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GOP Convention Back on Track -- With Changes

Updated, 11:34 a.m. ET

The Republican National Convention will resume tonight with former Sen. Fred Thompson (Tenn.) and Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) scheduled to address the delegates. There also are plans for President Bush to appear via satellite, according to McCain campaign manager Rick Davis.

"My understanding is that he will be at the White House after returning from a trip today," Davis said of where Bush will speak from tonight.

Should Bush -- as expected -- speak tonight, it will create an interesting conundrum for John McCain's campaign. The McCain team breathed a (quiet) sigh of relief when Hurricane Gustav forced the cancellation of appearances by Bush and Vice President Cheney on Monday night. Assuming Bush speaks tonight it will likely force McCain to answer questions about his relationship with the president and whether or not he would represent a continuation of Bush policies. That's not a narrative the McCain campaign is interested in pursuing.

Also tonight:

• Lieberman, the Democrat turned Independent, appears to have been the runner up in the vice presidential sweepstakes. He and McCain are longtime friends and the Connecticut senator's advocacy for the Republican's campaign has alienated him from his former party. Lieberman will close out the night with a speech titled "The Original Maverick," devoted to "American exceptionalism."

• Thompson, another close friend of McCain -- a friendship tested but not broken during the Tennessee senator's abbreviated run for president earlier this year -- will discuss "what makes [McCain] tick," Davis said.

• Another former presidential candidate -- former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani -- will not deliver the keynote address tonight as was originally planned, but is likely to be rescheduled.

By Paul Volpe  |  September 2, 2008; 9:47 AM ET
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John McCain had better make this convention great! Sarah Palin had better come up with an amazing performance, as she has thus far been demonized in the spotlight and has not, thus far, shot back admirably. Much of McCain's convention success now rely's on Palin's convention performance. She had better make it a great one!

Posted by: reason | September 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Fuzzy obvously O was wrong about HC. She proved at ther convention that she is a team player and would do everything that is asked of her that is best for the country includig falling on her sword for O. Her supporters knew what she would shine at the Convention but we were told how terrible she is by his supporters. Michelle didn't want her in the Whitehouse maybe b/c she feared she would run against him in 2012. If it cost him the election so be it, I won't shed a tear.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama's decision to leave Hillary off the ticket wasn't due to sexism. It's due to the same reason that initially drew me to Hillary, that being she will bring Bill and all the "old gang" (or at least their disciples) back to the WH the same way that Bush did (except it wouldn't bomb out like it's done with him) and lean on them accordingly to make her decisions.
Unfortunately, with Obama as POTUS and Hillary as VP, there would be two parallel White Houses, she's just too strong an individual (especially with Bill in her corner) for that not to happen. And as Presidents Bush and Cheney have shown, parallel White Houses do not work.

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't need to wish for PA. I only need to defend CO and NV. result - same as last time. PA is a longshot, but so is NV. could CO be the state this time around?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't need to wish for PA. I only need to defend CO and NV. result - same as last time. PA is a longshot, but so is NV. could CO be the state this time around?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

>>Fuzzy wrote: "Aspergirl, if only you knew...sigh. I voted for Hillary in the MA primary but am voting for Obama because unfortunaltey McCain just went a little too (correction: wayyyy) far off the ledge months ago in trying to court the far-right of his party, so there is no way I could ever cast a vote for him."

Well, I think that Obama is bouncing all over, trying to position himself for the popular vote, more than McCain has.

I'm not as uncomfortable with McCain's election year repositionings as I am with Obama's total poll-driven flip flops this year.

Clinton was one of the best, most prepared and knowledgeable presidential candidates ever to run. Obama's inability to put her on the ticket to me bespeaks of some problem on his part. The misogyny earlier this year is consistent with a sexist. The reemergent misogyny against Palin, is just disgusting to me.

I have no respect for the Democratic party this year, or the Democratic ticket.

I have far more respect for McCain's character and experience than the total sum on the Democratic ticket. He can carry the whole ticket himself, with or without a VP, against the one the Democrats have put up.

And frankly, the notion of Biden being President creates a lot of cognitive dissonance in me. The guy is so lacking in executive capacity he didn't even break 5 digits in the primary season.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

>>Fuzzy wrote: "Aspergirl, if only you knew...sigh. I voted for Hillary in the MA primary but am voting for Obama because unfortunaltey McCain just went a little too (correction: wayyyy) far off the ledge months ago in trying to court the far-right of his party, so there is no way I could ever cast a vote for him."

Well, I think that Obama is bouncing all over, trying to position himself for the popular vote, more than McCain has.

I'm not as uncomfortable with McCain's election year repositionings as I am with Obama's total poll-driven flip flops this year.

Clinton was one of the best, most prepared and knowledgeable presidential candidates ever to run. Obama's inability to put her on the ticket to me bespeaks of some problem on his part. The misogyny earlier this year is consistent with a sexist. The reemergent misogyny against Palin, is just disgusting to me.

I have no respect for the Democratic party this year, or the Democratic ticket.

I have far more respect for McCain's character and experience than the total sum on the Democratic ticket. He can carry the whole ticket himself, with or without a VP, against the one the Democrats have put up.

And frankly, the notion of Biden being President creates a lot of cognitive dissonance in me. The guy is so lacking in executive capacity he didn't even break 5 digits in the primary season.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, I said provide free sex-ed, not mandate it. As I recall, I had to get my parents to sign a permission slip for 9th grade sex-ed, so I'm fine with parents deciding to submit a request that their child be excluded from that curriculum. Those parents either have their heads in the sand or have decided that they have educated their children sufficiently and can handle the consequences of an unplanned pregnanacy on their own.
I take it a step further than you and say that the local authorities should provide options for parents and the parents are the best to deal with the final decision. But if a local authority (as directed by perhaps a state governor) decides to only provide abstinence-only sex-ed, then shouldn't be shocked when their 11th graders are expecting.

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Zouk -
Yeah, I forgot NH. I think Palin hurts McCain in NH. That's not the conventional wisdom, but I don't think independents view Palin as a maverick pick. I think they view her as an ode to the right wing of the GOP. A maverick pick would have been Snowe or Collins, or Colin Powell.

I have a sister in OH who thinks it will go to the Dems, but I don't see it. Wishing for PA to go GOP is like Obama dreaming of picking up Georgia because of the black population. It doesn't fit with the demo profile and history

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

sample recent polls from pollster.com:

CO - McCain 47 Obama 46
NM - McCain 44 Obama 48
PA - Mccain 45 Obama 48
NH - McCain 42 Obama 38
Nv - Mccain 47 Obama 41
MI - McCain 41 Obama 43

Long night indeed

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, if only you knew...sigh. I voted for Hillary in the MA primary but am voting for Obama because unfortunaltey McCain just went a little too (correction: wayyyy) far off the ledge months ago in trying to court the far-right of his party, so there is no way I could ever cast a vote for him.
What's incoherent is the constantly changing reasons you come up with for why Democrats have no basis on the issue of abortion. Your name-calling doesn't lend any further weight to your arguments. That's the George Bush/Dick Cheney/Don Rumsfeld/Karl Rove/Rush Limbaugh way winning people's hearts and minds...that and blatant lying about the "heckuva job" Republicans are doing and about how anyone who disagrees is a "dead-ender" in their "last throes" who doesn't understand that it's been "Mission Accomplished" since Bush took office and that the "fundamentals of our economy is sound" so get out of your "mental recession".

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl-

Let me first say that I can't read your mind (heck, I can't even tell if you're really a girl), but help me understand something. An hour ago, you said:

"In gender terms, she is The One"

How is that not a knee-jerk reaction? Of all the women in politics today, she is THE ONE? Sounds like you got over your skis a little bit.

Then you say

"I like her. A LOT. As another female athlete and outdoor sportswoman, I recognize that she has some valuable contributions to make. I see in her some promise that I will be watching and making up my mind about later this week. "

By the way, there are millions of people who have contributions to make. I like my county executive (my county has more people than Alaska), but I wouldn't put him up as a presidential candidate.

I realize the same can be said for Obama, but you've had over a year to ask those questions. For a lot of people, the answer is "I don't like him, he's not ready". That's fine. But you've had a holiday weekend to assess Palin.

I guess my point is how can anyone outside of Alaska (and of course the KingofZouk) have the viewpoint that she's ready? Unless you are blindly drinking the Kool-Aid?

And don't tell me that it's OK because Dems do it with Obama. That argument doesn't work for my 1st grader, and it doesn't work here.

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 2, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Fuzzy - go to town and teach them all. I support you in those efforts. but still maintain the parents ability to curtail or modify this action in the public schools.

I think I am best equipped to determine when my lile girl is ready. Of course, some parents are clueless.

Nevertheless, the most local authority is the best to deal with this, not Washington and not Presidents.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

don t care about her beauty contests or athletic prowess I only care if she has been tested on the intl and economic stage and why I believe that Hillary was ready to be POTUS. My gosh she is 40 something years old and just got her passport last year what does that tell you. What is her knowledge/experience in dealing with our complex economic and mtg problems? None. What does she know about Fannie Mae and whether it should be bailed it. Isn't that a that bit more impt then either how she can handle a basketball or a shooting range?

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

truth - then there is NH.

I am just happy it is not OH and FL again. Of course it may make for a long night in november. NM seldom has thier results even for weeks.

But if the Dems lose PA, it will be a very long night of agony for them. and landslide proportions. See, there is hope.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Not that most teens don't know where babies come from Zouk. But you would be shocked to know how many 16 year olds know how to properly use a condom, what birth control is, or believe in such things as "You can only get pregnant 1 day a month" or "You can't get pregnant if you have sex standing up". My girlfriend (a HS guidance counselor) had a girl walk into her office a few weeks ago who just found out she is pregnant but swore she's a virgin. Think about when you were 15-16, how much did you really know about sex and how much was BS you heard from someone who heard about it happening to someone.

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

K-Zouk, arguable, but then that’s why we’re here, isn’t it?

I do want to congratulate John McCain and the Republican Party for being willing to grant a woman a place on their Presidential ticket…a quarter-century after the Dems but, never mind, progress is progress! I had hoped to see our country progress far enough in my lifetime to see an African-American or a Woman, as President…selection as VP is almost as good (and, actuarial table being what they are, our next big topic could be who President Palin selects as her VP!).

I like Sarah Barracuda and have some things in common with her. We were both born in Northern Idaho with the same kind of outdoors fishin’/huntin’/shootin’ childhood. We were both basketball point guards and we still like to run 6-7 miles most days (granted a normal schedule). My sister went to college in Moscow, just like Palin, and played NCAA volleyball (that’s Moscow, Idaho, location of U of Idaho—Go Vandals!). Palin seems to have a nice, natural speaking voice in her speeches and answers to questions (better than McCain, H. Clinton, or Bush…not as good as Obama, Biden, or B. Clinton).

I do think she has the potential of a high-level political future if she survives the current political firestorm. People seem to like her, because she seems real. The family's pregnant teenager and the husband's DUI only make her more real. She's the kind of woman who could potentially appeal to a broad spectrum of the public. If she serves any time as a vice president, she'll be considered qualified for anything else.

I am concerned with thin resumes, but consider, a characteristic of exceptional human beings and great leaders seems to be the ability to skip grades and jump rank. Certainly we must credit Obama with his ability to rise to success quickly, skipping traditional requisite steps along the way. Sometimes that trait is a mark of excellence. We'll find out what Palin can do in the national public spotlight. This is shaping up to be the most interesting political race of my lifetime.

In May, Marie Cocco wrote a column in the WaPo asking, “If not Hillary, who? …and if not now, when?” … and I responded “How about Sarah Palin, young reformist Republican Governor of Alaska? Maybe she’ll give a great speech at the Republican Convention and end up the Nominee next time…hey, it worked for Obama!” (Honest! Want to see the email?)

Posted by: purplemartin | September 2, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

>>Fuzzy wrote: "Aspergirl, you've sorta intellectually run your posts into the proverbial ground. So you embrace Sarah Palin's "Pro-life feminism" and believe Democrats are hypocrites because they believe women only have abortions to hide their missteps, yet you believe that the real crime by Democrats is their embrace of "the Roe v. Wade boogeyman" and "The biggest problem with access to abortions to low class woman nowadays is logistics, information and coordination"

I don't think I'd sum up my disparate positions in that way in the same sentence.

I simply respect Sarah Palin's "pro-life feminism" -- especially as she and her family seem to live it -- and feel that the woman-bashers who piled on Hillary Clinton this year, like yourself, are the epitome of patronizing, sexist pigs to talk down to women about what Sarah Palin's baby and her daughter's baby means to them.

The rest of your post is simply an incoherent screed that has no real point. If you have a point, feel free to post it and I'll respond.

