Will Obama's Aggressive New Tone Work?

So, it's come down to "my base fighting their base". O.K. Here it goes. Since family values are so important to the Repubs in this election by their parading Sarah's kids out for all America to see, I don't think it should be out of bounds in my judgmental way to say that the Palin's are not a very good parents. If any other cultural group in our society pulled such a stunt, they would have been ostrocized. Only the self-rightous right wingers can get a way with being so hypocritical. Maybe the Palin's are not as much at fault as the McCain handlers.

McCain has shown that he is multitalented in being able to channel Richard Nixon in lying campaign commercials, George Bush in foreign policy, and Herbert Hoover in essentially saying prosperity is just around the corner.

It's a shame that so many appear to have been reduced to the level of simpering idiocy by listening to Rush Limbaugh and watching Fox 'News'. They seem unable to perceive the basic truth that the neocon movement has failed, the Publican party has failed, and that the peabrains who have been manipulated to vote and act against their own interest over most of the past thirty years have at last brought the country to the brink of ruin. WE ARE BANKRUPT, YOU IDIOTS. How are McCain the lame brain and Palin the dim bulb going to FINANCE the next round of ill advised adventures they propose? Oh, yeah- they'll ask our good friends, the Chinese and the Saudis, to lend us the money IN RETURN FOR OWNING THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. You are moral and intellectual cowards too afraid to confront the enormity of your betrayal of the United States. After the last eight years, it might already be too late.

Can you see through Barak Husein Obama? Free enterprise in America is far from his agenda. Socialism is more government control over every average citizen. Take away the goal of prosperity and there is no middle class. The elite like Obama stay on top and the rest of us working americans get our weekly ration no mater how hard we work. The government gets the rest to keep the elite on top. More Government!

I think that Obama needs to go after McCain hard, not using dirty tactics as McCain has been using, but going after him with the truth.. Expose McCain for being dishonorable, for not putting country first. For not being able to be honest with his dealings with the American people by endorsing those ads that are filled with lies and distortions. By using the tragedies of 911 for political gain. Obama has to show alot more passion, without being angry. He needs to take a strong stand against McCain and not Palin. Treat her as irrelevant, put no more focus on her because that is what the Republican wants. Leave that to the news media and bloggers. Obama needs to show that he is strong and will fight back. He has to show a stronger image, because we need a fighter in the White House. Someone that will take the bull by the horns and pin him down into submission. Obama said he wants to change the way politics works in Washington and I admire that and I admire him for sticking to his guns on that issue. It shows that he has the stregth to stand up for what he believes in> He does not have to get down in the mud, but he has to throw a punch to show he means business.

I pay only a very little attention to what Chris Cillizza writes in his articles. I am, rather, here to sow discord and to malign those who support a candidate different than mine as being unAmerican, unintelligent (* although keep in mind that this is a sarcastic charge, as a truly intelligent candidate would understand that these accusations make no sense), immoral (for definition of "moral," see "Swaggart, Jim..." uh, "Bakker, Rev. Ji-" uh, "Thomas, Clar-" uh, I mean, "Christ, Jesus"), and just generally unAmerican (It's a vaguely-defined point which I just keep hitting, and so should you.)

Also, for other self-made conservative activists like me, some advice: it's important to note that any message which you feel is really important should have NUMEROUS SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS. This is necessary in order to convince others "of the flock" that you are genuine in your fervor, and do not have so much book larnin' that you're all smarty-pants and think yer better than the others on your production line (or in line waitin' fer gubmint assistance, or standin' around a fiery cross on Sunday evenin' with all the rest o' your kin.) Very important to reassure your conservative reader that yer jist as dumb as him, prolly even dumberer.

Sarah Palin is a Vice Presidential candidate! She is not the one running to be president, John McCain is. So why on earth would anyone advice Obama to "take on" Sarah Palin? Why has the media turned this into an Obama vs. Palin campaign? Quite frankly, the immaturity that tends to show itself in how the media in the U.S. conducts itself is enough to make people stay away from politics. Obama can still run an aggressive campaign that is based on the current struggles Americans are facing without going negative.

Yes, Obama is on the right track. The Sleazy McCain camp is on an aggressive campaign of silliness, divisiveness and distraction to confuse the sheeple of America.

They want Americans to associate Obama with everything bad and scary. It is really an impressive pavlovian experiment. Enter voting booth, see Obama, feel bad (issues won't come to mind since McCain doesn't dicusss them) and vote McCain (without really knowing why. Get screwed over the next 4 years.

It would be a sad reflection on America if,as implied by a lot of the blogs I have read, the decision of who should be President depends on colour or sex or who is best at denigrating the other! Why not just concentrate on the very major issues-the economy,health care,the state of the planet,security and not being so reactive as to result in more suffering and waste?

It now appears that the Republicans are on the defensive. Wot, so soon?

I can't believe Americans are seriously considering voting for these Republican phonies. THEY ARE LIARS!

Remember this frontpage of UK newspaper after the re-election of Bush in 2004: HOW CAN 57 MILLION PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/53461/Daily-Mirror-on-George-Bushs-Reelection?query2=katie%20bair

Don't make the same mistake, America.

VOTE FOR OBAMA!

JOHN McCAIN IS NOTHING BUT AN OLD WINE IN A NEW BOTTLE CALLED SARAH PALIN. WE NEED A BIG CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY AND OBAMA WILL BRING US THAT CHANGE. COME NOV. 4TH 2008 BARRACK OBAMA BY THE MERCY AND BLESSING OF GOD WILL WIN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. GOD IS WATCHING AND VICTORY WILL BE OBAMA'S. YOU CAN ARGUE ALL YOU WANT, BUT GOD WORKS IN A MYSTERIOUS WAY. OBAMA'S ON HIS WAY TO VICTORY.

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- energy independence
- social security
- job outsourcing
- oversite of the banking industry
- oversite of oil market manipulation

Who would trust McCain any more than the current incumbant with these problems? Not me.

Now how do we know she has the 'natural ability' to make hard, yet correct, decisions?

Did that come from the talking points this morning, or do you just 'sense' that? or do you know by your own observation?

Just wondering.

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Sarah Palin just starting running for Vice President - the national media is just getting to know her - I can tell you this - I feel 1000% more comfortable with her in command in a National Security crisis as compared to Obama.

Obama has been in war games (scenarios which are run as part of seminars) as legislative training -

Other Senators have commented on how Obama hesitates when asked to make a decision, refuses to order the use of troops (in a war game situation) and will not order the bombs to be dropped (in a war game scenario.)

The Senators who have made public statements expressed doubt that Obama had the ability to handle an actual crisis.

Sarah Palin has the natural ability to lead this nation in a National Security Crisis - the nation can have confidence in her

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Sarah Palin has the right instincts: She will order the shooting first and ask Charlie Gibson about the doctrines later.

The Palin Doctrine:

1) Yes it was their fault.

2) Yes they deserved it.

3) Yes I don't care what the doctrine says.

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Nothing is going to work. He's finished. Outdone by a hockey mom in lipstick.

You guys do know the real reason McCain can’t use a computer. Hint it has nothing to do with his mental aptitude. It’s the same reason he’s unable to tie his own shoes and comb his own hair. It has to do with having all of his fingers being broken while in the care of those wonderful people of Communist North Vietnam.

Obama Cancels SNL Appearance

"In light of the unfolding crisis in Texas, Senator Obama has decided it is no longer appropriate to appear on Saturday Night Live tomorrow evening," his campaign said.

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Since it is learned that the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent first will automatically win November's elections and it has nothing to do with issues and popularity polls, wonder if Obama's decision to cancel SNL show this morning and head back to Chicago tonight after rally in NH, is an orchestrated public distraction from his specific attempt to bump off mutual opponent in the middle of the night tonight instead?

Apparently the mutual opponent exposed corruption within both parties and is specifically targeted. It is also learned this party is wealthy so this is another motivation to bump person off.

The question is will Obama solicit an OJ Simpson convict type with jail time to do the bumping off? Will the Dem party employ the popular law enforcement practice of 'sweetheart deals' where such crimes/murders are committed by convicts in exchange for less jail time, conveniently covered up and real culprits publicly unsuspected?

Should we too have to worry about our family's safety as our habits and plans are known in advanced via bugging devices both in private and public places frequented? For example, should we worry when we do our routine jog, shop or are asleep in the middle of the night in the privacy of our home?

As a manager from the computer field I review references and double check resumes before deciding who works for me. This is what the American voter must do.

Too many times I watched peers hire the wrong person and have paid dearly for their mistake. I'm afraid most voters don't do due diligence before going into the voting booth. As for me I wouldn't hire O for anything..

People do your research, don't hang your hat on what CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc report. Fact check anything the media reports (you will be surprised that they don't tell you (the rest of the story).

All of a sudden McCain and his cohort are hurting with the response to his attacks coming back to hunt him. I think the excuse that the injuries from his detention being the cause of his computer illiteracy is vacuous. McCain has never been a cerebral person and all he ever talks about is war in an age when the world needs meaningful construction. Besides he graduated at the bottom of his class. Please be honest for once Mccain is an antiquated doughnut with nothing between his ears. If his injuries as a POW hinders his computer skills, I think he may be grossly incompetent for high office. I shudder to imagine that McCain who should not be trusted with a pair of scissors is seeking to control America's war arsenal. God save us all.

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Obama, the next President of the Unites States.

McCain is a liar, thief, crook and mentally challenged.

He dumped his cancer ravaged wife for a millionaire - real family value.

And he has no idea how many houses he has, just like you and me.

He flips and flops whatever direction the wind blows.

Any person with an ounce of brains would not believe a word that this guy says. He is also a member of the Keating-5 - the people who ripped us off of millions.

He can brag about the polls taken on land phones, but the cell phone voters are not reflected in these McCain touting polls.

Stay tune for change with Obama or more of the same with Bush-McSame.

Joan and Catherine,

I dont think how educated you are matters at all. Because i guess you have only been educated the last few weeks and ignored the travesty this country has suffered under the GOP the last 7 years. Do you like high gas? having the constitution stepped all over? Then go ahead and vote GOP, because when we go further down that slope you will have nobody to blame but yourselves....

Obama thinks he knows what is best for me and my family. He doesn't. He doesn' know me. He doesn't know my preferences. I don't prefer Western healthcare.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 10:15 AM

This is an excellent point and really the hallmark of the Elitist beliefs of the Left. They think they know better.

They think they know better than me as a parent, and want to teach my first grader about condoms.

They Think they know better how to raise my kids. So they want to take them and instill their beliefs and values.

It's sick.

Stay out of my life.

Teach addition, teach subtraction. don's step on my toes as the parent and teach about homosexuality to my third grader.

It is absolutely their belief, and that they know better. That is none of your business.

More and more Americans are opting out for Home schooling, charter schools and Parochial schools.

I am a highly educated young voter, and I know many highly educated young voters--none of us are voting for Obama. However, it doesn't take an educated person to figure out that he is not only not ready to lead but he is a socialist who wants to oppress the working class with more and more taxes to fund his socialist programs--aka give away to lazy people who think that the government should take care of them. Be advised that his policy ideas are not about caring about the poor; they are about the government getting more and more control over our lives--telling us what we should believe and what we should do with our money. He is so out of touch with mainstream American.

Truth is that the democrats chose a very poor, inexperienced candidate based on his celibrity status amoung young voters, the media, and hollwood elitists. He is no where near a candidate of the people. He is a spoiled elistist and now when he loses the election because the poor baby can't handle real politics (as opposed to the cuddleing by the media that he is accustomed to),I am going to laugh so hard--this choice really was comical. How can the people depend on a party who can't even chose a decent candidate much less one that could actually run a country.

You know i am sick of hearing about women moving to McCain because Obama didnt pick Hillary. Where was your enthusiasm in 84? I bet you werent enthused. I like Hillary but she has way to much baggage and nothing concrete to stand on. For those on this blog who are women who say they are not voting Obama because he wouldnt pick Hillary just shut up. You seem to forget that a African American with mixed blood and an Islamic surname which really seems to get the rednecks and racists all rilled up is a bigger thing than a woman running. African Americans have only been able to vote for about 40 years. Yes they have had the chance to vote longer but thanks to the tests the southerners gave them when they tried to vote it has been much harder for them than women. I havent heard of any white women being lynched because of their color. Just remember this, if you act this way now, Hillary will have no chance in 2012 or any other year. There may be 18 million of you but there are many more americans than just 18 million women. And trust me we will remember your childish antics the next election. So go ahead and let your childish actions set women back another 50 years. It will only be your fault....

I think this NY Times article summs it up very nicely:

As we watched Sarah Palin on TV the last couple of days, we kept wondering what on earth John McCain was thinking.
If he seriously thought this first-term governor — with less than two years in office — was qualified to be president, if necessary, at such a dangerous time, it raises profound questions about his judgment. If the choice was, as we suspect, a tactical move, then it was shockingly irresponsible.
It was bad enough that Ms. Palin’s performance in the first televised interviews she has done since she joined the Republican ticket was so visibly scripted and lacking in awareness.
What made it so much worse is the strategy for which the Republicans have made Ms. Palin the frontwoman: win the White House not on ideas, but by denigrating experience, judgment and qualifications.
The idea that Americans want leaders who have none of those things — who are so blindly certain of what Ms. Palin calls “the mission” that they won’t even pause for reflection — shows a contempt for voters and raises frightening questions about how Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin plan to run this country.
One of the many bizarre moments in the questioning by ABC News’s Charles Gibson was when Ms. Palin, the governor of Alaska, excused her lack of international experience by sneering that Americans don’t want “somebody’s big fat résumé maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment where, yes, they’ve had opportunities to meet heads of state.”
We know we were all supposed to think of Joe Biden. But it sure sounded like a good description of Mr. McCain. Those decades of experience earned the Arizona senator the admiration of people in both parties. They are why he was our preferred candidate in the Republican primaries.
The interviews made clear why Americans should worry about Ms. Palin’s thin résumé and lack of experience. Consider her befuddlement when Mr. Gibson referred to President Bush’s “doctrine” and her remark about having insight into Russia because she can see it from her state.
But that is not what troubled us most about her remarks — and, remember, if they were scripted, that just means that they reflect Mr. McCain’s views all the more closely. Rather, it was the sense that thoughtfulness, knowledge and experience are handicaps for a president in a world populated by Al Qaeda terrorists, a rising China, epidemics of AIDS, poverty and fratricidal war in the developing world and deep economic distress at home.
Ms. Palin talked repeatedly about never blinking. When Mr. McCain asked her to run for vice president? “You have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission,” she said, that “you can’t blink.”
Fighting terrorism? “We must do whatever it takes, and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and even who we target.”
Her answers about why she had told her church that President Bush’s failed policy in Iraq was “God’s plan” did nothing to dispel our concerns about her confusion between faith and policy. Her claim that she was quoting a completely unrelated comment by Lincoln was absurd.
This nation has suffered through eight years of an ill-prepared and unblinkingly obstinate president. One who didn’t pause to think before he started a disastrous war of choice in Iraq. One who blithely looked the other way as the Taliban and Al Qaeda regrouped in Afghanistan. One who obstinately cut taxes and undercut all efforts at regulation, unleashing today’s profound economic crisis.
In a dangerous world, Americans need a president who knows that real strength requires serious thought and preparation.

God, I miss Hillary. With whatever negatives Hillary brought, they could be surpassed by her temperament, decision-making, and real understanding of the American people. Obama has breathed the rarified air of Hyde Park, Columbia and Harvard Yard. His community organizing was a little social experiment, his internship. Even his recent past does not make him "of the people," and his rock star tour,...er...campaign...just has magnified the phony that he is. The DNC tried to capture what they thought was lightning in a bottle. But the storm has passed, the fog has cleared, and we see Obama for what he is: idealistic, thoughtful, narcissistic and ambitious. But not the leader we need him to be. A good politician would have made the calculation that Hillary on the ticket was better than Hillary off the ticket, and he should have paid homage to Pres. Clinton long before he did. He is very much like George W. Bush in his supreme overconfidence paired with very limited experience. The final straw for me---though I very much thought the ticket should be reversed---was when Hillary was passed over.

I truly hope the Republicans are successful this time around. At least John McCain is what he is, and he is not a phony like Obama. WYSIWYG. With Obama, that changes with the audience, the polls, and the prevailing CW.

The DNC deserves to bear the brunt of the fallout from this election. Whoever was behind this plan to finagle an Obama victory in the primaries should be held to account. I, for one, can't wait to read the tell-all that is in the making.

Hillary 2012

The only fools that claim that HRC supporters are fully behind NObama now are Nob's media prostitute pals and Nob woshipping gutter rat groupies.

It cracks me up how media prostitutes like Roland Martin and other Non pimps claim on TV that all HRC supporters are behind Nob now. How would these pimps know? From day one, these media prostitutes have been pimping for Nob and trashing HRC using race and sex cards. Now they speak for us?

I don't see any more polls lately how many HRC supporters are for NOb or Mac, and how many will sit home. Perhaps the media prostitutes are afraid to do those polls, because it will burst their gas bubble. The last time we checked, around the time of Nob coronation in Denver, fully 1/3 of HRC supporters were supporting Mac now, and only 1/2 were committed to Nob.

Is it any surprise that there has been a 20 pt swing among white women towards Mac away from Nob since Palin selection? Where do the gutter rat groupies of Nob think those swings came from? From HRC supporting women, that's who.

So, take all your theories such as "HRC supporters will never vote Mac, and against their own interest", and stuff them in your nether regions. HRC supporters know our self interest is in seeing HRC in the WH on Jan 21, 2013. And the only way that can happen is if we vote against Nob on Nov 4, 2008.

One really has to question Obama's recent tactics -- getting aggressive in an irresponsible, negative way makes him seem even more irrelevant. The more I hear from Obama, the less I feel he is Presidential. His best audience is comprised of college students, professors and arrogant intellectuals who have no idea what the rest of the country is about.

My sister sent me a YouTube link that really says it all about national security and whose really qualified to lead our military in these challenging times. Please copy and paste the link below into your browser window. It's a video made by a member of our armed services stationed in Iraq who knows something about service to country and its impact on the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

I fell sorry for the republicand that are really blind. I cannot beleive the people of this country can vote for another republican when we have been for more than 7 years of the worst ever goverment in american histoy. How convenient is distance himself from Bush at this time, very convenient. If McBush wins election and in four years from now the country is even in a worst situation than now(and that will be a fact, wait and see what happens after the mortgage resets in 2010 and 2011!) I can see the next republican candidate claiming that he is not the same as McCain, that he is a maverick, that he is an independant. I guess you american want to see you country in ruins devastated to react. And I thougth that there were stupid people only in my country!

NO, not most educated people are voting for Obama, most african american people are voting for obama, dont see why people are afraid to say that, thats why he is where he is, they dont care if hes bin laden blood, they just want a candidate that can chit chat with oprah and listen to rap, they just want a black president plain and simple....well u in for a big surprise

Wow, yet another flip flop by the Obama campaign. He will use public finance before he won the nomination, he won't use public finance after he is the nominee. He supports the idea of town hall debates with McCain before he was the nominee, then he is against town hall debates once he is the nominee. He will change politics as usual in Washington with bipartisanship, but in campaigns he goes negative against his opponent with same style negative politics in Washington. We just can't trust Barack Obama.

You know we are in dire times here in this country. All i see on this blog and other blogs are innuendos, half truths and just blatant racism. People our country is in bad shape. So what do we do about it? Nothing but add more fuel to the already growing fire that is the problems facing our nation. If you want to support your candidate please feel free to do so, but stay with the facts. The stuff i see on these blogs makes me sick. We seem to be more stuck on whether either candidate paid their paper boy like that is somehow going to fix our country's problems. Here is what we need to focus on:

1. Which candidate is better prepared to get us out of Iraq.

2. Which candidate is going to stop high gas prices.

3. Which candidate will fix our education problems.

4. Which candidate will fix our healthcare.

5. Which candidate will do what is right for our country instead of what is right for big business.

We have seen over the past 7 years that poor leadership is the anchor around our necks. So stick with the issues. The rest you can keep to your selves....

I can't wait to vote for McCain and Palin.

They can't handle the truth! -- to paraphrase Jack Nicholson.

USS Forrestal 1967...our long voyage into the night continues...
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Honesty equals character. Let's do a little fact check on McCain's honesty/character. These are all things

McCain has said:

On Palin:

Palin sold state airplane on e-bay for a profit: False

Palin opposed and killed the "Bridge to Nowhere": False

Palin gained foreign policy expertise by being nominal head of the Alaska National Guard: False

Palin gained foreign policy experience because Alaska is geographically proximate to Russia: Are you kidding?

Palin is a reformer because she has fought earmarks: Wildly false.

On Obama:

Obama supported legislation to teach sex education to
kindergarteners: Offensively false.

Obama referred to Palin as a pig: False

Obama claimed racism against McCain: Completely false.

On McCain:

McCain supports tax cuts for the middle class: False

McCain supports reform of any kind other than simple re-tooling of the current system: False

McCain has any interest in a lasting peace anywhere in the world: False. (Without on-going war, McCain has no reason for being on the national stage.)

McCain is opposed to the influence of lobbyists: Other than his entire campaign staff, True.

McCain is opposed to earmarks: True, only because he favors massive spending without using earmarks, and without making them "revenue neutral" as his idol, Reagan did.

McCain knows anything about the economy: False

McCain knows how many houses he owns: False

Sum: Zero honesty equals zero character.

Posted by: Michael in Los Angeles | September 13, 2008 8:55 AM

Obama thinks he knows what is best for me and my family. He doesn't. He doesn' know me. He doesn't know my preferences. I don't prefer Western healthcare. I prefer raw foods and holitic healthcare.
I think that everyone should take personal responsibility for their healthcare and prescrptions should be few and far between.
I want everyone on this board to know that the United States government pays private companies $800-$900 a month or allots that same amount for Medicare per senior citizen for their healthcare.

With Obama's Universal healthcare and with the government administering that you can bet it will double or more.

Obama doesn't know me and he doesn't know what's best for me and I don't care if he can lead, because I am not willing to follow him. He's a power-hungry street thug.

O needs to get back on message. Go back to what got him here: a broad message of hope that has excited and energized 100s of millions around the world. Don't waste anymore time on Palin. Don't take the bait and go "angry black man" because the folks who are telling you to do that would then turn around and crucify you.

Palin is no more qualifed than that fool, Elizabeth Hasselbigot. The press has given Palin a free pass. Just deal with it: She has yet to submit to a legitimate interview (Gibson's of course does not count). Her own campaign admits she cannot be interviewed because she is not qualified. The media seems not a bit bothered by her plans to go to war with Russia, her dream of Alaska seceding from the Union, her belief that dinosaurs walked with man, and her devotion to Pat Buchanan's views about fellow Americans of differnt backgrounds (as detailed on the AntiDefamation League site), and her [alleged] racial slurs against Obama, AAs, and Eskimos (as reported by journalist Charley James in laprogressive.com).

If the press isn't going to do their job, it will be tough sledding, but just deal with it. Also man-up and have a (listen, woman) private, in-your-face, one-on-one with HRC: tell her to cut the BS and start campaigning or there will be no Hillary 2012, -16, -20, or -24. It'll be all right. As Maya said, "Strong men, keep a'comin'."

Cap

I think it interesting to juxtapose this story "Will Obama's new aggressive tone work?" Against the story running on Politico "Why McCain is going so negative, so often." This article supports and encourages Obama's "new aggressive tone" and suggests that it demonstrates a new hard edge to a candidate, who has lied, distorted and manipulated the "truth" to fit his own reality since the beginning of this campaign. On the other hand, Politico's article, chatises McCain, the cynical old war dog, for going "negative" and leaving behind the old "straight talk express" in favor of gutter politics.

The fact of the matter is that both candidates are doing and saying what their campaign staff think they need to do to win. This is nothing new in American politics and, when the stakes are this high, will be played out again just as rough and just as dirty again four years from now.

These two stories demonstrate well the media bias for the liberal democrat and against the conservative republican, but one only need to tune in talk radio to discover the exact opposite.

It is for the American people to do, to wade through political double speak and cast their vote for the the candidate they think most able to lead this country in what will be a very scary and challenging world environment. It is important that we, as voters, not get to caught up in the process, but focus down on what we think the two presidential candidates will bring to the world stage. Palin and Biden will both be post scripts within 3 months of the election, so neither "heartbeat" really matters that much.

This is going to be a nasty, down in the trenches, down and dirty confligration. The candidate who emerges will be all the tougher and the more prepared for the more important battles to come. After the election we will not come together as a nation, and we never have. People either loved or hated Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John Kennedy, etc. They all became more loved and less reviled as the decades passed. We are an imperfect political system that continues to produce imperfect leaders. But those leaders often rise to the occasion and perform in crises in ways we would never have imagined. We will continue to be divided over race, ethnicity, class, and shared values as we are in our families, in our cities and towns, from state to state and in nearly every facet of our lives. America is the greatest human experiment ever undertaken on this earth. One candidate will win and one will lose, and there will be great hand wringing and gnashing of teeth. And then we will get on with it. No country on earth provides the kinds of opportunities that America provides to her citizens...........and so the contest to lead her must be as brutal and uncivilized as it is. No risk no reward. Take heart people, we all win for the process.

Honesty equals character. Let's do a little fact check on McCain's honesty/character. These are all things McCain has said:

On Palin:

Palin sold state airplane on e-bay for a profit: False

Palin opposed and killed the "Bridge to Nowhere": False

Palin gained foreign policy expertise by being nominal head of the Alaska National Guard: False

Palin gained foreign policy experience because Alaska is geographically proximate to Russia: Are you kidding?

Palin is a reformer because she has fought earmarks: Wildly false.

On Obama:

Obama supported legislation to teach sex education to
kindergarteners: Offensively false.

Obama referred to Palin as a pig: False

Obama claimed racism against McCain: Completely false.

On McCain:

McCain supports tax cuts for the middle class: False

McCain supports reform of any kind other than simple re-tooling of the current system: False

McCain has any interest in a lasting peace anywhere in the world: False. (Without on-going war, McCain has no reason for being on the national stage.)

McCain is opposed to the influence of lobbyists: Other than his entire campaign staff, True.

McCain is opposed to earmarks: True, only because he favors massive spending without using earmarks, and without making them "revenue neutral" as his idol, Reagan did.

McCain knows anything about the economy: False

McCain knows how many houses he owns: False

Sum: Zero honesty equals zero character.

Get over the lipstick comment. Obama was NOT referring to Palin, but should have been. Or is that insulting to pigs?

The truth: Being last in your class, responsible for crashing 6 planes, a POW, abandoning your wife after a horrible car accident for a younger wife, and a history of voting with Bush 95% of the time DOES NOT MAKE MCCAIN QUALIFIED for anything other than our sympathy. We can feel sorry that he was captured and tortured. That does not mean he should be president, or like someone else said, that would make Guantanamo an Executive Training Facility.

