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McCain Reverts to Tax Attack

In politics, the more things change the more they stay the same.

With less than seven weeks remaining before the November presidential election, John McCain is turning to a tried and true tactic: attacking Barack Obama as a serial tax raiser who favors a "massive government".

McCain makes the case in a new ad released this morning:

"Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government," insists the ad's narrator, adding that the Illinois senator favors "billions in spending increases" including "painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil."

"Can your family afford that?" the narrator asks at the commercial's close.

McCain's campaign is also held a conference call today focused on the economy with the stated purpose of exploring Obama's "claims that paying higher taxes is 'patriotic'".

On that call, McCain senior policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin alleged that Obama has voted to raise taxes 94 times in the U.S. Senate and had proposed more than $800 billion in additional spending during the presidential campaign. "He has no credibility in his promises," insisted Holtz-Eakin.

The tax attack is not only rooted in decades of successful Republican campaigns -- from the statehouse to the White House -- but also backed by polling that seems to show people believe Obama would raise their taxes.

In the Washington Post/ABC News poll conducted earlier this month, more than half of those tested (51 percent) said that if Obama was elected federal taxes would go up; compare that to the 34 percent who said taxes would go up in a McCain Administration. The New York Times/CBS News poll released last night echoed the findings of the Post survey. Forty-nine percent said they believed their taxes would go up if Obama was elected president while 34 percent said their taxes would rise if McCain wins in November.

Given those gaps, it's easy to see why McCain is focusing on the issue in the final weeks of the race. As we have written many times before, successful political strategies are almost always rooted in playing on the preconceived notions about the two parties.

For Republicans, that means portraying Democrats as advocates of a nanny government that is involved in every part of your life and is funded by huge tax increases that take money from your pocket.

For Democrats, it's casting Republicans as favoring a go-it-alone, every-man-for-himself attitude and driving that message home specifically on domestic issues like health care and the economy.

The reality of the two candidates' economic plans then is secondary to the preconceived notions voters bring to the issues. (Again, we aren't saying this is the "right" way for politics to operate, merely acknowledging that it is the way politics works. Looking for a good, objective breakdown of what the McCain and Obama tax plans mean to you? CNN does it well.)

The big unknown when it comes to the tax question in this election is whether Obama's bet that people are, at their core, sick and tired of politics as usual is the right one. Obama has centered his campaign around the idea that the GOP attacks against Democrats that worked in the past won't work this time around due to the damage done to the Republican brand by President George W. Bush.

If Obama is right, McCain's attacks will fall on deaf ears as people will no longer see Republicans as credible messengers on the economy and taxes. That, in a nutshell, is what happened in the 2006 midterm elections when Republican candidates realized too late that casting their opponents as tax-and-spend liberals was not enough to win races.

Have things changed in the intervening two years? We'll know the answer to that question in 47 days.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 18, 2008; 11:23 AM ET
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Just a little backup information to throw into the mix!

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

Posted by: DA | September 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

BETTER OFF OR WORSE OFF AFTER 8 YEARS?Y EVERYONE KNOWS THE ANSWER.MORE OF THE SAME NEXT 4 YEARS? AMERICANS WILL USE THEIR HEADS THIS TIME ROUND WHEN THE VOTE.JUST LOOK AT THE MESS THE ECONOMY IS NOW IN.

James

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

37th & O (aka Anonymous): Please stop plastering your blog all over this site. Do you think you're another Hugh Hefner or something? Also I notice you didn't include an article on McCain:

http://www.alternet.org/election08/99663/republicans_allege_mccain_covered_up_his_collaboration_with_the_north_vietnamese_while_a_pow/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse


Why does The Post allow these rude, hillbillies with nothing to say scream impolitely with all capital posts? Volume does not make a valid discussion or prove any point.

Posted by: uffdaron | September 20, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The financial bailout will cost over a trillion dollars. The Iraq war will cost over a trillion dollars. Whoever is president will be forced to raise taxes. America is technically bankrupt. Don't vote for anyone that says they won't raise taxes, they are obviously lying. Control your government or it will control you.

Posted by: Ray | September 19, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience

Her Ghetto credentials would include lips that belong on a #2 treble hook, flaring nostrils and hips a water buffalo would be proud of.
_________________________________________

Well now that BO's Conscience has given us the white southern Evangelical view. Thanks for fessing up!

Posted by: Rick W | September 19, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: WillNotBeFooledByObamaNATION | September 19, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break. McCain and Bush have lead the largest increase in the size of the US government ever. Ironically the previous record was held by Ronald Reagan which you wouldnt know from all the GOP crowing.

The GOP gets in power and the giveaways start. There is so much Bush fatigue in the country that even the fact he has funneled BILLIONS to his big oil and defense cronies with no bid contracts doesnt even register.

The GOP loves to thrash the Democrats promise of national health care. I would rather see BILLIONS spent here at home to help Americans, instead of giveaways to Wall Street and Big Oil and Halliburton and Blackwater..etc etc etc. The GOP does not care one whit for the needs of middle America.

Posted by: Cal | September 19, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: Barbara | September 19, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

It is true, as you mentioned in this post, that voters often have preconceived notions, or frames, about a candidate’s tax plans that often take precedence over the real issues. But it’s not just the Republicans and the Democrats that are casting each other in unfavorable light. It’s also the media who are adding fuel to the fire by often playing into these preconceived notions.

Many times, the media will pick one sentence from a candidate’s speech and broadcast that blurb as the most important part of the speech. This happened just recently to both parties regarding issues about the economy and taxes—when McCain made the statement that the “fundamentals of our economy are strong,” and when Biden called for wealthier Americans to be “patriotic” and give back to America. The media has told us the candidates have such different policies on taxes that our choice should be clear and easy to make. But when viewers aren’t always shown the full plan of each candidate, the choice isn’t so easy.

According to an analysis of the presidential candidates’ tax plans from the Tax Policy Center, both candidates have plans that would increase the national debt during the next ten years—not really a big plus for either candidate. I spoke with Ben Harris, a senior research associate at the Brookings Institution and the Tax Policy Center who filled me in on a couple other similarities between the two tax plans. Both candidates plan to extend the Bush tax cuts. McCain wants to extend them for everyone, while Obama wants to extend them for everyone making less than $250,000. He also said both candidates want to try to resolve problems in our health care in part through changes in the tax code.

If McCain is being called out for “attacking” Obama’s tax plans, it should be noted that Obama has also attacked McCain’s tax plan in the past. Back in June, Obama spoke in Wisconsin behind a podium that read “Tax Relief for the Middle Class” as he told the audience, “People making more than $2.8 million—that’s where John McCain wants to focus his tax relief.” He failed to mention that McCain’s plan would actually cause taxpayers in every income group to see a lower tax bill.

Posted by: Sharon | September 19, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was raised up by God to be nominated as the next vice president.
Surely if God could take a shepherd boy named David and make him king of Israel, He can surely can give her the wisdom and the ability to be vice president. People forget that a president has a cabinet with people to help rule that are given wisdom to them by God. Furthermore she was also raised up by God to speak out against abortion which is one of the greatest sins of the US. Many men in office had the opportunity to speak out against abortion but did not. A baby is made in the image of God and abortion is destroying that one made in the image of God. Just because the US laws says abortion is legal does not make it legal in the sight of God. The US is being judged by God for this sin of murdering innocent babies. I wonder how many people who are pro-choice would have wanted their mother to have aborted them. I would think not many yes to that question. Faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ is the only hope for all people in regards to the judgment of sin that must be dealt with to be able to enter into Heaven. Aborted babies are issued directly into Heaven for they are not able to hear the gospel of the Jesus Christ but are covered by His shed blood on the cross. Because of God's mercy, grace and love for those created in His image, helpless aborted babies are saved into heaven.


Posted by: Kenny Hott

Kenny: Just how does this relate to the questions raised in this chain regarding the economic train wreck the country is experiencing? I rather think it doesn't.

Try next time to read the article before getting up on that oh so holy soap box your on.......Thatsnuts

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I no longer beleive McCain would be a second term of Bush. I think he would be a second term of Hoover.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091900620.html?hpid=topnews

This is simple. All the Obama campaign needs to do is create and extensively run a commercial that concisely details Depression era financial safety valves the the Democrats created so many decades ago. The commercial can then contrast everything McCain has personally done to undo these safeties. Next, we flash to the current financial crisis and demonstrate how regulators have saved the economy by abandoning their McCain-Bush hand's off approach in favor of the tools put in place by the Democrats.

They don't build 'em like they used to... Give me some more of that New Deal magic baby!

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Obama has a huge plan for the economy and it is simply END THE WAR!!! we spend billions on the war a day if the war ends that gives us 365 billion extra at the end of one year!!! he also plans on giving American citizens a $500 rebate from oil compaines and to create 5 million green jobs for americans so it would seem he knows what needs to be done
ps what has McCain done that makes you think he would fix the economy because i have seen nothing!!!

Posted by: BigJoe75 | September 19, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government," insists the ad's narrator, adding that the Illinois senator favors "billions in spending increases" including "painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil."

But McConfused endorsed the AIG bailout yersterday (while claiming he "didn't like it.....whatever that means).

He'll occupy Iraq for 100 years if necessary and extend all of Bush's tax cuts. How does he pay for it all ? Just like his mentor GW, borrow the money from the Chinese and the OPEC countries.

Now there's a plan for long term financial stability !

We've had nothing but tax cuts on income and stock dividends for nearly eight years now. Menawhile the unemployment rate, 4.1% when Bush took office, is now at 6.2%. What happened ?

McCain's plan, tell voters they can have it all now, tax cuts, Iraqi war (maybe another with Iran) no sacrifice and no financial discipline.

Posted by: MA | September 19, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

> PRES. CLINTON/DEMOCRATS HAD NO REGULATIONS DURING THE 90'S WHICH CAUSED MANY INTERNET COMPANIES TO GO BANKRUPT.

Didn't a lot of businesses ( and Internet Co.) go bankrupt because of lax (or NO) corporate regulation during Pres. Clinton/Democrat rule. So, how could Sen. Obama/Dem. call the Rep. stink when the same exact thing happened to them during the Clinton/Dem. rule.

> SEN. OBAMA HAS NO SOLUTION TO ECONOMIC PROBLEMS!

I watch Sen. Obama speech about fixing economy. Frankly, he has no solution. He babbles on and on about Rep. cause recession; therefore, Sen. McCain is responsible for making companies bankrupt, and Americans should remove all Rep. and place him in charge. However, he does not have an intelligent solution which will solve our problem. His energy proposal stinks, his wealth shifting tax policy stinks, and he has no economic exp.; but most importantly, he does not have a specific fix for bad corporate practices and regulation.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

WE FINALLY SEEN WHY THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN DON'T LET PALIN SPEAK TO REPORTERS. HER TOWN HALL MEETING WAS A DISASTER. SHE WAS LOST OF WORDS, REPEATED HERSELF ABOUT BEING READY TO SERVE AND BEING READY AND CONFIDENT TO SERVE. SHE DIDN'T TELL WHAT MADE HER SO CONFIDENT OR READY. PALIN IS NOT READY EVEN TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR WHAT TO SAY WHEN QUESTION. HOW IS SHE READY TO BE VP OR PRESIDENT? THIS MUST BE A JOKE FROM THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN. I'M STILL WAITING FOR MCCAIN TO MAKE HIS VP PICK BECAUSE PALIN CAN'T POSSIBLY BE IT. THIS IS DEFINATELY A POOR JUDGEMENT CALL FOR MCCAIN. WATCH FOR YOURSELVES. DO YOU THINK THIS IS A PERSON READY TO BE COMMANDER AND CHIEF?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ8QDea5Jaw

Posted by: LINDA | September 19, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

McCain is a pathological liar, and lately I'm starting to think he is schizophrenic as well. He can't quite figure out who the he-- he is, and frankly, I don't want surprises from a president.

The latest series of escapades as a result of Bush/McCain failed policies are a sample of "Privatize the profits, socialize the losses" - Randi Rhodes-

Posted by: Sandra S | September 19, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

My greatest wish at this time is to let current McCain voters to know that if we have a Republican controlled White House in these crucial next four years and if a disaster strikes whether they be a hurricane or a pole shift, that they will make Hurricane Katrina look like nothing compared to how they would treat humans during the pole shift and after. Absolutely no aid but declaring martial law for each state or country hard hit by the shift which translates into giving up our guns for protection and a police state. The slow response from the government surrounding Hurricane Katrina was their attempt to declare martial law in New Orleans and 'take over' the state. Harmful thoughts was their primary focus.

If the Republicans can't declare martial law by their wish of a next terrorist attack (terror-wish) they will certainly declare martial law after the pole shift. This I worry greatly. Humans, primarily in the unconcious has the desire to support the dark agenda and feel that an experienced, stubborn, and violent candidate is 'suitable' for the job because they feel this is what defines politicians and needs a bully to feel safe from threats from other countries. People are forgetting that Republicans also consider citizens to be terrorists as well. Many McCain voters thinks that they would be safe from a McCain administration and yet this is actually the exact opposite in reality of their intention. Bush Administration wouldn't have proposed deadly chemtrails nor the deadly viruses which were all intended secretly against the human species.
West Nile virus and the Ebola virus and their source comes from a
field office of the CIA! Do the research.
I'm looking forward to aiding many after the pole shift and hopefully many will too.

Also..

REPUBLICANS HAVE A PLAN TO KILL ANY REMAINING HUMANS IN THE AFTERLIFE OR POLESHIFT

SO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE POLE SHIFT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTS TENURE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS WONDER WHY REPUBLICANS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN WANTING TO CONTINUE
AND EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM? TO SAVE US FROM TERRORITS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT TO TAKE CONTROL IN THE AFTERLIFE AND LOOK TO REMOVE ANYONE THREATENING THEM WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS.

REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT U.S. CITIZENS ARE THE TERRORISTS AND THAT THE TERRORISTS THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS BELIEVE IN ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THUS REPUBLICANS ARE A FRIEND TO TERRORISTS WHICH MEANS ONLY ONE THING. YOU ARE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST TO THEM BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEM AFTER THE POLESHIFT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT MATTERS NOT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONTINUTING TO EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POTENTIAL THREATS ON U.S. SOIL WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS. I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS DURING AND AFTER THE POLESHIFT ASSURES YOUR DEATH AND THESE COWARDS GOING TO THEIR BUNKERS WHILE ALL OF YOU SUFFER FROM STARVATION OR FROM DEHYDRATION. OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE COMING POLE SHIFT, HE JUST HEARD RUMORS AND I'M SURE THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BETTER HIMSELF AFTER THE POLE SHIFT BUT TO ONLY AID AND ASSIST THOSE IN NEED.

MCCAIN KNOWS OF THE COMING POLE SHIFT AND THIS MEANS TROUBLE. ITS FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN THIS NOVEMBER BUT THEN THEY INTEND YOUR DEATH AFTER THE POLE SHIFT FOR THOSE REMAINING THAT STILL SURVIVED.
I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. FOR MY FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY'S SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR THESE TWO FACE
IDIOTS. OBAMA IN MY DREAM WAS SHOWN AS A COMPASSIONATE MAN WHO LOOKED TO AID THOSE IN TROUBLE. THIS IS NO LIE.. AND IM NOT SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO ME IN MY DREAM.

HAS ANY OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES LIKE THIS IN THEIR DREAMS?

Posted by: Matt Steinberg PhD in Psychology | September 19, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Another way to look at taxes is if I pay 50% in taxes then I effectivley have to work 6 months of the year for the Federal Govt not sure that is how the Founding Fathers envisioned it. Even a middle class person paying in the 26 to 30% range would be working 4 months of the year for the Fed Govt.

Posted by: Leed | September 19, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

In 2000 John McCain learned a valuable lesson. Tell the truth and lose elections. He learned that the biggest liars usually win elections. You first call your opponents "liberal" and make it sound like "child molester." Once that takes hold you tell the crowds that your opponent will tax them and tax them and tax them. You say so even though your opponent has said that he will lower taxes. People usually vote their pocket book so if you tell the same lies over and over, you will probably win. Once you are in office you give tax cuts to your rich friends and tell the rest of us to go to hell. In Bush his case the people actually were dumb enough to re-elect the biggest liar ever. Can you blame McCain for following the same formula? It's up to us to see him for what he is, a chronic, pathological liar!!

Posted by: Opa | September 19, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of the right wing sicko slimeballs that post their hate speech and sick sexual fantasies on these sites. I don't know if these blogs are moderated, but I would recommend that you check the site more closely. There are some posters on this board that belong in a jail cell - they are chicken sh-- little bullies who are case studies for Law and Order - the dregs of human society that truly belong in a garbage pail.

Posted by: Sandra S | September 19, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

If McCain and Palin start offering KOOL-AID, I sure hope the American people are smart enough not to drink it!

Posted by: Tre | September 19, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that the liberal media calls issue ads on the Republican side "Attack" and for Obama it is something softer like "Obama unleashes tough red meat ad". The bias is blaring.

Posted by: n8whit | September 19, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

My greatest wish at this time is to let current McCain voters to know that if we have a Republican controlled White House in these crucial next four years and if a disaster strikes whether they be a hurricane or a pole shift, that they will make Hurricane Katrina look like nothing compared to how they would treat humans during the pole shift and after. Absolutely no aid but declaring martial law for each state or country hard hit by the shift which translates into giving up our guns for protection and a police state. The slow response from the government surrounding Hurricane Katrina was their attempt to declare martial law in New Orleans and 'take over' the state. Harmful thoughts was their primary focus.

If the Republicans can't declare martial law by their wish of a next terrorist attack (terror-wish) they will certainly declare martial law after the pole shift. This I worry greatly. Humans, primarily in the unconcious has the desire to support the dark agenda and feel that an experienced, stubborn, and violent candidate is 'suitable' for the job because they feel this is what defines politicians and needs a bully to feel safe from threats from other countries. People are forgetting that Republicans also consider citizens to be terrorists as well. Many McCain voters thinks that they would be safe from a McCain administration and yet this is actually the exact opposite in reality of their intention. Bush Administration wouldn't have proposed deadly chemtrails nor the deadly viruses which were all intended secretly against the human species.
West Nile virus and the Ebola virus and their source comes from a
field office of the CIA! Do the research.
I'm looking forward to aiding many after the pole shift and hopefully many will too.

Also..

REPUBLICANS HAVE A PLAN TO KILL ANY REMAINING HUMANS IN THE AFTERLIFE OR POLESHIFT

SO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE POLE SHIFT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTS TENURE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS WONDER WHY REPUBLICANS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN WANTING TO CONTINUE
AND EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM? TO SAVE US FROM TERRORITS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT TO TAKE CONTROL IN THE AFTERLIFE AND LOOK TO REMOVE ANYONE THREATENING THEM WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS.

REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT U.S. CITIZENS ARE THE TERRORISTS AND THAT THE TERRORISTS THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS BELIEVE IN ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THUS REPUBLICANS ARE A FRIEND TO TERRORISTS WHICH MEANS ONLY ONE THING. YOU ARE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST TO THEM BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEM AFTER THE POLESHIFT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT MATTERS NOT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONTINUTING TO EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POTENTIAL THREATS ON U.S. SOIL WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS. I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS DURING AND AFTER THE POLESHIFT ASSURES YOUR DEATH AND THESE COWARDS GOING TO THEIR BUNKERS WHILE ALL OF YOU SUFFER FROM STARVATION OR FROM DEHYDRATION. OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE COMING POLE SHIFT, HE JUST HEARD RUMORS AND I'M SURE THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BETTER HIMSELF AFTER THE POLE SHIFT BUT TO ONLY AID AND ASSIST THOSE IN NEED.

MCCAIN KNOWS OF THE COMING POLE SHIFT AND THIS MEANS TROUBLE. ITS FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN THIS NOVEMBER BUT THEN THEY INTEND YOUR DEATH AFTER THE POLE SHIFT FOR THOSE REMAINING THAT STILL SURVIVED.
I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. FOR MY FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY'S SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR THESE TWO FACE
IDIOTS. OBAMA IN MY DREAM WAS SHOWN AS A COMPASSIONATE MAN WHO LOOKED TO AID THOSE IN TROUBLE. THIS IS NO LIE.. AND IM NOT SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO ME IN MY DREAM.

HAS ANY OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES LIKE THIS IN THEIR DREAMS?


Posted by: Matt Steinberg PhD in Psychology | September 19, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Obama spent his entire adult life in a church that taught and preached Black Liberation Theology. A nice name for Black Supremacy. It put down every race, hispanic, white, asian, native American as well as religions, catholic and jewish.

And now he wants these same people to vote for him to run this country! A man who has no experience except this type of life racist experience. It goes beyond mouth dropping.
Obama, this is change we do not need. Shame on You.

Posted by: NO HYPOCRITES | September 18, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama better be another FDR, because what we need is a government that will put its resources into the American people--new jobs in new energy like geothermal, wind, and solar; science and engineering education (yes, and history, letters, and music etc.); rebuilding the crumbling infrastrucure, and not fighting unnecessary wars with private contractors for the benefit of oil companies. Instead of trying to control the world, propping up dictators everywhere, we should take care of the US. The real problem with taxes is so much is going into debt service and the military that nothing really goes back to the people.

The US has blown it by becoming an illegal invader, torturing, high-handed, unjust, election-stealing even at home. It takes two hundred years to grow a tree and two minutes to cut it down.

I'm sorry to say that I don't think McCain has a real vision for the future.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Economic Policy

Tax Them! They have a job!

Posted by: NOBama | September 18, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse


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YOU BE THE JUDGE.

WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain arrived late at his Senate office on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. “This is war,” he murmured to his aides. The sound of scrambling fighter planes rattled the windows, sending a tremor of panic through the room.


Erik Jacobs for The New York Times
John McCain said he had consulted Henry A. Kissinger on foreign policy before and after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Within hours, Mr. McCain, the Vietnam War hero and famed straight talker of the 2000 Republican primary, had taken on a new role: the leading advocate of taking the American retaliation against Al Qaeda far beyond Afghanistan. In a marathon of television and radio appearances, Mr. McCain recited a short list of other countries said to support terrorism, invariably including Iraq, Iran and Syria.

“There is a system out there or network, and that network is going to have to be attacked,” Mr. McCain said the next morning on ABC News. “It isn’t just Afghanistan,” he added, on MSNBC. “I don’t think if you got bin Laden tomorrow that the threat has disappeared,” he said on CBS, pointing toward other countries in the Middle East.

Within a month he made clear his priority. “Very obviously Iraq is the first country,” he declared on CNN. By Jan. 2, Mr. McCain was on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, yelling to a crowd of sailors and airmen: “Next up, Baghdad!”

Now, as Mr. McCain prepares to accept the Republican presidential nomination, his response to the attacks of Sept. 11 opens a window onto how he might approach the gravest responsibilities of a potential commander in chief. Like many, he immediately recalibrated his assessment of the unseen risks to America’s security. But he also began to suggest that he saw a new “opportunity” to deter other potential foes by punishing not only Al Qaeda but also Iraq.

“Just as Sept. 11 revolutionized our resolve to defeat our enemies, so has it brought into focus the opportunities we now have to secure and expand our freedom,” Mr. McCain told a NATO conference in Munich in early 2002, urging the Europeans to join what he portrayed as an all but certain assault on Saddam Hussein. “A better world is already emerging from the rubble.”

To his admirers, Mr. McCain’s tough response to Sept. 11 is at the heart of his appeal. They argue that he displayed the same decisiveness again last week in his swift calls to penalize Russia for its incursion into Georgia, in part by sending peacekeepers to police its border.

His critics charge that the emotion of Sept. 11 overwhelmed his former cool-eyed caution about deploying American troops without a clear national interest and a well-defined exit, turning him into a tool of the Bush administration in its push for a war to transform the region.

“He has the personality of a fighter pilot: when somebody stings you, you want to strike out,” said retired Gen. John H. Johns, a former friend and supporter of Mr. McCain who turned against him over the Iraq war. “Just like the American people, his reaction was: show me somebody to hit.”

Whether through ideology or instinct, though, Mr. McCain began making his case for invading Iraq to the public more than six months before the White House began to do the same. He drew on principles he learned growing up in a military family and on conclusions he formed as a prisoner in North Vietnam. He also returned to a conviction about “the common identity” of dangerous autocracies as far-flung as Serbia and North Korea that he had developed consulting with hawkish foreign policy thinkers to help sharpen the themes of his 2000 presidential campaign.

While pushing to take on Saddam Hussein, Mr. McCain also made arguments and statements that he may no longer wish to recall. He lauded the war planners he would later criticize, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney. (Mr. McCain even volunteered that he would have given the same job to Mr. Cheney.) He urged support for the later-discredited Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi’s opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, and echoed some of its suspect accusations in the national media. And he advanced misleading assertions not only about Mr. Hussein’s supposed weapons programs but also about his possible ties to international terrorists, Al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.

Five years after the invasion of Iraq, Mr. McCain’s supporters note that he became an early critic of the administration’s execution of the occupation, and they credit him with pushing the troop “surge” that helped bring stability. Mr. McCain, though, stands by his support for the war and expresses no regrets about his advocacy.

In written answers to questions, he blamed “Iraq’s opacity under Saddam” for any misleading remarks he made about the peril it posed.

The Sept. 11 attacks “demonstrated the grave threat posed by a hostile regime, possessing weapons of mass destruction, and with reported ties to terrorists,” Mr. McCain wrote in an e-mail message on Friday. Given Mr. Hussein’s history of pursuing illegal weapons and his avowed hostility to the United States, “his regime posed a threat we had to take seriously.” The attacks were still a reminder, Mr. McCain added, of the importance of international action “to prevent outlaw states — like Iran today — from developing weapons of mass destruction.”

Formative Years

Mr. McCain has been debating questions about the use of military force far longer than most. He grew up in a family that had sent a son to every American war since 1776, and international relations were a staple of the McCain family dinner table. Mr. McCain grew up listening to his father, Adm. John S. McCain Jr., deliver lectures on “The Four Ocean Navy and the Soviet Threat,” closing with a slide of an image he considered the ultimate factor in the balance of power: a soldier marching through a rice paddy with a rifle at his shoulder.

“To quote Sherman, war is all hell and we need to fight it out and get it over with and that is when the killing stops,” recalled Joe McCain, Senator McCain’s younger brother.

Vietnam, for Senator McCain, reinforced those lessons. He has often said he blamed the Johnson administration’s pause in bombing for prolonging the war, and he credited President Richard M. Nixon’s renewed attacks with securing his release from a North Vietnamese prison. He has made the principle that the exercise of military power sets the bargaining table for international relations a consistent theme of his career ever since, and in his 2002 memoir he wrote that one of his lifelong convictions was “the imperative that American power never retreat in response to an inferior adversary’s provocation.”


But Mr. McCain also took away from Vietnam a second, restraining lesson: the necessity for broad domestic support for any military action. For years he opposed a string of interventions — in Lebanon, Haiti, Somalia, and, for a time, the Balkans — on the grounds that the public would balk at the loss of life without clear national interests. “The Vietnam thing,” he recently said.

In the late 1990s, however, while he was beginning to consider his 2000 presidential race, he started rebalancing his view of the needs to project American strength and to sustain public support. The 1995 massacre of 5,000 unarmed Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica under NATO’s watch struck at his conscience, he has said, and in addition to America’s strategic national interests — in that case, the future and credibility of NATO — Mr. McCain began to speak more expansively about America’s moral obligations as the only remaining superpower.

His aides say he later described the American air strikes in Bosnia in 1996 and in Kosovo in 1999 as a parable of political leadership: Mr. McCain, Senator Bob Dole and others had rallied Congressional support for the strikes despite widespread public opposition, then watched approval soar after the intervention helped to bring peace.

“Americans elect their leaders to make these kinds of judgments,” Mr. McCain said in the e-mail message.

It was during the Balkan wars that Mr. McCain and his advisers read a 1997 article on the Wall Street Journal editorial page by William Kristol and David Brooks of The Weekly Standard — both now Op-Ed page columnists at The New York Times — promoting the idea of “national greatness” conservatism, defined by a more activist agenda at home and a more muscular role in the world.

“I wouldn’t call it a ‘eureka’ moment, but there was a sense that this is where we are headed and this is what we are trying to articulate and they have already done a lot of the work,” said John Weaver, a former McCain political adviser. “And, quite frankly, from a crass political point of view, we were in the making-friends business. The Weekly Standard represented a part of the primary electorate that we could get.”

Soon Mr. McCain and his aides were consulting regularly with the circle of hawkish foreign policy thinkers sometimes referred to as neoconservatives — including Mr. Kristol, Robert Kagan and Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Mr. Dole who became a McCain campaign adviser — to develop the senator’s foreign policy ideas and instincts into the broad themes of a presidential campaign. (In his e-mail message, Mr. McCain noted that he had also consulted with friends like Henry A. Kissinger, known for a narrower view of American interests.)

One result was a series of speeches in which Mr. McCain called for “rogue state rollback.” He argued that disparate regional troublemakers, including Iraq, North Korea and Serbia, bore a common stamp: they were all autocracies. And as such, he contended, they were more likely to export terrorism, spread dangerous weapons, or start ethnic conflicts. In an early outline of what would become his initial response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. McCain argued that “swift and sure” retribution against any one of the rogue states was an essential deterrent to any of the others. But Mr. McCain’s advisers and aides say his “rogue state” speeches stopped short of the most sweeping international agenda put forth by Mr. Kristol, Mr. Kagan and their allies. Mr. McCain explicitly disavowed direct military action merely to advance American values, foreswearing any “global crusade” of interventions in favor of relying on covert and financial support for internal opposition groups.

As an example, he could point to his 1998 sponsorship of the Iraqi Liberation Act, which sought to direct nearly $100 million to Iraqis who hoped to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The bill, signed by President Bill Clinton, also endorsed the ouster of Mr. Hussein.

Mr. McCain said then that he doubted the United States could muster the political will to use ground troops to remove the Iraqi dictator any time soon. “It was much easier when Saddam Hussein was occupying Kuwait and threatening Saudi Arabia,” the senator told Fox News in November 1998. “We’d have to convince the American people that it’s worth again the sacrifice of American lives, because that would also be part of the price.”

Hard Calls

Mr. McCain spent the afternoon of Sept. 11 in a young aide’s studio apartment near the Capitol. There was no cable television, nothing but water in the kitchen, and the hallway reminded him of an old boxing gym. Evacuated from his office but stranded by traffic, he could not resist imagining himself at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. “There are not enough Secret Service agents in the world to keep me away from Washington and New York at a time like this,” Mr. McCain told an adviser.


Over the next days and weeks, however, Mr. McCain became almost as visible as he would have been as president. Broadcasters rushed to him as a patriotic icon and reassuring voice, and for weeks he was ubiquitous on the morning news programs, Sunday talk shows, cable news networks, and even late-night comedy shows.

In the spotlight, he pushed rogue state rollback one step further, arguing that the United States should go on the offensive as a warning to any other country that might condone such an attack. “These networks are well-embedded in some of these countries,” Mr. McCain said on Sept. 12, listing Iraq, Iran and Syria as potential targets of United States pressure. “We’re going to have to prove to them that we are very serious, and the price that they will pay will not only be for punishment but also deterrence.”

Although he had campaigned for President Bush during the 2000 general election, he was still largely frozen out of the White House because of animosities left over from the Republican primary. But after Mr. Bush declared he would hold responsible any country condoning terrorism, Mr. McCain called his leadership “magnificent” and his national security team the strongest “that has ever been assembled.” A few weeks later, Larry King of CNN asked whether he would have named Mr. Rumsfeld and Colin L. Powell to a McCain cabinet. “Oh, yes, and Cheney,” Mr. McCain answered, saying he, too, would have offered Mr. Cheney the vice presidency.

Even during the heat of the war in Afghanistan, Mr. McCain kept an eye on Iraq. To Jay Leno in mid-September, Mr. McCain said he believed “some other countries” had assisted Osama bin Laden, going on to suggest Iraq, Syria and Iran as potential suspects. In October 2001, when an Op-Ed page column in The New York Times speculated that Iraq, Russia or some other country might bear responsibility for that month’s anthrax mailings, Mr. McCain interrupted a question about Afghanistan from David Letterman on that night’s “Late Show.” “The second phase is Iraq,” Mr. McCain said, adding, “Some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.” (The Federal Bureau of Investigation says it came from a federal government laboratory in Maryland.) By October, United States and foreign intelligence agencies had said publicly that they doubted any cooperation between Mr. Hussein and Al Qaeda, noting Al Qaeda’s opposition to such secular nationalists. American intelligence officials soon declared that Mr. Hussein had not supported international terrorism for nearly a decade.

But when the Czech government said that before the attacks, one of the 9/11 hijackers had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence official, Mr. McCain seized the report as something close to a smoking gun. “The evidence is very clear,” he said three days later, in an Oct. 29 television interview. (Intelligence agencies quickly cast doubt on the meeting.)

Frustrated by the dearth of American intelligence about Iraq, Mr. McCain’s aides say, he had long sought to learn as much as he could from Iraqi opposition figures in exile, including Mr. Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. Over the years, Mr. McCain often urged support for the group, saying it had “significant support, in my view, inside Iraq.”

After Sept. 11, Mr. Chalabi’s group said an Iraqi emissary had once met with Osama bin Laden, and brought forward two Iraqi defectors who described terrorist training camps and biological weapons efforts. At times, Mr. McCain seemed to echo their accusations, citing the “two defectors” in a television interview and attesting to “credible reports of involvement between Iraqi administration officials, Iraqi officials and the terrorists.”

Growing Impatient

But United States intelligence officials had doubts about Mr. Chalabi at the time and have since discredited his group. In 2006, Mr. McCain acknowledged to The New Republic that he had been “too enamored with the I.N.C.” In his e-mail message, though, he said he never relied on the group for information about Iraq’s weapons program.

At a European security conference in February 2002, when the Bush administration still publicly maintained that it had made no decision about moving against Iraq, Mr. McCain described an invasion as all but certain. “A terrorist resides in Baghdad,” he said, adding, “A day of reckoning is approaching.”

Regime change in Iraq in addition to Afghanistan, he argued, would compel other sponsors of terrorism to mend their ways, “accomplishing by example what we would otherwise have to pursue through force of arms.”

Finally, as American troops massed in the Persian Gulf in early 2003, Mr. McCain grew impatient, his aides say, concerned that the White House was failing to act as the hot desert summer neared. Waiting, he warned in a speech in Washington, risked squandering the public and international support aroused by Sept. 11. “Does anyone really believe that the world’s will to contain Saddam won’t eventually collapse as utterly as it did in the 1990s?” Mr. McCain asked.

In retrospect, some of Mr. McCain’s critics now accuse him of looking for a pretext to justify the war. “McCain was hell-bent for leather: ‘Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, we have got to teach him, let’s send a message to the other people in the Middle East,’ ” said Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts.

But Mr. McCain, in his e-mail message, said the reason he had supported the war was the evolving threat from Mr. Hussein.

“I believe voters elect their leaders based on their experience and judgment — their ability to make hard calls, for instance, on matters of war and peace,” he wrote. “It’s important to get them right.”

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. NoSolution Obama" - The solution to the economic mess is really quite simple - get rid of the Republican's. Under Bush and years of Republican control of the House and Senate they passed laws that made outsourcing American jobs easy. They made is easy for corporation to commit wholesale treason - selling top secret military hardware and technology to China and Iran - with no fear of consequences. The made it easy for Wall Street crooks to swindle ordinary honest citizens. We were looted. Our incomes fell by the largest amount in modern history. Bush and McCain and the like used our jobs, our production capacity, our technology, as bargaining chips, bribes, to gain support (or just silence) for insane foreign policy adventures.

Get rid of these fools, these treasonous NeoMarxist/NeoCon's and ship the H1-B and other guest workers home, keeping the jobs here. THAT will end the real recession! Of course, you blithering idiots and assorted parasites of the right, the new communists, the illegitimate children of Marx and Lenin and Stalin, advocates of big government, big brother, smaller rights, and even smaller paychecks, modern day socialists hiding behind Republican dresses, just don't get it! You're history. This country knows you and knows what you are...free traitors, fuzzy minded one worlders, pretend patriots waving made in China flags.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 18, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I STRENOUSLY DISAGREE WITH CHRIS'S ASESSMENT

"...McCain makes the case in a new ad released this morning."

Sorry McCain has not made the case. What we are witnessing, yet again, is that the PTSD suffereract of the Matter John McCain, Is a SERIAL LIAR, or, if you will, PATHELOGICAL LIAR, and one with out SHAME nor REMORSE.

FROM FACT OF THE MATTER AT http://need4trth.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-appears-to-be-having-no-desire.html

Today factcheck.org released a new action wire which reveals John McCain and RNC or at it again.....Here's fact checks take on it.....

There He Goes Again
September 18, 2008
McCain ad misrepresents Obama's tax plan. Again.
Summary
The McCain-Palin campaign has released a new ad that once again distorts Obama's tax plans.

* The ad claims Obama will raise taxes on electricity. He hasn't proposed any such tax. Obama does support a cap-and-trade policy that would raise the costs of electricity, but so does McCain.(...hhhhmmmmmm, can somebody say HYPOCRITE/LIAR?

* It falsely claims he would tax home heating oil. Actually, Obama proposed a rebate of up to $1,000 per family to defray increased heating oil costs, funded by what he calls a windfall profits tax on oil companies. (MCCAIN/PALIN = MORE LIES)

* The ad claims that Obama will tax "life savings." In fact, he would increase capital gains and dividends taxes only for couples earning more than $250,000 per year, or singles making $200,000. For the rest, taxes on investments would remain unchanged.

Um, need4trh here, I just wanted to inject something. Over the last three week these (MCCAIN/PALIN TAX LIE ADS AGAINST OBAMA have been left UNCHALLENGED by the POWERS THAT BE (CORPORATE MEDIA), left as is and not called what they are when referring to McCain/Palin (LIES)

The McCain campaign argues in its documentation for this ad that, whatever Obama says he would do, he will eventually be forced to break his promise and raise taxes more broadly to pay for his promised spending programs. That's an opinion they are certainly entitled to express, and to argue for. But their ad doesn't do that. Instead, it simply presents the McCain camp's opinion as a fact, and it fails to alert viewers that its claims are based on what the campaign thinks might happen in the future.


Analysis
In what has become an ongoing theme, the McCain-Palin campaign has released yet another ad that makes false claims about Barack Obama's tax plan. The ad, which was released on Sept. 18 and which the campaign says will air nationally, claims that Obama will raise income taxes and will tax "life savings, electricity and home heating oil." As we keep saying, Obama says he'll raise income taxes and capital gains taxes only for couples earning more than $250,000 per year or singles making over $200,000. He has proposed no plans to raise taxes on either home heating oil or electricity.

Electric Charges

McCain-Palin 2008 Ad:
"Dome"

Narrator: When our economy's in crisis, a big government casts a big shadow on us all.

Obama and his liberal Congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork.

And, we would pay -- painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil.

Can your family afford that?

McCain: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.
The ad opens with standard-issue Republican warnings of the economic dangers of big government before proclaiming that Obama and his liberal allies want to bring back "a massive government" complete with billions in spending increases and waste. We are then told that Obama would raise income taxes and would increase taxes on "life savings, electricity and home heating oil."

This isn't the first time the McCain-Palin campaign has claimed that Obama would raise taxes on electricity. The claim is just as false now as it was when it first came up. The campaign bases its charge on a single comment Obama made in an interview with a San Antonio columnist. Obama did in fact say, "What we ought to tax is dirty energy, like coal and, to a lesser extent, natural gas." But, as we said then, the comment is grossly out of context. Obama's remark comes after he was asked whether we ought to tax renewable energy sources. This was not a general call for increasing taxes on coal or natural gas, and Obama certainly does not have any such proposal as part of his public platform.

One could argue that Obama's proposed cap-and-trade program constitutes an indirect tax on electricity. But McCain proposes cap-and-trade, too, and we haven't heard McCain say that he wants to tax your electric bill. These programs are designed to reduce carbon emissions by requiring companies to pay for pollution credits. Since most electricity in the U.S. is generated via coal and natural-gas plants, both carbon-emitting fossil fuels, a cap-and-trade program will result in higher electricity costs.

Overheated Claims

Contrary to the ad's claim, Obama has not proposed raising taxes on home heating oil. In fact, just the opposite. Obama is proposing rebate checks of up to $500 per individual or $1,000 per family for what he calls an "emergency energy rebate." Obama says the rebate would be large enough that a typical family in a northern state could offset the full increase in home heating costs that have resulted from rising oil prices. Obama plans to fund the rebate through a five-year windfall profits tax on oil companies.

The McCain-Palin campaign counters that a windfall profits tax on oil companies will raise the cost of heating oil. The campaign points to a Washington Post editorial which charges that the cost of the five-year tax:

Washington Post (Aug. 6): would be passed along in forgone investment in new production, lower dividends for pension funds and other shareholders, and higher prices at the pump – thus socking it to the consumers whom the plan is supposed to help.

This is a fairly standard view in economics. Corporations don't really pay taxes. Any taxes levied on a corporation are passed along to one of three places: shareholders, in the form of smaller dividends on their investments; employees, in the form of lower wages; and consumers, in the form of higher prices. The McCain-Palin campaign's argument is that increasing taxes on oil companies amounts to increasing the price of heating oil and that that increase really is just a tax being levied on home heating oil. But the tax could also fall mainly on the stockholders of the oil companies, in the form of reduced after-tax profits, dividends and stock prices. That is actually how both the Congressional Budget Office and the independent, nonpartisan Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center allocate the benefits of tax changes on corporations.

We'll leave it to you to decide whether or not a windfall profits tax on oil companies makes economic sense. But it is misleading to describe Obama's view as a tax on home heating oil when Obama is actually proposing a rebate for home heating costs and a tax increase for oil companies.

Life Savings

The ad's claim that Obama will raise taxes on your "life savings" is only true if you're an individual making more than $200,000 (or a couple earning more than $250,000) and paying capital gains and dividend taxes. (We've said this many times now.) The "ad facts" that the McCain campaign released to reporters state very prominently that "Barack Obama would raise capital gains and dividend taxes" and that 26.7 million Americans received capital gains income while 31.5 million received dividend income. That's all true. But the very article that the campaign cites to support its claim also says quite clearly that Obama will raise capital gains and dividend taxes only on couples making more than $250,000 per year. We'd also note that more than 80 percent of all capital gains income in 2006 went to those earning more than $200,000 a year. See our Ask FactCheck on the subject for more.

McCain's Magic 8 Ball

The ad says sweepingly that "we would pay" the increased taxes, even though what Obama has proposed would produce tax cuts, not tax increases, for about 80 percent of all workers and families and about 95 percent of those with children, according to independent analysis by the Tax Policy Center. To justify its claim that "we" would pay, the McCain campaign is making a new argument. In an "ad facts" document, it cites two opinion columns which argue that Obama's new spending proposals would require him to break his pledge, and to raise taxes on couples making less than $250,000 per year. That's a prediction, which the McCain campaign states as fact in its ad. Viewers are given no indication that the ad is based on opinion about what could happen in the future.

It's certainly true that Obama's proposed spending is lower than his projected revenues, and Obama has made no secret of the fact that his plan will not result in balanced budgets for the next four years. According to the Tax Policy Center, without spending cuts elsewhere, Obama's proposals could lead to between $3.6 trillion and $5.9 trillion in new debt over 10 years. The McCain-Palin campaign is certainly entitled to argue that that level of debt is unsustainable and that Obama would therefore have to raise taxes.

That, however, is a dangerous argument. The same Tax Policy Center analysis shows that McCain's proposals would raise the debt by between $5.1 trillion and $7.4 trillion over 10 years. And while McCain has promised to balance the budget by 2013, the Tax Policy Center notes that doing so would require a 25 percent reduction in federal spending. Few economists outside the McCain-Palin campaign think that is a feasible goal. So, by the ad's logic, Obama could just as easily claim that McCain supports a massive tax increase. But if he did he would have no more justification than McCain does for this ad.

In fact, it's impossible to know for certain what either candidate will actually do if elected. Both sides are free to speculate. But unless they possess really good Magic 8 Balls, they are not free to present those speculations as settled facts.

– by Joe Miller
Sources
"Tapping Tired Wells." Washington Post. 6 August 2008.

Herman, Tom, "Your Tax Bill: How McCain, Obama Differ." The Wall Street Journal. 18 June 2008.

"The Lexington Project: Breaking Our Dependence on Foreign Oil." 2008. JohnMcCain.com. 30 July 2008.

S.139: The Climate Stewardship Act of 2003. 9 January 2003. 30 July 2008.

Guerra, Carlos. "Q&A With Sen. Barack Obama." 19 February 2008. The San Antonio News-Express. 30 July 2008.

Burman, Len, et. al. “An Updated Analysis of the 2008 Presidential Candidates’ Tax Plans: Revised August 15, 2008.” Tax Policy Center, 15 Aug. 2008.

WHEN EXACTLY IS ENOUGH ENOUGH????WHEN EXACTLY DOES THE FCC STEP IN AND NATIONALLY CENSOR THE RNC AND JOHN MCCAIN FOR COMMINT PUBLIC DISTORTIONA AND PROPORTIGN ABSOLUTE LIES?

Win, lose or draw, When you say you are going to behave a certain wasy yet in a hearbeat you behave the opposite, I think it's only fare to say as children sometimes say, "HAHA, I FOOLED YA'!!
The RNC AND MCCAIN/PALIN are BOLDLY and UNABASHEDLY committing FRAUD over the national airwaves and being given some unequivocal PASS...WHICH LEADS YET AGAIN TO THIS. Where is the CORPORATE MEDIA AND THE BALANCE OF FULL AND EQUAL SCRUTINY OF JOHN the liar MCCAIN. Why aren't they all over this on every network new show?

THE UNABASHED FREE RIDE FOR CANDIDATE MCCAIN CONTINUES

Over the course of a career, most nationally prominent politicians, particularly those who choose to seek the White House, can expect ups and downs in their treatment by the press. While some are looked on more favorably than others, most of the key figures in national politics will see times when they are hailed as victors and praised for their strengths, and times when they are derided as losers and pilloried for their weaknesses. But in recent years, there has been one exception to this rule: John McCain. While other politicians are examined with a cynical eye, McCain and his admirers in the media have cooperated to construct a shimmering image of the senator from Arizona, one that has propelled him to the heights of American politics. McCain, as he has been presented to the public, is a straight-talking maverick, a war hero standing astride the parties and untroubled by political calculations.

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As our new book, Free Ride: John McCain and the Media shows, no other modern politician has received as much favorable press as John McCain has in the past decade, a period that has seen him go from a relative unknown to the man that The Almanac of American Politics calls "the closest thing our politics has to a national hero." While some politicians might get nearly as much attention, and a few others (such as Chuck Hagel or Richard Lugar) are privileged with steadily laudatory press, McCain stands alone in the combination of his high profile in the media and the overwhelmingly positive tone of the coverage that the press gives him.

But calling McCain's coverage positive does not begin to convey the complexity of his singular status in the media. In a hundred ways, the rules are simply different for McCain. Indeed, when writing about McCain, journalists offer a unique brand of praise. Here are a few of the things hard-bitten reporters said about McCain during his 2000 run for the presidency:

* "A man of unshakable character, willing to stand up for his convictions." (R.W. Apple, New York Times)
* "An original, imaginative, and at times inspiring candidate." ( Jacob Weisberg, Slate)
* "Mr. McCain is running as the blunt anti-politician who won't lie, who won't spin." (Alison Mitchell, New York Times)
* "While most candidates talk up their chances, McCain engages in anti-spin." (Howard Kurtz, Washington Post)
* "He rises above the pack in admitting it's not all the other party's fault. He's eloquent, as only a prisoner of war can be." (David Nyhan, Boston Globe)
* "McCain conveys a great sense of vigor, a sense that anything can happen on his campaign." ( Roger Simon, U.S. News & World Report)
* "There's something authentic about this man." (Mike Wallace, 60 Minutes)
* "Basically just a cool dude." ( Jake Tapper, Salon)

This sampling -- all from the campaign season, when reporters tend to be more cynical -- only skims the surface. In story after story, the media portrayed -- and continue to portray -- John McCain as a larger-than-life anti-politician, unbeholden to special interests and driven not by ambition but by a sense of duty. Such was the rapport that developed between McCain and the media in 2000 that McCain staffers began to call the media their "base." As Michael Lewis, a frequent magazine contributor and bestselling author, wrote about McCain in 1997, "I became used to opening the morning paper and finding McCain's quotes on the front page and his opinions echoed on the editorial page. It was a testament to the growing distrust between the press and the more ordinary politicians. Here was a Republican Senator -- a red meat, pro-life, strong-army kind of guy -- and yet somehow he had become the preferred source of the putatively liberal media."

Lewis may have been one of the first reporters to turn his wordsmithing talents to the elevation of John McCain the politician (R.W. Apple also wrote some of the first tributes to McCain, in the New York Times), but he was hardly the last. David Broder and David Ignatius of the Washington Post, Howard Fineman of Newsweek, Joe Klein of Time (who described McCain's 2000 campaign as containing "hints of what politics might become . . . if we're lucky"), and Chris Matthews of MSNBC would have to be counted among McCain's most enthusiastic current boosters in the major media. Although these men may be more demonstrative in their admiration for McCain, that admiration is evident in nearly all the coverage McCain has received, particularly since his campaign for the 2000 Republican nomination for president. The result has been a virtually indestructible media creation: the Myth of McCain. We call it a "myth" not to assert that all the themes that run through the coverage of McCain are plainly false. Rather, we use the term according to its dictionary definition, meaning the foundational set of precepts on which a belief system is based. Even as his 2008 campaign experienced some early stumbles and he did things that seemed to call into question the foundations of his image, the Myth of McCain remained intact. The myth consists of the following ideas:

* John McCain is a maverick.
* John McCain is a moderate.
* John McCain is a straight talker.
* John McCain is a reformer.
* John McCain doesn't do things just because they're politically expedient.
* Just about all you need to know about John McCain's character is that he showed courage as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.
* John McCain has too much integrity to use his war record to his political advantage.

Some of these ideas have a basis in reality but have been wildly exaggerated; others are simply false. What is incontrovertible is that the press has continually foregrounded them at the expense of a more rounded and accurate portrait of McCain. Even when early problems on the 2008 campaign trail (such as lackluster fund-raising in the first quarter of 2007) resulted in some uncharacteristically critical coverage for McCain, the elements of the myth remained intact. What that period of more critical press showed was that even McCain's negative coverage is more positive than that which other candidates receive. Unlike other candidates, McCain finds that momentary controversies (as when he responded to a question about Iran by singing "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann") are presented in isolation, unconnected to any alleged character flaws.

The contrast with other candidates is striking. When Mitt Romney makes a seemingly exaggerated claim about his history as a hunter, reporters connect the statement to doubts about whether Romney is genuine and sincere. When John Edwards gets an expensive haircut, reporters question whether he is a true populist and sufficiently substantive. The allegedly revealing incidents are contextualized by other similar incidents from the candidate's past and then brought up again and again in the future. In other words, the negative press of the moment is linked to what we are told are the candidates' significant flaws, the deficiencies in their character that "raise questions" about whether they are fit to be president.

Not so for John McCain. The very idea that McCain might have deficiencies of character that relate to his fitness to be president is never contemplated. The consequence is that a spate of bad coverage, whether over a temporarily struggling campaign or an intemperate remark, does nothing to undermine his prospects for a future comeback. Others find their worst moments replayed over and over, used to indict their character and highlight their flaws. But the John McCain portrayed in the media has no character flaws. He may say something dumb or be down in the polls, but his fundamental virtue is never questioned. If he is down, he is therefore always poised for a revival. If he panders, he will resume his admirable candor any day -- as an April 2007 column by David Broder of the Washington Post was titled, he'll be "Straight Talking Again." In an editorial two days later, Broder's newspaper wrote, "Whatever your position on the war, then or now, Mr. McCain deserves credit for foresight and consistency about how the war should have been waged . . . the 2008 race is better for having Mr. McCain in it." Even a flagging campaign can be presented as evidence of McCain's fundamental goodness; noting that McCain seemed "dispirited" in early 2007, Newsweek offered, "It may be because he is not, at heart, a politician. He is a warrior." When a reporter says someone is "not a politician," it is the highest compliment (and exceedingly odd if the man in question has been a politician for a quarter of a century).

Over his career, McCain has compiled a record that is far more complex than his media image. The fact of the matter is that John McCain is neither a moderate nor a maverick. McCain's voting record, his ideas, his values, and his rhetoric mark him as a stout conservative -- a description that he himself adheres to. And despite occasional acts of seeming apostasy, McCain has actually been a dependably loyal member of the Republican Party. A close examination of the occasions on which he does break with the GOP -- as on campaign finance reform, for instance -- reveals them to be not just carefully calculated, but both less substantively meaningful and less risky than the way they are portrayed in the media.

By reading heroic qualities in every facet of the Arizona senator, the media have failed to give the public an accurate portrait of McCain the politician. For here is a man who, in the end, is not much different from his colleagues in Congress in ambition, calculation, and attraction to power. John McCain has been in politics for twenty-five years now. He is currently in his fourth Senate term. He has been a major contender for the presidency and is one of the most visible legislators in recent history. An antipolitician he is not.

Yet McCain is distinct from his colleagues in some critical ways. More so than any other contemporary political figure, he has cracked the media code. His careful courting of the press has resulted in the very picture of him that most serves his ends, where every statement uttered, every position taken, even every external event seems to be characterized only in the way most complimentary to John McCain. He has obtained what every politician yearns for: a press corps that acts almost as a partner in his political ambitions.

The fawning coverage has barely abated even as McCain has made a very public hard tack to the right in preparing for his second run at the presidency. In an effort to win support among the Republican Party's conservative base, without which it will be nearly impossible for him to win the party's nomination for president, McCain has sought to be more vocal and demonstrative about his genuine conservatism -- a conservatism that, running in 2000 against the establishment candidate, George W. Bush, he was happy to see obscured as he made an effort to attract moderates. Despite such a shift, the media have continued to champion McCain as a moderate among ideologues and the straightest of straight talkers.

And though in late 2006 and early 2007 McCain did receive some unfavorable coverage as his campaign seemed to have trouble getting off the ground, the old affection was evident in a press corps seemingly eager for McCain to reignite the spirit of his 2000 run. "John McCain is back on the bus," proclaimed ABC's Nightline in March 2007. "And everywhere he goes, McCain takes on all comers, all questions. A rolling no-holds-barred political free-for-all, unlike most other American campaigns these days." When McCain said he had no choice but to do what's right, correspondent Terry Moran commented, "No other choice. That's pure John McCain. Blunt, unyielding, deploying his principles... What he does do is what he's always done, play it as straight as possible...The maverick candidate still. John McCain."

If tributes like that one were rarer on the 2008 campaign trail than they had been in the past, their continued presence highlighted the unique relationship between McCain and the media, a phenomenon that simply finds no comparison in modern politics. It is important to understand the phenomenon simply because of who McCain is. As the Republican nominee for president in 2008, John McCain stands as one of the most important figures on the American political landscape. Is the McCain that the media are giving us the McCain we're actually getting? Are the media covering McCain comprehensively, accurately, and thoughtfully -- qualities that we seek in all reportage on our leaders?

But the question of how the media cover McCain has larger implications that go beyond 2008. For the last three or four decades, the media have stood as the single most important institution in American electoral politics. It is the media, more than the parties (or, arguably, even the candidates themselves), that define the pictures that voters carry in their heads as they walk into the voting booth. The media's canonization of John McCain is an object lesson in their failure to serve the American public. Please visit McCainsfreeride.com and also te realmccain2 at bravenewfilms.com.


WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? Arriana Huffington of the huffingtonpost,com had these commements to say about McCain/palin and the Republican party...

Arianna Huffington: How Obama Can Demonstrate Real Leadership on the Economic Crisis

Wall Street is melting down, and McCain and the GOP have no credible response. Indeed, McCain is so clearly clueless on this issue, the current battle over who is best suited to deal with the financial crisis should be a rout. And, so far, Obama has shown not just an incomparably greater grasp of the situation and substantive policies to deal with it, but a real fire in the belly in going after McCain's vulnerable flank. But for Obama to show the kind of transformational leadership the crisis demands, he needs to do what so many of his critics have chided him for not doing: take a stand that puts him at odds with the establishment of his own party. He did it in 2002 with the war in Iraq. He can do it in 2008 with the economy.

You see, MY FREINDS, as John MccAin SEE'S and understands he has no IDEA ABOUT THE ECONOMY, NOR ANY iDEA ON HOW TO FIX THINGS. He is relying solely on His continued free pass on scrutiny from the CORPORATE MEDIA, SMEAR FEAR AND LIES (HIS NEGATIVE AD CAMPAIGN), and on the STUPID BLINDNESS OF THE cONSERVATIVER RIGHT AND THE 'RELIABLES' WHO'LL VOTE FOR jOHN mCCaIN JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT HE'LL APPOINT RIGHT WING JUDGES, AND BECAUSE, well they just can't vote for a black guy. It's as simple as that.

SORRY CAMP DECIETFUL AND CRONIES THE INTELLIGENT RACIALLY SOUND CONSTITUENCY JUST ISN;T BUYING THIS OLD IDEOLOGY...

Anybody have any Ideal who is a Republican 'RELIABLE"? Hillary Clinton Laid claim to this constituency when she said and i qoute, "Working class, uh hardworking class, uh rural white working class voters are supporting me. Uneducated rural living white voters....These my friends are the reliable republican constituency. PSSSST....Wake up guys, you're being DECIEVED!!!!

Posted by: need4trth | September 18, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Using your statistics,if had a tax break $66,000 i would invest in stocks,mutual,other bonds.too make more money since i'am not in that category the $1,000 which is $20 a week,i wouldn.t invest it would buy beer and a steak.
So goofus you answered your ???????? yourself.
Have a good day

Posted by: frank boyd | September 18, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

PRES. CLINTON/DEMOCRATS HAD NO REGULATIONS DURING THE 90'S WHICH CAUSED MANY INTERNET COMPANIES TO GO BANKRUPT.

BTW, didn't a lot of businesses (Internet Co.) go bankrupt because of lax (NO) corporate regulation during Pres. Clinton/Democrat rule? So, how could Sen. Obama/Dem. call the Rep. stink when the same exact thing happened to them during the Clinton/Democrat rule?

Posted by: Dem AlsoStinks | September 18, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

THE REPUBLICANS asked Al GORE not to demand a recount, he was "polarizing AMERICA"

they asked him to ignore their actions, their dishonesty, their electoral fraud, thier bus load of protestors at DADE COUNTY HALL with bullhorns, screaming "stop the recount" or the fact that Katherine Harris was Jeb Bushes playmate....and spoke later of lying about facts because "god told her it was alright!" WTF


REPUBLICK CONNERS, said it was for the sake of the Country....right...


the REPUBLICK SCAMMERS asked Al GORE to not contest the vote count in FLORIDA....


they wanted James Baker the III, to get the right wing Supreme Court to give the presidency to George W. "he blows grown men as a thank you" Bush a job he didn't earn or win...

he stole it....

REPUBLICK CONNERS said that AL GORE was selfish and dividing the country.


was he?

how much did he get paid to perpatrate war fraud....not a thing, it wasn't on his itenerary....


What would AMERICA be like if Carter had had two terms?


