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Hillary's Haul

The $27 million Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) collected over the last three months -- $22 million of which can be spent in the primary -- installs her at the head of the presidential pack when it comes to cash collecting and reinforces the idea that she is the solid frontrunner in the race.

Unlike the first two quarters, Clinton kept her numbers closely guarded; no estimates leaked out. Even after Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) announced yesterday that he had raised $20 million ($19 million in primary cash) the Clinton campaign uttered not a peep.

Then came an e-mail this morning from Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle touting the $27 million total -- "substantially more than any other candidate in the race," Doyle wrote -- and with a "personal" note from Clinton included that read: "I truly appreciate everything you do for my campaign. Your support has made the difference and I'm so grateful for it." (A nice touch.)

Amid all the excitement, let's put Clinton's numbers in context.

The reality is that Clinton's $22 million is not substantially more than Obama's $19 million. And Clinton's $72.6 million raised in primary money is still less than the $74.9 million Obama has raised. (Obama spokesman Bill Burton offered this up in the immediate aftermath of the release of Clinton's money numbers: "We have raised a historic $74.9 million in dollars available for primary spending, without transferring one cent from any other campaign fund and with no money from federal lobbyists or PACs." Who could he be talking about?)

And, neither Clinton nor Obama will lose this campaign for lack of resources. Both are now positioned to spend tens of millions in the four early voting stats where the nomination will almost certainly be decided. And, with former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) now taking public financing, it's clear that financially at least this is a two horse race.

On the other hand, the optics of Clinton outraising Obama in primary cash for the first time in this race at the exact same time when the Washington establishment appears to be coalescing behind her and the vast majority of state and national polling shows her widening her lead will almost certainly play into the "Clinton as inevitable nominee" narrative.

That story line is a dangerous one for Obama as he embarks on his four-day "Judgment and Experience" tour through Iowa, seeking to highlight the five-year anniversary of his initial speech in opposition to the use of force resolution in Iraq. (It's not a coincidence the Clinton numbers came out the same day the Obama swing started -- effectively stepping on what could have been a big day of coverage for the Illinois Senator.) Obama is fighting to show that he is still on track to beat Clinton and that her nomination is anything but inevitable.

The confluence of fundraising, money and establishment support could well create a self-fulfilling prophecy for Clinton especially among donors nationwide and activists in early states. If she looks like the nominee, she's raising the most money of late and she's ahead in most polling she must be the nominee, right?

Obama needs to push back and push back quickly on that logic -- perhaps with the aid of another poll or two like the Newsweek Iowa survey that showed him leading the pack among likely caucus goers.

Today, however, is Clinton's day.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 2, 2007; 10:56 AM ET
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There is no other better candidate then Sen.Hillary Clinton to become our next president of United States of America.

She's a woman of candor and humor and directness, who's comfortable with responsibilty and know how to lead our great nation. She really understands personal values and responsibility of the people of our nation, she will put all in the line to defend the principal and value that make United States the greatest nation on this planet.!!!!

Posted by: Akber Kassam. | October 3, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

.......Who....."WINS" is the one who's going to deliver.....Universal Health Care to all......WHO LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, and we shall......see....

Here's how....

People are like tea bags. "You never know how strong they are until they are in hot water." ---Parenting Newsletter

.......I'm in it for America folks, because I care about America....

.....WHAT SAY YOU.......YOU LIVE HERE TOO!

......"TOGETHER WE WILL GET UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.....for 48 Million American's who live in the Richiest Country in the world, TOgether......WE WILL!

..

Posted by: Tommy Birchfield | October 2, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00000019

Note the $10 million dollar figure under other.

Nice.

Typical Clinton hype/spin. Senator Obama is proving to be more than you bargained for and Hillary's getting nervous.

Anyone who can add or who is willing to look beyond a headline can figure out what is going on.

Tommy, I too am for universal healthcare, Hillary's "plan" is the same one Obama and Edwards came out with months ago. Good luck with the Master's and thankyou for your service.
Obama '08.

Posted by: Jim | October 2, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

......."GOooooooo.....Hillary...."GOoooo!

This registered Voter folks is VOTING FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH Care....AND IS VOTING FOR HILLARY TO SEE THAT 48 MILLION AMERICAN'S LIVING IN THE RICHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD GET IT!

...HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF TAXPAYERS DOLLARS SQUANDERED BY THE DISASTEROUS REPUBLICANS IN A FAR AWAY LAND, WHILE 48 MILLION AMERICAN'S GO WITHOUT HEALTH CARE INSURANCE IN THIS LAND!

40 MILLION SIT IN "POVERTY!

AS I SEE IT FOLKS, IS YOU DESERVE HEALTH CARE AS A CITIZEN, YOU DESERVE THIS IN THE RICHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, AND AS I SEE HILLARY IS GOING TO GET IT FOR US!

IN CONCLUSION THE REPUBLICANS HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE FOLKS, THEY JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE IT.

.....151 REPUBLICANS AND THE "DISASTEROUS BUSH ADMINSTRATION "VOTED DOWN HEALTH CARE FOR KIDS......OF THE WORKING POOR....

...."WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOUR GOING TO GET IT...FOLKS....IF THE KIDS........DON'T!

....NOW....DO....YOU....SEE.....WHAT I SAY!

NOW DO YOU SEE...HOW THE REPUBLICANS....ARE...NOW DO YOU SEE....

THE REPUBLICANS FOUND....$10 BILLION FOR THE OIL COMPANIES....WHO ARE RAKING IN RECORD PROFITS....BUT NOT A DIME FOR KIDS!

...."TRUE PATRIOTISM....."HATES INJUSTICE IN ITS OWN LAND...MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE."
---CLARENCE DARROW

HELP US.......HELP.......YOU.......

AND.......AMERICA....

SINCERELY, TOMMY BIRCHFIELD, VOTER, VET USAF, CLASS 2007 EAST TENN STATE UNIVERSITY

MASTER'S PROGRAM....FALL......2007

Posted by: TOMMY BIRCHFIELD | October 2, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I never want another Bush or Clinton in the White House for as long as I live.
Both families need to do the Country a favor and get out of politics.
It's up to the American people to end this dynasty and send them packing in November.
Obama '08.

Posted by: Jim | October 2, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

With $22 million you get eggloll. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Posted by: Sawargos | October 2, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

bsimom -- how big a flux capacitor?

Posted by: drindl | October 2, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistake, it has been reported that Hillary Clinton transfered $10M from her Senate campaign money. That's how she managed to get more than Obama. Not from donors, from her own accounts.

Slimy politician through and through. She'll twist the facts to make herself look good. She always has, she always will. If this country is stupid enough to elect her, they deserve her.

Posted by: bklynsam | October 2, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

don't tase me bro!

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

flux capacitors are fascists

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

drindl asks
"Could you put thaat in layman's terms Mark? How much power does that many magawatts produce? Enough to light up a small town? A city? I really don't know."


About 61% of what's necessary to power a flux capacitor for travelling in time.

Posted by: bsimon | October 2, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"cereal is a fascist plot

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 04:55 PM
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Zouk is on suicide watch. CAll elias.

Posted by: rufus ) | October 2, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"where is obamas place in the back of the bus? shut up you fascist pig

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 05:10 PM
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not me. the coward fascsit is losing it :)

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

where is obamas place in the back of the bus? shut up you fascist pig

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

WAY TO GO CLINTON!!!!

'Bout time someone put Obama in his place!

Posted by: Ryan | October 2, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

cereal is a fascist plot

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Could you put thaat in layman's terms Mark? How much power does that many magawatts produce? Enough to light up a small town? A city? I really don't know.

Posted by: dridl | October 2, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The single best analysis of Hillary Clinton has been done by Jon Stewart. This was recapped in an interesting piece in today's Post by Howard Kurtz. Apparently Ms. Clinton is as scripted and genuine as Robbie The Robot and is just plain nuts. If she were a box of cereal, all of the ingredients would be marked as artificial....or, in this case, made in India, and downright poison.

Posted by: MikeB | October 2, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Monday's testimony came as I woke up with a hangover

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

relinquish

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

lyle, we are blessed with howling wind on the high plains of west Texas, as well.

The Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center in Texas remains the largest wind farm in the world with a total capacity of 735 megawatts (MW) spread across approximately 47,000 acres in Taylor and Nolan counties near Abilene in west central Texas.

Currently there are over 2,000 wind turbines in West Texas alone, most of them on land leased from farmers and ranchers.

The ranchers think the turbines are better than oil and gas leases [except for the noise and the vibes in the ground]. But the cattle do not wander up to the mesa tops anyway.

Posted by: Mark in Austin | October 2, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the windmills are ugly at all -- there were hundreds of them in the foothills in one place in Southern California, and I remember tinking they looking rather like sculpture, really quite sleek and graceful. We have a gigantic one on a hill here in Northern westchester, and it must produce a lot, because the power lines coming from it are gigantic.

Posted by: drindl | October 2, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Podhoretz's own description of his psychology and view of himself that illuminates so much of the vicarious warmongering culture that dominates our political system today (emphasis in original):

'The hatred I still feel for Negroes is the hardest of all the old feelings to face or admit, and it is the most hidden and the most overlarded by the conscious attitudes into which I have succeeded in willing myself
"


Olberman said this guy Podhoretz is " the god-father of the neocon movement. Still water runs deep. no wonder they are done as a party. The year is 2007 people. Wake-up gop. Get with the program. John Wayne is dead. The cowboy is no longer relevant in america. We have supermarkets now. Your time has pasted. Don't fear change. Like your fathers before you, you must relinqust power to the next generation. your party is done.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Tuesday's testimony came as Rep. David Price, D-North Carolina, introduced legislation amending the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act "to ensure that all contractors are accountable under U.S. criminal law" and to ensure the FBI investigates and prosecutes allegations of misconduct. Price said he expected the House to vote on the bill Wednesday.

The testimony took a partisan tone at times with Republicans defending Blackwater's service and Democrats questioning Prince's political contributions in the past.

Prince, whose sister, Betty DeVos, is a former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party, has made more than $225,000 in contributions, including $160,000 to the Republican National Committee and National Republican Congressional Committee, a congressional memorandum states.

Prince himself has contributed over $200,000 to the Republican party in recent years.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

in montana the militias will blow them all up

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

JasonL: I think you, Mark, and I have the same ideas on how to conserve. Wind power seems to be the best bet now, for it is so easy and the cost is near zero once you have the windmills in place. The weather channel is a good place to look for a lot of information concerning wind around the country. The vast open space in Montana and Idaho would be ideal, and I doubt very few would complain about how ugly the windmills are.

Posted by: lylepink | October 2, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I want my money back

Posted by: Mr Hsu | October 2, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

nutshells nutshells I'm shedding nutshells

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

So tell me if you've heard this before:

Take advantage of a shocking tragedy to rush through emergency legislation.

Award a fat private contract with no oversight.

Kick the cost of everything you've done down the road so you can pretend to be for "small government" by never paying for anything.

Does that sound familiar? It should, that's Republicanism in a nutshell.

Posted by: in a nutshell | October 2, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It's not only Bush and the Congressional Republicans who are trying to slip out of DC while leaving the nation holding the bill for their follies. The "Toughen Up Those Ungrateful Grandkids" payment method has become the official operating instructions for the Republican Party.

For example, take a look at at this feel good story from Missouri.

Governor Blunt signed legislation Thursday in Dexter that supporters say will fast track more than 800 bridge improvements in the state. ...

