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Obama An Issue in MS-01

A new ad by Southhaven Mayor Greg Davis (R) in advance of the May 13 special election in Mississippi's 1st District makes plain how GOP candidates plan to use Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) against their Democratic opponents this fall.

The ad hits on all the potential attacks -- Rev. Wright, the "bitter" controversy -- before asking why Democratic candidate Travis Childers hasn't distanced himself from Obama. "He took Obama's endorsement over our conservative values," says the ad's narrator.

Make no mistake: This ad is a dry run for the fall campaign. If it is perceived to have worked, there's much more where it came from.

But, will it work? The comments section awaits your thoughts.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 28, 2008; 3:02 PM ET
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Posted by: votenic | May 3, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama has publicly announced that he has cut all ties with his ex-pastor so Mayor Davis needs to pull that add. That will soon be water under the bridge. As for the "bitter" comment," he misspoke just like Sen. Clinton did about the Bosnia trip. Sen. Obama is moving on to bigger and better things. He is gaining endorsements left and 'wright' and hopefully will win in IN and NC and put all this nonsense to rest.Obama '08

Posted by: Delishush2u | May 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Swift-boating is designed for Losers only!

Posted by: henry | May 1, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes I think the ads will work. States like Ohio will not go for Obama. Working class whites will swing to McCain. These states are critical to a democratic victory and will be lost. This is similar to what happened to the Southern Democrats in the 60s. The swing shifted the country over to the Republican Party. The only two term president from the Democrats in 60 years was Bill Clinton and that was because he was a moderate. If the Democrats are to win they must appeal to all constituents, yes even non-college whites.Everyone seems to criticize HRC's appeal to this constituent group but ignore the fact that there are a large number of non-college educated blacks in the Obama camp. Some of the pundits like Chris Matthews have strongly hinted that there might be violence if the super delegates go for HRC and therein lies the DNC dilemma. Damned if you do,damned if you don't. I believe that Obama will win the Democratic nomination but the country's perception of him as a radical liberal will haunt him. It's not because of his race (think Colin Powell as a potential candidate), it's the Wright phenomenon.

Posted by: Mikey | May 1, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama caught in crooked money laundering scheme

'Smoking gun' prompts Andy Martin to say Obama should withdraw as presidential candidate


(NEW YORK)(April 27, 2008) The disclosure today in the Los Angeles Times that Barack Obama laundered money through a law firm to conceal the source of his income while an Illinois state senator is the 'smoking gun' that is going to doom his candidacy.

The Times details how Obama was still 'of counsel' to his former law firm, but that he was not providing any services to that entity. Then Obama made a deal with Blackwell, and wanted to conceal that Blackwell was supporting him. So Obama 'laundered' the 'legal fees' by running them through the law firm and then issuing a list of the law firm's clients-none of which had anything to do with Obama--to disguise the Blackwell money in a laundry list of hundreds of unrelated 'clients.'

This was a classic case of money laundering and business fraud. Obama wanted to conceal the large sum he was receiving from Blackwell, so he concealed that Blackwell was the source of his income by pretending he was providing services to the law firm's other clients.

Utter fraud. 'Barry O' ain't stupid, he's slicky and tricky, and he's a ticking time bomb for the Democratic Party.

Obama's 'law firm' was also guilty of professional misconduct, because the lawyers knew that Obama had not provided services through the law firm, and was merely using the firm to obscure the fact that the major source of his personal income was one client on whose behalf Obama was later to advocate (there may have been earlier informal advocacy than the senate letter which has surfaced).

Since the law firm had no relationship with Blackwell, running Obama's fees through the firm was false and fraudulent.

Since Obama had nothing to do with the law firm's other clients, using a list of hundreds of unrelated clients to obscure that only one of those "clients" was paying him money was federal criminal mail fraud as well as a corruption of the ethics rules in Illinois.

Posted by: elme | May 1, 2008 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Write and phone these traitors
to the concepts of Democracy @


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Posted by: purpliscious | April 30, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

typo *to

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 30, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day, they would probably have to resort to these low distraction tactics, because they know they (Repubs) cannot hold water to these candidates on the issues, knowing that many people are in disapproval. So, they want to take a detour away from the issues so that people aren't scrutinizing them instead, focusing on THEIR works. People, people, people take your blinders off and see past the fog. Regardless, don't let them distract you from the issues. That would be an insult to the intelligence of the many of us. Remain focused. I'm not talking about either candidate in this here post. I'm generally saying, keep your eyes open and don't fall short of distractions. Stand firm on the issues. Help this country change its current course. It seems to me, they're the weak ones, and they're getting free rides. I urge you, keep your blinders off and focus on what's going on. Do NOT be distracted. It would seem to me that they hope we're not intelligent enough to see past that. For that reason, I felt obligated to leave this post. The nod to all =) '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 30, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Swift boating is a pathetic design made for those who can not win on their merits.

That's Pathetic.

Posted by: reality | April 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Obama said, "For the first time in her adult life she was REALLY proud of her country.

Mrs. Obama and many, many others were proud as well, because for the first time this country voted across racial lines without a problem and it sent a wonderful message to the world. It was a wonderful experience, extremely exciting to see and harmony was in the air. Everything was kool, until the racist roaches crawled out of the woodwork.

Posted by: stop the nonsense | April 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous (coward) posts:
"Reverend Wright is the tip of Obama's liberal iceberg. Take Mrs. Obama's self-professed lack of pride in her country."

It might help if you knew what she actually said instead of what you would prefer to believe (because it suports your bigotry). What she actually said was, "For the first time in my life, I am REALLY proud of my country." The emphasis is mine because it's the important word that keeps getting left out by cowards like you. She didn't say she had never been proud of the US before, but that this was the first time she felt REALLY proud. Big difference between never having been proud (which is how the anti-Obama mob insists was what she said) and a different level of pride, which is what she actually said.

Don't believe me? Here's a link to a video of her speech -

Though I know the truth will still not set you free.

Posted by: jk5432 | April 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Good Grief! The Democrats are going to be in the White House be it Hillary or Obama.

Posted by: Cheryl L | April 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

What happens if it doesn't work?

If the GOP can't win an election in Mississippi playing the race card, is a 40-seat gain by the Democrats really out of the question?

Posted by: Josh | April 30, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Using Rev Wright is a tactic to detract Obama from talking about the real issues facing America. Rev Wright is not an issue because he is an ego maniac, he is in his words a preacher. Preachers preach what's on their minds, but that doesn't mean intelligent people who listen to them take them literally. I can't remember any sermon that I have heard in in my 50 years. I think most people view the church as a holy place where they go to be in the presence of the higher being (and I don't look at a reverand as that higher being) and to commune with this higher through their thoughts and prayers, not to listen to the sermon.

The media is feeding Rev Wright's ego and is distracting Americans from how the candidate is going to deal with the real issues - the wars on two fronts, the economy, the environment, oil, possible world-wide food shortages. The media needs to stop focusing on Rev Wright.

Posted by: nevadaandy | April 30, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The misguided keep stereotyping Obama as a Muslim because of his step father and living in Indonesia for 2 years when he was in elementary school. How many of you can remember being influenced by religious teachings when you were 7 years old?

If you're going to focus on Obama's Muslim ties then it's only fair that you also focus on Hillary's Muslim ties - one of her top aides since her days in the White House allegedly is Huma Adedin an American born Muslim who was raised in Saudia Arabia.

Posted by: nevadaandy | April 30, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Dear TheFix: Can you enlighten us on the CW on this? When voters vote in one of these two-round runoff elections, and the results come close to mimicking a "normal" election (in this case, the two top-vote-getters got 49% to 47%), do we ever see real shifts in the outcome? Do voters who voted for one guy tend to change their minds 3 weeks later, or do the numbers typically hold up (so that the election is really driven by turnout). Or is the potential effect here not changing people's minds, but rather discouraging voters from coming out a second time? And on that note, does turnout usually go down in the second vote, or up?

Posted by: Joe | April 30, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's ex-pastor - a child abuser.

Posted by: McGruff, the Crime Dog | April 29, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

As Stanley Kurtz of the Ethics and Public Policy Center notes, Trinity United Church of Christ "is arguably the most radical black church in the country." Its black liberation theology has been rejected by mainstream black churches, a source of frustration for its adherents.

This theology is at the root of all that Wright says, so the "context" is as radical as his highly publicized fulminations.

When Wright came to Trinity Church in Chicago in the 1970s -- invited to give the worship a more black inflection and foster stronger ties to the community -- the middle-class parishioners who had beckoned him left when they got a dose of his radicalism. The national United Church of Christ denomination considered distancing itself from the Wright-led church.

Yet Obama came -- and stayed.

Posted by: | April 29, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

mack his speech was bizarre and entertaining. I was particularly bothered by his stressing of our differences rather than celebrating what we as Americans believe are our similarities, all of us being god's children.
But his praising of Farrakan, as a leader of our time, the man who called my religion a gutter religion and Hitler a great guy, was certainly not the education I want or want my family exposed to. And you found that to be inspiring?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

There is a madness in today's 'conservatives' -- a willingness to beleive anything their so-called leaders shove down their throats -- a sheeplike acquiesence to authority not seen since Stalin, Hitler, Mao. Seldom in this country's history have we seen a group as gullible, as mindless, as intent on destroying the Constution and the liberties and freedom it guarantees us.

They would have us spend our way into oblivion in bloody wars for oil, they would take away all our rights and squander our freedom from the tyranny of dictators. They would have us spied on in every way and every place. Nothing that we do or say would be without constant surveillance. They embrace fascism - they hate America. THEY are the enemy.

Posted by: Reason | April 29, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

mark as i posted earlier I believe both would close Gitmo and would be a vast difference in how they run the Justice Dept.

Did you notice my post on Sunday where Obama bragged to Fox and Chris Wallace that they should be thrilled that he totally agrees with them about tort reform. In Texas that has been an utter disaster and done nothing but line the pockets of corporate insurance interests. I will be circulating that statement to as many trial lawyers as I know, it was sickening.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Wright is a distraction period. All those who spend their time ranting and raving over him, should turn that energy toward the candidates and ask them what they are going to do for us in this time of economic uncertainty and time of unwanted war.

The call Wright a terrorist, is that like a Timothy McVeigh who actually terrorized and killed. Language of this campaign is so loose sometimes as to be meaningless

Posted by: nclwtk | April 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

It would be helpful if the press would take the time to actually listen to Reverend Wright, instead of watching the YouTube clips as endless loops.

I listened to his speech at the Detroit NAACP Freedom Dinner last night and found it both educational and inspiring.

Posted by: Mack | April 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

At Al-Asad, a large waste dump and burn pit had many items that appeared to be in perfectly good condition, yet were discarded. I saw flack vests, black and green jungle style combat boots, olive drab field jackets, ammunition crates, tires, inner tubes, and a large volume of food items. These items were going to waste in the burn pits ...

I came to testify before you today because I saw how the troops suffered and put at greater risk because of the shoddy work by KBR employees and the wasteful spending of KBR management. I would do anything to help the military and I hope that my testimony today will make a difference for the troops.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Frank Cassady, a former contractor for KBR/Halliburton from 2004-2005 was also a witness.
I first served as an ice plant operator at Camp Webster at Al-Asad in Iraq and also worked in various locations on electrical projects, construction and laundry. I observed burn pits throughout my time in Iraq, which resulted in millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars being wasted. Burn pits were used by the military and others to dispose of still-useable equipment and items that were no longer needed for a particular project, might need minor repair, or were difficult to transport and find storage ..
These pits were burning 24 hours a day ...

