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McCain Moves Out of Michigan: What It Means



Arizona Sen. John McCain in Des Moines, Iowa earlier this week. Photo by Charlie Neibergall -- Associated Press

UPDATE, 6:12 pm: The McCain campaign held a conference call with political director Mike DuHaime and senior adviser Greg Strimple to argue that the Arizona Senator retains a viable path to 270 electoral votes.

Their map: Win six toss up states -- Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana and Ohio -- that have traditionally favored Republicans and hold the solidly GOP states to get to 260 electoral votes. Then find 10 more electoral votes in some combination of Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

"To say we are on defense is not true," insisted Strimple. "We are aggressively using our resources in states where we have to win."

Maybe. But the problem with that logic is it assumes McCain can hold those six red state tossups, which, in the case of Ohio, Colorado and Virginia (at least) looks to be a dicey proposition.

ORIGINAL POST

The news that John McCain's campaign is abandoning its efforts in Michigan -- first reported by Jonathan Martin at Politico -- is the latest in a series of negative developments for the Republican ticket over the last two weeks.

Michigan was widely regarded by the campaigns of McCain and Barack Obama as a central battleground -- perhaps the central battleground -- in the race for 270 electoral votes. Although Democrats have dominated in both presidential and other statewide contests in the Wolverine State over the last few cycles (the Democratic nominee for president has carried Michigan in each of the last four elections), Republicans believed that McCain was the candidate to change that.

McCain had demonstrated his appeal in Michigan during the 2000 primary season when he defeated George W. Bush in the state despite the fact that the then Texas governor had essentially ended McCain's chances a few days earlier in South Carolina. While McCain lost the Michigan primary this time around, it was to native son Mitt Romney and, therefore, not seen as a judgment on McCain's appeal to Michigan voters.

What then does McCain's decision to stop running ads in the state -- an all but certain concession that he cannot and will not win it in November -- tell us about his candidacy?

First, that the damage done to McCain at the national level by the bailout of Wall Street is being mirrored in the states too. Since the third week of September, five polls have been released in Michigan; Obama had leads of seven, five, six, nine and thirteen points -- bringing his average overall edge in the state to 48 percent to 44 percent. "The numbers have been bad in Michigan for some time," a Republican official told the Post's Mike Shear.

But, it's clear from looking at the trend lines that polling was getting worse in the Wolverine State as the focus turned more and more to the economy. The economic hard times in Michigan are as bad as any in the country; the continued collapse of the auto industry has ground the Michigan economy to a virtual halt.


Second, the pull out from Michigan is a sign that McCain's decision to accept public financing for the general election has tied his hands somewhat. McCain has roughly $84 million to spend on the entire race while Obama, who opted out of public financing, is free to raise and spend whatever he can to win the White House.

What that means in practical terms is that Obama can pump money into a wider palette of iffy states and hope for results. While Obama has pulled back in places like Georgia and Alaska, his decision to continue to plunge huge amounts of money into Florida has, of late, begun to pay dividends as polls have shown him climbing into a lead in the Sunshine State.

With a much more finite pot of cash, the prospect of continuing to dump millions into a state as large as Michigan that was looking more and more like a long shot was simply not a tenable proposition for the McCain operation.

Third, and this is the most potentially dangerous for McCain, the decision to pull out of Michigan may be painted by the media as a sign the entire campaign is going south. "In the 24 hour nonstop news world we live in, the act of pulling out will actually be harmful to his candidacy not only in Michigan but elsewhere," predicted one well-connected Republican operative familiar with the politics of the Wolverine State.

Does this latest development mean McCain has lost the race? Absolutely not. But, it does show -- as we have noted before -- that McCain has a very narrow and specific path to 270 electoral votes while Obama has an increasing wide number of avenues to get to the magic number.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 2, 2008; 4:04 PM ET
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The larger implication and question we all should be concerned is how the "maverick" is living up to his namesake. McCain's attitude is showing us that he is willing to abandon his campaigne in Michigan because he's losing there. What else is he willing to abandon if he does not get his way in other areas of his presidency - economy, foreign policy, etc.

Is this really country first? Where is his commitment to his fellow American and citizens of Michigan? I thought he was a fighter. What happen to the spirit of that POW? What happened to fighting for the underdog? Are these the characteristics of a man who should lead our country? Should this be the next our president?

Posted by: nhaty@hotmail.com | October 6, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This is all just another political ruse by the McCain campaign. Its just not going to happen. See the following from Mark A. Kilmer's weblog:

It’s possible that the threat to pull out of Michigan was a feint by Steve Schmidt, who has evidently made it look real. The idea would then be for Palin, resurgent after the debate, to make a case for the voters of Michigan. McCain would then agree and send Sarah Palin, and Todd, to Michigan to campaign, where voters will feel a connection with her for standing up for them. Also accomplished by this mood, the sense of defeatism arising in certain sectors of McCain’s supporters, stoked by the “Michigan pullout,” will be reversed and their hopes reinvigorated by the decision to reengage.

Here is the full link:

http://www.rightsided.org/index.php/2008/10/will-mccain-pull-out-of-michigan-really/

I believe this is just another political 4th and long gambit by a McCain Campaign obviously floundering and out of ideas.

Its just crap.

Posted by: willia451 | October 4, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Just before the first debate, McCain decided to shutdown his entire campaign and tried to dodge the debate. Now during the vp debate he decided to get out of Michigan. McCain could have simply reduced his presence in Michigan without making an announcement that he is running away from Michigan with his tail between his legs. McChicken is cracking up. He has shown that he is no fighter. He is a quitter. Even his running mate is questioning his rationale for running away from Michigan. McCain probably thinks he does not want to be in the running anymore. If he does not have a positive message for the Joe six-pack in Michigan, how is he going to help this country get up on its feet. Michigan is the hub of our auto industry which is crucial to our energy policies. What McCain has shown is that he would rather run away from the problem than solve the problem of Joe six-packs in Michigan.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | October 4, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

he knows he cant win the unions own michigan all the unions are in the tank for obama who has promised goverment loans and the return of the welfare days of the past. one thing the volt will not save gm its again a car that has come to late in the game honda has made a better hybred car for half the price

Posted by: getsix1 | October 4, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

It means simply that he is a dead man walking. He looks like a corpse, he acts like a corpse .... he's a corpse.

Posted by: pookiecat | October 3, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Being from Michigan, I am very proud that my home state had the presence of mind to see McCain for the liar and slimeball that he really is.

What pushed people over the edge is when it became known that McCain's people were trying to disenfranchise voters in Maccomb County who had lost their homes due to foreclosure. That turned the tide irrevokably against him. We can put up with right wing nonsense once in a while, but scummy acts like trying to capitalize on people's misfortunes does not rub Michiganders the right way.

I hope he returns to Michigan though. It would be a shame to let the tar and feathers go to waste.

Posted by: abigsam | October 3, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like the McCain camp is running scared.

Day late and a dollar short.

Posted by: WillSeattle | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Maverick...How many of you think of the looney tunes little old Yosemite Sam
everytime the repubs mention maverick.

There you go looney tunes and republicans
thats about right!!

Posted by: 1-20-09 | October 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure."

One would say that conservatives would point out to the military (paid by the taxpayers, thus a government program) as one that works. Or are they accepting that they messed up in sending it to Iraq?

McCain decision to pull out of Michigan was foolish. I would have attempted scaling back operation, but kept a presence in the Wolverin State in an effort to force Obama spend some effort in defending its 17 electoral votes, but conceding it to Obama a little over a month from the election? Not wise at all!

DDawd your analysis of McCain's options to get a majority in the Electoral College was an oasis of sanity in what has become an exercise in political sniping.

I would submit to you DDawd an alternate possibility. McCain is hoping to hold onto the states Bush won in '04, but sacrificing Colorado and Iowa and exchanging New Mexico for New Hampshire's 4 electoral votes and winning northern Maine's electoral vote to squeak with a 270-269 win over Obama.

Nonetheless, McCain's defensive strategy gives Obama the initiative. I would think that an Annapolis graduate would have taken to heart the adage that a defensive strategy gives the other side the advantage. McCain has to use his resources to keep his states in line while Obama has the luxury to go into Republican states, such as Virginia and North Carolina and try to put them on his side of the column.

For example, if we take into account the map I described above and flip Virginia to the Democratic column, Obama wins 281-257. Let's say instead, Obama decides to concentrate on that most obvious of battleground states, Ohio, and McCain follows the strategy I outlined above, Obama wins 288-250 How about Obama opts to concentrate his fire on Missouri 279-259.

Therefore, McCain pulling out of Michigan in the hopes of holding onto Ohio and snatching New Hampshire and northern Maine is the wrong thing for McCain to do. He needed to have kept Obama tied down, if just to make sure he spends resources he can use somewhere else in Michigan.

Posted by: Kruhn1 | October 3, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Liberals tend to be more stupid and ignorent, a lot of people who are voting for Obama are doing so just because he is Black and/or a Democrat and soley because of those reasons. As much as ignorence is plagued with the Conservatives, this is merely a ploy to discredit the right-winged stance on a subject. Conservatives tend to choose their stance on an issue based on their moral/ethical/political beliefs instead of just because it is the Republican agenda.

