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McCain Wins Debate

Although the fate of tonight's presidential debate in Mississippi remains very much up in the air, John McCain has apparently already won it -- if you believe an Internet ad an astute reader spotted next to this piece in the online edition of the Wall Street Journal this morning.

"McCain Wins Debate!" declares the ad which features a headshot of a smiling McCain with an American flag background. Another ad spotted by our eagle-eyed observer featured a quote from McCain campaign manager Rick Davis declaring: "McCain won the debate-- hands down."

Here's the screenshot.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 26, 2008; 10:40 AM ET
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I do not appreciate how our country expects the government to pull them out of a financial burden. People need to take responsibility themselves. Not rely on the government to parent them their whole life.

The idea that giving tax breaks to the corporations will trickle down and create more jobs for everyone is probably not going to work all that well as yes, we are importing too much and not exporting enough to make up for it. This simple problem is a main cause for the downfall of Rome. They took everything from foreigners when they needed something because their own workers demanded too high of pay for simple tasks. The whiney poor caused its downfall.

Now completely aside from what the government can do to pamper us and pull us out of our own mess and change our diapers, the taxes are not fair in any way shape or form. The poor do not pay taxes and they reap on benefits in which collected taxes provide for nothing. I have 2nd hand experience. My uncles have lived on the government their entire life. And they get more than the average honest worker.

Next, our beloved middle class gets slammed hard on taxes. Actually, it's not all that bad but because the poor take so much from them, the bill is higher than it should be. And since they make up whatever large percentage of the population, they are the ones paying for it.

The rich are few among the many. Their extra tax burdens do not fund the government peanuts compared to what the middle class contributes. And even if they were the main source of income, this is by no means fair for the government to rape them on their checks.

What we need is a balanced government. One where there is a lot less giving away to people who dont deserve, and a lot less taking from those who work hard. Take away the first and the latter can easily be achieved. Taxes should be FAIR. If I make $200,000 this year, and then go out of business for 3. I suffer a much greater tax burden than the guy working the easy $50k/year job. Why is this? It's the same money. Does time really have to be a factor in how much your bill is? How can you justify taking higher percents from someone making more? IF everyone pays the same percent, the guys who make a lot more pay that much more anyway. Why are we taking a powered factor from them?

The government's spending should be balanced by an even taxation. When spending goes up, taxes for everyone should go up. When it goes down, taxes go down. These taxes should be the same for all levels. You make $1 you pay 20%. You make a trillion, you pay $20.

If you give the poor tax breaks. They will cheat the system. They will purposly not work. Why work full time when part time pays half the pay check and the other half from someone else right? And why bother pushing yourself to make a great business when more than 50% of the rewards go to the government? If the government is going to take 50% of my paycheck, then everyone better be paying 50%. That's what's fair.

Obama will probably win. But it doesnt matter. Neither of these boneheads should be in charge of anything. You and I should be in control of our own lives, grown up and using the toilet instead of the government issued diapers we are promised by these guys.

Posted by: duda1 | October 1, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey McCain, maybe you can get your money back on the ad.

Posted by: supreme_aka1908 | September 29, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Chris
What I am waiting for is the polls taken around the world. Why won't the media show the polls taken from each country? Why not?
BECAUSE THE WORLD ALREADY DISMISS MCCAIN AS INCAPABLE OF RESTORING THE FAITH AND LOVE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
The buzz word around the world is "OBAMA."
Obama is the only one who people of the world trust to restore the order of things here at home as well as in the world. THE WHOLE OF EUROPE, ASIA, SOUTH AMERICA, AFRICA HATES, AND I REPEAT, HATES McCAIN.
I pray to God almighty Barack Obama becomes president of the USA if only for reasons that it will bring world peace and order. AMEN.

Posted by: prudencerussell | September 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris
What I am waiting for is the polls taken around the world. Why won't the media show the polls taken from each country? Why not?
BECAUSE THE WORLD ALREADY DISMISS MCCAIN AS INCAPABLE OF RESTORING THE FAITH AND LOVE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
The buzz word around the world is "OBAMA."
Obama is the only one who people of the world trust to restore the order of things here at home as well as in the world. THE WHOLE OF EUROPE, ASIA, SOUTH AMERICA, AFRICA HATES, AND I REPEAT, HATES McCAIN.
I pray to God almighty Barack Obama becomes president of the USA if only for reasons that it will bring world peace and order. AMEN.

Posted by: prudencerussell | September 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama has reached the tipping point in his campaign. But if he wins the election it will not be because of his skill but because of McCain's associations and mistakes in judgment.
Phil Gramm, Sarah Palin, Rick Davis are McCain's albatrosses.
But his mistakes in judgment on the economy will not be forgiven. Pretending to suspend his campaign is recognized as a transparent stunt. Swing voters know this and will desert him just as he deserted Letterman.

Posted by: seemstome | September 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama has reached the tipping point in his campaign. But if he wins the election it will not be because of his skill but because of McCain's associations and mistakes in judgment.
Phil Gramm, Sarah Palin, Rick Davis are McCain's albatrosses.
But his mistakes in judgment on the economy will not be forgiven. Pretending to suspend his campaign is recognized as a transparent stunt. Swing voters know this and will desert him just as he deserted Letterman.

Posted by: seemstome | September 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

First I'd like to give respect to those who has remained objective in their posts. As for the debate itself, it was almost a draw as far as presentation of information, but as far as facts, and the debating itself, Obama won with a few more points than McCain.

Also, someone in here said JFK was responsible was Vietnam. Actually, if you knew your facts, JFK was killed because he refused to go to war with them. Not knowing facts discredit you.

Also, someone said McCain is more experienced. Of course he is, by his age and years in public service. So basically, you're saying anyone who is the oldest candidate should win? There is a very stupid and dangerous precedent to establish. Age and not the issues and the votes of the people matter? Those of you who don't like Obama will like him better if he runs again in 25 years against ANYONE younger because he's been around longer? The wrath of the uninformed and unaware and uneducated American in the anatomy and biology of politics, government, and the US Constitution.

2 mistakes John McCain made, at least for the very informed Americans (the majority of Americans are not informed and will believe whatever they hear):

1. Making the whole issue with runaway spending on $18 billion in congressional earmarks. $18 billion is chump change in a $10 trillion+ economy of which $3 trillion is government spending. Yes it's runaway spending still, or is it? It's actually lower compared to say...2005's 23.6 billion, when the GOP ran both houses of Congress. It's not the amount but the benefit per person. It also doesn't take into account what they are being used for. Not all projects are outlandish, some actually help the people.

He tried to smear Obama, therefore not accounting for the rest of the money, including Palin's $450 million total requests in her 1 1/2 years in office. That's about $1 million a day as well. Obama's earmarks equate to about $25 per Illinioan, while Palin's equates to $295 per Alaskan, even AFTER she lowered the amount of earmarks in the coming fiscal year...$295 PER PERSON! The highest of ANY state ever! So where is the runaway spending? Wyoming could ask for only 5% of Obama's amount ($46 million) over the same period of time and it would equate to about $30 per Wyomingan. McCain is relying on the ignorance of Americans economics skills to give him credibility.

The runaway spending has come from the White House. He opposed the tax cuts for the rich but now he supports making them permanent. Flip flopper??? Isn't that a hard-coded term now thanks tot he GOP 2004 smear campaign? Bush has borrowed more money than EVERY other 42 presidents COMBINED! He and his GOP controlled Congress for 6 of the last 8 years have LOST, I repeat, LOST billions of dollars on the books. At least that's what we're told by fact checkers. They haven't really admitted anything. Bush took a record surplus, turned in into a record deficit, started bring it down, and it sending it back to a new record deficit, thanks to this financial crisis. Then there is one BIG earmark called Iraq that McCain wants to prolong. But it's not really an earmark, neither is the billions Halliburton gets out of it from it's no-bid contract. So he gets away with earmarks, but not really runaway spending. Which brings me to...

2. McCain continues to attack Obama on the surge...the ONLY thing in the whole 6 1/2 years of war that actually worked. Do you fail every test, homework assignment, project then do a good job on an extra credit assignment and think you deserve an A in the class? Mission accomplished was announced on May 1, 2003. The surge started in 2007. The war should not have happened in the first place. McCain is holding on to the only strategy that did what.......it partially fixed a big hole that we dug the prior 4 years. While what? While the people who.............wait for it...................... ACTUALLY ATTACKED US... have grown in strength in Afghanistan and Pakistan along with the Taliban and expanded their reach into other countries, and not as a result of our invasion, like Iraq. They followed us there, so the threat of them forming a base there if we leave is our fault. But no one talks about their expansion into African nations, AFTER the war in Iraq started.

Obama was smart enough and man enough to make sure this debate happened. The American people needed this debate, and the financial crisis is a priority but the ability to multi-task is necessary to be President and McCain shot himself in the foot on that.

Both candidates are equally qualified to be president, but Obama is more in touch with the needs of the country, via the people's cry. Much of what we need to clean up the next 4 years was created in the last 8. McCain is not so much a maverick he will succeed in taking out his own party. Republicans love power. His threat to control spending but make tax cuts for the rich permanent tells me he is not going to really do much for the avg joe. You have to spend money to make money. That is what investing is. The problem is how it's spent and how it's managed. Trickle down economics does not work. Give money to the rich to invest to create jobs to make products that the middle and working class can't afford? Those jobs will not last very long. Demand drives the economy, not supply. Give the people the tax cuts, they will boost demand, which will require more jobs. That's how basic economics works.

What the GOP also isn't telling you...that while they claim tax cuts, we all got a big tax increase when we paid $4/gal for gas of which 14 cents per dollar is federal tax. So we pay 64 cents per gallon when we paid about 20 cents per gallon when Bush took office. It was McCain along with his party that killed every energy initiative that called for alternative fuels the past 30 years, and it was the GOP that slowed down the agenda for more fuel efficient cars.

Posted by: Terique | September 28, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

McCain's record and experience makes him so much more qualified than Obama.. Anyone can rehearse words of economy or foreign affairs.

McCain lived it and he knows why and how to run this country. McCain knows so much about foreign affairs. Obama just says I will fix the economy with his empty words. Obama couldn't even accomplish removal of asbestos in buildings and gave up when he was a community organizer. McCain stays with conviction to get things done and has the record to prove it. Obama has no record. He has no history of doing anything that accomplished much. Obama just a talker, but can't make anything happen. He is also scary because he said in his debate when he is president he will talk to anyone anytime which makes me know he can become a dictator full of his lust for power.. I don't trust Obama because he attended a church that was NOT CHRISTIAN. It is Black Theology they preached and he was very comfortable with black theology which teaches white hatred and that white people are the enemy. Look up Black Theology Wikipedia. Reverend Wright his pastor wrote books on the subject.

Posted by: Taratova | September 28, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Notice the negative comments from others that attempt to underscore John McCain's age, referring to him as "old," asserting that he is not capable of Presidential duties. Let's get beyond stating the obvious (because yes, he is much older than Obama) and let's return the focus back to the debate.

For starters, McCain's age has not been an adverse factor of his service.

Secondly, claiming his age as a disqualifying factor (when there is no evidence of adverse influence) is actually in opposition to anti-discriminatory laws (e.g., ADEA, 1967). Likewise, we cannot infer that Obama is unqualified because he is Black; this too would be illegal and irrational.

Thirdly, one could argue that McCain's history with melanoma is a concern. At the same time, Obama's history of smoking and family history of cancer would be equally a concern.

Let's stop these juvenile remarks and resonate some sound discussion... on both sides of the aisle. We can have valid criticism without resorting to certain tactics.

Posted by: leaderdoctor | September 28, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

McCain's record and experience makes him so much more qualified than Obama.. Anyone can rehearse words of economy or foreign affairs.

McCain lived it and he knows why and how to run this country. McCain knows so much about foreign affairs. Obama just says I will fix the economy with his empty words. Obama couldn't even accomplish removal of asbestos in buildings and gave up when he was a community organizer. McCain stays with conviction to get things done and has the record to prove it. Obama has no record. He has no history of doing anything that accomplished much. Obama just a talker, but can't make anything happen. He is also scary because he said in his debate when he is president he will talk to anyone anytime which makes me know he can become a dictator full of his lust for power.. I don't trust Obama because he attended a church that was NOT CHRISTIAN. It is Black Theology they preached and he was very comfortable with black theology which teaches white hatred and that white people are the enemy. Look up Black Theology Wikipedia. Reverend Wright his pastor wrote books on the subject.