I saw large, ten foot deep trenches dug in the sand where computers, electronic
equipment, and military items that could not be burned were buried. I asked military personal, "Why not send the wood and equipment to other bases?" I was told that it is cheaper to destroy everything and mark it off as destroyed by "the war" than to pay for the truck transport and find adequate storage...
In Fallujah, I saw explosives in the burn pits. There were times when these explosives would go off while I or my co-workers were disposing of waste items. In Fallujah, I observed Iraqis scavenging in the burn pits for items that they could use. They would jump in the back of my truck and try to remove items I was not discarding. Sometimes I had to physically remove them from my truck.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Then, with her voice nearly cracking:
The impact that year had on me has been profound, and there were many times when I was ashamed to be an American working in Iraq. I suffer from anxiety and depression as a result of my experience working for KBR. I was afraid to talk about these events and yet, when I returned to the states, I contacted Members of Congress
because our sons and daughters who are fighting over in Iraq, and dying in the sands, deserve better. My son, who was in Fallujah with me, serving in the Marines, deserves better. Every American must be ready to step up to the plate when called to serve our country, and not be afraid. Our men and women who have stepped up to the plate
deserve the best that we can give them. Please do something about contractor abuses.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

From the first day I was in Baghdad, I noticed something happening which I felt to be very wrong. KBR employees who were contracted to perform construction duties inside the palaces and municipal buildings were looting. Not only were they looting, but they had a system in place to get the contraband out of the country so it could be sold on eBay. They stole art work, rugs, crystal and even melted down gold to make spurs for cowboy boots ...
All of the camps were the same. There appeared to be widespread corruption and no system of checks and balances. For instance, KBR allowed employees to use military convoys to get to the Baghdad International Airport to purchase alcohol. Another practice commonly referred to as a "drug deal" was rampant. A drug deal was a trade between KBR employees for goods stolen from the military. KBR employees would break into a "connex" box, which is a trailer full of supplies, and steal items, including lumber, air conditioners and tools meant for the troops. So instead of the troops using these items, KBR employees took them for their own use. Sometimes the KBR employees would trade these items with Iraqis ...

Posted by: xx | April 29, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Heck Nader effectively cheered for the election of W, anything is possible."

my reference was to Wright's willingness to hurt the Obama campaign and take revenge against HC just like Nader did to Gore. Neither makes or made any sense but I wouldn't put it past Wright and effectively agreed to what you suggested. I also totally agreed that McCain and the 527s have reals of attack commercials in case HC should become the nomination. Anyone who would think that the Rs would avoid using the kitchen sink against either D in the general election would be living in a fantasy world.

So lets summarize: I have agreed with 90% of what bonjedi has posted today and went so far as saying that HC's handling of healthcare in 1994 is a perfectly legitimate issue now and certainly in the general. I have also acknowledged that I think it unlikely even though I strongly believe that Ds will come to regret that decision that she will be the nominee. That does not mean however that I will be wearing an Obama t-shirt or contributing to his campaign in the fall.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

When the Democrats took over congress in January 2007 there was a lot of Republican angst over whether they would immediately turn Capitol Hill into a three-ring circus in an effort to roll back all the tax cuts, impeach the President and rip us out of Iraq. But any Democratic effort to turn tables on the GOP this year has been of minimal impact and drama - primarily because the so-called "MSM" has met it all with a distracted yawn. Republicans need not get exercised, they don't even have to show up - because the cameras ain't rolling.
Let's face it, unless Henry Waxman starts making his hearings look like Circus of the Stars, no one is going to give a flying fig.
That's why it's really disappointing when a truly informative, possibly damning, hearing is engaged and it has all the effect of a tree falling in a forest. Yesterday, while the press corps was squirming and wincing to the sounds of Rev. Jeremiah Wright at the National Press Club, Sen. Byron Dorgan, chairman of the Democratic Policy Committee, heard from former Kellogg, Brown and Root employees about widespread contracting abuses in Iraq. The committee heard from two people who I'm sure White House supporters would deem "unpatriotic" for coming forward, but they sounded anything but. And what they had to say was disturbing.

Linda Warren, a 50-year-old Marine Corps veteran with three sons in the military, worked for KBR (then under Halliburton) in 2004. She was threatened with bodily harm, and then later fired, for speaking out about the abuses she saw. She testified before the committee yesterday:

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Marc @ 5:39 AM writes:

"A good government does not need cheap popaganda [sic], but distributes the national wealth evenly. Look at the catastrophic social imbalance, the unjust health system etc and you see the real face of GOP."

I see you belong to the Socialist wing of the Dem party then.

You probably also agree with Obama's Marxist views on small town Americans, that "they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiments, or anti-trade sentiments out of some sense of frustration".

The Liberal party has always claims to be the party of progress, but the more you regress towards a socialist platform, the less electable you will become.

There is a madness in today's liberal thinking, as evidenced by the left wing of your party. Liberals insist on policies that tie our hands to defend ourselves while giving free reign to the jihadists intent on killing us.

Having rejected God and the religious heritage of our civilization, liberals embrace instead a new order of beliefs of which Communism and Socialism are logical expressions. Senator Obama falls right into this trap, and has now shown himself to be too weak to extricate himself from the ugliness he has surrounded himself with for 20+ years.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 29, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

That ad summarizes why so many real Republicans have left this hijacked Republican Party.

But you know what struck me as the oddest thing? The 'narrator' had a Northern accent.

Posted by: Tom J | April 29, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama Says Gitmo Facility Should Close

More than 80 volunteer lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees today endorsed Illinois Senator Barack Obama's presidential bid.

The attorneys said in a joint statement that they believed Obama was the best choice to roll back the Bush-Cheney administration's detention policies in the war on terrorism and thereby to "restore the rule of law, demonstrate our commitment to human rights, and repair our reputation in the world community." The attorneys are representing the detainees in habeas corpus lawsuits, which are efforts to get individual hearings before federal judges in order to challenge the basis for their indefinite imprisonment without trial.

Posted by: Here Mark | April 29, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. has wriggled out..."

Let's stop right there, people. On its front page, The New York Times has just compared Jeremiah Wright to a snake (and it's downhill from there). I sincerely doubt anyone can find over the past 7 years, say, a similar characterization of a white religious leader of Wright's stature in the news sections of the Times, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, or any other mainstream daily newspaper, including the Wall Street Journal.

Did even a phony like Randall Terry "wriggle" into the spotlight recently when he exploited the hapless Schiavo family? When was the last time anyone can recall the late, unlamented Jerry Falwell described this way by the New York Times? Or Pat Robertson? Or James Dobson? Was John Hagee, McCains bff who loathes Catholics so described?

Now, why do you think that is? It's not because they're conservative. The mainstream media is respectful to all religious leaders. Except when they're black.

Put another way, the mainstream press just proved one of Wright's seemingly most preposterous and narcissistic points. These really aren't attacks on him, but rather on the black church. What Wright calls the "corporate media" wouldn't dare characterize a white preacher like this. Ever.

Posted by: Shame | April 29, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Just to follow up on Tristero's piece on Rev. Wright, I completely agree that this is an attempt to silence liberal voices and make them an automatic political problem. That's certainly what we saw yesterday. Forgetting the fact that the revelation in Wright's weekend remarks was actually that the media misinterpreted practically everything he said, and taking the position that any appearance of the former Trinity Church pastor is simply incedniary regardless of content, the cable news was pretty much an uninterrupted parade of concern trolls warning that this independent individual's public appearances would be like death to Obama's presidential campaign. Because the speech was at the National Press Club in Washington it became real for the Village. He came to the center of THEIR universe, and dared to assail the media for their actions. In short, he trashed the place.

Hardball was of particular note. Tweety was breathing fire, jumping on these appearances, talking about how damaging they were without even really referring to them, asserting bluntly that Wright is now "the lead surrogate for the Obama campaign." His main point of contention was that - get this - Wright has a "raging ego." And he even brought on black minister Rev. Eugene Rivers, without of course mentioning that Rivers has been working with George Bush for the past two terms and wants to be the new voice of the African-American community of faith (he got particularly incensed when Wright deemed the attack on him as "an attack on the black church" - that's of course his role to speak for all black people of faith).

Posted by: Shame | April 29, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"Heck Nader effectively cheered for the election of W, anything is possible."


Posted by: bondjedi | April 29, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

You're right, Leichtman, and I'm wrong. There is no way at all the GOP would use any of that stuff. Hillary would get a free ride on all of that, because none of her baggage has hurt her up to now. The day after Hillary's fantasy nomination, McCain will concede on the spot.

It's not like her negatives are topped only by Newt Gingrich, or anything.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 29, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

of course the GOP would go after HC. Lets see Walmart, a 1976 story when Bill was AG in Ark, Whitewater a failed 70 million dollar story that is now 12 years old, and we all know how obssesed you are about monica again all deal with Bill and he is not on the ballot. Experience: Obama a state Senator for 4 years and a US Senator of little renown for less than 3, an easy comparison.

The healthcare debacle: absolutely a fair issue and curious why your campaign has refused to discuss it in 15 months. Perhaps b/c of HC's vast knowledge about HC, but you are absolutely right, debating HC's mishandling of healthcare in 1994 is perfectly legitimate, the rest ar 12-35 year old stories, before a large number of voters were even born, like arguing the merits of WWII, ancient history.

Rev Wright giving HC a free pass in a general election, only if he wants to drive African Americans to vote for McCain, but that is not beyond possible, he is both brilliant and borderline insane so I wouldn't put anything beyond him. Heck Nader effectively cheered for the election of W, anything is possible.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Note where this ad is playing, in Mississippi, where the exit polls showed a sharp black/white divide, if memory serves. Very good chance of being effective in such states.

Posted by: Tom S | April 29, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, Leichtman.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 29, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"last time I checked Mark Rich was pardoned by Bill, and Bill is not on the ballot."

I see. Hillary touts her experience from her husband's administration, but only that which doesn't taint her. Got it.

We're used to double standards and hypocrisy from the Clintons by now. Count only the votes that give her the nomination, demonstrate a commitment to enfranchising voters by twisting superdel arms in private, health care for everyone except campaign staff, be a stalwart defenders of unions while looking the other way while your pollsters and husband are on the take to lobby for freer trade, the list goes on and on.

In your fantasy world of Hillary's nomination, do you think that the GOP is going to continue to be hypnotized by Rev Wright? How insane are you to think that Rev Wright now would give Hillary a free pass in the fall? Whitewater, travelgate, Monica, the healthcare debacle, Walmart, Vince Foster, the earmarks, Bosnian snipers, Northern Ireland, Colombia, etc. the list goes on and on, and the GOP is itching to use it.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 29, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

mark I believe both HC and Obama support closing of Gitmo and HC would transfer the inmates to Federal Civil jurisidication for trial.

The more important question might be who they would choose for A.G., I pray it might by John Edwards. But we must as lawyers promote the delinking of our judiciary and prosecutors from all politics, D, R and Independents. I certainly don't want politics to be interjected in how my clients are treated when they go to court.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

List of hillary lies

too long to print - will crash servers.

Posted by: we're Dems - we lie | April 29, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman - I agree that TX judicial races should be "non-partisan."

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

last time I checked Mark Rich was pardoned by Bill, and Bill is not on the ballot. Secondly Mark Rich is not going out giving controversial speeches to the NAACP and National Press Club. If he has please post those speeches b/c they might be relevant but clearly he has not.

Absolutely makes no sense your referance to JFK. Why would you think I would waste time telling you to to not support Obama.

Is it cynical to say that Rev Wright and his speeches are hurting the Obama campaig, even David Axelrod acknoweldged as much when interviewed this morning. I truly don't understand why Rev Wright who is part brilliant and part insane going out of his way to undermine Sen Obama's campaign, but if that is now his inclination what would stop him from doing so again in Oct and Nov, then what you go back and yell at HC? You as an Obama supporter should hope that he goes on a 6 month cruise, but with his ego now at issue how can we presume that will happen, that was my legitimate question.

