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Obama's Political Jujitsu

Less than 24 hours after the third and final presidential debate of the 2008 election, Barack Obama is on television with a new ad that seeks to turn John McCain's best moment of the night into a weakness.

As we wrote last night, McCain's frank repudiation of the idea he represents four more years of Bush Administration policies marked a high water point for the Arizona senator in the debate season. To win this election -- or even to mount a serious comeback -- McCain has to make clear to undecided voters that he would represent a clean break with the last eight years generally and George W. Bush specifically.

Recognizing this -- and perhaps acknowledging the potential effectiveness of McCain's line last night -- the Obama campaign launched a new ad this morning featuring those very comments and attempting to call them into doubt.

Here's the ad:

It's powerful stuff -- directly rebutting McCain's "I'm not President Bush" line with a series of hits on votes allegedly against the middle class and for spending billions in Iraq. The ad features a series of images from last night's debate in which McCain looked annoyed/bemused/odd, including the now-infamous eye roll (damn split screen!) and ends with tape of McCain saying to the camera: "I voted with the President over 90 percent of the time, higher than a lot of even my Republican colleagues." OUCH!

Obama's play here is obvious. In the aftermath of the debate, McCain's "I'm not George Bush" line got lots of play on cable television and the morning news shows -- ensuring that even if you missed it live, you surely are now aware of it.

That total saturation of what was McCain's most effective rebuttal of the "McCain=Bush" attack in the entirety of the campaign has the potential to influence how voters see the Arizona senator in the closing days of the race.

Given Bush's disastrous poll numbers, the ONLY way McCain can win the White House is if he can convince voters that his administration would be drastically different from the current one.

Last night's debate was a major step in the right direction in that regard for McCain. With his new ad, Obama is working to ensure that the success of McCain's distancing strategy is short-lived.

Will it work?

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 16, 2008; 11:22 AM ET
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Obama has stated the intent to give a “tax credit” to the large percentage of people who don't pay any income tax. The defense against calling this a “gift” has been that these people do pay “taxes” through FICA withholding. The problem with this argument is that those Social Security and Medicare deductions have been represented as “saving” accounts, operated by the federal government, which will pay out at retirement. The payback in Social Security is even based on the amount of income withheld from the payer. Since there is no indication that individuals receiving the proposed “tax credit” will have their subsequent pay out reduced, the short fall must be coming from somewhere. The answer is that it comes from all actual taxpayers.

If one were buying an equivalent annuity, and someone started making such payments for them, the IRS would clearly consider that a “gift” to the individual. By what logic are we to consider those same payments by the federal government as anything other than a forced gift to those recipients from the people whose income taxes were used to make the gift? This “gift” is clearly welfare being handed out with the stated philosophic motive of “redistributing the wealth”.

The only somewhat open secret, until last week, was clear statement of the motive. Anyone actually listening would have heard Obama state that philosophy several times in previous interviews. It just received no attention. Anyone who ever followed the current Speaker of the House would have understood that same motive behind her support of “stimulus” bills that have had the exact same affect. “Everybody”, except the ones who actually provided almost all of the tax money used in that handout, got a “tax credit” identical to Obama’s intent. With an Obama president, and an increased Democratic congress, the Speaker will gleefully repeat that redistribution process, and then use the ever increasing federal debt as the rational to increase taxes. The subsequent taking of capital in this “redistribution” reduces the capital available to increase production of goods and services [and jobs]. The “redistributed” wealth is so diffused that it only enables some temporary increase in demand for goods and services fewer in this country will have the capital or incentive to produce. This decreased productivity leads to the downward socialistic spiral some countries like France are trying to dig their way out of now.

You don't increase pork production by butchering all the pigs so everyone gets a bit of pork for a few days. Putting a Socialist in charge of deciding how many pigs to butcher is a very risky choice.

Posted by: BillMillsinSterlingVA | October 19, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD RATHER BE LINKED TO PRES. BUSH THAN DEMOCRATS.

* Pres. Bush been pres. for 8 yrs. = approval rating in 20‘s.
* Democrats control of Cong. 2 yrs. = approval rating teens.
* NOW IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF THE DEMS. WOULD BE IN CONTROL OF PRESIDENCY AND CONGRESS FOR 4 yrs.. We are talking about single digits here.


* If Sen. Obama becomes president, we would have the Democratic policies of before the 1990s’: 1) Extremely high tax on upper middle income, wealthy, and most businesses (we are talking business stunting policies); 2) Wealth shifting 3) No free trade; 4) Less individual responsibility and more inefficient, big Gov. control (more socialism and less capitalism); 5) Welfare system, free housing, rent control, and unending unemployment benefits; 6) Energy policy on which we would waist money and time (because it is unworkable); 7) Reactive and inactive foreign policies( in other word, we would be waiting for rain to fall before we start building shelter).

* WITH SEN. OBAMA WE WOULD HAVE DEVOLUTION OF AMERICA. SCARY! VERY SCARY!!

* BTW, if I were Sen. McCain, I would have great economists, Gov. Huckabee, Gov. Romny, Ms. Firona representing me on campaign trail and on TV, so voters’ confidence in me would increase.

Posted by: lazerboy | October 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The fact is Obama's tax plan is just a return to the PROVEN system
Bill Clinton used during the prosperity of his term in office.
Bill Clinton left office with huge budget surpluses.

McCain's tax plan is just an extension of the PROVEN failure of the Bush tax system of rewarding the wealthy and corporations at the expense of the middle class. The middle class is now paying for his mess.

People like to argue theory and statistics but it's as simple as this:

ARE YOU BETTER OFF NOW THAN YOU WERE EIGHT YEARS AGO?

Posted by: seemstome | October 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA plus PELOSI plus REID?!!!
NO CHECKS & BALANCES...
NO BALANCE.
OBAMA IS A SHAMELESS MAN WHO RESORTS TO VOTE STEALING, PANDERING TO SOCIALISTS AND NATIONAL TERRORISTS AND LYING TO THE PUBLIC IN ORDER TO BUY THEIR VOTES - IF HE DOESN'T BUY YOUR VOTE, HE'LL SIMPLY RAISE THE DEAD AND PLACE THE NAMES OF KINDERGARTNERS ON THE VOTING ROSTER.
OBAMA IS THE WORST OF THIS NATION'S POLITICAL POWERMONGERS AND THE MOST DANGEROUSLY AMBITIOUS.
This from a Diehard Democrat with zero racist intentions (thought I better include the racist note, since every time someone criticizes "The One" they received the "racist" attack.) My heart goes out to a simple man who asked a simple question of Obama - and is now being publicly flogged by the liberal bloggers who believe that Obama is above scrutiny.
NOTE TO COUNTRY:
Criticism is Not Racism. Obama PLEASE apologize to the United States for allying with American terrorist Ayers, say you are sorry for funding ACORN... come on Obama show a little Integrity.

Posted by: DemocratForPeace | October 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I find it very interesting that most of the pro McCain supporters miss the the very salient point:TO PAY MORE TAX YOU MUST EARN MORE MONEY. broedd2003
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Right genius, so after I have covered my nut, I'm going home and playing with my kids rather than killing myself so Obama can distribute my hard earned cash to ACORN and Radical Education Programs, like the one he supported with Ayres...I'll probably lay off 1/3rd of my employees- let Obama employ them, like FDR did in the last Depression....note I didn't call it the GREAT Depression- that one's coming soon to you and Obama- Hey, did you see the room service bill for Barack and Michelle at the Waldorf last night? Caviar and Champagne all the way!

Posted by: thecannula | October 17, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

diaco 7529 said:
"obama is just a liberal socialist that would destroy our economy"

What economy, idiot?

Posted by: VMR1 | October 17, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain won the Debate by Introducing the Desires of Hard Working Americans to get Ahead Back into the Race in the Form of Joe the Plumber-
Posted by: thecannula | October 17, 2008 11:22 AM

Hard Working Americans are making our desires clear. It ain't McCain, and we don't need an introduction from him.

Posted by: light_bearer | October 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

obama is just a liberal socialist that would destroy our economy and compromise our national sercurity. obama is a liar and deciever. he even tries to get away with lying about his voting record. i pray the majority of americans will not fall for these deceptions and will no the truth. obama shows nothinmg but disrespect for our constutional rights of religion, speech and the right to bear arms. liberals have for along time attacking freedom to express religion and i find it very sad that some people in this country have fallen so far as to even consider a anti freedom, socialist person.

Posted by: diaco7529 | October 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I do not represent a continuation of the past eight years! I represent a 10% break from President Bush's administration.

Over the course of an unlikely two-term McCain administration, that will mean .8 years worth of time in which he will not act like Bush.

Posted by: light_bearer | October 17, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"We do not agree that unaccountable government officials should have the right to take wealth from productive people for redistribution to others who are less successful." Sort of like redistributing the wealth of americans to cover the losses of the financial industry, which John McCain supported. It is amazing that those who cry socialism are in favor of socialist policies that favor the rich.

Posted by: greenecu | October 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

McCain won the Debate by Introducing the Desires of Hard Working Americans to get Ahead Back into the Race in the Form of Joe the Plumber-

Joe the Plumber now has a voice, speaking for the middle and upper middle class, trying to get ahead. The REAL Rich has been represented by Penny Pritzker's Candidate. Joe said, sure today it's people making over 250K that will get killed by Obama's taxes, but soon, as Obama's agenda gets more expensive, it will be people making 150K, and so on...it's like that old saying about not speaking out when someone comes for your neighbors....soon there will no one left to speak out when someone comes for you.

Biden made over 250K each of the past 3 years and gave less than $1000 in charity total over that time; but he feels it's "Patriotic" to ask everyone else to redistribute THEIR earnings.


You know Joe the Senator, LOTS of us wouldn't mind pulling down 200K a year, not paying higher taxes, not giving much to charity....LIKE YOU!

Posted by: thecannula | October 17, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain won the Debate by Introducing the Desires of Hard Working Americans to get Ahead Back into the Race in the Form of Joe the Plumber-

Joe the Plumber now has a voice, speaking for the middle and upper middle class, trying to get ahead. The REAL Rich has been represented by Penny Pritzker's Candidate. Joe said, sure today it's people making over 250K that will get killed by Obama's taxes, but soon, as Obama's agenda gets more expensive, it will be people making 150K, and so on...it's like that old saying about not speaking out when someone comes for your neighbors....soon there will no one left to speak out when someone comes for you.

Biden made over 250K each of the past 3 years and gave less than $1000 in charity total over that time; but he feels it's "Patriotic" to ask everyone else to redistribute THEIR earnings.


You know Joe, LOTS of us wouldn't mind pulling down 200K a year, not paying higher taxes, not giving much to charity....LIKE YOU!

Posted by: thecannula | October 17, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It's Just an Illusion....

Searching for Obama's 95 Percent
Posted by Philip Klein on 10.16.08 @ 8:23AM

HEMPSTEAD. N.Y. -- "We are going to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans," Barack Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, said in the spin room here at Hofstra University following the final debate of the 2008 presidential election.

Plouffe was repeating one of the boldest claims made by the Obama campaign. It's a claim that the Wall Street Journal editorial board dubbed "Obama's 95% Illusion," noting that more than a third of Americans don't pay any income taxes, and that what Obama's plan does do is offer a raft of subsidies and government payments to individuals and families that he redefines as "tax cuts." His proposal looks more like a redistribution scheme than an honest effort to reduce taxes -- as he revealed on Monday when he told a now famous Ohio plumber that his plan aimed to "spread the wealth around."

So when Plouffe reiterated the 95 percent claim, I asked him a simple question aimed at clarifying whether Obama's tax plan was about cutting rates, or merely handing out government checks. "What rates would actually go down"? I asked.

"Middle class people are going to see, systemically, their taxes reduced, and small businesses," Plouffe responded.

"But what rate would go down for lower-income Americans?" I persisted, seeking more information.

"We'll have to get you the exact details on that," Obama's campaign manager told me.


If Barack Obama can effectively claim that his plan cuts taxes on 95 percent of Americans, then the term "tax cut" has no meaning.


Posted by: thecannula | October 17, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

McCAin is not Bush
I am not my father.
But!
An apple does not fall far from the apple tree.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 17, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

McCAin is not Bush
I am not my father.
But!
An apple does not fall far from the apple tree.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 17, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

LETTERMAN TEARS MCCAIN TO PIECES. BASICALLY CALLING MCCAIN A LIAR WHEN HE SAYS PALIN WAS HIS FIRST CHOICE FOR VP. LETTERMAN WAS TOUGHER ON MCCAIN THEN ANY OF THE DEBATES.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 17, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

His campaign does not want to anger idiots and bigots like you by flaunting his academic record.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 |


but apparently they are willing to inflame us bigots and gun lovers with his IQ scores.

I am still wishing I was as smart as al gore.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

We all wish you were as smart as Al Gore too. Hell, I'll settle for you being as smart as George W Bush.

Posted by: GTinChina | October 17, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse


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I Am Not President Bush - If You Wanted To Run Against Bush You Should Have Run 4 Years Ago.


McCain was on fire at the Debate - slamming Obama point after point.


On the Economy clearly McCain defined Obama as the High Tax candidate who is intent on increasing spending and raising taxes.


On Congressman Lewis Obama slimed around and refused to answer the question - then Obama refused to do the right thing - lending credibility to the notion that the Obama campaign put Congressman Lewis up to making those completely outrageous statements.


McCain won the Tax Debate - beating Obama by framing the issue in the prism of small business and jobs - which is the correct economic analysis.


McCain has been on mark all night - hitting Obama whenever Obama makes a contradiction or an inconsistency.


Everytime McCain caught Obama in a deception or a lie Obama smiled like he knew he was caught and Obama looked like he was attempting to hide his lies with a smile.


Towards the end of the debate Obama stopped smiling - Obama looked tired and beaten.


McCain won the debate point by point slamming Obama and showing how McCain will be Lead this Nation To Prosperity Again.


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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 17, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

The "I'm not Bush" statement was a prepared line to be delivered after a policy comparison by Obama.
Palin's prepared line was "don't look to the Past" during her debate with Biden.
However, Palin's response didn't get the same traction as McCain's and was as ineffective as she was.
In all fairness, McCain is not Bush but there is an 90% chance he would continue policies very similar to Bush's regarding the middle class. Who do you think would get frozen out in his spending freeze?
The rich and corporations would get more tax cuts since McCain supports the Reagan school of wealth concentration.
Did you notice any time the rich get taxed it's contemptuously called redistribution of wealth or socialism?
But when the middle class has to carry more of a tax burden it's promoted as fair and the natural order of things. Never concentration of wealth or elitism or greed.
Like Bush and Cheney, McCain is willing to exploit the neo-fascist tendencies of his supporters to curtail government interference with the new elite and their wealth taken from the middle class.
Using nationalistic fervor and xenophobia directed at Obama, Palin has shown that it is easy to manipulate the masses of Republicans. Government is portrayed as evil and not a necessary part of a democracy run by the people. The free market is touted as the best form of government , that is , until it recently collapsed.

Posted by: seemstome | October 17, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

The "I'm not Bush" statement was a prepared line to be delivered after a policy comparison by Obama.
Palin's prepared line was "don't look to the Past" during her debate with Biden.
However, Palin's response didn't get the same traction as McCain's and was as ineffective as she was.
In all fairness, McCain is not Bush but there is an 90% chance he would continue policies very similar to Bush's regarding the middle class. Who do you think would get frozen out in his spending freeze?
The rich and corporations would get more tax cuts since McCain supports the Reagan school of wealth concentration.
Did you notice any time the rich get taxed it's contemptuously called redistribution of wealth or socialism?
But when the middle class has to carry more of a tax burden it's promoted as fair and the natural order of things. Never concentration of wealth or elitism or greed.
Like Bush and Cheney, McCain is willing to exploit the neo-fascist tendencies of his supporters to curtail government interference with the new elite and their wealth taken from the middle class.
Using nationalistic fervor and xenophobia directed at Obama, Palin has shown that it is easy to manipulate the masses of Republicans. Government is portrayed as evil and not a necessary part of a democracy run by the people. The free market is touted as the best form of government , that is , until it recently collapsed.

Posted by: seemstome | October 17, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

McNASTY LOSES SKIRMISH, BUT WAR ON THE COOL ONE SLOGS ON

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mcnasty-loses-debate-skirmish-war-cool-one-slogs

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 17, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

McNASTY LOSES SKIRMISH, BUT WAR ON THE COOL ONE SLOGS ON

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mcnasty-loses-debate-skirmish-war-cool-one-slogs

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 17, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

bsimon, markinaustin,

Here's a well-written article that echoes my sentiments exactly, including those that you ridiculed and attempted to correct. I see that bsimon has met his match today and I'm happy to have initiated such a lively discussion, even as I had to go to work and continue supporting the economy with my tax dollars. The issue is not whether people, myself included, are trying to get out of paying (more) taxes, the issue is the fundametal problem with an ideology that promotes social engineering and income redistribution at the federal level.