"We're quadrupling the pace of bridge repairs in Missouri," he said. "Without this program it would take 20 years to make repairs, now we're looking at five years."

Now there's responsive government, eh? Seeing the problem with the Bridge collapse in Minnesota, Matt Blunt (Roy's boy) and the Republican legislative chorus jumped to and put together a plan to whip Missouri's neglected bridges into shape!

Only that's not quite the whole story. To get this peachy keen deal, Blunt and his pals put out a single, 30 year contract giving over the repair and maintenance of 802 bridges in Missouri to a single contractor. And there's another little twist. How did Blunt, who never met a tax he didn't hate or a giveaway to corporations he didn't love, come up with the money to cover all those bridges? After all, the absolute refusal of Republicans to pass any kind of tax is what's kept Missouri's roads at the bottom of national rankings and allowed all those bridges to rot. Did seeing people plunging to their death finally bring them to fiscal sanity and make them realize public safety was more important than handing out fat tax breaks to their friends? Hardly.

The details of the plan are this: not only does one contractor win this thirty year bonanza, that contractor will repair all 802 bridges over the next five year and then deliver the bill. With interest. The contractor doesn't just play contractor, they also play bank.

What's magic about five years? Well, for one thing, Matt Blunt won't be governor (he probably won't be governor in one year, but that's another story). And, thanks to term limits, almost no one in the legislature who voted for the "safe and secure" bridges, will be there when the bill comes in.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Meks--Which state is Clinton going to win that Kerry did not?

Posted by: Dave | October 2, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The very cynical TPM Reader SJ dials in on Prince and 'iconic private contractors' ...

Admittedly, I don't have a PHD in History -- but I like to think I've been interested in it long enough know more than the average American.
When I think of "iconic private contractors" through the course of American history, "Hessians" is the first instance that comes to my mind. Perhaps Mr. Prince forgot about them because of the allusion of the drunken Blackwater contractor to the Hessian performance at the Battle of Trenton? Or - maybe it's the uncomfortable juxtaposition of stories of Hessian atrocities in the Irish rebellion of 1798 with Blackwater's reputation in Iraq?

If I dig deeper into my recollection of books, documentaries, and lectures -- the next instances of 'private military contractors' would probably be instances I wouldn't be too quick to tout...

First would be the Pinkertons - Lincoln's original 'Secret Service' - that morphed into strike-breaking, union infiltrators, culminating in 11 deaths during the Homestead Strike (which subsequently led to the Anti-Pinkerton Act that barred the government from hiring Pinkertons or employees of "similar organizations"... whatever became of that?).

Next, I would probably think of the private security forces that were raised during the building the of the transcontinental rail in response to Native American attacks on the Union Pacific. They certainly protected the progress of the railway... but also nearly wiped out buffalo herds and the Natives who technically still owned the land via treaties with the federal government. Of course, there was no TPMMuckraker in the 1860s -- so we won't even get into the corruption and graft that was rampant during that project

Posted by: Sj | October 2, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Ambassador "Can't Recall" if State Dept. Investigated Blackwater Killing
"We'll get back to you," says the former deputy chief of mission in Baghdad when asked about a 2005 shooting and cover-up.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

It is this 1963 Commentary essay by Norman Podhoretz (.pdf) -- our nation's leading warmonger, Godfather of Neoconservatism, top foreign policy guru to Rudy Giuliani, and loudest advocate of attacking Iran. The essay is entitled "My Negro Problem -- and Ours," and in it, Podhoretz argues that "I am convinced that we white Americans are . . . so twisted and sick in our feelings about Negroes that I despair of the present push toward integration."

But it isn't the malicious racism that is so notable (though it is certainly notable) -- such open expressions of pure racism were common in 1963 and he would undoubtedly claim that he has left such sentiments behind. Rather, what is most significant is Podhoretz's own description of his psychology and view of himself that illuminates so much of the vicarious warmongering culture that dominates our political system today (emphasis in original):

'The hatred I still feel for Negroes is the hardest of all the old feelings to face or admit, and it is the most hidden and the most overlarded by the conscious attitudes into which I have succeeded in willing myself. It no longer has, as for me it once did, any cause or justification (except, perhaps that I am constantly being denied my right to an honest expression of the things I earned the right as a child to feel). How, then, do I know that this hatred has never entirely disappeared? I know it from the insane rage that can stir in me at the thought of Negro anti-Semitism; I know it from the disgusting prurience that can stir in me at the sight of a mixed couple; and I know it from the violence that can stir in my whenever I encounter that special brand of paranoid touchiness to which many Negroes are prone. . . .

There were plenty of bad boys among the whites -- this was, after all, a neighborhood with a long tradition of crime as a career open to aspiring talents -- but the Negroes were really bad, bad in a way that beckoned to one, and made one feel inadequate.'

There will never be enough bombings and sending others off to start new wars that will erase those feelings. But Podhoretz and his bloodthirsty followers -- including his combat-avoiding protegee Rudy Giuliani -- will never stop trying.

Posted by: zouk syndrome | October 2, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It mattered little that Panama is a tiny country with a military that was an absurd shadow of U.S. military might, a country that could never remotely threaten the United States. What mattered was the display of strength that, in American political culture, comes from war, no matter how senseless the war is, no matter how weak the enemy. That need among those who feel a lacking of power and strength -- to send others off to fight wars so that they can feel powerful -- is insatiable and far more potent than any rational arguments about "national interest" and "just wars."
That is a major reason why -- despite the endless debates and overwhelming public sentiment -- we stay in Iraq (because to leave would be to "lose," to suffer a "humiliating defeat" at the hands of a laughing Al Qaeda), and it is why war with Iran is so appetizing for so many -- we need to show the world who is boss. It is warped psychology masquerading as political belief. And that is why nothing triggers hysteria of the sort in the above-excerpted post more than challenging the notion that it may not actually be necessary to wage Permanent and Endless War on Muslims. Arguing that is virtually tantamount to advocating that our nation's vicarious war cheerleaders be deprived of food, water and oxygen.

Posted by: zouk syndrome | October 2, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

do the hillary numbers account for giving back the corrupt hsu money?

Posted by: John Edwards | October 2, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

i want to leave an irrelevant comment too

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

One of the most unintentionally revealing newspaper articles of the last several decades was a 1989 front-page article in The New York Times written by R.W. Apple, on the very day when the first President Bush ordered the ludicrous (though deadly) invasion of Panama ("Operation Just Cause"). The NYT declared that Bush -- by sending the U.S. military to invade a weak and tiny country and chase around its President -- had, with one fell swoop, erased all doubts about his toughness and manliness:

For George Bush, the United States invasion of Panama early this morning constituted a Presidential initiation rite as well as an attempt to achieve specific goals.

For better or for worse, most American leaders since World War II have felt a need to demonstrate their willingness to shed blood to protect or advance what they construe as the national interest. All of them acted in the belief that the American political culture required them to show the world promptly that they carried big sticks.'

Posted by: laughable macho | October 2, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

And this bile that spewed forth really illustrates so much about why we continue to fight one of history's most absurd wars ever, whereby we occupy Iraq indefinitely even though the original justifications for invading have long ago vanished and even those who want to stay have no idea what we are trying to accomplish. It is the same dynamic that fueled so much of the intense and obsessive hatred for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and which drives the insatiable quest for new Enemies to attack, including what looks increasingly like the new War with Iran.

Bombing and killing Muslims is the only path for avoiding the humiliating scenarios which our nation's war cheerleaders carry around obsessively in their heads, and which are currently filling my inbox. They're not going to be the ones on their knees, begging. They're not going to be the "f*ggots." Instead, they are going to send others off to fight and bomb and occupy and kill and thereby show who is strong and tough and feel protected.

In his excellent and well-documented book "The Wimp Factor," Psychology Professor Stephen Ducat reviews clinical studies which demonstrate that many men "are more likely to experience a vicarious boost in their own sense of power and potency when American military forces attack, and especially when they defeat, an enemy." Neoconservative war tracts almost invariably are suffuse with explicit warnings about submission and humiliation.

Posted by: zouk is a wimp | October 2, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

'For whatever reason, right-wing blogs over the past couple of days began writing about that Kirchick post I wrote and, as a result, my inbox is filled with furious and deranged missives similar to the Protein Wisdom post. Nothing is more sacred in the right-wing/neocon religion than the intense fear of Muslims and the belief that they are coming to get us all. Here is one representative email I received this morning:

'Glenn -- just read your post about how we're all over-reacting to Islamic fundamentalism. How refreshing! I had no idea that our fears were so ill-founded. There I was, all set to actually believe the rhetoric of Al Qaeda and Iran and the countless video tapes of suicide bombers, not to mention the actual language of the Quran. In fact, I'd even begun to believe this poll, which says that quite a few American Muslims think that there is justification for strapping a bomb to yourself and walking into a mall [GG: I wrote about that poll here and here]. But who needs polls when I have Glenn Greenwald! Thank heavens we have you to balance all this with an argument that can basically be summed up as, "well none of these people who mocked Islam have been killed, so you all need to relax, OK?"
I picture this moment, Glenn, and it brings me a little chuckle. It's you, begging some terrorist for your life, pointing out all the wonderful things you wrote that undermined America's resolve to fight against Islamic terrorism. "Look," you say, pulling articles out of your pockets with shaking hands, "I have served you! Clearly this means that I deserve to be spared!"
I won't tell you how it ends, Glenn.'

One can only marvel at how developed and richly detailed is the fantasy that he has created and carries around with him -- being on one's knees before a Muslim terrorist, begging and pleading and shaking, dialogue about "having served you."

It is really right out of some cheap, trite sadomasochistic pornography script, and yet these fears and truly creepy fantasies are the foundation for their political beliefs, driving most of our political discourse and policy.

Posted by: glenn | October 2, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Byron, the primary season is going to continue until the convention. Assuming a July convention, that's about 9 months. But the nominee will be chosen long before July. So there's plenty of time for Obama, or Hillary, or whoever to do general election fundraising, while they can still spend primary money.

I don't understand why anyone would donate general election money this far in advance. Besides, if you want to look at broke candidates, look at the Republicans. None of them have raised nearly as much money as the Democrats. If there's going to be a fundraising disparity in the general election, it'll be in the Democrats' favor.

Posted by: Blarg | October 2, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

'Darrell Issa, on this morning's Washington Journal (1:07:20 or so in):

If Henry Waxman today wants to go to Iraq and do an investigation, Blackwater will be his support team. His protection team. Do you think he really wants to investigate directly?'

Wow --directly threatening a US Congressperson. Where is the Secret Service?

Posted by: Linda | October 2, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Really will? Is that what's up. this is my first presidential election, I have been involved in. I am a young man, I didn't get involed until bush won his re-eelction. i was shocked. I couldn't figure out how this could happen. That is when I started to get involved, watching shows reading, posting. I am a young man. I am naive, I know.

I have rad your post in the past and agree with what you said will. So is that what is happening? Is it just early? Why is everyone, liek cc in the next post, saying if obama doesn't win iowa he has no shot. When is primetime in politics will. I'm not being patronizing. I'm serious. I may be passionate, but a magor reason is I see the hope I had slipping away with a clinton nomination. When is prime time will? When will we know? When do most people donate? I have donated when I can. My frustration has been building as clintons numbers have been rising. When will people make their decision? The primaries? Wouldn't that be to late?

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly, a lot more people who support Obama have given little so far, and have a lot more.

But it's early. I don't think I ever gave money to a Pres candidate this early, myself.

