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Is Palin A 2012 Contender or Pretender?



Like her or hate her, it seems likely that Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin will be back in 2012. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

As Barack Obama has maintained a steady lead over John McCain over the last few weeks in the presidential race, many political junkies have begun to look beyond 2008 to the next presidential election.

And, inevitably, that conversation begins with a debate over whether or not Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the current number two on the Republican ticket, is a serious candidate in 2012 or not.

As regular Fix readers know, we made the case following Palin's debate performance earlier this month that she had preserved her chances, and perhaps even strengthened her hand, for a presidential bid if McCain comes up short on Nov. 4.

We wrote:

"What Palin did last night is bring her own national prospects back from the brink of disaster with a performance that -- while occasionally exposing her decided lack of knowledge on certain issues -- managed to keep her star ascendant for a party that may well be looking for a new face to lead it on Nov. 5."

In the intervening two weeks, Palin has hinted -- to our mind -- that she is almost assured to be a presidential candidate if the GOP ticket comes up short in 14 days.

To wit: Palin's guest appearance on "Saturday Night Live" last weekend is not the sort of thing a candidate without any future interest in national office would do. And her repeated assertions (often made on conservative talk radio) that she would be more aggressive in prosecuting the case against Obama and his associates and that she supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage seem aimed at ensuring voters, particularly those of a conservative bent, that they know where she stands.

And so, given all of that, we were intrigued to read a piece by our former Post colleague Tom Edsall (now at HuffPo) over the weekend titled: "The Palin Plunge: Voters Sour on McCain VP Pick."

In it, Edsall details myriad examples that make the case that Palin has not worn well among the general electorate and that she has hamstrung McCain on a number of fronts, from newspaper endorsement to the courting of Jewish voters in Florida. (And, although Edsall's piece was penned before former Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed Obama on Sunday, Powell's belief that Palin was not qualified to be president and led him to question McCain's judgment fits perfectly with Edsall's thesis.)

In the closing graphs of his piece, Edsall references our take on Palin's chances in 2012 and concludes: "That luster has, however, come off and -- despite Democrats privately cheering her on -- Palin's future as a national politician now appears likely to be damaged."

As evidence, Edsall cites Palin's declining poll numbers as well as the disapproval with which she has been greeted by members of the conservative intelligentsia (he quotes a column written by Peggy Noonan) in recent weeks.

To our mind, the fact that Palin's number have faltered among the general electorate and that some in the conservative chattering class have soured on her only strengthens her profile among rank and file conservatives come 2012.

In late September polling by the Post (the last time we asked detailed questions of voter attitudes on Palin) nearly nine in ten (87 percent) Republicans and 84 percent of conservatives felt favorably toward her. More than six in ten felt "strongly" favorable.

And, in contrast to the defections in some circles McCain has seen (and Edsall detailed) following the Palin pick, Republicans and conservatives, by and large, believe her selection demonstrated the strength of McCain's decision-making process, according to a Post tracking poll released yesterday.

More than seven in ten Republicans and just under that number of self-identified "conservatives" said McCain's choice of Palin made them more confident in the kind of decisions he'd make as president.

In most presidential primaries, the candidate most in line with the conservative or liberal base of their party winds up winning. (McCain was an exception to that rule; Obama was not.) Palin is clearly OF the conservative base in a real and meaningful way; they view her as their first real spokesperson on the national stage in recent memory -- perhaps since Ronald Reagan. It's hard to imagine those feelings going away because she has not worn well with either moderate and independent minded voters of the conservative media.

And, for those who argue that questions of electability in a general election will dog Palin if and when she is a candidate for president, we say pish-posh.

Primary voters almost never vote strategically -- they vote their hopes, dreams and beliefs. Hillary Rodham Clinton gained almost no traction against Obama in the primary with the line of attack that Republicans would rip the Illinois senator to shreds and if Obama is elected in two weeks time the "electability" argument may be put out to pasture for some time to come.

In short: Like her or hate her, Palin remains VERY much in the mix as a 2012 candidate.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 21, 2008; 4:05 PM ET
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I have spent 15 years working abroad promoting democratic principles in countries like Zaire, Congo, East Timor, Sudan and Haiti where the lack of competent leadership in government has lead to massive suffering by the population. Am I, as an American, going to be able to credibly endorse a candidate who thinks that the VP runs the senate or that seeing another country from one's backyard constitutes foreign policy experience ? No way! I am actually embarrassed to discuss politics with any of my friends after one of the two major political parties in the strongest democracy in the world made such a horrendous mistake.

Let us, please, not continue to mistake the second most important position in our government (and arguably in the world) with running for "American Idol". Please America keep us from being the laughing stock once again. No insanity in 2012!!

Posted by: nick13 | October 26, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I have spent 15 years working abroad promoting democratic principles in countries like Zaire, Congo, East Timor, Sudan and Haiti where the lack of competent leadership in government has lead to massive suffering by the population. Am I, as an American, going to be able to credibly endorse a candidate who thinks that the VP runs the senate or that seeing another country from one's backyard constitutes foreign policy experience ? No way! I am actually embarrassed to discuss politics with any of my friends after one of the two major political parties in the strongest democracy in the world made such a horrendous mistake.

Let us, please, not continue to mistake the second most important position in our government (and arguably in the world) with running for "American Idol". Please America keep us from being the laughing stock once again. No insanity in 2012!!

Posted by: nick13 | October 26, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I have spent 15 years working abroad promoting democratic principles in countries like Zaire, Congo, East Timor, Sudan and Haiti where the lack of competent leadership in government has lead to massive suffering by the population. Am I, as an American, going to be able to credibly endorse a candidate who thinks that the VP runs the senate or that seeing another country from one's backyard constitutes foreign policy experience ? No way! I am actually embarrassed to discuss politics with any of my friends after one of the two major political parties in the strongest democracy in the world made such a horrendous mistake.

Let us, please, not continue to mistake the second most important position in our government (and arguably in the world) with running for "American Idol". Please America keep us from being the laughing stock once again. No insanity in 2012!!

Posted by: nick13 | October 26, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Palin Wants Your Respect & Vote...in 2012

Respect is earned, just as status and promotions to a higher office. It is based on merit and capabilities. I find it very hard to respect a woman simply because she is a woman especially if she is vacuous poppet of her own doing.

Now it seems Sara Palin is blaming everyone else for her demise instead of concluding she is simply too green for such an important task as VP of America. But this is no surprise reading her dossier and past political moves, she has been noted to bite the hand that feeds her. The reality is the McCain team stated and I'm paraphrasing, that it the hardest challenge for Palin was to get her up to speed with current affairs, Palin proved she was unable to absorb information as it was given to her.

Then again, was Palin ever really fit for any office? After all, this was a woman who hired a managerial team when taking the Governor's office when she said she wouldn't - they in turned did her job for her. She then went on to "work at home" (e.g. with Todd to conceive their 5th child) and billed the taxpayers for it. She has hubby, Todd Palin attend every council meeting with her, as well as being including in all the Governor's emails and errands - another odd move. Prior to that as Mayor she spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office without council's authorization, the red wallpaper many mocked made the office look like a bordello. These, on top of all the questionable, par diems and it is no wonder her fame finally soured.

Mrs. Palin, accept your self-appointed victim hood, stop blaming the media, the team that tried to sell you to America, Senator McCain, your intelligent Republican rivals.

Palin, you’re the one who failed McCain and sadly it is McCain that failed America when he chose you.

Posted by: RepublicanAlternative | October 26, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Since when has Peggy Noonan--an inside-the-beltway liberal--ever been a conservative? Cizilla clearly hasn't watched Morning Joe lately. Noonan (who is totally in love with her own voice) rarely says anything worth listening to or reading. Like so many RINOs, she looks down on what she calls "red meat conservatives". One thing is for sure--she's found a home on MSNBC!

Gov. Palin should pay a visit to Gov. Jindal in Louisiana and spend some time with him to see if he would be interested in a Palin-Jindal ticket in 2012. Jindal is a highly respected leader in the South. It would be a young ticket (Jindal will be 41 and Palin 48). It would be the first all-conservative ticket since Goldwater-Miller (although Miller was hardly a conservative compared to Goldwater). The key is YOUTH, something Juan McCain doesn't have and hasn't had for a long time. Remember Lloyd Bentsen? He looked even older than McCain. Americans don't want Gramps at the helm! Why haven't the GOP muck-e-mucks figured that out? After Bush 41, Dole and McCain, one would think they would have.

Posted by: levotb1 | October 25, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

"Who cares, indies hate her and so do the dems. That makes it hard to get elected."

As do many thinking Republicans. Buckley, for instance. And David Brooks calls her a "cancer" on the Republican party. I think Brooks is very much looking toward 2012 when he uses that word to describe her.

Posted by: hewhoasks | October 25, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Tonya Harding faded...

Posted by: hewhoasks | October 25, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Sarah is so delusional she certainly must believe the GOP ticket in 2012 should be:

Palin-Palin

Posted by: nlersch | October 25, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh my--such blather about nothing; November 4 will send Sarah Palin back to Alaska and back to obscurity!

Posted by: WI-Simone | October 25, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Pretender, for two reasons.

1. She wouldn't last two weeks in a primary contest against the best of her own party. Every other Republican contender would "suddenly" discover all of her corruption and total lack of knowledge and push it to the max. She'd have to face debates, interviews, press conferences, the works. Her candidacy would melt like in igloo in the amazon.

2. She will be the next conservative media rock star, and will make more money at it than any of the current crop. Like Limbaugh, who would have her same problems as a candidate, she will rally her rabid, fringe, base from a safe perch outside the actual fray - and have all the fame and money she craves without all the hassles.

Posted by: NomoStew | October 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I am jaw-droppingly amazed at all of the republicans/admirers who paid many many thousands of dollars, maybe hundreds of thousands, on their own education, and who may be spending 5 times as many thousands on their own children's education, who desire their own children to surpass them in intelligence and knowledge, who, in the end stretch here, are SUPPORTING this so very obviously shallow puppet, who mimics tag lines she hears and repeats, repeats, repeats, repeats, repeats, gasp-choke-regurgitate, and repeats, until a new catch phrase comes along to hash over and over. There is no substance in any of her words and very few real and exact answers to any of the few questions she's been asked. She is a cheerleader who is rah rah-ing many of populace who are uneducated, many who think she's just damn cute, many who are prejudiced against every ethnicity except a white ticket, to gather around her and be "friends" with her only to win this election and the next one that you speculate she is prepping for in 2012. She has much in common with everyday uneducated Joe as her 8th grade gossip tactics are proving to be very successful in gathering like-minded junior high mindsets to her. But, I am still greatly amazed at all the surprisingly educated people who think she is a breath of fresh air. That breath of fresh air needs an application of a couple breath mints for some of us out here in the pockets of America that aren't real.
The 2008 election is definitely activating many people to get up and make a difference and I am breathing a sigh of fresh air relief at so much resistance to this Republican ticket foolishness.

Posted by: cindymarie | October 25, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Bet the Dems would like to run against her.

** wait--they are.

Posted by: T-Prop | October 25, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

This is the information age, and if your index finger can't find Pakistan on a map, you sure as hell aren't qualified to teach the first grade, never mind run the world.

Plus, she's not very nice.

Sarah Palin is proof that men make even the most important decisions, for their family, their business, their country, with their netherparts.

Nice try McCain. You're done.

Posted by: ngeisler | October 24, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was a perfect example of John McCain's bad judgement. How can anyone think she'd be likely to be elected ANYTIME, much less 2012?

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a perfect representative of Republican party values. It is difficult if not impossible to see how a party espousing totally free markets, unilateral preemptive strikes,racial hatred, corruption and religous bigotry can be viable by 2102 much less 2012.
Sarah Palin AND her Republi-bubbas and bubbettes are, hopefully gone forever along with Tom Delay,Trent Lott, Mitch McConnell, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, etc ad infinitum.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a Republi-bubba's fantasy. Hand one a spit cup and ask his opinion and you'll hear she'll look good sittin' next to him on the truck's front seat under the rifle rack or stretched out nude on the hood of the truck. He'll tell you, I can take her anywhere -- dog fights, NASCAR, huntin', frog stickin'-- anywhere and she not only fits right in, everybody around her feels comfortable.
Problem is, the Republi-bubbas are somewhat endangered politically and as more and more tire of sleeping under bridges or shipping containers or sidelined freight cars, they'll reform and scrape the Confederate flags from their truck windows.
By 2012, there should be a growing, viable third party, composed of a combination of moderate Democrats and higher IQ Repubs and the fringes of both party will be where they belong -- on the margin.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a Republi-bubba's fantasy. Hand one a spit cup and ask his opinion and you'll hear she'll look good sittin' next to him on the truck's front seat under the rifle rack or stretched out nude on the hood of the truck. He'll tell you, I can take her anywhere -- dog fights, NASCAR, huntin', frog stickin'-- anywhere and she not only fits right in, everybody around her feels comfortable.
Problem is, the Republi-bubbas are somewhat endangered politically and as more and more tire of sleeping under bridges or shipping containers or sidelined freight cars, they'll reform and scrape the Confederate flags from their truck windows.
By 2012, there should be a growing, viable third party, composed of a combination of moderate Democrats and higher IQ Repubs and the fringes of both party will be where they belong -- on the margin.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a Republi-bubba'a fantasy. Hand one a spit cup and ask his opinion and you'll hear she'll look good sittin' next to him on the truck's front seat under the rifle rack or stretched out nude on the hood of the truck. He'll tell you, I can take her anywhere -- dog fights, NASCAR, huntin', frog stickin'-- anywhere and she not only fits right in, everybody around her feels comfortable.
Problem is, the Republi-bubbas are somewhat endangered politically and as more and more tire of sleeping under bridges or shipping containers or sidelined freight cars, they'll reform and scrape the Confederate flags from their truck windows.
By 2012, there should be a growing, viable third party, composed of a combination of moderate Democrats and higher IQ Repubs and the fringes of both party will be where they belong -- on the margin.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a Republi-bubba'a fantasy. Hand one a spit cup and ask his opinion and you'll hear she'll look good sittin' next to him on the truck's front seat under the rifle rack or stretched out nude on the hood of the truck. He'll tell you, I can take her anywhere -- dog fights, NASCAR, huntin', frog stickin'-- anywhere and she not only fits right in, everybody around her feels comfortable.
Problem is, the Republi-bubbas are somewhat endangered politically and as more and more tire of sleeping under bridges or shipping containers or sidelined freight cars, they'll reform and scrape the Confederate flags from their truck windows.
By 2012, there should be a growing, viable third party, risen from the combination of moderate Democrats and higher IQ Repubs and the fringes of both party will be where they belong -- on the margin.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin will not be viable in '12. The country will be in recovery in two years, and Americans will see that serious politicians will have achieved legislation that helps workers.
Palin will just be accepted as a goofy antic of the 2008 election year. Her time in the spotlight is up

Posted by: sperrico | October 24, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

How long will the GOP have to wait until Palin's daughter is old enough to run for President?

