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McCain v. Tancredo on Immigration

After Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) decried the platitudes and happy talk regarding illegal immigration, moderator Chris Matthews asked whether any of the other candidates wanted to take issue with Tancredo's stance.

McCain offered his thoughts, repeatedly emphasizing that he was working with President Bush and Congressional leaders to produce a "comprehensive" plan.

"The status quo is not acceptable," said McCain -- adding that illegal immigration is "an important and compelling" issue.

On the issue, McCain is casting himself as ready to lead. He knows that a comprehensive plan is not popular with the Republican base but is hoping that a bit of "straight talk" will remind voters of his maverick side.

McCain was also asked if as president he would be comfortable with Tancredo heading the immigration service. McCain smiled and said, "In a word, no."

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 3, 2007; 9:01 PM ET
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To Ted,
Iam a die hard republican and I have never agree with anything you have done in the past. I truly believe this work being done on immigration is your best work ever.
You will put 20 Million people to paying taxes. These people work hard and will put in 1000 times more then they take out. Work hard and understand you are doing the right thing.

Posted by: Clark Coleman | May 18, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Remember that there is line that must be observed. And millions of applicants are doing it the right and legal way. Why can't others do the same? The individual or group that must be given priority are people who are next in line, and remaining USAFFE veterans and their families up to their grandson(s)/granddaughter(s). They should be given the full veteran benefits now. We already recognize the Tuskegee Airmen service during World War II, why can't we recognize the services of the remaining USAFFE veterans? Correct the mistake done last 1946.

Posted by: History Professor | May 7, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

continuation Ted .....about " If there is anyone who at some point in their life, hasn't done something that is unlawful or illegal let him own up? If there be, then certainly, I will support the mass deportation of all illegals? You know Ted there are many laws involve like example, civil laws, criminal laws, immigration laws and others. But I am reacting only to your comments only to share the truth and to offer clarification to issues and concerns to avoid further confusion. Most of the issues and concerns you raised are bunch of propaganda issues to misled, misinform, miseducate the public who are not properly informed or educated. Violators raise so many issues that are irrelevant to the real issue which is illegals violated our US immigration laws. They try to circumvent the real issue. They try to win your emotions and weakness to be compassionate up to the point of using religion. There are even Cardinals, Bishops, Pastors, Reverends, Priests who sided with illegals, but when you ask them why would you not build (in there country of origin) and open your School free of tuition fee for there education (young and adult classes), free meals and drinks for the children/adults, they are numb and speechless. They don't answer your question. They avoid the topic to be discussed. The bottom point is if the money to be spend will come from US taxpayers who is not aware or aware yet doesn't complain, or aware but doesn't know where to complain, its okay. But if the money that will be spent will come from there pocket of funds, they are numb or avoid the issue. Remember amnesty was already given to violators of our US immigration laws last 1986. Did it corrected something? NO!!!!!!! Don't be fooled by them. You give your finger, they ask for more, your hand. Not only your left hand but both hands. All I can say is that we must support our ICE agents, US Border Patrol agents, Police, Immigration Judges who are doing there job well. But to those who are in connivance, cohort, cuddlers of illegals, report and expose them to public so that the public may know. Again on July 4, 2007 conduct walk/march for law and order in your respective places. Be proud to be law abiding US citizen and legal resident of these great country. And before I end my comments, you might not believe this but I haven't done anything illegal in my life just like many other law abiding US citizens and legal residents. Maybe or perhaps because we were raised by our responsible parents the right way.

Posted by: History Professor | May 7, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

continuation..... about "If god who owns all these lands and created them can pardon even the worst criminals, shall we not forgive illegals?" Your touching religion here in a way, but remember my son there is a separation of Church and State. Church laws and State laws are different. Allow me to put your argument into a scenario my son. For example we are in line waiting for our turn to proceed to board on a plane going to Holy Land, and we checked in early to be in front of the line, have been waiting for more than a hour. I'm number (1) one in line and you are, lets say number (22) twenty two. You know for the fact that there is a line that must be observed and the person behind me number (2) two knows it also up to number (21) twenty one yet we let other people who just arrived for whatever reason/s, to came in (sneak) and break the line how would you feel? Worse part is all passengers who would board the plane are all Christians who were taught in Catholic, Methodist, Lutherans, Baptist Schools to obey School rules, regulations, policies, and directives, or else face the consequences of your actions (being reprimanded, detention, or worse expelled from School). Normally, the right approach is to call their attention and inform them that there is a line that must be observed. Ignorance is not an excuse. Now inspite being informed, they still insist to break (sneak in) the line, you call the attention of the plane staff and inform them. Other scenario might be the plane staff might notice the commotion and would personally call the attention of the individual or group who are breaking the line. The problem with illegals is they know that they violated our US immigration laws even mocked us like in rallies on their T-shirt that reads "I'M ILLEGAL, SO WHAT" yet have the guts to demand being legalized inspite committing and violating our US immigration laws. We are a "NATION OF LAWS" remember that. If we start accomodating the "PADRINO SYSTEM" our forefathers fight to creat these great country would just break into chaos and anarchy being committed by lawbreakers. THEY SHOULD OBEY, RESPECT, AND FOLLOW OUR LAWS.

