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Democratic Operative Takes on McCain's Age

Despite a recent promise from Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean not to make Sen. John McCain's age -- he turns 72 in August -- an issue in the presidential campaign, a senior Democratic operative has started a new website designed to draw attention to just that fact.

Called "Younger than McCain", the website is being run by Steve Rosenthal, a former political director at the AFL-CIO and executive director of America Coming Together, a massive soft money effort organized around the 2004 presidential race. Rosenthal is now a partner in The Organizing Group.

The current content amounts to a 90-second video listing the things younger than McCain -- a list that includes the Golden Gate Bridge, plutonium, Coke in a can and Velcro among many, many other things.

"John McCain comes from another time, an old war-horse stuck in the past with an old-world view of things," said Rosenthal. "Our videos -- hopefully in a funny way -- are aimed at pointing out just how old, out of touch and clueless he is."

Rosenthal said he and a "group of twenty-somethings" in his office put the original video together and are already at work on the next one.

The McCain campaign declined to comment on the video.

The video comes on the heels of comments made by Rep. Jack Murtha (D-Pa.) yesterday that McCain is too old to be president. "This one guy running is about as old as me," Murtha, 75, told a group of union members in Washington yesterday. "Let me tell you something, it's no old man's job."

Murtha was introducing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), who he has endorsed, at the union gathering. Clinton did not address Murtha's comments.

If elected, McCain would be the oldest person elected to a first term to the White House. He has insisted his age is a non-issue in the campaign -- pointing out that his mother, Roberta, is alive and well at age 96.

If Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) is the Democratic nominee, McCain will be nearly three decades his senior. While Democrats shy away from discussing strategy about McCain's age, they clearly believe that the difference between the two men will be readily apparent to voters and will accrue to their benefit with an electorate pining for change.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 17, 2008; 3:05 PM ET
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Yeah -- vote for Obama -- he's got great judgement -- hangs with raging racists and unrepentent terrorists -- and con men -- but hey, we don't want guilt by association -- so we'll just call McCain "Bush Three." By the way, why isn't anyone writing about Obama's 2006 earmark to the University of Chicago Hospital, where his wife works, and which reeived a million big ones. After they got the money, his wife got a two hundred thousand dollar salary increase. Journalists of old -- real journalists -- would be looking into that instead of riding on the Obama express. But at the Post, journalism is dead.

Posted by: molliet2 | April 21, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Democrat and Hillary Clinton supporter. My father was a Democratic precinct chairman and worked hard for the Democratic party for many years. He ran a successful real estate business, selling farms and ranches in Central Texas. He is 89 now, a World War II hero who made it possible for jerks who enjoy mocking older Americans to show their ignorance. He is smarter and more relevant than most "twenty-somethings" could ever hope to be. Rosenthal's website belittling John McCain because of his age is an insult to all older Americans and he could not get away with doing the same thing to Hillary because she is a woman or Barack Obama because of his race. Yet, he and some bloggers here think age is fair game. It's a sad statement when you look at how older people in other cultures are revered and looked to for wisdom because they have seen and endured more than their children and grandchildren, but here, subsequent generations think they are oh-so-much smarter. In America, the aged are mocked and ignored and thrown away like old tin cans. Rosenthal's group thinks he is only hurting John McCain's chances of winning, when in reality, the tasteless website denegrating a person because of age is an insult to seniors of every political persuasion. It's scary to think of how little some in my generation (I'm 58 and and Rosenthal is 55, I believe) values those who made it possible for all of us to have the good life we enjoy here in the U.S. We lampoon those who sacrificed for us. Perhaps that is why we are now in a decline as a nation. This pervasive lack of respect will come back to haunt those who embrace it. People like Rosenthal at the helm of our party activities are why we didn't win the presidency last time and looks like we're going to lose it again for the same reason. Trashing older voters is lame and demonstrates who is really out of touch.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

To old he is not. He is sharp and with age comes wisdom. What next you are to old if you were born before the internet?

Posted by: John | April 19, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

what is the differnence is saying
"McCain is OLD." and saying
"Hillary is a WOMAN." or
"Obama is BLACK." ??????
each saying is AWFUL!!

Posted by: jae | April 19, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Ah,the party of "inclusion" strikes again. Discrimination takes many forms...If Obama were Republican would they dare to a "Blacker Than" video?

Posted by: Mike. P | April 19, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Looks like it ok for the Dems to discriminate based on age, as long as its not a black man or woman. The party of unity and respect indeed.

Posted by: Rockon | April 19, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

When did respect for your elders fly out the window? I'm 33 and this "McCain is old" crap is really pissing me off. I'm not even a big McCain supporter, but it's ridiculous! Sometimes we do need to listen to older people...they are the ones with experience. But, no I guess the big thing is to laugh at them.
I dare any one of you smart-ass 20 somethings to go up to your grandparents & mock them for being old.

Posted by: Lisa | April 19, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

You may be right but we the people are still listening to FM radio,

Posted by: dave | April 19, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Keep it up, it will be us old guys who elect McCain to office.

Posted by: Norm | April 19, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Of course he is too old! EVERYONE knows that old people are useless. We young people have had enough of you clueless old farts telling us whats right and wrong. Its us young people that really understand how the world works.

Posted by: Danny Dirk | April 18, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that age discrimination? So much for the all inclusive democrats. May I ask whom else is tool old to hold their jobs? Self righteous idiots!

Posted by: Randy kunkle | April 18, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't care for McCain because I think he's a bit too daffy and left-wing to be a good Republican.

But I prefer an old geezer who's been around the block a few times, to an inexperienced clueless numbnuts who doesn't know the capital gains tax from a submarine sandwich, and who has deep long-term ties to Farrakhan's mangier clone to go with his inherent and intense dislike toward whitey, and who obviously holds little regard for America in general.

The article states:

"If Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) is the Democratic nominee, McCain will be nearly three decades his senior."

Good. Maybe as his 30-year senior, he won't be as much of an out-and-out moron; not to mention the unconscionable extremist Obama is, in his callowness and ignorance.

Posted by: HereBeJohnny | April 18, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Check sources. Hillary and Bill too are older than the time FM became widespread.

Posted by: Don | April 18, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys...FM was developed in 1933. McCain was born in 1936. Another Democrat inventing the internet or at least facts.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I love it! It so blatantly expresses Democrats true disdain for anything old. They tried the same tactics against Ronald Reagan. That worked out really well, didn't it President Mondale?

Other old things Democrats disdain: The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Pledge of Allegiance, representative government, the rule of law, the separation of powers, the flag, religion, and all the other traditions and institutions (all much older than John McCain) that make this country great -- in other words all the things that stand in the way of the Socialist State that is the "Change" they believe in.

Posted by: Age and Wisdom | April 18, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I am happy to see Democrats disparaging McCain based on his age. I believe this will align a lot of the elder generation to vote for the able Senator from Arizona if for no other reason than self defense.

Posted by: John Walker | April 18, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Try this one on - McCain has more experience! As a matter of fact - decades more.

Obama is younger than common sense too. Obama has no experience - he emphasizes age and McCain will throw back experience.

This is a non-starter.

Obama is going to lose. Period.