However, the DC based media are trying to crown Senator Clinton, and do their usual job of distorting other candidates, even though people really are still in the asking questions state of mind.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | October 2, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The only thing saving the gop is the democrats. They could crush them if they so choosed. The republicans would if the roles were reversed. Impeached for a BJ?

One coin. Two differant sides. They are the same party. If only coke and pepsi existed as cola what insentive would they have to change and improve their product.

A real vaild thrid party candidate is the only way to keep these parties honest. I WANT A DIFFERANT coin :)

If only once to put fear in both parties. IMO once an indy president was elected we could form a party around it in four years. But who is the righ tcandidate. I prya it's obama. If he wasn't held down by the leiberman's kerry's and clintons OF HIS OWN party, the moderates, we could get some real change in this nation. Moderates are selling us out. That is why congress's approval is so low.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Latest ABC News-WaPo poll:

Approval rating for Congress as a whole: 29 percent

Approval rating for Dems in Congress: 39 percent

Approval rating for GOPers in Congress: 29 percent.

Translation: Congress is doing a mediocre job, but GOPers are more to blame than Dems.

Result: More losses for GOPers in 2008.

Posted by: more zouk/cockler lies | October 2, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Regarding campagin cash. How much money did it cost in the last election? Far less than obama has already rasied. Money is not the issue. Votes are the issue. In order of obama to win, a lot of hillary's votes must be obama votes.

Clinotn is therefore being pushed by the gop on every station, suddelly. Watch the signs. I just hope the young women and digging their head in the sand moderate democrats see what time it is eventually and don't buy into the hype.

Go Obama-gore 08

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

This is huge for Hillary. The knock against her has always been her failure to match Obama's prodigious cash totals. With this Q's haul, she outs that behind her.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | October 2, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Can we talk about General Election cash as well? The pundits ALWAYS avoid talking about this. Obama and the other Democratic candidates need every penny to take on Hillary, and thus are raising almost nothing for the general election. Hillary, on the other hand, is preparing herself for the main event. Don't we want a nominee who enters the general election and isn't COMPLETELY BROKE?

Posted by: Byron | October 2, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

You always pay more in the private sector. Mercenries taht are not accountable to anyone getting paid a fortune. Sounds like th egop pltform for 08 if yo spinkle in racism and sexism

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

the gop is making a fortune.

"Blackwater Manager Earns More Than Double General Petraeus
By: Logan Murphy @ 10:59 AM - PDT Via Washington Post: (h/t Nonny)

The contract that Blackwater Security Consulting signed in March 2004 with Regency Hotel and Hospital of Kuwait for a 34-person security team offers a view into the private-security business world. The contract was made public last week by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee majority staff as part of its report on Blackwater's actions related to an incident in Fallujah on March 31, 2004, when four members of the company's security team were killed in an ambush.

According to data provided to the House panel, the average per-day pay to personnel Blackwater hired was $600. According to the schedule of rates, supplies and services attached to the contract, Blackwater charged Regency $1,075 a day for senior managers, $945 a day for middle managers and $815 a day for operators.

According to data provided to the House panel, Regency charged ESS an average of $1,100 a day for the same people. How the Blackwater and Regency security charges were passed on by ESS to Halliburton's KBR cannot easily be determined since the catering company was paid on a per-meal basis, with security being a percentage of that charge.

Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad overseeing more than 160,000 U.S. troops, makes roughly $180,000 a year, or about $493 a day. That comes out to less than half the fee charged by Blackwater for its senior manager of a 34-man security team. Read more...
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www.crooksandliars.com

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry Dems, we'll have the last laugh. After we gain back full control of OUR country, we'll start our own war trials and hopefully the whole(I doubt the "whole") truth about everything from 9/11 to the Iraq invasion will come out. You republicans will bury your heads in shame. Maybe the correct(qualified)people will be put in the positions to rectify all the wrong that has occurred in the last 7 years. War profiteering,in my mind,is treasonous and should be enforced upon all involved,be it a Dem or Repub. It's a shame to see such division between fellow Americans on these comment sections. It's odd that most of these neocons for the war have never been in the military, but they dream that they "carry a big stick" and can kick any countrys' a##. OOOOOH, tough guys all! What a joke. Say what you want about the Clintons, but the country was a lot better off when Bill was in charge and you know it, but will not say it. If all you can do is cut Hillary down(her laugh ?)
then you don't have much of an arguement on who'll do a better job running this great country. BushCo cut taxes, but not mine or any other middle/poor class citizens. Plus we're paying more for everything else vital to our well being. Again,all Dems: We'll straighten it all out,like we always do, and have the last laugh.
Headline Nov,08: republican party DOA

Posted by: jime | October 2, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Most of the Obama campaign aides in this forum are plain idiots. He can NEVER will the general election. NEVER. Which state did John Kerry not win that Sen. Obama will win in 2008. Do not be blind. The writer of this story was obviously so biased that he said $3 million is not significant when that represents 16% of what Sen.Obama raised for the qtr. The writer jumped to the fact that Sen.Obama has raised $74.9 million against Mrs. clinton's $72.6 million. He forgot to tell the readers that Mrs Clinton tops Sen. Obama in total raised so far this year without even the $10 Million she transferred to her preseidential campaign as far back as February/March this year. If you add that she would have amassed $90 million against Sen. Obama's $79 million. It may interest you to know the writer did not mention she has more donors this qtr than obama or Edwards. Why? Because the writer is biased. If he had done that, he would have jumped to remind the readers that obama has more number of total donors if you add all the qtrs so far. But let me state categorically that if Mrs. clinton's initial strategy was to use number of donor as a campaign strategy she would still surpass Obama. What happened was that she found out that people were using the number of donors to make political statement and she decided to expand her donor base to prove she can get the number if that it is required. Go through all the biased media this afternoon who never thought she could get that number, you can see they are belittling that part of the story and trumping up obama previous months. Enough of that. Let's go to lobbyist story. Obama takes money from state lobbyist and not federal lobbyist. Mrs Clinton takes money from federal lobbyist and not state. That reflects where each of them has spent their years of public service. Mr Obama was in state legislature for about 4 yrs and 2 yrs in federal legislature, so common sense makes it obvious he will be acquianted with state lobbyist. The same can be said of Mrs. Clinton at federal legislature. It is political and moral dishonesty to say to you only take money from state lobbyist because federal lobbyist corrupt the politicians. Tell that to leticia. For some of you that come in this forum and ranting what you don't know, go check your facts. When you read this, ask yourself which state did Kerry not win that obama will win in 2008. As for Mrs. Clinton, i can answer that with all certainty - Florida. She is immensely popular here, twice more than any democrat. This is a state with 12 years of republican Governor and she is the only democrat that will deliver the state. If Al Gore or Kerry had won florida, the crusader in White house today will be managing his ranch in Texas today. Be warned, don't allow your sentiments overrun sense of reason. Elections are won by electoral votes. If we want to take back the White House, nominate Mrs. Clinton. Forget what the republicans say about being the easiest to beat. It is a plain lie, they want to stampede us to nominate another candidate. If Bill Clinton beat them twice and can beat again, why would them prefer to run against Mrs. Clinton. Don't buy the charade. Like her or hate her, we need the White house in 2008. We need a candidate that can deliver the electoral vote. The rhetorics of bringing us together will not make the swing states to vote a candidate. Even when the war was unpopular, Kerry still lost. Lets get real and forget all these columnist doing the work for David Gaffen and his cohorts who want to settle a political score with Bill Clinton. In conclusion, vote where your head tells you but remember we need the White house in 08.

Posted by: Meks | October 2, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Balrg. What's up.

no. I do that. you can't be me. Like I said, I come here so sequoia and drindl and other liberals are free to say what they really feel. I come here so they will not be scared to post what they wnat. I open it up.

As to what you can do. I told you several times. In my opinion the only way to stand up to the right is to play by their rules. But they cheat. They don't follow the same rules they enforce.

What can you do? Rush. Hannity. Malkin. Coulter. O'Reilly. Fox. GET THEM OFF THE AIR. THat is what you can do. Go after the advertisers. Picket. Call them. Email them. That is what you can do. Support movements like votevets.org like moveon.org. Support condy sheehans group Gold star families for peace. Ther eis plenty you can do to fix what ailes us.

But pointing the finger at me is not it. Remeber nixin? Who were his enemies? Martin Luther King and John Lennon. Did point inng the finger at them make them the enemy? yes. Was he a crimanl destroying the country and the presidency? Yes. If you are on the side of justice, you are on the side of justice. Lies spin and propoganda can never defeat justice and truth. Pick a side blarg. That is what you can do my freind.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Dave!, the real question with regard to the fundraising is, how much cash does each have on hand, and how much debt? I have to imagine that HRC has an army of consultants and pollsters. Obama, maybe not as much, but he spends too.

This reminds me of when the NBA was on strike, and they asked someone, maybe it was Patrick Ewing, "Why are you worried about money, aren't you rich?" His response was, "Yeah, we make a lot, but we spend a lot too".

You know these leading candidates (on both sides) have their posses to fund.

Posted by: JD | October 2, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

And how should I stand up to these people, Rufus? Make a few hundred posts on message boards?

Posted by: Blarg | October 2, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"rufus -- I have no problem with Jesus or His message. I DO have a big problem with conservative fascists twisting religion into a weapon of oppression and war a la the Taliban. Jesus would be appalled by these right-wing fanatics.

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Word is born. Imagine my rage if you take into accoutn everything else.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the linkage, Mark. I'm an energy policy guy, but I'd never read about oil shale. Probably because it's a joke.

As I said before, and the article mentions, new drilling, be it in Alaska or the Gulf, is a band-aid. We need to set high efficiency goals for our vehicles and homes.

The Bush administration has been woefully lackadaisical about our energy security. States should eliminate sales taxes on energy star appliances, compact fluorescent bulbs, and vehicles that get better than 40 mpg. The federal government should be providing block grants to help with this. They also need to get serious about CAFE standards.

Posted by: JasonL | October 2, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The right loves to say "When will moderate muslims stand up against the terrorsit".

I say the same thing here, for the most part, daily.

When will real chrsitians following the teachigns of the christ stand up to these people killing in his name. And destroying the country in his name. they are not God's though they pretend to know his will. The only reason they are pro life is economic and military. False prophets.

God will judge them one day. They will never be able to say no one told them they were wrong when they reach teh pearly gates. I hope St peter pulls out the Fix transcript :)

"Rufus and sequoia told you. You choose your own will"

;)

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

is her cleavage enough to cause smoke? nah

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

rufus -- I have no problem with Jesus or His message. I DO have a big problem with conservative fascists twisting religion into a weapon of oppression and war a la the Taliban. Jesus would be appalled by these right-wing fanatics.

Posted by: sequoia | October 2, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Bible thumping"

They may claim to be chrsitians. But it takes more than saying it to make it true. False prophets. A christian is so by his actions. The religous right are not chrsitians. They are fascists, imposing an agenda. They are using my religon to impose their agenda. They are misleading the flock. I agree with you 100% sequoia. I just had to interject.

A christian loves his enemies. A christian takes care of the poor and un-healthy. A christian follows the tenats of Jesus. Did Jesus tell you people to hate brown people AND liberals ,zouk? I doubt it. If so you are reading the wrong "chrstiian" books.


