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Obama's Late V.P. Date: Pros and Cons

With Barack Obama's schedule now public through tomorrow night -- he spends the next 48 hours on a bus tour through Virginia -- it seems increasingly likely that the announcement of his vice presidential pick will come Friday or even Saturday.

Such a late pick, coming 72 hours or less before the opening of the Democratic National Convention in Denver, carries both potential risks and rewards for the Obama campaign.

The Fix interviewed a handful of top strategists from each party and asked them to outline the pros and cons of such a late choice by Obama. A sampling of their best ideas are below. Have some of your own? The comments section is open for business.

PROS

Media Domination: Speculation about who the pick will be has dominated news coverage this week. By holding off on the announcement until late this week (or even this weekend), Obama ensures wall-to-wall coverage over the weekend and in the direct run-up to the start of the convention. As Chris Cooper, a Democratic direct mail consultant put it: "They have definitely squeezed this decision for all the earned media value it is worth, and with no leaks, they are in total control. Brilliant."

Leak Proof: The ability to control a campaign's day-to-day messaging is a critical part of any successful bid. And, the only way you can ensure message control is to keep leaks to a minimum. Obama's campaign prides itself on the code of silence among its top strategists and, so far at least, the lack of major leaks about the veep deliberations has been impressive. With almost no new information about the pick coming out of the Obama campaign, the focus of the veepstakes coverage has been on the relative strengths and weaknesses of each of the serious candidates. That focus works in Obama's favor, according to a Democratic strategist granted anonymity to speak freely. "The debate is not on Obama's experience (or lack thereof) but on the merits of the most highly qualified VP selections," the source said.

Limit V.P. Exposure: If the pick comes either Friday or Saturday and is followed -- as expected -- by a swing state tour featuring Obama and the vice presidential nominee, there will be a VERY limited window in which the veep will be on his (or her) own. That means a very short period of time in which the vice presidential nominee can screw up or take the ticket off message. And, even if the veep pick does make a misstep, it is much more likely to be diluted or even missed entirely among the crush of convention coverage.

Convention/Post-Convention on Steroids: Announcing his vice presidential pick so soon before the start of the convention, makes the four days in Denver feel all that much more special. (To the Fix's mind, it's like living separately when you are engaged and then moving in together when you are married. Just adds a little special something.) And, when the inevitable bus/boat/airplane tour comes post-convention, there will be more excitement surrounding it with a freshly minted vice president by Obama's side.

CONS

The Clinton Conundrum: While most political insiders have long considered Hillary Rodham Clinton a long shot -- at best -- to be Obama's vice presidential pick, many of the most ardent supporters of the New York senator are still holding out hope that she will be the pick. Assuming she's not (and it seems a pretty safe assumption at this point), there will be real unhappiness in some circles about Clinton being passed over; that discontent isn't likely to resolve itself in the 48 or even 72 hours between when the pick is announced and when the convention starts, a reality that could lead to more public division at the convention than party bigwigs would like.

Lost Swing State Opportunity: Vice presidential nominees are, in the words of one Democratic operative, "force multipliers." That is, according to the source: "Candidate visits have more impact than spending the equivalent on television ads in a given market so every day [Obama] waits means four media markets that don't get a visit that day." That point is especially true given Obama's pledge to expand the traditional presidential playing field into states like South Dakota, Kansas and Alaska. A single visit to any of those states by a vice presidential candidate would draw HUGE coverage locally as none of them have seen a member of the national ticket in any election in modern political history. Could the veep pick make a quick stop in them some time in September or October? Of course. But, every day post Labor Day is precious and the campaign may not want to "waste" one in a state that is considered a longshot.

Momentum Changer: The storyline in the campaign over the last month has been the alleged comeback of McCain with polls -- including a new one by the Los Angeles Times and Bloomberg -- showing the race narrowing. Obama and his team have clearly been playing defense of late -- a position that could have been remedied by an earlier veep selection. "[Obama's] been getting killed the last 2-3 weeks, his numbers have dropped and he really could have used a veep nominee to fight back as only a good veep nominee can," said one prominent Republican strategist. Not only would an earlier vice presidential pick allowed Obama to, in essence, double team McCain but it would also have let the Illinois Senator play the good cop while his vice presidential pick adopted the bad cop/attack dog role against McCain.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 20, 2008; 12:42 PM ET
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Comments

Obama has been consistently underestimated by "The Establishment". Hillary underestimated him. The press has underestimated him in the primaries and continues to do so. Rove and McCain underestimate him, at least publically. I don't agree with everything Obama does, but wake up people, Obama and his staff have shown the most discipline, professionalism, fund raising ability, and voter registration of anyone else in the playing field. The only thing McCain is ahead in is gaffes.

Posted by: Paul Chouinard | August 22, 2008 4:33 AM | Report abuse

If noone else wants to say it then I will, Hillary-you lost. Fair and square, you took an L. Get over it and deal with it. Clinton backers, stop whining about it and deal with it. The only thing worse than a sore winner is a sore loser.

Posted by: joshtheVET | August 22, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Come together my FOOT!

Posted by: eyc | August 21, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

dear Aspergirl: I believe that YOU were the one who said your comments should not be taken seriously! Of course I understand that you were referring to one of your earlier comments and my reaction was, perhaps, a little too subtle jibe at a propensity some have on this site of veering way off the topic of this post. As for the rest, I do not even know what in the world you are talking about.

"You Kossacks are indeed as dumb as you sound and act."

I beg your pardon? I do not know these "Kossacks" and fail to see what about my post or any post would lead anyone to say such a thing.

" But you'd rather bully someone who tells you what the party is doing wrong, than question anything."

If I have been guilty of bullying, I would want to have it pointed out. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else.

"Just wondering, does the cult of Obama over at DailyKos also make you wear those polygamist prairie dresses, in addition to the lame, dim-bulb, sociopathic groupthink to which you submit?"

This is just beyond the pale. I have never engaged in this sort of persiflage and quite frankly do not know what it has to do with what I am sure are very valid points you want to make.

For the record: I do support Obama and i have NEVER vilified anyone who has a different opinion.

Posted by: dch | August 21, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

>>dch wrote: "Aspergirl, Please believe us when we say that we would never dream of taking you seriously!"

dch, of course I'm glad you would never dream of taking my investing and energy markets commentary seriously.

Firstly, as my post said, I'd never recommend anyone buy/sell anything because the markets are so volatile right now that even if the advice was sound, the timing can kill you if you buy/sell on the wrong day.

Secondly, I've made a pile on the trades I made consistent with my energy markets commentary, particularly in the past 2 days, so I'm glad to know that I did and you didn't.

You Kossacks are indeed as dumb as you sound and act.

BTW have you seen the commentary today that the Dems stupid Congressional posturing on offshore drilling has helped grease Obama's slide? But you'd rather bully someone who tells you what the party is doing wrong, than question anything.

Just wondering, does the cult of Obama over at DailyKos also make you wear those polygamist prairie dresses, in addition to the lame, dim-bulb, sociopathic groupthink to which you submit?

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 21, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

If I were in O's position & wanted the VP selection to be a headliner surprise & dominate the news, I would float every name but the VP nominee to the media. This means it may well be HRC. As for Bill, I'd broker a deal with NY's Dem gov to appoint Bill to fill HRC's uncompleted Senate term & when I announce her name, also announce this to the media.

Posted by: Bernie in VA | August 21, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

and o ba ma did what...

you are dancing in a place that is not reality now...

you are silly.

make comments that are adult and smart...not like the "oh yeah...well your daddy is weird" kindof arguments.

they don't add to the discussion

especially in electionwhere the fate of our countries future lies in us reralizing how we need to change...and not be scared intimidated into believing this war mongering old guy who use to be a little more level...but who helped get us into this situation with his war mongering drum beat...

should not be President.

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Sorry guys

Bill C. has problems with vetting. and at this late date unless they were really good at keeping it secret (which I am pretty sure vetting Bill C's finances in secrecy would be impossible)

it's not going to be Hillary.

Bill is a hurdle for a number of reasons not the least of which is his finances especially overseas.

and it's one thing to open his books for Hillary to be President...it is entirely another for him to open his books for her to be 2nd to Obama...which would make Bill a distant third.

I do think she will do everything she can at the convention...otherwise...if obama doesn't get elected...mark my words...she loses her Senate seat in NY (and before anyone yells the numbers back me up on that...and PUMA isn't helping...just going to end up removing another one of the few women we have left in the senate... the opposite direction of where we need to go to get a woman in the White House eventually...PUMA you should be increasing the pool not shrinking it...ugh).

So again why this late date is bad and was a mistake. It could have looked like a strong intelligent choice by Obama...now it's going to look like one that was fraught with self interest and insecurity...

dumb just dumb

Posted by: dl | August 21, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Despite CC's "Assuming she's (VP)not (and it seems a pretty safe assumption at this point)" line, Obama is taking Hillary Clinton. I guarantee it.

Posted by: Don't worry Sarah | August 21, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

What a shame Obama is so egotistical that he won't choose the one person that will ENSURE a whitehouse win = Hillary Clinton.

If Hillary is the Veep - I'll vote for him, it will show that he truly is for party unity.

If anyone else is his VP - I will vote for McCain.

Posted by: Sarah in Tampa | August 21, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm a democrat and I want to win this November so Hillary supporters seriously enough is enough. I get it. You like her. You think she would be a better choice. You think she would be a great president. And, you know what, maybe she would have. But, she lost. She didn't lose because they didn't count Michigan or Florida. And she didn't lose because Obama hit her with a bunch of cheap shots. She lost because she didn't have enough votes. As simple as it is true. And just like if Hillary won the nomination she would've expected Obama backers to come on over and fight the good fight against the Republicans so too does Obama.

The infighting will do no good. It will not cause Hillary to get the nomination. And it certainly won't make her president. But, if we can't all come together as one now it has the real chance of making McCain one. Think Hillary won't have much of a voice in an Obama administration? How loud of a voice is she going to have in a Republican one

Honestly, if the Democrats lose the election this year--a year when it should be a given-- it won't be because we have candidate that doesn't provide hope. And it won't be because we have a candidate with no new ideas and no energy. It will because we just couldn't get out of our own way.

For the past 20 years the country has been run by two families: The Bushes and The Clintons. They've had their chance. It's time for the one thing we've heard over and over this election season. It's time for change.

Obama 08'

Posted by: Emma | August 21, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Resilience - Resilience is the property of a material to absorb energy when it is deformed elastically and then, upon unloading to have this energy recovered. ...

Psychological resilience - Resilience in psychology is the positive capacity of people to cope with stress and catastrophe. It is also used to indicate a characteristic of resistance, or the ability to resist...


you slack jawed hosers who have no character, since that is how your family trained you have all the of a poove under pressure....and would give up the company store if pressured sufficiently


which is why they shall remove you afterwards permanently or keep you well hidden so as prevent you from crapping on or alerting others about their theft of AMERICA's future...


.

Posted by: tesseracts of love density applied to the too dense... | August 21, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I could kick your azz,

and still make a souffle'


you have all of the mental resilliance of my dirty socks


wanna dance little prince?


I got some shoes to shine wearing out your shorts....


or are you all mouth? one of George's boys...


you like to play hide the salaami in your behind?


do tell.

Posted by: whatever... | August 20, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

broke the "Clinton machine,"


what "machine would that be?


when you talk about a "machine" little boy, you need to talk about the


60 years that George H.W. Bush, Rumsfeld, the DichCheenie, James Baker the III, and some CIA/BayofPigs/Mafia/IRANCONTRA/MAFIA/FLORIDA/JFKassination/Nixon

people worked to run the con going on behind the presidents...


if you want to tell the truth....if you want to embolden, or keep someone from looking by giving false praise.....then I applaud you, you're doing that...

what o ba ba man really did was, take advantage of

16 years of shyyte slinging by the Republicans


o ba ba man did that????


most certainly.


and his miraulous ride to the nomination, has been partially paid for by republicans hoping to face the lesser candidate......which is what they achieved....


SEARCH on George McGovern, Hubert Humphrey, Nixon, Rove


it's happened before....Hubert Humphrey never knew what hit him....McGovern was taken out by the same defamtion machine that attacked Hillary...

Rove was a player _then_ or the protege of one...he was there during the McGovern defeat as a nominee...

doesn't take a genius to reuse a winning strategy....


o ba ba man, was thinking it would be easy, 'til they took away the republican support masquerading as democrats


oh my.


.

Posted by: O ba ma did what? | August 20, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

"let's" Is a retarded spammer. Go back to your institution.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl,

Please believe us when we say that we would never dream of taking you seriously!

Posted by: dch | August 20, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

face it....

the movers and shakers sell you lesser goods...


McCain and Obama,

so that they don't have to worry about controlling them...

either one is just glad to be here,

and will do whatever you tell them to do...


if this were a company hiring a director, or a manager....the company would fail.

maybe that's what is wrong with AMERICA, you're not hiring for the job,


you're hiring for who will most likely do what he's told.....


in the graft, influence peddling, non_compete contract, comity, pork, favors for favors


market place.

you know the one that you all don't talk about in public....you're too busy talking about

Cindy or Michelle or Ankleless Annie

right? that's what you sell-----emotional detritus...


you're scum.


thanks so much for your espionage.


.you've destroyed AMERICA.


.

Posted by: let's | August 20, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Mc Cain is the crumbling facade of decadence,


he is the "dream doll"

the wooden, howdie doody dummy that may eventually stand in front of the


GRAFT and influence PEDDLING buying and selling "as an electoral process" machine...


like Regan did...let's face the truth honestly....the 10 year host of "Death Valley Dayz" wasn't the brightest bulb on the planet...


he just kept you busy while the boyz robbed the store...


bushCO und CRONERSTAG aren't in love with meester McCain as a position that they "have to support"

they'd be just as glad if O ba ba man rolled their way too...


either one would do, if they can keep them contained/submissive/led to conclusions....


it's what they plan on and hope for.


they don't see any difference between the two...really....they're just controlling the market so the people don't have or get a real choice....whether it's


young and ineffective or old and submissive


they still get their way...


and you all don't get your way.


at best you're all "house slaves," wearing fine clothes, going to shyytehouse soirees and kissing the blessed salaami like Broder, Hiatt, Kurtz, and others shunts of disinformation...spreading KARL ROVES PROPAGANDA....and


pointing at those outside of washington working in the fields, as being unimportant/lesser,


as you serve/go down on, your masters, and keep the rest subjugated.