I respond sometimes even to patronizing, sexist, partisan pigs.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

>> Leichtman wrote: "Aspergirl don't lecture me about O's lack of qualifications I have posted that here since March. I was perfectly prepared to vote for McCain before this idiotic choice, and now will likely just vote downballot. No right thinking person would vote for ANY woman jut b/c of her chromosomes. Why not Britney Spears I am sure she has attended PTA meetings and has a child. I have read idioic comments saying that every AA including my Congressman Sheila Jackson Lee must support Obama b/c he is AA. Your argument makes about as much sense."

The fact that you are rejecting her before watching, learning about her and observing makes your rejection a knee jerk one.

I'm not supporting Sarah Palin because of her "chromosomes".

I like her. A LOT. As another female athlete and outdoor sportswoman, I recognize that she has some valuable contributions to make. I see in her some promise that I will be watching and making up my mind about later this week. People who are describing her as some Annie Oakley caricature are doing so with a totally shallow and ignorant notion of who she is.

She and I have a few things in common. I recognize some of her own traits and development and think that there is some interesting promise there, that is perfectly consistent with McCain's enthusiastic statement describing her appeal to him. I see people as being clueless as to what kind of creature she is, and making facial, ignorant snap judgments about her.

Your out-of-hand rejection of her can only be reflexive and prejudiced, coming so soon after her introduction and before her full debut.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

fuzzy - is your claim that all those pregnant teens had no idea that doing that could lead to this?

Really???

I had no idea defense. Libs love it.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Cogresswoman

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Zouk -
Actually, he only needs 2 of the three states. The one combination that causes him problems is getting NV and NM but losing CO. Then it's 269 each.

PA is not a slam dunk for the Dems, but I don't think Palin helps much there because there are many more registered Dems there and because of what I said about the independents. It's the same rationale on why the GOP will win VA and NC ... in the end there are more of one party than the other, and now both sides will show up.

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, you've sorta intellectually run your posts into the proverbial ground. So you embrace Sarah Palin's "Pro-life feminism" and believe Democrats are hypocrites because they believe women only have abortions to hide their missteps, yet you believe that the real crime by Democrats is their embrace of "the Roe v. Wade boogeyman" and "The biggest problem with access to abortions to low class woman nowadays is logistics, information and coordination. The Democrats have done ZERO for these women." because Speaker Pelosi can't advance the Equal Rights Amendment, which oh by the way, Palin's running mate McCain opposes (and I would be real interested to know Palin's past positions on it as well)....so the real problem is women's access to logistics, information, and coordination? Hmm, seems like free sex-ed in high school would be a good start with providing women easy access to information...wonder where Palin stands on that? Hehe...

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl don't lecture me about O's lack of qualifications I have posted that here since March.
I was perfectly prepared to vote for McCain before this idiotic choice, and now will likely just vote downballot.

No right thinking person would vote for ANY woman jut b/c of her chromosomes. Why not Britney Spears I am sure she has attended PTA meetings and has a child.
I have read idioic comments saying that every AA including my Congressman Sheila Jackson Lee must support Obama b/c he is AA. Your argument makes about as much sense.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Just for everyone's information ...

- Obama present votes in IL state Senate: 130
- Obama yes or no votes over the same period: over 4,000.

Context is everything

Posted by: ChicagoView | September 2, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

truthhurts - I think your analysis is basically sound.

I would caution you on the PA decision though. It should be a solid Dem state but the polls there do not look good for you. If Obama doesn't win in PA, he is toast. Remember he still has to pick up those other states too. All in all, a tall order I think.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama is now claiming that he has more executive experience than Palin because he has managed his campaign for the last several months. When did he become his own campaign manager? When did he cease to be running against McCain? Is he really this stupid to be making comments like this?

Posted by: Pololoza | September 2, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I should have run for beauty queen. that is a job I could do.

Posted by: snObama | September 2, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's how to look at the Palin pick

- It's all about the GOP base. Now they are aligned behind McCain.
- There was hope to pick off enough Hillary PUMAs and independents to turn some of the battleground states. Instead, I think they pissed them off, at least initially.

So we're back to a slight lead with Obama. The issue is that independents are swinging toward Obama.

That means Nevada, NM, and Colorado might be pickups for Dems, but I doubt VA or NC will come along for the ride. PA goes Dem, OH and FL go GOP. After the dust settles, Obama wins 278-260.

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 2, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Purple - all those reasons you give are simply attempts by the neophyte. No follow through. Imagine an editor of a law review with no publications. Imagine a job that lets you kick around and find yourself with no actual expectations - community organizer. Imagine voting present over 100 times, winning elections by eliminating opponents from the ballot. his US Senate record is equally thin. the nuke bill passed on a voice vote with no objection. his ethics bill resorts to hunting for toothpicks in food to see if it is legal. his veterans bill never left committee - a Dem committee in a Dem congress.
what incredible potential and opportunity followed by emptiness.

Carter level success indeed.

do not get me wrong, I am not in love with McCain. but this is an A or B choice and if you want to consider risk/reward, you must pick McCain.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Wonder why Guiliani is bumped off from schedule of RNC convention tonight?

Is it because of his infamous general practice of questionable 'sweetheart exchange deals' that may be illegitimate and or criminal?

For example, it is alleged that during the 90's, NYC Mayor Guiliani lessened felons' jail times in exchange for crimes committed on his behalf without public scrutiny or suspect while he enjoyed the publicity of crimefighter.

Did anyone hear whether his protege Bernard Kerik, ex-NYPD commissioner got 140 years of jail time for his mob-related activities?

Will ex-mayor Guiliani get Kerik to commit one of his own crimes/murders in exchange to lessen Kerik's 140 years of jail time?

If so, wonder which opponent is Guiliani targeting today and how? Car tampering and accident? A gun shot? Food tampering?

And would Kerik utilize his mob ties to do it?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

>>Fuzzy wrote: "Aspergirl, as someone who lives next to section 8 housing, your uninformed statement that "This is 2008, not 1970. A woman can get an abortion if she has a few hundred dollars and Internet access." is laughable to me. Someone living in poverty who would be the least able to provide to a baby often has access to neither a few hundred dollars or the internet."

The biggest problem with access to abortions to low class woman nowadays is logistics, information and coordination. The Democrats have done ZERO for these women.

I've watched Nancy Pelosi take on anti-abortion lawmakers and I've seen the Democrats make little to zero progress in recent years in womens' rights.

We have a female speaker. Where is the Equal Rights Amendment? Why is Roe v. Wade the only protection against anti-abortion activists? Where is there any progress in this issue?

The Democratic party is exploiting their nominal, lip service support of womens' rights as embodied in their lame support of Roe v. Wade to hold women hostage to what amounts to an ineffectual and practically nonexistent womens' rights platform for almost 30 years.

I'm not happy with the state of things. I think that Republican women are making more progress than Democratic women, obviously. And with the advent of the Internet and freedom to move around and get information, I don't think the Roe v. Wade boogeyman is worth clinging to Democrats for.

And no, the Democrats have done none of the other stuff that would make a dent in the family planning intelligence or resources for low-class, poor women. They are only holding the cudgel of Roe v. Wade advocacy over womens' heads and using that to hold us hostage.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Glub glub glub. Down goes the ship.

Posted by: BBpd | September 2, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I have been in this country for 7 years and when I arrived I was struck at how poor and uneducated most blacks are. I could never figure out why most had children out of wedlock, sold drugs, and were in jail. They also have the highest rate of HIV. I suppose it is the slave metality from generations ago but at some point they will have to take responsibility. I think that is the reason Senator Obama appeals to so many whites because he isn't 100% black. He has a black face but the mentality of a white person. That makes the vote palatable and they can feel good about themselves. I doubt many of these white voters would go for an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson - just too black and they are for more representative of the black American - not Barack Obama.

Posted by: Rahiq Syed | September 2, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

JD, I wish it were as simple as abort vs. give-it-away, but there just aren't enough parents out there to handle all those babies. I respect Sarah Palin's decision to keep her Down-Syndromed baby. That's a tough call but she has the resources where that child (and subsequent adult) will be taken care of for the rest of their life, and so for her it was possible to make that choice. But if my girlfriend carried my Down-Syndromed child, I'm just too young and just don't have the resources to provide for that child. I wouldn't want to be told that my future (and that child's future) will consist of living in poverty and begging for help and handouts. Anyways, you're right, the country is mostly divided. I believe the middle falls somewhere under aboriton is bad but should be an option of last resort after careful deliberations. Last thought I have on that topic.
I will admit though, I do find it ironic that Sarah Palin can be so pro-life but so adamently against birth control and sex ed. I mean, if more people had the knowledge and access to condoms and other forms of affordable birth control, there would be that many fewer abortions.

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain wanted Joe Lieberman but would have faced a floor fight at the Convention.

So he ran to Alaska.......seems a bit short on testosterone.

Posted by: toritto | September 2, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The beautiful thing about the horrid selection of Sarah Palin by McCain is how many hypocrisies it highlights:

-- McCain claims he has superior experience, but his utter failure to give more than a passing vetting of Palin indicates how scattered his mind is and how utterly dangerous his judgment would be as president.

-- McCain claims to be a "maverick" but his selection of Palin was engineered by the extremist zealots of the Republic party in an effort to reassure their religious fanatic base. He did not know Palin (only met her once before offering her the nomination) and actually wanted other candidates on his ticket. He caved to the extremists because he did not have the spine to resist them.

-- McCain claims to believe that this election is important yet his pick of the frighteningly unprepared Palin indicates that he believes that this election is trivial and that it is not really important who gets to be vice president.

-- McCain claims to put "country first," but Palin belongs to the extremist Alaskan Independance Party which is in favor of seccession from the United States. She puts Alaska first over our nation.

-- Palin supported the extremist homophobe and racist Pat Buchannan, which says all one needs to know about her own personal bigotry.

-- Palin is deeply anti-science, supporting creationism and abstinence only sex education. Her inability to properly educate her own teenage daughter about sex indicates better than any diatribe how utterly worthless the abstinence only approach is.

-- Palin claims to be against porkbarrel spending. Except that she encouraged the earmarking of millions of dollars in federal spending for her tiny town and supported the "Bridge to Nowhere" when it was proposed.

Bottom line: McCain made a colossal blunder in judgment when he picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. Now all the world can see that his mind is disordered by emotion, his vision clouded by ambition, his common sense is subverted by political cowardice.

Posted by: dee | September 2, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Please go back and examine the archives for my call to elect sarah Barracuda a long time ago.

And they say zouk's predictions never come true.

this pick has lulled the big-mouthed reactionary Libs into screaming about experience. what a coup.

the ads this year are so easy. Take what the Libs say about each other and themselves and play. repeat.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

>>Leichtman wrote: "I posted the day before her choice that it would likely be a woman candidate even going so far to say how Obama insulted 18 million Clinton supporters and left an obvious political opening wide enough to drive a truck through to select a woman R. Just not this wholly unqualfied woman who couldn't win an election in a major industrial R state which actually requires expertise to run."

You said in your previous post that you supported Clinton. Well, you must be telling the truth because you, like me, anticipated on the night before his announcement, that McCain was going to pick a woman. A Clinton supporter wouldn't have been surprised by that pick.

The difference between you and I is that I see Barack Obama as far less qualified than Sarah Palin.

Obama was a state senator, who gave speeches, and voted "present" 130 times so as to not take any stands on 130 pieces of "controversial" legislation. The only tangible works he's produced in his life are 2 daughters and 2 fictionalized autobiographies. He didn't even collaborate on, produce or contribute to any legal journal, precedent setting cases or other professional contribution for over a dozen years of being a lawyer and lecturer. He didn't make partner in his law firm out of school. He has made no tangible or discernable contribution to his profession that bears his mark. Apart from those 2 autobiographies, Obama's only achievements are those that relate to his own advancement.

Barack Obama did nothing to address, note or confront the dirty corrupt politics of Chicago that makes Alaska look Pollyannish. In fact, he slid right up the greased pole of corruption and cynical politics of Chicago, accomplishing nothing but his own advancement, using racial politics of South Side Chicago and Trinity Church and every devious means possible to "win" the elections that he won (disqualifying opponents, etc.).

If you were really a Clinton supporter, the only way you can support Obama is either if (1) you are so blindly partisan that you can't see that McCain is the opposite of a Bush because you perceive all Republicans as evil or (2) you have some issue or agenda that nails you to Democrats so that the candidate doesn't matter.

I'd elect Sarah Palin for President over Barack Obama, who is the worst possible candidate ever.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

K-Zouk, thank you…actual content! And a good question. Over the last half century our national political system has grown so distorted that it’s become nearly impossible for the people we’d most want to be President, to make it through either Party's nominating process. Obama’s unprecedented path to the nomination and unique worldview mean he will be very different from any President of the last several decades. I think something very different is necessary (that’s my take on the ‘Change’ argument).

Two years ago, I first favored Bill Richardson based on his resume, while open to several others (including Biden and Clinton; and McCain, Guilani, and Romney). Richardson unfortunately disqualified himself by claiming to be able to foresee the future (his pledge to remove all troops within six months—I generally view any absolute "pledge" that way).

