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Democrats Carry Big Generic Ballot Lead


House Democrats appear poised to gain 20 or more seats in tomorrow's election. Washington Post photo

On the eve of the 2008 election, House Democrats enjoy their largest lead since 1980 in Gallup's generic ballot question -- a sign of the toxicity of the national environment for Republicans and the opportunity available for Democrats to elect a large governing majority tomorrow.

When Gallup asked likely voters which party's congressional candidate -- no names are given, hence "generic ballot" -- they would choose if the election were held today, 53 percent opted for the Democratic candidate while 41 percent chose the Republican candidate. Among registered voters the gap was even wider with 54 percent choosing the Democratic candidate and 39 percent choosing the GOP candidate.

The last time Gallup showed such a wide Democratic general ballot edge was back in 1980. But in that year the party's edge was wiped away by the top of the ticket dynamics. Ronald Reagan scored a convincing double-digit margin over Jimmy Carter and Republicans picked up 33 seats in the House despite the fact that Democrats won more than 51 percent of the overall Congressional vote.

In 1992, Democrats entered election day with a 10-point edge in the generic ballot and this time the top of the ticket did not disappoint as Bill Clinton defeated George H.W. Bush to claim the White House. Republicans picked up 10 House seats, however, even as Democrats won roughly 53 percent of the total national vote for Congress.

Are Democrats headed for a similarly disappointing result this time around?

Perhaps not, according to Gallup pollsters Lydia Saad, Frank Newport and Jeffrey M. Jones. In a memo detailing their generic ballot findings, they write:

"Given their 12-point advantage among likely voters on the generic ballot, and the fact that their presidential candidate appears poised to win the election by a large margin, it appears that the Democrats could be on the verge of a major gain in U.S. House seats."

That is, because Gallup's models predict a major win for Obama at the top of the ticket it seems likely that the generic ballot will serve as more dependable predictor of what will happen in the House tomorrow.

(For what it's worth, The Fix pegged Democrats' gains in the House at 30 seats in our Crystal Ball Contest ballot.)

What does this mean for tomorrow? The generic ballot -- as evidenced by the data above -- should not be taken as a direct correlation to the numbers of seats that Democrats can or will pick up tomorrow. Voters in targeted congressional districts don't vote for a generic Democratic or Republican candidate -- they vote for the actual people who bring their own positives and negatives to the ballot that can't be judged by the generic ballot. (For more on the generic ballot question and its strengths and weaknesses check out this Pew report from earlier this decade.)

But, the generic ballot question does usually capture the general attitudes that voters carry about the two parties -- attitudes that inform their vote even if they don't decide it.

So, if Gallup is to be believed, Democrats sit in the driver's seat with just one day left in the campaign.

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 3, 2008; 11:50 AM ET
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It is awesome that some hard core republicans are tired of... REPUBLICANS!!!

http://www.greenfaucet.com/politics/win-back-the-party-by-losing-the-election/81372

Posted by: macebruce | November 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse


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If there was a white Presidential candidate who was found to be a member of a racist church, same as the Rev. Wright's church except substitute "white values" for "black values" and visa vera, THE MEDIA WOULD BE IN TOTAL ATTACK MODE AGAINST THAT WHITE CANDIDATE.


OBAMA IS A RACIST - OBAMA GAVE $20,000.00 TO A RACIST CHURCH IN ONE YEAR.


YOU CALL THAT JUDGEMENT ???


Washington Post - there are a lot of Churches in Chicago which are black and which are not racist - Obama did not have to give $20,000.00 to this one Church - STOP GIVING OBAMA A PASS ON HIS RACISM AGAINST WHITES.


WAKE UP WASHINGTON POST WAKE UP MEDIA.


WAKE UP AMERICA.


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Exactly right he's racist. Just listen to Irreverend Wrong, his pastor for many, many years.


Exactly right he's socialist. Just listen to him admit it to Joe the Plumber, or his interviews in the past.


Exactly right he's a rotten human being. Just look at his abortion voting record.


Exactly right he has questionable judgment. Just look at his associations with people in his past.


Exactly right he's corrupt. Just look at the Rezko land deal.


Exactly right he's a liar. Just look at what he says about taxes vs. how he's actually voted.


Exactly right he has no executive experience. Just look at his resume -- or lack thereof.


Exactly right he's secretive. Just look at his lack of birth certificate, SAT scores, grades, etc. etc., etc.


Exactly right he'll be challenged in his first 6 months of office if elected. Just look at what he says about meeting unconditionally with world leaders.


We cannot be SERIOUS about electing this guy!! Obama in charge of nukes?! What. The.


Sorry George Washington, we messed everything up.


We stopped demanding the best people in the White House.


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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 4, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 4, 2008 4:47 AM | Report abuse

Many of the posts herein suggest that a large segment of the Amerikan pop-ewe-lation are ignorant and simplistic... and damn proud of it too! No population on earth is as manipulated and clueless as the Amerikans. Sad... but true. And I'm talking to ewe... yahoo!

McCain (a.k.a.: the "capitalist $on of Cain") has a super $ecret cancer stewing in the poo bowels. If he is somehow $ellected by Amerika's corrupt $ellectoral college voting $ystem, he won't last long. The $on of Cain will have to resign from the oval orifice after three months, and the Pentecostal vahinahh (and EX-beauty queen) from Alaska will become the next President of corp-rat fascist Amerika.

Better listen up yahoos! WHERE THERE IS NO INSIGHT, THE PEOPLE PERISH! Yeah! I'm talkin' to ewe folks!

Posted by: oldcoyoteknose | November 4, 2008 4:32 AM | Report abuse

TIN SOLDIER OBAMA'S COMING- COAL PLANTS ARE ON THEIR OWN- BANKRUPT- YOU CAN HEAR THE DRUMMING- ALL DEAD IN O-HI-O!!!

Posted by: thecannula | November 3, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

HUSEIN OBAMA DOESN'T KNOW ONE THING:AMERICANS DON'T CHANGE PLANES OR(PARTIES) WHEN AMERICA IS IN TIME OF WAR WITH THE OSAMA BIN LADEN...VOTE FOR AMERICAN CAPTAIN JOHN MC CAIN AND SARAH PALIN!!!!

Posted by: kendreik | November 3, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a Freeloader


$150,000 shopping sprees (at all the best "elitist" shops, no less), on the Republican National Committee tab.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html
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$21,012 worth of free flights for her daughters, charged to the state of Alaska.
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http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/22/alaska_paid_for_palin_daughters_to_travel/
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All this, when she already makes $125,000 a year as governor and pockets an extra $22,883 in energy extraction royalties.


Palin is a chisler supreme.


All of which makes the fact that she charged $16,951 in expenses charged to the state, including 312 per diem allowances for staying in her own home just that much more amazing.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html
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A dual income family, with Sarah earning $125K. Free travel (even for the family), and now free clothes, hair and makeup. They can actually go out in her backyard and shoot a moose, keeping her family in free mooseburger for a year. And still she feels the need to cheat. Shoot that moose for free and still charge the state $60 per burger. And she claims she deserves every bit of it.


Now that's what I call a perverse sense of entitlement.


"Sounds like socialism to me," to borrow a phrase.


Just another fake "bootstrapper" Republican. What a shocker.


Meanwhile, we all have to endure the indignity of Palin turning the campaign for the Vice Presidency into some kind of FOX reality TV makeover show, where they take some ridiculously not-ready-for-prime-time pol and dress her up, push her out on the stage, and see if they can turn her into a VP in 10 weeks.


What the f^ck, right? It's just being second in line to the nuclear launch codes. No big thing. We could even do a whole co-promotional deal with moose sandwiches at Subway.


Thanks, Republicans. You sure do love our country n' stuff and goodluck to you in your newly minted 4th party gadfly status starting in 2009.
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Posted by: DrainYou | November 3, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse


John Mccain says we will bring home our soldiers from Iraq with honor and victory. This ill waged war has killed so many, how may more have to die for old mens ego's?


http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/wmdiniraqwasalie.jpg

Posted by: popasmoke | November 3, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICA'S ECONOMIC TROUBLES!
McCain in April 08 declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and economic adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, is back with the McCain campaign full time again.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay. McCain doesn't understand our tanking economy because it doesn't affect him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek3jAkx9m10

The $100 Million Man
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.

The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.

The Anheuser-Busch Windfall
While John McCain played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: DrainYou | November 3, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Our economy is structurally sound for the long term"
*George W Bush - Feb 11, 2008


"The American people can remain confident in the soundness and the resilience of our financial system"
*Henry Paulson - Sept 15, 2008


"The economy is fundamentally sound"
*Herbert Hoover - October, 1931


"The fundamentals of our economy are strong"
*John McCain - Sept 15, 2008
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McCain does not have the ability to fix this economic crisis. After declaring the fundamentals of the economy strong, he created a political circus in Washington by mucking up bailout negotiations; a deplorable campaign stunt, considering he and his political cronies helped cause the current meltdown.