.you are the shameless.


you are the blame for the demise of AMERICA's quality of life


not the predators in CONGRESS and working the various administrations...

Posted by: your betters.....


kiss my azz.

Posted by: HELLOOOOOOOOOO WASHINGTON POST..... | August 20, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Making fun of candidates' wives' middle names is petty.

Barack Obama isn't really proud of America anymore now that America hates his wife.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Delay the honeymoon as long as possible especially with the Olympics getting primary coverage. I thought long primary was good. Delayed the honeymoon there. I think Obama does better with a small lead anyway. Obama won with a small lead in the Primary will win in November with a small lead. He is a good pacer. He is like a cat. Slowly and gradually and then pounces. In my view, its a miracle that he has a lead at all. People say that it should be a Democrat year, maybe with a known quantity. This guy a "0" experience and he is ahead by two or three points. Now, if Hillary was this close I would be worried, but Obama, no way. Its almost like the Mayor of my home village of tiny Naples, NY running for President. Obama broke the Clinton machine, he will slowly, but surely break away, until it crumbles the Republican Machine. Plus he has more than double the money. Obama is biding his time, saving his money, letting McCain spend much of his money on early ads and pounce with a 1/2 a billion dollar explosion 50 state ad campaign that will make McCain's head spin round and round and I'm a McCain man. I have never in my political junkie life seen anything like it.

Posted by: Karl Warrington | August 20, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Someone should coach Michelle Shaniqua Obama on poise and grace. Perhaps she should take elocution lessons. It would be be a great advantage for her husband if she could learn to supress her inner ghetto.

She would also benifit from a makeover. Her exagerated features and her amazonian stature make her appear mannish and awkward. When she speaks at the convention she should wear clothing that is slimming and something that doesn’t highlight her prominent hips.

http://www.nypost.com/

Posted by: Dianne72 | August 20, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Just few WORDS from Uncle Wright.

Please do not ignore me.

The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people.

God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people ... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.

We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.

We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.
We started the AIDS virus ... as a means of genocide against people of color.

Just words?

Posted by: Wright | August 20, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice - in all the Obama VP speculation - no one has mentioned who is ABSENT from the Democratic Convention speakers list?
I just read it online. Of all the potential VP's mentioned in the news only Tim Kaine is not slotted for a speaking spot. Glaring omission or obvious signal?

Posted by: Midwest Dem | August 20, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72, sorry to correct you but the poll of polls shows BO about the same as before his vacation -- ahead a bit. Let me also correct you BEFORE you post your usual hate rant, Michelle's middle name is not Shaniqua, something you have falsely posted about, uh, 500 times here. Also don't bother tell us, falsely, how she eats. Now go back to throwing rocks at moving cars from the highway overpass and putting gum underneath the chairs at the diner. Good night.

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 20, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Cons....

My sister has a contract to operate 16 vending tables selling everything democratic
in denver
and has no idea 72 hrs in advance of being open for business who the vp will be.......

Posted by: paul vogel | August 20, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama is declining in the polls! I am absoulutely loving it.

Posted by: Dianne72 | August 20, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Excellent words, my friend "intcamd1." Would you respectfully join me for a drink on the ship? Oh, which ship? The USS Forrestal 1967. See you on deck.

Posted by: MacJr | August 20, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Holding up the VP announcement until the very last moment then announcing Hillary Clinton creates the biggest impact.

That truly would be Democratic Party Convention on steroids.

Posted by: walker1 | August 20, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, I mean PoliticalPuck, you took too many slap shots. Snap out of it.

The only thing that has people frazzled is the new poll (unfavorable to Barry), which is totally bogus. BO's base includes huge numbers of young people, progressives, AAs, amigos, the hep and the hip, normal working people, you know, people who have a life. None of these folks have land phones. So when Zogby or Rasmussen do their bogus polling calls, they only reach the Buick and Paul Harvey set, sitting on the porch waiting for their Just-On-TV clapper or Sears catalog to come in the mail. The Hillarians' antics, dutifully covered by their media plants, also are a tremendous drag on BO's numbers. We will only know the real deal at the final poll, the actual vote. Because of this X factor, we may be seeing a Barry landslide.

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 20, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain was forewarning his suporters that at this point NObama would be ahead big time in polls but that he (Mac) would eventually catch up.

How unnecessary?!

The polls are essentially tied. In some, Mac is even ahead. A generic democrat beats a generic Repug by 13 pts but Mac and Nob are tied; what are these voters saying? There is no generic dem and no generic Repug at this point, just Mac and Nob. What does it mean? When the D-day comes, it is anti-Nob vote.

In the meanwhile, the groupie gutter rat fans of Nob insist on insulting Clinton and her supporters any which way they can. That media prostitute Mo Dowd uses her paid position at NYT to write an anti-HRC diatribe every day - she is on her own private vendetta mission against CLinton, and NYT is happy to pay her salary and provide air time - what a disgrace.

However, all this has a silver lining. It serves to remind the Clinton supporters about all the ugly racism and sexism of Nob and his supporters and his media prostitute pals. It serves to keep the % of Clinton supporters that will stay home or vote Mac at 35 or more.

So, I say, gutter rat groupies of Nob, bring it on; keep trashing HRC; the final laugh will be on you, when Nob gets his behind kicked in a year when every other Repug will lose his or her shirt.

It is called comeuppance.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 20, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats lose Presidential elections in August: Happened four years ago and in 1988.

It's happening again this year.

Obama has spent $300 million on his campaign and voters still don't know him, other than the liberal elite and African American voters.

I've voted Democrat in every Presidential election since 1984. Not this year.

Posted by: PoliticalPuck | August 20, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl

I cant take you seriously if all you do is bash OBAMA. Which means you are a fool and dont know any better in general .

McCain is just to ill tempered and ODD to be president. I see it in his eyes, the way he presents himself. That phony forced smile on his face. ODD.

And I'm not the only one. Some fifteen, twenty years ago made this statement. Quote:

"The thought of him being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." Sen. Thad Cochran.

Cochran has since said that McCain has cooled down and is a different fellow now. My question now is what kind of black market meds is Cindy giving him to settle the poor old fart buster down? I need to know.

Then this one.

"I decided I did int want this guy anywhere near a trigger." Sen. Pete Domenici

They where only expressing miss givings. The same kind I get when I see and listen to McCain. The man is ODD and that free ride he's been getting is about to end.

hate reducing myself to being a basher of McCain. Sometimes I'm no different then most of the haters posting on here. But Ive had my fill of McCain getting away with not answering questions that need to be addressed.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 20, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA doesn't need Hillary. I wouldn't mind but its not necessary.

They do not gel. There are to many hard feelings between the camps.

Oh well. what ever. OBAMA will be our next president. Its a foregone conclusion

McCain has been having a ball these past couple of weeks but all that is coming to an end. A few days from now, coinciding with the democratic convention, articles on McCain's link to organized crime in Arizona will be made public.

His ties to his late father in law John Hensley who had ties with a mob boss named Kemper Marley who financed Hensley for over $200million to start a beer business back in the eighties. Which also helped finance McCain's venture into politics.

Its out there and its about to be let loose.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 20, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the words of encouragement, Captain John. Let's hope BO has just been keeping his powder dry. If BO makes a good veep pick, and the harpies and their leader aren't too idiotic at the convention, it'll be okay.

I'll stand down now.

Posted by: Captain America | August 20, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Good points, but I'd say the Obama team (yes, TEAM) has their eye on the ball and knows what it is doing.

In any 'normal' news cycle, Friday would be a day to hide the news. Not this Friday. From the Olympics in Beijing to the Russian incursion in Georgia, Americans are watching TV. And Mr. Obama's VP choice is one of the big-three.

Standby, and hold on...

Posted by: Captain John | August 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

My friend, Aspergirl, care to join me on a casual cruise? Our ship? Glad you respectfully asked me. The USS Forrestal 1967.

Posted by: MacJr | August 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 WAYS TO TELL YOUR ELITIST NOMINEE IS A WAFFLER

Says he's a "change" candidate because he won't take cynical positions for politically expedient reasons, but after primary season ends he has a new position on what "change" means

Claims that stating his feelings about a prospective VP is above his "pay grade"

Waits until the 3rd night of the Republican convention to name his VP candidate

On a campaign swing through Georgia, says he is leaving but then really stays on, looking for cool, friendly Russians

Decides that the price of arugula in Whole Foods is not that expensive after all

Changes his position from "some limited offshore drilling might be acceptable, given the right conditions and controls" to "some limited offshore drilling might be desirable, given the right conditions and controls"

Claims that he now has an opinion as to when a baby acquires human rights: when Barack Obama drops 5 points in the Zogby/LA Times poll

His wife is no longer proud of America now that he's falling in the polls

Changes current debate grievance from "Stephanopolus shanked me" to "The Man gamed the forum"

Now that he's dropping in the polls and needs her, when the phone rings at 3 a.m., he rolls over and asks Hillary Clinton if she'll get it

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

the O supporters here just hours before the Democratic Convention are truly insane making repeated comments like this:

"harpies and the mentals who follow Mrs. W.J. Clinton"

a textbook lesson in politics on how to lose an election.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 20, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

As many posters have pointed out, this is part of the media myth of Mrs. W.J. Clinton's "18 million supporters."

If each supporter gave one dollar, her debt (incurred after she had already mathematically lost to BO in the primary) would vanish. What is not a myth is that the cable bloviator shows, desperate to fill dead air, give unlimited time to the harpies and the mentals who follow Mrs. W.J. Clinton so they can deliver their anti-BO hate blasts. As a result, this handful of foul-mouthed, nicotine-stained yahoos that show up at the political events seem like 18 million.

It is hard to believe that after the r-card, the RFK A-card, the the-other-party's-guy-is-better-than-BO card, the unending off-camera bad mouthing of BO by HRC Inc. -- the unceasing sliming of BO -- the harpies are still pushing for their leader as veep. Oh yeah, if they don't get their way, they will scream and holler and put paper in their ears Carmella Lewis style at the convention.

News flash: those bigoted unhinged losers aren't going to vote for BO under any circumstances. BO, forget about their 18 votes and move on past the HRC train wreck. Also don't go to any more debates called "Saddleback" where the moderator promises to place the debaters under some "cone of silence" (so they won't hear the questions in advance): BO gets the real silencing cone and Mac gets, well, an ice cream cone. Guess who wins? Where's Axelrod? What's going on???? As bogus as the Reuters phone poll showing BO behind is (a sampling of 1000 people out of 300,000,000 tells us something?), it is a wake-up call. So, as Spike Lee would say, WAKE-UP, Barry!!!!

Cap
__________

Posted by: SS3 | August 20, 2008 4:32 PM
bondjedi - What an excellent point you bring up! If Hillary does still have HALF the Democratics on her side, why IS she still in so much debt?

Posted by: Captain America | August 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

There's a really good, short Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal by the author of "The Case Against Obama"

Obama Played by Chicago Rules
By DAVID FREDDOSO

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121918996082755013.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

bonjedi: curious if you ever agree with anyone other than your own egocentric and totally outrageous posts?

Please explain how your comments like this help your candidate:

"Now Hillary is begging like a homeless vet at a crowded intersection"

and you think it is the big Lie that 28% of HC supporters will not be voting for your guy and are busy contributing their time and money to local D candidates? Try getting involved in REAL campaigns rather than just running your mouthg and insulting everyone who doesn't fall all over your rants which undermine your own campaign with your filth.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 20, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

It is funny how everything Obama does can and is viewed by the Obamedia in a favorable light.

First your supposed 'pros'
• Media Domination: Normally, one would say that anything announced on Friday is done to avoid excessive coverage. One could also say that the Olympics Coverage will supress any Veep coverage. But no, you have to put a positive spin on it.

• Leak Proof: This 'secrecy' is being taken to an extreme. I am reminded of a Ron Suskind quote about the current administration - that lots of admininstrtaions saw secrecy as a necessary evil, but the current one sees it as a virtue. So seems to be the secrecy fetish with Obama.

• Limit V.P. Exposure: If the fear is that the Veep candidate will screw up between the announcement and the convention - what does it say about the quality of the picking process? This in view of the fact that Obama himself didn't have the great scrutiny the Veep is apparently going through!

• Convention/Post-Convention on Steroids: Your 'explanation' sounds so hollow, so groupyish, so fawning, ...

and the 'cons'

• The Clinton Conundrum: It never was. Can't imagine an experienced Clinton, a Biden, an aging Nunn being so chosen. Normally presidents want sycophants, and so does this neophyte.

• Lost Swing State Opportunity: "Candidate visits have more impact than spending the equivalent on television ads in a given market so every day [Obama] waits means four media markets that don't get a visit that day".

Give Obama a break, or two, or three. He needs his Hawaii vacation every so often, just as George Bush needs to exercize and play video games!

• Momentum Changer: "[Obama's] been getting killed the last 2-3 weeks, his numbers have dropped and he really could have used a veep nominee to fight back as only a good veep nominee can" - pity a charismatic, messianic, omniscient, omnipotent Obama needing the boost from a lowly Veep!

Imagine in this walk-away year for Democrats, Obama, with his obscene fund raising advantage, running even with the senile McCain! What does it say about the Superman from South Side?

Amazing!!!

Posted by: Krishna | August 20, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I think not doing it before Friday's dead news cycle is throwing away great free press. The convention will get that as it is. The DNC screwed themselves with this long dragged out election. It looks more and more that they will get what they deserve.

Posted by: patrick NYC | August 20, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The running mate Mr. Obama chooses will be greeted with wide acclamation by all, including John "All War- All The Time" McCain.