My first choice then changed to be Joe Biden, and most favorable 2008 ticket Biden/Obama. I’ve been willing to let McCain convince me and I’m very disappointed that he hasn’t even tried. His campaign’s switch to a complete attack-only mode (and especially, the lack of substance in those attacks) was what finalized my Obama vote. I must say I’m glad to get my ticket, if only in reverse.

It won’t, however, be a disaster for America if either Obama or McCain wins (partly because, despite the best efforts of VP Cheney, the actual power of the Presidency is more limited than most people realize).

— I believe John McCain has a pretty good gut instinct, meaning you, K-Zouk, might be very surprised by his actions in office (on immigration; the environment (including carbon offsets); Guantanamo, torture and civil liberties; and especially by how well he might be able to work with what is going to be an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress). I favor his position on free trade over Obama’s. I think I very well might have voted for the John McCain of 2000 and if he’s elected, I have some hope that’s what we’ll get. Even his selection of Palin instead of T-Paw or Romney, recalled some of that risk-taking independence.

— On the other hand, I settled on Barack Obama because I view him as having a far higher potential of real greatness than anyone else in the race (albeit with a somewhat higher risk of Carteresque failure). His ability to answer in other than sound bites is what first started me paying attention and he’s demonstrated a rational pragmatism, thoughtful temperament, innate intelligence, and a consistent and firm moral core (only the last shared by McCain).

Overall, I was pretty satisfied with the three finalists. As Pat Shiplett put it in an editorial cartoon:

… A woman...
… an African American...
… or a guy who won't torture people.
… Not Bad.

I thought all three had the potential to make a decent President but, as a middle-aged, retired military, decidedly non-cultish white guy, I have favored Obama ever since it became obvious Biden wouldn't be an option. Reasons?

* Degree in Int'l Relations
* Community organizer in poorest Chicago
* Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law
* President of Harvard Law Review
* Civil rights attorney
* Constitutional law Prof for 10 yrs (and won’t it be great to have a Pres who understand the Constitution?)
* IL State Senator for 8 yrs, passing healthcare for 150,000 people, ethics reform, videotaping interrogations
* US Senator for 3 years; Senate Foreign Relations Committee, bills incl weapons threat reduction, gov't transparency, lobbyist reforms, veteran's disability help, and (co-sponsored with McCain) Carbon reduction.

He seems strong enough on substance to me. Is it wrong that he is also inspiring? Again, came down to who I thought has the highest upside, albeit, with some risk (and McCain is a pretty high risk too).

But everyone, don’t be satisfied with what you're told...please make up your mind based on YOUR OWN understanding of the ability, intelligence, knowledge, views, positions, temperament, judgment, and moral strength of your favored candidate; not on someone else's distortions of that candidate.

Posted by: purplemartin | September 2, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, you wrote:
"As far as I'm concerned, it's time for a female executive and it's time for THIS female executive.
If there ever will be a first female president in the U.S., it will have to be a woman like Sarah Palin.
In gender terms, she is The One, and this is the right year to put her in office."


You know what? If you'd have said that, say, a week ago, it would have more credence. But I doubt you even knew who she was last week. Now, she's your idol.

Hmmm ...

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 2, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, as someone who lives next to section 8 housing, your uninformed statement that "This is 2008, not 1970. A woman can get an abortion if she has a few hundred dollars and Internet access." is laughable to me. Someone living in poverty who would be the least able to provide to a baby often has access to neither a few hundred dollars or the internet. The kids in the towers behind me are lucky to get their hands on a few bucks now and then. You think if one of them gets pregnant, they can just conjure up all the resources they need? I know the Republican party assumes that those living in poverty don't exist or don't matter, but no, not everyone has "a few hundred dollars and the internet".
It is you who belittles women by demanding they vote only for those with similar sex organs and ignoring all issues of any importance.

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

truthhurts - so you agree that Obama is a waffler then?

and your retort is "so is Mccain".

Is that the new politics I have heard so much about?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I used to think the WaPo should actually do what it says it does and remove "inappropriate" comments.

But now I'm thinking that leaving all the racist comments on here are helpful in that they show just what stupid frigging iceholes the McCain supporters are.

Posted by: No Way No How No McCain | September 2, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally I would be bashing her even if she were single and had no children. Just b/c she had children is not a license for her to become VP and assume the second most impt job in this country and on the verge of governing the most powerful country in the world.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Fuzzy, I appreciate your keeping the level of conversation civil, thanks. I stopped posting this board months ago because it devolved into shouting matches; it used to be better when we had some good regulars on, like USMC Mike and M in A. Anyway...

To a pro-lifer (again that qualifier), the choice isn't abort vs keep the kid, it's abort vs have-it-and-donate-it to an adoption agency. I agree that the idea behind pro-life is far from universal in America, but it's clearly not some outer fringe of opinion - maybe between 1/3 to 1/2 are against abortions, depending on how you word the question.

So at least she's being consistent, walking the walk so to speak; both with the would-be grandkid and the kid with Downs. Frankly, and I say this a pro-choicer: I respect that a heck of a lot more than a Clintonesque approach.

Posted by: JD | September 2, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"We have an extreme Antichoice candidate that would require that Rape Victims carry their child to term. "

I'm disgusted by this whole abortion debate as framed for us so patronizingly by the Democrats.

This is 2008, not 1970. A woman can get an abortion if she has a few hundred dollars and Internet access. Even if they ban abortion in Idaho, there will be states where women could go. Women won't be networking with local back-alley butchers to get abortions. The notion that women can, as an economic and logistical matter, be trapped by some paternalistic state into being forced to bear babies in this era of instant global information and travel, is a boogeyman that is framed in a very paternalistic, patronizing Democratic approach that infantilizes women.

Democrats are trying to hold women hostage with the Roe v. Wade boogeyman in 2008 using 1970 arguments.

It's despicable that we are pressured into voting to woman-belittlers and woman-bashers this year, for protection that they claim they will provide Roe v. Wade. "Shut up and get on board or Roe v. Wade will be jeopardized". That's the argument of the woman-abuser: "You don't like how I just slapped you? Well the other guys out there will treat you worse".

Screw you and the other misogynist, woman-belittling Obama supporters.

Besides, with a clear Democratic majority, there won't be any Roe v. Wade threatening judges or laws that will get through Congress. If McCain gets elected, it's the best of all worlds: a divided government with a reform minded moderate fiscal watchdog wielding a veto pen and a socially activist, Democrat led Congress.

As far as I'm concerned, it's time for a female executive and it's time for THIS female executive.

If there ever will be a first female president in the U.S., it will have to be a woman like Sarah Palin.

In gender terms, she is The One, and this is the right year to put her in office.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I don't believe women have abortions to hide their "missteps or the fact they have sex". I believe women have abortions because they believe they won't be able to provide for their baby or it will grow up in a far from ideal environment (read my previous post)
If "Pro-life feminism" consists of the government telling you that you have one and only one choice, granted I'm not a woman, but I don't see women seeing that being very empowering or liberating at all.
I don't bash Sarah Palin because her daughter is pregnant, that's between her and her family. I bash her because all McCain did was scream "Experience! Experience! Experience!" the last few months then he picks a VP who has the experience of a running a town of 6700 people and a state with more Caribou than people for a year and a half...

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl whereare you coming from??
"You say that you opposed Harriet Meiers, and you also opposed Clinton"?????

I was a Clinton Delegate you moron, and have p.o. supporters here since March in support of Hillary and started a Dems for McCain organization but havng second thoughts since Palin. I a not one of those brainless automatoms that support a candidate b/c they are a woman or Jewish etc who I totally diasgree with. Hutchinson and Whittman have a far wider grasp of foreign and eoonomic policies then Palin and certainly Tom Ridge was the most qualiied out there; regardless of their position of abortion which is far from the most impt issue for most thinking voters. And I will be the last one here that would attempt to defend Obama's experiece quotient, I have posted that hundreds of times here and heard their wrath from his supporters about that topic. But this is all about Palin and McCain's Judgement in selecting her not abot Oama. No one could reasonbly argue she was the best qualified R to be selected any more than anyone arguing that Meyers was eminenly qualified to sit on the US Supreme Court. Maybe she could have been selected for a very low level cabinet position Can you state that she was not a calculated move to appeal to some Clinton supporters? I posted the day before her choice that it would likely be a woman candidate even going so far to say how Obama insulted 18 million Clinton supporters and left an obvious political opening wide enough to drive a truck through to select a woman R. Just not this wholly unqualfied woman who couldn't win an election in a major industrial R state which actually requires expertise to run.


Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Zouk -
You can't be serious on shifting positions. How did McCain go from outcast in 2000 to nominee in 2008? Did the Republican party come to see his side of things, or did he shift his positions to get elected? You don't have to write a response ... I know the answer.

Why do I know the answer? I supported McCain in 2000, but he's a different person now.

So let's do this ... I'll fill out the answers about Obama's positions. I'll even make 2 columns : pre-nomination and post-monimation. But I want you to do the same for McCain. Same thing, two columns. McCain 2000, McCain 2008.

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I have more experience than my cat. vote for me!

although I must admit, catching mice does have its purpose. I will find one someday.

Posted by: snObama | September 2, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually, part of me feels a little sorry for the kid who got Palin's daughter pregnant. How much do you wanna bet that he's being followed every minute of the day by a couple of Karl Rove's goons, whispering to him, "You WILL marry Bristol Palin, you WILL marry her. Do you understand us?"
Hehe...

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

>>Fuzzy wrote: "Actually, it's people like Sarah Palin who want to pretend that people don't have sex, hence they want to teach teens abstinence-only and oppose birth control because after all, women should be asexual robotic creatures who should only have sex in order to produce babies."

You don't know Sarah Palin's culture of "pro life feminism" and you're talking like a judgmental, sexually naive bigot.

Beautiful women have sex and beautiful pro life women have babies.

The Palins embrace the babies that have happened in their lives, without shame and fear and the notion that they should hide and take beatings.

The Obama supporters who think that the babies are free license to go on the sexually judgmental attack and witch hunt, are male chauvinists who assume that being a pro-life feminist means being anti-sexual. They clearly believe that the Palins' babies are license to attack the womens' characters.

You guys are like a blast from a sexist, woman-abusive past.

Women have sex. Pro life women have babies. It's only sexist hypocrites like you who believe that aborting the babies so that missteps and slips are hidden, is more virtuous than giving birth to them.

Abortion isn't for the purpose of hiding the fact that women have sex, and choosing to have the baby isn't license for Obama supporters to bash the women as unfit or too sexual to hold public office.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

My husband and a conservative friend had a discussion in which the question arose: what does "maverick" (the word) mean.

According to the dictionary, it means "dissident."

Do we really want a dissident as President? Don't we want our President to have a rule in formulating policy instead of just opposing it?

As they say in the Princess Bride: I don't think that word means what McCain thinks it means.

Posted by: No Way No How No McCain | September 2, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin: Separatist, former mayor of a village, and a wannabe book-burner:


[Former Wasilla mayor John Stein] says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html


Here's one of those news reports from 1997:

City librarian Mary Ellen Emmons [Baker] will stay, but Police Chief Irl Stambaugh is on his own, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin announced Friday. The decision came one day after letters signed by Palin were dropped on Stambaugh's and Emmon's desks, telling them their jobs were over as of Feb. 13.


Both Stambaugh and Emmons [Baker] publicly supported Palin's opponent, long-time mayor John Stein during the campaign last fall. When she was elected, Palin questioned their loyalty and initially asked for their resignations. But Stambaugh said he thought any questions had been resolved.

http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/510219.html


Putting it simply, Sarah Palin's idea of executive leadership involves firing the people you perceive as non-supporters, and outright abuse of power.


If she were vice-president, would she call up librarians around the country and dictate to them? Would she invade our privacy like that? Try to equalize everyone by telling us what we can and cannot have in our libraries?


Finally, a quote. From Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451:

"We must all be alike. Not everyone born free and equal, as the Constitution says, but everyone made equal... A book is a loaded gun in the house next door. Burn it. Take the shot from the weapon. Breach man's mind."

Posted by: orange crush | September 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

All latest polls released today:

National Gallup Tracking Obama 50, McCain 42 Obama +8
National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6
National USA Today/Gallup* Obama 50, McCain 43 Obama +7
National Hotline/FD Obama 48, McCain 39 Obama +9
National CBS News Obama 48, McCain 40 Obama +8

=========

Palin is killing McCain.

Let the Palin candidacy deathwath begin! McCain will dump her only if he sees the polls going against him. That's all that matters. Forget the hypocrisy, the stupidity, the immaturity, the inexperience, the fringe looniness.

Posted by: We heart bimbos! | September 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

I agree that the experience argument should be Palin v Biden; Obama v McCain. Someone needs to tell that to the Obama campaign. If they had any sense at all, they wouldn't even respond to comparisons between Obama's and Palin's experience. It simultaneously highlight's Obama's lack of experience and knocks him down a notch by comparing him to a VP candidate. The Palin pick would certainly not be the right pick in terms of bolstering the experience of the repub ticket, but voters who consider experience the litmus test for the presidency would choose McCain over Obama regardless of who their running mates were simply because 99% of the time, veeps don't matter. In the immortal words of FDR, the VP spot "isn't worth a pitcher of warm piss."