It was McCain and his economic adviser Phil Gramm who pushed for the deregulation that helped lead to the banking crisis, and it was McCain's crony Rick Davis who had deep lobbyist ties to Freddie Mac. Don't let others be fooled by McCain's economic grandstanding because the reality is his policies and principles will only exacerbate our financial hardships.


McCain is being deceitful with his sudden populist message and support for regulation; his economic policies still favor our nation's wealthy elite.
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Posted by: DrainYou | November 3, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"Our economy is structurally sound for the long term"
*George W Bush - Feb 11, 2008


"The American people can remain confident in the soundness and the resilience of our financial system"
*Henry Paulson - Sept 15, 2008


"The economy is fundamentally sound"
*Herbert Hoover - October, 1931


"The fundamentals of our economy are strong"
*John McCain - Sept 15, 2008
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg
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McCain does not have the ability to fix this economic crisis. After declaring the fundamentals of the economy strong, he created a political circus in Washington by mucking up bailout negotiations; a deplorable campaign stunt, considering he and his political cronies helped cause the current meltdown.


It was McCain and his economic adviser Phil Gramm who pushed for the deregulation that helped lead to the banking crisis, and it was McCain's crony Rick Davis who had deep lobbyist ties to Freddie Mac. Don't let others be fooled by McCain's economic grandstanding because the reality is his policies and principles will only exacerbate our financial hardships.


McCain is being deceitful with his sudden populist message and support for regulation; his economic policies still favor our nation's wealthy elite.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
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Posted by: DrainYou | November 3, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain knows all about bailing out rich bankers and screwing over middle class and poor people, he's been doing it for years.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzDEbVFcg8
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*McCain - Founding Member of the Keating 5


McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.


Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)


McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."


McCain was not convicted of any crimes, though the Senate concluded that he exercised "poor judgment." (Furthermore, he got off on some charges by a technicality -- that he was still in the House when he took those vacation trips, and so the Senate couldn't prosecute him. The House concluded that THEY couldn't prosecute him because he had moved to the Senate.)


Here's some mavericky straight talk, my friends:
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http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
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Posted by: DrainYou | November 3, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

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If there was a white Presidential candidate who was found to be a member of a racist church, same as the Rev. Wright's church except substitute "white values" for "black values" and visa vera, THE MEDIA WOULD BE IN TOTAL ATTACK MODE AGAINST THAT WHITE CANDIDATE.


OBAMA IS A RACIST - OBAMA GAVE $20,000.00 TO A RACIST CHURCH IN ONE YEAR.


YOU CALL THAT JUDGEMENT ???


Washington Post - there are a lot of Churches in Chicago which are black and which are not racist - Obama did not have to give $20,000.00 to this one Church - STOP GIVING OBAMA A PASS ON HIS RACISM AGAINST WHITES.


WAKE UP WASHINGTON POST WAKE UP MEDIA.


WAKE UP AMERICA.


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Exactly right he's racist. Just listen to Irreverend Wrong, his pastor for many, many years.


Exactly right he's socialist. Just listen to him admit it to Joe the Plumber, or his interviews in the past.


Exactly right he's a rotten human being. Just look at his abortion voting record.


Exactly right he has questionable judgment. Just look at his associations with people in his past.


Exactly right he's corrupt. Just look at the Rezko land deal.


Exactly right he's a liar. Just look at what he says about taxes vs. how he's actually voted.


Exactly right he has no executive experience. Just look at his resume -- or lack thereof.


Exactly right he's secretive. Just look at his lack of birth certificate, SAT scores, grades, etc. etc., etc.


Exactly right he'll be challenged in his first 6 months of office if elected. Just look at what he says about meeting unconditionally with world leaders.


We cannot be SERIOUS about electing this guy!! Obama in charge of nukes?! What. The.


Sorry George Washington, we messed everything up.


We stopped demanding the best people in the White House.


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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

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Make Your Final Decision After Reading One Of The Top 5 Political Blogs Of The Election Of 2008


Bookmark It Now 37th and O Street


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Bookmark It Now 37th and O Street


http://www.myspace.com/37thandostreet


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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

REPS. (like Gov. Huckabee) ARE PANDERING TO WEALTHY WHEN THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT SEN. OBAMA TAKING FROM RICH AND GIVING TO POOR. They should not be pandering to wealthy if they want to win.

* I suggest that they explain why over taxing and giving away free money to businesses and individual will hurt the middle class and poor --without calling middle class and poor blood suckers.

Posted by: lazerboy | November 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Everybody needs to keep their focus on elecrting a strong Democratic majority in congress or the Republicans will intentionally make Obama fail so they can take back the whitehouse in 2012.

One party rule by the Republicans created this mess.

Republicans blocking Democratic attempts to correct the damage sustained it.

Only the combination of a Democratic president and a strong Democratic majority in congress can fix it.

Vote for every Democrat you can.

Otherwise, the Republicans will simply block everything President Obama tries to do and thelly do their best to turn him from FDR or JFK into Jimmy Carter.

Republicans want to win at all costs.

They'll stop at nothing to do it.

Our challange is to defeat them without dropping to their level.

VOTE!!!!!

Posted by: svreader | November 3, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Everybody needs to keep their focus on elecrting a strong Democratic majority in congress or the Republicans will intentionally make Obama fail so they can take back the whitehouse in 2012.

One party rule by the Republicans created this mess.

Republicans blocking Democratic attempts to correct the damage sustained it.

Only the combination of a Democratic president and a strong Democratic majority in congress can fix it.

Vote for every Democrat you can.

Otherwise, the Republicans will simply block everything President Obama tries to do and thelly do their best to turn him from FDR or JFK into Jimmy Carter.

Republicans want to win at all costs.

They'll stop at nothing to do it.

Our challange is to defeat them without dropping to their level.

VOTE!!!!!

Posted by: svreader | November 3, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"http://www.hulu.com/watch/42024/saturday-night-live-countdown-with-keith-olbermann#s-p1-st-i1"

Ben Affleck playing Keith Olbermann on SNL. Hilarious (especially if you're like me and think Olbermann is an over-the-top blowhard)

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"1) Bill Clinton's 5.6-point win over President George H.W. Bush in 1992
2) George Bush's 7.7-point win over Michael Dukakis in 1988
3) Bill Clinton's 8.5-point win over Sen. Bob Dole in 1996
4) Ronald Reagan's 9.7-point victory over Jimmy Carter in 1980
5) Gen. Dwight Eisenhower's 10.9-point win over Adlai Stevenson in 1952
6) Barack Obama ‘s 11.6 point VICTORY over John McCain in 2008"

I don't think Obama is going to win by 11.6 points, but it is kind of amazing how well the two parties have positioned themselves that a ten point victory is so historically huge.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"http://www.hulu.com/watch/42024/saturday-night-live-countdown-with-keith-olbermann#s-p1-st-i1"

Ben Affleck playing Keith Olbermann on SNL. Hilarious (especially if you're like me and think Olbermann is an over-the-top blowhard)

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza in your electoral map it is no surprize that you would want to put CA, NV, Co, NM in Barack Obama's hands. Chris Cillizza we have been on these boards long enough to read about Barack Obama's racism against Hispanics. Obama does not even dispute this on his website or in public. And since this damaging information has been posted on your blog for as long as Obama has been running for president by chaos45i you have said nothing. It would not be because you and your paper are suppressing it. Just for the record. We all know you would not inform Hispanics if Obama won't. Anything for Obama to win. Right...

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker | November 3, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza in your electoral map it is no surprize that you would want to put CA, NV, Co, NM in Barack Obama's hands. Chris Cillizza we have been on these boards long enough to read about Barack Obama's racism against Hispanics. Obama does not even dispute this on his website or in public. And since this damaging information has been posted on your blog for as long as Obama has been running for president by chaos45i you have said nothing. It would not be because you and your paper are suppressing it. Just for the record. We all know you would not inform Hispanics if Obama won't. Anything for Obama to win. Right...

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker | November 3, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"1) Bill Clinton's 5.6-point win over President George H.W. Bush in 1992
2) George Bush's 7.7-point win over Michael Dukakis in 1988
3) Bill Clinton's 8.5-point win over Sen. Bob Dole in 1996
4) Ronald Reagan's 9.7-point victory over Jimmy Carter in 1980
5) Gen. Dwight Eisenhower's 10.9-point win over Adlai Stevenson in 1952
6) Barack Obama ‘s 11.6 point VICTORY over John McCain in 2008"

I don't think Obama is going to win by 11.6 points, but it is kind of amazing how well the two parties have positioned themselves that a ten point victory is so historically huge.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza in your electoral map it is no surprize that you would want to put CA, NV, Co, NM in Barack Obama's hands. Chris Cillizza we have been on these boards long enough to read about Barack Obama's racism against Hispanics. Obama does not even dispute this on his website or in public. And since this damaging information has been posted on your blog for as long as Obama has been running for president by chaos45i you have said nothing. It would not be because you and your paper are suppressing it. Just for the record. We all know you would not inform Hispanics if Obama won't. Anything for Obama to win. Right...