"Plumber Joe and the Culture of Freedom" [by Elaine Donnelly]


"The attention given to "Joe the Plumber" in last night's presidential debate was encouraging. Finally, fundamental issues of economic freedom vs. social engineering are getting the attention they deserve.

It all began when Democratic candidate Barack Obama encountered Joe Wurzelbacher on the campaign trail, and spoke to him in the language of socialism.

Obama tried to convince the now-famous plumber, who wants to expand his business, that higher taxes are justified because
“when you spread the wealth around, you help everyone.”


That phrase, “spread the wealth around,” is another name for income redistribution, or socialism—a philosophy that Americans traditionally have rejected.

We do not agree that unaccountable government officials should have the right to take wealth from productive people for redistribution to others who are less successful.

As Republican candidate John McCain said to a post-debate rally in PA, “We didn’t become a great nation by ‘spreading the wealth,’ we became a great nation by creating new wealth.”

Janet Lynn, a former Olympic-medalist figure skater, military mom, and longtime friend, put a spotlight on the socialist philosophy in her thoughtful article “Preserving the Brilliant Dance Called Freedom.” Janet wrote from the perspective of a former world-class athlete and traveler who came to appreciate American freedom in personal ways.

She expressed her concern that freedom itself is at risk in this election campaign, with the threat disguised in the mantra of "change." That appealing word, she wrote, eerily echoes a statement made to her years ago by an advocate of Soviet-style socialism: "Freedom is having everything given to you.""

http://tank.nationalreview.com/

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | October 17, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama all the way. McBush is a corrupt liar and so is Palin.

Posted by: kbuckingham777 | October 17, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Will it work? Grand Slam home run! Senator Obama's best political ad of the campaign!

However, the GOP will still try to steal the election. 2000...2004, anyone?

With some examples of, and links to, the current round of GOP dirty tricks, and the best sites to monitor them at, go to:

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/gop-will-try-to-steal-this-election.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 17, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Knowing that the corrupted are their slaves, the programmers have created two cultures in conflict, one of them opposed to the Founding Fathers’ intent. If they cannot get their way “democratically,” they will incite a civil war. Now do you see why the God-centered family is the target for destruction?

This toxic culture is no accident: it is the result of a sophisticated psycho-political battle for our minds and hearts. Awaken now---turn from your manipulators’ cunning and forgive them. Throw away your drugs and booze; come home to family through the truth that makes and keeps us free.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

It gets much worse. Let irrational debate grow to the point of paralyzing gridlock, to create an appearance of weakness that emboldens terrorists to blow up an entire city. Then point the finger of blame at the innocent---a father figure---for being responsible.

University-programmed journalists---elitist intellectuals and rebels against traditional fatherly discipline---with all their enabling feminine sensitivities, will then hail terrorists as heroes fighting for their rights against bullies.

Because propaganda alters our perception of reality, good becomes evil and evil becomes good, as in Nazi Germany. The biblical “Give us Barabbas” mentality is here again. It happened to Spain, and now witnesses the horror in Russia. Much worse is in store for America.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Then, when the programmers deem it time, they accuse the honorably elected of being tyrants and liars, just like their own rotten dads were. They use the “hate-your-father-love-your-mother” media to render those perceived deadbeat dads powerless and the nation leaderless.

One day, they intend to awaken millions of angry sleepers, reared by a matriarchal shadow underworld government, to run wild in the streets bringing their beloved despots to power.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

To confound us more, they promoted a debilitating dependency on “experts”; designed government “mental health” programs to make perversion, as well as mental and emotional illness, seem normal; threw money at social problems to produce wrong solutions; drove women out of their homes to work, leaving their children vulnerable; awakened unmanageable desires with obscene images; stimulated the young with pornography; glorified lowlife musicians and actors in order to sustain anti-social behaviors; made American family life cruel, base, and meaningless; doped up students to “learn”---and then blamed the whole mess on fathers and capitalism.

All this, to weaken our national resolve and render us suggestible to the demands of terrorists in every form.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Because a nation with values is almost impossible to conquer, Communist and atheist strategists began their systematic attack upon the American family early in the 20 th century. They infiltrated our once-noble institutions of education, media, and government, so that the powerful few would dominate the docile many. The Soviet Union collapsed, but the seed, once planted here, took root. The result is two Americas in conflict, with the perpetrators of the quiet coup accusing the innocent.

They began by infiltrating our educational system and through that they made the government finance America’s own downfall. They dumbed down our children in government schools and enabled them to grow up from irresponsible teenagers into spoiled-rotten and immoral parents.

Then they praised and excused their victims’ wildness and let them believe they were acting from their own volition. They glorified that license as freedom; nurtured failings until it became hateful envy, and held up filth as art to arouse passions to the level of addiction.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Shock the victim, then accuse him of the crime you committed,” is a Soviet psycho-political warfare technique now used by Islamic terrorists upon the very country of its origin -- Russia. Typically, victims take on the identity of the terrorist or hostage-taker and, out of sympathy, turn on their friends, just as Patty Hearst once did. The Stockholm Syndrome---where hostages end up sympathizing with their terrorist abductors---works on entire nations, not just on individuals.

The Russian population might well have its loyalties converted in favor of the terrorists that recently slaughtered so many innocent children. Indeed, President Putin is already getting the blame. America is now primed for a final transforming shock.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: absolutkt1 | October 16, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"Ok, it looks as if the American people are determined to elect Obama."

What the hell does this even mean?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 16, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

saelij said, "Ok, it looks as if the American people are determined to elect Obama. Next year at this time, it will be interesting to see if we made the right decision. I'm not for Obama but I wish him well if he is elected. His fate is our fate so I'm hoping he is successful and not Jimmy Carter 2."

Lets hope we have. If we find we have made a catastrophic mistake and elected a dishonest, incompetent jackass, it will also be interesting to see if it takes some of us eight years to realise and even then a few of us think he's doing a helluva job.

Posted by: rlbarto | October 16, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

saelij said, "Ok, it looks as if the American people are determined to elect Obama. Next year at this time, it will be interesting to see if we made the right decision. I'm not for Obama but I wish him well if he is elected. His fate is our fate so I'm hoping he is successful and not Jimmy Carter 2."

Lets hope we have. If we find we have made a catastrophic mistake and elected a dishonest, incompetent jackass, it will also be interesting to see if it takes some of us eight years to realise and even then a few of us think he's doing a helluva job.

Posted by: rlbarto | October 16, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

John "GRANDPA SIMPSON" Mc Cain found that Joe (DUFFMAN) Six Pack was too drunk to work on the average american anymore - tries and replace him with Joe The Plumber as his campiagn goes down the S bend...how apt....has Karl Rove handed over advising Mc Cain to Matt Groening..

Anyway as a distant observer the US Republican party continues the longest live reality sit com in hostory - 8 years strong and still breaking me up....and I thought no comedy team could beat Bush/Cheney - amazing - the sad side is it has been real and poeple in the US and around the world have been hurt by these idiots....

Posted by: colinemery | October 16, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

thecannula wrote,

"THE STOCK MARKET RALLIED TODAY

BECAUSE McCAIN WON THE DEBATE!"

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Is that you, Larry Kudlow?

Interpreting the daily St. Vitus' Dance on Wall Street is a good job for a shaman. Empiricists have to admit, "we can't do better at this than would apes throwing darts at copies of the Wall Street Journal".

Posted by: officermancuso | October 16, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

THE STOCK MARKET RALLIED TODAY

BECAUSE McCAIN WON THE DEBATE!

Joe the Plumber now has a voice, speaking for the middle and upper middle class, trying to get ahead. The REAL Rich has been represented by Penny Pritzker's Candidate. Joe said, sure today it's people making over 250K that will get killed by Obama's taxes, but soon, as Obama's agenda gets more expensive, it will be people making 150K, and so on...it's like that old saying about not speaking out when someone comes for your neighbors....soon there will no one left to speak out when someone comes for you.


Posted by: thecannula | October 16, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Mullett:Oh, and Gallup poles, once revered as the Major poll to follow, is laughed at by both the MSM and both campaigns,since they use statistics from organizations that are completely partisan, Newspaper polls that are owned and used as GOP propaganda machines, and any other number of polls from anyone willing to submit.Not exactly the standard bearer it once was

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Now what flavor WP/CBS Poll Kool-Aid do you drink?

Posted by: 12oreo | October 16, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Will it work?

YEP - and then some.

Sort of paints McCain as telling falsehods about his views in relation to those of W. And does it with McCain's own words. Ouch.

Posted by: eabpmn | October 16, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Whoever collette0779 is, she is providing some excellent fact-based material here, not to mention interpretions which I think are sound.

The interpretations are debatable. The facts are not, unless conservatives have become so post-modern that they now subscribe to the creed which holds that "there are no facts, only interpretations".

Posted by: officermancuso | October 16, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Gallup poles, once revered as the Major poll to follow, is laughed at by both the MSM and both campaigns,since they use statistics from organizations that are completely partisan, Newspaper polls that are owned and used as GOP propaganda machines, and any other number of polls from anyone willing to submit.Not exactly the standard bearer it once was

Posted by: mullett | October 16, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

This is the only ad Obama needs to run from now until the election. Every day, in every media market. It's a devastating ad for McCain because it uses his own words against him on something he thought he had really scored well on.

Posted by: asja | October 16, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

And to further surmise Colletts numbers, those making over 250K a year generally pay far less than the average american by receiving payment int o company stocks and other maturing financial enginesm which get taxed far below the standard income tax,and in the case of matching funds ,they dont get taxed at all.Then they can turn around, sell or borrow against those Funds at 10 to 12 % interest,a third of what an average american pays.
Joe plumber, living in an average home with a modest income from a Contractor doesnt get those options, and couldnt exercise them anyway.
As for Joe's indifference to buying a buisness and how it will affect his income taxes, it all depends on what he sets his salary at, DUH.I owned my own buisness for several years, and COMPANY INCOME does not become PERSONAL INCOME just because you made a profit at the end of the year.The Buisness will pay corporate taxes, but it wont affect the INDIVIDUALS INCOME TAX, unless he decides to take all profits as income, a dumb move by any standard.
But once again the FAR RIGHT of this country who hold a Majority of the wealth that would be affected,will scew this story line any way they can to trick average americans into beleiving their taxes will go up as well,typical.
Even with the tax increase Obama has proposed, they will have to do a lot more than a simple tax increase to stop those that allready have more than they need from using the loopholes created by Bush/McCain and Company.

Posted by: mullett | October 16, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

If you are looking at real clear politics that is a mistake on the website. At the Gallup web site Obama is up 6.

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"GALLUP, had Obama up by 14 points earlier this week now shows Obama up by a whopping 2."

Half the people on this site check the polls like twice a day. Who do you think believes that Gallup had Obama at +14?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 16, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 16, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Remember Richard Nixon peering out of the TV set with a stack of tape transcripts on the table next to him, sweating, shifting, and swearing that "I am not a crook"?

It produced the same effect as McCain's "Senator, I am not George Bush"-an instant visceral realization that he was indeed what he said he was not.

Posted by: tmeador | October 16, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

It looks to me, having read the NYTimes' latest on Joe the Plumber, that McCain's two gambits in last night's debate are both Palin on him.

"I'm not George W. Bush" would be a game-changing line, were there not a strong case to be made that "Bush is 200 proof, I'm 180 proof."

And now Joe the Plumber turns out to be (by all appearances at the moment) a guy practicing his trade illegally, who would in any case benefit from Obama's tax policies. I think of him as Joe the Boomerang, because it looks for all the world like he's delivered a pretty good knock to the guy who launched him.

Meanwhile, Drudge becomes ever more stridently partisan, reflecting what we've been seeing in the Republican base ever since it became clear several weeks ago that the Palin gambit was a bust. Smaller, but more intense, more divorced from "reality" if you define reality as the broad picture painted by all of the evidence, and more bitter. And less scrupulous.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 16, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I am pleased to announce that Paddy Power, an Irish betting power house (OTB) has announced a winner in the American general election...
drum roll please...

Barack Obama

see below

Paddy Power pays out early on Obama victory
CHARLIE TAYLOR

The general public may still be weighing up who came off best in the concluding US presidential debate last night but Irish bookmaker Paddy Power today said it is to pay out early on Barack Obama becoming president.

The bookmaker said this morning it is to pay out in excess of €1 million to punters who have bet on the Illinois senator taking over the world's top job in three weeks time.

More than 10,000 bets have been placed on the 2008 presidential election with Paddy Power in Ireland, with the majority placed in support of Mr Obama over the past 12 months.

Mr Obama was a massive 50/1 with Paddy Power to be the next US president back in May of 2005. One inspired punter who will be celebrating today had a long range wager of €50 at these odds which has led to a return of €2,550.

The largest single bet placed on Mr Obama was €100,000 in June at odds of 1-2 which has led to returns of whopping 150,000 today.

“We declare this race well and truly over and congratulate all those who backed Obama, your winnings await you. Although the Senator seemed a little off sorts in last night's final debate we believe he has done more than enough to get him across the line on November 4th. The overall betting trend has shown one way traffic for Obama since the start of the summer and punters seemed to have called it 100 per cent correct."

In January, Paddy Power paid out over €50,000 to punters who backed the senator to be nominated as the Democratic Party candidate, seven months before the party's convention took place.

The bookmaker said it continues to offer betting on the election outcome right up to and including November 4th. It said that one of its most popular bets currently on offer is predicting the winning margin of the successful nominee.

© 2008 irishtimes.com

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/1016/breaking51.htm

Posted by: opuddles | October 16, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Irish betting site has close betting on Obama the odds were just to lopsided. They have declared Obama the winner.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 16, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I can't stop watching this for the facial expressions! LMAO!

Posted by: NMP1 | October 16, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Kmichaels,
Gallup Daily: Obama 49%, McCain 43% October 16, 2008
The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking report from Monday through Wednesday shows Barack Obama with a 49%to 43% lead over John McCain among registered voters.

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

SonofHistoryTeacher and Haroun12,
Thank you for the information on Islamic faith and laws. Sitting in a church of 500 Christians I can look around and see that we are similar yet different in how we live our everyday lives and raise our families. When you bring nations, Islamic law and diversity of cultures across the world into the discussion it becomes a broad conversation requiring careful and informed thought. My initial comments were narrow minded and speaking of the extreme fringe. Our national discussion has lost the nuance of separating religions beliefs or practices from criminal acts with the blending of language we've heard for years from the Bush administration... Anyway, Thank you both for your educated insight -- most appreciated.

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama really had to do anything concerning McCain's cute little statement, but it's a very shrewd move, I suppose. This just shows that Obama's taking no chances, and he shouldn't. McCain's going to fight to the bitter end, and will look for something, anything to try and drag Obama down with him. Obama, don't let up--keep on going to the end, and send McAngry and the Barracuda back out west where they belong.

Posted by: SGall23241 | October 16, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"GALLUP, had Obama up by 14 points earlier this week now shows Obama up by a whopping 2."

Half the people on this site check the polls like twice a day. Who do you think believes that Gallup had Obama at +14?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 16, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe McCain should pal around with more tax cheats like Joe the Plumber . . oh wait, nevermind.

country first (so long as someone else pays)!

Posted by: goexplode | October 16, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Hi Michealellis29, You wrote:

Don't know if Collette is still here, but she wrote,

"Think like this... A person who makes 1000 per week pays 300 per week in taxes. Soooo, a person making 100,000 a week should pay 30,000 in a fair system."

Using these figures, the person making 1000 a week makes 52,000 a yr and pays $9557.50 a year in taxes or, 19.1%.

The person earning 100,000 a week would pay $1,799,860.50 annually or 35% of their income in taxes.

Can someone explain to me how this is "fair?"

Posted by: michaelellis29


michaelellis29, Your figures are not correct... Using my simplistic figures to make a point, if you made 52,000 per year ($1000 per week) you would pay at a tax rate of 30 % $15,600 per year. (Multiply $52,000 by .30 or 30%.) If a person made $5,200,000 taxed at 30% ($5,200,000 * .30 or 30%) they would pay $1,560,000 - 30% of their income. Fair is fair if everyone (except those below poverty) pay the same percentage... And, let's not even get into school and property tax... I'm from Pennsylvania... crushing taxes. And still Obama is the best option for anyone making less than $250,000. If only people voted to protect their wallets Obama would win with 80% of the vote.

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Pro36

Your barely articulate spam-esq posts repeating the same ad nauseum ad hominem attacks are a rash across the Wash Post blogs. You do absolutely nothing to further your political cause and in fact harm it, because readers assume you're one of the same overfed aggrieved knuckle dragging right is might Americans that prospered under the last eight years of Bush. Those policies failed, the free market is right mantra has failed. Obama offers a solution. McCain offers the same.

