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Is McCain Coming Back?



Does recent polling suggest a McCain comeback at the right time or something else? Photo by Ricky Carioti -- The Washington Post

Amid the wall-to-wall coverage of Barack Obama's $150 million fundraising take in September and the endorsement of the Illinois senator on Sunday by former Secretary of State Colin Powell, the campaign of his Republican opponent -- John McCain -- believes the media is missing one critical thing: the Arizona senator is making up ground.

McCain advisers insist that since last Wednesday's final debate in New York, their candidate has slowly but surely cut into Obama's edge -- carving a double-digit lead down to the mid-single digits in both national polling and surveys conducted in key battleground states.

While the final debate was widely cast by the media -- and by a series of instant reaction polls -- as a win for Obama, McCain's senior strategy team argues that it was, in fact, a critical turning point in their favor in the contest.

"That debate injected taxes, ideological difference and abortion" into the dialogue, said a McCain operative granted anonymity to speak candidly about strategic matters.

The result, according to the source, was significant gains for McCain among white men -- those with and without a college degree -- as well as with "soft" Republicans (a term to describe voters with only a loose party affiliation) and voters who consider life issues as central to their vote for president.

The bump-up in support from white men -- an absolutely critical demographic for McCain if he hopes to come from behind -- also explains the relentless focus on "Joe the Plumber" a.k.a. Joe Wurzelbacher, a man made famous by his confrontation with Obama last week.

Don't trust the McCain internal poll numbers? Look to a series of tracking surveys over the last week, the campaign argues.

Among the surveys they cite:

• An Oct. 19 Gallup tracking poll that shows Obama leading McCain 49 percent to 46 percent according to a "traditional likely voter model" it has employed for past elections which, Gallup's Web site explains, "factors in prior voting behavior as well as current voting intention." It's worth noting that among registered voters in the Gallup survey, Obama held a 10-point edge, and in the other (broader) likely voter model presented by Gallup the Illinois senator led 51 percent to 44 percent.

• A Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby tracking poll that on Oct. 11 showed Obama ahead 49 percent to 43 percent and, one week later, had Obama's lead at narrower 48 percent to 45 percent. Zogby, a favorite of Matt Drudge, is looked at somewhat more skeptically by some within the polling establishment.

• A poll jointly conducted by Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster, and Ed Goeas, a Republican pollster, for George Washington University that had Obama at 49 percent and McCain at 45 percent. That survey was in the field Oct. 12 to Oct. 16, however, meaning that only one day of polling for it was conducted after the Oct. 15 debate at Hofstra University.

• A CNN/Opinion Research survey out today has Obama at 51 percent and McCain at 46 percent.

Convinced? Is it possible that the McCain comeback is happening right under our noses and is not being picked up due to the media's focus on the possibility of an Obama presidency?

Maybe, but a detailed look at the polling and the national playing field suggests that McCain's growth -- to the extent he has enjoyed it -- over the past week is as likely due to a natural tightening as election day approaches as any sort of major surge in support.

From Sept. 7 -- the day that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were bailed out by the U.S. government -- through the first week in October, the news was unequivocally bad for McCain and his party.

Voters overwhelmingly blamed the GOP -- particularly President George W. Bush -- for the economic morass. McCain's numbers tanked nationally and in key battleground states (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida among others) as did the numbers for Republicans seeking Senate and House seats.

In that free-fall it's possible (and, perhaps, likely) that McCain's poll standing dropped below what any generic Republican presidential candidate could expect to receive in the way of support. During that period, voters who were almost certainly in McCain's camp before the financial crisis jumped ship -- heading either to the undecided camp or to Obama's side.

The last few days -- particularly given McCain's return to a very traditional "big government, tax raising liberal" attack against Obama -- may well have brought some of those voters who left McCain in a huff back into the fold as the debate reminded them of why they vote for Republicans in the first place.

But, simply re-claiming voters long expected to be on your side (and we are thinking of life voters in particular here) is not the same thing as turning a corner with critical independent voters -- either nationally or in battleground states.

While the polling outlook may well have improved marginally for McCain over the past week, the structural problems revealed in the most recent Washington Post/ABC News poll remain.

The election is a referendum on the economy and which candidate is better suited to correct its problems. Due to the strong sense that the country is headed off in the wrong direction AND the huge unpopularity of Bush, Obama is far better positioned to win the economic argument than McCain.

And, never forget the continued financial advantage that Obama enjoys over McCain. It's extremely difficult for a candidate trailing in the polls to overcome being outspent three to one and, in some cases, far worse without some sort of major external event intruding.

In sum, can we buy that "Joe the Plumber" and Obama's pledge to "spread the wealth" has helped bring white men back to McCain's side? Absolutely. Is it enough to change our current analysis that Obama is the clear frontrunner to be the next president of the United States? No.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 20, 2008; 12:40 PM ET
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I hate to say it but Obama would not be vacationing in Hawaii if his internal polling told him he might not win. Here comes at least 4 years of torture. To read what the radical Whig Party thinks of this and other issues visit radicalwhig.org.

Posted by: RadicalWhig | October 25, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

The only poll that really matters is the one on November 4.

The pollsters and MSM are trying to say it's all over and discourage GOP turnout at the polls on election day. I hope enough people are smart enough to realize that.

Posted by: NObama | October 22, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

No.

Posted by: FlownOver | October 21, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to ruin your McCain comeback theory, Chris, but in today's Gallup he's down by 7 in the traditiional LV model and 10 in the expanded model. And the latest Pew poll, which just came out, has McCain down 14 points. At this point, the only credible pollster showing a reasonably tight race is Rasmussen, which has McCain down by 4 among LVs. If you look at the Electoral College projections, it's not even remotely close--McCain is tied or behind in eight red states, and he would have to run the table, because the only blue state he's even trying to contest at this point is PA, where he's down by 8-13 points in the latest polls.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | October 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

SEN. MCCAIN SEEMS TO BE PANDERING TO THE WRONG GROUP --THE RICH ! Instead he needs to pander to the middle income and independents if he is going to win.

* Right now, Sen. McCain seems to be defending the rich against the middle class and independents. He seems to be saying rich people should vote for me because Sen. Obama wants socialism and to tax rich and give rich money to middle class and poor. This argument cant win Sen. McCain the election because he needs to be pandering to middle class and independents.

* I think a better way for Sen. McCain to present his argument would be to convince middle income and independent voters that his economic policies are in their favor and good for them!! SO, HE WILL HAVE TO CONNECT HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES ( also all other policies) TO THESE PEOPLE NEEDS !! (Eg: Sen. McCain economic policies will decrease deficit and burden on future and present generation; Sen. McCain tax policies will help businesses and thus create more jobs and wealth. OTOH, Sen. Obama policies will do opposite.)

BTW, Gov. Palin could possibly benefit by talking a little about basic and common morality without going to the extreme. Eg: drugs, smoking, honesty, spending time with children, sex/violence on TV, education, women stuff, etc.

Posted by: lazerboy | October 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

SEN. MCCAIN SEEMS TO BE PANDERING TO THE WRONG GROUP --THE RICH ! Instead he needs to pander to the middle income and independents if he is going to win.

* Right now, Sen. McCain seems to be defending the rich against the middle class and independents. He seems to be saying rich people should vote for me because Sen. Obama wants socialism and to tax rich and give rich money to middle class and poor. This argument cant win Sen. McCain the election because he needs to be pandering to middle class and independents.

* I think a better way for Sen. McCain to present his argument would be to convince middle income and independent voters that his economic policies are in their favor and good for them!! SO, HE WILL HAVE TO CONNECT HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES ( also all other policies) TO THESE PEOPLE NEEDS !! (Eg: Sen. McCain economic policies will decrease deficit and burden on future and present generation; Sen. McCain tax policies will help businesses and thus create more jobs and wealth. OTOH, Sen. Obama policies will do opposite.)

BTW, Gov. Palin could possibly benefit by talking a little about basic and common morality without going to the extreme. Eg: drugs, smoking, honesty, spending time with children, sex/violence on TV, education, women stuff, etc.

Posted by: lazerboy | October 21, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

My knowledge of politics aside, I do know a thing or two about the Harvard Law Review. Editors almost always publish one or more pieces in the journal they edit. They also publish in editions they do not edit. The just love to publish, publish, publish. So Obama is unlike any other editor of the Harvard Law Review. Get that, BB?

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

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Nor did he ever publish an article during his stint teaching Constitutional Law at Chicago Law School. We have no idea of his views of the Constitution despite the fact that he taught the subject as a law school lecturer for 12 years. Will his views be another surprise sprung on the American public come January?

Posted by: Verrazzano | October 21, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Ok, here is something to think about. After 911, if Bush has done anything, he has kept us with out another terrorist attack on american soil. Here is what Biden is telling Americans?
Joe Biden warned that America's enemies would test Barack Obama with an international crisis within six months if he's elected president - a shocking comment John McCain eagerly pounced on yesterday to claim Obama isn't ready to be commander-in-chief.

"Mark my words," Biden told donors at a Seattle fund-raiser Sunday night.

"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America.

"Watch. We're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

"And he's going to need help . . . to stand with him. Because it's not going to be apparent initially; it's not going to be apparent that we're right."

McCain treated Biden's comments as a gift while stumping across Missouri yesterday.

No thanks! McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 21, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

McCain may be having another small bounce, he did get one with Palin, but once Voters saw through her the euphoria disappeared, now we have a "Joe The Plumber" bounce, but how long will this last?

It is so important that Voters see through the right wing extremists of the republican party and do not fall for the attack campaign they continue to do on Barack Obama, no way can McCain and very quickly Palin lead the US back from the position we now stand in after 8 years of Bush.

There must be no complacency with poll leads the only one that counts is the result on November 5th, so we must get every Vote out for Barack Obama we can, we can't afford 4 more years of Bush Policy.

Posted by: jaybs1 | October 21, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Where do you get this little bit of precious analysis, pull it out of your anal pore?

"Is it enough to change our current analysis that Obama is the clear frontrunner to be the next president of the United States? No."

Obama could take a dump in the middle of Times Square and you would appaud it as performance art.

Posted by: fidel305 | October 21, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain will win. He is the man who can lead our country and protect our country. He is defender of our constutional freedoms. He is a proven servant of our nation, a proven reformer. I have confidence the american people do not want obama anti-God socialism. i believe the majority of us realize he is a man we cannot trust, a man who has even lied about his voting record on ranging from abortion to taxes.

Posted by: diaco7529 | October 21, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

McCain will win. He is the man who can lead our country and protect our country. He is defender of our constutional freedoms. He is a proven servant of our nation, a proven reformer. I have confidence the american people do not want obama anti-God socialism. i believe the majority of us realize he is a man we cannot trust, a man who has even lied about his voting record on ranging from abortion to taxes.

Posted by: diaco7529 | October 21, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

We tried "free market" economic anarchy for the last ten years. It was a predictable disaster. Republicans please put your hands where we can see them, and step away from the economy. Joe the "plumber" (AKA plant) and other undereducated experts, please take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth so we can fix what you broke.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 21, 2008 5:48 AM | Report abuse

Powell is a political opportunist.

Posted by: SweetNskippy | October 21, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

"Oh, and in addition to Warren Buffett supporting and advising Sen. Obama, the CEO of Google has now endorsed Obama/Biden. Another closet "Socialist?""

No, they just hope to get special favors. By sucking up to Ozero and donating to his campaign Google hopes to avoid an anti-trust suit. It's the way the game is played. AS we can see from this election, the price of purchasing the US presidency is one billion dollars. So you better have a lot of profitable corporations donating to your campaign if you want to get elected/reelected. Obama's feeling of joy doesn't come from biting the hand that feeds him, it's from imposing his little socialist views from the bottom up. Rich people will always be able to opt out of Obama care; they can also hire accountants to avoid taxes, fair or otherwise; they can segregate their kids in private schools. But Joe the plumber and his kid get screwed, cause that's fair. If most black people are poor, Obama's gonna screw the economy and make most white people poor too.

Posted by: greg3 | October 21, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"Ok, this argument spewed by the left wing loons is just mind boggling. How could anyone with an IQ somewhere north of 20 possibly believe an argument that if you smeer and discredit a person that asks a question that the completely absurd answer to that question somehow will not count."

Yeah, I mean clearly the plumber had an agenda, but there's nothing necessarily wrong with having an agenda. The scrutiny being shown to this guy is just ridiculous. I really don't care if he has a licence. (He should go and pay his taxes like the rest of us, though)

The guy is just a symbol. Nothing more. Let him go and vote McCain and go back to examining the candidates.

I don't believe in media bias, but I am a firm believer in media incompetence. This Joe the Plumber thing is a prime example. Personally, I'd rather get some more Jessica Alba coverage if these guys are just going to give us fluff.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

McCain is conceding Colorado.

f I posted anything more from the story, I would be rubbing it in, too much, again.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 21, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"Ultimately when it's all said and done, Obama will most likely have had about a $300 million spending advantage on McCain and most generic party polls show the Democrats leading with a 15% margin over Republicans. We have a Republican president with the lowest approval rating in history and yet John McCain keeps this race within single digits."

So two weeks until the election and we're playing the EXPECTATIONS game??

McCain does realize that there are no superdelegates for this thing, right?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Here are some facts on the issues. Obama's tax plan cuts $1000 for households earning $50,000 and $3,000 for households earning $100,000. McCain's tax plan cuts $721 directly and $5000 in heathcare rebate for $50,000 income bracket, and $2730 directly and $5000 in healthcare rebate for $100,000 income bracket. Obama keeps repeating the mantra he is for the middle class, and the media goes along with it. Obama keeps saying that the cost of healthcare for a typical family is $12,000 and McCain would tax the employees as income. Guess what, even in that case, it saves $4000 net for $50,000 income bracket households, and $3000 net for $100,000 income bracket. If many of you didn't know this, that's because the media never wanted you to know. Hmm, what do they care? They know whom they want in the White House, and He is leading now. Oh, about journalist's ethics...ha, ha, ha, does it really exist?

Posted by: ronniesmith123 | October 21, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

When I saw the headline in washingtonpost.com, I already knew that the author is going to conclude that McCain is not coming back. But, here is some news. McCain is crawling his way back in, and I know it is tough to swallow for some, who would seek ACORN to their aid. If McCain is trailing by say 5% or even 6% as the polls seemed to suggest, a change of 3% from Obama to McCain makes it dead even. So, don't be too sure counting McCain out. Some say that the latest VA poll gives Obama a 10 point lead, and IEM predicts 11% for McCain. But, here is the interesting fact. IEM was never going in favor of Obama in the primary until Feb 15, 2008 and then everything changed suddenly. In a moment's notice, these could change. So, for all you Obama hopefuls, let me say something. If democracry needs to survive, money, media bias and sleaziness should NOT buy the presidency. Let democracy be the winner.

Posted by: ronniesmith123 | October 21, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Netquist said "I am absolutely amazed that any thinking individual is still even talking about Joe the Plumber, it has been proven that he was a fake, a Republican plant, and a liar."

Ok, this argument spewed by the left wing loons is just mind boggling. How could anyone with an IQ somewhere north of 20 possibly believe an argument that if you smeer and discredit a person that asks a question that the completely absurd answer to that question somehow will not count. Charlie Manson himself could have asked the question for all it matters and we know he has no plumber license. It makes no difference. It's the absolutely horrific answer promoting a Marxist agenda from a candidate who is running for the most powerful office in this country that matters.

Posted by: ProudTexan | October 20, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I think the Democrats need to be nervous right now about this election. Historicaly, Democrats always tend to poll higher than they do in the election. Ultimately when it's all said and done, Obama will most likely have had about a $300 million spending advantage on McCain and most generic party polls show the Democrats leading with a 15% margin over Republicans. We have a Republican president with the lowest approval rating in history and yet John McCain keeps this race within single digits. ACORN claims to have registered 1.3 million new voters but more than likely has made 1.3 million voters so scared of being arrested for voter fraud that they won't approach a voting booth for the next 10 years. There is no such thing as a Bradley effect we are told by the press yet there sure appeared to be some sort of an effect in NH during the Democratic primary, call it whatever you want. Don't run out and spend your Obama welfare tax rebate check yet, more than likely it will never show up in your mail box.

Posted by: ProudTexan | October 20, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

It's peculiar the way people fight here over polls.

I can understand a fight over taxation or foreign policy.

The fights over polling evidence, though, are odd.

So what do you gain, if you win the argument about today's polls vs. yesterday's polls?

Posted by: officermancuso | October 20, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I am absolutely amazed that any thinking individual is still even talking about Joe the Plumber, it has been proven that he was a fake, a Republican plant, and a liar.

Wake up! I am a 61 year old white man from rural America, and I have supported Obama from the time Edwards left the field, and will vote for him in 15 days.

I don't buy into the conservative rhetoric and don't believe that most do. 80% of my county is Republicans, and at the local farmers coffee each morning we talk about the candidates, and I can assure you that a majority of even the White, Republican Men are voting for Obama.

Posted by: Netquest | October 20, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I think the latest Post poll says it all--McCain has gained one point in the last week--BFD--he is still 9 points back. Even if you look at the average of polls on RealClearPolitics.com, where he might have gained a couple points from Obama's high water mark, he is still 6 points back. A lot of wishful thinking.

Posted by: TRM1 | October 20, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"Your knowledge of poltics also seems to be limited. The last thing a candidate to elective office should do is brag about his/her test scores. It's about as relevant to the office as my relative position on the qualifier."

The case being made for Obama is that he doesn't need much prior executive experience, his educational background indicates that he is brilliant i.e. a fast learner. I'm saying that prestigious university degrees earned by minorities always have a question mark over them because of affirmative action. That's just the way it is: one Hispanic in my dorm at Harvard admitted that his combined SATs were 1050. That year, the average for our class was 1410.

My knowledge of politics aside, I do know a thing or two about the Harvard Law Review. Editors almost always publish one or more pieces in the journal they edit. They also publish in editions they do not edit. The just love to publish, publish, publish. So Obama is unlike any other editor of the Harvard Law Review. Get that, BB?

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I used to really respect John McCain. Years ago when he was trashed by Bush, I hoped that someday he would run again. Not anymore.

His thinking and campaign has degenerated into a set of overlapping conspiracy theories.

Truly. Think about the campaign.

Conspiracy theories about the news media.

Conspiracy theories about black churches.

Conspiracy theories about terrorist cells.

Conspiracy theories about socialism.

Conspiracy theories about the "anti-American" areas of America.

What is missing from the McCain campaign?

How about an honest appraisal of their own inept campaign and an admission that their failure in their own responsibility.

There is no secret conspiracy --- just a growing rejection by Americans who are sick and tired of excuses and blame shifting to the other guy. To conspiracies of other guys.

It is time for the McCain campaign to stand up and act like responsible adults.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | October 20, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

You betcha the race is tightening.

McCain discovered Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers.

Then McCain discovered that Obama is a socialist.

Now, at the last minute, McCain will discover that Obama is a NEGRO!

Posted by: moosejerky | October 20, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Scott Rasmussen reported that the lower 40 percent of income earners favor Obama's spread the wealth plan. Better earners disapprove of Obama's plan.

Here is stark proof of class warfare that Obama promotes.

As for myself, I prefer to pay my own way and not sponge off anybody. Mr. Obama, please do not send any checks to me.

Posted by: rodhug | October 20, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The Powell endorsement put an end to any mini-surge McCain might have had (or didn't have).

McCain will lose the popular vote by double digits - depend on it.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | October 20, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Right wing ideologues think reality has no business dispelling their delusions, so they blame "liberal media" when the corporate media can't slant the news to their liking fast enough and still keep up with current events. Advertisers and lobbyists have the same right wing bosses. Liberal media my eye. All I can find on my radio is bad music and Limbaugh clones
If McCain "wins" it will be because voter fraud protections were perversely used to commit voter fraud. Rove's been perfecting this crime for more than ten years.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 20, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

If it werent for the fact there are so many bigots in existence in this country, Barack would be 20 points ahead.This country has fallen in a deep hole, and he is the only one giving real answers to what he will do as president, Mac is just spitting out hatred and stump speech jargon with no real ideas, no real agenda on how to tackle the tough road ahead except for "Cut and Freeze, FIGH FIGHT FIGHT "
Cutting and freezing will do just that, take a bad situation and freeze it, no solutions, no actions taken, just sit there and stare at it.If Mac really thinks he can get anything done in Washington by kickin everybody in the shin, and then trying to negotiate humongous policy and financial deals with those he just got done kicking?? Does he really think Americans are that stupid? Sounds exactly like the pre-election speeches of Bush in 00 and 04, a lot of talk with no real action.
No 4 more, Not this time, Not McCain

OBAMA/Biden 08

Posted by: mullett | October 20, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

This election is far from over. Colin Powell lost his luster when he went to the U.N. and declared WMD in Iraq.He was as close to the top of the Bush government as you could get without being top man.He may be a respected General but as secretary of state he was weak.For many it will be Joe the Plumber over the General on election day. The general played the race card by not having enough guts to call his friend McCain and tell him he was going to Obama.He is looking for a futture role in government and Hillary is looking for Supreme Court appointment. Any bets

Posted by: musing | October 20, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Too funny that you think these polls are accurate. The left wing liberal media has you all snowed, and it's hilarious to see how gullible you can actually be.

Is McCain coming back? you betcha! ;-)

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 20, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse


does cillizza read his own paper?

Posted by: monk4hall | October 20, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

As I white male, I wish they would publish a book called Voting for Dummies for White Men, because they don't vote their rational interest. Most people will get a decent sized tax break under Barack Obama, and some independent white guys don't get it that Joe the Plumber is a last gasp diversion from McCain to make you think that you would do better with him. Reality is like most of the kids on the block who play sports you won't make the pros, you don't have to worry about the Democrats crimping your American dream, but the Republicans will never give you substantial tax relief. Wake up before we get our pockets picked by free market republicans and McCain for 4 years more.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | October 20, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

CNN/Opinion Research 10/17 - 10/19 51 46 Obama +5
ABC News/Wash Post 10/16 - 10/19 53 44 Obama +9
Rasmussen Reports 10/17-10/19 50 46 Obama +4
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby 10/17 - 10/19 50 44 Obama +6
Hotline/FD 10/17 - 10/19 789 LV 47 42 Obama +5
Gallup (Traditional)* 10/17 - 10/19 50 45 Obama +5
Gallup (Expanded)* 10/17 - 10/19 52 43 Obama +9
IBD/TIPP 10/15 - 10/19 1086 LV 47 41 Obama +6
GWU/Battleground 10/13 - 10/19 49 45 Obama +4

Posted by: PG4Obama | October 20, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I pay taxes, a lot of them, and would get a tax break from Barack Obama. McCain is using a crumb bum who owes back taxes to try and take down Obama. My tax break is earned, its not a rebated and its more deserved than that for the rich buggers who destroyed wealth under Bush McCain. Screw Joe the Plumber who is a skinflint who pays a freaking lot less taxes than me and is bellyaching.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | October 20, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain's promoted mortgage bailout will not work and will prolong misery because it doesn't deal with the income disparity that is the real root of the problem.

Adjusted for inflation, an hour of American labor buys 1/3rd of what it did 50 years ago. In the mean time, executive pay has ballooned from 20 times worker pay to over 411 times. The wealth produced by workers was taken by executives, invested, and then loaned back to the workers in the form of predatory mortgages.
The recent Bush stimulus package checks temporarily helped because they returned a small portion of what should have already been paid to workers.
McCain's rehashed red scare tactics exploit the obfuscation of income disparity. If corporate elites continue to starve the roots of the American economy, the tree we all live in will die. There is no need for redistribution of wealth, if wealth is distributed appropriately in the first place.
We need substantial tax incentives to reward businesses with executive/worker pay ratios less than 10:1, and to incrementally discourage businesses with ratios above 20:1.
We are the government, and we don't have to be shamed out of using our power to level the playing field. Business elites started a class war a long time ago. Workers create wealth. Regardless of what they tell you,executives don't. They just use what they've stolen to bribe and blackmail their way into maintaining the status quo. Let's stand up for ourselves and each other.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 20, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Check out this video of Islamic Republicans tell off some racist McCain supporters:

http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/racist-mccain-rally-goers-7-mccain.html

I'm a democrat but this is something I've wanted to see...

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 20, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and in addition to Warren Buffett supporting and advising Sen. Obama, the CEO of Google has now endorsed Obama/Biden. Another closet "Socialist?"

Posted by: bethechange1 | October 20, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

A couple of paragraphs from an article in the Chicago Tribune, a republican-leaning paper, about socialist who are complaining about Sen. Obama being labeled a socialist by the McCain campaign:
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"Obama is about as far from being a socialist as Joe The Plumber is from being a rocket scientist," said Darrell West, director of governance studies at the Brookings Institution. "I think it's hard for McCain to call Obama a socialist when George Bush is nationalizing banks."

And this from Bruce Carruthers, a sociology professor at Northwestern University: "Obama is like a center-liberal Democrat, and he is certainly not looking to overthrow capitalism. My goodness, he wouldn't have the support of someone like The Wizard of Omaha, Warren Buffet, if he truly was going to overthrow capitalism."
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Posted by: bethechange1 | October 20, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain's run for the Presidency will be on a par with his graduation from Annapolis, 5th from the bottom. A crummy pilot that sang to the Vietnamese, then dumped his wife when he got home. Who picks a VP that offends anyone with common sense or a college degree. And, who's not a Bush supporter, 10% of the time....

Posted by: ooxomoxoo | October 20, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Interesting couple of paragraphs in the Chicago Tribune, a republican-leaning paper about U.S. Socialists who are affronted that Sen. Obama is being linked with socialism:

"Obama is about as far from being a socialist as Joe The Plumber is from being a rocket scientist," said Darrell West, director of governance studies at the Brookings Institution. "I think it's hard for McCain to call Obama a socialist when George Bush is nationalizing banks."

And this from Bruce Carruthers, a sociology professor at Northwestern University: "Obama is like a center-liberal Democrat, and he is certainly not looking to overthrow capitalism. My goodness, he wouldn't have the support of someone like The Wizard of Omaha, Warren Buffet, if he truly was going to overthrow capitalism."

I realize the people buying the "socialist" attacks aren't operating on rationality, but here's hoping that maybe one can get their hypocampus working again.

Posted by: bethechange1 | October 20, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The media wants a horserace- what will bring the audience and what will bring the advertisers. At the end of the day, this conflict of interet has to be the reason that so much of the McCain-Palin BS has been given free pass. What does anyone know about Sarah Palin or the first dude- is the dude going to be as involved in the Fed govt as he was in Alaska. It would be good to know but she never goes on TV to talk.

Posted by: kranman | October 20, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

CBS Poll today (10/20): O up 13 among likely voters!

"In a poll taken just before the first presidential debate, the Obama-Biden ticket held a five point edge, with 48 percent of likely voters backing the Democratic ticket and 43 percent supporting the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Those 476 likely voters were re-interviewed for the new poll, and their responses suggest that the Democratic ticket has made gains since the initial survey: The Obama-Biden ticket now holds a 13-point edge, 54 percent to 41 percent, among the group."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 20, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD - textual analysis is a bit, umm, above my pay grade. :-) Trying to argue on a (social) scientific basis that Ayers ghost wrote Obama's is quackery.

I wound up editing conference proceedings by working with professors who organized the conferences. It's interesting work, though entirely unpaid.

My degrees are also in physics, though I'm sure Greg3 is unimpressed. Big 12 schools not quite having the panache of U Chicago, though the football teams are MUCH better. Then again, I knew a very successful MIT professor who got his start in Montana.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is not to be referred to as Sponge Bob. He prefers something more elite befitting his station in life.

His gay friends call him Miss Piggy.

Posted by: seemstome | October 20, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza asks: Is McCain coming back?
Not if the WP has anything to do with it.

Posted by: 12oreo | October 20, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Barack "Hussein" Obama. And George "Dubai Ports World," Bush. Like it or not, the majority of Americans and alienated Republicans are telling Palin/McCain, the little Chimp, and SpongeBob Rove to go pound it. Go back to Texas, Sedona, and Mooseville, and don't come back.

Posted by: ooxomoxoo | October 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Any given national poll is highly variable depending on who runs the poll and the population surveyed. More accurate are polls of polls like Real Clear Politics.com, FiveThirtyEight.com, pollster.com and election.princeton.edu. These comprehensive analyses show much less change from day to day. McCain has made minor progress in these consolidated polls but more importantly he has lost more ground in the electoral college vote. He will have to win all the toss-up states and take back some blue states to win. Not too likely- chances are less than 1 in 4 that he can do it.

Posted by: jeffl240 | October 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Zouk - you're probably off line, but how do you see the state by state polls? Even if you don't believe the polls, it's apparent that McCain does. Consider where he's traveling. It's clearly a campaign playing defense. Not that this can't be won, but I think you're stuck in the first step... DENIAL

Cheers

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Below is what we believe to be an insider "first look" at O's list of his first 530 appointments:

1. Secretary of State: Susan Rice
2. Secretary of Commerce: Warren Buffet
3. Attorney General: F. Lee Bailey
4. Secretary of Defense: Chuck Hagel
5. Secretary of Labor: James Hoffa
* * * * * * *
528. Special Assistant to the Undersecretary of State for South Ghanian Affairs: Mrs. Wm. J. Clinton
529. Assistant to the Special Assistant to the Undersecretary of State for South Ghanian Affairs: "Mrs." Billie Jean King
530. Deputy Assistant to the Special Assistant to the Undersecretary of State for South Ghanian Affairs: "Mrs." Mary Carillo

Oy.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 20, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade - sounds interesting. I'm more of a biology person myself (no editing work yet, though.)

I'm just more surprised how he does not apply any kind of scientific scrutiny to that article. Maybe to not know the job of an editor is one thing, but for someone to have a PhD in physics and yet have a complete lack of understanding of the scientific process is pretty definitive evidence that he is no scientist.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I will never understand why the Republican party is called the family party,the righteous party,because this is what the Christian right preaches and votes on. They actually believe what these scumbags tell them.This business of voting just on family values did a lot of good for us during the Bush years, I guess lying, adultery,business scams is not a problem with the christian right. If Obama loses you can put the race factor in to it,Christian politics.

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | October 20, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The silent majority has been missed by the media an many others have been to intimidated and fearful of instigating a race war to put on bumper stikers or signs in their lawns. Have you noticed that this year? Sure now due to lack of spending on this 2 year election.

Those are the Americans who belive and support America, not DAMN it.

Posted by: dhagen1 | October 20, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has been acting erratically ever since he selected Palin for his running mate. When the economy failed his behavior became bizarre. Stresses on any president in the next few years are going to be extreme . They will be fatal for someone in McCain's health and mental state. When he steps down we will then inherit his Palin fiasco.

Now Colin Powell has recognized these facts and has endorsed Obama as being a cool-headed and logical leader who is more fit for the presidency.

Kipling said it best:

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!


He was talking about men like Obama.


Posted by: seemstome | October 20, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The fact is Obama's tax plan is just a return to the PROVEN system
Bill Clinton used during the prosperous years of his term in office.
Bill Clinton left office with huge budget surpluses.

McCain's tax plan is just an extension of the PROVEN failure of the Bush tax system of rewarding the wealthy and corporations at the expense of the middle class. The middle class is now redistributing their wealth to bail out banks.

People like to argue theory and statistics but it's as simple as this: Are you better off now then you were eight years ago?

Posted by: seemstome | October 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign's dignity is gone without a trace. It's a complete disgrace and an insult to America.

Posted by: PA_DC | October 20, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't get too excited!

Only McCain qualifies for holding a Security Clearance. There is only one candiate running. The ONLY reason OBAMA is where he is is directly connected AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

He has ridden that horse to where he is. His folks have abused the system, OBAMA is the end product of a 30 Year plus program. The system obviously worked and is no longer necessary-----A big savings for we tax payers.

Posted by: dhagen1 | October 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

A majority of Americans will reject the media spin. Sen. McCain is qualified, Obama isn't. Sen. McCain is for small government, Obama is for high taxes, political meddling in the economy and Soviet-style health care. Sen. McCain's for judicial restraint. Obama's for radical activists. Sen. McCain is for school choice. Obama opposes authentic education reform. Obama says his number one priority will be the abortion industry's agenda. Obama's "change" is the same old same old.

Posted by: zjr78xva | October 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama is postponing his campaign for a good reason, his grandmother is dying.
He is going to Hawaii to be with her.

This guy is 24 karat.

Posted by: seemstome | October 20, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD - It's an optical engineering society (www.spie.org). Given our mutual friend claims a PhD in physics, he should know that editors don't appear as authors.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Tight races & competitions sell newspapers. Think of sports, does anyone sit around and watch a game where one team is absolutely dominating the other? It get's boring, people attentions turn to something else. Ad revenues gone.

It's in the media's best interests to promote the race as being "close"....... when it perhaps is not.

Maybe i'm looking at this the wrong way though. If Democrats think that Obama is 100% gonna win, maybe they'd get lazy and not vote. You know, the tortoise and the hare kind of thing :)

Posted by: Phatkat791 | October 20, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"I've edited about a dozen proceedings volumes for the SPIE."

What's the SPIE?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Those polls on November fourth aren't that reliable when republicans are the secretary of state. You know, like when Katherine Harris or Ken Blackwell are hacking and stacking the results to win.

Posted by: seemstome | October 20, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Greg3 - It's amusing to watch the food fight between you and DDAWD. Given your academic claims, it's surprising that you don't know the difference between an editor and an author. I've edited about a dozen proceedings volumes for the SPIE. I've occasionally contributed a paper, but usually don't appear as an author. That's because I'm the EDITOR.

Your knowledge of poltics also seems to be limited. The last thing a candidate to elective office should do is brag about his/her test scores. It's about as relevant to the office as my relative position on the qualifier.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the Mac-is-coming-back story line is the same false narrative that Drudge was pushing last week by linking to cherry-picked polls (whichever ones showed O up by the lowest number).

Chris, cut it out...

Even Drudge gave up the tactic this week, finally choosing to show the poll-of-polls number rather than some outlier poll showing the race close.

This reminds us of when the media kept telling us the O-HRC race was neck-in-neck many months after O had a mathematically insurmountable lead in elected delegates.