Posted by: shotgun929


First run the spell checker. or are you Ignorant to do this. I am surprised that independents and democrats do not vote on their moral/ethical/political beliefs. I think you meant to say that the democrats and independents do not vote on your moral/ethical/political, which are obviously unchallengeable.

Posted by: charliewewe | October 3, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

What does it mean???????

It means like we residents of Illinois, a majority of Michiganders have been duped into thinking higher and higher taxes will benefit them.

Illinois "Obama country" has the highest property taxes, highest state income taxes, highest sales taxes, highest tolls on all the roads that most us us use to commute and the most corrupt politicians in the nation. They have used their positions of power as simple blunt force patronage for their cronies.

I suppose the local hacks in Michigan have also achieved their goal of a one-party socialist system, just like Illinois. They control everything and dissent is not tolerated. The "free press" is nearly totally in their pockets.

While other states have succeeded in recent years, the bloated governments run by the liberals of the upper Midwest have drove business and jobs out by the car and boat load.

In short, it means more of the same liberal domination of ordinary people who still care about this country!

Even though my vote will NOT COUNT in Illinois, I'm still voting McCain! out of defiance against the corruption here, if nothing else.

Posted by: chicago77 | October 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

What are you smoking, K of Z?"

Mike, he is here to bash liberals and get in pissing matches. Thoughtful discussion is not his forte. It can be fun to mess with him, but be prepared for an argument in which logic & facts are irrelevant. Stereotypes & shouting down the opposition are the preferred weapons.


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In other words...crack :)

Hey, king of puke, bippidity bop bop boo! Woogidity boogidity - argue that...

Posted by: LABC | October 3, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Change, Chicago Obama Style...

Body count. In the last six months:
292 killed (murdered) in Chicago,
221 killed in Iraq.

Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike), Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley).....our leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago . Of course they're all blaming each other.
Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County (Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . He's gonna 'fix' Washington politics? Yeah right!!! May God help us!!!

Posted by: nonyabusiness1 | October 3, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it people. Its still politics Dems, Reps, Facts are what count. Fact is the first 6 years Bush was in office the economy was great with a republican controlled congress. The Dems have controlled congress the last 3 years. It was 2 years ago that the economy has plummeted. Go figure. By the way, Palin has done a good job in Alaska. They are one of the few states that has a surplus and she has managed to reduce taxes at the same time. What has Biden done accept for steal other thoughts and messages for over 36 years!!!! I guess he invented the internet too.

Posted by: nonyabusiness1 | October 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

earlray, I have one question.

Do you think any of the abusers of the past eight years won't lie under oath?

Posted by: wwwqueen | October 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I guess once John got a load of our Ojamas on the Today Show in Detroit he knew he was done for. 1 down, 49 to go!

Posted by: Ojamas | October 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't mean anything. Michigan was never going to vote republican. Just the fact that they re-elected that useless Gov shows how clueless they seem to be. They whine a lot but when they have the chance to make a change or send a message they just sit on their hands.

Posted by: sque1 | October 3, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

What does MCCAIN/BIDEN pulling out of Michigan mean ? 1) it means one down forty-nine to go 2) it means at least one state won't have to listen to the "Mavericks" (isn't that like Lone Rangers?) 3) it means they don't have to decypher what all those winks were about 4) it means LUCKY THEM!!!

Posted by: happygoluckytoyou | October 3, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

peeeuuu Palin did not answer any questions only have vague and simplistic answers that made no real differences between McCaint and Bush2 policies.....

Biden clearly had a grasp of the issues and peeeuuu Palin was grasping at his pant leg....

The only thing I heard from peeeuuu Palin was her desire to change the US Constitution for VP control of votes...

In the history of the United States has there ever been a least understood, most ridiculed, and most often ignored constitutional office in the federal government...and she wants more control over HOUSE votes?

Two were never elected by the people.
One was the target of a failed assassination plot.
One was mobbed in his car while on a goodwill mission.
Seven died in office — one in his room in the U.S. Capitol and two fatally stricken while on their way to preside over the Senate.

And one piano-playing vice president suffered political repercussions from a photograph showing him playing that instrument while famous movie actress Lauren Bacall posed seductively on top of it.

The Vice president "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28.

Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes

Palin appeared to be just like a "Chatty Kathy" doll, pulling the string on her own back and spewing the same old rhetoric and crapola.

That "By Gosh" demeanor came across as nothing more than a pageant queen's way of trying to win a crown.

She is what I have described in other blogs as an "Empty Bag" filled with a steaming pile of crap and lies filled up almost to bursting with all of the pathetic McCaint talking points but made no discussion on how they are in tune with the needs and desires for change for this nation...

As for the debate, No contest. Biden is intelligent and obviously cares about people, like most liberals, while Palin is your typical racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-intellectual who uses GOD, War, and economic lies in the same sentence and can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.

She obviously didn’t know what she was talking about and didn’t answer most of the questions.

But she does know foreign policy, cause, gosh, she lives next to Russia!!!

Oh, and why are we not hearing more about Palin and her witch hunter pastor?

I know it wont make a difference to many conservatives out there, but I've just been wondering we had to hear about Obama and his pastor, why isn’t the fact that Palin is really even more stupid and ignorant than anyone could possibly imagine (except the stupid people like her) being reported more, and gives it another reason not to be being reported at all...

peeeeuuu......

Obama/Biden '08
Obama/Biden '12

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 3, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Michigan and the "Domino Effect".....next to fall Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa (oop's already down), Minnesota.....

Posted by: cetacian | October 3, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

It's amusing seeing barely literate posts claiming that liberals are "stupid and ignorant," etc. Not one or the other, mind you. You know he was just dying to say "dumb" too, but probably realized in time that that wouldn't sound quite right.

It's like arguing with a second-grader, talking to Republicans. Especially the inability to differentiate between what they want to believe and what actually is true. And the sulking and whining when they're wrong and don't get what they want.

Hey, Republicans: you get what you get, and you don't get upset.

Posted by: nodebris | October 3, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Jester_of_Zouk wrote: "I see. so you are not willing to admit one single fact. business as usual under Lib leadership."

I'll admit any fact. But you seem to be confused about the difference between facts and opinions. They aren't the same thing. Really. Check the dictionary. Or ask your teacher -- I bet it will be on your vocab final.

Some smart person once said, "You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts."

You ought to ponder that one for a bit.

Posted by: nodebris | October 3, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Experience at cheerleading and voting for a profoundly stupid decision to invade and occupy Iraq and then predicting a cheap, quick and easy victory there isn't something that makes you a better choice for President. Experience at spending an entire career trying to do away with government regulations, including ones that could have prevented the recent melt down isn't something that makes you a better choice for President. McCain didn't even bother to READ the 3-page Paulson bailout proposal for FOUR days after it was made public and then he starting screaming that the sky was falling and all campaigning should cease till there was a resolution. Still no resolution, John, but there you go again out there campaigning on.

Intelligence and judgment, basic intellectual curiosity and experience (however brief) at being RIGHT have a lot more to recommend them as traits of a President than does experience at being wrong. Obama is demonstrating not only superior intellect and judgment, but also FAR superior temperment to that of the rage-prone, flip-flopping, rash John McCain.

Posted by: dolph924 | October 3, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

The national contest is becoming quite similar to the Democratic nomination. While Hillary was all bluster, Obama and his team quietly got the job done. Goodbye McCain.

Posted by: smc91 | October 2, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Liberals tend to be more stupid and ignorent, a lot of people who are voting for Obama are doing so just because he is Black and/or a Democrat and soley because of those reasons. As much as ignorence is plagued with the Conservatives, this is merely a ploy to discredit the right-winged stance on a subject. Conservatives tend to choose their stance on an issue based on their moral/ethical/political beliefs instead of just because it is the Republican agenda.

Posted by: shotgun929 | October 2, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

cmb1 wrote, "The implication that most Obama voters are stupid or uneducated is just plain false."

The difference between us and them is that we don't mind.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 2, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I would rather have Obama with a touch of inexperience leading the nation than eight more years of very experienced republicans ! For all their good deeds leaving office they deserve one more show of affection from us , a full scale investigation of their activities while in office. Starting the investigation date of 9-11-01 ! Does that ring a bell? Time to get to the facts under oath!

Posted by: earlray156 | October 2, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

""find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure."

Medicare. A cost efficient program that spends less per dollar collected, than private healthcare to deliver quality healthcare. You know that socialized medicine program that your parents and grandparents have for a generation relied on.

Posted by: leichtman | October 2, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I know it is way down the chain there but someone needs to check their facts.

Polling consistantly shows that the more education you have the more likely it is that you are an Obama supporter.

The implication that most Obama voters are stupid or uneducated is just plain false.

Posted by: cmb1 | October 2, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Thank the lord ! Bye bye senator Mc-mean . Your stance regarding war were truly a turn off except for the truly nuckle heads
of your parties right, Strange against abortion but backing war in Iraq! Weird..........

Posted by: earlray156 | October 2, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

First of all, the fact that the Republicans view Indiana, Missouri, VIRGINIA, AND NORTH CAROLINA as "swing states" means McCain is in serious trouble. That's not offense. Bush won all those states!

Secondly, are they seriously reduced to fighting for one electoral vote in Maine?

Third, they're not going to win Wisconsin or Minnesota, and even if they win PA, Obama still has several other paths.