If you have opposing views, fine. But don't waste out time bleating the same at the edges nonsense that is laced with fear and ignorance. We had eight years of that. We need it no longer.

Posted by: Mikey6 | October 16, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

GALLUP, had Obama up by 14 points earlier this week now shows Obama up by a whopping 2. TWO. TWO POINT LEAD over McCain.

OUCH, that has got to send a tingle up Chriss Saleeza's legs.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it great that the economic LIE of "supply side" voodoo economics is finally seen for the fraud it always was?

Isn't it great that instead of pandering to oil interestswe're finally going to manufacture green technologies like wind, solar, and wave energy and stop sending so much money to terrorist/wahabist Saudi Arabia?

Isn't it great that we'll be building new jobs in America, instead of in chinese sweat shops?

Isn't it great that the justice department will be pourged of criminal neo-cons like Monica Goodling and Kyle Sampson?

Isn't it great that "are you an evangelical christian?" is no longer going to be the litmus test question in winning a job in government?

Isn't it great that a Harvard scholar is going to be President, instead of a texas nincompoop... or an alaskan nincompoop?

Isn't it great that the wing-nut radicals in both parties are left out?

Isn't it great that we're finally going to fix healthcare, and social security?

Isn't it great that ethics areback in style?

Isn't it great that all of the Bushco lies and deceptions that led to bad policy will be exposed, and those policies reversed?

ONLY IF YOU GET OUT AND VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN IN 08!

Posted by: onestring | October 16, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Bush and McCain are reaping what they sowed.


Good riddance, GOP.

Posted by: Christian_in_NYC | October 16, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"Can someone explain to me how this is "fair?" "

Check your math.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt-Y2qFtkU0

"proudtobeGOP" you condem people like Pfleger but you obviously know little about them. Fr. Pfleger has done more for the people of Chicago in one lifetime--especially the children--than you could do in 100 and for that he is to be admired. He said some idiotic things during Obama's campaign but not quite as idiotic as some of the typical racist tripe that spews out of the mouths of true Christian believers. "“He’s neither-nor,” said R____ T_______, a pipe fitter who works at a factory north of Mobile, while standing in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart store just north of here. “He’s other. It’s in the Bible. Come as one. Don’t create other breeds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/15/us/politics/15biracial.html

Shameful ignorance and hatred.

Posted by: used2livethere | October 16, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"In a fair system, why wouldn't we all just pay the same rate? Why discriminate against people simply because they are financially successful?"

In a fair system, they who receive shall be they who pay, in the broad sense. The recipients of the bulk of federal spending are banks, corporate investors, and foreign sovereigns [the interest on our national debt goes to the creditors and most of the creditors in $$ are not holders of EE Bonds]; highway and bridge and dam and levee contractors; defense and space tech contractors, and the like. Given that the entitlements were paid for by the persons receiving them - although the reserves built up were tripped for other expenses like war - the great bulk of federal spending goes to the very rich and the corporate mighty. You can look this up yourself.

They who receive should be they who pay. FAIR.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | October 16, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

michaelellis writes
"Or, we can just hand out checks, print more money thus increasing inflation causing us to sell off more of the country to foreign interest and increasing the ever expanding federal trade deficit. Surely you don't suggest GROWING the trade deficit do you?"

michael, you are confusing the trade deficit with the federal deficit. The trade deficit is a result of us importing more than we export, meaning we send dollars overseas for oil or cheap chinese crap. Because we don't produce much stuff that these countries buy from us, dollars flow out of the country - a net trade deficit. The federal deficit is a different animal entirely. Because the Fed Gov't spends more than it collects, dollars flow out of the treasury - a net deficit. To facilitate this spending, the feds can print money or issue bonds (T bills). Printing money causes inflation, so they issue bonds. Each year that expenses exceed revenue its called a deficit. Sum all the deficits to arrive at the total debt (minus any debt thats been payed back, of course).

Lastly, you are claiming that tax cuts cause economic growth without offering proof. That is a faith-based claim. The economy is currently tanking - how do we know that tax cuts didn't cause this problem? I'm not making that claim, but if I were I would be offering the same proof you have for your claim, which is to say: none.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Women have a lot of rights in Islam and are not second class citizens"

Is this true in the strictly religious sense? I mean, I'm sure a lot of Muslims advocate equality, but I always figured it was a product of selective Koran interpretation to fit the world of today.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 16, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok, it looks as if the American people are determined to elect Obama. Next year at this time, it will be interesting to see if we made the right decision. I'm not for Obama but I wish him well if he is elected. His fate is our fate so I'm hoping he is successful and not Jimmy Carter 2.

Posted by: saelij | October 16, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Well collette0779. I want you to appreciate the fact that there is a clear difference between Islam and some people who call themselves Muslims. Some were just born into Muslim families, have Muslim names but you'll be surprised you probably know more about Islam than they. Islam is a faith that advocates respect for women. Women have a lot of rights in Islam and are not second class citizens like some ignorant people tend to portray. According to Islam, Men and Women are the same before our Creator and YES! Abortion is permitted in Islam, while promiscuity, rape and sexual relations outside marriage prohibited. I'll be willing to answer any questions you have, however, there are many books out there that can illumine your haziness about Islam.

Posted by: Haroun12 | October 16, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if Collette is still here, but she wrote,

"Think like this... A person who makes 1000 per week pays 300 per week in taxes. Soooo, a person making 100,000 a week should pay 30,000 in a fair system."

Using these figures, the person making 1000 a week makes 52,000 a yr and pays $9557.50 a year in taxes or, 19.1%.

The person earning 100,000 a week would pay $1,799,860.50 annually or 35% of their income in taxes.

Can someone explain to me how this is "fair?"

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

If we are talking about Obama - it is really more like Oragami.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

A very clever ad. Obama needs to saturate the airwaves with this one.

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | October 16, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

MEMO TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS:

Do not revel in the pain of McCain supporters (or Obama Opposers). For although they be your opposition, they are not your enemy.

Given the growth in incomes and wealth of the upper crust in the last 8 years, and the stagnation and decay of living standards of the commoners for the last 8 years, now is probably the right time for "wealth redistribution".

However, admit to yourselves that long term the greatness of the nation lies with the spark of individuality and creativity that follows risk taking, entrepreneurial spirit, and proper rewards for that behavior.

After that, let us endeavor to balance the budget.

There are no red states of America.
There are no blue states of America.
There is only the UNITED states of America.

Amen.

Posted by: SonOfHistoryTeacher | October 16, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain had an opportunity to address

statements from fellow POW's that he

had fabricated his

alleged POW mistreatment.

He did not.

Why?

Posted by: bobnsri | October 16, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain and the Conservative movement is toast.


Posted by: bobnsri | October 16, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

bsimon,

Again, according to the IRS and the US Treasury, the tax coiffers have swollen under the Bush tax cuts, (more Laffer theory at work.) If these tax cuts are made permanent, thus encouraging businesses to invest and grow their business and create jobs rather than stockpile in order to pay higher corporate tax rates and spending is frozen/new discretionary spending stopped then teh answer to your question, again, is yes. It is simple economics. Or, we can just hand out checks, print more money thus increasing inflation causing us to sell off more of the country to foreign interest and increasing the ever expanding federal trade deficit. Surely you don't suggest GROWING the trade deficit do you?

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Rixx wrote:
"Will someone please explain the difference between Autism and Down Syndrome to Senator McCain before he refines his health care program ?"

You'da thought Palin woulda done that already, doncha?

This is not nearly as bad as not knowing the distinction between Sunni and Shia, and which is al Qaeda and which is Iranian.

Posted by: boscobobb | October 16, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

" "Is it your claim that we can dig ourselves out of this economic hole solely by freezing spending and cutting taxes?" In a nutshell, yes. It is impractical, but plausible. I would not suggest it, but one cannot argue that if one earns without spending, one will eventually dig themselves out of debt. "

That wasn't the question. You answered if we could dig out if we lowered taxes and stopped spending. I said freeze spending - which is usually intepreted to mean maintaining spending at existing levels. Existing spending exceeds existing revenue, therefore cutting revenue will never make up the difference between spending and revenue. If you're relying on revenues growing as a result of tax cuts, I will not argue with faith-based beliefs.

"The liberal way seems to be to continue to spend and ask future generations to pay for it."

That's new. I thought liberals were tax-and-spend. The last three 'conservative' administrations have all been borrow-and-spend. The last 'liberal' administration (though Clinton wasn't particularly liberal, fiscally) enjoyed balanced budgets for several years, ending with a surplus. Perhaps your data is out of date.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

ON ISLAM:
-girls who are raped are often blamed/ostracized
-Unwed mothers are socially burdened
-abortion illegal in all cases

The first three may well be true ***of the society in which Islam is the dominant religion***

I don't know if these are "rules" of islam. I doubt that Kareem Abdul Jabbar necessarily promotes all three of these in his mosque.

Islam is a religion. Iran is a country where Islam is the dominant, empowered religion. Iranian laws, founded in Islam, are not Islam's laws.

BTW, Islam values Jesus as the #2 prophet of the religion. As I understand it from some of my co-workers, the most recent prophet can overrule previous prophets. The last two prophets of Islam?
Jesus, 1st century, AD
Mohammed, 7th century, AD

Posted by: SonOfHistoryTeacher | October 16, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"In a fair system, why wouldn't we all just pay the same rate? Why discriminate against people simply because they are financially successful?"

Depends on how you define 'fair' doesn't it? At my income level I am enjoying more benefits of living in the US than someone making half as much as I am. Is it 'fair' if we pay the same tax rate, or should I pay more because I get more?

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

bsimon wrote "Is it your claim that we can dig ourselves out of this economic hole solely by freezing spending and cutting taxes?" In a nutshell, yes. It is impractical, but plausible. I would not suggest it, but one cannot argue that if one earns without spending, one will eventually dig themselves out of debt. The liberal way seems to be to continue to spend and ask future generations to pay for it. don't get me wrong, I would love to get my hands on the thousand bucks that Obama is promising people who are in my income bracket, but I don't want it at the expense of future generations. Nor would I accept it as a hand out from my government taken from the bank accounts of those who make more than I do.

PS, thanks for the compliment. I am rather clever. (Yes, that is sarcasm, and no I don't really think I am all that clever!)

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I like this ad. It's negative without being hateful, relevant, topical, and--might I add--hilarious. McCain's facial expressions from the debate are priceless. Was it in poor taste to splice these reaction shots into a fake conversation? Maybe a little, but McCain's a veteran politician and campaigner; surely, he knows by now what he does when the cameras are on him.

And, speaking of that, what better person to rebut McCain's best line from the debate than McCain himself? "I voted with the President over 90% of the time, even higher than my Republican colleagues." This isn't like the Democrats' distortion of the "100 years in Iraq" remark; I really don't see how you take a blunt statement like that, spoken directly into the camera from the candidate's own lips, out of context.

Posted by: ComfortablyDumb | October 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Collette,

I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you 100% that in a FAIR society each of us should pay the same percentage of our income in tax. Taht would be fair. (Steve Forbes, where are you when we need you?) But your argument is actually in reverse. Specifically, according to the IRS tax schedule, the following are the tax rates for American earners:

0-$7550 pay 10%
$7550 - $30,650 pay $755 plus 15% of the amount over $7550

$30,651 - $74,200 pay $4220 plus 25% of the amount over $30,651

$74,201 - $154,800 pay $15,107 plus 28% of the amount over $74,201

$154,801 - $336,550 pay $37,675 plus 33%
and

$336,551 - no limit pay $97,653 plus 35%.

In a fair system, why wouldn't we all just pay the same rate? Why discriminate against people simply because they are financially successful?

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that if McCain had chosen Romney or Huckabee as his running mate he would be far ahead of Obama at this time. What a wonderfully destructive job Palin has done!

Posted by: rvillate


So true, so true!

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

michaelellis writes
" Additionally, as per the Laffer theory, (as in Laffer curve) "Lowering the tax rate on production, work, investment, and risk-taking will spur more of these activities and will often produce more tax revenue rather than less." "


The Laffer theory appears to be valid at extremely high and extremely low tax rates. It is unclear whether it is at all valid in the neighborhood of our current tax rates. To wit: When Reagan drastically cut the tax rates early in his administration, the difference between the old top rate and the new top rate was significant enough to effect behavior. When the difference is smaller - like between a 35% rate and a 33% rate - it is not at all clear that peoples' behavior is impacted enough to appreciably affect tax revenue.

michaelellis also writes
"but to suggest that somehow one person, even a president, is powerful enough to single-handedly cause this is inaccurate at best, and downright foolhardy at worst."

How clever of you to phrase that in a manner different from what I wrote. I did not say that that one person was powerful enough to single-handedly cause this - such a statement is as ridiculous as claiming that poverty-stricken subprime borrowers somehow fooled the titans of wall street into giving them bad loans that caused this. What I did say was that the President specifically, and Club for Growth conservatives generally argue that tax cuts boost the economy. The Bush administration has cut taxes. The economy is in the schitter. Ergo tax policy does not impact the economy as predictably as some people claim.

Is it your claim that we can dig ourselves out of this economic hole solely by freezing spending and cutting taxes?

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that if McCain had chosen Romney or Huckabee as his running mate he would be far ahead of Obama at this time. What a wonderfully destructive job Palin has done!

Posted by: rvillate | October 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET FRAUD AND BLIND GREED HAS KILLED SUPER-CAPITALISM

Thanks to GOP Republican Wall Street fraud, the International Banking System will no longer use capitalism.

Asia and Latin America will stay far away from American super-capitalism.

Europe will demand transparency and strict enforcement of International Banking Laws for ALL NATIONS, especially the United States.

Europe views Wall Street CEOs and investors as criminals unworthy of trust who must be closely monitored commensurate with their dishonest nature.


DEMOCRACY RISING RALLIES TO EDUCATE AND EMPOWER AMERICAN CITIZENS


COMMERCIAL ALERT AND CITIZEN RIGHTS
(PROTECT AMERICAN FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES, U.S. DEMOCRACY FROM WALL STREET FRAUD AND CORPORATE CORRUPTION)


THE RICH ARE STEALING AND SELLING AMERICA: STOP THEM!!!


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SUPER RICH GOP REPUBLICAN MILLIONAIRES / BILLIONAIRES ARE HIDING $3TRILLION STOLEN FROM THE TREASURY (AMERICAN PEOPLE) IN FOREIGN BANKS, PROPERTIES AND SWEATSHOPS.

CONFISCATE ALL PROPERTIES (DOMESTIC / FOREIGN) BELONGING TO RICH REPUBLICANS INVOLVED WITH ROBBING THE TREASURY AND RETURN THE $3TRILLION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

IT IS RIGHT TO PROSECUTE ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for the American pocketbook? If you invested $10,000 exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations, this is how you would you have fared:

From 1929 to 2008, $10,000 invested in S & P under the GOP Republican Presidency would have grown to $11,733. ($51,211 if you exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression)

From 1929 to 2008, $10,000 invested in S & P under the Democratic Presidency would have grown to $300,671.

Democrats have always been better for the American People, than GOP Republicans.

GOP Republican high propensity for Greed and Fraud has finally destroyed their Wall Street Golden Goose.

Give the GOP Republican criminals handcuffs and property confiscation.


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AMERICA, EUROPE AND THE WORLD NEED HEALING THROUGH FORWARD THINKING IRISH-AMERICAN HARVARD LAW SCHOLAR BARACK OBAMA


When Obama ends the illegal GOP Republican Iraq War, $1Trillion will flow back into the United States and create a million American jobs through the multiplier effect.

Obama loves America, while GOP Republican McCain loves tax loopholes for the rich.

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Posted by: dwashington1 | October 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1 wrote: "The past 8 years we've been told that tax cuts boost the economy. Well, look where the economy is."

Granted, the recent stock market decline has been a sobering reality which we must all deal with, but to suggest that somehow one person, even a president, is powerful enough to single-handedly cause this is inaccurate at best, and downright foolhardy at worst. Consider that the New York Times, (that bastion of right-wing cronyism) reported that because of the Bush tax cuts, "There was more investment, more hiring by businesses, and a stronger stock market. When we compare the taxes paid under the old system with those paid after the Bush tax cuts, the rich are now actually paying a higher proportion of income taxes." Additionally, as per the Laffer theory, (as in Laffer curve) "Lowering the tax rate on production, work, investment, and risk-taking will spur more of these activities and will often produce more tax revenue rather than less."

