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FixCam Week in Preview: New Electoral Map Puts Obama Above 300

The political impact of the bailout bill and the renewed focus it has placed on the economy in the presidential race has allowed Barack Obama to move into the lead over John McCain in a series of battleground states.

The movement is most noticeable in states -- particularly in the Industrial Midwest -- where the economy has been a front-burner issue for years. Jan van Lohuizen, a Republican consultant who polled for President George W. Bush's re-election race, summed it up succinctly: "The crisis has affected the entire ticket. The worse the state's economy, the greater the impact."

With that in mind, we have moved Ohio from McCain's column to Obama's -- amid polling including a new Columbus Dispatch survey that shows the Illinois senator with an edge.

The other major change in this week's Fix map is Virginia, which we are moving from McCain to Obama. Electoral history in the state is daunting for Obama -- the last Democrat to carry the state at the presidential level was Lyndon Johnson way back in 1964 -- but the Democratic candidate is lavishing time and money on the Commonwealth. And, even top Virginia Republicans are starting to express their concern publicly about McCain's dimming prospects there.

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By Chris Cillizza  |  October 6, 2008; 5:30 AM ET
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I just read this over on armytimes.com

Quote:

"The nation’s most prestigious group for Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans released a congressional scorecard on Tuesday that ranks Republican presidential candidate John McCain as having one of the worst voting records when it comes to supporting troops and veterans."

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_vets_congress_reportcard_100708/

It is easy to say that Obama is against veterans, like Sarah Palin does. But these are not how Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America sees it. Does Sarah Palin want to challenge their patriotism?

Posted by: wunderwood | October 7, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

phornbeak said to vs1123, "Dude, you best take your morning meds," and then after my post on "guilt by association" he said, "wondurwood" posted some unintelligble crap about associations. He obviously missed some doses of his medication."

phornbeak is obviously just projecting his problems onto others with which he disagrees. It is a common Republican problem. This "guilt by association" attack is a classic example of this. G. Gordon Liddy is a good example of a REAL association with REAL guilt. I suggest that phornbeak talk to a liscensed psychiatrist and perhaps get a second opinion.

What I want to know is this. I am about to watch the debate. Should I bother? Has John McCain won already? It's about to start. I have been watching for his political ads but maybe he loses this one?

Posted by: wunderwood | October 7, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"wondurwood" posted some unintelligble crap about associations. He obviously missed some doses of his medication.

Obama is supported by George Soros, The PLO, Lybia, Saudi Arabia, Hugo Chavez.

Obama is a crook involved with ACORN who extorts plenty of money from dumbass CEO's to timid to throw them out of their offices. The same model Jesse Jackson has used. So as long as there are gullible people like you, these parasites will prosper.

If we let them get into the white house, then our country will be turned into a "workers paradise" not unlike Cuba or China.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 7, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

ACCEPTING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM ASSOCIATES OF KNOWN TERRORISTS?

The Ayers-Weber-McCain connection. Truth? Guilt by Association? We report. YOU Decide!

Arnold R. "Arnie" Weber is a Chicago Annenberg Board Member and Chicago "insider". He was a part of the Nixon White House. Arnie Weber has held other Washington "insider" jobs too. He is a LONGTIME REPUBLICAN DONOR. But get this: Arnie Weber was a BOARD MEMBER of the infamous **CHICAGO ANNNENBERG CHALLENGE** organization, which was founded by known "TERRORIST" Bill Ayers!

Sarah Palin was using "guilt by association". This, however, is a two way street but Gov. Palin may not understand this.

NEW INFORMATION SHOWS THAT JOHN MCCAIN HAS ACCEPTED "TAINTED" CAMPAIGN MONEY FROM ARNIE WEBER, AN ASSOCIATE OF BILL AYERS.

Arnie Weber has given the maximum legal amount of $1,500 to the McCain campaign in 2008. He probably would have given more if allowed by law. In 2008, Arnie Weber made two separate donations of $1,000 and $500 to McCain’s presidential campaign run by EX-LOBBYIST AND WASHINGTON INSIDER RICK DAVIS.

I demand that Senator McCain denounce this man, Arnie Weber, and his associations to "terrorists" (as defined by his vice-president, Sarah Palin). I call on Senator McCain to reject these tainted donations. John McCain should then investigate how such a thing could possibly happen inside HIS OWN CAMPAIGN before seeking to cast stones at Senator Obama. McCain's campaign CEO, RICK DAVIS, needs to explain to the AMERICAN VOTERS his reasons for accepting this dirty money. Are they really that desperate to win this election? Doesn't John McCain still believe in the honor that he felt when defending this country against the enemy in Vietnam where he served as a prisoner of war for years?

THE "LIBERAL MEDIA" SHOULD ASK JOHN MCCAIN WHY HE ACCEPTED THIS TAINTED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THIS "TERRORIST" ASSOCIATE. Incredible as it may sound, Arnie Weber doesn't even DENY that he ASSOCIATED FOR YEARS with a "KNOWN TERRORIST".

This is probably because he hasn't been asked.

Now for the reality check: It turns out that these types of "facts" are simply BASELESS SMEAR ATTACKS WITH NO MERIT! Yes. It is true. Attacks like this are meant to distract the uninformed voters near the end of an election. We don't hear about them very often because most candidates have too much integrity to run them. They know that winning an election based on lies is unacceptable. Besides, people want to talk about REAL issues affecting REAL lives, not play a game of "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon".

Random associations are EASY to find. For instance, it turns out that you can trace Obama's FAMILY TREE to both George W. Bush (10th cousins once removed) and Dick Cheney (eighth cousins). Yep! They are legally RELATIVES. This is yet another useless "fact" for Trivial Pursuit lovers, but it is not worthy of any media time in this national election for the greatest country on God's green earth.

If you want some more guilt by association, here is something to find out for yourself. Who said this? Who supports this guy and his political party? "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag."

Guilt by association is an attack on voters and on the electoral process. Voters need to learn about the issues. Governor Palin should apologize for raising this STUPID guilt by association tactic against Senator Obama. And if she REALLY believes what she is saying, she REALLY should demand that they return "Arnie" Weber's campaign donations. Seriously. To do anything short of that would be blatant hypocrisy.

"Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it." [John McCain - The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer - 2/21/2000]

Posted by: wunderwood | October 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Desperate tactics. McCain / Palin are tearing down this country in a horrible grasp for power. They are trailing in the polls. Obama / Biden really did try to run a clean campaign, but they aren't going to be SWIFT BOATED.

Doesn't it bother anyone else that terms like SWIFT BOATED and WILLIE HORTON came from the dirty tricks of the past Republican campaigns?

I wish John McCain would listen to John McCain.

"Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it." [John McCain - The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer - 2/21/2000]

Posted by: wunderwood | October 7, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 7, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

vs1123 posted
"For all of those who liberally use the words "communist" and "socialist", intending it as an insult and a synonym for the Anti-Christ, go look up the definitions of both"

Huh....what the h-ll is this? Anti Christ? Dude, you best take your morning meds.

Obama is supported by George Soros, The PLO, Lybia, Saudi Arabia, Hugo Chavez.

Obama is a crook involved with ACORN who extorts plenty of money from dumbass CEO's to timid to throw them out of their offices. The same model Jesse Jackson has used. So as long as there are gullible people like you, these parasites will prosper.

If we let them get into the white house, then our country will be turned into a "workers paradise" not unlike Cuba or China. Look that up in your wikipedia!

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 7, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Judging from the posts, it looks like the smear campaign is now spreading to this blog.

For all of those who liberally use the words "communist" and "socialist", intending it as an insult and a synonym for the Anti-Christ, go look up the definitions of both (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism) and you'll see that not one politician in the US is remotely close to being either. Where do you guys get your lines - Joseph McCarthy??

Posted by: vs1123 | October 7, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

This gets better all the time. It’s hilarious. Now Obama has the g.ays mad for selling them out on the marriage deal… But they’ll still vote for him.
Now he’s pandering the Christian community.
We all saw Hillary do this with the southern blacks using her fake accent.
I doubt that we’ll see Obama with hands on hips trying to get the G.ay vote. There’s not enough of them, although it would be funny to watch.
He’d rather convert to Christianity to get those voters.

He doesn’t have a clue what he stands for or what he wants to be. What a mixed up guy.
He would sell his soul to get into the White House.

Posted by: dr718 | October 7, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

This gets better all the time. It’s hilarious. Obama has the g.ays pissed for selling them out on the marriage deal. But thet’ll still vote for him.
Now he’s pandering the Christian community. We all saw Hillary do this with the southern blacks using her fake accent.
I doubt that we’ll see Obama with hands on hips trying to get the G.ay vote. There isn't enough of them. Although he would if he thought it would pay off. That would be funny to watch.
He’d rather convert to Christianity, and go after them.
You really have to hate republicans to vote for Obama.

This guy is dangerous. He doesn’t have a clue what he stands for and would sell his soul to get into the White House.

Posted by: dr718 | October 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Well...

Seems Americans are FAR brighter than one party tooks us for...

Posted by: T-Prop | October 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Well...

Seems Americans are FAR brighter than one party took us for...

Posted by: T-Prop | October 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

McCain, the guy who admittedly "fell in love" with his country while a POW in his 20s, is not a true patriot. I've alway been in love with my country.

This guy is a child of privilege. His high school transcripts are classified. He somehow went on to the Naval Academy (reserved for the best students in the country) where he graduate near the bottom of his Naval Academy class. He somehow went to flight school (reserved for top graduates) He lost 5 aircraft in training (usually gets you kicked out). He gets assigned to an attack squadron. He gets shot down and captured. Cooperates with his captures against his country. Participates in propaganda against his country.

He comes back to the US leaves his wife and 3 kids for a woman 17 years his junior after committing adultery for months.

What a life! Not the type of person I would want for my President. Privilege and moral laxity have not served John well.

I am an anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-alcohol, Christian who wants a real leader as my President.

Obama/Biden 08.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 6, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

AgnosticEngineer: you said, "
Obama is only for raising taxes on those making >$250,000/year. That amounts to 95% of working Americans and most small businesses."

Surely you mean 5% of Americans, (many non working wealthy) and almost no small businesses. I think you ought to remember that you don't pay corporate income taxes on gross sales, only on some part of net profits. A company with a 10% net return on sales, (a VERY good return these days) would be doing $2.5 million in business, not too shabby, actually.

AND, for all you Republican Ignoramuses who can't be bothered about the difference, the Socialists in Russia were led by Alexander Kerensky. Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and their crew had a very low opinion of Socialists and Socialism. Whem they later appropriated the term for their party dominated state, they never liked to think of themselves as Socialist. Lenin was a Marxist, (sort of) and called his party Bolshevik, that is, majority, and the vastly larger body of Socialists menshevik, that is minority, (think loooosers) to build up his own ego.

Socialists think that Government ought to be subservient to social needs of society. Lerninist/Stalinist/Trotskites think they ought to be allowed to run the country any way they want because they are the bosses. (Sound like any unitary executive we know?) When you cross a Lev Berea, you end up in jail as an "Enemy of the State". (Sound like any Dark Lord of the Sith we know?) When the lies you try to use to cover your mess are shown to be lies, you say that really you believed in them, (Dialectic Materialism), and so they aren't lies but real truth.

Given all this, and the chilling resemblance between these concepts and the Politics of McCain/Palin, and their Predecessors, could it be that we are back to Communists bewailing the evils of Socialism?

Posted by: ceflynline | October 6, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

PhilaMike: No, it isn't the C word.

Look up the classification of skunk in any book on mammals. Basically a rotund weasel with a fancy coat, ready, willing and able to stink up an area if it feels threatened.
Obviously unresponsive to the results of its responses.

Lipstick on a pig? Swine ought to sue.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 6, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

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Let's all review how this year, not decades ago. OBAMA REFUSED TO DISAVOW Rev. Wright and his BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY TEACHINGS.


What is worse is that Obama exposed his children to the HATE OF BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY FOR YEARS.


EXPOSED HIS CHILDREN TO THAT RACIST HATE UNTIL IT BECAME POLITICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR OBAMA TO CONTINUE TO BRING HIS CHILDREN TO THE RACIST CHURCH !


IF A WHITE candidate had a similar church, the Washignton Post would be railing against that candidate.


The bias is great, the racism is unbelievable. The media has given Obama so many passes.