I guess McCain yelling at Michigan factory workers that their jobs were "gone... and not coming back" really came back to bite him! Too bad he didn't choose Polyanna CEO Romney as VP.

Posted by: gannonlong | October 2, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't anyone think this is ridiculous. I can sympathize with the cheers no more commercials or the sobs, no more media money but the fact remain you as a voter have been marginalized. Due to the dynamics in your state maybe you shouldn't even bother to vote what good will it do if the state is leaning one way or another and you are on the side that is going to be squashed down to zero. No wonder lots of people get the feeling their vote doesn't count because IT DOESN'T!!!
No matter what side you are on it makes no difference, if you are on the low side your state just had a landslide and it buried you and your vote.

Posted by: cgillard | October 2, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

A much better example was FEMA, under Clinton. With Al Gore as an added bonus. The time line was Disaster, instant FEMA and Gore, quick response and quick recovery. George went out of his way to destroy FEMA BECAUSE it had such a reputation as a Federal Agency that worked. NOAA was another agency that was good and getting better until George took a hack at it.

But the infinite supply of party hacks and incompetents are about to have to go into private industry. Look out for any company who gets an ex Bush administration guru as its CEO, CFO, or chief building maintenance supervisor.

Listening to the Bush flacks quack and stutter is only mildly entertaining.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 2, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Copeland wrote the soundtrack to the 2008 U.S. presidential election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiB8B4XsBRk

Posted by: officermancuso | October 2, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh hallelujah! I can watch the local morning news without being bombarded for the next four weeks!

Posted by: corridorg4 | October 2, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

nobull1 wrote:

"The Post Office?
"Where else can someone who dropped out of
school after 8th grade make 70k a yr.?
It does work for the employees but we have seen more price increases in stamps in the last 15 yrs. than the entire existance of the Postal service. I would say that works...if you like a 100% inflation rate. "Hey, you can even bring assault rifles to work on Mondays. got to love how the Union negotiated that. "

If you can show me a for-profit company that will reliably deliver a letter to *any* U.S. citizen within 4 days of your posting it, for 42 cents, I'll think real hard about your argument.

I've found that the cost of gasoline and dairy products is taking more of a bite out of my family's budget than postal rate increases. Your mileage may vary.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 2, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

The Post Office?
Where else can someone who dropped out of
school after 8th grade make 70k a yr.?
It does work for the employees but we have seen more price increases in stamps in the last 15 yrs. than the entire existance of the Postal service. I would say that works...if you like a 100% inflation rate. Hey, you can even bring assault rifles to work on Mondays. got to love
how the Union negotiated that.

Posted by: nobull1 | October 2, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

NOT THE ONLY RETREAT

PORK IN THE 700 BILLION DOLLARS?

"I have fought the big spenders in both parties who waste your money on both things you may not need or want. And the first big spending, pork barrel earmarked bill that comes across my desk I will veto it - I will make them famous, and you will know their names! You will know their names!"....His name is............ JOHN McCAIN.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 2, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

It means that McSenile needs to quit singing bomb, bomb, bomb Iran and start signing turn out the lights the parties over. Obama/Biden 08
Connie from Indiana

Posted by: grams1944 | October 2, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure"

I'll prolly take it on the chin for this one, but may I suggest that the United States Postal Service is one of the most efficient bureacracies in history. People like to tell horror stories, but you put that first class letter in the mail, and it's a virtual 100% chance that it gets delivered to the right place within 4 business days, for thirty-some cents. Considering that this is accomplished in a nation of some 300 million people, that's no small accomplishment.

There are also some jobs that no private company would be willing to do at a price people would be willing to pay - such as providing electrical and phone service to rural communities in Nevada. I should say, "no private company would be willing to do it in the absence of a government-imposed rate structure that allows them to overcharge urbanites in order to serve rural areas.

This current economic mess, God willing, may finally put to bed the idea that if we just let people pursue profit and leave them alone, we'll have the most efficient possible system.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 2, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Strimple's strategy sounds like the losing team in the last two minutes of a football game -- "If we just hold them here, then get a quick touchdown and a 2 point conversion, then recover the onside kick and score again, we can get to overtime where we have a chance . . . ."

Posted by: simpleton1 | October 2, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

This may be the beginning of the domino effect. I heard the senator is also pulling out of his home state of Arizona. lol! Good riddance, and take Arpaio with ya!

Posted by: tydicea | October 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure."

It's been pounded to death but let me add my 2C

The Park Service.
The Coast Guard.

Posted by: Megaduck | October 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

ewyeth said:

"the Reagan years are to blame for Michigans manufacturing demise"
You have to be kidding me. The single largest reason is the auto unions and the chokehold they have on all aspects of the shops. If a machine burns out a lightbulb they have to wait for a Union Electrician to come and replace it for crying out loud. In the mean time the operator in China just built 400 pieces while the union shop electrician had lunch etc. When approximately 50% of the cost of a new vehicle is to cover pensions of those not working anymore how can they compete.

Then to top it all off their great Liberal leader has a nice 2% business to business tax on every dollar. That is not a tax on profit, but a tax on Every Single Dollar that changes hands in Michigan. When companies are struggling to stay afloat that is life or death. Doesn't even matter if you made a profit..YOU PAY! I know first hand over 7 manufacturing companies who closed and moved for this reason. Taxing your economic future and base to pay for social programs never works! This is what we have to look forward to after November if the Actors and Musicians get their man in there.

Posted by: nobull1 | October 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

brassfacts wrote, "What it means is because of the economy and other issues Palin plans to step down and allow Mitt Romney to run as Vice-President and with him as the pick there is no reason to waste more resources in Michigan. It's already won...."

There's a technical term for what you're doing in that post. It's not even a term that's the exclusive property of elitists like college professors and short sellers.

It's "wishful thinking".

Posted by: officermancuso | October 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Missouri! If Obama is leading in Missouri and McBush is pulling out of Michigan, this election is headed for a LANDSLIDE!!!! Yeah, baby, oh yeah!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | October 2, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Bobo4Bush blovated:

It was a matter of leave or eventually get shot! Hell, that's why I left the festering sh*thole.

--------------------

Well heck then, the place has already improved.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 2, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"Federal Interstate Highway System."

Reminds me of when McCain went on SNL and talked about how he cut earmarks when he started, Arizona was filled with useless highways (shows map of Arizona filled with highways) Once he became senator, he got rid of most of them (shows map of Arizona with one highway that goes about halfway through the state)

funny funny stuff.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 2, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

For the first post...
Internet hoax about gang targeting women at Genesee County gas stations sparking panic
by The Flint Journal
Wednesday October 01, 2008, 2:28 PM

GENESEE COUNTY, Michigan -- An apparent Internet hoax is causing hysteria as rumors spread through text messages, e-mails and word-of-mouth about a supposed gang initiation involving shooting women in the head at gas stations.

State police said they have been flooded with calls about rumors that a woman had been shot. The rumors remain unsubstantiated, although panicked residents flooded police with telephone calls, parents pulled students out of school and at least one school district went into lockdown.

WDIV (Channel 4) in Detroit reported on its Web site Sept. 22 that Pontiac police were looking for information about text messages about a similar alleged gang initiation that police called a hoax.

Flint police dispatchers this morning broadcast an alert over the police dispatch system, alerting officers to the rumor about women being targeted at gas stations. When contacted by The Flint Journal, a police official said that they were repeating an alert given to them, and that they did not know the source of the information.

"We would ask that every citizen and business owner pay close attention to their surroundings and report and suspicious activity to their local police department or call 911," said Flint police spokesman Sgt. Kenneth Engel said later in the day.

Genesee County Prosecutor David S. Leyton this afternoon said nothing about the rumor has been substantiated and said his advice to citizens is the same as it is every day: "Be alert and vigilant at all times. Today is no different than any other day."

There was a deadly shooting in Flint today, but it was a man killed in front of a store and did not appear to be related to the rumor.

Glen Hanners, 44 of Flint got the first text this morning.

"I got a text on my phone, then later I got word there's been three shootings today," said Hanners.

It led him to pick up his four children from school early. They attend Carman-Ainsworth schools.

"I saw other parents there doing the same," he said.

The rumors prompted the University of Michigan-Flint to send an e-mail warning to staff and students.

"Although the rumor has not been confirmed and it may be a hoax, please use extreme caution while in your vehicle and/or purchasing gas," stated the e-mail from Bill Webb, the school's assistant vice chancellor for administration.

Flint schools spokesman Craig Carter said the district was not on lockdown, but the schools did heighten security.

All exterior doors were locked, students did not have recess and security personnel were asked to use extra caution when screening visitors, he said.

"We had information from various sources that we should be extra cautious," he said.

Reports of a shooting at a Pierson Road gas station led to the lock down of the Westwood Heights school district.

"We're all taking precautionary measures," said Westwood Heights Superintendent Deborah Hunter Harvill. "I was at the high school and (McMonagle) elementary school after hearing it, so we're on lock down. We did alert the Mt. Morris Township police as well. We have some parents that are picking up students and we are sending home notes. We are doing the best we can to be safe."

"Basically we kept the doors locked and kept students away from glass areas," she said. "We did find that some students had already been contacted and some parents heard about it over the news. We are proceeding cautiously and our children are safe."

Hunter Harvill was not able to pinpoint the source of the information.