Posted by: Robert NYC | April 18, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Grrrr... I'm a Democrat (trust me)

However, I agree that this is sooooooooo lame!!! Come on, it's embarrassing how lame this is! This may have been a political blow in the 50's - but this generation expects more than a Bill Nye the Science Guy motif on what's older than something else.

Where's the senile gaffs that shows he's at the early stages of dementia?

Whatever... Lose another one Dems - I give up

Posted by: Sarah | April 18, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

That was lame... With all that money at hand to make an attack ad and this is the best you can do??

Posted by: Joe | April 18, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I love it. The Party of Race, Gender and Age Politics has nothing on President to be McCain. "He's old"...good job guys. It's why you are, and will continue to be, the red headed stepchildren of politics. Keep pedaling your socialism with a smile ideas and biting each others backs while President to be McCain continues to be the adult in the room.

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."

-- Barack Obama

Posted by: Hugh | April 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

@N Waff

I won't refute that liberals engage in many of the same tactics that politics use, but you negate your own point with that post. If that's not hate, it's definitely contempt.

And remind me again which party slandered its current candidate right out of a race with its "whisper campaign" about an illegitimate black baby? Or has prominent figures within its ranks whose pure raison-d'etre seems to be to spew vitriol and hate (Limbaugh, Coulter, et al)?

Posted by: Josh | April 18, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The core of being a liberal is to show hate and contempt for those with a different viewpoint - except if you're a politican, then you let the private sector inflict this ulgy attacks while the politican remain teflon clean.

Posted by: N Waff | April 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is older than the ban on lawn darts.

John McCain is older than facial moisturizers for men.

John McCain is not only older than Chuck Norris, he's older than karate.

John McCain is older than the Milky Way Galaxy.

John McCain is older than the "health bars" in my desk that my wife thinks I eat instead of breakfast tacos.

John McCain is older than his mother.

John McCain is older than his wife's " family" recipes.

John McCain is older than the concept of burning corn while leaving oil in the ground.

John McCain is older than Global Warming AND Global Cooling.

John McCain is younger than light rail, but older than paying over $1 billion for a few miles of it.

John McCain is so old he was born when Moby was a minnow.

John McCain is so old he was born when the Dead Sea was just getting sick.

John McCain is so old that when he was born, Obama's neighbor and donor William Ayers hadn't tried to kill anyone with a bomb yet.

When John McCain was born, Hamas hadn't yet been founded, nor praised Barack Obama.

When John McCain was born, the flag pins that Obama called "a substitute for true patriotism" had forty-eight stars. (Much like the flags at this year's Democratic convention will have, as Michigan and Florida will not be recognized.)

When John McCain was born, it was legal to own a gun in the District of Columbia.

John McCain was born in those long ago days when if you went into church, you could count on the pastor saying "God bless America!"

When John McCain was born, any first ladies visiting Bosnia would have been dodging sniper fire in the "Kingdom of Yugoslavia."

When John McCain was born, Americans in small towns had only been clinging to religion and guns for about a century and a half.

When John McCain was a toddler, the national average tax on a gallon of gasoline was under four cents.

When John McCain was born, no one feared that former president Herbert Hoover would embrace a leader of a terrorist organization. (Interestingly enough, this is partially because in 1936 Hoover was the only living former president.)

John McCain is so old that when he was born most Democrats actually liked America.

John McCain is so old that when he was born there was no United Nations and we didn't even have to pretend to care what other nations thought.

John McCain is so old that in the year he was born, the first TV signal was transmitted into space and is now almost 72 light-years from Earth.

John McCain is so old that when he was born, there were still living survivors of the Civil War.

John McCain is so old, that his first drink of water came when he banged two buckets of hydrogen into a bucket of oxygen and invented the stuff!

(He was subsequently honored for his creation of mud, but that came some time later, as dirt was not invented until he was in High School.)

John McCain is so old that his high school graduating class could read at a 12th grade level.

John McCain is so old he remembers when Jack Murtha was still a loyal Marine.

...he actually remembers the Alamo.

...he once courted Calamity Jane. Okay, he was really drunk at the time.

Finally, John McCain is so old that he can remember when Democrats had a sense of humor...

just like we Republicans still do.

Posted by: FredTownWard | April 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

There are screams of bloody murder whenever even illusions of sexism or racism come up, but the LEADER of the democrat party can start things like this with narry a wisp of complaint. Imagine if the Leader of the RNC said something to the same effect regarding females or African Amarican (maybe Muslem.)

Posted by: David | April 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

He's older than all the Baby Boomers and the TV networks as well, but he isn't older than me, so as an octogenarian who won't vote for him, I have to make the case that his age isn't the reason:

Posted by: Robert Stein | April 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

A lot of things have happened since Hillary was born and a lot of things before. McCain has experience the socialists haven't had.
Some of us remnember that socialism hasn't worked.Elitist keep thinking they can make it or imply so to buy votes.

Posted by: Jack Kinch (1uncle) | April 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Wisdom beats knowledge, and with age comes that wisdom..there are of course exceptions take Mr Murtha for example, who fantasizes about medals never earned and atrocities never committed...maybe the pork has plugged up his brain arteries.

Posted by: ViperAsh50 | April 18, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Should we really have a president that wears diapers? Seriously....

Posted by: seriously | April 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Actually, rather than this website, what is truly funny are the tired tactics of the Democrat Party in resorting to ad hominem attacks on their Republican opponents over things like age. They seem genetically incapable of comprehending how fundamentally smart, fair and good the American people are - a people who would only be turned off by attacks of this nature. It is the Republican ace in the hole that Democrats will never understand the counter-productive nature of their political tactics. Keep it up. I'd like to see Republicans (preferably Conservative ones) retain the White House for the next hundred years.

Posted by: LoonsToTheLeftOfMe | April 18, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

First, I'd like to thank LoonsToTheLeftOfMe for their post as it was absolutely correct. The Democrat party can't debate Republicans or conservatives on the issues so they resort to personal attacks. By the way, has anyone seen that Hamas has endorsed Osama Obama? It's true. Anyway....I see that the dolt that produced this video didn't have the smarts enough to debate McCain on the issues (hence my original point) so he had to resort to a low blow on McCain's age. It won't work Dems! When Obama starts showing the American people even more of himself and what his policies would be as president (socialism, Marxism, and fascism), McCain will have a cake walk into the White House.

Posted by: DemsAreFascists | April 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

What scares me the most if the weight of American Jewry (a la Rosenthal) whose forefathers escaped Germany and Hitler, Russia and Stalin, only to come to the USA and rain down upon us Stalinism in the name a liberalism to tear apart the USA and sell out every institution and everything that made America proud and thankful. To speak about it is to be accused of anti-semetism, but in reality it seems to show why the Jews were slaughtered like cattle. The gay life style, the drive-by news media and the ACLU and anti-Christianism all seems to have a Jewish name attached to the original efforts....everywhere and anywhere ! Whereas there is no shame and no patriotism on that side when it comes to America's rapid decline. Can anyone defend this cause and claim it is not so?

It's okay for Michael Savage to say it and Mark Levin to name names like smucky Schumer, but nobody else can say it?