Then they have to go and get some FALSE CHARGES FROM DECADES AGO.


Investigate Obama and his democratic friends in Chicago.


Investigate his friend REZKO who has been indicted and whose story much of America does not know.


Investigate all the connections between Michele Obama and Farrakhan.


BE SERIOUS MEDIA.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING DRINKING THE KOOL-AID OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN TALKING POINTS AS IF IT WERE TRUTH.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 6, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

During this time of crisis,where is our neocon/republican PRESIDENT? He should be on TV and radio everyday showing some leadership. But no, he is pulling a Sarah Palin on us. You might see and hear him; some times he might give you a wink or wave, BUT NO QUESTIONS PLEASE. Reason; he doesn't have any answeres for ya. After all, these problems are probally all in your heads. Other than FEAR and SMEAR, what do the neocons have to offer. NOTHING, absolutely, NOTHING !!! In the next group of leaders I want LEADERSHIP. I will be voting a straight democractic ticket this time.

Posted by: idallasj11 | October 6, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Shades of 1932?
The economy was in shambles just as it is now.
How many electoral votes did Hoover get? Wasn't it a total of four from New Hampshire? Will history repeat itself?

Posted by: schumann-bonn | October 6, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

lucy2008 -- well said!

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

This is great news about the electoral vote spread. This is a strong movement to return the rule of law and honor of the constitution to the government. The Democrats will win more seats and in January 2009 have the majority to override the fillibuster. They will be able to legislate change and to clean up and reconstruct government. The Bush/Cheney Republicans filled government departments with their policies, cronies and the unqualified Bushie Republican rabble. This caused government to not act or not work and caused consumers, the environment, and our economy to not be protected and managed. A travesty that we are paying for now.

I am a 52 yr old working mother that runs my own small business. I support whole heartedly the Obama/Biden ticket. My small business taxes and my personal taxes will not increase under their plan. Healthcare will be reformed and made workable for small businesses as well as the regular worker. This is a very good thing and superior to the McCain Republican policies.

I believe in capitalism, but with a bridle. A horse run wild won't go anywhere you want it to and right now we need a strong hand on that bridle as well as a strong focus to build a energetic and strong economy. Senator Obama has the endorsement of the most well-respected economists and has the best advisers available. That is the change I believe in.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse


Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
I'd flip Florida and North Carolina. It's pretty amazing to me that no one seems to be giving Sen. Obama a chance to win North Carolina when it's not only long been a tossup, but one where he's now ahead. We've got a great ground game, and with the explosion of the Raleigh-Durham area in recent years this is the year for the state to flip.
We won't trail in one more Florida poll before the election.
If we win this election by four or five points in the general (probable), then Missouri and Indiana go our way, too.
If we win by six or seven, so will Louisiana and Georgia, possibly even Montana and North Dakota.
This map is better than the last one, but I still think you should have been able to make more bold predictions only 29 days away from the election. A Blue tide is rising.
We're going to get to at least 60 seats in the Senate, and should pick up no less than 30 House seats.
Jimmy Dunphy

Posted by: jdunph1 | October 6, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I like it, but I'd probably flip Florida and Nevada.

Virginia just had two polls with double digit leads for Obama.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain I charge that you are no hero. You, Sir, are a coward, hiding behind a woman's skirts, akin to the despicable Saddam who hid behind the lives of innocent women and children.
You are no warrior, Sir, you are a petty coward. No warrior would cut and run, *throw in the white flag of surrender" like you did in Michigan, while accusing the opponent of surrendering to terrorists. You, Sir, can not even fight in your own back yard, let alone in far off land.
You, Sir, are dishonourable and a coward of the highest order. You can not look into the eyes of your own countryman and yet you can look into the eyes of Mr. Putin and read the letters KGB. When Mr. Obama addressed you directly, all you did was wiggle your eyebrows. Where was your courage at that point, the courage to look directly into the opponent's eyes? Heroes are not scared of looking into the adversary's eyes even at the point of death!
There is an old English saying "Breeding will show", and it has begun to show.

Posted by: zahid1 | October 6, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Little known fact: the names Bristol and Piper and the modern day equivalents of BamBam and Pebbles. Should that surprise anyone? I checked in out on the babblefish.com language translator.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin's character assassination is an open omission that they are certain they have lost the race on the issues. So long as people keep their eye on the ball, and don't allow themselves to be hoodwinked like they did in 2004, Obama is WILL be the President of the United States on January 20, 2009. That's not my view. That's McCain and Palin's view, as demonstrated by their actions. Watch how pathetic McCain will be in the final two debates. Maverick maverick POW POW Ayers Ayers Wright Wright. What about the economy? Glad you asked. Maverick maverick POW POW Ayers Ayers Wright Wright. And did I mention that Obama's a muslim who hangs out with terrorists? Don't believe me? Just ask hockey mawm.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Actor Jon Voight Was On Fox Last Night, He went nuts on Obama. Assuses him of all kinds of Crazy things. Watch his crazy rant at http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

thank you, iconoblater - this is worth repeating -
"Obama is intelligent and will prove to be more pragmatic than his detractors think. He isn't the answer to all prayers, but he's the only prayer we have, at this point, to get OUR COUNTRY BACK.

Republicans for Obama!"

It could read "People with any BRAIN left for Obama!"

When all the Republicans have left is to try and tear down a mans character, it's a pretty sad thing to watch. Lie after lie. McCain says little about his own plans - only smears for Obama. And Palin? Are you kidding? If any of you are taken in by this, you've had your chance for the past 8 years. Give us a smart President for a change - please!
Obama/Biden '08!

Posted by: sheridan1 | October 6, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

TIME TO RETIRE WITH WHATEVR IS LEFT OF YOUR DIGNITY,AND A GRACEFUL WAR
MONSIEUR MCCAIN.

OBAMA BIDEN 08!!!

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

pastor123, are you still undecided? The two candidates are such polar opposites, it is hard for many people to imagine how one could be undecided. I truly am interested in knowing what an undecided voter at this point is looking for that would tip the scale?

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

""Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

Wow, you are stupid. This quote means that most people would like to live in fear and have no rights because it is calm compared to the wavering of liberty and freedom. This quote is saying that freedom is a rollercoaster, with highs and lows, and most people would rather stay on the ground and be low all the time."

Had to come back and comment on this one.

My interpretation of this comment is that many people would rather have the easy route where the government make all their choices for them and take all responsibility rather than the "tempestuous sea of liberty" AKA having to earn your own living, make your own choices and deal with the consequences.

I guess everyone has their own interpretation though. Yours makes little to no sense to me but to each their own.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

""So Obama4tw I mean Independent4tw explain to me how our founding fathers were liberals who believed in big government and socialism?"

Our founding fathers beleive in liberty. Liberty is the fundalmental idea of Socialism. The idea that everyone is free from big government. Socialism is the idea that the few do not control the many."

Your misguided interpretation would earn you a slap in the face from the founding fathers if they could listen to your garbage. Liberty and socialism ARE AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER.

""Liberty is the fundalmental idea of Socialism. The idea that everyone is free from big government. Socialism is the idea that the few do not control the many.""

LMAO. You must be on crack. The only way to maintain socialism IS WITH BIG GOVERNMENT FORCING EVERYONE TO GIVE UP MOST OF WHAT THEY EARN AND REDISTRIBUTING IT ACCORDING TO HOW THEY SEE FIT.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Icono blah blah blah torture tactics. Are you really stupid enough to believe that hasn't gone on in the past. Maybe you need to get out of your bubble.

I never said I like GWB he is a neocon. Your notion of electing a socialist to get the country back is laughable.

Do you think we'll ever be able to take back the additional tax credits to people that already pay 0 taxes and the extra social programs? No because once people start suckling off the government teet you can't take it away. If you think he'll be "pragmatic" that is fine but I in no way see that happening.

The fact he ran for president this year instead of waiting until 2012 was pure greed. He figured Hillary would be president this year and he didn't want to have to wait until 2016. He is as dirty as the other politicians out there so expect the same from him as any other socialist democrat.

The democrats won't even take partial responsibility for the financial situation with their horrible Fannie/Freddie goals.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Seems the results are in, the most electable republican ticket would be Huckabee/Palin, not McCain/Palin this is according to a new poll at watchdebate.com nearly 4 to 1 people would preffer Huckabee/Palin over McCain/Palin. Ha The RNC got it way wrong this time.
http://www.mccanes.com/watchdebatevp.html

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"If someone who devotes their life to community service is a Socialist, is a Socialist a bad thing to be? No one is recommending we rewrite the Constitution, just make sure that the interests of the few don't outweigh the needs of the many..."
Posted by: AgnosticEngineer

This post is amazing coming from someone who lives in America, works in our free enterprise system. Did you not witness the Soviet Union? Did you not notice Cuba? Have you not seen the repression in North Korea? An American asking if being a socialist is a bad thing...are you on crack? The interests of what few? The needs of how many?

If you are supporting Obama, then the "needs of the many" will include ACORN. The group that is committing massive vote fraud as you read this. The group that was in the original "bailout" as presented by Barney Frank (another crook) to the tune of a half billion dollars. The group that along with Obama, Frank and company were responsible for bastardizing the Fannie & Freddie loan standards. These thugs even went to bankers homes to force small community banks to join in the bad credit orgy. The democrats make me sick when they try to pin this debacle on the republicans. Most of you are to stupid or to filled with hatred of Bush to see this. (Although, Bill Clinton did have the guts to acknowledge it just the other day.)

The constitution means nothing to these crooks. They will rewrite it and replace it with a "workers paradise" led by the "great leader" Obama.

ACORN is a group of crooks and thugs and Obama is right in the middle of this activity.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 6, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Nice "independent." You in NO WAY could relate liberalism and the founding fathers so you instead try distorting it and push it to McCain.

Guess what; the founding fathers were anti-socialist which makes them not liberals hence YOU WERE WRONG. Nice try to deflect the issue though.

Oh and we wouldn't have to bail out the financial firms if democrats had regulated Fannie/Freddie. But I guess getting poor and minorities homes was more important than a good economy. Here are some posts from the 2003 article with your great liberals talking about how solid Fannie/Freddie is and "how regulation would hurt these companies." Kinda takes the wind out of the sails of the democrat "republican deregulation argument."

2003 article -
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

''The current regulator does not have the tools, or the mandate, to adequately regulate these enterprises,'' Mr. Oxley said at the hearing. ''We have seen in recent months that mismanagement and questionable accounting practices went largely unnoticed by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight,'' the independent agency that now regulates the companies.

''These irregularities, which have been going on for several years, should have been detected earlier by the regulator,'' he added.

The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, which is part of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, was created by Congress in 1992 after the bailout of the savings and loan industry and concerns about regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which buy mortgages from lenders and repackage them as securities or hold them in their own portfolios.

Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Cryos, I have no reason to lie to you about my own party affiliation. I value my reputation for honesty...it certainly wouldn't be worth compromising my own integrity to LIE in order to reply to YOUR nonsense, and it is no way necessary. That you are unable to respond to my argument except by questioning my motives and my honesty only reveals the weakness of YOUR argument. But then, YOUR argument is an implicit defense of torture and police state tactics, and everything else Bush-Cheney have brought about... no wonder you indulge in ad homs instead of debate.

I'm a Republican. I believe in limited government, personal liberty and responsibility, and RULE OF LAW. Bush the Lesser has diminished ALL these values, lied to us, put our nation deeper into debt and at greater risk, and has instituted programs every bit as socialist (or even fascist) as those any of his opponents have advanced (from the drug benefit boondoggle to this latest bail-out of bankers). Oh PLEASE get a clue. Nothing Obama can do, as a Liberal Democrat, can be worse, and at the least any damage his government does thereby will be attributed to the policies that actually did the damage, instead of being easily blamed on someone or something else.

Bush is no traditional conservative. Look at the budget and the defecit if you think so. And McCain is just more of the same (or worse, we'll get Taliban Palin, with her witch-hunter preachers and "I-Love-Armageddon" religion).

Obama is intelligent and will prove to be more pragmatic than his detractors think. He isn't the answer to all prayers, but he's the only prayer we have, at this point, to get OUR COUNTRY BACK.

Republicans for Obama!