WHAT IF Al Gore had had two terms?????


ENERGY PROBLEMS????


no, none....


HEALTHCARE ISSUES.....are you fricking kidding????


not likely


outsourcing would never have happened


and we would be enjoying European style cities instead of crime and depression...


AMERICA would still be the most respected nation on earth


and the TRILLIONS of dollars being poured in to WAR PROFITEERING HOUSEHOLDS and OVERSEAS would be being used to


upgrade AMERICA....

take out the trash and take their lives away financially....


make them pay.

make them pay.

make them pay.

.

Posted by: keep it up | September 18, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener | September 18, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

SEN. OBAMA HAS NO SOLUTION TO ECONOMIC PROBLEMS!


I watched Sen. Obama speech about fixing economy. Frankly, Sen. O has no solution. He babbles on and on about Rep. cause recession; therefore, Sen. McCain is responsible for making companies bankrupt, and Americans should remove all Rep. and place him in charge. However, Sen. O does not have an intelligent solution which will solve our problem. His energy proposal stinks, his wealth shifting tax policy stinks, and his record stinks; but most importantly he does not have a specific fix for bad corporate practices and regulation.

Posted by: Mr. NoSolution Obama | September 18, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Here is the truth though:

Obama and McCain Tax Proposals According to a new analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American families.

Obama's plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy.

* If you make between $66,355 - $111,654 you will get a tax break of $1,009 under McCain and a tax break of $1,290 under Obama.
* If you make between $37,596 - $66,354 you will get a tax break of $319 under McCain and a tax break of $1,042 under Obama.
* If you make between $18,982 - $37,595 you will get a tax break of $113 under McCain and a tax break of $892 under Obama.
* If you make up to $18, 981 you will get a tax break of $19 under McCain and a tax break of $567 under Obama.
* Now if you make 3 million a year McCain gives you the biggest tax break of all. 4.4%. ($66,000 only gets a 0.7 tax break under mccain.)
* If you make 3 million a year Obama is going to raise your taxes to what they were in the 90's.

Posted by: Daniel | September 18, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

let's be honest here...


we live in a set of ecosystems...


there is no mystery, no surprise, unless you count the stupidity of leaders who think with their metaphorical crotches and not with their eyes and minds...

for example: we could have made a deal for the OIL in IRAQ...


but then there wouldn't have been any big money for


Carlyle Group, Bechtel, Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, DynCorp, and others...


and certainly no NON COMPETE CONTRACTS AWARDED eh ???


so bushCO and CRONYs and COMPLICIT CONGRESS, creates a situation which will drain the nations economy at the very moment when the worlds populations are reaching points that will tip entire regions into famine....


these rich kids, who trash talk anything standing in their way...


could get away with it 100 years ago...the land could withstand their lies.

it's not possible any more.


We need leaders that do not pander to families or the corportocracy.


The US Economy is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

The Global Economy could use a good example of how to treat leaders who are ruthless in pursuit of personal gain at the expense of their citizens.


It would be good to see some whitehouse, executive branch members


brought down low, tried for treason and executed publically....


it would give others courage...and renewed hope...a reason to live, a little excitement....like a pig roast....


end the stupidity and cowardice.


remove these scum from having an effect on our lives,


take out the trash.


today.

Posted by: a reason to live.... | September 18, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

In my view conservative does not equal Republican. I think gov't has gotten way too big under Bush, we've severely screwed up our country's Middle East policy, we've put too many restrictions on people's freedoms, etc.

But, with all the programs Obama favors, I can't imagine that government will do anything but grow. Also, considering the large tax cuts he plans, I also don't understand where the money is coming from to pay for the free preschool, free college, mortgage bailout, etc. Even raising taxes on the super rich doesn't seem to be enough to cover it. Also, the super rich (which I am not) already have a huge tax burden even under the Bush administration by paying nearly 40% in federal income tax, which is expected to be pushed to 50%.

Posted by: Fiscal Conservative | September 18, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Fiscal Conservative | September 18, 2008 9:51 PM
======================================

Just curious how much money you think the Bush administration has borrowed from China, does your fiscal conservatism jive with that?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

let's be honest here...


we live in a set of ecosystems...


there is no mystery, no surprise, unless you count the stupidity of leaders who think with their metaphorical crotches and not with their eyes and minds...

for example: we could have made a deal for the OIL in IRAQ...


but then there wouldn't have been any big money for


Carlyle Group, Bechtel, Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, DynCorp, and others...


and certainly no NON COMPETE CONTRACTS AWARDED eh ???


so bushCO and CRONYs and COMPLICIT CONGRESS, creates a situation which will drain the nations economy at the very moment when the worlds populations are reaching points that will tip entire regions into famine....


these rich kids, who trash talk anything standing in their way...


could get away with it 100 years ago...the land could withstand their lies.

it's not possible any more.


We need leaders that do not pander to families or the corportocracy.


The US Economy is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

The Global Economy could use a good example of how to treat leaders who are ruthless in pursuit of personal gain at the expense of their citizens.


It would be good to see some whitehouse, executive branch members


brought down low, tried for treason and executed publically....it would give others courage...and hope...


in the fear the cowardice and the destruction of our values...


remove these scum from having an effect on our lives,


take out the trash.


today.

Posted by: take out the mutha fxxxing trash.... | September 18, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

To
Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 9:05 PM
==============================================

Let me explain what it is like to have a conscience since you were born without one or maybe it was sizzled out of your brain from having your ear too close to Limbaugh all day long.

Raising taxes on corporations so that they actually pay for their mistakes instead of the American taxpayer.
(or Don't send that CEO packing with 150 million, use it to shore up the bad investments we've made instead)

Making college more affordable for all, so not everyone ends up being as stupid as you.

Giving G.I.'s better health care and opportunities, because they deserve it.

Making health care affordable and breaking the insurance companies' death grip on the health of Americans, because quality of life should be a basic right.

Supporting women's equality and protection from morons like you.


Supporting Diplomacy instead of invasion, because you can't kill everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Having a world/environment that is livable and vital, because humans are not the only living organisms on the planet.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I see I have a little peeni e whipper

fan out there....


look my lad, you're too fxxxing stupid to be a match for me....

you wanna dance?

I'll be taking your girl home from the dance and baking her pudding good....

cheapskin.


Posted by: oh | September 18, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

is that there needs to be a little

blood letting,

we need to nail the presidente' and vice presidente'

before "pardon time,"

we need to indict them on criminal charges...

and put them into cells.


then after election, we need to hold public trials


where AMERICANS can express their outrage at having been butfxxxed

preferably with thedichcheeney and lbowjob bush in stocks...


on the mall......

then fix the country.

donchoo think?

Posted by: what needs to happen | September 18, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I remain an undecided voter, but am leaning toward McCain because I simply can't get comfortable with a number of things Obama thinks the government should provide and pay for. Examples include free preschool, free community college for everyone, huge credits for college, $10B to deal with foreclosures (including for people who were simply greedy and bought more house than they could possibly afford). I just don't think government should pay for all these things with taxpayer money. So, while I think Obama is a passionate candidate, and he's a great speaker, I can't get comfortable with his plan for the country.

Posted by: Fiscal Conservative | September 18, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I suppose you could say the US broke from Britain over the issue of taxes. No surprise, then, that it's still a hot button issue.

The part I don't get is why so many white males believe (according to polls) that Republicans will take better care of them than Democrats.

A number of theories have been set forth by those smarter than I. Among them:

1) the voters expect to win the Powerball and when they do, don't want to pay much tax on the jackpot.

2) shoveling money into the State lottery at least lets us believe we have a chance at a return, though we don't.

3) they're getting tax policy advice from Rush Limbaugh.

It's a mystery, all right. Like believing that John McCain would make a better commander in chief than Obama, even though he never commanded much of anything.

That's politics, I suppose.

Posted by: samson151 | September 18, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

a mutha fxxxing liar,

like his but buddy George W.,

they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.

SEARCH on Jeff Guckert, Gannon, Karl Rove, Lips Bush, Ken Mehlman head of RNC, all gay

to find out where your presidents lips have been and who has felt them on hir shaft

Posted by: cheezeuschristo.....


Hey man, get some class. You makin' me look bad.

But you do fit in with my regular supporters.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

what does the country need????

1. show the world the problem in prison.....nail bushCO and CRONYs with the middle east fiasco....

indict try convict and eviscerate....after a fair trial...imprison them and strip them of their properties and deals

2. make a deal for the oil

3. make the US of A economy a national security issue

4. make outsourcing a national security issue

5. spend money rebuilding the US of A infrastructure...


spend money manufacturing products in the US of A, and pay AMERICANs to make them...


require false ?AMERICAN? companies to pay import duties on things made by non US CITIZENs in other countries...


sue the war profiteers for redressment and refund of US Monies


Paul Bremer gave away $12 BILLION DOLLARS in bribes in shrink wrapped $100 DOLLAR BILLS....

367 METRIC TONNES of $100 dollar bills...


your money, given out in bribes....


whadyugetfodat mutha fxxxers?????


nada no thing jack????


dat's right


nothing....


fix you rcountry, put the perps in prison, and point at them.

back away from them slowly, and fix your country.

.

Posted by: so | September 18, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Why are you, "Conscience" and you, "Dave," still on the computer. Wasn't lockdown 15 minutes ago? Get back to your cell now. By the way, the Aryan Nation meeting's been moved to 10am tomorrow in the weight room. Goodnight.
________

"I have a bad feeling about Obama. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea of him as President. I'm much more comfortable with the McCain/Palin ticket. I feel that they are more in line with my values and feelings, so they get my vote."

Posted by: Dave


I have a bad feeling about Obama, too. He never listens to me.

I'm not comfortable with the idea of him as President, either. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, too.

He'd be real comfortable with the McCain-Palin ticket, too.

He's got the hots for that bi*ch in lipstick. He wants to vet that white mother! He likes that flat white booty. Can't get her out of his head.

Like that Hillary.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 8:38 PM

Posted by: Warden Joe | September 18, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Fiscal and Executive Mismangement

We've heard the GOP talking points that Sarah Palin has the most executive experience of any of the four candidates on either ticket. We've been told she's a reformer and fiscal conservative.


This is crap. Her record as mayor of Wasilla is horrendous.


When Palin ran for governor in 2006, the Democrats vetted Palin. Perhaps if the McCain campaign had done even a modicum of political vetting, they would see their attempts to spin and lie about her tenure would not hold up under scrutiny.


Since the reckless, out-of-control spending is what McCain likes to focus on by claiming he would veto pork barrel and wasteful spending to avoid piling up further debt, let's look at what Palin did to Wasilla's debt:


Debt Service Increased 69 Percent Under Palin. In fiscal 2003 — the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget — the total government debt service was $658,662. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget — the debt service was $390,385. The increase was 69 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 1]


Palin Left Behind Almost $19 Million In Long-Term Debt, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003 — the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget — the bonded long-term debt was $18,635,000. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—there was no general obligation debt. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 10]


Long-Term Debt Was $3000 Per Capita When Palin Left, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003 — the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the bonded long-term debt per capita was $2,938. In fiscal 1996 — the year before Palin took control of the budget—there was no general obligation debt. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 10]


When Palin Left Office, 6.24% of Government Spending Was On Debt Service, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the ratio of debt service to general government expenditures was 6.24 percent. There was no long-term debt before she took office. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 11]


Palin Signed Ordinance to Issue $15 Million in General Obligation Bonds and Increase the Sales Tax From 2 to 2.5 Percent. In 2001, Palin signed an ordinance authorizing the city to issue general obligation bonds in the principal amount of $14,700,000 to finance the acquisition and construction of park and recreation capital improvements. The ordinance also increased the sales tax from 2 to 2.5 percent and put the issue on the ballot. After it was adopted by voters, Palin signed an ordinance issuing the bonds. In 2002, Palin signed an ordinance putting the higher sales tax into effect. [Ordinance 01-55 (am), 12/10/2001; Ordinance 02-14 (sub), 4/8/2002; Ordinance 02-49, 8/12/2002]


Palin Was Accused By Stein of Overspending By Approving $5.5 Million Bond; She Replied that It Had Been Approved By Voters. "Now Stein is urging voters to turn the tables again. He’s accused Palin of overspending city money and has been particularly critical of a $ 5.5 million road and sewer bond passed last year by voters. He says the bond payments could make the city vulnerable should the economy turn down. Palin notes residents approved the bond, which she says was needed for critical road work." [Anchorage Daily News (Alaska), 10/5/99]


Palin Said the Reason for the Increased Cost of Government Was Interest on Bonds. "‘‘Sarah rode in on a conservative horse, but the actual cost of government has gone up,’’ he said. But Palin says most of the increase is due to the $ 400,000 in interest owed on the road and sewer bonds, a measure she notes the voters approved. Much of the rest is due to some positions now included in her budget that weren’t when she first took over, she said. Stein also criticized the $ 5.5 million bond package, which he said will cost too much to pay off and could make the city vulnerable should the economy turn down." [Anchorage Daily News (Alaska), 9/20/99]


Much of the extra debt and higher taxes Palin incurred for Wasilla came as a result of her decision to have the town build a sports complex. The Wall Street Journal has revealed how Palin - who is supposed to have such fabled management skills - screwed up the planning of the sports complex, thus leaving Wasilla in the poor fiscal situation it is currently in:


The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin's legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla...


Litigation resulting from the dispute over Ms. Palin's sports-complex project is still in the courts, with the land's former owner seeking hundreds of thousands of additional dollars from the city.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122065537792905483.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


What had happened was that Wasilla had negotiated to buy for $126,000 a plot 0f 145 acres from the Nature Conservancy. Because the city dragged its feet without securing a signed purchase agreement, a businessman named Gary Lundgren jumped in and negotiated to buy not only an adjacent lot but the lot that the city figured it had bought. The city sued to get their portion and won. Lundren appealed and because Palin once again mismanaged the land deal, never signing the proper papers, the same judge reversed his previous ruling and granted Lundgren the land. Before the judge reversed his ruling, Palin passed a March 2002 referendum, by a vote of 306 to 286, that increased the sales tax and issued $14.7 million bond. Under the assumption that the land deal was secure, the city cleared roads and installed utilities in preparation to build. After Palin left as mayor and the town realized it had built roads but had no land, the city took 80 acres of Lundgren's land through eminent domain, which an Alaska court approved, though ordered that an arbitrator determine the appropriate price:


Last year, the arbitrator ordered the city to pay $836,378 for the 80-acre parcel, far more than the $126,000 Wasilla originally thought it would pay for a piece of land 65 acres larger. The arbitrator also determined that the city owed Mr. Lundgren $336,000 in interest. Wasilla's legal bill since the eminent domain action has come to roughly $250,000 so far, according to Mr. Klinkner, the city attorney.


The argument the Republicans want to make about Palin's superior executive experience comes down to a quantitative argument: she supposedly has more years of elective executive experience compared to Obama or Biden (or McCain, if they were honest.) However, when we compare Palin's and Obama's (and McCain's) qualitative executive experience, Obama wins hands down. Palin left her small-town in relatively enormous debt after it had been debt free before her tenure. Her mismanagement is similar to the short-sighted and reckless impulsiveness that has characterized McCain's campaign (no wonder he calls her his "soulmate.") McCain's campaign has been one of boom and bust, with one management team after another, one different, contradictory message after another. Obama, on the other hand, has run one of the most organized and tightly run campaigns in modern American political history. His ground game is astounding while McCain's is pretty much non-existent.


Palin can mock Obama's community organizing but you can bet this community organizer (Obama) is gonna kick her pathological serial lying arse (Palin) come election day.


Posted by: Paige Palmer | September 18, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


SEARCH on Jeff Guckert, Gannon, Karl Rove, Lips Bush, Ken Mehlman head of RNC, all gay


to find out where your presidents lips have been and who has felt them on hir shaft


.


Posted by: cheezeuschristo..... | September 18, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's Conscience, I think your record player is broken, it keep playing the same ole' tune. Or maybe ur xerox machine needs to be repaired.

Posted by: an earthling | September 18, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

In case you missed it --

Today at a public campaign event, Ms. Todd Palin asked the crowd to support the "Palin-McCain" ticket. A "Palin-McCain" Administration. The crowd went totally nuts, yelling "Sarah, Sarah!"

There's more. Then when Palin finished her speech and Mac walked up to the podium to give his, about half the crowd left. True story. HuffPo reported the story but you had to see it on live TV on CNN. Palinmania!

Abraham Lincoln: "For score and seven years ago..."

Winston Churchill: "This was our finest hour."

Kennedy: "We are all Berliners."

Mac: "Where's Spain?"

Palin: "We must, we must, we must increase our bust, the bigger the better, the tighter the sweater, it all is up to us."

Posted by: Clark Kent | September 18, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Democrats:
TAX AND SPEND

Republicans:
TAX AND SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND

Posted by: Fred | September 18, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to lend the govt $1 trillion at low interest to buy bad loans? If the smart brains on Wall Street can't make money on these bad loans, how will the govt making money without purchasing bad loans at deep discount?

Posted by: rom | September 18, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Jesus was a community organizer.


George Bush is the anti-Christ.

Posted by: DrainYou | September 18, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Please help Obama's poverty-stricken extended family in Africa:

http://www.helpobamasbrother.org/


Posted by: Dae | September 18, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Karl Marx was a "community organizer," Ronald Reagan was a governor.

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008 9:18 PM

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Ohhh dave! workin this bumper sticker on two boards. Proud of ya champ...a short-cut to thinking on a massive scale. Sounds like Bush policy

Jesus was a community organizer
Pontius Pilot was a governer

Thanks for your gibberish you call a comparative model

Martin Luther King was a community organizer
Hitler was a governer


Ghandi was a community organizer
mussolini was a governer

hell lets just start pluggin in whatever

Do you have an intelleigent point to make?

Do you really think trying to equate being a community organizer to evil is a strong talking point?
Go back to lipstick on pigs. that might be more effective for you

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

The republicans have squandered every single penny the tax payers have given the government. McCain says he will not raise taxes. So how is the McCain government going to function. Is he going to pay from his own pockets. All these Billions of dollars used for bailout of these banks have to come from somewhere. With McCains head in the sand finance philosophy he is just a jerk to think he can get his administration to do anything to reverse the financial crisis our country is in. Not only that there is really no money left for security and terrorism and a whole slew of other things the government has to spend money on. McCain really has no plans for the future of this country.

Posted by: Scott | September 18, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin hired lobbyists to maximize her city's receipt of federal earmarks.

Sarah Palin supported the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it.

Sarah Palin LIED when she said that she refused the bridge earmark. Congress REVOKED the earmark.

Sarah Palin is a LIAR, so I don't trust her.

More Republican lies is not change.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieuA7nAOBXQ
.

Posted by: Palin/McCain = Nightmare on Wall Street and Main Street | September 18, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Karl Marx was a "community organizer," Ronald Reagan was a governor.

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse


http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

Has anyone seen this? As an independent, can I get a non-inflammatory, serious Republican-side take on why I, if I'm going to be getting relatively more jacked with McCain's plan, I should go with him? (PLEASE NO HYPER-LIBERAL PILE-ONS PLEASE, YOU GUYS SUPPORT PLENTY OF PROGRAMS THAT MAKE ME QUEASY ALONG WITH ONES THAT DON'T.)

***
I was the one that posted this hours ago and checked back. You know, I work in a hospital where I get furious watching hundreds dozens of illegal immigrants a month getting us to foot the bill for 4,5,6 pregnancies, so I'm no armchair liberal. At the same time, I'm a thinking fiscal conservative that judges a prez trying to democratize a bunch of sand dunes and sadists was an even worse idea (try Pakistan where Al Qaeda actually is).

To the racist lowlifes posting here, and it's pretty clear it's a few obsessed freaks - hope getting all that hate out feels good. Because it's not helping your cases with those of us mulling independents who will actually decide this and future elections.

Posted by: fillit | September 18, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

My greatest wish at this time is to let current McCain voters to know that if we have a Republican controlled White House in these crucial next four years and if a disaster strikes whether they be a hurricane or a pole shift, that they will make Hurricane Katrina look like nothing compared to how they would treat humans during the pole shift and after. Absolutely no aid but declaring martial law for each state or country hard hit by the shift which translates into giving up our guns for protection and a police state. The slow response from the government surrounding Hurricane Katrina was their attempt to declare martial law in New Orleans and 'take over' the state. Harmful thoughts was their primary focus.

If the Republicans can't declare martial law by their wish of a next terrorist attack (terror-wish) they will certainly declare martial law after the pole shift. This I worry greatly. Humans, primarily in the unconcious has the desire to support the dark agenda and feel that an experienced, stubborn, and violent candidate is 'suitable' for the job because they feel this is what defines politicians and needs a bully to feel safe from threats from other countries. People are forgetting that Republicans also consider citizens to be terrorists as well. Many McCain voters thinks that they would be safe from a McCain administration and yet this is actually the exact opposite in reality of their intention. Bush Administration wouldn't have proposed deadly chemtrails nor the deadly viruses which were all intended secretly against the human species.
West Nile virus and the Ebola virus and their source comes from a
field office of the CIA! Do the research.
I'm looking forward to aiding many after the pole shift and hopefully many will too.

Also..

REPUBLICANS HAVE A PLAN TO KILL ANY REMAINING HUMANS IN THE AFTERLIFE OR POLESHIFT

SO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE POLE SHIFT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTS TENURE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS WONDER WHY REPUBLICANS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN WANTING TO CONTINUE
AND EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM? TO SAVE US FROM TERRORITS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT TO TAKE CONTROL IN THE AFTERLIFE AND LOOK TO REMOVE ANYONE THREATENING THEM WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS.

REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT U.S. CITIZENS ARE THE TERRORISTS AND THAT THE TERRORISTS THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS BELIEVE IN ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THUS REPUBLICANS ARE A FRIEND TO TERRORISTS WHICH MEANS ONLY ONE THING. YOU ARE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST TO THEM BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEM AFTER THE POLESHIFT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT MATTERS NOT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONTINUTING TO EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POTENTIAL THREATS ON U.S. SOIL WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS. I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS DURING AND AFTER THE POLESHIFT ASSURES YOUR DEATH AND THESE COWARDS GOING TO THEIR BUNKERS WHILE ALL OF YOU SUFFER FROM STARVATION OR FROM DEHYDRATION. OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE COMING POLE SHIFT, HE JUST HEARD RUMORS AND I'M SURE THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BETTER HIMSELF AFTER THE POLE SHIFT BUT TO ONLY AID AND ASSIST THOSE IN NEED.

MCCAIN KNOWS OF THE COMING POLE SHIFT AND THIS MEANS TROUBLE. ITS FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN THIS NOVEMBER BUT THEN THEY INTEND YOUR DEATH AFTER THE POLE SHIFT FOR THOSE REMAINING THAT STILL SURVIVED.
I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. FOR MY FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY'S SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR THESE TWO FACE
IDIOTS. OBAMA IN MY DREAM WAS SHOWN AS A COMPASSIONATE MAN WHO LOOKED TO AID THOSE IN TROUBLE. THIS IS NO LIE.. AND IM NOT SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO ME IN MY DREAM.

HAS ANY OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES LIKE THIS IN THEIR DREAMS?

Posted by: Matt Steinberg PhD in Psychology | September 18, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit.

Michelle's hair flooded with Afro Sheen.

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open, brow furrowed, and a scowl of HATE across her face.

She’s ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar".

Fist pumping the air at a feverish pitch! I could just see it my friends..

Michelle has the church worked in to a frenzy screaming:

Yo Go Girl!!

Bring it Home Sister Obama!

They're jumping uoo and down, fist-pumping the air with Afro sheen flying off church windows.

The organ's cranking out some heavy D9 chords.

This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Adolf Hitler was a community organizer, Ronald Reagan was a governor.

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008 8:58 PM

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Jesus was a community organizer
Pontius Pilot was a governer

You=short-cut to thinking

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama’s tax plan REDUCES taxes for 88% of all Americans. Only the top 2% in the country receive a significant increase in taxes."

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 8:39 PM

Gotta tell you straight, man. He's lying. Just saying this stuff to get elected.

Then he gets into office and WHAM-BAM THANK YOU SAM!

You'll be paying so many taxes you'll be taxed on your taxes.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 8:45 PM

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I know
fear
fear
fear
hate
hate
hate

When faced with the actual tax policy of Obama you resort to calling it a lie. Thats all you have becides your typical repetative postings ridled with racism and factual innaccuracies. How about these lies?

Here are just some of the examples of why and how McCain has sold his soul, flip-flopped to garner conservative support, and lost all credibility in terms of his “straight talk” moniker. If completely reversing and changing your mind about issues, sometimes in a span of 24 hours, is straight talk, I guess McCain is straight up kooky.
* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
* McCain claims to have considered and not considered joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.
* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” He also praised the George W. Bush administration's handling of the crisis. His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
* McCain’s campaign unveiled a Social Security policy that the senator would implement if elected, which did not include a Bush-like privatization scheme. In March 2008, McCain denounced his own campaign’s policy.
* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
* In November 2007, McCain reversed his previous position on a long-term presence for U.S. troops in Iraq, arguing that the “nature of the society in Iraq” and the “religious aspects” of the country make it inevitable that the United States “eventually withdraws.” Two months later, McCain reversed back, saying he’s prepared to leave U.S. troops in Iraq for 100 years. On time tables for withdrawal - Republican John McCain, in a speech forecasting what the country would look like after his first term in office, said May 15th that he expects the war in Iraq to be won and most troops to be home by January 2013. The prediction marks a major departure for McCain, who railed against rival Mitt Romney shortly before the Florida primary for his remark in April 2007 that he thought President Bush and Iraqi leaders should privately discuss a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq. At the time, McCain suggested that the comment would embolden America's foes in Iraq. The Arizona senator leveled the same criticism at Democratic Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, stating that their advocacy for withdrawing troops from Iraq amounted to setting a date for "surrender."
* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.
* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.
* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
* McCain went from saying homosexual marriage should be allowed, to saying homosexual marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as well as Pastor John Hagee as “agents of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the men who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks, Katrina was God’s punishment on us for homosexuality, and that the catholic church was the “great wh*re”
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February 2008
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
* McCain flip-flops on Hamas-
"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another," he said at the time. "And I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice ...
"But it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."
January 2006 – John McCain
Then in May 2008 McCain labels himself Hamas’s “Worst nightmare” and vows to never negotiate with Hamas.
Here are just some of the examples of why and how McCain has sold his soul, flip-flopped to garner conservative support, and lost all credibility in terms of his “straight talk” moniker. If completely reversing and changing your mind about issues, sometimes in a span of 24 hours, is straight talk, I guess McCain is straight up kooky. Are these lies or just total confusion?

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Even if you accept the Laffer Curve (the economic model behind Supply Side Economics) there is little reason to believe federal taxes are too high and lots of reasons to believe they are too low.

The actual idea behind the Laffer model is that there are generally two different tax rates which produce the same amount of tax revenues, since excessive taxes hurt the economy. That is really a way of saying that there is an optimum tax rate which gives you the maximum return with the least damage. The problem with the model is that it has no numbers on it, so no one knows where on the curve any tax rate sits.

One way to figure that out which side of the curve we are on would be to see how well new tax cuts paid for themselves - according to the model, and reduction while taxes were too high would produce more new revenue than the amount of the cut, while if taxes were too low the new tax cuts would reduce revenues, though not as much as the sticker price of the cuts.

Well, the official results on the big Bush tax cuts have been in for years now, and they failed to fully pay for themselves, much less produce additional revenue. So by the Supply Side model, our (federal) taxes are too low, and are damaging the Government's ability to function without adding to the economy.

This is not rocket science, it's just using the fundamental model of Supply Side Economics to examine the facts: either the model is wrong, in which case Supply Side Economics is left without economic support, or it's right and the time for tax cuts is over.

Sorry guys: the party's over. It's time to pay the tab...

Posted by: DJ333 | September 18, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Adolf Hitler was a community organizer, Ronald Reagan was a governor.

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain this to me: Darth Vader could sense the Force in Luke Skywalker from miles away because Luke was his son. However, Princess Leia was his daughter, and he never sensed the Force in her, even though he was standing right next to her in Episode IV. What gives? I see an analogy here in modern politics - Joe Biden is portrayed by the press as some sort of experienced expert, but Sarah Palin's executive experience is ignored and overlooked. Barack Obama = Darth Vader. John McCain = Obi Wan Kenobi. Sarah Palin = Princess Leia. The good guys are Republicans. The bad guys are democrats. I'm voting McCain/Palin 2008/2012. Palin/Romney 2016/2020.

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Since the GOP teat suckers love to make things up, I'll give it a go:

John McCain wants to harvest the organs of each caucasian American between the ages of 14 and 59 to create a super race of NASCAR pit crew chiefs.

Posted by: Tit for Tat | September 18, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Do ya get it yet??
Like those rebates, or pay offs as they are usually called, mirrored as TAX REBATE incentives are nothing more than smoke and mirror cover ups for what the Bush and GOP Administration has been doing to this country,THEY HAVE SOLD THE USA OUT.Not only did the largest exodus of JOBS leave the US for foreign soil at sub standard wages, THEY ARE SENDING OUR MONEY TO BANKS OVERSEAS, even as we speak, the BAILOUTS are nothing more than the wealthy in the world SELLING AMERICA OUT.
I guess BRITAIN filally got its revenge, saw the GREED of the US economy( better known as the TOY of Wealthy America)and have been stripping the US of any value of any sort, even our NATURAL RESOURCES, the ones on our soil, have been slowly sold off to the oil and energy giants of the world.
If you think Republicans have Your best interest in mind, think again.When a Republican wants to spend tax money, it leaves the country, it doesnt create Jobs or Security in America.At least when a Democrat spends tax dollars, however foolishly, IT GETS SPENT HERE IN THE USA, not sent OVERSEAS to bolster other country's economys in hopes they will come back to us with a great Bargain, Fair trade agreements, base level savings to lower the cost of domestic goods.
The cost of living HAS INCREASED 20% under the GOP control,and most of those increases are on DOMESTIC Products, every day items LIKE FOOD< WATER<GAS for your car <FUEL for HEAT or ELECTRICITY,,all the things WE PAY OUT OF OUR POCKETS FOR...

Go ahead and VOTE for McShame, hope you have a SECOND JOB LINED UP,We'll all need one iff they get 4 more years

OBAMA/BIDEN 08

Posted by: Mullett | September 18, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The rise of Republican power in the last quarter century or so has to do with getting a large portion of the population to vote against its economic interests. The demise of Republican power has to do with people slowly learning that the Republican talking points were a big scam.

Barack Obama will reduce taxes for the middle class at levels over three times greater than will John McCain. Barack Obama will raise taxes on the upper class (over $250,000), but not to rates above what was seen in the nineties, when the upper class did very well. John McCain would give little tax relief to the middle class and would make the Bush tax cuts for the very rich permanent.

Posted by: steve clark | September 18, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

My greatest wish at this time is to let current McCain voters to know that if we have a Republican controlled White House in these crucial next four years and if a disaster strikes whether they be a hurricane or a pole shift, that they will make Hurricane Katrina look like nothing compared to how they would treat humans during the pole shift and after. Absolutely no aid but declaring martial law for each state or country hard hit by the shift which translates into giving up our guns for protection and a police state. The slow response from the government surrounding Hurricane Katrina was their attempt to declare martial law in New Orleans and 'take over' the state. Harmful thoughts was their primary focus.

If the Republicans can't declare martial law by their wish of a next terrorist attack (terror-wish) they will certainly declare martial law after the pole shift. This I worry greatly. Humans, primarily in the unconcious has the desire to support the dark agenda and feel that an experienced, stubborn, and violent candidate is 'suitable' for the job because they feel this is what defines politicians and needs a bully to feel safe from threats from other countries. People are forgetting that Republicans also consider citizens to be terrorists as well. Many McCain voters thinks that they would be safe from a McCain administration and yet this is actually the exact opposite in reality of their intention. Bush Administration wouldn't have proposed deadly chemtrails nor the deadly viruses which were all intended secretly against the human species.
West Nile virus and the Ebola virus and their source comes from a
field office of the CIA! Do the research.
I'm looking forward to aiding many after the pole shift and hopefully many will too.

Also..

REPUBLICANS HAVE A PLAN TO KILL ANY REMAINING HUMANS IN THE AFTERLIFE OR POLESHIFT

SO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE POLE SHIFT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTS TENURE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS WONDER WHY REPUBLICANS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN WANTING TO CONTINUE
AND EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM? TO SAVE US FROM TERRORITS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT TO TAKE CONTROL IN THE AFTERLIFE AND LOOK TO REMOVE ANYONE THREATENING THEM WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS.

REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT U.S. CITIZENS ARE THE TERRORISTS AND THAT THE TERRORISTS THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS BELIEVE IN ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THUS REPUBLICANS ARE A FRIEND TO TERRORISTS WHICH MEANS ONLY ONE THING. YOU ARE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST TO THEM BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEM AFTER THE POLESHIFT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT MATTERS NOT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONTINUTING TO EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POTENTIAL THREATS ON U.S. SOIL WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS. I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS DURING AND AFTER THE POLESHIFT ASSURES YOUR DEATH AND THESE COWARDS GOING TO THEIR BUNKERS WHILE ALL OF YOU SUFFER FROM STARVATION OR FROM DEHYDRATION. OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE COMING POLE SHIFT, HE JUST HEARD RUMORS AND I'M SURE THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BETTER HIMSELF AFTER THE POLE SHIFT BUT TO ONLY AID AND ASSIST THOSE IN NEED.

MCCAIN KNOWS OF THE COMING POLE SHIFT AND THIS MEANS TROUBLE. ITS FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN THIS NOVEMBER BUT THEN THEY INTEND YOUR DEATH AFTER THE POLE SHIFT FOR THOSE REMAINING THAT STILL SURVIVED.
I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. FOR MY FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY'S SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR THESE TWO FACE
IDIOTS. OBAMA IN MY DREAM WAS SHOWN AS A COMPASSIONATE MAN WHO LOOKED TO AID THOSE IN TROUBLE. THIS IS NO LIE.. AND IM NOT SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO ME IN MY DREAM.

HAS ANY OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES LIKE THIS IN THEIR DREAMS?

Posted by: Matt Steinberg PhD in Psychology | September 18, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"Obama’s tax plan REDUCES taxes for 88% of all Americans. Only the top 2% in the country receive a significant increase in taxes."

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 8:39 PM

Gotta tell you straight, man. He's lying. Just saying this stuff to get elected.

Then he gets into office and WHAM-BAM THANK YOU SAM!

You'll be paying so many taxes you'll be taxed on your taxes.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

AGAIN

McCain Versus Obama on Taxes

If you make 38-66K a year:
Obama: -$1,042 (tax decrease)
McCain: -$319 (Decrease)

If you make 66-112K a year:
Obama: -$1,290 (decrease)
McCain: -$1,009 (decrease)

If you make 227-603K a year:
Obama: +12.00 (Yes that’s a twelve dollar increase)
McCain: -$7,871 (decrease)

If you make 803K a year or higher:
Obama: +115,974 (increase)
McCain: -45,361 (decrease yes that DECREASE)

Obama’s tax plan REDUCES taxes for 88% of all Americans. Only the top 2% in the country receive a significant increase in taxes.
One of the richest men in the world Mr. Warren Buffet explains that his secretary has a higher tax rate then he does. Its time for the
richest among us to pay their fair share. We once threw tea into a harbor, we plan to do the same with McCain. Trickle down economics
is a colossal failure. Still McCain sticks to this economic model. No surpsise there. Nothing new, nothing will change and of
course if the “fundamentals of the economy are strong” (John McCain) then no change is needed. Disgusting.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The great thing about Sarah Palin is her youth and vitality. No matter what happens in this election, she will be a big thorn in the side of Democrats for the next 25 years or so. She pulls the rug out from under the whole left wing socialist mindset that encourages victimhood and dependence on government.

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"I have a bad feeling about Obama. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea of him as President. I'm much more comfortable with the McCain/Palin ticket. I feel that they are more in line with my values and feelings, so they get my vote."

Posted by: Dave


I have a bad feeling about Obama, too. He never listens to me.

I'm not comfortable with the idea of him as President, either. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, too.

He'd be real comfortable with the McCain-Palin ticket, too.

He's got the hots for that bi*ch in lipstick. He wants to vet that white mother! He likes that flat white booty. Can't get her out of his head.

Like that Hillary.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"SIGH"

I'm still having my existential crisis.

My doubly-rhetorical, vacuous, narcissistic existence is unhappy here.

I've realized that Washington is just a bad place to be... it took me a while to figure it out, too.

Washington is Hollywood, but for the Ugly People.

Hollywood is for the Beautiful People. But Washington has all these ugly, personally twisted people who go into politics.

And instead of paparazzi, we have the press corps, who are also hideously ugly versions of their glamorous cousins on the west coast.

And instead of groupies and cool teen fans, we have the loser freaks who get attached to politicians -- which is even more pathetic than regular groupies who go for real stars.

All these ugly, stupid people all over this place. I like pretty stupid people.

"SIGH"

What have I gotten myself into?


Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I have a bad feeling about Obama. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea of him as President. I'm much more comfortable with the McCain/Palin ticket. I feel that they are more in line with my values and feelings, so they get my vote.

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Dave - I'm so glad you can "feel" these things. It's so amorphous and could mean anything, which just does the job of producing anxiety even better. Of course I notice you don't offer fact-based examples to support your "feelings" - nothing that could be argued with, disproven even. Better to just let the doubt settle in, the second-guessing. No facts, just "feelings".

"Feeeeeeeeeliiiiiinnggs, o-o-oh, feeeeeeeeliiiiinnngs...!"

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

OK, if about 50% of the population thinks taxes will go up under Obama, and 34% think they will go up under McCain, it's not too much of a leap the assume that most of McCain's 34% are also a part of Obama's 51% (in other words, they think taxes will go up *whoever* takes office), which means there's probably only around 20% who think that ONLY Obama would raise taxes - and they are very likely to be part of that 20% of Americans who still think Bushie is doing a "heckova job."

I fail to see the danger to Obama in these ads.

Posted by: DJ333 | September 18, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"I'll start the collection for the "angry white hating" Ms. Obama if she'll shoot the tard saying he's Obama's conscience. This tard can't tie a dem's shoes, but he knows how to be nasty. Pathetic puke. Loser in November."

Posted by: chevy- i hate obama's conscience | September 18, 2008 7:58 PM

Ha Ha Ha! Can't you tell there's more than one of us here?

Barack Obama is a complicated liar... got more than one voice in his conscience speaking.

Ha Ha Ha!

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Like many others, I find it creepy how Obama says that he is going to "change the country" and "remake the world." While that's nice rhetoric, it really boils down to bigger entitlement programs, war on the business community, and higher taxes. I am one of those who believes America is on the wrong track, but that's because of creeping socialism, dependence on government, and an ever-growing sense of entitlement among left-wingers.

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"LOL Muslim Racist Hussein Obama is now down 3 point in NY as the Jewish vote swung towards McCain"

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU I'M NOT A MUSLIM!

I am a racist, tho.

Damn entitlement-minded white pigs in lipstick.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Lots of racism in the South, agreed. However, lets not forget that Howard Beach, Bensonhurst, and Crown Heights are all in the greater New York area. Abner Louima? Sodomized in New York. Amadou Diallo? Shot for OBEYING a cop's order by producing his wallet to get his ID, but because he was slow the sh!tkicker thought it was a gun. 41 bullets. Sean Bell? Shot the night before he was to be MARRIED because he produced a cell phone. Ducking in the car for cover just made the cops reload and shoot more because they thought (if those psycho paranoids we call "cops" can be said to think) that he was getting more ammo. Where did it happen? New Yooorrrkkk!

A lot's happened in the South since the civil rights era. There's still a lot of work to be done, but it has changed. The Klansmen who dragged James Byrd to death in Texas got the death penalty for murder (well two did; the third got life) - none of this "civil rights violation" BS.

So yeah, take the log out your own eye before you start digging for the mote in ours.

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Looks like I was generous with the one brain cell remark.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

DEM HUMPING NEWS

The WashingtonCompost ran 2 weeks of Headlines about Larry Craig tapping his foot in the mens room

This is the story of the year. John Edwards looking for sympathy votes announced his wife has terminal cancer and would stay in the race.

Meanwhile this lowlife scumbag while out pimping his dying wife for votes was out humpin some bimbo.

Without question this is the story of the year and shows just how low a Demorat will go to ascertain power.

It boggles the mind this bum would pimp his dying wife for votes while out humping some pig.

WashingtonCompost - You should be ashamed to refer to yourself as a legitimate news organization.

You're nothing more then an appendage of the DemoRat party

Barack Obama's Conscience - Bringing you up-to-date DEM Humping News

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

csrotum licker

have a nice day,

you know where you're going you'll be surrounded by peers.

.

Posted by: well........... | September 18, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, O's Conscience,

The KKK called...they need their one brain cell back.

It takes a single brain cell to make a village of racist idiots.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

An open letter to the community:

I renounce my stupidity and idiotic racism.
I apologize for being a moronic fascist troll.
I apologize for sitting at home doing nothing but carpet-post on multiple websites anti-Obama sewage, 8am-11pm, 7 days a week.
I ask forgiveness for being of no value to the world except to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide.
I admit that HRC is a narcissistic psychotic and I am ashamed to be associated with her and her politics of personal destruction.
I realize being an HRC harpie is not a virtue but a diagnosable disease that can be treated.
I know Obama is the best candidate because of his message of hope and I am sorry I have not seen that because of my lack of intelligence and idiocy.
I ask forgiveness from the international blogoshere and promise to do what I can to redeem myself.
From this point on, I will post only intelligent, unbigoted posts that respect the viewpoints of others.
I am a pathetic fool, but I was just born that way.
I know in my heart Mrs. Todd Palin is a clown.

New AsperGirl

Posted by: New AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

it's been a while since that little weener nipper


Scrotumondius Libby has been a round...


where you been hiding nibble taker?

.


hiding in George's closet playing pocket pool little boy ah


.

Posted by: well.... | September 18, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

only thing republick conners have is a deficit


of ability to offer the country...

how else would the richest country on earth,


be suffering what it is suffering right now????

unless the most incompetent and corrupt of peoples were in charge...


let's change that.


let's indict arrest try convict and shoot a couple


after a fair trial.

.

Posted by: the | September 18, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I'll start the collection for the "angry white hating" Ms. Obama if she'll shoot the tard saying he's Obama's conscience. This tard can't tie a dem's shoes, but he knows how to be nasty. Pathetic puke. Loser in November.

Posted by: chevy- i hate obama's conscience | September 18, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Stearm,

Red states won. but wait, it was the Republican party that attack the south, and has now convinced them to vote for the republicans against their own self interests.

Boy, this is confusing.

_________________


Ok, it is confusing, but if you look at the states, the red is now blue, and the blue was red. I mean see all this drunken racist posts here -they look Southerners to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit.

Michelle's hair flooded with Afro Sheen.

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open, brow furrowed, and a scowl of HATE across her face.

She’s ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar".

Fist pumping the air at a feverish pitch! I could just see it my friends..

Michelle has the church worked in to a frenzy screaming:

Yo Go Girl!!

Bring it Home Sister Obama!

They're jumping uoo and down, fist-pumping the air with Afro sheen flying off church windows.

The organ's cranking out some heavy D9 chords.

This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

My greatest wish at this time is to let current McCain voters to know that if we have a Republican controlled White House in these crucial next four years and if a disaster strikes whether they be a hurricane or a pole shift, that they will make Hurricane Katrina look like nothing compared to how they would treat humans during the pole shift and after. Absolutely no aid but declaring martial law for each state or country hard hit by the shift which translates into giving up our guns for protection and a police state. The slow response from the government surrounding Hurricane Katrina was their attempt to declare martial law in New Orleans and 'take over' the state. Harmful thoughts was their primary focus.

If the Republicans can't declare martial law by their wish of a next terrorist attack (terror-wish) they will certainly declare martial law after the pole shift. This I worry greatly. Humans, primarily in the unconcious has the desire to support the dark agenda and feel that an experienced, stubborn, and violent candidate is 'suitable' for the job because they feel this is what defines politicians and needs a bully to feel safe from threats from other countries. People are forgetting that Republicans also consider citizens to be terrorists as well. Many McCain voters thinks that they would be safe from a McCain administration and yet this is actually the exact opposite in reality of their intention. Bush Administration wouldn't have proposed deadly chemtrails nor the deadly viruses which were all intended secretly against the human species.
West Nile virus and the Ebola virus and their source comes from a
field office of the CIA! Do the research.
I'm looking forward to aiding many after the pole shift and hopefully many will too.

Also..

REPUBLICANS HAVE A PLAN TO KILL ANY REMAINING HUMANS IN THE AFTERLIFE OR POLESHIFT

SO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE POLE SHIFT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTS TENURE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS WONDER WHY REPUBLICANS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN WANTING TO CONTINUE
AND EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM? TO SAVE US FROM TERRORITS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT TO TAKE CONTROL IN THE AFTERLIFE AND LOOK TO REMOVE ANYONE THREATENING THEM WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS.

REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT U.S. CITIZENS ARE THE TERRORISTS AND THAT THE TERRORISTS THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS BELIEVE IN ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THUS REPUBLICANS ARE A FRIEND TO TERRORISTS WHICH MEANS ONLY ONE THING. YOU ARE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST TO THEM BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEM AFTER THE POLESHIFT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT MATTERS NOT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONTINUTING TO EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POTENTIAL THREATS ON U.S. SOIL WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS. I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS DURING AND AFTER THE POLESHIFT ASSURES YOUR DEATH AND THESE COWARDS GOING TO THEIR BUNKERS WHILE ALL OF YOU SUFFER FROM STARVATION OR FROM DEHYDRATION. OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE COMING POLE SHIFT, HE JUST HEARD RUMORS AND I'M SURE THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BETTER HIMSELF AFTER THE POLE SHIFT BUT TO ONLY AID AND ASSIST THOSE IN NEED.

MCCAIN KNOWS OF THE COMING POLE SHIFT AND THIS MEANS TROUBLE. ITS FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN THIS NOVEMBER BUT THEN THEY INTEND YOUR DEATH AFTER THE POLE SHIFT FOR THOSE REMAINING THAT STILL SURVIVED.
I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. FOR MY FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY'S SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR THESE TWO FACE
IDIOTS. OBAMA IN MY DREAM WAS SHOWN AS A COMPASSIONATE MAN WHO LOOKED TO AID THOSE IN TROUBLE. THIS IS NO LIE.. AND IM NOT SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO ME IN MY DREAM.

HAS ANY OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES LIKE THIS IN THEIR DREAMS?

Posted by: Matt Steinberg PhD in Psychology | September 18, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

It would be useful if Chris were in fact to summarize the facts regarding the Obama tax plan rather than refer the reader to a link to the CNN site: a tax increase for those making more than $250,000, a tax DECREASE for those making less. It is certainly true that the Republicans will try once again to pin the 'tax and spend' label on the Obama ticket. But Chris, rather than simply explaining their tactics and their past success in making this charge (i'll note without reminding readers that taxes are a means for investing in the health of our country and communities!) wouldn't it be a bit more 'fair and balanced' to point out the essence of Obama's plan before delving into the potential political efficacy of a false and exaggerated message? And wouldn't it be helpful to point out that good citizenship -- involving among other things, contributing a fair share to keeping this a vigorous and healthy society -- might be considered one marker of patriotism?

Posted by: sstrom | September 18, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, BOC, it's good to see you're at least environmentally conscious - you obviously believe in recycling lies from the past about Obama.

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Time out for a fact check:

O is up by 2-6 points in every national poll whose polling period recently ended within the last few days. Not a single poll shows Mac ahead. The electoral polls show O at 273, but they all assume he loses Florida, Virginia, and Ohio, which is possible but not likely.

Based on these polls, every respected commentator has said the Palin bounce has gone bust.

By the way, anyone who continues to insist HRC is campaigning FOR Obama should check out the bitter article today by Susan Estrich for Faux News, accessible from the Real Clear Politics.com site. Estrich is the Brigadier General of the lost tribe of the Hillarians. She speaks for you know who. In it (in my opinion), she trashes Obama, injects race into the analysis, and seems to root for O to lose. Again, in my opinion. Let's see. Race-baiting (the message: he can't win, you know, because he's black). Trashing Obama. Rooting against him. Sound familiar? Calling all Hillarians. Last boat to Borneo...Go away...No don't say anything else, just go...
______


LOL Muslim Racist Hussein Obama is now down 3 point in NY as the Jewish vote swung towards McCain

This race is OVER, forget the BS polls, there's no way in hell white america would ever put a Black created by a white woman in the WH.

Anyone feels differently is onk serious medication.

Who is Obama? Just look at the militant white-hating chuch he attended for 20 years.

Enuf said

Chevy - The NO-SPIN zone

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 7:29 PM

Posted by: Captain America | September 18, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit."

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:44 PM

Hey, Barack Obama's Conscience. It's spelled "Shaniqua".

JEEZ. Have some respect for our wife.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit.

Michelle's hair flooded with Afro Sheen.

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open, brow furrowed, and a scowl of HATE across her face.

She’s ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar".

Fist pumping the air at a feverish pitch! I could just see it my friends..

Michelle has the church worked in to a frenzy screaming:

Yo Go Girl!!

Bring it Home Sister Obama!

They're jumping uoo and down, fist-pumping the air with Afro sheen flying off church windows.

The organ's cranking out some heavy D9 chords.

This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM."

Hey, do me a favor and send me your deed as a donation before you off yourself and your family...

I want to throw another big party to my glory and highness. I estimate it at $8 million (inflation).

Better send the money soon. I sense a "pole shift" approaching.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Be patient everyone, there practicing for their 8th grade reading test! The spelling is still sub-par, but at least they have mastered the cut and paste tool!

There really needs to be a test before someone can vote! If you are an ignorant redneck, you must be able to competently discuss the issues, and you must be able to pass a reading comprehension test, or you won't be able to vote!

Why don't you try practicing that portion of the test now? Share your comprehension!

Posted by: valeries2cents | September 18, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit.

Michelle's hair flooded with Afro Sheen.

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open, brow furrowed, and a scowl of HATE across her face.

She’s ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar".

Fist pumping the air at a feverish pitch! I could just see it my friends..

Michelle has the church worked in to a frenzy screaming:

Yo Go Girl!!

Bring it Home Sister Obama!

They're jumping uoo and down, fist-pumping the air with Afro sheen flying off church windows.

The organ's cranking out some heavy D9 chords.

This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"SIGH"

I am having an existential crisis.

Truth be told, Barack never listens to me.

As Barack Obama's conscience, therefore, my existence is doubly rhetorical. And it's even harder to fill up my vacuous narcissistic emptiness as it is for him to fill up his.

The heady fun of the Temple of Obama Night with Fireworks in my Coliseum has already worn off. My empty rhetorical vacuous narcissism craves more.

Can I get an aircraft carrier named after me just for being First Black Presidential Candidate of a Major American Party?

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

OMG! Obama is down 100% among dead white southerners that have not voted in 50 years. If you look hard at the polling data conducted entirely in my head, mccain will be supreme imperial dictator for five minutes until I kill him and anoint Sarah as Moose Queen.

Posted by: chevy-pathetic retard racust republican shill | September 18, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit.

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face.

She’s ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar".

Fist pumping the air at a feverish pitch! I could just see it..

Michele has the church worked in to a frenzy screaming:

Yo Go Girl!!

Bring it Home Sister Obama!

The organ cranking out some D9 chords

This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

.


RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman

Political pundit Bill Maher last night accused the head of the Republican National Committee of being "gay."

Appearing on CNN's Larry King Live, Maher said it's an open secret in Washington that RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman is a homosexual and that he has "never denied" it.

Maher added that he plans to out at least three other closeted Republican officials – including "chiefs of staff" – on his HBO political show tomorrow night to show their hypocrisy in supporting traditional family values. He is host of "Real Time with Bill Maher."

King asked Maher if the charges have appeared "in print," and Maher responded affirmatively.

Rumors of Mehlman's sexual orientation first appeared last year in GQ magazine. The RNC denied the charge. "Ken Mehlman is not gay," said then-RNC official Steve Schmidt. However, when asked directly by "gay" publications, Mehlman has dodged the question.

Maher brought up the issue while addressing reasons Republicans lost Congress. He said the Mark Foley scandal hurt Republicans. Foley revealed his homosexuality last month after resigning his Florida seat over sexually graphic e-mails in which he allegedly solicited male pages.

Foley's former chief of staff Kirk Fordham was recently outed by the Los Angeles Times.

The FBI is investigating reports that another "gay" Republican lawmaker, Jim Kolbe of Arizona, engaged in improper behavior with male pages during a camping trip to the Grand Canyon.

Maher joked that GOP voters yesterday wanted to vote a straight Republican ticket but "nobody could find a straight Republican."

Last week, defrocked evangelical leader Ted Haggard confessed to having relations with a homosexual prostitute. Haggard met monthly with White House officials to discuss, among other things, a constitutional amendment banning "gay" marriage.

Mehlman also supports the amendment.

The White House took heat earlier in the administration for credentialing fake reporter Jeff Gannon of Talon News Service, a front for a group called GOPUSA. Gannon, whose real name is J.D. Guckert, turned out to be a homosexual porn star.

Some in Washington have charged the White House and Congress are run by a "Gay Republican Mafia."

Deputy White House chief of staff Karl Rove's adopted father, who died in 2004, was a closet "gay" who left his mother when Rove was a senior in high school.


Posted by: Karl a moonpie king....turd blossom....put it in and pull outa | September 18, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

.


Admin Bush 3.0:

ADMITTED GAYS Ken Mehlman and Karl Rove join McCain’s team



Ah, yes. I guess John McCain really doesn’t mind giving off the air of “more of the same” and “four more years.” Why not continue the record of success, prosperity and harmony embodied by the work of former RNC head Ken Mehlman and Bush mastermind Karl Rove.

The same crowd wants to install themselves into a McCain administration. If anyone out there is looking for anything remotely resembling change or a drop kick for business as usual, you need to move along - nothing new here at all. (Politico):


John McCain is getting much more than President Bush’s endorsement and fundraising help for his campaign. He’s getting Bush’s staff.

It’s no secret that Steve Schmidt, Bush’s attack dog in the 2004 election, and Mark McKinnon, the president’s media strategist, are performing similar functions for McCain now.

But other big-name Bushies are lining up to boost McCain, too.

Ken Mehlman, who ran Bush’s 2004 campaign, is now serving as an unpaid, outside adviser to the Arizona Republican. Karl Rove, the president’s top political hand since his Texas days, recently gave money to McCain and soon after had a private conversation with the senator. A top McCain adviser said both Mehlman and Rove are now informally advising the campaign. Rove refused to detail his conversation with McCain.

The list could grow longer. Dan Bartlett, formerly a top aide in the Bush White House, and Sara Taylor, the erstwhile Bush political adviser, said they are eager to provide any assistance and advice possible to McCain.

Posted by: hello WRold | September 18, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

feastorafamine gets it right!! the racist garbage that spews from the backwaters of a bygone america we get, the closer we get to the white house!! i work the phones for obama, and talking to racist rednecks just makes my day! i'm heading there right now for another four hour shift hick-hunting!! good sport, 'ya know!

Posted by: lonewolf | September 18, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit.

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face.

She’s ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar".

Fist pumping the air at a feverish pitch! I could just see it..

Michele has the church worked in to a frenzy screaming:

Yo Go Girl!!

Bring it Home Sister Obama!

The organ cranking out some D9 chords

This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I've seen many racial comments this evening. Comments like this from the religious right? Is this what Jesus would do? I am a Christian and have watched the Church suffer because of hypocrites like you.

Jesus is watching, and he will turn this evil you project into good!

Posted by: valeries2cents | September 18, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I really do doubt American will put a black liberal in the WH. Obama needs to be up by at least 5% on election day to have a chance of winning.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

The Gay Republican Mafia is evidently in control of the Party, even as they spin hard to avoid the obvious questions. How did so many closeted "conservative" gay men wind up in the upper echelons of the GOP? Should the GOP be called the Gay Old Party now?

With gay RNC chairman Ken Mehlman and the latest outing of fake reporter Jeff Gannon, a GOPUSA/ Talon News shill, the issue of Karl Rove has come out as well, so to speak.

"The thing I never understood about Karl Rove," writes Al Martin, author of "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider," "is that he’s not married, and I used to know this guy in the mid-1980s. He doesn’t look all that much different now than he did 20 years ago. But here’s a guy that looks like a cross between Humpty Dumpty and the Pillsbury Doughboy. I never saw him with a woman. He was never friendly with any women and never seemed to have any girlfriends or go out on a date or anything.

Martin continues his recollections -- "Karl would always hang around at the Rooftop Bar at the Mayflower, which is directly across the street from the White House where all the DOJ pretty boys, as they used to call them, would go after work for a drink.

And that’s always where Karl was...It’s odd that this guy has never married. He’s a bachelor. Usually in Bushonian circles, particularly when you’re close to the religious right, which Karl is and raises money from them, it’s almost obligatory that you be married and have kids.

In his column called "The Fairy Godmother Rules: Karl Rove and the Gay Republican Mafia," political analyst Al Martin examines the confluence of high ranking gay Republicans and their control of the Republican Party, especially when the Religious Right must be aware of this irony, as they continue to support the Bush-Cheney Regime.

"Fake journalist Jeff Gannon was outed last week," Martin writes. "'Jeff Gannon' is not his real name, yet he was able to get inside the White house press pool. How’s that for 'security'? Being a fake Bushonian journalist shill means never having to say you’re sorry. And so we have another story of another gay Republican so-called journalist, just like Armstrong Williams. Gannon, who real name is J.D. Guckert, finally admitted that Gannon wasn’t his real name and that Talon News Service was nothing more than a shill for another Bush front called GOPUSA."

"What’s important about all this is that it was nothing more than a shill organization for GeorgeBush.com, which is financed from a Texas-based Republican Christian group associated with Karl Rove. We are finally learning how extensive this is now. He said that there are hundreds of bogus news services and bogus newsletters that have been organized around GeorgeBush.com. In fact, he also noted how well coordinated Karl Rove (now the new Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove) has gotten it so there is now an entire industry to subvert news and to spin it.

The story gets even more intriguing when it becomes clear that "the White House credentialized fake news reporter Jeff Gannon from fake news agency Talon News and this was cited by the Washington Post as having the only access to the internal CIA memo that names Joseph Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, as a covert agent. Gannon referred to the memo, to which no other news outlet had access, according to the Post."

Supposedly Gannon has also been subpoenaed by the Federal Grand Jury looking into the Plame outing, though Gannon himself denies it.

Will there be a special investigation of Karl Rove and "Jeff Gannon" regarding the "outing" of CIA agent Valerie Plame?


Posted by: Karls under pants..... | September 18, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

My greatest wish at this time is to let current McCain voters to know that if we have a Republican controlled White House in these crucial next four years and if a disaster strikes whether they be a hurricane or a pole shift, that they will make Hurricane Katrina look like nothing compared to how they would treat humans during the pole shift and after. Absolutely no aid but declaring martial law for each state or country hard hit by the shift which translates into giving up our guns for protection and a police state. The slow response from the government surrounding Hurricane Katrina was their attempt to declare martial law in New Orleans and 'take over' the state. Harmful thoughts was their primary focus.

