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Michigan: A Done Deal But Bitterness Lingers

INSIDE THE RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE -- The Rules and Bylaws Committee approved a motion that would seat Michigan's disputed delegates based on a complicated allocation formula, a vote that left some backers of Sen. Hilary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) visibly agitated and leaving open the possibility of taking the fight well into the summer months.

The measure was approved, 19 to 8.

The proposal would grant 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) and then immediately halve those totals, leaving Clinton with 34.5 delegates and Obama with 29.5 delegates. That is a result closer to what Obama allies had argued for (a 64-64 split) than the plan Clinton supporters had pushed for (a 73-55 allocation).

"This is a fair and good result," insisted Tom Hynes, an Illinois based RBC member and supporter of Obama. Hynes was repeatedly interrupted by catcalls from the audience insisting that voters were being disenfranchised by the proposal.

Harold Ickes, the most vocal supporter of Clinton on the RBC, delivered a stinging rejection of the proposal before the vote -- accusing the committee of "hijacking" four delegates that the New York senator had fairly won in Michigan.

"I am stunned that we have the gall and the chutzpah to substitute our judgment for that of 600,000 voters," said Ickes.

He added that Clinton herself had asked him to reserve her right to take the fight to the Credentials Committee, which is scheduled to meet later this summer -- a statement that raised the possibility that Clinton is at least mulling pushing the fight beyond next week when the voting portion of the nomination fight ends.

"Hijacking four delegates is not a good way to start down the path of party unity," Ickes warned.

Ickes later came under fire for his comments. Everett Ward, an RBC member from North Carolina, accused the New Yorker of "selective amnesia" when it came to his argument in favor of full seating of the Michigan delegates based on the popular vote in the state's primary

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 31, 2008; 7:15 PM ET
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I have never known or witnessed a Democrat that espouses the ignorant and repugnant views of Clinton supporters. Loyal Democrats wouldn't buy into right wing fabrications, watch Fox News, or encourage a convention fight.

I have to wonder if this is all narrative contrived and spun by a PR firm for Clinton's campaign to create division where none exists, or maybe right wing extremists are posing as Hillary supporters to stir up controversy.

Posted by: Deborah | June 1, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Poor little Hillary, so mistreated. Gimme a break. She knows exactly what she is doing and its divisive and hurtful to the party. All politicians have to be somewhat narcisitic but she takes the cake. I wonder just how many times she has said " ME " during the campaign.
Michigan and Florida were told by the DNC not to move their primaries too early. They went right ahead and did it. Now they are acting like spoiled little children who always get what they want. I think they should shut up and be thankful. Half a vote is meeting them halfway when technically they deserve nothing !

Posted by: lynwit | June 1, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

No way is Obama the same has Clinton......

Just say the words " Pastor-gate ".

The Democatic party is over....

Voice from Texas

Posted by: Reb | June 1, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What happened yesterday with Fla and Mich. are reflective of the corruption of Dean, Pelosi, Reid and the Party's unfair treatment of Hillary. It is undemocratic and we will not stand for it. By way of introduction:
...Thank you for answering...our group started 8 monts ago and have formed other groups in every state in the country...each group consist of apporx. 600-1300+ people, We have a total of almost 1050 groups of every demographic group. We are all Hillary supporters and are very much aware of how she has been treated by the Media, superdelegates, etc. Our total number of people is documented as slightly over 1.3 million(I am very serious)....we know that we can convince the powers to be to put Hillary as the nominee instead of Obama who will lose to McCain. We are posting constantly on the AOL, blogs, everywhere "that if Obama gets the nomination...we will all vote for John McCain"....we have received hundreds of letters from Democratic officials asking us to unite behind Obama if he is the nominee...they have received documentation and proof of our massive numbers...we have assured them that in our minds...it is either "HILLARY or McCAIN"...no other options. Please let me know if you would like to join us. What we would ask is to post this message and add your own words if you like also and give us the name you will be posting under...we have a massive computer network which is keeping tract of the members and what they are posting so we can continually hit all the areas.
Charles Monaghan, PhD, Political Science
CT.
We can do this if the Democrats know that they will lose the Clinton support if obama is nominated. He is a liar and a danger to our country.

Posted by: Kevin H | June 1, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

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Forwarded Message:
Subj: re: For the delegates
Date: 5/30/2008 2:55:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
From: CGG211
To: CGG211

To all of the Delegates who's job it is to see to it that America gets the best possible person to be nominated to be the President of America.
My friends and family are extremely worried about Obama winning the nomination.
We are wondering what Washington DC is doing to keep America Safe?

The Republicans will Destroy Obama and it will be well deserved.

DO NOT be surprised if All of Hillary Clinton's supporters beg her to go INDEPENDENT, or else write in her name in, or last, and worst of all vote for McCain.
I know as a 6th Generation American, there is NO way I would ever vote for someone whom I consider to be totally, Unqualified, and a Danger to America.
This is exactly how most of my Family, friends that live on each Coast from East to West and from North to South, some of us are NY Catholic, Southern Baptist, and from Middle of the Country such as AR, and MO. as well as Liberal Westerns, from AZ, CA & OR.

As for those people being LOYAL to Obama how many of them would have stood behind him if the Media would have done their job and reported on all of the above issues?
When the REPUBLICANs get out all of this info how many of Obama's supporters will still be standing behind him.
It will be another big LOSS for the Democratic Party, and the USA.

Obama voted the same way Cheney did for Nuclear and that's the reason that GE, who owns NBC & MSNBC, are NOT allow to say anything negative about Obama

Would B.H . Obama be able to pass a background security check to be hired as a Police Officer in any Town or County across America, since you are asked these questions.
* Have you ever used illegal drugs?
* Have you ever SOLD illegal drugs?
Is Obama a DRUG Dealer?
Obama admitted to both using and selling Drugs in his book. Obama's words NOT ours.

Is Obama a bigot? Obama's words NOT ours.

* Obama wrote in his book of NOT trusting white people. Would a Police Dept hire Obama with that admission, & attitude, since it would be his job to protect all of the people? How can he be President if he has a problem with White People? His comment about his own Grandmother being Typical of White People, says it all.

Obama's wife, Michelle is UN-Patriotic, as are so many of his friends. Why would Obama be Patriotic when his actions tell us otherwise.

* Rev Wright
His associations with so many very Un-Patriotic People, such as HIs Minister & Mentor Honored, Farrakhan, with a lifetime achievement award. He traveled to Libya with Farrakhan. Rev Wright visited with Castro.
Is this why Obama loves flying that Cuban Flag with the terrorist, Che Guevara, on it
Che was Castro's right hand man, a terrorist who killed 10's of 1,000 of people in Cuba. Check out Fox news @ his Texas office. ( Obama needs to be questioned as to his love of this Flag over the flag of the USA.) In my Patriotic eyes this is insulting and treasonous.

1- Click here: You Tube - Obama Communist Flag In Office!
2- Click here: You Tube - Obama and the National Anthem

* Bill Ayers

Another close friend, Bill Ayers, of the Weather Underground.
Bill Ayers admitted and is known to have bombed, NYC Police Headquarters, the Capitol, the Pentagon.
In 2001, After the WTC, B Ayers said, he has NO Regrets about his past, and he feels he did NOT bomb enough buildings, and he cannot say that someday he might NOT resort to once again bombing some of our buildings.

*Rezko ( on trial in Chicago )
* Saddam's Close Associates Auchi, &Aiham Alsamarrae

( is it NO wonder that Obama feels he can sit with leaders in Iran and the entire Middle East and Cuba.) He is already connected to them thru some of his very friends.

His close friendship Rezko, who has introduced him to Saddam's close ties, Auchi, Saddam's money launder, & Iraq's former Minister of Electricity, Aiham Alsamarrae. When Alsamarrae was arrested and jailed in Iraq, his children called B. Obama and asked for his help in getting their Father released from Prison. These are extremely wealthy people, why are they calling on a JR. US Senator to help them have their Father released from jail in Iraq.?Who is Obama that they would call on him?
Ask yourself why his close friend Rezko made so many visits to Syria in such a short period of time, that got our Govt involved in checking into Rezko and his reasons for so many trips to Syria.

*Obama says he wants CHANGE. What change did he give to his small District in Chicago other than bigger DEBT? SHOW this toBlacks Poor or Rich across the USA. Lets see how much of the Black vote he can hold onto then. You know the Republicans will be quick to point all of this out to them as soon as Hillary Clinton is out of the Picture.

Why is Obama writing letters to IL Governor, on behalf of foreign born people, of such questionable backgrounds as Rezko, to help them get Govt Grants, that are supposed to be for Minority Contractors? Rezko secured a $100 million Grant, to rehab 30 buildings in Chicago. He used a silent black partner to get the bid to a minorities.
The work was done on the very cheap side and the buildings were condemned and foreclosed on. The people ( BLACKS ) in Obama's district had NO HEAT thru out the winter of 05. Obama denies knowing anything about this. This is a small area that anyone and everyone with-in Obama's District knows about.

*Seventeen buildings -- many with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.
* Six buildings are currently boarded up.
* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.
* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

If this is how Obama runs his small District what makes Obama and all of you in Washington DC, feel that Obama can make AMERICA run more efficiently?
Who in Washington looking our for the BEST interest of America?

* Remember what our Parents taught us
One Picture is Worth a 1,000 Words
Action Speaks Louder than Words.

1-Click here: Bill Baar's West Side: Carol Marin on Obama, Rezko, and slums
2- Click here: Eric Lee: Obama's slum-lord friend
3- Click here: MyDD :: FACT CHECK: Obama, His Contributor Rezko, the Slum Landlord Business
4-Click here: YouTube - Obama and Rezko
5-Click here: EXPOSEOBAMA.COM


* This is what was done with Grant Money adward to Harlem NY from Bill Clinton. This is money properly spent for the benefit of the people. Its a safe & beautiful area.

1-Click here: The Fitzgerald | 257 West 117th Street | New York | 212.381.2619
2-Click here: Casa Loma Condos on 116th Street « UPTOWNflavor
3-Click here: Manhattan luxury apartments| Manhattan real estate| Manhattan condos 5thonthepark

*This is just a sampling of how the people of Harlem feels about Bill & Hillary Clinton.

Click here: Harlem church leader endorses Clinton - The Boston Globe

-Click here: 125th Street Journal; Mr. Clinton, Your Harlem Neighbors Need to See You More Often - New York Times

Click here: The Battle For Harlem Heats Up - Politics on The Huffington Post
Click here: Obama faces uphill battle against Clinton's Harlem base | World news | guardian.co.uk

* Obama looking to funnel more money out of the USA.

Obama needs to worry about the Economy of the USA and stop with World Wide Welfare. it's called the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), and it is being sponsored by none other than Senator Barack Obama.

It would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend $ 845 Billion or 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts.
Just take a good look at HISTORY to see what happens every time we blindly give to 3rd world Nations. The money never goes to the real poor, but to the dictators who run their countries.
We already are more generous than we should be with other countries. If we do anything for the 3rd world nations instead of sending money we should send them some of our products so that we have America working instead of blindly giving money to other nations were the poor never see most of the money that is meant to help them anyway.

ITs time for us to worry about Our Economy and not be a part of Global Welfare System.

* Obama has the WORST Voting Record in the Senate.

Obama is a junior Senator with three years experience in the US Senate. There is only one Senator with more absentee's than Obama, and that is Democratic Senator Tim Johnson of SD. Johnson has had brain surgery for cancer and has been hospitalized off and on for two years.
Obama has been absent more times than any other Senator. He has missed more votes than any other Senator. The only experience Obama has had time for, in the Senate, is his campaigning for president.

* Obama makes too many errors about our Country and our History.

For anyone insulted by Obama, the pompous, stuttering, moron, who thinks he is above everyone else across America. Imagine graduating from Harvard and you have NO clue as to how many states in the USA. Pretty PATHETIC. What can you expect of someone educated in Indonesia until age 10? or was it 14 years old?
Maybe it was a Freudian slip? & Obama got the U.S.A (50 states) mixed up with the OIC 57 Islamic nations.

Click here: YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 State

* Obama is NOT dignified, or mature enough to be President of the USA.

1- Click here: AOL Search results for "obama gives Hillary the middle finger"

At the last debate that Obama was man enough to attend against Hillary, he was so upset at the questions that were asked of him that the next day he acted like some teenager with a bad attitude. I guess you can take some people out of the slum but you cannot take the SLUM out of some people.

How will Obama act with other world Leaders if he does NOT come off looking good? Will he lose his childish, bad boy temper, and threaten other Nations or their Leader? Lets not forget Obama Threatened to Bomb Pakinstan.

What kind of Adults thought it was Cute & darling of Obama to give Hillary the Finger. That's NOT something that the children of America need to see. It should NOT be Tolerated.

America needs a Leader we can count on who will be able to work with all of America and at times all of the World.
Someone whose History is KNOWN such as Hillary Clinton who has spent her life working hard to make America a better place for all of us, and NOT a big SECRET, like Obama's entire Political History, and his background.
America cannot NOT afford another 4 years of Bush like Politics but it maybe exactly what we get because Washington cannot do its job and research Obama just like we would do a background check on anyone applying for any Govt job.
Washington PROTECT us and let us remain one of the BEST NATIONS in the World.

Posted by: Judy | June 1, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"Ding, dong, the witch is dead... but let's burn down Oz anyway, just for fun."

--Me

Posted by: HillaryClinton | June 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The RESULT is that 183 delegates from mostly WHITE states have vanished.

Hillary nets 24 delegates - HOWEVER if the delegations were fully seated it would have been a net of perhaps 56


BUT remember the Superdelegates were also halved -


That cuts off opportunities for Hillary to catch up - a total of 183 delegates vanished into thin air when one includes the Superdelegates.


Then they used fantasy numbers to give Obama delegates based NOT ON VOTES - and based on WRITE IN BALLOTS THAT WERE NEVER EVEN READ TO SEE WHOSE NAME WAS ON THE BALLOT.


I hate to say it, but it appears that this sort of stuff is OK when it benefits a BLACK candidate against a WHITE candidate -however, if this benefited a WHITE candidate against a BLACK candidate, these kind of actions would never be considered.