Posted by: History Professor | May 7, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Ted, allow me to react again to your comments mentioned above,that " Also you are not the only one knows US history, many in this forum have taken that class. It has is quite clear that all these States in question were truely Mexican territory". What is your basis Ted? Can I asked you Ted? Are you a US citizen or a legal resident with Mexican heritage? Because I'm confuse about your knowledge in US history. Either your brain washed, misled, misinformed, or was just absent when the discussion on these sensitive issue where discussed in your classroom. Allow me to introduce myself to you Ted or rather my son? Because I'm that old enough I guess that I can call you also a son or my son. I'm 87 years old, whose mother came from the Great Nation tribe of Miwok Indians (Native American), and my father came from the Great Nation tribe of Wailaki Indians (Native American). I was contacted by a former student of mine several years ago who is a practicing trial lawyer right now. I believe she even reacted to your comments previously, under Navajo_NativeAmerican whose both parents came from the Great Nation tribe of Navajo. You see, prior the arrival of the first Christian Europeans, who are Spaniards together with Portugese volunteer sailors who were serving under the King of Spain we own these great land. These are our ancestral lands. In California presently called we have several tribes like Kato Indian tribe, Maidu Indian tribe, Miwok Indian tribe, Pomo Indian tribe, Wailaki Indian tribe, Wintun Indian tribe, Yokuts Indian tribe, and the Yuki Indian tribe. We were Christianized and eventually our ancestral lands were incorporated as part of the Spanish Empire. Just like other ancestral (Arizona, New Mexico, Texas) lands of other Native American who are our brother to name a few like the Apache Indian tribe, Navajo Indian tribe, Mohave Indian tribe and others. Just like the present Mexico name given by Spanish colonizers they have also natives there who already live there. Take note, Mexico was just considered before as a province of Spain under the Spanish Empire. But when the Spanish Empire starts to collapse due to in fighting (greed for power and wealth) among head of its new territories several colonies decided to secede, and declared independence just like what USA did to Great Britain. You might be referring because Spanish empire extends to our great ancestral lands when Mexico declares independence, Mexico automatically must claim rights also to our ancestral lands? No, because that's the reason we sided with the Americans against Mexico, because we don't want to be part of the Mexico who declared independence from Spain. I hope these enlighten you my son.

Posted by: History Professor | May 7, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. I meant "That they cause and have caused" .......

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

All I know is what I feel in my heart and soul. If these illegals are graned yet another amnesty, or path to citizenship, or a slap on the wrist for breaking our laws, violating our soverignty, and for all the c-r-a-p that cause and have caused, then all the Americans that have given the ultimate sacrafice in all our wars, and all the Police Officers that have paid the ultimate price for enforcing our laws will have been for absolutely nothing. That would be a tragic waste beyond words or expression.

Posted by: Bill | May 6, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

To History Professor: Thank You. I enjoy seeing a dialogue established.

Posted by: Bill | May 6, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

To Ted: I understand your point. I do. Thanks for taking the time. Bill

Posted by: Bill | May 6, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

To Maggie: Thank you. I try to do all I can, and I know I'm not alone or disgusted. Every day I write, call, fax and email my representatives, senator, congresswoman, and every day I get an instantaneous computer generated "canned" reply. If I do receive the courtesy of a phone call, it's from some obscure functionary. I have set up a direct deduction from my checking account to Tancredo For President.I've made numerous calls to ICE to report hiring of illegals. I have a bumpersticker that p***es people off. It say's "I'm Legal. Are YOU?" I'm doing all I can. Thank you for your eloquent post. Respectfully, Bill

Posted by: Bill | May 6, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes I have. I stole a baseball when I was 13, got caught and got my keester whipped. I never did it again. Ocassionally, I'll find I Inadvertently take a pen home with me from work, but I usually try and put it back the next day. I sometimes drive too fast on the interstate, and haven't gotten caught yet. But when I do, I'll know I had it coming.

Posted by: Bill | May 6, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the words ommitted in my previous posting. I have a question for everyone in this forum. If there is anyone who at some point in their life, hasn't done something that is unlawful or illegal let him own up ? If there be, then certainly, I will support the mass deportation of all illegals.
Thanks

Posted by: Ted | May 6, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

History professor, thanks for the correction. But you are simply reciting history from a westerners view. You very simply go to Mexico and hear a different version of what you call the facts. You very know that whoever writes history has some bias in it. So everyone has their own version of the facts.
Also, you are not the only one knows US history, many in this forum have taken that class. It has is quite clear that all these states in question were truely Mexican territory. Besides when the US attacked and seized Mexico city, why didn't they annex it ? racism. Please lets be objective about our history which has some not too good elements in them. But right now we are faced with 12 million illegals, all the measures you brought in here will certainly not work. We do not have the man power to do that.
Some people even go as far as, making race an issues in this immigration debate. Human beings, we are so evil. God gave land and laws to men. When we all sin, God pardons us or doesn't he ?? if God who owns all these lands and created them can pardon even the worst criminals, shall we not forgive illegals ??

Posted by: Ted | May 6, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

continuation ..... with regards to your comment of Mexicans actually believe that California, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona were stolen from them. Again for your clarification and to other readers. The said abovementioned US States was in no way a part of Mexico, because it was only when the Spanish Conquitadores expansion to the Western Hemisphere (Americas "North America, Central America, and South America) it became under the Spanish empire. They expand their land grabbing in the name of the King of Spain. But we all know that there are Natives already here who have form of government. The Natives are the true owners of there ancestral lands. The Spanish Empire collapse so former colonies who are under the Spanish rule before formed there own government (seceded), which Mexico is one. Untold stories were done to the Natives by Spaniards and so the Anglo-Saxon. But as years go by the Natives (now called Native American) decided and preferred to be part of USA than be part of Mexico. The issue about these US States were stolen from Mexico are just a bunch of propaganda issue to circumvent the real issue which is THEY VIOLATED OUR US IMMIGRATION LAWS WHICH THEY SHOULD RESPECT AND OBEY. I suggest for all law abiding US citizens and legal resident to start putting our American flags in our yard, doors, cars and encourage your fellow Americans to go out these coming 4th of July 2007 and show your disappointment with our Federal and Local Government by conducting a "walk/march for law and order" in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Washington D.C., Phoenix, Houston and other key cities. Penalize all employers who hire illegals. Penalize who harbor and aide illegals. Deport them all!!!!!!!!

