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McCain Opens Pandora's Box

UPDATE, 3:15 pm: John McCain's campaign is pushing hard on Bill Ayers today. Following the release of an ad that seeks to tie Ayers to Barack Obama this morning, the campaign organized a conference call featuring Yonkers City Councilman, and state Senate candidate, John Murtagh, whose home was firebombed by the Weather Underground in 1970 (when he was a child).

"The relevance of the story is not the attack on my family in 1970," said Murtagh on the conference call. "The real relevance of the story to my mind is Senator Obama's continued association, relationship, friendship and professional working relationship with Mr. Ayers at a time when he knew and had to fully appreciate the depth of their acts."

ORIGINAL POST

The decision by John McCain's campaign to launch television ads linking Barack Obama to former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers signals a belief within the Arizona senator's inner circle that drastic measures must be taken to turn the presidential race around over the next 25 days.

The ad, which went up this morning seeks to raise questions about Obama's judgment -- linking his association with Ayers to the current financial crisis in the country.

Let's watch:

"When convenient he worked with terrorist Bill Ayers," says the ad's narrator of Obama. "When discovered, he lied." Subtlety goes right out the window!

The McCain ad comes on the same day that the Republican National Committee put up a commercial of its own in Wisconsin and Indiana -- entitled "Chicago Way" -- that seeks to tie Obama to Ayers as well as disgraced developer Tony Rezko and "political boss" Bill Daley.

The twin commercials show that the internal debate in the McCain campaign over whether (and how) to use Ayers is essentially over. Earlier in the week, there seemed to be some indecision about how aggressively to go at Obama over Ayers -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin incorporated it into her stump speech but McCain did not mention Ayers (or Rezko) during the second presidential debate on Tuesday night.

A couple observations about the new McCain ad:

• It feels like two totally different ads in the space of 30 seconds. The first 10 seconds are aimed at tying Obama to Ayers as a way of questioning his judgment; the last 20 seconds are dedicated to painting congressional Democrats as blindly opportunistic when it came to the bailout package. Huh? What does Ayers have to do with congressional Democrats? (A point of clarification from experts in campaign finance law: Because the cost of the ad is split between the McCain campaign and the RNC, it must make mention of Congress. So, that explains that. But, it doesn't make the ad any less confusing for the average viewer.)

• McCain's decision to "go there" when it comes to Ayers means that Pandora's box is now open in the campaign. To be clear, this is nothing new; the last three weeks of any campaign -- from the state legislative level all the way to the presidential level -- tend to be nasty and brutish. Watch to see how Democrats react. Does Obama put Charles Keating on television now? Or does he try to take the high road -- relying on a belief that the Ayers stuff won't move numbers?

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 10, 2008; 9:05 AM ET
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Bigger Than Ayers [Mark Hemingway]


I've stayed largely silent on the William Ayers controversy because, while associating with someone of that nature is completely reprehensible, I'm not altogether convinced it's a poltically effective attack. (I also wish McCain was putting a better economic message on the table right now as well.) Further, if associating with criminals is a problem — there are more relevant associations with ties to his campaign that everybody ought to be concerned with.

I've been screaming into the abyss for some time about Alexi Giannoulias, the Illinois state treasurer that Obama endorsed when he ran for office despite no previous political experience, who has been personally mixed up with organized crime via business dealings with his family's bank. Well, guess what — this little nugget turned up in a column in the Chicago Sun-Times:

Sneed hears rumbles political fund-raiser/fixer Tony Rezko, who is now singing sweetly to the feds from his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, has been talking about his "dealings" with a Chicago bank, which has political connections.

Now that's throw away item in a political gossip column, so I would suggest taking it with a grain of salt. But if there's any truth to it the odds that Rezko is singing about Giannoulias' Broadway Bank are exceedingly high. If Giannoulias turns out to be in legal trouble again, there's no way Obama can disatance himself like he has with Ayers. Giannoulias has been out raising lots of money for his campaign, and was even given a speaking slot at the Democratic convention in August.

So Obama chose to have him associated with his campaign. This was well after it became public that Giannoulias had loaned $11.8 million to Michael Giorango, a convicted bookmaker and prostitution promoter. Giannoulias first denied he personally approved the loan, then Chicago Tribune reported that Giannoulias personally oversaw $11.8 million in mortgage loans to Giorango in 2005. Then Giannoulias said the money had not gone to finance Casinos for organized crime. He appears to have lied again: “But newly obtained records show that $3.6 million of the recent loans were used by Giorango and another convicted felon to acquire a casino boat marina in Myrtle Beach, S.C.,” reported the Tribune.

It's not like the Obama campaign can credibly say they didn't know about this before he was out raising money for the campaign. But I'd like to believe major news agencies might want to pull a few reporters out of dumpsters in Wasilla (probably starting to get really cold up there anyway) and get them to Chicago to look into a potential Rezko-Giannoulias connection toot sweet. Maybe there's nothing there, but it's worth looking into right?

I can dream, can't I?

Posted by: schneemans | October 12, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

John McCain doesn't give a damn about America. When he loses - and he will lose, he'll have zero credibility or respect when he stands up there on Election night and talks about how this is the way we do things here and everybody needs to get behind President Obama. NOBODY will listen to him. His campaign has already encouraged and given tacit approval to domestic terrorists who were probably already plotting to assassinate Obama anyway. Now John McCain, pretend American hero, is giving them permission because Obama doesn't see America the same way "we" do.

Posted by: kemp13 | October 12, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

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Washington Post headline today: Issue Of Race Creeps Into Presidential Campaign.


WHAT?


The Obama people ARE INJECTING RACE INTO THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FUEL RACIAL ANGER IN THEIR CAMPAIGN.


Congressman Lewis is making RACIAL STATEMENTS for the benefit of the Obama campaign and it is sickening to our Democracy.
Seriously.


The Obama Campaign is the one bringing race into the election and that is a FRAUD to Obama's campaign theme of being a Post-Racial candidate - when they run out of things to say - All Obama wants to do is FUEL HIS CAMPAIGN WITH FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.


OK.


Obama did this with Bill Clinton in South Carolina. Obama twisted some of Bill Clinton's words around and created a racial furor - Obama denied denied denied that he was injecting Race into the campaign. However Tim Russert confronted Obama with a MEMO FROM OBAMA'S COMMUNICATIONS TEAMS OUTLINING HOW THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN WILL BE PUSHING RACE RACE RACE.


Obama did this with Gerry Ferraro. Obama twisted her words around to manufacture a controversy in order to fuel a Racial Campaign to help Obama's campaign.


For Obama, this is a RACIAL CAMPAIGN -


This is a HIGHLY DIVISIVE AND SHAMEFUL WAY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE OUTRAGED.


THIS IS NO WAY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.


Obama is a Disgrace to America. No person should be allowed by the media to get away with manufacturing Racial Issues in order to be fuel their political ambitions.


Obama IS THE RACIAL CANDIDATE RUNNING ON RACE RACE RACE - RUNNING ON DIVIDING DIVIDING DIVING AMERICA.


WAKE UP AMERICA AND SEND THIS AFFIRMATIVE-ACTION DO-NOTHING BOOK-TOUR POST-RACIAL-FRAUD EMPTY-SUIT HOME.


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Washington Post headline today: Issue Of Race Creeps Into Presidential Campaign.


WHAT?


The Obama people ARE INJECTING RACE INTO THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FUEL RACIAL ANGER IN THEIR CAMPAIGN.


Congressman Lewis is making RACIAL STATEMENTS for the benefit of the Obama campaign and it is sickening to our Democracy.
Seriously.


The Obama Campaign is the one bringing race into the election and that is a FRAUD to Obama's campaign theme of being a Post-Racial candidate - when they run out of things to say - All Obama wants to do is FUEL HIS CAMPAIGN WITH FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.


OK.


Obama did this with Bill Clinton in South Carolina. Obama twisted some of Bill Clinton's words around and created a racial furor - Obama denied denied denied that he was injecting Race into the campaign. However Tim Russert confronted Obama with a MEMO FROM OBAMA'S COMMUNICATIONS TEAMS OUTLINING HOW THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN WILL BE PUSHING RACE RACE RACE.


Obama did this with Gerry Ferraro. Obama twisted her words around to manufacture a controversy in order to fuel a Racial Campaign to help Obama's campaign.


For Obama, this is a RACIAL CAMPAIGN -


This is a HIGHLY DIVISIVE AND SHAMEFUL WAY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE OUTRAGED.


THIS IS NO WAY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.


Obama is a Disgrace to America. No person should be allowed by the media to get away with manufacturing Racial Issues in order to be fuel their political ambitions.


Obama IS THE RACIAL CANDIDATE RUNNING ON RACE RACE RACE - RUNNING ON DIVIDING DIVIDING DIVING AMERICA.


WAKE UP AMERICA AND SEND THIS AFFIRMATIVE-ACTION DO-NOTHING BOOK-TOUR POST-RACIAL-FRAUD EMPTY-SUIT HOME.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 12, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The whole point of the Murtagh story (published last April) is to imply Ayers not only destroyed property, but purposely tried to kill and/or injure and/or put human life at risk. That would make him a terrorist.

NOT TRUE. Murtagh (9 years old at the time) may believe that, but most law enforcement people, both then and now, do not.

Ayers has explained many times that he does not consider himself a terrorist precisely because he NEVER tried to kill or injure anyone. He thought the American public would rise up against the Vietnam War if they knew what was going on, and he thought property bombings would get their attention. Misguided, wrong, but that's what he believed.

Not even the FBI believed Ayers to be a terrorist. They certainly wanted to arrest him for his acts, but they didn't consider those acts terrorism.

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terror2000_2001.htm
l Domestic terrorism refers to activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state; appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. [18 U.S.C. § 2331(5)]

A little more light, a little less heat please. Those McCain-Palin rallies are way too reminiscent of another time, another place.

Posted by: TomJx | October 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

A Wasted Vote
by Rep. Chuck Baldwin
October 10, 2008


When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $850+ Billion Wall Street bailout paid by taxpayers: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles. Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

"Who is this person?" you ask. Go here to find out:

http://www.baldwin08.com/

As John Quincy Adams said, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

Posted by: cingi | October 12, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Tesser_actsoflove1, THERE WERE MANY LIGITIMATE REASONS TO ATTACK IRAQ. THAT IS WHY DEMOCRATS, REP. , OUR NATION, MANY NATIONS AROUND WORLD, IRAQI PEOPLE APPROVED THE IRAQ WAR .

However , Bush /Chaney started exploiting Iraq oil resource when America entered Iraq. So, to say that America only went into Iraq for oil and not for legitimate reasons is totally wrong.

* Regarding the rest of your argument, I suggest that you stop relying on Rev. Wright, Jessy Jackson, Al Sharpton, Black Panther, and Sen. Obama as news sources.


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“Iraq was invaded to steal the oil....


with the AMERICAN people paying the development costs for big oil, and subjugating yet another indigenous population to having their lands destroyed because they were sitting on top of a mother lode...

Period “

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 11, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: oldgirl1 | October 12, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

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Washington Post headline today: Race creeps into election

WHAT?


The Obama people ARE INJECTING RACE INTO THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FUEL RACIAL ANGER IN THEIR CAMPAIGN.


Seriously.

The Obama Campaign is the one bringing race into the election and that is a FRAUD to Obama's campaign theme of being a Post-Racial candidate - when they run out of things to say - All Obama wants to do is FUEL HIS CAMPAIGN WITH FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.


OK.


Obama did this with Bill Clinton in South Caroline.


Obama did this with Gerry Ferraro.


For Obama, this is a RACIAL CAMPAIGN -


This is a HIGHLY DIVISIVE WAY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE OUTRAGED.

THIS IS NO WAY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

WAKE UP AMERICAN AND SEND THIS EMPTY SUIT HOME.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 12, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

A minister delivering the invocation at John McCain’s rally in Davenport, Iowa Saturday told the crowd non-Christian religions around the world were praying for Barack Obama to win the U.S. presidential election.

“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport.

WHAT A LOSER

Posted by: ramsistla | October 12, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Iraq was invaded to steal the oil....


with the AMERICAN people paying the development costs for big oil, and subjugating yet another indigenous population to having their lands destroyed because they were sitting on top of a mother lode...

period


Afghanistan was invaded to steal oil and use it as a drug state...

an Argentine OIL COMPANY had defeated Unocal now CHEVRON for getting the Trans Afghanistan pipeline built in Afghanistan...bring natural gas, and oil from the Caspian region....the ruling was upheld in a HOUSTON TEXAS court...


the TALIBAN burned the opium crop just prior to the bush family invasion of Afghanistan....


AFGHANISTAN provided 93 PERCENT OF THE WORLDS HEROIN LAST YEAR....


$800 BILLION DOLLARS in unrecorded profit for those working it....historically


that's the CIA, the Bush family and Cheney, with the Cuban mafia running the Colombian COCAINE CONNECTION....


all of this is verifiable...


oldgirl is either stupid or


a paid disinformation shunt...


her information IS A BLUNT LIE


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Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 11, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I think that America is pretty sick of those who pander to dishonesty as if


fraud were a legal recourse:


such as 37 thand OStreet....

if I have a say in it, you'll be investigated after the election, and your fraudlent activities prosecuted...

you're selling a product.....there fore you can be prosecuted under the law and assessed damages....


FRAUD is a crime.


It's not disinformation, it's fraud, and once it's punished anywhere,


you become a criminal....fact is you may be the first one sued "by the people."


class action lawsuit against misleading information


aka FRAUD or PROPAGANDA or a simple lie....


hope you do jail time personal friend of john....


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Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 11, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

PALIN RALLY

Saturday Night Skit?

We can only hope!

anticipation

Posted by: grandstreetfund | October 11, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank Goodness McSame and Sara gave

SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE
great new material...this week
..I hope they do a PALIN rally skit....
anticipation...anticipation

Posted by: grandstreetfund | October 11, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Thank Goodness McSame and Sara gave

SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE
great new material...this week
..I hope they do a PALIN rally skit....
anticipation...anticipation

Posted by: grandstreetfund | October 11, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

HAS CONNECTIONS TO BILL AYERS WILL MOVE AMERICANS MUCH!!

* What will influence voters is the fact that Sen. Obama record on economic policy pails in comparison to Sen. McCain/Gov. Palin record. This is why, he offer voters only promises without any reference to his own record on economic policy.

* Also, his fellow Democrats are mainly responsible for our current economic problems.
AMERICANS KNOW OBAMA IS AN IMMORAL LOW LIFE, SO I DOUBT REVEALING OBAMA
* Finally, Sen. Obama do not nave a sensible plan to improve our economy (his energy plan stinks, tax and spend policy stinks, no plan for our current economic problems). This is why he can only refer to Rep. when talking about economy. Where is your economic plan Sen. Obama!! Are you afraid to talk about it because no one believes in it, NOT EVEN YOU!!

BTW, Sen. McCain is correct about invading Iraq. 1) America were developing the a bad reputation because, a lot of innocent people in Iraq, esp. women and children, were dying from sanction, 2) Sadam could have gotten nuclear (from Pak.), biological, and chemical material and give it to terrorist, 3) Sadam was a future treat to this nation oil supply and security, 4) Finally America had to put an end to the Iraq morass, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, because only innocent Iraqi people were being punished by sanction.

Posted by: oldgirl1 | October 11, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

AMERICANS KNOW OBAMA IS AN IMMORAL LOW LIFE, SO I DOUBT REVEALING OBAMA HAS CONNECTIONS TO BILL AYERS WILL MOVE AMERICANS MUCH!!

* What will influence voters is the fact that Sen. Obama record on economic policy pails in comparison to Sen. McCain/Gov. Palin'S record.

* Also, his fellow Democrats are mainly responsible for our current economic problems.

* Finally, Sen. Obama do not have a sensible plan to improve our economy (his energy plan stinks, tax and spend policy stinks, no plan for our current economic problems). This is why he can only refer to Rep. when talking about economy. Where is your economic plan Sen. Obama!! Are you afraid to talk about it because no one believes in it, NOT EVEN YOU!!

BTW, Sen. McCain is correct about invading Iraq: 1) America was developing a bad reputation because a lot of innocent people in Iraq, esp. women and children, were dying from sanction, 2) Sadam could have gotten nuclear (from Pak.) biological, and chemical material and give it to terrorist; 3) Sadam was a future treat to this nation's oil supply and security; 4) Finally, America had to put an end to the Iraq morass, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

Posted by: oldgirl1 | October 11, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

yeah, I'm totally down for talking about Nixon's America with a bunch of spin junkies...just let me stop by Ikea real quick. They have a sale on sultan Hogbo mattresses...I just have to gut that bastard and stuff my life savings inside and then we can sit around my barrelfire...real cozy-like and talk about Bill Ayers and McCains demerits until we run out of trash and everclear

Posted by: fugnar | October 11, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain's character defects go beyond being the member of the Keating 5 who was actually Charles Keating's personal friend.

The word elite would define Mr. McCain’s background. The bottom line is a military career that, absent the prison camp time, would be a considered a disaster. The only reason Mr. McCain was even allowed in an airplane was due to his father’s influence. Indeed, if not for his mother pressuring the Superintendent of the U.S. Naval Academy he would have been expelled. He not only wrecked airplanes stateside, which would have normally ended any pilot’s career, but it has been alleged that he caused the well-known fire that occurred on the USS Forrestal in July 1967, showboating by "wet-starting" his A-4 aircraft to annoy the pilot behind him. This all needs to be revisited, in my opinion, as are the charges of marital infidelity that followed him during his entire military career.

Another shocking revelation entails exactly who Cindy McCain’s father was, and the tie to the infamous Lansky crime family, notorious for their role in large-scale alcohol smuggling during the Prohibition and the establishment of Las Vegas and organized crime in the West. The term "beer heiress" oversimplifies the true situation. I was fascinated how none of this history seems to have really been reported in the past, and serves as an indication of how the media has changed over time. At least some of this information is available for those diligent enough to search for it.

Posted by: jwallace1 | October 11, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse


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The Obama people are showing how Post-partisan they really are. This proves that 1) Obama is a FRAUD by paying the bloggers to say such things and 2) Obama's supporters are a joke by tolerating the hypocrisy.


yea.


AMERICA IS PRETTY SICK OF THE POST-PARTISAN AND POST-RACIAL CANDIDATE APPLYING THOSE STANDARDS TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT HIMSELF AND HIS SUPPORTERS.

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The Obama people are showing how Post-partisan they really are. This proves that 1) Obama is a FRAUD by paying the bloggers to say such things and 2) Obama's supporters are a joke by tolerating the hypocrisy.


yea.


AMERICA IS PRETTY SICK OF THE POST-PARTISAN AND POST-RACIAL CANDIDATE APPLYING THOSE STANDARDS TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT HIMSELF AND HIS SUPPORTERS.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 11, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

mmcain is not going far on this tired, old horse...there isn't a senator or rep who can state that he hasn't had an interaction with some dubious character in his career.

obama's interactions had nothing to do with ayers philosophies or sordid past...and let's not forget that these were not one on one solo exchanges...republicans were in the mix as well...a charity board and tea? that's all you've got?

mccain is crazy to bring this up, given his connections with the keating mess...not to mention his wife's continued business relationship with keating after the humiliation of her husband.

if he wants a fair shot at winning this thing, he needs to pony up on issues and leave the mudslinging behind.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | October 11, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters know absolutely nothing about his past and that's the way they like it. See no evil, hear no evil, everyone who doesn't get down on their knees and worship their new lord is racist and evil. They don't know and they don't want to know. They don't want to face the facts that their little sock puppet has ZERO ACCOMPLISHMENTS, is a tool of the corrupt Illinois system and has ALWAYS defended corruption. Obama has never changed a thing except Mayor Daley's feces stained shorts and never run anything but his stammering mouth. Obama supporters LOVE ignorance. The better to worship their new false God in bliss.

Posted by: libertariana | October 11, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Sen. John McCain has sold his soul. McCain has decided to put self first, and country last. He intends to divide the nation with loaded language and stir out the worst. John McCain will go down in history losing the presidency along with his honor.

Posted by: Swing-Voter | October 11, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Poor John McCain. Old age and associated insanity have gripped him so badly that he cannot think rationally at all! He has lost all dignity and civil behavior earned and learned over the ages. And his Godforsaken so-called advisors!

Posted by: AnjuChandel | October 11, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Part of the reasons some do not trust Obama is because of his short public career. Voters need sources other than Obama's books and words to know if they can trust the man. The lack of honorable Chicagoans who intimately know Obama and can vouch for his integrity and patriotism is much more disturbing than negative ads.

I also think McCain's negative ads hurt him as much as Obama. People do not trust words of a politician, especially if he does something that he said he would not do. Pictures of Obama not showing respect for the pledge/anthemn, however, are fair game since they are facts and speak for themselves.

Posted by: FloridaCounts | October 11, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Has McSame ever been to Chicago?...

He used to have a few supporters here tell that new add...

Capone is dead.but he did act like a mean old man....like someone running for president

Posted by: grandstreetfund | October 11, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse


HELLO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to solve a situation you have to understand it.


there is no real liquidity without a middle class.


there is no middle class if outsourcing is "the way to go," to avoid support or labor costs...without middle class people spending the money that they have earned, there is no liquidity....if every billionaire buys seven refrigerators how many refrigerators will a thousand millionaires buy?


I know it's beyond most of you.


and bank fraud? try the current adminstration which has been working congress since 1950...Prescott Bush...the original "war profiteer"

George H.W.'s father....bank fraud and war profiteering aka "skimming"


your country at the hands of corruption. SEE BCCI, Bush, Silverado, MCI


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afraid of me? at 09:20 PM on 10/05/08

lack of money isn't the problem...

the problem is that the middle class has been harvested, and their "buying ways," have been curtailed by "no money anymore."


and "rich people," who've bought their way into control of the legislative process, and write the laws that benefit them and not the country are too stupid to realize that

when there is no product in GDP, that money ceases to have real meaning...


I know that is beyond you, but trading paper produces nothing....and not have any products produced in-country means dollars go out-of-country daily...


while companies pretending to be AMERICAN have 97 PERCENT of their labor costs going to overseas companies...


no in-country employees earning money?


so AMERICAN citizens got no money, they got no jobs, no matter how cheap it gets it's too much money when you got none, comprende?

---------------------------------------------------


the current administration has been _selling_


that the economy is okay for 7.8 years now....but the U.S. of A. she don't _PRODUCE_ anything anymore....and white collar jobs are overseas too...


and 3rd World country managers are in_country replacing managers as well, and medical/architectual/modeling jobs are now being outsourced...

that's lower upper class people/jobs being harvested for the last three years...


whose next? the rest, aka the economy D.A.'s


The gross domestic product (GDP) or gross domestic income (GDI) is one of the measures of national income and output for a given country's economy. ...

____________________________________________


you want to fix the economy???


make it a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.....and messing with it treason.


stop outsourcing yesterday, bring customer service jobs in_country immediately....if it's a federal mandate for _all_ it'll be managed...


fix the infrastructure. make cities safe and livable, discourage driving by encouraging telecommuting

I could come up with 25 things that would generate GDP and REAL PRODUCT in_country in two weeks....


but then I'm not a corrupt government bush family member trying to scam you....I am an engineer

and I KNOW how things work.....I don't sell you propaganda as fact and make you stupid with incorrect premise and information.


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Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

catch a clue,


search on Union Bank, BCCI, Silverado, bush


search on Union Bank, Prescott Bush, Remington, Standard Oil, steel, nazis


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Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

listen closely,


bailing out the banks is like spraying topical disinfectant on a boil caused by an infection in the liver....


you may relieve the immediately visible symptom,

but you're going to die.

can you think past the next five minutes or are you all a bunch of two year olds' that can't put the cookie down, because you're in a

"mine" snit??????


CONGRESS and the corrupt whitehouse are emotionally 2 years old and they're holding the cookie bag.....you think they are going to share?

where's the proof simple toons? jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezeus.

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Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

the current administration has been _selling_


that the economy is okay for 7.8 years now....but the U.S. of A. she don't _PRODUCE_ anything anymore....and white collar jobs are overseas too...


and 3rd World country managers are in_country replacing managers as well, and medical/architectual/modeling jobs are now being outsourced...

that's lower upper class people/jobs being harvested for the last three years...


whose next? the rest, aka the economy D.A.'s


The gross domestic product (GDP) or gross domestic income (GDI) is one of the measures of national income and output for a given country's economy. ...

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

lack of money isn't the problem...

the problem is that the middle class has been harvested, and their "buying ways," have been curtailed by "no money anymore."


and "rich people," who've bought their way into control of the legislative process, and write the laws that benefit them and not the country are too stupid to realize that

when there is no product in GDP, that money ceases to have real meaning...


I know that is beyond you, but trading paper produces nothing....and not have any products produced in-country means dollars go out-of-country daily...


while companies pretending to be AMERICAN have 97 PERCENT of their labor costs going to overseas companies...


no in-country employees earning money?


so AMERICAN citizens got no money, they got no jobs, no matter how cheap it gets it's too much money when you got none, comprende?


Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Why was John McCain surprised when a father expressed fear about raising his child under an Obama presidency? Because there is a total disconnect between Republicans and reality. McCain doesn't think about anyone REALLY hating Obama because of what McCain says about him. Republicans live in an alternate reality, created by Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh. In their world, what they say is directed to the anonymous "other" and is meant to make you hate; but they don't take any responsibility for the feelings they create. They don't understand that their words can actually affect reality. A friend posted on her Facebook "I truly believe liberalism is a form of mental disease" (a la Limbaugh). When I told her thanks for thinking I'm mentally ill, she said Oh, I didn't mean YOU. They just don't stop to think before they bloviate. http://obama-bidenforthewin.blogspot.com

Posted by: annieb346 | October 10, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

popa's monke...


he duh smoke....


he duh joke....


he duh moke...eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....


diddle diddle dumplins.....


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Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

popa's monke

he sucking the crawford salaami...he karls....


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FANNIE MAE, and FREDDIE MAC


guarantee MORTGAGE POOLS and individual loans.....they don't make loans, nor do they encourage low income mortgages....


they are PRESSURED TO GUARANTEE THEM by corrupt banking officials...


they are also both backed by $800 BILLION DOLLARS worth of stocks and other financial instruments....


the culprits for the current fiasco? stupid BORN_rich people that have no experience with anything but influence peddling, bid rigging, price fixing, and using electoral fraud to get a hold of the government...

whoever has gotten a non compete bid from the first 6 years of the bush VETO FREE FOR ALL REPUBLICAN SCAM ARTITES administration.....nope didn't veto jack for 6 YEARS


the first thing he vetoed? healthcare for children....

whoSOMEever paid Niel, George W., Jeb and George H.W.'s way through life....DRUG CZARS, ZIONISTSAS

das SAND BROS. in UAE, Kuwiat, Saudi...


nothing like a little IRAQI OIL disquised as Kuwiati OIL eh????


"....put that in the Halliburton ACCOUNT BOYS!!!!" says the dick

it's all a matter of PUBLIC record....


you _C_A_N_ attach their ALL OF THEIR family holdings. and anyone associated with them....

think UAE has some money? think the bushes would use it to manipulate markets????

please, SEARCH on George W. Bush, Victor Ashe, Jeff Gannon


see what they do that you don't know about.


Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING: Palin found to have abused her discretion in troopergate by a bipartsian legislative panel in Alaska.

Mrs. Palin:

May I have your attention please?

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
You have the right to have an attorney present during questioning.
If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.
Do you understand these rights?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 10, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Ask yourself:

WHAT DOES IT PROFIT A MAN IF HE GAIN THE WOLE WORLD AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL?
Mark 8:32

McCain has lost ALL sense of honor,credibility and decency. He has sold his soul to the devil at a time when he should be elevating his character instead of OPENLY and DELIBERATELY stooping to the deepest depths of hatred the U.S. has seen. This is a man who asks us to elect him to the ultimate seat in our government, one of highest esteem. This is NOT the character of a man I want making decisions for my life in MY country. Where else will he decide to sell us all down the river for his own selfish reasons? Even GW hasn't stooped to these levels of self-serving hatred.

As for Sarah Palin: How creepy it is when I see videos of her rallies, watching her smile that evil smile after she INCITES the crowd so much that they shout things like "Kill him!". HOW EVIL. She delights in her mission to destroy Obama at any cost to him, his family or those who support him. What happened to the "lovely" hockey-mom-god-loving-SAINT SARAH that supposedly connected with the GOOD PEOPLE of this country?
BEAUTY IS AS BEAUTY DOES.

WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY AFRAID OF AND SADDENED BY THIS DUO THAT WILL UNASHAMEDLY STRIKE OUT WITH SUCH HATRED. WHAT IS THIS COUNTRY COMING TO?

I've never believed in Armeggedon but between the world financial meltdown and the complete disintegration of human decency unraveling in this countrys' election.....I'm afraid to hear what comes next. God help us.

Posted by: rjs_donal | October 10, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain's Pandoras Box = Sarah Palin... the Pitbull with lipstick, hockey mom, Sarah Sixpack is nothing more than an opportunistic politician of the worst and dangerous kind.

Palin's abuse of power shows how ethical this soon to be ex Govenor of Alaska....

What goes around, comes around...

Posted by: LMM48 | October 10, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I am going to make a prediction. Mccain drops Palin from the ticket as a last "Hail Mary"

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

PALIN FOUND GUILTY OF ABUSING POWER.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

DONT YOU SEE!...its all a conspiracy, the corporate owned main stream media is against the greatest defenders of capitalism and the free market..the republican party...... BECAUSE it hates America and of course does not need the economy to continue functioning properly or ADVERTISING dollars anymore.

OF COURSE, I DIDN"T SEE IT UNTIL NOW..... they are going to put a socialistic, commie, pinko, terrorist, Muslim that somehow has a racist preacher in the white house to somehow destroy America from within. OH BE AFRAID PATRIOTS, BE AFRAID....

Suspend the convention, suspend the campaign! Don't show the president at the convention because it might remind people how badly he screwed up Katrina. I guess he is the one that must not be named. In fact that was part of their plan. Obama can control nature too..... buts it not about that...its about Experience....I mean its about Change....yeah ditto Obama change!...Oh I meant its about reform.....No its about washed up terrorist who are now college professors and THAT ONE was 8 years old!

The financial collapse is all the democrats fault by supporting Fannie and Freddie because the republican president and 6 year controlled congress were no match for the all powerful sinister democratic forces and could not possibly have done anything the past 8 years to stop it! BE AFRAID
because you probably hadn't heard of Fannie and Freddie before this and apparently neither had republicans.

OOOOOOOOOhhh be afraid,,,,,be very afraid.....because those guys that left us in prosperity 8 years ago and with a surplus are now going to TAX you until you cant afford healthcare. Oooops I forgot you already can't afford healthcare...I meant he is going to TAX you to buy overhead projectors and actually spend money on schools. What we need my friend are more wars and prisons, but SSSSHHHH....you don't say that out loud. BE AFRAID!

WHO IS THE REAL BARACK OBAMA? who is this guy...he hasn't been on TV for the last 2 years running for president.........BE AFRAID.....where did he come from? The scary black man is going to teach your toddlers about sex..... and sneak into your homes and steal your six pack!

Oh hold on...I'm going to suspend my rant for a second...psyche. BE AFRAID....
"true" Americans ......He hates the troops ....... but wants to bring them home.

How insane...We cant leave IRAQ now..they only have an 80 billion dollar surplus. Lets wait until their economy is really doing better than ours. He has bad judgement but I would pick his advisor and supporter Warren Buffett to run the treasury. We are going to pay for all the mortgages AND cut taxes!

IT DOESN"T MATTER if we are not making any more sense....JUST BE AFRAID.

Archie Bunkers of the World UNITE!

NOT.

McCain...have some class.
I'm over it. I've made my decision.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: StoptheSpin | October 10, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

The Obama supporters are risking the future of this country by going for this affirmative action experiment to place an inexperienced empty suit in the most important decision making role in the World.


Seriously.

Why? Do they just want to feel good about themselves- that they are "cool" enough to vote for a black ????

For that they are risking the future of this country.


WHAT A BUNCH OF IRRESPONSIBLE FOOLS.


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Posted by: popasmoko | October 10, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe is not in New York

Broadwayjoe is a pretender

Broadway please reconsider your position, the rest of America does not want to take the risk that a former Cocaine user like Obama to go back to cocaine if things get tough.


Obama is an empty suit affirmative action former cocaine user who should not be anywhere near important decision making.


Signed: Americans for Sanity


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Posted by: popasmoko | October 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

The first time someone is beaten or worse, because they are wearing an Obama shirt, they may understand whet they are fooling with. Mob mentality can be very dangerous. The Obama campaign is not suppling very many yard signs, they are hard to get. I have a feeling they anticipated something like this happening. The last thing they need is someone home being fire bombed or windows busted out because they have an Obama sign in their yard. Obama's offices have had bomb threats and workers threatened from the very beginning. Many people quit because they were being called nig&er lovers when they were out canvassing. Obama has not wanted any of this covered although NY Times did a story on it a while back. Recently in Florida an Obama office was vandalized and had to be shut down for three days. I wonder how many death threats Mccain has had? Obama has had to have special security since he began running. Mccain knows all this and he starts doing stuff like he is doing now? What is wrong with that man, He is not mentally all there in my opinion.


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Shame on the Palin-McBush campaign! By encouraging hate-mongering and racist baiting, these bigots have taken the Republican party down a dangerous path. Why don't more people of good faith condemn this incitement to violence? Should good people, white and otherwise, remain silent while Palin and McCain repeat outlandish falsehoods that make their supporters tell "Kill him!" and "Sit down, boy!" What kind of country do we live in?

Posted by: USAfuture | October 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

blowing smoke


be blowing George W

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moke'

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain is far more qualified to lead this nation in these times of economic crisis.


Obama has no experience in economics or business outside of buying cocaine.

Who would vote for a cocaine user to help us in a crisis?

Seriously.


Are you completely insane ???


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Posted by: popasmoko | October 10, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to come clean with the LYING HE HAS BEEN DOING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WILLIAM AYERS.


THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR.


OBAMA NEEDS TO BE HONEST WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


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Posted by: popasmoko | October 10, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

FANNIE MAE, and FREDDIE MAC


guarantee MORTGAGE POOLS and individual loans.....they don't make loans, nor do they encourage low income mortgages....


they are PRESSURED TO GUARANTEE THEM by corrupt banking officials...


they are also both backed by $800 BILLION DOLLARS worth of stocks and other financial instruments....

THEN THEY GAVE MONEY TO OBAMA'S CAMPAIGNS !!!

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Posted by: popasmoko | October 10, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Pandora's Box, indeed.

Thanks to the Ayers slimorama, O is doing better in the polls than ever before. He is ahead by more than the MOE in every national poll, including up 12 in DailyKos, 11 in Gallup, and 7 in FoxNews. He has gone up 3-4 in Zogby since the slime tour started. In the most conservative of electoral polls O is at 277, without counting OH and FL where he is ahead. And he is ahead in NC and closing in on Georgia. Yes, Georgia.

Prominent Republican leaders and commentators have registered their disgust at the daily appearances inciting separatist Yahoos to do violence and scream racial epithets about O and at AA bystanders. The extreme undertow caused by this sewage threatens to take down dozens of big name Congressmen and -women across the country.

So we are sure O would say: please open Pandora's Box a little wider, all the way -- Keep refusing to shake my hand, keep calling me "that one" or "S-mbo," keep going on and on about Ayers and whomever else I have met since I was eight, keep encouraging Yahoos to yell slurs, and, above all, keep ignoring every relevant policy issue the country cares about. Please keep it up through Nov. 4.

Folks in early voting states: VOTE NOW.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 10, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Shame on the Palin-McBush campaign! By encouraging hate-mongering and racist baiting, these bigots have taken the Republican party down a dangerous path. Why don't more people of good faith condemn this incitement to violence? Should good people, white and otherwise, remain silent while Palin and McCain repeat outlandish falsehoods that make their supporters tell "Kill him!" and "Sit down, boy!" What kind of country do we live in?

Posted by: USAfuture | October 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

US Congressional testimony has confirmed the securities liability incurred by American taxpayers from the Bush & democratic bailouts (Bear Stearns + AIG + Fannie Mae & Freddy Mac + $700 BILLION giveaway) to be $63 TRILLION or more. Why were the debates limited to senator John McCain and senator Barack Obama who were responsible for the greatest robbery in the history of the world? They have just robbed 300 million americans of $63 TRILLION. The only way america can be saved is to elect Ralph Nader who is an honest american and would go after these crooks. Bush and the political crooks have ruined the global economy and threaten Russia and Germany. The only way to save Germany and Russia from the Bush infection is to isolate America like a deadly disease. Paulson should be in Guantanamo jail as an enemy combatant. This crook is head of the Bush Bank Robbers gang. This crook stole $63 TRILLION from 300 million americans. He deserves aggressive interrogation and daily waterboarding for the next 25 years. McCain put this crook in Guantanamo jail and you will be elected.

Posted by: WHewitt671 | October 10, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

FANNIE MAE, and FREDDIE MAC


guarantee MORTGAGE POOLS and individual loans.....they don't make loans, nor do they encourage low income mortgages....


they are PRESSURED TO GUARANTEE THEM by corrupt banking officials...


they are also both backed by $800 BILLION DOLLARS worth of stocks and other financial instruments....


the culprits for the current fiasco? stupid BORN_rich people that have no experience with anything but influence peddling, bid rigging, price fixing, and using electoral fraud to get a hold of the government...

whoever has gotten a non compete bid from the first 6 years of the bush VETO FREE FOR ALL REPUBLICAN SCAM ARTITES administration.....nope didn't veto jack for 6 YEARS


the first thing he vetoed? healthcare for children....

whoSOMEever paid Niel, George W., Jeb and George H.W.'s way through life....DRUG CZARS, ZIONISTSAS

das SAND BROS. in UAE, Kuwiat, Saudi...


nothing like a little IRAQI OIL disquised as Kuwiati OIL eh????


"....put that in the Halliburton ACCOUNT BOYS!!!!" says the dick

it's all a matter of PUBLIC record....


you _C_A_N_ attach their ALL OF THEIR family holdings. and anyone associated with them....

think UAE has some money? think the bushes would use it to manipulate markets????

please, SEARCH on George W. Bush, Victor Ashe, Jeff Gannon


see what they do that you don't know about.


Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

It has long been thought he gave up flight paths because it was no long before several planes were shot down flying where there should not have been anti aircraft. After you are a POW for even a short time anything you know is pretty much worthless. You are out of the loop and they are always making changes. It is known that Mccain made some 30 or more propaganda broadcasts. In his book he admitted to only 1. He was out of touch with other prisoners for several years and no one really knows what he was up to. He went to great lengths when hearings were held in the early 90's to not have his records released. There are supposedly records in viet nam about prisoners activities. There are supposedly even the tapes he made for the enemy. This has been hanging over his head for many years and he will not address it other then to make sure they are never seen. Mccain keeps saying "Who is Obama"? The question is "Who is John Mccain". Because of who his father was it is pretty much assumed his military records are bogus.
I will repost this piece and people can just make up their own minds. In my opinion John Mccain is a phony. Every man who was there were heros and few have tried to make careers out of it. look up what popasmoke means.

THE Admiral SON.

In Oct. 26, 1967, the admiral's son while flying his 23rd mission over North Vietnam, once again fell from the sky, this time landing in the hands of a brutal enemy. He was beaten and bayoneted. His shoulder was smashed and his right calf was nearly perpendicular to his knee.
The severely wounded McCain was finally thrown on the back of a truck and hauled to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp. Immediately, his captors began to interrogate him using sadistic methods they had perfected on hundreds of captured U.S. servicemen before him.

His interrogators demanded military information. When he refused, his guards kicked and pounded him mercilessly.
McCain admits that three to four days after he was captured, he promised the Vietnamese, "I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
McCain also admits that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given "special medical treatment" because of his promise.
He claims he was given medical care normally unavailable to captured Americans only because the Vietnamese learned he was the son of Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific including those fighting in Vietnam.

The Vietnamese figured that because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank that he was of royalty or the governing circle in the United States. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince"and treated him as a "special prisoner."

Less than two weeks after McCain was taken to a hospital, Hanoi's press began quoting him giving specific military information, including the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, numbers of U.S. pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight, information about location of rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.
There is also evidence that McCain received "special" medical treatment from a Soviet physician.

After he was out of the hospital, McCain continued cooperating with the North Vietnamese for a period of three years. He made radio broadcasts for the communists and met with foreign delegations, including the Cubans. He was interviewed by at least two North Vietnamese generals one of whom was Vietnam's national hero, General Vo Nguyen Giap.

On June 4, 1969, a U.S. wire service story headlined "PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral," reported one of McCain's radio broadcasts: "Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of the United States commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.
McCain says he violated the Code of Conduct only when the North Vietnamese brutally tortured him. He further claims that he was so distraught afterwards that he tried to commit suicide. He has never explained why his "aid to the enemy" continued for more than three years.

Even though there are no reports in the public record from other POWs who witnessed McCain's claims of torture and heroics or his attempted suicide, the American media has accepted his version of events word for word, no questions asked.

Yet, the same press that transformed the admiral's son into an "incredible war hero--an inspiration to all Americans," vilified the two grunts.
Comparing the incidents surrounding the fates of three POWs,' who collaborated with the enemy, makes one question why two faced possible execution for treason, while the third won acclaim as a hero fit to be President of the United States.
Once more, Lady Luck had smiled on John McCain . . . or was it the admiral?


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popasmmoke, McCain himself admitted that they broke him down, but to be called collaborator or traitor he must've done something that resulted in harm to his country and his fellow man. I have not heard of any information that he gave the Vietnamese that was of any significance nor I heard of anything he have done that would jeopardize his country and his fellow man. I have never looked at McCain as a "great war hero", I always looked at him as a patriot and a veteran, but to call him a coward and a traitor is despicable.