Posted by: bobnsri | August 20, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

remember where


the "Powers THAT REALLY CARE ABOUT AMERICA"


had that talk between Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama?????


on neutral ground after the house had been wired by George W. Bush and company....


who is DIANNE FEINSTEIN????

Thursday, May 03, 2007
Dianne Feinstein's husband owner of two defense contractors

Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat from California, has had her hand in the public cookie jar for years, according to the report below. She was in favor of the Iraq war, and now we know why: Her husband, Richard C. Blum, stood to gain millions of dollars in defense contracts as majority owner of two substantial, and oft-awarded defense contractors, URS Corp. and Perini Corp.

As the chairperson in charge of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee from 2001 through 2005, the senator funneled military projects to her husband's companies.

Now, in the most ironic twist of all: Dianne Feinstein is in charge of the Senate Rules Committee, the "ethics" arm of the U.S. Senate.

Will she charge herself with ethics violations? I think not.

Senator Feinstein's FLAGRANT

IRAQI Conflict OF INTEREST

| Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington...

I'm sure O ba ba man knew all about this when he was talking with Hillary "in privacy"

you knew it too, didn't you AMERICA...

DIANNE WAS A DECIDING VOTE in getting the panderer to zionism into the AG position too...MuckCaskey the zionist shunt....the little sheman in charge of making sure justice is done for the United States...


like hell

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Posted by: think again little squirrels.... | August 20, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

WHAT DO OUR TURKISH ALLIES THINK ABOUT IRAQ???

http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1985

Iraq of Bush and Cheney

by a Turk, Abdel Wahab Badrakhan


Tuesday , 21 March 2006


On the third anniversary marking the start of War on Iraq, and after all what happened since the occupation, it is yet to be known if another people is willing to hand in its fate to the US soliciting liberation from a "blood-thirsty" dictator, only to cast it into the mazes of a fierce civil war. It is true that the sway of Saddam's governance created an apparent "stability," a seemingly "unified" country, as well as a people more incline to "secular" behavior, also apparently.

However, the architects of the INVASION and OCCUPATION considered the possibility of using "the positive fundamentals" of the previous regime; they rather relied thereon as encouraging elements for war.

Once the INVADERS arrived to Baghdad and overthrew the regime and its statues, they

started to destroy everything,

the State,

the Army,

and the institutions

(except for the part related to oil).

The occupation authority ended up standing on the ruins of a country, to the extend of uprooting police centers even in regions where it was not even present.

There was no one left to call in case of emergency. No police, no emergency vehicles, no doctors, no lawyers, no justice, no hospitals, no telephone, no reliable transportation, no drinking water, no jobs....

________________________________________________

this is what the WORLD SEEs, including our TURKISH ALLIES, a bushCO und Cronies


theft and


_________O_C_C_U_P_A_T_I_O_N___________


hey Katie Kouric, get your head out of Georges behind...your nose is turning brown...

.


.

WHY WOULD GEORGIE WORGIE, our own GAY PRINCE, DO SUCH A THING ????


destroy an entire country, and it's infrastructure ???

cast 4,000,000 REFUGEES into other countries....

LISTEN CLOSELY: people just trying to survive, don't fight back...it's what the rich do to peasants...


it's happening in AMERICA....

they let themselves be told what their choices are....

and they don't contest them...

thier lives are hanging by a string as it is...

they don't need no fricking "liberation," they need food, water, clothing, electricity, a job


and the BAD GUYS to _disappear_


not the AMERICANs the liars telling lies, the current administration and complicit CONGRESS including DIANNE FEINSTEIN ( a democrat whose husband runs a war fraud company based in bahdhad )


why isn't AMERICA fighting back against it's own dictatorship ???


WE are too busy TOO, trying to "get by," not to ask for too much so we don't get fired, lose our pensions, have our jobs moved overseas...lose insurance...

WE have to just keep taking it, don't we?


look at the empty factories

look at customer service overseas

look at computer jobs, overseas

look at medical jobs going overseas

look at foreigners controlling former AMERICAN COPORATIONS, and making decisions based upon what is best for their "families," AND NOT EVEN considering what is best for AMERICA at all...


globalization ??? right....that's what it is.

if you consider the MAFIA a governing body


bushCO and CRONYs und families is ~= mafia


"~=" means is "approximately equal to"


give it up for ORGANIZED CRIME, that is what bushCO and CRONYs are...

.EXAMPLEs:
1. Scooter Libby

2. IRAN CONTRA in the whitehouse

3. bush family collusion w/nazis, with no repurcussion...teaching the children that treason is alright as long as no one prosecutes.

.

want to end your empty pocketbooks tomorrow???


stop the war fraud, imprison the executive branch en masse in GITMO, and sue them into oblivion...

take their properties and have the next president declare the ECONOMY TO BE A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE...


and if BIG OIL BALKs????


nationalize them....put them on GS Scale wages, including the CEO's until we can sort things out...


if they don't concur during a NATIONAL EMERGENCY???


puttheirslimeyazzes in jail to cool for acouple of decades...


.


Posted by: oh, I see there's some afraid of me repulsive scammers hitting these blog sites....oh my... | August 20, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The biggest game changer in this election will be the economy. PPI was at 10% in July. The Economist predicts -1% GDP growth in the 3Q, which will be officially announced a week before the election. Prior to that, expect regular news about mounting job losses, spiking inflation and more bank closures.

McCain thinks he can win with Rovian silliness, but the 1992 Clinton mantra will hold true: It's the Economy, Stupid!

McCain has proven to be truly stupid on economics.

Posted by: AxelDC | August 20, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl, I am busy consulting with over 800 advisors. I love being thoughtful and ruminating. If Iran ever attacks us, I will wait for the next President to make my move. Just like my idol Jimmy.

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

bonjedi, those loans were to be repaid with a bunch of pardons and overnight visits.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Misleading Cons | August 20, 2008 5:54 PM
are you really that stupid? do you fall for anything a clean and articulate Lib says everytime?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"Why in the world do you think it is difficult to expect her supporters to continue to contribute to a campaign that she abandoned 2 months ago, dah? Perhaps their contributions are going to local D campaigns now that she is no longer a viable candidate."

Conceding that this wild conjecture is in the slightest bit accurate (which it isn't), Hillary's deadenders should at least shut their mouths when it comes to talk of how she was "wronged," especially since very few seem to be putting their money where their alligator mouths are.

Hillary spent herself into oblivion with her stupid bets. After the cards were dealt and the dealer was showing an ace, she kept doubling down on her hard sixteen with personal loans. A fool and her money are soon parted.

Now Hillary is begging like a homeless vet at a crowded intersection, and if she can't extort money from a well-run campaign to get her mismanaged one off the hook, then pushing John McCain, back-alley abortions, and a clueless foreign policy is something Hillary can live with for the next four years.

"Incidentally, Mondale and Kerry actually helped Gary Hart and Howard Dean retire their debts after dropping out of the nomination. Its a political tradition that seems to have aluded your campaign. I am sure that you will have some nasty comment to respond to that obvious political reality."

It's also a political tradition not to waste your campaign money on rocksalt and free pizza, and it's also a political tradition not to make amends from STUPID campaign decisions by threatening, bullying, and extorting money from your opponent.

Try again, Leichtman. You're wrong as usual.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 20, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

As noted in the materials the National Right to Life Committee posted on its Website, this record seems to contradict what Obama told the Chicago Tribune when he ran for the Senate in 2004.

"... Obama said that had he been in the U.S. Senate two years ago, he would have voted for the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, even though he voted against a state version of the proposal," the Tribune reported on Oct. 4, 2004. "The difference between the state and federal versions, Obama explained, was that the state measure lacked the federal language clarifying that the act would not be used to undermine Roe vs. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court opinion that legalized abortion."

In January, when I wrote about Obama's 2003 committee vote against Winkel's bill, Obama's campaign press office did not respond to my repeated requests for comment. This week, it did.

The campaign does not contest that in 2003 Obama voted against a bill in his committee that was substantially identical to the federal bill. His position, the campaign says, was that the same legislative language could have had a different consequence on the Illinois state level, where there were abortion laws that might be affected, than on the federal level, where there were not abortion laws.

Pro-abortion absolutists should be pleased with Obama. There has never been a presidential candidate more demonstrably committed to their deadly cause.


Terence P. Jeffrey is the editor-in-chief of CNSNews

Posted by: kill em if ya got em | August 20, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse


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Reflecting his character as a Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, inexperienced, elitist, narcissistic, flip-flopping gas-bag, hussein will likely pick a running mate who is so bland, unknown and undistinguished he won't even have a shadow. That is the only way the empty-suit hussein won't be upstaged by a VP with all those things he doesn't have, like experience, competence, skill, good judgment, accomplishments, etc.

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Posted by: ALEX H. | August 20, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Obama just hasn't figured out a way, yet, of deciding on a VP and still prevaricating and coming down on all sides of the pick, so that he can flip later.

If Rev. Warren at Saddleback didn't have a time limit, it might have taken Obama a few weeks to come back with those unclear and prevaricating answers he gave Warren about his beliefs and life experiences.

Maybe Obama thinks it's "above [his] pay grade" to state how he feels about a VP, too?

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey, "I be Lib:"

The abortion "rate" is completely different from the actual number of abortions. Stop trying to mislead the readers by mixing the two measures and pretending that they're the same thing.

Posted by: Misleading Cons | August 20, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

At Saddleback, Obama offered the ritualistic support for Roe v. Wade expected of all Democratic politicians, "not because I'm pro-abortion," but because women "wrestle with these things in profound ways."

This is surely true in many instances. But political Obama won't explain why "wrestling" with a serious moral question is an adequate substitute for deciding it correctly. People wrestle with all sorts of moral quandaries in "profound ways." Many slave owners wrestled with whether they should free their slaves, but that did not obviate the need for the Emancipation Proclamation.

Alas, when it comes to abortion, it's probably silly to expect anything but rote fealty to ideological pieties from a Democrat, just as it's naive to expect anything but the appropriate pro-life talking points from a Republican. But for a self-styled champion of nuance, political Obama's rigidity is spectacular to behold.

Posted by: no decision or judgment needed | August 20, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama made a HUGE mistake in going on vacation in the middle of a Presidential campaign. What was he thinking? Notice McCain is now leading in some polls? Damn, the Democrats hammered Bush for going on vacation all the time, and now Obama does it in the middle of a campaign?

Posted by: Gasmonkey | August 20, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama, commendably, told Warren that he wants to reduce the number of abortions. After all, he observed gravely, "we've had a president who is opposed to abortions over the last eight years, and abortions have not gone down." Unfortunately, Obama wasn't telling the truth. The abortion rate is the lowest it's been since 1974, partly because of pro-life policies under Bush, but also thanks to those implemented at the state level since the 1990s.

Posted by: I be Lib; ergo I lie | August 20, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

If Obambi actually wins, which is looking less likely every day, then the good result is that the Pelosi/Reid congress wil then fall victimn to their own fecklessness and be kicked to the curb in two years, leading to a long term Repub majority. same as last time.

Posted by: the silver lining | August 20, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"In a remarkable new book, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover-up, [Judge Lawrence] Walsh [special prosecutor in charge of the complex investigation into President Reagan's foreign policy mis-adventures] details his six-year battle to break through the 'firewall' that White House officials built around President Reagan and Vice President Bush after the Iran-contra scandal exploded in November 1986. For Walsh, a lifelong Republican who shared the foreign policy views of the Reagan administration, the Iran-contra experience was a life-changing one, as his investigation penetrated one wall of lies only to be confronted with another and another -- and not just lies from Oliver North and his cohorts but lies from nearly every senior administration official who spoke with investigators. According to Firewall, the cover-up conspiracy took formal shape at a meeting of Reagan and his top advisers in the Situation Room at the White House on Nov. 24, 1986. The meeting's principal point of concern was how to handle the troublesome fact that Reagan had approved illegal arms sales to Iran in fall 1985, before any covert-action finding had been signed. The act was a clear felony -- a violation of the Arms Export Control Act -- and possibly an impeachable offense... everyone at the meeting knew that Reagan had approved those shipments through Israel... Bush, who had been told of the shipment in advance by McFarlane, said nothing. Casey, who [had] requested that the president sign the retroactive finding to authorize the CIA-facilitated delivery, said nothing. [NSC adviser John] Poindexter, who had torn up the finding, said nothing. Meese asked whether anyone knew anything else that hadn't been revealed. No one spoke.... When Shultz returned to the State Department, he dictated a note to his aide, Charles Hill, who wrote down that Reagan's men were 'rearranging the record.'...The story might have stopped there but for the work of Walsh and his small team of lawyers. Yet Walsh's investigation was hampered from the start by congressional rashness and hostility from key elements of the media.... Walsh's investigation broke through the White House cover-up in 1991-92. Almost by accident, as Walsh's staff was double-checking some long-standing document requests, the lawyers discovered hidden notes belonging to Weinberger and other senior officials. The notes made clear that there was widespread knowledge of the 1985 illegal shipments to Iran and that a major cover-up had been orchestrated by the Reagan and Bush administrations.... The Republican independent counsel also infuriated the GOP when he submitted a second indictment of Weinberger on the Friday before the 1992 elections.

The indictment contained documents revealing that President Bush had been lying for years with his claim that he was 'out of the loop' on the Iran-contra decisions.

The ensuing furor dominated the last several days of the campaign and sealed Bush's defeat at the hands of Bill Clinton.

Walsh had discovered, too, that Bush had withheld his own notes about the Iran-contra affair, a discovery that elevated the president to a possible criminal subject of the investigation. But Bush had one more weapon in his arsenal. On Christmas Eve 1992, Bush destroyed the Iran-contra probe once and for all by pardoning Weinberger and five other convicted or indicted defendants. 'George Bush's misuse of the pardon power made the cover-up complete,' Walsh wrote.

'What set Iran-contra apart from previous political scandals was the fact that a cover-up engineered in the White House of one president and completed by his successor prevented the rule of law from being applied to the perpetrators of criminal activity of CONSTITUTINOAL dimension."