Posted by: History Professor | May 6, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Ted, in your reaction to Bill, which you stated it is quite true that terrorism has its roots in the Crusades "not crasades how you spelled it" that took place a thousand years ago. I am talking about the clash between the East and the West. In Muslim countries tales of invading European armies are told to youngest generations as though it happened yesterday. This is one of the underlying reasons why they believe what they do. Reference your third sentence, in Muslim countries tales of invading European armies are told to youngest generation... and so forth. Allow me to correct you on that matter, the Crusaders which came from Christian Europe are the remaining force to seek help at that time, because Christians who were born and resides in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq (Mesopotamia), Iran (Persia), Egypt, Turkey (Byzantine) were killed in action, executed (beheaded), or converted to Islam due to intimidation, remember "convert infidel or die". It is the Muslim invaders actually who invaded this countries, burn down Churches, Synagogues, and other House of worship of other faith who believe in Greek gods, the Pharoahs of Egypt, and others. Christian from Europe upon hearing the news that the Holy Land where Jesus Christ was born fell into Muslim invaders offered their services and joined the Crusaders to try to retake it. There were years that we were able to retake it and hold, but due to in fighting among Kings, Baron, Duke, Lord and specially traitors (enemies within) that the countries mentioned above became predominantly Muslim. But the effective way they won the battle is thru having many children thereby changing the majority rule thru population. These countries who opened there arms to be compassionate, and good samaritan, eventually fall into these kind of non military approach by winning a war without firing a shot.

Posted by: History Professor | May 6, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your comments, Bill.

"If anything even remotely resembling "Amnesty" and this assanine "Path to Citizenship" becomes a reality this time around, there will be hell to pay. This is the USA and she's worth fighting for"(Bill)

What are we doing to prevent such legislation from being passed? Do we care enough to rise up together and voice our feelings and positions to let those government officials know the will of the American citizen? Are we writing and calling our elected officials? Why are we not in the streets protesting the protests? I feel I need to DO more than listen to opinions and blog comments. Does anyone know of organized associations that one can participate with in some way? Where is the information on what I, as an individual can do? How does one find out if people you consider hiring on a private level(housekeeping, babysitters, lawn care, painters and construction, handymen, etc) are legal residents.

I believe the problem of illegal aliens is a huge and complicated problem involving not only immigration policies, but national security and trade policies, all of which need to be reconsidered and changed. FYI, I have long considered myself a Democrat/Independent however: This issue is as important to me as Iraq! I really disagree with illegal aliens having the right to assemble and protest, marching down major thoroughfares that have been closed for them, chanting, "Whose streets are these? OUR streets!" I taped signs in my windows protesting illegals and no amnesty, and two guys in that rally were about to throw something at my window if a cop had not stopped them. I have a lot of opinions on how we got here; what are we and what can we do to change direction? How can we "Take Action"?

Posted by: Maggie | May 6, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Ted - Thanks for the comment. Bill

Posted by: Bill | May 6, 2007 7:30 AM | Report abuse

cont'd - And then were treated to the disgusting spectacle of these hundreds of thousands of illegals marching in the streets demanding "Amnesty" and "rights". It is the epitome of hubris and arrogance. Morale among citizens is low. People are angry and frustrated. You expect your politicians and the Federal Government to step up to the plate and put an end to this, but they don't/ Instead, they want to shove another amnesty down our throats without actually calling it an amnesty. Then you read and hear that Hispanic/Latino groups are "Angry" at the immigration raids, and our liberal broadcast and print media will openly condemn immigration raids, and do another "human interest" story about how ICE separated their family, making sure to zoom-in on Maria crying as she wonders what she will do now because her husband is in federal custody and will be deported. ICE is doing their job, and I wish they did more of it. The more raids, the more arrests, the more deportations, the better. Then the ACLU has to get involved and do what they do best: Instigate and provoke. No wonder the overwhelming majority of citizens are so angered and disillusioned. We're being disowned, ignored and disinfranchized by our own government and politicians who took a solemn oath to protect the US and her citizens. They're doing the exact opposite. If anything even remotely resembling "Amnesty" and this assanine "Path to Citizenship" becomes a reality this time around, there will be hell to pay. This is the USA and she's worth fighting for. She will not be surrendered or dictated to by 20 million illegal, self-righteous, pompous, arrogant, functionally illiterate, uneducated itinerants. Thank You. I had to get this off my chest.

Posted by: Bill | May 6, 2007 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I've said this before, and it bears repeating: This is a Coup 'd Etat against the USA by Mexico. Instead of guns, bullets and tanks, they're using their reproductive organs to flood the United States with "Anchor Babies" who -- by virtue of a glitch/loophole in the 14th ammendment -- grants them automatic/instant citizenship. They make no effort to conceal their "reconquista" agenda, and their claim to "Aztlan" which is nothing more than a myth. These people "demand" Amnesty so that they can
expeditiously change the politics of the USA to benefit Mexico, cause the restructuring of representative/congressional seats, and become 12 to 20 million new voters capable of swaying ANY election in their favor. Look at whats already happening: They are already literally getting away with murder of US citizens to the tune of 40,000 since 9/11 (Drunk driving accidents by illegals with an extensive DUI history, homicide, etc). There exists a deep division in this country, and politicians are terrified to address illegal immigration for fear of offending a new bloc of voters that they're slobbering and wetting their lips over. Mexican Troops have, since 1997 made over 216 armed incursions onto US Soil. This country is inundated and flooded with illegals with Mexico's cooperation, knowledge and blessings. The middle class is expected to support them and our anchors. Illegals are able to avail themselves to benefits that US Citizens (Naturalized or born here) can't even begin to access. In California (Absolute "ground Zero" in this invasion), english is all but gone. Cities/counties and Towns are going bankrupt to comply with federal policy to support and provide for illegals, whose only mission in life is to irresponsibly reproduce, drain the system, break the backs of the middle class, stall wages, and force hospital and E/R closures because they won't pay their medical/maternity bills while collectively sending upward of 30 BILLION US DOLLARS per annum back to MEXICO!