Look, there is nothing wrong with reporting poll numbers (that's good, like reporting the weather); there IS something wrong with pushing a false or dubious narrative to help one candidate, in your case, Mac, or to create bogus drama.

This is an excerpt from Gallup.com's front page today (10/20) about where the race is at:

"Gallup Daily: Obama’s Lead Edges Higher October 20, 2008
Gallup Poll Daily tracking now gives Barack Obama an 11 percentage point lead over John McCain in the presidential vote preferences of all registered voters, 52% to 41%."

The race is not narrowing -- although we understand the media has an incentive to pretend that it is to boost ratings and readership. The facts are: O is about 6-11% up. More important than the national polls is the fact that polls show O is ahead of Mac in every battleground ground state and trending upward, and this data is confirmed by on-the-ground information. In fact some media folks are planning to call it EARLY for O on election day if they can call VA for O early (since Mac can't win without VA).

Beyond that O is making inroads in states where no democrat ever dared tread, e.g., Georgia, NC. O is at least at 286 EVs in the most conservative polls, and at 360+ if toss-up states are counted for either O or Mac.

So to your question, Is McCain Coming Back? Short answer: no. Long answer: no.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 20, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

A REPUBLICAN HALLOWEEN TRADITION
THE OCTOBER SURPRISE

Race innuendos, terrorist stew
More Reverend Wright evil brew
No money left, do the sums
But something wicked this way comes

Palin opens her crooked mouth
To fan the hatred in the south
‘Kill him’ blurts from drunken gums
When something wicked this way comes

October surprise will tell the tale
Will Evil win or will it fail?
Karl Rove schemes with his vile chums
And something wicked this way comes

McCain has shown that there is nothing that he will not do,
nothing he will not say to get elected.

A man of Honor?

Corporations First, Country Last.


Posted by: seemstome | October 20, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"Polls are typically unreliable.

The poll next month counts, the one where REAL people go to vote. "

RealClearPolitics.com correctly predicted 49 out of the 50 states in 2004. The only incorrect one was Wisconsin which went to Kerry instead of Bush. The RCP average had Bush winning by 0.3, so perhaps that one was forgivable.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"It's the large number statistics that give these metrics their validity. With large enough writing samples it is suspicious to say the least that that two authors (who clearly interacted) will yield the same Flesch scores. It's not determinant, but it is highly indicative."

Give me proof that Flesch scores mean anything about ownership of writing. Remember that there are 100 levels of this. And when you figure that given their target audiences, you probably cut that range by about 75% at least.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

greg3,

I'm not sure that you understand Flesch-Kincaid. The test determines grade level.

In other words, the best the test could do would be to narrow the universe from say 6 trillion to the universe of college graduates (or more accurately those who write at the level of college graduates).

"Dreams of My Father" isn't an academic text, it's a book written for a general audience.

This is why your guy had to invent some dubious test called the "QSUM," which would further narrow down the universe.

The other problem here is that you're dealing with two different publishers and two different editors.

If anything the book is going to bear the editor's stamp and voice -- the odds of having two books written by the same author, but different editors -- and yet having similarities in voice and style is highly unlikely.

Yes, I know, your friends at WDN can find a conspiracy theory to square that circle, because, as we REALLY know, Ayers is not only the REAL author he was the EDITOR as well of both his books. Never mind that he wasn't able to convince his publisher to pick up his ghost written book. Thank God for tin foil.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse


Polls are typically unreliable.

The poll next month counts, the one where REAL people go to vote.

John McCain is a well liked and respected American Hero, who has always been his own man and fought for the middle class. He has the background, courage and experience to be a truly Great President.

The American people are not a bunch of left wing radicals who want even more taxes and even bigger big brother government of Senator Obama.

Next month we'll show up big!
For John McCain!

Posted by: chicago77 | October 20, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

you do know that Columbia is an Ivy League too, right? I'm sure as a Harvard student, you must have wondered why you two played each other in basketball so often, right?

Ivy = IV = Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Yale.

The Ivy colleges often admitted minority transfers junior year to boost their graduation percentages, to compensate for their high attrition rates.

You really are a hard core PC believer.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

greg3,

As far as measuring intellect goes, I mean come on, this is a criticism being leveled by a guy who cites WorldDailyNet as a credible source, and who gets snowed by acronyms. Not convincing.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Lady MacPowell

Like with Lady Macbeth's "Out, damn'd spot! out", Mr. Powell will never be able to run away from his own "spot"-- he was the point-man for the selling of the Iraq War. He was the one that sold to the UN the lie that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Also, I think that Mr. Powell's endorsement so late in the game is very cynical: he waited until Obama looked like a sure thing to join the "train of history". If Mr. Powell agrees with Obama that the War was a disaster and an unjust one, has Mr. Powell publicly apologized to the world for being the mouthpiece of the big lie?

If Obama is right about the War, then Powell has blood on his hands.

Mr. Powell, you are a traitor to your party, your country and yourself.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: dcpsychic | October 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"For god sakes, he uses sentence length and reading difficulty as his two metrics. You don't think that perhaps sentence length factors into reading difficulty? These aren't even two independent variables!"

It's the large number statistics that give these metrics their validity. With large enough writing samples it is suspicious to say the least that that two authors (who clearly interacted) will yield the same Flesch scores. It's not determinant, but it is highly indicative. Then you have the fact that Obama shows no prior evidence of literary skills. And the fact that he had such trouble even providing parts of a manuscript for the first publisher advance. I mean, even if he showed a promising start, he wouldn't have been dumped by Simon & Schuster.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWD: Testimonials about Obama don't cut it. I want evidence of high cognitive ability, and it's just not there. Hillary was a National Merit Scholar, so I know she's smart. But Barry transferred into Columbia his junior year from Occidental, which was a fairly mediocre school back in the late 70's. He even wrote a thesis but was denied honors. At Harvard, pretty much everyone who wrote a thesis got a sh*t-cum as the students would say. Also, he didn't get admitted directly to HLS from Columbia. He spent a few years making high level Lefty friends to recommend him. Another indication that he didn't meet HLS's baseline qualifications. If he did, he'd be crowing loudly about his LSATs, because baseline is a score of 170 (99%). But he doesn't. So let's face it. He's hiding a very mediocre intellect."

Well, if your premises + logic lead you to conclude that Obama has a mediocre intellect, then logically, your premises or logic must be flawed.

So let's face it. All black people aren't stupid.

(you do know that Columbia is an Ivy League too, right? I'm sure as a Harvard student, you must have wondered why you two played each other in basketball so often, right?)

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"That debate injected taxes, ideological difference and abortion" into the dialogue, said a McCain operative granted anonymity to speak candidly about strategic matters.

--------------------

In your dreams.....

Posted by: paulstewart | October 20, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD: Testimonials about Obama don't cut it. I want evidence of high cognitive ability, and it's just not there. Hillary was a National Merit Scholar, so I know she's smart. But Barry transferred into Columbia his junior year from Occidental, which was a fairly mediocre school back in the late 70's. He even wrote a thesis but was denied honors. At Harvard, pretty much everyone who wrote a thesis got a sh*t-cum as the students would say. Also, he didn't get admitted directly to HLS from Columbia. He spent a few years making high level Lefty friends to recommend him. Another indication that he didn't meet HLS's baseline qualifications. If he did, he'd be crowing loudly about his LSATs, because baseline is a score of 170 (99%). But he doesn't. So let's face it. He's hiding a very mediocre intellect.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Another off-topic note:

PBS tonight shows part one of the Lyndon Johnson biography on "American Exerience", 9PM in most time zones.

The older I get and the more I mull over "recent history" (by which I mean the last 50 years), the more I am fascinated by LBJ.

Should be good viewing for political junkies of any stripe.

I'm not being paid by PBS to plug this ;)

Posted by: officermancuso | October 20, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris: It looks like your article came out on the day when the same polls you mention indicate Obama gaining ground on McCain. In the battleground states, Obama has McCain on the defensive and making poor choices. For example, Obama's campaign staff put him in St. Louis and Kansas City over the weekend, drawing crowds totaling over 175,000 people. McCain showed up today in St. Louis and drew a whopping 2000 attendees.

Posted by: AKwatchman | October 20, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

mccain may not have to close any gap. www.straightrecord.com suggests the acorn flareup was little more than a setup, a prelude to efforts by republican groups to challenge voter registration in the lower-income zip codes around the country, creating havoc on election day and possibly delaying the outcome beyond nov. 4. sounds like a replay of 2000

Posted by: rapswork | October 20, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Given that McCain is now soliciting the Russian Government for funds I think he is a done dinner.

http://www.un.int/russia/new/MainRoot/docs/press/201008eprel.htm
(Official UN site.)

Posted by: sprayman46 | October 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWD:
If you have an informed critique of Jack Cashill's work, I look forward to your presenting it. Let me know where you plan to publish it.

My PhD is in Physics."

First of all, you do not have a PhD in physics.

My informed criticism is that he uses two measures and then purports that the author must be the same due to the similarity of these two scores.

Since you don't seem to think that there is any background legwork that needs to be done to legitimize this claim, there is no possible way you have a PhD in physics. That's like saying if two rocks have the same density and weight, they must be composed of the same element.

For god sakes, he uses sentence length and reading difficulty as his two metrics. You don't think that perhaps sentence length factors into reading difficulty? These aren't even two independent variables!

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

greg3,

Bottom line: QSUM is a joke on readers who are impressed by acronyms.

If the "methodology" had any credibility it would turn up in a two minute Google search in some academic or forensics study program. The guy made the term up, sorry.

As far as Obama's attendance at Harvard Law goes -- and his scholarship -- talk to Bush attorney Bradford Berenson or any of his other peers who worked with him on the Law Review (or do a "Google" on his comments).

The lunatic fringe gets published at WorldDailyNet. Even that Corsi guy based his book in large part on a guy -- Andy Martin -- who wasn't admitted to the Illinois bar because he was a head case diagnosed with paranoid delusions. That's the kind of "scholarship" you'll find at WDN. Ravings by certifiably crazy people.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"This is your evidence that Colin Powell benefited from affirmative action?

Yeah, I no longer believe you went to Harvard. You lied about that."

Powell also wrote a report whitewashing the My Lai massacre. If that doesn't show profound lack of insight, I don't know what does.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:
If you have an informed critique of Jack Cashill's work, I look forward to your presenting it. Let me know where you plan to publish it.

My PhD is in Physics.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

""So you're saying that poor students gain no useful skills in college?"

You can get your answer from Charles Murray's brilliant new book,
"Real Education: Four Simple Truths for Bringing American Schools Back to Reality"

Answer: No."

Well, I'm a little behind on my book list and at this point, there's really no way I'm taking recommendations from you. So feel free to clarify what I took as a despicable statement from you. Why are need based scholarship students so unable to contribute to society?

By the way, that school that you pretended to go to, Harvard, only offers need based scholarships.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's a view from the street. I live in St. Louis, MO. Obama was here Saturday and he drew almost 100,000 people, that's right, 100,000, at his rally. Even Obama was overwhelmed by the size of the crowd. Below is a link to see a photo, it was unbelievable! McCain was here today and drew about 5,000. Enough said.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/32AF634BACEB8BCD862574E7000C4E8A?OpenDocument

Posted by: bretb | October 20, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain is certainly trying to lie his way back!

He's still harping on about the bogus "Joe the Plumber" - the guy who isn't licensed to be a plumber, has never served an apprentice as a plumber, isn't a member of the plumbers' union, owes back taxes, and isn't even named Joe according to some reports. He's keeps yammering on about Obama being "socialist" - that's rich coming form a guy who has been feeding at the public trough for his entire life! McCain went to Annapolis for college, where he distinguished himself by graduating 4th from the bottom of his class, on the taxpayers' dime; he's received his medical care on the American taxpayer for his entire adult life,while some of those taxpayers can't even afford insurance for themselves; and with the exception of a year in a 'make work'job in Cindy's father's firm, he's received a Federal government paycheck his entire adult life. So, when it comes to benefitting from Government spending, John McCain has the average middle class American beat.

And why is this so-called 'socialism' for the middle class such a bad thing anyway? Afterall, we've had socialism for the rich and corporate America for the past 8 years? Afterall, turnabout is fair play.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | October 20, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

No, McCain isn't making a "comeback." For one, the Zogby poll that you're quoting above is back up to an Obama lead of 6%, not 4%. Even so, the Zogby poll is considered to be less reliable than the others anyway. (Feel free to put all your hopes in that poll, but don't feel sorry for yourself when those hopes get crushed. Zogby's been wrong, more than a few times, and often in a big way.) Never mind that though. If you want to quote that poll as a sound poll, and use it as evidence of a "comeback," then it looks like McCain is actually LOSING ground again.

Also, your own Washington Post poll shows Obama maintaining a strong lead. That's further evidence against a "comeback."

Regardless of the polls, Obama is hovering right around the 50% mark. Any movement that McCain may be seeing (and it's not clear that he is) may most likely be due to Republicans coming home, so to speak. Some of McCain's Republican support dropped after the 2nd debate, but he's gained some of it back. Though what he seems to have gained, he seems to be losing again.

Oh, by the way, the Collin Powell Effect may take another bite out of McCain's moderate Republican/independent support. Keep an eye out for that.

Posted by: associate20 | October 20, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"

"Colon" Powell is another affirmative action humbug.

From his Wikipedia article:

"In the early 1980s, Powell served at Fort Carson, Colorado. It was there that he had a major clash with General John W. Hudachek, his commander. Hudachek said in an efficiency evaluation that Powell was a poor leader who should not be promoted. Powell’s rising military career was unhindered by Hudachek’s evaluation report...""

This is your evidence that Colin Powell benefited from affirmative action?

Yeah, I no longer believe you went to Harvard. You lied about that.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"So you're saying that poor students gain no useful skills in college?"

You can get your answer from Charles Murray's brilliant new book,
"Real Education: Four Simple Truths for Bringing American Schools Back to Reality"

Answer: No.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"You just haven't read Cashill's articles. Do so. Then criticize. Your critique of Cashill's methodology is vapid."

I actually laughed when the guy referred to his own book as a "control"

If you find that analysis solid, I can assume that your PhD isn't in any of the scientific fields.

I had a sex-ed teacher in high school who had a PhD in "Health"

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"Colon" Powell is another affirmative action humbug.

From his Wikipedia article:

"In the early 1980s, Powell served at Fort Carson, Colorado. It was there that he had a major clash with General John W. Hudachek, his commander. Hudachek said in an efficiency evaluation that Powell was a poor leader who should not be promoted. Powell’s rising military career was unhindered by Hudachek’s evaluation report..."

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"As for providing scholarships for volunteer work, well, most college students who need this kind of help leave college with no useful skills so the kind of volunteer work they will do is kinda useless. Peace Corp, AmeriCorp, Teach for America, it's all the same nonsense: Money in. Nothing out."

So you're saying that poor students gain no useful skills in college?

Um, wow.

No wonder you vote Republican.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

JPRS: You just haven't read Cashill's articles. Do so. Then criticize. Your critique of Cashill's methodology is vapid. A quick Googling of terms does not give you authority to reject his analysis. And, Obama's campaign has yet to provide what we really need: evidence of his literary and logical ability like LSAT scores, SAT scores, or college transcripts. Since he published nothing in the Harvard Law Review he supposedly edited, I can only conclude that Barry is a big affirmative action humbug, who worked his way to the top of the Lefty Food chain through his connections, not his brilliance and executive ability: of which we have ZERO proof.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Colin Powell:

"I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say, and it is permitted to be said. Such things as 'Well you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.' Well the correct answer is 'He is not a Muslim, he's a Christian, he's always been a Christian.' But the really right answer is 'What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?' The answer is 'No. That's not America.' Is there something wrong with some 7-year old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she can be president? Yet I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion he's a Muslim and he might be associated with terrorists. This is not the way we should be doing it in America.
"I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine.

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2008/09/29/p465/080929_slideshowplaton16_p465.jpg

It was a photo-essay about troops who were serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in you can see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards, Purple Heart, Bronze Star, showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have a Star of David. It had a crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Karim Rashad Sultan Khan. And he was an American, he was born in New Jersey, he was 14 at the time of 9/11 and he waited until he can go serve his counrty and he gave his life."

End of quote.

Yes, I was also moved to tears by the remarks of General Powell.

I wonder how Senator McCain will end his remaining campaign next couple of days. Even Sarah Palin is troubled by his ROBOCALLS.

Posted by: kat7 | October 20, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Any supporters of Senator McCain may find
this opinion column in the London Daily Telegraph today a bit interesting.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2008/10/20/why_should_america_elect_barack_obama_as_an_apology_to_the_rest_of_the_world

You will NOT see this reprinted anywhere in our media.

Posted by: menopausequeen | October 20, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Nineteen terrorists infiltrate the U.S.
Thirteen get driver’s licenses.

The 9/11 plot depended on easy to get licenses.
Obama’s plan gives a license to any illegal who wants one.
A license they can use to get government benefits, a mortgage, board a plane, even illegally vote."

I'd love some of what you're smoking.

The terrorists who came to the US did so on student or tourist visas. The ones who got drivers' licenses did it perfectly legally then, and could probably do much the same today. Many states only require a valid foreign passport and *any* valid visa to apply for a driver's license. (Some exclude tourist visas, some don't.)

Having a driver's license by itself won't get you squat. To get a mortgage, you still need things like, oh, I don't know, a CREDIT HISTORY, maybe something like that. To get benefits, you need a Social Security number. To vote, you need to prove you're a US citizen or a permanent resident alien. None of those things have anything to do with a driver's license.

I guess that leaves boarding a plane, which is always the illegal aliens' transport method of choice, given the friendly welcome everyone gets from TSA at the airports nowadays.

(Pro tip: you can even fly without a driver's license. It's true!)

Posted by: suntzu2008 | October 20, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

We're Not Making This Up: 15 People Welcome McCain at Missouri Airport!

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/10/20/mccain-land-columbia-regional-airport/

If I posted anything more from the story, I would be rubbing it in... too much... again.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 20, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going out to pasture!!!
Palin is going back to the boondocks!!!
Republicans are going on antidepressants!!!
Conservatives are running out of time and lies!!!!!
It must suck to be you!!

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 20, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"Well, the one thing about him bowing to teacher unions is a myth. He has said multiple times that teachers need to be held accountable for performance. Furthermore, he intends on making it easier for people to go to college. Providing scholarships in return for volunteer work. Go to his website, you'll see what he wants to do."

First off, it's not Obama's job to hold public school teacher's to account, it's local school districts and parents. As for making it easier to go to college, Obama will simply pump more tuition bucks into universities, which will turn around and raise tuition. We've been on that gerbil wheel for 40 years. As for providing scholarships for volunteer work, well, most college students who need this kind of help leave college with no useful skills so the kind of volunteer work they will do is kinda useless. Peace Corp, AmeriCorp, Teach for America, it's all the same nonsense: Money in. Nothing out.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

greg3,

Wrong, I'm saying that divining authorship based on some readability standard like Fleisch-Kincaid is pure bull-sh-t.

Fleisch-Kincaid just gives a person a sense about what grade level a book is written at. So by administering the "test" to a complete text you find out that -- wow -- a book is written on a high school level.

QSUM is just a made up term invented by a guy like Cahill to fool readers who are easily awed by acronyms.

The most common use of the term is apparently for Quality Stereotactic Ultrasound and MRI-bioposy.

Writing for the WorldDailyNet is like writing for the Onion -- except its a little more mean-spirited -- because the authors never tip their hand and let their core readership in on the joke.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

There is no tightening of the polls. That is a figment of the McCain campaign's imagination and the media's use of their talking points. The new ABC/ Wash Post poll suggests the Obama lead remains the same and the new CBS poll has Obama up 13 points today.

Posted by: bluevoter | October 20, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going to win the election.


Obama: extra money will not change anyone's decision making - Obama is a lying deceitful person who attended a racist church for years and no amount of money will change any of that.

McCain is a strong leader - EXACTLY WHO THIS NATION NEEDS TO GET ON THE PATH TO PROSPERITY AGAIN.

.

.

Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 20, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse
-------------------
You are actually not correct. Mccain is a pathetic cowardly troll and has been his whole life.

JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.

Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
*********** ************* ************** *********** ***********
Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoseBNetlEk

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"JPRS: You seem to be saying that all ideas must have a politically correct pedigree or they cannot be examined on their own merits."

If it makes you feel better, the merits also suck.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

IT'S A MAJOR CONSPIRACY!!! REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS ARE PALIN' AROUND WITH OBAMA!!!

More Republican Leaders Abandoning McCain for Obama. And Remember all the Right Wing Columnists Who are Going to Vote for Obama.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/The_crowd_gap.html

If I posted anything more from the story, I would be rubbing it in... too much... again.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 20, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD,

The only way greg3 went to Harvard was as a legacy -- just like Bush.

I mean come on, citing the WorldDailyNet as a credible source?

Didn't they claim to have found Big Foot a month or so ago?

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S DISASTROUS PLAN: DRIVER'S LICENSES for ILLEGALS

Obama wants to give a driver's license to any illegal alien who wants one. The 9/11 plot depended on such licenses.
Nineteen terrorists infiltrate the U.S.
Thirteen get driver’s licenses.

The 9/11 plot depended on easy to get licenses.
Obama’s plan gives a license to any illegal who wants one.
A license they can use to get government benefits, a mortgage, board a plane, even illegally vote.

See it at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyocX-9_mo

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

JPRS: You seem to be saying that all ideas must have a politically correct pedigree or they cannot be examined on their own merits.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"What does that mean, Obama has made education a priority? We outspend the world on education, and the results are really pathetic. Democrats dominate the education industry. So maybe it's time to vote them out."

Well, the one thing about him bowing to teacher unions is a myth. He has said multiple times that teachers need to be held accountable for performance. Furthermore, he intends on making it easier for people to go to college. Providing scholarships in return for volunteer work. Go to his website, you'll see what he wants to do.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse


.


.

McCain is going to win the election.


Obama: extra money will not change anyone's decision making - Obama is a lying deceitful person who attended a racist church for years and no amount of money will change any of that.

McCain is a strong leader - EXACTLY WHO THIS NATION NEEDS TO GET ON THE PATH TO PROSPERITY AGAIN.

.

.

Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 20, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

"Thus spake greg3: "Dreams from My Father" is a fraud. Jack Cashill did a fantastic job analyzing the metaphors and style of the prose (using various forensic techniques like QSUM and Flesch-Kincaid Readability index), concluding that it had been ghostwritten by Ayers."

By the way, Cahill has a book that he wrote and wants you to buy. You didn't know? Well, you would if you wrote that article.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"Party officials go after Palin for abuse of power in a case where its actually a case of domestic abuse from a state trooper. "

Um, no. It was the Alaskan Legislature. Not a political party.

(by the way, the Alaskan legislature is predominantly Republican)

And yeah, to say its not an abuse of power case is also idiotic.

But them again, you clearly are a worthless waste of neurons.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"And Obama has made education a very important priority. That is BAD news for people like Bush and McCain.

Posted by: DDAWD"

What does that mean, Obama has made education a priority? We outspend the world on education, and the results are really pathetic. Democrats dominate the education industry. So maybe it's time to vote them out.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

It much more likely that Elvis Presley will make a come back before McCain ever does. As the song goes, “McCain ain't nothin' but an underdog a crying all the time...”

Posted by: FellowTraveler | October 20, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

greg3,

I see now Cashill writes for WorldDailyNet. That pretty much says it all right there.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Thus spake greg3: "Dreams from My Father" is a fraud. Jack Cashill did a fantastic job analyzing the metaphors and style of the prose (using various forensic techniques like QSUM and Flesch-Kincaid Readability index), concluding that it had been ghostwritten by Ayers.

This would be same Jack Cashill who wrote a seven-part series on the extreme right-wing blog WorldNetDaily claiming that anti-abortion extremists didn't murder abortion doctor Barnett Slepian -- only to have James Charles Kopp confess to the killing a few months later?

I would say Cashill's 'judgement' on these matter is a shade below "worthless".

Posted by: careysub | October 20, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

greg3 states:

" . . . and triggered by poor blacks and Hispanics walking away from their subprime mortgages and pay option ARMs when the rates recast."
________________________________________

Put away your racism, and learn to think for yourself instead of reading off the usual right wing fringe sites.

First, the losses incurred due to mortgage foreclosures by low income,less educated, blue collar, whites as well as by middle income, white collar, whites who engaged in multiple home purchases have contributed more to the mortgage bubble burst than losses incurred by blacks and hispanics. This is because of the larger numbers of whites in the general population. The issue here is not race, its income level.

Second, skip the party-specific blame game. Republicans were more than happy to boost the real estate market via subprime loans. Creating wealth through home ownership was the only thing that propped up the sinking economy since 2001. Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II, not to mention the Republican Congress circa 1994-2006 were only too happy to pump up Fannie and Freddie.

Finally, it wasn't Freddie or Fannie's problems that led to the global economic crash. Its been rubbish talk on the right wing blogosphere for awhile that the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) which required bank to make more efforts lend to blacks, hispanics as well as low income whites was responsible for the mess. That's garbage because while the CRA only applies to depository banks, the majority of the lending institutions that made subprime loans weren't, for example, entities like Argent and American Home Mortgage. These entities weren't regulated by the Fed, nor did they have to comply with the CRA. And these insititutions were the ones that worked with Lehman, Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, to whom the CRA again didn't apply. These financial institutions in concert with credit rating agencies (again to whom the CRA didn't apply) happily bought up packages of subprime debt to which slap happy high-grade ratings were applied, then turned around and bought high value, high risk assets. Who was the architect of this mess? A republican, Phill Gramm. Who pushed these loosened regulatory controls through? A republican Congress. Who further loosened them? A republican congress led by a Republican president.

So spare us your BS version of Subprime Economics 101. It may work in cornfields late at night in Idaho among burning crosses, but it flunks the laugh test in the real world.

Posted by: jaysit | October 20, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

For an interesting satiric visual double take on the McCain - Palin phenomenon see the website/blog:
http://fleetingmatters.wordpress.com/

Posted by: jacknoir | October 20, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I think the Democratic party may be dead. This election may be a watershed for a split the Democrats have brought upon themselves. It is now the party of misogynistic treatment of women such as Hillary and Sarah Palin. Democrat Larry Flynt is making a "rape"film of Sarah Palin and there is no word from the party.

Party officials go after Palin for abuse of power in a case where its actually a case of domestic abuse from a state trooper.

Any woman with common sense must decide whether the Democrats are the party of equal rights anymore.

Posted by: shedhair | October 20, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

i just don't understand why the obama campaign is holding back on palin. why don't they push the fact that the 'first dude' was a member of an alaskan secessionist group and, for that matter, the guv herself was somehow involved in the organization. but, perhaps obama feels that he doesn't want to lower himself as, certainly, mccain has done in the past couple of weeks. mccain seems to have lost all sense of dignity in the quest for the office of the president.

Posted by: dibick99 | October 20, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"Were you an undergraduate at Harvard?
I was.
Did you get a PhD from The University of Chicago?
I did.

And I'm voting for McCain."

I never said it was a 100% relationship.

But if only PhDs with Ivy League degrees voted, how close do you think this election would be?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

you've obviously not seen today's update to the gallup poll. OBAMA UP BY 11%. does anyone really think he's gaining ground??? and now with gen. powell's endorsement you'll see the number of undecideds go down.

Posted by: dibick99 | October 20, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse


McCain Employing GOP Operative Accused Of Voter Registration Fraud

October 20, 2008 05:03 PM
According to campaign finance records, a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the RNC and the the California Republican Party, made a $175,000 payment to the group Lincoln Strategy in June for purposes of "registering voters." The managing partner of that firm is Nathan Sproul, a renowned GOP operative who has been investigated on multiple occasions for suppressing Democratic voter turnout, throwing away registration forms and even spearheading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots to hinder the Democratic ticket.

In a letter to the Justice Department last October, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said that that Sproul's alleged activities "clearly suppress votes and violate the law."

That Sproul would come under the employment umbrella of the McCain campaign -- the Republican National Committee has also separately paid Lincoln Strategy at least $37,000 for voter registration efforts this cycle -- is not terribly surprising. Sproul, who has donated nearly $30,000 to McCain's campaign, has been in the good graces of GOP officials for the past decade despite charges of ethical and potentially legal wrongdoing.

But his involvement with the Republican Party's voter registration efforts has the potential to create a political and public relations headache at a time when McCain can ill-afford one. For weeks the Arizona Republican and his allies have been seeking to tie Barack Obama to the community organization ACORN, which they have accused of potentially committing massive voter registration fraud. Sproul's contract with the GOP ticket -- in addition to news of Republican officials attempting to suppress Democratic turnout in California -- raises, for some, questions about McCain's own efforts.

"It should certainly take away from McCain's argument," said Bob Grossfeld, a progressive political consultant based in Arizona who has followed Sproul's career. "Without knowing anything of what is going on with ACORN, there is a clear history with Mr. Sproul either going over the line or sure as hell kicking dirt on it, and doing it for profit and usually fairly substantive profit."

As Republican Congressman Chris Cannon summarized during a joint hearing for the subcommittee on commercial and administrative law back in May 2008: "The difference between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn't throw away or change registration documents after they have been filled out."

Indeed, Sproul's history is filled with allegations of political misdeeds. During the 2004 election, Sproul & Associates (the former name of Lincoln Strategy) was accused of attempting to destroy forms collected by Democratic voters in Nevada. That same year in Oregon, Sproul & Associates allegedly instructed canvassers to only accept Republican registration forms in addition to destroying those turned in by Democrats.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:
Did I read you right?
You're saying I belong to "they" as in
"It's why they portray college educated people as some kind of Ivory Tower ignoramuses. It's because they know that if people are educated, its the end of the Republican party."

Were you an undergraduate at Harvard?
I was.
Did you get a PhD from The University of Chicago?
I did.

And I'm voting for McCain.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"don't you mean teachers when you say this, in particular the unions. He cares not a whit about students. all the change he advocates is spending more on worthless administrators and flunky teachers."

Please elaborate using specific policy positions he has taken.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Of course THE ONE is, how else could he still be in the game this late with only a pair of twos as his experience? Its called bluffing or in political terms lying about your capabilities."

Obama's sitting on a full boat now, and McCain is trying to fill a double inside straight flush. Too bad his flop sweat is giving away his bluff, and his lipstick-covered attack poodle keeps peeing on the rug every time a bad card gets turned over.

Posted by: suntzu2008 | October 20, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

greg3,

Man, that's pure tin foil hattery.

Last time a political campaign resorted to literary criticism along those b.s. lines was George Allen reading "dirty" out of context passages in Jim Webb's novels. Didn't exactly turn the table for Allen.

I have no idea who "Jack Cashill" is (he sounds like a fraud) -- and I suspect the only people who will care will be people looking for an excuse to vote against their economic interests.

As far as the McCain campaign's statements go, it's pretty much par for course.

Will there be tightening of the polls in the end? You betcha. Could McCain still win? Of course. Is it likely? It's a steep hill to climb, especially if the current polling out of VA and North Carolina is accurate. If McCain is pulling out of Colorado too, he's got problems.

Posted by: JPRS | October 20, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps in your case it was not easy. a two year slog, loads of money spent, ballot boxes stuffed to the brim by ACORN"

Provide ONE shred of evidence that a false ballot has been cast as a result of ACORN.

False registration? Yeah, plenty of evidence. False ballot?

Yeah, if an ACORN member registered Mickey Mouse, you think that will lead to an actual vote cast by a Mickey Mouse?

Voter fraud is almost NEVER ballots cast by people who shouldn't be casting them. It is almost ALWAYS the prevention of ballot casting by people who should be allowed to do so. Many niggger communities suffer from this.

What ACORN did was bad, but it was not, by any means, the worst instance of voter fraud ever perpetrated on the American people or whatever bombast McCain spouted out like an idiot.

Personally, I'd have to say the Republican voter caging is far worse.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I follow the polls very closely and I think Chris hit the nail on the head. There's been some statistically significant tightening during the past week to ten days, but it's not significant in terms of altering the likely November outcome.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 20, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

And Obama has made education a very important priority. That is BAD news for people like Bush and McCain.

Posted by: DDAWD


don't you mean teachers when you say this, in particular the unions. He cares not a whit about students. all the change he advocates is spending more on worthless administrators and flunky teachers.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

jaysit: "Dreams from My Father" is a fraud. Jack Cashill did a fantastic job analyzing the metaphors and style of the prose (using various forensic techniques like QSUM and Flesch-Kincaid Readability index), concluding that it had been ghostwritten by Ayers. Also, there is no evidence of Obama's ever having previously written anything on the level of literary sophistication of "Dreams." Ayers worked a messy transcript filled with navel gazing into a somewhat inspired, yet highly uneven literary product. The other book I can think of like "Dreams" is "The Executioners Song" by Norman Mailer. Mailer processed the transcripts of extensive interviews done by Lawrence Schilling of Gary Gilmore, his family, the defense attorneys, prosecutors and anyone else who had anything to do with Gilmore's life, conviction, and death. The result was brilliant. On the other hand, a staple gun compilation of Schilling's stuff would have read horribly.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Young people are idiots, especially if they went to public schools, where they were taught a therapeutic multicultural curriculum instead of American History. Also, as advertisers know, they are very easy to manipulate, which is why the Hope n' Change bandwagon has been working ever so hard on college campuses to promote Mr Metrosexual."

You can always identify conservatives based on their attitudes towards education. They know that their path to power lies in the ignorance of the public. That's why they pretend to be the Joe Six Pack and deride anyone who pursues higher education as some kind of elitist. It's why they portray college educated people as some kind of Ivory Tower ignoramuses. It's because they know that if people are educated, its the end of the Republican party.

And Obama has made education a very important priority. That is BAD news for people like Bush and McCain.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

greg3 - Did you go to the Archie Bunker school of finger-pointing? It was the minorities and the poor and the immigrants and the young who have caused this mess?

Thirty years ago, Archie's routine was sort of funny in an "awww, look at how out of touch the angry old man is" kind of way. The world has moved on though, and it's not quite as endearing as it used to be.

Posted by: tsawyer_mv | October 20, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS REPUBLICANS CAUSED HOUSING COLLAPSE WITH STEALTH MONEY

AP Press Release........
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

Associated Press Release link follows

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 20, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The Post's headline is "POLL: OBAMA LEADS MCCAIN BY 10 POINTS" and you ask "Is McCain Coming Back?"

