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Obama Turns to the General Election

Although Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) continues to insist that his race against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) is not yet over, his travel schedule over the next two weeks suggests that his campaign is already in the process of pivoting toward the general election.

Obama will spend tomorrow in Cape Girardeau, Missouri -- a key outpost in the more rural, Republican southeastern corner of the state -- before making two stops in Michigan on Wednesday. This coming weekend he will return to the primary trail with stops in South Dakota, which votes on June 3, and Oregon, which will hold its primary on May 20. (Obama, who is in West Virginia today, will not return before that state's primary tomorrow -- perhaps a wise move given that new poll shows him trailing Clinton by 36 points.)

His schedule the following week includes a three day swing through Florida with stops scheduled in Tampa, Orlando, Palm Beach County and Miami -- a series of visits that will include not just fundraising but also campaign events, according to his staff.

"Our schedule reflects the fact that we are still fighting for votes and delegates in the remaining contests but also that we are going to places that are going to be competitive in the fall," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

Stops in Missouri, Michigan and Florida even as the nomination fight continues are sure signs that Obama is already moving beyond the race with Clinton and beginning to try to set the playing field for his general election fight against Sen. John McCain.

Two of the three states made the most recent Fix Line ranking those most likely to reverse their result from the 2004 presidential election -- Michigan came in at #8 while Florida was #10. With Obama emerging as the presumptive nominee, Missouri could make its way on to the next Line given Obama's strong showing in the state during the primary and his status as a next door neighbor.

As the Post's Peter Slevin noted, Obama may well have work to do in Michigan and Florida to repair damage down by a primary process that sought to marginalize the two states. Both Michigan and Florida were punished by the Democratic National Committee for moving their primaries too far forward in the nomination fight. As a result, the state's delegates remain in limbo and some -- especially the party activists -- are unhappy about the treatment they have received from the national party.

What's clear is that Obama's campaign is now spending far more time positioning their candidate for the general election than worrying about whether or not he will be the nominee. That shift in focus is born of necessity; McCain secured his party's nod in mid-February and since then has been touring the country in an attempt to dictate the states that will comprise the playing field in the fall. Obama wants to make sure he levels that playing field and perhaps even expands the map beyond what most party strategists believe will be the 12 (or so) competitive states.

A look at the travel schedules of the two likely nominees suggest a few states where each will seek to expand the map. For McCain, that's Pennsylvania, Michigan, and New Hampshire. For Obama, it's Florida, Ohio, Colorado and Missouri.

Which candidate fights this fall on his opponent's home turf will be a telling sign of where the election is headed. Is McCain forced to spend time and money defending an expensive state like Florida? Can Obama solve his potential problems in Pennsylvania between now and November? The answers to those questions may well signal the ultimate election result.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 12, 2008; 1:55 PM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008  
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Take a look at the picture of Barack Obama and sen. Edwards on CNN, "Political ticker" today "Edwards to endorse Obama".
Obamas chin is far too high and his eyes are looking down at you. The matter of fact is that his pose is very affected and that he looks like as if a dictator is being born at this very moment. I am sure that the American economy is going to be a disaster for years to come as well as the wars in Middle East. The hope is leaving USA and Russia, China and Iran are taking over.

Posted by: Silvester | May 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The rude bullying comments of those spellbound Obama supporters is part of the reason why so many Dems will not vote for Obama. We will be writing in Hillary Clintons name on the ballot if she is not the nominee...and McCain will be you next President, not the racist, arrogant, inexperienced guy you attempted to put in office.

Posted by: Nexxus7 | May 13, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

What is all this talk about, the Obama campaign may pay off Hillary's debt.

The only thing we are going to pay Hillary is that we are going to pay her NO mind! LOL!!!!!!

Posted by: misshoney | May 13, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will be a GREAT BIG winner in WV, but sorry folks, she's also a GREAT BIG loser as the Democratic nominee!

Don't cry, dry your eyes! Then get on board the OBAMA plane, it's taken off with or without you!

Posted by: misshoney | May 13, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If Barack Obama gets his way, the Oxford English Dictionary will have updated its definition of "distraction" by the end of the campaign: "Diversion of the mind, attention, etc., from any object or course that tends to advance the political interests of Barack Obama."

Posted by: Rich L | May 13, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If Barack Obama gets his way, the Oxford English Dictionary will have updated its definition of "distraction" by the end of the campaign: "Diversion of the mind, attention, etc., from any object or course that tends to advance the political interests of Barack Obama."

Posted by: Rich L | May 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"The notion that Obama has a problem with a certain segment of democratic voters is one of the great logical fallacies perpetrated and perpetuated by the media. The voters by and large who are voting in the democratic primaries are democrats or independents or disenchanted republicans who will support the Democratic nominee - whoever he or she may be."

No, this is a fair criticism of Obama. He hasn't been able to get these voters at least in the primary. Its kind of presumptuous to assume they will end up supporing him in the general election. One of the nice things about this prolonged contest is that Obama is now acutely aware of this demographic weakness and even with Indiana has started working on it. Hopefully he can continue to make some inroads.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 13, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama - no relevantexperience, no understanding of what Americans want, no sensitivity to ethnic groups except his own, ignorance of foreign and domestic policy.
McCain - sucked into the faux patriotic ideology of the GW Bush crowd, tied to unworkable failed Republican policies, abandoned the "straight talk express".

Two very flawed candidates and one big loser - the American people.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | May 13, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I am from Turkey and I am shocked by the comments on this blog. Doesn't the newspaper have a right to scan and omit the most ridiculous and obnoxious ones?
This is not politics and free speech. This is madness. I have very little respect for U.S. media but, even then, there should be a line drawn for decency.

Posted by: anil | May 13, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The notion that Obama has a problem with a certain segment of democratic voters is one of the great logical fallacies perpetrated and perpetuated by the media. The voters by and large who are voting in the democratic primaries are democrats or independents or disenchanted republicans who will support the Democratic nominee - whoever he or she may be. The media is taking this subset of voters and extrapolating their voting patterns to the general election which does not make any sense. These are democratic voters (for the most part). While a certain segment of this electorate may prefer Clinton over Obama or vice-versa, to make an broad, unsupported assumption that a certain group or demographic of voters does not support Obama because they have a preference for Clinton is erroneous. Certainly there are some Clinton voters who will vote for McCain in the general (and Obama voters who would vote for McCain over Clinton if she were to the be nominee). But to conclude that the white, blue collar voters who support Clinton do not also, and will not also, support Obama come the general is to make a leap of logic that is unsupportable. Its about degrees of preference.

Posted by: Rando | May 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Just found an inspirational song from a country musician that should really help Obama make the red states blue in November:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQdxHaqGPJg

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I continue to hear: "We don't know enough about Obama". I wonder how many who utter thes words have read his book THE AUDACITY OF HOPE in which we learn a great deal about him? I had the privilege of travelling to Cuba with a group of retired and active clergy a year or so ago. One of the gentlemen was a retired cleric/lawyer. He had had the privilege of working with Obama, who was in the Illinois Senate at the time along with a Republican colleague. He spent many hours developing a law against red lining by banks and mortgage institutions which kept minorities from obtaining various properties. When I asked him about Obama he said he was a man of absolute integrity and trustworthiness. When we learn, as has been the case of any who have cared to listen to his speeches, about his work on the streets of Chicago and his committment to the Constitution (a thing which we have seen shredded and trashed by this adminsitration), we can know a great deal about Obama. For one thing, and a very important thing, we can trust that when he has the oportunity of nominating people to the Supreme Court, the nominations will reflect that integrity and dedication to the Constitution. We will have people on the Court who will respect civil liberties which we are seeing diminished increasingly under the Bush appointees. The country will be in good hands under Obama's leadership. He will try to connect with enemies rather than trying to isolate, a practice which has failed to advance our standing in the world community one iota in the last 7 years. I'm ready for a change and I believe the kind of change Obama will initiate is exactly what we need. Howard Beardslee

Posted by: Howard Beardslee | May 13, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'll say it until it's born out on election day...

Barack Obama = Ned Lamont
Barack Obama = Ned Lamont
Barack Obama = Ned Lamont

The anti-war movement has pushed this extremely left-wing, charismatic candidate over the top for the nomination and he'll get creamed in the general by the moderate/maverick (John McCain = Joe Lieberman, in this analogy).

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Awww, Republicans are sooo sad. They don't like being called a racist. Stop supporting racist policies, then labeling it "wasteful spending." How shallow, and evasive is that? Republicans are such crybabies. Obama made a misstatement. Yeah, that's what I need to worry about. Keep fighting terror in Arabia, and I guess you'll let us know when you think you see victory. Comfortable Republicans have no policies to offer, so they cry because they don't like hearing that they're race-baiting. It's just too much for them. It spoils the integrity the already ruined for themselves. Karl Rove tonight on Hannity & Colmes was so patronizing. He might be politically savvy, but if my children ever aspired to be an apologist for the greedy rich 5% of this country, I'd felt I'd failed them. You really think this war is a good idea? Honestly? Gasoline was $1.50/a gallon when Clinton left office. Now it's approaching $4/a gallon. I thought the President who doesn't like nation-building said the war would pay for itself with the oil. Ohhh, I see, removing Saddam Hussein was an effort to appease, to mollify the Saudi oil tycoons. And John McCain & the RNC want me to shut up! they'll thell me when they see victory. Yeah, they'll see victory when you and I see John McCain explain how well Reagan-Bush economics have been for America these past eight years.

NYC Secession 2010

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edy | May 13, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to wrap this up before huntin' season, the wabbits are waitin'.

Posted by: hammerdown | May 13, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

AGE DISCRIMINATION

AMERICAS DIRTY SECRET

39% of Americans Will Not Vote For Canidate OVER 72

and some thought we were racist 12% and feminist 14%

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I hope Obama can find someone like Joe Lieberman to fix his mis-statements like Joe does for John McCain.

Will Lieberman be shouting answers in the debates too?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

DDavid,

No, they prove that Obama's a racist.

Your comment proves that your an idiot.

Posted by: Obama's the racist, not me | May 13, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

I think critical thinking makes em all stronger even the old guy with the bad temper

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

"Through his own words, writing, and history of going to a racist, anti-white, anti-semitic, "Black Liberation Theology" church for 20 years and choosing its racist pastor as his spiritual advisor, Obama's changed from Huey Lewis to Huey Newton.

One more Freudian slip and he'll be Malcom X."

I'll go ahead and say it. The person who posted this is a racist.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 13, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse


WRONG DIRECTION USA 82%
Right Direction 16% (Record Low)
Presidential Aproval 31% NEW LOW record on some polls

Party Affiliation
DEMS 53%
GOP 32%

14,000,0000 new dems NET +12,000,000 Dems

GOP -2,000,000 since 2004

Americans Race - SEX - AGE Acceptance Level President

Women President 86% american accept

Black President 88% american accept

Over 72 President 61% american accept

Posted by: DEMS RULE | May 13, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are way too arrogant, way too greedy and way too out of touch with reality.

All of us were excited about electing a Black President.

When Colin Powell looked like he was going to run, I and every other Democrat I know was looking forward to voting for him, even though he was a Republicaan.

Colin Powell had a tremendous amount of experience in both the military and the government.

Powell was a little like a Black "Ike" just like Ike had won WWII, Powell had won the first gulf war.

Colin Powell's color was a non-issue.

If he was white we would have wanted him just as much.

The fact that he was Black was a plus, but it wasn't needed to make him viable.

Barry Obama is no Colin Powell.

Obama's only "special feature" was that he was Black.

Besides that he was totally unimpressive.

If Obama wasn't Black, none of us would have considered him for a nanosecond.

Obama's only had 1.5 years in the Senate before he started running for the whitehouse.

He doesn't have any other management or military experience.

He's ultra far-left.

Obama presented himself as "post racial" but he lied to us.

Through his own words, writing, and history of going to a racist, anti-white, anti-semitic, "Black Liberation Theology" church for 20 years and choosing its racist pastor as his spiritual advisor, Obama's changed from Huey Lewis to Huey Newton.

One more Freudian slip and he'll be Malcom X.

Then we found out about the cocaine.

He didn't just try it, he used it over and over.

It wasn't just a rumor.

He bragged about it in his book.

Then he blocked the votes of Florida and Michigan.

Then there was Obama's comment about "typical white people"

Then there was Obama's comment about poor people "clinging to guns and religion"

Then Obama lost every debate.

Then there's Rezko.

Then there's "Obama's Slums"

Then there's the repeated lying and the constantly changing stories and changing from supporting Rev Wright to throwing him under the nearest Bus.

Obama's completely and totally unelectable.

If Bush himself was running, he'd beat Obama.

If we nominate Obama we lose.

Posted by: Obama and his supporters are way to arrogant | May 13, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Hillary for VP

or maybe Webb

I am not to sure who else makes sense.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Trollin trollin trollin
Trollin trollin trollin
Trollin trollin trollin
Trollin trollin trollin

Trollin trollin trollin
Though the polls are blowin
Keep them puppets trollin
Thickhide
Brainless wind and blather
'Hillary for ever'
Wishing my girl was ratified
All the things I'm sayin
And all the crap I'm sprayin
Make more and more people mortified

Line em up (rat em out)
Rat em out (line em up)
Slag em off (slag em off)
Thickhide
Cut em up (spin em in)
Spin em in (cut em up)
Cut em down (slag em off)
Thickhide

Keep movin movin movin
Though their disapprovin
Keep the bull**it flowin
Thickhide
Don't try to understand them
Just rope, throw and brand them
Soon well be living high and wide
My hearts miscalculating
My true love will be waiting
Be waiting at the end of my ride

Line em up (rat em out)
Rat em out (line em up)
Slag em off (slag em off)
Thickhide
Cut em up (spin em in)
Spin em in (cut em up)
Cut em down (slag em off)
Thickhide
Yah!
Line em up (rat em out)
Rat em out (line em up)
Slag em off (slag em off)
Thickhide
Cut em up (spin em in)
Spin em in (cut em up)
Cut em down (slag em off)
Thickhide
etc etc

Posted by: (sorry rawhide lovers) | May 13, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Americans worry more about a very old president than a women or black president

isn't that special

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I admire the tenacity and passion of some of the Hillary supporters , but seriously some of you all need to take a great big chill pill. So you say you'll vote for McCain ? Okay well 2 years from now when he replaces two liberal judges on the supreme court and overturns Roe what will you say then ? What about when Iraq becomes such a disaster under McCain that we have to restart the draft just to keep the place from turning into WW3 . What will you say then ? It was worth it because if Hillary can't be president no one can ? Give.Me.A.Break

Posted by: Joe Don | May 13, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

NEW STATS

Women President 86% ok with
Black President 88% ok with
Over 72 President 61% ok with

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

NEW DEMS STATS

Very Exciting
WRONG DIRECTION USA 82%
DEMS 53%
GOP 32%

14,000,0000 new dems NET +12,000,000 GOP -2,000,000 since 2004

LOOKING GOOD DEMS

GO OBAMA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Would that be the Omar or Bill Bradley effect?

Posted by: Mr. Question | May 13, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Will the Bradley effect be less since Obama is half white?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Elections and Sports

Americans Great Legal

Regional Hate Fests

GO USA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Hamptons Presidential Second Home

Elite NY Advisors

LOVE SHACK Rock and Roll

Go HILLARY

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Floridian and Florida doesn't want Obama here. He didn't want us in the primaries so why does he want us now! Go away Obama. Go back to Chicago with your dirty politics.

Posted by: Mary | May 12, 2008 11:35 PM
----------------------------------------
Don't blame Obama! He didn't make the rules, the DNC did, and Obama just followed the rules which Clinton wants to change, now that she's LOSING. If you Floridians had been paying attention, you would have raised a big stink when your governor moved the primary dates ahead of the date that THE DNC SAID WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF PARTY RULES. Good grief! You people with your butterfly ballots better get your act together. SHEESH!

Posted by: Joyce | May 12, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

FEMINIST FRIENDS

LIBERAL SUPREME COURT NOMINEES

a small nuke or two for dropped on Iran

go HILLARY

Posted by: Planed Parenthood | May 12, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

FROM NY ITS HILLARY CLINTON

STEM CELL RESEARCH

WOMENS RIGHTS

WORKERS RIGHTS

Posted by: Planed Parenthood | May 12, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Pledged Delegates:
Obama 1591
Clinton 1426

Super Delegates:
Obama 279
Clinton: 272

You can argue with the facts, but it won't change them.

Posted by: Jim | May 12, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

VOTE FOr HILLARY

OUR NY SENATOR


WOMENS RIGHTS WORKERS RIGHTS

STEM CELL RESEARCH

Posted by: Planed Parenthood | May 12, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama will win the general election and appoint Hiilary to the Supreme Court. Hillary better hope so because there is no way Hillary could win in 2012 she and Bill have gone to far and have turned so many people off I really doubt she could win the nomination next time around. Hillary is the past and people are looking towards the future.

Posted by: Bo | May 12, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Floridian and Florida doesn't want Obama here. He didn't want us in the primaries so why does he want us now! Go away Obama. Go back to Chicago with your dirty politics.

Posted by: Mary | May 12, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

There are no second chances for Democratic Presidential Candidates that lose.

If Obama's the nominee, he'll lose and he wont get a second chance in 2012.

Hillary will.

Think about it, Obama nuts.

Do you feel lucky?

Really, really, lucky?

Good.

Now here this.

There is no such thing as luck!!!

The problem with you kids is that you're too greedy.

If you had been willing to accept the VP slot, Obama would have been all set.

But he wanted the top to the ticket.

And that means that he will NEVER be President.

Sleep tight.

Dream of Obama being elected.

That's the closest he'll ever get.

Posted by: Obama's own words make him unelectable | May 12, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Time to take back the country from Republican rule. Relax Hillary Clinton supporters. You ran a good race and it was very close. I didn't support your candidate, but I would have if she had won the primary. She didn't, though it was very close. Do we want John McCain making Supreme Court appointments and decisions about whether to "bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb Iran?" I don't think so. Eight years of Bush was more than enough. Time to take back the White House.

Posted by: Chuck | May 12, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

ThePlanetFormerlyKnownAsEarth aka svreader in yet another of his ever-silly, double-spaced posts revealed to us mere mortals:

Obama supporters like to claim they know math.

Unfortuantely, they constantly confuse real and imaginary numbers.
.........

Whoah.

This guy's got God Himself on his cellphone, no doubt!

Posted by: binkynh | May 12, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Can the Washington Post PLEASE start moderating comments so those who want to discuss these issues don't have to sift through all of this nonsense? Thank you!

Posted by: Sally | May 12, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Here on the planet formerly known as earth we have a thing called "logic"

Unknown to residents of the planet called "Obama", logic enables us to make good decisions.

Obama supporters like to claim they know math.

Unfortuantely, they constantly confuse real and imaginary numbers.

Obama can only be elected in imaginary space.

Hillary can be elected in real space.

Obama supporters seem to believe that White people will vote for someone who is on record saying that he hates them.

The record is a thing called a "book" which was written by Obama.

More recent quotes from the man called Obama talk about "Typical white people"

And, Of course, Obama-man went to a "Black Liberation Theology" church for 20 years, and recordings of what went on in that church are available using an strange device called a "you tube"

Here on earth, we have analyzed all this information and have determined that given the number of white vs black people in America, Obama stands about as much chance of being elected as a snowball does of lasting a month on the surface of the sun.

The choice is simple.

Obama can have the nomination and be a candidate for a few months, but never be president.

Or We can Nominate Clinton/Obama, and have the whitehouse for the next 16 years.

Obama supporters don't have very good reasoning skills.

They're more into "faith" and "change"

That's too bad.

Sixteen years is a whole lot better than four months.

Its too bad Obama supporters never had the chance to visit earth.

Posted by: ThePlanetFormerlyKnownAsEarth | May 12, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

svreader mumbled:
what you are is what you do...


stupid is your normal behavior...
..............

Somebody give the boy the final beer that makes him sleep.

A little sleep is good sometimes.

Posted by: binkynh | May 12, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

this little punter...

he sees his nemisis everywhere.

to see himself so easily bested he has to give it the


face of his mother, which he projects on to all women...


.

Posted by: look at | May 12, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

looks like little pinkyah

was wounded in his little boyness...

you are really a stalwart supporter of the truth aren't you slimer???

foad shunt.


.

Posted by: oh | May 12, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

your name is death as a prisoner of the truth...

you shall live in a small room surrounded by little boys singing your praises with small silver ball peen hammers...


on your legitimacy...

you like others before you will come to represent all that was blasphemous and without merit and distilling wisdom with your


lasting dishonesty....

I crush you as easily as make a wincing grimace...


I have spit bigger problems than you into a kleenex...

.

Posted by: right... | May 12, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

"Words of Wisdom" no doubt otherwise-known-as svreader whined: It appears that the Obama people have really gone off the deep end tonight - Im not sure why - there is a difference between stating an opinion and nonsense.
........

WaPo ought to begin to insist upon registered screen names for forums such as this.

Posted by: binkynh | May 12, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

There's Nothing Obama Can Say To Get Back the White Vote.

His own mouth has done him in.

Obama supporters keep saying "do the math"

Ok, here's a math problem for the Obama supporters.

Which is greater, the number of Black Americans or the number of White Americans.

If there are more Black Americans, Obama wins.

If there are more White Americans, Obama loses.

Obama's the one who turned the race into one of Black vs. White.

Obama's own words about "Typical White People" and his 20 years of going to a "Blame Whitey" "Black Liberation Church" changed him from Huey Lewis to Huey Newton.

One more Freudian Slip and he'll morph himself in to Malcom X.

Obama's unelectable in a national election.

Its nobody's fault but his own.

If we nominate him, we lose by a landslide.

Wouldn't it be better to win instead by nominating Hillary?

Keep your eyes on the prize.

November means everything.

Coming in second doesn't mean squat in a two party contest.

Will Obama supporters be smart and mature enough to do the right thing.

My bet is that they won't be.

And that means that Democrats will lose.

Suprise me.

Do the smart thing.

Nominate Hillary Clinton.

Clinton/Obama.

Winning beats losing every time.

Posted by: There's Nothing Obama Can Say To Get Back the White Vote | May 12, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

what you are is what you do...


stupid is your normal behavior...

you're really too childish to have discourse with, and too gawdam stupid to actually get the tone of an article and tell the difference between svreader and me...

svreader is at your level...

Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi
Jordanian Painted As Foreign Threat To Iraq's Stability

By Thomas E. Rick,

Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 10, 2006; Page A01

The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The documents state that the U.S. campaign aims to turn Iraqis against Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, by playing on their perceived dislike of foreigners. U.S. authorities claim some success with that effort, noting that some tribal Iraqi insurgents have attacked Zarqawi loyalists.


'Leverage Xenophobia'
Two slides from a briefing prepared for Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, describe a U.S. military propaganda campaign that was intended to highlight the role of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist, in the Iraqi insurgency. By emphasizing his foreign origin, the "psychological operations" effort sought to play on a perceived Iraqi dislike of foreigners and so split the insurgency.

For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi's role in the insurgency. The documents explicitly list the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.

Some senior intelligence officers believe Zarqawi's role may have been overemphasized by the propaganda campaign, which has included leaflets, radio and television broadcasts, Internet postings and at least one leak to an American journalist. Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, they remain "a very small part of the actual numbers," Col. Derek Harvey, who served as a military intelligence officer in Iraq and then was one of the top officers handling Iraq intelligence issues on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told an Army meeting at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., last summer.

In a transcript of the meeting, Harvey said, "Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways."

"The long-term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but these former regime types and their friends," said Harvey, who did not return phone calls seeking comment on his remarks.

There has been a running argument among specialists in Iraq about how much significance to assign to Zarqawi, who spent seven years in prison in Jordan for attempting to overthrow the government there. After his release he spent time in Pakistan and Afghanistan before moving his base of operations to Iraq. He has been sentenced to death in absentia for planning the 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Jordan. U.S. authorities have said he is responsible for dozens of deaths in Iraq and have placed a $25 million bounty on his head.

Recently there have been unconfirmed reports of a possible rift between Zarqawi and the parent al-Qaeda organization that may have resulted in his being demoted or cut loose. Last week, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said that it was unclear what was happening between Zarqawi and al-Qaeda. "It may be that he's not being fired at all, but that he is being focused on the military side of the al-Qaeda effort and he's being asked to leave more of a political side possibly to others, because of some disagreements within al-Qaeda," he said.

The military's propaganda program largely has been aimed at Iraqis, but seems to have spilled over into the U.S. media. One briefing slide about U.S. "strategic communications" in Iraq, prepared for Army Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the top U.S. commander in Iraq, describes the "home audience" as one of six major targets of the American....


and so on.


doubt the Washington Post too???

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890.html

read it yourself, and search on the names and what happened to the people involved.


you owe it to yourself AMERICA !!!!


take down this house of CORRUPTION....jail them.


.

Posted by: pinkyah | May 12, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, one thing I've got to commend the nameless poster for is his unbelievably fast typing skill (or does he use dragonspeak).

Posted by: And the award goes to ... | May 12, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

The Houses of Bush, Sabah, and Maktoum

by Wayne Madsen

The Bush Crime Family's close business dealings with the royal houses of Kuwait (the Sabah family) and Dubai (the Maktoum family) either borders on or is treason according to information received from U.S. military and Persian Gulf sources by WMR.

The Bush Crime Family: Texas Yankees in the Gulf Emirs' courts: Dubya, Poppy, Neil, Marvin, and Jeb

The Sabah family and their business cohorts are reportedly skimming hundreds of millions of dollars from the shipping of military materiel through Kuwait to U.S. forces in Iraq. Moreover, much of this money is being used to fund the SUNNI insurgency in Iraq that is directed against U.S. troops....and killing quite a few of them.

In 1993, former President George H. W. Bush was awarded an honorary doctorate by Kuwait University and Kuwait's highest honor, the Order of Mubarak the Great. Bush was accompanied on a Kuwait Airways flight by his sons Neil and Marvin and former Secretary of State James Baker III, former chief of staff John Sununu, and Joint Chiefs Operations Director General Thomas Kelly.


After the trip Neil landed lucrative contracts with the Kuwaiti Ministry of Electricity and Water.

Marvin secured defense contracts for his clients.

James Baker III, nailed down deals for Enron.


To ratchet things up with Saddam,

Kuwait STAGED a round-up of some Iraqi whiskey smugglers said to be planning the assassination of the elder Bush during his visit to Kuwait.


want to see some of the bush family connections to 9/11 ????


search on Marvin Bush, Securacom, Kuwiat, Saudi



Destabilizing Iraq: The Saudi Role USA TODAY

A "clear" view of Iraq is now visible only through a blood-soaked kaleidoscope of contradictory and conflicting U.S. policies. While the Bush administration regularly lashes out at Syria and Iran for aiding militias and foreign fighters in Iraq, according to official U.S. military figures reported in the Los Angeles Times on July 15, about 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabia. Fighters from the kingdom are believed to have carried out the majority of suicide bombings in Iraq.

Who is to blame for the influx of fighters though? Gen. Mansour Turki, a spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry, however, blames forces inside of Iraq for the flow of Saudi human bombs into Iraq. If he is to be believed, "Saudis are actually being misused. Someone is helping them come to Iraq. Someone is helping them inside Iraq. Someone is recruiting them to be suicide bombers. We have no idea who these people are. We aren't getting any formal information from the Iraqi government." But Iraqis are quick to point the finger across the border. Lawmaker Sami Askari, an advisor to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Askari accuses Saudi officials of following a deliberate policy of sowing chaos in Baghdad: "The fact is that Saudi Arabia has strong intelligence resources, and it would be hard to think that they are not aware of what is going on."

Askari claims that imams at Saudi mosques regularly call for jihad against Iraq's Shi'ites and that the Saudi government had funded groups to cause chaos and bloodshed in Iraq's predominantly Shi'ite south.

But in large part this continues to be conveniently overlooked by the Bush administration so that massive arms packages can be sold to Saudi Arabia, access to the vast oil reserves continues unabated, and the


SAUDI ROYAL family's and Bin Laden families,


long-standing connections to


the BUSH families.....as providors of MONEY TO THE BUSHES...

remain unmentioned in mainstream circles.


Posted by: might as well learn a little bit you stupid mxxxx fxxxing o ba ba nauts.... | May 12, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris


It appears that the Obama people have really gone off the deep end tonight - Im not sure why - there is a difference between stating an opinion and nonsense.

I suspect this is a strategy to drown out reasonable discussion.


First, they are attempting to "scroll" comments so that comments which they do not agree are way down the page, buried by nonsense or long news articles.