If the Republicans can't declare martial law by their wish of a next terrorist attack (terror-wish) they will certainly declare martial law after the pole shift. This I worry greatly. Humans, primarily in the unconcious has the desire to support the dark agenda and feel that an experienced, stubborn, and violent candidate is 'suitable' for the job because they feel this is what defines politicians and needs a bully to feel safe from threats from other countries. People are forgetting that Republicans also consider citizens to be terrorists as well. Many McCain voters thinks that they would be safe from a McCain administration and yet this is actually the exact opposite in reality of their intention. Bush Administration wouldn't have proposed deadly chemtrails nor the deadly viruses which were all intended secretly against the human species.
West Nile virus and the Ebola virus and their source comes from a
field office of the CIA! Do the research.
I'm looking forward to aiding many after the pole shift and hopefully many will too.

Also..

REPUBLICANS HAVE A PLAN TO KILL ANY REMAINING HUMANS IN THE AFTERLIFE OR POLESHIFT

SO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE POLE SHIFT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTS TENURE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS WONDER WHY REPUBLICANS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN WANTING TO CONTINUE
AND EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM? TO SAVE US FROM TERRORITS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT TO TAKE CONTROL IN THE AFTERLIFE AND LOOK TO REMOVE ANYONE THREATENING THEM WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS.

REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT U.S. CITIZENS ARE THE TERRORISTS AND THAT THE TERRORISTS THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS BELIEVE IN ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THUS REPUBLICANS ARE A FRIEND TO TERRORISTS WHICH MEANS ONLY ONE THING. YOU ARE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST TO THEM BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEM AFTER THE POLESHIFT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT MATTERS NOT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONTINUTING TO EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POTENTIAL THREATS ON U.S. SOIL WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS. I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS DURING AND AFTER THE POLESHIFT ASSURES YOUR DEATH AND THESE COWARDS GOING TO THEIR BUNKERS WHILE ALL OF YOU SUFFER FROM STARVATION OR FROM DEHYDRATION. OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE COMING POLE SHIFT, HE JUST HEARD RUMORS AND I'M SURE THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BETTER HIMSELF AFTER THE POLE SHIFT BUT TO ONLY AID AND ASSIST THOSE IN NEED.

MCCAIN KNOWS OF THE COMING POLE SHIFT AND THIS MEANS TROUBLE. ITS FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN THIS NOVEMBER BUT THEN THEY INTEND YOUR DEATH AFTER THE POLE SHIFT FOR THOSE REMAINING THAT STILL SURVIVED.
I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. FOR MY FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY'S SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR THESE TWO FACE
IDIOTS. OBAMA IN MY DREAM WAS SHOWN AS A COMPASSIONATE MAN WHO LOOKED TO AID THOSE IN TROUBLE. THIS IS NO LIE.. AND IM NOT SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO ME IN MY DREAM.

HAS ANY OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES LIKE THIS IN THEIR DREAMS?

Posted by: Matt Steinberg PhD in Psychology | September 18, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

An open letter to the community:

I renounce my stupidity and idiotic racism.
I apologize for being a moronic fascist troll.
I apologize for sitting at home doing nothing but carpet-post on multiple websites anti-Obama sewage, 8am-11pm, 7 days a week.
I ask forgiveness for being of no value to the world except to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide.
I admit that HRC is a narcissistic psychotic and I am ashamed to be associated with her and her politics of personal destruction.
I realize being an HRC harpie is not a virtue but a diagnosable disease that can be treated.
I know Obama is the best candidate because of his message of hope and I am sorry I have not seen that because of my lack of intelligence and idiocy.
I ask forgiveness from the international blogoshere and promise to do what I can to redeem myself.
From this point on, I will post only intelligent, unbigoted posts that respect the viewpoints of others.
I am a pathetic fool, but I was just born that way.
I know in my heart Mrs. Todd Palin is a clown.

New AsperGirl

Posted by: New AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL Muslim Racist Hussein Obama is now down 3 point in NY as the Jewish vote swung towards McCain

This race is OVER, forget the BS polls, there's no way in hell white america would ever put a Black created by a white woman in the WH.

Anyone feels differently is onk serious medication.

Who is Obama? Just look at the militant white-hating chuch he attended for 20 years.

Enuf said

Chevy - The NO-SPIN zone

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.. looks like a TN democrat state reps son involved in the palin email scandal... interesting...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

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RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman

Political pundit Bill Maher last night accused the head of the Republican National Committee of being "gay."

Appearing on CNN's Larry King Live, Maher said it's an open secret in Washington that RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman is a homosexual and that he has "never denied" it.

Maher added that he plans to out at least three other closeted Republican officials – including "chiefs of staff" – on his HBO political show tomorrow night to show their hypocrisy in supporting traditional family values. He is host of "Real Time with Bill Maher."

King asked Maher if the charges have appeared "in print," and Maher responded affirmatively.

Rumors of Mehlman's sexual orientation first appeared last year in GQ magazine. The RNC denied the charge. "Ken Mehlman is not gay," said then-RNC official Steve Schmidt. However, when asked directly by "gay" publications, Mehlman has dodged the question.

Maher brought up the issue while addressing reasons Republicans lost Congress. He said the Mark Foley scandal hurt Republicans. Foley revealed his homosexuality last month after resigning his Florida seat over sexually graphic e-mails in which he allegedly solicited male pages.

Foley's former chief of staff Kirk Fordham was recently outed by the Los Angeles Times.

The FBI is investigating reports that another "gay" Republican lawmaker, Jim Kolbe of Arizona, engaged in improper behavior with male pages during a camping trip to the Grand Canyon.

Maher joked that GOP voters yesterday wanted to vote a straight Republican ticket but "nobody could find a straight Republican."

Last week, defrocked evangelical leader Ted Haggard confessed to having relations with a homosexual prostitute. Haggard met monthly with White House officials to discuss, among other things, a constitutional amendment banning "gay" marriage.

Mehlman also supports the amendment.

The White House took heat earlier in the administration for credentialing fake reporter Jeff Gannon of Talon News Service, a front for a group called GOPUSA. Gannon, whose real name is J.D. Guckert, turned out to be a homosexual porn star.

Some in Washington have charged the White House and Congress are run by a "Gay Republican Mafia."

Deputy White House chief of staff Karl Rove's adopted father, who died in 2004, was a closet "gay" who left his mother when Rove was a senior in high school.

Posted by: Karl is a queen.... | September 18, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Shaniqua Obama got where she is today only because of affirmative action. Her ghetto credentials got her into the Ivy League - not her brains or lack thereof.

Her Ghetto credentials would include lips that belong on a #2 treble hook, flaring nostrils and hips a water buffalo would be proud of.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:23 PM

------------------------------
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOOOHOOOO!!!
Do you really think that your postings are influencing anyone? I encourage you to post as often as you can. You are by far one of the best Obama surrogates on this board. I would say go back to your Klan meetings but i think you are doing a much more effective job right here.
you=bumper sticker

Have anything meaningful to discuss?

If so I'm your huckleberry....

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

I'm sorely disappointed. You thoughtlessly repeated McCain's misleading talking points about Obama's tax cuts. Basically given substance to (let's not beat around the bush here) a lie.

Annepdx

Posted by: Anne Haley | September 18, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an incompetent at this point. He is almost incapable of communicating without saying something nonsensical. We don't need 8 more years of an embarrassment for a president.

Posted by: lsigalov1 | September 18, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


SEARCH on Jeff Guckert, Gannon, Karl Rove, Lips Bush, Ken Mehlman head of RNC, all gay


to find out where your presidents lips have been and who has felt them on hir shaft


.

Posted by: chevy a sausage sucker from N.C. | September 18, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"Have anything meaningful to say except your cut and paste lies? Care to debate policy or the merits of you ridiculous assertions? Probably not....you are a short-cut to thinking."

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 7:12 PM


Ha Ha Ha! "Cut and paste lies"! Ha Ha Ha!

Cut and paste, HELL no. Hey man, don't you know?

Chocolate melt in your mouth not in your hand!

I'm TELEPROMPTER MAN!!!

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Shaniqua Obama got where she is today only because of affirmative action. Her ghetto credentials got her into the Ivy League - not her brains or lack thereof.

Her Ghetto credentials would include lips that belong on a #2 treble hook, flaring nostrils and hips a water buffalo would be proud of.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I've been away from the computer for a few hours. I see the 8th grade reading level group has joined us!

I did see the recent polls that show Obama is on top again. I knew the momentum would die down after the republicans lies were exposed. Good news!

I was just listening to McCain on CBS talking about how he was against regulation before he was for regulation... and how he said the economy was strong , but what he meant was the American workers are strong... It is funny to see the tenseness in his face as he attempts to clear up the misunderstandings. Oh he still wants less government, but now realizes we need more government on Wall St.

I used the most basic 8th grade language I could.. hope you understand!

Posted by: valeries2cents | September 18, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

TARGETING OF U.S. CITIZENS BY GOV’T AGENCIES:
A ROOT CAUSE OF WALL ST. MELTDOWN?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

Posted by: scrivener | September 18, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

More lies from Caribou Barbie..

This woman is sick in the head.


Records culled from the archives of the Wasilla, Alaska, city government reveal that Palin was directly involved in soliciting millions of dollars in earmarks for Wasilla when she was mayor. And she got help from a well-connected Washington lobbyist.


In a monthly status report to the city on March 7, 2000, newly hired "City Lobbyist" Steve Silver describes how the Palin administration had requested $6.6 million in federal earmarks for water and sewer improvements for Wasilla, and another $1 million for police equipment. Mayor Palin reviewed and signed the lobbyist's report, dated April 5, 2000.


Those earmark requests have not previously been disclosed, said Keith Ashdown, chief investigator for the non-profit Taxpayers for Common Sense, a budget watchdog group. Ashdown said the lobbyist's report offers a rare window into a normally closed-door process. "The document you've found is a peek behind the curtain of how earmarks get approved in Washington," he said.


"This further confirms that Palin was very supportive of the earmark system," Ashdown said. "She was getting very specific feedback from this lobbyist."
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http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/17/1413605.aspx
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Posted by: Stacey Hill | September 18, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

the new oil deal will put money into each Iraqis pocket...


what do you think of the fact that that is what the current NATIONALIZATION OF OIL IN IRAQ already does...

Nationalization means that it belongs to the people...


including CHEVRON EXXON-MOBIL SHELL BP SAUDIS and whoever else to recieve IRAQI OIL MONEY,


doesnt help the IRAQ people it helps bushcheneyricerumsfeldbakerINC...

OIL IS WHY THE US INVADED IRAQ...


_THIS_ is what BUSH WANTED TO BE HERE FOR...


this deal this is his whole reason for using homophobia WMD WTC and those other ploys....

to steal the Iraqi oil from the people...that is what the invasion of Iraq is about...

they dont need United States and British intervention killing them....


their country was in stasis , in embargo... with water and electricity...


you are a liar if you are saying _they_ need this...


george w. bush and george h.w. bush and rumsfeld and cheney and baker need this... the American people dont need it either... we need to NATIONALIZE BIG OIL HERE...

BIG OIL IS interfering with DEMOCRACY , and


we need to arrest the EXECUTIVE BRANCH FOR FRAUD...heh heh heh....

after we tie them down in some creosote bushes where the javelinas run for a couple of nights....


just kidding, I would give them a fair trial and hang them and then put their bodies out to be reclaimed by mother nature in a west texas arboreteum.

.

Posted by: challenges to dishonesty | September 18, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Shaniqua Obama got where she is today only because of affirmative action. Her ghetto credentials got her into the Ivy League - not her brains or lack thereof. Her Ghetto credentials would include lips that belong on a #2 treble hook, flaring nostrils and hips a water buffalo would be proud of.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I think Republicans must think that the country can just declare bankruptcy and default on all our debt. Otherwise, why do they think they'll be better off tax-wise with McCain? Spending during the Bush years as a share of the GNP was much higher than it was even during the early Clinton years when Democrats ran everything. Bush WASTED trillions of dollars - imagine what we could do if we had that money back! One trillion dollars for a war that we never needed to fight, in Iraq. All these bailouts, which never would have happened if we had competent people in charge, will end up costing at least another trillion. Probably more, with the news today that the US is going to systematically bail out banks. What did we get for all this - Absolutely nothing! No improved education - no improved health care - in fact, it's worse, now we can't even keep our infrastructure intact, or repair damage from natural disasters. But we are going to have to pay for it! And all the supposed lower taxes we've benefited from? We didn't benefit - the rich did! And we borrowed ALL the money to give to the rich - I have news for you WE STILL OWE EVERY CENT OF IT WITH INTEREST!

The other thing Republicans have done is that we have totally lost control of our own destiny. We did not have a choice not to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. China pretty much told us we didn't have a choice. They've invested heavily and don't want to take a hit - and we still borrow too much money from them, we can't afford to make them mad. How far we have fallen. When are we going to pick ourselves up, dammit!

You think we can keep evading this for ever? No - the tax bill will come due and the middle class will pay it. So why don't we stop running up billions more, while the Iraqi government dithers, and why don't we get some real competent leadership, not McCain and Palin (can you imagine her answering the phone at 3AM, she'd probably think it was an invitation to a moose hunt), so we can stop flushing further trillions down the toilet! Then we can start paying DOWN the debt, like we did during the Clinton years, and start reducing these useless interest payments as well. True Patriots will not let us continue selling our country lock, stock and barrel to the Chinese, like the Republicans have been doing ever since Bush took office!

Posted by: orrg1 | September 18, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Stearm,

Red states won. but wait, it was the Republican party that attack the south, and has now convinced them to vote for the republicans against their own self interests.

Boy, this is confusing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.

Posted by: aspergate | September 18, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

My greatest wish at this time is to let current McCain voters to know that if we have a Republican controlled White House in these crucial next four years and if a disaster strikes whether they be a hurricane or a pole shift, that they will make Hurricane Katrina look like nothing compared to how they would treat humans during the pole shift and after. Absolutely no aid but declaring martial law for each state or country hard hit by the shift which translates into giving up our guns for protection and a police state. The slow response from the government surrounding Hurricane Katrina was their attempt to declare martial law in New Orleans and 'take over' the state. Harmful thoughts was their primary focus.

If the Republicans can't declare martial law by their wish of a next terrorist attack (terror-wish) they will certainly declare martial law after the pole shift. This I worry greatly. Humans, primarily in the unconcious has the desire to support the dark agenda and feel that an experienced, stubborn, and violent candidate is 'suitable' for the job because they feel this is what defines politicians and needs a bully to feel safe from threats from other countries. People are forgetting that Republicans also consider citizens to be terrorists as well. Many McCain voters thinks that they would be safe from a McCain administration and yet this is actually the exact opposite in reality of their intention. Bush Administration wouldn't have proposed deadly chemtrails nor the deadly viruses which were all intended secretly against the human species.
West Nile virus and the Ebola virus and their source comes from a
field office of the CIA! Do the research.
I'm looking forward to aiding many after the pole shift and hopefully many will too.

Also..

REPUBLICANS HAVE A PLAN TO KILL ANY REMAINING HUMANS IN THE AFTERLIFE OR POLESHIFT

SO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE POLE SHIFT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTS TENURE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS WONDER WHY REPUBLICANS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN WANTING TO CONTINUE
AND EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM? TO SAVE US FROM TERRORITS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT TO TAKE CONTROL IN THE AFTERLIFE AND LOOK TO REMOVE ANYONE THREATENING THEM WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS.

REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT U.S. CITIZENS ARE THE TERRORISTS AND THAT THE TERRORISTS THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS BELIEVE IN ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THUS REPUBLICANS ARE A FRIEND TO TERRORISTS WHICH MEANS ONLY ONE THING. YOU ARE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST TO THEM BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEM AFTER THE POLESHIFT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT MATTERS NOT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONTINUTING TO EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POTENTIAL THREATS ON U.S. SOIL WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS. I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS DURING AND AFTER THE POLESHIFT ASSURES YOUR DEATH AND THESE COWARDS GOING TO THEIR BUNKERS WHILE ALL OF YOU SUFFER FROM STARVATION OR FROM DEHYDRATION. OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE COMING POLE SHIFT, HE JUST HEARD RUMORS AND I'M SURE THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BETTER HIMSELF AFTER THE POLE SHIFT BUT TO ONLY AID AND ASSIST THOSE IN NEED.

MCCAIN KNOWS OF THE COMING POLE SHIFT AND THIS MEANS TROUBLE. ITS FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN THIS NOVEMBER BUT THEN THEY INTEND YOUR DEATH AFTER THE POLE SHIFT FOR THOSE REMAINING THAT STILL SURVIVED.
I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. FOR MY FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY'S SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR THESE TWO FACE
IDIOTS. OBAMA IN MY DREAM WAS SHOWN AS A COMPASSIONATE MAN WHO LOOKED TO AID THOSE IN TROUBLE. THIS IS NO LIE.. AND IM NOT SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO ME IN MY DREAM.

HAS ANY OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES LIKE THIS IN THEIR DREAMS?

Posted by: Matt Steinberg PhD in Psychology | September 18, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.

SEARCH on Jeff Guckert, Gannon, Karl Rove, Lips Bush, Ken Mehlman head of RNC, all gay

to find out where your presidents lips have been and who has felt them on hir shaft


.

Posted by: chevy a sausage sucker from N.C. | September 18, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit.

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face.

She’s ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar".

Fist pumping the air at a feverish pitch! I could just see it..

This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

basementfrog

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

everything that john mcbush said about increases in energy costs etc. is true. why? because it has already happened or is happening under the watchful eye of the working mans mortal enemies: THE REPUBLICANS!!! anyone who has any clue whatsoever about taxes knows that someone will end up paying not only for seven years of war (six of which were entirely unneccesary) but also for the milton friedmanistic bail-out of the ultra-wealthy. will it be mcbushes friends? not hardly. it will be the blue collar american workers that mcsame has suddenly fallen in love with. seems to me that mcpudding and cupcake are running neck and neck with eachother as to who can tell the biggest whoppers. KARL ROVE MUST BE VERY PROUD. NOW LISTEN UP, GUYS AND GALS!! I'LL GET A CLUE ON THIS AS SOON AS I FIND THE IRAQ-KUWAIT BORDER ON THE MAP!! how truly sad. no wonder obama will win. and it will be by default.

Posted by: lonewolf | September 18, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Shaniqua Obama got where she is today only because of affirmative action. Her ghetto credentials got her into the Ivy League - not her brains or lack thereof. Her Ghetto credentials would include lips that belong on a #2 treble hook, flaring nostrils and hips a water buffalo would be proud of.

Barack Obama's Conscience

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Poster of "Barack Obama's Conscience"

=fear mongerer
=hate speech
=liar
=a propaganda bumper sticker printed onto a broken record and played ad nauseum.

Have anything meaningful to say except your cut and paste lies? Care to debate policy or the merits of you ridiculous assertions? Probably not....you are a short-cut to thinking.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his butbuddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.

John McCain is GeorgeyW's azzmonkey

Posted by: dicks "lips" | September 18, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

It is truly a shame that McCain's ad are so full of... lies. So much for shooting straight. He gives anyone who respected him no choice any longer.

Posted by: michael4 | September 18, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit.

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face.

She’s ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar".

Fist pumping the air at a feverish pitch! I could just see it..

This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

basementfrog

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. "

Jeremiah? That you, Rev? Wasssup!

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

^^^ What if Obama's Conscience Spoke at the Same Time He Did? ^^^
^^^ Annotated transcript of Obama's Nomination Acceptance Speech ^^^

>>"Four years ago, I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."

--Four years ago, I laid a big one on you out of my fictionalized life story that I made about my drunken, polygamist, already-married Kenyan father who knocked up my then-17-year-old mother and then abandoned us.

>>"It is that promise that has always set this country apart -- that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one American family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well."

--And where people like me can get ahead on racial preference and affirmative action, so that we advance without ever actually doing anything resembling hard work and sacrifice like you people!

>>"It is why I stand here tonight. Because for 232 years, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women -- students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors -- found the courage to keep it alive."

--And support my undeserved advancement and also pay for my racial preference scholarships and all the gravy train that has come my way over the years! The donations of millions of african american supporters -- students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors -- paid my campaign the $6 million that it cost to move my nominating night event from the Pepsi arena to Invesco field in the Temple of Obama!

>>"We meet at one of those defining moments -- a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more."

--And the Democratic party is nominating a president with no experience or qualifications that might make him a credible executive!! I couldn't get hired to run a factory!! Ha Ha!

>>"Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can't afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay and tuition that is beyond your reach"

--And yet you have sent $400 million to my presidential campaign! That I keep spending on helping the voters get to know me better! As if that's the problem! What suckers!

*************************
In David Mendell's 2007 biography, Obama, it was reported that Obama was a B student whose grades slipped so far below a B at High School that in his final year his grandmother feared he would not get into a university. The chapter ends with him being accepted into Occidental on a full scholarship.

The NYT has published a letter written by Obama in 1990, that discusses his own experiences with affirmative action.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/politics/03affirmative.html?_r=2&em=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin)

Mr. Obama quote: “[I] undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in [my] own academic career.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

..an education...oops

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear Educated-redneck,

Is that what you call and education.

LOL, pal, no wonder were screwed by red state citizens voting against their own self interests.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

My greatest wish at this time is to let current McCain voters to know that if we have a Republican controlled White House in these crucial next four years and if a disaster strikes whether they be a hurricane or a pole shift, that they will make Hurricane Katrina look like nothing compared to how they would treat humans during the pole shift and after. Absolutely no aid but declaring martial law for each state or country hard hit by the shift which translates into giving up our guns for protection and a police state. The slow response from the government surrounding Hurricane Katrina was their attempt to declare martial law in New Orleans and 'take over' the state. Harmful thoughts was their primary focus.

If the Republicans can't declare martial law by their wish of a next terrorist attack (terror-wish) they will certainly declare martial law after the pole shift. This I worry greatly. Humans, primarily in the unconcious has the desire to support the dark agenda and feel that an experienced, stubborn, and violent candidate is 'suitable' for the job because they feel this is what defines politicians and needs a bully to feel safe from threats from other countries. People are forgetting that Republicans also consider citizens to be terrorists as well. Many McCain voters thinks that they would be safe from a McCain administration and yet this is actually the exact opposite in reality of their intention. Bush Administration wouldn't have proposed deadly chemtrails nor the deadly viruses which were all intended secretly against the human species.
West Nile virus and the Ebola virus and their source comes from a
field office of the CIA! Do the research.
I'm looking forward to aiding many after the pole shift and hopefully many will too.

Also..

REPUBLICANS HAVE A PLAN TO KILL ANY REMAINING HUMANS IN THE AFTERLIFE OR POLESHIFT

SO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE POLE SHIFT IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTS TENURE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS WONDER WHY REPUBLICANS BUSH AND NOW MCCAIN WANTING TO CONTINUE
AND EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM? TO SAVE US FROM TERRORITS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT TO TAKE CONTROL IN THE AFTERLIFE AND LOOK TO REMOVE ANYONE THREATENING THEM WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS.

REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT U.S. CITIZENS ARE THE TERRORISTS AND THAT THE TERRORISTS THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS BELIEVE IN ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THUS REPUBLICANS ARE A FRIEND TO TERRORISTS WHICH MEANS ONLY ONE THING. YOU ARE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST TO THEM BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEM AFTER THE POLESHIFT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT MATTERS NOT. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONTINUTING TO EXPAND THE SPYING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POTENTIAL THREATS ON U.S. SOIL WHICH INCLUDES THE U.S. CITIZENS. I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS DURING AND AFTER THE POLESHIFT ASSURES YOUR DEATH AND THESE COWARDS GOING TO THEIR BUNKERS WHILE ALL OF YOU SUFFER FROM STARVATION OR FROM DEHYDRATION. OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE COMING POLE SHIFT, HE JUST HEARD RUMORS AND I'M SURE THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BETTER HIMSELF AFTER THE POLE SHIFT BUT TO ONLY AID AND ASSIST THOSE IN NEED.

MCCAIN KNOWS OF THE COMING POLE SHIFT AND THIS MEANS TROUBLE. ITS FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN THIS NOVEMBER BUT THEN THEY INTEND YOUR DEATH AFTER THE POLE SHIFT FOR THOSE REMAINING THAT STILL SURVIVED.
I HAVE A FAMILY WITH 5 KIDS AND I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE IN DANGER EVEN IF I SURVIVE THE POLE SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SPYING PROGRAM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A DREAM ABOUT THIS EXACT EVENT LAST NIGHT POTENTIALLY HAPPENING. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT AND IT FELT SO REAL. I WAS ALSO SHOWN JOHN MCCAIN AND PALIN TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL THE HUMAN POPULATION AND HOW TO WEED THEM OUT THROUGH VARIOUS DISEASES. FOR MY FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY'S SAKE DON'T VOTE FOR THESE TWO FACE
IDIOTS. OBAMA IN MY DREAM WAS SHOWN AS A COMPASSIONATE MAN WHO LOOKED TO AID THOSE IN TROUBLE. THIS IS NO LIE.. AND IM NOT SAYING THIS JUST BECAUSE I LIKE ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO ME IN MY DREAM.

HAS ANY OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES LIKE THIS IN THEIR DREAMS?

Posted by: Matt Steinberg PhD in Psychology | September 18, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Dear Tree Top Flyer,

Well, in California we'll have to speak to our Governor, then.

We want some of the corporate-profits-for the-citizens program.

PG&E also dams our rivers, and lumber companies cut our trees, and....

Gee, we can all sit back and collect the profits of the corporations.

Hum, I wonder why they keep moving our jobs overseas?

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, all the hate crazies are out today, talking like manic freaks...

I don't even want to be here! Send me your money, but stay far, far away from me!

Ha Ha! I wouldn't hang out with any of these hate-speech-loser supporters of mine on this board. That's funny! Ha Ha!

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, John McCain's VP:

(1) is hotter than me

(2) has a better smile and personality than me

(3) has a higher popularity in her state than me
(4) gives a great damn speech without a teleprompter
(5) has mayor of a small town against my "community organizer"

(6) has council member, mayor and governor against my senate seats
(7) has a spouse with a nicer booty than mine's got
(8) wasn't created by a drunken, polygamist, already-married father who abandoned her teenaged mother

(9) got ahead on her own instead of on affirmative action and racial preferences

(10) has an actual political philosphy and governance approach

(11) has a record of action that she can point to, to show her leadership priorities and character
(12) has a better basketball trophy than I ever won!

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 6:19 PM

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1-pointless observation with more to come

2-pointless observation with more to come

3-Has a higher popularity in a state smaller than the city of chicago. WOW!People LOVE Michale Bolton too. he sold a ton of records. Doesnt make that any good either.

4-Gives all her speeches WITH teleprompter. In fact gives the SAME exact speech riddled with lies with a teleprompter over and over.

5-Milked the Federal Government for huge series of earmarks, by using Jack Abramoff lobbyists. The highest per capita earmarker in the nation: Palin (27 Million for a town of 6500)Left her town Mayoralty with a huge debt, having outspent all around in her (21 MILION in debt)

6-Has baking cookies for PTA, mayor of town of 7 thousand and Governor of State smaller than city of chicago.

7-If Tod Palin's booty is nicer than Michelle Obama's then you must either be (a)gay (b)a woman or (c) Mr. Magoo like John McCain

8-Wasnt created by moose hunting rednecks intent on ruling the world with a bible, a bumper sticker and failed family values platform

9-Got ahead on her own by politicizing a mayoral election usually decided by issues like adding roads or cutting areas of timber instead her talking points of gays, guns and abortion. Was then tapped as VP after one single phone conversation.(By the way Obama never benefitted from affirmitvie action..source it!)

10-Oh we all KNOW her kooky scary political philosphy. do you? Too bad she doesnt know it herslef except for the RNC talking points.

11-Only thing she has show in her govermenece is debt, earmarks, cronyism, right wing idealogy and fiscal failure.

12-Yet again back to pointless observation with more to come

nice little list. Care to actually discuss anything in terms of policy? Anything meaningful or want to talk about lipstick on pigs?

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

People dont get how few people live in alaska. Imagine if bears outnumbered the population by two to one. The permanent fund is divided by this small population.
Thats why each citizen gets two grand a year.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Posted by: The Real McCain | September 18, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

HI i am a blond gold digger from jersey who made a pile of money in tele communications, i married a rothchild of banking fame now i am a baroness darling...
i was for hillary because her husband helped deregulate the banks in 95.
obama wants to stop that and ol dim bulb mccain will do what we ELITE RACIST bankers want.
so i am now for mccain that mean ol obama wants to tax my dear little BILLION DOLLAR INCOME. i will stomp my feet and hold my breath.
sure its true that obama had school loans lived on food stamps worked hard gave back to the community,
i still say he is an elitist because,
he wants MY MONEY,
my rich gold digger money well he cant have it.
i live in britain i am a baroness darlings...........
etc etc
substitute any and all rich racist republicans for her they all sound the same mccains wife comes to mind.

Posted by: JudgeAlan | September 18, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain shut your mouth about the SEC Chairman

How dare you state you would fire him but offer no evidence that the financial crisis is his fault. It's not his fault you idiot, it's your lib buddies in Congress.

BTW you really sound old today, I think you're dying.

Benedict McCain thanks to Sarah Baracua we have this thing won, just keep your mouth shut and start looking for a comfortable permanent resting place.

Chevy - Educated Redeck

Posted by: Chevy | September 18, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

During the 2007 energy crisis, Gov. Palin raised taxes on oil companies to $49 per barrel.

At the time Gov. Palin was giving this money away $751 million to the citizens of Alaska, she was bilking the U.S. government for $256 million in earmarks. Yes, it’s true.

All this in an economically difficult period for the government and most American families. Wow, a real loyal American citizen. The kind of selfish, I’d say.

Over the course of 2007, Palin fought to raise taxes on oil companies. As fuel prices skyrocketed, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits. The increase amounted to an estimated $1.6-billion annually more for the state. Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before.

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

"Senator McCain said Governor Palin ‘learned that earmarks are bad’, but in 2008 alone Gov. Palin requested $256 million in earmarks for Alaska, and her state received more earmarks per person that any other state," said spokesman Tommy Vietor.

"The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."

OINK, OINK, BABE

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

palin was not chosen for her foreign policy credentials. she was chosen for her economic credentials -no wait- she was chosen for her transparency in government.
no thats not it either. I know, she was chosen for ?

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

basementfrog - To be fair to Palin, the oil in Alaska is taken out of government-owned lands, i.e., land owned in trust for the people of Alaska by their own government. Companies pay for the rights to mineral extraction by paying the government for the right to extract those minerals for their own profit. It's not like they own all that land that they're tapping into, we (the public) do. If they want what's ours, they have to pay for it.

Most governments take payment in the form of leases which they direct to various programs and services. Alaska has chosen instead to tax the oil companies and make a direct payment to the people themselves, trusting them to know what to do with the money. Debate the wisdom if you want, but it's their oil, ergo their money and their choice what to do with it.

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Obama will be able to help people understand that the issue is discretionary income over the long haul. The Republicans have shifted wealth to those who make over $250,000 a year. Even with the Bush tax cuts those with lower incomes are actually worse off than before. McCain is going to have to explain how he can balance the budget and cut taxes further while have an aggressive military policy around the world. People need to listen very carefully and look at the whole picture. In the past few weeks the Republicans have committed the government to covering losses that far exceed any tax decrease we have experienced except in the case of the very rich. Independent economists have studied Obama's plan and verified that it is better for most tax payers than McCain's plan.

Posted by: cdgainesville | September 18, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse


Republican voters with eyeballs?

Where is Obama gonna find *them*?

Posted by: Adam | September 18, 2008 6:36 PM
_________________________________________

That does it - I'm furious. I'sm so sick of these no eyeballs smears!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(oo that was fun - might do it again)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can you Demoratty type nasty people sleeep at nighty night after spitting such stinging vitriol all day?

I'm calling you out Adam!!! You are obviously a communist or a coward or some other thing that taxes my brain to much to immediately bring to mind.

DON'T DO IT AGAIN OR ELSE!!!

Posted by: AsperGuy | September 18, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

whats needed in America is a battlefield where conservatives on one side can battle the left on the other...it should be a to the death battle with no lingering responsability for either side...
I say lets get it over with, those willing to fight should really consider it...

_________________


We did it once. The Red States -formerly called Confederates- lost, America prospered.

Had the Red States won, forget the American Century.

Posted by: stearm | September 18, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

Has anyone seen this? As an independent, can I get a non-inflammatory, serious Republican-side take on why I, if I'm going to be getting relatively more jacked with McCain's plan, I should go with him? (PLEASE NO HYPER-LIBERAL PILE-ONS PLEASE, YOU GUYS SUPPORT PLENTY OF PROGRAMS THAT MAKE ME QUEASY ALONG WITH ONES THAT DON'T.)

Posted by: fillit | September 18, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"Why is it fair to always comment that Sarah Palin has a speech writer; when everyone of the people in this campaign has one?"

Probably because everybody knows Palin is the one who would be deer-in-headlights without the Teleprompter.

I notice you don't mention Barack, who can write his own speeches and discuss most issues extemporaneously without lapsing into incoherence--*because he's actually thought about them*.

Posted by: Adam | September 18, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

If Americans fall for this once again, I'm expatriating.

The party that took a budget surplus and turned it into the *largest budget deficit EVER*, the party that has given tax breaks and loopholes to billionaire corporations and other rich, mostly white people at the direct expense of the middle class...these guys are trying to pretend that the DEMOCRATS are the big spenders?

It is to laugh. Har.

Barack has already said, taxes WILL NOT GO UP on 95% of Americans.

Yeah, the rich and corporate are gonna take a hit. Tough effin' crap. Talk about way overdo.

The Republicans are the tax and spenders. They just raise fees on the underrepresented and weak, fees on Social Security, deductibles in Medicare, crap loans to folks who don't realize they can't afford to pay back the loan, all kinds of greasy, deceptive, nit picky little B.S. rules to make life as miserable as possible for the poor, elderly and disabled.

That's the same as a tax increase, Johnny Boy, all that stuff. The higher gas prices? Huge tax increase for the poor! Using huge amounts of corn on useless ethanol, resulting in big increases in the prices of corn and related problems? Tax increase on the poor!

Call if whatever you want. That's the net effect. The Republicans can stuff this phony tax outrage up their butts.

Posted by: SteveCO | September 18, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Republican voters with eyeballs?

Where is Obama gonna find *them*?

Posted by: Adam | September 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"HUMAN SACRIFICE TONIGHT, IN THE TEMPLE OF OBAMA!!"

Ha! Ha! What do you think I mean when I talk about "reparations" and "social justice"?

You think I meant Government payouts to people who are uneducated and unattractive? Oh HELL no. I want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Gimme your eyes and your teeth, man!

I'm gonna appoint Rev. Jeremiah Wright to be Racial Grievance Revenge czar!

Just kidding... what do you think I am, crazy? I want everyone to be happy: white, black, yellow, red people. I'm gonna tax the old Republicans and the young Democrats are gonna party like crazy for the next 8 years.

Toga! Toga! Toga!

Fun for people of all color, just so long as I AM YOUR GOD.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Mccain gets up in the morning, looks in the mirror and says "who will I be today"

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

whats needed in America is a battlefield where conservatives on one side can battle the left on the other...it should be a to the death battle with no lingering responsability for either side...
I say lets get it over with, those willing to fight should really consider it...

Posted by: Dwight | September 18, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Why is it fair to always comment that Sarah Palin has a speech writer; when everyone of the people in this campaign has one?

The Clinton's have speech writers, Biden has speech writers, Michelle Obama has speech writers; but we only see the media commenting that Sarah Palin has speech writers.

I wonder why that is!

Posted by: Heather | September 18, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain will tax the middle (and lower) class more than Obama. Until the public understands that, the media hasn't done its job.

Posted by: Wendy | September 18, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA WILL EAT YOUR CHILDREN

A secret plan just revealed by A REPUTABLE SOURCE (rightwingidiotsmear.com)proves that Obama has plans to bake your babies and serve them to his friends Hitler and Satan on a bed of Republican voters eyeballs!!!

Posted by: AsperGuy | September 18, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Mccain has to ask bush if it alright to meet with spanish prime minister. What a maverick. Change you cant trust.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Trophy VP

Palin is a finger puppet of its ventriloquist Steve Schmidt

Nothing more

Posted by: Mister.Earl | September 18, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

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Well, we've had eight years of unfettered Republican tax cutting policies.

How do you like them so far?

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

true dat about alaska. baby making is almost as popular as drinking. still on balance it isnt worth it to have to live in that cold ass place. bears at the door.
dark all winter.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

OMG! I saw Michelle Shaniqua Obama on television this morning. She was telling how her girls, Malean-wan and Shasha-wan

________________

dianne, get a life and,
stop going to kkk parties, you won't find a decent man there, they are a bunch of loosers!

A GOOD MAN IS HARD TO FIND

Posted by: stearm | September 18, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, John McCain's VP:

(1) is hotter than me

(2) has a better smile and personality than me

(3) has a higher popularity in her state than me
(4) gives a great damn speech without a teleprompter
(5) has mayor of a small town against my "community organizer"

(6) has council member, mayor and governor against my senate seats
(7) has a spouse with a nicer booty than mine's got
(8) wasn't created by a drunken, polygamist, already-married father who abandoned her teenaged mother

(9) got ahead on her own instead of on affirmative action and racial preferences

(10) has an actual political philosphy and governance approach

(11) has a record of action that she can point to, to show her leadership priorities and character
(12) has a better basketball trophy than I ever won!

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

You could call it an attack if it were not true, but to be honest you should call it...

Obama / Biden Tax propensity exposed!

Posted by: StarsandStripes | September 18, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Slavery is alive and well in America.
Poor low income republicans vote for their masters and against themselves time and time again.
And they're proud of it! Its patriotic to be taxed to death, lose your home, lose your job.
When will they ever learn?

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, look at the crap on this board. Man my supporters sound really stupid and trashy. I had no idea.

Okay, quick revision in my "hope" and "change" plan for America.

First thing we do, sterilize everyone on my donor list!

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I read here a lot about the evil socialist.

Well, I don't know what you call this below, but can I have some?

Over the course of 2007, she fought to raise taxes on oil companies. Alaska gets about 85 percent of its state revenue from oil taxes, and as fuel prices skyrocketed, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits to 25 percent from 22.5, winning passage in the State Legislature in November 2007. The increase amounted to an estimated $1.6-billion annually more for the state. Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before.


We've already checked her claim that she sent "a large share of that revenue directly back to the people of Alaska."

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means for every family an additional $22,400.00. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.


Gee, during the middle of an energy crisis, too. Poor lower 49 states.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The next president won't raise taxes; as things remain like this, we will pay a 0,3% interest rate on our national debt, there is no need to reduce public deficit. We can keep up spending. But Obama will spend in America, while the GOP will spend somewhere else, between Western Samoa and Sierra Leone.

The other difference is that Obama will cut taxes more uniformly on all the population (5-10% on average), while the GOP will give 40% tax breaks to the rich and some 'my friends and a smile' to the middle class and the poor.

Were you sleeping in the last 8 years?

Posted by: stearm | September 18, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Just who do you think is going to pay the bils?

Posted by: Old Coot | September 18, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

hz9604 quotes anonymous chain e-mail lies:

"Obama wants to eliminate the capital gains tax exemption on the first $250,000 of home sales."

5 seconds with Teh Google says you're full of crap:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/594/

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html

Post credible source, or put a sock in it.

Posted by: Adam | September 18, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

OMG! I saw Michelle Shaniqua Obama on television this morning. She was telling how her girls, Malean-wan and Shasha-wan, love watermellon and fried chicken. All I could think was there is no surprise there! Then she went on this rant on how she is going to change thing in the White House. For instance, she want to have a "soul food" State Dinner!!!!

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 18, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Will Obama's tax increases affect everyone? Even if your taxes are cut?

The fear-mongering answer is yes, prices will go up.

The real answer is yes, $$ for states to deal with federally mandated programs (like No Child Left Behind, no matter what you think of it), $$ for roads and transit, $$ for the infrastructure the TAXES-ARE-BAD idiots have caused to deteriorate (like that bridge that collapsed in Minnesota).

Don't let these liars tell you taxes are bad. Do you want to pave your own street? Drink your neighbors sewage? Taxes pay for streets and sewage treatment.

Posted by: CallsItAsItBe | September 18, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"I thought the nice doctors suspended your computer privileges, Aspergirl. Did you sneak out of the asylum again? "

I think someone hacked into her Yahoo account.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 18, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Slavery is alive and well in america.
Poor republicans who vote for their masters and against themselves time and time again.
They like their chains. they've worn them so long that they're proud of them.
When will they ever learn?

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

BUSH IS THE BILLION DOLLAR BABY.
MCSHADY IS THE TRILLION DOLLAR BABY. LOL
========================================
"Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." -- The President of the United States of America - George Bush...

Posted by: OBAMA 08' | September 18, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I thought the nice doctors suspended your computer privileges, Aspergirl. Did you sneak out of the asylum again?

Posted by: The Looney Bin | September 18, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I thought the nice doctors suspended your computer privileges, Aspergirl. Did you sneak out of the asylum again?

Posted by: The Looney Bin | September 18, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

If you are a lazy, non-productive sloth who wants to live off the work of others, vote for Obama.

Posted by: JB

If you want to live in a country where corporations are allowed rake in hefty profits for themselves while screwing the little guy, then when they get in trouble the little guy, a.k.a the tax payer has to bail them out, but see none of their profits then vote for me, John McCain.

Posted by: JohnMcCain | September 18, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

If you are a lazy, non-productive sloth who wants to live off the work of others, vote for Obama.

Posted by: JB

If you want to live in a country where corporations are allowed rake in hefty profits for themselves while screwing the little guy, then when they get in trouble the little guy, a.k.a the tax payer has to bail them out, but see none of their profits then vote for me, John McCain. Thank you J.B. for making my case. My Nigga!

Posted by: JohnMcCain | September 18, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I thought the nice doctors suspended your computer privileges, Aspergirl. Did you sneak out of the asylum again?

Posted by: The Looney Bin | September 18, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The 'old' Republican party was for cutting taxes, smaller government, deregulation, etc..

This new party can't afford to cut taxes (too much borrowed for the wars), smaller government (that's a joke in itself..no explanation needed here)and deregulation (reason why we are in the financial mess, now).

I think we all can agree that anyone can do a better job (for the people) then the current administration we have in office, now.

But it remains to be seen how the GOP will 'rebuild' itself after the mess left behind by this president.

Posted by: ssanford00 | September 18, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Slip-slidin' away...
(sung to the tune of Paul Simon)

As more serious issues rise to the surface, the more John "W." McCain will revert to the same really old "Old School" tactics.

Are there really no new ideas out there? Is this what America has to look forward (or backward) to?

I agree with other comments... based on Republican presidential history, Obama is certainly not the guy to fear when it comes to raising taxes and increasing debt. War costs us more with no measurable benefit, than reinvesting in the people of America. Who's money does McCain think he will spend for his search of glory?

Look where the money is going. McCain wants a "W" in winning the war, without defining what victory actually means, rather than focusing on economic issues at home. We would solve so many more problems here by just reallocating the funds from Iraq.

Posted by: DonJulio | September 18, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Every time the tax issue comes up, Obama claims that he will reduce taxes for all but the rich. Obama'a deception is that he is talking about income tax. The truth is that Obama wants to eliminate the capital gains tax exemption on the first $250,000 of home sales.

Now folks-- at 28% you will be paying $70,000 additional taxes under Obama's plan. Let me repeat that--- where you now you would pay $0 on the first $250,000, you would pay $70,000 under Obama's plan. Is that really what you want?

Posted by: hz9604 | September 18, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

People vote emotionally, and the emotion driving Republicans most is fear of loss through tax, terrorists, gays, "the other", or whatever. They so fear losing a war, however worthless its victory, they'd lose their children and their freedom to prolong it.

Posted by: jhbyer | September 18, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

These past eight years have been so blissful and lucrative for the majority of Americans. Why wouldn't we vote Republican again?

Posted by: The Looney Bin | September 18, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain's attack has the added virtue of being true. While the media has focused solely on personal income tax rates, which Obama claims that he would lower for 80% of American taxpayers (which I don't believe for a second), they are totally missing the massive tax increases that Obama would levy on businesses, investment income, capital gains, and estates.

Question: If business taxes go up, who are they going to pass those costs on to? Where does the money come from to expand and hire new workers? And you wanna talk about jobs leaving the country? The United States' corporate tax rates are aleady amonng the western world's highest.

As Fred Thompson said at the GOP convention: "So unless you own a business, work for a business, or buy anything from a business, Senator Obama's tax increases won't affect you."

The fact is that Barack Obama is an old-school liberal who believes in forcibly re-distributing wealth through higher taxation and massive government spending. This is the exact opposite of what the US economy needs right now.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

So Obama is going to lower taxes and cut government spending?

Chris, you are a lying liar who lies.

Obama has not seen one government program he doesn't like and he wants to create a bunch more. While most of the advanced world is becoming more economically free, Obama wants to move the US backwards and make us more Socialist. If you are a lazy, non-productive sloth who wants to live off the work of others, vote for Obama.

Posted by: JB | September 18, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama is such a fake! He was for commissions before he was against them, check the vid in my blog:

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com

Posted by: DCfred | September 18, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain = Bush

so i guess that if Bush were running for a third term that Obama would be stuck in a dead-heat with him?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

You are all so gross, trashy and stupid. The rants are getting more and more incoherent, almost scary.

The funniest thing is that if your Afrocentric president gets elected, he'll be presiding over a major depression and will be a disgrace.

And you can't on-the-job learn when there are going to be a series of unprecedented disasters streaming over your desk every day. He'll be like Bush, sideswiped by everything from 9/11 to Hurricane Katrina.

He's too lame and clueless to be anything but a disgrace if he does get elected. Like a black Bush, except hated more.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

The real tax on the American people is what is SPENT, not what is taxed in the near-term. Because eventually all will have to paid (with interest), and monies must be collected in order to do that. So basically what the Republicans have done historically (since Reagan) is to say they "cut taxes"--because they take in less--but they are actually increasing taxes (on their children) by running up enormous debts.

Oh no.. thinking too much. I better be careful before I get labeled an 'elitist'--the worst thing you can be in America right now.

Posted by: nickchop | September 18, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Too funny- after running the economy into the ground, lying us into the Iraq war, and turning government into their personal ATM's and havens for lobbyists, the Republicans are trying to scare voters about what the Democrats might do?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The most incompetent leadership in American history, supported by lock-step GOP Congressmen who had the majority for six of the last eight years, and ran government like the Mafia.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!

Posted by: LH | September 18, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Mr combover is now endorsing mccain. what a surprise. One thief giving a reach around to another. Great deals can be made now in the market he says Great deals on poor peaoples misfortunes, foreclosures.
What a bottom feeding slug. Typical rich bastard republican.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed that the main visual representation in the video is a blackness that sweeps over America? ...

Posted by: Subtlety is an art mastered by few | September 18, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

be blunt here....

think about it:

$720 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY goes into exploiting IRAQ....

most of that money isn't used to create a product....


it might as well be liquid water poured upon the sands of IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN...


if any money is made from those ventures.....you "the people" will never benefit from it....

what if $720 MILLION A DAY WERE WASTED ON THE US of A INFRASTRUCTURE??????


can you say


economic disaster solved....

we're in IRAQ because bushCO und CRONYs didn't have the sense or the desire to simply deal for the oil.....


they wanted to skim via war profiteering....

it's what the bush family and friends have been doing for over 100 years....


Mc Cain knows that, he wants a piece of that....

he owns 7 homes and he wants more of _THAT_


Duke Cunning Ham, Tom DealAide, Abramoff

these names are good to see when you look at McCain

he loves them, and getting AMERICA schtupped by them is his dream.


.

Posted by: let's | September 18, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I can see vagina from my house!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:11 PM

:::::

The trashy way Obama supporters act on forums (this is nowhere as bad as how women are bashed & talked about on left-wing blogs) is like a blog-media version of hip hop woman-trashing culture.

You're all so low class and repulsive in your verbally abusive behaviors. And the way you talk to (and about) women! Like bitc*es and hos.

You're soooo ghetto and trashy and tribal.

This election year is like an anthropology tour -- a blog turned into a verbal version of a ghetto 'hood.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

All you whiney liberals have to know your affirmative action boy refused 94 times to vote for tax cuts. So now he finally got religion?
Yeah, right at Josiah Wright's church. Keep on drinking the kool adid.

Posted by: Larry G62 | September 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.

Posted by: AsperJEEZEUS......I cure you of your lousy dishonesty.... | September 18, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"I supported Democrats before I didn't support Democrats! The only think I want is for a woman to be in the White House."

Sarah Palin is more qualified than Barack Obama, who has only proven he's able to give good head to ex-terrorists who hold grant purse-strings and provide ins to Chicago political elite networks, and whose resume really shows only that he can climb the greased poles of the dirty Chicago political machine.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain's not bad and he would clean up a lot of corruption and at least rein in the deficit.

That is like putting a rabid dog in the hen house and saying, 'Don't kill them chickens, ya heah?

Posted by: joker | September 18, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


"tax and spend democrats" is a lie, a myth a scam line....


take their clothes off and put them under public scrutiny....how's that DJIA doing


drug money laundering sinking your country???


takeovers by foreign nationals as your pimped out leader sell you and your country down the tubes?????

don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"


I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away


and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud, and misleading the public


for monetary gain....


it's all about controlling regulation and your tax money....


the current economic crisis?????


_T_H_E_Y_ DID AWAY WITH ALL OVERSIGHT and most regulation...


there isn't even a working ETHICS COMMISION in congress right now


like that's a fxxxing surprise right????


George W. GIVES BLOW JOBS in the whitehouse and


you don't hear about it, do you....


WTF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!! are you too stupid to know what to do????


eviserate them and skin them


"parenthetically speaking" of course


not literally, heaven forbid....


hanging after a fair trial is what they need


DESPERATELY....

.

Posted by: AsperSQUIRREL...."I LICK NUTZ!" | September 18, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl:

You are not a Hillary supporter, just a bit slow to get it.

I guess you want a few more years of Republican bad governance before you can learn?

Posted by: agathias | September 18, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


"tax and spend democrats" is a lie, a myth a scam line....


take their clothes off and put them under public scrutiny....how's that DJIA doing


drug money laundering sinking your country???


takeovers by foreign nationals as your pimped out leader sell you and your country down the tubes?????

don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"


I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away


and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud, and misleading the public


for monetary gain....


it's all about controlling regulation and your tax money....


the current economic crisis?????


_T_H_E_Y_ DID AWAY WITH ALL OVERSIGHT and most regulation...


there isn't even a working ETHICS COMMISION in congress right now


like that's a fxxxing surprise right????


George W. GIVES BLOW JOBS in the whitehouse and


you don't hear about it, do you....


WTF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!! are you too stupid to know what to do????


eviserate them and skin them


"parenthetically speaking" of course


not literally, heaven forbid....


hanging after a fair trial is what they need


DESPERATELY....

.

Posted by: AsperSquirrel....I lick nuts.... | September 18, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse


AspenGirl wrote: "Only a self-serving idiot would run around claiming "the economy is broken!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFKb13ToGs

thank you for making my point!

Here is another flip flop example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWI35eNnDOw

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

You cant raise cattle in alaska. the bears will eat them. There are more bears in alaska than people. Same goes for chickens.
On admiralty island they lasted less than a year. too many bears.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the tax and spend guy. Tax the middle class and send the money to Iraq. This is simply a fact.

But I guess McCain is so busy lying...

Posted by: alba | September 18, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"All that growth you loved from the Clinton years, is the party that caused the hangover we are stricken with."
--So why were you a Hillary supporter?

She knows how to handle the problems we face. Months ago, in her campaigning, she was insisting that these finance sector problems won't away until the foreclosures stop and the housing prices stabilize. The geniuses on top of the two national tickets haven't figured that out yet.

If her summer gas tax holiday had been enacted, we wouldn't need a second stimulus package, because that would have been a more timely "second stimulus" -- and one more narrowly and effectively targeted to the painful inflation spikes that would hurt a lot of households and transportation businesses.

Clinton wouldn't have allowed these anti-driller delays and foot-dragging keep oil futures stalled so high for so long. Her energy platform, more centrist and pragmatic than left-wing idiot Obama's, was the right one.

Clinton knew that her husband's financial-focused economy was mistaken and all her programs that spoke of increased infrastructure programs that put people to work building public works projects and new energy technologies, is the infrastructure-and-labor focused way to build an economy that Rob Reich espoused that Bill Clinton rejected in favor of Bob Rubin's gimmicky finance-growth based economy.

After Hillary Clinton got out of the race, we were left with a choice between two idiots, with Barack Obama being the more inexperienced, ideology-parroting, bigger idiot.

I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter who just can't support Barack Obama because he's just too much of a party tool and clueless parrot to handle the problems we face today. McCain's not bad and he would clean up a lot of corruption and at least rein in the deficit.

It doesn't really matter much anyways. The next president will probably be presiding over something that is a lot like a depression so it will be a one-term presidency. If it's Obama, it'll be Obama's depression and his presidency will go down in infamy because he' be the first black president. I've said this for at least 7 months now. Whomever is elected next will be likely known for presiding over the depression that will unfold on his watch, and the decline of American hegemony.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's the difference between tax and spend and borrow and spend:

Tax and spend - taxes come in to government, go out as services. Paid for once, end of story.

Borrow and spend - Debt goes up, pushing down dollar. Lower dollar boosts price of oil *cha-ching!*. Higher debt means higher interest payments *cha-ching!*. Less money available for domestic infrastructure, costing lives and impacting business *cha-ching! cha-ching!*. Finally, the debt still needs to be paid *cha-ching! cha-ching! cha-ching! cha-ching!!...*

Any one else want to *cha-ching!* in? I'm sure I left a few things out.

Like that old Fram oil filter ad - "Pay me now (holds filter) or pay me later (points at engine on rack)"

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

So Phil Gramm, John McCain's supposedly banished economic guru and campaign chairman, has been seeking Ron Paul's endorsement. Paul's answer? Not in a million years.


Here Ron Paul is just a few minutes ago:

"I can't endorse somebody (McCain) that disagrees with me on all the major issues -- on the federal reserve system, on spending and taxes, and No Child Left Behind, and McCain-Feingold, and foreign policy especially. I mean I could never support somebody who thinks that its funny to say "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." That to me is not somebody I could endorse ever."

-Ron Paul - 9/18/08
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOb3cC2FVIg
.


Paul's strident non-endorsement is the biggest deal here, but there's another issue: what in the world is Phil Gramm doing politicking on John McCain's behalf? Hadn't he been banished to Belarus? Does this mean that John McCain now endorses Gramm's "Americans are whiners" comments?

Posted by: Bush + McCain = "W"orthless | September 18, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

September 17, 2008, 9:06 pm
Moo

People should stop picking on vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin because she hired a high school classmate to oversee the state agriculture division, a woman who said she was qualified for the job because she liked cows when she was a kid. And they should lay off the governor for choosing another childhood friend to oversee a failing state-run dairy, allowing the Soviet-style business to ding taxpayers for $800,000 in additional losses.

What these critics don’t understand is that crony capitalism is how things are done in Alaska. They reward failure in the Last Frontier state. In that sense, it’s not unlike like Wall Street’s treatment of C.E.O.’s who run companies into the ground.

Look at Carly Fiorina, John McCain’s top economic surrogate — if you can find her this week, after the news and her narrative fused in a negative way. Dismissed as head of Hewlett-Packard after the company’s stock plunged and nearly 20,000 workers were let go, she was rewarded with $44 million in compensation. Sweet!

Thank God McCain wants to appoint a commission to study the practice that enriched his chief economic adviser. On the campaign trail this week, McCain and Palin pledged to “stop multimillion dollar payouts to C.E.O.’s” of failed companies. Good. Go talk to Fiorina at your next strategy session.

Palin’s Alaska is a cultural cousin to this kind of capitalism. The state may seem like a rugged arena for risky free-marketers. In truth, it’s a strange mix of socialized projects and who-you-know hiring practices.

Let’s start with those cows. A few years ago, I met Harvey Baskin, one of the last of Alaska’s taxpayer-subsidized dairy farmers, at his farm outside Anchorage. The state had spent more than $120 million to create farms where none existed before. The epic project was a miserable failure.

“You want to know how to lose money in a hurry?” Harvey told me, while kicking rock-hard clumps of frozen manure. “Become a farmer with the state of Alaska as your partner. This is what you call negative farming.”

That lesson was lost on Palin. As the Wall Street Journal reported this week, Governor Palin overturned a decision to shutter a money-losing, state-run creamery — Matanuska Maid — when her friends in Wasilla complained about losing their subsidies. She fired the board that recommended closure, and replaced it with one run by a childhood friend. After six months, and nearly $1 million in fresh losses, the board came to the same conclusion as the earlier one: Matanuska Maid could not operate without being a perpetual burden on the taxpayers.

This is Heckuva-Job-Brownie government, Far North version.

On a larger scale, consider the proposal to build a 1,715-mile natural gas pipeline, which Palin touts as one of her most significant achievements. Private companies complained they couldn’t build it without government help. That’s where Palin came to the rescue, ensuring that the state would back the project to the tune of $500 million.

And let’s not talk about voodoo infrastructure without one more mention of the bridge that Palin has yet to tell the truth about. The plan was to get American taxpayers to pay for a span that would be 80 feet higher than the Brooklyn Bridge, and about 20 feet short of the Golden Gate — all to serve a tiny airport with a half-dozen or so flights a day and a perfectly good five-minute ferry. Until it was laughed out of Congress, Palin backed it — big time, as the current vice president would say.

Why build it? Because it’s Alaska, where people are used to paying no state taxes and getting the rest of us to buck up for things they can’t afford. Alaska, where the first thing a visitor sees upon landing in Anchorage is the sign welcoming you to Ted Stevens International Airport. Stevens, of course, is the 84-year-old Republican senator indicted on multiple felony charges. He may still win re-election thanks to Palin’s popularity at the top of the ballot.

Alaskans will get $231 per person in federal earmarks — 10 times more than people in Barack Obama’s home state. That’s this year, with Palin as governor.

If Palin were a true reformer, she would tell Congress thanks, but no thanks to that other bridge to nowhere.

Yes, there is another one — a proposal to connect Anchorage to an empty peninsula, speeding the commute to Palin’s hometown by a few minutes. It could cost up to $2 billion. The official name is Don Young’s Way, after the congressman who got the federal bridge earmarks. Of late, he’s spent more $1 million in legal fees fending off corruption investigations. Oh, and Young’s son-in-law has a stake in the property at one end of the bridge.

Some of these projects might be fully explained should Palin ever open herself up to questions. This week she sat down for her second interview — with Sean Hannity of Fox, who has shown sufficient “deference” to Palin, as the campaign requested.

One question: When Palin says “government has got to get out of the way” of the private sector, as she proclaimed this week, does that apply to dairy farms, bridges and gas pipelines in her state? I didn’t think so.

BY TIMOTHY EGAN / THE NEW YORK TIMES

Posted by: too good just to paste link | September 18, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Tax attack? The highest growth in America was when the ultra-rich had an 85 percent tax rate with no exemptions.

Only a moron thinks lower taxes on the rich help.