Posted by: Taratova | September 28, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Notice the negative comments from others that attempt to underscore John McCain's age, referring to him as "old," asserting that he is not capable of Presidential duties. Let's get beyond stating the obvious (because yes, he is much older than Obama) and let's return the focus back to the debate.

For starters, McCain's age has not been an adverse factor of his service.

Secondly, claiming his age as a disqualifying factor (when there is no evidence of adverse influence) is actually in opposition to anti-discriminatory laws (e.g., ADEA, 1967). Likewise, we cannot infer that Obama is unqualified because he is Black; this too would be illegal and irrational.

Thirdly, one could argue that McCain's history with melanoma is a concern. At the same time, Obama's history of smoking and family history of cancer would be equally a concern.

Let's stop these juvenile remarks and resonate some sound discussion... on both sides of the aisle. We can have valid criticism without resorting to certain tactics.

Posted by: leaderdoctor | September 28, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

McCain came off sounding like a grumpy old man .Perhaps that what GOP stand for now a days Grumpy Old Politician.

Posted by: buddtee | September 28, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

One more thing. The reason I believe McCain would not look at Obama is because he is po'd and he knows his campaign has told terrible lies about Obama. How can you look someone in the face, when you lie about them and feel contempt or guilt over it? It is human nature to do this. The truth stands on its own and is not afraid of being exposed. Either McCain's conscience is talking to him, or he has truly turned into a soul-less puppet.

I somehow feel there is something fishy going on with McCain, and would not trust him in a position of power.

Posted by: skolniks | September 28, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Time out to wish Sen. Kennedy well, and to acknowledge the passing of Paul Newman, a great and generous man.

Posted by: skolniks | September 28, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

McCain is an arrogant little pisant, and that is the way he acted toward Obama, who has more class, integrity and leadership ability than McCain could ever have. My guess is he's used his POW story over and over to get what he wants and it is not working now, so he resorts to garbage and lies. Just because McCain has been in the Senate for years, does not make him a leader and it showed in the debate. Obama is a natural leader and has something McCain does not have right now: integrity and concern for the American people.

And for the person who compared Obama to Bush as being greenhorns, the difference is that Obama has leadership ability, and has concern for his fellow Americans, whereas Bush's whole agenda was payback to his corporate and wealthy supporters.

Enough is enough. And that is that. WE THE PEOPLE will no longer stand for the BS lies of rabid corporatists and the wealthy without a social conscience. The word Republican has such a bad taste in the mouth these days, that a local candidate in Seattle sued to change his listing as GOP rather than Republican (there are many that do not necessarily know the term GOP) =- funny huh? Well, that's what Republican means to WE THE PEOPLE today - a pile of dog doo.

My guess is that Bush and Repubs have engineered this 'crisis', are bankrupting America and sticking the billions of dollars in offshore accounts because they know they are going down, and are taking the money and running. Wait and see.

Posted by: skolniks | September 27, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow. If McCain keeps this up, he'll eventually be run over by his own "Straight Talk Express" bus. Unbelievable if it were not typical McCain style.

Posted by: SilverFoxUna | September 27, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

As a independent voter and small business owner, I found the debate to be entertaining and to a degree somewhat informative.
However, after reading many of these posts; I have found that all over the internet and here that most people are often slanted in their views and such slant should be taken with a grain of salt. Most people with affiliations with one party or another stick with them. (There are a few exceptions)
As an independent, here are a couple of sticking points I came away with.
Both McCain and Obama somewhat dodged Jim Lehr's opening question on the current crisis' affect on their respective plans for our future. (Can anyone really answer such a broad question when we don't even know what kind of "rescue" plan (Bail Out) is going to be put forth for sure.?
They stood a better chance of winning on "Dancing With The Stars" than they did answering Mr. Lehr's opening question while dancing around his question and some cases given the state of the economy who can really blame them?
Another thought and sticking point and one that, as an independent really struck me was the seemingly arrogant way that Mr. McCain would avoid looking at Mr. Obama (who too has at times been chacterized as somewhat arrogant in the past), when he was asked by Mr. Lehr to respond(rebutt) statements, by Mr. Obama.
There is something to be said about a person who will not look another human being in the eye when talking to them.
Mr. Obama, did look at Mr. McCain and even addressed him, as he rebutted his claims and also looked into the camera speaking to all of us, so I came away very encouraged on that front.
If you will watch Mr. McCain, I as an independent never really feel that he was truly trying to connect with me "a middle class man in his forties", and as I stated before or if I didn't, I am now; I usually lean conservative and even as a teen pulled for Reagan, however this time I see something in Mr. Obama that I haven't seen in a while and that is a confident young man who I believe has a real concern for his country and the people from the bottom up.
I was disappointed that Mr. McCain spent much of his time rehashing false statements about Mr. Obama from ads that their campaign have previously have ran, which were debunked be factcheck.org and other reliable and non-partisan political fact checking organizations.( By the way, Mr Obama's campaign too is guilty of twisting the truth at times which isn't good either).
I thought that for the most part Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama did pretty well given the fact that they both had just come back from Washington DC, and facing Us The American People in their or "our debate".
I admire Mr McCain's courage and service to our country and learned something about his policies last night that I hadn't previously known, however I never really got from him the reason that we went to war in Iraq anyway.
A large part of why we were in Iraq was because they had weapons of mass destruction and Sadaam Hussein was posing an Immediate threat to our country's safety, however we never found those weapons(by the way, Al Quieda continues to threaten the world's safety and also the USA.)
This was like "You hitting my little brother, and then I instead of going to your house and confronting you, I instead go to your neighbor and retalliate on him. Non-sense and unexceptable. 10 billion dollars per month and nearly a trillion dollars in debt from the war alone, which Mr. McCain couldn't rebutt, but instead diverted attention away, by attempting to discredit Mr. Obama in establishing him (Barak)as naive and inexperienced, but yet never seemed to get any closer to me as an Independent voter.
People say that Mr. Obama is arrogant, however I say that Mr. McCain is no choir boy when it comes to showing arrogance. (In fact I thought Mr. Obama was very diplomatic in his approach last night and handled himself very well and now has my support.
Most people who have allegiances one way or another stick up for their "guy", however I as an Independent constantly look at them both and still see two humans who are not super human.
My mother raised me to be independent in my thinking and though she was a very strong and deep democrat, and often debated with me about my usually opposite opinions.
I didn't liked Gore, and I did not like Kerry, so I am not by any means a democrat, though my family probably wished I was.
I want to encourage all Americans to shed their party lines and look at each campaign independent and bi-partisan of parties and more from fact which is very difficult to do.
Oh, and for all those who say Palin is only running for VP and not president, just think, if McCain can't fufill his duty as president then she'll have to step in and while I feel very sorry for her being in the present situation and looking very bad when not reading from a prepared speech, and not really preparing her for the media (McCain campaign mistake) I think she'll possibly be better prepared for her debate. Oh, there is this point there is no comparison between Mrs. Palin and him. 1 Mr. Obama handles himself very well with the media, 2 He and she are obviously running for different offices, but she could very well be in the office of president. Tomorrow isn't promised to noone Mr. McCain nor Mr. Obama, and I see our country possibly being in better hands with Biden than Mrs. Palin, but that opinion could change.
Voters must be responsible and not partisan.

Posted by: terryjordan_75 | September 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

WOW...none of you all can read..

The Screen shot says Friday, September 26, 2008 10:16 am.

Does anyone know when the debate took place?

I thought the debate was last night

Posted by: Courtchan1 | September 27, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse


No way, no how, NO MC CAIN ... He did NOT win the debate expect to those diehard GOPPERS.

A rude, rambling, discourteous stuck-in-the-past old man is NOT what America needs to get out of our economic turmoil and to navigate us into calm waters in a changed world.

America will have to make up for a lot of lost ground in the international community. Barack Obama is the only candidate sufficiently wise, skilled and discerning to steer our 'ship of state' and to restore our broken image abroad.

But the choice is ours. Obama wins whether he is POTUS or not as he is well loved and respected in every country of the world in which we live. He is brilliant and wisdom is not a deteriorating asset.

AMERICA needs Obama.
America can choose to sink her ship with McCain/Palin or choose the wise leadership of Obama/Biden '08.

Posted by: dopera2004 | September 27, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm a (former) democrat that will be voting for McCain this year. The reason why? I'm a moderate and I'm not a blind faith follower of any party. In all honesty, I see Bush in Obama a lot more so than McCain. First of all, what was the Bush Doctrine? If you say it's "preemption", you're wrong. Truman (a democrat) preempted war against Korea and JFK (another democrat) preempted war against Vietnam long before Bush was even a blip on the national radar screen. However, no president in history has expanded the bureaucracy or tacked on more government spending than W. Bush has. So in actuality, the "Bush Doctrine" is one of rampant, unchecked, uncontrollable spending and an unmitigated, unassailable, over-expansion of the government. What is Obama proposing? More wild and grotesque spending and a general widening of the all-encompassing broken bureaucracy. Even if Obama is proposing to spend the money in different areas and expand the government for different reasons, the results are the same in the long run... our economy is left for dead and the government overreaches, gets involved in business that it shouldn't be and the red tape-mummification that ensues renders the entire bureaucracy completely ineffective and useless (see Katrina).

I find it amusing that people are so quick to forget. When Bush ran against Gore in 2000, tell me, which one had "experience" and which one was the naive newcomer to Washington that thought he could "transform" the place with his idealistic way of thinking? You're right if you said "Bush". Now in '08, which candidate is the unqualified, naive newcomer who thinks he can "transform" Washington because of his idealism? That's right, it's Obama. We learned from W. Bush himself that it's not always a good idea to boot the guy that actually knows what he's talking about and elect the naive, ideologue who's promising a new world order... Also, no one in the media is mentioning the fact that John McCain was John Kerry's first choice for VP in '04. Maybe the reason democrats are having such a tough time tying McCain to Bush is because they've spent the last 8 years promoting him as their greatest bipartisan ally...

Even those who possess primitive bundles of nerves in their heads (rather than modern human brains) can tell you Bush was possibly the worst president in the existence of the presidency. Of course, about half of those people couldn't tell you exactly what made him so bad (i.e. the ones who turned around and nominated Obama). The problem is this, the mistakes Bush made are not make believe, they are real, critical, prosperity-breaking blunders that aren't going to magically disappear. We can't pretend as if the Bush-era never happened (though that would be nice if we could). We must work to correct those problems or else they will become exponentially worse... and I'm not talking about the way "Europeans perceive us" or our "global image abroad"... that's the least of our worries (and is probably the only thing Obama can actually fix), I'm talking about fundamental problems that could destroy the American way of life as we know it; foreign policy/war and the economy. Obama is largely proposing that we ignore the problems that Bush created as if they never happened in the first place. He wants to withdrawal from Iraq which would essentially create an Iranian super-state and would only compound the problem. He wants to dismantle our nuclear arsenal at a time when we're entering economic downturn and our enemies are starting to acquire nuclear weapons... truly, a reckless, short-sighted, utopian idea if I've ever heard one. After the Bush regime, our nukes may be all that we have left. Speaking of nuclear powers, Obama is so naive he publicly proclaimed that he'd invade one of our supposed "allies" (Pakistan) while secret raids were already going on in that country. In WWII they always said "loose lips sink ships" well nowadays "loose lips blow up hotels". As for economic issues, Obama's "big business tax" is a joke. It may make for a good sound-bite and sound like a nice idea in theory but it doesn't work... big businesses are smarter than that. They simply pass off the tax onto the consumers by increasing the prices of their goods and services to make up the difference, which is the last thing we need while on the verge on the Great Depression Part Deux. Raising taxes on the financials would have been a good idea coming out of the Clinton-era... but not when our financial system is on the verge of total collapse.

Of course, if Obama had been around Washington a little longer and wasn't so green he'd probably catch on to these kinds of things. He's already starting to realize that his utopian ideas (that only represent a tiny sliver of the democratic party; those of the far left-wing activists) do not fly in middle-America. That's why he's had to try to shift so many of his policies to the center. But you see that's the problem... Obama is not the moderate (like Hilary) that he claims to be. He was nominated by the far left wing of the party and does not represent the views of the majority of his own party let alone the rest of the country. McCain may have his faults but at least he recognizes what needs to be done to get this country back on track. Now is not the time for more spending and idealism. Now is the time for a cold, hard dose of reality and some solutions.

Posted by: walter28 | September 27, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

McCain showed he is a leader. Obama showed he is an empty suit.