Second, they are attempting to discourage people from posting by dragging down the discourse.


That is my call.

.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 12, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Chris


It appears that the Obama people have really gone off the deep end tonight - Im not sure why - there is a difference between stating an opinion and nonsense.

I suspect this is a strategy to drown out reasonable discussion.


First, they are attempting to "scroll" comments so that comments which they do not agree are way down the page, buried by nonsense or long news articles.

Second, they are attempting to discourage people from posting by dragging down the discourse.


That is my call.

.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 12, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

svreader inna-cognito vomited: wondering where the brainless frat boyz with hard ons for little girls


were hanging out tonight...
.........

You're one sick pup, pal.

Look at all the good you've done for your Hillary.

Or don't look. Or something.

Posted by: binkynh | May 12, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

kicking some really ugly azzes around your living room...and I'm good at it,


I'm having pizza and a beer too...


these fxxxers are so mxxxer fxxxing stupid, they bend over when I come towards them which makes it that much easier to kick them in the mouth and cut off their buddies thing too...


republicans the NAMBLA PARTY


what are the MEN AND WOMEN IN IRAQ DYING AND LOSING BODY PARTS FOR??????

OIL and drug trafficking...

AND !!!,

are the United States Soldiers getting a cut, of _t_h_a_t_

____________________ M O N E Y ? _____________________no

no, they are getting their legs blown off, getting medals of honor and waiting two years to be declared disabled as they lose homes that they can't make mortgage payments on.

READ THIS:
Just as the Iran-Contra scandal evolved to include drug smuggling, the Iraq War also is closely related to drug smuggling. While the Bush regime has so far managed to keep the drug smuggling aspects of the war from reaching the media, evidence is beginning to emerge. The evidence comes largely from a former FBI translator turned whistle-blower, Sibel Edmonds. Hired to translate intercepted messages soon after 9/11 this Turkish lady first blew the whistle on the FBI for dragging its feet. She has state emphatically that she has seen documents that prove the Bush administration was fully aware of the terrorist attack before 9/11. While ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT, has imposed a gag order on her, this courageous lady has only been able to speak in generalized terms. However, she has repeatedly stated that when viewed as an international drug smuggling operation the picture becomes clear.

Sibel Edmonds has provided a huge clue in her generalized statements, a clue that points directly at the BUSH FAMILY and DICK CHENEY. Haliburton the oil services company formerly headed by CHENEY has a long history of involvement in drug smuggling and gunrunning especially through its Brown and Root subsidiary. Brown and Root also has a long history of providing cover for CIA agents. In the late 1970s Brown and Root was implicated in drug smuggling and gunrunning from oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico built by Brown and Root and using ships owned by Brown and Root. In the 1990s Brown and Root was implicated in smuggling heroin to Europe through Russia. The heroin originated in Laos.

The Russian incident surfaced in 1995 after thieves stole sacks of heroin concealed as sugar from a rail container leased by Alfa Echo. Authorities were alerted to the problem after residents of Khabarovsk, a Siberian city became intoxicated from consuming the heroin. Alfa Echo is part of the Russian Alfa group of companies controlled by Mikhail Fridman and Pyotr Aven. The FSB, the Russian equivalent of the FBI firmly proved a solid link between Alfa Tyumen and drug smuggling. The drug smuggling route was further exposed after the Ministry of Internal Affairs raided Alfa Eko buildings and found drugs and other compromising documentation. Under Cheney's leadership of Haliburton, Brown and Root received a taxpayer insured loan through the Export-Import Bank of $292 million dollars for Brown and Root to refurbish a Siberian oil field owned by Alfa Tyumen. The Alfa Bank is also implicated in money laundering for the Colombian cocaine cartels.

THERE IS $80 BILLION IN UNRECORDED PROFITS IN THE FIRST STEP OF AFGHANI OPIUM COLLECTION, refinement...three steps later it could be worth $400 BILLION, in unrecorded profits...

93 PERCENT of the worlds' HEROIN came out of AFGHANISTAN last year...


SEARCH on Gary Webb, CIA, BUSH, Parry, Letter of Understanding...


read how the CIA has an agreement with the DoJ to profit from drug trafficking w/o fear of prosecution...


....bush doesn't represent the United States,


he represents about 1,400 people that are working together to defraud the United States, and the rest of the world...the stinking mess that is left when they are gone


will be yours to clean up


unless you jail and sue them...


.

Posted by: aggressive behavior that includes over the top intelligence | May 12, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA AXELROD CAMPAIGN STRATEGY FROM DAY ONE


BLACK LIKE ME VOTE

DIVIDE AND CONQUER


18 YEAR OLD IDEALISTIC BABIES - FRESHMAN, LIKE OBAMA

AMERICAN IDOL CONTEST

IMPERSONATE HISTORICAL FIGURES, PRETEND TO BE THEM


DIVIDE AN CONQUER

SUCCESS


HOBBLE FORWARD


ON ONE LEG


WITH HALF THE DEMOCRATS


GOOD LUCK GETTING ACROSS THE LINE


AMERICAN IDOL

FRESHMAN

TWO YEAR DONE NOTHING DOLITTLE


DUMBED DOWN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY


IN A WAY TOO IMPORTANT TIME IN THIS COUNTRY


BIG PROBLEMS

VERY LITTLE MAN


HILLARY

OR

McCAIN


THE "E" FACTOR


EXPERINCE

DOESN'T SPELL "OBAMA"


NOT AN INTERNSHIP


SERIOUS PROBLEMS
SERIOUS WORLD


NO FRESHMAN

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I guess I got here a bit late and the adult discussion has, now, been replaced with the angry children in the room.

Anyhow, if there's any level headed adults left out there. Particularily from MI or FL. I'd like to hear your take.

I, myself, think it's smart for Obama to skip WV, where the outcome won't change the inevitable and begin to build bridges in Michigan and Florida, where he never had the chance to make his case to the voters.

Posted by: swalker3 | May 12, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

wondering where the brainless frat boyz with hard ons for little girls


were hanging out tonight...

guess I found out...right pinkyah

Published on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 by the Prince George's Journal (Maryland)


Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United


.......The suite in which Marvin Bush was annually re-elected, according to public records, is located in the Watergate in space leased to the Saudi government. The company now holds shareholder meetings in space leased by the Kuwaiti government there. The White House has not responded to various requests for comment.

Speaking of the Watergate, Riggs National Bank, where Saudi Princess Al-Faisal had her ``Saudi money trail" bank account, has as one of its executives Jonathan Bush, an uncle of the president. The public has not learned whether Riggs - which services 95 percent of Washington's foreign embassies - will be turning over records relating to Saudi finance.

Meanwhile, Bush has nominated William H. Donaldson to head the Securities and Exchange Commission. Donaldson, a longtime Bush family friend, was a Yale classmate of Jonathan Bush.

On the very day of the tragic space shuttle crash, the government appointed an independent investigative panel, and rightly so. Why didn't it do the same on Sept. 12, 2001?



Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United
by Margie Burns

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

[TO ALL OF YOU VIRGINIA RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW THAT DULLES INTERNATIONAL IS PORT OF ENTRY FOR AMBASSADORS, no checks for ambassadorial privelege could bring any number of things people in]

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."

It also had a three-year contract to maintain electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, according to a Dulles contracting official. Securacom/Stratesec also handled some security for United Airlines in the 1990s, according to McDaniel, but it had been completed before his arriving on the board in 1998.

McDaniel confirmed that the company has security contracts with the Department of Defense, including the U.S. Army, but did not detail the nature of the work, citing security concerns. It has an ongoing line with the General Services Administration - meaning that its bids for contracts are noncompetitive - and also did security work for the Los Alamos laboratory before 1998.

Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000. But the White House has not publicly disclosed Bush connections in any of its responses to 9/11, nor has it mentioned that another Bush-linked business had done security work for the facilities attacked.

Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment.

KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec, and Walker, Marvin Bush and al Sabah are listed in SEC filings as significant shareholders in both companies during that period.

Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.

But none of these connections has been looked at during the extensive investigations since 9/11. McDaniel says principals and other personnel at Stratesec have not been questioned or debriefed by the FBI or other investigators. Walker declined to answer the same question regarding KuwAm, referring to the public record.

Walker is also chairman and CEO of Aviation General, a Tulsa, Okla.-based aviation company with two subsidiaries. SEC filings also show al Sabah as a principal and shareholder in Aviation General, which was recently delisted by the Nasdaq. Stratesec was delisted by the American Stock Exchange in October 2002.

The suite in which Marvin Bush was annually re-elected, according to public records, is located in the Watergate in space leased to the Saudi government. The company now holds shareholder meetings in space leased by the Kuwaiti government there. The White House has not responded to various requests for comment.

Speaking of the Watergate, Riggs National Bank, where Saudi Princess Al-Faisal had her ``Saudi money trail" bank account, has as one of its executives Jonathan Bush, an uncle of the president. The public has not learned whether Riggs - which services 95 percent of Washington's foreign embassies - will be turning over records relating to Saudi finance.



so getting the right president in,


is worth a lot to your


"Resident EVIL" aka insider washington and cronyists are U.S.

but you the people are paying for this trash to steal from you...


put them in the can, and put the lid on tight...


.

Posted by: I was | May 12, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't win the national election, but that's not important, right?

WRONG!!!

The only thing that matters is who can win in November.

Obama can't win.

Hillary can't lose.

That's the only math that matters.

Obama supporters need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Winning the nomination but losing in November is worthless!!!!

Obama can't win in November.

Hillary can't lose in November.

Clinton/Obama its not only the best choice, its the only on that works.

Posted by: Obama can't win the national election, but that's not important, right? | May 12, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Ddueling, your's pig is evil! I saw it cavorting with the Hummas we et for dinner two moons ago. Everbody, please don't vote for the pig. I beg you!

Posted by: Jethro | May 12, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary=Victory... Uh, I mean svreader:

Hillary. Is. Done.

Get. Over. It.

Be. A. Democrat. Now.

Posted by: binkynh | May 12, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

is a vote for castrating evil and eating some

well done mountain oysters...


dueling banned joes is in fact Karl Rove


with a hard on for your little boy....

to go overseas and die fighting for BIG OIL...

whoever is president...

tak a bite outta crime....

shut down the whitehouse before November,

indict, arrest, try, convict, half-hang draw and quarter and then skin them as they expire....

.

Posted by: a vote for HILLARY | May 12, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I'd been wondering where the bitter, defeated, republican-like, usual WaPo minority contingent of Hillary supporters were hanging out tonight.

Guess I found out.

Posted by: binkynh | May 12, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I urge all my fellow West Virginians to wake up at the crack of noon tomorrow and vote for my pig Arnold. If you can't bring yourself to vote for a pig, vote for Hillary. She's the next best thing.

Posted by: Dueling Banjos | May 12, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse


wow

is a very sick slug
and has been reported

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Michigan should deny Obama a place on the November ballot - a fitting response to the shenanigans of seeking to prevent a re-vote in Michigan.


Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 12, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

before obama hillary has been working her ass off for civil rights, women and children

I can't believe anyone would call her racist or say she is for whitey. this just shows how dumb this country can be.

you know because obama has done so much for the black movement. the only thing i've seen is him distance himself from Wright and the church he stayed in for 18 + years. What is sad is the day before he denounced them..they were all sticking up for him and still they come in droves to support him. He's probably laughing at all of you.

clintons are for whitey. right...sure ok
and republicans are for the poor.

Posted by: WHITEY | May 12, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Hillary = Victory.

Obama drama causes electoral trauma McCain will send him back to Momma.

Obama's unelectable.

Hillary's unbeatable.

This time, lets try winning.

We might even like it.

Clinton > McCain > Obama

That's the only math that really matters!!!

Posted by: Hillary=Victory | May 12, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

my thought is that this is a form of


"anything but Hillary," that they Repulsive scammers are selling...


another form of it is Limp rushing bought, trying to snare Hillary by rushing towards her and saying he want her to run against McCain, because she will galvanize the Repulsivescammers.


In reality, the public will learn what they have been paying for with their funds, their futures and their children for 8 years,


and there will be some fairly heavy retribution in the form of lawsuits.

.it's all about money isn't it?

. then

we need to make that a non issue. theft needs to be treated as such, not a partisan thing.

crushthevil.

.

I would behoove Laura to understand that being a party supporter is being a sheep.

The reasons she chose for voting for Barack are more important than voting for a party.


The republican party has been used as a tool by bushCO and CRONYs, none of whom are working for your future.

They are working to fabricate collusion to put money in their pockets at the expense of the NATION.

When the nation falls and it is republican partisanism that has aided and abetted that fall,


republicans will be held responsible for the lack of insight, and the adherence to jingle type thinking.


Conservatism? With a 3 Trillion dollar budget. NO vetoe for 7 years? $120 a barrel oil?

Please being a republican means "not having to think," in my opinion.

Try voting for the best person, no matter what.

Your country needs informed voters not herdable, brainless, animals.

Wake up and take responsibility.

Larry Craigs' tap dancing in restrooms for his unprotected intercourse / dinner is not my idea of a good husband.

.
but, let's be blunt here,


pro occupation people, as in bush, cheenie, libby, wolfowitz, petroleum institute, aei, pnac, jinsa, aipac,

don't care how many americans die.


up until a couple of months ago, benefits for vets had been cut 4 times...


ask a vet what they are going through...


4 unsolicited re ups, no jobs, no medical coverage and fighting for benefits...

this isn't even as good as after Viet Nam, and homelessness is through the roof...

sue halliburton, carlyle group, bechtel, dyncorp, kbr and blackwater into the ground and attach the properties of the people in the bush whitehouse and appointees....liquidate their properties and put it into the GENERAL FUND ACCOUNT,


that is where social security is drawn from.


take back AMERICA from the spawn of shay tan.


.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't win the general election.

Like skydiving without a parachute, there really isn't much point in doing it.

Hillary's problem is much easier.

She can easily win the general election, she's just having trouble getting nominated.

The nomination is under the Democratic Party's control.

The only logical solution is to make Hillary the nominee.

That way, we win in November.

Clinton/Obama - Its not only unbeatable, its the only game in town.

Posted by: Obama can't win, but he can cause Democrats to lose | May 12, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I believe the race should continue until all 57 states have voted, don't you, Obama?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I urge all the folks here in WV to go vote tomorrow for your choice. This is very important, and remember our History as to how the Prez could very well be decided by who wins here in the GE.

Posted by: lylepink | May 12, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Joyce and anyone willing to listen. Oh and check for youself. Never except anything at face value. If I hadn't done my research the news/media would have sent my vote to Obama.

I'm sure your support has been benefical to Obama, but i'm talking about the big guy ahh hmm - PAC money...you know the support he claims not to except:

JPMorgan Chase & Co $353,808
National Amusements Inc $331,946
Google Inc $293,974
Morgan Stanley $253,576
Time Warner $245,875
Exelon Corp $229,861
Wilmerhale Llp $215,231
Microsoft Corp $196,093
Golman Sachs $544,481

oh and there's more. And no i'm not saying that Hillary and McCain don't except this money. The difference is HE SAYS HE DOESN'T EXCEPT THIS MONEY IN THE 8 OR SO ADS HE RUNS...WHILE POINTING THE FINGER AT OTHERS FOR DOING SO.

Contribution from selected industries from 2007:
Securities and Investments
$7,498,500
Health Services/HMOs
$375,621
Lawyers/Law Firms
$15,019,030
Oil and Gas
$266,097
Lobbyist
$141,933
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products
$636,327
Misc Health
$227,927
Misc Industries
$9,206,260
Education
$6,314,940
COMPUTER/INTERNET
$2,698,290
TV/Movies/Music
$3,214,660

check it out: www.opensecrets.org

Again all of them take the contributions but for someone to take this money and then say he doesn't while talking others down for doing so and even using it as political bait...wow.
double trouble

Posted by: oam6000 | May 12, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

57 States of Islam....Obama is getting thing mixed up..Does this tell us something about Obama that he is trying to hide.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

they must be


afraid of me.... ultimately, people search for what I've posted....it's real.

whyzzat....'cause I've been kicking their azzes for 4 years... and I got the shiny shoes to prove it.


that's why they're losing everything that they've stolen....

like blood out of a mortal wound... or schitt out of Karl Roves mouth...


read the


"PNAC Letter to Clinton,"


they wanted to invade IRAQ in 1998.


As Alan Greenspan said, "It was always about the oil."

Greenspan Memoir Democratic Gift, Republican Grenade (Update1)

By Matthew Benjamin

Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Alan Greenspan, a conservative central banker, has tossed a political grenade into the 2008 elections and it exploded right under his Republican Party.

In his memoir, ``The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World,'' the former Federal Reserve chairman skewered President George W. Bush and congressional Republicans for what he said was reckless spending and a politically driven economic agenda and said they deserved to lose control of Congress in 2006. By contrast, he praised former President Bill Clinton, a Democrat, and his economic record.

Greenspan's words are likely to echo throughout next year's campaigns for president and Congress.

``Democrats will taunt the Republicans with this and they will have to address it,'' said James Carville, who ran Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign. ``This is not coming from some shoe clerk.''

Scott Reed, a Republican consultant who managed Bob Dole's 1996 presidential campaign, said Greenspan's words should be ``a wake-up call'' for the party.

``Republicans running for office from the courthouse to the White House have to go back to the basics of economic conservatism or they will be sent back to the stone ages in electoral politics,'' Reed said.

In the book, scheduled for release today, Greenspan, 81, wrote that he was dismayed to find soon after Bush took office in January 2001 that politics, not thoughtful policy making, drove the new president's economic agenda.

`Open-Handed Spending'

Bush's tax cuts were ``unmatched by decreased spending, and, in the wake of September 11, still more open-handed spending,'' he wrote. ``Little value was placed on rigorous economic policy debate or the weighing of long-term consequences.''


Comment on: In Virginia, a Longtime Republican Votes for Change at 2/9/2008 9:01 PM EST


anniejoyce sayz Hillary is "too polarizing,"


that is a republican jingle.


Newt Gingrich was having sex with a fellow congresswoman as his wife lay sickabed....as he castigated Bill Clinton about MORALITY...


it's a position that he doesn't care about, he used it to whip the voters into line...


George W. Bush had a male prostitute regularly visit the whitehouse during his tenure there...


and yet he used homophobia to drive the voters with his "gay marriage," ban.

The republicans attacked a nation that had done nothing to the United States by screaming about terrorists, and Al Queada....who are for the most part friends of the bush family...and killed over 1,000,000 [a million civilians]


to steal oil.


SEARCH on Alan Greenspan, turbulence, OIL


become informed voters, not frogs noticing the pond is getting hotter.


you all don't have war profiteering to keep you warm in Richmond.


SEARCH ON AEI, PNAC, CLINTON, James Baker III

.the point?


INSIDER WASHINGTON will still be runnnig things, whoever gets elected.


If you want the money spent on your country instead of going into off-shore banking acounts...


SEARCH ON Halliburton, Bahrain


then you'd better have someone in the presidency that can close....not a "nice guy," with good intentions...


the last one ended up with several knives in his back


SEARCH on October Surprise, Russians, Carter, Paris

grow up weejuns, don't believe the inside the beltway spam,


again.

.

Posted by: looks like the butt licking crowd is here spamming... | May 12, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Rob Malley, a Middle East policy adviser to likely Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, held a meeting with Hamas. The Times of London was publishing a story about his contacts with the terrorist group.

Posted by: Hamas is in Obama's back pocket | May 12, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

so I'm going to take it easy as I destroy your lives and


eat your Smithsonian insider for breakfast...


what Peter Baker

isn't telling you and neither is the Presidente' by fraud...

is that,


what is good for bushCO and CRONYISTS,

has nothing to do with what is good for AMERICANS...


even if peewee George manages to intimidate the IRAQI duly installed through manipulation by the CIA government in IRAQ, to sign the Carbohydrate Law into fact


Americans will not share in the wealth, he, cheenie, Libby, Rove and other thiefs of democracy will share in _that_ wealth...through secret deals, cow ranches in South America, and Condos in Morroco.


even the lack of enforcement of mpg's for the auto industry or emission standards has more to do with keeping the price of OIL high, than helping out the consumer or auto industry.

if this were WWII, or any thing like a real response to the falsely named terrorists....we would be working on alternative methods for energy production and use in the event that the OIL in the MIDDLE EAST became unusable/unshared...

there have been no programs that address a backup plan.

with the Economy in the dumpster for most of AMERICA outside of the beltway, INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING WOULD BE A WELCOME INFUSEMENT OF WORK TO GET THE MONEY PUMPING THROUGH THE BANKS AND ESTABLISHING A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN

REAL PRODUCTS and MONEY... Real Estate, Highways, transportation systems, agriculture, stopping outsourcing...

but since bushCO and CRONYISTS have their finger on the button of self pleasuring , AMERICA can fend for it's self...


because they , bushCO and CRONYISM, could givea flying FXXX about what happens to AMERICA,


they won't be living here...


.

.

glad to see you all have become repulsive scammers and are

using attack methods as the preferred choice of selling your candidates...


welcome to "you're as stupid and incompetent," as the repulsive scammers...


the truth is enough...


the "I hate Hillary crowd," has the backing of the repulsive scammer crowd, and some of the Obama supporters are definitely repulsive scammers designed to look like democrats....

Karl Roverer used to consistently post as a moderate,


with a kewel name like MountainStreams, or some other "I like the outdoors and I am authentic moniker...


you're playing hardball...


look at the posters intent.


attacking Hillary is a waste of your time, except to complain about what you don't like or think she isn't


bushCO and CRONYs are trying to tag her with the same labels as INSIDER WASHINGTON, DYNASTY, and POLARIZER...

listen closely, repulsive scammers use whatever tactics that they are guilty of to try and stain their opponents....


Karl Rove, George W. Bush, Scooter Libby had a prostitute visiting them in the white house during the last 6 years...

a male prostitute, the whole time they were using homophobia to herd the voters...

SEARCH on Jeff Gannon, Whitehouse, Secret Service...


pay attention to posting patterns, and don't burn your own house down...


set fire to corruption. Hillary isn't corrupt

and Bill Clinton is the best thing to happen to the United States in the last 80 years.


anyone sayz different is selling salaami, crawford salaami...


.and playing hide the salaami with you.

.

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Posted by: : ) | May 12, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I hate Gooks- John McCain

Screw 'em (White Southern Democrats), they didn't vote for you anyway-Hillary Clinton

Folks are bitter-Barack Obama

and What?

Posted by: LyingLiars | May 12, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm much smarter than you think...


confusion is good for people, they have to "make sure,"


so confuse all you want to , I'll be having sex with your daughter tonight...

not to take sides here...

but the whole "defense" issue is "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth."


It really doesn't matter what side you're on. There are two primitives playing


pot and kettle.


The difference between them is that one is supposed to be smarter.

how about the United Statess?


If it weren't for the greed of the PNAC people, Wolfowitz, Bush, Cheney, Brother Jeb, Scooter, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove and the oil cartels..........there wouldn't be a hot bed of unrest and poop hitting the fan right now.


There would be a slow policy of moving the middle eastern communities into mainstream thought processes.

You want to change the world for the worlds benefit, it would occur differently than occupying a country and telling the occupying troops that the citizens of the country that you're occupying commited an attack against America...which is what bush/cheney/rove and others did

The figure quoted by the Wall Street Journal was in the 80% range a year ago.....ground troops thought that the Iraqi people were involved in WTC.


The soldiers were kicking down doors, arresting families, intimidating neighborhoods _as_a_way_of_doing_business_

in fact Washington Post had an article describing the tone, "It felt weird and looked wrong," read it.........


is this the tone that "liberators" set? or intimidators?

families that have subjugated peoples to work on their sugar plantations in the West Indies as slaves?

bushes uncle walker lost billions when Cuba took his West Indies holdings...that's why George H.W. Bush and his zapata oil company got involved in Castros assassination...and JFK got killed.


Do you think the belief system that there are classes of people that are best treated poorly to keep them in line, is passed down through families?


apparently, check your bill of rights and see if it's still there

I think the Patriot Act removed it...

.


Posted by: I think people are quite willing to sift through your sschitt to find some gold... | May 12, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse


Hey! Look! There! Up in the sky!!

It's Obama Man. er, it's a mousey dolittle!


Is that him heading to Florida? Michigan? Isn't that against the rules?

Aren't those the people who's AMERICAN RIGHT TO VOTE he has stonewalled for months upon end.


He should save his time and energy for the wife. She's a handful.


FOR EVERY VOTER OBAMA HAS TURNED OUT - HE HAS CREATED A STAY AT HOME BITTER DUNKIN DONUT UNEDUCATED STAY AT HOME DEMOCRATE FOR NOVERMBER


KNOW THAT SUPER DELEGTES


OBAMA CAME TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER - TAKE AND HOLD HOSTAGE THE (HALF) BLACK LIKE ME VOTE


HE TOTALLY SUCCEEDED


HE GOT HALF 50%


WILL ALL THOSE KIDS SHOW UP? WILL HE WIN WITH ONLY THE BLACK LIKE ME FOLKS?


THE BITTER LIFE EDUCATED INSULTED DEMOCRATS THAT HAVE BROUGHT THIS PARTY TO WHERE IT IS

WILL BE STAYING HOME IN NOVEMBER


WE DON'T ALL DRINK KOOL AID

WE DON'T ALL WATCH AMERICAN IDOL


MOST OF US ARE INTELLIGENT AND KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF LEADERSHIP

AND WHAT THAT TAKES


THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT AN INTERNSHIP

NOT AN AMERICAN IDOL CONTEST

NOT A SMILY FACE AWARD


WE KNOW - THE PRESIDENCY HAS BEEN DUMBED DOWN BY REPUBLICANS

WE NEVER THOUGHT WE'D SEE IT DUMBED DOWN BY DEMOCRATS


THE TROLLS HAVE THEIR PUPPET

HE IS NO ONE IN NO MANS LAND WITHOUT THEM


OY VAY

NOVEMBER = NOBAMA


AND NO BITTER WHITE FOLK

BUT, WE'LL BE WATCHING FROM OUR LIVING ROOMS


YOU CAN BE SURE OF THAT


Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"You dudes are crazy. Hillary is for whitey.It follows that she must be against us brothers and other assorted characters ON THE STREETS OF DC. Vote Obama!"

Right on bro! Ya know no bro want no whitey women telling us bro's an thugs what to do

Posted by: Lets talk race relations | May 12, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

let's be honest


senatorsun

there is only one group of people that want to stay in

IRAQ for 100 years...

bushCO and CRONYs...

last I heard...

the Clintons never had any stock in Carlyle Group


unlike James Baker III, the SAUDI ROYALS, the Bin LADENS, and JEB, GEORGE H.W., NEIL, GEORGE W. and the rest of the BUSHES...


John McCain, hasn't come back from Viet Nam yet,


and he thinks being a patriot has something to do with,

believing his betters / handlers .


.

Posted by: baby cheeses winking at you as Karl dives on the brown eye pie... | May 12, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

NEWSFLASH-----THIS JUST IN------NEWSFLASH


the "race" is over.

Hillary Lost.

Posted by: Sam Spence, Jr. | May 12, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

what is a Chewn?

Posted by: NTSMRTASUTHNK | May 12, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

some serious


butt lickers

are fishmongers

and finger themselves in traffick endangering your commutes from Leesburg...

and posting about fish.

.

Posted by: wow | May 12, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

As, we learn more about Obama it is evident that he is not ready to be President. He may have a Harvard degree but I want my candidate to be smarter than a fifth grader. During a speech in Oregon, he stated that he had visited 57 states and there were 2 he would not visit.

It was reported today that one of Obama's staffers met with Hamas. I wonder how long it will take Obama's media to report this.

I believe, Obama has promised Hillary something if she stayed in the race until West Virginia and Kentucky. Think about it, if Hillary had dropped out after Indiana, how would it look to the Superdelegates if Obama lost Kentucky and West Virginia and the only competition was against himself

Has Obama chosen not to campaign in West Virginia because it is not black enough?

Posted by: tdl62 | May 12, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

CHEWN?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA: I'M GETTING NERVOUS. I JUST REALIZED. I BIT OFF MORE THAN I HAVE EVER CHEWN

OBAMA: I NEED A DIRECT RED PHONE TO TEDDY BEAR, JOHNNY LOSER, CHRISSY EVERT - ER, I MEAN DODD

OBAMA: HOW DO I RUN A WAR?

OBAMA: HOW DO I PAY FOR THOSE BALLET LESSONS, ER, I MEAN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, - WHAT IS THAT ? THE PENTAGON OR GUNS? OR IS THE DONALD RUMSFELD RETIREMENT ACCOUNT?