Under the last eight years, 99 percent of America - those not in the top 0.1 percent ultra-rich or 1 percent rich categories, have LOST WEALTH.

Results matter.

Tax bromides by deregulation advocates like McCain and Bush don't.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | September 18, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Nice tits? After four kids? Believe me, those tatas look like water balloons when not supported. Stretched and wrinkled with nipples the size of acorns.

Besides, those tits belong to Todd the Secessionist.

Posted by: Adrian | September 18, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Mccain dissed the spanish prime minister because of spain pulling out of iraq.
He no alba.

Pain choked at the town meeting and started screeching like a parrot with p.m.s.

These shameless republicans will resort to any form of misdirection and confusion to keep from facing the music.

Best presidential election in years.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has proposed a raft of new federal spending, especially around healthcare."

Hey, we can't ALL start unnecessary trillion-dollar wars.

maybe if we can manage to elect someone who will avoid that kind of pound-foolish outlay in future, we'd actually have a few wise pennies left to spend here in our own country.

I know I'd sooner have my tax money used to care for injured and sick people here at home than to create them by the thousands in some bloody middle eastern desert.

Posted by: Adam | September 18, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey Adrian,

Did you know that the size of the federal government increased more under Bush, Jr. than Clinton? You can easily look those numbers up. How about federal spending? The Repubs had a lock on the House, the Senate, and the WH for six years...I don't remember seeing a balanced budget during that time. I don't even remember seeing a budget where the only deficits were for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I remember hearing 'a threat to one member's earmarks is a threat to all earmarks', or words to that effect...FROM A REPUBLICAN. I remember a Democratic President leaving office with a record surplus. Now a Republican President is leaving us with the largest deficit in history.

At least Democrats want to tax first, and then spend, rather than cut taxes, borrow from China, and then spend.

Posted by: Matt | September 18, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what to say so I'll repeat the words I hear on the radio.

Barry HUSSEIN Obama is an empty suit who can only read from a teleprompter and he is the messiah! Obama is a saviour!

There I have said what is on my mind.

I am Dittohead. YAAY!

Posted by: Dittohead | September 18, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin has nice tits.

McCain is almost dead.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:13 PM

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And that my friends, sums up the GOP's entire platform......

Posted by: The truth speaks... | September 18, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain was touting deregulation even in the nomination speech.

I repeat:
McCain was touting deregulation even in the nomination speech.
=======================================
It's difficult to believe Obama since he's dissed his followers by flip flopping on so many issues.
And considering our current economic crisis, Obama is likely to change his description of "wealthy" - resulting in including MORE American taxpayers.

Biden: "Paying higher taxes is patriotic."

Love that gaffe! Keep em coming Joe.

Posted by: Carla | September 18, 2008 3:34 PM

######################################

Carla, for every Obama flip flop, I can show you five McCain flip flops. My god, McCain was touting deregulation of the financial markets for years until this week. Now he is vilifying Wall Street in his ads and calling for regulation.

He has also flipflopped on torture, the Bush tax cuts, the Religious Right, and many other issues.

Posted by: Maggots | September 18, 2008 5:18 PM

Posted by: Independent from Indiana | September 18, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

If it means that our bridges won't fall down, our kids will get a decent education and we will all have quality healthcare.....raise my taxes all you want.

I'm not a selfish and greedy bastard.

I'm willing to sacrifice for the greater good of our country.

And I'm smart enough to know that good things come with a price tag.

Having said all that...I'm happy to know that Obama will be giving me and my family a tax cut of $1000.

Someday when I make $250,000 I'll gladly accept a tax increase.

Again, because I'm not a selfish and greedy bastard like the GOPers....

Posted by: Raise me for all I care... | September 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

My last post was, of course, meant sarcastically. Of course Obama will lower your taxes. Remember who got us into this horrible mess: Republicans like McCain who fought hard to deregulate the banking industry thus setting the whole mess in motion.

Obama 08!

Posted by: Adrian | September 18, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

It's difficult to believe Obama since he's dissed his followers by flip flopping on so many issues.
And considering our current economic crisis, Obama is likely to change his description of "wealthy" - resulting in including MORE American taxpayers.

Biden: "Paying higher taxes is patriotic."

Love that gaffe! Keep em coming Joe.

Posted by: Carla | September 18, 2008 3:34 PM

######################################

Carla, for every Obama flip flop, I can show you five McCain flip flops. My god, McCain was touting deregulation of the financial markets for years until this week. Now he is vilifying Wall Street in his ads and calling for regulation.

He has also flipflopped on torture, the Bush tax cuts, the Religious Right, and many other issues.

Posted by: Maggots | September 18, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This race is not going to be about race, or gender or change or lipstick or vice-Presidents.

It's going to be about liberalism vs conservatism.

Invariably, when they ask people in polls if they are liberal or conservative, the "conservative" responses always outnumber the "liberal" responses.

Republicans have been winning Presidential elections this way since Nixon. It's how they've won 7 of the last 10. The Democrats won their three elections by running centrist Democrats.

Democrats always seemed so surprised that it works.

Posted by: theduke | September 18, 2008 5:07 PM

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Where do you think you are posting this garbage? poeple magazine blog? Sorry buddy on these boards you will find smart, informed people with SOURCES.
lets try the truth...oh and sourced of course......
Democrats----72 MILLION
Republicans--55 MILLION
Independants-72 MILLION

Repubs have been winning elections with wedge issues, guns, gays, abortion etc and with a higher turnout at the polls. Plain and simple. The ideology of America is decidedly PROGRESSIVE

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl - I sure hope you mean the things you say. I'd hate to think you're actually an Obama supporter trying to make McCain supporters look like howling idiots. It's effective, but dirty. Sure hope you're not secretly on my side.

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Georgetowner, if you think Donald Trump has YOUR best interest at heart then maybe it's time to turn your affairs over to a younger relative.

Obama has the support of much better money men than Trump. Warren Buffet is the richest man in the world and he is an advisor to Obama. Bill Gates is the second richest man in the world and he supports the Dem ticket.

Donald Trump is nowhere close to being as rich as Warren Buffet or Bill Gates. And Trump has made his reputation on sleeze.

So please think again.

I am Super Asper Girl! Yay!

Posted by: SuperAsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess no one wants to talk about how much Fannie Mae and Freddie gave to your saviour Obama, more than the rest I can tell you that for sure. And most Americans KNOW that Obama will end up raising our taxes because his plan does circulate enough income tax from the above $250,000 to cover 94% of Americans. He will have to go down further into the gene pool of tax payers and further, and further down. We the people are not stupid. What about the 100% who will receive health care? Who is going to pay for that? He wants to institute some sort of green carbon tax as well. Every small business will fade into oblivion, leaving the corporate giants to take over and dominate the market and prices. He has no energy plan to speak of and wants to increase the size of government. The more this newspaper and the nasty comments continue on these posts, the better John McCain is going to look to potential voters. So please, don't stop, keep posting filth and sooner or later you'll be bedding on said filth.

Posted by: Adrian | September 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

to the WAPO writer and editor: who are you quoting here?

McCain's campaign is also held a conference call today focused on the economy with the stated purpose of exploring Obama's "claims that paying higher taxes is 'patriotic'".

Biden:
"We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people," Biden, on ABC's 'Good Morning America'.

Biden said: "It's time to be patriotic ... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut."

Posted by: yourefired | September 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin has nice tits.

McCain is almost dead.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

http://pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm#Gallup
Well, there's the daily tracking polls.
Good news if your Obamite
Bad news if your a McCaniac.
Obama is up by four points in a poll with a margin for error of 2 points which means it's possible it's actuall a statistical tie.
If you look at the trend, Obama has been building for the last ten days while McCain has trended down from a high of 49% to his current 45%. If you go back to the beginning of the month, however and look at it over 17 days, McCain has climbed 3 points and pulled Obama down 2.
The economic problems that have rattled the country since the start of the week may be contributing to Obamas numbers or it may just be that moderate woment are drifting back from McCain as they discover Palin is not the goods that were advertised.
What does seem apparently is McCain hasn't been able to turn economic turbulence into political gain even though he's turned himself into the most populist Republican since Reagan was running for his first term.
The conclusion I think you can draw form it is that further turbulence is going to provide Obama a net plus or at worst a wash, McCain is risking more if the economy continues its rapid desent.
Today, the DJIA is rebounding after loosing slightly less than 10% of it's total value over the preceding three days. It will take months for the Investment crisis to pass, probably more months than John McCain has. I just can't help thinking that the collapse isn't going to help the candidate of the uncumbent party, so far the numbers seem to indicate that.

Posted by: dijetlo | September 18, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I can see vagina from my house!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Democrats will raise my taxes, no matter what Obama claims, because I am a single person and my entire adult life, that is what Democrats have always done. And even when they gave tax cuts, somehow I never qualified. I am my sole support and am contributing to retirement, etc. so that I will not be a burden on the government, relatives, et al, in old age. Why would I want more of my money to be helping out "working families" which will more likely force me to apply for government assistance later? Most people consider Donald Trump a man who knows money and he said on the Larry King show last night that McCain is a good man and he would trust him more than Obama in being able to fix Wall Street. When King asked if Trump would endorse McCain, Trump said, okay I will. King said, you just did.

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | September 18, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Please stop running political campaign ads in their entirety as part of news stories. This has been a presidential campaign strategy for a few decades now: pay a bit to air an ad in a few markets, then wait for the media to pick up on the controversial ad and give it a FREE natonal airing. Americans would be better served if newsfolk summarized the jist of an ad's message, instead of allowing theselves to be hoodwinked into becoming a campaign's PR outlet.

Posted by: RGT | September 18, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I was for it before I was against it. How fitting Aspergirl.

No one should be voted in on gender alone. Talk about Un-American.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

But now that I think about it, Republicans have been losing elections that way since Nixon too. OK, disregard my last.

Posted by: theduke | September 18, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

McPsycho lies with such facility that one would almost consider him a professional liar - hmmmm, guess that's actually about as accurate a description as any.

Shameless lying has become the hallmark of the Republican party...how's that square with their pontificating about "family values"? Hypocrisy, thy name is "Republican".

Posted by: nighthawksoars | September 18, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Independent Economists At The Tax Policy Center Came To The Conclusion That Obama's Tax Plan Offers A Net Tax Cut—

Holtz-Eakin (the nutjob who said that McCain created the "blackberry")

Has Repeatedly Used To Claim Obama's Plan Is "Fiscally Irresponsible."

Michael Scherer of Time wrote, "So I want to make a few things clear.

First, the Obama campaign calculates that its tax plan offers a net tax revenue reduction over ten years, if the health plan is included.

Second, independent economists at the Tax Policy Center come to the same conclusion.

Third, Holtz-Eakin has repeatedly, and quite seriously, invoked the net-tax-cut calculations of Obama to make the argument that the Democrat has a fiscally irresponsible economic plan."

Annenberg Political Fact Check: Claim That Obama "Promises More Taxes On Small Business, Seniors, Your Life Savings, Your Family"

Is "Simply Not True For The Vast Majority Of Viewers Who Will See It."

"The TV ad also says that Obama 'promises more taxes on small business, seniors, your life savings, your family.'

This statement is simply not true for the vast majority of viewers who will see it. Obama, in fact, promises to deliver a $1,000 tax cut for families making up to $150,000 a year, and he says he would increase income tax rates, capital gains tax rates and taxes on dividends only for those with family incomes over $250,000 a year, or for single taxpayers making over $200,000."

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

My Friends, let me say for the record I want nothing more than to keep things the same in our great nation. The country will be better off for it. My colleague and advisor Phil Gramm was right. Obama and his crowd need to get a grip and shut the hell up! The American economy is fundamentally sound. The same cannot be said for me but that is not at issue here. I want to keep the Bush policies of the last 8 yrs rolling along. I want to continue the alienation of our allies and friends, as was evidenced by my dissing the Spanish Prime Minister. Hell, I didn't know who he was but that doesn't matter, does it?. Vote for me and I will assure you more of the same, enough to make you sick if it don't kill ya. A little joke there, my friends.

Posted by: JohnMcCain | September 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

If it's not raising taxes on the rich, then what is the remedy to this financial crisis and bailouts that the federal government is deciding to do at our expense? Sorry ya'll, I don't make over $250,000 annually and am an extremely long way from $650,000, so I would never, NEVER vote against my own economic interests! I mean, can any of you that aren't making this kind of money, but hope to someday answer this for me? Why would anyone want to make sure that the already wealthy that got us into this ridiculous mess get a bigger tax break while you take less? Nope, sorry, the polls may prove that we are truly a nation of retards, but I won't be responsible for it's continuance with my vote. Even the mega rich that can't seem to manage their way out of a wet paper bag would be insane to vote for the McCain/Ridiculous ticket. Don't even get me started on what a laughing stock our country would be if these two were elected, or if McCain kicked the bucket and we had that absolutley ridiculous excuse for a woman as the actual president...it's laughable, but not funny. We would be doomed!

Posted by: HESS | September 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The Dems offered me two men for the White House. I told them 'thanks but no thanks'. I want a uterus in the Oval Office and I'll take the one offered by McCain.

Screw America! I need puzzy!

I am ASPERGIRL. YAAY!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I've voted Republican since 1980. State, local, and national. But there is no way I can support someone stupid enough to use, and then get caught, breaking the law with an easily hacked Yahoo email account:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/17/AR2008091703304.html?hpid=topnews

The VP, who can become the P in a heartbeat, should not be the primary security threat our nation faces.

Posted by: Reagan4Life | September 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

This race is not going to be about race, or gender or change or lipstick or vice-Presidents.

It's going to be about liberalism vs conservatism.

Invariably, when they ask people in polls if they are liberal or conservative, the "conservative" responses always outnumber the "liberal" responses.

Republicans have been winning Presidential elections this way since Nixon. It's how they've won 7 of the last 10. The Democrats won their three elections by running centrist Democrats.

Democrats always seemed so surprised that it works.

Posted by: theduke | September 18, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse


According to Biden, the most patriotic are the rich people since they pay the most taxes and the least patriotic those making just a little bit and paying almost none or having a credit.

Thank you Biden for exposing your disdain for hard working americans. At least now we know where you stand.

Posted by: Ann | September 18, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I supported Democrats before I didn't support Democrats! The only think I want is for a woman to be in the White House.

THAT IS WHAT REALLY COUNTS TO ME!

I am SUPER ASPERGIRL! YAAY!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

>> rcc_2000 wrote: "AsperGirl, I believe that McCain holds the flip-flop world record. He got the gold medal for fastest flip flop in history with the "economy is fundamentally sound" to "economy is in crisis in under 6 hours"

Because that's a non-specific "opinion" statement, it means nothing technically. What he was doing is what all leaders do when there is a banking crisis, which is to not exaggerate or spread fear, but offer any positive, reassuring statements possible. Only a self-serving idiot would run around claiming "the economy is broken!" when there is no possible way the public will interpret that in a technically responsible way. McCain was correct in that statement; Mayor Bloomberg came out and backed him up Monday afternoon.

The press amplified & beat up Obama's jumping on that statement, because the media is also too shallow and self-serving to realize that leaders don't go around crying "the sky is falling!" when there is a banking confidence crisis.

>>"And the Silver in "AIG bailout is wrong" to "AIG bailout is right" in under 18 hours."

The AIG bailout is wrong. The gov't only provided the loan under conditions that are bizarre. If you look at the conditions that were disclosed today (high interest) then it's not that bad of a deal for taxpayers, even though it's still questionable in terms of risk. The extent of the details of AIG exposure in pension & retirement funds wasn't disclosed until today, either. So this is a situation in which details are dripping out. In part, this is so because the gov't is scrambling and juggling as these events and gov't actions unfold.

>>"And he has the Gold for Flip Flop on a core value for advocating regulation of Wall Street after 26 years of fighting to deregulate."

It's obvious we need more regulation now. Anyone who doesn't see that would be like Obama refusing to see the surge worked. Fortunately, McCain seems much more agile than Obama in being willing to update issues at odds with his own dogma.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Okay I have had enough of the last eight years yaers of lies and deception...

Eight is enough and I think that McCaint and Carribou Barbie should have eight word sentances to describe the state of how this country has been mis-handled.....

Believe our lies...we'll make up new ones
The economy is fundamentally sound and secure enough
Vote for us we'll buy you a beer
I was a POW in Vietnam God Dammitt
I lied before and I will lie again
Dont let the terrorists win the war...again

Blah...Blah...Blahhh

"'Thanks But No Thanks to McCaint and peeeuu Palin..."

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 18, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The notion that big government is bad died this week. The death was confirmed by McCain when he called for more regulation. How strange to run ad against big government,

The Treasury and Federal Reserve interventions added to the deficit and the national debt. Taxes WILL rise in order to pay for the intervention and the Iraq war, too. How strange to run an ad against taxes.

The ad suggests Obama will raise taxes not just on income but on everything else. This a lie. Read Obama's tax plan. Its available at his website.

Lies and blaming others instead of accepting responsibility are acts of desperation.

Its McCain's fundamentals that are askew.

Posted by: Peter | September 18, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Mccain sits down with Karl Roves disciple Steve Schmidt every morning and asks him one question
"Who am I supposed to be today?"

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zazzle | September 18, 2008 4:57 PM
===========================================

if you're so interested in following the money trail here are some names for you:

Phil Gramm
Charlie Black
Rick Davis
Randy Scheunemann
Nancy Pfotenhauer
John Green
Wayne Berman


If that is not enough, there are over 100 more directly linked with McCain's campaign.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

All that growth you loved from the Clinton years, is the party that caused the hangover we are stricken with.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:26 PM

//

So why were you a Hillary supporter?

Posted by: Attucks | September 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Still living in the 80's, Paul?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

hey repubs

two separate bail outs after catastrophic deregulation because deragulation lobbyists from the banks were in to well with senior Senators and congressman...

"s and l" and now

the first time it was the Keating 5 and Charles Keating the second time it is Phil gramm

what do both of these situations have in common

John McCain

only this time the guy didn't go to jail...he wrote McCain's economic policy.

Posted by: dl | September 18, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


"tax and spend democrats" is a lie, a myth a scam line....


take their clothes off and put them under public scrutiny....how's that DJIA doing


drug money laundering sinking your country???


takeovers by foreign nationals as your pimped out leader sell you and your country down the tubes?????

don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"


I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away


and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud, and misleading the public


for monetary gain....


it's all about controlling regulation and your tax money....


the current economic crisis?????


_T_H_E_Y_ DID AWAY WITH ALL OVERSIGHT and most regulation...


there isn't even a working ETHICS COMMISION in congress right now


like that's a fxxxing surprise right????


George W. GIVES BLOW JOBS in the whitehouse and


you don't hear about it, do you....


WTF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!! are you too stupid to know what to do????


eviserate them and skin them


"parenthetically speaking" of course


not literally, heaven forbid....


hanging after a fair trial is what they need


DESPERATELY....

.

Posted by: chunks of beauty | September 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, you are getting better by the minute. BTW if I am part of a "thought-policed cult" then why have I voted for more Republican Presidential Candidates than Democrat, why did I vote for a Republican Governor in my states last election? Until GW Bush became President I was a registered Republican since I was old enough to vote?

The GOP is not what it use to be. The Party died in 2000 when GW Bush was elected and John McCain sold his soul. I almost considered at one point voting for McCain and even when I decided that I preferred Obama I thought to myself that if John McCain was elected that he is a honorable man, a man of integrity. When he selected Palin (I am sure this is what you will key in on) I was shocked and disappointed that he would choose to pull a political stunt and not put "America First". Then he started to tell bold face lies, and even after admitting they were lies he would repeat them (so cynical).

McCain has lost perspective. He has lost his honor and is blinded by his ambition... In my opinion.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Oddly, this McCain ad appears to be focused upon the old boy's base rather than on most of us who have considered ourselves as belonging to the middle class. For the fateful voice cautions that "we would pay painful income taxes."

Posted by: 2old2bBamboozled | September 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

What kind of scummy merdebucket repeats the lies without refuting the lies and puts Tried and True in the headline?

Posted by: etfmaven | September 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Michelle: "Don't vote for her because she's cute."
Obviously, Michelle wasn't referencing herself.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gF6i4iEHstfMbiVDziPEgI7m6pFAD939AVEG6

Posted by: Carla | September 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I should vote Republican because of the many wonderful things that have occurred over the past eight years under George Bush.

1.

Hmmm...can't think of any.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to be painted as the most liberal member of the Senate in the next few weeks.

Is that a surprise to anyone? Democrats are shocked that McCain could be so crass as to accuse Obama of being a big-spending liberal.

Why would he do such a thing!!?

Because it true and he can prove it.

The election is about change, allright. Change in the liberal direction. Let's see if the American people will want to go there.

Posted by: theduke | September 18, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone seriously doubt that Obama would raise taxes more than McCain?

Obama has proposed a raft of new federal spending, especially around healthcare. McCain seems to have proposed less damaging versions of the same thing, balanced somewhat by a vow to eliminate earmarks.

So is this even debatable anymore? (that Obama will raise taxes, not whether the McCain line of attack will work this time).

No whackjobs need reply, serious responses only please.

Posted by: JD | September 18, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey dumb dems... 2 words, Bradley Effect, read it and weep...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

Posted by: Paul | September 18, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"U.S. is the land of opportunity and justice for all.
It is an injustice to take from those who have made it and to hand it out to those who are not trying."

Are you implying that Dems just want to hand out welfare checks? Maybe you should check the annual budget for the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)program (commonly referred to as "welfare"). Here's a clue: Its part of the Dept of Health and Human Services. Here's another clue: It ain't a big program, in fact its tiny. Here's another clue: It ain't going away no matter who gets elected president.

Posted by: Anna | September 18, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone paying attention to the Alaskan press?

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/newsreader/story/530000.html

One article said Palin speaking the truth was like Jeffrey Dahmer going to Culinary school. Come on mainstream press - do your research!!!!

Posted by: Concerned Voter | September 18, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

You guys are completely out to lunch. Obama is not proposing tax cuts, rather he is proposing handouts. Approximately, 30% of the country are not tax payers currently, so there are no taxes to cut - they will be getting a check in the mail (by the way, this number grows to 50% under Barry). What do you clowns think happens when half the population has no financial stake in the country whatsoever? Should I also mention that historically, raising the marginal tax rate in the way Barry is suggesting has resulted in lower revenue for the government. So Barry's platform is based on a tax strategy that is anti-growth and will generate lower government revenue coupled with trillions in additional social spending. Genius...


Posted by: Common Sense | September 18, 2008 4:46 PM

------------------------
Handouts? So is this the old "redistrinution of wealth" argument? You mean like pooling over 90% of the countries wealth into the top 2% of the poluation isnt redistrinution of wealth? Its called POOLING. Please by all means continue to defend you supply-side economic farce. ALSO love LOVE your made up tax figures. 50% of the country pays no taxes? WOW thats a new one. By the way supposing that were anywhere near true, you do realise that those folks still PAY taxes that would be returned to them in the form of returns? You also do realise that this money kept over the course of an entire tax year grows in interest? That much like a bank this money acrues interest that is kept by the federal goverment? Please even when you get your figures out of a cracker jack box our premise is still fatally flawed.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how Obama will answer for the fact that he was taking money from Freddie and Fannie and at the same time blocking the reform that was needed to prevent the current financial meltdown!!
No problem - Obamedia will continue allowing him to skate and won't ask him.

Dems for McCain - NO Hussein!

Posted by: zazzle | September 18, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

James, I like what you said. I said the same thing about Bush and how all of a sudden he wants to act like a President. He needs to go somewhere and sit down like he has the entire time of his Presidency with the exception of 9/11. He had no choice but to stand up. He sat down on Katrina victims. You can't tell me he didn't know. He just chose to ignore it until CNN and the rest of the media put him on blast.

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | September 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, recent graduate of Liberty University and proud inventor of "hot chicks vote republican"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

__________________________
This is precious: It's Sarah's Governors mansion. Check out who the neighbors are supporting!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_azorGkCtHTo/SM3c4zkzIHI/AAAAAAAAA3A/S3_BP43nWf4/s1600-h/Slide1.jpg

Posted by: caferide | September 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse


Yes, the conservative approach has worked so well. And Republicans have demonstrated such impeccable judgment in these matters.

I think at this point it's safe to say that we should do exactly opposite of what conservatives say we should.

Posted by: Monk | September 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

obviously there


are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


"tax and spend democrats" is a lie, a myth a scam line....


take their clothes off and put them under public scrutiny....how's that DJIA doing


drug money laundering sinking your country???


takeovers by foreign nationals as your pimped out leader sell you and your country down the tubes?????

don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"


I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away


and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud, and misleading the public


for monetary gain....


it's all about controlling regulation and your tax money....


the current economic crisis?????


_T_H_E_Y_ DID AWAY WITH ALL OVERSIGHT and most regulation...


there isn't even a working ETHICS COMMISION in congress right now


like that's a fxxxing surprise right????


George W. GIVES BLOW JOBS in the whitehouse and


you don't hear about it, do you....


WTF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!! are you too stupid to know what to do????

eviserate them and skin them


"parenthetically speaking" of course


not literally, heaven forbid....

hanging after a fair trial is what they need


DESPERATELY....

.


Posted by: cheezetoast.... | September 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

In a twisted sort of way I almost want McCain to win this election because four more years worth of failed Bush/McCain policies would for all intents and puposes be the end of the Republican party as we know it today. They would become the 4th party gadflies that they deserve to be.


The only question is, would this country survive it?


You people out there who live in economic downtrodden states like Ohio, Pa and Michigan etc, if you are stupid enough to vote for McCain, a guy who is offering four more years of the exact same failed policies that Bush gave us...you will deserve every bit of the continued economic hardship a "President McCain" would give you.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
.

Posted by: former Republican | September 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is experienced -no wait- mccain is for change yeah, thats it, change you can trust -no wait- now he's a populist yeah, yeah, he's for the commom man -no wait- oh, damn, his head just popped.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"And, like Bush, McCain has a remarkable affinity for lobbyists. His campaign has, by my count, 134 lobbyists serving as bundlers or advisers or staff members. He has chosen to associate himself with people who have lobbied for foreign dictators, big oil companies and every corporate special interest you can think of. And yet he gets away with calling himself a reformer. Now, 134 lobbyists are not lining up to support McCain because they actually believe he’s a reformer. If John McCain’s a reformer, I’m a Hassidic diamond merchant.

If Barack Obama can get every voter to learn just two numbers, he will be president. Those numbers are 91 and 134. If by Election Day every American knows McCain votes with Bush 91 percent of the time and has 134 lobbyists in his campaign, then the myth of the maverick reformer will be dead. And with it, McCain’s chances of following his unlikely soul mate as president."

Paul Begala is a political contributor to CNN

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Oh, and anybody with employer based health care, I suggest you look into the plans McCain has for you...........


Taxes need to be increased, be glad Obama is only going to tax the uber rich, rich, and corporations instead of most of you and me. This is a reaction to the trickle down policies of Bush- did those work well enough for you people?


WE CANNOT BORROW FROM CHINA FOREVER!


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama flip flopping Aspergirl.? Come on honey! It is McCain who is flip flopping. They even said it on ABC News last night. Wake up and smell the coffee! The writing is on the wall! Some people are still in denial and refuse to see it.
No Way, No How! No McCain!

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | September 18, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Please, someone find my charts to remind people exactly what percentage of their taxes fund discretionary programs. The interest (on the growing debt), defense, social security, medicare (for aging population not to mention Bush's new prescriotion drug entitlement), and the war costs (if you are a person who counts such things) make up most of the budget. You could cut every discretionary program (in turn throwing an awful lot of people out of work and doing some serious harm to a lot of vulnerable people), and there'd still be a huge tax burden to pay.

Posted by: Ross Perot | September 18, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It is rather obvious that neither McCain nor Obama have the financial and banking background to fix these problems. Biden although a little stronger still falls quite short as seen by personal wealth. Obama and McCain should appoint two people to oversee the new regulations and checks for red flags (tailored like the IRS audit triggers), their names are Bloomberg and Bradley. Together they possess the deep knowledge needed to make sure a reoccurance does not happen and a feasible way out of this mess.

Posted by: Jimbo | September 18, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

the Republick Conners???


they're are a disease.

the vaccine?


jailtime.


hold them responsible. arrest the president and vice president


befor ethey hand out pardons.


the charge, fraud and treason.

criminal and federal charges....charge them and put them in Guantonamo....

you can even flush their koran down the toilet....they've earned it.

maybe they'll commit suicide in "protest"

and we can make fun of their deaths....

happy days ahead AMERICA....take charge and bring some closure to your unindicted felons lives, by indicting prosecuting and executing....

oh my. what a day.


so fun.

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Posted by: what are | September 18, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

I believe that McCain holds the flip-flop world record. He got the gold medal for fastest flip flop in history with the "economy is fundamentally sound" to "economy is in crisis in under 6 hours. And the Silver in "AIG bailout is wrong" to "AIG bailout is right" in under 18 hours. And he has the Gold for Flip Flop on a core value for advocating regulation of Wall Street after 26 years of fighting to deregulate.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

As opposed to the magnificent condition our economy is in, that George Bush has left our country to deal with, "Commonsense"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

>> rcc_2000 wrote: "I do agree with you on one point that Gramm-Rubin-Greenspan are responsible (in a large part) for this mess we are in. Gramm as you probably know is a good friend of McCain and has been one of his principal advisers on economic issues."

I agree with you and if it's not clear by election day that McCain actually repudiates & rejects Gramm's regime, I won't vote for him.

I'm not part of some thought-policed cult like you are where it's a sin to hold contrarian views and where trashy bullies lurk to bash anyone who speaks their views (I'm referring, btw, to the by-now-hopelessly-trashy liberal blogs which Obama supporters have turned into virtual 'hoods where dissenters get shanked).

Bob Rubin is not only an Obama supporter but a main surrogate of his on economic issues. Moreover, Bob Rubin has recently claimed to have a vision of how redistribution of income can fit into his growth-driven-by-finance-expansion regime.

That would be a nice horror show to graft onto the Clinton-cum-Bush economy that has yet to be exorcised of Rubin's influence from the last century!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I can see Russia from my house!!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:36 PM
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Yea, and I can see China from mine!!!!

Posted by: Lisa | September 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

is


a


paid

disinformationist....


she's commiting treason, with every post.


I guarantee it!


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Posted by: aspersquirrel | September 18, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain's tax claims have been exposed as lies. Using McCain's standard of counting votes against tax cuts, and votes to end tax deductions as tax raises, McCain has voted to raise taxes dozens of times. Further, McCain's plan will impose higher middle class taxes than Obama's tax plan.

Posted by: zdefender | September 18, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

You guys are completely out to lunch. Obama is not proposing tax cuts, rather he is proposing handouts. Approximately, 30% of the country are not tax payers currently, so there are no taxes to cut - they will be getting a check in the mail (by the way, this number grows to 50% under Barry). What do you clowns think happens when half the population has no financial stake in the country whatsoever? Should I also mention that historically, raising the marginal tax rate in the way Barry is suggesting has resulted in lower revenue for the government. So Barry's platform is based on a tax strategy that is anti-growth and will generate lower government revenue coupled with trillions in additional social spending. Genius...


Posted by: Common Sense | September 18, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Obama’s tax plan REDUCES taxes for 88% of all Americans. Only the top 2% in the country receive a significant increase in taxes. "

No one believes Obama's new tax positions. He's flip flopping too much & has no record on which to judge which one he'd end up sticking with if he gets elected. At this point, he's a "say anything to get elected" candidate. He's so centrist now HE could be McCain's VP.

No one believes's Obama's reformulated tax plans are serious, just election-season blather on his part.

You can only flip flop so much before people stop believing your shifts mean anything.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:39 PM

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Oh you mean like these VERIFIED flip-flops?

Here are just some of the examples of why and how McCain has sold his soul, flip-flopped to garner conservative support, and lost all credibility in terms of his “straight talk” moniker. If completely reversing and changing your mind about issues, sometimes in a span of 24 hours, is straight talk, I guess McCain is straight up kooky.
* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
* McCain claims to have considered and not considered joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.
* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” He also praised the George W. Bush administration's handling of the crisis. His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
* McCain’s campaign unveiled a Social Security policy that the senator would implement if elected, which did not include a Bush-like privatization scheme. In March 2008, McCain denounced his own campaign’s policy.
* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
* In November 2007, McCain reversed his previous position on a long-term presence for U.S. troops in Iraq, arguing that the “nature of the society in Iraq” and the “religious aspects” of the country make it inevitable that the United States “eventually withdraws.” Two months later, McCain reversed back, saying he’s prepared to leave U.S. troops in Iraq for 100 years. On time tables for withdrawal - Republican John McCain, in a speech forecasting what the country would look like after his first term in office, said May 15th that he expects the war in Iraq to be won and most troops to be home by January 2013. The prediction marks a major departure for McCain, who railed against rival Mitt Romney shortly before the Florida primary for his remark in April 2007 that he thought President Bush and Iraqi leaders should privately discuss a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq. At the time, McCain suggested that the comment would embolden America's foes in Iraq. The Arizona senator leveled the same criticism at Democratic Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, stating that their advocacy for withdrawing troops from Iraq amounted to setting a date for "surrender."
* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.
* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.
* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
* McCain went from saying homosexual marriage should be allowed, to saying homosexual marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as well as Pastor John Hagee as “agents of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the men who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks, Katrina was God’s punishment on us for homosexuality, and that the catholic church was the “great wh*re”
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February 2008
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
* McCain flip-flops on Hamas-
"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another," he said at the time. "And I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice ...
"But it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."
January 2006 – John McCain
Then in May 2008 McCain labels himself Hamas’s “Worst nightmare” and vows to never negotiate with Hamas.
Here are just some of the examples of why and how McCain has sold his soul, flip-flopped to garner conservative support, and lost all credibility in terms of his “straight talk” moniker. If completely reversing and changing your mind about issues, sometimes in a span of 24 hours, is straight talk, I guess McCain is straight up kooky.
* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
* McCain claims to have considered and not considered joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.
* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” He also praised the George W. Bush administration's handling of the crisis. His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
* McCain’s campaign unveiled a Social Security policy that the senator would implement if elected, which did not include a Bush-like privatization scheme. In March 2008, McCain denounced his own campaign’s policy.
* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
* In November 2007, McCain reversed his previous position on a long-term presence for U.S. troops in Iraq, arguing that the “nature of the society in Iraq” and the “religious aspects” of the country make it inevitable that the United States “eventually withdraws.” Two months later, McCain reversed back, saying he’s prepared to leave U.S. troops in Iraq for 100 years. On time tables for withdrawal - Republican John McCain, in a speech forecasting what the country would look like after his first term in office, said May 15th that he expects the war in Iraq to be won and most troops to be home by January 2013. The prediction marks a major departure for McCain, who railed against rival Mitt Romney shortly before the Florida primary for his remark in April 2007 that he thought President Bush and Iraqi leaders should privately discuss a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq. At the time, McCain suggested that the comment would embolden America's foes in Iraq. The Arizona senator leveled the same criticism at Democratic Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, stating that their advocacy for withdrawing troops from Iraq amounted to setting a date for "surrender."
* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.
* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.
* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
* McCain went from saying homosexual marriage should be allowed, to saying homosexual marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as well as Pastor John Hagee as “agents of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the men who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks, Katrina was God’s punishment on us for homosexuality, and that the catholic church was the “great wh*re”
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February 2008
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
* McCain flip-flops on Hamas-
"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another," he said at the time. "And I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice ...
"But it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."
January 2006 – John McCain
Then in May 2008 McCain labels himself Hamas’s “Worst nightmare” and vows to never negotiate with Hamas.
GIANT FLIP-FLOPPER!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The anti-tax rhetoric that has been fueiling Republican success for over 10 years is rooted in both selfishness and idiocy. Sure, you don't want to overtax people, but leaving all of the burden for our wars and bad economic policy to the next generation is nothing short of selfish. Personally, I rather pay a little more in taxes, than lose 30% of my investments in one week, watch my health care costs double, and not get a significant raise. People's abiity to look at almost one aspect of the economy just amazes me: If I have $100 and have to give the government $30, that is a whole heck of a lot better than having $50 and having to give the government $10. I also feel like the anti-tax rhetoric has a really mean undercurrent to it - how dare any of my money go to things like helping the poor - screw them! Personally, I'd rather help the poor, rebuild our infrastructure, and help some people get healthcare than I would bail out huge corporations and pay for ill-advised wars. But that's just me I guess.

Posted by: Can't tax me 'cause I have no money | September 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

MorganaLeFay wrote:

A Democratic Bill? It's really just society's fault? Clinton did it too?
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act:
53 Republican Senators plus one Democrat - AYE
44 Democrats no Republicans - NAY
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, also known as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act, Pub. L. No. 106-102, 113 Stat. 1338 (November 12, 1999), is an Act of the United States Congress which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, opening up competition among banks, securities companies and insurance companies. The Glass-Steagall Act prohibited a bank from offering investment, commercial banking, and insurance services.

The bill was authored by Phil Gramm, McCain's current financial adviser and the person McCain hopes to insert as Fed Chairman.

Clinton signed the bill under Republican threats to block other pending legislation

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thank you

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

John McCain better go sit down somewhere and collect a retirement check, and let his nurse Palin take care of him. His Ideas are too old to lead this nation in the right direction or to take on fiscal responsibility. He is another Bush, Bushwackers, because we all have been Bushwacked of the last 8 years. How come we went from a Surplus under a democratic presidency and now under a republic presidency we are under a major threat, more so that a terror threat. There is no way we could continue under another Republican Administration, because the claim he has so much experience, Experience my foot. For this election the republicans can't beat that drum to loud, because in the past they have used scare tactics to get people out to vote, code orange, red, But never united the us under Red, White, and Blue, Go Obama.

Posted by: James | September 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey - maybe if we cut a little bigger hole in the bottom of this boat, some of the water in the boat will run out. You think?

McCain is thinking like a sailor again. There's just one problem -- he's thinking like a drunken sailor again.

If I can't be your salty dog, don't wanna be your man at all, salty dog ... just a salty dog ...

Maybe he should shut up and let that parrot on his shoulder do the talking. Tax cut, tax cut ... awk ...

Pull up, man, you're gonna land in that drink. You get elected on a no tax pledge, you are gonna have a hell of a time fixing things without, well, you know, doing the opposite of what you said. Guy like you, man, that's gotta hurt. What are you taking for the pain?

Posted by: pressF1 | September 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to pay his or her fair share of taxes. You cannot run a household without a Paycheck or money coming in from somewhere. Now, can you? At least without going into debt or filing bankruptcy.

The taxes that you pay the IRS are used to fund many of the Federal Departments and Agencies that you as a taxpayer depend on everyday. Now grant you, some of these federal agencies may not be needed, but several of them are needed.

It is very "ASININE" for John McCain and the average taxpayer to think that these Departments and Agencies are not needed.

This is why this country is in such "Dire Straits" now.

Some of these departments are listed below:

1. Department of Defense - charged with regulating and coordinating national security and military.

2. Homeland Security - responsible for protecting the country from terrorist attacks and responding to natural disasters.

3. Food and Drug Administration - responsible for the safety of the foods we eat, medicines,

4. Department of Energy, Department of State, and several others.

The "first" time a CRISIS occurs who do the American people LOOK TO, CRY OUT TO, LOOK TO FOR SUPPORT, when they feel that they are not being PROTECTED, i.e, 911, Natural Disasters, Food Poisoning, and this latest Financial Fiasco. When they DO NOT get that support then they want to BLAME the Federal Government.

Where do people think the money is going coming from to fund these departments and agencies? How are they going to operate affectively and efficiently with no resources?

The answer is below:

1. You need a Government that Works for All people and not some.

2. People making over $250,000 a year and Corporations need to start paying their fair share of taxes.

3. This country also needs the "RIGHT" kind of leadership in office to manage and provide the right kind of oversight in these Departments and Agencies to run this country right and that leadership is not John McCain or Sarah Palin.

Neither John McCain nor Sarah Palin have the right kind of LEADERSHIP, MENTAL STRENGTH, INTEGRITY or EXPERIENCE to run this country for the next 4 to 8 years. If the country did not have all of these DAMN problems, then maybe I would think differently

John McCain nor Sarah Palin have the CHARACTER to work across PARTY LINES. He is going to PISS EVERYBODY OFF that he meets with across Party Lines or as a Foreign Negotiator.

The problem with the taxes as we know is that the "Middle Class" and "Lower Class", has been molested repeatedly for the last 8 years.

Btw, why is John McCain talking about removing the chairman of the SEC from his position.

It was not the Chairman of the SEC that created this “MAJOR” Fiasco.

John McCain is such a WEENIE DOG.

Posted by: Va Democrat | September 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

How are Sarah Palin, Bristol Palin, Trig Palin, and Piper Palin similar? They all have the exact same amount of foreign policy experience.

Posted by: I'mSarah&I'mAChronicLiar | September 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

One thing I can't ignore is that Warren Buffet supports Obama.

Why would the richest man in the world, the man everyone regards as a financial genius support Barry Hussein Obama?

I can't figure this out so I ignore it just like I ignore the support Bill Gates has given the Democrats.

But WE have Donald Trump. He's a good selfish conservative and I like his hair. So all is right with the world.

I AM ASPERGIRL! YAAAAAAY!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"Obama’s tax plan REDUCES taxes for 88% of all Americans. Only the top 2% in the country receive a significant increase in taxes. "

No one believes Obama's new tax positions. He's flip flopping too much & has no record on which to judge which one he'd end up sticking with if he gets elected. At this point, he's a "say anything to get elected" candidate. He's so centrist now HE could be McCain's VP.

No one believes's Obama's reformulated tax plans are serious, just election-season blather on his part.

You can only flip flop so much before people stop believing your shifts mean anything.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

One look at the Farm Bill that was passed this year is a good indication of what is to come. Mindless "give aways" of taxpayers monies.

While Dems may not think they are not taxing the middle-class ... they actually are in my book. If my private sector company can longer afford raises, or new programs, or better health coverage due to their increased tax requirements .... what did I actually gain? Nothing. In effect I WAS taxed with absolutely nothing to show for it.

Posted by: Dems ... and the suffering they inflict. | September 18, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain in April declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, was back with the campaign last week.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:
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Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
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Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38Ug_ugzXs
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Posted by: McCain is a LIAR! | September 18, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the Republicans alwasy want to spend but never pay back the debt..??

WHat a bunch of suck ups.

ISA

Posted by: Isa | September 18, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris, has it occurred to you that one of the reasons why people wrongly believe that Obama’s tax plan would increase taxes is that articles like this fail to correct McCain’s lies? I mean, you link to the CNN breakdown, but most people aren’t going to click on it. I recognize that this space is for political junkies, most of whom presumably know that McCain is lying. But still, why not just say: “In fact, according to an objective breakdown by CNN, Obama would cut taxes for everyone making less than $227,000 per year, and he would provide more tax relief than McCain for everyone making less than $161,000.” Seriously, how hard it that?

Posted by: Adam | September 18, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I hate to agree with AsperGirl but it is wrong to "fake" being her. If you want to do that just basterdize her name as some have done. When challenged AsperGirl can scrape up some sort of coherence. I stress "some sort". There is certainly something manic about her postings.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl -- ha! "Negativity" to republicans means Obama is simply correcting lies McCain and Sarah the biitch keep telling about him. McCain must have had fantasies about George Bush wearing lipstick. That explains his choice of Palin.

Posted by: John&SarahGoin'Down | September 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I can see Russia from my house!!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Obviously when Ronald Reagan died they buried his "The Buck Stops Here" sign in the grave with him! You Republicans need to take it like a man, take responsibility for the last disasterous eight years of the Bush Administration. George Bush has proudly said he was a C student in school. I don't think he'll get nearly as high a grade for his Presidency.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

is short fat and ill tempered

just about right for a mole rat....she duh queen....


speaking of pink flaccid and limp

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Posted by: asper squirrel | September 18, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain Versus Obama on Taxes

If you make 38-66K a year:
Obama: -$1,042 (tax decrease)
McCain: -$319 (Decrease)

If you make 66-112K a year:
Obama: -$1,290 (decrease)
McCain: -$1,009 (decrease)

If you make 227-603K a year:
Obama: +12.00 (Yes that’s a twelve dollar increase)
McCain: -$7,871 (decrease)

If you make 803K a year or higher:
Obama: +115,974 (increase)
McCain: -45,361 (decrease yes that DECREASE)

Obama’s tax plan REDUCES taxes for 88% of all Americans. Only the top 2% in the country receive a significant increase in taxes.
One of the richest men in the world Mr. Warren Buffet explains that his secretary has a higher tax rate then he does. Its time for the
richest among us to pay their fair share. We once threw tea into a harbor, we plan to do the same with McCain. Trickle down economics
is a colossal failure. Still McCain sticks to this economic model. No surpsise there. Nothing new, nothing will change and of
course if the “fundamentals of the economy are strong” (John McCain) then no change is needed. Disgusting.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 18, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Democracy is expensive. It is going to cost us something to maintain our society and civilization. The question is are we going to pay as we go (the Dem way) or borrow now to pay later (the Rep way).

The Reps have put us in debt to China for nearly $1,000,000,000,000.

YOU AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.

So decide which is fiscally responsible - live within your means (Dems) or spend, spend spend and pay later (Reps).

Which will it be America?

Posted by: Martiniano | September 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, I like to lie, as I have read this article:

http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/

That says that Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans.

I'm sorry everyone! I got it backwards in my rush to fill my empty, empty days.

I'm a lonely person. No one's hugged me in so long. I don't even know if I can feel love...

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse


Dick Cheney Signer of PNAC Statement of Principles: Cheney’s political career started under President NIXON....then under FORD....Cheney was named Ford’s Chief of Staff.


In 1979 Cheney was elected to Congress for the state of Wyoming.

In 1981 he became the chairman of the House REPUBLIC_CONNER Policy Committee.

In 1989 he was appointed Secretary of Defense for the Bush Sr. administration where he oversaw the first invasion, the Gulf War in Iraq.

SEARCH on APRIL GLASPIE, SADDAM HUSSEIN, transcript


read the transcript and see how april actually invited Saddam to attack the Kuwiatis' at George H.W Bush behest...

A brief and admittedly biased outline of Cheney’s voting record in Congress can be seen here: http: //bush-cheney . net/spotlight/numbers . html . net/issues/labor . html

remove the spaces before you paste it to your address bar...

...During Cheney’s congressional term he was one of the most far right members of congress.

He voted against pro-labor, pro-environment, and pro-family legislation

in favor of pro-industry almost exclusively.


Following his long political career Cheney moved back to Texas and became CEO of Halliburton in 1995.


When Cheney became the Vice Presidential nominee for the Bush Jr. ticket he left Halliburton with a $34 million "retirement" package.


Of course it would be illegal for Halliburton to contribute that much money to a presidential campaign, but it wasn’t a campaign contribution was it?

It was a retirement package, and after all Cheney was the CEO, so he did have a say in how much that amount would be... right?

Under Cheney Halliburton saw a 91 PerCENT increase in government contracts,

became the number one American oil-services company,

the fifth-largest military contractor,

and the largest NON-UNION employer in the country....

so the dichgotrich off of your stupidity....

how's that gay marriage thing feeling now....


real important yes!?


you sold your souls for it and your countrys' future


squits.


.

Posted by: DICK's CHEEZIE... | September 18, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Obviously when Ronald Reagan died they buried his "Bush Stops Here" sign with him. The greatest terrorist attack, the greatest national disaster Katrina, the Enron scandals, the greatest foreign policy blunder (Iraq) in our nation's history, and now the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression....ALL ON GEORGE BUSH'S WATCH! Why don't you Republicans finally face the facts, face the truth...that you're party has screwed up royally.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow AsperGirl that is the first coherent thing you have said all day. Albeit B5. I love it that when a Republican is in office and things go bad it is the Democrats fault and when things go good and the President is a Democrat that it is an illusion. Must be great when the meds kick in (sorry could not help it).

I do agree with you on one point that Gramm-Rubin-Greenspan are responsible (in a large part) for this mess we are in. Gramm as you probably know is a good friend of McCain and has been one of his principal advisers on economic issues.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between McCain/Palin and the moose head on Sarah's wall? The head is more in touch and actually contains a brain.

I think the press should sneak a hidden camera into McCain and Palin's hotel room. Then we'll see why he picked her.

Posted by: John&SarahAreDoin'It | September 18, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Posting comments using my name is just an admission that you can't even be a competent cyberbully. As a kid, did you run and hide after throwing rocks at girls because you were too (1) retarded to fight a girl and (2) afraid to?

You are all so ... well... flaccid, in addition to being inadequate, poor, stupid and cowardly.

Your candidate is shrilling negatively about McCain instead of making coherent economic statements. He's from a great family, too, with his mother who was a pump-and-dump for Third World Muslim men.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Bush's tax cuts for the rich resulted in terrible deficits and an erosion of the value of our dollar. The Arabs aren't stupid; they raised the price of oil accordingly. The result: the high price of gasoline is a form of Flat Tax, with people of all incomes paying the same rate. Think of that next time you fill up.

Posted by: Len | September 18, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

This october surprise will involvle racial hatred.
Mccain is a racist, always has been. His stay in the hanoi hilton made him that way.
He hates asians for a reason but blacks he hates to uphold tradition.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

No need to pay for bailing out the dumb f***s on Wall Street.
LET'S CUT THE CAPITAL GAINS TAXES INSTEAD.

No need to pay for the war.
Just pass a Continuing Resolution.

No need to put it in the budget.
Lie about it.

What was the Surplus when President Sh!t for brains came into office?

What is the deficit today?

NO NEED TO WORRY. REPUBLICAN DEFICITS DON'T MATTER. No-bid Cheney said so....

Posted by: Tomhere | September 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least I wasn't accused of "ghetto" or "tribal" behavior or just being a plain ol' niggr.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama voted FOR Cheney's energy bill that gave HUGE tax breaks to the oil companies!
McCain and Hillary voted against it.

Dems for McCain/Palin!

Posted by: Carla | September 18, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris, if you were doing your job, you would have written that McCain's ads were lies. Provably, demonstrably, lies. Instead, you amplify these lies.

Posted by: Mike | September 18, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Old McCain: War hero. Honorable. Maverick.

New McCain: Lying Scum. Dishonorable. Puppet of Rove & Co.

Posted by: YesTheRealJohnMcCainHasStoodUp | September 18, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

John McCain continues to state the "BIG LIE"....that Obama will raise middle class taxes. Most news coverage is telling the true story...that Obama will lower taxes for 95% of Americans. The Republicans have been handing big fat tax cuts to the rich for eight years, now it's the Middle Class's turn. Please stop lying John, we don't need another liar in the White House. Eight years of that is enough!

Posted by: A.Lincoln | September 18, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

>> rcc_2000 wrote: "I also know that when Clinton took office the Dow was around 3000 when he left office it was at around 11,400. Bush came in at 11,400 and look where it is today."

The stuff that ails us today started during the Clinton Administration. It's the Gramm-Rubin-Greenspan regime we are saddled with. Most of the growth during the Clinton Administration was the illusion of growth using finance & monetary inflation schemes.

The same inflationary, finance-gimmick illusory growth schemes that brought us the tech stock bubble morphed into the real estate bubble via the credit backed derivatives products after the tech bubble burst.

Bush added to the problems by failing to provide oversight and by being negligent to abuses, and by running record federal deficits, but he inherited all the growing problem that has blossomed into our financial crisis today, from the Clinton Administration.

All that growth you loved from the Clinton years, is the party that caused the hangover we are stricken with.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm unemployed because I want to be. Because of that, I never made enough money to pursue a higher education. So, I troll the WaPo comment boards to tell others how charged up I am about my poorly-thought-out worldviews.

I can't be a contributing member of society, so I make sure to inject hatred and pain into rational discourse.

I can't say anything good about Republicans, so I resort to blindly lashing out at Democrats.

I mock others for the negative traits I exemplify.

Maybe the world would be better off without people like me.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse


I will also so as for the tax and liberal talk, America is not falling for that Republican smokescreen this time. It may have worked against Kerry but there is too much at stake and I think Americans realize it thus Obama's bump in the polls.
Let McCain keep talking, the more he opens his mouth, the more people won't trust him and the more those undecided voters and independents will be voting for Obama on Election Day.

Someone earlier posted out the deficits after Reagan, Clinton and Bush leave office. Did you notice Clinton didn't have one? Do people forget how things were after 8 years of Reaganomics and 4 years of beating around Daddy Bush. Now we have 8 more years of beating around the Bush. America would be insane to go around the Bush with McCain. Think about it people!


I recieved this from one of my friends about or candidate for the day.
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a perfect American story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow , Bristol , Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.


* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving
on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, beauty quees, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000
people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.


* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.


* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very
responsible.


* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's
values don't represent America 's.
* If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA , your family is extremely admirable.


OK, much clearer now... What was I thinking??

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | September 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I knew it! McCain is the Manchurian Candidate!

Posted by: ab3 | September 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama encourages bots to be thugs-- as if they needed MORE encouragement.
That's not the kind of leadership we need!

Sept. 18
>>>>This is the quote from the article directly attributed to Barack Obama, "I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

Is that really the political discourse the US needs right now?

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272622788.shtml


Posted by: JoseyJ | September 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

In 2006, John McCain voted with Bush to privatize Social Security. The measure came within 5 votes of passing. If privatization had passed, then today, right now, we would be in the midst of a system-wide American retirement system failure.

Barack Obama had the good judgment to vote against Social Security privatization. And unlike McCain, Barack Obama does not support raising the retirement age nor doing away with cost of living adjustments.

Posted by: AKwatchman | September 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

easy to hate dishonesty


shunt....

you represent evil...

why should you be surprised that you inspire hatred?????


you don't want to be caught, and punished....

it's fun to watch evil squirm, it's more fun to watch it meet the noose

on national television,


after a fair trial.

ruin my country????

that's TREASON budday,

and I'll see you hang.

.

Posted by: it's | September 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

It is such a tired lie.

Th Rs are the party of truly big government. And while they might not raise taxes, they will continue to raise the debt until our economy cannot rebound (because they have no sense when it comes to spending). Put simply, they are the party of irresponsibility.

It was not always that way. There were, in the past, many "true" Republicans that believed in limited government and balancing the budget. It is a shame that those who are left in the party have not spoken out against no-tax bumpersticker Republicans who have no semblance of a policy beyond "win" (for themselves, not for America).

(Actually, I take that back -- Ron Paul, made a statement by not endorsing McCain. He is a true Republican, and has my respect for that.)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

So is it tried and true because you are trotting out such conventional horse race baloney about its efficacy, without correcting the lies that are at the base of the actual policy discussion: lower taxes do not increase government revenues and Obama has specifically targetted middle class families and individuals for tax cuts. Do you have contempt for the intelligence of your readers? Must you tell the same stories over and over again?

Posted by: eddie | September 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

come on Wang Bang do not sink to her level. It is better to let her vent. She is the McBush/Qualin (credit Ed) poster child.

--------------------------------------------


Aspergirl's crotch looks like chewed up pizza on account of her herpes.

Posted by: Wang Bang | September 18, 2008 4:16 PM

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

How could Obama make Government any bigger than the Republicans made it in the last eight years? Just for one example that always annoys me... Bush created the DHS, the biggest, most useless bureaucracy ever created on this planet.

Posted by: GeorgeSimian | September 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Another day, another McCain LIE.

Obama's tax plan will preserve or lower tax rates on 95% of American families: i.e., those making below $250K.

It's ludicrous listening to Republican so-called 'conservatives' bleat about "Big Government" and how much it would cost.

As if the GOP had spent the last 8 years collectively imprisoned on Mars, watching helplessly as bodysnatching socialist aliens spent us from a record surplus into a record debt in their names.

And for WHAT? Certainly not jobs! Not economic growth! Not infrastructure! Not sustainable, renewable domestic energy! Not military readiness! Not transparent government! Not healthcare or education!

But we DID manage to sell our souls to China for an ongoing sinkhole of an elective war in Iraq. We've worn out our military, cratered our international image & credibility, watched a major US city drown, mortgaged our grandkids' futures, swelled the ranks of the jobless and un(der)insured...and the list goes on. Just yesterday we bought a failed insurance company for a cool $85 Billion. (Don't hold your breath waiting for the dividend checks.)

Halliburton stock _has_ enjoyed a nice run, though; and the military-industrial complex thanks you for your patriotic sacrifice (sorry about your kids and your 401k).

Posted by: Adam | September 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

A Quinnipiac Survey publicized today in the AFP pointed to 33% of the sample believing that Obama's tax plan would benefit the middle class. By contrast, 51% said that McCain's tax plan would benefit the wealthy only, while only nine percent said it would aid the middle class.

It's a snapshot of something that isn't being studied a lot, but there is empirical evidence out there to suggest that the preconceptions aren't as cut and dry as the McCain team may think.

Additionally I'd suggest that the last thing McCain needs is another day of media outlets questioning his campaign's honesty while publishing facts that discredit his ads (as this blog did, right now, with the link to CNN.com's analysis). "Dishonest and out-of-touch" isn't the narrative the McCain campaign should be stiving for right now.

Posted by: Eric | September 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

why should people with 7 homes get more of a tax break than those with one?

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

name is d white

I have a little one,

and I am trying to sell it


I have my own t weezers go dwight suck it up


little sausage boy ah


shunt.


shunt.


putz.


.

Posted by: my | September 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

>> DDAWD wrote: "Don't be sexist. Women are allowed to be just as racist as the men."

DDAWD, the one-trick pony. He can project any issue, anything, onto the 2-dimensional cutouts of his black & white world.

He still probably believes that Hillary & Bill Clinton are evil racists who must die, because Hillary didn't resign her candidacy as soon as Obama declared his.

He reads newspapers because just for all that black and white. He pops into discussions just to add some pointed racial remark.

Sadly, he's only one of several distinct personality in the personality-disordered lunatic who is fixated on me and lurks this board and "comments" me using multiple names.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I suppose you think $250K is a lot of money, too, so that people who make more than than should be "patriotic" and hand over the "excess" and carry the socio-economic baggage of people who don't feel responsible for supporting themselves.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:02 PM
-------------------------------------------
The way in which you cast the idea of paying taxes as "handing over the excess" falsely characterizes the issue.

I would willingly pay more in taxes--if I felt more people would benefit from what the taxes were used for. Republicans seem more than happy to cheer on the debt in borrowed billions we're racking up for our kids and grandkids when it goes to funding a war that never should have happened. And Republicans are more than happy to have my tax dollars when it funds their pet pork projects--like the Bridge to Nowhere and other foibles.

But God forbid we should improve the health and welfare (small 'w') of the general populace. Screw them, you say. Let them go to the emergency room. Let them visit the (empty) food bank. Some church should help them. Infrastructure? The air traffic system? The power grid? Who needs it, as long as my own Beemer glides sleekly by and my lights stay on and I can still play a round of golf far from the masses (that one's for you JakeD).

And how many of these same people call themselves "religious" or "values" voters? You have "values," all right. But you value all the wrong things--money over humanity, compassion. I'm reminded of the quote: Republicans love America, they just hate half the people living there.

I have news for you: $250,000 IS a lot of money. To me. To my neighbors. To my family. And probably to a lot of people you know, too, AsperGirl. Greed ain't pretty. And it isn't a family value.