Posted by: TheoriginalMoniker | November 3, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Today's Republican party is a perfect example of another failed party in America -- the DONNER PARTY.

First, both parties began their journeys under incompetent, ignorant leadership.

Second, when they both encountered severe difficulty, they met it the same way denial and accusations of disloyalty.

Third, when unable to ignore failure further, they disentegrated into small groups and while a few sought help, most starved after cannibalism.

Fourth, neither party was ever able to recapture what their mistakes had taken from them.

So here we have the DONNERS incarnate. Kristol is whining, George Will is pouting and the leaders are sinking into well deserved anonymity. The party is far down the path to self consumption.
Just a friendly note: RUSH they always eat the FAT one first. Got diet pills?

Posted by: bgreen2224 | November 3, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Watching the current moves of the Republican party gives us all an incredible glimpse at American history.

The Republicans are behaving just like that early American failure, the-trying-to-go-west-too, DONNER PARTY. In fact, the Republicans of today exactly resemble the DONNERS of yesteryear How?
First, when both started out they were led by people who had absolutely no idea of where they were going.Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld and the neo-cons are the Donners reincarnate.Ignorance and incompetence walking hand in hand.
Second, when they realized they were in trouble (no foood and snow up to your butt is here equivalent to torture, failed war, failed energy policies, failed economy, etc) they both reacted the same way -- they denied it!
Third, outcome similar. Bogged down, turning on one another, a few going for help, but cannibalism breaking out and the resulting group barely resembling anything like they began.
Thus, we have today's Republican party, beginning to finger point, blame each other, Bill Kristol ducking and complaining, George Will pouting and all basically spiraling down into more and more hate. So be it.
But one final word to the wise -- Rush, with the DONNERS, the FAT ones got eaten first. Best dump a few pounds, chubby. Tried diet pills?

Posted by: bgreen2224 | November 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

In a venue that could hold 15,000. John Mccain drew only 800 today. This thing is winding down.

Posted by: popasmoke | November 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

In a venue that could hold 15,000. John Mccain drew only 800 today. This thing is winding down.

Posted by: popasmoke | November 3, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama will win by 11.6% popular vote margin over McCain.

Let us put this in some historical context.


1) Bill Clinton's 5.6-point win over President George H.W. Bush in 1992
2) George Bush's 7.7-point win over Michael Dukakis in 1988
3) Bill Clinton's 8.5-point win over Sen. Bob Dole in 1996
4) Ronald Reagan's 9.7-point victory over Jimmy Carter in 1980
5) Gen. Dwight Eisenhower's 10.9-point win over Adlai Stevenson in 1952
6) Barack Obama ‘s 11.6 point VICTORY over John McCain in 2008

BIGGEST POPULAR VOTE VICTORY MARGIN EVER RECORDED IN US HISTORY.

Posted by: YesWeCanForFREE | November 3, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

A lot of electioneering going on here ...

So forgive me if I say something directly related to Chris' note.

The aggregate preferences don't tell us much about actual outcomes for the reasons given, but also because how they are distributed among districts matter. Districts in the 2006 election varied from 383,000 to 948,000 around a mean of about 650,000. If Republicans tend to dominate smaller, more rural districts, this would give them an advantage in the House similar to that in the Senate.

Posted by: j2hess | November 3, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Democrats should not start popping open champaign bottles too soon. While Obama may be on the road to victory, I would not be surprised if voters who vote for Obama to go Republican in other elections due to the "one party rule" concept of power. Of course the Democrats will retain majorities in both chambers of Congress, I doubt they will reach 60 seats in the Senate and will not pick up more than 22 House seats, if that. Polls cannot predict voters' thoughts in the voting booth nor whether or not the youth vote will actually turn out. I'd be cautious in counting the chickens too soon.

Posted by: JLF03 | November 3, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Mason Dixon: NC McCain 49%, Obama 46%; OH McCain 47%, Obama 45%; MO McCain 47%, Obama 46%"

Too little, too late.

Too bad, so sad.

See you Wednesday zouk.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 3, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Democrats should not start popping open champaign bottles too soon. While Obama may be on the road to victory, I would not be surprised if voters who vote for Obama to go Republican in other elections due to the "one party rule" concept of power. Of course the Democrats will retain majorities in both chambers of Congress, I doubt they will reach 60 seats in the Senate and will not pick up more than 22 House seats, if that. Polls cannot predict voters' thoughts in the voting booth nor whether or not the youth vote will actually turn out. I'd be cautious in counting the chickens too soon.

Posted by: JLF03 | November 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

A lot of electioneering going on here ...

So forgive me if I say something directly related to Chris' note.

The aggregate preferences don't tell us much about actual outcomes for the reasons given, but also because how they are distributed among districts matter. Districts in the 2006 election varied from 383,000 to 948,000 around a mean of about 650,000. If Republicans tend to dominate smaller, more rural districts, this would give them an advantage in the House similar to that in the Senate.

Posted by: j2hess | November 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Zouk twirls:

Mason Dixon: NC McCain 49%, Obama 46%; OH McCain 47%, Obama 45%; MO McCain 47%, Obama 46%

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McCain can take OH, MO, and NC and it still gets him nowhere.

PA, VA, CO, NV, NM....all for Obama.

His strategy and superior ground game, acknowledged by Republican strategists as the best ever in American history, will win the day.

Posted by: wpost4112 | November 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

A lot of electioneering going on here ...

So forgive me if I say something directly related to Chris' note.

The aggregate preferences don't tell us much about actual outcomes for the reasons given, but also because how they are distributed among districts matter. Districts in the 2006 election varied from 383,000 to 948,000 around a mean of about 650,000. If Republicans tend to dominate smaller, more rural districts, this would give them an advantage in the House similar to that in the Senate.

Posted by: j2hess | November 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

adrienne_najjar - Don't go throwing the baby out with the bath water! Reagan was a decent President and an honest man. Moreover, at least half of his former cabinet is voting for Obama, and a llot of them have endorsed him. They, at least, know a good President when they see one. Washington and all of those lobbyests and money have a way of corrupting elected representatives and you may actually need another Reagan around some day to clean a mess our side creates.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 3, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama will win by 11.6% popular vote margin over McCain.

Let us put this in some historical context.


1) Bill Clinton's 5.6-point win over President George H.W. Bush in 1992
2) George Bush's 7.7-point win over Michael Dukakis in 1988
3) Bill Clinton's 8.5-point win over Sen. Bob Dole in 1996
4) Ronald Reagan's 9.7-point victory over Jimmy Carter in 1980
5) Gen. Dwight Eisenhower's 10.9-point win over Adlai Stevenson in 1952
6) Barack Obama ‘s 11.6 point VICTORY over John McCain in 2008

BIGGEST POPULAR VOTE VICTORY MARGIN EVER RECORDED IN US HISTORY.

Posted by: YesWeCanForFREE | November 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Democrats should not start popping open champaign bottles too soon. While Obama may be on the road to victory, I would not be surprised if voters who vote for Obama to go Republican in other elections due to the "one party rule" concept of power. Of course the Democrats will retain majorities in both chambers of Congress, I doubt they will reach 60 seats in the Senate and will not pick up more than 22 House seats, if that. Polls cannot predict voters' thoughts in the voting booth nor whether or not the youth vote will actually turn out. I'd be cautious in counting the chickens too soon.

Posted by: JLF03 | November 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Democrats should not start popping open champaign bottles too soon. While Obama may be on the road to victory, I would not be surprised if voters who vote for Obama to go Republican in other elections due to the "one party rule" concept of power. Of course the Democrats will retain majorities in both chambers of Congress, I doubt they will reach 60 seats in the Senate and will not pick up more than 22 House seats, if that. Polls cannot predict voters' thoughts in the voting booth nor whether or not the youth vote will actually turn out. I'd be cautious in counting the chickens too soon.

Posted by: JLF03 | November 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Mason Dixon: NC McCain 49%, Obama 46%; OH McCain 47%, Obama 45%; MO McCain 47%, Obama 46%"

Too little, too late.

Too bad, so sad.

See you Wednesday zouk.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Zouk twirls:

Mason Dixon: NC McCain 49%, Obama 46%; OH McCain 47%, Obama 45%; MO McCain 47%, Obama 46%

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McCain can take OH, MO, and NC and it still gets him nowhere.

PA, VA, CO, NV, NM....all for Obama.