Posted by: anaf | September 27, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The blindness and short memory of the average American never ceases to amaze me. To wit:

"If that seems far-fetched, explain to me why a blithering idiot has been sitting in the White House for the last eight years.
Is it because most Americans are blithering idiots too?

"That's not my experience."

Bill Clinton was caught in a substantial lie every week of his campaign, and got elected anyway. Then he got caught in a lie every week of his presidency, and was chosen by his party, which comprises about half the population, to run a second term. Then he got caught in a substantial lie every week of that second campaign, and still got elected to a second term.

That would seem to say that while maybe they don't "blither," most Americans are indeed idiots when it comes to elections. They vote for policies and platforms instead of values and plans. They vote to fire a bad president instead of to elect a good one. They vote thinking that the president has some influence on the national economy when it is in fact the Congress, not the president, who has the influence on the economy because they formulate the final budget by taking the president's desires and striking from it what they don't want and attaching all the pork.

The sad truth is that most Americans don't know enough about America or how its government works to competently participate in choosing its leaders. And with all the millions or even billions of dollars being spent on political spin and brainwashing, it's no wonder. But democracy has a price, a high price, won with blood and maintained with vigilance, and those who are not vigilant enough to stay informed and help their neighbors stay informed -- of the facts, not the latest idealistic rhetoric -- doesn't deserve the privilege of self-governing.

Posted by: docjackson | September 27, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

What this country needs at this moment in history is prayer not political rhetoric. Sarah Palin clearly puts God first in her life and that will certainly be manifest in her influence on foreign affairs and the global economy. We need someone in the White House who understands the Book of Revelations and America's destiny in the end days. We cannot afford not to complete God's mission in the middle east. We need politicians who will put God's word first. Palin wins my vote and the righteous will put her and McCain in the White House.

Posted by: marcus10467 | September 27, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I am a democrat, one who wanted Hillary to win. Was unsure about Obama. (very hard to believe it he says something because he believes it or because he thinks it is what the voters want to hear). After the debates I have no choice but to cast my vote for McCain.

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LOL.

Another Republican propagandist.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 27, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

“ Obama gets The McCain beat down in debate”

No doubt Obama camp is happy they kept lowering expectations for his debate performance because Obama got his clock cleaned by John McCain who kept the young inexperienced candidate looking immature and childish talking in circles. All Obama could do was interrupt with bogus claims of "lying" and looks of frustration and despair. (Not a good performer, unless someone writes a pre-written speech for Obama to study or read on teleprompter) On Iraq and all else, Obama keeps looking to the past instead of the future? Where’s the change Obama? McCain understands the next president has to look to the future and secure not only victory but also stabilizing a fledgling democracy. Obama kept up his all season stupid rhetoric, the war was wrong, the war is wrong, I’m black that makes me qualified to be president!

Especially since he stupidly picked 30 years in Washington, pro war supporter Biden (whose son is a lobbyist) as VP. Slapping the face of 18 million democratic voters, who David Axelrod said he don’t need. Again proves Obama is unstable and does not have the experience to make important decisions or have control over this great country.

Obama said seven times or more that he agreed with McCain. That’s good for McCain because when McCain is President Obama can work with him to get needed reforms through a failed Congress. McCain displayed a thorough knowledge of world affairs. Obama did not! And talked in circles and really had no coherent thoughts other than his main talking points from his pre-written campaign speech.

Bottom line; Obama got “ The McCain beat down” only because of the lowered expectations Obama just barely got across the finish line. Obama definitely finished dead last. No surprise we all know Obama is not good on his feet, as Hillary wiped the floor with him 20 plus times! Bottom line McCain had a great night while Obama is going home licking his wounds. Of course you can expect to hear the tabloid cable news , better known as Obama News Networks CNN & MSNBC media made fairy tales, that he was great, too bad for CNN that voters finally realized these two Obama news networks are not very truthful and bias. They offer voters looking for facts…NOTHING…


Posted by: dyck21005 | September 27, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I am a democrat, one who wanted Hillary to win. Was unsure about Obama. (very hard to believe it he says something because he believes it or because he thinks it is what the voters want to hear). After the debates I have no choice but to cast my vote for McCain. He was far more knowledegable about the issues even the economy and I think I would trust my life more with him than Obama. So here it goes-
Go McCain/Palin 2008

Posted by: badger229 | September 27, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I am a registered Republican and have voted Republican in nearly every election, but not this time. It's amazing to me that some continue citing the alleged experience of an aged McCain over a youthful Obama. Given McCain's age, perhaps we should be considering the value of Sarah Palin's experience, should McCain not live out his Presidency. Also, in my fifty two short years, I have seen many examples of competency emerge from the new vs. old guard. Further, I was not impressed by McCain calling himself a maverick when he could not deny being a maverick 10% of the time, and a Bush / Reagan loyalist 90% of the time. John McCain is no Ronald Reagan, a Republican I could vote for. Not McCain.

Posted by: Bayclipper | September 27, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain exposed Obama for the naive, easily rattled, self-serving mollycoddled milksop that he is.

Barack Obama is very much like hillary clinton. Both are narcissistic, messianic, self-promoting, amoral, thuggish, balkanizing, vacuous, overrated. Both reflexively put self-interest above national interest. Both are sub rosa radicals, i.e., both are Saul-Alinsky acolytes.

‘Change’ was Alinsky's mantra. By ‘change’, Alinsky meant "a Marxist revolution achieved by slow, incremental, Machiavellian means accomplished through systematic deception, winning the trust of the naively idealistic middle class by using the language of morality to conceal an agenda designed to destroy it." The method: Through ‘people’s organizations’ to mobilize, agitate, foment, the 'oppressed masses' against their 'capitalist oppressors'.

Obama idolized Alinsky and implemented the Alinsky model of 'community organization,' through ACORN and the Gamaliel Foundation.

Obama, a master student of Gamaliel strategy of ideological stealth, shows disturbing signs of being a sub rosa radical himself.

"Obama's legislative tactics, as well as his persistent professions of non-ideological pragmatism, are clearly inspired by his radical mentors' most sophisticated tactics. Not only has Obama studied, taught, and apparently absorbed stealth techniques from radical groups like Gamaliel and ACORN, but in his position as a board member of Chicago’s supposedly nonpartisan Woods Fund, he quietly funneled money to his radical allies -- at the very moment he most needed their support to boost his political career.

To avoid seeming like radicals or ‘hippies left over from the sixties,’ Gamaliel organizers are careful to wear conventional clothing and conduct themselves with dignity, even formality. Since liberal social movements tend to come off as naïve and idealistic, Gamaliel organizers make a point of presenting their ideas as practical, pragmatic, and down-to-earth. When no one else is listening, Gamaliel organizers may rail at ‘racism,’ ‘sexism,’ and ‘oppressive corporate systems,’ but when speaking to their blue-collar followers, they describe their plans as ‘common sense solutions for working families."

(Sound familiar)

Anyone who doubts Obama’s debt to Saul Alinsky might want to check out the letter in the Boston Globe from no less an authority than Alinsky’s own son, L. David Alinsky.

Finally, ponder the following:

1- What, exactly, has Obama accomplished in his career other than promoting himself?

2- Why Obama has as top campaign advisors people defrauded the public even as they walked away with tens of millions from Mac-Mae.

3- Obama’s real estate deal with Vesco. Obama called it “boneheaded.” Thinking people call it “corrupt.”

4- And think about this one all you anti-war people: Obama pleaded with Iraq NOT TO CUT A DEAL CALLING FOR THE REMOVAL OF OUR TROOPS until after the election so that, presumably, he could get the credit. (Hey, what's a few more deaths.)

Obama, like the clintons, will invariably put self-interest over national interest...as opposed to McCain, whose record as a POW and senator clearly demonstrates that he will put the country and the people first.

We cannot survive another ‘clinton.’ (Indeed, we may yet not survive the first.)

Posted by: MiaT | September 27, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

"Obama won a moral victory in the debate" - a statement known Republicans. After reviewing all the arguments i agree!
Smotritet here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=u3BkNBKfqAE or here: http://tubedirect.net/index.php?q=Obama-won-debate
Highly recommended!

Posted by: kimmilous | September 27, 2008 6:05 AM | Report abuse

McCain wins the debate:

"PAID FOR BY MCCAIN/PALIN 2008"


Yeah, they'd have to pay for that one.

McCain didn't sound as crazy as I thought he would, just angry. But considering foreign policy is supposed to be his strong suit, I thought he would mention DIPLOMACY at least once.

And Pakistan was a "failed state" before President Pervez Musharraf seized power in a 1999? McCain might want to double check that. And learn how to pronounce the names of foreign leaders!!!! Ah-ma-di-ne-jad.

Posted by: idealistic | September 27, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse

McCain wins debate. Washington Post. A classic oxymoron.

Posted by: nexialist | September 27, 2008 4:59 AM | Report abuse

My point is... anybody who wants to be president in this day and age must be crazy. Seriously .

McCain is old, what's Barry's excuse?

Posted by: warnerorama | September 27, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who has noticed that there is something fishy going on with this blog right now?

In the comments page, you have an obviously ghost-written letter from someone named "LeaderDoctor" which mirrors the writing style of the ghost-letters exposed in the Salon.com article "How ghost-writing letters to the editor for the McCain Campaign works". (http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2008/09/24/mccain_letters/index.html

By way of comparison, here is the language of one of the ghost letters printed in the article:

"She brings to the Republican ticket the character, integrity, and depth of experience to produce real change in Washington. Her executive experience challenging corruption and special interests in resource-rich Alaska -- even within her own party -- produced landmark ethics reform legislation while promoting development of energy resources."

Compare that to LeaderDoctor's:

"He clearly showed that he has prepared himself well to assume the responsibilities of President. His answers were specific, forceful and knowledgeable."

Also notice how, despite the debate being over now half an hour ago, LeaderDoctor's letter contain's absolutely NO specific quotes.

And in the meantime, we have a negative ad run by the McCain Campaign flashing in the upper right corner, and Mr. Cillizza has actually allowed himself to be suckered into using "McCain wins debate" as his HEADLINE by the simple virtue that he thought it would be funny to repeat something someone spotted earlier today.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are being played here.

Posted by: Bartron | September 27, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Not only does Chris Cillizza not devote so much as five sentences on who was right in the debate, but he also lets the McCain Campaign sucker him into actually saying in his column's HEADLINE that "McCain won the debate", simply by falling for the childish trick of getting him to echo what they said in an advertisement.

Does Cillizza know how transparently he is being played?

Posted by: Bartron | September 27, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

If McCain hates government spending then why is he supporting a 700 Billion bailout plan that give CEO'S close to 10 million in bonuses? He went to DC yesterday and didn't say a word in the meeting. What a FRAUD . He's a punk , didn't look at Barack at all tonight!!! Barack took him down on the Iraq issues . Did anyone notice that MCCain said the startegy worked in Iraq, but never said what was the startegy? He s trash and I step on trash when I see it !!!

Posted by: rashant21 | September 27, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA Wins Depate. His answers were clear. All John McCain did was just try to talk junk. Does McCain realize that their is a Middle Class?????/

I don't think so.

Posted by: clickbank4cash | September 26, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Watching tonight's debate, I noticed that McCain demonstrated greater clarity in the responses. He clearly showed that he has prepared himself well to assume the responsibilities of President. His answers were specific, forceful and knowledgeable. Unfortunately for Obama, he perpetuated the same nebulous rhetoric that we have incessantly heard for months. Our country deserves a President that can clearly articulate a course of action, not one whose actions and voting record ("present"...) are ineffective and politically safe. It is easy for candidates to offer probable solutions when they control the direction of the speech on the campaign trail. However, as we noticed tonight, the life of the Presidency is about being well-informed and, more importantly, well-prepared for the challenges that we will face in the upcoming years. John McCain has given America what we needed to see for quite some time; he has given us a glimpse of one who can capably lead our country from day one.

Posted by: leaderdoctor | September 26, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

The ad doesn't surprise me. They just jumped ahead of the gun with their "unbiased" endorsement. Since the new ownership took over, The Wall Street Journal is no longer fair and balanced, and in my book, no longer has any credibility.

Posted by: jwstl | September 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

You'd expect this from the McCain campaign. But the WSJ always claims to be a stickler for the facts.

Knowingly false advertising is illegal. I'll bet taking money to run such ads when you know they're false is also illegal.

There is definitely a law against putting out paid, published advertisements that contain claims that you know to be untrue.