Posted by: tellthetruth | September 18, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"I'm unemployed by choice, not necessity, and work when I want to. "

Riiiiiiiight. Independently wealthy - check.

AsperGirl, when you take the bus, do you have to pay extra for your sock puppets?

Posted by: bondjedi | September 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

PS AsperGirl I make a lot more than $250,000 and have a lot more than that in assets. I am also a business owner and proud of my Country. I am not voting for McCain because he will continue to follow Bush policy and waste my money. As someone with money I know that even though my taxes were higher under Clinton I was also making a lot more money because of him... I also know that when Clinton took office the Dow was around 3000 when he left office it was at around 11,400. Bush came in at 11,400 and look where it is today.

Ok now spew your stuff...

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

GW = McCain
Quayle = Palin

Go McBush/Quaylin

Posted by: Ed | September 18, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl's crotch looks like chewed up pizza on account of her herpes.

Posted by: Wang Bang | September 18, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Elliott Abrams Project of the New America Century [PNAC] signer ...

Zalmay Khalilzad PNAC signer currently US AMBASSADOUR TO the UNITED NATIONS...

William Kristol PNAC signer zionist and butbuddy to George W., he doesn't just wet his seegar....he puts it in.


Richard Perle PNAC

Zalmay Khalilzad, Bushs special envoy to the Iraq opposition, ...

A founding member of the pnac, the Pentagon supremo is probably one of the best-connected ...

Zalmay Khalilzad Signer of PNAC Statement of Principles: Khalilzad was an assistant to Paul Wolfowitz for the Bush Sr. administration.


In the 1990s he was a paid consultant to Unocal....Unocal is owned by CHEVRON

Unocal now CHEVRON, was seeking contracts to build a large natural gas pipeline in Afghanistan.


Unocal now owned by CHEVRON, is the worlds ninth largest oil company.


In 1997 Unocal was charged with human rights violations in connection with allegedly hiring Burmese militants to protect their operations from striking workers.


Unocal has also been sited for supporting Khalilzads work with Unocal was brief.


Khalilzad was born in Afganistan, then later moved to the United States to earn his Ph.D. from the University of Chicago. Khalilzad has played a very strong role in the reconstruction of Afghanistan and the construction of the interim government there....while working for


DONALD RUMSFELD....

Posted by: wiki info... | September 18, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza is really pushing the old BS today. Is anyone out there still catching?

Posted by: JLE | September 18, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR Government (President, Congress, Supreme Court) looked the other way, while Super-capitalist Obscenely Rich WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. Treasury and Forced the $Trillion Debt Upon the American People.


Average Americans are becoming poorer, because GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET super rich SPECULATORS and corporate CEOs are paying themselves, business partners, friends, and family members at least $10,000,000 annually from MONEY STOLEN FROM THE U.S. TREASURY. These major crimes committed by WALL STREET SPECULATORS AND CEOs have gone beyond greed and into acts of treason against the American People. Seize the stolen money and properties valued in the $Tillions back from these super criminals for attacking America. Those stolen $Millions / $Billions / $Trillions belong to the American People.

RULE OF LAW states that the People of the United States will be defended. Those who attack American Citizens will be prosecuted. WALL STREET SPECULATORS and CORPORATE CEOs dictatorship over the American People is over. Average Americans are not going to accept WALL STREET COPORATE CRIMES anymore. Long live the Rights of Citizen and Average Workers of the United States. Long Live the American PEOPLE, because We Love America.


GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET $TRILLION FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Direct impact of McCain sponsored deregulations
Bankrupt and floundering
Failure of the investment bank
Government's takeover

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET's business model has collapsed

Greed and fear routinely govern GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET financial markets and GLOBAL CRISIS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET (giant investment houses, brokerage firms, hedge funds, "private equity" firms) irresponsibly TRADED the savings of average Americans (placed LAS VEGAS STYLE BETS on extremely high risk stocks, bonds, and other securities).

DUBIOUS MORTGAGES were PACKAGED into BONDS and SOLD and TRADED. Investment houses had huge incentives to increase LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWING).

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET compensation is heavily skewed toward annual bonuses, reflecting the profits traders and managers earned in the tune of lavish base salaries and obscenely high annual bonuses of $20,000,000.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET relies heavily on OBSCENELY HIGH LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWING). $3 Trillion (stocks, bonds, other securities) backed by only $80 billion in shareholders' equity while the $2.8 Trillion was LEVERAGE (BORROWED).

Leverage (huge borrowing) can create huge debts (huge principal and interest obligations)

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET is a manic machine for gambling.
Traders and money managers are given huge incentives to do whatever would increase short-term profits.

For decades, GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN sponsored legislation that broadly deregulated WALL STREET banking and insurance industries.

GOP REPUBLICAN JOHN MCCAIN swept away Consumer Protection legislation and opened the way for a less restricted high risk financial marketplace.

While the GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET boom continued, government (White House, Congress, Supreme Court) looked the other way.

GOP REPUBLICAN Congress resisted tougher regulation and permitted WALL STREET to run out of control and obscenely high LEVERAGE (OBSCENELY HIGH BORROWED MONEY) RATIOS perpetrating intentional fraud against the American People.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET leaders intentionally deceived customers and lenders into taking hazardous risks for short-term rewards regardless of the long-term dangers to the American People.

Mortgages went bad. The powerful high leverage went into reverse. Losses eroded firms' capital bases and raised doubts about their survival.

Financial firms took major stupid and wasteful risks that severely damaged the American Economy and impeded economic recovery.

GOP REPUBLICAN STOCK MARKET $ TRILLION FRAUD has deepened consumers' pessimism, fear and reluctance to spend. There may be more failures of FINANCIAL FIRMS.

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET financial crises resemble the GOP REPUBLICAN illegal miscalculated war.

The View Destroyed Unprepared GOP REPUBLICAN John McCain

McCain / Palin Failin are rejected for voting against Women Rights

WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR Government (President, Congress, Supreme Court) looked the other way, while Super-capitalist Obscenely Rich WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. Treasury and Force the Trillion Dollar Debt Upon the American People.


GOP REPUBLICAN LIARS SUPER RICH WALL STREET GET RICH QUICK GREEDY
BILLION DOLLARS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS RISKY UNSECURED LOANS
REPACKAGED AND SOLD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

GOP REPUBLICAN LIARS SUPER RICH WALL STREET ROBBER BARONS
COMMIT TREASON AND GRAND FRAUD AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


WALL STREET SRO - SELF REGULATORY ORGANIZATION
OUR Government (President, Congress, Supreme Court) looked the other way, while Super-capitalist Obscenely Rich WALL STREET SRO Speculators Robbed Our U.S. Treasury and Force the Trillion Dollar Debt Upon the American People.


HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ANGERED BY SARAH PALIN’S REMARKS

Comments uttered by Sarah Palin has angered Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton who described Sarah Palin as an opportunist with no qualifications. Senator Hillary Clinton also stated that John McCain and Sarah Palin’s records on women’s rights are abominable. The country cannot withstand anymore George Bush failures cloaked in McCain/Palin. Asking Sarah Palin to become Vice President is like asking a moose to pilot the shuttle.


National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorsed Pro-Women’s Rights ticket Obama / Biden for their outstanding works bettering the lives of women.


PALIN FAILIN RETURNED HOME TO 2,000 ALASKAN PROTESTERS WHO CHEERFULLY CHANTED "O-BAM-AH.

Gov. Sarah Palin Failin returned home to 2,000 protesters outside the Anchorage library who wanted to correct the widespread impression that the Last Frontier endorses her candidacy.

"Last week this was just ten women sitting around talking about this perception that all of Alaska supports Sarah Palin Failin. We apparently hit a nerve and started a movement,"

A sense of festival obtained. There was a woman in a polar bear suit representing "Polar Bear Moms Say: No Palin Failin." Drivers on 36th Avenue saw a little girl waving a sign "Don't Ban My Books."

"My mom is from Alaska. She's a working mother. She's good looking," said Nolan. "So she seems to be qualified to be vice president."


Sarah Palin Failin Protesters Held Signs Reading:

Bush In A Skirt
Palin Failin She Be Failin
Jesus Was a Community Organizer
Palin Failin: Thanks But No Thanks
Smearing Alaska's Good Name One Scandal @ a Time
Candidate To Nowhere
Rape Kits Should Be Free
Voted For Her Once: Never Again!
Community Organizers are the Real Patriots
Barbies for War
I Shall Not Be Pandered To
Give Palin Failin Your Vote AND Your Draft Age Child
Sarah Palin Failin: So Far Right She's Wrong
Alaska Is Not Frisco
Coat Hangers for McCain
Sarah Palin Failin, Undoing 150 Years of American Feminism
Hockey Mama for Obama (on a hockey stick)


Cheerful chants of "O-bam-ah.


National Organization of Women (NOW) Endorses Obama / Biden For Their Pro-Women Rights Stance


McCain / Palin Failin are rejected for their anti-women stance and votes against Women Rights

Posted by: GOP REPUBLICANS MARKET FRAUD AGAINST AMERICA | September 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

rmorrow -- Republicans necessarily view accurate reporting of facts as attacks on them.

Posted by: TheTruthTheWholeTruth&Nuthin'ButTheTruth(unless you're John & Sarah) | September 18, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama in NM:

"We can't mess with the marketplace"

OMG he's using quotes from my complaint about Phil Gramm earlier this week, almost word for word:

Phil Gramm is the "architect" of [the problems we face today] ... there's a rumor that John McCain will appoint Gramm as treasury secretary.

LOL. Obama's pulling insults from everywhere, even these pages...

Let's see... where is a copy... OH YEAH

"JOHN MCCAIN IS A PHIL GRAMM HUGGER???

"It's shocking that John McCain is such a Gramm-hugger. If there is any one person who is responsible for the mess we are in economically, Gramm's actions and initiatives, which he pushed through during the Clinton and Bush Administrations, makes him own these Wall Street failures more than anyone else. Gramm has done unimaginable damage to our economy and our standing in the world.

"If John McCain is a Gramm-hugger, that's a deal-breaker. He said he wasn't strong on the economy, but how could he be that clueless? Phil Gramm, along with Alan Greenspan and Bob Rubin, is the architect of the banking & finance derivatives problems and the commodity trading loopholes that have so damaged our economy in this decade with investment schemes, speculative bubbles and inflation.

"If John McCain doesn't make it obvious he repudiates and rejects Phil Gramm and his economic policies, he will lose my support. It's worth voting against John McCain just to block the possibility that Phil Gramm could be named Treasury Secretary. That WORSE than John McCain putting Alan Greenpan back as the Federal Reserve Chair.

"Sorry, but Phil Gramm is a deal-breaker. It would be better to elect a socialist than a Phil Gramm hugger!"

OMG, Obama's riff about Phil Gramm is condensation of my post.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

It is a common Republican misconception that the top earners pay for the majority of the taxes. Where does all the money come from that these top earners are funneling in? FROM MIDDLE CLASS AND LOWER CLASS PUMPING THEIR MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY. It may look like it is unfair to pay more overall money in taxes, but when that money is unfairly given to you what do you expect? It may not be called "taxes" but all of that money is unfairly divvied out in a way where most of it ends up in the hands of the smallest percentage of people. The wealthy do not have any way to prove that they deserve their millions and billions when there are millions of just as intelligent, just as hard-working people barely able to feed their kids. Greed, greed and more greed is all I hear coming out of the republican party. When the country as a whole is better off, everyone is better off.. including the wealthy. If wealth was more evenly distributed we wouldn't have the economic problems you see today.

Posted by: Nick | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Mccain has used lies and confusion so far.

From here on in it will be fear and racial hatred.

Fear from his personal campaign.

Racial hatred from his legions of surrogates.

Don't be fooled this time.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

treetopflyer, I have to agree I love the spewing's of AsperGirl except I am kind of starting to feel bad because I think she may actually be mentally unstable (more so than the average GOP'er) and we are only encouraging the dementia.

But I love it when she reacts to what we write.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

and


now I'm posting


as Elliy Kuuperman

.

Posted by: my name is Aspick Girl | September 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

dems have a bigger problem, all their wall street cronies are ripping off the America taxpayer...round up edwards, gore and all of corzines buddies...hang them...

Posted by: Dwight | September 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

and I like George's


little one.

.

Posted by: my name is rmorrow | September 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Right, Obama is "for the people". Not only would his tax plan further sink the economy, let's look at his connections to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - Obama is deep in the pocketbooks of these companies (among congressmen, he's very near the top of the list of politicians who've received large contributions from them). Obama can go on and on about change and new politics, but he's one of the most conventional politicians I've ever seen - full of self-interest, devoid of content, and lacking in character. For all the aspersions you wish to cast on McCain (who at least made an attempt in 2005 at a housing reform bill that unfortunately never passed) look at the alternative. If there's going to be a change in politics, it certainly won't come from Obama. And if newspapers like the Washington Post had a shred of journalistic integrity, they'd spend some time highlighting Obama's connections to big business and maybe poke some holes in his underdeveloped, poorly thought out economic plan. But they won't, naturally.

Posted by: EllieK | September 18, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"AsperGirl - tsk, tsk, such a violent temper. Are you even a girl? Is "girl" sexist? Perhaps double-Y?"

Don't be sexist. Women are allowed to be just as racist as the men.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 18, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

notice that John McCain

is a little one,


and 90 PERCENT OF HIS CAMPAIGN IS


________________L_I_E_S__________________


and some people need you to believe those lies so that they don't go to jail......

and those people support John McCain

like Tom Delay

like Scooter LIEbby

like Karl Rove


like Donald Rumsfeld


Like Porter Goss


Like John Negroponte


Like Michael Chertoff


Like the rest of the r*ape burn and pillage while


we put the pillow slip overthe head of Liberty...

.you know


bushCo und Cronerstag

the NAZIS in the REPUBLIC_CONNER closets....


das uber schlime


.

Posted by: anyone | September 18, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

WHAAAAT?


Really AsperGirl I am encouraging you to keep on writing. Honestly it re-enforces my opinion of the majority of your GOP.

You are a hypocrite. You write "The NERVE of that porch monkey Obama!" ..."Do you realize what that will do to my Chippendale Stud Farm??!!?" "my best young studs are all black! " and talk about my behavior on a in this forum?

I ask again how do you type in a straight jacket?
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>>rcc_2000 wrote: "My question to you is, how do you type in a straight jacket?"

The fact that you bring this kind of behavior onto forums shows how you talk among your friends & family. I.e. your verbal belittling and disrespectful behaviors are signature of people from trashy family.

"interpersonal disrespect" == "from trashy family"

Except when it's really funny or clever, which none of you are.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:59 PM

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

>>treetopflyer wrote: "I love it when you go off on me (there, I've said, yes, oh YES! and I mean it! ;-p). Are you so thick as to not realize that an insult from you is actually a compliment? It's kind of like getting an insult from Mussolini...."

I'm glad it was good for you.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

When will the GOP voters get you can't continue to fight your perpetual wars and keep cutting taxes. You can't keep shoveling borrowed money into the system to shore up your folly.

Why does the GOP hate America?

Posted by: Becca | September 18, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

And I'm clearly, by my own definition, from a trashy family.

Pity me!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I have to pay attention to this one... Senator Chuck Hagel (R) says McCain is insulting the public and Sarah Palin has not enough experience:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2835&u_sid=10435997

This is credible, coming from him, in my book.

Posted by: marov1 | September 18, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I have to come here and spew hate because I hate myself. The only way I can feel better isn't to improve my own life, but to make sure the lives of others are worse.

That's why I'm so fervently Republican.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

>>rcc_2000 wrote: "My question to you is, how do you type in a straight jacket?"

The fact that you bring this kind of behavior onto forums shows how you talk among your friends & family. I.e. your verbal belittling and disrespectful behaviors are signature of people from trashy families.

"interpersonal disrespect" == "from trashy family"

Except when it's really funny or clever, which none of you are.

I suppose you think $250K is a lot of money, too, so that people who make more than than should be "patriotic" and hand over the "excess" and carry the socio-economic baggage of people who don't feel responsible for supporting themselves.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Anybody notice that nobody at the Washington Post or NYT can write anything but attacks on McCain any more?

Posted by: rmorrow | September 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Proof-postivie that H.L. Mencken was right. No one every went broke understimating the intelligence of the american.

How about some facts?

After Fiscal Conservative Reagan's term: 200B Deficit

After Fiscal Conservative Bush I's term: 100B Deficit

After Tax & Spend Liberal Clinton's Term: 128B SURPLUS

After Fiscal Conservative BushCo's term: 490B Deficit (will most likely now be higher).

Stupid is as stupid does. Go ahead. Vote for another "fiscal conservative". Might as well finish off the job the other incompetent slugs started.

Posted by: CSD | September 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

the Congress from 1994 up until 1996 was Republican controlled but they love blaming the Democrats as Tax and Spend.
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Sorry, meant to say 1994 up until 2006 they shanghai'd Congress.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | September 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Leave poor Aspergirl alone - she's perimenopausal.

Posted by: Roy | September 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes Jason, you are a Republican. You think if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.

Have you ever noticed that the vast majority of McCain supporters can not even articulate a clear thought and simply post gibberish? Not all, there are a few here who I may disagree with but they effectively construct their point. But the majority are certifiable.

Don't get me wrong there are a few Dem nut cases also but in inverse proportions.
-------------------------------------------
McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

Posted by: jason | September 18, 2008 3:38 PM

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

All you people have to do is look at facts and not the ads being run. The facts, The Repugnants have had the White House 20 outta the past 28 years, and in each subsequent Republican takeover, the economy has failed worse than when their predecessors were in the White House. Facts, the Congress from 1994 up until 1996 was Republican controlled but they love blaming the Democrats as Tax and Spend. Well, apparently the GOP is borrow what you don't have and spend what you can't afford and leave the Dems to clean up the mess. The Republicans Carnival Cruise Administration is mostly to blame for this mess and all the negative ads in the world won't change it. They have ruined this country's economy and they will pay, I mean they will pay dearly.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | September 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

>>rcc_2000 wrote: "My question to you is, how do you type in a straight jacket?"

The fact that you bring this kind of behavior onto forums shows how you talk among your friends & family. I.e. your verbal belittling and disrespectful behaviors are signature of people from trashy family.

"interpersonal disrespect" == "from trashy family"

Except when it's really funny or clever, which none of you are.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

How about "Tried and Tired"?

How many decades have Republicans tried to label Democrats with the same old song?

Which party spent us into economic destruction with "God's war" and ran up debt after Clinton?

Republicans have nothing to offer but the same litanies they have used for decades with a hateful and deceitful Rovian twist in the
last one.

Granpa Simpson and Annie Oakley are no different than Bush and Cheney all over again.
Because they can't tell us how they are any different, they resort to the same tired politics.

No more years.

Posted by: Roy | September 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Alot of racial hatred today, the republicans must be losing. The devil never notices you until you get religion.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Here they go again. Those Republicans are falsely accusing Democrats as Tax-and-Spenders, but they conveniently keep out the fact that Republicans has been borrowing and spending for the last 8 years, driving the anual U.S. budget deficit through the roof and piling up massive national debt which had started to go down previously during the Clinton years. If anyone is running their household the way the Republicans have in the last 8 years, he would be in the poor house by now. It's no wonder foreigners are dumping the dollars and inflation is running amok. The dollar just isn't worth as much as it use to during the Clinton years. As a matter of fact, if using the Euro as standard, a dollar now is only worth as much as 60 cents in the year 2000.

Posted by: pspox | September 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse


To be honest:

The republicans have caused the
current problem on Wall Street through
people like Senator Graham who advocated
reducing oversight on Wall Street.
Graham is sure to be McCain's
treasury secretary so we can
pretty much rest assured that
the rich will continue to rob
as much as they can from the
middle class until they are
poor.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | September 18, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin -- Rogaine/NoBrain

Posted by: HaveWeFooledYouYet? | September 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl - tsk, tsk, such a violent temper. Are you even a girl? Is "girl" sexist? Perhaps double-Y?

I love it when you go off on me (there, I've said, yes, oh YES! and I mean it! ;-p). Are you so thick as to not realize that an insult from you is actually a compliment? It's kind of like getting an insult from Mussolini. (Any relation, BTW? That's IT, I remember now! Mussolini's daughter was a porn star, and was even elected to the Italian parliament. True story! Welcome to American politics, daughter of Il Duce.)

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

obviously there

are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS and suckersin the audience today....I can even feel that little dweeb and butmonkeeJohnMcCAin


trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


"tax and spend democrats" is a lie, a myth a scam line....


take their clothes off and put them under public scrutiny....how's that DJIA doing


drug money laundering sinking your country???


takeovers by foreign nationals as your pimped out leader sell you and your country down the tubes?????

don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"


I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away


and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud, and misleading the public


for monetary gain....

it's all about controlling regulation and your tax money....


the current economic crisis?????

_T_H_E_Y_ DID AWAY WITH ALL OVERSIGHT and most regulation...

there isn't even a working ETHICS COMMISION in congress right now


like that's a fxxxing surprise right????


George W. GIVES BLOW JOBS in the whitehouse and


you don't hear about it, do you....


WTF


.


Posted by: cheetoseof LUBBY DUBBY.... | September 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Why is "The Fix" afraid to state a simple fact - that McCain's latest attack claiming Obama plans to raise taxes on the middle class - is a lie?

By describing the false claim as a "tried and true tactic" in the second sentence in the column, thus wrongly associating truth with lying, while no where stating directly that the lie is in fact a lie, "The Fix" has indeed put 'the fix in' for McCain.

Posted by: careysub | September 18, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

Not one of your posts contain anything close to a rebuttal or for that matter an argument.

My question to you is, how do you type in a straight jacket?
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Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008

The ghetto-community college, 75 I.Q. Obama supporters who can't come up with real rebuttals strike again at those whose posts they hate but don't understand.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow they have really come out in force today. Not sure if you read all of these comments or just let them lay like so much chum. Are you glad you have people you know who don't drag their knuckles to speak with?

Also do you want to shower after you read these comments?

Posted by: NYC | September 18, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

and I'm a homol suzcuah

Posted by: my name is Asper Girl | September 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a "special" prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam.

McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the "red button," claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide.

Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation.

At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed "to put a man's mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened."

Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in "harsh psychological battles" with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress.

In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as "insane McCain," is well known for having a "volcanic" temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults.

Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain's in your face temperament up close. "His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson said. "Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause."

The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with "increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer."

The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.

McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body.

These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

McCain's POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a "royal family" and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in "solitary confinement."

In February, Reuters news reported that McCain's former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. "In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize," said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military.

Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam.

No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain's first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system.

Within days of McCain's shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their "mind and behavior modification" drugs on such an important prisoner.

McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain.

U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with "mind control" techniques and behavior modification drugs

Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that "a sinister battle for men's minds" was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained "have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them."

During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of "chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes." The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation.

Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain's unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½ prisoner of the communists.

The American public was first exposed to Soviet "brain perversion techniques" during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare.

By the end of the Korean War, "70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted."

Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States.

Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam's original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations.

Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could "put a man's mind into a fog."

Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows "free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media."

Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.

In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets."

Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.

In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.

More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."

During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war.

News pundants have elevated McCain to "the most popular national political figure in the country" by repeatedly describing him as a "war hero" based on his refusal accept a communist offer of "early release" from captivity.

What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp's senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, "it would be the longest held prisoner" Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer.

It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

Is McCain taking any kind of pain or "nerve" medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions?

McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?

Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?

Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp?

McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return?

Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam?

Does McCain's former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

There are ample studies that show that McCain's tax "plan" and spending promises will cost much more than Obama's.

To cite any of those facts would require effort on the part of Cillizza, so don't expect them here.

Posted by: michael4 | September 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

wearer...


and a money taker,


her only purpose is to confuse and mislead...


sh eshould be prosecuted, not


left blameless,


punish her lies with a lawsuit,


propaganda that is to mislead the voting public purposely


is TREASON

and should be PROSECUTED....

take a bite out of crime, bite Asper Girl

.

Posted by: Asper Girl is a weenie | September 18, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

edge wrote: "Hey Obama, why not give us $5,000 each? Afterall it isn't your money anyway...Just steal more from those rascally rich folks that EARNED it."

Or we could have just as easily asked President Bush and Senator McCain to have skipped war with Iraq and just passed out $23,560 each to every Iraqi. That is, after all, what we have already spent there on this war ($589 billion divided by 25 million Iraqis), and, after all, it isn't their money anyway. Let's just steal it from our children and grandchildren who have yet to earn it.

Steve Hight

Posted by: Steve Hight | September 18, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who can add two and two together, which lets out the looney-left, realizes that Sen. Obama's programs will raise taxes. Good grief, in his acceptance speech, he virtually promised everything to everyone!
How could taxes NOT go up with so many proposed programs?
Sen. Obama's only econonic expertise comes from that sweetheart loan he got from the corrupt crook Rezco who financed Obama's house--apparently because he likes the senator's smile.
If Obama is elected, will the convicted for corruption crook Rezco continue to be an Obama financial advisor?
If you've never heard of Rezco, it's because the biased media refuses to tell the American people about Sen. Obama's connections with Rezco, not to mention Obama's associations with terrorists such as Bill Ayers.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | September 18, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, please keep posting! You are the poster child for the McCain/Palin ticket. Your views exemplify the GOP perfectly. Thank you so much and please, please, educate the world on the McCain values!

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The NERVE of that porch monkey Obama! Wanting to tax farmers who make more than $250K per year!! Do you realize what that will do to my Chippendale Stud Farm??!!? I'll have to unload some of my best hung young studs!!! What Obama doesn't realize is that my best young studs are all black! Talk about black-on-black violence.....

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:40 PM

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

J ONH MCCAIN TEACHING FOREIGN POLITIC TO PALIN

After a short list of republican candidates to VP of McCain, then was chosen the govern of Alaska to his runing mate. But before to present Palin to the American people, McCain taught something of foreign politic for her:

McCain: You need know deeply the Bush Doctrine, Palin.

Palin: Ok! You are right, Jonh.

McCain: I already contracted Gibson to teach you.

Palin: No, No Thanks...

McCain: To know on Sunnis and Shiites, two branches of Islam that split violently.

Palin: Yes! Iraq War is mission of God, Jonh.

McCain: Why we need to attack strongly the actions of the Al Qaeda in any place.

Palin:No problems! I’m ready to serve, Jonh.

McCain: I'm afraid it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq/Pakistan border.

Palin: I have a great rifle there at home to hunt bears...

McCain: Do you know something on President Putin of Germany?

Palin: Yes! They're our next door neighbors, and I can actually see Russia there of my home.

McCain:Great! I see that you are totally qualified.

HUGS FROM BRAZIL FOR ALL CONSCIOUS CITIZENS IN USA!!!

Posted by: Dalmo | September 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Being anti-tax may be a tried and true political strategy, but as practiced by Republicans in power, it's destroying the country.

Republicans spend more than Democrats, buy the nation far less for the money, and pass on the debt to future grown ups to pay down.

Compared to that, Tax and Spend looks pretty good.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

AWESOME as poll show that attack fails miserably. Take a look at the economy. Thank your local Republican.

Posted by: Scy | September 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Let's see: under a Republican Administration and a Republican Congress government has had the largest expansion in history, the national debt has nearly doubled...but wealthiest Americans saw their income increase 95% in 8 years. Massive tax cuts for wealthy individuals and corporation have altered tax revenues from 21% of GNP to 18 %, but it's the Democrats who will make things painful? How exactly? By increasing the miniumum wage, restoring the top tax rate of 2000, ending the 12 billion a month that disappears into Iraq and providing tax credits for alternative fuel research?
McCain wants to build 20 new nuclear power plants--at 10 to 11 billion each, where will THAT money come from, since he plans to cut top tax rates and corporate rates further? By ending earmarks (which at 17 billion, account for 1/2 of 1 percent of government spending)? By using Palin's euphemistic "efficiencies"? He can muddy away--but since Reagan, the 3 Republican presidents have added 8 TRILLION to the national debt, and the lone Democrat ran a surplus--bulls**t like McCain,s just won't wash.

Posted by: bklyndan | September 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

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The NERVE of that porch monkey Obama! Wanting to tax farmers who make more than $250K per year!! Do you realize what that will do to my Chippendale Stud Farm??!!? I'll have to unload some of my best hung young studs!!! What Obama doesn't realize is that my best young studs are all black! Talk about black-on-black violence.....

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:40 PM

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I am a stupid jerkwad.

Posted by: jason | September 18, 2008 3:42 PM

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The ghetto-community college, 75 I.Q. Obama supporters who can't come up with real rebuttals strike again at those whose posts they hate but don't understand.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

fricking BRAZIL IS OIL INDEPENDANT AND 10 YEARS AGO THEY COULDNT EVEN BUILD THEIR OWN AIRPLANES....

we are OIL DEPENDENT BECAUSE OF BUSH...AND HIS FAMILY...


$380 MILLION DOLLAR RETIREMENT BONUSES... most profitable BIG OIL YEARS IN HISTORY LAST YEAR...


yet in one small moment , most federal workers could become telecommuters ,


factories could come home ,


rural Americans could get the overseas customer service and quit driving into their jobs at WalMart

...city infrastructure planning ,


3 day work weeks ,


a fricking mountain of different things that would go into making us use about 1/3 less oil within a month....


WWII showed us what we could do as a nation...


George W. Bush has sold us BS as a steady diet and bass you and Kvn are the same sorta bullsh*tters...

we dont need oil and neither does Europe and stealing ?


is that really necessary ?


you stupid a**hole ?

it is if you dont want to use your money....


lying sack of sh*t , you are treasonous , hiding behind ISARELI ZIONISTS because they WANT YOU TO KILL PEOPLE SO THEY CAN EXPAND


....someone should stop you _HARD_...your evil is the insidiousness of uncaring thoughtless agression of the monied against the poor and less capable.... indigenous peoples bodies are your fertilizer...........


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Posted by: omg.... | September 18, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is the champion of the republican party. The party of filty rich and wealthy corporations. The party responsible for the last Great Depression and stock market failure.
With the economy in turmoil their only recourse is using lies, confusion, racial hatred and fear to stay in power.
Mccains friend and advisor Phil Gramm engineered this economic meltdown by removing banking regulations in place since the last Great Depression.
Now, when faced with the threat of having to pay their fair share of the tax burden,
these unpatriotic rich want to tax the poor so that they can keep their hoard.
Don't be fooled all the time. Show them that - this time - they have underestimated our intellegence as voters.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually Tracy, she is simply recognizing the president set by Dick Cheney. As Cheney would say, "being Vice-President is the greatest job in the world, you get to tell the President what to do" (no he never has said that to my knowledge, but I bet he thinks it).
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Did you hear what Palin said in her speech today at Cedar Rapids - she talked about what the "Palin - McCain administration" would achieve - well, pretty soon, we are going to have President Palin tell Vice President McCain what he should do !!

Posted by: Tracy | September 18, 2008 3:37 PM

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

>> treetoflyer wrote: "Aspergirl - You are clearly an ape with a keyboard. Keep typing, sooner or later you'll write "Hamlet"."

And you are clearly a half-jaked, C-average liberal arts loser from some ghetto community college with affectations of literacy.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl - you're very weird.

Posted by: anon | September 18, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I am a stupid jerkwad.

I am a stupid jerkwad.

I am a stupid jerkwad.

I am a stupid jerkwad.

I am a stupid jerkwad.

I am a stupid jerkwad.

Posted by: jason | September 18, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The NERVE of that porch monkey Obama! Wanting to tax farmers who make more than $250K per year!! Do you realize what that will do to my Chippendale Stud Farm??!!? I'll have to unload some of my best hung young studs!!! What Obama doesn't realize is that my best young studs are all black! Talk about black-on-black violence.....

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden says paying more taxes is our "patriotic duty." Obama promises outright to tax businesses and their payrolls at a higher rate (which will impact and cost jobs of the middle and lower income people who are "supposedly" getting tax breaks.) How is this good for the American people trying to meet their bills and keep their jobs?

The heads of Fannie and Freddie work as Obama's economic advisors. In fact one of them even HEADED Obama's search for a VP. With a record like that, can we trust Obama to pick a gov't cabinet?

Obama is blowing through his Hollywood money faster than it's coming in. His campaign is virtually bankrupt (forcing him to spend campaign time hobnobbing with Babs and her pals for $30,000 a plate dinner instead of talking to the rest of us regular American folks.) Obama has stated he plans to spend $31 million dollars campaigning in Florida. Is this a person you would trust with the country's checkbook during a tight economy?

We can't afford an Obama Hollywood tastes presidency.

Posted by: Florida Rez | September 18, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

lies, lies and more lies (Mr. John McCain)!!!! Do not feed into the Lies that McCain has to offer.

Posted by: james | September 18, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

As long as so-called journalists label lies as tried and true, yes, some sheeple with not enough sense to think for themselves are going to believe the lies.

Posted by: Patriot3 | September 18, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain, said that we dont want more goverment in our live. Yet, when this banks and corporations go under, they are always looking for the government to bail them out, we have a fine example right now Lehman Bros, Wash. Mutual, the Fannie Mae Twin and now AIG.
Was'nt the taxpayers that paid for MCCains so call education at the Naval academy, it was o.k. for him to have Big Government pay for his education...It was o.k. for Big Government to interferred in the Terry Cahvio case and everybody lives..
Yes, sir lets tax the rich, this is what MCCain is afraid, that him and his wife are going to be tax through the nose...

Posted by: Levario | September 18, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Tracy

Please stop posting dumb stuff.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Neo-conservatism = Corporate Socialism & warmongering profiteering

Posted by: Dr. Who | September 18, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

Posted by: jason | September 18, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

read this closely... it has to do with money and OIL PROFITEERING AS WELL AS USING THE UNITED STATES MILITARY FOR PERSONAL PROFIT.... Hamid Karzai, the former Unocal consultant, is installed as head of an interim government. Subsequently he is elected President of Afghanistan, and welcomes the first U.S. envoy--Mr. John J. Maresca, Vice President for International Relations of the Unocal Corporation, who had implored Congress three years previously to have the Taliban overthrown. Mr. Maresca was succeeded by Mr. Zalmay Khalilzad--also a former Unocal consultant.


Mr. Khalilzad has since become Ambassador to Iraq.

Mr. Khalilzad has since become Ambassador to the United Nations....

what does that tell the world????

that the United States is a thief and a liar....

did you know that AMERICA?????

why not.


Posted by: telling you some interesting facts.... | September 18, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

treetopflyer,

WHO ARE THE LOSER SOCIALISTS THAT WANT YOUR TAXES?

WHO ARE THESE OBAMA BASE SUPPORTERS WHO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL JUSTICE, REDISTRIBUTION OF INCOME AND WHO CLAIM TO BE "ECONOMICALLY OPPRESSED?"

GO TO DAILYKOS WHERE YOU CAN READ THEIR LAMENTS AND SOCIALIST, ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT RATIONALIZATIONS

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR TIME INSTEAD OF WORKING?

THE SEXUAL BELITTLING OF WOMEN ON DAILYKOS;

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HERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PALIN LIKE SHE'S A HO

 headline: Palin chges equation Palin = spit take (3+ / 0-)
by henry dribble on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 09:22:26 PM PDT

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ALSO, ACCORDING TO DAILYKOS, PALIN'S A MILK MACHINE

 Palin on the campaign trail (0+ / 0-)
The selection of Sarah Palin as vice-presidential running-mate gives a whole new meaning to the term 'Family Values'. Maybe Sarah can be equipped with a little breast-pump-necklace she can use on the campaign trail when her feeding-modules begin to leak. 
Very shortly, we understand, Trig's nutritional requirements can be fulfilled by sister Bristol, while mommie is out dowsing for votes, but Sarah will still need the pump - - at least until she quits lactating.
by SGaston on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 06:39:33 AM PDT

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HERE THE GAY KOSSACK PEDOPHILES JOIN THE PERV-FEST!

 Drill Baby Drill - Palin Daughter's Boyfriend!!! (0+ / 0-)
Let me drill baby, let me drill! LOL
by PunditHater on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 07:16:12 PM PDT

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THE CONSENSUS THERE NOW IS THAT HILLARY'S PRESENCE IN THE PARTY IN THE FUTURE MAY BE TOLERATED IF SHE BECOMES OBAMA'S ANTI-WOMAN TOOL. I.E. IF SHE PLAYS THE ROLE OF ATTACKING OTHER LEADING WOMEN FOR OBAMA, THE "ACORN" PEOPLE WON'T MAKE SURE SHE LOSES HER SENATE SEAT AS THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING THEY PLAN TO DO NEXT NY SENATE ELECTIONS.

 Yeah, nothing like a Sarah Palin out there to (16+ / 0-)
make you think Hillary doesn't suck as much as you thought, and we should probably welcome her back into the fold a little, if only to block the Palins of the world.
by voracious on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 09:35:56 PM PDT

 Sarah Palin Is A Job (0+ / 0-)
for Hillary Clinton.
by IrascibleFachna on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 10:04:45 PM PDT

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YOU SHOULD SEE THE PATHOLOGICAL STUFF THAT GOES ON OVER AT DAILYKOS IN THE "HIDDEN" THREADS THE PUBLIC CAN'T READ! LOTS OF WEIRD SICKO FANATICS OVER THERE!

PONY UP YOUR TAXES TO SUPPORT THESE SOCIALIST GHETTO HATE SPEECH ARTISTS WHO WANT TO TAKE YOUR MONEY & SPIT ON YOU FOR OPPRESSING THEM WHILE THEY TAKE IT. THEY WANT TO KEEP BLOGGING AND WOULD LIKE A STIPEND.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Had McCain not launched this campaing AFTER all the news came out about all the lying he and his VP choice have been doing, he might have had some credibility left to pull it off. As it is, his word is no good. He lost his chance too for using his VP pick as an attack dog. SHE lost all credibility when her pledge for transparancy was withdrawn by her refusal to cooperate with the investigation she said she welcomed.

Obama's gonna make minced meat of them.

Posted by: aBigSAM | September 18, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

For being such a great Party for economics I would like to know how they plan on paying for the trillion dollar war and almost trillion dollar bailout?

To give you an idea of proportions: For 2006, tax receipts of $2.4 trillion were collected.

The department of Transportation costs only $56 Billion, Education $64 Billion

the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, generating nearly $40 billion in mandatory savings over five years.

So I ask, where are we going to get the money?

The GOP has spends money like it is going out of style, dole out pork like they own the slaughter house and yet they label themselves as fiscal conservatives.

All I know is I own a business and when I owe my vendors money, rhetoric and empty promises do not cover the bill they want their money.

If the GOP ran a fortune 500 company like they run our country it would end up like Lehman, Merrill, Morgan, Fannie and Freddie. I would bet most of their leadership are Republicans also.

Jogn McCain is more of the same. Under Clinton and the Democrats we prospered as a people and as a government. The budget deficit was non existent and life was good. Even if he raised taxes.

Remember people want what they pay for and the GOP sells dreams at a discount but never delivers them.

A real business person who had any sense would vote for a Democrat. Unless of course your are an executive for a Fortune 100 company and are so greedy that you do not want to contribute to the country that made it all possible.

GOP are crooks these days. Stupid crooks at that.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 18, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The Party of Borrow and Waste accuses Obama of being a tax and Spend liberal for wanting to reduce the government debt. How rich!

It wont work and as long as McCain continues lying about Obama's tax plan, Obama has an excuse to keep running his Spanish ad on Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"The reality of the two candidates' economic plans then is secondary to the preconceived notions voters bring to the issues. "

I'd say approximately half of the media's job is to question preconceived notions if there is ample evidence that they are misinformed or, more importantly, BEING misinformed.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama. This should be stated clearly in the article instead of just linking to a CNN story.

Let me repeat:

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

McCain will tax the middle class MORE than Obama.

Posted by: HFG | September 18, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Did you hear what Palin said in her speech today at Cedar Rapids - she talked about what the "Palin - McCain administration" would achieve - well, pretty soon, we are going to have President Palin tell Vice President McCain what he should do !!

Posted by: Tracy | September 18, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

All the public needs to do is check the facts, do their homework and vote for their own and country's best interest. It's very clear who is the better candidate as long people do not foolishly fall for smears and lies....This country cannot and will not survive 4 more years with another leader like Bush/Cheney or anyone closely resembling him. We're headed towards becoming a 2nd tier nation if we're not already there.

Posted by: Ryan | September 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

... REGARDING WHY ARE WE IN AFGHANISTAN? ....

FROM THE DANISH PRESS:


The pre-planned attack on Afghanistan, as we have seen, was meant to nullify the contract between the Taliban and the Bridas Corporation, to assure access to the Caspian Basin riches for American oil companies. It was a pure play of international energy policy. It had NOTHING to do, as REPORTED, with apprehending Osama bin Laden--it was a pure play of security policy..a fabrication.[...]On October 7, 2001 the carpet of bombs is unleashed over Afghanistan. Hamid Karzai, the former Unocal consultant, is installed as head of an interim government. Subsequently he is elected President of Afghanistan, and welcomes the first U.S. envoy--Mr. John J. Maresca, Vice President for International Relations of the Unocal Corporation, who had implored Congress three years previously to have the Taliban overthrown. Mr. Maresca was succeeded by Mr. Zalmay Khalilzad--also a former Unocal consultant. Mr. Khalilzad has since become Ambassador to Iraq. With the Taliban banished and the Bridas contract moot, Presidents Karzai of Afghanistan and Musharraf of Pakistan meet on February 8, 2002, sign an agreement for a new pipeline, and the way forward is open for Unocal once more. [ Mr. Khalilzad has since become Ambassador to the United Nations.] replacing Bolton... search on PNAC JINSA Douglas Feith Perle and see who else is backing bush...

Posted by: oovuah | September 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

All you people have to do is look at facts and not the ads being run. The facts, The Repugnants have had the White House 20 outta the past 28 years, and in each subsequent Republican takeover, the economy has failed worse than when their predecessors were in the White House. Facts, the Congress from 1994 up until 1996 was Republican controlled but they love blaming the Democrats as Tax and Spend. Well, apparently the GOP is borrow what you don't have and spend what you can't afford and leave the Dems to clean up the mess. The Republicans Carnival Cruise Administration is mostly to blame for this mess and all the negative ads in the world won't change it. They have ruined this country's economy and they will pay, I mean they will pay dearly.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | September 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

We need someone to grab the tax football away from McCain and run down the field and score for us. Obama has 300 experts and guess what they know how to play football too! Take that Republican smear machine. Its still McCain/Bush/Schmit/Rove vs Obama/Biden/Us posters!


Posted by: Kevin | September 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

It should be noted that anyone with 250K in adjusted ordinary taxable income must be making a LOT MORE. That would be 250K after mortgage and other deductions, contributions to IRA and/or pension plans AND excluding capital gains and dividend income. Anyone showing $250K or more in adjusted taxable income should be making at least twice that and probably much more.

Posted by: mnjam | September 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever seen McCain and Kim Jong Il together at the same time? No, and there's a reason.

Posted by: OneAndTheSame | September 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

When they do these poll's exactly who are they asking?

I have no fear of my taxes going up under Obama.

I can not be any worse off than I am now under the current REPUBLICAN president.

Posted by: Jason | September 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

It's difficult to believe Obama since he's dissed his followers by flip flopping on so many issues.
And considering our current economic crisis, Obama is likely to change his description of "wealthy" - resulting in including MORE American taxpayers.

Biden: "Paying higher taxes is patriotic."

Love that gaffe! Keep em coming Joe.

Posted by: Carla | September 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse


Depending how far a news person wants to go on this. I think there is a good case to be made he is in the early stages of Alzheimer's. All it would take would be a panel of experts to examine him over the last year in just what is on tape. There must be hundreds of hours of tape of him. I am far from an expert but I certainly see the decline over the last year and it is huge if you go back to 2000. He is undoubtedly a sick man and getting worse quickly. Now in the last few weeks he has developed a bad facial tic where he opens his eyes real wide then tucks his chin into his chest. This is very bad and needs to be looked into. You would think the possibility of a man being elected president who may be losing his mind would be an issue. WTF is going on here?
 Mccain takes 7 medications on a daily basis and one may very well have something to do with Alzheimer's since they have not been very forth coming as to what exactly he takes and what it is for.
At the moment there are over 2000 doctors who signed a petition to get a look at Mccains records. They believe they may very well be something seriously wrong with Mccain.
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Mccain's health records.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvesa49zSIM

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"McCain campaing Staffers have just revealed that McCain is on medication for early-stage Alzheimers."

Anyone who's listened to the man speak this election would suspect that.

I am no Obama-fan-girl, but everyone should just back away from the GOP ticket this year. Vote Bob Barr if you need to.

McCain IS showing a touch of senility (not to mention the range of other health problems), and that means it's more than possible Palin will take the reins at some point.

NO ONE that's listened to her speak can honestly argue she's qualified for the job. NO ONE. It seems that could easily mean a puppet-regime for whoever can get a hold of her.

Again, I would ask people to think this through.

Posted by: anon | September 18, 2008 3:23 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

This argument is a complete lie! the republicans have increased the size of government beyond any belief and expand the national debt TRILLIONS of dollars!

IF any American if stupid enough to fall for this bag of lies go live with Chimpy in South America...he'll let you clear brush for .50 cents a week.

Posted by: RB-Chicago | September 18, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

zazzle: "The Iraq War is not related to our paying respect to the victims of 9/11." Right. It's not related at ALL to 9/11. But McCain said it was and voted to go in. You're a dumb fuuck just like him.

Posted by: Innocent blood on their hands | September 18, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

More utter crap from McCain.

Growth depends on public investment (infrastructure, education, research) and private investment.

We need MORE public investment paid for by taxes -- not foreign debt.

Cutting taxes on the rich accomplishes nothing. It starves the economy of public investment needed for growth. It increases deficits, thus increasing long term interest rates and further depressing private investment.

Republican economic dogma, that cutting taxes on the rich somehow stimulates investment or has anything to do with investment, is utter and harmful nonsense. It is absurd to believe that a decision by GM to build an auto plant is based on the marginal tax rate on GM’s CEO’s salary, rather than potential profitability which in turn depends on the productivity of its workforce (education/health care), the cost of bringing in raw materials and sending out finished product (infrastructure), and the cost of capital (long term interest rates).

This Republican idiocy has let to slow growth, widening inequality, huge deficits in government spending and in trade, a ruinous dependence on foreign money. The recent Wall Street catastrophes are simply symptoms of the ruin brought on this country by idiotic Republican ideas. Wall Street has been reduced to selling off America to service the foreign debt created by the Republicans and is now being liquidated for the same purpose.

It shows what an egomaniacal, unprincipled hypocrite McCain is. He himself was a vigorous critic of failed Republican economics back in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003. Now he is peddling this crap in an effort to become the first utterly senile President.

Posted by: mnjam | September 18, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

>>treetopflyer wrote: "AsperGirl (geez, your nick lends itself to so many variations - but I won't go there): You obviously don't know the difference between "revenue", the money that goes into a small business such as a farm, and "income", the money that's left after expenses laid out for the business such as equipment, inputs, payroll, etc. are deducted. How many small farmers do you know who are making $250,000 a year? If that's so, why do so many keep going under?"

I'm not sure what is more lame, your failure to realize that it doesn't matter whether one's earnings are taxed as "income" or "revenue", so long as one is taxed, or your defining "income" with the definition for "net income".

The fact that you think that $250,000 a year is a lot of money for a business like that, is pathetic. I suppose this puts them in the "super-rich" category for you?

Yes, let's raise the taxes on the farms who bring in over $250K so that they can keep useless dailykos c-average journalism students like you supported in some pointless existence.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama's plan to raise taxes on those with net incomes of over $250K will absolutely RUIN my executive call girl business. My client Elliott tried to help me out by paying in cash, but the Feds caught him on suspicion of tax evasion. What's a madame to do?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who saw Michelle Obama's speech, and didn't see her as the ideal first lady, is simply a flat out racist. She was poised, well-spoken, and highly intelligent. Cindy McCain, on the other hand, was dull as hell and sounded like a soundtrack for selling stuff at the state fair.

Posted by: WhiteMaleWhoAdmiresMichelle | September 18, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Innocent blood on their hands wrote: >>>zazzle -- yes, McCain respected the 3,000 9/11 victims by voting to send 5,000 young men to their deaths for no good reason. McCain is nothing if not honorable.

Typical Obamabot with cognitive dissonance!
The Iraq War is not related to our paying respect to the victims of 9/11.
iow - the Obamas LIED about the reason Michelle didn't attend the ceremony.

She had no trouble campaigning the day before - but couldn't attend the ceremony.


Posted by: zazzle | September 18, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

You know why people think Obama will raise taxes? Because YOU don't tell them otherwise. This is truly terrible journalism.

Posted by: David | September 18, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

In this economic crisis McCain said the foundations of our economy are strong.
Obama immediately attacked him for that statement calling him "out of touch"--which a nasty way of saying he's old.

McCain was right.

The fundementals of our economy are strong, despite this economic downturn The US will bounce back far faster than European countries like the UK.

McCain also responded to this crisis by saying that the problem is that our economy is regulated by outdated laws from the 1930's.

McCain was wrong.

The opposite appears to be true. The regulatory rules of the 1930's were put in place after the 1929 Stock Market Crash and the Great Depression that followed by FDR. Those regulatory rules have allowed our country to prosper without having to be subjected to the high risk financing of the period before the Depression.
For example, one law that FDR brought in with his reforms was to allow banks to only operate in one state. In the Great Depression, banks collapsed because they were inter-connected. When one went broke they all fell like dominos. This law, which stood for decades, prevented centralized banking and kept that from happening again.
That law was repealed, among others, on someone's watch and that is one of the reasons why we are experiencing such economic dificulties.
The US government's strategy of ending the current economic crisis by allowing large banks or financial institutions to take over other financial institutions seem to be compounding the problem. It is the very opposite of how FDR solved the crisis of the Depression.
All it takes is for one institution to face a run or any kind of financial difficulty and the whole country is in trouble.
As if that's not bad enough, they are alllowing foreign banks to take over American financial institutions. If Barclays bank in the UK fails, then we will feel that domino effect in the US.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | September 18, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

It's true you can't teach an old old I mean an old dog new tricks.

This is all you talibushies can do is say taxes.

Keep talking McCrusty OLD MAN...Everytime you open your old crusty dusty pie hole you create THOUSANDS of vote for Obama!!

A vote for a depends wearing old man is a vote backwards....

A vote for young man is a vote for peace!!

Obama 08!!

Posted by: 1-20-09 | September 18, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

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can you say "false flag attack"


can you say, "another Pearl Harbor" PNAC

can you say, "Riechstag FIRE"

can you say, "I'm a republican and I'm playing my fellow country men to get rich......and I"m too fxxxing stooooooopid to be trusted with any decision because all I think about is my dxxx!!!! or someone else's dxxx"

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Posted by: 9/11 | September 18, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

What the Doctors Saw, McCain’s Women
By Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair

McCain’s charges of sexism against Obama must ring mighty hollow to those who know him best, and we dare say his sec¬ond wife Cindy would have an acerbic comment or two of her own if freed from all constraints.

The social culture of the Naval Academy at Annapolis shaped McCain. His own recollections of his less than stellar career there focus mainly on his drunken escapades and relentless sexual predations. He met his first wife, Carol, in Annapolis while he was hanging out with the group self-styled “the bad bunch.” She left her first husband for him, bringing her two children with her, soon becom¬ing pregnant with Sidney.

On accounts of this period, McCain grew restive, had some affairs and be¬came a fixture on the party circuit. At the end of 1966, he volunteered for ac¬tive service as a bomber pilot in Vietnam. He was shot down ten months later, and spent the next five and half years as a prisoner of war.
Meanwhile Carol, a former fashion model, was bringing up their three chil¬dren. During Christmas 1969, while visit¬ing her parents’ house, Carol took her car to deliver presents, slid off the icy road, hit a tree, and was hurled through the windshield. Very badly hurt, she lay in the snow for several hours before being discovered.

The accident crushed her hip and mangled her legs so badly that surgeons had to remove large sections of her leg bones, shortening her by 5 inches and leaving her with a limp and in more or less permanent pain. She refused to send word to McCain, saying “he’s got enough problems.” Ross Perot stepped in to pay her medical bills.

McCain came home in 1973 and, ac¬cording to friends, was “appalled” at his wife’s changed appearance. It wasn’t long before he sought comfort with others. His friend Robert Timberg says, “John start¬ed carousing and running around with women.” Through Perot, he met Ronald Reagan when the latter was governor of California, and both Ron and Nancy be¬came particularly fond of Carol and put her on their payroll.

In 1979 McCain, in his early 40s, met the 25-year-old Cindy Hensley, an heir¬ess to her father’s beer distribution em¬pire in Phoenix. It was at a cocktail party in Honolulu. Cindy recalls, “He kind of chased me around the hors d’oeuvres table. I was trying to get something to eat, and I thought, ‘This guy’s kind of weird.’ I was kind of trying to get away from him.”

McCain pursued Hensley, inviting her to Washington, D.C. He embarked on an affair with Cindy and suddenly told a stunned Carol that he was leav¬ing her. McCain began living with Cindy in January of 1980. He divorced Carol in April of that year and married Cindy a month later in Frank Lloyd Wright’s Biltmore Hotel in Scottsdale.

Friends of Carol were disgusted by McCain’s conduct in dumping the wife who had kept the home fires burning through his time as a POW. The Reagans never forgave him and stood firmly by Carol. Nancy Reagan barely consented to endorse McCain this year. McCain re¬calls, “My divorce from Carol, whom the Reagans loved, caused a change in our re¬lationship. Nancy was particularly upset with me and treated me on the few occa¬sions we encountered each other after I came to Congress with a cool correctness that made her displeasure clear.”

In a story in the London Daily Mail, Sharon Churcher wrote on June 8 of this year:
“Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics. ‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory. After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’”
Also quoted by Churcher is Ted Sampley, a Special Forces veteran: “I’ve been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There’s something wrong with this guy. Let me tell you what it is – de¬ceit. When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better. This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.”

Cindy urged a return to Phoenix in part because many in John’s circle in Washington, D.C., gave them the cold shoulder. Not only did Cindy pony up for Carol’s medical care, but she staked McCain’s first congressional race in Arizona in 1982 because the Reagans leaned on the Republican National Committee to turn off the funding tap.

From now on, relations between John and Cindy McCain became remote: he mostly in Washington and she in Phoenix, living across the street from her parents. It was at this point she developed the ini¬tial business relationship with Charles Keating, the financier and anti-porn crusader, whose fraudulent operations with Lincoln Savings and Loan nearly de¬railed McCain’s career after exposure of Keating’s lavish patronage of McCain as one of his protectors in Congress.

In 1986, Cindy and her father James invested $400,000 in a shopping cen¬ter being developed by Keating. An in¬defatigable traveler, given to impulsive excursions around the world in his pri¬vate jet, Keating took along Cindy and the children and, occasionally, John. Amid these voyages, Cindy developed with Keating the idea of financing the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) to supply aid to disaster-struck areas. Keating, an ardent Catholic, also introduced Cindy to Mother Teresa. This relationship led to Cindy’s adoption of a baby born in Bangladesh. The adoption came as a complete surprise to McCain.

These trips and the relationship with Keating attracted the scrutiny of inves¬tigators probing McCain for ethical mis¬conduct. Beleaguered by accusations that he had been shielding a top-rung corpo¬rate criminal, McCain appears to have blamed his wife for the political millstone Keating had become.

According to two emergency room physicians in Phoenix, interviewed by CounterPunch, and who tell us they don’t want their names used, it was at this time that Cindy McCain sought medical atten¬tion in the Phoenix area for injuries con¬sistent with physical violence: bruises, contusions and a black eye . There were at least two more visits for medical atten¬tion in the Phoenix area by Cindy, with similar injuries, between 1988 and 1993.

Perhaps not coincidentally, this was the period during which Cindy developed an addiction to opiate painkillers, includ¬ing Percocet and Vicodin. She was taking 20 pills a day, with a physician at AVMT writing illegal prescriptions. When one of the employees of AVMT discovered the illegal prescriptions and told the execu¬tive director, he was fired. He promptly alerted the Drug Enforcement Agency, which opened up an investigation. Cindy was rushed into a drug treatment center and went into a pretrial diversion pro¬gram, thus escaping prosecution. She paid for the DEA’s investigation. She claimed she became addicted to painkill¬ers because of back pain and the stress associated with Keating’s prosecution and conviction. (Keating died in prison.) Cindy’s addiction came as a shock to McCain. Her parents, who apparently had closer contact with her, did notice and attempted some interventions.

A somewhat eerie insight into McCain’s psyche can be found in his version of an ape joke that was popular in the mid-1980s. The usual version ran along the following lines. A flight atten¬dant is the sole survivor of a crash in the African forest. She meets an ape, who makes her his mistress. Eventually, she gets home and confides her experience to a friend, who exclaims, “That’s terrible.” “It is,” the flight attendant wails sadly. “He never calls, he never writes.”

McCain’s very violent version of this joke was reported in the Tucson Citizen, on October 27, 1986: “McCain: Did you hear the one about the woman who is at¬tacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains conscious¬ness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to fee¬bly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’”

Relations between the couple became publicly acrid. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife Cindy, as well as cam¬paign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy play¬fully twirled McCain’s hair and said, “You’re getting a little thin up there.” As Cliff Schecter tells it in his 2008 book The Real McCain, “McCain’s face red¬dened, and he responded, ‘At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c**t.’ McCain’s excuse to three Arizona reporters who witnessed the scene (and who never mentioned the outburst at the time) was that it had been a long day.

In his book, Schecter also writes that an AP reporter “recounted to me seeing John McCain wander off into the Red Light District of Hanoi in 1996, when he was there to normalize relations with the Vietnamese,” and that “a few report¬ers told me that the McCains don’t really live together anymore, and that until the presidential campaign Cindy McCain was spending much of her time in San Diego with their daughter Bridgette, because her husband was just not Johnny-on-the-spot anymore.”

Cindy found San Diego agreeable, and John was almost always far, far away. In 2007, she was asked by San Diego Magazine, “When the election’s over, do you think you might consider a western White House in Coronado?” “Absolutely. I love Coronado. Listen, to me there’s nothing better than waking up and seeing the sun come up over the water on the bay there and watching the Navy SEALs run up and down the beach. That’s a great way to live.” “How many days a month do you see your husband now?” “Not many. Two or three, maybe.” CounterPunch has noticed that in recent weeks, when political circumstance brought briefly them together, Cindy had her arm in a sling and featured a bandaged wrist. The McCain campaign said it was repetitive handshaking disorder. Maybe. On the other hand, McCain publicly joked this summer about how “I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago.” (This was in Nevada, in an interview with the Las Vegas Sun.)

The year has been trying for Cindy. On February 21, the New York Times de¬scribed at great length how, during his first White House run in 2000, McCain had developed a close relationship with a young blonde lobbyist Vicki Iseman. The couple had taken frequent flights together on corporate jets as she tried to convince him to favor the telecom com¬panies she was lobbying for. His staffers were so vexed at the indiscreet associa¬tion that they ordered her blocked from McCain’s office. During the tense press conference after the Times story, Cindy’s frozen face was widely noted. Her inner thoughts may perhaps have been directed toward the yoga instructor in San Diego, reckoned by some in the yoga community in that city to be a source of consolation to the Hensley beer heiress. CP

Posted by: flast | September 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

And Jesus threw out the moneychangers!