Do I doubt McCain and the R 527s will pull out every possible attack on HC if she is the nominee, of course not.
But the question now is how the real diversion of Rev Wright will play next Tues and on Nov 4 and how it will effect some of our close souther D Congressional races.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The testimony of Col. Davis has been posted here twice this morning, but you Ds seem more interested in the personality profiles of your candidates, their supporters, their legal adveraries, and the crazy pastor.

So let me bring the true scandal of command influence at Gitmo to you in personal terms about your candidates.

The Senator who carries the water for the entire JAG corps as it fights command influence is Graham, R, SC. He brings with him McCain, R, AZ. McC has vowed to close Gitmo.

And what about your candidates? They have not been heard from on this matter, as far as I can tell. If either has, please post that info and its source. For an indie like me that would be more relevant than your idle speculation about the crazy pastor or the result of a hearing in L.A.

I check in here to learn stuff but y'all are failing me, miserably.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 29, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama is been pushed by the far left and the MSM (CNN, NBC, WSJ, MSNBC, CBS
and ABC) - Here are Obama LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES.

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel .

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia , was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa , which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America .

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.

52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife's pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko's wife buys the lot beside it that you can't afford, saving you $625,000.

54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko ($150K) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.

55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.

56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.

57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.

58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright's, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said "Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did."

Verifications -

Posted by: we're Dems - we lie | April 29, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

mark that story remind me of how AG Alberto Gonzales interjected himself in the firing of US Attorneys. Its ridiculous what has happened with what is supposed to be our independent judiciary, not Chuck Rosenthal. mark are you aware of how states like Virginia select their state Justices, it non partisan. I am sick of 100% of our judges being Rs, and feeling that b/c of this disparity and lack of balance that I shouldn't vote for some of my R judge friends b/c they are Rs(which I won't do until balance is restored). As attorneys mark we should fight for the depolitization of our local judiciary and prosecutors and for nonpartisan elections of our judges like in Va.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Stop pouting! It's not you, it's me.... Yes, of course I love you.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

sv, did you see what I did with the Cialis? I'm afraid I'm going to need it again.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"my post posed a real question, and your brilliant reponse: HC is evil."

Not a real question - a real DUMB question.

What is the point of your dumb question? Let me ask you this: what about Marc Rich coming forward? The small-business owners Hillary has stiffed? Heck, Bill Clinton has been the biggest millstone around anyone's neck. You know he'll be shooting his mouth off about something.

Clinton supporters flit from "scandal" to "scandal" like a bee from flower to flower. With nothing sticking, they are forced to regurgitate this idiotic crap, nonsense so absurd that even Newt Gingrich can see what a lunatic Wright is.

Leichtman - your argument is akin to saying in 1960 "Don't vote for Kennedy, becuase in three years some lunatic is going to pop up and take him out." It is indicative of the cynicism that pervades the more backward pockets of this country and Hillary has capitalized on.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 29, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't hate America, and I don't believe the U.S. government deliberately manufactured the AIDS virus. And I'm agnostic, so I can't really expect God to bless or damn anything. That said, there is at least some truth to each of the other statements below:

"I hate America.

We only fight wars for oil.

We torture people.

We are racist, sexist, violent pigs.

We cause terrorism and pick fights with the innocent.

We infect our own with AIDS, especially blacks.

It's not God Bless America... no, no, no.

God Damn America."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"Howard Dean is attempting to head off the Credentials Committee having any impact on the race."

Words of Wisdumb - Source, please.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 29, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

bonjedi: my post posed a real question, and your brilliant reponse: HC is evil. Impressive. Again how would you feel if that happens Nov 1, or can you guarantee that Rev Wright will just go home and stay out of the Presidential race. As a known Obama apologist I would presume that that is exactly what you would want, or would you prefer that Rev Wright campaign with Senator this summer?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The New Math

Howard Dean is attempting to head off the Credentials Committee having any impact on the race.

That is against party rules and Dean should be stripped of all his votes (including those on the Credentials Committee) for this EARLY VOTING PLAN.

Early Voting is exactly what they claim Florida and Michigan are guilty of.

Clearly, now Howard Dean is guilty too.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 29, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman [and any other lawyers stopping by]
did you see this?

Two lead paragraphs for those in a hurry:

"GUANTÁNAMO BAY, Cuba -- The former chief prosecutor here took the witness stand on Monday on behalf of a detainee and testified that top Pentagon officials had pressured him in deciding which cases to prosecute and what evidence to use.

The prosecutor, Col. Morris D. Davis of the Air Force, testified that Pentagon officials had interfered with his work for political reasons and told him that charges against well-known detainees "could have real strategic political value" and that there could be no acquittals."

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 29, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

hey madhatter, since you are so quick to slander a marine who VOLUNTEERED to leave a prestigious college and put his life on the line, why don't you please tell us the details of how you have volunteered your military service to this country and the gun fire you have taken on in Iraq. And text messaging doesn't count as your military service.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"I am curious how his supporters would then feel if Rev Wright should decide to go on another speaking tour oh let's say on November 1 and sinks the nominee."

Here we go with this one again - Hillary should be the nominee because, while she is evil, all of her wickedness has been exposed.

Bring it on. Any country that falls for the naked race-baiting that Hillary has created and reveled in just to sate her narcissism is probably beyond redemption anyhow.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 29, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

goddesscon2001 is completely correct in the posting that Obama now has a second chance to revisit the issue, this time with the right answer.

Obama messed up his speech last month - in fact the speech hurt Obama.

I sense that the Rev. Wright comments this weekend may have been a set-up - get Wright out there making outrageous remarks so Obama can say:

1) see how crazy this guy Wright is?

2) I do not believe in what he says.

3) Obama now can LIST all the things he disagrees with Rev. Wright on.

It is an opportunity.

I think it is a set-up.

To be specific, I think the Obama campaign cooked this whole thing up - sending Wright out there, so Obama would have an opportunity to be a more moderate voice.

Hey, its just a theory.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 29, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

the madhatter demonstrates his name. the term comes from the 18th century, when the chemicals used in the manufacture of men's hats caused the hatters to become insane.

just so, the toxic chemistry of today's republican party make its members go insane -- so much so that they can swallow the crap their party shovels down their throats on a daily basis.

Posted by: disgusted | April 29, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"In the 2004 election they nominated a similar America-hater- far left wing liberal Hanoi John Kerry who had slimed our country and our military before a Senate Committee. While all the liberals loved him during the primaries he then went down in flames in the general election."

First of all, it's clear you don't know anything about Kerry's war record, so shut your hole on that.

Second, the reason Kerry was edged in 2004 was his willingness to believe that the electorate would see through the dopiness of Swift Boaters, and a genuine earnestness in doing the right thing. Obama has that same earnestness, but this time he has some supporters willing to take on liars and bigots like you. So keep your dirty trap shut.

Posted by: TheTruth | April 29, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

since all here universally believe that Senator Obama will be the nominee, I am curious how his supporters would then feel if Rev Wright should decide to go on another speaking tour oh let's say on November 1 and sinks the nominee. Then what, you go back and blame Sen. Clinton for another 4 years of a R administration. Sen Obama is now in a political box. In his speech on race he said he could no more leave his church, and conversely Rev Wright, then his own mom. So that means he won't throw him under the bus as Robinson has implored and we could all be dragged down in Nov.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama was endorsed by the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, the new Black Panther Party, the Hamas terrorists in Palestine, Jimmy Carter, and just about every Islamic organization and enemy of America on the planet and the liberal Democrats all seem to believe the general public won't notice come November. Give me a break!
When all your enemies love a candidate, then there must be a reason. That reason can only be bad for America and real Americans who are patriotic and loyal to their country. The Democratic Party obviously is not bothered by this fact and hasn't learned their lesson from history. In the 2004 election they nominated a similar America-hater- far left wing liberal Hanoi John Kerry who had slimed our country and our military before a Senate Committee. While all the liberals loved him during the primaries he then went down in flames in the general election. Barack Obama's will be a repeat of that in the comming election. George Santana said it best when he said that 'if you haven't learned from history, then you are bound to repeat it'.

Posted by: madhatter | April 29, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman, I agree. Obama has tried turning the other cheek and Wright has used this as his opening to go on his megalomanic spree.

Robinson is right.... Obama needs to totally disassociate himself from Wright.

Posted by: Truth Hunter | April 29, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Republicans doing nasty attacks against Democrats? Why, that's unheard of, it must be Obama's fault.

Get real. If the Republicans were running against God, their ads would say God's cat was a commie.

Posted by: Dema | April 29, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Republicans' theme these days seems to be: "You htink we've done a rotten job? This guy would do worse."
It was not a p[articularly sucessful theme in '06. I don't expect it to be particularly successful in '08.

Posted by: Desperate | April 29, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson offers Obama advice: "Politically, by surfacing now, he was throwing Barack Obama under the bus," he writes. "Sadly, it's time for Obama to return the favor."

and Robinson has been otherwise complimentary of Senator Obama; why then would Senator Obam simply ignore suggestions from one of his own respected supporters?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 29, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Reverend Wright. We could never bring ourselves to vote for a black man or woman for prez, even if he/she were hands-down the best qualified for the job.

Now we have our excuse to vote for the cracker, even if we are priming ourselves for four years of depression.

Posted by: White America | April 29, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I am completely embarrassed by some of my fellow Americans expressions on here. Especially repeating Jeremiah Wrights haven't seen the whole sermon and only show your ignorance by repeating the "tidbits". Barack Obama is our only hope. It horrifies me that people who are full of fear(the older white female vote), people who don't want their families members/friends sent back to Mexico, the Gay community and the undereducated people,all of who are Clintons main supporters, are deciding the fate of my country and my childs future!

Posted by: IndependantQ | April 29, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Racism is alive and well in the good old USA. Shame on us.

Posted by: nleath | April 29, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

the Republicans have nothing to offer, that's why they go on this smear campaign. I've talked to people that have voted Republican all their lives and they will not vote for McCain. The Republicans want to turn back the clock to an all white party. This is a losing proposition for them. This country has so many Asians , Latinos and Blacks and they are growing so fast as a percentage of the population that it is a surefire way to guarantee that they are a minority party for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: LetthemdrinkCrownRoyal | April 29, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

(That's in the Bible)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I hate America.

We only fight wars for oil.

We torture people.

We are racist, sexist, violent pigs.

We cause terrorism and pick fights with the innocent.

We infect our own with AIDS, especially blacks.

It's not God Bless America... no, no, no.

God Damn America.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

why we will never leave iraq and why we will have war with iran:

'OPEC's 13 members plan to spend $150 billion to expand their capacity by five million barrels a day by 2012. But OPEC will need to pump 60 million barrels a day by 2030, up from around 36 million barrels a day today, to meet the projected growth in demand. Analysts say that without Iran and Iraq -- where nearly 30 years of wars and sanctions have crippled oil production -- reaching that level will be impossible.'

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Good thing we have Fox News, because if we didn't we would never hear or read about news that had the potential to damage Barack Obama. The Democratic Party--controlled MSM would censor it because they want Obama elected president come November.

Posted by: madhatter | April 29, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Nobody stays in a church for 20 years unless he agrees with their teachings. Obama not only stayed in Wright's church, he supported them with his money every time the collection plate was passed. Just before the do-do hit the fan over Wright's racist anti-white and anti-America rambling sermons (according to a recent column by Thomas Sowell), Obama gave $20,500 to Wright. Obama is as much a racist and America-hater as Wright and Farrakhan exept he's not as open about it

Posted by: slim | April 29, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

One of many questions that Chris Wallace failed to ask Barack Obama during his 45-minute interview on Foxaganda Sunday was what the Senator thought about David Barstow's devastating exposé in The New York Times the previous weekend.