Palin had to go to 5 colleges in 6 years to graduate with C's. Her son entered the military because he was offered jail-time or service time last year for an offense. Her 17-yo daughter is pregnat. These are not attacks, these are the truths. So get off your high-horse Republicans, because you have it so wrong.

"Most educated people are voting for Obama."

My husband and I aren't. Between us we hold 5 advanced degrees, including 2 PhDs in science and applied math.

Obama went groveling at the feet of Bill Clinton this past Thursday, presumably to learn from the master of deceit and obfuscation.

It won't work any better now than it did when Bill campaigned for Hillary.

How can Obama get back "on message" when he never had one to begin with? Change and hope? Suddenly, he is reverting to all of the tired cliches espoused by Dick Durbin and Rahm Emmanuel. Change and hope is the campaign strategy for every politician.

Oh, my gosh, a McCain supporter grasping at a few words, taking them out of context, and distorting them into supporting sex education for children. No, such a thing could never happen! The bill was intended to teach children how to AVOID molesters. A simple reading of it, and Obama's words, make this plain. So much for "Straight Talk."

Obama should take McCain apart over the kindergarten "sex ed" ad. Any one knows that Obama's legislation was meant to protect children from harm. McCain's ad reveals that, at his heart, McCain has no character and, frankly, no reliable sensibility. His reputation for acting before thinking needs to be exposed, and he needs to be prevented from inflicting that on the nation.

Perhaps reading the text of the bill vs. what Senator Obama said it was for would point out the ad is in fact true

"Obama should take McCain apart over the kindergarten "sex ed" ad. Any one knows that Obama's legislation was meant to protect children from harm. McCain's ad reveals that, at his heart, McCain has no character and, frankly, no reliable sensibility. His reputation for acting before thinking needs to be exposed, and he needs to be prevented from inflicting that on the nation.

Posted by: Michael in Los Angeles | September 13, 2008 7:59 AM "

Perhaps reading the text of the bill vs. what Senator Obama said it was for would point out the ad is in fact true

this country lost all its respect and standing around the world.....guess why....because what you see now in the election....lies, plus all the white people supporting mccain just b'coz he is white....thats way stupid.....this is one more reason why our country is also struggling economically....and what not...god save this country ...i hope people realize whats at stake...obama is the best candidate i have seen in years...why cant americans just give him a chance....so deeply in race and gender....i'am a white and i dont look at our country as how other see...i will vote for obama

Obama should take McCain apart over the kindergarten "sex ed" ad. Any one knows that Obama's legislation was meant to protect children from harm. McCain's ad reveals that, at his heart, McCain has no character and, frankly, no reliable sensibility. His reputation for acting before thinking needs to be exposed, and he needs to be prevented from inflicting that on the nation.

It's amazing that Obama would stoop so low to mock John McCain's war injury.

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Obama seems to be completely losing it. The man of Hope seems to have abandoned it. Anger and hostility now rules the day.

Obama's party invented the Internet (remember Gore) and sent coded messages to his Hussein brothers in the middle east. BTW, What was Barack Hussein doing in Pakistan in the early years. Any MSM care to investigate instead of looking for trash in Alaska's dumpsters

No longer can Americans trust the media, which was given special constitutional privileges to look out for the folks."Obama is an empty suit. From the day he was sworn in to the Senate to the date he declared his run for the presidency, is only 145 days on the job. He has literally no experience. (Not figuratively, literally!) He's not qualified to run a Dairy Queen.

Proven Obama has most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate. Obama is to the left of Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Russ Feingold, Pat Leahy and Barbara Boxer. That's extremely difficult to do. Obama is a textbook big-government, tax-and-spend liberal. He plans to raise income tax rates, capital gains tax rates, Social Security taxes (by virtue of eliminating the cap), dividend taxes, inheritance taxes, and introduce a slew of new taxes. His plan will destroy this country

To ALL the obamakins and of course the bias CNN & MSNBC I have one simple request. Please spare me the hope and the change bull, and the Bush's third term, McSame etc… Please just tell American voters what qualifies Barack Obama to run this country. What qualifies him to oversee our $14 trillion economy, the largest on earth? What qualifies him to be commander-in-chief of the U.S. armed forces in a time of war? Please just give me one single solid qualification. And race does not qualify!! That would be one more than anyone including cable media has provided to date. WE ALL HAVE GROWN EXTREMLY TIRED OF MEDIA SAINTED OBAMA….

Aug. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Nigerian Stock Exchange Chief Executive Officer Ndi Okereke-Onyiuke is being investigated after holding a fund-raising event linked to U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, Agence France-Presse reported.
U.S. electoral laws forbid donations from foreigners to electoral campaigns.

Obama keeps reaching back to Chicago political past for policy advisers, and pulling one despicable, vile, and even evil “rabbit” after another out of his hat.
The list of Barack Obama’s radical associations is long and it keeps getting longer. Some are now well-known, but many are not. They need to be.

23 years at TUCC with Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks. racist sermons on Youtube.
He chose the most radical church in the country; chose to immerse himself in hard-core ideological radicalism. Never before has this country considered such a radical leftist for its chief executive.

Michael Pfleger and his hateful and race-hating ramblings, Obama met while carrying out his own radical social activism as community organizer at ACORN, (radical organization)

Penny Pritzker, heads Obama camp National Finance Committee was president of Superior Bank - massively failed and she literally bought her way out of jail paying $460 MILLION fine; was the very epicenter of subprime loan scandal” that would come to eat this nation’s financial system alive.

Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, former head of Obama’s vice presidential selection committee, discovered he benefited from sweetheart loans from subprime king Countrywide.

Tony Rezko certainly and his federal indictments and financial dealing with Obamas of course and William Ayers, US terrorist bomber, Obama-co-lecturer, fellow board member, neighbor, and friend.

Communist Frank Marshall Davis, obama mentor; Saul Alinsky and Gerald Kellman (Kellman’s Woods Fund is how Obama hooked up with terrorist William Ayers)

Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, appointed as Obama camp national coord for Muslim n affairs also stepped down after news about his stint on the fund’s board - which includes fundamentalist imam - prompting The Wall Street Journal inquiries about relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood and his long personal relationship with Hamas Jamal Said.

Obama desperately needs voters to forget hes the son of a Muslim father who served an incredibly brutal and corrupt Kenyan government; to forget he attended a madrassa in Indonesia and practiced Islam; forget that he campaigned in Kenya on behalf of Raila Odinga, who relied upon chaos, corruption, and violence in his campaign; numerous associations with radical Muslims; forget the photographs of Obama in traditional Muslim clothes, hanging with Muslim radicals such as Mazen Asbahi and anti-Semite Rashid Khalidi.

Enough. Obama need not take the same old low road paved by Rove. He IS the candidate of change - and should ignore all advice to campaign otherwise. He does not need to rally a base, he needs to continue to win over intelligent independents and republicans - and the only way to do that is to stick to the issues and contrast the differences between the McCain/Bush/Neocon agenda, and his agenda for peace and prosperity.

Current members of Congress have received $3.8 million from the [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac] since 1998 (including only their candidate committees). Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the Senate banking committee, collected the most from the employees and PACs of both mortgage buyers at $133,900. Democrat Barack Obama collected the most from individuals associated with Fannie Mae at $101,150 and a total of $122,850 from both companies, putting him behind Dodd. Obama's opponent in the presidential election, John McCain, has received only $21,300 from both since 1989.

Obama's latest ad mocks John McCain's inability to use a computer ignoring that, due to his war-time injuries, McCain is unable to type on a keyboard.

We already knew Obama has a habit of talking down women, but the fact that his campaign now also mocks disabled people is news to me !

All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

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Barack Hussien Obama was number three in the list coming in at $111,000 received from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Yeah, Obama represents change.

Suckers.

McCain CAN'T use keyboards - or tie his own shoes or comb his own hair - for a physical reason: His war injuries. So it's not a matter of being out of touch. It's a matter of a physical disability earned while serving our nation. Are the Democrats making fun of him for that??? That's pretty low.

I laughed seeing the NY Times front pager on Obama's gonna get tough. Do tough people say "OK, now I'm gonna get tough". The campaign bellowing about new toughness is universally understood as the sign of fearing loss, and being weak. Tough guys don't say they'll get tough -- they act tough all along.

If Obama is so smart, and so nuanced, and is such a great decision maker and leader. Why isn't Hilary the VP? The one big decision he had to make, the one that would have put him in an no lose position, and he blew it for LACK OF COURAGE.

Obama's coming apart in the general election because he's a LIBERAL EXTREMIST:

- DEFEAT in IRAQ;
- NO DRILLING, NO NUCLEAR ENERGY;
- BIG BLOATED GOVERNMENT;
- MORE ABORTIONS;
- SUBMISSION to ISLAMIC TERROR;
- More TAXES.

His ideas are REPULSIVE.
His RECORD = ZERO.

Obama is AGAINST AMERICA.

Chris, you take care. Thanks for the chance to comment.

I don't know about McCain supporters in general, but some of them here are blowhards and boors.

Oh, I think that new ad is not as good as his others. It's sinister and has lost the playfulness of the "What a Wonderful World" ad, which I realize is the point. Gloves off. It's aggressiveness might work. I dunno.

McCain supporters are already arguing that McCain's war wounds make it difficult for him to type and so Obama is essentially picking on a gimp war hero. In addition, he's picking on seniors and the poor, despite the fact that many of those seniors are computer literate and many poor have access to computers in school. These assertions are being derided in blogs but that won't be enough. They'll need to be answered on tv and in print too, I think.

I don't think Sen. Obama needs to worry so much about Gov. Palin. I doubt it will be a cake walk for her after seeing the Charles Gibson interview.

People are fed up with Rovian tactics. Period.

I haven't seen the ads. But I think Senator Obama needs to be aggressive tough, not aggressive mean. Cool-headed and affable.

I notice Obama's supporters are fighting back. Big time. I wonder how many of them have participated in the election polls everyone cites. Not many, I would guess. I haven't. I don't answer the land line phone. I am not young.

Contrary to what Rove would have Obama believe, many people like Senator Obama. He needs to redouble his efforts and reach outside his base. He knows that.

Sounds silly perhaps, but I hope he's exercising, eating right, and sleeping. It's important. He needs to remain the picture of health compared to his senior opponent.

Have fun. I see he's planning to on Saturday Night Live. Excellent.

Palin, actually whacked corruption in her own party in Alaska... several times. Which seems to be one of the reasons McCain picked her; as he's gone after Republicans in the past as well.

Obama changed nothing coming up through Chicago, then picked a D.C. insider as his VP.

So who's going to change D.C. for the better?

Obviously Obama is saving his energy, which is why he went along with corruption in Chicago... or something. Right?

Because he's going to change things; even if he hasn't yet anytime he's had the opportunity to do so... I hope?

Wait, is that the hope and change?

mccain send emails constantly, although they are dictated to his aids or his wife because he cannot use a keyboard.

mccain has been a leader in the senate on technology, as chairman of the commerce committee, and in his 2000 run innovated how the internet could change politics, a path that was mimicked 4 years later by howard dean and eventually barack hussein obama.

obama attacking mccain because of his war injuries is easily the lowest shot in political history, and would be equated to if bill clinton had mocked bob dole for being unable to shake hands with his right hand or write his name.

obama owes disabled vets around the country an apology.

Listen up all of you people that generalize & so easily categorize others into BUNDLES. Educated people DON'T DO THAT.

I have noticed that a large number of Obama supporters are especially guilty of "miscalculating" people that don't agree with THEM, the dogma dictates of their con-artist ObamaMessiah, and his lavish "rockstar" (so-called) principles.

This behavior is repetitive and near-robotic. Most often the responses are as predictable as Obama's - the One over whom they swoon & idolize!

"Oh, it's just the same old Washington politics" he said/she said.......
"What this country needs is a NEW KIND of politics based on HOPE [gag] and change.." [double gag].

Bizarre.

Do any of you Obama supporters EVER ask HIM any questions? Do any of you REALLY want to know the TRUTH? Is any one of you capable of independent thinking?

Assuming you supporters are truly on a quest for TRUTH and "independent thinking" happens to be within the range of all of your vast capabilities, perhaps you Obama supporters should be asking YOUR candidate WHY he continues to cite Factcheck.org as HIS independent fact-checking source in HIS GROWING "Fight-The-Smears" campaign? Perhaps certain of you people should verify your rockstar candidate's claims instead of just blindly believing everything he says.

What's the biggie, anyway? There's no worry, no loss & no harm done IF all of your candidate's claims are true, correct?

There is absolutely ZERO RISK!

Take a stand! Ask your leader why he continues to cite as independent a fact-checking source over which he presided and continues to have enormous influence? Just ask HIM, the Obama, how "Annenberg Factcheck.org" can offer the "independent" verification so critically necessary to his "fight-the-smears" responses?

If the thousands of (unprecedented) charges leveled against him are truly lies as Obama repeatedly states, then why does Obama support those claims by checking them against his personal affiliation & conflict-of-interest site, FactCheck.org?

If the claims are, in fact, LIES -then wouldn't you think Obama smart enough to "check the facts" with alternative sources with which he is unaffiliated?

Just think: Obama could immediately quash all of this adversity by simply authenticating his claims and versions of TRUTH against a truly independent fact-checking source.

Yet, Obama has failed in this regard. To my knowledge, Obama was unrestrained when he decidedly enlisted a source with which he has a conflict-of-interest to support his claims that the so-called "Republican" allegations against him are all lies, lies - NOTHING BUT A PACK OF SAME-OLD-POLITICS LIES!

In essence, Obama used HIMSELF to support HIMSELF.

Ahhhh......INTERNAL regulation at its best....

The ONLY POSSIBLE explanation for Obama's reckless reliance on "Annenberg FactCheck.org" is - if and only if - the stated allegations are TRUE.

Oh. There is one other remote possibility: repeated instances of stupidity & negligence.

What of the two stated options do you Obama supporters find more appealing, if any? Huh? Or - which amongst you will resort to the "same ole......same ole...rhetoric" and instead go on the offensive by attacking ME, the messenger?

Certainly, Obama should be secure with himself and in his message. At this point Obama should ONLY strive for UNFILTERED TRUTH. His supporters should mimic Obama in that regard and strive for the same. Transparency should not pose a threat to Obama as long as Obamas "Truths" are NOT the SMEARS in disguise. Obstruction & secrecy just doesn't cut it.

You see, ALL of Obama's "truth" claims come into question once there is a challenge to his source of factual proof. The most disturbing of all is the reason behind Obama's proof-positive decision.

No, I'm not a Republican. I'm a Democrat, far left of center. But, I don't like lies, cheating, fakery, persuasion, caucus fraud & the resulting disenfranchisement. I vote based on experience.

Never would I vote for Obama - a man who I understand is guilty of many things and therefore untrustworthy. Moreover, the fact that Obama questions dissent is troublesome. Obama knows quite well that there is no democracy without dissent. Obama and his PRO spin-cycle media all know quite well that many of us who don't support Obama are also well-educated. Some of us even have Ph.D.'s! Huh? Imagine that!

The democrats want to take the US back to 9-11.

Here is some information

NONE OF THE 9-11 Hijackers were from Afghanistan.

Osama Bin Laden and the entire Al Qaeda leadership are not from Afghanistan.

If the war on terror is just about Afghanistan please explain all of this.

9-11 happened cause the US allowed what was going on in the mideast to continue.

9-11 was the price of doing nothing about the mideast.

The main reason for terror is that middle east regimes and elites encourage it.

Sure he could hunt and peck with one finger, but since it is painful, why should he? He reads newspapers every day, as do I, and I am a software engineer with a CPSCI degree. It's far easier for him to use a cell phone or simply speak to his staff. His routine is also to read his email with his wife, and then dictate responses. There are numerous Internet references to this, as well as his chairing the Senate Technology Committee during his 2000 run in which his campaign used the Internet to great effect. You are simply wrong, as is Obama's campaign. The complaint is not unlike making fun of Roosevelt's wheel chair, and they will look even more ridiculous in the coming response, gaining ridicule for making fun of a disabled vet. They will continue the free-fall right up to the election, taking some Congressional Democrats with them.

Repubs are very good at projecting out onto the Dems whatever they are trying hard to get away with...ie...all attacks on palen are now sexist remarks yet when they went off on Hillary in the primaries it was not sexist - you guys need to show the comparison to get ahead....you are on the fefensive and need to get back on the offensive quickly...Palen is a distraction - that your surrogates go after her. You need to press the point that Palen can go after the Dems that gives the Dems the right to respond in kind...she is a pit bull according to her own words then she should expect to be hit with questions that are hard as a pit bull can take....last, but not least, Hillary is not out there campaigning very hard for you - I really feel, deep in my heart, that she wants McCain to win so she can go after him in 2012????not that she will win.....

The Messiah can do no wrong, heretic!

What kind of person would make fun of a war veteran who has trouble using a keyboard because of the torture inflicted on him during service to our country?

How can you do this and hold yourself up as a candidate for presidency of this country?

Actually, Sen. McCain is not in the US Congress, Mr. Snippy. And certainly, his office and campaign make good use of all available technologies.

Microsoft operating systems have come equipped with 'helper' services for the disabled since 1993. I know, because I have configured them for disabled, computer-literate persons since that time.

Posts stating that Senator McCain cannot utilize a personal computer due to disability -- a result of his being tortured -- are emotionally resonant, and absolutely false.

Surely the U.S. Congress has employees like myself who can enable Senator McCain's computer with adaptive technologies for the disabled. Or, lacking that, I'm certain the Senator could hire his own staff to perform this function.

In today's age, when so many disabled citizens enjoy an improved quality of life due to various computer technologies -- from screen readers to TTY to voice recognition software -- there simply isn't an excuse for not knowing how to utilize a computer. If Senator McCain doesn't know, he hasn't tried to know.

A new ad from Obama making fun of McCain because he can't send email. Uh, a little googling would reveal that McCain's hands were broken and thus he can't use a keyboard. Yup, mocking disabled vets will get Obama votes. Smart strategy that, like his trashing rural women, senior citizens, and pregnant girls. Oh, that's right, it isn't working, as his recent poll numbers show.

Can Obama lead? No he can't. Sure Obama can promise things as president, but he can't deliver. He can only ask Congress to do things. With 50% of the voters against Obama, chances are slim that anything of his will pass. Obama has a better shot of getting thing done as a senator, but spending just 140 some days in his two years of office isn't going to do anything.

Obama has been helped by spending $40 million a month and having bands open up for him. He has very little in terms of loyal followers. That's why he is trying to bribe people with sweet tax deals and universal health care. That money of course will be coming from their own pockets so it;s like taking $20 out of your wallet and then putting it back into your wallet and then claiming you got $20 more.

On the international level, he will be known as the Bay of Pigs kind of flip flopper. Nobody will bond with him because he will just change his mind midstream, especially if he watches poll numbers. Obama doesn't want to get stuck in an unpopular international issue even if it's the right thing to do.

I believe that President Obama will just be boxed in and ineffective. At least McCain has made real friends on the Democratic side and around the world. Obama has nobody to turn to.

When is Charlie Gibson going to ask Obama about his views on homosexuality? After all, Obama has inside knowledge.

Good point about McCain. Most people don't realize that a military pilot has to take
courses in advanced mathematics and engineering. These are not easy subjects.

What do you think of a man that will prosecute a war even if it lasts 100years PROVIDED THERE ARE NO LOSS OF LIVES. I guess you'll describe such a person as insane. This was McCain brainlessly boasting about fighting in an illegal war in Iraq.

It's not going to work with me. Obama was the candidate of change, remember? Well, apparently he forgot, and now is coming out of the closet as a conventional politician.

Senator Obama said we had 57 states,did not know that Russia had a veto in the UN Security Council, was against the surge and thinks the president has to call in the Joint Chiefs in order to pull out of Iraq(as commander-in-chief
he does not need their advice on this).
One could go on and on.

The press would be all over Sara Palin on
these things.

And you people are scared of Sarah?

My point here is that any candidate can make a mistake.

First, we have Joe Biden encouraging a handicapped, wheelchair bound MO State Senator Chuck Graham to stand up for a crowd.

And now we have the latest ad from the Obama/Biden camp making fun of John McCain for not being able to use a computer or send email. Obama/Biden poke fun at McCain, suggesting he is old and doesn't get the new technology.

One small problem. John McCain's hands were so severly crushed by his torture as a POW, he can't use a keyboard (During the 2000 election both the Boston Globe and Slate coved this.). It is physically impossible for him. John McCain cannot brush his own hair or tie his own shoes. He is a brilliant man, but he cannot lift one of his arms higher than his elbow. Prior to being tortured and having his bones broken over and over, John McCain could fly jets. So let's not pretend McCain is some doddering buffoon who doesn't understand technology.

Imagine this sorry scenario for God's Own country: A senator seeking the highest office in the land talking about Czechoslovakia; probably thinks Canada is in Europe and Mexico is in Asia. He has no clue about the greatest invention of our time and is supported by a pretty face with so much foreign policy experience derived from her proximate residence to Russia. The next we'll hear is that Pageantry is sufficient qualification for. How are the mighty falling.

Georgia an independent, sovereign country wants to join NATO a mutual, DEFENSIVE
alliance.
Russia invades and occupies this sovereign nation. That is acceptable?
The whole point of NATO is to pre-emptively
prevent this from happening. The expectation that military action would ensue is enough to dissuade any aggressor.

Chris:

HRH Elizabeth can use the first person plural when referring to her decisions and idea. You are a commoner, a mere piss-ant and any one piss ant liberal or jackass, who uses the first person plural when writing about his opinion is an effete liberal Grow a pair and use the word I.

free advise that you a piss-ant will reject.

Chris:

HRH Elizabeth can use the first person plural when referring to her decisions and idea. You are a commoner, a mere piss-ant and any one piss ant liberal or jackass, who uses the first person plural when writing about his opinion is an effete liberal Grow a pair and use the work I

free advise that you a piss-ant will reject.

Can the McCain supporters please respond to the last 2 entries below?

McCain can't even represent Arizona well. How in the world could he lead our country?

my problem with the neocon republican party is quite simple. while was a great idea, and businesses createthe jobs. problem is the current capitalists are overly greedy, they lie, they cook the books, the inflate stock value, and unfortunately you can only hide that so long before the bottom falls out!!!
yet i hear john mccain talk about more deregulation?? i just heard a report that pilots are begging the FAA for more regulation because the airline have laid off much of the workforce and the remaining pilots are being ask to fly more and more routes without proper rest. we've seen bear sterns, fanny mae, freddie mac, and now lehman brothers all lined up for bailouts. why? because we deregulated the banking/mortgage industry. the made loans to unqualified applicants to get higher returns. the people defaulted banks lost their money, house values dropped. i see washington federated is nearing collapse, next will be the big 3 auto makers.
i see a lot of people saying a lot of things about obama, and there is reason for concern. but some i think are not. income taxes. the hero of republicans, ron reagan. came in and lowered everyone's taxes. the deficit started growing out of control. but he was smart. over the next 6 years he raised the taxes on the top 5% of earners 6 times, then bush 1 raised them again. it didn't get under control till the second year of clinton. then we had 5 years of budget surpluses. what did bush 2 do? he cut them again!! and now we are 8 trillion in debt. mccain want to cut them across the board even deeper!! and he still has major spending in his "platform" how will they be paid for?
do i think everything obama wants to do is great?? no way. he has too much spending, but at least he is bringing in revenue and of the two he is the only one talking about public works and infrastructure. i feel he is offering more in the direction i'd like the country to go. all i hear from mccain in earmarks, which makes up about 2% of the budget. and a call of reform but what is he reforming?? i here him say washington, but what? he has major washington lobbyist in nearly every paid position. he picked one of the top oil industry lobbyist to head his transition team. obama has lobbyists too. but if you go head to head, mccain's guys are bigger, the lobby us congress, and they do it for foreign countries.plus he is making reform and getting rid of lobbyists his #1 issue!! i'm going for obama but if he scews up as bad as bush i will spend every minute i can to destroy the 2 party system. that is the biggest problem in this country. activists from the far end vote in the primaries, we end up with the most extreme candidates. mccain and the party thought he wasn't far enough to the right so the had him go ultra right wing with palin. he wants her to be energy czar because she "fought" big oil. she fought them to get more taxes from them. and once they agreed, she fought every alternative form of energy. check her veto's.
this election has once again become a popularity contest. who is most like us. who can we have a beer with. who talks plain. why is it that someone being intelligent, well read, and a great speaker a bad thing?? i want my president to be smarter than me!! i want him to know stuff. i want him to inspire people. i want him to be a guy who wows me with new ideas, not drink a beer with me. maybe i'm being an idealism. i hope that i am!!

If McCain is going to lie about Obama, it's time to tell the TRUTH about McCain:

He dumped his first wife who waited for him while he was a POW.

He dumped her for a younger, wealthier woman after she had lost her looks in a car accident.

He married the woman with whom he was having an adulterous affair.

That woman has since then supported him.

He only got into the Naval Academy with his dreadful high school grades because his daddy was and admiral.

He graduated 894th out of 899 in his college class.

He lost FIVE planes as a navy pilot -- only one of those when shot down to become a POW. How many other Navy pilots would have gotten a 5th chance if their daddy wasn't an admiral? ZERO.

He has never earned a dime other than from the US government.

He has been supported by others almost all his life -- first his father and now his trophy heiress, drug addict wife.

He protected his drug addict wife from being prosecuted for stealing drugs from her charity to support her habit.

He was a charter member of the Keating Five bribe takers.

His campaign is run by lobbyists -- who advise him to rail against lobbyists, and of course he does.

His association with one female lobbyist got so close that his staff intervened -- it didn't have to be sexual; he was doing all she wanted w/o that.

He said the war in Iraq was a great idea and would be easy, cheap, and over in a matter of weeks -- oops, he went 0 for 3.

He now says anyone who thought it would be easy was a fool -- and he's right -- he's a fool whose judgment is so rash and dreadful he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the White House.

He approves ads based on lies and distortions. This isn't just "tough." These are LIES and intentional distortions that demonstrate a complete lack of ethics.

He has zero ads on actual issues. It's a new lie every day to try to go another news cycle w/o talking about his already-failed-once policies.

He said the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans were unfair -- until he needed to switch that position to get nominated.

He said waterboarding was torture -- until he needed to switch that position to get nominated.

He proposed a bipartisan immigration bill with Sen.Kennedy -- until he had to oppose it to get nominated.

He authored a campaign finance bill -- then violated it in the primaries this election.

He admitted he knows next to nothing about economics.

He thinks we could have "won" the war in Viet Nam -- which means we'd still be there were it up to him.

He thinks we can "win" the occupation in Iraq and is prepared to stay 100 years if necessary to do so and since that looks like $10b per month plus untold deaths for decades to come if he has his way.