Firewall: Inside the Iran-Contra Cover-up - Robert Parry; Consortium News, 1997
Robert Parry is an investigative reporter who broke many of the Iran-contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek

Posted by: I have to mow the lawn now....yellow runnnig dawgs....foad little snakes... | August 20, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Who cares! If Obama wins the general election, I will have fun watching an interesting four years. If McCain wins the general election, than as a white male, my position is protected for another four years. I win either way.

Posted by: I Win | August 20, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

This extended VP stuff isn't even helping Hillary...it's only helping Mccain...because Mccain's constituency has always believed he would choose after Obama.

Posted by: dl | August 20, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Fairfax voter

I agree with you timing and who are two different decisions...but I still think this was the biggest mistake in the weight of the decision on timing... I know they want to avoid olympics (which is bologne no one is watching after phelps and gymnastics was done (there's no great hero ...no offense to the athletes left to compete) but no great heroic story coming out in the next few days.

The problem is whether he made the decision or not ...the delay has caused soooo much focus and arguing...it's like the extendded debate...

good on one level...increased voter registration...

horrible on what is important... more people with angry feelings toward the candidate who eventually gets chosen.

the last couple fo days has been about is he picking the guy he wants...or the guy who is best...

and unlike McCain who is the guy he wants...or the guy who-ll give them the best chance to win...

Mccain does not lose a character image with that beign presented...

Obama's is set up...as ...Obama judges for country...or Obama judges on who is good for Obama.

He has a wife to make him more comfortable in being President...The VP is the guy who isn't about comfort...this is the guy who is a heartbeat away from having to pick up the mess if we were to lose Obama...and whom should be the most effective.

having a discussion of good for Obama...or good at the job...makes Obama look more troubled with selfishness than I think he is even close to being...at least I hope he is not close to being.

Posted by: dl | August 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't go using Dexter Manleys' name in vain...


he might sho up on yoah front door steep and dexter you about the head and shoulders...


boy


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Posted by: I | August 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

$$3 maybe you didn't get the memo, but I do not know 1 HC supporter who expects her to be on the ticket. HC fundrising ended immediately after her blow out wins in Puerto Rico and Ky. Curious how much money you have given to defunct campaigns since you seem to want to lecture her supporters about continuing to make contributions. I had given her $500 but decided to start sending money to our local D candidates once she began to appease the O campaign. Is that difficult for you to understand? Also I noted that you ignored my mention that Kerry and Mondale and traditionally all D Presidential nominees have helped to retire their opponent's debt. Apparently traditions, and good manners don't apply to your campaign.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"yellow running dawgs....."

"HELLOOOOOOOOOO WASHINGTON POST....."

Stop spamming the message board with vulgar double spaced irrelevant diatribes!

Posted by: A Sane person | August 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse


you want a quick fix ???


that will be painless for you all ???

but will help you determine how patriotic your presidente' by fraud and his people are ????


CONSCRIPT THE CONTRACTORS...


pass a law that will make everyone involved in IRAQ y AFGHANISTAN either military or GS Scale civilians under control of

GAO or the MILITARY at military and GS Scale pay grades...

cut the budget by 1/3 and give the citizens oversight on what is spent...


how much is Blackwater making, and what are their projects ???

you don't know, because it's classfied, and yet you are paying for every penney of it....sshould sound like complete BullSHYYTE to you if you have a brain...


AMERICA IS BEING DRAINED FOR THE BENEFIT OF A FEW....and they ain't all AMERICANS,


marjory....pull your head out of your buts and arrest somepeople...

take action.


.

Posted by: pi9ckon somene your ownsize... | August 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

first of all


there is no "war,"


there is an OCCUPATION,


that is paying Halliburton, KBR, BLACKWATER, Carlyle Group, CACI, CSC, Booze Allen Hamilton, Bechtel, and other

false "war," PROFITEERS


$467 $BILLION$ DOLLARS in allocated monies...


half a TRILLION DOLLARS,


you don't think that is buying some "dumb looks," from CONGRESS PEOPLE ????


dumb looks don't stop fraud.


plus, I hope you remember Petraeus had 190,000

FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS GO MISSING on his watch in IRAQ

and those weapons are turning up in Mexico and Central and South AMERICA...


and IRAQI OIL is turning up in UAE bank accounts affiliated with Halliburton...


go figure....


Posted by: cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezeus.... | August 20, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Truth Hunter wrote: "AsperGirl, Your comment.... "Besides, you Obama supporters have no clue about the economy, no money and no intentions of building your own wealth.".... is a sweepingly uninformed and offensive statement."

You're right. It was wrong of me to say that, and it's not an accurate statement either.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Whole thing's sickening. Has Obama done one thing right since becoming presumptive nominee? He's pissed off the base while attracting exaclty zero independent white voters. Just another weak Democratic effort and very depressing all around.

After all this delaying and yackity yack, he'll probably end up with Biden who reminds me a lot of Spiro Agnew.

Posted by: DexterManley | August 20, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

>>ASinMoCo wrote: "First of all bhoomes, the USSR collapsed under its own weight. Despite what conservatives always say, Reagan didn't "win" the Cold War; he happened to be in office when it ended due to geopolitical circumstances he did not create."

This is true, Reagan had less to do with the collapse of the Soviet union than it's own economic problems and, even, the social influence of Pope John Paul.

"But that's besides the point that today's Russia is not the Soviet Union, and this is not the Cold War.... I'm tired of people pretending that today's Russia is analagous to yesterday's Soviet Union."

I guess you don't know that Putin believes that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest tragedy of the 20th century?

"The USSR broke up 17 years ago, and A LOT has happened in the world since then."

The global economy fuels Russia's current rise and it's positioning itself to dominate and control the lifeblood of the world economies of the 21st century. It's staked out new claims on strategic commodity reserves.

You're not paying attention and you're belittling other people's opinions when it's yourself who is clueless. You're lecturing modern history out of a book that's 20 years old.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

asenine homo

Just like a Lib to blame Repubs for all evil and deny them anything good. Is it hard to type with your head so far up your derriere?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

dear

Code Pink is the code name for the gay dealings with Karl Rove...


...I thought that was just called a john.

oh...maybe Karl Rove's John is named "Code Pink" I get it...I think I saw that guy Pink perform at a piano bar in DC once. lol

Posted by: dl | August 20, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse


want to help AMERICA come out of it's economic slump...


stop the "war" FRAUD machine...

make the US ECONOMY a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY....


put all contractors in IRAQ, AFGHANISTANT, and the US directly affiliated with the "war" FRAUD effect under GAO GSA aegis...


and examine their books.


an OCCUPATION is _ILLEGAL_


however, seperating the EMBEZZLERS aka


bushCO and CRONYs from the MONEY...


makes the United States a lot more legitimate in the eyes of the world...


especially if treasonists, like Robert M. Gates...who used the CIA as a tool to defeat Jimmy Carter in his reelection bid,

or George W. Bush who committed SEC FRAUD with Harken OIL

are arrested and prosecuted for those charges...

you could arrest Cheney for involvement in commiting perjury to Congress regarding WMD et al..it's in John W. Deans' BOOK, "Worse Than Watergate," the exact charges and the way to make them stick...

and put Pelosi as President...


then the IRAQIs might see us as a responsible and capable nation, rather than as a lawless regime "on the take."


.and we could deal for oil as an option.


.

Posted by: yellow running dawgs..... | August 20, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Mc Cain is the crumbling facade of decadence,


he is the "dream doll"

the wooden, howdie doody dummy that may eventually stand in front of the


GRAFT and influence PEDDLING buying and selling "as an electoral process" machine...


like Regan did...let's face the truth honestly....the 10 year host of "Death Valley Dayz" wasn't the brightest bulb on the planet...


he just kept you busy while the boyz robbed the store...


bushCO und CRONERSTAG aren't in love with meester McCain as a position that they "have to support"

they'd be just as glad if O ba ba man rolled their way too...


either one would do, if they can keep them contained/submissive/led to conclusions....


it's what they plan on and hope for.


they don't see any difference between the two...really....they're just controlling the market so the people don't have or get a real choice....whether it's


young and ineffective or old and submissive


they still get their way...


and you all don't get your way.


at best you're all "house slaves," wearing fine clothes, going to shyytehouse soirees and kissing the blessed salaami like Broder, Hiatt, Kurtz, and others shunts of disinformation...spreading KARL ROVES PROPAGANDA....and


pointing at those outside of washington working in the fields, as being unimportant/lesser,


as you serve/go down on, your masters, and keep the rest subjugated.


.you are the shameless.


you are the blame for the demise of AMERICA's quality of life


not the predators in CONGRESS and working the various administrations...

Posted by: HELLOOOOOOOOOO WASHINGTON POST..... | August 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

While some of HRC's contributors had maxed out in what they could give to her, many had not and if all of those MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people had sent in even just another $20, her debt would be retired in the time when she SUSPENDED, not abandoned, her campaign. And the point would be made that they were still supporting her and EXPECTED her (demonstrating it in a very specific way) to be on Obama's ticket.

It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

Posted by: SS3 | August 20, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

First of all bhoomes, the USSR collapsed under its own weight. Despite what conservatives always say, Reagan didn't "win" the Cold War; he happened to be in office when it ended due to geopolitical circumstances he did not create.

But that's besides the point that today's Russia is not the Soviet Union, and this is not the Cold War. The USSR broke up 17 years ago, and A LOT has happened in the world since then. This is not 1991, this is 2008, and the world is a much different place, one where the US and Russia are tied in ways that can't just be undone over every little spat. Mind you, I am not saying that Putin isn't a thug, or that Russia is some great democracy. If I did, I'd be lying. But I'm tired of people pretending that today's Russia is analagous to yesterday's Soviet Union. Russia invaded Georgia after Georgia provoked them by starting the bombing raids on South Ossetia (again, not saying that it's right, but I absolutely believe that there is plenty of blame to go around with this Georgia debacle). Russia is not just going to invade Ukraine or Estonia or Latvia for the hell of it. Putin, thug though he may be, is too smart to try and start something with a country that hasn't provoked him (and the Ukraines and Baltic countries of the world, having seen what happened to Georgia, sure as heck aren't going to try and mix it up with Russia now). If Russia invaded Estonia tomorrow, the international reaction would be far different than what you're seeing with Georgia-it would create a major regional conflict that nobody is about to start.

Finally, your contention that the Republicans get it right on foreign policy is laughable on its face. Thanks to the Republicans, we're stuck in Iraq, having been led there under false pretenses of a connection to 9-11. Republican Cold War policy screwed up large chunks of Africa and Latin America so badly that they still haven't recovered. The biggest Democratic foreign policy blunders came when the Democrats tried to act like Republicans.

Posted by: ASinMoCo | August 20, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Blarg,

Why no one care about McCain? First off it’s the MSM that falls over itself for Obama so of course there is extra hype. Please your attitude about poor Obama treatment (why don’t you get your head out of the sand) and see how much free and positive press. Obama has garnered during this presidential campaign (he gets more free passes than McCain). Obama is nothing more than empty talk from both sides of his mouth. Obama has accomplished very little if you look at his record. As a law professor what great papers did he write, community organizer is hard to accomplish much in three years, his record in the IL and US Senate are less than stellar. Obama reminds me of someone who jumps from job to job to job never getting anything done really well (he reflects his…actually my generation). I am surprised that Obama has gotten as much a free ride from the press as he has. Obama get scrutinized too much since he really has not done much and do we want an unknown becoming president. Look what our last two unknowns have done: Jimmy Carter and George Bush II.

Posted by: sltiowa | August 20, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much says it all, don't cha think?

Posted by: The poster known as sn0bama ia a big Dick Cheney sucker | August 20, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

snObama - you sucker, I haven't voted since April.

Posted by: McCainiac | August 20, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

>>ASinMoCo wrote: "Oy vey, AsperGirl, your comments about Russia betray a seriously outdated mode of thinking. ...The truth of the matter is that Russia knew going into this thing that the US was going to sit on its hands. Why? Because we have no choice. A war with Russia is literally not an option, and the Russians knew that. ... Furthermore, with regard to the natural gas issue, Russia is not going to cut the natural gas supply to Europe."

I think you answered your own questions. With Russia having the ability to disrupt global energy markets our hands are tied, even if we were able to deploy a serious military force outside of Iraq right now. No point in really commenting on this, because it's so obvious.

"But it's pretty obvious that Russia (and the rest of the world) knows that cutting the gas supply to Europe would be very much against Russia's own self-interest, in that it would necessarily provoke a real response from the broader international community. "

Russia knows we can't and won't war with them. Because they can disrupt global energy markets. Their objective is to expand and control Eastern Europe, e.g. restore the old Soviet reach domain. They are doing what they can get away with, given the circumstances in the global energy markets and our economy. How long can our country run on what we have in the strategic petroleum reserve? (If it were up to Obama, we'd have used the SPR to put more oil on the market to drive the price down a few cents for a few weeks).

"...Actually, the "callow" JFK resolved the Cuban missile crisis in the best way it could possibly have been handled."

JFK's naive behavior with Khrushev emboldened the Soviet leader to be more aggressive and put missiles in Cuba. When Khushev acted like a bully in our backyard, JFK had to transform his own posture into a hard one to face the Soviets down. If you recall, JFK had to take an aggressive posture and win a standoff with an actual show of physical force and the will to carry it out. He had to act like the cold war hawk that you claim McCain sounds like.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I like to suck big Dick Cheney like my personal hero Larry Craig.

Posted by: sn0bama | August 20, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

why in the world would any woman want to have an affair with the Bush's or Nixon?

Posted by: Leichtman | August 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

asinine moco, I am trying to get a job. the other one didn't even require committee meetings. I just like to run for things. don't need experience. what else would I do with a resume based on profesor with no scholarship, community activist ( that title was creative genius), senator with no opponent, writer with no content, etc.

I am the man.

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I promise to be the first elected Dem President that doesn't cheat on my wife. this is contrary to the Clinton, Kennedy, FDR and even Carter, in his heart, legacy.