OBAMA: 3AM
HE ANSWERS THE PHONE: "WHO?"


WORSE

MICHELLE ANSWERS.
"LET IT GO TO THE MACHINE. I DON'T LIKE AMERICA TODAY"


Posted by: SMRTRTHNU | May 12, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's tell the delegates they will be seated, but at the last minute take their chairs and hide them! Obama will then cream Hillary at the Convention.

Posted by: St. Lizzies | May 12, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama's preening is a little premature. The Democratic race is not over yet.

The recent LA Times/Bloomberg national poll taken a few days before and a few days after the IN and NC primaries is more on target than today's WashingtonPost/ABC poll.

According to the Times/Bloomberg poll, the economy is the most pressing concern of the people, and the people trust Hillary Clinton more than either Obama or McCain to handle it.

In the meantime, 41 Former South Dakota State Legislators and Constitutional Officers Endorsed Hillary Clinton today - so much for George McGovern:

http://katalusis.blogspot.com/2008/05/41-former-south-dakota-state.html

And Clinton supporters, on the eve of the WVA primary where Hillary is expected to win by a landslide, are singing along with John Denver, "West Virginia, Mountain Mama..."

We're looking forward to a repeat performance in Kentucky next Tuesday.

Note to Obamphiles: Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Posted by: ichief | May 12, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama's preening is a little premature. The Democratic race is not over yet.

The recent LA Times/Bloomberg national poll taken a few days before and a few days after the IN and NC primaries is more on target than today's WashingtonPost/ABC poll.

According to the Times/Bloomberg poll, the economy is the most pressing concern of the people, and the people trust Hillary Clinton more than either Obama or McCain to handle it.

In the meantime, 41 Former South Dakota State Legislators and Constitutional Officers Endorsed Hillary Clinton today - so much for George McGovern:

http://katalusis.blogspot.com/2008/05/41-former-south-dakota-state.html

And Clinton supporters, on the eve of the WVA primary where Hillary is expected to win by a landslide, are singing along with John Denver, "West Virginia, Mountain Mama..."

We're looking forward to a repeat performance in Kentucky next Tuesday.

Note to Obamphiles: Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Posted by: ichief | May 12, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

HEY

IS THAT OBAMA BLACK LIKE ME WHITE LIKE ME

COURTING THE MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA FOLKS WHO'S VOTES HE STONEWALLED FROM BEING COUNTED


HE CAN DREAM ON

HOBBLE ON


HE THINKS WE ALL DRANK THE KOOL AID


BUT THE SMARTER THAN HIM SENIORS AND DENIED BY HIM VOTERS IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA

DIDN'T AND WOULDN'T EVER GET DRUGGED BY THE AMERICAN IDOL DONE NOTHING DOLITTLE FROM CHICAGO


ALL HE'S GOT IS A GREAT BIG SMILEY FACE

NO RESUME
NO EXPERIENCE
NO MORE KOOL AID KIDS


NOVEMBER = NOBAMA


THIS IS A SERIOUS WORLD

THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES ISN'T A CONTEST

AND IT ISN'T AN INTERNSHIP

NOT THIS TIME AROUND

NOT WITH THESE PROBLEMS WE'VE GOT

TWO YEAR FRESHMAN SENATOR


GROW A BRIAN

DO IT SOON


Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

You whiners forget that Obama didn't make the DNC rules, he just followed them. It's the Clintons who want to change the rules after the game is over. McAuliffe agreed to the proposed compromise yesterday: seat half the delegates at the convention.

Posted by: Joyce | May 12, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Even SNL has turned on Clinton: http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=250052

I'm thinking she won't mention THIS one.

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 12, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

You dudes are crazy. Hillary is for whitey. Therefore, I conclude she is also for gentrification. It follows that she must be against us brothers and other assorted characters ON THE STREETS OF DC. Vote Obama!

Posted by: North Captial and H Streets | May 12, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse


HEADLINES

WITH POO CUE AND SPORTING FLAG PIN OBAMA COURTS THE WHITE-LIKE-ME VOTE IN W VIRIGINA

AND SHOWS WHAT A PHONY POLITICIAN HE IS

THAT WOULD BE THE BITTER WHITE SIMPLETONS HE PORTRAYED TO THE BILLIONAIRES IN SAN FRANCISCO

LOVING IT

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey 37th & O! We here on the streets want Hillary. She was friends with Mitch Snider and Martin Sheen. We want our nasty streets back!

Posted by: 12th & L | May 12, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Some seriously fringe thinkers at work on this page. Let's be careful out there folks. And don't forget the meds.

Posted by: I. Gotta Haddock
---------------------

That's an understatement. But, what do you expect. Hillary has elevated this election into the theater of the absurd. She is grotesque too.

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | May 12, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse


Michigan should actually tell the national democratic party that because the national party refused to count Michigan's primary, the candidate selected by the national democratic party will not have a ballot position in Michigan in the November election.

Fair is fair.

The Democrats in Washington want to push Michigan around, it is time Michigan stuck up for itself.


This entire episode has been a bad joke.

To be completely honest, there is no reason why Michigan should back down in the discussions over the next set of primaries in the next election cycle. There is no reason why Nevada should go before Michigan.

.

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 12, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"The argument that no president has ever been elected without carrying West Virginia is ridiculous."

I can think of at least 16 that were...

I am, for the first time in my life, ashamed of my party and those in it. Worse than worst of any Republican in history, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

The argument that no president has ever been elected without carrying West Virginia is ridiculous. By that logic, no one has ever become president of the United States without being white. So now are Americans to simply vote for white people as presidential candidates? Hate to tell you folks 'But the times - they are a-changin.'

Posted by: woody | May 12, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

NEVER AGAIN will the American People have their voices muffled and their votes disenfranchised. Once with Howard Douglas DISENFRANCHISING BLACK, white, Asian, Hispanic and American Native Indian women.
The second time with Howard Dean DISENFRANCHISING the voters and voices of Michigan and Florida residents and American Citizens.
JUST SO NO to the DNC Insiders, Howard Dean, and the SUPER DELEGATES.

NEVER AGAIN!! Never again!! NEVER AGAIN!!
The American People will have their VOICES HEARD (Hillary R. Clinton will be a Presidential Candidate and will DEBATE both McCain and Obama come Novemer) and their VOTES COUNT!! Hillary R. Clinton will be on the ballot and all of her supporters in Michigan, Florida, California, New York, Texas, Ohio. Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Indiana and West Virginia will have their VOTES COUNTED!!

Hillary R. Clinton for President.
Hillary R. Clinton for President.
Hillary R. Clinton for President.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | May 12, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse


Response to Aussie2020


The uncommitted vote in Michigan is allocated thorough a process of party meetings - so for each of the delegate slots for uncommitted, real people had to be chosen to fill each slot.


Even though there was the dispute with the national party, the Michigan democratic party did go through the meeting process of filling the delegate slots with actual people who supported one candidate or the other.


So Michigan has a entire set of delegates selected and ready to go - whether the national ends up recognizing them or not.

The uncommitted slots were eventually filled with people who supported Obama or Hillary or are uncommitted.


So Obama has Michigan delegates duly elected - and Obama has Michigan superdelegates who support him. How many is subject to analysis.

.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 12, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"Even MLK was a lifelong Repub."

LOL Good one zouk. Good as in funny. Not good as in true.

Posted by: Spectator2 | May 12, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse


the media,


is complicit with the corruption in Crawford.

they still call it a "war," when it's an occupation

everyone in the world knows....


the press is either a pack of cowards, which is highly likely,


or getting paid...I know of at least 7 at the post that are on the Whitehouse payroll...

however, that's not all of them.

.-.

.

Posted by: an honest provacatouer....of the inanely insolently stupid and incompetent... | May 12, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Some seriously fringe thinkers at work on this page. Let's be careful out there folks. And don't forget the meds.

Posted by: I. Gotta Haddock | May 12, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

look,


both Obama and Clinton,

are surrounded by and have some wolves working for them...

you all need to understand something.

slaves were prevented from learning to read and write and how to take care of themselves by the masters...

the masters don't want either Hillary or Barack to win...


but they'd rather have Barack win , because he's sure that they are a product of her imagination...


Clinton didn't take them down when he came into office, because he like Barack wanted to give everyone a "fair say,"


there are a number of people chained to Hillary and Barack,


that are there to interfere.


some of them post here.


you want the people to win, don't degenerate into he said she said....


want to keep slaves under control ????


don't let them organize.


pay attention...little dawgs fighting over meat, need to look at who's throwing the meat out...not just stupidly fight.


. remember, the Obama cocaine "gay sex," was meat that was thrown on purpose.


you use it ????


you're stupid.


get over it, learn to not be led.


.

Posted by: xeon and little bigones..... | May 12, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama GOT ZERO VOTES in Michigan. To give him any delegates when he took his name off the ballot and boycotted the election in Michigan is an injustice. Obama learned these tactics from the Sunni Muslim in Iraq who tried the same tactics in the ELECTIONS in IRAQ. Did they win? NO. So why should they in Michigan? They SHOULD NOT!! So Obama, CU!! Hillary for President in Michigan, Florida, California, New York, Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, New Hampshire, ... and today West Virginia. It should be very interesting come November when Hillary is on the ballot with both Obama and McCain, like Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, ...

Hillary R. Clinton, the PEOPLE CHOICE, not the DNC insiders, super delegates, Howard Dean's choice.

Who REALLY CARES who the super delegates and DNC insiders choose anyways. Who are they? They are like Obama has said, the OLD. It is strange how Obama says he is for Change? But who will choose him as the DNC insiders and Washington super delegates candidate. The Biggest Hypocrite every to run for the office the American Presidency?
Obama!! Hands down.

The American People Choice: Hillary R. Clinton.
Come November, Hillary R. Clinton will be on the BALLOT!! as the American's People's Candidate, like Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, ... All of the NON-Washington Insiders. If you want the old, Washington and DNC Insider's pick, vote for Obama.

But if you WANT refreshing Change, like Ross Perot, Ralph Nader and now Hillary R. Clinton, then vote for Hillary R. Clinton. TINA (There IS NO Alternative!!).

Hillary is hands down more qualified and more AMERICAN than Obama. For Susan B. Anthony, who campaigned and marched with Black men and women for the right to vote, ONLY TO BE DISENFRANCHISED BY Howard Douglas and the DNC Insiders, ... Do not let history repeat itself. This time the WOMEN WALK IN THE FRONT door and are not DISENFRANCHISED BY OBAMA, Howard Dean, DNC Insiders, Super Delegates and Obama Insiders.

Like the Holocaust Survivors said when they had survived the Death Camps in Eastern Europe:

NEVER AGAIN WILL BE DISENFRANCHISED LIKE WE WERE BY Howard Douglas (Susan B. Anthony) and By Howard Dean (Michigan and Florida voters and voices)!!
Never Again. Never Again. Repeat it to yourself.

And then do all you can to Prevent if from Happening Again. We need to put Hillary R. Clinton on the Ballot in November to show Howard Douglas, Howard Dean, the DNC Insiders and the Super Delegates that NEVER AGAIN will we ALLOW them to take AWAY OUR RIGHT TO VOTE, TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD (for HILLARY TO DEBATE BOTH McCain and Obama come Novermber) and for the PEOPLE TO CHOOSE, and NOT THE DNC Insiders and Super Delegates.

Hillary R. Clinton For President!!
Hillary R. Clinton For President!!
Hillary R. Clinton For President!!

Posted by: Aussie2020 | May 12, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

in case you think my comments about "fudge packers,"

is just BS read this:


Karl Rove in fishnets

w/o pants being led around on a leash by the Gayes tman in Virginia???

Voice of the White House

TBR News.org

"An absolute non-issue with the American print and TV media is the control by very powerful gays of the top policy levels of


the White House.


Growingly pointed comments inside the Beltway social clubs, homes and watering places about Karl Rove's "good friend" 'Jeff Gannon' are being very thoroughly ignored by the mainline press.

There are two reasons for this crashing silence. One is the fact that a large number of powerful and wealthy Republicans are gay and do not want their wives and children to discover that they put on leather underwear and spend their spare time at the Eagle over on New York Avenue or getting rough trade action at the Crew Club. Fat Karl Rove was seen by one of my people entering a private homosexual orgy at a five-star Washington hotel over the Mid-Atlantic Leather (MAL) weekend last year. All the self-hating loyal Republican gays at the no-pants party, many of them Senatorial aides and military types, of course pretended they didn't recognize him, and who can blame them - imagine how repulsive Fat Karl must look without his clothes. The report that came back was that Fat Karl greatly enjoyed the supervision of a certain hairy 350-lb. Leather Dominator, who had won the Miss Virginia Daddy Bear title at the MAL festivities.

Karl used hang out at JR's, which is on 17th between P&S,


before he became so well-known. This is a "respectable" gay bar for discreet people who do not wear mesh panties,


high-heeled pumps and wear terrible wigs.


How many people know about these activities?


In Washington, a hell of a lot of the prominent.


But very few of them dare to open their mouths because of their own small problems....like Larry Craig, George W. Bush, Trent Lott, Ken Mehlman, Scooter Libby, George H.W. Bush, Barbara the sheman Bush...

so these "good ole boyz," be using homophobia like J.Edgar, and jess lakka him dey are dat !!!!


HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RAH !!!


.

Posted by: can you pickchure this ???? | May 12, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

pointing out that Obama is using the words of others to inspire,


like a preacher quoting scripture looking for an "a men,"


is a legitimate position.

it's called examining "the thrill,"

you can go to an Aryan rally, a Baptist revival, or a "Truth Speakers," rally

and get the same thrill, with or without belief...


saying that is called, "waking people up,"

people that "don't want to be woken up," say....


"that's not fair,"

listen: I worked on a project and I am hiring people....I ask them questions that show their ability to work through


_that_ project...


I hired someone from mainland China to write code on a communications product because he spoke English, understood mathematics, and had made an effort to get in_country....

and he didn't know how to code, and didn't undrestand what coding was, but I could code for him....


he did know the mathematics for understanding Antennae attenuation from surrounding terrain/weather...


I didn't hire a professor that had 8 years of teaching coding...in the language that we were using.


Because he never worked on a project, and couldn't talk about how to solve things like routing, multiple servers and encode - decode multiplexing...


And I could see he wasn't able to follow what I was talking about...


he wanted to "hand wave," as a response....not talk about the project...


that makes me feel queasy.


The guy from China stayed with the company when I left the project. One of the only people hired from my team as a permanent employee.


.make decisions on something besides "thrill," "charisma,"


I've worked for alcoholics that "could do the job," and non alcoholics that couldn't


it's not about morality.


.it's beyond that.

.ps. look behind you.

.

Posted by: demonstrating more ability than oba baba... | May 12, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton said it would be nice to have two people who loved America in the race.

Here's BHO's resume:
1) stopped wearing american flag lapel pin as US Senator, stating it was 'false patriotism'. What's up with that!

2) chooses to associate with Rev Wright for 18 yrs, who encourages congregation to sing "g-d d-amn america'. What's up with that!

3) Ivy league wife of ivy league senator BHO gets a $200000 raise the day he is elected to the senate as a 'community outreach' officer for a Chicago Hospital. When her hubby wins the Iowa primary, she states she is proud of America for the first time in her life. What's up with that!


So it appears BC was right this time. BHO is a typical empty suit with a major chip on shoulder.

Posted by: Ryan | May 12, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I find the Obama people extremely offensive in their remarks here - they are basically calling people who do not like their candidate racists.

This poster at 8:04 is one example.

I do not like the general tone of the Obama people - they really do not have any idea of how they will proceed.


.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 12, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

oam6000...
Obama's money comes from small donations from millions of people like ME. Don't blame Obama for the Clintons mistake of underestimating his support. Don't blame Obama for the Clintons assuming the race would be over in her favor by February 5th. For all their political EXPERIENCE, the Clintons should know what happens when you ASSUME. If the Clintons want to dip into their millions to continue this race, I don't care, and neither does Obama. But, I agree, that it's time for Obama to shift his focus onto McCain and the general election.

Posted by: Joyce | May 12, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

you want you azzes kicked ???


step up, daddies home.

you children need to read your posts.


you sound like playground thugs.

you should watch British Parliment sometime....they have a rousing "go at it," but they don't use stupidity as an excuse for not understanding...


they actually respond to each other with real consideration.


you all, remind me of middle schoolers fighting online or on the telephone

and using "popularity cliches,"

hey punks. POPULARITY has nothing to do with competence.


you want to write your _stupid_ remarks over and over again


selling innuendo?

your real audience here is


people that work in Washington D.C.,

do you think that they can't see what you are ????

you are controlled by the occaisional professional spin artist that shows up here,

and you think you have a "reputation to protect or uphold?"

please. you flatter yourself.

be honest. don't hold a position that you don't believe in,


and don't sell what isn't true just because you want your person to win...

this isn't junior high school, start treating the truth as if it mattered.

.punks.


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Posted by: a lover of actual intellectual ability rather than the parroting of points that passes for that here | May 12, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

The "Downing Street memo" (occasionally DSM, or the "Downing Street Minutes"), sometimes described by critics of the Iraq War as the "smoking gun memo",[1] is the note of a secret 23 July 2002 meeting of senior United Kingdom Labour government, defense and intelligence figures discussing the build-up to the war, which included direct reference to classified United States policy of the time. The name refers to 10 Downing Street, the residence of the British prime minister.

The memo recorded the head of MI6 as expressing the view following his recent visit to Washington that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." It also quoted Foreign Secretary Jack Straw as saying that it was clear that Bush had "made up his mind" to take military action but that "the case was thin", and the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith as warning that justifying the invasion on legal grounds would be difficult.

The memo was first published in The Sunday Times on May 1, 2005, during the last days of the UK general election campaign.[2]

It went largely unremarked in the US press at first, but was heavily covered in leftist blogs such as those on Daily Kos, because of a remark attributed to Richard Dearlove (then head of British foreign intelligence service MI6) that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed [by the US] around the policy" of removing Saddam Hussein from power, which was taken to show that US intelligence on Iraq prior to the war was deliberately falsified, rather than simply mistaken.[3]

As this issue began to be covered by American media (Los Angeles Times on page 3 May 12, 2005, Washington Post on page 18 May 13, 2005[4]), two other main allegations stemming from the memo arose: that the UN weapons inspection process was manipulated to provide a legal pretext for the war, and that pre-war air strikes were deliberately ramped up in order to soften Iraqi infrastructure in preparation for war, prior to the October U.S. Senate vote permitting the invasion.[5]

Although some elements of the US media have portrayed the document as faked or fraudulent, no official sources have questioned its accuracy or disputed its authenticity, despite being questioned directly about it on numerous occasions.[citation needed] Both UK and US officials have since either refused to affirm or deny its content, or else have tacitly validated its authenticity (as when Tony Blair replied to a press conference question by saying "That memo was written before we went to the UN.")

A group of 131 United States Congressmen, led by John Conyers, have repeatedly requested of US President George W. Bush to respond to the contents of the document. A resolution of inquiry was filed by Representative Barbara Lee, which would request that the President and the State Department turn over all relevant information with regard to US policy towards Iraq. The resolution had 70 co-sponsors.[


but, I guess, this is the past right ???


heh heh heh, ohhhhhhhhhhhhh my....


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Posted by: chee zeuschrist | May 12, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

JBE, I love women too, but not the work stuff. Hillary is no woman. She is a broad.

Posted by: Frankie Sinatria | May 12, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Copyright Reverend Irving Wright with twenty years of Amens from Barry Obama

While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us repudiate a land that's so called free,
Let us all be hateful for a land that's so called fair,
As we raise our bitter voices in a solemn prayer.

God Da-mn America,
Land that I loathe.
Stand astride her, yet despise her
With a chip on a shoulder from above.
From Hawaii, up to Harvard
To the Jews rich from our blood
God Da-am America, keepin' us down down down.

Posted by: Jermiah | May 12, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

JBE doesn't hate women...


he just loves men, he's a fudge packer...


that being said:


He's America's Joseph Goebbels.

As a 21-year old Young Republican in Texas, Karl Rove not only pimped for Richard Nixon's chief political dirty tricks strategist Donald Segretti but soon caught the eye of the incoming Republican National Committee Chairman, George H. W. Bush. Rove's dirty tricks on behalf of Nixon's 1972 campaign catapulted Rove onto the national stage.

From his Eagle's Nest in the West Wing of the White House, Rove now directs a formidable political dirty tricks operation and disinformation mill.

Since his formative political years when he tried to paint World War II B-24 pilot and war HERO, George McGovern

as a left-wing peacenik through his mid-level career as a planter of disinformation in the media on behalf of Texas and national GOP candidates to his current role as Dubya's "Svengali," Rove has practiced the same style of slash and burn politics as did his Nixonian mentor Segretti.

Many of us remember the Lincolnesque Senator Ed Muskie breaking down in tears during the 1972 campaign over Segretti-planted false stories in a New Hampshire newspaper that

accused Mrs. Muskie of being a heavy smoker, drinker, and cusser and accused Muskie of uttering a slur in describing New Hampshire's French Canadian population.

Rove's hero also forged letters on fake Muskie campaign letterhead,
disrupted rallies and fundraising dinners, and

spread false stories about the sex lives of candidates.

Segretti's brush also smeared George McGovern,
George Wallace,
Shirley Chisholm, and
McGovern's first vice presidential choice, Senator Tom Eagleton.

Segretti of course did not go on to a high-level White House job -- he was sentenced to six months in federal prison for distributing illegal campaign material.

In many respects, however, the apprentice Rove has far exceeded the chicanery and evil-mindedness of his mentor Segretti. Rove is a tech-savvy puppet master for Bush. Take, for example, last June's discovery of a "lost" CD-ROM in Lafayette Park across from the White House. Contained on the CD was a PowerPoint presentation given by White House political director Ken Mehlman to Rove on the strategy for next Tuesday's off-year election. The slide show showed First Brother Jeb Bush being vulnerable in Florida. Jeb Bush later joked that the disc was part of a plot cooked up by him and his brother to make it appear that he was vulnerable in order to rally an otherwise complacent GOP base in the Sunshine State. Or was it a joke? Jeb Bush and his political minions like Katherine Harris have shown us that if anyone thinks what the GOP has done in Florida is funny they have an incredibly sick sense of humor.

Rove's own tendency to be sick-minded originates with his mentor Segretti. The 2000 GOP primary was a chance for Rove to hone his skills in dirty tricks.

His target then was Senator John McCain who appeared to be within striking distance of Dubya in South Carolina after the then-GOP maverick's surprise upset victory in New Hampshire. Rove's operation proceeded to target McCain with false stories: McCain was a stoolie for his captors in the Hanoi Hilton (this from a lunatic self-promoting Vietnam "veteran"); McCain fathered a black daughter out of wedlock (a despicable reference to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter); Cindy McCain's drug "abuse"; and even McCain's "homosexuality."

In the spirit of Segretti, Rove engineered a victory for Dubya but at the cost of trashing an honorable man and his family.

Muskie, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Hart, Tsongas, Clinton, Biden, Dole, Perot, and others had all seen the Segretti/Rove slash and burn tactics before.

And Rove's penchant for fascistic demagoguery and outright lying continues to this very day. After Paul Wellstone's sons asked that Vice President Dick Cheney not attend the Minneapolis memorial service for their father, mother, and sister, the White House explained that the real reason wasn't the surviving Wellstone family's abhorrence for Cheney but the fact the family didn't want Cheney's Secret Service protection to interfere with public access to the service. Of course, the Rove and Ari Fleischer disinformation machine forgot to take into account that two attendees, Bill and Hillary Clinton, had their own Secret Service details. But such is the case with a White House that takes its lessons from Goebbels and the editorial staff of the old Soviet News Agency Tass.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

What's the problem this guy has with the American flag, anyway? What's that all about? I mean, why the big hang-up, he's running for friggin president isnt he?

Posted by: Meryl | May 12, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not ready for the Repuglican attack machine. Besides, have you noticed he looks like J Fred Muggs? HRC will be ready to hit the ground running on Day One. You Go Girl.

Posted by: Geraldine | May 12, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

What is with the Hillary supporters claiming death and destruction lie ahead if the will of the electorate isn't overturned in favor of the losing candidate?

All of those posts share the notion that women are hated in our society.

For what its worth, I love women. I love EVERYTHING about women. I LOVE it when a woman out performs me in the office... But then again I love to learn for others who are more accomplished than I, so I love it whan ANYONE outperforms me - I get to learn and do better next time.

Notice that my desire to work with excellence has NOTHING to do with gender?

So when I say that hillary isn't a woman who belongs in the presidency - I MEAN HILLARY. Not ALL women.

Give us a woman candidate who isn't a lying, weaseling lawyer like hillary. There are tons of them! Give us a woman who isn't trying to deny the electorate, twisting arms of political insiders to support her over the voter's will, because there are tons of them available! Give us a woman who didn't vote for the war!
Give us a woman who is honest because there are tons of them to choose from!

Just STOP telling me I hate women because I don't want that untrustworthy, opaque, ever shifting hillary in the whitehouse!

Go Obama/Sebilius in '08!

Posted by: JBE | May 12, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Hillary to announce her Candidacy for the Presidency come Noverber at WV victory speech. Stay tuned. If Obama, Howard Dean, the DNC insiders, the super delegates and Obama supporters thought they had a nightmare with Michigan and Florida, it JUST GOT LIGHT Years worse. a Alptraum.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | May 12, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

A Hillary supporter in WV was holding this sign today:
"Say no to Barack Hussian Obama"
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 12, 2008 7:53 PM
___________________________________________
I guess Hillary supporters aren't very good spellers.

Posted by: Jim | May 12, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Hello America,

We in Europe are watching this election very closely. We all hope deep down in our hearts that you Yanks vote in the candidate Obama. We are brethren, you and us, and we worry about you guys!

Signed,

Europeans for Obama

Posted by: Eurobamas | May 12, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary GO Home
Go Home
Go Home
Go Home
Please Do us Favor
Your a headache already
GO..Home.
Your aging while we speak . .

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Cheers to HIllary and not giving up even though all of Obama's lovers in the new/media and the DNC have been telling her to get out for over three months. Cheers to a future president that doesn't give up. Cheer's to whoever believes that the people decide their leader and not the washington politics that Obama claims he's not a part of. She is in this race because the votes are there. These supers that keep walking away...well all I can say is money goes a long way and he's loaded with it....wonder how? Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary! ! ! ! !

Posted by: oam6000 | May 12, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

check your facts, Carol. Obama approved the MI compromise plan. It was Clinton who rejected it.

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 12, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama is going to Michigan and Florida to tell them he'll stop blocking them from revoting? I think he'll find some very angry people there, and it's going to take more than friendly visits to change that.

Posted by: Carol | May 12, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Why is Sen Lieberman always with Sen McCain?
Which country is more important to the voters--America or Israel?

Posted by: ANONYMOUS | May 12, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

you all need to remember your audience.


they are pros, and they know Hillary and Barack, and they know WASHINGTON..

you all are not impressive....you're little endians and big endians...

Johnathan Swift would have hated you.

.He was the author of "Gulliver's Travels," he wrote of this election and coined the phrase little endians and big endians...

the Lilliputians were at war with the kingdom of Beleffesspew because they insisted that poached eggs should be opened little end first...


your tiny little minds aren't viewing the setting that you exist within,


an economy in the dumpster and an occupation of a foreign country that is enriching big oil whilst destroying your country which is being sacked by Internationals that


bushCO and CRONYs are colluding with.

and listen closely little endians, just because George W. is leaving the people that backed him and he and his appointed in washington D.C., the CIA, Secret Service, FBI, NSA, Army, Navy, AirForce, Marines, Supreme Court,

AEI, JINSA, CSP, Brookings, AIPAC


and so on will be there

from day one, to oppose and destroy whoever is stupid enough to say that they past doesn't matter....

because today is created from yesterdays...


you don't learn to play pro football in a weekend kampe.


.

Posted by: and I can dance too.... | May 12, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Time for Hillary to turn to the November Election also when she will be competing against the two men: McCain and Obama. It should be a very interesting three party race, similar to the GREAT race when Ross Perot ran as an Independent. The only question is who will Hillary choose for her running mate come November: Jessie Jackson (they would neutralize Obama pretty darn fast, as Jessie is light years more qualified to be Hillary's running mate than Obama. And Obama has already refused the job,), Al Gore, or even Jimmy Carter. It would interesting to see either Al Gore or Jimmy Carter be Hillary's running mate. The combined experience of Hillary and Al, Jessie or Jimmy would be awesome. Obama should go back to kindergarden against the likes of Hillary and Jimmy, Al or Jessie. Similarly with McCain and ...
It will be the young versus the old. Those who have made AMERICA the great and those who think that America is broken and a third world country, like Obama, Howard Dean, the DNC insiders and the super delegates. But many of us are not as pessimistic as Obama, Howard Dean, the DNC insiders and the super delegates.