Posted by: Don form NJ | April 18, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

You Dems are truly pathetic. You know you can't beat even a "moderate" Republican like McCain on the merits of your arguments, so you're going to attack him on his age. I really feel sorry for your dearth of intellectual firepower. Recall that Jimmy Carter attacked Ronald Reagan on the "age issue", and Carter got thumped. The Socialists Clinton and Obama won't have any better luck, especially as they tear each other to pieces. I can't wait for the implosion at the Dem Convention.

Posted by: LoonsToTheLeftOfMe | April 18, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Us old people vote and will vote McCain while DEmocrat Party punks just snort coCain...e

Posted by: fred | April 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone look more senile and stupid that Barack Obama when he was asked about capital gains tax? Talk about crap in the pants. He was stuttering and drooling. He was totally clueless. Hey, I got an idea, let's put him in charge! Not - he is so 8track on the economy! He is the disco era of taxes! Barack Obama, hanging with 1960s radicals, and McCain is old???

Grow up democrats. Let the grownups take control of the wheel. Obama has been driving your yellow submarine, but he is a cartoon character. He doesn't know squat about capital gains taxes and blabbers when asked about taxes, and then cries because someone actually asked him a question.

Barack Obama acts like he has Alzheimers.

Posted by: MattM | April 18, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The democrats really the gutter politicians. After all of their whining about Charlie Gibson, they are going after McCain's age? What a bunch of idiots. Heck, it will work great here. A democrat is retiring, and his replacement democrat is an old man. His republican opponent is a young republican. Pick up a congressional seat for Republicans!

Posted by: Karen | April 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey, man, that's waaaay cool, how you refer to FM radio... like, WoW! Your use of such a metaphor makes you also seem old and outdated. Perhaps you should be put out to pasture too? The more I think about it, the better that sounds. Then you could smoke all the weed you want without having an influence on anyone. Not that you have any influence now. Toke-it, man!

Posted by: myron | April 18, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Completely disregarding any association with his age, McCain seems to have little grasp on the platform that he's currently running. When asked on the campaign what his positions are, he responds that he has to check with his advisers - or glibly responds that he'll have to check the record. He has difficulty identifying the sect of Islam which constitutes Al-Qaeda. He repeatedly has stated that Iran is training Al-Qaeda operatives when that country is actively arming Shi'ite militias to combat the Sunni Al-Qaeda - only to be corrected (multiple times) ... and when people describe his greatest assets, they are supposedly his straightforwardness and his expertise on national security issues?

I don't care if McCain's 91, much less 71. What worries me is that he seems unfamiliar with his own platform - the ideologies and policies of which he's supposed to be representative. If you can't simply and frankly identify issues on which you are supposedly a policy maven, that IS a problem - even if you are some "dumb twentysomething."

Posted by: Josh | April 18, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I like old people. That's one of the problems of the USA (at least the media machine that tries to sway the public, i.e. Hollywood) They are afraid of age....and's a good thing McCain isn't old AND fat....can you imagine the panic the Democratic party would be in?! Oi!!

I think old is a good thing. (I'm not old, yet! But I sure hope people treat me nicer when I am!!)

Posted by: Izzy | April 18, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

It may be that Democrats behind this are right, the voters will look at McCain's age, long service, immense experience, and decide not to vote for the green kid with NO experience at all.

As for Murtha, I hereby propose term limits, or at the very least, mandatory retirement for Congress, at age 65. I read that they've been trying to oust Byrd, 90, from his position, with no luck. Mandatory retirement would flood the Congress with many new members, which certainly wouldn't be any worse than what's there now. Murtha can be the first to go, second, Reid, third, Pelosi, fourth, Durbin etc.

Posted by: lorry1 | April 18, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I think we should have a " funny web site" about the different shades of blackness that BO has. It would be strickly for fun and laughs. Get with the program folks age discrimation is as bad as race discrimation. As a senior I resent the liberals saying that seniors are incapable of polical leadership. We do have the experience and dedication. Personally if they want to make age an issue then they can kiss my vote goodbye. And seniors do vote. I also feel that if they treat us as second class citizens now it will be worse after the elections. Kindest Regards Joe

Posted by: Joe Bean | April 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey, give me a mature person any day. McCain has everything we need as a "Commander in Chief" he is not a bickerer. Just the straight line express.
The boys lost me early on in the debate(?) with silly non presidential questions.

Posted by: Dick West | April 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

All this hate speech about Sen McCain is hardly what I'd expect from that great uniter Obama-messiah!

Posted by: Tom JOnes | April 18, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

McCain is more trustworty, honorable and capable of handling the office of the President than either of the democrat candidates. This clear attempt at discrimination due to his age is disgraceful, but democrats are very comfortable with anything that disgraces the USA including our soldiers and anyone or anything honorable.

You cannot trust Hillary as she continually lies to gain favor with her current and prospective followers. Even half of the democrats are finally aware she is using the same spin and tell you anything you want to hear tactics as her lying spouse used to be so good at.

Obama has direct long term associations with an anti-American, anti-white so called Church and Pastor. Additionaly some if his direct supporters are under investigation for extortion and more i.e. Rezko and Governor Blagoyevich.

I am from Illinois and I can tell you the only reason we have a democrat Governor and Senators is because of Chicago. Everyone downstate knows they are crooks and would prefer to recall them and replace them. Hopefully they pass the bill giving the people the power to do so very soon.

Posted by: PD | April 18, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

to jime. the democrats have run the goverment for over 50 yrs. they have about bankrupted the country with entitlements since the 60's and 70's they have spent well over a 100 trillion american dollars on entitlements. i loved the so called great pactrick moynahan in the 70's when they passed medicare and medicaid. " this bill i project will only cost the taxpayers 30billion over its life span". i believe he was of by about several trillion dollars. social security was for working americans not undocumented aliens who just stumble into the country get a ss# then move back to mexico. these are just a few of your so called democratic leadership.

Posted by: carl6352 | April 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

In my culture, older men/women are not only held at a higher level, but, venerated! As a member of the Odawa(ottawa) nation our elders are nessessary to pass on the language and customs, the very roots of our culture! John McCain is a respected warrior and leader. Obama is not even a warrior, but, a talker who has a slick talk but, no background, and we don't even know for sure WHAT is true about Hildabeast! I myself remember buying a VW made in Germany, that had three FM buttons on the radio, but they didn't seem to get anything and nobody could tell me what FM was, until my high school electronics shop teacher told us about it one day. I guess I must be ready for the SOILANT GREEN machine!!!

Posted by: RangerRon | April 18, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Democratic controlled Congress' approval rating?

23% and falling fast. Please keep up the negative rhetoric.

Posted by: maxziel | April 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

As a previous posted indicated, the folks who actually go to the polls and vote are the ones who count and "older voters" don't care for the implication by some slimy
dummycrat that they are "too old". They also turn out in the highest numbers. Such attacks will also remind older folks how little Obama has of anything except vapor ware.

Posted by: Dick Tuck | April 18, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

i am calling on all seniors to boycott the democratic party. in there zeal they have become hypocrite's and vermon. being old is not a handicap like this vile person states. it shows the true nature of the democrats. they are a disgusting group of liberal groups who will do anything to win. i believe you call them the not so vast leftwing conspiracy

Posted by: carl6352 | April 18, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Older than FM? So is the socialist New Deal legislation that Dems still worship.

