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GOP Veepstakes: How We Missed It

ST. PAUL -- When The Fix's final GOP Veepstakes Line came out, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin wasn't even on it.

The names -- Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman and former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge -- that we did include were, based on our reporting the most likely (and, indeed, only) candidates that John McCain was considering.

So, what happened?

From the start, our reporting suggested that the McCain campaign wanted to put a woman on the ticket -- to counter the historic nature of Barack Obama's nomination as the first African American nominee and to capitalize on the real disgruntlement among supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton (mostly women) following the bitter and divisive primary fight against Obama.

But, what woman? The party had a decided dearth of female elected officials. The names that came up most were Palin, Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison and business executives Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman -- both of whom were close advisers to the McCain campaign.

Both Fiorina and Whitman seemed like longshots. Picking a businessperson who has never been vetted before on the national level is recipe for disaster; in any business (or at least in the majority of them) jobs have been cut our outsourced and, when the economy looks likely to be the central issue of the election, it's a risk no presidential candidate or campaign is likely to make.

That left us with Palin and Hutchison. (The idea of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as McCain's vice president was always far fetched; Rice has never shown ANY interest in elected office.)

Hutchison didn't make the cut for three reasons. First, she has young children. Second, she seems far more focused on a return to Texas to run for governor in 2010 than continuing her life in Washington. Third, she's from Texas -- a too-close connection to the current president and his stunningly high disapproval ratings.

And so we turned to Palin who, despite a very short time in public life has an attractive story.

As we wrote in our mid-July Line when we ranked Palin the fifth most likely to be selected:

Palin's name doesn't appear on many vice presidential lists but if you believe that McCain needs to make a totally out of the box choice, she fits the bill. Palin, elected in 2006 on a reform platform, may well be the most popular politician in the country, and her story -- former high school basketball star and beauty queen, mother of five including a newborn with Down Syndrome -- is the sort of narrative American voters could fall in love with. Plus, picking Palin would send a message to disaffected Democratic-leaning women that McCain is paying more than lip service to the notion of changing the face of the Republican party.

Not bad, huh?

Of course, Palin's name came off subsequent Lines based on our reporting (and our belief) that she was too much of a wildcard pick for McCain -- especially as a series of national polls showed him closing the gap with Obama.

Two other things kept us from re-installing Palin on the list.

First, the news that her son -- the fifth child for the family -- had been born with Down Syndrome in April. The idea of a woman with five children -- one of whom has special needs -- who also happened to be the governor of a state would be picked (or, more importantly, want to be picked) seemed far fetched.

The second was the investigation into the firing of Palin's Public Safety Commissioner and the allegation that the dismissal came in response to his unwillingness to let go an officer from whom Palin's sister was getting divorced.

Alaska blogs -- and to a lesser extent Alaska newspapers -- went wild over the story, painting it as a sign that the reformer's reputation had been badly tarnished. Palin has denied wrongdoing but the reports out of Alaska seemed to suggest that the incident would put the kibosh on her chances.

As the decision day drew ever closer, sources who insisted they were familiar with the process, gave every indication that the pick would be a safe one -- believing that McCain did not need to take a risk with the pick.

And, in our defense, the reporting on McCain's decision-making process seems to suggest that the candidate himself was something of a late-arriver when it came to Palin. He met her first in February at the National Governors Association conference in Washington. (The Fix met the governor for the first time at that same meeting; when we asked her about the possibility of serving as the vice presidential nominee, she declared it an "impossibility.")

What all of the above points to is that the figuring out the veepstakes -- as we regularly warned during the process -- is somewhere close to impossible. As the desire to keep the identity of the pick a secret (and the media's desire to reveal it) has grown over the last few elections, the campaigns have wisely shrunk the number of people who really know what is going on.

That means that when considering the vice presidential speculation the old adage rings true: Those who are talking don't know and those who know aren't talking.

Lesson learned -- until the next veepstakes in four years time!

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 30, 2008; 3:05 PM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008 , Fix Notes , Veepstakes  
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How well did Obama vet Joe Biden?
Didn't he discover that Biden's son - the lobbyist, not the one who gave that excellent speech at the Dem Convention, accepted a $500,000 contract from MBNA, just as his father sold his vote on the Bankrutcy Reform Act to the credit card giant? See last week's New York Times and check it out. Biden was one of the few Democrats to vote with MBNA.

Posted by: Scott | September 1, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The CNN and ZOGBY polls which actually WERE started after the Palin pick show a one pt lead for Obama and a 2 pt lead for McCain respectively.... so sfar so good on the Palin pick.....
I just saw a beautiful ad for compressed natural gas, a domestic energy source that will reduce our dependence on foreign oil....which executive in the race got a natural gas pipeline approved in het state??? Joe Biden "LITERALLY" voted against the first transalaskan pipeline!

Posted by: Scott | September 1, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

A Guy,

So Obama vetted his VP choice. Please, he took a risk that foreign policy was going to kill him in the general election and he decided he needed a “Dick Cheney” type of experience to show he is no light weight. Biden also has a great life story with working class background. All these came into play in his political calculation. If the rest of the world was at peace (i.e., Russia) and the economy was in worse shape he would have picked a governor.

McCain also made calculations. He calculated that the general public is dissatisfied with the current state of affairs and much of the current problems can be blamed on Bush and the previous congress…not that the current congress is seen as that great. He picked someone who can solidify him as an agent of change and political reformer in the mode of Teddy Roosevelt. She bring youth, energy (both personal and knowledge of the area), true reform credentials, evangelical (solidifies certain element of the party), experience in economy and she is a woman (she will not appeal to hard core D, but she does have appeal to independents). A

Both candidates took risk…Obama talks about change then selects a political insider with years of experience in Washington…McCain picking an unknown…but both made their choices based on calculations. Time will tell who made the best calculation.

Posted by: sltiowa | September 1, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I really enjoy the D walking around the experience issue. Whereas, Obama has 12 years experience in politics Palin only has 19 months experience in their definition of politics (I do like the rounding up for Obama…can we say sexism). I see that a State senator who works for a small constituency in his district is considered “real experience”, whereas, a mayor who has to be sure the town runs smoothly is considered nothing. When things don’t work Obama can blame someone else (i.e. “those R) or admit its “above my pay grade”; whereas, Palin has no one to blame since the buck stops with her in her position.

It amazing that Obama is seen post partisan yet he has not done anything to show he is post partisan while he has been elected in the Senate. However, we know he is going to be post partisan because he said he is (no proof no experience needed). Some how Obama who has never taken on his party is going to now reform Washington.

McCain can at least point to number of times he broke with his party especially on major party issue (Obama zero). McCain has worked to reform (though he has had his lapses as well…Keaton five come to mind) especially in the area of pork barrel spending. Of the tickets, McCain/Palin is the one ticket that has actually challenged their party. So who is better to lead and change DC?

Posted by: sltiowa | September 1, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Palin has been in elected office longer than Obama. Plus, she's nominated for VICE president. For all the worrying over her experience, what does it say about Obama, running at the top of the ticket, with less experience than her. Also, when did experience become so important to Obama supporters? I thought it was all about "judgment"

Posted by: R.S. | September 1, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama the empty suit can’t win this election. He's a disaster.

He should have taken advantage of the Clinton’s popularity and the love still felt for them throughout the world.

Obama never won the primary. Obama stole it from Hillary.The world watched the DNC hand the nomination to Obama by silencing voters.

Obama has destroyed the Democratic Party because of his own self centered narcissist personality.

The media can say what they want about Obama winning the primary but voters know the truth, especially Clinton supporters. Obama ignored voters. Florida and Michigan will never forget it.

Obama and Michelle were given a second chance to put Hillary on his ticket, but instead chose to hog the glory and embarrass the Democratic Party.

Obama could have won these women over.
Now McCain is winning the Hillary women with his VP pick.
Obama is risky, radical and not a great patriot.

Remember: Rezko, (the criminal), Reverend Wright (the anti Semitic racist) and William Ayers ( Obama’s coworker = domestic terrorist)

God is watching and the world is staring at our unfair voting process.

The Democratic Party is embarrassing.

Posted by: A Very Concerned American | September 1, 2008 5:17 AM | Report abuse

Russ wrote:

Only in Republican America would a black man with a law degree from Harvard, 12 years in politics, four years on the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee and manager of one of the most impressively flawless and forward thinking presidential campaigns ever not be ready for the presidency while a white female evangelical with 19 months in regional politics and a bachelors in journalism is considered "ready on day one".

So true.


Posted by: storeyy | September 1, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

This story cannot be compared to The Democratic Party's primaries and VP taping at all.

Barack went througb the tuffest primary since 911 of any candidate. Before 911 We used to question people that ran for office. If you were not questioned by the other party, you were questioned by the media and media leeks.

With exception from GOERGE W BUSHES provilaged run for the Presidentcy.

But in repsect to the McCain and the Republican Party 2008, McCain has hardly been asked anything about his past mistakes, or current mistakes. It seems like McCain gets a free pass.

WHY? Does he not have a not so distant past dealing with lobbyist, adultry, and billion dollar corperate banking scams.

Did't McCain get a free pass to the Billion dollar Banking scams?

Strange that the media and the Republican Party are only allowed to do stories and research on Democrats. When it comes to a republican and the White house, all there republican parties dirt is overlooked.

Forget the Republican Party Convention.
It was't going to amount to anything Americans need right now anyway. and there surely wan't going to be any news coming from it, positve or negative.

NO NEWS!

Posted by: VB | September 1, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

You missed this because it is an exceedingly stupid move, and you didn't factor sheer stupidity into your projections. No reason to feel bad about this one.

Posted by: Music Lover | September 1, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow,
Senator Obama's great political fortunes return as once again during this election his opponent turns out to be a nincompoop. Senator McCain shows his political prowess is equivalent to that of Allan Keys -remember him, the non-Illinois token minority freak show the Republican Party sent to prevent Obama’s election to the Senate. And now McCain picks a token female to woo disgruntled Clinton supporters, revealing just how stupid and superficial he and other Republicans think those supporters are -somewhere George Carlin is begging to be brought back to life to tell just a few more jokes. Yes, she’s been a governor and mayor of the least-populated state -smaller than most US cities- and a tiny town, -I think they now have a stoplight though -and she’s a moose hunter, a sports reporter and a beauty queen. A lifetime member of the NRA and chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission -Cheney approves. A BS in journalism-communication from Idaho -very prestigious; clearly no other education is required. Fully qualified, you betcha; to ruin Republican chances to keep the Presidency. She makes me yearn for Dan Quayle! Senator Joe Biden vs. Governor Sarah Palin, there’s a wartime VP debate for the century. President-Elect Obama might as well start selecting his Cabinet…Ding-dong, hello Mrs. Bush, I’m Michelle Obama, would you mind if I came in to measure the drapes, thanks.

Posted by: Meritocrat | August 31, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

McCainiacs- you get an "A" for blind optimism and an "F" for substance. You’ve been watching Hannity again, who is an idiot, and his audience has proven to be among TV's most ignorant. This woman - a governor of a state with a whopping 600K citizens that is floating on oil has - in her less than 2 years in office - had to deal with only one crisis...Firing an honest state employee who wouldn’t illegally fire a state trooper because he happened to be divorcing the Governors sister - now that’s great Republican experience - worthy of Monica Goodling - though at least she had a phony law degree! Do you really think McCain would have picked her if she was a man? All the Republican hypocrisy over affirmative action and McCain passes over many more imminently qualified men and women to pick a NRA-loving pro-life, nobody. That’s judgment we can trust (to ruin our country)!

McCainiacs- your knowledge of history - Zilch. Obama has equivalent experience to Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Harry S. Truman, Theodore Roosevelt, shall I continue? I guess this token, unqualified, unproven, uneducated, and affirmative-action-for-political-expediency McCain-pick does have Biden and Obama on one bit of experience; they’ve never won a swimsuit competition...

McCainiacs- Yes running a REAL state is a challenge, especially if you've done it at least two years (she hasn’t yet). Alaska has only 600K citizens, and that’s only during the summer. This right-wing-nut has neither the education nor the experience to be competitive for selection as a Whitehouse Intern, much less a senior and permanent member of the National Security Council. She’s a great lady, but barely qualified to be a 2nd Lieutenant in our military much less one heartbeat away from being Commander-In-Chief. You keep smiling and push this clown and his gimmick sidekick, I am going to do my upmost to make sure my children are protected by leadership that was picked democratically (IE Obama’s primary win) or by undeniable qualifications (IE Joe Biden’s preeminent national security resume). As for Mrs. “Mainstream,” I’ll pass, this isn’t a contest for “Ms Congeniality,” though she’s actually won that prestige, this is about the security of our nation during a time of WAR! Which would you pick to do your open-heart surgery, a well-educated doctor; or Mr. “most-like-me-an-you?” Duh.

McCainiacs- your posts are very Hannity, very Limbaugh…an EMPTY brain is easy to fill with crud, and the divide and conquer right wing media has filled yours well. Gore’s Lincoln to Obama comparison stands…without any substantive rebuttal from anyone…because it is valid…What makes Obama more qualified you ask? How about winning a democratic Primary (that means all the peoples’ votes counted, not the winner takes all rules of your weak party), over a talented, well-healed and connected Clinton, and earning about 10 million more votes than your feeble candidate…

Posted by: Meritocrat | August 31, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

The Palin pick may, indeed, help McCain in the election. On "Meet the Press" today Michael Murphy, McCain's 2000 campaign manager, said the pick had about a 30% change of working, provided nothing negative we do not now know about comes out about her. That seems to be a good assessment. There certainly is a chance she is a good political pick.

She and her "story" still have a lot to prove to me before I can believe that she should be entrusted to be a heartbeat way from the presidency. By the way, does ANYBODY believe that McCain would have picked her if she were a man? Does ANYBODY believe he would have picked her if he had had to pick before the Democratic candidate picked? Does ANYBODY believe he would have picked her if Hillary had been the Democratic candidate? Does ANYBODY believe he picked her because he believes she is ready (much, less, the one most ready) to move into the presidency? Does ANYBODY believe he picked her because of her savvy of national and international issues?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

If you saw the movie 'Patton',you will recall that the general called in a chaplain for a weather prayer to win the upcoming battle to insure winning the war.
The McCain camp should do the same thing as Gustav looms on the horizon.The prayer should read something like this:"God don't let the hurricane steal my thunder."
Brownie,you're doing a helluva job.

Posted by: Sir Realist | August 31, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse


If you actually believe that you want want to go here and make a little money.

http://www.intrade.com/
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I love it. A women has Obama beat on every selling point he gave for change. His people are now so desperate they attack her as a person along with her family. OBama's thugs are the reason he will lose and gain votes on this one...

Posted by: Armando | August 31, 2008 6:32 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I love it. A women has Obama beat on every selling point he gave for change. His people are now so desperate they attack her as a person along with her family. OBama's thugs are the reason he will lose and gain votes on this one...

Posted by: Armando | August 31, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

They are a;ready padding her resumé. She has no 80% approval rating. It was 60% and dropping. She claims to be against the "bridge to nowhere" but is on record trying to push it through as quickly as possible. There are even tapes of Stevens endorsing her.
Where do these people think they can just make things up and not get caught. Even her mother-in-law says she is not qualified and will not be voting for her. She likes Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: David | August 31, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"Former Democrat," what are you talking about???

By far the harshest criticism of Palin has come from those who know her best, leading Alaskan Republicans. The female State Senate leader, a Republican, has said Palin is thoroughly unaqualified to be veep because she is thoroughly unqualified to hold her present job of state governor.

When pressed to say something good about Palin, the Speaker of the Alaska House, a Republican, could only offer, paraphrasing, well Palin is of age and she's a citizen. Of age and a citizen! The entire political establishment of the U.S., not just Dems, has a problem with Palin.
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"After being chased out of the party by Obamacrats who had a problem with women, I am not very surprised to see the repeated "criticism" from Obama fans that the Republicans have gone with a "beauty contestant" "Barbie doll" etc. etc. She's a sitting Governor with more Executive experience than anyone else on either ticket.

The entire Democratic party has a problem with women, and they need to see their shrinks to work this out. Seriously, guys.

Posted by: Former Democrat | August 31, 2008 5:25 PM"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

It was getting late and Mccain said;

"Ah the heck with it, lets go with the cu*t"
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After being chased out of the party by Obamacrats who had a problem with women, I am not very surprised to see the repeated "criticism" from Obama fans that the Republicans have gone with a "beauty contestant" "Barbie doll" etc. etc. She's a sitting Governor with more Executive experience than anyone else on either ticket.

The entire Democratic party has a problem with women, and they need to see their shrinks to work this out. Seriously, guys.

Posted by: Former Democrat | August 31, 2008 5:25 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

After being chased out of the party by Obamacrats who had a problem with women, I am not very surprised to see the repeated "criticism" from Obama fans that the Republicans have gone with a "beauty contestant" "Barbie doll" etc. etc. She's a sitting Governor with more Executive experience than anyone else on either ticket.

The entire Democratic party has a problem with women, and they need to see their shrinks to work this out. Seriously, guys.

Posted by: Former Democrat | August 31, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Don't you get the sense that, notwithstanding the Washington Post's specious article to the contrary today, Palin was not properly vetted and this pick was not thought out?

Brooks and Schieffer on today's "Meet the Press" both felt Palin was an impulse buy by McCain. You get the feeling Palin may get dumped before or at the convention. Her choice is such an extreme insult to the American people, especially the women. It is simply not credible to suggest she could reasonably serve as commander in chief and, b/c of McCain's age and health, she would probably have to before his term ended. Really a shocking misjudgment.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Even McCain himself looks uneasy about his choice for vice-president. Look at his very curious behavior while he listened to his newly announced candidate give her first speech: http://tinyurl.com/5azsv2 . Whenever he wasn't applauding, he was continually tugging at or massaging his fingers, or holding his arms bent and fists clenched at his side, like he was waiting to punch someone. It's certainly not the bearing of a confident man.

Posted by: Donna H. | August 31, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"The idea of a woman with five children -- one of whom has special needs -- who also happened to be the governor of a state would be picked (or, more importantly, want to be picked) seemed far fetched."

You have a problem with women who have children, and especially children with disabilities? Who would vote for someone with a disabled child--is that what you said in this article?

Obama has children and no one is wondering who will take care of his children. Daddy will, the kids will help...Mom is there too. Michelle Obama is out there campaigning. Where are her kids? No matter who runs, the kids aren't abandoned on the street corner.

About the rumors about the daughter: What a horrible, vicious thing to do to a child. No decent person would ever spread those kinds of rumors.

Statistics show older Moms often have children with Downs.

And do you really think a governor could hide it? And today, with technology, pictures prove nothing. I could create a picture in photoshop that showed Bill Clinton nine months pregnant.

Posted by: Terrie Lynn Bittner | August 31, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

I'm also struck by the different ways VPs were picked by the party. The Dems leaked several names over the two weeks prior to their announcement and got lots of feedback from bloggers and rank and file Dems, in particular, with respect to Bayh. I don't know the same happened on the Republican side. It seemed like a very closed process with little public input.