Ann coulter wears a cross evertime I see her, for pete's sake. I'm waiting for the cross to smoke :)

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

CC!. How many stories did you run about the republcians attacking moveon? WHY ZERO MENTION OF EITHER RUSH OR O'REILLY'S COMMENTS? What hypocrites you fascists are. America is not as dumb as you think.

It is in congress now. I know the gop likes to hide in their caves

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave

When they don't like the news. But it is in congress now. You ran What 3 stories about the horrible moveon ad. Where's the balance. Now you know why I have no remorse for gop feelings. Practice what you preach. We can not fix this nation on a one way street. The rules and LAWS have to apply to all.

Posted by: I say again | October 2, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

real mature cockler. Here are your values:

- Wars for oil
- Oppression of gays, women and religious minorities
- Torture
- Supporting Terrorism
- Executing black people
- Suppressing the black vote
- Abandoning the poor
- Destroying the planet for corporate gain
- Theocracy
- Abandoning the Constitution
- Corruption
- Bible thumping
- "conserving" your privilege in society and oppressing everybody else
- Misinformation campaigns
- Stifling dissent
- Nazi hate rallies over innocuous comments by pop stars
- Human rights violations worldwide
- Blind allegiance to obviously failed policies
- Neverending war through fearmongering
- Allowing terrorists to control your entire worldview
- Letting American children die from toothaches
- Hyper nationalism

...just to name a few.
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Posted by: sequoia | October 2, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

They are trying to PAT TILLMAN soldiers that are agaisnt the war. Who knows how many mureders are being commited over there by the lunatic right wing fringe. We only know about the tillman story becasue he was so famous.

Rush and fox and those like them are not waging war over seas. Tehe "war on terror" is being foght in american AGAINST US. Just like the "war on drugs" was another waged war against america for gop profit. These people do hate our freedoms. They hate liberals. They hate the media. They hate judges. They hate brown people. They hate everyone who is not a dittohead fascist clone liek them.

"You are with us (fascism) or agaisnt us".

Real patriots need to stand agaisnt these people and stop hiding in the sand, blarg/pink/simon.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"most of America - 11%"

you've been citiing this statistic for awhile now. Where do you get your fuzzy math from?

Posted by: JamesCH | October 2, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"rufus, it's just so easy. cockler here doesn't even realize he's the lunatic fringe minority in this country who would blindly support Bush if he was shown eating puppies on live TV. He and his kind woulda made great little Nazis."

Right. Olberman calls them "The lunatic right-wing fringe". I love it :)

his only hope like rush o'reilly and the gop is to attack attack attack themessanger. They got nothing. It's funny to me. But being a former soldier it alos enrages me beyond believe. They think this is all a funny game. If I was still in service I would be killed by these people. So you understand why it angers me to hear rush say that people like me are "phony soldier".

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

most of America - 11%

Posted by: Dem math | October 2, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"EDITED version of the transcript '

sounds like Micheal moore and Media matters. Only spin, lies and deceit can advance the Lib agenda. the actual policies are too much to stomach:

Surrender
tax
spend
teach porn
steal money
bureacracy
regulation
investigation
abortions
power
power
feel good
talk, talk, talk
free stuff for voters

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"So sequioa, you now have the full support of Rufas. Telling, isn't it?"

Yep, and most of America. Nice try, though Freedom Fry.

Posted by: sequoia | October 2, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse


rufus, it's just so easy. cockler here doesn't even realize he's the lunatic fringe minority in this country who would blindly support Bush if he was shown eating puppies on live TV. He and his kind woulda made great little Nazis.

Posted by: sequoia | October 2, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

So sequioa, you now have the full support of Rufas. Telling, isn't it?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, and I heard a report that Rush has been playing an EDITED version of the transcript that day to try and make it sound like he was taken out of contest. Even the EDITED version still looks bad to me, but can anyone confirm that report?

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You got it colin. You hit the nail on the head. If he said nothing wrong play the tape. You got it.

O'rEilly's defense was "you have to listen to the whole hour". Or "where did you hear that?"

It would be laughable if they weren't destroying the country and killing so many people.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

so now we have cassandra, loud and dumb, ignorant coward, rufas. all we need is drindl to get to the magic 11%. but who is watching CNN if you all are on here?

The moonbat wing.

I get paid by a rich Conservative (the anti-Soros) to find Dem lies. I get paid by the lie. I am very wealthy as you can guess. If hillary wins and gives weekly radio adresses, I will be able to afford to buy the entire island of Hawaii soon. I am doing very nicely now with Reid, as long as he keeps talking, I will be rich.

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

all pulled staight from the propogandist at fox zouk. Get one incident and that represents what you hate. That is the purpose of fox. To discredit liberals. go ahead. But no amount of discrediting of liberals will make anybody feel better about what you people have done OR your candidates. you people are done

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Instead, they will post nonsense and committ personal attacks.

the zouk way.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

get em sequoia. On point diagnosys. MArginalize them. for all intensive purposes rush and o'reilly are done. That is what we need to do as a nation. Marginalize and point out those like fox and rush that divide this country for FUN and personal profit. This is not a game. I don't think my brothers and sisters being killed so gop members can line their pockets is funny at all.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

'his posts as the cackler clearly indicate someone on a one-way trip to St. E's.'

or maybe already there...

Posted by: Cassandra | October 2, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

zouk --the epitome of a barking moonbat

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"in what liberal lala universe does 11% amount to what most Americans think? what universe thinks that the lowest rated show, olbermann is better then the highest rated one - O"Reilly? what universe thinks that the clintons are honest? what universe thinks that raising taxes helps the economy? what universe thinks that surrendering wins wars? that doing nothing will save social security, that socialized medicine is better than private? that 2nd graders need to be taught about men who kiss? that talking to Iran will work? that lower levels of violence in a war zone constitute losing? that personal attacks substitute for substantial debate?"


If you listed all the Lib policies in a single place and they all sounded foolish, would you think they were fake, just to make you laugh? you would be tempted, but in this case, they are real.

no one will defend them on this blog. What would they say? Instead, they will post nonsense and committ personal attacks.

the Lib way.

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

his posts as the cackler clearly indicate someone on a one-way trip to St. E's.

Posted by: Spectator2 | October 2, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

'Do ya'll think KOZ gets paid by the 'cut and past," or is it an hourly wage? Just curious.'

I think it must be hourly, Colin -- he's here at exactly the same times every day.

I have to agree, the R party has really gone over the edge. It's scary and laughable at the same time. After all the outrage over the Petreus ad, they commend someone for saying something WORSE about our soldiers. Lunatics...

I have seen both transcripts. Of course he's reading an edited one. One thng you can count on, if Rush says it, it's a lie...

Posted by: Cassandra | October 2, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Only in the deluded lala land of zouk...

Posted by: | October 2, 2007 02:03 PM

See IV-C IS something special. you have now seen the most creative and original post of Ignorant Coward for the day.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse


rush is a right -- are you criticizing Carter? Why do you HATE FREEDOM and AMERICA, traitor?

Posted by: sequoia | October 2, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

lalalalalalalalala, zouk -- you loser, you lunatic. get a job, join the army, make some friends -- do something with your life! something, anything...

just step away from the keyboard...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"the worst president in the history of the United States and the worse foreign policy blunder in a generation"

I only mentioned Carter in passing. Are you from the Carter center?

Posted by: rush is right | October 2, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Only in the deluded lala land of zouk...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Ignorant coward - in what liberal lala universe does 11% amount to what most Americans think? what universe thinks that the lowest rated show, olbermann is better then the highest rated one - O"Reilly? what universe thinks that the clintons are honest? what universe thinks that raising taxes helps the economy? what universe thinks that surrendering wins wars? that doing nothing will save social security, that socialized medicine is better than private? that 2nd graders need to be taught about men who kiss? that talking to Iran will work? that lower levels of violence in a war zone constitute losing? that personal attacks substitute for substantial debate?

Only in the deluded lala land of liberalism.

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

after the intro is the text of Obama's speech at DePauw. It is long, but worth reading. He is about what we aspire to be; Clinton is about a mere switch in parties.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6121.html

Posted by: LE | October 2, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

the Sense of the Senate, OCT 2, 2007 - that zouk is a wimp and a cowardly chickenhawk and is totally over his head and impotent--which may explain why he's here all day.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Do ya'll think KOZ gets paid by the 'cut and past," or is it an hourly wage? Just curious.

The Kingston Bill commending Rush is too perfect to believe. Absolutely amazing. I don't have any trouble saying I disagree with the move.on ad. KOZ and his republican friends? They think Congress should pass a Bill PRAISING Rush for his "phony soldier" comments. Yep, the patriotic party indeed.

Oh, and I heard a report that Rush has been playing an EDITED version of the transcript that day to try and make it sound like he was taken out of contest. Even the EDITED version still looks bad to me, but can anyone confirm that report?

Posted by: Colin | October 2, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

CC,
"$72.6 million raised in primary money is still less than the $74.9". OK - your math is still good. But really isn't this more "neck and neck"? I think the fundraising means little in regards to perception of frontrunner. Polls on the other hand... Hillary is (and has been) percieved as the frontrunner because she is (and has been) leading in the polls for a while (since day 1?). As a voter, if I don't like a candidate because of a certain reason, I'm still not going to like that candidate regardless of whether I see their commercial 157 or 162 times. Am I supposed to think that after the 163rd time, I'm going to think, "well, maybe I should reconsider my vote"?

Posted by: Dave! | October 2, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Sense of the Senate: Oct. 2, 2007. I get the sense the Libs can't pass any of their surrender legislation, that the predicted loss of the war was premature, that we are winning, that the frustration with winning an election, advocating moronic ideas that get shot down, plummeting in the polls and demonstrating total fecklessness and impotence is causing Reid to utter even dumber ideas. I get the sense the Senate is beyond him so instead he takes on Rush, to motivate the remaining 11%ers who still think he has a spine. no matter the approps were due last week, plenty of time for fooling around.

the Sense of the Senate, OCT 2, 2007 - that the leader is a wimp and is totally over his head and as impotent as a Dem hawk.

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse


rush is right -- just give it a rest. Your stupid fascist technique of desperately trying to suggest that criticism of the worst president in the history of the United States and the worse foreign policy blunder in a generation (along with the anti-Constitutional outrages, human rights violations and war crimes) is "unpatriotic" doesn't work anymore. YOU are the lunatic fringe minority in this country and YOU CAN'T silence the majority of Americans who oppose this idiot Pretzeldent and his failed policies that are losing the War on Terror and disgracing a nation. The good liberals of this country are fighting against the conservative fascists just as they are in Iran, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. YOU are a terrorist.

Posted by: sequoia | October 2, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

lyle and JasonL, you both might find the following article interesting:

www.aspencore.org/images/pdf/OilShale.pdf

Posted by: Mark in Austin | October 2, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I think if there is anything you can glean from this Blog is that I believe Americans are fed up with the multiple-personalited zouk posting every 3 or 4 minuutes all day long under 100 names

Not only are they fed up, but they pity his wasted life--his lack of a job, a family, friends, and a mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Uttering lines that send liberals into paroxysms of rage, otherwise known as 'citing facts,' is the spice of life"

Posted by: anti-cackler | October 2, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse


I think if there is anything you can glean from this Blog is that I believe Americans are fed up with having a government that spends too much of their tax dollars on an unwinnable war in a country we shouldn't be in to begin wit.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

'and so on every 3 or 4 minutes.'

which is exactly what you do, zouk, so why is it a problem if someone else does it?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I think if there is anything you can glean from this Blog is that I believe Americans are fed up with having a government that spends too much of their tax dollars behind closed doors and in secrecy. If an earmark is worthy of one cent of taxpayer money, it must be able to withstand public scrutiny.