Unless I change my mind of course.

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

$$3 excellent point.
Why in the world do you think it is difficult to expect her supporters to continue to contribute to a campaign that she abandoned 2 months ago, dah? Perhaps their contributions are going to local D campaigns now that she is no longer a viable candidate. Is that concept hard for you to understand? Incidentally, Mondale and Kerry actually helped Gary Hart and Howard Dean retire their debts after dropping out of the nomination. Its a political tradition that seems to have aluded your campaign. I am sure that you will have some nasty comment to respond to that obvious political reality.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow, snobama, in addition to having nothing worthwhile to contribute, you obviously have an awful lot of time on your hands. You know, studies show that being gainfully employed dramatically reduces the amount of time people spend being d#cks on the internet.

Posted by: ASinMoCo | August 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

asinMoco: I do not like John McCain but probably will hold my nose and vote for him because he knows the nature of Russia and how to deal with them. Putin is a thug, the country had its democracy stolen by him and he will retake the all of the old Soviet enpire countries if we are naive in dealing with this thug. ThE REPUBLICANS WON THE COLD WAR. Obama hopes for being President are over if Russia is still in Georgia in November. This country always turns to the GOP when things get dicy overseas because they have a Historical record of getting it right, why dems were always wrong (nuclear freeze, don't say anything to get them mad) Dems go back to smoking your dope and leave the heavy lifting to the professionals.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I will answer that. I umn, well, you know, um, uh, well, like you know, it's hard because, like, as you see, I um, uh, uh like you know, because, well, if you had to, well, I mean.

OK got it?

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I have already answered like 8 questions already. Can I just get back to my wafffle now?

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

bonjedi back with her nasty comments b/c of a post of a 30% number rather than 28%"

this quote is from Slate Magazine,CBS,and a recent Aug 13 PEW Poll not me or the blogger you so easily insulted:

"There's a premium on sincerity because Obama needs the votes of the wary Clinton supporters, and he needs the image of a unified party for the fall campaign. Hillary Clinton so clearly meant what she said about the unique strength of her own candidacy during the primaries that some of her supporters are pretty sure she can't be sincere now when she says "elect Obama." A recent Pew poll showed that 28 percent of Clinton supporters say they will not back Obama (18 percent intend to vote for McCain)."

and this was your comment to a post claiming 30% of Clinton supporters still oppose Sen O:
"Less than half of the electorate voted for Hillary, and you're pulling the 30% number out of your bum, just like the rest of your opinions."

We all know that you hate HC and her supporters and think you are superior, but what is amazing is that the same O supporters who for months have claimed they don't need her supporters or votes now have no explanation for his narrow lead in a campaign that every pundit believes should be slam dunk for any D nominee.

bsimon we agree that HC will not be the VP but I totally disagree with your theory that she would be a negative drag on the ticket. He would be fortunate to have her in his adminsitration and will have a much easier time in Nov wih her on the ticket, exclusing bonjedi and some of the O hate mongers.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

My friends, when i said that the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible, I really meant that they should be made permanent. When I sponsored a compromise immigration bill, I really meant that we should round up all the foreigners & ship em home, costs be damned. Who's up for another round of straight talk express?

Posted by: McCainiac | August 20, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Following is the list of keynote speakers and topics at the upcoming Democratic Convention:

Marion Barry --- Drug Abuse

Rep. Denny Kucinich --- How to garner 1 % of the vote in every primary entered

Sen. Chrissy Dodd --- Obtaining Countrywide loans

Sen. Chucky Schumer --- How to initiate a run on a bank

Jesse Jackson ---- Marital fidelity and Castration

John Edwards ---- Ambulance Chasing and Spousal support in time of need

Sen. Theodore Kennedy --- Driver education and How to stop a pending autopsy

James McGreevey ---- Gay rights

Mayor Ray Nagin --- Emergency evacuation preparations

Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick – Email etiquette in the workplace

Al Sharpton ---- Race relations

Sen. Evan Bayh --- How to ignore the Liberal wing of the Democratic Party and support the war in Iraq

Al Gore --- Snow Removal

Louis Farrakhan --- Muslims in America and Muslim in the White House

Posted by: gary | August 20, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

bondjedi - What an excellent point you bring up! If Hillary does still have HALF the Democratics on her side, why IS she still in so much debt?

Posted by: SS3 | August 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

assinine moco - thanks for pointing out that I like to blame the victim whenever it's conveneient and create the victim if needed. the Georgians are at fault, like I said. If I were them I would just surrender and redeploy somewhere else. same for the Israelis, pakis, iranis, iraqi, etc. they all speak the same language and can simply relocate across any border or immigrate to one of our lovely 57 states.

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

el_barto, I'll refrain from my sometimes "snarky" self. I'm a transplanted Hoosier in VT in the process of relocating to New Castle County, Delaware, so here goes first with Indiana.

Bayh has a couple of problems. First is that he can make Rip Van Winkle sound exciting. Great Governor, Senator, but "Mr. Excitement" he's not. Even with Bayh on the ticket IN's a tough one for Democratic Presidential candidates. Another minus is his wife Susan, who takes in over $800,000 in directors fees from boards she sits on. Some of those firms have had bills in the Senate that Bayh has voted on. Conflict? Possibly. Finally, if the current GOP Governor, Mitch Daniels, gets reelected and Bayh ends up as Veep, he can appoint himself to succeed Bayh swinging the seat to the GOP. Does Obama want to risk all this?

Biden's almost Pennsylvania's "third" Senator. Northern DE is in the Philadelphia media market and they know him well. Also, grew up in Scranton to blue collar, Catholic parents. Compelling life story. Only time he didn't credit someone for a story, he got caught (Kinnock 1988) and apologized. Can be longwinded and likes to hear himself talk, but he gets reelected in a walk. No one with the exception of, possibly, Dick Lugar has more foreign policy experience and knowledge. Limbaugh can't stand him and that's a plus in my book and helps in Pennsylvania.

I'd go with the latter rather than the former.

Posted by: Killer B's | August 20, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

thank you David for trying to hide my stuttering, total lack of any personality and sense of humor and absolute naivite in all things policy. I thought if I just kind of babbled on about not much, most of you who are dumb (my base) would get bored or not care and vote for me no matter what. the rest of you upper east siders would find all sorts of hidden meanings, as you always do, and still be satisfied.

I was never going to get the actual thinking voter anyways, so I guess it is "stutter on dude"!

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Oy vey, AsperGirl, your comments about Russia betray a seriously outdated mode of thinking. This new Russia/Georgia flap is not a new Cold War, and between McCain and Obama, Obama is the one who responded in a much more reasonable way. McCain thinks this is the new Cold War. The truth of the matter is that Russia knew going into this thing that the US was going to sit on its hands. Why? Because we have no choice. A war with Russia is literally not an option, and the Russians knew that. By responding the way he did, Obama made a clear statement that the Russians' actions were unacceptable, but without resorting to rhetoric that made it seem as if we'll be launching attacks on Russia tomorrow. John McCain, on the other hand, is prancing around as though a) a war with Russia is actually an option and b) he alone has the authority and ability to launch that war. If that's the kind of reaction "experience" gets you, I'd rather hire a greenhorn for the presidency.

Furthermore, with regard to the natural gas issue, Russia is not going to cut the natural gas supply to Europe. They will talk big and pretend that they'll do it, but they're just bluffing and giving themselves one more trump card in an already-powerful hand. But it's pretty obvious that Russia (and the rest of the world) knows that cutting the gas supply to Europe would be very much against Russia's own self-interest, in that it would necessarily provoke a real response from the broader international community. Nobody's interests would be served by cutting the gas supply (unless of course, you are suggesting that US natural gas companies are somehow in cahoots with the Russians, and would provoke a major conflict in order to get a better price for their natural gas exports, which would make you pretty paranoid).

Also, your comparison to JFK is cute. I assume you believe that if Hillary had been president back then, rather than "emboldening the Soviets", she would have nuked Russia and brought on World War 3/the end of the world before allowing the Soviets to put missiles in Cuba (same with McCain)? Super! Actually, the "callow" JFK resolved the Cuban missile crisis in the best way it could possibly have been handled. If you think that Obama would have done equally well, then he deserves all of our votes.

But, um, thanks for "finally breaking your silence."

Posted by: ASinMoCo | August 20, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take on why the VP-via-text- message tactic is smart politics and good business.

http://tinyurl.com/5ngntm

Posted by: John Taylor | August 20, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

My friends, did you see David Ignatius' column today? He says my quick quips don't amount to a foreign policy. That's it, Ignatius - no more busrides on the Straight Talk Express for you. Cindy - mark him off the list for more Stella Artois.

Posted by: McCainiac | August 20, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

when is outsourcing part of the republic scammers


"trickle down" economy...

Posted by: since | August 20, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

My friends in the media- I want to thank you for your help in pointing out Obama's delay in naming his VP pick, despite me winning my primary process first. Sure takes the pressure off an old man! By the way, check out my italian loafers.

Posted by: McCainiac | August 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

How come all the smart people are on the conservative side?

Posted by: bhoomes | August 20, 2008 4:08 PM

the good looking and rich ones too.

how can you tell the difference between a liberal man and a liberal woman? easy, the woman wears the pants.

Posted by: guess who? | August 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

bhoome is obviously impacted by having an


obstructed bowel condition....


the same thing be coming outa both ends...


.

Posted by: behomies | August 20, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

bonjedi - they also said that if I were a real candidate, I wouldn't be tied with that old fossil McCain. Yesterday I slipped behind him. Can I just get back to waffling now? all this actual question answering is tarnishing my brand.

who knew my vote on abortion would be brought back alive, pardon the pun. who expected the surge to actually work? this is the rove VRWC at work again. Watch for record low gas prices around the end of October. all cheney does is pick up the phone.

I gotta go. I have a decision to make and I need the input of over 600 advisors first.

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

smart people as in


help I've fallen down and can't get up smart?


Posted by: behomies' mother | August 20, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

My friends, I promise to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, if I have to. Unless those gates are in Pakistan.

Posted by: McCainiac | August 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I think I am in love with the AsperGirl, she's very brainy. How come all the smart people are on the conservative side?

Posted by: bhoomes | August 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, Your comment.... "Besides, you Obama supporters have no clue about the economy, no money and no intentions of building your own wealth.".... is a sweepingly uninformed and offensive statement.

I know of no Obama supporters who fit your description. I do know a few McCain supporters who have no clue about the GOP "trickle down" economy and how it is destroying the middle class.

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | August 20, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

bhoomes - this is hard. this is the first decision I can't change and as you know, I am all about change.

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"If he can't at least make a show of picking Hillary Clinton when half the democratic electorate clearly voted for her and 30% of her supporters won't support him, he can't even make good on his vague rhetoric of "unity" and "transcendence."

Less than half of the electorate voted for Hillary, and you're pulling the 30% number out of your bum, just like the rest of your opinions.

Again, if this Hillary groundswell were genuine, she wouldn't have to be begging for money. Will we be seeing Hillary at Denver offramps next week, holding a cardboard sign that says "Will be Your VP for money?"

Posted by: bondjedi | August 20, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What has happened to my mojo? Everytime I answer even the slightest question, my poll numbers fall another point. I have avoided being attached to the failures Pelosi and Reid yet still I can't get the press to keep covering for me. I only need you blind idiots from Kos another 70 some days and it will be too late to stop me. People, please keep the blinders on a little while longer.

Posted by: snObama | August 20, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Mc Cain is the crumbling facade of decadence,


he is the "dream doll"

the wooden, howdie doody dummy that may eventually stand in front of the


GRAFT and influence PEDDLING buying and selling "as an electoral process" machine...


like Regan did...let's face the truth honestly....the 10 year host of "Death Valley Dayz" wasn't the brightest bulb on the planet...


he just kept you busy while the boyz robbed the store...


bushCO und CRONERSTAG aren't in love with meester McCain as a position that they "have to support"

they'd be just as glad if O ba ba man rolled their way too...


either one would do, if they can keep them contained/submissive/led to conclusions....


it's what they plan on and hope for.


they don't see any difference between the two...really....they're just controlling the market so the people don't have or get a real choice....whether it's


young and ineffective or old and submissive


they still get their way...


and you all don't get your way.


at best you're all "house slaves," wearing fine clothes, going to shyytehouse soirees and kissing the blessed salaami like Broder, Hiatt, Kurtz, and others shunts of disinformation...spreading KARL ROVES PROPAGANDA....and


pointing at those outside of washington working in the fields, as being unimportant/lesser,


as you serve/go down on, your masters, and keep the rest subjugated.


.you are the shameless.


you are the blame for the demise of AMERICA's quality of life

not the predators in CONGRESS and working the various administrations...


Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, James Baker III have been working together under every administration in one form or another


it's not a secret.


Wolfowitz belongs to Rumsfeld as does Zalmay Khalizid, and Fareed


I doubt o ba ba man knows who they are...


.

Posted by: daheds dreasms | August 20, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

On when Obama should announce, since the Olympics bump up against the Dem convention, no time in August would have been ideal. And Hillary's looooong goodbye made the pivot difficult earlier.

So.... now it's more the who than the when. Hopefully, the who is Biden.

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | August 20, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

--- wrote: "that's okay. we don't take your investing opinions seriously, either."

Like i give any. I never really suggest what to buy because the markets are so volatile that you can get killed on even a good investment, if you buy on the wrong day.

Besides, you Obama supporters have no clue about the economy, no money and no intentions of building your own wealth.

When I was trying to see what the views were on DailyKos, here's the kind of stuff I heard from people who think Obama should raise taxes during a recession/slowdown and create more welfare programs:

"The [insert one: McBush | Republicans | Old People] have made life impossible for young people. How am I supposed to get a job with my liberal arts degree now?"

If the person was like the normal I.Q. and educational level of the DailyKos postings I saw, they not only just had a liberal arts degree but graduated with a C-something average from a 4th-tier state college. They could barely frame thoughts, and the economic ideation activity on DailyKos mostly consisted of taking current events and framing and reframing them with socialist interpretations and/or anti-Republican rhetoric.