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Michealellis: According to the US Treasury Department, the wealthiest 1% of the population of Americans earn 19% of the income, but pay 37% of the taxes. Further, the top 10% of the population pay 68% of the tax burden, while the bottom 50% earn 13% of the income while paying only 3% of the federal tax burden. These are the US Treasury's figures, not mine. Assuming these can be trusted, (and who doesn't find it difficult to trust the gov these days)how then do those who make "less" pay "more?"

Posted by: michaelellis29

You are talking total budget... Think like this... A person who makes 1000 per week pays 300 per week in taxes. Soooo, a person making 100,000 a week should pay 30,000 in a fair system. As it is it doesn't work that way. The person making 1000 per week may pay 300 per week in taxes, but the person making 100,000 per week pays far less percentage wise in comparison. The fact that the richest in our country pay so much of the total tax burden only shines a spotlight on HOW RICH the Richest are in comparison to the vast majority of average citizens. And, thanks to Republican policy there has been NO incentive to share the wealth. IF the rich shared in the "trickle down" theory of Republican economics then the middle would be paying more of the total tax burden. Instead the rich have kept it all to themselves and the only way to recover some of the money that they've made off the backs of the underpaid workers is to at least balance the tax code so that ALL pay the same percentage of wage.

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

michaelellis29:

Perhaps we should ask you how much is enough?
Are two Mercedes automobiles enough or six is about right? And why?

Are two houses enough or, like McCain's seven is about right? And why?

Are 3 pounds of a fine fois gras per week enough or 12 is better? And why?

Are 20 shirts, 20 t-shirts, 8 pairs of shoes, 10 pairs of jeans, 8 suits, and 5 sports jackets enough or you must have 50 of each? And why?

Do you need two chairs to sit on at the same time?

As they say in Uzbekistan, can one ass be at two different produce markets at the same time?

Posted by: VMR1 | October 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I just love the clever strategy here: McCain saying "I'm not President Bush" can so easily be used against him because just discussing himself and Bush together links the two in the listener's mind. Two months ago people were accusing Obama of poor campaign strategy but this has to be the best idea I've heard so far: keep framing McCain to Bush and use his own attempts to refute the claim against him by continuing the framing.

Posted by: divestoclimb | October 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Additional questions to the young Republican capitalists-in-training:

There's a tremendous dichotomy in the way free markets, competition, capitalism, protestant work ethic, fair play, individual initiative, hard work, etc. - all these unquestionable goodies are drilled into us as American values, on the one hand.
While on the other, every single economic player in this fabulous system of values is acting as if to subvert these very same values.


To clarify.
1. Every business hates competition and does everything in its power to subvert and eliminate it. Hey, what gives??? I though we lived and breathed competition?

2. Because the above is a natural tendency for a business, then tendency to monopolize its position is the natural consequence. But we've been there before, having read Karl Marx established anti-trust laws. Hence, a major government role to regulate business is logical necessity.

3. There're literally hundreds of thousands of people employed by the securities industry, doing what?
Trying to get rich by speculating and shuffling other people's paper assets.
Essentially it's a parasitic activity:
Some people are trying to make money off of other people trying to make money off of yet other people trying to make money by making things.
What happened to the protestant ethic, hard work, and fair play? Gone!

3. Corporations raise money by issuing stock thereby diluting ownership and, shareholders' control of the company.
The sole purpose of top management of a public company thus becomes to meet next quarter expectations and look like a good corporate citizen doing it. This leads to
disappearance of long-term planning and, not surpsisingly, golden parachute executive employement contracts. So, no matter how awful the company may be doing and how much shareholders are losing, the top management lives in a socialist paradise the likes of which even Vladimir Lenin couldn't imagine. Have von Hayek Milton Friedman, William Buckley, and other intellectual giants of capialism ever been comfortable with such a perversion of pure capitalism? Would Adam Smith? Note, this perversion is what constitutes much of our, ostensibly capitalist economy.

4) What would happen if, theoretically, we could round up and sent home the 15-20 million illegals working in this country home? In addition, what would happen if, theoretically, it were possible to ban marketing and advertising for a year?
Wouldn't you expect that this, the most magnificent economy and nation ever devised by Master of the Universe would collapse like a sack of dreck?
That's right, much of this economy is
based on B.S. and under-paid illegal labor. Is this what we call a highly-developed market economy? Is this a natural evolution of capitalism?


Chew on this for a while, will ya

Posted by: VMR1 | October 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

michaelellis writes
"How much is enough? According to the CBO the top 20% of wage earners already shoulder more than 65% of the tax burden, while the bottom 20% account for less than 6%. Why do liberals always get so upset that someone, anyone should have the audacity to make more money than they do?"

I don't know how much is enough. What I do know is that incessantly cutting taxes and instead borrowing money has contributed to the financial crisis we face as a country today. Borrow and spend is worse fiscal policy than tax and spend. I, like most people, would prefer to pay lower taxes. I'm right on the cusp of that top 20%, for the record. I don't want to pay more in taxes, but I know enough about how the economy works to understand that we cannot continue to borrow and spend our way out of this hole. I want a president that is willing to ask us to change our behavior in order to address a problem that affects us all. Senator McCain has, disappointingly, insisted that tax cuts and a spending freeze will solve the problem, when they very clearly will not. The past 8 years we've been told that tax cuts boost the economy. Well, look where the economy is. Are you telling me that we haven't cut them enough? That if only we borrow more money and cut taxes further, our economy will revert to the boom times we've enjoyed in the past? How about you explain how another proposal is better, rather than regressing to the tired class warfare angle?

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

collette and drindl,
According to the US Treasury Department, the wealthiest 1% of the population of Americans earn 19% of the income, but pay 37% of the taxes. Further, the top 10% of the population pay 68% of the tax burden, while the bottom 50% earn 13% of the income while paying only 3% of the federal tax burden. These are the US Treasury's figures, not mine. Assuming these can be trusted, (and who doesn't find it difficult to trust the gov these days)how then do those who make "less" pay "more?"

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

On Salon Radio this morning, Glenn Greenwald asked Harper’s Scott Horton about his recent reporting on how Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol lobbied the McCain campaign to select Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) as the Republican vice presidential nominee. Horton explained that the McCain campaign is now regretting following Kristol’s advice, calling the Palin pick a “total disaster“:

HORTON: We’ve got a lot of finger-pointing going on within the camp, and I’d say there’s a pretty broad agreement amongst a number of the senior-most advisors to McCain that the Palin pick is worse than disappointing. It’s a total disaster, as one describes to me. And there is a sort of blame game going on there. […]

I would say the anger and irritation between a number of the senior people in the McCain camp and Bill Kristol is become really acute. … They view this man as the guy who gave them this albatross, Sarah Palin. I think there’s a lot of real anger about it. There’s also recognition that it’s too late to do anything.

Horton said neoconservatives are “now just proceeding to develop Palin as their candidate, as somebody they want to bring up in 2012, as the neo-con favored Republican.” Last month, a former Republican White House official, who now works at the American Enterprise Institute, said, “She’s bright and she’s a blank page. She’s going places and it’s worth going there with her.”

Posted by: drindl | October 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse


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"Last night's debate was a major step in the right direction...for McCain."

More like a 1/4 inch on a hundred-mile journey for McCain.

It's actually very hard to see how McCain's assertion that he's NOT W. at this point in the game is going to help him at all.

Back in may, during the primary, he said on the O'Really Factor that he campaigned everywhere in America in '04 for Bush.

And just look at this picture:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/mccain%20bush%20hug%20twn.jpg

And wasn't McCain's strategy for '08 to co-opt the Bush legacy, his electoral machine, and his campaign advisers--which is effectively what he did.

Except that he inherited a huge turdball, and the Republican base didn't make things easier for him.

But now he wants to say that he's not Bush?

COME ON!

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Posted by: el_barto | October 16, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

How much is enough? According to the CBO the top 20% of wage earners already shoulder more than 65% of the tax burden, while the bottom 20% account for less than 6%. Why do liberals always get so upset that someone, anyone should have the audacity to make more money than they do? Will we not stop until we tax everyone into equality? Hey, there's an idea. Let's tax everyone to the point that no one individual makes any more money than any other individual? In this manner, we can really root out the incentive for people to do well. Good job. Posted by: michaelellis29

michealellis29 -- The top 20% of wage earners pay a lower percentage of taxes than the person making $100,000 per year. That's the "trickle down" theory of Republicans. Which might work if a fair wage trickled down... it just hasn't.

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

How much is enough? According to the CBO the top 20% of wage earners already shoulder more than 65% of the tax burden, while the bottom 20% account for less than 6%.

The wealthy have all sorts of ways of getting out of taxes. They pay a bare 15% for capital gains, a far lower percentage of income than I, a middle class person, pays for taxes.

It is all in the PERCENTAGE of income that you pay. And by this measure, the only fair one, the middle class pays more than the wealthy.

I feel sorry for middle class people who would give the extremely wealthy tax cuts at the expense of your own country. Why do you grovel for these people and worry so about them? They certainly don't give a damn about you.

Posted by: drindl | October 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"McCain is on fire at the Debate - slamming Obama point after point." 37 kool aid drinker

Oh my gosh 37- what have you been drinking or smoking?

The only thing on fire in McCain's corner were his pants- from lying. He looked like he was on amphetamines- eyes blinking, twitching, rolling up in his head.
He was totally agitated, irrational and often slurred his words.

"Senator Government?" I feel sorry for that old doddering, angry, impulsive man.

The only thing that McCain won last night was more of my disdain for the him.

Let McLame retire to one of Cindy's luxurious estates- that is if he can remember where they are- and tend the barbecue for his many corprate lobbyist friends.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is Bush. He is identical to Bush on taxes and fiscal policy, on energy and on health care -- the biggest issues this year. He is identical to Bush on abortion rights, judicial appointments, social security, Medicare. There simply is no difference of consequence. He can deny it all he wants -- the minute he says anything else, it becomes apparent again.

Posted by: mnjam | October 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

bsimon,

"Its not about punishing the rich, its about the people who've gained the most in our capitalist system also contribute the most back to that system."

How much is enough? According to the CBO the top 20% of wage earners already shoulder more than 65% of the tax burden, while the bottom 20% account for less than 6%. Why do liberals always get so upset that someone, anyone should have the audacity to make more money than they do? Will we not stop until we tax everyone into equality? Hey, there's an idea. Let's tax everyone to the point that no one individual makes any more money than any other individual? In this manner, we can really root out the incentive for people to do well. Good job.

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

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I Am Not President Bush - If You Wanted To Run Against Bush You Should Have Run 4 Years Ago.

McCain is on fire at the Debate - slamming Obama point after point.

On the Economy clearly McCain defined Obama as the High Tax candidate who is intent on increasing spending and raising taxes.

On Congressman Lewis Obama slimed around and refused to answer the question - then Obama refused to do the right thing - lending credibility to the notion that the Obama campaign put Congressman Lewis up to making those completely outrageous statements.

McCain won the Tax Debate - beating Obama by framing the issue in the prism of small business and jobs - which is the correct economic analysis.

McCain has been on mark all night - hitting Obama whenever Obama makes a contradiction or an inconsistency.

Everytime McCain caught Obama in a deception or a lie Obama smiled like he knew he was caught and Obama looked like he was attempting to hide his lies with a smile.

Towards the end of the debate Obama stopped smiling - Obama looked tired and beaten.

McCain won the debate point by point slamming Obama and showing how McCain will be Lead this Nation To Prosperity Again.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 16, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

--"I think it is effective, and totally above the belt - in contrast to the slimy innuendo of McCain's attacks.

Posted by: pdech | October 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse "--

Dammmrrnnn Straight.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 16, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Luke 2, Thanks for the information... I guess interpretation of the Koran or Bible depends a lot on the hands it's in.

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is Fox News somehow not a part of the MSM? As they are "fair and balanced" why are they not publishing/reporting the truth in all the "stories" we see referenced by the McCain supporters? Perhaps it's because there is nothing there.....

Posted by: yodude1 | October 16, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain's I'm not George Bush line was good and it looked like he was going to have a good debate. Personally, I found the Joe the Plumber avenue dumb. I never got why Joe couldn't buy a business because of taxes. You only pay taxes on profits. I over analyze though, so I ignored it.

But I could ignore McCain when he started ranting about how Obama had just made Joe rich. That was creepy. Maybe those people who are already going to vote for McCain thought it was great, but it creeped me the hell out. I got a shiver when Obama called Hillery likeable enough. The Joe is rich rant was far worse. No matter what else McCain did in the debate, that moment was the final nail in the coffin.

Posted by: caribis | October 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

'Also that a woman who is raped is often blamed for the rape and then ostracized... And, abortion is forbidden in all circumstances. "Collette

Collette,

When I was living in Saudi Arabia, a Pakistani flight attendant was enticed into coming to the hotel room of a male supervisor who raped her. When we found out, we turned him into the authorities who jailed him for five years at hard labor, took him out in the city square every Friday for four weeks and whipped him until he was unconscious. He would have been executed except for the fact that his victim came to his room voluntarily- something that was prohibited under the airline's regulations. His family had to pay her family $200,000 in damages (this was in 1976) and she received counseling and a pension from the airline.

From a renown Islamic scholar:

Dr. Shabbir set forth the unequivocal “pro-choice” position of the Prophet.

"The Quran forbids KILLING of CHILDREN for fear of poverty, that’s all.
6:151 — Neither kill your children for fear of poverty nor deprive them of proper training and education. We provide for you and for them —
Obviously, this is not abortion.

He goes on to say
"There can be nothing wrong with abortion when the mother’s or the fetus’ health would be endangered. Severe cardiac problems and eclampsia, epilepsy, schizophrenia in the mother, and Down’s syndrome, AIDS, incurable neurological disorders and other such diseases in the fetus diagnosed before birth through amniocentesis are a few examples. Considering the profound emotional trauma, a pregnancy through rape will easily qualify for abortion.

The Koran teaches respect for women. Of course just as in our Bible you can find passages that are archaic and applied to the culture of the time. Modern Islam does not teach terrorism, disrespect for women, or intolerance of the beliefs of others.

Hope this helps

Posted by: Luke2 | October 16, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

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I Am Not President Bush - If You Wanted To Run Against Bush You Should Have Run 4 Years Ago.

McCain is on fire at the Debate - slamming Obama point after point.

On the Economy clearly McCain defined Obama as the High Tax candidate who is intent on increasing spending and raising taxes.

On Congressman Lewis Obama slimed around and refused to answer the question - then Obama refused to do the right thing - lending credibility to the notion that the Obama campaign put Congressman Lewis up to making those completely outrageous statements.

McCain won the Tax Debate - beating Obama by framing the issue in the prism of small business and jobs - which is the correct economic analysis.

McCain has been on mark all night - hitting Obama whenever Obama makes a contradiction or an inconsistency.

Everytime McCain caught Obama in a deception or a lie Obama smiled like he knew he was caught and Obama looked like he was attempting to hide his lies with a smile.

Towards the end of the debate Obama stopped smiling - Obama looked tired and beaten.

McCain won the debate point by point slamming Obama and showing how McCain will be Lead this Nation To Prosperity Again.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 16, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Joe - since Chris is a little busy doing actual reporting, I'll help you out.

"Will you write an article about why Obama will not produce his medical records? Barack Obama stands alone in the last three elections as the only candidate to not release medical records to the public.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/30/nation/na-obama30

"Will you write an article about why Obama will not produce records from his days in the Illinois state Senate?"

By law, his service is a matter of public record.

"Will you write an article on why Obama has not produced his birth records?"

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

"Will you write an article about his trip to Pakistan using an Indonesian passport?"

He will as soon as you present evidence that he ever had an Indonesian passport. [PS - in case you want to repeat the canard about a travel ban, don't bother. It doesn't exist.]

"Could you write an article about any records that McCain has refused to produce."

How about his wife's tax returns?

"Thank you for your biased coverage."

And thank you for your time.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 16, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question for you, young capitalists.
You're a small business and you want to do better, so you move to location on a major thoroughfare with a lot of foot traffic.
Now you generate significantly more business but you pay significantly more for rent. In fact, at the old place your rent was $70,000/year and at the new one $120,000, or $50,000 more.

Furthermore, it so happens that your net profit now is $260,000. So, suppose you pay Obama's top corporate profit tax rate of 40% on the $10,000 portion over $250,000. It is $4,000, or $500/year more than what it is now, under Bush.

Question, why is it acceptable and normal to expect to pay $50,000 more in rent to a private landlord when you hope to generate more business, and why is it morally repugnant and wrong to pay $500 in additional taxes into your beloved country's general revenue fund
when you ARE making more money?

Posted by: VMR1 | October 16, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Link for Luke 2 and McCain supporters: http://honorkillingislam.blogspot.com/

As the mother of a beautiful teenage daughter when McCain sneered about adding the clause of protection for the mother's life in the case of abortion, he showed his truest self.