Republicans are circulating a petition that would force House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to allow all earmarks to be publicly disclosed and debated. The petition requires 218 signatures, in order to succeed; the support of fiscally responsible House Democrats is needed.

So far 193 Members have signed on. Unfortunately, after Democrats won the majority by campaigning on the promise of more transparency in Congress, there hasn't been one Democrat to add their name to the petition as of now.

Disclosure alone will not solve the earmark problem. But it's a start, and Democrats refuse to even do that.

Posted by: lib lies | October 2, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

This was taken on a rooftop during a firefight on March 24 in Baqubah. One guy lost a leg up to his knee and another lost a foot in an IED blast that day. Talk about sacrifices! Out of seven Americans on that rooftop, one is going to reenlist! The rest decided to get out to avoid going to Iraq again, despite what Mike from Olympia, Washington said on your show about what real soldiers say, like "they want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country." All I see is a bunch of phonies!


This is Matt tugging on a buried wire connected to a massive IED underneath the road. In Baqubah they were so prevalent that the explosive ordnance disposal dudes couldn't take care of them all in the city, so we started finding them and blowing them up ourselves. Matt just finished his second tour, in which he was deployed a total of 27 months. This coward that followed wires to huge bombs in the road is getting out in a few months. And that's a good thing, as this military could use a lot less phony soldiers.


Here's Bill, digging up a grave containing a woman with her two daughters in a field in Baqubah. They were executed by gunshot and buried in the same hole. We took turns digging as the brave men of the Iraqi Army watched and joked. Bill also served 27 months in combat and like Matt, will be getting out of the Army in a couple months. Good riddance, phony!


This is Chevy in Baghdad. Brian Chevalier was going to reenlist but decided against it before he was killed on March 14 during our first mission in Baqubah. His phony life was celebrated in a phony memorial where everyone who knew him cried phony tears. A phony American flag draped over his phony coffin when his body came home. It was presented to his phony mother and phony daughter.

I would be in awe if I ever met a real life soldier, and not a phony one like Bill, Matt or Brian Chevalier. Thank you, Rush Limbaugh, for telling me the difference. I hope your a*s is ok.

http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-deal.html

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

blarg - it never had a chance - first post of the day:

Posted by: spaeks volumes about the current state of the gop | October 2, 2007 11:05 AM

followed by:
Posted by: Prince Group=Blackwater | October 2, 2007 11:07 AM

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 11:08 AM

Posted by: rudy's dirty tricks | October 2, 2007 11:10 AM

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 11:12 AM

and so on every 3 or 4 minutes.


Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

That was an interesting exchange between Rep. Maloney and Blackwater CEO Erik Prince. This regarded the incident in which a drunken Blackwater contractor shot and killed a bodyguard for Iraqi Vice President Adel Abdul Mehdi -- the case in which the State Department decided to give $15,000 in compensation to the family of the dead man instead of $100,000 to $250,000 so as not provide an incentive "try to get killed to set up their family financially."

Prince said the guy was fired because he "violated our policies." (I guess that's a for-profit military way of putting it.) But he added that ""We can fire, we can fine, but we cannot detain." When asked if Blackwater had then helped the guy flee the country, Prince said "It could easily be."

So the contractor gets drunk and kills a guy. He gets fired. But there's apparently no operative law he has to answer to. And Blackwater helps him flee the jurisdiction, apparently in the face of a DOJ investigation.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

cakler or craker? HAHAHA

Your funny zouk. Like I've said. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITHOUT YOUR AVATARS?

Scared yet. Scared that what I have been saying for months is coming to fruiton?

HAHAHHA. Your funny zouk. Your party is done for 20 years OR MORE. Good luck. Remember who you people ran the show the last 30 years. Your time is up. Time to reap what you sow.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

zoyuk destroys the blog with his hate and multiple personalities. I don't understand why you put up with this, CC.

Posted by: Cassandra | October 2, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Just As In The South, Hillary's a Drag in the Mountain West

A couple more items to add to our discussion of the "Hillary drag" on Democrats in the South and West (key arguments found here and here), courtesy the Influence Peddler. First, an article in the Los Angeles Times looking at Hillary's effect on Mountain state Democrats:

The New York senator and Democratic front-runner was by a wide margin the most unpopular of 13 potential presidential candidates in Montana, according to a June survey by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research for the Billings Gazette; 61% said they would not consider voting for her, compared with 49% who would not vote for former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards and 45% who would not vote for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. The most unpopular Republican candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, was rejected by 51%.

Recent polls in Colorado, Nevada and Arizona have found similar distaste for Clinton.

"She's carrying huge negatives out here," said Floyd Ciruli, an independent Colorado pollster who said Democratic congressional candidates would have to highlight their differences with the national party to be successful next year. "It's that liberal East Coast image that is so hard to sell in the West."

One key advisor to a prominent Democratic congressional candidate tells the Times, "It's a disaster for Western Democrats... It keeps me up at night."

We will find a way to lose, that is what we do. we are Libs.

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

52 Percent of Americans Say Remove Troops From Iraq at Current Pace or Slower

So why did all three leading Democratic candidates say they couldn't guarantee that all U.S. combat troops would be out of Iraq by January 2013?

Might have something to do with this Washington Post poll result, that surprised me:

13. There's been a proposal to remove these additional U.S. forces from Iraq by next summer, returning to the earlier level of about 130-thousand U.S. troops. Do you think the number of U.S. forces in Iraq should be reduced more (quickly) than this, more (slowly), or is this about the right pace of troop reductions?

More Quickly: 43 percent

More Slowly: 12 percent

Right Pace: 38 percent


Should Not Be Reduced (volunteered answer): 2 percent


No Opinion: 5 percent

You add them up, it's 52 percent for the current pace or slower.
Remember this the next time one of our friends in the anti-war movement insists that the vast majority of Americans agree with their desire for an immediate withdrawal.

In that case, I, hillary clinton, want to change my answer. I don't like to go up against any polls.

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

and now you see why rush is about to be pulled. Divie and conquer. Waging war agaisnt americans. We need to come togther. Not let republcians like rush and zouk rip us apart. how do we fix our country? We start by maginalizing those that would divide us.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

...and that wraps it up for the blog today. Right on schedule.

Posted by: Blarg | October 2, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

AHMADINEJAD (via translator): This is not Guantanamo Bay! This is not a Baghdad prison! This is not a secret prison in Europe. This is not Abu Ghraib. This is Iran! I'm duh president of this country!

RUSH: Senator Durbin, Dick Durbin, floor of the Senate, June 14th, 2005.

DURBIN: If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others, that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their own prisoners.

Posted by: rush is right | October 2, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

AHMADINEJAD (via translator): Palestine is an old wound, as old as 60 years. For 60 years these people are displaced. For 60 years these people are being killed. For 60 years on a daily basis there are conflict and terror. For 60 years, innocent women and children are destroyed and killed by helicopters and airplanes that break the house over their heads!

RUSH: Jimmy Carter on The Tonight Show, December 11th, 2006.


CARTER: In Palestinian territory, there's horrible persecution of the Palestinians who live on their own land, and they have occupied the land. They have confiscated. They've colonized it, and they've forced Palestinians away from their homes, away from their pastures, away from their fields, cut down their olive trees and severely persecuted the Palestinians.

Posted by: rush is right | October 2, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

That $7 million dollars for the general election is potentially bad news for Hillary. That $7 million was given by people who already gave for the primary. How many times can Hillary go back to the same people?

I would suspect that Obama has a greater potential to get more money from people who already gave.

Posted by: jimmy | October 2, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

AHMADINEJAD (via translator): They do not respect the privacy of their own people. They tap telephone calls and try to control their people.

RUSH: Russ Feingold, May 8th, 2006.

FEINGOLD: The president violating the law by authorizing illegal domestic wiretapping.

Posted by: rush is right | October 2, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

RUSH: "Who said it...Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and which Democrat?"

AHMADINEJAD (via translator): My creating nonexistent enemies, for example, and an insecure atmosphere, they try to control all in the name of combating insecurity and terrorism.

RUSH: That's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad yesterday. Here's John Kerry July 24th of this year...

KERRY: The president is trying to scare the American people into believing that Al-Qaeda is the rationale for continuing the war in Iraq.

Posted by: rush is right | October 2, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

US Military Deaths In Iraq Lowest In 14 Months US military losses in Iraq for September stood at 70 on Sunday, the lowest monthly figure since July last year. The figure also marks the fourth consecutive drop in the monthly death toll

Posted by: bad news for Libs | October 2, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"You want to come on this program and call me unpatriotic, come on this program and call me unpatriotic. You want to call me a liar, you want to tell me that I did not say what I said, you come on this program and you tell me to my face that I said what I did not say. Stop hiding behind your special protections as a senator and spewing the talking points of an embarrassing, partisan hack media group called Media Matters for America. Hillary Clinton didn't serve in the military, by the way, Senator Reid. She just voted against General Petraeus. Barack Obama did not serve in the military, Senator Reid, and he didn't even show up to vote in support of Petraeus. John Edwards didn't serve, and after voting to send our troops to war, he has undermined them ever since. It is unconscionable for an esteemed United States senator to launch an all-out assault on a private citizen, which is a lie from front to back, in order to cover your own actions and words, which have been the true demoralization of the US military -- and if anybody owes the military of this country an apology, Senator Reid, it is you. It is Jack Murtha. It is Dick Durbin. It is any and all who have joined your effort to secure defeat of the United States and the United States military in not only Iraq, but the war on terror.

Sir, have you no decency left? Have you no shame whatsoever?"

but dirty Hairy Reed was hiding under his bed, shivering in fright at the thought of telling the truth and facing up to his own words. Reid is the most spinless leader the Senate has seen in a lifetime and probably longer.

will he try to change the subject again and attempt to forget his own treachery? Maybe if he can get the public and the willing fools to concentrate on talk radio and ignore the congress.

Posted by: rush is right | October 2, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should go look at the photos the GI posted here. They're heartbreaking. These are the people that drug addict creep Limbaugh called 'cowards' and 'phony soldier'

The rightwingers are despicable.

Posted by: Sue | October 2, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Lyle, I read the stuff on the oil shale reserves but I missed the conversation about them.

I'm excited if we're using them, but it's going to take years, probably, before it's available and we need to be focusing on efficiency first and foremost regardless of the amount of oil in the world.

Posted by: JasonL | October 2, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

better than what you would have for this site zouk. Truth is better than lies. News is better than spin and propoganda. You want a boggyman to blame zouk. Look in a mirror, tough guy. why aren't you in iraq again? You are sure tough, just like your master. Dittoheads these days.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

100% rufas and Ignorant coward. another example of wasted lives and a ruined blog.

zouk, Mr. Wasted Life himself...LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

'all the cutting and pasting from the Nation and the tireless repetative rants have scared off anyone with an actual opinion or original thought.'

zouk, who's never had an original thought and doesn't anything other than ranting.... boohoo

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse


This was taken on a rooftop during a firefight on March 24 in Baqubah. One guy lost a leg up to his knee and another lost a foot in an IED blast that day. Talk about sacrifices! Out of seven Americans on that rooftop, one is going to reenlist! The rest decided to get out to avoid going to Iraq again, despite what Mike from Olympia, Washington said on your show about what real soldiers say, like "they want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country." All I see is a bunch of phonies!