Posted by: confident_dem | October 2, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

all hail to bush and mccain and palin too
whiiite powwwwwwwwwwer
welcome to the forth reich
whiiite powwwwwwwwwwer

Posted by: jakemok99 | October 2, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I am saving the last couple of hundred I have left for the 2-3 weeks heading into the general election.

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 2, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, what BS!

There was no such gang initiation or shooting rampage in Flint this week. Nor this month. Nor this year.

Besides, that is a completely illogical argument. All the GOP votes are to be had in Grand Rapids, the rich Detroit suburbs, and upstate. McCain can campaign plenty in these areas if he wants. And the article is all about paid staff and commercials, not appearances.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I both maxed out the other night. When they said Obama was having trouble a month or so ago he had his biggest month with almost 70 million. I bet it is that much or more for October. Now is the time to finish off Mccain for good.


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McCain got his 84 millions from the US Dept. of Treasury. With the economic downturn, Sen. Obama's camp, relying on donors like you and me, will be hurt. We are in the last days of campaign. This election is not locked in yet. Let's all give Sen.

Obama one last push by donating $5, $10,... $50 whatever you can. We must not let our nation to fall into the disastrous hands of McCain. You can skip a cup of coffee, or a movie. Please help yourself (big!) and your country by helping Sen. Obama to win this race.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

Posted by: leiguo1959 | October 2, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 2, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, Michigan is all agog for a black president. I'm excited to see how an arrogant but inexperienced Obama and his baby-sitters run this great country. Hope to see Rev. Wright and Josh Howard lead in the singing of the national anthem during his inauguration. Finally, Michigan and the rest of the nation will fulfill Obama's personal obsession to have his picture minted in the US dollar notes as well as having his bust at the center of Mt. Rushmore. All hail, Obama!

Posted by: iwaly919 | October 2, 2008 6:08 PM
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Poor thing, now run along and vote for Yoda and Coyote Barbee. That'll teach US!!!

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 2, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, K-o-Z,
Don't like unions? Think they ruin a country? Let me ask you then how you like your weekends. Thank a union for those. How do you like overtime pay? Thank a union for that. How about benefits? Retirement plans? Minimum wage? Oh, wait. You probably make more than minimum wage, but you wouldn't be paid as well if there wasn't a line drawn how low you can go.

Posted by: mischanova | October 2, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"From a MN perspective, I'd say his efforts would be far more productive playing defense in CO rather than offense in MN.

His problem is he has to play defense in so many places, while his options for playing offense are dwindling."

Ok, its settled. McCain plays D in Colorado :)

But I don't think he can afford to play offense ANYWHERE. He has 16 EV he can give Obama and his best bet is to just give up as many of those as possible. Iowa and NM make up 12. No other tossup Bush state is less than 5. Taking NH will allow Obama to take Nevada, but won't make a difference since it won't make up for the loss of any other Bush swing state (none are less than 8)

And McCain is on the outside looking in with a LOT of those tossup states.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 2, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

As a native Michigander,I understand exactly why Sen. McCain bailed. It's a dissmal, crime infested stink hole, with some of the worst representation in the nation. Not to mention 2 of the top 10 most violent crime filled cities. Flint and Detroit.
It was a matter of leave or eventually get shot! Hell, that's why I left the festering sh*thole.
Just Yesterday, there was a gang initiation in Flint. The initiates were to shoot the first woman they seen, at a gas station, in the head. 6 women were hospitalized.
We understand Sen. McCain, that is more of an Obama type state. Let him go there and get shot. We need you unharmed so you can lead this country back into greatness.

Posted by: Bobo4bush | October 2, 2008 6:06 PM
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If it were that bad why was McCain there in the first place? Crime didn't just begin in the state yesterday, last month or last year.

You, my friend, have displayed SOUR GRAPES.

Take a picture of yourself and post it for all to see.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 2, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

first michigan,then to be followed by pennsylvania and ohio.without these big three industrial states his chances fizzles.some southern states virginia/north carolina are wavering and both are no guarantee to fall into the mccain column.people are scared about this economy and the blame is being placed at the doorstep of republicans for not regulating these banks and investment houses.to give up on michigan is huge.

Posted by: ronaldtennillegeorgia1 | October 2, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, Michigan is all agog for a black president. I'm excited to see how an arrogant but inexperienced Obama and his baby-sitters run this great country. Hope to see Rev. Wright and Josh Howard lead in the singing of the national anthem during his inauguration. Finally, Michigan and the rest of the nation will fulfill Obama's personal obsession to have his picture minted in the US dollar notes as well as having his bust at the center of Mt. Rushmore. All hail, Obama!

Posted by: iwaly919 | October 2, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

It is going to be a tough fight, but I think McCain lost a chance to make some real changes in the Republican party, and move it to the center. Take religion out, take big government out, and return it to where it should be -- make the the party of, say, Arlen Specter instead of George W. Bush. Would he have lost some of the base? Sure. But he could have expanded the tent of the GOP in new ways.

Instead he is running a poor copy, or parody, of a Rovian campaign in the Bush style. But he's the wrong guy for that, and its the wrong time for that [Rove probably could have told him that and set him on a direction that had him 5 pts up . . . Schmidt ain't no architect]

Posted by: MShake | October 2, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

bsimon,

Thanks, but although I've been too busy to post for a while, I remember KofZ all too well. He's absolutely a top-rate mind, however compared to garbage-spewers like this zzapperz.

I mean, please. Why would anyone try to make up stats about Obama supporters being uneducated, when the polls consistently show that college-educated voters are far more likely to vote for him?

Clearly someone itching for a fight without knowing he is unarmed.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain got his 84 millions from the US Dept. of Treasury. With the economic downturn, Sen. Obama's camp, relying on donors like you and me, will be hurt. We are in the last days of campaign. This election is not locked in yet. Let's all give Sen. Obama one last push by donating $5, $10,... $50 whatever you can. We must not let our nation to fall into the disastrous hands of McCain. You can skip a cup of coffee, or a movie. Please help yourself (big!) and your country by helping Sen. Obama to win this race.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

Posted by: leiguo1959 | October 2, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

show me any city or state with black leadership that works? Blacks can't govern, hell they got to get through school. the fact is 88% of Obama supporters have just are high school graduates or less..sounds like blacks to me... dummies for obama

Posted by: zzapperz | October 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

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Time is a'wastin' pack your bags and just get the hell outa' Michigan, ok?

BTW (for you, that means By the way), I am an independent minded, critical thinking African American proud of the fact that I am not enslaved to one political party or the other.

I revel in the reality that I can and do make informed decisions.

I am voting for Barrack Obama, because John McCain has not demonstrated, by action, that he will live up to his campaign word.

Ohh, and BTW I have completed my Masters degree and am well on the way to finishing my Ph.D.

So much for your asanine generalization and equally asanine percentages.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 2, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

As a native Michigander,I understand exactly why Sen. McCain bailed. It's a dissmal, crime infested stink hole, with some of the worst representation in the nation. Not to mention 2 of the top 10 most violent crime filled cities. Flint and Detroit.
It was a matter of leave or eventually get shot! Hell, that's why I left the festering sh*thole.
Just Yesterday, there was a gang initiation in Flint. The initiates were to shoot the first woman they seen, at a gas station, in the head. 6 women were hospitalized.
We understand Sen. McCain, that is more of an Obama type state. Let him go there and get shot. We need you unharmed so you can lead this country back into greatness.

Posted by: Bobo4bush | October 2, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

""find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure."

You keep touting The Surge.

Sorry, you're right. That's been outsourced to Blackwater and Halliburton.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 2, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

As a native Michigander,I understand exactly why Sen. McCain bailed. It's a dissmal, crime infested stink hole, with some of the worst representation in the nation. Not to mention 2 of the top 10 most violent crime filled cities. Flint and Detroit.
It was a matter of leave or eventually get shot! Hell, that's why I left the festering sh*thole.
Just Yesterday, there was a gang initiation in Flint. The initiates were to shoot the first woman they seen, at a gas station, in the head. 6 women were hospitalized.
We understand Sen. McCain, that is more of an Obama type state. Let him go there and get shot. We need you unharmed so you can lead this country back into greatness.

Posted by: Bobo4bush | October 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure."

NASA, sure, NOAA too for all you hurricane watchers, and NTSB (the airline crash and other transportation incident investigation people) -- can you imagine a privatized NTSB?

Not that facts ever bothered the haters. Is there *any* path to 270 for McCain now? Doesn't he have to win FL, OH and PA at this point? fivethirtyeight has Obama at 84% for the win...

Posted by: PandaMan5 | October 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

So, as president, he'd take foreign policy advice from a governor who insists that she knows about foreign policy because Alaska is close to Russia -- but not the head of the senate foreign policy committee??

Does he just think we are totally stupid???

Posted by: Kathleen4 | October 2, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse
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Yes.

Posted by: thebanana | October 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Interesting but incorrect stonecreek:
"Bill White ain't all that popular in Houston"
He has done a great job getting us through Rita and Ike and has even been praised by some local R's for the job that he has done, especially over the last 2 weeks. Nationally he won praise for his handling of the Katrina victims. There are a large number of Houstonians who love our mayor and will be with him when he runs for Governor.