At least, there is such a law in all civilised countries.

Posted by: bourassa1 | September 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain BLINKED. His political stunt failed. It was a poor political theater performance.

I am looking forward to watching McLame crash and burn tonight -- just like he crashed 3 airplanes prior to going to Vietnam and being shot down (he was probably hotdogging it, flying irresponsibly when he got shot down, but go ahead and call him a hero for getting shot down).

Posted by: charcoal | September 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Hello all Dems,
Every one is in deep do do tonight. Rove is a genius, and I would like to play chess with him sometime. This is how things are going to play out. ---------------------------

Get some fresh air. Reality is better. Really.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

It looks like MSNBC has done the same thing!!!
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screencapti7.jpg

Posted by: almaline03 | September 26, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Why are you using MS Explorer?

Posted by: tomj1 | September 26, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I love the comment way above that reads:

John McCain is ... Tonya Harding!

Perfect. He's in it to win it, whatever it takes, whatever it costs (us).

Posted by: forestflyer | September 26, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Hello all Dems,

Every one is in deep do do tonight. Rove is a genius, and I would like to play chess with him sometime. This is how things are going to play out.

1 The setup..
Palin not being able to think of how Mccain changed washington one time.

2. Bush announces that we are in time of crisis. We need to do something now.

3. Paulson say he wants unfettered power to spend 700 bln of taxpayers money.

4. The dems don't want to look bad by not being bipartisan in a time for crisis but doesn't want to let one person have so much power again after all that has happened in the pass with the patriot act, war ect... The dems think that they have something to go on and start bashing mccain on his economic lack of prowess.

5 Mccain suspends his campaign to go to Washington to do nothing. Spotlight is on him everyone bashing him. Fox news hannity says I'm even believing that mccain is not worth of presidency.. Hannity says the tax payers should not be on the hook what are they doing... Same thing from Mr O'reilly.

6. The people in the US are in an uproar calling their reps and congress folks demanding a no vote on this media sells it.

7. Bush meets with Mccain and Obamma. and some house repubs I think Paul Ryan of MIN(very smart man) He say I think we can do this without putting the taxpayers at risk. Obamma I like to hear more about this.. media is kicked out.

Mccain says nothing.... More drubbing by the media.

8. campaign/Debate must go on. Tonight Mccain is going to bash the dems with saying that He went to Washington and went against the establishment or status quo to change how things were done for you people.. I'm fighting for the american people.. We stalled this thing to make sure legislation wasn't passed to put the tax payer on the hook for rushed legislation by the dems and bush..

I think this is genius by them but we have time to change the strategy.... There should be people that look into the collusion of bush Paulson and the repubs... This thing is way out of hand when they start messing with not only the us economy but the world economy...

I feel like Nostradamus's today... I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am!!!! James Beaufore... P.S. Send a copy to Mr Rove.. I really would like to play a game of chess with him....

Best Regards: James Beaufore

Posted by: jamesbeaufore | September 26, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"I just heard that his whole mission tonight is to put John MaCain on defense"

Hey, fella, I don't know what Bible-reading class you think this is, but I must inform you that this is a presidential contest, where the two candidates compete in order to win.
Any boxer, even the most honorable, will tell you that putting your opponent on defense is the whole point.

And America has very good reason to want McCain put on defense:
Otherwise the malignant GOP cancer of the last eight years gets us another four years to prolong our suffering before we are too sick to care any more.

I'm going to be big here:
I have no guarantee that the Democratic leadership is not, in its own way, just as corrupt as the GOP leadership.
But we now have at least eight years of bitter experience to learn from about today's GOP.
Eight years is a long time.
Time to give something else, something which is clearly not stupid, a chance.

Posted by: wardropper | September 26, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Even if, as is being claimed, this is just a case of the McCain camp being prepared, in the way candidates will have both a victory and concession speech prepared prior to the election, and it was WSJ's error in running it early, how do you explain the ad with a quote from Rick Davis claiming "John McCain won, hands down!" did Rick Davis also say "John McCain totally tanked!" just to be prepared for any eventuality?

Posted by: linusbern | September 26, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

This is not about winning a debate. It is about disclosing the positions, skills, and abilities to lead our nation. I would much rather see, hear, and witness the true candidates rather than campaign ads and canned Party rhetoric. To date, the hold cards are hidden in dirty campaign ads and attacks. I especially have trouble knowing anything that Mr. Obama stands for in the way of a man of any conviction or integrity. Hopefully this will be a time for him to say SOMETHING rather than framed ideals without any apparent plans beyond winning an election. As to winning or losing, we the voters/viewers are the true winners in this forum for disclosure, not these "competitors" or "combatant" debators. I for one will not vote for the best debater, but the best candidate at expressing ideas.

Posted by: willagain2007 | September 26, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmmmmm. Do ya think there was any chance of the WSJ running the ad that said "Sorry, I got my butt kicked"?
While, in fact, it probably is indeed no big deal. It is just anoher example,as previously indicated, that these folks have little room in their reality for the facts. BTW, I cannot remember another national ad of a candidate taking credit for a degate "win". That is usually left to the spin masters, not the ad agencies.
Livin' the lie, lovin' the lie.

Posted by: watchingduck | September 26, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I have read many comments here and there over recent months which express people's disbelief that Obama, in the face of the most wretched, desperate, ignorant and culpable opposition imaginable, doesn't have a two-digit lead.

My feeling is that he DOES, in fact, have that lead, but that the MSM and the leading pollsters have been instructed to bury it.

I am quite sure that even as we speak, attempts are being made by the GOP secret services committee to design a new vote-counting system which will ignore most of Obama's votes.

If that seems far-fetched, explain to me why a blithering idiot has been sitting in the White House for the last eight years.
Is it because most Americans are blithering idiots too?

That's not my experience.

Posted by: wardropper | September 26, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see someone on the same page cdj99.

Posted by: DAK28 | September 26, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

No apologist for McCain's campaign here but as reportetd elsewhere, this is a simple issue of WSJ (or its ad mgmt. people) messing up on the flight schedule for the ad. Ads are produced and set up in advance and they get circulated in w/ the other ads on the start date that someone punches into the ad. management software. Seems to mee like someone goofed. Do you honestly think the WSJ would run that ad on purpose? As for those who decry the mere fact that the ad was written in advance, grow up. This is no different than a candidate writing an acceptance speech and a concession speech speech...only one of which will be delivered at the end of the election. If the printer accidentially distributes a victory speech to the press, is the candidate a liar? Are they only allowed to write a concession speech in advance?

Posted by: cdj99 | September 26, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Hello all Dems,
Every one is in deep do do tonight. Rove is a genius, and I would like to play chess with him sometime. This is how things are going to play out. ---------------------------

Get some fresh air. Reality is better. Really.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Hello all Dems,

Every one is in deep do do tonight. Rove is a genius, and I would like to play chess with him sometime. This is how things are going to play out.

1 The setup..
Palin not being able to think of how Mccain changed washington one time.

2. Bush announces that we are in time of crisis. We need to do something now.

3. Paulson say he wants unfettered power to spend 700 bln of taxpayers money.

4. The dems don't want to look bad by not being bipartisan in a time for crisis but doesn't want to let one person have so much power again after all that has happened in the pass with the patriot act, war ect... The dems think that they have something to go on and start bashing mccain on his economic lack of prowess.

5 Mccain suspends his campaign to go to Washington to do nothing. Spotlight is on him everyone bashing him. Fox news hannity says I'm even believing that mccain is not worth of presidency.. Hannity says the tax payers should not be on the hook what are they doing... Same thing from Mr O'reilly.

6. The people in the US are in an uproar calling their reps and congress folks demanding a no vote on this media sells it.

7. Bush meets with Mccain and Obamma. and some house repubs I think Paul Ryan of MIN(very smart man) He say I think we can do this without putting the taxpayers at risk. Obamma I like to hear more about this.. media is kicked out.

Mccain says nothing.... More drubbing by the media.

8. campaign/Debate must go on. Tonight Mccain is going to bash the dems with saying that He went to Washington and went against the establishment or status quo to change how things were done for you people.. I'm fighting for the american people.. We stalled this thing to make sure legislation wasn't passed to put the tax payer on the hook for rushed legislation by the dems and bush..

I think this is genius by them but we have time to change the strategy.... There should be people that look into the collusion of bush Paulson and the repubs... This thing is way out of hand when they start messing with not only the us economy but the world economy...

I feel like Nostradamus's today... I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am!!!! James Beaufore... P.S. Send a copy to Mr Rove.. I really would like to play a game of chess with him....

Best Regards: James Beaufore

Posted by: jamesbeaufore | September 26, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this kind of like when teams that are in the Super Bowl have t-shirts printed up declaring that they are the winner? Is there anyone out there that doesn't think BO has ads just like this ready to go? This really is a NON-ISSUE. BTW, before you go declaring me a McCainite or whatever your calling them; I'm still undecided. Don't really like either truthfully. Oh yeah, I'm a Republican too...but a COMMON SENSE Republican. Yes, there's some of us still out there.

Posted by: DAK28 | September 26, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Please America. Haven’t we had ENOUGH of McCain’s unprecedented arrogance.
The response of McCain and Obama provides a vision of each candidate’s demeanor.
MaCain stumbled into crisis after crisis attempting to put out real and imaginary fires along the way.
Reminiscent of the neighborhood know-it-all, he descended on Washington just sure that only he could lead
the bailout charge demeaning the work of the bipartisan process in place. His only-I -can-get-this-right attitude polarized the Republicans to make it seem that his leadership changed everything. On the other hand, Obama worked behind the scenes talking with people, and aided in establishing standards that protect the American taxpayers. His is a global view. He respected the fellow senators who were working on the legislature. And what did we hear from McCain?

One: He had suspended his campaign, although he lied to DL, went to interviewed with KC, delivered a speech in NY, and was in the camera view all day. Sounds to me as the campaign goes on. Grandstanding.

Two: By Tuesday, he had not even read the 3-page paper about the financial crisis. What? You can suspend your entire campaign, but you did NOT read the proposal. Grandstanding.

Three: He makes a news interview where instead of talking about the issues, he says he’s a pilot that makes decisions quickly and lives to regret them. Grandstanding.

Fourth: We hear that when he gets into the room, he talks for 5-7 minutes, but no one has any idea what he said. Wondering, has he read the paper yet? Grandstanding.

Fifth: As he makes news interview after news interview, he criticizes Obama for the ones that reporters ask of him. Grandstanding.

Sixth: It’s inappropriate that McCain seems to be relishing in the media after stating that this was not part of the campaign. His smiling face when the news cameras are on the President’s meeting is so telling. Everyone else in the meeting was serious. He looked like the cat that had swallowed the pet fish, but had nothing to add. Grandstanding.

Seventh: And NOW, it does not matter that senators are working around the clock to create a reasonable plan, McCain thinks he is going to take CREDIT for the bill passing. Grandstanding.

Eighth: Just watch the next few days, he will take credit. Grandstanding.


I am fatigued, disgusted, and petrified over the possibility of McCain’s leadership. We’ve barely survived the last eight years, and look where our country is today. I am sick of GRANDSTANDING.
I want thoughtful, respectful leadership. PLEASE America….OBAMA 08

Posted by: Miss_Miss | September 26, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO!! That ad is hysterical!! Thanks, Johnny Boy. I needed a good, side-splitting laugh today. :)

Posted by: Emily223 | September 26, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh sure, it was "accidentally" leaked by the WSJ. The same guy that owns Fox News. I smell a rat.

Posted by: ohcomeon | September 26, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's amazing that anybody is surprised. This group has never let the truth interfer with reality, campaigning or a good story. I wonder how they reconcile everything the have done and said in the past month with "Thou shall not bear false witness".
Also, just for the record, there is no doubt McCain was going to show up for this debate. The whole thing was just another staged publicity stunt. The strategy is to keep the media off the issues.
Did you notice McCain in the video of the big economic meeting at the WH? He has his big toothy grin going, meanwhile, everybody else in the room looks like they are at a funeral. He says nothing; his presence is a waste; in fact, it now comes out that he didn't even bother to read the 3 page proposal. What a guy, when the chips are down. It is becoming so apparent that he is an empty suit and Palin is worse. Very scary.

Posted by: watchingduck | September 26, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: commonsense28 | September 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I just heard that his whole mission tonight is to put John MaCain on defense? What kind of a teenager is that? I thought his position was that somehow he was different that he was "ABOVE" the same old same old,


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I find it fascinating how McCainites get their jockey shorts in a twist over something that hasn't even happened, like the charmer who wrote the above.