Posted by: hamishdad | October 24, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

hahaha this has to be a joke.

If she runs for president in 2012 and gets the GOP nod then the GOP should pretty much admit defeat in all things politics and the U.S. citizens should pack up their bags because their country would pretty much signal they are done being legit in the world.

She is one of the dumbest people I have ever seen in that type of position and if Americans think the world laughs at them now with George W as president wait until you have someone like Palin running for it. THE WOMAN HAS NO CLUE OF PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

It is remarkable how much the U.S has fallen and become a joke to the rest of the world. Sadly, most Americans probably fail to see this because they are too busy watching reality TV and other stuff designed to create stupidity.

I swear, it is as if this is some alternate universe because I can't believe in the real world people can see someone like this palin woman and actually support her. Or better yet, it is as if the current state of the world (and more specifically the state of the U.S.) is some gigantic Punk'd skit and Ashton Kutcher is about to pop out and prove to me that humans really have regressed to this level. Are some humans just basically saying they are ready to throw in the towel and give up on the world/life and make a joke of things?

Posted by: loregnum | October 24, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Women of America Unite!
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!

Women must unite against the liberal media vicious, sexist, cruel, demeaning, contemptuous UN-AMERICAN, unfair, unprofessional, unrelenting and blatantly biased treatment against Vice President Sarah Palin and acting blatantly in favor of Barack Hussein Obama during this unprecedented historic quest for the presidency!

Barack Hussein Obama claims a mightier throne, one forged in liberal ideals of justice and equality and hope, BUT he has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent. Obama supporters seem very happy with the sexist way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by Sarah Palin, and many believe that most of the "venom" in the campaign is coming from supporters of Obama.

Women of America Unite in this defining moment in American history. To ensure we can grow up from the male dominated government that has caused many of the problems our country is facing; to a country where men and women are equal partners in governance.

Women of America Unite
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!
VOTE for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 21, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

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WOW! Equal rights for Women in America! Is it possible? When Sarah is President I think she must work on that issue. It's time that women got a fair deal.

Posted by: sarah4pres | October 24, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

She wasn't a serious candidate in 2008; why should anyone take her seriously in 2012?

Posted by: Achenblogcurmudgeon | October 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse
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Ha Ha? Funny Dummy. But Sarah is VP candidate in 2008 not Pres Candidate. In 2012 she will be Pres Candidate and folks will fall at her feet in adoration! You silly Obama people will be even more enraged than you are now!

Posted by: sarah4pres | October 24, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is an amazing person. She has such charisma that people are drawn to her and once drawn they stick. Everywhere she goes she gets record crowds and she creates massive interest.
Obama supporters hate Sarah with a passion because she has enough mega-star power to win the Presidency in 2012.
Republicans love her because she is brave and strong just the way a leader should be. The disgusting crap that Obama supporters bash her with every day is all the motivation Sarah needs to keep going. Sarah knows that these grubs hate her because she is a genuine threat and a top Contender for the Presidency.
Go Girl!

Posted by: sarah4pres | October 24, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is an amazing person. She has such charisma that people are drawn to her and once drawn they stick. Everywhere she goes she gets record crowds and she creates massive interest.
Obama supporters hate Sarah with a passion because she has enough mega-star power to win the Presidency in 2012.
Republicans love her because she is brave and strong just the way a leader should be. The disgusting crap that Obama supporters bash her with every day is all the motivation Sarah needs to keep going. Sarah knows that these grubs hate her because she is a genuine threat and a top Contender for the Presidency.
Go Girl!

Posted by: sarah4pres | October 24, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin in 2011, its bad enough we have her to consider in 2008 and I am not being crass.

If the polls hold up, this will be a landslide for the Democrats and a humiliating defeat for the Republicans. Under the best of circumstances the Republicans are quick to thrown their own under a bus, Sarah Palin will be Republican Road Kill.

Unlike Dan Quayle who just faded away, Princess Sarah will have to survive an election as Governor and the cards are stacked against her. There will more than likely be a Primary challenge, and given that 10 Republicans trashed her in the ethics report, are support to the extent it may exist is a mile wide and an inch deep.

No I am afraid our Princess Sarah will not be going to the ball, will not be headed for any castle but may turn up on Fox or access hollywood as a hostess.


Posted by: oldgeek143 | October 23, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I found this amazing Sarah Palin calendar online today, they are just $15.95, and will make a great gift! They are on amazon.com or you can go to sarahcalendar.com, check them out, they look awesome!

Posted by: LindseySpinelli | October 23, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I think looking to Sarah Palin's future on the national scene is premature. She has a lot to answer for when she returns to Alaska. First there is "trooperate", it is an ethics violation that will not go away.
There is the matter of back taxes she will owe on the travel and per diem allowances she misused and did not report accurately.
Then there is the matter of who really paid for the construction of her new house in Wasilla. It appears as though the same contractor who screwed Stevens, also paid for some construction at Palin's house. Then there is the environmental disaster she is to the state and the nation. She supports the destruction of salmon fishing waters, in favor of a single mining operation. Seems that many natives would lose their livelihoods, if she continues on that path. Also, her Wasilla real estate tax fiasco will begin to surface as will the fact that after supplying natural gas to native Alaskans, Palin wants to export the balance of the natural gas supply to Japan instead of the US. Would you call that Anti-American?

Posted by: CarmanK | October 23, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

The five former heads of state who support McCain--Henry Kissinger, James Baker, George Shultz, Alexander Haig, and Laurence Eagleburger--declared their support back in January 2008, seven months McCain selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. So the question arises: Would these men have supported McCain had they known who his running mate would be? Have they made public their opinion of Sarah Palin? Do they think she's qualified to serve as VP?

C. Navarro

Posted by: Carlossss | October 23, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

It is unbelievable to me that Obama and the liberal media has decieved all of you bloggers. I have read so many entries on this website portraying Sarah Palin as a radical right winger. But does anyone stop and realize Obama's policies or experience? How on earth is Obama more qualified than Sarah Palin to be president? This is absurd! Obama hasn't run anything!! He's been a senetor for not even four years yet and most of that time was spent campaigning not to mention voting present 130 times. He thinks he can tax small buisnesses to redistribute the wealth and save our economy. Anyone know what happens when small buissnesses are tax-burdened? They fire employees. Obama is the least experienced candidate and it seems everyone is buying into Olberman's lies.
Sarah's got my vote in 2012.

Posted by: bargsly7 | October 22, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Thats the silliest idea I've heard...

When are we going to begin demanding higher standards in positions of power?

This is a media circus of incompetence, shouldn't being a president require knowing what a VP actually does?

Palin dosen't know that a VP does not preside over the senate, yet she was picked by McCain as a VP candidate?

Government is overrun by nepotism and incompetence already. Do we want someone who promises more of the same? If she runs, I'm going to start thinking of moving to another country, America should be ashamed to even ask this question...

Posted by: jack5 | October 22, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Pretender. Failed VP candidates usually don't become meaningful future presidential candidates (see: Lieberman, Kemp, Quayle, Ferraro). Failed VP candidates that were "in the mix" (Edwards, Mondale) had considerably more experience to offer than does Palin. This will become clear when the current hype subsides, and Gov. Palin fades into relative obscurity as a curious historical footnote. Or, alternatively, a 2012 Palin presidential candidacy would signal the end of the GOP as a relevant political party.

Posted by: jetchs | October 22, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

From the day that McCain pushed her out on the national political stage, she is a pretender. She'll be nothing more. She'll go the way of Dan Quayle. I still think that she can coach beauty contestants.

Posted by: EarlC | October 22, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Pretender

Posted by: rcc_2000 | October 22, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

So Chris will you support Allen/Palin? Or is that Palin/Allen?!! What an embarrassment!

Posted by: tjallen | October 22, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

After the landslide Republican LOSS, Sarah's cachet will be gone. Can't wait to see the Republicans shredding each other after the great November embarrassment!

Posted by: tjallen | October 22, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Mooselini is obviously incapable of chewing gum and watching the Jerry Springer show at the same time:

"Senior officials of Russian energy company Gazprom, including personal associates of Vladimir Putin, met in Anchorage with Alaska's Department of Natural Resources to discuss investing in energy projects in the state. Governor Sarah Palin said that she did not know about the meeting." ~ Harper's Weekly Review.

Posted by: pali2500 | October 22, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

This is such nonsense it's difficult to know where to begin. Most in touch with the liberal or conservative base? Are you suggesting that, say, the "liberal" base who supported Clinton or the moderate republican base who supported Bush1 or even W1 is analogous to the fringe, right-wing presumed 'base' who supports Palin? What happened to Bush1 when he welcomed such screamers onto the stage? You can't get your fantasies of Reagan (big government, big deficits, big payouts to the rich) out of your head.

Posted by: dane1 | October 22, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wins, and wins by a substantial margin, the Republican coalition will be officially dead. An extreme conservative choice in 2012 will be the dumbest move. You guys are losing Brooks, Will, Powell.... Moderate republicans and indies will become democrats. The population is changing. Reaganism is dead.

Posted by: AB68 | October 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

In 2012 the GOP will be desperate for a competent, experienced, staunchly conservative candidate. That candidate will be SC popular governor, Mark Sanford; three terms in congress, voted most conservative, and a two term governor in the state who traditionally picks the primary winner. Mark just might ask Palin to be his VP pick.

Posted by: palmetto | October 22, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

So, looks like the Washington Post thinks Biden would be a legitimate choice for 2012. OMG

Posted by: thebink | October 22, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

What... you don't think Romney, Huckabee, Jindal will bring up the Alaskan Independence Party, at every juncture? They could easily erode her support of the base if they did an "expose" (ala Bachman) on the Palin's participation within the AIP. Palin will have an uphill battle, especially because Republican will do what the Democrats did in 2004, elect a politician who can appeal to the center. That will have to be their strategy. I say Romney trounces Palin in 2012.


Posted by: AB68 | October 22, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Palin/Jindal and Obama/Biden in 2012 --- now that would be an interesting race."

Bring 'em ON!!!

Posted by: RealCalGal | October 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe she can go to saks and buy some brains during the next 4 years...

Posted by: mbolack | October 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Democrat and Hillary voter for Palin!"

Does not compute.

If you're a Democrat, you're a liberal anti-American socialist communist.

If you like Palin, you're a real American.

A real American cannot be anti-American, liberal, socialist, or communist.

Therefore, a Democrat cannot be for Palin.

You may be REGISTERED as a Democrat, but if you're for Palin, you're a DINO.

Posted by: RealCalGal | October 22, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Failin' Pailin a serious candidate for 2012?
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Posted by: m1ke_h | October 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The issue that really matters here is in which direction the GOP goes after November 4.

Assuming the likely outcome--Obama wins, the Democrats control both houses of Congress--there will be reorganization of the remaining GOP. The question is whether they will conclude that they need to return (retreat?) to 'core' conservative principles or try to be more inclusive and moderate.

In the likely event that they come to the first conclusion, Palin will be a very viable candidate in 2012.

Posted by: micron26 | October 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I find it delicious that the Republican Party's plan of dumbing down the electorate has finally taken a toll on..TA-DA....itself! The brain-drain happening as we type is not just the Buckley/Parker/Will/Powell, etc. etc. decampment, but it's also the Republican base. Those who are left are a pretty sad sight indeed.

Posted by: blosmurph | October 22, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

onestring said:
"Maybe Palin can succeed in splitting the republican party? The religious fundamentalist wing-nuts, secessionists, facists, and millitia folks following Palin. "

But wait, aren't the Evangelicals supposed to be very supportive of Israel? And aren't the secessionists and militias, and KKK and other assorted armed idiots are all anti-Semitic? You know, they all believe in the conspiracy of Jewish bankers, and AIPAC, etc. So, who's the base of the Republican Party, really?

Also, here's juicy morsel for you all, one you'll never hear from the blow-dried smiling puppet circus that passes for news in America.

One of important reasons that Barack Obama is very sympathetic toward Israel is because Israel and Kenya (the land of Obama's father's birth) have had an excellent, highly lucrative and very cordial relationship for many years.
One of the reasons why Kenya is one of the
more prosperous and stable countries in Africa (apart from British civilizing influence and 78% Christian population) is its success in tropical agriculture made possible in large part by help from Israeli agricultural experts.