Posted by: Bookman | April 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

He may be old, but his mother is alive so he can't be that old

Posted by: Mike | April 18, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Well, if the Democrats want to attack McCain's age, I think that's political suicide. About 50% of all Americans are over 50 years old, and they tend to vote more than younger voters. They have gray hair, and remember Vietnam. An attack on McCain for being old will be perceived by a huge percentage of the voting population as an attack on them: you're too old to contribute - you're senile - your brain is faltering because you're too old. Does anyone think that older Americans will not react to that negatively?

Posted by: Eric | April 18, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

in fact, i am older than TELEVISION!!!
at only 66!

Posted by: jae | April 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Ever notice how Democrats defend any trait or quality that is basis for a "discrimination" charge? Like racism, until the Clintons need to attack Obama; like the "rich", unless their first name is Mark or we see Hillary's tax returns; like terrorists, until Bill pardons them or Barack is on a board of directors with them; and now of course, age, with John McCain. Your New Democrat Party - We Don't Stand for Anything,,,er,except Hypocrisy. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Tom | April 18, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Looks as if ageism is alive an well in the Democrat Party. Given that seniors vote in much larger numbers than the young, it's an unwise tactic.

Posted by: Kevin Groenhagen | April 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

i'm only 66 and i am older than FM what????

Posted by: jae | April 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

So much for turning away from the "politics of personal destruction" which Democrats where decrying a few years ago.

Posted by: David | April 18, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

WoW! Can you say "The Demcrats are tapped out on McCain?" This is the first time in my short life that Democrats have had to resort to negative ageism hits. HAte to say it, but these boys at DNC have some serious problems. They've got Congress, very visible candidates, and they are running like they can't win.

Posted by: jacklantyrn356 | April 18, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Yup, Ol' John is too old....
Obama is too black....
Hillary is too female....
Why don't we just combine them all and then we can vote for Harriet Tubman....

Posted by: Hypocracy | April 18, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"Why, yes, our guy worships at a Black Panther church and hangs out with terrorists but, YOUR guy is older."

Posted by: Dimslie | April 18, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain may be old but he will defeat either of those two losers - HANDILY!

Posted by: Peggy | April 18, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

wow... the democrats are actually making me seriously consider voting for mcqueeg, my personal choice for the most loathesome man in washington, eight years running. good work, dems. keep running with this ageism bit. it's going to work wonders... really.

Posted by: baltazar | April 18, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"...Instead of calling Democrats Libs and just writing moronic stuff,tell us how you,Conservative Republicans,have made this country better than it was 8 years ago? Or better yet,explain anything that has ever come from a Con Washington that has benefitted this country as a whole,not the select few.

If you don't/can't reply it's understandable. It's the Republican mantra.
Distract from our failures..."

It's easy...the Dems/Libs job is to progress forward. The Rep/Cons job is to hold back that progress until the Dems/Libs think about the repurcussions of their actions, and refine their ideas until they can get them right.

Then they (both sides of the debate)continue insulting anyone who disagrees with them, as "old", "moronic", "unpatriotic" etc.

More politics as usual.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I love Howard Dean, he is the perfect democrat. A great big jackass!

Keep it up Howard.

Posted by: Ken | April 18, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

The 20 somethings know all about saving the world? Right!
I'm not older than FM radio...though I think I'm older than velcro. And I'm not sure who the hell I'm voting for yet. But I do remember Jimmy Carter. He was a promising candidate, who planned on changing Washington. He was a "political outsider" who knew he could make "change".

That was a fiasco. Anyone who was there will have second thoughts about a "political outsider" with relatively little experience.

What's the choice...older than dirt, or dumber than a box of hammers? Help us!

Posted by: Rob in mo | April 18, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Let the twenty somethings have their laugh. We old dinosaurs will be dead and gone while these young whipper snappers will be paying the bill for all of Obama "changes". They won't even be able to snap their whippers. Tax on.

Posted by: Allan | April 18, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

McCain's age is fair game, sure.

But when the leader of your party says "We're not going to make an issue of his age", and then party activists like Rosenthal and Abscam Jack Murtha make an issue of his age, then Dean looks like (a) a liar; (b) an incompetent rube who can't control his own party; or (c) all of the above.

Posted by: crushliberalism | April 18, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Are there any creative "grown ups" working for the Democrats these days? Or has there messaging become so weak, spoofing McCains age is all they have. That's what happens when ones political discourse can't rise above MTV.

Posted by: Mike Q | April 18, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

it is becoming apparent that when the Democrats have to attack Mr. McCain on his age, they are scared to discuss the real issues.

Issues such as: Raising Taxes on small businesses and the REAL middle Class, Socialized Medicine, Surrender in the world fight against terror, Liberal judges that release child molesters back into society, Eighth month Abortions, Confiscation of guns from HONEST Citizens...

Mr. Dean can NOT make the leftist Democratic Platform become the focus of the election... he HAS to have his pit bulls discuss AGE!


Posted by: Howard Ino | April 18, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I have never seen more discrimination than in the democratic party. Now its Age discrimination. Why would I be suprised.

Posted by: John | April 18, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Think this has touched a nerve with the R's. Haha. Welcome to politics, kiddies.

Now, I expect you to go denounce the rumor-mongering that Obama is a Muslim, a Jew, a Black Panther, not really black, a bomb-throwing terrorist, and a pacifist. None of which are true, of course.

What, you're okay with those if they advance the cause of four more wars and more and deeper tax cuts for billionaires? Well, I'm okay with pointing out that McCain is an old man, and doesn't seem as sharp as he used to be. And that he occasionally shakes his fist and yells at passing clouds:

Posted by: novamatt | April 18, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

McCain joked he was oldr than dirt, if Democrats think ads like the above, with Gen-Xers saying "dude, McCain is like, OLD" is smart politics, they're dumber than dirt.

Posted by: Stan | April 18, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

you know the dems are worried, attacking someone on their age.
next it will be gender, race and sexual orientation!

Posted by: shadyal | April 18, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

McCain is 10 years younger than the Pope and 4 years younger than Ted Kennedy.

What we are all suffering from right now is candidate fatigue. We are just seeing too much from these two cobras, circling each other in a ritualistic fatal dance to political and social final death.

Cobras will use any and all tricks available to beat the other ivy-leaguer - Yale v Harvard v Naval Academy.

Go American - Go Navy Go McCain!

Posted by: alance | April 18, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

And McCain's mother could bowl better than a 37!

Posted by: Dan | April 18, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse

Yep, he's old. He's old enough to remember that, when someone challenged you on your age, you did it man to man, not hidden away behind a 527 ad.

Steven Rosenthal's name will be forgotten to history, as will the idiot 'narrators' on that ad.

But, at least John McCain gave 5 years of his life for them to BE that stupid and callow.

While the grave markers of the two 'narrators' won't even be remarked upon by the generations to come, there'll still be books written - and read - about John McCain.

Good luck with the infamy, kiddies! No one will remember your name.

A serviceman in Iraq, and proud to be here.

Posted by: A Serviceman in Iraq | April 18, 2008 5:34 AM | Report abuse

From the "vast" number of qualified nominees the Democrats could have gone with, they spend two years and millions to wind up with these losers...Obama and Hillary! The Democrats can forget about the '08 elections! Either one will no doubt be a major drag on down-line party candidates! McCain will become our next President and will make us proud!