Ummmmm, hello, earth to Chris.

Posted by: dastubbs | October 20, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS REPUBLICANS CAUSED HOUSING COLLAPSE WITH STEALTH MONEY

AP Press Release........
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

Associated Press Release link follows

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 20, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

er...hormonal

Posted by: officermancuso | October 20, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

And now for something utterly off topic.

Does Joe Biden have some kind of personality defect that causes him to enthuse idiotically, or is it some sort of biochemical, hormal imbalance?

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 20, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS REPUBLICANS CAUSED HOUSING COLLAPSE WITH STEALTH MONEY

AP Press Release........
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

Associated Press Release link follows

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 20, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I am not easily misled. Have you considered that your epic self-confidence might be misplaced, or that some of the things you believe are really opinions rather than facts?

Posted by: ath28 |


Perhaps in your case it was not easy. a two year slog, loads of money spent, ballot boxes stuffed to the brim by ACORN, the angry left media looking the other way, a willful ignorance of facts, a hope for the unreal, the audacity of arrogance, a confused VP, race baiting, obfuscation, never answering a question.

I see what you mean. It must not have been easy for you.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS REPUBLICANS CAUSED HOUSING COLLAPSE WITH STEALTH MONEY

AP Press Release........
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

Associated Press Release link follows

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 20, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA COST TAXPAYERS BILLIONS with FANNIE MAE

Back in 2004, when the Republicans controlled the House, they tried to have a hearing on the threat that the financial mismanagement of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac presented to the U.S. economy. Here’s the video evidence of the Democrats blocking efforts to hold officials accountable. This problem did not get the publicity it deserved in the liberal media, such as the New York Times and the Washington Post. This incredible Congressional video shows Republicans in Congress trying to regulate better Fannie Mae and how the Democrats fought that tooth and nail, even referring to criticism of former chairman Raines as a "lynching".

Go to:
http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/09/it_wasnt_broke.html

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

jandcgall1: you sound like public employee looking for a pay raise.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Re: darin_holmes states:

THE RAW TRUTH-- QUOTES FROM OBAMAS BOOK--
DREAMS OF MY FATHER --by obama

quote- i will stand with the muslims should the politial winds shift in an ugly direction--
___________________________________________

Dear Mr. Holmes, you are either spreading a lie on purpose, or are yourself a victim of a horrible duplicitous scam.

First of all, there is no such book as "Dreams of my Father." The book is called "Dreams From my Father." Second, that quote is FALSE. It's been debunked by various independent fact finding organizations on the web and elsewhere. Please research your comments before you post them. It is never a good idea to copy and paste from ideologically motivated secondary sources. I am also urging the moderators of this site to remove your post. Regards.

Posted by: jaysit | October 20, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S TRUE GIFT seems to be to make complete strangers adore and support him. Oddly, even those he denounces support him. Terrorists organizations like Hamas sing his praises. Think Ayers and Wright don't support him? Hahahaha. Something tells me that Obama's denouncees are not taking his denouncements very seriously. They all know their beloved Obama just has to say those things to get elected.

Posted by: MichaelinAlaska | October 20, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Young people are idiots, especially if they went to public schools, where they were taught a therapeutic multicultural curriculum instead of American History. Also, as advertisers know, they are very easy to manipulate, which is why the Hope n' Change bandwagon has been working ever so hard on college campuses to promote Mr Metrosexual. What young people don't remember is how lousy America was under Jimmy Carter, and that's the America Obama wants to bring back, and then some. He wants to make the embarrassment of black underachievement disappear beneath a cloak of socialism and PC crimethink codes.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin the Political Scientist demonstrates an extraordinary ignorance of the Constitution of the United States, American governance, and American history.

According to Palin the Political Scientist, Obama's tax policy proposals are a “redistribution of wealth”, thus amount to "socialism." Palin the Political Scientist doesn't realize that taxation is a redistribution of wealth. She also doesn’t realize the Constitution of the United States Article 1, Section 8, and the Sixteenth Amendment authorizes Congress to levy income tax; that the Sixteenth Amendment is the bases on which the government is allowed to tax corporations and individuals at different rates. Good god, progressive income tax is not a socialist idea, it’s an America idea.

Further, Palin the Political Scientist doesn't realize that our income tax structure is a progressive tax (current scale: 10% to 35% based on adjusted gross income). If Palin the Political Scientist bothered to look at the history of income tax, she would know that the rates have change nearly every year and at one point the scale topped 90%; and that the number of income brackets [a modern invention] have varied from a low of 3 brackets, to as many as 15 brackets. Thus, Obama's tax proposal is par for the course—an historically American practice and not a new socialistic idea.

If restructuring tax rates is a form of "socialism" then we've been "socialists" since the colonial era: colonists paid taxes based on occupation; colonists with more lucrative occupations paid more taxes than those with less lucrative occupations.

Is Palin the Political Scientist suggesting we go to a flat rate (regressive) tax? If so, this favors higher income Americans, while hurting middle to lower income Americans—like her dear Joe the Plumber.

It seems Palin the Political Scientist and her fans don’t realize President Bush's Stimulus Plan was yet another form of “socialism” (redistribution of wealth). I'm curious as to the number of Palin and McCain supporters who protested this redistribution of wealth—how many wrote "VOID" across the face of their government checks and promptly returned them to the government? My guess is 100% immediately endorsed the back of their checks and promptly deposited said redistribution of wealth checks into their bank accounts. I guess ignorance is bliss—the idiots don’t realize they were the recipients of a redistribution of wealth.

Redistribution of wealth is a fact of life and it happens in a variety of ways: income tax; sales tax; fees and fines; stimulus plans; etc. McCain and Palin's sudden disdain for the “redistribution of wealth”, their ridiculing such as a form of "socialism" is disingenuous and outright laughable. They are banking on the ignorance of their fan base--then again, their fan base proves time and time again to be dumb as rocks.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a know-nothing, airhead, opportunist, puppet whose strings are pulled by the right wingnuts that have hijacked the Republican Party in its death spiral brought on by the disastrous Bush presidency. She is dangerous because the venality underlying her message is obscured by the “aw shucks” nature of the messenger. Demagogues and the fruits of their disastrous policies are born like this. With the country entering a volatile, downward economic period, the populace should beware of a peddler of simple solutions and the politics of blame and name-calling. We need to be smarter and more vigilant than 1930s Germany. I’m not confident that we are.

Posted by: ursadog | October 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S DISASTROUS PLAN: DRIVER'S LICENSES for ILLEGALS

Obama wants to give a driver's license to any illegal alien who wants one. The 9/11 plot depended on such licenses.

Nineteen terrorists infiltrate the U.S.

Thirteen get driver’s licenses.

The 9/11 plot depended on easy to get licenses.

Obama’s plan gives a license to any illegal who wants one.

A license they can use to get government benefits, a mortgage, board a plane, even illegally vote.

Go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyocX-9_mo

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

GeonLee:
Postion is spelled position

Democart is spelled democrat

Grousome is spelled gruesome

Anastasia is a woman’s name—why is it “evil” to perform an abortion without a woman named Anastasia present?

There is no need for a law to require medical attention for a fetus born alive—the Hippocratic Oath and medical ethics require doctors to administer medical care for any human—including a fetus born alive—if medical care is needed. The requirement is universal—does not matter in which state or country the doctor practices medicine.

As for Obama being liberal--I like liberals; I like moderates; I like conservatives. It's ultra-extreme conservative wackos who hate everyone and anyone--like you and Palin--who don't agree with their ultra-extreme views that I don't like. You and Palin make up a small minority. We moderates are the majority.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 20, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

King of Zouk,

You frequently accuse me (indirectly) of being brainwashed or duped. I am not easily misled. Have you considered that your epic self-confidence might be misplaced, or that some of the things you believe are really opinions rather than facts?

Posted by: ath28 | October 20, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Hi HemiHead66:

And also according to the Federal Election Commission since 2001 banks and financial institutions donated 1.1 billion to the campaigns of both Republican and Democratic pols but the majority of that went to the Republicans.

This story was reported in the Los Angeles Times but I guess because that's "mainstream media" the Right doesn't pay attention to it.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-polmoney23-2008sep23,0,1365898.story

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules said
re: Spread the Wealth Around = Socialism

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.”

I guess, Joe the Plumber gets this.
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Does he really?

If so, then Joe the Plumber should know that as someone making only $40,000 annually (and by the looks of it, unlikely to make much more any time soon), he's a prime recipient of some of that wealth being spread around. His current tax burden is kept low because those in higher income brackets pay more; he can claim a tax deduction for his kid because those of us without kids pick up the slack. Those of us who live in the rich Northeastern and west coast states pick up the slack for those living in rust belt states, poor states of the deep south - and Alaska. So, there already is plenty of income redistribution. Its the way any functioning democracy works.

Moreover, Joe speaks poorly of social security, yet by the looks of it, his parents depend on it, as will he. His statement - "Social Security is a joke . . . let me take my money and invest it how I please" - is th real joke here because Joe the plumber has no investments or savings, nor the ability to invest. And if it weren't for public education, he'd barely be able to send his kid to school.

But unlike other Americans who pay their taxes even when they make less than $40,000, Joe is too arrogant to bother. Having dreams of owning his own business in the future doesn't excuse Joe from paying his taxes now.

Sorry, but Joe doesn't get it. Not one bit. And if the Republicans are trotting out this loser as a paragon of American virtue, then they've lost their minds.

Posted by: jaysit | October 20, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but Obama's national lead has WIDENED according to the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released at 10:00 AM this morning:

Lastest Poll Results:

National CNN/Opinion Research Obama 51, McCain 46 Obama +5

National Rasmussen Reports Obama 50, McCain 46 Obama +4

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby National Obama 50, McCain 44 Obama +6

Posted by: cloakedknight | October 20, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but Obama's national lead has WIDENED according to the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released at 10:00 AM this morning:

Lastest Poll Results:

National CNN/Opinion Research Obama 51, McCain 46 Obama +5

National Rasmussen Reports Obama 50, McCain 46 Obama +4

National Obama 50, McCain 44 Obama +6

Posted by: cloakedknight | October 20, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If more people know that Obama is the MOST LIBERAL SENATOR with DEEP CONNECTIONS TO PEOPLE WHO HATE AMERICA, OBAMA WILL LOOSE THE ELECTION.

Obama is also THE MOST PRO-ABORTION candidate in the modern history. His stance on abortion is SO EXTREME that ALL OTHER DEMOCRAT senators do NOT SHARE Obama’s postion.
Obama, as a Illinois state senator, VOTED four times AGAINST providing IMMEDIATE MEDICAL CARE to NEW BORN-ALIVE BABIES, letting them DIE. while all other DEMOCART senators VOTED FOR the identical federal bill, BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT.
Obama also supports PARTIAL BIRTH abortion, a GROUSOME BARBARIC procedure without ANASTASIA, which is EVIL!!!!!
So, OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE COOPERATING in the EVIL.

Posted by: GeonLee | October 20, 2008 4:55 PM
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Would you like to know what that is about. Obama did not vote on the law because it should never have been proposed, "IT WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS". You don't pass duplicate laws. In fact, if it was defeated doesn't it make you wonder who the rest of those monsters who voted against it must have been? They must all be blood thirsty killers. No they are law makers who know their business and don't pass waste of time repetitive laws that just clog things up and make law so confusing.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

A few things about the polls:
1. They don't give accurate reflections of younger voters intentions because they use land based telephones rather than cellphones. Thus polls consistently undersample a key Obama constituency.
2. There is no way to tell by polling how BIG the turnout is actually going to be. Obama supporters are energised, motivated and organised. A tightening in the polls might actually be a good thing for Obama as his people will redouble their efforts to win this election for him. The Obama ground game makes the McCain effort look like a group of boy scouts versus the US Marine Corps. This election will be won by the network of supporters that Obama has built over the last two years, not be polling.
3.McCain's map is simple: win the same states that Bush won in 2004. He has next to no margin for error. Judging by current statewide polling he is almost certain to loose Iowa and New Mexico from his column. Plus he will have a tough time in Colorado, Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada and Ohio. He has to win all of those states. He doesn't have the money to compete so Obama just needs to run the clock down and pick up just one of those states to go with NM and IA and he is home and dry. No matter what the McCain campaign say they are fighting fires on too many fronts now to be able to win this election, it is all about damage control now.

The longer McCain looks like he is going to loose the more money Obama will pick up from people who thought that he (McCain) was going to win. The more money Obama has the more he can pour into neutralising any McCain comeback.

Posted by: pr8mrh | October 20, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"I am not a crook"

"I did not have sex with that woman"

"Senator Obama, I am not President Bush"

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse


2. John McCain's attempts at reigning in Fannie and Freddie weren't taken seriously by anyone in the GOP led Congress at the time, or the Democratic party (who since 1994 have been pretty much useless). All that McCain wanted to do was substitute flimsy Congressional oversight (that he voted for in the 1990s under the tutelage of Phil Gramm) for even flimsier private oversight. It's a red herring if there ever was one. Besides, why would anyone who wanted to regulate Fannie and Freddie hire one of its top lobbyists to be his campaign manager? As for the tirade on how Obama got the most $$$ from the two Fs, that's a red herring too. What Obama got were small donations by many individual Fannie and Freddie employees. He didn't get money from Fannie and Freddie fat cats or lobbyists. Get your facts straight

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The total listed for Obama is $126,349 - a tiny fraction of the approximately $390 million his campaign has raised, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The list shows McCain has received a total of $21,550 from Fannie and Freddie employees. The list includes donations of at least $200 from those who receive paychecks from Fannie and Freddie.

The New York Times has published a separate list looking at contributions from "directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" for the 2008 campaign cycle. That list - using figures from the Federal Election Commission - shows McCain receiving $169,000, while Obama received only $16,000.

Check it out - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/19/fact-check-did-obama-profit-from-fannie-and-freddie/#more-19364


One could say that it was McCain who got more money from the leadership team that showed poor judgment.

And there's more -


McCain top 10 Donors

1. Merrill Lynch $230,310

2. Citigroup Inc. $219,551

3. Blank Rome LLP $189,226

4. Greenberg Traurig LLP $157,487

5. AT&T Inc. $153,005

6. Goldman Sachs $139,520

7. Morgan Stanley $136,651

8. JPMorgan Chase & Co. $129,400

9. Credit Suisse Group $110,725

10. Lehman Brothers $96,050

9/20/2008

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 20, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

If Senator Government, Mr Hope n' Change, has such a compelling message, pray tell why it costs a billion dollars to ram it down our throats? The Obama campaign is really just a big noise machine to prevent us from hearing the truth about our current Diversity Recession, wired up by the ridiculous lending policies forced on banks by Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Senator Dud, and Barry O, and triggered by poor blacks and Hispanics walking away from their subprime mortgages and pay option ARMs when the rates recast. Duh! I guess they figured their incomes were going to triple in five years. Now, the white middle class gets to have their income further redistributed to the innumerates and illiterates, whose presence we will now be forced to celebrate at the point of a gun during the Barry Administration. You can't win in Multicultural America. If you save and carefully invest, you take your first hit in this decade because Muslim terrorists, allowed into this country because of our craven immigration policies, slam jetliners into buildings. Then, the Democrat affordable housing Ponzi scheme run by Freddie and Fannie collapses, and you take your second hit. So now, when you try to build up your nest egg for the third time, Obama wants to tax the hell out of your capital gains. Bwahahahaha, I'm quitting my job and going on welfare and medicaid.

Posted by: greg3 | October 20, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"there (sic) measuring the drapes. Put those drapes on hold, it's going to be curtain time." - Pres. George H. Bush - 1992

"Democrats are measuring the drapes" - Pres. George W. Bush before the 2006 Congressional election.


"Sen. Obama is measuring the drapes" - Sen. John McCain -10/13/2008

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse
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Here is the funny part about what Mccain said. At this point in the election both sids are supposed to be getting together a transition team and picking who may be cabinet picks. That is how it is done so you can hit the ground running. I read recently that Mccain curiously was not putting together a transition team at all, none. Bush's people have been waiting to hear from Mccain, but nothing, Mccain has pretty much given up..

This could only mean they have no thoughts about winning anymore really. Just finish the race and thats it. The way things are now in the world and this country, who ever wins can't wait till January to get started. They will have to do a blend of some-kind. Mccain is being really irresponsible not having a transition team. Regardless what Mccain may say in public, some of his actions say he has just given up.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse


McCarthyism!! This is starting to look a whole lot like McCarthyism!!

A McCain campaign spokesperson, Rep. Bachmann crossed the line when she called Senator Obama un-American. Further, she went over the top when she appealed to the news media to begin investigations into all members of Congress to determine who is pro-American and who is un-American!! This is an outrage!!!

McCarthyism!!! McCarthyism, straight up!!! This is treason!!!

Posted by: HelenaShaw | October 20, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

If more people know that Obama is the MOST LIBERAL SENATOR with DEEP CONNECTIONS TO PEOPLE WHO HATE AMERICA, OBAMA WILL LOOSE THE ELECTION.

Obama is also THE MOST PRO-ABORTION candidate in the modern history. His stance on abortion is SO EXTREME that ALL OTHER DEMOCRAT senators do NOT SHARE Obama’s postion.
Obama, as a Illinois state senator, VOTED four times AGAINST providing IMMEDIATE MEDICAL CARE to NEW BORN-ALIVE BABIES, letting them DIE. while all other DEMOCART senators VOTED FOR the identical federal bill, BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT.
Obama also supports PARTIAL BIRTH abortion, a GROUSOME BARBARIC procedure without ANASTASIA, which is EVIL!!!!!
So, OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE COOPERATING in the EVIL.

Posted by: GeonLee | October 20, 2008 4:55 PM

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Boy you're so full of crap. Obama's the most pro-abortion. What the hell does that mean anyway. Are there semi-pro abortionists out there somewhere. And you know dam well that Obama didn't refuse medical care to new born baby's. It's against the law. Do you really think that John McCain would change anything if he was president. People would just cross the border and get it done. Why don't you go bash the people that are doing it instead of blaming the people that aren't. You sound like a jerk-off.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 20, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The day-to-day "horse race" numbers need to be considered with some care - there is typically a 6-8 point variation in any given poll's numbers due solely to sampling error, so cherry picking numbers from a variety of polls on favorable days can be used to support almost any claim.

That said - a considerable increase in accuracy can be had by amalgamating all of the polls (thus greatly increasing the sample size), and calculating a running multi-day average (this also smooths away biases that any particular poll may have).

Check out the fivethirtyeight.com site, which is providing the most sophisticated and transparent poll analysis this election cycle. There you will see that indeed the race is tightening very slightly (about a quarter of a point on its multi-poll supertracker), as it often does, in the last couple of weeks before an election.

So - Chris is not carrying water for anybody on this. What he is reporting is correct according to the best available evidence.

BTW: You can safely ignore all of the "king-of-zouks" poll posts on this blog since it consists purely of cherry-picked results -- at best. I've checked some of his poll results in the past and found them to be mis-stated.

One example in "zouk's" post-fest today is his assertion regarding 2000 that:

"the October polls accurately described the election as a virtual tie, with either Bush or Al Gore 1 or 2 points ahead in various polls. But in one of the latest polls to give either candidate a clear advantage, The New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 3, 2000, showed Gore winning by 45 percent to 39 percent".

You can check out the actual day-by-day tracking number for the CNN poll (handy because the day-by-day graph is online):

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/poll/frameset.exclude.html

which shows that Gore consistently trailed Bush for the entire final month of the election.

Posted by: careysub | October 20, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Show up on election day. Vote. Take care of your children. Take care of your country. Vote. It just takes a little time. Democracy only works if We The People make it work. Blogging has minimal impact, but voting can change the world.

You. Right there, with the mouse in your hand. SHOW UP AND VOTE, PLEASE!

Posted by: yogi11 | October 20, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

To the Wingnuts on this board:

1. Oprah, Tyra, Sheen, Streisand, etc. know only fully well that their taxes under an Obama administration will rise. After all, they, unlike the overwhelming majority of you, net over $250,000 annually. But they're fine with it. After all these are the same people who did very well under a Clinton administration which had the same tax structure that Obama is now proposing. Oh, and under an administration that factored in balancing budgets, their assets in stocks, shares and real estate did very well too. As for yours truly, a member of the American professional class, my assets under a Republican president and a Republican Congress have lost more than 40% of their value. Thanks, Republicans.

2. John McCain's attempts at reigning in Fannie and Freddie weren't taken seriously by anyone in the GOP led Congress at the time, or the Democratic party (who since 1994 have been pretty much useless). All that McCain wanted to do was substitute flimsy Congressional oversight (that he voted for in the 1990s under the tutelage of Phil Gramm) for even flimsier private oversight. It's a red herring if there ever was one. Besides, why would anyone who wanted to regulate Fannie and Freddie hire one of its top lobbyists to be his campaign manager? As for the tirade on how Obama got the most $$$ from the two Fs, that's a red herring too. What Obama got were small donations by many individual Fannie and Freddie employees. He didn't get money from Fannie and Freddie fat cats or lobbyists. Get your facts straight.

3. You people use appalling language and your online behaviour is a disgrace. Didn't your Mamas ever teach you anything? If not, here's a lesson: intelligence and grace are virtues; cutting and pasting from www.crazywingnut.com is not (neither is typing in all CAPs).

Posted by: jaysit | October 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

ProudSouthernAmerican posted the following:
“I bet no one on this website has heard the media give the full context of Sen. Obama's message "Spreading the wealth around" actually he was speaking in terms of stimulating consumer spending, small businesses almost entirely depend on robust consumer spending, and with wages either stagnating or falling drastically, you wonder what the outlook of "Joe the Plumber LLC" would look with in six months.”

This is the most intelligent comment I have ever read on this site.

What people really don’t understand is that Democrats and Republicans are always Capitalists. They just differ on how to stimulate the economy. Democrats believe tax breaks to Middle/Lower income people stimulates spending, thereby lifting markets/corporate profits. While Republicans believe that giving tax breaks to corporations allows money to trickle down to the consumers through jobs.

The only problem with trickle down economics is that when you get a situation where corporations are outsourcing jobs, and management is taking salaries thousands times the salaries of the average worker, there is nothing left to trickle down.

It is interesting to see average Americans vote against their best economic interests, and instead vote for issues dealing with social conservatism. I don’t think voters understand that you can’t mix fiscal and social conservatism with good results. Republicans have mixed social issues with their economic policies in order to get traction with a segment of the electorate. At their core, republicans are capitalists and their policies are aimed at strengthening corporate profits. But without regulation you get the current economic crisis. One only needs to look at the age of the Robber Barons in the 19th century to see what unregulated capitalism can do to society. People don’t want to recognize the role a strong central government (regulated markets) plays in a countries’ prosperity. With falling home prices, the loss of high paying jobs, foreign companies/countries owning our assets, and the movement towards third world status, the economic policies of the next administration will affect us dramatically. If you don’t care, then vote for four more years of the Bush doctrine. As a side note, I wish I made enough money to be a republican, somewhere in the neighborhood of the McCain’s millions in income would be a good start.

Posted by: srags | October 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Spread the Wealth Around = Socialism

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.”

I guess, Joe the Plumber gets this.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Hello Mike:

In my earlier post I wrote about www.intrade.com. To recap, this is a prediction market that was very accurate on the 2004 election and how the electoral vote would go.

Take a look at this site.

Since this is a situation where people are putting their money where their mouth is how do you explain these solid numbers for Obama? Would you say that these people are betting for the candidate who's going to lose because they're afraid of looking racist?

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"Many Republicans are simply lying low and will take their revenge when they vote. They don't want Obama groupies (that are organized) arriving on their doorstep threatening and accusing them of being stupid and racist."

1. Is it really possible that mroe than 1% of the population is that paranoid that they will lie to Gallup or Rasmussen when they call for fear of being attacked by groupies who somehow got their data from this poolster??

2. What are the odds that those delusional folks are actually picking up calls from Pollsters to begin with?

3. Plenty of Republicans are coming up with plenty of reasons not to vote for Obama besides his race (he's a socialist, he's weak on defense, he's a closet Muslim, etc.). This is why I don't buy the "bradley Effect" (which was even nonexistent in the past). If they want to vote against him, they can come p with a reason to justify it both to themselves and to others; race isn't the only issue here.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | October 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse


"there (sic) measuring the drapes. Put those drapes on hold, it's going to be curtain time." - Pres. George H. Bush - 1992

"Democrats are measuring the drapes" - Pres. George W. Bush before the 2006 Congressional election.


"Sen. Obama is measuring the drapes" - Sen. John McCain -10/13/2008

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Want to talk about "Share the Wealth?"

Every year, the federal government gives more funding to Alaska than it receives in taxes from Alaska.

This allows Alaska to write checks to its citizens every year merely for living there. Whether they work or pay taxes or not. Just for breathing.

And Alaska is not a poor state to start with.

So every taxpayer in the lower 48 is subsidizing Alaskans, who don't necessarily even need it.

Ms Palin doesn't seem to have any problem with that sharing, though. Imagine that.

Posted by: nodebris | October 20, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The article misses something which is probably the most important thing of all.

Below is a post that I read yesterday and similar ones are appearing more and more.

25. There is no "Bradley Effect"
because Bradley's race years ago is the ONLY extant example of it, it cannot be given a name. I call it "bad polling". But there's a very real fear out there, and it isn't of 'terrorist violence' as you lamely put it. It's a fear of telling someone you don't know, who HAS your phone number, that you WON"T be voting for Obama. In this age, that's enough to be worried about a future episode of someone calling you a racist publicly. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if people are not answering correctly, not because they're racist but they fear to be CALLED racist.
Dave - USA (10/19/2008 19:51)

Many Republicans are simply lying low and will take their revenge when they vote. They don't want Obama groupies (that are organized) arriving on their doorstep threatening and accusing them of being stupid and racist.

Whatever the result the polls will be very wrong and people that have only looked at the superficial will wonder why and how they were wrong.

There are more details here ..

http://priestandpalin.notlong.com/

Mike

Posted by: redmike | October 20, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

DO YOU SEE THE BLACKS RUNNING TO THE POLLS ON CNN?

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See, I can take a snipet of a post/book/quote and make you look racist too. Without context, those book quotes (because I have actually read the Audacity of Hope) are worthless. Good try at misdirection though.

P.S. I like your use of "the blacks" followed up by trying to point the finger in the other direction in asking who was racist. Of course saying "black people" does not conotate racism, but "the blacks" definitely hints at the value you place on these folks.

Posted by: SteadyState | October 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"That having been said, if Obama's kids happened to be a knocked up 17 year old girl, or a confused teenager experimenting with drugs (like a LOT of teenagers do), the shrieking on the right would have been deafening."

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Nicely put Jaysit. I'm surprised that your observation was not made frequently in the aftermath of the news of Palin's nomination.

The Cons and Repubs would have been all over Obama and his family with the insinuation of this being a typical result of the failure of the African-American family (having sex out of marriage).

But you have to understand where Repubs and Cons see sin. When one of theirs does it we are reminded that we are all sinners and that God is all merciful. When one of ours does it its all fire an brimstone.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Pot was legal in Alaska till Georgi-Boi made them out law it .... Could McCains Nurse-Palin be a pot head ?

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 20, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZ

It's national polls, look at state-to-state races. Obama is currently winning everything Kerry won pretty strongly (the only ones even close are Minnesota (avg. Obama + 6.9), New Hampshire (Obama +6.6), and Washington (Obama + 7.5), none of which he's in any real danger of losing.

That's 252 EVs.

Beyond that, he holds signifcant leads in Iowa and it's 7 EVs (+11.4), New Mexico and it's 5 EVs (+7.5%) and Virginia with it's 13 EVs (+8.9% including Rasmussen today with him +10, 54-44).

That's 277 EV's- and the ballgame even if he loses NH or NM.

http://www.pollster.com/

That's the race today, and that's without his minor leads in CO (5.7%), FL (4.2%), NC (3.3%), NV (3.3%), OH (2.7%), and MO (0.9%). McCain can run the table on those states and he still loses!

For McCain supporters, which states is McCain going to pick up to turn this thing around? I don't see the map at this point.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | October 20, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This just in from Fox News:
Obama, who has consistently downplayed his relationship with domestic terrorist William Ayers, gave a glowing endorsement of his book in the Dec. 21, 1997 Chicago Tribune.

Posted by: IIntgrty | October 20, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama is making huge advances into Conservative territory. He is no longer campaigning in blue states, he is concentrating all his efforts on the purple, pink and red states.

Hey! So is McCain! Although in his case, he is making a cut and run retreat. Get ready for McCuster's last stand.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 20, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain's campaign is doing this in an effort to stop the bleeding, and hoping to convince anyone who hasn't dismissed him as the dottering old fool that he still has a chance.

Their desperation knows no end.

Posted by: jimcummings | October 20, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

No one preaches hate & throws slime like a Republican in last place. The poor hate mongers need their crying towels 2 weeks early

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 20, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Looked at battleground by battleground, state by state, McCain is deservedly toast. And he shouldn't feel bad. After all, if any state not backing him is not "pro-American," then why bother winning it? It would be like winning in communist Russia. Did Sarah Palin speed-read an anthology of Joe McCarthy recently? She seems to be channeling despicable McCarthyesque hatemongering. And just as old Joe turned out to be a loser, so will Ms. Wasilla.

Posted by: Plutonium57 | October 20, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Money does help Obama to look presidential.

Posted by: FloridaCounts | October 20, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

A couple of qualifiers on the rumor mill.

First, just because the Enquirer was right on John Edwards, doesn't mean its right on Sarah Palin. It may be, but unless there's evidence to back it up, it's rubbish.

Second, even if Palin's son Track was a pothead, so what? Recreational drug use is pretty endemic in America today, and smoking a bit of pot and/or experimenting with crystal meth doesn't make you evil incarnate. And even assuming you were a junkie at one time, getting over it and starting your life again shouldn't put you out of the running for life's successes and the respect of your peers. That kind of condemnation is Republican speak; it doesn't reflect the thinking that most "live and let live" Americans go by. While an undergrad at one of America's top centers of scientific learning, I saw most of my peers smoke weed. Most of these people are now leaders in medicine, science, business, etc.

That having been said, if Obama's kids happened to be a knocked up 17 year old girl, or a confused teenager experimenting with drugs (like a LOT of teenagers do), the shrieking on the right would have been deafening. Not quite as deafening as their blatant hypocrisy, but deafening nevertheless. But then, the far right in this country is so over the top, that it defies logic - even to those living in such insane places as Zimbabwe or Pakistan.

Posted by: jaysit | October 20, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama was orphaned at 2 by his father, real mother is not verifiable as birth certicate is missing. The media make him a child born of a Virgin, like Alexander the Great and Julius Cesar. So there is no need to find his real past.
Too much money from Campaign Dems makes democracy a joke and Constitution a tricky game. There are only drastic ways as remedies to such an abusve situation
Obama has a sacred immunity. His presumed father is in the eternity, far away; that's the definition of God. His presumed mother, either one of the wives of a polygamous father; or of an American girl who escaped enslavement in Kenya by withdrawing in Indonesia as a presumed anthropologist of tools of sorcerers.
We face mystic elections. And bloody days after.(

Posted by: rivenq | October 20, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain belongs to the party of Bush & Nixon ... thieves & liars. I doubt very much if any intelligent person will waste their vote on McCain, after all, it would be a vote for second place.

Posted by: gatorsn09 | October 20, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

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I too hope that security is tight for Sen McCain, given that the Nobama supporting gutter rats(as you can see on WaPo pages) are simply murdering, blood thirsty thugs, who will stop at nothing.

In the primaries, these blood sipping thugs tried to kill Sen Clinton figuratively by using all kinds of sexist and racist slander; now, who knows what kinds of tricks these thugs could be upto."

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Repubs accuse Democrats of drinking the "Kool Aid" but as evident by the above post they they seem to be downing the vitriol by the gallon.

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Dick the Torturator: Pack and run man... your days as a free man are numbered! They will give you an special dispensation and you will be able to eat seafood in Rabat.

Posted by: luispanagi | October 20, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Nowhere here do I see a discussion of Intrade and where they see this election. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Intrade it's a prediction market where, like the futures market, you can buy a position but it's not a commodity but a future event, such as this Presidential election.

Intrade was more accurate than any poll in 2004. They predicted the Bush win right down to an accuarate account of how the electoral vote would go.

Take a look now at where things stand now -
http://www.intrade.com/

Remember that this is not some dumb poll on AOL where anybody can just mouse click. For Intrade people are putting their money where their mouth is.

And explain to me how the "Bradley effect" is in play here?

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse
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intrade has had Obama up 60 to 70 points for more then a week now. Mccain has dropped to the teens. That other website "Paddy" something or other in Ireland has already called Obama the winner and paid off the bets. I think when they ended it you had to put up $9 to win $1 that is how one sided it got.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Nowhere here do I see a discussion of Intrade and where they see this election. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Intrade it's a prediction market where, like the futures market, you can buy a position but it's not a commodity but a future event, such as this Presidential election.

Intrade was more accurate than any poll in 2004. They predicted the Bush win right down to an accuarate account of how the electoral vote would go.

Take a look now at where things stand now -
http://www.intrade.com/

Remember that this is not some dumb poll on AOL where anybody can just mouse click. For Intrade people are putting their money where their mouth is.

And explain to me how the "Bradley effect" is in play here?

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS: As instructed by Karl Rove, Dick the Torturator Cheney, his puppet George W Bush, Condi Rice and the NRA all endorsed Obama. If this doesn´t work next step is to bomb the WH and suspend the election.

Posted by: luispanagi | October 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

ELECTION '08: NEW MEANING TO TERM 'POLITICAL HACK'?

To Kevinschmidt at 4:51 p.m.:

Now go back and read that NP article again and connect the dots. Also: Google "Infragard." Lots of computer expertise out there in the precincts. This is the first true computerized election.

WILL IT GIVE NEW MEANING TO THE TERM "POLITICAL HACK"?

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Also, McBrain simply cannot win with comments like "The real Virginia." What was he thinking? It's not as bad as "macaca," but he's outnumbered-literally in Northern VA. One thing you generally want to avoid is motivating the other party's base.