Posted by: Iconoblaster | October 6, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Voters have been trending toward Obama for weeks now, but the MSM is just catching up after its infatuation with all things Palin. Palin's shallow, self-serving slimefest of this weekend only highlighted how out of touch she and her bossman McCain really are. Voters do not care at all about Obama's associations with people who were activists when he was eight years old.

Voters DO care about who can best manage the economy and the international impact of our declining financial markets.

Obama is the thoughtful, concise, intelligent, and careful steward of our national fortunes that we need in perilous times. McCain is a person of limited intellect and economic experience whose erratic and angry behavior over the past weeks has eliminated him from serious consideration.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: dee5 | October 6, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"So Obama4tw I mean Independent4tw explain to me how our founding fathers were liberals who believed in big government and socialism?"

Our founding fathers beleive in liberty. Liberty is the fundalmental idea of Socialism. The idea that everyone is free from big government. Socialism is the idea that the few do not control the many.

Your comment makes no sense. It is like saying, "tell me how the people think the world is round and flat."

You just do not understand that socialism and liberty and freedom are not bad things. I'm sure you listen to too many idiots that use these words like weapons. The true meaning gets lost in time.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

...So, 40 year old history is now news....The Vietnam War as a travesty in this nation back then, so when the RNC/GOP lie machine are unable to talk about the real problems that need to be discussed, economy, health care, war, unemployment, aids, they come up with this crapola....

peeeuuu Palin should keep her idiotic and repetitive mouth shut...with her Caribou Barbie pull string in her back....

What about news from just 2 weeks ago....

Katie: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part as your foreign policy experience, what do you mean by that?

Sarah: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side... the land... uhh boundary... that we have with uhhh Canada. It it it's fff-funny that a comment like that was uh kind of made to...... uhh... character.......uhh......I don't know.....you know.......reporters...

Katie: Mocked?

Sarah: Yeah, mocked. I guess that's the word. Yeah. umm....

Katie: Well, explain to why that enhances your foreign policy credentials?

Sarah: Well, it certainly does. Because our......our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They are in the state that I am the executive of.

Katie: Have you ever been in an negotiations for example with the Russians

Sarah: We have trade missions back and forth we... we... It's very important when you even consider nation security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and and uh comes into the a a a air space of the United States of America wh wh where do they go? It's Alaska, it's just right over the border. It it is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that.... an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there they are right next to umm our state.

....What about the Keating five in 1988 20-year-old story when McCaint was 52...

The story may be old, but it's recently become surprisingly relevant to current events -- we are, after all, talking about a scandal involving major bank failures, financial fraud and greed, and political ineptitude.

There is history repeating itself 20 years later....

McCaint is running with a message about his ability to "reform" both DC and Wall Street record.

I agree with Jack Cafferty at CNN and his take on that CBS Interview...

Watch that report @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

McCaint is no hero...but peeeuuu Palin is a hero sandwich...full of old baloney
.......and a witch doctor in her closet

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 6, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."

Well, the republican government was not "wis and frugal" or they would have spent 800 billion dollars they didn't have. And that part, "shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned" is exactly opposite of the "trickle down" economy. So this supports Obama more then McCain.

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

The more EXPERIENCE you have in charge the more CORRUPT you become. That makes sense, look at McCain's 26 years and how he wants to give our money to the rich. Seems like a tyrant to me.

"I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive."

You not that our government deregulated the loans for the poor. Actually, John McCain's lobbyist campaigners deregulated the loan industry so that the STOCK PRICES would go up. They never cared what would happen to the poor people who took the loans. That is why the economy is screwed.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

How many times can you misunderstand these quotes? This is saying the government should not spend the peoples money and tell them that they need to spend it. Kinda like spending 10 billion dollars in Iraq for no reason. Or the 700 billion dollar bailout, or the bridge to know where. All things that republicans love to do.

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

I agree. So why does McCain want to govern our right of choice?

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Like GWB spending 6/12 months on vacation. Or McCain, who needs 20 hours a day of sleep.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

Wow, you are stupid. This quote means that most people would like to live in fear and have no rights because it is calm compared to the wavering of liberty and freedom. This quote is saying that freedom is a rollercoaster, with highs and lows, and most people would rather stay on the ground and be low all the time.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Philamike you've only been embarressing yourself. You haven't been posting any facts and are talking in ghetto speak so don't think you've had any impact on what I'm going to say.

I care only for people that post fact related information.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

So Obama4tw I mean Independent4tw explain to me how our founding fathers were liberals who believed in big government and socialism?

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"Obama what about economy—the higher taxes..what about foreclosures?–Higher taxes will work? what about healthcare–the higher taxes? Iraq, Gas, unemployment–Higher taxes?taxes….taxes…taxes….Lamobama…."


Obama is only for raising taxes on those making >$250,000/year. That amounts to 95% of working Americans and most small businesses.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccains_small-business_bunk.html

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I am going to stop posting because I want to save pro36 and Cryos from further embarrassing themselves. I would only note the absurdity of Palin going after Obama based on his minister. Palin's chuch is populated with certified nut cases (Palin included). They actually believe that the Flintstones was a real life show not a cartoon. Forget Iraq. Forget Afghanistan. Forget terrorists. They're worried about dinosaurs attacking us! (Dinosaurs couldn't have died out; remember, there's no such thing as Darwinism). Palin's an embarrassment to hockey mawms everywhere. Not to mention pit bulls.

P.S. pro36, when to turn someone's post around on them, but you do it by exactly quoting them, what that shows is that you lack intelligence and creativity. But we already knew that. My condolences to your kids, if you have any. They're at a severe disadvatage in the gene pool. No wonder people like Sarah believei in creationism not Darwinism.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

pro36, repeating the false claims about Islam only reveals gnorance.

First among the "Five Pillars of Islam" (the most fundamental requirements of that religion) is the declaration of faith. To DENY being a Muslim is, for a REAL Muslim, just about the worst possible crime. There is only one recognized excuse for such a denial, and that is, if a person is threatened with DEATH if he admits his faith, he may deny it to preserve his life.

Therefore, under ANY other circumstances (such as a political campaign), the simple denial that one is a Muslim is proof beyond rational doubt that he is NOT, in fact, a Muslim. Of course, this argument will have no impact on people who are too partisan or too racist to be rational.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | October 6, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh please iconoblaster. If you are a republican (real republican not neocon) you couldn't vote for a socialist so save your false crap for people that are dumb enough to believe it.

Yeah I guess Obama voting 97% PARTY LINE AND BEING THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR IS IRRELEVANT.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"The United States of America, where we don't torture prisoners, or spy on our own citizens like a police state, or invade foreign nations that pose no threat to us and have never attacked us, where we take care of our OWN people, instead of funding idiot adventures abroad."

Great post, I had a laugh!

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"Our founding fathers were Liberals. I'm glad that you hold my comments on such high standards."

Not the modern liberals. Modern liberals are nothing more than power grubbing lawyers using socialism as a way to get more power. Liberalism has been lost in the misguided pursuit of the liberal idealist eutopia RELIGION.

Here let me post some Thomas Jefferson quotes and lets see if you think he would be "liberal." FYI the founding fathers were very anti-socialist which is EXACTLY what liberals have become. It is obvious you have no knowledge of the basic principles the US is supposed to be founded on.

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."----------Hmmmm sounds the opposite of socialism to me. Not so liberal?

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."---------IE keep small government. Hmmmm again not so liberal

"I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive."-------------Hmmm again not liberal. An 'energetic government' is what got us into this mess by changing loan standards so "poor people and minorities" could get homes.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."------Once again anti-socialist AKA not liberal.

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."----Socialism in a nutshell.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"No Independent4tw.All facts about muslim communist criminal Obama will be available soon.On a large scale u liberals have no facts.Everything from u is just made up stuff"

I wouldn't hold your breath.

I am still waiting for the perpectual motion machines on youtube.

Turns out they are fakes.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

No Independent4tw.All facts about muslim communist criminal Obama will be available soon.On a large scale u liberals have no facts.Everything from u is just made up stuff

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse
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pro36--you make your party look bad. I truly think McCain and Palin would not want you speaking out on their behalf. You just come across as ignorant and uninformed on the issues.

Your "Communist" and "Muslim" name-calling tactics are the same sad game plans your dishonorable heroes are attempting--skirting the REAL issues and relying on smear schemes.

Posted by: jagner6 | October 6, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"No Independent4tw. I meant-Liberal-traitor-Obama"

Obama is a liberal traitor.

He is liberal because he doesn't want a select few to run everyones lives. He is as liberal as George Gashington.

He is a traitor because most politicians get their power from lobbyists and big corporations. These lobbyists pay the politicans to act like puppets. He is a traitor because he will not work for the big corporations, he works for the American citizens.

See, I can take your one sentence statements and make them look like real arguments.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

pro36 and cryos,

You both have no facts to back up anything worth mentioning. It must be hard being so for McCain, and his awful policies, because he is losing so badly.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

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No Independent4tw.All facts about muslim communist criminal Obama will be available soon.On a large scale u liberals have no facts.Everything from u is just made up stuff

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey agnosticengineer---Warren Buffett supports Obama. So what!

Obama is also supported by George Soros, The PLO, Lybia, Saudi Arabia, Hugo Chavez.

Obama does not need financial advice..he is a crook involved with ACORN who extorts plenty of money from dumbass CEO's to timid to throw them out of their offices. The same model Jesse Jackson has used. So as long as there are gullible people like you, these parasites will prosper.

If we let them get into the white house, then our country will be turned into a "workers paradise" not unlike Cuba or China.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

It's so refreshing to see all the Obama supporters (which is the majority here) backing him up with FACTS. I went to the Bruce Springsteen free concert at Ohio State University yesterday and was so inspired by the message of the campaign. It was so great to see little children, elderly people, black people, white people and every color in between, gay people, straight people, men and women gathering together to fight for a common cause. That's what I want my America to look like--the true melting pot that it is.

I called my Dad afterward and told him (he's a staunch Republican) how inspired I was. I'm 24 and was explaining to him that what's going on now in this election is like what the younger generation in the '60s experienced, in my opinion. We're all fighting for our country now and it's for such a great cause. I'm truly inspired by this campaign and all the people who are gathering together to turn this country around.

The only thing that was disappointing were the McCain/Palin supporters standing around and literally yelling at people who were at the concert. They were acting like 5 year olds who didn't get their way. The highlight of the concert was a group of Obama supporters who circled around the protesters, held hands and chanted Obama's name.

I'm so grateful to Obama and Biden and all the supporters out there who are inspiring me like I've never been inspired before and are giving me a reason to fight and turn our country around to the House of Dreams it once used to be.

Obama/Biden '08!!!!!

Posted by: jagner6 | October 6, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Its amusing to think that Cryos imagines his criticism to be persuasive. When one intersperses absurd falsehoods (such as the claim that Ayers was Obama's "mentor") with inane "statistics" (Obama's voting record is "97% liberal"), nobody is likely to be fooled. The patent lies reveal too much about the purported statistics.

It is time for a change. The only way for traditional Republicans to get our party back from the nutcase Neocons is to deny their current standard-bearer the White House...which is also the only way for loyal Americans to get our COUNTRY back: you remember - The United States of America, where we don't torture prisoners, or spy on our own citizens like a police state, or invade foreign nations that pose no threat to us and have never attacked us, where we take care of our OWN people, instead of funding idiot adventures abroad.

Republicans for Obama!

Posted by: Iconoblaster | October 6, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Southern-man great post. It's too bad the MSM can't report the obvious facts in the housing problem since they're in the tank for Obama.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

No Independent4tw. I meant-Liberal-traitor-Obama

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Palin is now going after Obama based on Jeremiah Wright
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Too bad the repubs already over-played their hands on this months ago.

So while we are on the subject of Pastors, perhaps Palin's "witch hunter" Pastor ought to debate Rev. Wright, in fact they should throw in Rev. Hagee too while they are at it.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 6, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

pro36 and cryos,

You both have no facts to back up anything worth mentioning. It must be hard being so for McCain, and his awful policies, because he is losing so badly.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

You would really think these posters like PhilaMike would give up and find another site since they have proven themselves to lack any gray cells whatsoever. But they're so dumb (I guess PhilaMike didn't complete grade school) that they will keep reinforcing their stupidity with further idiotic posts. This is fun.