His strategy and superior ground game, acknowledged by Republican strategists as the best ever in American history, will win the day.

Posted by: wpost4112 | November 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

adrienne_najjar - Don't go throwing the baby out with the bath water! Reagan was a decent President and an honest man. Moreover, at least half of his former cabinet is voting for Obama, and a llot of them have endorsed him. They, at least, know a good President when they see one. Washington and all of those lobbyests and money have a way of corrupting elected representatives and you may actually need another Reagan around some day to clean a mess our side creates.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 3, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain on Intrade ....below 10.

Posted by: wpost4112 | November 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Today's Republican party is a perfect example of another failed party in America -- the DONNER PARTY.

First, both parties began their journeys under incompetent, ignorant leadership.

Second, when they both encountered severe difficulty, they met it the same way denial and accusations of disloyalty.

Third, when unable to ignore failure further, they disentegrated into small groups and while a few sought help, most starved after cannibalism.

Fourth, neither party was ever able to recapture what their mistakes had taken from them.

So here we have the DONNERS incarnate. Kristol is whining, George Will is pouting and the leaders are sinking into well deserved anonymity. The party is far down the path to self consumption.
Just a friendly note: RUSH they always eat the FAT one first. Got diet pills?

Posted by: bgreen2224 | November 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

McCain on Intrade ....below 10.

Posted by: wpost4112 | November 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Mason Dixon: NC McCain 49%, Obama 46%; OH McCain 47%, Obama 45%; MO McCain 47%, Obama 46%

sanity begins to return. not a minute to soon. make that a day.

Q: how many embarrasing errors can the limp MSM make in a single election? how sad that they are now obsolete.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | November 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Socialism is not a 21st century idea; its “spread the wealth” concept is almost as old as recorded history. Tried big time in the 20th century, it crashed with the Soviet Union. Some people just didn’t get the memo."

Well, the only people who call Obama a socialist are Bush lovers. Given that they have the judgment track record of being...well, Bush lovers, I think we can safely say that Obama isn't taking us down that road.

The socialist line has been used since the summer. It hasn't worked. Are you really going to spend the last day of the election with a campaign line that has failed so miserably?

Of course, I guess a few months of a failed campaign policy is a step up from eight years of failed foreign and economic policy.

Bush lovers apparently are capable of learning. They are just a little behind the curve.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Watching the current moves of the Republican party gives us all an incredible glimpse at American history.

The Republicans are behaving just like that early American failure, the-trying-to-go-west-too, DONNER PARTY. In fact, the Republicans of today exactly resemble the DONNERS of yesteryear How?
First, when both started out they were led by people who had absolutely no idea of where they were going.Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld and the neo-cons are the Donners reincarnate.Ignorance and incompetence walking hand in hand.
Second, when they realized they were in trouble (no foood and snow up to your butt is here equivalent to torture, failed war, failed energy policies, failed economy, etc) they both reacted the same way -- they denied it!
Third, outcome similar. Bogged down, turning on one another, a few going for help, but cannibalism breaking out and the resulting group barely resembling anything like they began.
Thus, we have today's Republican party, beginning to finger point, blame each other, Bill Kristol ducking and complaining, George Will pouting and all basically spiraling down into more and more hate. So be it.
But one final word to the wise -- Rush, with the DONNERS, the FAT ones got eaten first. Best dump a few pounds, chubby. Tried diet pills?

Posted by: bgreen2224 | November 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

BillSwills pooped:

However, handing over the largest Capitalistic democracy in the world to an enigmatic Socialist with no experience managing anything would be very risky even if we were not at war on two fronts and experiencing a significant economic challenge.

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"enigmatic socialist with no experience managing anything...."

perfect descriptor of McCain.

except he has had experience managing something: his own campaign, the most-mismanaged Presidential campaign in American history.

No wonder top Republican politicians and business leaders are supporting Obama.

Posted by: wpost4112 | November 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Watching the current moves of the Republican party gives us all an incredible glimpse at American history.

The Republicans are behaving just like that early American failure, the-trying-to-go-west-too, DONNER PARTY. In fact, the Republicans of today exactly resemble the DONNERS of yesteryear How?
First, when both started out they were led by people who had absolutely no idea of where they were going.Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld and the neo-cons are the Donners reincarnate.Ignorance and incompetence walking hand in hand.
Second, when they realized they were in trouble (no foood and snow up to your butt is here equivalent to torture, failed war, failed energy policies, failed economy, etc) they both reacted the same way -- they denied it!
Third, outcome similar. Bogged down, turning on one another, a few going for help, but cannibalism breaking out and the resulting group barely resembling anything like they began.
Thus, we have today's Republican party, beginning to finger point, blame each other, Bill Kristol ducking and complaining, George Will pouting and all basically spiraling down into more and more hate. So be it.
But one final word to the wise -- Rush, with the DONNERS, the FAT ones got eaten first. Best dump a few pounds, chubby. Tried diet pills?

Posted by: bgreen2224 | November 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"And now, the end is near. It's time to face the final curtain."

Buh bye, Republicans. You screwed up big time.

Posted by: Brittman1 | November 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Bill in Sterling:

It appears that your cut buffer is overflowing. You've posted multiple times a response you already posted to the prior thread, where I responded to it.

Regarding your theological perspective on economics, I don't see the relationship. Religion belongs in churches, not in the public square.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"And now, the end is near. It's time to face the final curtain."

Buh bye, Republicans. You screwed up big time.

Posted by: Brittman1 | November 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"And now, the end is near. It's time to face the final curtain."

Buh bye, Republicans. You screwed up big time.

Posted by: Brittman1 | November 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Bill in Sterling:

It appears that your cut buffer is overflowing. You've posted multiple times a response you already posted to the prior thread, where I responded to it.

Regarding your theological perspective on economics, I don't see the relationship. Religion belongs in churches, not in the public square.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget."

Posted by: diana9 | November 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Goodbye republicans - enjoy your stay under your rocks!

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | November 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Charismatic leaders with a seemingly clear, at least to them, philosophy are a good thing, every church should have one.
However, handing over the largest Capitalistic democracy in the world to an enigmatic Socialist with no experience managing anything would be very risky even if we were not at war on two fronts and experiencing a significant economic challenge. Charismatic speeches will just help keep us feeling good as the country goes down the preverbal tube.
Recall that the root of the current economic problem is a now failed socialist experiment in putting people into houses they could not under normal conditions afford. The results of that experiment have been catastrophic, both for the subjects of the experiment and for the nation. “Change” in the form of an even broader socialistic experiment is just “double down” on the same bet we just lost.
Socialism is not a 21st century idea; its “spread the wealth” concept is almost as old as recorded history. Tried big time in the 20th century, it crashed with the Soviet Union. Some people just didn’t get the memo.

Posted by: BillMillsinSterlingVA | November 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

This is great!! This is payback for all those miserable years under Reagan, Bush Sr., and the current president nincompoop.

I hope you republicans enjoy your stay back under the rocks that you came from.

LOL!!!!

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | November 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1: Pretty symbolic theology. Is that the pitch from the new messiah? There was nothing in the bible I read about the real Messiah using “leverage”. That theory fits right in with an old joke we had in the world of project management. The planning chart showed all the easy stuff scheduled in detail, then leaped to completion through a block labeled “Then a miracle happens”.

In real life, if people get a windfall they didn’t have to work for the applicable theory is “easy come, easy go”.

In real life, the amount of money [bread and fishes] Obama claims he will have “the rich” render unto Caesar will not come close to having the promised affect. The search for more “seed” bread and fishes will broaden.

In real life, the capital pulled out of the economy [you do recall why it’s called “capitalism”] will squelch economic growth, resulting in the out-year harvest of bread and fishes going into a downward spiral.

In the real world, those corporate, capital gains, and dividend taxes the new messiah promises will eat whatever “seed” bread and fishes are still left after the above “economic miracle”.

Since no one will still fish, raise grain, or bake bread if someone just feeds them and punishes any attempt at betterment [read “privilege”], we had best hope your messiah can work with rocks. Mine expected that I use my talents [capital] to better myself. The tithe then expected to help the poor was a lot lower than my current taxes.

Posted by: BillMillsinSterlingVA | November 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1: Pretty symbolic theology. Is that the pitch from the new messiah? There was nothing in the bible I read about the real Messiah using “leverage”. That theory fits right in with an old joke we had in the world of project management. The planning chart showed all the easy stuff scheduled in detail, then leaped to completion through a block labeled “Then a miracle happens”.

In real life, if people get a windfall they didn’t have to work for the applicable theory is “easy come, easy go”.

In real life, the amount of money [bread and fishes] Obama claims he will have “the rich” render unto Caesar will not come close to having the promised affect. The search for more “seed” bread and fishes will broaden.

In real life, the capital pulled out of the economy [you do recall why it’s called “capitalism”] will squelch economic growth, resulting in the out-year harvest of bread and fishes going into a downward spiral.

