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Huckabee's Money

UPDATE, 2:15 pm: Huckabee's numbers seem even less impressive given that Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) -- far more of a longshot than the former Arkansas Governor -- raised more than $5 million over the last three months.

ORIGINAL POST
One of the biggest questions as the third fundraising quarter closed over the weekend was whether former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Ark.) had been able to parlay his surprise second place showing at the Ames Straw Poll into a financial windfall that could boost him into the top-tier of the Republican race.

The Fix was handed the answer a few minutes ago -- and the news is decidedly mixed.

Huckabee will show roughly $1 million raised between July 1 and Sept. 30 with $600,000 left on hand, according to campaign manager Chip Saltsman.

Saltsman said that more than 80 percent of Huckabee's third quarter take came in after the Ames Straw poll in early August and that in the last week the campaign has done two $100,000 plus events including one Tuesday night in Texarkana. "The last couple of weeks have been very good for us," added Saltsman.

Unfortunately, Huckabee's total is probably not good enough. With former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) reportedly raising $8 million and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) expected to come in somewhere between $5 and $6 million raised for the quarter, Huckabee is still lagging far behind. (And that's before the former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney -- the race's frontrunners -- release their totals.)

Huckabee has never pretended to be a strong fundraiser and the reality is that Saltsman and the finance team started essentially from scratch when Huckabee entered the race. He collected $545,000 in the first three months of the year and another $766,000 between April 1 and June 30.

The reality is that Huckabee -- a small state governor with no national network -- was never going to be able to compete with Giuliani and Romney (and even Thompson) when it comes to money. But, it would certainly have helped his cause if he had been able to come within shouting distance of McCain this quarter, which he didn't.

Huckabee is still likely to have enough money to run an active (if not Rolls Royce) campaign for the Iowa caucuses early next year. His best hope is to pull off another surprise there and hope that builds his momentum financially and otherwise heading into New Hampshire and beyond.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 3, 2007; 12:50 PM ET
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Everyone has written off the Republicans. The fair haired one has not arrived yet. There will be a floor fight since no one of the current mopes will get enough states to get a majority.

And with Hillary virtually ordained, just watch the Republican slam machine kick into high gear when Gillespie steps back in.

By November, they will have the electorate believing the Democrats started the Iraq war and Hillary, Barack and Edwards want to Bomb Iran (btw-that's already out there in the press and on the web. The message is being set in peoples minds.)

These guys are slick.

I wonder though, if after the election the administration bombs Iran, say after next thanksgiving. Who could impeach them with 45 days to Jan 20?

Posted by: poor richard | October 5, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul is very, very intelligent. But he's just a plain idiot on the war, and for trying to get the GOP nod for that matter.

I actually hope Huck DOES accept a VP position with Rudy or Mitt. I think he could help balance and influence their liberal stance on some issues. I think its been pretty obvious from the start...Rudy vs. Clinton. Of course, my dream ticket would be Huckabee/Newt, but that's just asking too much!

Posted by: Jesse | October 5, 2007 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Why on earth is Paul "far more of a long-shot" then Huckabee? They poll about the same, except Paul's supporters are far more enthusiastic, and Paul has raised far more money, with a lot more cash on hand. I can't find your logic....

Posted by: What the... | October 4, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul has no chance of winning the election. He won't win the primary. If he does, he won't win the general.

First, the primary. Look at Ron Paul's positions. He's against the Iraq War. Will that make him popular among Republicans? Ideological Republicans, the ones who vote in primaries, are the only ones who still support the war. Paul is also a social libertarian; he's in favor of limited drug legalization, and isn't concerned about social issues like gay marriage. He's also not religious. So he's not going to get the social conservative vote either.

But let's say that Paul somehow squeaks through the primary and makes it to the general election. His positions are just too extreme for American voters. Paul opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He wants to repeal Constitutional amendments and eliminate Cabinet-level departments. He believes government shouldn't have anything to do with environmental standards or health care, though those are two of the most critical domestic issues right now. Oh, and he's never held statewide or federal elective office; Representatives never win.

No libertarian candidate has ever had any significant success. There just aren't very many libertarians in this country. Not among the Republican Party, and not among the electorate at large. There's no way that Ron Paul is going to win.

But that doesn't mean that his candidacy is useless. He's a message candidate, like Kucinich. Ron Paul's role is to bring up his issues to a national audience. And that's a good thing. Maybe his run will make more people into libertarians, helping to start a third party or push the Republican Party in a more libertarian election. Maybe if Ron Paul is successful, in 2020 we'll have a president who shares his views. But it's not going to happen in 2008.

Posted by: Blarg | October 4, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

First - Ron Paul. He has $5 million because of the young internet nerd "green party" weirdo types.

Someone previously mentioned money matters but votes count - that is correct. The average American hasn't even begun to pay attention. They're too busy working, earning a living, taking care of the family. They also do not have $2,300 to donate to a campaign. Don't be fooled by these early polls and the "money grab"...this nomination process is far from over.....at least on the republican side.