So Hillary needs to choose her Vice Presidential running mate and ANNOUNCE her candidacy as an Independent, if Obama is awarded the DNC, Howard Dean and the super delegate nomination, after here double digit victory in West Virginia. It is time for her also to start campaigning for the Presidency along with her running mate. Onward and forward. The DNC insiders and super delegates will not choose the NEXT American President!!

The choice of who will be the Next USA President will the American People, including those in both MICHIGAN and FLORIDA who have been disenfranchised by Obama, the DNC insiders, Howard Dean and the super delegates. The American People will NOT BE DENIED THEIR RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES by Obama, Howard Dean, the DNC insiders, the super delegates and Obama's supporters.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | May 12, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

he just borrows them from one of his republick scammer handlers...


Kerry ? HE TOOK A DIVE IN '04


you think he couldn't defeat an alcoholic, coke snorting, fudge packing, business failure, draft dodging daddy's and mommies little boy ???


right, and my name is rumpled_foreskin


.


I guess stacking the court with partisan traitors will have to be remedied with

legal means.

How much does it take to overturn a Supreme Court nomination...how much crime involvement.


Surely Roberts can be linked to the Bush family and some of their criminal activites...and that would be the beginning....I am sure someone will turn him in.


...let's see, who can I call ?????


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Posted by: it's interesting isn't bama never talks about anything in detail... | May 12, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jabba the Butt | May 12, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

What are we Democrats trying to do, lose by putting Obama in as our nominee? Does the Democrat Party really fear women power that much that we prefer to lose rather than nominate Hillary? Rest assured there are millions of "US" who will not support Obama no matter what Hillary asks us to do. This is a dark time for the Democrats if, we continue on this path. Think voters and superdelegates before we get beat!!!

Posted by: Mary O'Bryan | May 12, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary ran a good race, but her supporters have to stop lying. Give Hillary a 60-40 win in a contested MI and FL and she picks up 40 delegates and 300,000 votes. She falls short in delegates and popular vote after OR is counted. PR does not vote in the general election, although they are a strength of the democratic base on the mainland. Hillary will win WV and KY and maybe should concede that night and throw her support behind Obama.

Posted by: Jimbo | May 12, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Blackwater Mercenaries on the USA-Mexico Border


By Nancy Conroy

In San Diego County, California, a firestorm has erupted over plans to build a Blackwater mercenary training camp in the hills behind Potrero, a remote area east of the city. The residents of San Diego are opposing the idea on the grounds that firing ranges are noisy and mercenaries would be undesirable neighbors. So far the controversy has been a localized, "not in my backyard," type of debate involving planning commissions and citizen's action groups.

Americans tend to think in an American way, and therefore nobody seems to have noticed that the location of this camp is right on the US-Mexico border, just a few miles from Tecate.

From an international perspective, there are a number of geopolitical reasons that could explain why this border location was selected. This is probably not merely an issue for the local planning commission, given that the idea of mercenaries along the border has broader international implications.

Blackwater USA is a private army based in Louisiana that has received billions of dollars in US government contracts to assist with the Iraq war. These "contractors" are highly trained ex-military specialists, many of whom come from foreign countries with poor human rights records.

Blackwater, at its website, identifies itself as "... not simply a 'private security company.' We are a professional military, law enforcement, security, peacekeeping, and stability operations firm who provides turnkey solutions."

The presence of Blackwater in Iraq has generated controversy over the concept of an "outsourced" war, using mercenaries instead of regular US troops. The mercenaries do not answer to US military commanders, their conduct is not governed by the Geneva Convention, and they answer only to the people who are signing their paychecks.

Critics often compare them to the Nazi brownshirts.

A Blackwater camp on the border may be a covert attempt to militarize the border without going through congressional oversight or public debate. A so-called "training camp" could probably also function as an operational base. Perhaps Blackwater will obtain government contracts to patrol the border, gradually edging out US agents and putting border security into the hands of a private army away from public scrutiny.

And Blackwater could run immigrant detention camps using the same methods they use in the Middle East. Even if this is not the plan, the Mexicans would have good reason to suspect this motivation.

The proposed training camp is located


near international drug supply routes

controlled by the Sinaloa Cartel.

The remote, mountainous terrain is like Afghanistan, where Blackwater has years of experience running covert operations.

Six miles from the proposed Blackwater camp, northern Mexico has a serious problem with "Men in Black" who coincidentally look, dress, and act just like the Blackwater people. In Mexico, the Men in Black are kidnappers, corrupt police officers, fake federal agents, or Zetas, a narco-paramilitary group. Although Americans may still be swallowing the argument that Blackwater is a "military auxiliary" outfit, the Mexicans are not fooled about who the Men in Black are, what they do, and who they work for. That these same people are now camped out on the US border, or are somehow involved in border enforcement, will lack credibility in Mexico.

Since the Iraq war, business at Blackwater has been booming, which is why they need the new "Blackwater West" facility. Most of Blackwater's contracts come from the US government, at least those that are publicly disclosed. But, Blackwater is a private army that is available to run "corporate security" missions for anyone that can afford it. This suggests another possible motivation for the border location: to serve emerging markets in northern Mexico.

There are surely plenty of possible clients with money in the Baja California area who need special operations. Since Blackwater personnel look just like the Mexican Men in Black, they should have no trouble blending in.

Another possible reason for the border location is the potential to perform "extraordinary renditions" into Mexico. "Extraordinary renditions" is a euphemism for off-the-record prisoner processing, the subjects of which are known in Latin America as "los desaparecidos" ("the disappeared"). Blackwater conducts extraordinary renditions in the Middle East, quietly transferring prisoners to third countries where interrogation techniques are not monitored. From their new border location, Blackwater could perform extraordinary renditions into northern Mexico far away from prying eyes.

SO,

didn't George W.


just try to get AMNESTY w/no BACKGROUND CHECKS passed for _ILLEGALS_

so that he could bring his fathers latino paramilitary "death squads" in_country and to TAKE OVER the Border Patrol ????


another thing is


suicide is at an all time high in the UNITED STATES, for people 45 to 60....

why, no future, all the jobs are outsourced....can't make mortgage payments...


what's to live for....

but I am making that up too...

right?

the repulsive scammers can always sell ice to you eskimos

because you are them, either that or you're to stupid to know that you're frogs in a cooking pot, wondering why it's getting warm...


you couldn't refute me on a good day, no one here is capable of standing against the truth...


and I can kick the living schitt out of anyone that they send against me....

even you buttmonkey bama boy, straight on conversation gets him stuttering...


thinkin "on the fly" no way jose...


he frait of Hillary, he know she kick his monkey butt...

you want the truth ???


try searching on Mexidata, Blackwater, drugs


you hosiers are too dumb to beat...


it's like trying to teach sex to earthworms...


.

Posted by: an interesting fellow capable of destroying mediocrity single handedly....even here at the Post | May 12, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Blackwater Mercenaries on the USA-Mexico Border


By Nancy Conroy

In San Diego County, California, a firestorm has erupted over plans to build a Blackwater mercenary training camp in the hills behind Potrero, a remote area east of the city. The residents of San Diego are opposing the idea on the grounds that firing ranges are noisy and mercenaries would be undesirable neighbors. So far the controversy has been a localized, "not in my backyard," type of debate involving planning commissions and citizen's action groups.

Americans tend to think in an American way, and therefore nobody seems to have noticed that the location of this camp is right on the US-Mexico border, just a few miles from Tecate.

From an international perspective, there are a number of geopolitical reasons that could explain why this border location was selected. This is probably not merely an issue for the local planning commission, given that the idea of mercenaries along the border has broader international implications.

Blackwater USA is a private army based in Louisiana that has received billions of dollars in US government contracts to assist with the Iraq war. These "contractors" are highly trained ex-military specialists, many of whom come from foreign countries with poor human rights records.

Blackwater, at its website, identifies itself as "... not simply a 'private security company.' We are a professional military, law enforcement, security, peacekeeping, and stability operations firm who provides turnkey solutions."

The presence of Blackwater in Iraq has generated controversy over the concept of an "outsourced" war, using mercenaries instead of regular US troops. The mercenaries do not answer to US military commanders, their conduct is not governed by the Geneva Convention, and they answer only to the people who are signing their paychecks.

Critics often compare them to the Nazi brownshirts.

A Blackwater camp on the border may be a covert attempt to militarize the border without going through congressional oversight or public debate. A so-called "training camp" could probably also function as an operational base. Perhaps Blackwater will obtain government contracts to patrol the border, gradually edging out US agents and putting border security into the hands of a private army away from public scrutiny.

And Blackwater could run immigrant detention camps using the same methods they use in the Middle East. Even if this is not the plan, the Mexicans would have good reason to suspect this motivation.

The proposed training camp is located


near international drug supply routes

controlled by the Sinaloa Cartel.

The remote, mountainous terrain is like Afghanistan, where Blackwater has years of experience running covert operations.

Six miles from the proposed Blackwater camp, northern Mexico has a serious problem with "Men in Black" who coincidentally look, dress, and act just like the Blackwater people. In Mexico, the Men in Black are kidnappers, corrupt police officers, fake federal agents, or Zetas, a narco-paramilitary group. Although Americans may still be swallowing the argument that Blackwater is a "military auxiliary" outfit, the Mexicans are not fooled about who the Men in Black are, what they do, and who they work for. That these same people are now camped out on the US border, or are somehow involved in border enforcement, will lack credibility in Mexico.

Since the Iraq war, business at Blackwater has been booming, which is why they need the new "Blackwater West" facility. Most of Blackwater's contracts come from the US government, at least those that are publicly disclosed. But, Blackwater is a private army that is available to run "corporate security" missions for anyone that can afford it. This suggests another possible motivation for the border location: to serve emerging markets in northern Mexico.

There are surely plenty of possible clients with money in the Baja California area who need special operations. Since Blackwater personnel look just like the Mexican Men in Black, they should have no trouble blending in.

Another possible reason for the border location is the potential to perform "extraordinary renditions" into Mexico. "Extraordinary renditions" is a euphemism for off-the-record prisoner processing, the subjects of which are known in Latin America as "los desaparecidos" ("the disappeared"). Blackwater conducts extraordinary renditions in the Middle East, quietly transferring prisoners to third countries where interrogation techniques are not monitored. From their new border location, Blackwater could perform extraordinary renditions into northern Mexico far away from prying eyes.

SO,

didn't George W.


just try to get AMNESTY w/no BACKGROUND CHECKS passed for _ILLEGALS_

so that he could bring his fathers latino paramilitary "death squads" in_country and to TAKE OVER the Border Patrol ????


another thing is


suicide is at an all time high in the UNITED STATES, for people 45 to 60....

why, no future, all the jobs are outsourced....can't make mortgage payments...


what's to live for....

but I am making that up too...

right?

the repulsive scammers can always sell ice to you eskimos

because you are them, either that or you're to stupid to know that you're frogs in a cooking pot, wondering why it's getting warm...


you couldn't refute me on a good day, no one here is capable of standing against the truth...


and I can kick the living schitt out of anyone that they send against me....

even you buttmonkey bama boy, straight on conversation gets him stuttering...


thinkin "on the fly" no way jose...


he frait of Hillary, he know she kick his monkey butt...

you want the truth ???


try searching on Mexidata, Blackwater, drugs


you hosiers are too dumb to beat...


it's like trying to teach sex to earthworms...


.

Posted by: an interesting fellow capable of destroying mediocrity single handedly....even here at the Post | May 12, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The black guy must be racist, look at his crazy former reverend. I have never read one word of racist comment from Obama. His comment on the NYC Bell case was we are a nation of laws and the courts had their say. If any candidate has prejudice it is McCain with his soliciting of Rev. Hagee and his vote against the MLK holiday. A man who brought him to Jesus, but calls him a liar without belief in his core platform is no longer a friend. That crazy you can not put up with and Barack should have taken his committees advice and dumped him at the start of his campaign. McCain embracing Dubya's economic and military agenda is not getting this American's vote. His recent vote and Iraq/Iran theater policy goes against the advice of the joint chiefs. We are fighting a war and a good idea is to listen to the Shinseki's, Powell's and Fallon's. Obama being green I think will add more weight to their input in choosing policy. McCain strikes me as I'm the CIC and you better do this. We have had enough of yes men like Myers that earn another star to overlook problems. Not that Petraeus and Odierno don't deserve their extra star, but the joint chiefs should outline scenario results and then come to a decision on policy.

Posted by: Jimbo | May 12, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Correction to previous post:

Some are now predicting Obama will select Republican Chuck Hagel as VP to send a message that he is serious about trying to unify the country. I think it would be fantastic. I hope he does it!

Posted by: BillClinton | May 12, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Some are now predicting Obama will select Republican Chuck Hagel to send a message that he is serious about trying to unify the country. I think it would be fantastic. I hope he does it!

Posted by: BillClinton | May 12, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

hillary has no where to go.
Obama allways can go zomonda and become king. obama king of zomonda

Posted by: Mark | May 12, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary GO Home already,Your done

Posted by: grdn_nell | May 12, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Hi Mike,

Look at http://www.attacktimeline.com

For evidence on just how dirty a campaign Obama has run.

Posted by: TheTruthAboutObama | May 12, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

obama his the used car sales men of the year.
wow, as DON KING would say only in America

Posted by: gulbadn | May 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary . .Go HomeZZZZzzzzzzz

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Support NEW and FAIR elections in FL and MI. Don't let the DNC act like The Supreme Court and give the nomination to Obama. Remember what happened to Gore?

Posted by: letthepeopledecide | May 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

West Virginians understand Hillary's simple message -- "Don't vote for that guy that does not look like me".

Posted by: BillClinton | May 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY GO HOME!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will win big in WV tomorrow because she knows how to speak to those who do not understand or care about complicated political issues.

Posted by: BillClinton | May 12, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

WV primary Canceled but we have free NASCAR TICKETS for everyone in ATLANTA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama could ever "dumb down" his message enough to win in WV.

Posted by: BillClinton | May 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU I GOT MYSLEF A KOOOOL-AID

GO REV -WRIGHT

Posted by: bibijan | May 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU I GOT MYSLEF A KOOOOL-AID

GO REV -WRIGHT

Posted by: bibijan | May 12, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Hillary GO Home already.

Posted by: grdn_nell | May 12, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I WILL BE WATCHING FLOVER OF LOVE III SHOW TO NIGHT, THANKS FOR THE INFO.

Posted by: DUNEK | May 12, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

countdown
27 to Elected Delegate Majority and 30+ del for meeting majority

155 to 2025 Obama
462 Delegates remain
327 to 2025 Clinton

Posted by: delegate math | May 12, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

All of you go get a drink, sit down and relax.

Posted by: Huh | May 12, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

A Hillary supporter in WV was holding this sign today:

"Say no to Barack Hussian Obama"


Posted by: Bob, DC | May 12, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

GO VOTE FOR KING KONG DO NOT VOTE FOR McCAIN

Posted by: bibijan | May 12, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL OBAMAS SUPPORTERS
PLEASE WATCH MICHELLE OBAMA ON FLOVER OF LOVE III SHOW EVERY MONDAY NIGHTS. WHERE
SHE FIGHTS 20 OTHER UGLY WOMEN FOR $50.00 CASH AND A DATE WITH FLAVER FLAV.

yes we can

Posted by: WATCH TV | May 12, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

This Clintonite ranting gets more and more divorced from reality all the time.

Re: "Obama can't win Florida and Michigan."

Fact: The latest polls show Obama highly competitive with McCain in both states, Florida currently 44-43 for McCain (Quinnipiac, 4/29), Michigan 45-44 for McCain (Rasmussen, 5/7). These are statistical dead heats, effectively a tie in both states. Clinton also ties McCain in Michigan, 44-44, and holds only a narrow lead in Florida, 49-41. Although a lot of voters in both states are frustrated at being disenfranchised, it appears most voters recognize it was their governors, state legislators, and state parties---not Barack Obama--who willfully and arrogantly broke the rules, resulting in their disenfranchisement. There's simply no evidence to support the assertion that large numbers of voters in these states will hold it against Obama come November; that's purely wishful thinking on the part of a few Hillary supporters.

Re: "Obama is stealing a rigged nomination with wins in caucus states."

Fact: Obama didn't make the rules to create caucuses, which are a well-established and long-standing means of delegate selection in many of these states, as well as an important menas of party-building. And the repeated attacks by Clinton, her surrogates, and her supporters on the caucuses themselves as somehow illegitimate is one big reason Hillary runs so weakly against McCain in such crucial swing states as Minnesota, Iowa, Washington State, and Hawaii---all caucus states, and all states the Democrats can ill afford to lose in November. Obama, meanwhile, leads McCain by 14 points in Minnesota, 8 in Iowa, 13 in Washington State, and 30 in Hawaii. Similarly Colorado, where Obama holds a narrow lead over McCain while Clinton trails McCain by 14 points. Insult our caucuses, insult us.

Clinton did poorly in many caucuses because she elected to put in little or no effort there, in others because she's just not very popular in the states in question. That's not "cheating" by Obama, that's just the reflection of a flawed candidate and a flawed campaign on the Clinton side.

Re: "Obama is trying to shut down the process before everyone has a chance to vote."

Fact: Obama isn't trying to prevent anyone from voting, he's merely acknowledging the reality that it has now become virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination. By May 20, he will have won an absolute majority of elected delegates, making it literally impossible for Clinton to catch up on that score. And at the rate he's collecting superdelegate commitments, it's only a matter of a few weeks until he secures the 2025 delegates needed to nominate.

Also note that Clinton's original strategy was to lock up so many superdelegates and blow the competition away with such big wins in the early contests that the race would be over by Super Tuesday---before 46 states had voted. That strategy failed. Plan B was to win the "big states" on Super Tuesday so convincingly that she'd gain an insurmountable lead in delegates and effectively shut the race down--before half the states had voted. That strategy also failed as Obama matched her almost delegate-for-delegate on Super Tuesday, then went on to win the next 12 or 13 straight contests, with the Clinton campaign caught flat-footed and without a fallback strategy. It's breathtakingly hypocritical for Clinton, whose whole campaign strategy was predicated on an early knockout punch based largely on superdelegate commitments, to now argue that it's somehow unfair for another candidate to go for the knockout, or for superdelegates to make commitments "before everyone has had the chance to vote." Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Face it, it's over, Hillary ran a flawed campaign and lost. Let's get on with the general.

Posted by: Brad K | May 12, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR KING KONG

BUT NOT MCCain

I WOULD VOTE FOR KING KONG


BUT NOT MCCain

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY GOOoo HOME!

Posted by: grdn_nell | May 12, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I doubt the margin of victory for Hillary will be 36% tomorrow in WV. Many of Hillary's supporters in West Virginia may not realize they actually have to show up to vote to get counted.

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the children are here.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR KING KONG.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: RENSTROM | May 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR PEEPING TOM.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: newof theday | May 12, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE OF O.J.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: joelop | May 12, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain People (MUNCHKINS)

say lots of silly things too

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Hillary GO Home already.

Posted by: grdn_nell | May 12, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR IVAN THE TERRIBLE.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: KAKER | May 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Run RUN the skinny black man is in town


Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I am just on for this one statement, A politician is suppose to aprove what his people say and do, so when Obama's people said McCain's military record was faked and he was not a POW but in bed with the vietcong Obama let them. This to me is low for anyone but more so for some one who does not wear the flag, put his hand over his heart to the pledge of our flag, and has never served our country where he has added a few states none of us knew exsisted. This is a man who says your votes count but told 2 states theirs do not unless they are 1/2 his, has many changes but can't list any but more taxes, and his wife is ashamed of her country, his minister hates this country and whites, and some of his backers are known terrorist. He is friends with a man who bombed building in the U.S. and proud of it while he wishes he had done more. He says he voted against the war but all he did is show up, he niether voted yea or nea. There is a saying that birds of a feather flock to gether, and you pick your freinds because they are very like you with what they beleive. So he has friends who hate this country, whites and are terrorist. Yeappers he will make a good president. And as for black or white, he is more white than black and more muslem than christian and muslems do not care if you are black, white or blue. They just care if you are muslem, if not you will be just as dead as the next guy. The sad thing is he plays black to blacks and white to whites and note I said plays.

Posted by: Kay | May 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR FLAVER FLAV WHO LOOKS LIKE OBAMA.

BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: bibijan | May 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Head for hills

OBAMA is coming to town

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR JOSEPH STALIN.
BUT NOT OBAMA.

Posted by: JEROME
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so?....

Posted by: Jerome:Stalin called, it is an intellectual movement, you don't qualify, comrade... | May 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR POL POT.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: SMITH | May 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign is smart.

Keep Hillary in the race.

Let Hillary continue to spend her and Bill's money and go deeper in debt.

Let Hillary bleed her dwindling supporters of their cash.

Let Hillary look more like the fool every day as she announces she has turned the tide.

Meanwhile, Obama moves closer to the magic delegate number of 2025 while he campaigns against McCain.

And Hillary (and Bill) continue to run in circles becoming less and less of a power in the Democratic Party.

Not a bad strategy.

Posted by: svbreeder | May 12, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR GENGHIS KHAN.
BUT NOT OBAMA.

Posted by: niceday | May 12, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR JOSEPH STALIN.
BUT NOT OBAMA.

Posted by: JEROME | May 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

And, in case you weren't aware. "Individual" means one. We are responsible COLLECTIVELY for our legislators, but we go to the polls again in November as INDIVIDUALS. See how it works?

Perhaps being more cordial to INDIVIDUALS would make it more likely that COLLECTIVELY, the main cause (electing a Democrat) would be helped was my only point in ALL of my posts today - other than the open primary one.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR MAO TSE TUNG
BUT NOT OBAMA.

Posted by: LYNCH | May 12, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama can not win in November. In general election, he can no longer simply rely on his black supporters to win states like the Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, the reddest of red states.

In general election, he can no longer rely on small groups of "organizers" to win states like Utah, Montana, the Dakotas, Idaho, and Nebraska, the other reddist red states.

In the general election, he is going to lose big in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, West Virginia because the "Reagan Democrats" are going for McCain.

In the general election, he can not win states like New Mexico, Nevada, Florida, and yes, California because the Hispanics will not vote for him.

In the general election, he can not win Connecticut, New Jersey, Rgode Island, New Hampshire, and Maine because the war id no longer a big issue there anymore and there aren;t enough black votes.

So how many states left there for him to win? Answer, less than 10 states.

Yes, Obama, if nominated, will commit the Democrats to a disasterous political defeat, most likely be more severe than any election since the Carter defeat in 1980.

Posted by: GY | May 12, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR IDI AMIN.
BUT NOT OBAMA

Posted by: DUNEK | May 12, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama has cheated in this election! He has money, he has signs, he has bumper stickers, he has support, he is running an actual campaign! Oh, the horror!!!!
How will we ever survive with a president who actually knows how to organize something? We must stop this and nominate someone who can't find his way out of a paperbag! Oh wait, I forgot, we have him in the WH already.

Posted by: stryker | May 12, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama has run the dirtiest campaign?! SHow me where. Hillary and Co. have done nothing but deride him from the start (or at least after Iowa). They've uses every trick in the rove handbook to try to steal this election, have always tried to move the goalposts, claim he's only winning because he's black (funny how most of his votges and support has come from whites), say that only hillary can win white "hard-working Americans"(guess no black work hard), claim he is an elitist (sure, you folks turn yourselves black for a couple of days and see how you get treated even with an education and a good job), and after all this and more, claim that Obama is a dirty campaigner. You people are more fun than bush supporters.

Posted by: mike l | May 12, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The OBAMA Campaign has CHEATED in this election and if Obama wins, you can contribute it all to the CHEATING tactics of the media and the Obama campaign. From the onset of this election, the MEDIA has LAUNCHED OBAMA's campaign and pushed him ahead. The OBAMA Team is the duplicate of the book "THE APPEAL", by John Gresham. This campaign started long before Hillary stepped forward. The money, the support, the signs, the bumper stickers, and the entire package... If Hillary does not win, I hope MCCain running mate will be Condoleezza Rice. They will have my vote!

Posted by: DRPolitics | May 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"We, the INDIVIDUAL voters, have to accept responsibility for nothing," writes the poster at 4:37PM, as he continues to cry about the stripped FL & MI delegates. Wrong. The INDIVIDUAL voters voted in the legislatures in those states that caused this fiasco. Those reps were you guys' call, and it's squarely on your shoulders that they caused such a mess. Quit crying, take responsibility for what YOU indeed caused, and next time you show up at the polls, vote for a legislature that won't screw you.

It's not Obama's fault, though. It's on you."

Here we go again...

I said it didn't matter what you thought about the delegate situation, and I never blamed Obama for it (or anyone else, for that matter.) I only said it's time to start treating those of us in Florida as Democrats again instead of YOUR crying that we broke the rules. No visit here is going to affect any primary outcomes. You guys got your wish. Why do you want to CONTINUE to alienate us? Have you no vision for the future beyond your petty infighting?

Individual voters who didn't choose those who changed the date were held just as accountable as those who did vote them in. As I said, fine. None of my candidates made it to Tallahassee. None of my interests were served. You are calling upon me to do the impossible and dictate my personal choice of legislators. One vote (usually) counts but it doesn't put someone in office by itself. You probably didn't vote for GWB, nor did I, but as long as you can accept responsiblity for him, then OK, your argument stands.

But, and this is a big BUT... to shun us for the general election is inexcusable. The pledge stated no campaigning for any primary held prior to Feb 5th. NOTHING, other than time and money, prevents either of them from coming here to campaign for the general election.

Whatever your stand on the delegates (and I know yours), it makes no sense to tell INDIVIDUAL voters whose vote WILL COUNT in Novemeber, "Sorry, we don't care about you in the general election either."

Some of you have such a deep seated hatred for this state and the people in it that I'd swear you were Republicans.

Posted by: OFL | May 12, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

The Wall Street and Republican Cartel will do to Obama what a baby does to a Pamper.

Posted by: wwzink01 | May 12, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

NObama better be prepared for the General Election ... against GOP McCain ... and an Independent Hillary Clinton campaign ... she's in it to win!

Posted by: Jesus Francisco Cardenas | May 12, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Is there really any point in restating the FACTS about Florida and Michigan to Clinton supporters?

Posted by: kate: will kick Obama's butt if he comes near Florida 'cause its her state! | May 12, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama's actions are Chicago politics at its worst.

Obama's actions stink.


Posted by: ObamasBelowTheBeltAttacks | May 12, 2008
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I am a good CEO

I am a good CEO

I am a good CEO

Posted by: svreader's company is an dollhouse he plays with... | May 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

How dare he even come near the state of Florida. What an arrogant...

Posted by: Kate | May 12, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"We, the INDIVIDUAL voters, have to accept responsibility for nothing," writes the poster at 4:37PM, as he continues to cry about the stripped FL & MI delegates. Wrong. The INDIVIDUAL voters voted in the legislatures in those states that caused this fiasco. Those reps were you guys' call, and it's squarely on your shoulders that they caused such a mess. Quit crying, take responsibility for what YOU indeed caused, and next time you show up at the polls, vote for a legislature that won't screw you.

It's not Obama's fault, though. It's on you.

Posted by: Natalie | May 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

My last post had nothing to do with the quoted text. I simply forgot to delete it.

The open primary topic stands on it's own.

Posted by: OFL | May 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has run the dirtiest campaign in years, while claiming to be a "saint"

For a detailed timeline of his attempts to paint Senator Clinton as dishonest in order to destroy her, see http://www.attacktimeline.com

Google "David Axelrod" to find out how Axelrod has used the same technique in every campaign he's run.

Obama's the dirtiest politician since Nixon.

Actions speak louder than words.

Obama's actions are Chicago politics at its worst.

Obama's actions stink.

Posted by: ObamasBelowTheBeltAttacks | May 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"Another reader asked -- Why do we think so highly of Senator Clinton?"

Ok, so that's what we know about Senator Clinton

http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php

Presto! Now you know everything about Obama as well. If Clinton's campaign website is good enough to know everything about her, Obama's website should be enough to know everything about him...right?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"You conservatives sure have a lot of time on your hands. You're simply trying to divide the Democrats. How come 250,000 registered Republicans in Pennsylvania voted for Mike Huckabee & Ron Paul. How come 10% of Indiana voters supported Ron Paul & Huckabee? McCain has been the nominee for two months now. Clean up your house before you tell me my lawn needs mowing."