The fact is that Obama has never made a personal attack against McCain or Palin; he has only attacked their policies or politics.

Whereas the McCain camp, esp Palin, has consistently attacked Obama personally.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I am dismayed by the ignorance posted by supporters of McCain are they truth seekers are just blindly following this man to the gates of hell and taking one for the good ole Republican Party that none of the candidates want to be associated with. It is just to baffling to me I cannot figure out if these people are ruthless like McCain and will do and say anything for their candidate to win or if they are just plain evil.. McCain is not an honest man nor is he putting country first and I am just sickened by the games that he is playing.

Posted by: sabrina2 | September 26, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The ad states, "Paid for by McCain-Palin 2008" There is a trail of money here to prove McCain placed this ad. WSJ took money to place it -- they don't do ads for free. And, if the placed ad says Paid for by McCain-Palin 2008 and it wasn't paid for by them, the WSJ wouldn't have taken the ad.

This isn't Axelrod, people, no matter how much you want to believe it.

It's just one more piece of lying garbage from the Liar in Chief, McCain.

Posted by: Len_RI | September 26, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I really want to know when obamamma will STOP THE ATTACK ads, and the vile that continues to flow from his mouth---- I just heard that his whole mission tonight is to put John MaCain on defense? What kind of a teenager is that? I thought his position was that somehow he was different that he was "ABOVE" the same old same old,
he's no different --- he thinks we are stupid and can't figure out what he is doing...

Posted by: rockandrollinthemidwest | September 26, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Who is John McCain?

Tonya Harding.

John McCain is Tonya Harding.

Stay with me!

"I can't go to the debate-- look! My laces broke!"

Yes, Senator, your laces have broken. You secured your footing in
domestic policy, with the theory that deregulation and tax breaks to
the wealthy would sustain and nurture the country's economy. And lo
and behold, the theory has snapped like a cheap shoelace. I'm
really just as disappointed and surprized as you are!

And those bad, bad boys on Wall Street-- those "Galloolies", if you
will-- I know you really didn't know they were capable of such greed
and violence towards the innocent! It's like they took an iron bar
and started whacking at the kneecaps of Lady Liberty. It's
insanity! Yes, you have been supported by those Galloolies and of
course you've shown them love in the past, but you really knew
nothing about this whole mess they've made.

But don't worry Sen. McCain. America is strong. Americans have
elected their best and brightest to Congress-- these people could
have been making much more money on Wall Street (I mean, WOW!) but
out of public service and a belief that they can make the country
great for their fellow Americans, I am confident that they will come
together to make sure that this gets fixed up. That the next time a
Galloolie comes running up on Lady Liberty, she'll at least have
some notice to plant a strong kick in the tuckus on the goon.

Now I know you want to stay in Washington to help fix the mess. You
feel responsible. That's understandible.

But if you just can't find it in yourself to relace up those skates
and get out there and campaign again like the great presidential
candidate you most certainly are, maybe you can hand off your skates
to Gov. Palin. Let her get into that debate. When you are
President, she will need to fill in for you repeatedly in this
crazy, topsy-turvey world, and America needs to know that if you are
unavailable, Vice President Palin will be strong, secure and savvy
to protect America and America's allies. The debate tonight will
mostly be about foriegn policy-- an area that America is most
hesitant regarding Gov. Palin (and Sen Obama), so this will be a
perfect opportunity for her to really shine in that one area of
uncertainty. Show that she isn't really triyng to start a war with good old "Rearing Head" Putin. (Darn that wily Katie Courik!)

Plus, she can ask Senator Obama why he isn't doing his job back in
Washington (oops, never mind, seems like he has been in Washington
whenever the President or other members of Congress think his
presence is needed, but he is otherwise delegating/
respecting/leaving it to the experts to work on the bail-out. That
actually sounds pretty reasonable, rather Presidential, even).

Anyway, I hear the music starting up and the Zamboni has cleared the
ice. America awaits your performance with baited breath . . . .


Posted by: captiolhillmom | September 26, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"the fact that they wrote it early is the real point"

Well let's see. Ads take time to make, Ads need to be scheduled in advance, copies of said ads need to be sent to the advertisers.

Trying to make something out of this is beyond silly. Do you seriously believe Obama doesn't already have his ads made up?

Posted by: SayWhat8 | September 26, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"So I have to ask....why are we even talking about an "Obama Economic Plan" that Obama is already positioning himself to abandon?"

It's called COMMON SENSE. I know it's hard to recognize, because we haven't seen it from a politician in a long time.

Senator Obama's stating the freakin' obvious.

Two wars. Wall Street greed. Executive and legislative leadership that refuses to implement oversight.

Something's gotta give. And it's ususally tax cuts.

Posted by: dailyfare | September 26, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

This is a perfect example of lie often, lie big. They start the bogus news before it happens.

Posted by: spencer911 | September 26, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

You guys are idiots - who do you think planted that ad? Do you honestly think McCain's camp would do that? It's Axelrod Astroturf at it again, trying to replicate Bush's Mission Accomplished moment. Don't be so gullible.

-------------------------

Wow.

The right-wingers are twisting themselves around so much to bend reality they look like pretzels on steroids.

The stink of failure is in the air and the repubs are kissing the corpse desperate for any sign of life.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

gaelgirl: I hate to break it to you, but it is a McCain ad, accidently leaked early. the fact that they wrote it early is the real point. but like everything else in the campaign, since the facts don't matter, why not write the analysis before the event? you will say what you want anyway, so why even let the truth distract you?

Posted by: JoeT1 | September 26, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

There the McCain camp goes again, counting chickens before they are hatched! Mission Accomplished indeed!

Keep running your mouth Mccain and keep making those political moves you have been doing.

America will really see what you are and people will have no choice but to vote for the best man, the only man Barack Obama!

Go Obama!

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | September 26, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

hmmm. perhaps mccain's plan is more of the same, which has been a stunning success don't you agree?

Posted by: l_in_nm | September 26, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised if they already have ads ready to go claiming Palin won her debate to. Perhaps next time they'll be organized enough not to air them early (or to send "campaign suspension" talking points to the wrong people!)

Posted by: XMEE | September 26, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

still waiting for mccain's "sensible" alternative. i imagine ending the war would save a lot of money as well?

Posted by: l_in_nm | September 26, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

l_in_nm:

And just a small point to add: Obama has already said in the past two weeks that he may have to 1) delay some of his promised tax increases on the evil greedy rich people, and 2) delay or "reconsider" some of the programs he's been touting the past few months.

So I have to ask....why are we even talking about an "Obama Economic Plan" that Obama is already positioning himself to abandon?

Posted by: dbw1 | September 26, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

For all you nay-sayers, Reuters now reports that McCain spokesperson Brian Rogers admits that the WSJ "made a mistake" (i.e., it ran their premature victory ad early).

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/09/26/mccain-to-attend-debate-web-ad-claims-victory-already/

Posted by: carstena | September 26, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

l_in_nm:

You are confusing "plan" with "dream". Let me help: I "dream" of driving my car to the moon, which is as realistic as Obama's economic "plan".

You see, Obama can "plan" all he wants to shift $1 trillion dollars a year of tax burden to corporations and the wealthiest Americans, thereby giving them an effective 50% increase compared to the taxes they already pay.

The fact is, it won't happen as written (which is why the taxpolicycenter had to plug some 'assumptions' to even estimate the impact of his "plan", since it was incomplete). If Obama were ever to try to implement his "plan", investment capital would flee the country to safer and more profitable havens.

See, liberals like yourself don't understand that tax policy changes behavior. For instance, if a company made $1 billion last year, you think Obama can take half of their profits away via a tax increase and the company will happily roll along and only make $500 million next year and turn over $500 million to the government, and it won't impact their prices, employment, etc.

If Obama raises taxes to the extent he would have to in order to achieve all his promises, the tax base he thinks he's going to raise taxes on would shrink....thereby shifting the taxes right back on middle class Americans like myself.

His promised tax cuts will never happen. But you can keep following the Pied Piper and pretend "math" doesn't work, though...

Posted by: dbw1 | September 26, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

barkway, you are so naive. Axelrod is out there, pulling every trick in the book - dirty and dirtier! He is suing TV stations for running anti-Obama ads, trying to disrupt radio shows exposing BO soundbites, he is petitioning the Dept of Justice to penalize Stanley Kurtz who is (like a real journalist) uncovering more and more disgusting truth about Obama/Ayers every day). Axelrod and Obama are Chicago thug politicians. ACORN (BO mentor and supporter) is under indictment for voter registration fraud. Obama's campaign tried to pay off people in order to open early voting sites that they would control. Illegal? Who cares? This is the Obama machine in action. You don't think he beat Hillary by playing nice. He is the consummate actor and the Mr Peaceman act is a big sham.

Posted by: gaelgirl | September 26, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it was planted by those bastions of truth - the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth creeps - getting a little taste of their own bile.

Posted by: 10emlet | September 26, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

You guys are idiots - who do you think planted that ad? Do you honestly think McCain's camp would do that? It's Axelrod Astroturf at it again, trying to replicate Bush's Mission Accomplished moment. Don't be so gullible. And to the ignoramus who is offended at being told what to think about who won? What do you think the media does every day, "reporting" its version of the news? I'll never forget watching Norm Schwartkopf's briefings with CNN, and then listening to the talking heads try to tell me what I just heard. Hilarious!!!

Posted by: gaelgirl | September 26, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

also, it would be really absurd for a football team to proclaim themselves victors prior to a game they claimed they were not going to play out of respect for some national crisis. we would all know that their refusal to play was just an act, and they intended to do so all along.

Posted by: l_in_nm | September 26, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Sounds exactly like the presidential election between Republican New York Governor Thomas Dewey and Vice President Harry Truman. Some idiot newspaper actually ran a night edition with a full-page headline reading, DEWEY WINS. In the morning, a photo of the victorious, smiling Truman holding the newspaper with its erroneous headline ran front page on every newspaper in America. Deajavu all over again.
Jerry Mazza, NYC,
old enough to know.

Posted by: washingtonpostal1 | September 26, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Sounds exactly like the presidential election between Republican New York Governor Thomas Dewey and Vice President Harry Truman. Some idiot newspaper actually ran a night edition with a full-page headline reading, DEWEY WINS. In the morning, a photo of the victorious, smiling Truman holding the newspaper with its erroneous headline ran front page on every newspaper in America. Deajavu all over again.
Jerry Mazza, NYC,
old enough to know.

Posted by: washingtonpostal1 | September 26, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Sounds exactly like the presidential election between Republican New York Governor Thomas Dewey and Vice President Harry Truman. Some idiot newspaper actually ran a night edition with a full-page headline reading, DEWEY WINS. In the morning, a photo of the victorious, smiling Truman holding the newspaper with its erroneous headline ran front page on every newspaper in America. Deajavu all over again.
Jerry Mazza, NYC,
old enough to know.

Posted by: washingtonpostal1 | September 26, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Folks, the dog is dead. He was wagged to death.

Posted by: 10emlet | September 26, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

attempted usurping...spin rather than substance. it would be absurd to proclaim a given football team victors in an ad in the sport's section a day before the game. the dangerous difference is that in a football game the outcome is indisputable. in an election, it is just public perception, and running ads declaring victory for oneself takes spin to a whole other level. the media has been negligent and largely bases talking points on what the candidates claim, rather than facts. such an ad should never be allowed.

Posted by: l_in_nm | September 26, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, we've established the man is a fool. Now we just have to establish to what degree and if he needs to be treated or commited.

Posted by: 10emlet | September 26, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The determination of victory has been usurped from the public? How is that?

I don't know about you but I'll decide for myself as to who "won". I could care less who the news said won, or the campaigns said won.

Has the determination of super bowl winners been usurped because the team made superbowl champion hats prior to the game being played?

Posted by: SayWhat8 | September 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: l_in_nm | September 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

the truth is, obama needs McCain because obama doesn't have a clue...still have not heard anything about obamas plan...that is if he has one which I doubt....

Posted by: DwightHCollins | September 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

In the debate of flim flam, he is a clear winner.

Posted by: normanx | September 26, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe it was just faked.

Its really not hard to pull something like that off..

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6465/barackwinsef7.jpg

Posted by: CJ85 | September 26, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

John McCain just won a debate he did not participate in, and tried not to participate in.