Yee-hah!!! I'm John McCain and i gauran-tee you can't find an issue that i won't flip flop on! You let me know, energy policy, deregulation, tax cuts for the rich, yee-hah! I ain't sene one yet i couldn't sell one more little piece of this old soul to do the back wash back door ditty on!
Yee-hah!
Massive government?!?!
Let's see, shall we, we have the largest government take over ever of faltering capitalist bastions of 'free economic trickle down thinking' and our government (controlled by the 'small gov't' Bush Republican machine) is spending money in ways that the most liberal Democrat never would have dreamed of...let's see, Obama wants to take money to pay for Health Insurance, How many Billion? Well, that sounds like a dumb idea, lets take ten times that amount and throw it at Wall Street CEO's and the Iraqi lackeys who can't wait to horde it!!!
yeehaaaaaaaaaah!

...I'm John McCain and i approved this message.

Hows this for oversight.No more fiscally reckless Republicans in power...wait, i think i just heard the deficit grow another TRILLION!

Posted by: mynamesyow | September 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris - I am sorry you don't know a little more about economics. Because this article should be titled - Republicans Still Playing Shell Game - Why do we Keep Falling for It?

The simple answer Chris is most people don't understand economics. They don't know that the real problem isn't the meltdown but the fact that the feds have to borrow huge sums of money from foreigners to get the ship righted.

You see Chris the foreigners loan the money on the expectation that they will make a profit. If they don't make a profit they might yank their money. If they yank their money the whole thing blows up again. It like having you house built on the proverbial deck of cards.

But even more dangerous is that yanking their money from the bailout might start a general yankout - the proverbial run on the dollar which will make raising taxes look like a day in the park.

You should know some of this stuff Chris but I know you don't that's why I try to help out.

Posted by: Jack | September 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain is flat out wrong on Obama's tax proposals. McCain is either lying about it or is mentally incompetent.

The incompetency argument gained strength today with two major McCain mistakes:

-- he failed to understand that Spain is not an anti-American nation in Latin America when he said in an interview that he would not meet with the Spanish Prime Minister.

-- he claimed that if he were president he would fire the chairman of the SEC, when in fact the president does not have that power.

These two major gaffes point to McCain deteriorating mental health. He is not in complete control of his faculties and should be asked to submit to a thorough battery of tests to establish whether or not he is in the early stages of dementia.

Posted by: dee | September 18, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl - You are clearly an ape with a keyboard. Keep typing, sooner or later you'll write "Hamlet".

Posted by: treetoflyer | September 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Surprise, surprise, Palin was for earmarks before she was against them.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/17/1413605.aspx

Posted by: Spectator2 | September 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Aspergirl.

You're obviously a very confused person, er, operative.

I went to college and had an A average studying a scientific discipline. Then I went to grad school on fellowship. I never went on spring break. I worked in a lab every summer. I always went to class. I will be taxed at a higher rate under an Obama plan based on a very high income relative to the national median (250+), and I AM AN OBAMA SUPPORTER.

In terms of facts, the Obama plan will actually reduce capital gains taxes for small businesses. That will be a huge boon to the small biz community. Further, the farmer or plumber you mention doesn't pay tax on revenue, but on net profit. Therefore the farmer or plumber has to earn a profit of more than 250k in order to see the tax increase. Given typical business margins this suggests a business with annual revenue of about $1M or more.

That's not a very small business.

And if the plumber is making a profit of $250k per year, he or she is doing EXTREMELY well compared to the national median.

So no more phony attempts to suggest anything other than the fact that only the WEALTHIEST people would see increased taxes under the Obama plan.

To anyone unsure - do you make $250k per year? If not, no tax increases under an Obama administration.

Posted by: Mike | September 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

are quite a few CRAWFORD SALAAMI SELLORS in the audience today....

trying to distract you from knowing about the fac that there

were and ARE HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH

.


.

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR


SURPLUS, during the WILLIAM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


"tax and spend democrats" is a lie, a myth a scam line....


take their clothes off and put them under public scrutiny....how's that DJIA doing


drug money laundering sinking your country???


takeovers by foreign nationals as your pimped out leader sell you and your country down the tubes?????

don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"

I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away


and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud, and misleading the public

for monetary gain....


it's all about controlling regulation and your tax money....

the current economic crisis?????


_T_H_E_Y_ DID AWAY WITH ALL OVERSIGHT and most regulation...


there isn't even a working ETHICS COMMISION in congress right now

like that's a fxxxing surprise right????

George W. GIVES BLOW JOBS in the whitehouse and


you don't hear about it, do you....


WTF

.


.

Posted by: obviously there | September 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

to zazzle - Because she hates America? Come ON, who are you? Give me a break with this ignorance. I also was not there on September 11th - were you? Does that mean I love American any less? Get a life.

Posted by: brightstarr82 | September 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

zazzle - You're unbelievable. You're sneering at Michelle because she looks after her children? Because she doesn't sacrifice them on the altar of your opinion? Take a hike, mister, take a hike!

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden: "Paying higher taxes is patriotic."
sheeeesh!

Obama's instructions to Obamabots on persuading undecideds and Repubs:
"Get angry! get in their face!"

Obama inciting more Obamabot thugs!
Lock your doors.

Dems for McCain/Palin!

Posted by: Carla | September 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

zazzle -- yes, McCain respected the 3,000 9/11 victims by voting to send 5,000 young men to their deaths for no good reason. McCain is nothing if not honorable.

Posted by: Innocent blood on their hands | September 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"McCain campaing Staffers have just revealed that McCain is on medication for early-stage Alzheimers."

Anyone who's listened to the man speak this election would suspect that.

I am no Obama-fan-girl, but everyone should just back away from the GOP ticket this year. Vote Bob Barr if you need to.

McCain IS showing a touch of senility (not to mention the range of other health problems), and that means it's more than possible Palin will take the reins at some point.

NO ONE that's listened to her speak can honestly argue she's qualified for the job. NO ONE. It seems that could easily mean a puppet-regime for whoever can get a hold of her.

Again, I would ask people to think this through.

Posted by: anon | September 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a "special" prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam.

McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the "red button," claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide.

Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation.

At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed "to put a man's mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened."

Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in "harsh psychological battles" with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress.

In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as "insane McCain," is well known for having a "volcanic" temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults.

Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain's in your face temperament up close. "His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson said. "Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause."

The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with "increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer."

The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.

McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body.

These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

McCain's POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a "royal family" and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in "solitary confinement."

In February, Reuters news reported that McCain's former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. "In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize," said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military.

Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam.

No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain's first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system.

Within days of McCain's shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their "mind and behavior modification" drugs on such an important prisoner.

McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain.

U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with "mind control" techniques and behavior modification drugs

Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that "a sinister battle for men's minds" was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained "have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them."

During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of "chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes." The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation.

Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain's unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½ prisoner of the communists.

The American public was first exposed to Soviet "brain perversion techniques" during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare.

By the end of the Korean War, "70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted."

Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States.

Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam's original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations.

Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could "put a man's mind into a fog."

Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows "free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media."

Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.

In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets."

Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.

In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.

More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."

During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war.

News pundants have elevated McCain to "the most popular national political figure in the country" by repeatedly describing him as a "war hero" based on his refusal accept a communist offer of "early release" from captivity.

What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp's senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, "it would be the longest held prisoner" Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer.

It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

Is McCain taking any kind of pain or "nerve" medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions?

McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?

Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?

Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp?

McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return?

Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam?

Does McCain's former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Can my family afford this?

Are you CRAZY..this is the BS that pisses me off about the REPUBLICAN PARTY. Have I been able to afford what has taken place over the last 8 miserable years?

Bastards can't even get THEIR OWN campaign theme?

CHANGE IS COMING-HUH YOU'RE RIGHT AND THEIR NAMES ARE OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!!!

IT IS REALLY IS VOTE OR DIE TIME PEOPLE!!!

Posted by: Politikal Princess | September 18, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you call McCain on this garbage, Chris? This line of attack has already been exposed as a lie by non partisan factcheck.org.

You really ought to grow a set of balls, dude.

Posted by: The Fix is a Pussy | September 18, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

>> bondjedi wrote: "AsperGirl, you yourself take the bus every day and have acknowledged the difficult of making it as a member of the working poor. Why are you so eager to suffer so that millionaires can have it easier?"

I never said those things. That's only how your ghetto brain mapped my remarks about public transportation and my being unemployed. I'm unemployed by choice, not necessity, and work when I want to. Your ghetto brain mapped that onto being working poor because that's the world you know.

>>"My guess is that you have fallen for the myth propagated by the GOP - don't question tax breaks that subsidize the super-rich, because there is a 1 in 197,654,331 chance that you may be rich someday."

$250K per year isn't "super-rich".

I don't know why I broke my rule to not respond to you, bondjedi. You seem coherent but peculiarly retarded socially. Are you blogging from some occupational therapy room of a mental ward where you've been institutionalized for years.

Are you Rev. Wright blogging from the basement office of Trinity Church?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

John and Cindy McCain paid their respects to 9/11 victims last week, but Michelle was absent from the Sept. 11 ceremony supposedly because it was the Obama kids' FIRST WEEK of school - (private, tuition $15K).
But according to the Toledo Blade, Michelle spoke and campaigned for Obama at a religious conference in Ohio on Sept. 10.....

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080911/NEWS09/809110405

Why didn't Obama want Michelle standing beside him AND the McCains during the 9/11 ceremony?

Hmm....

Posted by: zazzle | September 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl (geez, your nick lends itself to so many variations - but I won't go there): You obviously don't know the difference between "revenue", the money that goes into a small business such as a farm, and "income", the money that's left after expenses laid out for the business such as equipment, inputs, payroll, etc. are deducted. How many small farmers do you know who are making $250,000 a year? If that's so, why do so many keep going under?

I can see why you sneer at people who've gotten an education. Perhaps if you'd taken advantage of the free pre-college education all citizens are entitled to, and applied yourself, you could have joined the ranks of the majority of college students who are relying on a mix of scholarship, financial assistance and loans to pay their tuition and expenses. Like you, they're average Americans. Unlike you, they apply themselves and don't make whiny excuses.

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain's back-door taxes. McCain knows about back door. Just ask Sarah.

Posted by: DoggieStyle | September 18, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

This has been a fixation of the Republican Party since it morphed from the Whig Party in the early 1800's. From Republican mayor to presidential candidate, this has been a central platform in every campaign. Of the top three themes always espoused by Republican wannabe politicians, it's that the Democrats are going to raise your taxes.

Unfortunately, there is a segment of the American population that this dogmatic propagada always sticks to. And the Republicans know it. Their fear loathing diatribes play right the the hands, frankly, of the low information, ignorant, Republican masses. And regardless of how poor, careless and ignorant you are in this country, your right to vote, which equals power, is equal to the wealthiest, best educated citizens. Unfortunately, many Americans do not have the common sense to realize what it really is, a ploy. But times are a changing. In the current fiscal mess that we are waking up to everyday, your taxes will, with out a shadow of a doubt, be going up. That's assuming that there is anyone left in this country that has the balls to truly deal with fiscal responsibility. Yes, I love to hear my Republican friends rant about their taxes going up under a Democratic administration. There hubris not withstanding, I always allow them time to inform me which machine or tree money will be falling so as to rectify both ongoing debt and deficits. It's amazing how loud silence is.

Posted by: Hootathought | September 18, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

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>>
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>> Palin and her professed beliefs and proven record could lead to for
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>> the separation
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>> lack of real preparation to become the second-most-powerful person on
>> the planet.
>>
>> We want to clarify that we are not against Sarah Palin a a woman, a
>> mother, or, for that matter, a parent of a pregnant teenager, but
>> solely as a rash, incompetent, and all together
>> devastating choice for Vice President. Ms. Palin's political views
>> are in every way a slap in
>> the face to the accomplishments that our mothers and grandmothers
>> and great-grandmothers so fiercely fought for, and that we've so
>> demonstrably benefited from.
>> First and foremost, Ms. Palin does not represent us. She does not
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>>
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Posted by: lndlouois | September 18, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

THis btw, is a perfect example of the MSM failing to do its job.

Mr. Fix, you should have pointed out the truth instead of perpetuating the mis-information by saying nothing.

The media has reported that Obama lowers taxes for 95% of all Americans, and McCain'sbenifits corporations and the top 1% of our society...

YET YOU DON'T DISCUSS THESE FACTS IN AN ARTICLE PURPORTING TO DISCUSS THE FACTS OF THE TAX ARGUMENT IN POLITICS?

Dude turn off the sports when you write, K?

Posted by: Why don't you tell the fact Mr. Fix? | September 18, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

were HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS UNDER WILLIAM CLINTON....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"

I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away


and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud, and misleading the public

for monetary gain....


it's all about controlling regulation and your tax money....

the current economic crisis?????


_T_H_E_Y_ DID AWAY WITH ALL OVERSIGHT and most regulation...


there isn't even a working ETHICS COMMISION in congress right now

like that's a fxxxing surprise right????

George W. GIVES BLOW JOBS in the whitehouse and


you don't hear about it, do you....


WTF

.


.

Posted by: obviously THERE | September 18, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

were HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS UNDER WILLIAM CLINTON....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"

I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away


and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud, and misleading the public

for monetary gain....


it's all about controlling regulation and your tax money....

the current economic crisis?????


_T_H_E_Y_ DID AWAY WITH ALL OVERSIGHT and most regulation...


there isn't even a working ETHICS COMMISION in congress right now

like that's a fxxxing surprise right????

George W. GIVES BLOW JOBS in the whitehouse and


you don't hear about it, do you....


WTF

.


.

Posted by: obviously there | September 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I've voted Republican since 1980. State, local, and national. But there is no way I can support someone stupid enough to use, and then get caught, breaking the law with an easily hacked Yahoo email account:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/17/AR2008091703304.html?hpid=topnews

The VP, who can become the P in a heartbeat, should not be the primary security threat our nation faces.

Posted by: Reagan4Life | September 18, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain an idiot? You would think he would know this fact before opening his mouth:

"[W]hile the president appoints and the Senate confirms the SEC chair, a commissioner of an independent regulatory commissions cannot be removed by the president."

Posted by: Scott F. | September 18, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I found this little slice of a re buttel blog in this blog posted by someone labeled anyomous and it took me ten seconds to reference his lie. Here is part of his reply;

":: INHERITANCE TAX ::

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes."

After going to the sights he references, here is what was said in the analysis;

"Both major-party presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, agree on two things: that the estate tax should not revert back to its pre-2001 state, and that it should not be fully repealed. (A permanent repeal would cost $522 billion in lost tax revenue over the next decade, according to the Treasury Department's evaluation of President Bush's 2009 budget proposals.) The candidates also both support indexing the estate tax to accommodate inflation."

Amazing how the GOP has turned its Republican Brand into dog food by not being able to admit "Stupid is, as stupid does," which applies to the GOP. Hence lye's the problem that American see's in Bush and in McCain, an inability to be honest and a faults slogan like "Straight Talk Express,"

Believe me when I say this, that when you lie on these blogs it proves to all Americans the stupidity of the GOP. That's why I said, "Thanks, but no thanks."

Posted by: The Lying GOP trolls | September 18, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I have one big question for my Republican "cut the taxes" friends. At what point in American history do they think that we should get serious and pay down the national debt?

All they want to do is cut taxes -- during times of plenty and times of need. I think that they have just one drumbeat which translates into "borrow and spend." Obviously the super wealthy in this country must not owe any more than a middleclass person. Afterall, fair is fair. In truth, the superwealthy have their schemes. While a middle class family is trying to make it on $50,000 net each year, apparently the superwealthy are struggling just to get by on a net of $250,000 each year, regardless of how progressive the tax rates are. We should have never touched the 70% bracket, but should have reindexed the tax code each year to reflect the annual inflation rate.

I am so tired to hearing the upper 1% complaining about their tax burden. Try living on minimum wage for a change. The wealthy Republicans in Congress have a very difficult time increasing the minimum wage. Again, let them live on the minimum wage for a change.

On these bailouts: if these companies were companies with shareholders, the persons with savings should be the first saved. The shareholders should be the last. If the stocks go to zero, the shareholders are owed nothing. Being a shareholder is a gamble anyway. I know that the shares that I have on Wall Street are at risk. They have always been at risk. This has been the nature of Wall Street. If there is even one shareholder in one of these failed firms that gets his money out before those who have pensions and so forth tied up in these banks, then shame on the government bailout system.

Posted by: Earl C | September 18, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I can see March 2009: "My fellow Americans, I had no idea how bad our crisis really was. The Republicans kept it from us. We have no choice but . .-INFO

And if he did end up saying that, the fact that it might be the truth would be of no consequence to you. All the devastation our country has been through has been under the Republicans' watch. Own up to your own parties mistakes and misinformation first, then maybe someone will listen to you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Gee God I didnt mean to launch the nukes-pms ya know

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain's dancing, and not very well.

Here's a few facts he can't escape:

1.) 95 percent of Americans, everyone making less than $250,000 a year, will get a tax cut under Barack Obama's plan.

2.) John McCain will tax our health care benefits, and his health plan calls for the deregulation of our health care industry. We all see how well John McCain's support of lifting regulations on the financial markets have worked out.

3.) John McCain will offer tax cuts to most wealthy among us.

4.) John McCain will offer NO tax cut to the middle class.

5.) Under GOP control, and with John McCain's support, we have gone from a surplus to trillions in debt.

6.) Because of the recklessness of the GOP and John McCain, every child born in this country is over $10,0000 in debt the day they are born.

7.) John McCain's newest ad is just the continuation of the most dishonorable presidential campaign ever run.

John McCain: bad for you, even worse for your family.

Posted by: Phxflyer | September 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama will cut taxes for any person or business with net income under $250,000, or for a single tax payer, $200,000.

Do you or your business NET/TAKE HOME AFTER DEDUCTIONS $250,000 in income? How about singles earning $200,000?

No? Not you?

THEN YOU GET A TAX CUT FROM OBAMA'S ADMINISTRATION!

McCain, of course IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE! McCain = TAX INCREASES ON INDIVIDUALS AND TAX GIVAWAYS TO THE TOP 1% OF THE RICH.

Why do low wage earners vote republican? I'll never understand how they can vote against their own financial interests.

OH YEAH - they buy the lie!

OK I get it now.

VOTE OBAMA FOR LOWER TAXES!

Posted by: REALTY | September 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

to AsperGirl who posted 9/18 2:27pm regarding the Obama & McCain tax comparisons.
all weblinks you provided were bogus. If you make those claims then use "real" sources.
Go to factcheck.org to get the real facts.
Obama will not raise taxes for anyone making less than $250,000.00.
Get your facts straight instead of throwing the kitchen sink in.

Posted by: politicaljunkie | September 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

were HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS UNDER WILLIAM CLINTON....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


don't be fooled again.


.


as far as "patriotism and taxes"


I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"


the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....


and the same thing with WELFARE


they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare

while they scream about social programs....


as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....

bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp


.


help the rich to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune by taking theirs away

and refreshing the GENERAL FUND account....sue them for fraud.

.

Posted by: obviously there | September 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Those cotton picken tax-and-spend Librul Dimocrats! We have heard this tune before, and it has gotten old. Besides, the flip side is borrow-and-spend, deregulatin' Conservative Repukes. Both parties seem to love enormous government. One is a little more giving to the fundamentals of our economy (line workers) than the other. The other is more giving to the military/industrial complex. Neither party considers cuts in government spending. The War Department gets blank cheques at least twice a year. Not only does it get its regular appropriation, it gets supplementals to Support Our Troops in wars that can only persist and never resolve. It is very easy for McCain to parrot the "Obama will raise YOUR taxes." line. I imagine McCain supporters do not understand the enormous debt to Red China Bush's government ran up, which requires regular interest payments to sustain. And those interest payments are a form of taxation. How many Executive Branch agencies ceased to exist under Bush? How many sucked down large budgets and failed miserably to perform?

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | September 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN'S BACKDOOR WAY OF TAXING THE MIDDLE CLASS.

McCain's health care plan will REMOVE the tax exemption on exployees health care plans and induce businesses to do away with employer-based health coverage.

What this means is that whatever cost your employer pays (beyond the annual contributions you and I pay) will be added to your taxable income when you file your taxes with the IRS.

How does this work?

Let's say you make an income of $50,000 a year. If your employer contributes $8,000 to your medical plan, you will have to report a gross adjusted income of $58,000.

Then, subtract the $5,000 tax credit McCain is proposing ($5k is for the family plan, which I have).

Your annual federal taxes will be based on a taxable income of ..... $53,000.

Using the 2007 tax tables:

Those married filing jointly, whose taxable income is $50,000, are liable for $6,721 in federal taxes.

Those married filing jointly, whose taxable income is $53,000, are liable for $7,171 in federal taxes.

The difference in federal taxes that comes out of our pocket: $450.

And the more you earn, the higher the tax you're gunna pay. So much for his supposed tax cuts for the middle class, which fall well short of what Obama is proposing.

Posted by: McCain is secretly proposing a tax | September 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

One thing is abundantly clear - AsperGirl is a hooker.

Posted by: truth | September 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

God will be telling Sara how to take care of all of ua in the U.S.A. But what will god be telling Sara to do nuclear codes

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

were HUGE DEFICITS


under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS UNDER WILLIAM CLINTON....


so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


don't be fooled again.


.

as far as "patriotism and taxes"


I think Biden was referrin g to the "no shows,"

the chicken hawks who want "war profits" but want your children to wear the uniforms....

and the same thing with WELFARE

they want your tax dollars to pay for their corporate welfare


while they scream about social programs....

as Neil Bush collects money for NCLB software that his brother swings his way through influence peddling and insider pressure....


bush is a hoori


and asper girl is his pimp

.

Posted by: obviously there | September 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain campaing Staffers have just revealed that McCain is on medication for early-stage Alzheimers.

Posted by: Concerned Republican | September 18, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

As noted here, the McCain 'big lie' strategy is to claim Obama is raising middle-class taxes (taxes for people making less than $250,00) when in fact he is cutting them.

This would work better if it was the only lie the McCain campaign was telling. Then voters would be more likely to give McCain the benefit of the doubt, even over the course of several remaining weeks, and believe the false statement.

The problem, strategically, is that the McCain campaign has chosen a systematic policy of lying that is so outside of normal politics that it's getting a fairly major media and commentary backlash. Obama's campaign is doing its best to alert everyone to this through TV ads, etc.

When there is a narrative that "McCain would rather lose his integrity than lose the election," then it is risky for him to lie about Obama's tax cuts for several weeks, all the way to November 4. It will start to reinforce the bigger perception that McCain has lost his honesty and the voters' trust.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | September 18, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

and there's the guzzling cillizza eager to propel those mccain lies. why do you not state unequivocally how mccain distorts and lies about obama's tax plan.

oh, excuse me, chrissy does provide a cnn link that he dutifully buries.

Posted by: linda | September 18, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"because there is a 1 in 197,654,331 "

totally inaccurate. the change in quartiles for income is very vibrant in this nation. Almost no one stays in the bottom quarter longer than ten years and very few stay in the top that long.

think of the immigrant whos kids go to college. Or even the trust fund baby who blows it all. this is America.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 18, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

were HUGE DEFICITS

under the last three republican administrations....

100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH


and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS UNDER WILLIAM CLINTON....

so what does that make McCain ?????


a mutha fxxxing liar,


like his but buddy George W.,


they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.

don't be fooled again.


.

Posted by: obviously there | September 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Patriotic to pay more taxes... probably the stupidest things said thus far in this campaign

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden on 09/18/08:

“Anyone making over $250,000…” the host began to question, “Is going to pay more,” Biden interjected. “You got it. It’s time to be patriotic, Kate. It’s time to jump in, it’s time to be part of the deal, it’s time to help get America out of the rut.”

WHO'S GETTING THE BENEFIT OF THE SOCIAL PROGRAMS

The people in the media, liberal arts and ivory tower left-wing who are the cultural base for Obama are the same people who didn't study in college, who went on spring break, and who took whole weeks off to get involved with boyfriends and girlfriends while in college.

All the useless, feel-good and partying, cool people in college are the same kinds of people pushing Obama now, and sneering down and "low information" blue collar workers, businessmen and small business people.

Obama netroots on DailyKos who whine that they should tax me because: "how can someone with a C-average liberal arts degre get a job in this economy"?

WHO'S GETTING STUCK WITH THE TAXES

These would be the farmers who spend long days dragging tractors around their small farm, that the useless liberal arts losers in Obama's left-leaning blogs refer to as "rednecks" who are too stupid to vote for "hope". They would like to enjoy the great incomes of the bumper crop years to tide over their bad years, and to pass their farm estates on to their families.

The electricians with six figure small businesses whose butt cracks they laugh at in their condescending way when talking about "low information" "Clinton voters", who need to keep their six-figure businesses and pass down the businesses and property they acquire, to their children because they're not the urban, chattering classes who put each others' kids on their grant-funded projects.

Most of the wealth of the country is built by small businesses of people who WORK or INVENT, NOT those who inherit seats on the New York Stock Exchange.

Most of the people who live off grant funded and entitlement programs are the cream of the crop of an entire class of otherwise useless liberal arts class who, unless they learn to sell insurance or manage a Wal-mart, become socialists by age 30.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

were HUGE DEFICITS

under the last three republican administrations....


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under REAGAN


100's of $BILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE H.W. BUSH


100's of $BILLIONS$ $TRILLIONS$ OF DOLLARS OF DEFICIT


under GEORGE W. BUSH

and a $200,000,000,000.00 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS UNDER WILLIAM CLINTON....

so what does that make McCain ?????

a mutha fxxxing liar,

like his but buddy George W.,

they both suck sausage, and you pay the bill.


don't be fooled again.

.

Posted by: there | September 18, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"BE PATRIOTIC, SUPPORT A USELESS LOSER WHO THINKS YOU GOT WHAT YOU HAVE BY BEING SOME CORRUPT INSIDER INSTEAD OF WORKING."

AsperGirl, you yourself take the bus every day and have acknowledged the difficult of making it as a member of the working poor. Why are you so eager to suffer so that millionaires can have it easier?

My guess is that you have fallen for the myth propagated by the GOP - don't question tax breaks that subsidize the super-rich, because there is a 1 in 197,654,331 chance that you may be rich someday.

Now go buy your PowerBall ticket.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 18, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Did I say earlier the RCP average has Obama ahead by 1.7%? Sorry, it's 2% now. Tiny increase, I know, but always in the same direction.

The Republicans are getting desperate. You can tell because Rove is (once again) trying to give Democrats advice on how to win the election. Anyone ever hear of Greeks bearing gifts?

Obama will win. Once my legs have recovered from being on my feet all day yesterday to help out with Michelle's rally here in Charlottesville (I am overweight, I confess it) it's back out on the street to do my part to get him elected.

To Obama: the rules are simple. Get elected, do a good job and DON'T get your d!ck sucked in the Oval Office. That will ensure your party's primacy for the next generation.

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 18, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The $500 billion in interest we pay on the debt every year could fund national health care 3-times over! No debt and we could resolve our long-term problems with social security, medicare & medicaid, and STILL fund national health care reform!

PAY OFF OUR NATIONAL DEBT, even if it requires raising our taxes to do it!!! The only other choice is to cut military spending by more than half and that's even more politically perilous!

Posted by: starpopper | September 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I remember in 2000 when Bush ran commercials saying that if Gore was elected, we'd be

"Gored at the pump!"

Holy cow! He was right about getting slaughtered at the pump. Gas prices are sky-high. Hmm, but looks like he was wrong about WHO was going to cause high gas prices...

Moral of the story: If McCain's elected, expect deficit, recession, and tax increases.

Posted by: Tori | September 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Why would you trust someone who has been telling at best half truths no formal education and not able to think for themselfs.This is not a wise crack or a tit for tat comment.If you honestly look at the situation now that is what we have in the White House.(Bush skirted through school on dads check book).

Posted by: WAKE UP | September 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

there were 8 years of near veto free legislation

feeding the republican coffers.....


what's the election about?


making sure that the people are misled into not kicking


the parasites out of office, business, and ending influence peddling for those who


have bought their way to the fron to ftheline...

and use the CIA as their special business tool

and propaganda device.

.

Posted by: what's the truth ???? | September 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

.
Senator John McCain is both senile and morally bankrupt !!!!!!!!!!!

The current Republican Administration has charged over 3 Trillion Dollars to the National Debt.

Now McCain wants the Presidential Credit Card......we can't afford McCain, more of the SAME.

,

Posted by: JAMadison4 | September 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Mark in Austin - let me jump in here. Of course any spending on the partr of the government on things like Air travel, military and other wealthy protection and envy goods favor the "rich".

But there are two issues here that are being ignored by everyone of a philosophical nature, and I don;t pretend to have a solid answer.

1. How can a society thrive when only x% (say5) of the population is paying for everything. this distortion was predicted long ago where the Democracy urge would overcome the Republic sentiment. without buy in and participation by all but the most impoverished citizens, our capitalism must fail. the end result of this is to have the King pay for all his subjects care while taking what he needs to do so. Individual choice leaves in favor of standing in line for the government hand out.

2. It is a philosophical question as to how much should I pay for my neighbors care and feeding. and all other sorts fo goodies. It is offensive to the american spirit to admit victimization and welfare are essential. What is fair? an easy question. It is not based on what all the other guys want or desire, it is based on what of my own labor I be allowed to keep for myself.

If you go to grad school or save for a business or quit drinking beer every night to work longer, you deserve your reward.

In practice, taxing the life out of small biz will result in job loss. I know if my corporate tax goes up, that money will have to come from somewhere - most likely firing an enployee.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If it walks a pig and talks like a pig, it's a pig.

Everyone knows in their heart Obama will raise taxes massively -- far more than he'll admit, for political purposes.

I can see March 2009: "My fellow Americans, I had no idea how bad our crisis really was. The Republicans kept it from us. We have no choice but . . ."

Posted by: info | September 18, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Mel Brooks onced played a young senator mccain in the movie History of the World Part 1.
I think his line was " F**K THE POOR ".

It still is.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl
Read my lips....NO NEW TAXES

Gee, who said that? Could it be a Bush?

Speaking of flip-floppers, the core belief of a Republican is de-regulation. Can you tell me where McCain stands on this issue. Today, testerday? Last week?

I thought so.

Posted by: dmr | September 18, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Dellis - Obama has hordes of new spending programs? What on earth do you describe the Bush-McCain 180 billion dollar bailout of the Wall Street buddies as? And, what about the nearly one trillion dollars they have spent on similar programs in under two months? Oh, and what about the hundred billlion dollars or so we are spending on that disaser in Iraq? They haven't even put these on the budget, yet, much less come up with an idea of how they are going to pay for them. The difference between Obama and McCain is that his programs will aide ordinary working men and women and have, even given the most extreme cost estimates, a very small cost overhead - something along the lines of $80 billion over 8 years. Contrast that with Bush-McCain blowing ten times that every month. Under Bush, the amount of national debt he "charged" climbed by more than 5 trilllion dollars. That's new debt. That's on the books debt. The debt for Iraq, not on the books, is estimated to be more than 2 trilllion dollars. The debt to bail out Chinese and Indian investors, our Wall Street vermin, is another trillion dollars....so far, but it's climbing! And, I think you really need to acknowledge this, NO ONE has the slightest or plan of how we are going to pay for any of that. As the inheritor of Bush's legacy, I really think John McCain needs to come before the American voting public and tell us how he is planning on paying for the $8 trollion dollar drunken spree he and the Republican's have been on.

Posted by: Mibrooks27 | September 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Oh sweet god of teleprompter. give me the grace to read you effectively, the wisdom to hide you from the crowds and the power to club my enemies over the head with negativity, all while the press pretends I am CHANGE." FUNNY, that describes pig-Sarah's acceptance speech to the T.

Posted by: YouCanPutLipstickOnAVaginaButIt'sStillAVagina | September 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

All those people who want to continue down the path of destruction of less tax, deregulation and other cherished "family values", cheer your way to McCain.

The current financial crisis has been predicted by a number. Here is another solace - there is a prediction that the world will face a significant event on Dec 20, 2012. That's only one McCain term away.

Posted by: mouli | September 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama is wrong. He says he will give tax breaks to 95% of the country. Only 50% of the country pays income taxes. He is lying right off the bat. Of course, Chris Sleazilla is getting the memo that the media must support Obama or else, much like Mark Halperin's memo for John Kerry in 2004. Obama has tried to scare seniors, hispanics, women and military families with his lies, but the WaPo has become so radically left-wing, it has stopped cover the truth.

Posted by: Karen | September 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The poster who calls him/herself "Barack Obama's Conscience" is typical of the republicans. This article is discussing "an issue" and this person writes about Obama benefitting from affirmative action. How trite. This is all you have and IT DOES NOTHING TO help anyone struggling out there today. Offer some REAL thought or get off the blogs. So ridiculous.

Keep this mind America, the last time a "republican" candidate said he would not raise taxes, "read my lips", HE RAISED TAXES! John McCain promised to "balance the budget" in 4 years, how do you do that by continuing tax cuts that have helped to increased the federal deficit? This man and his running mate HAVE NO CLUE on the domestic economy and how to compete in the global economy. Run away from them!

Posted by: CitizenAJ | September 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden on 09/18/08:

“Anyone making over $250,000…” the host began to question, “Is going to pay more,” Biden interjected. “You got it. It’s time to be patriotic, Kate. It’s time to jump in, it’s time to be part of the deal, it’s time to help get America out of the rut.”

BE PATRIOTIC, SUPPORT A USELESS LOSER WHO THINKS YOU GOT WHAT YOU HAVE BY BEING SOME CORRUPT INSIDER INSTEAD OF WORKING

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

When Bush/Cheney took office, Clinton handed them a very large budget surplus. In the last 7 years, Bush/Cheney have stolen and wasted so much of our hard-earned money - that they have ENSURED tax-increases for the next ten years.

There is no hiding this. These are the "gifts" that keep on giving and Bush had dumped it right in the lap of the next president (who they will blame, no doubt).

The next president inherits:

(1) A record budget deficit;

(2) Two wars on the other side of the globe;

(3) An exhausted and over-extended military;

(4) A RUINED national economy;

(5) A major American port city destroyed (New Orleans is still NOT rebuilt);

(6) An America more socially/culturally divided than Bush/Cheney received it;

(7) An illegal immigration problem that is completely unaddressed;

If you want the SAME, vote for McCain.

However, don't be too surprised if America is SKREWED for some time to come.

Posted by: Donny | September 18, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

As for the non-discretionary expenditures, because social security and FUI are funded by the first dollars earned, they cannot be said to be part of the progressive tax part of the budget. The huge non-discretionary item of interest on the national debt is, of course, paid to the wealthy and constitutes a transfer from the middle class upward.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 18, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

McEchonomics bright solution :
Deduct it from the debts !

Posted by: ratl | September 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that the last time we had a democrat for a president, he took away my guns and gave them to the illigal immigrants that he let out of prison so they could rape my girlfriend and force her to have an abortion.

He forced me into a gay marriage, made me get a job, and then taxed me to death.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 18, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

dmr, I don't care what Obama says now. Frankly, he's flip-flopped so much on core positions, that I have no faith in anything he says that contrasts with previous core positions.

Part of the problem with running as a politician with a thin record is that there is no reality check for the fatuous claims you make. Since the things Obama now says re: taxes are so drastically different than the taxes he was outlining at the beginning of the Summer, I have no real confidence in his new poll-driven pronouncements.

I think that what we are seeing here is not so much that Republicans are "lying" about Obama's tax plans. I think most people who have recall of his past statements are just blowing off his latest posturing and focusing on what we think his real positions are.

You can do that, you know, when a candidate flip flops around a lot in a single year. You can decide for yourself what you think their "real" positions that they will take are, if elected.

And all those factcheck sites are just printing lies this year. That factcheck.org even "debunked" the "rumor" in January that Obama belonged to a church were the pastor gave racist speeches. Of course it issued an "update" in March, after the Rev. Wright videos went viral. But the factcheck sites and the media analysis of Obama's position are fiction more than they are fact.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

What's worse, "tax and spend" or "borrow and spend, spend, spend?"

Or "deregulate and take over at the expense of tax payers?"

Or "cut taxes, but watch as jobs disappear, inflation swells, and mortgages crumble?"

Will these old attack lines work like they have in the past when the economy is swirling down the toilet? When you point a finger at someone, you have four pointing back at yourself. However, Obama shouldn't let these accusations be implicit - he has to drive them home to the American people.

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 18, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so McCain is being straight with us when he says he will not raise our taxes. But how does he plan to pay for all the bailouts, the war in Iraq, the war in Afganistan, the war in Iran, his new reform initiatives and, oh yeah, the interest on the $500 BILLION dollars of debt that his predecessor ran up for us? It's true, tax and spend sounds bad, but spend and spend? If all of the Wall Street firms are crashing and burning because they owe more than they earn, and people are losing their houses because they owe more than they earn, how can the US government owe more than it takes in? Does McCain -- who said during the primaries that he really wasn't interested in economic issues -- have any plan at all for funding the wars that do interest him? Does he realize you can't just print up more money? Perhaps not. Perhaps that's why Carly Fiorina doesn't think the people she supports to run the country are not even qualified to run a company.

Posted by: fmjk | September 18, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Several comments assume that progressive taxation effrects a per se redistribution of wealth. I would like to read JD's view on this.

My own sense is that federal government discretionary expenditures, whether for the military, or for highways, or for farm subsidies, or for air traffic controllers generally favor the top half and sometimes the top tenth of the income scale.

JD?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 18, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Democratic "Tax & Spend" philosophy is much more fiscally conservative than Republican "Charge & Spend" philosophy. We're over $10 TRILLION in debt, how much higher before we realize that we have to pay for all of this. Today's financial crisis should be a warning...our leverage will kill US, and perhaps the GOP, in the long-term.

It was Bush-1 that did the right thing in '90-91 when he & the congress voted to raise taxes, despite his "read my lips, no new taxes" campaign slogan. They both lost in presidential & congressional elections in '92 but it was the right thing to do for the country, despite the politics & rhetoric!

Posted by: starpopper | September 18, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Never mind the Republic party has their own taxation system, high prices for food and energy, this to make their sponsors rich at the expense of the American people.

Posted by: jussayin | September 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Old Cat...we all ready know about George Bush the coke head and alcoholic.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

OK, still nothing in the polls.

how about a tax cut for 96% of the voters. If that doesn't get me over the hump in CO, I am prepared to go to 97.

also free doctors, college, pre-K, and candy.

Vote for me.

Posted by: snObama | September 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse


How is McCain going to actually lower taxes for EVERYONE? How can we afford to do that? Go further into debt to Japan and China? "Reform" (plunder) social security? Think about this. It has to come from somewhere.

No one wants to pay more in taxes. We're either going to have to change our expectations or we're going to have to start paying to maintain it. Or a little of both.

Posted by: anon | September 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Alam Greenspan said it this week: It is dangerous and foolhardy to finance tax cuts for the wealthy by borrowing from the Chinese. That, my friends, is McCain's plan.

This policy would bother a real Republican, one who thought for him or herself instead of buying the Rovian drivel."

Of the three Presidents that Greenspan worked under (Bush, Clinton, Bush), he says that Clinton was the most Republican of them all.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Do you think either of these guys is going to cut taxes?
It is to laugh.

We have a deficit of a gazillion dollars.
Billions are being poured daily into the sinkhole of Iraq.
Thanks Bush father and son.

The way Clinton bought the U.S. back to solvency was to raise taxes. That is what is going to happen...

Unless of course the greedy gluttonous folks at the top still think there is a little more blood they can get from us before a total collapse of our economy and vaulted way of life.

Obama and McCain are blowing smoke up our respective rear ends.

Posted by: Arthur Brightman | September 18, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

^^^ What if Obama's Conscience Spoke at the Same Time He Did? ^^^
^^^ Annotated transcript of Obama's Nomination Acceptance Speech ^^^

>>"Four years ago, I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."

--Four years ago, I laid a big one on you out of my fictionalized life story that I made about my drunken, polygamist, already-married Kenyan father who knocked up my then-17-year-old mother and then abandoned us.

>>"It is that promise that has always set this country apart -- that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one American family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well."

--And where people like me can get ahead on racial preference and affirmative action, so that we advance without ever actually doing anything resembling hard work and sacrifice like you people!

>>"It is why I stand here tonight. Because for 232 years, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women -- students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors -- found the courage to keep it alive."

--And support my undeserved advancement and also pay for my racial preference scholarships and all the gravy train that has come my way over the years! The donations of millions of african american supporters -- students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors -- paid my campaign the $6 million that it cost to move my nominating night event from the Pepsi arena to Invesco field in the Temple of Obama!

>>"We meet at one of those defining moments -- a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more."

--And the Democratic party is nominating a president with no experience or qualifications that might make him a credible executive!! I couldn't get hired to run a factory!! Ha Ha!

>>"Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can't afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay and tuition that is beyond your reach"

--And yet you have sent $400 million to my presidential campaign! That I keep spending on helping the voters get to know me better! As if that's the problem! What suckers!

*************************
In David Mendell's 2007 biography, Obama, it was reported that Obama was a B student whose grades slipped so far below a B at High School that in his final year his grandmother feared he would not get into a university. The chapter ends with him being accepted into Occidental on a full scholarship.

The NYT has published a letter written by Obama in 1990, that discusses his own experiences with affirmative action.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/politics/03affirmative.html?_r=2&em=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin)

Mr. Obama quote: “[I] undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in [my] own academic career.

*************************

This is the kind of "social justice" program that Barack Obama wants to tax you for.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the post by Dave. This poll should have included demographics; what income levels would have tax increases under each candidate. The Republican ideology is based on tax breaks for upper level income and special interest corporations (Enron etc.), assuming that helping the chosen elite will "trickle down" to people who need it most, middle and low income. But where a real benefit can be had is ending the pointless and misguided war in Iraq. Obama will end this war and McCain will keep us there indefinitely. Billions of dollars are going into this war effort. IMAGINE HOW THOSE FUNDS COULD BE PUT TO USE HERE IN AMERICA. It could fund health insurance for everyone, put more police on our streets, deal with drug trafficking at the border, which, thanks to John McCain's incompetence as a Congressman, is at an all time high in his state of Arizona. Some of the money funding this crazy war could be given back to taxpayers, again, helping middle income people. These funds could help to train people for jobs in clean industries such as solar, wind, bio-technology, all which will in turn find cures for diseases, have a positive impact on our environment, and reduce the need for oil imports. The possibilities are endless with the right leadership. Obama listens, he understands. That's why he wil get my vote in November. That's why everyone I know is supporting him.

Posted by: ACT | September 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"The ones who are too stupid to realize that with a C-average liberal arts degree from a no-name school they have to be ready to sell insurance, strap on an apron, or carry lumber from place to place to support themselves."

Yeah...it's the Democrat who graduated at the bottom of his class and the Republican who graduated at the top of his Harvard Law class.

Yeah...

Posted by: DDAWD | September 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121867201724238901.html

The tax rate on dividends would also be 20% for families making more than $250,000, rather than returning to the ordinary income rate. This rate would be 39% lower than the rate President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut and would be lower than all but five of the last 92 years we have been taxing dividends.

Sen. Obama believes that one of the principal problems facing the economy today is the lack of discretionary income for middle-class wage earners. That's why his plan would not raise any taxes on couples making less than $250,000 a year, nor on any single person with income under $200,000 -- not income taxes, capital gains taxes, dividend or payroll taxes.

Posted by: dmr | September 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

If the Democrats were the "Tax and Spend" party of the 70's and 80's...fair enough.

But from Reagan on, the Republicans have become the "Spend and Borrow" party.

The proof is there for anyone to see.

Do Republican administrations reduce spending? Just the opposite! Look at the numbers, they're very easy to see.

Every Republican administration has increased or held the line on spending, led by huge military spending increases. This more than makes up for the modest cuts they make to social programs.

Yes they cut taxes, but...

Look at the deficit numbers since Reagan took office. I think most Republicans would be shocked to see them. Only Clinton ran an annual surplus (this was due to the dot-com boom, let's be fair).

And when did it become absoulutely out of control, breaking all records? That's right, as soon as the Repulicans gained control over Legislative and Executive branches under Bush.

Look at California today. A Republican Governor, a fiscal conservative, refuses to sign a budget because it borrows with no real budget reform. What did his own party come up with? A spend and borrow scheme that he refused to endorse.

If McCain wants to extend Bush's tax cuts, fine. But someone please tell me where he will cut spending...I haven't heard it yet.

And please, don't give me the "we will make Government more efficient" line. I've been hearing that since Carter (on both sides) and nothing ever happens.

Both sides cannot deal with it. If they do, they will be voted out of office because the American voter is in denial and just as guilty. No one wants to face reality.

We were drunk on credit and deficits. Now the hangover begins.

Posted by: john_mcg | September 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

well the GOP just taxed us to the tune of 95 billion by bailing out AIG.

Tell me how THAT isn't a tax on the american people, and that the GOP had nothing to do with it.

the gop has EVERYTHING to do with it. Congress wasn't even involved.

so lie to someone else who's more gullible.


I think your taxes are showing/PROVING you to be liars, (again) GOP.

I'd back off right now, proven failures.

Posted by: pgibson1 | September 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the post by Dave. This poll should have included demographics; what income levels would have tax increases under each candidate. The Republican ideology is based on tax breaks for upper level income and special interest corporations (Enron etc.), assuming that helping the chosen elite will "trickle down" to people who need it most, middle and low income. But where a real benefit can be had is ending the pointless and misguided war in Iraq. Obama will end this war and McCain will keep us there indefinitely. Billions of dollars are going into this war effort. IMAGINE HOW THOSE FUNDS COULD BE PUT TO USE HERE IN AMERICA. It could fund health insurance for everyone, put more police on our streets, deal with drug trafficking at the border, which, thanks to John McCain's incompetence as a Congressman, is at an all time high in his state of Arizona. Some of the money funding this crazy war could be given back to taxpayers, again, helping middle income people. These funds could help to train people for jobs in clean industries such as solar, wind, bio-technology, all which will in turn find cures for diseases, have a positive impact on our environment, and reduce the need for oil imports. The possibilities are endless with the right leadership. Obama listens, he understands. That's why he wil get my vote in November. That's why everyone I know is supporting him.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Alam Greenspan said it this week: It is dangerous and foolhardy to finance tax cuts for the wealthy by borrowing from the Chinese. That, my friends, is McCain's plan.

This policy would bother a real Republican, one who thought for him or herself instead of buying the Rovian drivel.

Posted by: trace1 | September 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Guess who was doing coke while someone else was paying access to an Ivy League school?

You guessed it right, the Pothead Candidate!

Posted by: Old cat | September 18, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Libs prayer:

Oh sweet god of teleprompter. give me the grace to read you effectively, the wisdom to hide you from the crowds and the power to club my enemies over the head with negativity, all while the press pretends I am CHANGE. Madame Pelosi and Madam Reid, I promise to go along with every liberal and democrat scheme to annihilate the economy and punish the successful. I will not stray from my path of leftism, not for any bipartisan efforts.

with the three branches of government in out klepto hands, it is only a short time until the judges are in our clutches too and the Soviets established far and wide in our great land.

Posted by: snObama | September 18, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The argument against Obama is that he is an inexperienced and untested liar, cheat and thief.

The argument for Mccain is that he is an experienced liar, accomplished cheat and master thief.

I'll take the new guy.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Form factcheck.org


QUESTION

Would Obama tax my profits if I sell my home? Would he tax my IRA? Would he tax my water?
I was just sent this and it had 100s of names attached and forwarded over and over – is it real?

ANSWER
No. A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.
Alert readers may already have noted that this chain e-mail does not provide links to any of Obama's actual proposals or cite any sources for the claims it makes. That is because they are made up.This widely distributed message is so full of misinformation that we find it impossible to believe that it is the result of simple ignorance or carelessness on the part of the writer. Almost nothing it says about Obama's tax proposals is true. We conclude that this deception is deliberate.

Wachovia Apologizes

Update, Aug. 27:One version of this e-mail was sent around by a financial professional, Robert Jenkins, a vice president of Wachovia Securities in St. Louis, Mo. Even though Jenkins is an investment adviser and not a tax expert, we thought his endorsement might seem to some readers to give this false e-mail greater credibility. So we attempted to ask Jenkins about the matter. But instead of a reply from him, we received the following message from another Wachovia official, whose identity we confirmed by telephone:

Thank you for contacting Wachovia regarding a recent email regarding "proposed changes in taxes after the 2008 General election." Please know that Wachovia does not endorse any political party, candidate, or initiative, and that our Firm did not endorse or approve the email as it is contrary to our Code of Conduct and Corporate Values.
Members of executive and departmental leadership in Wachovia Corporation and Wachovia Securities have been made aware of the email, and Robert Jenkins has been dealt with appropriately and directly. Every effort has been made to ensure that no additional emails or communications of this nature will be issued by any member of our Firm.
We sincerely apologize for this unfortunate incident.
Cynthia Plackemeier
Assistant Branch Manager
We later contacted William Mannen, a Wachovia vice president for branch administration in St. Louis. He declined to say whether or not Jenkins is still employed by Wachovia.
Our own sources for the following are Obama's own Web site and other statements, interviews with Obama's policy advisers, and a comprehensive analysis of both the McCain and Obama tax plans produced by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, plus additional sources to which we have provided links.Home Sales: The claim that Obama would impose a 28 percent tax on the profit from "all home sales" is false. Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales.
Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.

Tax on Dividends: Another false claim is that Obama proposes to raise the tax rate on dividends to 39.6 percent. Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent. This higher tax also would fall only on couples making $250,000 or more or singles making more than $200,000.

Taxing IRAs and 529s: Contrary to the claim in this e-mail, raising tax rates on capital gains or dividends would not result in higher taxes on any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts or in popular, tax-deferred "college funds" under section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code. The whole point of such tax-deferred plans is that dividends and capital gains are allowed to accumulate and compound tax-free, and neither Obama nor McCain proposes to change that. And as previously mentioned, any capital gains or dividend income from stocks, bonds or mutual funds owned outside of tax-deferred accounts would continue to be taxed at current rates except for couples making over $250,000, or singles making more than $200,000.

Doubled Taxes? The claim that "Under Obama your taxes will more than double!" is also false. The comparative rate tables this e-mail provides for McCain and Obama are entirely wrong, as we explained in an earlier article March 13 about another false e-mail from which these tables are copied. It is supposedly a comparison of tax rates before and after the Bush tax cuts, but it grossly overstates the effect of the Bush cuts. Furthermore, Obama proposes to retain the Bush cuts for every single income level shown in this bogus table.

Estate Tax. The claim that Obama proposes to "restore the inheritance tax" is also false, as are the claims that McCain would impose zero tax and that Bush "repealed" it. McCain and Obama both would retain a reduced version of the estate tax, as it is correctly called, though McCain would reduce it by more.

The tax now falls only on estates valued at more than $2 million (effectively $4 million for couples able to set up the required legal and financial arrangements). It reaches a maximum rate of 45 percent on amounts more than that. It was not repealed, but it is set to expire temporarily in 2010, then return in 2011, when it would apply to estates valued at more than $1 million ($2 million for couples), with the maximum rate rising to 55 percent.

Obama has proposed to apply the tax only to estates valued at more than $3.5 million ($7 million for couples), holding the maximum rate at 45 percent. McCain would apply it to estates worth more than $5 million ($10 million for couples), with a maximum rate of 15 percent.

"New Tax" Falsehoods: The e-mail continues with a string of made-up taxes that it falsely claims Obama has proposed. He has not proposed a tax on new homes with more than 2,400 square feet, or a new gasoline tax or a tax on retirement accounts. The most laughably false claim is that Obama would tax "water."
Two claims in this message, while not completely false, are still grossly misleading.

The claim that Obama would impose "new taxes on natural resources" may refer to his support for a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions, which indeed would impose large costs on industries burning coal, gas or oil and, indirectly, on their consumers. But McCain also supports cap-and-trade legislation, and even coauthored an early version of a bill that reached the Senate floor this year. Obama's plan would give the federal government more of the revenue from auctioning pollution permits than McCain's plan. Whether cap-and-trade amounts to a "tax" is a matter of interpretation. The fact is neither McCain nor Obama call it that.

There is also some truth to the claim that Obama would impose "new taxes" to finance his health care plan, depending on your interpretation of "new." He has said he would pay for much of his plan "by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do." That would certainly be a tax increase for those high-income persons, compared with what they are paying now. But whether that's imposing a new tax, or just letting an old one come back, depends on your point of view. It may well be that Obama will eventually propose tax increases to finance some of his plan. We've noted before that the "cost savings" that he says will finance much of his plan are inflated and probably won't materialize, according to independent experts we consulted. But it's wrong to say that he's proposing such taxes now.

The short answer to our reader's question is, no, this message isn't real. It's a pack of lies.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Quit lying AsperGirl! And yes, I am calling your post a lie. It is far more than just simply misleading. America would get far more relief from Obama than McCain. The only people that would get relief from McCain would be the Wall St. crooks: http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

Posted by: wrq7iop | September 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's plan does not raise taxes on anyone earning under $250,000. No matter. McCain will lie about it.

Meanwhile, with a record deficit and loans from China that our children will have to pay back (or work for the Chinese), McCain continues to have the Chinese finance our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan while giving $50,000 in tax breaks to the wealthiest citizens in the US. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, patriotic about that.

Why won't the millionaires and billionaires in this country sacrifice for our national security? Why is it only the people from our lower economic strata who are sacrificing -- their LIVES and LIMBS -- for the war? Answer : Because that's the way Republicans get elected.

Posted by: trace1 | September 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Form factcheck.org


QUESTION

Would Obama tax my profits if I sell my home? Would he tax my IRA? Would he tax my water?
I was just sent this and it had 100s of names attached and forwarded over and over – is it real?

ANSWER
No. A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.
Alert readers may already have noted that this chain e-mail does not provide links to any of Obama's actual proposals or cite any sources for the claims it makes. That is because they are made up.This widely distributed message is so full of misinformation that we find it impossible to believe that it is the result of simple ignorance or carelessness on the part of the writer. Almost nothing it says about Obama's tax proposals is true. We conclude that this deception is deliberate.

Wachovia Apologizes

Update, Aug. 27:One version of this e-mail was sent around by a financial professional, Robert Jenkins, a vice president of Wachovia Securities in St. Louis, Mo. Even though Jenkins is an investment adviser and not a tax expert, we thought his endorsement might seem to some readers to give this false e-mail greater credibility. So we attempted to ask Jenkins about the matter. But instead of a reply from him, we received the following message from another Wachovia official, whose identity we confirmed by telephone:

Thank you for contacting Wachovia regarding a recent email regarding "proposed changes in taxes after the 2008 General election." Please know that Wachovia does not endorse any political party, candidate, or initiative, and that our Firm did not endorse or approve the email as it is contrary to our Code of Conduct and Corporate Values.
Members of executive and departmental leadership in Wachovia Corporation and Wachovia Securities have been made aware of the email, and Robert Jenkins has been dealt with appropriately and directly. Every effort has been made to ensure that no additional emails or communications of this nature will be issued by any member of our Firm.
We sincerely apologize for this unfortunate incident.
Cynthia Plackemeier
Assistant Branch Manager
We later contacted William Mannen, a Wachovia vice president for branch administration in St. Louis. He declined to say whether or not Jenkins is still employed by Wachovia.
Our own sources for the following are Obama's own Web site and other statements, interviews with Obama's policy advisers, and a comprehensive analysis of both the McCain and Obama tax plans produced by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, plus additional sources to which we have provided links.Home Sales: The claim that Obama would impose a 28 percent tax on the profit from "all home sales" is false. Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales.
Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.

Tax on Dividends: Another false claim is that Obama proposes to raise the tax rate on dividends to 39.6 percent. Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent. This higher tax also would fall only on couples making $250,000 or more or singles making more than $200,000.

Taxing IRAs and 529s: Contrary to the claim in this e-mail, raising tax rates on capital gains or dividends would not result in higher taxes on any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts or in popular, tax-deferred "college funds" under section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code. The whole point of such tax-deferred plans is that dividends and capital gains are allowed to accumulate and compound tax-free, and neither Obama nor McCain proposes to change that. And as previously mentioned, any capital gains or dividend income from stocks, bonds or mutual funds owned outside of tax-deferred accounts would continue to be taxed at current rates except for couples making over $250,000, or singles making more than $200,000.

Doubled Taxes? The claim that "Under Obama your taxes will more than double!" is also false. The comparative rate tables this e-mail provides for McCain and Obama are entirely wrong, as we explained in an earlier article March 13 about another false e-mail from which these tables are copied. It is supposedly a comparison of tax rates before and after the Bush tax cuts, but it grossly overstates the effect of the Bush cuts. Furthermore, Obama proposes to retain the Bush cuts for every single income level shown in this bogus table.

Estate Tax. The claim that Obama proposes to "restore the inheritance tax" is also false, as are the claims that McCain would impose zero tax and that Bush "repealed" it. McCain and Obama both would retain a reduced version of the estate tax, as it is correctly called, though McCain would reduce it by more.

The tax now falls only on estates valued at more than $2 million (effectively $4 million for couples able to set up the required legal and financial arrangements). It reaches a maximum rate of 45 percent on amounts more than that. It was not repealed, but it is set to expire temporarily in 2010, then return in 2011, when it would apply to estates valued at more than $1 million ($2 million for couples), with the maximum rate rising to 55 percent.

Obama has proposed to apply the tax only to estates valued at more than $3.5 million ($7 million for couples), holding the maximum rate at 45 percent. McCain would apply it to estates worth more than $5 million ($10 million for couples), with a maximum rate of 15 percent.

"New Tax" Falsehoods: The e-mail continues with a string of made-up taxes that it falsely claims Obama has proposed. He has not proposed a tax on new homes with more than 2,400 square feet, or a new gasoline tax or a tax on retirement accounts. The most laughably false claim is that Obama would tax "water."
Two claims in this message, while not completely false, are still grossly misleading.

The claim that Obama would impose "new taxes on natural resources" may refer to his support for a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions, which indeed would impose large costs on industries burning coal, gas or oil and, indirectly, on their consumers. But McCain also supports cap-and-trade legislation, and even coauthored an early version of a bill that reached the Senate floor this year. Obama's plan would give the federal government more of the revenue from auctioning pollution permits than McCain's plan. Whether cap-and-trade amounts to a "tax" is a matter of interpretation. The fact is neither McCain nor Obama call it that.

There is also some truth to the claim that Obama would impose "new taxes" to finance his health care plan, depending on your interpretation of "new." He has said he would pay for much of his plan "by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do." That would certainly be a tax increase for those high-income persons, compared with what they are paying now. But whether that's imposing a new tax, or just letting an old one come back, depends on your point of view. It may well be that Obama will eventually propose tax increases to finance some of his plan. We've noted before that the "cost savings" that he says will finance much of his plan are inflated and probably won't materialize, according to independent experts we consulted. But it's wrong to say that he's proposing such taxes now.