Posted by: leichtman | October 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What it means is because of the economy and other issues Palin plans to step down and allow Mitt Romney to run as Vice-President and with him as the pick there is no reason to waste more resources in Michigan. It's already won....

Posted by: brassfacts | October 2, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
The real thing to watch here are the RNC buys in MI. They're not limited by the $84M public financing cap.

If the RNC spends heavily in MI, with pro-McCain ads, they think it's still in play. If not, they've given up on it.

I saw the WaPo numbers for the just released poll, and they're painting a grim picture for McCain. Most Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction, and 60%+ think that Obama is the one that can bring real change, as opposed to 38% for McCain.

When they enter that voting booth, if they want to change the direction of the country, they'll vote Obama overwhelmingly. So say the polling data.


Of course, it's a long way till the election, and anything can happen. But barring a major external event, it seems there is very little McCain can do at this point.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 2, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

"find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure."

Look, "zouk", once you put down the Kampaign Kool-Aid and do some research, you'd find them. " ... just one ... "? Here are just five off the top of my head ...

Veteran's GI Bill(s) and benefits.
Federal Interstate Highway System.
Centers for Disease Control.
Immunization programs.
Head Start.

There are MANY others, but certainly none of that fits your anti-govt, anti-tax screed, does it?

Pesky things, those FACTS !!

Oh, and taxes? Those are your MEMBERSHIP DUES, you putz, for the privilege of living here in the U.S.A.

Posted by: phoenixresearch | October 2, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

As much as I want Obama to win this contest and become our next president, I wonder if anyone will be able to clean up the Augean stables that the Republicans will leave behind. For centuries the Black man has had to clean up the White man's messes. Here we go again, same old same old.

Posted by: acboatman | October 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"A" central battleground? What does that even mean?

Posted by: ChadPitt | October 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112 wrote, "LOL. Sorry...premature clickation."

This would presumably be the type of thing where Dr. Ruth might be more helpful than James Carville?

Although...picturing James Carville might be more useful than thinking about baseball statistics....

::::ducking::::

Posted by: officermancuso | October 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

show me any city or state with black leadership that works? Blacks can't govern, hell they got to get through school. the fact is 88% of Obama supporters have just are high school graduates or less..sounds like blacks to me... dummies for obama

Posted by: zzapperz | October 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Need more proof. Just look at the Illinois situation. no Rs there to blame. Failing schools, bankrupt pension fund, crime out of control, criminal political system, unions running business to the end of profitability.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 2, 2008 5:02 PM"

Um, check your facts -- putting aside your completely false characterization of the state, the last Illinois governor was a Republican and he just got sent to jail for corruption . . .

Posted by: simpleton1 | October 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Sorry...premature clickation.

As I was saying...

Now begins McCain's version of Sherman's March....scorched earth advertising...it's going to get demonically nasty as McCain marches towards his defeat.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 2, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

just give up democracy party dummies no way you can stop the baracuda she will be the best president in the world me like macaine but mostly sara hottie palling she look mity fine in swimsuit and when she win you pay for make fun she met leaders at un she got experience now she have 6 pack and you gonna ride her holy roller coaster for next 8 years just like bush but next war we gonna win cause enemie in aw of president palling hottness

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 2, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

NO

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 2, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

ddawd writes
"I think Colorado is a better chance for McCain, but Minnesota isn't polled that often, so who knows how real the CNN poll results are. The campaigns have their own data, and should use that data to determine whether to choose Colorado or Minnesota.

As an outsider, I'd say Colorado. An insider might think differently."


From a MN perspective, I'd say his efforts would be far more productive playing defense in CO rather than offense in MN.

His problem is he has to play defense in so many places, while his options for playing offense are dwindling.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 2, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"I'm curious to see how McCain will do in South Carolina. As Chris noted, McCain lost that state in 2000 and it is now a swing state in the 2008 race."

Um, no...its not.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I settled on Mississippi, home of former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott.

So, here we go. Rankings courtesy of the Census Bureau:

Highest Unemployment: MI 1st, MS 2nd.
Most People in Poverty: MI 19th, MS 1st.
Highest Infant Mortality: MI 13th, MS 1st.
Most College Degrees: MI 28th, MS 44th.
Average Pay: MI 15th, MS 48th.
Household Income: MI 23rd, MS 50th.

Well, how about that? It looks like as bad as it is with Democrats in charge of a state, it's even worse with Republicans in charge!

Which is what we've just found out at the national level, isn't it?

Posted by: nodebris | October 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but Lott can see Mexico from his yard...ohh wait maybe its only Mexicans doing landscaping for him.

Posted by: Southeasterner | October 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

If I were McCain I would be doing that all over the place...making the press jump is good for him...
obama is rarely mentioned anymore and why should they...he is not going to win...

Posted by: DwightHCollins | October 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Michigan is thrilled you will never step foot in Michigan again. Now get back on the "Straigh to Hell Express".

Posted by: magicbikes | October 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going to drop Palin in his next shocker announcement.

Even that will not save his campaign now, even that would hurt him with his base.

Americans are tired of stunts. Real issues require real anwers and leaders prepared to practice what they preach.

Leaders that will treat the needs of the people as if they were holy.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The same forces at play in MIchigan are at play in other places. If the trend is your friend, McCain is looking at a very scary Halloween

Posted by: nclwtk | October 2, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Most College Degrees: MI 28th, MS 44th.
Average Pay: MI 15th, MS 48th.
Household Income: MI 23rd, MS 50th.


so with all those advantages that the Libs usually deride, in this case, you are willing to blame that on government and ignore the fact that despite the high income and education, MI, with its liberal policies is not much better off than MS, full of poor dumb southerners.

I see. so you are not willing to admit one single fact. business as usual under Lib leadership.

the rules:

1. If anything goes wrong, ignore the culprit, blame Bush, see for example Dodd, Frank, Pelosi, reid, etc.

2. If anything goes right, take credit regardless of the culprit.

I think I have just summed up the entire Obama campaign in two lines or less. I ought to get something for that.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 2, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Smart move for Michigan voters. As the center of the nation for the big auto manufacturers, this election, more than any other is crucial to the every day worker.

The GOP has long prefered the elite top 10% of wage earners in the nation in their policies and tax breaks. That doesn't say much for the working class American.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 2, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

K of Z - maybe you should get your facts straight. Southwest Airlines is 87% unionized.

Posted by: jwg1 | October 2, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Turning ads off and then on is relatively easy to do. Question is whether or not McCain closed his MI field offices, too?

McCain lost the race when he played Herbert Hoover by saying the fundamentals are strong. He sealed lost with his phony. Withdrawing from MI seals it some more.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain simply has not run a very efficient, organized or stratigic campaign. Obama has. That alone is sufficient evidence of who can best run the executive branch.

Posted by: pds3019 | October 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"I remember.

Did you see the latest MN poll? The convention bounce is gone - its back to an 11 point race here. MN always was a pipe-dream pickup for McCain. "

Yeah, I think Colorado is a better chance for McCain, but Minnesota isn't polled that often, so who knows how real the CNN poll results are. The campaigns have their own data, and should use that data to determine whether to choose Colorado or Minnesota.

As an outsider, I'd say Colorado. An insider might think differently.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

This is the beginning of the end of Palin/McCain ticket.
We will soon see them move their operations into Alaska. They have a much better chance there of fending off the landslide that is coming down the track.

Posted by: KaneMan | October 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

What goes around comes around...

Posted by: Seaglass | October 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"I Yam what I Yam" said McCain today

Bulging right eye,
Droopy jowls,
Sailor man,
Bellicose behavior,

McCain is Popeye!

Face it!

Posted by: McCainIsPopeye | October 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN'S TOP NINE PROBLEMS

1) He's running for the presidency from a party that's held that office for two terms. Historically, that makes his election unlikely.
2) He's running for the presidency from a party whose incumbent president has the lowest consistent approval ratings in polling history.
3) He's running for the presidency from the incumbent presidential party during what is perceived by many to be the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
4) Polling data on his veep nominee is tanking, and the only time he ever led his opponent in the polls was during his veep gambit bump.
5) He is the oldest major party nominee ever to run for a first term in the presidency, which enhances concerns about the competence of his veep nominee.
6) His "rescue the bailout and skip the debate" gambit failed miserably.
7) He is not now and never has been popular with his party's base.
8) His constituency, in lieu of the party base, was often said to be the media. He's pivoted to a blame-the-media stance.
9) He's running against a man whose natural gifts as a politician are strikingly superior to his own, as evidenced by his opponent's meteoritic, unprecedented rise within the national Democratic party.

That's a pretty tough row to hoe.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

No more McCain ads in Michigan! Yay!!

In front of the Des Moines Register board yesterday, McCain said two things of note:

1) He said that he'd "never heard" of any concern about Palin's experience from the conversative front. Either he's clueless, or he's just bald-faced lying. "No one has expressed in any concerns, not in polls, nor in the base." Really? Multiple polls have found that even among Republicans, some 50% have concerns about her experience. He defense of her meager background is going to sink him.

2) He cited being on the board of "the PTA" as part of Palin's political experience

Yesterday, on NPR, McCain said that he has asked Palin for advice on foreign policy "many times" but he would never consider listening to advice from Obama or Biden.

Biden is the head of the senate foreign relations committee; Obama is also a member.