Posted by: Bill | May 6, 2007 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Bill, it is quite true that terrorism has its roots in the crasades that took place a thousand years ago. I am talking about the clash between the East and the West. In muslim countries tales of invading European armies are told to younger generations as though it happened yesterday. This is one of the underlying reasons why they believe what they do. The same is true of the present situation, illegal immigration. You view history from a one sided pespective, whearas Mexicans don't and certain many in this world don't.
Mexicans actually believe that California, Texas, NM and AZ were stolen from them. I do not support this view but thats what they believe and hence they think they are entitled to some compensation through legalization. When looking at issues like this, I think we have to look at both sides of the equation before making decisions. This is why I believe the war in Iraq, was mis-calculated. We thought they were going to embrace us as liberators, it turns out they don't. They view us as infidel occupiers of their land, sad enough but this is true.
I am a Patriot who is simply been objective.For if we do not look at these issues from both sides of the coin, before making informed decisions, we risk making things worse for ourselves and Children.
thanks

Posted by: Ted | May 6, 2007 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Keep up the good comments Bill. Your a true American like others who posted their comments with good observation.

Posted by: John Gavernburg | May 6, 2007 12:50 AM | Report abuse

For Chris Matthews the moderator of that show, your a disgrace and a disappointment to viewers like us. Most of your questions and that guy (seated in the chair facing the computer monitor) I think from Politico.com questions are a bunch of B.S.!!!!!!!! Take my advise next time get one of these following individuals herein below, Cisco, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Mike Gallagher from 560 WIND, Jerry Agar from WLS 890 AM, or Eileen Byrne. Obviously the Republican Candidates for President were set up to look that way on television. There are many issues to be asked like, where they stand on illegal immigration? The Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean issue. The Deputy Sheriff Gil Hernandez issue? The high expenditures of the present government. The imminent domain issue. The issue of Anchor Babies wherein the Constitution must be amended. Armoring of our combat vehicles deployed in war zones. Problems of Veterans in receiving their benefits. Recognizing the remaining USAFFE veterans and their family to migrat immediately to our country and extend full equity benefits like our veterans.... and others.

Posted by: MSNBC.com viewer | May 6, 2007 12:46 AM | Report abuse

What in the world LAPD now is being investigated for? You know we Los Angeles resident/s are sick and tired of these violators and there cuddlers/supporters who give us headaches due to traffic, trash, noise that they are creating in our community and city. Personally, I will join hand in hand with my fellow residents to get back our community and city from these abusive, demanding, violators of our US immigration laws. These happen due to dereliction of duty of several in connivance of a person in authority who insist of giving path to citizenship these millions of illegals, undocumented, unauthorized foreign nationals, overstaying violators of our US immigration laws. You want mass rally against mass rally like what is happening in Lebanon, Ukraine, Turkey and others, so be it.

Posted by: LosAngeles_Resident | May 6, 2007 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Ted, give that tired, stale diatribe about native americans a rest. It's been used to death and its gotten real old and irrelavant. This is 2007. We're talking about the illegals today. Seems thats all some people can do is bring up the Native Americans and the Europeans 2 hundred years ago. Enough already. Stick with the current problem.

Posted by: Bill | May 5, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Why is the Federal Government investigating the Los Angels Police Dept for controlling the mass protest by illegal aliens, and not checking these people at the march immigration status?
It would be too bad if these illegal aliens was to riot and burn the so called "sanctuary cities" to the ground.

Posted by: Charlie Henderson | May 5, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

People acting like hysterical, spoiled rotten little children "demanding" amnesty and "rights".They're lucky we've been as tolerant and generous as we have. Do they show any appreciation or gratitude to America? Not at all. In their mindset, they are the only true owners of this continent, that we "stole" it from them, and they are "entitled." They want what they want, and believe what they have been brainwashed to believe in their schools. They care nothing about applying for citizenship or complying with our immigration laws. They want it now. They want shortcuts and special handling. They think they're "special." From what I've seen, they're nothing more than uneducated, functionally illiterate,selfish ungrateful,arrogant, unappreciative sawed-off breeding machines.

Posted by: Bill | May 5, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Cont'd - There is this axiom that goes "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." That applies with this illegal immigration problem. 21 years ago, blanket amnesty was given to 4 million illegals already here. Along with it came the promise of enhanced/vigorous border enforcement and immigration policies. We got the 4 million illegals, but the border & immigration policy enforcement never materialized beyond cavalier efforts. A second amnesty will only compound this problem, and this time allow 12 to 20 million illegals and their families. You don't solve an immigration crisis by giving citizenship away to people who demand rights, hurl such epithets that Europeans are all trespassers and should go back to Europe, or proclaiming that they are "the only true owners of this continent", and who have no business being here illegally in the first place. If you give something away, it is seldom appreciated and taken for granted. If you have to earn something, you will appreciate it and not take it for granted. These illegals can "talk the talk", but they won't "walk the walk". They want it handed to them on a silver platter, and that just doesn't fly. It starts a precedent that we will as a nation ever be able to undo, and shows the rest of the world that we aren't serious about our soverignty and laws, and that we will reward those who break the law and snub their noses at our immigration laws and soverignty. As I said, they want it? Than earn it. Demonstrate to us you're willing to put in the work and make the sacrafices neccessary to legally be here. Wre didn't invite you, and your welcome is real thin right about now. You brought this on yourselves, so don't blame the USA or compare us to Nazi's. It's been done to death and we're collectively tired of hearing it.