Posted by: con_crusher | October 20, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and BTW: Obama's a poker player, while McCain's game of choice is craps.)


Posted by: suntzu2008 |


Of course THE ONE is, how else could he still be in the game this late with only a pair of twos as his experience? Its called bluffing or in political terms lying about your capabilities.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The election will be tighter than the polls indicate. But McCain has too much ground to cover. Apparently he isn't even up by double digits in Arizona. That can't be good news.

Posted by: con_crusher | October 20, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama's share the wealth tax strategy will be his undoing. And thank God.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | October 20, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the polls. I've been following AOL Hot Seat polls (yes, I know, very unscientific) since the beginning of this election, and those suggest that it's going to be a landslide in McCain's favor. Makes no sense. Why such a big discrepancy? Are AOL users more conservative than the rest of America?

Posted by: forgetthis | October 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Face it Cheney slaves... you all are cooked! Most of you will rotten in jail for whatever days you have left in your lives! Dick... run man.. run... hide in Pakistan... or in Saudi Arabia with your pals in the Roayal (Royal?) family... those who do not allow your own daughter to drive a vehicle there.

Posted by: luispanagi | October 20, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

One thing is for sure, if McCain were coming back, we'd never read about it in the Washington Post. Instead, the WP would run a NYT/CBS poll that said the just the opposite.

Posted by: tharper1 | October 20, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

How does McCain do it. I mean, Sarah Palin comes up guilty as sin. McCain gets his but whipped in the debate. Joe the Plumber turns out to be a fraud. Some dumb Republicans get busted for voter registration fraud. (Ha Ha, Paybacks a bittch.) Over 100,000 people came out to see Obama in Missouri this weekend. Obama even raised 150 million last month. So how the hell does McCain's poll numbers keep going up. The more he screws up the better he does. I'd sure like to know his secret. It must have something to do with those imaginary voters that keep popping up just when ya need them.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 20, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

If more people know that Obama is the MOST LIBERAL SENATOR with DEEP CONNECTIONS TO PEOPLE WHO HATE AMERICA, OBAMA WILL LOOSE THE ELECTION.

Obama is also THE MOST PRO-ABORTION candidate in the modern history. His stance on abortion is SO EXTREME that ALL OTHER DEMOCRAT senators do NOT SHARE Obama’s postion.
Obama, as a Illinois state senator, VOTED four times AGAINST providing IMMEDIATE MEDICAL CARE to NEW BORN-ALIVE BABIES, letting them DIE. while all other DEMOCART senators VOTED FOR the identical federal bill, BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT.
Obama also supports PARTIAL BIRTH abortion, a GROUSOME BARBARIC procedure without ANASTASIA, which is EVIL!!!!!
So, OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE COOPERATING in the EVIL.

Posted by: GeonLee | October 20, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'll bite.

Popasmoke, you have no business documenting the indiscretions of the Palin children in a political blog. There are far more relevant criticisms that need to be documented, such as the Socialist policies and actions of the Palin governorship of Alaska.

Palin imposed a 25% windfall profits tax and used the money to mail free money to "lazy, uneducated, unemployed, couch potatoes."

Isn't that more relevant than the Palin kids' questionable behavior?

LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:28 PM writes:
"Any Dems here going to condemns popasmoke?

I'm waiting.

*crickets*"

Posted by: lonquest | October 20, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse
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Family values are much of what she is running on. She has no family values from her phony up tax records, (I doubt she thought anyone would ever be looking at them so close) To the house she was given "FREE" as a kickback from the contractor she gave a multi million dollar contract to built a sports complex. It is now being investigated and makes what that guy Ted Stevens is being tried for small potatoes by comparison. It is now known she had an affair with her husbands business partner. (People have passed polygraph tests). Everything and I mean everything about Palin is a fraud. People have a right to know. Heck, it is not out of the question she could find herself in jail when all is said and done.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

WELL, OBAMA AND POWELL ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERANT PEOPLE, AND THERE VIEWS-- DONT YOU AGREE? WHY WOULD POWELL ENDORSE OBAMA? RACE MABE? DO YOU SEE THE BLACKS RUNNING TO THE POLLS ON CNN? MANY OF THEM WERE ASKED WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR OBAMA-THEY HAD NO ANSWER-(BUT THEY KNOW HES BLACK)- WHOS RACIST HERE?-- OBAMA DIDNT EVEN VISIT OUR WOUNDED TROOPS OVERSEAS, I CAN SEE WHY GEN POWELL WOULD ENDORSE SUCH A FINE GENTLEMAN- DONT YOU? IN FACT, POWELL IS NO DIFFERANT THAN ANY OTHER BLACK--

THE RAW TRUTH-- QUOTES FROM OBAMAS BOOK--
DREAMS OF MY FATHER --by obama

quote- i will stand with the muslims should the politial winds shift in an ugly direction--

THE AUDACITY OF HOPE -- by obama

i never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didnt speak to my own. It was into my fathers image, the black man, son of africa, that id packed all the attibutes i sought in myself, the attributes of martin, and malcolm, DuBois and madela..

chilling stuff huh? sounds like good character for a new president of the united states of america huh? obama supporters, you need to clean the wax out of your ears and listen what your canidate is saying-- A CLEAR RACIST BLACK MAN-- wake up

Posted by: darin_holmes | October 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain is outgunned and outflanked. He has to spend time and money to try to secure states like Indiana and North Carolina, and every dollar he spends there is a dollar he can't spend in a state like Virginia or Ohio, where he literally can't afford to lose. Meanwhile, Obama is destroying him in Virginia (+10%), is up seven percent in Colorado, leads in Nevada, and has made New Mexico almost completely unwinnable for McCain. That kind of tactical wipeout is just stunning, and it shows that Obama's fifty-states strategy is paying off -- big time.

Obama has way more resources than McCain does, and it's just a poker game now: the big stack is always easy to play. Grind, grind, grind.

(Oh, and BTW: Obama's a poker player, while McCain's game of choice is craps.)

Posted by: suntzu2008 | October 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

'king_of_zouk' MadLibs:

Whatever the [craziness] of John McCain and Sarah Palin, they are [liars] whose values are the values of [kooks], whose loyalty and dedication to this country's [rich people] are beyond question because they have not spent decades working with people who [are competent]. Nor are they people whose judgments have been proved [right] consistently during decades of Beltway "experience."

Posted by: el_barto | October 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Republican Leaders Who Participate in Attacks on ACORN Could be Prosecuted as Part of a Criminal Conspiracy!!!

Let the GOP muck-a-mucks across the nation who are participating in a nationwide RNC/McCain diversionary campaign against ACORN be warned:
In a new administration of light and truth – instead of Cheney’s dark shadows and Bush’s lies – YOU may be subject to prosecution for participating in a criminal conspiracy to suppress votes and violate the Voting Rights Act.

We do not exaggerate.

The unrelenting and profoundly dishonest and misleading attempt to brand a national community organizing group as some sort of minority enterprise of ghetto thieves is nothing more than a GOP tradition of using ACORN as a scapegoat to justify voter suppression. And organized voter suppression is a crime.

In fact, a creative prosecutor under Obama could apply the RICO Act to the RNC/McCain daily deluge of attempts to get voters to believe that ACORN is engaged in voter fraud and then using that cover to disenfranchise voters.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/131

The First Amendment gives you free speech but it also protects everyone else from you freely lying.

However, there is no such thing as a free lie. You can pay the price criminally by going to jail and you can pay the price civilly by paying for a libel suit jugement awarded against you.

This election is about the the rule of law, habeas corpus and the Constitution. If you want these rights then vote straight Democrat. If you think the end justifies the means so the hell with the law, then keep voting for scoff law Republicans and you will get what you deserve, a 1933 German style take over of the U.S., which is literally just one more unconstitutional law away from becoming a reality.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LStarr3 At least I provide some diversity of opinion.
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Yes, and thank you for representing the Republicretin puppets who can't think for themselves.

You should go over to the Rush Limbaugh web site where you can join the other robots who can't think for themselves. That way you don't have to prove to us how simple-minded you are (we already know) and we don't have to read the Republican talking points that any monkey could cut and paste.

Posted by: xconservative | October 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

the sheer depth of idiocy and ignorance on this blog is only eclipsed by the utter gullibility of the Dem base.

CC - whenever you post a link on the Frontpage, the average intelligence drops in a fixed ratio to Liberal bloggers who join the fray.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I too hope that security is tight for Sen McCain, given that the Nobama supporting gutter rats(as you can see on WaPo pages) are simply murdering, blood thirsty thugs, who will stop at nothing.

In the primaries, these blood sipping thugs tried to kill Sen Clinton figuratively by using all kinds of sexist and racist slander; now, who knows what kinds of tricks these thugs could be upto.

Posted by: intcamd | October 20, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

As the poll results move the candidates a sconce closer, McCain's people are going to do what they are paid to do: Scream at the top of their lungs that the race is tightening up. (while crossing their fingers that the untrue just might become true)

Obama meanwhile, with his excellent campaign staff will just keep on doing what they need to do to win. Which, by the way seems to include a battle force of 5,000 lawyers in Florida to make sure that no legal voter is barred from casting their vote in that state. McCain can only win if he steals the election.

This is not the Democratic Party of Walter Mondale, John Kerry, Al Gore or Dukaukis. This Democratic Party is organized and at the core a tough outfit.

Obama has got game. McCain? Eh, not so much. He still trails in the polls in ALL in battleground states he has to carry on election day to win. That's too tall of an order to fill.

Each new attack makes him look worse and worse. It's sad really. He was once a principled man with a sense of honor.

Posted by: cfeher | October 20, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

How quickly we forget the lessons of 2000. If there's anything that Bush v. Gore taught us folks is that its the electoral college that counts, not the popular vote.

Given that Obama is leading in ALL the states that John Kerry carried in 2004, plus Iowa and New Mexico (both by significant margins) for a total of 262 electoral votes, all he needs is Colorado (9 votes) or Virginia (13 votes) to push him over 270. Under that scenario, he doesn't need Florida, Ohio, North Carolina or Missouri. Or Nevada for that matter, but it appears that Obama's lead in that state is at about 6-10 points.

Posted by: jaysit | October 20, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: darin_holmes | October 20, 2008 4:44 PM |

How can you see what you are typing with that white sheet over your stupid little racist pin head?

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 20, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA has the largest lead ever in American Presidential Elections: $150 Million!!!!!!!

Remeber... money elects the US President not the voters.

Now... after Dick the Torturator orders the assasination of both Obama and Biden, the President will be Nancy Pelosi. And she is the one who is going to jail Dick the Torturator for the rest of his life! And I am going to get drunk then! DICK... YOU WILL ROTTEN IN JAIL!

Posted by: luispanagi | October 20, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Any Dems here going to condemns popasmoke?

I'm waiting.


*crickets*
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Please LStarr3, you know full and well that if this was Obama's children you'd be ALL over it. Let's be realistic here, you are going to support those who hold your beliefs and expect condemnation on everything that does not hold them in the light you see them. On the other hand, even when many (check the fact-checking sites) have debunked Obama's associations as anything substantial, you're likely to continue with the guilt-by-association game. Certainly if brushed off like a grain of salt, then even I would say we ought to know more about these associations, but these stories have been beaten to death and clearly there are no more leads. Oh, but that's right... fact-checking sites are likely part of the liberal MSM too, right? Awfully convenient, being able to selectively believe what you'd like and dispelling the rest as propaganda. When the Enquirer posted the story about John Edwards sleeping around and it made its way through the MSM, how did you react? While I condemn personally-aimed attacks on Palin's family, there is clearly something of merit to questing whether the "Moral Majority" practices what it preaches.

Posted by: SteadyState | October 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

MichaelinAlaska - Tell us about those times Putin reared his head over Alaska. "They" are keeping the truth from us down here, and Sarah Palin has made me concerned that the Air Force is not doing its job.

I'm not up on Putin's antics, but Russia's proximity and history with Alaska is worth noting. We used to routinely scramble jets out of Fort Wainwright to escort Migs home after they trespassed into American air space. Nothing immediately threatening, just testing our ability to detect and respond, enabling them to assess our technology. So, yes, there are some national security issues that an Alaskan governor must deal with. Also, territorial rights for resources (fishing and oil), with both Russia and Canada. So, she has had some exposure in those areas as well.

Posted by: MichaelinAlaska | October 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Fix. Hit me. I really need to get my fix on regarding this story about Freddie and Fannie and this firm DCI that they hired. Yeah, I know this is about lobbyists and DC Establishment types. And yes, I know the Post absolutely does NOT take on The Establishment. But c'mon. Spot me some DCI. I need my fix!

Posted by: jaho | October 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

WELL, OBAMA AND POWELL ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERANT PEOPLE, AND THERE VIEWS-- DONT YOU AGREE? WHY WOULD POWELL ENDORSE OBAMA? RACE MABE? DO YOU SEE THE BLACKS RUNNING TO THE POLLS ON CNN? MANY OF THEM WERE ASKED WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR OBAMA-THEY HAD NO ANSWER-(BUT THEY KNOW HES BLACK)- WHOS RACIST HERE?-- OBAMA DIDNT EVEN VISIT OUR WOUNDED TROOPS OVERSEAS, I CAN SEE WHY GEN POWELL WOULD ENDORSE SUCH A FINE GENTLEMAN- DONT YOU? IN FACT, POWELL IS NO DIFFERANT THAN ANY OTHER BLACK--

THE RAW TRUTH-- QUOTES FROM OBAMAS BOOK--
DREAMS OF MY FATHER --by obama

quote- i will stand with the muslims should the politial winds shift in an ugly direction--

THE AUDACITY OF HOPE -- by obama

i never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didnt speak to my own. It was into my fathers image, the black man, son of africa, that id packed all the attibutes i sought in myself, the attributes of martin, and malcolm, DuBois and madela..

chilling stuff huh? sounds like good character for a new president of the united states of america huh? obama supporters, you need to clean the wax out of your ears and listen what your canidate is saying-- A CLEAR RACIST BLACK MAN-- wake up

Posted by: darin_holmes | October 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

torro67:

I am so afraid that you might be right. I would hope and pray that it does not happen and that his security detail is very diligent in their efforts. I have seen a lot of Republican radical and racial trash on these comment pages and I would think the Domestic Terrorist division of the FBI would be the ones to investigate. I would also imagine they are reading these radical and racial posts the same as you and I. They would have all access to names, etc. We need Barack Obama as president and I pray God watches over him and keeps him safe.

Posted by: INDem | October 20, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The real question in my mind is whether as President Obama will be strong enough to keep the far left of his party at bay to avoid a huge backlash in two and four years.

Posted by: anjos


you mean the three-way race to the left and total communism? Libs can't help themselves. We will have a second gingrich revolution in two years and the Lubs will be permanantly banished to the wilderness. Obama was a necessary evil to rid ourselves of the even more evil clinton. so you see, Libs are not all bad, at least they admitted that clinton was a total crook and sent her packing. thanks for that.

Another Carter-like one termer leaving the country gasping for breath. Watch for the misery index to soar.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Strange to me that the McCain campaign is citing Gallup to show that the margin is narrowing. Yes, the likely voter/traditional poll shows a lower margin - 5% - however that figure is trending LARGER than it was last week. Like all the other numbers. Looks like they are using Bush math to me!

Posted by: catherine3 | October 20, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27, I thought you left-libs like "diversity" and pride yourselves on open-mindedness and having your ideas challenged. The W Post site is swarmed with tiresome dreary hordes of Obama-bots, rabid Bush haters, cheerleaders for defeat in Iraq, and the like. At least I provide some diversity of opinion.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'll bite.

Popasmoke, you have no business documenting the indiscretions of the Palin children in a political blog. There are far more relevant criticisms that need to be documented, such as the Socialist policies and actions of the Palin governorship of Alaska.

Palin imposed a 25% windfall profits tax and used the money to mail free money to "lazy, uneducated, unemployed, couch potatoes."

Isn't that more relevant than the Palin kids' questionable behavior?

LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:28 PM writes:
"Any Dems here going to condemns popasmoke?

I'm waiting.

*crickets*"

Posted by: lonquest | October 20, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

HEY BERNANKE!
Send me some money!
I'm gonna send it RIGHT TO OBAMA!
Every penny you send me.
EXTERMINATOR FUND.
REPUBLICANS ARE LIKE COCKROACHES.
When you see ONE you've got HUNDREDS.
You've got to get rid of EACH AND EVERYONE.
From the Mayor's office to the White House!
OUT PESTILENCE!
OUT INFESTATION!
OUT VERMIN!
OUT! OUT ! OUT!

Posted by: TOMHERE | October 20, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

ACORN is a non partisan, egalitarian organization run by senior citizens who volunteer time and encourage voter turn out by baking brownies and going door to door in diverse ethnic, social, and regional neighborhoods and signing people up to vote.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 20, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

SteadyState, the definition of victory changed in the Revolutionary War (loyalists to the King fighting oppresion in 1775 were fighting for independence bt 1777), the War of 1812 (opposition to British warships forcing our sailors to join their Navy became a defensive war against a British invasion), the Civil War (a war to preserve the Union became for many a crusade against slavery), World War I (a war caused by German attacks on our shipping became a war for democracy and national self-determination), World War 2 (a defensive war against Japanese attacks and German declaration became a crusade for democracy), etc etc.

Sneering that we toppled Saddam and ensured that a nuclear armed hostile regime could never be has now moved onto a different no less important mission is not a good enough excuse for choosing to lose.

And equating Americans resisting an evil invader with the terrorists in Iraq is calling America evil. Your defensive "but don't call me unpatriotic" efforts simply reveal your true self.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

There are two variables at play here that will determine how close the race gets regardless of what Obama or McCain do over the next couple of weeks: 1) Reality of Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Reid-controlled Washington will push middle of the roaders to McCain(whatever mainstream America is, we have to admit that they are not it) and 2) Vote for the winner in a historic election will push middle of the roaders to Obama. My guess is that the race will tighten but not enough for McCain to win given the backdrop of the economy and Bush legacy. The real question in my mind is whether as President Obama will be strong enough to keep the far left of his party at bay to avoid a huge backlash in two and four years.

Posted by: anjos | October 20, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

LStarr3 wrote:

Well, dorklord, I'm a lot more worried about Obama's lifelong friend and mentor smearing me and my country and people of my background and views, than I am about some pastor whom YOU claim to be McCain's leader engaging in some harsh criticism of another civilization and people that has frequently clashed with the West, just as he said.

Anyone who doesn't expect some searching, skeptical, and even tough examinations of Islam and Muslim civilization as a whole after 9/11 is silly.
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McSame said he was his spiritual leader. Also, anyone who does have knowledge of religious history and religions in general know that the tenants of Islam are similar to Christianity. Also, here are some interesting tidbits for you;
"In the 20th century alone, Western and/or Christian powers have been responsible for at least twenty times more deaths than have Muslim powers. In this most brutal of centuries, we created incomparably more civilian casualties than have Muslims in the whole of Islamic history. This continues even in our day—witness the slaughter of 900,000 Rwandans in 1994 in a population that was over 90 % Christian; or the genocide of over 300,000 Muslims and systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women by Christian Serbs in Bosnia between 1992 and 1995. The horrible truth is that, numerically and statistically speaking, Christian Civilization is the bloodiest and most violent of all civilizations in all of history, and is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths."

So, to be honest about religious history is my point. I am not supporting one over the other. Just attempting to point out statements people make about religion with little knowledge of what they are attacking.


Posted by: dorklord | October 20, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Lstarr3 (Leo) - Why do you persist in wasting everyones time, doing a garbage dump of Limbaugh's latest spin. If you cannot think for yourself, we'd rather not have our times wasted with your upending his chamber pot of nonsense. Beides, if wqanted to take a bath on that cespool, we'd be over reading it at the Fox Noise site.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 20, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

OK IT'S TIME SOMEONE WENT THERE.
What are we going to do when one of McCain's freakazoid supporters assassinates Obama?

I mean am I supposed to think that the right-wingers will actually allow him to get thru one yr. in office?
Seriously, am I supposed to think that they will even allow him to live until the vote.

I notice no news agancy ever checks details on Obama's security detail.

Just look at the blog posts on the net. McCain's supporters are freaking crazy. They believe every allegation. They actually think he is a "muslim", a "anti-American leftist", a "socialist", a "terrorist plant from Pakistan", a "non citizen" etc etc.

You Obama supporters better be prepared to get a dose of reality. Obama has made a huge mistake by not addressing these accusations.
Defending himself should have been the bed-rock of his campaign.

Now he is marked as a traitor by a huge group of idiots who still think Saddam was behind the 911 attacks.

Just look at history. Right wing groups (in every era and country) always resort to violence.

Who exactly will lead the 'investigation' when he does get whacked?

powmadeak47

Posted by: torro67 | October 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

If voting for Bush twice is not voting against your own interests, I really can't think of a better example. Since 9 of 10 Americans believe we're on the wrong track, most people seem to have come around to that understanding. But of course there will always be a pugnacious minority, over-represented on the blogs, who continue to argue for their "side," believing their "side" deserves to win again despite what their "side" has perpetrated on our country over the past eight years.

McCain has voted with Bush nearly every time on war, economics, environmental protection, social policy... and as recently as a couple of weeks ago he was STILL arguing that most tax breaks should go to the biggest corporations, including the darlings of Wall Street. What is it about his record and philosophy and likely direction of governance that you still don't understand? Or is it simply more important that your "side" wins, no matter how many more Bush years we have to slog through?

Blind conservative ideology simply doesn't work. We need to move in a new direction. Most people know that, which is why Sen. Obama is going to win. So get your hankies out, diehards.

Posted by: yogi11 | October 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

This is all part of the ridiculousness of the McCain campaign's "Say It and It's True" version of reality.

Their lying is delusional and pathological.

For example: even if "seeing" Russia from Alaska actually meant anything, Sarah Palin CANNOT see Russia from Alaska. (It can only be "seen" from an extremely remote Alaskan island in the Bering Straight, and even then it requires a strong telescope and a lot of imagination.)

To try to enumerate all their lies, delusions, and simply idiotic statements would require entering verbatim all their transcripts of all of their utterances.

Posted by: terry1960 | October 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

to: LStarr3

I did my homework. It doesn't matter whether John McCain was a minor or major player. A player is a player. You Republican radicals seem to think you can smear Barack Obama over his being on a board with Bill Ayres but you can't take it when it comes your way. Read a little more about John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Happy reading!

Posted by: INDem | October 20, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

WELL, OBAMA AND POWELL ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERANT PEOPLE, AND THERE VIEWS-- DONT YOU AGREE? WHY WOULD POWELL ENDORSE OBAMA? RACE MABE? DO YOU SEE THE BLACKS RUNNING TO THE POLLS ON CNN? MANY OF THEM WERE ASKED WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR OBAMA-THEY HAD NO ANSWER-(BUT THEY KNOW HES BLACK)- WHOS RACIST HERE?-- OBAMA DIDNT EVEN VISIT OUR WOUNDED TROOPS OVERSEAS, I CAN SEE WHY GEN POWELL WOULD ENDORSE SUCH A FINE GENTLEMAN- DONT YOU? IN FACT, POWELL IS NO DIFFERANT THAN ANY OTHER BLACK--

THE RAW TRUTH-- QUOTES FROM OBAMAS BOOK--
DREAMS OF MY FATHER --by obama

quote- i will stand with the muslims should the politial winds shift in an ugly direction--

THE AUDACITY OF HOPE -- by obama

i never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didnt speak to my own. It was into my fathers image, the black man, son of africa, that id packed all the attibutes i sought in myself, the attributes of martin, and malcolm, DuBois and madela..

chilling stuff huh? sounds like good character for a new president of the united states of america huh? obama supporters, you need to clean the wax out of your ears and listen what your canidate is saying-- A CLEAR RACIST BLACK MAN-- wake up

Posted by: darin_holmes | October 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

popasmoke - let me guess, you abhor any candidates kid from using drugs but condone it when the actual candidate admits to it in his book.

sounds like Lib logic to me.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Victory in any war means imposing your will on your enemy, and making him conclude that further violence is not worth it, and he stops fighting and lets you proceed as you like.

In the context of Iraq, that means that the country is stable, able to defend itself from internal and external enemies, an ally in the War on Terror, and, allowing for local cultural differences and the inevitable Third World corruption and tribalism, reasonably democratic, humane, and tolerant overall.

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I love how the definition of victory in Iraq continues to change with time. I thought it was to eliminate WMDs? Now we're liberators imposing democracy and freedom on an area of the world that doesn't really know what to do with it yet. Just like the War on Drugs, the War on Terror is an unwinnable war unless fought a VERY different way. We are still stuck in our limited thought that force will change hearts and minds; we've done everything that al-Qaeda has accused of us. This is NOT apologist speak, it is realist; do not twist my words. I have a general hate for al-Qaeda like the next American, but we've never stopped to think if we're doing exactly what they want us to do.

Hypothetical question: If our country was invaded because of a few bad people who supposedly occupied government positions and held political ideologies opposite of the invading country's and a family member of yours was killed in the cross-fire between the two groups fighting, would you not be equally angry, if not more-so, at the invading country? In a land, where when we leave, people will receive most of their information from al-Jazerra and their local mosque, how are we not creating MORE terrorists than we were trying to eliminate to begin with? I suspect there is going to be a great deal of misplaced anger due to joblessness, loss of family members, and generally poor living conditions that people may be more susceptible to the terroristic mindframe than we hope for.

Posted by: SteadyState | October 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Any Dems here going to condemns popasmoke?

I'm waiting.


*crickets*

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse
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For posting truth? This stuff has been said for a long time and Palin will not even defend herself prompting most to feel the abortion thing is true. It may be one of the reasons she is so pro life now. Many women do a 180 after an abortion due to enormous personal guilt and become very pro life after an abortion. Some never get over the guilt.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

rvgammill@yahoo.com writes:
"McCain will win because it is not American to 'spread the wealth', it is American to have the freedom to create wealth. The blinders are falling away and the polls reflect that."

Well, here's a shot to the blinders:

As Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin imposed a 25% windfall profits tax on oil companies producing in Alaska and used the money to issue checks to the population of Alaska. Not refunds, not tax rebates, just checks, to spread the wealth.

It's standard propaganda technique to accuse the opposition of any indiscretion you worry about getting caught at, so as to expend the public capacity for outrage. It is NOT standard propaganda technique to get caught every time you depend on this tactic.

Are the McCain/Palin campaign incompetent propagandists?

Posted by: lonquest | October 20, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I think Sarah Palin should release her medical records when Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Joe Biden, and Gary Condit release their medical records. Let's throw Mary Jo Kopechne's autopsy in their too.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

There is a nice WSJ editorial which points out how the ultra-liberal Pelosi congress was stopped by Republicans on a number of really offensive programs last session. If the predicted ultra-left congressional supermajority is realized as anticipated, and with Obama there to rubber stamp every single loopy left wing program that makes it to the floor, we will see institutionalized forever entitlements not seen since the New Deal and Great Society. This needs to sink in for the electorate in the last couple of weeks before election day. How many more entitlements can we promise before our deficit spending ruins the credit of the USA and we will actually have to pay for the government we consume (IE 70% tax rate for all)? It really is a shame that Obama is a dishonest socialist and does not tell you the true price tag of the warm blanket of big government he wants to extend to every layabout in the country. I am waiting for a ringing Chavez endorsement of Obama to serve as the clairion call to sense for America in a love affair with a man pushing pipe dreams.

Posted by: Wiggan | October 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

An ACORN does not fall far from its tree (lawyer trainer/Barack Obama. Support voter fraud. Vote Obama.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse
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Although you may think your post is clever, the only ones actually charged for "Voter fraud" are republicans who were charged just yesterday.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

We all knew Obama's huge lead would stabilize a bit once the economy stayed away from the headlines for a day or two. But the lead is still there across the battlegrounds, and McCain's campaign is mostly pointing to "gains" in highly questionable daily tracking polls.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 20, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Any Dems here going to condemns popasmoke?

I'm waiting.


*crickets*

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

An ACORN does not fall far from its tree (lawyer trainer/Barack Obama. Support voter fraud. Vote Obama.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The Wingnuts are coming a part at the seams.


GOPer Philosophy 101:

Socialist = raising the top tax rate for the richest among us from 35% to 39%.

Free-Market = nationalizing the banks, massive investment in insurance agencies, limiting certain types of trades, raising the debt ceiling, and promoting government investment into stocks and bonds. And an emphasis on Red States.


Yeah, it’s all so clear now!


"Conservatives" are so hilarious, especially now that they're headed toward an epic defeat.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 20, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse


FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S, THEY NOW BRINGS YOU: "TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

INDem, well known Democratic power broker Bob Bennett (Bill Clinton's Monica-gate attorney) has said that McCain was the most minor player in the heavily Democratic Keating 5 scandal, and that Bennett, then a lawyer for the investigating committee, recommended that all charges against McCain be dropped for reasons of insignificance.

But the Democratic leaders in Congress insisted on keeping McCain in the list of players so as to make the heavily Democratic scandal "bipartisan".

And Obama doesn't seem to mind campaigning with John Glenn, who was mixed up in the Keating 5 far more deeply than McCain.

To his credit, McCain to this day feels the sting on his honor from his minor role in the "scandal", and became a crusader against corruption ever since.

This issue has been long examined and is long over and dead. Digging it up is desperation.

YOU do YOUR homework.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

MichaelinAlaska - Tell us about those times Putin reared his head over Alaska. "They" are keeping the truth from us down here, and Sarah Palin has made me concerned that the Air Force is not doing its job.

Putin is rearing his head over Alaska with impunity, and that's not good for anyone - Democrat, Republican, or AIP.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 20, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

PAILN REFUSES TO RELEASE HER MEDICAL RECORDS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. ACCORDING THE GOP, "IT IS NOT HAPPENING"

This is prompting renewed speculation of an abortion in her past. It had already been alluded to. As well as her drug abuse. She may have even had treatment for drug abuse we don't know. Her past drug abuse by the way, has already been made public, Just not the extent and when was the last time she was using. Her children are known drug users especially her son Track who just went in the military as a deal to avoid jail.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Abortion: It does a body good. Barack Obama. I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I can change the world. I can be a transforming figure. I can transform a healthy economy that has taken a punch to the bread basket, and turn it into a socialist swamp. I can unilaterally talk with terrorists and embolden scumbags world wide. Just say no to a guy whose preacher relishes say "gd America." Take years off of Keith Olbermann's life. Vote McCain.

Posted by: hoimacoach | October 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Check out today's Gallup.....Obama up by 11%......

Posted by: glcrease | October 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, dorklord, I'm a lot more worried about Obama's lifelong friend and mentor smearing me and my country and people of my background and views, than I am about some pastor whom YOU claim to be McCain's leader engaging in some harsh criticism of another civilization and people that has frequently clashed with the West, just as he said.

Anyone who doesn't expect some searching, skeptical, and even tough examinations of Islam and Muslim civilization as a whole after 9/11 is silly.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

To those who are still trying to bring up the Ayres and Obama thing:

Let's look at some interesting tidbits on McCain and Palin:

What about John McCain's role in the Keating 5 Scandal?

What about John McCain's being good buddies with G. Gordon Liddy who served time in prison for his role in Watergate?

What about one of John McCain's large contributors, Carl Lindner, who allegedly oversaw payments to the terrorist organizations, FARC & ELN?

What about one of John McCain's large contributors, Andrew Malik, Managing Director of Lehman Brothers?

What about Sarah Palin's association with (& husband, Todd's, membership in) the Alaska IIndependence Party who wants to succeed from the United States? And please note that they advertise that they are not pro-life or pro-choice? That sure doesn't match up to Palin's rhetoric does it?

What about the fact that Sarah Palin refused to honor a legal supboena in her home state of Alaska related to her firing of the Police Commissioner? Sounds a lot like Dick Cheney, doesn't it? Then after all was done, they said she abused her power and there were ethics violations. She then lied and said she was exonerated.

You all need to do some serious study & research on John McCain & Sarah Palin's pals before you start saying that Obama pals around with terrorists.

if you are concerned about Obama's plan giving the working folks a tax cut & taxing the rich, that is not being socialist. George Bush's administration is buying up banks to ease credit & that is being socialist.

John McCain wants to continue giving tax cuts to companies who send jobs to othe countries. Barack Obama wants to end those tax cuts & instead give tax cuts to companies who add jobs in the United States.

Do your research. Go to the library & read about the Keating 5 & the Watergate scandal or check the internet.

PS: I am a white woman in her 60' & proud to be an Obama supporte

Posted by: INDem | October 20, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

'MichaelinALASKA'

...says it all doesn't it?

Posted by: el_barto | October 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

mel2877, this pretended confusion of what a win is usually a transparent and deliberate ploy to justify choosing to lose on purpose.

Victory in any war means imposing your will on your enemy, and making him conclude that further violence is not worth it, and he stops fighting and lets you proceed as you like.

In the context of Iraq, that means that the country is stable, able to defend itself from internal and external enemies, an ally in the War on Terror, and, allowing for local cultural differences and the inevitable Third World corruption and tribalism, reasonably democratic, humane, and tolerant overall.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Why is Chris Cillizza printing the McCain people's talking point that the race is tightening? Of course they say that, unless they have conceded. Of course they want the media topic to be the closing horse race. Their candidate needs momentum badly. Why is Chris doing their work in print.

Thanks Chris. I thought you did better reporting.

Posted by: s_clark | October 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

LStarr3
Hagee is not some random pastor endorsing McCain, though you do bring up a valid argument in stating that he is not McSame's pastor. My Bad and apologies. However here are quotes from John McBush's "spiritual leader" Rod Parsley:

In a chapter titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:

I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.

Parsley is not shy about his desire to obliterate Islam. In Silent No More, he notes—approvingly—that Christopher Columbus shared the same goal: "It was to defeat Islam, among other dreams, that Christopher Columbus sailed to the New World in 1492…Columbus dreamed of defeating the armies of Islam with the armies of Europe made mighty by the wealth of the New World. It was this dream that, in part, began America." He urges his readers to realize that a confrontation between Christianity and Islam is unavoidable: "We find now we have no choice. The time has come." And he has bad news: "We may already be losing the battle. As I scan the world, I find that Islam is responsible for more pain, more bloodshed, and more devastation than nearly any other force on earth at this moment."