So, as president, he'd take foreign policy advice from a governor who insists that she knows about foreign policy because Alaska is close to Russia -- but not the head of the senate foreign policy committee??

Does he just think we are totally stupid???

Posted by: Kathleen4 | October 2, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure."

NASA. Sure they've had their share of mistakes, but its rocket science, and what other country (or company) has been driving robots on MARS? Also NASA is directly responsible for launching our satellite infrastructure. World leading stuff, huh? No private industry has even managed to launch something capable of reaching escape velocity. Hopefully they will someday, but its because of the pioneering work of NASA. In fact a huge amount of science and research is government funded because it can effectively spread risk and doesn't need to make a profit. Where government tends to fail is entitlement programs that seek only to minimize the effects of a problem instead of seek a solution to the source of the problem.

Posted by: tweldy | October 2, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"Since the third week of September, five polls have been released in Michigan; Obama had leads of seven, five, six, nine and thirteen points -- bringing his average overall edge in the state to 48 percent to 44 percent."

How does the average of 7, 5, 6, 9 and 13 equal 4? Anyway, the link posted to the blog is to Wisconsin's page, not Michigan's. The Michigan page shows an 5% average lead.

Posted by: kimberly2 | October 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Xanadu3:

You said:
"What if the media had contrasted Gov. Sarah Palin's successful governorship based on fiscal and ethical responsibility with the failures in Michigan? ... And what happens if McCain/Palin don't win in November? How many other states will resemble Michigan?"

You made other dubious remarks about Fannie/Freddie, and I'd love to explain McCain's campaign chairman's ongoing and lucrative lobbying relationship to them up until last month, but I think you need an education on civics instead.

Here's what you don't seem to get: Alaska has a large land area with a very small population and a lot of exploited natural resources as a base for it's economy. In fact, the entire population of Alaska is smaller than Detroit's (pop. of Alaska 670,053; pop. of Detroit 951,270; pop. of Michigan 10,095,643). In addition, in 1968 a massive oil and gas field was discovered in Alaska that has been used to make Alaska into a very wealthy state. Alaska has been "in the black" for generations, not by virtue of stellar management (Alaska's government has been know as one of the most corrupt among the 50 states), but by virtue of it's natural resources. To give Ms. Palin credit for Alaska's financial books is simply giving her too much credit.

Now take MI: They rely on a strong manufacturing base, since many of her natural resources were depleted in the 19th century (forests cut down for Western expansion, etc). However, since the Reagan years guys like John McCain have undermined the manufacturing industry in the US by cutting tariffs (not all tariffs are bad -- ask China and Japan; they impose them on us!); giving out tax breaks for moving manufacturing overseas; union busting; and either repealing, ignoring, or simply not enforcing labor laws that protect the workers. Michigan is a much more complicated economy than Alaska, and Republicans like McCain have not served her well. That's why Michigan is trending away from McCain. Her voters are beginning to see through the made-up social wedge issues and the lies that are the Bush/McCain legacy.

Xanadu3, you say look at MI if we want to see what an Obama presidency will look like? I've just shown how that is ridiculous. I say if you want to see a McCain presidency, you need to look at Wall Street.

Posted by: ewyeth | October 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is going to tax and spend his way out of a recession."

If only because the GOP has borrowed and spent its way into one.

McBush needed MI badly, especially with Obama leading in 2004 red-staters IA, VA, NM, and CO. If Obama keeps his lead in those four (and let's not even talk about NC and FL), McCain has a difficult path to an EC majority.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Zouk et al, are trying to use Michigan as an example of failed Democratic policies.

Zouk seems to be arguing that any problems a state may have must be completely due to the party ruling it -- it couldn't have anything to do with history, industry, macroeconomic trends, et.

So I thought it might be good and fair to compare Michigan to an extremely Republican state, to see how much better Republicans are at governing.

I settled on Mississippi, home of former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott.

So, here we go. Rankings courtesy of the Census Bureau:

Highest Unemployment: MI 1st, MS 2nd.
Most People in Poverty: MI 19th, MS 1st.
Highest Infant Mortality: MI 13th, MS 1st.
Most College Degrees: MI 28th, MS 44th.
Average Pay: MI 15th, MS 48th.
Household Income: MI 23rd, MS 50th.

Well, how about that? It looks like as bad as it is with Democrats in charge of a state, it's even worse with Republicans in charge!

Which is what we've just found out at the national level, isn't it?

Posted by: nodebris | October 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"What are you smoking, K of Z?"

Mike, he is here to bash liberals and get in pissing matches. Thoughtful discussion is not his forte. It can be fun to mess with him, but be prepared for an argument in which logic & facts are irrelevant. Stereotypes & shouting down the opposition are the preferred weapons.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

What a relief to see these numbers. Watching GW Bush get elected twice, after all he's done to our nation, has left me in a state of permanent dread, as I've wondered if American voters are truly as clueless as the last two elections suggest. It takes us some time, I think, with the relentless Rovian propaganda machine turning black to white and up to down, but eventually we seem to get a clear view again.

This time, I pray, the slander and lies that are sure to come at Obama in the next few weeks don't cloud people's vision once again and result in four more years of incompetence, impulsivity, economic misery, environmental assaults, and very likely, another war of choice. Because that's what McCain and... ack... Palin will surely bring.

Posted by: yogi11 | October 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

What it means:

McCain's campaign set out a strategy of focusing on the trees, "It's not about the issues, it's about the personalities," his manager exclaimed. But while the campaign was so busy focusing on the trees of the forest they forget to watch the children, "Oh no, where's little Georgie," someone said. "Oh no, where are the matches," another said. "I smell smoke," one particularly attentive staffer screamed. "What is it, what is it," the campaign cried. "The forest, it's on fire," Paulson and Bernanke sheepishly explained. "What can we do, what can we do," the campaign wanted to now. "Gather 'bout 700 billion gallons of water and just trust us," they said.

"#$%!," said the campaign manager, who was last seen with a laptop and a browser open to monster.com.

Posted by: caribis | October 2, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious to see how McCain will do in South Carolina. As Chris noted, McCain lost that state in 2000 and it is now a swing state in the 2008 race. The gas crisis in the state can't be helping the GOP and it would seem odd that SC voters would correct their 2000 vote by swinging to McCain this year when the economy is so horrible. The racial factor, of course, is interesting, but the Afro-ethnic vote is huge in SC and I suspect that ultimately, generational voting will trump racial voting, particularly in the South.
Anyone else's thoughts? I mean, real critically analytical thoughts -not Fox and Msnbc thoughts......y'know, real evidence to support conclusions....

Posted by: joneshn | October 2, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Michigan!!!

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 2, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

zouk prevaricates:

McCain doesn't spend YOUR money like Libs. when the battle is clearly lost, you fight in another front. hillary spent all her wad before the day was over. Obama has tried to expand the map. this effort has realized nothing but a mountain of bills. the EC map is the same as it was last time around.

I prefer someone who understands the concept of a budget and doesn't spend donations on Greek columns or snow shovels.

-------------------

LOL. What a load of moose dung!

How easily you forget how McCain recklessly burned through millions in his primary battle...admitting spending went out of control.

Just like Hillary.

Only Barack has run a brilliant campaign, politically and economically.

A symphony rich in talents.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

What are you smoking, K of Z?

I am no fan of unions. Certainly legacy costs such as unlimited free health care for auto retirees is a drain on the Big 3. Honda and Toyota are not non-union in this country, they just don't have as many retirees or as long a history of bad contracts.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

ddawd writes
"Remember, those three states plus all the Kerry states gives Obama 273. If McCain cedes those three, he must hold the remaining Bush states as well as take a Kerry state that is not New Hampshire. Most likely Minnesota or perhaps he sees a reason to go after Pennsylvania."

I remember.

Did you see the latest MN poll? The convention bounce is gone - its back to an 11 point race here. MN always was a pipe-dream pickup for McCain.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 2, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Woo-who! It means David Broder and the City of Birmingham are clueless!

Posted by: SarahBB | October 2, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"I think that I would place the blame with industry rather than government,"

you have a good point. every industry that succombs to union strong arm tactics is in danger of going broke.

this is the same unions that Obama would like to expand in order to make the rest of the economy similar to the auto industry and the airlines. except southwest -- the non-union airlines. except toyota and honda - the non-union automakers.

by gosh, even Libs may have to admit a fact for once.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 2, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"Michigan hasn't voted for an R in at least 4 elections. It was only a battleground state as far as the media is concerned to sell ads.

More breaking news - Mccain expected to lose in DC and Massachusetts."

Says the person who wet his panties over a poll that had New York within 5.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"...find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure."

Kinda late for that, now that the Bush administration has converted the economy into one giant republican failure- don't you think?

Posted by: plaza04433 | October 2, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain got his 84 millions from the US Dept. of Treasury. With the economic downturn, Sen. Obama's camp, relying on donors like you and me, will be hurt. We are in the last days of campaign. This election is not locked in yet. Let's all give Sen. Obama one last push by donating $5, $10,... $50 whatever you can. We must not let our nation to fall into the disastrous hands of McCain. You can skip a cup of coffee, or a movie. Please help yourself (big!) and your country by helping Sen. Obama to win this race.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

Posted by: leiguo1959 | October 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

There are no fiscal conservatives in the Republican party anymore. It's all about religion and social issues related to religion (oh, and protecting us from the evil doers-- the ones outside of government, that is...).