Posted by: Bill | May 5, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I apologize for neglecting to put my name on the previous post.

Posted by: Bill | May 5, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I think an equitable solution would be this: Give all illegal aliens who clandestinely entered this country illegally 30 days to get their affairs in order. At the end of the 30 day "grace" period, they are return to their respective countries of birth-citizenship. They will remain in their native country for not less than a year before implementing the neccessary paperwork to re-enter the USA legally. In that year they shall be expected to learn enough english to at least have some command of the language. They shall submit themselves to thorough background and medical checks/examinations so we know something of their character and if whether or not they will be bringing a transmitable disease into the U.S.- if it is determined that you failed to leave when directed to do so, you shall have compromised and forfeited any hope of returning to the United States or applying for citizenship. You shall be expected to surrender Mexican citizenship, or citizenship tof whatever country you are immigrating legally from. You shall have a sponsor here in the U.S. Once all conditions have been satisfied, and you pass and become legal citizens of the United States; then welcome aboard. Nobody from anywhere has a "right" or "entitlement" to simply waltz into the United States whenever they feel like it. Nobody has a right to believe themselves better than those trying and waiting to enter here legally. There shall be no shortcuts. If you want U.S. citizenship so badly, then you'll have to earn it. We're finished with trivializing citizenship.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The illegal immigration problem is serious, and whatever solution is reached by our so-called "leaders", it won't please everybody. This current breed of illegals is different than those of the 60's and 70's who came here, kept quiet, and did their best to assimilate with the rest of us. Now we've got 12 to 20 million plus illegals with an attitude and a belief that THEY own this continent, and that ALL Europeans are trespassers here. I'm concerned that feelings/emotions are so charged on both sides that anything remotely resembling yet another amnesty will result in an armed revolution by "we the people". If "amnesty" isn't granted, the illegals will live up to their threats of total anarchy (There are now enough of them to do it, too) and "burn L.A.". Mexico seems complacent and complicit in this regard, too. Mexico doesn't care. This may be Mexico's secret agenda. I fear this will get real ugly. Who would have thought that a country as impotent as Mexico could tear this country apart and bring it to its knees? What a shame.

Posted by: Bill | May 5, 2007 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Bill are you kidding me? Check this out.
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/deny.tes.31.htm
It's very clear about the citizenship issue.

Posted by: White American | May 4, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Those that claim that children born to illegal aliens aren't U.S. citizens are wishful thinking. The law on that issue is very clear, and until, unless it's changed it will continue to be. You know Legal is Legal.

Posted by: White American | May 4, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. I meant "To Terry" regarding the above post.

Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

To Eerry - You are absolutelt 100% correct. The 14th ammendment was promulgated and enacted to address the issue of slaves and their children following the emancipation proclamation wel over 100 years ago. It wasn't intended to address nor grant carte blance citizenship to hoardes of illegals spitting out kids here in hopes it will cement the parents to the US. The 14th ammendment hasn't been applicable or necessary for a good number of years, and should be repealled and done away with. Retroactively. This is the only country that allows illegals to use an obsolete ammendment, and twist both its wording and intent in order to grant citizenship of babies to illegal aliens. It's woefully assanine. The child of illegal aliens is a citizen of the mothers' country. Not here.

Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

To Real McCoy- Are you actually serious? Of course we can deport 12 million + illegal foreign nationals. It's amazing that someone will equate deporting illegal aliens/trespassers/squatters with the Nazi's. There's a hell of a difference between deporting illegals who don't belong here and attempting to eradicate/exterminate an entire race. How is deportation and genocide even remotely similar? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The American born children of illlegals are NOT American citizens. There is documentation as to the intentions of the authors of the 14th Amendment. Congress and the black robed shysters refuse to enforce the intent.....

Posted by: terry | May 4, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I hope Tancredo wins the nomination. Thats not going to happen, but if there is one thing he's doing is forcing other candidates to address the issue, as well as make it known that the overwhelming majority of people do not see any form of "amnesty" or a path to citizenship as an equitable or viable solution. 21 years ago, President Reagan gave amnesty to -- at that time -- the 4 million illegal foreign nationals here. Along with it came a promise to rigorously enforce border security. 21 years later, what do we have? 12 to 20 million illegal foreign nationals, a fragmented and broken border, cavalier border / immigration enforcement, and hundreds of thousands of illegals collectively marching in the streets demanding "Amnesty", proclaiming "si se puede" and "we are America", as well as overcrowded prisons, an overcrowded public school system that is in the tank, and rampant identity theft, Section 8, WIC, Food Stamp, medical/maternity etc. benefits that are bankrupting states and destroying the middle class. Third world diseases that we all but erradicated years ago are on the rise. Another "amesty" will solve this? It will only continue to compound the problem. What is needed is to terminate all benefits, fine, seize and jail employers who hire illegals, and generally take away the gravy-train that attracts illegals. If there are no benefits here, or no employment here, then the things they sneak in here for, or overstay their visa's for, or ignore Federal Deportation Orders for will end, and there will be no reason to sneak into the USa anymore. They will self-deport. Perhaps then thay'll have no choice but to force improvements in Mexico to their benefit.

Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Joe - with all due respects, you allege you are a Police Officer? How many reports do you write that get kicked back for spelling? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but, damn. I had to read your post twice, and still I don't I fully understand what you are trying to say.

Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

My sense is that most of us think that illegal immigration is wrong and that it is a complex problem.

The border states, like mine, feel neglected by the Feds and left to fend for themselves. We want all Americans to commit to paying the taxes necessary to building a very large Border Patrol and Customs Service, so that it is not on backs of local Sheriffs to practice international policy.