No surprise. What would be the percentage in replacing one of the plethora of Jeremiah Wright questions with an inquiry about the megamedia's hiring of retired military officers who sexed up the case for the U.S. invasion of Iraq and then exaggerated, distorted and lied about what was happening when the war and subsequent occupation got underway? Would that help the bottom line? Nah. Hence, none of Wallace's pals at Foxaganda are talking about this. Indeed, mum's been the word on Barstow's bombshell throughout the megamedia. The talking point - or perhaps the memo from on high - seems to be: Don't talk.

Don't tell viewers that retired generals and colonels and majors engaged in a war-drumming, flag-waving perversion of patriotism. Or that those in the Pentagon who ordered special briefings for these analysts as part of a domestic propaganda campaign ought to get their mail deliveries slipped between the bars at Leavenworth for the next few years. Avoid the subject and maybe it will go away like so many other stories which have been disappeared as if they were dissidents in some backwater military dictatorship.

No news coverage, no commentary, no questions for any candidates. No abject apologies to viewers from station CEOs who paid double-dippers and triple-dippers to give an official patina to fabrications that have caused the killing and maiming of tens of thousands of Americans and other coalition soldiers. Plus millions of Iraqis. Business as usual. Even two days after the Pentagon suspended the briefings last Friday, Foxaganda was still employing retired Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney without disclosure.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The rub here is this: McCain does not want to leave Iraq. Period. He wants tens of thousands of troops to stay in Iraq permanently. He made a big point of this during the primaries when it was politically advantageous to do so. And he followed up with a qualifier explaining that it's okay because our occupation of Iraq will soon be like our presence in Germany and Japan where nobody gets killed. But there's little reason to believe our occupation of Iraq will ever be like that. We tried this in Lebanon; the French tried this in Algeria; the British even tried it in Iraq. Western countries have a very poor history garrisoning Muslim countries in the Middle East. Iraq isn't like Germany or Japan, not simply because of the history of the country but because both countries accepted decades-long US deployments as a counterweight to threatening neighbors. The relevant point is that McCain believes American troops should stay in Iraq permanently. His pipe dream about Iraq turning into Germany doesn't change that. It just shows his substitution of wishful thinking for sound strategic judgment.

If there is an unfair supposition at work here, there is a simple way to find out. Someone should ask McCain how long he's willing to have us stay in Iraq even if we are sustaining casualties. Since he believes it is in our strategic interests to stay there on a permanent basis I doubt very much he'll say that in that case he'd only be comfortable staying two or five or some other relatively short span of years. That is because he believe we should stay there on a permanent basis, ideally with no casualties but with casualties if that's what it takes. The New Yorker's Rick Hertzberg put it all quite elegantly back in January just after McCain started saying this. "McCain," he wrote, "wants to stay in Iraq until no more Americans are getting killed, no matter how long it takes and how many Americans get killed achieving that goal--that is, the goal of not getting any more Americans killed. And once that goal is achieved, we'll stay."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

The Bush administration is undermining the Environmental Protection Agency's ability to determine health dangers of toxic chemicals by letting nonscientists have a bigger -- often secret -- role, congressional investigators say in a report obtained by The Associated Press.

The administration's decision to give the Defense Department and other agencies an early role in the process adds to years of delay in acting on harmful chemicals and jeopardizes the program's credibility, the Government Accountability Office concluded.

At issue is the EPA's screening of chemicals used in everything from household products to rocket fuel to determine if they pose serious risk of cancer or other illnesses.

A new review process begun by the White House in 2004 is adding more speed bumps for EPA scientists, the GAO said in its report, which will be the subject of a Senate Environment Committee hearing Tuesday. A formal policy effectively doubling the number of steps was adopted two weeks ago.

Cancer risk assessments for nearly a dozen major chemicals are now years overdue, the GAO said, blaming the new multiagency reviews for some of the delay. The EPA, for example, had promised to prepare assessments on 10 major toxic chemicals for external peer review by the end of 2007, but only two reached that stage.

GAO investigators said extensive involvement by EPA managers, White House budget officials and other agencies has eroded the independence of EPA scientists charged with determining the health risks posed by chemicals.

The Pentagon, the Energy Department, NASA and other agencies -- all of which could be severely affected by EPA risk findings -- are being allowed to participate "at almost every step in the assessment process," said the GAO.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion ..or maybe just a blind HOPE...
Obama has a second chance with this Wright issue..he can and should find a way of showing HOW DIFFERENT they are to each other...Wright is not pushing the more we are different ..the more we are the same..
Equality is respect..however, A word to the Rev...Respect is earned..
Obama has earned his own bit of respect by going above the regular politics.He can not continue to do so with mouthpieces flapping loudly .
We need a better perspective of our past ..we need to take a good hard look and note what has changed and what has stayed the same..
Obama can draw the separation of the two of them by doing so..
Rev Wright is the old school of race..scream loud enough and you get attention...
Obama goes about it in a more uniting way..
Then again..sometimes I wish Obama would remind the public as well as the media ..he is MIXED...He is not just a "Black" man..nor is he a "White" man... He is a creation of both and SHOULD be able to get the two to come together..
Perhaps Rev Wright agrees with G Ferraro..
Obama is "Lucky"..and the Rev is still licking wounds instead of trying to heal them...
Unfortunately..his media blitz that he thinks is bringing attention to HIS ISSUE..Rev Wright is starting to push the black movement to equality back about 40 years...
Obama can help the Rev wake up and see..a lot has changed...and more can change IF we elect a true made up of race and culture .. It is a chance for America to be proud of how far we HAVE come..
So please Barack...please the differences between you and Wright..remind them that (HE IS ANGRY) but you are NOT him..
Let us see YOU....

Posted by: goddesscon2001 | April 29, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

to JNoel002
I was referring to the 1990s as the time period in which we attempted to ignore the terrorists - we even delayed our reaction to the USS Cole in part because of change of administration.
Posted by: O Man | April 29, 2008 12:42 AM

Sure, but how are you justifying our presence in Iraq? Iraq had a flimsy at best tie to the threat to which you are referring. So, why is the war we were trying to ignore, as you stated, being fought in Iraq?

Posted by: JNoel002 | April 29, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

GUANTÁNAMO BAY, Cuba -- The former chief prosecutor here took the witness stand on Monday on behalf of a detainee and testified that top Pentagon officials had pressured him in deciding which cases to prosecute and what evidence to use.

The prosecutor, Col. Morris D. Davis of the Air Force, testified that Pentagon officials had interfered with his work for political reasons and told him that charges against well-known detainees "could have real strategic political value" and that there could be no acquittals.

Posted by: republicans' torture politics | April 29, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It seems the AP has fallen for the McCain campaign's and the RNC's effort to prevent anyone from using McCain's own words against him during the 2008 presidential campaign. As noted earlier, what the McCain campaign is pushing for here is a standard in which any negative ad targeting McCain must be delivered with the McCain camp's own spin included in order to be within bounds -- a standard few politicians, to say the least, have ever been granted. And even though the political press has been highly indulgent of the McCain campaign on this issue, I don't think I've seen any news organization so egregiously buy into McCain's false statements as the Associated Press.

The AP article lede reads: "The Republican National Committee demanded Monday that television networks stop running a television ad by the Democratic Party that falsely suggests John McCain wants a 100-year war in Iraq."

So, as you can see, the AP begins by stating as fact the McCain camp's claim that the ad is false. Then it actually directly misstates what the ad says.

As you'll remember, there was some jousting a few weeks back over whether it was accurate to say that McCain is willing to continue the 'war' in Iraq for 50 or 100 years. This is because McCain adds the caveat that it's fine with him because he thinks that the occupation will soon be like our longstanding presence in Germany, Japan and Korea in which we have a substantial troop presence but no soldiers dying in hostile action since the population and governments are content to have us there. So is it really 'war' or only 'occupation' or 'presence'?

The truth is that McCain's wishful thinking doesn't change the fact that he's saying he's happy to have US troops stay in Iraq essentially forever (a century, in political terms, is essentially forever), something very few Americans think makes any sense. But the ad doesn't even get into this question of definitions or McCain's special pleading about whether it's 'war' or 'occupation' or 'presence' or whatever. The ad literally just has McCain speaking in his own voice.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Then, in the lead up to the New Hampshire primary, the senator famously said that he wouldn't mind seeing the U.S. in Iraq for a hundred years, "as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed." And when his political opponents used that statement against him, McCain responded by saying he was drawing an analogy to the current military presence in Japan, Germany and South Korea.

And yet, when he was asked by Matthews in 2005, if he "would you be happy with [Iraq] being the home of a U.S. garrison" like Germany, McCain again said no.

The McCain campaign did not return a request for comment.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

They also run squarely against his image as having a steadfast, unwavering idea for U.S. policy in Iraq -- and provide further evidence to those, including some prominent GOP foreign policy figures in the "realist" camp, who believe McCain is increasingly adopting policies shared by neoconservatives.

Finally, the comments undercut much of the criticism the senator has launched at his Democratic and even Republican opponents.

On the campaign trail, for example, McCain has accused Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton of a "failure of leadership" by advocating a policy of drawing down troops. But in the MSNBC interview, McCain was arguing that U.S. "visibility" was detrimental to the Iraq mission and that Iraqis were responding negatively to America's presence - positions held by both Obama and Clinton.

Somewhere along the way, McCain's position changed. Perhaps twice. As Think Progress reported, in August 2007, as the troops surge was underway, McCain told the Charlie Rose Show that the Korea model was "exactly" the right template for U.S. forces in Iraq. Only three months later, and on the same show, he completely reversed himself.

"Do you think that this - Korea, South Korea is an analogy of where Iraq might be," Rose asked in November 2007.

"I don't think so," replied McCain.

"Even if there are no casualties?" Rose chimed in.

"No," said McCain. "But I can see an American presence for a while. But eventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

When it comes to getting U.S. troops out of Iraq, Sen. John McCain was for the idea before he was against it.

Three years before the Arizona Republican argued on the campaign trail that U.S. forces could be in Iraq for 100 years in the absence of violence, he decried the very concept of a long-term troop presence.

In fact, when asked specifically if he thought the U.S. military should set up shop in Iraq along the lines of what has been established in post-WWII Germany or Japan -- something McCain has repeatedly advocated during the campaign -- the senator offered nothing short of a categorical "no."

"I would hope that we could bring them all home," he said on MSNBC. "I would hope that we would probably leave some military advisers, as we have in other countries, to help them with their training and equipment and that kind of stuff."

Host Chris Matthews pressed McCain on the issue. "You've heard the ideological argument to keep U.S. forces in the Middle East. I've heard it from the hawks. They say, keep United States military presence in the Middle East, like we have with the 7th Fleet in Asia. We have the German...the South Korean component. Do you think we could get along without it?"

McCain held fast, rejecting the very policy he urges today. "I not only think we could get along without it, but I think one of our big problems has been the fact that many Iraqis resent American military presence," he responded. "And I don't pretend to know exactly Iraqi public opinion. But as soon as we can reduce our visibility as much as possible, the better I think it is going to be."

The January 2005 comments, which have not surfaced previously during the presidential campaign, represent a stunning contrast to McCain's current rhetoric.

Posted by: flipflopper | April 29, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Living in the shadows of the Reverend Wight and then getting exposed did it.

What is even worse is his refusal to distance himself from the Reverend saying instead that the Reverend is like family, and that makes it even worse.

Posted by: Natividad | April 29, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I love it! Any criticism of Obama is "racist". Any criticism of Clinton is "sexist".

Save the race baiting for when it actually exists, the constant drone of "racism" when people have honest disagreement as to policy is insulting.

Just a reminder: The whole issue about freedom of speech is freedom of POLITICAL speech. I thought that the Dems were the friends of free speech...maybe I missed the memo that said that freedom of speech was only appropriate when directed against a Republican.

Gawd: I love the political season.

Posted by: johnste3 | April 29, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Black Liberation Theology, is liberation theology with the word "black" added.