The short answer to our reader's question is, no, this message isn't real. It's a pack of lies.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

>>Is he dumb? Does'nt he realize that most people in this bracket are small businessmen? What do you think these businessmen will do if you burden them with increase taxes? Worse, they may even close shop or lay-off employees<<
Hold up there Peanut...you said my personal taxes. My businesses pays taxes as well and the two are not directly related.
See, this is where the conservative-socialists fall off the hay wagon every time. I own a business, I get paid for that. That's one tax I pay (capital gains). I run a business, I get paid for that, that's another kind of tax I pay(income tax). My business makes money, it pays taxes-corporate taxes. You're rolling them all into a single ball
Raising capitol gains makes me shift my compensation into direct income, raising income tax pushes money to capital gains. Neither impact my business, which is a seperate entity that pays taxes on it's own.
Right now, with capital gains set where it is, I get most of my compensation as a dividend, not a salary or wage.
The long and the short of it is, if you aren't self employed, don't worry about the self employed people, we're very good at looking out for ourselves.

Posted by: dijetlo | September 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, clearly asper posted a lie. Frothing racists like asper really have not much else to go on

Here is snopes.com on that email (hint, its false)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

Posted by: DDAWD | September 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

To LIARS for Palin/McCain: Yes, we are angry! We are pissed off and outraged that the Republican Party, for greed and power, has sold this country out. Our anger is the same as the anger Jesus had when he threw the moneychangers out of the temple for defiling his father's house. The Republicans have defiled our house -- this country and its constitution (the only thing that makes this country worth anything). Yes we are angry, and we want to clean house and make this country decent and repsectable again.

Posted by: Angry Democrat | September 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Are you still posting that old lie? Oh well, here we go again

Form factcheck.org


QUESTION

Would Obama tax my profits if I sell my home? Would he tax my IRA? Would he tax my water?
I was just sent this and it had 100s of names attached and forwarded over and over – is it real?

ANSWER
No. A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.
Alert readers may already have noted that this chain e-mail does not provide links to any of Obama's actual proposals or cite any sources for the claims it makes. That is because they are made up.This widely distributed message is so full of misinformation that we find it impossible to believe that it is the result of simple ignorance or carelessness on the part of the writer. Almost nothing it says about Obama's tax proposals is true. We conclude that this deception is deliberate.

Wachovia Apologizes

Update, Aug. 27:One version of this e-mail was sent around by a financial professional, Robert Jenkins, a vice president of Wachovia Securities in St. Louis, Mo. Even though Jenkins is an investment adviser and not a tax expert, we thought his endorsement might seem to some readers to give this false e-mail greater credibility. So we attempted to ask Jenkins about the matter. But instead of a reply from him, we received the following message from another Wachovia official, whose identity we confirmed by telephone:

Thank you for contacting Wachovia regarding a recent email regarding "proposed changes in taxes after the 2008 General election." Please know that Wachovia does not endorse any political party, candidate, or initiative, and that our Firm did not endorse or approve the email as it is contrary to our Code of Conduct and Corporate Values.
Members of executive and departmental leadership in Wachovia Corporation and Wachovia Securities have been made aware of the email, and Robert Jenkins has been dealt with appropriately and directly. Every effort has been made to ensure that no additional emails or communications of this nature will be issued by any member of our Firm.
We sincerely apologize for this unfortunate incident.
Cynthia Plackemeier
Assistant Branch Manager
We later contacted William Mannen, a Wachovia vice president for branch administration in St. Louis. He declined to say whether or not Jenkins is still employed by Wachovia.
Our own sources for the following are Obama's own Web site and other statements, interviews with Obama's policy advisers, and a comprehensive analysis of both the McCain and Obama tax plans produced by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, plus additional sources to which we have provided links.Home Sales: The claim that Obama would impose a 28 percent tax on the profit from "all home sales" is false. Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales.
Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.

Tax on Dividends: Another false claim is that Obama proposes to raise the tax rate on dividends to 39.6 percent. Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent. This higher tax also would fall only on couples making $250,000 or more or singles making more than $200,000.

Taxing IRAs and 529s: Contrary to the claim in this e-mail, raising tax rates on capital gains or dividends would not result in higher taxes on any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts or in popular, tax-deferred "college funds" under section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code. The whole point of such tax-deferred plans is that dividends and capital gains are allowed to accumulate and compound tax-free, and neither Obama nor McCain proposes to change that. And as previously mentioned, any capital gains or dividend income from stocks, bonds or mutual funds owned outside of tax-deferred accounts would continue to be taxed at current rates except for couples making over $250,000, or singles making more than $200,000.

Doubled Taxes? The claim that "Under Obama your taxes will more than double!" is also false. The comparative rate tables this e-mail provides for McCain and Obama are entirely wrong, as we explained in an earlier article March 13 about another false e-mail from which these tables are copied. It is supposedly a comparison of tax rates before and after the Bush tax cuts, but it grossly overstates the effect of the Bush cuts. Furthermore, Obama proposes to retain the Bush cuts for every single income level shown in this bogus table.

Estate Tax. The claim that Obama proposes to "restore the inheritance tax" is also false, as are the claims that McCain would impose zero tax and that Bush "repealed" it. McCain and Obama both would retain a reduced version of the estate tax, as it is correctly called, though McCain would reduce it by more.

The tax now falls only on estates valued at more than $2 million (effectively $4 million for couples able to set up the required legal and financial arrangements). It reaches a maximum rate of 45 percent on amounts more than that. It was not repealed, but it is set to expire temporarily in 2010, then return in 2011, when it would apply to estates valued at more than $1 million ($2 million for couples), with the maximum rate rising to 55 percent.

Obama has proposed to apply the tax only to estates valued at more than $3.5 million ($7 million for couples), holding the maximum rate at 45 percent. McCain would apply it to estates worth more than $5 million ($10 million for couples), with a maximum rate of 15 percent.

"New Tax" Falsehoods: The e-mail continues with a string of made-up taxes that it falsely claims Obama has proposed. He has not proposed a tax on new homes with more than 2,400 square feet, or a new gasoline tax or a tax on retirement accounts. The most laughably false claim is that Obama would tax "water."
Two claims in this message, while not completely false, are still grossly misleading.

The claim that Obama would impose "new taxes on natural resources" may refer to his support for a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions, which indeed would impose large costs on industries burning coal, gas or oil and, indirectly, on their consumers. But McCain also supports cap-and-trade legislation, and even coauthored an early version of a bill that reached the Senate floor this year. Obama's plan would give the federal government more of the revenue from auctioning pollution permits than McCain's plan. Whether cap-and-trade amounts to a "tax" is a matter of interpretation. The fact is neither McCain nor Obama call it that.

There is also some truth to the claim that Obama would impose "new taxes" to finance his health care plan, depending on your interpretation of "new." He has said he would pay for much of his plan "by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do." That would certainly be a tax increase for those high-income persons, compared with what they are paying now. But whether that's imposing a new tax, or just letting an old one come back, depends on your point of view. It may well be that Obama will eventually propose tax increases to finance some of his plan. We've noted before that the "cost savings" that he says will finance much of his plan are inflated and probably won't materialize, according to independent experts we consulted. But it's wrong to say that he's proposing such taxes now.

The short answer to our reader's question is, no, this message isn't real. It's a pack of lies.

===========
2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON

:: CAPITAL GAINS TAX ::

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

:: DIVIDEND TAX ::

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

:: INCOME TAX ::

MCCAIN

(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

:: INHERITANCE TAX ::

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

:: NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA ::

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

You can verify the above at the following web sites:

money. cnn.com/news/ specials/ election/ 2008/index. html
www.cnn. com/ELECTION/ 2008/issues/ issues.taxes. html
elections. foxnews..com/ ?s=proposed+ taxes
bulletin. aarp.org/ yourworld/ politics/ articles/ mccain_obama_ offer_different_ visions_on_ taxes.html
blog. washingtonpost. com/fact- checker/candidat es/barack_ obama/
blog. washingtonpost. com/fact- checker/candidat es/john_mccain/

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 2:27 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN SAYS IT'S TIME FOR ME TO BE
"PATRIOTIC" & CONTRIBUTE MORE MONEY IN TAXES
TO SUPPORT THEIR UTOPIA & USELESS EXISTENCES

The biggest turn-off to the Democrats this year is all the Jimmy Carter revivalists who, along with Obama, are crying about financial injustice and who want to tax me to support their utopia. What is the big turnoff is that the people in the media, liberal arts and ivory tower left-wing who are the cultural base for Obama are the same people who didn't study in college, who went on spring break, and who took whole weeks off to get involved with boyfriends and girlfriends while in college.

Meanwhile, I was studying day and night, during breaks and had no summers in Europe. Only now, I can make money while Obama netroots on DailyKos whine that they should tax me because: "how can someone with a liberal arts degre get a job in this economy"?

All the useless, feel-good and partying, cool people in college are the same kinds of people pushing Obama now, and sneering down and "low information" blue collar workers, businessmen and small business people. They want to tax the small farm estates of the farming grunts they see dragging tractors around their fields all day, and they want to tax the electricians with six figure small businesses whose butt cracks they laugh at in their condescending way when talking about "low information" "Clinton voters". These are the hardworking, blue collar farm estate and skilled-worker-small-business owners, who they want to tax to correct the "social injustice" of having a hard time getting a job with a C-average, feel-good liberal arts degree from a 4th rate state school.

They say when you're young if you have a heart you're a Democrat and if when you get older if you have a brain you become a Republican. Well, I think the transition point comes when you realize that all the people pushing all the perfect-worlder, fatuous social programs politics are the dim-bulb, affected losers who never worked as hard as you did. The ones who are too stupid to realize that with a C-average liberal arts degree from a no-name school they have to be ready to sell insurance, strap on an apron, or carry lumber from place to place to support themselves.

I didn't work as hard as I did in school and afterward, to be taxed to support the utopia of the dim-bulb liberal arts losers who populate the left leaning blogs and call people like me rich white pigs who have what they deserve more of, as if some social injustice made them get useless degrees and skip classes.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

GOVERNMENT TARGETING OF U.S. CITIZENS:
A ROOT CAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

Posted by: scrivener | September 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

More lies from the Grampus. He doesn't seem to care about truth any more, even when his allegations are clearly shown to be lies.

Posted by: tom | September 18, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I have gotten so much grief for my tax plan. I am now going to tax only bill Gates and Warren buffet. Everyone else gets a free ride.

vote for me.

Posted by: snObama | September 18, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

You and for that matter CNN, for ideological reasons, don't look inside the numbers. Just two examples: 1. How can Obama give 95% of Americans a tax cut when 40% of Americans don't pay federal taxes? What he's talking about is a huge transfer of income,a new welfare system, under the guise of the tax code.
2.American corporations pay the second highest taxes in the developed world. Under Obama they would pay the highest. In a global economy, capital will just move to a better environment. Obama's plan is a job killer.
I wish you and CNN did a better job at analysis.


Posted by: paladin | September 18, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

When McSame is being outted as a liar in all respects by Rove, McSame's shelf-life on his lies is up!

How about the biggest lie that McSame tells, that he has a plan for any and all problems afflicting the country and the world.

He reminds of another useless sack, the one that's currently in the WH.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | September 18, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Another day, another lie from McMaverick. The WaPo has shown how Obama is giving a tax break to families making under $250k, no tax increase for families making between A$250-650k, and a roll back in the tax breaks for those over $650k. Turn this on it's head, and you have McMaverick's plan.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

" crazy, angry, hyper-pertisan, stupid or naive"

LIAR ... all LIARS!


Posted by: LIARS for Palin/McCain | September 18, 2008 2:26 PM

Yep. all of the above. the new adjective is Dumbocrat. it means crazy, angry, hyper-pertisan, stupid or naive

Posted by: need proof | September 18, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON

:: CAPITAL GAINS TAX ::

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

:: DIVIDEND TAX ::

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

:: INCOME TAX ::

MCCAIN

(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

:: INHERITANCE TAX ::

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

:: NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA ::

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

You can verify the above at the following web sites:

money. cnn.com/news/ specials/ election/ 2008/index. html
www.cnn. com/ELECTION/ 2008/issues/ issues.taxes. html
elections. foxnews..com/ ?s=proposed+ taxes
bulletin. aarp.org/ yourworld/ politics/ articles/ mccain_obama_ offer_different_ visions_on_ taxes.html
blog. washingtonpost. com/fact- checker/candidat es/barack_ obama/
blog. washingtonpost. com/fact- checker/candidat es/john_mccain/

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The biggest lie in this ad is that the middle class will pay MORE TAXES UNDER McCAIN, and even Alan Greenspan, long time Republican said AMERICA CANNOT AFFORD McCAIN'S TAX PLAN saying he doesn't think the U.S. should pay for tax cuts for the rich with BORROWED MONEY!

Posted by: Summertym | September 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I am really sick of hearing how Obama is going to take from the rich to give to the poor. How do you think the rich got rich??? On the backs of the working people that's how. How many golden parachutes would be available to CEOs, etc. if they did not have profits derived from the work of the WORKERS!!! So, in essence what is being said is that the rich want to stay rich while the people that made them rich can just f*&k off!

Posted by: Dedicated Diva | September 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I went to Harvard. I am not stupid. I am smarter than everyone. I even know how many states there are - 57. If you need anymore answers, please email them to my staff of 3000, I will have a response drafted up and placed in line on my teleprompter.

Posted by: snObama | September 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

This discussion seems to be missing the key point of this election: can't raise your taxes if you don't have an income.

Posted by: muD | September 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I am somewhat attracted to Obama but have noticed that most of his supporters are either crazy, angry, hyper-pertisan, stupid or naive. I am not any of these and feel totally out of place in the Democrat party...
Posted by: Sandy | September 18, 2008 2:19 PM
No, "Sandy" you Republic troll -- you are all of "these."
Sorry ... no nonpartisan uses the insulting "Democrat" party tag. Try a new screen name and see if you can rope a dope any truly undecided voters. LIAR ... all LIARS!

Posted by: LIARS for Palin/McCain | September 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Its amazing how well brainwashed working people are. They will actually vote for mccain whos published plan says he will raise their taxes but believe him when he says he won't.
They are too used to believing in comfortable lies.
Never underestimate the stupidiy of the american voter, mccain doesn't.

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

HUMOR TO DISTRACT THE NERVOUSNESS IN THE MARKETS

At a town hall meeting in a small city of usa, republican candidates sen. john mccain and gov. sarah palin both called for reforming the financial markets "in wall street and washington," as mccain and palin put it.

McCain: We're going to reform Wall Street and Washington.

Palin: I have that confidence. I have that readiness...

McCain: I believe in you, Palin. You are totally qualified.

Palin: I already spoke with some specialists on it, Jonh.

McCain: Ohhh!!! And who are they?

Palin: Some friends, architects and decorators of Alaska

McCain: But the fundamentals of our economy are very strong, Palin.

Palin: Yes! I know Jonh McCain.

McCain: We need to put fire and put an end in the crisis in our markets...

Palin: I already spoke with God, Jonh.

McCain: Ohhhh!!! And what did he say?

Palin: Put fire there is not mission of him. But he indicated 2 names for us, Jonh.

McCain: Hummm...Very good! And who are they?

Palin: Satan or Bin Laden.

McCain: No, No Thanks.

HUGS FROM BRAZIL FOR ALL CONSCIOUS CITIZENS IN USA!!!

Posted by: Dalmo | September 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone recall the explosion on an aircraft carrier, during the Vietnam era, that was set off by a pilot accidently dropping his bombs while sitting on the deck of the carrier? Guess who the pilot was! When your dad is an high up in the Navy you get away with anything!

Posted by: Truthman | September 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

snObama -- the winner being the one whose ads are not as negative. You're stupid.

Posted by: Negative Ads R' Us: McCain/Palin | September 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I love all of you conservatives... you want your government to protect, educate and care for you... but you don't want to pay for it... you want some other sap to do it for you...

Well I blame our broken economy on every one of you right-wing dingbats who put Bush and his corporate buddies into power for 8 whole years. And the only way to clean up after you greedy losers is to raise taxes. NOT for bigger government, but to pay for the party you had on our dime for 8 LONG YEARS.

We HAD a great economy till the Republicans took over, and now it will take a smart Democrat to fix it. So whine all you want. But your right-wing whining will do NOTHING to fix the damage you have done.

Posted by: So sick of Republicans | September 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone recall the explosion on an aircraft carrier, during the Vietnam era, that was set off by a pilot accidently dropping his bombs while sitting on the deck of the carrier? Guess who the pilot was! When your dad is an high up in the Navy you get away with anything!

Posted by: Truthman | September 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The middle class in this country has been robbed. We are stuck paying for endless wars and tax cuts to the same Wall St. crook that created the current economic mess. Even worse, McCain want to tax the middle class more while giving massive tax relief to Wall St. There is no way I will be voting for McCain and his final solution for hard-working americans.

Posted by: wrq7iop | September 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do...

Posted by: usa3 | September 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

She's close to the north pole, too, and knows Santi Claus.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The Repukes always reach into their old "lies, smears, wedge issues and scare tactics" bag of tricks whenever the lack of substance of their candidates and positions become apparent. The classic desperate acts of a party and a candidate with nothing substantive to offer.

The lies and smears have failed; the wedge issues and scare tactics like "Obama's going to raise your taxes" is all the neoCONS have left.

Truth be told, the Obama tax plan will benefit 80% of us; only those in the upper brackets will take a hit.

And before you buy the "lower taxes will enable corporations and small business to create jobs" BS, ask yourself where the f are the jobs created by the Bush tax cuts. Never mind. We all know: The new jobs are overseas.

Only the unintelligent, uninformed, and unconcerned buy into the neocon BS this time around.

Frankly, there aren't enough of them to put the McSame/Failin ticket over.

Posted by: ceefer66 | September 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

In a revealing slip in an interview with ABC recently, Mr. Obama said, "If we're going to ask questions about who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily."

Once in a while I stumble on the truth.

Posted by: snObama | September 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Tax receipts will be down by a large amount next year, no matter who is President.

Taxes from Capital Gains will drop dramatically. And the Wall Street losses will carry-forward into the next couple of tax years.

The payroll taxes paid by the middle-class will have to carry a higher burden of the over-all tax revenue. I don't care what Obama is telling you about a middle-class tax cut.

Posted by: jdcw | September 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"...John McCain is turning to a tried and true tactic..."

That's the most accurate statement I've read from any of your articles to date.

The reason it's "tried" is because it's valid-the same reason it's "true".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

In response to the Hello, Kathy way above...

Do you really believe that a oversized gov. should expect the higher wage earner to foot their bills? I am in a lower wage bracket and do not expect others to pay for my needs. Yes, their should be fairness in how taxes are paid, but to expect government not to trim back and to continue to expect more taxes is just out there and shows you are out of touch with reallity. It has to stop sometime, you can not continue to tap the higher wage earner and just how many are in that bracket. Who is to say they have not choosen to cut back already on those little extras, like lawn mowing and maid service, etc. So who is going to give the lawn mowing person a new job or the maid service? You are not thinking very hard, about the big picture here. Government does not have someone to stop it from running everyone over with its train of taxes, more taxes. We the people do not have a voice yet on how to stop this run away train. They keep taking and taking. I was living comfortably, that is making my bills and being able to each within reason. Now, I am pinching and cutting off services, and watching where I drive too. Making sure I make the most of my trips in the car. If any new taxes are brought onto my family I will surely sink so low our family will not be able to climb back. Do you not see that taxing is not the answer. If you tax, the big companies you hurt your self in the long run. Lost of jobs, benefits, etc... The answer is cut back on the governments spending, and not the areas they focus on, take away their extras, gyms, golf, dinners, free plane rides,etc.. If we have to trim, make them trim first! After all look at their salaries and fring benifits.

Posted by: jj | September 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

it may be tried and true, but the facts and the record may indeed get in the way this time around. There's just no debating that Obama is proposing a tax cut for most folks because it's their turn, and proposing to just let the temporary Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire like they were written to do. And with McCain having called those tax cuts irresponsible, he's kind of boxed in. Leaving him with a sort of "I know he is proposing a tax cut for most folks, but he's a democrat so you can't believe him - and I think the rich deserve to have their irresponsible tax cut extended" line, and given his growing credibility problem on all things economic especially, it may be tried, but it won't be true this time around

Posted by: JoeT | September 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Change?

This action alone, shows just how much true change Obama would bring to Washington.

Barack Obama has "hired" former FANNIE MAE chief Jim Johnson to lead his vice presidential search committee.

WHAT A DISGRACE!

If this isn't a slap in the face to each and every American who is having to BAIL OUT Fannnie Mae with Federal Tax MONEY, I certainly don't know what is?

M. Chambers

"The bad decisions will continue until morale improves" must be Obama's motto. Give us a break Pal!

What IS HE THINKING?

Posted by: M. Chambers | September 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

This is disturbing, considering that all objective analysis has found that Obama would effectively lower taxes for far more Americans than McCain. Like with the Palin stuff, why can't the media do it's job of reporting the actual facts and disputing the BS that the campaigns throw out there.

Posted by: Tony | September 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: Heather | September 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

drosless..

re-read her post...irony is tough

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Liar ... John McCain is a liar and Cilizza fails to highlight that every single objective fact checker has debunked his claims that Obama would raise taxes on the middle class --- Obama will bring tax relief to all but those making more than $250,000 a year (a population that just shrunk a bit in the last 3 days). LIAR... we need to say it often and say it loud. Sen. Claire McCaskill had the absolute best distillation of the Democrats' reply to this kind of rubbish:
"There can be no honor without honesty."
McCain has gone to the well once too often as he claims creation of the Blackberry, Palin refusing funds for the "Bridge to Nowhere" and his dishonest and disgusting false ads. He's been called on it for a week and that is the new narrative of this campaign. John McCain is not honorable. He is a LIAR. He will LIE about EVERYTHING to get elected. LIAR. Can't say it loud enough of too frequently. LIAR. Keep it up pants on fire Johnny .... LIAR. And if you want a laugh, or cry, check out this video of him contradicting his hero Alan Greenspan...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMDeGdOkZg

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Report on McCain interview shows that McCain doesn't know what hemisphere Spain is in, and doesn't even know whether Spain is an ally or an enemy. Don't worry, Sarah can handle that. She can see Russia from her house (not sure if she's heard of Spain though). Hahahahahaha!

Posted by: EvenDumberThanWeAreFuuckedUp: McCain/Pallin | September 18, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If you put Mccains ranting and lies of the last few weeks in any kind of perspictive, you have to begin to question his mental stability. In just the few days his reaction to his polls falling, the Palin pick tanking you can actually hear the panic and anger in his voice and statements. He is almost irrational now and getting worse. His performance on the view is a case in point. He was actually shaking as he tried to dodge the simple questions from a few women.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I am new to blogging and am curious. Perhaps someone can answer these questions for me.

I am somewhat attracted to Obama but have noticed that most of his supporters are either crazy, angry, hyper-pertisan, stupid or naive. I am not any of these and feel totally out of place in the Democrat party. I agree that the government should help people that really need it, but should not take over everything. success should not be punished and profit is not evil.

how can he, of all people, criticize anyone's experience? what happened to his promise to elevate politics - he has been all negative for weeks? why did he pick biden? where are all his friends and associates hiding, waiting to return after the election?

I would vote for him, but he never answers these basic questions, even after all this time. Gov. Palin already covered this stuff the first week. what's his excuse?

Posted by: Sandy | September 18, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Given the tax attack is based on a falsehood, shouldn't the headline be:

"A Tax Attack, Tried and Untrue"?

Posted by: DDS | September 18, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

1. “I’m totally in favor of personal savings accounts… As part of Social Security reform, I believe that private savings accounts are a part of it — along the lines that President Bush proposed,” McCain told the Journal.[Wall Street Journal, 3/3/08]

2. McCain: “You, the American workers, are the best in the world. But your economic security has been put at risk by the greed of Wall Street." (New McSame commercial,9/17/08)

Posted by: pali2500 | September 18, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing that the American public will hear a lie over and over enough to believe it is true. Democrats are all tax and spenders. Bullcrap! Republicants are the best liars in the country because they've been doing it for years. Every time a Republicant gets in the White House, government grows at a faster rate, the deficit balloons, and fear mongering takes the place of governance.
McCain/Palin? McSame/Failin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain's military record..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk

Now lets see what his vet buddies confirm about McCain the hero.

It ain't pretty

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Kathy, you wrote "McCain is the only one strong enough to hold the veto pen for Marxist Congress"

Don't you think that with the Republican Administration nationalizing banks, insurers, and investment companies, it's time to stop throwing around your ignorant "Marxist" slander?

I mean, really, it just makes you look silly.

Posted by: drossless | September 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see that Chris Cillizza hasn't quit his day job of selling out his journalistic integrity and carrying water for John McBush and the Greedy Oil Party...

Posted by: Quit lying Cillizza. That's how we got into Iraq, remember? | September 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please! Gimme a break! That dog won't hunt anymore, too old to hunt (it's almost as old as John McCain). I've done the numbers for myself and like all of us in the real middle class (not the rich pretending to be middle class), none of us will be taxed any more under Sen. Obama's plan than we currently are being taxed. Under Sen. Obama's plan we either come out slightly ahead or stay the same. It's only the wealthy who might have to worry that after 8 years they'll be asked to pay their fair share again. Besides, if you don't have a job or a house, you're not going to have to worry about paying taxes and if John McCain is elected he'll continue Bush's failed policies. More of McSame = a failing economy, home foreclosures, a rising national debt and deficit, and more jobs lost.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | September 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Kathy (below). McCain will stop that marxist pork spending, and he can do it, yea, baby.


ON SPENDING THAT HER BOSS JUST LOVES…NOT!!!

“Porky” Palin – hey, as it turns out, that pig does wear lipstick….wow!!!

After McCain said earlier this year that he won't "spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," Politico reports that as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin requested millions of dollars to study the DNA of harbor seals, among other things (including research on the mating habits of crabs.)
Intelligent people everywhere are both amused and appalled that Palin, who claims she is conservative when it comes to earmarks, would request federal money for a project nearly identical to one that McCain has mocked. The earmark is yet another example of how McCain and Palin are "hypocrites and liars."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/11/02449/9021

At the end of the clip, John McCain promises that he'll make the names of wasteful government spenders "famous."

Apparently, he kept his pledge: he picked one of them to be his veep.

“We’re not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana,” McCain has said during this year’s campaign, referring to a study he’s mocked for years of whether grizzlies need to keep their status as an endangered species.

Palin, meanwhile, has requested $3.2 million to be spent in part researching the “genetics of harbor seals,”

"Senator McCain said Governor Palin ‘learned that earmarks are bad’, but in 2008 alone Gov. Palin requested $256 million in earmarks for Alaska, and her state received more earmarks per person that any other state," said spokesman Tommy Vietor.

"The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."

OINK, OINK, BABE

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dellis;

You say "It is ridiculous that McCain has been called dishonorable (a terrible insult to a former POW)"

However, is it not true that when McShame left the ship in his plane his objective was to complete his mission and return to the ship? Did he do that? No, he didn't - he failed as a fighter pilot as HE DIDN'T COMPLETE HIS MISSION and was captured and became a POW! He is a FAILURE!

ELECT OBAMA IN NOVEMBER OR SUFFER 4 MORE YEARS OF GWB POLICIES!

Posted by: luvwknd | September 18, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Just a reminder:

The non-partisan Tax Policy Center says that McCain's tax proposals (tilted to the very rich) will add $5.4 TRILLION to the National Debt.

Posted by: pali2500 | September 18, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Beyond the fact that the public may not believe the GOP this time, it also seems to me that the public, while assuming Obama would tax them more than McCain (logical since they've seen what kind of taxes you pay under Bush), that doesn't mean that they agree that it would be such a bad idea. I think there is a, to borrow McCain's phrase, fundamental disbelief in the entire ideological bent of the conservatives right now, and a feeling that they've taken their theories way too far. It's the same assumption that everyone makes about a terrorist attack - if one were to happen, it would automatically benefit McCain since he's the Republican. I just don't buy it. I think it's the same in that policy area - although the public is aware of the boilerplate definitions of the party platforms, recent history could mean that people just don't believe the standard breakdowns any longer.

Posted by: squintz | September 18, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN KNOWS ALL ABOUT BAILING OUT RICH BANKERS AND SCREWING OVER MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE, HE'S BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS!!!


*McCain - Founding Member of the Keating Five:

McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.
Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."


*Mafia Ties:

In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.


Straight-talk, my friends:

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
.

Posted by: Kylie Romanski | September 18, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have changed the formula: it is "Tax and spend," but "Spend but don't tax." Almost $200B a year of unfunded expenses goes to the war on terrorism and rebuilding Iraq (during this time Iraq has managed to build up over a $60B surplus in oil revenue), and now billions are being given to failed financial institutions to bail them out of a mess created by their own greed. We now have a deficit of over $400B, and the national debt is at the highest it has ever been. Congress controlled the presidency and both houses of congress until two years ago. The Treassury would be bankrupt if it couldn't print money, and McCain says the Democrats will get us into financial trouble! Also he says it is excessive government regulations that has gotten us into this mess. Where has he been? Oh, that's right; for the past 25 years he has helped Republicans dismantle the regulations on business and financial institutions put into place during the New Deal. Today one of the only bright lights on the horizon is the FDIC (yeah, another one of those cocamamy protections of the Democrats). Even it, however, isn't sound as the Republicans have failed to keep it adequately funded. Look at the past. Every period of Republican control has been followed by economic disaster, which has been cleaned up by succeeding Democratic administrations.

Posted by: ChuckB | September 18, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Kathy, were you runner-up to Sarah in the Miss Dolt Alaska contest?

Posted by: McCain-Palin: Two empty heads are as good as one | September 18, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

COMMIE GOP’s FAKE TAX BREAKS
The reality is that this commie GOP presided over the biggest increase in American government spending in US History.

TAX BY DEBT.
We all know the problem in the USA is DEBT!

I call it TAX DEBT because the only true source of money a Government has is Taxes and we all know when we take out a loan we have to pay it back, so Government loans are just TAXES PLUS INTEREST, in other words TAX DEBT.

It is this same sick ideology of DEBT Cheney glorified with his: "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." pronouncement; this putrid NeoConMen philosophy of BORROW AND SPEND, SPEND, SPEND that has brought America to the Second Great Depression.

We all know the GOP has lost its conservative roots and has been acting like a bunch of commies for years; that the GOP has become a BORROW AND SPEND, SPEND, SPEND! commie party. Like some kid at the mall with their parents credit card. This frankly commie GOP writing a blank check for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is just par for the course. IT IS JUST MORE DEBT and Cheney says it does not matter?

DEBT with which they have INFECTED US businesses and the very citizens of America!

DEBT on cars, houses, furniture, college, and even your credit card for the groceries.

Shop till you drop! DEBT!

The DEBT of predatory lending practices.
The DEBT of maxed out credit cards.
The DEBT of rising mortgage interest rates.
The DEBT that created sub-prime.
The DEBT that destroys US companies.

US TAX DEBT already stands at over 9 trillion dollars the equivalent of a second mortgage on every US family. 30,000 dollars for every US citizen, children included. Rising every hour and expected to reach 10 Trillion Dollars by the end of the year. Plus 3 Trillion for Fannie & Freddie. Who knows what the final bill for AIG will be.

Trillions of dollars PLUS interest that you the US tax payer has to pay.

America has become a nation of DEBT SLAVES!

And this commie GOP is already stinging America for its TAX DEBT.

A STEALTH TAX OF DEBT!
As Milton Friedman said "Inflation is taxation without legislation."

It is clear the current White House Administration has used a dollar depreciation policy to collect taxes and reduce the value of the US citizens dollar while it was in their pocket.

The tax is collected from you the US Tax Payer in the form of rising gas and food prices. It has a name INFLATION.

THE GOP DO NOT UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS
This is what happens when you elect a party who do not understand the economy or business.

Cheney ran Haliburton into Chapter 11 along with KBR; all because of the investment decisions Cheney made. Since then they have been state supported with the worlds biggest ever social security cheque, 6 billion dollars of no bid contracts and a continuous drip feed of Iraq Pork.

Every business George Bush managed went belly up.

Trust fund kiddie "Hanoi McSame" is a Chairman Mao quoting self confessed economic ingnoramous whos finances are looked after by his wife.

His VP choice a self confessed "Hockey Mom" with zero business experience, her lack of managment skills is evident in her lack of control over her own daughter's underage sex and teenage pregnancy.

AMERICA HAS NEVER HAD IT SO BAD!
Whether it is banks going bust or rising inflation and unemployment or 100 dollar oil and or not enough money to keep prisoners in jail or maintain US highways or even bridges, cash strapped and disorganised disaster recovery, people pulling their own teeth because they cannot afford health insurance, foreclosures, shares and wages falling through the floor, US business going bust and getting bought up by commie China or put under Sharia law by some sovereign wealth fund, your 401K worth half what was two years ago THE ROOT PROBLEM IS DEBT!

Investors look at the weight of DEBT on the future US economy and they see a subprime USA and foreclosure on the horizon.

WHERE DID IT ALL GO?
Are you asking your self; where did all those trillions of Dollars go?

PORK SUBSIDIES for the likes of Haliburton, Blackwater and KBR and all those other Republicommie companies that went to Iraq to suck on the US TAX TIT. Paid for by YOU the American TAX PAYER. Tens of Billions of dollars US auditors cannot even find.

The treasure of the US economy and lives of the US military squandered on Iraq.

TIME FOR CHANGE
America is sick to the stomach of the NeoConMen. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They are sick of the NeoConMen raping our grand kids planet. They are sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They are sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit.

And they are hungry for CHANGE.
And they are hungry for UNITY.
And they are hungry for HOPE.

THE GOP IS DEAD
The Republican Party ain't Conservative any more; time somebody dug a hole and buried its stinking slimy commie corpse.

Do you want this Commie GOP to run America's Economy into the ground?

Do you want to betray America and let the Commie GOP back in to power?

Are you a commie GOP suporter?

Posted by: walker1 | September 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If the mainstream media reported on the truth of the argument that Dems will raise taxes rather than just reporting on what the Republicans say then the uneducated public who are too lazy to log on to a website and read an actual policy plan will continue to believe the rhetoric rather than reality.

I'd like to see journalists reporting the following: John McCain says that Barack Obama will raise your taxes and favors massive government. Actually, that's a lie. Obama's economic plan would lower taxes for everyone making less than 250,000 per year. As for big government, Bush and the republican party just purchased AIG and is now supporting Iraq. Bush, a republican is one of the biggest spenders in presidential history.

Posted by: edzo1 | September 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Dellis,

you dip. Just what is our government doing in the market today?

give it up. The Evangelical Party is the worst at spending and have brought us to the point of a financial meltdown.

What happens when the government spends so much proping up broken companies and pumping up collapsing markets, reparing storm damanged communities that they can't pay their own debt payments on the trillions of dollars the Evangelical Party has frivolously blown on the military, building up the largest bureaucratic organization even know, and passing out billions to friends?

Get a clue!

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Part one of the standard fear package, The other will be the foreign policy one. And McCain doesn't know Spain , as shown today. His tax policy is just like Bush's and is essentially a restatement of an old line from the early days of SNL:How to be a millionaire and avoid taxes --- first you have to be a millionaire. Speaking of taxes, when are we going to see Palin's.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | September 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

It's not the republicans that are saying Obama isn't qualified. Look around at what hillary, dodd, Biden...

Posted by: I be smart, me is lib | September 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Those signs dont' show McCain's whole slogan: [FUUCK THE] COUNTRY FIRST!

Posted by: YouOweMeYourVoteIWasaPOW | September 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

If you look in history the economy always does better with a Dem in charge.

Don’t give the Republicans another 4 years to complete the destruction of this country!

Posted by: Michael | September 18, 2008 1:57 PM

I agree completely. VERY TRUE.

Posted by: yard80197 | September 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Typical BS from McShame!

This old coot couldn't find his socks in his sock drawer let alone any policies that could help the American people! Oh yea, he only wants to help those who make over 5 million per year!

VOTE OBAMA IN NOVEMBER OR SUFFER 4 MORE YEARS OF GWB POLICIES!

Posted by: luvwknd | September 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the only one strong enough to hold the veto pen for Marxist Congress and their pork spending. For all those dummycrats out there your state's infrastructures deserve to fall apart so we can keep Morgan Stanley and Goldman afloat.

After all if the orders for 24 karat gold hot tubs dry up many more Americans (average Joe's like you and me who work 12+ hour days) will dry up. And with the strict anti-personal bankruptcy laws what will people do?

Posted by: Kathy | September 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain is running around claiming that he is "serving a cause greater than himself" and that the Democratic team is not. The willingness to pay taxes is merely putting your money where your mouth is. Without adequate taxes, how will Mr. McCain keep the Iraq war going "for as long as necessary"? How will he finance the tax cuts he wants to implement?

You cannot decry taxes, which go to fund projects for the common good, and simultaneously call to "serve a higher cause"?

Posted by: R M Gopal | September 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, founder of the STRAIGHT-FUUCK-EXPRESS. He'll screw us all! (after he does Sarah)

Posted by: StraightTalkin'John | September 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Those who think Palin is more qualified than Obama, surely must be one of the following: 1) converted hippies whose brains are toasted and cannot focus enough to check their records; (2) right wing extremists and John McCain, who will say anything to get elected; (3) militarists from the woods, who sit there with their canned goods and rifles waiting for the rapture; (4) neocon thugs who bang on doors of voting polls to try to intimidate recounters; (by the way, voters - report immediately any neocon thug hanging around polls who may attempt to harrass, obstruct or intimidate voters, and while I'm at it, check your ballot before leaving the polls to ensure it is recorded correctly); or (5) old school EIsenhower and ROckefeller Republicans who just don't get how much their party has changed.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Under Bush-McCain, the government has grown 57%, nationalizing our way to Socialism faster than Lenin might have imagined.

The Federal Debt has grown 70%, to $9,600,000,000,000.00.

The interest on this debt in 2008 was $432,000,000,000.00. 19% of Federal Tax Revenue is spent on interest. On interest. Not on wars or education, or health. Nope. Interest.

Every American Household owes $450,000.00 on this debt.

George Bush's tax cuts have done wonders!

As in magic. Except magic isn't real.

Taxes? Bush's house of cards is falling. We'll either go bankrupt, or do the right thing. Pay our bills.

McCain is advocating financial suicide. We have a responsibility, it's time to buckle down and pay off the deficit, or head to the Third World faster than you can say.."Where'd all the investment banks go?"


When I was a Republican, pre-2003, we would not have tolerated someone who…

-Voted in lockstep with a President who took the Federal Debt from $5.7 Trillion to $9.5 trillion, in 8 years. (up 70%-darn liberals-$11 bill when you count the nationalization of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and AIG. Nationalized? Like France? But isn’t that socialism? Yup.

-Was in power while we racked up a debt that now consumes 19% of our tax revenues. We, the Suckers who Vote, paid $432,000,000,000.00 in interest this year Saudi Arabia ands China. . Socialism? Oh dear god yes. The government grew 57% under Bush, the Debt 70%. For what again? At least the French get some services.

-Says “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should,”

-Did not mention, not once, this extremely dangerous deficit in his Convention speech. What happened to Gramm-Rudman? Times have changed huh? The greatest threat to our nation did not get mentioned? Did the Wall Street Journal note as much? Did they notice who McCain’s economic advisor was? Gramm. The guy who made sure the credit crisis was invisible to the govt.)

Posted by: Rob L. | September 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain is running around claiming that he is "serving a cause greater than himself" and that the Democratic team is not. The willingness to pay taxes is merely putting your money where your mouth is. Without adequate taxes, how will Mr. McCain keep the Iraq war going "for as long as necessary"? How will he finance the tax cuts he wants to implement?

You cannot decry taxes, which go to fund projects for the common good, and simultaneously call to "serve a higher cause"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

gains Mr. McCain has made on personal leadership attributes. In the latest Washington Post/ABC poll, for example, he lengthened his lead on the question of who would be a better commander in chief (he's now ahead by 45 points). He is also seen as the stronger leader, and as the more honest and trustworthy candidate. Meanwhile, Mr. Obama saw his lead on who would "bring needed change" drop by 20 points.

The same survey found that 48% of Americans consider Mr. Obama unqualified for the presidency, virtually unchanged from 46% in March and June. When Fox News asked voters whom they would ask for advice for the toughest decision in their life, voters favored Mr. McCain by a 50% to 34% margin.

Other than on loony lib blogs like this, the voters are actually pretty sensible. After all they threw out Carter, and didn't elect gore or Kerry.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Back to the old false campaign trick again you old man. Talk issues correctly. He may have intoxicated sniffing behind Palin

Posted by: beevee | September 18, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Why did McCain pick Palin? Same reason he went after Cindy. He's likes what's under the skirt. Do you really think he cares if she's an empty head? HE'S an empty head. Cindy ought to be worried. Then again, she has all the money.

Posted by: CindyI'llDumpYouTooAsSoonAsIHaveSarah | September 18, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember George saying Home Ownership was at a all time high. Employment was on the rise. The stock markets were flurishing. Big Business was able to hire more employees because of his Tax cuts? He now wanted to privatise what we call Social Security, (because it was almost depleted with the Iraq War)
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Well things could be worse. You could be unemployed, in the street, with no healthcare, and no Social Security if we had done what John McCain wanted to do. Give the American people more latitude to do what they want with their own retirement money. The stocks may fall, the TBills pay no interest, but you will still get your Social Security.............Yesterday, hundreds lost Millions, some even Billions, but everyday, Millions lose everything. The Republican's and the President will bail out the biggies, but the little guy, who needs some more food stamps, or unemployment funds, totally against giving them any help without going through a Congressional approval.

Posted by: David | September 18, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Why all the fuss about McCain? He is only #2 on the ticket anyway.

In case you have never heard Sarah Palin refer to a "Palin-McCain administration," fasten your seatbelts. You are in for a treat.

I have the clip at:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-touts-palin-mccain-administration.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 18, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

How well spoken by the Party of the "READ MY LIPS---NO NEW TAXES" fame. HOW LOW CAN YOU GO McCANE in twisting the truth? Mr Keating-5? How braine- washed are the Amurican people? Anyone looking at the financial news these days? A direct result of mismanagement and "keep hands off the big boys" but let's privatize the profits and socialize the losses. The people of this country must be thoroughly brainwashed or really stupid.

Posted by: yard80197 | September 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The son of U.S. Rep. Allen Boyd is facing alien smuggling charges in Arizona.

The Democratic congressman, who is seeking a seventh term this November, said Tuesday that his 30-year-old son, John Boyd, was arrested Sunday on the human trafficking charges.

Liberal morality on display

Posted by: teach your children | September 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama has hordes of new government spending programs. He has not explained how he will pay for these programs, other than a fairly miniscule $50 billion hike on ordinary income for the top two tax brackets (assuming static work supply, which won't happen because high income households will defer compensation, work less, tax-avoid, etc.) It is ridiculous that McCain has been called dishonorable (a terrible insult to a former POW) for pointing out that an Obama administration may have a different tax policy than his policy pronouncements of the last month - such as his policy pronouncements in previous months and his Senate votes, for instance.

Posted by: Dellis | September 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

More lies from McCain and Palin's Circular Talk Express.

Four more years anyone?

Posted by: FrankD | September 18, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

So true, Mary.
As for neelynzus and anonymous, please keep posting as your ignorance will push any independents away from your party.

The Facts.......
Capital Gains Taxes- yes, Obama is going to increase this from 15% to 20%. It was 20% under Clinton and 28% under Bush Sr. Im sure the rich will survive it at 20% again.

Death Taxes- This doesnt affect anyone that is leaving less than 7 million dollars to their heirs. I think the Paris Hiltons of the world will survive.

Small business/corporate taxes- Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Not to mention all the "green" jobs that will be created under him.

Ever wonder why all the extremely rich tend to vote left? Because the average millionaire is self made and its the left that gave them the opportunity at the American Dream instead of trying to keep them poor. The rights obsession with making the rich richer and eliminating the middle class with their "trickle down policies" = major fail.

Posted by: Craig in Virginia | September 18, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

So true, Mary.
As for neelynzus and anonymous, please keep posting as your ignorance will push any independents away from your party.

The Facts.......
Capital Gains Taxes- yes, Obama is going to increase this from 15% to 20%. It was 20% under Clinton and 28% under Bush Sr. Im sure the rich will survive it at 20% again.

Death Taxes- This doesnt affect anyone that is leaving less than 7 million dollars to their heirs. I think the Paris Hiltons of the world will survive.

Small business/corporate taxes- Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Not to mention all the "green" jobs that will be created under him.

Ever wonder why all the extremely rich tend to vote left? Because the average millionaire is self made and its the left that gave them the opportunity at the American Dream instead of trying to keep them poor. The rights obsession with making the rich richer and eliminating the middle class with their "trickle down policies" = major fail.

Posted by: Craig in Virginia | September 18, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The topic of this forum, taxes, is getting lost in the mmud slinging by the McCain-Bush NeoMarxists. Their corporate and Wall Street bailouts used TAXPAYER money, close to one trollion dollars of taxpayer money. That taxpayer money went, as welfare, into the pockets of a few Wall Street cockroaches that outsource jobs, costs millions of people their homes, deny health care to about 1/3 of our citizens, undermined the national security of this country, and created the whole economic mess we see around us. The shere amount of that debt means that taxes will need to be raised somewhere. The McCain plan is for that to fall on the middle class. The Obama plan is for that to fall on large corporations (over half of which pay NO taxes), investors (ditto...only 2/3 of them pay no federal taxes), and the wealthy, who have made out like the banmdits they are under the Bush-McCain economic plan. What see see written here are desparate posts to change the subject by those very same vermin that have profited from the criminal syndicate that is the NeoMarxist-Republican philosophy (although, even their implementation of Marxism is perverted, it is actually closer to Leninism).

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 18, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain's campaign is surely running out of ideas and has to resort to the same old, same old. I do not believe it will work this time. I think Americans have heard all the old BS before and we will not be fooled again.

Posted by: Sandra S | September 18, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"McCain has devised a final solution to destroy middle class americans"

Which is, of course, 99.6% of the population.

Posted by: Xander | September 18, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Spot the senile old goober's disconnect:

1. McCain told the Wall Street Journal he still backs a system of private retirement accounts that he supported in 2000 and President Bush pushed unsuccessfully. The Journal reported he “disowned” details of a proposal on his 2008 campaign website that says he would “supplement” the existing Social Security system with personally managed accounts. But when asked about the position change he denied it and promised to change the website to reflect his true position. “I’m totally in favor of personal savings accounts… As part of Social Security reform, I believe that private savings accounts are a part of it — along the lines that President Bush proposed,” McCain told the Journal.[Wall Street Journal, 3/3/08]

2. McCain: “You, the American workers, are the best in the world. But your economic security has been put at risk by the greed of Wall Street." (New McSame commercial.)

Posted by: pali2500 | September 18, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Mccains friend Phil Gramm is the central figure in this financial collapse. He engineered the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that removed banking regulation in place since the Great Depression.
Saying that democrats will raise taxes is the only thing mccain has left.
If mccain becomes president he will put Dr. Phil in a position to wreak even more havoc.
Once I built a railroad; now it's done. Brother, can you spare a dime?

Posted by: seems to me | September 18, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"He has no credibility in his promises," insisted Holtz-Eakin.
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And this comes from a bone-head who claimed that McCain helped invent the blackberry.

Posted by: Thor | September 18, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

After seeing the two tax plans compared side-by-side it is quite clear that McCain has devised a final solution to destroy middle class americans: http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

Posted by: wrq7iop | September 18, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Two thoughts:

If you lost your job and you lost most of your retirement savings in the market debacle and you lost your home to foreclosure and you cant have a car because gas is too expensive, what is left to tax?

Anyone who has looked at the size of the government debt, especially now that we have bailed out so much of Wall Street, and doesnt think that taxes are going to be going up in the years ahead, is crazy.

Posted by: nclwtk | September 18, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I should point out the fallacy that "those who work hard" will get hit hardest. Some of the wealthiest inherited their money, some worked for it, others made piles of dough by abusing the now-collapsing financial system.
You want to claim that all of these are morally equivalent to the folks who earn $20k in the heartland and are struggling?
Be my guest... but don't expect the real middle class to be too sympathetic over the troubles of the rich.

Posted by: DB | September 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Goverment got bigger under Bush...and will stay that way under MCSAME. Wake up and smell the pig with lipstick on it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Reagan, Bush 1 and 2, were all “fiscal conservatives” and ran up massive debt. Clinton was a “tax and spend” liberal and we had a thriving economy and a surplus.

McCain is a “fiscal conservative” too.

If you look in history the economy always does better with a Dem in charge.

Don’t give the Republicans another 4 years to complete the destruction of this country!

Posted by: Michael | September 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It's not the democrats that are saying Palin isn't qualified. Look around at what Chuck Hagel,Mike Murphy... She's running for VP along with the oldest P candidate. That is frightening.


Why do Democrats say Palin is not qualified? She is far more qualified for President than Obama. And she's running for VP, not President.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:17 PM

Posted by: John | September 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I am a fiscal conservative. Raising the deficit, without taking actions to pay for it, is an irresponsible economic policy. President Reagan based his economic policy upon the Laffer Curve. We must give Reagan kudos, for when it started to fail, he reversed his policies. Perhaps President Bush was AWOL from his economics classes at Yale, and could not anticipate the current economic crisis. We cannot blame President Bush. He got into Yale based upon the fact that his father went there. We cannot blame McCain for his lack of understanding of the economy. He attended the Naval Academy at Annapolis, because his father and grandfather were Admirals in the United States Navy. Economic courses in Annapolis focus upon the budget process of the Federal Government, and how to procure funding for the military-industrial complex. It is not focused upon how the government is to pay for it.

Posted by: Larry Linn | September 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Why are the people who complain about taxes the same people who complain that our roads are bad, tranportation is bad, public schooling is bad, and there aren't enough cops on the street?


Taxes pay for things we all need. Wake up.

Posted by: 'Tax' Is Not A Bad Word | September 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to point out that deficit spending IS A TAX INCREASE! Just on future generations. Viewed in this light, the GOP raised taxes by about $4 trillion dollars during the 8 Bush years, compared to about $1 trillion during the 8 Clinton years.

Posted by: Carrie NY | September 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I find is laughable if not pathetic that McCain came out yesterday caling for more regulation of Wall-Street.


MCCAIN IS A LIAR!!!!


John McCain: The Deregulator:


I don’t think anyone who wants to increase the burden of government regulation and higher taxes has any real understanding of economics and the economy and what is needed in order to ensure the future of this country.”
– John McCain [McCain Town Hall in Inez, Kentucky, 4/23/08]


McCain Is An Avid Supporter Of Lax Rules For Financial Institutions
McCain Supported A Banking Bill Because It Eliminated “The Tremendous Regulatory Burden Imposed On Financial Institutions.” While speaking in favor of bank deregulation on the floor of the senate, John McCain said, “This legislation takes a small but important step toward eliminating the tremendous regulatory burden imposed on financial institutions… One principal reason banks are unable to make loans is the bewildering array of statutory and regulatory restrictions and paperwork requirements imposed by Congress and the regulatory agencies. While a case can certainly be made that every law and regulation is intended to serve a laudable purpose, the aggregate effect of the rapidly increasing regulatory burden imposed on banks is to cause them to devote substantial time, energy and money to compliance rather than meeting the credit needs of the community.” [Congressional Record, 11/19/93; emphasis added]


McCain Supported A Bill To “Takes A Small Step Forward Toward Eliminating Unnecessary Regulatory Burdens Imposed On Banks.” While speaking in favor of bank deregulation on the floor of the senate, John McCain said, “While a case can certainly be made that every law and regulation is intended to serve a laudable purpose, the aggregate effect of the rapidly increasing regulatory burden imposed on banks is to cause them to devote substantial time, energy and money to compliance rather than meeting the credit needs of the community … This bill recognizes this fact, and takes a small step forward toward eliminating unnecessary regulatory burdens imposed on banks.” [Congressional Record, 11/19/93; emphasis added]


McCain Said The Best Thing Government Can Do For Business Is “Stay Out Of Its Way.” While speaking about the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act on the floor on the Senate in 2000, John McCain said, “I am convinced that the best thing government can often do to advance the fortunes of the private sector is to stay out of its way. I support this bill because it makes progress toward that end, by improving companies’ flexibility to hire the talent they need, while providing for the regulatory framework and new educational opportunities to protect and promote American workers.” [Congressional Record, 10/3/00; emphasis added]


In 1999, McCain Supported Phil Gramm’s Banking Deregulation Bill. In 1999, John McCain voted for passage of the Senate version of a bill that would eliminate current barriers erected by the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act and other laws that impede affiliations between banking, securities, insurance and other firms. The bill also would exempt small, non-urban banks from the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), revise the Federal Home Loan Bank system and require that owners of automated teller machines (ATMs) provide notice on the ATM and on-screen of any charges imposed for the use of the terminal. The bill passed 54-44. [S. 900, Vote #105, 5/6/99]


McCain Missed The Vote For Final Passage Because He Was Campaigning In New Hampshire. John McCain missed the final vote on Phil Gramm’s banking deregulation bill because he was campaigning in New Hampshire. [NPR, “Morning Edition,” 11/5/99; S. 900, Vote #354, 11/4/99]


McCain Has Based His 2008 Campaign On Promoting Less Regulation:

McCain: “I Don’t Think Anyone Who Wants To Increase The Burden Of Government Regulation And Higher Taxes Has Any Real Understanding Of Economics.” During a McCain Town Hall in Inez, Kentucky, John McCain said, “When we come out of this recession and we will because I believe that the fundamentals of our economy are good … Sen. Clinton wants the government to make the decisions for you on your health care, I want the families to make the decisions on their health care. I don’t think anyone who wants to increase the burden of government regulation and higher taxes has any real understanding of economics and the economy and what is needed in order to ensure the future of this country.” [McCain Town Hall in Inez, Kentucky, 4/23/08; emphasis added]


McCain: “I Understand Why The AFL-CIO And Maybe Other Unions May Oppose My Free Market, Less Regulation, Right To Work.” During an appearance on Fox’s “Special Report with Brit Hume,” John McCain said, “I understand why the AFL-CIO and maybe other unions may oppose my free market less regulation right to work. I think we have honest differences of opinion. I respect those labor unions, but I’m sure that those differences are very intense and very real.” [Fox News,” Special Report with Brit Hume,” 3/12/08]


McCain: “Let’s Reduce Regulation.” While speaking about the economy in St. Louis, Missouri, John McCain said, “I’m asked all the time are we in a recession or not in a recession. And I don’t know the answer to that because it’s kind of a technical term… I do not believe we should raise your taxes. I think it would be the worst thing we could do. And that means to me I think the tax cuts need to be made permanent. When you’ve got a bad economy, the worst thing you can do is increase people’s tax burden. Let’s reduce it. Let’s reduce regulation.” [CNN, “Ballot Bowl, 3/15/08]


McCain: “We Need To Return To The Reagan Years… We Need Less Regulation.” As shown on PBS’s “Washington Week,” John McCain said, “We need to return to the Reagan years. We need to have fiscal conservatism. We need less government. We need less regulation. We need to end of spending spree which has eroded our base of Republican support.” [PBS, “Washington Week,” 1/25/08]


McCain Promised To “Give Them Lower Taxes, Less Regulation, Less Government In Their Lives.” As shown on CNN’s “CNN Newsroom,” John McCain said, “We’ve got to do the other things necessary to encourage business and give them lower taxes, less regulation, less government in their lives, and that means a simpler, fairer — tax code. The tax code in America is broken and it needs to be fixed.” [CNN, “CNN Newsroom,” 2/14/08]


To Fix the Economy, McCain Would “We’ve Got To Take Specific Actions, Keep Their Taxes Low, Less Regulation.” As shown on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” John McCain said, “That our economy is in terrible shape, that we’ve got to take specific actions, keep their taxes low, less regulation, get - start exploring and exploiting offshore oil deposits.” [ABC, “Good Morning America,” 7/2/08]


McCain Said The Difference Between Obama & Himself Would Be “More Regulation Or Less Regulation.” During a media availability in Phoenix, Arizona, John McCain said, “I think the important thing is that there will be stark differences between either Senator [Clinton] or Senator Obama and me because they are liberal Democrats and I’m a conservative Republican… whether we pursue the present strategy in Iraq or whether we — or whether we set a date for withdrawal, which will mean Al Qaida wins; whether we have more regulation or less regulation.” [McCain Media Availability via CQ Transcriptions, 3/3/08; emphasis added]


McCain: “Less Government, Lower Taxes, Less Regulation, Safer America Is What I Can Give America.” During an appearance on CBS’s “60 Minutes,” John McCain said, “I can make a case that a less government, lower taxes, less regulation, safer America is what I can give America. But I don’t underestimate the size of the challenge.” [CBS, “60 Minutes,” 3/9/08]


McCain Is Long-Time Supporter Of Deregulation
McCain: “I Am A Deregulator. I Believe In Deregulation.” While speaking about the cable and satellite television during an appearance on CNN’s “On the Money,” John McCain said, “I am a deregulator. I believe in deregulation.” [CNN, “In the Money,” 7/13/03]


McCain: “The Basic Core Principles Of The Republican Party… Less Government Is Best Government, Less Regulation.” When asked how the Republican Party can recover after the losses in the 2006 election, John McCain said, “By returning to the basic core principles of the Republican Party, very careful stewardship of tax dollars, less government is best government, less regulation, lower taxes, strong national defense, community and family values.” [CNN, “CNN Newsroom,” 11/8/06]


McCain: “I Have A Long Voting Record In Support Of Deregulation.” The St. Petersburg Times quoted McCain at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing as having said, “I have a long voting record in support of deregulation.” [St. Petersburg Times, 6/5/03]


McCain: “I Continue To Believe In A Strong National Defense, Free Trade, Deregulation.” During an appearance on CNN’s “Wolf Blitzer Reports,” John McCain said, “I continue to believe in a strong national defense, free trade, deregulation. I’m pro-life. There are many, many issues that I feel would make it very difficult for Democrats to embrace me.” [CNN, “Wolf Blitzer Reports,” 5/8/02; emphasis added]


McCain: “Keep The Regulation Of The Government As Much As Possible Out Of People’s Lives.” During an appearance on PBS’s “NewsHour with Jim Lehrer,” John McCain said, “If you inspect my 17-year voting record, it’s a proud conservative Republican who acts on principles and one who obviously has a very strong commitment to the leadership role the United States has to play… I think that’s probably one of our first efforts - keep the regulation of the government as much as possible out of people’s lives.” [PBS, “NewHour with Jim Lehrer,” 2/2/00]


McCain: “I Believe In Smaller Government… Less Regulation.” During an interview on PBS’s “NewsHour with Jim Lehrer,” John McCain said, “, I would argue that I have 17 years of legislative experience with a clear voting record of a strong conservative. I believe in smaller government, stronger defense, lower taxes, less regulation, encouragement of entrepreneurship, encouragement of legal immigration. I think that my fundamental philosophies and beliefs are very clear, and I’ve articulated them for years and years. And most importantly, I voted on them.” [PBS, “NewsHour with Jim Lehrer,” 10/15/99]


McCain: “I’ve Been A Good Party Member. I Agree On Most Issues, Fundamentals Of Lower Taxes, Less Regulation.” During an appearance on CNN’s “Crossfire,” John McCain said, “I’ve been a good party member. I agree on most issues, fundamentals of lower taxes, less regulation, smaller government, coherent foreign policy, strong national defense.” [CNN, “Crossfire,” 9/13/99]


McCain Supports Deregulation Whenever Possible. The Journal of Commerce reported, “A McCain aide notes in the past he has supported deregulation of other industries. ‘Any time you can responsibly deregulate, Sen. McCain wants to deregulate,’ the aide said.” [Journal of Commerce, 1/6/97]

Posted by: JennyinOhio | September 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I am a fiscal conservative. Raising the deficit, without taking actions to pay for it, is an irresponsible economic policy. President Reagan based his economic policy upon the Laffer Curve. We must give Reagan kudos, for when it started to fail, he reversed his policies. Perhaps President Bush was AWOL from his economics classes at Yale, and could not anticipate the current economic crisis. We cannot blame President Bush. He got into Yale based upon the fact that his father went there. We cannot blame McCain for his lack of understanding of the economy. He attended the Naval Academy at Annapolis, because his father and grandfather were Admirals in the United States Navy. Economic courses in Annapolis focus upon the budget process of the Federal Government, and how to procure funding for the military-industrial complex. It is not focused upon how the government is to pay for it.