When the average American gets ready to vote in the primaries I really think Mike Huckabee will surprise a lot of people...money or no money.

He may not be getting a lot of headlines and dollars, but he's been on the ground meeting people and talking to people on the local level. As more regular voters began to actually watch debates...it will translate into a more national presence for the Huckabee campaign. Right now the polls just show name recognition. It's also important to note that more Americans live in rural/suburban communities than in major cities. What we generally see in mainstream media are the thoughts and feelings of primarily "city dwellers."

Posted by: Walter | October 4, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

How about Ron Paul raised over $5MM! That's more that McCain and Huckabee. Only Rudy, Fred and Mitt raised more.

I also want to see the cash on hand number for all candidates.

Posted by: Jefferson | October 4, 2007 3:38 AM | Report abuse

Now, now now Chris, you violated the first two rules of The FIX

Rule No. 1 of The Fix: We do not talk about Ron Paul.

Rule No. 2 of The Fix: We do not talk about Ron Paul.

Rule No. 3 of The Fix: If it's your first time here, you have to post.

I know it must of pained you to write about Huckabee's lack fundraising appeal (not to mention actually writing the fact that Ron Paul has five times more money than he does) but you were warned by yours truly not to drink the Huckabee Kool-Aid. You didn't listen and now you must suffer.

If you were at the Iowa Straw Poll like I was, you would have noticed the reason Huckabee did well was the support he got from the Fair Tax group that just happened to also have a big tent (complete with a ferris wheel) and presence at the event. Apparently they drew a lot of Iowans to the Straw Poll and Huckabee happens to support the Fair Tax. What a coincidence, he did well. Ron Paul spent less time and money in Iowa than any candidate in Ames and still got nearly got 1,400 votes.

But you ignored that. You ignored the grassroots supporters holding and or posting signs or passing out flyers. You ignored the big crowds at his events. You ignored the support he has on college campuses. You ignored all the straw poll results. You ignored all the internet sites and the meetup.com groups. You ignored the TV and radio and newspaper ads bought with money out of supporters' own pockets. You even ignored the plane that flew a Ron Paul for President sign above Michigan Stadium for two Saturday football games in a row.

Instead you tried to pump up Huckabee even though he has no supporters that do such things nor, as it turns out, anyone who will give him money. You forget Chris that as governor, Huckabee raised taxes and encouraged illegal immigration into the state of Arkansas to benefit his political patron, Don Tyson of Tyson Foods. These are not stands that are really popular among GOP voters. And Huckabee, despite his talents as a speaker and Baptist preacher background, cannot rally Christian conservatives completely to his side. This is not the sign of a successful camapaign. It basically a one-state camapaign now, everything concentrated on Iowa with nothing anyplace else. It was always a one-state campaign really. If Huckabee did poorly in Iowa he was finished. Ron Paul has supporters in all 50 states and in several countries around the globe. Ask yourself this question, what candidate on the GOP side has the most energetic and active grassroots support? Here's a hint, it's not Huckabee.

And now that you've missed the boat on Huckabee, you want to play down Paul's fundraising success? Maybe I should write The Fix. You're not doing your job accurately sizing up the field. Instead, you're letting your clear preference for one candidate (Huckabee) and your clear distain for another (Paul) color your judgement. Please, let the good Reverend's campaign die its quiet death and focus on true nature of the Republican race, the clear differences on the issues between the two candidates that have framed the debate and shaped the field: Guliani and Paul.

Posted by: Sean Scallon | October 4, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Chris - wow you are a sad man, Ron Paul raised 5x as much as Huckabee but you STILL call Ron Paul "far more of a longshot than the former Arkansas Governor"

Ron Paul, his platform and his record deserve your research and thought, not your ridicule. Here you have a real honest politician with a long consistent record (only changed his opinion on the death penalty) and all you do is ridicule him.

I understand this is a blog and you can be biased if you want, but it doesnt give you an excuse to be ignorant.

Posted by: demforron | October 3, 2007 11:33 PM | Report abuse

registration is fascist

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't get why there's a coalition of Christian conservatives treatening to run a third party candidate if RG wins the GOP. Why wouldn't they just back Huckabee? Does anyone here understand this?

Posted by: Lcs210 | October 3, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Mark -- good email. Registration, I imagine, would do wonders all by itself.

Posted by: Colin | October 3, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I propose the following draft. I will email it, as an attachment, on my letterhead to CC and to the publisher. I have left plenty of room for your editing. Have at it.
--------------------------

Dear Mr. Cillizza:

I am representative of several concerned posters to "The Fix". In recent weeks the serious commentary from every point of view
has been progressively stifled by as few as four self-absorbed posters. If you or any staffers have been paying attention,
you will understand our frustration. If not, at least ten posters are ready to cite you "chapter and verse."

We suggest the following two simple steps.

First, enforce the rules of the blog. Second, require registration at this blog site as is required by "The Trail."

If the disruption continues after you have enforced the rules and required registration, we will suggest more stringent steps.