So, if the GOP surrogates here try to suggest Obama's hidden hostility toward Israel, it's total B.S. Obama's got first-hand knowledge of Israel, through her deeds in his father's native country. He's got his own mind and doesn't have to listen to people like Jesse JAckson, Al Sharpton, and esp. that degenerate, Louis Farakkhan

Posted by: VMR1 | October 22, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The question is not whether Sarah Palin will be there in 2012 - it is whether the GOP will.

Posted by: michaelbindner | October 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

sarah palin is no more than a flash in the pan.as the republicans begin to mount a plan in 2011 to run against president obama sarah palin will be a footnote in history.

Posted by: ronaldtennillegeorgia1 | October 22, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please! This is Palin's "Famous for twenty seconds" moment. She doesn't have the, umm, gravitas, to pop up again. I promise to eat my words, but I doubt that this will happen. No matter what political beliefs we have as voters and Americans, nobody wants ignorant leaders. Palin has shown herself, in uncountable ways,to be profoundly ignorant of how American government works, what's going on in the world, ad infinitum. You'd think, after embarrassing herself by declaring she didn't know the role of a VP, that she'd read up on it before telling a young person on a Colorado radio show that the VP's job is to run the senate. Yes, it's great to be "spunky" and cute, etc., but nobody can take a dim intellect seriously for a high level political office. The GOP should have spent that 150,000 clothing allowance on something more substantial. Palin was given voice lessons to tone down her shrill voice. Come on, boys, how 'bout focusing on substance, not image? Palin is a shallow person, and I don't think Americans, in the long run, are OK with this.

Posted by: diahni | October 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

sherrellstover said:
"It's really weird that 150 thou would be "real news" when Obamma lied to the tune of millions upon millions and broke his word when he said that he would take public financing."
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Wow, no sooner McSchmendrik blasted the disclosure of the cost of SP's duds as unimportant in the face of the crises facing the country, his trained guinea pigs start shmearing these blogs with the GOP talking points. Effin', robots!


Posted by: VMR1 | October 22, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Democrat and Hillary voter for Palin!

Posted by: lynnL123

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Whatever.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It's really weird that 150 thou would be "real news" when Obamma lied to the tune of millions upon millions and broke his word when he said that he would take public financing. Guess it's okay with you that you are sold your next president. Typical and common of you.

Posted by: sherrellstover | October 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The facts are: the GOP monied elite and intellectual elite can't stand her. That's why McCain can't raise the funds for this campaign in the final stretch. Her next stint will be to run for Senate. In that post, maybe she'll learn a few things about the real America.

See ya, Sarah.

Posted by: gottabeanon1 | October 22, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

How about Palin 2012 for the Alaskan Independence Party? Hahah.

Posted by: hijikatatoshizo | October 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

So, as an atheist I need to ask what God do I pray to to insure that Palin remains the figurehead of the Republican party for four more years?

Oh please, oh please. Run for 2012. Start in December, Ms. Palin. Don't wait those bothersome three years to think it over.

Posted by: williams1 | October 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully she'll try to be a contender so the educated republicans bolt the party and the wingnuts are left on their own, identified as the wack-jobs that they are.

I had hoped that when Buchannon took over Ross Perot's party the wingnuts would follow him but it didn't happen.

Maybe Palin can succeed in splitting the republican party? The religious fundamentalist wing-nuts, secessionists, facists, and millitia folks following Palin.

...The honorable conservatives leaving their dead weight behind (the educated conservatives have always cut a deal with the devil to have these people in the base anyway)

It would be a great help to America if she did!

Posted by: onestring | October 22, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree that she could get the Republican nomination in 2012, but that would only lead to a landslide defeat in the General. An overlooked aspect of Palin has been the myriad of scandals brewing about her time in office. Few people seem to care about these scandals because she and the McCain ticket have been largely written-off by everyone except for the die-hards. If she were to get the nomination in 2012, these scandals could not be so easily dismissed and she would go down in flames.

Can you even imagine Palin having to debate Obama 3 times and having to go on the interview circuit repeatedly? She has benefited enormously from the low bar that has been set for her - if she gets the 2012 nomination, the bar will not be set so low anymore.

Posted by: NMModerate1 | October 22, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Does the name "Dan Quayle" mean anything to you? He was once the future bright young face of the GOP. How's that workin' out?

Posted by: franklinmjohnson | October 22, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

SherryKay2004 posted on Oct. 22, 2008 9:40 AM
“the GOP will become a Huge Moderate Majority Party again.”

What are you wishing for????
Republican’s do not want to be an all-inclusive moderate party!!!!
The GOP is built on single issues, deficits don’t matter, greed is good, anti-education, health care to the highest bidding insurance company, anti-regulation, a Wal-mart economy!!!

Posted by: knjincvc | October 22, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Palin is going to be an interesting figure in the years to come. I personally hope she is never elected to any national office and stays in Alaska. But, should she decide to continue that attempt, what she needs to do is appeal to the other half of the Republican party - the half not represented by evangelicals and hockey moms. She should bone up on foreign policy and economic affairs and give writing an op ed or two here and there a shot, commenting on national goings on. Appearing in main stream media outlets, whether she likes them or not, will give her more credibility among a broader audience.

I doubt she does any of this though since her actions would indicate she is far more interested in power than she is in leading.

Posted by: waterwarior84 | October 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse


pccu posted on Oct. 22, 2008 10:52 AM
"After Barack Obama runs this country into the ground, people will be begging for someone like Mitt Romney to come in a cleanup the mess. We are looking at very hard times over the next four years and Americans will want a serious candidate with serious experience. No more Obama and definitely no more Palin."

Hee Hee! Finally a republican admits cheney/bush has totally FUZZED-UP the economy!!!

But!! Guess what! McCain, Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee, Hunter, Tancredo, Brownback, Gilmore, Fred Thompson represent more of the same failed cheney/bush policies as well as failed republican ideologies!!

The ONLY republican candidate with smarts was Tommy Thompson!

As for Senator Obama running the country into the ground!!!

Are you saying cheney/bush hasn't done enough damage to the economy, military, foreign policy!!!!

Don't give up sport cheney/bush still has 3 more months to FUZZ-UP what is left of the USA.

Things are definitely going to get worse over the next 2-3 years thanks to the PARTY OF GREED!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: knjincvc | October 22, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The problem with Palin is that the more her "experience" is examined, the more it stinks.

She has the experience of using her political power to reward her friends & punish her enemies. She ran up a huge debt in Wasilla, which they will still be paying off in 2012. As mayor, she made rape victims pay for their own forensic rape kits. She used private e-mail for her public duties. She has been secretive, misleading and has gone back on her word (ie cooperating with the legislative committee investigating her actions).

Her big accomplishment supposedly is getting a gas pipeline built and saying no to a Bridge to Nowhere. Well, the pipeline probably won't be built. She kept the money for the Bridge to Nowhere and built a road to access it.

She has been filmed in religious functions that most people would call creepy.

Her family drama is tailor-made for the tabloids. She has a body-double in Tina Fey, who will continue to use it to good effect.

All of this came out in 8 weeks of being in the national spotlight. What will 4 yrs of being in the national spotlight bring out?

As a Dem, I'm looking forward to her being nominated in 2012. She is a sure looser.

She was a big fish in a very little pond. Now she is swimming in the ocean and everyone, especially intrepid reporters, realize she is baitfish. Go gobble her up!

Posted by: cyberfool | October 22, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

In 4 years, you can put a new or different lipstick on a pig (PALIN) but she is still a pig!

Posted by: dineshbajajn | October 22, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I doubt that industry can produce enough 'smart pills'.

Posted by: yamamah | October 22, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Palin evokes a very negative feeling among democrats just like Hillary does with Right Wingers. This reduces her chances of winning any national office because she will bring out the worst in her opponents. She should go back to her far off state or some small town in Alaska and hide for rest of her life. Good riddance can't come any sooner for her!

Posted by: dineshbajajn | October 22, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Palin is more likely to be seen in Playboy then in the Oval Office.

Her political views are outdated. The republican party is all but over.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 22, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

While Palin will have more experience on her side in 4 years (I'm sure that she will assiduously start padding her resume with more foreign trips in the interim), she would still have to get through the primaries! For all the right's kvetching about her treatment by the press, the truth is that she's gotten off easy. Biden and Obama won't touch her. Romney and the others will tear her to pieces without hesitation. Be certain, they're honing their attacks already...

Posted by: youba | October 22, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Democrat and Hillary voter for Palin!

Posted by: lynnL123 | October 22, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Sherry Kay, stop shrieking and start thinking. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be voting.

Posted by: bokonon13 | October 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Just like Obama who had no experience, Palin has charisma. She will be back with more experience.....after the next 4 "Carter" years.

Posted by: ca67klein | October 22, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"they view her as their first real spokesperson on the national stage in recent memory -- perhaps since Ronald Reagan."

Extreme right republican voters do need a choice to lead their party, let it be Sarah Palin!!!!!!

Republican's as a party have become Soooo narrow it only represents single issue christianist's, rabid anti-taxers, isolationists, anti-education, anti-infrastructure, anti-health care voters.

Republican's need another cheerleader and Sarah Palin is the best choice!!

Posted by: knjincvc | October 22, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Puh-leez. Two weeks from now she'll head back to Alaska and never be heard from again. And that's as it should be.

Posted by: Junior3 | October 22, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Say it ain't this, Chris!

Palin in 2012?! I think you political junkies are getting way ahead of yourselves.

First and foremost, Palin AIN'T Hillary!

A significant part of why Hillary garnered such broad and strong support in the primaries was due to the successful presidential terms of Bill Clinton.

Let's be real here. The problem with Palin is that many people don't think she is smart enough to be president. Unless she does some great things in Alaska or elsewhere in the public forum over the next 4 years, she will go down like Geradine Ferraro and end up being a FOX NEWS analyst or have her own FOX TV show, i.e. remembrance of Huckabee!

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 22, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"After Barack Obama runs this country into the ground, people will be begging for someone like Mitt Romney to come in a cleanup the mess. We are looking at very hard times over the next four years and Americans will want a serious candidate with serious experience. No more Obama and definitely no more Palin."

Who is this idiot? How much further into the ground can the Repub's take us? To even consider Palin is to permananetly religate the Repub's to 2nd place. So go ahead, place this fool on the Repub ticket, you will never see another Repub president.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008/2012

Posted by: xxx1 | October 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The sad thing about Palin is that like Bush, like McCain, there's nothing Country First about her !!! She is a novice pretender and a very poor actress. She is a great plus for Democrats in 2012. When they get ready to run Jeb Bush, the base will come totally unhinged and divided and it will open the door for a Mike Huckabee who is much more Christian, much more conservative and much more of a straightalker. That will be the only hope for the Republicans. If they continue to run Mitt, Rudy and the usual losers they are continuing to put up, the only jobs that their veteran elders like Bennett and Gingrich can fill are once every four years on CNN. Republicans need new blood and going back to the racist, sexist, anti-children, anti-family well is a perfect recipe for a third party coming out of their ranks.

Posted by: Quan1 | October 22, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I am truly speechless. Palin's running now is a disgrace to American politics. I remember when I was a child, and adults would comment to children who did very well in school, and who were obviously smarter than their peers that, "One day, you could even run for president". Palin's appearance on the top of the republican ticket seems to indicate a change in this standard. What will we hear from now on?
Teacher: Your daughter/son must apply her/himself diligently, just to keep up with the rest of the class. The best you can expect is a mediocre report card; perhaps a community college is to be considered. Oh, and who knows, "One day you can be a Republican nominee for president. You know, there are hordes of conservative voters, of mediocre to low intelligence who would want to vote for someone just like them, not some elitist smart person".

Posted by: Messagero | October 22, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I think Palin has given herself an opening, but only that. Time wil tell how well she uses it. Assuming Obama wins, the field of Republican contenders will be wide open again, and could certainly include Romney and Huckabee again.

How she uses the next couple of years - governing, speaking out, raising funds - will tell us whether she will follow the example of Reagan after 1976 (frontrunner in waiting), or of Quayle after 1992 or Lieberman after 2000 (who thought they were automatic frontrunners but their parties disagreed).

Posted by: kpierce | October 22, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

After Barack Obama runs this country into the ground, people will be begging for someone like Mitt Romney to come in a cleanup the mess. We are looking at very hard times over the next four years and Americans will want a serious candidate with serious experience. No more Obama and definitely no more Palin.

Posted by: pccu | October 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

What a joke. To those who said she is a fast learner....it's two weeks before the election and she still doesn't understand the role of the VP.
Watch this video from an interview a few days ago. Sarah says that the role of the VP is to be in charge of the Senate!!!!!

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/21/palin-vp-senate/

Posted by: trisha4 | October 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Pretender!
Sarah might make it as cheerleader captain or class president, but President of the United States? How embarrassing to put her up there with world leaders--we'd be the laughing stock of the world.
As the world becomes more focused on the environment, how could we endorse someone who doesn't believe in conservation--someone that even enjoys torturing animals (hunting down wolves by air to wear them out and shooting them when they can't escape--this is not "hunting". I find Sarah totally callous and reprehensible.

Posted by: WoofBlitzer | October 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

It may be significant that Barry Goldwater's running mate was never again elected to public office...