The Pope condemed liberation theology and excommunicated priests who refused to abandon it's Marxist teachings.

At issue are the good Rev. Wright's comments about Marxist ideology - not some race thing, not a black v white issue, not a back chuch issue - it's about Obama kneeling and praying for 20 years at the alter of Marxist ideaology.

For years "Remember Chicago's Haymarket Square" was the rallying cry for the American Communist Party. Is it now "Change we can believe in" ?

Posted by: numbers | April 29, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Do these ads really work?
To me it depends on the actually candidate running..
What are the issues? Does this person represent my values..?
I do not interview my neighbors before I move into a community..nor do I do a background check on my boss or local school council PTA..but of them was a prostitute 35 years that means I was also a prostitute as well?
Guilt by association goes both ways..
McCain and the GOP have their own religious wackos that will be their own detriment in the fall.. Calling Rev Hagee...Calling Rev Hagee... Oh and the Keating issue will also burn their behinds...
When one attacks..the other should just hold up a mirror....

Posted by: goddesscon2001 | April 29, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

This is just another sign of the collapse of the Republicn Party. It features:
1. No issues, and
2. half-truths
Then today the Republican Party seeks to stop an ad using John McCain's actual words and voice because, it says, it doesn't tell the whole story. Ijtellectually and morally bankrupt, without an energizing idea in its quiver, having abandoned fiscal restraint for huge government, the Republicans are looking for a bright shiny object to distract the electorate from the abysmal failures that John McCain pledges to continue.

Posted by: pragmatist | April 29, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

*Obama agrees, Wright is a "legitimate political issue"

*Yet, he refuses to renounce his comments

*He admits to being "deeply offended" by his comments

*But doesn't say which those are

*While simultaneously denying hearing the same we've all heard

*And he equates this racist hatred to his under-the-bus grandmother

Moral equivalency, lies, scandal.

And to think, we had an alternative to another Clinton in the WH.

Posted by: USMC_Mike | April 29, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

@ProudtobeGOP : There ist no causal relationship between economic progress and good governance. First, if this were the case, the USA can apply to become a chinese province, they excel in economic growth ! Second, every country worldwide has grown in the past 40 years, we all know this. Specifically, it was a merit of democrats to have stabilized the US economy, the GOP is transferring wealth to the upper class and some key sectors like war industry. The population will have to pay the bill for the huge public and private deficits. Propaganda tries to link sport, economy and scientific achievmeents to political superiority. A good government does not need cheap popaganda, but distributes the national wealth evenly. Look at the catastrophic social imbalance, the unjust health system etc and you see the real face of GOP.

Posted by: Marc | April 29, 2008 5:39 AM | Report abuse

O bomb For prex

A Smart Cookie that knows how to Slice his Cake.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 4:36 AM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party is the racist party so the Obamanistas will fit right in.

Posted by: stew | April 29, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

To the person that wrote this post:


I thought that all you Obama persons believed that super delegates should vote the way the State they represent voted. If that is so, what to do about the several Arizona super delegates that will vote for Obama (At least three and more "on the fence")even though Clinton won the primary in this State. Shall we drum them out of the party? Or how else can we rectify this gross negligence of the orders they were given.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Why didn't Obam just go to a undenominational church if he truly wanted to unite us instead of Trinity? Obams judgement? This just says alot.

Main Entry: de·nom·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: \di-ˌnä-mə-ˈnā-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1: an act of denominating
2: a value or size of a series of values or sizes (as of money)
3: name, designation; especially : a general name for a category
4: a religious organization whose congregations are united in their adherence to its beliefs and practices


What, and now do Obama turn his back on his religion as well? On Rev. Wright?


Character, Sound Judgement, Courage of Convictions. Isn't that how we are measured?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse


Yes she did........Barack did Not.

One could say he didn't want his Brothers against the UNITED STATES harmed, as they will fight to destroy us. How patriotic of Obama.

Maybe Obama will just simply ask our enemies to "reconcile" themselves to us. I sorta don't think that hope and change tatic will work.

Posted by: | April 29, 2008 3:22 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | April 29, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

I thought that all you Obama persons believed that super delegates should vote the way the State they represent voted. If that is so, what to do about the several Arizona super delegates that will vote for Obama (At least three and more "on the fence")even though Clinton won the primary in this State. Shall we drum them out of the party? Or how else can we rectify this gross negligence of the orders they were given.

Posted by: Opa2 | April 29, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

whatever he says about his "former" pastor, obama is now (politically)a "dead man walking."

can the obama donors & superdelegates & howard dean & pelosi & carter & the kennedy clan & the male chauvinist kennedy publicist ted sorensen & all other head-over-heels salivating obama fanatics not see this?

two points are hardly incontrovertible in this l'affaire wright (who's very wrong). & this affair can hardly be dismissed as simply "guilt by association."

firstly, how can a supposedly smart (as obama likes to describe himself) guy got to nurture a relationship with a man he calls almost his uncle for well over two decades--& remained largely unaffected by it?

how could obama have regularly communed with his pastor wright for 20 years--& not imbibed his, no, not simply radical, but TOTALLY ANARCHISTIC POLITICAL VIEWS? (how can wright curse this "GOD DAMN AMERICA" which has taken him into her bosom for almost his entire life here in america--& not be called, no, no simply an ANACHRONISM, but, worse, an ANACONDA?)

now that it's politically mandatory (for his survival) to disown wright, obama has shed his decades-long friendship/relationship w/ his beloved "former" pastor, as if he were merely changing his handford briefs.

2nd point, & this is very revealing. obama himself admitted (in my in-depth research of his open admissions) that, once he had decided to make a full-time career out of being a politician, he (obama) decided to study the oratorical ways & techniques of preachers like wright & his likes. obama admits that he learned a lot from these 'religious" guys on how to move their audience--to tears, to laughter, to scorn, to pity; how to cajole, threaten, beg, & convince.

study obama's stage act during his declamation moments in this campaign--& you'll see, clearly, a wright clone. even the way obama pivots, or executes onstage his 360-turnaround (about face, showmanship-wise or politically) to show himself to all in the crowd is so wright-ish, i can, hardly, for the life of me, ever believe that obama hasn't completely immersed himself in everything that wright has taught him.

no, to repeat, obama isn't merely mortally wounded or badly damaged: he's (politically) a dead man walking. really. analyze this crucial point.****

Posted by: jennifer potenciano | April 29, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I dont know how Howard Dean thinks he should be allowed to change the rules midstream - the Rules Committee has to make some rulings and the Credentials Committee has to be allowed to hear the case.

Let's try some quick calculations:

If Florida and Michigan, with 366 is reduced by 40% - half the pledge delegates and keeping all the superdelegates, which is the substance of the complaint -

First, the addition of 220 delegates would increase the number of delegates needed for nomination to 2135.

On the PLEDGED delegate side, Hillary would probably gain a net 35.

AND there would be about 72 additional superdelegates added to the mix.

OK If Hillary scores some big wins, she may be able to pick up 40-50 more pledged delegates, so she needs to catch up 50-60 of the additionals.

Remember 60 Add-on Superdelegates have yet to be chosen, Hillary may have the inside track there.

The 72 Superdelegates from Florida and Michigan and the 60 Add-on Superdelegates means that 132 Superdelegates which are not even in the mix right now would be there.

This is they mathematics behind Hillary - not the old math that the Obama people have been attempting to sell the country.

So Hillary has to net gain 70 out of the 370 - which is something like a 220-150 split which is not too crazy considering she has strong support in Florida and Michigan - and she might have a good track with the Add-on Superdelegates.

Thank you Goodbye.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 29, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

to JNoel002

I was referring to the 1990s as the time period in which we attempted to ignore the terrorists - we even delayed our reaction to the USS Cole in part because of change of administration.

Posted by: O Man | April 29, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

A doughy, racist scumbag plying his good ol' trade in the Confederacy of Dunces. Not much to see here. Except this:

I continue to be fascinated by the complete disappearance of George W Bush from the political landscape. What, for example, does W think of Greeag Day-vis? Is there an endorsement a-comin? Does Greg proudly stand with the C-in-C?

Because George W Bush is a man conservatives can trust.

Posted by: HeavyJ | April 29, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I hate the campaign commercials right now. It is a matter of saturation. People are tired of these constant battles between networks and reactionary politicians making everyone part of the money to be made on politics. People are far more insightful than hacks percieve them to be.
Half of the story is not the truth in my book.

And what market are they in anyhow ? Someday, I would like a survey done to find out if say, an audience for a particular 24/7 blues and news reader are also consumers of National Enquirer ?

The other trick is to pretend a news organization of the frey by reporting on the reporting of these petty battles in a pluristic society. Watched one person today talk about talking about Rev. Wright for a half-hour today.

Anyway, to discount the effects of saturation would be a loss of revenues for many. I think radicalism on any side will be rejected eventually. Who will be first to say, we won't carry the spin risking a loss in ratings. Pssst in a populus movement, the people do the advertising.

Posted by: Mark W. | April 29, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, thinking like this is going to win you some elections all right. How come nobody before you ever had your brilliance?


"By Novenmber 4 it will seem that 2008 america is more racist than kkk 1910 america.

You know why?

Thats cause it is!!!!!

Posted by: pvogel88 | April 28, 2008 10:26 PM "

Posted by: ThisIsReality | April 29, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Reverend Wright is the tip of Obama's liberal iceberg. Take Mrs. Obama's self-professed lack of pride in her country. Take Mr. Obama's conflating of faith, guns, xenophobia, and opposition to illegal immigration into one big faculty lounge stereotype of people in the heartland. Take Mr. Obama's plans to tax-and-spend us into further debt.

The idea that raising Rev. Wright against Obama is racist is just absurd. It's not the color of Rev. Wright's skin that is offensive, it's the content of his character. Rev. Wright says things that are just plain nuts -- paranoid, inflammatory, and Anti-American (I use the last adjective reluctantly, but if saying "God D-mn America" isn't by definition anti-American, I don't know what is).

Obama is the Republican party's dream -- the foreign policy naivete of a Jimmy Carter combined with the culture war sensibilities of Michael Dukakis. He is the 2008 incarnation of Connecticut's Ned Lamont -- he'll make news by riding the anti-war tide to the nomination and then get creamed by a moderate in the general.

Dems should realize that the only president they've elected for the past 30 years (an entire generation) was a southern moderate. This basic fact seems to elude them.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

By Novenmber 4 it will seem that 2008 america is more racist than kkk 1910 america.

You know why?

Thats cause it is!!!!!

Posted by: pvogel88 | April 28, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

We tried to ignore this war, not fight and hope that it would go away.
Posted by: O Man | April 28, 2008 10:09 PM

Did we? Or did we go into Iraq looking for something that we never found, or wasn't ever there. Meanwhile, the real enemy you speak of was regrouping and continuing to exist.

It isn't quite as black and white as you seem to describe.

Posted by: JNoel002 | April 28, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Response to

What are you talking about??? We all care about the lives lost in Iraq.

Do you care about the 3,000 Americans who died on Sept 11 ???

If we do not fight back, the terrorists will come again and there will be more.

We have lost 7,000 in this war already.

You can count in there too the USS Cole, the towers in Saudi and the embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya.

We tried to ignore this war, not fight and hope that it would go away.

For years we did that.

Then came the attacks here.

All I can say is You are disrespecting the 4,000 Americans who already died in Iraq by wanting to leave without finishing the job.

Our objective is to have Iraq be a stable, free democracy and it will be. We are down the road.

If you get this nation to quit, you will get nothing for what we put in there already.

Posted by: O Man | April 28, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The Obama circus continues...........
Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 28, 2008 9:30 PM

Probably all the way to the White House.

Posted by: JNoel002 | April 28, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Campaign Issue # 1 for this year's General Election

Obama says the Rev. Wright's views are fair game in the political debate.