Posted by: AGuy | August 31, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama believes the same thing. He has his own polling agency in Chicago and they feel they are actually way ahead. Most of the polls you see don't ask the right questions. They get caught up in odd ball questions and interesting trends they can feed to the media. These don't necessarily tell you how people will vote. For example you may see a poll that says 66% of the people polled feel Mccain would be better on foreign policy. Then you learn if you inquire further of those same people that maybe 88% of that 66% will be voting for Obama regardless. ( I made those numbers up for illustration of course.)
All that really matters is who are they going to vote for and Obama as well as Mccain are both pretty sure they know already. That is why Mccain did what he did. It is probably for nothing though, Obama is probably going to beat him bad, not a lot of doubt about that. Mccain has never trended towards the front ever. This will pretty much finish like a horse race. One trails the other all the way around the track and finish 1 and 2 no big mystery after the halfway mark. What is all of a sudden going to happen where Mccain is going surge ahead of Obama? Nothing. people will all be getting excited on both sides but it will pretty much finish the way it looks to those in the know.
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There is some reporting that the very reason MCain chose Palin was that his campaign did not believe the polls calling it close but believe Obama, despite the racial drag on his numbers, is significantly ahead.
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Obama should be way ahead, he is not because many don't "feel comfortable" with him." He is black and that's why he will lose - that's the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:13 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:56 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

With his first presidential decision, McCain proved that he would continue one of the most shameful legacies of Bush/Cheney: he clearly values ideology over competence. Over our history about 1/3 of Vice Presidents have become presidents during their terms. And McCain is clearly willing to roll the dice when it comes to our future -- prioritizing politics of the country. I used to believe that he was a patriot, but no longer...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The nicest thing for me about the Palin pick is that I don’t even have to think twice about her to know I oppose her- I simply am done supporting rightwing religious nutjobs...

So for me, at least, I don’t have to even bother with the issues of experience and her complete lack of knowledge regarding foreign affairs and well, hell, the fact she didn’t even know what the VP did a few weeks ago. I don’t have to think about any of that, as her extreme Bush religious views already disqualify her in my eyes. No more nutjob social conservatives. Ever.

Posted by: Robin Keast | August 31, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Picking Sarah Palin was clearly a Hail Mary pass. But the McCain campaign is tapping into an archetype that resonates deep in the human psyche. That of the unknown innocent plucked from obscurity and magnificently rising to the challenge. Hollywood has long recognized the appeal of this fantasy. Think Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, A Face in the Crowd, Dave, Mr. Deeds Goes to Town. So in questioning Palin, it's not enough for Democrats to mock the smallness of Wasilla, Alaska or shout, "it's insulting," "it's ridiculous," "it's pathetic." They must make the case that given the gulf between the crises we face and her capacity to handle them, this is a truly dangerous choice. Forget Dan Quayle. Palin is more Harriet Miers -- chosen for all the wrong reasons, and glaringly not up to the task. Maybe an anxious nation can offer John McCain a do-over.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

There is some reporting that the very reason MCain chose Palin was that his campaign did not believe the polls calling it close but believe Obama, despite the racial drag on his numbers, is significantly ahead.
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Obama should be way ahead, he is not because many don't "feel comfortable" with him." He is black and that's why he will lose - that's the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:13 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

You know what, Chris C?

I got the feeling as I read the first 5 paragraphs (or so) of you column, that you were trying to explain or excuse your miss to your boss.
And finally, you came clean and actually wrote, "And, in our defense..."

Stop. Just stop. Please.

This is a bit of advice, not just from me but from Frank Rich and many readers' collective comments across the web: STFU. Yes, shut up.
Go on vacation. Leave the country alone -- at least until the election. Let people make up their own minds. Let us think. We don't need you, though you may need your "job."

Seriously, you'll be doing US a great favor. You and the rest of the 24/7 analysis crowd are not really helping things, though you may think you are. You're not.
But you know what else? In your defense, what people in your position are trying to do is something akin to the job of Sisyphus. It is impossible. So please stop.

Posted by: Chris Hill | August 31, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

So, if McCain retires in 4 and Palin continues the McPalin Adminstration for 4 or 8 more years, will that make Trig the first retarded kid to live in the White House?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gallup,Zogby,Rasmussen,Quinnpiac,et al:
Poll me.

Posted by: No Polls Barred | August 31, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Why no coverage of this in the mainstream media? Have they given up on actually reporting the news? Increasingly we are relying on the blogs and the National Enquirer for actual information. BroderWorld just seems to bloviate.
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Hold on to your hats folks, the manure is about to hit the tabloid fan: The lastest Palin baby, the unfortunate Trig with down's syndrome, is NOT her baby...it is Her 16 year old daughter's and there are photos on the web that basically prove it. The circumstantial evidence is pretty heavy-duty too.

Mrs Palin not only isn't qualified in any way to be "one heartbeat" away from the President, but she is a liar. So Conservatives, put that in your peace pipe and smoke it, and to think that you were so gleeful over John Edwards, Hahaha
Your Evangelical Miss Wasilia's daughter is a fornicator, and the Palin's are so ashamed, they pretend that their GRANDchild is their son...after an elaborate ruse...11 hours on a plane AFTER her water broke? The daughter spent 7 months away from school because of Mono? The upside is that Palin uses that poor kid as a prop at every opportunity. Yeah she is a great pick.

Posted by: GObama | August 30, 2008 11:34 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

So is that how you feel? Not comfortable because he's black?

Posted by: MNobserver | August 31, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama should be way ahead, he is not because many don't "feel comfortable" with him." He is black and that's why he will lose - that's the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, a few perhaps:
Martina Navratilova
Mrs. Billie Jean King
Nancy Lieberman
Ellen DeGeneris
Portia DeRossi
Jodie Foster
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WILL HILLARIANS NUZZLE UP
TO McCAINS'S HOT MAMMA VP?
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/palin-vp-shocker-will-scorned-hillarians-turn-hot-gop-mamma-get-political-w-vic-livingston

Posted by: scrivener | August 31, 2008 12:27 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

When the circus comes to town,meaning Minneapolis,all that you will see is a new set of clowns.Barnum and Bailey would be proud.

Posted by: Sir Realist | August 31, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

My governor Tim Pawlenty (I didn't vote for him) was on the run this morning on Meet the Press. Tom Brokaw was rightly pointed in his questions about Palin's preparedness to be president.

Pawlenty dishonestly ripped Obama's experience by suggesting he went from working as a community organizer to the US Senate with nothing in between. Pawlenty skipped his 11 years serving in the Illinois State Senate altogether--pretending as if it didn't exist.

In case it matters, Obama's senate district has the same population as Alaska! He served it for 11 years, not 20 months, like Palin has served Alaska.

Pawlenty went on to whine about the fact that "you never hear Barack Obama getting asked whether he would pick a pro-life candidate for his ticket or whether it was important to have a pro-life ticket on the Democratic side. You'll notice that never gets asked!"

Right. Because Republicans are increasingly ideologues and Democrats are moving to the center instead of to the far right like the Republicans. Democrats can live with people they don't entirely agree with and accept them as fellow human beings.

For Republicans, if you're even partially pro-choice or open to a civil conversation on the issue, you deserve to be flogged, misrepresented and lied about.

Why is Pawlenty effectively whining about his own party on national TV?

Posted by: MNobserver | August 31, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The Palin pick may cost Mac Florida.

Huffington Post and other media are reporting Palin was a major backer of Pat Buchanan during his presidential run. She buys into his whole "conservative" (code word) agenda.

The mainstream networks Buchanan appears on rarely, if ever, discuss just what his "conservative views" are (and he usually does not share them over the air, but only in print or before select audiences). But the highly respected Anti-Defamation League apparently has a whole page devoted to Buchanan's (and apparently Palin's) views of human beings from different backgrounds. No fan of "multiculturalism," she. Florida--gone, perhaps.

Signed

Proud mud person

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

NEW YORK The first national polls on John McCain's pick of Sarah Palin yesterday came out today from Rasmussen and Gallup -- and contrary to what the GOP probably hoped, she scored less well with women than men.

Here's a finding from Gallup: Among Democratic women -- including those who may be disappointed that Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic nomination -- 9% say Palin makes them more likely to support McCain, 15% less likely.

From Rasmussen: Some 38% of men said they were more likely to vote for McCain now, but only 32% of women. By a narrow 41% to 35% margin, men said she was not ready to be president -- but women soundly rejected her, 48% to 25%.

Overall, voters expressed a favorable impression of her by a 53/26 margin, but there was a severe gender gap on this: Men embraced her at 58% to 23%, while for women it was 48/30.

And by a 29/44 margin, men and women together, they do not believe that she is ready to be President.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse


NEW YORK What to do when you are mistakenly sent a highly provocative, even distasteful, email from a political party staffer and are then asked not to publish its contents? The issue came up again today when the Chicago Tribune received an email from a GOP staffer regarding a suggestion that the party post something on YouTube regarding a radio comment by Rush Limbaugh related to Sarah Palin's new baby and Barack Obama's view of abortion.

Here is an excerpt from a posting today on the Tribune's popular blog, The Swamp, by Andrew Zajac.
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Conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh boosted Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's pro-life position and mocked Barack Obama on his radio show yesterday with a make-believe riff in which Obama asked Palin "When you found out your baby would be born with Down syndrome, did you consider killing it before or after the due date?"

Limbaugh's "humor" caught the fancy of the Republican National Committee, which, in an internal e-mail, proposed using the bit in a YouTube clip.

The e-mail, which was sent to RNC Communications Director Danny Diaz, and mistakenly to a Tribune reporter, was titled "wow...good YouTube potential..."

In a statement, an RNC spokesman said, "A staffer with separate responsibilities made a poor recommendation that was not heeded. The individual has been spoken to and this will not occur again."

The staffer who wrote the message said the obvious -- that it was sent to the wrong person -- but otherwise declined to discuss it.

Diaz asked The Swamp not to post the message and said the RNC had not and would not act on the suggestion, but otherwise declined to talk about it on the record.

There's a time to honor requests to disregard misdirected email, but this isn't one of them.

The note is a good illustration of how campaigns really work and helps to explain why many people think the national political discourse is noxious.

Posted by: limbaugh IS the RNC | August 31, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

She was picked to galvanize a voting base that was already galvanized. How crazy is that. Do they actually think independent voters are going to vote for this ticket? They are all anyone is going after, no one else. They will decide the election. You would have to be mentally ill to listen to Mccain when he says she he looked at everyone and she was the best. Really, thats what he" REALLY" thinks? So much for his judgment.

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Sarah Palin believes the earth was created 6000 years ago and that Adam and Eve rode on Brontosaurus.

Yabba Dabba Do!

The real lack of experience of Sarah Palin is that she lacks experience with diversity, science and the complexities of a modern world.

Posted by: Newport Beach Ca | August 31, 2008 1:07 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin believes the earth was created 6000 years ago and that Adam and Eve rode on Brontosaurus.

Yabba Dabba Do!

The real lack of experience of Sarah Palin is that she lacks experience with diversity, science and the complexities of a modern world.

Posted by: Newport Beach Ca | August 31, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Behind the scenes republicans are saying it is over. They had finally pulled even and maybe ahead in the polls and didn't need a gimmick. Just run a really hard nosed smart race to the end of what was going to be a hard fought close election. As it stands now, if polls come out and some are already out saying 67% think her pick was bad. If polls come out and Mccain drops as a result, there is nowhere to go for them. The die will have been cast. No end game to even play, it will be over.

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I was actually with a moderate republican when Palin was picked. Within seconds he was getting email after email from other shocked moderate/independent republican men indicating that they would never vote for a 72 year old guy who had a running mate as inexperienced and obviously unqualified as Palin (hint: the mayor of Forth Worth, Texas governs more people). I think the hidden story here is that Palin will completely turn off moderate republican and republican leaning independent male voters. Will she also be a disaster among moderate republican and republican leaning women voters? That remains to be seen. McCain clearly thinks not but to the extent national security is the top issue for these voters voting for McCain is a huge gamble. He is 72 years old. Average life expectancy for a man is 75 and he's had bouts of very serious cancer. The possibility of a President Palin if McCain is elected is EXTREMELY high.

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

You in Camp Obama are right- your candidate and almost candidate have more prestigious alma maters- we'll just take the Wal Mart shoppers...62% McCain-24% Obama-please see below....hey, Where did Adlai Stevenson attend college?????
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zogby.com
8/30/2008

Zogby Poll: Equilibrium in the POTUS Race!
Brash McCain pick of AK Gov. Palin neutralizes historic Obama speech, stunts the Dems' convention bounce


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UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain's surprise announcement Friday of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate - some 16 hours after Democrat Barack Obama's historic speech accepting his party’s presidential nomination - has possibly stunted any Obama convention bump, the latest Zogby Interactive flash poll of the race shows.

Data from this poll is available here

The latest nationwide survey, begun Friday afternoon after the McCain announcement of Palin as running mate and completed mid-afternoon today, shows McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden.

In other words, the race is a dead heat.

The interactive online Zogby survey shows that both Obama and McCain have solidified the support among their own parties - Obama won 86% support of Democrats and McCain 89% of Republicans in a two-way head-to-head poll question not including the running mates. When Biden and Palin are added to the mix, Obama's Democratic support remains at 86%, while McCain's increases to 92%.

After the McCain "Veep" announcement on Friday, Palin was almost immediately hailed as a strong conservative, and those voters have rallied to the GOP ticket, the survey shows. Republicans gather in St. Paul, Minnesota this week to officially nominate McCain and Palin as their presidential ticket.

Does the selection of Sarah Palin help or hurt John McCain's chances of winning the presidential election in November?
8/29-30
Zogby Poll One Week Ago: Does Biden Help or Hurt Obama?

Will help him
52%
43%

Will hurt him
29%
22%

Will make no difference
10%
26%

Not sure
10%
9%


Overall, 52% said the selection of Palin as the GOP vice presidential nominee helps the Republican ticket, compared to 29% who said it hurt. Another 10% said it made no difference, while 10% were unsure. Among independent voters, 52% said it helps, while 26% said it would hurt. Among women, 48% said it would help, while 29% said it would hurt the GOP ticket. Among Republicans, the choice was a big hit - as 87% said it would help, and just 3% said it would hurt.

Pollster John Zogby: "Palin is not to be underestimated. Her real strength is that she is authentic, a real mom, an outdoors person, a small town mayor (hey, she has dealt with a small town city council - that alone could be preparation for staring down Vladimir Putin, right?). She is also a reformer."

"A very important demographic in this election is going to be the politically independent woman, 15% of whom in our latest survey are undecided."

"In the final analysis, this election will be about Obama vs. McCain. Obama has staked out ground as the new JFK - a new generation, literally and figuratively, a new face of America to the world, a man who can cross lines and work with both sides. But McCain is the modern day Harry Truman - with lots of DC experience, he knows what is wrong and dysfunctional with Washington and how to fix it, and he has chosen a running mate who is about as far away from Washington as he could find.

"This contest is likely to be very close until the weekend before the election - then the dam may break and support may flood one way or the other."

The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain.

Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters.

Other demographic details are fairly predictable, showing that the McCain/Palin ticket heads into its convention on Monday with numbers that may fuel an optimism they may not have expected, and that many would not have predicted, especially after Obama's speech Thursday night.

Posted by: Scott | August 31, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Palin will implode so fast then any politician on the american stage in history. I predict she will either step down with some excuse or just be replaced.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Michelle- What do Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid do?
Look forward to hearing from you-

Posted by: Scott | August 31, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I was actually with a moderate republican when Palin was picked. Within seconds he was getting email after email from other shocked moderate/independent republican men indicating that they would never vote for a 72 year old guy who had a running mate as inexperienced and obviously unqualified as Palin (hint: the mayor of Forth Worth, Texas governs more people). I think the hidden story here is that Palin will completely turn off moderate republican and republican leaning independent male voters. Will she also be a disaster among moderate republican and republican leaning women voters? That remains to be seen. McCain clearly thinks not but to the extent national security is the top issue for these voters voting for McCain is a huge gamble. He is 72 years old. Average life expectancy for a man is 75 and he's had bouts of very serious cancer. The possibility of a President Palin if McCain is elected is EXTREMELY high.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Palin what a joke..

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Early this year, an op-ed in the Anchorage Daily News ripped into Gov. Sarah Palin's appearance on a morning "shock jock" radio show as "plain and simple one of the most unprofessional, childish and inexcusable performances I've ever seen from a politician."

So what happened? Palin has repeatedly feuded with the state's Senate president, Lyda Green, over a wide range of legislation. Last January, Palin appeared on "The Bob and Mark Show," whose host Bob Lester despises Green. That's when the trouble started:

Early on in the conversation before Palin started to crack up, Lester referred to Sen. Green as a jealous woman and a cancer. Palin, who knows full well Lyda Green is a cancer survivor, didn't do what any decent person would do, say, "Bob, that's going too far."
But as the conversation moved on, Lester intensified his attack on Green.

Lester questioned Green's motherhood, asking Palin if the senator cares about her own kids. Palin laughs.

Then Lester clearly sets the stage for what he is about to say by warning his large audience and Palin. He says, "Governor you can't say this but I will, Lyda Green is a cancer and a b----." Palin laughs for the second time.

What were teenage boys thinking when they heard the governor laugh at someone being called a b----? How about the teenage girls who look up to Palin. What did they think when they heard her laugh?

But there is more. Lester then describes Green's chair as big and cushy. A clear reference to the senator's weight. Palin laughs a third time. She's just having a grand old time.

Palin was clearly enjoying every second of Lester's vicious attack on her political rival.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Rosemary - do you know whaat a good education really is? Hillary (who I dont particularly care for) went to Wellesley and then to Yale Law School, Ms. Palin has a degree in journalism from U Idaho and aspired to the a sportscaster. Just listen to each of them speak and you can tell the great difference in their education and experience.

John McCain picked a women out of shallow opportunism, but he could have picked one with more competetance. John McCain picked a women who is the poster child for the Republican platform, earth mother, pro lifer, NRA supporter, agressive supporter of explotation of oil and natural resources, never met a oil cos she didnt like and probably never saw some piece of pork that she didnt want to get her hands on.

The presidential campaign will be determined by the head of the ticket, not the number two's. But McCain now has raised questions about his own health and longetivity and destroyed his criticism of Obama as being unexperienced.

McCain has campaigned primarily on Obama's celebrity and on drilling. He has no new solutions or ideas of his own. If people vote for him they are cutting thier own throats because as the Obama campaign reminds us McCain doesnt get it all when it comes to the concerns of the American People.

Pailin - BIG HAIR NO CATTLE

Posted by: nclwtk | August 31, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden and the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System (what's experience if your WRONG)
http://tncwatch.com ^ | 8/30/08 | Tennessee Conservative Watch

Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:31:06 PM by personalaccts

Saturday, August 30, 2008 Joe Biden and the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System

Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's choice for vice president, has been a senator since 1972.

He is one of only five senators who were present in 1973 when Congress passed legislation authorizing construction of the trans-Alaska pipeline system (TAPS).

Biden, then 30, was the youngest member of the Senate and not a leader in the lengthy debate over the pipeline. But his voting record is striking - at least to an Alaskan interested in history.

Biden was a reliable "no" on TAPS. In July, when the Senate passed the Gravel-Stevens amendment allowing immediate construction of the line and precluding further judicial review, Biden voted no. The amendment passed after Vice President Spiro Agnew broke a 49-49 tie.

In November, Biden voted against final passage of the bill. The vote was 80-5, Biden one of the five.

SINCE BIDEN'S NO VOTE, THAT PIPELINE HAS SUPPLIED 15 BILLION BARRELS OF OIL INTO OUR DOMESTIC SUPPLIES HERE IN AMERICA.

Posted by: Scott | August 31, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

' Obama/Biden is just a promise to sell out to lobbyist and to continue taking this country in the wrong direction. '

You republiccan folks are seriously deluded. McCain is the one with literally 150 lobbyists on his staff. He's business as usual in Washington. If he really wanted to change something, I'd think if was effective at all, he could have done so in the 25 years he's been there.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

'Ms. Clinton has to be cheering privately at this choice"

You must be joking. This woman is against everything Hillary Clinton has fought for all her life. She is anti-choice, she is anti-birth control, she is a big cheerleader for oil companies and drilling wildlife preserves, she sued the federal gov't when they declared, rightly, that polar bears were an endangered species. She knows nothing about the Iraq war except seems to beleive that the Iraqis caused 9/11... she belongs to a deeply fundamentalist church that doesn't believe in the Constitution. she's really a whole lot like George W, Bush--identical to all extents and purposes.