We do not want to lose this website to persons intent upon using "The Fix" as a personal vanity page. But we do not have the power to stop or even slow them. You, on the other hand, may or may not have that power.

We only ask that you do what you actually can.

Posted by: Mark in Austin | October 3, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul is the only Republican who has a chance beating hillary because: 1) he was against the occupation of Iraq from the beginning. 2) he wants too end our global empire police work intervening into everybody's business.

I cannot afford paying for this nonsense. If people want to kill each other over land and religion that is their business not mine or our country's.

Our foreign policy is despicible, Hillary wants it, Dr. Paul says NO. Ron Paul 2008.

Posted by: Ron R | October 3, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

AbeForman--"It's also justice for what Huckabee's racist sister said to me at the Iowa Straw Poll. Apparently she thinks that all of us Jews know each other. She was quick to ask me about what church I belong to. And when I told her I was Jewish she asked me if I knew her friend who lives 200 miles away from me.

Perhaps I am rushing to conclusions by asserting that she is a racist. Perhaps she's just a moron and an ignoramus. In any event it stands to reason that her little brother Mike Huckabee is just like her."

The irony is delicious.

Posted by: roo | October 3, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The Huckster will be okay. The problem that he has or has had are not related to the candidate. It is his staff. Cutting corners on recruiting a good professional fundraiser has hurt him. He has had to go up against other more well-funded candidates with national name id. Bear in mind that Clinton was not known outside of Arkansas and here in East Texas. Never underestimate a genuine person who can relate to real people and offer solutions to their problems. Huckabee's numbers go up every time he debates and next week when Thompson has to face real voters look for many Fredheads to defect and correct many of the financial problems he has had. A strong finish in Iowa will make it difficult for Thompson, even with more money, to overcome Huck's momemtum.

As for Ron Paul, I have trememdous respect for him. He is the congressman from my grandparent's district. I have met him personally. Great man. I loved his campaign cookbook mailers. However, I will be supporting Huckabee regardless of money. Paul needs to offer realistic solutions to problems such as health care and how to balance spending with people's needs. Also, he is a very, very nice man yet comes across as grumpy, angry man.

God bless all our GOP candidates!

Posted by: Rob R. | October 3, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

i hear you kyran. But did you how the republican propoganda station cover's paul. They treat him like a pariah. Rush goes after him. Teh gop is a party of followers. Dittoheads, Ibelieve is the term. They do what they are told. And they are told to not listen to paul.

Wouldn't it be great to get these people to think for themselves? It is possible, by removing the avatars. They did it to themselves. Without rush and fox we can come toghter as a nation and do what's right.

Posted by: RUFUS | October 3, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The Republician Party better take a good look at Dr. Ron Paul. The grass root Americans LOVE his MESSAGE and the momentum is building like it did for another Ron, Ron Reagan. GOP Veteran(from the Ronald Reagan campaign) Dr. Drew Ivers is the Chairman of Ron Paul's Iowa Campaign now.
The Christian Right needs to take a careful look at Ron Paul and his message. If they would just study his message they would see that it is just what they believe in. The trouble is they just won't take the time.

Any red blooded american who studies his MESSAGE will fall in love with it.

Posted by: Kyran | October 3, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

As a Christian I believe that the reason Huckabee didn't do very well is because he is pandering in Christ's name. Christ did not get involved in politics, and politicians shouldn't claim to follow Christ and support pre-emptive invasions.

Republicans have a real problem this year. 40% of their base abandoned them in Iowa and their fundrasing is soooo embarrassing even the MSM isn't reporting much on it (to have some appearance of fairness).

Ron Paul is quite a surprise. Just the fact that his name recognition is so low and he received more money than McCain? How can this be? Reading more, Paul's average donation was $40.00. Something is going on there. How can a man have 10% name recognition and raise 5million$

Does that not go to say that if he had 100% name recognition he would have raised 50 million? The Republicans may not like his message but common sense dictates that they have a sure winner lurking about with i'll be damned 50,000 grassroots people... What are they thinking?

Posted by: Cinco | October 3, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Watching this angst over who will be the republican nominee is a little like watching the try-outs for the Jamaican bobsledding team. While amusing, it is unlikely to have any impact on the final outcome of the contest.

Posted by: Dijetlo | October 3, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I hear you jim. We need to work toghter. Both parties again. We need to marginalize rush o'reilly and fox, and all others who spends their whole day dividing us for personal profit.

And I was serious. how mnay d's are in Bush's cabneit? How many democrat's had power in BUSH'S GOVERNMENT before the 06 sweep? Not many.

My goal is to get rid of fox rush hannity and o'reilly. Without them, we can come tothger. There are many others. But the fall at the top would send a devastating message to the "divide and conquer" crowd. i cna garuntee any dem that get's elected will pull paul in and other republicans. Can the same be said of the republicans? that is why they are done for a generation, imo. They choose party over country. That used to be called treason.