It may also be significant that Sarah Palin could possibly face impeachment in Alaska for her various violations of the Governor's office. Now, I know that Republicans love criminals (they have so many of them), and that Christians love to agonize over the whole "forgiveness" shtick ( just look how many televangelistas maintain their flocks from jail ), but the GOP is likely to come out of this election with about 12,000 members who will admit it. Palin in 2012 could halve that number.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | October 22, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"members of the conservative intelligentsia (he quotes a column written by Peggy Noonan)"

Peggy Noonan=Conservative Intelligentsia???? Please, Chris, she's a Hallmark-card level hack.

Posted by: hbm3 | October 22, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Three words: Huck A Bee. He is clearly planning a 2012 run and will be even more successful with the same group she attracts, conservative Christians, and he can at least attract other conservatives, whereas Palin has turned off many. Huckabee has all of Palin's political positives--and then some--and he has virtually none of her negatives. (He has his own set of negatives, but they aren't the same as hers.) Most importantly, he's worked it out so that he is utterly untainted by the trainwreck that has been McCain 08.

Posted by: ethel08 | October 22, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Chris,

Why waste time with this column. Guess you have nothing else to say.

Who cares who the Republicans nominate. It will be all about how well Obama does in his first two years. The real question will be if he sr--s up will there be a repeat of 1994.

I don't think that will happen but we have to clear 2010 before we think of 2012.

Posted by: peterdc | October 22, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"Primary voters almost never vote strategically -- they vote their hopes, dreams and beliefs."

Huh? Please see 2004, Democratic Primaries. Kerry was clearly nominated in the primaries because he was strategically deemed more "electable." I think this is the same calculus that brought the nomination to McCain this year.

This is a silly claim indeed.

Posted by: ethel08 | October 22, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Palin is neither a contender or pretender, she is just a plain idiot

Posted by: capskip | October 22, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Answer...who was Dan Quale? Quale/Palin..two reasons why the Republicans should never have any say over our daily lives, EVER!

Posted by: henrywallace | October 22, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I said from the beginning that if John McCain won a plurality and won the Republican nomination he should choose Tim Pawlenty as his VP. Now, I believe that more than ever. Instead, he let the circumstance of Clinton in the Democratic primary encourage him to pick a conservative woman, and he choose the only conservative female governor in office...Sarah Palin. Picking Palin was a gamble for McCain that got alot of immediate attention, and it is turning now out to be a gamble that McCain is losing. We do not know for sure who will win the Presidency here in 2008, much less 2012. McCain is gaining in alot of states according to polls that come out on 10/20. However, Obama continues to lead in some red states. Obama is clearly the front-runner, but the race is still very much on.

In the event McCain/Palin lose this race here in 2008, Palin will not enter 2012 as the front-runner for the Republican nomination. Just think about all of the good & conservative governors that could run in 2012 against Obama/Biden. We have :Ga. Gov. Sonny Perdue, SC Gov. Mark Sanford, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, Nebraska Gov. Dave Henieman, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist & Minn. Gov. Tim Pawlenty. Sanford & Perdue are both term limited in 2010, as they could begin a run there. Daniels is almost assured reelection in Indiana this year, and would be term-limited in 2012. He'd be in a great spot. Henieman & Crist will be up for reelection in 2010, but both should win their race easily as they are widely popular in their respective states. Also, Crist is an awesome fundraiser. Pawlenty could have a bit more trouble with reelection in Minn. His current term ends in 2010, and he's never won a majority (50%) of the vote in either of his elections. Those are 6 conservative governor's that could well be in high contention for the Republican nomination in 2012 if McCain/Palin loses this year. So, what what of Sarah Palin's future? If McCain loses, Palin will go back to serve out her term as governor in Alaska. Then, Palin will run for and win reelection in 2010. She would likely run for R nomination in 2012, and she will likely lose. She will not have my support or vote. After this, Palin will serve out the rest of her term as Gov. of Alaska until 2014. In 2014, Palin could take a great paycheck from Fox News or she could run for Ted Stevens seat...whether Stevens retires or whether it's against Begich if Stevens is convicted in his criminal trial and loses his race this year. Even if Palin never becomes President, which I see as doubtful unless McCain wins this year, she still has alot of options.

Posted by: reason5 | October 22, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Dear Republicans,

Please, please make Sara Palin the face of the Republican Party in 2012. We're not sure you're totally and utterly discredited among American Independents, conservative Democrats and thinking Republicans yet, but that would certainly do it.

love,

The Democrats

Posted by: irae | October 22, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Palin told a Colorado TV interviewer, in response to a third grader's question, that the job of the VP was to be the president's teammate and to run the senate. (I swear I am not making this up. I heard it from her mouth). Has this woman ever LOOKED at the U.S. Constitution? Please, ship her back to Alaska. We are done with her here.

Posted by: corridorg4 | October 22, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse
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The funny part is, this is the third time for this same gaff. I have to wonder what goes through her head when she doesn't have a TelePrompTer in front of her. In this case she could not stand up to being questioned by a third grader. Wouldn't you think at least she would have memorized an answer to this question by now? She may not be as smart as people want to give her credit for. Her winning the governorship in Alaska was not bucking the "Good old boy" establishment. She did not unseat a popular governor. She beat a guy who was so corrupt he may have been thrown out of office anyway if there was not an election coming up.

She beat a guy anyone who ran against him would have beat. She fell into an office more driven by ambition then ability. Now Alaskans are getting a chance see what they really elected. It is funny, one reporter who was traveling around Alaska found people when he asked them what they thought of Palin didn't know who she was. Alaska is a state like no other. Some areas are very isolated, they don't vote they just live lives in pretty much obscure isolation and they like it that way.

Palin is just a "Boss Hogg" in her little universe of power. Once outside it she was overwhelmed by even the smallest detail of real government and she is completely incompetent. Is this her fault, no, it is the fault of Mccain for picking someone who although they like to say is a quick study, there seems too much evidence she may not be. She may be just a ditz.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 22, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Chris, it's not nice to tease the neighbor's dog by walking back and forth in front of their house in a mailman's uniform. In the same manner, you've gone and stirred up all these people for no good reason. Next you'll be trying to stir up a different crowd by saying Hillary Clinton is planning another run in 2012. You're a very naughty boy!

Posted by: valuddite | October 22, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Oh well, so it's going to be an even more
Election 2012,since the country is trending
toward a new breed of younger politicians,
rather then then old guard like John McCain
and Joe Biden and will by 2012 be soooo
totally sick of the Marxist/Socialist
Democrat Liberals and their damn socialism
that Vice President Sarah Palin will be
elected President by a huge landslide as
it is clear President John McCain will be
a one term President thanks to his age,
and the Great Fake False Messiah Socialist
Democrat ACORN Election Thief Leader His
Arrogance Barack Hussein Obama and old Loud
Mouth Know It All Gaffer Joe Biden will be
so hated by then as Mad Madame Speaker Nutty Nancy Pelosi and Horrid Harry Reid
and Howard Dean also try to push their insane Socialism and March to Communism on
to the American People will have so totally
backfired that the Democratic Party will
no longer exist,since President John McCain
and Vice President Sarah Palin will stop
their March to Socialism and the GOP will
become a Huge Moderate Majority Party again. So Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi will become the most
totally hated politicians in US history!

So it's President Sarah Palin
and Vice President Joe the Plumber 2012 and
2016 whether the looney toon liberala and
kool aid drinker Obamabots like it or not,
as "Sarah's Army is On the March to Victory" and Cannot be stopped!

I'm Sherry Kay a Proud Member of "Sarah's
Army,and I endorse this message!
NOBAMA/NOBIDEN NOMOREPELOSI NOPOWELL EVER!

Posted by: SherryKay2004 | October 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Palin told a Colorado TV interviewer, in response to a third grader's question, that the job of the VP was to be the president's teammate and to run the senate. (I swear I am not making this up. I heard it from her mouth). Has this woman ever LOOKED at the U.S. Constitution? Please, ship her back to Alaska. We are done with her here.

Posted by: corridorg4 | October 22, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"Grandpa, what was a republican?"

Posted by: TOMHERE | October 22, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

palin in 2012?

as a democrat leaning independent, i can only say, i hope, i hope, i hope.

her nomination would confirm to all what a lot of us concluded a long time ago. the g.o.p. is now the party of the crazies, crack pots, and loonies. the 2012 party convention should be held in a revival tent where candidates don't make speeches, they give their 'testimony'.

Posted by: jimfilyaw | October 22, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The base might absolutely be crazy-in-love with Palin but it won't matter; she hasn't won over any significant independent support and the Democrats hate her. Getting to 51% would be impossible for Palin, no matter how she retools her image in the next four years.
In short, she'll try but she won't make it.

Posted by: dbitt | October 22, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Like Dan Quayle before her she is continuing to self destruct, destroying her chance of a political future in Alaska much less the US. I heard her describing what a VP does. She says the VP leads the Senate and makes policy and is an equal partner with the president. Anyone of voting age knows that is not true. Her mouth is her worst enemy and she keeps opening it. What I am hearing is a megalomaniac who not only seeks power but makes it up.

Polls now show that picking Palin is the MAIN reason people will not vote for McCain. After McCain loses Palin will be named the reason McCain lost. If she resurfaces in 2012 on the national scene that is what people will remember, the barracuda that sunk the unsinkable McCain ship. That will be harder to overcome than Quayle's ineptness and people will run from her faster than they run from Quayle even to this day.

The real question should be how can she survive keeping her job as govenor. The AK legislature has determined she broke ethics laws. Once republicans realize she hurt more than helped McCain and is now weaker in AK than before she was chosen by McCain, then I can see other republicans gunning for her job. She has not just hurt the McCain campaign, she has hurt her own political future. She is her worst enemy.

Its a good thing she hunts moose and likes the meat. She may need to hunt for a living after no one wants her in public office again, not even those who live in "real America".

Posted by: bevjims1 | October 22, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Pick a year and Sarah Palin is and always will be just a PRETENDER!!!!! She is enjoying her 15 minutes of fame as is her underage pregnant daughter (the apple didn't fall far from that tree).

Although I would lover to see her try and pit herself up against Hillary Clinton who would chew her up and spit her out like an used up wad of gum.

Posted by: gtnaustin | October 22, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I think the notion that Gov. Palin will be a credible candidate for the Presidency in 2012 is shortsighted, and rather superficial. Politics aside, the woman just does not have the preparation for any national office. This is not about experience, this is about the meritocracy. I know that we are not truly a meritocracy, but this notion screams superficiality. Second, and most importantly, if the next President is Sen. Obama, and if the Obama administration is even moderately successful in managing the myriad problems currently facing the nation, there is no chance that any Republican/conservative will get a serious look. It would be like returning to smoking unfiltered Camels after having a lung removed. Some addicts may do that, but the American public in general is not quite that stupid.

Posted by: Willmagnus101 | October 22, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

The Repubs have lost their way because they were hijacked by the Christian Right. Bush 2, DeLay, Palin: they have weakened the Repub party.

Goldwater was the last true Republican.

Palin will never succeed on a national scale because her imposition of her rigid religious ideology onto politics turns off a majority of Americans.

A side show merely.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 22, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

What a statement about the GOP... many fine candidates of both genders are available, and the "Hockey Mom/Moose Hunter" is being positioned for the future of the party! A truely sad state of affairs.

Posted by: spears404 | October 22, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

She is worst than that other idiot that ran with bush sr, dan quail. The rebub party is dead, has no leadership or ideas basically because the republican agenda has been proven to be nothing more than greed by the corp and rich. They fooled a lot of right leaning fools, but even fools wake up once in a while.

Posted by: moemongo | October 22, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

It is unlikely that Palin will be able to gain the stature to be a legitimate candidate for President in 2012. It seems that much of her appeal rests on her physical attractiveness, and she will be four years more wrinkly in 2012. Her only apparent qualification will be her extreme conservative mindset. I don't think this will be enough to get a major party nomination, although the Republican nod may be a possibility.

Posted by: jrm1 | October 22, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Republicans take turns when selecting their Presidential candidates. She will win the primary against someone who articulates a new vision for Conservatism and lose in a landslide of historic proportions during the general election. It will be fun.

Posted by: gjcomm | October 22, 2008 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Here's the correct link for one of the reasons why Sarah Palin will NOT be around in 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwAGmDLW4M

Posted by: Omyobama | October 22, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

Chris you're as big an idiot as Palin is. Between Troopergate, Neimangate, and her all but uninteligible answers to questions she's done nothing to set herself up as a serious 2012 contender. She's currently got worse negatives than George Bush... and these Alaskan scandals about her use of per diem and charging her kids' travel is all going to add up. Please ... let's have Sarah Palin to oppose in 2012 ... I'll have fun resurrecting this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bebopbetty

Posted by: Omyobama | October 22, 2008 5:27 AM | Report abuse

It will be interesting if she tries, but frankly, I'll be surprised if Alaska wants her now. With her ethical lapses (using state funds to pay for her kids' travel being the latest transgression), I wonder if Alaskans can really view her as a reformer. And she's going to have to get out of Alaska to campaign, hitting New Hampshire as early as 2011, and they're not going to like that.
But if she does run, she'll have to contend with other Republicans first. It would be truly funny to see her in a no-holds barred debate with someone just as eager to capture the nomination as she is. Romney or Bloomberg, perhaps, debating her on the economy? Someone who doesn't have to worry about the money that the hard-core right wingers will put up behind her.
Really, I'm worried though. She has divided an already weakened Republican Party. If it's not reduced to irrelevance in this election, her running again would probably do so. I'm not a Republican, and I don't lean Republican, but I do think that a responsible GOP that sticks to basic good-governance principles would be good. As it is now, it's almost a laughingstock, full of ridiculous posturing, self-serving ideas and bereft of any worthwhile policies.