A lot better than the debates he does participate in and loses resoundingly, like the "Federal Bailout" and "Comprehensive Immigration Reform".

Maybe we can let the old coot be deluded in to thinking he's won the White House by keeping his campaign suspended.

Posted by: mabkhar | September 26, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It is relevant because campaigns have deteriorated to such an extent that even the determination of victory has been usurped from the public, or at least McCain hopes that it has been.

Posted by: l_in_nm | September 26, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

If this was faked -- a dirty trick to make WaPo and CC look bad -- you took the bait.

Watch out for "astute readers" bearing gifts, Chris.

Now here's a question to ponder...

TARGETING OF AMERICANS BY GOV'T AGENCIES
A ROOT CAUSE OF WALL STREET MELTDOWN?

Once again, Congress is being asked to rush through emergency legislation -- to cede effective control of the economy to the government.

Officials continue to blame lax lending policies on the part of the mortgage industry for spawning this crisis. But were lenders ORDERED to offer "easy credit" to people "targeted" by government agencies?

Is government "targeting" of American citizens a root cause of the mortgage meltdown that spawned the broader financial crisis?

Consider this:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis OR
members.nowpublic.com/scrivener


Posted by: scrivener50 | September 26, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It says paid for by McCain/Palin. Come on, they'd say they won the debate no matter HOW it went.

Posted by: uniquemypost | September 26, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain declares "victory" before the debate.

Is this also his definition of "victory" in Iraq?

Posted by: desertwillow | September 26, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I guess I missing why this is even slightly relevant.

Both sides are going to claim they won and both sides have their ad campaigns planned proclaiming said victory. Most likely they had them planned for weeks now. Someone messed up at the advertising company (WSJ or whoever does the ads for their site) and it was shown early.

Running on about how this proves something about McCain is silly and only proves your own confirmation bias.

Posted by: SayWhat8 | September 26, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

What a weak story. It's not like he made up some Presidential Seal or something.

Posted by: zoo2 | September 26, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

YIKES! My bad... it was the Wall Street Journal. Sorry, you cut out the name of the newspaper when you took a screenshot.

Posted by: caseymckinnon | September 26, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I blame the Washington Post for allowing an ad like that to be placed on their site. This is false advertising. If the Washington Post doesn't have control over the ads that are placed on the site, they should get in contact with the ad agency that authorized this banner to inform them that they have no tolerance for false advertising... especially in such a delicate time in politics. This is unacceptable.

Posted by: caseymckinnon | September 26, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Being a software developer, I know it is super easy to have one variable off which publishes banners, send thousands of e-mails, take down a web site, etc and the banners definitely have to be prepared a head of time whether they are used or not; however, I do think this shows that the entire campaign - from McCain down to the Junior Web Developer - has a lack of quality assurance and organization that supports good policy, legislation, and in general, good world standing.

Was McCain 2000 - not anymore - Obama 08!

Posted by: andrewhere | September 26, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Your love's gone cold,
All my thoughts are really old,
My VP is the centerfold,
VP is the centerfold.

[apologies to J. Geils Band]

So uh, "Dewey Beats Truman", huh?

Posted by: braultrl | September 26, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Before the start of Presidential Debate left eye McCain pulled again! Opertators done anything to this, no one noticed, but a couple of frames from the left eye, McCain will still come on the air!
Watch here: http://tubedirect.net/index.php?q=left-eye-McCain-pulled-again
It now, all this is not funny

Posted by: kimmilous | September 26, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Down here in the knobs we'd call this "countin' yer chickens 'fore they hatch."

Posted by: kttn | September 26, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

How sure can we be though that this is not a hoax?

It has to be right? No campaign is that stupid... right??

Posted by: Kumnee | September 26, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

This demonstrates that for Republicans image is more important than reality. It is not appropriate to place an ad on a news site either before or after a debate that he claimed may or may not happen proclaiming victory when the determination of victory is the publics' alone. McCain needs to stop trying to manipulate the American public, set forth his views and the views of his running mate, and run a sane, consistent campaign. He has clearly lost his mind.

Posted by: l_in_nm | September 26, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

That's funny. First he wants to cancel the debate within a few hours after a poll comes out that reflects him negatively; then he ditches an interview on Letterman because he "has to go to DC" to handle a financial crisis of which he knows nothing about, but INSTEAD goes to a Katie Couric interview; he eventually gets to DC but too late to actually do anything because the other Senators who've been addressing this issue (ya know, the people who are actually active in this issue unlike McCain who has no experience with it) are already dealing with it; so what does he do?? He goes to a very long lunch at an expensive restaurant. And now apparently he already won the debate that hasn't happened yet, that almost didn't happen at all because he got too scared to face a real leader who knows how to multi-task?

He has become a floundering baffoon. I had respect for him in 2000 before the religious right-wingers broke him while on his path to become President, but now... he's a shell of a worthless man with nothing to stand for and no self-respect and VERY little respect from his colleagues who actually know him. Maybe tonight he'll show his anger management issues like he has in past public events. But I suppose there are idiots in our country who think that would make him a good president, too.

Pathetic. This is how Presidents are chosen?? Our forefathers would role over in their graves...

Posted by: valamondo | September 26, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

That's funny. First he wants to cancel the debate within a few hours after a poll comes out that reflects him negatively; then he ditches an interview on Letterman because he "has to go to DC" to handle a financial crisis of which he knows nothing about, but INSTEAD goes to a Katie Couric interview; he eventually gets to DC but too late to actually do anything because the other Senators who've been addressing this issue (ya know, the people who are actually active in this issue unlike McCain who has no experience with it) are already dealing with it; so what does he do?? He goes to a very long lunch at an expensive restaurant. And now apparently he already won the debate that hasn't happened yet, that almost didn't happen at all because he got too scared to face a real leader who knows how to multi-task?

He has become a floundering baffoon. I had respect for him in 2000 before the religious right-wingers broke him while on his path to become President, but now... he's a shell of a worthless man with nothing to stand for and no self-respect and VERY little respect from his colleagues who actually know him. Maybe tonight he'll show his anger management issues like he has in past public events. But I suppose there are idiots in our country who think that would make him a good president, too.

Pathetic. This is how Presidents are chosen?? Our forefathers would role over in their graves...

Posted by: valamondo | September 26, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

That's funny. First he wants to cancel the debate within a few hours after a poll comes out that reflects him negatively; then he ditches an interview on Letterman because he "has to go to DC" to handle a financial crisis of which he knows nothing about, but INSTEAD goes to a Katie Couric interview; he eventually gets to DC but too late to actually do anything because the other Senators who've been addressing this issue (ya know, the people who are actually active in this issue unlike McCain who has no experience with it) are already dealing with it; so what does he do?? He goes to a very long lunch at an expensive restaurant. And now apparently he already won the debate that hasn't happened yet, that almost didn't happen at all because he got too scared to face a real leader who knows how to multi-task?

He has become a floundering baffoon. I had respect for him in 2000 before the religious right-wingers broke him while on his path to become President, but now... he's a shell of a worthless man with nothing to stand for and no self-respect and VERY little respect from his colleagues who actually know him. Maybe tonight he'll show his anger management issues like he has in past public events. But I suppose there are idiots in our country who think that would make him a good president, too.

Pathetic. This is how Presidents are chosen?? Our forefathers would role over in their graves...

Posted by: valamondo | September 26, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain is unreal. I just got back from a meeting with three staunch Republicans who think he's a nut job. They thought Palin was beyond a nut job. One said he's voting Obama who he likened to Tiger Woods as a supreme professional, one leaning, the other no way he'll stay home.

Posted by: johnbsmrk | September 26, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

What continues to baffle me is that millions of Americans are still going to vote for McSame. This must be what mass delusion looks like. No matter how partisan one is, the embarrassment of John McSame simply has to be obvious to all.

Posted by: DavidMichaelSmith | September 26, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Now this, I find amazing. There were people who honestly believed Senator McCain would not show up for the debate? When he clearly thinks that his ability to sway the people with his brilliant rhetoric is his strongest attribute?

The man has taken self-delusion to a zen-like level.

Posted by: Oregonpsaltseller | September 26, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

@markinaustin

There was no "Debate on the Debate". Obama called McSame's bluff and McSame blinked. As to your prior post, the Republican minority in a minority is derailing a Bush Administration plan that is supposed to alleviate a very bad Crisis. If you do not believe there is a Crisis say do and your candidate should do the same. The Republican minority in a minority are unrecconstructed Goldwaterites and just wish to cause mischief. Their number will be way fewer in the next Congress.

Posted by: adhardwick | September 26, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Shocking. Hubris. Sort of like an Obama Presidential coin or an Obama Presidential seal or the Greek columns! Indignity is so one sided here.

Posted by: Von123 | September 26, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

No matter how badly McSame does in the debate, the people who trust and believe in him and in Sarah Palin will continue to support them. Nothing, not McCain's refusal to support veterans with his vote against body armor and vet benefits, his "put country last" desperate pick of unqualified Palin as VP, not even the crisis on Wall Street caused by Republican-led deregulation, is breaking through their shortsighted perspective. Many people will continue to vote against their own economic interests and convince themselves that “maverick” McCain will suddenly reverse his record of voting for BushCo polices and start protecting regular Americans.

In their eyes, McCain HAS already won the debate. Because they’re just not going to open their eyes to reality.

Posted by: newtc | September 26, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd be careful on this one. It appears as though it may be a hoax. Perhaps the McCain campaign, or someone with too much time on their hands, is trying to bait the Dems into overreacting to this ad. I'd just approach this story with caution. If it turns out not to be a hoax, then "oh my, the McCain folks are really losin' it!"

Posted by: fiffermn | September 26, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

This ad was apparently placed by a "suspended" campaign at a time when the candidate was claiming that he didn't know if he'd attend the debate. Overt dishonesty. Pathetic gimmick.

Posted by: jmls1 | September 26, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

My response to McCain's proclamation: http://is.gd/3bdU

Posted by: datn | September 26, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And I imagine Mark Halperin (TIME) has already decided McCain "Won the Week!"

Posted by: merelymyopinion | September 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope they do not post the P"alin wins" headline too early - I don't think she will actually show up on Oct 2 - She'll step down to spend more time with her family or some such. "Romney wins" is a more "accurate" prefabricated headline.

Posted by: JamesT4 | September 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Josiwe,
the real story here is that those ads would be an insult to the electorate at any time. The early release just drives the point home.

Posted by: wiener78 | September 26, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

i'm surprised that there are still people out there who can even view ads on the internet. lrn2internet.

Posted by: aphex07 | September 26, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, not hard to figure is a "for real", just let out too early but could be spun that is figured HE WON THE DEBATE TO HAVE A DEBATE OR NOT..He showed up in DC (thou never did truly suspend his campaign nor wonk bipartisanly unless he figures that with Lieberman as his side shadow , that counts as working bipartisanly...) He FORCED Obama into position of having to stop his FLorida prepping and fly to DC by getting the present POUTUS to issue an invite of which few can PC refuse..Then with grandstanding accomplished, etc and thing s NOT going all that well, well, getting caught that some had caught on that he had zilch to offer to the "delicate negotiations be attemptd non partisanly and as not on any of those committee's that are directly negotiating and etc...uh, best to show capable of mulit-tasking a bit and hence, grabbing Rudy G and his Judy hopped the private jet to zip down to Ol' Miss after all the trouble and expnese of setting up for a debate, best to actually attend.
Watching the full discombobulation of one who at least had held respect for prior service /etc is NOT pretty not even with valid reasons for NOT being able to support him due to his positions on various pertinent items/issues. Truly tragic on many levels, quite pathetic and duly noted and noticeable.

Posted by: Bozly54 | September 26, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

This is totally meaningless. No matter the outcome of the debate his handlers will call it a win. If he had skipped the debate they would have called that deicision a win. If he stroked out in the middle of the debate it would be a win somehow. They might as well get the adds touting Palin winning her debate up there too.

Posted by: deliver_US | September 26, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Just wait till after the debate when Fox News has their Town Hall reaction where they will ask people "So what do you think - "How did John McCain perform in the debate and how do you think Obama will recover his poor showing." Like a scene from Blazing Saddles.

Posted by: bfjam | September 26, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain won the debate - that debate between Monday's McCain vs Tuesday's vs Wednesdays, ad infinitum.

Pick a McCain-of-the-Day and you have an endless variation of themes throughout the time span, even within a single day.

That way, when something happens (or doesn't), he can point to a particular statement which supports his current position.