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

rufus-

I don't know if your "Ron Paul earned a position in the next Democratic cabinet" statement was serious or not, but offering a Republican a spot on a cabinet would be a decent step away from the current polarization. A Democratic president could do a lot worse than offering Paul a spot where he could attack some of the civil rights violations (warrantless wiretaps, Guantanamo Bay, etc.) that we've recently seen.

Posted by: Jim | October 3, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The real race is Ron Paul vs the establishment, and let's hope that the people win instead of losing like they usually do. Donate as much as you can now to the RP campaign now, we won't get this chance again.

Posted by: brody | October 3, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

""Ron paul definatly earned himself a cabniet position in the next democrat cabniet."
Rufus I usually ignore your long cut and paste posts but that was a good one."


Wow andy. I'm glad I got your appoval. Thank you peanut gallery. Continue. What else? HAHAHAHA. You people are funny. I care about your feelings like rush/hannity and oreilly care about liberals. We are all americans. This is a verbal war. The internet and news is the battleground. I don't feel sorry for your moveoment in the slightest. you did this to yoursleves. As did rush and o'liely.

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Where is the article on the MASSIVE haul of over 5 million for Paul????

This is much more interesting and important than Huckabee, who will be gone in a month.

Ron Paul, the man the mainstream, war-mongering media loves to ignore.

Posted by: speed123 | October 3, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"At the end of that day, all the world's trouvles will be solved - only problem is only 11% of the voters agree and no one is willing to pay for it with their own money. "

We'll see zpuk. Your in for a rude awakening buddy. Generation X and so on are not as stupid as their fathers and gradfaters. Our fathers and grandfathers allowed themselves to be corporate slaves and give these parties the power. The power is ours to give them, not the other way around. Regardless of what happens in 08, zouk, you people will not win. The cowboy is dying out. The internet will ruin your plans of creating littel moron racist sexist fascists. You are a dying breed. " I WILL NOt LOSE" Nor will america and patriots. Traitors to the coutry, saboturs, are going to be labeled for what they are. Ship the zouk's/hannity's/rush's/oreillys of the world to austrila. Let then do what they will to each other. Without their sabotage we can do so much as a nation

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

""You cowards have balls. I'll give you that"

of course they do - they're the party of the Grand Oblong Pair. Rocky Mountain Oysters. Texas Teabags.
"

To bad you people have no brains or heart. Don't get to cocky. It's better to work smart than hard. It's better to be wise than ballsy. The ballsy guys are the one's who go to jail and get themselves hurt.

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I see the moonbat wing of the Lib party still can't fathom why Republicans do things.

answer - it isn't because it makes us feel good. It is because it is the right and correct thing to do. you ought to try it sometime. but then of course, you wouldn't be a Lib any longer.

I think it is a splendid idea that all you total moonbats go off and create your own blog. you can call it the Daily Kos. On it, you can all discusss how you are so much smarter than everyone, (except the ones who always beat you in elections), how your policies are so popular (except the ones that never have the votes), how you will end the war tomorrow (except all your candidates don't even say this anymore), how you will raise taxes on the rich and give to the poor (except Robin Hood was a criminal) how honest hillary is (cackle, cackle), how socialized medicine doesn't create shortages, how to eliminate corruption in the republican party.

At the end of that day, all the world's trouvles will be solved - only problem is only 11% of the voters agree and no one is willing to pay for it with their own money.

who to blame for that one - the evil Bush of course. Profits are evil, business is greed, religion is horrible, success should be punished.

Oh Wait, I just stole all the blogging for the first twenty days of your new blog. what will you post now?

Posted by: kingofzouk | October 3, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee needs to grab more cash. Respectability comes with beating Ron Paul.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | October 3, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Ron paul definatly earned himself a cabniet position in the next democrat cabniet."
Rufus I usually ignore your long cut and paste posts but that was a good one.

Jeff, I would say that your analysis of what could happen with Mike would be true in the past but with the congested early primary I just don't think he will have time to do that with out a couple million on hand.
I also agree that I think Huckabee would stick with his beliefs rather then run with Guiliani, but you never know. It is hard to say no when someone says "How would you like to be the Vice-President of the United States of America?"

Posted by: Andy R | October 3, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"You cowards have balls. I'll give you that"

of course they do - they're the party of the Grand Oblong Pair. Rocky Mountain Oysters. Texas Teabags.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

why waste our time talking about the gop, jeff? That piticular party is done for thirty years. The question now becomes, will the democrats follow the white rabbit into oblivian. If so a thrid party will bloth current parties out of the water.

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Wednesday October 3, 2007 08:34 EST
Adam Smith and the village's amusement at war
(updated below - Update II)

As Greg Sargent notes, Barack Obama delivered a speech yesterday which echoed many of the most common critiques made by bloggers of the political establishment. In particular, Obama emphasized that the fault for the Iraq War does not lie -- certainly not exclusively -- with George Bush and Dick Cheney, but rather with the Washington establishment as a whole. And particularly as the war has dragged on with no end in sight, the culpability of the Beltway Establishment generally has grown and become much more dispersed:

There are those who offer up easy answers. They will assert that Iraq is George Bush's war, it's all his fault. Or that Iraq was botched by the arrogance and incompetence of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. Or that we would have gotten Iraq right if we went in with more troops, or if we had a different proconsul instead of Paul Bremer, or if only there were a stronger Iraqi Prime Minister.