I don't share "investing opinions", just commentary. And I wouldn't expect to carry on a coherent economic policy discussion with someone who thinks that, in any economy, you can get a job with a liberal arts degree with a C average from a low-rent school, that doesn't involve strapping on an apron or carrying lumber from one spot to another.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Mc Cain is the crumbling facade of decadence,


he is the "dream doll"

the wooden, howdie doody dummy that may eventually stand in front of the


GRAFT and influence PEDDLING buying and selling "as an electoral process" machine...

like Regan did...let's face the truth honestly....the 10 year host of "Death Valley Dayz" wasn't the brightest bulb on the planet...


he just kept you busy while the boyz robbed the store...

bushCO und CRONERSTAG aren't in love with meester McCain as a position that they "have to support"

they'd be just as glad if O ba ba man rolled their way too...

either one would do, if they can keep them contained/submissive/led to conclusions....


it's what they plan on and hope for.

they don't see any difference between the two...really....they're just controlling the market so the people don't have or get a real choice....whether it's


young and ineffective or old and submissive


they still get their way...


and you all don't get your way.


at best you're all "house slaves," wearing fine clothes, going to shyytehouse soirees and kissing the blessed salaami like Broder, Hiatt, Kurtz, and others shunts of disinformation...spreading KARL ROVES PROPAGANDA....and


pointing at those outside of washington working in the fields, as being unimportant/lesser,


as you serve/go down on, your masters, and keep the rest subjugated.


.you are the shameless.


you are the blame for the demise of AMERICA's quality of life


not the predators in CONGRESS and working the various administrations...


Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, James Baker III have been working together under every administration in one form or another


it's not a secret.


Wolfowitz belongs to Rumsfeld as does Zalmay Khalizid, and Fareed


I doubt o ba ba man knows who they are...


.

Posted by: dashed dreams... | August 20, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

He shoulda made his pick several weeks ago, He comes across has indecisve(that's above my pay grade)and this add's to that perception. Maybe picking a VP is also above his pay grade and let the convention pick the VP for him. (oh God, one Jimmy Carter is enough in a lifetime)

Posted by: bhoomes | August 20, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"...and only made comments about buying and selling as a rhetorical form of commentary. They are not to be taken seriously! -- Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 3:39 PM "

that's okay. we don't take your investing opinions seriously, either.

Posted by: ---- | August 20, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama should decline the nomination


and ask to be Hillary's VP.

that would short thie rsit out for them


wouldn'tit?


talk about the end of the world for graft.


hit'd be a bar be cue fo sho.


.
PIG ROAST.


yankee style....pulled pork.

he he he...

Posted by: dah troot | August 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

neither of you are saying is that


o ba ba man has been supported by the republican

right wing attack machine....


part of the O ba mah miracle has been a mirage

aided and abetted by the monied interests....

they need to keep both McCain and Obama WEAK


and needing help,


if they want to manipulate them post election.


the candidates are not the machine, and the candidates are being played like the AMERICAN PEOPLE are being played...

which is why WASHINGTON INSIDERS FEAR MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE

another CLINTON PRESIDENCY and feared a GORE PRESIDENCY enough to commit electoral fraud.....

visibly DIEBOLD , Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush


information is right there, electoral fraud...


unprosecuted, but certainly not UNPROSECUTABLE...


I imagine Katherine Harris would sing like a bird for the right bird seed.


.

Posted by: what | August 20, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW regarding my below post about natural gas, I'm not a market analyst and only made comments about buying and selling as a rhetorical form of commentary. They are not to be taken seriously!

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad I loaded up on natural gas today.

With their invasion and occupation of Georgia, the Russians now control the oil and gas overland routes into Europe and have started making noises that were clearly part of their original objective all along. They have made their energy grab and now are acting out their aggressions.

With the Russians engaging in this imperialism, how will Obama get elected now?

There's a reason why the Kremlin was threatening Mechel, their metallurgical steel and iron ore company, for selling product abroad at higher prices than to Russian steel companies they had contracts with. Why would the Kremlin take a direct interest in their steel companies' output, when they manage their infrastructure so incompetently? They are in the middle of a long-term, sustained build-up of their military, a campaign for Eastern Europe.

Obama was never a realistic candidate. He might have been if he ran 8 years from now, after he got a little experience to run on and could make coherent and consistent foreign affairs and military statements.

it doesn't matter who he picks now.

Load up on American natural gas. If Russia cuts the gas to Europe, the U.S. has the most underutilized and low-priced natural gas ready for shipping abroad.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama should decline the nomination


and ask to be Hillary's VP.


that would short thie rsit out for them

wouldn'tit?

talk about the end of the world for graft.

it'd be a bar be cue fo sho.

.

Posted by: personally | August 20, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wood,

In retrospect, the smart play by Obama would have been to select Hillary immediately after the primaries. Once she stepped down, they should have joined forces. They would have been incredibly strong and could have began hammering McCain right out of the gate. Obama could have had an insurmountable lead at this point.

As it stand now the right wing attack machine, led by talk radio and followed the typical GOP branding advertisements have eroded Obama's support. McCain has rebuilt momentum and Obama is on the defensive.

Posted by: wood | August 20, 2008 3:06 PM

I agree 100% with your statement. Now, Obama has lost one or two wheels and it's on mud. I doubt Biden can solve Obama problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

that O ba ba man


should decline the nomination and ask to be Hillary's VP

if he had a clue....

Posted by: I think | August 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

think they gave it to you?


so you wouldn't turn state's evidence on them in the future????

.

Posted by: hey robert | August 20, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

readers

I wouldn't be calling any numbers or giving away your name or email address to anyone posting here...

the Code Pink thing that was out of Sterling VA was KARL ROVE based,

meant to create an ineffective response....


and drain away enthusiasm....

code pink, is actually a bush whitehouse codename for gay dealings with Karl Rove..

you really should pay attention more.

Posted by: dear | August 20, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

interesting isn't it...

every REPUBLICAN says that they want Hillary on the ticket...


then why did they throw so much weight behind getting O ba ba man nominated?????

there were stories out there of republicans particpating in the nomination process as democrats...


when the DUKE CUNNING_ham went down in California for graft/influence peddling

the republicans spent 15 tmies more money than spent on any other Congressional seat to get a republican put back in...including a personal message from "LIPS" and the cheenie boy....unparalled money spent....they do what they have to

so that they could say that graft/influence peddling weren't issues to the voting public...

that's why you and the whole United States knows that George W. Bush is gay...

because they don't control the media.

.and they're not attempting influence o ba ba man


right now.

and they're not afraid of HILLARY, which is why


they helped O ba ba man...


and they haven't pulled away from him, they jus' want him to struggle to become more pliable....more easily led/contained....

o ba ba man, think s he's dealing with ordinary people....

he's dealing with people that would keep an entire country enslaved

to meet their needs.

hey Robert, how's that tumor coming??? paybacks a beetch eh?


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Posted by: it's | August 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I am still holding out hope that she will be the pick. TO DENVER

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Posted by: nancy sabet | August 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely! string it out. Milk it for all its worth. Every tv show and paper is focused on it, despite the Olympics, despite Phelps, despite Georgia.

And to the HRC die-hards here: Republicans are desperate to get her on the ticket, any way they can. They would love to run against her. Once she lost the primary fight, the right media instantly pivoted and started touting her for VP, as though they suddenly got religion, that they admired her positions(!) and it was hers by some divine right. That tell you anything? Either they’re sure they can beat her (most definitely energizing their base), or she’s one of them. (She has also taken bundles of money from Rupert Murdoch [post-Clinton administration memoirs, plus fundraiser money]. Doesn’t that give you pause what he expects in return?)

As for “all” the folks who are throwing tantrums because their candidate lost and claim they’ll vote for McCain if they can’t have their way (Hillary on the ticket), they’re a very small, bad-tempered minority who probably would have done so anyway. These people who are predicting a large fall-away from Obama have never worked in machine, ward politics (I doubt many of the folks posting here have ever done any street work). They just don’t get how politics really works, and how political machines work. The cities are going to deliver, big-time. My guess is the turncoats who claim mass defections have never been part of the workings of a big-city political machine. There, you deliver for the candidate, no matter what, and no matter who it is. From division to ward to county, it’s all watched very carefully. And if you want in, if you want a job, or street money, or to be somebody in your neighborhood, or want to be the one to dish out patronage locally, you BETTER deliver your district, division, whatever. This hyperventilating ranting about going for the other guy is considered treason, and you better have a d*mn good reason for doing so (some Dems only got away with it for Reagan). This stuff about voting the other side is nothing but b*llsh*t by a bunch of newbies, or suburbanites.

In the places in this county where population density is highest, you’re going to see a solid, even massive turnout. And it’s gonna be blue.

thank god for the machine.

Posted by: Ichristian | August 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

is the

howdie doody dummy that may stand in front of the

GRAFT as an electoral process machine...


like Regan did,


although they'd be just as glad if O ba ba man rolled their way too...


either one would do, if they can keep them contained....

it's what they plan on and hope for.


they don't see any difference between the two...


young and ineffective or old and submissive

they still get their way...

and you all don't get your way.

at best you're "house slaves," pointing at those outside of washington working in the fields

as you serve/go down on, your masters, and keep the rest subjugated.


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Posted by: McCain | August 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

only liars and backstabbers involved with

the Clintons are the ones trying to sell that story.

as Huh? obviously is, a Washington INSIDER who has his hand on Paul Wolfowitz's weenier


as we speak.

Posted by: the | August 20, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

In retrospect, the smart play by Obama would have been to select Hillary immediately after the primaries. Once she stepped down, they should have joined forces. They would have been incredibly strong and could have began hammering McCain right out of the gate. Obama could have had an insurmountable lead at this point.

As it stand now the right wing attack machine, led by talk radio and followed the typical GOP branding advertisements have eroded Obama's support. McCain has rebuilt momentum and Obama is on the defensive.

Posted by: wood | August 20, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

>>Huh? Again wrote: "But whether or not some people feel it is important to "unite the party" by selecting HRC, WHY would they vote for McCain instead? Uniting the party is done simply by working together to get Obama and whoever is the VP nominee, to be the next President. Period"

The only reason you can think this way is that you think that all the warm bodies in the White House are interchangeable except for their ability to give good speeches.

Obama doesn't have enough experience to run a faculty tea, much less a country.

Clinton was the best candidate in decades, with her experience, brilliance, grasp of multiple & complex problems we face now, coherent and constructive platforms and awareness of how to implement them (like by coalition-building).

Next to Clinton, McCain is the second-best candidate in the field, based on his experience, independent and principled stands and his willingness to break with ideologues to take constructive stands that better the country. What other leading Republican would wave off all the global warming deniers and declare we need a climate change abatement agenda?

You clearly see the candidates as empty suits, as if all they need to do is have the right position papers written for them by academics and post them on their websites and voila! the changes they promise will happen and everything they say they want will come true. While being president isn't exactly brain surgery, it's a lot more than anything Obama has demonstrated he could ever accomplish professionally.

If he can't at least make a show of picking Hillary Clinton when half the democratic electorate clearly voted for her and 30% of her supporters won't support him, he can't even make good on his vague rhetoric of "unity" and "transcendence."

I have no guesses at this point, but he doesn't seem man enough to pick a strong woman like Clinton to be in his Administration, making him look callow and impotent, and highlighting the emptiness of his rhetoric. Every time he gets next to someone really experienced and sharp, his numbers dropped, just like they dropped after the debates with Clinton and after the Saddleback forum. Why would he have someone like Clinton around him all the time, making him look incompetent by comparison?

He's frankly under-qualified and too callow to be President and the only time he looks good is when he's surrounded by submissive sycophants like Richardson or those who lack any gravitas. I can't see Obama's narcissism letting him pick anyone who can make him look small by comparison. So I doubt he will pick Clinton.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

honestly,


that what should happen is that you stupid little worms...

should start thinking about who would be the best set of leaders...

your "stuckness" about personalities

somehow seems to ignore that a little salaami licker from Texas


who was/is on record as a gay, business failure, SEC FRAUD fixing, draftdodging, coke snorting, loser, and an alcoholic

became president....he has all of the charm of Charles Mansonl


he won through ELECTORAL FRAUD, and a good propaganda machine


you all are afraid of the MEDIA

not the people.


get your heads on straight.

you buy the story that the MEDIA is selling and the framing too...


that's why AMERICA is in the dumpster.

reframe things and don't use _T_H_E_I_R_ FRAMING

grow up little worms, maybe you're caterpillars that could become butterflies

try for a better tomorrow,

and accuse the MEDIA of being the liars that they are...

RUPERT MURDOCH, was cutting a deal for NIGER YELLOWCAKE for bushCO and CRONYs...


he's been trying to buy AMERICA's media for 22 YEARS...

how about thinking about the people in this country once in awhile worms?


.

Posted by: I think | August 20, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

There is a very real difference between wanting power, working for it and stopping at nothing to get it. Yes, politics is about power. People lie for it, backstab, any one of a number of illegal activities to get it and keep it. But there is a line that should not be crossed and I have no doubt that the Clintons would (and probably still will) cross it to get what they want. Next week should be very interesting.

Posted by: Huh? x3 | August 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

But whether or not some people feel it is important to "unite the party" by selecting HRC, WHY would they vote for McCain instead? Uniting the party is done simply by working together to get Obama and whoever is the VP nominee, to be the next President. Period. The "I won't vote for Obama if he doesn't pick Hillary" stance seems more to me like a childish action of "you won't play the way I want you to so I am going to pick up all of my marbles and go home!" It's exactly that kind of attitude why Democrats continually seem to shoot themselves in the foot. And conservative talk radio not withstanding, an HRC pick would galvanize conservatives who don't listen to Rush or Laura. I believe if Obama chooses HRC, that ticket will lose and will lose much more badly than you realize. It would be a disaster.

Posted by: Huh? Again | August 20, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Pros: It gives you something to blog about.
Cons: It gives you something to blog about.