The first thing that needs to be done away with: open primaries. What group in their right mind would allow non-members to vote on an internal matter?

I never really thought about it until I relaized that Republicans in open primary states had more of a say in MY Democratic nominating process than I did this year.

Open primaries need to go - ASAP!

If the Federal courts have already ruled that primaries are private events not subject to state election laws (and they did,) then a state cannot mandate that a party accept the results of an open primary.

Posted by: OFL | May 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

uhhh... I think a nicely written Senate biography is only a jumping off point. You learn about a person by watching them in action too. That might have also been Senator Clinton's problem...

Posted by: LABC | May 12, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Another reader asked -- Why do we think so highly of Senator Clinton?

Here's why.

From Hillary Clinton's Senate Biography --

Hillary Rodham Clinton was elected to the United States Senate by the people of New York on November 7, 2000, after years of public service on behalf of children and families. She is the first First Lady of the United States elected to public office and the first woman elected independently statewide in New York State. A strong advocate for New York, Senator Clinton works with communities throughout the state to strengthen the economy and expand opportunity. The Senator supports a return to fiscal responsibility because she knows that wise national economic policies are essential to protect America's future.

She serves on the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee; the Environment and Public Works Committee; the Special Committee on Aging; and she is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Senator Clinton worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero. She continues to work for resources that enable New York to grow, to improve homeland security for New York and other communities, and to protect all Americans from future attacks. She has introduced legislation to provide for direct and threat-based homeland security funding to ensure that first responders and high-target communities have the resources they need.

In 2004, Senator Clinton was asked by the Department of Defense to serve as the only Senate member of the Transformation Advisory Group to the Joint Forces Command. She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan; at Fort Drum in New York, home of the 10th Mountain Division; and at Walter Reed Military Hospital to learn first hand the challenges facing American combat forces. She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves.

In the Senate, she has continued her work for children and families by leading efforts to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Pediatric Research Equity Act; working to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income working families; and helping schools address environmental hazards.

Senator Clinton continues to work to increase access to health care. She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve recruitment and retention of nurses, to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs, and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism. She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment against Global AIDS, and is now leading the fight for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs and reduce medical errors.

To encourage business expansion, Senator Clinton co-sponsored legislation enacted in 2004 to extend tax credits to communities in regions designated as Renewal Communities. She has sponsored conferences and business development tours throughout the state aimed at attracting new investment; introduced legislation to increase access to broadband technology in rural areas; and serves as chair of the advisory board for New Jobs for New York.

Senator Clinton has spoken clearly about the importance of protecting our constitutional rights, respecting such landmark Supreme Court decisions as Roe v. Wade. Her commitment to supporting Roe and working to reduce the number of abortions, by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies, was hailed by the New York Times as "frank talk... (and) a promising path."

Strongly committed to making sure that every American has the right to vote in fair, accessible and credible elections - and that every vote must be counted, Senator Clinton introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005, to provide a verified paper ballot for every vote cast in electronic voting machines; set a uniform standard for provisional ballots, and require the Federal Election Assistance Commission to issue standards that ensure uniform access to voting machines and election personnel in every community.

Senator Clinton was born in Chicago, Illinois, on October 26, 1947. She is the daughter of Dorothy Rodham and the late Hugh Rodham. Her father was a small businessman and her mother a homemaker. She is a graduate of Wellesley College and Yale Law School. She is married to former President William Jefferson Clinton. They have one daughter, Chelsea.

Posted by: WhyHillaryClintonIsTheBestChoice | May 12, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Words of Wisdom,


You conservatives sure have a lot of time on your hands. You're simply trying to divide the Democrats. How come 250,000 registered Republicans in Pennsylvania voted for Mike Huckabee & Ron Paul. How come 10% of Indiana voters supported Ron Paul & Huckabee? McCain has been the nominee for two months now. Clean up your house before you tell me my lawn needs mowing.


NYC Secssion 2010

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | May 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, my meds have kicked in... Go Obama!

Posted by: Words of Wisdom (on meds) | May 12, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"We know a lot about Hillary Clinton."

You know, I see statements like this all the time. Yet I don't ever see anything on what is known about her. What exactly do Hillary supporters know that makes her so much more attractive than Obama?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 12, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

We can't afford to nominate the wrong person.

This election is way too important for that.


Posted by: ObamaSupportersActionsShowTheirTrueNature | May 12, 2008 6:46 PM

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This election is way too important to listen to the repetitious (that is your thing, svredrum) rantings of an unstable liar like you. Take some of your vast wealth to help Clinton, why don't you? But I warn you, the other patients are not going to like the monopoly game money missing...

Posted by: svreader is the CEO of an imaginary business located at the corner of crazy town... | May 12, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama is running the democratic party off a cliff - the democrats are so eager to follow him they are running at such a speed that it is impossible to stop them.

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Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama's supporters actions, especially in forums like this one, show what kind of people they truly are.

Anyone can spout nice words about bringing people together.

The key thing to keep an eye on is what they actually do.

The Obama supporters on these boards act like "thugs", personally attacking anyone who brings up anything negative about him.

Is that the kind of country we want to live in?

Do we want to have the US turn into the Soviet Union, where people were afraid to speak their minds because they were affraid for their safety and for the safety of their families?

That's the kind of America Obama's supporters would create.

There's a huge difference between bringing up questions about a candidate and attacking the people who bring up those issues.

Candidates are public figures. In the case of Obama, we have very little information to go on, because the press has failed to investigate and "vett" him, but has acted like cheerleaders for him instead.

Obama has made the election about character and judgment and then declared any questions about his character and judgment "off limits"

That's not the American way and its not acceptable.

This election is about chosing who will lead America and act as its commander in chief.

The decision of who to vote for is the most important poltical decision any of us will make in the next four years.

We need all the information we can get on all the candidates.

We know a lot about Hillary Clinton.

We know almost nothing about Barack Obama, and what we do know is deeply disturbing.

The attempts by Obama and his supporters to supress information about him, to cut off debate, to suppress the votes of Florida and Michigan, and to end the primary season before all the states have voted raises a giant red flag.

We can't afford to ignore it.

We can't afford to nominate the wrong person.

This election is way too important for that.

Posted by: ObamaSupportersActionsShowTheirTrueNature | May 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"So, I don't understand your hostility towards people like myself."

I wasn't speaking at any individual, but I have almost a visceral reaction towards anyone who claims the voters aren't responsible. I probably misinterpreted what you were saying. If you are educated on the issues and vote based on reasonable criteria, then by no means are you part of the problem.

That being said, I do wish I had done more to get others to vote against Bush. But eventually its going to be up to us to want to make the decision to keep people like Bush away from any semblance of power.

Incidentally, Clinton's anti-intellectualism has REALLY turned me off. By saying that getting an education makes you some kind of "elitist" and being knowlegable on the issues makes you some oppressor is doing a HUGE disservice to our country.

You know, all this crap Hillary is pulling might work. She might get elected president and bring healthcare to everyone and end the Iraq war and all that good stuff.

But if she fortifies this atmosphere that listening to experts is a bad thing or that somehow wearing a flag pin is patriotic while reading the newspaper is not. Then are we really better off as a nation?

I say that we aren't.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse


It is a mistake for Obama to do anything else than sew up the nomination - he needs to get the superdelegates which have been holding back.


Does Obama really believe that his position is that strong?


One extra pledged delegate is not going to sway the superdelegates.

Obama should get himself down to Puerto Rico as soon as possible - he needs to stop the bleeding down there.

At this point, Obama is going to lose West Viriginia big, lose Kentucky big - get a black eye at the DNC Rules Committee and lose Puerto Rico by a massive popular vote margin. Go ahead it really doesnt matter how Obama messes up this election, he already has by betraying his own post-racial message.

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Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 12, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton will lead us to victory.

Hillary Clinton will be a great President.


Posted by: AreTheProObamaPostersPaidShills? | May 12, 2008 6:23 PM

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when CEO's have to hide...

Posted by: svreader has many identities but one personality - LAME!!! | May 12, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

we really need to get after school activities better funded...

Posted by: snObama: your agent called and no, the HAHA shack does not want your lamea$$ back | May 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I like Republicans, I really do. But I wish they be more thoughtful. This criticism applies to NPR, Air America liberals as well. What happened to Jack Kemp types? Where'd they go? Again, let's pack it up. This country was a nice effort. But New York City, California, and anywhere else that recognizes their state or municipality is being held back, call for secession. They need us much more than we need them.
proudtobeGOP, I offer my apologies. Just say more thoughtful things. Gaffes and "liberal media" --that stuff is played out. Let's honestly debate health care. Maybe the market based strategy laid forth by McCain is the right move, maybe Obama's public/private hybrid would cover more Americans in need. But let's actually debate the issue. Sean Hannity & Chris Matthews will handle the horserace nonsense, you and I ought to debate the matter, and not let the plutocrats in D.C. split us apart.

Again, my apologies, proudtobeGOP.

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | May 12, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The more I see the Obama-nuts claiming that anyone who posts anything negative about Obama is being paid by the Clinton campaign or the RNC, the more convinced I become that people like gbooksdc are being paid by the Obama campaign.

gbooksdc runs around BBS's posting personal attacks on anyone who posts anything negative about Obama, in an attempt to supress any and all negative information about him.

The funny thing is, all it does is discredit gbooksdc and the other Obama supporters that make the posts.

Obama knows that he's losing the support of mainstream America as it becomes apparent that rather than being a "post racial" candidate, he's actually a real biggot.

From his 20 year association with a racist, anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-American "Black Liberation Theology" church, to his "joined at the hip" connection with Rev. "God Damm America" Wright, to his comments about "typical white people" Obama shows an ingrained racism that cannot be covered up.

Obama supporters act like "thugs" and practice a kind of politics that seems like something out of the Soviet Union, not the United States of America.

The only fair thing to do as this point is to let the remaining states conduct their primaries and to count the Florida and Michigan votes "as is" and then to let the superdelegates decide which candidate would be more electable.

Clinton supporters are like the "real mother" in the parable of King Solomon.

Obama supporters act like the fake one.

Clinton supporters would support a Clinton/Obama ticket to preserve party unity and to guarantee a win for Democrats in the fall.

Obama supporters want to win at all costs and to "freeze out" Clinton supporters.

Actions speak louder than words.

Obama claims to unite, but divides.

Hillary Clinton is the real Democrat.

Hillary Clinton will defeat John McCain.

Obama would lose to McCain by a landslide.

Democrats cant't afford to lose another Presidential election.

America can't afford to elect a man who has only 1.5 years of experience in the Senate and no military or management experience.

If we want to win, we need to choose Hillary Clinton.

It takes a Clinton to fix what a Bush broke.

Hillary Clinton will lead us to victory.

Hillary Clinton will be a great President.

Posted by: AreTheProObamaPostersPaidShills? | May 12, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Whatever, EVERYTHING in politics comes down to the voters. Why do you think politicians need to be so negative? Because the voters respond to it. Why do you think politicians pander? Because honesty doesn't pay. So the Florida government moves the date of the primary. How many of them do you think are going to lose their jobs? Think you need two hands to count?..."

So, I don't understand your hostility towards people like myself. Based on this post we are in agreement. I didn't vote to elect any of those who moved the date, yet I am bound by their decision. I made an informed decision and was outnumbered. Fine. I will (attempt) to hold those responsible accountable next time, but I (again) don't expect to win.

Of course the voters (collective) are responsible, but the individual voter, while having to live with the consequences, is not responsible for the acts of someone they did not support. If you disagree, then you must agree that every Democrat who never even dreamed of supporting the current Loser-in-Chief is as responsible for him as Karl Rove himself.

As I said though, counting/not counting the delegates is no longer the issue. The issue is trying to repair the damage done by this primary - no matter at whose feet the blame lies.

It's rather ironic that the right wing nutjobs accuse Democrats of sitting around Kumbaya-ing when, quite frankly, after this primary season, I fear it's my "fellow" Democrats that would sooner put a bullet in my electoral head than the right wing hatemongers solely based upon my address.

Given that the only outcome that can be affected by a Florida visit is the November General Election, the only basis ANY Democrat can have for opposing a visit at this point (from either) is a self-serving one. I've stated all along that BOTH of them should have come here AFTER Feb 5th to help lay the groundwork for the GE. Then again, I was thinking of the big picture, not the petty infighting the rest of the nation still seems consumed with. Something the DNC and the rest of the party has been unable/unwilling to do.

Sorry for my rant, but I'm tired of this debate. You "don't count the delegates" guys won. So be it. I didn't want the early date, but I didn't have a choice. I voted anyhow because there were other BINDING issues on the ballot. I didn't even vote for either of these two in the first place, but always intended to support the nominee, no matter who it was. My "fellow" Democrats now give me reason to reconsider.

Posted by: OFL | May 12, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

so this is how the Dems run a nomination. forgive us if our trust that you can run the country is limp. Just examine how utterly worthless the Dem congress has been.

the funny thing is, all the hate and vitriol that has been blamed on rovian Repubs, was clearly resident in the clintons the whole time. now Obama seems to have inherited all those mean loons to his banner.

Funny thing about the truth, it always pops up, even when liberals try to repress it.

Posted by: kingofzouk | May 12, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Amerika dont want Nigrazz fir prezidint. Amerikins want reel peepil like Hilirree. She nose that intilekshoeills ar jist stoopid an they hayt Jeeziss and the flag.

I em prowd to be in Hilirreez coalishun of deesint peepil who will keep the Nigraz frum steelin the WHITE haus.

Posted by: West Virjineea Votir | May 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

legan, If your societal contributions turn out to be 1/10th as helpful as those of your fellow alums Colin Powell and Jonas Salk, then you will have accomplished a great deal.

I don't think secession from the union will really be the answer.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"Obama Campaign Strategy #1: Come up with new and creative ways to call the opponnent a racist."

Well, I'll withold calling you a liar by giving you an opportunity to show an example where Obama or his top people have done this.

I mean, if you can't, then you're clearly a liar.

but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Happy Hunting!

Posted by: DDAWD | May 12, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

ProudtobeGOP,


First of all, CCNY isn't a community college. Colin Powell, Jonas Salk and A. Phillip Randolph are all CCNY graduates. But that was a nice effort. Secondly, if you'd raise an issue, not "gaffes,"I'd gladly respond. But I guess you're more American than me, right? This is why I don't even want the left to participate anymore. It's too big of a country. We'll never convince people like you to help others, so let's give up. You take your states, and we'll take ours.

NYC Secession 2010, seriously!

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | May 12, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Reading these comments used to interesting. Every now and again, someone would put forth a nugget, like the poster who called svreader the "Baghdad Bob of the Blogs", or the person who put forth Bob Graham as a VP candidate with Obama. These days, though, it's all agitprop. Pro-Clinton/anti-Obama disinformation paid for by the RNC as part of Operation Chaos. You can't reason with these people, because again, they're paid to post disinformation. It's like arguing with Rush Limbaugh.

The GOP strategy in 2004 was to get their turnout up. That failed in 2006, so I guess they've turned to trying to flip Dems or get Dems to stay at home.

Anyway, as for these comments: I've stopped wasting my time. Obama's going to be the next President. If you spend maybe five minutes thinking about it (and I'll grant you the ability to think critically is in short supply), it's patently obvious. But Clinton types aren't that bright -- Hillary will literally lose because there enough dumb people to vote for her -- and they're used to doing what they are told, so they think if they tell themselves she has a chance, over and over again, we'll believe it. After all, they do.

And then they wonder why their jobs get shipped overseas to people who can barely speak English ...

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 12, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

"BOYCOTT CNN & MSNBC for manipulating the Presidential election with the biased pushing of obama before researching.

http://www.dontvoteobama.net. "

Interesting site.

Seems like Obama wants to dismantle the military

Posted by: DDAWD | May 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Bunch of fascist idiots. Goebells called, he wants his slot back with Hannity

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | May 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Let me recap so we can get on with my swearing in:
1 will you raise taxes - yes
2 will you lose the war - yes
3 - will you give everyone free doctors - yes
4 - do you have any experience - yes
5 - are you a fake - no
6 - will you kill free trade - yes and no, depends who you ask.
7 - can I go to college for free - yes
8 - do you hate america - who told you?

OK, I have answered like 8 questions already. now I need to get on with the people's business as President. can I go back to waffling now?

Posted by: snObama | May 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The DNC screwed up in its rulings on Fla and MI. Those states' Dem party leaders screwed up BIG time in violating those rulings when the result (not counting their votes) was clear. The candidates all agreed those states would not count -- including specifically, out loud and in public, HRC, back when she thought she was the leader because no one had voted yet and when she was trying to win votes in NH and Iowa. No way to count them now -- period. You can't change rules in mid-election. The best that can be done is a negotiated settlement that both candidates can support. Obama has agreed to the compromise suggested by MI leaders, but HRC did not. No surprise there. Not to worry, after she gets her wins in WV and KY and finds some way to pay her $20m debt, this election will be over even for her.

Posted by: Dolph924 | May 12, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

legan00@ccny.cuny.edu , proving the value of a community college education, resorts back to Obama Campaign Strategy #1: Come up with new and creative ways to call the opponnent a racist.

Forget unity, change, coming together...that was all B.S. Just revert back to Campaign Stragtegy #1 whenever confronted with issues.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"BOYCOTT CNN & MSNBC for manipulating the Presidential election with the biased pushing of obama before researching. "

too late, nobody watches them anymore already.

Posted by: kingofzouk | May 12, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

snObama says "now you wouldn't want to dissppoint a kid would you?"


Coming from an effete arugula liberal who has already answered, like, eight questions, I'll have to say yes.

Funny how snObama has tried his best to shoo away the pesky elitist label. Accused by a reporter of looking like a GQ cover, he said he has only four pairs of shoes and buys "five of the same suit and then I patch them up and wear them repeatedly."

But his campaign refused to reveal the brand, presumably because it's not Jacques Penney.


To recap, that's, like, 8 questions, 4 pairs of Bruno Maglis, 5 Valentino's, and , like, several dozen waffles.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

ProudtobeGOP,


You're not an intelligent person. Your party's platform is indefensible, so you race-bait and yell HE'S BLACKKK!!!!!!!! Why don't you debate the issues instead of acting like a fourteen year old. Additionally, your life must be pretty comfortable that you waste hours on here. It's Monday. Go to work. You're just an apologist for rich white America. Joseph McCarthy called, he wants his style back. Who's the elitist now? Go make fun of blacks or hispanics, or whichever brown skinned people Sean Hannity tells you to this week. Pick up a book.


New York City Secession 2010 (And people like proudtobeGOP are the reason we must.)

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | May 12, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky and WV, I don't realy have time to visit you. I still haven't even run my only committee I was assigned. As you know the Dem congress hasn't passed a budget and has reneged on all but one campaign promise. I certainly understand why you are so bitter at your treatment, I would be too if I was a poor dumb yokel like you. Please return to clinging to god and guns until I return next year with a new big giant government to solve all your ills.

Posted by: snObama | May 12, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The math will go for Clinton in the popular vote by June 3rd even without MI and FL. Just you wait.

Although, I don't vote, I don't live in the US mainland, and I hardly knew the candidates before these primaries; I always knew Hillary Rodham Clinton was the best possible candidate.

Obama won't win the presidency against McCain either. Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election%2C_2008#Predicted_results_.28using_latest_polling_when_available.29
There you can see Clinton vs. McCain, Clinton wins by quite a few electoral votes, while if you scroll down you see Obama vs. McCain, and who wins is McCain by quite a few electoral votes.

Posted by: Someone | May 12, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry; I don't want a bunch of uneducated people choosing my next President.

After all, _The Federalist Papers_ make it very clear that America's version of democracy is set up for "enlightened citizenry", and if the uneducated people don't want to enlighten themselves (i.e. get a library card and read for free, at the very least!), that's their problem.

Educated and smart Dems in this country choose Obama for a reason, the least of which is his integrity -- something the Clintons have none of! After all, what did Hillary do when her husband was diddling a twentysomething girl? She looked the other way, denying a reality all of us knew back in 1992.

Same way she ran her campaign, too, huh?

Posted by: Ph.D. Stan | May 12, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama is going to have serious problems in places like Florida and Michigan where he fought very hard to keep delegates that would have gone to Hillary.

He better start thinking of putting her on the ticket

Posted by: LES | May 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Reason Obama said he wanted to be President of ALL 57 states. Only problem U.S. doesn't have 57, but...Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization grouping fifty seven states which have decided to pool their resources together, combine their efforts, and speak with one voice to safeguard the interests and secure the progress and well-being of their peoples and of all Muslims in the world.

BOYCOTT CNN & MSNBC for manipulating the Presidential election with the biased pushing of obama before researching.

http://www.dontvoteobama.net.

VOTERS DEMAND Obamas tell America about their relationship with Ayers, Gadaffi Syrian tycoon, Antoin Rezko, Saudi Arabian Scheiks and Nadhami Auchi, Iraqi billionaire, global arms dealer who was best friends with Saddam Hussein, and the main financial backer for Saddam's Iraqi -Saudi oil pipeline, and stood trial with Saddam Hussein for conspiring to assassinate Iraqi President Qasim. VOTERS are concerned why CNN & MSNBC refuse to question those relationships, coupled with Obama's 20 plus yrs with Rev. Wright shows a serious pattern, which Obama seems quite comfortable with people who really, really, really HATE U.S of America. If you question him or his values or policies, you're part of the "divisive, distracting" practices voters associate with Washington. Them's the Obama Rules.

Obama's chief political adviser David Alexrod on National Public Radio claimed white working class Democrats barely exist and hardly matter, white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, This is not new WE don't need or rely solely on those votes.

Obama wants to impose 20% tax on cost of Barrel Of Oil Above $80 which again drives up Cost Of Gasoline On Americans! why doesn't Obama Acknowledge Fuel Costs For Truckers Hurt The American Consumer? Increasing Cost Of Everything Including Food, Retail, And Manufactured Goods.

Obama Claims That He Does Not Accept Contributions From Federal Lobbyists, records show he has accepted $128,000 From Lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Obama calls For Higher Income Taxes, Social Security Taxes, Investment Taxes, And Corporate Taxes, As Well As "Massive New Domestic Spending and a healthcare plan that perhaps could be the next step to a full-scale, single-payer system.

Obama Pandered To MoveOn.org By Promising Not To Fund Troops In Iraq In The Future. "Eli Pariser, [MoveOn.org's] Executive Director, told ABC news but Obamas senate record shows he voted against bringing troops home, voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater, voted with Bush/Chaney posturing S433 to suspend any troop withdrawal which keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come.

Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption.
Obama Said The U.S. Needs To Focus On Afghanistan, Obama has held Zero hearings as Chairman Of The Subcommittee On European Affairs. "Doubts about Barack Obama's presidential credentials have crystallized over his stewardship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Subcommittee on European Affairs, which has convened no policy hearings since he took over as its chairman last January.

Obama inconsistent explaining how Genocide in Iraq would affect his plan for withdrawal: Ambassador Crocker said that a quick withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq could result in genocide and if that began to emerge as an issue, would you stop the withdrawal?" Obama: of course. Obama Previously Said Preventing Genocide Would Not Be A Sufficient Reason To Remain In Iraq.

Why Is Barack Obama Silent On SEIU Attacks After Denouncing Similar Independent Expenditures Earlier In The Primaries? Labor Unions And Other Independent Groups Have Already Spent Over $7.1 Million In Support Of Obama's Campaign for the presidential nomination, campaign records show.

Obama's racial stereotype of the 'typical White person' and his view of the 'typical small town person.quoted as disparaging residents of small towns in Pennsylvania as being "like a lot of small towns in the Midwest" where "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Obama is unapologetic, even dissing of voters in Florida and Michigan one has to wonder what groups of Americans he really respects?

Racist wife, Michelle, saying she was proud of America "for the first time" only because of her husband's presidential run.

Obama explained he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or hold his hands to his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance because it is a substitute for patriotism,

Obama loses to Hillary Clinton in a face to face debate in Phil, next day gives her the finger behind her back in a speech in NC. What a man! And the Obama fans were laughing with him, reminding me of the congregation in Reverend Wright's church cheering and patting him on the back during his racist sermons

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine what Obama supporters will talk about if Hillary drops out. How many more times will we have to hear that he did some community service work in Chicago and about the one ethics bill he worked on in the Senate. He hasn't done anything else and he won't tell anyone what he plans to do once he is President. Change we can believe, what is that suppose to mean, believe in something that might happen in the future? Obama, just another politician with a meaningless slogan.

Posted by: Jann | May 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has less favorable rating in West Virginia than Bush. That should definitely hurt Obama nuts a lot." --Posted by: Low Approval Rating Than Bush | May 12, 2008 4:07 PM

Why would it hurt Obama supporters? The rest of the campaign has more than enough African Americans, young white Americans, college-educated and white-collar professionals to offset your backward, less-educated, racist tendencies. Enjoy your day in the sun, West Virginia and Kentucky. Night will return soon.

Posted by: wpreader2007 | May 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"How about all the other demographics - African Americans, college students, the better educated? I think in this election the numbers with those groups are going to be more than enough to offset disgruntled "white, working-class voters"."

You have to believe that implicit in Hillary's logic is that the above mentioned demographics are going to vote for the Dem nominee no matter what. That's the only logic I can see in choosing the candidate with fewer votes and delegates. The people who are supporting Hillary are the ones more likely to switch to Republican, so should be paid more attention to.

Anyone disagree with my logic?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry: didn't ALL the candidates agree in the fall to the stripping of MI and FL delegates?

Why would ANY of them renege on that now?

Posted by: TokenMcP | May 12, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey CC:

Why don't you report that Obama was willing to accept a compromise in MI to seat the delegation, where Clinton would have gotten exactly four fewer delegates -- but Clinton refused?

Or do you have some more videos of rude photo seekers to run?

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"You need to talk to the infamous TED KENNEDY, who lost ALL the delegate and popular vote, went on to win nomination."

What? Ted Kenndey did not win the nomination. Kennedy did take the fight to the convention, but LOST to Carter. Get your facts straight before posting blatantly inaccurate rubbish!

Posted by: NM Moderate | May 12, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I've had it with the media wringing their hands over Obama's seeming inability to connect with "white, working-class voters" - as if they're the only voters standing in his path to the White House.

How about all the other demographics - African Americans, college students, the better educated? I think in this election the numbers with those groups are going to be more than enough to offset disgruntled "white, working-class voters".

Posted by: wpreader2007 | May 12, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | May 12, 2008 3:10 PM - I see our friend, svreader is back, posting annonymously, now. ANd, "it" is still living in some delussional world created just for Cltinon nuts. Look, Florida's demographics are overwhelmingly Republican and becoming more so by the day. The hispanic vote is solidly Republican and all of those seasoned citizens have voted for Bush and the right ever since they got the bejesus scared out of them with accusations of Democrats taking their prescription drug entitlement. They don't care about Iraq or China or free trade, except if it affects their investments going up. Sacrifice a few young lives in some god foresaken Arab country? Sure, so long as their stocks go up. Bankrupt the budget? Fine, pass along the deficit to those whiney young kids, but by god they're going on a Caribean cruise, or visit the relatives in New York, yadda yadda. The governor's office, the Florida House and Senate, the overwhelming number of local offices are all solidly Republican. The few Democrats elected have stances on core issues that the greedy geezers and Cuban exiles and assorted hispanic refugee-wannabee-freedom fighters all demand. Hillary has played to this crowd, but in a general election, only Carl Rove could manage to pull that off without frightening the rest of the country away. Same thing with West Virginia and those rural racists that she crows about. They are an embarrassment, as are the Clintoista's.... As of right now, she is toast, not just as Presidential materia, but as a politician in general. Hillary need to cave before she embarrasses herself so badly she cannot get elected local dogcatcher in Mayberry.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Proud - those are all the old political measures. I will win because I am able to promise the longest list of free stuff with a straight face. besides all you 100 million rich people can pay for all our stuff with no hardship whatsoever.

Just please ignore my wife's carping about the piano lessons and all. We would prefer someone else pay for them too. And I told my kids that their america would have free ice cream everywhere they went. now you wouldn't want to dissppoint a kid would you?

Posted by: snObama | May 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post and the Obama-nuts are causing untold damage to the Democratic Party and to the country.

The primaries have had the feeling of a "rigged election" from the beginning.