Posted by: Dave | September 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

In honor of our party's committment to DRILL DRILL DRILL, we are adding a new activity to the convention I am hosting in the men's restroom/toilet facilities of the Minneapolis airport.

Tonight, in addition to having our Water Sports Extravaganza to honor our hot bothers in New Orleans (several hot young studs from Louisiana will be there to brandish their pumps and shower attendees with golden champagne), will be having our DRILLING FOR MUD BUNNIES FESTIVAL. For a fee, you can have your picture taken drilling Karl "Hot Karl" Rove's ample rear fields for delicious brown mud bunnies. These color glossie 8x10s are suitable for framing and make a wonderful Christmas gift for the well hung Republican in your life.

Please join us for the pinnacle of toilet hijinks and the hottest man to man action GOPStyle™. We have just sent out an invitation to Todd Palin to see if he will show us that rifle in his pants he uses to bag the "bears" in Alaska.

Hot times for all well hung conservative men are available at the Minnneapolis Men's Restroom, Councourse A.

See you there and God Bless.

Larry Craig, United States Senator (R-ID).

Posted by: Sen. Larry Craig, (R-ID) | September 2, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl wrote:

I see McCain and Palin as representing the future of Republican mainstream thought. I see the emergence of their ticket as a very positive thing.

My Comment:
Mainstream thought? We have an extreme Antichoice candidate that would require that Rape Victims carry their child to term. A candidate that believes that their State should be allowed to leave the Union. A candidate that believes that the world is about 7000 years old and that Creation should be taught in the schools. A candidate that believes that Global Warming does not exist. A candidate that is in favor of heavily arming the citizens. That's not main stream, that's out in looney land.

Aspergirl wrote:
The Republican party needs updating to the 20th century and it needs reforming after Bush's tenure.

My Comment: I would agree that Palin's views are 19th Century. And I would agree that she wants to update the party up to say, 1919. But since we are in the 21st Century, its time for 21st Century thinking.

The great irony is that if Liberals win, the Conservatives value choices are unaffected. They are free to continue to refuse abortions in the face of even rape. They are free to continue to only practice "just say no to sex" programs of Sex Education and ignore the option of contraception. They are free to ignore Scientific Fact and believe that the world is only 7000 years old and perform a dis-service to their children by teaching them the bedtime story of creation. The Liberals won't stop any of this. But the right wing, if elected, would immediately impose THEIR value codes on the rest of us.
That's why the choice of Palin counts.

(As a side note, your true colors are now really showing. No real supporter of Clinton would be supporting the Republican ticket simply because of Chromosomes...)

Posted by: AsperGirl

Posted by: You are kidding, aren't you? | September 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin: Separatist, former mayor of a village, and a wannabe book-burner:


[Former Wasilla mayor John Stein] says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html


Here's one of those news reports from 1997:

City librarian Mary Ellen Emmons [Baker] will stay, but Police Chief Irl Stambaugh is on his own, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin announced Friday. The decision came one day after letters signed by Palin were dropped on Stambaugh's and Emmon's desks, telling them their jobs were over as of Feb. 13.


Both Stambaugh and Emmons [Baker] publicly supported Palin's opponent, long-time mayor John Stein during the campaign last fall. When she was elected, Palin questioned their loyalty and initially asked for their resignations. But Stambaugh said he thought any questions had been resolved


Putting it simply, Sarah Palin's idea of executive leadership involves firing the people you perceive as non-supporters, and outright abuse of power.


If she were vice-president, would she call up librarians around the country and dictate to them? Would she invade our privacy like that? Try to equalize everyone by telling us what we can and cannot have in our libraries?


Finally, a quote. From Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451:

"We must all be alike. Not everyone born free and equal, as the Constitution says, but everyone made equal... A book is a loaded gun in the house next door. Burn it. Take the shot from the weapon. Breach man's mind."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

For months, Sen. McCain has trumpeted his experience and judgment as the reasons he should be the next president. For me, by choosing Gov. Palin as his running mate, he has effectively undercut both of those arguments.

Posted by: JG | September 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The ideal Democratic candidate:

"I'm a man and I can't get pregnant. So even though I have less experience and ability than that Alaskan woman who is lactating and whose daughter is clearly having sex as we all know women shouldn't get away with having, ELECT ME!"

"Hey, my job as state senator giving speeches and occasionally voting was such a critical one for building experience to lead the country that I could vote "present" instead of "yes" or "no" 130 times and no one even noticed!"

"I've admitted that I voted "present" 130 times so as to not take stands on controversial legislation that opponents could later criticize me on. Not taking stands on 130 controversial state laws is a big presidential skill that will serve me well in Washington!"

"I have produced some material works in my adult life: two fictionalized autobiographies I wove around myself. This is good experienced to be president."

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Purple - the question - “Are you ready to step into the Presidency?”

is even more important for the President, don't you think?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The selection of speakers tonight testifies to the fact that McCain is attempting to establish the brand as "McCain", and not the Republican Party.

Unfortunately, the brand McCain extends to those whom he (and only he) chose to join him on the ticket....the brand (and the product) is now McPalin, and not McCain.

Every marketing person knows that when you do a brand extension, you better have quality control in your new product or brand extension.

McPalin ticket here we go.

Posted by: Bill | September 2, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Truthhurts - indeed if you are a liberal it does indeed hurt.

you claim we know where he stands. Please refine the following positions:

abortion
gun rights
taxes
military
supreme court
energy
associates
wife
hillary clinton
Iran/Pakistan/Iraq
number of states

On zero of these has he been forthright and clear, in fact, his positions on almost everything have shifted to the center since he defeated hillary.

why do you think he is always called a waffler?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Amazing! McCain could have nominated Mickey Mouse for VP and the zealots would be speaking of his "experience in fighting cats" and his ability to bring over the mouse vote.

She is not qualified to be President and its especially telling when the President is 72!

John-boy should be sitting with me down here in Shady Rest Florida with the rest of the geezers in funny hats.

Posted by: toritto | September 2, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, I see that after a couple of almost rational statements you've reverted to your usual method of simplistic but content-free insult. Would you care to try for something more substantive? OK, here are several salient points.

First, both nominees did the same thing—with their VP selections, they addressed a significant ‘perception’ problem and shored up support with a needed constituency. Obama brought in significant foreign affairs expertise and addressed the “ordinary Joe” (working-class white) problem. McCain pleased the evangelical far right (a huge problem), added ‘youth,’ and can pursue the Women’s vote (while also tamping down a burgeoning “Elitism” problem which Romney would only have exacerbated). In both cases, they addressed a political problem with a political solution.

Second, and perhaps more revealing, all Presidents (and Presidential candidates) say the top question around any discussion of VP selection can only be “Are you ready to step into the Presidency?” This is a “necessary but not sufficient” issue…answering “No” is a disqualifier. There no dispute Sarah Palin is, by far, the least qualified—for President—VP selection in memory (who was less qualified? Not Quayle…Spiro Agnew?).

Obama passed this test by selecting Biden. As to McCain, well, let’s use the words of a well-known Republican Brain, Karl Rove, talking about a Presidential candidate selecting an inexperienced VP: “…it would be an intensely political choice where he said, ‘You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?’” (Rove was referring to Obama’s consideration of Tim Kaine—three-year governor of Virginia and before that, Mayor of Richmond VA—as VP).

Third point. This selection shows the McCain campaign had concluded they were going to lose with their existing strategy, and had to make an attention-getting and hopefully game-changing selection, despite the high risk. They decided to give up on the “Experience” argument and instead, challenge Obama with a “Change” campaign. Very high risk…but their view, and I agree, is “high risk” is better than “no chance.”

Unfortunately, it’s looking like they may have underestimated the risk.

Posted by: purplemartin | September 2, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

What, they canceled Guilliani? I guess they decided not to have serial adulterers night after all.

Posted by: ca-jac | September 2, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"The Obama supporters apparently believe in a woman's right to choose -- so long as they choose abortion so that woman can pretend that they never have sex and are asexual, robotic creatures otherwise they are unfit for high office."
Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:05 PM

Actually, it's people like Sarah Palin who want to pretend that people don't have sex, hence they want to teach teens abstinence-only and oppose birth control because after all, women should be asexual robotic creatures who should only have sex in order to produce babies.

And as for JD's comment (which I'll complement as a better constructed comment), I personally wouldn't want a fetus of mine aborted in 95% of cases, but notice the phrase I use after the comma..."I personally". You yourself ask me to put myself in a pro-lifer's shoes and yes, I understand why someone who is very pro-life can consider abortion murder. But that's a personal declaration, not absolute, universal truth. Sarah Palin's daughter is lucky enough to have gotten accidentally impregnated and have the support of both a mom and dad who just happen to have a combined income well over 6 figures. This girl will be supported, this girl will graduate high school and go to college, this girl will have access to everything she needs. The consequences of her accidental pregnancy will not prevent her from having any future she wants.
As for the 17 year old girl who gets pregnant with no or absentee parents, that lives in a home below the poverty level, and works after school to provide for herself, unfortunately she will not have what Sarah Palin's daughter will have. And to force another girl to keep the baby and say goodbye to her future just because she doesn't have the same resources as Sarah Palin's daughter doesn't seem right.

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"And another day brings another embarrassment for McCain. This time, the Senator, who publicly condemns earmarks (to the point that he even has an anti-pork barrel spending video game on his website), learns that his running mate actually condons them."

People have different opinions of what "pork barrel" means. Clearly, Palin rejects unnecessary or wasteful ones. The earmarks she supported and got were beneficial ones. The rail project, for example, is important. Railways are the transportation infrastructure of choice for a society that is going to go off petrochemical fuels and that wants to go ultra-low energy consumption. The youth programs were important.

Sarah Palin got really good earmark programs through. She rejected the wasteful, unnecessary ones.

McCain's position on earmarks is quite principled and extreme. He's an extremist when it comes to not liking any earmarks at all. She may or may not come to share his views when she is more fully mentored by him.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I have more experience than that 17 year old girl, Palin. and I'm not pregnant.

vote for me!

BTW, if I were pregnant, I would just dump the baby in some closet and let it die. I support that choice. If it lives, the rich should pay for everything.

Posted by: snObama | September 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

First of all PrincessofZouk, look at what I wrote. I didn't say you had to agree with his positions. I said he'd been vetted ... you know where he stands, like it or not, and he's fought off all kinds of personal attacks that were much more ferocious than what Palin is going through.

If you are a one issue voter, than I would expect you to vote for McCain on experience. Except, he hasn't run anything either. So maybe Palin should be at the top of the ticket. BTW, if she was so great, where has she been throughout this process? Seems like every other non-Washington type got press. Where was she?


Logic only works when you talk to people that are logical.

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 2, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

In honor of our party's committment to DRILL DRILL DRILL, we are adding a new activity to the convention I am hosting in the men's restroom/toilet facilities of the Minneapolis airport.

Tonight, in addition to having our Water Sports Extravaganza to honor our hot bothers in New Orleans (several hot young studs from Louisiana will be there to brandish their pumps and shower attendees with golden champagne), will be having our DRILLING FOR MUD BUNNIES FESTIVAL. For a fee, you can have your picture taken drilling Karl "Hot Karl" Rove's ample rear fields for delicious brown mud bunnies. These color glossie 8x10s are suitable for framing and make a wonderful Christmas gift for the well hung Republican in your life.

Please join us for the pinnacle of toilet hijinks and the hottest man to man action GOPStyle™. We have just sent out an invitation to Todd Palin to see if he will show us that rifle in his pants he uses to bag the "bears" in Alaska.

Hot times for all well hung conservative men are available at the Minnneapolis Men's Restroom, Councourse A.

See you there and God Bless.

Larry Craig, United States Senator (R-ID).

Posted by: Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) | September 2, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

>> Leichtman wrote: "I am in total disagreement over your deense of Palin. As a lawyer I opposed Meyers even though she was my past State Bar Presidentto when selected to sit on the S.Ct; As an American citizen it is beyond belief that any inteligentperson would find Palin remotely qualified as a VP"

Palin is more qualified than Obama is. She is more qualified for VP than Obama is qualified for VP. And she is certainly more qualified for VP than Obama is qualified for President.

You say that you opposed Harriet Meiers, and you also opposed Clinton.

Is there any woman, who rose to the top of her professional as a lawyer like Harriet Meiers or Hillary Clinton did, that you did support?

It was inexcusable to support Obama over Clinton with all of what we in America face today as historic global dislocations and unprecedented energy and economic and climate change problems.

Sarah Palin doesn't have a broad base of subject matter exposure because she's a young executive, but her exposure is really important. I like her stands and her record of action on energy, given the context of the Alaskan oil drilling culture she comes from. She is also going to be mentored and brought along by McCain.