Seriously, the VP flap is getting excessive.

Posted by: Meaux | August 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Huh? says:
"I believe she would stop at nothing for power and that is scary indeed."

Give me a break. You could insert any politician for "she". Politics is about power.

Dems need to get over it. Obama needs a VP that will stop at nothing to get elected. That's how republicans do it every four years.

Posted by: wood | August 20, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Helps drive the GOP base that is otherwise unenthused about McCain."

Drive the GOP base? Just listen to talk radio at any hour of the day. It is not having any problem driving the GOP base by relentlessly attacking Obama. Throwing Clinton into the mix will make little difference on this front. The attacks will be vicious and distorted either way.

Obama and Clinton came out of the primaries essentially tied. Many of the voters had deep reservations about each candidate. This is Obama's only opportunity to unite the ticket. Biden et al. can do it.

The right choice is Hillary. She is a proven warrior and that is what Obama needs on his side going into the Fall.

Posted by: wood | August 20, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

actually anyone that thinks that they can do better than HRC


has some war fraud money coming to them...like Dianne Feinstein...


she knows the players and she knows the difference between syhte and shinola...

and just being a democrat doesn't make you


"for the people,"


look at Kerry he took a dive in 2004

he lost against a gay, alcoholic, coke snorting, draftdodging, business failing, SEC FRAUD Harken OIL, bribe taking little


Dumb Azz that repays favors by going down on his knees...


.....he took a dive.....

Posted by: cheeeeeeeeeeeeeezeus | August 20, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I followed the primary election closely and I absolutely, positively do not understand the concept that if Obama does not select Hillary Clinton as his running mate that her supporters will refuse to vote for him. If they are Democrats, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. They would rather have McCainn win, who would nominate perhaps three justices to the Supreme Court who would seek to overturn Roe v. Wade and who would keep our sons and daughters in the Middle East indefinitely. Would someone (wood? Terri?)please explain to me why NO OTHER VP selection would be good enough? I am not happy about Obama being the nominee but I have never trusted HRC either (can't we do better??). I believe she would stop at nothing for power and that is scary indeed.

And, to educate those who don't know, Stephanie Tubbs Jones has not yet died and sufferred an aneurysm which is a weakening of a blood vessel in her brain that hemorrhaged, which is different from a stroke. Godspeed, Congresswoman Jones.

Posted by: Huh? | August 20, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

there are about

40 PERCENT REPULSIVE SCAMMERS


like aspic girle


working their magic aka lying as a position...

bama man, let stand the repulsive scammers lies being used against you


he didn't say it wasn't true...

he used it 16 years of hatepoured out against THE CLINTONS


why ?????


THE CLINTONS ARE THE ONLY DEMOCRATS TO HAVE HELD THEIR OWN AGAINST THE REPUBLICAN illegally CIA-BACKED und BASED


HATE MACHINE...

SEE: CARTER, William Casey, Robert M. Gates, George H.W. Bush, October Surprise, Paris, Russian, IRAN CONTRA

SEE ALS: REPUBLICAN PARTY, nazis


THE REPUBLICANS are propagandizing

for the sake of the country....right????...

WTF


like they asked Al GORE to not contest the vote count in FLORIDA

they said that he was selfish and dividing the country.


was he?


What would AMERICA be like if Carter had had two terms? We'd be driving cars that get 55 MPHs and have metro systems in every major city...


IF Al Gore had had two terms????? would there be


ENERGY PROBLEMS????


no, none....


OUTSOURCING would never have happened, 70 PERCENT OF OUR INCOME wouldn't have vanished overnight...


and we would be enjoying European style cities instead of crime and depression...


AMERICA would still be the most respected nation on earth


and the TRILLIONS of dollars being poured in to WAR PROFITEERING HOUSEHOLDS and OVERSEAS would be being used to


upgrade AMERICA....


sue a republican near you today....


.

REBUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE,

URBAN and COUNTY PLANNING as a single unit vis a vis Portland OREGON...


.

Posted by: AsperGirle is a propagandist....not a human... | August 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

wood writes
"Obama needs to swallow hard and pick Clinton as the VP. It has the potential to unite the ticket and the party. It will give him incredible strength going into the fall."

Strength among Dems, perhaps. Among independents - not so much. Helps drive the GOP base that is otherwise unenthused about McCain. In short - the positives are not strong enough to offset the negatives.

Posted by: bsimon | August 20, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama: "How do you keep the media in suspense?"

Media: "How?"

Obama: "I'll tell you tomorrow."

Posted by: muD | August 20, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I will not vote for Obama if he doesn't put Hillary on the ticket. She is the fighter we need!!! Love her or hate her you'll know she is for us.. Obama has a chance to be President but he needs to stop assumong Hillary's supporter will vote for him. Once all this digest Hillary's millions of supporters will grow bitter and not vote ot go to McCain. He will not win without her. He knows that

Posted by: Terri | August 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

In memory of Stephanie Tubbs Jones, who was an early and staunch and tireless campaigner and advocate for Hillary Clinton.

She died of a stroke today.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to swallow hard and pick Clinton as the VP. It has the potential to unite the ticket and the party. It will give him incredible strength going into the fall.

Posted by: wood | August 20, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The Russians are counting on an Obama win and happy about weak-sounding rhetoric from the left wing here in the U.S. ... just like back in Khrushev days when a young, callow JFK emboldened them to put missiles in Cuba.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has a candidate that most of the population thinks would be a great match...Mccain does not have that...so he has leeway. Obama has an obvious strong person to fill the position that answers the question "Who would be the most effective in the role of VP? and one that has huge bi-partisan abilities...and attributes that strengthen his hand."

I can't think of anyone who meets these criteria. Hillary hardly has huge bi-partisan abilities. And she's the only possibility who's known by most of the population. The average voter not only doesn't know if Biden would be a great match; he has no idea who Biden is. So who are you thinking of?

McCain is expected to announce after Obama, yes. But there's no discussion of whether that's a good strategy, or whether waiting this long will hurt McCain. The discourse is focused entirely on whether Obama's making a mistake, because nobody's examining McCain's decision at all.

Posted by: Blarg | August 20, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

dl wrote (to me!)

that list is not worth screwing up the momentum they needed and the hammering all the possible candidates are getting/have gotten in the past 48 hrs....

so as many names as they are getting to send emails to...they had a sizable list already of people who actually are going to give moneys as obama fatigue is still present

this is not a risk they should have taken on this issue...his first big decision/judgement in the presidential light.

--------

This is so exciting! I didn't know we could have a civil discussion on the Washington Post comments section! A first after all these months! Hello dl!

With all due respect, Obama made the decision about who the VP should be (this is just my opinion) some days or weeks ago. I think he decided before his vacation. That's the big, historic decision.

The only decision being made now is not the choice of VP, but rather the choice of the timing of the announcement. The choice of the VP shouldn't be monkeyed around with to get a few more cell phone numbers, agreed. But the choice of when to announce is trivial political strategizing, and on that, they should do whatever gives them a political advantage, even a small one like some more voter info.

In other words, you have to separate the two decisions -- who is it (serious decision, already made) and when do we tell everybody (not a big deal, just a political decision).

By the way, I do not think they are accumulating those e-mails and phone numbers primarily for money, as you suggest. I agree that wouldn't be worth it. That kind of info is helpful instead to communicate directly to those voters.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | August 20, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

let's be honest here...


we live in a set of ecosystems...


there is no mystery, no surprise, unless you count the stupidity of leaders who think with their metaphorical crotches and not with their eyes and minds...

for example: we could have made a deal for the OIL in IRAQ...


but then there wouldn't have been any big money for


Carlyle Group, Bechtel, Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, DynCorp, and others...


and certainly no NON COMPETE CONTRACTS AWARDED eh ???


so bushCO and CRONYs and COMPLICIT CONGRESS, creates a situation which will drain the nations economy at the very moment when the worlds populations are reaching points that will tip entire regions into famine....


these rich kids, who trash talk anything standing in their way...


could get away with it 100 years ago...the land could withstand their lies.

it's not possible any more.


We need leaders that do not pander to families or the corportocracy.


The US Economy is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

The Global Economy could use a good example of how to treat leaders who are ruthless in pursuit of personal gain at the expense of their citizens.


It would be good to see some whitehouse, executive branch members


brought down low, tried for treason and executed publically....it would give AMERICANS courage...and hope...for a return to HONESTY IN AMERICA...


instead of current provocation and promoting of fear, and cowardice and continuing destruction of our values...


remove these scum from having an effect on our lives,


take out the trash.

Posted by: your doom | August 20, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I doubt it will be Bayh because the Dems would lose a very important Senate seat. Were Obama to pick Bayh and then they get to 59 Senate seats (after the loss of Bayh's) would be almost tragic.

I doubt it will be HRC because no other single pick would galvanize the Republican base more to defeating an Obama/Clinton ticket. She remains way too polarizing.

I doubt it will be Kaine because his lack of experience and relatively poor record in the short time he has been Virginia's governor would be a strong argument for McCain on the experience front.

I doubt it will be Biden because he would be better in a position to become Sec. of State.

As someone else noted, Vilsack could be a good, surprise choice. I also would not be surprised if Obama chose Richardson. However, it would not surprise me at all for Obama to pick someone unexpected but who would not be a total surprise, such as Michael Bloomberg. Good on economy issues, helps bring in the Jewish vote and some independents but who, although quasi-Republican, has moderate stances on traditionally liberal issues (pro-choice, supports gay rights).

I do think it is in McCain's best interest to wait until Obama makes his pick - he could go with someone to counter Obama's pick. Were Obama to pick HRC, McCain might be able to get away with picking someone like Ridge. Or, if Obama doesn't pick a woman (and if the convention is really messy because of HRC and her supporters) McCain could pick Kay Bailey Hutchison (although she claims she was never in the running and doesn't want it - quite the smoke screen for a "surprise" pick).

I do believe that the VP picks in both parties are extremely important this year. It will certainly sway my decision as this decision is key in demonstrating each candidate's judgement.

Posted by: JLF | August 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

needs to do what he wants to to be effective...

let the screamers scream.


remember Al Gore in the 2000 voter recount thing....


George W. Bush had a busload of protestors shipped down to FLORIDA with bullhorns outside the doors of the vote counters in DADE COUNTY FLORIDA...SCREAMING AND SCREAMING "STOP THE RECOUNT!!!!!"


BLANTANT EMOTIONAL COERCION....duly reported back to Al Gore


Jeb Bushes girlfriend Katherine Harris was to deliver the goods as the FLORIDA STATE AG....verify the vote count...she said later that GOD SAID IT WAS ALRIGHT TO LIE FOR GOD....

Jeb BUSH had the voter rolls illegally culled in predominantly democratic areas of FLORIDA...and paid millions to make that happen....

Then the ELECTORAL voting pads were rigged so that some democratic ballots weren't counted...ELECTORAL FRAUD...


and the PRESS was SCREAMING AND SCREAMING calling Al Gore a wuss and a spoiler for asking for a RECOUNT...


what would 8 years of AL GORE HAVE LOOKED LIKE????


no money spent illegally pandering to Halliburton, Blackwater, KBR, BECHTEL, BLACKWATER, CARLYLE GROUP, DYNCORP, CACI and others...


just paying for oil we could have cut a deal for...

enforcement of cafe standards, money spent on alternative energy research...


no outsourcing, regulation of EPA and FDA in a

"for the people fashion"


we'd probably be wealthier, still have the respect of the world and have retirement benefits, a future, no realestate problems and wouldn't be


20 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT TO CHINA...

if AL GORE HADN'T LISTENED TO THE SCREAMERS...


want to do the right thing????? get what you want to happen...

don't be led....


if they're screaming really loud, you're doing what they don't want you to do...


keep doing it.


don't forget to prosecute unmercifully those who attempted to mislead you.


.

Posted by: o ba ba man | August 20, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

A suspenseful poker card game hand unfolding.

Posted by: Lou R | August 20, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Why do you not bring up the fact that the Bush administration set up the George incident in order to get McCain elected or are you afraid or not up to what is going on.

Posted by: Benjamin Munoz | August 20, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

FairfaxVoter

that list is not worth screwing up the momentum they needed and the hammering all the possible candidates are getting/have gotten in the past 48 hrs.

The debate that has arisen for Obama to pick who he wants /or who is best...

is a bad one...

it's not like McCain's where it is between who will win and who he wants...

there is a big difference between those two discussions...

Mccain will withhold character of choice no matter what...

Obama could see his judgement look more that it is selfishly political and not about character.

so as many names as they are getting to send emails to...they had a sizable list already of people who actually are going to give moneys as obama fatigue is still present

this is not a risk they should have taken on this issue...his first big decision/judgement in the presidential light.

Posted by: dl | August 20, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

>> scrivener wrote: "I'm still thinking that Obama, looking at the polls and realizing he needs to do something to avoid a total collapse, asked Hillary to be his VP, and she declined -- throwing his campaign into a panic, thus explaining the varying dates and times that have been floated for the announcement."

I think that if this is true, there are two interesting comments that can be made.

I don't support Clinton being Obama's VP, because I think she should stay away from him, but I will finally break my silence on why Clinton would be Obama's best VP, in making the below comments.

(1) WHY CLINTON IS OBAMA'S BEST-VP PICK:

Hillary has the votes, across a spectrum of states. Her base complements his base like two pieces of a puzzle. Together they form a powerful representation of interests across the Democratic party, whereas Obama's base, without Clinton's, is racially, demographically and politically too narrow, consisting of young people, blacks, ivory tower elites and socialists. With Clinton, their combined base is a cross-section of America, a powerfully persuasive argument for "change" if you define change as a movement away from narrow special interests and ideologues dominating the power circles in Washington. Picking Clinton as Obama's VP also lends the first real substance to his claims that he can unify people, transcend narrow differences and lead a real movement (the reverse argument is, if Obama can't unify with Clinton, "old-guard" Democrats and centrists, who can he unify here at home or abroad?). Obama is jejeune, callow and too inexperienced to run for President and the only real damage control he can do at this point is to point to the senior advice and mentorship and counsel that the centrist Clintons would bring to his Administration (he can't build his resume, but he can show he would have some respected senior mentorship and voices in his head, if he's elected). Obama needs an attack dog who's brilliant enough to eviscerate Republican policy wonks and sharp enough of a prosecutor to make Republican attack dogs look like fools. That would be the woman who beat Obama in every debate during Primaries, who started her career as an assistant prosecutor during the Watergate proceedings. Finally, Obama needs that 30% of Clinton supporters who don't plan to vote for him. That far outweighs any increase in voter base he can get from the registration drives.