In the real world, those corporate, capital gains, and dividend taxes the new messiah promises will eat whatever “seed” bread and fishes are still left after the above “economic miracle”.

Since no one will still fish, raise grain, or bake bread if someone just feeds them and punishes any attempt at betterment [read “privilege”], we had best hope your messiah can work with rocks. Mine expected that I use my talents [capital] to better myself. The tithe then expected to help the poor was a lot lower than my current taxes.

Posted by: BillMillsinSterlingVA | November 3, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1: Pretty symbolic theology. Is that the pitch from the new messiah? There was nothing in the bible I read about the real Messiah using “leverage”. That theory fits right in with an old joke we had in the world of project management. The planning chart showed all the easy stuff scheduled in detail, then leaped to completion through a block labeled “Then a miracle happens”.

In real life, if people get a windfall they didn’t have to work for the applicable theory is “easy come, easy go”.

In real life, the amount of money [bread and fishes] Obama claims he will have “the rich” render unto Caesar will not come close to having the promised affect. The search for more “seed” bread and fishes will broaden.

In real life, the capital pulled out of the economy [you do recall why it’s called “capitalism”] will squelch economic growth, resulting in the out-year harvest of bread and fishes going into a downward spiral.

In the real world, those corporate, capital gains, and dividend taxes the new messiah promises will eat whatever “seed” bread and fishes are still left after the above “economic miracle”.

Since no one will still fish, raise grain, or bake bread if someone just feeds them and punishes any attempt at betterment [read “privilege”], we had best hope your messiah can work with rocks. Mine expected that I use my talents [capital] to better myself. The tithe then expected to help the poor was a lot lower than my current taxes.

Posted by: BillMillsinSterlingVA | November 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The politics of division do not work anymore. Maybe, in the future, a Republican will try running on their record, rather than demonizing the opposition.

Bye Bye McCain...and Dole...(fill in the blank)

The anti-Obama ad that even the networks won't run:

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/11/anti-obama-ad-networks-will-not-run.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | November 3, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget."

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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The politics of division do not work anymore. Maybe, in the future, a Republican will try running on their record, rather than demonizing the opposition.

Bye Bye McCain...and Dole...(fill in the blank)

The anti-Obama ad that even the networks won't run:

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/11/anti-obama-ad-networks-will-not-run.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | November 3, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget."

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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

“I wanted to see the next vice president of the United States,” said Josh Simmons, Gators for McCain chairman.

Simmons said he voted for Obama about two weeks ago.

“I’ve seen a different John McCain than the one I signed up to work for,” he said.

Simmons said he submitted his resignation Sunday night and will no longer be chairman for the group, which has more than 1,000 members.

“I expect them to be incredibly pissed off,” he said.

Posted by: popasmoke | November 3, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

It's about 11 hours until the first ballots on Election Day are cast at Dixville Notch, ME.
It's almost over.
Soon we'll have identified our new leadership for future of America.
I hope, with all my heart, that the results return Barack Obama and Joe Biden into the White House.
It's time to rid ourselves of the wasteful GOP and bury them under tons of ballots repudiating their damage to our country.
DorchesterAndCongress is a perfect example.
He/she/it abuses the privilege of posting comments by wasting tons of space posting the same tired diatribes we've heard for months.
Notice, folks, he/she/it only lambasts the candidates he doesn't like.
Not one word about the candidates he/she/it supposedly supports.
Typical Republican.
They support a coven of crooks who are bleeding our country, wasting its resources, hiding behind hateful, divisive campaigning, believing the American electorate is so stupid they'll be fooled again and again and again -- 2000, 2004 and now they think they're due again in 2008.
Well, I hope it's over.
They need to be rejected completely.
With a party that runs a secede-ist and a old, worn-out rebel, who needs Mid-East enemies?
They prove there's more than one way to sink a ship.
It's time for intelligent leadership to get our Ship of State back on course to support our American dreams and rid ourselves of this 8-year national nightmare.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | November 3, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit it. I was one of those SWING VOTERS that just could not make up his mind.

That was until I read the following article:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/ethanol-farm-industries-split-on-candidates-5106.html

Renewable Energy policy is too important to screw up. this will mean everything to the future of our country.

David Lee
Arlington, VA

Posted by: leed1 | November 3, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse


John Mccain and Sarah Palin say they will bring home our troops in victory. Unfortunately the arrogance, folly and ego on old men brings home soldiers like this.

Vote Obama on Nov 4th

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&_/images7/2006_war_photos_7/corpses_karbala_iraq.jpe

Posted by: popasmoke | November 3, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, next election, Republicans will run on their accomplishments and not engage in the politics of personal destruction.

Here is the anti-Obama attack ad that even the networks won't run.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/11/anti-obama-ad-networks-will-not-run.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | November 3, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Nobel Laureates back Obama. Do you agree?

Patrick Mannion
EE Times
(10/29/2008 11:56 AM EDT)

COMMACK, N.Y. — Arguing that Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois best understands the importance of science and technology in boosting U.S. competitiveness, 76 American Nobel Laureates have endorsed the Democratic candidate for U.S. president.
The Nobel winners released an Open Letter to the American People endorsing Obama that focused on his plan for expanding U.S. scientific and technology.

The scientists said they support "the measures he plans to take--through new initiatives in education and training, expanded research funding, an unbiased process for obtaining scientific advice and an appropriate balance of basic and applied research--to meet the nation's and the world's most urgent needs."


The presidential endorsement included the largest ever list of Nobel Laureates, eclipsing the 47 who endorsed Democratic Sen. John Kerry in 2004. The list includes all three American Nobel Laureates in science for 2008: Martin Chalfie of Columbia University and Roger Tsien of the University of California at San Diego, who shared the chemistry prize; and Yoichiro Nambu of the University of Chicago, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics.

Chalfie has also recorded a YouTube video explaining his endorsement. "Barack Obama's administration will continue to keep us the envy of the world," Chalfie said.


Posted by: svreader | November 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

It's about 11 hours until the first ballots on Election Day are cast at Dixville Notch, ME.
It's almost over.
Soon we'll have identified our new leadership for future of America.
I hope, with all my heart, that the results return Barack Obama and Joe Biden into the White House.
It's time to rid ourselves of the wasteful GOP and bury them under tons of ballots repudiating their damage to our country.
DorchesterAndCongress is a perfect example.
He/she/it abuses the privilege of posting comments by wasting tons of space posting the same tired diatribes we've heard for months.
Notice, folks, he/she/it only lambasts the candidates he doesn't like.
Not one word about the candidates he/she/it supposedly supports.
Typical Republican.
They support a coven of crooks who are bleeding our country, wasting its resources, hiding behind hateful, divisive campaigning, believing the American electorate is so stupid they'll be fooled again and again and again -- 2000, 2004 and now they think they're due again in 2008.
Well, I hope it's over.
They need to be rejected completely.
With a party that runs a secede-ist and a old, worn-out rebel, who needs Mid-East enemies?
They prove there's more than one way to sink a ship.
It's time for intelligent leadership to get our Ship of State back on course to support our American dreams and rid ourselves of this 8-year national nightmare.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | November 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit it. I was one of those SWING VOTERS that just could not make up his mind.

That was until I read the following article:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/ethanol-farm-industries-split-on-candidates-5106.html

Renewable Energy policy is too important to screw up. this will mean everything to the future of our country.

David Lee
Arlington, VA

Posted by: leed1 | November 3, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

so: Question to Republicans.

Will your party move further to the right if you lose the Presidency and a significant number of House and Senate seats??

Posted by: toritto | November 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

It's about 11 hours until the first ballots on Election Day are cast at Dixville Notch, ME.
It's almost over.
Soon we'll have identified our new leadership for future of America.
I hope, with all my heart, that the results return Barack Obama and Joe Biden into the White House.
It's time to rid ourselves of the wasteful GOP and bury them under tons of ballots repudiating their damage to our country.
DorchesterAndCongress is a perfect example.
He/she/it abuses the privilege of posting comments by wasting tons of space posting the same tired diatribes we've heard for months.
Notice, folks, he/she/it only lambasts the candidates he doesn't like.
Not one word about the candidates he/she/it supposedly supports.
Typical Republican.
They support a coven of crooks who are bleeding our country, wasting its resources, hiding behind hateful, divisive campaigning, believing the American electorate is so stupid they'll be fooled again and again and again -- 2000, 2004 and now they think they're due again in 2008.
Well, I hope it's over.
They need to be rejected completely.
With a party that runs a secede-ist and a old, worn-out rebel, who needs Mid-East enemies?
They prove there's more than one way to sink a ship.
It's time for intelligent leadership to get our Ship of State back on course to support our American dreams and rid ourselves of this 8-year national nightmare.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | November 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

76 NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF BARACK OBAMA.

THE LARGEST NUMBER OF NOBEL WINNERS TO EVERY ENDORSE A CANDIDATE

WHY HASN'T THE POST COVERED THIS STORY????>

Nobel Laureates back Obama. Do you agree?