I see McCain and Palin as representing the future of Republican mainstream thought. I see the emergence of their ticket as a very positive thing. The Republican party needs updating to the 20th century and it needs reforming after Bush's tenure.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama being black should be an issue in this campaign. He is an extreme left wing liberal who wants a socialist society. He is in favor of infanticide, high taxes, take from the rich and give to the poor. He sits on boards with terrorists, calls them mainstream and is a follower of marxist black liberation theology.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I am in total disagreement over your deense of Palin. As a lawyer I opposed Meyers even though she was my past State Bar Presidentto when selected to sit on the S.Ct; As an American citizen it is beyond belief that any inteligentperson would find >> Leichtman wrote: "Palin remotely qualified as a VP. Is his te best Amer hd to offer from the GOP?Even Dan Quayle had more international and economic knowledge and expertise then Gov Palin. As an educated person can you honestly state you trust her to know anything about sovereign wealth funds or the Mtg Crisis and trust that she could rationally deal with the crisis at Fannie Mae? Understand, I am not an Obama supporter by any stretch, but totally baffled by this purely political choice and surprised that you can not appreciate the shallowness of this very important decision by McCain."

Palin is more qualified than Obama is. She is more qualified for VP than Obama is qualified for VP. And she is certainly more qualified for VP than Obama is qualified for President.

You say that you opposed Harriet Meiers, and you also opposed Clinton.

Is there any woman, who rose to the top of her professional as a lawyer like Harriet Meiers or Hillary Clinton did, that you did support?

It was inexcusable to support Obama over Clinton with all of what we in America face today as historic global dislocations and unprecedented energy and economic and climate change problems.

Sarah Palin doesn't have a broad base of subject matter exposure because she's a young executive, but her exposure is really important. I like her stands and her record of action on energy, given the context of the Alaskan oil drilling culture she comes from. She is also going to be mentored and brought along by McCain.

I see McCain and Palin as representing the future of Republican mainstream thought. I see the emergence of their ticket as a very positive thing. The Republican party needs updating to the 20th century and it needs reforming after Bush's tenure.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

And another day brings another embarrassment for McCain. This time, the Senator, who publicly condemns earmarks (to the point that he even has an anti-pork barrel spending video game on his website), learns that his running mate actually condons them. A lot:


ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. 1 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog. [...]


"In fiscal year 2002, Wasilla took in $6.1 million in earmarks -- about $1,000 in federal funds for every resident. By contrast, Boise, Idaho -- which has more than 190,000 residents -- received $6.9 million in earmarks in fiscal year 2008."

"She certainly wasn't shy about putting the old-boy network to use to bring home millions of dollars," said Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense. "She's a little more savvy to the ways of Washington than she's let on."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090103148.html?hpid=topnews


Oh, she's savvy in Washington ways alright. In fact, as the article notes, earlier this year, "Palin's office sent Sen. Stevens a 70-page memo outlining almost $200 million worth of new funding requests for the state of Alaska."


McCain recently called Palin his "soulmate." I guess opposites really do attract.

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 2, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I really don't think that Bristol's pregnancy is or should be a real issue in evaluating Gov. Palin. She is an extremist theocon who wants to take choice away from other Americans, who wants creationism taught in schools alongside science, who seems to have little or no interest in foreign policy, etc. The list could go on.

This is not a person who is mainstream. She is extreme right wing. The other scandals and skeletons in the closet may be more titillating but her stances on issues - the real skeletons in her closet - are what need to be dug up.

Posted by: Birdman | September 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

In McCain's speech on Thursday he needs to look into the camera and speak to Obama. He needs to quote Obama from his speech saying that he is ready to have "that debate anytime." McCain needs to challenge Obama to 6 town hall debates with dates and locations. He needs to say that if Obama is prepared to lead this country and stand up to foreign threats than he should be prepared to debate McCain "anytime, anywhere". "We will have a seat for you Senator Obama, whether you show up or not." I hope you accept this challenge."

Posted by: Paul | September 2, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Purple - you seem desperate to change the subject from change, hope, experience, etc.

does ayone really care much about the VP pick. historically not.

you seem very concerned with teenagers, spouses, associates.

Better stay away from your candidates associates. that is poison.

Ever heard of an issue? It is what the thinking voter looks into. and by thinking voter I am referring to "Not you".

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the Republican delegates look like normal people, well dressed and educated. The Democratic delegates looked like people you see at the laundromat when you go there to wash big blankets.

The average personal weight of the Republican delegates looks a couple dozen pounds less than the Democratic delegates.

I bet that the airlines have to write down big losses after flying those low rent, obese Democrats to and from their convention.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

In McCain's speech on Thursday he needs to look into the camera and speak to Obama. He needs to quote Obama from his speech saying that he is ready to have "that debate anytime." McCain needs to challenge Obama to 6 town hall debates with dates and locations. He needs to say that if Obama is prepared to lead this country and stand up to foreign threats than he should be prepared to debate McCain "anytime, anywhere". "We will have a seat for you Senator Obama, whether you show up or not." I hope you accept this challenge."

Posted by: Paul | September 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I feel you owe me. that should be enough.

Posted by: a Lib | September 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Zouk so, again, your beef is with Representative Democracy. Mine is with Sen. McCain's Judgment.

Since Firday we've had the following announcements from the McCain campaign (all things McCain said he knew before offering the VP slot to Palin).

a. 17-year-old Bristol Palin's pregnancy, and her upcoming marriage to “Levi.”
b. Palin's leadership of the "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc." 527
c. Acknowledgment of Palin's husband's DUI.

I have a question for Sen. McCain...Anything else you’d like to tell us about?

…and now more things are coming out (that Palin supported the Bridge to Nowhere and other earmarks before she was against them, lawyer hired to defend her in ‘Troopergate,’ 90’s membership in the Alaska Independence Party, support of Pat Buchanan (and his isolationist platform) in the 2000 Presidential race, her fundamentalist church’s connections to the ‘Christian Dominionist’ movement, etc.)

I’ve taken Friday, Oct 3rd in the "VP Withdrawal Pool" (the day McCain 'reluctantly accepts her offer to withdraw'…don't think it will take that long but all the earlier dates were taken). Any other guesses?

Who wants to start a pool on the next selection for VP (hmmm...how about Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina...all his children are long grown and married).

Posted by: purplemartin | September 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least one thing has been accomplished during the Republican convention so far:

The term "HOCKEY MOM" has taken on an entirely new meaning after the events of yesterday and this morning.

Posted by: Patrick | September 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Asprgirl: even McCain, the man you apparently apologize for believes that there should be an exception for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. The bottom line is that this seletion has many ramifications beyond who's policy on abortion you agree with. Somehow you suggest that abortion is the number issue on voter's minds. Far from it.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Heehee. I could have gone to any golf course last weekend and found a more qualified VP candidate. Even my Republican friends (yes, some of my best friends are Republicans) are aghast.

"Geez! Is that the best he could do?? He could have gone to our last PTA meeting and picked any number of people - smart, educated, knowledgable people, who are more qualified than her".

And as an aside: Can you imagine the right wing apoplexy if an Obama 17 year old daughter was PREGNANT! And not married!!!

Oh! The shame!

...and so it goes.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

don't worry, in my amerika, you can still kill the little tyke, even after its born.

Posted by: snObama | September 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

>> kingofzouk wrote: "did any of you loony libs ever take a logic or math course and pass?"

No, the Obama supporter activist base, i.e. the DailyKos "netroots" who lurk forums, are C-average liberal arts students from 4th rate state schools who can't get jobs and want to tax people like me who got a real degree, because they feel they can't get jobs with their low-performance liberal arts degree due to some "social injustice" that taxing me to pay for their support will rectify.

I'm turning into a Republican.

They say that when you're young, if you have a heart you're a Democrat and that when you get older, if you have a brain you're a Republican.

These people don't have brains.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"After all, in Sarah Palin's America, after you've been violently raped, she would force you to keep the baby...maybe she would even push you to marry the father! And what woman doesn't love that!

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 12:52 PM "


Put yourself in a pro-life person's shoes: no matter how the baby was conceived, any abortion is murder. If it's wrong for a one-night-stand, John Edwards-style love child, it's wrong for all circumstances.

Posted by: JD | September 2, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"After all, in Sarah Palin's America, after you've been violently raped, she would force you to keep the baby"

And in the Democrats' version of feminism, if you don't take the opportunity to have an abortion to get rid of an inconvenient pregnancy, you're "fair game" to bash, sexually ridicule, and publicly humiliate as being unfit for office.

The Obama supporters apparently believe in a woman's right to choose -- so long as they choose abortion so that woman can pretend that they never have sex and are asexual, robotic creatures otherwise they are unfit for high office.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

dl did you read my post; I agree with you 100%. The media, not you are fixated with a Globe type story about her dghtr.
Asergirl I am one of the few here who has agreed with some of your posts but I am in total disagreement over your deense of Palin. As a lawyer I opposed Meyers even though she was my past State Bar Presidentto when selected to sit on the S.Ct; As an American citizen it is beyond belief that any inteligentperson would find Palin remotely qualified as a VP. Is his te best Amer hd to offer from the GOP?Even Dan Quayle had more international and economic knowledge and expertise then Gov Palin. As an educated person can you honestly state you trust her to know anything about sovereign wealth funds or the Mtg Crisis and trust that she could rationally deal with the crisis at Fannie Mae? Understand, I am not an Obama supporter by any stretch, but totally baffled by this purely political choice and surprised that you can not appreciate the shallowness of this very important decision by McCain.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse


Has anyone ever listened to Michelle Shaniqua Obama speak? She tries very hard to sound articulate but you can tell it's not natural. It's almost as if at any moment she will slip back into ghetto-speak. I bet that was the case when she gave her "whitey" speech at Trinity Church. I look forward to the release of that tape in October.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 2, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The Hypocrisy Factor:

Traditional, evangelical platform, but a reality that speaks otherwise.

If you run on a platform of traditional values, traditional hockey mom, etc., then you've gotta expect heat when your 17 year old daughter gets knocked up AND you fail to disclose this fact (at 5 months!) when you are introduced to the country that you may conceivably lead.

So yes, Palin's family management matters.

The Death Watch:
72, cancer x 4, POW for years, father dead at 70 = short remaining life expectancy.

If you're a smart, successful but BROKE DOWN old man of a candidate, you've gotta expect heat when you nominate a dark (dark, dark, dark) horse VP from a distant state.

And yes, Palin's experience matters more than other VP candidates in other elections.

Typical GOP doublespeak. Let's hope the US is smart enough to see past all this GOP garbage.

Posted by: 180 degrees | September 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

PurpleMartin - I would then insist you compere her to past Lib candidates:

Clinton - governor of a small rural state with no federal or foreign policy experience

Carter - ditto

Yet no one made a peep about this on the left at the time. and they were top of the ticket. I hope you Libs keep talking about experience all the way until your defeat.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure women will now line in droves to vote for McCain now that a woman is a 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency.
After all, in Sarah Palin's America, after you've been violently raped, she would force you to keep the baby...maybe she would even push you to marry the father! And what woman doesn't love that!

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 2, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Yo Zouk, the actual issue is different. Obama’s qualifications have been judged by Democratic voters to be sufficient and, if he’s elected President, he’ll have been similarly judged by all US voters. That means discussions of Obama’s qualifications are moot—the voting public is the sole judge of that. Questions of good judgment can be directed to system of Representative Democracy (admittedly, an interesting discussion of its own).

Judgment of Palin’s qualifications, however, is quite different. The sole judge of her qualifications was John McCain, and her selection calls McCain’s judgment into question. I’ll remind you of Republican Brain Karl Rove’s words. Talking about a Presidential candidate selecting an inexperienced VP, Rove said “…it would be an intensely political choice where he said, ‘You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?’”

Posted by: purplemartin | September 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Truthhurts. I must say I am swayed by your argument. I will therfore not be voting for Palin for President because I insist that person be better qualified. I have also eliminated george bush and hillary clinton from contention.

I am now ready to pick from the rest solely on the experience metric. guess who?

did any of you loony libs ever take a logic or math course and pass?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that the America has had over a year to evaluate Obama's experience and record. In the end, the Democrats decided he was the man. All he's done in the last 18 months is:

- Defeated the Clintons, one of the most popular Democratic political families of all time

- Run a campaign with the same team (check H. Clinton or J. McCain)

- Won more states, delegates and, yes I'll say it, popular votes than his competitors (popular votes are the least important, check A. Gore)

- Withstood attacks about his patriotism, his religion, his church, his relationships. Is he too black, is he too white, is he tough enough, is he too tough on Hillary, smears, whispers, innuendo.

You can disagree with his positions, but he's been vetted by the American public. Unlike Palin

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 2, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes. They're back on track to running America over the cliff.

Will the Repubs talk about know Palin's history that includes her former membership with an Alaskan secession party, AIP?

Will Repubs speak on "family values" or about the way Palin threw that child, her own flesh and blood, to the wolves yesterday? And today they want to blame others for their desperate and perverse scheme to change the story from mother to daughter.