It seems to me that eventually finding the millions of illegal aliens among us will require the issuing of national ID cards, tough penalties for employers, a budget for flying more than 1000 persons each day to far away airports, and time and patience.

I lean toward all of the above, because I have not seen any other pragmatic approach offered for identifying and deporting illegals.

Any ideas about how we can find and deport 12-20m folks without great cost in dollars and time are welcome by me, but please do not respond by saying we just need to make a path to citizenship for illegals. Yes, we could do that, but Reagan did that once before, and unless you have a vested interest in maintaining a shadow class of underpaid labor [or you favorably envision the USA as the ultimate destination for the entire Third World] you cannot possibly think it worked.

Posted by: Mark in Austin | May 4, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

illegal aliens are 80% mexican and =metizo+european mix...they speak spanish which is a european language! yet they yell for american citizens of european ancestry to go back to europe. americans mostly speak englsh=a european language! law abiding americans are sick of the 3,000 tons of pot, 2,000 tons of cocaine annually crossing mexican border into u.s. (also) i see thousands of very light skinned mexicans and latinos in the marches; so how dare they continue pursueing the race card all the time! with groups like la raza=brown supremicists the latino version of kkk how dare they try the race card!! when is enough enough...i say 15-30 million illegals from china, korea, mexico, honduras, cuba, el salvador, ireland and russia ect...."is enough" !! and is actual too much! enforce current immigration law. fine employers and put a bounty on every illegal alien! (we have tip hotlines that pay for turning in criminals) us the same thing to turn in illegals.....almost every illegal is; driving illegally and uninsured, stealing hospital services they often can but wont pay for, and illegal getting welfare, food stamps and public education for their kids!.....where is the compassion for mexican citizens by the mexican gov't who owns pemex and has a 20 billion dollar tourist industry? 98% of latin america and mexico is catholic; why does the church not call for some compassion+charity on south side our u.s./mexican border!

Posted by: bill | May 4, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

To Ted,

You also mentioned in your 7th and 8th sentence " I have read many of your comments and all I see is complaints and not solutions to the problem. No one should run from this issue that faces us all, complaining doesn't help either". I don't know what higher education did you finished, because if you will read again my comments, I am not complaining but rather reacting only to your first comments. In fact, I shared the existing laws, and repercussion that applies when you violated our US immigration laws. You raised the issue humanely, yes the humane way is to advise them to use the voluntary departure procedures which is open to all violators. But if they insist to be stubborn, the law states them to be deported. You also raised punishing them by making them pay heavy fines for their actions and going to the extreme end of the line, let me ask you these question? If million of applicants can wait for their turn and do it the "legal way", why can't others do the same? Why? Are you trying to tell me that those violators of our US immigration laws are "SACRED COWS, UNTOUCHABLES or worse EXCEPTED"? Nobody is stopping them to come here and seek the American Dream but do it the "RIGHT and LEGAL WAY". The people who should be given priority to come here are the people who are next in line.

Posted by: Navajo_NativeAmerican | May 4, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

To Ted,

You also mentioned in your 7th and 8th sentence " I have read many of your comments and all I see is complaints and not solutions to the problem. No one should run from this issue that faces us all, complaining doesn't help either". I don't know what higher education did you finished, because if you will read again my comments, I am not complaining but rather reacting only to your first comments. In fact, I shared the existing laws, and repercussion that applies when you violated our US immigration laws. You raised the issue humanely, yes the humane way is to advise them to use the voluntary departure procedures which is open to all violators. But if they insist to be stubborn, the law states them to be deported. You also raised punishing them by making them pay heavy fines for their actions and going to the extreme end of the line, let me ask you these question? If million of applicants can wait for their turn and do it the "legal way", why can't others do the same? Why? Are you trying to tell me that those violators of our US immigration laws are "SACRED COWS, UNTOUCHABLES or worse EXCEPTED"? Nobody is stopping them to come here and seek the American Dream but do it the "RIGHT and LEGAL WAY". The people who should be given priority to come here are the people who are next in line.

Posted by: Navajo_NativeAmerican | May 4, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

To Ted,

Reference about your reaction comments to my reaction to your comments, please be advised that during 1880 up to 1930 there where existing laws they observed, like now 2007 we do have existing laws also to observe. You mentioned in your 5th sentence that "the fact is simple that you can not deport 12 million people" is just a "MYTH" being circulated by violators and supporters/cuddlers of violators of our US immigration laws. But the truth is we can deport them all if only the present government from Federal to Local Government (State) would have conviction and will to do so. Just like us lawyers if we want to win a case against criminals who committed crime, to "UPHOLD" the law. With regards to your first sentence "will you deport 12 million people some of whom have children who are US citizens"? Yes, lets be honest to ourselves, that when you violated our US immigration laws (crossed, sneak, smuggled in or overstayed here) there are consequences that you must be responsible with "FOR YOUR ACTION/S". Even under a court of law, "IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE". Nobody is stopping you or them to bring their children from where they came from, (country of origin).

Posted by: Navajo_NativeAmerican | May 4, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

To Ted,

Reference about your reaction comments to my reaction to your comments, please be advised that during 1880 up to 1930 there where existing laws they observed, like now 2007 we do have existing laws also to observe. You mentioned in your 5th sentence that "the fact is simple that you can not deport 12 million people" is just a "MYTH" being circulated by violators and supporters/cuddlers of violators of our US immigration laws. But the truth is we can deport them all if only the present government from Federal to Local Government (State) would have conviction and will to do so. Just like us lawyers if we want to win a case against criminals who committed crime, to "UPHOLD" the law. With regards to your first sentence "will you deport 12 million people some of whom have children who are US citizens"? Yes, lets be honest to ourselves, that when you violated our US immigration laws (crossed, sneak, smuggled in or overstayed here) there are consequences that you must be responsible with "FOR YOU ACTION/S". Even under a court of law, "IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE". Nobody is stopping you or them to bring their children from where they came from, (country of origin).