These are the easy answers. And like most easy answers, they are partially true. But they don't tell the whole truth, because they overlook a harder and more fundamental truth. The hard truth is that the war in Iraq is not about a catalog of many mistakes -- it is about one big mistake. The war in Iraq should never have been fought. . . .

[T]he American people weren't just failed by a President -- they were failed by much of Washington. By a media that too often reported spin instead of facts. By a foreign policy elite that largely boarded the bandwagon for war. And most of all by the majority of a Congress -- a coequal branch of government -- that voted to give the President the open-ended authority to wage war that he uses to this day.

"

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/greenwald/2007/10/03/smith/

Posted by: greenwald (obama) | October 3, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee has shown he can run on a very limited budget. He is in no danger of dropping out anytime soon. I suspect as long as he can afford plane tickets, rental cars and gets free media reporting on him he will have skin in the game.

As for reasons as to viability what I've heard time and again is 'I REALLY like Huckabee but he can't win' - ie he isn't a 'top tier' candidate. It's more to do with the perception that because he is so unknown he can't possibly win the nomination.

As to that question the game plan is pretty simple. Come in 2nd in Iowa. That will lead to doing well in NH. Then win South Carolina and carry the south (including my home state of Texas).

Is it a long-shot? Yes. Is it possible? Definitely yes.

As for VP my hope and prayer is he will say no to running with Rudy or Mitt. I would be disappointed if he choose power over his beliefs. From what I've read I feel pretty certain he would not.

Posted by: Jeff | October 3, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

You cowards have balls. I'll give you that.

"Melanie Morgan: Iraq war vet Soltz "undermin[ing] the real mission of our troops"
Summary: On Hannity & Colmes, discussing Rush Limbaugh's recent characterization of service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phony soldiers," Melanie Morgan asserted: "A number of soldiers who are fake or who are embellishers or who are posers, who go out there -- or soldiers like Jon Soltz of VoteVet.org [sic], who go out there and use their far-left, anti-American agenda, political agenda to undermine the real mission of our troops, our heroes who are out there, who are fighting in a hot war, who are fighting for our lives and for our security and safety.""

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"The man wants to eliminate, the Dep of Education, Health and Human Services, the CDC, social security, and Medicare to name a few. I mean Medicare is debatebly the most popular public program in the US. I will say though that he definitly stand by his belief since he has never accepted payment as a doctor from Medicaid or Medicare."

Word is born. out there on several issues. Paul will never be presidnet nor should he. Like me though he is a voice at the table that should not be ignored. Like me he must be there for balance. Those that would silence him , or me for that matter, are fascists.

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: AbeFroman | October 3, 2007 02:19 PM

Good to see the Sausage King of Chicago is still alive and kicking.
"

HAHAHHAHA. Abe Froman. "The sausage king of chicago"

HAHAHAH.

Good one.

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Ron Paul definitly has made a name for himself. I think one thing his total shows is that there is a significant anti-war contingent in the GOP ranks. "

Ron paul definatly earned himself a cabniet position in the next democrat cabniet.

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Paul is not a backer of warrantless searches, or Gitmo prisons"

Both of which are attached to his view of the war since that was why all of this got through the US congress.

The man wants to eliminate, the Dep of Education, Health and Human Services, the CDC, social security, and Medicare to name a few. I mean Medicare is debatebly the most popular public program in the US. I will say though that he definitly stand by his belief since he has never accepted payment as a doctor from Medicaid or Medicare.

Posted by: Andy R | October 3, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else here think Huckabee is running for vice? He brings the conservative bonafides, the south, and geo balance to a Rudy candidacy.

Of course, if it's Fred, no way, but he would balance Rudy (or Mitt for that matter) nicely. As someone just posted, he has few enemies...

Posted by: JD | October 3, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Actually, there are some of Paul's positions that I agree with... he's a reliable libertarian. But the busness community will never, ever allow him to be elected. Would cause way too much market volatility.

Posted by: drindl | October 3, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AbeFroman | October 3, 2007 02:19 PM

Good to see the Sausage King of Chicago is still alive and kicking.

Posted by: JD | October 3, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse


'50000 meetup.com members!!!!! Millions in Cash? Liberty Now'

so many exclamation points!!!!! millions in cash, apparently a question. when i hear the word 'liberty' come out of the mouths of this kind of person, i know it means 'get rid of all government so i don't have to pay taxes.'

of course, we would immediately be invaded by evey country on earth, but these folks don't think much about consuequences. why hell, they can take on the entire world, all by themselves!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Jeff, if Huckabee doesn't get some cash soon, he'll have to drop out.