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

What is the matter with you people? How can you call yourself Christians and be so hateful? I have tried to be rational, neutral, listen to other people. But I have been pushed too far by this insane bloodlust and freakish conspiracy theories. Why not just burn the man in effigy? You are starting to look, smell and act like the radical nutjobs in third world countries who burn our flag. You aren't acting like real Americans. Or maybe you are - like Americans at a KKK rally.

Posted by: corridorg4 | October 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The images of McCain and Palin surrounded by crazed delusional mobs screaming about socialists, Anti-Americans, anti-Christians, and domestic terrorists taking over our country and government are evidence of McCain-Palin’s move from politics-as-usual to McCarthyism.

With a relentless stream of misinformation and incendiary propaganda McCain and Palin create and feed the mob’s delusions of Obama—and anyone who doesn’t embrace their views—as anti-American destructionists intend on destroying the American way of life. The media serves McCain and Palin well in this regard. The industry’s fear of being “scooped” and its penchant for sensationalism drives the media to exploit McCain and Palin’s dangerous propaganda; consequently the media spreads and reinforces the suspicion, fear, and hate McCain and Palin are peddling.

As we learned from McCarthy, anti-American crusaders expand their influence through Washington. People will focus were the government leaders focus. McCain-Palin thus exploit presidential politics as a means to preoccupy their supporters with irrational fears about national security threats and domestic terrorist coups; further, they exploit presidential politics as a vehicle to enable these frighten Americans to directly participate in their anti-American crusade.

McCain-Palin’s anti-American crusade is not only bad for the country, but it holds serious consequences for the Republican Party as well. Many voters are not willing or able to separate McCain-Palin’s anti-American rhetoric from the messages of other republicans running for reelection. Consequently, many respectable republican conservatives who were leading in the polls just a few weeks ago now find themselves in dead-heats with their democrat challengers. States once considered deep red are now a pretty shade of purple and turning bluer each day.

McCarthyism under any other name is still McCarthyism. McCain-Palin’s subversion is as much a threat to our democracy, civil liberties, and freedom today as McCarthy’s subversion was in his day. The images and sounds of the McCain-Palin mobs have alarmed many throughout the country. Politicians, political pundits, journalists, and many Americans are now calling on McCain-Palin to stop their anti-America rhetoric. However, McCain-Palin cannot end their anti-American rhetoric without destroying their own anti-American crusader credentials—a step they will never take for their personal ambitions are deeper than their concerns for our country and their party. So it’s up to the American people to outright reject them at the polls.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 10, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is proving that he has no honor. He knows that these attacks are baseless, guilt-by-association smears. But he would rather spend the last few weeks of his campaign attempting to sully his opponent and riling up his base than doing something to change the tone of political discourse for the good.

If he genuinely wanted to put his country first, he would be trying to quell the anger and fear that so many Americans feel right now. He wouldn't be stirring people up more, just so that he can play on negative emotions in hopes of manipulating a few more votes from desperate people in desperate times.

His behavior is shameless, and it makes me wonder if I was wrong about who he really was. I used to think that McCain was a principled politician with whom I disagreed about some policies and positions, but that I could basically trust to run an honest campaign. Now he seems like one of the most dangerous and frightening campaigners I've ever seen. He'll stop at nothing, even if it means inciting violence, just to get attention. That's worse than your "average politician." I truly don't understand how he could do this. Doesn't he know that he's playing with fire? Does he want this country to suffer more than it already is?

I am so disappointed.

Posted by: libelian | October 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

jmk55 :

"... I don't think that you understand the fundamentals of capitalism and you would want to have it both ways - you can't."

Don't give me that College Republicans B.S. about the "fundamentals of capitalism". Capitalism is not an inevitable condition, or a force of nature, or an axiom, or the only way to economic development and success. It's an economic tool, one of many, and it all depends on how you use it and the quality of people using it.

And by the way, you CAN have it both ways: capitalism AND democracy. Just visit Denmark, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Switzerland, France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, UK, Belgium, Slovenia, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, et al

BTW, you can also have it a different both ways - Capitalism and Autocracy. Just visit China, Russia, Singapore, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, et al

It looks like, babe, you don't know jack about your "fundamentals of capitalism"


"Someone always has to work for someone, and someone is always better off than someone else."

Another bit of College Republicans crap.
I don't mind if you make couple of million a year as long as I too, through my labor, have enough for my survival and basic needs, e.g. adequate and safe food, decent roof over my head, clean, safe & healthy neighborhood to live in, sufficient health care, affordable daycare for children, good education, sufficient time off, clean water, clean environment, and an occasional access to a nice quiet beach without worrying that some rich SOB claims it as his/her "private property".

"it is also true, that many jobs are leaving the country, but many of them would belly up if they didn't."

Not necessarily. You'd just have to pay me more and receive less, that's all. :)
You'd still be sufficiently rich and I'd be OK too.

"..Thank the unions and 25/hr salaries for punch press operators...".

Thank you, unions!
Why should you get $1,000/hour and why is $25/hour too much for another guy who slaves for you at the punch press, often with no health insurance? Why, you think you're more indispensable than him? Think again. 99 times out of 100 you're just plain dumb lucky.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The language McCain and Palin are using: "radical," "palling around with terrorists," "willing co-conspirators" is growing more heated by the day. It's language that's compounded by the "dangerous" commercials McCain is running across the country. It's the kind of language that you use in describing an enemy in wartime. It's the kind of language that not only excuses violence, but encourages it. More and more it sounds as if McCain has inhaled the ghost of Joseph McCarthy and is exhaling the fevered rancor of Charles Coughlin.


The "Straight Talk Express" long ago left the station. "Country First" is the last thing on their minds. Nothing remains of John McCain's campaign but a tight little ball of festering hate. Considering the volatile nature of the country at the moment, and the fear so many are facing as they watch their life savings evaporate, that hate is all too easy to spread. There are millions of Americans looking for someone to blame for this disaster, and McCain is desperate to give them a target. He's said many times that he wants to reach across the aisle, and he's doing that, but he's holding a knife in his hand.


Maybe it's guilt over McCain's decades of voting for and evangelizing for the deregulation that brought on the crisis. Maybe he's desperate that the mob not look at his own record for the source of their troubles. Maybe he's simply angry because he sees his chance slipping away. Whatever it is, it's ugly. And getting uglier. Any decent candidate -- any decent human being -- would be working now to tamp down that ire, not raise it.


What McCain is doing is no more responsible than tossing lighted matches into a tinder dry forest. Someone is going to get burned.


Here's some more straight-talk, my friends:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJThPjvscFs
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The prison guards broke McCain, but he bounced back. In 2000, Bush broke McCain again and this time he stayed broken - no honor left. Sad.

Posted by: twstroud | October 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

popasmmoke, McCain himself admitted that they broke him down, but to be called collaborator or traitor he must've done something that resulted in harm to his country and his fellow man. I have not heard of any information that he gave the Vietnamese that was of any significance nor I heard of anything he have done that would jeopardize his country and his fellow man. I have never looked at McCain as a "great war hero", I always looked at him as a patriot and a veteran, but to call him a coward and a traitor is despicable.

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign wants Americans to believe that their candidate is a left-center Democrat, one that is politically acceptable as president. However, there are troubling associations that reveal Barack Obama’s radical leanings, and they appear to be his closest held beliefs rather than the current moderate viewpoints espoused on his website and in his speeches.

Since all candidates attack their opponents on numerous topics, these accusations may by default be relegated by many to their dustbin of irrelevancies. This is unfortunate, because these facts are not just mudslinging. They bring up truly troubling aspects of Obama that suggest that we perhaps do not know the man who would be president as well as we should. Are we to take him at his word?

OBAMA WON'T TALK ABOUT COLUMBIA AND HARVARD YEARS

It is well known that Barack Obama received his undergraduate education at Columbia University in New York City and attended law school at Harvard in Boston. However, virtually nothing is known about the senator’s years at these schools. Obama admits to being involved with drugs in these days, and it is suspected that he first met Bill Ayers, former leader of the Weather Underground, during his time at Columbia.

Obama’s first period in New York began in 1981 following two years at Occidental College in Los Angeles. He completed his BA in political science at Columbia in 1983 (Columbia is expensive – how did he pay for it?) and then spent two years working in two jobs in New York City. Obama, by all appearances, had fit into New York effectively. Why, then, after four years there, did he move to Chicago in 1985, a place where he seemingly had no acquaintances or connections?

Obama spent the next three years working as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project on the south side of Chicago. During this time, he apparently was quite effective in gaining advantages for the area residents. Still, we have to wonder why he decided to make this effort in Chicago rather than New York, where he had spent several years and had just as much need for these services.

At any rate, why is the Obama campaign reticent to discuss these key formative years? Why won’t they release his transcripts from Columbia or Harvard Law? (Harvard Law is really expensive – how did he pay for it?)

OBAMA'S TIES WITH AYERS ARE DISTURBING

For those who aren’t familiar with Ayers, he is a self-admitted domestic terrorist. His group, the Weather Underground, bombed numerous buildings in the early 1970s, including the US Capitol, the Pentagon, and New York City Police headquarters. Ayers turned himself in to authorities in 1980, but all charges against him were dismissed due to prosecutorial misconduct.

Bill Ayers is still an unapologetic radical. He described himself in 1995 as “a radical, leftist, small ‘c’ communist….The ethics of communism still appeal to me.” Furthermore, he has since repeated that he feels his actions against the Vietnam War were justified by his political views, and that he did not do enough to stop the war. (Since his actions against the war were primarily violent, one might infer that he regrets not doing more violence. Ayers denies this meaning, explaining that he wishes only that he had been able to have more impact on stopping the war.)

Obama ostensibly met Ayers at a luncheon meeting about school reform in Chicago. In 1993, Obama joined the nine-member board of directors of the Woods Foundation, an anti-poverty organization started in 1941. Ayers served on the board at the same time as Obama. Also, the two served on discussion panels together over the years as recently as 2002.

When Illinois State Senator Alice Palmer in 1995 introduced Obama as her chosen replacement, she did so at an event hosted at Ayers’ home.

Obama later served as president of the board of directors of the Chicago Annenburg Challenge (CAC), an education-related non-profit of which Ayers was one of the founders. The two apparently worked closely during the years 1995 through 2001 on this project. The project focused on “education reform,” but Ayers steered it into promoting radicalism among students rather than math, science, and reading improvements. This is consistent with remarks Ayers made, with Hugo Chavez at his side, to a November 2006 education forum in Caracas. In them, Ayers declared that “Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education – a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation.” He continued to raise his fist and in revolutionary style to shout, “Viva Presidente Chavez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”

Ayers and Obama live within three blocks of each other in the Hyde Park neighborhood of Chicago. However, there is no evidence that Ayers and Obama have been in significant contact since 2002. Obama admits to having seen Ayers sometime in 2006.

While it is possible that the relationship between Ayers and Obama is only tangential, these connections are curious. Obama’s dismissal of their relationship by stating that “I was eight years old” when Ayers committed his terrorist acts seems more like an attempt to trivialize the relationship than to explain it. He wasn’t eight years old when he decided to ally himself with Ayers. Obama would not have been appointed board president of the CAC without Ayers’ approval. While with the CAC, Obama oversaw the distribution of some $160 million in grants to Chicago area schools. It seems highly unlikely that Ayers would have entrusted this responsibility to him without knowing him well. Having his political career launched at Ayers’ home also seems somewhat cozy. Obama was in his thirties at that time; he could not have been unaware of Ayers’ past. At the least, being associated with Ayers raises serious questions about Obama’s judgment. Worse still, his connection with Ayers suggests that he may share Ayers’ radical views despite his public attempts to appear centrist.

Please note: this is not “guilt by association.” Obama knowingly chose to ally himself with Ayers, and he must have known both his past and his political leanings. Perhaps he chose this path only to gain temporary political advantage, but that thought raises questions of how sincere his current claims are.

WHAT DOES OBAMA REALLY BELIEVE? ASK WRIGHT

By now, nearly everyone is familiar with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, former senior pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. His firebrand rhetoric has been played numerous times on TV, with the cleric preaching “God D*mn America” and claiming that 9/11 was a case of “chickens coming home to roost” for America. In fact, these sound bites have actually marginalized Wright. Unfortunately, this is not what should be happening. Let’s recap the Obama-Wright affair:

March 2007 – Wright appears on Fox News Channel’s “Hannity and Colmes”. Co-host Sean Hannity points out that Obama attends Wright’s church, and he challenges Wright on the church’s “Black Value System,” suggesting that it is perhaps a racist document. (To see this document, visit http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114.) Wright vehemently disagrees, and states that Hannity cannot understand the document without being well read in black liberation theology (BLT), noting that he needs to read works by James Cone and Dwight Hopkins.

March 2008 – the video clips of Wright appear in the national news media. Obama claims that he was unaware of Wright’s extreme views (despite a nearly 20-year membership at Trinity). Obama claims to disagree with Wright’s extreme views on race and politics. He makes a now-famous speech in which he condemns Wright’s views, but refuses to disown him, saying he could no more disown him than disown the black community or his own (white) grandmother.

April 2008 – Wright interviews with Bill Moyers, then speaks to the NAACP in Detroit and the National Press Club. In these speeches, Wright racially differentiates black people from whites and causes the controversy to again emerge. Obama now fully condemns Wright and resigns his membership at Trinity in May 2008.

John McCain criticized attempts to use the Obama-Wright connection to political advantage. However, I believe that McCain is unaware of the full meaning of Obama’s long-standing membership at Trinity, as is the American public. The main clue comes from Wright’s March 2007 interview with Hannity. BLT is the theology followed at Trinity, and its modern founder is Dr. James Cone, who wrote the foundational books Black Theology and Black Power and A Black Theology of Liberation in the late 1960s. In these books, Cone lays out a theory that God is in favor only of oppressed people in the world and hates their oppressors. (The books can be difficult to read, since Cone usually means “oppressed people” when he writes “black people” and “oppressors” when he writes “white people,” but sometimes he is indeed referring to race.) Cone espouses any means necessary to eliminate the oppression that he sees in society, including violence. Here are some quotes to that effect:

"All white men are responsible for white oppression. It is much too easy to say, ‘Racism is not my fault,’ or ‘I am not responsible for the country’s inhumanity to the black man.’...But insofar as white do-gooders tolerate and sponsor racism in their educational institutions, their political, economic and social structures, their churches, and in every other aspect of American life, they are directly responsible for racism...Racism is possible because whites are indifferent to suffering and patient with cruelty."

"The demonic forces of racism are real for the black man. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man ‘the devil.’ The white structure of this American society, personified in every racist, must be at least part of what the New Testament meant by the demonic forces."

"Black theology cannot accept a view of God which does not represent God as being for oppressed blacks and thus against white oppressors. Living in a world of white oppressors, blacks have no time for a neutral God. The brutalities are too great and the pain too severe, and this means we must know where God is and what God is doing in the revolution. There is no use for a God who loves white oppressors the same as oppressed blacks. We have had too much of white love, the love that tells blacks to turn the other cheek and go the second mile. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of blacks to destroy their oppressors, here and now, by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject God’s love."

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

"The black theologian must reject any conception of God which stifles black self-determination by picturing God as a God of all peoples. Either God is identified with the oppressed to the point that their experience becomes God's experience, or God is a God of racism."

"Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity. God cannot be white even though white churches have portrayed him as white."

"To carve out a Black Theology based on black oppression will of necessity mean the creation of new values independent of and alien to the values of white society...They will be alien because white American ‘Christian’ values are based on racism."

"To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people!"

"If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist (or ‘the principalities and powers’), the white church seems to be a manifestation of it."

BLT followers may claim that these quotes are taken out of context, but they are not. They reflect accurately the sense of Cone’s books. (Remember to make the important translation of “black” and “white” when reading the quotes, if sensible.)

BLT is not a theology in the sense that most Christians consider the term. Primarily, it is far more political than most theologies. Most modern Christian theology focuses on the personal relationship between God and the individual and on God’s plan for the ultimate redemption of humankind through Jesus Christ. BLT instead focuses on redemption solely in terms of physical matters. It ignores countless biblical passages that refute its principles, instead cherry-picking out only agreeable sections. While many Americans may be reticent to hold religious views against a candidate, BLT is so political that it can hardly be ignored in understanding Obama’s political views.

In the end, how does Obama deflect the idea that he was a member of a church – for nearly 20 years – that sees the world almost exclusively in terms of conflict between oppressed people and their oppressors? Worse still, does Obama see America as still a racist nation? That seems a reasonable inference. What does such a worldview reveal about a man who would be president? How can one with such a worldview be the great uniter he claims to be? Is this the worldview that Americans want from their president?

Posted by: boyydz | October 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

jmk55,

That's not how credit and debt markets work and pinning the current problems on the CRA and Fannie/Freddie alone is naive and uninformed.

First and foremost, Fannie/Freddie don't guarantee the exotic no money down, no income documentation, interest only BS mortgages that compose a very high percentage of current delinquencies because those types of mortgages don't meet Freddie/Fannie underwriting standards.

Fannie/Freddie have a single digit percentage of delinquent mortgages on their books. Struggling commercial banks, like WaMu, had a double digit percentage of delinquent mortgages.

Banks and other financial institutions needed a way to reduce the risk of these exotic mortgages they were handing out and put capital back into the bank to increase their loan activities. This was done through the creation of Collateralized Debt Obligations which are derivatives built of dozens and hundreds of the exotic mortgages sliced and diced into bit and stuffed into a package. It the explanation sounds opaque, that's because it is. What made the CDO derivatives attractive for banks, hedge funds, pension funds etc. is the interest rates charged for these exotic mortgages is much higher than those charged by mortgages guaranteed by Fannie/Freddie due to the very nature of the mortgages: sketchy credit, no money down, no income verification, interest only, etc.

That leaves banks and other institutions holding these processed chunks of mortgages in large containers - the CDO derivative - not truly understand what the Collateral is (risky, exotic mortgages) but VERY interested in the high rate of return due to the high interest on the mortgages themselves. Companies peddle these CDO derivatives promised investors high returns with no risk, an oxymoron in investing circles. Like anything else in life, you don't get something for nothing. In investing you don't higher rates of return without commensurate rates of risk.

Commercial banks, like WaMu, had a large amount Collateralized Debt Obligation Derivatives built on those exotic mortgages that they claimed as valuable assets on their books. When the markets for those derivative CDOs dried up, the value of those CDOs went to zero and caused huge liquidity problems because banks and other institution's balance sheets were out of whack because of the lack of value of CDO derivatives and low cash reserves.

But, what caused the market for CDO to dry up? The simple answer is that many of the people who bought homes with these exotic mortgages, especially the 5/1 ARM type notes, were unable to meet their mortgage payments when their interest rates skyrocketed after the introductory period. As more of these exotic mortgages went into to default, banks began tightening lending standards to shore up their balance sheets which prevented many of the people with exotic mortgages from refinancing and using the equity in their homes as a down payment on the refinancing. This led to even more delinquencies and the problem than began to feed on itself. All of these non-paying delinquent mortgages meant that the money promised to the owners of the CDO derivatives built on exotic mortgages wasn't coming in. They became non-performing assets and then the market for them dried up and they became in the eyes of the market, worthless. An expensive asset like a CDO that a bank had purchased for real cash now was on their books for essentially zero value which causes huge asset and cash reserve problems for the banks and institutions to meet SEC and FED requirements for reserves.

Second, Fannie/Freddie do not set banking policy and capital reserve standards for banks and other financial institutions, that is done by the SEC and The Fed.

Third, Fannie/Freddie don't define acceptable risk management practices for banks and other financial institutions, that is done by the SEC and the Fed.

A combination of the failure of non-guaranteed exotic mortgages along with an unregulated marketplace for derivative instruments made up of those of those exotic mortgages coupled with looser risk management and capital reserve requirements defined directly by Fed Chairman Greenspan, Bush SEC appointee William Donaldson and a lack of oversight by Donaldson and that current SEC Chairman Christopher Cox freely acknowledges got us where we are today.

It isn't ACORN or the CRA or even Fannie/Freddie, it's bad risk management practices by banks for mortgages not eligible for Fannie/Freddie backing, lack of responsible oversight and regulation and, most importantly a lack of capital reserves that have caused the market implosion.

But the biggest reason of all is the oldest one, pure, unadulterated human greed by all parties involved, people taking out exotic mortgages, the mortgage brokers writing them, the banks selling them, the companies marketing the CDO derivatives and the investors who bought them. Everyone was greedy and reckless and now that reckless greed is blowing up in their faces.

It's a rather sad, sordid tale in the end. It reminds of the Junk Bond market implosion in the mid-80s, the exact same reasons and the exact same causes. Risky debt sold to people who believed they'd get high returns with little risk. It didn't work then and it isn't working now.

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"As much as I despise the man I felt sorry for him. He just looked like a tired old man. A man who have been worn down by this campaign and a million miles away from a man capable of beginning the immensely difficult job of president. He is just to old in ideas and self."

I guess the biggest tragedy is that he sold his values and soul in order to become the president and now it looks like that he's not even going to get the payoff.

Make's Hillary's $20 million campaign debt seem absolutely minuscule in comparison.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse
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I wish I had saved that picture, His wife had her head on his shoulder and he was just expressionless lost in his thoughts. After this campaign he needs to go back to his home for a long rest, not to the white house. Any rational person watching this man the last few weeks would have to say the same.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"As much as I despise the man I felt sorry for him. He just looked like a tired old man. A man who have been worn down by this campaign and a million miles away from a man capable of beginning the immensely difficult job of president. He is just to old in ideas and self."

I guess the biggest tragedy is that he sold his values and soul in order to become the president and now it looks like that he's not even going to get the payoff.

Make's Hillary's $20 million campaign debt seem absolutely minuscule in comparison.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse


Reading some of your comments regarding McCain's war record and accusing him of being a fake, collaborator and a lier makes me sick to my stomach. All of you making these accusations are so dumb and hateful that it makes you despicable. If you were brave to take an IQ test, I bet you would end up owing points!!!
I hope Obama becomes YOUR president, and not because he deserves it, but because you deserve him. Hopefully, the unemployment offices will be out of business then:)

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse
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I have known all this stuff for a long time but read this article. You don't have to even buy the magazine it is on line. I know you will not like what it has t say but you should at least give yourself the chance to widen you frame of reference.


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Having nothing left to lose, Mccain will either be his usual coward self, or go nuts make a public display that will be beyond embarrassment. Either way it will be Mccains last hurah. When at his best, Mccain is not a very smart man, that's just a fact. I have a feeling Obama may get him to go off on Wed and be reduces to the stumbling fool he is. I have to say, the other night after the debate when I saw Mccain hug his wife and the beat tired look on his face as they left. As much as I despise the man I felt sorry for him. He just looked like a tired old man. A man who have been worn down by this campaign and a million miles away from a man capable of beginning the immensely difficult job of president. He is just to old in ideas and self.

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Stick a fork in McCain, he's done!

Obama has already essentially called McCain a "coward" for not mentioning Ayers, Rezko, and/or Wright to his face during the debates.

If McCain rants on about Ayers, Rezko, and Wright, in the next and final debate while Obama does a soft-counterpunch to McCain while extensively focusing on the economic hardships of the middle-class with a few small but good economic solutions, McCain will look old and petty.

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

VMR1, Yes, 95% percent works to make 5% rich. If someone does not like it, they can try to become a part of this 5%. Someone always has to work for someone, and someone is always better off than someone else. I see nothing wrong with that. it is also true, that many jobs are leaving the country, but many of them would belly up if they didn't. Thank the unions and 25/hr salaries for punch press operators. I don't think that you understand the fundamentals of capitalism and you would want to have it both ways - you can't.

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

dbw1 |

"fantasy of that socialist state coming to America."

What does "DBW"? Dumb But White?

The only reason it didn't come to America was because of 1) it didn't have a Lenin-like figure and 2)brutal suppression of the labor movements by the owners of this country, through police brutality and tens of thousands of hired mercenaries.

The show trial of Sacco & Vanzetti - does that ring the bell? I sometimes wonder where Joseph Stalin got his ideas for political show trials of the 1930s.

Also, you should thank the genius of FDR for saving America from itself in 1933 and from the painful ideological and class wars.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

By the way, looking at RCP results in 2004, their method had correctly predicted the results of 49 states. The only difference was Wisconsin which RCP had going to Bush by 0.3, but ended up going to Kerry in the end.

Of course, there are a lot more undecided voters today than there were four years ago, so the close RCP races might be harder to forecast.

And of course, it is all the more reason to get everyone you know to vote Obama today. You can't change your mind once your vote is cast.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 10, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Reading some of your comments regarding McCain's war record and accusing him of being a fake, collaborator and a lier makes me sick to my stomach. All of you making these accusations are so dumb and hateful that it makes you despicable. If you were brave to take an IQ test, I bet you would end up owing points!!!
I hope Obama becomes YOUR president, and not because he deserves it, but because you deserve him. Hopefully, the unemployment offices will be out of business then:)

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse
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I am sorry to say it is true.

by Col. David H. Hackworth
John McCain is being hailed by the press as a "genuine war hero." But is he a war hero in the conventional sense like Audie Murphy and John Glenn?
Or is his "war hero" status the creation of a very slick publicity campaign that plays on flag, duty, honor and country?
For sure, McCain has the fruitsalad a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars , two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service gongs.
On a purely medal count basis, he outweighs Murphy and Glenn, who both for years repeatedly performed extraordinary deeds on the ground or in the air against an armed enemy.
McCain's valor awards are based on what happened in 1967, when during his 23d mission over Vietnam, he was shot down, seriously injured, captured and then spent 5 1/2 brutal years as a POW.
In an attempt to find out exactly what the man did to earn these many hero awards, I asked his Senate office three times to provide copies of the narratives for each medal. I'm still waiting.
I next went to the Pentagon. Within a week, I received a recap of his medals and many of the narratives that give the details of what he did.
None of the awards, less the DFC, were for heroism over the battlefield where he spent no more than 20 hours. Two Naval officers described the awards as "boilerplate" and "part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnamera) POWs."
McCain's Silver Star narrative for the period 27 October 1967 the day after he was shot down to 8 December 1968 reads: "His captors… subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly towards the eventual abandonment…" of such harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese.
Yet in McCain's own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors "O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
A Vietnam vet detractor says, "He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy!"
The rest of his valor awards issued automatically every year while he was a POW read much like the Silver Star. More boilerplate often repeating the exact same words. An example: "By his heroic endeavors, exceptional skill, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces."
Yet McCain's conduct while a POW negates these glowing comments. The facts are that he signed a confession and declared himself a "black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate." This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement.
Accounts by McCain and other writers tell of the horror he endured: relentlessly beatings, torture, broken limbs. All inflicted during savage interrogations. Yet no other POW was a witness to these accounts. 
A former POW says "No man witnessed another man during interrogations… We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell."
The U.S. Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there are no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors. And they're not talking.
Our POWs in Vietnam were treated appallingly. The Viets would either break a POW or kill him. POWs provided info beyond name, rank and serial number or they didn't come back.
Based on these stalwart men's horrific experiences, the Code of Conduct has been changed. A POW says, "Now the training is to give them something… don't risk permanent damage to health, mind or body." 
McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his U.S. POW commander and he "just followed orders."
McCain certainly doesn't appear to be a war hero by conventional standards, but rather a tough survivor whose handlers are overplaying the war hero card.
David H. Hackworth died in June 2005, he was a much-decorated and highly unconventional former career Army officer who became a combat legend in Vietnam. Col. Hackworth received 78 combat awards — including a Distinguished Service Cross, a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and eight Purple Hearts — during his 25-year military career which spanned the Korean and Vietnam wars..

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Stick a fork in McCain, he's done!

Obama has already essentially called McCain a "coward" for not mentioning Ayers, Rezko, and/or Wright to his face during the debates.

If McCain rants on about Ayers, Rezko, and Wright, in the next and final debate while Obama does a soft-counterpunch to McCain while extensively focusing on the economic hardships of the middle-class with a few small but good economic solutions, McCain will look old and petty.

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

This ACORN stuff is about as silly as it gets. A small grassroots org is all it is--but the wingers are so unhinged they're grabbing at very tiny straw.

Posted by: drindl | October 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Since a Palin rally has already occurred during which one of her rabble, referring to Obama, screamed out "Kill him!" -- which provoked no censure from the great white hunter, just one of Palin's trademark smirks -- I'm willing to bet that, before election day, the McPain Campaign WILL produce one or more uses of the "N" word, I would guess most likely from Palin herself (though I have no illusions that McCain is above such thoughts himself; and in his increasing enfeeblement, fear, and desperation, stupid thoughts turn into stupid, publicly-uttered words all too easily).

It used to be a comforting thought that "Americans get the President they deserve." Not THIS time around -- McPain uses the fear and mindlessness of the mob just like many former players on the national stage: Herbert Hoover, Father Coughlin (look it up), Charles Lindgergh, Strom Thurmond, Tailgunner Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, and -- most recently and pertinently -- George WMD Bush. Joe SixPack, so wrapped up in his own egocentric pursuits (Oh my God, "Dancing With The Stars" is on tonight!) that he's willing to let political pundits with axes to grind and soap to sell do his thinking for him, just parrots Rush or Glenn Beck, or Kristol, O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson, or any other number of low-functioning demagogues, and thinks he's done his duty to "Country First!"

How about PEOPLE first? White people, black people, brown people, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, Hindus, Christians of every un-Christian-like warring faction.We are all in the same frighteningly mortal boat. We're all X number of paychecks or medical emergencies from homelessness and ruin.

Is this the time to accept -- as Palin does -- that "kill him" is an acceptable part of a party's political message? If that time has come, then America is not the place the founders envisioned, not the place that countless public-spirited men, women, and children have fought to bring into being. That's MY America. It is obviously NOT the America of John McCain and Sarah Palin, and their self-absorbed mob. Their motto isn't "America First!", not by a long shot, Their motto is "ME First!"

So tear yourself away from the TV for a moment and ask yourself: Is the "ME First!" America the America we want, for ourselves, and for our children, and grandchildren? The answer will be revealed in one month.

Posted by: bbrown95 | October 10, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

It's just one poll, so make of it what you will...

McCain +3...in GEORGIA

Also, Obama's lead is back up to 6.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 10, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain's moral cowardice has been one of the subtexts of this campaign ever since he wound up the nomination and turned his attention to Barack Obama. But I did not realize it would reveal itself in such a physical dimension.


The tell came this week as McCain unearthed the Ayers story which, for whatever its merits, was fully aired months ago and has no clear relation to the particulars of October other than McCain's collapsing poll numbers. He's on it. Palin's on it. He's releasing slashing new Ayers TV ads and both he and Palin are ginning their crowds up into spiraling gyres of right-wing delirium -- a ready-made Lord of the Flies (and let's admit that's a gentle allusion, given the tone of these rightwing lunitic fringers) if Obama happened into one of the auditoriums at the wrong moment.


McCain even swaggered on for a couple days about how he was going to 'take the gloves off' when he met up with Obama in Nashville. But when the two of them were there in each others physical presence ... nothing. By a myriad of gestures and reactions Obama owned him.


Nor is it a matter of shifting off the tactics, because as soon as McCain made his hasty retreat from the stage at Debate #2 he was right back at it. In every other aspect of life, high and low, refined and unlovely, we have a word for that kind of behavior: COWARDICE.


And now Obama can taunt McCain with that very cowardice, his inability to just say it to his face. And if my take on the inner workings of McCain's mind at the moment is right that should simply unhinge him even more.
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Stocks extend huge losses to 8th straight day (AP)


Obama extends his poll lead for ninth straight day."

Yeah, it would do people a lot of good to get out there and talk to people. There are a lot of people out there who are really hurting and are desperate for change. I've been calling people in Ohio and Florida and have been hearing all these stories from families who are just struggling to make ends meet and caring for sick family members and finding a job and keeping their home. It can be really heartbreaking.

But its also the motivation to sit and make some more calls and make sure people get out there and vote.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed, how many people actually think that our current economic situation is all because of Bush. Come on folks, it started during Carter, and the more ACORN grew in power and the more support it received from democrats, the more risky mortgages were given. How could republicans stand for giving people making 30-40K mortgages for 150-200 bucks??? Aren't they all for the rich? It was the democratic party that insisted on spreading the American Dream, that is now turning into American Nightmare. Nancy Pellosi calling this crisis "a result of Bush' failed economic policy" is as ignorant and naive as Nancy Pellosi herself

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The ad Cilliza describes has alzheimers just like McCain himself.

Posted by: McCainIsPopeye | October 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk wrote:

"there is one silver lining in the dark cloud of liberalism. "

Yes, Zouk, the silver lining is responsible fiscal policy, an end to deficit spending, equitable tax policies, upholding the rule of law and not trampling peoples' constitution rights (like listening in the U.S. Military calling home from Iraq), not lying to the American public to lead us into a war, not failing to deliver on the promise to get bin Laden, the fair and sensible regulation of financial markets, business and consumer protections, not violating civil service laws with political ideology litmus tests.

Actually, that's a whole bunch of silver linings in the black cloud of gloom 8 years of Republican incompetence and malfeasance have left to this country.

You're right about one thing, if the politicians don't do what they promise, we can toss them to the curb; just like we're going to do on Nov. 4th.

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 10, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think his friends are all mad bombers,
I wonder if he dined with dhamer?

Posted by: king_of_zouk
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Love it! The King both dances and writes poetry. I knew the Obama/Dhamer tie would be made at some point, but you're the first I've seen to make it. Long live the King's imagination!

Posted by: Axel1 | October 10, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Liar's poker hands:

John McCain; Ace, Ace, Ace, Ace, Joker

Barak Obama; 10, 10, 10, 2, 2

Actual Hands:

John McCain; 4, 5, 6, 7, Q

Barak Obama: 10, 10, 10, J, J

Posted by: foothillbill | October 10, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

All the posters here have just slid down Rush Limabaugh's poop chute onto these pages to spread their 'slime' and odor.

Posted by: McCainIsPopeye | October 10, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Rather than blustering like Popeye, the sailor man has one, and only one, chance to win the election.

I actually typed it, then deleted that part of my post because they're not smart enough to figure it out.

Suffice it to say, negative campaigning won't work for him.

The times make the man. And these times are well beyond magoo, the man. aka Popeye.

Posted by: McCainIsPopeye | October 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

there is one silver lining in the dark cloud of liberalism. After Obama and the other two stooges Pelousy and Reid ruin the country unabated for the next two years, the voters will be starkly reminded what liberals do to a country.

As if the housing crisis wasn't evidence enough.

the result will be another repub domination for a decade or so. I just hope we can undo the damage. Still trying to get over the carter years, after all this time. and yet, carter returns under a new name.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Hello Michael

Still doing a sheeple and promulgating 'fear' of Obama, well luke warm 'fear' I should say, unlike 'NewsMax' who have linked Obama to Mohamed[sic] Atta and called him "the dangerous one".

What a load of b*llocks.

Mark Golding
Children of Iraq Association

Posted by: coiaorguk | October 10, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

jmk55 said:

"5% of top tax payers carry over 58% of all federal income taxes burden and create anywhere from 90-95% of all American jobs."

It is the 95% of Americans who work for the top 5% that create wealth in this country....95% of which is then swiftly expropriated from them by the top 5%.

But now, the top 5% don't even need Americans to make them wealthy. They can employ millions of the Chinese, Malaysisans, Indonesians, Mexicans, and others to make them super-wealthy. They give it a nice euphemism - Globalization.

As the great late George Carlin might've said: Everytime they wanna f...k you in the a.., they give it a nice euphemism, e.g. "rightsizing", "recession", "globalization", "surcharge", "excise tax", "levy", "Patriot Act", "public safety measures", etc.
With the explicit approval and collaboration of the Republican Party, I might add.

No to Bush! No to McShlimazel! No to McBarbie. No to Republican Party!. No to globalization! Yes, to capitalism with a human face in America. Yes to parliamentary political system in America! Yes to a democratic civilization in America! Yes to majority/coalition rule! Yes to vote of no confidence mechanism! Yes to runoff elections!

"Socialism was given a try and it failed. Beware of it - I lived in it for 20 years and trust me, you do not want any part of it!!!"

I lived in it for 18 years and I know that it failed for the very same reasons capitalism is failing in America - ENTROPY of ideology, criminals taking over control of the economy and the government, and eventual collapse under the weight of accumulated contradictions and lies.

That's why a healthy and proper combination of the two (or three or four , or five) is the only possible solution to be arrived at.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The republicans have already wrecked the economy. What is happening now is a direct result of an incompetent boy-king president and a rubber stamp congress with 12 years of no oversight. This is the ultimate result of so-called 'conservative; ideology--but of course one of the main tenets of modern conservatism if blaming somebody, anybody, for your own f*ckups -- a culture of whiners and crybabies.

Posted by: drindl | October 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

It really doesn't matter what McCain does, or what the clown princess Palin says -- they're still gonna lose the election; Obama still will be the President-Elect. Get over it.

Nothing surprises me about the ignorance we continue to see during the campaigning. The illegality, back-door, sneaky stuff has already started.

Just go and vote, folks. This is a new day...

Posted by: ntlekt | October 10, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

We are witnessing a great tragedy. John McCain is a rat pushed into a corner, blustering, hissing, clawing - what is next? ..........
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/10/john-mccain-is-dangerous/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I never said McCain was a coward during Vietnam. But he is now because his campaign is dishonest and cheap and underhanded.

Posted by: drindl | October 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27,

I'm me dude. Don't know those other folks.

Plus, I'm voting for Obama. Why would the RNC support me?

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If this market anticipation of an Obama victory doesn't end soon, Obama wil be ruling over a wrecked economy.

I am pretty sure he intended to do this AFTER he was elected.

Darn market, always predicting the future. Doh!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a coward. He won't look Obama in the eye, he won't accuse of associating with terrorists or anything else --to his face.

He is old and weak and washed up. and a coward.

Posted by: drindl | October 10, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I wish the anti-McCain forces would layoff the McCain isn't a war hero rhetoric. It isn't factual, it's disgraceful and it undermines legitimate arguments against McCain and his policies. Plus, Bush/Rove did the exact same thing and look where that led America.

While I disagree vehemently with many of McCain's policies and those of his party, McCain served his country to the best of his ability and was undeniably tortured in North Vietnam.

Questioning McCain's wartime patriotism and calling him a coward during his years of captivity brings your posts down to the same level as the GOP/RNC smears against Obama.

Obama will win on the merits of his policies and plans for the future. His supporters don't need to join McCain's supporters in the gutter of sleazy innuendo.

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 10, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 = AsperGirl = flyfishchef

Does the RNC actually pay for all of your alias changes?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 10, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY! Equal opportunites. Not equal outcomes.

You liberals would do well to heed the history lesson Axel1 just shared with us.

Posted by: dbw1
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Left or right, this is American orthodoxy. It's just the details we don't agree on. But resentments build up when one side starts claiming that the other "hates America". No one on this thread -- as exhibited by the passion -- hates America. That's why it's wrong for the McCain campaign to imply Obama doesn't love his country, or even that Ayers doesn't.

Politics, as everyone knows, is a contact sport. Name calling is part of game. But that doesn't make it right. And as a tactic this time, I don't think it will work for McCain.

Posted by: Axel1 | October 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

And in reply to that:
It's really ironic, is it not? When Bush was behind McCain in 2000 he resorted to slurs on McCain's character. Now that McCain is behind he is doing the same to Obama.

Wrong! Bush never referred to McCain as McDumb, McSame, collaborator, lier, coward, lier, traitor, do I need to keep going? Did you ever hear Bush calling him any of these names???

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Really?!?!


Barack Obama once sat on the same school board with a man who had done bad things when Obama was eight years old, and that means Obama hates America. Do I have that straight?!?!


So, my only question for McCain now:


Is this the best you can do?!?!


Twenty one years in the Senate, two terms in the House, twenty two years in the Navy, and lest we forget five years as a POW, and this is it? This is the way that John Sidney McCain III, son and grandson of admirals decides to exit stage far, far right?


Unable to defend his stance on the issues, unwilling to follow the rules of honor he claimed to endorse, undone by his own anger and shadows from his past, this man, this self-proclaimed maverick goes for the sidelines with the most embarrassing series of schoolyard taunts and sophomoric smears in modern times. How crass. How despicable. How utterly and deeply pathetic.


Pitiful is the word, really, both in the sense of contemptible and in arousing a kind of sick feeling of concern. To have done and seen so much, to have had so many opportunities, to have been given a second chance long after most men had given up the game. And then to spend it this way.


"Country First"....my arse.


Pitiful.
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 10, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

There are now late breaking reports of both the FBI and Secret Service getting volved. Apparently, there is a tape of a howling mob calling for the assassinatin of Obama with Palin appearing to encourage individuals screaming that.

PLUS - There is another investiggation (see the CBS wensite) of Palin and Troopergate. Apparently, she thought she had rigged the sealing of the committee filing that had her deeply involved and subject to a criminal investigation. Her campaigns too early release of her "innocence" sparked the undoing of that. Apparently the toxic Banbie is going to go the way of Wall Street on the evening news.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 10, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

(Yeah, I looked up Zouk, too, but I'm sticking with Dr. Suess given your extravagant imagination.)

Posted by: Axel1


I would not vote, for that loon,
I'd rather have him on the moon.

I can't afford his crazy spending,
I don't approve his baseless lending.

I think his friends are all mad bombers,
I wonder if he dined with dhamer?

his accomplishments are really lacking,
his opposition bent on attacking,

I would not, could not support that fool,
I'm not convinced he's all that cool.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

It's still astonishing to me how the McCain-Palin campaign are playing the media.