Posted by: stmr | October 22, 2008 4:20 AM | Report abuse

While Palin will never be electable due to her far-out right-wing views on social/cultural issues (the country is moving toward the middle on these issues due to generational change in the electorate), she is definitely a possibility as a Republican nominee in 2012 if Obama is widely viewed as having a successful first term.

Palin could be nominated as a sacrificial lamb candidate. However, if the Republicans have any real shot at winning in 2012, Palin will not be nominated.

Assuming Obama's first term is successful in turning the economy around and in solving, or setting a course toward solving a couple major long-term issues like health care and energy, the Republican nomination in 2012 is not going to be that desirable. So a sacrificial lamb pick at that point makes sense. That way the rest of the party can shut up the ultra-right, and try to move toward the middle.

Voters under 50, especially those under 35, tend to be both more tolerant of their fellow citizens on the social/cultural issues which animate the far-right. These same voters generally are more focused on issues of real importance to people's daily lives as opposed to the off-beat social/cultural issues promoted by Palin. Over the coming years, the far right wing of the Republican Party is likely to wane in importance, allowing the Republicans as a party to move toward the middle.

The one "wedge" issue that has been largely avoided and de-emphasized in the
current campaign that has potential to be prominent in determining the Republican nominee in 2012 is immigration. This issue has the potential to really divide the Republican Party and may result in the party losing alot of business support.

Don't be surprised if immigration becomes a major issue within the Republican Party. The far right is going be on the wrong side of that issue, historically speaking, and that could really shatter the party with an explosive bloodbath during 2010-2012.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 22, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

If the Republican party's losses are as large as the polls are showing for the White House and Congress, then there will be a major battle for its future direction. It will be obvious that the public has rejected the narrow-minded, divisive rabble rousing that epitomizes Palin's campaign. She may run in 2012, but she won't stand a chance.....

Posted by: RickJ | October 22, 2008 3:25 AM | Report abuse

I sincerely hope the Republicans chose to pin their hopes on Palin.

Posted by: nodebris | October 22, 2008 3:03 AM | Report abuse

Cillizza,

Palin actually represents all that Republicans must outgrow in order to become a meaningful force in the future:

1) The emphasis upon form (forceful, but superficial and uninformed personalities) as opposed to content (seriously addressing policy issues)

2) An individualistic and greedy "me" mentality versus a concern for the common good

3) Reliance upon self-serving interpretations of scripture which undermines the potentially good influence of Christianity in modern affairs

4) Ignorance about the importance of academic science in making policy decisions

4) Rule by coercion and deception rather than leadership based on wisdom and integrity

Fine by me if Repubs present her again in 2012. It will be even easier to defeat such ideology then.

Posted by: freelyb | October 22, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Palin is being almost completely ignored by the Obama compaign. Does anyone actually think that she'll do better when she is actually opposed by her opponents? Romney is praying that she runs in 2012 so he can destroy her. She doesn't stand a chance against her own party. Pish Posh you say... Palin beat her own party in Alaska. To which I say... Alaska. And she only popular with her base because they hate McCain. Anyone is acceptable to the base compared to McCain. Don't believe that? Look at McCain right now... he's got his head so far up the bases 'you know what'...

Posted by: antonphd | October 22, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Wingnut Economic Philosophy 101:


Socialist = raising the top tax rate for the richest among us from 35% to 39%.


Free-Market = nationalizing the banks, massive investment in insurance agencies, limiting certain types of trades, raising the debt ceiling, and promoting government investment into stocks and bonds. And an emphasis on Red States.


It’s all so clear now!


"Conservatives" are hilarious, especially now that they're headed toward an epic defeat.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 22, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

She is a legend in her own mind! If she wants to run in 2012, Palin better start reading something soon! She cannot expect to win that spot with sarcastic remarks and her winks. She does not even understand the nature of the VP's job. The last thing our nation needs is her divisive tactics and gutter politics.

Posted by: 1SuzyQ1 | October 22, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

If post-War history of BOTH major political parties is any indication, the Presidential prospects of this year's losing VP candidate will be virtually nil. After all, the campaign trail is thus far littered with the non-Presidential careers of every failed VP candidate:
2008: ?????
2004: John Edwards
2000: Joe Lieberman
1996: Jack Kemp
1992: Dan Quayle
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1984: Geraldine Ferraro
1980: Fritz Mondale (nominated for Pres. in '84, but lost election)
1976: Bob Dole (nominated for Pres. in '96, but lost election)
1972: Tom Eagleton, replaced by Sargent Shriver
1968: Edmund Muskie
1964: William Miller
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge
1956: Estes Kefauver
1952: John Sparkman
1948: Earl Warren

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | October 22, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

to 37thandOSt:

There are some people who use their spare time because they actually care about what goes on within and around their homes. It's not unAmerican to care. I think you misrepresent real concern as partisanship. Most of these comments are not from Obama's camp. Most of these comments are made from people like me that don't want this country to be worst off than it already is. If you want to attack someone for actually taking the time to care, then your priorities are skewed to a level no one has the time for.

First, people in your campaign call people that comment on these types of articles lazy and welfare recipients because they have said that they are the only ones that would support Obama to make sure they got their welfare check. Then you state in your post that "There is nothing in it for them except a paycheck." Is this a fair assessment when you lack the ability to research who is actually posting these posts? Do you own this website? Do you administer this message board? Do you have any authority to say who people really are?

When you say "I have never seen a more UNAMERICAN campaign as Obama's has been this year." Oh, I've seen far worse. I'm seeing one right now that astounds me. You have the audacity to spread blatant lies and then say anyone with an opposing opinion are the rot of this system? How short-sighted are you when there are thousands of people losing their homes? Concerns should not be labelled as partisan bickering. They are what they are because what else are people to do with the choices they have. You are amazing, sir. I have yet to find a person with as much balls as you. I salute your absurdity.

Posted by: pravader | October 22, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

to 37thandOSt:

There are some people who use their spare time because they actually care about what goes on within and around their homes. It's not unAmerican to care. I think you misrepresent real concern as partisanship. Most of these comments are not from Obama's camp. Most of these comments are made from people like me that don't want this country to be worst off than it already is. If you want to attack someone for actually taking the time to care, then your priorities are skewed to a level no one has the time for.

First, people in your campaign call people that comment on these types of articles lazy and welfare recipients because they have said that they are the only ones that would support Obama to make sure they got their welfare check. Then you state in your post that "There is nothing in it for them except a paycheck." Is this a fair assessment when you lack the ability to research who is actually posting these posts? Do you own this website? Do you administer this message board? Do you have any authority to say who people really are?

When you say "I have never seen a more UNAMERICAN campaign as Obama's has been this year." Oh, I've seen far worse. I'm seeing one right now that astounds me. You have the audacity to spread blatant lies and then say anyone with an opposing opinion are the rot of this system? How short-sighted are you when there are thousands of people losing their homes? Concerns should not be labelled as partisan bickering. They are what they are because what else are people to do with the choices they have. You are amazing, sir. I have yet to find a person with as much balls as you. I salute your absurdity.

Posted by: pravader | October 22, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Will she run? Probably. SHe has no skill at self-assessment.

Will she get the Republican nomination? I doubt it. The Republicans fielded an all-male selection of contestants and all of them top Palin in knowledge and experience. If you get the message that the Republicans will finally tolerate a woman nominee, there are quite a few Republican women who also top Palin in most every relevant category who have also seen that shift. Palin will be the weakest in the field but it's difficult to put a botton on what Republicans will or can field. Still, I can's see the Republican Party nominating Palin for president because it's a guaranteed loss. The number of independent voters is on the upswing and they are the key to victory. They do not like Palin.

Palin will face a challenge when she gets back home from this campaign. She has done a lot of harm to the people of Alaska. She has drawn attention to their budgetary surpluses in weak economy and, thereby, almost assuredly guaranteed a severe curtailing of federal grants. She has maligned several admired public servants there, a complete reversal of course since she became McCain's running mate. Whereas she was the most popular governor at that point, she no longer is.

Let's hope that the Age of the Ideologue is over. Palin is today's David Duke, a chrarismatic politician who really will not amount to much of anything because people just aren't that mean inside.

Posted by: slimething | October 22, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

You can tell who the paid Obama staffers are on here - they come on - they work for a shift with multiple postings and then they go home.


There is nothing in it for them except a paycheck.


They really do not believe what they say - it is a joke. I just wish the people giving money over the internet realized that their money was going to HARASS PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WHO ARE EXERCISING THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


I have never seen a more UNAMERICAN campaign as Obama's has been this year.


Hostility toward Freedom of Speech is the FIRST CHARGE OF UNAMERICAN ACTIVITIES ON THE PART OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.


Let's continue.


Hostility toward anyone who disagrees with them, False charges of RACISM, twisting Bill Clinton's words around, practically calling Geraldine Ferraro a racist for innocent and true remarks, intimidation of superdelegates with threats of "riots in the streets"

PREVENTING ELECTIONS IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA.


RIGGING THE DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS TO SELECT MORE MINORIITES.


RIGGING THE ORDER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES TO ENSURE THAT THE BLACKS IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE HISPANICS IN NEVADA HAVE UNDUE INFLUENCE IN THE MEDIA.

GENERAL HOSTILITY TOWARD THE US CONSTITUTION.

THE CHARGE IS: OBAMA AND DAVID AXELROD ARE RUNNING THE MOST UN-AMERICAN CAMPAIGN IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

CHARGE MADE.


THEY ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 21, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse
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This post requires no response beyond a profound sadness that the spreading of lies is the only thing left to an American political party.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 22, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Four years is a LONG time. If Palin actually has the mental capacity to study the weighty issues, then she can rehabilitate herself in a heartbeat. Remember, these is the Republican party. Standards aren't exactly the highest with the base.

Although I wonder if they would vote for a woman.

I still think Romney will be the man.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Pish-posh maybe, but don't forget the broader implications for the Republican party of a McCain loss. As David Brooks noted this David Brooks noted this weekend on MTP, the Republican Party's image has been narrowing. The reasons are chiefly the failures and unpopularity of the Bush Administration. Republicans went to the taxes and social issues well one to many times and it has dried up. If Reps lose big in two straight elections there will surely be a big move of the party to the center and Palin simply can't be that center. Palin epitomizes the Bush wing of the party. The days of the Palin/Bush Republican winning elections are fading fast. One point in your favor- Republicans like sticking with previous losers in presidential politics, maybe this time to their detriment.

Posted by: sfcpoll | October 21, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I still think McCain/Palin will win this election.

But whatever happens this year, the future is very bright for Sarah Palin. I predict a two term presidency is in her future, and I can't wait!

Posted by: JJHLH1 | October 21, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully 4 years will be enough for her to study the constitution and know what the duties of president and vice-presidents are. Also, she better use that time to enrich her foreign policy knowledge beyond just having a narrow maritime border with Vladimir Putin.

Posted by: Hillaryio | October 21, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I do think she's become a hero and a big draw for the GOP. But she really has no idea what she's talking about most of the time. Reagan, Nixon, and Goldwater had tremendous philosophical grounding and were prepared for grueling primaries with qualified opponents. My own feeling is that if McCain loses, he will have saddled the party with her. And I don't think that will be good for the GOP.

Posted by: stpaulsage | October 21, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, Chris,

A fair analysis, Boyo, and one you should be proud of. Pay no attention to the Reds that try to tear fair Sarah down. They'll have to deal with her soon enough.

Dudley Smith

Posted by: DudleySmith | October 21, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

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You can tell who the paid Obama staffers are on here - they come on - they work for a shift with multiple postings and then they go home.


There is nothing in it for them except a paycheck.


They really do not believe what they say - it is a joke. I just wish the people giving money over the internet realized that their money was going to HARASS PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WHO ARE EXERCISING THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


I have never seen a more UNAMERICAN campaign as Obama's has been this year.


Hostility toward Freedom of Speech is the FIRST CHARGE OF UNAMERICAN ACTIVITIES ON THE PART OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.


Let's continue.


Hostility toward anyone who disagrees with them, False charges of RACISM, twisting Bill Clinton's words around, practically calling Geraldine Ferraro a racist for innocent and true remarks, intimidation of superdelegates with threats of "riots in the streets"

PREVENTING ELECTIONS IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA.


RIGGING THE DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS TO SELECT MORE MINORIITES.


RIGGING THE ORDER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES TO ENSURE THAT THE BLACKS IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE HISPANICS IN NEVADA HAVE UNDUE INFLUENCE IN THE MEDIA.

GENERAL HOSTILITY TOWARD THE US CONSTITUTION.

THE CHARGE IS: OBAMA AND DAVID AXELROD ARE RUNNING THE MOST UN-AMERICAN CAMPAIGN IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

CHARGE MADE.


THEY ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED.

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.

Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 21, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

DavisSeattle - I agree with you on Palin's run for the Senate if the McCain ticket falls short in 2008.

And why not - that's what Obama did. He jumped into the Senate for two years before he decided to run for President.

Palin/Jindal and Obama/Biden in 2012 --- now that would be an interesting race.

Posted by: StageMom | October 21, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

You are stirring, right?
This is a woman who allow her husband to use her office for private vendetta and sack her officer - using underhanded means - because he did not do (break the law) what she wanted.
This is a woman who claims she did nothing wrong when the commission's verdict was that although it is within her right to sack her appointed officer, the way it was done was very unethical.

Posted by: nagamas1 | October 21, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I picture Palin seeking Lisa Murkowski's US Senate seat from Alaska in 2010, and, if she wins, using that as the basis for claiming "national experience" in a 2012 run for the Republican presidential nomination.