In fact, she was chosen by Karl Rove, because McCain really wanted Lieberman.

Posted by: drindl | August 31, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

From Rosemary
For those who are republican but are voting outside their party because of this choice.. why are you going to walk away from your values and put your vote into a party that is going to destroy this country further? Do you really think Obama and Biden will bring about the change you are looking for?
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Hi Rosemary,

Please help me out here, for the past 8 years, it has been the Republicans who have been in power at one point controlling all branches of government. So help me understand how it is that Democrats are "destroying this country?" By losing every election? Looking forward to hearing from you.

Posted by: Michelle not in Nevada | August 31, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Chris if you read this message please put out on TV that this is not an election regarding Pal-who? experince to Obama...Make sue they compare her to Biden.....You bloggers are doing just what the McStupid campaign desires.....divide and conquer....

IT IS NOT ABOUT PAL-INEXPERINCED AND OBAMA....HE IS ON THE TOP SHE IS ON THE BOTTOM.....

IT IS ABOUT BIDEN AND PAL-DONT HAVE A CLUE!!

TOP OF THE TICKET STILL REMAINS THE SAME.....OBAMA/MCSTUPID.....HE CANNOT SEPERRATE HIMSELF FROM BUSH, EVEN IF HE WENT TO THE MOON AND BROUGHT BACK JESUS CHRIST......DOES NOT MATTER!!
90%-BUSH....10%-CHANGE.......

NOT ME....OBAMA/BIDEN 08/12
SOUND JUDGEMENT!!

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CHRIS GET THIS OUT THERE TO MAINSTREAM MEDIA...CNN/FOX ARRE PUSHING HER...IS THE MEDIA THAT IN THE TANK THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR SAFETY??

Posted by: BUZZARD'S KORNER | August 31, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

To: "Rosemary" at 12:18 p.m.:

Your post conveys all the authenticity of a $3 bill. "Demopublican"? This is not statecraft.

You are hereby relieved of your duty.

Posted by: Eyes2disinfo | August 31, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

To Marie Stewart:

I am with you, but do you have to be so long. this is America, our attention span is very short.

Posted by: Michelle not in Nevada | August 31, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

RGN, you are right Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton because she has a fresh view on change and reform. She's also well educated and spoken like Ms. Clinton. Ms. Clinton has to be cheering privately at this choice because lets face it, she still wants to be President of our country and she's not on that ticket. She's cheering for the women in this country who have a larger voice in this fight, thanks to the maverick choice of Sen. John McCain. I like Hillary Clinton and might have been persuaded to vote for the Obama/Clinton ticket but we're looking for change in this country. Obama/Biden is just a promise to sell out to lobbyist and to continue taking this country in the wrong direction.
McCain/Palin will take this country in a new direction, a fresh perspective on where America is going. As a mother I'm ready for this change.

Posted by: Rosemary | August 31, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener | August 31, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

transAlaskan pipeline, that is....

Posted by: Scott | August 31, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

His pick was monumental. As a Democrat I am voting Republican for the second time only in my 24 years of voting. I believe Obama would have cinched the presidency if he'd chosen Hillary but he neglected to consider a large base of moderate/conservative Democrats. I often refer to myself as a demopublican because I'm often torn between two parties. Sarah Palin was the smartest choice he could have made. The only other choice that would make sense would have been someone like Colin Powell who reaches out to all not just a particular base of voters. Sarah Palin will unify the voters and pull in independants who aren't sure which way to go.

For those who are republican but are voting outside their party because of this choice.. why are you going to walk away from your values and put your vote into a party that is going to destroy this country further? Do you really think Obama and Biden will bring about the change you are looking for?

Posted by: Rosemary | August 31, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey rgn, according to Gov. Palin in her interview with Maria Barteromo shown on Meet the Press today, Joe Biden voted against the first transatlantic pipeline 20 years ago....wow, if he had his way, our dependency on foreign oil would be much greater than it is today....well, maybe Joe wasn't mistaken, maybe he sold his vote like the NY Times showed he did more recently on the Bankruptsy Reform Act- he sold it for a $500,000 contract for his lobbyist son. "That's not the kind of change America deserves."

Posted by: Scott | August 31, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

As a Republican voter in every presidential election since 1964, a 21 year USMC veteran with combat tours in Vietnam, and an alumni of the same college as John McCain, I intend to vote as a Democrat this year because of Senator's McCain's selfish and careless choice of VP. He has proven his characterization by the media and others as a "loose cannon". He has carelessly selected a totally inexperienced woman for the ticket on the basis of what's best politically for the ticket rather than what's best for the nation. His decision reflects a careless disregard for the seriousness of the executive branch and a catering to the neo-conservatives and moral right of the party. Senator McCain has forgoten that the VP is only a heartbeat from the presidency and Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton. Ms. Clinton has a formidable resume in the Senate and as a lawyer as opposed to Gov. Palin's as a varsity basketball player and beauty queen. Her acceptance speech reminded me of a high school cheerleader's pep talk before a football game. I may not agree with Senator Obama but at least I know he is of sound judgment, keen intellect and takes the position of president seriously. Additionally, he has an equally sound VP in Joe Biden who moves easily among other heads of state. Senator McCain, what ever happended to the maverick that we could always count on to what's best for the American people?

Posted by: rgn1 | August 31, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Please, the odds of the "Palin's Daughter Conspiracy" being true are so vanishingly small that the story can be safely disregarded. Please don't be so gullible as to swallow such an incredible fantasy just because you so badly want to believe.

So let's get back on topic...several salient points do deserve consideration.

First, both nominees did the same thing with their VP selections—they addressed a significant ‘perception’ problem and shored up support with a needed constituency. Obama brought in significant foreign affairs expertise and addressed the “ordinary Joe” (working-class white) problem. McCain pleased the evangelical far right (a huge problem for him), added ‘youth,’ and can pursue the 'disaffected women' vote (while also tamping down a burgeoning “Elitism” problem which Romney would only have exacerbated). In both cases, they addressed a political problem with a political solution.

Second, and perhaps more revealing, all Presidents (and Presidential candidates) say the top question around any discussion of VP selection can only be “Are you ready to step into the Presidency?” This is a “necessary but not sufficient” issue…answering “No” is a disqualifier. There no dispute Sarah Palin is, by far, the least qualified—for President—VP selection in memory (who was less qualified? Not Quayle…Spiro Agnew?).

Obama passed this test by selecting Biden. As to McCain, well, let’s use the words of a well-known Republican Brain, Karl Rove, talking about a Presidential candidate selecting an inexperienced VP: “…it would be an intensely political choice where he said, ‘You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?’” (Rove was referring to Obama’s consideration of Tim Kaine—three-year governor of Virginia and before that, Mayor of Richmond VA—as VP).

Third point. This selection does show the McCain campaign had concluded they were going to lose with their existing strategy, and had to make an attention-getting and hopefully game-changing selection, despite the high risk. They decided to give up on the “Experience” argument and instead, challenge Obama with a “Change” campaign. Very high risk I think…but their view, and I agree, is “high risk” is better than “no chance.”

Posted by: purplemartin | August 31, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Food for thought: I question the intellectual ability of any woman who, when she finds out she is carrying a baby with Down's syndrome when she chooses to get pregnant at 44 years old, says, and I quote from the Alaska daily article, "When we first heard, it was kind of confusing." I know people who are so out of touch, and so low wattage intellectually, that they don't have in their heads the most basis information about LIFE. I am thrilled she had the baby - she well SHOULD have had it, why would she abort? This is a risk when women get pregnant at that age! Who over 20 doesn't know this? Who with 4 children already doesn't know this? Now, her child is 4 months old - do we think Palin will be "confused" about how much extra work might be involved with parenting this child? Has she researched it - is that what she did during her 3-day long maternity leave? Finally, why can she rely on Todd to care for her children when apparently it is not OK for Wooten, her brother-in-law, to have custody and care of his children? These people are bizarre, and I do not find this accords with what I thought constituted conservative family values. That, coupled with the Carol McCain situation - waiting for McCain's return from Vietnam only to be cheated on, paid off, and dumped for the blonde heiress, saddens me. McCain is also reported to be hot-tempered - totally understandable, given what he has gone through and the choices he has made - and probably in need of some serious couch time; Palin, based on the Charlie Rose clip and the quote above, might be a lovely person of high integrity, but seems not to be the sharpest knife in the drawer. Come on, people! Give us integrity and brilliance - please! They aren't that rare in our country, and they should be minimum requirements for this job on both sides of the ticket, for all of our safety and security!

Posted by: CNS | August 31, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous and Becca, you two need to get a grip on reality. Obama didn't pick Hillary for his running mate because she acted crazier than all get-out during the primary season. She certainly didn't do anything for the misconception that women can't control their emotions, I'm sorry to say. She ran the nastiest campaign of the year, bar none - and that includes Mitt Romney's antics. And she was a sore loser. I'm kind of glad we learned all this about her before putting her in the oval office. Can you imagine if she started acting like this as the president? It would be a disaster.

I sometimes wonder whether Obama would have picked her if she hadn't acted so crazy and out of control of her emotions over the past year. You may disagree but I suspect he would have.

Posted by: mahmud010 | August 31, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

VShawnT-
Well said... a hail mary pass...according to Zogby 8/30, the corner back has stumbled in surprise, the spiral on the ball is tight and the receiver is in the clear....let's hope she doesn't drop the ball...seems she has a pretty impressive record of catching them before.

Posted by: Scott | August 31, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

This woman is a joke and will no doubt extremely scandal prone over the next 2 months. Just check out these pics dug up by someone from Sarah Palin in the 90's and 80's.
http://hottiesinthenews.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-hot-pics-you-cant-afford-to.html
Unbelievable!

Posted by: ryanorulz | August 31, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Palin was both a good strategic pick, and a desperate move. She's a huge gamble, but at this point, McCain needs a game changer, and thus, had to throw the proverbial Hail Mary pass.
But, as titillating as the Palin pick is, it says some pretty disturbing things about the state of McCain's campaign:
1. He's in a desperate spot, and he knows it.
2. He's still working to solidify his base - potentially one of the few things McCain knew Palin would do for him. With only 2 months left, it's sad that McCain is still catering to his base.
3. He's given up entirely on his principled maverick image by sacrificing his VP pick on a political gimmick that has nothing to do with governing and everything to do with a desperate need to win.
Palin could be the game changer that he hopes she'll be, and if he wins, many will try to rewrite history and suggest that her selection was political brilliance. But, make no mistake, whether McCain wins or not, Palin will never be anything more than a desperate pick.

Posted by: VshawnT | August 31, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Becca I think that is the definition of sex discrimination also. Biden was not the best choice compared to Hillary and us women Know it. So what was it that got him the VP slot. The way he could write his name in the snow? Hillary could run circles around OBama and Biden combined. So can Sarah Palin despite what men think.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

One thing is clear by the type of attacks this woman is getting. Obama and his people are affraid very Afraid. Instead his ad congratulating he ignores the historic nature of her, She is the real deal and more experienced than Obama. But it seems her only flaws are that she is not Black and a man. If Obama did not snub Hillary who was a better choice than Biden. He could argue MCcain picked a woman out of desperation but the truth is Obama did not pick a woman at all even though she was more qualified then Biden. At least MCcain does not discriminate against women!

Posted by: Becca | August 31, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Oh okay Silly Wimpy Chrissie,here is exactly who Gov Sarah Plain is,and in the
most simple terms I can try to explain it,
for you and your Obama Shill braindead
kool aid overdosed few remaining brain cells, Sarah Palin is the Next Vice President of the United States Of America
and the President of the USA is John McCain
so there was that too hard for you Gurly Boy Chrissie now? NOBAMA!

Posted by: Sandy 5274 | August 31, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Marie Stewart-
Did you read the NEW YORK TIMES ( a somewhat to the left of center newspaper that has been criticized by own Public Editor of being unfair to McCain in its reporting)-on p A13 0f its 8/25 edition was a lengthy article on how Joe Biden sold out to MBNA and the credit card indusrty on the bankruptsy reform bill- basically making it harder for Americans to seek shelter from foreclosure- IN EXCHANGE for a $500,OOO consulting contract for his lobbyist son!
That hurts Americans in the one area most important to Obama- the Economy...
now, what were YOU saying again about a he said she said custody dispute and since it won't be settled until after the election, why should I care?
Biden is a proven plagairist who withdrew from the 88 campaign and was nearly thrown out of lawshool because of his dishonesty...no wonder he puts his family before his country's economic interests!

Posted by: Scott | August 31, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

HOORAY!-
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zogby.com
8/30/2008

Zogby Poll: Equilibrium in the POTUS Race!
Brash McCain pick of AK Gov. Palin neutralizes historic Obama speech, stunts the Dems' convention bounce


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UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain's surprise announcement Friday of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate - some 16 hours after Democrat Barack Obama's historic speech accepting his party’s presidential nomination - has possibly stunted any Obama convention bump, the latest Zogby Interactive flash poll of the race shows.

Data from this poll is available here

The latest nationwide survey, begun Friday afternoon after the McCain announcement of Palin as running mate and completed mid-afternoon today, shows McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden.

In other words, the race is a dead heat.

The interactive online Zogby survey shows that both Obama and McCain have solidified the support among their own parties - Obama won 86% support of Democrats and McCain 89% of Republicans in a two-way head-to-head poll question not including the running mates. When Biden and Palin are added to the mix, Obama's Democratic support remains at 86%, while McCain's increases to 92%.

After the McCain "Veep" announcement on Friday, Palin was almost immediately hailed as a strong conservative, and those voters have rallied to the GOP ticket, the survey shows. Republicans gather in St. Paul, Minnesota this week to officially nominate McCain and Palin as their presidential ticket.

Does the selection of Sarah Palin help or hurt John McCain's chances of winning the presidential election in November?
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Zogby Poll One Week Ago: Does Biden Help or Hurt Obama?

Will help him
52%
43%

Will hurt him
29%
22%

Will make no difference
10%
26%

Not sure
10%
9%


Overall, 52% said the selection of Palin as the GOP vice presidential nominee helps the Republican ticket, compared to 29% who said it hurt. Another 10% said it made no difference, while 10% were unsure. Among independent voters, 52% said it helps, while 26% said it would hurt. Among women, 48% said it would help, while 29% said it would hurt the GOP ticket. Among Republicans, the choice was a big hit - as 87% said it would help, and just 3% said it would hurt.

Pollster John Zogby: "Palin is not to be underestimated. Her real strength is that she is authentic, a real mom, an outdoors person, a small town mayor (hey, she has dealt with a small town city council - that alone could be preparation for staring down Vladimir Putin, right?). She is also a reformer."

"A very important demographic in this election is going to be the politically independent woman, 15% of whom in our latest survey are undecided."

"In the final analysis, this election will be about Obama vs. McCain. Obama has staked out ground as the new JFK - a new generation, literally and figuratively, a new face of America to the world, a man who can cross lines and work with both sides. But McCain is the modern day Harry Truman - with lots of DC experience, he knows what is wrong and dysfunctional with Washington and how to fix it, and he has chosen a running mate who is about as far away from Washington as he could find.

"This contest is likely to be very close until the weekend before the election - then the dam may break and support may flood one way or the other."

The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain.

Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters.

Other demographic details are fairly predictable, showing that the McCain/Palin ticket heads into its convention on Monday with numbers that may fuel an optimism they may not have expected, and that many would not have predicted, especially after Obama's speech Thursday night.

Posted by: Scott | August 31, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin’s sister Molly married a guy named Mike Wooten who is an Alaska State Trooper. Mike and Molly had a rocky marriage. When the marriage broke up, there was a bitter custody fight that is still ongoing. During the custody investigation, all sorts of things were brought up about Wooten including the fact that he had illegally shot a moose (yes folks this is Alaska), driven drunk, and used a taser (on the test setting, he reminds us) on his 11-year old stepson, who supposedly had asked to see what it felt like. While Wooten has turned out to be a less than stellar figure, the fact that Palin’s father accompanied him on the infamous moose hunt, and that many of the dozens of charges brought up by the Palin family happened long before they were ever reported smacked of desperate custody fight. Wooten’s story is that he was basically stalked by the family.

After all this, Wooten was investigated and disciplined on two counts and allowed to kept his position with the troopers. Enter Walt Monegan, Palin’s appointed new chief of the Department of Public Safety and head of the troopers. Monegan was beloved by the troopers, did a bang-up job with minimal funding and suddenly got axed. Palin was out of town and Monegan got “offered another job” (aka fired) with no explanation to Alaskans. Pressure was put on the governor to give details, because rumors started to swirl around the fact that the highly respected Monegan was fired because he refused to fire the aforementioned Mike Wooten. Palin vehemently denied ever talking to Monegan or pressuring Monegan in any way to fire Wooten, or that anyone on her staff did. Over the weeks it has come out that not only was pressure applied, there were literally dozens of conversations in which pressure was applied to fire him. Monegan has testified to this fact, spurring an ongoing investigation by the Alaska state legislature. But, before this investigation got underway, Palin sent the Alaska State Attorney General out to do some investigative work of his own so she could find out in advance what the real investigation was going to find. (No, I’m not making this up). The AG interviewed several people, unbeknownst to the actual appointed investigator or the Legislature! Palin’s investigation of herself uncovered a recorded phone call retained by the Alaska State Troopers from Frank Bailey, a Palin underling, putting pressure on a trooper about the Wooten non-firing. Todd Palin (governor’s husband) even talked to Monegan himself in Palin’s office while she was away. Bailey is now on paid administrative leave.

As if this weren’t enough, Monegan’s appointed replacement Chuck Kopp, turns out to have been the center of his own little scandal. He received a letter of reprimand and was reassigned after sexual harrassment allegations by a former coworker who didn’t like all the unwanted kissing and hugging in the office. Was he vetted? Obviously not. When he was questioned about all this, his comment was that no one had asked him and he thought they all knew. Kopp, defiant, still claimed to have done nothing wrong and said to the press that there was no way he was stepping down from his new position. Twenty four hours later, he stepped down. Later it was uncovered that he received a $10,000 severance package for his two weeks on the job from Palin. Monegan got nothing.

After extensive news coverage about all this nasty behind-the-scenes scandal, which is definitely NOT squeaky clean, Palin’s approval ratings fell to 67%, still high, but a far cry from the 90% number that’s being thrown around so glibly by the Republicans today. Alaskans are quickly becoming disillusioned once again.

“Executive Experience”

Before her meteoric rise to political success as governor, just two short years ago Sarah Palin was the mayor of Wasilla. I had a good chuckle at MSN.com’s claim that she had been the mayor of “Wasilla City”. It is not a city. Just Wasilla. Wasilla is the heart of the Alaska “Bible belt” and Sarah was raised amongst the tribe that believes creationism should be taught in our public schools, homosexuality is a sin, and life begins at conception. She’s a gun-toting, hang ‘em high conservative. Remember…this is where her approval ratings come from. There is no doubt that McCain again is making a strategic choice to appeal to a particular demographic - fundamentalist right-wing gun-owning Christians. And Republican bloggers are already gushing about how she has ‘more executive experience’ than Obama does! Above is a picture of lovely downtown Wasilla, for those of you unfamiliar with the area. Behind the Mug-Shot Saloon (the first bar I visited when I moved to Alaska long ago) is a little strip mall. There are street signs in Wasilla with bullet holes in them. Wasilla has a population of about 5500 people, and 1979 occupied housing units. This is where your potential Vice President was two short years ago. Can you imagine her negotiating a nuclear non-proliferation treaty? Discussing foreign policy? Understanding non-Alaskan issues? Frankly, I don’t even know if she’s ever been out of the country. She may ‘get’ Alaska, but there are only a half a million people here. Don’t get me wrong….I love Alaska with all my heart. I’m just saying.