McCain disagrees saying it is not fair game.

At this point, the North Carolina Republican Party agrees with Obama.

The Obama circus continues...........

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 28, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

My Response to bondjedi:

The Obama people for weeks now have been saying the rules are the rules - they have used that phrase to justify not counting the votes of millions of Americans.

Well, well well.

The Rules are the Rules - and the voters and the party deserve that the rules are not violated.

This year, there is a extremely important issue before the RULES Committeee and the CREDENTIALS Committee - those two proceedings have to play out before the nomination vote is taken.

It is pretty simple.

Why in the world would there be a Credentials Committee if its purpose were not to hear complaints about who can vote and who can not.

In fact, the issues before the RULES Committee may actually INCREASE the number of delegates needed for a majority.

If a portion of the delegates from Florida and Michigan are seated, then the number of delegates required for nomination may increase by 150-200.

This is important in any superdelegate "early voting" scam that some democrats may be cooking up.

Isn't that EXACTLY what Florida and Michigan are losing their voices for - Early Voting ???

Howard Dean is attempting to change the rules midstream - hhhmm where have I heard that before????

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 28, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

USMC Mike, Your only concern is that the "shock value" of Wright will wear off.... that's your only concern?

Wright is selling a book, and to do so has thrown Obama under the bus. While the GOP and $$$-stream-media keep our focus on this nonsense, the country is sliding into third-world status.

If you want more of that, then defintely vote for McSame or Billary and hope that the "shock value" doesn't wear off for Wright.

Posted by: Truth Hunter | April 28, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse writes "You just don't want higher taxes because you don't like blacks, and you don't want to help them."

Maybe you'd better aim a little higher than Community College level; with smarts like, it seems like you're selling yourself short.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"seldom does the country have the chance to boldly strike out in a new direction with a visionary leader."

Yeah, Obama's such a visionary, he picked Jeremiah Wright to be on a committee in his campaign for president even after Wright warned him to distance himself and Obama admitted that "sometimes you get a little rough" from the pulpit.

Maybe a trip to the opthamologist is overdue.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Even Obama admitted Wright is a "legitimate political issue" on Chris Wallace Sunday.

Anyone arguing those who question the Obama-Wright relationship are racist are intillectually dishonest pigs who have no interest in the truth.

My only concern is, will the GOP wear out the "shock value" of this madman (Wright) before November?

Until Obama really renounces his "Crazy Uncle", Wright alone is reason enough to vote against the junior Senator.

Posted by: USMC_Mike | April 28, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

It remains to be seen if voters are going to opt to change the state of their country, or to stay mired in the Clinton-McCain business-as-usual politlical swamp.

Rev. Wright's dispicable self-promotion is just more of the African-American community not being well-served by their leaders.

I hope the pols endorsing Obama stiffen their political spine.... that is what voters are looking for.

The Wrights, Billary and "Limbaughs" will come and go, but seldom does the country have the chance to boldly strike out in a new direction with a visionary leader.

Posted by: Truth Hunter | April 28, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Words of Dumbness, the people of this planet that inhabit reality know what the rules are, and know that it's political suicide for the party to let a few bad actors upset the cart.

Why don't you work on changing some of the rules that genuinely affect your life, like checking in with your probation officer? It's a good thing that the adults have control of this thing, and the Lee Harveys of the world are kept on the fringe.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 28, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The Superdelegates are supposed to vote at the convention in August.

By encouraging the Superdelegate to vote early, Howard Dean is basically instigating a "vote early" conspiracy.

HHHHMMMM Isn't that what Florida and Michigan did? They voted early.

What is the penalty here????

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 28, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: MISTER CAPS | April 28, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I love that you're outraged by The DNC's procedures, but you're not outraged that 4,055 American kids have been killed in Arabia because you want to fight them over there but not over here. I appreciate your ability to do some investigative journalism, but you're morally outraged by delegate apportionment? Come on. You just want lower taxes because the 1% of this country have either brainwashed you or you just want to sniff their throne. and you want to keep playing war in Arabia because you're too afraid to challenge George W. Bush's wisdom. I'd have more respect for you and your ilk if you'd just be candid.

Posted by: | April 28, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I would like to bring up the topic of Dean's push for a resolution by mid-June - however practical that effort may appear on the surface, it basically prevents the Credentials Committee from ruling on Michigan and Florida in a way that would affect the nomination process - that is wrong.

The DNC rules are there for a purpose.

The candidates and the voters have rights - Dean is basically breaking the rules by reversing the order of the vote -

This is the proper procedure - all the issues regarding the delegates get resolved first.

There are ALSO complaints before the RULES COMMITTEE on the Florida and Michigan issues

We need to have a guest host fill in for Chris this week - someone has to say outrageous things and get everyone all crazy

What about Dean

He is such a stickler for the "rules" AND the Obama people are so crazy about the "rules" as the justification not to count the votes of millions of American citizens in Florida and Michigan.

HOWEVER - what about the "rule" allowing people to bring issues up to the CREDENTIALS COMMITTEE AT THE CONVENTION?

Howard Dean is basically breaking the "rules" by telling the Superdelegates to vote before the Credentials Committee has debate and a vote on the issues of Florida and Michigan.

Also, there are SIGNIFICANT issues before the RULES COMMITTEE which I believe meets in June


Also, the Superdelegates have the right to CHANGE their vote up until the Convention.

By encouraging a resolution in June, Dean is essentially breaking the rule which allows the Superdelegates to change their vote before the Covention.

Howard Dean should be penalized by not being allowed to vote at the convention - the same penalty leveled agains the voters of Florida and Michigan.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 28, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

In Mississippi? I'm not surprised. Actually, I'm surprised the ad is as soft as it is. Republicans have nothing to offer the American people, but the fact that they love the flag more. Thanks guys! 95% of these conservative talking heads and pundits are racists. They want lower taxes because they hate "wasteful spending." What kind of wasteful spending? Wasteful spending, in Republican speak, constitutes programs that might help blacks. And Republicans will pretend to be outraged that I've challenged their views on race. AWWW!!! POOR REPUBLICANS. Apparently the party that is "so toughh" on terror, the party that'll eavesdrop on your phone calls, the party that believes 4,055 dead kids in Arabia is not enough, the very same party cannot handle it when people don't wear flag pins or when people say America could be better. They're little girls. And they love talking about Rev. Wright because they want to remind you that Barack Obama is black. If it wasn't Jeremiah Wright, it'd be Lewis Farakhan. And if neither of those men existed, then they'd put a picture of Barack Obama next to Malcolm X. They're racists, and they say things that are racist. They want this country to suck because they're miserable. They're fake Christians. If you were really a Christian, then forgive Jeremiah Wright. Can't do it, can you? I know. Babysteps. Stick to this McCarthyism and keep trying to scare me with BLACK PEOPLE! AHHHHH! Maybe read a few books, polish that old platform of yours? No? All right.

And proudtobeGOP, I actually agree with you that this it is legitimate for Republicans to challenge individual candidates' loyalty to their standard bearer. But then I get to call you a racist. You just don't want higher taxes because you don't like blacks, and you don't want to help them. And I also get to ask you how many dead American kids in Iraq is enough. 4,055 dead kids is apparently not enough. So how many?

Republicans are a silly people. Jeremiah Wright might be Obama's albatross, but Republicans are the albatross hanging around this country.

Posted by: | April 28, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

It is one thing to attempt to portray a discussion of the Rev. Wright topic as out of bounds racism.

However, even Obama said this weekend that it is not.

1) Black Liberation Theology - how much of this does Obama believe??

2) The fact that Obama brought his children to that church time after time ties Obama to the Rev. Wright and these ideas.

3) IT is not racist to ask "What exactly are Obama's views?"

We receieved precious little from Obama in his speech.

I read a justification for Black Liberation Theology - there was certainly an outline there and an assertion by Obama that at least the views were understandable.

Let's take Michael Steele for instance, formerly second in command in the State of Maryland, what are his beliefs ????

Is he more mainstream than Obama???

It is legitimate to ask - does Michael Steele believe that Black Liberation Theology is understandable?

I am simply mentioning Steele as an example.

The point I am attempting to make is where are Obama's views in the context of the range of views in the black community??

It is fair.

Obama is simply way too extreme - he actually had a chance to center himself in the past few weeks but did not.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 28, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Mccain will be destroyed in the general and most Rep's know it. He is getting a chance to run because who else would want to get destroyed in November because of the last 8 years of Bush. He has no chance, he is one of the biggest phonies in politics today. He flies around on his wife's who has a few hundred million dollars jet. He dumped on his first wife, was a drunk, did drugs, married his wife for her money. He was a total failure till his father-in-law bought him a political career. He has some nerve calling Obama elitist anything for that matter because he is such a piece of dirt. Depending how dirty the Dems decide to get they can tear this guy to shreds. He is a total target for some hardball politics. No wonder he doesn't like that kind of campaign he is too dirty himself.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Jewish-Americans have a word for the Obamanistas who are whining that the Republicans are the racists because they're bringing up the racist white and America-hating Jerimiah Wright Jr.'s hysterical rants that were straight out of Nation Of Islam leaders Louis Farrakhan playbook,CHUTZPAH.
The facts are that:
* IT WAS JERIMIAH WRIGHT who was the PROVEN RACIST when he accused all whites of purposely spreading the AID's virus in the black community to cause genocide (according to Jerimiah Wright, whites CONTROL OUR GOVERNMENT and it was the GOVERNMENT that gave blacks AID's, REMEMBER).
* IT WAS JEREMIAH WRIGHT JR. who accused whites of training professional killers, importing drugs into, and creating a racist society to oppress blacks in America.
* IT WAS JERIMIAH WRIGHT JR. and his so-called "Church" who gave white and America--hater Louis Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement award and who not only marched in his white and America--hating Million Man March parade, but traveled with Louis Farrakhan to Lybia to kow-tow to Mohammad Kadafy spewing hatred against America and helping our enemies.
The only racists here are Jerimiah Wright Jr. the Obamanistas who are still excusing and supporting him, and Barack Obama, who for over 20 years sat in his pew with his family and halelujahd and amened on the racist anti-white and anti-America ranting sermons of Louis Farrakhan desciple Jeremiah Wright Jr., as he accused all whites and America of every problem going on everywhere in the world and in the black community.
The Republicans using the racist anti-white and anti-America hating Farrakhan and Wright sermons is nothing more than the chickens comming home to roost. Since Barack Obama obviously agreed with their message (he wouldn't have stayed there 20 years if he didn't) the use of the racist anti-white and anti-America racist hatred promoted by Jerimiah Wright Jr. for political purposes isn't racist because it's the truth. It exposes the real racists!!!
The Democrats I'm sure would crucify McCain if he had been a 20 year member of the KKK or the American Nazi Party. The RACIST chickens are comming home to roost right back to the Democratic Party coop.

Posted by: madhatter | April 28, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

What's great about MS-1 is that if Childers loses in the runoff, we Dems can say, oh well, it's an R+10 district in the deep south, just having a chance at stealing a seat like that is huge.

If Childers wins, which might well happen, we can offer the results as proof that the usual R wedges aren't working as before and that R voters aren't nearly as motivated to vote as D voters this year.

And of course all this is based on a swing of maybe 10,000 votes, a pretty small sample size in a CD that might well be one of a kind.

Posted by: novamatt | April 28, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

If there's a last bastion of backward thinking racist white Republicans in the country, that would be in Mississippi. I'm waiting for the ad warning white Mississppi to lock up their daughters if that Black man becomes President!

Posted by: thebob.bob | April 28, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Clever as it may seem, this stuff in the end doesn't work. People are not stupid or sitting around waiting for someone to tell them how to think. They vote their own interests, period. Show them you can do something for them and they will support you and they would not care if you were a baby killer.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Heartened to see that your loyal flock already has ruined your "vacation."