Patrick Mannion
EE Times
(10/29/2008 11:56 AM EDT)


COMMACK, N.Y. — Arguing that Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois best understands the importance of science and technology in boosting U.S. competitiveness, 76 American Nobel Laureates have endorsed the Democratic candidate for U.S. president.
The Nobel winners released an Open Letter to the American People endorsing Obama that focused on his plan for expanding U.S. scientific and technology.

The scientists said they support "the measures he plans to take--through new initiatives in education and training, expanded research funding, an unbiased process for obtaining scientific advice and an appropriate balance of basic and applied research--to meet the nation's and the world's most urgent needs."


The presidential endorsement included the largest ever list of Nobel Laureates, eclipsing the 47 who endorsed Democratic Sen. John Kerry in 2004. The list includes all three American Nobel Laureates in science for 2008: Martin Chalfie of Columbia University and Roger Tsien of the University of California at San Diego, who shared the chemistry prize; and Yoichiro Nambu of the University of Chicago, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics.

Chalfie has also recorded a YouTube video explaining his endorsement. "Barack Obama's administration will continue to keep us the envy of the world," Chalfie said.


Posted by: svreader | November 3, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Get ready to swallow it Repubs. Bush is finally hiding in Cheneys Spider Hole and Palin is getting ready to shop her Blues away...McCain is going to the French Riveria to buy a yacht so he and his heiress wife can go to French Polynesia where no one will remember their name...and Obama?....well, he'll pay a little visit to his gramma and say a prayer and ask for the same thing Soloman asked for...Guidance to lead this country fairly. In a way we haven't seen in many,many a years...so get ready you Repubs...it's coming. and you'll know what it feels to be in the frustrated minority...So it is. Selah!
-Yow

Posted by: mynamesyow | November 3, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

76 NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF BARACK OBAMA.

THE LARGEST NUMBER OF NOBEL WINNERS TO EVERY ENDORSE A CANDIDATE

WHY HASN'T THE POST COVERED THIS STORY????>

Nobel Laureates back Obama. Do you agree?

Patrick Mannion
EE Times
(10/29/2008 11:56 AM EDT)


COMMACK, N.Y. — Arguing that Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois best understands the importance of science and technology in boosting U.S. competitiveness, 76 American Nobel Laureates have endorsed the Democratic candidate for U.S. president.
The Nobel winners released an Open Letter to the American People endorsing Obama that focused on his plan for expanding U.S. scientific and technology.

The scientists said they support "the measures he plans to take--through new initiatives in education and training, expanded research funding, an unbiased process for obtaining scientific advice and an appropriate balance of basic and applied research--to meet the nation's and the world's most urgent needs."


The presidential endorsement included the largest ever list of Nobel Laureates, eclipsing the 47 who endorsed Democratic Sen. John Kerry in 2004. The list includes all three American Nobel Laureates in science for 2008: Martin Chalfie of Columbia University and Roger Tsien of the University of California at San Diego, who shared the chemistry prize; and Yoichiro Nambu of the University of Chicago, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics.

Chalfie has also recorded a YouTube video explaining his endorsement. "Barack Obama's administration will continue to keep us the envy of the world," Chalfie said.


Posted by: svreader | November 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit it. I've remained one of those SWING VOTERS that just couldn't make up his mind on this election.

then I read the following article on renewable energy

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/ethanol-farm-industries-split-on-candidates-5106.html

and now I've finally made up my mind. Too important not to get these energy policies right. -- David Lee Arlington, VA

Posted by: leed1 | November 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

It's about 11 hours until the first ballots on Election Day are cast at Dixville Notch, ME.
It's almost over.
Soon we'll have identified our new leadership for future of America.
I hope, with all my heart, that the results return Barack Obama and Joe Biden into the White House.
It's time to rid ourselves of the wasteful GOP and bury them under tons of ballots repudiating their damage to our country.
DorchesterAndCongress is a perfect example.
He/she/it abuses the privilege of posting comments by wasting tons of space posting the same tired diatribes we've heard for months.
Notice, folks, he/she/it only lambasts the candidates he doesn't like.
Not one word about the candidates he/she/it supposedly supports.
Typical Republican.
They support a coven of crooks who are bleeding our country, wasting its resources, hiding behind hateful, divisive campaigning, believing the American electorate is so stupid they'll be fooled again and again and again -- 2000, 2004 and now they think they're due again in 2008.
Well, I hope it's over.
They need to be rejected completely.
With a party that runs a secede-ist and a old, worn-out rebel, who needs Mid-East enemies?
They prove there's more than one way to sink a ship.
It's time for intelligent leadership to get our Ship of State back on course to support our American dreams and rid ourselves of this 8-year national nightmare.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | November 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit it. I've remained one of those SWING VOTERS that just couldn't make up his mind on this election.

then I read the following article on renewble energy

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/ethanol-farm-industries-split-on-candidates-5106.html

and now I've finally made up my mind. Too important not to get these enrgy policies right. -- David Lee Arlington, VA

Posted by: leed1 | November 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"What's the point of a generic ballot question?"

If you're running a nationwide poll, you still get to 'poll' the congressional races, without having to collect a sample of 400+ voters in each of 435 House districts.

All it really measures is party enthusiasm. Even then, its a rather crude measure. Personally, I'd like to see some Independence Party candidates make it to Congress. But I don't know if there's even an IP candidate on my House ballot this year - Rep Ellison is basically running unopposed, though there may be a token GOP candidate. I'll probably leave that race blank, or write-in Tammy Lee, the IP candidate who collected 20% of the vote in 2006.

If pushed, I'll pick the Dems over the GOP because the GOP is so bereft of ideas and leadership they deserve a couple years in the deep minority. They need to kick the social cons out of the party & come back as a party of real fiscal conservatism: not the borrow-and-spend party of Reagan & Bush 43, but a real balanced-budget party that will cut the crap out of federal spending.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 3, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Prior to Social Security (socialist), most of the elderly in the US died in poverty. Very few people realize or remember this, because Social Security has been a remarkably successful socialist program. It needs some tweaking now because of the population bulge of the Baby Boom generation, but it will be fixed (it has to be, because it's such a POPULAR SOCIALIST program).

The same can be said of Medicare, Medicaid, and unemployment insurance.

The Joe the Plumbers of the world fantasize about becoming the next John Paulson (a hedge fund owner who "earned" 3.7 billion dollars last year), but in reality, they barely scrape by.

Obama and a solid Democratic congress will help make health care affordable for the vast majority of Americans, and Palin et al can run in four years complaining about our new "socialist" health care system....

Posted by: Bondosan | November 3, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit it. I've remained one of those SWING VOTERS that just couldn't make up his mind on this election.

then I read the following article on renewble energy

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/ethanol-farm-industries-split-on-candidates-5106.html

and now I've finally made up my mind. Too important not to get these enrgy policies right. -- David Lee Arlington, VA

Posted by: leed1 | November 3, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I continue to be amazed that prognosticators think Democrats will net around 20 seats. This will be a huge disappointment if our Party doesn't net at least 30 seats. I'm expecting at least 40, and I think 50 isn't out of the question. This isn't to year to hope for or be satisfied minimal gains in the House.
Thirty seats will be the minimum gain tomorrow.

Posted by: jdunph1 | November 3, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Republican's abandoned the morality and patriotism of Reagan. For all of his flaws, Reagan would never have given into the sort of greed and abandonment of principles and patriotism that has characterized Neoconservativism. The present crop of Republican's has replaced Reagan conservativisn with nitwit pseudo-christian Fundamentalism; Wall Street and corporate perversion of capitalism, chasing money and profits at any cost, even the ruin of the country; latter day white supremacy and racism; and the sort of dog-eat-dog rogue individualism that characterizes fiefdoms run by petty warlords and Somali pirates. John McCain admitted as much on Saturday Night Live when he talked about running as the Anti-maverick, where you do as others tell you and suspend your own innate knowledge of what is right and wrong. So, the current crop of "conservatives" includes monsterous failures like Dorchester (37th St.) and similar scum, who wear their ignorance and bigotry like a tin star. Until such subhuman swine, until the Swift Boaters and the Rupert Murdock's and like self serving parasites are purged, the Republican Party will wander in the wilderness. It deserves it.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 3, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Prior to Social Security (socialist), most of the elderly in the US died in poverty. Very few people realize or remember this, because Social Security has been a remarkably successful socialist program. It needs some tweaking now because of the population bulge of the Baby Boom generation, but it will be fixed (it has to be, because it's such a POPULAR SOCIALIST program).

The same can be said of Medicare, Medicaid, and unemployment insurance.