I, and all Alaskans will be interested to see how this whole process unfolds. This is definitely a gamble for McCain, and in my humble opinion, a gift to Obama and to Joe Biden who just got thrown a big hunk of red meat for the vice presidential debate.

This is the wedge-issue, desperate ’Hail Sarah’ pass of the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Marie Stewart | August 31, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I thought this was America. Home of the most brilliant thinkers,greatest courage,the example of the world and we have turned our selection of our leader into a soap opera. no wonder Russia is emboldened, no wonder China owns us, no wonder we are laughed at around the world. So go ahead and cheer your favorite color on while OUR SOLDIERS DIE! OUR HOMES LOSE THEIR VALUE, AND OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN SUFFER FOR OUR INGNORANCE AND LACK OF COURAGE.

Posted by: SUSIE KY | August 31, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if the Post want me posting a link to NYT, but this article says it all:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us/politics/31reconstruct.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Palin, least disastrous of a disastrous bunch.

I can read the tag line,
"Sarah Palin for VP, we hated her less than the other guy"

A ringing endorsement for positive politics!

Lets see how she handles herself over the next 2 weeks.

Posted by: Mike | August 31, 2008 4:30 AM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Republican soccer mom living in an affluent community, I was impressed with Senator Obama’s acceptance speech last evening. Having my morning latte with a few of my Republican friends, I almost spit my coffee when I heard the news. Is McCain really putting the best interests of our nation first? To me, he is pandering to women, trying to obtain their vote. It seems he wants another ‘trophy’ to parade around with. What is wrong with this man?

Posted by: Rebecca in Florida | August 31, 2008 4:15 AM | Report abuse

And, in all fairness, who is to take care of this four month old child with Dow Syndrome while the mother is out campaigning? I noticed one of the teenage daughters was last Saturday as they were introduced to the folks in Dayton. Is that not also part of the conservative credo that families come first? Apparently not when you are a first time ambitious governor.That child needs it's mother, not a teenage sister.

Posted by: Opa | August 31, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Is it me or does she bring up her Downs Syndrome baby at every opportunity? What do we have now, the same BS like with Mccains POW stuff. She will play the Downs Syndrome card if anyone says anything bad about her?


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Obama is discriminating against Hispanics so he needs women. A women GOP VP is sinking his on message of change. Obama used his Good judgement to snub Hillary and 18 mill women. MCcain does what he should have and you guys attack her. Lets hear how many women like her being smeared along with her Downs Syndrome little child.
Posted by: Catherine | August 31, 2008 2:21 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama is discriminating against Hispanics so he needs women. A women GOP VP is sinking his on message of change. Obama used his Good judgement to snub Hillary and 18 mill women. MCcain does what he should have and you guys attack her. Lets hear how many women like her being smeared along with her Downs Syndrome little child.

Posted by: Catherine | August 31, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

This article seems to provide more insight on how McCain picked Palin:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us/politics/31reconstruct.html

Posted by: debbie | August 31, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

LR your silly. She has more experience than Barack Obama. If your not scared of by Barack's lack of experience then it your just scared of a woman.

Posted by: Alanis | August 31, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Palin's nomination scares me way too much. I am more than a little concerned about not only Palin's lack of experience, but the gross hypocracy of an already incoherent GOP party platform if indeed the speculation that the little baby Trig is not the governor's baby, but that of her teenage daughter.

I have read that she was not vetted properly and that McCain only met her once before nominating her. What could he possibly know about her? I am not sure that he has all of his faculties. Perhaps he was smitten by her charm and attractive appearance. Either way, I see a lack of judgment and a lack of discipline on McCain's behalf.

Posted by: LR | August 31, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

I agree, I have a five year old and can't imagine. let alone having a downs baby, who needs extra attention, even if the baby did not have downs, 4 month old baby needs their mom. even if she has a husband the amount of time she needs to devote to this campaign, and god help us if the they win to this country. I don't get it... and it just shows you the kind of person McCain is or Rove or whoever came up with the brilliant idea. what are they thinking......fvma (family values my ass)

Posted by: Anne | August 31, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

It comes from Alaska and has been around for months. Dems didn't invent it and it does seem to be true like it or not.

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I'm with you Amanda. Where do Obama's people get these digusting tactics straight from the top. Obama is a sick joke...

Posted by: Cammy | August 31, 2008 1:12 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

CONSERVATIVE WEB SITE BLAMES PALIN BABY RUMOR
ON LEFT-WINGERS; DAILY KOS ISSUES APOLOGY

• But apparently authenticated photos of a svelte Gov. Palin at the 7-month mark keep up the buzz

http://rightwingnuthouse.com

Posted by: Enquiring Mind | August 31, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Amanda. Where do Obama's people get these digusting tactics straight from the top. Obama is a sick joke...

Posted by: Cammy | August 31, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

GObama is the perfect example why it will be Nobama this election. His people are behind this smear. And no nothing about genetics or how Downs Syndrome comes about. It is not common in very young women. Obama should be ashamed of himself he is not ready for change. A women will make history come November not a pig like Obama

Posted by: Amanda | August 31, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Enquiring Mind | August 31, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Is this chatter about the Down Syndrome baby actually being Sarah's 16-year old daughter's really based on rumors from the daughter's fellow high school students or others in Alaska? Or is just somebody adding up the facts (?) of Sarah not telling she was pregnant until she was 7th months pregnant, that the daughter missed 4-5 months of school at the critical time (was she not seen by anybody but family all this time?), that photos do not seem to show Sarah being pregnant, that Sarah boarded a plane and flew the 10-11 hours back to Alaska after her water broke, and that Sarah went back to work two days after the baby was born?

I agree that all of this may seem suspicious and is, apparently, on the record. But how in the world could such a secret have been kept when one and one's family are as public as a governor surely is? I know that Alaska may present a different environment for public figures and sensationalism than most of us are used to, but, still, all of this sounds far out. And now, surely, the mainstream media has to stay away from checking any of this out.

It all may be just as vile and baseless as the spreading of the "Muslim" rumors about Obama. That would be pathetic.

Posted by: Perplexed | August 31, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Yanno, most people think this race is a huge game, but for me and my family, it's as real as it gets.
My husband is an Autoworker and we are in danger of losing everything.
I just can't see America chosing somebody who will continue to ship jobs overseas and doesn't seem to care.
I go to sleep at night crying because my husband has been laid off most of this year, and I just don't know how much longer we can possibly hold on.
My son fought in Iraq for this country and I feel like in return we are just being ignored and stomped on.
I just don't know what will happen to us if McCain wins this election.
I'm more scared than I've ever been in my life.

Posted by: Treebranch | August 30, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

In case anyone wasn't certain what McCain sees in Palin. The man may have given up Straight Talk, but he's still certainly not subtle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU

Posted by: aleks | August 30, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Further to my post regarding the possible strategy of the choice of Gov. Palin, consider this: At a televised rally in Ohio Saturday, they arrived at the stage in the bus, Gov. Palin repeated the speech she gave Friday, and Sen McCain said...NOTHING. He introduced her, she spoke, and they boarded the bus and left. Nothing from the Sen. regarding support for her positions.

I now have a reason to watch the Rep. convention. I want to hear what, if anything, Sen. McCain himself has to say on conservative social issues.

My guess is he will leave all that to others, especially Gov. Palin. And if he's called on it, he could say that choosing Gov. Palin should imply his support.

But will he give five minutes of his acceptance speech to an impassioned elocution of his newly adopted views?

We shall see.

Posted by: Julie - Dem in Arkansas | August 30, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Hold on to your hats folks, the manure is about to hit the tabloid fan: The lastest Palin baby, the unfortunate Trig with down's syndrome, is NOT her baby...it is Her 16 year old daughter's and there are photos on the web that basically prove it. The circumstantial evidence is pretty heavy-duty too.

Mrs Palin not only isn't qualified in any way to be "one heartbeat" away from the President, but she is a liar. So Conservatives, put that in your peace pipe and smoke it, and to think that you were so gleeful over John Edwards, Hahaha
Your Evangelical Miss Wasilia's daughter is a fornicator, and the Palin's are so ashamed, they pretend that their GRANDchild is their son...after an elaborate ruse...11 hours on a plane AFTER her water broke? The daughter spent 7 months away from school because of Mono? The upside is that Palin uses that poor kid as a prop at every opportunity. Yeah she is a great pick.

Posted by: GObama | August 30, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"This year's check as $1,200."

Holy cow! Alaska had better prepare for an influx of lower 48-ers relocating!

Posted by: Julie - Dem in Arkansas | August 30, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

LaRouche Outlines Organizational Policy Now!
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Aug. 29, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche issued the following statement today, for dissemination to all LaRouche PAC members and supporters, as well as the general public.

"The nomination of Senator Barack Obama, as combined with the prospect of the nomination of Senator John McCain, has settled almost nothing other than the fact of those nominations themselves. The world as a whole is presently gripped by a growing potential for a genuine thermonuclear-weapons crisis like never before, at the same time that the greatest financial-economic crisis since Europe's Fourteenth Century has the entire world presently in its grip--whether some governments and leading political figures wish to recognize that reality, or not.

"The present international financial system is hopelessly bankrupt, and could not be saved. It could only be reorganized in a bankrutpcy designed to defend people, not financial speculators.

"Neither of the two referenced candidates has any present capability for successfully meeting the grave challenges of economic breakdowns of entire economies, and threats of nuclear exchanges, which must be expected as serious possibilities between now and November.

"As recent patterns of developments have already shown, we have an intellectual capability of unique importance in this process. Our most prominent role, as through the work of LPAC, is to provide the intellectual leadership on crucial economic and other strategic issues which neither of those candidacies is presently equipped to deal competently without outside advice, including that provided by our initiatives.

"Therefore, our LPAC campaign has far greater importance for the weeks immediately ahead, than at any time prior to this point. We shall therefore mobilize accordingly.''
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Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

LaRouche to Putin: Georgia Provocation Was British-Run, Through Cheney
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August 28, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche today responded to a CNN interview by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, in which he charged that the U.S. was behind the Georgian attack on Russian peacekeepers and the South Ossetian population, earlier this month. Putin claimed to have evidence that American military advisers were engaged with Georgian Special Forces units in combat against Russian peacekeepers, and that such actions had to be the result of orders from higher-ups.

While agreeing with the facts presented by Prime Minister Putin, LaRouche offered a crucial clarification: ``It is wrong to view this as an American operation,'' LaRouche explained. ``This came from the British, and the British operated principally through one of their key assets in the Bush White House, Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney is a documented asset of the faction in Britain that is out to provoke a World War III confrontation between Russia and the United States.''

LaRouche continued, ``Cheney is a British stooge, and that must be understood, for Prime Minister Putin and others, like Gen. Ivashov, to properly assess the strategic context of these provocations. Cheney is a British stooge, and this Georgia provocation is a British strategic operation, utilizing highlevel American assets. Prime Minister Putin has his facts correct, but his analysis is not correct, insofar as he leaves out the crucial British role.''

LaRouche further warned that both of the presumed U.S. Presidential candidates, Senator John McCain and Senator Barack Obama, will likely fall in line with this British-steered World War III provocation. In Obama's case, he implicitly is a British agent, through his close ties and allegiance to a known asset of the British Foreign Office, George Soros. In the case of John McCain, he is ideologically susceptible to precisely such a British-orchestrated provocation.

LaRouche concluded: ``The British intent is to bring the world to the edge of a new Cuba Missile Crisis-type confrontation, and they are running this policy through U.S. operations that they control, centered around our Vice President, Dick Cheney.''

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Quote: Posted by: NoOneImportant | August 30, 2008 10:48 PM
"Would he really leave his beloved country in her hands? Consider all the other Republican’s - that might make acceptable war-leaders in his stead - that he passed over to pick her?

I don’t think he wants to destroy this nation to save it."
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NoOne, that puzzles me, too. Choosing Gov. Palin is only good strategy if he lives through his term, and surely he realizes we are all mortal. However, perhaps he trusts that in the event, Americans would pull together as we always do, and his cabinet and staff would see Gov. Palin through her shallow experience of domestic and world affairs.

There were surely more substantial social conservatives he could have tapped -- even Huckabee -- but none of them would cause the political volcano that's erupted with the pick of Gov. Palin.

Governing is future. Politics, strategy and winning count now. The game for the next couple of months is, get everyone in the country yapping about your man/woman whenever possible.

It certainly did that.

Posted by: Julie - Dem in Arkansas | August 30, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

The government of Alaksa takes in so much oil money that it doesn't need to tax it's citizens - there is no sales tax nor income tax. Even still the government is so awash with money that it gives it away to the citizens year after year. This year's check as $1,200.

http://www.adn.com/front/story/505651.html

I'll leave it to your own judgement how much giving away free money would boost a policitican's poll numbers.

--"In my state nothing could have energized the response for McCain's campaign like McCain's selection of Palin as his running mate. She seems quite accomplished as a Governor to have such high approval ratings, and also more moderate than conservative.

Posted by: Chris Baker | August 30, 2008 10:15 PM"--

Posted by: NoOneImportant | August 30, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

looking for some reading, read about how palin doesn't believe in sticking forceps through the head of a baby like your boy barrack

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

your boy did great at saddleback too, right?
OJ was innocent too.. you obama supporters are blind

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

ObamaJunkie,

KBH asopted two children during the last eight years.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | August 30, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

you living in your own little dreamworld... i am sure you thought ichabod kerry would win for sure in 04 too

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, LeeAnn. I've been looking for some info on Gov. Palin's background beyond the bullet list that's been on tv so far. Please share whatever else you find, I'm in reading mode tonight. (What else is there for a Yankee Democrat in Arkansas to do on a Saturday night?)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

How about McCain being a truly great patriot, something akin to George Washington? Palin is such an irresponsible choice as VP, that McCain is falling on his sword. He doesn’t want to president.

McCain must be aware of his own mortality, and I find it hard to fathom why the ex-POW would think Sarah Palin acceptable as commander-in-chief when the US is at war. I believe that McCain put his country before his party – and is genuinely appalled at what Bush has done to his beloved country.

Stepping even further out on the limb – the trial-balloons of him picking a pro-choice VP were his attempt to judge his ability to moderate his party. The results made it clear that the social conservatives have a firm grip on his party. If he is elected president – the social conservatives that have wreaked the before mentioned havoc on this nation – could not be removed from governance. Obama, is a responsible adult, and his party appears both rational and trustworthy.

He’s found he can’t moderate his party and can’t remove those who are Republican’s first and American’s second – people like Karl Rove: those that use the burden of patriotism as a weapon. So he gives the zealots what they want – giving them the rope to hang themselves with. I thought it was strange that he made such a big deal about how Sarah Palin would join him in putting other people before self.
How could someone so at odds with the incompetence of the Bush administration genuinely believe that a beauty-queen, sports caster, mayor of a village, is the best qualified Republican to be his second in command? Would he really leave his beloved country in her hands? Consider all the other Republican’s - that might make acceptable war-leaders in his stead - that he passed over to pick her?

I don’t think he wants to destroy this nation to save it.

Posted by: NoOneImportant | August 30, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

My mistake Anonymous. The latest Gallup Daily Tracking poll was conducted before the end of the convention, Aug 27 through Aug 29th.

My advice is that you don't start paying attention to the polls until two weeks after the Republican Convention, sa around Sept. 15. Why?

Because several events have yet to take place. First Hurricane Gustav and the Republican Convention. Second the potential for another Hurricane (currently Tropical Storm Hannah) to hit the Gulf Coast between Sept 7th to Sept 12. Lastly, the 7th anniversary of 9/11 which will likely result in a tape release by Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.

All these things will remind Americans of the failures of the Bush Administration and that both McCain and Bush were celebrating McCain's birthday the day Katrina hit the US. Plus the pick of Sarah Palin will push McCain farther down in polling.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Just like with his decision to vote "YES" to pre-emptively invade Iraq, McCain has failed again with his VP pick.


The Anchorage Daily News samples some state politician reaction:

"She's (Palin) not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? said [State Senate President Lyda Green, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla]. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"

Full story here:
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/510249.html
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Posted by: LeeAnn Waters | August 30, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

From Forbes -

In 1962, John F. Kennedy said, "It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low, and the soundest way to raise revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus." In 1963, in his annual message to Congress, President Kennedy said, "In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction … [R]educing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."

Ironically, today it is the Republican John McCain who is proposing the tax policies of President Kennedy, which led to the economic boom of the 1960s, rather than the Democratic nominee, Barack Obama. Indeed, what Mr. Obama is proposing is the opposite of Kennedy's tax policies.

On the budget, Mr. McCain is promising to go after spending with vengeance. He proposes a one-year freeze on all federal discretionary spending outside of defense and veterans benefits, and he wants to limit overall federal spending growth to 2.4%, about one-third the annual increases since 2000. He promises to reclaim the money committed to earmarks; eliminate broken, ineffective government programs; reform procurement policies to cut wasteful defense spending; and "veto every pork-laden spending bill and make their authors famous." Through these policies, he proposes to balance the budget, not years into the future, but during his first term.

Again, this seems to be exactly what our economy needs right now. In contrast, Mr. Obama is proposing vast new increases in spending, estimated by budget watchdog groups to cost well over a trillion dollars during his presidential term.

Posted by: paul | August 30, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

we would never accept a pro abortion women or man vp - we don't like baby killers like the dems do

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain screwed up, not with idea of a woman VP, but his choice of one. He slighted the likes of governors like Linda Lingle, and M. Jodie Rell as well as Senators like Kay Baily Hutchison, Olympia Snowe, Shelia Frahm, Susan Collins, and Elizabeth Dole. All these women have more political "chops" than Palin, but I guess are not as "cute" with a "baby" that has special needs.

How sad for the former POW who cheated on his wife with a younger former beauty queen to use another former beauty queen so politically?!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

obama-junkie you are wrong the 49-41 was after the convention don't start picking out the african art yet for the obama white house

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the only reason I knew Gov. Palin's name before Friday was from reading The Fix. A miss on the prediction, maybe, but surely not on the possibility.

After a day to digest the surprise and follow the media and dem campaign reaction, I am beginning to see the strategy. Now Sen. McCain can refer all radical right issues to Gov. Palin, leaving him free to reclaim the more centrist positions and "maverickishness" that everyone had thought he'd abandoned for the past few months.

Pretty smart. Prior to this, I was convinced he'd sold his soul to the right. But if my theory proves true, I'll be less uneasy about the possibility of a McCain/Palin win.

Still, as a dem, I like our chances. Should be an exciting couple of months.

Posted by: Julie - Dem in Arkansas | August 30, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

From the Zogby poll today McCain/palin 47%
obama/biden 45%

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza, you are showing your amateurish political nature by some of the comment in your blog. First and foremost you state "Hutchison didn't make the cut for three reasons. First, she has young children...". Hutchison is 65 years old! What young children are you referring to?? Secondly, Palin has two teenage daughters, one preschooler and a newborn child, so your statement about Hutchison is totally without context and reason!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 30, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

How did The Fix miss it? Easy. Everyone missed it. Nobody thought McCain was going to quayle this one.

Posted by: MoCO | August 30, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Addendum to post below on Palin:

McCain has said the GOP convention may be pushed back due to Hurricane Gustav.

Could he really need those extra days to see how the Palin pick is playing among GOP heavies... so that he can avoid a political firestorm at the convention if opposition builds?

Gustav spells more tragedy for the Gulf Coast... but in political terms, the timing could work in McCain's favor and save him from what could prove to be a costly blunder.

Only the hard right seems content with this pick, judging from reaction thus far...