Why, if you wanted to end abortion wouldn't you add the "health" clause for the mother and pass a reasonable law! Abortion is unnatural, but so is rape and incest. If McCain honestly wanted to end abortion instead of using it to falsely demonize political rivals, he would engage in an in depth discussion of how poverty and lack of health care contribute to increasing abortions in our country and do something preventative by providing care for those in need. Rarely are middle income teenagers in loving involved families having abortions. It's older women who already have children who are facing poverty, single parenthood, or a health condition such as diabetes/cancer that poses a grave risk their health. And, it's poor teenagers who have no one to turn to...

Anyway, if my daughter was pregnant and her life was at risk, I want her and her physician to decide what is best to perserve her life -- NOT the government. McCain had already lost my vote, but, last night with the way he sneered about a woman's "health", McCain lost my respect.

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't make $250K a year but when I do get there I'll pay the taxes, and believe it or not the additional tax burden won't discourage me from attempting to earn more--amazing!! I have 4 kids and if we don't do something about our national debt (doubled by the "conservative" Bush republican administration)my kids will live in a third world country in 30 years. This is what we want? What do people think pays down the US national debt, Sarah's good looks?

Posted by: yodude1 | October 16, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

His campaign does not want to anger idiots and bigots like you by flaunting his academic record.

Not this time.

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but apparently they are willing to inflame us bigots and gun lovers with his IQ scores.

I am still wishing I was as smart as al gore.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

In yo' face, McSame.

MICHELLE 2016

Posted by: BudG024 | October 16, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting and fun to watch the GOP shrink to a few nativists haters, a couple of religious nuts, and the Kathryn Jean-Lopez's of the world in the next few years.


As long as the Rethuglican party continues to offer huge outsized tax breaks for the filthy rich and nothing for everyone else, the extremist nuts will be the only one's left carrying the GOPer banner after 2008.


I think it is going to be a while before we hear about the big tent Republican party.


Ladies and Germs...I give you your 2009 Republican party:


All hail the GOPer "pup tent party"!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5mdIPNB8t8
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 16, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse


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Chris:

I honestly believe that the polls are wrong - and especially this year people are still thinking - the election campaign is a thought process and many people know they do not have to make a final decision until November and they regard what they tell the posters as tentative and not binding.


Clearly.

I believe McCain set the groundwork for people who think and reason to select him to be the leader of the country. McCain is a leader with proven abilities.

Obama is running on the basis of his extracurricular activities in graduate school - hardly a proven leader or a person who should even be considered for such a high position. Just the idea that Obama is putting out there Harvard Law Revies indicates a COMPLETE LACK OF ACCOMPLISHMENT IN OBAMA'S PROFESSIONAL LIFE.

McCain has been a PROVEN BIPARTISAN LEADER ON CAPITOL HILL - THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOU THAT.


In contrast, Obama has only talking points.

Obama's claims to be a post-racial candidate have proven to be a FRAUD - proven by Obama's own campaign tactics during the campaign -


Hardly the stuff of a sound leader.


Obama clearly feel short last night - I do not buy the idea that "no major gaffe means Obama won." That is silly.

McCain was able to draw clear contrasts and show he was a Fighter.

McCain is the right man for the job.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

" As long as we can raise taxes on "rich" people...right?"

Its not about punishing the rich, its about the people who've gained the most in our capitalist system also contribute the most back to that system.

The crux of the problem is that we've been spending more than we've collected in revenue for far too long. Somebody has to step up & fix the problem, step one is matching revenue with expenses. Step two is paying down the debt we've already accrued. If we take the McCAin plan and freeze spending at current levels, cutting taxes will exacerbate the problem because we're already spending more than we're collecting. Someone's going to have to suck it up and start paying more. I think the people who've enjoyed the benefits of our system of capitalism ought to be picking up more of the tab.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The Obama ad completely negates McCain's I'm not Bush line. And with Obama's pile of cash, get used to seeing a lot of this ad until election day.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 16, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

michaelellis, the plumber employees/contractors will generally have their pay included in cost of services sold, which is COGS. Admin should be accounted for as other expenses, but some % might properly be allocated to COGS.

Cite the link to your assertion that BHO intends to tax "gross profits", please. That of course would be horrible, something like the TX Margins tax.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Hate to correct you, but that is actually an "additional expense" and is not factored into COGS..."

Hate to correct you, but it depends on the kind of business. In a service industry where the 'good' sold is the labor of the employee, that employee's compensation is a cost of the good sold.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Just thought I would make this small correction. lest you feel foolish for bestowing Obama with the distinction of being the top performer in his graduating class, which, of course, he was not by virtue of your reporting..."

What does McCain get for finishing 894 in a class of 899, Dumma Cum Lousy?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 16, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

specifically, labor is an operating expense, but who's counting? As long as we can raise taxes on "rich" people...right?

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1 wrote: "Keep in mind that cost of goods sold includes labor. So the cost of paying the plumber (employee) who does the work is deducted as a cost when determining profit." Hate to correct you, but that is actually an "additional expense" and is not factored into COGS...

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Will you write an article on what Obama's accomplishments for the public are thus far? This can include Chicago in case you don't find any from his unfinished first term in the Senate.

Will you write an article about why Obama will not produce his medical records? Barack Obama stands alone in the last three elections as the only candidate to not release medical records to the public.

Will you write an article about why Obama will not release his records from Columbia?

Will you write an article about why Obama will not produce records from his days in the Illinois state Senate?

Will you write an article on why Obama has not produced his birth records?

Will you write an article about his trip to Pakistan using an Indonesian passport?

Do you think that these records should be kept from the public until AFTER the election?

Could you write an article about any records that McCain has refused to produce.

Thank you for your biased coverage.

Posted by: joep1 | October 16, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

marknaustin wrote: "As it stands, we will probably have to cling to the slim hope that BHO will have the desire and the ability to curb his own party." A rather sophomoric hope, for when has Obama ever demonstrated such a desire to curb out of control spending? Sure, it makes for a great stump speech, but if you read his economic plan for America it increase Federal spending with no practical suggestion as to how to pay for it. I LOVE that he says we are living beyond our means and must sacrifice, but Senator, SHOW me in your plan where you intend to live by the same standard that you set for the American people, because right now it does not exist...

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Good ad. McCain himself spouting 'I voted with President Bush 90% of the time.'

But it wouldn't stick if he had demonstrated any policies that were in any way different from Bush's, or any real understanding of what was going on in the financial markets or how to address it, or even had reputable financial advisors. But he hasn't.

On top of it, his ideas on how to get us how of this mess mirror Herbert Hoover's -- disastrous.

Posted by: drindl | October 16, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"if you read Obama's agenda, the soon-to-be Prez will tax SMALL BUSINESSES with gross profits of 250K or more, not just personal income, and if we all remember our Financial Accounting formulae, gross profits = total sales minus cost of goods sold."

Keep in mind that cost of goods sold includes labor. So the cost of paying the plumber (employee) who does the work is deducted as a cost when determining profit. If that plumber needs a truck to get to the job, the cost of renting/leasing/buying and operating that truck is deducted prior to calculating profit. If the owner of the business is going to the job site & doing some of the labor, he can pay himself a salary that is part of the cost of goods sold before profit is calculated. In other words, he could pay himself $200K per year before calculating profit and still make up to $250K in profit before moving into the higher tax bracket. From where I sit, that's upper class income.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

To answer your question, Chris, yes it will.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 16, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Proud, you confused "gross receipts" with "net income".

I think you also have a confused notion of socialism.

BUT I do think the D leadership in the Congress - if the Ds have relatively solid control of both houses - will be tempted to shotgun spending. Not to put too fine a point on it, I expect heightened competition among the states and congressional districts for deficit dollars.

Thus the best reason to vote for McC is if you think he would act as a brake on Congressional sloth. I wish he had made that case last night, instead of venting his personal pique for minutes on end. As it stands, we will probably have to cling to the slim hope that BHO will have the desire and the ability to curb his own party. His meeting with the blue dogs was intended to convey his willingness to curb excesses to gain their support. We'll probably get to find out.

I am a McC defector who has not lost his admiration for the man - but as Krauthammer grudgingly said in the WaPo after the SHP selection, BHO is the one with the intelligence and the temperament this time. McC has failed to distance himself from GWB on the economy and that is now the issue.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Obviously TaoZen is not a small business owner, nor has he read Obama's agenda for taxing small businesses...that's o.k. though, neither have any of Obama's supporters.

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

You should all be ashamed of your contribution to a damned campaign.

Posted by: KMichaels

----------------------------YES THEY SHOULD!

...wait...we're talking about President Bush...right?

Posted by: kban495 | October 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Simple answer to your question, Chris: yes it will work. Senator McCain can not run from his experience.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 16, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

michaelellis29 wrote: "... if you read Obama's agenda, the soon-to-be Prez will tax SMALL BUSINESSES with gross profits of 250K or more..." This is an example of how idiotic the Republican logic is. Tax is always based on net instead of gross profit. Ever pay taxes?

Posted by: TaoZen | October 16, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Luke 2 Thank you for your reply. I apologize to anyone whom I offended. My limited knowledge of Islam is through the books I have read of others experiences not the religion itself. Painting a religion with a broad brush is foolish. My understanding from information I've read is that unwed girls who become pregnant in Muslim families are subjected to varying degrees of cruelty as it is considered a sin. Also that a woman who is raped is often blamed for the rape and then ostracized... And, abortion is forbidden in all circumstances. I am interested in knowing the truth about the Islamic faith and practices... Anyone have the information?

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey bsimon1,

Not to get caught up in all of the Joe Plumber stuff, but while you make a point with regard to the way in which personal income is taxed, if you read Obama's agenda, the soon-to-be Prez will tax SMALL BUSINESSES with gross profits of 250K or more, not just personal income, and if we all remember our Financial Accounting formulae, gross profits = total sales minus cost of goods sold. In other words, get used to bologna Joe!!!

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

This is the best commercial I have seen this season. It tells the truth about McCain’s policies. McCain has adopted all of the Bush polices and would be a third Bush term.

Posted by: bradcpa | October 16, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

At least the libs have figured one thing out: If we can't get legislate big business out of America, we will get rid of big business by taking over the banking industry and refusing to loan them any money. Tha ought to take care of those nasty, job-creating businesses! Don't they know that creating jobs is a task for the president, and not for business?

Posted by: michaelellis29

----------------------------- Sarah (Palin)? Is that you?

Posted by: kban495 | October 16, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

What Steve Schmidt et al don't seem to get is those working on Obama's campaign KNOW McCain's record.

Showing McCain boasting about voting with Bush 90% of the time renders his best debate punchline meaningless.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 16, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Luke2,

Just an FYI: MAGNA cum Laude is a distinction reserved for those who finish in the top 10-15% of their class. By contrast, SUMMA cum laude is typically the highest distinction recognized by US Universities, usually honoring those who finish in the top 5% of their graduating class. Just thought I would make this small correction. lest you feel foolish for bestowing Obama with the distinction of being the top performer in his graduating class, which, of course, he was not by virtue of your reporting...

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The Bush-McCain connection is just so ingrained in voters at this point that it will be all but impossible for McCain to be able to shake it off in less than three weeks.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 16, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I think it is effective, and totally above the belt - in contrast to the slimy innuendo of McCain's attacks.

Posted by: pdech | October 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey mykulw,

Why do liberals only consider reporting to be "impartial" when it supports your own specific platform? Any reporting that takes a stance opposite that of the "enlightened left" is instead referenced as right-wing partiality. You are more than welcome to your own opinions, but don't let's pretend that there is no bias in reporting...

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOp writes
"The fact that Joe's business makes $250K per year means that Joe, the owner, brings home something like $40,000 per year after he pays all his expenses. And now, Barack Obama wants to punish him becuase he has worked harder, and applied himself and sacrificed to make his family's future better? "

Actually that's not at all true. If Joe is making $40K after expenses, he is not in the top 5% of earners. He will only see a tax increase if he's taking home $250,000 after expenses. That's after he's paid employees, paid for his truck, paid advertising & phone expenses, paid rent, paid the business loan. If the people that support the GOP don't understand this most basic difference between gross sales and net income, its no wonder that they have bought into the fiscal irresponsibility of the Bush administration lock, stock and barrel. Perhaps you should take a basic accounting class before posting next time.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

king of zouk says:
"but no school records yet. hmmmmmmm"

I'm sure that Senator Obama would be happy to provide his school record's as soon as John McCain posts his failing grades at Annapolis. He was fifth from the bottom of his class out of nearly 900 students and only escaped academic expulsion because of the influence of his high ranking father.

In fact, he lacked the grades to get into the Academy in the first place- but family nepotism got him in.

As for Sarah Palin- changing school five times in six years from one run of the mill college to another, to get a degree in sports journalism" Where are her grades? She can't even put together a coherent sentence. If gibberish is what you like, then she is right up your alley.

Graduating Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School meant that Senator Obama had the highest grades in his competitive class. His campaign does not want to anger idiots and bigots like you by flaunting his academic record.

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 16, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's own voting record shows that he votes for Bush quite frequently."

Are we giving up on the Obama being most liberal tact already?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 16, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!


Life imitates art.


The Great Debate - Part III


Let's Get Ready to Rumble!!!


Batman (Obama) vs Penquin (McCain)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 16, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

My father used to say:

Do not measure people by what they say.
Do not measure people by what they do.
You would only know a person if you understand why a person do the things they do.

Mr. McCain last night you told me that your were not Bush...eventhough you did things that he did.

Posted by: PCM011 | October 16, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

At least the libs have figured one thing out: If we can't get legislate big business out of America, we will get rid of big business by taking over the banking industry and refusing to loan them any money. Tha ought to take care of those nasty, job-creating businesses! Don't they know that creating jobs is a task for the president, and not for business?

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I find it very disturbing and undemocratic that the Republican base can not accept any impartial reportage.
The screams of "Kill the messenger" are just as hateful and mean-spirited as the crowds at a Palin rally screaming "kill him", and "terrorist" et al.
The Republican party has run against any outward signs of intelligence since Ronald Reagan..for I dare say obvious reasons. The only exceptions being a well placed rejoinder from the National Review or WSJ.
It is long past time for people to realize this nation is In Trouble and that we don't need a man who was 894 of 899 at the Naval Academy. And worse still, the man who crashed 5 Navy jets, one of which blacked-out half the territory of one of our allies. Senator McCain cannot measure up to his father or grandfather (sound familiar?) and now he wants to run this country. Nice try, NEXT.

Posted by: mykulw | October 16, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"The only candidate to express any Muslim ties is McCain with the value he places on the life of a pregnant women - very similar to Muslim culture.)" collette.

Dear Collette,

I am a strong supporter of Senator Obama, but have to tell you that Muslims and the islam,faith as taught in their Koran and practiced in all countries that they inhabit, absolutely respect women and mothers.

I lived in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, and Egypt for many years and can tell you that Muslims rever their wives, daughters, and all women. I have been in their homes when the wife told the husband to run out for some groceries. My friend, the husband, who was a Captain at Saudi Arabian Airlines, jumped off the couch and followed her instuctions. He often told me, "my wife is the boss in my house."

From an Islamic scholar:

"God's commandments about the status of women and the relations between men and women, which have been revealed to us through the Koran, consist of full justice. In this regard, Islam suggests equality of rights, responsibilities and duties between the two genders. Islam is based on sympathy, tolerance and respect for human beings, and does not discriminate against women in this matter.

The examples of good morals communicated to us in the Koran are universally compatible with human nature, and are valid for all stages of history.

Respect for women and women's rights fall within this. In the Koran God insists that the tasks and responsibilities of women are the same as those of men. Furthermore, while performing these tasks and responsibilities men and women must help and support each other.

The men and women of the believers are friends of one another. They command what is right and forbid what is wrong, and establish prayer and pay alms, and obey Allah and His Messenger. They are the people on whom Allah will have mercy. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Koran, 9:71)

God emphasizes that believers will be rewarded in the same manner according to their deeds, regardless of their gender.

Their Lord responds to them: 'I will not let the deeds of any doer among you go to waste, male or female - you are both the same in that respect... (Koran, 3:195)

Posted by: Luke2 | October 16, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Arrogant, incompetent neocon freaks, you are finished. We will ram the words "President Obama" down your throat and make you like it. John McCain is doomed. You will be lucky to have the next Republican in the White House in 2028.

Posted by: euroguy | October 16, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

My husband and I watched the debate as we have watched all previous debates.

McCain's "offensive" was that -- offensive -- and seemed like the attacks of a desperate politician.

Obama appeared calm, collected, and thoughtful while McCain seemed like he was struggling to keep his cool (which may be true since his bad temper is quite well known in DC circles).

However, McCain's attacks seemed a bit pathetic, as if he was looking for something, anything, to make Obama look bad. It made McCain appear less presidential and more petulant and petty.