Rather than vetting Obama, who made incredibly arrogant claims with noting to back them up, the press has acted like his cheerleaders and suppressing everything negative about him, only facing the truth when there was simply no way to ignore it.

The Washington Post knew about Rev. Wright from the beginning of Obama's campaign but chose to do nothing.

They knew about "Obama's Slums" but chose to do nothing about it.

They knew about his connection with "Black Liberation Theology" but chose to do nothing about it.

They knew about his repeated use of Cocaine, but chose to do nothing about it

They knew about the fact that he took credit for bills in Chicago that were actually done by other people, but chose to do nothing about it.

They adopted a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, simply because they believed it would sell more newspapers and because they were afraid of offending AA's.

The truth will come out before November, not matter what they do.

The difference is that instead of losing the primaries, Obama will lose the general election to McCain.

Like Obama, when ethics called for taking a stand on an important moral issue, they did nothing.

That's not acceptable.

They're better people than that.

The Washington Post is a better paper than that as well.

Posted by: ThisFeelsLikeRussiaNotTheUS | May 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"And I once worked where you are on the print side"


Did they have spell-checker back then?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how Hillary's supporters are so adament that she will win the nomination, but are not willing to send $5 to her campaign. What's the problem, are you concerned that she'll use your $5 to pay herself back for the millions that she "loaned" to her campaign. Ain't that a beaoch, your contributions to her campaign are donatons, but hers are loans--interestring!!! A person who is not willing to invest in themselves is definately not going to get me to invest in them.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Why is it, and I'm sure the answer is evident, that Hillary Clinton's pastor who was recently charged with being a pedifile has not REALLY made news like Obama's pastor? Now I hear that there's a scandalous story out there re McCain's paster now. But I'm sure like Hillary's pastor, we won't about them in all the news c ycles for two weeks.

I tell you, what the media honchos push and pull is always very interesting. And I once worked where you are on the print side -- 20 years.

Posted by: Freya Lineberger | May 12, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama has to turn away from feeding into Hillary Clinton's race baiting, carpetbagging campaign and work to defeat the lackluster, sorry and no-account republican standard bearer, John McCain. The voters in West Virginia have a right to vote their support for Hillary if that is what they want, and it is likely that Hillary's race baiting will resonate strongly among white West Virginians.

Hillary's media support now comes from the likes of the dope fiend and bigot, Rush Limbaugh, and the North Carolina republican party who ran ads in North Carolina to help Hillary, to no avail.

Obama has the responsibility of not only crushing the lacksluster John McCain, but of carrying the Democratic party to a solid arse-whipping of the entire republican party after they trashed the nation for the past 7 1/2 years. Republicans may be in denial now, but they should look to have their rear ends handed to them in November.

Posted by: DCSage | May 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama hijacking the nomination before the votes are counted? Why does he fear allowing people to vote? What's next? Does he crown himself king? People in Florida and Michigan already voted. He lost.

Posted by: Bill | May 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"How thoughtful of you to leave out most of the statement."

Whatever, EVERYTHING in politics comes down to the voters. Why do you think politicians need to be so negative? Because the voters respond to it. Why do you think politicians pander? Because honesty doesn't pay. So the Florida government moves the date of the primary. How many of them do you think are going to lose their jobs? Think you need two hands to count?

We could have a MUCh better government if people took their jobs as voters more seriously. Yeah, the Federal government has failed the people, but who are the clowns who voted in Bush TWICE? The voter is ALWAYS responsible. I really HATE this notion people have about holding politicians responsible for the poor Washington culture, but not taking the time to read the newspaper or not voting or voting for completely ass-backwards reasons. Oh, really, is Obama's flag pin SO important? I mean it's of the utmost importance that Hillary decided to stay with Bill, right?

Yeah, the individual matters, the individual ALWAYS matters. If people of Florida take some baseless accusation of Obama sinking a revote and use that as an excuse to vote against him, then yes, they are responsible. Just because politicians continue to pander doesn't mean that basic fact is not true.

I guess that's why we elect panderers. It's a lot easier than being asked to work for our democracy.

Sorry for the rant, but this sort of stuff just really gets me riled up.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

We know how excited Chris is about Obama but I do not share his enthusiasm. I agree with some of the commenters that Obama has no real experience in no single category. It's hard to understand what he's accomplished in his career. Did he even make it to partner at his law firm? I just don't understand the fascination. Chris, you certainly are fascinated --- your coverage of his is quite biased.

Posted by: stone | May 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama has to turn away from feeding into Hillary Clinton's race baiting, carpetbagging campaign and work to defeat the lackluster, sorry and no-account republican standard bearer, John McCain. The voters in West Virginia have a right to vote their support for Hillary if that is what they want, and it is likely that Hillary's race baiting will resonate strongly among white West Virginians.

Hillary's media support now comes from the likes of the dope fiend and bigot, Rush Limbaugh, and the North Carolina republican party who ran ads in North Carolina to help Hillary, to no avail.

Obama has the responsibility of not only crushing the lacksluster John McCain, but of carrying the Democratic party to a solid arse-whipping of the entire republican party after they trashed the nation for the past 7 1/2 years. Republicans may be in denial now, but they should look to have their rear ends handed to them in November.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Why does Obama appeal to newsmen, pundits and TV personalities anyway?

he is not a man's man, so what is it?

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | May 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Hi, I"m Obama and I've made certain that your votes in florida won't count for sh!t!

Posted by: | May 12, 2008 2:43 PM

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Hi Obama, I'm Hillary and I was with you until you kicked my butt in 12 States straight, now I will make sure Florida votes count or die trying!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Putting Obama's Inexperience Into Perspective

He's never run anything at all, not even a small law practice like John Edwards. Besides his campaign, probably the biggest thing he's ever run was the Harvard Law Review.

He has nothing resembling national security experience or even particularly sustained advocacy on the issue before announcing his candidacy in 2007. The man has apparently hardly even traveled to Europe, to pick one example.

He is running in a contested election outside the insular world of Chicago politics for the first time and has never had any sort of responsibility for political leadership.

He's never served in the military and seems to have scarcely any experience even knowing people who served in the military.

His private-sector business background is negligible.

Are any of these things disqualifying from the Presidency? No. But electing a man who is so seriously lacking in all of them is indeed unprecedented. And that is and should be a central issue in this campaign.


http://baseballcrank.com/archives2/2008/05/politics_yes_ex.php


Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Dean said he would let Obama and Hillary choose how to deal with Fla and MI, hillary says let them count, bo says no. Obama does not want Florida and Michigan to count until he is safe. Anyone who think Barack Obama isn't politics as usual needs to get their head out of the sand.

Posted by: Jessi | May 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

there are some doors that need to be shut,


and some lawsuits filed to recover funds spent unlawfully.


there's also some trials for war crimes and treason regarding being directed by ISRAEL in policy, as well as colluding with the Brits and Sand Bros. to defraud the United States Government...


I would love to have some treasonists executed....at the least...

although half-hanging and drawing and quartering them in the MALL is looking "MIGHTY FINE" right now


sort of undo the evil kinda thing, you know undo the Gordian knot kinda thing by just cutting through a few lives, I think I hear Levinworth calling you....and "The Hague," oooooooooo la la what a day it will be.........


ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......


ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........

ha ha ha ...

.

DON't FORGET THIS,

THE REPULSIVE SCAMMERS HOPE YOU FORGET THE LAST 8 YEARS AS THE DEMOCRATS DID IN 1992....


DON'T !!!!


As Bill Clinton was about to take office, there were other lingering questions about secret Republican dealings with Saddam Hussein's Iraq during the 1980s. The CIA allegedly had assisted in arranging third-country supplies of sophisticated armaments to Saddam Hussein in his border war with Iran.

President Bush had angrily denounced such charges after they were raised following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. But a number of witnesses were alleging that the CIA had helped arrange the supplies, including cluster bombs to Iraq through Chile.

In 1992-93, the Democrats were in a strong position to get to the bottom of all these historic questions that had so entangled U.S. foreign policy in the 1980s. The Democrats controlled both houses of Congress as well as the White House. Walsh was furious with Bush's Iran-contra pardons and was considering impaneling a new grand jury to force Bush's testimony. [See Walsh's book, Firewall, for more details.]

Getting answers to these questions also made policy sense, if for no other reason than it was important for the new administration to know where diplomatic mine fields might be hidden in this delicate geopolitical landscape.

Shutting Down

But the Democrats -- led by then-House Speaker Tom Foley and Rep. Lee Hamilton -- chose a very different course. Apparently believing that battling for answers would distract from the domestic policy agenda, such as passage of a universal health care plan, the Democrats chose to shut down all the investigations.

In December 1992, Foley signaled Bush that he would have no problem with the Iran-contra pardons. After the pardons were issued, a few Democrats groused but no hearings were held and no formal explanation was demanded, even though this may have been the first time a president had used his pardon powers to protect himself from possible incrimination.

After the Inauguration, the Clinton administration offered no help to Walsh in arranging declassification of documents that would have aided his investigation. When Bush refused to submit to an interview with Walsh's prosecutors, the Democrats made not a peep about this final move to obstruct the Iran-contra investigation.

Faced with a lack of political support, Walsh decided not to call Bush before a grand jury and shut down his office.

On the 1980 Iran issue, a congressional task force chose to obscure or cover up the new evidence of Republican guilt. Bani-Sadr's letter was misrepresented in the task force's report as mere speculation. Bani-Sadr's detailed account of the interplay inside the Iranian government was simply ignored.

Only those who bothered to dig through the task force report's appendix could find out what the Iranian president had actually said. Not a single story about Bani-Sadr's letter appeared in major newspapers.

In an odd twist, the task force accepted the testimony about deMarenches's account of Republicans meeting Iranians in Paris as "credible," but then incongruously dismissed it as irrelevant, since it conflicted with Republican denials.

The extraordinary Russian report describing what Soviet intelligence files had shown about the Republican-Iran initiative was simply hidden. There was no serious follow-up with the Russians to determine how solid their intelligence was and how they had obtained the information.

SEARCH ON Russians, October Surprise, Cater, Paris, Robert M. Gates, George H.W. Bush


get to know a little history.


.


first things first: shut down halliburton, bechtel, kbr, blackwater, dyncorp's involvement in IRAQ...conscript the contractors and make them work for GSA at GS scale wages


it's a national security issue. we don't get what we pay for. and I don't remember paying to have IRAQ's infrastructure destroyed so the citizenry couldn't protest the oil theft shunt...


climb on buttheads, O'leary


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Posted by: god on his constitutional... | May 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

As if Senator Obama needed any help in the general election, along comes Bob Barr to cement the win for the democrats. Thanks Bob, America salutes you.

Posted by: pj451 | May 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

So many posts, so few of any redeeming value.

Posted by: nclwtk | May 12, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

part of it is...


howsomever


you simple minion of corporate thinking...

don't seem to realize that whoever becomes president

could rescind the funding of IRAQ, or at least put them on GS SCALE WAGES...


stop the CIA BASED DRUG TRAFFICKING in

Colombia
Peru
Afghanistan
Mexico
San Diego
LA
New York


and most major cities in the world


as AFGHANISTAN supplied 93 PERCENT of the WORLDS HEROIN last year..


that's a lot of rubles


dooble...


so yes, this is "The Washington Post,"

and democracy is under assault by greed...

mark it well dooble, it is your time to act against it


rather than reaching for the soap, again.

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Posted by: god | May 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, what can Obama do? He can't push her off the boat. The old woman will just keep on soldering on like those time forgotten Japanese soldiers so he might as well let her carry on with whatever she feels that she needs to do. Whatever makes her happy. She is like one of those grannies in some families who is on the brink of losing her sanity even though everybody around her insist treating her as normal.

She should really check herself into a mental institution. She is plainly crazy.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"We, the INDIVIDUAL voters, have to accept responsibility for nothing."

Must be a nice feeling to have


How thoughtful of you to leave out most of the statement.

If you were capable of reading a complete paragraph, or not a dishonest shill, you'd have understood that my statement has to do with healing the rift for November, not the merits of seating/not seating the delegates to the convention. But, you just want to continue the Democratic divide.

The punishment is what it is, the continued snub and personal attacks on the people who live in these two states doesn't need to be and the sooner the rest of the party realizes that, the better.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

God. Is this Washington Post?

Posted by: Jim | May 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if I can accept your take or not Chris. On the one hand, we could expect an Idealist like Obama to put the cart before the horse or he is really just running a primary contest. In any event planning a future with the McCain camp shows immaturity in the political process. He is already talking to the enemy.

Look, a grass roots movement can be exploited by keeping the movement on the ground through the primary process. There are lots of voters crossing over of their own accord, just like a populus movement. I mean you did notice the Presidential ratings today right ? And another sign is Rove trying to change reality by saying, "Don't look behind that curtain, I am the Great Wizard of Oz".

So, by staying on the ground and focused on the current contest, the advantages are more democratic votes, more campaign money and more exposure through airtime. Axelrod has messed up several times and this is one of those deals that you only get one shot.

Overall, people have to look at what is the best choice for our economy, gasolene prices, housing crisis, wars and foreign relations. I mean it is all well and good that Civil Rights are marching on, but we need the best of the best right now, not rookies. I mean, what would team owners do faced in a similiar situation during the draft ?

Posted by: Mark W. | May 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

King of the Weasels, Lanny-boy Davis was hawking as much dirt as he could with King of racists, Hannity (second only to Limburger) because Hil-liary would rather join the right against Obama in her desperation to win. Shameless. Of course these boys had their flag pins-on, grinning with hatred of Obama, the good Christians that they (aren't).

Posted by: Michael, Phila., PA | May 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

HELLO!?

The FL and MI delegates WILL be seated at the Convention. The Pro-Hillary delegations will be counted (even though EVERYONE agreed in advance not to count them, INCLUDING Hillary). Anway, Obama doesn't need them to win the delegate or popular vote count anymore.

So, with that issue gone, what are these "Operation Chaos" people going to pull next? Obama does not deserve the nomination because he only won the pledged delegates by 15%, and not 20%?!?

Give me a break.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

If the media is not willing to question Obama, then I guess we have a responsibility to ask who he is?

Check out The New American Disenfranchisement and participate in the Obama Truth Week at

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com

Posted by: JT | May 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP writes:

...Only the loony left will excuse any gaffe.....

@@@@@@@@@

I'm sorry but isn't W in the GOP and don't
7 out of 10 repubs still support him?

If I'm from the 'looney left' then you're
from the retarded right.

(Apologies to the mentally challenged).

@@@@@@@@

Posted by: proudtobedumb | May 12, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"We, the INDIVIDUAL voters, have to accept responsibility for nothing."

Must be a nice feeling to have

Posted by: DDAWD | May 12, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"YES WE CAN... YES WE CAN... YES WE CAN."


Sounds like potty-training time again.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I guess, "my anger," is displaced....


eh!? How many millions of people have died so that bushCO and CRONYs can steal oil?


how many thousands of lives have been wrecked so that they get to use the Military and the CIA as a business tool for their business ventures as AMERICANS lives go down the toilet....


and these perps have never done anything in their lives except use the system to their benefit, and that includes skewing Congresses priorities...

and these VERMIN, have the audacity to speak of welfare, and social systems as if they were talking of some horror...

they are the horrors....

and you sir, in your attacks against Hillary Clinton, support them, are a part of them, sorry. I suppose in your "vast knowledge," you know what is going on???


then tell my why we have a DoJ letter of understanding that allows the CIA to drug traffic in AFGHANISTAN y Colombia...


_ILLEGAL_ _UNLAWFUL_ occupation of IRAQ.

that's a surprise to you neh!?

Cheney, Douglas Feith alternative intelligence....


controlling the intelligence Agencies with the formation of the National Intelligence Agency and then appointing John Negroponte' to head it like he headed the muzzling of truth in Honduras...


show me your knowledge shallots of deceit...


connect Hillary to those things as a "recipient of gain"


otherwise, you are apparently a member of bushCO and CRONYs...maybe you're the ambassador of Poland Victor Ashe or Ken Mehlman RNC FUDGE PACKER EXTRAORDINAIRE' neh!?


.ps. sometimes anger is a good thing, feigned superiority is a tawdry thing to hide ignorance.


..


Posted by: tesseractsof silence inaction. | May 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Proud to have voted for Obama in the primary... will vote for him again in November. Imagine a president who can actually pronounce the name of the world leader standing next to him! (I'm looking at you Mr. President) Imagine a president young and focused enough not to fall asleep during meetings! (I'm looking at you Senator McCain!) Imagine someone who can begin to repair the damage done by unilateral and unnecessary military action. Whatever happened to RealPolitick?

Posted by: kristianjl | May 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) - Governor Manchin is taking offense to an upcoming film that uses negative stereotypes of West Virginians.

The horror thriller "Shelter" is recruiting extras with unusual physical features for a scene in a West Virginia "holler." Those scenes are scheduled to be shot starting Sunday in the Pittsburgh area.

The casting call says the film is looking for extras who are extraordinarily tall or short, those with unusual body shapes and unusual facial features, and even people with physical abnormalities.

Posted by: Pete | May 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Chris - Just got an email from John Cornyn offering to pay cash to walk for him. The unknown Noriega is only 5 points down in the polls. Are the Republicans in this much trouble?

Posted by: Brad | May 12, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

duh republizcans azzmonkey???


duh bamab oy

yes he is yesheis....yeshi

.

Posted by: who | May 12, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Ask yourself why the most influential super delegates are not rushing in to Obama??"

What a surprise. When Obama won more states, Hillary and company whined that he only won the states that "don't matter". When Obama got a higher number of votes, Hillary and company whined that the only people who voted for him are ones who "don't matter".

And, of course, now that Obama has more superdelegates, Hillary and company whine that the only supers who support him are the ones who "don't matter".

Too bad for Hillary and company that all us people who "don't matter" apparantly matter enough to, you know, pick the Democratic candidate.

Posted by: Christoffel | May 12, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the headline really be, "BO Flips Off Remaining Voters?"

Posted by: GM | May 12, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

There's a lot of people from all sides talking a lot of smack on the blog. Forget the negativity and know that

YES WE CAN... YES WE CAN... YES WE CAN....

Obama 08

Posted by: Alice | May 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

HEAD OF DHS, "We support terrorism as a way of avoiding jailtime."

Chertoff is a master of cover-up. He defended a financier of Osama bin Laden and kept him out of jail. He looked the other way during the investigation into the death of White House lawyer Vince Foster. Chertoff advised the White House and CIA on the legality of torture. No one said a word about any of this, and now Chertoff is in Bush's Cabinet as Director of Homeland Security.

The 9/11 Money
The June 20, 2000 Bergen County Record reported that attorney Michael Chertoff defended Dr. Magdy Elamir, a suspected terrorist financier. Dr. Elamir's HMO was sued by the State of New Jersey to recoup $16.7 million in losses. At least $5.7 million was unaccounted for, funneled "to unknown parties ... by means of wire transfers to bank accounts where the beneficial owner of the account is unknown."

Magdy Elamir financially supported the Al Salam Mosque, where the blind Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman preached before he was arrested for his alleged role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

This is the same Dr. Magdy Elamir who was featured in the Dateline NBC investigation with Randy Glass. In fact, Glass said he had spoken with Dr. Elamir as part of his under-cover infiltration of the ISI-linked arms dealers. "Dateline" reported that intelligence reports accused Dr. Elamir of having "had financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years." During a recorded telephone conversation with Glass Elamir's brother, Mohamed, tried to purchase "small arms and ammunition."

In the words of attorney Lynne Stewart, even the most despicable deserve representation. But as Stewart knows, unless you have White House connections, defending the despised carries a high price. Stewart faces 30 years in prison for actions taken in defense of the Blind Sheikh. Dr. Elamir was a suspect in a highly-monitored, sensitive operation at the center of the secret history of 9/11. But thanks to Michael Chertoff, Elamir was not charged.

"Dateline" reported that Dr. Elamir and his corporations paid at least $5,000 to arms dealer Diaa Moshen. In an ambush interview on camera, Dr. Elamir referred to Moshen as "a family friend."

"By the time Operation Diamondback culminated in arrests in the summer of 2001, Michael Chertoff was the assistant attorney general in charge of the criminal division. Operation Diamondback would have fallen under his purview since it was a criminal case and not a counterterrorism case," said researcher Allan Duncan.

That means that after defending an alleged financier of 9/11, Chertoff became a prosecutor who should have prosecuted the same financier. In fact, there was a brief period before the verdict on Elamir came in and after Chertoff was nominated, in which there was an overlap between the two.

Chertoff served as assistant attorney general of the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice from 2001 to 2003. The post is the same one Robert Mueller held when he stymied Senator John Kerry's investigation into BCCI.

Master of Finances
In October 2001, fresh from his defense of El-Amir, Chertoff was picked by the White House to head Operation Green Quest, the multi-agency initiative to target sources of funding for terrorist organizations. Chertoff told the Associated Press on Oct. 25, 2001 that, "The lifeblood of terrorism is money, and if we cut the money we cut the blood supply."

Two years later, former White House terrorism expert Richard Clarke stated, "The US effort to shut down financial support for terrorist networks is being seriously hampered by a government reorganization that has left the most experienced agencies without any real power." Clarke was a counter-terrorism expert in the Clinton and Bush administrations until he left government in disgust in 2003. "The decision to put the Federal Bureau of Investigation in charge of terror finance investigations, and to give new powers to the Department of Homeland Security, [has] set the campaign back." (1)

In Congressional testimony, Clarke seemed to agree with Glass's assessment of the FBI: "Having the current structure where the FBI is in charge and tells everybody else what to do, is a recipe, I think for failure...The FBI by tradition doesn't co-operate well with other federal agencies and it doesn't share information. It treats other federal agencies as second-class participants in the overall effort."

While head of Green Quest, Michael Chertoff played a central role in formulating U.S. anti-terrorism policy, which included a vast expansion of police powers and the secret detention of hundreds of Middle Easterners in the United States. Chertoff was one of the chief architects of Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act, also known as the International Money Laundering Abatement and Financial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001.


like some posters HERE, don't get paid...


with "the citizens monies,"


right, that would never happen....


what crap, we have eunuchs in the FBI, CIA and NSA

watching our country be pillaged.


another bushCO and CRONYs banking scandal ??? who could have predicted that


Union Bank, BCCI oh my! Silverado...do tell


.FOAD.

Posted by: watching you too, binkee boy | May 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

it's interesting isn't it????

the rot in the United States ECONOMY, from sending all of our money into war profiteers pockets


has extended to NORTHERN VIRGINIA
____________________________________________________

WP Article: "Foreclosure Auctioneer's Lonely Task,"
By Nick Miroff
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 22, 2008

"Lot of interest out here this morning," Crossley muttered. No one showed up for the auction of 7 homes that were in foreclosure.

It wasn't always such a lonely job. When Crossley became an auctioneer two years ago for Purcellville-based Nectar Projects, foreclosure sales were few, and they would regularly draw packs of investors armed with cash and eager to bid. Now it's rare for anyone to show up. In the past three months, Crossley has conducted auctions on some 200 properties in Northern Virginia, and he has sold one.

_____________________________________________________


what does that mean, relative to the discussion regarding Obama and Hillary ???


that the people who caused this, currently deadlocking Congress and running things for their private benefit in WASHINGTON through the EXECUTIVE BRANCH...

are trying to keep things status quo, maintain their grip on the cash flow...


not knowing what is going on in WASHINGTON, and saying that those who want to bring up specific examples _OF_THAT_ are talking about the past scares me.


I see a junior congressman, buying into and using what the repulsive scammers are selling as a way of getting elected


w/o regard to what his election will mean to the people.


you want to know what will happen? look at what happened to Jimmy Carter.


If we had acted 30 years ago on his very good ideas, there would be no energy problem, probably greenhouse gases would be under control and our economy would still be booming and manufacturing would still be in_country...


but Carter was backstabbed, because he wanted to "play fair,"

after Nixon, everyone wanted someone that would "play fair,"


unfortunately, Jimmy didn't know how to make sure the bullies played fair as well...


do I need to paint a picture ????

these guys don't "play fair,"


they have male prostitutes spend the night at the white house and use homophobia to herd the gomers...


they're trying to get you to back the Hubert Humphrey of the Democratic pack...


read up on it.


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Posted by: cheezeus | May 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

TO BRIAN:

who wrote...........Obama's snub of the state for Tuesday's primary could endanger his party's hopes for West Virginia in November, unless his message of winning the general election by breaking from the past includes breaking the state's near 100-year record of backing the White House winner....

Right on Brian!
Pride goeth before a fall!

HILLARY CLINTON -
SEE YOU AT CONVENTION!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Don't Hate

Unless Bill Clinton continues to shoot his mouth off like an orangutan with Tourette Syndrome, we should just ignore him after November--as we would Jimmy Carter had he stuck to building houses instead of playing Ambassador Without Portfolio or Shame.

Ditto for Hillary if she's eventually run out of New York on a rail. Don't be like Andrew Sullivan, who can't swallow a vanilla petite scone without uttering the phrase "Karl Rove playbook."

We have enough targets to occupy our time. Al-Qaeda. Hezbollah. Harry Reid. The San Francisco-Berkley-Los Angeles Axis of Evil.

Great gosh almighty, the leading Democratic presidential candidate doesn't know how many states there are. That's certainly enough to win an election or two.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp#6849

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Who cares about FL & MI. They broke the rules, BOTH Obama & Clinton supported suspending the votes of the MI & FL delegations "

I care and my vote DOES count in November. Any Democrat who would like to win this fall would be wise to remember that.

I'm over the count/don't count delegates argument. It's time the rest of you started treating us like fellow Democrats again.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary who?

Posted by: Larry Oregon | May 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

you know after Nixon was ousted in the 70's


everyone wanted someone that wasn't crooked and had no Washington D.C. connections...

listen closely, no Washington D.C. connections or understanding translates to


no support.


Jimmy Carter was a great thinker, and ahead of his time in working towards peace. He was the antithesis of a war monger. He didn't fit in with the Washington D.C. Military Industrial Complex, though he had been a commander of a submarine and had a degree in engineering.


He thought that because he had been elected President that people in Washington would treat him special, and with respect.


they didn't.


I don't want to waste four years with Obama finding out that it takes more than rhetoric to survive and get things done. And a democratic congress made up of elitists forging for thier own class isn't much better than a repulsive scammer congress....spending every dime on themselves.


Obama, hasn't faced what it takes to be president in these transitory times. Slamming the one person willing to address "today," as a person living in the past shows


his ignorance.


.

Posted by: I thought he wasn't allowed to campaign in Florida? before the delegates are alloted...looks like Ro | May 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

TO POSTER OF
Superbowl
Obama takes official super lead today
27 delegates to elected delegate majority
158 to 2025 and Nomination

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And this makes you happy because????

You need to talk to the infamous TED KENNEDY, who lost ALL the delegate and popular vote, went on to win nomination.

You Obama people need to study history!

Ask yourself why the most influential super delegates are not rushing in to Obama??

He is only getting a drip drip and those he released, he already had and was releasing them to make it look like he got quite a bit. But look who they are!!

lol

The important super delegates are holding off because they know the other shoe is going to fall on Obama.

He is an unknown, and we are in danger of making him President of our country!!

WAKE up!

GO ALL THE WAY TO CONVENTION HILLARY!!!

Posted by: Grandma Dee | May 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Woo Hoo! -- Obama finally visits Orlando! I've been waiting for this a long time! Count me there!

--> Have you seen an actual date for this? All I've seen so far is "in FL for 3 days starting 5/21." I hope it's not the 23rd. I'll be out of town...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Honestly,
Who cares about FL & MI. They broke the rules, BOTH Obama & Clinton supported suspending the votes of the MI & FL delegations - and now Clinton is crying foul over voter disenfranchisement? Give me a break! She only started to "care" about unseated delegates when she was grasping at straws trying to count them when she earlier agreed to not!

I'm a McCain supporter so it's great to see Clinton busting her party at the seams.

Go McCain 08!

Posted by: Jeff | May 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

anyone who keeps my secret about having no experience, no accomplishments and no ideas about how to solve any number of problems, will be entilted to all sorts of free stuff, provided by the new bigger Lib government, thanks to me.

free college, free health care, no taxes, no work, no corporations, no enemies, no war, no savings, no budgets, no laws, no rich people. vote Dem!!

Posted by: snObama | May 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Craig Crawford points out that West Virginia -- which seems about to reject Barack Obama by an overwhelming margin -- has picked the winner of the White House in every presidential election since 1916:


West Virginia might not matter to Barack Obama's tightening grip on the Democratic nomination, but no one has been elected president without the Mountain State since Woodrow Wilson's narrow reelection in 1916.