I seriously DO NOT believe that this result would have been tolerated IF BLACK VOTING STRENGTH HAD BEEN DIMINISHED BY 183 DELEGATES.


One must think about it.


THE RESULT IS STILL THAT 183 DELEGATES FROM WHITE STATES HAVE VANISHED - SO THE NET AFFECT IS TO INCREASE THE BLACK VOTING STRENGTH AND DIMINISH THE WHITE VOTING STRENGTH -


IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE ONLY WAY A BLACK CANDIDATE COULD HAVE WON.


ONE MUST FIND THE VOTE OF THE RULES COMMITTEE TO HAVE A DE FACTO RACIST EFFECT - AND ONE MUST FIND THE RESULTS RACIST AGAINST WHITES.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | June 1, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

You support the candidates views not the candidate. If your candidate loses you move to the candidate who closest resembles your first choice. How does this in ones wildest dreams move a Hillary supporter from Hillary to Mccain? Don't they care at all about what Hillary stands for and what she was fighting for? Do they care at all about their country? I honestly don't get it, are they really that dumb? I doubt over the next few months it will take much to move them to Obama who is basically the same candidate as Hillary as far as issues go.

Posted by: I don't get it | June 1, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Chris

The entire proceedings - the making of the rule, the penalty - the crazy attempts at enforcement - has as its objective - to decrease the strength of the large white states.

Hillary was PLUS 18 out of Michigan, that gets cut to 10 and then halved to 5.

Meanwhile, the voting strength of the heavily black districts around the country stays the same.


This is what has happened to affirmative action

The affirmative action people want MORE than their fair share - they figure that affirmative action has gotten them what they've got, now they want affirmative action - change the formula, penalized them for not agreeing - and then there is more.


Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Pleanty of conservative shills here attemting to divide what they percieve as the opposition for the fall election. Don't sucker for that. Senator Clinton has been given every oppertunity to gracfully concede and instead has opted for the kitchen sink/Tanya Harding strategy which has failed and is now in its final throws. Make no mistake she toned it down becuase her party members and friends made private calls for her to do so. Threatening to blackmail the supers by suggesting supporting MacCain if Hillary does'nt get in would be paramount to self abuse. Do some of you really have that disregard for the well being of the country and the people you are supposed to care so much about? Spitefulness is such a destuctive emotion.

Posted by: soloman | June 1, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama could smoke crack and still get the nomination. Deja vu?

Posted by: Colorful | June 1, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Ickes says "Obama will make a great president" on Meet the press

Posted by: reality | June 1, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse


One of the clearest analysis I have found:

Speaking with my political scientist hat on, penalizing the states' delegations by reducing the impact of their votes may vex Clinton supporters, but it is within the powers of the DNC to do so. The reasons for the penalty (to tilt the win in favor of one candidate) and the context of the penalty (failing to penalize other states who committed similar infractions) and in the case of Florida, refusing to take into account the extentuating circumstances of Republican interference with the timing of the vote are elements that will provide grist for dozens if not hundreds of Poli. Sci. PhD dissertations in the years to come, but the power itself is within the charter of the organization and the appropriate committee(s).

Taking away delegates from Hillary and handing them to Obama, however, is not within their purview, and this will come back to bite them in the ass. First, as I said above, it indicates that the internal count of the Obama delegates is weaker than they claim. Four delegates should not make that big a difference, yet they obviously do even with the count reduced by the 50% rule. There is no other rational reason to force this misallocation for such a small number of delegates, given the blowback that will occur. Of course, given what we have seen of the Obama campaign, stupidity, arrogance and an inability to resist trying to humiliate an opponent are hallmarks of their operation. Whether or not Hillary can capitalize on this for the convention, rest assured that the Republicans will do so for the general election, even if Hillary is the nominee. The Party has deliberately reapportioned the outcome of an official and certified election. They may have had the power to deny seats to the resulting delegation at all, allow seats but no votes, allow votes but reduced by a percentage, or seat them with 100% voting privileges, but they do not have the power to modify the allocation of delegates within the delegation.

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Blanchard was phenomenal in the hearings, and very clearly made the case that Obama had maneuvered himself out of delegate support in Michigan. Brazille looked and sounded like a mean-spirited jerk through the entire thing, Wexler was a buffoon, and someone must have gotten to the Obama contingent at lunch and told them how bad it looked for them. I hazard a guess that is why the meeting did not reconvene on time, though that is also when the TUCC announcement was made, so there are more explanations than outcomes.

Snip

From http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/

Donna Brazille's momma apparently didn't teach her :Thou Shalt Not Steal.


Posted by: Jane | June 1, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Clinton thought she had that committee padder with her supporters and she got voted down almost unanimously. Her own supporters have rejected her. The Clintons are completely done as washington power brokers. They have seen it all go down the drain and they have no one to blame but themselves.

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19 to 8? That means that Clinton-fanatics are screaming over a result that was voted on not only by Obama's people, not only by the neutrals, but several Clinton-supporters?

The Clinton's won't accept peace- they want victory or nothing. The supers need to defeat them posthaste.

Posted by: epthorn | June 1, 2008 3:09 AM

Posted by: happy | June 1, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

After watching the Rule Committee yesterday and the statement the Ickie made regarding the vote, I am very disappointed. There has been no mention of Ickie having to pick up his face after an African American member of the committee gave him a tongue lashing about history and his lies, foul mouth and ranting. Amazing once again Caucasians words are carried through the media but no media coverage on the constructive response that was given to that Belligerent Ickie.

Posted by: Yvonne | June 1, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Lots of bitterness by a few people. But enough to ruin the chances for the Dems to win the White House and pick up seats in Congress.

Of course, if McCain gets elected it will exactly what those bitter Clinton supporters deserve. Even more if the Dems lose seats in Congress they could have picked up.

Posted by: IMNOTBITTER | June 1, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

With all respect to Mr. Ickes, if the Michigan primary were held today, Sen Clinton might well have a hard time winning it and in all likelihood could not. So all of the righteous indignation serves little purpose. Senator Clinton's campaign operates with a fundamental sense of entitlement and an overwhelming capability for living in a steady state of hypocrisy.

Posted by: kpkfusion | June 1, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

its time for Hilary to get over herself... its almost over and she as well as her supporters cannot expect the DNC to hand her the election... her campaign was ill prepared after super tuesday and that just a fact... they have no one to blame but themselves... if hilary supporters think all this screaming, yelling or voting for John McCain is going to make things better its not... Think long and hard ... I know it sucks your candidate didnt win... but put McCain in the white house and the policies, health care, supreme court ... you throw it all away... how ironic would it be if the legacy of Clinton's campaign run would be the beginning of the end of Roe v Wade because her supporters were so blinded by their support for Hilary that they voted against their own best interests only to get a President that goes against everything she stood for ...

Posted by: AJ | June 1, 2008 4:22 AM | Report abuse

For all of Senator Clinton's sanctimonious criticism of Senator Obama's church, and recently a guest priest, for controversial comments, her vocal and vitriolic supporters at the RBC meeting today dwarf everything I have seen thus far in this awful primary. It is truly heartbreaking that a Democratic presidential candidate, representing the party of inclusion, would condone or accept the type of supporters that showed up today. I don't want to repeat the smears expressed on signs or the false right wing style rumors espoused by these protesters, but it was absolutely disgusting. Frankly, it should be a source of embarrassment for Senator Clinton and every American.

Ickes scorned the MI decision because it undermined party unity, but Mr. Ickes needs to look at Senator Clinton's campaign, including the deplorable pro-Hillary websites that disseminate right wing smear and propaganda against Obama, and the protesters at the RBC committee chanting Denver, before he talks about party unity.

Senator Clinton is the one that needs to apologize to Democrats - and every decent American -for encouraging and accepting the hatred and ignorance disguised as support.

All of the heated rhetoric about sexism, including the bigoted Ferraro's dubious outcry about Hillary's treatment, has lost any shred of the minuscule credibility it may have had. It's called hypocrisy.

Posted by: Deborah - VA | June 1, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

19 to 8? That means that Clinton-fanatics are screaming over a result that was voted on not only by Obama's people, not only by the neutrals, but several Clinton-supporters?

The Clinton's won't accept peace- they want victory or nothing. The supers need to defeat them posthaste.

Posted by: epthorn | June 1, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

TheIgg,

Obama putting Hillary at the bottom of the ticket would be an apparent gesture toward unity, but it would more likely be nothing but a superficial gesture that ends in disaster. Four years ago, Kerry put Edwards at the bottom of the ticket, but the two candidates were simply not compatible with each other on the campaign trail. Obama and Clinton likewise would mix about as well as oil and water...or maybe even ammonia and bleach.

If Democrats want to win in the fall, they will stay away from this potentially toxic combination and allow Obama to choose someone who will complement the ticket well. Hillary Clinton may be compelling as a candidate to her supporters, but she does not fit well at all into Obama's number two spot in any way except as a contrived gesture toward unity, which isn't enough of a reason to make the selection, especially since it isn't likely to achieve actual unity between the two candidates themselves.

Obama would be much better with a Cheney-like figure, someone with a resume, yet who is not flashy, but who has executive experience and can grind out the policy side of Obama's airy messages of hope.

Posted by: blert | June 1, 2008 3:02 AM | Report abuse

ldsrapha,

Actually, the stripping of the delegates had one detractor at the time, an Obama supporter.

What is even better, as recently as a month ago, Bill Clinton was arguing that halving the votes of the delegates was the only reasonable solution to the situation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uluCnBctpHU

Once again, Bill undoes Hillary's campaign...as if she hadn't undone it herself already.

Posted by: blert | June 1, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Harold Ickes has ONE person to blame for this situation - HIMSELF. He was a Terrible advisor to Senator Clinton and he voted for the complete stripping of all their votes last August, now he rides in like a crusader for the rights of the disenfranchised. No one is STUPID enough to believe his LAME plea. Nor any of those other Hillary supporters. This stripping of the delegates was done UNANIMOUSLY so all her dear worried friends were the ones that took it away in the first place.

Hillary is DONE and should be grateful Barack gave her one delegate. Technically she should have been given NONE

Posted by: ldsrapha | June 1, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

"The proposal would grant 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) and then immediately halve those totals, leaving Clinton with 34.5 delegates and Obama with 29.5 delegates. That is a result closer to what Obama allies had argued for (a 64-64 split) than the plan Clinton supporters had pushed for (a 73-55 allocation)."

Actually, that's not true. This is a result closer to Clinton's desired 73-55 allocation (difference of 4 delegates), than Obama's 64-64 (difference of 5 delegates).

Isn't that obvious??

Posted by: Daniel K | June 1, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Say THANK YOU !to Hillary for seating the deligates. If it was not for her staying in the race and fighting this would not have happened.

Posted by: Queen | June 1, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

I was at the hotel where the committee meeting took place today. I was in the hotel's lobby watching the committee vote over the various motions being proposed.

When the committee voted to give the delegates of both Michigan and Florida a half vote, I heard a Clinton supporter next to me yell out "Look's like the slaves are taking over this country!"

I'm not saying that this person is representative of all Clinton supporters. But I think it shows us how harmful the election has become to the Democrats.

Obama isn't a sexist and neither are the majority of his supporters. Clinton isn't a racist and neither are the majority of her supporters.

Please everyone, let's pressure Obama to offer Hillary VP. It's the only way to unify our party. Otherwise, this nastiness will only grow.

Posted by: TheIgg | June 1, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

RE: Posted by: Ken | May 31, 2008 11:48 PM

Ken,

I strongly agree with your post and your proposal. It's time for the Democratic party establishment to realize that there may be many more voters of this mentality, and I guarantee there are some in swing states like Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Virginia and Pennsylvania. If Democrats question the electability of Obama but refuse to support Clinton for fear of angering his base, most notably youths, affluents and Blacks, then they should be more afraid of losing Clinton's base (women, blue-collars and the elderly). As for electability, Clinton has the unusual advantage of having her baggage been exposed since the 90s, and aside from imaginary sniper fire, not much new dirt is coming out. Obama seems to have a new problem every other week. He left his church today, and after adamantly insisting that leaving a church isn't as simple as just getting up and walking out, he did just that. Can you say "flip-flop?" Because the Republicans sure can, and McCain will use that to sink the Obama ship as fast as Bush sank Kerry's. A majority of Americans think this country is headed in the wrong direction, but some are not ready to hand the keys over to a man who has demonstrated not only poor judgment in those he associates with, but a resume that begins and ends with 4 years in the Senate. Those voters will vote for McCain in lieu of Obama, and a unity ticket may be the only thing to prevent the party from bloodletting its Presidential aspirations. You say that she should be given a role in policy implementation, and as much as I think Clinton excels in these matters, I wonder if it would be prudent for her to become the Democratic Dick Cheney? Such a role could be disastrous for both of them. One thing is for certain: the VP candidates will have a historic, perhaps unprecedented, impact on this election.

Posted by: Chris | June 1, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Time for HRC's rude and ignorant supporters at the meeting to do something constructive for a change, put their pennies togther, and contribute towards the $36M debt caused by an inept campaign. The Clinton "brand" lost to a better candidate. Period.

Posted by: Kevin | June 1, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

The successful strategy through Tuesday is for Obama to tell superdelegates to hold off declaring their intentions. Then, after the polls close on Tuesday he personally and directly telephones Clinton and offers her the veep, if she wants it, based on her commitment to drop the fight and actively support and join his candidacy. He must offer her a real policy and implementation role for the entire term, not just window dressing. If she accepts, the Dems have unity. If she rejects, he can tout it.

Now, all of this crowing and finger pointing by partisans is unproductive and works to alienate. The partisan discussion on these pages is corrosive, especially by those who call names and demean. If is distasteful to me, and has influenced me to only vote for a unity ticket, otherwise to not vote at all for president or to vote for McCain.

For me, there is no other healing, and yes, I am a registered Dem who intends to vote Dem in every other race.

It would be appreciated if some schmuck does not take my words here and twist them, as commonly happens on these pages.

Posted by: Ken | May 31, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

If only these Reagan Democrats, blue dogs etc backing Hillary could have shown half as much stubbornness when it came to resisting Bush on Iraq.

I find it hilarious that Hillary supporters say Obama is a empty-suit smooth charmer like GW Bush was.