He wants Georgia to be a member of NATO -- which would mean the next time Georgia attacks and gets crushed we WOULD be obligated to go to war (not "perhaps" as his moron VP pick suggested).

He has serious anger management issues that make him scary as hell near a nuclear "button" and make his foreign policy based on 100% bluster and threats even scarier than Bush's.

His fits of rage can also lead to a heart attack which could stick us with the least competent VP of all time -- well, maybe Dan Quail has retired that crown.

He is 72 years old and like everyone else that age has a failing memory -- he has trouble remembering which Islamic sect is which w/o Joe Lieberman prompts.

I could go on, but to sum it up for now:

He is 100% pond scum with no redeeming characteristics and has been for a LONG time and is absolutely destroying the integrity of our very democracy and we haven't even reached the policy issues that make him so out of touch with the American voters that he spends every day talking about ANYthing else.

All of a sudden McCain and his cohort are hurting with the response to his attacks coming back to hunt him. I think the excuse that the injuries from his detention being the cause of his computer illiteracy is vacuous. McCain has never been a cerebral person and all he ever talks about is war in an age when the world needs meaningful construction. Besides he graduated at the bottom of his class. Please be honest for once Mccain is an antiquated doughnut with nothing between his ears. If his injuries as a POW hinders his computer skills, I think he may be grossly incompetent for high office. I shudder to imagine that McCain who should not be trusted with a pair of scissors is seeking to control America's war arsenal. God save us all.

Where the hell are Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton? They are supposed to be such tough fighters -- so step up and do some attacking. Obama should not be on his own here. The GOP is filling the air waves with daily lies and distortions. Where is the support? I know the Clintons probably want Obama to lose, but what about Biden? JOE, you weren't picked to smile at the PTA in Pennsylvania. Speak UP!

I must say, watching the US presidential election `soap opera'is great from outside America. It will truly be a sad day should McCain/Palin win this race. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that, this will definately lead to the demise of such a great nation. Anyway, a country deserves its own leaders ..........

DJ

Obama mocks McCain's inability to send email --- the man was crippled as a result of torture. What kind of sick bstrd is Obama?

That is right Hillary Supporter. BOTH OBAMA/BIDEN AND MCCAIN/PALIN ARE STANDING ON A PILE OF SH!# WHILE CALLING EACH OTHER STINK.

"Most educated people are voting for Obama."

Most wise people will vote McCAIN/Palin

I am a Hillary supporter. I will be voting McCain/Palin not because they are perfect, but because they are the lesser of 2 evils. This is the quickest way for us moderates to get out of this morass.

We try to teach our children the importance of honesty and integrity. You would expect grown ups, who are running for the highest office of the country would cringe from out right lies. In all politics, we do expect some stretching of the truth. However, courtesy of Rove et al, McCain and Palin are wearing lies as a badge of honor.

I know I should not be appalled but I am. How can we trust McCain and Palin as potential candidates for the presidency and VP of this country, if they dare to look at us in the eye and lie over and over again? They lie in the speeches. They lie in the rallies. They lie in the ads. They lie in the interviews. We are not talking about stretching the truth but out right lies. They continue to lie about Palin’s achievements. They lie about their positions. They lie about what Fact Check wrote. They lie about almost everything. This is offensive.

For me, McCain and Palin have demonstrated their character deficient. It is a win at all cost. They intend to garner votes through lies first and repeat it until it almost becomes truth. Rovian McCain made calculated decision to reap the benefits of these lies in both introducing Palin and wrapping himself around with the mantel of change. They decided that truth will never catch up with a lie, so they are running off with these lies. This Rovian campaign has the gall to grossly distort their opponent’s record as in "supporting sex education for kindergarteners," and stick with it. McCain just did that in his interview with "The View." He is betting that half of the voters are too busy trying to make ends meet as working parents, with children that they have no time to verify his blatant lies.

At the same time, McCain crowns himself as “The POW” and extols his character and virtues. We heard so much about his POW experience that you would think McCain is the only POW in this country. For every misdeed of his, he pulls out the POW card. It was an unfortunate experience that McCain should be respected for, but this is “a lie, a smear and a POW”

McCain did show his true character. He has no honor or integrity. No shame will hold him back. He is blinded by ambition and he thinks we owe him the presidency. Sadly enough, McCain wants to reign over America, while he is utterly disdainful of the American people. I hope enough voters take the time to check McCain's “supersized” lies and call him out on it.

Welcome to the ME ME ME first McCain alla Rove.

I am cringing for you McCain. Grow up and shame on you.

Posted by: ZAZ-MD | September 13, 2008 12:32 AM

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and what are these massive lies. You mean like when Saint O says he will raise capital gains to 29 % then 25% then 20% and each time claim that is what he was saying all along.

Most educated people are voting for Obama. The usual flock of thugs are out touting the same tired old stuff about race, religion, guns, patriotism etc. to drum up support for McCain and the nitwits are falling for it. Again. Hopefully the educated ones will prevail this time.

Posted by: MM | September 13, 2008 12:37 AM
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You folks just don't get it.

If Obama wishes to be President, it is HIS problem and not that of the people you look down your nose at.

Obama's remarks to a group of wealthy San Francisco backers who share his world view are not surprising. Surely no one in that audience was even remotely disconcerted much less offended. Just as does Obama, they despise religion, the gun culture, xenophobia and the pitiful creatures that embrace them. Perhaps the only surprise is that someone in that crowd would let the cat out of the bag.

Leftist elitists have always had a hard time comprehending why working people don't believe (and vote) as the intellectual elite thinks they should. Karl Marx even had to invent a new social group, the "lumpen proletariat" to cover workers who lacked the social consciousness he thought they should have. He explained these "class traitors" who wouldn't join his revolution as people who had either only recently fallen into (and resisted accepting) proletarian status or those workers who (foolishly) aspired to be something more. And further Marx explained religion (which Obama tells us these folks are "clinging to") as "the opiate of the people."

Well surprise, surprise...human beings are more than economic automatons and in a classless society individuals are constantly rising from nothing (sometimes even from trailer parks) to fame and fortune. Marx failed to properly envision the future. What is Obama's excuse for failing to understand what is here and now? He'd better grasp it quickly (and convincingly) if he hopes to be President. There is nothing "wrong with Kansas"...the problem is in Oz where he and his friends (like MM and so many other commentators here) live.

Hey Chris, ever consider doing some factchecking on that "computer illiteracy" charge? Your bias and failure to question the Messiah, at any time, is clear. This is a puff piece begging to start the "Obama as tough campaigner yet still for post partisan politics" narrative.
Ridiculous.
http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml
The Obama Campaign May Have Finished Itself Off Permanently — Through Utter Cruelty
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About: See Authors Posts (1341) on September 12, 2008 at 9:58 PM in Barack Obama, John McCain, McCain/Palin 2008, Media Handling of Story, Obama Attack Ads, Obama's Thugs, Obamedia, arrogance

Today, the Obama campaign launched a smart-alecky ad mocking John McCain’s age and inability to keep up with modern devices, such as using a computer. Why, John McCain doesn’t even know how to send an e-mail. Writes Mark Halperin for Time’s blog The Page, “In one of his two latest TV spots, the Land of Lincolner gets personal, saying McCain has admitted he doesn’t know how to use a computer or send an e-mail, doesn’t understand the economy.”

Here’s the problem: John McCain cannot send an e-mail, not because he hasn’t bothered to learn, but because he is physically unable to do so.

John McCain, because of the torture he endured as a prisoner of war, cannot use a computer keyboard. John McCain can’t even comb his own hair.

This ad, released by the Obama campaign today, and played numerous times on television, is utterly cruel, and should not only be pulled from the Obama Web site and Obama YouTube channel — where it is still displayed — but also require Obama to issue a profound apology:

Thanks to Ed Morrissey, we have the full back-story on this:

Earlier today, Barack Obama’s campaign released an ad attacking John McCain for not knowing how to send an e-mail. Their crack research team apparently never heard of Google or Lexis-Nexis, but Jonah Goldberg does. He discovers why McCain doesn’t use a keyboard — his torturers made sure he couldn’t. The Boston Globe reported it eight years ago:

McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain’s encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He’s an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can’t raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

After Vietnam, McCain had Ann Lawrence, a physical therapist, help him regain flexibility in his leg, which had been frozen in an extended position by a shattered knee. It was the only way he could hope to resume his career as a Navy flier, but Lawrence said the treatment, taken twice a week for six months, was excruciatingly painful.

”He endured it, he wouldn’t settle for less,” said Lawrence, who rejoiced with McCain when he passed the Navy physical. ”I have never seen such toughness and resolve.”

Making fun of a war hero’s severe injuries — smooth move, Team O. Talk about computer illiteracy! Doesn’t anyone on the Obama campaign know what they’re doing? Didn’t it ever occur to them that a man who can’t raise his arms above his head might have a physical barrier to using a computer?

Thank you, Ed.

What a terrible error, Team Obama.

The sooner you issue a truly sincere apology, the better.

If you have the character to do so.

Frankly, I doubt you do.

In your world, Being O means never having to say you’re sorry. Or eat humble pie.

Your arrogance will be the ruin of you, Barack.

Not to mention the Democratic party.

Most educated people are voting for Obama. The usual flock of thugs are out touting the same tired old stuff about race, religion, guns, patriotism etc. to drum up support for McCain and the nitwits are falling for it. Again. Hopefully the educated ones will prevail this time.

Posted by: MM | September 13, 2008 12:37 AM

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Yea, that is why Saint O is running radio spots here in PA saying that the day after McCain wins he will strike down ROE v Wade. Talk about playing the wedge issues. Saint O is talking out of both sides of his mouth, the man is a fake.

Most educated people are voting for Obama. The usual flock of thugs are out touting the same tired old stuff about race, religion, guns, patriotism etc. to drum up support for McCain and the nitwits are falling for it. Again. Hopefully the educated ones will prevail this time.

We try to teach our children the importance of honesty and integrity. You would expect grown ups, who are running for the highest office of the country would cringe from out right lies. In all politics, we do expect some stretching of the truth. However, courtesy of Rove et al, McCain and Palin are wearing lies as a badge of honor.

I know I should not be appalled but I am. How can we trust McCain and Palin as potential candidates for the presidency and VP of this country, if they dare to look at us in the eye and lie over and over again? They lie in the speeches. They lie in the rallies. They lie in the ads. They lie in the interviews. We are not talking about stretching the truth but out right lies. They continue to lie about Palin’s achievements. They lie about their positions. They lie about what Fact Check wrote. They lie about almost everything. This is offensive.

For me, McCain and Palin have demonstrated their character deficient. It is a win at all cost. They intend to garner votes through lies first and repeat it until it almost becomes truth. Rovian McCain made calculated decision to reap the benefits of these lies in both introducing Palin and wrapping himself around with the mantel of change. They decided that truth will never catch up with a lie, so they are running off with these lies. This Rovian campaign has the gall to grossly distort their opponent’s record as in "supporting sex education for kindergarteners," and stick with it. McCain just did that in his interview with "The View." He is betting that half of the voters are too busy trying to make ends meet as working parents, with children that they have no time to verify his blatant lies.

At the same time, McCain crowns himself as “The POW” and extols his character and virtues. We heard so much about his POW experience that you would think McCain is the only POW in this country. For every misdeed of his, he pulls out the POW card. It was an unfortunate experience that McCain should be respected for, but this is “a lie, a smear and a POW”

McCain did show his true character. He has no honor or integrity. No shame will hold him back. He is blinded by ambition and he thinks we owe him the presidency. Sadly enough, McCain wants to reign over America, while he is utterly disdainful of the American people. I hope enough voters take the time to check McCain's “supersized” lies and call him out on it.

Welcome to the ME ME ME first McCain alla Rove.

I am cringing for you McCain. Grow up and shame on you.

Obama on offense is like watching the Rich Kotite Jets.

Compare - "he admits he still doesn't know how to use a computer, can't send an e-mail."

with -

"In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate's savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. 'She's a whiz on the keyboard, and I'm so laborious,' McCain admits."

http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html

One Basic economic fact you need to know:
The government takes. It takes money. It takes property. It does not produce anything. It does not earn anything.
It re-directs wealth according to the whims
of a few powerful people in Washington(elected and unelected).
Before Jimmie Carter, there was no Depts' of Education and Energy. We are spending $500-600 billion combined each and every for these two behemoths. Are we getting our money's worth? Who cares?

Gjm
I will tell you who is advising Obama-
He's here with us tonight; he is

CONNECTICUT MAN who understands NOTHING
about ECONOMICS

Senator Obama said we had 57 states,did not know that Russia had a veto in the UN Security Council, was against the surge and thinks the president has to call in the Joint Chiefs in order to pull out of Iraq(as commander-in-chief
he does not need their advice on this).

The press would be all over Sara Palin on
these things.

Just who the H*** is advising the "Trancendant one"? Al Franken?

Forget it folks; all is lost on Connecticut Man. He doesn't have the brains to understand basic economics.

I am guessing the end of republican rule really scares you all because your arguments have gotten ridiculous to the point where we don't even have to rebut them.

First, Joe Liberman has to endlessly correct McCain on war... Then he has to tutor the incompetent choice of Palin in the same. And to top it all off they are learning it all from the idiot neocon Joe Lieberman to begin with.

I don't blame the GOP for being scared... But I do blame them for their failed choices and inability to take responsibility for them.

"connecticut man - businesses are not in the charitable giving business, they are in business to make money. I risk my capital to make as much money as i can."

Quit your crying about your economic problems when millions are on the edge of losing their jobs and homes. John McCain wants to keep his endless wars going at the 10 billion per month hole this economy is getting buried under... And you will leqave the country if someone comes into to stop the financial insanity of the childish republicans?

And when your problem is that the people that work for you want to be paid a fair wage? Get out of business or get out of the country (which you say you plan on doing) if you don't have what it takes to make it in this country. But quit your belly aching over your problem.

If you really want to belly ache? Take it up with the free market theory run amok republicans that built the failures everyone else is suffering under.

Marist 09/05 - 09/08 805 RV 48 45 Obama +3
Fairleigh Dickinson 09/04 - 09/07 872 LV 47 41 Obama +6
Quinnipiac 08/04 - 08/10 1468 LV 51 41 Obama +10
Rasmussen 08/04 - 08/04 500 LV 52 42 Obama +10
Monmouth/Gannett 07/17 - 07/21 698 LV 50 36 Obama +14

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Look out below....there goes New Jersey!
14pt lead down to margin of error in 6wks.
Looks like Sarah's wowing them in Secaucus.

Mentally, Obama is a teenager.
He looks like a kid and his emotions are those of a teenager. It's kind of like he's stuck in time.....he's like someone who never grew up.

I notice he smokes too. The people I have met who are smokers are often really nice people, but they can't say "no" and they are weak in that regard. That's how I see Obama, except that he's also a teenager.

connecticut man - businesses are not in the charitable giving business, they are in business to make money. I risk my capital to make as much money as i can. many times it is up and down, a lot one year not so much the next. It's called risk, reward, capitalism. I help people along the way because if I am profitable I can hire people and they can support their families. Now I buy components from China because if I don't i will not be competitve, thus I will go out of business and everyone will lose their jobs.

"McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care."

And after he gets all emotional about it he votes against paltry raises in the minimum wage and money to improve healthcare for veterans. And then he gets even happier (what an emotion, eh?) as he counts the thousands he saved in taxes from bush tax cuts. What? All you got was a few hundred bucks outa that deal?

I saw yesterday Saint O was crying about the lipstick remark and saying how we should be talking about issues and then today he comes out with an ad making fun of McCain for not using the internet or sending email. Which is Saint O? issues or personal attacks. This is why he is failing as well, you can cry one day and then the next day do exactly what you were crying about. McCain should come out and say enough Saint O, stop your crying and start campaigning and let the best man win, you little jerk!!!

how in the bleep does he (continue to) get away with this??? "do you want someone who will make an authentic change"

oh, that's right, the media could care less about pinning obama down on the outrageousness of his candidacy's entire premise that in some apparently hidden part of his brief career he has been something other than the go-along-to-get-along pol that has NEVER so much as wobbled the boat.

yet *now* somehow this pol which votes his party line 97% of the time is "post-partisan" and a "change agent" - incredible that anyone other than hardcore lefties and dreamy eyed college students would fall for the gaping disconnect between his rhetoric and actual record (what little there is of it).

Connecticut Man-

I only gross $1200 a week NOW.
I don't HAVE ANOTHER $1000 coming in!!!

Got that? It isn't there.
I'm trying to be nice to you but you aren't getting it.

Just translatign for those of you that miss this:
"It's like this-I need markeing help. If I hire them here in California I am looking at $25 an hour for 40 hours a week or $1000 a week. I can't afford that. However, I could move to Costa Rica and sell my product in the US and hire a Costa Rican for $7 an hour."

Translation: I refuse to pay a living wage for any market in the USA and never mind what the free market demands.

Like I said... You've got yours and you don't care a bit about this country or its people. Just YOU and YOUR MONEY. YOU and YOUR MONEY and off to another country to live happily ever after.

Funny how corporations, small businesses and workers still managed to make good money before bush messed up the entire economy with his voodoo economics. Too bad McCain supporters can't admit the truth about that.

"Our economy wouldn't survive without the Internet, and cyber-security continues to represent one our most serious national security threats," [Obama spokesman Dan] Pfeiffer said. "It's extraordinary that someone who wants to be our president and our commander in chief doesn't know how to send an e-mail."

Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by "extraordinary." The reason he doesn't send email is that he can't use a keyboard because of the relentless beatings he received from the Viet Cong in service to our country. From the Boston Globe (March 4, 2000):

McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain's encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He's an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can't raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

I will bet John McCain is sitting at home right now trying to brush up on his computer skills.

It is pretty clear that the O campaign really doesn't know what to do and the heat has just begun. I am sure they would really like the american people to focus on McCain's computer literacy (always a strong skill for a CEO) than on the issues that keep swirling around Oand which I am sure some will turn into full force hurricanes before this over :

His choice of friends, Rezko, Ayers, Wright

His complete lack of accomplishment (oops excuse me...he did write two books about himself I guess that counts if you actually have something to talk about)

His complete inability to pick a path and walk it....offshore drilling, public financing, Georgia, clean campaigns

His inability to make a decision...present? well I guess the people of Illinois should be glad he was at least there....if this man actually had to make a decision they couldn't get the snow of the streets of Chicago.

His complete lack of understanding of the position of the United States in the world today....lets have meetings with everyone who presents a threat to the US...and if we are too busy we will just have the UN have a go at them

His inability to admit that he may be wrong about something....his continued insistence that the surge failed...huh?

His decision making capability...he could have won this election if he could have brought himself to make Hillary VP...instead he choses Joe Who?...oh yeah...that guy who has lived in the Senate more than half of O's lifetime...and this is change....

Yeap...this is the definitely the guy I want running the country. I think I will stick with the guy that needs to figure out where the on switch is on the computer!

So...

Now we have:
1. Obama's VP pick state that Obama has no foreign policy experience and should not be president(watch the commercial!!)

2. Obama's VP pick state that Hillary was a better VP pick than he was

3. Obama bash McCain on inability to use a keyboard because of injuries sustained in a POW camp

You liberals are a joke and make me sick.

McCain/Palin '08

AE Bergin-
Patience, friend.....the only way people are going to learn this economic stuff is if you and I educate others whenever possible.

I know it seems unfathomable that they don't know basic econ,but if you and I don't volunteer whenever possible to teach others, it will only get worse.

Connecticut Man-
It's like this-I need markeing help. If I hire them here in California I am looking at $25 an hour for 40 hours a week or $1000 a week. I can't afford that. However, I could move to Costa Rica and sell my product in the US and hire a Costa Rican for $7 an hour.

This means if I stay in the US I can't afford help of ANY KIND. My business will always stay small. Instead, if I move to Costa Rica, I can hire a helper, and they can help me make more money than I can make myself here or in Costa Rica.

When are people going to realize that Corporations and businesses don't pay taxes they only collect taxes and send them on to the government. If a company lets the tax burden eat into its profits over a long period of time is ceases to exist. either the owners will quit qnd close it down or the shareholders will change the management or desert it. I will admit that corporate executives are paid too much but that is a function of the job market place and soft boards of directors and best covered in another discussion.

I am sick of the hypocritical attacks. We talk about change then throw Hilliary under the bus as she is not qualified while selecting an old geezzer that has been in the Senate longer than McCain. I also want to know a little more about the plagarism charges and all the other questionable things he has been involved in. Sounds like a BIG change to me as he has spent most of his life in Washington.

Wake up you liberal nuts.

Connecticut Man-
Actually, no I dont' "have mine".
I have been trying to "get mine" for the last 25 years. I am finally in a position to expand my business. I can't expand it here. Worse, I live in California. The taxes are very high.

"angry black man on the attack... no that won't scare white america... smooth move nobama"

Woohho! Comments straight off of KKK supporters pages. HINT TO MCCAIN CHUMPS: Just because Palin runs with bigots like her BFF Mark Chryson hasn't made bigoted attacks acceptable in America.

IT'S THE TRUTH, LET'S FACE REALITY

Heard you loud and clear:

"Am I am bad person for trying to survive and not giving the job to someone here in the US?
It's called survival for me as a small business. I can keep more of what I earn, whereas the US government wants almost 50% of my earnings."

You've got yours and screw the workers and America. <<< Just summin' it up for everyone.

I saw`yesterday that under obama's tax plan I will pay an additional $155,000. There goes my charitable contributions.

"multiple liberal press sources, in 2000 before the media turned on McCain, reported that exact fact."

When you make yourself look foolish by lying over and over again in front of millions of people don't blame the press for reporting on it.

To: Robert S. at 7:40 p.m.:

Maybe that's the plan:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/palin-vp-paradox-pawn-geopolitical-game-get-political-w-vic-livingston

Connecticut Man-
Please read the rest of my post.
The whole reason jobs are being sent overseas is that the countries overseas
make it easier for businesses to do business.

I am a small business owner. I will be moving my business to Costa Rica because the taxes are SOOOOO much lower. Am I am bad person for trying to survive and not giving the job to someone here in the US?
It's called survival for me as a small business. I can keep more of what I earn, whereas the US government wants almost 50% of my earnings. Can you blame me?

"angry black man on the attack... no that won't scare white america... smooth move nobama"

Woohho! Comments straight off of KKK supporters pages. HINT TO MCCAIN CHUMPS: Just because Palin runs with bigots like her BFF Mark Chryson hasn't made bigoted attacks acceptable in America.

I ♥ SARAH!

EVEN DEMOCRATS ♥ SARAH!

Great Ad by Obama. Wonder if they considered that McCain has trouble typing due his injuries he sustained as a POW. In fact, multiple liberal press sources, in 2000 before the media turned on McCain, reported that exact fact.

"l. Taxing employers will not increase wages. What it will do is take away money that the business could use for a) hiring more employees and b) buying equipment for employees to operate."

That would be great if they weren't shipping jobs overseas and unemployment weren't skyrocketing under this bush plan of voodoo trickle down crap. The same economic crap McCain hugs to like a life preserver on the Titanic.

angry black man on the attack... no that won't scare white america... smooth move nobama

It won't be four more years of Bush and
hopefully it won't be this Obama who said we had 57 states,did not know that Russia had a veto in the UN Security Council, was against the surge and thinks the president has to call in the Joint Chiefs in order to pull out of Iraq(as commander-in-chief
he does not need their advice on this).

The press would be all over Sara Palin on
these things.

Hi Razorback-

You are asking the questions that should be asked.
l. Taxing employers will not increase wages. What it will do is take away money that the business could use for a) hiring more employees and b) buying equipment for employees to operate. There will also be less money for marketing. If there is less money for marketing, then fewer products will be sold. If fewer products are sold, then wages must be lowered or the employee must be FIRED because there is less income from fewer products being sold.

NEXT: Will taxing businesses that sell to consumers raise prices? Well, think about it....going back the the question just above......now there is less revenue, right? So what that means is there is less income to spend for the business. The government will grow because they now are receiving the extra money. The business can't grow because now the government took away the money.

NEXT; Why Obama will not rescind the Bush tax cuts in a recession. The reasons are many, but the principal one is the Democrat philosophy. Democrats believe that you are too stupid to know what to do with your own money. They think government is smarter so government should take your money and spend it for you. There are many problems with this-first, you are not as stupid as they want you to believe. Second, this country was founded on the idea of smaller government. Right now 1 in 3 people in this country works for the government, whether it is the federal government, the state government, or local or city or county government. Have you ever had to stand in line at the DMV to get your license? Takes a while, right? Have you ever had to figure out your taxes? Takes a while, right? Have you ever tried to explain Medicare to anyone? Takes a while, if not impossible.

Here's an easier way to understand all this: in this world, money flows to where it is treated best. Right now it is flowing out of the United STates because other countries are providing less regulation for businesses. Less red tape, fewer environmental regulations, and on and on. Why should a businesss locate in the United STates when they don't have to be taxed up the butt if they move for example, to Costa Rica? Well, INTEL has done that. And many other companies are moving offshore. This is where the jobs are going. That's another reason our economy is so sucky because the government in the US is making it so hard on business to do businesss.

Tickets to Palin's visit to Colorado this Monday are sold out.

By the way, in consideration of the shrill reaction from the intolerant left, the Democratic Party should consider changing their name to:

The Abortion Party

Posted by: American | September 12, 2008 8:17 PM

We'll charge ours if you'll change yours to

The back ally coathanger abortion liars party

Shame on you girlyboy Obama:

A Barack Obama ad that mocks John McCain for not being able to use a computer and send an e-mail apparently didn't take into account the fact that the Republican presidential nominee can't use a keyboard because of the severe injuries he suffered as a Navy pilot and POW during the Vietnam war.

Yes, let's have Barack get really mad. Then he will remind everyone of an angry black man and McCain wins. You know all those innocent, functional blacks sitting in jails around the country who should be at Harvard instead.Still those brothers scare the hell out of whites, even liberal whites. Except for the masochists.

"That is no longer true.
For sure he is not an expert but his children are quite versed in computers and
so he has excellent teachers."

Are his kids going to teach him about foreign policy? Because John McCain doesn't a clue about that either. It is no wonder he wants to saty in Iraq forever... Then he wouldn't ever have to admit his mistakes pushing to go to Iraq in the days after 911.

Endless republican failure. Yep! America needs 4 more years of bush.

I'm not surprised that the Republicans think Sarah Palin did a good job. They think Bush is doing a good job. We as Americans should know not to expect dissention on things that are blantantly wrong from the Republican party. They are a party of mouth foaming liars who think if they yell garbage louder than the other person with their pressed suits it makes it so. But in November they will understand that the American people don't need anyone to tell them that John McCain is a Republican first and will do and say anything to win this election. In fairness all Palin did was energize the base of the party, which is still not enough to win the election.
Anyone that is considering the position of VP or President of the United States needs to know what the Bush Doctrine is and all the nuances that go with it. I bet OBAMA knows and has a few revisions and nuances of his own. This is the least of the many issues on Foreign policy alone she should be well versed on and this shows she is wholly not prepared or qualified for the position she was nominated for. But, even if she doesn't want to or can't acknowledge this basic fact the American people will let her know in November. It's not up to OBAMA to run his campaign any differently than what got him here and inspired so many Americans and take back OUR government. It's up to the American people to stand up and say ENOUGH!.