If you want to stop wasteful programs and out of control deficits, vote for the Dems.

Posted by: hacksaw | October 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

If only George HW Bush had pulled out in time, it would have saved all of us.

Posted by: tweldy | October 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...is it the "liberal" MI government or rather the major industry of MI (that would be automobiles) which has failed to meet the needs of consumers by trying to foist large gas guzzling vehicles on a public facing high gas prices and tightening credit.

I don't know about you, but if my economy was based on an industry that was failing to meet its customers' needs, I think that I would place the blame with industry rather than government, wouldn't you?

Posted by: jlaprise | October 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

It means McCain is waiting for an external event, an October surprise, otherwise he knows he has lost. Obama leads in NM, IA, MN, WI, MI, PA, OH, VA & FL. He is competitive in CO, NV and NC and he is tied in MO. Who knows about MT. Even if there are hidden racist responses in the polls, so that a four point lead for a white politician is the same as an eight point lead for Obama, there is no path to victory. Obama is double-digits in PA and McCain has conceded MI. Obama will recapture IA and NM (Gore states Bush won in 2004) which means he doesn't even need OH and FL if he can win CO and VA, despite holding narrow leads in both states.

Posted by: caribis | October 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Do you hear that McCain was complaining this morning "life is not fair" on recent poll results? What a whiner! Can you believe a man with 8 houses and 13 cars complaining "life is not fair"? Can you imagine Obama does that in front of a TV camera?

Up or down, poor or rich, Obama never complained in the race or in his life. That's the president we are looking for. That's the president we deserve.

Posted by: leiguo1959 | October 2, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Nana, nana, hey, hey,

GOODBYE....

Posted by: imright | October 2, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Have they effectively conceded CO & NM? I would think the recent interview with the Register will result in conceding Iowa."

Remember, those three states plus all the Kerry states gives Obama 273. If McCain cedes those three, he must hold the remaining Bush states as well as take a Kerry state that is not New Hampshire. Most likely Minnesota or perhaps he sees a reason to go after Pennsylvania.

Personally, I think he should try and hold Colorado rather than trying to take a Kerry state. The Penn numbers are approaching 10 points for Obama. Minnesota is more doable, but Obama drew a +11 there most recently. It's not a heavily polled state, so maybe McCain has better information. Colorado's most recent poll has Obama +1, so that might be better. Iowa and NM look to be long gone.

I think that is McCain's best strategy. Cede Iowa and New Mexico and hold all other Bush states. That would give McCain a 274-264 victory.

But his margin of error is nil. Losing Nevada would tie it up at 269 which then hands the White House to Obama.

If McCain takes NH, then that ups his victory to 278-260. In that scenario, he can lose Nevada. The loss of any other swing state that is not Nevada hands the victory back to Obama (they are all greater than 9 votes)

So, my advice to McCain: Choose between Colorado or Minnesota (depending on your internal polling) and choose between NH and NV. Then hold on to FL, OH, VA, NC, MO, and IN (in that order) as tight as you can.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 2, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain always reminded people "I was a POW", "I was a POW". That's all he got for building his political career. I am tired of hearing it all the time. We need a stable and intelligent leader at this critical moment of our country, not just a POW.

Posted by: leiguo1959 | October 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah - and Houston has been run by democratic mayors for quite a while, and they seem to do a pretty fair job of it. That's because we don't sit around here and call people names like liberal socialist or facist conservative - it's funny how things work when you stop calling each other names.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain put the last two nails in his political coffin today.
One was voting for a pork and sweetner loaded piece of legislation, the other was pulling out of Michigan.
The anti-pork savior votes yes on pork?!?!
Withdrawing from Michigan admits defeat, and that will translate to a perception of total defeat.

Posted by: uuforyou | October 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for the "October Surprise." McCain and the neoncons have nothing else.

Posted by: osullivanc1 | October 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

billy8

I don't know what they mean, other than we have a Democratic governor. Not a particularly liberal one, either. State spending is DOWN in the last 6 years since Granholm took office, compared to the previous 12 years of Republican control.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

A month ago the McCain campaign was saying that Michigan was win-able thanks to all those Hilary Democrats who were going to vote for McCain instead of Obama.

So what happened?

Was it, like, Sarah Palin?

Posted by: HughBriss | October 2, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

That happen to our so call HERO, no he restreating from Michigan, which state is next maybe Penn.
This sounds like MCCAIN, when he surrender in Viet Nam he raised the white flag, because he did'nt want to get killed by the enemy.
This guy has been running in his Father and Grandfather names, of course the were admirals in the Navy.
MCCain no hero.

Posted by: llevario2 | October 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Zouk - in most cities and states, when taxes are not cut arbitrarily, the fire department and police work pretty darn well, when they are run by the public - Besides, you miss the point of the article - he's not saying that the downturn is the fault of the republicans, but that people are looking away from the republicans for solutions.

Why would you trust anyone who does not believe government works to run government?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

answer - the whole country begins to look like Michigan. If there was ever an example of what liberalism does to a place, Michigan is it.

Please elaborate...

Posted by: billy8 | October 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

States, and the governors of them, have had it rough for the last 8 years. Everyone is doing badly because of Bush and his policies. Instead of pointing out Democratic states in trouble, please show me a Republican state that is doing well (OK, besides Palin's Alaska, which gets all its money from the booming oil business).

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes we are in a so-called "one-state recession" with the highest unemployment in the nation.

aka - lib leadership

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Need more proof. Just look at the Illinois situation. no Rs there to blame. Failing schools, bankrupt pension fund, crime out of control, criminal political system, unions running business to the end of profitability.

WaPo, NYTimes, where is the report on liberal states and their results for the people. talk about what happened to NoLA when the Libs were in charge. discuss the city of Detroit. tell us about NY and other New england tax rates? Report on the Boston endless cost tunnel? find us a government program that works, just one, before you convert the entire economy into a giant liberal failure.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Boy, oh boy did you get it wrong when you said last month:

"The Fix generally avoids bold predictions but here's one we can't resist: Michigan in 2008 will be the Ohio of 2004 or the Florida of 2000. That is, the Wolverine State will be the central battleground in the fight for the White House this fall."

steer clear of those predictions Chris...

Posted by: BritishLiberalDemocrat | October 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"It was only a battleground state as far as the media is concerned to sell ads."

It is one of two Dem states that McCain claimed he could pick up, based largely on prior electoral success there in the 2000 GOP primary. The other, of course, is NH. He may still pick up NH, but its 4 electoral votes only make up for losing New Mexico. He's still down 16 from CO & IA, and facing the potential losses of OH, VA, FL & NC. He may have to play defense in MO & IN.

It seems like one unanticipated consequence of the Palin pick was the need to campaign together. Obama - Biden are doing seperate events & covering twice the territory. Palin, when she's not studying for the debate or exclusive interviews is campaigning with McCain. That may help turnout at McCain events, but doesn't seem to be an effective plan for victory.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Stonecreek, thanx for your comment. I had assumed White retained his popularity in H, since Katrina. So had RiceOwlFan.

What D you see challenging KBH for gov?

[apologies for the threadjack to a previous thread, to all but Stonecreek...]

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Xanadu3:

Michigan, like every other state, has to balance it's budget every year. Unlike the US, except in the 1990s.

There was a modest tax RATE increase in Michigan in recent years (to cover falling revenues) but there was a DECREASE IN SPENDING.

Yes we are in a so-called "one-state recession" with the highest unemployment in the nation. That has everything to do with the plight of the US auto industry, blindly pegging it's future to ever-larger luxury SUVs. And now no one is buying any kind of car because they can't get a loan.

Please don't apply sweeping generalities to specific situations you know nothing about.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

That McCain is on a dangerous trend line, both by national metrics and by the more important electoral vote metrics, is no surprise to me. I have been subscribing (free) for some time to

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

where daily poll results both nationally and state-by-state are graphed. Since 13 Sept there's been almost a straight-line trend from a McCain advantage to an Obama advantage.

What IS suprising is McCain's abandoning of Michigan, where common wisdom would say that many auto and steel workers would be hesitant to vote for a black candidate once they're in the confines of the voting booths.

I guess trumping everything is a drive for dramatic change in the face of drop-offs in auto sales due partly to a scarcity of auto loans and partly to families who are losing jobs generally, and therefore not making commitments to new cars.

Posted by: WaltCulver | October 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

And what happens if McCain/Palin don't win in November?

answer - the whole country begins to look like Michigan. If there was ever an example of what liberalism does to a place, Michigan is it.

but the perps are deemed by the left wing meia to be the ones to clean up the mess.

Frank and dodd are going to fix the economic mess they never saw coming and actually blocked the cure.

Obama is going to tax and spend his way out of a recession.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, bsimon.

As for Michigan not being a battleground, please explain why the candidates were here so much right after the conventions.

Most of the electoral map sites list "tossups" as those polling within 5%. And the fact is, Michigan is moving out of that category.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

McCain crashed and burned his campaign when he pretended to "suspended" his campaign and flew back to Washington where he proceeded to screw up the negotiations that were already going on there.


When the going gets tough, McCain plays the role of crash test dummy and repeatedly rams his "straight-talk express" into a brick wall of stupidity and lies.