Among Democrats, Hillary supporters are the only ones who ever found GW Bush charming or convincing.

Posted by: Ken O | May 31, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama has won this election by every conceivable measure, including the popular vote by a long mile.

Having said that, I don't see why the rules committee couldn't throw four delegates to the Clintonites.

Yes, I know they don't deserve them, they are dishonest, their attempts to bully the party with their constant threats to vote McCain are disgraceful, but what's four delegates?

Personally, I would have given them all of the delegates they wanted and then some, just to make it crystal clear that they would have STILL LOST even then.

Posted by: OD | May 31, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

One thing this result ensures: Clinton will NOT be able to take this to convention. A unanimous decision and a 19-8 decision is a pretty solid consensus. Even Clinton supporters on the committee defected and supported the compromise. This is OVER. She will be suspending her campaign by Friday. You wait and see.

Posted by: dem in chicago | May 31, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY 2008 and/or 2012!!!
If you hate Hillary (as most of you moles do)at least you KNOW why you hate her. She is a known quantity (woman, intelligent, driven, loyal). Obama is a complete unknown (except for his 20 year history with a SUPER DUPER racist church). He is a disaster waiting to happen.

Posted by: MaiJaden | May 31, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY 2008 and/or 2012!!!
If you hate Hillary (as most of you moles do)at least you KNOW why you hate her. She is a known quantity (woman, intelligent, driven, loyal). Obama is a complete unknown (except for his 20 year history with a SUPER DUPER racist church). He is a disaster waiting to happen.

Posted by: MaiJaden | May 31, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Here is a story that was on CNN tonights about your candidate of CHANGE. Against his own.. How can we vote for him - Please learn more about this man

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Posted by: Sunny | May 31, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

As far back as December 2006, or before, the Clintons determined that "The Presidency" was theirs for the taking,and all they had to do was to declare for it;not earn it. Their campaign and its strategy was haphazard as their dream fell flat. That's because their motive was not for the benefit of America, but the Clintons. Self is never as important or beneficial. We deserve better and somehow it will be given to us; soon.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"How could they even sit any of the Obama's delegates. He is so clearly unable to run an organized campaign."

MadGirl, I feel your pain, I really do. I would like to see a woman as President in my lifetime, just not this particular woman, who ran a TERRIBLE campaign in the days that mattered (the early days including 2007 when she should have been organizing in caucus states). There was fierce infighting within her campaign staff that she was not able to tamp down. Her chielf "campaign strategist" Mark Penn even thought she'd win easily because the contests were winner-take-all, and the big states she would (and did) win would take her over the top.

He was wrong, stupidly, fatally wrong, and she's now paying for it.

Had she had a smarter, better organized campaign, had she not taken her nomination as given, and had she NOT voted for the Iraq war in (I hope) a move to protect her political viability, she might have made a formbidable candidate. (I HOPE she didn't really think it was a good idea to invade a country that had been contained and posed no real threat to US security.)

But Mrs. Clinton didn't even take the time to read the entire NIE. She showed herself able to think politically, but not morally or ethically, and that makes her an unacceptable candidate to many of us, who think the War in Iraq is the BIGGEST foreign policy blunder in the history of the US of A.

She was and is a flawed candidate, and a pathetic boss of her own campaign.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 31, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

no way!

are you kidding? why would Clinton run as VP with a drug user or even accept a racist VP from a psycho hateful church on her ticket?

We want Clinton to stay as far away from that loser NObama as possible. She will win because she is not Hussein NObama.

There will be no unity because there has been no justice. That's fine with me. You do not reward injustice with unity, just shove it under the rug that NObama chose to screw over 2 million voters.

Posted by: Sal | May 31, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat and I have never seen my political party act so stupid. First of all, let's look at why and how Obama has won so many votes. The Republicans know it is impossible for Obama to beat McCain. They also know that Clinton has a good chance of beating McCain. Being the intelligent party this year, a large majority of Republicans changed their party so they could vote Democrat. Who did these wise people vote for? Obama of course. Those that voted for him have placed him as the Democrat Presidentia Nominee so it will be him AND NOT HILLARY CLINTON who runs against McCain. Wise move on the Republican Party's part. The Democrat Party on the other hand, is either slow or just plain stupid. Do they not see that all those states that put Obama so far in front of Clinton are now backing McCain in the general election? If Obama is chosen as the nominee, the Democratic Party has just handed the Presidency to McCain. Pretty stupid move, if you ask me.

Posted by: Bunny | May 31, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Cool Bobby K, you're not cool. Your arguments suck wild, irrational eggs.

Posted by: KateLynn | May 31, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
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Michelle looked healthly enough today when she was disowning her church. Do you know something we don't.

Posted by: whatwitch | May 31, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama has already lost. This was a terrible mistake. The 2 millions voters will not let this go. BIG MISTAKE FOR THIS OBAMA FOOL TO PICK A FIGHT WITH VOTERS.

If Obama thinks that the way to win a nomination is by using tricks against voters ----well then he and Bush crime family have much in common.

NOBAMA

Posted by: d.t. | May 31, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Denver? Denver? is this the only slogan Clinton's backer can think of. The supporters shouting during the RBC meeting were an absolute disgrace -- middle age women and men acting like juvenile delinquents!. So Obama's supporters are suppose to be young gen-Ys and gen-Xers?, at least these young people have the forsight and intelligence to know what is at stake -- $10 gas, a war that has no end with John McSame, and a healthcare and economic plan that essentially says "My friends yer on yer own now don't git sick". To think that these looney supporters shouting at the RBC meeting can walk the streets unchaperoned is a travesty to society.

Posted by: sunnyside 1 | May 31, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

If HRC wants to dispute FOUR MICHIGAN DELEGATES (???!?) let her do it. The motives of the Clinton campaign were exposed today. The American people won't fall for it. Obama is now the leader of the Democratic party. Time to go over after Grandpa McCain.

Posted by: KT | May 31, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

hi
i am a american citizen and i love this country i have almost american dreams...
i live here 10 years this cauntry give me more than my born country
i am a democrat because clinton i love him and i saw him world leader he did
everthing very good for me and my family
but we have problem but not big deal
ever country have it now
i belive now clinton time fix it
all my life listen good spect from some one never see solitions i saw 20 000 30000 people maybe more listen to sameone
after nothing happen i saw alot of thing here before people see it
for example iraq war, infalitions (basic oil up)dolar go down no good... i see a lot of thing but no bady see obama
love himself alot or he is sister give american people advice from KENYA how lucy we are,listen same spech over over again he is muslim before evertime talk about how good church have and pastur he find overthere jesus? he is big reistits because
%92 black people vote him and than talk about white people reistist not vote for him westv.,kentky...pa. what is mean chance of course nothing show me expamle country better than usa what he talking about we are grow up dreams, usa dream not caming from obama caming from my wife grand grand ,gradfather all american people they did this country perfect they work hard everyday
now i am working very hard my kids no body take away from good and safe life
obama look like economi profoser where is came from
i have parking lot tiket NYC(1999) not rigth gime any way i paid This time I make 6$ hours. Who is good citizen me or obama not paid all parking lot tiket he is kolej time
now he is try get more tax from people
when I live long island at 1999 i have next door sell maruanna he told me you want it or you want to sell it
I did not used and sell it Because I knew no good for me and people This time I make 6$ hours
and obama now give us advice sex educations kindergarden
why i am going to suport this guy
he make alot of bad decesions own life
now try do decesions my life
i am so upset 2000FL almost cry every they
Usa send people monitor elections overseas
africa,asia
mean EVERY VOTE COUNT no mistake or trick
we are not count FL,MI
all black people this time and all democrat
this time scream NO DEMOcrasy every vote count
still elections they said
now they are doing samething

i am not going to vote obama i am very clear about it
i dont want hillary vp olso
i am going to vote hillary independent party
or mc cain
kubi

Posted by: kubi | May 31, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"Menopausal women are like that. "

Well here you see just the kind of sexism Hillary supporters have been talking about.

I have some news for you, DavidR, at her age Hillary is long past menapausal. Too bad men don't have a change like we do, or there might be some hope that you, David, could someday gain some wisdom.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 31, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cillizza - In your reporting of events it would have been nice if you had written that the Michigan & Florida contingents got what they requested.

Florida asked that it's vote be counted as is and all their delegates to be seated. They got that.

The Michigan delegation asked for the 69-59 split and for all their delegates to be seated. They got that.

That is THE MAJOR POINT point that you and the bloggers seem to have missed. The final result was not about what Obama or Clinton wanted, but what the representatives of the states asked for.

True, Florida and Michigan also asked that each of their delegate's votes count 100%, but that was never an option.

Posted by: They got what they asked for... | May 31, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

This 56yr old white woman is voting for Obama, so I don't know where your getting your information from. I can't wait to start campaigning for him also.

Hillary knew the rules! Her friend Harald helped write the rules. They all all gradstanding, and have looked for a way to cheat, lie and totally disrespect the Democratic Party. She is SELFISH. If the numbers were the other way around, she and Bill would be crying(out loud) for Obama to get out.
OBAMA 08

Posted by: debi1208 | May 31, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

To Anonymous at 8:58 who said this: "Obama is every negro who ever collected a welfare check for doing nothing....Go Hillary!" I was going to e-mail the Post to report this example of blatant racism, but I think I'll instead draw others' attention to it and let them draw their own conclusions about at least one Clinton supporter's motivations.

Posted by: Michael in Philadelphia | May 31, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I was thoroughly embarassed by the behavior of the Clinton supporters. It was totally inappropriate, rude and childish. If Clinton doesn't reject and denounce the behavior of her supporters, she is finished. Actually, as some others have stated here, with the majority of the committee members supporting her and STILL they ruled against her, she may be finished already. I only hope she pulls herself together, displays some grace and bows out in a manner that will allow the Party to continue to heal before November.

Posted by: Liz from Houston | May 31, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Cilliza, just like Zeleny at the NY Times, has consistently taken anti-Obama positions in his reporting. He conitnues this tonight by promoting the agitation and supposed dissatisfaction with the rulings of the committee. Is Hillary still complaining about a biased press? It's OVER, Chris. Get over it!

Munir in Oregon

Posted by: Munir | May 31, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Exactly the wrong mentality.

The references to exit poling made me sick.

Voting is a different animal. A far more noble creature and vital to freedom.

To equate or cite exit poling, to even mention it in the context of the meeting was incredibly harmful to all Americans. There is a vast credibility gap in the minds and hearts of Obama apologists. They have no respect or desire for greatness. It comes with the Marxist underpinnings.

Posted by: Cool Bobby K | May 31, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

As I was out walking this morning for pleasure,
I spied a campaigner a-riding along.
Her hat was thrown back and her spurs were a-jingling,
And as she approached she was singin' this song:

"Whoopee tie yie yo! Git along, little Clintons,
For you know that the White House won't be your new home...
Whoopee tie yie yo! Git along, little Clintons -
It's your misfortune and none of my own.

"Some people go out campaignin' for pleasure -
But that's where they've got it most awfully wrong;
You could never imagine the trouble they give us,
As we go a-driving those Clintons along.

"Whoopee tie yie yo! Git along, little Clintons,
For you know that the White House won't be your new home...
Whoopee tie yie yo! Git along, little Clintons -
It's your misfortune and none of my own."

Posted by: Biographer | May 31, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

WAIT, WAIT my name wasn't on the ballot either in Michigan, where are my delegates?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Howard Dean should have told both candidates to stay out of the dispute between the MI, FL and the DNC. Hillary has completely politicized the process and now she has instigated and fomented dissent between voters in those states and the DNC. Make no mistake, Hillary doesn't really care about the voters, her real motive is to legitimize election results that favor her candidacy. This has all been a self-serving circus conducted to help Hillary blame her loss on someone other than herself.

Posted by: eric esquire | May 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to disillusion you but the committy was padded with Hillary supporters. They are the ones that rejected her. You just saw the Clinton era come to an end. I doubt she will even win her senate seat again. Hillary has been gambling and she today lost it all. I doubt there will be anymore yen million dollar Influence peddling speeches in Bills Future. I wonder if he will have to give some of the money back to those he has been promising Hillary would be president.? I wonder also what he has been promising? Lets face it, no one pays you that kind of money just for a speech.

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The Democratic National Committee is brain dead. There were so many points that were vital to good judgment and could not be ignore because they were basic and primary.

But they ignored them anyway. The noise from the crowd was a sweet sound to my ears. Democracy is not dead and their are some who still understand that justice is important.

How, for example, do you disrespect the actual votes cast in MI and give Obama anything. He was not on the ballot, was not even eligible for write in! This is his responsibility alone. His bad choices are consistently excused by anti American, anti Democratic people in power. He and his campaign must be removed from the stage. He himself and all he represents are nauseating.

Posted by: Cool Bobby K | May 31, 2008 9:39 PM

Posted by: voter | May 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I was just thinking the same thing. It is like walking through a barnyard posting on her. You have to keep stepping over the s**t. No problem though.

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Judging by all the anti Obama, fake Hillary comments here, the Republican sure aren't happy about their gal Hillary going down the tube. Oh well, they say a few years in the political wilderness is good for rejuvenating a party, and lord nows the republicans need rejuvenation.

Posted by: Larry | May 31, 2008 9:25 PM

Posted by: voter fl | May 31, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic National Committee is brain dead. There were so many points that were vital to good judgment and could not be ignore because they were basic and primary.

But they ignored them anyway. The noise from the crowd was a sweet sound to my ears. Democracy is not dead and their are some who still understand that justice is important.

How, for example, do you disrespect the actual votes cast in MI and give Obama anything. He was not on the ballot, was not even eligible for write in! This is his responsibility alone. His bad choices are consistently excused by anti American, anti Democratic people in power. He and his campaign must be removed from the stage. He himself and all he represents are nauseating.

Posted by: Cool Bobby K | May 31, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Did you even watch it? He won those votes. He was a registered candidate even though he was not on the ballot. There were write in votes and undeclared votes that the voters said they were for Obama. In fact, many said they voted for Hillary because she was on there but they supported Obama. Hillary actually got more votes then she would have gotten if he was on the ballot. Lets fact it, Hillary tried to pull a fast one and it didn't work. She has no support anymore not even within the party. She got voted down by her own supporters today who she thought she had in her pocket. Thats Washington, Hillary's time is over. She will be very lucky, VERY LUCKY, from what people from New York say to even keep her senate seat. They are sick of her.