OBAMA-BIDEN '08

About McCains ability(or inability) to use
the Internet. That is no longer true.
For sure he is not an expert but his children are quite versed in computers and
so he has excellent teachers. I also saw a
recent photo showing McCain using a cell phone. What people need to take note of is that to become a military pilot, you have to take courses in mathematics
and engineering which would provide a
challenge to many of McCains critics.

"Why is it that the Dems have to bad mouth McCain because he can't use a computer or do e-mail. They are such A holes."

Why is it that the GOP has to bad mouth everyone that points out the complete failure of the last 8 years and doesn't want to see it continue? McCain was the best of the worst the republican party had to offer this year... And that is pretty sad.

Aggressive tone won't work. He's still the same guy who hangs around with Chicago street thugs. You'll know a person by the friends he keeps. Geez he's married to that angry scowling puss, Michelle and is buds with that creep Wm Wright, and plans his campaign with Wm Ayers and is buds with Tony Rezco convicted felon, takes money from Hezbollah, has his yard next to his house "paid for" by Rony Rezco, raised money for those creeps in ACORN, has only BEEN A SENATOR FOR FOUR MONTHS----vomit

Why is it that the Dems have to bad mouth McCain because he can't use a computer or do e-mail. They are such A holes. Don't they realize that this man so was badly tortured that he can not even comb his hair, tie his own shoes, among other things that we can't even comprehend. I didn't realize to be president you had to know how to use a computer. I guess it is more important for someone to vote PRESENT instead of YES OR NO on legislature (Illinois) on certain bills. I guess he didn't understand that a YES OR NO NEEDS TO BE THE ANSWER.... NOT PRESENT. I guess PRESENT would suffice on a very, very, very, very important traumatic happening if it would happen to our country, huh???
Boy is this man an elitist or WHAT and has no FRICKEN idea what he would do in a catastrophe. GOD HELP US..... But I guess when he opens his e-mail "lights will flash and fireworks will go off" and he will know what to do. But then he may have to think about PRESENT. WOW WHAT A FAKE.

Failed republican government produces nothing of use to the average American. But when you want to drown government in a bathtub it is understandable why the GOP would fail. Put competent leaders in, like Bill Clinton was, and the wow! All of the sudden it works and republicans have no bad government to whine about. Barack is the next guy that will make your ideology look even more of a failure.

We have already seen "executive failure" of epic proportions from Bush... We need someone that not only understands the issues but can act on them competently... McCain is not that someone.

Bush is following Barracks lead on foreign policy now... Witness the timelines for Iraq withdrawal. And McCain isn't even man enough to admit how wrong he has been.

When it comes to basic economics, goverment turns everything on its ear.

It produces nothing. It does provide some necessary services for sure. Unlike
private industry services,however, there is no competition. So there is no
economic referendum which would demonstrate(and kill off) whatever
services are the least needed or no longer justified or necessary.

There is also the problem of waste and inefficiency. All these things
can only be addressed by putting constraints on governmnet income(taxes)
and through legislation, eliminating or reducing unneeded programs and thereby feeding
capital to the private sector.

We are spending $500-600 billion
each and every year on the Depts. of Energy
and Education combined. Are we getting out money's worth? I don't think so.

One example is post-high school education. There is a legitimate need.
However, in large part because of government largesse we are
allowing students to access to higher education who couldn't even
get into college in most other industrialized(and even third world) countries.
And there is evidence that because of government policies, some of
our best and brightest students are not getting the kind of challenging education
in high school that they need.

Government has grown to be such a large sector of the economy that it is
a balancing act to get it under control. The beast has to be tamed,though.

And this says nothing about corruption.

I don't see Obama as the answer here.

It is a shame how we have got to this point. We will lose the whitehouse again because we keep trying to shove the too liberal candidates down the nation's throat. Hillary was without a doubt the best of the bunch. The left wing pushed this in-experienced and too young man, who ,for whatever reason could have sown up the election with Hillary as VP. I am thinking of going independent! Shame!

Since BHO has never been in the military, fired a weapon or dropped a bomb, he can't be CiC?

(If McCain is disqualified because he doesn't email? I bet McCain can 'tap' quite well.)

Many executives I have known have someone sort out important emails and print them for review. Much more efficient than wasting time on line.

Sarah Palin channels a lot of Dick Cheney, so I understand the reaction of some Democrats. However, putting her in the White House seems an odd way to display their antipathy.

Sarah draws her political strength from these attacks. All she can do is counter-punch. Ignore her. Even if she does get run through the wringer and comes out the other side looking awful, you still have to make the case she looks so bad you can't vote for McCain. Look at the unfavorable ratings for Quayle in 1988 and Cheney in 2004 -- neither one kept their boss out of the White House.

McCain is Bush. That was always the road to the White House, and it remains the road to the White House.

Good lord, this country needs beeter leaders than what the republicans offer. Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan summed up the McCain campaign platform a while back:

BUCHANAN:Here’s a guy, basically, what does he say? The jobs are never coming back, the illegals are never going home, but we’re gonna have a lot more wars.

SCARBOROUGH: We’re gonna start a lot of wars! He has promised, for the record Keith, John McCain’s platform — and it certainly looks inviting for the fall — he has promised less jobs and more wars. Now that’s something we can all rally behind.

The only thing that could make this worse is if Palin had to take over from McCain... Then it would be "less jobs, more war and a free coat hangar for your back alley abortion."

I trust a black man like Obama to look after American workers more than McCain. Blacks are usually the last to be hired so they understand the need for job growth in America, unlike McCain.

McCain has no interest in economics or trade. His economic policy is controlled by business elites who have no loyalty to this country. He probably does not even realize what he is doing. He is like Ulysses Grant, the President who let business take over the government. He and his Beverly Hills Barbie Doll wife do not care about average Americans.

Sounds like another broken promise by Obama. Whatever happened to running a different kind of campaign? I have been a democrat for my whole life. Not anymore. It has been a rude awakening to see how many women haters exist in the party. I was totally shocked and disappointed, until I hung up my democratic registration and changed to an independent. I will be voting for Nader. Senator Obama said he did not want my vote when he chose Biden over the more qualified and desired Clinton. Well if women are not good enough for the White House, then he certainly is far too good to have our vote. To date, I have convinced 28 loyal democrats to show their dissatisfaction with the party by not voting democratic is this election. I must say after serving this party as a vounteer, preceint captain, permanent chair and delegate, I am just as proud of the work I am doing to help Obama lose, as I was of the work I did to help Clinton win. Let the media, Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean know that it is not okay wih us, if they pick our nominee. The voters would still like that choice. Vote McCain, Nader, Barr or anyone except Obama.

The ad ridiculing McCain's lack of computer skills seems prone to backfire badly. As other people have pointed out, McCain's disabilities apparently making typing difficult. It's not wise to pick on a disabled veteran. That generates instant empathy for the target. Additionally, there are quite a few of the voters that don't use computers that might take offense at the ad. Of these, the senior citizens vote enmasse. My guess is that he alienated quite a few of them.

I assume the blog proprietor means Obama's "aggressive" tone in comparison with McCain's "gentle and measured" tone. Right?

My guess to that is that it doesn't much matter what Obama does. He's done everything asked of him. He's made his case. Yet, everything that makes him admirable or possessed of leadership qualities is presented in the mainstream media as some kind of failure to "reach" "values" "voters". In a campaign in which a lovely, dignified, spouse like Michelle Obama is a LIABILITY because she went to Princeton and Harvard Law, no common sense applies. If you were to design kind of an ideal American wholesome family of high achievers and standards you could not do much better than the Obamas. I didn't judge Bill Clinton for his excesses and I don't judge the McCains or Palins for theirs either, but how mainstream reporters from mainstream sources continue to parrot the line that somehow the McCains and Palins represent moral rectitude while the Obamas represent "elitism" at best, "treason" at worst is really beyond me.

I know that Chris knows better. I know that all of the mainstream journalists know better. My question is "WHY?" What's the hustle here? What personal advantage do they gain by reporting this way? It can't be the money. I'm sure a dude like Wolf Blitzer or a woman like Campbell Brown make good money, but gee whiz there are 25 year old kids who can multi-table at internet poker and make 10x what Blitzer makes. Any trader on a prop desk at any bank in the world makes a lot more than Blitzer or John King. It's not the "fame." I've seen the commercials between CNN and Sunday Chat Show segments. They're all for end-of-life medications and laxatives. It's not like Blitzer and King are George Clooney and Will Smith or Campbell Brown is Jennifer Lopez or something. It's not for "dignity" because even CNN and the chat shows are less serious than fluffy entertainment shows in every other Western nations. It's certainly not for the sake of the betterment of journalism. It's not for partisanship because they could do better financially doing the same drill for McCain and Palin at Burson-Marsteller or Hill & Knowlton or with that woman who reps Tom Cruise, Pat something or other. It's certainly not for the sex. Everybody's knocking themselves out with internet dating in the US and other countries are much more relaxed about it anyway.

So, why have they wasted their education and half their lives for the privilege to tell lies and create themes in support of Republican excesses in economic policy, foreign policy and Theocratic Authoritarianism?

The Pat Robertson soul-saving dodge I understand. Lots of loot and no taxes and you're selling a drug that's better than cigarettes or heroin: ETERNAL LIFE.

But what are these "responsible" journalists wasting their time with this for? Christ, I'm not a rich guy and I'm LATINO and I'm sure my child support payments are twice what Chris Cillizza makes in a year.

I'd only do that job if I could write something different or just something that made a kind of global sense. I'd want a work product I could be proud of if I were toiling for chickenfeed.

My conclusion: THE MSM ARE TRUE BELIEVERS, MCCAIN/PALIN PRO WAR, ANTI FREEDOM, JINGOISTIC ZEALOTS. And this is a mission of some kind.

To: Barack H. Obama
From: AsperGirl
Date: 09/12/08
CC: Michelle Obama
Subj: re: EMAIL TO BARACK OBAMA ET AL

GO BACK TO SOUTHSIDE CHICAGO YOU SEXIST PIG!!!

/>>"You can put, uh, lipstick on a pig.
/>>It's still a pig. (cheers) You know, you
/>>can, uh, you know, you can, uh, you
/>>-- you -- you can wrap an old fish in
/>>a -- in a piece of paper and call it
/>>change, it's still going to stink after
/>>eight years"

Obama's and the DNC's aggression continues to misfire. Now Obama and the Dems are showing real class with their lastest ad attacking McCain. Did any of them think to ask why McCain doesn’t use a computer? According several sources (here’s one):

From the Boston Globe (March 4, 2000):

McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes.

Nice going Obama guys. A real class act. When are we going to have enough of these guys?

anomynous you are an idiot!!!!!

>>Royal James wrote: "Aggressive????? What's aggressive about attacking McCain because he doesn't use a computer? Or doesn't send email? Hello... the President of the United States has staff who can do those things. If that's the best O can come up with, it's pretty pathetic."

It's not "aggressive" or "issues focus". It's just shallow, bigoted, mean, condescending junk. It's not funny, just a sneer.

Obama talks like a professor, but (Bill Clinton was right) he has the instincts of a Chicago street thug.

He has a trashy, bigoted mind with the affectations of elitism.

What pig in lipstick stinks like an old fish, Obama? Isn't that mixing two weirdly disjoint metaphors, pigs & fish?

Why didn't you pick Clinton as VP when anyone with half a brain knew you had to, to win?

What a trashy-gaffe machine.

Obama went to ivy leagues for a few years decades ago. For the past 20 years he's been sitting in the pews of the ghetto rant, bigoted Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity Church. That's where he gets his ideas about America's intangible qualities from & his social programming.

What a trashy bigot.

What kind of presidential candidate gives an opponent a "face scratch finger"? How presidential is that?

The democrats walked into it eyes wide open.

"If McCain could use his hands to cheat on his first wife, he can definitely find time to use a computer.

For the slow of thinking:

"McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes."

- Boston Globe, 3/4/2000

"The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop."

- Forbes Magazine, 05/29/2000

"Considering the Obama camp used McCain's lack of computer use without knowing (or despite knowing) that he doesn't use a computer because he can't type due to injuries sustained while a POW in Hanoi, I think they are off to a smashing start.

What tools."

This is BS. If McCain could use his hands to cheat on his first wife, he can definitely find time to use a computer. His injuries do not prevent him from typing on a computer. He's not an invalid!

So Obama tries to attack McCain over his failure to use email, and instead looks vicious for taunting a veteran over his war wounds and at the same time reminds voters that McCain is a war hero.

Go Obama!

Scratch that... cheers to the first comment on this page.

Desperate times bring out desperate republicans.

Cheers to that last comment. If McCain/Palin win in November, those "Americans" who voted for them will deserve the America in ruins that will be left behind. But why do you have to take the rest of us into the abyss with you? Wake up! How many people were kicking themselves in the ass after voting for Bush the second time? Why would you want make the same mistake again?

Boston Globe (March 4, 2000):
"McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes."

Obama's latest ad "Still" mocks McCain for not using a computer or email.

What character! What judgment!

Go back to your South Side ghetto rant church sexist pig!
Go back to your South Side ghetto rant church sexist pig!
Go back to your South Side ghetto rant church sexist pig!
Go back to your South Side ghetto rant church sexist pig!

The only pig on a national ticket is the sexist pig Barack Obama!
The only pig on a national ticket is the sexist pig Barack Obama!
The only pig on a national ticket is the sexist pig Barack Obama!
The only pig on a national ticket is the sexist pig Barack Obama!

Nice "issues" ad mocking McCain's age, bigot!
Nice "issues" ad mocking McCain's age, bigot!
Nice "issues" ad mocking McCain's age, bigot!
Nice "issues" ad mocking McCain's age, bigot!

Axelrod is starting to look like AxelRove.

If a person doesn't believe in evolution, then s/he is not qualified to be president because either s/he's too uneducated or too close-minded. I'm sure some people who can't respond rationally will call this "elitist", but there's nothing wrong with requiring the president to be able to see the truth when the evidence is overwhelming.

Does Obama really appreciate all the support Chris has given him over the past two months? I hope so. Chris had had a future as a journalist before becoming an embedded Obama staffer at the Post, but that's clearly not going to happen.

As far as the Democratic base hating Sarah Palin - well if Hillary ride-her-husband's-sticky-coattails-into-success Clinton is the Democrat's model for a successful woman, they are a sad lot. Sarah is a strong woman with views that didn't come from a poll. She built herself into her career - it wasn't handed to her by her husband. And she doesn't give a rip what you think about that.

McCain and email

This one is going to blow up in Obama's face.

"McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes."

- Boston Globe, 3/4/2000

"The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop."

- Forbes Magazine, 05/29/2000

Has Obama picked a VP yet? I've been looking everywhere but I can't find any reference to Obama's VP pick. When will he choose his running mate? I'm interested to know who it will be.

Aggressive????? What's aggressive about attacking McCain because he doesn't use a computer? Or doesn't send email? Hello... the President of the United States has staff who can do those things. If that's the best O can come up with, it's pretty pathetic.

Does MSNBC have any corporate guidance?

How long will they continue to support a group of commentators that have no ratings.

In real life, non supported george soros life, people get fired for lack of ability and incompetence.

It's just a matter of time.

Joe Biden realesed his tax returns today.

10 yr income average $300,000

10 yr average charity gifts $360/yr

equates to 1/10 of one percent of his income.

This dufus wants to talk about helping the less fortunate. It starts at home Joe.

Do as I say. Not as I do.

What a hippocrit.

You Libs, go check out McCains( not his wifes, McCains gifts.

what an idiot.

at least he is better than Al Gore who averages $200.

Impressive.

Posted by: dano | September 12, 2008 8:58 PM

This is the guy we the Dems want to turn spenging appropriations over to?

His net worth is 300k, and he's made over 300k a year?

Looks like he does not know how to manage his own checkbook and he wants the Country's checkbook?

God save us.

BLAH BLAH BLAH HOPE CHANGE HOPE CHANGE HOPE CHANGE BLAH BLAH

Oh no! Eclipsed by a more inspiring star!

BLAH BLAG BLAH PONTIUS PILATE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER BLAH BLAH BLAH

Let's talk about issues! Starting Now!

BLAH BLAH BLAH COMPUTER LITERATE EMAIL AGEISM BLAH BLAH BLAH

So goes the campaign of the man who has no substance to offer.

I don't want to pay my mortgage or student loans. Just because I borrowed money doesn't mean I should have to pay it back. Its not fair. I want Obama to give me everything so I don't have to do anything. Why should I pay for my own health care when Obama will make YOU pay for it?? Ha ha, suckers.

Men will vote for Sarah Palin in droves.

Joe Biden realesed his tax returns today.

10 yr income average $300,000

10 yr average charity gifts $360/yr

equates to 1/10 of one percent of his income.

This dufus wants to talk about helping the less fortunate. It starts at home Joe.

Do as I say. Not as I do.

What a hippocrit.

You Libs, go check out McCains( not his wifes, McCains gifts.

what an idiot.

at least he is better than Al Gore who averages $200.

Impressive.

THE MEDIA THINKS IT'S SO COOL TO PICK ON PALIN'S RELIGION
WHY IGNORE ALL THOSE OBAMA RELIGIOUS GAFFE'S??

OBAMA BLOOPERS IN WHCH HE TALKS LIKE A MUSLIM

Obama is known for always speaking very carefully & precisely (it's his gift). Except when he's talking about his religion or when he's making "Muslim bloopers".

:: BARACK OBAMA: "MY MUSLIM FAITH" ::

In an interview of Obama on September 7, George Stephanopolous asked Obama about his accusations that the McCain campaign are going to accuse him of being Muslim. Obama goes into a 2 minute answer that includes the blooper "my Muslim faith".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUYHFlGb2Ng&feature=iv

At minute 1:34 Stephanopolous asks Obama about why he makes accusations that the McCain campaign is going to accuse him of being Muslim, when the McCain has condemned people making those accusations.

At minute 2:49 Obama says: "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith."

George Stephanopolous steps in and corrects him to say "Christian faith" and then Obama agrees and says "Christian faith". But then what Obama was going to say doesn't make sense anymore because that would be, "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Christian faith."

Obama then has to spend the next 15 seconds regrouping to make a point ("John McCain has not suggested I was a Muslim.")

:: OBAMA THINKS THE U.S. HAS "57 STATES" ::

You can watch Obama's statement that he's visited "57 states".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

This is no joke, he really said this. This was no "slip", he pauses & thinks about it!

What American would forget that? And why would he pick the number "57" out of the air?

Everyone knows that we have 50 states. But there is a union that has 57 states in it: the nation of Islam. The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It has 57 Islamic member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkan, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America.

This is kind of an important slip coming from a candidate who is African-Arab by racial heritage, Muslim by birth who claims to now be Christian, who was raised abroad in an Islamic state (Indonesia) with a Muslim stepfather, who traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian-citizenship passport at age 20 when he was supposed to be a U.S. citizen and Americans weren't supposed to go to Pakistan, who belonged for 20 years to a Church that publishes pro-Hamas material and whose leadership has close ties to the Nation of Islam, and who has been endorsed by Hamas.

:: TOO-LONG, BABBLE-ANSWER ON THE QUESTION WHAT IS THE MEANING OF JESUS IN HIS LIFE ::

You can also watch Barack Obama's too-long, wandering, lame response to the question: what is the meaning of Jesus in his life. He starts kind of okay with a trite answer, but then gets lost and stops making sense until he ends up claiming that Jesus makes him try new things like running for President after Rev. Warren starts making noises that signal to Obama he needs to cut it off.

http://www.youtube.com/v/gHtAWPjzvyk&rel=0&color1=11645361&color2=13619151&fs=1

Afterward, Obama declares that was a tough question, whereon Rev. Warren says, "Oh no, that was a freebie, a gimme."

Dave,
Sorry, our top community organizer, Senator Barack Obama, is busy getting ready to be sworn in as the next President of the United States, but could I recommend a former mayor with less experience and even less scruples? (Of course I mean Palin, though I understand completely if you thought of Gulianni too when I said the scruples part).

Obama: Vote for me because I know how to use a computer!! I can send emails!!! See, aren't I smart?!?!? I didn't realize Obama was an expert computer programmer. What a freakin joke this guy is. This just reinforces the notion that he is an elitist snob who looks down on people.

Actually, the RCP average has Barrack Obama ahead by only one vote in the electoral college numbers.

That's only one vote ahead and that's despite having the biased media in the tank for Obama since 2004.

He's only ahead by 2.3% in Pennsylvania which again is "nothing to crow about."

McCain is pulling ahead in Ohio. He's also *sustained* a post convention lead nationwide for a far longer time period than Barrack Obama.

Yeah Mae!

Somebody help me please!! The "community organizer" for my neighborhood is out of town and we have no one to organize us. How can we go on without our "community organizer?" My neighborhood is completely disorganized now that we don't have our "community organizer" to guide us. Are there any communities out there who have a spare "community organizer" that we could borrow?

So Obama wants to fight back, as if he hasn't been trying. The man who claims words are really important and had promised not to run a negative is once again chaning his own words. Either he is a liar or too naive to be in politics. Either way, not ready to be president. Obama had once claimed he will not let Washington change him, but by going negative Washington has changed Obama even before he has gotten there.

Everyone should just calm down! Trust the Obama team to know what they are doing! Barack is ahead in the Electoral College right now, and these so-called "polls" do not take into account Barack's magnificent ground game that way out ways McCain's. These polls do not take into account all of the new voters that will be voting for Barack (more African-Americans voting, more young people under-30 voting, and more people of all different types voting who have either never voted before, or did not vote in the last two elections)!

Most predictions are that despite the Republican Noise Machine, Barack will more than likely win the Electoral College by 322 points (he only needs 270 to win)! And, because of all of the new voters, he will win the popular vote as well!

who are u to judge that Chris ?

"...Sarah Palin is an elected governor, a native of her state (unlike Obama), and she has the highest approval ratings of any governor in America.
Posted by: Dave | September 12, 2008 8:22 PM"

I'm sorry 'Dave', I didn't know that in 21st century America citizens from OTHER STATES or considered somehow foreign.

And is it a coincidence that she's popular in the FOURTH SMALLEST state in the country with a population the size of the city of Austin TX. I don't think so.

I can imagine that after this campaign her start will be much diminished in Alaska.

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Considering the Obama camp used McCain's lack of computer use without knowing (or despite knowing) that he doesn't use a computer because he can't type due to injuries sustained while a POW in Hanoi, I think they are off to a smashing start.

What tools.

Palin is fading, and Repub bloggers are on the run:
http://soonerthought.blogspot.com/2008/09/repub-bloggers-are-on-run.html

McCain's recent attacks have been untruthful and unfair.

But Obama isn't exactly innocent himself.

Remember the "100 years" ad? Remember the phony outrage over various "racist" statements made by the Clintons?

The Sarah Palin pick caught Barack Obama completely off guard. After a very successful DNC, it got him off message.

With perfect 20/20 hindsight, the Palin pick would have been the perfect opportunity for a "Sistah Souljah" moment. Obama should have congratulated Gov. Palin and denounced the left wing rumormongers and those who distorted record. Then he should have made the case about why the Republican ticket is wrong for America.

Which is actually a lot like what Hillary Clinton did.

The problem is that Obama can't do that. Despite all the talk and all the rhetoric, Obama is just another politician, and a very left wing one at that.

Think you know Palin?

http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/510378.html

they are off to good start the reason mcCain does not use a computer is because
the cong beat him so bad he cant use a keyboard

Iran’s leadership has expressed “great pleasure” at the prospect of a Barack Obama victory in November, according to Menashe Amir, the Iranian-born head of Radio Israel’s Persian language service. “One of the Iranian religious leaders said if Obama will enter the White House, then Islam will conquer the heart of the American nation,” Amir told Isracast.com. The Iranian leadership likes Obama “mainly because he is a Muslim,” according to Amir. His first name, Barack, comes from “al-baraq,” which is the name of the horse that Muslims believe Muhammad rode on his way to paradise.

Republicans everywhere should be scared...real scared.
The media is all over Obama's promise to fight fire with fire. You guys wanted to take this election away from the issues? This is a bad day for you my friends. A bad day indeed.
Your little darling won't be getting all the attention anymore.
Oh! Can I have my Obama doll complete with Harvard Law Degree overnighted please? I have my Democratic White House all set up and ready.

Look, all these questions about Palin are ridiculous. McCain clearly stated over and over again that he'd pick the person who was most qualified and ready to step in and be commander in chief on day 1 if need be. He picked Palin. Therrefore she is the most qualified and ready to step in.

That's simple logic and anyone who claims she's not qualified is therefore being illogical.

The Boston Herald thinks the Dems are catching something called PDS

Palin Derangement Syndrome. I'm going to post that one on my blog for the world to see.

Pontius Pilate was not a governor - his title was Preconsul. This is perhaps the dumbest analogy that the Democrats have ever come up with. So are all state governors evil? He was appointed by a dictator to rule over a foreign territory. Sarah Palin is an elected governor, a native of her state (unlike Obama), and she has the highest approval ratings of any governor in America.

btw - i saw a comment on abortion and i have to say i am VERY pro abortion for lefties. seriously. PRO abortion. use your pro choice position and take that stand lefties seem to admire so and appreciate. go for it!

but i'm pro-life for those on the right.

this gay man is a bridge builder, for sure!

and a BIG Sarah Palin fan!

Re: Posted by: Midwest Moms for Obama | September 12, 2008 7:19 PM

95% - and you believe it.. how much is he really cutting....Did you ask him the amount... because if he reduces it bay .001% -- it's still a tax cut to you...

You libs will fall for a wolf in sheeps clothing...

Obama will sell all of you out... He sold out his minister of 20 years for his own career - and all you Obaminites are just part of his cult.

While he's rubbing elbows with Hollywood - you'll still be complaining about GAS...

aggressive tone?

oh yeah, he'll now be aggressive with sarah palin -- who will eventually kick his pathetic derriere! -- but diplomatic with iran, etc.

this guy is so silly, it's amazing he can garner 10% of the vote, much less 40%!

you can only explain it with government, dumbed-down education! yay, have some kool-aid and a piece of government cheese and vote obama. so inspiring. this guy is a joke!

Tickets to Palin's visit to Colorado this Monday are sold out.

By the way, in consideration of the shrill reaction from the intolerant left, the Democratic Party should consider changing their name to:

The Abortion Party

Poor Obama. His coronation has been derailed by Sarah Palin. I bet this really makes him mad. He might get depressed and start snorting cocaine again. McCain/Palin have a nice little lead in the polls now. Here's hoping it grows.