The Joe the Plumbers of the world fantasize about becoming the next John Paulson (a hedge fund owner who "earned" 3.7 billion dollars last year), but in reality, they barely scrape by.

Obama and a solid Democratic congress will help make health care affordable for the vast majority of Americans, and Palin et al can run in four years complaining about our new "socialist" health care system....

Posted by: Bondosan | November 3, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Democrats and our Obamacan friends courting all Republican and Independent Voters!

Obama’s message rings of a “Beautiful day coming to America” which is similar to Reagan’s “Its morning in america again”

Beautiful day coming to America

U2 - beautiful day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFdpnSu57U

Army general Colin Powell and over 70 retired generals and admirals have endorsed Obama/Biden '08

Hope and Change backed by strength.

Our World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY

The Mom Vote
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1197846/4274384

Change we need

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: cooday | November 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Republican's abandoned the morality and patriotism of Reagan. For all of his flaws, Reagan would never have given into the sort of greed and abandonment of principles and patriotism that has characterized Neoconservativism. The present crop of Republican's has replaced Reagan conservativisn with nitwit pseudo-christian Fundamentalism; Wall Street and corporate perversion of capitalism, chasing money and profits at any cost, even the ruin of the country; latter day white supremacy and racism; and the sort of dog-eat-dog rogue individualism that characterizes fiefdoms run by petty warlords and Somali pirates. John McCain admitted as much on Saturday Night Live when he talked about running as the Anti-maverick, where you do as others tell you and suspend your own innate knowledge of what is right and wrong. So, the current crop of "conservatives" includes monsterous failures like Dorchester (37th St.) and similar scum, who wear their ignorance and bigotry like a tin star. Until such subhuman swine, until the Swift Boaters and the Rupert Murdock's and like self serving parasites are purged, the Republican Party will wander in the wilderness. It deserves it.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | November 3, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

PALIN NOW WILL NOT RELEASE MEDICAL RECORDS

I have a feeling the abortion is there, along with the treatment for drug abuse, mental illness. It is known she has been treated for depression and has/is a drug user.
This should have been gone into a long time ago, but it is probably a who cares now.

Posted by: popasmoke | November 3, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Any Hillary supporter who's even thinking of voting for McCain should read this article.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15157.html

Hillary, Bill and Chelsea will be voting for Barack Obama.

If you want to see her policy proposals, vote for Barack Obama.

They're both great Americans.

If you respect her, vote for him!!!

Posted by: svreader | November 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

What's the point of a generic ballot question? The candidates are well-known to all informed voters. Nobody votes for a generic party member; they vote for the specific party member who's running for a given office. Generic ballot questions are useful earlier in the election cycle to get the overall mood of the electorate, but they're obsolete now that we're so close to the election.

Posted by: Blarg | November 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

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If there was a white Presidential candidate who was found to be a member of a racist church, same as the Rev. Wright's church except substitute "white values" for "black values" and visa vera, THE MEDIA WOULD BE IN TOTAL ATTACK MODE AGAINST THAT WHITE CANDIDATE.


OBAMA IS A RACIST - OBAMA HAS GIVEN $20,000.00 TO A RACIST CHURCH IN ONE YEAR.


Washington Post - there are a lot of Churches in Chicago which are black and which are not racist - Obama did not have to give $20,000.00 to this one Church - STOP GIVING OBAMA A PASS ON HIS RACISM AGAINST WHITES.


WAKE UP WASHINGTON POST WAKE UP MEDIA.


WAKE UP AMERICA.


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Exactly right he's racist. Just listen to Irreverend Wrong, his pastor for many, many years.


Exactly right he's socialist. Just listen to him admit it to Joe the Plumber, or his interviews in the past.


Exactly right he's a rotten human being. Just look at his abortion voting record.


Exactly right he has questionable judgment. Just look at his associations with people in his past.


Exactly right he's corrupt. Just look at the Rezko land deal.


Exactly right he's a liar. Just look at what he says about taxes vs. how he's actually voted.


Exactly right he has no executive experience. Just look at his resume -- or lack thereof.


Exactly right he's secretive. Just look at his lack of birth certificate, SAT scores, grades, etc. etc., etc.


Exactly right he'll be challenged in his first 6 months of office if elected. Just look at what he says about meeting unconditionally with world leaders.


We cannot be SERIOUS about electing this guy!! Obama in charge of nukes?! What. The.


Sorry George Washington, we messed everything up.


We stopped demanding the best people in the White House.


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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Any Hillary supporter who's even thinking of voting for McCain should read this article.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15157.html

Hillary, Bill and Chelsea will be voting for Barack Obama.

If you want to see her policy proposals, vote for Barack Obama.

They're both great Americans.

If you respect her, vote for him!!!

Posted by: svreader | November 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain's final gift to the Republican Party:
Sarah 2012. Sarah 2016. Sarah 2020. Sarah 2024.
Sarah 2028. Sarah 2032. Sarah 2036. Sarah 2040.


Posted by: ford9504 | November 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse


LONG LINES AT THE POLLS, MACHINE IREGULARITIES:

HOW COME MAINSTREAM MEDIA IGNORES THE WARNING SIGNS?

Why is it that Rachel Maddow of MSNBC is one of the few mainstream journalists who recognizes that the long lines at the polls amount to a de facto poll tax, skewing the results of the election?

Or that reports of electronic voting machine irregularities could be symptomatic of a systemic condition that could be siphoning votes from one candidate to the benefit of another?

And those long lines: There is a phenomenon known as "store mobbing." It's a tactic used by so-called community or gang stalkers to harass and intimidate fellow citizens who are victims of so-called "extrajudicial targeting."

Could we be seeing a variation on this tactic that might be termed "poll mobbing" -- a group of people who arrive at certain targeted polling places to stand in line, extending the time it takes to cast a ballot?

As Maddow remarked on last night's program, how many voters can afford to take several hours off from work to exercise their constitutional right to cast their ballot for the candidate of their choice?

Those would-be voters who are frustrated by the long lines should observe other people in line carefully. Are there people standing in line who, when they get to the front of the line, suddenly drop out and reposition themselves further back in line?

If so, they could be engaging in a crude but effective means of voter suppression.


BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens
OR members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

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If there was a white Presidential candidate who was found to be a member of a racist church, same as the Rev. Wright's church except substitute "white values" for "black values" and visa vera, THE MEDIA WOULD BE IN TOTAL ATTACK MODE AGAINST THAT WHITE CANDIDATE.


OBAMA IS A RACIST - OBAMA HAS GIVEN $20,000.00 TO A RACIST CHURCH IN ONE YEAR.


Washington Post - there are a lot of Churches in Chicago which are black and which are not racist - Obama did not have to give $20,000.00 to this one Church - STOP GIVING OBAMA A PASS ON HIS RACISM AGAINST WHITES.


WAKE UP WASHINGTON POST WAKE UP MEDIA.


WAKE UP AMERICA.


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Exactly right he's racist. Just listen to Irreverend Wrong, his pastor for many, many years.


Exactly right he's socialist. Just listen to him admit it to Joe the Plumber, or his interviews in the past.


Exactly right he's a rotten human being. Just look at his abortion voting record.


Exactly right he has questionable judgment. Just look at his associations with people in his past.


Exactly right he's corrupt. Just look at the Rezko land deal.


Exactly right he's a liar. Just look at what he says about taxes vs. how he's actually voted.


Exactly right he has no executive experience. Just look at his resume -- or lack thereof.


Exactly right he's secretive. Just look at his lack of birth certificate, SAT scores, grades, etc. etc., etc.


Exactly right he'll be challenged in his first 6 months of office if elected. Just look at what he says about meeting unconditionally with world leaders.


We cannot be SERIOUS about electing this guy!! Obama in charge of nukes?! What. The.


Sorry George Washington, we messed everything up.


We stopped demanding the best people in the White House.


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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

What's the point of a generic ballot question? The candidates are well-known to all informed voters. Nobody votes for a generic party member; they vote for the specific party member who's running for a given office. Generic ballot questions are useful earlier in the election cycle to get the overall mood of the electorate, but they're obsolete now that we're so close to the election.

Posted by: Blarg | November 3, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Playing the "riots card" if Obama loses?

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: dcpsychic | November 3, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse


LONG LINES AT THE POLLS, MACHINE IRREGULARITIES:

HOW COME MAINSTREAM MEDIA IGNORES THE WARNING SIGNS?

Why is it that Rachel Maddow of MSNBC is one of the few mainstream journalists who recognizes that the long lines at the polls amount to a de facto poll tax, skewing the results of the election?

Or that reports of electronic voting machine irregularities could be symptomatic of a systemic condition that could be siphoning votes from one candidate to the benefit of another? And wouldn't such a scenario also affect down-ticket Congressional races?