Posted by: scrivener | August 30, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

LindaB...if you are into polls. The Gallup Daily tracking poll has Obama up over McCain by 8 pts (49% to 41%) and this was before the start of the Democratic Convention. With the successful Democratic Convention over and Obama/Biden on the campaign trail and now that McCain has made his VEEP choice, I can foresee Obama/Biden up to 52% while McCain stays at 41%.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

A MODERATE GOP REVOLT BREWING OVER PALIN?
WILL REPUB 'BIGS' EXPRESS SUNDAY A.M. DOUBTS?


Are moderate Republicans planning a revolt at the GOP convention over the Palin pick -- and could it result in a push to persuade McCain to drop her in favor of a more seasoned candidate?

Could there even be a movement to nominate a candidate other than McCain, a repeat of the 1952 GOP convention that resulted in the nomination of Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower? (His grand-daughter Susan, a foreign policy wonk, has endorsed Obama.)

Many conservatives in the party have long disapproved of McCain, but they seem to love the choice of Palin, the Annie Oakley of the right.

Will Tom Browkaw do a Tim Russert and really probe Tim Pawlenty on this question? Or will he let T-Paw slide with an obligatory endorsement of McCain's choice?

The Pawlenty and Romney camps were said by some media reporters to be privately enraged over the Palin pick.

Rudy Guiliani, Lindsey Graham and a couple other big GOPers also are slated for the Sunday chats. Will any of them be bold enough to cast some serious doubts on the viability of the Palin nod? Or will they all fall into line, in the grand GOP tradition?

Should be interesting.

Posted by: scrivener | August 30, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

In my state nothing could have energized the response for McCain's campaign like McCain's selection of Palin as his running mate. She seems quite accomplished as a Governor to have such high approval ratings, and also more moderate than conservative.

Posted by: Chris Baker | August 30, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

New Zogby poll Just out:

McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1547

Posted by: LindaB | August 30, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

We missed the call because we were not looking into the political horizon for an Unidentified Flying Object.......
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/08/30/governor-palin-a-ufo/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | August 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain has set himself up to be scruntize even for his decision-making abilities and his age with the selection of Sarah Palin as his VP.

Over the next two to three weeks, the following events will define the presidential tickets discussions:

Sept. 2 - Hurricane Gustav predicted to make landfall

Sept. 4 - Results of the EU Summit on Russia-Georgia conflict.

Sept. 11 - 7th Anniversary of 9/11/01 attacks. Expect a Bin Laden or Al Qaeda tape release.

Sept. 2 to 6th - Talk of another Hurricane (presently Tropical Storm Hannah) striking the Gulf Coast between Sept. 7th to Sept. 12th.

It will be interesting to see how the McCain/Palin ticket responds to these events as well as the Obama/Biden ticket.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 30, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!!!! SARAH PALIN DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A VICE PRESIDENT DOES.

PITIFULL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9pnzQ96kWA&feature=related

Posted by: Pope | August 30, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!!!! SARAH PALIN DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A VICE PRESIDENT DOES.

PITIFULL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9pnzQ96kWA&feature=related

Posted by: Pope | August 30, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

It has already backfired. All they have been talking about now is his age. That was off limits before and that is the biggest issue in the election.

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Any attempt to bring up Palin's "inexperience" is a waste of time. McCain was very smart to take the initiative on that with the Hillary and Biden videos that declared Obama as not ready. Palin wasn't expected to be a VP pick then and the dems were caught with their pants down again, getting ready for a Romney pick. Those commercials were too powerful and will always stick in peoples' minds. It's a mistake for the dems to attack Palin now since it would only prolong the debate about Obama's own inexperience, and the dems certainly don't want any more of that.

McCain is a smart dude and I wouldn't underestimate him.

If you are a democrat set on Obama, start to worry. Yes, worry a lot!


Posted by: Lita in California | August 30, 2008 8:01 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Obamabots need to chill; Palin ain't gonna win an election by herself.

Posted by: Pandit Nehru | August 30, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with dch.

As a 46 year old white, married female Democrat with (sorry) only 2 children, I believe we cannot afford to spend too much time emphasizing his poor choice of VP, however she is yet another in a long, sad line-up of decisions that reflect his poor judgement and showcase his inability to connect with the American people. He can't even create a balanced ticket for all republicans, just the evangelicals he's so desperate to win over. I know quite a few pro-choice republicans who won't be voting for him. He only met her once before choosing her. Everything he said about her was badly read off a prompter, not one thing was genuine.

I haven't heard one republican speak of her accomplishments or experience for more than 10 seconds without using defensive tag lines and sound bites to make her seem like a worthy choice, cutting off anyone who asks questions that would expose the truth.

Even fifth graders know what a VP does. I can't believe she actually admitted on television that she didn't know. For that reason alone I wouldn't vote for her even if she were running for PTA President. I am genuinely amazed at how far they're going with the, "if you're a woman, even a democrat, you'll want to switch to our side now."

Regardless, as a result we have momentarily taken our focus off of how little our country can afford to have McCain as POTUS. So I offer the following warning. If McCain wins be prepared to:

1. No longer have access to birth control coverage or preventive education - please read a portion of the article entitled,
"Is John McCain against Birth Control?"

"While the majority of Americans support the use of birth control to prevent unintended pregnancy, John McCain has actually voted to block women's access to birth control. Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said that voters should question the myth of the moderate maverick that the McCain campaign is selling."

"During his twenty-five years in office, Sen. McCain has consistently voted to block low-income women's access to birth control, to deny our teens accurate information about birth control and condoms, to stop measures that would require insurance companies to cover birth control, and to prevent funds to an organization that provides family-planning services – not abortion – for the world's poorest women. Voters need to know that John McCain is not only against abortion, he is against birth control."

John McCain has, in fact, voted at least 22 times against women's access to family-planning services, including birth control.

To read the entire article please see http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/election-pr/06062008_mccainbc.html

2. Sadly, we may face a future where back alley butchers will again be our only alternative unless we can prove (before it's too late) that we were raped or pregnant by incest before we can legally use our right to choose. By then it may be too late. You'll have forever had your life altered by your government whether you wanted to or not.

Posted by: Peakmom | August 30, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lita in California | August 30, 2008 8:43 PM

"When he passed over a sure winning ticket (Obama-Clinton), what does that tell you?

... For all his talk about change, Obama seems to forget that you must win first. And that comes only from making good decisions!"
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I understand what you are saying. It is true that Republicans have great winners whereas Democrats have great leaders.

I think you fail to see the bigger context of Obama's decision. In simplistic terms, Obama's reasoned selection of Biden was made for the good of the country. McCain's choice of Palin was for the good of the McCain campaign.

I think the question one should be asking is whether John McCain truly puts his country first?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Gotta admit Big John likes good-looking women...

Posted by: michael4 | August 30, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frederick2 | August 30, 2008 6:37 PM

"... Joe is a good man, but the VP doesn't effect the success of the Presidential candidate. The same is true with Palin. Why are you [goes] not chiming in the same way. Where is the intellectual honesty?"
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If Obama were 72 years old, I believe you would hear a loud chorus of criticism about his pick ...

Posted by: PBJ | August 30, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

To Obama Junkie:

You're in dreamland. McCain is out to win an election. His decision to pick Palin (which I believe he made the moment Obama announced Biden) was absolute genius.

In contrast, I truly believe Obama wants to lose. Maybe being president just scares him.

When he passed over a sure winning ticket (Obama-Clinton), what does that tell you? Would you turn down a winning Lotto ticket just because you didn't like the cashier that sold it to you?

For all his talk about change, Obama seems to forget that you must win first. And that comes only from making good decisions!

Posted by: Lita in California | August 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

MNobserver wrote:

Maybe [sex] sold McCain too. Did you notice how often he was fiddling with his wedding ring while she was talking?
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You are absolutely right! I thought I was the only one who noticed McCain's onanistic attention to his wedding ring and finger, often while he was staring directly at Palin's butt as she gave her speech.

All throughout Palin's speech McCain seemed to be digitally masturbating his ring finger, his own wife several feet away!! A real "risk-taker," I agree.

Go look at the video, folks. This was priceless!

Posted by: NMwatcher | August 30, 2008 5:16 PM
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Ya'll are killing me, rofl...

Posted by: michael4 | August 30, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans can knock Obama as inexperience all they want to but Obama got over 18 million votes in the Democratic Primaries.

So far in this Presidential election season, Palin has gotten one and that is from John McCain!

There many scenarios where the McCain/Palin ticket can really sink quickly in polling. There are as followed:

1) If Palin really shows how unaware she is of national issues concerning the American people like the economy, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, Al Qaeda, Russia, and a coherent energy policy.

2) If displeased prominent Republican women leaders come out have-hearted for the ticket because they feel slighted and that Palin is not experienced enough.

3) If McCain has any health "scare" (i.e. cancer or some condition) even if it later proves to be false, will highlight the sensitivity many Americans have towards Palin as the next commander-in-chief.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 30, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Lita in California...McCain has sealed his presidential fate with picking Palin as his VP. Some in the Republican party, social conservatives, will hail McCain picking Palin. But there will be many more moderate Republicans, conservative Democrats and Independents who will be very concerned with McCain's decision-making process.

Does John McCain truly believe that should he be unable to fulfill his duty as President of the US that Palin is the most qualified Republican to take his spot? Will voters buy the fact that McCain chose his second-in-command to be an attractive 44-yr old former beauty pageant contestant who political career has mostly dealt with representing about 50 to 6000 people as city councilwoman and mayor with the exception of the 670,000 Alaskans she now represents as Governor for 18 months coupled with the fact that he has met her only 1 time in his life prior to offering her the VEEP position?

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 30, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Of course you blew it Chris - it was an impossible call.
Politics101 decrees that when behind a VP pick will pull to the centre and JMcC zigged when he should have zagged.
((Luvved the Chat room at the DNC Chris and I urge everyone on this thread to join the WashPo mob at the RNC - the more the merrier - it's a hoot))

Posted by: James Moylan | August 30, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse


You Libs got big problems with Palin.
I TAKE IT YOU LIKE HEARING YOURSELF TALK.

Can you feel it slippin away?
NO, WHY SHOULD WE? OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING, IT'S A BIT EARLY FOR SUCH SILLY BOASTING.

Saw a recent interview of her with that Maria B. babe on CNBC last night. Palin has such command of the Energy issue and what needs to be done. eloquent. thoughtful. talks off the cuff about all the issues with such command.
ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT SHE KNOWS MORE THAN YOU. THAT MAY NOT BE SAYING TOO MUCH...

350 spending vetos.
IF YOU SAY SO.

obama never saw a spending increase he didn't like.
STUPID STATEMENT.

rebate checks back to AK citizens for $1200 becuase the taxaes collected were too much, so she gave it back!
INACCURATE.

"the taxpayers know how to spend this better than the government does"
GEE, HOW ORIGINAL.

This is a true conservative in the Reagan mold.
SAD TO SAY, EVEN IF TRUE. PROBABLY NOT.

Evanagelicals are ecstatic, organizing and lining up to ramp up this campaign up to ensure McCain gets elected.
ALL, OR JUST SOME?

when you hear her speak....i'm tellin you, you will see how out of touch Bama, Biden and Washington is out of touch
DONT' FORGET PUNCTUATION. I COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT YOU'RE "TELLIN"...IT'S HYPERBOLE.

EVEN IF ELECTED, THEY WON'T GET MUCH DONE FIGHTING WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS.

IS IT TRUE SHE ONLY HAS A DEGREE IN JOURNALISM?

Posted by: Dano | August 30, 2008 4:32 PM

Posted by: michael4 | August 30, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin's selection does one thing: it shores up the Republican base. I very strongly doubt, however, that it will have the effect McCain had hoped for, i.e., attracting swing voters and disgruntled Clinton voters. (I was myself a Clinton supporter, as were my husband and children. We had reluctantly become Obama supporters on the basis of policy issues, as we are all liberal/progressive.)

Palin is a strong anti-abortion foe, as well as a supporter of teaching creationism, a former Pat Buchanan supporter, and does not believe that climate change is caused by human activity. I doubt you'll find many fervent supporters of Sen. Clinton who will agree with much of this.

I am also the mother of a young adult who is mentally retarded. My daughter holds down a competitive job, rides horses in Special Olympics, and is learning to be independent. However, I must point out that care of a newborn with special needs is far more time-consuming than caring for a so-called "normal" child. I hope she understands that duties as Vice President will require an extremely difficult choice from her: she will either pretty much have to abandon most of the care for her child to nannies, OR abandon many of the duties of a Vice President.

Does Gov. Palin REALLY know what she's getting herself in for? I doubt it very much.

Incidentally, among my friends in the disability community: I know NOBODY who is so-called "pro-life." Not ONE. I'm sure there are many women who are anti-abortion advocates, both within the disability community and outside it, but I know of none personally.

I think Sen. McCain had far better choices available to him. I think that his selection of Gov. Palin is going to backfire on him.

Posted by: Dori | August 30, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Dano: I don't know why a patriot would seek out the help of a terrorist -- ask John McCain why he had G. Gordon Liddy hold a fundraiser at his house and contribute $5,000 to him over the year, including $1000 this year. Why would John McCain go on the radio show of a man convicted of the largest crime against the democratic system and praise Liddy's values and commitment? Why would he not distance himself from a man who advised the Branch Davidians to aim for ATF agent's heads so they could avoid their flak jackets? How could he possibly still embrace and call "friend" a man who advocated obliterating wide swaths of Viet Nam and has expressed rapturous admiration for Adolph Hitler? You're right, Dano, these questions NEED to be asked!
And Chris, the reason nobody thought about Palin as a serious VP contender is that she's so uniquely unqualified for a 72 year old 4 time cancer survivor. But, hey, this kind of Maverick choice of a woman McCain met only once should give us all a great view of what a McCain presidency would look like ... If you want another laugh ... check this hilarious parody out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT4tbdoZMmc

Posted by: Did I mention I'm a POW Beauty Queen? | August 30, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Any attempt to bring up Palin's "inexperience" is a waste of time. McCain was very smart to take the initiative on that with the Hillary and Biden videos that declared Obama as not ready. Palin wasn't expected to be a VP pick then and the dems were caught with their pants down again, getting ready for a Romney pick. Those commercials were too powerful and will always stick in peoples' minds. It's a mistake for the dems to attack Palin now since it would only prolong the debate about Obama's own inexperience, and the dems certainly don't want any more of that.

McCain is a smart dude and I wouldn't underestimate him.

If you are a democrat set on Obama, start to worry. Yes, worry a lot!


Posted by: Lita in California | August 30, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I work in HR communications. Sarah Palin is what we call "the diversity hire."
It's not a compliment.

Posted by: Larryman | August 30, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

But the important thing -- are we really ready for that baby-girl voice?

Posted by: Helen | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM

That's actually what sealed the deal for McCain. She reminds him of Cindy, in the good old days when she was only half his age.

Posted by: aleks | August 30, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to see how a number of the comments, either out of partisan affiliation or by lack of perspective, belittle the readiness of Obama to be the President. Here is a man, who is definitely very intelligent and gifted in many leadership qualities (including the inspirational rhetorical skills), running perhaps one of the most disciplined political campaign ever run for this office. He and his team have a strategy, as they have repeatedly mentioned and were grounded enough to pursue that without pandering to the distractions so far.

Palin's candidacy seems surely as a masterstroke from republicans with a tinge of Rovian tactical brilliance. Other than all the things it means for the partisan faithfuls, it is a decoy for the attacks from Obama camp. Just have a look at the responses so far from the followers, where everyone is trying jubilantly to attack Palin with the comment about 'a heart beat away' from the Presidency and her relative lack of experience. The point is while this argument is being made, they are indirectly acknowledging that McCain is capable to be President and it is only his VP who is not experienced enough. That is the Rovian psychological tactic. Its a different matter that they are ready to gamble such a tactic at the cost of a huge risk to the country. Country first may just be a slogan there.

Well, the difference is that they have got more than a match with Obama and his core team. It is plain evident from both Obama/Biden response as well as their ads today that they are not going to bite that bait. Sure there will be cutting down to size by the sidekicks in the coming months, but Palin will not be the main argument against the Republican ticket.

That is the brilliance of the Obama candidacy and he surely seemed to be a leader who could outfox the best from the competition and hence could become a great commander in chief.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADER BLASTS PALIN
"Its A Bad Joke"

Alaska State Senate President, Republican Lyda Green said she thought it was a joke when someone called her at 6 a.m. to give her the news that McCain has chosen Palin.

"She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Green, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla.

"Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510249.html

Posted by: Bob | August 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

A lot has been made of Palin's heroic bringing to term of a baby with Down's Syndrome, and I certainly applaud that decision. But what pregnant 44 year-old discovers that her water broke (according to her) finishes a speech in Texas, then GETS ON A PLANE for a ten-hour flight to Alaska to give birth. It sounds very risky.
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http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/sarah-palin/22236/the-fully-vetted-sarah-palin/
…the oldest girl is rumored to have actually been the one who had the last baby, the one with Down’s Syndrome. She was taken out of school the last 4 or 5 months of her mother’s pregnancy.
On March 5th, 2008 Alaska’s Republican Governor, Sarah Palin, announced to the media that she was 7 months pregnant with her 5th child. She is currently 44.
Palin’s daughter Bristol is 16 and attends an Anchorage high school. Students who have attended class with her report that she has been out of school for months, claiming a prolonged case of mono.
Palin does not appear pregnant in any recent photographs. The announcement came as quite a shock to people who had worked closely with her, and have been quoted as saying that she did not appear pregnant whatsoever during the prior 7 months. While this is debatable, you can judge for yourself here: http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php
(Ed Note: That link has since died since we first looked at it. The pictures were removed today.)
Posted by: Who's your Mommy?? | August 30, 2008 3:12 PM

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Chris, it does now appear that Sarah baby isn't going to do a lot to attract Hillary voters to McCain.

But perhaps that's actually not the point -- maybe it's about getting evangelists and denying the connection to Bush. On the first, it might work, although the traditional evangelist is likely to think Sarah should be home to look after that Down's syndrome baby. Interesting to see if they're willing to vote for her politics over their social demands.

On the idea that she represents a new approach, that's the gamble: she has let ethics investigations of Alaska's senior Republicans continue, but she does have a few ethics problems of her own -- not to mention that taking out the existing power structure could increase her clout.

But the important thing -- are we really ready for that baby-girl voice?

Posted by: Helen | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Chris, it does now appear that Sarah baby isn't going to do a lot to attract Hillary voters to McCain.

But perhaps that's actually not the point -- maybe it's about getting evangelists and denying the connection to Bush. On the first, it might work, although the traditional evangelist is likely to think Sarah should be home to look after that Down's syndrome baby. Interesting to see if they're willing to vote for her politics over their social demands.

On the idea that she represents a new approach, that's the gamble: she has let ethics investigations of Alaska's senior Republicans continue, but she does have a few ethics problems of her own -- not to mention that taking out the existing power structure could increase her clout.

But the important thing -- are we really ready for that baby-girl voice?

Posted by: Helen | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't blame yourself, Chris. If you had speculated that McCain might make such a ridiculous and irresponsible decision you'd have been condemned for Liberal Bias.

Posted by: aleks | August 30, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

msnbc and cnn seem furious over this pick - i wonder why...

Posted by: fred | August 30, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The dirty little secret that the Dems know is the polled voters lie. Answering a Polster and commiting in the voting booth are two different things. Palin plays to that. The guilty voter can now cast for a women and still feel clean. Brilliant is an understatment. Protecting the Consertitive side is a bonus. Pulling a few lost females is a bouns. Obama is done. Sorry Dreamers, but Red wins again.

Posted by: NotNEorWestbutStillCount | August 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

There are both advantages and disadvantages to McCain's pick. In the long term, however, I believe the net will be significantly negative.

Some of the disadvantages:

(1) Palin's obvious inexperience on the national and international stage;

(2) The focus it places on McCain's past escapades as a skirt chaser; eg, did he pick a "trophy VP" as he did his "trophy wife"?