This is Matt tugging on a buried wire connected to a massive IED underneath the road. In Baqubah they were so prevalent that the explosive ordnance disposal dudes couldn't take care of them all in the city, so we started finding them and blowing them up ourselves. Matt just finished his second tour, in which he was deployed a total of 27 months. This coward that followed wires to huge bombs in the road is getting out in a few months. And that's a good thing, as this military could use a lot less phony soldiers.


Here's Bill, digging up a grave containing a woman with her two daughters in a field in Baqubah. They were executed by gunshot and buried in the same hole. We took turns digging as the brave men of the Iraqi Army watched and joked. Bill also served 27 months in combat and like Matt, will be getting out of the Army in a couple months. Good riddance, phony!


This is Chevy in Baghdad. Brian Chevalier was going to reenlist but decided against it before he was killed on March 14 during our first mission in Baqubah. His phony life was celebrated in a phony memorial where everyone who knew him cried phony tears. A phony American flag draped over his phony coffin when his body came home. It was presented to his phony mother and phony daughter.

I would be in awe if I ever met a real life soldier, and not a phony one like Bill, Matt or Brian Chevalier. Thank you, Rush Limbaugh, for telling me the difference. I hope your a*s is ok.

http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-deal.html

Posted by: The Real Thing | October 2, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

CC - the mindless 11% ers who support mooooveon, Kos, CNN, Olbermann, and the rest of the loony left have commandeered this blog. even the sensible Dems have departed. Was it your intention to have a mirror site of Kos?

all the cutting and pasting from the Nation and the tireless repetative rants have scared off anyone with an actual opinion or original thought.

Was anyone satisfied with the content on yesterday's thread? It is heading down the same twisted liberal path today and always with the two mindless ignoramuses, IC and Rufas posting nonstop about anything that enters their vacant skulls.

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

As Rush found after dropping out of his first year of college at Southeast Missouri State University in 1969-1970, he found himself on draft status. Nothing that a claim of an old football injury or a boil on the ass can take care of, though! The medical deferment he was referring to was a pilonidal cyst, which apparently is a clump of severely ingrown hairs. That barred him from enlistment, and I'm sure he was ecstatic. After all, there was a war on.

Here's a first hand account of the surgery that was done to correct it. She claims that in eight weeks, it was perfectly healed. Rush is willing to sacrifice the lives of Americans in Iraq but not his own ass (literally).. I waited a year to get in, and he didn't try. Boy, do I really give an effort at being a phony soldier!

Speaking of phony soldiers, I wanted to show Rush a few that I know:

http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-deal.html

Posted by: GI in Iraq | October 2, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

zouk is a lying fascist. Why zouk? Unlike rush hannity coulter and o'reilly, your not being paid millions to lie daily

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

But intentions matter little in policy making. Wisdom matters infinitely more. And there is little wisdom on the left.

There is little wisdom not only regarding evil, but regarding taxation, the size of government, illegal immigration, the effects of affirmative action on blacks, bilingual education, male-female differences, boys' needs, high school textbooks (revised in the name of multiculturalism), reasons for violent crime and terror (unemployment and poverty rather than awful values), the promotion of self-esteem in schools, early sex education, early withdrawal from Iraq, and just about every other major social issue.

In each case, just as in the disastrous invitation to Ahmadinejad, liberals feel good about their intentions and therefore about their decisions. But few, if any, of those decisions are wise. This is not surprising. A generation whose primary goals have included overthrowing Judeo-Christian values, which once said, "Don't trust anyone over 30," and which has rejected external moral authority (God, parents, teachers, religion) is not going to be wise. And absence of wisdom is why Columbia University and the New York Times thought inviting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a good idea.

Posted by: dennis | October 2, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

zouk/dick or maybe it's zouk=dick

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

t was well written though, I have to admit, and almost looked real. It was a parody, wasn't it????

No, B202 -- that was real. If you look at that, and the other post about now Darrel Issa [R-Moron] is calling an ivestigation of the murder of Iraqi citizens by foreign [Chile and Honduras] Blackwater mercernaries an attack on General Petreus, you have to realize the repugs have simply lost their minds.

Posted by: Sam | October 2, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

the blog circles the drain everytime you show up, zouk...

you are the drain... you are a black hole of lies and hate and propaganda.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

For those who have ever visited Clintonland, it's sometimes hard to recognize the slickly-scripted, post-White House media personalities of the Clintons: the affable, smiling Hillary seen on the campaign trial or the laid back, take-it-as-it-comes Bill who periodically surfaces for softball interviews.

But every once in a while, there's a rare moment of clarity. That happened last year when Wallace interviewed the former president. At the end of the interview, Bill lost it. Suddenly the veneer was off, exposing the enraged, snarling, lunging Bill accusing Wallace of "do[ing] his nice little right wing hit job" when he forced Clinton to address his inability to capture or kill bin Laden.

Not a pretty sight.

And Wallace did it again in his recent interview of Hillary. Asked about the extreme partisan politics espoused by her and her husband, the real Hillary challenged Wallace. "Well, Chris, if you'd walked even a day in our shoes over the last 15 years I'm sure you'd understand."

Hillary preceded her passing moment of reality by a loud, inappropriate and mirthless laugh - a scary sound that was somewhere between a cackle and a screech. She was quick to follow it with a scripted recitation about how she wants to rise above partisanship. (Of course) But, in between, we saw a fleeting glimpse of the pervasive sense of victimization and self-righteousness that even now underscores the vicious partisanship with which both Clintons play the game of politics.

Amazingly, they seem to genuinely believe that they ar e still the targets of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" and that they are alone and under attack despite their manifest virtue and singular desire to do good.

You don't see this authenticity very often. Hillary's handlers have taken great pains to teach her the art of concealment, hiding her raw partisanship behind a smile and, when necessary, even a forced laugh. A laugh that's often too long and too loud.

And so, at the beginning and the end of the Wallace interview, Hillary sounded just like a laughing hyena. Watch the video on FOX News or YouTube. You won't laugh.

Posted by: Dick | October 2, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

And in trying to explain his odd behavior, Mr. Giuliani has only dug himself in deeper. On Friday he told David Brody of CBN News that since 9/11, when he and Mrs. Giuliani get on a plane, "most of the time . . . we talk to each other and just reaffirm the fact that we love each other." He admitted he had taken calls from his wife "before in engagements, and I didn't realize it would create any kind of controversy." That's hardly possible. Giuliani staffers say he has been warned over and over again that the phone calls are rude and inappropriate and have alienated everyone from local officials to top donors to close friends.

Posted by: the man is nuts | October 2, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

'More than 40′ Giuliani speeches interrupted by calls.
During a recent appearance before the National Rifle Association, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani rudely interrupted his speech to take a brief call from his wife, Judith, on his cell phone. Apparently, this is not a new phenomenon for Giuliani. John Fund reports today that it might not be a mere coincidence: "He has taken such calls more than 40 times in the middle of speeches, conferences and presentations to large donors." Giuliani's explanation for the calls from his wife? 9/11.

Posted by: so weird | October 2, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

just know the gop is silecning free speech. Has been for 60 years. Since the red scare of the fifites. My goal here, daily, is to show you how you are hypocrites. How you cry for me and liberals to be silenced yet you praise and do nothing about your own. Hypocrites. Like I've said. Once Rush Hannity Malkin coulter oreilly and fox news are gone, I'll leave. Do your part. Right your ship and I'll right mine. Hypocrite gop. The street runs both ways, or will. You can't silence all on the left and not expect us to recipricate.

If I am silenced so is your avatars. I pary for that day. Then we can have real political dialogue and come together as a nation again. We can grow without these FASCISTS who are making millions off dividing us. Psst. They are ALL on the right. The left are for bringing us together. The right is for divide and conquer for profit.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

CC, this blog is circling the drain because of these two. do something!"


AHHH poor baby. Cry to your fascists. MAybe they will silence all liberals. It is the gop's only hope.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Limbaugh draws GOP praise following "phony soldiers" flap: After smearing U.S. troops, House Republican backs resolution praising far-right blowhard - Yesterday, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) gave a speech on the Senate floor condemning Rush Limbaugh for calling troops who support American withdrawal from Iraq "phony soldiers." He urged his colleagues -- both Democratic and Republican -- to sign a letter of disapproval to the CEO of Clear Channel. Instead, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) -- who voted to criticize MoveOn.org -- has decided to commend Limbaugh. At 3:16 PM, Kingston introduced a resolution "[c]ommending Rush Hudson Limbaugh III for his ongoing public support of American troops serving both here and abroad."

Posted by: it becomes surreal | October 2, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

good point obama

"

Obama blasts senators who voted for war


By: POLITICO STAFF | 10/02/2007 12:38 PM
Candidate asks: "How can you give the President a blank check and then act surprised when he cashes it?"
"

Posted by: obama | October 2, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

100% rufas and Ignorant coward. another example of wasted lives and a ruined blog.

CC, this blog is circling the drain because of these two. do something!

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Uttering lines that send liberals into paroxysms of rage, otherwise known as 'citing facts,' is the spice of life. When I see the hot spittle flying from their mouths and the veins bulging and pulsing above their eyes, well, that's when I feel truly alive."

Posted by: Anne c | October 2, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

A forthcoming study by private-military contractor expert P.W. Singer obtained by TPMmuckraker finds that Blackwater and other private security firms in Iraq are detrimental to U.S. counterinsurgency efforts.

Singer, author of the landmark book Corporate Warriors: The Rise of the Privatized Military Industry, goes beyond the current Blackwater imbroglio to criticize the entire system for security contracting in Iraq. He finds that even though private military firms represent a hindrance to counterinsurgency objectives, the privatization boom beginning in the 1980s has left the U.S. military functionally dependent on the companies for numerous combat operations and logistics tasks. Private military companies have become "the ultimate enabler" for military commitments, Singer writes in "Can't Win With 'Em, Can't Go To War Without 'Em: Private Military Contractors and Counter-Insurgency," allowing a politically cost-free way for the U.S. to go to war in Iraq without a massive call-up of reserve forces.

What the contracting industry diminishes in political cost it compounds in actual cost to counterinsurgency. Iraqis view private companies like Blackwater as lawless, and they have no reason to distinguish between private contractors and U.S. troops -- thereby compounding the danger to U.S. forces from infuriated Iraqis.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Have you realized, good people, that those who run the republican party are completely insane?"

I've realized it. But who is crazier. The crazy person, or the man/woman who follows the crazy person?

The gop is done for 30 years. The next generation are not as dumb and fearful as their fathers and grandfathers. The days of racism, sexism and fascism ARE OVER GOP. Your done. Get back in the closet.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

'Blackwater co-founder Schmitz is a member of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, "a Christian militia formed in the eleventh century, before the first Crusades, with the mission of defending territories that the Crusaders had conquered from the Moslems."

So what we have in Iraq is a 'Christian militia' that's still fighting the Crusades. Have you realized, good people, that those who run the republican party are completely insane?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Dear VoteVets.org Supporter,

Maybe Rush Limbaugh hasn't heard, but there's a new sheriff in town - America's troops and veterans, who are not going to sit idle while he and his ilk demean the service of those who oppose the President's failed policy in Iraq.

Today, we're unveiling a new television and radio ad, taking Rush head on, for his contention that we're "phony soldiers."