"Family Values" Are they kidding?

AIP Vice Chairman Dexter Clark: “Our current governor, who I mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected… Sarah Palin… did get elected, there’s a joke… she’s a pretty good-looking gal… there’s a joke goes around…that we’re the coldest state with the hottest governor…(room laughter). And there’s a lot of talk about her moving up… she was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town, that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along. She eventually joined the Republican Party where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics and, uh, got well…I won’t go into that. Uh, she also has about an 80% approval rating and is pretty well sympathetic because of her, her former membership.”

More here:
http://healinganation.wordpress.com/

Posted by: tankas | September 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"There also are plans for President Bush to appear via satellite, according to McCain campaign manager Rick Davis."

LOL. Can he broadcast via satellite, from another planet?

The funniest thing about how McCain is saddled with Bush is that they hate each other anyways. They spoke less this year than Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton did between June and August.

Now, McCain is in a position to have to welcome the presence of the man whose incompetent candidacy he ran against in 2000, and whose failures he's being labelled with in 2008. All while the only way he can win is to try to put distance between them.

But then, now that the Obama supporters have the Palin sex themed attacks they can train their fire on Sarah Palin's daughter with, they don't need another witch to burn, do they? They can continue to sexually harass and try to publicly shame the girl for having sex and choosing to have the baby.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Leichtmann

did you read my port...it wasn't about pregnany...

it is about the fact that this woman has NO knowldege on ANY issue facing us...

20 months working WITH oil companies while her husband was working FOR them...

does not make her an expert on energy.

where are the interviews...

where are her answers from her mouth with follow-ups on foreign policy

the state and economics behind her beliefs in the social security system?

her issues with medicare?

what her beliefs are on separation of powers?

torture?

immigration and how she would deal with the economic effects of changes to the present situation?

her reasoning behind tax issues...in detail?

her understanding opf our history with Russia?

her understandign of Georgia?

terrorism?

the mujahadin?

Pakistan and India conflict

trade agreements with China and India
and considering her stances on global warming and refuting science on that and evolution...

how would she debate trade and industrialization in the great growing dangers of China's population and India's growing need?

her thoughts on the AIDS crisis...

who she looks to...

I mean this is a joke.

Obama for 20 months has shown a comprehension better than Mccain second to Biden maybe...

Palin...oh she's a woman so she gets a pass? oh she was a governor for 20 months... so she is an expert on management.

ugh

Posted by: dl | September 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes. They're back on track to running America over the cliff.

Will the Repubs talk about know Palin's history that includes her former membership with an Alaskan secession party, AIP?

Will Repubs speak on "family values" or about the way Palin threw that child, her own flesh and blood, to the wolves yesterday? And today they want to blame others for their desperate and perverse scheme to change the story from mother to daughter.

"Family Values" Are they kidding?

AIP Vice Chairman Dexter Clark: “Our current governor, who I mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected… Sarah Palin… did get elected, there’s a joke… she’s a pretty good-looking gal… there’s a joke goes around…that we’re the coldest state with the hottest governor…(room laughter). And there’s a lot of talk about her moving up… she was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town, that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along. She eventually joined the Republican Party where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics and, uh, got well…I won’t go into that. Uh, she also has about an 80% approval rating and is pretty well sympathetic because of her, her former membership.”

More here:
http://healinganation.wordpress.com/

Posted by: tankas | September 2, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I am not the father, so please continue to place this on the front page, as if it really mattered a lot.


If I were the father, you would ignore it, of course.

thanks MSDNC and NYTimes. I owe you.

Posted by: John edwards | September 2, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody, I'm the guy what knocked up the Palin kid. Have you noticed the pair of major league yabbos on her mommy? Bristol's ain't too bad neither!

Posted by: Levi Johnston | September 2, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

it is about awareness, knowledge and judgment.

that is the point of experience

why did Palin ask Kudlow what the VP did?

why did she not answer anything besides that she has not been focused on Iraq?

how can the RNC and Mccain say this woman is an expert on energy because she has dealt with the oil companies for 20 months.

I have dealt with this presidential campaign for the past 20 months am I Karl Rove?

this is dangerous...Obama has clearly shown an ability to comprehend the smallest details of questions of the odds we face. Biden has faced them. and mccain has faced them (as long as there is no more than one follow up)...

who has heard ANYTHING outside of the points in her speech about ANYTHING we are dealing with?

this is scary that a woman like this can use 20 months of working in a government that for all intensive purposes is only a 90 day a year small state government...with no diverse economy...no diversity in social issues...who is anti-science...and has shown a clear lack of, self-serving or two faced lack of values/ethics on so many issues.

there are 1000's of candidates that were better choices for the country

but as we have seen Mccain chose his own election over the country.

Posted by: dl | September 2, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

dl and about bailing out Fannie Mae and the mortgage crisis. Enough about the pregnancy already no one cares, there are serious issues that need our attention. What is her knowledge/postions on these pressing issues?

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, that lady is really smart!

Posted by: Dan Quayle | September 2, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok, can I just run against part of Palin's resume and ignore everythinkg else?

>>>>>>She Is a Small-Town Mayor. She Is Not — Repeat, Not — the Governor of Alaska. [Byron York]


In an interview of Barack Obama last night, CNN's Anderson Cooper mentioned Sarah Palin's experience as a small-town mayor and as governor of Alaska. Obama, hewing to his campaign's talking points, ignored the governor part:


COOPER: And, Senator Obama, my final question — your — some of your Republican critics have said you don't have the experience to handle a situation like this. They in fact have said that Governor Palin has more executive experience, as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state of Alaska. What's your response?

OBAMA: Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.

So, I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute, I think, has been made clear over the last couple of years. And, certainly, in terms of the legislation that I passed just dealing with this issue post-Katrina of how we handle emergency management, the fact that many of my recommendations were adopted and are being put in place as we speak, I think, indicates the degree to which we can provide the kinds of support and good service that the American people expect.

Just for the record, Alaska's FY2008 operating budget is $11.2 billion, and the state employs approximately 15,000 people. Those certainly aren't huge numbers in federal terms, but they're a good bit bigger than the Obama campaign.

Posted by: burst bubble turning laughingstock | September 2, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

change again

Obama showed he can answer questions and make judgment deftl;y on the issues

where are the interviews with Sarah Palin

again chris...

Where are the interviews with Sarah Palin asking about trade agreements, and presidential signing statements , our historical military record, NATO, social security numbers, poverty levels, historical tax histories and ratios, Georgia, terrorism, balance of power in Washington

where are they chris?

Why have we gone this long and no interviews answering these questions in detail and with knowledge...

could it be they are teaching her 30 second soundbites as we speak.

ugh

Why has she not sat down with people from NBC and ABC and CNN and the Wash Po and NPR etc...and answered questions of ANY sort about policies and the enormous problematic almost insurmountable in the next century ...issues we are faced with.

Where are the interviews?

Posted by: dl | September 2, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Dave: the experience argument should be Palin v Biden; Obama v McCain. Reach whatever conclusions you want about that but as someone who seriously considered supporting McCain before this boneheaded decision, someone your campaign desperately needs to reach, this choice speaks volumes about McCain's judgment, and I cannot think of one thing positive to say about it. It was all about politics pure and simple, and totally ignored the well being of our nation. Country First? That is not what that selection has communicated to this now undecided voter.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will, but HILLARY she aint, not even close.

Posted by: Huh | September 2, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The experience argument [James S. Robbins]

It's interesting that Barack Obama is publicly making the argument that he has more political experience than Sarah Palin. Why does the top of the Dem ticket feel the need to run against the bottom of the GOP ticket? It diminishes him. And by stressing experience as a metric, isn't Obama setting himself up for the inevitable losing battle of his time in office versus John McCain's? Anyway wasn't this election all about "change?" Didn't Hillary lose the nomination by stressing experience? They must really feel threatened by Ms. Palin.

Summary - the Dems are out of ammmo and when that happens, they resort to talk, talk talk, ending up losing as expected.

Posted by: change again | September 2, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Does recycling thoroughly discredited lies and innuendo about BHO somehow count as a rebuttal? Is that all you've got to counter an abysmal news cycle for the GOP? Wow.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | September 2, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat, a Hillary supporter, and a mom. I've had it with the attacks on Palin. It's offensive to wonder if she could handle the job just because she has 5 kids and a grandchild on the way. Many women do the same thing every day! No one asks Obama who's taking care of his young kids while he's campaigning. The Democrats are out-of-touch. I can relate to Sarah. She's just like me. I'm voting for McCain.
McCain/Palin '08!!!

or

I'm a loyal Republican and supported McCain in 2000. McCain had my vote this time as well. But Palin is not qualified to be VP. There is no excusing the choice. And I don't care how rich you are. You should know how many houses you own. I just lost mine trying to keep my business afloat. My party in 2008 is not the party I joined in 1994. It's time for a change because it can't get worse. I'm voting for Obama.
Obama/Biden '08!!!!

Posted by: WhichIsReal | September 2, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Joe Lieberman should be asked to formally announce that he is a R tonight. His so called bpartisanship is a charade. Palin's selection by McCan reflects more on his lack of judgment in selecting someone woefully short of experience then on Palin herself. In a normal Presidential year she would be booted from the ticket but not now. She is less qualified to be VP then Harriet Miers was qualified to sit on the Supreme Ct but that seems to be totally lost on a media more concerned about the pregenany of her daughter which seems to be a rallyig cry for the Sam Brownbacks of the world, then on her ability to run this nation's economy or foreign policy. And why not the relevant question yet to McCain about this choice and how it supposedly conflicts with his supposed stand against drrilling in Anwr. Country First, what a joke.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 2, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The real point of the Mile High speech, apparently, was to show that the Senator is both patriotic and tough. The timing was a bit odd, trying to poke a stick in the eye of John McCain, just as the Arizona senator was congratulating the Democratic candidate on his success in winning the nomination.

But the speech did not erase questions that go to matters of prudence and judgment. Sen. Obama still does not understand that it is unwise to trivialize the dangers of terrorism, by excusing “a guy in the neighborhood” who conspired to bomb the Capitol and the Pentagon and has never apologized for it.

The senator has dared any American to question his judgment, just because he stayed for two decades in a church whose preacher spouted angry sermons about America.

And he was pointedly sarcastic about John McCain’s pledge to hunt down Osama bin Laden.

Obama may not recall that the last Democratic president rebuffed an offer by the Sudanese government to deliver bin Laden into our hands in 1996. And even rejected a second offer by the government of Qatar when bin Laden’s plane stopped to refuel.

The senator may not recall that the last Democratic president delayed an air strike against bin Laden’s desert camp in 1998, missing him by several hours.

The senator does not question why the last Democratic president downsized the U.S. military and intelligence establishment throughout the 1990’s — helping to create the dilemmas we have faced with an overstretched army.

Sen. Obama’s claimed leitmotif in his permanent campaign for higher office has been “change we can believe in.” He has no record of change in the U.S. Senate, because he has been on the road ever since his first election to federal office.

Posted by: Mile hi BS | September 2, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if there is truth to Obama leaking Palin's pregnant daughter story to media, then publicly denounces it for political points? If so, is it because to distract the public of two of his personal issues that has been circulating all over the internet for 2 years... And they are:

1. His sex and drug rendevous with Larry Sinclar implicating closeted homosexuality - google "Obama's closeted homosexuality" and,

2. Has Obama's birth certificate been vetted? Is it legitimate? His citizenship is questioned because there are family members who witnessed his birth in Kenya? His mother married and divorced Indonesian man who adopted Obama? The actual birth certificate document confirms to be a forged copy. Apparently candidates have to be citizens to be eligible to run for President.....

Check out http://www.obamacrimes.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign is walking into a huge trap by directly questioning Palin's experience. The Palin pick is genius for one reason and one reason only. It has nothing to do with her being an outsider, a reformer, a maverick, a proven pro-lifer, or any of the other pundit talking points, although those probably don't hurt. By Obama and friends questioning Palin's experience, voters will automatically do a hypocrisy check comparing her experience to Obama's. If Obama had decidedly more experience than Palin, this would be a good thing for Obama. The problem for Obama is that when you compare his record with Palin's, reasonable people can disagree on whose experience has given them the best preparation for the White House. Whatever preparation for President very short stints as a governor or senator provide basically come out as a wash. This is very very bad for Obama considering he is at the top of his ticket. In short, by questioning Palin's preparation to be VP, Obama questions his own preparation to be President. People who think the Palin pick weakens McCain's experience argument with Obama are not thinking this through. If anything it magnifies it.

Posted by: Dave | September 2, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if there is truth to Obama leaking Palin's pregnant daughter story to media, then publicly denounces it for political points? If so, is it because to distract the public of two of his personal issues that has been circulating all over the internet for 2 years... And they are:

1. His sex and drug rendevous with Larry Sinclar implicating closeted homosexuality - google "Obama's closeted homosexuality" and,

2. Has Obama's birth certificate been vetted? Is it legitimate? His citizenship is questioned because there are family members who witnessed his birth in Kenya? His mother married and divorced Indonesian man who adopted Obama? The actual birth certificate document confirms to be a forged copy. Apparently candidates have to be citizens to be eligible to run for President.....