But I'm puzzled by your reasons, or lack of it. 'reason' why do you think Huckabee is a poor candidate? I should think he would be just what you wanted?

Posted by: drindl | October 3, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Paul is not a backer of warrantless searches, or Gitmo prisons, Andy

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The truth is the Huckabee boomlet was nothing but hype, intended to deflect attention from the genuine grassroots support for Ron Paul. Paul just announced raising over $5million in the third quarter, which puts him even or maybe slightly ahead of the fading McCain. Paul might even be ahead of Romney if you discount the latter's personal funds.

Posted by: Gary Johnson, New York, NY | October 3, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

4Liberty,
Minus Ron Paul's views on the war name one issue that he supports that you think mainstream America will agree with? That is why he won't win.

Posted by: Andy R | October 3, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

One thing going for Huckabee is that he does not seem to have made any enemies.

JX's speculation above on the VP slot makes sense. Especially if Giuliani is the nominee and he looks for regional balance. It didn't help Kerry, but it would make sense on the GOP side.

Posted by: NonP | October 3, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Now can we all agree that Huckabee's Iowa Straw Poll showing was just a dead-cat bounce and stop trying to pitch him as "breaking into the top tier"?

Ron Paul raised as much or more than John McCain this quarter (McCain hasn't confirmed exact figures) and five times as much as Huckabee. If that doesn't move a candidate out of the "longshot" category, what does?

Posted by: Mr. X | October 3, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Jeff, you make a good point that christian conservative voters are very dedicated and Huckabee might be able to pull out a second place showing in Iowa. The problem is that he then wouldn't have the money to translate that 2nd place showing into anything in NH, SC or beyond due to the condensed calender.

Look I am not trying to say that it is impossible, but the realities of politics in this age of TV dominated Ads and flights from one side of the country to the other just doesn't bode well for someone that raised one-fifth what a fringe candidate like Paul did (although Paul is looking more and more like a force to be reckoned with).

Posted by: Andy R | October 3, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Why is Ron Paul more of a long shot than Huckabee?????

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Posted by: 4liberty | October 3, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee is slowly, slowly getting name recognition. If you google Gov Huckabee on Google News you will find alot of positive news stories pointing to exactly what some of your are arguing - he is the only viable choice for the Christian conservative base of the Republican party.

Being a Christian conservative Huckabee is the only viable choice for me. Honestly he just has to continue to get his name out as most of my family and friends are completely unaware of him (I'm doing my best :) But most are also not political junkies like me and simply aren't involved with the process yet.

Bottom line is although money matters, at the end of the day the vote count matters most. Christian conservatives are committed voters. As long as Huckabee continues to get his message out in Iowa I expect he will do very well. If Brownback were to leave the race and endorse Huckabee then I predict the governor leaves Iowa in second place. Watch and see.

Posted by: Jeff | October 3, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Why is Ron Paul more of a long shot than Huckabee?????

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Posted by: 4liberty | October 3, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee made about as much money as Dennis Kucinich (actually, a bit less, from what I hear)

Posted by: D | October 3, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul definitly has made a name for himself. I think one thing his total shows is that there is a significant anti-war contingent in the GOP ranks. Either that or the Libertarians have been saving their confederate money for a while now. This will also get Ron Paul another round of talk show appereances as the big suprise in the money race for this cycle. He won't win but this does mean that eventually one of the main candidates should take him to task and quit letting him walk through the debates unchallenged.

Posted by: Andy R | October 3, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Good post Chris, and good point on Ron Paul. I think that Huckabee, while no longer a serious Presidential contender, makes himself a strong case to be the Vice-Presidential candidate.

His record and personality, position him to be a good foil (in a positive way) to Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney.

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Posted by: John Xavier | October 3, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Good post Chris, and good point on Ron Paul. I think that Huckabee, while no longer a serious Presidential contender, makes himself a strong case to be the Vice-Presidential candidate.

His record and personality, position him to be a good foil (in a positive way) to Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney.

JX

Posted by: John Xavier | October 3, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

reason, do you want Huckabee to go back to Arkansas becauwse yu like him and wnat him to live to run another day or because yu think he is a bad candidate? whic way, and why?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Seems that CC can't bring himself to even reference Ron Paul in passing without telling us what a "longshot" he is. Enough already. You don't care for Ron Paul. We get it.

Posted by: Jim | October 3, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee would be better served to drop the Presidential race and head back to Arkansas. Whether he choose to run for US Senate or go back to preaching, it would be easier than fighting this losing battle for the R nomination.

Posted by: reason | October 3, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

'Please, for the love of everything holy, why does this man have a show?'

Because about one third of this country's population is functionally brain dead.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

only the eleft attacks. Here is a list of gop smear merchants that spend their entire day attacking liberals and domocrat, daily.


Gleen beck

Sean hannity

Michlle malkin

Bill Oreilly

Rush Limbaugh

Bill "The bloody" Kristol

Brit Hume

The beltway boys

Shep smith

Melinaie morgan

Ann coulter

and the list goes on and on and on. And least the left reports news, unlike the gop who must attack the messanger. they have nothing else. The gop is done for thrity.