Posted by: can8tiv | September 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112 wrote: "Then why did Chris write: "if you believe an Internet ad ...." Why write that if he trusts his source??"

You are having trouble with reading comprehension. Chris's clear meaning is that if you trust an Internet ad, McCain has won the debate. He didn't say "if you trust my reader, this ad appeared on the WSJ."

Got it?

No wonder you guys think Palin makes sense.

Posted by: nodebris | September 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The poster at 2:14PM was not me.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | September 26, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Meh...even if the consensus was that he lost, his campaign would still put out these ads.

Posted by: Krazijoe | September 26, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

This confirms to me the last week or so that Senator McCain who likes to shoot from the hip is not the man I want as president. He shoots first thinks afterword. Mean while the country is falling apart. I worried about his judgement when he picked Ms. Palin because she is scary. This this going down to Washington like he is Mr. Smith. Somewhere along the line McCain has lost his honor. He needs to go back to one of his homes to find it. Shame for making this most important issue a photo op.

Posted by: jamillraney | September 26, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain did win the debate on the Debate.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 26, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

WHY THIS IS A NON-STORY:

I am a hardcore Obama supporter. Nevertheless, this really is a non-story.

I am a software developer. Let me explain what Occam's Razor suggests happened:

The McCain campaign prepared generic "we won" ads to go up after the debate. They submitted these ads ahead of time, _as_they_had_to, and somebody at the advertising company accidentally/on-purpose set the ad's status to "live" a day early.

In order to get the most out of the ads, they need to be launched a few minutes after the debate airs; this is why they must set up the ads ahead of time. Of course, this does suggest that they intend to spin the debate no matter what happens, but not even a this campaign would be foolish enough to commit such a gaffe intentionally.

Posted by: Josiwe | September 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"OBAMA TO BE SWORN IN - WINS ELECTION BY LANDSLIDE!" - Should be Obama's new ad next to McCains fabricated BS

Posted by: Chicano | September 26, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cilizza was just on w/ Andrea Mitchell and said he knew the "reader" who forwarded this -- it wasn't just a random reader and there's been no denial from the McCain camp or the WSJ that this is true.

---------------

Then why did Chris write: "if you believe an Internet ad ...."

Why write that if he trusts his source??

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I thought the name of the game was lowering expectations!

McCain has really doubled down on this debate. By pretending not to show up, and now this gimmicky ad, he has made the debate a make-or-break moment for him.

If he "wins" the debate, it might propel him into a slight lead that he can coast to victory. If he loses (and I put my money on unflappable Obama), then he will fall about 7 points behind in the polls.

RCP has Obama up by 4 points. That's the baseline for the 4 debates. If McCain can pick up 3 points or more, it's a tossup election. If Obama picks up any points at all, then this will be an election night more like the elections from 1980 to 1996 than the 1976, 2000 and 2004 elections.

Posted by: AxelDC | September 26, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

To ceojulie: So now the bloody communists have destroyed the US and the American way of life??? Are you nuts??? Hahahahahaha!!
Bush bankrupted all his previous enterprises and now he managed to bankrupt the US. I'd rather be a communist right now than being a Republican... You want four more years of this??? Go for it!

Posted by: macky55 | September 26, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cilizza was just on w/ Andrea Mitchell and said he knew the "reader" who forwarded this -- it wasn't just a random reader and there's been no denial from the McCain camp or the WSJ that this is true. LIAR... John McCain is a pathetic liar. Let's see, in the course of 11 days the foundations of the economy was strong, then it was in crisis, he was against the AIG bailout then he was for it, he wasn't going to debate unless a deal was hammered down but now he's on his way to Mississippi AND he's already declared victory ... hands down. Seems to me I've seen a banner like that somewhere ... "Mission Accomplished?" Rofl ... the McCain campaign is in disarray, Sarh Palin is on TV showing herself to be a dangerously naive choice and the nation is in a crisis that calls for a steady, brilliant hand. No way, no how, no McCain, no Palin.

Posted by: Omyobama | September 26, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Some of you do not understand how advertisements work on web sites. You can visit a page a dozen times, and a dozen times there could be a totally different add in the same space.

So, a screen shot is the only way to record the actual viewing of the ad. Unless McCain's people acted quickly and pulled.

Of course, it could be a hoax. But where is the news in that. Just about anything you see on your computer screen can be easily manipulated.

Posted by: jreesnc | September 26, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

We'll find out tomorrow if its real or not, if they paid for the ad, it'll probably show up then. That is unless they decide to eat the ad, pay for it anyways, and have them not put it on the site.

If it was a coup, it was a good one, because it puts the Dem's in a win/win situation.

Posted by: spiritof9planes | September 26, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Why wait to lie, when you can get it out of the way early?

Posted by: thrh | September 26, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Is this man a joke, or what? It is possible to go from hero to disgraced joke - McCain proves it every day....

Posted by: chop1 | September 26, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Just more Repugnant Posturing.

It won't matter how it actually turns out they will spread and spin whatever they want, regardless of its relationship to reality!

They're all just a joke! Unfortunately too many Americans are working for them to become the major joke on this country.

Wonder why I am not laughing!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: vgirl1 | September 26, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

listen, after every stunt, trickery, hail mary, gamble that have been performed by the McCain campaign... NADA surprises me anymore. I have only one mantra from here on:

NO MORE DRAMA for America !

Posted by: nerakami | September 26, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112:

I think you are setting the bar a little out of reach if you expect a Washington Post journalist to 'act responsibly'.

The Washington Post editorial policy:
- amateur photoshop masquerading as a McCain ad? PRINT IT!
- rumor on a blog that Trig is really Sarah's grandson? PRINT IT!
- unfounded rumor of a McCain affair? PRINT IT!
- evidence of John Edwards affair? Hold up....it just wouldn't be responsible to print that until he comes out and says "hey guys, it's really true!". I mean, that's a personal matter.

Posted by: dbw1 | September 26, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually, in this case it should be: "Aim, fire, ready..."

Posted by: johnsonc2 | September 26, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

so whats the problem-you can just go ahead and forward this to CNN and Fox who will use it verbatim, should be no problem that it hasn't happened yet, you know the usual spin. McCrazy's head will spin in all directions and spew pea soup and they will call it inspired. Obama will make thoughtful, intelligent remarks and they will say he lacks passion...blah blah blah.

Posted by: logicaldog1 | September 26, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

ahahahahaha nsabetus! you are an idiot!

Posted by: tiffnicole | September 26, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Nice! Glad to see that the McCain spinmeisters are locked and loaded. "Ready, fire, aim!"

Posted by: johnsonc2 | September 26, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Well why didn't they tell us this on Monday? Then McPinhead wouldn't have had to "suspend" his campaign.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | September 26, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

No sugar, we are talking about photoshopping the ad and the WSJ page together. Easy enough to do.

Although Chris DID qualify this ad by saying "if you believe..." it's stil an irresponsible bit of journalism not to verify. Because if it is bogus, why post this in the first place?

Act responsibly, Chris.
Verify or retract.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

notice the screenshot has a powerpoint window open, hmmm.

Posted by: ohcomeon | September 26, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if it is real or photoshopped?

If people think this is the first time that something has "gone to print" before it was setup to do so they are smoking something.

It is a campaign ad. What else would a McCain ad say? "I lost the debate to that empty suit that said Uhh 400 times."

Ads are paid for in advance, and run on time tables. This one ran early. Big whoop.

Posted by: Voidseeker | September 26, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

anyone that seriously believes this is a media controlled lemming.

Please people, get some common sense.

Posted by: ohcomeon | September 26, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

What the heck do you people think, of course it's "photoshopped" whoever put the ad together HAD to use an image editing program to create it!

Posted by: JRM2 | September 26, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Not that I have any reason to believe that the McCain campaign (after what I've seen over this week) would be above doing something like this, but this is simply way too easy to PhotoShop. In fact, forget PhotoShop; you can mock this up with MicroSoft Paint.

Posted by: ComfortablyDumb | September 26, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain behaves like a rascal. He's full of pranks and gambits, and without humility, he constantly draws attention to his virtue of 'putting country first'. A really selfless person would actually put country first and go about it without blaring the trumpet as MCCain does.

Many before him have served and sacrificed for this country and never yet brayed about it and putting country first. What a rascal!

Posted by: weekesm | September 26, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I really think that this is photoshopped. All the ads in that spot are commercial ads, no political ads, and the picture in the screen-shot is just not even worth the cost for the placement. Also, there seems to be a narrow line on the right side above the picture when you are looking at the screenshot in it's original size.

Not a McCain supporter, but really ... they do enough to themselves without us having to photoshop additional screw-ups for them.

Posted by: Masquerade1 | September 26, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

hahahahaha. No show to winning the debate all before the debate is scheduled to take place. Another McCain style stunt!
To nsabetus: yeah ok. Your assumptions based on umm,,NOTHING will come true in the dream you are having. LOL! The rest of the country has woken up

Posted by: idiotsanti | September 26, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious Chris? Do you really call yourself a journalist. I could create an ad like this in about 15 minutes using photoshop. Amazing the "sources" you use nowadays to spread rumors. At the very least you should have at least two unique screenshots from different people, but again I have two computers! America really is going downhill.

Posted by: DaveC1980 | September 26, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

you guys crack me up...

it's not possible it's photoshopped, because NO Obama support would do such a thing...

put it in the Internet echo chamber (see the "digg this" post above, and someone will believe it (the "big lie", or in this case the "little lie" theory)

I expected more of the Washington Post than this - obviously my mistake.

Posted by: TxSaintFan | September 26, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason why the communist party, the socialist party and the marxist society has endorsed Obama. The US just changed and is changing from democracy to being a socialist society. With the bailout and the way the dems want to give money 20% of the $700 Billion dollars to ACORN (communists) then the end of the US as we have known will have effectively vanished. So all those who vote for Leftwing radical Obama please know that you have destory democracy and the American way of life.

Posted by: ceojuliej | September 26, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse


why do i feel like i'm in high school again?

...it is painfully and embarrassingly apparent that mccain is myopic in his perception of himself and clueless to the bigger picture...so very immature with this constant and never-ending "what about me? what about me?"...franks had it en pointe with the "mighty mouse" reference...

...country first, my ass...that he doesn't realize what an absolute fool he has become must be most frustrating for his staff, an embarrassment and constant grimace for the republicans and a source of bemused amazement to his critics...and, it is absolutely unacceptable behavior coming from someone whose hopes are to run the free world.

my first thoughts are this...what if obama had pulled some of these ridiculous stunts?...he'd be out the door...regardless of party affiliation, why is there not an en masse "what is wrong with you?" moment?

do we really want a campaign out there that is run like a craps game?...is this an indication of what is to come if he, by some insane stroke of luck, not merit, he wins?

enough of his war survivor(not hero) pow creds...the man has shown himself to be a liar, a manipulator, dishonorable and erratic...he doesn't give me the warm fuzzies or the solace and hope and foundation i want, or need, to think we can actually get out of this mess.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | September 26, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Scapheap?"

Posted by: D2Boston | September 26, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Nah, guys, you have it all wrong. McCain didn't put this out ahead of time. He actually invented a time machine, in addition to the blackberry.

Posted by: dolescum | September 26, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

For those that allege this to be Photoshopped because it's not on the page they see, don't be so sure. The WSJ uses DoubleClick to serve its ads, and they rotate. Using Google Chrome, I isolated that particular page element as:

http://online.wsj.com//static_html_files/jsframe.html?jsuri=http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/interactive.wsj.com/opinion_commentary_story;!category=;;mc=wsjfreezone;tile=3;sz=336x280,300x250;ord=8225822582258225;

Reloading that link repeatedly shows a number of ads that fill that space, from Emerson.com to MasterCard to Barrons to Lenovo to American Express to others. While I haven't yet seen the John McCain one, it doesn't mean it wasn't there before, and was taken out of the rotation once the news story hit. {ProfJonathan}

Posted by: ProfJonathan | September 26, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

As strongly as I support Obama, I wish Cilizza could expound on the fact-checking he did for this blog post, to ensure that the submitted screenshot was not photoshopped. I've been refreshing the WSJ article cited to see if I get the ad, with no success.

It's tough, of course, because somethign so easy to fake is just as easily lied about by the McCain campaign, like the "cone of silence" (haha).

Posted by: helenhandbasket | September 26, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I do not know for sure if it is real or photoshopped. Of course the page would look different now, if they took it down once they realized they messed up.
On a side note, McCain really had no choice but to debate, because he already paid for the ads proclaiming victory tonight. If he didnt show up and they put the ads out, he would of really looked like an idiot.