It's too late, Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh_ipqk6dj4

"I thought Obama was going to implement a "new kind of politics."

Well, Dave, do you got any proof that he isn't living up to this?

"White woman are abandoning Obama in droves. Obama wants to know..."Where's all the white women at?"

Again, not true. The lastest SAP/Ipsos poll has Obama with a 17 point lead among women.

Can't you guys get anything right?

I thought Obama was going to implement a "new kind of politics." I thought he represented the "post-partisan" age. I he represents neither of these, then what is the basis of his campaign?

I must agree with Dick Turban: "we won't live with it!"

No, being locked up in the sanitarium when he and the rest of these demon-possesed, maniacal, religious bigots lose once again will be final, and a life not worth living anymore.

Like the bible says, "Judas went out and hung himself" (and to use the party's exegetical skills and style, it also says)
"go and do likewise"...(:~))

Aspergirl (read: GOP Hack troll):

If I were Obaman, I would play up the age thing too. It's fair game. Fact is, everytime John McCain shuffles across the stage I think I'm looking at a ghost.

Face it, he's not going to make it four years.

In fact, if I were advising Obama, I'd make sure that he sits right next to McCain during the debates so that people could see how frail McCains is. In the day and age of HDTV, it would be the equivalent of the Kennedy-Nixon debates, with the Dem coming out on top again.

White woman are abandoning Obama in droves. Obama wants to know..."Where's all the white women at?"

THE FALSE FRAMING:

Attacks are referred to as "counterattacks" "striking back" at "GOP attacks"

THE TRUTH:

Obama's in attack mode to hurt McCain's lead after McCain made a more successful VP pick & better convention bump

THE FALSE FRAMING:

"Enough is enough" with the personality & character campaigns we're going to drive hard on issues the right fears discussing

THE TRUTH

Belittling John McCain on his age, in an ad depicting him as computer illiterate & as a relic of the disco age, is how Democrat Barack Obama pushed his campaign Friday "on the issues that matter".

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/12/ad-hawk-obama-plays-the-age-card-again.aspx

THE FALSE FRAMING:

Attacks are referred to as "counterattacks" "striking back" at "GOP attacks"

THE TRUTH:

Obama's in attack mode to hurt McCain's lead after McCain made a more successful VP pick & better convention bump

THE FALSE FRAMING:

"Enough is enough" with the personality & character campaigns we're going to drive hard on issues the right fears discussing

THE TRUTH

Belittling John McCain on his age, in an ad depicting him as computer illiterate & as a relic of the disco age, is how Democrat Barack Obama pushed his campaign Friday to a new level of counter-punching "on the issues that matter".

callehttp://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/12/ad-hawk-obama-plays-the-age-card-again.aspx

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

– Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

@ Mike W. That's actually not true. McCain himself has said that he plans to learn how to use a computer. It's just not something he has gotten around to doing. Has nothing to do with war injuries - his hands work just fine.

"The Obama ad knocking John McCain for not using a computer are hideous. Do you know why he can't use a computer? Because the injuries he sustained at the hands of the Viet Cong, - you know the nice folks that lib icon Jane Fonda cozied up to - left him unable to type! Once again HE CAN'T TYPE AS A RESULT OF INJURIES SUFFERED AS A PRISONER OF WAR. Where is the outrage at these mean spirited Obama ads?

That is complete and utter BS. While McCain has limited movement with his arms, his hands are fine, just ask anyone who has shaken hands with him. I live in Arizona and have met and shaken his hand many times (including in the last month).

Good hustle, though. Your lie was almost as good as McCain's have been. And it's people like you, and the sewer rat campaign that's being run that, convinced me to switch my support from McCain to Obaman.

Obama is going to "get bad" and "tough" with the Republicans? Good luck, as the Republicans know how to get down and dirty. One of Obama's strengths is that he is cool, calm and collective. For him to go this route is really not playing "his game". Do I sense a bit of despiration from the Democrats? Hint to the Obama campaign, stay with what been working, and don't try to play your opponent's game, as they are a hell of lot better at it.

Palin's inexperience in foreign relations?

How many heads of state had Obama met with when, after all of two years in the Seante, he announced his candidacy for president? President. Not VP.

How long would Palin have to serve as VP--sitting in on cabinet meetings, attending national security briefing, etc.--before her experience exceeded that of Obama's?

Two months? One?

I guess time will tell I think sometimes you have to get out of your comfort zone and get in their and fight for what you believe in. Senator Obama doesn't have to get in the gutter with McCain but he's got to fight fire with fire. But do in a more intelligent way.

Senator Obama has this under controll it the democrats who seem to be panicing...

Obama/Biden

"As recent polls show a Sarah Palin-driven surge in Senator McCain’s prospects, the Democratic Party and the country in general need to carefully consider the magnitude of what might be at stake in this election. "

Don't let the polls scare you. National polls are not a reflection of where this election actually stands. The statewide polls tell the real story, and through them Obama still holds a commanding lead. In fact, in a poll released yesterday, Obama gained four points in Ohio alone, and the most recent poll in Pennsylvania shows that McCain lost whatever bounce he gained from the convention.

The MSM use the national polls, because it's the only way they can make this seem like a race. The statewide polls tell the electoral college story, and the story of Obama's victory.

4 million foreclosures, rising unemployment (now at 6.1%), lack of affordable health care, declining housing prices, the average American family is worse off today than any other time in the last 8 years, all Mr. Obama has to say to the folks is : "would you like 4 more years after the last 8 years of Republican rule ?, are you better off today than you were 4 years ago or 8 years ago ?, if you like George Bush, you are going to love John McCain, repeat this over and over and over everyday, it is very simple, remind people of their daily struggle and how hard it is to keep up with them bills, how everything seems to cost more every month and the paycheck (for those lucky enough to get one) does not seem to buy as much as it used to, inundate the television with the same theme, day in and day out, make the economic malaise of today, the Willie Horton of 2008 and see how people react. How difficult or hard is that to do ??

If you think you'll be better off because Big Oil is drilling off-shore, you're wearing blinders.

Bush Sr. drove the economy into the pits. Junior has driven the country to the verge of bankruptcy. And you think electing another Republican will put more money in your wallet?

The Obama ad knocking John McCain for not using a computer are hideous. Do you know why he can't use a computer? Because the injuries he sustained at the hands of the Viet Cong, - you know the nice folks that lib icon Jane Fonda cozied up to - left him unable to type! Once again HE CAN'T TYPE AS A RESULT OF INJURIES SUFFERED AS A PRISONER OF WAR. Where is the outrage at these mean spirited Obama ads?

Lets examine the GOP change...

It never ceases to amaze me how philosophers, scholars, and writers in droves write about the current fleecing of our constitution our nation, and of the American middle class.

All the while conservatives continue to flock to right-wing evangelists, tabloid pundits and GOP theology!
After 7 and a half years of GOP subversion what does the nation have to show? An economy in shambles, unfinished wars more on the horizon and debt so enormous China and other foreign countries now own much of our nations remaining equity!

Conservatism is a dismal failure, the proof is in your house equity, your bank accounts, your paycheck, it’s on Wallstreet, its on the shelves of your supermarket, its on the corner gas station, its in job loss,
on the streets and deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan.

It’s in the defiance of the lack of GOP leadership by Pakistan, Russia, Venezuela and now China!

And so the same old personal song and dance about character, vision and dignity plays out across the nation. Remeber this, “Bush has character, he has vision, he is honest, experienced!” We all know the truth of this aberration.

Yet conservatives want to plug in John McCain-the same theology the same ideology from yet another GOP legislator that represents the betrayal, the greed and the duplicity that has buried our nation to this point!

Great nations are upheld and wars are won or lost by the rightness and decency of the participants!
This is virtue that McCain, Palin and the neocons will never understand!

As our nations history goes we have never lost a war when we were right but now we have lost wars because we were ideologically wrong!

It’s not just about strength its about wisdom and justice.
Such American qualities that have been inactive during the past seven plus years due to conservative politics!
The answers are right in front of you, open your eyes and read!

"When it comes to this election there is one issue that affects everyone's wallet or purse AND their vote.
Obama and Biden are against drilling offshore for our own oil.
McCain and Sarah Palin are FOR drilling for offshore oil AND for drilling in Alaska."

I'll be for drilling in those places as soon as the oil companies begin to use their premits to drill on the 68 million acres in the contintental U.S.

I'll be for drilling in those places as soon as 100 percent of the oil coming out of Alaska goes to the U.S. instead of the 80 percent that's ship overseas.

I'll be for drilling in those places as soon as the Governor of Alaska eliminates the taxes on Alaskan oil that we in the lower 48 are forced to pay.

And I'll be willing to drill in all those places as soon as you can prove that it will actually lower the cost of gas by more than two cents, and until you can conclusive prove that said oil can be delivered in less than 10 years.

Until you can do all of that, you're just another pathetic lemming falling into the sea of GOP lies.

It's beautiful. C'mon liberal Democrats, go hard after the GOP VP candidate. That'll show 'em!

This is going to be way too easy.

It is time, Joshua Generation.
Keep courage, intensify your velocity and place your foot on the land and lead the nation to the Promised Land. Change the wrong road to the right direction and keep in mind that the final victory belongs to the new Generation.

Hey,

I may be insane, but I am also registered.

I have all the respect in the world for those who try to apply analysis to the current candidates. However, there is no way there can be any kind of reasonable prognostication that can be trusted.

The president does not do anything about the economy. It is the congress. We have a congress with the lowest approval rating ever.

And yet incumbents are not really threatened.

Electing one person does the trick ?

Hardly.

What if McCain Wins?

As recent polls show a Sarah Palin-driven surge in Senator McCain’s prospects, the Democratic Party and the country in general need to carefully consider the magnitude of what might be at stake in this election. Let’s take a look at an entirely reasonable scenario after a McCain/Palin Win in November.

The Disappearance of Sarah Palin and the Mortality of John McCain

You only have to watch news footage of John McCain waving on the crowd as they cheer for Sarah Palin to see that he’s obviously enthusiastic about the energy that she brings to the campaign — as long as he can keep her on script and away from unsupervised access to the media. But what happens after the election?

The idea put forward by the McCain campaign, that Sarah Palin is going to get on the job training “at the knee of John McCain,” seems remarkably unlikely. President McCain is going to have more important things to do. In addition, Palin’s “rock star” status is going to quickly veer from a big positive to a clear negative once the election is won. What president truly wants a VP that outshines him in the public eye? Wasn’t that likely a reason we don’t now have an Obama/Clinton (with Bill too) ticket?

It’s a good bet that a Vice President Palin will disappear from the public eye very quickly, perhaps to be paraded out occasionally under highly scripted circumstances. In fact, it’s reasonable to assume that McCain himself is aware of Palin’s limitations and plans to revert to an almost a nineteen century model for the office of the Vice President.

All of this is possibly not a complete disaster for the country as long as John McCain is alive and well. While the Democrats have rightly argued that McCain will offer mostly an extension of Bush’s policies, in fact he has shown some independence on issues such as stem cell research and global warming. Most democrats would probably be prepared to make the painful acknowledgment that if we have to have another Republican administration, John McCain is probably the least appalling choice.

What is the risk that McCain will not survive his first term? A look at the actuarial tables shows that the risk is probably at least 30%, especially given his two bouts with skin cancer. McCain often points to his healthy 95 year old mother as evidence of his “good genes.” What he does not talk about is that fact that he has already outlived his father (who died at 70) by two years. In short, the probability that we could have a Palin presidency, perhaps within a relatively short time, is uncomfortably high.

President Palin and the Capability Vacuum

Upon John McCain untimely demise, we would be left with a president who, prior to the election:

* Can count on one hand the number of other countries to which she has traveled.
* Has never met the leader, or even a high official, of a foreign government.
* Is unfamiliar with the language of diplomacy.
* Has probably not met and certainly not had substantive discussions with the leaders of the US congress.
* Shows no evidence of having studied, or indeed even thought deeply about, the major issues facing the country, both foreign and domestic.

The implication of this is clear. While the enormous power that resides in the office of president will remain intact, the capability and judgment to wield that power will in all likelihood be largely absent. Like all vacuums, this absence of capability will be filled rapidly–as it will have to be in order to avoid a national emergency. The question then is who would fill this vacuum?

The easy answer would be to assume that McCain’s advisers will step into this role. While this would surely be true in the short term, history has shown that administrations simply do not survive intact when a president dies in office. Even Ted Sorensen, one of the very closest advisers to John Kennedy, was gone from the Johnson administration within a few months after the assassination.

In the longer term, as President Palin struggles to come to terms with the duties of her office, who would she likely turn to? Who would she trust? The answer seems clear: The previous president and vice president. Keep in mind that Palin, Bush and Cheney are all completely in tune with the beat of the far right Republican party core. John McCain is the outsider, remember? So what would happen if he were suddenly gone? How long would any “maverick” initiatives and policies survive him?

The scenario seems as clear as it is chilling. It is questionable that Sarah Palin would ever really develop the capability to govern as a truly independent president. Instead, she might continue to fulfill the role that she performs so effectively now: scripted engagements with the public while her handlers wield power behind the scenes. There can be little doubt as to who those handlers would be.

The greatest danger now facing the country is that if McCain prevails, the Democratic argument that we will see “four more years of Bush” may not be just political hyperbole–it could easily turn out to be literal fact.

A vote for McCain/Palin could well turn out to LITERALLY be a vote for another Bush/Cheney term.

Will Obama's Aggressive New Tone Work?

John McCain can't use a computer. Aggressive new tone, what a joke. You've got to love it. Obama is completely lost and it will only get worse when he sends Biden out to do his bidding.

Plagarism Joe will be the Rep's best weapon. He's already said that he was not the best qualified for VP, called McCain President McCain, and shouted for a paraplegic to "stand up". He was against the Gulf War but for the Iraq war. Against the Surge but for a withdrawl. Poor guy doesn't get it right very often and he won't start now.

I disagree. I'm part of Obama's base and I really don't care about Palin. She has and will continue to energize the Republican evangelical base, but that isn't what McCain needs in order to win. No facts or debunking are going to sour them on her. Obama needs to be very aggressive on McCain's record. Change? Give me a break. Just exactly what is McCain proposing to do differently our extremely unpopular and incompetent president? Just exactly what is his tax plan and health care plan going to do to make things better for the average person? Hitting these points forcefully, even brutally, will be very effective over time. The smoke and mirrors campaign of McCain can't survive close scrutiny. Forcing them to defend their policies will work, but it simply won't work if done casually and with a smile on your face.

Regardless of what the Obama campaign does, when will the media start asking serious questions of Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin. They apparently have made a choice that facts just don't matter in this race--that they can say whatever they want, whether it is misleading or outright untrue. Haven't we had enough of leaders who lie??

Obama's strength is his ability to inspire in front of huge crowds. He's not doing that. Big mistake.

The latest Rasmussen poll shows McCain and the Alaskan superwom Sarah up by three whereas yesterday, Obama was ahead by one.
Obama talks about McCain smelling like a rotten fish.
The American people have a nose for smelly things and they seem to be rejecting the smell of bias in the media and those nasty, sexist attacks on Sarh Palin.

Wow! I should have read the thread first before I posted previously. I just read the article.

Some nutjob actually compared Obama to TEDDY ROOSEVELDT! I laughed so hard I almost fell out of the chair.

Barak "Can I please finish my waffle - I've answered 8 questions already" Obama ....compared to the Guy who charged up San Juan hill and who said "Speak softly but carry a big stick"

Barack Obama is the least of the four (Obama, Mcain, Biden or Palin)to be anything like that fine American president. And skin color doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. He has no balls. He is gonad challenged. Teddy had balls like grapefruits

To compare Barack Obama to Teddy Rooseveldt in ANY way is to profoundly insult Teddy Rooseveldt.

Another loon keeps coming up with the "Jesus was a community organizer" line.

Jesus didn't belong to ACORN.

Nor did Jesus make any money from what he did. The guy was always in hoc.

Obama was much better at being a community organizer than Jesus. He made a six figure salary as a comunity organizer.

Jesus was a piker. Obama turned community organizing into a paying gig.

Where are the stories about Obama training ACORN, the community organizers connected with voter fraud in multiple states, more specifically in swing states like New Mexico and Virginia? Where is the examination of Obama's misusing $160 million on the Annenberg Challenge with William Ayers for political purposes?

Instead the Post focuses on Palin's rightful pause after a question related to an unpublished/informal Bush Doctrine defined differently by multiple commentators.

Way to go Post.

Where have the Revs Wright, Jackson, and Sharpton been lately. Did the DNC send them out of the country for a vacation until after the election?

This saying going around the Dem circles that “Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor” tells us something about Obamaites. This saying clearly comes from a Black Liberation Theology viewpoint where Jesus is not divine,nor is he a savior, but rather he is a revolutionary, a community organizer, if you will. Couple this with a reference to the Governor Pontius Pilate (representing the white oppressor) and there you have BLT in a nutshell. It’s class warfare where blacks are the victims and whitey is the oppressor. This is the worldview you get when you vote for Obama.

When it comes to this election there is one issue that affects everyone's wallet or purse AND their vote.
Obama and Biden are against drilling offshore for our own oil.
McCain and Sarah Palin are FOR drilling for offshore oil AND for drilling in Alaska.
If the cost of gas is too high for YOU at the pump then McCain/Palin are there to help while Obama and Biden want us to keep depending on oil from places like Saudia Arabia.
Easy choice. Vote for your wallet/purse.

Obama has often quoted the scripture - "Am I my brother's keeper?" Just what has he done for his brother in Kenya who lives on $24/year in a hut? I hope someone asks him this in the debates.

this may sound trivial, but . . . the rolled-up shirt sleeves and tightly clinched tie that you're doing in your community forums REALLY don't work. You don't look cool, you look like a nerd. For quasi-casual settings, you should wear a dress jacket and no tie, and unbutton the top button. You can kill the tie like Kennedy killed the hat, but you need that jacket to fill you out (newsflash: you're skinny.) THAT would look cool. (Oh, and I like your economic program)

ADVISE TO SEN. OBAMA:

PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN GLASS HOUSE SHOULD NOT THROW ROCKS AT THIER NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

Dan Cohen wrote a great article on Real Clear Politics (available 9/9/08) essentially about the inadequacy of Obama’s temperament for winning the election he’s too cool, he lacks fight, we don’t know what drives him.

This article raises two questions. The first is what can be called the No Drama Obama inconsistency. As a man obviously extremely gifted in raising the emotions of millions of people literally across the globe, it is completely baffling that his campaign’s cornerstone is the absence of emotion. It gives off a whiff of insincerity.

The second question is: how can we find out what matters to him if his emotions don’t give us an answer? Just why does he want to be the President? As Cohen asks, what above all does he care about? Does he care if his vision of a better America is threatened by the other side’s true threat to his candidacy?

As a supporter (phone banking, rallies, contribution, outdoor events, blogging) I am actually embarrassed to report that it took me a couple of minutes to come up with the answer: bringing American’s together – red states and blue states - to fix big problems including Iraq, climate change and healthcare. Kind of Pied Piper stuff but it works for me (Although McCain’s got a better record on some key issues). I prefer to put my life and my country in the hands of smart people who are not subject to flights of anger - like a good Southwest Airlines pilot.

Fine, nice goals, but why bother going through this nightmare of an election if you show no emotions about the outcome or threats to the achievement of your vision? Hillary showed how much she cared about healthcare reform and she jumped down Barack’s throat after a successful attack on her plan. Where’s the evidence that Barack really cares a whit about the disintegration of America or American politics and the threats to peace and prosperity that arise under it? Was Iraq just bad judgment or a Bushean wargasm, that has set back our foreign policy agenda for half a millennia?

So, Barack, why should I care if American’s vote for Grampa and Louise and bomb the wrong country a couple of times because neither of them have ever touched an atlas? Tell me, Obama, why should I care if you don’t? It’s time for some drama.

The nerve of Pontius Palin! Has she learned nothing from Uncle Clarence?

The pedigreed pundits and politicians do not look favorably on "We" the people electing one of "us" to office. Oh, a harmless hayseed every now and then is good for joke or two.

However, clearly there are certain things that will NOT be tolerated. It's the 11th commandment, STUPID.

"Though shalt not be conservative unless rich, white and male."

The only thing hated as much as a black conservative is a Christian woman who refuses to accept that NOW and NARAL set the "women's agenda" and develop the approved list women's issues from which us girls are not to stray.

Let the tar and feathering begin. Let the chosen one join the sport and lead the villagers against this vile enemy who would dare challenge the ruling class and dim his spotlight. Afterall, Andrea Mitchell, Campbell Brown and Daily Kos bloggers shouldn't have all the fun to themselves.

if obama has to come up with a strategy, he has already lost...

waaaa waaa waaa Obama is so mean when he insulted Palin. Not, cry me some more tears you stupid GOP lovers...

If you read the foreign press, the American press is a biased joke in this election. How can this country criticize Putin's sovietization of the Russian press when our own press is so biased?
Obama's connections to his convicted for corruption "manipulator" friend Rezco, who financed Obama's house, are never mentioned let alone investigated.
The fact that the terrorist Bill Ayers is a supporter of Obama's and has had fund raisers at his house for Obama which were attended by the presidential candidate are never investigated let alone investigated.
The foreign press and media are right, the American media ARE a joke. It's fortunate that the American people are seeing through the biased nonsense that permeates the networks and the polls show that they are swinging to McCain and the superwoman from the north.

If you want:

- Your house to sit on the market for another year listed at half of what you paid for it, while you hold your unemployment check in one hand and a stack of overdue bills in the other - you can vote for John McCain!

- To be afraid that any day your boss will come in to your or your husband's office and tell you it's your last day - you can vote for John McCain

- 4...4...4...more years with a leader who did not cross party lines when he voted over 90% of the time with our current, failed administration - you can vote for John McCain!

- To know what it is really like to live through a national depression - vote for John McCain!

But if you want:
- A tax cut for yourself and 95%...95%...95% of ALL Americans -
you want to vote for Barack Obama

- Affordable health care and prescription drugs that will be cheap enough to prevent disease before it strikes -
you want to vote for Barack Obama

- To be able to send your children to college without being too poor to retire -
you want to vote for Barack Obama

- Our sons and daughters to come home from harms way in Iraq and our focus to return to the threat of terror in Pakistan, with a pro-active, watchful eye on Iran -
you want to vote for Barack Obama

- A nation who can maintain their status as leaders of the free world by rebuilding the trust of their allies -
you want to vote for Barack Obama

- Revitalization of a nation to serve our country by helping our children develop a compassion to serve in all sectors at a young age -
you want to vote for Barack Obama

- American companies to hire American workers and manufacture products that can be proudly stamped, "Made in the USA" -
you want to vote for Barack Obama

- Energy that will not reduce, but ELIMINATE our need for foreign oil -
you want to vote for Barack Obama

- An Energy plan that will not compete with Canada for a pipeline job or destroy our national parks, but will utilize all the clean, natural resources of crops, sun and wind and everything else we find in our great Mid-Western States -
you want to vote for Barack Obama
you want to vote for Barack Obama
you want to vote for Barack Obama!

supports drilling her daughter....

as long as she gets paid...for it.

.

want to make some big headlines????

sue the rethuglicans for fraud, disinformation and purposefully posting and advertising so as to

DEFRAUD the AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC...

they _ARE_ SELLING A PRODUCT, they can be found guilty of criminal, and civil as well as FEDERAL MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS in order to control resources...monetary gain....

it's a verifiable fact, and it's a crime.

.SUE THEM.

.

Blizzard of Lies, By PAUL KRUGMAN, September 11, 2008

Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, “Thanks, but no thanks” when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.

"...our system continues to reward false statements and outright lies with a winning campaign..."

Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 — my first year at The Times — trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign’s claims about taxes, spending and Social Security.

But I can’t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign’s lies in 2000 were artful — you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.

Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn’t say “no thanks” — she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would “not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative.”

Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn’t righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere.

So the whole story of Ms. Palin’s alleged heroic stand against wasteful spending is fiction.

Or take the story of Mr. Obama’s alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for “age and developmentally appropriate education”; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators.

And then there’s the claim that Mr. Obama’s use of the ordinary metaphor “putting lipstick on a pig” was a sexist smear, and on and on.

Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they’re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being “balanced” at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn’t say that he’s wrong, it reports that “some Democrats say” that he’s wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty.

They’re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being “McCain campaign lies,” it becomes “Obama on defensive in face of attacks.”

Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign’s lies? I mean, politics ain’t beanbag, and all that.

One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues — on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years.

But there’s another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern.

I’m not talking about the theory, often advanced as a defense of horse-race political reporting, that the skills needed to run a winning campaign are the same as those needed to run the country. The contrast between the Bush political team’s ruthless effectiveness and the heckuva job done by the Bush administration is living, breathing, bumbling, and, in the case of the emerging Interior Department scandal, coke-snorting and bed-hopping proof to the contrary.

I’m talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early suspicion that we were being misled about the threat from Iraq came from the way the political tactics being used to sell the war resembled the tactics that had earlier been used to sell the Bush tax cuts.

And now the team that hopes to form the next administration is running a campaign that makes Bush-Cheney 2000 look like something out of a civics class. What does that say about how that team would run the country?

What it says, I’d argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse.

Posted by: your betters....

bias, very bias, bias, very bias, bias

nbc, cnn, cbs, msnbc, bias

print media - even more so

want to make some big headlines????

sue the rethuglicans for fraud, disinformation and purposefully posting and advertising so as to

DEFRAUD the AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC...

they _ARE_ SELLING A PRODUCT, they can be found guilty of criminal, and civil as well as FEDERAL MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS in order to control resources...monetary gain....

it's a verifiable fact, and it's a crime.

.SUE THEM.

.

Blizzard of Lies, By PAUL KRUGMAN, September 11, 2008

Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, “Thanks, but no thanks” when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.

"...our system continues to reward false statements and outright lies with a winning campaign..."

Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 — my first year at The Times — trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign’s claims about taxes, spending and Social Security.

But I can’t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign’s lies in 2000 were artful — you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.

Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn’t say “no thanks” — she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would “not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative.”

Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn’t righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere.

So the whole story of Ms. Palin’s alleged heroic stand against wasteful spending is fiction.

Or take the story of Mr. Obama’s alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for “age and developmentally appropriate education”; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators.

And then there’s the claim that Mr. Obama’s use of the ordinary metaphor “putting lipstick on a pig” was a sexist smear, and on and on.

Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they’re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being “balanced” at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn’t say that he’s wrong, it reports that “some Democrats say” that he’s wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty.

They’re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being “McCain campaign lies,” it becomes “Obama on defensive in face of attacks.”

Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign’s lies? I mean, politics ain’t beanbag, and all that.

One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues — on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years.

But there’s another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern.