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How does Obama receive any delegates from Michigan???

That is totally wrong. He deserves the zero he is as a man and a candidate.

He is the only candidate ever that has been so hated. Because he is a Nationalist and a Socialist, he is a Nazi.

Is it any wonder that Hillary's supporters will not vote for a Nazi?

Posted by: Cool Bobby K | May 31, 2008 9:22 PM

Posted by: O' in 08 | May 31, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

How is this result, 69-59, "closer" to what Obama wanted (64-64) vs what Clinton wanted (73-55)? Obama's proposal is 5 off from what actually happened while Clinton got within 4 of what she wanted?!? Good math there smart guy.

Furthermore, Obama had the votes to get his 50-50 split (see political ticker on MSNBC.com) but his representatives were generous in the name of party unity, something Clinton knows NOTHING about.

The larger picture is this - regardless of the outcome today, which was quite generous to Clinton given that OBAMA AND EDWARDS' NAMES WERE NOT ON THE BALLOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PARTY RULES, Obama was going to be way ahead anyway and will reach the magic number (whatever that may be) by next Wednesday.

So if you are ranting and crying about the decision today, just be clear with yourself and everyone that it has nothing to do with what is fair or logical; it's just because your favorite candidate lost and you are a sore loser. Now decide whether you vote based on policies and ideas (Obama and Clinton are 95% the same) or on childish and petty sour grapes emotions.

Posted by: AC | May 31, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Celebrate now, Obamanauts.
You won this round.
Let's see how you do in the big dance.
I won't wish you luck.

Posted by: Mullet | May 31, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's recap --

The rules committee reached a unanimous vote to seat the Florida delegates and super delegates with 1/2 vote each.

They reached a 19-8 vote in favor of the recommendadtion of the entire Michigan Democratic Party - which concluded that the state's priimary was too flawed to use as a basis for vote apportionment. Instead they apportioned the delegates based upon their own compromise worked out in Michigan and presented to the Committee.

Harold Ickes (Clintons top campaign aide and the author of the original rules that were adopted last year) was very angry and expressed his disgust over the Committee's ruling that reduced Clinton's Michigan delegates from 73 to 69 --- a difference of 4 delegates.

This delegate difference was then reduced to 2 delegages when the Michigan delegation voting strength was cut by 50% as a penalty for running an illegal primary.

Ickes blew up and made an "ass" out of himself. Why?

Clinton is trailing Obama by more than 180 delegates and Ickes is threatening to go to the credentials committe in July over a 2 delegate loss??

Or could it be that Ickes is angry because he helped to run Clinton's campaign into the ditch. His "leadership reputation" will go down in history as one of the key member of a team of "flaks and hacks" who took the sure thing candidacy of the best known political brand name in modern times and screwed it up so badly that Hillary is $36 million dollars in debt and has lost the nomination?

It couldn't be his fault - right? Where did he get the idea to blame someone else?

Hillary has blamed the vast right-wing conspiracy as the scourge of her husband's political experience. Now he is blaming a vast left-wing conspiracy as the scourge of his wife's campaign disaster.

Let's see --- their joint failures were the fault of the media, sexism, the left-wing, the right wing, the Obama campaign, media pundits, misogyny, poor staff decisions, the caucus states, and the star-struck voters of America.

I'm so glad that they had nothing to do with the collapse of their political machine. They are so totally blameless.

Posted by: GandalftheGrey | May 31, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Trinity and Obama's supporters have this delusion of victimhood.

Visions cause the law of attraction to go into effect. Keep on bashing and acting the fool when referring the proud backbone and strength of this country. Women will not vote for Obama for some excellent reasons.

It is over for Obama. He is the worst candidate ever in the history of this blessed country.

Posted by: Cool Bobby K | May 31, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Ickes: "You bet your a** were taking this to the convention!!!"

HAHA what a bunch of poor losers...Robert Wexler humiliated, served, and owned Ickes and made him walk out the room!!! What a joke

OBAMA '08

Posted by: this was exciting!!! | May 31, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Judging by all the anti Obama, fake Hillary comments here, the Republican sure aren't happy about their gal Hillary going down the tube. Oh well, they say a few years in the political wilderness is good for rejuvenating a party, and lord nows the republicans need rejuvenation.

Posted by: Larry | May 31, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't care whether the next president is Hillary or Obama. Either is fine with me. Just no more Republicans, no matter what.

Posted by: James | May 31, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

What Obama wants Obama gets. That's the message from the DNC today, and it's a message that gives me no choice but to change my party affiliation to Independent. The DNC DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to give one candidate's delegates to another, period.

This debacle today was thoroughly anti-democracy.

The Republican party has won Operation Chaos. Why? Because of the combination of TV-mesmerized and educationally dumbed-down consumers and leftist authoritarian so-called progressives. Fascists are either far-right or far-left freakazoids and, if they have to in order to stay in power, the neo-cons will support Obama... as they have done until they were nearly certain that Obama would get the nomination. Very soon we will see them in earnest begin to tear Obama down with the facts that the MSM has kept hidden.

The Democratic Party has been effectively hijacked.

Posted by: A.L.L. | May 31, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Denver? Denver? is this the only slogan Clinton's backer can think of. The supporters shouting during the RBC meeting were an absolute disgrace -- middle age women and men acting like juvenile delinquents!. So Obama's supporters are suppose to be young gen-Ys and gen-Xers?, at least these young people have the forsight and intelligence to know what is at stake -- $10 gas, a war that has no end with John McSame, and a healthcare and economic plan that essentially says "My friends yer on yer own now don't git sick". To think that these looney supporters shouting at the RBC meeting can walk the streets unchaperoned is a travesty to society.

Posted by: Sunnyside1 | May 31, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

How does Obama receive any delegates from Michigan???

That is totally wrong. He deserves the zero he is as a man and a candidate.

He is the only candidate ever that has been so hated. Because he is a Nationalist and a Socialist, he is a Nazi.

Is it any wonder that Hillary's supporters will not vote for a Nazi?

Posted by: Cool Bobby K | May 31, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton had won the day it would have been even more unfair. She was given a gift today and she had better accept it. I am a Republican Obama supporter who is disgusted with Bush. If Hillary had not actively supported the DNC punishment rules dished out for Fla. and Michigan while she was ahead of the games she might have had more clout when she was obviously losing. She is a liar and apparently a cheat by trying to change the rules now that she is losing. Morality, justice and ethics took a step forward today. I would never vote for any Clinton on any ticket. Thank you, DNC.

Posted by: Sunshine K. Snyder | May 31, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

scrivener...Huh? I know it's Saturday evening, but take it easy on whatever you're drinking. Al Gore wants nothing to do with the Clintons. He's been on that bumpy road before. Remember?

Posted by: Jack | May 31, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

scrivener...Huh? I know it's Saturday evening, but take it easy on whatever you're drinking. Al Gore wants nothing to do with the Clintons. He's been on that bumpy road before. Remember?

Posted by: Jack | May 31, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

As Mayor of the Munchkin City, In the County of the Land of Oz, I welcome you most regally.

But we've got to verify it legally, to see

To see?

If she

If she?

Is morally, ethic'lly

Spiritually, physically

Positively, absolutely


As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined her.
And she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead.

Then this is a day of Independence For all the Munchkins and their descendants
if any.

Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old Witch at last is dead!


apologies to the Wizard

Posted by: Larry the Cable Guy | May 31, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

bho gets 29.5 delegates for removing his name from the ballot ... its really funny...

Posted by: dnc420 | May 31, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The decision on these delegates came out just as I and most people had expected. There were no real surprises. It was the only decision to be made, and the committee did its job.

The more important matter to note is how the Clinton campaign reacts to this. If Ickes' comments are at all indicative of what will come from the Clinton campaign, then it is going to be a long summer for Democrats. If you think the primary season has dragged on forever, the bitter two months of June and July could feel like another eternity piled on top of eternity should Clinton's campaign continue to press her case for the nomination and harp about Florida and Michigan.

The only way that this compromise will work is if Clinton's campaign ceases to be fractious and embraces the essence of the compromise. Unfortunately, this looks unlikely to happen. Should Clinton appeal to the Credentials Committee, which could then make a recommendation that must be voted up or down on the convention floor, this literally will devolve into a convention fight...even if the nomination is already decided.

This is the real irony of this entire fight about Florida and Michigan at this point--they are utterly irrelevant to deciding the nominee. Even the full delegations with full votes don't add up to enough for Clinton to pull ahead of Obama, at least not without a number of superdelegates crossing back to support Clinton instead.

For all of Clinton's rhetoric about the will of voters, she really does want the superdelegates to decide this race in her favor.

Posted by: blert | May 31, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

My god, all the Clintonistas are frothing at the mouth because some black man stole her birthright.
I have no problem voting for a Lady. Hillary isn't a Lady and all her backers are racist bigots.
The GOP wants you. Go and good riddance.

Posted by: pca6661 | May 31, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse


AS PREDICTED HERE: HILLARY TO TAKE IT TO DENVER!

She's on the march... Pelosi and Reid are DONE. They've bullied the wrong gal, and now it's war.

The Clintons to anoint Al Gore. Gore rescues a fading Obama as his VP pick.

And once again, the pundits have egg on their faces.

Hillary's Power Summer: She'll suspend her campaign, withhold her delegates, negotiate with and later anoint Al Gore as the nominee to prevent an Obama candidacy.

The result: Hillary unites the party around Gore, who may convince Obama to run as his VP (unless the latest Pastor-gate makes Obama totally unelectable, even for VP).

And Gore rewards Hillary with a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court.

Once again, the pundits get it all wrong (especially Newsweek's Jonathan Alter, who days ago said Hillary would "withdraw gracefully", a few weeks after he implored her to abandon her campaign).

Chis Cillizza: Stop hanging with your current crowd of pundits and blowhard clowns before their poor judgment and overt bias rubs off on you. CNN could use you: A CNN pundit tonight declared that today was the day that Obama won the nomination... this on the day that his second pastor problem forced him to quit his church, raising more questions as to why Barack waited so long (so much for keen judgment).

Posted by: scrivener | May 31, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Arjuna9....
Please don't judge all women by Hillary Clinton's behavior. There are some extremely intelligent, rational and strong women who would make excellent candidates. A perfect example of a no-nonsense woman who has made it entirely on her own merits, is our Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano. She's the greatest and I hope Obama picks her to serve in some capacity in his administration.

Posted by: Joyce | May 31, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

USA Always-
Too long. Too full of crap that has already been debunked. Go away.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

AS PREDICTED HERE: HILLARY TO TAKE IT TO DENVER!

She's on the march... Pelosi and Reid are DONE. They've bullied the wrong gal, and now it's war.

The Clintons to anoint Al Gore. Gore rescues a fading Obama as his VP pick.

And once again, the pundits have egg on their faces.

Hillary's Power Summer: She'll suspend her campaign, withhold her delegates, negotiate with and later anoint Al Gore as the nominee to prevent an Obama candidacy.

The result: Hillary unites the party around Gore, who may convince Obama to run as his VP (unless the latest Pastor-gate makes Obama totally unelectable, even for VP.

And Gore rewards Hillary with a seat on teh U.S. Supreme Court.

Once again, the pundits get it all wrong (especially Newsweek's Jonathan Alter, who days ago said Hillary would "withdraw gracefully", a few weeks after he implored her to abandon her campaign.

Chis Cillizza: Stop hanging with your current crowd of pundits and blowhard clowns before their poor judgment and overt bias rubs off on you. CNN could use you: A CNN pundit tonight declared that today was the day that Obama won the nomination... this on the day that his second pastor problem forced him to quit his church, raising more questions as to why Barack waited so long (so much for keen judgment).

Posted by: scrivener | May 31, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Anon at 8:56 said:
USA is far, far, far worse than Zimbabwe. At least they will have a re-vote in that third world country! What an example to the rest of the world USA is going to be! It is unbelievable!

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LOL. Misinformation leads to bad analogies.
What's happening in Zimbabwe:
1) It's not a "revote" they're having in Zimbabwe. It's a runoff. They have to have another election because the last one didn't produce a winner.
2) Mugabe's claim, and the gov't's position, is that Morgan Tsvangirai didn't win the majority necessary to become president, not that he didn't get more votes.
3) Tsvangirai and his supporters disagree claim he did claim more than half of the vote and that Mugabe's gov't surpressed counting.

In this situation, HRC is more of a Mugabe-type player, what with the one name ballots and the campaigning after pledging not to. That's why the RBC stepped in to punish the states and by extension, HRC.

Posted by: Mason | May 31, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

To all of the Delegates who's job it is to see to it that America gets the best possible person to be nominated to be the President of America.
My friends and family are extremely worried about Obama winning the nomination.
We are wondering what Washington DC is doing to keep America Safe?

The Republicans will Destroy Obama and it will be well deserved.

DO NOT be surprised if All of Hillary Clinton's supporters beg her to go INDEPENDENT, or else write in her name in, or last, and worst of all vote for McCain.
I know as a 6th Generation American, there is NO way I would ever vote for someone whom I consider to be totally, Unqualified, and a Danger to America.
This is exactly how most of my Family, friends that live on each Coast from East to West and from North to South, some of us are NY Catholic, Southern Baptist, and from Middle of the Country such as AR, and MO. as well as Liberal Westerns, from AZ, CA & OR.

As for those people being LOYAL to Obama how many of them would have stood behind him if the Media would have done their job and reported on all of the above issues?
When the REPUBLICANs get out all of this info how many of Obama's supporters will still be standing behind him.
It will be another big LOSS for the Democratic Party, and the USA.

Obama voted the same way Cheney did for Nuclear and that's the reason that GE, who owns NBC & MSNBC, are NOT allow to say anything negative about Obama

Would B.H . Obama be able to pass a background security check to be hired as a Police Officer in any Town or County across America, since you are asked these questions.
* Have you ever used illegal drugs?
* Have you ever SOLD illegal drugs?
Is Obama a DRUG Dealer?
Obama admitted to both using and selling Drugs in his book. Obama's words NOT ours.

Is Obama a bigot? Obama's words NOT ours.