Posted by: davidseattle | October 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse


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She's totally hot.


That about closes the case.

The angry liberals are going to be angry at her for decades.


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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 21, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

In the category of "I'm not really that surprised," it has come to light that one needs to consider the budgetary impact of selecting a former beauty queen as running mate. Politico reports that the RNC has apparently spent up to $150,000 on updating the Palin family wardrobe.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

In other words, the Republican National Committee is spending on the VP candidate's clothes 60% of what it would cost Joe the Plumber to buy his boss's business. So, Joe, do you still feel like McCain-Palin understand the lives of middle class Americans? Personally, I'm having my doubts.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

LogicSC - Since when does 79% (49 + 20 + 10) = 100%? Perhaps the other 21% polled are Vulcans.

Highly illogical.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 21, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please, God! Let the Republicans nominate Palin in 2012! Apart from the sheer entertainment value [Tina Frey wins several Emmies], it assures a Democratic lock on the government for, well, forever!

Posted by: thrh | October 21, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

She'll be a whole different person in 4 years...for the worse. She'll lose her sexy appeal as she starts pushing 50 and a grandmother. She'll have a 4 year old Down syndrome child, more demanding than a cute newborn infant. Her approval rating as governor will fall precipitously as she's further vetted in her own state and opposed by her own party. Who knows if she even wins re-election for governor as Troopergate and other scandals take their toll? And no matter what, she'll still be up there in Alaska outside of the Beltway schmoozing.

In four years, other stars of the GOP will ascend, such as Bobby Jindal and Charlie Crist, even Mike Huckabee. And she won't get any smarter. (Let's face it: her academic past reveals an intellectual denseness. That won't get fixed in 4 years.) She'll be toxic as after his November loss, John McCain feels free to unleash his real opinion of her and blame her for the loss. Even those who initially cheered her, such as Bill Kristol, will fade away as their own reputations have been damaged for their advocacy.

The truth is the rank and file will quickly forget her, and the kingmakers will stay away. She's blown too many answers and embarrassed too many people. They won't take that chance again. Her national political career is over.

Posted by: Pupster | October 21, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

To AsperGirl:
I think I have fallen in love with you.Your silence is irresistable.Have you become a Democrat since Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama?
I think we can make beautiful music together.Want to see my sketchings?
Tee-Hee...tee-hee.
Don't worry about your place in the blogosphere...king of zouk has covered all your bases.

Posted by: klowry57 | October 21, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

logicalSC:
Change your handle to illogical BS...it will suit you better.How did you become so uninformed and stupid? Are you related to Michele Bachmann or Robin Hayes,or both?Crawl back into your hole and eat worms.You are a disgrace to everyone who has a semblance of knowledge about anything...oh,I forgot,you're a right-wing dweeb.Geez.

Posted by: klowry57 | October 21, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Since Governor Palin will be the Vice-President of the United States and President McCain has said that he will only serve one-term, there is almost a 90% certainly that she will be the Republican nominee.

The best thing about MSM being so in the tank for Obama this election is that his nimrod supporters actually believe in your gerryrigged polls. Love the way you people are polling 49% Democrats, 20% Republicans and 10% "independents", yet the idiot Obama is still only leading by 5 pts.

President Kerry tells you thanks for the support.

Posted by: LogicalSC | October 21, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse
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The candidates have their own polling they don't look at the stuff we look at. Indications are, what they are seeing shows Obama as even more ahead. Why do you think Mccain is pulling out of states? He knows what it going on. Mccain and Obama don't get up every day and see what Gallup say. Theirs polling is more specific and meaningful to them.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Side Show Barbie is a deranged psychopath!


Palin just claimed that the vice president is "in charge of the U.S. Senate."


In an interview with KUSA in Colorado, Palin responds to the following question:
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Q: Brandon Garcia wants to know, "What does the Vice President do?"

PALIN: That’s something that Piper would ask me! ... [T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.


The corporate media should be all over this story. Palin made a major gaffe in her V.P. debate when she announced vice presidential powers that are not outlined in the Constitution, and which reflect the will of Dick Cheney. She demonstrated herself to be not a student of history, but a student of neo-conservatism.


This is no longer an issue of whether Palin is smart enough to be vice president. It is becoming all too clear that she is the empty vessel through which neo-conservatism wants to live and breathe in the White House for another four years.


Palin's unabashed ignorance is certainly breathtaking. But people already know that she is ignorant on any number of critical domestic and foreign policy issues. People now need to understand that she is a dangerous public figure who, if unchecked, will further weaken our federal government's balance of power, and thus will create a system that undermines one of the key principles of our Constitution.


Here's some more mavericky straight-talk, my friends:
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/21/palin-vp-senate/
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Darn it,Chris,I hate it when you make me vomit,poop my pants,and laugh at the same time.

Posted by: klowry57 | October 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

In a recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 55 percent of respondents said they did not think Sarah Palin was qualified to be president if she had to step into office. This number has increased by five points since the last poll conducted about this issue. The media is making a huge deal about this increase, implying that Palin could ultimately be the deciding factor in the election. CNN talks about the “Palin Factor” and asks the question of whether or not she could save McCain. If McCain wins the election, Sarah Palin will get a lot of credit for creating a stir and drawing more attention to the Republican Party, thus bringing in more votes. If McCain loses, chances are Palin will receive much of the blame.

Why the sudden increase in disapproval? Recently, various types of media have surfaced in an effort to mock Sarah Palin. Probably the most well known of these is the skits seen on Saturday Night Live. Tina Fey’s uncanny resemblance of Palin has attracted the attention of a lot of viewers who want to poke fun at the Alaska governor. To her credit, Palin herself appeared on the show and played along with the skit. Did this appearance help or hurt her? SNL has mocked the candidates from both parties, but the portrayal of Palin seems to have reached more mainstream media, with coverage of Palin and Tina Fey as Palin being picked up by everyone from MSNBC to the Post.

People are drawn to Palin, whether they will admit it or not. Dean Hoffmeyer, a photographer for the Richmond Times-Dispatch, covered both the democratic and the republican national conventions and said the rush to get pictures of Palin was so much more intense than for any other candidate. People want pictures of Palin and they want to know about her, which is perhaps why the media insists on dissecting every new piece of Palin information.

Posted by: Sharon12 | October 21, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin speaks of the Washinton elite and shows sympathy towards the poor folks hurting as a result of the economy. Yet it appears ,according to Politico's Ben Smith, that the McCain campaign has spent upwards of $150,000 to clothe and accessorize Palin and her family in one month alone...wonder what Joe the Plumbers would think of that!! Not a great message to the vast majority of folks out there who are struggling to keep their homes & the bills paid!! I guess freezing spending only applies to others in these difficult times!!

Posted by: Goose3 | October 21, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Sarah Palin will be a great president. Go Girl! We are with you :-)

Posted by: election20081 | October 21, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Route1 said: "I would pay money to see Sarah Palin in Congress. Man, if you thought Jim Traficant was crazy ..."

Thanks for the laugh. I had almost forgotten that wild and crazy guy from Youngstown — and his bright green shirts and orange ties...

Posted by: truthtopower40 | October 21, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Not exactly the best way to launch a national political career:

NBC News poll out just now:

Fifty-five percent of respondents say [Gov. Palin] is not qualified to serve as president if the need arises, up five points from the previous poll.

In addition, for the first time, more voters have a negative opinion of her than a positive one. In the survey, 47 percent view her negatively, versus 38 percent who see her in a positive light.

That’s a striking shift since McCain chose Palin as his running mate in early September, when she held a 47 to 27 percent positive rating.

Now, Palin’s qualifications to be president rank as voters’ top concern about McCain’s candidacy - ahead of continuing President Bush’s policies, enacting economic policies that only benefit the rich and keeping too high of a troop presence in Iraq.

Posted by: ScottinNC | October 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Since Governor Palin will be the Vice-President of the United States and President McCain has said that he will only serve one-term, there is almost a 90% certainly that she will be the Republican nominee.

The best thing about MSM being so in the tank for Obama this election is that his nimrod supporters actually believe in your gerryrigged polls. Love the way you people are polling 49% Democrats, 20% Republicans and 10% "independents", yet the idiot Obama is still only leading by 5 pts.

President Kerry tells you thanks for the support.

Posted by: LogicalSC | October 21, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Cmon, the stupid wing of the Republican party can't still have that much power. They got Palin in this time and she has alienated many Republicans(not to mention anyone with any decency or intelligence).

Posted by: silverspring25 | October 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Everything said now about Palin is exactly what folks said about Hillary and even more so about Obama.

All it took was the Bush disaster to make two radical left wing nut cases look appealing to the center.

When Obama crashes and burns like Carter did (or McGovern would have had he had the chance) then Palin's down home appeal will be electrifying. She has shown in AK an ability to focus on getting stuff done and ignoring the divisive junk that doesn't help the people.

After 4 more successful years in AK, more economic growth, more of a track record of being unapologetic, but also not distracted by culture war issues, the nation will be ready and the press will have already unloaded everything they have. Like Hillary, her only fear will be from someone on the right even more "extreme" than she is.

Posted by: vimrich | October 21, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Gov. Palin is very popular among the people who still think Pres. Bush is doing a good job.

So, she might have a shot of the Republican Party nomination, if you assume that this nomination would constitute a third-party bid, if things keep going the way they are.

Posted by: ScottinNC | October 21, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's consider the trajectory of Dan Quayle's career--and he actually got to be VP for four years...!!!

Posted by: trickydicky | October 21, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Back in the Spring, the media was saying that Mike Huckabee was the new hope for conservatives. Eight months later, all Huckabee has is a one-way ticket to Palookaville.

Nobody likes a loser, and that is exactly what Palin will be in two weeks. She will carry that mark forever.

Posted by: maggots | October 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Popasmoke, thanks for the link. I thought you were blowing smoke, and I was wrong. They're spending the big bucks to keep her pretty.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Eh...excuse me, please. Does anyone remember there is a ethics investigation in Alaska, which hasn't been concluded. The result of that investigation will hold the keys as to her future.

Posted by: ewjazzed | October 21, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I must get in one more dig before sleep slays me.

Taxpayers now guarantee that no investor in any money market mutual fund will ever lose a penny.

[Socialism alert: ON]

Every person who invests in a money market fund receives a prospectus which explains that the fund is not insured by the federal government.

It is utterly pointless to require mutual funds to send out these hard copy documents if in fact the Fed or the Treasury is going to make every investor loss in such a fund good.

The *point* of investing in a money market fund is that you are taking a little more risk than investing in an FDIC insured bank account, and you are being rewarded for taking that risk, with a higher rate of return.

Now comes Dubya ensuring that no investor ever suffers a loss which could possibly be covered by taxing cashiers at drug stores.

[Socialism alert remains ON until Republican administration is tossed out on the seat of its pants]

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

What's you're source on Palin spending, Popasmoke? Your capslock key?

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

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I am not sure why it won't let me post the story but here is the link

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html?f=r

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Politico reports RNC filings that the Disasta from Alaska was dressed up to the tune of 150k for her political debut the past few weeks...75k at Neiman-Marcus and 50k at Saks Fifth Ave, among others, as well as clothing for her entire family....Is this what is meant by:
"Putting Lipstick on a Pig ?"

Posted by: stroghilas | October 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

janefree0513 wrote, "The Wizard of Oz has some relevant representation as it did in it's day. The munchkins were serfdom created by big business, the kiss of the good witch was the electorial voting, the cowardly lion was the bank investor, the tin man was the factory worker, scare crow the poor left out direction-less farmer, smoke and mirrors wizard scaring people was of course the president, the wicked witch of the west was the establishment. Me thinks Dorothy is Obama in this scenerio even though he's not from Kansas anymore. Unfortunately I believe Sarah is as far right into the establishment as one can get to be Dorothy. Water then represented droughts that now may be global warning. Anyway, it appears for now that the candidacy of the establishment is melting."

And every time someone types the letter "e", Colin Powell contributes 10 million dollars to Obama's campaign. Next.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin in 2012? It's scary to think the Republicans would expose us to more of her. She is in so far over her head that she has no clue that the "Real America" to which she talks about DOES NOT include her and all of her bigotry and ignorance. It's painful to watch or listen to this woman. Please. No. More.

Posted by: bretb | October 21, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The Wizard of Oz has some relevant representation as it did in it's day. The munchkins were serfdom created by big business, the kiss of the good witch was the electorial voting, the cowardly lion was the bank investor, the tin man was the factory worker, scare crow the poor left out direction-less farmer, smoke and mirrors wizard scaring people was of course the president, the wicked witch of the west was the establishment. Me thinks Dorothy is Obama in this scenerio even though he's not from Kansas anymore. Unfortunately I believe Sarah is as far right into the establishment as one can get to be Dorothy. Water then represented droughts that now may be global warning. Anyway, it appears for now that the candidacy of the establishment is melting.

Posted by: janefree0513 | October 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Please. After this election she may pop up from time to time like a bad rash, but after you've seen the bearded lady in the circus sideshow a couple of times, it loses it's curiosity appeal.

She's already well on her way to being yesterday's news. Thankfully.

Posted by: smsbks | October 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

What's you're source on Palin spending, Popasmoke? Your capslock key?

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palinbot Warns Of A Rising Socialist Menace....Unless It Benefits Her!