Obama's snub of the state for Tuesday's primary could endanger his party's hopes for West Virginia in November, unless his message of winning the general election by breaking from the past includes breaking the state's near 100-year record of backing the White House winner.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/obamas-change-means-losing-wv.html


Every streak comes to an end eventually, right?


Ya'll better be clinging to your hope that it will.

Posted by: Brian F | May 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

A. williams, Please don't tell anyone. I have the press and the Lib voters thinking that I am realy smart. Without actually providing any evidence. I tell them I reach across the aisle, they lap it up. I tell them I have accomplishments, that's all they need.

can it be our secret?

Posted by: snObama | May 12, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

If he cares about FL and MI, he should show it by letting their votes count.

Posted by: NoBamaForMe | May 12, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Woo Hoo! -- Obama finally visits Orlando! I've been waiting for this a long time! Count me there!

Posted by: Optimyst | May 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The comments made by snObama demonstrate a complete absence of intelligence. One can be opposed to a candidate without also proving to the entire world that you are an ignoramus.

Posted by: A. Williams | May 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Superbowl
Obama takes official super lead today
27 delegates to elected delegate majority
158 to 2025 and Nomination


Posted by: delegate math | May 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Wise move, Obama, going to Michigan and Florida. And, congratulations for being in Missouri today. The Michigan and Florida deserve a chance to see you up close.

-----> And, if they got any sense, they'll listen carefully and ask wisely. They were the ones that broke the rules. They must learn to accept the responsibility for that."

Your statement was OK until you got here. No matter your position on whether FL and MI delegates should count, the rest of the nation needs to understand and make the distinction between the state legislatures and the PEOPLE (voters) in the states. We, the INDIVIDUAL voters, have to accept responsibility for nothing. We had no option to show up on a date after Feb 5th nor did we have a direct say in the date change. This wasn't done by referendum. We can only punish those responsible for it AFTER the fact.

If they want to have that attitude, take it up with those in the State House(s). Lecturing, scolding, and berating individual voters who had no say in the matter is not the way to smooth things over for November.

You continue to hate us at your own (electoral) risk.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Sad man...really sad

Posted by: Enough Hillary | May 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I regret all the anti-American things I said and thought. I was only fooling, you know, to get the leftist loons to vote for me. Now that I don't need them anymore, I will go on Fox and tell everyone it was old school spin. The loons that nominated me won't be watching. And if they hear about it, I will use the big ears, no hearing defense....again.

I hope Michelle doesn't hear about this, she can kick my ass anytime, and usually does. and with that enormous chin, she can take a punch.

Posted by: snObama | May 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

the current DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE is knee deep in IRAN CONTRA CO DEFENDANT friendships....


CRONYism.

"John Michael McConnell, the retired vice admiral slated to become America's new top spy, [has some] longtime associations [which] may cause him headaches during Senate confirmation hearings," Newsweek.com notes."One such tie is with another former Navy admiral, John Poindexter, the IRAN CONTRA DEFENDANT, convicted of multiple felons, and pardoned by the current president by electoral frauds' father.....George H.W. Bush, figure who started the controversial 'Total Information Awareness' program at the Pentagon in 2002."

On February 13, 2002, Americans were warned that our nation was facing the threat of danger to homeland security. Three hours later it happened, but nobody told America.

That day, John M. Poindexter was appointed Director of the Pentagon's Information Awareness Office.


Meet America's New Big Brother

Who's John Poindexter?
A retired Navy Admiral, John Poindexter lost his job as National Security Adviser under Ronald Reagan, and was convicted of conspiracy, lying to Congress, defrauding the government, and destroying evidence in the Iran Contra scandal. [1]

What's the Information Awareness Office (IAO)?

It's a new office created by the Pentagon agency DARPA after 9/11 to gather intelligence through electronic sources like the internet, phone, and fax lines.
Why did John Poindexter get the job?
He was the Vice President of Syntek Technologies, a government contractor.

Syntek and Poindexter worked for years with DARPA to develop Genoa, a surveillance device that's a combination cutting-edge search engine, sophisticated information harvesting program", and a "peer-to-peer" file sharing system. Kind of a military-grade Google/Napster for use in instant analysis of electronic data.

What was Iran-Contra all about?

Iran was holding American hostages. President Reagan said we would not negotiate with terrorists. At the same time, the CIA wanted to support a rebel army in the overthrow of the Nicaraguan government. Congress said no.

So John Poindexter, along with Oliver North and many others, went behind President Reagan's back (supposedly) and sold weapons to the Iranians (illegally), then took the money they made and funneled it to the brutal "Contra" army that they built in Central America (also illegally). See [1]

Read some of the Ollie North / John Poindexter emails that they unsuccessfully tried to destroy
From CNN Interactive

John Poindexter isn't the only Iran-Contra conspirator to be appointed to a high-level position.

More Iran-Contra figures who now hold top government posts....there are six [6] in the WHITEHOUSE....former felons...conspiracists. OH MY !!!!

Why didn't I hear about his appointment on the news?

Very few newspapers and virtually no TV stations announced Poindexter's appointment. Apparently they didn't consider it "newsworthy".

and again:


so McGovern was denigrated so that Nixon wouldn't have to compete with someone that would have kicked his hind end...

and it's happening again.

they can take their choice, support Barack and sink McCain or sink McCain and support Barack...


a president can't do more than insider washington lets them, unless that president knows who is who


on day one. That's why Hillary is the one that insider washington doesnot want in office.


insider washington doesn't want to lose their seat at the pig trough...


Posted by: chess in your pants frank | May 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Uh OH Obama is sporting a flag pin!! Flip flop found out there are more patriotic people around than he thought eh, Sorry a flag pin is not gonna help ya now...LOLOL

Posted by: Just say NO | May 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

part of the


"vileness," is repulsive scammer based.


during the 1972 McGovern Nixon challenge, McGovern was considered the stronger challenger


and so the repulisive scammers used character assassination to defeat him, much as you see Hillary being attacked.


Obama is the weaker candidate.

SEARCH on 1972 KARL ROVE, McGovern.


Plus for every degree of anger between people voting for either Hillary or Obama the repulsive scammers can count on a swing vote or a non vote if their candidate doesn't get nominated.


I would say that about 40 PERCENT of the VILENESS and INNUENDO from posters here is repulsive scammer based.


I recognize a lot of the posters as being repulsive scammers, you can tell from their mode of attack....


it's usually spin and "appeal to emotion," very little logic


just name calling and playground tactics...slime, innuendo, impugning character,

EXAMPLES: purple lips, ankleless Annie


that kind of thing.


it's what they do. They have been doing it here for the last 4 years.


as bushCO and CRONY _supporters_

just because george w. is gone doesn't mean bushCO and CRONYs disappears.


the BUSH FAMILIES AND SAUDIS

Carlyle Group is going to buy part of Booze-Allen-Hamilton and Sprint

Rumsfelds' Bechtel is still a heavy player in the world of Consulting/Contracting

Cheneys Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater is going gangbuster and just got two new congressional lobbyists

LOOK:
Among the Womble Carlyle lobbyists

representing Blackwater

are: John Mashburn, former general counsel and policy director for Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H.,

who is the top

Republican


on the Senate ?Budget? Committee;

and Mark Harkins, who was chief of staff to

Rep. Brad Miller, D-N.C.,

chairman of the Investigations [ ha ha ha !!!] and

???Oversight???

subcommittee of the House Science and Technology Committee.

__________________________________________________________

Posted by: able bodied seaman...looking to sink some whales... | May 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

This election is about BIG issues i.e,the war,deficit,healthcare, America'sglobalimage restoration.Whether you are Democrat or Republican don't allow your nomineen or party surrogates distract and divide "us" with small irrelevant superfical issues,i.e,flag,ministers,flag pins,personal atatcks,etc.
THINK OF THE BIGGER PICTURE AND REMAIN FOCUSED.

That's all I hope for.

Signed --- Lifelong Arizona Republican, disabled veteran,living in Europe since 2000 Election debcale,VOTING FOR "OBAMA" with or without "October surprise!"

Lee GIABENELLI

Posted by: Lee GIABENELLI | May 12, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama winning WV? Never going to happen. If he has 36%, that's good!! Believe me, I've lived there. There is barely Hispanics there. They no better! That's not a racial statement, that's a fact!!

Posted by: Lynn | May 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Chris, if you thought West Virginia was just a token appearance today, you may want to read or see the speech. It's like 90 percent new stuff! It begins by basically conceding the state to Hillary Clinton and then is devoted to our veterans and fair treatment of them on their return -- particularly the new GI Bill Jim Webb has proposed, which Senator McCain is among the few to oppose.

I enjoy following Senator Obama's speeches but had no idea this would be any different than the "stump speech." I think this was the promised Punch Bowl Cemetary speech delivered unexpectedly early. Major brass in attendance as well. An interesting surprise!

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | May 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Libs still not making sense:

"The problem with Obama is that his positions on Iraq were the wrong ones to embrace based on the facts on the ground at the time.

To be specific: When the Bush administration had the wrong counterinsurgency plan in place, Obama was supportive of it. He told the Chicago Tribune in July 2004, "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." While John McCain was calling for more troops and a different counterinsurgency strategy in 2003, 2004, and 2005, Obama was not.

In late 2006, when the situation in Iraq was dire, Obama declared it was time to "execute a serious change of course in Iraq" -- but rather than advocating a "surge" in troops, he was advocating a "phased withdrawal." His predictive judgment was this: "We cannot, through putting in more troops or maintaining the presence that we have, expect that somehow the situation is going to improve."

In January 2007, when President Bush announced the administration's change in strategy in Iraq -- which included tens of thousands of additional troops and a new COIN strategy led by David Petraeus, Obama declared that nothing in the plan would "make a significant dent in the sectarian violence that's taking place there."

Then, in May 2007, Obama did what he had never done previously: He voted against funding for combat operations, claiming as a reason the fact that the bill included no timeline for troop withdrawal. And in September, just three months after the final elements of the 30,000-strong surge forces had landed in Iraq and fairly substantial security progress was discernible, Obama declared that we needed to withdraw combat troops "immediately." "Not in six months or a year -- now."

It got so bad that Obama at first denied progress was being made, then denied that the surge had anything to do with the progress, and even insisted (in a debate in January 2008) that the reduction in violence was due not to the work of the American military but to the results of the 2006 midterm election in America. Finally Obama was forced by the overwhelming evidence to concede the surge had made progress -- yet in the process Obama misrepresented his past position, insisting that when the surge was announced, he had "no doubt" that "if we place 30,000 more troops in there, then we would see an improvement in the security situation and we would see a reduction in violence."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWIzYTRkMGUxMjI4NTBkMzdkNDNmYWJkMTM2MTYzYmU=

Posted by: I go with the wind | May 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Iowa Treasure (gw) does not have an intelligent thought in his head. It's all superficial -- how people look. Personally, I think Obama and his wife are beautiful. Is that a reason to vote for him? I think not. But, according to you, the leader of the free world is going to save us because he and his wife are hot. You are the worst example of an American. You are certainly not a patriot.

Posted by: Debbie | May 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

He is a spineless empty suit, because he knew if there had been a re-vote back when the support was there from some Dems, Carver and Rendell, he would have lost to Hillary.
Posted by: jeiken@comcast.net | May 12, 2008 4:07 PM

Some Dem's perhaps, but not Hillary his opponent. Remember back when she was "inevitable"? Oh how quickly we forget she said nothing about the "injustice" in Florida and Michigan. In fact she supported the measures taken against them. But remember she didn't need the votes then.

"Out of desperation, Hillary is putting all her chips on the injustice done to Floridians and Michiganders, even though she said early in the process that their votes "shouldn't count."

"Never mind that Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe was the one who first insisted the rules be enforced."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136315

Keep spewing more rubbish about how Florida and Michigan are all Obama's fault. Hillary and her massive ego only care about Florida and Michigan because she has lost.

Posted by: JNoel002 | May 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama is nuts, going to Florida and Michigan. Clinton has her scags out nin droves, has been poisoning that well ever since she discovered she shhouldn't have stuck a knife in their backs to begin with. Moreover, Florida is a Democratic writeoff anyways. The Florida House and Senate are solidly Republican, so is the Governor's office. All of those hispanic voters have always been solidly Republican and the hordes of senior citizens have always been right wingers. Essentially, Ms. Cltinon has beehn playing to the Limbaugh crowd, about what she has been doing, IS doing in Virginia. What the Cltinon folk are undertaking is the destruction of the Democratic Party in the name of some delussional glass ceiling dreamt up by the NOW crowd. Feminists have NEVER been liberals, have NEVER supported minorities, have never stood for anything other than their own parasitical grasp of jobs and entitlement. No Democrat, no liberal, will ever see them the same again and will never again support an "women's initiative". Hillary has at least exposed the self serving feminists and herwslef for what they are and placed the bunch of them beyond the pale. Good luck ladies, you're going to have a tough time selling Pat Robertson on your agenda. But that's where you'll have to go, because your keeping up these venonous campaign has cost you OUR support.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

let's be honest here.


Obama is using the repulsive scammer drum beat


as his own.

"The Clintons,"

the only Democrats to defeat the Repulsives SCAMMERS on their home turf


in the last 60 years


have been getting hammered by limp RUSHING BOUGHT


and numerous other Repulsive Scammers for 16 years.

GOP ers hate losing money and it going to the people....


GOP ers hate not being able to charge their business expenses to the people...

who is going to make out in IRAQ ????


SAUDI UAE KUWIAT bushCo and CRONYs and war profiteers


will AMERICANS see that money ?????


how are you doing AMERICA ????


can you feel the love as the GOP ers call you


welfare cases ?????

as they take home the lions share of the FISCAL BUDGET to their families...

and you lose your homes ????

look around. come out of your middle school playground popularity contest and look at what is going on.


Hillary is going through McGovern treatment and


Obama is the new Hubert Humphrey...who will either lose to McCain or be restrained so that he is ineffective if he gets the nomination..


JFK was killed


Jimmy Carter was backstabbed.

Bill Clinton persevered and built the economy back up....he withstood these people for 8 years....and the GOP ers don't want any more


MONEY interruptus


take them down, remove them from power permanently and pass legislation that requires them to be just as responsible for their felonious behavior as you have to be...


arrest them for treason, and execute the sentence when found guilty


. ah I see that little fudgepacker king of licking is still here

kingof trolls is more like it


.

Posted by: allez vous mon bot | May 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

when John Negroponte was made the Director of National Intelligence with the ability to excuse any company from being audited or reporting revenues....


what companies were excluded?


included within those companies were companies that the Whitehouse families profit from? or their families families or CRONYS ????

Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, KBR, DynCorp, BLACKWATER


did not have to disclose.

is there any part of this administration that does not scream


___CONFLICT____OF______INTEREST____ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


can we try these thieves and then hang them for each major crime of treason ????


.if convicted of course.


.

Posted by: debating with monkies... | May 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely Excellent!

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Like Newt says,
America deserves Obama for the stupidity of the last 8 years. Republicans can pack it up. They already Gave up the Ghost when they sent a weak presidential field for 08. So stop cryin America, there will be a new face in the Big House and it wont be a good ole boy (or girl)....smilin everyday on out TV sets...makes me laugh...who thought he would out perform them all...if he can run a campaign better than Mick, Hill, John, and the rest, maybe the boy can run a country...can't do much worse that lil gee.

Posted by: walterrock | May 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

In light of today's New York Times story on the success in Basra:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/world/middleeast/12basra.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


("In a rare success, forces loyal to Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki have largely quieted the city, to the initial surprise and growing delight of many inhabitants who only a month ago shuddered under deadly clashes between Iraqi troops and Shiite militias."),

Here's a little trip down defeatist lane:


"I hope we don't hear any glorification of what happened in Basra," House Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi, 4/3/08. [I guess the NYT didn't get the memo.]

"Prime Minister Maliki's action in Basra once again demonstrated Prime Minister Maliki's incompetence." Senator Carl Levin, 4/9/08

"It is my understanding... that really Sadr won politically in terms of the confrontation in Basra." Senator Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri, 4/8/08

"On the operation in Basra, which I continue to think was a very ill-thought out enterprise. This was not a broad-based enterprise against militias... And nor was it narrowly focused on the so-called special groups. It was -- let's call it what is was: It was another step in an internal Shiite civil war." Robert Malley, 4/8/08


Robert Malley, of course, was an Obama adviser at the time of that statement, though he was recently relieved of his campaign duties when it became clear that he'd been holding meetings with members of Hamas (organizing the endorsement?).

One wonders, though, if this is the kind of analysis Obama will be relying on in order to make military decisions as commander in chief.

Posted by: Michael G | May 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

funny thing about the Dem, I mean Lib primaries, once the kooks have spoken, the rational and thinking voters enter in and eliminate their choices. If you doubt me, consider: Kerry, gore, McGovern, dukakis, Mondale, etc.

do not confuse a majority (barely) of loons to speak for the entire country. funny thing is, even half the Libs weren't that stupid.

Posted by: kingofzouk | May 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

when John Negroponte was made the Director of National Intelligence with the ability to excuse any company from being audited or reporting revenues....


what companies were excluded?


included within those companies were companies that the Whitehouse families profit from? or their families families or CRONYS ????

Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, KBR, DynCorp, BLACKWATER


did not have to disclose.

is there any part of this administration that does not scream


___CONFLICT____OF______INTEREST____ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


can we try these thieves and then hang them for each major crime of treason ????


.if convicted of course.


.

Posted by: cheezeus | May 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama has less favorable rating in West Virginia than Bush. That should definitely hurt Obama nuts a lot.

Posted by: Low Approval Rating Than Bush | May 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama now cares about FL and MI because he knows time is running out for the primaries. He is a spineless empty suit, because he knew if there had been a re-vote back when the support was there from some Dems, Carver and Rendell, he would have lost to Hillary. The democratic party is going to put another elitist up for the party to run in the fall, and once again they are going to lose. In Nov.we can all thank the super delegates for handing the Republicans another win in 2008. Another 4 years for Republicans in the White House in 2008, thanks spineless super delegates for picking a politically correct candidate!

Posted by: jeiken@comcast.net | May 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

when John Negroponte was made the Director of National Intelligence with the ability to excuse any company from being audited or reporting revenues....


what companies were excluded?


included within those companies were companies that the Whitehouse families profit from? or their families families or CRONYS ????

Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, KBR, DynCorp, BLACKWATER


did not have to disclose.

is there any part of this administration that does not scream


___CONFLICT____OF______INTEREST____ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


can we try these thieves and then hang them for each major crime of treason ????


.if convicted of course.


.

Posted by: genius | May 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

All, just calm down and repeat after me...

Pre-zi-dent Oh-bomm-uh. Pre-zi-dent Oh-bomm-uh.

There you go. Nice ring to it, yes. You'll get the hang of it. Mmmmmm. Work it. Yeah!

Posted by: bondjedi | May 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

the current DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE is knee deep in IRAN CONTRA CO DEFENDANT friendships....


CRONYism.

"John Michael McConnell, the retired vice admiral slated to become America's new top spy, [has some] longtime associations [which] may cause him headaches during Senate confirmation hearings," Newsweek.com notes."One such tie is with another former Navy admiral, John Poindexter, the IRAN CONTRA DEFENDANT, convicted of multiple felons, and pardoned by the current president by electoral frauds' father.....George H.W. Bush, figure who started the controversial 'Total Information Awareness' program at the Pentagon in 2002."

On February 13, 2002, Americans were warned that our nation was facing the threat of danger to homeland security. Three hours later it happened, but nobody told America.

That day, John M. Poindexter was appointed Director of the Pentagon's Information Awareness Office.


Meet America's New Big Brother

Who's John Poindexter?
A retired Navy Admiral, John Poindexter lost his job as National Security Adviser under Ronald Reagan, and was convicted of conspiracy, lying to Congress, defrauding the government, and destroying evidence in the Iran Contra scandal. [1]

What's the Information Awareness Office (IAO)?

It's a new office created by the Pentagon agency DARPA after 9/11 to gather intelligence through electronic sources like the internet, phone, and fax lines.
Why did John Poindexter get the job?
He was the Vice President of Syntek Technologies, a government contractor.

Syntek and Poindexter worked for years with DARPA to develop Genoa, a surveillance device that's a combination cutting-edge search engine, sophisticated information harvesting program", and a "peer-to-peer" file sharing system. Kind of a military-grade Google/Napster for use in instant analysis of electronic data.

What was Iran-Contra all about?

Iran was holding American hostages. President Reagan said we would not negotiate with terrorists. At the same time, the CIA wanted to support a rebel army in the overthrow of the Nicaraguan government. Congress said no.

So John Poindexter, along with Oliver North and many others, went behind President Reagan's back (supposedly) and sold weapons to the Iranians (illegally), then took the money they made and funneled it to the brutal "Contra" army that they built in Central America (also illegally). See [1]

Read some of the Ollie North / John Poindexter emails that they unsuccessfully tried to destroy
From CNN Interactive

John Poindexter isn't the only Iran-Contra conspirator to be appointed to a high-level position.

More Iran-Contra figures who now hold top government posts....there are six [6] in the WHITEHOUSE....former felons...conspiracists. OH MY !!!!

Why didn't I hear about his appointment on the news?

Very few newspapers and virtually no TV stations announced Poindexter's appointment. Apparently they didn't consider it "newsworthy".

Posted by: a little news of relevance | May 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Wise move, Obama, going to Michigan and Florida. And, congratulations for being in Missouri today. The Michigan and Florida deserve a chance to see you up close. And, if they got any sense, they'll listen carefully and ask wisely. They were the ones that broke the rules. They must learn to accept the responsibility for that.

Now, let's move on and do things the right way. Those of us who abided by the rule have made a good choice. Check him out for yourselves. You decide, whether you want to support him, or the guy who will be representing the failed policies of Bush/Cheney.

Be not misled by those who say "he can't be elected". Prove them wrong. The way I figure it, with the combined votes of those of us who voted for him and the others that voted for candidates on the Democratic side, we've got it won.

I will not accept the claim that some make that he will lose because "the white working class male" won't vote for him. I hope you, too, will denounce and reject that assertion.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

new wapost poll has 31% approval for Bush, including the stat that 7 out of 10 repubs approve. If 31% of everyone represents 7 of 10 repubs, they are in for a whomping this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

sedon't be fooled. a large number, if not most, of the comments alleging to tear down Hillary or Obama "from the other camp" sound suspiciously more "operation chaos"-lite than real DNC discord. the clues are there, if others pay attention, my right-wing friends. ;)

(not a democrat or republican, just an observer)

Posted by: the watcher | May 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is so old, that Bob Barr has decided to run and take the conservative vote away from McCain.

Raise the Barr!!!

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

America,
You are so smart and you vote for a person who has no experience or record whatsoever. Remember the last time you hire a clean maid, you still asked for a record. Don't be too fool to hear all the hypes about changes. What did he do? What did he do? Words don't matter. Every time election time comes, people just listen to words. Wake up!

Nam.

Posted by: Wakeup | May 12, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse


To me, the surest sign that the D presidential primary contest is over:

"... he's the presumptive D nominee."
Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 2:08 PM

Posted by: mnteng | May 12, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I will be very curious how long the Obamabots plan to attack Hillary Clinton and to blame her for all of their great leader's troubles. I can already see the endless litany of blame Hillary lines spewing from their mouths in November if Obama loses. To me what I have come to dislike even more than Obama's disturbing disregard for democratic principles (FL & MI getting left-out) is the vile behavior and attitudes of a great many of his supporters. Whether it is in person, real-life or through articles in the "media" the standard Obamabot viewpoint is that if you don't love, absolutely love our Candidate, and if you don't bless everything he says and does, and if you don't profess to be his strongest supporter then you are (1) stupid, (2) racist, (3) a closet republican, or (4) just plain un-patriotic. Why is this? Democracy is supposed to respect the views of the people...especially the American system. While 15 million plus people have voted for Obama, nearly as many have voted for Clinton, and still others for other candidates. Why is it that Obama supporters (more so than others) are so hateful and destructive to others who don't agree with them? Why is it that they think their guy has hands-down made his case. The last I checked in 2004 John Kerry had the nomination wrapped-up by far superior margins and before now. If Obama is so amazing as a candidate and so untouchable, infallible then why does it not appear so. I would propose that while he may (though it has yet to be proven) be a great candidate the question is still un-answered and those so critical of the democratic process and so willing to criticize anyone in opposition are simply acting more like fascists than Democrats.

Posted by: Sean | May 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

and some -- especially the party activists -- are unhappy about the treatment they have received from the national party.

- The Fix

Yeah Chris, and I'm sure that criminals are unhappy about their treatment from the correctional system.

Those people brought it on themselves, they can sleep in the beds they made.

Posted by: JD | May 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Sean writes " [Obama] is on record as telling would-be supporters from those states that "you'll have to wait until November to support me,"


And the Dems in PA, WV an KY will be faced with the unfortunate quandry of having to vote for someone they just voted against in the primary in droves.

Only the loony left will excuse any gaffe and overlook his ultra liberal stance on guns, abortion, SC justices and the military. The rest of the country will have a moderate option in John McCain.

President McCain. Get used to it.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

scrivener,

I now feel a little dumber for reading your entry. Yeah, Hillary's and Barack's supporters won't be a tad bit pissed off.

Clinton and Obama are not two week candidates limping to the finish line, they are two incredibly strong candidates with very loyal supporters. Edwards did not even make it to Super Tuesday because of lack of funding and lack of voter support.

Posted by: bruce.w1 | May 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Aelfric, you don't know what you're talking about. The State of Florida chose the primary date and Obama had no control whatsoever about it.

This is a Republican controlled state and the only way around that date would be if the Dem Party of Florida funded another primary.

Posted by: 1FastHoo | May 12, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama is now going to Florida and Michigan after he and his campaign did their best to ensure that a re-vote of any sort would not happen, and that their voices would not be part of the nominating process. Now I know he and his supporters say that it wasn't his fault and he is just playing by the rules. Yet there was a window in which some pretty serious people were working pretty diligently to come up with a legitimate solution to this mess. His campaign was in lock-stop to sink any such efforts. He is on record as telling would-be supporters from those states that "you'll have to wait until November to support me," and "it's just too difficult to work this out. In a record fundraising year I find it hard to believe that it was too expensive or too difficult to fix. But now it seems that he wants everyone to forget that his campaign had (has) an inherent interest in there being no actual vote from these two states. They didn't favor him and therefore it wasn't necessary to let them vote. Such behavior is unbecoming of a man who claims the mantle of hope and change. Rather, it looks more like the so-called dirty politics he claims to want to change. I hope the people of Florida and Michigan don't too soon forget the vile manner in which they have been treated by the party and this candidate.

Posted by: Sean | May 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

who cares? ... tell him to go back to Chicago! ... if the Dem superdelegates give him the nomination ... Hillary will beat both him and McCain as an Independent!! ... just like she beat NObama and Edwards in Florida!!!!

Posted by: Jesus Francisco Cardenas | May 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

There sure are some grumpy people on these boards. Sling mud at Obama, you can see it is working so well. Perhaps you should just start practicing...President Obama.

Posted by: Tired of it all | May 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

" She doesn't have an angry face, she has a large jaw."

Ha! And her husband has large ears, but apparently can't hear too well out of them. the poor disfigured Obamas...Oh the humanity!


Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 3:12 PM
*******************************
Yeah, 'cause you are such a hottie. And Bush/Cheney - they could have started a boy band with such hotness. And McCain is "McDreamy".

Speaking of oh the humanity - how are you and the rest of the GOP sheep doing with Bobby Barr's announcement?

Posted by: LABC | May 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP

Thats what I thought.

Posted by: Arbiter | May 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Main Stream Media has done it again, guaranteed another Republican in the White House this Election. Obama will never get the white working class voters needed to win the Swing States.
The Super Delegates can't pick the stronger candidate (Hillary) because they fear riots.
If the media would have covered Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers,Obama's lack of experience, judgement, and strength prior to Iowa and Super Tuesday, Hillary would have blown him out.
Dems are now stuck with another weak "change" candidate for the General Election.
Obama's ONLY chance is to offer Hillary the Vice Pres. to get the base he needs to win, but Michelle Obama is too racist to allow that to happen.
I never thought Bush would get a 2nd Term, but the idiots voted him in again. Oh well what's 4 more years of the same...

Posted by: TracyMD1 | May 12, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Result - Libs lose.........again. Can't you moonbats get it through your head that we don't want your tired old reject 60s ideas? they are not new or futuristic, they are failed and anachronistic. Even MLK was a lifelong Repub. It's called fairness, not specialness.