* Obama wrote in his book of NOT trusting white people. Would a Police Dept hire Obama with that admission, & attitude, since it would be his job to protect all of the people? How can he be President if he has a problem with White People? His comment about his own Grandmother being Typical of White People, says it all.

Obama's wife, Michelle is UN-Patriotic, as are so many of his friends. Why would Obama be Patriotic when his actions tell us otherwise.

* Rev Wright
His associations with so many very Un-Patriotic People, such as HIs Minister & Mentor Honored, Farrakhan, with a lifetime achievement award. He traveled to Libya with Farrakhan. Rev Wright visited with Castro.
Is this why Obama loves flying that Cuban Flag with the terrorist, Che Guevara, on it
Che was Castro's right hand man, a terrorist who killed 10's of 1,000 of people in Cuba. Check out Fox news @ his Texas office. ( Obama needs to be questioned as to his love of this Flag over the flag of the USA.) In my Patriotic eyes this is insulting and treasonous.

1- Click here: You Tube - Obama Communist Flag In Office!
2- Click here: You Tube - Obama and the National Anthem

* Bill Ayers

Another close friend, Bill Ayers, of the Weather Underground.
Bill Ayers admitted and is known to have bombed, NYC Police Headquarters, the Capitol, the Pentagon.
In 2001, After the WTC, B Ayers said, he has NO Regrets about his past, and he feels he did NOT bomb enough buildings, and he cannot say that someday he might NOT resort to once again bombing some of our buildings.

*Rezko ( on trial in Chicago )
* Saddam's Close Associates Auchi, &Aiham Alsamarrae

( is it NO wonder that Obama feels he can sit with leaders in Iran and the entire Middle East and Cuba.) He is already connected to them thru some of his very friends.

His close friendship Rezko, who has introduced him to Saddam's close ties, Auchi, Saddam's money launder, & Iraq's former Minister of Electricity, Aiham Alsamarrae. When Alsamarrae was arrested and jailed in Iraq, his children called B. Obama and asked for his help in getting their Father released from Prison. These are extremely wealthy people, why are they calling on a JR. US Senator to help them have their Father released from jail in Iraq.?Who is Obama that they would call on him?
Ask yourself why his close friend Rezko made so many visits to Syria in such a short period of time, that got our Govt involved in checking into Rezko and his reasons for so many trips to Syria.

*Obama says he wants CHANGE. What change did he give to his small District in Chicago other than bigger DEBT? SHOW this toBlacks Poor or Rich across the USA. Lets see how much of the Black vote he can hold onto then. You know the Republicans will be quick to point all of this out to them as soon as Hillary Clinton is out of the Picture.

Why is Obama writing letters to IL Governor, on behalf of foreign born people, of such questionable backgrounds as Rezko, to help them get Govt Grants, that are supposed to be for Minority Contractors? Rezko secured a $100 million Grant, to rehab 30 buildings in Chicago. He used a silent black partner to get the bid to a minorities.
The work was done on the very cheap side and the buildings were condemned and foreclosed on. The people ( BLACKS ) in Obama's district had NO HEAT thru out the winter of 05. Obama denies knowing anything about this. This is a small area that anyone and everyone with-in Obama's District knows about.

*Seventeen buildings -- many with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.
* Six buildings are currently boarded up.
* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.
* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

If this is how Obama runs his small District what makes Obama and all of you in Washington DC, feel that Obama can make AMERICA run more efficiently?
Who in Washington looking our for the BEST interest of America?

* Remember what our Parents taught us
One Picture is Worth a 1,000 Words
Action Speaks Louder than Words.

1-Click here: Bill Baar's West Side: Carol Marin on Obama, Rezko, and slums
2- Click here: Eric Lee: Obama's slum-lord friend
3- Click here: MyDD :: FACT CHECK: Obama, His Contributor Rezko, the Slum Landlord Business
4-Click here: YouTube - Obama and Rezko
5-Click here: EXPOSEOBAMA.COM


* This is what was done with Grant Money adward to Harlem NY from Bill Clinton. This is money properly spent for the benefit of the people. Its a safe & beautiful area.

1-Click here: The Fitzgerald | 257 West 117th Street | New York | 212.381.2619
2-Click here: Casa Loma Condos on 116th Street « UPTOWNflavor
3-Click here: Manhattan luxury apartments| Manhattan real estate| Manhattan condos 5thonthepark

*This is just a sampling of how the people of Harlem feels about Bill & Hillary Clinton.

Click here: Harlem church leader endorses Clinton - The Boston Globe

-Click here: 125th Street Journal; Mr. Clinton, Your Harlem Neighbors Need to See You More Often - New York Times

Click here: The Battle For Harlem Heats Up - Politics on The Huffington Post
Click here: Obama faces uphill battle against Clinton's Harlem base | World news | guardian.co.uk

* Obama looking to funnel more money out of the USA.

Obama needs to worry about the Economy of the USA and stop with World Wide Welfare. it's called the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), and it is being sponsored by none other than Senator Barack Obama.

It would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend $ 845 Billion or 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts.
Just take a good look at HISTORY to see what happens every time we blindly give to 3rd world Nations. The money never goes to the real poor, but to the dictators who run their countries.
We already are more generous than we should be with other countries. If we do anything for the 3rd world nations instead of sending money we should send them some of our products so that we have America working instead of blindly giving money to other nations were the poor never see most of the money that is meant to help them anyway.

ITs time for us to worry about Our Economy and not be a part of Global Welfare System.

* Obama has the WORST Voting Record in the Senate.

Obama is a junior Senator with three years experience in the US Senate. There is only one Senator with more absentee's than Obama, and that is Democratic Senator Tim Johnson of SD. Johnson has had brain surgery for cancer and has been hospitalized off and on for two years.
Obama has been absent more times than any other Senator. He has missed more votes than any other Senator. The only experience Obama has had time for, in the Senate, is his campaigning for president.

* Obama makes too many errors about our Country and our History.

For anyone insulted by Obama, the pompous, stuttering, moron, who thinks he is above everyone else across America. Imagine graduating from Harvard and you have NO clue as to how many states in the USA. Pretty PATHETIC. What can you expect of someone educated in Indonesia until age 10? or was it 14 years old?
Maybe it was a Freudian slip? & Obama got the U.S.A (50 states) mixed up with the OIC 57 Islamic nations.

Click here: YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 State

* Obama is NOT dignified, or mature enough to be President of the USA.

1- Click here: AOL Search results for "obama gives Hillary the middle finger"

At the last debate that Obama was man enough to attend against Hillary, he was so upset at the questions that were asked of him that the next day he acted like some teenager with a bad attitude. I guess you can take some people out of the slum but you cannot take the SLUM out of some people.

How will Obama act with other world Leaders if he does NOT come off looking good? Will he lose his childish, bad boy temper, and threaten other Nations or their Leader? Lets not forget Obama Threatened to Bomb Pakinstan.

What kind of Adults thought it was Cute & darling of Obama to give Hillary the Finger. That's NOT something that the children of America need to see. It should NOT be Tolerated.

America needs a Leader we can count on who will be able to work with all of America and at times all of the World.
Someone whose History is KNOWN such as Hillary Clinton who has spent her life working hard to make America a better place for all of us, and NOT a big SECRET, like Obama's entire Political History, and his background.
America cannot NOT afford another 4 years of Bush like Politics but it maybe exactly what we get because Washington cannot do its job and research Obama just like we would do a background check on anyone applying for any Govt job.
Washington PROTECT us and let us remain one of the BEST NATIONS in the World.



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Forwarded Message:
Subj: re: For the delegates
Date: 5/30/2008 2:55:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
From: CGG211
To: CGG211


To all of the Delegates who's job it is to see to it that America gets the best possible person to be nominated to be the President of America.
My friends and family are extremely worried about Obama winning the nomination.
We are wondering what Washington DC is doing to keep America Safe?

The Republicans will Destroy Obama and it will be well deserved.

DO NOT be surprised if All of Hillary Clinton's supporters beg her to go INDEPENDENT, or else write in her name in, or last, and worst of all vote for McCain.
I know as a 6th Generation American, there is NO way I would ever vote for someone whom I consider to be totally, Unqualified, and a Danger to America.
This is exactly how most of my Family, friends that live on each Coast from East to West and from North to South, some of us are NY Catholic, Southern Baptist, and from Middle of the Country such as AR, and MO. as well as Liberal Westerns, from AZ, CA & OR.

As for those people being LOYAL to Obama how many of them would have stood behind him if the Media would have done their job and reported on all of the above issues?
When the REPUBLICANs get out all of this info how many of Obama's supporters will still be standing behind him.
It will be another big LOSS for the Democratic Party, and the USA.

Obama voted the same way Cheney did for Nuclear and that's the reason that GE, who owns NBC & MSNBC, are NOT allow to say anything negative about Obama

Would B.H . Obama be able to pass a background security check to be hired as a Police Officer in any Town or County across America, since you are asked these questions.
* Have you ever used illegal drugs?
* Have you ever SOLD illegal drugs?
Is Obama a DRUG Dealer?
Obama admitted to both using and selling Drugs in his book. Obama's words NOT ours.

Is Obama a bigot? Obama's words NOT ours.

* Obama wrote in his book of NOT trusting white people. Would a Police Dept hire Obama with that admission, & attitude, since it would be his job to protect all of the people? How can he be President if he has a problem with White People? His comment about his own Grandmother being Typical of White People, says it all.

Obama's wife, Michelle is UN-Patriotic, as are so many of his friends. Why would Obama be Patriotic when his actions tell us otherwise.

* Rev Wright
His associations with so many very Un-Patriotic People, such as HIs Minister & Mentor Honored, Farrakhan, with a lifetime achievement award. He traveled to Libya with Farrakhan. Rev Wright visited with Castro.
Is this why Obama loves flying that Cuban Flag with the terrorist, Che Guevara, on it
Che was Castro's right hand man, a terrorist who killed 10's of 1,000 of people in Cuba. Check out Fox news @ his Texas office. ( Obama needs to be questioned as to his love of this Flag over the flag of the USA.) In my Patriotic eyes this is insulting and treasonous.

1- Click here: You Tube - Obama Communist Flag In Office!
2- Click here: You Tube - Obama and the National Anthem

* Bill Ayers

Another close friend, Bill Ayers, of the Weather Underground.
Bill Ayers admitted and is known to have bombed, NYC Police Headquarters, the Capitol, the Pentagon.
In 2001, After the WTC, B Ayers said, he has NO Regrets about his past, and he feels he did NOT bomb enough buildings, and he cannot say that someday he might NOT resort to once again bombing some of our buildings.

*Rezko ( on trial in Chicago )
* Saddam's Close Associates Auchi, &Aiham Alsamarrae

( is it NO wonder that Obama feels he can sit with leaders in Iran and the entire Middle East and Cuba.) He is already connected to them thru some of his very friends.

His close friendship Rezko, who has introduced him to Saddam's close ties, Auchi, Saddam's money launder, & Iraq's former Minister of Electricity, Aiham Alsamarrae. When Alsamarrae was arrested and jailed in Iraq, his children called B. Obama and asked for his help in getting their Father released from Prison. These are extremely wealthy people, why are they calling on a JR. US Senator to help them have their Father released from jail in Iraq.?Who is Obama that they would call on him?
Ask yourself why his close friend Rezko made so many visits to Syria in such a short period of time, that got our Govt involved in checking into Rezko and his reasons for so many trips to Syria.

*Obama says he wants CHANGE. What change did he give to his small District in Chicago other than bigger DEBT? SHOW this toBlacks Poor or Rich across the USA. Lets see how much of the Black vote he can hold onto then. You know the Republicans will be quick to point all of this out to them as soon as Hillary Clinton is out of the Picture.

Why is Obama writing letters to IL Governor, on behalf of foreign born people, of such questionable backgrounds as Rezko, to help them get Govt Grants, that are supposed to be for Minority Contractors? Rezko secured a $100 million Grant, to rehab 30 buildings in Chicago. He used a silent black partner to get the bid to a minorities.
The work was done on the very cheap side and the buildings were condemned and foreclosed on. The people ( BLACKS ) in Obama's district had NO HEAT thru out the winter of 05. Obama denies knowing anything about this. This is a small area that anyone and everyone with-in Obama's District knows about.

*Seventeen buildings -- many with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.
* Six buildings are currently boarded up.
* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.
* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

If this is how Obama runs his small District what makes Obama and all of you in Washington DC, feel that Obama can make AMERICA run more efficiently?
Who in Washington looking our for the BEST interest of America?

* Remember what our Parents taught us
One Picture is Worth a 1,000 Words
Action Speaks Louder than Words.

1-Click here: Bill Baar's West Side: Carol Marin on Obama, Rezko, and slums
2- Click here: Eric Lee: Obama's slum-lord friend
3- Click here: MyDD :: FACT CHECK: Obama, His Contributor Rezko, the Slum Landlord Business
4-Click here: YouTube - Obama and Rezko
5-Click here: EXPOSEOBAMA.COM


* This is what was done with Grant Money adward to Harlem NY from Bill Clinton. This is money properly spent for the benefit of the people. Its a safe & beautiful area.

1-Click here: The Fitzgerald | 257 West 117th Street | New York | 212.381.2619
2-Click here: Casa Loma Condos on 116th Street « UPTOWNflavor
3-Click here: Manhattan luxury apartments| Manhattan real estate| Manhattan condos 5thonthepark

*This is just a sampling of how the people of Harlem feels about Bill & Hillary Clinton.

Click here: Harlem church leader endorses Clinton - The Boston Globe

-Click here: 125th Street Journal; Mr. Clinton, Your Harlem Neighbors Need to See You More Often - New York Times

Click here: The Battle For Harlem Heats Up - Politics on The Huffington Post
Click here: Obama faces uphill battle against Clinton's Harlem base | World news | guardian.co.uk

* Obama looking to funnel more money out of the USA.

Obama needs to worry about the Economy of the USA and stop with World Wide Welfare. it's called the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), and it is being sponsored by none other than Senator Barack Obama.