Palin is practicing the GOP strategy (campaign stunt) of Divide & Flail™, accusing Barack Obama of practicing "socialism" (whatever that means to her):
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADqHwfNxXVE
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But while Palin rages against so-called socialism, welfare, and redistribution of wealth...I don't think I hear her complaining about the Alaska Permanent Fund, a government program that distributes oil revenues to all non-felon Alaska residents.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
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Here's the income she received from the fund as reported on her 2006 and 2007 tax returns:
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http://www.johnmccain.com/palinfinancial/
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Interesting fact about Palin.
The back woods country girl seems to take the song lyric " How you gon'a keep them down on the farm, after they've seen Broadway" seriously.
Palin has blown through the republicans expense account like a drunken sailor to the tune of over $150,000 just on clothes. $75,000 on just one shopping trip alone.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

She can sure take a role in 2012 or between then. She will be the darling of her viewpoint group. She will be like a magnet for people who think and see like her. She will inspire to whatever extent she supports special education and special children. To whatever extent she shows qualities of statesmanship, which would require a different role than the VP candidate "attack dog" job. Whatever she can offer that is positive in terms of energy policy she can offer. She can play it any way she wants to. She's a celebrity political mom now and she's got loads of options. She's likely to get more media attention than before McCain raised her profile but probably somewhat less than now. She will have to take some kind of national or international role to have any chops as a presidential candidate though. Since she isn't very humble about her knowledge base or skills, she's not likely to make an effort to learn anything. She will have to grow her career by taking action in that case.

Posted by: GaiasChild | October 21, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

She's an anomaly -just a knee-jerk reaction on McCain's part (and another testament of his judgment).

Americans are far too bright to elect someone so unqualified. To put her in the same league as Hillary is a huge insult to Hillary.

Posted by: noblefour | October 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

shedhair wrote, "I think the Democratic party may be dead."

I'm not sure what's posessed you to fix upon that belief - I doubt that it's evidence - but enjoy the feeling while it lasts.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

If anyone's gonna break that glass ceiling, it is NOT going to be Sarah Palin. Palin can't string together a coherent sentence, let alone govern the US. Being the governor of a state with a lower population than Chicago (and having a disproportionately large supply of natural resources) does not count as "executive experience".

Posted by: vmunikoti | October 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

No, pop. You got it wrong: I was fine with your observation. I agree with you. She didn't draw anyone anywhere she appeared. Famously, during one H photo-op they showed her waving frantically at "her fans." When the camera panned to where she was waving, there was no one there.

I just literally didn't want to hear the "H" word. It just reminds us all of the months and months and months of "deranged narcissism" (as Jeff Toobin called it) that she dragged America through.

Stay thirsty, my friend...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 21, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse
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So noted and I agree.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans don't yet realize that their brand of US vs. THEM politics isn't going to work in the future. The Census Bureau projects that by 2042 non-Hispanic whites will no longer make up the majority of the population. States like Virginia, New Mexico and North Carolina are already in play because of demographic changes that are only going to continue to work more against the Republican Party's favor. Look for the party to be thoroughly repudiated this election and left in disarray without clear national leaders or a unified vision. The ultra conservatives and moderates will be at each other's throats blaming the other for the defeat. I hope, seriously hope that this will be a death blow and the Republican Party will go the way of the Whig Party. We have wasted far too much time and energy on issues that do not matter like abortion and gay marriage while ignoring our infrastructure, healthcare and education needs. The world is going to change greatly in the next 50 years as China overtakes the American economy in size and oil becomes scarce. We are ill-equipped for the present, let alone a drastically changed future.

So no, I don't see Sarah Palin as a contender. She will inevitably be blamed for the defeat (and I am sure Obama will win) and will fall faster from conciousness than last year's American Idol. That's about as much substance as she has. She's an insult to Elizabeth Dole and all the other fine women who have served the Republican Party. I can't wait for November 5.

Posted by: StevenB1 | October 21, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

“JOHN McCAIN: LOVE MACHINE”
John McCain said some very interesting things at his rally in Virginia Beach last week…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ceYtl2j38

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Posted by: thincaboutit | October 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a great pretender. First, the Troopergate Investigation (second one) is going to be waiting for her when she gets back home, and could get ugly. Secondly, she would have to get through the Republican Primary, and she will have her own Republicans going after her, as well as a bunch of us Democrats. Once this race is over with, at best she becomes a pretty face that spits out read meat on command that the Republicans trot out for fund raising purposes.

Posted by: RoycePenstinger | October 21, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

No, pop. You got it wrong: I was fine with your observation. I agree with you. She didn't draw anyone anywhere she appeared. Famously, during one H photo-op they showed her waving frantically at "her fans." When the camera panned to where she was waving, there was no one there.

I just literally didn't want to hear the "H" word. It just reminds us all of the months and months and months of "deranged narcissism" (as Jeff Toobin called it) that she dragged America through.

Stay thirsty, my friend...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 21, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Your right, the Republicans are the anti christ. It sounds as silly as the push polling that is coming out of some of the supposedly unbiased media polls.

I think the Democratic party may be dead. This election may be a watershed for a split the Democrats have brought upon themselves. It is now the party of misogynistic treatment of women such as Hillary and Sarah Palin. Democrat Larry Flynt is making a "rape"film of Sarah Palin and there is no word from the party.

Party officials go after Palin for abuse of power in a case where its actually a case of domestic abuse from a state trooper.

Any woman with common sense must decide whether the Democrats are the party of equal rights anymore. Or maybe it's just rights for some.

Posted by: shedhair | October 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Forget that when they put her taxes on line I went through them line by line. Back before she was a govenore he husbands fishing business was completely BS. It is a cash business and those reports just don't add up. You can get away with that kind of loose reporting when you live in Alaska and people up there do as they wish. But when the light of day gets shined on it you are in trouble. It look like clear tax fraud to me and I have a feeling it will also to the IRS if they decide to pursue it. Lets face it, not many of us would want out taxes gone over with a fine tooth comb. From looking at his returns they would have to have been collecting welfare.

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AP story documents Palin committing income tax fraud with bogus reimbursements for her kids travel expenses. WaPo silent on this, of course, esp the Republican Gay Blade Cillizza.

Posted by: dime_dropper | October 21, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Jeb Hoover would have about as much chance in '12 or '16 as would Jeb Bush - unless Obama makes a world-historically bad mess of things.

George W. Bush was just dumb enough to do that. Obama? Not likely.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Obamabots are sexist. Go Sarah!

Posted by: djred19678 | October 21, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

AP story documents Palin committing income tax fraud with bogus reimbursements for her kids travel expenses. WaPo silent on this, of course, esp the Republican Gay Blade Cillizza.

Posted by: dime_dropper | October 21, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The very thought of her emerging again onto the national scene is frankly, nauseating.

Posted by: grandan | October 21, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

pop, you know I regard you a true super-patriot but you mentioned the "H" word. Why? Why go there? Let's make it an H free zone: no Hillarians, Harpies, Carmella Lewis, pants suits, irrational grievances against Patti Solis Doyle, Bill Richardson, and "the system." No more talk of her "campaigning" for O where she does not mention his name. No mention of the recent Bill and Hill say-no-to-O TV tours. No...no...Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 8:04 PM"
Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse
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I didn't mean anything by it I was just giving a little insight from a closer proximity to the campaign. I could not believe it yesterday. I just walked up to the stage and listened to Hillary and was shocked she didn't draw anyone. When I say shocked I mean dumbfounded. I really think she would have lost. If someone is a democrat believe me we may have really lucked out Obama won. It was not meant to knock Hillary just an honest observation.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

My sense of the historical evidence is this: when people who have been comfortable go through a period during which their tried-and-true beliefs no longer bring them the creature comforts to which they had become accustomed, they don't turn to science. They turn to nativism and other irrational sources of solace.

It's going to be an interesting decade.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

She won't win a second term in Alaska.

Posted by: rj2z | October 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Someone here is predicting JEB BUSH in 2016.

Do we really want a 3rd failed Bush presidency?

Posted by: bobnsri | October 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

pop, you know I regard you a true super-patriot but you mentioned the "H" word. Why? Why go there? Let's make it an H free zone: no Hillarians, Harpies, Carmella Lewis, pants suits, irrational grievances against Patti Solis Doyle, Bill Richardson, and "the system." No more talk of her "campaigning" for O where she does not mention his name. No mention of the recent Bill and Hill say-no-to-O TV tours. No...no...Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
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"Got a call from my wife who is moving around with the campaign and she said in Miami the crowd was so big they had to limit people coming anymore. She said one cop told her it must be over 100,000 comparing it to past crowds. When I saw Obama this afternoon no one knew he was going to be at the office, it was a pop in.

Within minutes as word got around there may have been a thousand people there yelling for him. He just walked out into the crowd shacking hands. I was a few feet away and was a little nervous but I guess he doesn't care. I guess it is safer what no one knows in advance you are going to be there.

By comparison, yesterday, Hillary could not draw 500 people and it was an announced event. I honestly don't think Hillary would have won the presidency if she had beat Obama in the primaries.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 8:04 PM"

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Chris, this discussion is going to give me ajada for the next four years!

Yes, Palin will run in 2012.

Yes, she will be the nominee.

No, she will not be elected.

Why? Because:
1) her appeal is limited to the extreme right base; she cannot garner the support from the moderate democrats and independents needed to win the presidency; she can't erase her ultra-conservative record;

2) at the top of the ticket, she will have to debate multiple times in the primary, then in the run up to the general election; she will not be able to get away with the scatterbrained non-answers she provided during her one and only VP debate; lets be honest, the words "intellectual" "enlightened" "astute" are never used in the same sentence with "Palin";

3) she is so divisive--a lighting rod--the democrats will organize against her;

4) Obama knows how to organize and execute a campaign; even the republicans are awed by his campaign prowess;

5) 4 yrs. is plenty of time to improve the economy; resolve the Iraq war; make headway in Afghanistan--voters are loath to change horses in the middle of a race they are winning. When life is good, American won't take a risk.

6) the republican party is a bloomin' mess; the fractions agree on nothing and disagree on everything; they look like the democrat party of yore--tis a shame

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 21, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh how I will watch with joy as the 4

Scorpions in the bottle, Mitt, Newt, Sarah and

Huck fight to the nomination in 2012.

In the end, 2012 will be for the republicans

what 1972 (McGovern) was for the

democrats....a 49-state loss!


Posted by: bobnsri | October 21, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: soonerthought | October 21, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I sincerely hope that the Republicans nominate her in 2012! There will no longer be a Republican party afterward!

Posted by: pghbil | October 21, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

A poll just out says over 30% will not vote for Mccain because of Palin. 55% say she is not qualified and she holds the largest negative rating for a VP in the 28 years they have been keeping records. That is a big number. We don't know who they were voting for in the first place but that number means it doesn't matter what Mccain says or does anymore. Palin has turned out to be a big mistake and it is too late now.


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Sure the base loves Palin but this supposed base also loved Thompson and Huckabee. McCain won easily over Thompson and Huckabee had some momentum but wasn't a real threat. She is not smart enough period. She'll never be able to make it out of the Republican primary. Romney is a very smart guy and a pretty good debater. Pawlenty (MN) and Crist (FL) are two capable up and coming national politicians on the GOP side who are more moderate and know a whole lot more than palin.

All the GOP intellects are firmly against Palin. She reads well from the teleprompter and can memorize a canned speech. She just doesn't have the capacity to come up with her own ideas because she just lacks basic intellectual curiosity.

Posted by: jabreal00 | October 21, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't know. Many people find her freshness appealing. In four years she won't be as fresh (and, perhaps not as "hot") but she'll still be appealing to a large group of voters.

I think that it all depends on what happens to the G.O.P. over the next four years. Will an Obama presidency put to bed the culture wars? If so, then Palin will find herself needing to change her approach dramatically if she is to become a permanent player at the federal level.

There are some Republican governors who are doing their own version of governing from the middle: Crist, Daniels, Sanford, and Schwarzenegger, for example. I'd guess that the future of the party lies with politicians like them.

Posted by: Kili | October 21, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

She is a moron NOW.....she will be a Moron in 2012!!!...but if the Moron "R's" want to run her....hehe...We've seen the faded 'brightness' of Bush.....We'll take their ignorance again!:)

Posted by: bigsursal | October 21, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This party is definitely on another planet not in our solar system. Palin memorized a dozen talking points and recited them verbatim rather than thinking on her feet. This counts as a star ascending performance? Well, I guess when your current star is W you have reached the bottom of the barrel. Interesting piece about her in this week's New Yorker.

Posted by: FactChecker1 | October 21, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

What about Mean Jean Schmidt as a running mate for Mrs. Todd Palin?
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Here's looking to lots of mirth and merriment in taking apart the Palin-Bachman ticket in 2012!!!

Posted by: jaysit

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 21, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

steveboyington wrote, "2012 Red America can get what they really want. Palin-Bachmann 2012!"

Betcha (I paid royalties to Palin for the use of the term) Huckabee emerges as the proto-Republican of years to come, and betcha they quit making fun of his populist economic positions.

Buchanan's the master of being "almost but not quite proveably antisemitic, anti-black", etc. Huckabee doesn't carry that weight.

If Huckabee can avoid the anti- "Amen Corner" rant, there's going to come a time when a pro-life, pro-worker Republican can talk to laid-off American factory workers about the problems of free trade that have not yet been addressed.

Palin? I hope she retires in comfort.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Sure the base loves Palin but this supposed base also loved Thompson and Huckabee. McCain won easily over Thompson and Huckabee had some momentum but wasn't a real threat. She is not smart enough period. She'll never be able to make it out of the Republican primary. Romney is a very smart guy and a pretty good debater. Pawlenty (MN) and Crist (FL) are two capable up and coming national politicians on the GOP side who are more moderate and know a whole lot more than palin.