As for McCain's ubiquitous references to his military service, okay, so he served in the military as did his father and grandfather. I can name a number of people who have served in the military including my nephews who are 4th generation military, one of whom served in Iraq; the other, in the Persian Gulf. So? That does not qualify you to be president!!!

Obama seemed like the voice of reason, logic, and compassion -- a leader who is intelligent and knowledgeable while understanding there is no easy fix or solution to our current crisis. Too bad the same cannot be said of McCain.

Posted by: abby0802 | October 16, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The speed and accuracy of this latest Obama ad are breathtaking. This ad has nailed the fidgeting, eye-rolling, and other facial tics that revealed when McCain was lying last night.

Of course McCain is an extension of Bush. Any moderately intelligent reading of the news over the past eight years and of McCain's own disasterous run to the right indicates that this linkage is true.

Now we have McCain saying it in his own words for all to see. Devastating.

McCain has the choice of going down to defeat like a man with a shred of his former dignity restored. Or sliming and smearing his way to ignominious defeat.

If Mccain is smart and looks to history, he will go out with his head held high and conduct a campaign of honor. But I am not sure how smart he actually is; after all he voted with George Bush 90 percent of the time.

Posted by: dee5 | October 16, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama Is a Phenomenally Cool Guy. Nothing can ruffle Obama.


And the contrast becomes all the more stronger as McCain continued his furious blinking and entered his lizard-tongue-jut portion of the debate last night.


McCain came off looking even angrier and grumpier than he was during the first two debates and that's a heck of feat considering how bad McCain looked during those debates.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZLg_lmx10
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 16, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Where is news about the real Obama. Why the hell dont people dig up his real voting record."

You don't want news. You want retard innuendo and slander that reinforces your world-view - that White is right, and that you are justified in evading taxes, no matter what the outcome on society.

If you think Cillizza is going to repeat the Muslim, fake birth certificate, cocaine, terrorist nonsense that you wing-nut retards lap up, forget it.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 16, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

PS The moon landing wasn't faked.

Posted by: bhuang2


how long did it take you to compose that? your keeper must be proud.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow just watched Obama's new ad and I have to say that if I weren't already voting for Obama, I would be. It made me realize, even though I have heard that statment made sooo many times, that's it'true. I don't see how McCain can get out from under that one except to cry foul, but the proof of the truth is right there!

Posted by: puredemo | October 16, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Well, let's see. Barack Hussein Obama's I.Q. was twice tested at between 165 and 168 while at Punahou in Hawaii.

Let me guess, you saw the photoshopped version right next to his birth certificate on the internet. Was it right next to your winning Nigerian lottery ticket?

but no school records yet. hmmmmmmm

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

A dullwitted Obamabot had this to say about his Messiah Obama "Well, let's see. Barack Hussein Obama's I.Q. was twice tested at between 165 and 168 while at Punahou in Hawaii."

Funny, since Einstein and the best minds in the world are less than that then A, Obama is a genius or B, you are lying your arse off.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Third; he taught Constitutional Law at the prestigious and very conservative University of Chicago Law School for 12 years and was offered full tenure to stay on- that is only offered to the brightest and best teachers.

Got to be the only professor ever with no publications, no papers, no conferences, no awards, no journals, no recognition, no scholarship of any kind.

Hmmmmmmm

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Second, he graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School- which means he was the top student in his class at the nation's best law school."

how do you know. He won't release his transcripts.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama: And if this is your army, why does it go?

Veteran: We didn't come here to fight for them!

Young Soldier: Home! The Republicans are too many!

Obama: Americans! I am Obama.
Young Soldier: Obama is seven feet tall!

Obama: Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the Republicans with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.

Obama: I *am* Obama! And I see a whole army of my countrymen, here in defiance of tyranny. You've come to fight as free men... and free men you are. What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight?

Veteran: Fight? Against that? No! We will run. And we will live.

Obama: Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

Posted by: hiberniantears | October 16, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

At least the libs have figured one thing out: If we can't get legislate big business out of America, we will get rid of big business by taking over the banking industry and refusing to loan them any money. Tha ought to take care of those nasty, job-creating businesses! Don't they know that creating jobs is a task for the president, and not for business?

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama's own voting record shows that he votes for Bush quite frequently. Will the ad work? Who knows. The stupidity of the American voter is pretty evident letting that self-promoting socialist get this far. The real question is will writers like Chris Saleeza wake up to the fact that he twiddles away his time writing BS juvenile articles when he is supposed to be a professional. Where is news about the real Obama. Why the hell dont people dig up his real voting record. Chris sucks up to Obama, WaPo writers in general suck up to Obama and not a one of them is serving the public with their crappy form of journalism which is nothing more than Obama campaigning. You should all be ashamed of your contribution to a damned campaign.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey Zouk,

When you're walking through the creationism museum, do you really believe that mankind co-existed with the dinosaurs?

Do you still believe that the world is flat?

Sounds like you're fairly anti-education so these seem like appropriate questions to address to you.

PS The moon landing wasn't faked.

Posted by: bhuang2 | October 16, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"just for fun alert me as to how you decided Barry hussain was intelligent?" king_of_zouk

Dear King of Zouk ,

Well, let's see. Barack Hussein Obama's I.Q. was twice tested at between 165 and 168 while at Punahou in Hawaii.

His campaign tries to cover this up because they understand people like you, who can't even spell his middle name correctly, would be offended by intelligence.

Second, he graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School- which means he was the top student in his class at the nation's best law school.

Third; he taught Constitutional Law at the prestigious and very conservative University of Chicago Law School for 12 years and was offered full tenure to stay on- that is only offered to the brightest and best teachers.

Fourth; he has run the largest and most successful grassroots presidential campaign in history.

Stop the fear, ignorance, and lies about a brilliant, honest,patriotic, intelligent, and rational American citizen.

Our nation is better than what you are doing.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 16, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Pro36 -- I am on the floor laughing at your post! Wow, what an ignorant statement... (The only candidate to express any Muslim ties is McCain with the value he places on the life of a pregnant women - very similar to Muslim culture.) Too bad there isn't a test you have to pass to be able to vote in this country. You guys elected the last president (albeit unfairly). Now it's time for people with average and above IQs to have a turn. LOLOLOLOL What a nut! Better stock up on chips and beer to console yourself when McCain comes in second. But, Don't worry, all isn't lost... Obama will stop the foreclosure on your doublewide.

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Chris Saleeza, Obama suckup cant wait to post some story that always tends to lean towards Obama one war or the other.

Obama is a hedonistic arse. Of course he will spin anything to his advantage. He is a damned self-serving self-promoting socialist with big plans for personal glory.

McCain nailed his lame arse on most issues and Obama feels stinged by it.

Man, that Chris though. Nobody lapdogs for THE ONE better than him.

I notice that Chris is one of many superficial non-working, yellow journalists that cant seem to muster a real story if his life depended on it. But hell, most MSM liberal twits are pretty much as mindless and juvenile as he is.

Whatever happened to real journalism? What about a story that actually researches real facts and real issues instead of just repeating Obama talking points?

God, can we ever get a real new organizations and let these Obama lapdoggers just rot in hell just for a little while so that they can get some perspective.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Chris Saleeza, Obama suckup cant wait to post some story that always tends to lean towards Obama one war or the other.

Obama is a hedonistic arse. Of course he will spin anything to his advantage. He is a damned self-serving self-promoting socialist with big plans for personal glory.

McCain nailed his lame arse on most issues and Obama feels stinged by it.

Man, that Chris though. Nobody lapdogs for THE ONE better than him.

I notice that Chris is one of many superficial non-working, yellow journalists that cant seem to muster a real story if his life depended on it. But hell, most MSM liberal twits are pretty much as mindless and juvenile as he is.

Whatever happened to real journalism? What about a story that actually researches real facts and real issues instead of just repeating Obama talking points?

God, can we ever get a real new organizations and let these Obama lapdoggers just rot in hell just for a little while so that they can get some perspective.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 16, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Barack Obama is a true man of substance, character and intelligence.

Posted by: Godhimself1


talk about delusional. why are you libs always calling everyone names that apply to the name-caller. just for fun alert me as to how you decided Barry hussain was intelligent? that he is substantial? his character is clearly suspect. he won't release any details about himself. the stuff that gets out, he denies and obfuscates. voting PRESENT is not substantial. hanging with goons is not a sign of character. having high promise and never coming through is not intelligent.

Regardless of all his personal shortcomings, it is his policies that are most unsettling. the capital evacuation has already set in due to anticipation of the messiahs election. If you have any gold, you better hide it before Obama finds it and donates it to ACORN.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

If he saturates with the ad, it will work. The clincher is using direct tape of McCain at the beginning and the end of the ad. It is a killer. McCain refutes his own point from the debate - another blow to his crumbling credibility.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | October 16, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Should Obama win the Presidency, and by all accounts he will, the thing that I find most interesting about such a victory is that it will have been won NOT on the strengths of Obama's platform, (which raises taxes overall in the long run, despite his assertions to the contrary) but by his ability to paint John McCain as nothing more than a George W Bush wannabe. Granted, McCain has done NOTHING to help his own cause, but I could not help but feel sorry for him during each of these debates. He seems like someone who desperately wants the American public to hear him. But when given the opportunity to speak, he really hasn't had much to say. Also, the idea of the Federal government being involved in the day to day operation of the banking industry, whom they are also charged with regulating, scares me to death! I trust a conservative, business friendly congress with this power far more than I do a liberal, "let government take care of you" congress. Obama will have to call for a hasty exit from the banking business as soon as possible, lest his legacy be that of the President who successfully turned the United States into a socialist republic...

Posted by: michaelellis29 | October 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The RNC is pulling ad money out of WI and ME and redirecting it to NC, MO, VA, IN, and CO.

Every state that is currently considered a battleground is a state that Bush won in 2004.

Contrast that with '04, when the battleground included PA, WI, ME, NH, and even MN.

Doesn't it seem as if the GOP is now just trying to avoid handing Obama an electoral landslide by just holding on to some of the ground that's slipping away from them?

Posted by: cam8 | October 16, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Of course the ad will work. You can say whatever you like during a debate, but it's the record that counts. And when you have John McCain saying it in his own words, when he wasn't behind double-digits in the polls...

Well, I think the voters understand.

Posted by: amaikovich | October 16, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Quote from Senator Obama:

"Our deepest fear is NOT that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.

It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant,gorgeous, talented, and fabulous?"

"Actually, who are you not to be?"

"You are a child of God."

"Your playing small doesn't serve the world.
There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
We are all meant to shine, as children do."

"We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is
within us.
It's not just in some of us, it's in everyone.
And as we let our own light shine,
we unconsciously give other
people permission to do the same."

"As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." Barack Obama

Stop the fear, ignorance and lies.

Not this time everyone. Please wake up.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 16, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Say what you like about the campaign. You have GOT to love technology in 2008. That they were able to get this ad out so fast is amazing. It is as if they knew the words were going to come out of his mouth, they waited from them to come then immediately went to work on the ad.

Whoever is the Obama camp marketing and IT chiefs are completely on point.

I think it will work, because it hurt McCain in his delivery of the statement.

We all can see that McCain is not physically George W., but his voting record says that they think on the same accord, follow the same policy perspective; in short, they are both wrongminded wealthy first republicans.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | October 16, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain's and GOP terror ties. Where are Bill-O, Sean, Rush etc on this.


http://www.slate.com/id/2202183/

Posted by: MerrillFrank | October 16, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I understand that you rabid Libs would like to refer to getting the truth out as negative campaigning.

the rest of us call these facts. It was something that historically the press used to do but not anymore.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

Delusion is human coping mechanism that helps an individual ignore completely or at the very least warp reality so it makes sense to them. You my friend, are delusional.

Mr. Barack Obama is a true man of substance, character and intelligence.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"There's no doubt that it will be considerably less if Barack Obama gets his way and starts "sharing Joe's wealth" with the people who are "behind". Maybe they're behind because thay haven't worked as hard or been as ambitious as Joe. Ergo, they don't deserve one red cent of Joe's hard earned money."

Again, you have no idea what Joe makes or what his income tax bracket is. You're falling back on that time-honored wing-nut paranoia, that this country is filled with lazy layabouts and Democrats want to take the middle class's money and shower it on welfare moms.

Haven't you been paying attention? Your GOP is taking Joe the Plumber's money and showering it on inept bankers. You are proof that GOP success of the last eight years hinges upon a vast swath voting against its interest in the name of vague concepts like "values" and "security."

But it's OK to protect the current tax burden on the middle class in favor of the upper 5%. As Rush and Hannity keep telling you, you too might join their ranks someday, so you need to preserve the status quo. Now go get that Powerball ticket. There's a 1 in 1,000,000,000,000 chance that you too can join that upper 5% (but good luck getting into their country clubs).

Posted by: bondjedi | October 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Liberals dont lie to us.Everybody knew by now that Obama is the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?"


Posted by: pro36
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I hope you know sniffing glue is bad for you. But you probably don't because KKK idiots are certainly not the smartest of the bunch. So keep on sniffing and eating your possum pie but please stop diddling your children...that is just sick.

You are a bigot. The hate you spew is un-American and there is no place for that in this country. America stands for diversity and tolerance. If continue w/ your racist remarks, let me say on behalf of this country, you are not welcome in this great nation. You are un-American. Please leave.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 16, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

a major step in the right direction for McCain? are you serious?
i dont think he gets any traction from that line. his body language said it all. he's anxiety is making already anxious voters anxious.
they want the calm, steady one.

Posted by: lsigalov1 | October 16, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

GReat AD! Last night, as a strong Obama supporter, my heart broke a bit for John McCain. At this point it's hard to recognize the old McCain. Within seconds of the debate ending my son phoned asking if McCain was on cocaine? McCain resembled a desperate chihuahua. I'm surprised he didn't pee on Obama's leg.

A final thought, McCain is so out of touch with average americans that he thinks "spreading the wealth" is a bad thing. (That does sound a LOT like George Bush Policy!) No one has "spread the wealth" over the past 8 years. The rich have kept and lost it all and then turned to the average tax payer for help. I think we can live with spreading the wealth around. It'll be a welcome change!

Posted by: collette0779 | October 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Who looks more Presidential? You tell me.

We even turned the sound down at one point during the split-screens. I think I know who I'm voting for and it's not some wild-eyed hot-head.

This is NOT a photoshopped image. Viewers saw the same gesture last night, but from the other angle--and not as close-up I might add.

http://images.derstandard.at/2008/10/16/1220631450981.jpg


Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Low liberal entiteis-Obama is the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36
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You are a bigot. The hate you spew is un-American and there is no place for that in this country. America stands for diversity and tolerance. If continue w/ your racist remarks, let me say on behalf of this country, you are not welcome in this great nation. You are un-American. Please leave.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

New national poll:Obama50% McCain 46%.Do u see the trend.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse
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Where are you getting those numbers? Faux News website?
The only question in which McCain gets higher rankings than Obama is: Who is running the more negative campaign?


Washington Post-ABC News poll

3. (ASKED OF REGISTERED VOTERS) If the 2008 presidential election were being held today and the candidates were (Barack Obama and Joe Biden, the Democrats) and (John McCain and Sarah Palin, the Republicans), for whom would you vote?

NET LEANED VOTE - LIKELY VOTERS

Obama McCain
10/11/08 53 43

NET LEANED VOTE - REGISTERED VOTERS
Obama McCain
10/11/08 54 41

5. (ASKED OF REGISTERED VOTERS) Do you think things in this country (are generally going in the right direction) or do you feel things (have gotten pretty seriously off on the wrong track)?

Right Wrong No
direction track opinion
10/11/08 RV 8 90 2


ASKED OF REGISTERED VOTERS) Regardless of who you may support, who do you trust more to handle [ITEM] - (Obama) or (McCain)?
10/11/08 - Summary Table*
Both Neither No
Obama McCain (vol.) (vol.) opinion
a. The economy 53 37 1 7 2
b. Helping the middle
class 59 31 1 6 2
c. The war in Iraq 48 47 1 4 1
d. Taxes 52 41 1 5 2
e. Protecting the Social
Security system 51 34 2 9 4
f. The U.S. campaign
against terrorism 43 49 2 4 3
g. Health care 59 30 1 6 4
h. An unexpected major
crisis 48 45 2 4 1

Posted by: lgaide | October 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

koz, Yeah, sort of like the plastic yo-yo with bells and whistles that I though looked cool. Then it fell apart after two days.

The problems will be magnified exponentially if coupled with a Democrat Congress. Obama, Pelosi & Reid will bankrupt the country for the next 50 years.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | October 16, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

zouk,

I love how you cherry-pick data from polls, especially ones where nearly every other metric suggests that Obama is wiping the floor with McCain.