I’m not talking about the theory, often advanced as a defense of horse-race political reporting, that the skills needed to run a winning campaign are the same as those needed to run the country. The contrast between the Bush political team’s ruthless effectiveness and the heckuva job done by the Bush administration is living, breathing, bumbling, and, in the case of the emerging Interior Department scandal, coke-snorting and bed-hopping proof to the contrary.

I’m talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early suspicion that we were being misled about the threat from Iraq came from the way the political tactics being used to sell the war resembled the tactics that had earlier been used to sell the Bush tax cuts.

And now the team that hopes to form the next administration is running a campaign that makes Bush-Cheney 2000 look like something out of a civics class. What does that say about how that team would run the country?

What it says, I’d argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse.

Posted by: your betters....

haha the conservatives get so mad at the media. probably bc they know they are wrong and just don't want the media to pick up on it.

for the record, obama didn't call palin a pig and the only reason conservatives are stuck on that is bc they have no policy to address instead of bull.

obama is the least investigated most adored candidate ever by the press.

obama should be made to explain his relationship with ayers, left wing activists, radical preachers, criminals, release records and be subject to just a mere fraction of the investigation on palin.

Let's see now--who would I rather have for a President? One who is computer literate-or one who is not afraid to debate issues in townhall meetings?

I'll take the guy who wants to debate issues. I think he's more in touch.

Obama's aggressive new tone work?

Nope, fraid not.

It's simple really, he's a diffident metrosexual who comes across as testosterone challenged.

Him trying to act tough is like a toy poodle trying to act tough. It can growl to its hearts content but it still won't look tough.

Which is why he'd be a lousy president (well, one of the reasons anyway - there are a lot more)

Bottom line - No MAN would be scared of him.

Putin and Ahmanininutjob are praying that Obama gets in.

McCain is someone they'd have to take seriously. Obama? Oh please.

Sarah Palin has a lot more guts than he ever will.

Bruce, Obama not only called Sarah Palin a pig, he inferred that all hockey moms were pigs. He is so pathetic.

why does the press not ask hard questions and investigate the relationship with ayers, wright, rezko.

reason-bias

Obama has a "new aggressive tone"?
What kind of a tone was it when the Obama/Media ticket attacked Sarah Plain as a bad mother because she worked for a living, when they said she should stay home and take care of the children, when they accused her of having an affair, when they blamed her for her seventeen-year-old daughter becoming pregnant?
The leading stories in today's WP, and on the Obama media circuit and circus, are that the poor little lamb Obama has been under attack and is now striking back.
The reality is that Superwoman Sarah and the McCain/Palin campaign struck back at the sexist, nasty attacks that the Obama/Media ticket saw fit to launch on this working mother of five.
Obama STILL hasn't apologized for calling Sara Palin a pig. And he STILL hasn't apologized for calling John McCain and old and stinking fish!

Let's not forget that Republicans' policies ALWAYS mimic each others' because they have no such thing as individualism (which McCain did have prior to his presidential run). If McCain wins, it will be Reagan/Bush Sr/Bush Jr all over again. Every one of these periods was marked by economic downturns. Trickle down DOES NOT WORK. If anyone is familiar with Arthur Okun's analysis of trickle down prior to this method even being used, you will know that it doesn't even make sense in theory for America. It only makes sense in impoverished societies where having the upper class reinvest in society means better infrastructure, more jobs, etc. One of the richest families in the world, the Tatas in India (of steel fortune), have set a great example in establishing and maintaining great, affordable hospitals. This creates a trickle down effect.

Unfortunately, in our society, highly compensated CEOs do not reinvest in our society in the same way. They take their money home and use it on their families and their homes (remember Ken Lay's ridiculously expensive shower curtains??). Thus, trickle down is rather ineffective and results in the recessions that we saw in every one of the trickle down presidents. Even many conservative economists agree with this analysis.

There IS a recession and McCain won't acknowledge it or he will be in trouble politically. In fact, he doesn't even believe in the tax cuts. And Palin is too stupid and poorly educated to acknowledge it, so no hope there.

REALITY BEGINS TO SEEP IN...

HARRY REID: "PRESIDENT MCCAIN"

Sept 12, 2008

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in the middle of a lengthy defense Friday of Barack Obama’s leadership credentials, inadvertently referred to “President McCain.”

...

“President McCain even called the Obama approach naive,” Reid said.

Anonymous,

As usual you are way off point. So what his mom was 3 months pregnant when she married the father? That was 45 years ago, my mom was 16 when she had me. To think of the hardships he had to endure being a mixed race and to do the things he has done is truly the all american story. Nobody is slamming Palin for her daughter, the only point they have been saying is if it was Obamas daughter with the same issue we would be hearing one squaking GOP mouthpiece after another talking about the Dems having no family values. Just like they are playing hurt about the lipstick comment even though it has been used many times before and especially by McCain. Just because the audience reacted that way meant nothing...

Will someone please explain to me how Michelle Obama's salary increased from $125,000 to $317,000 the month after her husband was elected to be a US senator? She is just a hospital vice president who handles "out placement" of patients. Sounds like someone was looking for political favors. Michelle Obama IS NOT worth $300K+ to sit behind a desk pushing papers.

OMG! Can you imagine the White House maids having to clean "watch springs" from the Lincoln bed?

Diane72,

Ah another only GOPers know best. Im glad you brought up meeting the Queen, lets harken back to 1991 when she came to the White House for a visit. The Presidents son who now resides there sat down next to her and propped his cowboy boots up on the table, introduced himself as the blacksheep of the family and then proceeded to ask her who the black sheep in her family was. Now fast forward 10 years when she had to meet him as President. You dont think she remembered that?

OMG, Diane - all that crappy African art and black velvet stuff hanging in the Lincoln bedroom. Can't you just see it? Yep, that's the Obama style....tacky, tacky, tacky. Fakey, fakey, fakey. Dishonest, dishonest, dishonest. They have so many fooled.

Asper Girl,

Nice comeback, NOT. I think you have shown you have no room in your mind for the truth if it relates to the Democrats. If you have read who filed the lawsuit and his reasons why you would know it has no merit. I read the whole thing and trust me you dont want to know my legal background. Any more lies you want me to dispute????

All I can say is, "Hillary told you so." She warned that the battle for the White House would be fought in the same states they always are: Ohio, Florida, etc. But no, the Obama campaian said we will expand the map. Hmmm...how's that working out for you? She also said she was stronger in those states. So, once again, how's that working out for the Dems? I was a Hillary supporter, and now I am firmly behind McCain/ Palin. Barack Obama deserves to lose. He did not choose Hillary as his running mate. They say the first important decision you make as a presidential nominee is your choice of running mate. Obama chose wrong. He is now losing. He deserves it.
McCain/Palin Supporter
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I was a staunch Clinton supporter; I am not a huge fan of hypocritical Obama, and I don't think that rhetoric makes him as good a candidate for the presidency as Clinton. However, it is ridiculous that you are behind McCain/Palin now. Their policies differ completely from both Clinton's or Obama's (in fact, the Republicans don't have policies ideas at all and Charlie Gibson just made a joke of Palin on ABC News). Palin is also a joke compared to Clinton.

While I too firmly believe that Clinton should have been chosen as VP (and I bet that Obama is now wishing that he had chosen her), I am behind Obama now because I am not willing to compromise my beliefs just to be behind Hillary. You should take a good look at your beliefs too: will voting for McCain or Obama give you a nation that would most resemble one of which Clinton is president? Defecting to the Republican ticket is exactly what Clinton did not want, and you are a disgrace to her base of supporters. Whether or not you think Obama made the right choice, it is time to choose the lesser of two evils and think of who has the policies who will steer this country in the right direction.

Anonymous,

Were you outraged at McCains quip about Chelsea Clinton when her dad was President? Or in your mind only Dems make sexist comments? So why is it when Palin talks about lipstick a 100 year old southern saying is now sexist???

>>Huh? wrote: "So we go from he wasnt born in the US to he was born in the US but because his mom married an Indonesian and she relocated to Indonesia he is no longer a US citizen. So if you have a child and relocated to Canada then your child is no longer a US citizen. Boy you GOPers are stupid."

I'm sorry that you're just too unfamiliar with lawsuits to realize that the questions you ask are not really meaningful. Enough. Bug off.

I don't care where Obama was born, but the fact that his mother was 3 months pregnant before she married his father shows that the Dems and MSM have no right to taunt the Palins about their family business, unless they do the same to the Obamas. The MSM has not vetted Obama in all these months and months, but are slamming Palin, McCain, etc. relentlessly. They have helped move McCain/Palin into a good position come Election Day. Many thanks.

So Anonymous are you as outraged over what McCain said about Chelsea Clinton when her dad was president? Or is it only Dems that make sexist remarks???

Why is it necessary for the Washington Post to misrepresent polling data that is now accessible to almost anyone with an internet connection?

"The tactical shift comes as national polls that show a dead heat in the presidential race."

Nonsense. Only two out of many polls over the last week show Obama with a lead. Everything else shows McCain leading by a little to a lot.

. . . and please don't give me that nonsense about margin of error. If the results were the exact opposite, we'd be hearing how Obama was winning handily.

quote: "The liberal base of the Democratic party detests Palin in a visceral way and wants to destroy her, regardless of whether it is a sound political strategy or not."

They Must destroy her. What options are Left? Obama's goodie bag is limited in appeal. HE is now limited in appeal. His old pop-cultured persona is fading fast.
The National Election was always a different animal than the Democrat primaries, where he rode a coalition of utopians, academia, Blacks, nutrooters, and making-a-difference-students. Turns out they're a minority of minorities. Other "minorities", like the working class, business owners, independent women, those 'other' union members, clingers, Republicans, conservatives, and moderates are somehow drawing together, Uniting if you will, to go with a Change they can believe in. How does Barack stop That?

Someone should remind Michelle Shaniqua Obama that it is considered impolite to chew food with your mouth open. In my view this woman lacks the poise, grace, and good breeding to be First Lady. I saw this image of her eating a pork sandwich and I was aghast at the prospect of her entertaining in the White House. Can you imagine her sitting down to tea with Queen Elizabeth II? Do you think she will hang the god awful african art on the pristine White House walls?

Obama Supporter:

Yes,McCain used the pig lipstick analogy BEFORE Sarah said her joke. Obama said it AFTERWARD, and waited for audience response which he got, and continued on. There's a BIG DIFFERENCE, SWEETIE. Obama is a racist AND a sexist. Poor baby probably falls asleep crying every night because he isn't snuggled up with Hillary. Boo-Hoo.

Apparently people forgot another VP with even less background as a governor than Palin. Teddy Roosevelt. Why do we focus so hard on the VP versus Obama. It should be a focus on the presidential office only..

Posted by: JOhn | September 12, 2008 6:12 PM
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This comment is a reflection of how ignorant Americans are of their own history and of how low our standards have become (the two facts are not unrelated)

The notion that TR had less experience than Palin is utterly ridiculous. Here is a sketch of TR's life prior to becoming VP in 1900:

1880. Graduated Harvard, magna cum laude and phi beta kappa.
1882. Published “Naval War of 1812, considered definitive history on subject for generations.
1882- New York State Assembleyman
1886. Ran for Mayor of New York City
1889. Appointed ot US Civil Service Commission. Served through 1895.
1889-96. Wrote and published four volume history, “Winning of the West,” considered the definitive history of the American frontier.
1895. Became President of Board of Commissioners of New York City Police Commisioners
1897. Appointed Assistant Secretary of the Navy
1898. Recruited, organized and commanded the First US Volunteer Cavalary Regiment (“tghe Rough Riders”) and led them to victory in the Battle of San Juan Hill Hill, for which he was lataer awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.
1898. Elected governor of New York, then the largest state in the US (7.2 million people out of a total of 76 million) 1. In 1900, when he was elected VP, Roosevelt had been governor of New York State for two years. New York had a population of approximately 7.3 million, approximately 10% of the total US population of 76 million. Governing New York in 1900 was a much harder task than governing Alaska today. Getting elected governor of NY in 1898 took much more political skill and ability than getting elected governor of Alaska in 2006.

The foregoing scratches the surface of this extraordinarily gifted and accomplished intellectual, author, warrior and politician -- arguably the most capable individual ever to serve as President.

How, other than having the “title” governor for two years, is Sarah Palin comparable? Not at all. Not in any way.

The only candidate in this year’s race who is even remotely comparable is Obama. Like Roosevelt, Obama graduated from Harvard with honors, served with distinction in the legislature of a large state, and is an accomplished author.

The rest of them (McCain, Biden and especially Palin) are simply jokes compared to Teddy Roosevelt. Or even compared to most of the people who have run for President or Vice President over the past 50 years.

"his true nature as the 'angry black male'."

Hey Tas, got any proof to back up this racist comment? Or are you just like your pals McCain Spongesarah Squarepants, and you'll tell any lie in the hope of getting elected.

So Asper Girl i think you have proven to be the uneducated idiot on this blog. Didnt even read the lawsuit did ya? If you did you would have seen this part:

"unfortunately, Obama is not a "natural born" citizen. Just to name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. Citizenship when his mother married and Indonesian citizen and relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama's mother naturalized in Indonesia and Obama followed her naturalization, as he was a minor and in the custody of his mother"

So we go from he wasnt born in the US to he was born in the US but because his mom married an Indonesian and she relocated to Indonesia he is no longer a US citizen. So if you have a child and relocated to Canada then your child is no longer a US citizen. Boy you GOPers are stupid.

here is the link: http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaComplaint.pdf

Hey you leftwing wingnuts Palin field dress you like big old moose

So long as Obama drills the issues he wins; if he stoops to baseless slander he deserves to lose.

Here is a big part of Asper Girls lawsuit blog that she didnt post:

This week 9/11 Truther, Hillary supporter, and all around nut-job Philip J. Berg filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Barack Obama on grounds that he is constitutionally ineligible to be President of the United States due to citizenship issues. Citizen Wells has the press release Here

Berg, in pure moonbat fashion, has taken a mosaic of unsubstantiated email rumors and created one steaming pile of a lawsuit that should be stomped on and laughed out of court! See the filed action Here

Quote:
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Obama and Scarlett Johansson exchanging email?

So McCain doesn't know how to send email, and Obama doesn't know when not to.

Annoynmous,

In the real world that may be true, but as the GOP has shown you can duck lawsuits claiming executive privileged. Im sure those filing the suit went to Hawaii and checked his birth records.. NOT

want to make some big headlines????

sue the rethuglicans for fraud, disinformation and purposefully posting and advertising so as to

DEFRAUD the AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC...

they _ARE_ SELLING A PRODUCT, they can be found guilty of criminal, and civil as well as FEDERAL MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS in order to control resources...monetary gain....

it's a verifiable fact, and it's a crime.

.SUE THEM.

.

Blizzard of Lies, By PAUL KRUGMAN, September 11, 2008

Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, “Thanks, but no thanks” when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.

"...our system continues to reward false statements and outright lies with a winning campaign..."

Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 — my first year at The Times — trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign’s claims about taxes, spending and Social Security.

But I can’t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign’s lies in 2000 were artful — you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.

Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn’t say “no thanks” — she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would “not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative.”

Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn’t righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere.

So the whole story of Ms. Palin’s alleged heroic stand against wasteful spending is fiction.

Or take the story of Mr. Obama’s alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for “age and developmentally appropriate education”; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators.

And then there’s the claim that Mr. Obama’s use of the ordinary metaphor “putting lipstick on a pig” was a sexist smear, and on and on.

Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they’re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being “balanced” at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn’t say that he’s wrong, it reports that “some Democrats say” that he’s wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty.

They’re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being “McCain campaign lies,” it becomes “Obama on defensive in face of attacks.”

Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign’s lies? I mean, politics ain’t beanbag, and all that.

One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues — on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years.

But there’s another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern.

I’m not talking about the theory, often advanced as a defense of horse-race political reporting, that the skills needed to run a winning campaign are the same as those needed to run the country. The contrast between the Bush political team’s ruthless effectiveness and the heckuva job done by the Bush administration is living, breathing, bumbling, and, in the case of the emerging Interior Department scandal, coke-snorting and bed-hopping proof to the contrary.

I’m talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early suspicion that we were being misled about the threat from Iraq came from the way the political tactics being used to sell the war resembled the tactics that had earlier been used to sell the Bush tax cuts.

And now the team that hopes to form the next administration is running a campaign that makes Bush-Cheney 2000 look like something out of a civics class. What does that say about how that team would run the country?

What it says, I’d argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse.

Why is it, let me ask you, that these "centrist Democrats" [who are, by the way, communist liberals to bible thum'ers] are always on "We'll fight back" mode?

Why don't they, as that "former GOP strategist" [what's his name?] said, GO ON THE OFFENSE, opening tactical points for which the McCain Palin ticket must respond?

Why are these weak spinned centrist Democrats always cry "No more swift boating", screaming foul, time and again, like this?

I tell you, I wasted a few hundred dollars supporting these weak spinned Democrats.

Edwards used my donation to rent a mansion for his mistress; Clinton never knew how to use my money wisely, with total faulty primary-caucas strategies....

Obama, he's just another loser Kerry-Gore-Dukakis, Yale and Harvard educated heads who are made to look like total losers by uneducated hockey moms who believes not science but creationism and God as her guiding light...

It's sad; but it's also freakin' funny, looking at these losers the last a couple presidential elections,,,, They are always on "response" mode: We aren't gonna let them get away this time! Haha!

emptyness of whitehouse "code pinkers"

looking to play hide the salaami with the theif in chief

as the nation crashes...

arrest and prosecute them.

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>>Huh? wrote: "Asper Girl, you yourself say they are allegations, so even you cant prove he wasnt born in Hawaii. I may be a troll but im an informed troll"

That's what a lawsuit is for. To make allegations & prove things.

As someone who is further to the left than Obama, but who believes the formeost goal in politics is not to prove you are on the right side of the merits of an argument, or even of history, but to win elections so you actually control the government and have the ability to shape history, I view the focus on the economy as winning turf.

While it's fine for surrogates, especially other Democratic Senators, Members of Congress, and Governors to disparage Palin, Obama should not engage in wallowing in that mud, wasting his time attacking a Vice Presidential candidate. Her lack of real knowledge of the issues is already becoming apparent from the first segment of the Gibson interview and her own statements off the campaign trail in Alaska this week. The more she opens her mouth on real issues, the more she will disqualify herself in the minds of reasonable voters.

Palin is not the opposition, not the Presidential Candidate----McCain is. McCain must be tied to the Bush economy for Obama to win. Do that and it's a 52-48 or 53-47 split of the two-party vote nationally that will be magnified in the Electoral College to the tune of about 311 Electoral Votes. Fail to do that and it's another Democratic loss in an election that should have been won.

Ideal Obama campaign tag team:

Michelle Obama
Rev. Jeremiah Wright

They are already "angry", with their heads filled with all the conspiracy theories & grievances they need to fill in the gaps between reality & their hatred.

Asper Girl,

you yourself say they are allegations, so even you cant prove he wasnt born in Hawaii. I may be a troll but im an informed troll

Aspergirl,

Where is your proof he was born in Indonesia? You dont have any you troll

>>What? wrote: "Asper Girl, Answer the question about being born in Hawaii, or you cant get an answer from Rush? Truth hurts doesnt it...."

Read the post again. The allegations for (1) are that he was not born in Hawaii. The allegations for (2) are that he expatriated to Indonesia via his mother's expatriation. The allegations for (3) are that he has dual citizenship.

Please don't ask stupid questions about people's posts that show you don't even read or understand them.

You're just a troll being a harasser. Go away.

So Obama is going to get tough, and spew rhetoric.
Well he learned from the best, his former pastor.

The new Hate monger,,Rev, Barack O'Wright.

>>"AsperGirl, Do just a BIT of research before you regurgitate whatever you heard on Rush's show earlier today, willya?"

Read your own link. The facts alleged in the snopes "fact check" article are not the same story.

That snopes.com "fact check" pulls the same kind of fraud that the Obama's absurdly dishonest "fight the smears" website does: it cites a story that is different than the one alleged and then "debunks" the changed story.

If you look carefully at the snopes "fact checked" story, it claims that his mother didn't meet the requirements for citizenship to convey "natural born citizens" status on a baby with a foreign national father. That's a story no one is telling except snopes.com.

The story about Obama's birth is that he was actually born abroad, in Kenya while on a visit because his mother was too pregnant to fly back as planned due to an airline policy to not allow people with imminent delivery. She gave birth to Obama in Kenya & flew back 4 days later & quickly (& falsely) registered his birth as being in Hawaii. The U.S. naturalization law in 1961 for children born abroad to a U.S. citizen means that "natural born citizen" status can't be conveyed unless the U.S. parent is at least 19.

Those online fact check sites & Obama's "fight the smears" website have been pulling that trick of misstating the story & then "debunking" the misstated story. They do that expecting that people like you won't notice. & you don't.

Barky is running away from his tax plan, says he may delay it. If it is really good for the economy he would be able to get it enacted before fed 15 with a complete compliant congress. Libs should be outraged, this is just more of the Bush policies. Barky and Bill meeting ................."It will start with "Well Barak was spotted an automatic 15 point lead going into the election and he squandered all 15 points and was down by 2 to 3 when he came to me. I told him it was kinda like watching a USA basketball team take 3rd place in the Olympics (I always like to use metaphors he can understand). I also told him he had the ultimate support network imaginable with 9 in 10 reporters/pundints/media orgs valiantly carrying his water everyday and the best opposition research team money could buy. So I pointed out he was trying very ineffectively to guard the wrong person on the other team, and just wasn't very good without a teleprompter. But the major piece of advice I gave him was just hang around me and introduce we at every stop, and make sure to bow and say you aren't worthy and for heavens sake don't mention the unbelievable peace dividend that Reagan and Bush 1 got for me, a complete 8 years of peace, the even better luck of having a Republican congress to keep me in check, Hillary's health care going down the tubes, or all the Republican Governors that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that welfare recipients would rather work if given the right chance. Also, we will need a Bimbo eruption team, and I will give your staff the attributes of the "Perks" I will need on the road. Listen Barry, this will cost you much much more in the future because I am giving up Hillary's chance for 2012 which you have single-handly made almost inevitable. She may not forgive me but I won't have to go through all that disclosure crap. Welcome to 'Bigs' kid, let's go kick so Republican butt."

Does this mean he is going to try even harder to bamboozle and hoodwink the voters?

Reading the blogs here and on other newspapers around the country i have with a heavy heart have decided to abandon the party i have loved since i was a teenager. We have real problems in this country, i guess most on this blog do not realize this. But the acid tongue remarks and outright lies on this blog and on McCains ads have turned me off this party once and for all. I thought George Bush would change our country for the better but has done a complete 180 from what he said he would do. The thing that pains me the most is i dont hear McCain or Pailin state how they will fix the problems we have now. All i here is hes an elitist and celebrity blah blah blah. Well that doesn't help my situation nor our country. Me im going Dem for the first time in my life and feel like the weight of the world has been taken off my shoulders. So long GOP when you get back to helping this great country i may come back, but so far i dont see that happening.

You say:

"For some in the Democratic Party -- which is always waiting for the other shoe to drop on the presidential level -- the events of the past six weeks (or so) have begun to eerily resemble the late summer and fall of the 2004 presidential campaign when Sen. John Kerry watched as Republicans (and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) reshaped the debate and reelected a somewhat unpopular president."

Simply put, this is 2008 not 2004, and the McCain campaign has grossly overplayed its hand.

Yes I DETEST the idea of a secessionist in the role of VP. Palin family were members of the anti-US Alaska First Secessionist Party (AKIP) Why should we have a VP that wants Alaska to seceed from the nation? Aside from that Palin is a lightweight - she ACTUALLY talks about going to war with Russia.... STUPID. THAT IS WHAT DIPLOMATS ARE FOR... SO WE DON'T HAVE A NUCLEAR WAR WITH RUSSIA! Somebody shut her up before she gets us all killed!

YES I think John McCain is compoletely out of touch with the average American. We don't wear $300,000 outfits like Cindy McCain did, and we don't wear $6,000 shoes like John McCain.

YES I want a president who understands economics, the value of international allies, and education. I want a President who sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee - Beats the hell out of experience that is summed up by looking over the ice at Siberia for God's sake!

Mostly I want an honest and ethical President who will sweep out all of Bush's NEO-CON appointees.... like the ones at FEMA, and that cocain/sex party oil agency... All Bush people, all need to GO!

Vote Obama 08'

Get a clue it does not matter, one side playing of the fears and apprehensions of the other. The truth is nothing is really going to change. They are all corporate lapdogs that do as they are told by the 'real congress'...the lobbyists. The real winners in this election cycle are the newspapers, news channels, radio stations and pundits that get people to tune in.

Yikes,

I don't think you read below that post. Someone said the world hated America. You only read a response. But great point to the affirmative

want to make some big headlines????

sue the rethuglicans for fraud, disinformation and purposefully posting and advertising so as to

DEFRAUD the AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC...

they _ARE_ SELLING A PRODUCT, they can be found guilty of criminal, and civil as well as FEDERAL MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS in order to control resources...monetary gain....

it's a verifiable fact, and it's a crime.

.SUE THEM.

.

Blizzard of Lies, By PAUL KRUGMAN, September 11, 2008

Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, “Thanks, but no thanks” when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.

"...our system continues to reward false statements and outright lies with a winning campaign..."

Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 — my first year at The Times — trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign’s claims about taxes, spending and Social Security.

But I can’t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign’s lies in 2000 were artful — you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.

Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn’t say “no thanks” — she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would “not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative.”

Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn’t righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere.

So the whole story of Ms. Palin’s alleged heroic stand against wasteful spending is fiction.

Or take the story of Mr. Obama’s alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for “age and developmentally appropriate education”; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators.

And then there’s the claim that Mr. Obama’s use of the ordinary metaphor “putting lipstick on a pig” was a sexist smear, and on and on.

Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they’re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being “balanced” at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn’t say that he’s wrong, it reports that “some Democrats say” that he’s wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty.

They’re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being “McCain campaign lies,” it becomes “Obama on defensive in face of attacks.”

Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign’s lies? I mean, politics ain’t beanbag, and all that.

One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues — on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years.

But there’s another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern.

I’m not talking about the theory, often advanced as a defense of horse-race political reporting, that the skills needed to run a winning campaign are the same as those needed to run the country. The contrast between the Bush political team’s ruthless effectiveness and the heckuva job done by the Bush administration is living, breathing, bumbling, and, in the case of the emerging Interior Department scandal, coke-snorting and bed-hopping proof to the contrary.

I’m talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early suspicion that we were being misled about the threat from Iraq came from the way the political tactics being used to sell the war resembled the tactics that had earlier been used to sell the Bush tax cuts.

And now the team that hopes to form the next administration is running a campaign that makes Bush-Cheney 2000 look like something out of a civics class. What does that say about how that team would run the country?