Posted by: Navajo_NativeAmerican | May 4, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

You can't deport 12+ million without looking like the Nazis did. Too many employers to go after, govt. doesn't have the man power and selective enforcement won't work. So, let the punishment fit the crime. Fines, back taxes, etc. Crossing the border illegally to find work was wrong but their intent wass to find work not scam the system. If you can't get rid of them why p*ss them off by being mean spirited. They are already in our economy, lets bring them into our society. Nobody says you have to do this but in the long run it will make things better. 50 years from now your kids and grand kids will be hanging out with or dating kids named Sanchez, and Garcia and They all will be speaking English and watching football and be proud to be Americans.

Posted by: Real McCoy | May 4, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

You dont need to deport anyone,just go after the employers and stop all benefits.They will run back themselves.
If all else fails I have a pickup and will take some time from work to deliver them.With an army of angry Americans behind me

Posted by: BOB BRERETON | May 4, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

O.k my native American brother from the Navajo tribe, will you deport 12 million people some of whom have children who are US citizens ??
Who stopped the Europeans when they came here in Mass numbers between 1880 and 1930 ?? All the Italians, Irish and Eastern Europeans. About 15 million people came to this country during the stated time frame. The fact is simple that you cannot deport 12 million people, you can give them a chance so they can become legal and at the same time seal the boarder. Measures have to be put in place to stop the ceaseless flow of illegal immigrants accross the boarder.
I have read many of your comments and all I see is complaints and not solutions to the problem. No one should run from this issue that faces us all, complaining doesn't help either. Find a solution to it. What I have proposed in my opinion is the best way to deal humanely with this people and at the same time punishing them by making them pay heavy fines for their actions and going to the extreme end of the line.
Imagine if your parents coming from Europe in the 1890s and 1900s were deported to Europe, would you have been born in this great country? would you have had the opportunity to write on this forum today ?? please be humane to this people who are just trying to put food on the table for their families.

Posted by: Ted | May 4, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey, you navajo-american-native-esquimo, Just a playfull notion for you: have you ever tried an enema? That medical procedure may well have a healthy effect in brains like yours...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2007 5:01 AM | Report abuse

To Ted,

I'm a lawyer with both parents Native American from the Navajo tribe, and speak Spanish fluently. Allow me to correct you in your presumption that Mexican/s are 100% Native American. You might be absent in the (History) class when the discussion of Spanish expansion came to the Western Hemisphere (AMERICAS - which comprises North America, Central America and South America) Spanish conquitadores came these shore inclusive of now Mexico. Spanish are European, and that's why Mexican speak Spanish. Legally speaking we have laws that must be followed. The law might be harsh but its the law. If you violated a law, you committed a crime if you committed a crime , your a criminal. No ones above or below the laws. Under our existing US immigration laws all violators are deportable or can avail voluntary departure proceedings. Under immigration issue, violators and supporters/cuddlers of them normally raise so many issue to circumvent the real issue here which is, did they violated something, our US immigration laws? Now your accusation that only the insane and drug addicted individuals can think of deporting 12 million, is a grave allegation you made, and I hope you have a "GOOD LAWYER" for that.

Posted by: Navajo_NativeAmerican | May 4, 2007 4:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm Spanish/Filipino of heritage and came here "LEGALLY" when I was 12 years old, together with my parents and siblings. I can still remember how long we waited for our chance to settle here legally, why can't others do the same? If you go to a store and decided to purchase something, there are lines that must be observed going to the cashier section in order to pay. In Schools and in Churhes one must follow their rules and policies and yet I see and hear Priests, Reverends, School Authorities supporting and cuddling violators of our US immigration laws, "remember ELVIRA ARELLANO" hope I spelled and named her right? Prior I posted my comment I was able to read here a disturbing comment coming from a Police Officer allegedly, from his point of view. I tought we are being envied as a NATION OF LAWS? Worst me and my friends was able to read a bill co-sponsored by McCain together with Kennedy allowing violators of our immigration laws be rewarded (amnesty) for breaking (allegedly 12-20 millions) our US immigration laws. The right approach is to deport them all and advise them to fall in line and expedit people who are next in line. We should also recognized now the remaining USAFFE members and their families up to their grandson/s and granddaughter/s left in the Philippines to come here immediately as a token of appreciation for their bravery during World War II in the Pacific.

Posted by: Pedro_AsianHispanic | May 4, 2007 3:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm Spanish/Filipino of heritage and came here "LEGALLY" when I was 12 years old, together with my parents and siblings. I can still remember how long we waited for our chance to settle here legally, why can't others do the same? If you go to a store and decided to purchase something, there are lines that must be observed going to the cashier section in order to pay. In Schools and in Churhes one must follow their rules and policies and yet I see and hear Priests, Reverends, School Authorities supporting and cuddling violators of our US immigration laws, "remember ELVIRA ARELLANO" hope I spelled and named her right? Prior I posted my comment I was able to read here a disturbing comment coming from a Police Officer allegedly, from his point of view. I tought we are being envied as a NATION OF LAWS? Worst me and my friends was able to read a bill co-sponsored by McCain together with Kennedy allowing violators of our immigration laws be rewarded (amnesty) for breaking (allegedly 12-20 millions) our US immigration laws. The right approach is to deport them all and advise them to fall in line and expedit people who are next in line. We should also recognized now the remaining USAFFE members and their families up to their grandson/s and granddaughter/s left in the Philippines to come here immediately as a token of appreciation for their bravery during World War II in the Pacific.