The HOURS of free air time this newspaper and every other media outlet has given any scurrilous or ridiculous charge McCain-Palin come up with! It's worth millions of dollars.

Sarah Palin won't even give an interview. Yet, the media chumps happily broadcast her hate-rallies.

Incredible. It's called "earned media" for a reason. You have to actually SHOW UP for an interview, or propose and actual IDEA. McCain-Palin have done neither, yet are showered with groveling press daily.

Posted by: kay5 | October 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Stocks extend huge losses to 8th straight day (AP)


Obama extends his poll lead for ninth straight day.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I keep asking the opponents of socialism on this board why they are supporting McCain, but I never get an answer. McCain has voted for and supports the biggest government takeover of the financial system since the 1930's. He has given the Treasury the power to control every bank and financial institution in the country. If you don't want socialism, why would you support that?

If you guys have a shred of honesty in your character, you will admit that McCain wants to be president so badly that he will do anything -- even agree to socialism -- if that will get him votes. Is that really the man you want as president?

Posted by: continental46@aol.com | October 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama can play dumb all he wants, but his wife Michelle absolutely knew who Ayers and his wife were. She grew up in Chicago.

Bill Ayers wife, Bernadine Dohrn, worked with Michelle Obama at Sidley Austin Law Firm in the 1980's?!

Posted by: nickyle | October 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Keep fiddling Nero McCain while the world burns around you.

The Dow is down 20% this week and the savings and retirements of millions of Americans are being wiped out but by all means keep talking about "associations".

While you're doing that, perhaps you should also show the American public that you have even a semblance of a plan to address market volatility. Your "mortgage purchase plan" is another cynical HUGE Republican hand out to big business, the financial industry in this case, buying mortgages at face value and having the tax payers eat the difference of TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS between face value and present value of those mortgages without forcing the banks to recognize the loss. Your plans force the financial pain of recognizing the loss on to the U.S. Treasury while adding another $300 Billion to the National Debt while you give even more tax breaks to the wealthiest 1% of Americans. That's right John. Reading your plan on your website shows that you want the American taxpayer to pay for yet another multi-billion dollar taxpayer funded handout to big business Republican campaign contributors.


No thank you, Senator McCain. I've had enough of your irresponsible Republican tax policies and tens of billions of dollars in corporate welfare for Republican big business campaign contributors over the past 8 years. I'm anxious for a return of responsible Democratic tax policies like we had at the end of the 1990s when the Treasury ran at a surplus and was paying down the national debt rather than doubling the national debt like you and your fellow Republicans have done since 2000 in addition to saddling the taxpayer with a $500 Billion deficit.

Since you're always on about what a "Maverick" anti-government waste crusader you are, your results over the past 8 years under a Republican President, 6 of those years under a Republican Senate are a testimony to your mediocrity and ineffectiveness at accomplishing anything resembling your claims. Your self professed crusade against wasteful government have resulted in nothing but irresponsible tax cuts, huge budget deficits, doubling the nation debt and massively increased government spending. Your claims of reform ring hollow as judged on the evidence in the budget bills of the past 8 years.

Keep lying about how Dems blocked the bill you signed on to a year after its introduction in the Republican controlled Senate Banking Committee. The fact is, your fellow Republicans were against the bill as well or it would have made it out of the committee for vote. If you cannot get a bill out of Republican controlled committee for a vote in a Republican controlled Senate, you are an ineffective leader and poor legislator.

Keep lying about how Fannie/Freddie are the cause of all the current problems when there is only a single digit percentage of their loans that are delinquent unlike the irresponsible commercial banks with their double digit delinquencies on the "exotic", like the no documentation, no down payment interest only mortgages that Fannie/Freddie would NOT guarantee. Then attempt to explain to the American public how a single digit percentage of delinquent loans from two private mortgage guarantors could collapse the entire global economy.

Keep remaining conspiratorially silent on your "economic brain" Phil Gramm's direct irrefutable responsibility for the financial crisis through his sneaking the 292 page Commodity Futures Modernization Act into a 11,000 page appropriations bill on the last hour of a Senate session before the holidays which enabled the trading in derivatives such as Credit Default Swaps which destroyed AIG, Lehman Bros, Morgan Stanley and dozens of other banks.

Explain to the American public why Phil's bill that expressly prohibited responsible oversight of derivatives trading was good for the American public since the collapse in value of these very derivatives is what has caused the global market meltdown due to them being sold all over the world.

Explain to the American public your unwavering enabling support of Alan Greenspan's position that financial markets are self-regulating and repeated blocking of responsible market oversight was not another key enabling factor in the global market meltdown.

Explain to the American public how your oft-repeated stance against responsible regulation and oversight of the financial markets did not enable banks and financial institutions to get away with wildly irresponsible risk management practices because they knew no one was watching them; just like unsupervised kids in a candy store.

Explain to the American public your oft-repeated sentiment that are a deregulator and against government regulation of the financial industry and many other industries leading to an erosion of consumer protections and health and safety standards directly resulting in the deaths of thousands of Americans as a result of outbreaks of food-borne illnesses and improperly researched drugs.

But keeping talking about Ayers, Wright, Rezko and whomever else you wish. Your attempt to change the subject only exposes you and your policies for the hollow, empty shells they are. Your slide in public opinion polls gets worse by the day. Your insistence on talking about Obama's associates rather than real issues affecting the middle class while your poll numbers tumble shows that, like your pal George W. Bush, you are unable and unwilling to change a failing course out of stubbornness and hubris.

Yes, Senator, please keep talking about Ayers and the rest of that nonsense while the world and your campaign crash and burn around you. Thankfully, the public only has to listen to your lying, irrelevant nonsense for another three weeks.

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

King Zouk -- I've been reading your posts this week with a mix of incredulity and admiration for your imagination. Your alternate world is full and detailed. Then the epiphany -- your name, the mental flamboyance: You live in Dr. Suess world! That's cool.

(Yeah, I looked up Zouk, too, but I'm sticking with Dr. Suess given your extravagant imagination.)

Posted by: Axel1 | October 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

In reply to this:
**********Reading some of your comments regarding McCain's war record and accusing him of being a fake, collaborator and a lier makes me sick to my stomach. All of you making these accusations are so dumb and hateful that it makes you despicable. If you were brave to take an IQ test, I bet you would end up owing points!!!**********

I'd like to point out that the Bush campaign in 2000 used the same slurs about McCain's war record and alleged collaboration with the North Vietnamese to defeat him in the South Carolina primary after McCain won in New Hampshire. Did you yell at Bush and his supporters for doing that, or is it only bad when Democrats do it?

It's really ironic, is it not? When Bush was behind McCain in 2000 he resorted to slurs on McCain's character. Now that McCain is behind he is doing the same to Obama.

Posted by: continental46@aol.com | October 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Socialism.......the rallying cry of the ultimate conservative cop-out!
It's a word. The process is already deeply entrenched in America. The GOP helped it grow and they are benefitting from it as they, "privatize", it's administration and subjugate the tax payers with its burgeoning bureaucratic complexities.
Why do the taxes always fall on the working class under GOP guidance? Why is our, "free market", being pillaged by CEO types and top share holders?
Get a clue. The John McCains of this country are living like the monarchs of old Europe. The few remaining crumbs they leave us are barely worth fighting for any more.
Theirs isn't a government of the people for the people, unless you are in the top 8%. If so they will meet you at the country club Saturday night.
Peasants will be fed leftovers at the kitchen entrance after 20:00 hours. Don't miss out.

Posted by: foothillbill | October 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is a devoted husband and loving father of two beautiful little girls. He graduated at the top his his class at Columbia and Harvard Law School. Whereas McCain is an adulterous fraud that deserted his first wife to marry a strung out, pill popping Beer Heiress half his age. After McCain's father pulled some strings to get the Class Dunce into the Naval Academy, he finished dead last in his class. As for Palin and her White Trash family, when Sasha and Malia Obama are sixteen you can rest assured that they will be preparing to enter an Ivy League University, rather than getting knocked up and becoming a pregnant High School drop-out.

Posted by: shiva7 | October 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Short Sellers in the stock market are pricing in Obama’s victory.

SOCIALISM = KEEP YOU MONEY UNDER THE MATTRESS

LIBERAL BLOGS DENY ACCESS TO THEIR BLOG SITE, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE OBAMA’S BRAINWASHING.

BAD ECONOMY + NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH = COMMUNISM

I’VE BEEN THERE. NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain wouldn't mention Ayers at the debate. If he did, Obama would immediately explain on prime-time national TV, how dumb it is to make this connection. That would be the end of the story. However, this way, McCain gets to keep making the same dumb argument, unchallenged, over and over, at campaign rallys. This is the typical GOP strategy; When you can't argue with the message, smear the messenger. McCain is just more of the same.

Posted by: JimZ1 | October 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:
"I'll do it once you show me where Obama professes that love for socialism himself."

Scroll down and find the idiotic posts by VMR1. This wasn't about Obama embracing socialism. This was about VMR1, who grew up in a socialist country, espousing a fantasy of that socialist state coming to America.


Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin playing the "Terrorist" card goes beyond mere campaign sleaze.....


I'm not sure what it would take to convince Palin and McCain that insinuating another candidate for the presidency might somehow be a secret terrorist is a very, very bad idea. America has had plenty of experience with right-wing militia nuts and paranoid loners over the last few decades; it should be transparently obvious that sneeringly inciting crowds to such an extent is a dangerous game for Palin and McCain to be playing. Palin, especially, should be damn well aware of it, given her and her husband's past uncomfortable closeness to militia figures in Alaska.


To put it plainly, inciting right wing crowds to consider an American presidential candidate a "terrorist" isn't merely dirty politics or otherwise unseemly -- it comes uncomfortably close to implicitly encouraging actual violence. And that "uncomfortably close" part is putting the most charitable possible face on it.
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I'm sure there's no way we can make them stop, or even tone down their at this point intensely personalized, intensely spiteful rhetoric. They are immune to shame, or even common sense; this is the last desperate hour of the McCain campaign, and Palin was selected specifically because she could make these sorts of sleazy, least-common-denominator appeals to a far-rightwing lunitic fringe base that needs it, in order to feel good about voting for McCain.


But I think an adequate karmic retribution for Palin would be, if and when Obama is elected, for her to be made his personal assistant and be ankle-chained to him every time he leaves the White House -- so that whatever happens to Obama during his presidency happens to her as well. Maybe then she'd gain a shred of introspection into how much you should or shouldn't actively incite idiots, already paranoid, explicitly racist Republican crowds into thinking that an American president is an enemy of the state.
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Axel1:
"[Benjamin Franklin] came from nothing and wanted a country where all Americans would have equal opportunities."

EXACTLY! Equal opportunites. Not equal outcomes.

You liberals would do well to heed the history lesson Axel1 just shared with us.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse


popasmoke
Thank you for noticing my comment. I do not know how far back each of us is remembering (or is ). The nastiness and brutishness of today's campaigns far surpasses anything in the Eisenhower campaigns. Nixon pulled quite a bit against Kennedy but it was not full bore lies and nastiness in every type of media available. It would actually have shocked people in those days! :-)

Posted by: Akamai1 | October 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Apparantly the capabilities of "popasmoke" and "DrainYou" are limited to using the cut-and-paste function on their browser.

Fella's, if we want your opinion, we'll ask the liberal blogs to post it for you from now on so it will save you some time.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The headline of this article is about Pandora's box. Going back to the myth, after the box was opened and all the evils were unleashed on the world the box was closed. There was a knock from the inside and there was one more thing to be released to counter what had come out before. That was hope and hope here and now is Obama and hope will prevail over hate.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | October 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

the ongoing corruption of Liberals. more to come:

As to Mr. Dodd, Mr. Feinberg says he spoke to the Senator once or twice and mostly to his wife and that like other FOAs Mr. Dodd got "a float down," which means that even after he had a preferred rate, when the prevailing rate dropped just before the closing, his rate was reduced again. Regular borrowers would pay extra for a last-minute adjustment, but not FOAs. "They were aware of it because they were notified and when they went to the closing they would see it," Mr. Feinberg says, adding that he "always let people in the program know that they were getting a very good deal because they were 'Friends of Angelo.'" All of this matters because Mr. Dodd was one of those encouraging Fan and Fred to plunge into "affordable housing" loans made by companies like Countrywide.

One indicator of his influence is the $165,400 in campaign contributions -- more than to any other politician -- that Fan and Fred have given him since 1989, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. These contributions are legal. But favors like those Mr. Dodd is alleged to have received may not be. Mr. Feinberg says he went public with his story because when he heard Senator Dodd on TV talking about predatory lending, he felt it was "hypocritical" and he says, "I just thought, 'This is wrong.'"

Mr. Dodd hasn't yet released his copies of the mortgage documents, though he promised to do so more than two months ago. His office told us this week they'd get back to us on that. Meanwhile, presumably the Justice Department can have Mr. Feinberg's Countrywide documents, if it's interested.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Then perhaps you would like to humor us, open an American history textbook (assuming you know what that is, which might be a reach on my part), and show us where any of America's founders ever described their 'fantasy of a socialist country' that you 'savor'."

I'll do it once you show me where Obama professes that love for socialism himself.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Then perhaps you would like to humor us, open an American history textbook (assuming you know what that is, which might be a reach on my part), and show us where any of America's founders ever described their 'fantasy of a socialist country' that you 'savor'.

Posted by: dbw1
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Ben Franklin, the intellectual and patriarchal figure among the mostly younger founding fathers, founded public libraries and the postal service which were publicly funded. Franklin was very much against the development of an aristocratic class, feeling that inherited wealth was not earned.

He came from nothing and wanted a country where all Americans would have equal opportunities. George W Bush is a perfect example of the American aristocracy that has developed in the past few hundred years. Obama is the example of the country Franklin hoped we would become.

Posted by: Axel1 | October 10, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

'bobnsri' said:
"I am sooooooooooo sick of McCain's fake/phony POW stories. How do we know ANY of his stories are true? McCain = Fake War Hero "


'DonJasper', I'm afraid you are setting the bar out of his reach if you think he will ever grow up. I keep thinking I've seen the dumbest thing a Democrat can say, and then a new day brings a new low-water mark in their utter stupidity.

Is there any way possible that folks like 'bobnsri' could be sentenced to 15 minutes locked in a room with American soldiers for saying such things? You know, the soldiers who sacrificed so "bobnsri" could freely post such garbage and reflect the bottomless depravity of his intellect?

But alas, we are a free society, much to 'VPRM1's' regret, so that probably won't happen. Maybe when 'VPRM1's' "savored fantasy" of a socialist state come to America is realized will "bobnsri" get what he deserves....


Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Reading some of your comments regarding McCain's war record and accusing him of being a fake, collaborator and a lier makes me sick to my stomach. All of you making these accusations are so dumb and hateful that it makes you despicable. If you were brave to take an IQ test, I bet you would end up owing points!!!
I hope Obama becomes YOUR president, and not because he deserves it, but because you deserve him. Hopefully, the unemployment offices will be out of business then:)

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is not man enough to own his sh^t. John McCain will not openly confront Obama with his smears and lies and innuendo. John McCain will not come out and talk about Ayers, he has to be asked. That is why he goes to places like Fox News, so he can be asked. What a coincidence.


John McCain is a coward.


John McCain would rather hide behind his wife and Sarah Palin than say it himself.


He would rather produce 2 minute ads that his campaign will never pay to air anywhere, and hope that the tire-swinging media will bring up the topic so he doesn’t have to do it himself.


John McCain just wants to throw sh^t out there, and "raise questions" about Obama, and hope his supporters connect the dots, because he is too much of a coward to directly push this toxic stew. He would rather hide behind right-wing bloggers, surrogates, and scummy websites staffed with wingnut welfare recipients like the NRO and the Weekly Standard.


John McCain had 90 minutes to bring this stuff up to Obama, to his face, and passed.


John McCain is a liar and coward.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I remember when in '98 McCain joked to an all-GOP audience that "Chelsea Clinton is so ugly" because "Hillary was her mother and Janet Reno was her father". Chelsea Clinton was 18 at the time.

When the papers found out about the joke, McCain crawled to the White House to make an "abject, contrite and profuse" apology to the Clintons.

I guess he hated apologizing so much, that's why nowadays he gets his wife (you know, the DEA-busted drug addict who steals from charities) and brainless Benita Palin to do his stand-up sliming for him.

He hides behind women, being just brave enough to "approve" slimy videos, full of innuendo and lies that he doesn't dare repeat himself in public.

What a chickenshıt he is.

Posted by: kevrobb | October 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

--"How do we know ANY of his stories are true?

Posted by: bobnsri | October 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse"--

When you grow up - you'll look back on this post with regret.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I take such joy in watching the complete collapse of the

conservative movement in the USA.


Posted by: bobnsri | October 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Johhny boy is no lilly white choir boy!

His associates are a bit more sinister in the shady financial tradition.

While I work for an honest living his kind are manipulating markets to their own financial advantage and, when their meddling and artifical inflationary practices play out, who gets rich and who gets gets screwed?!

My friends, my ass. He is out to use the electorate for his personal glorification.

Country first? I think ego first is more accurate.

Perhaps John and Cindy can open up some of their homes for those less fortunate. I won't be holding my breath.

http://washingtonindependent.com/11806/cindy

Posted by: foothillbill | October 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

VMR1:
"I'd rather stay right here, in my country called USA, and improve it by fighting fascist scum like yourself, tooth & nail."

Then perhaps you would like to humor us, open an American history textbook (assuming you know what that is, which might be a reach on my part), and show us where any of America's founders ever described their 'fantasy of a socialist country' that you 'savor'.

But when your efforts fail there, which they will, then maybe you could at least find a dictionary and figure out what the word "fascist" means, since it's apparant you are using words you don't understand.

For, in your socialist fantasy paradise, fascism is a far greater liklihood than in the America I know and love that was born and bred on individual freedom.

Don't engage in a debate you can't win, 'VMR1'. Every time the majority of American's have gotten a taste of your socialism, they kick it to the curb as swiftly as the next election....

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

--"A couple observations about the new McCain ad:
[snip]
Huh? What does Ayers have to do with congressional Democrats?
[snip]
But, it doesn't make the ad any less confusing for the average viewer."--

How lame. The average viewer doesn't even know who Ayers is. If they bother to look him up, they'll find him Chigaco's "Citizen of the Year" 1997.

If you're going to slime, at least do it well. It's a little sad seeing the once proud GOP slime-machine reduced to a whimper like this.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

THE Admiral SON.

In Oct. 26, 1967, the admiral's son while flying his 23rd mission over North Vietnam, once again fell from the sky, this time landing in the hands of a brutal enemy. He was beaten and bayoneted. His shoulder was smashed and his right calf was nearly perpendicular to his knee.
The severely wounded McCain was finally thrown on the back of a truck and hauled to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp. Immediately, his captors began to interrogate him using sadistic methods they had perfected on hundreds of captured U.S. servicemen before him.

His interrogators demanded military information. When he refused, his guards kicked and pounded him mercilessly.
McCain admits that three to four days after he was captured, he promised the Vietnamese, "I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
McCain also admits that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given "special medical treatment" because of his promise.
He claims he was given medical care normally unavailable to captured Americans only because the Vietnamese learned he was the son of Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific including those fighting in Vietnam.

The Vietnamese figured that because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank that he was of royalty or the governing circle in the United States. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince"and treated him as a "special prisoner."

Less than two weeks after McCain was taken to a hospital, Hanoi's press began quoting him giving specific military information, including the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, numbers of U.S. pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight, information about location of rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.
There is also evidence that McCain received "special" medical treatment from a Soviet physician.

After he was out of the hospital, McCain continued cooperating with the North Vietnamese for a period of three years. He made radio broadcasts for the communists and met with foreign delegations, including the Cubans. He was interviewed by at least two North Vietnamese generals one of whom was Vietnam's national hero, General Vo Nguyen Giap.

On June 4, 1969, a U.S. wire service story headlined "PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral," reported one of McCain's radio broadcasts: "Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of the United States commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.
McCain says he violated the Code of Conduct only when the North Vietnamese brutally tortured him. He further claims that he was so distraught afterwards that he tried to commit suicide. He has never explained why his "aid to the enemy" continued for more than three years.

Even though there are no reports in the public record from other POWs who witnessed McCain's claims of torture and heroics or his attempted suicide, the American media has accepted his version of events word for word, no questions asked.

Yet, the same press that transformed the admiral's son into an "incredible war hero--an inspiration to all Americans," vilified the two grunts.
Comparing the incidents surrounding the fates of three POWs,' who collaborated with the enemy, makes one question why two faced possible execution for treason, while the third won acclaim as a hero fit to be President of the United States.
Once more, Lady Luck had smiled on John McCain . . . or was it the admiral?


Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I am sooooooooooo sick of McCain's fake/phony POW stories.

How do we know ANY of his stories are true?

Neither the Pentagon, nor the Vietnamese Government will release McCain's files because McCain refuses to give them permission.

McCain = Fake War Hero

Posted by: bobnsri | October 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is just a cowardly little troll. When he was a POW he was one of the weakest one there giving the then what ever they wanted. All his fellow prisnors knew it. When they were coming home is was said between them. that because of the circumstances what ever happen there will just stay there regardless what anyone did, It had stayed that way. Until 1991 when it looked to Mccain like his conduct may become public and he did everything he could do to keep it covered up.

please be sure to watch the clip and you are welcome to call the number. We are still waiting for this little coward John Mccain to come forward. His conduct resulted in at least three deaths of American pilots from information Mccain the cowardly piece of garbage provided.

JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
*********** ************* ************** *********** ***********
Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk

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Watch McCain wuss out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_7gauInYUo

such a tough guy can't look Obama in the face?

I wonder why?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain continues to clearly now show daily he is so desperate that he will stop at nothing, this is not the judgement of someone ready for office of "Commander in Chief"

But more worrying is the behavior of both his campaign team and his most extreme fanatical supporters, this is why the US is crying for CHANGE, they are a disgrace
and are dragging US politics to a level not seen for years.

It is time for the Voters and People of the US to stand up and be counted and show that we will not be intimidated in this way, McCain is sadly Yesterday's Man and his policy which he does not seem to want to run his campaign on is totally out of touch with real people.

Posted by: jaybs1 | October 10, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I think I mentioned this yesterday, 5% of top tax payers carry over 58% of all federal income taxes burden and create anywhere from 90-95% of all American jobs. The democrats like Dodd, Frank, Pellosi led by Obama by taxing them, will run this country to the ground. Socialism was given a try and it failed. Beware of it - I lived in it for 20 years and trust me, you do not want any part of it!!!

Posted by: jmk55 | October 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't give a damn about our tanking economy because it doesn't affect him...


McCain in April 08 declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and economic adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "Americans are whiners" remarks, is back with the McCain campaign again.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:
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Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
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Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Short Sellers in the stock market are pricing in Obama's victory.

SOCIALISM = KEEP YOU MONEY UNDER THE MATTRESS

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"I'm John McCain, and I approved this message."

Then tell us, Hero John, why you didn't have the balls to say it to Obama's face during the debate.

You don't even have the balls to look him in the eye.

Posted by: kevrobb | October 10, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse


''As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States''
Palin the ''Maverick'' grabs her shotgun....If she and McCain begin to spiral downward in the polls....as they will.......The rich and powerful may very likely create a major international incident.....To allow John McCain to come to the rescue..........

Republican or Democrat....
You will feel a cold chill running down your spine....as McCain and
Palin assume control of the nuclear trigger.

Posted by: rodhemeon | October 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Economy Failing...
Campaign is Laughable
peeeuuu Palin is pathetic...

And the cemetary dirt is being spread over the Palin/McCain ticket.

McCaint, as chairman of the Indian Affairs Committee, at a hearing in 2005 to examine accusations of misconduct made by six Indian tribes against their former lobbyist, Jack Abramoff.

McCaint supported tax breaks for casinos over the years, including one that helped Foxwoods in Connecticut. He has also gambled there.

A lifelong gambler, McCaint takes risks, both on and off the craps table.

As we can tell with peeeuuu Palin...a pathetic pick for VP

Mr. McCain was betting at a casino he oversaw as a member of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, and he was doing so with the lobbyist who represents that casino, according to three associates of McCaint.

The visit had been arranged by the lobbyist, Scott Reed, who works for the Mashantucket Pequot, a tribe that has contributed heavily

McCaint’s campaigns and built Foxwoods into the world’s second-largest casino.

Joining them was Rick Davis, McCaint’s current campaign manager.

Their night of good fortune epitomized not just McCaint’s affection for gambling, but also the close relationship he has built with the gambling industry and its lobbyists during his 25-year career in Congress.

Mob Connections is Arizona...
The car-bomb murder of a top reporter at the Arizona Republic named Don Bolles.

The father of McCaint's wife, James Hensley, was convicted by a federal jury in U.S. District Court of Arizona in March 1948 on seven counts of filing false liquor records.

Hensley also was charged with conspiracy to hide from federal authorities the names of persons involved in a liquor industry racket with two companies he managed, United Sales Company in Phoenix and United Distributors in Tucson.

The umbrella company, United Liquor, at that time held a monopoly in Arizona, organized and managed by Kemper Marley, who was accused of mob ties by a reporter who was murdered in 1977.

Silverman and Dougherty report that by 1955, Hensley had launched a Budweiser distributorship in Phoenix, "a franchise reportedly bestowed upon him by Marley, who was never indicted in the 1948 liquor-law-violation case – or a subsequent one – despite his controlling role in the liquor distribution businesses."

According to Marley's longtime public relations man, Al Lizanetz, the Marley liquor empire was founded by the Bronfman family dynasty of Canada which operated Allied Finance Company, Northern Export Company and Distillers Corporation – the Seagrams, Ltd. empire.

As chronicled by the "Rumrunners and Prohibition" video shown popularly on the History Channel, during the 1920s, the Bronfman family made millions in bootlegging, accounting for half the illegal liquor crossing the border, working in a profitable distribution deal with the infamous mobster Meyer Lansky, who later moved on to establish the crime syndicates in the casinos of Havana, Cuba, in the 1940s and 50s.

Arizona in the 1970s drew a "who's who" of organized crime figures seeking to retire in the sun, including Rochester, N.Y., mob boss Joe Bonanno, who spent his last days along the Lake Havasu shores and in a quiet home in Tucson.

In 1977, after Arizona Republic reporter Don Bolles was killed when his car was blown up by the mob in a parking lot, a team of 36 journalists from 27 news organizations, known as IRE, published an 80,000 word 23-part series on organized crime in Arizona.

Dan Nowicki and Bill Muller, reporting in the Arizona Republic March 1, 2007, documented that in 1953, Hensley was again charged with falsifying records at Marley's liquor firms.

Hensley was found not guilty after being defended by William Rehnquist, the future chief justice of the Supreme Court, Nowicki and Muller wrote.

Ms Marylin Shannon
and her ultra far right Oregon's Citizens Alliance.

"He spoke at their convention and had kind words for an anti-abortionist activist who is a member who shot a doctor in both arms and bombed abortion clinics in Kansas. McCaint stated "She's a fine lady".

Yea.... republicans should be angry.....

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The only thing more tragic then the course of J. McCain's misguided campaign is the low brow xenophobia of the Republican base follower (see rally mobs).

Not a single prominent Republican Party official or McCain campaign strategist *actually* believes that Obama is terrorist sympathizer, but they know that just indirectly fomenting that perception will ignite the deep anti-Muslim sentiments that apparantly exist in 50% of Americans.

Isn't it amazing - it's not the fact that Obama is black that is driving the mob frenzy (Palin had already tried that route), but that he might be Muslim? (that he isn't is unimportant) Is this supposed to be progress?

Is there any doubt that Joe Six Pack/Hockey Mom's/Christian (ahem) White conservatives are just plain Muslim haters? No one really cares, do they?

This is what "Land of the Free" and "Freedom of Religion" has led us to after 200+ years? Have the GOP base not understood what Xenophobia had led to in 1930's Germany, or do they just not care?

Shame on McCain, shame on the GOP, but far, far more significantly - shame on us ALL.

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Brought to you by a 2000 McCain Supporter / 5 time Liberatarian Party Presidential Voter / Finally driven to the Democrats by the intolerance of the GOP.

Posted by: IwantAbetterAmerica | October 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Hate and good ol' American violence..is what you want???

McCaint rally on Monday, he asked, "Who is Barack Obama?" and a crowd member yelled out "Kill Him" & "Terrorist" as McCain held that silly smirk on his addled face.

Watch his response on the :14 sec mark...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

McCaint/peeuuu Palin rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel like Nazi/KKK hate rallies..

McCaint, you are a pathetic old man...

McCaint you are against all that is good in in this country......

Out of all of the lies that dribble out of you mouth and the best is that you call yourself a patriot...no sir..you are a traitor....

Unfit for office, declining health and all you have now are hate-filled supporters and you hang on the skirt of peeeuuu Palin and your perscription addicted wife...

Your "followers" when they scream out "Terrorist" or "Kill him,"you carry a smile or a "thumbs up" ....

This Nation will hold you responsible for all that follows if you win this lie of a campaign....

McCaint and peeeuuu Palin, you are playing with hate, and you love it.

You are unleashing the sleeping monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us.

You are doing this in wartime.
You are doing this as our economy collapses.

You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations.

The angry voter will hold only you McCaint and peeeuuu Palin responsible.

"Thanks but no thanks to more of the lies and hate that bridge America to nowhere.."


Posted by: AlexP1 | October 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

DONT YOU SEE!...its all a conspiracy, the corporate owned main stream media is against the greatest defenders of capitalism and the free market..the republican party...... BECAUSE it hates America and of course does not need the economy to continue functioning properly or ADVERTISING dollars anymore.

OF COURSE, I DIDN"T SEE IT UNTIL NOW..... they are going to put a socialistic, commie, pinko, terrorist, Muslim that somehow has a racist preacher in the white house to somehow destroy America from within. OH BE AFRAID PATRIOTS, BE AFRAID....

Suspend the convention, suspend the campaign! Don't show the president at the convention because it might remind people how badly he screwed up Katrina. I guess he is the one that must not be named. In fact that was part of their plan. Obama can control nature too..... buts it not about that...its about Experience....I mean its about Change....yeah ditto Obama change!...Oh I meant its about reform.....No its about washed up terrorist who are now college professors and THAT ONE was 8 years old!

The financial collapse is all the democrats fault by supporting Fannie and Freddie because the republican president and 6 year controlled congress were no match for the all powerful sinister democratic forces and could not possibly have done anything the past 8 years to stop it! BE AFRAID
because you probably hadn't heard of Fannie and Freddie before this and apparently neither had republicans.

OOOOOOOOOhhh be afraid,,,,,be very afraid.....because those guys that left us in prosperity 8 years ago and with a surplus are now going to TAX you until you cant afford healthcare. Oooops I forgot you already can't afford healthcare...I meant he is going to TAX you to buy overhead projectors and actually spend money on schools. What we need my friend are more wars and prisons, but SSSSHHHH....you don't say that out loud. BE AFRAID!

WHO IS THE REAL BARACK OBAMA? who is this guy...he hasn't been on TV for the last 2 years running for president.........BE AFRAID.....where did he come from? The scary black man is going to teach your toddlers about sex..... and sneak into your homes and steal your six pack!

Oh hold on...I'm going to suspend my rant for a second...psyche. BE AFRAID....
"true" Americans ......He hates the troops ....... but wants to bring them home.

How insane...We cant leave IRAQ now..they only have an 80 billion dollar surplus. Lets wait until their economy is really doing better than ours. He has bad judgement but I would pick his advisor and supporter Warren Buffett to run the treasury. We are going to pay for all the mortgages AND cut taxes!

IT DOESN"T MATTER if we are not making any more sense....JUST BE AFRAID.

Archie Bunkers of the World UNITE!

NOT.

McCain...have some class.
I'm over it. I've made my decision.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: StoptheSpin | October 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk, we need to give your canidite equal time on his appointments....

a look ahead to the McCain cabinet/appointments:

Moe - Education
Larry - Treasury
Curley - State
Sleazey - FEC
Three Bears - Housing
Mr. Magoo - Justice
Candy Man - SEC
Goldilocks - HUD
Elmer Fudd - IRS


Posted by: CruzerDog | October 10, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Reading your posts it doesn't appear you have enough intelligence to do research outside of the liberal blogs you cut-and-paste from, so let me help you get a grasp on the facts of Keating.

- McCain was 1 of the Keating 5. The other 4 were DEMOCRATS.
- the DEMOCRATS held the majority in the Senate, and controlled the Ethics committee that conducted the hearings.
- the DEMOCRATS own lawyer advised them to drop McCain and Glenn (one of the 4 Dem's), because there was no evidence of wrong-doing on their part.
- the DEMOCRATS in leadership refused their lawyers advice to drop McCain from the hearings, because they said it would look bad if only DEMOCRATS were shown on t.v. being grilled.
- at the end of the investigation, the DEMOCRAT led investigation cleared John McCain of any wrong-doing.

Just thought I would try to help you put to rest at least one of the lies you like to spread around, since facts seem to elude you so easily.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Watch McCain wuss out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_7gauInYUo

such a tough guy can't look Obama in the face?

I wonder why?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The Facts
· Is Mr. Obama a Muslim?

Mr. Obama has repeatedly denied being a Muslim and has stated at numerous primary events that he is a Christian and “loves Christ”. However, as you will note further on these facts and letter from the Editor, his association and support for Muslim’s is truly unclear.

· Did Mr. Obama fail to hold his hand over his heart at a recent democratic event where the National Anthem was played?

Yes, during a recent democratic hopeful debate involving Mr. Obama, Senator Clinton, Gov Richardson, and Ruth Harkin he was photographed failing to show the flag of the U.S. respect by holding his hand over his heart for the playing of the National Anthem. Click here for photo.

· What is Mr. Obama’s race?

Mr. Obama is bi-racial, his father is a black Muslim and his mother is white. However, in most of his activities, speeches, and a myriad of voting patterns he votes primarily as a black centric man.

· Is Mr. Obama “Pro Life or Pro Choice”

Mr. Obama is definitely Pro Choice. He is so pro choice that during his short tenure as the Illinois State Senator he has voted in opposition to several bills aimed at stopping partial birth abortions or live fetuses. For example, Illinois has been wrestling with the Born Alive Infants Bill.

For a complete document with factual examples of Mr. Obama’s voting history please read here

· Who is Raila Odinga and how is Mr. Obama connected to him?

Raila Odinga is the Muslim extremist who recently lost the Kenyan Presidential election to a Christian. Raila is a “paternal cousin” to Mr. Obama and has visited with him in both Illinois and Kenya.

· Who is Abongo “Roy” Obama?

Abongo is Barack’s brother who recently preaches that the “Black man must liberate himself from the poisons of European cultures and western values”

· What exactly is Mr. Obama’s religion?

Mr. Obama belong’s to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois. The Church is primarily an African American congregation dedicated to Christian principles with a twist of ALSO pursuing Black ideals and African principles. The following text was sourced directly from Trinity’s website and can be verified by clicking on this link. A video aired on Hannity and Colmes can also be viewed here.


“We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.

2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.

3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.

4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.

5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.

6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.

7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.

8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.

9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.

10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.”

Posted by: ginashank | October 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"a look ahead to the Obama cabinet/appointments:

Ayers - Education
Rezco - Treasury
Wright - State
ACORN - FEC
housing - dodd
Defense - unneeded
Justice - clinton
SEC - Frank
johnson - HUD
Wrangle - IRS"

So what is it like being uneducated and ignorant "king of souk"?

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain has been in the senate for 26 years. The only legislation we are aware of with his name on it is the McCain Feingold bill. That also was nothing new. There were so many bills that were made into law with regard to ethics and lobbying in the senate. This bill only adds a tiny bit to the use of soft money. That's all he has offered in 26 years. That is pathetic.

Posted by: MaryHiggins1 | October 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

When do the Dems bring out McCain's comment calling his wife a street name for a private female body part?

Posted by: raduray | October 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Ask a real economist if you don't beleive me:

The Booming of the Big Guns [Peter Robinson]


This week the McCain campaign released a statement warning that Barack Obama's policies would gravely damage the American economy.

So?

So the statement was signed by 100 economists, including Nobel Prize winners Gary Becker, Edward Prescott, Vernon Smith, Robert Mundell, and James Buchanan. And by Martin Feldstein. And by Burton Malkiel. And by George Shultz. And by Glenn Hubbard and John Cogan and John Taylor and Michael Boskin and Meir Kohn. And by 87 others.


""Barack Obama argues that his proposals to raise tax rates and halt international trade agreements would benefit the American economy. They would do nothing of the sort. Economic analysis and historical experience show that they would do the opposite. They would reduce economic growth and decrease the number of jobs in America. Moreover, with the credit crunch, the housing slump, and high energy prices weakening the U.S. economy, his proposals run a high risk of throwing the economy into a deep recession. It was exactly such misguided tax hikes and protectionism, enacted when the U.S. economy was weak in the early 1930s, that greatly increased the severity of the Great Depression""

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the majority of Americans are more concern with the images of McCain and Palin inciting rabid mobs. My husband is an independent, who is open to conservatives on par with Mitt Romney. But even my husband is horrified by what sees--McCain's and Palin's move from politics to fear and hate mongering McCarthy-style.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 10, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Watch McCain wuss out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_7gauInYUo

such a tough guy can't look Obama in the face?

I wonder why?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

a look ahead to the Obama cabinet/appointments:

Ayers - Education
Rezco - Treasury
Wright - State
ACORN - FEC
housing - dodd
Defense - unneeded
Justice - clinton
SEC - Frank
johnson - HUD
Wrangle - IRS

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama has goat-ed McCain to bring up Ayers to his face and McDumb has swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. His base wants meat, fantastic. I cant wait for the debate to see how McOld gets slammed by a Junior black senator from Chicago, no less. EEEE HAAA.

Bring it own MCBush

Posted by: CruzerDog | October 10, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Secret Service will ask McCain and Palin to tone it down a bit since they are those men and woman protecting the candidates are in the line of fire when someone takes a shot? Seriously, incendiary talk and pumping the fringe up to the point of advocating death seems to risk innocent people as well. Anyone agree?

Posted by: jolu32339 | October 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

No one gives a damn about Bill Ayers especially when they can't afford to pay for gas, food and their mortgage. etc.


I'm not surprised that McCain doesn't want to talk about the important issues (like the economy) that people really care about because McCain knows all about bailing out rich bankers and screwing over middle class and poor people, he's been doing it for years.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzDEbVFcg8
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McCain - Founding Member of the Keating Five:

McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.
Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."


Here's some more mavericky straight-talk, my friends:
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http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The hussein parade of slimebag pals and bad judgment is endless.....

Rev. "God D@#! America" Wright. For nearly twenty years hussein was the disciple and avid follower and supporter of this racial bigot. hussein publicly praised wright on numerous occasions. hussein gave wright's church $26,000 in 2007, plus many thousands more previously. wright's vile, bigoted harangues against America, in general, and white Americans, in particular, illustrate the true foundation of hussein. As hussein said: "I could no more disown him (rev. wright) than I could disown my ... grandmother." wright is current having an extramarital affair with one of his other disciples.

Tony Rezko. Sleazy lobbyist, slum landlord, and hussein pal who is now a convicted felon. There have been numerous shady real estate deals between hussein and Rezko - including the lot next to hussein's Chicago mansion that was purchased by Rezko, then sold to hussein at a bargain-basement price. The Los Angeles Times reported that it had found that Rezko and his associates had given hussein "more than $200,000 in donations since 1995."

W. Ayers. Weather Underground terrorist movement that "declared war on America" and successfully bombed the U.S. Capitol, Pentagon, and police stations other targets across the nation.and a hussein pal. hussein's political career was even launched at an event hosted by Ayers in his own home. hussein has worked extensively with Ayers on plans for the loony-left radicalization of US education.

James Johnson Appointed by hussein to head vetting VP candidates. Per ABC News, 11Jun08, Johnson "represented a world of influence and special interests" and has received special treatment from the sleaziest sub-prime lender of them all: "Johnson had received $7 million in loans for mortgages with rates below market averages from a special account controlled by the CEO of Countrywide Financial Corp., Angelo Mozilo."

Joe Biden. Running mate and plagiarizing expert, who has stolen more words than Milton Berle. Totally lacking in ethics, in his third-rate, mediocre law school Biden was only able to graduate 76th in a class of 85 - i.e., he was in the lowest 10.5%! Of course, while campaigning, he claimed falsely to have graduated in the "top half" of his class. A plagiarizer and a LIAR! As a politics-as-usual, 30+-year congressional parasite and reprobate, Plagiarist-Joe never worked harder than in his efforts to kill bi-partisan legislation simply because it would have adversely affected the enormous income of his lobbyist son. His motto: "RAISING TAXES IS PATRIOTIC."

...and many, many more such slimebags with whom no respectable American would associate.

"The measure of a man is judged by the company he keeps."

Posted by: ImpeachNOW | October 10, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Has McCain licensed Desperado as his campaign theme song yet?

Posted by: thackerj | October 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

You can expect a "plant" like Mr. Angry man in Wisconsin, using words like 'socialist' at every upcoming McCain rally, where they will allow people to ask McCain questions. You can be assured this same 'scene' will be played over and over in the coming weeks.

McCain, the most dangerous senator since Joseph McCarthy, is now going to use the last trick in his bag: GANG MENTALITY.

If you never saw McCains personality disorder before, watch closely in the next month just what kind of "leader" he really is. He is a seriously dangerous and disturbed man, who has abused his power nearly his entire life.

In the next two weeks, he will come just shy of inciting riots.