(3) Palin's stint as a mayor (a part-time job, by the way) of a very small town of Wasilla, pop 5,400 (per Y2000 census), in which the 2000 census stated that 67% of families were under the poverty line...a shameful number for a state so rich is natural resources.

Once the press take a magnifying glass to Wasilla, to Alaska's disadvantaged population, to Alaska's environmental record, and to Palin herself, I think the nation will see that this "first presidential decision of McCain, his selection of a running mate" will have been extremely poor judgement.

Posted by: LarryB | August 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

For some how, Republicans have mastered on how to win the White House every four years. Democrats have not figured it out yet on how to win BIG one. They know how not to win!

Can you name one Democratic presidential candidate in last 30 years who comes in with less experience than Senator Barack H Obama?

Hubert H. Humphrey (Lost: 1968)
George McGovern (Lost: 1972)
Jimmy Carter (Won: 1976, Lost: 1980)
Walter F. Mondale (Lost: 1984)
Michael S. Dukakis (Lost: 1988)
Al Gore (Lost: 2000)
John Kerry (Lost: 2004)
Barack H. Obama (Xxxx: 2008)

Posted by: Paul | August 30, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if we haven't wrung all the importance out of the VP picks by this point. As important as the Vice President must surely be, and as problematic for some as the choice of Sarah Palin may prove to be, the truth is I don't worry nearly as much about having Sarah Palin as Vice President as I do about having John McCain as President.

It is his "plans" that concern me much more than these arid questions about "experience" and "preparation." We'd better hope to God that WHOEVER is chosen IS prepared or we may be in for some real difficulties.

But the fact remains that voting with Bush 90% of the time does not a maverick make--and making things worse is the fact that he has pretty much reneged on the 10% that distinguished him--His campaign has come down to a single mantra: You can't trust my opponent.

Do I want to go with a chance that there will be significant and positive change or the virtual certainty that no real change will occur?

The fact that McCain offers no hope of substantial policy difference with Bush troubles me MUCH more greatly than ANY veep pick he could make.

Posted by: dch | August 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain is becoming the Al Gore of 2000--unable to decide on a message or identity. It's true of his policy stands. It's also true of his strategy and identity. He's all over the map. It's almost scary to watch.

McCain began the primaries as the establishment candidate... the one who had waited in line the longest (which matters for Republicans) and kneeling in homage to Bush after getting the VP offer from Kerry. His terribly run campaign plummeted into non-existence a year ago.

He built it back up over time as the restored maverick (he had no other options), as every other Republican flavor of the month, Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, Huckabee, etc. came and went and everyone saw that each one was fatally flawed in their own way.

He got the nomination and became the establishment candidate again, making good with the Christian right who he hated in 2000 (including people I wouldn't even consider to be Christians because they're so extreme). He got lobbyists to run his campaign.

Now he wants to be a maverick again. But he really can't be anymore. So, he picks someone who's supposedly a maverick--not in the more recent sense of the term (someone willing to break with their party to embrace bipartisan/moderate views) but as someone who's willing to break with her own party to be even more extremist and conservative--at least in the things she has any clue about. She apparently has no opinions about Iraq, terrorism, foreign policy, etc because she's never had a chance to think about it before. All the better for the neocons to brainwash her.

After McCain has mocked Obama for being all about change and not experienced enough, he's decided that's the wrong strategy, and now wants to embrace change.

He already has embraced change many times in his strategy and policies. So much, that it's unclear who John McCain is. Maybe he doesn't know who he is anymore either.

Posted by: MNobserver | August 30, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Here is a picture of Palin's hometown of Wasilla and remarks from her
neighbors, friends, co-workers, and other Alaskan officials:

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Lee12 | August 30, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Children are the best political capital, Fixy.

Posted by: Kay Bailey Mutchison | August 30, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse


If you feel Rove knows what he is talking about, he said on the Greta Van Susteren show, John Mccain can't win and laid out the reason why. I bet if he was on any other show they would have cut him off. Great is not very political.

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Sabotage. Karl Rove gave back door advice to McCain on this pick. (Yes! You're a maverick, Johnny ole boy! Palin strategy is so brilliant, I wish I could take credit for it!) It’s a wink to the neocons that he can bring down anybody who doesn’t fall in 100% in line. Rove is counting on Obama to be Jimmy Carter redux. Run a neocon controlled candidate in 2012 and stay in power for the next 20+ years. Rove is taking a dive on this one. He knows nobody can mop up Bush’s massive mess in 4 short years.

Posted by: Farmer | August 30, 2008 6:56 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

You want to stand her next to Obama, I don't think so.


THE EXPERIENCE MYTH OF OBAMA

I have worked with the Obama campaign on a local level since December and have met and spoken with Obama numerous times. Anyone who thinks Obama is not prepared for the office of president does not know Barack Obama. I don't think the campaign has spoken about it, although there have been articles written, maybe because it may have seemed kind of presumptive doing all this so many months before he even had the nomination, but that is not how Obama works.
Little is left to chance. So here is what the deal is:

Does Obama have the experience to be president, is he ready? It would be hard to say anyone is ready to be president, but what prepares one for the job?

Obama has been getting ready when his nomination was still no more then a dream. Obama has an advisory staff of over a 300. Most all are the top people in their fields. 4 of his staff are the top people on middle east politics in the world. He has numerous people on pretty much everything you could think of from global warming to world economics to energy and foreign policy to the military. Generals to scholars you name it, he has been working with these people for more then a year. Obama is a brilliant man, who easily knows more right now then any candidate who ever ran for the office of president. He is so up to speed it is astounding. John Mccain does not know or grasp a fraction of what Obama does. Mccain is in effect, a dinosaur, compared to Obama now. Mccain has no real practical experience or understanding in many of these areas at all. Just being in Washington for many years does not necessarily make you an expert nor knowledgeable in "Anything".
Bill Clinton said it best when he said,
"No one is really prepared to be president".
He was right and Obama understood that better then anyone long before he even began his journey for the presidency. So for over a year he has been quietly preparing. Like anything such as being a doctor or lawyer or any profession, your first introduction is academic, you go to school. Obama will by no means be learning on the job, he has been in school for more then a year. When enters office, Obama will be the most well prepared and ready president to ever walk into the white house.
He will also be surrounded by the finest staff ever assembled by any president in history.

If you do not want to vote for Barack Obama I can respect that, but by no means think he is not ready to be president. He will be the most ready man to ever win the office.

Thanks for listening
A Florida Obama worker
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It is amazing how Democrats want to criticize Palin's supposed lack of "experience." So the part that wants to change Washington now says you have to be some sort of entrenched political hack to run for VP? How about her 2 years as Governor (executive experience, not just 1 of 100 like BO), 6 years as Mayor of Wasilla (executive experience and small town politics, it doesn't get much better than that), 4 years as a City Council Member, business owner, laborer, Mother, Wife, various boards, etc.

I have been hearing from more people (I work in a Customer Service Call Center) who are being so open about their support for this choice. It really seems that it has energized the base, which was one thing McCain needed. She has a solid background, good credentials, and the ideology to expand McCain's support. The Dems are cryin and McCain's campaign is flyin.

Posted by: Uuuuhhh, What? | August 30, 2008 6:00 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Sabotage. Karl Rove gave back door advice to McCain on this pick. (Yes! You're a maverick, Johnny ole boy! Palin strategy is so brilliant, I wish I could take credit for it!) It’s a wink to the neocons that he can bring down anybody who doesn’t fall in 100% in line. Rove is counting on Obama to be Jimmy Carter redux. Run a neocon controlled candidate in 2012 and stay in power for the next 20+ years. Rove is taking a dive on this one. He knows nobody can mop up Bush’s massive mess in 4 short years.

Posted by: Farmer | August 30, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I was watching it live on one of the news channels. When she spoke she just read her speech from the other day word for word.
She was just a cheer leader for Mccain. She also repeated that lie about Opposing that bridge to nowhere. This is already he sniper story like Hillary. She actually was pushing it saying they needed to push it through before they get too much opposition. Where do these people think they can just lie and get away with it? There are paper trails. There is already a clip on youtube of Ted Stevens endorsing her, the bridge to no where man himself.
Truth is, he could have picked one of the girls from "Girls Next Door " and not done any worse.
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response to: (Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:22 PM)

LOL! I'll have to check that one out. Do you have a link?
Posted by: Dr. Don Key | August 30, 2008 6:25 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

LET'S FACE IT, the biggest problem facing America and the civilized world is the energy crisis (along with climate change). It's a crisis not only because of high prices, but also it leaves us beholding to places like Russia and the Middle East.

What is it that swiftboater T. Boone Pickens say, "All our oil reserves still leaves us 83% (?) short of what we use. . . . We can drill-drill-drill but we can't drill our way out of this problem." --- AND HE'S RIGHT.

The answer is cheap sources of energy, and renewables are by far and away the best and cheapest way to go. . . . . . . The problem is T. Boone and his fellow Republicans want to slow us down. 20% renewables in ten years doesn't cut the mustard.

It should be no surprise to no one that the Republicans are into Big Oil lock, stock, and barrel after barrel after barrel. . . . . . . . With the choice of Palin, McCain has signaled not only does he intend to let the Christian radicals of the Republican Party use their "MORAL AUTHORITY" to control your private life, but also he has signaled to Big Oil that they're in the money.

With all John McCain's emphasis on experience, why then is he talking to us Americans out of both sides of his mouth?

Posted by: Coldcomfort | August 30, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

While I think Palin is a poor selection. I have noted that in your texts and other articles in the Washington Post and NY Times, no mention of the concept that the VP nominee has little effect on the success of a presidential candidate. Much was written about this with the articles on Joe Biden. Most of them would go -- Joe is a good man, but the VP doesn't effect the success of the Presidential candidate. The same is true with Palin. Why are you goes not chiming in the same way. Where is the intellectual honesty?

Posted by: frederick2 | August 30, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Denver Lady said:

I was fortunate enough to see Obama speak at Invesco Field last Thursday night. Wow, what a night!!

While he was speaking, an older woman got up out of her wheel chair and started walking!!

Then a guy standing near me pulled out a bottle of pills, opened it, and flung them into the crowd yelling, "Hallelujah, He just healed my erectile dysfunction!!

As for me, I felt nothing.


Darn it! I tried to convince my wife to let me go. Now I'm still stuck using that little blue pill.

Posted by: Benny | August 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Quoting from the article: "Palin's name doesn't appear on many vice presidential lists but if you believe that McCain needs to make a totally out of the box choice, she fits the bill. Palin, elected in 2006 on a reform platform, may well be the most popular politician in the country, and her story -- former high school basketball star and beauty queen, mother of five including a newborn with Down Syndrome -- is the sort of narrative American voters could fall in love with. Plus, picking Palin would send a message to disaffected Democratic-leaning women that McCain is paying more than lip service to the notion of changing the face of the Republican party.

Not bad, huh?"

It's worse than bad...

Palin:

1) Repeatedly abuses her governorship to fire her ex-brother-in-law, and when that would not work she fires the investigator that would not fire her ex-brother-in-law.

Used her governor's surrogates and relatives to get her way to fire her ex-brother-in-law or the investigator.

2) Believes in NO ABORTION rights for women that are raped or are victims of family incest.

3) Wants the Supreme Court to criminalize women and doctors that do abortions.

4) Wants Creationism to be taught in schools.

5) Wants to ban Stem Cell research that uses throw-away cells taken from excess unused artificial fertilization.

6) She's in big oil's pockets, does not believe in Global Warming, and does not want Polar Bears to be endangered... because it causes problems for big oil, drill, drill, drill.

Palin is the 'The Third Coming' of Bush-Cheney Big Oil 'deciders'.

Palin is an 'executive decider', just like Bushie was/is, that destroys government at the expense of the middle class and enriches oil-corporate greed.

NO WAY, NO HOW, NO MCCAIN.

Posted by: HawkFeather | August 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Just wait till Hillary tears this amateur apart. It will be a site to see and hear for the ages!

Posted by: dave | August 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

response to: (Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:22 PM)

LOL! I'll have to check that one out. Do you have a link?

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | August 30, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

All the pundits "missed it" because McCain made a gut decision. It really goes beyond a maverick move, to a crap shot. How easy is it to predict something that's unpredictable? Obviously McBane started playa hatin' during the DNC convention, and thought there was an opening for Hillary supporters and a way to offset McSame's fogeyness. If Palin were pro-choice, had won an election is solidly Blue State, etc., I'd say that she would be an asset. But a career beauty queen and moose hunter? Is that the best Repuglicans can do for number two slot?

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | August 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Mccain in introducing her today at a rally is so senile he mixed up her husbands biography with hers. He said she is an electrical worker and he couldn't get her name correct.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

response to: (Riverrat | August 30, 2008 5:29 PM)

No, trollboy. Obama did not "ignore" 18 million votes. Hillary has a 49% disapproval rating - even worse than Duhbya's. The road to winning an election is through independents' votes. First, Obama does better with Independents than Hillary does. That's one thing. Secondly, Repuglicans aren't particularly happy about McCain being on the ticket. Their first choice was Larry Craig. However, if Hillary were to be on the Dem ticket, the backlash from wingnut Repubs would have been enough to more than offset those 18 million votes she got.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | August 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse


A reporter for the Anchorage daily, Gregg Erickson, even did an online chat with the Washington Post, in which he revealed that Palin's approval rating in the state was not the much-touted 80%, but 65% and sinking -- and that among journalists who followed her it might be in the "teens." He added:

This Girl is going down like the Hindenburg. Let me tell you something. I am a former athlete, I just missed the Olympics years ago. Politics on the world stage is like sports. You have to have the goods, it can't be faked.
What are they going to do, keep her hidden till the election?
She is going to implode so fast it will be astounding.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah palin is a scary woman. Like most pro-lifers, Palin only cares about babies until they are born. Then she gives hers to someone else to raise and goes back to work.

Posted by: Sparky | August 30, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I checked out some old photos of Palin. She's definitely a looker. With McCain's being a 72-year-old cancer victim, she was obviously chosen in part as a contrast to grumpy old McCain. And everyone knows that Repuglicans would prefer women beauty queens and career librarians, to smart, strong women. It will be interested to see if there's any brains behind the beauty. Obviously Palin doesn't have a long list of achievements. Just 1.5 years ago, she was the mayor of a town with a whopping population of 8,500. It also seems that she's being investigated to lying under oath, and for abuse of power. I admit that Palin was a bold move. It remains to see if it was a smart one...both on the micro and macro level.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | August 30, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Let see if "The Fix" had the better judgment in the long run.

Posted by: Tab L. Uno from Utah | August 30, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin might get a gold star on her forehead from the Anti-Choice Crowd because she "boldly" decided to keep her baby with Down syndrome but that really does not qualify her to be Vice President.

McCain needs to wake up from his Rove-induced stupor and find a new running mate or he is really going to go down in flames this November.

Posted by: maria | August 30, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

All you need is a montage of dozens of interviews with Mccain laying out all the qualities he wants in a VP.
Then a picture of Palin. with the caption:

"What the F**K was he thinking"

This may confirm Mccain is out of his mind.
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Some of you want to talk about the judgement of John McCain picking Gov.Palin and seem to forget about Obama's judgement to ignore the fact that Hillary Clinton brought in 18 million votes to the Democratic party yet still chose Biden for his running mate.McCain didn't choose Palin for Hillary voters. He chose her for party unity.I am voting McCain/Palin.
Great job McCain!!!

Posted by: Riverrat | August 30, 2008 5:29 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Picking Palin, McCain has proved that he lacks judgement. Troopergate is going to bubble up and his people never talked to the former police cheif she fired. How does that show good judgement or temperment? It shows someone who rushes to judgement and forces the facts to what they already believe. Eight years is enough of this type of thinking.

Posted by: bradcpa | August 30, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I just keep waiting for McCain to let us in on the joke. Sarah Palin is really Tina Fey from SNL and 30 Rock doing a new reality comedy show for NBC. He can't be serious. This has to be a hoax.

Posted by: Josh | August 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how Democrats want to criticize Palin's supposed lack of "experience." So the part that wants to change Washington now says you have to be some sort of entrenched political hack to run for VP? How about her 2 years as Governor (executive experience, not just 1 of 100 like BO), 6 years as Mayor of Wasilla (executive experience and small town politics, it doesn't get much better than that), 4 years as a City Council Member, business owner, laborer, Mother, Wife, various boards, etc.

I have been hearing from more people (I work in a Customer Service Call Center) who are being so open about their support for this choice. It really seems that it has energized the base, which was one thing McCain needed. She has a solid background, good credentials, and the ideology to expand McCain's support. The Dems are cryin and McCain's campaign is flyin.

Posted by: Uuuuhhh, What? | August 30, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I just keep waiting for McCain to let us in on the joke. Sarah Palin is really Tina Fey from SNL and 30 Rock doing a new reality comedy show for NBC. He can't be serious. This has to be a hoax.

Posted by: Josh | August 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Really someone give me an honest reason why she was picked? I was totally on the fence about this election, and now I am beyond baffled. What does she bring to the party? Good looks? Compelling personal story? She truly seems like an empty suit. I find very little substantive information about her policies, except she fought corruption in Alaska politics, she is a social conservative, and she obviously agrees with John McCain. I get it McCain you need a conservative. Was she really the only or the best one? As far as corruption in politics -say hello to Washington D.C. You need a whole new definition for this town, I don't think Alaska experience is going to cut it. Also, it looks like she might have a little ethical problem of her own with an ex brother-in-law. Did he really only meet her once? What does McCain think of the VP position then, probably as much as she does. It seems like McCain has gained in fundraising with her, but he has a ton of personal money why not use that. I find it insulting that men think we will vote for them because they put a woman on the ticket.

Posted by: Leigh99 | August 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

When most of the responders here are spending more time bashing Obama rather than enthusiactically supporting Palin, that lets you know what most GOPers think of McCain's VP pick. Palin is perhaps the most inexperienced VP pick in the history of presidential politics. Country First? Change the slogan to "Pandering Politics First."

Posted by: Kevin | August 30, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Whether you like Obama or not, this picture is a riot. It's on the news stands now.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/Obama%20mad-magazine-cover.jpg

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Somebody wrote:
"Palin is nothing more than an inexperienced creationist cheerleader."

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Indeed, but one who can outrightly guarantee that religious wingnuts who think the entire United States' Ideal revolves around illegal abortions and owning lots of guns.

In that light, we have a 2004 election with a cruddy economy instead of a strong-performing economy.

The latter may put things away in favor of Obama-Biden. However, not before the wingers have their say in the matter.

Posted by: Worthy Evans | August 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Both Obama and McCain were expected to place considerable importance on the qualifications of their running mate taking over the helm should a disaster visit upon Obama (risk of assassination) and McCain (age and poor health). And they made, what is regarded as the most important decision of a presidential candidate: Obama made a wise choice in Biden with compelling credentials. And, McCain made his, call it pandering, poor judgement, or reckless, in Palin, with absolutely zero credentials to take over as the president. This does not look good for the Republicans. I am worried.

Posted by: venkat | August 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It makes perfect sense for McCain to overlook Liddy Dole and Christing Todd Whitman, to name just two, for a winner of Miss Alaska's Miss Congeniality contest. His own career was launched by celebrity in lieu of experience.

Having just been passed over for promotion, thereby ending his ambition to follow his dad and granddad into the admiralty, McCain depended, by his own account, on his celebrity power as the POW son of The Commander of the Pacific Fleet, and even more on Cindy's dad's money and connections. This all according to own biography. So he's used to depending on pretty women. Nothing wrong with that.