Posted by: TRS | April 18, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm a moderate Democrat if any one needs a lable. I have no concern over McCains age. In fact I've always thought America misses out by being so ageist or sexist. It seems those are okay to report on, make fun of. He comes from a family of very strong genes whose family members live longer than most.

I'm actually more concerned with Sen. Obama and his age and naivity and he's my age. But I don't mock age or see it as a hinderance but rather wisdom. Although age in itself doesn't necessarily mean you have more wisdom. It's what you learn from life and your experiences, whether you learn from the mistakes we all make or not. What you think and where you stand on the issues and policy. There is no guarantee that just because you are younger you'll live longer, none at all.

The Press say it is "Democratic operatives", but the Press and Media are much more responsible for this bigotry than most people. They assume we all think the same or assume their mocking or bashing like that done by Obama's supporters is how we all think. It isn't.

Posted by: Pam | April 18, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

Howie Dean and his dimwitcrats. Don't you just love the morons on the left.

Posted by: Willy B. | April 18, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

FormerDemocratfromYoungstown: Obama has been deceptive and Omissive from the moment he opened his mouth. His verbals and non-verbals do not correlate. The recent revelation of his $26K contribution to Reverend Wright, his wife's comment about not being proud of this country, are in part fulfilling of the axiom "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Neither Hillary of Obama are a good move for us during the most dangerous period in American history, brough to you by the folks who had the helm on the "Road to 9/11".

Posted by: vincenzo4 | April 18, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

This is nothing more than blatant age discrimination and an overt tell of exactly what negative trash the democrats do NOT have against McCain. Secondly the comment is very, very revealing of the inbred hypocrisy of the democrats. I stopped voting democrat long ago. The terrorist bloodshed of the 1990s which were concurrent restrictions against the intelligence community and the Chinese contributions to the DNC were enough for me.

Posted by: vincenzo4 | April 18, 2008 5:16 AM | Report abuse

Experience is better than education, and there was a time in America when elders were respected.

Obama is like the pied piper. He is a silver tounged smoothie, who makes you feel good. However, if you are a bitter, middle class person, who clings to guns and God, you may not like him.

Finally, think about all the "good" things that have been realized in this country by graduates of Harvard and Columbia, compared to those who served in the military?

If abortion is ok, why not euthanization? Get rid of old farts like Mcain, so that the young can do their thing.

"Obama for president-he'll tax every resident!"

Posted by: A former Democrat from Youngstown, OH | April 18, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

Funny, young people are so smart these days. They know exactly what this county needs. In fact, we should practice euthanasia at the age of, oh I don't know, how about 50?
Do you know that the human brains frontal lobe isn't fully developed until the age of 20, and doesn't fully have the ability to comprehend risk until the age of 25.

Posted by: Gerry | April 18, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Whats the new cutoff age for office?

How old is Ron Paul?

Posted by: Sands | April 18, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

These left wing hypocrites are unbelievable. IT'S ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON AGE!! THEY passed the law. Now THEY are going to use that argument to try to win an election. The fact that they are too stupid to see this is reason enough not to vote for them.

Posted by: Tom | April 18, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what Murtha or a group of democratic operatives think

Posted by: James | April 18, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Steven Rosenthal of course is the "former" CEO of know defunct ACT or "America Coming Together" (a Democratic voting operation) which was fined $750,000 by the FEC in 2004. Rosenthal has also played a large part in the labor wing of the Democratic party. All of this of course receives some funding (allegedly) by the Shadow Party, George Soros, et al.

Another name to look into would be Tom Lindenfeld who is second in command of The Organizing Group. Mr. Lindenfeld has an extensive history of having worked for Democratic candidates and campaigns.

All told this ageist "viral" video is clearly tied to the Democratic party in some fashion and is the beginning of their desperate campaign leading to the November election.

Mr. Rosenthal is 55 years old.

Posted by: GR | April 18, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

From my limited personal data base I must conclude that older is better. While I am two wars older than McCain I am aware that I know far more than than my grandchildren and great grandchildren. Alas, they all seem to have shamed me by getting "A's" while mine is a record of mere B's and C's.

Posted by: Don Hirschberg | April 18, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

To Jimie:

Your little self has been safe for 8 years, thanks to the service of my Son and all our very brave Soldiers.

That's how YOU have benefitted and even though you you think that is just a nice coincidence, that is precisely why the American people will once again nominate a Republican for President! They really do not want to return to the days of the Dems and Clinton, where Americans were being killed all over the world and Clinton just ignored it! Don't you folks ever wonder what was in those documents Sandy Berger stole from the American people. Weak men, those Democratic leaders!

Safe since 9/11, thanks President Bush, The Commanders on the ground, and our Brave and Tough Soldiers!

Posted by: Beverly | April 18, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

hmmm... just maybe the old saying about repeating history comes into play. I'm sure the "twenty somethings" remember about the reality of wars.... respect your seniors is what I was taught...

Posted by: Dan | April 18, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

John Murtha is running for re-election and he is older than Senator McCain! I agree, John Murtha is too old and we can no longer afford his pork barrel projects, Marine bashing and Code Pink loving ways anymore! What a vile man who sold out his Brothers for his own political gain! It makes me sick to see him even mouth the name McCain, who never asked anyone for the medals he has! Murtha sure loves medals because he asked for the ones he has, and I wonder if he asked Code Pink for the medals they gave him that he proudly acknowledges!

The Very Proud Mother of One Tough Soldier!

Posted by: Beverly | April 18, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Instead of calling Democrats Libs and just writing moronic stuff,tell us how you,Conservative Republicans,have made this country better than it was 8 years ago? Or better yet,explain anything that has ever come from a Con Washington that has benefitted this country as a whole,not the select few.

If you don't/can't reply it's understandable. It's the Republican mantra.
Distract from our failures.

Posted by: jime | April 18, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

If McCain is too old, then Obama is too young. That leaves us with Hilary. I won't say what she is.

Posted by: JimS (age 43) | April 18, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

We need CHANGE! We don't need some old fart who fought against communism. We need the new Democrats to deliver communismk to the US. The time is now for Government monopoly on health care and the time is now to sieze not only the profits of the Oil Companies but the companies themselves. No one can redistribute the wealth better than Democrats. All the OLD people still believe in private property and individual freedom. They haven't been raised by the village and just don't get it. The time for change is now. Vote for an Obama Nation.

Posted by: worddust | April 18, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Here's McCain addressing the age issue:

It's the video that put my doubts about his age to rest.

"Thanks for the question, you little jerk."

Love it.

Posted by: PaulinDC | April 18, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

This is horrible. Age discrimination is a real thing. If a video were made urging people to not vote for Hillary because of her gender,or Obama because of his race it would be denounced as the ignorant garbage it is. But we can urge voters to not vote for a man because of his age, ok. Age is protected under the Civil Rights Act right alongside race and gender. Clearly, this ad has nothing to do with the only issue to be legitimately influenced by his age, his VP pick, so it must be trying to make some allusion to the stereotype that all old people are senile and unable to think straight. Run ads criticizing his legislation and policy positions, not a difficult feat. Not something like his age.