Did you, by any chance, work for the DOD during the run-up to the Iraq invasion?

Posted by: cam8 | October 16, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"I love it when Dem's say that giving tax breaks to the evil rich is wrong and giving tax breaks to "middle america" and taxing the evil rich is the right thing to do. Please do a little research and see who actually pays taxes in America. The top 5% already pay 95% of the taxes..."

--Posted by: tbastian

tbastian,
Either you are confused or deceitful. The TRUTH is the top 5% in this country account for only 28% of the tax burden*. Try as you might you cannot skew these numbers.

Did you hear that? That was your poor-a$$ argument falling to the ground!!!

*Source: Congressional budget office
(http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8885/EffectiveTaxRates.shtml)

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think delaying the world series wil turn out to be a major error. we are back to the celebrity thing again and we all know how thin-skinned the messiah is.

He was stumbling for his stump/talking points after three debates. he is clearly out of memorized ideas. no wonder he wouldn't take up the townhall debates with Mccain.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"SOHT, The fact that Joe's business makes $250K per year means that Joe, the owner, brings home something like $40,000 per year after he pays all his expenses." proudtobegop,

Dear Gop,

you either don't understand English, or you are deliberately willing to lie about Senator Obama's tax policy.

Look. "Joe the Plumber" will not be taxed on his gross earnings. He will be taxed on net earnings- that is what he takes home after all his business expenses, state taxes, etc. If that is what you say is around $40,000 then under Senator Obama's plan he will get a huge tax break- three times higher than John McCain's proposal.

Very few small business owners net more than $250,000 after taking out all their deductions. It's something like 1% of all small businesses.

"Joe the Plumber" will prosper under Obama/Biden.

McCain/Palin just offer more years in Iraq and maybe Iran at ten billion a month. They offer nothing except more tax breaks for the very wealthy. Warren Buffet ( a Senator Obama advisor) says that he doesn't need a tax break. As of now, he pays a smaller percentage of his income to taxes than his secretary does.

McCain owns eight homes, has 13 cars, and his wife is worth over $600,000,000. He can't even bring himself to say thate "ugly" word,"middle class."

Stop believing the GOP lies. Vote your own self interest instead of giving into the fear, ignorance and hate of the right wing nuts, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

Not this time everybody.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 16, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Here are 10 good reasons why last night John McCain sealed his fate to a sweeping landslide loss to Barck Obama on November 4th.


1) With nervous ticks and non-stop blinks, McCain barely concealed his boiling rage and loathing toward Obama.


2) Voters don’t really like the idea of the steely-eyed McCain having a hatchet or a scalpel in his hands...let alone the nuclear football.


3) The Obama/McCain split-screen images reinforced the Marshall McLuhan concept of TV being kind to cool candidates and cruel to hot-headed ones.


4) Saying "I am not President Bush" helped McCain as much as Nixon declaring "I am not a crook!"


5) McCain dismissed protecting "The Health of the Mother" in abortion cases.


6) Obama showed his policy analysis and chops while McCain got the vote of Joe the Plumber.


7) Obama's smile communicates ease and self-confidence; McCain’s tight smirk is a mask for anger.


8) Acorn & Ayers: If you want to sling mud, make sure the people understand and CARE about the dirt you're throwing.


9) Obama looked warmly at voters in the camera; McCain forgot the camera was in the room.


10) At the end of the Reagan/Bush era, America is No Country for Old Angry Men

Posted by: DrainYou | October 16, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"You have no idea what Joe's income is,"

There's no doubt that it will be considerably less if Barack Obama gets his way and starts "sharing Joe's wealth" with the people who are "behind". Maybe they're behind because thay haven't worked as hard or been as ambitious as Joe. Ergo, they don't deserve one red cent of Joe's hard earned money.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | October 16, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Every time he gets off the stump speech, we see what his liberal socialist bent really is.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP


have you ever bought a really cool looking gift that had nice shiny wrapping and exquisite looking packaging. when you get home and open it (after the election) you realize that it is simply plastic cheap nothingness that you could have found at the dollar store.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Why is Obama putting out an ad today to answer McCain? Why didn't he say it to his face in the debate last night. I don't think his ad will do anything because it's a little to late to make it stick. Obama is overdoing the ads, I hear people now saying they are sick to death of this guy because he has back to back ads. Has he ever heard of over exposure? Also Obama is losing ground in the polls and I think he got hurt last night and the Plumber guy has been all over TV today and it will make an impression on a lot more voters than you think. Obama seems to be getting nervous about the media saying the race is over and I am wondering if they are seeing something in their internal polls that they aren't as secure as they think. As far as Obama going into the red states it's more show boating than anything because he has all this money to spend so he needs to put it somewhere.

Posted by: sque1 | October 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"The fact that Joe's business makes $250K per year means that Joe, the owner, brings home something like $40,000 per year after he pays all his expenses."

You pulled that number out of your bum. You have no idea what Joe's income is, so quit guessing.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama holds a 7.3% lead in the Real Clear Politics average of all polls, but the latest Gallup tracking poll reveals that there are nearly twice as many undecided voters this year than there were in the last presidential election. The Investor's Business Daily/TIPP poll (which was closest to the mark in predicting the 2004 outcome -- 0.4% off the actual result) now says this is a three-point race.


APThis week also brought a reminder that Sen. Obama hasn't closed the sale. The Washington Post/ABC poll found 45% of voters still don't think he's qualified to be president, about the same number who doubted his qualifications in March.

This is seven points more than George W. Bush's highest reading in 2000 and the worst since Michael Dukakis's 56% unqualified rating in 1988.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Joe the Plumber's positive effect will be shorter than Sarah "Skank" Palin's.

Anyone asked Joe how the family (you know, Charles Keating et al.) are doing these days?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

‘Joe the Plummer’ is nothing more than a Rovian card trick to cast the upper 5% as the lower 95%.

Next they will call Exxon-Mobil the good ‘ol oil change guys.

Posted by: bushieisa | October 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If the polls are accurate, McCain failed to reach the voter blocs he needs: independents and conservative/moderate democrats. They do not think McCain is the one to guide us through this economic crisis. In addition, they do not like Palin. The thought of Palin guiding the nation through this economic crisis (should something happen to McCain)is inconceivable.

My husband is an independent who leans toward the conservative side on economic issues. He thought McCain insane for selecting Palin. He believes Palin is unqualified, under-educated, and too extreme in her views. Even if McCain had a great economic proposal, he wouldn't get my husband's vote--all because of Palin.

Personally, Obama was not my first choice. But the choice between McCain-Palin or Obama-Biden is a no brainier for me. I don't like McCain's economic proposal and I agree with my husband where Palin is concern.

I think the republicans will have a tough go this election. For the first time in my life, I voted a straight democrat ticket (rather than by the individual's attributes). I live in a overwhelming republican county. All of the county supervisor candidates are republicans--consequently, I didn't vote for a single one. Nope, the republicans are on my "S" list and the more they cheer for Palin, and put forth lousy economic proposals, the longer they stay on that list.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 16, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

""...Joe the plumber..." This is a valid issue. Taxes going up is a terrible thing. But look at a graph that shows how many people make $250,000.00 a year. How many of us would trade positions? "

SOHT, The fact that Joe's business makes $250K per year means that Joe, the owner, brings home something like $40,000 per year after he pays all his expenses. And now, Barack Obama wants to punish him becuase he has worked harder, and applied himself and sacrificed to make his family's future better? This newest glimpse into the mind of Obama is equally as disturbing as the San Francisco moment. When voters like Joe the plumber get to hear what he really thinks, it is scarier than they even thought. Every time he gets off the stump speech, we see what his liberal socialist bent really is.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | October 16, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

After last night's display of lack of judgment coupled with erratic behavior, McCain should plan towards ending the Presidential campaign and his career with dignity.

Posted by: artemisia1 | October 16, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain Edging Up Daily Presidential Poll: Obama 50%, McCain 46% Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 46%. Rasmussen

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"...Now I understand there are video games for kids about Obama. Shades of Nazi Germany and the old Soviet Union..."
Posted by: musing | October 16, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse
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This is a brilliant example of the ignorance that abounds in America. There are NO video games about Obama. Obama had a billboard ad PLACED in a video game. You could at least find out the FACTS before you open your yap.

Posted by: lgaide | October 16, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Chris, 36than, all of you amnesiacs:
You make a lot of assumptions about the Obama campaign; they are afraid of the Bush-McCain connection not sticking? 100% of McCain's votes went with Bush in 2008; look it up.

and the ACORN-Obama connection? McCain LOVES ACORN! Don't believe me?
See McBush at an ACORN rally in 2006:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/a_lifetime_ago_sen_john.php

and finally, I for one only hit the abuse button when someone cusses to high heaven. That's it. Frankly, I enjoy debating with people who can't defend Bush/McSame and instead attack like rabid dogs.
THE ELECTORATE DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR FROM THE LOUD MINORITY ANYMORE!
Try putting your views up instead of crap like commie or socialist.
I DARE YOU!

Posted by: spenceradams | October 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

McCains Best Moment Last Night During The Debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKTOWrsGCQ


McCain Rally Goes Bad, With Bad Lyrics, Booing People leaving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPOpP89oMik

Posted by: pastor123 | October 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but using a rehearsed line like "I am not George Bush" does not constitute a "frank repudiation." And who thinks that McCain just saying so can erase McCain's 95% consistency with Bush positions on legislation? Wishing doesn't make it so, and with Rove's minions now pulling the McCain strings, we have no reason to think anything will change.

Posted by: 4avocats | October 16, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

BIDEN: JOE THE PLUMBER NOT A 'REAL' PLUMBER
(source: Politico.com)


JOE THE SENATOR KNOWS A 'REAL JOE' WHEN HE SEES ONE.

IS 'JOE THE (UNLICENSED) PLUMBER' A SET-UP?


Joe Biden is well aware that there is a political dirty tricks operation at work 24/7 in this campaign. Joe has excellent inside knowledge, based on his many years as an advocate for those who are charged with protecting America -- not subverting the political process.

These political operatives spam web sites with political invective, attack those whose posts don't comport to their world view, and they are quite capable of staging phony events and situations, and putting "plants" in the crowds, and in front of the cameras.

Such stagecraft is in the tradition of Donald Segretti, Lee Atwater, and, of course, Karl Rove, who very well may retain his role as a political puppetmaster even while he pontificates on Fox News.

What's more troubling is the possibility that these forces also are capable of more nefarious interference in the political process, using various exotic and powerful "instrumentation."

ARE THE McCAIN-PALIN CROWD AGITATORS THE SAME STORMTROOPERS WHO DO THIS:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens


WHAT IF McCAIN-PALIN'S STRATEGY IS AIMED NOT AT VOTERS, BUT AT THE APPARACHIK?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccain-palins-fellow-traveler-insinuations-what-if-u-s-security-forces-agree

OR members.nowpublic.com/scrivener


Posted by: scrivener50 | October 16, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"It's true -- there are more so-called christian terrorists. Timothy mcVeigh was a christian. The Ku Klux Klan calls itself a christian organization... Are all christians terrorists?"

The Black Liberation Trinity United calls itself a Christian church, too, even as they promote hatred of their fellow man and spout outright lies from the pulpit about the United States of America which gave them their very freedom of religion.

Barack Obama was inculcated in the faith at this Christian church, and his daughters were baptised there. Perhaps you should ask your candidate which part of the Gospel message he got from Father Pleger or Louis Farrakhan, two other celebrities of his church home for 20 years, drindl. Are they terrorists, too?

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | October 16, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Anything that McCain's campaign might try to do with regard to distancing him from Bush at this point is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

McCain is utterly and completely doomed. We all know this. He's behind by anywhere from 14-6 points, depending on what poll you look at. Most polls have had Obama over the 50% threshold for quite a while now. Obama dominates every single swing state and in fact redefines previously implausible red states as potential pick-ups on almost a weekly basis. He has out-raised and out-spent McCain by an astronomical margin. His ground game dwarfs that of McCain in terms of both size and sophistication. Obama owns one news cycle after another and makes approximately 1.5 gaffes per year.

I truly feel that we've gotten to where there's no longer any point in analyzing little things like how the campaigns spin a comment in a debate about McCain's relationship to George W. Bush. In a razor-thin election like 2000 or 2004, sure. But it's just laughable right now. McCain is ruined. It's like a car that has shot over the edge of a cliff and the driver is thinking about how he should check his tire pressure during the seconds before impact.

Posted by: JacksonLanders | October 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's see: McCain was for Bush ("I voted with the President over 90 percent of the time") before he was against him. He was for experience and against earmarks before he picked Sarah "Bridge to Nowhere" Palin as his running mate. He was for deregulation before he was for the bailout (GOP/Wall St. strategy: privatize profit and socialize risk). He didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia. He was for Joe the Plumber before he found out Joe is unlicensed. He got autism and Down syndrome confused in last night's debate.

The Republican party is a stinking, rotting carcass and McCain is its poster child.

Game, set, match.

GObama!

Posted by: spotfoul | October 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

MEMO TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS:

Now is not the time to gloat. You haven't won anything yet.

However!

Now is definitely the time to point out polly-anna, whining, childish posts by wackos and laugh at them.

LOL!

"...that Arab..." <- Dismissively point out how ignorant this is. Ignorance is not a path to greatness. To the KKK maybe. But greatness? No.

"...palling around ..." <- wow. Is that the best you got? The right loathes Ayers. The middle is ambivalent - they care about jobs. This election is going to be won and lost in the middle. And you keep bringing up Ayers? ??

"...Joe the plumber..." This is a valid issue. Taxes going up is a terrible thing. But look at a graph that shows how many people make $250,000.00 a year. How many of us would trade positions? Yeah, I thought so. Ideally, once the economy is on better footing, the pendulum will swing back the other way to give incentive to business development.

"...celeb..." <- this criticism looks hilariously infantile right now, doesn't it?

But Obama supporters, remember this:
Obama first became popular because he said there is not a Red America and a Blue America. No. There is the United States of America.

This is a time for us to come together, to discuss our positions. To have open, honest debate. And after the election, be it McCain or Obama, for us to
A) continue to advocate for our positions, but mostly
B) to give the guy who gets picked a chance to make the lot of the nation better.

Abraham Lincoln said very pointedly for the Northern troops not to celebrate too exuberantly in the face of the Southerners. "Remember, they are our bretheren again."

So when a wacko posts some ridiculous, trolling post, I urge you to:
A) LOL
B) call it out as silly/laughable/infantile/whiny/immature as appropriate (AND JOE THE PLUMBER IS NONE OF THESE)
C) Emulate your leader and move on magnanimously.

Posted by: SonOfHistoryTeacher | October 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

so it seems the gauntlet is thrown down. the polls indicate that Mccain has an uphill climb, if they are to be believed (historically, they overrepresent the Dems strength - see coulter today). In this anti-bush enviro, it is surprising that the messiah is not already in office. why can't he close the deal?

Because fast talking salesmen are interesting to americans and they often buy vacuum cleaners from door-to-door sharpies. but after some reflection, the thinking ones understand there is a better deal if you shop around.

Dems and especially Liberals are like little kids at Christmas time - hoping that Santa claus will bring them some shiny boxes full of goodies. Saint Obama has essentially promised this to the voters looking for a handout. He can't cut a thing in his world. 18 billion in earmarks is not much money but 18 million in cuts is substantial. Line item vetos are what Senators can do, not Presidents.

After christmas is over and the older kids realize that Santa claus is not real, the boxes wil reveal the emptiness of Liberal campaign promises and the shiny packaging of the unqualified candidate will emerge. too late for the adults who had to pay for all the gifts. they will be crying over their credit card balances and empty bank accounts.

empty promises, empty bank accounts. the Lib future.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Last nights debate showed that Obama really has a glass chin and scares me as a potential leader of this country. Now I understand there are video games for kids about Obama. Shades of Nazi Germany and the old Soviet Union. Wake up America this is how these countries got themselves in trouble,following a charismatic pitch man.

Posted by: musing | October 16, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"I am not George Bush" = "I am not a crook"

Posted by: bsb37 | October 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

As a former fighter pilot in the United States Air Force, and as a contemporary of Senator John McCain, I can tell you that Senator Obama absolutely did the right thing by not stooping to John McCain's level.

In the military, I learned that you cannot demand respect. You earn it by being calm, rational, intelligent, and self confident. Senator Obama was all of that tonight.

Senator McCain came off as agitated, irritable, angry, and often confused. He is the last person that I would have wanted as either a flight leader or a wing man- and I surely don't want him as President.

We do not need a President who tries to "win" by attacking their opponents. We want a President who leads by example, respects others who differ from themselves, is calm, deliberate, and rational. Senator McCain is none of those things, and never has been.