Trouble is Obama and Biden propose to work for America and the Republican goal is only to win, thereby stopping them from working for America and let God help us. God help us.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 30, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

seems like we've covered this one pretty well. BTW the reason the bridge to nowhere got cancelled was because CONGRESS cut the Federal portion of the funding and the State Gov. apparently didn't think it was worth soaking the oil companies for the money if the Feds wouldn't pony up.

Posted by: dch | August 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

BTW we have heard so much about this 18 million cracks in the ceiling. Few quick facts:

Democrats were the first (as always) to pick a woman for vice president wayyyyyyy back in 1984, twenty four years ago.

Hillary Clinton compared to Sarah Palin? Are you kidding me? There is no comparison. For years conservatives have pilloried Hillary Clinton as b*!&^. A supporter even called the b-word to McCain's face during the campaign and he laughed at it. Now all of a sudden conservatives want to finish Hillary Clinton's fight? Sounds so genuine.

Posted by: Michelle not in Nevada | August 30, 2008 5:27 PM

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The phonyness of Repubs saying nice things about Hill is exceeded only by dems and the media pimps being nice to Hill and Nobama being complimentary to Hill and Bill.

Till June, Obama was comparing Bill to Nixon, and jumped at any and every oppty to paint them in race and sexist colors.

As for the media pimps and HRC, even till now, Dowd and other assorted media prostitutes keep lampooning her on crazy pretexts. But now, some of those pimps are changing tunes, like Colby in WaPo today.

Unfortunately, these pimps are as transparent as a 2 cent hooker on Sunset Blvd.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

To bemused but concerned

One side will end up the winner cone November...that is unless Nader wins. What do Nader supporters think of the Palin pick. No Nader supporters left?

Posted by: Michelle not in Nevada | August 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin is nothing more than an inexperienced creationist cheerleader.


"Dermot Cole, a longtime columnist for Alaska's second largest newspaper, the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner, called McCain's choice of Palin "reckless" and questioned her credentials. "Sarah Palin's chief qualification for being elected governor was that she was not Frank Murkowski," Cole said of her enormously unpopular predecessor, who lost favor with Alaskans in part because of unpopular budget cuts. "She was not elected because she was a conservative. She was not elected because of her grasp of issues or because of her track record as the mayor of Wasilla."

Full story here:
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/29/palin-vice-presidential-candidacy-raises-eyebrows-/
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Posted by: Bush + Cheney = McCain | August 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"Except for his choice of a running mate, Obama has abosolute zero experience as a decision maker. End of story!"

Right, both Obama and McCain have had to make 1 decision, who is the best person to take their place should something happen to them. Obama picked a statesman, McCain picked Miss Wasilla.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 30, 2008 5:31 PM

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Whether Biden or Palin will turn out to be good or horrible, only time will tell.

Dems chest thumping on Cheney and choice of good VP selections - have to admit the last two picks sucked did n't they? For all the halo surrounding Gore, his two endorsements till date were pits - Lieberman in 2000, the major decision; and the Dean endorsement, to a lesser extent; Gore has n't exactly shown himself to be a good decider in picking the right people.

As for Kerry and Edwards, hmm. the less said..

The loser of the election among Palin and Biden is likely to follow a predictable path; if Palin loses, she will go back to Alaska, not heard much more of (similar to Ferraro); if Biden loses, he is going to be like Kerry, in the senate for another 20 yrs.

More difficult to predict about the winner of that race; typically, there is no such thing as a good VP (the best VPs blend with the background music and furniture); you will only if the VP pick stood out, if it turns out to be a bad one.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 30, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

It is this kind of "stuff" from the male dominated media that really drives a nail in my heart: The idea of a woman with five children -- one of whom has special needs -- would be picked (or, more importantly, want to be picked) seemed far fetched.

I am a working mother who faced the same attitude from my male peers - somehow motherhood makes any chance for equal opportunity far fetched. And, of course, my first desire should be to not work so demoting me was in my best interest.

John McCain has made a bold move and Sarah Palin's rise to the nomination is not only inspirational but a much needed reality check for this reporter and his peers.

Posted by: McCain Hillary Supporter | August 30, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Palin's willingness to take the job, makes McCain's choice doubly worrisome. Not only is his judgement in question, hers is alarmingly off base, as well.

Their partnership resembles a folie à deux, ("a madness shared by two") in which one person's delusion is transmitted to the other.

Posted by: Amy | August 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I find it funny that both sides think that McCain's pick will result in their victory - the Republicans think Palin will energize the base, appeal to regular people, etc, and the Democrats think McCain just made the stupidest decision, assuming that the American people would not see through such an obvious ploy to win the election with no regard whatsoever for the governing of the nation. Unfortunately, I am a Democrat who is worried, because the American people have already showed that they vote on their gut reaction to the candidates rather than real consideration of how their vote will affect their lives. Four years ago, the writing was so clear about all the issues we face today (Iraq, the economy), yet people still preferred Dubya and his disastrous policies, his quashing of the Constitution, etc. .

Posted by: bemused but concerned | August 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

dano,

By now u shd know somethings, ok most things are beyond your intellectual grasp.

Just stick to reading The Pet Goat with GWB again and again.

Posted by: Tyrone | August 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Chris, Perhaps the reason that you and others did not consider Sarah Palin seriously is because nobody in their right mind would pick as a potential President of 330 million Americans and leader of the Free World, able to step in on zero notice, a woman whose totality of experience consists of being mayor of a small town in Alaska for a couple of years followed by being partway through her first term as governor of a state where almost nobody lives. Period. I wouldn't want Kay Bailey Hutchinson as VP, any more than I would want John McCain to be president. But at least she is competent and would be a formidable competitor. Are you really suggesting that if she thought the choice was between her and Sarah Palin, she would NOT put the interests of the country ahead of her own desires?

Add to this the fact that almost as soon as she became governor, she has notoriously misused the power of her office for personal payback (analogous to the way that the Bush-Cheney-Rove regime sabotaged our ability to track Iranian weapons of mass destruction in order to attack Joe Wilson). This is even separate from her politics.

Selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate -- or allowing others to select her for him (from the reports, McCain wouldn't know her if she wore a nametag) says a LOT about John McCain's judgement -- none of it good.

Posted by: EdA | August 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"Except for his choice of a running mate, Obama has abosolute zero experience as a decision maker. End of story!"

Right, both Obama and McCain have had to make 1 decision, who is the best person to take their place should something happen to them. Obama picked a statesman, McCain picked Miss Wasilla.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | August 30, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I guess that when you are a professional scooper, you risk ending up an in print pooper-scooper. Palin is full of petty liabilities that will muddle her petty assets, especially in light of her husband-- shades of Bill Clinton whose loyal Ceasar's wife lost the nominatin rather than bring his antics to a halt. Mr Palin is a small time meddler marriage-he-man and she is not used to giveing a governatorial official "no" to him, so he has interfered with, personalized and endangered her career. McCain was aware of this. The real trouble was that the big guys all got cold feet, thinking McCain would looooooossssseeee big time. Even Lieberman, given that McCain is the neocons' creature that's pretty funny, ran off to Long Island to escape ending up once more as a losing VP candidate, this time on the other party, ending his Dem career.

You can paint the Gov from Alaska anyway you want. But fact is people go to Hawaii for vacation while Alaska is where you go when you're desperate for a tough guy job. All the ice-truck shows on the History Channel will not change the political remotenenss of this lady from nowhere. And we will soon see all these liabilities take attention off McCain and his message....Pllleeeaaassseee, don't always go with tips from "insiders" in fear that if you don't mention them or glorify them you'll get no more...It's time for Matt Drudge-ville to end!

Posted by: DE Teodoru | August 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

BTW we have heard so much about this 18 million cracks in the ceiling. Few quick facts:

Democrats were the first (as always) to pick a woman for vice president wayyyyyyy back in 1984, twenty four years ago.

Hillary Clinton compared to Sarah Palin? Are you kidding me? There is no comparison. For years conservatives have pilloried Hillary Clinton as b*!&^. A supporter even called the b-word to McCain's face during the campaign and he laughed at it. Now all of a sudden conservatives want to finish Hillary Clinton's fight? Sounds so genuine.

Posted by: Michelle not in Nevada | August 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I was fortunate enough to see Obama speak at Invesco Field last Thursday night. Wow, what a night!!

While he was speaking, an older woman got up out of her wheel chair and started walking!!

Then a guy standing near me pulled out a bottle of pills, opened it, and flung them into the crowd yelling, "Hallelujah, He just healed my erectile dysfunction!!

As for me, I felt nothing.

Posted by: Denver Lady | August 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Why Sarah Palin? Rachael Ray turned him down.

Posted by: Michelle | August 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

So what are you saying, Chris? That your 2012 Veepstakes Line will have 20 names on it listed alphabetically?

Posted by: Optimyst | August 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Not only that, Richard, she wants Creationism taught in public schools, she is against stem cell research, and--get this--her father was a SCIENCE teacher.

Some wires got crossed somewhere.

Posted by: God Help Us Indeed | August 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Fix: It is time for you to face the hypocrisy of your ways. Legions of your admiring readers would line up to forgive your lack of clairvoyance, were such clairvoyance not the very requirement for obtaining an official Fix T-shirt. For those of us who are not blessed with such predictive skills, can't such a coveted garment be obtained in any other way like, say, money?

Posted by: Tom | August 30, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

She's a creationist? God help us!

Posted by: Richard | August 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Question for MNobserver

Your analysis seemed so "fair and balanced." You must get your news from FOX News - the most trusted news source in the world!

Posted by: Michelle not in Nevada | August 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

She pales-in comparison to Biden!

Posted by: amolison | August 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

wow - yes, she cancelled the bridge to nowhere, but refused to give the taxpayers back the money that had been appropriated for the project.

Posted by: ilima1 | August 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Reva - what's your point?

That Governors always make better presidents than Senators? That Senators aren't qualified to be president? Guess you're a big fan of Jimmy Carter? And of course we know what a great decider Bush is.

This over-simplification is exactly the problem. Lot's of partisan ranting that doesn't add up to anything.

Posted by: buck | August 30, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Sarah Palin firmly put her foot in her mouth during her debut speech. She violated the first premise of operational security for military families. She announced to a world-wide audience her son’s specific unit, his MOS (military occupational specialty) and the specific dates of the unit’s deployment. This just is not done, ever. If I were the commander of that unit I would be screaming to the Pentagon to change the deployment and I would transfer that boy as far away from my unit as I could.

BTW, I am a military father and I did command an Air Force squadron during the Vietnam War.

Sarah Palin does not understand national security and she does not understand the needs of our great military.

Posted by: Loose Lips Sink Ships | August 30, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Quick Facts

Sarah Palin - Governor of Alaska less than two years

Alaska population - 700,000

Foreign Policy Experience - Signed a business deal with a Canadian company to work in Alaska.

Posted by: Michelle not in Nevada | August 30, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

It is easy to see why he selected Palin. He wants to pay her 70 cents on the dollar and she is willing to accept it. LOL!!! Seriously, he had to choose someone that has no sense of pride to go along with his anti-woman voting history. Thus he passed over all the women in his own party with far more experience and chose a young, unknown, that would be a yes person and go along with all his crazy ideas and policies.

Posted by: Shannon | August 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

MNobserver wrote:

Maybe [sex] sold McCain too. Did you notice how often he was fiddling with his wedding ring while she was talking?
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You are absolutely right! I thought I was the only one who noticed McCain's onanistic attention to his wedding ring and finger, often while he was staring directly at Palin's butt as she gave her speech.

All throughout Palin's speech McCain seemed to be digitally masturbating his ring finger, his own wife several feet away!! A real "risk-taker," I agree.

Go look at the video, folks. This was priceless!

Posted by: NMwatcher | August 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Granted, she was chosen because she's a woman, but that fact does not negate the more important fact that she has as much experience as Obama, and more actual executive experience (to now use serving in the Executive branch) than anyone else on either ticket.

You shouldn't vote for her just because she's a woman, but Democrats have no right to implicitly demand that you vote against her because of that fact either.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | August 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Question for Tom in Nevada

If Barack Obama has been running for government since he got into the Senate, has been running for president officially 19 months ago, doesn't that mean he is more qualified to be president? I mean you dont run for office without learning on the way, you don't win your party's nomination without knowing the issues? You can argue that Palin was chosen for her conservative credentials, but trying to say that she is the most qualified is an argument that most people that not in Nevada are not going to buy it.

Posted by: Michelle not in Nevada | August 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It had an imperial setting; he strode through the great Doric Columns, with all the projections of America’s imperial power. For his message of supposedly of peace, it had all the symbolism of America’s imperial grandeur. For a candidate whose candidacy began by denouncement of Iraq war, it was an ironic backdrop. For a man who said his money came from small contributors, the setting itself reminded you of Cesar’s Coliseum. You would have expected Obama to wear some sort of crown. It was in some ways reminded you of a Lani Rosenthal’s documentary of Adolf Hitler’s political setting! It was hugely pompous and thoroughly indulgent and imperial event for a man who said that “He felt our pain!” To add to absurdity of the moment Sen. Obama went on to tell the story of how he was raised by a single mother, who was abandoned by his father in his infancy. He insisted he is one of us! Yet, setting aside the pomp and circumstance and all the imperialistic symbols and settings, Obama's acceptance speech was on the whole a disappointment; especially after all the build-up and climax I think fizzled. His performance was not out of the ordinary. It was OK, or was it? Certainly not a great political speech by any measure! In that sense Obama failed to seize the chance. His speech did not grab me held me captive like Bill or Hillary Clinton’s speeches did. Obama gave too much of details, made too many promises--we all have heard all of it before. He was chasing John McCain like in a Tom and Jerry cartoon. There was no poetry or passion that transformed his words into gems. Obama's speech was too long. He tried to cover too much and by doing that he sacrificed the magic of the moment. He failed to rise up to the historic moment he talked about. What was needed at the moment was political poetry. Obama failed to recognize that. So he loses the very first chance he had to hit a home run! He talks, but he fails, but the media is trying to tell us that he made a great speech; but he didn't. He was lost and meandering at times, repeating himself over, bogged down in details; delivery of the speech lacks sincere precision or purpose. He could have taken a lesson or two form Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Thus the best parts of the convention still belonged to Sen. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton. Even when the media people like your newspaper ignores them, Hillary Clinton gave a truly brilliant speech. Bill Clinton delivered a master performance. David Brooks of the New York Times and PBS Lehrer News Hour rated Obama speech "Underwhelming..." Obama perhaps did not fumble. Or did he? He missed a historical opportunity to be really great! He did not rise to the occasion he was presented with. So that's why on the whole, all things considered it was indeed, disappointing! The true triumph of the DNC convention goes to Sen. Hillary Clinton, for her grace under pressure and her tenacity in defeat. Hillary Clinton gave a brilliant speech and rose to the occasion. Now, that’s genius… When Bill Clinton in his speech an evening before to the Democratic convention said, “Other nations are impressed by our power of example than our example of power…” Those few words carried more power and political poetry than Obama’s entire acceptance speech…But we are told to ignore truth and substance by our media, like in the past. Therefore we are bound to face the consequences of our ignorance and neglect as our media takes us over the cliff, once again...

Posted by: elytis | August 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
You did not miss this. It was never there. Something has to be there before you (or anyone else) can report on it! McCain met her a grand total of twice, the second time the night before the announcement. And my bet is she has not been properly vetted. Further, this may (or may not, depending on what shows up once the vetting really starts) be a situation where the campaign would have been much better off letting the press do some vetting for them. This seems to be very much like the old days where, the week before the convention or the week of the convention, the candidate and several close advisors of the candidate made a decision about a running mate, having not given it serious consideration (who does this person attract to vote for the ticket— are they small state, large state, liberal, conservative, fix a weakness etc.) except on broad political terms beforehand. Some of those decisions were really, really good (Harry S. Truman). Some were really, really bad (Thomas Eagleton).

Posted by: Joe | August 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"First, the news that her son -- the fifth child for the family -- had been born with Down Syndrome in April. The idea of a woman with five children -- one of whom has special needs -- who also happened to be the governor of a state would be picked (or, more importantly, want to be picked) seemed far fetched."

Wow, this is really sexist. Replace "her" with "his" and "woman" with "man" and see how that looks!

Posted by: ver | August 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama's experience
- 11 years in Illinois senate

***where he voted "present" 135 times.

- 4 years in US Senate (including time spent leading one of the most massive and successful campaigns in US history)

***well it's actually 2 1/2 years, roughly 100 days before he started campaigning.

- serves on Foreign Relations Committee

***Chairman of the Sub-Committee where he has not called his sub comittee in for one meeting yet. Repeat...with all the issues in the world.....Chairman of a subcomitee and has not had one meeting.

- believed to be ready to serve as president by 10s of millions of Americans

***Millions more that think he associates with terrorists ( Bill Ayers ) the guy's house where Obama launched his campaign from.
Posted by: MNobserver | August 30, 2008 5:00 PM


Wow. you're right. That is one impressively ( poor ) record.

Posted by: dano | August 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Dano. If you're not doing parody, then you truly are wacko. End of attempts to engage your arguments.

Posted by: MNobserver | August 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

By the way Dano, thanks for clearing things up for Mark. See, I can work bipartisan too!

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was not picked because she is a woman, she was picked because she is the most qualified person ever to be nominated for Vice President in the history of America. She can take on Iran's Ahm-a-not-job, Russia's Putin, and all the complexities of foreign affairs. Why, you ask? Because she knows how to hunt Moose.

See you libs think we need people who think, and have experience and all that crap to be in government. We don't and that is why George Bush has been the best president ever in or nation's history. But I know you dont see that, you are too busy attacking Palin. America is better off today than we were under Clinton and it will get even better when McCain/Palin are in power!

Posted by: dano | August 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

What difference does it make why McCain chose Sarah Palin? He is out to win and I got to admit he made a very good choice that will bring him that win in November.

You can debate all you want about her experience. If people take a liking to a candidate, they will vote for that candidate.

She is the powerhouse the repubs have been looking for. I liked Hillary a lot and would have voted democratic. With Palin in the race, it's a new ball game.

Strong. Intelligent. And her looks won't hurt, either.

Posted by: Allison | August 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Dano, checked out the sight, very interesting. I was wondering if maybe you could give me a link with those same comparisons, maybe from an independent site, you know, not a Republican site? I understand you wanted to hear good things, and if it's the truth, great. But really, that's like me saying "hey, I heard all good things about Obama on his website". Keep up with the party message though, you are doing good!

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I love to read the comments from the hyped up liberal fringe. They're worried. Sarah Palin is a hard working mom that's an excutive of a state government who has a solid record of fiscal and reform achievement. Who doesn't think the women (and men) of America aren't going to take note come Nov 4. Sorry, Barack's been running for president since he got in the Senate. He has no major legislation to his credit. Debating foreign policy and taking a trip to foreign countries doesn't count as accomplishment either. His state senate experience is notable for its nothingness. And as a life long smoker until recently his health is probably more problematic than McCain's.

Posted by: Tom in Nevada | August 30, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MarkinNY | August 30, 2008 4:58 PM

Mark, looks like you showed your STUPIDITY. You gotta read first. "Wow" is on your side you big nitwit. Go back and ..reeaaddd slooowww.

Your post showed nothing but your own stupidity.

Posted by: dano | August 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

How did we miss it Chris? Because we were all sure that McCain who has built his campaign as the most experienced candidate and that experience matters against McCain would not pick a 44-year old former beauty pageant contestant who was a city councilperson and mayor of city in Alaska of 6000 people who became Governor in January 2007 with no national security credentials with whom he has met only once.

Unbelieveable political calculation that puts getting elected over country first.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 30, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Dano, you wrote:

"I think it's wonderful that the Obama campaign feels it necessary to compare their Pres pick with our VP"

Yes. Obama supporters actually do love the opportunity to make the comparison because McCain has hypocritically and stupidly talked about how the first and only qualification for his VP would be his/her readiness to be president.