What it says, I’d argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse.

Asper Girl,

Answer the question about being born in Hawaii, or you cant get an answer from Rush? Truth hurts doesnt it....

Obama is now doing "politics as usual" after he promised to run a different campaign.

The only change that Obama can offer is the number of times he changes his mind and his position on everything from his pastor to his political approach.

The negative ads only make me more determined to not go with Obama or the Democrats in this election. I have determined that Obama is a sexist pig and the liberals believe women are only good for votes and abortion.

Aemrican women (and men) deserve more than a self-serving and ever changing leaders. I am going for eal CHANGE and voting for a woman ticket - go McCain/Palin '08!

Michael4,
Sorry that wasnt you that said that about McCain, but i like your comeback to that flower throwing incident that only the GOP can pick up on. They dont seem to realize our economy is in the tank, we have poor healthcare or we are paying way to much for gas while the oil companies get rich. Yep that flower laying swayed me...NOT...

"Some idiots try to make an issue of the most inane things to distract from significant issues ..."

Why not? It wins every election, every time.

Any progressive, liberal, Democrat, whatever who insists on arguing ISSUES from a LOGICAL standpoint is already doomed.

It's about PERSONALITIES and not CONDESCENDING to those less "informed".

The Dems may govern better, but the Repubs CAMPAIGN better, and that after all is how elections are won.

George Wallace was right -- "pointy-headed intellectuals" just don't get it.

They really don't.

"So I would assume that you think cutiing the taxes on those high wage earners was a good thing when Bush did exactly that in 2001. How did that work out for the country?"

Posted by: NM Moderate |
==============================

1. Bush cut taxes in 2003, not 2001
2. The tax cuts spurred growth and gave us 4+ years of strong of economic growth.
3. Revenues to the Federal treasury grew by over 20%
4. Those high wage earners you talk about? The top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of all income taxes. The bottom 50% pay on 3%. That's AFTER Bush's tax rate reductions. Ooh, how unfair!

wallace2

7% bonus

They were referring to the bonus the ceo and senior leadership at Exxon would get not the bonus to the stock owners. I believe that is the point. No matter the performance of Exxon at the quarter or year end they get their management bonus or such. The stock owners can't rely on anything but the stock value growth if it occurs (of course some stocks pay a dividend).

want to make some big headlines????

sue the rethuglicans for fraud, disinformation and purposefully posting and advertising so as to

DEFRAUD the AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC...

they _ARE_ SELLING A PRODUCT, they can be found guilty of criminal, and civil as well as FEDERAL MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS in order to control resources...monetary gain....

it's a verifiable fact, and it's a crime.

.SUE THEM.

.

Blizzard of Lies, By PAUL KRUGMAN, September 11, 2008

Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, “Thanks, but no thanks” when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

"...our system continues to reward false statements and outright lies with a winning campaign..."

These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.

Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 — my first year at The Times — trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign’s claims about taxes, spending and Social Security.

But I can’t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign’s lies in 2000 were artful — you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.

Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn’t say “no thanks” — she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would “not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative.”

Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn’t righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere.

So the whole story of Ms. Palin’s alleged heroic stand against wasteful spending is fiction.

Or take the story of Mr. Obama’s alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for “age and developmentally appropriate education”; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators.

And then there’s the claim that Mr. Obama’s use of the ordinary metaphor “putting lipstick on a pig” was a sexist smear, and on and on.

Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they’re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being “balanced” at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn’t say that he’s wrong, it reports that “some Democrats say” that he’s wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty.

They’re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being “McCain campaign lies,” it becomes “Obama on defensive in face of attacks.”

Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign’s lies? I mean, politics ain’t beanbag, and all that.

One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues — on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years.

But there’s another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern.

I’m not talking about the theory, often advanced as a defense of horse-race political reporting, that the skills needed to run a winning campaign are the same as those needed to run the country. The contrast between the Bush political team’s ruthless effectiveness and the heckuva job done by the Bush administration is living, breathing, bumbling, and, in the case of the emerging Interior Department scandal, coke-snorting and bed-hopping proof to the contrary.

I’m talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early suspicion that we were being misled about the threat from Iraq came from the way the political tactics being used to sell the war resembled the tactics that had earlier been used to sell the Bush tax cuts.

And now the team that hopes to form the next administration is running a campaign that makes Bush-Cheney 2000 look like something out of a civics class. What does that say about how that team would run the country?

What it says, I’d argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse.

Apparently people forgot another VP with even less background as a governor than Palin. Teddy Roosevelt. Why do we focus so hard on the VP versus Obama. It should be a focus on the presidential office only..

LOL. Even in NJ, Obama's up by only 3 pts now. Was 12 pts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nj/new_jersey_mccain_vs_obama-250.html

Nov. 4 is going to be one ugly trainwreck for the left-wing sexists.

AsperGirl,

Do just a BIT of research before you regurgitate whatever you heard on Rush's show earlier today, willya?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Jennifer,

We are hated around the world. Do you remember September 12th when newspapers around the world declared they to are Americans and even our enemies were so appalled by the attack they were willing to help. But our stupid leader W thought he knew more than the whole world. That is why outside of Georgia he has to be moved away from the hundreds of thousands of protesters that greet him in every country....

a person who truly believes in God would not support abortion, OR....

- Killing Gods creatures. Dominion means responsibility not recreation. No matter how much you try to glorify hunting...it is what it is. A sport for bloodthirsty people with no concept of respect for LIFE)

- Shooting immigrants, racism, turning your back on the POOR (Is Jesus Christ ringing any bells? He was an immigrant and a community activist).

- War (plenty of children have been killed in Iraq. Some were not in a womb though so I guess it doesn't matter)

PLEEEEEASE end the farce.

michael4,

Dont you realize McCain cannot raise his arms up much less throw something? If that is what is going to make up your mind, i hope you will be comforted by that feeling everytime you fill your tank up with gas over 4 dollars a gallon...

"The liberal base of the Democratic party detests Palin in a visceral way and wants to destroy her, regardless of whether it is a sound political strategy or not."

Can you please give evidence--any at all--for this preposterous charge? Here is where the press--and you specifically, Chris--must be held accountable. The attacks against Palin have not come from Democrats: they've come from McCain campaign characterizations that you and the press have picked up as buzzy news.

Please, please write one article about the tax policy differences between McCain and Obama. Make it clear that the billionaires who brought on the housing crisis and the boost in oil and commodity prices are taxed at

15% on their revenue

while all of the rest of us productive workers and business creators pay up to 35%.

Do the math, America. That's 20% more in taxes paid by non-billionaires. Look at what McCain says about taxes, health care and the rest. Obama doesn't need to say much to speak the truth. But there must be honest brokers to pass it on in the media. Please pass on a sliver of the godawful truth.

I agree with tax cuts for all..you know that fair thing. But raising taxes on those who make the money, drive the economy and create the jobs is a sure ticket to recession

Posted by: steve jackson | September 12, 2008 5:30 PM

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This sounds suspiciously like the "the sky will fall!" doom-and-gloom that was coming out of the GOP congressmen and senators' mouths in lockstep in 1993 in reference to Clinton's economic plan. Instead, we got the longest run of economic prosperity in our history.

This line of b.s. depends squarely on one's ability to assume that a millionaire will do everything in his power to make a profit that is taxed at 31%, but will forego trying to make money if it's taxed at 35% (or whatever the number proposed is). Anyone who knows ANYTHING about economics knows that such a proposition is about as rational as bringing a bass boat to a drag race. Sure, the rich WANT to have their earnings taxed at the lowest rate possible, but they aren't going to take their football and go home if they have to pay a few more cents on the dollar.

The one thing that IS certain is that if we continue our borrow-and-spend ways, as the current controlling faction of the GOP would have us do, that is a ticket not to recession, but to an economic disaster that will make the Great Depression look like Disneyland.

Steve Jackson,

Almost 70 percent of economic growth is driven by consumer spending.

One thing is for certain -- the peanuts that McCain throws to the middle and working class won't goose consumer spending significantly.

Obama's plan may not go far enough, but it's much more likely to succeed in creating some real economic growth. Obama's investment in building bridges at home; rather than blowing them up overseas is also smart long-term fiscal policy.

Obama has panicked. That's what you get from the inexperienced and untested. Imagine him as president faced with a crisis. Maybe Axelrod could tell him what to do if Russian troops moved into Ukraine.

Gee whiz, Barack! Why don't you just call them scum sucking liars? You know those mavericks, always messing with the truth. You should never trust a maverick. They say one thing and then do the opposite. Just replay their statements and smack on a label that says LIAR! over their mouth. I don't know why this is so tough. If Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert and the View ladies can do it, why can't the Dems? Let Biden do ads about Palin. She's full of it too. Maybe she didn't lie about being a mother, but everything else is unclear. Everything else she brags about is half or completely false. Start taking her down. People will cry foul at first but after a while they will realize she's a fraud.

Obama on taxes and the economy
He plans to increase the top individual income tax rate from 35% to 39.6% and 65.9% of Americans disagree .
He wants to increase capital gains taxes from 15% to 28%.
He plans to increase taxes on stock dividend income from 15% to 39.6% when 65.9% of Americans disagree.
He wants to increase the estate tax rate to 55% of estate value over $1 million when 52.6% of Americans disagree.
Increase payroll taxes for employees and employers by an additional 4%.
Increase top total income tax on self-employed individuals from 37.9% to 54.9% against the will of 84.5% of Americans who disagree.
Increase top tax rate for S-Corporation owners from 35% to 50.3% when 85.4% of Americans disagree.
His tax plans equal $900 billion in his first term and 50.8% of Americans say it is too costly and unnecessary; only 35.8% approve.
He wants to punish businesses and “rich” people with additional taxes.
Added taxes on businesses are ultimately paid by the consumer (you and I), and “rich” people are the ones who create new jobs with monies left after taxes. This plan reduces job creation and increases your taxes.

Obama on energy
We have 5.6 to 16 billion barrels of US oil in ANWR (Alaska National Wildlife Reserve) & he opposes drilling there. 36.3% of Americans agree.
We have 85.9 billion barrels of US oil & 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas (equivalent to 70 billion barrels of oil) offshore, and he opposes drilling there also. Only 23.4% of people agree.
Opposes using any of 250 billion tons of US coal (equivalent to 800 billion barrels of oil, and three times the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia).
Opposes using any of 800 billion barrels of US oil from oil shale (triple Saudi Arabia oil reserves).
USA has oil and equivalent reserves of 1.83 trillion barrels. He wants to leave it all underground and pay $700 billion per year to foreigners.
US has 104 nuclear power plants providing 20% of the nation's energy needs and France produces 77% of its energy through nuclear power plants, all with no history of accidents. But opposes 58.6% of Americans who say increase nuclear energy production as much as possible.
With his supporter Tom Daschle (who is on the board of directors of three ethanol-producing companies) favors major subsidies for ethanol which increase food shortages & result in price increases.
In June 2007 he voted for a $32 billion tax on oil producers which would have increased gasoline prices by $3.26 per gallon resulting in $7-$8 per gallon prices at the pump and 60.9% of Americans disapprove.

Obama on abortion
Unlike 67.8% of Americans, he believes that doctors should not provide care to a fetus that has survived an abortion attempt and should let it die.
Unlike 82.2% of Americans, he believes women should have the right to an abortion based on the sex of the fetus.
He believes that doctors should not inform the parents of an under aged girl choosing an abortion, and 77% of Americans disagree.
He disagrees that abortion destroys a human life and is manslaughter, and 51.5% of Americans disagree.
He doesn't know when life begins—55% of Americans say at conception.
He believes late term abortion should be legal while 66% of Americans disagree.

Obama on gun control
He is in favor of suing gun manufacturers for the crimes committed using their product, contrary to 76.2% of Americans who disagree.
He's against gun ownership laws favored by 77.6% of Americans.
Contrary to 60% of Americans, he is in favor of new tougher gun control laws instead of enforcing the laws we have.
He favors a ban on sale of handguns, but 59% of Americans disagree.
He disagrees with 70.1% of Americans who believe we should vigorously enforce laws against felons and non-US citizens voting in our elections.

Obama on healthcare
Only 35.1% of Americans are in favor of Obama's $65 billion per year health care plan, and 59.9% of people don't want this plan.

Obama on free trade
49.8% of Americans believe his trade barriers and tariff increase plans will hurt US economy. Only 34.1% believe it will help the economy.

Obama on foreign policy
Obama believes USA should unconditionally negotiate with Iran when 62.5% of Americans disagree, and only 21% agree. Maybe he could have stopped Hitler by negotiating with him.
The Arab terrorist organization Hamas has endorsed him.

Obama and a Democratic Congress
With Obama in the White House, the predominantly Democratic Congress would rubberstamp his socialist programs which have been tried by Carter and Johnson administrations and socialist countries with miserable resu

Asper Girl,

Since when does being born in Hawaii not make you an American Citizen?

I'm actually surprised, Sen. Mccain would not separate himself from the hate mongers and bigots like those who like to spread their ignorance here.

YES WE CAN ?

AFTER 20 DAYS OBAMA FINALLY SERVED SUMMONS IN LAWSUIT CHALLENGING HIS CITIZENSHIP ELIGIBILITY TO HOLD OFFICE OF PRESIDENT

After 20 days of evading being served by a summons & playing games about who could accept service on behalf of Barack Obama as he flies around the U.S., a federal lawsuit filed against him alleging he cannot serve as President of the U.S. because he is not a U.S. citizen as finally been served on Barack Obama.

http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

The U.S. Attorney & the Federal Election Commission accepted service of the summons on August 22, 2008, but none have taken action. Normally, the defendant(s) are expected to answer the lawsuit, admitting the truth or falsity of the facts alleged, before third parties react.

IN THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINES OF THE GENERAL ELECTION & THE EVASIVENESS OF BARACK OBAMA RE: BEING SERVED, THE US ATTORNEY & FEC SHOULD INTERVENE TO HELP EXPEDITE THE LEGAL PROCESS SO THAT CRITICAL FACTS CAN BE ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE NATION VOTES ON NOVEMBER 4!

IF BARACK OBAMA IS INNOCENT OF THESE CLAIMS, WHY DID HIS CAMPAIGN GIVE THE SERVICE THE RUN AROUND & DODGE SERVICE, HOLDING IT UP FOR 20 DAYS WHILE THE ELECTION DRAWS NEAR?

The suit alleges that Obama cannot qualify for Office of President for 3 separate reasons:

(1) His mother, as Kenyan records & witnesses attest, gave birth to Obama in Kenya while on a visit because the airline refused to allow her to board a flight when her delivery was imminent (this is standard for airlines, to avoid in-flight births). 4 days after his birth, Barack & mother flew back to Hawaii & she registered his birth there. No records of live birth for Obama exist in Hawaii & no hospital records in Hawaii attest to his birth. For a variety of legal reasons, including the young age of his mother & the U.S. naturalization laws at the time, Obama would not be a natural born citizen if this is true. He would be a Kenyan citizen.

(2) The suit alleges that, even if he were a "natural born citizen", Obama lost his citizenship when his mother naturalized as an Indonesian citizen while they lived in Indonesia. Obama was registered as an Indonesian citizen, and as late as the age of 20, he used his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan for undisclosed reasons while American citizens couldn't easily travel there due to restrictions.

(3) The lawsuit alleges that for a variety of reasons having to do with requirements for Obama to reclaim his citizenship if (2) were true, were not followed by him. I.e. he hasn't taken an Oath before an appropriate agent of the United States after his mother expatriated and his expatriation followed hers. He also never declared that he was giving up his Indonesian citizenship. At best, Berg alleges, Obama is a dual citizen of the U.S. and Indonesia, & a President with dual citizenship cannot have an undivided loyalties.

The very best that can be said of Barack Obama, even if all of the most lost-in-the-fog-of-the-past facts are all unable to be proved, is that he is, unquestionably, a dual citizen of the U.S. & Indonesia.

Indonesia is the country with the largest Muslim population in the World.

Final strange twist: Since Kenya was a British colony in 1961, Barack Obama might be a BRITISH citizen if (1) is true. & he might have a dual British & Indonesian citizenship and no claim to U.S. citizenship if BOTH (1) & (2) are true.

one article is at: http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20110394&BRD=1673&PAG=461&dept_id=17915&rfi=6a
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AFTER 20 DAYS OBAMA FINALLY SERVED SUMMONS IN LAWSUIT CHALLENGING HIS CITIZENSHIP ELIGIBILITY TO HOLD OFFICE OF PRESIDENT

After 20 days of evading being served by a summons & playing games about who could accept service on behalf of Barack Obama as he flies around the U.S., a federal lawsuit filed against him alleging he cannot serve as President of the U.S. because he is not a U.S. citizen as finally been served on Barack Obama.

http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

The U.S. Attorney & the Federal Election Commission accepted service of the summons on August 22, 2008, but none have taken action. Normally, the defendant(s) are expected to answer the lawsuit, admitting the truth or falsity of the facts alleged, before third parties react.

IN THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINES OF THE GENERAL ELECTION & THE EVASIVENESS OF BARACK OBAMA RE: BEING SERVED, THE US ATTORNEY & FEC SHOULD INTERVENE TO HELP EXPEDITE THE LEGAL PROCESS SO THAT CRITICAL FACTS CAN BE ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE NATION VOTES ON NOVEMBER 4!

IF BARACK OBAMA IS INNOCENT OF THESE CLAIMS, WHY DID HIS CAMPAIGN GIVE THE SERVICE THE RUN AROUND & DODGE SERVICE, HOLDING IT UP FOR 20 DAYS WHILE THE ELECTION DRAWS NEAR?

The suit alleges that Obama cannot qualify for Office of President for 3 separate reasons:

(1) His mother, as Kenyan records & witnesses attest, gave birth to Obama in Kenya while on a visit because the airline refused to allow her to board a flight when her delivery was imminent (this is standard for airlines, to avoid in-flight births). 4 days after his birth, Barack & mother flew back to Hawaii & she registered his birth there. No records of live birth for Obama exist in Hawaii & no hospital records in Hawaii attest to his birth. For a variety of legal reasons, including the young age of his mother & the U.S. naturalization laws at the time, Obama would not be a natural born citizen if this is true. He would be a Kenyan citizen.

(2) The suit alleges that, even if he were a "natural born citizen", Obama lost his citizenship when his mother naturalized as an Indonesian citizen while they lived in Indonesia. Obama was registered as an Indonesian citizen, and as late as the age of 20, he used his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan for undisclosed reasons while American citizens couldn't easily travel there due to restrictions.

(3) The lawsuit alleges that for a variety of reasons having to do with requirements for Obama to reclaim his citizenship if (2) were true, were not followed by him. I.e. he hasn't taken an Oath before an appropriate agent of the United States after his mother expatriated and his expatriation followed hers. He also never declared that he was giving up his Indonesian citizenship. At best, Berg alleges, Obama is a dual citizen of the U.S. and Indonesia, & a President with dual citizenship cannot have an undivided loyalties.

The very best that can be said of Barack Obama, even if all of the most lost-in-the-fog-of-the-past facts are all unable to be proved, is that he is, unquestionably, a dual citizen of the U.S. & Indonesia.

Indonesia is the country with the largest Muslim population in the World.

Final strange twist: Since Kenya was a British colony in 1961, Barack Obama might be a BRITISH citizen if (1) is true. & he might have a dual British & Indonesian citizenship and no claim to U.S. citizenship if BOTH (1) & (2) are true.

one article is at: http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20110394&BRD=1673&PAG=461&dept_id=17915&rfi=6a
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No way – No How – No McCain.

michael4

I missed that one..... It appeared to me that tossed his flowers onto the top of a pile of flowers.

I agree; it was stupid but very very funny. I have to say that made my day; thanks for calling that out!

Bye for now, have fun with it but remember, Vote for the guy who will grow America, not grow the Government!

michael4

I missed that one..... It appeared to me that tossed his flowers onto the top of a pile of flowers.

I agree; it was stupid but very very funny. I have to say that made my day; thanks for calling that out!

Bye for now, have fun with it but remember, Vote for the guy who will grow America, not grow the Government!

Steve Jackson,

Almost 70 percent of economic growth is driven by consumer spending. The largest chunk of that spending comes from the largest chunk of taxpayers.

One thing is for certain -- the peanuts that McCain throws to the middle and working class won't goose consumer spending significantly. Obama's plan may not go far enough, but it's much more likely to succeed in creating some real economic growth. Obama's investment in building bridges at home; rather than blowing them up overseas is also smart long-term fiscal policy.

SHOCKING!

Michelle Shaniqua Obama's latest speech.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 12, 2008 5:41 PM
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Well, now we know you too are a liar Dianne! The video posted is NOT Michelle Obama.

Can't you morons come up with legitimate, well thought out policy isses to articulate, or is attempted smearing your only talent?

No way – No How – No McCain.

I keep hearing the "McSame" crap and other than a clever play on his name it is fundamentally untrue and ANYONE that paid any attention to politcs in the last 15 years would know that, but instead most of you ignorant hippy liberals just started watching this spring and don't have a clue. Democrats and Republicans alike have respected McCain for years and the ones that didn't were the ones that made the mess that we are in today. But you would rather sling mud. Make fun of people. Believe in the hopelessly bogus promises from someone that couldn't deliver on a local level all because you finally decided to get involved in the political process. I would rather 100 well informed people voted as opposed to millions of ignorant uneducated fools. Someone told me recently that we as a country will get the President that we deserve and I can only hope that we deserve McCain otherwise when you figure out that Obama is full of empty unobtainable promises and only told you what you wanted to hear and now begins taking the mess that Bush made and turning it into a real disaster you will all be wondering what the hell happened. You didnt educate yourselves enough to deserve to privilidge of voting is what happened and you are the ones to blame. And in regards to the intitial statements about Obamas ad about McCain. What the hell does the President need to be emailing and and the internet for anyway?!?! Unlike Obama he wouldn't need to Google search his information and be checking online polls to make decisions.

No way – No How – No McCain.

"Those 7% who own Exxon will still get their big bonus check--"

Really? I've owned Exxon since 1985 and I haven't seen that bonus check.

Stick to the facts, ok?

didn't John Mccain of the 7 houses and a wife who showed up in a $300,000 outfit at the rep. convention) graduate 6th from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy? now there's a qualification.

stilowa its obvious from your resonsive rant that you have no idea what you are talkig about other then to make personal attacks. I am a lifelong D who has traveled and worked in numerous D campaigns over the last 25 years. I was also a HC suporter that started a local Ds for McCain group and websight. And that makes me a partisan how? I have recently disbanded my Ds for McCain group, taken my McCain signs down, and spoken with many like minded HC supporter who share my sentiment that they now dislike both candidates and are likely to skip the top of the ticket and vote straight D down ballot. Don't believe me? Talk with a local HC supporter and ask them what they think of Palin and McCain after his selection which in most cases has absolutely nothing to do with abortion, nothing. Dissapointment with him, cynical decision,unworthy of his historical independence, captive of the right wing of his party that is what I am hearing from Ds other than Aspergirl, who like me were otherwise ready to cast their first R vote in their lives for McCain sveral week ago, but no more. McCain is no longer the maverick you infer that he s, who once opposed the Bush tax cuts and championed campaign fiance reform with a true reformer Senator Feingold, and a concesus immigration reform policy which p.o Senators from both sides. That is the candidate many had hoped he would be when he announced his run and which you now argue. What a disappointment that only a partisan like you would not appreciate how much he has changed since then b/c he is so driven to win that he would abandon everything he 'once' stood for. You obviously missed my point or were simply too busy just typing venom.

Coleen

What are you talking about "Americans are hated around the world" That could be said for most any country-just take the shoulders of the nice French people. The British hate them so much they mispronounce Cafe just because they don't like them.

If we opened our borders people would just come piling in. America is the melting pot of all nations--we accept the tired the weary. We donate more to other countries, we help out and Yes we do interfere, we do look after our interests.

Look how silly we are but that is what is expected when you have the most broad shoulders--you carry the love and the hate of the world.

I agree with tax cuts for all..you know that fair thing. But raising taxes on those who make the money, drive the economy and create the jobs is a sure ticket to recession

Posted by: steve jackson | September 12, 2008 5:30 PM

So I would assume that you think cutiing the taxes on those high wage earners was a good thing when Bush did exactly that in 2001. How did that work out for the country?

It has now been one week since the Republican Convention ended. What do we really know about John McCain’s pick to be Vice President… Gov. Sarah Palin? What do we know about Sarah Palin’s reform credentials? Scrape away all the glitter of the stump speech and check out the facts.

• Sarah Palin hired a lobbyist to gain earmarks ($27million) while Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska'

• Sarah Palin actively campaigned for the “Bridge to Nowhere” until it was politically unpopular

• Alaskans under Sarah Palin’s tutelage as governor receive more in earmarks per capita than the national average

• All this “reform” while Alaska is awash in Oil Revenue with a 5 Billion Dollar Surplus.

It would appear that the only reforming Republicans are considering is the re-forming of American opinion that John McCain and Sarah Palin are ready to reform American government!

You cannot reform wasteful spending until you address the 10 billion dollars that we spend each month reforming Iraq!

http://michelle2005.wprdpress.com

A difficulty I have with the Dems is... They have selected an inexperienced, idealogical, non-performing candidate to replace someone they HATE. It is a phrase I hear over and over...I hate the current administration...

Hate ia a strong motivator but HATE BLINDS YOU to making wise, rational choices.

It is no wonder that Obama, with his promises of a 'better world' is accepted. All of us want that.

But look at his performance to see if he has ever delivered what he is selling.

Jennifer,

The Obama tax plan resembles Bill Clinton's tax policy. At the time people said it would create BIG problems -- it lead to the longest sustained economic expansion in U.S. history. It raised the median wage by $7,000 (compared to the $1,500 decrease under Bush).

Taxation at a 39.7% rate isn't punishment. It's asking a lot less than the demands placed under presidents from Reagan in 1986 back to FDR. It's also smart long-term economic policy.

BARACK OBAMA CLUELESS VISION ON HOW TO HELP AMERICA:

CREATE A VAST NEW CORPS OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS!

Barack Obama apparently thinks he knows more than the entire of American society. He wants to create a whole new industry group: a service sector of publicly funded community organizers.

His vision of "service" doesn't include existing organizations & industry groups that have evolved naturally & organically in our free society & free market society.

I.e. his vision of "service" doesn't include church community service & volunteer groups, existing organized groups like Habitat for Humanity, the military, national guards, police, firefighters (volunteer & professional), EMT's & paramedics (volunteer & professional), and on and on...

Apparently the peace-officer work is too challenging & dangerous (police, firefighter, EMT...), the military & national guard is too violent-aggressive-imperialistic, the church groups require that you believe in a religion, & volunteering on your own in a variety of groups doesn't pay.

He wants to artificially create, and pay, funded by federal money, a vast corps of "community organizers" to satisfy his vision of a secular, non-muscular, peace-community service corps.