I love to turn some posts against the idiots that wrote them

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's a sleeper. Say 'Comrad Barack Hussein Obama'"

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Yes, it is all part of an ingenious, elaborate muslim plot except that they forgot to change his name.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 6, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin is now going after Obama based on Jeremiah Wright. They very thing McCain said he would never do. The jury is in: Palin is nothing but a c-u-n-t.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"Independent4tw how about this way-"I dumb. I don't know what to say because you are smart. I don't want to feel inferior, so instead of researching anything to back up my statements, i will simply insult you. Maybe if I insult you, you will go on the defense, and I will not look as dumb as I am. I am a LIBERAL, and this is how we do things."

omg, ouch, you called me liberal. I don't think I will be able to sleep at night now.

Liberal, to me, means, "a person who wants to be free from control or restrictions." So you basicly said that I like freedom, or that I am American.

Our founding fathers were Liberals. I'm glad that you hold my comments on such high standards.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

You would really think these posters like pro36 and Cryos would give up and find another site since they have proven themselves to lack any gray cells whatsoever. But they're so dumb (I guess pro36 didn't complete grade school) that they will keep reinforcing their stupidity with further idiotic posts. This is fun.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Cryos, we have as much "trash heap" as the third world. We're just not as poor. Just cuz you're rich doesn't mean you're not trash. Just look at Palin ("teenage pregnancy is a family value to be admired") winkin' achya.

Take this post back to the ghetto. Guess what life isn't a rap video where you "look hard" and walk around with your pants halfway down. People actually have to WORK for a living and speak good english. Let me guess you work a dead end job somewhere and think because you have rims and a system on a POS car you're badazz.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"At least Palin doesn't look like James Brown wearing a dress."

That matters because you vote for what people look like istead of what they know and the decisions they make.

You voting system is stuck in "highschool prom queen" mode.

Let us know when you graduate highschool and your voting system moves to "Great world leader" mode.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Now these same Democrats want to do another high risk "community service," social engineering experiment. They want to elect a high-risk, low experience, socialist one of the same community organizers that created the mess to be our next president. We cannot experiment with the office of president and learn as we go. Barack Obama is not qualified and has no history of success as a leader in government or business."


Funny you think so. Warren Buffet, billionaire investor, has full faith in Obama. So much so, that he has endorsed him and offered his personal financial advise...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 6, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Independent4tw how about this way-"I dumb. I don't know what to say because you are smart. I don't want to feel inferior, so instead of researching anything to back up my statements, i will simply insult you. Maybe if I insult you, you will go on the defense, and I will not look as dumb as I am. I am a LIBERAL, and this is how we do things."

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Read the policies, make a decision on the policies. If Obama's friends had any impact on what Obama wants to do as president, his policies would reflect it."

Well lets see his mentors were marxist and his voting record is pretty much the same. The great "bipartisan uniter" is the most liberal senator with a 97% party line vote and was more liberal than most in the Chicago senate. I would say that marxist/communist mentors like Ayers do reflect on his policies.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

At least Palin doesn't look like James Brown wearing a dress.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"PhilaMike go f..k yourself.I dont care.Your Obama is the same scumbag like you"

I read this statement as:

"I dumb. I don't know what to say because you are smart. I don't want to feel inferior, so instead of researching anything to back up my statements, i will simply insult you. Maybe if I insult you, you will go on the defense, and I will not look as dumb as I am. I am a republican, and this is how we do things."

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

pro36, ROLF Hahahahahahaha! You are a riot!!!!!!!

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

PhilaMike go f..k yourself.I dont care.Your Obama is the same scumbag like you

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Just like Sarah Palin, you are asked to give a specific example of something to back up your comment, and all you get is more of the same BS."


What did you expect? An articulate and intelligent response?

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 6, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I know the "C" word is a very distasteful thing to call a woman. But sometimes it's perfectly descriptive and can't be matched. Sarah Palin personifies it.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's a sleeper. Say 'Comrad Barack Hussein Obama'"

If either is a sleeper cell, I'd bet on McCain. It is obvious that McCain is not that bright, maybe he was reprogrammed while he was a POW. Once he becomes president th eprogramming will come out, and he will try to destroy the economy.

O, wait, he is already trying to destroy the economy. He is doing it right in front of your eyes, and telling you to look the other way, at Obama's "friends."

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

pro36, I have seen hundreds of idiots posting on these types of sites, but you reign supreme in the idiocy department. Did you actually manage to graduate from grade school?

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Obama Associates and His Campaign Advisor Jim Johnson Allegedly Cooked Fannie Books"


There is an FBI investigation looking into any wrongdoing. Anyone that is accountable will be brought to justice.

People also like to overlook the published fact that most of Obama's "Fannie and Freddie" contributions were from EMPLOYEES (a.k.a. working class). The executives felt that certain other US Senators were more important to court...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 6, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"Well...what we need to know is that Obama is the muslim communist with acommunist agenda for this great country.He is the best friend of the terrorists.Do we need the muslim communist terrorist in our WH?"

Actually, what we need to know is that there are idiots in American that THINK Obama is a Muslim and that is proof enough for them to rant about how much they hate him. The FACT is these people have no education and no facts to back up thier OPINIONS. These people, like the person who commented above, need to get a political education and realize that politics is more then spreading rumors.

Read the policies, make a decision on the policies. If Obama's friends had any impact on what Obama wants to do as president, his policies would reflect it. Considering that every policy that McCain has is inferior to Obama's, I guess McCain has worse friends.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Since McCain's bright eceonomic policy is four more years of the Bush tax cuts, his campaign should well be called NO FUTURE

Posted by: nclwtk | October 6, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse


Pro36,

"PhilaMike . Give me one thing Michelle has said or done that's trashy? EVERYTHING!!!Every time Michelle opens her mouth, trash comes out. Racism ??? U are retard and I dont care about this low BS"

Just like Sarah Palin, you are asked to give a specific example of something to back up your comment, and all you get is more of the same BS.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Well...what we need to know is that Obama is the muslim communist with acommunist agenda for this great country.He is the best friend of the terrorists.Do we need the muslim communist terrorist in our WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"Obama's a sleeper. Say 'Comrad Barack Hussein Obama'"


Brilliant strategy to keep his REAL name (that bigots use to imply guilt by "name association"), to be raised by a loving white family, to attend a Christian church (and not pray 5 times a day toward Mecca), attend law school, serve as President of Harvard Law, serve as a community organizer and activist, serve as a Illinois state Senator, and serve as a US Senator.


If someone who devotes their life to community service is a Socialist, is a Socialist a bad thing to be? No one is recommending we rewrite the Constitution, just make sure that the interests of the few don't outweigh the needs of the many...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 6, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

First we need to pay attention to the sham of democracy going on in OHIO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmn1PDULdNY

Posted by: mjno | October 6, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

pro36, yeah right.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are simply too proud to admit that their party, through George and now McSame, has, in the words of George Carlin, "fuucked them in the a-s-s." Pride is an overpowering emotion, so don't expect them to ever admit they were fooled and to regret it. They would rather follow McCain to hell while continuing to insist they are right because of their "values" than admit they were wrong and were screwed by their so-called "leaders."

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

PhilaMike . Give me one thing Michelle has said or done that's trashy? EVERYTHING!!!Every time Michelle opens her mouth, trash comes out. Racism ??? U are retard and I dont care about this low BS

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"papasmoke" posted some New York Times crap herein.

Hey dufus, do you think that that rag paper has any association with the truth?
Do you think they may be in the tank for Obama? Do you think they would print anything that does not reflect the socialist viewpoint? And if they did, why would it show up on page "last"?

Mr. Obama knows a great deal about the financial mess. He is a central figure in the exploitation of financial institutions and pressuring them to make high risk loans. Obama is the second largest recipient of donations on the list at Fannie Mae. Obama has questionable ties to Fannie Mae Executives led by Clinton's former budget director Franklin Raines, recipient of a $1Million Fannie Mae bonus and Obama's campaign advisor Jim Johnson.
Obama Associates and His Campaign Advisor Jim Johnson Allegedly Cooked Fannie Books
Raines and Johnson took Clinton's risky gamble and then rolled the dice. The pair allegedly cooked the books at Fannie, issued countless dubious mortgages, and then took huge bonuses before leaving the company.
Democrats have long been knowledgeable and responsible as seen in an article of the September 30, 1999 edition of the New York Times:
"In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders."
"The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring. "
"Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits."
The high-risk subprime mortgage social engineering community service experiment by left-wing Democrats and Obama has created the largest financial crisis since The Great Depression. The full reach of the corruption and scandal may never be known but those who created it must not be rewarded. The architects, primarily left-wing Democrats, created laws, took donations, looked the other way and actively blocked Republican attempts to avoid the known problems.
Now these same Democrats want to do another high risk "community service," social engineering experiment. They want to elect a high-risk, low experience, socialist one of the same community organizers that created the mess to be our next president. We cannot experiment with the office of president and learn as we go. Barack Obama is not qualified and has no history of success as a leader in government or business.

So go over to the Daily KOS to rant your leftist crap. You won't find disagreement there.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 6, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey pro36:

If you build yourself a tree house and live there you don't have to pay taxes.
Wanna do your share to reduce taxes? How about volunteering to go to Iraq, with your own gun and flack jacket - you'll save some serious recruiting and materiel expenses for the Pentagon

Posted by: VMR1 | October 6, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

pro36, you have it backwards. Every time Palin opens her mouth, trash comes out. Give me one thing Michelle has said or done that's trashy. Take your racism somewhere else.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.

Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
*********** ************* ************** *********** ***********
Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk

Posted by: popasmoke | October 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Cryos, we have as much "trash heap" as the third world. We're just not as poor. Just cuz you're rich doesn't mean you're not trash. Just look at Palin ("teenage pregnancy is a family value to be admired") winkin' achya. You can put lipstick on a sleazy biitch, but she's still a sleazy biitch. Did I mention she and McCain are mavericks. Ha! They are pathetic slime. But you should still be proud, since they're not socialists.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Mccainsworld you are the idiot like your Obama.Nobody reading posts this long.F..k off

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

This campaign is amusing. Michelle Obama , basically Soth side Chicago trash, being condescending toward Palin. Someone had it right

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey pro36:

Please define the term "great country" and how objective (or subjective) a definition that might that be in terms of banal erudition of the "greatness is in the eye of the beholder" biblical paraphrase or in a sense that the criteria of utopian subjectivism do not purport to be the political prerogatives of the political taxonomy of the socialist and/or communist ideologies. Doggonit!


Posted by: VMR1 | October 6, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

GOP Congressman Tom Davis of Virginia said it best: "The GOP brand is in the trash can. If we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf."

It is so bad that more than 10 percent of the GOP members of the US Senate aren't even bothering to attend their own GOP convention. They recognize BAD dog food when they see or smell it.

Vote Early - Obama/Biden08

Posted by: Mccainsworld | October 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Obama what about economy—the higher taxes..what about foreclosures?–Higher taxes will work? what about healthcare–the higher taxes? Iraq, Gas, unemployment–Higher taxes?taxes….taxes…taxes….Lamobama….

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

This campaign is amusing. Sarah Palin, basically trailer trash, being condescending toward Joe Biden. Someone had it right. "Cheney without the dick"

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

You can't just play defense against smears, pointing out how they aren't true. You've got to play offense, too, exposing the whole cynical game for what it is: an attempt to keep us from talking about the real issues and ultimately changing our country for the better.

The Republicans have nothing to run on, no ideas to push, no solutions for America. They'll run a campaign of laughable gimmicks and outright distortions and lies. But we can fight back with the truth - and the truth can win this time.

Vote Ealry - Obama/Biden08

Posted by: Mccainsworld | October 6, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Mr McCain what about economy—the surge worked..what about foreclosures?–the surge worked? what about healthcare–the surge worked? Iraq, Gas, unemployment–the surge worked…
Surge….Surge…surge….McDumb….

Posted by: Mccainsworld | October 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse


JOHN MCCAIN LEADER OR MADMAN
YOU BE THE JUDGE.

WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain arrived late at his Senate office on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. “This is war,” he murmured to his aides. The sound of scrambling fighter planes rattled the windows, sending a tremor of panic through the room.