Posted by: spiritof9planes | September 26, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

author 48, you providing a link to the page as it appears right now does not prove that the ad was never there. as soon as wsj realized thier mistake, they probably took it down.

Posted by: ballardgirl | September 26, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

?? So a paid for ad runs early? OH NOEZ!!!1111!!eleven...


Wake me up when a "news" story actually is printed ahead of time, or talks about events in the past that did not happen.

Of COURSE McCain has "I won the debate" ads ready to go. I am sure that Obama has them as well. We will see them all over the place tomorrow.

Posted by: Voidseeker | September 26, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

This campaign is pure FAIL.

FilthyRichmond.com

Posted by: washpost31 | September 26, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Until and unless Obama has the testicular fortitude to play politics by the established rules, and drop the cultured Nice Guy routine, he can plan on losing. This is Ameria where nice guys finish last, propagnda and ignorance rule, and the kind of hatred we saw at the RNC is what "energizes the base" and gets people out to vote. My Grandma had a word for people with BO's temperament; "milk-toast!"

Posted by: barkway | September 26, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza, I don't know why I click on you, anymore . . .

Posted by: Sophie2008 | September 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

As a genuine independent -- and a traditional fan of John McCain -- I have got to say that this is the most bizarre, dishonest, and cynical campaign that I have ever seen from the GOP. (And that's saying something given the loathsome dirty tricks they threw at Kerry and Gore). The McCain campaign (and by extension the GOP as a whole) are now exhibiting the classic symptoms of last ditch desperation in the midst of a social, economic, and ethical cataclysm entirely of their making.

It is astonishing that they are now adding another quality to the mix: campaign ineptness.

I'm not really a big fan of the democrats, but its truly time to throw the GOP onto the scapheap of history.

Posted by: Hackpiper | September 26, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Chinese News Agency do the same thing yesterday when it published a news account of their first successful space walk, including quotes from the astronaut. Problem was the rocket was still on the launch pad. Talk about your premature, er, liftoff.

Posted by: optimyst | September 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Mccain couldn't win a debate if he debated himself !!!!!! I guess his pit bull is letting him stay up late tonight after all to debate Obama. I hope he doesn't fall asleep.

Posted by: LODGE4 | September 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

What cracks me up are the right-wingers who come on and just declare that it's all lies! " The liberal media is against us!" they moan. "It's all a big conspiracy!"

These guys have really gone off the deep end -- along with their candidate.

Posted by: jmleyland | September 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Alas, the McCain thingee is photoshopped,. Here's the original page from WSJ: http://wsj.net/article/SB122238667352477103.html?mod=article-outset-box

Posted by: author48 | September 26, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Just in:
Obama takes 5 point lead in Virginia.

McCain holds Ohio by just a point.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think it's ridiculous that this is posted, and instead of a link to the ad server itself, it's a "screenshot"?

This is clearly a hoax.

Posted by: fonkyou | September 26, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

This has to be some kinda joke, especially in light of China's "prescient" reporting on it's space launch.
McCain's behavior of late has simply been less than Presidential. Add that to Couric (8x more Vice Presidential than the Governor, anyone?) interviewing of Palin...
Tailspin, my friends. Not even a reasonable option.

Posted by: happyweasel | September 26, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Do you really need to title your article "McCain Wins Debate?" I'd bet that at least a few low-information voters will see the title, not read the article, and not realize that the debate hasn't happened yet. You're going to leave the wrong impression.

Posted by: Kurt_Cant | September 26, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

So he has a web ad already made proclaiming a win.

It's normal practice in journalism to write obituaries of famous people to have on hand, before they die.

Same thing. (Though McCain's obit should be kept pretty handy considering his ongoing skin cancer and carefully concealed medical records.)

Posted by: cowdog1 | September 26, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Still need independent verification.
I think it's pretty irresponsible for Chris to post this without verifying first.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Digg this:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_Runs_Web_Ads_Claiming_to_Win_Debate_Before_Debate

This is just getting surreal. McCain doesn't seem to be able to do anything right. I would challenge anyone to come up with an action he has taken as part of his campaign that has actually worked out.

As far as anyone claiming this is a photoshop, that is a possibility, but I've seen the original image, and it's very well done if it is. There are also a few different sources who are reporting seeing this, and they each have copies of the original image. It still could be an elaborate plot, but that's a lot of work to accomplish something that McCain manages on a daily basis by himself.

Posted by: passive0 | September 26, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

This proves it, officially-

McCain is an Obama supporter and intends to destroy the Republican Party along with his candidacy as punishment for the last 8 years.

There is no other way to explain his bizarre behavior.

Posted by: beatpanda | September 26, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I second the question/comment by wp4112. I would love to spread this around, but I'll feel foolish if it turns out to be fake. How do you know it's real and not photoshopped?

Posted by: jzilliac | September 26, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody noticed that politics in the US is getting "American Idol"-ized.
As part of my work, I deal with people is all sorts of places like Brazil, UK, Belgium, Hungary, Singapore etc and we are a laughing stock; they can't believe that someone like Palin would even be considered worthy of a place on a major party ticket.

Posted by: I_like_futbol_n_fubball | September 26, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I like the way McCain answered the last question. Anyone else agree with me?

Posted by: help4mac | September 26, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

HaHa. He must have used that time machine from Back to the Future. Maybe is was in DC yesterday to get his Flux-capicator fixed.

Posted by: mrhk | September 26, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This could not get anymore surreal. To John McCain, thanks but no thanks.

Posted by: MainLineGirl | September 26, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Chris, How do you know it's not a photoshop trick? Did you confirm with WSJ? And if not, why did you post it?

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

What a gutsy, mavericky ad to run! Hats off to McMaverick after his crushing success leading the bailout negotiations at the WH yesterday!

Posted by: ssomo | September 26, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

So now John McCain has not only invented the Blackberry but also a time travel device. Bravo! Only such an ingenious man could ever be qualified to serve as president.

Posted by: symphonyofdissent | September 26, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

If they even have to try to explain it in the next 9 hours, Team McCain will say that it was because the Wall Street Journal internet ad person misread it. It was supposed to go up at 10:30 PM, not AM.

Posted by: demomike | September 26, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

No surprise here. Since when did Republicans ever let reality get in the way of their spin?

Posted by: nodebris | September 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The lying has to stop, and Obama needs to call the "mavericks" on this. It really mackes me sick that people believe what comes out of McOld's mouth.

nsabetus: every time you say worse, I'm sure you mean worst.
... and what's worse, is that you capslocked it.

Posted by: ian_james_eatock | September 26, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

So they had ads up and running about the debate even while they claimed the campaign was suspended and they weren't coming?

Just when you think they've hit a moral bottom, they reveal an even lower level they're willing to try out.

Posted by: cvm1 | September 26, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"if you believe an Internet ad an astute reader spotted next"

No, I don't. That's more fake than Joe Biden's smile.

Posted by: mamaway | September 26, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

John McCaint has suddenly gotten quite concerned about the crisis on Wall Street.

Just more lies....

So much so that he has announced he’s suspending his campaign and rushing back to Washington so he can work with Congress on solving the problem and he wants Obama to do the same which will mean putting off that pesky debate they were supposed to have on Friday.

The situation was so urgent in fact that McCaint called up David Letterman personally to cancel his appearance on his show so he wouldn’t waste any time tackling the problem.

Except that he apparently had time to stick around long enough to film an interview with Katie Couric, to "expalin" the pathetic interview with peeeuuu Palin whereas she fumbles and get confused on such a simple subject....and literally self destructs on CBS.....

So while McCaint was at the West 57th street CBS News Location.....at same point in time he would have been on Letterman.

Needless to say, Dave wasn’t impressed. In fact Dave had some pretty good points to make during the course of the show.

David Letterman was absolutely furious at Senator John McCain for snubbing him and instead making an appearance on a CBS News interview with Katie Couric.

According to Letterman, McCaint personally called him and apologized for bailing out at the last minute.

He said he was suspending his campaign to rush to Washington and help fight America’s biggest economic crisis since the great depression.

Letterman understood the urgency of this issue and said it was ok.

Boy, Was he mad when he knew that McCaint did not actually go to Washington to solve the ‘Crisis’ and fix the ‘Crater’ in the economy?

Letterman stopped his interview with Keith Olbermann midway to show a live TV feed of McCaint getting makeup for his interview with Katie Couric.

Letterman said something is terribly wrong with McCain’s campaign ..and it smells....(peeeuuu Palin anyone)and that he was just playing a political game by saying that he was suspending his campaign.

And when Dave saw McCaint with Couric having makeup applied to his cancer ridden head he yelled out and said: "Hey John, do you need a ride to the airport??????.

He felt this a political gimmick to stop his sliding poll numbers from sliding further. He repeatedly asked the same question - ‘Where is your running mate, Sarah Palin?’.

You do not suspend a campaign a month before elections, you get your second in command to run the show instead.

A total of 10 minutes was used up by Dave Letterman to shred McCain and his publicity stunt into pieces.

View David's Anger @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

After the Walter Cronkite moment of 1968 now 40 years later for McCaint on David Letterman......I don’t think McCain will be scheduling a follow-up appearance anytime soon.

Thanks Again Dave.... for showing us the truth..yet again......McCaint can't multi-task.....

Its the end of the peeeuuu Palin bubble and McCaints lies.......

"Thanks but no thanks for more of the lies that bridge America to nowhere......"

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 26, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow. That is breathtakingly cynical. This campaign doesn't even know what credibility is. Unfortunately, to most of the world that seems to be the modern American way.

Posted by: cvm1 | September 26, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Amazing. Is there any way this whole thing could get any weirder?

Posted by: mikefarrace | September 26, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

you can chew gum and pass legislation
to stop the biggest financial crisis
in 70 years.
obama comes across as too self involved
to do his job. Serve the People.
this guy comes across as a
flippant screw you type

------------------------------

LOL.

McCain has just PROVEN that he is a flippant screw-you type.

And Palin has just PROVEN in her Couric interviews that she is clueless about any serious national or international concern.

Thank God we have two real adults running for our two top leadership positions.

Obama/Biden. The only option now.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

McTool.

Posted by: mmeyerdc | September 26, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Do the Media, Obama and his campaign actually think that anyone in their right mind would actually believe this CRAP?

----------------

Avoiding the topic at hand, eh?
Pathetic.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

you can chew gum and pass legislation
to stop the biggest financial crisis
in 70 years.
obama comes across as too self involved
to do his job. Serve the People.
this guy comes across as a
flippant screw you type

Posted by: USA3 | September 26, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I guess McCain didn't feel he had to debate because he was already the winner!
What a loser....

Posted by: jeffc6578 | September 26, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I can't stand that the debate is already being spun. How ridiculous! I dread having to listen to the Republicans talk about what a Marvericky Maverick McCain is.

Posted by: Vaughan1 | September 26, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Do the Media, Obama and his campaign actually think that anyone in their right mind would actually believe this CRAP? Obama will NOT WIN THIS ELECTION no matter what poll of polls they put out there to try and fool voters. I, have to say, that this election has been the WORSE THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN. After this election is over in November and President McCain takes office, it is going to take a while to get this country back on track.

Obama is the WORSE presidential candidate that this country has ever seen. I say to the Media and Obama campaign, keep it up with all the lies and political spin and see how far it gets Obama in November.

Posted by: nsabetus | September 26, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Looks like this whole "suspension" was a complete sham. They've been planning on going to the debate along, to the point of even releasing these web ads early.

Posted by: Independent1963 | September 26, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Imagine if Eisenhauer had let it slip that he'd landed in Normandy on June 5th.

McCain is much better as a Senator where his ineptitude and impulsiveness can't really hurt anybody.

Posted by: jefft1225 | September 26, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Debate is ON!

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

If this is coming from the campaign it shows that the whole country first slogan is a ploy and trick.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | September 26, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

McCain and company could hardly get lower. Their cynical maneuvering, manipulation and duplicity are contemptible. As the Spanish declare, they are "Sin vergüenza" ("Without shame").

Posted by: cluhn | September 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

LOL wow, talk about counting their eggs before they hatch.

Another example of this "not going to the debate" is just a big stunt. The campaign has no doubt he is going to the debate, they assume he will win it. LOL.

Posted by: sjxylib | September 26, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

That's about the only way he'll win, through more lies and silly posturing

Posted by: MadameSelena | September 26, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 26, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

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