Posted by: Larry Linn | September 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

and it looks like the momentary pleasure Americans get from seeing a nice rack is wearing off. Voters are realizing that the women is a joke.

Posted by: Sarah Palin is Harriett Miers with a nice rack | September 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Kathy said: I guess his policy is to reward those who fail to work hard to take care of themselves and their families by taking from those who have the initiative to do so. Those working longer than 40 hrs. a week -- many of us average Joe's in the professional arena (teachers, nurses, middle management) will be the ones forking over large portions of our checks for those entitlement programs. Once again, those that are truly wealthy will have their accountants creatively hiding assets.
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A truly vapid and superficial view, Kathy.
Obama's tax plan will lower taxes for more than 90% of those paying taxes. It will restore pre-Bush tax rates on those making more than $250,000 per couple or $200,000 per individual.
If you aren't wealthy, you'll benefit.
If you are wealthy, you can afford it, after gaining so much loot during the Bush years. (Remember, W was your friend.)
Either way, McCain is resorting to the cheap lies Republicans always told about Democrats. It's especially rich, coming after years of borrow-and-spend big government courtesy of W.
As usual, the Democrats will have to clean up the mess the Republicans made. Maybe this time, we'll put the burden back where it belongs: on the wealthy who benefited from Bush's reckless, irresponsible mismanagement of the economy.

Posted by: DB | September 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Anonumous wrote:
"Why do Democrats say Palin is not qualified? She is far more qualified for President than Obama. And she's running for VP, not President."


The idea of "leadership" must be
broadened from mere "experience" to include knowledge, learnedness and
insight.

Let's look at the educational background of your two options:

Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in
international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

& Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 of 899

& Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire ?

And as far as Palin, why don't you just pick Betty Crocker? I'm sure with the right spin she'd make and excellent VP!


Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

BOSTON, Oct. 13, 1999 (Reuters)-

"The mortgage industry intends to pursue minorities with greater intensity as federal regulators turn up the heat to increase home ownership in underserved groups.

`We need to push into these underserved markets as much as we can,' said David Glenn, president and chief operating officer of Freddie Mac. Glenn made his remarks at the annual convention of the U.S. Mortgage Banker Association of America (MBA) this week.

In September, Freddie Mac launched a new lending program, based on research done in collaboration with five black colleges, to bring more African-Americans into the market.

The call for greater efforts to broaden minority home ownership comes at a time when interest rates are pinching mortgages. A record $1.5 trillion mortgages were granted in 1998 in a refinancing boom fueled by the lowest interest rates in nearly three decades.

The federal government in the meantime has increased pressure on lenders to seek out minorities, as well as low-income groups and borrowers with poor credit histories.

Fannie Mae recently reached an agreement with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to commit half its business to low-and moderate-income borrowers. That means half the mortgages bought by Fannie Mae would be from those income brackets."

Freddie Mac is the tragic story about self destruction liberalism of the poor. Freddie Mac losses were well expected since 1996 when Bill Clinton changed the Community Act so that the poor will be get loans and mortgages on the back of the American taxpayer without any chance of paying them back.

Posted by: tdl62 | September 18, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

When Senator Obama goes on with his litany of lobbyists in the McCain campaign, he fails to mention that he is closely associated with one of the worst: James Johnson, the former Fannie Mae CEO, the guy he selected to oversee his vice presidential vetting process. What hypocrisy! Fannie Mae is the entity blamed for the current world financial crisis. And to make things worse, he got hundreds of thousands in contributions from the failed institution.

The audacity of cynicism!

http://mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com

Posted by: DCfred | September 18, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

A little help in this 5% / 95% thing.

the 5% whole own 95% of all wealth pay little in taxes (a fact), and own $31.6 trillion in assets.

the 95% of the population that pays most all of the taxes in the US owns only 5%, about about $2 trillion (homes, investments, etc.)

So why do the people who own $31 trillion pay so little...they buy politicans.

Hello, Mr. Reagan, Mr. Bush, Mr Clinton, McCain, Obama.


What is fair, economically speaking, about 95% of taxes being paid by the people who only have $2 trillion? and only 5% of the taxes paid by people holding (hording) $31 trillion?

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I found an article that lays out how Obama's and McCain's tax plans will effect everyone. My taxes would be several times higher under tax-and-rob the middle class McCain's plan. McCain's tax plan reflects the same greed we are seeing on Wall St. right now. McCain's tax plan is nothing but a final solution to finish off the middle class in this country: http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

Posted by: wrq7iop | September 18, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

We've had nearly eight years of income tax cuts and stock dividend tax cuts and yet the unemploymet rate is at 6.1 % (it was 4.2 when Bush took office) the housing market has experienced a serious slow down, foreclosures are rampant and wall street firms that gambled in the subprime markets and in other risky arenas are either going bankrupt, being bought up or bailed out.

Oh, and there's that small item of the Iraqi war that costs us 10 billion dollars a month, all of it borrowed. Our national debt has nearly doubled since 2001 and the budget deficit is 400 plus billion dollars.

What's McCain's plan ?

Continue borrowing the hundreds of billions of dollars necessary to keep the house of cards standing for four more years.

Funny, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. Said they would explode the deficit and that they inordiantely favored the wealthiest Americans.

He was so right then, but he's so wrong now !

Posted by: MA | September 18, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This two minute commercial for "why I'm voting Republican" sums it up perfectly. Hilarious and a must see! http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/

Posted by: whyi'mvotingrepublican | September 18, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

GOVERNMENT TARGETING OF U.S. CITIZENS:
A ROOT CAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

Posted by: scrivener | September 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Here we are in some of the most dire economic times in recent history and what does McCain do about it?....HE LIES!!


Americans...just ask yourself this: Was the GOP screaming for the taxpayers to buy out AIG, Merrill Lynch, Fannie Mae, Lehman Bros. & Freddie Mac when wealthy GOP owners were making obscene profits?...NO.


Then WHY should the taxpayers buy/bail them out NOW?


That's called PRIVATIZING PROFITS AND SOCIALIZING LOSSES.


The GOP SCREAMS for less regulation and the "free market"...where has it gotten us?


THE WEALTHY GOP IS SCREWING US TAXPAYERS!

GOP = Greed Over People

....We deserve straight-talk but all we're getting from John McBush is....MORE LIES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Posted by: Kimi Welsh | September 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Laughable. My taxes have SKYROCKETED under Reagan/Bush/Bush -- they just haven't sent me the bill yet. The first two thousand dollars I send to Uncle Sam next year will do nothing but pay INTEREST on the debts run up by Reagan, Bush and Bush.

I'm done voting for Republicans until they decide that deficits actually do matter.

Posted by: Deficits Dont Matter | September 18, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me TIM591

I know a lot,,, a real .. lot of small businessmen and women.. and few make that kind of money.

Sorry, but the truth is radically different.

Cut taxes for all to 20% for the first $1,000,000, but then raise it to 50% on every dollar over 1,000,000; also remove all deductions so all pay according to the above. That will fix it. Get rid of all the accounting mess that no one can understand anymore.

Corporations also pay - but only pay - a flat 20% with no allowable deductions.

This only takes rocket science if you a politician (in which case you're not a rocket scientist.)

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"9/11"

Vote republican! 9/11, 9/11, McCain, 9/11, Palin, 9/11.

Housing crisis? 9/11.

Oh, did I mention--Republican? 9/11? 9/11!

Posted by: giuliani | September 18, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

A couple observations.

I do hope that Governor Palin has been trained in CPR even though I do think she would just stand there with a glassy eyed smile and experience... well.. a magic moment.

The polls say many things but I know a lot of people who have never heard of anyone being polled.

Times have changed and Blogs are becoming as vital to an informed public as the media was long long long ago.

A better MSM would be one where every story could be commented on, rather than selected ones.

Posted by: J. Woode | September 18, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind McCain wanted to turn Social Security over to the people who have engineered this economic crisis. If Obama brings up that line of attack there's no way McPalin will survive

Posted by: corinthian | September 18, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone out there think Palin is in for the long haul, or maybe just the opening performance to stur the excitement before the real nominee is named during the last week of the election, after all the committments have been made to the party?

Posted by: David | September 18, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Hello KATHY -

Read your quote again - "Those working longer than 40 hrs. a week -- many of us average Joe's in the professional arena (teachers, nurses, middle management) will be the ones forking over large portions of our checks for those entitlement programs."

And then tell me where I can get a job teaching that will pay me a gross ADJUSTED income of over $250,000. I can use a gig with a three month vacation.

Get real Kathy - your taxes will go DOWN not up. one Person paying 5% more taxes on a MILLION DOLLARS in income will get hit for 50,000 and pay for a new teacher in my school distict. Granted they may have to mow thier own lawn or give up a golf membership to make due... but I think that is fair.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Results matter.

McCain and Palin have shown they are not up to the economics of being President and VP, especially in continuing the failed policies of the GOP that created this crisis and their Above The Law actions in ignoring legal subpoenas to testify.

America can't afford four more years of failure under the Bush/McCain 08 banner.

Period.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | September 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

In McCain's bizarro world, Phil Gramm remains a trusted economic advisor and close personal friend. John McCain is entitled to choose his friends as he see fit. But politically, given Gramm's indisputable role in the unfolding economic meltdown, if McCain is serious about regaining any credibility at all, he must jettison the failed conservative ideology that landed us in this mess. McCain could at least start by immediately and publicly disavowing the corrupt influence of Phil Gramm.


Here's some straight-talk, my friends:
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHsuL6FfY4
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Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 18, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 18, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I did go back and read Obama's plan for buisnesses and poverty. Now I'm more frightened than ever. He proposes to cut taxes altogether for 17 million of those who actually have income taxes. We have a population of ~304,000,000. Approximately 1/3 of that number are either 0-14yrs. or 65 years and over. We currently have an unemployment rate of roughly 6% -- that further reduces our workforce from 304,000,000 to 191,913,293. Then you need to take out the approximately 79,000 adults (16 yrs. and over) who don't want to work, which gives you 191,834,293 workers in the American workforce, paying income taxes. Now part of Obama's Marxist plan is to remove all income taxes from 17 million of those working.

On top of that he has plans to increase the number of entitlement programs (adding to already existing programs and creating new ones --- more big government bureacracy) by BILLIONS.

I guess his policy is to reward those who fail to work hard to take care of themselves and their families by taking from those who have the initiative to do so. Those working longer than 40 hrs. a week -- many of us average Joe's in the professional arena (teachers, nurses, middle management) will be the ones forking over large portions of our checks for those entitlement programs. Once again, those that are truly wealthy will have their accountants creatively hiding assets.

If the "poor" (FEW Americans are truly poor -- look at third world countries to see poor) don't like their situation, they should get rid of the cable, cigarettes, drugs, alcohol and fast food, get a job (or two or three)and stop living beyond their means. Too many in our great country have lost the self-starting initiative and fortitude that built our country. It's much easier to sit back, whine and complain that the gov't isn't taking care of their candy...

I agree everyone should read Obama's economic plans and should ask themselves where he plans to get the money to enact all of his plans. Contrary to what some people think, just printing more money at the BEP won't work. Mathematically just increasing the taxes on the top 5% of the wealthiest will not work. As so many of the Hollywood crowd think Obama is the next coming, and they are sure to be in the top 5%, why don't they go ahead and start forking over large sums of cash to the gov't?

Posted by: Kathy | September 18, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Of course, McCain's big tax lie is about who's taxes will go up. Lying through his teeth, he keeps saying Obama would raise income and payroll taxes on upper-middle and middle class families, even though Obama couldn't be clearer or more straight forward about what he wants to do. He wants the republican "temporary" tax decrease for the very wealthy to be just what they said it would be: temporary.

Biden is absolutely correct to say that the patriotic thing for the very wealthy to do is to pay taxes in proportion to their blessings and in support of the country that created their wealth to begin with. The republicans started a very, very expensive war, and have only asked the middle class and the poor to pay for it. At the same time they started the war, they actually told the very wealthy they needed to pay less -- that as the national debt mounted and mounted, they should feel good about keeping all of their hoardings and giving less and less back to the infrastructure of the country that made it possible for them to be wealthy in the first place.

So, they kept their money, invested it in overseas endeavors, invested it in highly questionable market schemes, and invested it in political maneuverings aimed at shoring up their own power for generations to come.

The result is what we see right now -- collapsing economy, collapsing roads and bridges, reductions in American jobs, and skyrocketing national debt and trade imbalances. It's time for them to step up and be Americans first, and rich folks second. They need to pay the taxes they were paying, at minimum, while the economy soared during the Clinton administration, and before the republicans lied their way into a "temporary" reduction in their taxes, that they never at all really intended to be temporary.

Posted by: here'smudinyoureye | September 18, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

How quickly we forget: 5,000 dead boys for no good reason. McCain will see George 5,000 and raise him a couple thousand. We are winning absolutey fuucking nothing in Iraq. Maybe we'll oust the Al-queda people who WE BROUGHT IN! Big fuucking deal. Right back where we started from. Boy, Bush & McPalin's surge sure succeeded!

Posted by: Innocent blood on their hands | September 18, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Penn. Paul:

I am not a tax and spend liberal and I am not a Democrat. I am an Independent.

Why do you people CARE what I am. This is a political blog… not a personality contest. How do you know WHAT I am? You don’t even know me. Why don’t you just stick to the issues like John McCain….
uh… does? NOT.

Posted by: Jersey John | September 18, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

STOP SAYING THE WORD SOCIALIST UNTIL YOU'VE DONE THOROUGH RESEARCH ON WHAT SOCIALISM IS.

MOST OF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, YOU'RE JUST REPEATING WHAT YOU HEARD SOME OTHER ***HOLE SAY ON TELEVISION OR AT THE OFFICE.

That goes for both Repubs and Dems, but especially Repubs, who keep calling Dems "socialists", which means they either A) don't understand what socialism is, B)don't understand Dems' policies, or C) don't care about either and just want to smear people.

Posted by: Emily | September 18, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

If you looked at the tax brackets before Bush, you would realize that during his time they were slashed for the highest earning brackets. Obama is going to up the taxes for the top 5% again.

In my opinion we need to be back to the 1993 levels. I don't need or want a tax cut, and I don't see how any of you do. We are in the biggest deficit ever thanks to Bush. Before him we were actually paying the deficit off. In fact I think he set the record for wasted money while in office. More military was his answer with cuts to healthcare, education, and other needed programs. Whoever voted Bush in for the 2nd term should shoot themselves in the foot.

McCain wants to help the wealthy and Obama wants to help the middle to less wealthy.

If you want more of the same, go McCain.
If you want to take a chance on change, go Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

MORE RELEASED ABOUT SARAH PALINS AFFAIR TODAY http://www.hotpres.com

EVEN MORE HAS COME OUT ABOUT TROOPER GATE
http://www.veeppeek.com

FIND OUT WHAT RON PAUL HAS SAID ABOUT SARAH PALIN.
http://www.BarrPaul08.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Hello Neo Conservatives... small business taxes are paid on PROFITS not INCOME - money reinvested into a company is called either capital improvements or business expenses and are DEDUCTABLE. I POUR my money into my business because it is the best investment I can make. Investing in MY future. Why would I cut my own growth to save a few bucks in taxes... my accountant says you should have worse problems than having to pay taxes on your growing profits.

Posted by: NYTC | September 18, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

There have been lots of explanations given for why people would vote Republican this year (ideology, religion, etc.). But the only rational explanation is that these people are fuucking stupid. Only a stupid person would vote for McCain/Palin if they weren't rich.

Posted by: TooObvious | September 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

basementfrog - Not crazy, but flat out FURIOUS at you NeoMarists. I come from a Republican family. They were Reagan conservatives, genuine conservatives. My two sons served in Iraq. Both were wounded in combat operations. None of us, not one of us, recognizes the Republican Party of today. The Party of Reagan has been taken over by a bunch of NeoMarxist, big spending, Wall Street, made in China flag waving pseudo patriots and cowards. You people have no more right to be in this country than any illegal immigrant. Less actually, becasue they. for the most part, are honest and hard working, while all you vermin are is a collection of liars, cheat, thugs, crooks, parasites, vermin, human cockroaches, low life scum, that needs to be wiped from the face of the earth.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, I said it earlier in the week, and I'll say it again.

McCain is going back to the well yet again. Attacked the media, then Hollywood, now it's the tax fallacy. He's morphing his campaign into Bush '04 right before our eyes.

His people see the slide in the polls. I wonder if his internal polling is as dismal, or is it worse?

If he doesn't come up with something, some kind of new, strong message that can cut into the well-disciplined, highly effective Obama-Biden economic message before the end of the week, he's headed into the first debate (which centers on domestic policy only) with an 0-2 count.

Posted by: JamesCH | September 18, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"3)Who voted with the the hated incumbent 90% of the time ?"

Just for clarification... this statement was taking out of context and put on one of Obama's ads. McCain said this when talking about a 1 year period of Bush's 8 year term. That's not 90% for the whole term which is a BIG difference.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The jig is up. We let an imbecile into the white house for 8 years. We now know that, even if someone seems like a likeable "guy or gal," if they are not very intelligent they can't govern well. Such is the case with McCain (almost at the bottom of his Annapolis class), and Palin (obviously stupid, and jumping schools until she finally found one she could get through). If we elect to have unintelligent people "lead" us, this country will continue to decline and things will get even worse than they are now.

Posted by: DumbJohn&DumberSarah | September 18, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama knows nothing but voodoo economics; Tax those earning $ 250,000 or more. Is he dumb? Does'nt he realize that most people in this bracket are small businessmen? What do you think these businessmen will do if you burden them with increase taxes? prevent expansion that generates employment. Worse, they may even close shop or lay-off employees if their margin of profit becomes negligible and not commensurate to their efforts.

Yes, the economy now is not good, but if you elect Obama it will surely get worse.

Posted by: tim591 | September 18, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I am a TAX AND SPEND LIBERAL - I pay my taxes and the Republicans spend them liberally.

It is remarkable to me that John McCain nd Sarah Palin rail against "earmarks" when Arizona and Alaska each contribute among the least amount of tax revenue to the federal government per capita and Alaska specifically gets the most support per capital of any state in the union.

In effect ALASKA and ARIZONA are WELFARE STATE - benefitting directly from the largess of the Feds. Go beyond that - and i challenge anyone with better information to investigate this... look a the map of "red" states and compare it to the map of the NET flow of federal funds vs. taxes paid. They seem to line up pretty closely. California, NY, NJ, Connecticutt, Illinois, Delaware - all solid BLUE states pay the MOST taxes. If anyone has a right to relief it is the BLUE STATES - yet it is the RED States - the far greater beneficiaries of federal spending, that cry out for tax relief.

Let John McCain cut my taxes (Yes I fall into the 5% of the country making over $250,000) but let him also cut off the welfare payments to Arizona, Alaska and the rest of the REDS.

Posted by: NJTC | September 18, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

scary

I agree. Our system is a mess, if it exists at all.

But having had the experience of living for 8 years in a country that offered a national system for all, I can tell you we are really behind the times and its time Amercia caught up with the rest of the world.

A national healthcare system is possible and necessary for two reasons: (1) the cost of medical care is hurting our business and government and, more importantly, (2) it is denying medical coverage to our citizens when they really need it and bankrupting everone (senior or otherwise) in the process.

My wife and I pay $2200 per month and Blue Shield refused to let her get an MRI. She went back to her country and had the MRI "free" and as it turns out, she has a tumor on the brain. She is returning with the photos this Saturday so we can take the to our doctor (who suggested she go home for the MRI).

If we would have had the MRI and paid for it ourselves, $10,000!! OUCh, and I pay $2200 per month for that?

And yes, I am getting less compassionate in my old age, expecially for idiots.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Laquashatie has one of those TV sets that converts all the names to the opposite party's candidates. Either that or Laquashatie is a complete idiot.

Posted by: We'llSquashatieYou | September 18, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

To basementfrog:

You have it mostly right, except giving government more control. Name me one program the government has NOT screwed up - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, even our tax system is so complex that it takes 100's of pages in rules (which grows each year, by the way). A Government in control has no incentive to do a good job at anything because they have no competition and no one person to answer to. Absolute control corrupts absolutely.

If you want to live in a Socialist state - move the hel* out of my country.

Posted by: To basement frog | September 18, 2008 12:36 PM

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So I suppose Facism is better Musolini? Look the government bailed out 3 HUGE firms with OUR money - yours and mine - because of limited regulation. I personally think the companies should have suffered and burned. Then on top of it your conservative evangelistic CEO cronies are receiving millions of dollars as they get fired with OUR MONEY. I'm sure you voted for Bush and guess what? Because of your vote we are getting what we deserved. And you better believe we didn't bail out those companies to help the Americans, we did it to the true shareholders - the Chinese, the Japanese and the Saudis. If we had let their investments tank they would have pulled the cash out other American institutions. If that was to happen I can gaurentee you that your going straight to the government to see what they are going to do.

Posted by: rottnkid | September 18, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, how have Republicans let their party be hijacked by Neo-cons? The Realism the Republican party espoused in politics has been superceded by what can only be called insanity. All we see today is an empty shell of former Republican glory...

Who has benefitted from the recent Republican policies? Either the policies were intended to cater to those who benefitted, or you must admit that they were utterly misguided and have failed.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, it is interesting that this is where the McCain/Bush/Cheney Republicans fall back to. I knew it would happen, but I thought this would come out in full force in a couple of weeks.

This is the McCain/Bush last hand in the open forum (vs. dirty tricks). And that says something because the other approaches aren't working so well.

Taxes is the old appeal of the Republicans when they don't have anything else. And since McCain and team have been feeding the public lies for quite some time here, I'll be interested in seeing how the Obama/Biden team responds to get the word out (90% of the population will have no taxes). The McCain team should keep in mind their candidates support of the Bush/Cheney Republicans over the last 8 yrs-It will be repackaged and delivered in a way that will resonate and be very ugly.

Posted by: lucy2008 | September 18, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Why do Democrats say Palin is not qualified? She is far more qualified for President than Obama. And she's running for VP, not President.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a two-bit liar. He's the most dishonorable man I've ever seen. More so than Bush

Posted by: Len | September 18, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday McCain said he'll appoint a commission to look into this mess. YOU WILL NEVER HEAR HIM SAY THAT AGAIN. I guarantee it. Even his own idiot campaign managers know better, and they took him to the woodshed and beat the sh_t out of him and said "don't ever say anything that stupid again." I will pay you $1,000 if McCain ever again says he wants that commission. He's an idiot who says whatever seems expedient at the time. As soon as it's obvious he's said something dumb (typically, immediately upon closing his mouth), he claims not to have said it, to have meant something else, etc. McCain is the UNoriginal UNmaverick. He's a pathetic old man and not someone to whom serious matters can any longer be entrusted. Yes, he was a POW. I'm grateful for that. But that's all.

Posted by: Former Marine Captain | September 18, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

This year's polling is truly a mystery. How in the world can a nation that views Republican ability with such contempt be willing to consider a Republican that 1) Is not terribly exciting or prescient 2)The oldest person to make the run and 3)Who voted with the the hated incumbent 90% of the time ?

Contrast those three points to Obama, and you have a man who is1) Charismatic, brilliant, highly educated 2)In the very prime of life, and 3) Bubbling over with an eloquent passion for correcting the direction of our government, and returning our nation to a position of world respect.


Posted by: Jerry Ulibarri | September 18, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

*** Congressional Dems Loose Demolition Derby ***
Can't some of you people see that it's been the in-control, partisan, "do nothing" congressional democrats that have been on a 2 year demolition derby with our economy? Crunch, crunch and more economic crunch.

Posted by: mr_wizard | September 18, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Golly Gee, Lauquashatie,

What profound insights you bring to the table. How long did it take you to come up with that catchy post?

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

basementfrog

I feel bad for the people you are taking care of. What you clearly lack in compassion, you make up in self-rightous behavior.

Our health care system is clearly deteriorated to alarming levels.

Posted by: scary | September 18, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Laquashatie,
It would do you some good to do a little research rather than believing the campaign rhetoric.

Posted by: John | September 18, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Question:

How will McCain keep taxes low if he has to fund the war with our apparently new enemy, Spain?

Posted by: Clothilde | September 18, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Craig
"How is it that all the blame for the shape our country is in is on the republician administation. Where has our great democratic Congress been these last (2) years. apparently they have had a good & long Vacation on our tax money."

Ummm, try that the GOP blocks everything.
The hypocrites they are, whined about threats of filibusters, while they were in the majority... but, since the Dems took over, they're filibustering everything.

Read about it (unfortunately, the Media ignores this issue, so here's a blog post): http://commonsense-gater.blogspot.com/2008/07/republicans-set-new-record-for-blocking.html

The ignorance, & lack of curiosity, of the GOP cultists, is phenomenal. You guys just hear something from one of your *leaders,* and just parrot it... without ever looking into its veracity.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama's tax strategy is sound, and not in line with the typical, tired liberal tax philosophy. I can live with it, in other words. I've voted Republican since 1980. State, local, and national. But there is no way I can support someone stupid enough to use, and then get caught, breaking the law with an easily hacked Yahoo email account:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/17/AR2008091703304.html?hpid=topnews

The VP, who can become the P in a heartbeat, should not be the primary security threat our nation faces.

Posted by: Reagan4Life | September 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Pork is only 15% of the defecit? I beg to differ. I depends on your defenition of pork. I believe the whole Iraq war was pork. Pork for military contractors and oil companies with their no-bid contracts. Remember those for Haliburton and Exxon just to name 2?

You have to remember the Republican defenition of pork which is, any money for a public works program in a blue state. As we see with Palin, money for a red state can't be pork.

Posted by: Pete | September 18, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

--All Republicans have been conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to respond on cue to the words "tax," "gay," "abortion," etc. It gets a pre-cognitive reaction out of them, and he certainly doesn't want them cogitating right now, not if he wants to get elected. He must stop thought in it's tracks if he's to have any hope--

I guess a republican wrote this, because only republicans think this way.

Posted by: Yesterday | September 18, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Why is Obama always lying to the American people? All his television ads are flat out lies. Everything Michelle says is a lie.

Posted by: Laquashatie | September 18, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I strongly encourage to become informed and learn the facts! It's a fact that Obama has only proposed a tax increase for the individuals making over $250,000. According to US Census Bureau 2006 Income Statistics ONLY 1.5% of households in America make over $250,000 annualy.

So the facts is 98.5% of American would NOT get a tax increase on the Obama Proposal.

At the 9/11/08 Orange County Employee Benefits Council meeting Dr. Esmuel Adidi, an Economic Professor and advisor to California's Governor, confirmed that Obama's proposed plans makes more sense and would be the most effective solution. He indicated that McCain will not be able to deliver on his promises to lower taxes as the US Economy cannot sustain tax cuts.

Our country is in a horrible economic crisis, please check the facts. We cannot afford to be mislead again.

Posted by: GBH in California | September 18, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27

you sound crazy. I help some really deranged homeless people with a better grasp on reality that you seem to possess.
How did you get a computer? Do they provide them in your institution?

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Of course he is. All Republicans have been conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to respond on cue to the words "tax," "gay," "abortion," etc. It gets a pre-cognitive reaction out of them, and he certainly doesn't want them cogitating right now, not if he wants to get elected. He must stop thought in it's tracks if he's to have any hope.

Posted by: drossless | September 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain will eventually learn that if you do not make the attempt to tell the truth, all of your other statements will lose their credibility.

How can we trust a man who thinks that Sarah Palin was the most qualified person to lead the nation if he could not, and then continues to lie about her record, even when those blatant lies have been debunked?

As just one example, she kept the money for the bridge and just re-appropriated it to other projects. Yet, the GOP doesn't change their story.

For more on the strange candidacy of Palin/McCain:

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Akansha,
So you think that only those whom you call "smart", "successful",people are the ones who have that "deep concept of incentive". Is it only those who inherited or married into wealth who have this trait? What about those who are teachers, engineers, etc. who have actually worked to achieve their success?

Posted by: ann | September 18, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama's tax increases are for people who make $250,000 or more a year. And for buisnesses. And in fact, he's lowering 95% of the working class taxes.

The McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee both claim that Obama has voted 94 times "for higher taxes." We find that their count is padded. After looking at every one of the 94 votes that the RNC includes in its tally, we find:

23 were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all; they were against proposed tax cuts.

11 votes the GOP is counting would have increased taxes on those making more than $1 million a year

The GOP included a total of 17 votes on 7 measures, effectively padding their total by 10.

Posted by: CheeseMan | September 18, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

You cannot stop the flow of water by adding more rain. There comes a time when you have to wait it out.

A big rain is here and nether can stop it.

I feel sorry for the next President. They will be as Jimmy Carter was. Try a fireside chat, that will work.

America works when Americans work. Richard Nixon.

Posted by: None Ya | September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

craig,

the problem hasn't developed over two years and the democrats are fed by the same money as the republicans, so not fix is coming. Just more corrupt twisted run-aroungs that compound the problems.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

This coming from a person that until 15 years ago was a tried and true republican marine verteran, the republican party has been anything but conservative in the recent past. Spend like it just doesn't matter. Invade like it just doesn't matter. They've been acting with no concern of who or when their actions will have to be paid for. It's disgusting.

Posted by: John | September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

We HAVE a massive government. Thanks McCain.

Posted by: Ummm. | September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

To basement frog - Your abuse of common English meaning is unbelievable! Do you honestly think we're going to allow you to get away with it? "Socialism"? Let's try good old fashioned Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism! That is the very foundation of modern conservatism, what the Republican Party stands for! The retreaded Marxist notion of a one world government, of globalization, are all a part of your silly party's platform. Your business buddies at Boeing and ITT have illegally sold top secret defense technology to the CHinese...and NOTHING happened to them. Other good Republican companies have done everything from rolling odometers on RV's to selling defective body armor to troops. And, YOU, you silly twits, sit back and waave your made in China flag and pretend that you are some sort patriot? That you are anyting other than a phony and a traitor? And..."you country"? Please, just shut up! You hacks have done quite enough damage. If there were any justice, we would ship every NeoCon, every Bush voter, back to their Mother Russia. You fools don't belong here, don't deserve to live here, contribute NOTHING to this country, and are a weight on the rest of us. Your Bush-McCain Fed bailed out a bunch of Wall Street crooks. The firms they gave $250 billion dollars to this past week, the firms they have helped to the tune of nearly one trillion dollars in the last two months, ALL OF THEM, outsourced jobs, fired American workers and replaced them with Indian guest workers at half wages. That money could have been used to create millions of jobs for ordinary American's. Instead, it has gone to the most despicable and ruthless swine this country has ever produced, YOUR SWINE, YOUR CROOKS, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR COMPANY!

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

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Can we convince the dim-witted democrats to set up their own country and quit stealing from those of us who actually work, pay taxes, and keep our economy going?
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Yes, just as soon as we ship you and yours that want to borrow from our children and their children just so you can say 'Me me me'

Posted by: Koronin | September 18, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"The reality of the two candidates' economic plans then is secondary to the preconceived notions voters bring to the issues."

So it is completely irrelevant that McCain's ad is patently false (and widely reported as such, already?) So irrelevant that you don't even mention it?
It's no wonder then that, "Again, we aren't saying this is the "right" way for politics to operate, merely acknowledging that it is the way politics works."
The American people are counting on you to keep the truth in front. You could have this discussion as it is and simply frame it as "McCain is lying, but it works."
If you framed the discussion in that accurate light, perhaps this article would have actual value. Perhaps you might even encourage the campaigns to STOP lying, rather than explicitly ENCOURAGING them to CONTINUE lying.

Posted by: Michael | September 18, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It is downright criminal that these titans of Washington and Wall Street who raise hell against "redistribution" of wealth are so quick to "redistribute" debt all of us in the biggest tax in the history of the U. S.

Posted by: Clary | September 18, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

So Obama is going to fix everything and reduce taxes for 95% of the american people? Wow! That guy must be really smart.

Posted by: Richard | September 18, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"THE TRUTH ABOUT TAXES FROM CNN"

Oh ya, CNN (aka the Communist News Network)- that's a reliable source for independent news.


Reading these comments just shows how many of you are so willing to believe the lies the media tells you. I mean, this article here is so full of apparent bias, I'm surprised any of you consider it worthy of anything other than wiping your arse.


The real solution to our government is to dissolve all parties and make each politician run based on his or her own experience, ideals, and ideas. And if (when) they screw up- toss them out as soon as possible and get someone else in there.

Posted by: Alex B | September 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

It's not fair to say that McCain is lying when he keeps saying in speech after speech that Obama will raise "your" taxes. Since we know that McCain is "honorable" and a "straight talker," we must assume that he is addressing only people in the economic top 5% - you know, other rich people like himself. Now who's an elitist?

Posted by: DoTheMath | September 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

neelynzus said: "Do you really think that increasing taxes on the top 5% of income earners, who already bear 60% of the tax burden, will not depress the economy to the detriment of the rest of us?"

Funny, I see some GOP sites say 40%, some say 60%. Whatever the percentage, that's an inane argument.
An honest person, would cite percentage of income paid in taxes.
I do very well, but many friends of mine pay either more in taxes, or a higher percentage of their earnings, in taxes, than I do.
The system is gamed for me, because I do well. I will make out like a bandit, with McCain's proposed tax cuts, while others that make a lot less, get very little.

Thus, this *class warfare* garbage, your ilk spews, is exactly the antithesis of reality. It's the transference of tax burden from the wealthy, to the less wealthy, that is reality.
I do well enough that I don't need to shift my tax burden, to those less fortunate.
When they cut my taxes, who makes up the difference?? Either China, the Saudis... or whoever we borrow from. And who pays them back? Everyone, and their children.
Everyone should pay their fair share, and as an upper bracket tax-payer, I feel it's my Patriotic duty to give back. It's this country that made me... thus, I owe it.
And lastly, what's that saying?
When you're filling a cup, stop pouring if it's overflowing.
I did very well under Pres Clinton. So, Sen Obama will roll back my taxes to that level. Yeah, that will kill the economy.
Nope... under Clinton EVERYONE did well.
And when everyone is doing well, the economy booms.
Get off the GOP tax kool-aid... and start thinking for yourself.

Posted by: baz | September 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If McCain truly believes he has a better policy plan, then why does he insist on distorting and misrepresenting his opponents' plan?

Thats a very low blow.

Instead of misrepresenting Obama's plan by suggesting: "He will raise your taxes!", why doesn't McCain focus on how lowering taxes on 95% of Americans will hurt our economy, and in what ways his own plan is superior?

Frankly, both campaigns are running wild, dizzying the public to the point where we have very little basis to make an informed decision.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama's tax strategy is sound, and not in line with the typical, tired liberal tax philosophy. I can live with it, in other words. I've voted Republican since 1980. State, local, and national. But there is no way I can support someone stupid enough to use, and then get caught, breaking the law with an easily hacked Yahoo email account:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/17/AR2008091703304.html?hpid=topnews

The VP, who can become the P in a heartbeat, should not be the primary security threat our nation faces.

Posted by: Reagan4Life | September 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Where is Pat Buchanan When you need him?

Posted by: Ed | September 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How is it that all the blame for the shape our country is in is on the republician administation. Where has our great democratic Congress been these last (2) years. apparently they have had a good & long Vacation on our tax money.

Posted by: Craig | September 18, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

hey Jersey, you're just another tax and spend liberal.

Posted by: Pennsylvania Paul | September 18, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Lets see if I have this right...the Orator says no tax increase (unless you're rich).
Biden the Blowhard just said that it is patriotic to pay taxes.
Wonder where Pelosi the Inept or Reid the Spineless stand on this "confusing" position?

Posted by: newsman | September 18, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Joan wrote:
"I just heard that McCain co sponsored a bill to reform Freddie mac in 2006 and warned of the coming problems and the dems shut it down, including Obama... wow this is news to me as an independent, I will have to look into this..."
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LOL...this post reminded me of the commercial for a get-rich-at-home scheme, using the internet. The announcer, just a regular guy, like you and me, says "hey, before we get back to the program, I just have to tell you about this amazing new company that lets me make money using my own computer. And I don't have to lay out any money. Uh, I think I have the number right here...oh, yeah, there it is...."

So 'Joan'...you heard about this amazing new bill that shows McCain (the reformer) tried to take on Freddie Mac?

Not sure if this is Karl Rove, or just somebody well-trained by the RNC, but you need to do a little better than that.

It just doesn't sound real.

Note: nobody, uses comments like "it's news to me as an independent." Well, at least, not when they are trying to make sure that they get the word "reformer" in their piece. However, you left out 'maverick.' You're slipping.

Keep working on it...maybe one or 2 people will believe it.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 18, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain wants to lower his own taxes enough to buy another house. And he wants to lower your taxes enough to pay for a hotel the night the bank forecloses on your house.

Posted by: Rob | September 18, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Eric:
For the many months that I have been on this blog... sometimes I have been too "wordy" ...you got it in 2 sentences!

"The "tax and spend liberal" mantra drives me crazy. Why don't we create a new one called the"borrow and spend conservative"

Jersey John

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The lies from McCain just never end. Despite the fact that the analysis of independent tax groups have shown that Senator Obama's tax plan will lower taxes MORE than McCain's plan for almost all Americans, he still tries to claim that Senator Obama wants to raise everyone's taxes.

I hope that the American people wake up for once and hold McCain responsible for all of his lies in November by voting for Barack Obama.

Posted by: McCain is a liar | September 18, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

To the one who address my economic piece as "to basementfrog" (1) use a name stupid, even if its made up.
(2) we live in a socialist state, you're just not on the receiving end unless you make over a $1,000,00 per year.

Please read "free lunch" by David Cay Johnston.

A government that takes care of it citizens is not necessarily socialist, you dip.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 18, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"I just heard that McCain co sponsored a bill to reform Freddie mac in 2006 and warned of the coming problems "
I just heard he was given one of his houses by the CEO of Fannie Mae in exchange for the pornographic tapes he made of Newt Gingrich fellatiating Ronald Reagan in the Oval office.
But, being a reasonable, ratioanal man, I discounted it as a "rumor" and wasn't going to mention it.
If there was such a bill, Sarah Palin would have it made into a bikini (like she did the stars and stripes) and she'd be wearing it on the stump.

Posted by: dijetlo | September 18, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Fact: The projected deficit under a McCain administration is projected to be nearly twice that of the projected deficit under an Obama administration.

Fact: Cutting taxes when we haven't even figured out a way to cover our current spending (including two costly wars in the Middle East) is irresponsible, especially considering that much of our budget shortfall is being covered by China.

Fact: Pork barrel spending constitutes less than 15% of the current deficit. Cutting "pork" isn't going to be enough to combat current legislative over-spending, and it certainly won't be once McCain passes even more tax cuts. John McCain has no other proposals for reducing wasteful government spending.

Fact: Obama's tax program will allow more Americans to keep more of their money than they would under McCain's tax program.

Fact: The lass time there was a major tax hike on the wealthy and corporations (under Clinton), the gross GDP went up, not down. The notion that somehow growth will stop because taxes go up is not only preposterous, but it has been proven wrong time and again.

Fact: McCain supports corporate deregulation and tax cuts so that they get to keep more of their money. He claims this will be good for you because that money will get passed along to you. This year, the economy GREW 3%. Have you seen that money returned to you in pay, benefits, or home prices?

Fact: McCain is planning on REMOVING tax cuts for businesses that provide insurance and other benefits to their employees. McCain is planning on ADDING a tax to your paycheck that will treat those benefits you receive as additional taxable income. His great idea? He thinks you should get a private policy. Can you afford either a tax on your benefits or to lose your company-sponsored benefits? Can you afford a private insurance plan with the pithy $5000 rebate McCain is planning on giving to Americans to cover the cost of private insurance?

John McCain's plans do not make sense for America. They will provide neither the tax relief nor the growth proferred. They have offered no real solutions for reducing government spending, and offer no real solutions for how to cover the cost of American spending that is currently being covered by foreign governments, largely China. McCain has NO SOLUTIONS. Just a lot of empty rhetoric and scare tactics that he's hoping you will never realize are based on nothing.

Posted by: Katie | September 18, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

How can McCain on the one hand chastise Obama for the current economic fiasco and ideas about taxation when on the other hand he claims that the Senator from Illinois lacks enough experience to lead the country? It would stand to reason that Obama's fresh ideas are as yet untested within the beltway. While Obama's proposals may loosely fall within the old definition of the Democratic ideology, who can argue that our nation's economic security has been steadily spiraling downward for the last seven years?

McCain has much more explaining to do - he likes to characterize himself as a maverick, but it would appear that he is simply an impotent player whose ideas are much more alligned to the corporatations whose greed has resulted in the current crisis.

Posted by: cheryllynecox | September 18, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

oh, that's a good policy! let's stick it to the smartest, most successful people! the liberal mind never has never understood the deep concept of incentive.

Posted by: Akansha | September 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Joan wrote:
"I just heard that McCain co sponsored a bill to reform Freddie mac in 2006 and warned of the coming problems and the dems shut it down, including Obama... wow this is news to me as an independent, I will have to look into this..."

While you're doing that, be sure to look into how McCain fought to remove every banking regulation that he could, so that the crooks who came up with the subprime lending scheme could implement it.

Posted by: McCain is a liar | September 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

neelynzus said:
Do you really think that increases in capital gains taxes, corporate taxes, death taxes, payroll taxes, small business taxes, etc., don't count as tax increases and have no negative impact on the middle class?

Do you really think that increasing taxes on the top 5% of income earners, who already bear 60% of the tax burden, will not depress the economy to the detriment of the rest of us?

Obama's class warfare: Seduction of the ignorant.

We tried it your way for the last 8 miserable years... there was no trickle down economy... nada, none!! We fell for that scam... if you lower taxes then business can pass it on in more jobs and better earnings. Remember those words?? Well, the American worker is worse off than any time in recent history, and the wealthy have a greater portion of wealth than was ever held.

Please... spare us the rhetoric!

Posted by: Valeries2cents | September 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

And this 2008 Presidential Election Weekly Poll says it all. You Won't Believe These Results!

http://www.votenic.com

Results are instant.

Posted by: votenic | September 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Keating and Mccain
Gramm and Mccain

same slime

different year, different partner.

Posted by: dl | September 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone looked at the Polls Lately?????

The numbers have DRAMATICALLY changed in obama's favor in the past 3 days.....

What does it mean......Obama has the REAL change, and the REAL agenda for our economic problems......people are realizing that voting Obama is the right thing to do.....This election is not about spin, gender, age, race, lipstick or anything else.....its about the issues that the mccain team thinks its not......now they do

Posted by: Oregon4Obama | September 18, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Keating and Gramm

same team

same tactics
same results

only 2 differences this time

the bail out is a trillion dollars instead of a half of a trillion
Keating went to Jail and gramm is writing McCain's economic platform and policies.

same team same tactics
throw these bums out!

Posted by: dl | September 18, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Unfortuantely, the Republicans tactics are directed towards a great majority of people who will simply vote for a Republican because they are told over and over again that the Democrats will raise taxes or that the Democrats can't protect our country. The sheep mentality of this type of voter does not allow them to see more in depth or even want to dare to disagree with friends or family. The Repulicans know that basically there is an 8th grade level of education in the average voter and that all they have to do is appeal to them.

Posted by: John Fontaine | September 18, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

It is the same socialist agenda which touts the Government for keeping our planet green which has caused developing countries to begin endangering the planet worse than ever happened her in the US.

Our purchases of foreign goods creates poor working conditions for children. Low wages and dangerous working conditions.

If I cannot see it, it is not really there. I am soooooooo tired of tree hugging liberal democrats telling me US companies are the bad guys. It is us who are the bad guys.

We want to buy it, throw it away when we are done and the blame someone else while all the time encouraging the things we are protesting. Kind of ignorant.

Posted by: Ed | September 18, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

What people (especially the McCain campaign) neglect to consider is that you only get taxed if you make a profit (or, in deference to payroll employees, a positive gross income).

So businesses who are suffering the most and post negative income won't pay any income tax at all. Individuals will continue to pay at marginal tax rates, here again ensuring that the worse off you are, the less tax you'll pay (if at all).

Business owners who pay everyone, including themselves, fair and adequate wages can afford to pay higher taxes and still operate. The stockholders of public companies are the big losers, because their gains are tied to company profits after taxes.

So the real issue becomes this: Are you financially dependent on short-term stock prices, or on the price of consumer goods, health care and housing? For the vast majority of us, I would guess the latter.

Therefore, in my opinion, taxes -- in the current state of the economy -- are a non-issue.

Posted by: Joe Gruberman | September 18, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Todd

nice try

the middle class is what keeps our economy going

once again

just like Keating and the subsequent half a trillion dollar bail out then...

Mccain and his new deregulation lobbyist buddy is fighting to protect the slime who are the richest of rich who have greedily worked the pols to back off on regulation so they can take advantage of jow shmoe on the street to make as much money as possible and what happens...

a new trillion dollar bail out on the backs of those hard working Americans who actually made the money and expanded our ecenomy

only difference is...Keating went to jail

Gramm is writing Mccain's economic policies for the next 4 to 8 years.

Posted by: dl | September 18, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's see if I'm getting this right. McCain supports the bailout of AIG. He supports making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, (which he used to be dead set against), understanding that they are not currently on budget, and will have the effect of Trillions of dollars in new spending. Yet he is against having to pay for his spending suggestions. I suppose he will simply have his wonderous new running mate crap out the trillions of dollars in unfunded spending he is proposing-or else simply do things the W way.
Remember, we had a 10 year projected budget SURPLUS of 5 trillon when W first took office. He plundered it. Now we are paying 400 Billion a year just to service the INTEREST on the national debt. We have pretty much been screwed by W, regardless of who next takes office-but that doesn't mean we have to keep running things the way W did it. We aren't that stupid, are we?

Posted by: Biff | September 18, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I just heard that McCain co sponsored a bill to reform Freddie mac in 2006 and warned of the coming problems and the dems shut it down, including Obama... wow this is news to me as an independent, I will have to look into this...

Posted by: Joan | September 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I did some research, and it turns out that both McCain and Obama made some significant initiatives that would have tightened up oversight of the financial markets in 2006. McCain co-sponsored legislation which would have overhauled the regulatory functions relating to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Obama sponsored a bill which would have required lenders to thoroughly qualify borrowers in the sub-prime lending arena. So I'm willing to call that one a draw.

As for the tax issue, McCain using the phrase "Obama wants to raise your taxes" is a bald faced lie. In fact, Obama wants to allow the Bush tax-cuts (which favor those with higher incomes) to expire, and McCain labels that: "Obama wants to raise your taxes."

In fact, Obama wants to replace the Bush tax cuts with cuts which favor 90% of existing taxpayers. So yes the net effect is that Obama wants to raise taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year. For everyone else, he wants to lower taxes.

But it begs the question of Senator McCain: which is worse, raising the amount of taxes we collect each year, and thereby reducing the amount of money we must invariably borrow to cover the cost of things like "staying the course in Iraq", or continue to increase our already obscene national debt, the debt service alone on which will likely exceed $400-Billion a year during the next Presidential term?

In fact, one of the consequences of funding our current government with dollars "borrowed" from an as-yet unborn future generation is the deterioration in the confidence of world financial markets in the solvency of the United States. That deterioration has manifested itself both in the significant dilution in the real value of the dollar, and the massive losses of wealth in the capital markets generally.

The reckless decision by the Bush administration to invade Iraq has not only failed to make this country safer, it has enabled terrorist organizations to justify themselves, and provided them with easier access to American targets, which explains why so many more Americans have been permanently injured or killed since 9/11 than we lost on that day. The cost of that ill-considered strategy that we can measure is around $650-Billion, and there are residual built-in future costs probably twice that much, if we were able to simply end the war today.

The consequences of exercising no oversight over the financial excesses in the banking industry are staggering. We lost nearly $1-Trillion in a single day this week (yesterday). Millions of Americans have seen major portions of their assets wiped out, and while there is no question but that Democrats were complicit in the negligence that allowed it to happen, the Republicans have been the party with the means and the responsibility for exercising the oversight functions, and President Bush has all but prohibited those activities for the duration of his tenure.

While John McCain did make a good-faith effort to improve the oversight of Freddie and Fannie, with that exception, he has characterized himself as generally opposed to regulating business.

Now he is expressing his outrage at something he obviously knew was going on. Aside from a short endorsement of the previously mentioned legislation in 2006 (which was never voted on), he has been silent on the subject. The outrage, and his determination to go up against "the good ol boys..." surfaced in just the last week. Perhaps the commission he plans to setup to look into these problems will come up with some useful recommendations in a year or so, and out of those, perhaps some changes will be made for the better. However, how many more Trillions will be added to what this country already owes (almost $14-Trillion as of Tuesday) in the meantime?

I wish Senator Obama was telling voters that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy would be allowed to expire, and that there would be no replacement tax-cuts for lower income voters either. I wish he would abandon his proposed stimulus package, and move expeditiously lock in an exit strategy which will enable us to reduce the cost of our military presence in the Middle East, with most of the residual resources focused in Afghanistan.

In short, I wish Senator Obama would tell voters, we're all facing some tough times, and we're all going to have to make some sacrifices in order to re-build our economy and our standing in the world. If he did, I think we'd have the most legitimate reason to be hopeful that we can fix the damage we've sustained, and eventually emerge a stronger nation with a sound economy.

Posted by: ted in pdx | September 18, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: Heather | September 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Seems the RNC is just saying it as it is- "Barack Obama... a serial tax raiser who favors a massive government"

Sounds about right to me. Tax the people who work hard and give it to the lazy. As usual, the comments here show that the liberals have no clue about economics.

Fannie and Freddie have been creations of the congressional Democrats and the Clinton White House, designed to make mortgages available to more people including some people who couldn't afford them. (Sounds like the same Robin Hood BS Biden's preaching right now). And where did Fannie/Freddie lobbying dollars go? The top three U.S. senators getting big Fannie and Freddie political bucks were Democrats and No. 2 is Sen. Barack Obama.

But wait- I thought Obama didn't pander to lobbyists. Lies!!

Posted by: Bryan | September 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Think about it this way:

If Year 1 (or at least Priority 1) for the next president is to solve our economic issues, before attempting to implement any other program, then compare the ideas of the two candidates:

McCain: A deregulator by his own words, though he promises tougher oversight of the financial sector. Wants tax cuts across the board, which will weigh heavily in favor of the top 1-5% of wage earners. No capital gains increase, further cut (or elimination) of the estate tax. Cut corporate taxes. Cut spending (doesn't say where, other than earmarks, which is about $20B, enough to pay for less than 2 months of our Iraq occupation).

Obama: Tighter government regulation of financial sector. Cut taxes for everyone but the top 20% of wage earners (increases on the top 1% only). Provide a $50B in additional stimulus, paid for by windfall profits tax. Close corporate tax loopholes (not a tax increase on corporations, just making them actually pay taxes for a change). Raise cap gains by 5%. Review of spending and tax code to find offsets. Begin significant drawdown in Iraq, reducing our $10B/mo. commitment.

Ok. We've got an estimated $482B budget deficit for FY2009. Which one of these plans is going to generate more revenue?

Posted by: JamesCH | September 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Can we convince the dim-witted democrats to set up their own country and quit stealing from those of us who actually work, pay taxes, and keep our economy going?

Posted by: Todd | September 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

in fact Obama will CUT taxes for 95% of Americans.

Posted by: atoh | September 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Lies, lies and more lies from McCain....It surprises me that he continues to make these publicly refuted claims about Obama's tax plan. Obama will cut taxes for 82-95% of Americans......he is counting on people not checking the facts and cashing in on their ignorance, we cannot let this happen.

OBAMA WILL NOT RAISE TAXES FOR 95% of Americans. Those of us who know that this is true should repeat it clearly and often...online and verbally. These bold faced lies are unacceptable.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with the people who believe McCain? Can't you see that he is lying, day after day? He says the fundamentals of the economy are sound, as the economy is diving off a cliff. Then he explains the "fundamentals = American workers". Right. And "book" means "paper clip". It never meant that before, but today, I say book means paper clip, so it just does. And if you're against paper clips, you're against holding America together. Because I said so. God Bless America.

For 26 years, he said he's a de-regulator. Two days ago, he said stronger regulation is needed on Wall Street. This while his advisers include Phil Graham, a guy who is responsible for disassembling regulations that effect the management of banks and business throughout the US. Phil Graham would vote against traffic lights to regulate traffic. Phil is a wild-west kind of guy. Every man for himself -- and don't whine about it.

Obama has said time and time again, he WILL NOT raise taxes on 95% of the American population. What if he means it? Why would you believe McCain, when he says Obama will raise your taxes. No he won't. Or at least, maybe he means it when he says he won't.

McCain may have been an honorable man at one time. And yes, he was a POW, brave, loyal and true, etc. I get that. Now, you should get this: McCain has become a political lowlife. He'll say anything. He'll do anything. He is immoral, untrustworthy, hotheaded, ignorant and dangerous. Other than that, he'd be a great president.

Posted by: Ed Sommers | September 18, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

John needs Sarah, Sarah needs Todd, everybody needs Cindy. And we thought we would get Bill, if we got Hillary. I can just see the morning coffee session at the White House. A lot of imput, and discussuion.

Posted by: David | September 18, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't help but notice that McCain is trying to win at all costs, even if it means lying, even if it means someone who is incompetent as VP, even if it means denying the fact that over the past 8 years, there has been such a huge overhaul in the constitution that our government is closer to fascism than it ever has been. I've watched my taxes sky-rocket and I'm not foolish enough to believe that I'll have any Social Security or healthcare provided by my government.

My questions are these:
Why are republicans so conditioned to vote within their party, no matter what scandal, no matter what lie, no matter what hypocrisy?

Is it 'faith based' leadership?

Is it racism?

Is it years of conditioning as a wholeheartedly uneducated American?

Just because they say if you say a lie enough people believe it, doesn't mean you have to cave to believe it. This is such cult mentality coming from the republican right, it IS scary. We should be afraid.

It shouldn't be more v less government, it should be smart v dumb government as the argument, because we've been exposing ourselves far too much to "dumb governing" by both parties.

I for one was a president and vice president in office who (even if I don’t agree with them 100%) at least has the ability to THINK and not sit in and spew talking points and more lies.

Posted by: iH8uAll | September 18, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

One more thing... McCain stands on his promise of less government, note he stopped that message quick since it was "less government" that got us into this mess on Wall Street! And what about employment, we need to let the "market work"... well we see how that has worked out too! NO JOBS!

Bush, McCain... Dumb and Dumber!! Their supporters... Dumbest!!!

Posted by: Valeries2cents | September 18, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The charts from Obama supporters that show that an average tax bill for people making between 227K and 630 K is $7871, and will only go up $12 are insane. The taxes of people in that group are going to be somewhere from $40,000 on up to a much, much higher number. Where do the Obama freaks get this inaccurate baloney?

Posted by: Fearless Bear | September 18, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

you go neelynzus! but trying to get this thru to these thick-headed democrats is definitely an uphill challenge.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I hope that you love your Walmart that much to agree when they by all of thier cheap good products as you say from China as well as they screw every one of their employees and town that they enter. Those tax raises on the rich so maybe once they see how much we pay as far as percentage. God forbid everyone is treated fair in this country.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

To basementfrog:

You have it mostly right, except giving government more control. Name me one program the government has NOT screwed up - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, even our tax system is so complex that it takes 100's of pages in rules (which grows each year, by the way). A Government in control has no incentive to do a good job at anything because they have no competition and no one person to answer to. Absolute control corrupts absolutely.

If you want to live in a Socialist state - move the hel* out of my country.

Posted by: To basement frog | September 18, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If you hate "socialist" America so much, please find a way to pay for your own private fire departments, water and sewer service and do not use social security or any medicare benefits.

Also, tell your Republican friends to quit getting involved in the collapse their hands off policy of business created. When business want to avoid environmental regulation or wish to set up shop outside of US borders so they can pay sweat shop wages, these guys were all into "let them regulate themselves". Now that they've burned through the petty cash, they're in the welfare line at the White House and the party of "smaller government" is dishing out the taxpayers soup like there's no tomorrow.

Posted by: Socialist America | September 18, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The facts that no one can dispute are these:
McCain -
A true patriot.
Has experience.
Crosses party lines to get things done.
Has dedicated his entire life to serving his country.

Obama -
Only 2 years experience.
Grew up with Muslim friends.
Has a shady past.
Will not do an interview with McCain because he knows he would be slaughtered.

You decide!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What is it you want from the new President other than defend our boarders, deliver the mail and leave me the hell alone?

Talk to me. You know greed is good. It is absolutely correct to state government bailouts are socialism. It seems the majority want this, so it will happen.

Posted by: Ed | September 18, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

This means that the populism "gambit" that Chris was touting yesterday, that McCain is for the "workers," was not working. Too bad McCain's tax "gambit" is based on a lie. Obama would lower middle class taxes much more than McCain. Looks to me like McCain is boxed in. Time for another McCain-manufactured distraction from the issues, no doubt.

Posted by: Mary | September 18, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Soonerthought[less] posted: "Obama will cut taxes for more than 95% of Americans."

According to the Tax Foundation, using IRS data, more than 40 million Americans who filed tax returns in 2005 had ZERO tax liability. That number has grown steadily since the '80s. That was one-third of all filers. http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/542.html

How do you cut taxes below ZERO?

Maybe you Obots should stop with the talking points and try reality for a while.

Do you really think that increases in capital gains taxes, corporate taxes, death taxes, payroll taxes, small business taxes, etc., don't count as tax increases and have no negative impact on the middle class?

Do you really think that increasing taxes on the top 5% of income earners, who already bear 60% of the tax burden, will not depress the economy to the detriment of the rest of us?

Obama's class warfare: Seduction of the ignorant.

Posted by: neelynzus | September 18, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"What in the world possessed the Obama campaign to let their guy wander like a dazed lamb into a snake pit of religious inquisition like Rick Warren's public forum last month at his Saddleback Church in California? That shambles of a performance -- where a surprisingly unprepared Obama met the inevitable question about abortion with shockingly curt glibness -- began his alarming slide."

I have seen this same comment copied and pasted on more than one news organization's web site. One question: What does this have to do with Obama or McCain's tax policy?

Posted by: Katie | September 18, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

To Anonymous who keeps using the term NObama -- I hope you didn't procreate. If you did, your kids are at a distinct disadvantage in the gene pool. Thanks to Darwinism, it won't be a problem for long.

Posted by: God | September 18, 2008 12:32 PM |