Erik Jacobs for The New York Times
John McCain said he had consulted Henry A. Kissinger on foreign policy before and after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Within hours, Mr. McCain, the Vietnam War hero and famed straight talker of the 2000 Republican primary, had taken on a new role: the leading advocate of taking the American retaliation against Al Qaeda far beyond Afghanistan. In a marathon of television and radio appearances, Mr. McCain recited a short list of other countries said to support terrorism, invariably including Iraq, Iran and Syria.

“There is a system out there or network, and that network is going to have to be attacked,” Mr. McCain said the next morning on ABC News. “It isn’t just Afghanistan,” he added, on MSNBC. “I don’t think if you got bin Laden tomorrow that the threat has disappeared,” he said on CBS, pointing toward other countries in the Middle East.

Within a month he made clear his priority. “Very obviously Iraq is the first country,” he declared on CNN. By Jan. 2, Mr. McCain was on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, yelling to a crowd of sailors and airmen: “Next up, Baghdad!”

Now, as Mr. McCain prepares to accept the Republican presidential nomination, his response to the attacks of Sept. 11 opens a window onto how he might approach the gravest responsibilities of a potential commander in chief. Like many, he immediately recalibrated his assessment of the unseen risks to America’s security. But he also began to suggest that he saw a new “opportunity” to deter other potential foes by punishing not only Al Qaeda but also Iraq.

“Just as Sept. 11 revolutionized our resolve to defeat our enemies, so has it brought into focus the opportunities we now have to secure and expand our freedom,” Mr. McCain told a NATO conference in Munich in early 2002, urging the Europeans to join what he portrayed as an all but certain assault on Saddam Hussein. “A better world is already emerging from the rubble.”

To his admirers, Mr. McCain’s tough response to Sept. 11 is at the heart of his appeal. They argue that he displayed the same decisiveness again last week in his swift calls to penalize Russia for its incursion into Georgia, in part by sending peacekeepers to police its border.

His critics charge that the emotion of Sept. 11 overwhelmed his former cool-eyed caution about deploying American troops without a clear national interest and a well-defined exit, turning him into a tool of the Bush administration in its push for a war to transform the region.

“He has the personality of a fighter pilot: when somebody stings you, you want to strike out,” said retired Gen. John H. Johns, a former friend and supporter of Mr. McCain who turned against him over the Iraq war. “Just like the American people, his reaction was: show me somebody to hit.”

Whether through ideology or instinct, though, Mr. McCain began making his case for invading Iraq to the public more than six months before the White House began to do the same. He drew on principles he learned growing up in a military family and on conclusions he formed as a prisoner in North Vietnam. He also returned to a conviction about “the common identity” of dangerous autocracies as far-flung as Serbia and North Korea that he had developed consulting with hawkish foreign policy thinkers to help sharpen the themes of his 2000 presidential campaign.

While pushing to take on Saddam Hussein, Mr. McCain also made arguments and statements that he may no longer wish to recall. He lauded the war planners he would later criticize, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney. (Mr. McCain even volunteered that he would have given the same job to Mr. Cheney.) He urged support for the later-discredited Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi’s opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, and echoed some of its suspect accusations in the national media. And he advanced misleading assertions not only about Mr. Hussein’s supposed weapons programs but also about his possible ties to international terrorists, Al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.

Five years after the invasion of Iraq, Mr. McCain’s supporters note that he became an early critic of the administration’s execution of the occupation, and they credit him with pushing the troop “surge” that helped bring stability. Mr. McCain, though, stands by his support for the war and expresses no regrets about his advocacy.

In written answers to questions, he blamed “Iraq’s opacity under Saddam” for any misleading remarks he made about the peril it posed.

The Sept. 11 attacks “demonstrated the grave threat posed by a hostile regime, possessing weapons of mass destruction, and with reported ties to terrorists,” Mr. McCain wrote in an e-mail message on Friday. Given Mr. Hussein’s history of pursuing illegal weapons and his avowed hostility to the United States, “his regime posed a threat we had to take seriously.” The attacks were still a reminder, Mr. McCain added, of the importance of international action “to prevent outlaw states — like Iran today — from developing weapons of mass destruction.”

Formative Years

Mr. McCain has been debating questions about the use of military force far longer than most. He grew up in a family that had sent a son to every American war since 1776, and international relations were a staple of the McCain family dinner table. Mr. McCain grew up listening to his father, Adm. John S. McCain Jr., deliver lectures on “The Four Ocean Navy and the Soviet Threat,” closing with a slide of an image he considered the ultimate factor in the balance of power: a soldier marching through a rice paddy with a rifle at his shoulder.

“To quote Sherman, war is all hell and we need to fight it out and get it over with and that is when the killing stops,” recalled Joe McCain, Senator McCain’s younger brother.

Vietnam, for Senator McCain, reinforced those lessons. He has often said he blamed the Johnson administration’s pause in bombing for prolonging the war, and he credited President Richard M. Nixon’s renewed attacks with securing his release from a North Vietnamese prison. He has made the principle that the exercise of military power sets the bargaining table for international relations a consistent theme of his career ever since, and in his 2002 memoir he wrote that one of his lifelong convictions was “the imperative that American power never retreat in response to an inferior adversary’s provocation.”


But Mr. McCain also took away from Vietnam a second, restraining lesson: the necessity for broad domestic support for any military action. For years he opposed a string of interventions — in Lebanon, Haiti, Somalia, and, for a time, the Balkans — on the grounds that the public would balk at the loss of life without clear national interests. “The Vietnam thing,” he recently said.

In the late 1990s, however, while he was beginning to consider his 2000 presidential race, he started rebalancing his view of the needs to project American strength and to sustain public support. The 1995 massacre of 5,000 unarmed Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica under NATO’s watch struck at his conscience, he has said, and in addition to America’s strategic national interests — in that case, the future and credibility of NATO — Mr. McCain began to speak more expansively about America’s moral obligations as the only remaining superpower.

His aides say he later described the American air strikes in Bosnia in 1996 and in Kosovo in 1999 as a parable of political leadership: Mr. McCain, Senator Bob Dole and others had rallied Congressional support for the strikes despite widespread public opposition, then watched approval soar after the intervention helped to bring peace.

“Americans elect their leaders to make these kinds of judgments,” Mr. McCain said in the e-mail message.

It was during the Balkan wars that Mr. McCain and his advisers read a 1997 article on the Wall Street Journal editorial page by William Kristol and David Brooks of The Weekly Standard — both now Op-Ed page columnists at The New York Times — promoting the idea of “national greatness” conservatism, defined by a more activist agenda at home and a more muscular role in the world.

“I wouldn’t call it a ‘eureka’ moment, but there was a sense that this is where we are headed and this is what we are trying to articulate and they have already done a lot of the work,” said John Weaver, a former McCain political adviser. “And, quite frankly, from a crass political point of view, we were in the making-friends business. The Weekly Standard represented a part of the primary electorate that we could get.”

Soon Mr. McCain and his aides were consulting regularly with the circle of hawkish foreign policy thinkers sometimes referred to as neoconservatives — including Mr. Kristol, Robert Kagan and Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Mr. Dole who became a McCain campaign adviser — to develop the senator’s foreign policy ideas and instincts into the broad themes of a presidential campaign. (In his e-mail message, Mr. McCain noted that he had also consulted with friends like Henry A. Kissinger, known for a narrower view of American interests.)

One result was a series of speeches in which Mr. McCain called for “rogue state rollback.” He argued that disparate regional troublemakers, including Iraq, North Korea and Serbia, bore a common stamp: they were all autocracies. And as such, he contended, they were more likely to export terrorism, spread dangerous weapons, or start ethnic conflicts. In an early outline of what would become his initial response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. McCain argued that “swift and sure” retribution against any one of the rogue states was an essential deterrent to any of the others. But Mr. McCain’s advisers and aides say his “rogue state” speeches stopped short of the most sweeping international agenda put forth by Mr. Kristol, Mr. Kagan and their allies. Mr. McCain explicitly disavowed direct military action merely to advance American values, foreswearing any “global crusade” of interventions in favor of relying on covert and financial support for internal opposition groups.

As an example, he could point to his 1998 sponsorship of the Iraqi Liberation Act, which sought to direct nearly $100 million to Iraqis who hoped to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The bill, signed by President Bill Clinton, also endorsed the ouster of Mr. Hussein.

Mr. McCain said then that he doubted the United States could muster the political will to use ground troops to remove the Iraqi dictator any time soon. “It was much easier when Saddam Hussein was occupying Kuwait and threatening Saudi Arabia,” the senator told Fox News in November 1998. “We’d have to convince the American people that it’s worth again the sacrifice of American lives, because that would also be part of the price.”

Hard Calls

Mr. McCain spent the afternoon of Sept. 11 in a young aide’s studio apartment near the Capitol. There was no cable television, nothing but water in the kitchen, and the hallway reminded him of an old boxing gym. Evacuated from his office but stranded by traffic, he could not resist imagining himself at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. “There are not enough Secret Service agents in the world to keep me away from Washington and New York at a time like this,” Mr. McCain told an adviser.


Over the next days and weeks, however, Mr. McCain became almost as visible as he would have been as president. Broadcasters rushed to him as a patriotic icon and reassuring voice, and for weeks he was ubiquitous on the morning news programs, Sunday talk shows, cable news networks, and even late-night comedy shows.

In the spotlight, he pushed rogue state rollback one step further, arguing that the United States should go on the offensive as a warning to any other country that might condone such an attack. “These networks are well-embedded in some of these countries,” Mr. McCain said on Sept. 12, listing Iraq, Iran and Syria as potential targets of United States pressure. “We’re going to have to prove to them that we are very serious, and the price that they will pay will not only be for punishment but also deterrence.”

Although he had campaigned for President Bush during the 2000 general election, he was still largely frozen out of the White House because of animosities left over from the Republican primary. But after Mr. Bush declared he would hold responsible any country condoning terrorism, Mr. McCain called his leadership “magnificent” and his national security team the strongest “that has ever been assembled.” A few weeks later, Larry King of CNN asked whether he would have named Mr. Rumsfeld and Colin L. Powell to a McCain cabinet. “Oh, yes, and Cheney,” Mr. McCain answered, saying he, too, would have offered Mr. Cheney the vice presidency.

Even during the heat of the war in Afghanistan, Mr. McCain kept an eye on Iraq. To Jay Leno in mid-September, Mr. McCain said he believed “some other countries” had assisted Osama bin Laden, going on to suggest Iraq, Syria and Iran as potential suspects. In October 2001, when an Op-Ed page column in The New York Times speculated that Iraq, Russia or some other country might bear responsibility for that month’s anthrax mailings, Mr. McCain interrupted a question about Afghanistan from David Letterman on that night’s “Late Show.” “The second phase is Iraq,” Mr. McCain said, adding, “Some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.” (The Federal Bureau of Investigation says it came from a federal government laboratory in Maryland.) By October, United States and foreign intelligence agencies had said publicly that they doubted any cooperation between Mr. Hussein and Al Qaeda, noting Al Qaeda’s opposition to such secular nationalists. American intelligence officials soon declared that Mr. Hussein had not supported international terrorism for nearly a decade.

But when the Czech government said that before the attacks, one of the 9/11 hijackers had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence official, Mr. McCain seized the report as something close to a smoking gun. “The evidence is very clear,” he said three days later, in an Oct. 29 television interview. (Intelligence agencies quickly cast doubt on the meeting.)

Frustrated by the dearth of American intelligence about Iraq, Mr. McCain’s aides say, he had long sought to learn as much as he could from Iraqi opposition figures in exile, including Mr. Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. Over the years, Mr. McCain often urged support for the group, saying it had “significant support, in my view, inside Iraq.”

After Sept. 11, Mr. Chalabi’s group said an Iraqi emissary had once met with Osama bin Laden, and brought forward two Iraqi defectors who described terrorist training camps and biological weapons efforts. At times, Mr. McCain seemed to echo their accusations, citing the “two defectors” in a television interview and attesting to “credible reports of involvement between Iraqi administration officials, Iraqi officials and the terrorists.”

Growing Impatient

But United States intelligence officials had doubts about Mr. Chalabi at the time and have since discredited his group. In 2006, Mr. McCain acknowledged to The New Republic that he had been “too enamored with the I.N.C.” In his e-mail message, though, he said he never relied on the group for information about Iraq’s weapons program.

At a European security conference in February 2002, when the Bush administration still publicly maintained that it had made no decision about moving against Iraq, Mr. McCain described an invasion as all but certain. “A terrorist resides in Baghdad,” he said, adding, “A day of reckoning is approaching.”