And you thought you'd do an Otis Redding ("sittin' by the dock of the bay, wastin' time...)

You've restored my faith. Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Posted by: scrivener | April 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse


that is exactly what will be left of your paycheck after Obama gets done with it. a little change and a strong belief that hope is gone.

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"Bubba's scripted meltdown "

there has been a lot of that going around lately. I am not cynical enough to think it is scripted, I think he is really losing it. Can he catch Jimmy Carter in the wackiest ex department?

He promised hillary the office if she would just let him keep the intern. Now he is caught in another lie/false promise. Are lying Libs allowed to lie to each other or is that against union rules? If one clinton talks to another, how do you tell which one is the liar? answer, whoevers mouth is moving.

Question 2 - if Hillary declares, as in the Bosnia tale - "I am lying" what is the truth, assuming everything she says is a lie. she said she is lying but she lies, so she must be telling the truth, but she always lies so...................

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

so let me get this straight. First, they tar and feather Obama for attending church. Now the Mississippi Republican party has decided to tar a man who is running as a Democrat and supports Obama, who attends church.

Why do Republicans in Mississippi hate Christians?

Posted by: Ann | April 28, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

By November $5.00 a gallon gas. No one will care about Wright, just how they are going to drive their cars and pay their bills. There is no way Mccain can get the stink of Bush off him no matter how he tries. A Dem will win no matter who it is.

The Rev. Wright issue is the most potent weapon the Republicans have against Obama. The more the Republicans wear out the Rev. Wright issue, the less effective it will be in the general election.

By June 1st when gasoline is on average $4.00 per gallon, and more deaths/injuries come out of Iraq and Afghanistan, most Americans will be cursing the name Bush and the Republicans tied to him. The more Rev. Wright is pushed out of the RNC camp the more Americans will start demanding discussion of the issues and CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse



Posted by: MISTER CAPS | April 28, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"In appearing on Fox News, Obama has failed to act like a properly enraged Democrat in a big way."

I am going to semi-agree with the right-wingers, and say that Fox News is unfairly demonized, at least FNS. My only beef is that it find someone with more intellectual heft than Bill Kristol. I know that some people take pride in being brighter than their bosses, but BK has gone overboard in fancying himself an intellectual, given that his boss for the longest time was Dan Quayle.

The greatest television moment in recent memory is Bubba's scripted meltdown in his sitdown with Chris Wallace. Obama fared much better than Mr. Clinton, probably because he didn't expect to get lobbed softballs like Bubba wanted.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 28, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

The media has a chance to be professional and force a REAL DEBATE, and we are still stuck on nonsense while our country sinks.

Ironically, whatever, the outcome of the election, Rev. Wright will probably continue to have a powerful impact on saving taxpayers money by keeping young folks on the straight and narrow roads.

Furthermore, from what I hear, Rev. Wright is booked for years to come to speak at various events attended by a variety of races.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse


So your vacation lasted 3 hours?

The ad does not work for me. I'm a for Obama.

I guess "conservatives" must like the hushed patronizing narrator with no message, positive or negative. "Buy our brand because theirs is not us". Really?
How about selling yesterday's news as the promise of the bright tomorrow.

Yeah, buy now and we will tell you later what you have just bought. I call that baloney. Stale, unimaginative, so twentieth century. That is the brand of "conservatism" the narrator-huckster is peddling. Buy it at your own peril.

Posted by: piktor | April 28, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

BJ - not going to the convention this time around. got a conflict with the Jimmy Buffet concert. Sending the staff instead. besides that is a big boating weekend. One has to set priorities. Besides, the R convention is going to be pretty predicatable. We even know who our nominee is going to be. Imagine the planning and organization that must have gone into that outcome.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting you are a Lib. don't bother trying to imagine organization and planning. Imagine free ice cream.

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Markos Moulistas writes of Obama on FNS:
"It exposed his campaign as a bunch of liars. The Obama campaign's press show promised people that Obama would 'take on' Fox News. Of course, none of that happened. That would've electrified 'the left,' and we know that Obama doesn't want to do anything that might make him look like a 'captive' to it."

This complaint is especially telling. The charge that the Obama campaign is "a bunch of liars" is a potent one. It shows that a measure of the anger that the far left habitually vents could well be headed in Obama's direction.

The Netroots love blaming political setbacks on their politicians failing to "act like Democrats" which by their definition includes frequent instances of spittle-flying rage.

In appearing on Fox News, Obama has failed to act like a properly enraged Democrat in a big way.

at least drindl is at all times properly enraged.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

yep, that's our drindl all right. but just because she's paranoid, doesn't mean we're not out to get her.

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Final Day of GOP Convention 2008 - Held at the Holiday Inn, Minneapolis Airport

Sore Loserman - And I'd like to thank all seven of you people here who voted for me for VP. Hopefully I will energize Jewish voters this time around, and not cost anyone Florida.

KoZ - Hooray! Bring out McBush!

(McBush wheeled out in chair)

Proud - He looks just like FDR!

McBush - Who wants $10.00 a gallon gas?

Proud - I do!

Koz - Me too!

McBush - My health plan has cheap medical care. You don't really need anesthesia, do you?

KoZ - Heck, no!

McBush - And I promise that you won't have to worry about people forcing Spanish on you ...

Proud - Sweet!

McBush - ... because when I'm done with the Middle East, you'll be forced to learn Farsi!

KoZ - Yay!

McBush - If you want to envision what my America will look like, just look to the YFZ!

KoZ - Such pretty dresses! That's the America we yearn for!

Posted by: bondjedi | April 28, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse


Great. Now I'll have Green Day in my head until I can go home in a couple of hours and play the song. Thanks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

"They can run Paris Hilton against McCain"

It seems thay have come awfully close to just this - a naive youngster with no experience. but in Paris' defense, she is making lots of money in business and can hold down a job. she also has all sorts of turnout at her events just to take in the image.

At least Paris actually answers questions when asked, so she may turn out to be a better candidate than you have settled on. but Paris seems to have a much better sense of herself than Obambi and she is probably too smart to vote D.

the only way the Dems win is if they can fool the media into ignoring every issue. you want higher taxes, bigger government, repressive regulation and world veto of any US policy - vote for Paris....I mean Obama.

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

koz, I told drindl the other day that there's a song that reminds me of her evertime I hear it...

Do you have the time
to listen to me whine
about nothing and everything all at once?
I am one of those
melodramatic fools
neurotic to the bone, no doubt about it
Sometimes i give myself the creeps
sometimes my mind plays tricks on me
it all keeps adding up
I think I'm cracking up
Am I just paranoid?

(Or maybe Zappa's "Catholic girls"?) he he

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"more so than naive youngsters - like yourself???"

How much naivete does it take to be sold on the snake-oil you've been shilling - that the GOP has over the last eight years led us into a fantasyland of peace and prosperity?

Maybe you guys don't get it yet - it doesn't matter who the Dems put up. They can run Paris Hilton against McCain, and McCain will go down in flames. The only way the GOP wins is if Hillary crashes the convention and succeeds in selling the crap the Dems are rejecting.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 28, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The Rev. Wright issue is the most potent weapon the Republicans have against Obama. The more the Republicans wear out the Rev. Wright issue, the less effective it will be in the general election.

By June 1st when gasoline is on average $4.00 per gallon, and more deaths/injuries come out of Iraq and Afghanistan, most Americans will be cursing the name Bush and the Republicans tied to him. The more Rev. Wright is pushed out of the RNC camp the more Americans will start demanding discussion of the issues and CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

Posted by: AJ | April 28, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Proud, you might put drindl out of a job if you keep posting from Kos and using LOL like that.

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, the Fightin' Nutroots were none too pleased with Barack Obama for taking his road show to Fox News over the weekend. Today, the king of the progressive blogopshere, Markos Moulitsas himself, filed an extensive grievance on the matter.

Moulitsas had four main complaints:

1) "A right-wing media outlet taunts you for a few months, and the way to show strength is to cave in to those taunts? Kind of an odd approach." Kos went on to lament, "We've spent the last few years in the netroots working to discredit Fox News as the propaganda network strives for mainstream respectability"

2) "It made Obama look weak, and he was."

3) "It gave Fox a propaganda victory."

4) "It exposed his campaign as a bunch of liars. The Obama campaign's press show promised people that Obama would 'take on' Fox News. Of course, none of that happened. That would've electrified 'the left,' and we know that Obama doesn't want to do anything that might make him look like a 'captive' to it."


Wow. How bad is it when the king of the effeminate libs calls you "weak"?

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

bondo, If you'd like to attend my kickboxing class tonight, I'll show you some tricks. Or we could train for my next triathlon if you're up to it. Something tells me you're not.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I particularly enjoyed 'point blank'. I had forgotten that one. Loaded it up on my iphone later that night.

bonjedi - or can I call you BJ for short - some old geezers seems to be exactly what your pal Obambi seems to lack. He might have the youth vote (or what eventually feebly materializes as such) locked up but seems to be struggling with mature adult voters. could it be that they are skeptical of false promises and snake oil saleseman, more so than naive youngsters - like yourself???

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"The second concert I took my daughter to was Green Day. Front row, awesome! FWIW, bondo, you're characterization of pretty much everyone older than 29 as "geezers" is laughable and only shows your glaring inexperience."

Cool. Tell us about your combover and other tricks you have stumbled upon to maintain that teen spirit.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

koz, Whoa that set list sends a chill...
wow! I really loved The Rising played live, and c'mon...She's the One and Badlands? Dude, that's gettin religion right there.

If that's a geezer, then count me a geezerphile.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I would like to remind all of the HRC Supporters that you all seem to have a problem with Math. I guess Obama was right when he said the government is broken because all of HRC Supporters have failed math. If you go to real you can clearly see that Obama has a substainal lead over Hilary. You all got Obama twisted if you think he is going to drop out.

Obama will be elected the nominatee it's only a matter of time come June 6 after every voter has cast their vote the winner will emerge and that will be no doubt no question asked Obama.

We need to remind ourselves what really matters and that's the issues: The economy, foreclosure; lost of jobs, low wage jobs; healthcare for everyone; jobs, jobs, jobs to help the young adults get back into the workforce and end the volience on our streets across the country.

We need educate for ll of the children regardless of what race, end the war in Iraq and bring our troops home.

We need a President who can unite this country and restore what Bush has done so far by leading this country into proverty, distruction, and division.
We should use sound judgement when we go into the voting polls and not vote for someone for the color of their skin or by listening to lies about how much experience someone has. We need a real leader not someone who wants to continue walk in President Bush's footsteps.

We are all apart of America let's stop the hatred and get along.

Obama for President

Posted by: jacie | April 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Remember all the fuss over hillary's campaign theme. then it was uncerimoniously changed soon after.

I stick with Keith Richards take on the whole thing when asked about the anti-war single. If you are Keith Richards and still alive, you are on to something. he said:

what do I know about politics? I dropped out of high school to play guiter. ask me about playing guiter. It's just a song.

gotta love Keith.

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

bonjedi - McCain can dig up John Philips Souza.

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"God bless the Boss and his endorsement, but he's a geezer and 99% of his fans are geezers."

The second concert I took my daughter to was Green Day. Front row, awesome! FWIW, bondo, you're characterization of pretty much everyone older than 29 as "geezers" is laughable and only shows your glaring inexperience.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Proud - it must be very difficult to remain a singer for the blue coller when you are rolling in money. I found his musical work beginning to sag not too long after he tasted success. I never really paid much attention after the change. I was very happy that he played lots of the oldies though and he is still the best showman of any concert I have seen, and I have seen them all. there are bands where I like every song, such as Eagles, and fleetwood mac, but they just stand there and play. Bruce leaps around, smiles, tells stories, goofs around, plays to the back of the stage, etc. I am a devoted fan for life and will always swear by the boss. but his John Kerry song (last to die for a mistake) and now his obama song don't do anything for me. they were the least liked by the crowd.

but he took himself not too serisouly about it. He said "what do we do when we don't like something - we sing about it."