PD disordered people like McCain appear to others to be "fine" until they don't get 'their way.'
In fact, most PD individuals often appear as "charming" a label given to McCain by the press on many occasions. It's during times the PD is 'opposed' by any person or group, is when their symptoms become apparent.

During these periods of 'opposition' the personality disorder becomes evident to a trained observer. PD people must get 'their way' 100% of the time or they first, lose their temper. Next stage, they begin to lie, they become irrational, abusive and shift blame to others, strangely, for the precise behavior they are engaged in. "The other guy is lying" is what the PD individual claims, when THEY are doing the lying. A PD individual, if cheating on their wife or husband, will be vehemently accuse the innocent partner.

That's the reason you can't believe a word McCain says, at this stage of the game. Expect some serious chaos from McCain in the next few weeks.
.I've spent at least 100 hours studying McCain's history. John McCain has no class whatsover. He never did. He didn't have any in school, he didn't have an ounce of it at Annapolis. The last time GM stock was $5 a share, was when another senator from Wisconsin also turned America upside down.

John McCain, as well as Joseph McCarthy, fit the classic pattern of abusers.

Posted by: TruthWalksOnWater | October 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Scooter" Libby was tried, convicted and sentenced because of a few criminal acts while Chief of Staff to Dick Cheney. Does that mean Bush associated with known criminals and even had them on the payroll as "advisers" ???

Posted by: Billy7 | October 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain your respected Admiral father and grandfather are ashamed of you and the depth to which you have brought down the election process. they gave their lives to the betterment of all people but you care only for yourself and the republican party and those that
agree with you. shame on you, shame on your idiotic choice of Palin. how would you answer the simple question put by your real warrior fatherr: son you're in two wars, you have the best talent in the world, choose the right one to be in the fox hole with you just in case something happens... country first son, country first." "I choose sarah palin dad, always John McCain first dad"

Posted by: busky | October 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008"

DO NOT EXIST.

You post this over and over, but what does it mean?

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 10, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to my bi-partisan friend John "Country first" McCain, the great uniter: a guy who truly knows how to work with the other side.

Posted by: mkcornish | October 10, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain ever saw a Jane Fonda movie would that make him
guilty of supporting those who were thought to be "traitors" ??

My friends, it's not GWB who is "sprinting to the finish line" but rather John McCain because he will be finished politically after the election. At least little Joey Lieberman will have someone to have lunch with..............

Posted by: Billy7 | October 10, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The Pandora's box now has to include McCain's serving on the board of a group advocating the overthrow of elected governments in Latin America. Also, the Palin connection to the Alaska Independence Party, where she spoke at their convention this year and praised their work. If Rev. Wright comes up, McCain's having to back off the endoresment of a few right wing reverends has to be in the mix, as does Palin's witch doctor episode: And then the witch doctor, he told me what to do
He said that "Ooo eee, ooo ah ah, ting tang, walla walla bing bang".

Posted by: dmyers53217 | October 10, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Palin hired a PR consulting firm, at taxpayer expense, that pitched her as and "upstart governor" and as a "crusader against Big Oil". Until that PR effort she was, apparently, a lightweight that was limitied to "making ceremonial appearances at sports events and funerals, meeting with state lawmakers, and conducting interviews with Alaska magazines, radio stations and newspapers".

So, it now appears that the rabid cow, the Klondike Bimbo, is purely a media creation, with all of rthe substance of passed gas. -
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27110133/

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 10, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

armpeg,

Interesting, except for one problem, this was all debunked six months ago. I suggest to you and other trolls you actually listen to the WHOLE sermon rather than a 60 second sound bite. Of course you won't because you would then you wouldn't have much of a smear. I would also suggest you listen to other of Rev. Wright's sermons and you might learn something.

As for Ayres I sincerely doubt he had much influence on Obama's thinking. I don't know about you but most people of the age at which Obama first came into contact with Ayres have already formed their basic view of the world.

The exception are people like John McCain who seems to flip-flop like a fish landed in a boat. I believe one of the most telling insights into McCain is his admiration of Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy was the consummate populist in the negative connotation of the term so McCain's thrashing around for a policy direction depending on how the wind blows comes as no surprise.

All the Palin-McCain campaign has done for all their smears and flip-flopping is to make me seriously question who is John McCain? Certainly not who I thought he was.

So take your smears and tell your RNC/Palin-McCain troll handlers that each time they use these tactics, and it certainly isn't a strategy, people like me who never donated directly to a campaign, makes another contribution to the Obama-Biden campaign and I have no party affiliation.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Also, watch the sleight-of-hand from the McCain campaign.

They removed one sentence from the mortgage bailout plan on their website.

What did this one sentence do? It let the bankers off the hook and shifted the entire burden of the devalued mortgages to the taxpayer.

I have the before and after photos for you to see for yourself what McCain removed.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccain-shafts-taxpayers-on-revised.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

That's it, McCain? That's the best you've got? It's really incredible how far and how fast the Republican Party has fallen. They are heading into the abyss forever, thank God, and no one but crazies will miss them.

Posted by: cythera45 | October 10, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

No wonder Republicans are teed off. After two years the MSM can't find any dirt to report about "that one" but then they ask Palin tough questions like "what do you read?"

Posted by: wingdizzy | October 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Your wording about Ayers not providing a silver bullet is an unfortunate choice of expressions. Dude, THINK about what you are writing. People out there are returning from warzones with PTSD and are generally at their wit's end over these markets. Don't let your unconscious choice of words inspire any wing nuts.

Here are some alternatives:
1) not a game changer
2) not a magic wand
3) a specious argument that will slide off Obama's teflon and and up damaging McCain by inviting like criticisms or by being viewed by voters as an extreme act of desperation.

I enjoy witnessing your growth as a reporter/ blogger and wish you luck as you progress, especially if you will clamp down on that unconscious use violent / war metaphors.


Posted by: dkbain1 | October 10, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

BUSH STOCK MARKET CRASH RESUMES

GOPigs ARE GREAT AT DESTROYING OuR ECONOMY.

IT'S TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE.

VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATS DOWN THE LINE

Posted by: Sarah_Failin | October 10, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Keep the faith, people!

Obama is the next President of the United States of America.

I don't say that because of all the polling data (although they are pointing to a landslide next month). I say so because it's painfully obvious that republicans believe Obama's victory is inevitable. You can tell by what they're saying.

McCain/Palin are not talking about any issues that will help solve any of the problems we're facing. I take that back. McCain/Palin MIGHT be talking about solving problems, but all the gutter talk is the only thing making it into the daily news cycle. But that's by their own design. And then they blame the media for the campaign's problems.

Meanwhile, republican party leaders (McCain is not one of them) are predicting huge losses in the House and Senate. States that have been solid republican strongholds are going to the democrats.

I believe republicans are going to be out of power for a generation. It's going to take them about that long to re-brand themselves as caring about the middle class in this country.

Posted by: dastubbs | October 10, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain is living his years of Vietnam now. He has not gotten out of the 60s and 70s. The reason he is going after Bill Ayers connection is because Bill Ayers was against the Vietnam war. The truth of the matter is there were many thousands of radicals in those days who spoke their mind and took action whether legal or illegal to show their disgust about the government drag the whole nation into the killing fields of Vietnam. This is more of a personal vendata he has against whoever spoke out about the Vietnam war.

That is one sole reason he is not fit to be the commander in chief of America. He cannot make a rational decision about an wars. He will make the current situation with Russia worse than what it is now. With our military very thin, and our treasry all depleted, even a small country will be bold enough to stand up and fight America now, let alone Russia. The problem with a new cold war with Russia which has already started happening is that nuclear technology is so wide spread that it has completely gotten out of control. Sanctions will not be effective when small countries like Columbia, Iran, North Korea, Syria and others unite and get a helping hand from the Russians under the table.

McCain may be bold enough to stand up against the Russians. But he will not strong enough militarily, economically and will find no allies itching to start another war in this economy.

Obama on the other hand may appear weak right now to stand up againstaggessive countries like Russia and Iran, but the lack of threat from a Obama administration will also signal to the thugs out there that they can snooze for a while during Obama's presidency.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | October 10, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Once again, how come journalists are asking John McCain, why he solicited the endorsement of, and donations from Leonore Annenberg.

Leonore and her husband William ran the charitable foundation that put both Ayers and Obama on their board.

If McCain really believe this BS, why is he accepting money and trumpeting the support of a woman who would put a 'domestic terrorist' in such an influential position.

I have lost total respect for John McCain. He has destroyed his reputation.

If he wins, he will be the leader of a nation, many of whom see him as a pathetic loser of a human being.

Even the McCain of 2000 would not respect this man, which is why I let his video end my post of why his campaign tactics make him unfit to serve.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccains-campaign-tactics-show-he-is.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Nice to know Johnny is still avoiding the economy as an issue. It shows he is still confused, scared and erratic when it comes to solving the economic crisis. No thanks.

Posted by: thecrisis | October 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain can't appeal to intellectual voters so he is going after those voters who vote based on emotion. It is these emotional voters who voted for Bush and it's these non-intellectual voters who scare me. McCain and Palin are inciting these emotional voters into a frenzy. Their actions are similar to those of Hilter against the Jews.

Intellectual voters will vote for Obama because they see that he has the intelligence and vision to put America back on the right path.

McCain likes to shoot craps, if that's an indication of how he approaches issues then no wonder after 26 years in office he hasn't really made that much of a difference if he bases his decions on the roll of the dice. It doesn't take intelligence to play craps, only luck. In craps the player isn't in control of the game. That's why they call it a crap shoot. Obama likes to play poker, a more intelligent game where you have to know when to hold em and when to fold em. You don't make your bet until after you've been dealt your cards and then you try to read your opponents. I'd put my money on a poker player over a crap shooter any day.

Posted by: Nevadaandy | October 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: HemiHead66 | October 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

There is no doubt in my mind, that McCAin and Palin are purposely arousing these dark fears, and that they want to sacrifice a black man on the alter of their own political ambitions.

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I doubt it is purposeful. Usually, shallow thinkers like Palin and McC have no idea what consequences their actions have. They are just trying to win an election because they think they are best suited to "save' America.

Most of us think we are doing the right thing...even when we are not. Just depends upon how smart we are, how self-aware we are, ho wmuch history we know, and how well-formed our conscious is.

Palin and McC are sadly lacking.

I don't think they have any idea what negative forces they are releasing and encouraging, and are in fact in deep denial about who they are and what their motives are.

Which makes them even more dangerous.
We have seen the same with G Bush....these two will be worse.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey foothillbill;
It's not called "poly-sci" anymore - in the real universities. Go back to school . . . or at least keep up with the times. Sure, lets just forget all that crap in the past. In fact, why the heck do we study history any way? All them old people don't know jack. It's just a waste of our thirty-something time - yeah, that's the ticket - hot dang. . . see how ridiculous you sound. Good lord, man get a clue.

Posted by: the_piano_man | October 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately for Mr. McCain, his friends are the truly scary ones. Friends like Bush and Cheney make friends like Ayers and Rezko seem pretty innocuous.

McCain is going to lose to, by his supporters' own description, a black ultra-liberal non-American secret Muslim terrorist sympathizer. When you think about it, that says a heck of lot more about McCain, his supporters, and the ideas he supports than it does Obama.

McCain has become laughable and his campaign a disgrace. We learned in 2000 and 2004 that the way people try to win elections shows you exactly how they will try to lead. Maverick my behind.

Posted by: starthom | October 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

....Lord send down some angles..

And they better have guns...

...because everyone's crazy down here

On everyone's drugs...

Casinos, pornos, stock shows where white folks go to die...

bums push carts, crack-head squirrels, and birds too drunk to fly..

And they send down some astronauts tostudy our bones..

Through the miles of garbage,
Beneath all the junk that we owned....

Carbon dating beer cans, condoms and twinkie wrappers....

We were something beautiful, baby. What the hell happened?

If you you were worth it,
They'd skin you, too, for new tennis shoes,
Or a couch that fits the motif of the living room
And doesn't clash with your business suits!

I wanna be in a museum, stuffed and in a realistic position,
Like I'm hunting, calling someone, or buying something...

Way too busy to look up and see what was coming....

I want my bones kept next to
Someone of cultural significance,
Like Fonzie, or William Shatner...

Ha-ha, yeah,
Someone famous like Gilbert Gottfried
Or the dog from Frasier...


That caveman they found,
He was a punk. I knew him in high school...

-"Elephant bones" by That Handsome Devil

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

(The McCain) "...ad seeks to tie Obama to Ayers as well as disgraced developer Tony Rezko" (note the weasel-word 'disgraced' to describe Tony Rezko and not convicted criminal). While it's about time that McCain and the RNC is FINALLY STARTING to expose Obama's sleazy ties to America--hating terrorist Bill Ayers and convicted slum lord and crook Tony Rezko, this should have been done by the supposed 'watchdog for the people', the Main Stream Media, long ago. The one and only reason the MSM has been censoring the Obama ties and has not reported or investigated them is because they're in the tank with Obama and the Democratic Party. While they'll report and investigate every tiny incident and mis-step by McCain and Sarah Palin going back 20 and more years (DUI by Palin's hubby before they got married for instance), this same MSM isn't a bit interested in Obama's ties to America-hating terrorist Bill Ayers; his ties to convicted criminal Tony Rezko; his Tony Rezko "special" mortgage (read payoff); his wife's sudden tripling salary increase right after Obama's successful election; his ties to Daily's Chicago machine politics, and his ties to his racist white and America--hating friends and accociates like Jerimiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Michael Pfleger, et al that Obama has been schmoozing around with for more than 20 years. Somehow the MSM has missed investigating and reporting on Obama's 20 year membership and support of that vile racist white--hating and America--hating religious cult Trinity UFC Church he belonged to, and the fact that only someone who believes in the same things could possibly become and stay a member of a religious cult like that for 20 years. Somehow the MSM has missed the news report "Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division" by Newsmax's black freelance correspondent journalist Jim Davis, who wrote that he was in attendance at the TUFC church's service on July 22 when Wright blamed 'white arrogance' of America's Caucasian majority for the world's suffering, especially the oppression of blacks, when he referred to the "United States of White America", and when he thundered that "Young African--Americans were dying for nothing" in this "illegal war". Mr. Davis reported that he not only saw Barack Obama in his front-row pew that day, but saw Obama nodding in agreement

Posted by: armpeg | October 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

On this earth, there are still remote paranoid cultures where the death of a tribesman by any cause, means that the universe must be rebalanced, and to do so the tribesmen will go out and hunt down someone at random of another tribe to sacrifice and then to cook and eat in a very serious religious ceremony which brings closure and makes the tribe feel safe and resets the world to its normal harmony.

I used to think that this bizarre ritual only existed in the remotest areas of our planet, where the people were not exposed to western civilization. But, on better thought, I guess we did see this in extremous, during the rise of Nazism.

Observing the unreasoned, irrational, hysterical need of the mobs at the McCain and Palin rallies to pull down and destroy, I understand now that this dark, paranoid and irrational urge is just a potential behaviour that we all share, everywhere, even in democracies, and given the right circumstances, and encouraged by power obsessed leaders it has again emerged in 21st America.

Let us not forget, that the world wide depression, felt worst in Germany, was a prelude to that rise of the Nazis.

There is no doubt in my mind, that McCAin and Palin are purposely arousing these dark fears, and that they want to sacrifice a black man on the alter of their own political ambitions. Their followers have been sent on a mission to rebalance the universe that is out of order if an educated, liberal, black man of the Democratic Party is ahead in the poles, (how dare "that one" win?) and so they must hunt out and destroy and eat one of the opposition to give them peace of mind and a sense of security.

Given the economic crisis, I am truly worried that this reckless and irresponsible rabble raising of the McCain and Palin could percipitate an assasination attempt on Obama - and can be a prelude to even worse to come as the Republicans split and pit us against each other.

Posted by: maddymappo | October 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey John McCain lets talk about "troopergate" and the "Keating 5".
People who live in glass houses______

Posted by: edgewatervince | October 10, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

(The McCain) "...ad seeks to tie Obama to Ayers as well as disgraced developer Tony Rezko" (note the weasel-word 'disgraced' to describe Tony Rezko and not convicted criminal). While it's about time that McCain and the RNC is FINALLY STARTING to expose Obama's sleazy ties to America--hating terrorist Bill Ayers and convicted slum lord and crook Tony Rezko, this should have been done by the supposed 'watchdog for the people', the Main Stream Media, long ago. The one and only reason the MSM has been censoring the Obama ties and has not reported or investigated them is because they're in the tank with Obama and the Democratic Party. While they'll report and investigate every tiny incident and mis-step by McCain and Sarah Palin going back 20 and more years (DUI by Palin's hubby before they got married for instance), this same MSM isn't a bit interested in Obama's ties to America-hating terrorist Bill Ayers; his ties to convicted criminal Tony Rezko; his Tony Rezko "special" mortgage (read payoff); his wife's sudden tripling salary increase right after Obama's successful election; his ties to Daily's Chicago machine politics, and his ties to his racist white and America--hating friends and accociates like Jerimiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Michael Pfleger, et al that Obama has been schmoozing around with for more than 20 years. Somehow the MSM has missed investigating and reporting on Obama's 20 year membership and support of that vile racist white--hating and America--hating religious cult Trinity UFC Church he belonged to, and the fact that only someone who believes in the same things could possibly become and stay a member of a religious cult like that for 20 years. Somehow the MSM has missed the news report "Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division" by Newsmax's black freelance correspondent journalist Jim Davis, who wrote that he was in attendance at the TUFC church's service on July 22 when Wright blamed 'white arrogance' of America's Caucasian majority for the world's suffering, especially the oppression of blacks, when he referred to the "United States of White America", and when he thundered that "Young African--Americans were dying for nothing" in this "illegal war". Mr. Davis reported that he not only saw Barack Obama in his front-row pew that day, but saw Obama nodding in agreement

Posted by: armpeg | October 10, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

(The McCain) "...ad seeks to tie Obama to Ayers as well as disgraced developer Tony Rezko" (note the weasel-word 'disgraced' to describe Tony Rezko and not convicted criminal). While it's about time that McCain and the RNC is FINALLY STARTING to expose Obama's sleazy ties to America--hating terrorist Bill Ayers and convicted slum lord and crook Tony Rezko, this should have been done by the supposed 'watchdog for the people', the Main Stream Media, long ago. The one and only reason the MSM has been censoring the Obama ties and has not reported or investigated them is because they're in the tank with Obama and the Democratic Party. While they'll report and investigate every tiny incident and mis-step by McCain and Sarah Palin going back 20 and more years (DUI by Palin's hubby before they got married for instance), this same MSM isn't a bit interested in Obama's ties to America-hating terrorist Bill Ayers; his ties to convicted criminal Tony Rezko; his Tony Rezko "special" mortgage (read payoff); his wife's sudden tripling salary increase right after Obama's successful election; his ties to Daily's Chicago machine politics, and his ties to his racist white and America--hating friends and accociates like Jerimiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Michael Pfleger, et al that Obama has been schmoozing around with for more than 20 years. Somehow the MSM has missed investigating and reporting on Obama's 20 year membership and support of that vile racist white--hating and America--hating religious cult Trinity UFC Church he belonged to, and the fact that only someone who believes in the same things could possibly become and stay a member of a religious cult like that for 20 years. Somehow the MSM has missed the news report "Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division" by Newsmax's black freelance correspondent journalist Jim Davis, who wrote that he was in attendance at the TUFC church's service on July 22 when Wright blamed 'white arrogance' of America's Caucasian majority for the world's suffering, especially the oppression of blacks, when he referred to the "United States of White America", and when he thundered that "Young African--Americans were dying for nothing" in this "illegal war". While Barack Obama has always claimed that he wasn't there that day, Mr. Davis reported that he not only saw Barack Obama in his front-row pew that day, but saw Obama nodding in agreement.

Posted by: armpeg | October 10, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

It isn't Obama that's an unknown quanitity -- it's McCain. Who knew he could become this hateful demagogue, stoking the fury of racists and lunatics and inciting them to riot or worse.

He is a desperate, dangerous man, lurching and careening crazily from one extreme to the other. He is start to scare rational people--and he should.

Posted by: drindl | October 10, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

bubba wrote:
The William Ayers matter is no "Pandora's Box". If the Obama campaign wants to retaliate by bringing up Keating, let them go for it. The Keating affair was thoroughly publicized at the time and verdicts rendered judicially and in the press. Not so with Obama and the Ayers issue. Appallingly, Obama has been largely given a pass on this subject with all its implications
--------------------------------------------

You are wrong. William Ayers terrorist act was done 1969. The charges were later dropped in 1976 because of a technical legality. Ayers return to the U.S. in 1980.

Now what I want to know from you and the rest of the shouting heads is what possible involvement could Barack Obama could have had with the Ayers terrorist act when Obama was eight years old?

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | October 10, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"Second, for all the two years of nonstop campaigning, Obama somehow still remains an unknown — and for apparently good reason."

If Obama is an unknown to you, then you are an idiot.

Was that even in doubt?

Although I feel for you. Can't vote for Bush again.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 10, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

This makes me sick. We have serious problems going on and McCain is dragging the race into the mud, when what we need is hope and someone to calm the markets. Shame on you McCain!

Posted by: FractalCones | October 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

FANNIE MAE, and FREDDIE MAC


guarantee MORTGAGE POOLS and individual loans.....they don't make loans, nor do they encourage low income mortgages....


they are PRESSURED TO GUARANTEE THEM by family friends of McCain and the current administration,

CORRUPT banking officials...


they are also both backed by $800 BILLION DOLLARS worth of stocks and other financial instruments....


and bush family and friends now has control of FREDDIE AND FANNIE and you all are saying good!


as two more innocent parties become scapegoated for the bush administrations lies and more lies...

it might as well be a replay of Valerie Plame being the scapegoat for bushes false WMD BS...

FANNIE AND FREDDIE did as they were asked to.

WHO THEN ARE the culprits for the current fiasco?

stupid, non-competitive, incompetent, influence buying...

BORN_rich people that have no experience with anything, except electoral fraud,


influence peddling, bid rigging, price fixing, and using electoral fraud to get a hold of the government...

whoever has gotten a non compete bid from the first 6 years of the bush administration.

whoever paid Niel, George W., Jeb and George H.W.'s way through life....SAND BROTHERS in UAE, Kuwiat, Saudi

it's all a matter of record....you can attach their family holdings and anyone associated with them....

think UAE has some money? think the bushes would use it to manipulate markets????

please, SEARCH on George W. Bush, Victor Ashe, Jeff Gannon


Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

DONT YOU SEE!...its all a conspiracy, the corporate owned main stream media is against the greatest defenders of capitalism and the free market..the republican party...... BECAUSE it hates america and of course does not need the economy to continue functioning properly or ADVERTISING dollars anymore.

OF COURSE, I DIDN"T SEE IT UNTIL NOW..... they are going to put a socialistic, commie, pinko, terrorist, muslim that somehow has a racist preacher in the white house to somehow destroy America from within. OH BE AFRAID PATRIOTS, BE AFRAID....

Suspend the convention, suspend the campaign! Don't show the president at the convention because it might remind people how badly he screwed up Katrina. I guess he is the one that must not be named. In fact that was part of their plan. Obama can control nature buts it not about that...its about Experience....I mean its about Change....yeah ditto Obama change!...Oh I meant its about reform.....No its about washed up terrorist who are now college professors and THAT ONE was 8 years old!

The financial collapse is all the democrats fault by supporting Fannie and Freddie because the republican president and 6 year controlled congress were no match for the all powerful sinister democratic forces and could not possibly have done anything the past 8 years to stop it! BE AFRAID
because you probably hadn't heard of Fannie and Freddie before this and apparently neither had republicans.

OOOOOOOOOhhh be afraid,,,,,be very afraid.....because those guys that left us in prosperity 8 years ago and with a surplus are now going to TAX you until you cant afford healthcare. Oooops I forgot you already can't afford healthcare...I meant he is going to TAX you to buy overhead projectors and actually spend money on schools. What we need my friend are more wars and prisons, but SSSSHHHH....you don't say that out loud. BE AFRAID!

WHO IS THE REAL BARACK OBAMA? who is this guy...he hasn't been on TV for the last 2 years running for president.........BE AFRAID.....where did he come from? The scary black man is going to teach your toddlers about sex..... and sneak into your homes and steal your six pack!

Oh hold on...I'm going to suspend my rant for a second...psyche. BE AFRAID....
"true" americans ......He hates the troops ....... but wants to bring them home.

How insane...We cant leave IRAQ now..they only have an 80 billion dollar surplus. Lets wait until their economy is really doing better than ours. He has bad judgement but I would pick his advisor and supporter Warren Buffett to run the treasury. We are going to pay for all the mortgages AND cut taxes!

IT DOESN"T MATTER if we are not making any more sense....JUST BE AFRAID.

Archie Bunkers of the World UNITE!

NOT.

McCain...have some class.
I'm over it. I've made my decision.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: StoptheSpin | October 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rebublicans: You want to win an election?

Then give smart people in America a reason to vote for your party.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Well now isn't this just a fine rehashing of 1960's extremes?
The National Guard shot and killed college students at Ohio State: 5/4/1970 over another controversial war and policies that divided our nation.
Revolutionaries burned and bombed buildings in protest. Hawks like John McCain exploited the divisions to their own advantage and we haven't learned a damned thing from those past mistakes.
The chant of conservative used to be, "America, love it or leave it", well the way our deep divides are re-emerging there isn't going to be much to leave soon.
We had better quit our petty bickering over minor events, (and major ones), from the past. The present and our collective futures require more focus on real problems that we need to face together. Either candidate will have to modify their rhetoric once they are in office. If you are all stupid enough to believe campaign promises then you need to go back to school for a poli-sci refresher course.
Get over yourselves people of both polarized extremes. One cliché that is always true is, “united we stand, divided we fall". No one wins when we all lose.

Posted by: foothillbill | October 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign is a Body of Lies.

Time to pull the plug and let it die a natural death.

Posted by: dee5 | October 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

HEY!!!!!!!!!

what's wrong with the country and the elitist government????


they enacted a _P_L_A_N_N_E_D_ rigging of a game,


the financial market place

that PRIVATIZES PROFIT


while SOCAILIZES RISK....

_they_ the filthy rich screw up YOU pay for it

you screw up you pay for that too....


there's no risk to them, and no investment in making sure that your lives turn out okay....

but YOU THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THEM from the get go...


their risks are SOCIALIZED....part of our GOVERNMENT PAYOUT...


how do you feel about those non-compete bids for HALLIBURTON and CARLYLE GROUP


AMERICA????


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

NOTHING LIFT NOW FOR MCCAIN OTHER THEN THE WACHKO FRINGG. LONG TIME REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS ARE JUST WALKING AWAY FROM HIM SHACKING THEIR HEADS.

In my little circle I have converted a whole family (five voters) who used to get mad when they would see me waring my Obama shirt. I just today delivered them an Obama yard sign. John Mccain and Sarah Palin are cancers on the republican party and they are infecting all around them. It could not happen to a better group of people. Mccain just gave a speech and never mentioned the stock market once. He is like a kid who closes his eyes and think you can't see him. He is so full of self delusion it is amazing.


GOP Former Gov: "He Is Not The McCain I Endorsed"
Rachel Weiner October 10, 2008 11:14 AM


Former Republican Governor of Michigan William Milliken tells the Grand Rapids Press that he's "disappointed" in John McCain and the campaign he is running:

He endorsed John McCain in the presidential primary, but now former Republican Gov. William Milliken is expressing doubts about his party's nominee.

"He is not the McCain I endorsed," said Milliken, reached at his Traverse City home Thursday. "He keeps saying, 'Who is Barack Obama?' I would ask the question, 'Who is John McCain?' because his campaign has become rather disappointing to me.

"I'm disappointed in the tenor and the personal attacks on the part of the McCain campaign, when he ought to be talking about the issues."

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

When Iraq and Wall Street were off the front page, Obama went moribund in the last months of the Democratic primary. Why? Not because of racism, or even public weariness with Obama’s hope and change fluff, or his flip-flops, or occasional striking ignorance about basic history and geography. He finally began to wear on the public — as he continues to when events of the day do not smother the attention of the voter — for two reasons.

First, the public tires of all the media slant, the celebrity rants, and the shills in popular culture, that in concert hourly berate, beg, threaten, and ridicule voters on behalf of Obama. We are supposed to accept Obama’s apotheosis, replete with Latinate seal, Greek columns, biblical injunctions about the seas and atmosphere, and prophesies that he is The One whom we have been waiting for. The creepy effect of ordering us to accept our own salvation becomes cumulative. So there is a quiet unease among the voters, as there always is in America, when someone finger-points and lectures them what they must do — or else!

Second, for all the two years of nonstop campaigning, Obama somehow still remains an unknown — and for apparently good reason. He has almost no record in the Senate to speak of — other than one as America’s most predictably partisan and liberal Senator. What is known of his Chicago associates is not reassuring, and so the only defense can be silence rather than exegesis. No one knows anything of his record at Columbia University, how he got into Harvard Law School, or what he was doing until he reached Harvard, or exactly what he did as a community organizer in Chicago, or how a person with no record of legal scholarship was about to be offered tenure at the Chicago Law School. Each doubt in and of itself is of little import, but again in aggregate even the generalities make voters uneasy — especially when they hear of fraud among voter registration drives, swarming radio stations to stifle those critical of Obama, and threatened lawsuits to yank pro-McCain ads.

The odds always were against McCain. And the outcome in these last few days may be seem contingent in large part on breaking news beyond the candidates’ control. Yet McCain still has it within his own power to win the election. Obama’s view of America is mostly rosy emulation of the European Union; McCain’s is to restore fiscal sanity, keep our defenses strong, and ensure that American exceptionalism remains a fact, rather than descends into an empty slogan. In that context, it makes no sense to sneer at McCain for being behind, but a great deal to hope that he isn’t.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

This is the most assinine thing the Mccain campaign can come up with. Ask the question/ Should we first run a character check, criminal background check. or credit check on someone before we meet them? or even after we met them even though we have no reason to? If we are introduced to someone who is a University Professor what justification do we have to first do all the checks, criminal background, Credit, character, etc. Mccain should be critizing the University for hiring the person and vesting him, and also criticize the University of South Carolina and all other universities that Ayers have been invited to make academic contributions to. Then he ( John Mccain) who professes that he belives in Jesus Christ, should condem him (as he did Rod Parseley and John Hagee,) for providing redemption to man. and then his accusation of Obama may have some jsutification>

Posted by: samiaelsberesford | October 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain is shaming himself. He is a "prisoner", a POW, of this war of his own making.

The McCain low road has a sense of hysteria around it. Irrational. Discordent. Emotions of fear, contempt, painting Obama as the enemy and other. Emotion of anger for the bailout that he took part. Give me a break, Mr. McCain- a Republican- was in Congress for 26yrs. The Republicans were mostly in power over that time and were in total power over the last 7 yrs. He must think the American people are stupid.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

We Americans all of us are idiot's that's right idiot's. We get so involved in party affiliation bs and other unimportant infomation that we get pointed in the wrong direction. Time after time we have been ripped off by the politians from all sides of government as well as the greedy so called elite. It's been going on for years and will continue until we the people decide that we are no longer going to allow it. Change we must or die we will! Our country is suppose to be the best in the world because of who we are as people. We will over come this challenge ahead no doubt and no matter who wins the election the greed and the bs won't stop until we the people get over our diffences as fools and idiots. Until we all take responsibility (politians,financial and consumers )which we will in the next several months and understand that we all knew in someway that this was going to happen.
Remember the WORLD IS WATCHING US!
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change the courage to change the things that I can and the WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

STOP BEING IDIOTS!!!!!!! AMERICA!!! TAKE OF YOUR BLIND FOLDS !!!!!!

OBAMA !!!

Posted by: dgaines | October 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Picture this scene:

McCain/Palin are in the White House.

Palin becomes President because McCain "heart-beat".

Todd Palin becomes "First Dude" of the great US-of-A.

Remember that this is the same Todd Palin who was a member for a number of years with the Alaskan Independence Party that wants to cecede from the great US-of-A.

Also remember that Sarah Palin not only is palling around with Todd Palin, she lives with him and he is the father of her children.

Interesting !!

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

AverageAmerican:

You're not average and you're a lousy American. Clearly YOU have the race problem, no one is voting for obama Because he's black. The crux of your argument is that people should not vote for him because he is black. Wait, did that sound racist? Duh. Take off your pointy white hood, jerk.

Next: The link between Obama's lead and the market slump? PLEASE. I bet you like this logic too:

The ground is wet. Therefore it caused the rain last night.

Strike what you said. Reverse it. Obama is in the lead (and a larger lead by the moment by the way) as a RESULT of the market crash.

THird: Its obama's fault that a credit and market crisis that has been building since the spate of deregulation over the last decade has finally snapped the neck of a broken system? Dude, the guy is a second year senator - How oh how did he get so many repubicans and democrats who have been in office for decades to go along with his evil plans to tank the Market? Let me guess - Antichrist argument. Well done sir.

You know what? YOu're right. What else can we blame on the black guy? Thorns on roses - Obama's fault. Syringes on the Beach? Nobama (SOOOO clever too, adding the "n" before his name, how do you do it?) Where was I - yes, cold weather in winter - a democratic conspiracy to put hard working farmers out of business, masterminded by Obama. Exxon Valdez, Kennedy Assassination, The Cold War, Iran-Contra, Munich Olympic Hostages, the Shah, Amadinajab, the 1987 Stock Market Crash ALL OBAMA's FAULT! Why didn't we see it before!

Thanks for showing me the light, Well-Below AverageAmerican.

Posted by: Nemotoad | October 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

An interesting letter to the Times: The lead prosecutor on the Ayers case, William Ibershof, doesn’t buy the current McCain attacks.

“I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director. “

ADDING TO THIS: Who funded the School Project Board that Ayers and Obama shared a seat on? The Annenberg Family of Chicago who have endorsed and contributed to the max to the McCain Campaign. So, using the McCain/Palin logic, is McCain taking money from “Terrorist sympathizers”???

Of course, to expect logic in this argument from Republicans is a stretch.

Posted by: chris30338 | October 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The economy is tanking, the so-called 'Republicans' are whipping up crowds into a frenzy of fear and hate, giving them a scapegoat to blam....

Don't think it can't happen here.

Posted by: TomJx | October 10, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

This letter appears in today's New York Times:

*
As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

William C. Ibershof
Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008

Posted by: pjkiger1 | October 10, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't see what is the problem with Obama's "associations". Bill Ayers is a respectable educator now as he was when Obama sat on a board with him. Rezko has been investigated out the wazoo and nothing incriminating to Obama has been found. If they have something real, let's hear it. The Right keeps trying to make it look like they have even more about Obama but they never produce it (where's that whitey tape?).

Obama is 1,000 times smarter than McCain or anyone on his campaign so it's really no contest at this point. The McCain team keeps trying to win by doing all the old school methods and Obama dances rings around them. After the election Obama's campaign will be studied by Republicans to see what they should have done. Unfortunately for them, they'll find it involves being smart.

Posted by: bgormley1 | October 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The Post seems content to keep these sleazy tactics alive by providing them with the much-needed oxygen of their coverage. I'm pleased to see other parts of the WP devoted to the financial collapse which, let's face it, may be the story of our generation, but your desire to keep playing up the slanders reminds me of the trap the news media, including the Post, fell into with Joe McCarthy in the early 1950s after his Wheeling, WV speech. They seemed to be alarmed at what McCarthy was doing, but didn't seem able to resist the temptation to give him lots of national coverage, thus playing into his hands. At least the tracking polls today reveal that the American people are not buying what the media is stoking, no thanks to the Post and its obsessive coverage of every unsubstantiated smear.

Posted by: osullivanc1 | October 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk said

"Anyone notice that the stock market dive exactly coincides with Obama taking the lead in the polls. In other words, the market is pricing in the incredible expense a Lib leader will inflict."
------------------------------------------
king_of_zouk,
Tell us moonbats why Wall Streeters would do anything to help Liberals? According to your own posts over the years and your party's established position, Liberals are hated by Wall Street and vice versa.

You really sound desperate! Next you'll be telling us that George Bush deliberately bungled the prosecution of the Iraq War so the Liberals could gain the Whites House and a super majority in both houses!

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | October 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

What do moderates and independents think of the "associations" charge? Do they see it as more damning for one candidate over the other, considering both have "shady" associations? That's what I'd like to know. At the moment, the posts on most websites are deeply, rabidly partisan. What does the middle think?

Posted by: arcadiola | October 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk said:

"Anyone notice that the stock market dive exactly coincides with Obama taking the lead in the polls. In other words, the market is pricing in the incredible expense a Lib leader will inflict.

A McCain win would reverse this immediately."

Excellent observation. The credit crisis and the deregulation pushed by McCain, Gramm, & Co. had nothing to do with the gargantuan financial panic we see now. It was because Obama was leading in the polls! Silly me, I thought he was gaining in the ground precisely because the right-wingers were finally losing support and being held accountable for their incompetent handling of power for eight long, nightmarish years. Bush proved that modern conservatism is not about downsizing government: it's about commandeering government to suck more taxpayer money out of it to reward your contractors and cronies. Steering every piece of governmental apparatus to the Republican cause of Rove, Delay, etc. They blew it badly and now nobody takes seriously the notion that Republicans can be responsible and savvy fiscal stewards. That's as bad a joke, and just as damaging, as this one: Where exactly are those weapons of mass destruction we were told we had to get before they got us? For $10 billion a month, can't we at least dig up some Super Soakers that Saddam filled with battery acid? Right wing is broken, damaged, corrupted, useless, incompetent, feeling pain and so lashing out pathetically and mindlessly.

Posted by: Plutonium57 | October 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I remember back in the late 60's I was walking down the street in Chicago, there I saw a man running away from a building, it was Bill Ayers, he slowed his pace until he stopped at a street corner and looked around nervously as if looking for "someone" and then I saw it, a young African American boy came peddling up on his "big wheel" and stopped to speak with him, they exchanged something and then the boy peddled on as Ayers said what sounded like "Barry". Now I recognize who that boy was.

You see, this link REALLY does go deeper.

OK, seriously does anybody see how ridiculous this is?


Posted by: JRM2 | October 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

From reading a number of these comments, one things is clear. We desperately need to improve the quality of public education in this country. Really, folks, anger and typing aren't enough. Let's brush up on our grammar and spelling, and then try composing a sentence that actually makes sense.

Posted by: mhickeyps | October 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow - McCain's campaign is taking exactly the wrong tack. I mean I like the man, and this is the way for him to lose the election: to veer sharply to the right, into militia territory, when the entire country is veering to the left. A centrist campaign would be the only way to gain ground now, but with Palin in the campaign and the right fringe of the party being able to make so much noise, it's virtually impossible to to at this point. If they bring out Wright, they will sink like lead. Just as they are with Ayers. It's incredible to me that inside the campaign they can't see this. And to the activists posting here: fine, you can believe your "truth" about Obama but can't you see it's not the way to win this election? Don't you want your candidate to win?

It's not a base election. Repeat, and rinse.

Posted by: jadada | October 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk said:

"74% of CEOs Believe Obama Would Be Disastrous For The Nation A new poll has found that 74 percent of America's top business leaders fear "an Obama presidency would be disastrous for the country."

Hahahaa!!!!
Are these the same 74% of CEOs who have been destroying our industry and country with the help of the Republican administrations and Congresses for the past, let's see, at least 25 years?

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 10, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

what's wrong with the country and the elitist government????


they enacted a _P_L_A_N_N_E_D_ rigging of a game,


the financial market place

that PRIVATIZES PROFIT


while SOCAILIZES RISK....

_they_ the filthy rich screw up YOU pay for it

you screw up you pay for that too....


there's no risk to them, and no investment in making sure that your lives turn out okay....

but YOU THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THEM from the get go...


their risks are SOCIALIZED....part of our GOVERNMENT PAYOUT...


how do you feel about those non-compete bids for HALLIBURTON and CARLYLE GROUP


AMERICA????


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

BO'B is doin' alright. Keep every attack tied to the economy.

"The stock market has fallen to it's lowest level in 8 years, people are losing their jobs, while corporations are receiving tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas...

...It's no wonder why John McCain wants to distract voters by turning the page on the economy. Because it is the policies that he supported the got us into this mess."

We don't have to sink to their level to beat them at their game

Posted by: brianiwakiri | October 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

so uh....help me out here....


wouldn't money laundering outfits be pushing subprime to feed the demand for money that wasn't looked at too hard? Word goes out, "just get a mortgage sold....we got backers...."


when I was in D.C. the drug mafia was making loans at Hotel in Tysons Corner, Virginia at a really good rate, sort of like a "job fair"....1993 any foreigners buy your banks lately?


how's that Bank America thing working out?

how's those Royal Banks working out?


wake up AMERICA.


hey pundits, if AMERICANs have historically consumed 70 PerCENT of what the world produces and they stop consuming,


'cause they gots no mone ay! what happens to the world?


can you say, "ash can" three times quickly?


grow up...take your country back from the perps...


and put them in charge a cell.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The scary part of this whole mess is that most people, republicans and democrats, just don't get it. First educate yourself - check out what the politically neutral financial experts are saying about the current crisis. Then look at the stock market graph since 1929 on Yahoo finance in LINEAR mode. See where the index shot up. Now, look up the Glass-Steagall act - which was the fix put in place by the government after the 1929 disaster to keep banks from investing in risky business. This fix worked - there was gradual growth until about 1980. Then we got hungry and BI-PARTISAN action in government repealed part of the Glass-Steagall act. Then about 1999 the rest of the act was scrapped by BI-PARTISAN action and look at how the stock market shot up. Credit, credit and more credit. Shop till you drop. Land developers making billions. This would not be bad if it were in moderation - but it has not been. Obama is the only candidate who has even come close to pinpointing this problem.