Posted by: Randy | April 17, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I dunno... just as we have one of the hugest aging populations the nation has ever seen, are the Dems really going to make fun of age as a clever tactic? Heh. Go for it, guys.

Posted by: MnemonicMike | April 17, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

You libs are so lost up your own azzholes you can't see any light. :)

Posted by: Barry | April 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is older than INTERNET.

Posted by: Hypocrite | April 17, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I dislike John McCain intensely, and think it's kind of funny that there are a bunch of things younger than him, but this advertisement did step over the line. I mean, no one is talking about John McCain 'cause he's old? That's just not true, and now we're actually doing a meta-meta thing by talking about him because he is old.

I don't understand why someone would want to take on the task of the presidency at 72, I know plenty of 72 year olds who would be perfectly capable of doing so. And, if we did some kind of actuarial analysis, my guess is that McCain might come out to have a longer life expectancy than the ex-smoker who is my candidate of choice. And Hillary, well, we expect her to live forever, no?

Posted by: bj | April 17, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"Younger than McCain" the jeep and the ballpoint pen. LOL! Funny yet scary. He needs to release his medical records. His POW status may mean PTSD - a very real possiblity. I'm concerned the combination of his age, health (mental and physical)and the additional stress of two wars - with PTSD is very scary indeed.

Posted by: marcie | April 17, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

What does any of this have to do with the real problems of our society, like the price of arugula at Whole Foods Market?

Posted by: Barry | April 17, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Copyright Reverend Irving Wright with twenty years of Amens from Barry Obama

While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us repudiate a land that's so called free,
Let us all be hateful for a land that's so called fair,
As we raise our bitter voices in a solemn prayer.

God Da-mn America,
Land that I loathe.
Stand astride her, yet despise her
With a chip on a shoulder from above.
From the plantations, up to Harvard
To the Jews rich from our blood
God Da-am America, keepin' us down down down.

Posted by: Howard Icky | April 17, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Those republicans are so nasty they will probably imply that Obama resembles a chimpanzee.

Posted by: Fred Muggs | April 17, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

ah, but Bill45, the Democrat enacted the laws that brought us the H1-B visa - you, know, the one hi-tech companies use to hire cheap Indian and Chinese indentured servants after firing their older workers. And workers with family's...usually with a sick child or spouse becasue the company is "self insured" amd periodically combs their medical claims reconrds, fring workers with higher than "acceptable" claim amounts. Oh, and did I mention that it was DEMOCRATS that legalized this, that passed that gaping hole in HIPPA? The problem is, the Republican's are all in bed with the oil industry snakes while the Democrats are just as much in bed with the even scummier hi tech corporations. Just tell yourself how lucky you and and your children are. You get a front row seat, watching the implosion of an entire country. If you don't starve to death or get killed in the ensuing riots, you might even live long enough to reach John McCain's age.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | April 17, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Now that rural America has been 'dissed'- might as well 'dis' another huge voting block- the over 60 crowd- it doesn't get any dumber- good luck Dems!

Posted by: midnightson | April 17, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The capacity of Democrats to shoot themselves in both feet never ceases to amuse and bewilder. Now, this bunch is publicly advocating discrimination against a man just because of his age. There is a winning strategy.

The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (Pub. L. 90-202) ("ADEA") provides:

"The Congress hereby finds and declares that-

(1) ... older workers find themselves disadvantaged in their efforts to retain employment, and especially to regain employment when displaced from jobs;

(2) the setting of arbitrary age limits regardless of potential for
job performance has become a common practice, and certain otherwise
desirable practices may work to the disadvantage of older persons......

It is therefore the purpose of this chapter to promote employment of older persons based on their ability rather than age; to prohibit arbitrary age discrimination in employment; to help employers and workers find ways of meeting problems arising from the impact of age on employment...

... (a) It shall be unlawful for an employer- (1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual or otherwise discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's age..."

Posted by: Bill45 | April 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Murtha is dumb as a rock and has been involved in enough scandals that any politician with brains would avoid him like the plague. McCain, if older, but my 87 year old father is older still and has more wisdom and a sharper mind than both Clinton and Obama put together. What bother me about the reporting of late is to the sheer number of voters who simply gave up in disgust on Obama over his "bitter" remarks. All I have read is spin, repeated attempts to couch what he said in "acceptable" terms (and they are experimenting with those...the *)^@#$! explanations change every day). If nothing else, John McCain is both sharper and one heck of a lot more honest than any other Republican or Democart I have ever heard of. As we enter into the new age, the slow motion collapse of the United State and the end American dream, a little honesty might be a good idea.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | April 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Ju, you are putting us on, right?
I mean.......

Posted by: BillyC | April 17, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

1) Murtha should go ahead and resign if he thinks age is an perse negative issue for holding office. Murtha imagining that others over 70 might be inept just because Murtha has long ago burned out his brian-to-mouth circuitry is to laugh.

2) Give me a smart and experienced 70+++ year old ANY DAY over a wise-ass know it all 20 something. (Been a 20 something wise-ass know it all so I speak with experience in these matters. ;-)

3) L_O_V_E_! liberals / democrats trying to balance hitting McCain on age while trying to retain their liberal purity and A.C.L.U. membership in good standing. Oh yes, I forgot, the liberals are the original "end justifies the means" people.


Posted by: BillyC | April 17, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"We cant miss Obama. He could walk into an Al Queda country club, play nine holes and have everyone listening to him."

More nuttiness from the lunatic fringe. Did it ever occur to you libs that "Al Queda" doesn't want to hear us talk or watch us sink a putt? They want us to die.

Why anyone would base their vote on this liberal notion of some universal unity and goodwill stemming from the election of a half-black guy is beyond me. It is projection on a global scale.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 17, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain is too old period. The president must represent the country as a whole and a 72 year old president does not. If he wins and then wins again in 2012 and is still alive at the end of that term hobbling and what not he would be nearly 80. That says that the United states is controlled by old white men. I'm sorry, but that message will get us hurt again like 911. Other countries are watching this election waiting for us to elect the wrong guy again like W and then strike. We missed Gore and paid the price. We cant miss Obama. He could walk into an Al Queda country club, play nine holes and have everyone listening to him. That's what we need is someone to start global dialogue again. McCain will not be able to do that for more reasons than his age.

Posted by: Ju | April 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Dave! - it is much more straighforward than you think. eliminate the drindl beast and the problem evaporates. Examine the blogs from earlier this week when her ugliness was not present. a perfectly normal and insightful blog. why punish everyone for the idiocy of a single person. Rufas and che have gone, there is only one moron left. and its name is drindl - or :

Posted by: | April 17, 2008 4:43 PM

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

bsimon - Thanks. I do recall that day and that being the CW of why it occured. That said, the WaPo is supposed to be on the near cutting edge of information dissemination technology. It has deep pockets. I don't think we are dealing with bleeding edge technology here so my thought was that this may have been a concious decision on someones part. Like I said, I have not received a decent response from CC as to what the deal is, if there are plans to try to revert, if this is how it's going to be or confirmation of the actual problem. Just trying to see if someone does have this info. There are people that run successful blogs all over the place with logins. Technically, is should not be that hard to do.