I was channeling Zappa then - "shut up and play your guitar".

I had floor seats and didn't mind standing for three hours in the least. surprising number of NJ visitors to Atlanta that night.

the Danny slideshow was sad and brought tears to many. but considering how many rock and rollers never made it out of the 70s, the E street band has fared well. Nils was superb, but Mighty Max seemed a little tired. Clarence looked none too fit though and I hope he is doing OK. the boss has as much energy as my kid though. Little Stevey still looked Sopranos to me.

check out the setlist here:

Posted by: kingofzouk | April 28, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I am a Hillary supporter but I am disgusted that in some areas of the country local republicans are running such a smear campaign and they probably went to church on Sunday.

Posted by: NE Philly | April 28, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"I was at the springsteen concert in Atlanta on friday. Bruce was telling about his new song (the obama song) and some guys started yelling 'John Mccain'. I remembered how he held a fundraiser for Kerry, after which most of the attendees went out and voted for bush anyway."

God bless the Boss and his endorsement, but he's a geezer and 99% of his fans are geezers.

Obama would be hard-pressed to find a musician more irrelevant and out-of-touch with youth than Springsteen. The only one he could grab would be Elton John - whoops, looks like someone has dibs on him.

I heard that McCain wanted a musician that appealed to his base to endorse him, then gave up on the idea when he was told (by Lieberman?) that Welk was dead.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Great concert but poor disillusioned libs still think anyone cares who rock stars vote for."

Posted by: guess who??

koz? Springsteen was the first rock concert I took my daughter to; it was at FedEx field but still an awesome show. He was carrying on about Bush & Cheney back then, too.

Too bad about Danny.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

just learned the other day that John McCain's chief economic advisor is former Senator Phil Gramm. Can you discuss the significance of that choice?

You could fairly convincingly trace the current financial meltdown back to legislative changes that originated with Phil Gramm, including ending a banking regulation called Glass-Stiegel [and banning the federal government from regulating hedge funds].

It's no secret that McCain wants to further deregulate capital markets and that he wants to go way beyond Bush in terms of tax cuts. So if you didn't like Bush-onomics, and I didn't, you really won't like McCain-onomics.

But McCain originally opposed Bush's tax cuts, didn't he?

That's true. I don't know if he's pandering now and the old McCain is going to come back if he gets elected or if he's actually become a really vicious supply-sider, but I'm going to choose to believe what he's saying and what he's saying is quite discordant.

Posted by: Economist Jared Bernstein | April 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Baghdad bracing for summer electricity crisis.»
Last year, "massive blackouts" hit Baghdad, as temperatures spiked into triple digits. State Department official Charles Ries said that electricity demand, which has been growing 7 to 9 percent each year, "could be greater" this year. Additionally, blackouts may be more severe because "drought has cut in half power generated by hydroelectric plants." "There is no chance we will be able to meet demand in the summer," Ries said.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Readers' Corner
"The real problem is this: ex-Presidents don't undermine sitting Presidents. Truman didn't do it to Eisenhower, nor Eisenhower to Kennedy, Johnson to Nixon, Ford to Carter, Bush to Clinton, Clinton to Dubya. And if anyone should observe this tradition, it is a one-term President informed by 44 states that his opinion no longer mattered to them; but this one has been behaving badly for nearly 32 years now."

-- Ken Hayes,
responding to
"The Sad End of Jimmy Carter."

Posted by: obama is the return of peanut | April 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

No, the comments of Wright will not work. They are trying to use it as an issue but it won't be an issue. The media need to take a step back and look that things they are trying to make into something just don't turn into anything. They are trying to neutralize him but it is not going to work. Let them whine about it.

Then, when the dems keep talking issues, the GOP will realize that not talking about the issues will come back and burn them.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, get out of the catbox! How many times have I told you not to eat that stuff?

Posted by: Mrs. Zouk | April 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

proud you missed my point entirely, add maybe?
my point is that this commercial's link of this candidate to Rev. Wright and Sen Obama, is so tenuous that it would be as ridiculous as linking Sen. McCain to some of the ridiculous positions by Gov Huckabee. Neither strawman argument therefore would make any sense.

you are obviously a little slow today, might want to check on some ephedra.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

funny story - I was at the springsteen concert in Atlanta on friday. Bruce was telling about his new song (the obama song) and some guys started yelling 'John Mccain'. I remembered how he held a fundraiser for Kerry, after which most of the attendees went out and voted for bush anyway.

Great concert but poor disillusioned libs still think anyone cares who rock stars vote for.

Posted by: guess who?? | April 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

gawd leichtman, you rail against strawmen in one post, then create several of your own in the next.

Yeah, I'm busy all right. Your lithium refill is ready.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Can't I just eat my waffle? I've answered like 8 questions already. I am ready to be sworn in already. Get on with it.

Posted by: snObama | April 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I would like to thank those of you who phoned into the Clinton campaign with numbers of people that you think would have voted for Hillary. Based on my projections, Hillary will have now won 750,000 new votes.

Already, the mainstream media is reporting that Hillary has more popular votes than Obama. They will report anything we tell them; soon we will report shifts in elected delegates.

Posted by: deadender | April 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

SnObama, After watching you waffle on Fox News Sunday, I must concur.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

" libs would be doing just that"(inisisting that R reject Huckabee's rejection of evolution).

proud since you post that it is only libs that believe in evolution and gravity we can only presume that those concepts are foreign to you and have not yet reached either you or your party. Apparently your party's platform along with demanding that we are a Christian nation now would like to include resolutions that gravity and evolution are scientific myths that only libs believe in.
I guess you are too busy to consider these concepts since you are apparently choking on your hypocrisy of supporting the Cornyn/Coburn nuclear option.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that racism will work in MS. All the bigots have already chosen sides; this sort of race-baiting only works when there are fence sitters.

Posted by: bondjedi | April 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

the ad will only work well among people who were alreayd going to vote for him it wont bring the swing voters in it just smells like racism

Posted by: andy fromerly of philly now of dc | April 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I do not speak my mind. In fact, I never really say anything.

Posted by: snObama | April 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

my point was that if Wright truly wants to bring us together, why would his speech stress our differences, rather than point out our many similarities. We know there are cultural differences, but we are also all Americans and most of us believe to be god's children. Logically that should seems to be the candidate's natural response to these speeches, curious if others here agree with that concept?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Real Sources vs. Anonymous Sources [Kevin D. Williamson]

In his newest column, Daniel Pipes makes the case that Barack Obama is not being as forthcoming as he should be about Islamic elements in his background:

Obama's half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events." Watson learned from childhood friends that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." Barker found that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong" (a garment associated with Muslims). ...

Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.

Notice that these are not anonymous sources, not "former associates" or "people in a position to know." These are people using their own names, including members of Obama's family. These are much more difficult claims to dispute than "sources say."

Posted by: real lies - the Dem way | April 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"Why not insist that every R reject Huckabee's rejection of evolution and insistance on a flat earth and then demand that the R candidate reject him."

I'm sure if he had secured the nomination, the libs would be doing just that.

Obama issued a declaration to McCain as "the standard bearer of the party", he threw down the gaunlet. Now he is the one whose words and associations will have to be either rejected or endorsed, clumsy, opportunistic or offensive as they were. Tisk, tisk. Poor Obama, caught speaking his mind about average Americans behind their backs and asscociating with anti-American zealots.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Curious why we haven't heard him say we are all god's children and have more in common then the differences he seems to want to stress?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 28, 2008 3:27 PM

Indeed, why hasn't Obama or his campaign pressured Wright to smooth this over? Especially since he seems so fond of his new found celebrity.

Posted by: JNoel002 | April 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

leichtman: they must assume that independent voters are as narrow-minded as rank and file Republican voters.

Posted by: Spectator2 | April 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

its a typical strawman argument. Link your opponent to a strawman who they have absolutely no connection to and then demand they reject him. Why not insist that every R reject Huckabee's rejection of evolution and insistance on a flat earth and then demand that the R candidate reject him. Or insist that proud reject John Coryn and Coburn's call for the nuclear option to the filibuster that they all embraced 2 years ago.

If you think about it, all of these arguments really insult the voters proud and the Rs wants to attract.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Things like this are going to work like a charm, especially since Rev. Wright is going to keep saying spectacularly stupid things. And, Obama's supporters are going to respond by largely falsely claiming that those concerned about Wright are racists. Most people don't like being called names, and in the privacy of the voting booth they're going to respond.

If any Obama supporters want to strike back, go to a McCain appearance, ask him the following question, and then upload his response:

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | April 28, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Mr Long, come back to the barn. drindl is busy blogging.

Posted by: bessie moo | April 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

bsimon writes "one of Rep Walz's challengers demanded that Walz distance himself from Obama's words describing voter bitterness."

It is perfectly reasonable to ask if a candidate agrees with, or rejects Obama's comments about small town Americans clinging to their guns and religion. He is afterall, the standard bearer for the Dem party, as the frontrunner and presumptive nominee.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans want to make Rev Wright Sen Obama's running mate. At some point it will be concluded that they have overplayed their hand and that they have nothing else to offer. Personally I am sick of seeing him on tv and hearing his ego. He is obviously a brilliant man but he also borders on insanity and he should understand that his appearances are fundamentally undermining his candidate, which apparently he doesn't seem to care much about.
Curious why we haven't heard him say we are all god's children and have more in common then the differences he seems to want to stress?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the ad will work in the way the Republicans need. Neither of the Obama "incidents" are great enough to mobilize/energize the conservative base. All signs point to trouble for the GOP in the fall. The only way I see conservatives coming in droves is if Hillary is the nominee.

Posted by: JNoel002 | April 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor. I have also included other snippets related to the time period when the vote occurred.

September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.

July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.

March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then.

February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn't even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%.

June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.

May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.

October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.

April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.

August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

So there it is. John McCain is yet another republican former military veteran who likes to talk a big game when it comes to having the support of the military. Yet, time and time again, he has gone out of his way to vote against the needs of those who are serving in our military. If he can't even see his way to actually doing what the troops want, or what the veterans need, and he doesn't have the support of veterans, then how can he be a credible commander in chief?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Freshman Rep Tim Walz (D Mn-1) has also been attacked in this fashion. His district is rural; one of Rep Walz's challengers demanded that Walz distance himself from Obama's words describing voter bitterness.

Posted by: bsimon | April 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Who is drindl? Obviously not the person posting. Isn't that a violation of the blog rules? What a weird site this is.

Posted by: Lena NC | April 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The National Journal piece from this past weekend is only one of many we've seen recently. Less than three weeks ago, the AP reported:

U.S. soldiers are committing suicide at record levels, young officers are abandoning their military careers, and the heavy use of forces in Iraq has made it harder for the military to fight conflicts that could arise elsewhere.

Unprecedented strains on the nation's all-volunteer military are threatening the health and readiness of the troops.

Less than a month before that, Army Vice Chief of Staff Richard Cody testified before Congress:

Given the current theater demand for Army forces, we are unable to provide a sustainable tempo of deployments for our Soldiers and Families. Soldiers, Families, support systems, and equipment are stretched and stressed by the demands of lengthy and repeated deployments, with insufficient recovery time. Equipment used repeatedly in harsh environments is wearing out more rapidly than programmed. Army support systems, designed for the pre-9/11 peacetime Army, are straining under the accumulation of stress from six years at war. Overall, our readiness is being consumed as fast as we build it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I continue to hate, hate, hate. My life offers little else.

Posted by: drindl | April 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I see the Republican racist attacks on Obama continue. No surprise. What else has the morally bankrupt R party have?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

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