McCain isn't a quitter, he's a bad accident waiting to happen.


McCain doesn't have a clue on the economy, but he still wants to "bomb,bomb,bomb Iran" and Palin makes Bush look like a genius We don't need 2 more C students in the Whitehouse. You want another 4 yrs like the last 8?
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

How about if instead of stating ..."Although Democrats have dominated in both presidential and other statewide contests in the Wolverine State over the last few cycles (the Democratic nominee for president has carried Michigan in each of the last four elections), Republicans believed that McCain was the candidate to change that."... you had instead began; ..."BECAUSE Democrats ...".

What if papers across the country had explained the failure of liberal tax and spend policies in Michigan?

What if the media had contrasted Gov. Sarah Palin's successful governorship based on fiscal and ethical responsibility
with the failures in Michigan?

What if the media explained how Sen. McCain co-sponsored legislation that would have prevented the current financial crisis years ago; but was killed by Democrats like Dodd and Obama
who both received large political contributions from Fannie/Freddie?

What if the media explained Sen. Obama's connection to Acorn and their responsibility for the excesses?

And what happens if McCain/Palin don't win in November? How many other states will resemble Michigan?

Posted by: Xanadu3 | October 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

No wonder McCain's been so grumpy lately. All this talk about the alpha-stud losing to the younger guy. No ones laughing at his jokes, no one thinks he's special anymore since he switched over to being 100% Bush (by hiring Bush's slimy campaign team). Even the rich blond babe on his arm is starting to look a bit 'preserved'. I'd be annoyed and cranky too.

Dis you hear him on NPR insisting that Obama really did want to teach 5 yo girls how to use condoms? He was practically snarling. Try to tell him you think picking Palin was a cynical, desperate, reckless and dangerous decision. That's another reason his so ticked off, the gamble failed and it's going to cost him the election.

01/20/09. The End of an Error.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

bgreen,

What are you aiming for? How can you advise voting out every incumbent? The ones who vote FOR and AGAINST the bailout plan? The ones who've been in for 2 years along with those who've been in for 40 years? That's just nonsense.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Michigan hasn't voted for an R in at least 4 elections. It was only a battleground state as far as the media is concerned to sell ads.

More breaking news - Mccain expected to lose in DC and Massachusetts.

alternatively you could shout: Obama wasting his money in GA and AL.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

mikeinmidland asks
"Please list those "several" states that Obama pulled out of. I'm guessing they were very red states."

My notes say NoDak & Alaska. Good guess.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Guess Palin didn't make much of a difference. Perhaps tonight Joe Biden will forget to mention Michigan, as he's never been a governor, nor a mayor.
Actually all Biden has to do is act politely and let her entertain us -- like she can explain how toxic mortgage backed securities could be made available on E-Bay, Big Lots and Overstock.com.
Do us all a favor -- for the next three election cycles, become nonpartisan and vote and work against every incumbent you can. Only by demonstrating that we are not controlled by the Dems or Repubs can we take our country away from the corporations and professional politician.
VOTE AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT YOU CAN! It will make a huge difference.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Guess Palin didn't make much of a difference. Perhaps tonight Joe Biden will forget to mention Michigan, as he's never been a governor, nor a mayor.
Actually all Biden has to do is act politely and let her entertain us -- like she can explain how toxic mortgage backed securities could be made available on E-Bay, Big Lots and Overstock.com.
Do us all a favor -- for the next three election cycles, become nonpartisan and vote and work against every incumbent you can. Only by demonstrating that we are not controlled by the Dems or Repubs can we take our country away from the corporations and professional politician.
VOTE AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT YOU CAN! It will make a huge difference.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Mark_in_austin:

Gov Goodhair was counting on a Repub admininstration to give him a "position", something like Secretary of Agriculture or Ambassador to Lichtenstein, which would provide him a relatively gracious exit from his current situation. He is held in increasing contemp by a majority of citizens and a plurality of Republicans. The coming legislative session is looking like a Donnybrooke for him. I don't think KBH would have much trouble knocking him off in the primary. The most likely scenario is for them to try to swap offices.

Bill White ain't all that popular in Houston, and is unknown in the rest of the state. His stint as State Democratic chair was distinguished only by how far the party sank during his tenure. Poor fella's not that pretty, either. I don't look for him to be a factor, other than perhaps in his own mind.

Posted by: Stonecreek | October 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Not much of a meaningful change. Michigan hasn't been in play for a while now and this move means that McCain consolidates his resources a little more means that he will be that much more competitive in whatever states he decides to go for.

As an Obama fan, I'm glad that Michigan seems to be wrapped up, but I'm sorry to see that McCain is no longer spending his very limited resources there.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

Please list those "several" states that Obama pulled out of. I'm guessing they were very red states. Michigan is (was) a battleground state. That's the difference.

(as if you didn't know)

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"That would keep off the dull times between music and film festivals in Austin."

Some friends are/were down for ACL, the love it down there.

If/as the polls show widening gaps, I expect we'll see Obama returning to the '50 state strategy'. Perhaps not to Alaska, but I could see visits to states where he might help long-shot congressional races - Noriega in TX, Musgrove in MS.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Stonecreek,

If you check the link, that site has many other polls besides the most recent 5 Chris listed. Those are bringing up the average.

As the other polls are updated, the average will presumably continue to move up.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

WILL AN ELECTION DECIDE WHO'S IN POWER?

McCain's Michigan pullout, only a month before election day, means that those who vehemently oppose the very concept of an Obama presidency may resort to other means in a desperate campaign aimed at perpetuating their hold on power.

Economic tumult may facilitate nefarious, anti-Democratic schemes that already may be in play.

Paranoid, or prescient? For the sake of the republic, I'd accept the former, rather than have to live under an iron yoke if the latter turns out to be prophetic.

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't spend YOUR money like Libs. when the battle is clearly lost, you fight in another front. hillary spent all her wad before the day was over. Obama has tried to expand the map. this effort has realized nothing but a mountain of bills. the EC map is the same as it was last time around.

I prefer someone who understands the concept of a budget and doesn't spend donations on Greek columns or snow shovels.

when Obama abandoned several states last week, no one blinked.

why?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain is in Missouri later this week. Missouri! It's October 2, and he's in Missouri! Every second he's playing defense in Missouri is one second he's not on offense in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, etc. This is far from over, but it looks bad to people in places like PA to just tap out like this.

Posted by: cao091402 | October 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama can paint McLame into a sort of political corner. By opening up the number of states he, Obama, contests he forces McLame to campaign only in the reddest of the red GOP states, which I don't think is enough to get to 270ev.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | October 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I voted for McCain in the Michigan primary. In 2000, against GWB, that is. This time around I voted "uncommitted" on the Democratic ticket.

It's sad, really, that Michigan won't be a battleground state. We're so used to the attention.

It's OK, though. It will be nice to have a president who gets over 350 in the electoral college, and a clear majority of the popular vote for a change.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | October 2, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

By the way Chris, seven + five + six + nine + thirteen = 40, divided by five = 8 points average advantage to Obama. How is this equal to 48-44?

Posted by: Stonecreek | October 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Stonecreek, are you not in TX? If you are, take a look at the Governor thread and comment about what I and RiceOwlFan posted, please.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Two states that McCain thought he would never have to defend are Indiana and North Carolina.

Now Obama is ahead in various polls in North Carolina (including Rasmussen) and is close in Indiana.

Posted by: maritza1 | October 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see them move their operations into Alaska. They have a much better chance there of fending off the landslide that is coming down the track.

Posted by: ldsrapha | October 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Does BHO concentrate in the states you listed, bsimon, or can he afford to think outside the box and visit MT, GA, and [dare I say it] TX?

Especially in GA, appearances by BHO would help Ds down ticket. Especially in MT, an appearance by BHO might actually put MT back into play [Alan in Missoula?].

Why TX, you say?

That would keep off the dull times between music and film festivals in Austin.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The Republican presidential campaign is rapidly morphing into the Republican "salvage what Congressional seats you can" campaign. Watch for the 84MM of federal election money to be concentrated in the states where it is most likely to make the difference in Republican Senate or House seats, not necessarily where it makes the most sense in terms of electoral votes.

Posted by: Stonecreek | October 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

This news, along with the fact that new polls have shown Obama taking leads in previous tossups Ohio, Virginia, and Florida, and widening his leads in states like Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Wisconsin which are still battleground but were previously leaning barely to Obama, and polls in North Carolina, Indiana and Missouri---states that are absolute must-wins for McCain--tightening into the tossup category is bad for McCain's chances.

If entering the final two weeks---as of 10/22---polls are still showing North Carolina, Indiana and Missouri as dead-even tossups, McCain is a goner. I think the focus in state polls should be on Ohio and Florida, which McCain needs in order to win, and those normally Republican states like NC, IN, and MO that McCain should win comfortably. This could wind up being an Electoral Vote blowout along the magnitude of 340-360 EV's going Democratic. Similar to 1992 and 1996.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the McCain campaign is narrowing its offense to WI, PA & NH. They're playing defense in OH, VA, NC, FL. Have they effectively conceded CO & NM? I would think the recent interview with the Register will result in conceding Iowa.

This week's poll in MN basically removes it from contention. I expect WI to move in that direction, though Obama's appearance there yesterday (La Cross) implies they are still treating it as a toss-up.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

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