Regime change in Iraq in addition to Afghanistan, he argued, would compel other sponsors of terrorism to mend their ways, “accomplishing by example what we would otherwise have to pursue through force of arms.”

Finally, as American troops massed in the Persian Gulf in early 2003, Mr. McCain grew impatient, his aides say, concerned that the White House was failing to act as the hot desert summer neared. Waiting, he warned in a speech in Washington, risked squandering the public and international support aroused by Sept. 11. “Does anyone really believe that the world’s will to contain Saddam won’t eventually collapse as utterly as it did in the 1990s?” Mr. McCain asked.

In retrospect, some of Mr. McCain’s critics now accuse him of looking for a pretext to justify the war. “McCain was hell-bent for leather: ‘Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, we have got to teach him, let’s send a message to the other people in the Middle East,’ ” said Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts.

But Mr. McCain, in his e-mail message, said the reason he had supported the war was the evolving threat from Mr. Hussein.

“I believe voters elect their leaders based on their experience and judgment — their ability to make hard calls, for instance, on matters of war and peace,” he wrote. “It’s important to get them right.”

Posted by: popasmoke | October 6, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if McCain is also proud of how he divorced his diabled wife to marry a 25-year-old heiress with whom he was having an affair.

I wonder if he is proud of being on every side of every issue and every principle.
I wonder if he is proud of stabbing the troops in the back when he voted against the Webb bill to bolster the GI Bill.

I wonder if he is proud of embracing the very people (Rove, Bush, etc.) who accused him of fathering a black child; a charge which both insulted him AND his adopted daughter.

I don’t wonder if he is proud of how he has bamboozled the media to cover up for his “gaffes” which he seems to make every day. I’m SURE he is proud of this since it is the only thing he has ever done.

Posted by: Mccainsworld | October 6, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in our WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

To Mr. or Ms. bejims 1, I thank you for noticing my response. I ask that you please re-read my response. I did not get into facts presented or things said or unsaid. I have no arguments. I simply stated an opinion. I wish you the best and your loved ones also. No, I am older than 1949. Perhaps I miscounted the # of Presidents I have lived under. Best wishes, POP.

Posted by: poptoy1949 | October 6, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Every time I turn on my TV, I hear Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reed shrilly complain that this “mortgage mess” and the meltdown of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the result of “failed Bush policies” and lack of regulation, when, in fact, it was the Democrats who resisted the additional controls and oversight Republicans wanted. By providing lucrative positions for Democrat officials and by funding supportive community organizations, Fannie and Freddie became the Democrat Party’s piggy bank.

In 1977 under the Carter administration, Congress approved the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) to encourage banks to help meet the credit needs of the communities in which they are chartered. A bank’s performance was measured on its efforts to comply with the act. The Carter administration also contributed funding to “community organizations” such as ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to help enforce the act. Under the act, these community organizations could file petitions to delay or stop a proposed merger, acquisition or new bank branch. One way these delays could be avoided was for the bank to donate to the community group or to give the community group the ability to originate mortgages and collect a fee. In 1999, Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, included a provision in bank legislation to prevent such “CRA extortion” by requiring reporting of such payments.

In 1995, the Clinton administration expanded subprime authorizations to lenders under CRA. Loans substantially increased, and home prices accelerated. From 1990 to 1995, home prices tracked with inflation. However, from 1995 to 2007, home prices increased at almost twice the rate of inflation. Too much money was chasing too few homes, and price increases encouraged excessive borrowing. Buyers, anticipating that their homes that would rise in value, bought now rather than later, believing they could refinance later at rates they could afford.

1997 saw the first securitization of CRA loans when First Union Capital Markets Corp. and Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc. had a $384.6 million offering of securities backed by the CRA. On Sept. 30, 1999, The New York Times reported that Fannie Mae, under pressure from the Clinton administration, was easing credit requirements to increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-

income consumers. This pressure became the snowball rolling down the hill that grew and grew. On Sept. 6, 2008, The Wall Street Journal stated “Freddie and Fannie own or guarantee more than $5 trillion of mortgages.” About $780 billion of these mortgages are subprime.

In September 2003, the New York Times reported a Bush administration proposal to create a new agency to oversee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congressional Democrats denounced the bill. According to The New York Times, “These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

In December 2004, Fannie Mae fired CFO J. Timothy Howard and CEO Franklin Raines. As CEO for five years, Raines received $91 million in bonuses. Fannie Mae’s profits had to be restated for the previous four years, and Fannie Mae recognized $9 billion of losses on interest-rate risk hedging derivatives.

Earlier in 2004, the House of Representatives held a hearing on a report from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight suggesting regulation for Fannie and Freddie. Ed Royce of OFHEO suggested, “Congress must create a new regulator with powers at least equal to those of other financial regulators, such as the Office of the Controller of the Currency or Federal Reserve.” While the Republicans begged for more regulation, the Democrats condemned Royce and praised Fannie and Freddie. Barney Frank, D-Mass., currently chairman of the Financial Services Committee, said, “But I have seen nothing in here that suggests that the safety and soundness are at issue ... ”

In 2005, S.190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 was introduced by Charles Hagel, R-Neb., and co-sponsored by John McCain, R-Ariz. During debate on the bill, John McCain stated, “If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.” The bill was blocked by Democrats.

In 2007, the cracks in the foundation of the housing boom became visible. Prices started to decline. Mortgage defaults increased. Subprime lenders started going under. Values of securitized mortgage loans substantially decreased; balance sheets assets of banks and other financial institutions were reduced; credit was drying up.

Recently on “Good Morning America,” President Clinton said, “the responsibility the Democrats have may rests more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in Congress or by me when I was president to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”

But why would Democrats resist efforts to “tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac”? Follow the money. Former Fannie CEO, Franklin Raines, Clinton Director OMB, got $91 million, while vice chairman, Jamie Gorelick, Clinton deputy attorney general, got $26 million, and the list goes on.

Community organizations such as ACORN can extort money from banks, receive grants from government, and it even received $800,000 this year from the Obama campaign. ACORN supports the Democratic Party through its PAC and targeted voter registration and get out the vote drives. Between 2004 and 2006, ACORN employees were accused of submitting fraudulent voter registration cards and forging signatures on ballot initiatives in 12 states. Yet, ACORN is one of the community organizations benefitting under CRA.

Fannie and Freddie have provided lucrative employment for high-ranking Democrats and an army of workers through the community organizations supported under CRA. Yet the Democrats cry that this is another example of failed Republican policies of deregulation. It was their regulation, CRA, that coerced banks to make questionable loans. It was their obstruction that prevented financial regulation of Fannie and Freddie. It was their friends who were minding the store.

The outcomes of these failed Democrat policies are to be expected, but I am astounded by the audacity of hype to blame the Republicans.

Posted by: Southern-man | October 6, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Obama is not an intelligent, black man.He is dumbass.

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

So much for the theory that registration would increase the level of discourse here...

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 6, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Its not only that Obama is unqualified as President.Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need a muslim communist in our WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 6, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"Why don't you dumbass conspiracy theorist who are afraid of what Obama "might do" to this counrty just move to desert island somewhere so you won't have to worry about doomsday and you can avoid black people. Then maybe you'll be happy.

Posted by: PhilaMike"

Yeah I can't blame the bottom feeder 9th grade educated losers who don't understand what Obama would do that is so bad. They don't possess the intelligence as to what seperates 3rd world trash heaps from countries like the US. They can't see what is so bad about socialism since they know they won't amount to anything and would only benefit off sucking off of success and innovation.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"He is an intelligent, black man. That is a reason to RESPECT him, not to fear him."

LMAO nice racism. I love the liberal racists. "OMG AN INTELLIGENT BLACK MAN VOTE FOR HIM."

Biden summed up the racist liberals fervor over Obama, "the first mainstream articulate black man." Pathetic.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama knows a great deal about the mess. He is a central figure in the exploitation of financial institutions and pressuring them to make high risk loans. Obama is the second largest recipient of donations on the list at Fannie Mae. Obama has questionable ties to Fannie Mae Executives led by Clinton's former budget director Franklin Raines, recipient of a $1Million Fannie Mae bonus and Obama's campaign advisor Jim Johnson.
Obama Associates and His Campaign Advisor Jim Johnson Allegedly Cooked Fannie Books
Raines and Johnson took Clinton's risky gamble and then rolled the dice. The pair allegedly cooked the books at Fannie, issued countless dubious mortgages, and then took huge bonuses before leaving the company.
Democrats have long been knowledgeable and responsible as seen in an article of the September 30, 1999 edition of the New York Times:
"In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders."
"The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring. "
"Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits."
The high-risk subprime mortgage social engineering community service experiment by left-wing Democrats and Obama has created the largest financial crisis since The Great Depression. The full reach of the corruption and scandal may never be known but those who created it must not be rewarded. The architects, primarily left-wing Democrats, created laws, took donations, looked the other way and actively blocked Republican attempts to avoid the known problems.
Now these same Democrats want to do another high risk "community service," social engineering experiment. They want to elect a high-risk, low experience, socialist one of the same community organizers that created the mess to be our next president. We cannot experiment with the office of president and learn as we go. Barack Obama is not qualified and has no history of success as a leader in government or business.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 6, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"As the economy crashes under Republican deregulation, Kristol parrots Palin's garbage attacks against Obama."

Nice generic liberal talking point. It ignores the root of the problem, Fannie/Freddie WHO DEMOCRATS REFUSED TO REGULATE AND ARE ON CONGRESSIONAL RECORD SAYING REGULATION WOULD HURT GETTING LOW INCOME PEOPLE HOMES.

I hope all of you losing money on your homes out there are grateful to Barney, Schumer, Obama, Clinton and Kerry who all received a lot of money from Fannie/Freddie to BLOCK REPUBLICAN ATTEMPTED REGULATION OF THE AGENCIES. I hope it is worth it to you to lose money and pay overpriced mortgages so that someone working at a gas station with a 9th grade education can own a home too. I mean come on its their "right." Ignore the fact they're lazy bottom feeders who haven't tried for education or to get a skilled job they "need help" which trumps logic or the economy.

These agencies forced private business to give out bad loans and sold the mortgages into bundles into the market.

Here are some articles. The first 2 are regarding the 1999 deregulation of Fannie/Freddie and the 2nd is the 2003 attempted regulation with Barney's comments about how Fannie/Freddie are fine. The others are opinionated analysis.

articles.latimes.com/1999/oct/01/business/fi-17403
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0
www.nypost.com/seven/09242008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/house_of_cards_130479.htm?&page=1

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"I have lived under 12 Presidents and never have I seen a candidate for President so unqualified as Obama."


A Hollywood actor is qualified, but a community organizer and Senator is not?


"In my opinion he will be the next President. I say this with regret. I say this with fear. I have never belonged to a political party. I consider myself an average American. I have been a teacher and Professor for many years. Never in my life have I seen a candidate with so many DOUBTS and BLANK spots in his resume. Hillary Clinton and John McCain looked so much better."


Please list some of these DOUBTS and BLANK spots. You do know that he has pretty wide ranging support, from US generals to Warren Buffet (billionaire investor). He is an intelligent, black man. That is a reason to RESPECT him, not to fear him.

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | October 6, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Wish I knew where to find the stuff 37thandOStreet is smoking.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 6, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

poptoy1949,

Assuming the 1949 is the year you were born I am about as old as you. I remember Jack Kennedy's inexperience and his greatness as a leader. It takes the young to see the future. Obama sees the greatness in America that we can regain. McCain seems out of touch, and that is not just echoing Obama's claim. He seemed out of touch when he hired Bush's people, the same people to used dirty tricks against him in 2000. That for me was the last straw. There was nothing McCain would not do to become president. His ethics are in question with me.

And Palin ... well, lets just say she scares me to death in so many ways. Wait until Halloween to see how many Palin faces you see at the door asking for candy. She stated at the debate she believes in expanding the power of the VP even more than Cheney has, which is unconstitutional, but she seems to care little except for power. A dangerous woman who has little knowlege and no experience in anything except her own career. Her attempt to ban library books and making rape victims pay for their own rape kits should tell you everything you need to know about her. And McCain picking her says a lot about McCain's lack of judgement, even if you only consider she is under investigation. When was the last person who was under investigation picked for a VP slot?