(1) WHETHER CLINTON WOULD ACCEPT/REJECT THE OFFER:

This is a toss-up.

Obama has waited too long. If you look closely at the analyses: money and so on, he's not as good of a candidate as was sold to superdelegates back in April and May. In fact, McCain has come back with little money and it now looks like the money contest will be roughly even this Fall. (In part, Obama needs the money from the Clinton donors to restore a money advantage over McCain). Clinton might even take the nomination away from Obama if his numbers crawl down some more on Thursday and Friday of this week (which would be good for the party, even though it's too late for her to raise money and win if she gets nominated).

If Obama is going to be soundly beaten, as it looks like he will, the Clintons will be vindicated as having warned everyone of the truth, instead of attacking a rival who was better than they (which is how their opposition to Obama has been portrayed by the media and the Obama camp). They will be the unquestioned party leaders and Clinton would get nominated, next time. The disaster that the Obama nomination would/will be can't really be avoided. But a coherent leadership for the Democratic Party can be salvaged for next time, with the leadership of the party being with the centrist, pragmatic and brilliant Clintons instead of the narcissistic, irrational party ideologues on the left who are so out there Michael Moore's suggestions sound saner than theirs.

If Clinton accepts, this means that both the Clintons and Obama have a clear vision of how their relationship would work, how the mentorship would balance with respect and to what degree the platform will reflect their vision and insight, as opposed to being a left-wing pointless indulgence of a losing party.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Convention/Post-Convention on Steroids:...."

Remember the Republican convention is just a few days after the Democrats have theirs - the effect of a late veep anouncement would be to dilute somewhat the Republican post-convention bounce.
Unless,... McCain waits until the end of the Democrats convention to announce his choice, in which case this whole thing is a wash.

Posted by: Suresh | August 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Blarg

because Mccain has always been assumed to go second...and pick in reaction to obama.

and that would be to win to implement the policies... when his choices are not as clear as Obama's.

Obama has a candidate that most of the population thinks would be a great match...Mccain does not have that...so he has leeway. Obama has an obvious strong person to fill the position that answers the question "Who would be the most effective in the role of VP? and one that has huge bi-partisan abilities...and attributes that strengthen his hand.

Posted by: dl | August 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs a Veep ASAP to close out the silly season of Veepstakes and start to form a confident and consistent message with a skilled surrogate by his side and across the nation. They've dropped the ball so far.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: mpp | August 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the observers you consulted missed what has seemed the obvious to me (or am I wrong?).

With each passing minute, hour, and day, more people are freely presenting the Obama campaign with a phone number and e-mail so those people can directly get the word on the VP nominee who is selected. (I'm one of them, but they already had that info for me, anyway.) You might think everyone would have signed up by now who's going to, but what with the Olympics, summer vacation travel, and so on, I would bet that they're still coming in.

Surely someone in Chicago is keeping an eye on the number of new registrations each hour, and when the graph line stops climbing quite as fast, or seems to plateau, then it's time to go with the announcement. Short of that, ride it out, baby, and let that info keep rolling in! This is a campaign that has the brains to wait.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | August 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

and scrivener

Hillary doesn't look better because of this...PUMA and their screamers made sure of that.

Hillary looks worse because of the reaction people who say are her supporters have had in the past 24 hrs.

In fact this and Bill's comments yesterday may be the straw that lost her her senate seat.

sad. If you want her to be in office you would help heal wounds instead of inflaming them

Posted by: dl | August 20, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Unless I've missed a major news story, John McCain also hasn't announced his VP pick. Why is nobody worrying about that?

McCain has 3 choices: He can announce before the D convention (which is seeming less likely), he can announce during the D convention (and get no media coverage because everyone's focused on the convention), or he can announce between the conventions (which has the same disadvantages as Obama announcing this weekend, plus the fact that the media will still be talking about the Democrats.)

But this doesn't get any coverage. Everyone's wondering about whether Obama has made a huge mistake, and acting like McCain doesn't even exist. As usual, Obama's every move is examined with a fine-toothed comb, while McCain gets vague positive coverage. And people have the nerve to say that the media is biased against McCain!

Posted by: Blarg | August 20, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I will say this is the biggest misstep of the campaign.

I agree with the earlier comment on the fact that this takes all the wind out of any excitement the pick would have had.

The biggest issue is the tax this will take on, not only the inevitable nominee's reputation but also the other people who are being dragged through the trash every day in these debates.

We now have people who 48 hours ago were enthusiastic again... ...suddenly bitter and angry because the tone in the air is whether Obama is picking the "one he wants" or "the one that's best".

Which will leave any candidate who has been chosen looking like they were second choice by either obama or second choice for the country.

and now the PUMA freaks are on the warpath again.

Obama looks like his campaign is made up more of Paris Hilton publicists spinning the press and the country rather than people who are concerned with the countries future.

I am the biggest Obama supporter out there...but this making of the announcement seem more important than who it is and getting them out there feels "slick"

It is the marriage not the wedding you pick your VP on and that is the problem with this misstep.

Sen. Obama with this one drawn out roll out plan you look more worried about the image than the character.

It also makes me wonder about his judgement on if the nominee is the best person to step in if he for some reason could not finish his term and not about who would be most effective in the role of VP. It seems like the focus on who "looks" like they would be good for election night.

And although it goes with a very strong PR campaign...this is anti-thetical to the man I saw speak in NH over the past year and a half...answering questions with deep concern for doing the right thing for the nation...not the politically correct thing for him to be elected.

I hope they resolve their announcement plans soon.

Posted by: dl | August 20, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

from the british

Thursday February 8, 2007
The Guardian

Special flights brought in 367 METRIC tonnes of banknotes which disappeared into the IRAQ war zone.

The US flew nearly $12 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS Ben FRRANKLINS in plastic shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent....


some say bribes were paid to iraqis to hand over their country to the invading forces....

The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically laid bare by a US congressional committee.

In the year after the invasion of Iraq in 2003 nearly 281 million notes, weighing 363 tonnes, were sent from New York to Baghdad for disbursement to Iraqi ministries and US contractors. Using C-130 planes, the deliveries took place once or twice a month with the biggest of $2,401,600,000 on June 22 2004, six days before the handover.

Details of the shipments have emerged in a memorandum prepared for the meeting of the House committee on oversight and government reform which is examining Iraqi reconstruction. Its chairman, Henry Waxman, a fierce critic of the war, said the way the cash had been handled was mind-boggling. "The numbers are so large that it doesn't seem possible that they're true. Who in their right mind would send 363 tonnes of cash into a war zone?"

The memorandum details the casual manner in which the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority disbursed the money, which came from Iraqi oil sales, surplus funds from the UN oil-for-food programme and seized Iraqi assets.

"One CPA official described an environment awash in $100 bills," the memorandum says. "One contractor received a $2m payment in a duffel bag stuffed with shrink-wrapped bundles of currency. Auditors discovered that the key to a vault was kept in an unsecured backpack.

"They also found that $774,300 in cash had been stolen from one division's vault. Cash payments were made from the back of a pickup truck, and cash was stored in unguarded sacks in Iraqi ministry offices. One official was given $6.75m in cash, and was ordered to spend it in one week before the interim Iraqi government took control of Iraqi funds."

The minutes from a May 2004 CPA meeting reveal "a single disbursement of $500m in security funding labelled merely 'TBD', meaning 'to be determined'."

The memorandum concludes: "Many of the funds appear to have been lost to corruption and waste ... thousands of 'ghost employees' were receiving pay cheques from Iraqi ministries under the CPA's control. Some of the funds could have enriched both criminals and insurgents fighting the United States."

According to Stuart Bowen, the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, the $8.8bn funds to Iraqi ministries were disbursed "without assurance the monies were properly used or accounted for". But, according to the memorandum, "he now believes that the lack of accountability and transparency extended to the entire $20bn expended by the CPA".

To oversee the expenditure the CPA was supposed to appoint an independent certified public accounting firm. "Instead the CPA hired an obscure consulting firm called North Star Consultants Inc. The firm was so small that it reportedly operates out of a private home in San Diego." Mr Bowen found that the company "did not perform a review of internal controls as required by the contract".

However, evidence before the committee suggests that senior American officials were unconcerned about the situation because the billions were not US taxpayers' money. Paul Bremer, the head of the CPA, reminded the committee that "the subject of today's hearing is the CPA's use and accounting for funds belonging to the Iraqi people held in the so-called Development Fund for Iraq. These are not appropriated American funds. They are Iraqi funds. I believe the CPA discharged its responsibilities to manage these Iraqi funds on behalf of the Iraqi people."

Bremer's financial adviser, retired Admiral David Oliver, is even more direct. The memorandum quotes an interview with the BBC World Service. Asked what had happened to the $8.8bn he replied: "I have no idea. I can't tell you whether or not the money went to the right things or didn't - nor do I actually think it's important."

Q: "But the fact is billions of dollars have disappeared without trace."

Oliver: "Of their money. Billions of dollars of their money, yeah I understand. I'm saying what difference does it make?"

Mr Bremer, whose DISBANDING OF THE IRAQI ARMED FORCES......


and de-Ba'athification programme have been blamed as contributing to the present chaos, told the committee: "I acknowledge that I made mistakes and that with the benefit of hindsight, I would have made some decisions differently. Our top priority was to get the economy moving again. The first step was to get money into the hands of the Iraqi people as quickly as possible."

Millions of civil service families had not received salaries or pensions for months and there was no effective banking system. "It was not a perfect solution," he said. "Delay might well have exacerbated the nascent insurgency and thereby increased the danger to Americans."

Posted by: hello freaks. | August 20, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Tom Vilsack is hiding in plain sight. Not on any list, fully vetted. Would be great going to South Dakota, Kansas, etc.

Posted by: Old Pol | August 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

THE PIG IS WEARING LIPSTICK.
IT'S HILLARY WHO IS LOOKING GOOD.


The direct mail consultant who says the Obamanists are getting all the "earned media" possible by releasing news on a Friday or Saturday is way off.

If the news comes out no later than mid-afternoon Thursday, the campaign will indeed get max coverage by the weekend papers, columnists, TV shows. Any later, and it's too late.

No matter how well-staged, a Saturday political event on a nice summer weekend at the end of August cannot gain maximum media exposure. People are out having fun, not worshipping at the alter of Obama's stagecraft. Anyhow, they've seen that Lincolnesque background before. Get a new act.

And this bit about "minimizing exposure" by reducing the window before the convention would apply only if the VP pick is a gaffe machine (and who would make such a pick?)

A pre-convention tour, as you note, would bolster prospects in key states. Obama has squandered that opportunity.

I'm still thinking that Obama, looking at the polls and realizing he needs to do something to avoid a total collapse, asked Hillary to be his VP, and she declined -- throwing his campaign into a panic, thus explaining the varying dates and times that have been floated for the announcement.

No, Chris, you can't put lipstick on a pig. This is not looking good -- except for the Hillarians, whose prospects for a successful convention putsch increase with each new poll that shows Obama going down.

Now the RCP electoral poll shows him losing to McCain, with McCain gaining in the battleground states and earning a turnabout 5-point lead over Obama in the Zogby.

Yes, it's all going according to plan -- Hillary's plan.

The question now: Is she telling confidants that she's going for the nomination herself; or is she going to play the role of powerbroker, steer the nomination to Gore, and step back with the knowledge that the Clintons have recaptured the Democratic Party from the clutches of an unearned power-grab?

Posted by: scrivener | August 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

My sister in denver has a contract to sell tshirts, buttons, yard signs at the dnc convention with Obama and his vp on the material.

She has no idea even today who it will be, and she needs to ave the stuff ready by 9am sunday!!!!!

Posted by: paul vogel | August 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

One of the best-written into pieces about the benefits or risks of delaying naming a VP so late was written back two weeks ago by Walter Shapiro:

Obama veepstakes: The medal round
Obama appears unlikely to announce a running mate until the Olympics wind down. But waiting until the convention is close could be risky.
By Walter Shapiro

(http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/08/05/veeps/)

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Bayh! Bayh! Bayh!

I'm guessing Evan Bayh will be VP, based on his likability in Indiana, especially with the Blue-collar "downscale" voter with whom Obama is having problems (*cough* racism *cough*)which would give Obama "street-cred" in Ohio.

Kaine would be a good choice but I don't think he would do as well in Ohio as Bayh, though I don't know for sure, and Ohio is the Must Win state for either candidate in '08.

At this point, I think Biden is a long shot given that there is a thing as _too_ much experience, which would make Obama seemed too inexperienced, and the point is too win the election, not head a committee on global affairs at the UN. Plus he has demonstrated time and again how gaffe-prone he is and clearly Team Obama highly values message discipline.

To even place Hillary in the universe of possible candidates is a laughable idea. No chance! They can't admit this, of course.

Any ideas. What do you think?


Posted by: el_barto | August 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama's veep selection process has played out longer than a slap and tickle prom date. After all the build up, perhaps Peggy Lee's "Is That All There Is" will be hummed at the convention.

Posted by: modvarep | August 20, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain takes the lead:

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUKN1948672420080820?sp=true


- should make for an interesting convention in Denver

Posted by: Don't look now but.. | August 20, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How great would it be if Obama ended up picking Al Gore as his VP and McCain picked Lieberman? Longshot, but as someone said yesterday, if Gore was promised his old job back to promote green technology, it would make for such a fun VP debate.

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Posted by: Whig | August 20, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

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