Posted by: Dave! | April 17, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Something about a scavenger vulture feeding off the maggot-ridden carcus of a jackal really brings the whole drindl thing into focus. the jackal, of course, fed on a steady diet of bush bashing for the last 7 years. but the poison killed its host, as poison usually does.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Poor drindl, all her jackals have abandonded her and she is too old and fat to hunt on her own.

she is left with recycled jokes, cut and pastes and potty humor.

nothing to scavenge from the hate sites today drindl? why are those vultures circling your house?

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

When is that moron going to get off his white pimply as* and get a job?

Posted by: Mrs. Zouk | April 17, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Uh ... me, neither. I think your point is that Hef would make a good running mate, since McDubya is looking for a successful businessman younger than him."

How about Methuselah?

Posted by: Frank | April 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

CC- fix your site! This is pathetic.

Posted by: Lee | April 17, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

the confusion is starting again. Who am I?

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Interesting that the Pope is one year younger than Hugh Hefner, yet I don't hear the twenty-somethings harping about that. "

Uh ... me, neither. I think your point is that Hef would make a good running mate, since McDubya is looking for a successful businessman younger than him.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 17, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Can I be drindl and not drindl at the same time?

anything to battle that pesky zouk.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

CC: please fix this stupid site.

Posted by: not not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I would describe baghdad bob liechtman as "beyond the fringe".

A famous Nazi was asked how he knew the war was going bad, despite the propoganda.

'When our glorious victories kept getting closer and closer to Berlin'

hillary, take note.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

RAT-the: typical classy con.

Posted by: Twat did you say? | April 17, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

and roaring in, straight out of left field...

'Interesting that the Pope is one year younger than Hugh Hefner, yet I don't hear the twenty-somethings harping about that.'

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

zouk himself is hilarious. unintentionally, of course.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Dave! asks
"Did I miss or does anybody have any insight as to why this site changed login rules a few weeks back?"

One day the site was broken for a couple hours - it just stopped accepting posts. When it came back, it had reverted to the anon system (as it is today). It seems to me that something broke in the new system, so they reverted to the old system in order to keep the blogs open for commenting.

Posted by: bsimon | April 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"It seems to me that the quality of posts have deteriorated significantly since then and impostering is on the rise."

I agree. While occasionally the posts are hilarious (zouk's "not drindl"), the unintended consequence is that many of those on the fringe are going to hide behind "I didn't post that" when it comes time to eat crow (does that make you a cannibal, leichtman? CAW CAW!).

Posted by: bondjedi | April 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I find it a lot more amusing when all these self-important twats are distracted from their pompous blather and forced to bemoan the encroachment on their anonymous Internet egos. ;-)

Posted by: RAT-the | April 17, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that the Pope is one year younger than Hugh Hefner, yet I don't hear the twenty-somethings harping about that.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 17, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

what a pathetic waste of a pathetic wife.

mr drindl

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

what a pathetic waste of a pathetic life.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the quality of posts have deteriorated significantly since then and impostering is on the rise.

Posted by: Dave! | April 17, 2008 4:15 PM

Only when drindl is here. the past few days were drindl free and quite informative.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss or does anybody have any insight as to why this site changed login rules a few weeks back? I have emailed CC and not gotten a decent response as to why posters are not ID'ed automaticall by their email name and why anonymous posting has been allowed again. It seems to me that the quality of posts have deteriorated significantly since then and impostering is on the rise.

Posted by: Dave! | April 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

You know things have not been going well for Barack Obama when his most enthusiastic MSM cheerleader (well, after Chris Matthews and his "tingling leg"), Maureen Dowd writes this on the morning before the debate: Behind closed doors in San Francisco, elitism's epicenter, Barack Obama showed his elitism, attributing the emotional, spiritual and cultural values of working-class, "lunch pail" Pennsylvanians to economic woes.

Obama sez
"Look, I am the one all of these folks and myself have been waiting for!
...and, I know something that all you bitter rural, religious, gun-toting folks don't know. And I meant that in a good way."

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Claudia dear. I am sorry for the incident last night. I will try to get a refill on the blue pills. In the meantime can I come home. the band members are getting sick of me sleeping on the couch after we carry the equipment home.

but I thought you always liked the dress-up games. I will lay off the make-up from now on. but can I keep the dress?


Mr drindl

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

and drindl is the typical left wing, hating loon.

some stereotypes are effective.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

drindl, stop confusing us with your husband. although I am sure he is used to your torment, in public, it is considered rude to talk to people that way.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama's grandmother is a "typical white person." McCain is a "typical old person." Half the people who live in Pennsylvania are "typical working class people" who cling to their religion out of bitterness.

For being the champions of diversity, the Democratic party is doing a lot of stereotyping this year.

Posted by: Mike R. | April 17, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

LOL at you, pathetic little impotent clown.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

'In 2005, Charlie Black, currently a chief strategist to Senator John McCain, wrote a pair of letters to federal officials aggressively defending Wayne Drizin, a convicted felon, disbarred lawyer, and failed brothel owner with substantial business ties to the controversial Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi.'

Black is one of the sleaziest, shadiest con artists in DC. .. and this is who McCain chooses to advise him. Questionable judgment. Black also lobbys for the Saudi princes who fund al-queda. OH yea, and several murderous dictators.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who disagrees with my chardonnay and brie SF attitude is mentally ill and is clinging to god and guns out of desperation and depair. all your views can be discounted or even cured by the medical profession.

We know that if only you were properly "re-educated" you would find the liberal lifestyle proper. you can't help it that the system has failed you. We are really smart and are going to fix this.

Posted by: Barack drindl | April 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

the war is good, what's 2000 dead americans? -- Cons in '06

the war is good, what's 3000 dead americans? -- Cons in '07

the war is good, what's 4000 dead americans?
-- Cons in '08

the war is bad, we must get out now!
-- Cons in '09 (post-election)

Posted by: war is good | April 17, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

'NEW YORK ( -- A pair of lawmakers on Thursday urged Congress to move forward with legislation aimed at remedying what they view as questionable practices of the credit card industry that keep consumers mired in debt.

Speaking before a panel of the House Financial Services committee, Senator Carl Levin, D-Mich. and Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., urged action as Americans face rising unemployment and sluggishness in the overall U.S. economy.

"If this is going to be resolved, it has to be resolved here in Congress," said Levin.

The credit card industry has come under fire from lawmakers in recent months for what some critics have labeled "unfair" practices such as raising interest rates on debt even when consumers pay on time or when their credit scores change.'

Go Dems! Go after the thieving thugs.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

novamatt - "Dave!, unlike the Republicans, the Democrats really don't coordinate efforts."

Please. Dean may have numerous faults, but knowing what is going on in his party as well as working to focus the "Democratic message" are two of his strengths. Both Dean and Obama have a good measure of control. They certainly appear to be ok not exerting it.

"Politics ain't beanbag. We slug each other in the face and other body parts for the next six and a half months, then we pick ourselves up, shake hands, and get back to business. That's politics."

I agree that it's politics (not Obama politics mind you). I didn't say it wasn't fair or allowed, I implied it wasn't funny or accurate or intelligent. Remember this line of yours the next time something comes up about one of Obama's friends...

Posted by: Dave! | April 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I love it! A new member of our club!