Now for you thirty somethings who don't have a clue what it was like during the Vietnam war here is a little education from this 60 year old US Navy Veteran (and 2006 UW alumni by the way) yes I am bragging: As for connection to "terrorists", how about the national guard members who shot the unarmed students at Kent State? And Kent's mayor Leroy Satrom, and then governor James Rhodes who ordered the national guard in; are they terrorists? What about the My Lai Massacre? Was that terrorism? Students were protesting this. Does that make them terrorists too? How quickly we all forget the mood of the country at that time. We were committing atrocities in Vietnam and would not stop and young men were being forced to fight in that war. Pointing a finger at someone else always leaves 3 more pointing right back. Get over it MCCAIN. Suggesting that Obama has "connections to terrorists" is so ludicrous it is insane. How many women and children did you kill when you dropped bombs on Vietnam?

Posted by: the_piano_man | October 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Ayers or even Keating, there is one person McCain cannot deny having a cozy relationship with: Phil Gramm. Gramm is wedded to the policies many people are blaming for the current financial crisis. Don't just use the whiner line, Gramm has a rich past in economic and financial matters. If Obama is going to launch an attack ad, it should be all Gramm all the time.

Posted by: caribis | October 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Aufrichtig! Lunch time!


Obama bin Biden in '08!!!

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

let's see who owns the wall street journal?????


Rupert Murdoch...George W's but budday....


and what does Rupert stand for???? propaganda....media control


control of the media to act as a propaganda machine...

for the elitist class......Rupert was aided in AUSTRALIA by CIA intervention in Australian politics...


anything coming from the Wall Street Journal AT THIS POINT,

is suspect....

READ THIS: It's about Robert M. Gates, IRAN - CONTRA FELON and CURRENT APPONITED Secretary of Defense....and

propaganda minister for Karl Rove


It is worth recalling the history of the Golden Crescent drug trade, which is intimately related to the CIA's covert operations in the region since the onslaught of the Soviet-Afghan war and its aftermath.

Prior to the Soviet-Afghan war (1979-1989), opium production in Afghanistan and Pakistan was directed to small regional markets. There was no local production of heroin. (Alfred McCoy,

Drug Fallout: the CIA's Forty Year Complicity in the Narcotics Trade.

The Progressive, 1 August 1997).


The Afghan narcotics economy was a carefully designed project of the CIA, supported by US foreign policy.


As revealed in the IRAN-CONTRA and Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) scandals, CIA covert operations in support of the Afghan Mujahideen had been funded through the laundering of drug money. "Dirty money" was recycled --through a number of banking institutions (in the Middle East) as well as through anonymous CIA shell companies--, into "covert money," used to finance various insurgent groups during the Soviet-Afghan war, and its aftermath....AL QUEADA....

The Laundering of Drug Money

The proceeds of the drug trade are deposited in the banking system. Drug money is laundered in the numerous offshore banking havens in Switzerland, Luxembourg, the British Channel Islands, the Cayman Islands and some 50 other locations around the globe. It is here that the criminal syndicates involved in the drug trade and the representatives of the world's largest commercial banks interact. Dirty money is deposited in these offshore havens, which are controlled by the major Western commercial banks. The latter have a vested interest in maintaining and sustaining the drug trade.

Once the money has been laundered, it can be recycled into bona fide investments not only in real estate, hotels, etc, but also in other areas such as the services economy and manufacturing. Dirty and covert money is also funneled into various financial instruments including the trade in derivatives, primary commodities, stocks, and government bonds.

ooooooooooooooooooooooo la la.....

wake up little susie, wake up....


Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

ALRIGHT PEOPLE: You have ALL made up your minds. If you want to help, GO BACK TO WORK!!! You're not changing anyones minds here, just pointless bickering.

Go back to work, or your families, or school, just do something thats productive to you and society.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The irony in Mcain's recent attacks are rich.

This is madness, pure madness.

If only his fellow "prisoners" as he would put it realized what suckers they are being played for.

Everything he is accusing Obama of is of his own doing.

If "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" then how does a guy who'd been a Senator for less than two-years "Run it into a ditch" while a guy who's been deregulating for god knows how long and has the chief architect of deregulation as his economic advisor and his campaign manager lobbying for freddie and fannie have no effect?

I don't care who you take it from Mr. McCain but you definitely need some lessons in telling the truth from someone.

This is disgusting Mr. McCain, you are purposefully bringing out the worst in human nature by your gross exaggerations and flat-out lies. You should be held liable.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Here is a glimpse of what the Lib admin has to offer:

Obama Hired ACORN For GOTV Obama's campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal ACORN for services the Democrat's campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records An analysis of campaign finance records by The NYT this week found nearly 3,000 donations to Obama from more than a dozen people with apparently fictitious donor information New York Times

Obama Tried To Sway Iraqis On Bush Deal As Bush was negotiating an agreement to keep the U.S. military in Iraq, Obama tried to convince Iraqi leaders in private conversations that the president shouldn't be allowed to enact the deal Washington Times


Our Tax Dollars At Work One Voter - 72 Registrations: 'ACORN Paid Me Cash' A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal said yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times New York Post


Federal Judge Rules Ohio Must Check Voters Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner is breaking federal law by not giving county elections boards the chance to determine whether new voter registrations are fraudulent, says federal judge Columbus Dispatch


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Records Document Obama - Ayers Link The relationship between Obama and domestic terrorist Ayers went deeper, ran longer and was more political than Obama -- and his surrogates -- have revealed, documents and interviews show CNN

Obama 'Lying' About Muslim Past, Expert Says Barack Obama is lying when he insists that he has never prayed in a mosque and was never a Muslim, prominent Middle East expert Daniel Pipes says Newsmax


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74% of CEOs Believe Obama Would Be Disastrous For The Nation A new poll has found that 74 percent of America's top business leaders fear "an Obama presidency would be disastrous for the country." Newsbusters


In The Tank Media Mum On Obama's Membership In Socialist New Party Now that Barack Obama's membership in the far left New Party has been unearthed, will the old media report his membership in that Socialist organization? Newsbusters

Decision to Teach Kids To Be 'Gay' Allowed To Stand A federal court decision approving mandatory public school instruction for children as young as kindergarten in how to be homosexual is being allowed to stand Worldnetdaily

Video Farrakhan On Obama: 'The Messiah Is Absolutely Speaking' Video of Farrakhan addressing a large crowd behind a podium Feb. 24 with a Nation of Islam Saviour's Day 2008 sign, proclaiming Obama as the new Messiah Worldnetdaily

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Former Federal Prosecuter William Iberhof has an interesting Letter to the Editor in the New York Times today. It begins:

"As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago."

Posted by: thrh | October 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Do those of you throwing around words like “socialism” and Marxism” even know what they mean or imply, or are they words you heard on Faux News and think you know what they mean? A simple Google search using one of the myriad of online dictionaries could enlighten you so you could defend your remarks with examples. You’ll even learn that there are different forms of each adopted by different organizations or governments. Here are a couple lines from a couple of sites.
“Socialism. According to Joseph Schumpeter, socialism is the public ownership of the means of production and distribution; but in American parlance it is often used pejoratively to describe any attempt at governmental regulation or intervention. As an economic concept, it is independent of political concepts like democracy and authoritarianism as well as of theological notions like atheism (as in "Godless Marxism") or religiosity (as in Christian or Jewish socialism).”
http://www.utoledo.edu/as/pspa/faculty/LINDEEN/GLOS3260.HTM

So are you accusing supporters of Obama of ushering in economic socialism or cultural/political socialism?
“Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth into a small section of society who controls capital, and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.[1]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Admit it. How many of you are closet socialists. Where is our middle class now? How many of you think that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer? How many of you feel it isn’t fair that so few have so much and so many have so little? That’s a socialistic concept.

As for who has introduced socialism into our economy and our culture, it is the Bush administration and Congress; i.e. The Bailout. The government is buying up industry to hold then redistribute over time. The citizens are becoming part owners in what were once private enterprises.
Please educate yourselves before making unsubstantiated claims.

Posted by: phoenix11 | October 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't be a RACIST!

VOTE FOR McCAIN/PALIN!!!

It's lunch time, later "Moonbats"

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:


Your logic re: Obama rising =stock market falling is a classic!

Keep entertaining us with your spectacular idiocy, oh for another 3 weeks or so.


Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

>If McCain thinks Ayers is the answer, he's asking the wrong question. And voters know it.

If McCain supporters dont think Obama is going to hit McCain over the head with in the last debate, your in for a real wake up call.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Voters want to hear what Palin/McCain will do about the economy.

They don't care about anyone's past associations any more.

It looks like McCain is changing the subject from what voters care about--the economy--to something they don't care about, past associations.

For heaven's sake, the Palins are secessionists!

AND

why didn't McCain bring this up during the debate with "that one"? Is it me, or has anyone noticed how McCain simply cannot or will not make eye contact with Obama?

McCain is looking more and more like a creepy old man.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

AverageAmerican1:

You're so boring, so...well, average...

Geht zu schlufen, bitte.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

>Does Obama represent change? What change?

You'll find out on Jan 20th.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I have been watching the election for the past two years in which I listened to many great talking points by all the candidates.
The one thing I noticed on the Republicans side is that the conservatives were looking for a Reagan standard bearer to counteract the effect of the Bush years and they were jumping candidates to candidates in vain hope that person will win despite many mistakes they were making. When McCain won the nomination, they had a hard time accepting him but felt they have no choice.
McCain campaign started arguing experience and offering the same policies of Bush as a slogan that would put him in the WH. Indicators of the economic slowdown and the need for change was brewing for the last few years. When McCain found that he was having trouble getting his message across, he put someone with thin experience as his running mate and started changing the message of "the maverick" and the "change is coming". That's when the economy became the issue and still he change his message once again to attacking Obama with many falsehood ads that were outed by the media and attacking people who mentions anything bad about Palin. Still he continues to attack rather talk about the economy because he does not have anything new to offer.
In summary McCain has been hijacked by the Republican operatives. As a result he may fire up his base but continues to alienates the voters who are turned off by this.
My opinion, McCain, please continue to do this because you have shown me to be desperate and doing anything to win this election and the way the financial turmoil that is effecting this economy is making you sink further.

Posted by: beeker25 | October 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone notice that the stock market dive exactly coincides with Obama taking the lead in the polls. In other words, the market is pricing in the incredible expense a Lib leader will inflict.

A McCain win would reverse this immediately.

Can you moonbats do me a small favor. Lie to the pollsters until I can get my money out of the market. Tell them you are not as stupid as you once were and you have finally seen the truth.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

If McCain thinks Ayers is the answer, he's asking the wrong question. And voters know it.

Posted by: TomJx | October 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm McCain camp tries to manipulate the facts in their ads. I don't trust them.

They couldn't do justice, because they have nothing, just mere implications but no depth of condemning facts on Obama with these other people.

The Obama camp, however, had the facts in the Keating Economics ad that displayed proof of McCain dead smack in the middle of it all, protecting Keating with knowledge that Keating was corrupt on the people's money, taking trips with it even. Why McCain was literally protecting deregulation by supporting and participating with Keating, and literally doing work with Phil Gramm. The people paid for their collective actions. When people notice what is going on with the economy, it is no wonder now, that McCain's first response to us would be to give us off the wall statements like the "economy is fundamentally strong." Maybe it's like his pal Phil Gramm said, it's only our imagination. Yet, when it hit the fan in Washington, McCain played the campaign suspension, and was ticked that Obama called him out on it and talked about multi-tasking on the issues, and addressing the people on those issues.

Obama doesn't have to distract us from the issues to get ahead. He finds it important to talk to us on the issues, unlike the "experienced" McCain and Palin. I'm sorry, but that is a sign of weakness during this campaign process and I'm done with having a weak leader in the White House after these past some years. This isn't leadership.

McCain said he knows how to win wars, but he doesn't know how to win the country over on his policies, given the current circumstances. I need him to tell me why I should trust him in the White House, with his evident level of thought process as we've seen of recent. I need him to sell his plans, and display leadership. Right now, he's drowning compared to Obama.

Come on Ohio, Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina, and Florida!! Way to go!! It's our time!

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

BO'B is doin' alright. Keep every attack tied to the economy.

"The stock market has fallen to it's lowest level in 8 years, people are losing their jobs, while corporations are receiving tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas...

...It's no wonder why John McCain wants to distract voters by turning the page on the economy. Because it is the policies that he supported the got us into this mess."

We don't have to sink to their level to beat them at their game.

Posted by: brianiwakiri | October 10, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

You guys should have picked Romney or or Hucabee. They were far better candidates.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

janye1 said:

"You seem to have a haughty, better than others attitude. Did socialism teach you this?"

Darlin', I love your severely understated
reaction to my purposefully obnoxious statement. The point was to rattle Americans up away from their irrational, non-epistemic, and even inbred fear of the term "socialism".


Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Does Obama represent change? What change? Has he ever changed anything? What suggest he will make a change in the White House? Anyone who had to resort to getting lawyers to throw all other opponents off the ballot to win by default in Chicago most likely represents a change contrary to American Ideology. In fact, his record as a Senator shows that he follows the direction of the Democratic Party very closely, a real party puppet, not much change there, just politics as usual... McCain on the other hand follows what he believes is right regardless of the political norms of his party.

One could make a very good case that the ONLY change Obama would represent is a Black Man in the White House! I’ve conversed with a poster here who says that is why she will vote for Obama! I guess he's a novelty of the guilty minded white man, what other merits dose he have? Community Organization? Reading from a teleprompter? Just let it stop working and you'll be amazed at the empty head! I say, with no record of change or experience at all, Obama is dangerously under qualified! He would be strictly a Party surrogate. To vote for Obama, while touting "change", being such an under qualified candidate, in light of his lack of economic, military or foreign experience, is to vote based solely on his race. That makes you a racist if you vote for Obama! Making decisions based only on race.

Shame on you.

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Checks and balances? Weaken our military? Have you not been watching the last 8 years. The only check and balance is made by the loadmaster on bombing missions.

Our military does not strengthen when you kill them off, use all the equipment and not replace it.

If your economy goes under, so will the military.

The deficit will be 700 billion this year, the national debt over 10 trillion, and 52 trillion in credit swaps going bust hasn't even happened.

Taxes? You have to have a job to pay taxes. No jobs, no taxes, no military.

Posted by: ender3rd | October 10, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Pretty surreal, the global economy in a free fall and McCain devotes his time to trying to dredge up a political rerun from the primaries: Ayers etc.I guess in a way you could say McCain has suspended his heroic rescue of the world economy, to race to a pitiful political attack. I sure hope he gets back to the tiller soon so he can make things all better again and erase middle-class economic anxiety! Because I know him and the Baroness of Beer, his wife, have a lot of sympathy for the little guy! Go McNasty go! Pathetic. When battleground after battleground slips away, you resemble a cornered baboon and start hurling your own feces. None of it will stick. Obama's going to win and I'm delighted!

Posted by: Plutonium57 | October 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

>The Democrats were first to chose someone not based on qualification or merit, but race?

hahaha. You actually have the balls to make such a claim after McCain picked Palin?

More hypocracy.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The fact that it is taking the Dems 3 times as much money to barely see a lead should sound the alarm that Obama is NoBama!

NoBama is dangerously under qualified as he demonstrated during last night’s debate to all but the blind when he told Pakistan that he intended to invade!

This is the wrong time for his inexperience!

We have too much at stake for such naiveté! I’m sorry that we can’t “continue his dream of America” but reality must take hold!

Everyone realizes that NoBama has no military or foreign relations experience and to objectively look at the world situation and the dangers we face and suggest NoBama is the answer, is to put this Country at jeopardy in order to further a selfish agenda.

Furthermore, NoBama is a Democratic party-puppet! He always dose what his party mandates! No bi-partisanship ever! This alone demonstrates he is the wrong choice for the times!

And then there’s the current economic crisis for which NoBama bears significant responsibility…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

We need a President who is a PROVEN independent decision-maker, not a party puppet!

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Ouch! the truth hurts.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think it was possible to lose this much respect for a man in a matter of weeks. Does Senator McCain want to be president so badly that he's willing to trash his reputation? And kill the country at the same time?

Obviously the answer is yes.

To think I supported him in the primary. I apologize to the Huckabee and Romney campaigns.

Posted by: amaikovich | October 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

>I'm glad to see that you acknowledge the fact that Obama has a 20+ year record of EXTREAMLY BAD judgment for someone wanting to be President.

i dont recall the Keating 5 scandal being exactly stellar jusdgement on McCains part. That cost tax payer billions.

More hypocracy.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

It is the Democrats who are to blame for the untraditional choice made by the Republicans in this race.

The Democrats were first to chose someone not based on qualification or merit, but race? On top of their faulty decision-making process, they picked someone who has EVEN LESS relevant experience than Palin, and for the Presidency, none the less! Wow, how irresponsible is that?!?

So we are left to speculate why the Democrats made this choice? Clearly not for the experience Obama has, Community Organizer? Please! The only evident attribute is race. After all, the man is only a first generation American, his father came from Africa. That explains Obama's resistance to honoring our National Anthem and Flag. The general respect and national pride we learned as children just wasn't imparted to Obama as his father did not hold American Values closely enough.

Having said all this, it becomes even clearer that Palin is MORE qualified to step in as President in a moments notice than Obama is.

But to stay on your topic, blame the Democrats for not being a Party of enough substance to generate a truly qualified candidate and then remember their extremely poor decision-making process... They chose to take this election in an untraditional direction which means sometimes you have to fight fire with a bigger and better fire!

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

>When I bring up Obama's associations ... They are not "just smears" they are indicators of who he IS, and where he's coming from.

Yeah, but you dont objectively do this for McCain or Palin. Its a double standard.

It's hypocritical.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Distraction and Distortion. Hate and Fear is all they've got. It won't work and everyone associated with it sullies themselves.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

dbw1 said:

"..pack your crap, and move to another country!"

I'd rather stay right here, in my country called USA, and improve it by fighting fascist scum like yourself, tooth & nail.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Dark, haunting satire of these times. This is the most brilliant thing I have read on the McCain negative campaign so far:

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/fear-and-loathing-in-town-hall.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Fear and Loathing in the Town Hall: A Predictive Fantasy

(The camera looks at the hall from above, into the hall, from the POV of the stage. Red meat has been hung from the walls and rafters, along with dollar bills which, upon closer inspection, are prop money.

The crowd is seated. They are strangely quiet. Their manner is that between those who are waiting for their instructions, post-op surgical recoverees, and post-war survivors. They are slightly slumped, in the same posture.

The candidates enter from opposite sides of the rear of the stage and walk to their podiums. The crowd rises as one and cheers with a loud, aggressive fervor reflective of their desperation.

Obama is standing tall in stride, looking a bit overcome by the experience, although genuine. McCain is smiling--his cheerful public grimace, although there is some genuine pleasure. His eyes have the slightest glaze of a gradually oncoming fog.)

MODERATOR: Tonight is a different format--one where you, the public, can ask your questions directly to the candidates. None of the questions have been screened in advance, and the candidates have been given no advance notice of what the questions, or who the questioners, might be. And with that, we begin. Our first question:

CITIZEN 1: My name is Jan, I'm from Murfreesboro? I've been watching the news, and I'm scared. I can't say that I've listened much about the stock market before? But I know that it's going down, and that's bad. I don't know what's going to happen to my job, or my house, or my kids. My question is for Mr. McCain? What will you do to help us understand what is going on, and to make it clear just what you will do about it?

(Crowd applauds vigorously as Jan sits down with a bit of embarrassment).

MCCAIN: (Holding the top of the rostrum with both hands and smiling): Well, first, I want to welcome each of you here tonight. You know, I know what each of you are feeling. I think that each of you must be scared--as I am, of not verifying myself in my father's and my grandfather's eyes. But, that's not so important today--or, at least saying it isn't. What is most important is to appear that I understand an economy that just months ago I said that I had little understanding of at all. I want to win. I need it, frankly, as a way of overcoming my own personal horrors and demons, of overcoming the anger that was bestowed and thrust, unwillingly, upon me. And that's why I'm still willing, even as the sharpest edges of mental function fade, to propel myself through this mass of insult. I understand how to respond to insult. With anger. And impulse. And that's what I'll bring to the White House, come January of 2009.

(Crowd applauds vigorously)

MODERATOR: The next question is for Senator Obama.

CITIZEN 2: Thanks. My name is Ross, from Shreveport. First-time caller, long-time listener. My question is: Senator Obama, it's not an error that you were given the middle name "Barack". We know that that is the same name of the murderous. Communist leader of Iran--and that's no accident. (A slight murmur from the crowd. The moderator looks vaguely stunned, but does not interrupt). Now, when you were going to Russia, with Bill Ayers, and dodging the draft--just like William Jefferson Clinton--(speaking more quickly now, more aggressively, turning to the crowd)--why weren't you here at home, saving our banks from the Liberals and the Socialists who want to take our money away from us and just give it to the terrorists?

SARAH PALIN: (Poking her head out from the wings, with a big smile): You betcha'!

(She withdraws).

OBAMA: Well. First of all, I also want to welcome you all here tonight. You know, I know that this is a difficult time. Many of you are worried about your jobs, your families, your homes. There are times that test a man's soul, and every woman's as well. And I know that this may be one of those times. I can understand why you would be frightened, even angry at what this nation has done. But we are a nation that has risen up in adversity even in the best of times, we found our strength, and honor, and courage, our ability to work as one, when faced with the most difficult situations. And I want to call on each of you, in that spirit of patriotic sacrifice, to join with me in that effort in the days ahead.

(Silence. Then applause, as the recognition of actual thought begins to spread through the crowd. It swells, and finally, subsides).

MODERATOR: The next question is for Senator McCain.

CITIZEN 3 (He is a man who appears to be in his early 40's wearing blue jeans that are stiff and obviously brand-new. They are perfectly creased. He is wearing a tight fitting, also obviously new T-Shirt that says "Average American...And Black With Rage!" beneath which is an American flag. He is wearing black wing-tip shoes. ). Senator McCain, I'm just an average American, just an average Joe, just your Average Joe-Sixpack (Blackberry begins ringing)...Oh...
excuse me...just...a...sec...my boss's phone...(whispering tensely into phone:) "No...I said sell. Sell. Yes, the entire portfolio. No, not Ghanan timber, for god's sake, gold, the lot of it. Jesus H....(tucks Blackberry back into pants pocket and then readjusts his stance to that of average Joe, slumping to one side again and changing his voice back to it's original tenor). Like I said, just an average Joe Sixpack. And I'm wonderin'. I heard what Mr. Hussein just said about "rising up", and I'm wonderin' if that's exactly what he wants to do! Oh, sure, he wants us to band together to rise up--where have we heard that before? Socialists! That's what they do! (crowd begins to murmur, and in the rising heat, the smell of the fresh meat begins to waft faintly through the hall). Rise up! That's what he wants to do! Well, we need to rise up! Against those kind of Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Atheist, Marxist policies! (the crowd is talking, some nodding their heads). And so what I want to ask you, Sen. McCain (crowd quiets), as an average everyday American, is this: What is it like, being a fighter pilot and all, when you know that Barack Hussein was out there, palling around with his Communist friends?

MCCAIN: Well, my friend--and by that, I mean that all of you are my friends--I'm glad you asked. Not everyone has had the luxury of gaining an education merely on the basis of their own talent, or the opportunity to travel the world learning how to be separate from important family members without their having significant pull, or to be able to experience the variety of foods that one has the chance to consume when they are paid for by the State. And, I can say that, in that way, I haven't been quiet as lucky. But I will say this--I will not look such fortune in the face and say: 'Fine, I'll work on education with the Bill Ayers of this world', "I'll be at the top of my class at Harvard", when I can be down, down there with you at the bottom! I know what it's like to be at the bottom when I've had all the opportunities--and I want to share that experience with those of you who have had none. You're angry. I'm angry. We have that in common. Let's be angry together, satisfied that, for another for four years, we've put those who have the arrogance to think for extended periods in their place, content in knowing that we're right--even if we're wrong.

CITIZEN 4: Hiya. My name is George, from Midland, altho' some would say Kennebunkport, heh, heh. I have a question for ya, John, and it's this. Listen: I'm goin' to be out of a job soon. Oil futures aren't lookin' that good, and I've got to tell ya', I didn't have too much luck there in the first place. So I'd like to ask ya, one flyin' man to another--what do you think I oughta do?

PALIN: (emerges from wings with purposeful strides to McCain's podium): I've got to take this one, John. Mr. Bush, if you can't figure out what you want to do after you leave and we move in, take a little time off, and then you come right up to Alaska. They love hunting just like you--and you can fly, you can learn to do it from a plane! The pipeline's big enough for any number of mistakes. So you come up here when you're finished--we've got plenty of bars with plenty of bowls of nuts and plenty of televisions right on Wasiila Main street--we'll take care of you right!

(Bush smiles and sits, crowd applauds, Palin, smiling and waving, exits).

CITIZEN 5: Well, look. This is a serious question. I'm John, from Carpenter. It's for both of you. I've got two kids, 4 and 6, a boy and a girl--so sweet. You know. My wife, she was working for the WaMu branch, center of town. It's closing next week. She's been looking in the ads, the newspapers, online--nothing. It's all she can do to keep a smile on her face for the kids. Myself, I built a commerical trucking business from the ground up. Sixteen years. Sweat everyday, grease on my hands, I can never get it out. We were never rich, but I made a good living. I didn't know about investing--who does, you're not born with it! Anyway, I went to an investment advisor, it seemed like the safe thing to do, protect the kids, plan for the future, not use my own dumb head (smiles). Well, he was so smart, and he was so sure, and he had it all planned out. And it looked so impressive on paper. Now--all of a sudden--it's gone. Everything is changing. It's changing so quickly. It seems like nobody--nobody knew. Not even the people who were supposed to! Everybody was talkin', makin noise, thinkin' of one thing: Themselves, themselves, themselves. Never worrying to think about someone else, about the future, about the next moment.

Well, now the next moment is here. And I wanna know--what are the two of you really going to do about it?

(The room is quiet as his last word echoes in the hall. The raw meat is rocking, slowly in the air, and the paper bills are gently fluttering). You can see Palin in profile, standing in the wings, holding her chin in her hand. The two candidates stare straight ahead, holding the podium. They are silent).

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/fear-and-loathing-in-town-hall.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

franglais,

I'm glad to see that you acknowledge the fact that Obama has a 20+ year record of EXTREAMLY BAD judgment for someone wanting to be President.

I think he would be well qualified to be a Farrakhan flunky, but little else.

These are the reasons Obama should not be elected, he is not qualified in any respect!

As for Palin, she won't be the decision maker now will she? Even if she was, she has MUCH more Executive Branch than the whole Democratic Ticket!

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The republican smear tactic has really shown us what sort of MAN mcCAIN isn't.
now other republican supporters are following their leader and coming up with any type of dirty smearing they can find, just reading many of the posts here demonstrates they are extremely desperate. I'm glad to see Obama has not fallen to their nasty level. How bad is it when they have nothing better to nit pick besides when he hung out with a hippie protester in the 60's as a teen.

Posted by: bartybates | October 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

You guys keep looking for some proof, some evidence some smoking gun, some gattcha moment, that Obama is an evil man who wants to harm america.

Yet everyday for 2 years straight he has been on TV, debates, interviews, the senate and nothing hes done or said links to this.

You use his middle name with racial inuendo, post picture of him trying to try him as some foreigner, call him muslim (as if thats some crime).

It's racist. Its disgusting. It's shallow. It's wrong.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a fool. The only people who care about this now are the people who should already be firmly in his camp. The rest of us are much, much, much more concerned about the economy and how to avoid The Great Depression II; a subject about which McCain is poorly equipped to address since he and his Republican buddies caused it the crisis with deregulation and lax oversight.

Posted by: matt_ahrens | October 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin and the anti-American Alaskan Independence Party... her husband was actually a member of this group. She tried to appoint one of these radicals to city office as mayor. Watch a radical talk about his close ties to her: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

gosforth1--you need to do your homework. A McCain delegate this year, 2008, not 40 years ago, is died to violence at abortion clinics. That is, a domestic terrorist who was actually convicted (unlike Ayers). McCain was also on a board with direct ties to the Iran-Contra affair--a group that was antisemetic and involved in killings. McCain was warned by Barry Goldwater to stay away, and didn't. He's got a lot of skeletons in his closet, and they are about to be brought out. These are contemporaneous involvements, not anything like the Ayers connection.

Posted by: USneedsObama | October 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

See the disturbing close friendship of Sarah Palin and an anti-American group here at: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Put Keating out there. Make it an experiment to see how much people care about inside Washington baseball.

Posted by: AWAustin | October 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

This smacks of desperation, pure and simple.

Posted by: Heron | October 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

nerakami...
I agree 100% This is all I've ever asked for. If you cover one you must cover the other. And considering the tone some of McCain/Palin rallys are taking on there is a lot to question and look into. "Bitter" went on for how long? Nothing McCain or Palin has said or done has matched the Obama headline minutes as it should. And I'd be willing to take on ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, etc... on that issue. People keep saying the media has favored him, but he has received more negative minutes than anyone and many times it wasn't about him directly. Here we have stuff directly related and the news seems to shy away from covering it. I'd like to see DAILY reports like what we had with Obama on Palin and McCain. "that one" should follow McCain until election day. "Kill him" should follow Palin around until election day. But if she is nothing more than a puppet then I can understand. Republican used girl and used her good.

Posted by: greglh | October 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Sarah (proud supporter) and Todd Palin (seven year member)...Alaskan Independence Party...Radical Right Wing Group that was founded on the violent overthrow of the Untied States of America.

By the way, this is not 40 year old news, this is 2008.

Posted by: snman37922 | October 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

By the logic of guilt by association used by McCain/Palin it could be said that Palin herself is a terrorist because of her and her husband's association with the Alaskan Independence Party, a secessionist organization whose founder was murdered during an illegal sale of plastic explosives. Palin gave the key note speech to the AIP's 2006 convention and sent a video address in 2008. Her husband recently dropped his membership. Additionally, McCain could be accused of cronyism and corruption for his association with Charles Keating. People living in glass houses should not throw stones.

Posted by: kylix1 | October 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

When I bring up Obama's associations ... They are not "just smears" they are indicators of who he IS, and where he's coming from.

Obama associations scare me ... watch both these vids to see why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3kvW0cGZvQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

>According to this article McCain had Contra terrorist connections and PERSONALLY funded them, a group that committed inhuman atrocities... Read this, you'll be shocked!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/john-mccains-terrorist-co_b_133326.html

Oh dont bring this up! Conservatives want to ignore it!

Hypocrites!

You sheep are selling your souls to win an election all for party affiliation. Your the worse kind of Americans!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama has spent 20+ years saying "Amen!" to anti-American, racial hate-speech from his Spiritual Advisor Mr. Wright
-------------------------------------

And Palin has been "exorcised" of witches by a nutty pastor in one of her many churches.

And PALIN'S HUSBAND TODD used to be in a political party whose main goal is to secede from the US.

And Palin has spoken at their conventions...
AS RECENTLY AS THIS YEAR!!!

REPEAT:
Sarah Palin's husband was (is still?) in an ANTI-AMERICAN political party, whose former leader said this:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

That, my friend, is guilt by association.

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

(Yawn...) Desperate move. No one's listening to this drivel. McCain is wasting his time and ours.

Obama '08

Posted by: motorcitymarionette | October 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Here is a picture of him at the 2008 in Feb. the front of the podium is not even the same. They added the date to make the fake a little better to sell.


http://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/hmlf_sd2008.jpg

===========
popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers's radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

From Dickmorris.com

Posted by: konalimu | October 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 11:37 AM | "George W. Bush is dealing with Clinton's Policy as well as a two front War on Terror that was initiated by 9/11."

9/11 DID NOT initiate the War on Terror. Two US embassies in Africa were bombed in 1998 and Clinton responded with a cruise missile attack on Al Qeada bases in Afghanistan (at the time it happened, the GOP accused him of "wagging the dog"). The WTC was first bombed in 1993. In 1985 the Achille Lauro was hijacked. In 1983 a Marine barracks in Beirut was bombed. There are many other instances of attacks and bombings, even a few by American terrorists like ultraconservative Timothy McVeigh (who makes Ayers look like a kitty-cat). Doesn't anybody remember Reagan sending F-111's to bomb targets in Libya in the 1980's? That was an act of war, we were in a de facto war on terror at that time. We've known for decades that there are members of radical groups who intend to attack the US. Claiming that 9/11 was the first shot in this war is ridiculous.

Posted by: maximumverb | October 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

This story is so fake. I guess all those Republicans who sat on the same board as Ayers are friends to terrorists too? Obama has nothing to do with this radical agenda of Ayers.He was 8 years old. If you look at all the fundraisers of McCain, you see very controversial figures like G. Gordon Liddy, the Watergate Burgler. And what about McCain's preacher endorsers who hate Jews and Catholics? What does that make McCain? And McCain was on the Board of a group that sold arms to Iran after they took our people hostage. What does that make McCain? This is the only thing McCain has. But Palin actually addressed a radical anti-American group this year. That is very disturbing. Watch: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I hope Obama will ignore McCain's petty little sniping and concentrate on delivering a major economic recovery plan on the scale of the New Deal, Great Society and the Marshall Plan. The world needs big ideas coming from America. Obama has the opportunity to become a great leader. GWBush had the same opportunity after 9-11 but he totally blew it. McCain doesn't have the stuff and never will. Obama has the right stuff and he needs to start becoming our leader immediately. Get Buffett, Clinton, Bloomberg and other experts to draw up a bold plan who will also campaign on Obama's behalf for a global economic recovery program.

Posted by: TeddyRoosevelt | October 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

When you are fighting a brand, you must redefine the brand. "Change" means what? Is change the "Robin Hood tax policies" of traditional Democrats that shifts earned wealth from productive people and small businesses that create jobs to those who have not had the same success?

Is change adding billions of new entitlement programs as promised by Obama in a time of record deficits? That is certain to make the recession deeper and last longer.

Is change altering our spending priorities away from national defense and weakening our military or homeland security in a time of uncertainty both at home and abroad?

Democrats will still control both houses of Congress and add more House and Senate members after this election. I promise you they are not about change. They are about taxing and spending.

Electing President Obama would eliminate important checks and balances on liberal Democratic power in Washington and that could be a disaster. It was a disaster when Bush and the Republicans controlled it all. It was a disaster when Clinton and the Democrats controlled it all.

Posted by: konalimu | October 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

>Sarah Palin palling around with secessionists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

Oh dont bring this up! Conservatives want to ignore it!

The SOB who founded this organisation said worse thing about america than Wright!

Hypocrites!

You sheep are selling your souls to win an election all for party affiliation. Your the worse kind of Americans!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I have a friend in one of the states they're targeting with these ads. She's probably the type being targeted. She's pretty much independent though would probably lean Republican. She can be pretty ditzy and gullible (and she knows it). But even she knows how to use the internet to check claims that imply a presidential candidate is all but a terrorist. And in checking out the things they say about Obama guess what? She finds what is said about McCain too...

And what she cares about? Ohh yeah they can barely afford to live. Medical bills, etc they're facing bankruptcy. But hey some guy they never heard of was a terrorist decades before she was born? That's important too I guess. It's actually offensive to people like her that they're seen as so dumb they'd just see the word terrorist in a 30 second ad and forget everything else and that's that.

Posted by: delusionalangel | October 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I love reading comments about how the direction of the stock market is the direction of the economy.

Its like saying because it is snowing in Georgia, the earth is cooling.

If you want to have coffee with an international terrorist, pour yourself a cup.

Ayers blew up a pipe bomb, you use 25 thousand pound daisy cutters and bunker-busters to reduce an entire nation to rubble, steal their oil and slaughter their women and children.

America, your military is out supporting profiteering using bombs and pallets of currency to enrich their own pocketbooks at the expense of a 3rd world nations around the globe.

Obama had coffee with Ayers? You have allowed a terrorist Bush to invade and massacre helpless children.

What is happening in the economy is nothing more than Karma. We have a long way down to fall. Bush started the ball rolling, and it appears, no one is smart enough to even see what is happening.

Posted by: ender3rd | October 10, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama associations scare me ... watch both these vids to see why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3kvW0cGZvQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

So let's sum up Obama's Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of "God damn America" fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers's radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

From Dickmorris.com

Posted by: konalimu | October 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Re: What's wrong with socialism, you idiots???!!!
by VMR1

You seem to have a haughty, better than others attitude. Did
socialism teach you this?

Posted by: janye1 | October 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

One More time...

Let us be clear...very clear...

WHERE DOES DOMESTIC TERRORISM COME FROM PREDOMINANTLY?

Let us be clear

the AIP Vogler thing is important because

in the face of our country imploding

Palin wants to incite those same values at her rally's

America should be throwing up with such disgust.


seems Palin was only governor for 19 months ....and in 19 months she already has an ethics investigation

you know the one announced today

Be very clear


what her support and todd's support for Vogler and AIP means...


as our country goes fown the tubes over the last week

Palin incites her crowds with accusations and incendiary comments

ignoring the economy...

for inciting these values

those people screaming hateful things look familiar?

where do you think the bulk of domestic terrorism comes from?

Does the name McVeigh ring a bell.

do you not see the values she is inciting...the same ones that someone who would back up Joe Voglers party would have.

the same ones that McVeigh had...

the same ones that someone yelling those "killem" "ni@#$er" "terrorist" "hang em" "boy" etc etc...

would scream at a rally.

Let us be clear where domestic terrorism comes from...

the AIP Vogler thing is important

in the face of our country imploding

Palin wants to incite those same values at her rally's

America should be throwing up with such disgust.

Posted by: klondike2 | October 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

According to this article McCain had Contra terrorist connections and PERSONALLY funded them, a group that committed inhuman atrocities... Read this, you'll be shocked!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/john-mccains-terrorist-co_b_133326.html

Posted by: yourfinancialfreedomteam | October 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone here even know what 'socialism' means?

I'm an American living in France, and I can tell you, socialism works.
The government here does not "tell us what to do." They regulate the industries (nothing wrong with that!)

They do the paper work and collect the taxes for health care (for me, about 25 euros/month)
Speaking of healthcare, last month, for my share of 25 euros, I got an endoscopy with follow-up and meds, an emergency hand operation, and a filling replaced. All with doctors of my choice, and with an average wait time of 2 weeks, except the hand operation which was in the ER of a private hand clinic. I had to pay about 200 euro upfront for all that, but got fully reimbursed by my company's supplemental insurance, of which I pay 5 euro/month.

They're very stringent about labor laws (which means it's harder for employees to fire you for no reason) and other than that, it's just like in the States.

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

You know damn well the only reason McCain brought this up is to create a distraction from the economy.

His own campaign admitted and stated it! Thats a fact.

Enough of the nonsense.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

As an average American, from that portion of our country that makes up all but the fringes, it is funny to watch the Washington D.C. crowd scurry about in panic mode over this election.

The Establishment in Washington D.C. has enlisted all of their minions to do their bidding, the media, Hollywood with their Republican smear campaign ongoing, any way to completely submerse the country in their opinion. In fact, it is so obviously a coordinated effort that the average American can see clearly through it! Whenever everyone you see on television only talks about how great Obama is and how bad McCain is, something’s up!

I know the media power brokers hate to face it but the fact is that the average American is capable of examining all the facts to make an independent decision, not merely rely on the media to guide their decisions. So regardless of how many times CNN replays every Saturday Night Live skit demeaning Mrs. Palin, we will still make our own decisions.

The most basic fact is this: Obama is unqualified for the Presidency on every front. Additionally, Obama has spent 20+ years saying "Amen!" to anti-American, racial hate-speech from his Spiritual Advisor Mr. Wright! This is probably why Obama saw nothing wrong with palling around with anti-American terrorist Mr. Ayers who let's not for get, was so close to Obama that he organized fund a raiser for him! That alone demonstrates the fact that Ayers felt that he and Obama shared common views!

On the other hand, there is McCain. A true war hero of iconic proportions! He is uniquely positioned in this election to offer the only relevant experience available to the Presidency in the decision to be made in November.

Why the media power brokers want Obama so badly is a question indeed.

Luckily for America, we can think for ourselves.

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

DemocracyRules writes:
"Markets are pricing in Obama's presidency based on the following facts:

.Socialism
.Lack of Experience
.Terrorist/Anti-White/Anti-Semitic Friends, Mentors, Supporters

Who can blame the sellers.

Posted by: DemocracyRules"

LMAO - What Obama presidency? He's NOT the president and hasn't been! Who IS the President? Who HAS BEEN GIVEN BY THE CHICKEN-$#@$ Republocrat congress & senate more executive power than any other Pres? Who has already spent $600 Billion of your tax dollars to take out the weapons of mass destruction? We have our own weapons of mass corruption to deal with - Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: Mark2000 | October 10, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

to DSM_CAL - a sign can read "08" without it actually being '08.