As for Obama, I have not heard anything from him that scares me and a lot that I like. If your concern is just the experience, well, that is a concern, but not the fatal one you make it out to be. He has already surrounded himself with experts, and like Bill Clinton is asking for advice from experts around the country. He knows he is inexperienced and knows he does not have all the answers, unlike Palin and McCain. A chinese phylosopher once said to "know yourself". McCain does not seem to know himself as evidenced by his hiring of those who did dirty tricks against him. Palin, if she really knew herself, would be repulsed by her bigotry and authoritarianism. If Bush knew himself he would be apologizing to America for his negligence and incompetence.

Obama however does know himself, and in that I take comfort. He will learn what he does not know and listen to others. And he seems willing to surround himself with a variety of people, not just yes men as Bush has done and McCain/Palin surely will do. If we are looking for wisdom in this election to get us through these tough times, only Obama has shown wisdom and Biden has the experience. The two should lead this country much better than those who think they know everything.

Posted by: bevjims1 | October 6, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you dumbass conspiracy theorist who are afraid of what Obama "might do" to this counrty just move to desert island somewhere so you won't have to worry about doomsday and you can avoid black people. Then maybe you'll be happy.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I will say one thing in defense of Sarah Palin. You can put liptstick on a sleazy biitch but she's still a sleazy biitch.

Posted by: PhilaMike | October 6, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Watching McCain's action the past few weeks ( especially ), I cannot believe how anyone would willing vote for him - even out of party loyalty. It is no surprise, he's losing this campaign.

As the old maxim goes: You don't build yourself up by tearing someone else down; And it seems that that's the only way the GOP thinks it can win an election.

Smear and fear are not policies of great leaders.

Posted by: wolfi101 | October 6, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

William Kristol's NY Times editorial exemplifies the reason why today's neocons are going down the tubes. As the economy crashes under Republican deregulation, Kristol parrots Palin's garbage attacks against Obama. Palin has replaced Ann Coulter as the Queen of Mean, cheered on by the neocons who love to hate.

A change in tide for conservatives would require that they start thinking for themselves, instead of regurgitating the divisive talking points of the day.

Posted by: bamccampbell | October 6, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

When you realize it will be closer to 400 then you'll be closer to reality. The mood in this country is at the anger level. Its beyond frustration, which is where it was before the financial crisis became clear to everyone. And Palin is becoming so much of a joke that I doubt anyone but the fanatical republican base will be voting republican this year. I mean, didn't I just read that Nebraska might be up for grabs?

Obama 400, McCain 138, and I predict McCain will not even carry his own state of Arizona. Maybe this will become clearer to you when the investigation into Palin's abuse of power is published later this month, assuming RNC lawyers don't work to stall the investigation which Palin's family refuses to cooperate with after previous assurances that they would. And you know what republicans say about people who don't cooperate.

Posted by: bevjims1 | October 6, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

OK. All of the above comments taken into consideration there are untruths and truths on both sides. This is pretty normal. It always is. Now lets talk about the Future. In my opinion this is the probable future outcome. There will come a time within the next 4 years or even the next 8 years, if Obama wins a second term, that the people of this country will regret the day they voted Obama to the highest office in the land. As it happens people will barely notice and then slowly it will become apparent. As the large picture unfolds people will wonder what happened. I have lived under 12 Presidents and never have I seen a candidate for President so unqualified as Obama. In my opinion he will be the next President. I say this with regret. I say this with fear. I have never belonged to a political party. I consider myself an average American. I have been a teacher and Professor for many years. Never in my life have I seen a candidate with so many DOUBTS and BLANK spots in his resume. Hillary Clinton and John McCain looked so much better. Where has the integrity of the average voter gone? I will be gone soon. My life, for the most part, has been lived. I have a great fear for the future of my children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. This is a simple letter from an average American. No one will read this. I just had to say what I see coming based upon what I have lived. GOD bless America because the youngsters of today sure will not. I do PRAY that it does.

Posted by: poptoy1949 | October 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

If the extremely liberal media would do the job they are suppose to do they would be reporting on the communist and radical Islamic connections of Obamas. Like the Muslim organization of Texas (believe the govt. shut them down after 9/ll) with the Saudis who funded Obama's Harvard education; his very close relationship to his late mentor communist Frank Marshall Davis and Obama's words in his book about attending socialist conferences. Obama's a sleeper. Say 'Comrad Barack Hussein Obama'

Posted by: love234america | October 6, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

If you had a US map that showed only Marilyn and Charles Manson fans, crackheads, welfare recipients, liars, hypocrites, atheists, felons, as-yet-apprehended criminals, pimps, ho's, panhandlers, Barney Fran, OJ Simpson, Hollywood slimebuckets, rappers, adulterers, cheats, snivellers, scumbags, animal-worshippers, radical muslims, terrorists and idiots, it would be ALL blue.

Posted by: viejo1 | October 6, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh, how has our nation changed. In my lifetime the U.S. Congress was hunting for the communist in our country; next year we will most likely have one as presidnt and commander in chief of this country.

Oama does admit in his books attending socialist conferences. He also writes about (in his Dreams From My Father) having a close relationship (like father/son) with his late mentor Frank Marshall Davis, a known communist who belongest to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. You can goggle Frank Marshall Davis or go to www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor

Will there be drastic changes in this country if Obama is elected. He has fooled the people just as Hitle fooled the Germans. Say bye, bye democracy....you can tell your grandchildren "once upon a time in America, we had a democratic government where we were free.....". And the sad part is this will effect the young people even more than people older like me and the young people will pay badly for their naive voting of Obama. May God watch over our nation as we will soon be a Godless country under Obama. He has you fooled, folks...

Posted by: love234america | October 6, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

How a McCain/Bush/Schmit/Rove campaign would Change a Light Bulb

How many members of McCain/Bush/Schmit/Rove campaign does it take to change a light bulb?

1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed;

2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed;

3. One to blame American Voters for burning out the light bulb;

4. One to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have a secret stockpile of light bulbs;

5. One to give a One Trillion dollars to Wall Street for the new light bulb;

6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a step ladder under the banner: Light Bulb Change Accomplished;

7. One campaign insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how McCain/Bush/Schmit/Rove was literally in the dark and out of touch with the American Voter

8. One to viciously smear #7;

9. Sarah Palin to campaign on TV and at rallies on how John McCain has had a strong light-bulb-changing policy all along;

10. And finally one to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.

Posted by: YeilRaven | October 6, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

bsimon and optimyst, from the voter registration story in today's WaPo

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/05/AR2008100502524_2.html?sid=ST2008100502674&s_pos=

I think IN is longer stretch than NC. Take a look at those numbers... .
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Some of you know how much I detest Ayers and Dorn.
If I thought they were going to have BHO's ear in a D Admin I would be moved in another direction. But I do not think they will, and I do think Gramm will have McC's ear. We just cannot account for all the bad folks we've met and known, can we? I certainly cannot.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 6, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Most people had Obama at or above 300 weeks ago.

It is good to see the cautious and conservative Cillizza acknowledging what only the stupidest of donkeys will not.

This election is turning into a rout.

As the financial markets tumble, Obama is offering solutions.

All McCain has are campaign stunts and Palin's scripted foolishness.

The final month will not be a sprint to the finish - it will be an Obama/Biden victory lap.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Oand37thStreet | October 6, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm for Obama, but it won't be over till the "Palin lady screems"

Posted by: snman37922 | October 6, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"In fact, Obama served from 1995 to 1999 as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), the brainchild of Ayers, an organization that funneled some $100 million into the hands of community organizers and activists, including ACORN, in order to radicalize Chicago's public schools."

Who is Walter Annenberg...The funder of this despicable radical?


It was Annenberg who introduced President Reagan to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, and the Reagans often celebrated New Year's Eve with the Annenbergs. Leonore Annenberg was named by President Ronald Reagan as the State Department's Chief of Protocol as well.

Darn those pesky facts...The Annenberg Challenge was a project of The Annenberg Foundation. Walter Annenberg was a life long Republican and Nixon and Reagan devotee.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 6, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"Adding SC would be putting yourself out there a bit."

That should be NC. SC would be out a bit farther...

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The Fix asks
"Agree or disagree with our map?"

Your map is getting better, but you're staying rather conservative. As Optimyst posted earlier, it is not unreasonable to add FL & IN to the blue list. Adding SC would be putting yourself out there a bit.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 6, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

When McCain had been in the Senate for years (58yo?)he intervened in the Keating Bank scandal and got busted for it. "The biggest mistake" of my life, he said. When Obama was 8 yo at the height of the Vietnam War, a guy Obama would meet decades later made a big mistake too. Obama should have known better.

Reckless, impulsive and cynical. McCain is too erratic to have his "Finger on the Button".

Bush/McCain. No More Years!!!!!

Posted by: thebobbob | October 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Obama’s missing the point of character campaigning. He’s a first term Senator who’s major achievement is getting big poll numbers. One ethics law and a white paper on loose nukes is not enough to go on. He’s been campaigning for more than half of his term in the Senate, saying “trust me”. Well, excuse me but the people of Missouri aren’t the only ones who deserve a closer examination of WHO you are Senator Obama. After one, we’ll decide IF we trust you to run our great country in a time of real crisis.

Obama’s circulating Keating 5 videos this morning- What a hypocritical move! So THAT means he also would “…rather try to tear (a) campaign down than lift this country up. That’s what you do when you’re out of touch, out of ideas and running out of time.” PATHETIC. Get down from the mount Obama: you can’t preach against what you’re doing yourself!

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

37thandOStreet yokelled:

It is time to take hold of ourselves here - let's be reasonable - McCain is going to hold Virginia and Ohio.

___________________________

LOL. You get sillier by the day.

from Pollster.com:

Obama's seven point margin (49% to 47%) on the new Columbus Dispatch mail-in poll helps boost his lead on our trend estimate to almost two points (48.0% to 46.1%). The Dispatch poll has an interesting history that I followed on my old Mystery Pollster blog -- highly accurate in general elections from the 1980s through 2004, but wildly off on a set of state issues in 2005 (for reasons that may have been specific to the questionnaire used for that poll). Whatever one thinks of the Dispatch poll, however, this much is clear about Ohio: Obama led on five of the seven polls released in Ohio last week, trailing by just a single percentage point on the two exceptions.

Palin's racial Pitbull tactics will only increase Obama's lead. She really is one nasty piece of work.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 6, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

From Today's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review


"Obama dismissed inquiries about his relationship with Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground, by saying that he was just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood."

In fact, Obama served from 1995 to 1999 as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), the brainchild of Ayers, an organization that funneled some $100 million into the hands of community organizers and activists, including ACORN, in order to radicalize Chicago's public schools.

Between 1969 and 1974, the Weather Underground claimed responsibility for some 20 bombings in the United States -- at police stations, banks, jails, courthouses, the Capitol and the Pentagon. Ayers became a fugitive in 1970, reports Andy McCarthy at the National Review, after three of his cohorts were "accidentally killed when the explosive they were building to Ayers' specifications -- Ayers was a bomb designer -- went off during construction."

The explosive, a nail bomb, "had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey," reports McCarthy. "Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, 'tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.'"

Ayers, describing the Weather Underground as "an American Red Army," motivated by "hope," succinctly summed up the organization's mission: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments."

"I don't regret setting bombs," Ayers told The New York Times in September 2001. "I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers, in charge of shaping CAC's education philosophy, describes himself as "a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist." Rather than focusing on anything as mundane as math or reading, the job of teachers, said Ayers, is to "teach against oppression."

Ayers "downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism," writes Stanley Kurtz, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

"Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression," reports Kurtz. "He believes teacher education programs should serve as 'sites of resistance' to an oppressive system."

The question: Why do Obama's deeds contradict his words? Is anyone in the mainstream media curious?"

Ralph R. Reiland is an associate professor of economics at Robert Morris University

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers did his thing. McCain, however, was one of the Keating 5. It is history, there's no need to block the investigation like in Alaska, it is already on the books and through the investigation. No wonder McCain doesn't want to talk about economics and banks.
If you are too young to remember the Savings & Loan scandal where many lost their retirement and Keating went to jail, just look it up in the Congressional Record. McCain isn't Mr. Clean, no matter how folksy you get. Also, did you see the Disabled American Vets have said McCain has blocked every bill that would have helped Vets? They don't all love him.