Posted by: Pedro_AsianHispanic | May 4, 2007 3:29 AM | Report abuse

I am really suprised at what people are saying in this forum. I have a quick question. Did the indians who originally lived in this land label European and African slaves as illegal and drive them away ?? Our ancestors came to this land in search of opportunity and now here we are, after wiping out the indians , we now claim to own this land. Lets be frank who has a more historical connection to this land , the Mexican who is almost 100% native American or whites from Europe or blaks from Africa. Stop all this man made restrictions and let those who are already here stay and pay taxes and contribute to the economy. Only and insane, drug addicted individual can think of deporting 12 million. Do you have the man power to do it ?? It is pretty simple, let those who are here stay and legalizing these individuals we can seal the boarder, I think that makes more sense.

Posted by: Ted | May 4, 2007 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I watched the Republican debate on MSNBC.com, but sad to say they did not touch the issue on "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" that seriously. Obviously exposure for Mitt Rommey, John McCain, Rudy Guilanni was obviously done. They did not give chance to Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter or Ron Paul enough exposure and time to comment on issues raised by the moderator. There were even irrelevant question/s thrown in like evolution issue, a question thrown to Tom Tancredo that must be answered with yes or no...and others. If the Republican party thinks they can sweep under the rug the issue of "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION", think again. They lost last year mid-term election because of some Rupublican partymates compassion and insistance to reward violators of our US immigration laws. NO TO SCAMNESTY!!!!! DEPORT THEM ALL NOW!!!!! To LawAbiding_Val how can I be member of PRO-LEGAL?

Posted by: Illinois_viewer | May 4, 2007 2:49 AM | Report abuse

To Joe,

You mentioned "Your wright we where all taught to obay the law" and so forth. Allow me to correct that, it should be "right" not wright and "obey" not obay. And for the record you are raising the color of the skin issue here by emphasizing white people, in your write up you mentioned meth lab builders and pot houses operators which 94% of them are white people , which I did not raise on my comment. Now you mentioned those grave allegation, what have you done? You claim your a Police Officer and even gave comments, so I believe you have evidence to prove those accusation. What have you done? With regards to your other comments, I don't know if your a "REAL POLICE OFFICER" whose motto is TO "SERVE AND PROTECT" and uphold the (our) law.

Posted by: Kris_student | May 4, 2007 2:25 AM | Report abuse

To Joe,

You mentioned "Your wright we where all taught to obay the law" and so forth. Allow me to correct that, it should be "right" not wright and "obey" not obay. And for the record you are raising the color of the skin issue here by emphasizing white people, in your write up you mentioned meth lab builders and pot houses operators which 94% of them are white people , which I did not raise on my comment. Now you mentioned those grave allegation, what have you done? You claim your a Police Officer and even gave comments, so I believe you have evidence to prove those accusation. What have you done? With regards to your other comments, I don't know if your a "REAL POLICE OFFICER" whose motto is TO "SERVE AND PROTECT" and uphold the (our) law.

Posted by: Kris_student | May 4, 2007 2:24 AM | Report abuse

To Kris_student

Your wright we where all taught to obay
the law and and policies but that message also goes to the Meth lab builders and pot houses operators which 94 % of them are white people unfortunately 80 % of this places are in California and I hate to tell this I'm a white person and a police officer my self and all this individuals are killing our kids and poisoning our families and I'll rather take an immigrant that cross the border illegally then a drug dealer that going to give drugs to our children. There is many things out there that you should worry about like innocent people dieing in Iraq and don't worry about the jobs because is not like if you or white person is going to work at a car wash or as a dish washer in a fast food restaurant.

Posted by: Joe | May 4, 2007 1:05 AM | Report abuse

In Elementary, Middle School, High School up to University life we are all taught to obey and follow our School/University rules, policies, directives and regulations or else face the consequences of your actions. How come to those violators of our US immigration our present government insist that deporting all those violators are unfeasible yet we all know it can be done with an order from the Commander-in-Chief? How come their are Senators and House Representatives will go out its duty to serve and protect the interest of our country, by drafting a bill to have it signed by our President to circumvent an existing bill to allow violators of our US immigration be rewarded for breaking and mocking our US immigration? You are sending a wrong signal to us, (the younger generation that it pays to cheat, abuse, sneak, mock US immigration laws, Social Security, Public Services, Educatiion, Dental and Medical (Heathcare), and that includes American jobs?

Posted by: Kris_student | May 3, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Candidates from both side whether Democrat or Republican are busy discussing the war in Iraq or Afganistan yet are afraid to discuss their position on "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" issues. Only Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are leading the candidates who will onces in for all will get the support of millions of law abiding US citizens and legal residents that disagree with several candidates allowing (PATH TO CITIZENSHIP) "AMNESTY" to those violators of our US immigration laws. Our group PRO-LEGAL (PEACEFUL, RESPONSIBLE, OBEYING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS) fully support Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter for 2008.

Posted by: LawAbiding_Val | May 3, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

US President Tim Kalemkarian, US Senate Tim Kalemkarian, US House Tim Kalemkarian: best major candidate.

Posted by: anonymous | May 3, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

This is the Same dude that was so compelled in the last immigration debate that he joined Kenndy in creating the McCain/Kenndy bill which if i recall correctly did not serve the needs and security concerns of the American people instead it served the will of the president..... A "FULL AMNESTY" bill which showed no respect or dignity for the American worker or peoples as a whole.......
It was not until just before the election that McCain sudenly changed his view on the issue, yet at the same time failed to withdrawl his stand from the McCain / Kenndy bill........One in-which will likely be reintroduced in the up coming immigration debate.

Posted by: 0_freeman_0 | May 3, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

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