It would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend $ 845 Billion or 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts.
Just take a good look at HISTORY to see what happens every time we blindly give to 3rd world Nations. The money never goes to the real poor, but to the dictators who run their countries.
We already are more generous than we should be with other countries. If we do anything for the 3rd world nations instead of sending money we should send them some of our products so that we have America working instead of blindly giving money to other nations were the poor never see most of the money that is meant to help them anyway.

ITs time for us to worry about Our Economy and not be a part of Global Welfare System.

* Obama has the WORST Voting Record in the Senate.

Obama is a junior Senator with three years experience in the US Senate. There is only one Senator with more absentee's than Obama, and that is Democratic Senator Tim Johnson of SD. Johnson has had brain surgery for cancer and has been hospitalized off and on for two years.
Obama has been absent more times than any other Senator. He has missed more votes than any other Senator. The only experience Obama has had time for, in the Senate, is his campaigning for president.

* Obama makes too many errors about our Country and our History.

For anyone insulted by Obama, the pompous, stuttering, moron, who thinks he is above everyone else across America. Imagine graduating from Harvard and you have NO clue as to how many states in the USA. Pretty PATHETIC. What can you expect of someone educated in Indonesia until age 10? or was it 14 years old?
Maybe it was a Freudian slip? & Obama got the U.S.A (50 states) mixed up with the OIC 57 Islamic nations.

Click here: YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 State

* Obama is NOT dignified, or mature enough to be President of the USA.

1- Click here: AOL Search results for "obama gives Hillary the middle finger"

At the last debate that Obama was man enough to attend against Hillary, he was so upset at the questions that were asked of him that the next day he acted like some teenager with a bad attitude. I guess you can take some people out of the slum but you cannot take the SLUM out of some people.

How will Obama act with other world Leaders if he does NOT come off looking good? Will he lose his childish, bad boy temper, and threaten other Nations or their Leader? Lets not forget Obama Threatened to Bomb Pakinstan.

What kind of Adults thought it was Cute & darling of Obama to give Hillary the Finger. That's NOT something that the children of America need to see. It should NOT be Tolerated.

America needs a Leader we can count on who will be able to work with all of America and at times all of the World.
Someone whose History is KNOWN such as Hillary Clinton who has spent her life working hard to make America a better place for all of us, and NOT a big SECRET, like Obama's entire Political History, and his background.
America cannot NOT afford another 4 years of Bush like Politics but it maybe exactly what we get because Washington cannot do its job and research Obama just like we would do a background check on anyone applying for any Govt job.
Washington PROTECT us and let us remain one of the BEST NATIONS in the World.



Posted by: USA Always | May 31, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I suppose the reason Ickes et all care so much about the 4 delegates is that the DNC has now effectively ruled that the popular vote tallies there do not accurately reflect the wishes of Michigan Democrats.

Not that this should matter so much -- I mean, isn't that totally, totally obvious anyway? and since when does popular vote mean anything, when you have primaries, caucuses, etc and it's really all about delegates, delegates, delegates - but this idea that Hillary should add all her votes to her total, and Obama should add none, or maybe a share of the uncommitted, seems to be something like a security blanket for the Clinton folks who still can't believe that they lost to this young guy.

Posted by: lostintranslation | May 31, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl said....
"The only reason the Obama aligned committee members fought for this is that Obama must not have enough delegates to make the higher numbers."
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Facts:
Clinton had more supporters on the committee than Obama.

Obama was ahead of Clinton by 201 delegates; now he's ahead by 177. With Ickes saying that essentially the Clintons won't be satisfied with any ruling that doesn't come out with her winning, I'm sure the rest of the Super Delegates will make their decision soon for Obama.

Posted by: Joyce | May 31, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I am glad that DNC will allow Florida and Michigan to participate in the Denver Convention. These states are being allowed to participate but being penalized appropriately for ignoring party rules. The handwriting is on the wall - Senator Obama will be our nominee. After June 3, Hillary Clinton needs to take Mr. Ickes and others of his ilk aside and tell them to give it a rest. It is past time for her to do this. If she persists beyond June 3, she will diminish both the Democratic Party's prospects in the fall and her own stature when she returns to the Senate.

Posted by: Karl Shipps | May 31, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

What we witnessed today was the public end of the Clinton control of the Democratic Party apparatus. In politics you know your time is over when people no longer fear you and vote against what you want.
We saw that today.

It took eight years, but the Democratic Party is finally free.

Posted by: svbreeder | May 31, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

The odd thing is that I am a man who has been advocating a woman for president for many decades. I am not a sexist, and I thought that would be good for the country. But Hillary and her supporters have set the feminist movement back several decades. The next time a woman runs, I know I will be watching closely to see if this is a person who is honest, reasonable, logical, and a person of integrity, or if it is another woman similar to Hillary.

Posted by: Arjuna9 | May 31, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

MEMO TO MCCAIN: Here's an important piece of advice: If it looks like it's going to be McCain/Palin anyway (and that should be a "no brainer" for Team McCain), McCain should announce NOW or VERY SOON, rather than later towards the convention. There's currently a growing chorus for Obama/Hillary (as VP) ticket (in fact the Dems are likely aware of the Palin phenomenon). If the GOP waits while movement for Hillary as VP grows -- even worse until after it is solidified that Hillary will/could be VP pick -- selecting Palin will be portrayed by Dems/liberal media more as a reaction by GOP selecting its own female (overshawdoing Palin's own remarkable assets), rather than McCain taking the lead on this. Selecting Palin now or early (contrary to the punditocracy) will mean McCain will be seen as driving the course of this campaign overwhelmingly, and the DEMS will be seen as merely reacting. And, there's absoultely no down-side to this because even if Hillary is a no-go as VP for Obama, the GOP gains by acting early. McCain the maverick. Palin the maverick. Do it now!

There's no reason, and actually substantial negative, in McCain waiting to see what the Dems do first insofar as his picking Palin as VP, because, no matter who Obama picks, Palin is by far (and I mean far) the best pick for McCain and the GOP, especially in this time of GOP woes. The GOP can be seen as the party of real 'change' (albeit I hate that mantra, change, change, bla bla), while not really having to change from GOP core conservative values, which Palin more than represents.

In light of the current oil/energy situation, as well as the disaffected female Hillary voters situation, and growing focus on McCain's age and health, Palin is more than perfect -- now.

(Perhaps Team McCain is already on to this.)

Posted by: Ted | May 31, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

USA is far, far, far worse than Zimbabwe. At least they will have a re-vote in that third world country! What an example to the rest of the world USA is going to be! It is unbelievable!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The DNC Rules Committee is a Hijacker. This is as low as you can fall into deliberate folishness. They don´t know what they are doing.

Posted by: Elisabeth | May 31, 2008 8:52 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ickies is the biggest hijacker on the committee. He helped create the very rules he rails against. He and HRC are well suited for one another.

Posted by: ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead | May 31, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

whatever they had in fla and mich wasn't a primary, because it wasn't within the rules. so whatever resulted in those states was not a "vote," it was some kind of PR exercise. so the nat'l dem rules committe got to decide how those states are represented at the convention, since the states themselves were incompetent to do so. thus no voters were disenfranchised, except insofar as all fla and mich voters were disserved by their state parties and legislatures. the committee came up with a good compromise, and harold ickes needs to get over it.

Posted by: slangist | May 31, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Forget Denver! We should march on Washington and throw all those men out! Then we'll be free to run the country as we've always seen fit. That is our birthright. WE ARE THE MAJORITY! We should be free to love, woman among woman, far away from the old chauvinist jibe that keeps us from our proper place! Hillary is our leader, and we must follow her to the edge of the earth! It is our time, girls!!!!

Posted by: MadGirl | May 31, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

USA is far, far far worse than Zimbabwe. At least they will have a re-vote in this that third world country! What an example to the rest of the world! It is unbelievable!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

lylepink-

Can it. Your lady has lost because she didn't bother to learn the rules of the game. Knowing how to deal with arbitrary, bureaucratic rules is an important part of this job. Suck it up, take a few days to lick your wounds, and stop whining about it. HRC and BHO both support the "ideals of the Democratic Party" far more so than does JSMc. The "far left wing" just supports them more enthusiastically, and this time, in greater number.

Posted by: Mason | May 31, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I see no difference between Hillary and a terriost; she's holding the democratic party hostage and will kill them in the end. She is worst than Bush because I knew where he stood with the ordinary people-he screwed us; she abused my trust in her as a person; it hurts more because of who she once represented.

Posted by: Vonnie932 | May 31, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

She has already been knocked out, by her own supporters.

+++++++++
Ickes talking about the Credentials Committee? Idiots in the crowd (give me "elitists" any day; they have manners) throwing tantrums? That was disgraceful. If it's fair to hold Obama responsible for the comments a priest who happens to know him makes on his own initiative and in his own name, than it's fair to hold Hillary accountable for the behavior of her supporters. It's time for some grace, and some class. DROP OUT NOW.

Posted by: Michael in Philadelphia | May 31, 2008 8:44 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The DNC Rules Committee is a Hijacker. This is as low as you can fall into deliberate folishness. They don´t know what they are doing.

Posted by: Elisabeth | May 31, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"Will Never support Obama"
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Not sure why you wouldn't unless you are republican and would never have supported him anyway. I mean you would rather not support the rightful winner of the democratic nominating contests but instead support a republican candidate who appears not only set to continue the Bush policy but to go even further? Good for you. Don't support Obama and see where that gets you.
Obama 08!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, the committee she thought she had padded shot her down almost unanimously. She no longer has any support within the party. The rats are jumping ship. There is no loyalty in Washington, Hillary's supporters have to get as far up Obamas @ss as quick as they can. The Clinton era is over. The democratic party now belongs to Obama. Thats a fact Jack.

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Hillary's supporters voted against her today. The fat lady has started to sing.

Posted by: ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead | May 31, 2008 8:41 PM

Posted by: voter | May 31, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you people get it straight! It's not just woman voting for Hillary. There are alot of men who don't like Obama for several reasons:

1. He gave ten different answers about his relationship to his church and Wright.

2. He has no experience.

3. He told the New Yorker in November 2006 that he couldn't, not didn't, vote for the war in Iraq and his argument did not include US Intelligence, which he was not allowed to review, because he couldn't vote. Which contradicts his didn't vote argument.

4. He said that Hillary said an ill-advised remark about MLK, when she never put him down.

5. His supporters have only one conclusion about why someone might not vote for Obama and that's racism, especially when they talk about West Virginia. Even though it was a fact that Obama said he wouldn't really campaign there and they knew that they didn't need to go to West VA. But again his supporters have to claim it was of racism.

6. His supporters are extremely rude to Hillary supporters and now they want us to support him.

7. He lied about the NAFTA situation.

8. He has no foreign affairs experience.

9. They don't acknowledge the one thing that can help Obama claim he can unify this party. And that is, because Hillary stayed in the race past Feb 5, we have had a detailed analysis about each stayed and an opportunity to learn about each other and see how instead of stating our differences we can learn how we actually can help each other. But Obama supporters don't do that. They just claim racism.

10. His never said anything about how his pastor asked if Hillary has ever been called the n word, when Obama should have stood up like a gentleman and asked if Wright has been ever called the B word.

11. His real estate deal with Rezco, which Obama is clearly lying about.

12. The fact the he voted present on over 100 votes since he's been in the senate.

13. His health care plan doesn't cover every single american.

I can keep going on, but my conclusion is that men don't like Obama and will not vote for him. It has nothing to do with the gender issue, the race issue. It has to do with Obama's true character and the fact that as we learn more about him, we learn he isn't as uniting as he claimed he would be. I will not support Obama and will vote for McCain if Hillary is not on the ticket. And there are lot of men out there who will do the same thing.

Obama's three arguments when he started his campaign were, judgement, words matter and I didn't vote for the war in Iraq. And on all three he has failed. So that's why I'm not voting for him.

Posted by: harry | May 31, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

A very difficult meeting and a pair of compromise solution that doesn't make anyone truly happy.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank the Clinton supporters in the audience, who displayed their disregard for the First Amendment by consistently interrupting speakers who they didn't agree with. Does Senator Clinton feel this is an appropriate way to hold a debate? Is she going to apologize for the boorish and ultimately fruitless of her supporters?

As for Clinton, she has every right to pursue the matter in the Credentials Committee. She should keep in mind, however, that if she by her actions torpedoes this election for the Democrats, it will be remembered for a long, long time.

Posted by: WillytheKorn | May 31, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse


Evett Ward I thought should have kept his thoughts to himself. Because he chose to attack someone in defeat, his comments were ill concieved.

In appears that Ward meant to make a veiled racial statement and that is what I thought he did.

I think the democratic party will split and McCain will win if he chooses his VP carefully and if the republicans welcome the fallen away democrats.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | May 31, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

To Ted, who wants Sarah Palin as McCain's VP: Sarah Palin is photogenic, nice, not corrupt, and doesn't pretend to know things she doesn't. The problem is: she doesn't know much. As one Republican (who is in a position to know) told me: "Dumb as a post." Think Dan Quayle in skirts, and that's probably an insult to Quayle. They'll trot her out at the convention, but won't be foolish enough to nominate her. Because of his age, McCain's VP has to be someone highly competent, and that isn't Gov. Palin. I'm sorry to say this, because I sort of like her, but no one who knows her would seriously suggest that she should be VP.

Posted by: Alaskan | May 31, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok, anon @8:45.

I'm assuming you're going to stay home, because a Clinton supporter would never vote for McCain based on the issues. They're nothing alike.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

There is only one way I can figure what this means and it is not good for the Dem Party. There are a group of Repubs and the "Far Left Wing" of the Dem Party that are HELL BENT on making SURE the Dems lose the 2008 Election. I cannot figure how these folks that claim to support the Ideals of most Dems, and work to defeat them every way they can. Something is very wrong.

Posted by: lylepink | May 31, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

How's your math these days Chris???

"The proposal would grant 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) and then immediately halve those totals, leaving Clinton with 34.5 delegates and Obama with 29.5 delegates. That is a result closer to what Obama allies had argued for (a 64-64 split) than the plan Clinton supporters had pushed for (a 73-55 allocation)."

How is 64 closer to 69 than 73 is? And how is 64 closer to 59 than 59 is to 55?

They're not. Your pro Hillary bias is creeping into your reasoning/mathematical skills.