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

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Put away your sharp objects. And then go to your happy place. I promise you, it is the only way to get through this piece of unadulterated excrement from someone whose entire brain pan is filled with terms he thinks are insults but that he doesn't actually know the definition of. Watch how his defense of Rush jumps from smears against Media Matters, to MoveOn to George Soros to "fringe left elements" to socialism. Socialism? So a socio-economic philosophy is now persecuting Rush Limbaugh? Stop. It hurts.

Please, for the love of everything holy, why does this man have a show?
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Posted by: http://www.crooksandliars.com/ | October 3, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Judge, Boko, Mark, et all..

I think Colin, andy R and Blarg are all right about Huckabee's financial support. I forgot he raised taxes -- to keep his states bond ratings from sinking through the floor, I beleive. But the R base really doesn't wnt to pay taxes -- any taxes. I honestly lthink they'd rather die. Certainly they'rd rather go back to the Middle Ages -- or more likely, the Dark Ages.

Repost from last thread:

I emailed Nick this morning -- but no response so far.

As long as 'our website' didn't carry ads I don't think WaPo would really care if we used their content. [Heck-- most of us could do quite a bit ourselves.] It's usally only a problem if you make money off their stuff. As far as advertising. it's very low in the political blogosphere now. My husband has had a political website since November 1999 [so I do know something about the way these things work] and we used to get a couple a thousand a month in ads, but spending has declined across the board except for the biggest, most well-establsihed blogs like Daily Kos.

What worked best for us re trolls, was if someone repeatedly offended others, they are just banned. If you can't act like a grownup, if you have to throw food,you have to leave the room.

Posted by: drindl | October 3, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I've been waiting for Huckabee's and Giuliani's 3rd quarter numbers to understand the direction of the presidential nominations. I'm surprised that Huckabee didn't attract more cash. On the GOP side of things, most of the soft news / pundit stories lately have been about social conservatives and religious values voters not having a candidate they can strongly support and I thought Huckabee might be just the ticket. Is there something about him I didn't catch - like he's pro-immigration or campaign finance reform.

Posted by: Jim S. | October 3, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

It's no surprise Huckabee can't get the support of that many Republicans seeing as how he's the most geniune. While he was campaigning on real issues the Fredheads were drafting Thompson to run as a "Suthern Cunservative". How's that working out for you Fredheads?

Posted by: Barrett | October 3, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I've been skeptical of Ron Paul's level of support, but I have to admit that's a pretty impressive fundraising total. Good for him. Maybe he'll succeed at making his ideals more popular in the Republican party. I still say there's no way he's going to win the election, but he's more of a message candidate anyway.

Posted by: Blarg | October 3, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul rakes in $5,080,000.00 in the third quarter!....That should serve the Huckabee camp a serious lesson in reality. It's also justice for what Huckabee's racist sister said to me at the Iowa Straw Poll. Apparently she thinks that all of us Jews know each other. She was quick to ask me about what church I belong to. And when I told her I was Jewish she asked me if I knew her friend who lives 200 miles away from me.

Perhaps I am rushing to conclusions by asserting that she is a racist. Perhaps she's just a moron and an ignoramus. In any event it stands to reason that her little brother Mike Huckabee is just like her.

Posted by: AbeFroman | October 3, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the info -- hadn't realized that Huck was also head of the National Governor's Association. Regardless, I suspect that Clinton's DLC connections were probably more helpful in securing funding. That and his amazing political abilities, of coruse.

Also, I agree that Huckabee's past willingness to raise taxes is probably the basis for his terrible fundraising. You gotta get the christian right to win elections, but if you don't repeat the proper tax mantra -- no taxes ever for anything -- then the money won't flow.

Posted by: Colin | October 3, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"a real conservative, a real born-again, anti-abortion -- everything the conservatives say they want."

Sounds like he's the perfect candidate for Dobson, Drindl. According to all the noises they are making if RG gets the R nod that third party candidacy is guaranteed. Huckabee is the least worst candidate on the R side so I'm sure they'll pick him. They'll peel off the vote of the American Taliban and make this election a cakewalk for the D's.

What follows is a paste of a comment from the previous thread.

"Drindl, Bokonon, Mark in Austin: I sent my e-mail address to the address FemaleNick gave us and she sent me back several responses along with a new address. I sent her a note at that new address. No response so far. She may be a night person or some facet of reality may have intruded on her plans.

My comment to her was that IF the WaPo fails to enforce it's own rules (which I still hope it will), have you considered how to do carry over the audience? Should we cut and paste the text of CC's blog (which, one could argue, is not part of the print edition and has no commercial value) on a new website and then enter in "For intelligent discussion of this topic please visit XXXXX.com" on the WaPo comment site. Not sure how well that has worked for Truthhunter and others who have tried to gin up traffic but if we regularly told everyone that all of 'us' (meaning our monikers) now posted there it might succeed. We'd probably get hate mail from the WaPo eventually but it would be a wonderful way of getting their attention."