Posted by: Fozzie | April 17, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Dean and Obama have no more control of their own warped fantasyland reality in their own heads than you either. But that hasn't stopped them from trying.


Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

''not anyone' is of course drindl, the hate filled lying venom spewing liberal with no sense of shame or class. '

you're hilarious, zouk--for chrissake, get a f*cking life... you're freaking mentally ill. i feel sorry for you -- it must be hard being such a loser.

Posted by: drindl | April 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Predictable. Right-wingers don't know what to make of the Change thing - either Obama is naive for being an idealist, or idealism means giving a creeky old goat like McBush a free pass for his laundry list of flaws.

Speak up, wing-nuts - is idealism silly, or should we leave it in there for you to cling to when the kid gloves come off? I know, I know - Coulter/Rush/Hannity promised you that Obama is like Kerry and Gore, and won't shove back to your Swiftboating. Maybe, but his supporters will.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Dave!. what are they going to do - debate issues? how does this sound to you:

I promise to raise taxes, lose a war, spend like crazy, appear weak and intimidated to our enemeies, renege on our allies, create a giant government, did I say spend, well spend more.

Or you could instead say your adversary is old.

Pick one.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

the war is bad because of the deaths - Libs in 06

the war is bad because of the lack of political progress - Libs in 07

the war is bad because it costs so much - Libs in 08

the war is bad because we lost the election - libs in 09

Posted by: war is bad | April 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The McCain age thing will resolve itself. He will be debating with Obama, raise his hand, and say, "Excuse me, can I go to the head? I'm about to crap my pants."

Posted by: Dummy McDummington | April 17, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Dave! writes
"Twenty somethings need to come to the realization that the world does not revolve around them and that they don't have all the answers."

Dave, while I agree, I think the statement also holds true for Boomers.

Posted by: bsimon | April 17, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Dave!, unlike the Republicans, the Democrats really don't coordinate efforts. Dean and Obama have no more control in reality of these groups than you or I do. And I really think Dean and Obama are, deep down, okay with that. Not that they would say so.

Politics ain't beanbag. We slug each other in the face and other body parts for the next six and a half months, then we pick ourselves up, shake hands, and get back to business. That's politics.

Posted by: novamatt | April 17, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha. That gave the Chief a good laugh!

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | April 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain being a dinosaur should put him at the forefront of solving the climate crisis we face. Perhaps he has brought along enough fossil fuels to get us out of Iraq and end our addiction to foreign oil. Or perhaps he has been around long enough and has seen enough changes since the Pre-Cambrian age to know that we need to move on to other sources at this point. He wouldn't want us burning the sacred remnants of his relatives.

Posted by: trmasonic | April 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

bsimon, CC is a little unclear above, but ACT is gone. This is The Organizing Group. Sounds like a meeting planner outfit, doesn't it?

Posted by: novamatt | April 17, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

CC: Explain to me how the whole topic of this blog (Democratic Operative Takes on McCain's Age) fits in with your concluding paragraph - "While Democrats shy away from discussing strategy about McCain's age..."? This either shows Howard Dean has no clout or he is a lying sack of spit.

"This one guy running is about as old as me," Murtha, 75, told a group of union members in Washington yesterday. "Let me tell you something, it's no old man's job."

When exactly was the Murtha presidency? I must have missed that nightmare. How would he know thing one about being president - he doesn't know thing one about being a Congressman.

"Our videos -- hopefully in a funny way -- are aimed at pointing out just how old, out of touch and clueless he is."

Histerical. I would venture to say that few people would stop using Coke in a can, Velcro or the Golden Gate Bridge simply because they are old. Which of them is past their prime? Mocking people because they are old(er) is not funny. Is this what goes as creativity by Dems? Twenty somethings need to come to the realization that the world does not revolve around them and that they don't have all the answers.

Posted by: Dave! | April 17, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

'not anyone' is of course drindl, the hate filled lying venom spewing liberal with no sense of shame or class. she can't even fill in her own name on an anonymous blog, even when we all know exactly who it is. I would think after passing grade school with the points gathered for spelling your name right only, you would be used to it by now.

But instead, she makes her living gathering lies and propoganda from hate sites like Kos, Nation, Huff, media matters and the like and then treating the rest of us to this vile diet of filth.

Facts hold no sway over this harpie. Rational arguments are vain. Only the most myasmic swill is a part of it's world.

but day by day, the truth comes out and drindl is marginalized. Her heros lose elections when they matter and if a Lib ever does manage to win, they don't do anything in office. but this pitiful creature soldiers on, spreading the bad word everywhere she isn't banned for foul mouthed commentary.

Posted by: not drindl | April 17, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

'America Coming Together' is apparently trying to emulate the old-time style of politics that both Chairman Dean and presumptive nominee Obama are trying to move away from. Even if ACT isn't an official party organization, why expose their 'side' to charges of hypocracy? I don't expect it to happen, but it would be nice of Dean & Obama would publicly chastise such groups.

Posted by: bsimon | April 17, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

As the Republicans keep reminding us when we complain about the whispers about Obama's religion, etc.: all is fair in love and war and politics. Obama himself likely won't be talking about McCain's age, but everyone else certainly will.

Ageist? Sure. Smart politics? On balance, yes. If Obama's past associations are an issue, so too should be McCain's present and future ability to associate names with faces and facts with issues, and his ability to keep up with the rigors of a job that visibly aged the relatively young Clinton and Bush Jr.

Posted by: novamatt | April 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

'not drindl' is of course zouk, who has such an enormous obssession with me. It's not surprising he has to rely on someone he will never meet [thank god] to vent the emptiness, frustration and utter pointlessness of his pathetic existence, but I truly pity him.

Well, this war is going by badly and so expensively -- even republicans are starting to wake up. I guess it must be a little hard to defend to folks back home when people here can't pay for their kid's education or health care or retirement, yet we can spend yet another $108 BILLION on 'reconstruction' for a country dripping with oil riches --- billions and billions -- whose leaders are simply putting into their pockets.

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House defended its $108 billion request for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on Wednesday, only to be upbraided by senators in both parties for taking a hard line against efforts to add money for domestic programs.
At a sometimes combative Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, White House budget director Jim Nussle chided lawmakers for a "sky-is-the-limit mind-set" regarding "the desire of some in Congress to load up this troop funding bill with tens of billions in additional spending."
Democrats and Republicans alike questioned why U.S. taxpayers should provide an additional $2.9 billion for reconstruction efforts in Iraq at the same time the Iraqi government's coffers are overflowing with revenues because of record oil prices.

"Here is a country that's making billions of dollars at our expense and yet we pay for their reconstruction," said Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii.

"I'm going to have a very difficult time going home and telling the people of Idaho that we're going to spend their money while Iraqi money is drawing interest in some bank somewhere in the world," said Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho.

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., noted reports of rampant waste and corruption in Iraqi government ministries and suggested that the Iraqi government match any U.S. reconstruction funds provided in the upcoming war funding bill.

"The Iraqi government has been grotesquely irresponsible with the money we've given them," Gregg said.'

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

House and Senate Democratic leaders gathered today to tout new data from the Joint Economic Committee (illustrated in these charts) that breaks down spending on Iraq in a number of increments -- $434 million per day, $3 billion per week and $13.2 billion per month.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

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