There are some fundamental questions that such a vision raises:

e.g. if there was a natural fit in society for a domestic "peace corps", separate & apart from the pre-existing community & public service fields, wouldn't one have evolved organically in our society?

Isn't this a kind of expensive way to keep a lot of youth busy?

You like Germany so much. They have a simple youth-draft. Every able person has to spend a couple of years either in college, the police or the army. They don't have a separate "community service" corps that is essentially useless.

What does a "community organizer" really do?

The definition that Charlie Gibson gave was factually incomplete.

Gibson countered: “The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us.”

Charlie does not understand the Bush doctrine.

Out of the National Security Strategy, four main points are highlighted as the core to the Bush Doctrine: Preemption, Military Primacy, New Multilateralism, and the Spread of Democracy.[13] The document emphasized pre-emption by stating: "America is now threatened less by conquering states than we are by failing ones. We are menaced less by fleets and armies than by catastrophic technologies in the hands of the embittered few." and required "defending the United States, the American people, and our interests at home and abroad by identifying and destroying the threat before it reaches our borders." [14]

Sarah Palin was right to ask for a clarification as the question was meant to be an ambush and showed that Charlie didn't do his homework, or at least he doesn't use google.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_doctrine

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2002/index.html

I'm glad to see all the Wingnuts on here crowing about their small post convention bounce. It won't last, Palin is a crazy right wing religious fundamentalist with a whole lot of corruption thrown in for extra spice and McCain is a senile old warmonger.

McSame and the Crazy Intern - 08:

http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r163/InsultComicDog/?action=view¤t=McCainPalin.jpg
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NOPE!

Obama and Mccain went to lay flowers at the 911 memorial. Obama THREW his flower at the memorial, Mccain LAID DOWN his flower at the memorial. Does that tell you anything about the two men.
I am an Obama supporter who just became independent because of not just his arrogance to the living but disrespect to the dead, the people that fell on that day.
SHAME ON YOU BARRACK OBAMA!!!
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That's about the stupidest comment I've read today! It appeared to me that tossed his flowers onto the top of a pile of flowers. So what?

Some idiots try to make an issue of the most inane things to distract from significant issues like Palin's education in Journalism (of all things), forced childbirth (or opt for a coat-hanger), compulsory "creationism" education in public schools, lies and naivety (or clearly coached responses, poorly assimilated and non-refined), McCain's economic ignorance and military belicosity, and the Medicare elephant in the living room, et al.

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Good grief, they're far too many to count. Well maybe not but the sheer amount of racist trolls posting here is staggering.

You should just erase it all and start over, with some sort of system to control it like peer rating or review or something anyway, this place is a far right wing cesspool.

The failings of the Bush-McCain policies provide a target rich environment for the Obama camp.

They need to hit McCain for running from his record stress their economic plan.

With regards to Palin, just taunt her with the question; " If you are ready to be president, why arent you ready to deal with the media and reporters?"

I dont know why the demoncrats dont bring up the devalued dollar, collapsing financial institutions and the massive deficits.

Tim

HAHAHAHAHA... you liberals are really something... Your candidate of change is like an emperor parading without his clothes on... Only, no one is willing to tell him.

bsimon

Well said, I don't disagree with anything you wrote there. I do hear from many people a lot of angry talk about this "rich" class. I see their point but it is not a global definition. Rich doesn't mean evil. I also, see a lot of confusion about for instance about "Exxon profits."

Not only Exxon but other corporations. If I own some natural gas stock should I have to suffer because it costs a lot to heat a home in the winter with natural gasoline. I was banking on the infrastructure not being there for natural gas so I may have invested for that reason. I wanted to save for my future should the companies make a nifty profit it is not the big guy but people like me that needs that profit the most. Those 7% who own Exxon will still get their big bonus check--but the little guy will suffer in his retirement account if people don't wake up to the effect of hating big business and the resultant tax revenge syndrom.

The tax Revenge syndrom will not punish anyone but the working middle class and the working, working class.

Well the seas haven't risen and small town folk are still angry and bitter, I guess. As for this HRC supporter and donor, I say NoBama. He was a lot of puff and now is melting like a snowman.I see buyer's remorse all over. Write-in Hillary please, or vote GOP just this once, or just vote for Dems on the other races in your state. Do not reward the arrogant NoBama team and their evil leader Axelrod with your precious vote. They are trying to snooker you with fireworks and bully sexism they hope you feel free to join.
I derive no schadenfreud from NoBama's panicked look. He was used to the rosy glow of the favorable spotlite and has lost that to a woman. NoBama, step off. You're likeable enough - head back to the Senate and get some work done. Pay some dues. Do some work. Show us some change that you originated. Stop talking and put away that silly homemade seal.

For AN AGGRESSIVE NEW TONE, Obama will call back the Rev. Jeremiah Wright!

Come back, Jeremiah! All is forgiven!

Our economy is literally teetering on the brink of RUIN, and we cannot afford to be distracted by this Republican drama and crappp any longer!

We have a country to RESCUE!!

Sarah- you are an embarrasment to your gender! No one should be running for this office that has to take a DAMNN crash course on foreign policy. Jesusss Man.

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If you want to live like a republican vote for a democrat.

Obama will throw a whole deck of race cards!

It's all Obama's got left, and there's nothing left to lose.

Obama will go for broke! Hail Mary!

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. Channeling her inner-ghetto, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

NO WONDER the Republicans have been hiding you Sarah!!

GO BAAAACK into Carl Rove's closet!! You need to work on memorizing more talking points before the big debate!

SHEEP:

Who are the sheep again?

80,000 people chanting "YES WE CAN"?

bsimon,

I second your comment.

I'd also add that this is about smart policy.

Is it really smart policy to create a situation where people work harder for less?

Effectively those have been GOP policies since Reagan.

Under Eisenhower we had real economic growth that also reflected a substantial growth in real wages.

Under Bush economics the game is fixed against the middle class and working families.

Some people may call that "envy". I call it rewarding cheaters.

An environment were a CEO can destroy investor wealth, employee savings and walk away with a huge compensation package is not the kind of economic environment that is good for a democracy long-term.

SHOCKING!

Michelle Shaniqua Obama's latest speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj60GCBap0

The republicans in the past years have mastered the art of ensheepelation.
Most people are sheep, whether on the left or right, they are sheep. They absorb the noises and gasses of the flock they are in.

It's fascinating to observe how successful Rove has been in manipulating this republicanism into a mass movement, providing cover for all the losers who can't find any self-esteem of their own separate from the corporate group. These people do not exist without the party, Rove is a master at this. A true Goebbels.

Facts and details and things to be known - these are just words they can be told to spew out of their mouths like they actually know what they mean.

How different really are the republicans from the democrats, I mean at the sheeple level? Look at the noises they're making here. This is all "my side over yours!" .. that's all it is. Give them words to say that fit into this simplistic mindest, and they're happy.

Their sheep state is interchangeable however. Instead of de-sheeping the electorate, the democrats are going to have to re-sheeple.

If they are successful at this, a few years from now the same screamers we see possessed of such virulent hatred for the left, will instead be screaming their hatred of the right.

Sheeple, you pathetic losers.

This Palin/McCain disaster really makes a strong case for establishing educational standards and experience benchmarks for anyone running for the office of president or VP.

If the bar is this low, then we need to look at our own standards. These people should be the BEST, most intelligent tested people we have to offer, and McCain has instead turned it into the Jerry Springer show.

DEMAND BETTER America, or don't wonder why Americans are so hated world-wide.

Black Presidential candidate NObama was created by a white-woman

Does this mean a Black Woman can create a White Presidential Candidate?

From the mouths of babes....

CBSNews.com: So you think the media is being uniquely tough on Palin now?

Mark Penn: Well, I think that the media is doing the kinds of stories on Palin that they're not doing on the other candidates. And that's going to subject them to people concluding that they're giving her a tougher time.

Posted by: Razorback | September 12, 2008 5:28 PM
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what utter b.s. the media is doing the stories on Palin that they're doing because she's hiding behind John McCain's skirts and is prohibited from talking to the media at all unless it's pre-screened and approved.

I suppose we'll have to hope that if she ever makes it to the White House, Vlad Putin and our other enemies will agree to give her their questions in advance....

The problems that the Democrats face have two related roots. One is the unrealistic idea that Bush's problems give them some kind of entitlement to victory. The other is the Obama campaign tactic to claim victory long before anyone had a chance to vote. The current close contest is a more realistic reflection of the divisions within the electorate. But the Democrats seem unprepared to deal with that reality.

Fighting with the Republican base and rallying the Democratic base are both tactics with questionable prospects to make a difference in the election outcome. Democrats need to bring voters back into the party who lost confidence in the Great Society and left the party for Ronald Reagen. For all the Democratic platitudes about change, its obvious that all many Democrats have in mind is a return to the Great Society policies of the past. Its far from clear that this Democratic vision is really in tune with the voters they need to win.

I don't agree the Obama campaign got off message or even off balance. They let their opponent overplay his hand and make serious mistakes (e.g., selecting Palin, lying repeatedly) in return for a mild bump in the polls. Then they waited for the mainstream media blowback. And then they went back and started to savage McCain lie by lie. Rope-a-dope. Palin is next, assuming she doesn't have to leave to give depositions with his husband.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_ap_poll

Howzat tuff new tone helping Obumma to rise in the polls, my dear Democrat pundits?

Iraq veteran Talks to Obama

Video will bring tears to your eyes providing you're NORMAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na509XTw3CY

Chevy - Edcated Redneck

Barack Hussein Obama background check:

Black so we dont feel guilty for being against civil rights and ending slavery: CHECK

Young and inexperiencd: CHECK

Arrogant: CHECK

Able to read teleprompter: CHECK

RACIST WIFE: CHECK

Associations with Terrorists: CHECK

Can never admit he is wrong: CHECK

and

Second coming of Jesus Christ: CHECK

Iraq veteran Talks to Obama

Video will bring tears to your eyes providing you're NORMAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na509XTw3CY

Chevy - Edcated Redneck

enough of the crap. Stop mischaracterizing Obama's stand on issues. An intellectual argument you will not win. Lies are your talking points. America deservers better. Just for kicks, how old does ms. Palin think the earth is? Does she think the answer to the new Russia is found in Revelations? Is John Mccain older than her perceived age of the solar system? I dont want my son going off to war based on ignorance and religious belief.

Obama is in real trouble. If he hits Palin hard with a "frontal assault" there will certainly be a backlash from independents and conservative democaratic voters, especially women. If Obama loses the votes of white women he simply cannot win. He cannot appeal to his base at this point and win he must move to the center. The democratic party is in crisis and it looks like they will lose another election. Obama is an attractive candidate but he has serious weaknesses that make it difficult for him to attack Govenor Palin as well. If he attacks her experience he draws attention to his own tissue paper thin resume. In addition he is not running against Palin he is running against McCain. The real problem is that Sarah Palin is a political phenomenon and she will not peak until right around November 4th and Obama has peaked and is now in steep decline. The best way for Obama to handle this is to return to his message of hope and change, delivering as many prepared speeches as possible. This is what he is good at. But he has been spending alot of time speaking off the cuff and attacking McCAin which is not his game. he needs to return to what worked before; if he doesnt he will lose and lose BIG!A new poll today revealed that he could lose the state of Washington if that happens it is over before it even started.

Mayor Bloomberg tossed his flower too. It is a pool and the flowers float in water how do you think the flowers got in the center? This is your brain this is your brain on HATE. When you put money in a pond at a mall do you toss it or lay it in the pond. You must be a republican because you guys can make black white if necessary to distort a persons character.
If you had common sense you would know our country is in trouble and the FACT is Obama has the BEST plan and McCain does nothing for the middle class. Also DEMOCRATS are more fiscally conservative this is an economic FACT. Go do some research then post because you need educating.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2008/db20080611_220050.htm

Senators Barack Obama and John McCain have begun to hammer away at each other's tax and spending programs . . .

"I've said John McCain is running to serve out a third term, but when it comes to taxes, that's not being fair to George Bush. Senator McCain wants to add $300 billion more in tax breaks and loopholes for big corporations and the wealthiest Americans," Obama said . . .

"Under Senator Obama's tax plan, Americans of every background would see their taxes rise—seniors, parents, small business owners, and just about everyone who has even a modest investment in the market," McCain said in a speech to the National Small Business Summit in Washington, also on June 10 . . .

So where does the reality lie? According to a new analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, a joint venture between the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, two Washington think tanks, this round goes to Obama. The TPC took a look at the various tax proposals put forth by the two candidates and estimated that Obama's plan would lead to a boost in aftertax income for all but the highest earners, while taking a smaller bite out of government tax revenues than would McCain's plans . . .

Under McCain's proposals, by contrast—including an extension of the Bush tax cuts for all taxpayers, a corporate tax cut, and a larger reduction in estate taxes than Obama would support—far more of the benefits would go to the top.

Iraq veteran Talks to Obama

Video will bring tears to your eyes providing you're NORMAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na509XTw3CY

Chevy - Edcated Redneck

Sarah Palin was so completely out of her league in her recent TV interview...

Your average college student could have answered Charlie's very basic questions on the Bush Doctrine, and foreign policy. She didnt even know what he was talking about!!

I am scared shytt-less if McCain is elected- it isnt even funny anymore!

Jennifer writes
"Sounds fair, I so totally believe in Class envy. After all, why should we not be envious of the rich because it is so easy to characterize them as evil beings with Republican voting cards."

Yo, Jennifer, its not about envy. Its abour removing barriers to entry for people not born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Sure, there's a romantic republican image that glamorizes the idea of pulling oneself up by one's own bootstraps. But why do we start them in such a deep hole?

Think of each citizen as a potential business. To start a business there are invariably barriers to entry. If you believe in the free market, you want to maximize competition, which will drive efficiencies up & costs down. The way to do that is to minimize barriers to entry into the market. For individuals, having a poor education is a huge barrier to entering the 'market' of being a productive member of society. Yes, some people overcome that barrier without a college degree, or even a decent high school education. But why wouldn't we want to maximize our own citizens' entry into the market by minimizing that barrier? We all benefit from having a better educated workforce, and from having people add to the economy, rather than drawing from it by turning to lives of crime, or just sucking off the teat of welfare.

Point is: its not about class warfare, its about maximizing the opportunity for moving out of the lower class into the middle and upper classes.

Palin Background Check:
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*Stupid, check.

*Corrupt, check.

*Beligerent and war mongering, check.

*Religious fanatic and reality denier, check check.

Yeah, I guess McCain DID vet her. She's a perfect fit for the Greedy Oil Party.

The MSM should LAY OFF John McCain. Don't they realize that the stress of answering their questions might cause him to have a remission of cancer? The MSM would be to blame for McCain's illness! This is intolerable!

John McCAIN. No QUESTION.

Posted by: Razorback | September 12, 2008 5:31 PM
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remission is when cancer has gone away. So if this would all give McCain a remission of skin cancer I think we would all be for that. Or are you wishing cancer upon someone.

On a side note I love how liberals make it seem like McCain has been through colon or liver or brain cancer. He had skin cancer removed and he gets great care. It will most likely never put his life in danger. Where as Obama's parents both died young, he should be checked regularly. He is too young to get sick. I hope he takes care of himself.

GALLUP: Battle for Congress Suddenly Looks Competitive...

AP: MCCAIN/PALIN UP 4...
GALLUP DAILY: UP 3...
RASMUSSEN: UP 3...

Poor NObama - He knows it's over

Chevy - Educated Redneck

Rahiq

I don't know why Obama has the mentality of a white person??? Are you kidding? Look at his resume at Obama resume.org. It is all evidence he has full intensions on supporting a specific minority in everything he does. He knows he is Black as he says "typical white person" as if it was PC to say something like that.

Listen, there is nothing wrong with a Black in America; I just hate the term African American. We are all Americans alike. I don't agree with isolating a nationality for their betterment or for their demise. We should, ideally be looking at character and goals. Obama just doesn't seem to have the same goals as most Americans--he is about a small minority as evidenced by his Resume.

Good thing that I lost my parents on 9-11, else I wouldn't have been able to support my crack habit. That 9-11 settlement check cam in handy!

(CNN) -- John McCain needs what Kinky Friedman calls "a checkup from the neck up."

In choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, he is not thinking "outside the box," as some have said. More like out of his mind.

Palin a first-term governor of a state with more reindeer than people, will have to put on a few pounds just to be a lightweight. Her personal story is impressive: former fisherman, mother of five. But that hardly qualifies her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

For a man who is 72 years old and has had four bouts with cancer to have chosen someone so completely unqualified to become president is shockingly irresponsible. Suddenly, McCain's age and health become central issues in the campaign, as does his judgment.

In choosing this featherweight, McCain passed over Tom Ridge, a decorated combat hero, a Cabinet secretary and the former two-term governor of the large, complex state of Pennsylvania. iReport.com: 'McCain pick might be a gimmick'

He passed over Mitt Romney, who ran a big state, Massachusetts; a big company, Bain Capital; and a big event, the Olympics.

He passed over Kay Bailey Hutchison, the Texas senator who is knowledgeable about the military, good on television and -- obviously -- a woman.

He passed over Joe Lieberman, his best friend in the Senate and fellow Iraq Kool-Aid drinker.

He passed over former congressman, trade negotiator and budget director Rob Portman.

And he also passed over Mike Huckabee, the governor of Arkansas.

For months, the McCainiacs have said they will run on his judgment and experience. In his first presidential decision, John McCain has shown that he is willing to endanger his country, potentially leaving it in the hands of someone who simply has no business being a heartbeat away from the most powerful, complicated, difficult job in human history.

The "first dude" aka Todd Palin finally got his well deserved subpoena today in Alaska.

Makes me wonder if the good people of Alaska weren't a whole lot happier with their previous anonymity. Now that the lid is off the GOP septic tank up there (first Stevens, now Palin), they're going to need a first class turd herder to clean this mess up.

All I can say is, "Hillary told you so." She warned that the battle for the White House would be fought in the same states they always are: Ohio, Florida, etc. But no, the Obama campaian said we will expand the map. Hmmm...how's that working out for you? She also said she was stronger in those states. So, once again, how's that working out for the Dems? I was a Hillary supporter, and now I am firmly behind McCain/ Palin. Barack Obama deserves to lose. He did not choose Hillary as his running mate. They say the first important decision you make as a presidential nominee is your choice of running mate. Obama chose wrong. He is now losing. He deserves it.

The MSM should LAY OFF John McCain. Don't they realize that the stress of answering their questions might cause him to have a remission of cancer? The MSM would be to blame for McCain's illness! This is intolerable!

John McCAIN. No QUESTION.

DID YOU SEE WHAT HE DID ON THE VIDEO AT THE 911 MEMORIAL.
IF HE WAS GOING TO BE SO ARROGANT WITH THE LAYING OF THE FLOWERS AT THE MEMORIAL, THEN WHY DID HE GO AT ALL.
I LOST MY FATHER AND MOTHER ON 911 AND I FIND THAT CLIP VERY DISTURBING

obama DISRESPECTS THE DEAD at the 911 memorial. Did you see what he did??

Razorback wrote:

WHAT THE MEDIA WON'T PRINT ABOUT OBAMA'S ENERGY PLAN:
OBAMA'S AN ILLINOIS CORN HO, FOR CORN STATE WELFARE

(YET ANOTHER WAY THAT THE DEMOCRAT'S SPEND-CRAZY
IDEAS DAMAGE ECONOMY: HUGE FOOD INFLATION, NO ENERGY
SOLUTION IN A BIG BUCKS DEFICIT-FUNDED SUBSIDY PROGRAM)

The U.S. corn ethanol biofuels program is pure evil, pure pork, and pure corrupt politics picking taxpayers pockets for no good public benefit, and Obama is all for it because it pays big $$ in subsidies to Illinois farmers, fuels the Midwestern farm boom and creates a spike in the agribusiness-agricultural commodities boom.

Groups tracking world hunger spikes and food inflation problems this year are blaming the U.S. corn ethanol program for diverting farmers from growing food into growing fuel. Global warming advocates point out that it takes more carbon, overall, to produce, distill, refine and burn corn ethanol biofuels than regular oil or natural gas. Making ethanol from corn is so inefficient that we can never use it for energy independence; we already use 25% of our national corn crop for ethanol. Finally, it costs more to use gas blended with ethanol as cars get markedly fewer miles per gallon than they do with regular 100% gas, but you pay as much at the pump for the ethanol blended gas. Motorists who know what they are doing seek out 100%, no-ethanol blend gas stations, even.

The corn ethanol biofuels program solves no problems, creates food inflation, and it's a ripoff -- a King Corn welfare program to already-flush farmers. From one pocket, the taxpayer pays massive subsidies to corn ethanol growers in farm states, while from the other pocket we pay higher prices at the grocery store for food as a result of the biofuels-caused food inflation. Meanwhile we get poorer gas mileage from ethanol blends while paying the same prices as we pay at stations that sell 100% gas.

We could solve a big chunk of our crippling economic problems this year if we do away with the corn ethanol biofuels program because of the big role that program plays in the inflation side of this years' problems.

From 2006 to 2007, 15 million new acres of corn were brought into production in the United States, contributing to the depletion of fresh water supplies and adding to agrochemical runoff from the country’s corn belt that has already created an enormous dead zone where the Mississippi River enters the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf of Mexico is an ecologically important zone; for example, serving as the breeding ground for many Atlantic species, like dolphins. The dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, caused by agricultural, sewage and industrial runoff, is expected to grow just as Bush's Environmental Protection Agency denied a petition to waive the federal ethanol mandate in the 2007 energy bill. The EPA decided not to interfere with Bush's federal ethanol mandate despite how destructive the corn ethanol programs have been environmentally.

Obama is all for corn ethanol subsidies programs and has been a staunch supporter of them. Illinois is the second largest recipient of corn ethanol farming subsidies. Obama supports corn ethanol even as there are food riots in Southeast Asia and a price-caused famine in Africa where people are starving due to world price spikes in grain.

Why doesn't the mainstream media discuss Obama's striking support for corn ethanol biofuels, which has been denounced by energy experts and economists alike, in covering the candidates' energy stands? In fact, it seems that mainstream media has stopped covering how bad and damaging the corn ethanol biofuels program is, ever since Obama's strong support for it has emerged.

John McCain, by the way, has taken a principled stand against the corn ethanol biofuels program, even though it cost him votes in Iowa. On the other hand, Obama scored his widely-acclaimed Iowa caucus victory on the back of his unscrupulous corn ethanol support that wins him critical support from special interest constituencies. The corn ethanol biofuels issues is not only an argument for McCain's energy platform over Obama's, but an example for his taking principled stands against defective federal programs that are popular with powerful special interests, that damage our economy & don't solve the problems they were intended to solve.

Bounds is an obvious liar and moron. Also, it would be McCain who couldn't accomplish any change...with a Democratic Congress, even if his claims of "reform" weren't mere cynical attempts at vote-grabbing.

Netnet,

Obama wants to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans. Most will see a cut of close to $1,000.

Posted by: JP2 | September 12, 2008 5:25 PM
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JP2...incorect they would receive a check for $1000 not a tax cut as most of those 95% pay no taxes now so they would receive a hand out.

Kinda hard to cut taxes when 40% of Americans pay NO taxes to begin with.

I agree with tax cuts for all..you know that fair thing. But raising taxes on those who make the money, drive the economy and create the jobs is a sure ticket to recession

An attack on McCain's computer illiteracy is supposed to reasonate with whom? There are lots of (particularly older) voters out there that won't think it's funny and may be very sympathetic. Attack on real issues, not do this juvenille stuff. One would think there is plenty to talk about there.

DID YOU SEE WHAT HE DID ON THE VIDEO AT THE 911 MEMORIAL.
IF HE WAS GOING TO BE SO ARROGANT WITH THE LAYING OF THE FLOWERS AT THE MEMORIAL, THEN WHY DID HE GO AT ALL.
I LOST MY FATHER AND MOTHER ON 911 AND I FIND THAT CLIP VERY DISTURBING

The best thing about John McCain is that he understands my fascination with kiddie porn.

Its about time the Dems show a back bone!

ps, why do people post as anonymous?

afraid of something?

Senator Obama is selfish because he wants a job that would allow him to assume a huge responsibility and he does it knowing that he is a poor ignorant, incompetent and coward. Our country needs a competent president. Obama is not. Obama is not morally adequate for the job. Obama is a Cancer that reflects weakness, falseness, inexperience, immaturity and innocence. Obama represents Cancer of the decadency of the democracy and Democrat party. Obama is polarizing American society, taking advantage of differences between middle and high class. Besides, his economical proposals are not viable and unfeasible.

GALLUP: Battle for Congress Suddenly Looks Competitive...

AP: MCCAIN/PALIN UP 4...
GALLUP DAILY: UP 3...
RASMUSSEN: UP 3...

Poor NObama - He knows it's over

From the mouths of babes....

CBSNews.com: So you think the media is being uniquely tough on Palin now?

Mark Penn: Well, I think that the media is doing the kinds of stories on Palin that they're not doing on the other candidates. And that's going to subject them to people concluding that they're giving her a tougher time.

Nothing like another shrill liberal Democrat politician from Chicago, hurling insults at a war hero and the first vice-presidential woman candidate to inspire trust. He is the same guy who tells Americans he will sit down with the world's tyrants and speak politely to them. This man is a complete and utter fraud. Like most liberals he over- estimates the good will of tyrants -like Howard Dean what he hates are Republicans.

anonymous coward writes
"Only a fool would pretend that the cost of doing business has no impact on where jobs are created"

If you're implying I did such a thing, I did not. But I would point out that its not just costs that drive business decisions, its the relationship between costs and benefits. This is called the cost-benefit ratio. What it means is that higher costs are sometimes worth it - if they produce higher benefits. In my earlier Minnesota example, I pointed out that we are a high tax state - i.e. high costs. BUT we are also a high benefits state - we have a well educated workforce. Businesses that need educated workforces choose to locate here rather than in low tax states like the Dakotas or Mississippi because they benefit from what we have to offer enough to offset the higher costs.

You dig?

I think you do.

Shall we modify your statement to be: "Only a fool would pretend that the cost-benefit ratio has no impact on where jobs are created." On that, I wholeheartedly agree. That's why there are jobs both in Minnesota and Mississippi. Different employers have different needs. Absolutely minimizing costs is not the only factor by which business decisions are made.

Bring on the next economics 'lesson', bytch.

We need a Rethuglican in office so we can continue DESTROYING the country. Fiscal conservatives huh? LOL WHERE! What the hell does it take to realize your administration ammased the largest debt and deficit in WORLD HISTORY? God this is a nation of fools. So sad. But hey... people get what they vote for. Why blue states have culture and great economies, and the South remains poor.

Iraq veteran Talks to Obama

Video will bring tears to your eyes providing you're NORMAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na509XTw3CY

Chevy - Edcated Redneck