Posted by: tomas | May 31, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Cool Bobby K:

I estimate it will take about 2 good years of solid psychotherapy to bring you to a point where you can interact with society. I wish you luck. You're sure going to need it.

Posted by: Thuff | May 31, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Denver here we come. Go Hillary! If Obama survives his church resignation etc, and becomes the nominee, I will settle for unity on November 4, when all Dems are miserable by losing the White House once again!
Will Never support Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"Is it any wonder that Hillary's supporters will not vote for a Nazi?"

Ironically, you areadly do.

Why so many Clinton supporters would advocate the Putin-esque notion that the election process in Florida and Michigan were fair elections is baffling to me. As someone who has studied the election process of despots since 1900, they had more in common with the "elections" of Stalin and Hitler than those of Clinton 42 and Tony Blair. There was only ONE candidate on the ballot in Michigan for Heaven's sake. They were not allowed to campaign in both states, which distinctly advantaged Clinton--the known commodity. Seriously study the Putin election since Yeltsin resigned in 1999 and you will see frightening similarities between those and Florida and Michigan.

Seriously, anyone who says these elections were "free and fair" are thinking with their political hats, and not their logical ones. Does anyone think that if the positions were reversed, that Ickes would likewise be taking the opposite position?

BTW, I'm not voting for either candidate so I have no bias in this matter per se, except for the love and admiration for my country and the preservation of the efficacy of its system of government.

Posted by: Gary | May 31, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Ickes talking about the Credentials Committee? Idiots in the crowd (give me "elitists" any day; they have manners) throwing tantrums? That was disgraceful. If it's fair to hold Obama responsible for the comments a priest who happens to know him makes on his own initiative and in his own name, than it's fair to hold Hillary accountable for the behavior of her supporters. It's time for some grace, and some class. DROP OUT NOW.

Posted by: Michael in Philadelphia | May 31, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I think this deal is awfully darn generous to Clinton. She's getting a 5 delegate plus up that, in truth, she does not deserve based on the Democratic party rules which SHE and HER CAMPAIGN agreed to before the primaries and then cheated on once it was apparent that she might not win after all. She should have the grace to do what Al Gore did, and gracefully step aside once the final results are known in the upcoming primaries. The Democratic party has a chance to win in southern states that it has not won in over a generation, thanks to an energized youth and African-American electorate. Hopefully she's not going to toss all that aside just for her own personal ambitions.

Posted by: George Robertson | May 31, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

What are you b*tching about, Ickes? YOU voted to deny Michigan ANY delegates at all.

Posted by: Bender | May 31, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"The rude behavior of her supporters who constantly tried to disrupt the meeting is reflective of Hillary's persona. We hope she will leave public office for good. I am a female NYer and I won't ever vote for her again for any office."

Don't you worry. Hillary is not interested in returning to the Senate at all. She used NY as her stepping stone to the White House. She bought your vote with ear-marks, our federal tax money. I was amazed by how easily New Yorkers were bought by Hillary.

Posted by: dummy | May 31, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"And Chris, btw, how is 69-59 closer to 64-64 than it is to 73-55? Is 4 (the delegates HRC lost) more than 5 (that Obama lost, v-a-v his proposal)??? Fuzzy math?"

You split those 69 and 59 in half meaning that Clinton only gets a 5 delegate gain as opposed to the 18 that she wanted. (Obama wanted a zero delegate gain)

Posted by: DDAWD | May 31, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Rob said, "There are also 49.8 percent of Dems out there that are still backing Hillary who are not very happy either."

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Good to know you've been appointed spokesman for that group. Never-mind that there are some folks, like my parents, who voted for HRC in CA but now regret their choice.

Posted by: Mason | May 31, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, you better begin sending her more money because she has been talking to 100 people in free venues while Obama has been filling arenas. She doesn't even have a press core any more. After Tuesday she is not even news anymore. Bill Clinton said today they would abide by what ever was decided today and it would be over next week either way. That is straight from Bill Himself.

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HILLARY wuz robbed! Fight on, girl! Clobber that MAN trying to steal victory away from you!

Posted by: Robber Baron | May 31, 2008 8:19 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's supporters voted against her today. The fat lady has started to sing.

Posted by: ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead | May 31, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and her pouting, illogical supporters disgust me. If we are going to have a divisive president who changes the rules constantly, we might as well keep George W. in there.
Obama is the only candidate who has conducted himself like a president.

Posted by: Arjuna9 | May 31, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

This whole committee meeting was turned into a circus by a bunch of immature sore sports. Truly disgusting.

Grow up.

Posted by: Grow Up | May 31, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you people get it straight! It's not just woman voting for Hillary. There are alot of men who don't like Obama for several reasons:

1. He gave ten different answers about his relationship to his church and Wright.

2. He has no experience.

3. He told the New Yorker in November 2006 that he couldn't, not didn't, vote for the war in Iraq and his argument did not include US Intelligence, which he was not allowed to review, because he couldn't vote. Which contradicts his didn't vote argument.

4. He said that Hillary said an ill-advised remark about MLK, when she never put him down.

5. His supporters have only one conclusion about why someone might not vote for Obama and that's racism, especially when they talk about West Virginia. Even though it was a fact that Obama said he wouldn't really campaign there and they knew that they didn't need to go to West VA. But again his supporters have to claim it was of racism.

6. His supporters are extremely rude to Hillary supporters and now they want us to support him.

7. He lied about the NAFTA situation.

8. He has no foreign affairs experience.

9. They don't acknowledge the one thing that can help Obama claim he can unify this party. And that is, because Hillary stayed in the race past Feb 5, we have had a detailed analysis about each stayed and an opportunity to learn about each other and see how instead of stating our differences we can learn how we actually can help each other. But Obama supporters don't do that. They just claim racism.

10. His never said anything about how his pastor asked if Hillary has ever been called the n word, when Obama should have stood up like a gentleman and asked if Wright has been ever called the B word.

11. His real estate deal with Rezco, which Obama is clearly lying about.

12. The fact the he voted present on over 100 votes since he's been in the senate.

13. His health care plan doesn't cover every single american.

I can keep going on, but my conclusion is that men don't like Obama and will not vote for him. It has nothing to do with the gender issue, the race issue. It has to do with Obama's true character and the fact that as we learn more about him, we learn he isn't as uniting as he claimed he would be. I will not support Obama and will vote for McCain if Hillary is not on the ticket. And there are lot of men out there who will do the same thing.

Obama's three arguments when he started his campaign were, judgement, words matter and I didn't vote for the war in Iraq. And on all three he has failed. So that's why I'm not voting for him.

Posted by: harry | May 31, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and her fans have nothing left to fight about. Their brand of gender politics has been defeated both by the voters and by the Party establishment.

Its time to move on to November and after that, on to New York to eliminate the Queen. No more Clintons!

Posted by: Hillary Girl | May 31, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain has just been handed Michigan and Florida in November.

Posted by: Wendy | May 31, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama just lost any chance of winning over Hillary supporters.

Posted by: Frank | May 31, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is much worse than GW. You will miss him dearly if she were to be elected. At least, GW had Laura, while Hillary has Bill.

Go ask a little leaguer and they will tell you "Rules are rules."

Shame on you, Hillary!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Ickes talking about the Credentials Committee? Idiots in the crowd (give me "elitists" any day; they have manners) throwing tantrums? That was disgraceful. If it's fair to hold Obama responsible for the comments a priest who happens to know him makes on his own initiative and in his own name, than it's fair to hold Hillary accountable for the behavior of her supporters. It's time for some grace, and some class. DROP OUT NOW.

Posted by: Michael in Philadelphia | May 31, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

It is worse then that. Ickes helped write the rules.

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Didn't Ickes, along with ALL Clinton supporters on the committee, vote to *impose these sanctions on MI and FL in the first place*? You know...back when they didn't realize their candidate would need the delegates?

What a joke. Why isn't this history pointed out when reporting the statements of people like Ickes?

Posted by: youarestillidiots | May 31, 2008 8:33 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

How despicable! How could they even sit any of the Obama's delegates. He is so clearly unable to run an organized campaign. They should have awarded all States to my gall and taken all of that man's money. His supporters aren't even Democrats, just babes in the woods! I'll go to Denver and burn my bra all over again!!!!

Posted by: MadGirl | May 31, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Hello President McCain as the Democrats just upset two very important states. There are also 49.8 percent of Dems out there that are still backing Hillary who are not very happy either. How does Obama expect to win when he treats Michigan residents like this?

Posted by: Rob | May 31, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"Wow. Clinton should take this to the convention."

And this would solve what, exactly? Look into past rulings regarding RBC's selecting slates of delegates in contravention of primaries or caucuses. Key rulings came down in 1974 in IL and 1981 in WI (I think..). They're perfectly within their right to "adjust" the numbers.

Posted by: Mason | May 31, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Harold Ickes and the Clintons and their supporters are acting like spoiled children. Maybe in the cold light of day they will realize how ridiculous they would look if they try to ruin the Democratic party over a dispute over 4 delegates - when Obama has a lead of over 200!! Unbelievable. I think the committee did a pretty good job under VERY trying circumstances.

Posted by: Chuck | May 31, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"That is a result closer to what Obama allies had argued for (a 64-64 split) than the plan Clinton supporters had pushed for (a 73-55 allocation)."

Huh ?

If anything, the 10 delegate advantage is closer to the Clinton proposal (19 delegate advantage), than the Obama proposal (0 delegate difference).

Can you correct the error ?

Posted by: Math guy | May 31, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Ickes, along with ALL Clinton supporters on the committee, vote to *impose these sanctions on MI and FL in the first place*? You know...back when they didn't realize their candidate would need the delegates?

What a joke. Why isn't this history pointed out when reporting the statements of people like Ickes?

Posted by: youarestillidiots | May 31, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The Clintonistas need to take their bitterness elsewhere. It has gotten very old and very tired. In every game you play by the rules - unless you're George Bush - and you either win by the rules or you lose! Clinton you lost, you will continue to lose and you will in the end be the LOSER! Get real and get over it. I do not hate Hillary - hell I vote for her husband twice - but if you continue this sad stubborn and pathetic refusal to face and facts and take you're pathetic useless fight to the Convention I will never vote for you - not this year, not the next time and not ever. I'm sick to death of your pathetic whinning and pouting because you didn't get your way. Grow up and just shut the hell up! God, you make me sick!

Posted by: dre7861 | May 31, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Nice job Hillary Clinton. You were well represented by a bunch of loudmouthed, disrespectful, ill-informed, bad sports. It's embarrassing to have them in my party.

Posted by: Joyce | May 31, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse


The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee did an excellent and fair job of bringing fairness and balance to a situation that was manufactured by the Clintons. What's more, today the DNC restored sanity to a process that was obscured by the Clinton's convoluted and distorted thinking.

It's totally over next week when Obama seals the nomination!!!

Hillary supporters: Blame your candidate for a sloppy campaign that was arrogant, didn't see past Super Tuesday, couldn't raise enough money, threw away the African American vote, and
lost the respect of us Obama supporters who once stood up for the Clintons in the midst of their deepest troubles.

The Clintons have become a national and international disgrace.

No Hillary on the ticket now or ever!!! It's over!

Posted by: Alan | May 31, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The only reason the Obama aligned committee members fought for this is that Obama must not have enough delegates to make the higher numbers.

Obama's hitting his ceiling. He has hit his ceiling on popular vote rates. Now he's hit his ceiling in delegate rates.

The only reason for this is that he must need a certain low limit in order to get enough delegates to "make" the new limit if MI & FL were admitted with 1/2 votes.

Clinton should definitely draw this out longer. As expected, Obama hit his peak in late February and is headed down.

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The rude behavior of her supporters who constantly tried to disrupt the meeting is reflective of Hillary's persona. We hope she will leave public office for good. I am a female NYer and I won't ever vote for her again for any office.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. Clinton does not deserve to win the state. Disgusting politics as usual from Ickes and the Clintons.

Posted by: John | May 31, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that the R&B committee elected to overturn the election results and take delegates away from Clinton and give them to Obama.

This is an unacceptable and bizarre result and makes it very easy for Clinton to take the contest to the convention as it's so awful.

You would think that the R&B committee would rather forestall her taking this to the convention committee than take 4 delegates away from her!

Wow. Clinton should take this to the convention.

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Voter":
You don't have a constitutionally derived right to determine a party's candidate for president. The party grants you that franchise, and should your elected representatives, acting ostensibly on your behalf, abuse that privilege, the parties reserve the right to punish you.

Making a scene in Denver won't do squat, especially if you're complaining about 1/20th of the margin of victory. Well, it make make you look like a fool who doesn't understand math, but that's about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

as slaves they were worth 3/5th but as dems they are only worth 1/2. dems learned their lessons - dont give blacks more than they are worth. and that is coming from the party that brought you slavery, the civil war, rape of black women, the kkk [thank you sen byrd that is your old organization] jim crow, separate but equal and they also voted against the civil rights act - so the question is:
WHY ARE YOUR STILL DEMS?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to Billary to splinter the party and give the election to McCain. Yeah, keep it going to Denver.....bunch of cry baby morons !

Posted by: Davo61 | May 31, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY wuz robbed! Fight on, girl! Clobber that MAN trying to steal victory away from you!

Posted by: Robber Baron | May 31, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

As Mayor of the Munchkin City, In the County of the Land of Oz, I welcome you most regally.

But we've got to verify it legally, to see

To see?

If she

If she?

Is morally, ethic'lly

Spiritually, physically

Positively, absolutely


As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined her.
And she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead.

Then this is a day of Independence For all the Munchkins and their descendants
if any.

Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old Witch at last is dead!


apologies to the Wizard

Posted by: Larry the Cable Guy | May 31, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"Menopausal women are like that."


O, I think that he meant to say, graying, sagging, post menopausal women are like that!

Posted by: Clarification! | May 31, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

No talk of seating Delegate Alternates, who comprise an important percentage of every delegation and a group of activist who are vital to a successful campaign. They were detailed on the Delegate counts and voting strengths for each state, but not a word on Alternates.

Posted by: Kacoo | May 31, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Harold Ickes is a selectively amnesiac turd. And so is Terry McAuliffe as head of the DNC when he chastised states for early voting and directed they be stripped of their delegates. Gluttonly, arrogance and disrespect for democratic voters...period.