VIEW OUR NEW AD HERE


The ad features Brian McGough, an Iraq war veteran who received the Purple Heart for a traumatic brain injury as a result of shrapnel he took to the head, in Iraq. In the ad, Brian makes it clear: "Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real. My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a "phony solider" to my face, stop telling lies about my service."

Maybe Rush was able to get away with such smears in the past, but those days are over. No one - especially someone who never had the courage to wear the uniform - is going to pass judgment on us and go unchallenged. He, and others, can expect that VoteVets.org will be right there to represent and defend the voice of America's troops and veterans.

We're taking this ad to places it counts and going on the offense. It will air tomorrow and Thursday on FOX News and CNN, and a radio version of the ad will air during Rush's show in select markets. Keep an eye out and ear open for it.

GO HERE TO VIEW OUR NEW AD


Please continue to support VoteVets.org and tell your friends and family to do the same. With your continued support, we will be sure to never let these smears go unanswered, and expose hypocrites like Rush Limbaugh for what they are.

Thank you for all of your support,

Jon Soltz
Iraq War Veteran
Chairman, VoteVets.org
"

Those thaat care about what is happening to this coutnry. Those that want to stop the people dividing this country for profit. Please help my boys out. Support the troops. For real

Posted by: get em Jon | October 2, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

gain Prince turned to his past connections. He was stationed for a period of time in Chile while in the US military. It was here that he tapped into another military source. Jose Miguel Pizarro was an ex-military man in Chile that Prince knew. Pizarro, an ardent defender of former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinichet eventually became Blackwater's main recruiter for mercenaries from Latin America.

Soon, other Chilean mercenaries, Colombians and Hondurans would become contract workers for Blackwater in Iraq. This raises interesting questions about the type of people that Blackwater employs, considering many of them have worked as part of military or Para-military organizations with records of brutal slaughter of innocent people.

Posted by: our face in iraq | October 2, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"without transferring one cent from any other campaign fund and with no money from federal lobbyists or PACs"

I would be interested in hearing the number of individual donors to the Clinton campaign, both overall and in the third quarter. i.e. if she raised this amount of $$ from large corporate contributors/PACs etc., I think we should be less impressed. And does anyone know how much she transferred from (I'm assuming) her Senate campaign fund - any in the 3rd quarter, or all earlier?

Posted by: Bokonon | October 2, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

don't look now dirty Harry Reed, ann coulter has a new book out. you might want to spend most of the day discusssing it on the Senate floor. anything to draw attention away from the head of the Senate, an elected official, clearly stating some time ago that the war was lost. this may also draw attention away from Murtha's slander of Marines, saying they were cold blooded killers.

this tactic may alleviate the pressure to actually pass spending bills and other legislation the american public expects. what is the sense of the Senate today Harry? Is the corn-beef good in the cafeteria? You should vote on it.

Posted by: senseless Senate | October 2, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"No one on the left is a slave to any avatar liek the left."

a slave to any avatar like on the right. Sorry. To fast

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"wow foxnews.com. That good "fair and balanced" journalism. Why to start off a "news" story

"WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats frustrated by failed battles against Republicans to change Iraq war policy are instead taking on one of the war's staunchest supporters -- syndicated, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh."
"

OHH you ment that , : B2O2 . My bad. What a joke. My problem with fox is they claim to be news. Fox is rush limbaugh on tv. Lie spin and discredit democrats and liberals. They will not let people make their own minds up. Their followers willingly call themselves "dittoheads". Sad day in america. My grandpa is one of them. If I get rush off the air do I free him of his external avatar? Yes I do.

That is the goal. Without fox hannity o'reilly and rush, the elderly and out of touch would be free to think for themselves for once. That is the goal. No one on the left is a slave to any avatar liek the left. We have people doing what they must, but we ar enot slaves to them. Teh gop is slaves to Hannity, rush, and o'reilly. Let's free them.

Go after the advertisers. Most business's are not in the business of giving propogandists a platform. Boycott them, picket them. That is the only way to strike back. The sentate is not going to do it. They will if it's a liberal. Only goper's have free speech. The rest of us have to pay for what we say. Let's apply the same standards the right applies on us, TO THEM.

Tjank you for that : B2O2 . Didn't want to misrepresent myself.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Washington - HILLARY Clinton has been accused of being too aloof or too serious, but now she is under attack about her laugh. Satirist Jon Stewart has run clips of the presidential hopeful's trademark belly laughs on his Daily Show on cable television station Comedy Central. On Sunday The New York Times wrote about "the cackle". By Monday night, her laugh had made the evening news and was being analysed by so-called serious political shows.

Posted by: the cackler | October 2, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"Rufus, please, please tell me that your post was a spoof of today's delusional GOP House members. It's pretty hard to believe they would even consider endorsing Rush Limbaugh's words after how much he has bashed our troops of late."

nOT A SPOOF. Just showing how dylunsional they are. They go after media matters for weeks. I am a former army infantry soldier. I am strongly agaisnt the war. Imagine my rage when the senate with many democarts votes to censure them for making truthful statements.

Rush has said many times that the military is 100% republcian. He spends all day lying spinning and discrediting. Lying to the eldery for profit. The post above is not a "spoof". It is to show these peopel how the gop is the party of fascist hypocrites.

Thansk for clearing it up. I don't want to sound like I'm for rush. Nothing could be further form the truth. My only goal here is to try and get rush and o'reilly off the air. Making millins off lying to the elderly.

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

you mean "Zoukwater!"

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Issa says, I'm here to defend General Petreus. The hearing is about murders of civilians by mercernaries. What does Petreus have to do with it?

How incredibly cheap and disgusting.

Posted by: Cal | October 2, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

This would be unbelievable, if repugs weren't capable of anything, but they are:

'It didn't seem at the beginning of this hearing that any part of Blackwater's operations in Iraq had a thing to do with MoveOn.org's "Betray Us" ad. But that impression didn't account for the vigorous argumentation of Rep. Darrell Issa.

Issa brought out a massive placard of the ad showing General David Petraeus and launched into a full-bore assault on his Democratic colleagues, who, he implied, ran the ad themselves in the New York Times. "What they couldn't do to our men in women in uniform," he said -- presumably meaning run their names through the dirt -- they'll now do to Blackwater. "I'm not here to defend Blackwater," Issa said with the utmost sincerity, "but I am here to defend General Petraeus and members of the military." (Blackwater contractors, by the way, make on average eight times more than U.S. troops in Iraq.)

The hearing is simply "a repeat of the MoveOn ad," Issa says, which seems to be the line the GOP is taking. One of Issa's GOP colleagues said that the Democrats first tried to discredit the President, then the U.S. military, then the Iraqi government and "they're trying to discredit contractors now." Several GOP members of the panel moved to adjourn the hearing, for fear of slander. Some kinds of slander, anyway.'

Posted by: the definition of demagogeury | October 2, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Rufus, please, please tell me that your post was a spoof of today's delusional GOP House members. It's pretty hard to believe they would even consider endorsing Rush Limbaugh's words after how much he has bashed our troops of late.

It was well written though, I have to admit, and almost looked real. It was a parody, wasn't it????

Posted by: B2O2 | October 2, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

There is a contradiction in your column. You quote Doyal as saying Hillary raised 27 million this quarter. Then just a few sentences later you say there isn't substantial difference between Obama's 19 million and Hillary's 22 million.
So which is it 12 million or 27 million? I still live in a world where 5 million matters. And how many million does it take to be substantially more than 19 million? Clearly 3 isn't it. Is 8 substantial?
This reporting of numbers is strange.

Posted by: Southern Girl | October 2, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the crazy's are out early.

Bill Burton's response to the numbers from Clinton's camp was masterful. Obama has done a pretty good job portraying himself as a "hero of the people" and the idea that his money came from "ordinary joe's" as implied by Burton reinforces that image.

Posted by: JasonL | October 2, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

TH, Mark, Bok, and others: The best I could find out about the Oil shale I mentioned earlier is by S&A Oil Report- The U.S. Govt's Secret Colorodo Oil Discovery. Take a couple minutes and look it over, charts and much supporting data. This subject was on a prior thread.

Posted by: lylepink | October 2, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a terrific candidate. His political powers are enormous, but it is too early in his career for him to be president. Hence his showings in polls and fund raising.

Hillary is more qualified for the presidency and therefore is pulling ahead. In the meanwhile, Obama is gaining experience and skill. I hope he will run again if he doesn't make it this time. Next time he will have more experience, name recognition, and skills.

Posted by: Southern Girl | October 2, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what happens to money that can only be spent on the primary election if the candidate doesn't get the nomination? I've asked this before, but nobody had an answer.

And in a related question, why would anyone donate general-election money now? Why not wait until after the nominee has been chosen? Maybe it's just a way to curry favor with Hillary, or inflate her fundraising numbers to make her look more impressive.

Posted by: Blarg | October 2, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how many lobbyists are among the donors on Hillary's haul? People will be looking over the list I am sure to see just who is there, especially the extra 5 million from those topped out in the primary.

Posted by: Lynn | October 2, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An Iraqi police officer who was directing traffic at Baghdad's Nusoor Square on September 16 said Blackwater guards "became the terrorists" that Sunday afternoon when they opened fire on civilians, an incident the Iraqi government said was unprovoked.

A 37-year-old Baghdad businessman and a father of four, whose youngest son was killed by a Blackwater bullet, said he wanted no monetary compensation but only for the guards to "admit to the truth."

The police officer and businessman on Monday gave CNN vivid descriptions of the incident in which a senior Iraqi investigator said 17 people were killed and 24 wounded.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

wow foxnews.com. That good "fair and balanced" journalism. Why to start off a "news" story

"WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats frustrated by failed battles against Republicans to change Iraq war policy are instead taking on one of the war's staunchest supporters -- syndicated, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh."

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

And given the shadyness of the Clinton's money trails in the past am I the only one that is waiting for the next scandal to rise up from them?

Posted by: Zonker | October 2, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

When Hillary's campaign coyly said last week that they thought they would be behind Obabma again was it not obvious to everyone that they would come out with a large quarter? I liked Obama's response about pulling money from other campaigns, PACs, Lobbyists, etc.

Posted by: Zonker | October 2, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

the blackwater posts are not mine. before you cowards start calling me the boggyman

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Support the troops, for REAL. Not to make yourself millions like the fascist gop.

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Maybe Rush Limbaugh hasn't heard, but there's a new sheriff in town - America's troops and veterans, who are not going to sit idle while he and his ilk demean the service of those who oppose the President's failed policy in Iraq.

Today, we're unveiling a new television and radio ad, taking Rush head on, for his contention that we're "phony soldiers."

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The ad features Brian McGough, an Iraq war veteran who received the Purple Heart for a traumatic brain injury as a result of shrapnel he took to the head, in Iraq. In the ad, Brian makes it clear: "Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real. My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a "phony soldier" to my face, stop telling lies about my service."

Maybe Rush was able to get away with such smears in the past, but those days are over. No one - especially someone who never had the courage to wear the uniform - is going to pass judgment on us and go unchallenged. He, and others, can expect that VoteVets.org will be right there to represent and defend the voice of America's troops and veterans.