Wright my be "radical", but he is spewing info that is not really untruths and those racist factions he points to do exist in this country. It is a fact that we choose to ignore. Though when discussed it is always pointed as racist division. I don't agree with Wright in some ways, though I don't necessarily believe he is making up lies and distorting religions. McCain's religious supporters and guides are the radicals. Their lies are just mainstream and hold long dismissed beliefs that are truly ancient ignorance.

Posted by: dorklord | October 20, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

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You make a great many assumptions about me from a simple post and reveal a much of your own ignorance at the same time. Yes, I'm in Alaska right now (a great state), and I've traveled extensively in the US and worldwide. What's more, Alaskans are a breed of American you obviously know nothing about, thus your snide put-down. How foolish of you.

Obama's troubling connections with radicals are now well known, yet there are gaping holes demanding explanations, to which Obama replies, "... he was a guy in my neighborhood," or some other such dismissive, non-explanation. Michael Pfleger, Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn, ACORN, Raila Odinga -- all of these shared long-term, much more than casual relationships with Obama, including consultation, collaboration and huge money transfers. All of these are clearly leftist radicals. Obama's long list enmeshed relationships with radicals deserves scrutiny, especially given that he claims not to be of them.

Face it, you have to make a decision about what you believe about Obama's associations:

1. Obama is deceiving us about his true connections to these people and the agendas that he/they support.

or

2. Obama is truly a moderate kind of guy who just coincidently has a lot of questionable deep associations and collaborative relationships with leftist radicals with whom he shares no similar ideology.

Personally, I think those who choose #2 are naive.


Posted by: MichaelinAlaska | October 20, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

royals1, that is part of an overall plan to liberate us from being chained to our employers to get health care, which is a hangover from World War 2 anti-inflation policy. At the time the feds banned salary hikes so employers stapled on other compensations to attract workers in the manpower shortage. This is not normal; nobody gets their auto or home or fire insurance from their boss.

But now people are afraid to leave jobs they hate because they'd lose their health care.

McCain proposes to move us in a direction where we as individuals have the power to shop and choose our own health care coverage, just as we do our other insurance, and other other basic needs as well.

Harping on the fact that this would be taxable ignores the reality that he's offering a $5,000 tax credit putting almost all participants far ahead. If you aren't you can always stay chained to the boss and dependent on him for your health care.


Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse


Sorry, Washington Post,

your numbers are NOT UP TO DATE!

Today's Gallup Poll has Barack Obama leading John McCain by 11% (ELEVEN!) among registered voters, 52% to 41% - this is OBAMA'S BIGGEST LEAD during the whole campaign,

and 52% to 43% among likely voters (expanded model) or 50% to 45& respectively (traditional model).

So, if anyone is edging higher again, it is Barack Obama, in spite of all the propaganda and wishful thinking of the fear-mongering and desperate Bush-McCain Republicans.

Posted by: DiversEquality2008 | October 20, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Have you all read this? I guess now that McCain and Palin can see Russia from Alaska, they will just ask for a campaign donation! Do they have any right to smear target Obama? Absolutely not!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_camp_hits_up_Russian_ambassador.html#comments

Posted by: INDem | October 20, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Can you say delusional? He is saying if he loses he can go back to Arizona, he is double digits behind in polling and the Democrats are not taking this one sitting down, while the Republicans privately agree with Powell. Gosh, it looks like a winner for McCain, Palin and simple.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | October 20, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

He did cut into it, but now it is going the other way. This article is about three days late to be news. Obama rose about two points today, 9 points ahead. The polling alos does not yet include the Powell endorsement which is likely to add a point or two for Obama.

Posted by: fishingriver | October 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain wants to tax our health benefits as income. More hurt for the little guy...He means to do it too...He is unwavering on this one...Go ahead and look it up...

Posted by: royals1 | October 20, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain asks for donation from Russian envoy, going against rules. So much for criticizing Obama's donations by McCain.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_camp_hits_up_Russian_ambassador.html?showall

Posted by: nri1998 | October 20, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

What exactly would a win in Iraq look like? What do you mean when you say you want to win in Iraq?

Posted by: mel2877 | October 20, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin want to "spread the wealth around" too, but only to the top 5% of this country. That is an even more terrible "redistribution of wealth." Because these rich folks just sit around with all their money just wondering how they can create new jobs *sarcasm*. What are small businesses going to do when the tightening budgets of the American middle class becomes so tight that they can no longer afford the services or products offered by these small businesses who will supposedly be creating "millions" more jobs with their cut of their tax breaks.

Let's get real folks. As Bill Maher said this weekend: the GOP keeps the fantasy (emphasis on FANTASY) alive by telling Joe the Plumber he will soon become Joe the Millionaire. There's a reason why all that wealth is concentrated in the top 5%; it would not be sustainable to have everyone be rich - think of a Bell Curve fit. So the GOP will dupe folks into voting against their own economic interests again, because they're given the impression that their tax dollars only work for the poverty-stricken black folks who in their minds are sitting on their couch popping out babies and rolling in government dough. Most people who claim to hold to Christian tennets seem to do so to uphold their social views, but contrary to teachings of Jesus (who seemed to really have a distate for the rich), they all want to be rich.

Posted by: SteadyState | October 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

New Ohio poll shows Obama leading by 9 points over McCain 51 to 42. Missouri is a very right race now with McCain lead coming down to only 1.


www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/obama_leads_in_7.html


OR

http://www.suffolk.edu/31491.html

Posted by: nri1998 | October 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So the wretches of the McCain campaign decided to yell 'he's winning' all day every day as loud as they can.

As truthful as the rest of their stuff.

Palin is becomming smarter too, right? And an ace at foreign policy? Right, Right.

Posted by: whistling | October 20, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

It takes courage to speak out for conservative views today, and those who do are made to suffer by the "tolerant".

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse
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Gee I really do not mean this as harshly as it is going to come off but...c'mon.

What gives you the right to dismiss as false any religion other than yours? Last time I checked, this is America...it is not called tolerance...it is called our constitutional right.

I am so sick of you self-righteous hypocrits trying to dictate other people's lives while you literally bathe in hate and righteous indignation. You would probably feel better if you removed the stick out of your butt that has taken root. If they way someone worships, makes decisions regarding their lives, or happens to be of a culture that scares you...then build and underground bunker...go in lock the door...and never come out. Then you are happy and everyone you annoy is as well.

But still have a great day and Jesus loves you!

Posted by: scrappyc20001 | October 20, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The national polls are bouncing around within the margin of error. Look at the electoral map and the fact is that Obama still has more ways to win that does McCain. In fact, McCain could take Ohio and Florida (which he probably will do) but Obama's leads in Virginia and several other states are well outside the margin of error. In short, McCain could do almost as well as George W. Bush did in 2004, which was a relatively close election, and lose.

McCain will continue one smear attack after another, hoping that enough mud will stick to Obama that McCain will eke out a victory, but it's a long shot, to say the least. Johnny McNasty and Sarah Pinhead will be going back to their respective jobs in November.

Posted by: Bob22003 | October 20, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain knows all about bailing out rich bankers and screwing over middle class and poor people, he's been doing it for years:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzDEbVFcg8
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McCain - Founding Member of the Keating 5:


McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.

Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

McCain was not convicted of any crimes, though the Senate concluded that he exercised "poor judgment." (Furthermore, he got off on some charges by a technicality -- that he was still in the House when he took those vacation trips, and so the Senate couldn't prosecute him. The House concluded that THEY couldn't prosecute him because he had moved to the Senate.)


Here's some mavericky straight-talk, my friends:
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http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 20, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"Advisers insist that since the final debate, GOP candidate has slowly cut into Obama's edge."

Be honest, Chris.
What would YOU do, if you were a McCain adviser?
You'd lie, of course.

Posted by: wardropper | October 20, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Either McCain wins and saves America from a Depression and defeat in Iraq, or Obama wins and run-amok leftism drives America roaring back into the arms of the GOP, 1980 and 1994 style. Either way it's good, although the latter involves some serious short-term damage.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Hey guys I have a poll going in my blog (bottom part, so if you are interesting in participating, please do.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/"

Man, you have to be one sad loser to be pulling for McCain so that Hillary can run in 2012.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Whatever the shortcomings of John McCain and Sarah Palin, they are people whose values are the values of this nation, whose loyalty and dedication to this country's fundamental institutions are beyond question because they have not spent decades working with people who hate America. Nor are they people whose judgments have been proved wrong consistently during decades of Beltway "experience."

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain's dead cat bounce is not going to keep his campaign in the air for long. He'll be crashing into the deck soon.

Posted by: lartfromabove | October 20, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps all of hateful negative campaigning with lies, prejudice and racism is having an effect. Too much Rush Limburger and Fox News propoganda, too.

Posted by: maphound | October 20, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

watchingduck, you talk about intolerance, but which political party and ideological wing is pushing "hate crime" (better termed "thought crime") laws punishing politically incorrect views about race and religion?

Would you rather be on a college campus and say you want to win the war in Iraq or say you want to run away? To say you oppose affirmative action or that you support it? To say that you think a particular branch of Christianity is the only completely true religion, or that all faiths are true in a fuzzy sort of way?

It takes courage to speak out for conservative views today, and those who do are made to suffer by the "tolerant".

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Once McCain's new round of lies is fully digested by the voters, he will once again head south.

Besides, McCain's slight comeback is only in the national polls, which are worth nothing.

Meanwhile, the Electoral College polls have only gotten better for Obama since the last debate, while McCain is now in danger of losing Montana and North Carolina, two formerly solid red states.

No one in their right mind would vote for McCain/Palin once they found out how much these two azz clowns lied and smeared Obama, the Democratic Party, and anyone else who would dare go up against the Neocon-Fascists from Hell.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 20, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is at its worst! The endless stunts, the lies, the robo calls, trying to first make Obama look like a terrorist, the racist rallys and it goes on. This is not the America we know. SHAME on the republicans that are supporting this insanity. Get respect back for your party. Today's GOP is not the party of Reagan. SHAME ON YOU

Posted by: PA_DC | October 20, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The lesson,
You cant buy an election Axelrod,
you cant hide an unqualified
candidate behind your Race Card....
Liberal, Tax and Spend, Big Government...
it's all anti-american.

NOBAMA

Posted by: USA3 | October 20, 2008 3:32 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

New Lesson

You can no longer scare the masses with stupid arguments...Dick Davis

You cant hide an unqualified candidate behind your Gender Card....Palin

Republicans Tax the middle class but gave breaks to corporations and the wealthy Spend unaccounted for Billions of dollars while accepting bribes created a Bigger Government...

Yeah that was just stupid...GWB

Change is Coming...Obama/Biden


Posted by: scrappyc20001 | October 20, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

dorklord, Hagee is NOT McCain's pastor. Just a pastor who endorsed McCain. That's a FAR CRY from Wright being Obama's spiritual mentor.

Obama has openly said that he was an atheist and that the one man who converted him was Wright. He named his book after one of Wright's catch-phrases. He sat in Wright's congregation for 20 years. Do you HONESTLY believe that at no time did Wright engage in his America- and white-hating rants from the pulpit? The congregation sure seemed enthusiastic at "God damn America", whooping and hollering with glee, so it couldn't have been something shockingly different.

Obama even was married to his wife by Wright, and had Wright baptize both his children.

As recently as 2007, he said he attended Trinity services every Sunday at 11:00am, and that well known right-wing rag "Rolling Stone" remarked on how frankly and openly radical Obama's background was.

This long, close, personal association is a FAR CRY from some random pastor endorsing you.

There is NO COMPARISON between McCain and Hagee's thin, tenuous, and temporary connection, and the deep, lasting, decades, long, personal, relationship between Obama and Wright.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The Zogby Reuters poll that was cited in the article did another poll last night and those results, out today, showed that any bump McCain seemingly enjoyed over the weekend was gone and Obama was 6 points up. The poll movement for McCain over the weekend was a single point and that's gone. Beyond that, we elect presidents, for good or ill, based on the electoral college rules, not the national popular vote and the electoral map, as of today, indicated quite clearly that if Obama holds onto what is already in the blue column and those that lean his way, and they lean blue by wide margins, he does not need Ohio, or Florida or any other so called battle ground states that are left. But he will win some of those battle ground states, if not all of them and McCain will lose the election. It is over NOW, except for the concession speech from McCain. The campaigns see this and you can see they do by where they are doing their final campaigning. McCain actually has to defend red states and Obama is campaigning in those states making it even harder for McCain. Please see the links below:

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=92461&videoChannel=1003

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Posted by: robertmerry | October 20, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes... yes.. yes.. John McCain IS COMING BACK!

Old John is coming back because he forgot to put his diaper... ji... ji.. ji...

Stop! Incontinence is not laughing matter! You also will be old atone time or another.

Posted by: luispanagi | October 20, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Joe the Plumber sez: Don't vote for McLame.

Posted by: Classic60 | October 20, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The lesson,USA3, is:

You can't fool the American people by saying "country first" and being "campaign first" at every turn

You can't govern exclusively for the benefit of the wealthy and expect middle class people to keep voting for that to continue.

You can't hide an unqualified candidate behind a beauty pageant smile and a third rate mind (beauty is skin deep - ugly goes all the way to the bone!)

Conservative, Deceitful, Do-Nothing Cronyism Government

it's the paltry demeaning choice being offered by the GOP

GOBAMA

Posted by: noGOP4me | October 20, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain..."I love being the underdog"
Obama...."We do too"

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"Sliming the white working man Joe the Plumber" that's a weak stretch.

Evidently Joe is oblivious to what the national media actually does. They investigate. Sen. Obama's campaign did not spend 1 nickel dedicating opposition research resources to sliming "Joe the Plumber"

I bet no one on this website has heard the media give the full context of Sen. Obama's message "Spreading the wealth around" actually he was speaking in terms of stimulating consumer spending, small businesses almost entirely depend on robust consumer spending, and with wages either stagnating or falling drastically, you wonder what the outlook of "Joe the Plumber LLC" would look with in six months. Say Sen. McCain saved him that 900.00 extra he and 3% of American small businesses would be taxed under Sen. Obama's plan, and neglected 101 million Americans who utilize the services of business owners like Joe and represents about 60-70 of our economic strength in terms of consumer spending, who amongst you would expect Joe's business outlook to represent model of growth potential. This is a case of a particular ideology being insufficient and incapable of offering a effective and workable solution. People the economy is critically ill, not terminal but critical, the pulse of American economic strength is consumer spending, and market stimulation, people are the markets for small businesses, and a rather large portion on Sen. Obama's tax cuts will certainly end up directly in the pockets of American Joes across the nation, businesses grow to meet market demands not because of decreased taxation which merely puts businesses in a position to grow their operations should the market give them an opportunity.

And the socialism argument is ridiculous, just listen to the rallies, John McCain excoriates Sen. Obama for being a "so-call socialist" and then in the next line makes the claim that he going to make things betters for those who need help, how?. He suspended his campaign to inject himself into pushing the largest corporate bailout in this history of the world, only to come back to main st. and demonize Sen. Obama a s a "socialist". Socialism is the nationalizing of the 9 largest banks in the country, Socialism is George Bush giving AIG a 87 Billion bailout, and another 37 billion dollar bailout, Sen. Obama was the only candidate to come out directly and say that they should pay the American people back that 400K that AIG went partying on. So less not talk socialism unless that's what you really want to talk about.

Finally the income tax/ welfare differentiation that McCain/ Palin is trying to sell the American people is equally as troubling, since when is payroll tax not tax, they call it tax, but its not taxes, geez give me all my money then, I didn't know that my 23% was a donation.

Posted by: ProudSouthernAmerican | October 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting, and it would be funny, if not so serious, that many of the comments about people being uncomfortable with democrats and Obama, because of their radical left or socialist perspective. What is so off about this is that it is the republicans who are the far out radicals. Compare social and political attitudes of even republicans (neocons) now with those of 30-40 years ago. Decades of rule by the radical element of the republican party has transformed America to a right wing country like people would never accepted a few decades ago. They have been largely successful in deconstructing the U.S. government, diminishing worker rights, suppressing voter rights, creating an economic oligarchy, denying civil rights, overlooking their own crimial activity and making the constitution optional. And democrats are radical? What flavor Kool-Aid do you people drink? On what basis are democrats or Obama radical? What are your sources? Just something you heard from Faux News or Rush? The republican party has become the agent of right wing extremists who have already taken us pretty far down the road of social and political intolerance, if not within reaching distance of fascism. These people have done considerable damage to our country and there is no reason to believe that recent lessons have taught them any humility or caution. The republican party will only reform itself if voters force it into becoming more mainstream. Maybe only when "Joe six pack" realizes that supporting the republican party is voting against his own self interest. Just as the party wonks know full well, they must avoid the issues in elections. If they run on facts and policy, they will lose everytime. These elections are referendums on what works best: the republican propaganda machine or a thoughtful campaign about our future.

Posted by: watchingduck | October 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

3000 people showed up to hear McCain in St Louis today.

Posted by: lwps | October 20, 2008
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So What!

Posted by: Classic60 | October 20, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

DemocratforPeace,

Do you search for unsubstantiated garbage to post about Obama all day? You really, really need to get a life...really. Our economy is bust. More and more Americans are homeless, jobless and damn near hopeless. I heard you are gay but that is because I just said it. Does it make it true? According to you...yep!

Posted by: scrappyc20001 | October 20, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Recent predictions made by the all knowing press:

McCains primary chances are through

Hillary Clinton will be the nominee

Obama will win in NH

Lieberman will be the Mac VP pick

Obamas overwhelming spending edge will result in a clinton loss in the final primaries

no one cares is Obama is untrustworthy and unqualified

McCain has already lost

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN HAS FOUR SECRETARIES of STATE ENDORSEMENTS

John McCain said, “I’m also very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state, Secretaries Henry Kissinger, James Baker, Larry Eagleburger and Alexander Haig. And I’m proud to have the endorsement of well over 200 retired Army generals and admirals

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008
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Big Deal. That isn't going get him elected. No McLame No Beauty Queen

Posted by: Classic60 | October 20, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The numbers are pretty much where they were during the summer. Obama holds a consistent 3 to 5 point edge. At this point, the only polls that matter are the ones for the battleground states.

Posted by: skrut003 | October 20, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I hope the polls keep it close til the end. At this point, the biggest opponent to Obama's victory is not John McCain--it is complacency.
If the public perceives that the election is still close, then they will be more inclined to vote. Since there are more Democrats than Republicans registered to vote, that should help Obama.

Posted by: labman57 | October 20, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: asja

McCain has one card left in the deck, Reverend Wright and McCain's campaign manager has indicated today that they are going to play it. Hold on folks, the nastiness in this race is about to be turned up another level.


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Are you still bringing up that tired old cr@p. Well if you want to bring up the candidates pastors then here are some quotes from John Magoo's pastor John Hagee:

Hagee on Hurricane Katrina: "All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were the recipients of the judgment of God for that... I believe that Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."

Hagee on the Catholic Church: "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews."

Hagee on Muslims: Hagee was asked whether he believes that Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews, he replied: "Well the Quran teachees that. Yes, it teaches that very clearly."

Hagee on women: "Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist."

Hagee on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process: "When the Annapolis Conference (this refers to the Bush 43 effort) was being planned and the topic of Jerusalem came up, one man asked me, 'Where do you stand on this based on the Bible?' I responded that 'the plan of the Anti-Christ is to divide Jerusalem.' If America puts pressure on Israel to divide Jerusalem we are following the blueprint of the Prince of Darkness."

The hate the GOPS are spewing is echoed and encouraged by their religious leaders. Granted, this type of attitude does not reflect all GOPS beliefs just the ignorant ones.

Posted by: dorklord | October 20, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

you ignore the gallup polls the last two days...the tracking poll yesterday and today shows him up 10 and 11%, respectively. the expanded poll shows him back up 7% today and the traditional poll, which you quote at 3% last week, is back to 5%. mcLame is losing and has NO CHANCE of winning! is is all McSame campaign spin.
Doug in Nashville

Posted by: douglechleiter | October 20, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The lesson,
You cant buy an election Axelrod,
you cant hide an unqualified
candidate behind your Race Card....

Liberal, Tax and Spend, Big Government...

it's all anti-american.

NOBAMA

Posted by: USA3 | October 20, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain has one card left in the deck, Reverend Wright and McCain's campaign manager has indicated today that they are going to play it. Hold on folks, the nastiness in this race is about to be turned up another level.


Posted by: asja | October 20, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Is "Patty2008" and the "crazy lady from the McCain rally" (see SNL) one in the same?

Posted by: ptownCA | October 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain gets the endorsement of Joe the non-plumber and Obama gets the nod from Gen. Colin Powell, a microcosm of the McCain/Pailin base. Next week Bozo the clown and Rufus the town idiot should be putting in their glowing endorsements of grandpa grumpy and his bimbo barbie VP.

Posted by: ryanr007 | October 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

the polls are going to get REAL close because about a THIRD of the people to be polled already voted (for OBAMA)...the other 2/3 that are eligible for polling either haven't voted yet, or are "undecided"

Posted by: gq_online | October 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse


lwps said:
"3000 people showed up to hear McCain in St Louis today."

The St. Louis metropolitan area has a population of roughly 345,000 people
Obama attracted a crowd of 100,000 people to St Louis on Saturday, or about 30% of the city's entire population.

John McCain's, by contrast, attracted less than 1% of the population.

But I suppose one can always argue that the city of St. Louis is mostly black....


Posted by: VMR1 | October 20, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Why has Obama not responded to these ridiculous "socialist" charges McCain makes? All he has to do is say, "I did not know that John McCain considered Ronald Reagan and Dwight Eisenhower to be socialists. The top tax rate I am proposing is lower than it was under those two Republican presidents."

Slam dunk, stuff it down their throats. Either Obama or a high-profile surrogate has to start hammering back on that point. Enough of the epithets! America is tired of it.

Posted by: B2O2 | October 20, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Just the other day," McCain said, "Sen. Obama's campaign announced that he's choosing his Cabinet. He's measuring the drapes, and planning with Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi and Sen. (Harry) Reid to raise taxes, increase spending and concede defeat in Iraq."

McCain said this yesterday. Can you believe it? He is losing what little touch with reality he used to have. No wonder most of his fellow senators despise him. He has turned wacko!

Posted by: BisbeeAZ | October 20, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain is gaining . . . Not!!!!!!!

At least the most recent Gallup poll says that the GAP is widening.

Must be nice to be a reporter and just write whatever the McCain press folks tell you. That way, you have the rest of your day free to watch the TV soaps and not be bothered with actual journalism.

Posted by: Continuum | October 20, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

So you bet Sen John McCain & Gov Sarah Palin are gaining on Closet Muslim Marxist
Socialist Liberal Democrat Lying Losers
Messiah Barack Hussein Obama & Loud Mouth
Joe Screw Up Biden,so come on Obama get
another Has Been Discredited Loser And
Total Failure like Colin Powell that phony
George W Bush Stooge that went to the UN
and lied about WMDS in Iraq so Bush & Draft
Dodger Mad Man Cheney could invade Iraq and
McCain and Palin will kick Obama and that
Walking Gaffe Joe Biden Butt by 10 to 15
Points for sure! Yep You Betcha Obama and
Biden are toast! Vote McCain/Plain 2008!

Another Independent Voter for McCain/Palin
==============================================
LOL LOL LOL THICK YOGOURT BRIGADE VOTING FOR MCCAIN

TIME FOR OBAMA TO MAKE PATRIOTISM EVENING CLASSES COMPULSORY TO IGNORANT EXTREMIST RACIST BIGOTS WHO NEED TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT TRUE PATRIOTISM NOT GIMMICKY NEOCONS CONDITIONING!

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Early voting is really coming home in most states. I am in AR, probably in McCain column, but the early voting started today and there was quite a line in this small town of Clarksville. My vote is in and I did not vote Sarah Palin. And a lot of people feel the same, Sarah Palin president, NOOOOOOOOOO WAYYYYYYYYY! George W Bush and now Sarah. Forget McCain he has not been mentally with it for a long time. McCain has given enough, I would not want to give him a death sentence of being president, just too much for him or most anybody. Do you see how much those guys age. McCain does not deserve that.

Posted by: MikeQ2 | October 20, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course the race is tightening somewhat, as predicted by Obama and all other savvy observers. There is no way that on election day Obama will beat McCain by today's Gallup poll margin of 11 per cent among registered voters.

What is clear is that Obama is ahead to stay and that the trend in battleground states is moving decisively in Obama's favor.

It is certain that the punditry will insist on seeing a tightening of the horse race since that is where you all make your living. I predict that Obama will win by about 4-5 percent, which will be a modern era landslide.

Obama's victory, like his campaign, will be based on a smooth steady ascent rather than the erratic, choppy movements so beloved of McCain -- and the pundits.

Posted by: dee5 | October 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The national poll numbers are misleading. McCain is close to Obama as the solidly Republican areas in the deep South and the Midwest are so skewed toward him. What is important is the lead Obama has in several swing states, and even in some Red states. His lead in PA and VA is outside the margin for error. Unfortunatley for McCAin, a president is not elected by a national majority. He is getting clobbered in the electoral vote count. It would be sadly ironic for McCAin if he ends up leading in the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College to a man who greatly outspent him. Oh, play the violins sadly all you Republicans.

Posted by: csintala79 | October 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

When McGoo starts drawing 100k+ spontaneous enthusiastic crowds at his rallies, I'll think about it.
In "Palin-speak" - I ain't holdin' my breath.

Posted by: davequ | October 20, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

armpeg - Ah, your working class guy, Joe the plumber... This moron thinks Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are "socialist" government programs and wants them ended, immediately. He is for a flat income tax, removing any and all government regulations, for making property ownership a requirement before someone can vote. Your Joe is a NeoNazi! He uses vile racist comments when referring to Obama and every other minority and has called for the mass deportation of African American's (to Liberia), Hispanics, Asians and others. If this is you "working class hero", then you are so far out of the mainstream, so misguided and just plain stupid, that I strongly urge you to leave the country for some Hitlerian Theme Park where you (and Joe) would feel more at home.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 20, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Having said that there is but one pie, for Governor Palin to ascribe some virtues and characteristics, those she prefers, to some Pro-American small towns, and others, those she presumes to condemn, as residing in Anti-American small towns, puts me in a foul mood. I am presented with a quandary - shall I move, and to which town shall that be? I daresay to both, and to neither, for she presents herself as wise without the benefit of wisdom, and knowing with the benefit of knowledge.

As Milton said:
"But if from the industry of a life wholly dedicated to studious labors, and those natural endowments happily not the worst for two and fifty degrees of northern latitude, so much must be derogated, as to count me not equal to any of those who had this privilege, I would obtain to be thought not so inferior, as yourselves are superior to the most of them who received their counsel: and how far you excel them, be assured, Lords and Commons, there can no greater testimony appear, than when your prudent spirit acknowledges and obeys the voice of reason from what quarter soever it be heard speaking; and renders ye as willing to repeal any act of your own setting forth, as any set forth by your predecessors."

It does not matter one whit where a person may reside, if what they say bears serious discussion and, if necessary, changing the current course of things in this, our common country. It is not the stating but rather in the HEARING that the problem lies. Like pounding on an empty vessel, one can only hope to guess what of value may be within, but one may hope it is or will be of some use now or in the future.

Sadly, the truth appears to be that Governor Palin is not an empty vessel but rather a useless one, filled as it is with the ignorance of certainty put forth without benefit of insight.

All who live in this nation are worthy of due consideration as to the merit of their own experiences, the trials and tribulations, their individual and collective sorrows. And to reward some as belonging to a "pro" faction is to dismiss the rest as "anti", all facts and protestations to the contrary.

When Governor Palin puts herself forward as other than a convenient mouthpiece for the sowers of discord, the stewards of the greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression, I shall take her seriously. But that time is not now; let her return to her studies first.

Posted by: JerseyGiant | October 20, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

This is a joke! Nothing monumental has happened to explain a McCain "comeback". A small fluctuation, maybe influenced by something as mundane as the weather that day or the day of the week or whether a favorite team won or lost might well explain such a fluctuation because McCain did far more to hurt himself than help his polling numbers in the last debate. If Obama had dissed women, declared pride in a woefully ignorant and racist constituency as well as a widely panned choice of running mate, tried to explain lies and negative campaigning by whining that "that one over there" wouldn't talk to him "without conditions" (Wait! That sounds somehow familiar.) except his own, Obama would have been crucified and his candidacy declared an episode of historic political failure. I expect an august periodical such as this to resist being used so brazenly to drum up non-existent support, especially for a candidate who not only hasn't earned it, but also has routinely demeaned the very institution -- the mainstream media -- which it cannot win without. So, to the editors of the Washington Post, spare us the hyperbole and the arcane explanations!

Posted by: iphoenix | October 20, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

SIMPLE QUESTION TO CONSIDER BEFORE VOTING:

WHAT HAVE YOU GAINED FROM 8 YEARS OF NEOCONISM?

IF YOU HAVENT GAINED LIKE THE TOP 1% OF THE NATION, THEN VOTE FOR THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.

IF I WAS AMONG THE TOP 1% OF THE NATION, I WILL DEFINATELY VOTE FOR MCCAIN BUT NOT IF I WAS MIDDLE CLASS OR WORKING CLASS UNLESS I WAS DUPPED INTO BELIEVING THAT MCCAIN IS LOOKING AFTER THE JOE PLUMBERS OF THIS WORLD!

YEAH RIGHT! 3 WEEKS BEFORE VOTING JOE THE PLUMBER APPEARED FROM NOWHERE!

ISNT IT BIT LATE FOR THIS MCSAME!

BY THE WAY MCSAME WHERE IS SARAH AND WHAT IS HAPENNING TO HER,

IS SHE A LIABILITY TO THE POINT SHE IS NOT ALLOWED TO OPEN HER MOUTH MR KARL ROVE!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

So, McCain's campaign says that he is coming back? And Chris, being his usual credulous idiot and right-wing hack, believes this?

McCain's goose is cooked.

Posted by: Gatsby1 | October 20, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, that's all well-and-good for McCain, but there's a slight problem:

"Monday, October 20, 2008. Barack Obama has opened his biggest lead yet over John McCain in Virginia."


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/virginia/election_2008_virginia_presidential_election

McCain CANNOT win the election without Virginia, any way you look at the numbers. So who cares if Joe the (sometimes) Plumber votes for him in Ohio.

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Posted by: el_barto | October 20, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama's overwhelming lead in the Electoral College is what separates this from, say 2004.

There's no such thing as a true blowout in the popular vote anymore. A 4-5 point spread would be enormous.

What is striking, however, is that McCain is defending so much territory. The only states that can truly be looked at as tossups are states that Bush took in '04.

Obama has strong, statistically significant leads in states that total up to between 249 and 264 EVs, depending on who you talk to. Compare that to McCain, who has similar leads in states equaling 137 EVs.

If you factor in the states where either of the two candidates has even a slight advantage, Obama is dominating McCain, 364-174.

If you think that McCain can erase that kind of advantage, then I have a bridge to sell you in Alaska.

I would venture to guess that Obama will win the popular vote 52-48 at best, but he will win the popular vote.

As for the Electoral College: 300 EVs for Obama, easily. If McCain keeps it under that mark, it would be an upset.

Posted by: cam8 | October 20, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I guess pr from a campaign gets treated as news if it comes from McCain. Just another example of how Chris is so in the tank with these people.

Posted by: thebuckguy | October 20, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

When Obama says he wants to "spread the wealth", he means that he intends to take money out of YOUR pocket and give it to someone else.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | October 20, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Is McCain coming back? I'm not sure that he's ever been anywhere. He's getting really enthusiastic crowds."

yeah, of about 50 deranged pit bulls. obama, on the other hand, can pull 100,000. mccain could never ever touch that.

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys I have a poll going in my blog (bottom part, so if you are interesting in participating, please do.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Please note: if you are foreign and can't vote, please use the selection "I can't vote but I support candidate XXX"

Posted by: dcpsychic | October 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

So you bet Sen John McCain & Gov Sarah Palin are gaining on Closet Muslim Marxist
Socialist Liberal Democrat Lying Losers
Messiah Barack Hussein Obama & Loud Mouth
Joe Screw Up Biden,so come on Obama get
another Has Been Discredited Loser And
Total Failure like Colin Powell that phony
George W Bush Stooge that went to the UN
and lied about WMDS in Iraq so Bush & Draft
Dodger Mad Man Cheney could invade Iraq and
McCain and Palin will kick Obama and that
Walking Gaffe Joe Biden Butt by 10 to 15
Points for sure! Yep You Betcha Obama and
Biden are toast! Vote McCain/Plain 2008!

Another Independent Voter for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Patty2008 | October 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

This is pure wishful thinking on the McCain campaign's part. The latest Gallup tracker just out today has Obama up 11 among registered voters, Obama up 5 in their "traditional" likely voter model (based on past voting behavior), and Obama up 9 in Gallup's "expanded" likely voter model (assuming new voters expressing enthusiasm and a definite intention to vote are likely to vote). No good news for McCaim there.

More ominous for McCain are the state-by-state polls, the ones that really count. Obama now has solid leads in all the states Kerry won in 2004 (252 electoral votes), plus Iowa, New Mexico, and Colorado (21 electoral votes)---enough to win the election with 273 electoral votes. Obama also leads in many of the remaining battlegrounds: Virginia, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada, probably Missouri. He doesn't actually need any of these states if he wins the Kerry states plus his three likeliest take-aways, but if McCain loses even a single one of them, he has no plausible path to winning the electoral college.

The McCain campaign is just blowing smoke, trying to manufacture some favorable headlines to claim "momentum." And you fell for it, Chris. Pretty shoddy journalism, if you ask me.

Posted by: bradk1 | October 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

If you took all the successful political candidates, who counted on the youth vote, and put them in a room you would have a very empty room.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | October 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

yogi11, I hear this constant refrain that Americans who vote GOP are idiots who vote against their own interests.