Posted by: Doc | May 31, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Personally, the argument that voters have been disenfranchised by the RBC decision is misdirected. Voters are being disenfranchised by a party system based solely on competition--not only between candidates, but between the two parties and the fifty states.

Posted by: cc | May 31, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters - give up your whining and screaming. All group operations, such as political parties, are compromises. Hillary loses by seeming to be an absolutist or by having her supporters portray her that way.

If she has any integrity left, it's about to go out the window. And you all are not helping one bit.

Posted by: Harry, Los Angeles, CA | May 31, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to describe how they came to allocating Obama his delegates:

the vote totals for Obama for Michigan give him the write in vote based on ecit polls, becuase they do not count write in votes of undeclared candidates in Michigan they therefore do not know what people wrote in, so they are giving Obama the write in votes based on "EXIT POLLS" . This portion of the Obama delegation will be awarded without an actual vote being cast. "TERRIBLY UNFAIR" Obama will also get what everyone thought he would get "undecided". The news and the media may not tell you this. The democrats only mentioned it once but when it came time for a vote they only said give Obama half but they did not revisit how they came to giving hime the number of delegates. http://blackhippychick.wordpress.com

Posted by: Lunnette | May 31, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's bussed in supporters were exactly what the democrats did not need -- I can imagine independents and democratic-leaning republican voters watching this and thinking, "Is this what I want to vote for?" What a spectacle. Obama showed so much more class than Clinton by insisting that he did not want to turn the hearing into a circus by inviting protesters. Hillary was glad to turn it into a circus--a very nice one too. It's almost as if she were saying, "If I can't win this, no other democrat will win it either".

Go away Hillary!

Posted by: Poor Hillary | May 31, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I suppose the real reason Ickes et al are upset about Michigan is that this outcome suggests that the popular vote numbers are not legitimate.

Which is, of course, obviously true.

But now that the DNC has officially indicated that the popular vote does not reflect the wishes of the Democratic voters of Michigan, for many quite legitimate reasons, it will be hard for the Clinton campaign to insist that all of her votes there be added to her popular vote total, and none, or the 'uncommitted', be added to Obama's. That doesn't really matter much to anyone except the Clinton folks, but it's become like a security blanket to them.

Posted by: lostintranslation | May 31, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

If you say the Michigan voters were disenfranchised, that ignores the hard truth that Dem. Party officials in Michigan knew it was likely they would be penalized if they did not follow the party's rules. The only way to seat the full slate of delegates is to change the rules that were established before the process began.

So help me out Hillary supporters...who gets to pick and choose which rules to follow? Do Hillary and Ickes choose? Howard Dean? Bill?

The fact is that Michigan and Florida took a chance when the primary schedule was not to their liking. They should feel fortunate to get any delegates seated at all.

Who gets to set the rules for 2012 and beyond? Should any candidate care what the DNC says or should s/he count on a bunch of hysterical supporters to get the DNC to change its rules midstream?

Posted by: Kansas Dem | May 31, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's bussed in supporters were exactly what the democrats did not need -- I can imagine independents and democratic-leaning republican voters watching this and thinking, "Is this what I want to vote for?" What a spectacle. Obama showed so much more class than Clinton by insisting that he did not want to turn the hearing into a circus by inviting protesters. Hillary was glad to turn it into a circus--a very nice one too. It's almost as if she were saying, "If I can't win this, no other democrat will win it either".

Go away Hillary!

Posted by: orbiter dictum | May 31, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I have news for all of you so-called "feminists" out there.

You are screaming and shouting about sexism, and how Hillary hasn't won because she is a woman. Well, isn't the point of the feminist movement to not act like stereotypical whiney women and instead work to ensure that you are treated as HUMANS and not as "just women"?

Tell me, how is shouting about sexism instead of trying to DO something about it fit in to the feminist philosophy?

Oh that's right, it doesn't. I'm a 24 year old male. I agree with a LOT of feminist philosophy that I have read. I don't, however, agree with "feminists" who complain about sexism, but do nothing.

Look. She didn't win this time. It's not the end of the world. Step back, take a deep breath, and start figuring out how to win the NEXT time. Proving the stereotype to be true does nothing but hurt your cause.

Posted by: A disgrace to true women | May 31, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, but nobody ever thought they would be seated in full. Even if all the candidates had campaigned and had names on the ballot there had to be some punishment for ignoring the party's rules.

They will be seated in full when the nomination is decided... not before that, though.

Posted by: lostintranslation | May 31, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

TO; David S. Robins - posted at May 31 7:25 PM

Whatever validity your remarks might have had is completely negated by your gratuitous, childish, and stupid insult that "menopausal women are like that."

Shame on YOU; that is exactly the kind of comment that your (and my) candidate does not need!

GeorgeR (I'm pro-Obama but I don't have to be anti-Clinton)

Posted by: GeorgeR in Pennsylvania | May 31, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's bussed in supporters were exactly what the democrats did not need -- I can imagine independents and democratic-leaning republican voters watching this and thinking, "Is this what I want to vote for?" What a spectacle. Obama showed so much more class than Clinton by insisting that he did not want to turn the hearing into a circus by inviting protesters. Hillary was glad to turn it into a circus--a very nice one too. It's almost as if she were saying, "If I can't win this, no other democrat will win it either".

Go away Hillary!

Posted by: orbiter dictum | May 31, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy the RBC came to it's senses, and developed a best case plan to move the party forward. Yet Ickes, Clinton and their supporters continue to live in lala land, and hold the party hostage. Ickes himself orginally voted to deny both states of ALL their votes. With all the ignorance vitriol and posturing, it is now time go get her out of the race and the party. I will never vote for nor side with any group, which refuses to abide by the rules, or even act as an adult. Just in case anyone wants to know Obama is now 68 votes shy of the "2118" needed to be the nominee, and Clinton is 241 away. HETY CLINTONISTAS, THIS MEANS THERE ARE NO MORE VOTES AVAILABLE FOR YOUR CANDIDATE TO OVERCOME THE DEFICIT. She lost fair and square. You can now either grow up and help the party, or continue your non-sense and help the Clinton's destroy the Democratic party.


TRUE CHANGE HAS NOW ARRIVED.....GO OBAMA 2008

Posted by: Terence | May 31, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

...ever the 'kamikaze bit h'

sad!

Posted by: megacephalus | May 31, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

the party should never be in a position to to control the fate of ANY nomination. It should be the will of the people. But this is not the time to debate the insane way primary delegate votes are allocated state by state. But be sure of this... Hillary supporters are far from satisfied right now. Obama needs her on the ticket as VP. they both got over 16 million primary votes and women make up a higher percent of the general election voters. We cannot let michigan and Florida go R in november.

Posted by: Hillary for VP | May 31, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's obvious that the DNC "rules" don't mean anything at all. Just wait til next election cycle, when states will all want to move their primaries to January 2. The DNC rules committee should be ashamed of itself for pandering to the Clinton supporters who whined and cried after it became clear that she wasn't going to be the nominee. Clinton and her advisors signed off on the so-called rule before she needed those delegates.

If this is the way she plans to conduct the presidency, I sure hope Obama wins. I don't want a whiner or a person who can't keep her promises in the White House. Her word obviously means nothing to her.

Posted by: Kaelinda | May 31, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The DNC Rules Committee is a Hijacker. This is about as low as you can fall into deliberate folishness. They don´t know what they are doing.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

It's good to have it finally over. Hillary it's over.

Posted by: pokeymonster | May 31, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The 2 compromises are probably the best solutions that any reasonable person could have expected given the nearly unanimous decision of this same group many months ago to levy a 100% sanction on both states. The behavior of the Clinton supporters in the gallery and the performance of Harold Ickes were both disturbing and ominous. What should have been a day of reaching out and healing has been turned into a day of acrimony and divisiveness thanks to the Clinton camp.

I believe the Dem's chances in November were dealt a blow today but no other solutions would have been better or more fair. Although I shouldn't be I remain dumbfounded that Clinton and her advisers would prefer to take the party down with them instead of standing up for America.

Posted by: lennybruce | May 31, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

At this point it is about unity. Hillary is now clearly about disunity. Most superdelagates will flock to Obama now. Hilary has tripped over herself. She previously said the vote did not count in Michigan in agreement with the rules of her party RBC but now she is trying to hijack delegate votes based on her argument that now they do count. She can't have it both ways. She is not bigger than her party. RIP Hillary.

Posted by: Juan | May 31, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

If anything, the rulings today favored Hillary too much, since she had already agreed to not counting these two states before the primaries. I thought the committee was too generous, and then to see the brazen protests and threats from Clinton supporters rudely interrupting the meeting was salient of Hillary''s scorched earth campaign. Her supporters are just as irrational and maleficent as she is. The sooner we get rid of such foul despots as Hillary (a female George Bush) the better our nation will be. I for one am one independent behind Obama now, and thoroughly disgusted with Hillary, and her spoiled child campaign.

Posted by: Unamas | May 31, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Is this what the Clinton campaign has turned into. How dare they say that about Alice Huffman.

Posted by: Lipstick on a pig | May 31, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is done with the Democratic Party. She has no seniority on her Senate committee, and I'm guessing she'll be run out of the Senate in 2012 when her term is up.

Her disregard for rules she agreed to, her delusional stubbornness and her sense of entitlement have ruined this Democratic nomination process. If her supporters are stupid enough to stay home in November and/or give the election to McCain, they will prove themselves just as worthless as Hillary herself to the Democratic ideals.

She will never win another election, and she has disgraced her surname perhaps even more than her ridiculous husband. If Democrats are smart, they will bury the Clintons deep in the vault so they never disrupt the party's needs again.

Posted by: Overcooked Ham | May 31, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

To All Clinton Supporters,

Hillary Clinton and her campaign are LUCKY to have gotten 69 half delegates from Michigan. Michigan's fraudulant Democratic Presidential Primary was a joke. Hillary Clinton left her name on the ballot when both Edwards and Obama pulled their name off the ballot because the National Democratic Committee ruled that the primary was illegal and would not count. Having a primary election when the 2 of the 3 major contenders for that election are not even listed is NOT an acceptable election in the democracy known as the United States. So, Hillary Clinton should have actually gotten NONE of Michigan's delegates.

The best thing that U all could do NOW is to shut UR mouth and stop whining. An even better thing is for U to get out of the Democratic party. If UR major concern is Hillary Clinton not getting "4" delegates from MI -- and getting Hillary Clinton into the White House if U have to steal, lie, whine, and be obnoxiously petulant -- instead of being concerned about the illegal war in Iraq costing almost 2/3 of a trillion dollars, the GOP trashing the US Constitution, and trillions of dollars of continuous Federal budget deficits while the economy of the USA goes into the trash bin -- then U plural -- i.e, meaning ALL of U Hillary Clinton supporters that are bogus Democrats -- who we REAL DEMOCRATS don't want U in OUR political party.

Leave -- GET THE HELL OUT -- and -- as the dolts and jerks that U are -- vote for McCain in November.

The rest of the large majority of Democratic Party voters, independent voters and dissatisfied Republican voters in this country that desperately want change will be on board for Obama's and the Democratic Party's victory.

THAT especially goes for U, Mr. Anonymous Clinton supporter.

Posted by: LesG | May 31, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

When the books are written, I believe this committee meeting, and particularly last night's marathon dinner and today's marathon lunch, will be the moment the party began to come together after all.

I believe it was good for the party that something happened to force these top people, all of whom I assume know each other and are usually on the same side, to talk face to face -- about anything -- and work it out. They have been talking past each other in the media and living in campaign bubbles waaaay too long and they needed to come out and breathe the same air for a while.

Thank goodness the party is coming together at last. And thank you, Chris, for your excellent reporting today.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | May 31, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Ickes is overstating his case -- by about 570,000 voters.

600,000 voted total & Hillary got 55% of the vote. 69-59 sounds like fair split based on that.

Lucky for them I'm not on the RBC. I'd've said no one gets nothing.

Posted by: Scott in PacNW | May 31, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

So....essentially, the results are what was predicted yesterday and what most Pundits predicted.

What else is new?

This road leads to defeat in November.

Congrats....to Obama for the current win... it will be your last.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | May 31, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Harold Ickes and the Clinton campaign should be ashamed. The Michigan Party and Carl Levin and Mark Brewer came up with a proposal - which was not fair to either candidate - but which was in the interest of uniting the party. If it wasn't for the senior statesmen/women like Don Fowler and Donna Brazile - the Democratic Party would be ruled by the mob. It is finally time for a change. And this is from an early supporter of Senator Clinton in New York in 2000.

Posted by: Stuart Kleinman | May 31, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Rules only matter when your candidate is winning? I love how Harold Ickes decided to leave his parting shot by tossing hand grenades at the process he participated in...where was Ickes last year when the decision was made to strip FLA and MI? Incredible!

And to the anonymous (afraid to show his name) poster about us[they] blacks[African-Americans], do you know what we call those Dems today? REPUBLICANS - read a book!

Posted by: Don in No. Virginia | May 31, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, bravo that Hillary didn't get her way. No doubt she's throwing a temper tantrum down in Puerto Rico at this very moment. Menopausal women are like that. She again showed her true and very selfish colors by saying she reserves the right to challenge these eminently fair decisions at the convention in Denver. Well, go right ahead, girl. That way every American will know precisely how selfish and greedy you and Bill are. Bravo for Obama! He'll be a superb President.

Posted by: David S. Robins | May 31, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Welcome President McCain tis November!!!

Posted by: DYL | May 31, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

N O M I N A T I O N D O M I N A T I O N !!


Go Obama 2008 !!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama has lost this elction and left his church today.

A great day for America!

Posted by: Dz | May 31, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"Hijacking four delegates"???? That is something to protest about? When Obama's lead is going to be more well over 200 in just three days?

This was a serious attempt by serious party leaders to find a solution that was politically feasible and still maintains the integrity of the process. Now, please, let's move on?

And Chris, btw, how is 69-59 closer to 64-64 than it is to 73-55? Is 4 (the delegates HRC lost) more than 5 (that Obama lost, v-a-v his proposal)??? Fuzzy math?

Posted by: lostintranslation | May 31, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

DENVER! DENVER! DENVER!

Posted by: Voter | May 31, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

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