Check out http://www.obamacrimes.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Right or left, left or right?

Posted by: Obama People | September 2, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if there is truth to Obama leaking Palin's pregnant daughter story to media, then publicly denounces it for political points? If so, is it because to distract the public of two of his personal issues that has been circulating all over the internet for 2 years... And they are:

1. His sex and drug rendevous with Larry Sinclar implicating closeted homosexuality - google "Obama's closeted homosexuality" and,

2. Has Obama's birth certificate been vetted? Is it legitimate? His citizenship is questioned because there are family members who witnessed his birth in Kenya? His mother married and divorced Indonesian man who adopted Obama? The actual birth certificate document confirms to be a forged copy. Apparently candidates have to be citizens to be eligible to run for President.....

Check out http://www.obamacrimes.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy to finally have someone I can run against on equal footing. Except her actual accomplishments and my total lack of any. but nevermind that, the press will gloss that over.

It shouldn't matter that she is at the bottom of the ticket and I am at the top. If this bothers you, compare Biden to McCain. It all evens out according to me.

Posted by: Obamanable Snojob | September 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

How true, how true. The media scrutinizes Bristol more than Obama... how telling...liberal elites

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

When do I collect my $5000 from MoveOn for smearing the Palin family?

Posted by: Hope its soon | September 2, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused. (Well, SOMEONE is confused.)
The conventional wisdom was that Obama couldn't choose because passing over Clinton to pick another woman would offend Clinton supporters. Now, those same Clinton supporters are suopposed to be impressed that McCain chose someone whose only qualification is that she is a woman.

Posted by: Frank Palmer | September 2, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

In 72 hours, the media has subjected Bristol Palin to more scrutiny than they've given to Barack Obama in two years.

Posted by: MSM = stooges | September 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Part of Palin's 'vast' experience is Wasilla City Hall (you might have to wait a bit):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djcn0te/319098225/in/set-72157594414445112/
No, this is not a joke. Yes, it has all the stateliness and charm of a southern Louisiana bait shop. No, Palin did not handle Wasilla's 24-hour photo processing duties while she was mayor.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | September 2, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Desperation time for libs. they are clearly on the downside of the Obama bubble. too bad reality set in too early for them.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 2, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The only hypocrisy is with the Republicans. How much did O'Reilly and Limbaugh attack the Spears kid after she got pregnant at 17 and had a baby?

Everyone agrees teen pregnancy is a problem. Conservatives set themselves up when they argue teen pregnancy is a moral or ethical failure of the parents.

Or is it only OK for rich or powerful people to have out-of-wedlock. Because that always turns out well.

Posted by: No LouV | September 2, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I can put up a website and say Obama is going to step down because he has muslim terrorist ties..

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey, nopurple lips, do you happened to have the PINK LIPS? Is that your PINK LIPS made you hold so much contempt upon the purple lips? Is that your own lips' color guides your vote? What a mind!

Posted by: sigh | September 2, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

ohg is quoting some bs on the internet... typical Obama freak who is blinded and will believe anything...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

As an Ohio women you was undecided, leaning towards Obama, I am absolutely offended the way the media is treating Palin.. I am voting for McCain Palin because palin is a women. I guess in the same way blacks are voting for Obama because he is black.

Posted by: kelly | September 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The Convention will be derailed when Sarah Palin withdraws from the ticket. She was not adequately warned about the level of scrutiny of national politics. She will protect her family - she is set to withdraw. ........
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/02/gov-palin-to-withdraw-as-vp-candidate/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | September 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"post something on topic that didn't involve attacking Internet persona. Try it - you might appear smarter than you really are."


I agree. I started out doing this but when my numbers sank after Hillary left, I used my infinite wisdom and judgment and went on the attack. I think the new politics is overrated and used the change mantra to abandon that view.

Of course, with any and all Liberals, it is virtually impossible to appear dumber than you actually are.

Can I run against Palin or Bush, this old guy is too tough for a wimp like me.

Posted by: snObama | September 2, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Now that the Republican National Convention is back in full "swing" from the effects of Gustav, I want to remind you all that we have a great line up of entertainment taking place in the men's restroom/toilet facilities of the Minneapolis Airport.

In honor of the flood waters in New Orleans, Karl Rove and I will be hosting a Water Sports themed gala this evening. Hot young studs from all over America will be brandishing their pumps and pumping champagne for all attendees. You won't want to miss this extravaganza. This will be the pinnacle of toilet hijinks and and hot man to man action GOPStyle.™ Please join us, and God Bless.

Posted by: Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) | September 2, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Is part of Palin's "distinguished" resume the $26.9 million in federal earmarks she secured in her last four years as mayor of Wasilla, AK? (for those without calculators, that's about $4,100 in federal dollars for each resident of the town)

Does it include firing Alaska public safety commissioner Walter Monegan for refusing to can her ex-brother-in-law?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

one chapter of the tale remains a blank — his education at Columbia College, a place he rarely speaks about and where few people seem to remember him.

Contributing to the mystery is the fact that nobody knows just how well Mr. Obama, unlike Senator McCain and most other major candidates for the past two elections, performed as a student.

The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago. The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to the public.

Posted by: more secrets - shhhhh | September 2, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The hypocrisy of the democrats is astounding. They daily celebrate out-of-wedlock births by their celebrity pals. And the black base of the democrats have all but abandoned wedlock and have multiple children by multiple partners, many of whom do not take any responsibility for their children, other then the donation of sperm. The perfect affirmative action candidate, Obama finally has one thing right keep the kids out of it.

Posted by: LouV | September 2, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Thought I'd try something different and post something on topic that didn't involve attacking Internet persona. Try it - you might appear smarter than you really are.

While Lieberman speaks - policy wonks can't help but think: 'This guy was passed over for Sarah Palin'. Democrats will snicker 'McCain thinks Sarah Palin is a better VP than this guy.'

I don't appreciate Lieberman so much, but I think I'd rather him be President than McCain/Palin. Over the latter because he has some sense how to govern without revenue vastly exceeding expenses. And over the former - because I really don't want see and more examples of McCain's decision making. I've heard some pundits describe him 'rolling the dice' and 'a gambler'. We're playing for keeps with a nuclear arsenal. Go play gambling games somewhere else.

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 2, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

We know more about Sarah Palin in three days, warts and all, than we have learned about Obama in two years...

95% of American journalists are products of left-wing schools, and as a result are witting or unwitting shills for the DNC.

Posted by: Bilko | September 2, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

since he is clearly not to McCain's standards, let's us a little AA and compare him to the chick.

"And yet throughout her adult life Palin, again unlike Obama, overachieved. In 1992, she got elected to the Wasilla, AK city council. In 1996 she became mayor. She was by all accounts a very successful mayor. Her résumé entry for her mayoral years would have all sorts of bullet points for tangible accomplishments like reducing city property taxes by 40 percent. Similarly, Palin's time as governor has been distinguished. Both would starkly contrast with the various stops in Obama's career where he occasionally held impressive titles but accomplished little.

Two things would leap out from Sarah Palin's résumé--a pattern of overachievement and a pattern of actually getting things done. Two things would also leap out from Barack Obama's résumé--an undeniable wealth of talent and an equally undeniable dearth of accomplishments.

While it has become almost a cliché on the right to belittle Obama as a talker rather than a doer, his résumé suggests just that. Obama does have the requisite brain power to be president; it's unlikely that the intellectual demands of the job would overwhelm him. But his past work experience is unnerving. Obama had ample talent to excel at all the other positions he has held, and yet he accomplished little at each. So what would he do as president? Would his efforts in the Oval Office be as indifferent and irresolute as they've been at every other stop along his professional path? Could one imagine him making the political sacrifices and showing the fondness for bold action that characterized Harry Truman.

Posted by: I doubt it | September 2, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

We know more about Sarah Palin in three days, warts and all, than we have learned about Obama in two years...

95% of "journalists" are shills for the DNC.

Posted by: Bilko | September 2, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

WHAT STORY DOES Barack Obama's résumé tell? Obama became the head of the Harvard Law Review in 1990 and graduated Harvard Law magna cum laude in 1991. These accomplishments suggest great intelligence and strong interpersonal skills. They also suggest limitless potential.

So what did Obama choose to do with his limitless potential after leaving Harvard? Not much. His first two years out of law school, he began writing a book, commenced lecturing at the University of Chicago Law School and returned to his old vocation of community organizing. Obama's résumé would probably advertise the fact that he eschewed big money options to better serve humanity in these various capacities. Many members of the legal community would view these claims of selflessness with skepticism. Some cynical readers of his résumé would infer that he spent the time "trying to find himself," and perhaps think of the old Bill Cosby crack that after two years of searching, he should have been able to find not just himself but a couple of other people as well.

All readers of his résumé circa 1993 would ask what Obama accomplished at his serial vocations. And there the story gets grim. He didn't finish his book during the two years in
question. He didn't pursue any scholarship at the University of Chicago, so his career there stalled at lecturer and never advanced to the professor level. And as is ever the case with something as nebulous as community organizing, pointing to tangible accomplishments would be impossible.

Thus begins a pattern of under-achievement, or more specifically non-achievement, that has followed Obama since law school. In later years, Obama practiced law for a few years and then he had enough of that. His 1995 book, Dreams From My Father showed much promise, yet Obama didn't further explore his skills in this area until over a decade later with the best forgotten campaign tome, The Audacity of Hope. Similarly, Obama was a part time state legislator of minimal accomplishments. When Obama went to the United States Senate, he impressed his colleagues with his potential. But he again never attempted to tap that potential, beginning a run for president shortly after his arrival in the World's Greatest Deliberative Body

Posted by: still looking | September 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Hey John--

Maybe Sarah Palin IS THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE....

Time to cut bait Old Man--Shouldnt have let the Right Wing Neo Cons make the first and most important decision of your campaign.....TSK TSK TSK

Posted by: misssymoto | September 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

A card carrying NRA governor, and an expectant daughter. Gives a whole new framework to 'shotgun wedding'!!

Posted by: pfc48 | September 2, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Garbage in, garbage in, garbage to the moon. Why is it that thoughtful, serious posters have to compete so hard for airtime with idiots, spammers, racists, and other such beings

Posted by: nclwtk | September 2, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

since our laed candidate is simply not qualified to be President, would it be OK with everyone if we compare him to your vice president candidate instead? I think we may have a contest there.

Posted by: Howeird | September 2, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I see the Liberal loons are still going strong here today.

time to adjust your tin foil hats again. the frequency is shifting.

Posted by: loony libs | September 2, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

www.muslimsforobama08.com

You must vote for the muslim

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Stop Purple Lips!

Posted by: nopurple lips | September 2, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I resemble that remark. My lips are purple because of my thin skin and the blue blood coursing through my veins.

Posted by: snObama | September 2, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow what a fool. Purple lips told Anderson Cooper that he has more experience than Palin because he has run a presidential campaign. What a friggin fool!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Maybe now that New Orleans survived Gustav, George Bush can fly over Minnesota to look down and see the destruction below.

Posted by: RudyinBangkok | September 2, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Now that the Republican National Convention is back in full "swing" from the effects of Gustav, I want to remind you all that we have a great line up of entertainment taking place in the men's restroom/toilet facilities of the Minneapolis Airport.

In honor of the flood waters in New Orleans, Karl Rove and I will be hosting a Water Sports themed gala this evening. Hot young studs from all over America will be brandishing their pumps and pumping champagne for all attendees. You won't want to miss this extravaganza. This will be the pinnacle of toilet hijinks and and hot man to man action GOPStyle.™ Please join us, and God Bless.

Posted by: Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) | September 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

New Hotline/FD poll has McCain under 40%, trailing Obama 48-39.

Rasmussen tracking has Obama over 50% and leading 51-45.

CNN has the only poll vainly clinging to hope that this will stay close. Everybody else is showing Obama building momentum during the Republican convention.

Quick! Send in Lieberman and Thompson! Maybe McCain won't look so old and out of touch!

Posted by: JamesCH | September 2, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

You're assuming that they were once on track. James Dobson wanted his followers to pray for bad weather for Obama's speech in Denver. Was God not listening? Or did He confuse the request by sending Hurricane Gustav to disrupt the Republicans? But, on second thought, maybe it was a blessing in disguise for the Republicans?? After all, what would they have talked about on that first night? The hurricane gave President Bush an excuse not to show up, which was OK with a lot of people. Also, it gave the Palin stories a day or so to cool off. Maybe God is trying to help the Republicans after all?

Posted by: kralford | September 2, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse


THE PALIN IMPLOSION CLOCK IS TICKING...