How is it on our interest to choose to lose in Iraq by running away from a strategic land that our enemies have vowed to drive us away from? How will that help us win in Afghanistan (when this country was able to fight both Germany and Japan back when we didn't have a political party hell-bent on losing)? How will our friends being beheaded on the internet motivate anyone else to stand with us against Islamist terror? Obama has promised not to let Iraq fall into the hands of such people, so if you believe him, that means we run away, then have to go BACK IN in much more difficult circumstances than we face now. How is that wise?

How is it in our interest to starve companies and investors of capital? We have one of the world's highest corporate tax rates. Is making that even worse smart when companies are moving offshore?

How is speeding the process of cultural decay, family breakdown, illegitimacy, deviant behavior, and normalizing the unnatural and highly disease-causing in our children's interest?

How are racial preferences against the majority population in the interests of that majority?

If your method of analysis were applied to reliable Democratic voter blocs, say, African Americans, what would we see?

How do they benefit from soft on crime policies that encumber police and prosecutors and let criminals out of jail sooner if they get in at all?

How do they benefit from higher minimum wage laws that make it unprofitable to hire those with low job skills and checkered backgrounds?

How do they benefit from abortion policy that disproportionately kills black babies?

How do they benefit from their children being forced to attend failing schools and no others, and being told to be satisfied with yet more promises of glacially paced reform that above all benefits the entrenched and highly politicized educrat unions, promises elite politicians like Kennedy and Obama would never tolerate for their own children?

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICANS CAUSE HOUSING COLLAPSE ACCORDING TO WASHINGTON INVESTIGATORS

Associated press release follows....

WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 20, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

come back?/ well yes there was a chink over the last few days, but it has begun to swing back .... as many others have also noticed ...
anyway theres a huge load of bubbas and bubbettes - especially those blessed with multicoloured necks to go with their einstein-like reasoning, who given the choice of Mother Teresa runnning as a Democrat and Hitler as a Republican would still vote Republican ... these creatures are beyond redemption and recite Limbaugh and Fox stuff ... they have been succumbed into this by daytime TV and National Enquirer ....

Posted by: nurallahjivraj | October 20, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

By the way, nobody slimed Joe the Plumber. He was put in the media spotlight by the McCain campaign without his consent and the media began to research the poor guy. He was obviously speaking hypothetically with Obama about buying the plumbing business he works for and would benefit more from Obama's plan than from McCain's. He is still free to vote for McCain for philosophical reasons, but Obama and the "left" did not slime the guy. He was unintentionally injected into the campaign by McCain, who, typically, didn't vet him beforehand.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | October 20, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

rvgammill@yahoo.com wrote:

"McCain will win because it is not American to 'spread the wealth', it is American to have the freedom to create wealth."

The above fantasy should be modified to say that it's American to have the freedom to create wealth by exploiting and appropriating from others (i.e. legally sanctioned economic banditry called capitalism). And THEN NOT spread the wealth around (lest the labor inputs get used to it and worse, EXPECT it in the future)


Posted by: VMR1 | October 20, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, an article about what the McCain advisors insist is taking place. Maybe a little biased? Try this poll on the Electoral College and see how Obama blows McSame out of the race.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Chris all you are conveying are desperate measures from a desperate party.

Posted by: dorklord | October 20, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The Obama camp certainly should avoid the mistake of claiming victory before the vote. But the McCain camp visions of a trend in their direction are likely to be wishful thinking. The basic McCain problem is the difference between Obama and his ability to deal with the economy. That difference is a real one that the Republicans can't make go away. The Republican inability to find even a marginally legitimate wedge issue has left them relying on a dishonest smear campaign that has only served to dishonor them and undermine John McCain's strongest qualification to be President. All that is before we see the effect of Barack Obama's 150 million dollars and the results of his voter registration campaign. There is still the possibility of Obama mistakes and overconfidence. But he seems to have learned from past mistakes and the smell of victory is a strong motivator. The Republicans may manage enough optimism to at least sustain their maximum possible effort to win. But it is hard to see where the momentum is going to come from to chage the course of the contest.

Posted by: dnjake | October 20, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Umm, do you mean "making up" ground, as in confabulating a comeback for an underdog?

Posted by: lwps | October 20, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain coming back? I'm not sure that he's ever been anywhere. He's getting really enthusiastic crowds.
The Rasmussen daily tracking poll had Obama at 8% ahead over a week ago but for many days now the difference has been only 4%.
John McCain has been counted out by everyone from the Viet Cong to Republicans.
As his enemies always find out, it's a fool who counts McCain out.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | October 20, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"What I want to know, is how well do those polls reflect the 2008 electorate? If Obama has truly energized the youth vote, meaning they will be one to three more points of the voters than in 2004, how does that play out? These are voters who rely on their cell phones, often do not have a land line, and are often not home when pollsters call during prime time even if they have a land line."

This is one of the great mysteries of the election and I don't think we will have much clarity until the election is actually over. Most pollsters have changed their voter models to coincide with party affiliation (a LOT more Democrats today than in 2004) However, most of them are sticking with the 2004 model in voter turnout. Youths and minorities were pretty unreliable voters in 2004 and the pollsters expect the same in 2008. I think its up to these groups to prove the pollsters wrong.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

VOTE MCCAIN AND KISS YOUR BACKSIDE GOOD BYE TO THE PROSPERITY OF YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN!

THE TOP 1% OF THE NATION WILL WIDEN THE GAP FURTHER WIH THE MIDDLE CLASS AS THEY WILL BE THE FIRST OT BENEFIT UNDER THE NEOCONS AS THEY DID FDURING THE LAST 8 YEARS!

A VOTE FOR MACAIN IS A VOTE TO MORE DEBTS AND FOR MORE US TAXPAYER'S MONEY INVESTED FOR THE ELITISTS NEOCONS RICH BILLIONNAIRES WHO CANNOT WAIT TO CONTROL YOUR TOWNS, YOUR LIFESTYLE AND SQUEEZE EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU DO NOT ALREADY HAVE FROM YOUR CREDIT CARD AND LAUGH THEIR WAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK AS THEY USUALLY DO!

YET THEY CALL THEMSELVES DEFENDERS OF THE FREE MARKET!

IS IMBECILE THE TRADEMARK OF THE MIDDLE CLASS CITIZENS THAT THE TOP 1% OF THE NATION WANT TO STAMP IT FOR THE THIRD TIME IN A ROW WITH ALREADY 2 TERMS OF CALAMITIES UNDER BUSH!

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

What is interesting is that while the national numbers are tightening a little bit (from a high of 8% average national polls to 5%), the numbers in the battleground states, where Obama is devoting his time and money, are, in most cases, trending MORE toward Obama. In the states in play, Obama is in a stronger position than he was a week ago and the trends continue to move his way. There are no blue states left that are in play for McCain and Iowa, New Mexico, and (increasingly) Virginia look out of reach. Those three states, plus the Kerry states, contain enough votes for Obama to win. On top of that he has developed steady leads in Colorado, Nevada, Florida, Ohio, Missouri and even North Carolina. Obama could potentially tally between 350 and 400 electoral votes. It will be an amazing finish to an amazing campaign...

Posted by: johnsonc2 | October 20, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Sliming a white working man like Joe the Plumber is so typical of the liberal Democrat Socialists Obamanistas. It's not important if Joe's name isn't Joe, if he's not licenced by the Democratic Socialist Workers Party Union or just licenced locally, or is only dreaming about owning his own business and working for himself. What was important--and why the Obamanistas are trying to destroy Joe the Plumber's character and reputation--is his highly pertinent question that he stumped Socialist Barack Obama with. When Obama answered Joe's question, re. taxing the working people and small business owners making over $250,000 a year, Obama's answer was pure Socialism and Communism. Obama wants to re-distribute all wealth, or as the Communist's mantra goes, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Even if you're dumb enough to believe that Obama's tax plan is only to tax people making $250,000 a year--which is impossible when you look at his total plans of giving everything to everybody--the obvious fact is that the working men and women of America will be paying for it one way or the other. Since businesses and corporations don't pay any taxes at all (they pass their taxes on to the consumer in the form of higher prices on their products or services), in the end it will be the working people who'll be paying for any tax increase on businesses, corporations, and the people making more than $250,000 a year. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if I'm paying myself a million dollar a year salary from my business, I'll make the same no matter how high Obama's taxes hit me because I'll simply tack it on to whatever I'm selling, or whatever service I provide my customers. In the end it will be the working people who need my product or use my service who'll be paying the new Obama-taxes he'll force me to pay. About the only thing Obama's new taxes on people making more than $250,000 will do, is make everything we buy, and everything we use much more expensive. And it'll be the working people who'll be paying for it.

Posted by: armpeg | October 20, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

3000 people showed up to hear McCain in St Louis today.

Posted by: lwps | October 20, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I overwhelming blame the GOP for everything that has gone wrong for the past eight years. Everything from the 9/11 attacks that were warned against and ignored to the clog at the lending window because banks do not trust each other on account of mountains of avoidable BAD DEBT. I oppose the GOP's traditional smear campaigns that more voters than ever are wise to. Vote GOP and give your future away so that the obscenely rich can send your boy to die for oil.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | October 20, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

****Is McCain Coming Back?*****

From where? The crypt?

Posted by: Jerryvov | October 20, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain coming back?

Well Chris, Gallup says Obama is back up by 11% (52-41)in today's dailing tracking poll - so to answer your question, No!

Posted by: NMModerate1 | October 20, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Whatever the polls, if McCain wins the elections, he will not be president for long. Its growing cancer will open the door for the long awaited sarah pailin

Posted by: ram7 | October 20, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey blogger,

Did you see Gallup's numbers today by any chance. The fact is that Obama has hit a healthy plateau 50-52 and McCain is 42-45. You should read Nate Silver. He could teach you something about polls. But, of course, that would be counter intuitive. So, keep your diaper on. As for matters right under noses, what about that overtly racist campaign being waged by McCain/Palin. But you would never be moved to tell the truth and call it racist would you? Keep dreaming. It's over.

Posted by: agitate | October 20, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

You forgot Rasmussen -- McCain's four behind -- almost within the margin of error.

Posted by: info42 | October 20, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The traditional models of turnout have this as a 5 point race...figure in just a portion of the expected increase in turnout among young people and blacks and you have an 7-10 point race.

This Joe the Plumber thing is really only playing well among the repub base and uneducated whites. I was in an airport when McCain was on TV giving his Joe the Plumber and Joe the Bricklayer and Joe the Teacher speech. Everybody watching was laughing out loud at the absurdity of it all.

Posted by: sollazo | October 20, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama's achilles heel: The Trust Factor. I don't trust Obama, not because of any particular policy he advocates or opposes as he campaigns, or because of his parentage -- but because I believe his core political philosophy is radical leftism, and that is anathema to what's good for America. ....
Posted by: MichaelinAlaska | October 20, 2008 2:58 PM
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Alaska: that explains a lot.

So, in spite of any possible rational consideration, you just "know" that he's a radical leftist? Is that because you simply believe what Hannity tells you to believe? Please try to put a single rational thought together to support your decision; please do not rely on others to do your thinking for you.

Posted by: abqcleve | October 20, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Come on now Chris. I know you need a horse race to stay in business, but for the love of Pete... stop beating this dead horse. The McCain Campaign is done. Over. Fin.

Posted by: hiberniantears | October 20, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The numbers cited must've embolden the McCain camp. And with the endorsement of general Powell, they announced today that McCain has a change of heart against raising the spectre of rev. Wright, which they claim is in retaliation for congressman Lewis' pronouncement about their divisive tactics.

Posted by: tydicea | October 20, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

CharlieTuna, I think the mercury finally got to you.

Posted by: AlaskaMelts | October 20, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The question is not "Is McCain coming back?"

The question is, "Will he ever leave?"

Posted by: lonquest | October 20, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The country has been split for years now. I think Obama will still win, but there is a kind of Bradley effect coming, not so much based on race but more on ideological grounds. People will not be happy about some things they are forced to vote for, but will go for the best set of circumstances they can get. McCain/Palin for example is not ideal, but having Obama select the balance of power on the USSC is unacceptable to a great many of us.

Posted by: Bluefish2012 | October 20, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

BACK TO THE FUTURE: 2000, 2004 REDUX?

Fear and smear seems to work every time... especially when certain pollsters' data can be strategically massaged.

And how about these early voting reports of electronic voting machines registering votes for the WRONG candidate?

Could it be that the election is being stolen right before your eyes and mainstream media refuses to acknowledge the possibility?

Witness the official war on ACORN; even in a worse-case scenario, it's registration fraud, and not voter fraud... but does "Joe Sixpack" or Fox News make a distinction? Of course not.

Then there's this consideration:

WHAT IF McCAIN-PALIN'S STRATEGY IS AIMED NOT AT VOTERS, BUT AT THE APPARACHIK?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccain-palins-fellow-traveler-insinuations-what-if-u-s-security-forces-agree

OR members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 20, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Anyone--including media pundits--who believes that head-to-head national polls have any decisive bearing on an election that will be determined state-by-state, is either an idiot or deliberately deceiving, or both. And Chris Cillizza knows it. I'll let him tell us which of those categories he belongs in.

Posted by: infuse | October 20, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Appearing in our paper today were two letters to the editor where Obama supporters were talking about people removing their Obama yard signs. In an interview on TV was a McCain supporter talking about the fact that there seem to be many more McCain yard signs than Obama signs which may mean that the polls are wrong. Now put the two letters and the interview together and what do you get?

Another bit of McCain campaign activity meant to subvert the normal expression of people in the political process.

Thankfully, stealing yard signs will not take the persons' votes away. Of course, as I type, the Republicans are now trying to figure out a way to steal another election. As opposed to vote registration fraud, real vote fraud and vote suppression techniques will be planned. (Breaking news: Republicans finallt agreed with Dems that voters who have had foreclosed mortgages will not be harrassed at the polls. Great! There may be hope yet for a few Republican operatives.) At some point the Republicans will steal one election too many and America will fall. We are pretty far down the well shaft now.

Posted by: EarlC | October 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

don't worry. McCain will stick his foot up his rear again without a doubt.

Obama has the House !

Posted by: ripley8 | October 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

THis poll data is insane; one poll says it's only 4 points, i.e. pretty much within the margin of error, the other says it's 11 point, a statistically significant difference.

They say that opinions are like [youknowwhats] - everybody has them. Well, the ReUGLYcans also know that just like [youknowwhats], opinions expand and contract rather rapidly among the general public because their opinions are formed viscerally and not intellectually.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain will win because it is not American to 'spread the wealth', it is American to have the freedom to create wealth. The blinders are falling away and the polls reflect that. If you are outspent 4-1 and are still gaining ground, you must be fundamentally correct in your assumptions. And on the other hand, if you are outspending the opponent 4-1 and losing ground, there is something fundamentally flawed in your message.

Posted by: rvgammill@yahoo.com | October 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think it is beyond unethical for Cillizza to use yesterday's poll numbers instead of today's, when the results from today were already available at the time of this blog posting? We know Cillizza is a Republican hack, but, seriously, the Post should have some standards here.

Posted by: dime_dropper | October 20, 2008 2:29 PM
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I don't think Cillizza is a Republican hack, just one of the journalistic variety. I completely agree that it is very disingenuous for Chris to have promulgated a "discussion" based on known-old stats. He does that frequently. I can't tell if its just an MO that he uses to try to gin up activity (and ad revenue) on these boards, or whether he just works one day a week, writing columns in advance.....

Posted by: abqcleve | October 20, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden today said that the US people need to be prepared, because other countries are going to test the young (ie. inexperienced) new President.

Translation: Leftist supporters, please don't threaten us with war-crimes trials when we Obama gets us into a war after his unconditional talks go nowhere.

Posted by: pgr88 | October 20, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama's achilles heel: The Trust Factor. I don't trust Obama, not because of any particular policy he advocates or opposes as he campaigns, or because of his parentage -- but because I believe his core political philosophy is radical leftism, and that is anathema to what's good for America. What's more, he disingenuously (but skillfully) presents himself as a moderate unifier -- that just makes him a scarily good con man. It's clear now from plentiful enmeshed associations, work experience, and position records that Obama is a left of left radical, and ultimately, if elected, his policies and decisions will reflect that, regardless of his campaign representations. The choice of any leader should be a decision based on trust (more than policy) and Obama has failed that test. Choosing a politician based on his campaign promises/policies is like choosing a spouse based on wardrobe.

My Obama support decision making matrix would look something like this:

1. Obama is an admitted leftist radical: NO SUPPORT
2. Obama is a leftist radical pretending to be a moderate unifier: NO SUPPORT.
3. Obama is a genuine moderate who convincingly and thoroughly dealt with the numerous skeletons in his closet: HMMMMM.... MAYBE (but, not happening)
4. That's as far down the list that Obama gets, and, for now, I have him pretty firmly pegged at #2.

Posted by: MichaelinAlaska | October 20, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I just gave Obama $100 and volunteered over the weekend to make calls for GOTV. Don't take anything for granted. Beat the bleeping brains out of the Republicans. They are often straight ticket, unthinking voters who wont change no matter what the reality is on the ground. So beat their brains out by voting and being enthusiastic.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | October 20, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Indiana and Kentucky always report first at 7PM EST, so we will know soon enough if McCain is heading to bed early on Tuesday night.

Posted by: Digital_Voter | October 20, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and nothing proves the desperation of the right like trying to paint Colin Powell as racist. Nice job Limbaugh-you are the very reason Powell made the endorsement he did. You probably have succeeded in firing up your lowest common denominator-but if that worked, David Duke would be in congress today.

Posted by: whereareweandwhatarewedoinginthishandbasket | October 20, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICANS CAUSE HOUSING COLLAPSE ACCORDING TO WASHINGTON INVESTIGATORS

Associated press release follows....

WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 20, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters hoping that finally we have a candidate who will act in the best interests of ALL the people should beware. This country elected Bush twice; think about that. We're stunningly adept at voting against our own interests. We still might elect McBush and have to live with endless war, tax breaks for the rich, environmental neglect, attacks on Social Security and Medicare, and all the rest. IT CAN STILL HAPPEN.

Don't sit on your couch fretting or hoping things will finally change for you and your children. Get up, stand up. Make calls, knock on doors, talk to your neighbors. Encourage Obama supporters to VOTE (they don't always show up, but if they promise you they will, they're much more likely to). Visit your local Democratic office and find out what you can do.

Never overestimate the willingness of the American people to vote their best interests. They're easily swayed, and they've proven you wrong too many times in the past. Don't slow down until the afternoon of election day. Work for change!

Posted by: yogi11 | October 20, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I think for the most part-what is occurring is the undecideds making their selection. It is to be anticipated that, most undecideds would break for McCain. (If the change argument worked for them-they'd have long ago decided). Not a surprise. What has never been a factor in recent gen election campaigns, however, is the uprecentented nature of the Dem GOTV. There is nothing in the polling in the old models that can or will account for the massive effect of this factor.

Posted by: whereareweandwhatarewedoinginthishandbasket | October 20, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain Coming Back? Succintly, no.

What else is his team supposed to say? But to make sure he doesn't come back, I'll be making another donation to the Obama campaign and getting out the vote.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!

Posted by: DinahS | October 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The mainstream media would probably be among the last to take note of any voter preference swings toward McCain, given their near hysterical allegiance to Obama's candidacy. It is likely that voter concerns about Obama's questionable background and ideology have never been significantly relieved. History shows that the economy will improve --- or not --- regardless of who wins this election. Concerns for the economy notwithstanding, there are other issues significant to this election and voters are not unaware of that fact.

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 20, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

TIME TO BE VIGILENT! TIME TO BE EXTREMELY VIGILENT UNTIL THE 4TH NOVMEBR!

DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED OR LOWER YOUR GUARD!

IN FACT IT IS TIME TO BE MORE FOCUS ON THE GOAL TO ACHIEVE!

DO NOT TRUST THE POLLSTERS! DO NOT TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND ABOVE ALL TIME FOR DEMOCRATS AND MODERATE REPUBLICANS NOT TO BE COMPLIACENT!

THE HARD WORK AT GRASSROOT LEVEL MUST CONTINUE UNTIL THE 4TH NOVEMEBER!

TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT INDEPENDENT VOTERS ARE NOT ROBBED FROM VOTING WITH FLORIDA'S LIKE FRAUD OR SIMILAR TACTICS LIKE ASKING THEM TO SIGN A PETITION AGAINST CHILDREN MOLESTERS AS DONE RECENTLY IN CALIFORNIA TO SIGN UNAWARE INDEPENDENT VOTERS TO JOIN GOP!

BE VIGILENT! BE EXTREMELY VIIGLENT ESPECIALLY WHEN THE ANIMAL IS TERMINALLY WOUNDED IT CAN CAUSE DAMAGE ALONG THE WAY!

TIME TO PUT THE NEOCONS DOWN MERCIFULLY BUT WITH NO ARROGANCE OR OVER CONFIDENCE!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS HOW McCAIN IS MAKING UP GROUND...


STORY IN SATURDAYS W.V. CHARLESTON GAZETTE-MAIL

By Paul J. Nyden
Staff writer

WINFIELD, W.Va. -- Three Putnam County voters say electronic voting machines changed their votes from Democrats to Republicans when they cast early ballots last week.

This is the second West Virginia county where voters have reported this problem. Last week, three voters in Jackson County told The Charleston Gazette their electronic vote for "Barack Obama" kept flipping to "John McCain".

In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections.

Both county clerks said the problem is isolated.

Shelba Ketchum, a 69-year-old nurse retired from Thomas Memorial Hospital, described what happened Friday at the Putnam County Courthouse in Winfield.

"I pushed buttons and they all came up Republican," she said. "I hit Obama and it switched to McCain.

I am really concerned about that. If McCain wins, there was something wrong with the machines.

"I asked them for a printout of my votes," Ketchum said. "But they said it was in the machine and I could not get it.

I did not feel right when I left the courthouse. My son felt the same way.

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 20, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain did it with Keatings.

Todd Palin wants Alaska Country.

45% backing failed BUSH policies.

I think its time rest of the world will start ignoring a country called USA once McCain wins and goes for another war.

I can not believe this is happening.

Till 2000, rest of the world thought America is smart and educated country.

After McCain wins, its going to be 4th world country and will depend on 3rd world countries like China, India, etc.

EURO will be $3 worth then.

GAS will be $6 soon McCain takes the seat.

Palin, will appoint 2 more conservative Judge's and push BAN on Abortion even to raped woman asking them to carry it to abondon it into foster schools (your tax money).

BUSH Laden will sit together drinking Cindy's bear in Arab.

Dick cheney will be shooting in head to who ever trys to write this in newspaper.

Posted by: Lalalu | October 20, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the eternal search for a Story; Journalist purgatory. I _knew_ the comeback narrative was on the way. There's two weeks left, and what's a writer to do?

Posted by: rscalf | October 20, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Alert to WaPo Moderator:
Please take off posts by "conradh" - they are racist. probably belongs to the klan and is posting here.

Posted by: pixiedust1 | October 20, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to me to hear Republican operatives in my area of SE Virginia saying that Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama is "nothing." How quickly these people will attempt to marginalize one of the "larger than life" generals of a generation.

As God's people of old wanted a king and got King Saul, "God's" people wanted a "Christian" President and got George Bush. As with King Saul, Bush has been a big disappointment. Why do you think that this is so? For many Christians, the answer is obvious.

Let's see some of the things that have been accomplished during the past 8 years under "Christian" control.

1. Abortion is still legal.
2. Mandated school prayer is still unlawful.
3. A war of choice is faught in Iraq with the killing of thousands of inoocent people.
4. The real cause of 9/11 still evades capture after relocating to Pakistan from Afghanistan, the real locus of Al Qaida after 9/11.
5. After 6 years of Republican control, the people spoke in 2006 and started the process of reclaiming their government.
6. The largest meltdown of the fiancial system in our country has occurred.
7. The superwealthy continued to get wealthier even as their corporations were going belly up.
8. We have managed to add another 5 trillion dollars to the national debt, while cutting taxes during a time of war.
9. Tricke-down economics has just about trickled its last, thanks to the meltdown.
10. Like David, God has raised up a man to try to slay the mighty Goliath of greed, irresponsibility, and slease.
11. Abortion rates are increasing after decreasing under Clinton.
12. States have begun to legalize same-sex marriages. (I guess this is what Republicans mean by "state's rights.")


I just heard Rush Limbaugh regarding Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama. I hope that Rush gets his wish and is thrown off the airwaves. There is little doubt that Rush is testing the fringes of extremism. May the KKK, White Supremists, neo-cons, and others follow Rush off the cliff. Hate speech has no place in American politics and in the public square.

Posted by: EarlC | October 20, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain Coming Back? No
I am what the media might consider a redneck, joe the plumber, or joe six-pack. I am sick of the Republican party talking to us like we are bunch of simple minded people that need handle details. We have enough common sense to know that Obama did not create problems in this economy, the war, and the hosuing mess. We are not dumb, please stop talking to us like we bunch of pot belly, pick up driving rednecks. Obama is talikng to the working man and woman with respect. Again, how Sarah Palin be on Saturday Night Live, when I men and woman are flighting and dying in the Middle East. Obama has my vote. I sick and bored of the media ongoing coverage of this election.

Posted by: nativeva1 | October 20, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Once Obama finally grabs the white house with his ‘SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND’ dogma, socialism will be guaranteed. Except this time it will have the influence of Rev. Right, Ayer and Farakkan."

I would like to congratulate the sock puppet that came up with this. This is the most succinct summary of the wing-nut worldview I have ever read. You even managed to misspell the names of each member of the Unholy Trinity.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 20, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow...Obama is polling over 50% nationally. That is the line where you can say it is pretty much over.

Posted by: lwps | October 20, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Can Money Buy the presidency of the
United States of America?
obama is the first general election
candidate to turn down public finance
limits, imposed to do away with
Money Buying Influence.
Who's pocket is obama's hand in?

NOBAMA08

Posted by: USA3 | October 20, 2008 1:55 PM
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Reality Check: The Obama campaign reported 623,000 new donors in the month of September (Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122441294251948009.html?mod=googlenews_wsj).

Of any of the specious Republican innuendoes slithering their way around the net, the one with the least credibility is that Obama's record fundraising comes from fat cat special interests. Get your falsehoods straight. If he's "socialist," how can he also be in someone's pocket?


Posted by: multiplepov | October 20, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

What those of us who are not in the "halve and halve more's" group = that's about 95% of us = need to do is to be sure our friends and family and anyone else who will listen realize that for 8 years = the Bush/McCain group have taken from the 95% of us and given to the 5% = spreading the wealth upward and upward. What Senators Obama/Biden will do is stop the flow upward and provide a fairer distribution.

Posted by: sally1231 | October 20, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

trace1, why does that innocent baby deserve death? How does the circumstances of conception determine whether a human being has the right to live? Maybe someone you know personally or saw today was conceived via rape or incest; it happens. Are they less human, less deserving of protection than you?

Now if you're going to argue that ALL unborn babies are subhuman medical detritus, able to be discarded without consequence, that's one thing.

But to make the circumstances of conception the determinator of whether someone has the right to live or not makes little sense.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

BE VIGILENT! BE EXTREMELY VIGILENT!

THE NEOCONS EXTREMISTS FUNDAMENTALISTS TALIBANS EVANGELISTS ARE PRAYING IN THEIR MEGA CHURCHES FOR BIN LADEN TO RELEASE A TAPE TO GIVE A NEW LEASE OF LIFE TO MCSAME'S SHAMBLE CAMPAIGN!

I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT CERTAIN HOLLYWOOD DIRECTORS ARE READY TO RELEASE A FAKE COPY WITH THE HELP OF THE LIKES OF SO CALLED FAIR AND BALANCED MEDIA TO PLAY THEIR PART AND MISINFORM THE PUBLIC IN AN ACT OF DESPERATION TO CHANGE THE TOP CORE ISSUE: ECONOMICAL CRISIS!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I can't decide who is pushing the purported McCain comeback harder: the Obama campaign which is terrified that their supporters will become complacent and forget to vote, or the McCain campaign that wants everyone to think they still have shot.

Regardless, the general tracking polls are irrelevant. Remember we use the Electoral College and all that matters is getting to 270.

Posted by: smeesq | October 20, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Chris should have posted this a few days ago. Because things have shifted back.

In the Gallup models:

RV: Obama up 11
LV (traditional): Obama up 5
LV (expanded): Obama up 9

Zogby: Obama up 6

State polls:
OH: Obama up 9 (Suffolk)
NC: Obama up 7 (PPP - had it closer last week)
VA: Obama up 10 (Rasmussen - up 3 last week)

Was there some tightening and coming home for conservative Republicans? Sure. Are there enough of them to matter? No.

Posted by: ElrodinTennessee | October 20, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

The SILENT majority will decide this election on November 4th.

Posted by: Texan2007 | October 20, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I don’t pay attention to polls. I am shocked how close McCain is, despite the fact that our press has been trying to brainwash us for months with pro-Obama mantra. So much for democracy in this country. Controlled and biased press was a tool used in the propaganda machine in USSR.

Once Obama finally grabs the white house with his ‘SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND’ dogma, socialism will be guaranteed. Except this time it will have the influence of Rev. Right, Ayer and Farakkan.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Just like with McCain's other failed campaign stunts, "Joe the Plumber" failed because he turned out to be a Liar, a Fraud and a Tax Cheat.


It's the end of the GOP as we know it ...and I feel fine.


"Our economy is structurally sound for the long term"
George W Bush - Feb 11, 2008


"The American people can remain confident in the soundness and the resilience of our financial system"
Henry Paulson - Sept 15, 2008


"The economy is fundamentally sound"
Herbert Hoover - October, 1931


"The fundamentals of our economy are strong"
John McCain - Sept 15, 2008


McCain does not have the ability to fix this economic crisis. After declaring the fundamentals of the economy strong, he created a political circus in Washington by mucking up bailout negotiations; a deplorable campaign stunt, considering he and his political cronies helped cause the current meltdown.


It was McCain and his economic adviser Phil Gramm who pushed for the deregulation that helped lead to the banking crisis, and it was McCain's crony Rick Davis who had deep lobbyist ties to Freddie Mac. Don't let others be fooled by McCain's economic grandstanding because the reality is his policies and principles will only exacerbate our financial hardships.


McCain is being deceitful with his sudden populist message and support for regulation; his economic policies still favor our nation's wealthy elite.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Joe the Plumber is worried about taxes? Now for a fact check. His real first name isn't "Joe," he isn't a licensed plumber, and he doesn't pay all of his taxes, anyway, apparently. Basically, the guy is a fraud. But that won't stop the McCain "straight talk" express!

Really, can't McCain do a better job of vetting?


Posted by: trace1 | October 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Its interesting that the polls are showing a sort of 'comeback' for McCain, yet the same pollsters are showing a larger lead in the electorate for Obama.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 20, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

cdierd1944 - Nick ("gouldnen") really is a pretty sick individual. He is one of those Pennsylvania fruitcakes that the Secret Service is paying close attention to these days. He thinks he is pretty smart, posting some rather dangerous threats, but we have tracd most them back to him. (Oh, hi there Nick.)

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 20, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that last debate was so scary good for McSame. I'm surprised he's not in the lead. hahahaha

Posted by: Flabergasted | October 20, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

willandjansdad1, your name calling is predictable and exposes your lack of substance. These days, an overwhelming majority of the time, a "racist" is someone who commits forbidden truth or is winning a factual argument. In any event, in our inter-dependent world, which invests heavily in the US, when we get seriously ill, the contagion does not remain within our borders.

The fact remains that affirmative action lending was a centerpiece of Fannie Mae and Freddie Macs stepped-up efforts beginning in the Clinton years. The New York Times recently published a long piece where former Housing Secretary Cisneros is identified as a central player in the mess.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Our America is now in a very trying time, with so many difficulties. To make this turbulent time better will be an enormous challenge to whoever will be the next President and Vice President. It will surely need a lot of changes, planning and sacrifices. Earnestly, we need a very good leader to direct us out of this turmoil.

“I sense in him first-class temperament and first-class intellect………and the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader”; the perception of a Republican endorsing Senator Obama. His calm, patient, intellectual and steady approaches to problem-solving are the observations of another Republican’s endorsement of Senator Obama. I have these insights of Senator Obama too. I also see him as being diplomatic and collected, yet firm and tough.

Senator Obama is respectable and very presidential. I found him focused, steady and dignified, staying above inappropriate attacks on his character. Steadfast, reliable, organized and genuinely caring, I believe and trust the Obama/Biden team will do an excellent job in meeting the challenges. I fully trust them to keep America great, especially for the future of my children and grandchildren, in these coming years.

Posted by: canozaro | October 20, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, the other 1 % going to third party candidates.

Posted by: mathas | October 20, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"One newspaper mentioned something interesting. Since Feb 2008, Obama NEVER had a month where his poll number went down against his opponent. "

Wow

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If I wanted to live in a country where a religious leader would use government power to prohibit my 14-year-old daughter from aborting a rapist's baby, I would move to Saudi Arabia or Iran.

Think about it, people. Those of you who argue for small government ought not to inject politicians in these very difficult family matters.

No way, no how, NO PALIN.

Posted by: trace1 | October 20, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think it is beyond unethical for Cillizza to use yesterday's poll numbers instead of today's, when the results from today were already available at the time of this blog posting? We know Cillizza is a Republican hack, but, seriously, the Post should have some standards here.

Posted by: dime_dropper | October 20, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Bush beat Kerry by 51 to 48 percent in the last election, with the other 2 percent going to third party candidates.

I would expect a similar result this time, with Obama winning the popular vote, but probably 300-320 electoral votes as compared to Bush's 286.

Posted by: mathas | October 20, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Its allllll about TURNOUT now!

McCain's wing-nut fringe and hardcore base WILL be going to the polls in high percentages.

Obama voters MUST GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE or Palin/McCain will sneak right on by...

DON'T BLOW IT NOW! GO VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN!!!