Posted by: rlstins | October 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The times are too serious to be pulling cheap dirty tricks like this. At home, we've got a heightening economic crisis, increasing joblessness threatening to undermine the livelihoods of entire towns, people's retirement savings decimated, folks getting thrown out of their homes, and a regulatory framework guided by ideology rather than pragmatism. Overseas, we're fighting two wars, an increasingly belligerent Iran, a resurgent Russia eager to reassert it's influence on the former soviet bloc, ukraine destabilized, China rising, and North Korea unresolved, our alliances strained due to our unilateralim...and here we have John McCain playing these dirty totally irrelevant political games, blatantly repeating lies, inciting hate in the electorate, destabilizing the markets with his political maneuvers, appointing an extremist running mate who knows NOTHING about the economy and the world a 72-year old heartbeat away from presidency, and dividing the country along choices (guns, race, abortion, religion, left-right) that are totally irrelevant to this new and very threatening environment, and having absolutely no solid plans to get us out of it. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I cannot believe that John McCain is STILL not interested in challenging Obama's plans, and presenting to the American public why his plans are PRACTICALLY superior or relevant to the current environment, or how they are actually DOABLE. He has not explained ow his approach is a significantly different approach to the failures of the last 8 years. His healthcare plan is a farce, taxing my health benefits to give me a healthcare tax credit which will not buy me even a bare bones healthcare plan, his tax plan is unsustainable and rewards those who don't need it, he has absolutely no solid ideas for our recovery plans, he has offered no answers on how he is going to pay for the buyout of these bad loans, is spending freeze of 18 billion will not even come close to paying for his tax cuts AND his $300 billion ideas to pay for his home owner bailout 'plan', and absolutely no transition plan for when he assumes power so he can get to work on day one (he felt winning the election was more important than planning ahead), and shows the underlying influence of special interests in his policy making and his past judgement, and his foreign policy positions have been PROVEN wrong consistently, with his war mongering rhetoric getting increasingly aggressive...and NOW THIS???!!! YOU CAN HIRE EXPERIENCE, AND YOU CAN BUY KNOWLEDGE, BUT IF YOUR MORAL COMPASS IS MISALIGNED YOUR EXPERIENCE IS OF NO USE TO US. It infuriates me the absurdity that this once great man has stooped to. Is he THIS out of touch with reality? We need a serious president, with a steady and even temperament, who is willing to listen to EVERYONE and come up with solutions that work for ALL OF US. We need a president who has the intellect, and the moral compass pointing true north to our interests, who helps the nation focus on what we have in common, not why we are different...we need a president who understands that issues should lie at the foundation of political attacks, not baseless associations focused on dominating the next news cycle. We need someone whose inner circle of influence is not tainted by special interests and lobbists, who has the highest probability of reforming Washington. We need someone who understands the new world order, and who understands that war is but ONE tactic, along with intelligence, diplomatic and economic leverage in our overall strategy to counter our foreign policy challenges today. We need a president who is a calming voice in this cacophony of chaos, who calls out to the best within all of us to lead us out of this hole we've dug ourselves into, not divide us and calls on our hate. We need a President who is a pragmatist, who has been consistent, with judgment that is guided by good nature rather than a thirst for power. We need someone with new ideas, and a new approach to change our course in history. ENOUGH WITH THIS PETTY HATE MONGERING, THE TIMES ARE TOO SERIOUS FOR THIS KIND OF NONSENSE. I DON'T CARE IF HE IS BLACK, BLUE OR PURPLE, AND I DONT CARE IF HE IS PRO OR ANTI ABORTION, OR LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE...I JUST CARE THAT HE IS RIGHT FOR THE CHALLENGES WE NOW FACE. The dirty voter suppression and caging efforts of 2004 and 2000 are very much underway and already making huge impacts across all the swing states, we are now facing the possibility of THOUSANDS of obama voters getting turned away on election day, and the campaigning is only going to get more hateful. Do not believe the polls. Obama may be ahead, but they could steal it again unless we SHOW UP IN FORCE AND GET OUR PAPERWORK STRAIGHT. We cannot let them steal it again.

Posted by: andytoh | October 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin palling around with secessionists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Why didnt McCain have an issue with this 3 months ago? a year ago? A month ago?

I mean Ayers is such a diobolical figure today right?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

It’s Hard to admit that people are ignorant as well as deaf dumb and blind, putting on top of that the intestinal fortitude of a lemming. So as the financial structure of the country collapses I guess it only makes sense to ignore the 12 years of a republican controlled congress, and from 2006 to present only a razor thin majority of democrats with Cheney quite often being the tie breaking vote. It sad folks can still believe the talking points put out by the RNC.

Be vawy vawy affwade of da bwack man tewwowist ay ay ay ay ay ay ay .

Posted by: pragman | October 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The vile obsenity coming from the McCain/Palin ticket is what the world is watching. How proud we are! I for one am embarrased. This is what we want to spread to the world. The rest of the world doesn't want anything to do with this. they are all either all crying or laughing or both.

Posted by: ladyblug | October 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Watch a radical separatist speak about his friendship with Sarah Palin at: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with socialism, you idiots???!!!

I grew up under socialism in Europe and turned out far superior to any of you, schmucks. At least I can think and enjoy the process thereof.

You, on the other hand, are two-dimensional caricatures who grunt mostly monosyllables that pass for the English language. You're too lazy to cook yourselves a meal. You drive you fat behinds in gasoline-wasting vehicle 50 miles to a store that offers a 10% discount on a pair of jeans. And, worst of all, you vote for proto-fascist political candidates. Because the latter affects me and the rest of the world, don't be surprised that everyone hates you.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Forget Keating. Obama's response should seek to refute the charges, dig McCain a little on being erratic and negative, but mostly rise above them:

"These times of crisis are too serious for the mud and distortions coming from the erratic McCain campaign. His attacks are untrue. But even worse, they distract us from the real problems facing America..." and pivot to positive leadership message and need for change from Bush/mcCain approach.

Posted by: billmcg1 | October 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

So what is this all about? Anyone please? Now McCain is back pedaling and saying "he doesnt care Obama knew Ayers or served on a board with him". Thats a fact.

So what is this about? That somehow Obama is guilty by association? That somehow the reason Obama was on the charity board was because of Ayers 1960's protests?

Should the University of Chicago be shut down? Are all the people who took Ayers casses terrorist?

There were republicans on the board too. It was a republican charity board. The board founder is a McCain supporter.

what? enlighten us?

what is it?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

When the camera pans you can still see the shadow of the front of the podium. It has been super imposed it would appear. The voice also does not seem to match his mouth. It looks fake.

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popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Pandora didn't have a box. It was a jar. Erasmus of Rotterdam mistranslated the Greek word "pithos" (jar) to the Latin word "pyxis" (box).

Posted by: JohninMpls | October 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a radical, but Sarah Palin's husband Todd was a member of a radical group who wanted to secede from the United States. These people are armed. Sarah Palin seems to have an open door policy with them and tried to appoint one to city government. These people are traitorous. We fought a Civil War over states wanting to secede from the Union. Why doesn't the media investigate this? Watch her radical friend speak about his separatist views and their relationship.

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Another less famous terrorist, and one who has even stronger links to one of the candidates, is no longer with us.

Why not? Because, before being able to blow up something American, he blew himself up!

Joe Volger, former head of the AIP.
The AIP, Alaskan Independence Party.

Sarah Palin has spoken at their conventions, and not as a 6 year old.

She spoke there, and praised their work, EARLIER THIS YEAR!!

The VP wannabe, spoke at a convention whose main goal is to SECEDE from the US?!

And that's not headline news?!

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Could the people on this board who rail against socialism please explain why they are supporting McCain?

McCain just voted for a $700 billion bailout of the nation's banks and now urges Treasury to use that money to buy bad mortgages so that millions of people who made bad financial decisions will be saved from the consequences of their own actions. If that isn't socialism, what is? Whatever McCain stands for, "limited government" is NOT part of it.

Posted by: continental46@aol.com | October 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

you're all children!!

Posted by: EricBlair1 | October 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The first thing to come out of pandora's box must be Sarah Palin's very traitorous association with the Alaska Indepenence Party. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has a blistering expose of this extremist right-wing secessionist party

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html

The AIP wants Alaska to split off from the USA and set up shop as an independent country. They are full of wingnuts armed to the teeth, like founder Joe Vogler who said:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. . .

. . .I won't be buried under their damned flag...when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Todd Palin has been a member of the AIP and Sarah Palin has been warmly embraced by this group, with the lipsticked one making a welcoming video for the group's convention this year!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

The barbeque media is of course totally silent on this critical issue. The fix is so in on this one. This story needs to be repeated as often [more often really, as this has real-world impact] as the constant flogging of the William Ayres non-story.

Posted by: robinlandseadel | October 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

To John McCain: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... KEEP RUNNING THESE ADS!
We Democrats are delighted you're telling the American public that you don't care about their concerns and that they should care about your concern (which is getting elected).

Posted by: kiernanje | October 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I scoured through thousands of blogs and articles to find who really want to know who Bill Ayers is and how Obama's connection with him has any relevance to the presidency. All I found out was there are just two people in this whole country who are obsessed with this. McIdiot and Lipstick Queen. People are fed up with McCain filling the airwaves with his crap. If McCain knows any negative thing that has happened because of Obama's association with Ayers then he should bring it to our attention right away. Otherwise he should shut his mouth up. He is no maverick. He is just a grumpy old man who has no moral values left in his bones. None of the other republican leaders are coming to his rescue either. That is because the real republicans don't consider him as one of them. His friend is Lieberman who is neither a republican nor a democrat. The only thing common among this odd couple is their age and the metamucils they take. McCain has become so dispeckable.

Posted by: JimFargo | October 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

That's right, EARLIER THIS YEAR Ms Palin addressed a political party which admires a man who, before dying in a freak plastics explosives accident, said that.

Are there any non-freak plastic explosives accidents?

Posted by: mt6112a | October 10, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

There never was such a time. Years ago politicians would get into physical fights and even fight duels over political differences. Nothing has changed. What Mccain is doing is just stupid. Mccain either has something to offer or he doesn't. Mccain is defiantly going to lose and many, even republicans are saying it will now be a landslide. It is just a matter of how much damage he does to his party.

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When you say "the last three weeks of any campaign ...tend to be nasty and brutish," I immediately think of the days when this was not true. I guess you have not experienced them. Obama has been trying to take us back to a time when they were not. I truly hope he is not defeated by these methods. Do we really want yet another administration that will govern with this lack of morality?

Posted by: Akamai1 | October 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I am totally turned off by McCain/Airhead.

I am not a democrat but will vote for Obama, he is obviously the better suited candidate for the presidency of our country.

The republican smear tactic is the worst I have seen in my lifetime and I am 62 years old

Posted by: mackiejw | October 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

edweirdness, you should visit the page of the flying spaghetti monster, and see this graphic:
http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.gif

he shows there is an obvious link between the declining number of pirates in the world and the rising global temperature.

It's irrefutable!

Posted by: khote14 | October 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that wants to stand with McCain on this should expect blowback. At some point the Dems will start acting like you: greedy, abuse of power, ignorant and amoral, smug, condescending, pompously religous - then who will you have to do the work?

Mrs. McCain is a druggie, McCain stold with Keating, Palin is a seccesionist and promotes teenage pregnancy, cronyism, and abuse of power. They're all arrogant in their ignorance. They are also willing to slander, and incite others. Their behavior is antichristian, treasonous, dangerous, and willfully deceitful.

May I suggest that when Americans volunteer in the future for community boards that they vet all members, hire a private detective to investigate their backgrounds, see who their neighbors, friends and relatives are, prior to volunteering. Better yet, don't volunteer for nonprofits, just get in a position to suck the lifeblood out of the middle class and the poor. Model the Republicans behavior. And, whatever you do- DO NOT GET A GOOD EDUCATION AND EXCEL. Then you too can sell your soul.

Posted by: Tourist | October 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the more the Obama campaign claims to be ahead, the worse the economy seems to do? Seemingly, the one, brief spot of hope in the Dow occurred following the last debate, where McCain surprised everyone by announcing his plans to "buy up problematic mortgages

Really dude? you think the presidential candidate has that much of an effect on the economy? your problems are bigger than i thought.

Posted by: mt6112a | October 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

dano111 - YOU'RE (note the spelling) an ignorant goat. The reason Bush/Cheney even wanted to go to war with Iraq in the first place was to fight TERRORISTS. Now that we all know that they weren't even there originally, it might take a President with half a brain to actually go after the terrorists WHERE THEY ARE.

Baaaahhhh-rack Obama, '08 !!!

Posted by: rlstins | October 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

It's not McCain questioning Obama's judgement we should be worrying about.

It's our own. Today we see the end result of eight years of being leaderless.

And what the Selection Committees of both parties have done to deliberately add to it is almost a criminal act in itself.

Providing a New Year's Choice. Stay with the doddering, taxidermied relic of the status quo or shoot the moon with the New Year's Baby, who so far has nothing at all to offer past saying trust me in my own ambition. Without giving any one a single good reason that would make them feel at all secure that they would.

I live in the Flyover. What this has done mostly is made those here hunker down, hold their nose and decide for McCain. They simply have no tangible way to trust Obama. And they are not going to. Polls or no polls.
The more they know about him the more of a hologram he reveals himself to be. Other than narcissism, there is simply nothing there. Half the party told you that on day one and got ignored. It's not about to make them vote for the person they already said no to.

What McCain is offering is the traditional American history for an American candiate. If you think the same people who thought that Dean or Kerry lost because they didn't adequately fit that mold, how can you even imagine them voting for Obama.

And those congregations that voted in eight years of George Bush? they haven't gone anywhere or been given any reason to vote otherwise.

Myself, I am writing in. I refuse in this debacle to invite either folly into my future.
It is my responsibility on Election Day to vote for the person I feel most capable to run this country. And since she is not on the ballot, I will write her name in.
I have already accepted that we are totally screwed either way.
And I am hardly the only one who feels that this is our third option.

All we can do is hope that McCain makes it through the next four years or that Palin has the sense to realize that only part of morality that matters here is to recognize when you are unqualified to lead.

Which is how we got into this in the first place.

-gala1

Posted by: gala1 | October 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

>I have done research..Perhaps you can point us to the 'thousands of protestors' who bombed government buildings like Bill Ayers did?


WOW! You researched the Vietnam era protests in 3 min since my post? Your good! I got to hand it to you!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

At a time when Senator McCain should be concerned about the health and welfare of all Amercians, he chooses hate-mongering in the form of character assassination, guilt by association and scape-goating attacks on his opponent, Senator Obama. This strategy is a road to hell.

In the 1920's,German Fascists road to power scape-goating Jews and Catholics for the economic woes of the time. We all know the consequences. It is frightening that Senator McCain has chosen to lay down the seeds of destruction. It is more frightening to read many of the hate filled comments here.

The hate, the innuendo, the fear-mongering, the character assassination, the lies, must stop now.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Um yeah, we all know how well the high road works, right?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

DSM_CAL: The only thing that bothers me is YOUR candidate taking this election down in to the mud. I have lost ALL respect for McCain -- he's like every other dirty politician, most of which, by the way, are of the Republican variety. He's desperate and trying ANYTHING to win. Then, when he's up against Obama in the same room, nothing. Where's all his rhetoric then? He's nothing but a bully and Palin should be ashamed of herself for even accepting the nomination when she is so clearly out of her depth. Any THINKING person knows that what I've written is true. A vote for McCain is a mindless vote.

Posted by: SMB-IL | October 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

If McShame wants to talk about friends, how about HIS friends:
Charlie Keating, the banker and anti-pornography crusader, would ultimately be convicted on 73 counts of fraud and racketeering for his role in the savings-and-loan scandal of the 1980s. That crisis, much like today's subprime-mortgage meltdown, resulted from misbegotten banking deregulation, and ultimately left taxpayers to pick up a tab of more than $124 billion. Keating, who raised more than $100,000 for McCain's race, lavished the first-term congressman with the kind of political favors that would make Jack Abramoff blush. McCain and his family took at least nine free trips at Keating's expense, and vacationed nearly every year at the mogul's estate in the Bahamas. There they would spend the days yachting and snorkeling and attending extravagant parties in a world McCain referred to as "Charlie Keating's Shangri-La." Keating also invited Cindy McCain and her father to invest in a real estate venture for which he promised a 26 percent return on investment. They plunked down more than $350,000.
When McCain became a senator in 1986, filling the seat of retiring Republican icon Barry Goldwater, he was finally in a position that a true maverick could use to battle the entrenched interests in Washington. Instead, McCain did the bidding of his major donor, Charlie Keating, whose financial empire was on the brink of collapse. Federal regulators were closing in on Keating, who had taken federally insured deposits from his Lincoln Savings and Loan and leveraged them to make wildly risky real estate ventures. If regulators restricted his investments, Keating knew, it would all be over.

In the year before his Senate run, McCain had championed legislation that would have delayed new regulations of savings and loans. Grateful, Keating contributed $54,000 to McCain's Senate campaign. Now, when Keating tried to stack the federal regulatory bank board with cronies, McCain made a phone call seeking to push them through. In 1987, in an unprecedented display of political intimidation, McCain also attended two meetings convened by Keating to pressure federal regulators to back off. The senators who participated in the effort would come to be known as the Keating Five.

"Senate historians were unable to find any instance in U.S. history that was comparable, in terms of five U.S. senators meeting with a regulator on behalf of one institution," says Bill Black, then deputy director of the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation, who attended the second meeting. "And it hasn't happened since."

Posted by: MUPPET | October 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

That's right, EARLIER THIS YEAR Ms Palin addressed a political party which admires a man who, before dying in a freak plastics explosives accident, said that.

Volger, the former leader of AIP got blown up by plastic explosives in the early '90's.
And Todd Palin was in the party for several years.

And Sarah has spoken several times at their conventions.

Conventions calling for the secession of Alaska from the US.

How very patriotic.

Posted by: franglais | October 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Dano111,

550 metric tons of uranium, here you go:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Next time do your own research, and know what your talking about!

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

dbw1:

I'm proud of you, your last line: "looking forward to 2010". You've admitted defeat. Thank you.

This new 'wave' of attacks on Obama are the exact same thing, admitting defeat.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Palin is the posterchild for rapists promoters and pedophiles? whom she favors.
Her fervent audience is that obscure residue of perverts who hide under family values
as she does.
A consumate liar who despises the same electorate she is attempting to defraud.
Righteous people whose lives are based on lies are most dangerous double crossers murderers of character and more..
"I'm not American I'm Alaskan"said Joe Vogler, her pal.

Posted by: tabita | October 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

When you say "the last three weeks of any campaign ...tend to be nasty and brutish," I immediately think of the days when this was not true. I guess you have not experienced them. Obama has been trying to take us back to a time when they were not. I truly hope he is not defeated by these methods. Do we really want yet another administration that will govern with this lack of morality?

Posted by: Akamai1 | October 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

>Bill Clinton reaped the fruit of Reagonomics!

Oh I get it. Its Bill Clinton's and Jimmy Carters falt.

I though it was Jeffersons's falt for signing the Declaration of Independance to begin with!

This George Bushes falt. He the president. He did nothing.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Dano111:
" Your wrong. Many people died in violent protests. Go do some research."

I have done research, but not at your liberal blogs so maybe I'm missing something. Perhaps you can point us to the 'thousands of protestors' who bombed government buildings like Bill Ayers did?

Waiting for your enlightened research....

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

What about YOU & YOUR ilk?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the more the Obama campaign claims to be ahead, the worse the economy seems to do? Seemingly, the one, brief spot of hope in the Dow occurred following the last debate, where McCain surprised everyone by announcing his plans to "buy up problematic mortgages".

Posted by: edweirdness | October 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

So let's sum up Obama's Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of "God damn America" fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers's radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

From Dickmorris.com

Posted by: konalimu | October 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

My ilk? Really?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

AverageAmerican1: "Do you even know about the 550 metric tons of uranium we took out of a south Baghdad suburb?
...

You can't just rely on the national media to tell you what to believe, it takes a little work to get to the truth."

It was widely reported in the media. As was the fact that it was natural uranium, from a nuclear complex that was dismantled after the first gulf war. It had not been enriched and is not of direct use in nuclear weaponry. Without an active nuclear weapons program, it's not a WMD. It's just uranium.

Posted by: aengil | October 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I really cannot believe the libs are referring to ayers as rehabilitated or reformed, he is an unrepentant terrorist,
people died as a direct result of his involvement with bombings, a legal technicality prevents him from still being behind bars. Your not really trying to sell us on the idea that obama didn't know of ayers background when he held his first campaign event in ayers home, please, giove me a break. In closing if McCain had assocciated with someone who 40 years ago had bombed say an abortion clinic, the media would be having a field day. Yet another example of the classic double standard. Let's face it Obama is the perfect made-for-tv candidate, looks good, sounds good,but no history to the product and ingredients unknown.

Posted by: gosforth1 | October 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

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Irony Does Reveal Truth This Article was published on Sept 11 a few hours before the attacks.


THE QUESTION IS OBAMA'S JUDGEMENT WHEN OBAMA WAS IN HIS 30s WHY DID OBAMA CHOOSE TO BE THIS PERSON'S FRIEND WHEN OBAMA WAS AN ADULT ??


IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA WHEN HE WAS 8 YEARS OLD.


OBAMA HAS BEEN LYING ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH AYERS - CLINTON WAS A LIAR TOO. (CONVICTED LIAR)


No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen


By DINITIA SMITH
Published: September 11, 2001

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.

The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction.

He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

''Is this, then, the truth?,'' he writes. ''Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.''
But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

''Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory,'' he answered. ''It's true as I remember it.''

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''

He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.'s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her ''the most dangerous woman in America'' and ''la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.'' Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.

In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a ''whirlpool of violence.''

''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ''Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon -- we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.'' He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.

Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes, and also helped spring Timothy Leary (sentenced on marijuana charges) from jail.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

bartybates:

we didn't elect bush. the supreme court and the states of OH and FL violated and maniuplated our election process to install him in office.

I have faith that obama will win this election. You make good points; too many people in this country are just dumb/ignorant/blind. This shouldn't be a race. it should be Obama tap-dancing on Mccain's face. I have faith, though, that he will continue his reputable campaign and crush mccain in the voting. Keep our fingers crossed with me.

Posted by: mt6112a | October 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It is a fact that three planes were shot down and the pilots killed based on information John Mccain gave his captors when he was a POW. He gave up flight paths that the pilots used to avoid anti aircraft fire.

Be sure to watch the youtube clip

JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
*********** ************* ************** *********** ***********
Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk


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Ayers didnt killed anyone. Bush/McCain killed thousands in a war of lies.

Whos the real terrorist?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

beaversrus:
"Game over neocons....you lost."

Sounds like what you liberals said in 1992....and after two years of experiencing "liberalism", Americans swept Democrats from both House and Senate.

Looking forward to 2010....

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

>Do you even know about the 550 metric tons of uranium we took out of a south Baghdad suburb?

This is false. Nice try though. Maybe you can sell it to the national Inquirer along with you Bigfoot and UFO photos.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Are all those Republicans who sat on the same board with Ayers terrorists too? No. Ayers was appointed to a Republican funded board. Obama served on that board like all those other Republicans. Why doesn't the media investigate that instead of repeating McCain's talking points? Meanwhile the media avoids this story about Sarah Palin's very close relationship with radical anti-American separatists to the point of addressing their convention this very year as Governor. Watch the video at: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I thought the Chicago Way involved putting one of theirs in the morgue?

Anyway, bravo to who ever used C_A_P_S and U_N_D_E_R_S_C_O_R_E_S to convey emphasis. Brilliant! It in no way is the typewritten equivalent to shouting on a street corner, standing on a pickle bucket.

Posted by: aceofspades | October 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

osmigo:
Like it or not. American's are now invested in the stock market, thanks to the majority Democrats in both the House and Senate. At least if we'd allowed SS to be invested, there were provions in all those proposed plans to assure at least the equity would be protected. The Wall Street bailout (going from a three page recommendation by the White House, to a 400 + bill full of earmarks, give backs and special interest perks) contains no such provisions, and is dependent on the disgression of appointed, unaccountable bureaucrats for its implementation. Apparently many posting here refuse to acknowledge this bill was crafted by the House Financial Servicess committee, predominantly Democrats.

Anger over this issue is understandable. Misdirected anger seems to speak to a deeper personal emotional issue that many seem to have, that has no relevance to the issue at hand.

Vote our Congressional incumbents, change the balance of power and tenure in Congress, and we can take back control of our government and marginalize the damage that either an Obama or a McCain presidency will cause.

Posted by: edweirdness | October 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The William Ayers matter is no "Pandora's Box". If the Obama campaign wants to retaliate by bringing up Keating, let them go for it. The Keating affair was thoroughly publicized at the time and verdicts rendered judicially and in the press. Not so with Obama and the Ayers issue. Appallingly, Obama has been largely given a pass on this subject with all its implications. Among other things, it is part of a pattern in Obama's past adult life, a pattern of chosen association with racists, hate-mongers, urban terrorists, and even criminals. It is reasonable to assume that these influences helped to form Obama's present character and ideology. If so, the voters need to know it. If not, then the media and Barack Obama have a responsibility to explain it much more fully than has thus far been done.

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

>However, there weren't very many American protestors who bombed American police stations and American government buildings.

Your wrong. Many people died in violent protests. Go do some research.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

John McCain and Gordon Liddy, anyone? McCain's close friend, someone he admires, tries to subvert our government and you guys are worried about what Bill Ayres did 40 years ago? And how about Palin supporting Liddy as a spokesman for Alaska oil drilling?

You really should get your priorities straight.

Posted by: TomJx | October 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter mainly because he's not as bad as the guy who most closely supported GWB the last 8 years. BUT... McCain can get my vote. And he only has to do one simple thing for it. Publicly announce that he does not want the racist vote.
That's it. Just say, "I'm John McCain, and if you are a racist, I don't want your vote."
This would have the side effect of shutting up DSM_CAL and all his ilk, not to mention reducing John McCain's supporters to just rich white bastards, war mongers, and the three non-racist people who support McCain but aren't rich or white.
Too bad pigs will not only fly, but walk on the moon, before that happens.
I wonder if they'll be wearing lipstick.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | October 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

VMR1:

If you 'savor the fantasy' of living under a true socialist state, then by all means exercise your freedom as an American, pack your crap, and move to another country!

Most of the rest of us "savor" the individual freedoms that our forefathers fought and died to protect, so I think I'll just stay put here and keep fighting against short-sighted folks like yourself.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Markets are pricing in Obama's presidency based on the following facts:

.Socialism
.Lack of Experience
.Terrorist/Anti-White/Anti-Semitic Friends, Mentors, Supporters

Who can blame the sellers.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Dano111,

Do you even know about the 550 metric tons of uranium we took out of a south Baghdad suburb?

I realize the media has tried to down play this after their song-n-dance about no WMD being found, but the truth remains.

You can't just rely on the national media to tell you what to believe, it takes a little work to get to the truth.

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"LOO HOO SA HERS!" Ace Ventura.
Game over neocons....you lost. Again, you can all drink the kool-aid and make the the world a better place.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

30 years Reaganomics is taking the economy down the crapper and all McCain can do is sling mud. He was once an admirable man. His Rovian/Swiftboat tactics has ruined his place in history. I am very sad for him. It is pitiful.

Posted by: Togeika | October 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Here's a tip for the GOP.

LEAVE THE FEAR MONGERING TO FOX NEWS.

Posted by: jsaindon | October 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You know what so proposerous about this issue is Obama wants more troops in Afganastan to FIGHT terrorism and was against the Iraq war.

The implication is rediculous. You guys know it. How can you look at at yourselves in the mirror everyday. Dont you have an dignity that superseeds party affiliation?

Your all sheep. bahhhhhh bahhhhhh!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Who is a friend of a radical group? Sarah Palin. Obama has nothing to do with the radical agenda of Ayers, just like all those Republicans who served on the same board as Ayers had nothing to do with him. If one is suspect, all are suspect. Ayers was not a radical anymore that is why he was appointed to the Republican funded board. But Sarah Palin has close ties to radicals that want to secede from the US. That is unpatriotic. Watch her radical separatist friend talk about their relationship here at: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

It's quite unbelievable to watch this show from another country here in Australia. I just can't believe Americans can be this stupid to elect another republican who has got strong similarities to Bush, aggressive, threatening, Texan gunslinger/oil tycoon type. He is everything I thought Bush seemed to be for, money, greed, wars, lies, arrogance and aggression.

I thought the USA would have learnt the first time when they chose Bush over the great environmentalist. Yes they chose wars, instable financial markets, world security instability.

I believe that many Americans can see through McCain but it's scary to think that many don't and this man could rule half the world soon...It's even more scary to think what would happen if Palin became the next president.

Posted by: bartybates | October 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

ANGRY GOP RALLY SHOUTERS: ARE THEY AGIT-PROP PROFESSIONAL PLANTS?

WaPo reporters should spend some time on the periphery of these rallies, in the hours before the scheduled event.

They might discern that some of the most vociferous rabble-rousers hang together in packs, don't quite look like your "average Joe," and appear to be part of an orchestrated "street theater" -- not necessarily a reflection of spontaneous crowd enthusiasm. Examine closely their attire, and the electronics they are carrying.

Could they be the "stromtroopers" in a troubling offensive?

ARE THE AGITATED 'CUDA CROWDS A HARBINGER OF THIS?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens OR

members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

McCain is slime and anyone who votes for him is stupid. This is not an opinion.

truest thing i've heard in the past 10 months.

Posted by: mt6112a | October 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Dano111:
"You act like Ayers protest against the vietnam war yesterday. It was 40 years ago!
Thousands of people did the same thing."

You are correct. Thousands and thousands of Americans protested the Vietnam War. However, there weren't very many American protestors who bombed American police stations and American government buildings.

In that regard, Bill Ayers is in rare company indeed.

If Pelosi gets her wish to send out a vote-buying stimulous package just ahead of the election, feel free to use your check to buy a clue....

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"Economy? Economy? OK ... the economy it is then ... I do not want our economy managed by a person with Marxist mentors & associations ... just what kind of an economy do you want ... a socialist one?"
Posted by: DSM_CAL

Our Dear President Bush is now talking about buying equity in banks. That is just short of nationalizing the banks. Now who has socialist tendencies? How about healthcare? Look at McCain's and Obama's plan and see which is closer to socialism. It ain't Obama's. McCain's plan has the IRS and taxpayers funding healthcare to relieve companies of supplying the benefit. Hmmm, government doing what private industry is doing. Sounds like socialism to me. Or is it not socialism when a republican proposes it?

hahaha - you missed that memo?
Great point. They just use terms like socialism and communism to scare people, because the vast majority have no idea what they really mean. so they can promote ideas like that, say the other guy is the commie, and hope the american people won't pick up on it. it all goes back to the fear mongering the repubs did back in the day, making eveyrone scaerd of communists. they need a new game plan

Posted by: mt6112a | October 10, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: madcitizen |
"...The USA WILL be France if this crap keeps up...."

From your lips straight to God's ears!
I hope that your prophecy comes true.

I savor the fantasy of:
-national health insurance for everyone
-People work to live and not the other way around, as they do in the USA
-excellent public schools
-highly affordable, world-class higher education, if you qualify
-Intellect & culture are among the supreme national virtues, almost everyone aspires to
-excellent, non-GM food
-Excellent wine, cognac, champagne
-petit bourgeoisie knows its place
-enlightened,non-hypocritical & relaxed attitude toward sex
-affordable daycare for kids
-unemployment benefits of up to 3 years
-total guaranteed freedom of speech, assembly, conscience, travel, etc. as well as freedom from extreme want.
-religion knows its place
-real cities, with excellent public transportation systems
-very tight gun ownership controls
-proximity to other great world cultures
-population gradually learning to take showers at least once a day (America is much preferred in THAT respect)

Posted by: VMR1 | October 10, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

DSM_CAL: That Farrakhan video is irrelevant. You can't judge someone by their supporters, you have to look at the candidates themselves.

I mean, I don't assume McCain is a raving idiot because some of his supporters appear to be.

Posted by: aengil | October 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama was 8 when this all went down. Not to mention the smear on "reformed" Ayers, I've got to wonder what this is doing to him and his family.

If we're going to have guilt by association, I just have to ask why no one is questioning that McCain is with the KKK and Palin with a secessionist (terrorist) group. Why is this?

McCain ought to be ashamed. This type of campaigning has Rove-ian stench all over it.

I wish the hateful bigots and republicans could not be so cult-like with their commitment to vote for a party, and actually look at what their "party" has done to the US over the past 8 years. We still don't have Osama, we in financial ruins. Also, McCain wants to cut Medicaid and Medicare, and gut the health system we do have. It's not $5000 per person, it is $5000 total for a family (regardless of # of children) and if you're single it is $2500. How can this be fair to the families of America?

McCain is slime and anyone who votes for him is stupid. This is not an opinion.

Posted by: mommy11 | October 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Instead of donating funds, could you people start donating those little car air fresheners for Barry's plane? That thing smells like arse.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that Franklin Raines is the one shorting the stock market with all the money he bilked this country out of while he was running Fannie Mae. Let me know when the market hits 4,000 and I might buy.

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Why the media won't investigate Sarah Palin's ties to radical separatists I don't understand. This is serious. She spoke to the group this year as Governor. She tried to appoint one of these radicals to office. These people are anti-American. They want to secede from the US and they are armed, though they assure people they won't kill them. See one of these radicals talk about his friendship with her at Salon.com: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Ayers didnt killed anyone. Bush/McCain killed thousands in a war of lies.

Whos the real terrorist?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Dano111,

A study of Presidential Economic Policy and it's full impact on our national economy shows that it takes about 10 years to fully realize the implications of a President's Economic Policy.

That means:

Bill Clinton reaped the fruit of Reagonomics!

George W. Bush is dealing with Clinton's Policy as well as a two front War on Terror that was initiated by 9/11.

Wow, thank God we had a Republican at the wheel when this war started! How many U.S. cities would be lost if Gore or Kerry had been in office?

And then there's the Democrat Social Engineering effort that is now flowering in our housing market.

Some of you people need to open you eyes and stop believing all the lies Pelosi and her clowns tell you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

day2day posted about me: Judging by the number of anti-Obama postings made by DSM_CAL (roughly every 5 minutes), it seems pretty clear that he is on the McCain payroll.

NOPE. Just a concerned citizen fighting for my country. Sometimes the truth hurts (hurts Obama).

tell me day2day ... does the Farrakhan video bother you even a little?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

peterjust:
"McCain would only win by a tiny margin and having alienating a huge portion of the citizenry, disgusted by his return to the politics of personal destruction. Given the serious crisis we are in, how can he hope to govern effectively having won in such a disgraceful manner?"

Good question. I'm not sure I have an answer, but you could start by asking Bill Clinton.

He won in 1992 with only 43% of the popular vote, after waging a daily smear campaign against Bush I. Bill Clinton patented the modern smear-and-run campaign, and he seemed to be able to govern effectively.

Of course Bill Clinton had 6 years of Republican majorities in Congress helping him govern, so maybe that explains it....

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the stock market continue to go down, is because people are pricing in Obama coming to power. They know socialism does and are voting with their feet out of the stock market. Can you blame them?

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Did you hear that Obama bought air time on CBS/NBC for an infomercial?

What you might see/hear...

Hi! This is Billy Mays! You've seen me sell detergent and scratch removers, but this is our most important product yet! BARRY HUSSEIN NOBAMA! This product can single-handedly destroy democracy and implement a near dictorial state. Together with the wacky liberal congress and senate, you can have no fear that all of your needs will be provided for you. But don't stand in our way, cause the Truth Squads are completely prepared to bash you over the head and publicly humiliate you if you do.

And if you order within the next ten minutes we'll DOUBLE your order and give you SMILIN JOE BIDEN for the incredibly low price of $700 billion dollars!

But don't take our word for it! Listen to these completely satisfied customers: Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and so many more.

CALL NOW! OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY! AND TELL THEM BILLY SENT YOU!

Posted by: Michelle_Obama | October 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Now I know what it must have felt like to be at the Alamo. No doubt McCain does too!

Posted by: tydicea | October 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Economy? Economy? OK ... the economy it is then ... I do not want our economy managed by a person with Marxist mentors & associations ... just what kind of an economy do you want ... a socialist one?"
Posted by: DSM_CAL

Our Dear President Bush is now talking about buying equity in banks. That is just short of nationalizing the banks. Now who has socialist tendencies? How about healthcare? Look at McCain's and Obama's plan and see which is closer to socialism. It ain't Obama's. McCain's plan has the IRS and taxpayers funding healthcare to relieve companies of supplying the benefit. Hmmm, government doing what private industry is doing. Sounds like socialism to me. Or is it not socialism when a republican proposes it?

Posted by: bevjims1 | October 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The hatefilled rallies organized by the McCain campaign reflect the limited intellect and desperation of his camp.

Devoid of ideas, dropping in the polls, filled with ambition and disdain, McCain has turned his speeches into mini-Nuremburg rallies. These gatherings are complete with bile spewing from the introducers, innuendo from the demagogic Sarah Palin, and rambling incitements from McCain himself.

The angry crowd reacts with calls of "treason," "traitor," and "kill him" when Obama's name is mentioned. No reponse is recorded from either Palin or McCain to these horrific outbursts.

McCain's ads are 100 percent negative and reflect his utter lack of ideas.

The American people want honest discussion of the dire economic circumstances we are in right now, not lunatic references to doddering old Weatherman from the '60s who have only tenuous connections to Obama.

McCain has forfeited any claim he had on the label "honorable." He is dishonest, cowardly, and erratic. Since McCain is unable to engage in substantive conversation about the real issues facing our nation, we do not need him as a candidate.

And we certainly do not want McCain as president. We deserve much better than McCain/Palin.

Posted by: dee5 | October 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

>Obama sat in a domestic terrorists living room and drank coffee with the domestic terrorist.

You act like ayers protest against the vietnam war yesterday. It was 40 years ago!
Thousands of people did the same thing. Go to youtube and watch vietnam war protests and riots.

So why did a MCain supporter allow Ayers on the charity board? why did the Univerity of chicago allow ayers to teach? why did Ayers achieve awards?

anyone?

(Yawn) this is an old, old issue from the primary. Its the GOP base talking to the GOP base.

I dont hear anyone complaining about the Palins ties to the radical succession party in alaska? The found said worse things about America than Wright! Thats a fact!

You are hypocrites!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Great, Obama barely knows a hippie from the 60s who never killed one person.

McCain is a member of the same party as Bush and Cheney, who:

- Lied to the American people about WMD in Iraq and really sent our army over there to fight for oil and corporations.

- Manipulated the US kids (soldiers) and turned them into an army fighting for corporate greed. These kids come back with terrible trauma, they are scarred for life, and for what????? So that Cheney can keep making millions?

- Introduced Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations to Iraq. As a result we have 4-5k of dead American soldiers and many more dead Iraqis, including many civilians.

Mr. McCain, if you want to talk about guilt by association - being in the same political party with Bush and Cheney, war profiteers and terrorists, whose actions resulted in far many more deaths for nothing but profit, is far worse than knowing some hippie who is now a professor and who never killed anyone. Give us all a break and quit now.

Posted by: sharedgum | October 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

clareY1: you are not, and never were, a true hillary supporter. you like her because she was a woman. end of story. that is just as sexist and narrow-minded as those who won't vote for a woman based on her gender. if you truly believed in anything hillary fought for, or believed in, or wanted, you could not in your right mind vote for mccain/palin. you only like the ticket because a woman is on it (who is maybe the most anti-woman woman ever). you are exactly the type of ignorant voter mccain was after when he chose palin. Good job justifying his decision. I hope you vote for him, so you know what defeat feels like.
And all these people who claim we'll become a communist country if obama is elected; you are all soooooo very wrong. we have and will retain a capialist country. your fear-mongering, like the entire mccain campaign's, will do nothign to win this vote for you. we're not going to become communists because we have a liberal leader. you people are all effing ridiculous

Posted by: mt6112a | October 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

day2day posted about me: Judging by the number of anti-Obama postings made by DSM_CAL (roughly every 5 minutes), it seems pretty clear that he is on the McCain payroll.

NOPE. Just a concerned citizen fighting for my country. Sometimes the truth hurts (hurts Obama).

tell me day2day ... does the Farrakhan video bother you even a little?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Attention McCainiacs:
In the words of Ace Ventura

Loo Hoo Sa Hers!

Game is about to be called on the mercy rule! But don't worry, you have plenty of Sara with her upcoming career in porn.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Again

Let us be clear...very clear...

WHERE DOES DOMESTIC TERRORISM COME FROM PREDOMINANTLY?

Let us be clear

are many of you so stupid you can not see what is happening.

the AIP Vogler thing is important because

in the face of our country imploding

Palin wants to incite those same values at her rally's

America should be throwing up with such disgust.


seems Palin was only governor for 19 months ....and in 19 months she already has an ethics investigation

you know the one announced today

Be very clear


what her support and todd's support for Vogler and AIP means...


as our country goes fown the tubes over the last week

Palin incites her crowds with accusations and incendiary comments

ignoring the economy...

for inciting these values

those people screaming hateful things look familiar?

where do you think the bulk of domestic terrorism comes from?

Does the name McVeigh ring a bell.

do you not see the values she is inciting...the same ones that someone who would back up Joe Voglers party would have.

the same ones that McVeigh had...

the same ones that someone yelling those "killem" "ni@#$er" "terrorist" "hang em" "boy" etc etc...

would scream at a rally.

Let us be clear where domestic terrorism comes from...

the AIP Vogler thing is important

in the face of our country imploding

Palin wants to incite those same values at her rally's

America should be throwing up with such disgust.

Posted by: klondike2 | October 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I also wonder about the Republicans who served on that board with Ayers, and the Repbublican, friend of Reagan, who set that board up? Are all those Republicans suspect as well? No, this is just a smear against Obama. He does not support Ayers or his views. On the other hand, Palin is addressing a radical separatist group as Governor this year. That is very questionable judgment on her part, and her husband was a member of this group as well. Watch the radical separatist talk about their friendship here: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

John McCain's current antics follow his record. If you look at the record and not listen to what he says, the pattern of his impulsive, gambling nature is apparent. He is a remarkable survivor, having survived 3 plane crashes while training and 1 in combat. But his position in life is due to the influence of his dad and granddad in the military and the swapping of a crippled wife for a rich wife and then really exploiting the political ties of family and friends after becoming a Senator. The impulsive moves that he disguises as "maverick behaviour" is a manifestation of his gambling nature. The country needs a steady, thoughtful president who can bring the intellectual capitol of the country to bear on our problems.