Senator Obama showed all the Presidential qualities our country so desperately needs. He shows respect for others and respect for himself. He will make a great President.


Vietnam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Do you want a leader who is somehow better than the collective integrity of the populace?
Will not happen, friend.

Do you speed, just a bit? Roll stop signs, when it is convenient?
Grasp for more than you really deserve under the logic that "if I don't, someone else will"?
Perhaps you realize that your children observe this behavior, perhaps not.
Perhaps when you stare at the flat screen after work while exhorting your children to read a book, a thought occurs to you: who built the infrastructure, who's actual labor gave us the American dream?

What this country needs right now is you; you, thats right, you who is reading this post; you: acting as a responsible, caring adult.
You rising up and being better than they who would lead you.

Other than that, a nation will allow themselves to be governed by who they think they deserve.

Posted by: stmc | October 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk - Under the comedy section, today, it now turns out that McCain's "Joe The Plumber" is **unlicensed** and McCain's sticking him front and center in his campaign has gotten Joe into a lot of hot water.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 16, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"The Washington Post, the hero of the Pentagon Papers, should oppose these efforts of the Obama campaign and make a public statement on this extremely important issue."

That was the NY Times that broke the Pentagon Papers, genius.

Hey Chris - maybe McCain meant he wasn't George H.W. Bush, and not George W. Bush.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Political Jujitsu

Obama have left Mccain in a worst tizzy than he was at first. What can I say, McCain asked for it and it wasn't toyota. He brought it on himself. McCain deliberately catered and targeted so much negativity towards Obama, yet Obama disregarded out of respect such misfits of attributes and continually focused on the real problems instead of engaging in more problems from McCain. Wise judgement, that's why Obama is tops and McCain is still swaddling in his own mess trying to reach the top.

Posted by: Nisey01 | October 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Your constant stream of lies and paranoia is disturbing to rational people.

Posted by: drindl


dribble, do you know any rational people, because otherwise, you shouldn't speak for them.

now lies and paranoia is OK, you being the expert in that domain.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

--" pro36 is a republican, ergo he likes sex with young boys.

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 16, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse "--

Humm are you sure?? I've found that you can usually tell Republican's by their slime. Has he been sliming lately?

Posted by: DonJasper | October 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

pro 36 is a Nazi sympathizer who loves getting probed (up in his anus).

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

--"I am having second thoughts
about the MORE government candidate,

Posted by: USA3 | October 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse "--

Wait Wait let me guess. McCain wants to spend 300 BILLION dollars to lower irresponsible people’s mortgage payment. McCain wants to legislate what goes on in a woman’s uterus.

Hummm this is tough. Right now the government is spending 700 BILLION dollars purchasing the bottom feeders of Wall Street.

Ok, I give up. Who is the ‘more government’ candidate.

PS – The ‘Republican as libertarian’ myth died sometime during the first six years of the Bush presidency. Some people think it died when they broke the record for deficient spending the second time, but I think it lived on until the fourth.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

It's true -- there are more so-called christian terrorists. Timothy mcVeigh was a christian. The Ku Klux Klan calls itself a christian organization. Lynch mobs were all christians -- sometimes they'd have a lynching after church.

So are all christians terrorists?

Posted by: drindl | October 16, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

pro36 is a republican, ergo he likes sex with young boys.


Posted by: sobugged1 | October 16, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Political Jujitsu


OBAMA...OBAMA...OBAMA...OBAMA...OBAMA...OBAMA...OBAMA!

Posted by: Nisey01 | October 16, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

37&0, Several of us, who are just posters and not affiliated with Obama -- have reported you as abusive. Because you are. Your constant stream of lies and paranoia is disturbing to rational people.

Posted by: drindl | October 16, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Liberals dont lie to us.Everybody knew by now that Obama is the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?"
Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse
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It's interesting the only one who hangs around with communists is John Mccain. I guess because he had to deal with old demons he has become friends with communists who were his captors when he was a POW as well as many others. In viet nam they even have a display dedicated to John Mccain. He has visited with them many times and they have come to the US and stayed at his ranch. Now, does any of us in our wildest dreams think John Mccain is a communist? Of course not, but using Mccains logic and guilt by association he would have to step down from the race today.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 16, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Political Jujitsu

Obama is the best elect. McCain finds it a hard pill to swallow, drink more kool-aide, and don't drink the berry bush flavor!

Posted by: Nisey01 | October 16, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Last night's debate was not a major turning point for McCain. He faded dramatically at the end. His fate was sealed weeks ago and all polls show Obama won comfortably. Obama is clever to take McCain's words and use them against him...

Posted by: RickJ | October 16, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain really wanted to repudiate George W. Bush, HE should have run against him four years ago. He didn't. Instead, as he said himself in Obama's ad, he voted WITH Bush 90% of the time, "more than many of my Republican colleagues."

Ouch.

Game, set, match--Obama, our next President.

Posted by: abbeywood | October 16, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

37th and O:

The guidelines for these message boards prohibit any content that:

- infringes upon or violates the copyrights, trademarks or other intellectual property rights of any person

- is libelous or defamatory

- is obscene, pornographic, or sexually explicit

- violates a person's right to privacy
violates any local, state, national, or international law

- contains or advocates illegal or violent acts

- degrades others on the basis of gender, race, class, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual preference, disability, or other classification

- is predatory, hateful, or intended to intimidate or harass

- contains advertising or solicitation of any kind

- misrepresents your identity or affiliation

- impersonates others

You are in violation of at least two of those. Specifically, the provisions against libel and defamation (claiming that Barack Obama is where he is soley as a result affirmative action with nothing that remotely qualifies as evidence), and against solicitation (your constant stream of advertising your blog on Myspace).

Others have been guilty of various violations of the rules as well. But, if you're bent because someone has reported you on this board, then I suggest you read the rules sometime.

Posted by: cam8 | October 16, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse


Obama's campaign is ACTIVELY SEEKING TO LIMIT FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
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Posted by: 37thandOSt
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I thought using LSD was illegal?

Posted by: edlharris | October 16, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I watched the PBS broadcast last night, so I missed all of those split screen gems. What a shame!

Posted by: JohninMpls | October 16, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

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Chris:

The Washington Post should do something about the abuse of the "report abuse" feature.

The Obama campaign is clearly placing complaints BASED ON THE CONTENT OF ONE'S VIEWS AND NOT ACTUAL INFRACTIONS.


In fact the Obama campaign is asking other posters to place complaints based on the views of the poster.


Obama's campaign is ACTIVELY SEEKING TO LIMIT FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


The Washington Post, the hero of the Pentagon Papers, should oppose these efforts of the Obama campaign and make a public statement on this extremely important issue.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 16, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

--" OUCH! "--

Sure politicians pander. They're professionals. But McCains pandering was way over the top. His answer to one question - I think is was the 'What would you cut' - started with the freeze government spending, and ended with increasing funding for autism. I've felt for some time that McCain would say or do anything to win the election - so no his four words didn't sway me much.

After having slept on it - Who the h*ll is Joe-the-plumber and why do I care what he thinks?

Give the HUNDEREDS of BILLIONS of dollars the US Government is spending to buy banks that can't manage money - all this dribble about 'government spending' rings rather hollow. McCain's own proposal has a price tag of what? 300 BILLION. I guess it's only government spending when the other guy does it.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 16, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Saying once that he's not GWB, while 90% of the time tauting/voting with GWB does not a convincing argument make.

McThuselah must say that he's faught against his party, because his party is the GOP, but he's still got an 'R' after his name. McThuselah's claim that Obama hasn't bucked his party doesn't matter, because the voters think the Democratic Party has many of the answers to today's problems.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | October 16, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

To pro36
It is interesting and sad to hear people are convinced if you are Muslim you are a terrorist. It would be the same as labeling all Christians terrorists because some of them take their war to Planned Parenthood or clinics and shoot doctors. That is domestic terrorism. Why don't you become educated about other faiths before you condemn them out of hand.
Obama has said he isn't a Muslim but my question is this, why does he have to defend his fatih when we have Christian terrorists among us? My biggest fear and that of others is that one of these Christian terrorists is going to do harm to Obama if he gets elected.
It doesn't feel good to be called a terroist if you are Christian does it.
Think before you denounce a religion based on your own narrow mind.
I am a Christian and would vote for Obama no matter what religion he is.

Posted by: susan26 | October 16, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

New national poll:Obama50% McCain 46%.Do u see the trend.

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Low low liberals dont lie to the people of this great country.You are the Cowards same like your Obama.Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

a tax cut for 95% of working americans,
that is so funny....
national health care, but if you have
good health care now, nothing will change
HOW IS HE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS????

taxes taxes taxes

taxes taxes taxes

if you make more then $42K
prepare to be shocked and awed
at how poor you are about to become.

NO OSAMA AN BIDEN

Posted by: USA3 | October 16, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Side by side tape of a politician saying opposite things is very effective. It will work because, aside from a rare (and in some cases very important) issue, McCain has bought the Bush version of Republicanism.

What a comparison last night between politics as usual and politics as a way to govern. Obama never took the bait. When McCain ran through his list of why Biden was 'wrong' on foreign policy, Obama could have attacked McCain for voting for the invasion of Iraq but instead kept the focus on how we can solve the big problems in America, together. Class act.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 16, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Liberals dont lie to us.Everybody knew by now that Obama is the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?"

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Mc Cain, was stong in this debate. They say Obama was steady ...Well I do not think so he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar on the Ayers topic and did not say the truth. He lied to all the public. He is involved with Ayers and another crooked voteing outfit. I do not feel he is Honest. Not a man I would want as President. Obama cannot comprehend he is running against Mc Cain not Bush.... Obama is out of touch if you ask me. Mc Cain got him. Vote Mc Cain!!

Posted by: Barrack_007 | October 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Dear drindl ,

I would agree that Pro36 is not a rocket scientist. Even we have a few of them out there....He is no help to anyone with statements like that. Obama isn't a Muslim or a terrorists. He wants the best for the country but has a differnt view on how to get there. In my opinion a very radical one but he has the best of intentions.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama's got the money to clobber McCain with McCain's own words; I think McCain will regret ever having uttered them.

McCain will also regret having run the "Joe the Plumber" gambit, because Joe can only be helped by Obama's tax plan if he is making less than a quarter of a million dollars, and if he's making more -- then why the devil does he need a tax cut from McCain (and why is he charging me a $400 house call just to unplug my toilet?)

Posted by: Stonecreek | October 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of John Kerry's "Before it before he was against it" bit.

Look Sen. McCain, the fact is you were a maverick and respected in 2000, then you decided that you would adopt the Republican line to win the ascendancy to the nomination. You sold out son, and you admitted as much on The Daily Show.

Those are your words. It is your voting record.

It is true that you are not Bush. You don't have the stomach for the Rove playbook, bet you wish you would have thought about that before you decided to switch your legislative philosophy to align yourself with the current President.

Posted by: brianiwakiri | October 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

obama is up 14% and the markets are
sliding, not a good omen.
I am having second thoughts
about the MORE government candidate,
clinton was very pro business,
obama is scaring the living heck
out of business's.
I will vote straight Republican
and then enjoy my four years
of the blame game.
get my OBAMA IS A JOKE
WHY IS NO ONE LAUGHING?
t-shirt.

NOBAMA

Posted by: USA3 | October 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The Fix goes hyperbolic again...
"Last night's debate was a major step in the right direction in that regard for McCain."

It was an attempt to step in that direction. It is less clear that he succeeded in stepping onto firm ground in the direction in which he wants to go.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"Will it work?"

No.

Posted by: robinlandseadel | October 16, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Excellent ad! Last night, when I heard the line I thought it was an effective debate tactic. However, the bottom line is McCain's positions on most major policies are identical to Dubya's. So, yes, Obama has once again outsmarted McCain and this ad will work in continuing to tie McCain to Bush.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!

Posted by: DinahS | October 16, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain's few "maverick" (I've grown to really HATE that word!) acts have been admirable, but here in AZ we know the truth, that McCain is primarily a radical-right Bush conservative who nearly always favors deregulation, mean social policy, giving all the tax breaks to businesses and supporting corporations who take their action and jobs offshore, etc. etc. Saying he's not Bush merely means his DNA is separate from W's. But his policies are nearly always the same, and that won't change.

Again, even now, in the face of this meltdown, he's STILL talking about giving big tax breaks to big business and ignoring us! He can't stop being (like) Bush. And he said in the debate that if some other country's taxes are lower than ours, "they're going to go there." Obama has a different idea: reward the ones who stay here with tax breaks. That keeps the companies here, leaves their taxes here, and provides Americans with jobs. Duh.

Posted by: yogi11 | October 16, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama has spent more money on his campaign than anyone is hisstory. The left wing wackjobs in Hollywood and the media are making it even easier for him.

The fact that he bought up 30 minute blocks on every network and is delaying the World Series is stunning. It is a shame baseball is involved with politics.

Obama stated he would take public funding and LIED about it. He is not the savior or Messiah or whatever you call him. He is a Marxist plain and simple. Wake up and see him for what he really is.

McCain isn't the strongest candidate the GOP has run. No one argues that point. But, he is better than a Marxist any day

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Low liberal entiteis-Obama is the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama and ACRON?Yea the criminal is controling the criminals

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

pro36. Well I give you the prize. You are probably the dumbest rightwinger on here.

Posted by: drindl | October 16, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

With 19 days to go, Obama has hit his full stride.

This ad is brilliant, and cutting, because it uses McCain's own words against him.

McCain can run from his record of supporting Bush, but he can't hide.

Amd this ad shines a bright light on just how cozy Bush and McCain have been.

Posted by: mathas | October 16, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please explain the difference between Autism and Down Syndrome to Senator McCain before he refines his health care program ?

Posted by: rixxk | October 16, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Low liberal entiteis-Obama is the muslim communist with the communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: pro36 | October 16, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

That is a brilliant ad put out by the Obama campaign. Although I believe that Obama is at his best when the campaign remains positive, I think this ad does a great job of tying McCain to Bush.

Posted by: ek1029 | October 16, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

You've got to give it to Obama. He's no Michael Dukakis or John Kerry. He has learned the lessons of failed democratic nominees well and he will continue to make his case that McCain really is not that different from Bush. What will ultimately lead him to the White House, however, is not Bush fatigue (although that's part of it)but rather the hunger for something new.

Posted by: billbolducinmaine | October 16, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

It strikes me as about right to say that McCain agrees with Bush about 90% of the time. Unless the 10% of policy on which they disagree is extraordinarily important in comparison to their areas of agreement, McCain's need to refute the "McCain=Bush" perception is a need to make a largely false assertion.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 16, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

McNASTY LOSES SKIRMISH, BUT WAR ON THE COOL ONE SLOGS ON

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mcnasty-loses-debate-skirmish-war-cool-one-slogs

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 16, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Considering that Obama has the wherewithal to make sure everyone sees this ad, I expect it'll be effective in heading McCain off...if anyone even believed his assertion.

Posted by: ShorinBJ | October 16, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Nope, won't work. Obama was ready with a true come back that hit home. McCain isn't Bush, BUT he promotes the same failed economic policies. That one hit home and defused the effectiveness of that "I am not Bush" statement.

McCain cannot separate himself if he proposes to increase spending and cut taxes further. This just shows he isn't a conservative anymore and has joined the Neocons.

Posted by: mbshults | October 16, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

McCain can't, and shouldn't be able to, escape Bush's shadow. He threw his lot in with him after 2000 and especially in the 2004 election.

Posted by: steveh46 | October 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.
IT ISN'T RUNNING ON YOUTUBE LIKE MOST OF MCCAINS AD'S.

MCCAIN IS LUCKEY ANYONE EVEN SEE ANY OF HIS AD'S UNLESS THEY GET SOME PLAY ON A NEWS PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTRAGEOUS IN SOME WAY. I THINK THEY MAY BE SOME OF THE THINKING WITH MCCAINS PEOPLE SO THEY CAN GET FREE PLAY. MCCAIN HAS REWRITTEN THE BOOK ON RUNNING A BAD CAMPAIGN.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

McCain reminds me of Bush every time he speaks with his artificial drama, drama, drama. They both make me feel like a scolded student being lectured to by the prinicipal. After 8 years of Bush coming to the podium trying to make us believe in him and his judgments (and how wrong so many of them have been!), I seriously don't think I can take 4 more years of it. I am an adult and appreciate being treated as one, even by the President.

Posted by: treetracker | October 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Why would anyone believe that McCain would be any different than Bush? His policies and indeed, even his advisors, are exactly the same -- identical.

Posted by: drindl | October 16, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

JOhn McCain rolled his eyes, raised his hands, and took shots of sarcasm at Obama. Did we just witness the strategy McCain will employ as President when dealing with other World Leaders?. .....................
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/16/note-to-mccain-sarcasm-is-toxic/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 16, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

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