Posted by: onestring | October 20, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

FULL DISCLOSURE. WHO IS MICHAEL SIGNATOR: OBAMA'S FRIEND, CONFIDANT, LOVER? The media has persecuted everyone associated with this campaign, even those not connected with the campaign, like Joe the Plumber. SO WHY THE SILENCE FROM OBAMA? IS THIS MAN HIS DRUGDEALER? HIS GAY LOVER? (Both of those conjectures have been fully revealed by bloggers seeking the truth.) Of course, you won't see these questions posed by the media to OBAMA, because he's "The One" and not to be investigated, questioned or even spoken to directly. Obama is too important, and too FAR ABOVE THE PUBLIC - AND FAR SUPERIOR TO HIS FELLOW PUBLIC SERVANTS to be so humanely examined. But, on the other hand, it's just fine for Obama, the media, the sick sycophant bloggers to try to harm a woman of courage and conviction - a family woman, a loving mother, a HUGELY popular governor (imagine an elected official who has maintained their integrity while garnering 80 PERCENT of their public's approval). Silly me......... INTEGRITY IS A WORD NEVER ASSOCIATED WITH OBAMA

Posted by: DemocratForPeace | October 20, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

WE DONT HEAR A LOT FROM SARAH THESE DAYS WHAT HAPENNED TO HER! IS KARL ROVE PLAYING THE ULTRA SAFE CARD WITH HER AND DO NOT WANT HER TO OPEN HER MOUTH!

IS HE PROTECTING HER FORM THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WITH THE HELP OF RIGHT WING MEDIA OWNERS IN RETURN FOR MORE BONNANZA DEBT TO BENEFIT THE TOP 1% WITH US TAXPAYER'S MONEY FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS!

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans steal this election, I will quit my job. I will not support a fascist regime.

Posted by: msmart2 | October 20, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that in the next two weeks, voters will come to the realization that they are not ready to trust the security of our country to the new guy on the block, particularly with Sen. Biden now predicting that Obama will be tested soon after taking office. Not very reassuring, is it Joe?

Posted by: PASpilman | October 20, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain should keep her trap shut and maintain her previous Stepford Wife persona. By the way she's not qualified to be First Lady. She should not be occupying the White House, unless you want to call her "First Homewrecker".

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 20, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can conduct a poll of intellectually challenged Journalism school grads.
Obama 95%
McCain 3%
Undecided 2%

Posted by: dcn1 | October 20, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

THE REAL JOHN McCAIN – OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE MIDDLE AND & WORKING CLASS….

McCain's Mansions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek3jAkx9m10

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Of course, this only applies to people who actually think about issues in real terms. The KoolAid drinkers will goose-step behind their new Messiah right through the very gates of Hell, chanting:

Yes we can! [stomp]
Can! [stomp]
Can! [stomp]
Can! [stomp]

Posted by: NeverLeft
*******************************

You should have neverleft the sanitarium you crawled out of. The smell of desperation and b.o, follow you everywhere, huh crazy?

Posted by: LABC | October 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Numbers show what they've always shown. Minorities and students are not polled

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

I look at the national trsacking polls with a bit of a jaundiced eye - especially this late in the game. For one thing- they query/survey nationally - but the election will be won/lost based upon electoral college votes which are based upon STATE results.

So I go to battleground state polls conducted by colleges and newspapers within each state.

There Obama rocks.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | October 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

There has been a disturbingly steady tick up in McCain's national numbers and a slight tick down in Obama's numbers over the last week. Not alot -- maybe not significant -- but it is there.

I think what we might be seeing is that few percent of "undecides" who were undecided because of the unmentionable issue of race have found other ways to rationalize why it is OK to vote for McCain.

Unless Obama gets into the 55% + range in the polls, it will be too close to call, and if he has not done it by now I am not sure he will be able to (that's not to say he would not win, but no one could meaningfully predict).

Posted by: MShake | October 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Washington Post,

your numbers are NOT UP TO DATE!

Today's Gallup Poll has Barack Obama leading John McCain by 11% (ELEVEN!) among registered voters, 52% to 41% - this is OBAMA'S BIGGEST LEAD during the whole campaign,

and 52% to 43% among likely voters (expanded model) or 50% to 45& respectively (traditional model).

So, if anyone is edging higher again, it is Barack Obama, in spite of all the propaganda and wishful thinking of the fear-mongering and desperate Bush-McCain Republicans.

Posted by: DiversEquality2008 | October 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse


How stupid and gullible is your mainstream media? "McCain advisers say ...." Well what the hell do you THINK they're going to say.

Posted by: monk4hall | October 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to be everybody's president, an inclusive kinda a guy. But what if the nominally intelligent 1/2 of us wants nothing to do with the other half, the s-bags represented on these blogs by the likes of "USA3" and "sagereader"?

Why dont't we just cede them a few contiguous states no one cares about (Alabama/Mississippi/ Arkansas/Oklahoma), let 'em have their own country, and be rid of 'em for good.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, McCain called Northern Virginians not the real Virginians, and his brother called them commies. And now he is losing ground in Virginia. I for one am not surprised that people are not buying into his negative hype.

He still has not told us how he will be different than George Bush, because in fact he follows the same political philosophy as Bush. He is fact, given his tempment and thirst for war, given the chance will probably do even worse than Bush by getting us into more wars.

Posted by: DrWho2 | October 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"Fascism is a totalitarian and nationalist ideology. It is primarily concerned with perceived problems associated with cultural, economic, political, and social decline or decadence (gay marriage, abortion?), and which seeks to solve such problems by achieving a national rebirth by exalting the nation (country first!), protecting the nation from what fascism deems as the excesses of the internationalist ideologies of capitalism and communism (Hussein Obama and those anti-American liberals!) by advocating a Third Position, promoting the territorial defense (jail those non-English speaking illegals!) or expansion of a nation through a constant state of military preparedness (invasions of Iraq, etc.), and promotion of militarism as well as promoting cults of unity, strength and purity (cleansing through witchcraft?)."

I think I'll take the Socialist.

Posted by: GenuineRisk | October 20, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

HOW STRANGE THAT MCSAME SUDDENLY REMEMBERED TO FIGHT THE FIGHT ON BEHALF OF JOE THE PLUMBER JUST DURING THE LAST 3 WEEKS OF HIS CAMPAIGN!!!

WHERE WAS JOE THE PLUMBER BEFORE IN MCSAME CAMPAIGN?

TOO LATE TOO LITTLE!

MCSAME CAMPAIGN MOTTO

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WISH THIS 72 YEARS OLD PENSIONNER A NICE RETIREMENT!

AS FOR SARAH BAD NEWS I AM AFRAID!

I AM TRAINING MY PARROT TO CHALLENGE YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR GOVERNANCE OF ALASKA! YOU BETTER WATCH OUT SARAH! HE IS BETTER THAN YOU AT STICKING TO THE SCRIPT!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain is toast.........an old stale piece at that.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I was pleasantly surprised today when the Gallup daily tracking poll showed Obama ahead by 11% vice the 10% yesterday. The polls in various battlefield states are still showing movement toward Obama.

The McCain campaign obviously is trying to put as good a face on this as they can. The Obama campaign is obviously trying to be much more conservative in tone about the polls. However, I think that decent American voters will continue to be turned off by the McCain campaign, its tone, and its content.

Colin Powell gave the country a lesson yesterday. His words were well-chosen. People who still think for themselves will evaluate Powell's words and then reflect on their own analyses at this point. Those who listen to Rush Limbaugh and his "race" only reason for Powell's endorsement of Obama are the extreme partisans who still prefer to follow a "recovered" drug abuser than to listen to other viewpoints.

To borrow a phrase from Ronald Reagan, the patron saint of the Republican Party, ask "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?"

Just listen to the Republican operatives answers to the choice of Sarah Palin, the use of Bill Ayers, the use of words like "socialism," and so forth.

Of historical note, just go back and look at the hand gestures of Nikita Kruschev, a former USSR leader, and those of McCain. Look especially at now he uses the hand with pointed finger and the strong downswing.

Posted by: EarlC | October 20, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain is toast.........an old stale piece.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | October 20, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Gallup Daily
Gallup Daily: Obama’s Lead Edges Higher
Has double-digit lead among registered voters
October 20, 2008Gallup Poll Daily tracking now gives Barack Obama an 11 percentage point lead over John McCain in the presidential vote preferences of all registered voters, 52% to 41%. Obama still leads, but by single digits, among “traditional” and “expanded” likely voters.

Posted by: LABC | October 20, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I read this morning that with the exception of one visit to Madison, WI, Obama's schedule between today and Nov. 4 is exclusively in Bush '04 states. I figured that would be worth a post by The Fix.

While I understand why The Fix is so fixated on polls, any informed guess on what Obama's ground game will produce? The Fix nailed it when he mentioned that McCain's comeback is the natural tightening to be expected as election day nears. What I want to know, is how well do those polls reflect the 2008 electorate? If Obama has truly energized the youth vote, meaning they will be one to three more points of the voters than in 2004, how does that play out? These are voters who rely on their cell phones, often do not have a land line, and are often not home when pollsters call during prime time even if they have a land line. Many of the same things could be said, though not to the same degree, of the minority vote that is mobilizing. Combine that with a dispirited Republican (why vote, they're just going to lose anyway) vote and I think The Fix's map under-represents the true state of affairs. I saw Jesse Venture turn the electorate in MN upside down and I think Obama could do the same.

Posted by: caribis | October 20, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

There are two weeks to go, and now that Joe the Tax Evader has been found out to be a liar, and NOT your average joe nice guy - McCain will loose ground for yet another trick the American people stint! McCain has a bag of tricks, and NOT one of them is Pro-American!

Posted by: msreginacomcastnet | October 20, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I voted this morning in Florida.

Heavy voter turnout in Tampa Bay area.

I waited an hour.

Posted by: toritto | October 20, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Expect it too tighten so the race can get below a percent in difference. Look at Gore and Bush race. It is a matter of the the electoral college votes -- and that can get close -- Again, look at Gore and Bush.

Posted by: frederick2 | October 20, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Lstarr3, your comment is petty, and therefore not worth addressing. Grow up.

Posted by: info40 | October 20, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

As I have said before, racists and one policy voters (abortion) will not vote for Barack Obama. Virtually everyone else will and the country needs Obama/Biden for the next eight years to restore our image in the world as well as to bring peace and unity to our own country.

Posted by: gilbertpb40 | October 20, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Instead of talking about:
1. The Economy
2. Health Care
3. Education
4. The War

McCain/Palin instead results to HATE ATTACKS on Obama...

The chairman of the Virginia Republican Party Del. Jeffrey M. Frederick has compared Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to Osama bin Laden…

THE REAL NEGATIVE IS, THEY ARE DIVIDING THE NATION BY RACE, ETHNIC GROUP AND COLOR…

REMEMBER – AMERICA IS THE “MELTING POT” OF THE WORLD

Stirring up racism, hate, and extremism to win an election is not what AMERICA STANDS FOR….

The McCain/Palin/Lieberman campaign discourse is sliding into what is very commonly accepted in third world countries....

Whatever happened to civil discourse!!

MCCAIN/PALIN=BRIDGE TO NOWHERE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 20, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

John McCain and that beautiful woman Sarah Palin have been in the lead all along, and it's just that liberal left wing media that's makin up all these stinkin polls and lyin to the public! Just stay strong white brothers and sisters! We will continue to reign over the heathens! USA USA USA!!! Drill baby Drill! Drill baby Drill! Drill baby Drill! They been lyin to the public about this so called recession too! Phil Gramm knows the real deal and that it's nothin but those black, latino and other race peoples that are whinin and cryin about not havin jobs and bein lazy and they think that we owe em somethin! Well we don't! and the economy is just as perfect as it's always been, and this is just a mental recession! Don't let the minorities keep ya down brothers and sisters! Our savior is a maverick and he and his crew of generals and white leaders are gonna take care of all of us. Can ya'll even imagine if Hussein was our president?! NO WAY NO HOW!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!! HE's AN ARAB!!!

Posted by: conradh | October 20, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse


I'm sure that a poll taken of the committee to elect McCain were taken, McCain would be seen as gaining ground. Still not ahead but gaining ground.

Posted by: racam | October 20, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

VOTE FOR MCCAIN AT YOUR OWN PERIL!

MCCAIN LAUGHING AT YOU WITH JOE THE PLUMBER AND OTHER GIMMICKS!

YEAH RIGHT MCSAME! COMING FROM SOMOEONE WHO HAS NEVER HAD TO PAY MORTGAGE, OWN A SMALL BUSINESS OR LIVE THE LIFE OF A MIDDLE CLASS CITIZEN AND YET YOU TRY TO CONVINCE ME YOU ARE DEFENDING ME! GOOD TRY DURING THE LAST 3 WEEKS OF THE CAMPAIGN! I WONDER WHERE WAS JOE THE PLUMBER AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR CAMPAIGN?

THE NEXT 4 YEARS WILL SEE ALL THOSE FAILING BILLIONNAIRES RETURNING WITH A BIGGER VENGANCE AND MORE MORE US TAXPAYER'S MONEY HANDED TO THEM!

NO WONDER THEY ARE GAMBLING IT ALL WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE MAINSTREAM RIGHT WING MEDIA OWNERS THAT BELONG TO THE TOP 1% OF THE NATION.

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Republican Hate and Racism YOU CAN BELIEVE IN
Sara Palin is the biggest promoter of this kind of behavior. Her and Joe 6Pack. Poor Joe. It's Anti-American.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hate-you-can-believe-acorn-deluged-threatening-and-racist-voicemails-and-emails

Posted by: glacy3 | October 20, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS REPUBLICANS CAUSED HOUSING COLLAPSE WITH STEALTH MONEY

AP Press Release........
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

Associated Press Release link follows

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 20, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious, Chris? Or was this a rhetorical question/joke?

If so, allow me to answer with another rhetorical question:

How can McCain seriously claim he is on the comeback this week after:

1- his team lost their 4th straight debate (by a wide margin)

2- his running mate argued that small towns are the only ProAmerica parts of the country

3- Palin followed this up by totally bombing out on SNL (and at the same time, irritated the idiots in the evangelical base)

4- the most (if not only) respected Republican gave his endorsement to Obama, and

5- Obama announced record fundraising backed by an avalanche of new small donors

??????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 20, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LStarr3
It's incredible that voters "overwhelmingly" blame Bush and the GOP for the economic mess. Certainly, Bush pushed affirmative action lending so he could crow about "record minority homeownership" but there's no question that the Democrats and their "anti-redlining" activist allies were even more enthusiastic and responsible for pressuring and forcing lenders to lower standards.

This is the racist "brown people did it" lie that the GOP is spreading. Read a little recent news about the collapse of the Irish and Icelandic economies.

No Brown People there.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 20, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

This has been the trend since the very beginning: the more people learn the truth(s) about Barack Hussein 0bama, the less they are willing to vote for him.

Of course, this only applies to people who actually think about issues in real terms. The KoolAid drinkers will goose-step behind their new Messiah right through the very gates of Hell, chanting:

Yes we can! [stomp]
Can! [stomp]
Can! [stomp]
Can! [stomp]

Posted by: NeverLeft | October 20, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cillizza,

No, I don't think McCain is making a comeback. Many Americans went into last week's Debate with their minds already made up with the candidate they were voting for. Each man has shown what he is worth and what he can contribute to the Presidency.

But I will say that McCain was in rare form in the last Debate last week--lots of snarky retorts and fidgety body language--he made me very uncomfortable just watching him. It made me think hypothetically how he would respond as our next President in a catastrophe such as 9/11--and based on what I witnessed and heard during the Debate I believe he would flip his lid and not think rationally, nor act responsibly. I am sure many people concluded the same.

Obama/Biden 2008

Posted by: info40 | October 20, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

In a twisted sort of way I almost want McCain to win this election because four more years worth of failed Bush/McCain policies would for all intents and purposes be the end of the Republican party as we know it today. They would become the 4th party gadflies that they deserve to be.


The only question is, would this country survive it?


You people out there who live in economic downtrodden states like Ohio, West Virgina and Pa etc, if you are stupid enough to vote for McCain, you will deserve every single bit of economic hardship that a McCain presidency will give you.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek3jAkx9m10
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 20, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain coming back? No. He's actually fading away. (I just wish he was doing it in a classier way for the sake of those of us who used to respect him for his service.)

Posted by: miraclestudies | October 20, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

All the polls I see are holding firm for Obama. With endorsements from Warren Buffet and Colin Powell (both wild-eyed radical pinko-Islamists) he keeps McCain out there in Right field with the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party.

$150 million bucks voted against his VP choice and his negative slimy campaign in September, (not to mention the millions that have donated to Planned Parenthood in Sarah Palin's name) wait until you see the turnout for the election.


01/20/09. End of an Error!

Posted by: thebobbob | October 20, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Gallup poll actually says today that Obama's lead actually went up in both REGISTERED VOTE AND TRADITIONAL VOTERS category from last week, though the REGISTERED voters can be considered much reliable than TRADITIONAL voters category in this election. TRADITIONAL voters reflects the theory that Republicans turn out more than Democrats, which will not be true this time. Democrats are as much energised, infact more than Republicans this time.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111274/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Edges-Higher.aspx


Posted by: nri1998 | October 20, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight.

Bush's incompetence allowed us to be devastated on 9-11.

Then Bush failed to get bin Laden because of Bush's invented war in Iraq, which ruins the US economy and the US military (45,000+ soldiers die or are wounded, Halliburton and Exxon-Mobil get rich).

Bush then runs an extremist right-wing agenda aimed at destroying the US Constitution.

Bush claims to win the war in Iraq but five years after "victory" we still spend $10 billion per month and have most of our army in Iraq while victory in Afghanistan sinks out of reach and Bush does NOTHING to solve the Middle East crisis, which is worse than ever.

Bush also wrecks the US economy (which as any intelligent person knows doesn't go up or down in two year's time) thanks to massive fraud on Wall Street thanks to deregulation which JOHN McCAIN championed, although with massive budget deficits.

Now all the National Socialist (Republican) propagandists wish the intelligent voter to think that FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH under JOHN McCAIN will fix everything by raising taxes on the middle class and by rewarding greed and massive deficit spending.

We have truly become a mass marketing society, preferring style over any substance whatsoever. JOHN McCAIN, SARAH PALIN and JOE THE FAKE PLUMBER AND TAX CHEAT are the main examples of this. And how can anyone think a 26-year Senate veteran with seven houses, 13 automobiles, a young millionaire trophy wife will fight for anyone except the RICHEST OF THE RICH?

Posted by: jjedif | October 20, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Someone slashed the tires of at least 30 vehicles parked outside the Crown Coliseum on Sunday during a rally for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, authorities said.

Sheriff’s deputies are investigating. The tires were cut while people were inside the Crown Coliseum listening to speeches, said Maj. E. Wright of the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office.

You slashers better watch out. This redneck for Obama is armed.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 20, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS:
FOX NEWS THE FAIR AND BALANCED MEDIA IS SUPPORTING MCCAIN!

WHAT A SURPRISE!

THE OWNER OF FOX NEWS WHO HAPENNED TO BE A RIGHT WING NEOCON SUPPORTER AND BELONGS TO THE TOP 1% OF THE NATION WANTS TO ENCOURAGE MEDIOCRITY IN JOURNALISM AND TURN HIS MEDIA EMPIRE INTO A TOOL OF MISINFORMATION NOT INFORMATION AS IT HAPENNED UNDER THE NAZIS!


HOW EMBARASSING! GIMMICKS ABOVE SUBSTANCE!

ARE FOX NEWS READERS REAL PROFESIONAL JOURNALISTS OR CELEBRATIES WITH NO JOURNALISM SUSBSTANCE AT ALL?

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

The short answer to the question posed by this Blog:

No.

Posted by: multiplepov | October 20, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

tonyharding wrote:
"If nothing else the Bush years taught a profound lesson - the one the thing Americans react to most profoundly is fear...Play on Americans' hidden fears and a percentage will start running all over the place"

Ain't that the truth! There's a real schizophrenic scenario here. Judging by the pronouncements and displays of bravado, Americans think of themselves as the freest, teh richest, the bravest people on earth; "these colors don't run", "standing tall", "never forget", "shining city on a hill", "we don't quit", "honor", "country first" and similar nonsense kinda guys.

Judging by the actions, Americans look very much like a bunch of cowardly sheep, ready to embrace any little fuhrer that offers them a sense of security and ready to pounce on those who do not conform to the herd mentality.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"No parent would ever be in favor of baby killing. ""

Except for that pesky vote he made, you are almost believeable.

PeLousy/Reid and the ultra-liberal rubber stamp for socialism, hoooray!!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

tonyharding wrote:
"If nothing else the Bush years taught a profound lesson - the one the thing Americans react to most profoundly is fear...Play on Americans' hidden fears and a percentage will start running all over the place"

Ain't that the truth! There's a real schizophrenic scenario here. Judging by the pronouncements and displays of bravado, Americans think of themselves as the freest, teh richest, the bravest people on earth; "these colors don't run", "standing tall", "never forget", "shining city on a hill", "we don't quit", "honor", "country first" and similar nonsense kinda guys.

Judging by the actions, Americans look very much much a like a bunch of cowardly sheep, ready to embrace any little fuhrer that offers them a sense of security and ready to pounce on those who do not conform to the herd mentality.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"just imagine how many Joe's are going to appreciate the pre-emption of the World Series for an Obama infomercial."

Yes the start of the game will be delayed for a whole 8 minutes and oh yeah, no one will be watching TB vs Philly anyway.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 20, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Our America is now in a deep, very trying time, with so many difficulties. To make this turbulent time better will be an enormous challenge to whoever will be the next President and Vice President. It will surely need a lot of changes, planning and sacrifices. Earnestly, we need a very good leader to direct us out of this turmoil.

“I sense in him first-class temperament and first-class intellect………and the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader”; the perception of a Republican endorsing Senator Obama. His calm, patient, intellectual and steady approaches to problem-solving are the observations of another Republican’s endorsement of Senator Obama. I have these insights of Senator Obama too. I also see him as being diplomatic and collected, yet firm and stern.

Senator Obama is respectable and very presidential. I found him focused, steady and dignified, staying above inappropriate attacks on his character. Steadfast, reliable, organized and genuinely caring, I believe and trust the Obama/Biden team will do an excellent job in meeting the challenges. I fully trust them to keep America great, especially for the future of my children and grandchildren.... in these coming years.

Posted by: canozaro | October 20, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The Gallup tracking poll Friday through Sunday shows Obama 11 up amongst registered voters, 9 up amongst all likely voters and 5 up amongst traditional likely voters. Other polls show similar results. Mr. Cilliza, you jumped ahead just a little bit too soon.

PS: I put more value on the all likely voter numbers than the traditional likely voter numbers in the Gallup tracking poll. There is a huge increase in new voter registration this year together with major changes in suburban demographics. It seems to be more appropriate to look at the broader polling of likely voters than the narrow polling adjusted for past trends.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 20, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I was so pleased with McCain's strong performance in the last debate where he brought out the truth about OBB (Obama the baby butcher) from Illinois supporting this extermination:

"Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms;everything but the head. The doctor kept the head right inside the uterus. The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out, like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is going to fall....The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw the baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he had just used."


Posted by: gouldnen | October 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Gouldnen you are one sick individual. Why don't you give a graphic description of some military man having his guts blown out by an IED in Iraq because of the Bush-McCain war. Or, how about describing some poor kid starving because of the Bush-McCain economic policies. Obama has two beautiful daughters. No parent would ever be in favor of baby killing. However, one could be in favor of letting a women and her doctor make the decision about how to deal the abortion decision instead of turning it over to whackos like you.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | October 20, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain "coming back"? I don't think so. Did you see today's Gallup Tracking Poll? http://www.gallup.com/poll/111274/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Edges-Higher.aspx

Read it and weep, Republicans. Americans aren't buying "Joe The (Fake) Plumber" any more than they buy the idea of Sarah Palin as qualified for national office.

Say, "Bye Bye" McCain.

Posted by: snesich | October 20, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

info40, where are the shockingly under-qualified white leftists Powell has endorsed?

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Some tightening of the race should be expected within the last two weeks of the race, but Obama consistently remains at or above 49% and with two other 3rd party candidates in the race polling 3% of the votes, McCain would likely need 100% of undecided voters to draw within range...Can he do this? Probably but not very likely…Can he win? Not with 48% of the votes vs. Obama’s 49% … It will be close but Obama will win possible by a larger margin.

Incidentally, both Gallup and Zogby polls published today(10/20) showed Obama increasing his margins by 2% to 3% points …Not good news for the GOP ticket who is behind...

Also, the tightening of the race may be a good rather than a bad thing for Obama supporters since it makes them more likely to go to the polls to actually vote...

Posted by: citystreet | October 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Can Money Buy the presidency of the
United States of America?
obama is the first general election
candidate to turn down public finance
limits, imposed to do away with
Money Buying Influence.
Who's pocket is obama's hand in?


NOBAMA08

Posted by: USA3 | October 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

It's not the popular vote, so why the emphasis on national polls. Senator Obama is way ahead in the battleground states, which translates into electoral votes.

However, some West Virginia Democrats are reporting that the vote machines are converting their votes for Obama into votes for McCain. If McCain wins despite exit polls favoring Obama, the vote machine riggers will blame the Bradley Effect. In fact, the Bradley effect never really happened (google it), and we'll more likely see a reverse Bradley effect if anything - people who tell their Republican, racist friends and neighbors that they plan to vote for McCain, but in the privacy of the voting booth they vote for Obama. Now if only the machines record their votes properly.

Posted by: bamccampbell | October 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S DISASTROUS PLAN: DRIVER'S LICENSES for ILLEGALS

Obama wants to give a driver's license to any illegal alien who wants one. The 9/11 plot depended on such licenses.

Nineteen terrorists infiltrate the U.S.

Thirteen get driver’s licenses.

The 9/11 plot depended on easy to get licenses.

Obama’s plan gives a license to any illegal who wants one.

A license they can use to get government benefits, a mortgage, board a plane, even illegally vote.

Go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyocX-9_mo

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICANS CAUSE HOUSING COLLAPSE ACCORDING TO WASHINGTON INVESTIGATORS

Associated press release follows....

WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing

Posted by: WVUWEIRTON | October 20, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Over do it and it may backfire.

Posted by: Verrazzano


just imagine how many Joe's are going to appreciate the pre-emption of the World Series for an Obama infomercial. He still doesn't get it even if the Greek columns are for sale on ebay.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I never underestimate the stupidity of Americans. After all they voted for Bush after one term. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if McCain won.

Posted by: cleancut77 | October 20, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

It's incredible that voters "overwhelmingly" blame Bush and the GOP for the economic mess. Certainly, Bush pushed affirmative action lending so he could crow about "record minority homeownership" but there's no question that the Democrats and their "anti-redlining" activist allies were even more enthusiastic and responsible for pressuring and forcing lenders to lower standards.

Posted by: LStarr3 | October 20, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I think Joe the Plumber is starting to wear off, just like Sarah the Wolf Killer from Helicopters did.

They can't sell the socialist crap because even if Joe weren't lying through his teeth about what he makes, Obama's plan puts money in his pocket, it doesn't take any away to give to someone else. Virtually every "hard working American" and small business in America would get money under Obama, so she's just playing to fears and stereotypes (what else is new) and hoping no one in her audience realizes they aren't rich enough for their taxes to go up. The only one in a Palin rally whose taxes will go up is Palin.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 20, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm barack obama
and
I'D LIKE TO BUY YOUR VOTE...
be sure to watch my half hour
special, which will preempt
the 6th world series game.
it's a nice little ditty
called, Welcome back Welfare State.

Posted by: USA3 | October 20, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Chris - the Powell endorsement was the death blow to McCain.

I believe that those who think McShame and Palin abandoning any pretext to running on the issues in favor of name-calling and fear-mongering had some traction as measured in the polls were correct, but Sunday's MTP put the kibosh on that.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 20, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Charlietuna666, race has absolutely no bearing on why Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama. If you watched Meet the Press yesterday, he laid out the many reasons why he endorsed him. And he also laid out his concerns if there were a McCain/Palin Administration. So why don't you open up your narrow mind and look at the big picture. This country is suffering terribly, and we need some serious real-life solutions to pull ourselves up by our own boot straps. Colin Powell took an objective look and concluded that Obama would be the right man for the job, plain and simple.

Posted by: info40 | October 20, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:
McCain is so close to million of US citizens feeling their pain in thuis time of crisis and th emortgage that they ahve to pay that he has decided with Cindy's blessing to put most of his houses for the benefit of the likes of Joe the Plumber in a lottery style to show that he is one of us, a Middle Class citizen supporter!!!!!

If only!

Obama/Biden 2008

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

so let me get this straight. bush keeps us safe for over 7 years, runs a fairly liberal agenda, wins the war in Iraq and makes progress by converting two arch nemises to allies in the mid east and manages the economy quite nicely.....UNTIL......the last two years when the Dems take over congress and wreak havoc on wall street with massive government interference and fraud.

now the yellow jackels of the press and the socialist propagandists wish the intelligent voter to think that more Libs will fix it by raising taxes, punishing success and massive spending.

We have truly become a mass marketing society, preferring style over any substance whatsoever.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The latest Gallup daily tracking poll of registered voters gives Obama an 11 point lead. Real Clear Politics, a composite of all non-partisan polls, shows Obama ahead by 5.2 percent-well beyond the margin of error. The Gallup poll indicates McCain is fading. Does this show that negative campaigning and hate mail does not move voters? I certainly hope so.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | October 20, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICA'S ECONOMIC TROUBLES! McCain in April 08 declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and economic adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, is back with the McCain campaign full time again.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay. McCain doesn't understand our tanking economy because it doesn't affect him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FD_M2BEl64

The $100 Million Man
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.

The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.

The Anheuser-Busch Windfall
While John McCain played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA

Posted by: DrainYou | October 20, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Today's Gallup, including traditional voters, has only widened Obama's lead. The McCain campaign is obviously desperate to persuade us that the old guy has "momentum." Sorry, we can read the polls ourselves and he just doesn't.

Posted by: arcadiola | October 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I voted this morning in florida.

Heavy voter turnout in the Tampa Bay area. I waited an hour.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | October 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

BTW that Zogby poll now has Obama back to a 6 point lead, up 3 points from yesterday. Nice to know that Drudge loves this particular polling group.

Oh, and both of Gallup's tracking polls (traditional and expanded) show Obama up 2 points from yesterday as well.

OTOH every white plumber named "Joe" has got himself a barroom nickname for life. So at least something good has come from that last debate.

Posted by: andym108 | October 20, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

CRIST and MARTINEZ ACTIVELY SUPPORT McCAIN

Governor Charlie Crist and Senator Mel Martinez have been at ALL of John McCain's Florida events. They fully support McCain!!! I was at a packed McCain event in Melbourne FL with both Crist and Martinez last Friday!!!

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse
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10/17
From the Orlando Sentinel

"The rally will feature Gov. Charlie Crist -- who's been keeping his distance from the McCain campaign recently -- as well as U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez and U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson, the Tennessee politician/actor whose presidential bid flamed out so spectacularly in Florida."

It is no secret in the state Crist has been staying away from Mccain. He skips out every chance he can.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Market oversaturation. Watch any local programming in the DC area (you know, to cover the area not part of real Virginia) and you get hit with Obama commercials over and over again. It tends to turn people off. Over do it and it may backfire.

Posted by: Verrazzano | October 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Frankly I would be amazed if there wasn't a closing of the gap after all these weeks of innuendo, lies and more lies. If nothing else the Bush years taught a profound lesson - the one the thing Americans react to most profoundly is fear. Obama is a Muslim, Obama is a terrorist, Obama is a communist etc., etc.(PS He's also black, you know). Play on Americans' hidden fears and a percentage will start running all over the place like panic ridden sheep, whining and bleating without taking a moment to reflect on what they're doing or why they're doing it. McCain has nothing to offer but his age & a rather sorry running mate called Sarah Palin but for the sheep this combination will protect them from everything - except of course their own paranoiac imagination.

Posted by: tonyharding | October 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I was so pleased with McCain's strong performance in the last debate where he brought out the truth about OBB (Obama the baby butcher) from Illinois supporting this extermination:

"Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms;everything but the head. The doctor kept the head right inside the uterus. The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out, like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is going to fall....The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw the baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he had just used."

Posted by: gouldnen | October 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

National polling is 100% irrelevant. If national polls were reflective of who would be the next president, we would have had Al Gore win in 2000.

The winner of the popular vote doesn't matter - it's the electoral college, stupid. That means the only polls that matter right now are in swing states like Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, etc. etc.

So the national race can tighten all you want. But as long as Obama has double digit leads in Virginia, Wisconsin, Colorado, and other purple states, the other polls are completely irrelevant.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | October 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

pookiecat:

You should learn more about conducting polls and statistical sampling before opening your mouth and dismissing poll numbers.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy with the state of the affairs of the economy in the country under the Neocons and for what they have been doing for the last 8 years that I am rewarding them with another 4 years!

If Only!

Obama/Biden 2008

Posted by: 1Nouri | October 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Frankly I would be amazed if there wasn't a closing of the gap after all these weeks of innuendo, lies and more lies. If nothing else the Bush years taught a profound lesson - the one the thing Americans react to most profoundly is fear. Obama is a Muslim, Obama is a terrorist, Obama is a communist etc., etc.(PS He's also black, you know). Play on Americans' hidden fears and a percentage will start running all over the place like panic ridden sheep, whining and bleating without taking a moment to reflect on what they're doing or why they're doing it. McCain has nothing to offer but his age & a rather sorry running mate called Sarah Palin but for the sheep this combination will protect them from everything - except of course their own paranoiac imagination.

Posted by: tonyharding | October 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

CC, isn't it normal for polls to tighten as the trailing candidate picks up a few points over the last couple of weeks prior to the election, just as it's normal for gas prices to begin to drop about a month before Election Day?

I think I've seen this movie before.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | October 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"...said a McCain operative granted anonymity to speak candidly about strategic matters."

Granted, it is to laugh.
Meanwhile, the GOP stooges take to the streets:

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=307949

McCain grants them anonymity too.

Posted by: bdunn1 | October 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"So in 1992, the polls had Clinton 12 to 15 points ahead, but he won by only 5.3 points."

Where in the world do you go to make this gabage up?

Since you are so certain of a McCain win, take it down to Vegas, no one here is buying.
Clinton ahead by 15% point, right maybe an outlire poll taken on the final night of the D Convention. Where is your proof, "you believe that"...

We will go along with your charade and concede that McCain is ahead by 5% points and in 300 electoral votes if that make you happy.