Posted by: Thependulumswings | October 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Life imitates art. From 1 week ago:


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In..."McCain Goes Negative!"

In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode...McCain Goes Negative!

McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.

A walnut slips to the floor.

McCain: Damn nutcracker!

Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: "J.M + S.P." This is then crossed out and replaced by "S.P. + J.M.". These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.

McCain: Well, the first plan didn't work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn't called the commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"

Palin: But...didn't you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?

McCain looks at Palin silently. He is smiling but he is holding back anger.

McCain: I think the time has come. We have to call in...Dr. Negative.

He pushes a large black button, which is the only button, on a red phone on his desk.

Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book "Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse...for Dummies!" is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.

Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden's subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite--and the midwife was a Trotskyite!

McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.

Sarah: Oh, we've already met.

Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!

Sarah: You betcha'!

Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative's telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing "...illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers..."

Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.

Dr. Negative: Just practicing.

There is a pause.

McCain: That's fine, Dr. Negative. That's fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.

Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor--buttons reading "Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!", business cards, reading "Push Polls Anonymous--We Call, They Fall", "Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched"; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.

Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I'm ready! I'm ready!

Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical...

Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word "Radical" He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.

Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes...Yes...

McCain: You'll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth...

Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled "Rumor Mill". He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.

Dr. Negative: Yes...Yes...

He is salivating.

McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia--bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.

Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that's easy. They'll eat anything.

Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled "Minutia: So-called "Proof" for the Right". He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled "How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses", "The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!" and "You TOO Can Be A Warrior--From Your Own Couch!" fall to the floor.

Sarah plucks out the "Faked Moon Landings" book. She starts reading.

McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.

Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.

Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.

Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?

McCain: It is very difficult. Very...dark.

Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?

McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?

The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.

Dr. Negative: You mean...(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).

McCain (nodding): Yes.

Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled "Joker" brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.

McCain nods.

Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife--holding it from it very farthest end--and flips open the top of the pack.

Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.

McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember--no fingerprints!

Next episode: The smoke is cleared.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

day2day posted about me: Judging by the number of anti-Obama postings made by DSM_CAL (roughly every 5 minutes), it seems pretty clear that he is on the McCain payroll.

NOPE. Just a concerned citizen fighting for my country. Sometimes the truth hurts (hurts Obama).

tell me day2day ... does the Farrkhan video bother you even a little?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 10, 2008 10:59 AM

You scare me far more than Barack Obama!

Posted by: NMModerate1 | October 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Desparation is so unattractive!!! Not to mention - do you really want a man who is so completely devoid of ideas as to sink to this level running OUR country? Can you imagine how he would deal with international relations? If present actions are any indication, he would smear every country around the globe so he could be the king like George.

Posted by: gtnaustin | October 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

FACT: McCain aided, abetted and received gifts from convicted felon Charles Keating.

FACT: At most the charges against Obama are mere associations.

FACT: McCain is a coward. Can't beat Obama fair and square on the issues? Take the low road and cheat.

Posted by: crawfam | October 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The only time I ever had any real respect for McCain was when he stood up to Rumsfeld in the early days of the Iraq war on issues of poor management and torture. Since then, it's been steadily downhill. The new ad just confirms it for me. He really has no honor. Compare what he's doing to what Gore did in 2000. Gore could have kept on appealing the decision not have a Florida recount despite all the high jinx going on in that state. But, he took the truly high road. He said "no more,the country doesn't need to be divided even more." That's what it means to put country first, John and Sarah. The rest is just plain posturing and bulls--t.

Posted by: rob15 | October 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Transitive Law:

Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist because he was trying to destroy America.
Bush is destroying America faster than Bin Laden ever dream.
That makes Bush a terrorist.
McCain is a Republican, just like Bush.
That makes McCain a terrorist.

vote for Obama!

Posted by: fernando1958 | October 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

When Wiley Coyote orders his next contraption from the ACME Company, the Road Runner just watches in amusement, knowing that he's too smart and fast for his dogged competitor. So, I think Obama does not need to go into full retaliation mode.

Posted by: optimyst | October 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

ltk01

Full disclosure - Great!

When will McCain be forthcoming?
And Sarah Palin?

Posted by: mef1955 | October 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Well, I want to know McCain's associations when he was cheating on his first wife. Since he cheated on her, then he may have cheated on Cindy. There is some reason that Cindy is stuck to him like glue during this campaign.

I look at John McCain now at his rallies and I must turn off the TV. The guy makes me sick. American heroes do not run the type of campaign that he has run. The person who spoke out and detested the swiftboat campaign against John Kerry has been running his own swiftboat campaign against Obama.

The new John McCain cannot even admit that it was John Kerry who worked closely with him to normalize the relations with Vietnam. So much for bipartisanship.

Speaking about bipartisanship, please list for me at least 12 Deomcrats in Congress who will work with a President John McCain after this election? McCain has been burning bridges at every turn. Yet, the rightwingers push on in their intolerant, bigotted way. The hotheads that have surfaced at the McCain-Palin rallies are very disturbing to me. It seems that we have not learned our lessons about what pushes such people to act out in very hostile ways.

The McCain-Palin campaign is setting precedents in very dangerous territory. The world is watching as it hears the smears against a person of color. The people around the world are smart. They know when there are legitimate questions of concern about associations. The people around the world know about Abu Gureb, Guantanamo, rendering, and torture.

McCain chants "Bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran" and smiles. The United States needs Obama at this time in our history to help restore proper moral tone. "Trickle down" economics has just about taken care of itself unless John McCain has his way. Economically at this point, we can only go one way as long as we subscribe to the policies set forth by Obama and his team of economic advisors.

Contrary to the rants of Palin, I am a middle-class American who pays his taxes because it is the partriotic thing to do. The unpatriotic among us live in a "me" world: you cannot tax me, you cannot prevent me from having an arsenal, you cannot tell me what to do, and so forth.

Posted by: EarlC | October 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain: Old, bitter and very out of touch. (Sorry John, adding Palin only shows a lack of sound judgement, not an improvement of the ticket).

Seems to me that the Republican Party has become a group of self-serving capitalists controlling an angry group of rednecks who want to look up Palin's skirt.

Sorry, we really need some intelligence in the White House for a change.

And these smear tactics are not going to help you at this point - they are only proving that the majority of Americans are correct in siding with Obama.

Posted by: chick1 | October 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The Question?
If Barack Obama is a terroist because he was chosen to serve on the board with Ayers who was chosen to be on that board by the founder of the charity. Who was or is a conservative Republican.

Does that mean Mr McCain is a racist and a supporter of the KKK that advocated lynching. Since you {Mr.MCCain serve in the senate with Strom Thurman & Senator Bird who were members of the KKK and vote against the Civil Rights Bill and Martin Luther Kings Birthday? If you say “No” then why didn’t McCain quit or walk out? If that what you expected of Obama?

Posted by: AndWhat | October 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain supporters, guess who is the unpatriotic one? Palin cavorts with anti-American separatists. This is a very radical group that wants Alaska to secede from the US. She addressed this group this year as Governor. Her husband was a member until she ran for state office. She is friends with these radical people and even tried to appoint one to office. Don't believe me. Watch this separatist speak at: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Remember the accusations of "W" as a "terrorist"? McCain "palled" with "W" while he was a grown adult, and "W" knowingly orchestrated the killing of more heroic young Americans over a long term than Ayers or others ever even tried, 40 years ago.

Posted by: arch2 | October 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey dpand1: Anybody with half a brain would call what Bush did to New Orleans domestic terrorism. Pull your self together.

Posted by: hiberniantears | October 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The amount of FUD coming out of the McCain camp is astounding. So far McCains ideas have been effectively shut down by Obama who simply exposes them for what they are. I have not heard McCain dispute Obama's characterization of McCains healthcare plan and its taxes and costs. And it is McCain's own words that are really hurting him, like "bomb bomb Iran" and the "100 year war". Obama only needs to point out McCain's own words just as Tina Fey can make us laugh just be reciting word for word something silly that Palin has said.

But I agree the hate speaches have to stop. You have to go back to the 60s to see those kind of hateful speaches essentially calling your opponent an enemy of the state. Its an obvious move caused by despiration but you only need one nut to decide to take matters into their own hands. Ethics is important, even in a presidential campaign. I will hold McCain and Palin personally responsible for anyone hurt by a nut inspired by their hateful speaches. They have shown themselves to be unethical and thus unAmerican. We don't need people like that in power. We've had 8 years of unethical people in power and look around to see how well that turned out.

Posted by: bevjims1 | October 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Senator McCain's campaign does seem to be out of touch by harping on this Ayers connection. It's not John McCains job to expose Senator Obama's skeletons, that's for the media and those public service minded Obama insider's to do. It;s okay to mention the Ayers/ACORN connection on the stump, but Jeezus tap dancing Kryst, explain what it is you're going to do to help America before you start! This cannot and should not be the entire McCain campaign strategy. Senator McCain had a significant idea in the last debate, now it appears that he's been beaten down by Wall street and the Bankers and is changing his idea to protect their profits. What I heard Senator McCain say was thet he would order the Secretary of the Treasury to "purchase" the problematic mortgages and work to refinance these mortgaes at a more affordable rate, or requite that lenders work to move homeowners into less costly homes already in the banks inventory. A great idea! Now it appears that Senator McCain is suggesting that the banks and mortgage interests involved be given "the original value" of these properties, rather than their current value. This isn't just a non-starter idea, it's a slap in the face to America's taxpayers. McCain should clarify that he meant that these mortgages would be purchased at their current value, therby establishing a reliable "floor" for home values. Imprudent lenders, bad actors, crooks, opportunists would be "dinged" for the difference, thereby addressing American's view that these bad actors should be punished, rather than rewarded for their ineptitude, mismanagement or simple greed. Somebody really need to talk to the powers that be in the McCain campaign and tell them they are on the wrong track!

Posted by: edweirdness | October 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey JPVanderbilt!!!

The Washington Times is owned by Sun Myong Moon. Are you a Moonie????

mb

Posted by: mef1955 | October 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when the Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Telling the truth about Obama is a MUST, a REQUIREMENT, that all honest voters are entitled to, and DEMAND, before the election, not after the election. Obama, if you and your supporters can not handle the truth about "ALL" aspects of your life then you should not be a candidate for public office and you should withdraw...as FULL DISCLOSURE about you is A REQUIREMENT of running for a public office.

Posted by: ltk01 | October 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

GW Bush got the whold world into trouble, because he is stupid and psychologically sick. John McCain is worse, he is reckless, angry,physically sick, old, on top of all the defects that Bush has.At this junction in American history, we might as well torch the whole country in to fire, if we elect John McCain, the crazy sick old man.

Posted by: johnycheng1 | October 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Can a McCain/conservative please explain what would it take to realise we are on the wrong track after the last 8 years?

We are in a war that was sold on lies, an economic meltdown, massive job loses, people loosing half of their retirement savings and counting, massive foreclosures, businesses failing, energy cost soring, on and on.

Where is threshold for you? Breadlines? Widespread violent riots and crimes? Unemeployment at 8%? Unemployemnt at 10%? Complete socalism? A full on culture war? America loosing their first world status?

What does it take?


Posted by: Dano111 | October 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Judging by the number of anti-Obama postings made by DSM_CAL (roughly every 5 minutes), it seems pretty clear that he is on the McCain payroll.

Posted by: day2day | October 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

NeverLeft: What values? Obviously they were both interested in education. Be logical. Or do you really believe it might indicate Obama wants to engage in domestic terrorism? If anything, Ayers probably respected Obama's values of reform and equity.

Posted by: trmck29 | October 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

ellie2:

Nice try. Desperate, but nice try nonetheless.

Trust me, if there were even a shred of legitimacy to your much-ballyhooed Alaska Independence Party accusations, the legions of press operatives in Alaska would have covered it backwards and forwards by now.

Give it up. Just because you are embarrassed by the daily revelations of Obama's past doesn't mean you should engage in frantic measures to try to deflect and redirect the conversation so people won't find out the truth about Obama.

That's the media's job.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

In his desperation Sen. McCain has turned to the tactics of smear and fear, which I find deeply disheartening. It is, in my opinion, a scorched-earth policy: should it succeed (and I pray it does not)it looks as though McCain would only win by a tiny margin and having alienating a huge portion of the citizenry,disgusted by his return to the politics of personal destruction. Given the serious crisis we are in, how can he hope to govern effectively having won in such a disgraceful manner?

Posted by: peterjust | October 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Economy? Economy? OK ... the economy it is then ... I do not want our economy managed by a person with Marxist mentors & associations ... just what kind of an economy do you want ... a socialist one?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The only people who would buy this crap are the 26% of the public dumb enough to still support Bush. These same troglodyte's were never going to join in Obama's victory in the first place, and reasonable people should question if they are smart enough to find even find a polling station. In truth, I hope McCain spends all his money on this line of reasoning over the next three weeks, since it is a complete waste of resources.

Posted by: hiberniantears | October 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Fact: Obama sat in a domestic terrorists living room and drank coffee with the domestic terrorist.

Have you ever sat in the living room of a domestic terrorist? I have not.

Fact: Obama took campaign contributions from a domestic terrorist.

Have you ever cashed a check from a domestic terrorist? I have not.

Facts people. Not media / Obama apologies and spin.

Posted by: dpand1 | October 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Who was visiting the Whitehouse on 911? Osama Bin Laden's mom and dad.
Who was bribed by Keating, which led to the S&L crisis, the failure of banks, the loss of retirement and savings of you and me?
John McCain

The first comment accuses both candidates of talking down to the American people.

Yesterday, I watched a McCain ralley where a giant man was towering from the stands with a microphone, telling John that he was really mad, screaming into the microphone.

The crowd sounded like a cage of baboons, all grunting and spitting, I could feel the rage in their anger.

The man blsted out, "go get him."

They were not talking about Osama Bin Laden, they were talking about Barak Hussein Obama, a muslim terrorist sympathizer and enemy of our nation.

What I felt was what it must have been like to live in the 1950's, when fear gripped the nation and we investigated ourselves to find the communists.

McCarthy and his bunch, all but donned white robes with pointed hats.

So if you think talking down to the American people is wrong, you need to understand 1 out of 4 people still think George Bush is doing a good job.

That means 27% of America is about as smart as a baboon and can be found grunting and throwing feces at each other at McCain rallies.

If you want to be outraged at someone, try looking in the mirror. You allowed your miltary to be hijacked by a sitting Vice President, and you continue to deny your responsibility.

Posted by: ender3rd | October 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

For all you Obama supporters, those who require no qualification to be President, if Obama gets in, all you will have left is HOPE!

HOPE that you'll find another job.

HOPE that those in the world that hate you (Muslim Extremist) won't come kill you.

HOPE that the new superpowers created (China, Russia, EU...) will be as giving as we were.

HOPE for impeachment!

And that is no analogy about a mythical box!

Posted by: AverageAmerican1 | October 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Go McCain! I think that this particular ad campaign will open the brains of many undecided female voters like me. As a longtime Hillary fan (she will be the next president! clear the way for her; vote for McCain)), I had had many doubts on OBAMA.
My vote is for McCain because it's a safe choice! The switching is ON!

Posted by: ClareY1 | October 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when Farrakhan video was made ...

The Farrakhan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Questions that got CENSORED from McCain & Obama's town hall "debate"...

Question #1: EXPERIENCE
"Senator McCain, regarding our hostages in Guantanamo, in your opinion does their experience being tortured by us for the last five years qualify them to be presidents of their respective countries?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuQDTjx-ygM

Posted by: DevonM | October 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

If you read any bio on Obama, there will be much bragging about how he accumulated 150,000 voter registrations when he worked for ACORN's arm, 'Project Vote', in 1992.

So given ACORN's track record, Obama's 150,000 voter registrations would represent, what, about 3000-4000 actual voters?

Not quite as impressive as we were led to believe, I guess.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm interested to hear how all those of you worked up about Ayers (a $200 contribution! A coffee held at his house!), who by the way is a recipient of a million dollar grant for his educational work from the foundation established by megabuck Republican donor Annenberg, feel about Palin's years of attendance at the Alaskan Independence Party meetings. Joe Vogler, head of AIP, has said:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag."

Obama renounced Wright, Palin is still buddies with Vogler. And in Wright's case, he is old enough to date back to lynchings, so he has some excuse for mouthing off. Nobody is going around lynching the White residents of Alaska.

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin undergoing a ceremony to protect her from witchcraft -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg

McCain, flagrant adulterer, deserter of his first wife after she was disabled in a car accident, what's not to like? That's honorable, right? Oh, wait.

Nice try trying to deflect attention from the economy going not only into the toilet but on its way out to the sewerage treatment plant. People are no longer buying this.

Posted by: ellie2 | October 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Obama does not have anything to do with Ayers radical agenda but Palin has strong ties to anti-American separatists. They helped her in her campaigns and she even tried to appoint one to office as mayor of Wasilla. Todd Palin was a member of this radical party till she ran for state office in 2002. Watch the video at Salon: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Posted by: LW22 | October 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

DBITT- (must stand for "d bitt that went down moms leg was d best part of me")

Let’s set this bullsh*t straight once and for all.

A war vet who...
- had a military career only because his father kept him from being court-martialed more than once;
COURT MARTIALED FOR A PLANE CRASH – NAME ONE OTHER INCIDENT WHERE THAT HAS OCCURRED. OR ARE ALL PILOTS THE SONS OF ADMIRALS?

- crashed five planes and caused property damage while showing off in Spain;
I SUPPOSE BEING SHOT DOWN DURING WAR IS THE PILOTS FAULT. I SUPPOSE WE CAN THEN INDITE THE 10’S OF THOUSANDS OF PILOTS WHO HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN OVER THE LAST 70 YEARS.

ONE OF YOUR “CRASHES” INVOLVED BEING HIT BY A ROCKET FROM A FELLOW AIRCRAFT WHILE ONBAORD A CARRIER WAITING TO TAKE OFF.

ANOTHER “CRASH” INVOLVED CLIPPING POWER LINES WHICH DID NOT RESULT IN A CRASH.

- cheated on and then left his faithful first wife for a rich and much younger woman, who could (and did) establish him in Arizona politics;
I DON’T KNOW WHY THEIR MARRIAGE ENDED AND NEITHER DO YOU IMBECILE.

- conspired with others to frustrate regulators and investigators as part of the Keating Five, but was only admonished for poor judgment by the Senate;
THE DEMOCRAT ATTORNEY WHO MANAGED THE HEARINGS HAS ALREADY SAID THE REASON MCCAIN WAS BROUGHT IN WAS BECAUSE HE WAS A REPUBLICAN SCAPEGOAT TO SAVE FACE FOR A PARTISAN DEMOCRAT COMMITTTE.

- fosters a myth of "bipartisanship" when everything he ever did with Democrats he has later voted against or disavowed;
HIS RECORDS OF BIPARTISAN SHIP IS CLEAR ON CRITICAL VOTES HE HAS CROSSED THE AISLE 33% OF THE TIME COMPARED TO 3% FOR OBAMORON

- railed against earmarks when his running mate is one of the biggest earmark queens in the country;
PALIN IS ABOUT A BILLION DOOLARS BEHIND OBAMORON SO YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO SPEAK

- "suspended" his campaign long enough to have absolutely no positive effect on the Wall Street relief legislation, and later couldn't get his House GOP to vote for it anyway;
HIS INVLOVEMENT DIRECTLY REDUCED THE COMP THE THEIVES ON WALL STREET WILL GET. OBAMA’S INVOLVEMNT (HIS LACK OF SUPPORT FOR S.190 WHILE STUFFING HIS POCKETS WITH $126,000 FROM Freddie/Fannie) IS THE REASON WE ARE IN THIS MESS TO BEGIN WITH.

STUFF IT MORON.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Just what we need for President, an adulterer who cheated on his wife when she was in a hospital bed, someone who admits to not knowing much about economics, isn't really sure how many houses he owns, plays politics with the economy by running "back to Washington", and then having egg on his face because there is no deal, and tries to block Troopergate investigation. Meanwhile he picks a pathalogical liar; thanks but no thanks, firing cook, selling plane on e-bay, etc., etc...who isn't sure of the newspapers she reads and has a hard time speaking English in coherent sentences. "Gotcha" John, you and Palin are pandering idiots who place your own desires above country.

Posted by: crossroadsnow | October 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

What common values and goals are held by Barack Obama and domestic terrorist William Ayers that would cause Ayers to support Obama?

We have a right to know this, despite Obama's water carriers in the press covering for him.

Posted by: NeverLeft | October 10, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Economy? Economy? OK ... the economy it is then ... I do not want our economy managed by a person with Marxist mentors & associations ... just what kind of an economy do you want ... a socialist one?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

it shows the type of person John McCain is and the type of President he will be.
So Obama was what? in his early 20's at the time?!
Thats surprisingly low for a man of John McCain's integrity and intelligence. For John McCain trying relentlessly to make a case out of something that happened so long ago is a definitely the wrong choice.Choices made by a kid in his 20's are different than choices made a man at 47.It is defamatory and misleading to try to make believe the contrary to the American people.
John McCain demonstrates right here he is not different from JWBush....He is interested in destroying Obama s image rather than talking about the real issues to the American people....

Posted by: gsboy | October 10, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

One thing Obama could do is bring up some more of McCain's shady behaviors. For example:

McCain is a gambling addict, who takes monthly junkets to Las Vegas to throw tens of thousands of dollars of Cindy's money at the crap tables.

McCain supports, and has always supported, privatizing the Social Security fund, i.e. putting it in the stock market. Given what the stock market has been doing the last few days, you can imagine the public reaction. McCain's campaign would crash in flames.

Posted by: Osmigo | October 10, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

In answer to Chris' question "What does Ayers have to do with congressional Democrats?": According to the caption at the end of the ad, it's paid for by the McCain campaign and the RNC acting together. Campaign finance rules require that such ads cannot be about the presidential campaign alone; they also (ostensibly) have to be about congressional races too, thus the mention had to be thrown in. I'm sure the Washington Post has written stories about these requirements.

Posted by: akpertilla | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't care who anyone votes for. But it really looks like Obama's full of it. I the beginning I was fired up about this guy.

The more I listened the more turned off I was. NOBODY has the solutions to everything like he says he has.

And yeah- the Ayers thing bugs me. People say " he was eight when Ayers bombed/killed people". Does that mean in 20 years anyone can hang out with Bin Laden if he's still alive? Ayers should be shot. I don't mind demonstrating for a cause. But bombing your own country???? That guy is a nutcase.

As a matter of fact I'd whack him myself.

Write in Ross Perot. Or anyone else for that matter.

Or move to France. No, wait. The USA WILL be France if this crap keeps up.


Posted by: madcitizen | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The good news is that this proves that McCain is desperate and now clawing at anything that might strike a dim-witted cord--he has nothing else, his campaign has always been bankrupt of originality. These conspiracy theories are absurd and already disproven at best. The bad news is that a lot of people are still quite stupid and might buy this vitriol. I want Obama to take the high road, but I do not want him to be John Kerry and be swift-boated out of the lead in the last days. So far, Obama has impressed me with his willingness to fight back and coolly dismiss this foolishness.

Posted by: trmck29 | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The relevant question that is impliedly raised by Chris is whether three weeks of personal attacks [does not matter if they are true or false or half true] will significantly affect the outcome of the election. I am guessing "no".
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Believing, as I do, that the next president will face a task complicated by a crisis of confidence, whoever wins will be partially hamstrung by the three weeks of personal attacks. And that, I think, is the sad reality for all of us.

political and economic problems are not like algebra - there are usually more than one or two solutions, and hardly any problems are completely insoluble over time. Effective problem solving requires trusting the motives of the players even when they disagree on the approach. Standard mud politics leads to distrust in the body politic and Americans who think of McC as a traitor and BHO as a terrorist.
It really does us no good.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The analogy to Pandora is apt. What else is in the box? Troopergate, the Alaska Independence Party (talk about un-American!), McCain's 80s affiliation with toxic right wing organizations, McCain's failure to note his position on the board of one such organization in his congressional registration despite the requirement to "List all affiliations." Lot's of bogies in that box.

Posted by: drjoe | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

This is so sick it's almost laughable. That's why we have "Mute" buttons on our remotes. Mine's in overdrive due McCain's lies, smears and b.s. Better look at the economy McCain that's what's killing you.

Posted by: NotBubba | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

My question is: why did John McCain not raise Barack Obama's supposed connection to Bill Ayers at the last debate? He and Sarah Palin pounded on it days prior and started up again the day after the debate. My supposition is John McCain was too afraid to mention it because, 1) it's not true or greatly exaggerated at best, and 2) he didn't want Mr. Obama to counter with McCain's involvement in the Keating Five savings and loan scandal of the 1980s, which bares a stark resemblance to the economic crisis we are in now. I'd like reporters to ask Mr. McCain this directly.

--
Joe Bevilacqua http://www.joebev.com

Napanoch, NY

Posted by: joebev1 | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama is true Liar and hypocrait

His say was different on election reform and actions are different


his belief of society is different but he can share thoughts and follow spirts of Ayer and Wright(his pastor)


He can speak loud but cannot vote against torture

he can speak of freedom but will support spy agencies tapping phones


Obama is some one who has family history of one generation he has roots and ideas of Kenya not America


Mccain has nothing to do with George bush they belong to same party , Bush was elected by America sponsored my Media with agenda of war fears.which now is sponsoring Obama on economic fears, Obama is as new fresh and inexperienced as Bush

This is a wake up call. Its person and experience which are important not the party

Posted by: mrn744 | October 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

... Nothing speaks louder about a man's character than the company he keeps.

Yep, like Charles Keating, Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, and Joe Vogler-a REAL America-hater.

Idiot.

Posted by: hillary11 | October 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

bushieisa:
"[McCain] cannot seem to accomplish what a completely incompetent moron in the form of GWB could: secure the sub-prime vote and get elected."

Actually, it's Obama's former organization ACORN that is most successful in securing the sub-prime vote...many times over.

Check the polls.....you would have zero evidence to prove your assertion that Bush brought in swaths of the lower-income vote. These voters traditionally vote heavily Democrat, and that has not changed in decades.

I wonder if ACORN's motto is the same as that of the Chicago political machine that produced Obama: "Vote Early, and Often".

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

McCain's winning strategy of 'anger' and 'divisiveness' is not working at a time when the American people are loosing their savings and suffering economically. He is unfit to be the next leader when he lacks of judgment by going after his opponent's character, preaching to his base- the angry 20% of the population--- instead of dealing with the economy. We do not need a leader with years of experience with tired old ideas. We need a leader who has a capacity for critical thinking and informed decision making. McCain is not that person.

Posted by: artemisia1 | October 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Please do not miss this article, McCain's Contra terrorist connection.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/john-mccains-terrorist-co_b_133326.html

Posted by: yourfinancialfreedomteam | October 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Talk about being a traitor- Sarah Palin was sleeping with someone who is part of a separist group?

Doesn't sound like country first to me.

If you are going to point fingers you better make sure you have your stuff together.

From what I see, neither she or McCain's corner is very clean.

Whats worse is their focus is not on the issues that are affecting the American people. I have said this all along. The GOP is not for all of America. If you look at the make up their party you will see.

If many of their constituents had their way, there would be no minorities in America. If many of them had their way African Americans would still be slaves calling them Massa.

Thank God they don't.

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | October 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Dow down 200+points. Bailout??? All sorts of other problems going on and this is what McCain is focusing on?

Come on John, your better than that....or are you?

Goes to show the American people where his priorities are.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The list of radical people supporting Obama keeps getting longer.

Farrakhan
Phleger
Wright
Ayers
...

probably nothing to it though, huh?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Todd Palin was a member of a political group that wanted Alaska to secede from the U.S. Isn't that treason? So...Sarah Palin is literally "in bed" with a terrorist.

Posted by: handsomepeet | October 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

There is a link between Ayers the congressional democrats and the financial crisis. The work Obama did with Ayers contributed money to the well intentioned but misguided effort to expand home ownership. They protested against and legally threatened banks at the grassroots level, and they used political influence, through congressional democrats to loosen Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac standards.

I don't know if the McCain campaign is slowly rolling this out so that it isn't a one-day blip on the news cycle that doesn't stick or what, but there is a definite connection.

My take: first, it troubles me that a candidate for president doesn't have any past associates who can stand up and vouch for him.

Second, the work done to expand home ownership was the root cause of the global financial crisis. Does Obama understand this and has he learned from it?

We all know he is great at the means, but what about the ends?

Posted by: kevin545 | October 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

That's it? That's the best they can do with the Ayers malarkey?

I say Obama should stay on the high road and let John McCain continue to self-destruct. The $300B to buy up home mortgages has his base up in arms.

Obama should keep the Keating 5, the ties to the gambling industry, the Sarah Palin Alaska Independence Party, Troopergate and all of that stuff in his pocket. This ad is WEAK.

Posted by: bsmith21 | October 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

... Nothing speaks louder about a man's character than the company he keeps.

Posted by: sonvec | October 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

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Boy, who knew so many liberals could be in cahoots?! Regardless of the fact that Palin is an idiot who knows how to read a teleprompter and regurgitate spoon-fed answers, the press should be singing her praises! The liberal MSM is sooooo mean!

C'mon, get real. When Tina Fey doesn't need to change the dialogue or delivery on an interview and can get people to laugh, you only need the press to report on Palin to make her look like an idiot.

But thank God for Fox News... providing the "balance" to those granola eating, peace-loving, world-apologists in the liberal MSM. At least the hate they spew is the same hate I believe in... and that's the hate that Jesus taught. Wait, Jesus didn't tell us to kill Muslims and hate blacks? It doesn't matter, I have faith he did. Man, I love it when Sean Hannity insinuates Obama's links to Ayers and calls him a communist because deep down he's really just not comfortable with a black guy being his leader... classic.

Posted by: SteadyState | October 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

This ad should not even be allowed on TV. When did Obama lie?

This is total nonsense and I seriously hope people call McCain on this. He should not be allowed to put such things on the television.

He is acting in an extremely dishonorable manner.

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | October 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin are inciting hate and fear, it smacks of KKK. Folks at rallies are yelling "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" using the N word and very likely working up some half-wit redneck as a potential assassin for Obama.

Folks, no matter who you plan to vote for contact your elected GOP officials and tell them that this hate and fear mongering has to STOP IMMEDIATELY. It's unAmerican, it's certainly not presidential, and which undecided voter with half a brain is going to be pulled to vote McCain by that garbage?

I was actually considering McCain, but now with this garbage it's No Way, No How, No McCain.

Posted by: ScoutieDog | October 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

McNasty has nothing to run on other than the Willie Horton platform. He stands for nothing now other than illogical hatred. The candidate's actions are not only a stretch, after all there is no "there" there, but despicable.

Posted by: pixel1 | October 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

What we feared when McCain picked Sarah Palin as his alter ego has come true -- the dark side of John McCain has emerged. And it isn't pretty.

Unfortunately, Palin's dark side is still hidden. Her association with the Alaskan Independence Party which is seditious in its desire to secede from the union has been largely ignored.

For why this is far more troubling than Obama's ties to professor William Ayers, check this out:

http://sarahpalinwatch.blogspot.com

Posted by: jbrinkmeyer | October 10, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Obama has TRIED to take the high road. However, McCain has run a dishonest and dishonorable campaign and Obama must respond in some fashion to some attacks or they will be believed to be true by certain sets of voters (ie: What John Kerry went through).

This is sad. McCain looks more despirate and angry each day. Swing voters do NOT respond well to this. What are they thinking?

Posted by: RyanHealey | October 10, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Farrakan is a parasite. Remember the million man march? I saw his speech, it was all about Farrakan and what a wonder he was to his god's world.
Not a thing about all those men who came, nor why they came.

Farrakan is trying to parasitize Obama now, trying to suck some of what he perceives to be glory. And you morons who blame Obama for this ... christ, I swear.

Posted by: khote14 | October 10, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Never forget what was left in Pandora's box, after all the hate and evil and fear had erupted and spewed their venom over the world -

HOPE.

So too, the American people with President Barack Obama will remain standing, hope high, after all this campaign evil is dissipated.

Posted by: why1201 | October 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when Farrakan video was made ...

The Farrakan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

NO COMMENT PAPASMOKE?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Let us be very clear...

the next generation of domestic terrorists are coming out of the incitement from those sarah palin rallies.

Do we all not understand the similarities between Timothy McVeigh, Joe Vogler (Todd and sarah's inspiration for joining AIP)

and th epeople and the values that hurled those chants and screams that palin was fanning.

and secondly

when historians turn around and look at the low point of our nation they will not say 2008...

they will point clearly to the years 2000 through 2006. when all the judgements laws, bills and ignoring of cliffs... occured.

and clearly who caused it during those 6 years...

the rest is all Crate and Barrel clean up...

while the team from 2000 to 2006 fought that clean up.

Posted by: klondike2 | October 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The stock market is down ANOTHER 200 points today, and falling, and all we keep hearing about is Ayers.

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This how Nazism began.
Huge economic crisis.
Appeal to patriotism/religion.
Scapegoating (them: the Jews; Repubs: the blacks amd Muslims).

Palin wants a Christian nation. She and Tom DeLay....facists.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Never forget what was left in Pandora's box, after all the hate and evil and fear had erupted and spewed their venom over the world -

HOPE.

So too, the American people with President Barack Obama will remain standing, hope high, after all this campaign evil is dissipated.

Posted by: why1201 | October 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

To Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama. Stop insulting the American public and myself with your TV adds. You distort facts and talk down to us like we're a bunch of five year old children and I resent it. If this represents your personalities our country is in deep trouble regardless of who wins.

Posted by: snerdguy | October 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I watched the news showing McCain’s interview on Fox being televised on CNN, FOX, and other networks. In the interview McCain said he wanted Obama to come out with the truth about Ayers so the public can decide. Why isn’t anyone calling out McCain on his hypocrisy on TROOPERGATE? He asks that Obama come clean, yet he sends his lawyers to Alaska to cover up TROOPERGATE. Why doesn’t McCain let Palin testify about her TROOPERATE connection so the American Public can decide – the same standard he wants to apply to Obama.

I don’t want to hear this excuse that TROOPERGATE is politically motivated and that the AYERS connection isn’t. If anything, Palin was in office as a government official during TROOPERGATE while Obama was eight years old when Ayers did his despicable act. You tell me which has more validity in applying a standard of judgment -- a person governing when the act was being committed or a person who was eight years old when someone else committed the act?

If judgment is what McCain is questioning about Obama, shouldn’t the American pubic question McCain’s judgment for picking a VP that may be using her powers for personal reasons? Especially after 8 years of Dick Chaney abusing his powers. After all, Palin's character could be a heart beat away from the Presidency if McCain is elected. If McCain wants the American pubic to decide what is true, than let Palin testify and the public decide. Come on, what are you afraid of McCain, the truth? McCain keeps preaching about transparency in government, but I guess that only applies to others, not himself or those he surrounds himself with. McCain seems to wear hypocrisy as well as one of his thousand dollar suits. His campaign and campaign tactics looks more and more like the same eight years of Bush tactics that middle class had to suffer through. NO MORE -- BUSH SCARE TACTICS MAY OF WORKED FOR THE WAR, BUT WE WON'T LET IT WORK THIS TIME.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

popasmoke:
You said Obama wasn't even a senator when Farrakan video was made ...

The Farrakan podium says "Saviours Day 2008".

Obama was a senator in 2008.

Must have missed that huh?

Check it out for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hockey moms unite!

Country First!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycdgJoN5H8

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Or does Obama mock John McCain for focusing on an tenuous link to someone who did something bad 40 years ago while the economy is cratering and people are concerned about their futures? Really - he served on a Board and the guy held a coffee for him? Is that all you got?

Isn't this a perfect illustration that John McCain wants to look to the past and Obama is about the future?

Dishonorable, desperate and peddling old news - that's the John McCain of 2008 (and that will be his legacy too).

Posted by: dbjackso1 | October 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Obama will take the high road, defend himself gracefully like he always does but not stoop to the desperate level McCain and Sarah Palin have.

God doesn't like ugly and that is the level McCain and Sarah Palin have stooped too. They too will get their reward and it will not be winning. Their reward will be one way tickets back to Arizona and Alaska on November 4th.
Good riddens!

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | October 10, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm voting for Rambo, he was a war hero too! Maybe the repubs could use him in an ad. Although he'll probably be offended, just like Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters, Heart, Jackson Browne...pretty much the entire country minus you ignorant neocons who can't think independently or for some of you, even at all.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

honestly, how can anyone's judgment be questioned because they sat on a board with someone?
If you question judgment over that, then it's Anneberg (diplomat appointed by Reagan and donor to McCain) who put Ayres on the board.
this is simply ridiculous and meant to gin up the rabid mob of the republican base because McCain is losing.
People are sick of and have moved on from this stuff.

Posted by: vwcat | October 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

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And you secretly like to get with little boys... proof? I don't need proof; whatever I say is FACT. I trust my gut for thruthiness and my gut says you like little boys.

Care to elaborate on your assessment of Obama's secret desires to call you comrade?

Posted by: SteadyState | October 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

McCain must be roasting his campaign staff.

Still in an ancient orthodox democracy, where the vote of the imbecile counts the same as that of the genius, and where nature itself asserts there will be more imbeciles than geniuses, he cannot seem to accomplish what a completely incompetent moron in the form of GWB could: secure the sub-prime vote and get elected.

Sucks to be you, Mr. McCain.

Posted by: bushieisa | October 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Country First" is just another lie. McCain's shameless pursuit of power and glory belittles only himself. The lower he goes trying to convince voters that Obama is a black radical terrorist, the more he demeans and belittles himself.

Keep it up, John. The landslide is coming.

Posted by: natterly71 | October 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

This is the best the Rovian National Committee could do for John McCain?

Boy, talk about bankrupt.

Posted by: khote14 | October 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Following up on Average Jane's comments (10:30), let us also remember Obama's own account of his association with Rev. Wright, given in a speech in March 2008. I've pasted the most relevant text in below. I know it's long. Those who really want answers to the questions about "Who is Barack Obama," should be willing to read this and other answers that are readily available. For those interested only in raising doubts and making insinuations about Obama, there is no hope.

Full text available at (among other places) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88478467 (among other places).

"On one end of the spectrum, we've heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it's based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.
I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

"But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

"As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

"Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

"But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS."

Posted by: whoputsamericafirst | October 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

bsimon1 writes:
"Remind me how that worked out for Pandora."

Worse yet, remember how that worked out for the world -- the unleashing of all of the ills of mankind. I fear that McC's opening of this box has unleashed a wave of hate, which we see brewing in his rallies, something that may be very hard to put back in the box.

But remember what was left in the box: Hope.

Posted by: mnteng | October 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

This man has no business running our great nation.

Country First!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i5T301aAWg

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 10, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Desparate ad by an even more desparate man. He's resorted to name calling, next step is to drop out.

Posted by: beaversrus | October 10, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Herbert Hoover's campaign slogan: "A chicken in every pot."

John McCain's campaign slogan: "A chick and a crackpot."

Posted by: hamishdad | October 10, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Manolete: You are OBSOLETE, just like McCain. Can't you say anything original? You've been copying and pasting the same worthless junk for how long now??

Go away. Nobody cares what you have to say.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin are hate-mongers. Their rallys remind me of the old Jim and Tammy-Faye Bakker side-show. Working up an audience of followers into a lynch-mob frenzy is bad for the G.O.P. and bad for America. The "Mavericks" are reactionary nationalists closer to Neo-Nazis than Neo-Cons. America needs help, not hate. Free the Republican Party from this cancer. Vote them out and send a message this is NOT the change the G.O.P. or the U.S.A. needs. Let's STOP THE HATE. Pass it on.

Posted by: aphilsmith | October 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Sad but true. McCain is an angry old fart and Palin a dumb polar-bear murderer. They are so out of touch, it's pathetic. They are behaving like cornered rats. I once respected Mr. McCain. But every day he puts his foot in his mouth just a little bit more. It is not surprising that Obama/Biden have pulled such a significant lead. I, and most Americans frankly, only yawn at their mention of Ayers. Give me a break. Mr. GW Bush has tanked this country. His only legacy will be: he bankrupted us, got us into a false war that drained our pockets and our souls and is lasting longer than either World War, and alienated from the rest of the world community. And Mr. McCain supported the idiot 90 percent of the time. He has some nerve to call himself a maverick. Does he really think voters will buy that? Yeah maybe his narrow-minded moral-chomping greed-mongering base. But no fair-minded American is fooled by his antics. This election is a no-brainer. Mr. Obama - you are our next President. Hip-hip hooray! Rick Vila, Palm Springs, California

Posted by: rick220 | October 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

No more "subtlety." Obama does not have a "first-class intellect and temperament." This country does not need cold fishes, who agree with every critic from abroad about this country. This country needs an advocate, who gets firey and passionate about their love and appreciation of this country.

Look at Reagan; an apparently cool temperament, but he would have fought through the fires of hell for this country and he believed in it firmly.

The truth needs to come out about Obama and the Press has to stop being his lackey. The Press is supposed to look at both candidates objectively, not serve as the mouthpiece of one candidate they refuse to look at with OPEN EYES.

Posted by: eeave | October 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

So, Bush snorts coke in college, parties and does terribly at Yale and we give him the pass. Then Obama works on the same board as Ayers for a little while and lives down the street from him when Ayers was the one who committed terrible (though he saw them necessary) acts in the 60's when Obama was just a child and we condemn Obama over Bush?! I think we ought to hold everyone to the same standards, especially when Keating had McCain and his family vacation with them plenty of times... when did Obama and Ayers ever go on vacation together much less spend any SIGNIFICANT time together? Factcheck.org and Politifact.com have debunked any serious and influential involvement with Ayers or Rezko on Obama's part; that's right, I forgot your GOP-worshippers don't deal in facts.