If Republicans think Obama is "not ready to lead" as president, then she's not ready to lead a tea party.

Again, a review of qualifications...

Palin's experience
- 2 years as mayor of a small town (4-9 thousand, depending on reports)
- 20 months as governor of Alaska (#47 in population)
- hasn't thought much about what to do in Iraq
- doesn't know what the vice president does
- blank slate for all neocons and conservative wackos in DC
- believed to be ready to serve as president by 1 man--John McCain

Obama's experience
- 11 years in Illinois senate
- 4 years in US Senate (including time spent leading one of the most massive and successful campaigns in US history)
- serves on Foreign Relations Committee
- believed to be ready to serve as president by 10s of millions of Americans

Posted by: MNobserver | August 30, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to take sides here, but just wondering out loud what it is about humans that makes us view every fact or information in a way that fits with out existing beliefs.

Imagine what Karl Rove said here. What is he going to say about Gov. Palin now?


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/10/ftn/main4336134.shtml

Karl Rove: “"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished, I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America.So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?"

You guys can fight and call each other all the names you want, but I just want to see, may be just for the fun of it, how Karl Rove is going to spin this one.

Posted by: Tyrone | August 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, by your post one is likely to infer that you will vote for McCain. It is your STUPIDITY that wows me. Only a person of limited mental ability could wish to continue the last eight years in which the WORST president BAR NONE in US history has held office, trashing the constitution, the economy, doing nothing about energy, trashing our schools and our science, our national parks, ONLY a person of LIMITED INTELLECTUAL ability would want to continue more of the same with McCain, who voted with Bush over ninety per cent of the time. Again, only a person of LIMITED intellectual ability. There is a saying that it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt. For all those who post in support of McCain and/or Bush (is there any real difference?) do not care at all for this country and have certainly removed all doubt.

Posted by: MarkinNY | August 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What makes this selection so unbelievable (and it would be during any election) is how the McCain campaign made "experience" it's number one argument. Then it's exposed even he doesn't believe it.

This argument that two years as governor of Alaska makes you presidential material is for Saturday Night Live and paid Republican bloggers. I'm from Colorado and when two-year governor Bill Ritter's name got mentioned, we looked at each other and said, "Not if you want my vote." Decent guy, may be a great polittian in time, but two years as governor here does not make you ready to be President of the United States.

You can name-call all you want, but there is no one on the planet who honestly believes Sarah Palin is ready to be President right now. She may help win an election--that will be determined--but don't tell any intelligent person that the only reason she's on the ticket is because she's the best person to be president if John McCain can't complete his term.

Posted by: Jackson | August 30, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Ask Palin how she feels about terrorists. Oh wait, she already said she's 'not that interested'. Good thing she's running for V.P., huh?

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Great, so she realized Republicans and oil companies are crooked! Why is she running on McCain's ticket? Why does McCain think she is the best person to help him run our country? He just picked a woman to pick a woman. Everyone knew Alaskan Republicans had corruption problems. How is her windfall profit tax on oil going to work in Washington, when McCain wants no part of it?

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand why Obama launched his state senate campaign and is frinds with Bill Ayers... a terrorist that bombed the Pentagon.

why would a patriot seek out the help of a terrorist.

Can any of you Libs explain that?

Posted by: dano | August 30, 2008 4:40 PM

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What else do you expect from someone whose spiritual adviser/adopted father wants God to damn America.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin seems unique among all individuals who have ever run for either president or vice president in that she apparently spent virtually NO time considering whether or not she even WANTED to be president prior to being offered the chance to run for higher office. Mr. McCain had contact with her on TWO occasions prior to selecting her? Does the country need as (potentially) president a person who has never even THOUGHT about what the job entails?

Posted by: ptr44 | August 30, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow--you're right. you are slow.

This will make easier for you non thinking nitwits who follow with glazed over eyes.

Here is an excellent comparison between our number 2, and your number 1.

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/30/tale-of-the-tape-sarah-palin-vs-barack-obam/

I think it's wonderful that the Obama campaign feels it necessary to compare their Pres pick with our VP.

4 pt convention bounce. Big "Wow"

Posted by: Dano | August 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

It really is hard to see how this will help the Republicans. Of all the conservatives McCain could have chosen there so many with better credentials than Palin.
She was chosen so that McCain could point to a woman on the ticket in the hope that women who voted for Hillary Clinton would be lured over. Palin made this clear by a direct appeal to those women in her comments at the announcement.
It's a desperate choice, and once that's unlikely to work with Clinton voters or the independents the Republicans need to attract.

Posted by: Gordon Blatch | August 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The Fix should not feel bad about its Veepstakes analysis. The Fix was right. McCain should have read The Fix!

http://askaboutpolitics.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Sunday | August 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

A smattering of reactions to the Palin pick, collected from Alaskans on the following blog...

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/

Notice in particular some of the reactions from her fellow Republicans.

Alaska State Senate President Lyda Green (R): “She’s not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? Look at what she’s done to this state. What would she do to the nation?” (Green is from Palin’s home town of Wasilla.)

Alaska House Speaker John Harris (R): “She’s old enough. She’s a U.S. citizen.”

Alaska Democratic Party Chair Patti Higgins: “In this very competitive election for them to go pick somebody who is … under a cloud of suspicion, who is under investigation for abuse of power. It just sounds like a pretty slow start to me. We need a vice president who can step in if, God forbid, something happened to John McCain. I don’t think she’s someone who is ready for that 3 a.m. phone call.”

Randy Ruedrich, Alaska Republican Party Chair: Not giving interviews.

Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg: “a mixed set of emotions, kind of an odd sense of Alaska nationalism or pride. This is like watching a moon landing or something. It’s just something you don’t expect to see very often. It’s wonderful. It was an emotional thing to see the governor walk out with her family and I say, wow, I work for her.”

Indicted Alaska Sr. Senator Ted Stevens (R): “it’s a great day for the nation and Alaskans.”

Andrew Halcro, local blogger who ran against Palin for governor: “This shocking choice says more about McCain’s desperation than it does about Palin’s qualifications”.

Alaska State Representative Mike Doogan (D): “Either Sarah Palin has talents and skills we were not aware of”, or “John McCain fell down and hit his head”. He also called the prospect of Palin potentially needing to take over as President”pretty scary.”

Posted by: MNobserver | August 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Reva

You should learn some manners. Namecalling undermines any argument you might make.

The big point here is not whether she has more or less experience than Obama.

The point is that McCain's campaign has been trying to say that Obama does not have the experience, and yet he puts someone next in line who has less experience (this point can be argued but I won't here. She certainly does not have more experience despite what you spin.) So when do we start to believe what John McCain says? He spends the last couple of months making this claim of Obama, and now he seems to say it is not really all that important. This is what many of us mean when we say McCain is not a maverick, but just another politician doing whatever he can to be elected.

His whole campaign has been about experience and now he will have to drop that and claim his campaign is about reform?

This is another example of the Republicans always selecting someone with almost no intellectual depth (Pres Bush is probably one of the least intellectually curious presidents we have ever had. McCain will challenge him and there is nothing in Palin's background to indicate any kind of intellectual depth).

Posted by: Brad | August 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand why Obama launched his state senate campaign and is frinds with Bill Ayers... a terrorist that bombed the Pentagon.

why would a patriot seek out the help of a terrorist.

Can any of you Libs explain that?

Posted by: dano | August 30, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm a little slow. What are the 'many' good-government things she has done? How does 16 months as Governor, and some time as mayor of a town with 7,000 pop., add up to 8 years in state Senate and 3 years in the Senate, and a Harvard law degree? But really, could you tell me the 'many' things she's done? I'm interested to know.

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 4:08 PM

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wow, you are the slowest doorknob I have ever seen. Infact, you are a dead-on moron.

Here are the good-government things she has done:

As an Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest. After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail. Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.

Took on a sitting republican governor (Murkowski) because his government was corrupt. Beat him. Then she auctioned off his private jet on eBay and fired his personal chef.

Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded 35 appointments made by Murkowski in the last hours of his administration, including that of his former chief of staff James "Jim" Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority. Clark later pleaded guilty to conspiring with a defunct oil-field-services company to channel money into Frank Murkowski's re-election campaign.

She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings. This basically made her enemy number 1 of entrenched power brokers.

YEAH, ALL THIS WHEN OBAMA WAS SAYING PRESENT 130 F*ING TIMES IN THE STATE SENATE TO BE NICE TO EVERYONE.

She also helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits. Palin has announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.

In response to high oil and gas prices, and the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates. She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she sent Alaskans $1,200 directly, paid for from the windfall surplus the state is getting because of the high oil prices.

Shortly after becoming governor, Palin canceled a contract for the construction of an 11-mile (18-kilometer) gravel road outside Juneau to a mine. This reversed a decision made in the closing days of the Murkowski Administration.

In June 2007, Palin used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237 million in cuts represented over 300 local wasteful projects, and reduced the construction budget to nearly $1.6 billion.

She canceled the Bridge to Nowhere.


Posted by: wow, your stupidity wow's me. | August 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Sad to say,even the MALE VP contenders had REFUSED MC-CAIN - McCain was the "last man standing" after the South Carolina Primary - Guiliani did the rest of the dirty work...
Voila...history????

Posted by: joanzkdbc | August 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

You Libs got big problems with Palin.

Can you feel it slippin away?

Saw a recent interview of her with that Maria B. babe on CNBC last night. Palin has such command of the Energy issue and what needs to be done. eloquent. thoughtful. talks off the cuff about all the issues with such command.

350 spending vetos.

obama never saw a spending increase he didn't like.

rebate checks back to AK citizens for $1200 becuase the taxaes collected were too much, so she gave it back!

"the taxpayers know how to spend this better than the government does"

This is a true conservative in the Reagan mold.

Evanagelicals are ecstatic, organizing and lining up to ramp up this campaign up to ensure McCain gets elected.

when you hear her speak....i'm tellin you, you will see how out of touch Bama, Biden and Washington is out of touch

Posted by: Dano | August 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Some of you are missing the point. For John McCain to campaign on Islamic Terrorist and Natl Security as the major issue we face, and for him to then appoint someone who has so little experience in this realm, he has just removed any option for him to make this argument. If he really believes this, how cynical to select someone who is not even close to meeting the standard to be next in line. Can you really see her as President if McCain were to be unable to fulfill his presidency? Can you see her talking with heads of state in Iran, N. Korea, Russia? He had other woman to go to who are much more experienced. This is a cyncial choice. He has only met her once?

This will backfire on him.

Posted by: Brad | August 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Neve, you are an idiot!

Obama has had a total of about 145 actual days in the Senate (do the math). Senators only cast votes (when they show up) and participate in debates. What else do they do??
Governors make DECISIONS every day. They don't sit around and debate things - they have to decide! That's their job.

Except for his choice of a running mate, Obama has abosolute zero experience as a decision maker. End of story!

Posted by: Reva | August 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I get it!
PTA and City council = Congress and Senate.
Mayor of a town of 6500 = Military and foreign policy experience.
Less than 2 years of being goveror of Alaska (a state with huge budget surpluses due to oil wealth) = Administrative experience.
Oh yes! this is the Republican Hillary Clinton.
BTW Obama has 14 years of legislative experience, taught Constitutional Law, has run a brilliant electon campaign and has access to a broad array of knowledgable advisors so don't try to tell me Sarah Palin is somehow his equal.

Posted by: TJ in Utah | August 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I am delighted he picked Palin.

It shows once again McCain is out of touch, sexist and senile. After the dust settles, this foolish choice will boost Obama's numbers significantly.

The Fix couldn't help but not drop her off its list. You assumed McCain wants to win, as well as assumed the VP would not want to be considered roadkill by the extremely more intelligent Obama-Biden ticket.

By the time of the RNC convention, her luster will have worn off and she'll have to start answering REAL questions. Gee...what does a vice president do...?

Posted by: Captain John | August 30, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

EPA. You're correct.

Posted by: MNobserver | August 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm speechless. If McCain wins, we deserve it. There are not too many choices and we are not very smart on politics.

Posted by: Kathy9 | August 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Christine Whitman never worked for the Energy department she was head of the EPA in Bush's first term.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Better yet, who is John McCain? Or maybe, who was John McCain? This should be an interesting adventure in government. Imagine the possibilities. UN Ambassador: Don Imus. Secretary of Defense: Bill Kristol (or Billy Crystal, McGoo won't be able to tell the difference). Secretary of Education: Pat Robertson. Secretary of State: Joe Lieberman. Administrator of the Food and Drug Administion: Tom Cruise. Attorney General: Scooter Libby. Secretary of the Treasury: Phil Gramm. National Security Advisor: Fox News.

Posted by: maxfli | August 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

In what universe is Palin is more experienced than Obama. He has been in the trenches debating foreign policy issues with the formidable likes of Clinton, Biden, and Edwards for two years now. He has been on the Senate foreign relations committee, has had access to critical classified information and has had discussions with Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Isreal, France, Germany and Great Briton. Case closed on the GOP's argument that he is not READY. Sorry. Game, set, match.

Posted by: Neve | August 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Last night on Larry King, James Carville stated that Palin believed in creationism and was against abortion even cases of rape and incest. Is this true?

If any of it is true Hillary voters and independants will go running I hope the McCain campaign vetted Palin as thouroughly as the media will.

Posted by: Patrick | August 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Rosie wrote:

"Sex sells"

Maybe it sold McCain too. Did you notice how often he was fiddling with his wedding ring while she was talking?

Posted by: MNobserver | August 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't feel abashed, The Fix. The choice is preposterous. The poster who said everybody else turned it down is right. I am sure McCain (anxious for the woman gimmick) asked Kay Bailey Hutchison and she said no, she wants to be Governor of Texas and not roadkill.

You did your best. You assumed he wanted someone who could be President if he had trouble. Wrong call, but no blame adheres.

Posted by: Prozrenie | August 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"First, she has young children."

I luv ya, Chris, but how can this possibly be a factor for Hutchinson and not Palin?

Palin has a 4-MONTH old disabled baby who will need intensive, time consuming therapy to avoid the most serious aspect of its condition.

This boat don't float.

Posted by: RealCalGal | August 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Former National Chairman of the Democratic National Committee Don Fowler.

http://beltwayblips.com/video/foul_don_fowler_amused_by_new_orleans_hurricane/

What a horrible distasteful comment by the former DNC Chairman.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN was another option that was never talked about.

A former governor, Sec. of Energy Dept. She would have been unquestionably experience. She may be the most experienced Republican woman of all next to Hutchinson.

She did work for Bush in his first term in Energy, but was kicked out by Cheney because she didn't toe the line. Not the worst thing to happen to you, if McCain wanted a little separation from Bush.

Olympia Snowe was another option--but of course far too moderate to please the conservative extremists who got their way with Palin.

Posted by: MNobserver | August 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

She's good looking, intelligent, and very likable. The media won't be able to stay away from her.

Sex sells - and it gets elected, too!

Go Sarah!!!

Posted by: Rosie | August 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

to 'you know it's true', please explain how. I understand since you said it, it must be true. But maybe you can explain it to those that won't believe something just cause someone said it in a blog comment.

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

What's insulting is picking a woman just to pick a woman. What else is insulting is that you believe he picked her for any other reason then to boost his campaign. It's insulting to the education level in our country.

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Palin has more experience than Obama.

FACT.

Posted by: You know it's true | August 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm a little slow. What are the 'many' good-government things she has done? How does 16 months as Governor, and some time as mayor of a town with 7,000 pop., add up to 8 years in state Senate and 3 years in the Senate, and a Harvard law degree? But really, could you tell me the 'many' things she's done? I'm interested to know.

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Obama volunteers who keep posting on this board about how "insulted!" you are that McCain would invite a woman to be his vice-presidential running mate. You sound silly.

First, many woman (like my mom) are pro-life and welcome the choice for that reason alone.

Second, if you want the world to believe, as I do, that women have the ability to do ANYTHING that men can do, then why not admit that one of them can run as a Republican vice-presidential nominee? That's not insulting. It's equality.

Posted by: John | August 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention her education is a B.A. in journalism. Perfect for the Republican party! You know how they love the media. That's why the only discussion so far about this pick is how it effects his campaign, not how she will help him lead our nation.

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I like Palin. That doesn't mean I'm going to vote for her (I'm still deciding), but the Obama campaign's canard that she is inexperienced doesn't hold water next to his background, considering the many good-government things she has accomplished. Frankly, I think the huge outpouring of anti-Palin invective from them smacks of desperation. I don't like Palin's views on climate change, but that is one of the major things that attracts me to McCain (in particular, I agree with McCain against the democrats that the U.S. needs to revive nuclear if we are to stop global warming).

Palin is a brilliant choice for McCain. A LOT of independents will be impressed by her. I'm one of them.

Posted by: John | August 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So McCain thinks disaffected Hillary supporters will line up to vote for McCain because of Palin? That is insulting to women. It would be the same as McCain thinking African-Americans would vote for him if he put Clarence Thomas on the ticket. Inexperienced Palin will be given a bike with training wheels held by handlers accompanying her into red states until she is capable to face the big bad press and voters in purple or blue states - not very helpful if she goes to Ohio and Michigan for the first time in late October.

Posted by: Most women are not stupid | August 30, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

And all this time, McCain has been accusing Obama of decisions made just to win an election. Now he chooses his V.P., just to win an election. Seriously, does John McCain think, that out of everybody in the country, she could lead our nation, should something happen to him? Is that his judgment? He had only met her once before this pick, and it wasn't even to talk about the election! How does he know what she thinks, how she feels our government should lead? What does she do besides help McCain pick up some uneducated votes? Does McCain really think women are stupid, and will vote for a woman, regardless of the kind of person she is, or her beliefs? What are her plans if she makes it to the White House with McCain? At least he found someone that won't question him, just 'yes sir, of course Mr. President, whatever you say'. Just what we need in the White House, right. This campaign just went from sad to ridiculous!

Posted by: wow | August 30, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Chris & Company, you missed this pick because, unlike Mr. McCain, you were thinking rationally. His reasoning 5 months his primary win (3 more than Mr. Obama whom he accuses as inexperienced) is that 300 MILLION FOLKS, SUPERPOWER and WORLD'S LARGEST ECONOMY = POKER CHIP. he will gamble his first executive decision for the sake of winning an election (debatable after this) against the readiness of the person to assume the tonnage of the office of President. He doesn't get it.

Posted by: Xavier | August 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The other VP candidates turned McCain down. Hard as that may be to believe, but he selected her, because no one else wanted it.

Posted by: frederick2 | August 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think no one thought McCain would make such a crazy choice. It really appears this woman hasn't been vetted at all. She didn't want the job (calling it an impossibility not long ago).

Obama may have a lack of experience, but he has proven himself in other ways, and her so-called "executive" experience is so thin that it isn't convincing people. Her "model of integrity" image is seriously tarnished by her claims that she didn't know that her office was making multiple phone calls trying to get her brother in law fired, and that she fired the guy who wouldn't fire the brother in law for completley unrelated reasons. Not only that, it turns out that she didn't return the "bridge to nowhere" money as she claimed yesterday, she actually kept it and just decided to use it on other projects.

What a mess.

Posted by: Fairfield, CT | August 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza ruled out Hutchinson because she's been saying for the past 2 years that she wants to run for TX governor, and because she's close to Bush.

I'm still scratching my head over McCain picking Palin. Maybe he thought he was picking MICHAEL Palin to lock up the Monty Python voters? LOL

Posted by: NoVA Dem | August 30, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

yeah, because its not like barack obama has young children. and chelsea wasn't a young child when bill clinton ran, i suppose...

Posted by: ad369 | August 30, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

You ruled out Hutchinson because "she had young children"? Because having children disqualifies you from public office?

Posted by: Huh | August 30, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

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