And those long lines: There is a phenomenon known as "store mobbing." It's a tactic used by so-called community or gang stalkers to harass and intimidate fellow citizens who are victims of so-called "extrajudicial targeting."

Could we be seeing a variation on this tactic that might be termed "poll mobbing" -- a group of people who arrive at certain targeted polling places to stand in line, extending the time it takes to cast a ballot?

As Maddow remarked on last night's program, how many voters can afford to take several hours off from work to exercise their constitutional right to cast their ballot?

Those would-be voters who are frustrated by the long lines should observe other people in line carefully. Are there people standing in line who, when they get to the front of the line, suddenly drop out and reposition themselves further back in line?

If so, they could be engaging in a crude but effective means of voter suppression.


BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens
OR members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

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If there was a white Presidential candidate who was found to be a member of a racist church, same as the Rev. Wright's church except substitute "white values" for "black values" and visa vera, THE MEDIA WOULD BE IN TOTAL ATTACK MODE AGAINST THAT WHITE CANDIDATE.


OBAMA IS A RACIST - OBAMA HAS GIVEN $20,000.00 TO A RACIST CHURCH IN ONE YEAR.


Washington Post - there are a lot of Churches in Chicago which are black and which are not racist - Obama did not have to give $20,000.00 to this one Church - STOP GIVING OBAMA A PASS ON HIS RACISM AGAINST WHITES.


WAKE UP WASHINGTON POST WAKE UP MEDIA.


WAKE UP AMERICA.


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Exactly right he's racist. Just listen to Irreverend Wrong, his pastor for many, many years.


Exactly right he's socialist. Just listen to him admit it to Joe the Plumber, or his interviews in the past.


Exactly right he's a rotten human being. Just look at his abortion voting record.


Exactly right he has questionable judgment. Just look at his associations with people in his past.


Exactly right he's corrupt. Just look at the Rezko land deal.


Exactly right he's a liar. Just look at what he says about taxes vs. how he's actually voted.


Exactly right he has no executive experience. Just look at his resume -- or lack thereof.


Exactly right he's secretive. Just look at his lack of birth certificate, SAT scores, grades, etc. etc., etc.


Exactly right he'll be challenged in his first 6 months of office if elected. Just look at what he says about meeting unconditionally with world leaders.


We cannot be SERIOUS about electing this guy!! Obama in charge of nukes?! What. The.


Sorry George Washington, we messed everything up.


We stopped demanding the best people in the White House.


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.

Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Redneck Gazette figures that Obama is a man of Missouri Common Sense because of the way he talks about health care. ..............


http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/11/03/redneck-gazette-obama-uses-common-sense/

Posted by: glclark4750 | November 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse


LONG LINES AT THE POLLS, MACHINE IRREGULARITIES:

HOW COME MAINSTREAM MEDIA IGNORES THE WARNING SIGNS?

Why is it that Rachel Maddow of MSNBC is one of the few mainstream journalists who recognizes that the long lines at the polls amount to a de facto poll tax, skewing the results of the election?

Or that reports of electronic voting machine irregularities could be symptomatic of a systemic condition that could be siphoning votes from one candidate to the benefit of another? And wouldn't such a scenario also affect down-ticket Congressional races?

And those long lines: There is a phenomenon known as "store mobbing." It's a tactic used by so-called community or gang stalkers to harass and intimidate fellow citizens who are victims of so-called "extrajudicial targeting."

Could we be seeing a variation on this tactic that might be termed "poll mobbing" -- a group of people who arrive at certain targeted polling places to stand in line, extending the time it takes to cast a ballot?

As Maddow remarked on last night's program, how many voters can afford to take several hours off from work to exercise their constitutional right to cast their ballot?

Those would-be voters who are frustrated by the long lines should observe other people in line carefully. Are there people standing in line who, when they get to the front of the line, suddenly drop out and reposition themselves further back in line?

If so, they could be engaging in a crude but effective means of voter suppression.


BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens
OR members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

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If there was a white Presidential candidate who was found to be a member of a racist church, same as the Rev. Wright's church except substitute "white values" for "black values" and visa vera, THE MEDIA WOULD BE IN TOTAL ATTACK MODE AGAINST THAT WHITE CANDIDATE.


OBAMA IS A RACIST - OBAMA HAS GIVEN $20,000.00 TO A RACIST CHURCH IN ONE YEAR.


Washington Post - there are a lot of Churches in Chicago which are black and which are not racist - Obama did not have to give $20,000.00 to this one Church - STOP GIVING OBAMA A PASS ON HIS RACISM AGAINST WHITES.


WAKE UP WASHINGTON POST WAKE UP MEDIA.


WAKE UP AMERICA.


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.


Exactly right he's racist. Just listen to Irreverend Wrong, his pastor for many, many years.


Exactly right he's socialist. Just listen to him admit it to Joe the Plumber, or his interviews in the past.


Exactly right he's a rotten human being. Just look at his abortion voting record.


Exactly right he has questionable judgment. Just look at his associations with people in his past.


Exactly right he's corrupt. Just look at the Rezko land deal.


Exactly right he's a liar. Just look at what he says about taxes vs. how he's actually voted.


Exactly right he has no executive experience. Just look at his resume -- or lack thereof.


Exactly right he's secretive. Just look at his lack of birth certificate, SAT scores, grades, etc. etc., etc.


Exactly right he'll be challenged in his first 6 months of office if elected. Just look at what he says about meeting unconditionally with world leaders.


We cannot be SERIOUS about electing this guy!! Obama in charge of nukes?! What. The.


Sorry George Washington, we messed everything up.


We stopped demanding the best people in the White House.


.


.

Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

If anything, the examples cited above illustrate the relative meaninglessness of the "generic ballot" question. 1980 especially failed to take into account the wholesale move of what had been called "populist" voters (often rural, religious "morality" voters who might have various economic preferences) to the Republicans. We're still dealing with the aftereffects of that shift.

One thing I always find fascinating is the cyclical shifts in Congressional districts (or just regions of different states). What might be considered a solid district for one party gradually changes as new people move in or out, then following a seismic election or the retirement of a long-serving Congressman, the shift to the other party becomes apparent. Before long, the district is considered a solid district for the new party--except it may be changing again.

Posted by: Budikavlan | November 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The Redneck Gazette figures that Obama is a man of Missouri Common Sense because of the way he talks about health care. ..............


http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/11/03/redneck-gazette-obama-uses-common-sense/

Posted by: glclark4750 | November 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

So the last time the generic vote favored the Democrats this heavily, the Republicans gained 33 seats? That's the historical reference??

That seems to be a little more than simply having the edge wiped away.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

If anything, the examples cited above illustrate the relative meaninglessness of the "generic ballot" question. 1980 especially failed to take into account the wholesale move of what had been called "populist" voters (often rural, religious "morality" voters who might have various economic preferences) to the Republicans. We're still dealing with the aftereffects of that shift.

One thing I always find fascinating is the cyclical shifts in Congressional districts (or just regions of different states). What might be considered a solid district for one party gradually changes as new people move in or out, then following a seismic election or the retirement of a long-serving Congressman, the shift to the other party becomes apparent. Before long, the district is considered a solid district for the new party--except it may be changing again.

Posted by: Budikavlan | November 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

If anything, the examples cited above illustrate the relative meaninglessness of the "generic ballot" question. 1980 especially failed to take into account the wholesale move of what had been called "populist" voters (often rural, religious "morality" voters who might have various economic preferences) to the Republicans. We're still dealing with the aftereffects of that shift.

One thing I always find fascinating is the cyclical shifts in Congressional districts (or just regions of different states). What might be considered a solid district for one party gradually changes as new people move in or out, then following a seismic election or the retirement of a long-serving Congressman, the shift to the other party becomes apparent. Before long, the district is considered a solid district for the new party--except it may be changing again.

Posted by: Budikavlan | November 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

So the last time the generic vote favored the Democrats this heavily, the Republicans gained 33 seats? That's the historical reference??

That seems to be a little more than simply having the edge wiped away.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 3, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Yea but Americans care more about lower taxes and conservative values.


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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

All the polls show Democrats poised to pick up 7-9 Senate seats and 20-30 house seats. I'd be surprised if they received less in either group. Given the strength of Obama (and the sense that so many people feel the country is headed in the wrong direction), I think Gallup is correct...

Posted by: RickJ | November 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Yea but Americans care more about lower taxes and conservative values.


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Posted by: DorchesterAndCongress | November 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

All the polls show Democrats poised to pick up 7-9 Senate seats and 20-30 house seats. I'd be surprised if they received less in either group. Given the strength of Obama (and the sense that so many people feel the country is headed in the wrong direction), I think Gallup is correct...

Posted by: RickJ | November 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

It's all going to come down to how Swing Voters swing...

http://swingvoters.wordpress.com

Posted by: supahfishal | November 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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