Posted by: nanlwar | October 6, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Get angry.

Throw the "distractors" out.

Throw the liars out.

Throw the millionaire cavalier idiot hawks out.

Make our country safer again.
Make our country middle class focused again.

Make our country popular again.

Bring our allies back to our side.

Throw these bums out.

Posted by: klondike2 | October 6, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Doggone now don' yo OBiden's count yo cheekens jus' yet.

Trash tawkin' gonna feex theeyes, also.

American's be so domb an' EASY to fool, also.


- McPalin

Posted by: T-Prop | October 6, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA GOES TO WAR AGAINST FREEDOM OF SPEECH

Site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200809292079/edi ...

We CAN NO LONGER AFFORD to continue to travel on the path of the Democratic and Republican 'push forward' into the destruction of our Constitution and Sovereignty as a nation and elect politicians such as Obama and McCain to ANY office of government were they can continue to make laws against us and REFUSE to listen to our voice.

We MUST look into 3rd Party Presidential Candidates such as REP. CHUCK BALDWIN - endorsed by Ron Paul. He is the ONLY candidate that promises to defend and protect our Constitution and our Sovereignty!

IT IS OUR TURN TO STAND UP FOR OUR REPUBLIC AND MAKE A REAL CHANGE HAPPEN - VOTING AGAINST DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN RULE IS THE BEGINNING!

Posted by: cingi | October 6, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

The shifts in the electoral map are startling-- Obama is doing MUCH better than Clinton did in '92. Could this be a tidal wave election on par with '84? It seems to be shaping up that way...

Posted by: dbitt | October 6, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Each campaign is targeting different kinds of voters, tailoring its message accordingly.

Republican aides talk of setting up voter registration tables outside mega-churches. "We do it at NASCAR races, [ World Wrestling Entertainment] events," said Rich Beeson, political director for the Republican National Committee

I think that says it all.

Posted by: karlmalone | October 6, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

re:37thandOStreet

Why would Obama have to defend PA? He is ahead by double digits there now. In addition he has moved into a solid lead in OH and VA.. I see McCain's brother is referring to the northern Virginia suburbs as communist country. Great way to win votes.

Posted by: georgecleveland | October 6, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

This year no 2004

no supporting the liars who lied for 8 years and show clearly they will continue.

throw these moron millionaire-centered bums out.

this time

vote for the smart guy... not the spinning hawk moron...whose team is made up entirely of the people who gave us the last 8 years of destroying our country.

get angry

throw these lying distracting fraudulent bums to the curb.

now.

Posted by: klondike2 | October 6, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

again

MccainKeating s&l a trillion dollars gone

McCainBush Iraq a trillion dollars gone

McCain Gramm deregulation (AGAIN! ugh)

a trillion dollars gone...

Meanwhile we as a country go down the tubes as they destroy us.

Get angry.

Throw these bums out!!!!

Posted by: klondike2 | October 6, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kentaylor1 | October 6, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Independent4tw, you must mean an Obama statue next to a memorial of soldiers who died unnecessarily toppling Saddam.

Your tactics of fear will no longer work on the people. Eight years has taught us to see past your threats.

Posted by: VirginiaVoter08 | October 6, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Now that McCain, the screwball of this Election year, with his Winki VP pick has no more to say about what and how he can fix an economy he helped ruin, because he doesnt know how to do the job that is most urgent for us at this time, he will try to smear Obama with false statements and lies the Republicans are experts at. Eight years of GOP has diminished the country and the people. WHERE IS MY AMERICA?????

THE WORLD IS IN TERMOIL AND WE ARE NOW OWNED BY CHINA AND HAVE A TOUGH ROAD AHEAD OF US. MCCAIN AND "YOU BETCHA" PALIN SURELY IS NOT THE ANSWER SO DO NOT EVEN TRY TO ASK THEM WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO TO FIX THE ECONOMY , STOP THE WAR IN IRAQ,LOWER TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS, TAKE CARE OF OUR VETERANS WHO HAVE BEEN MAIMED FOR LIFE AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ORPHAN CHILDREN LEFT BECAUSE OF GEORGIE'S ILLEGAL WAR, AND HELP SENIORS IN DISTRESS, THEIR REPLY TO YOU WOULD BE " HUH" LETS JUST FORGET THESE THINGS AND GET OBAMA"

Posted by: LOONYBIN2000 | October 6, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"We don't want our grandchildren attending Barack Hussein Obama Elementary School - located next to monuments for U.S. soldiers who died toppling Saddam Hussein.

Dems for McCain- NO Hussein!"

This guy is an idiot, plain and simply.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 6, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

You know McCain is in trouble when he's fighting for Nebraska and North Carolina. Kerry never made inroads in those reddest of states.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 6, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Just add IN, NC and FL for Obama and your map will be correct.

Posted by: optimyst | October 6, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I love this map but in the words of Ricky Ricardo, "Don't cross you bridges before your chickens is hatched." I wouldn't be taking a loan out to buy champagne for Nov. 4. But it might be safe to put it in to chill if you have it already. There's still plenty of time for this race to swing back and forth.

Posted by: TeddyRoosevelt | October 6, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

4.1 MILLION new voters added in battleground states, the vast majority of which have registered as Democrats. They are energized and they are determined to take back our country from the right wing fanatics that have destroyed this country. Go ahead and bury your heads in the sand, holding on to the false hope that all the polls are wrong. That will make the devastating losses the gop are going to suffer on November 4th all the more enjoyable to watch. WE WILL NOT BE STOPPED! GOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!
(white guy in maryland)

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 6, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

We don't want our grandchildren attending Barack Hussein Obama Elementary School - located next to monuments for U.S. soldiers who died toppling Saddam Hussein.

Dems for McCain- NO Hussein!

Posted by: JoseyJ | October 6, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse


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It is time to take hold of ourselves here - let's be reasonable - McCain is going to hold Virginia and Ohio.


I can understand this kind of trash talk coming from the Obama people however the media does not have to buy into it.


McCain has at least 260 Electoral Votes and he needs 10 more to win - he has mulitiple paths to victory which different combinations of states adding up to 10.


In addition Obama has to defend Pennsylvania.


If McCain wins Pennsylvania he essentially clinches the nomination because Obama simply does not have means to replace those Electoral Votes. McCain is going to win this election and the media is being irresponsible by creating false hopes in the Electorate.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 6, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Here's the CHARACTER of Obama and Biden....

For YEARS, Biden has been LYING about how his wife and daughter were killed!
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080904/NEWS02/809040379&template=printart

Obama went around the country telling a LIE about the Kennedys bringing his father to America!
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/13655/6958

This is a reflection of their CHARACTER! - unreported by most media and press.

Since Obama and Biden LIE so EASILY about their own families, no telling what they'd do in the White House!

Dems for McCain/Palin!

Posted by: JoseyJ | October 6, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign continues its freefall (and will continue to do so.) I read over the weekend that they plan to get personally negative toward Obama since they assume the bailout will have solved everything and keep the economy off voters' minds!!!!!!! So much for being in touch with reality. I think you can add Florida to the list of Obama states and recent polling shows NC may end up there as well.... We're entering unchartered territory as voter anger toward Republicans has yet to peak...

Posted by: RickJ | October 6, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama keeps reaching back to Chicago political past for policy advisers, and pulling one despicable, vile, and even evil “rabbit” after another out of his hat.
The list of Barack Obama’s radical associations is long and it keeps getting longer. Some are now well-known, but many are not. They need to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HZMD97nMw

(Bloomberg) -- Nigerian Stock Exchange Chief Executive Officer Ndi Okereke-Onyiuke is being investigated after holding a fund-raising event linked to U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, Agence France-Presse reported.
U.S. electoral laws forbid donations from foreigners to electoral campaigns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0cq4Nytu8

23 years at TUCC with Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks. racist sermons on Youtube.
He chose the most radical church in the country; chose to immerse himself in hard-core ideological radicalism. Never before has this country considered such a radical leftist for its chief executive.

Michael Pfleger and his hateful and race-hating ramblings, Obama met while carrying out his own radical social activism as community organizer at ACORN, (radical organization)

Penny Pritzker, heads Obama camp National Finance Committee was president of Superior Bank - massively failed and she literally bought her way out of jail paying $460 MILLION fine; was the very epicenter of subprime loan scandal” that would come to eat this nation’s financial system alive.

Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, former head of Obama’s vice presidential selection committee, discovered he benefited from sweetheart loans from subprime king Countrywide.

Tony Rezko certainly and his federal indictments and financial dealing with Obamas of course and William Ayers, US terrorist bomber, Obama-co-lecturer, fellow board member, neighbor, and friend.

Communist Frank Marshall Davis, obama mentor; Saul Alinsky and Gerald Kellman (Kellman’s Woods Fund is how Obama hooked up with terrorist William Ayers)

Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, appointed as Obama camp national coord for Muslim n affairs also stepped down after news about his stint on the fund’s board - which includes fundamentalist imam - prompting The Wall Street Journal inquiries about relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood and his long personal relationship with Hamas Jamal Said.

Obama desperately needs voters to forget hes the son of a Muslim father who served an incredibly brutal and corrupt Kenyan government; to forget he attended a madrassa in Indonesia and practiced Islam; forget that he campaigned in Kenya on behalf of Raila Odinga, who relied upon chaos, corruption, and violence in his campaign; numerous associations with radical Muslims; forget the photographs of Obama in traditional Muslim clothes, hanging with Muslim radicals such as Mazen Asbahi and anti-Semite Rashid Khalidi.

The mainstream media has frankly put the security of our great country at risk with an Obama coronation media like CNN & MSNBC is the only way Obama managed to steal the Dem nom. It’s extremely concerning that so many Americans could care less about who their candidate really is?? simply amazing and frankly scarey.

Posted by: dyck21005 | October 6, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

This is looking like the 1980 election. After the overreaching of the liberal left the conservatives started a nearly three decades of power. It is apparent that after being in nearly total control for the past 8 years the country has had enough of Republican rule. It is their failure of policies that has lead to their loss of power. America is a centrist country and the Republican party is far right.

Posted by: bradcpa | October 6, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

you figure if you put it out there as a fact it will happen...well I don't think so...nothing is a fact until election day has passed...but with dem election fraud everthing is possible...

Posted by: DwightHCollins | October 6, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In..."McCain Goes Negative!"

In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode...McCain Goes Negative!

McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.

A walnut slips to the floor.

McCain: Damn nutcracker!

Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: "J.M + S.P." This is then crossed out and replaced by "S.P. + J.M.". These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.

McCain: Well, the first plan didn't work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn't called the commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"

Palin: But...didn't you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?

McCain looks at Palin silently. He is smiling but he is holding back anger.

McCain: I think the time has come. We have to call in...Dr. Negative.

He pushes a large black button, which is the only button, on a red phone on his desk.

Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book "Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse...for Dummies!" is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.

Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden's subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite--and the midwife was a Trotskyite!

McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.

Sarah: Oh, we've already met.

Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!

Sarah: You betcha'!

Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative's telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing "...illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers..."

Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.

Dr. Negative: Just practicing.

There is a pause.

McCain: That's fine, Dr. Negative. That's fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.

Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor--buttons reading "Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!", business cards, reading "Push Polls Anonymous--We Call, They Fall", "Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched"; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.

Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I'm ready! I'm ready!

Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical...

Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word "Radical" He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.

Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes...Yes...

McCain: You'll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth...

Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled "Rumor Mill". He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.

Dr. Negative: Yes...Yes...

He is salivating.

McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia--bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.

Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that's easy. They'll eat anything.

Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled "Minutia: So-called "Proof" for the Right". He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled "How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses", "The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!" and "You TOO Can Be A Warrior--From Your Own Couch!" fall to the floor.

Sarah plucks out the "Faked Moon Landings" book. She starts reading.

McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.

Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.

Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.

Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?

McCain: It is very difficult. Very...dark.

Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?

McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?

The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.

Dr. Negative: You mean...(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).

McCain (nodding): Yes.

Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled "Joker" brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.

McCain nods.

Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife--holding it from it very farthest end--and flips open the top of the pack.

Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.

McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember--no fingerprints!

Next episode: The smoke is cleared.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 6, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

You're starting to come on line with fivethirtyeight.com in terms of projections now.

Posted by: JayKay2 | October 6, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

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