Posted by: leichtman | October 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

One newspaper mentioned something interesting. Since Feb 2008, Obama NEVER had a month where his poll number went down against his opponent. Having said that, his lead over MCcain is not huge. Also we do not know that how the wild card "hidden racism" will play out. Safe to say that every Obama voter MUST go to poll to make him the victor. If that happens, then his victory is certain.

Posted by: satish1 | October 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

When Gallup Poll says traditional voters, it means only those people who voted in the last 2 election cycles. New registered voters not included. Everybody knows that hundreds of thousands of new voters registered this time in each battle ground state. Many of them are democrats. So this traditional voters tally is garbage in this election. What matters is registered voters and Obama continues to maintain his lead in double digits. Also, Obama continue to maintain his poll numbers above 50 steadly in the past one month. That is the good news.

Posted by: nri1998 | October 20, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN HAS FOUR SECRETARIES of STATE ENDORSEMENTS

John McCain said, “I’m also very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state, Secretaries Henry Kissinger, James Baker, Larry Eagleburger and Alexander Haig. And I’m proud to have the endorsement of well over 200 retired Army generals and admirals

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse
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Now there is a real worthy group. Kind of reminds me of when Obama was in Germany talking to 200,000 people. Mccain tried to be relevant by going to a German restaurant and holding a news conference. It was so bazzar if we didn't see it happen we would think it was a joke on David Letterman.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry McLame ... you LOSE!

Posted by: Classic60 | October 20, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

We are heading left because the right lost it's way to the far right extremists and McCain once again embraced the far right as did Bush. I think most americans are actually somewhere in the center but we centrists get drowned out by the noise of the far right and far left.

Posted by: mel2877 | October 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh let's be serious for once about these polls. Any poll taken on a week-end night will show McCain behind by only 5-6 points, because a lot of the people voting for Senator Obama are younfd and not even at home. These polls are also like dinosaurs because they cannpt reach all those who have only cell phones and, again, most of those are young and voting for Senator Obama. Senator Obama win sthis election easily because those who support him are focused like lasers on showing up and the real "polling" places and voting on Novemeber 4. It will be a massive turn out. Quite frankly, Bill Schneider and all the other pollsters will receive one message on November 5th --- you and your methodology is irrelevant and it's a good time to retire. Polls? I give you St. Loius, MO, where over 100,000 people turned out to just hear Senator Obama speak. Then 75,000 the next day in Kansas City. That's called polling on the ground, and the shock troops will be there on the ground on November 4th. Bet on it.

Posted by: pookiecat | October 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 20, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Ahh Chris Chris Chris - you paid GOP water carrier you !!! Live by the tracking poll - die by the tracking poll:
Perhaps you would like to link to TODAY's Zogby poll (instead of yesterday's !!) - with the headline too "Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Is Mobama Back?"; and here is the link : http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1598

Or maybe you prefer the Gallup today: With this ominous sounding (for you) headline: Gallup Daily: Obama’s Lead Edges Higher; and numbers -

Registered: Obama 52 McCain 41
Likely 1 (traditional or GOP favored): Obama 50 McCain 45
Likely 2 (expanded or somewhat Dem favored) : Obama 52 McCain 43.

As a journalist, or even as someone pretending to one, you owe your readers the truth, and the truth "my friend" just ain't the way you are reporting it


Posted by: ilvoter | October 20, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If you wanted to do a nationwide poll, how would you do it to minimize the MOE?
No idea? Ok, you are not alone.


What about selecting 600 people from the state you live in for a ploo with a small MOE?
Nearly as difficult?
Hm.

Now what is this all about?
It is just to tell you: Don't trust the polls, go vote yourself.

Posted by: awaler | October 20, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"Secretaries Henry Kissinger, James Baker, Larry Eagleburger and Alexander Haig..."

Now THERE's a rogue's list, let me count the ways...

In terms of public trust in the modern era, I think one Collin Powell is an Ace that trumps all four of those 20th Century Jacks...

But it's good to know Haig's on that list, because he's always ready to be "in charge..."

I'm no spring chicken, Sagereader, I faced the Viet Nam draft. And I'm all for historical references that transcend time to achieve meaning..

But some of our older Republican posters here need to freshen up their reference timelines a bit, referencing the likes of Bill Ayers or Oliver North is like ancient history to the new generaton of political movers and shakers.

You need to think more about The Boss, Bono, The Dixie Chicks, and Steven Colbert, than Kissinger, Baker, Eagleburger and Haig.

Posted by: JEP7 | October 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I knew colin powell would vote obama because 95% of blacks vote obama. They are obviously a very racist group.

Don't be duped by the lazy racist blacks to have you further support them thru affirmative action and entitlements. That's all obama wants to do; spread your wealth around to lazy ignorant blacks and illegal immigrants.

Call me a racist, I don't care. I am a realist and the truth hurts.

Vote your Race. Vote McCain/Palin and prove the Bradley effect works.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | October 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Today there are new polls showing Obama with a 9pt lead in Ohio (Suffolk) and a 10pt lead in Virginia (Rasmussen).

And Gallup has Obama with an 11pt lead among registered voters. How they work that number down via 'likely voters' is beyond me, because people are pumped for this election, young people, democratic people, etc.

Republicans vote because of tradition and duty. Democrats come out of the woodwork then they are excited about a candidate.

Big Obama victory.

Posted by: jrob822 | October 20, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if the media gave even a fraction of attention to Sarah & Todd Palin's involvement with the Alaskan Independence Party, founded by secessionists, as they do to Ayers, Americans would know what they are voting for.

Read about their involvement, and see the video of Sarah Palin addressing the 2008 AIP convention earlier this year (and share the video with others).

"Sarah Palin & The Secessionists"
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-secessionists.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 20, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

CRIST and MARTINEZ ACTIVELY SUPPORT McCAIN

Governor Charlie Crist and Senator Mel Martinez have been at ALL of John McCain's Florida events. They fully support McCain!!! I was at a packed McCain event in Melbourne FL with both Crist and Martinez last Friday!!!

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

>>>The 'socialism' argument is a total red herring. Not even relevant!

Obama initiated it. "Spreading the wealth around" is a phrase directly correlated with socialist governments.


Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Another thing to remember is that in the states that McCain would need to get to 270, McCain is actually doing WORSE than his national average. I believe that Colorado and Virginia are the two states that put Obama over the top.

The electoral college favors Obama quite heavily in this election. He could easily lose the popular vote, but still reach 270 simply because he is doing so well in all the Kerry states as well as Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico, and Virginia.

RCP has McCain with a 4.8% lead right now. But realistically, the gap is larger than that since gaining that 4.8 won't keep Obama from winning. It will just make the score a little more respectable.

RCP has Obama with 286. McCain needs to get back 16 of those. Of those 286, the closest races are
Colorado (Obama +6.0 - 9 EV)
New Mexico (Obama +8.4 - 5 EV)
Virginia (Obama +8.6 - 13 EV)

Colorado and NM won't do it alone. McCain needs to get VA as well.

So even if McCain does manage to close the five point gap in the national polls, he's going to need a lot of extra work to take back Virginia.

Needless to say, 8.6 is a lot to make up over two weeks.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

>>>>People could care less about Obama's color and more about his plan to start putting jobs, homes and life savings back to Americans

McCain voters could care less about Obama's skin color. It's Obama's LIES about his association with radical and anti-American types - and his LIES about his plans.

But The Messiah is offering lots of candy and no school on Fridays - and many voters are duped by him and Obamedia.

Dems for McCain/Palin

Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

In 1996, Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole 49 percent to 40 percent. And yet on Oct. 22, 1996, The New York Times/CBS News Poll showed Clinton leading by a massive 22 points, 55 percent to 33 percent.

In 2000, which I seem to recall as being fairly close, the October polls accurately described the election as a virtual tie, with either Bush or Al Gore 1 or 2 points ahead in various polls. But in one of the latest polls to give either candidate a clear advantage, The New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 3, 2000, showed Gore winning by 45 percent to 39 percent.

In the last presidential election the polls were surprisingly accurate -- not including the massively inaccurate Election Day exit poll. In the end, Bush beat John Kerry 50.7 percent to 48.3 percent in 2004. Most of the October polls showed the candidates in a dead-heat, with Bush 1 to 3 points ahead. So either pollsters got a whole lot better starting in 2004, or Democrats stole more votes in that election than we even realized.

Anne c.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you really believe it's true."

George Costanza

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Reviewing the polls printed in The New York Times and The Washington Post in the last month of every presidential election since 1976, I found the polls were never wrong in a friendly way to Republicans. When the polls were wrong, which was often, they overestimated support for the Democrat, usually by about 6 to 10 points.

In 1976, Jimmy Carter narrowly beat Gerald Ford 50.1 percent to 48 percent. And yet, on Sept. 1, Carter led Ford by 15 points. Just weeks before the election, on Oct. 16, 1976, Carter led Ford in the Gallup Poll by 6 percentage points -- down from his 33-point Gallup Poll lead in August.

Reading newspaper coverage of presidential elections in 1980 and 1984, I found myself paralyzed by the fear that Reagan was going to lose.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan beat Carter by nearly 10 points, 51 percent to 41 percent. In a Gallup Poll released days before the election on Oct. 27, it was Carter who led Reagan 45 percent to 42 percent.

In 1984, Reagan walloped Walter Mondale 58.8 percent to 40 percent, -- the largest electoral landslide in U.S. history. But on Oct. 15, The New York Daily News published a poll showing Mondale with only a 4-point deficit to Reagan, 45 percent to 41 percent. A Harris Poll about the same time showed Reagan with only a 9-point lead. The Oct. 19 New York Times/CBS News Poll had Mr. Reagan ahead of Mondale by 13 points. All these polls underestimated Reagan's actual margin of victory by 6 to 15 points.

In 1988, George H.W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis by a whopping 53.4 percent to 45.6 percent. A New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 5 had Bush leading the Greek homunculus by a statistically insignificant 2 points -- 45 percent to 43 percent. (For the kids out there: Before it became a clearinghouse for anti-Bush conspiracy theories, CBS News was considered a credible journalistic entity.)

A week later -- or one tank ride later, depending on who's telling the story -- on Oct. 13, Bush was leading Dukakis in The New York Times Poll by a mere 5 points.

Admittedly, a 3- to 6-point error is not as crazily wrong as the 6- to 15-point error in 1984. But it's striking that even small "margin of error" mistakes never seem to benefit Republicans.

In 1992, Bill Clinton beat the first President Bush 43 percent to 37.7 percent. (Ross Perot got 18.9 percent of Bush's voters that year.) On Oct. 18, a Newsweek Poll had Clinton winning 46 percent to 31 percent, and a CBS News Poll showed Clinton winning 47 percent to 35 percent.

So in 1992, the polls had Clinton 12 to 15 points ahead, but he won by only 5.3 points.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The race is tightening somewhat, but not yet enough to have a significant impact on the outcome.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

No. The only race here is how high Obama goes. Landslide 375-399 or Avalanche - 400+.

The manipulation of the averages of these polls, their varying internals and turnout models from 2004 make them all over the map.

Chris as we all know this is an electoral vote game and when you see today's polls in the battlegrounds McCain is losing ground. VA is now 8.8 w/ a new Rass at +10, up 7 in a week, Suffolk just had Obama up in OH by 9...

GA,MT are now leaning and WV and ND are both tied.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Tonite Rass comes out with 5 new battleground polls, unless something radical happens this will tell us that McCain is only moving back.

Posted by: jnail1 | October 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

John Mc Cain, Bush, and Cheny are members of a wicked gang of neocons who have damaged the economy of this country and started unnecessary wars that cost us billions of US$ and thousands of the lives of our young and brave soldiers. They have lied to all Americans about WMD in Iraq and unfortunately got us stuck in a quaqmire with no way out in the near future.Nobody can trust or tolerate such wicked clowns for another presidential term under any circustances. The proper place for John Mc Cain is a suitable oldman house, not the White House nor even the Senate.

Posted by: mass2 | October 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The 'socialism' argument is a total red herring. Not even relevant!

Capitalism today resembles a pyramid scheme. Income at the bottom runs the entire system.
The bottom has to make more than needed for food, health and a roof. Obama/Biden's plan will address this problem. McCain's plan to drop more money on the top of the pyramid and hope that it 'trickles down' to increase spending for consumer goods by the bottom of the pyramid has not worked. It cannot work.

Corporations and companies must act in their own best interest. If no one is purchasing, there is no reason to hire or expand business, no matter how many tax breaks they get.

Health care for all will help small business keep good employees and lower the cost of doing business in the U.S. for large corporations.
Obama/Biden '08 for a healthy economy.

Posted by: rjbunny | October 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN HAS FOUR SECRETARIES of STATE ENDORSEMENTS

John McCain said, “I’m also very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state, Secretaries Henry Kissinger, James Baker, Larry Eagleburger and Alexander Haig. And I’m proud to have the endorsement of well over 200 retired Army generals and admirals

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

When the wall street fell and there was continous news cycle about McKlan's erratic moves like suspending his campaign and saying that the fundementals of the economy are strong, many of his supporters jumped to Obama's side. Now, there is no major news on the economic collapse in the past one week and some of them returned back to McCain. That is what we are seeing here but the lead for Obama should stabilize to somewhere around 3 to 4. As for electoral college, Obama looks good. Apart from Kerry states, he just needs either colorado or Virginia to become President. He doesn't need both Ohio and Florida if he can hold onto Pennsylvania.
My only concern with Obama campaign is, he seems to be on the defensive since the debate. If he got any offensive plane, this is the time to use it. This is the week he needs to hold his numbers steady without loosing anymore ground. Next Monday, if he holds the same lead, it's pretty much done.

Posted by: nri1998 | October 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: parsonsscott | October 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

>>>>It doesn't help that Obama allowed McCain and his surrogates to call him a socialist and a terrorist for one week

McCain/Palin nor surrogates ever called Obama a terrorist! That's Obama propaganda.
But once again - Obama played the Race Card and claimed it was "racist" to associate him with Ayers.
ROFL

Rather than tell the Truth about his longgggg relationship with Ayers - Obama plays the Race Card.

Everything is RACIST to Obama.
Whatever it takes to distract from the Truth about his Empty Suit.

And now Biden says - Obama will incite an international crisis!!

Wanna infuriate alQaeda? elect a president BORN a Muslim who later defected to Christianity.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is ahead by some $150 Million. Please don´t forget, in the United States money (no voters) wins elections!

Posted by: erikavanheusen | October 20, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN HAS FOUR SECRETARIES of STATE ENDORSEMENTS

John McCain said, “I’m also very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state, Secretaries Henry Kissinger, James Baker, Larry Eagleburger and Alexander Haig. And I’m proud to have the endorsement of well over 200 retired Army generals and admirals

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Chris good try and the picture looks nice only problem is did you see the Red State with 175,000 people at Obama's rally? Now I knew you paid reporters for the GOP are doing your best to say we don't see what we see but please. People could care less about Obama's color and more about his plan to start putting jobs, homes and life savings back to Americans. Chris you missted the Civil Right Bill being signed as that was History making but you will see History made on Election Day as the American people of all colors and religions join together to take back the United States of American from the terrorist Republican Party. We know Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would defrauded by the Republican Party as well as their CEO friends, Chris did you get the memo?

Posted by: qqbDEyZW | October 20, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The only way Senator Obama loses this one is if they get complacent and don't get out the vote.

With the organization they've put in place, I can't imagine this happening.

Posted by: amaikovich | October 20, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Rasmussen/Fox Poll just released for Virginia.

Obama 54
McCain 44

Gramps McCain will close the overall popular vote percentage, but this race is going to be an Obama Electoral College landslide.

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

In the 35 years since Roe v. Wade, reversing the SCOTUS decision has become a cornerstone of Republican orthodoxy. Through five different Republican presidents and several periods of GOP
Congressional dominance, and even large (and largely conservative) turnover on the high court itself, the decision has remained in place. Does anyone ever question the sincerity of these politicians? I mean, if they wanted to change things, really wanted to, wouldn't they have done so by now? Perhaps they find single issue voters useful, and fear the loss of that issue.

Posted by: kguy1 | October 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Coming back... coming... coming back... well not precisely but old John and his pal Palin are surely taking a lot of Americans back to the stone age! If you go a Palin-McCain meeting stay away from the dinos! The dinos are dangerous!

Posted by: erikavanheusen | October 20, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"Only" 6 or 7 points ahead?

I'll take that.

What does it tell you that Palin/McCain have to spend so much time in my state of North Carolina to beat back Obama's advance? Bush carried this state by 56%!

If McCain wanted to win in North Carolina, he should've picked Huckabee, maybe even Lieberman.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 20, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Anyone in the McCain canmpaign (or among his supporters) who wants to use the Gallup polling as evidence that the campaign is tightening up had better not check the latest numbers.

Obama/McCain (as of Oct. 20)

registered voters: 52/42
likely voters (traditional): 50/45
likely voters (expanded): 52/42

The 49/46 number in the "likely voters (traditional)" poll looks like an outlier.

Posted by: micron26 | October 20, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The "traditional likely voter model" requires having voted in the last 2 federal elections. I.e., no under 21 voters can be included. Gallup remains a reliable Republican hack factory.

Posted by: dime_dropper | October 20, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

National polls are meaningless. Look at state polls. Not only are they more directly related to the outcome of the election, they're easier to conduct and thus more accurate.

According to the realclearpolitics.com amalgamation of the polls, Obama has more than a 5% lead in states worth 286 electoral votes. If the RCP poll average is even close to correct, Obama will win in a landslide. That's the number that matters, not national polls.

Posted by: Blarg | October 20, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

--" 49 percent to 43 percent and, one week later, had Obama's lead at narrower 48 percent to 45 percent "--

Couldn't that be simply bouncing around inside the margin of error? Or maybe dancing on the edge of round-off? One suspects that the calculated number is more like 48.7234 -> and is simply rounded up to 49.

So going from 48.4 to 48.6 - a .2% jump would be reported as a 1% jump. Which makes clutching at a single percentage point a rather desperate hook on which to hand one's hopes I would think.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 20, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Barack is going to give us all a
government check to buy health care
and to go to college. Barack Obama
is going to give us free rent.
Barack Obama is going to limit
executives' salaries. So, what's
going to happen to the price
of health care and education and
mortgages, with all those free dollars
chasing limited resources? Can you
say INFLATION? I knew you could. What
good is your government health care
and government college and government
rent check going to do you when the
cost of health care and college
and rent, triples?

I want to be there when Oprah and Spike
Lee and Quincy Jones and Richard Parsons
and Antonio Perez and P Diddy and David
Letterman and Alec Baldwin and Barbara
Streisand and Barbara Walters and Katie
Couric and Tom Cruise and Steven Speilberg
and David Geffen and Simon Cowell and
Randy Jackson and Beyonce Knowles and
Faith Hill and Tim McGraw and Whoopi
Goldberg and Jay Leno and Jimmy Kimmel
and Sarah Silverman and Justin Timberlake
and Carmen Diaz and JLo and Mark Wahlberg
and George Clooney and Leo Di Caprio and
Robert Deniro and George Lucas and
Billy Bush and Harrison Ford and Brian
Williams and Chris Rock and Chris Mathhews
and Jewel and Ryan Seacrest and Ellen
DeGeneres and clay Aikens and Michael Strahan
and Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley and
Shannon Sharp and Charlie Sheen and Martin
sheen and Tyra Banks and Tony Parker and
Mariah Carey and Eva Longoria and Jimmy
Smits and Rosie O'Donnell and all them
Hollywood and Nashville and Broadway and
Sports and Religious fat cats learn that
Barack Obama has popped a cap in their
pay, right along with Wallstreet. 'Course
he'll never put a cap on D.C., but we
can hope.

Socialism always sounds so good on the other
foot, don't it?

OH GOODY.

Posted by: 7skuareoff | October 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S DISASTROUS PLAN: DRIVER'S LICENSES for ILLEGALS

Obama wants to give a driver's license to any illegal alien who wants one. The 9/11 plot depended on such licenses.

Nineteen terrorists infiltrate the U.S.

Thirteen get driver’s licenses.

The 9/11 plot depended on easy to get licenses.

Obama’s plan gives a license to any illegal who wants one.

A license they can use to get government benefits, a mortgage, board a plane, even illegally vote.

Go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyocX-9_mo

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I've cast my vote. I'll await the results on the evening of Nov. 4 at this point.

Posted by: zepol61 | October 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't help that Obama allowed McCain and his surrogates to call him a socialist and a terrorist for one week. I don't understand the Obama camapaign sometimes. They need to push back more.

Posted by: jwoods3 | October 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse
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Obama didn't want push back they used it against Mccain. Sort of "Enough rope to hang ones self". It also burns up news cycles when we are just a few days from the election. Even the Powell thing is good for three days of Mccain trying to diminish it instead of telling people why they should be voting for him. Before you know it it will be Nov 4th and Mccain will have run out of time.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the polls that have Senator Obama ahead by a good margin, Republicans make up a disproportionally small percentage, some as low as 30 percent. Of course, Obama will come out on top with that polling pool. And I think the pollsters are doing this on purpose. I guess they feel that if Obama doesn't win no one will notice after the election but if he does win, the fabrication will have been worth it. Maybe, but some of us do have phenomenal memories for that sort of thing and we are vindictive. Some of us are still not voting our party because of the unfair treatment given Senator Clinton by the Democrats as well as the press. I probably will never be a true Democrat again because I realize the Dems are not really supportivew of women...they are supportive of voting blocks and the only block they have now are African Americans. Apparently, the Dems are hoping that the race will bring forth lots of babies to add to the Dem numbers. And that seems doable.

Posted by: hazwalnut | October 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain IS coming back!

We are soooo happy!

Here at the Bingo parlor we are waiting for him to come back. The last three times he played here McCain won a ton of our money and we are waiting for him to come back so we can win some of that dough back!

I am a 103 yearold plumber and I will surely vote for old John!

Posted by: erikavanheusen | October 20, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain WILL be coming back...
to Arizona.

Posted by: JEP7 | October 20, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

This was kind of buried, so I think I'll cut and paste

"a detailed look at the polling and the national playing field suggests that McCain's growth -- to the extent he has enjoyed it -- over the past week is as likely due to a natural tightening as election day approaches as any sort of major surge in support."

"a detailed look at the polling and the national playing field suggests that McCain's growth -- to the extent he has enjoyed it -- over the past week is as likely due to a natural tightening as election day approaches as any sort of major surge in support."

"a detailed look at the polling and the national playing field suggests that McCain's growth -- to the extent he has enjoyed it -- over the past week is as likely due to a natural tightening as election day approaches as any sort of major surge in support."

Posted by: DDAWD | October 20, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama expands lead in Gallup Daily Tracking to 11 among registered voters
To 9 among Likely voters.

No sign of come back under Gallup...

Posted by: sjxylib | October 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama expands lead in Gallup Daily Tracking to 11 among registered voters
To 9 among Registered voters.

No sign of come back under Gallup...

Posted by: sjxylib | October 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA COST TAXPAYERS BILLIONS with FANNIE MAE

Back in 2004, when the Republicans controlled the House, they tried to have a hearing on the threat that the financial mismanagement of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac presented to the U.S. economy. Here’s the video evidence of the Democrats blocking efforts to hold officials accountable. This problem did not get the publicity it deserved in the liberal media, such as the New York Times and the Washington Post. This incredible Congressional video shows Republicans in Congress trying to regulate better Fannie Mae and how the Democrats fought that tooth and nail, even referring to criticism of former chairman Raines as a "lynching".

Go to:
http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/09/it_wasnt_broke.html

Posted by: sagereader | October 20, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Biden got 5 deferments.
Cheney got 5 deferments.
Must be a new requirement for VP.

And now Biden is GUARANTEEING an international crisis if rookie Obama is elected president!
Oh great! just what we need - another attack on U.S. soil.

Dems for McCain/Palin

Posted by: angie12106 | October 20, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Oops, all the polling talk is, once again, outdated.

Gallup (10/20):
Obama 52, McCain 41 (Registered voters)

Obama 52, McCain 43 (Likely voters, expanded)

Obama 50, McCain 45 (likely voters, traditional)

Posted by: cam8 | October 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I am very concerned about Obama keeping his lead. This is exactly what happened before the New Hampshire primary and it can happen again. There is a "I love the underdog" kind of mentality in this country which can translate into proving the media wrong by a massive McCain vote.

McCains charge that the "fabric of our Democracy" is threatened by Acorn was another one of his outlandish and desperate claims. The "fraud" was reported by Acorn because they knew some of the canvassers paid by the number of sign ups were cheating and they could not by law destroy the dupes or phoney names themselves. Actual "vote fraud" is one of the rarest of all crimes. The crimes are usual the voter intimidation tactics perpetrated by Republicans. The last Chief Justice, Rheinquist, was notable for going to Spanish speaking areas and insisting on giving poor Mexican- Americans literacy tests on the spot and holding up the lines down the kazoo. This is what is worrying Dems this time around. Republicans will jump in and challenge and discourage people on election lines. These guys are and have always been the biggest threat to the fabric of our demcracy. When John speaks about a threat to fabric, he is speaking about the costly threads of white upper middle class Republicans.

Posted by: maddymappo | October 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse


Obama's down to a lead of only 6-7 percent? Ya know, I think I'll take it. Especially since the electoral college is presenting a tougher and tougher obstacle for McCain. Obama is putting the smackdown on McCain in all the Kerry states, plus Iowa and New Mexico, and he has solid leads in places like Virginia and Colorado. He has smaller, but significant, leads in Florida, Nevada and Missouri. The new "toss-up" states include red states like North Carolina (where Obama is leading in most of the recent polls), North Dakota, West Virginia and Montana (and the ever-stubborn Ohio).

Yeah, there are still two weeks to go, and some variation in the polls is likely, but on the whole, the picture is looking pretty grim for McCain. I, for one, couldn't be happier about it.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: ASinMoCo | October 20, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse
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For the record, 6 or 7 points is a landslide in an election. It represents a "LOT" of votes.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse


McCain has constantly opposed equal pay for equal work....

Palin does not know her running mate history when it comes to women.

Isn't he the one who admonished rape victims for not 'enjoying it' while at it?

McCain, like the rest of the Republican crowed are masters of Weapons of Mass DisTraction (WMD).

Posted by: wrock76taolcom | October 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't help that Obama allowed McCain and his surrogates to call him a socialist and a terrorist for one week. I don't understand the Obama camapaign sometimes. They need to push back more.

Posted by: jwoods3 | October 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Monday, October 20
Race Poll Results Spread
National CNN/Opinion Research Obama 51, McCain 46 Obama +5

National Rasmussen Reports Obama 50, McCain 46 Obama +4

National Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama 50, McCain 44 Obama +6

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Stop being lazy. The latest "Reuters/C-Span/Zogby" poll was available since approximately 10:00am, which was two hours and forty minutes before CC's latest blog.

Posted by: dauphins | October 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama's down to a lead of only 6-7 percent? Ya know, I think I'll take it. Especially since the electoral college is presenting a tougher and tougher obstacle for McCain. Obama is putting the smackdown on McCain in all the Kerry states, plus Iowa and New Mexico, and he has solid leads in places like Virginia and Colorado. He has smaller, but significant, leads in Florida, Nevada and Missouri. The new "toss-up" states include red states like North Carolina (where Obama is leading in most of the recent polls), North Dakota, West Virginia and Montana (and the ever-stubborn Ohio).

Yeah, there are still two weeks to go, and some variation in the polls is likely, but on the whole, the picture is looking pretty grim for McCain. I, for one, couldn't be happier about it.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: ASinMoCo | October 20, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM BEST SAY ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN.......

"He is a vicious person"
Former representative Charles LeBoutillier R-NY
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"An embarrassment to the party"
Arizona GOP state senator Susan Johnson
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"There is nothing redeeming about John Mccain...he's a hypocrite"
Former house GOP whip Tom DeLay
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"The thought of him being president sends a chill down my spine. He is erratic"
Senator Thad Cochran, R- MS
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"Hard headed is one way to say it. Arrogant is another way to say it. It's a quality about him that disturbs me".
Larry Wilkerson, former chief aide to Colin Powell
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"What happens if he gets angry in a crisis...? It's the presidents job to negotiate and stay calm. I just don't see that he has that quality".
Former Arizona GOP chairman John Hinz
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"His temper would place this country at risk...and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind that should disqualify him"
Former Senator Bob Smith, R-NM
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"I decided I didn't want this guy anywhere near a trigger."
Senator Pete Domenici, R-NM
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Add to that, if you saw "Joe the Plumbers" interview. He doesn't have much use for Mccain or Palin either. "Joe the plumber" will be voting for someone like Barr.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget."

Posted by: diana9 | October 20, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The most important poll to watch is the right track/wrong track poll, currently showing that 90% of the country believes that the counry, under a R President, is going in the Wrong Direction. That indicator will tell the whole story on November 4. Whether McCain or his supporters like it or not, the GOP will be blamed for that direction. Not even Joe the faux plumber, can make voters forget that they have lost over 2 trillion dollars in their stock portfolios in the last 2 weeks.

Posted by: leichtman | October 20, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Sarah Palin's cogent attacks on Colin Powell will really cause the race to tighten up.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama has never finished anything in his life. why should he start now?

He even had to have his book ghost written by a terrorist. which terrorist will ghost write his campaign?

Alinsky
Ayers
Acorn?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse
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I know it is fun to make up lies but when it comes to John Mccain the real truth is more then enough.
People don't change, Since they were married he has just lived off his wife like he did his family when he was young. Even his political career was bought for him. He has "NEVER" in his life personally created, built, or accomplished anything on his own. If he had been born into the circumstances of Obama he would have just lived a life on welfare and died of drugs and alcohol. Hell, he has already spent most of his life as an alcoholic as it is. Please, tell me what business he has built or anything he has ever accomplished on his own? Even with no responsibilities, no pressures and everything being paid for, the best he could do in school was to finish 894 out of a class of 899. My God, you can;t want this man for your president. Wake up. he wasn't even smart enough to raise the money to run for president with out his wife giving him an allowance. Jesus H Christ, step back and look at this man you want to vote for, is there something wrong with you people.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the polls, you can see that McCain's chances are weak, at best.

Most of the polls from the last three days have Obama at 49% or better, and many have him polling over 50%. What that means is that John McCain has to win over nearly every undecided voter, and possibly turn over a fair portion of those who are currently in Obama's corner.

As dismal as that sounds, it's actually worse for McCain if you look at the way the Electoral College is breaking right now.

Posted by: cam8 | October 20, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

blevins20061 - Hawaii's health plan was for universal access for children, only, and it was forced to shut down becasue there was no money for it. It actually worked quite well. The same NeoCon fools that ran our economy into a ditch, jerked the money for Hawaii's health program for children BECAUSE it worked and the health insurance conglomerates, that fund McCain and the other dirtbags of your party, don't much like competition.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 20, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Chris. It was imminently predictable that the chattering class would start talk of a resurgence for McCain. Nothing else will drive traffic. Stick a fork in him. He's done done done.

Posted by: SteveIowa | October 20, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama has never finished anything in his life. why should he start now?

He even had to have his book ghost written by a terrorist. which terrorist will ghost write his campaign?

Alinsky
Ayers
Acorn?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Gov Crist of Florida who was up Mccains a&&, now has been a no show at several Mccain events making lame excuses. They are all running for the hills. No one wants the stink of John Mccain's corpse sticking to them.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 20, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Bad news for Obama, Hawaii just shut down their "universal" govt run healthcare plan because it doesn't work.
This plan mirrors the one that Obama wants to do nationwide.

Hmmm...is that another point in the polls?

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 20, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

In a word, no. Rasmussen just released a poll showing Obama up by 10 in VA, his biggest lead ever.
McCain now stands at 11% in the winner take all market of the IEM, his lowest ever.

Posted by: jgoodfri1971 | October 20, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

CC - are you stealing my stuff now? I think relying upon a 2-4% polling advantage in this market is unsteady. there are many unknown factors this time around. experience, spread the money around, high taxes, associations, race, Bradley effect, etc. the overall accuracy of the polls is in question more than ever before.

I read somewhere that the VA polling results assume that the Dem/Repub split has changed from 36/33 to 45/22 or something like that. Preposterous. If the polling results are weighted like that, expect another big surprise for the clueless media jackels. Besides, have they ever been wrong before (this week, I mean).

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 20, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh please, CC. Look at the facts. He's not comng back. Here's why:

'If the Buckley affair were an isolated incident, such talk would be easy to dismiss as self-flattery—but it isn’t. With the prospect of defeat for John McCain growing more likely every day, the GOP destined to see its numbers reduced in both the House and Senate, and the Republican brand debased to the point of bankruptcy, the conservative intelligentsia is factionalized and feuding, criminating and recriminating, in a way that few of its members can recall in their political lifetimes. Populists attack Establishmentarians.

Neocons assail theocons. And virtually everyone has something harsh to say about the party’s standard-bearer. Election Day may still be two weeks away, but already the idea-merchants of the right have formed a circular firing squad.

When the weapons of choice shift from pistols to Uzis after November 4, the ensuing massacre will be for Democrats a source of political opportunity, not to mention endless entertainment. But for Republicans it will be a necessary passage toward either the revival or reinvention of conservatism. Nobody serious on the right doubts that the overhaul is at once required and bound to be arduous—but it may take longer and prove even bloodier than anyone now imagines.

To get a sense of the struggle ahead, a good place to start is with Sarah Palin, who has been the flashpoint for the most severe intra-conservative contretemps so far. In the weeks since her selection as McCain’s running mate, a startling assortment of name-brand pundits on the right—Kathleen Parker, George Will, David Frum, David Brooks—have pronounced themselves displeased with the pick. Brooks went so far as to declaim that

Palin “represents a fatal cancer to the Republican Party.” Buckley, for his part, tells me that McCain’s vice-presidential choice was roughly 60 percent of the reason that he decided to endorse Obama. “I will readily confess that I was one of many who swooned the day after the announcement,” he says. “But it’s kind of like dating a supermodel. There comes a moment, unfortunately, where they start talking.”

http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/51406/

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe people are just starting to make up their minds and the race is tightening as it should. Obama was interviewed this morning and expected it to tighten in the homestretch.

Posted by: sjxylib | October 20, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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