• She's badly broken the "First, Do No Harm" rule

"Without oxygen" the Palin story will flicker? Seems like the flames are spreading. Now we learn that:

1. Palin was "for" the bridge to nowhere before she was against it, casting doubts on her statements about the subject.

2. Palin, McCain "soulmate," secured multi-millions in earmarks for her tiny Alaska hamlet of Wasilla, quite a contrast to the McCain record and rhetoric on pork-barrel spending.

3. Palin was a member of a successionist fringe radical political party in Alaska, as reported yesterday by ABC News' Jake Tapper.

4. Palin's office reportedly took down pictures of her family from the official Alaska state web site, something that was first reported by bloggers who posted "cached" copies of the pictures, but was later confirmed by those who attempted to view the pictures on the official web site.

5. Conservative web sites have begun posting articles and commentary questioning McCain's vetting process and the wisdom of naming a candidate with no national security experience (notably, a lead post over the weekend on RedState.com).

It's been noted that the "talking point" about her commanding the Alaska National Guard is specious; Cindy McCain's silly remarks about Alaska being close to Russia only add to the farcical nature of the Palin apologia.

Another possible sign of GOP worry over Palin: Some of those anti-Palin web sites that have popped up, featuring candid photos like the one of a woman in a bikini, said to be Palin holding an assault rifle, appear to be amateurish fakes -- possibly the work of paid disinformation agents trying to make bloggers who raise questions about Palin look like far-out crazies.

But even if Palin withdraws, this story won't end there; perhaps the original account first published on "Kos" will be proven true. Remember what happened in the John Edwards baby scandal -- the National Enquirer was miles ahead of the mainstream media in reporting and confirming the story, which still is reverberating among the Dems. I'd still like to know what Obama knew and when he knew it.

Chris, if you talk to the right people, you may find that a McCain VP change is in the wind -- why else would the McCain campaign be keeping Palin cloistered today, with no public schedule?

Not all Repubs are falling in line here. GOP powerbrokers have to be troubled by Palin's lack of experience and McCain's forfeiture of the experience argument against Obama. This state of affairs cannot stand, because it's damaging the McCain "brand" with each new disclosure.

Palin has badly violated the cardinal rule of vice presidential politics, which, of course, is "First, Do No Harm."

Palin's withdrawal could be imminent; please stand by...


BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

Posted by: scrivener | September 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/intrusive-personal-questions-from-palin.html

Monday, September 01, 2008

"Intrusive Personal Questions" from the Palin Vetting Questionnaire

"Mr. McCain’s advisers said repeatedly on Monday that Ms. Palin was 'thoroughly vetted'"- The New York Times

Palin "responded to a 70-question form that included 'intrusive personal questions' a senior campaign aide said today."- The Washington Post


"Intrusive Personal Questions" from the Palin Vetting Questionnaire:

1) Did we forget anything?

2) Secession from your own country is

a) Patriotic
b) A qualification to be the potential leader of that country
c) Maverick-y!
d) None of the above

3) John McCain has said that he has followed your record for "many, many years." Divide those "many" years by the number of years of your actual record. The result is

a) Three days
b) Two years as mayor of a town of 9000, and 20 months at the helm of the vaunted Alaska National Guard
c) 0: experience, as we know, is not relevant to one's record
d) Czechoslovakia

4) Moose Burger : Abstinence as Moose Hunting :

a) Brother-in-law
b) 50 state flag
c) Bridge to Nowhere (after it was made impossible)
d) All of the above

5) Did we forget anything?

6) Three Vice Presidential candidates are moving from three equidistant fixed points towards a podium. One, in his slightly glazed stare and awkwardly quasi-combative speech bears a faint resemblance to Dan Quayle; the next can only assist the ticket as we near closer to Rapture; the third seems to have stumbled out of one of Christopher Buckley's sharper efforts. Which one arrives at the podium first?

7) "Nothing that has come out did not come out in the vet." This sentence actually means:

a) Everything has come out and everything has been vetted
b) Everything that was vetted has come out
c) Everything that has come out was vetted
d) The vet came out and vetted the vets vetter than anything has ever been vetted. Really.

8) You are a right-wing, red-state conservative. During the Clinton Administration, you believed that President Clinton's behavior with Monica Lewinsky disqualified him from the Presidency on moral grounds; you fervently raised the terms "Lincoln Bedroom" and "Johnny Chung" to invoke notions of utter corruption, and regarded the "Travelgate" firings as an abuse of power. In the face of the recent revelations regarding Palin's directorship of Ted Stevens' 527, support of the Bridge to Nowhere, "Troopergate" imbroglio, and illegitimate pregnancy of her 16-year old daughter, you:

a) Blame George Soros
b) Talk about Bill Clinton instead of Palin
c) Hold your hands over your ears and loudly shout "La la la"
d) Try to change the subject

9) "Foreign policy experience" includes:

a) Being near another large nation
b) Seceding from your own country and then taking up residence in the new nation
c) Being close to "Nowhere" in your support for the Bridge to Nowhere, which is different than being "Somewhere"
d) Blame George Soros

10) If you were seeking to choose as your running mate someone who would please Evangelical Conservatives with very traditional values, who would be without taint of corruption or misuse of government power, and someone who, in line with your campaign's own slogan, would put "Country First", after thorough vetting and "intrusive personal questions", you would choose someone who:

a) Supported the Bridge to Nowhere
b) Supported the secession of Alaska from the U.S. (Slogan: "Alaska First!")
c) Was the subject of a state ethics investigation due to allegations that she had tried to have her brother-in-law fired and that she fired the state public safety commissioner due to his unwillingness to fire the brother-in-law
d) Would suffer from allegations that her 16 year old child had become pregnant illegitimately, despite her fervent support for abstinence only sex education
e) None of the above

Cite
Head of State:
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/intrusive-personal-questions-from-palin.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | September 2, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

re: the 8-10k protesters outside the GOP convention. They should let them in - it would be the biggest crowd the McCain campaign has ever assembled.

The remainder of this convention should bring plenty of dissembling and backpedaling from GOP faithful over the Palin pick. The Republicans should hope for a hurricane a day until November, to distract the media.

Chris, how many pundits at the convention are riffing on the Juneau/Juno type puns?

Posted by: bondjedi | September 2, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse


I forgot to note the very interesting fact that Vice President Cheney has been sent out of the country, presumably far away from the domestic press. Is this an accident or a way of removing him from view? Will he be condemned to circling the globe for the next two months, going from one small ally to another?

One does have to wonder at the timing...

Posted by: PatrickInBeijing | September 2, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse


The mainstream media is avoiding what may be the real issue: that in fact Bristol Palin is not pregnant now but delivered a child in April of this year, the child named Trig claimed to be Sarah Palin's.

Research by alternative media is revealing that:
1) In March of this year, Sarah Palin first announced her "pregnancy" one month before the child was born. Friends and coworkers had been unaware of it, and she did not look pregnant.
2) Bristol Palin was out of school for five months (allegedly due to mononucleosis) at the time Trig was born.
3) Sarah Palin was at a Texas conference in April when she claims her "water broke". She delivered a speech to the conference, then traveled to a backwoods hospital in Wasilla Alaska (where she was mayor and has great influence) to "deliver".
4) Photos of Bristol Palin in late 2007 show that she, not her mother, appeared to be pregnant.

I agree that 17-year-old Bristol Palin should be off-limits, but Sarah Palin, as vice-presidential candidate, gets no such free pass.

If she has deceived the American people by claiming her daughter's child is her own, covering up that falsehood by saying that her daughter is now pregnant, we deserve to know.

Why is the McCain camp sending a large group of "vetters" to Alaska now - to get more information about Palin or to dispose of the evidence against her?????

Posted by: bam | September 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

For uncensored news please bookmark:

www.wsws.org
www.takingaimradio.com
www.onlinejournal.com
www.globalresearch.ca

http://www.gregpalast.com/steal-back-your-vote-2/#more-2067

One out of five Colorado voters purged from voter registration
Outcome of 2008 election likely to be skewed by unethical tactics

Steal Back Your Vote!

RealVail.com

By David O. Williams

August 27, 2008 — Robert Kennedy Jr. had a pretty good excuse for skipping his scheduled appearance with investigative journalist Greg Palast to promote their latest project, “Steal Back Your Vote” — a report on voting irregularities and fraud in the 2008 election.

Palast, speaking at the Progressive Democrats of America gathering at a downtown Denver church during the DNC Tuesday, excused Kennedy’s absence to be with his uncle, Monday’s inspirational surprise speaker Sen. Ted Kennedy, and introduced a surprise replacement of his own, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now.
Progressive investigative journalist Goodman asked a delegate to hold up a goody bag with sponsor logo from AT&T on one side and decried the influence of big corporate money on the modern American political process.

She talked about trying to get into a delegate gathering at Mile High Stadium Monday and being denied access by towering security guards. Goodman said delegates at a corporate party are in training for just how skewed by campaign contributions politics in America have become, and added that there can be no good reasons to keep the press out, only bad ones.

“When you’ve got money saturating politics, and even if you care deeply about the public good, you’ve got to see where the money is and that’s what this is about every four years,” Goodman said. “It’s about teaching (budding politicians) big-money politics.”

Goodman said AT&T’s sponsorship of the DNC is the Democrats’ reward for refusing to block a bill several weeks ago giving telecom companies retroactive immunity for facilitating domestic spying by the feds. She also urged support of independent media during both parties’ political conventions in order to limit and expose excesses by police against protesters in Denver and Minnesota.

Palast took back the microphone to talk up his project with Kennedy, which will be the subject of a feature in a major national magazine next month and which also will be released as a 24-page comic-book-style PDF illustrated by three top political cartoonists. The report will be available on the Web site www.stealbackyourvote.org.

Palast said former Colorado Secretary of State Donetta Davidson has made the state the epicenter of the rampant practice of purging voter registration lists for alleged irregularities — a tactic now even more en vogue in the wake of new legislation backed by the Bush administration.

“Now under the Help America Vote Act the entire nation is Floridated, but the champ, [former Florida Secretary of State] Katherine Harris, ain’t got nothing on Colorado,” Palast said. “We’re sitting at purge ground zero. The reason that there’s a convention here is this is a swing state where Democrats are piling in, tens of thousands of new voters in Colorado at the top of the bucket, but at the bottom of the bucket the spread sheets are going (poof).

“What’s happening? Donetta Davidson, who had been secretary of state in the state of Colorado, removed 19.4 percent — one out of five voters in the state of Colorado, she removed their names. And what happens to Davidson as a result of this? The answer is George Bush made her head of the brand new Election Assistance Commission, where she can train all 50 secretaries of state in her purging ways. In fact, President Bush, instead of calling her chairwoman of the EAC, was going to call her the Purging General.”

Posted by: che | September 2, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

As the Palin sideshow continues to play out, the only real suspense during the GOP convention is: will Palin withdraw and open the the door to Lieberman/Thompson/Romney? Easier and cleaner to do that this week than next.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | September 2, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Thank God we still get to hear from Fred Thompson!

Posted by: Blarg | September 2, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans seem to be unlucky. The hurricane threw them off whatever their original plan was, but then failed to come through as a well handled disaster. (It seems to have been well handled, which should go to the credit of the Republicans, but was not enough of a disaster for bragging rights.)

The Republicans were also looking good with a chance to show how much they care by doing good deeds during their convention (a very positive, and possibly winning message), but now will probably return to an attack mode. So, in this sense, their good reaction to the hurricane will be wasted. Bad luck!

They have benefited by having the hurricane distract from the Palin story. It is not clear if there is "anything" there yet. Certainly she is off to a poor start, but in this case, the hurricane may give her time to pull it together and recover.

Can't wait til she starts giving interviews, that may be the make or break point for her. What an interesting year!!

Posted by: PatrickInBeijing | September 2, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

So Biden has had 2 brain aneurysms, but did you notice anyone calling for his medical records like they did for Cheney and McCain? Biden had 5 draft deferrals from Vietnam, eventually getting a medical deferral for Asthma????? Let us compare that to the treatment of Bush and Cheney draft deferrals. silence from the low life MSM. Beward the outraged public. The only good thing is that more layoffs will come to the WaPo and NY Times, and these so called journalists will be back to flipping burgers, which is all they are qualified to do.

Posted by: Karen | September 2, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, you need to check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI Sarah Palin addressing and endorsing the Alaskan Independence Party in 2008. These people are trying for secession and advocating the dissolution of the US.

Posted by: Meaux | September 2, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Talk about distractions on the sideline tonight at the convention. Have you seen these attacks on Sarah Palin, they are shameful. Ive even seen some questionable pictures of her at http://www.theveep.com Wow people will stop at nothing in politics

Posted by: Peter Yanni | September 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

So, did the government exaggerate this storm to allow the Republicans to avoid reminding the country that Cheney is VP -- they now get to skip his speech as well as speeches about their oppressive platform.

Posted by: Paranoid | September 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Talk about distractions on the sideline tonight at the convention. Have you seen these attacks on Palin, they are shameful. Ive even seen some questionable pictures of her at http://www.theveep.com Wow people will stop at nothing in politics.

Posted by: Yanni | September 2, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

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