Posted by: kingofzouk |

And the alternatives? Reaganomics(failed),tax cuts for the rich(failure,but good for the rich),Preemptive strike(failed),stay the course(failed),less oversight(huge failure).
Doesn't look like you've done any good either. This has been the worst 8 years,aren't you proud? Time to take the flag dress off,you've stained it and it might not be able to get clean. Don't worry,the Dems will fix everything,AGAIN!

Your heroes are the most inept/incompetent administraion in history.If there is a god,they'll all be in jail within 2 years. You must be one of the profiteers(31%ers)who think everything is hunky dory.

Oh and by the way,you forget to use Obamas' middle name,thinking it means more than that.(LOL,Morons) So before you start calling people names(moonbats),look in a mirror and ask yourself,
am I any better......................(NO!)

Posted by: jime | May 12, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Iowatreasures
Do you ride the short bus to school?
Just listening to your crap makes me think you probably still live at home and have never had a LIVE girlfriend.
Try sticking to actual truths. You don't know anything about Michelle Obama. She has more intellegence and class in her toenails than some dimwit like you, posting trash on the internet while hiding in his mom's basement. Either stick to the truths about YOUR candidate or STFU!

Posted by: TJFRMLA | May 12, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON (May 12) - Former Republican Rep. Bob Barr launched a Libertarian Party presidential bid Monday, saying voters are hungry for an alternative to the status quo who would dramatically cut the federal government.


If he wins the White House, he said he would immediately freeze discretionary spending in Washington. He also would begin withdrawing troops from Iraq and consider slashing spending at federal agencies such as the departments of education and commerce -- as well as at overseas military bases.


http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/barr-announces-libertarian-bid/20080512103009990001


More bad news from the VRWC.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

This election is showing Americans to be even more insular and paranoid than the last two elections. This man (Obama) is a godsend. And Hilary is ruining his chances. Even the 2-headed monster agrees - hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqKuwel6CVg

Posted by: Alex Popodopolous | May 12, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"How infantile can you be to fixate on someone saying "57 states" verses "57 contest". And what is all this analysis of him being born under Muslim law? Have you seen his actual comments on his view of religion and faith in his youth? So uniformed and leaving uniformed information for the easily swayed and easily manipulated to fall for."


What do you expect from the 29%ers that think GWB is doing a good job?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP: I didn't see the interview, and I don't know how he got to 57.. but if you include the territories that can vote in primaries/caucuses, there are at least 54:

Puerto Rico
Virgin Islands
Guam
D.C.

I'm sure others can think of the other 3 he's referring to.
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Add American Samoa, Democrats Abroad, and an extra caucus for the Texas two-step and you get to 57 contests ...

Posted by: Eric | May 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP:

What are you so PROUD about? And before you go spouting all the reasons why Obama would fan the flames of hate from the Muslims - you'd better take a good look at the Grand Ol' Party and see the Grand Job they've done with international relations. If your boy Bush hadn't screwed our international image (not to mention simultaneously screwing us at home) you wouldn't be so worried about how the muslims feel about the next president now would you?

Posted by: Arbiter | May 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Good grief. How infantile can you be to fixate on someone saying "57 states" verses "57 contest". And what is all this analysis of him being born under Muslim law? Have you seen his actual comments on his view of religion and faith in his youth? So uniformed and leaving uniformed information for the easily swayed and easily manipulated to fall for. And to say that Senator Obama plays the race card and is a racist? Yeah, can you say fantasy with me?

Senator Obama is smart not to spend a lot of money in West Virginia or Kentucky. Mainly because the citizens of these two states have spoken and made their choices known. In a article on RealClear Politics yesterday, Kentuckians were interviewed and basically said their is VERY little Senator Obama could do to win their votes. I would just pass through also. Too bad they are willing to vote against themselves. When has a republican give a darn about rural states like Kentucky and West Virginia?

Finally, don't count Senator Obama out from winning Michigan and Florida in the Fall. Senator Clinton made this mistake and you see where she is. Peddling to the voters who will ACTUALLY vote for her. Alrighty now, ya'll be good now hear!

Posted by: CitizenAJ | May 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok all you Hillary supporters-Put you money where your mouth is. If she is so the right one for the presidency then send her your money right away and watch her pay back herself from her loan after she pays Mark Penn.

Why has her financial support dropped so rapidly?

Why is she 20 mill in debt?

Would you rather just b***h about it?, or do something?

Send Hillary your money now you loyal supporters

Posted by: jr-Talk is cheap send money now! | May 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS A GREAT BIG CHEAT

PREVENTS THE VOTERS OF FLORIDA FROM BEING COUNTED

PREVENTS THE VOTERS OF MICHIGAN FROM BEING COUNTED
______________________________________________

That is utter nonsense these states knowingly disenfranchised themselves by intentionally breaking the rules knowing the consequences. Hindsight is 20/20, however, just like the uninsured wish they had insurance once a loss occurs, so too do these states wish that they had followed the rules.

You cannot retroactively change the rules because, today, they might benefit you. Just like you cannot secure a retroactive insurance policy. The lesson: Every action has its own consequence or benefit. Following the rules: Benefit, Not following the rules: Punishment. It is called Justice.

Posted by: Concernedaboutdc | May 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

What amuses me most is that Libs have finally come to know the clintons, after years of the truth being directly in front of their noses.

they still can't figure out Carter with his apeasment, weakness and surrender. too bad because they are about to be fooled in the exact same manner again by Carter Jr.

Maybe by 2016 they will figure out he is a shallow snake oil salesman. but being Libs and only reading leftist literature, they will most likely remain in the dark.

Posted by: kingofzouk | May 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

While we are on the subject of shady characters can anyone tell me which of the remaining candidates is a close associate of an unabashed proponent of domestic terrorism and a convicted felon?

That would be John McCane and his good buddy G. Gordon Liddy who served four years in prison for his part in leading the watergate break-in and also instructed the public on his national radio show to shoot an ATF officer if he comes to your door and to "Aim for the head" and not the body. He also mentioned that he used then President Clinton's picture for target practice.

McCane calls him his good friend and that he is "proud of his family" Liddy donated over 2k to his election campaign(s)

So, are you worried now?, or is it just Obama's loose ties to Ayers (who BTW is a college professor now and seems to be OK by the DOJ).

Which is more dangerous, loose ties to a former domestic terrorist that is now a College Professor and is ignored by the Department of Justice? or close unrepenting ties to a convicted felon in the biggest political scandal of our time and an unabashed proponent of domestic terrorism, one who uses the national airwaves to incite violence towards our nations's peace-officers?

You tell me

Posted by: jr-While we are on the subject... | May 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Re: Florida and Michigan.

Obama, of course, was the one who picked the Florida and Michigan primary dates, in defiance of the DNC's clear rules. Obama refused to let those states change their primaries to a different date, when they realized the DNC sanctions would be for real. And Obama is the one who won't allow either state to vote in the general election in November.

That'll learn 'em.

Posted by: Aelfric | May 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

" She doesn't have an angry face, she has a large jaw."

Ha! And her husband has large ears, but apparently can't hear too well out of them. the poor disfigured Obamas...Oh the humanity!

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't help but believe the General Election is going to be a blowout by September. I hope the media enjoyed their ratings because I just don't see how McCain keeps this close. Obama finally gets the chance to switch gears to the GE and McCain's free ride is over.

Posted by: JNoel002 | May 12, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The anti-obama comments seems to be more about superficial B.S. then actual policy disagreements. Makes you sound superficial when the only thing you can point out is the "finger" incident or what his former pastor said. Like that fixes all of Hillary's and McCains problems.

Posted by: satownmc | May 12, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Florida is becoming solidly Red."

I disagree. The last special election to replace a disgraced GOP state representative went to the Democrat - in a very heavily GOP district. Florida was ready to be brought back from the red. The DNC antagonizing this state in the primary was the worst move at the worst possible moment. Time to make amends, but the rest of the nation's Democrats don't want us (FL Dems) in their camp for some reason.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Good grief. Can you all be so infantile to focus on someone saying 57 states verses contest? Why don't you focus on Senator Clintons BIG mis-speak last week when she basically said minorities are lazy! Give me a break.

He is smart not to spend a lot of time and money in West Virginia and Kentucky. The citizens of these two states have spoken. I read an article in RealClear politics yesterday where people in Kentucky were interviewed and basically said, there is little Senator Obama could do to win their votes. What does that tell you? Yet, we have bloggers on here saying that Senator Obama plays the race card. How ignorant.

Finally, you say he cannot win Florida? This has been said before. It will be tough because it is a republican hot bed, old money, seniors, and everyone knows people flock to Florida to take advantage of its tax system. You are fighting the status quo in Florida. But, we are talking about the candidate who was not suppose to win the democratic nomination against the MIGHTY, CLINTON machine with all its political ties. This should be interesting and fun!

Posted by: CitizenAJ | May 12, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

There are some states that are so Red or so Blue, there is no reason for either candidate to campaign in them.

This election is different because the swing states that could go either way, aren't the usual Pennsylvania-Florida-Ohio group. Florida is becoming solidly Red. Virginia will finally vote Blue. Colorado and Iowa are in legitimately in play for Obama. Even states he has ties to (Hawai'i and Kansas) will drain off McCain money defending them. (Ohio and Pennsylvania are still swing states - I expect this year McCain will take Pa, Obama will win Ohio).

The biggest advantage the Democrats have, of course, is the W administration - I think Kucinich could've carried the election this year - but the second advantage is simply in numbers. Long primary means record numbers of new young voters registered and seeing themselves vested in the election process. Republicans are still stuck with get-out-the-vote, can't grow their fading party of regression.

No one cares about Cindy or Michelle. (His wife wasn't attractive in a picture you saw? THAT determines whom you think should be the leader of the free world?) No one cares what your preacher thinks. (Except Fox News, I guess.) No one cares what the Christian child of a Muslim father and Jewish mother is claimed to be, under their respective definitions. (And why is it that the Democratic candidates are the only ones who can keep a marriage together?)

Posted by: Aelfric | May 12, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"For McCain, that's Pennsylvania, Michigan, and New Hampshire. For Obama, it's Florida, Ohio, Colorado and Missouri."

I think Obambi might get CO and even MO. But he will lose OH and FL, possibly NH and maybe MI and PA.

Result - Libs lose.........again. Can't you moonbats get it through your head that we don't want your tired old reject 60s ideas? they are not new or futuristic, they are failed and anachronistic. Even MLK was a lifelong Repub. It's called fairness, not specialness.

Posted by: kingofzouk | May 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

How can Obama compete in West Virginia and Kentucky when she's running on a platform of amending the Constitution to allow for incestual marriage and promising free dental care to all voters?

Obama's campaign is smart to begin focusing on general election. Only Shrillary supporters are too delusional to see that this race is over. The math isn't there under any twisted Clinton metric, she is bankrupt, financially and morally, and the argument that she is the better candidate is simpy belied by the fact that she got her pantsuited buttisis kicked by a political novice, and ran a financially unsound and stupid campaign. Thank God ShrillBillary was exposed as a poor executive prior to that witch being sworn in.

Posted by: ShrillBillyary's Supporters Need Stronger Meds | May 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

iowatreasures - I think you, like a lot of people, are mistaking a physiological flaw with an emotional one where Michelle is concerned. She doesn't have an angry face, she has a large jaw. It sticks forward and makes her look angry even during her most placid and polite moments. She's no doubt very self-conscious about it.

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

It's about time he came down here. There is much damage to be undone before November and there is no waitng until after the convention to get started.

The DNC can disallow our delegates for the nomination process, but they can't disallow those 27 little things called Electoral Votes in the General Election. To do so is like spotting McCain 27 points in a 270 point race. (44, if they don't patch things up in Michigan, too.)

I'm willing to listen - now, not later. After the convention will be too late.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

How can Obama compete in West Virginia and Kentucky when she's running on a platform of amending the Constitution to allow for incestual marriage and promising free dental care to all voters?

Obama's campaign is smart to begin focusing on general election. Only Shrillary supporters are too delusional to see that this race is over. The math isn't there under any twisted Clinton metric, she is bankrupt, financially and morally, and the argument that she is the better candidate is simpy belied by the fact that she got her pantsuited buttisis kicked by a political novice, and ran a financially unsound and stupid campaign. Thank God ShrillBillary was exposed as a poor executive prior to that witch being sworn in.

Posted by: ShrillBillyary's Supporters Need Stronger Meds | May 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, let's second guess Obama's campaign strategy because it has been so ineffective so far.

Most of W. Virginia (banjo music from "Deliverance") still thinks that Obama is a muslim, and that he doesn't know the common people, even though upon graduating from Harvard he turned down Wall Street job offers in the 6 figures to work as a community organizer helping steel workers who had lost their jobs to re-train, or find new jobs, for the grand total of 10k per year. What has HRC or McCane done for the common people? Can anybody out there tell me?...crickets is what you get with that question.

Obama is polling 36 points behind, better to KNOW when you've been beaten that STICK around in a CONTEST YOU CAN"T WIN.

We have an exceptional man who has run an exceptional campaign against huge odds and look where he is.

And please stop calling him a racist, he obviously is not and the people with their caps lock on denouncing and accusing Obama of racism are probably the ones who are truly racist and tend to accuse others of their own short-comings.

Posted by: jr | May 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I love these people who call Obama a cheat. He did not make the rules, and he did not break them. Nothing like showing people how to play fairly than the Hillary camp constantly trying to change the rules when they dont help her out.

How hard is it for people to realize Hillary agreed with the rules until they didnt favor her, now she is against the rules. This is a great example of how we teach our children the wrong way to act.
"No honey dont worry about the out of bounds lines, we will just cry and moan until they extend the field for us".

Posted by: Grow up | May 12, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I was watching Fox News awhile ago, and they started to say, on the ticker that the Obama Camp confirmed that something of Hillary's was going to be taken down. I heard yesterday that the DNC was taking down her website.

I just looked up her www.HillaryClinton.com website and it is still there.

What is this all about? I know a lot of my Google Alerts telling the details about Obama's shady past and anti-American friends and associates are being taken down.

Anybody know anything about any of this? gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

HRC supporters, in addition to your vitriol, please donate to her campaign. While hate, lies and innuendo are all well and good, the lady needs cash. Open your wallets and contribute. Then get back to spewing anger and resentment. Give the woman some money for crying out loud!

Posted by: money-where-your-mouth-is | May 12, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse


Scrivner: John Edwards will not get one woman or mother's vote for anything.

His insensitivity of trying to force her out of the race, on Mother's Day, no less, shows how out of touch he is with the American people, especially the women.

Edwards claims to be for universal health care - but if he was, he would endorse Hillary. She is the only one who has a universal health care plan to cover everyone.

Obama's leaves fifteen million people out.

I can't stop myself from saying this - Obama is such a loser, and Michelle is always so disgruntled, what an angry couple. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 12, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

bsimon, You're missing the point. Muslims consider conversion to Christianity the worse possible sin, apostasy. In fact, the government of some countries, Saudi arabia for example, prohibit protection of a apostate. in other words, security provisions for Obama could face quite a snag in Muslim countries, given that their govts would ostensibly forbid police or CIA-like protection.

The larger point is that, while Obama claims to be the one politician who can lift up our status in the world simply by virtue of being against the war from the start, this is a very unrealistic projection.

One cannot simply spout "Yes We Can" and win over the Muslim world.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Good for him. The primary is over - it's just there are quite a few people who are either too stupid (the media, although they are SLOWLY coming around) or too delusional (the Hillarycrats) to know it. He needs to start defining McCain as just another Bush clone and that's what he is doing.

Posted by: Ohio guy | May 12, 2008 2:36 PM

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So true...speaking of stupid/delusional, you have an iowatreasure trove here...

Posted by: LABC | May 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps the reason Senator Obama refuses to campaign in West Virginia is that the population is 95% white. It seems Senator Obama is guilty of racism even though he enjoys falsely accusing others."

Or its perhaps the fact that if Obama only take one of the states and Hillary wins the rest, he still has higher numbers than her.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP: I didn't see the interview, and I don't know how he got to 57.. but if you include the territories that can vote in primaries/caucuses, there are at least 54:

Puerto Rico
Virgin Islands
Guam
D.C.

I'm sure others can think of the other 3 he's referring to.

Posted by: rgb_ | May 12, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Short Version: The REAL Math

(McCain + Obama) - Clinton = Another Republican in the White House.

Cheney Energy Bill = 29 New nuclear power plants

[ (GE + Westinghouse = Nuke power plant builders) + Dick Cheney ]
x (McCain + Obama) = 29 New nuclear power plants

McCain's VOTE on The Cheney Energy Bill = YES

Obama's VOTE on the Cheney Energy Bill = YES

Clinton's VOTE on the Cheney Energy Bill = NO

Clinton/ { NBC+MSNBC+CBS+Fox+(All the MSM) } = Another Republican in the White House

Clue: GE owns NBC & MSNBC; Westinghouse owns CBS; (GE= 2nd largest corporation on the planet); BOTH have been pumping $$$Billions of ADvertising dollars into every FORM of MEDIA they don't own, for generations.

i.e. [ Cheney + (McCain + Obama) + The Media ] vs. Clinton.= Bush's Third Term

Posted by: elme | May 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see what Obama does when he loses in West Virginia. The polls show Hillary 60 points ahead today.

Who will he give the finger to tomorrow night? The "bitter" hard working class people? gw

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

the Texas two-step was another contest so that'd be 55 and I think Washington state had both a caucus and a primary although only one counted -- that is 56.

Posted by: mutzy | May 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama made the same gaffe in Oregon - he said 57 states there when he went to that athletic event.

Also, do we really want these two angry people in the White House?

Michelle's angry outbursts are legendary, but people haven't said much about Obama giving Hillary the finger when he was upset about the Rev. Wright debacle. He also gave a reporter and the whole wide world the finger when he was standing by a gas station last week.

But the real kicker is a photo I saw on a Google Alert - I think the site has been taken down now since I mentioned it several times on another blog, but in the photo, Michelle Obama is sitting there, with so much anger in her face that it was unsettling, and very, very unattractive.

Certainly no Jackie Kennedy repeat there.

I didn't notice what Barack was doing at first - he was sitting next to her, and then, I couldn't believe my eyes, Barack was giving his own wife the finger during some kind of dinner function. The photo is priceless.

Her face was so angry, and it makes me worry about her anger towards Hillary, and our country, and our people. When she gives speeches she leans forward and with her dark worried brow look, chastizes and ostracizes her audience. Very uncomfortable to watch.

Michelle brought up the race card when she went on the morning shows and said, "THEY need to know this is possible."

And, "We're not going to do this again," when people kept saying, first Hillary, then Obama. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps the reason Senator Obama refuses to campaign in West Virginia is that the population is 95% white. It seems Senator Obama is guilty of racism even though he enjoys falsely accusing others."

Perhaps the reason Senator Obama is not campaigning energetically in W. Virginia (he's appearing there today) is that Clinton is ahead by 36 points in the polls. He's going after richer targets for the general election. It's call strategary (sorry, couldn't resist) not racism.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | May 12, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hi, I"m Obama and I've made certain that your votes in florida won't count for sh!t!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Like he did to Clinton in PA, bankrupt McCain by forcing him to fight early and often, preferably in expensive markets but anywhere he can show positive results. Beyond CO, MO, OH & FL, he should be opening offices and campaigning in VA, NC, GA, LA, AR, TN, NM & NV. He should be able to compete in every state on the west bank of the Mississippi and most on the east. In the fall of 2004 AL was under ten points for a while. If Kerry could compete without trying in AL, even if only for a short time, Obama has to be able to put two dozen states in play. The goal isn't to win them all, the goal is to make McCain look run down on TV and to make him go broke before October rolls around. Something the Democrats have forgotten is that you don't win when the whole game is played on your side of the fifty.

Posted by: muD | May 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP: I didn't see the interview, and I don't know how he got to 57.. but if you include the territories that can vote in primaries/caucuses, there are at least 54:

Puerto Rico
Virgin Islands
Guam
D.C.

I'm sure others can probably think of the other 3 he's referring to.

Posted by: rgb_ | May 12, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Campaigning in Florida will be about as effective as campaigning on the Moon. He can't win that state or Ohio, and without at least one of those he can't win the election. This is all a farcical exercise.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

ProudtobeGOP wrote: Speking with Wolf Blitzer, Senator Obama said he has visited 57 states. Of course, no one in the media uttered a peep about it because they're in luv with Obama. It's almost like they want him to win. Can you imagine the uproar if the R candidate had made such a slip? Talk about a double standard.

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That's the point: McCain is in his 70's and Obama is 57, er, 47.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA IS A GREAT BIG CHEAT

PREVENTS THE VOTERS OF FLORIDA FROM BEING COUNTED

PREVENTS THE VOTERS OF MICHIGAN FROM BEING COUNTED

NOW BREAKS THE RULES BEFORE THE DELEGATES ARE SEATED

OBAMA THINKS HE'S THE GD PRESIDENT ALREADY


SOMEONE BETTER TELL OBAMA HE LOST FLORIDA TWICE NOW


SOMEONE BETTER CALL HOWARD DUM DUM DEAN

OR THE WHITE HAIRED TROLLS WHO ARE CALLING THE SHOTS

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

HOW WISE IS IT FOR THE "PRESUMTIVE NOMINEE" TO CONCEDE KEY STATES
BEFORE A SINGLE VOTE IS COUNTED?

Chris: How is Obama not returning to West Virginia again a "wise move" because he's down 36 points? How is his refusing to really compete for what could be a key state smart politics? It shows that Obama is not a fighter. Bobby Kennedy went to W.Va. in '68 and, against all odds, he won the primary.

HILLARY IS WINNING ONLY AS A PROTEST VOTE

Obama is only going to look weaker and weaker as Hillary racks up more primary wins. It's not because the voters love Hillary. It's because they want another choice other than Obama, who lacks the requisite experience to be president, and carries substantial baggage in the form of Rev. Wright, Bitter-gate, effete-gate, etc.

Once again you declare Obama the presumptive nominee. Won't you be surprised when Hillary turns out to be John Edwards' stalking horse. Notice how the superdelegates are largely silent this morning? The predicted stampede to Obama won't happen because the supers are waiting it out. After Hillary triumphs in these final primaries, with Oregon her big surprise as she takes the suburbs and rural areas where Obama has shown he can't win, the supers very well may decide they need to nominate a candidate other than Obama or Hilllary. They surely won't reward Hillary with the nod; she has alienated the party's base as well as its leadership with her racially-tinged rhetoric and her "Three Faces of Eve" persona(s).

SUPERS SIT ON THEIR HANDS AND LOOK TO EDWARDS

Faced with a string of defeats as the primary season winds down, the supers will convince Obama to step aside, let Edwards take his delegates, and agree to run as Edwards' VP. That's the only way the supers can salvage this mess. Neither Obama nor Hillary can win, and that's why the supers are not and will not flock to Obama.

Look for John Edwards to become the Dem nominee, with Obama as his willing running mate, as Hillary plays the unwitting role of his stalking horse. It's the only path to victory in the fall.

Obama's followers will heed their candidate's call to support the ticket with him in the number two slot, and most of Hillary's backers will fall in the line. The party can afford to sacrifice Hillary's hard core of feminists and gays.

If Edwards can't make the sale, the supers will turn to Gore, again, with Obama as the veepee candidate.

Either Obama does the power play to checkmate Hillary now, before he looks extremely weak, or the supers will do it for him later, with the implicit threat that they will reluctantly support Hillary as the nominee if he doesn't see the light.

This is how all this will play out -- that is, if the Dems want to preserve a shot at winning in the fall. If they stick with Obama, or go for Hillary, it will be President John McCain in 2009.

Posted by: scrivener | May 12, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP: I didn't see the interview, and I don't know how he got to 57.. but if you include the territories that can vote in primaries/caucuses, there are at least 54:

Puerto Rico
Virgin Islands
Guam
D.C.

I'm sure others can probably think of the other 3 he's referring to.

Posted by: rgb_ | May 12, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Wait till the day after the election when people begin to reach under their seats for the promised "Goody Bag" and all they find is the "Oprbama" Gift Tax". Won't that be a kick in the fanny...

Posted by: sam51 | May 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a good plan to me. While Hillary's campaign falls deeper into debt ($20 million+), Obama is out there getting voters fired up about the general election.

It's Obama vs. McCain now, no way around it. And to the guy who thinks Obama is breaking the rules, the candidates simply agreed not to campaign in MI and FL before their primaries. Hillary campaigned in Florida the same night of the primary. All perfectly legal.

I wish Obama would do a giant rally here in Los Angeles. All of these other states get to see him, but out here in the big city we don't get the chance.

Posted by: Existenz | May 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Good for him. The primary is over - it's just there are quite a few people who are either too stupid (the media, although they are SLOWLY coming around) or too delusional (the Hillarycrats) to know it. He needs to start defining McCain as just another Bush clone and that's what he is doing.

Posted by: Ohio guy | May 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Hello? Aren't they supposed to NOT CAMPAIGN IN Michigan and Florida? BEFORE THE DELEGATES ARE ALLOTED?

HE A FREAKING CHEAT

HE THINKS HE'S THE GD PRESIDENT

SOMEONE BETTER CALL HOWARD


THIS IS TOTALLY BREAKING THE RULES


Hey smart guy, those primaries are over. Get over it. He is campaigning for the general election.

Posted by: svreaderjr | May 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Mark in Austin writes
"How many provinces in Canada? Do you think BHO has designs on British Colombia?"

Perhaps he has his mind on their OIL.

Posted by: bsimon | May 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood."

Also, I can't help but note, seeing how Senator Obama was born in the United States, that makes him an American - and qualified to be President, according to the constitution. For those that still live under its mandates.

Posted by: bsimon | May 12, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Correction:

West Virginia's primary isn't "next Tuesday." It's tomorrow.

I think you are mixing up the dates for West Virginia and Kentucky, Chris.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | May 12, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

No analysis is needed. LIbscum news media has been giving this man a pass for over z year and will continue t odo so; no matter what stupidity he utters.

Posted by: Ohio Republiscum | May 12, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood."

And if his mother was Jewish, under Jewish law, that would make him a Jew.

Do thinking people really care?

Posted by: bsimon | May 12, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Mindless blather from mindless wonders.....deal with it losers, Obama WILL be the next president.

Posted by: pj451 | May 12, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the reason Senator Obama refuses to campaign in West Virginia is that the population is 95% white. It seems Senator Obama is guilty of racism even though he enjoys falsely accusing others.

Posted by: Beetle | May 12, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

What do you mean, before West Virginia's primary NEXT Tuesday? It's tomorrow.

Posted by: John | May 12, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse


Hello? Aren't they supposed to NOT CAMPAIGN IN Michigan and Florida? BEFORE THE DELEGATES ARE ALLOTED?

HE A FREAKING CHEAT

HE THINKS HE'S THE GD PRESIDENT

SOMEONE BETTER CALL HOWARD


THIS IS TOTALLY BREAKING THE RULES


Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Time to heal the primary wounds. Traveling to FL will be key. He needs the Sunshine State.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: mpp | May 12, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Proud, POTUS'08 mentioned it and asked listeners to be alert for it before they played the tape. I laughed. How many provinces in Canada? Do you think BHO has designs on British Colombia?

Posted by: MarkInAustin | May 12, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has emerged as a classic example of charismatic leadership -- a figure upon whom others project their own hopes and desires.

The resulting emotional intensity adds greatly to the more conventional strengths of the well-organized Obama campaign, and it has certainly sufficed to overcome the formidable initial advantages of Senator Hillary Clinton.

One danger of such charisma, however, is that it can evoke unrealistic hopes of what a candidate could actually accomplish in office regardless of his own personal abilities.

Case in point is the oft-made claim that an Obama presidency would be welcomed by the Muslim world.

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother's Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian,...

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is "irtidad" or "ridda," usually translated from the Arabic as "apostasy," but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder.


Of all the well-meaning desires projected on Senator Obama, the hope that he would decisively improve relations with the world's Muslims is the least realistic.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Maybe since he's just a politician after allaccording to his pastor, the Muslims will overlook it this one time.


Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the pundits will pay attention to Obama's gaffes, like his big one on Friday, since he's the presumptive D nominee.

Speking with Wolf Blitzer, Senator Obama said he has visited 57 states. Of course, no one in the media uttered a peep about it because they're in luv with Obama. It's almost like they want him to win. Can you imagine the uproar if the R candidate had made such a slip? Talk about a double standard.

Maybe if Obama hadn't decided to stop wearing a flag pin, he may have known just how many states there are in the union.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 12, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

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