MSNBC - Major General (Ret.) John Batiste on Rush Limbaugh
Major General (Ret.) John Batiste, a 31-year Army veteran, former commander in Iraq, and critic of the President's failed policy in Iraq, responds to Rush Limbaugh's charge that those who oppose the President on Iraq are "phony soldiers"
"

www.votevets.org

Posted by: Get em' Jon | October 2, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Blackwater was also able to tap into veterans of the US intelligence community. Cofer Black a 37-year veteran of the CIA, was hired by Blackwater in February of 2005 as the company's vice chairman. Black had been appointed by Bush as his "coordinator of counterterrorism, with the rank of at large ambassador at the State Department." Soon after that the company scored another big insider in the person of Joseph Schmitz. Schmitz, before joining Blackwater was tasked with the job of overseeing all war contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Schmitz, whose connection to war profiteers was well known, determined after his investigation that "there was no wrong doing" with any of the private contractors in Iraq or Afghanistan. For those who have seen the documentary Iraq for Sale, you know this to be a bold lie. Shortly after Schmitz exonerated his friends in the war profiting industry he announced that he was going to work for Blackwater.

Schmitz is also part of the inner circle of Theocons with Prince. In a 2004 speech Schmitz said "No American today should ever doubt that we hold ourselves accountable to the rule of law under God. Here lies the fundamental difference between us and the terrorists." Schmitz is a member of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, "a Christian militia formed in the eleventh century, before the first Crusades, with the mission of defending territories that the Crusaders had conquered from the Moslems."

Posted by: if this doesn't scare you... | October 2, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

This constant growth for Blackwater posed a problem, in that they were not able to keep up with the growing demand for training and providing mercenary forces for "security duty." Again Prince turned to his past connections. He was stationed for a period of time in Chile while in the US military. It was here that he tapped into another military source. Jose Miguel Pizarro was an ex-military man in Chile that Prince knew. Pizarro, an ardent defender of former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinichet eventually became Blackwater's main recruiter for mercenaries from Latin America.

Soon, other Chilean mercenaries, Colombians and Hondurans would become contract workers for Blackwater in Iraq. This raises interesting questions about the type of people that Blackwater employs, considering many of them have worked as part of military or Para-military organizations with records of brutal slaughter of innocent people.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Interestingly enough, most of the leadership at Blackwater is Catholic, albeit a conservative wing of the church that is quite reactionary. Erik Prince is personally connected to conservative Catholic groups like Catholic Answer, Crisis magazine, and a Grand Rapids-based group, the Acton Institute. But Prince has not abandoned his Protestant/Evangelical roots and is a close friend of Watergate criminal turned believer Chuck Colson.

They have shared the podium on several occasions, even once at Calvin College. According to Scahill, Prince is aligning himself with a new Catholic/Evangelical alliance called "Evangelicals and Catholics Together." The ECT manifesto states:

"The century now drawing to a close has been the greatest century of missionary expansion in Christian history. We pray and we believe that this expansion has prepared the way for yet greater missionary endeavor in the first century of the Third Millennium."

Prince's relationship to what Scahill calls the "Theocon" movement is not marginal. Prince himself writes about this relationship and it's importance, particularly with the mission of Blackwater. Prince says "Everybody carries guns, just like the Prophet Jeremiah rebuilding the temple in Israel - a sword in one hand and a trowel in the other."

The bulk of the book, however, is devoted to an understanding of Prince's creation known as Blackwater. Blackwater was created in 1997, but its growth was influenced by several events in the years following.

The first major event to propel Blackwater to the forefront of the "security" debate was the school shootings at Columbine in 1999. Blackwater responded by building a training facility called "R U Ready High" and that became a training center for local law enforcement training on rapid response to such incidents. The second event was the attack against the USS Cole in October of 2000. With Prince's connection to the Navy, he was able to negotiate a contract worth $35.7 million to conduct "force protection training." However, the biggest incident that propelled Blackwater to its current status were the attacks on September 11, 2001.

Blackwater was quickly providing training and gaining contracts with the FBI, the Department of Energy, the Department of the Treasury and even the Department of Health and Human Services. These connections eventually led to the agency's work in Iraq, which landed them their most high profile contract - guarding Paul Bremer in Iraq. This no-bid contract was worth $27.7 million that included "personal security detail and two helicopters for Bremer." Bremer is also Catholic and has maintained an intimate relationship with Prince and Blackwater even after his reign in Iraq. This symbiotic relationship led Bremer to create Order 17 as his last political act in Iraq. Order 17 in effect protects those in the private mercenary business from being prosecuted from any wrongdoing.

Once Blackwater made a name for themselves in Iraq business really took off.

http://www.mediamouse.org/reviews/041307black.php

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON -- The Republican Party, known since the late 19th century as the party of business, is losing its lock on that title.

New evidence suggests a potentially historic shift in the Republican Party's identity -- what strategists call its "brand." The votes of many disgruntled fiscal conservatives and other lapsed Republicans are now up for grabs, which could alter U.S. politics in the 2008 elections and beyond.

Some business leaders are drifting away from the party because of the war in Iraq, the growing federal debt and a conservative social agenda they don't share. In manufacturing sectors such as the auto industry, some Republicans want direct government help with soaring health-care costs, which Republicans in Washington have been reluctant to provide. And some business people want more government action on global warming, arguing that a bolder plan is not only inevitable, but could spur new industries.

Some well-known business leaders have openly changed allegiances. Morgan Stanley Chairman and Chief Executive John Mack, formerly a big Bush backer, now supports Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York. John Canning Jr., chairman and chief executive of Madison Dearborn Partners, a large private-equity firm, now donates to Democrats after a lifetime as a Republican. Recently, he told one Democratic Party leader: "The Republican Party left me" -- a twist on a line Ronald Reagan and his followers used when they abandoned the Democratic Party decades ago to protest its '60s and '70s-era liberalism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119127620102645595.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us

Posted by: WSJ | October 2, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

CC!. How many stories did you run about the republcians attacking moveon? WHY ZERO MENTION OF EITHER RUSH OR O'REILLY'S COMMENTS? What hypocrites you fascists are. America is not as dumb as you think. Your merry band or closet hom fascists is done

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse


'The reality is that Clinton's $22 million is not substantially more than Obama's $19 million. And Clinton's $72.6 million raised in primary money is still less than the $74.9 million Obama has raised'


Cr@p, 3 million isn't substantially more over 1 quater? 18% isn't substainly more, but we're suppose to be impressed, that Obama has 2 million more (less than 2.5%) over 3 quarter?
your bias is showing or are you just an idiot?

Posted by: barb | October 2, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

SACRAMENTO - A Democratic group filed formal complaints Monday with the Federal Election Commission and the U.S. Justice Department, accusing GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani of money laundering and violating campaign laws.

In the complaint, Californians for Fair Election Reform accuse Giuliani, through his friend Paul Singer, of establishing a "front" organization to solicit illegal donations to support a ballot measure that would overturn California's winner-take-all system of allocating electoral votes.

Such a change would provide the Republican presidential nominee a chance to pick up roughly 20 electoral votes by dividing them up by congressional districts.

Singer, a hedge-fund billionaire and a policy adviser and regional finance director for Giuliani, revealed last week that he was the sole contributor to the committee, Take Initiative America, which donated $175,000 to the ballot measure.

Posted by: rudy's dirty tricks | October 2, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Not only are the hypocrite republcians not going to cnsure rush as they did to moveon. They are singing his praises .Speaks volumes abou the state of the fascist gop.

"HOUSE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING LIMBAUGH
Mon Oct 01 2007 15:16:57 ET

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OCTOBER 1, 2007

Mr. KINGSTON submitted the following resolution

Honoring all Americans serving in the Armed Forces of the United States and commending broadcaster Rush Limbaugh for his relentless efforts to build and maintain troop morale through worldwide radio broadcasts and personal visits to conflict regions.

Whereas the need to show support for American troops serving and fighting both here and abroad during a time of global conflict has never been greater, with the need to communicate an uplifting message of encouragement to American soldiers eternally important, in addition to the morale-boosting value of personal visits to combat region by highly-regarded individuals;

Whereas every American, to include service men and women and broadcasters, is entitled to free speech and the free exchange of ideas; Whereas daily radio broadcasts reaching tens of millions of civilians and soldiers both in America and abroad by way of the Armed Forces Radio Network are conducted five days a week by Rush Hudson Limbaugh III;

Whereas Mr. Limbaugh has consistently used his broadcast time to praise American troops and support them during their ongoing efforts to secure peace in a troubled world;

Whereas Mr. Limbaugh has met with troops in Afghanistan; raised and donated millions of dollars to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation, which provides college scholarships to the children of Marines and veterans of other branches killed in action; features an "Adopt a Soldier" program which provides them with free subscription access to his online program features; and Whereas Mr. Limbaugh's commitment to American troops serving both here and abroad remains as strong as ever: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the House of Representatives, Section 1. The House of Representatives makes the following findings:

(1) Americans serving in the United States Armed Forces have volunteered for such service and have not been drafted for that purpose.

(2) Those who serve in the Armed Forces deserve the respect of all Americans for their willingness to undertake that service

(3) Those who serve in the Armed Forces do not relinquish their constitutional right to express their opinions regarding public policy in a manner consistent with good order and discipline.

Sec. 2. House of Representatives--

(1) recognizes the service of all members of the Armed Forces serving in good standing and with honor to defend the United States, and the personal sacrifices made by them and their families;

(2) commits to judge the merits of the opinions of members of the Armed Forces regarding the policies of the United States, including those related to military actions in Iraq, without prejudice or personal bias;

(3) commends Mr. Limbaugh's desire to see American troops achieve a successful outcome in Iraq, Afghanistan and wherever soldiers are stationed and his tireless public support for American troops and their families through radio broadcasts, fundraising and other public support;

(4) honors all members of the Armed Forces and civilian personnel serving in harm's way, as well as their families; and

(5) pledges to debate any supplemental funding request or any policy decisions regarding the war in Iraq with the solemn respect and the commitment to integrity that the sacrifices of these members of the Armed Forces and civilian personnel deserve.

END
"

Posted by: rufus | October 2, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

JOSEPH SCHMITZ, 49, became chief operating officer and general counsel of the Prince Group in September 2005 after a stint as inspector general at the Defense Department.

Schmitz was the senior Pentagon official responsible for investigating waste, fraud and abuse. Now he faces a congressional inquiry into accusations that he quashed two criminal investigations of senior Bush administration officials. The inquiry is continuing, according to a spokeswoman for Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.

A graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, Schmitz was a special assistant to Attorney General Edwin Meese III in the Reagan administration.

Schmitz's father, John G. Schmitz, was a two-term Republican congressman from California and a prominent member of the John Birch Society, an ultra-conservative group that flowered during the Cold War. He ran for president in 1972 as the candidate of the American Independent Party after its founder, George Wallace, was paralyzed by a would-be assassin.

John Schmitz's political career ended with the revelation that he had a mistress who bore two of his children. He then moved to Washington, where he bought a house once owned by Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

Joseph Schmitz's sister, Mary Kay LeTourneau, also became embroiled in a scandal. As a married teacher in Washington state, she went to prison after being convicted of having a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old student with whom she ultimately had two children. The two have since married.

Posted by: Prince Group=Blackwater | October 2, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Remember the Obama campaign said "AT LEAST 20 million.." The real numbers come out on Sunday.

Posted by: TNNY Gurl | October 2, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Right Wing Blogs Choose Their Favorite People.
By: bluegal @ 3:06 PM - PDT It ain't pretty, folks.

The top five: Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, Mark Steyn, and Newt?

And whoa: George W. Bush got more votes than Hannity and O'Reilly combined. Why didn't Hannity get Katherine Harris to do the vote tally for him?

A big hat tip to Liberal Values, who has more details here.
"

Posted by: spaeks volumes about the current state of the gop | October 2, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

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