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | October 3, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Mark, if you see this, I spoke with FemaleNick last night too, and am interested in what you she + Judge C were discussing. If you are in touch with her today, tell her to get back with more info if/when she has it - I'm not sure she is checking the email she gave me any more. If this is serious stuff, I have a more legitimate email address I can pass on to her and to you through her.
Also, yes, I will be glad to provide some input on a letter to CC tonight...

Posted by: Bokonon | October 3, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Colin, the same can be said of Gov. Huckabee. He chaired the Nat'l Governors Association, the Southern Governors Association and the Republican Governors Association. He's had a bit of national exposure.

Plus, you've got to remember, he did Leno before Fred Thompson!

As Fozzie Bear used to say, "Wokka, wokka, wokka!"

Posted by: Pompous Magnus | October 3, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thaddeus | October 3, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Drindl, here's a possibility: Maybe they aren't waiting for anyone. Maybe the regular Republican donors think they don't have a chance to win and want to save their money. The Republicans in general aren't doing well in fundraising. People just aren't giving much money to Republicans this election season.

Posted by: Blarg | October 3, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Colin, Huckabee was also head of the National Governor's Association.

He just can't raise money from the GOP. I think it may have to do with the fact that he has rasied taxes in the past. Eventhough the taxes he raised went to pay to take his state out of the Middle Ages it doesn't matter since that is where some of these no-taxes no-government folks want our country to go back to.

Posted by: Andy R | October 3, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

GOP defense. "I know you are but what am I"


Enough of these children. LEt's get a real third party. Where our representatives represent US

Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"I'm puzzled. Who are they waiting for?"

Drindl, me too! It's late in the game. People actually start voting in three months.

I tend to think that endorsements have little real value, but that doesn't stop candidates from seeking them, or supposed power brokers from giving them. Although this particluar group probably does have get consideration within their sphere of influence. But I don't see anybody else coming down the pike.

Posted by: NonP | October 3, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Calling the left looney Fred. That's no way to get my vote.

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Congressional Democrats are trying to divert attention from insulting our military leader in Iraq and pandering to the loony left by attacking Rush Limbaugh. He is one of the strongest supporters of our troops, yet Democrats claim he is not being strong enough. I wonder who General Petraeus and his troops think is most supportive?
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Posted by: rufus | October 3, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

That cool one million bucks Huckabee raised will pay for a lot of nights in the Holiday Inn and campaigning for President has to beat the heck out of working.

A great gig for an anti-government, pro-business, rugged individualist conservative.

Posted by: robert chapman | October 3, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, Clinton had served as head of the Governor's association AND as head of the DLC, so he did have something of a donor network in place.

I agree with AndyR that this is good news for Democrats. Huckabee would be a tough general election candidate.

Posted by: Colin | October 3, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

$1 mil? jeez, you cna't buy a cup of coffee in DC for that..

What is the problem? I really don't get it. As a Democrat, I thought he would have been a tough opponent-- a real conservative, a real born-again, anti-abortion -- everything the conservatives say they want.

And a bunch of them say they'll never support Rudy, or Mitt, and Fred acts like an old mule being pushed up a hill by his wife. So why isn't the Christian right jumping in to support this guy?

I'm puzzled. Who are they waiting for? Newt Gingrich? Jesus Christ? Nah, he'd be too liberal. That turn the other cheek and take care of the poor stuff just doesn't wash anymore.

Posted by: drindl | October 3, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I think Huckabee will get a lot of donations after the debates this month.

Posted by: John | October 3, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"The reality is that Huckabee -- a small state governor with no national network..."

In the early 90s there was another governor from that same small state that seemed to make it work and collect big money...

Posted by: corbett | October 3, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I stand corrected on my prediction of Huckabee being up to the game. He had a chance to really make a splash, and it barely made a ripple. I thought anything under 2 million would be a disappointment, but 1 million is nowhere near what he needed to soidify his place as a legitimate threat to winning the nomination.

Huckabee is the best speaker in the group hands down and his second place in Iowa showed that he can campaign in the retail politics it takes in the early primary states, but with the compacted calender he doesn't stand a chance anymore. Although he will be on the short list for VP's for McCain, and Guiliani.

On that same note, the Democrats should be doing back flips right now. IMO, Huckabee would be the hardest GOP candidate to beat in a general election due to his experience, speaking ability, and regional draw.

Posted by: Andy R | October 3, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to mention that Ron Paul is expected to raise between $3 million and $5 million in the 3rd quarter. If Ron Paul is a 2nd tier candidate, then Huckabee would likely be a 3rd tier candidate.

Posted by: Simon | October 3, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"With former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) reportedly raising $8 million and former Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) expected to come in somewhere between $5 and $6 million raised for the quarter..."

Last I checked, Senator McCain is Senator McCain, not former Senator McCain.

Posted by: Mike | October 3, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

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