Posted by: SteadyState | October 10, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

DSM_CAL, get used to disappointment.

Posted by: ToddMSmyth | October 10, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

What's this whole world coming to, things just ain't the same...
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LOL. They never have been the same. It's called evolution. It's still happening.

The definition of life is movement. Movement is change. The USA is not the high point of history...it's just one point along the way.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 10, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

And what about McCain's judgment and association with Bush 41 (together in a golf cart) and 43 (90% similar voting records)? In “Connections And Then Some: David Rubenstein Has Made Millions Pairing the Powerful With the Rich” (The Washington Post, March 16, 2003; Page F1) Staff Writer Greg Schneider wrote: "It didn't help that as the World Trade Center burned on Sept. 11, 2001, the news interrupted a Carlyle business conference at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel here attended by a brother of Osama bin Laden. Former president Bush, a fellow investor, had been with (Osama's brother) at the conference the previous day."

Cast the first stone...

Posted by: TaoZen | October 10, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Obama secretly believes in Marxist ideals, just like his "friends".

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The stock market is down ANOTHER 200 points today, and falling, and all we keep hearing about is Ayers.

Apparently McCain's tactics aren't working. He is still 11 points down in the Gallup Poll. Apparently most people couldn't care less about Ayers. Big deal. It's old news.

What McCain doesn't realize is that he's preaching to the choir. The rest of the sane world is tuning it out, and turning it OFF. In the meantime, he's making himself look even WORSE, not better!

McCain is starting to sound like a broken record.... something from the last century.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 10, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse


That is so fake it make the UFO tapes look real. When that tape was made Obama was not even a senator.

OMG! WATCH THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Obama should use Sarah Palin and her executive power wielding husband Todd(who was not even elected into that job) ruthlessly to portray a very bad judgment on McCain's part. Obama should not have to stick to the high road alone, when his opponent who is old enough to be his father has taken such a low road. Go Obama, trash them both!!

Posted by: thisworld | October 10, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 10, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Here in Greece without adequate TV reception, I'm a bit out of touch. But what I *do* enjoy each election is the wheeling out of those wonderful 'Scary-voice Ladies' to do the voice-overs, each scarier than their rival.

Posted by: busker | October 10, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Worst.
Campaign.
Ever.

John McCain has disgraced himself and his party with the sleaziest campaign for President to date. His selection of a barely literate VP is on a par with his knuckle-dragging message. I can't wait to vote for Barack Obama and against this sick, old man.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | October 10, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I take it all back ... turns out Obama IS the Messiah!

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

No-brainer.

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:43 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You certainly are!

Posted by: conradh | October 10, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

It's all about trust & character ...

Let's see ... a war vet with a lifetime of service to his country (from a family with a history or service), or Obama & his radical 60's terrorist has-been friends (who are now just 60's radicals working from the inside), and a pastor that he listened to for 20 YEARS preaching whitey hate ... 20 YEAR is a long time to not really know somebody.

No-brainer.

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse
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If you can read you may want to check out who your candadate really is.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse


IS JOHN MCCAIN MAY BE THE WORST AMERICAN TRAITOR SINCE BENEDICT ARNOLD?

If Obama is so bad, why did Mccain not bring all this to the publics attention before? Wy did he let a terrorist sit in the United States senate and say nothing? If all this is true and Mccain had all this information about Obama, much like "I know how to catch Bin laden" and he has been keeping it a secret till it would serve him politically then John Mccain may be one of the worst traitors to his country in American history, right next to Benedict Arnold.
Mcain says, "I know how to fix the economy", I know how to win the war", I know how to catch Bin Laden", I know how to stop the terrorists" These are Mccains exact words. WHY IS HE KEEPING ALL THIS SECRET? Is it an attempt to blackmail the american people? If he loses will he help the next president do all these things with the super secret information he professes to have?

JOHN MCCAIN IS EITHER ONE OF AMERICAS GREATEST LIARS OR ONE OF IT'S WORST TRAITORS.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

What's this whole world coming to, things just ain't the same...

Posted by: Beingsensible | October 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

It's all about trust & character ...

Let's see ... a war vet with a lifetime of service to his country (from a family with a history or service), or Obama & his radical 60's terrorist has-been friends (who are now just 60's radicals working from the inside), and a pastor that he listened to for 20 YEARS preaching whitey hate ... 20 YEAR is a long time to not really know somebody.

No-brainer.

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse
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A war vet who...
- had a military career only because his father kept him from being court-martialed more than once;
- crashed five planes and caused property damage while showing off in Spain;
- cheated on and then left his faithful first wife for a rich and much younger woman, who could (and did) establish him in Arizona politics;
- conspired with others to frustrate regulators and investigators as part of the Keating Five, but was only admonished for poor judgment by the Senate;
- turned the Straight Talk Express into the Double Talk Express with the help of Karl Rove's proteges;
- fosters a myth of "bipartisanship" when everything he ever did with Democrats he has later voted against or disavowed;
- railed against earmarks when his running mate is one of the biggest earmark queens in the country;
- "suspended" his campaign long enough to have absolutely no positive effect on the Wall Street relief legislation, and later couldn't get his House GOP to vote for it anyway;
- pays a large number of lobbyists while moaning about their harmful effect on Washington DC and politics...

...should I go on?
You should know that the guy you're idolizing isn't honorable or worthy of the office of President.

As for Obama...
- Ayers was a terrorist in the 1960s but has since rehabilitated himself--the prosecutor in his case said he is "pleased" that Ayers has become a responsible citizen;
- Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was a radical;
- Walter Annenberg, a close friend of Ronald Reagan's, served on the same board as Obama and Ayers--is he a friend of terrorists too?
- Wright has freedom of speech (or hadn't you heard about that?)-- and is he really any worse than the church Palin attends? (Let's leave aside her friendly attitude toward the Alaska Independence Party and how hateful they are toward the US government...)
- and finally, Obama's policies and stand on the issues is progressive, unlike the Cold War dinosaur running for the GOP.

So... you really think your guy has a chance?
Guess the next four years are going to be a long, bitter pill for you to swallow.

Posted by: dbitt | October 10, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

It's all about trust & character ...

Let's see ... a war vet with a lifetime of service to his country (from a family with a history or service), or Obama & his radical 60's terrorist has-been friends (who are now just 60's radicals working from the inside), and a pastor that he listened to for 20 YEARS preaching whitey hate ... 20 YEAR is a long time to not really know somebody.

No-brainer.

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of scared sheep the people that believe this crap from McCain are! My god, your fear and racism will make your worst nightmares come true, if the McCain/Ridiculous ticket is elected. Get your mind right people!

Posted by: conradh | October 10, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Not now John got to get on with the show...specifically this one: http://soonerthought.blogspot.com/2008/10/keating-economics-john-mccain-and.html

Posted by: soonerthought | October 10, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the McCain campaign will run these ridiculous ads ad nauseum for a week or so, then run out of money 10 or 14 days prior to the election.

My opinion is that Obama should stay on the straight and narrow -- talking about how he's going to help the average American in the new, more challenging economic climate; how the age of anger and cynicism are over and hope is possible; and the twenty-first century version of "we have nothing to fear but fear itself". Compared to McCain's floundering around like a fish out of water, this sensible talk should appeal to the voters who will swing this election -- the ones in the middle.

Posted by: stickbook | October 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'

By JEANE MacINTOSH Post Correspondent
PAWNS IN 'FRAUD': Freddie Johnson, yesterday in Cleveland, and Lateala Goins told of filling out voter registrations multiple times in the ACORN scandal revealed by The Post yesterday.

October 10, 2008

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, 'You are?' I say, 'Yup,' and then they say, 'Can you just sign up again?' " he said.

Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.

ACORN is under investigation in Ohio and at least eight other states - including Missouri, where the FBI said it's planning to look into potential voter fraud - for over-the-top efforts to get as many names as possible on the voter rolls regardless of whether a person is registered or eligible.

It's even under investigation in Bridgeport, Conn., for allegedly registering a 7-year-old girl to vote, according to the State Elections Enforcement Commission.

Meanwhile, a federal judge yesterday ordered Ohio's Secretary of State to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents. The order was in response to a Republican lawsuit unrelated to the ACORN probe in Cuyahoga County, in which at least three people, including Johnson, have been subpoenaed.

Bribing citizens with gifts, property or anything of value is a fourth-degree felony in Ohio, punishable by up to 18 months in prison. And it's a fifth-degree felony - punishable by 12 months in jail - for a person to pay "compensation on a fee-per-registration" system when signing up someone to vote.

Johnson, who works at a cellphone kiosk in downtown Cleveland, said he was a sitting duck for the signature hunters, but was always happy to help them out in exchange for a smoke or a little scratch. He'd collected 10 to 20 cigarettes and anywhere from $10 to $15, he said.

The Cleveland voting probe, first reported by The Post yesterday, also focused on Lateala Goins, who said she put her name on multiple voter registrations. She guessed ACORN canvassers then put fake addresses on them. "You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," she said.

ACORN spokesman Kris Harsh said the group does not tolerate its workers paying people to sign the voter-registration cards.

ACORN's political wing has endorsed Barack Obama for president, but Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign in Ohio, said ACORN has no role in its get-out-the-vote drive.

During the primary season, however, the Obama camp paid another group, Citizen Service Inc., $832,598 for various political services, according to Federal Elections Commission filings. That group and ACORN share the same board of directors.

In Wisconsin yesterday, John McCain blasted ACORN.

"No one should be corrupting the most precious right we have, that is the right to vote," he said.

It's a right Johnson will exercise. "Yeah, I've registered enough - I might as well vote."

jeane.macintosh@nypost.com

Posted by: thecannula | October 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

let's see who owns the wall street jounal


Rupert Murdoch...

and what does Rupert stand for???? control of the media to act as a propaganda machine

for the elitist class......Rupert was aided in AUSTRALIA by CIA intervention in Australian politics...


anything coming from the Wall Street Journal is suspect at this point....

READ THIS: It's about Robert M. Gates, IRAN - CONTRA FELON and now Secretary of Defense....and propaganda minister for Karl Rove


It is worth recalling the history of the Golden Crescent drug trade, which is intimately related to the CIA's covert operations in the region since the onslaught of the Soviet-Afghan war and its aftermath.

Prior to the Soviet-Afghan war (1979-1989), opium production in Afghanistan and Pakistan was directed to small regional markets. There was no local production of heroin. (Alfred McCoy,

Drug Fallout: the CIA's Forty Year Complicity in the Narcotics Trade.

The Progressive, 1 August 1997).


The Afghan narcotics economy was a carefully designed project of the CIA, supported by US foreign policy.


As revealed in the IRAN-CONTRA and Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) scandals, CIA covert operations in support of the Afghan Mujahideen had been funded through the laundering of drug money. "Dirty money" was recycled --through a number of banking institutions (in the Middle East) as well as through anonymous CIA shell companies--, into "covert money," used to finance various insurgent groups during the Soviet-Afghan war, and its aftermath....AL QUEADA....

The Laundering of Drug Money

The proceeds of the drug trade are deposited in the banking system. Drug money is laundered in the numerous offshore banking havens in Switzerland, Luxembourg, the British Channel Islands, the Cayman Islands and some 50 other locations around the globe. It is here that the criminal syndicates involved in the drug trade and the representatives of the world's largest commercial banks interact. Dirty money is deposited in these offshore havens, which are controlled by the major Western commercial banks. The latter have a vested interest in maintaining and sustaining the drug trade.

Once the money has been laundered, it can be recycled into bona fide investments not only in real estate, hotels, etc, but also in other areas such as the services economy and manufacturing. Dirty and covert money is also funneled into various financial instruments including the trade in derivatives, primary commodities, stocks, and government bonds.

ooooooooooooooooooooooo la la.....

wake up little susie, wake up....


take me home, country road...


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"McCain Opens Pandora's Box"

Remind me how that worked out for Pandora.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 10, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Boy, it really looks like the Republicans are giving up on Illinois, doesen't it?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 10, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Don't know how many planes McCain has lost. But do know that we cannot afford further pilot error, especially pilot error on the grand scale.

Posted by: FirstMouse1 | October 10, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Ayers said "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough".

Do you really beleive Obama when he says he's just a guy from the neighborhood?

You'd better be sure ...

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

CHARACTER ASSASSINATION IS JUST FOR STARTERS:
ARE THE AGITATED 'CUDA CROWDS A HARBINGER OF THIS?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 10, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

what's wrong with the country and the elitist government????


they enacted a _P_L_A_N_N_E_D_ rigging of a game,


the financial market place

that PRIVATIZES PROFIT


while SOCAILIZES RISK....

_they_ the filthy rich screw up YOU pay for it

you screw up you pay for that too....


there's no risk to them, and no investment in making sure that your lives turn out okay....

but YOU THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THEM from the get go...


their risks are SOCIALIZED....part of our GOVERNMENT PAYOUT...


how do you feel about those non-compete bids for HALLIBURTON and CARLYLE GROUP


AMERICA????


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Do you mean that there are TWO Pandora boxes? I know that Dubya unleashed one and I didn't think anyone seeking national office would be dumb enough to open another, but I guess when you have run out of ideas and have no further vision, messing abd toying around with the future of America is all you have left.

What a pitiful campaign to foist upon the American people!!! FOR SHAME!

Posted by: clgrafton24 | October 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

so uh....help me out here....


wouldn't money laundering outfits be pushing subprime to feed the demand for money that wasn't looked at too hard? Word goes out, "just get a mortgage sold....we got backers...."


when I was in D.C. the drug mafia was making loans at Hotel in Tysons Corner, Virginia at a really good rate, sort of like a "job fair"....1993 any foreigners buy your banks lately?


how's that Bank America thing working out?

how's those Royal Banks working out?


wake up AMERICA.


hey pundits, if AMERICANs have historically consumed 70 PerCENT of what the world produces and they stop consuming,


'cause they gots no mone ay! what happens to the world?


can you say, "ash can" three times quickly?


grow up.


Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse


***BOMBSHELL***

Obama attempts to delay withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

See link:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-sought-to-sway-iraqis-on-bush-deal/


Posted by: JPVanderbilt | October 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Execrable politics to use the 'l' word.

Posted by: rupertornelius | October 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

They've been talking about Ayers for weeks now. And what has happened in the polls? Obama is now even farther in front. Do they really think that beating the American people over the head with a false, meaningless non-issue is going to make people vote for John McCain?

Earth to Republicans: things are bad out there. Compared to the economic meltdown, former domestic terrorists aren't really that scary.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | October 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Acts of a desparate man. (You betcha!)

Posted by: steeleswitters | October 10, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

so uh....help me out here....


wouldn't money laundering outfits be pushing subprime to feed the demand for money that wasn't looked at too hard? Word goes out, "just get a mortgage sold....we got backers...."


when I was in D.C. the drug mafia was making loans at Hotel in Tysons Corner, Virginia at a really good rate, sort of like a "job fair"....1993 any foreigners buy your banks lately?


how's that Bank America thing working out?

how's those Royal Banks working out?


wake up AMERICA.


hey pundits, if AMERICANs have historically consumed 70 PerCENT of what the world produces and they stop consuming,


'cause they gots no mone ay! what happens to the world?


can you say, "ash can" three times quickly?


grow up.


Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The neocons know very well that unless they control the White House most of them will spend the rest of their lives in jail. Therefore they will do anything and everything to prevent Obama from being elected. It is not that Obama will put them in jail, the American Judicial process will but if a Republican is in the White House Justice will be obstructed, at least, if not handcuffed.

Posted by: luispanagi | October 10, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Ever notice that when ever anybody says anything negative about Obama, it's just a smear?

Maybe it's just a negative that should be considered, and not just dismissed as a smear because it is a negative?

Hmmm?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

October 10, 2008

My friend, Sen. McCain,

Over the past few weeks, you keep mentioning Sen. Obama's associations with the former Underground Weatherman, turned educator, Ayers. You have also let your running mate Gov. Palin interject the names of Rev. Wright and Rezko in to the mix. By doing so you imply that, these three characters played a significant role in shaping his views. Now your party has an AD out doing the same. Here's a couple of points I feel you need to answer in order for me to accept your view.

1. Sen. Obama is 47 years old, and he has come in contact with and associated with 1,000's of people. Do you have anyone of them out saying he has espoused the views you are trying to paint him with? If not, who exactly does he mention when he tries to explain who shaped his thinking? A few I keep hearing are his mother, his grandparents, his wife and Abe Lincoln. Have any of these characters been linked to any violence against America?

2. Obama has made no judgment based on the actions Ayers took in the 60's. He hasn't been linked to bombings has he? Is the only connection you can make the fact that Ayers was protesting the Vietnam War and Obama spoke against the Iraqi one? Is that what you mean by association?

3. Rev. Wright has been caught on tape saying that the chickens had come home to roost, in the U.S. after 9/11, basically blaming America for the attacks; have you any evidence that Obama has taken this view and expanded on it? And other than accusing him of not wearing a flag pin (something most of us don't do) what actions has Obama taken that is a direct assault on America? Wright's sermon condemning America set some on fire with hatred against the man
and his church. Do you have any evidence to suggest Wright’s words set Obama or his fellow congregates on fire with the same vitriol? Were there any bombings or shootings linked to any of Wright’s sermons? If not can you even recite, one statement Obama has made that reflected any hatred for America?

4. Rezko stood trial and was convicted. But during that trial not one link was ever made to him and Obama for what Rezko was convicted of? However, McCain weren’t you factually linked to some nefarious people during the Keating 5 scandal? And were not some of them convicted? But you were never charged with any wrong doing? Your ties involved the American people and millions of dollars. Obama’s involved him, Rezko and a piece of land measuring the size of a pin head in scope, and didn‘t involve any of us or our money. Given these facts, shouldn’t you now humbly be giving Obama the same leniency you got?

As you can see my friend, when you travel down the path of character assassination you should at least have the facts to back it up, otherwise the only character you’ve destroyed is your own.

Sincerely,
Your friend,
Average Jane

Posted by: AverageJane | October 10, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

let's see who owns the wall street jounal


Rupert Murdoch...

and what does Rupert stand for???? control of the media to act as a propaganda machine

for the elitist class......Rupert was aided in AUSTRALIA by CIA intervention in Australian politics...


anything coming from the Wall Street Journal is suspect at this point....

READ THIS: It's about Robert M. Gates, IRAN - CONTRA FELON and now Secretary of Defense....and propaganda minister for Karl Rove


It is worth recalling the history of the Golden Crescent drug trade, which is intimately related to the CIA's covert operations in the region since the onslaught of the Soviet-Afghan war and its aftermath.

Prior to the Soviet-Afghan war (1979-1989), opium production in Afghanistan and Pakistan was directed to small regional markets. There was no local production of heroin. (Alfred McCoy,

Drug Fallout: the CIA's Forty Year Complicity in the Narcotics Trade.

The Progressive, 1 August 1997).


The Afghan narcotics economy was a carefully designed project of the CIA, supported by US foreign policy.


As revealed in the IRAN-CONTRA and Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) scandals, CIA covert operations in support of the Afghan Mujahideen had been funded through the laundering of drug money. "Dirty money" was recycled --through a number of banking institutions (in the Middle East) as well as through anonymous CIA shell companies--, into "covert money," used to finance various insurgent groups during the Soviet-Afghan war, and its aftermath....AL QUEADA....

The Laundering of Drug Money

The proceeds of the drug trade are deposited in the banking system. Drug money is laundered in the numerous offshore banking havens in Switzerland, Luxembourg, the British Channel Islands, the Cayman Islands and some 50 other locations around the globe. It is here that the criminal syndicates involved in the drug trade and the representatives of the world's largest commercial banks interact. Dirty money is deposited in these offshore havens, which are controlled by the major Western commercial banks. The latter have a vested interest in maintaining and sustaining the drug trade.

Once the money has been laundered, it can be recycled into bona fide investments not only in real estate, hotels, etc, but also in other areas such as the services economy and manufacturing. Dirty and covert money is also funneled into various financial instruments including the trade in derivatives, primary commodities, stocks, and government bonds.

ooooooooooooooooooooooo la la.....

wake up little susie, wake up....


Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

It's all about trust & character ...

Let's see ... a war vet with a lifetime of service to his country (from a family with a history or service), or Obama & his radical 60's terrorist has-been friends (who are now just 60's radicals working from the inside), and a pastor that he listened to for 20 YEARS preaching whitey hate ... 20 YEAR is a long time to not really know somebody.

No-brainer.

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I am glad the Palin-McBush campaign is using the sex-education-to-six-year-olds theme to discredit Obama. If Sor Sarah is elected (to later on go through the beatification process) then American deserves calamities like George W Bush and therefore deserve to be just another one of the banana republics and not the world´s #1 superopower. We are electing a President in 2008 on the basis of themes that were important in the times of the Spanish Inquisition!

Posted by: luispanagi | October 10, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

What we are seeing at this stage of the campaign are a "few dead-enders", who are in their "last throws, if you will" as Don Rumsfeld would say.
It's sad really. I supported McCain in 2000, but he never had a chance with me because of his behavior over the last few years (embracing everything Bush and, of course, his undying support of the war). Nonetheless, I assumed he would run an honorable campaign. I don't think MCCain will look back on this campaign with much pride, nor should he.

Posted by: NMModerate1 | October 10, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

More Fear & Smear tactics can be expected from the McCain campaign. They have no other resources.

In the meantime, Senator Obama and his wife Michelle turn the other cheek in response to the attack-du-jour, trying to keep the focus on substantive issues.

Karl Rove must have been smirking when he got Cindy McCain to say that Obama is running the dirtiest campaign in history. What a joke coming from a drug-addict and adulteress who represents the gutter politics of the neocons.

They ruined America, and now they'll do anything to prevent the Democrats from interfering with their rich and powerful friends.

Posted by: bamccampbell | October 10, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

From today's Wall Street Journal-

October 10, 2008
Obama's Magic
By Kimberley Strassel

And now, America, we introduce the Great Obama! The world's most gifted political magician! A thing of wonder. A thing of awe. Just watch him defy politics, economics, even gravity! (And hold your applause until the end, please.)

To kick off our show tonight, Mr. Obama will give 95% of American working families a tax cut, even though 40% of Americans today don't pay income taxes! How can our star enact such mathemagic? How can he "cut" zero? Abracadabra! It's called a "refundable tax credit." It involves the federal government taking money from those who do pay taxes, and writing checks to those who don't. Yes, yes, in the real world this is known as "welfare," but please try not to ruin the show.

For his next trick, the Great Obama will jumpstart the economy, and he'll do it by raising taxes on the very businesses that are today adrift in a financial tsunami! That will include all those among the top 1% of taxpayers who are in fact small-business owners, and the nation's biggest employers who currently pay some of the highest corporate tax rates in the developed world. Mr. Obama will, with a flick of his fingers, show them how to create more jobs with less money. It's simple, really. He has a wand.

Next up, Mr. Obama will re-regulate the economy, with no ill effects whatsoever! You may have heard that for the past 40 years most politicians believed deregulation was good for the U.S. economy. You might have even heard that much of today's financial mess tracks to loose money policy, or Fannie and Freddie excesses. Our magician will show the fault was instead with our failure to clamp down on innovation and risk-taking, and will fix this with new, all-encompassing rules. Presto!

Did someone in the audience just shout "Sarbanes Oxley?" Usher, can you remove that man? Thank you. Mr. Obama will now demonstrate how he gives Americans the "choice" of a "voluntary" government health plan, designed in such a way as to crowd out the private market and eliminate all other choice! Don't worry people: You won't have to join, until you do. Mr. Obama will follow this with a demonstration of how his plan will differ from our failing Medicare program. Oops, sorry, folks. The Great Obama just reminded me it is time for an intermission. Maybe we'll get to that marvel later.

We're back now. And just watch the Great Obama perform a feat never yet managed in all history. He will create that enormous new government health program, spend billions to transform our energy economy, provide financial assistance to former Soviet satellites, invest in infrastructure, increase education spending, provide job training assistance, and give 95% of Americans a tax (ahem) cut -- all without raising the deficit a single penny! And he'll do it in the middle of a financial crisis. And with falling tax revenues! Voila!

Moving along to a little ventriloquism. Study his mouth carefully, folks: It looks like he's saying "I'll stop the special interests," when in fact the words coming out are "Welcome to Washington, friends!" Wind and solar companies, ethanol makers, tort lawyers, unions, community organizers -- all are welcome to feed at the public trough and to request special favors. From now on "special interests" will only refer to universally despised, if utterly crucial, economic players. Say, oil companies. Hocus Pocus!

And for tonight's finale, the Great Obama will uphold America's "moral" obligation to "stop genocide" by abandoning Iraq! While teleported to the region, he will simultaneously convince Iranian leaders to peacefully abandon their nuclear pursuits (even as he does not sit down with them), fix Afghanistan with a strategy that does not resemble the Iraqi surge, and (drumroll!) pull Osama bin Laden out of his hat!

Tada!

You can clap now. (Applause. Cheers.) We'd like to thank a few people in the audience. Namely, Republican presidential nominee John McCain, who has so admirably restrained himself from running up on stage to debunk any of these illusions and spoil everyone's fun.

We know he's in a bit of a box, having initially blamed today's financial crisis on corporate "greed," and thus made it that much harder to call for a corporate tax cut, or warn against excessive regulation. Still, there were some pretty big openings up here this evening, and he let them alone! We'd also like to thank Mr. McCain for keeping all the focus on himself these past weeks. It has helped the Great Obama to just get on with the show.

As for that show, we'd love to invite you all back for next week's performance, when the Great Obama will thrill with new, amazing exploits. He will respect your Second Amendment rights even as he regulates firearms! He will renegotiate Nafta, even as he supports free trade! He will.

Ms. Strassel is a member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial board

Posted by: thecannula | October 10, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama's race isn't the problem - it's his Empty Suit and inability to say 'no' to government spending.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 10, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Irony Does Reveal Truth This Article was published on Sept 11 a few hours before the attacks.


THE QUESTION IS OBAMA'S JUDGEMENT WHEN OBAMA WAS IN HIS 30s WHY DID OBAMA CHOOSE TO BE THIS PERSON'S FRIEND WHEN OBAMA WAS AN ADULT ??


IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA WHEN HE WAS 8 YEARS OLD.


OBAMA HAS BEEN LYING ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH AYERS - CLINTON WAS A LIAR TOO. (CONVICTED LIAR)


No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen


By DINITIA SMITH
Published: September 11, 2001

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.

The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction.

He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

''Is this, then, the truth?,'' he writes. ''Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.''
But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

''Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory,'' he answered. ''It's true as I remember it.''

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''

He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.'s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her ''the most dangerous woman in America'' and ''la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.'' Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.

In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a ''whirlpool of violence.''

''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ''Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon -- we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.'' He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.

Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes, and also helped spring Timothy Leary (sentenced on marijuana charges) from jail.

Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 10, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

G. Gordon Liddy, why don't we ask McCain about his support from this domestic terrorist? Ayers does not have a radio show. McCain has been on Liddy's show
several times. palin's connewction to the
anti-american movement in Alaska needs to be talked about too. What a dubble standard.
McCain has sold out to the neo-con brown shirts.

Posted by: mfrede | October 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

You know, there has been a lot of back-and-forth about whether McCain's messages have been "dog whistle" noises. Personally, I didn't think the "that one" comment was necessarily racist, but then again, I'm white and don't presume to judge what might be heard by African-Americans or what might be offensive to them.

But I _do_ think the "Blind Ambition" bumper at the beginning of the McCain ad may be trying to play to a certain group who thinks it's fine and admirable for a white guy to be ambitious, while it's somehow scary to ponder the notion of an ambitious Black guy. (Who-does-he-think-he-is sort of thing...)

Posted by: amylooo | October 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

It is worth recalling the history of the Golden Crescent drug trade, which is intimately related to the CIA's covert operations in the region since the onslaught of the Soviet-Afghan war and its aftermath.
Prior to the Soviet-Afghan war (1979-1989), opium production in Afghanistan and Pakistan was directed to small regional markets. There was no local production of heroin. (Alfred McCoy, Drug Fallout: the CIA's Forty Year Complicity in the Narcotics Trade. The Progressive, 1 August 1997).
The Afghan narcotics economy was a carefully designed project of the CIA, supported by US foreign policy.
As revealed in the Iran-Contra and Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) scandals, CIA covert operations in support of the Afghan Mujahideen had been funded through the laundering of drug money. "Dirty money" was recycled --through a number of banking institutions (in the Middle East) as well as through anonymous CIA shell companies--, into "covert money," used to finance various insurgent groups during the Soviet-Afghan war, and its aftermath....al queada....

The Laundering of Drug Money

The proceeds of the drug trade are deposited in the banking system. Drug money is laundered in the numerous offshore banking havens in Switzerland, Luxembourg, the British Channel Islands, the Cayman Islands and some 50 other locations around the globe. It is here that the criminal syndicates involved in the drug trade and the representatives of the world's largest commercial banks interact. Dirty money is deposited in these offshore havens, which are controlled by the major Western commercial banks. The latter have a vested interest in maintaining and sustaining the drug trade.

Once the money has been laundered, it can be recycled into bona fide investments not only in real estate, hotels, etc, but also in other areas such as the services economy and manufacturing. Dirty and covert money is also funneled into various financial instruments including the trade in derivatives, primary commodities, stocks, and government bonds.

oooooooooooooooooooooo la la

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Domestic terrorism comes from a PRESIDENT who wanted top give my Social Security paycheck to the guys of Lehman Brothers. I was terrorized by that!

Posted by: luispanagi | October 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

so uh....help me out here....


wouldn't money laundering outfits be pushing subprime to feed the demand for money that wasn't looked at too hard? Word goes out, "just get a mortgage sold....we got backers...."


when I was in D.C. the drug mafia was making loans at Hotel in Tysons Corner, Virginia at a really good rate, sort of like a "job fair"....1993 any foreigners buy your banks lately?


how's that Bank America thing working out?

how's those Royal Banks working out?


wake up AMERICA.


hey pundits, if AMERICANs have historically consumed 70 PerCENT of what the world produces and they stop consuming,


'cause they gots no mone ay! what happens to the world?


can you say, "ash can" three times quickly?


grow up.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Domestic terrorism comes from a resident who wanted top give my Social Security paycheck to the guys of Lehman Brothers. I was terrorized by that!

Posted by: luispanagi | October 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

LeftCoasterInIowa,

What is appaling is the media giving a pass to Obama's radical associations just beacause he's "their guy".

Maybe Katie Couric will ask some probing questions with several follow-ups about them? Nah ... he's the Messiah!

Just ask Louis Farrakan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

FANNIE MAE, and FREDDIE MAC


guarantee MORTGAGE POOLS and individual loans.....they don't make loans, nor do they encourage low income mortgages....


they are PRESSURED TO GUARANTEE THEM by corrupt banking officials...


they are also both backed by $800 BILLION DOLLARS worth of stocks and other financial instruments....


the culprits for the current fiasco? stupid BORN_rich people that have no experience with anything but influence peddling, bid rigging, price fixing, and using electoral fraud to get a hold of the government...

whoever has gotten a non compete bid from the first 6 years of the bush administration.

whoever paid Niel, George W., Jeb and George H.W.'s way through life....SAND BROTHERS in UAE, Kuwiat, Saudi

it's all a matter of record....you can attach their family holdings and anyone associated with them....

think UAE has some money? think the bushes would use it to manipulate markets????

please, SEARCH on George W. Bush, Victor Ashe, Jeff Gannon


see what they do that you don't know about.


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

A Democrat in the WH and Democrats controlling both houses of Congress is much more FRIGHTENING in terms of government spending, than a Democratic-controlled Congress with a Republican in the WH who DOES want to cut out pork and over-spending.

McCain WILL VETO such pork-stuffed bills - Obama WILL NOT! Obama has NEVER stood up to the Dems.

And during the last debate, Obama couldn't cite one program he'd cut or decrease!
Scary!

Dems for McCain/Palin


Posted by: angie12106 | October 10, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I was a big McCain supporter in NH in 2000. I have no idea what happened to him; he is not the same McCain anymore. He's running the most disgusting campaign I've ever seen.
How desperate and pathetic. He's lost the respect of a lot of people in this country. He's going to have a tough time when he gets back to his senate job.

Posted by: jasperanselm | October 10, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

what's wrong with the country and the elitist government????


they enacted a _P_L_A_N_N_E_D_ rigging of a game,


the financial market place

that PRIVATIZES PROFIT


while SOCAILIZES RISK....

_they_ the filthy rich screw up YOU pay for it

you screw up you pay for that too....


there's no risk to them, and no investment in making sure that your lives turn out okay....

but YOU THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THEM from the get go...


their risks are SOCIALIZED....part of our GOVERNMENT PAYOUT...


how do you feel about those non-compete bids for HALLIBURTON and CARLYLE GROUP


AMERICA????


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

The real pandora's box that McSame and Satan have opened is the anger of closeted racists who will not allow the election not to go their way. Very scary.

Posted by: logicaldog1 | October 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

With our economy in the dumps, a public ad linking Mccain to the Keating5 would be easily understood by voters across America. McCain's friends were the Keating 5 and McCain was "reprimanded" for using bad judgment by the senate. Bad judgment in a financial fiasco a few years ago could have a big negative effect with voters today. Then of course an ad or two with McCain & Liddy ....and so on and so forth. Perhaps an ad showing an anti-Obama rally with the words "kill him" heard could also be heard. The ability for Obama's camp to fight fire with fire is there. The question is....will they use the ammo McCain's camp has willingly provided?

Posted by: leah1946 | October 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Its the ECONOMY, stupid.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Please protect Obama! People are going balistic and I fear for his safety. McCain looked a bit distainful at his rally where radicals shouted racial epathetics......I only wish he had stayed the real "maverick" he was in 2000. I liked THAT man. He's sold his soul, thereby selling the country.

Go Obama!

Posted by: pegwelch | October 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Repubs continue to re-enact Sherman's March. Equally self-destructive, equally immoral, equally desperate.

And equally a failure.

The Repubs, just like the Confederate South, will fall to the man from Illinois. McCain playing a befuddled Lee; Palin, a nasty Scarlett.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 10, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama sued Citibank to force them to make BAD LOANS for ACORN members!!

http://www.mediacircus.com/2008/10/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans

Hey - don't look for this to be published at WaPo and aired on Obamedia.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 10, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

There is only one way to say this: John McCain is Dangerous. He continues to defy reason and logic with his temperament - is this the man we want to lead the free world? ...............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/10/john-mccain-is-dangerous/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 10, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

billbolducinmaine, you are one of the worst offenders because I've seen your postings in the PPH. So don't be fingerpointing at the Dems. The racist Republican rant is appalling.

another Mainer\

Posted by: itsagreatday1 | October 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Obama claimed he "barely knew" Rezko, but then we learned Rezko was on his 2004 Senate campaign Finance Committee.

Obama claimed he "barely knew" Ayers, but he wrote in Ayers book.

This goes straight to Obama's CHARACTER - and LYING isn't a good character trait.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"Oct. 07, 2008 | "My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand."

This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that's the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. ("Keep up the good work," Palin told AIP members. "And God bless you.")" (david talbot, Salon)

Now, who's the terrorist?

Posted by: jmp66 | October 10, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

It is strange to see the McCain-Palin ticket spending so much time looking back. I thought they were the 'look forward' ticket. Perhaps they've found that people are tired of their party's ideas.

Or, as George Will put it yesterday, "Is this all you've got?"

How pitiful.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 10, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

you want to fix the economy???


make it a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.....and messing with it treason.


stop outsourcing yesterday, bring customer service jobs in_country immediately....if it's a federal mandate for _all_ it'll be managed...


fix the infrastructure. make cities safe and livable, discourage driving by encouraging telecommuting

I could come up with 25 things that would generate GDP and REAL PRODUCT in_country in two weeks....


but then I'm not a corrupt government bush family member trying to scam you....I am an engineer

and I KNOW how things work.....I don't sell you propaganda as fact and make you stupid with incorrect premise and information.


.

Posted by: tesser_actsoflove1 | October 10, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

George W Bush has been the worst - by far - President in U S history. Mccain is - also by far - the worst candidate ever.

Posted by: luispanagi | October 10, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Party should ask McCain to relinquish the nomination and nominate Dick Cheney instead.

Posted by: luispanagi | October 10, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Let us be clear...very clear...

WHERE DOES DOMESTIC TERRORISM COME FROM PREDOMINANTLY?

Let us be clear

the AIP Vogler thing is important because

in the face of our country imploding

Palin wants to incite those same values at her rally's

America should be throwing up with such disgust.


seems Palin was only governor for 19 months ....and in 19 months she already has an ethics investigation

you know the one announced today

Be very clear


what her support and todd's support for Vogler and AIP means...


as our country goes fown the tubes over the last week

Palin incites her crowds with accusations and incendiary comments

ignoring the economy...

for inciting these values

those people screaming hateful things look familiar?

where do you think the bulk of domestic terrorism comes from?

Does the name McVeigh ring a bell.

do you not see the values she is inciting...the same ones that someone who would back up Joe Voglers party would have.

the same ones that McVeigh had...

the same ones that someone yelling those "killem" "ni@#$er" "terrorist" "hang em" "boy" etc etc...

would scream at a rally.

Let us be clear where domestic terrorism comes from...

the AIP Vogler thing is important

in the face of our country imploding

Palin wants to incite those same values at her rally's

America should be throwing up with such disgust.

Posted by: klondike2 | October 10, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The hate-mongering is appalling. I honestly fear for Obama's safety.

Posted by: LeftCoasterInIowa | October 10, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

billbolducinmaine:

If you are really disgusted by 'hateful speech', you should cruise around these message boards and see the kinds of things Democrats say. It would embarass you...

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

educate yourself.

Farrakhan speaks about Obama, just realeased today

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 10, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

That the McCain camp is morally and politically bankrupt is something we all know. But so were other parties that employed similar tactics in the 1930s.

Posted by: dane1 | October 10, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I am sick & tired of people defending Obama's long list of radical associations. Just because it is bad for Obama to have these associations come out, does not make them "just smears".

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I watched clips of a McCain-Palin rally on CNN last night and I was disgusted and angry. Incendiary remarks were shouted by angry and probably racist audience members demanding that McCain nail Obama. The tone and rhetoric was frightening. At other Palin rallies, people have shouted "kill 'em" (in reference to Obama) while at a McCain rally, someone shouted that Obama is a terrorist. In all of the cases, McCain and Palin did nothing to quell the hate speak. The silence of McCain and Palin is deafening and indirectly condones violence by not speaking against it. All it takes is one wingnut with a gun and McCain and Palin will have blood on their hands. Think about it. McCain and Palin have become desperate and despicable.

Posted by: billbolducinmaine | October 10, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse
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Mccain is no longer in charge of anything.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 10, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Check out this video of the hate speech going on at McCain/Palin rallies.

http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccain-racist-rally-goers-pt-2.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 10, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Can we all just hibernate for the next 3-4 weeks? Wake me when this crap is over and Obama has 350 or so electoral votes, I don't have the heart to allow myself to be more disgusted.

Posted by: jameslayman | October 10, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I watched clips of a McCain-Palin rally on CNN last night and I was disgusted and angry. Incendiary remarks were shouted by angry and probably racist audience members demanding that McCain nail Obama. The tone and rhetoric was frightening. At other Palin rallies, people have shouted "kill 'em" (in reference to Obama) while at a McCain rally, someone shouted that Obama is a terrorist. In all of the cases, McCain and Palin did nothing to quell the hate speak. The silence of McCain and Palin is deafening and indirectly condones violence by not speaking against it. All it takes is one wingnut with a gun and McCain and Palin will have blood on their hands. Think about it. McCain and Palin have become desperate and despicable.

Posted by: billbolducinmaine | October 10, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

If the main street media is spending so much time discussing Bill Ayers association to Barack Obama, why then will they not spend equal time exploring and discussing Sarah Palin's involvement with the Alaska Independence Party which her husband has been a member for 7 years. Taken from an article by Robert F Kennedy:

"Palin, it could be argued, following her own logic, thinks so little of America's perfection that she continues to "pal around" with a man--her husband, actually--who only recently terminated his seven-year membership in the Alaskan Independence Party. Putting plunder above patriotism, the members of this treasonous cabal aim to break our country into pieces and walk away with Alaska's rich federal oil fields and one-fifth of America's land base--an area three-fourths the size of the Civil War Confederacy."

The founder of the AIP made these comments about America. "I've Got No Use for America or Her Damned Institutions"

The public is really disgusted by these one sided depictions. Cover Ayers if you must, but then tell what is on the other side as well. That's only professional journalism.

Posted by: nerakami | October 10, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should only talk about Obama's positives ... that should help McCain.

Maybe McCain should come out with a video that praises Obama?

Do not look at the man behind the curtain, or it's a smear?

Posted by: DSM_CAL | October 10, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Let the mudballs fly then! For each negative association the McCain camp can uncover, the Obama camp can match. Keating? AIP? Troopergate? US Council for World Freedom? Not sure what any of the mudflinging will do except alienate voters.

Posted by: RickJ | October 10, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
This hasn't worked for months, and while it might fire up the base, the undecideds see this as MCAIN'S ambition trumping whether or not he hears/sees their concerns, which at the moment happen to be the dismal economy.
And the bad economy, brought on by the Repubs laissez-faire policies are reaping what you sow.
So, to John McCain: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... KEEP RUNNING THESE ADS!
We Democrats are delighted you're telling the American public that you don't care about their concerns and that they should care about your concern (which is getting elected).

Posted by: kiernanje | October 10, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

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