All the GOP intellects are firmly against Palin. She reads well from the teleprompter and can memorize a canned speech. She just doesn't have the capacity to come up with her own ideas because she just lacks basic intellectual curiosity.

Posted by: jabreal00 | October 21, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

No chance for a republikkkon in 2012, I predict Hillary vs Jeb Bush in 2016. Hillary wins.

Posted by: tuttlegroup | October 21, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

steveboyington wrote, "2012 Red America can get what they really want. Palin-Bachmann 2012!"

Betcha (I paid royalties to Palin for the use of the term) Huckabee emerges as the proto-Republican of years to come, and betcha they quit making fun of his populist economic positions.

Buchanan's the master of being "almost but not quite proveably antisemitic, anti-black", etc. Huckabee doesn't carry that weight.

If Huckabee can avoid the anti- "Amen Corner" rant, there's going to come a time when a pro-life Democrat can talk to laid-off American factory workers about the problems of free trade that have not yet been addressed.

Palin? I hope she retires in comfort. *Retires* being the operative term.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Got a call from my wife who is moving around with the campaign and she said in Miami the crowd was so big they had to limit people coming anymore. She said one cop told her it must be over 100,000 comparing it to past crowds. When I saw Obama this afternoon no one knew he was going to be at the office, it was a pop in.

Within minutes as word got around there may have been a thousand people there yelling for him. He just walked out into the crowd shacking hands. I was a few feet away and was a little nervous but I guess he doesn't care. I guess it is safer what no one knows in advance you are going to be there.

By comparison, yesterday, Hillary could not draw 500 people and it was an announced event. I honestly don't think Hillary would have won the presidency if she had beat Obama in the primaries.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Is Palin a 2012 Contender or Pretender?
Short answer: whatever.
Long answer: whatever.

Joan of Ick is one of the main reasons Mac has not been competitive in the race. Whipping up separatists, Yahoos, and Rich Lowry into a frenzy, having them hoot, holler, and, at some point, threaten some hapless minimum-wage AA who is setting up the stage, is not the basis of a 2012 run. Hate is not a family value; rage is not a national strategy.

And the next time around the media, we hope, will not ignore her various "gates": breakwater-gate, Troopergate, S_mbo-gate, failure to release her medical records-gate, etc. That said I'm sure O would love to run against her in 2012 and again in 2016. You betcha, wink, wink.

This is starting to break wide open (Charlie Cook has a great article on this today, see http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/ot_20081021_3912.php)

O up 14 in the PEW poll, 10 in the NBC poll and the Gallup poll. With VA completely gone (easily double figure lead for O), Mac has no conceivable path to 270. Mac is pulling out about everywhere -- the only question is whether he will lose with dignity.

The media folks are debating whether, if they call VA early for O, they can then basically call the whole election for O and let us go to bed by 9:15. Early voting means 1/3 or more of the voters will have voted before Nov. 4 which should blunt any last-minute Mac stunts or bogus "national security" emergencies.

Oct. 29 message of hope: rumors are the O show will be specticularly produced by the other big O, Oprah. Every network will have it on: Bert Lancaster tried to do this in "Seven Days in May" but came up short because Fredric March and Kirk Douglas outsmarted him. But I don't think Mac (894 of 899 at the USNA) is going to outsmart Senator O and the Big O. Again Oct. 29......

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 21, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

That is an absolutely frightening conclusion.

Posted by: DinahS | October 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

You were right Senator McCain.... we've got Obama-Biden right where we want them, on their way to the Whitehouse! Had you chosen a qualified running mate, say Tom Ridge or Mitt Romney, you might have won.
But you did the dumbest thing in the history of presidential politics. This shows an incredible lack of judgement. In essence you chose a running mate that makes Dan Quayle a mental giant. It showed that you would do anything to try to get the Whitehouse, the country be damned. You, sir are not fit to be president. Wrecking airplanes don't make you presidential timber. President Obama is a transformational figure as so eloquently stated by General Powell. He will make this country whole again and restore our leadersip in the world after 8 years of dubbyah and you and your power greedy cronies in that abomnible political fecal party. The Reagan Revolution is dead in the water and so is the republican party. Republicans are bankrupt of ideas, morality, and compassion for their fellow man. Have fun in your 7 houses, drink Bud and send that clueless vindictive palin back to moose country. And,..... run for cover polar bears. You betcha!

Posted by: tuttlegroup | October 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Manolete, having single-handedly elected John McCain president of the United States, opines, "Women of America Unite!
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!"

Sorry, Mano, but I don't think Barack "Hussein" has mugged anyone. Are some of his advocates of the top? Oh yeah. Are some of McCain's advocates over the top? Does your bathroom have a mirror?

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Those who think Sarah could possibly consider running for president in 2012 don't know her very well. She may be ruthless, and she certainly is an opportunist, but she doesn't really have ambition and she doesn't have an intellectual capacity or curiosity. Sarah Palin has been propelled to where she is today through a series of unusual circumstances. The other day she made a most telling comment when she said she doesn't have anything to lose.

John McCain, on the other hand, does have ambition, and has everything to lose. He has already given up the last shred of his honour, and soon he will have lost the very last chance to prove his worth to his father and grandfather. Sarah's story may be silly, but John's story is sad.

Posted by: CanadianEh2 | October 21, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The sexism argument is so tired.

Clearly the McCain campaign has succeeded in working the refs on this one.

Notice how Palin NEVER gets asked tough questions anymore?? I guess the media feels pity on her after that Couric interview.

Posted by: holzhaacker | October 21, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

2012 Red America can get what they really want. Palin-Bachmann 2012!

Posted by: steveboyington | October 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

STOP MASTURBATING OVER PALIN, CILLIZZA!

Posted by: uh_huhh | October 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

S
arah needs to get through a few obstacles before she can think about that. She is just now being interviewed for the investigation she sanctioned by the personnel board. The Alaska legislature could still decide to impeach her in January when they meet. And now today a little investigation on how she charged the state for her kids' travel. Read it here:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/165012

Watch Bobby Jindal keep his head down and do his work. There's Mr. 2012.

Posted by: bjalexa | October 21, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin has become a cult figure among the true believers in the Republican party. They will generate enough money and over the top enthusiasm come 2012. How would you like to be a male Republican candidate trying to lay a hand on Saint Sarah??

This is the gift of McCain that will keep on giving. Putting at the center of Republican national politics an unelectable, incompetent fringe figure. She's also getting a free pass right now from most Dems because they don't want to take shots that could backfire when already well ahead in the race. But if she resurfaces for 2012 (and why not with all that adulation?), all muck dredged up by, among others, AP reporters will torpedo her, yet only endear her more intensely to the base. This is an absolute win-win for the Dems. Go Sarah!!

Posted by: fjwas | October 21, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

dawnisis, isn't there a contradiction between demanding that Palin release to the public all the records her gynecologist kept, and the supreme court's rationale for legal abortion, which is a woman's right to privacy?

I don't know what to make of this: "It is obvious there is something horrible in those records." I suspect it's bogus, and beyond that, I don't feel as though it's any of my business.

There you have it. A pro-Palin post from me. Even I am surprised.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Women of America Unite!
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!

Women must unite against the liberal media vicious, sexist, cruel, demeaning, contemptuous UN-AMERICAN, unfair, unprofessional, unrelenting and blatantly biased treatment against Vice President Sarah Palin and acting blatantly in favor of Barack Hussein Obama during this unprecedented historic quest for the presidency!

Barack Hussein Obama claims a mightier throne, one forged in liberal ideals of justice and equality and hope, BUT he has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent. Obama supporters seem very happy with the sexist way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by Sarah Palin, and many believe that most of the "venom" in the campaign is coming from supporters of Obama.

Women of America Unite in this defining moment in American history. To ensure we can grow up from the male dominated government that has caused many of the problems our country is facing; to a country where men and women are equal partners in governance.

Women of America Unite
Unite against the sexist media and Barack Hussein’s Mugging of Vice President, Sarah Palin!
VOTE for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 21, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain-Palin are playing to the Republican base in the very year they need to be running to the center.

Sarah Palin has succeeded in turning off most independents and nearly all Democrats.

She'll have to change her image if she wants to lead the Republicans out of the wilderness.

Posted by: holzhaacker | October 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

You know, if someone told me that I could win a million dollars if I just went out and say something mean to somebody, I'd have to give it a few minutes of thought. And then I'd probably find a way to be mean to somebody so I could collect. But after I had done that a few times, and I had my several millions, I'd probably get sick of being mean for money, and I'd try to go in the other direction. Maybe by 2012, Sarah Palin will have experienced the same sort of journey. Maybe by then she'll see that, although the job of Pres. is a desirable one, it's not worth losing your entire soul over. OK, a lie here and there, but not this racist, sexist, "pro-America/anti-America" divisiveness. She has gone way too far, too far to come back for a long, long time. Actually, 2012 is probably a bit too early.

Posted by: mcleangirl | October 21, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"Like her or hate her, it seems likely that Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin will be back in 2012."

I don't care, I'd mostly just like for her to get an education by then. Four years is plenty of time to upgrade that associates degree, baby.

Posted by: Terrorfied | October 21, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign stated that Sarah Palin's medical records will NOT be released EVER. She may get a pass since she is running for Vice Pres. but if she decides to run for Pres. that simply will not fly with the American people.
It is obvious there is something horrible in those records: mental illness? Trig is her daughters baby? etc. If she had a clean bill of health the McCain campaign would have showered the media with her medical records to make-up for the fact McCain only allowed limited viewing of his own records.
By the way, the MSM giving Palin coverage as a viable candidate before releasing her medical records or giving a press conference is treasonous. Bloggers offer opinons you guys are supposed to investigate and report.

Posted by: dawnisis | October 21, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I would pay money to see Sarah Palin in Congress. Man, if you thought Jim Traficant was crazy ...

Posted by: Route1 | October 21, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin = Dan Quayle in a dress.

Posted by: holzhaacker | October 21, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin epitomizes what we all most despise in politicians. She will say anything to get votes. Whether what she is saying is true or not is of no consequence to her. In fact, she seems to relish in lies and once in while might say something that has a small element of reality to it. Why anyone would take anything that she says seriously is beyond me. Some people are "born ready". Sarah Palin will never be ready. Electing her and her running mate would spell disaster.

Posted by: MickyD1 | October 21, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"Example 1 of a brain-dead SNL fan. no sign of intelligence there. note the use of the term alleged media bias. what a maroon.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:47 PM |"

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King-

You and Palin would get along well....you didn't even bother to respond to the content of my post. S

Simply put, Palin can't even handle Katie Couric or Charlie Gibson, much less could she actually handle somebody asking her tough questions.

And you called me a "maroon" to boot....


Posted by: holzhaacker | October 21, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

jwallace1 wrote, "...The "D-Students of America" ticket..."

That sizes up this Republican ticket very well!

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin honestly should have had a career in show business, and I mean that sincerely. She could very quietly be a racist and charm people and make a good living in the entertainment industry with her meager educational background.

As a candidate for any office, I just can't "buy her brand".

I grew up in Springfield, Illinois -- the "Land of Lincoln", which is a moderate Republican area. We take our place in history very seriously, and we are taught all the details about what Mr. Lincoln did, and what he believed from the time we were able to read.

Ironically, the GOP was founded upon principles of tolerance. I ask you, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation? A Republican.

I simply will not vote for a ticket with Gov. Palin on it. Not only does her racist rhetoric repel me, but the pandering to anti-intellectualism is not the way forward.

The "D-Students of America" ticket does not seem to be one that leads us into a future where we need to work hard and recapture our greatness as a country. We must re-energize the way we work, and become the country that designs and builds the products of the future as in the past.

Being merely natural resource exploiters (e.g. the oil business) or the promoters of ill-conceived "financial products", with politicians such as Gov. Palin as enablers, is not a real future. I should know, being one of the mathematicians who spurned offers to become a "quant" and instead started a company that is creating revolutionary technology that will help build those products of the future. Much to the dismay of my family until the past month. Our business is picking up a bit just as everything else is going down.

Posted by: jwallace1 | October 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse


The metrics of a McCain comeback are too overwhelming, Are you ready to call it for Barack Obama?


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Posted by: usadblake | October 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

As I have so eloquently stated in numerous posts,Sarah Palin is running neck and neck with the economy as the biggest reason that Obama will win the election.I am being proven right.It's hard to be humble.
To answer your question,Chris,she's uh-uh-uh,a pretender now and forever.
Didn't Colin Powell and Tina Fey make this perfectly clear?
Geez.

Posted by: klowry57 | October 21, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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Palin has a couple of problems with 2012:

1) She still won't have the necessary gravitas to beat Obama's reelection. (Remember, the hypothetical we are working under is that Obama will win in 2008.) Palin needs to get some national / international experience under her belt. Can she make it to the Senate by 2012? (Will Stevens retire?) Will the majority Dems in the Senate allow her to hold any significant committee seats if she does get there? (Ditto for the House).

2) Obama's 1st term will be pretty popular. By 2012 the economy will turn around and Obama will look the hero. Even if not, will America think the solution to the ongoing problems is to turn the White House over to Sarah Palin? I think not.

Palin should look toward 2016. By then she could be a 2nd term Senator/Congresswoman and her prospects will look better. But by then I believe some other shiny new GOP'er will beat her in the primaries.

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Posted by: egc52556 | October 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Run, Baby, Run! Sarah Palin can not only be the, umm, second woman from a major party to lose her bid to be Vice President, but can be the FIRST woman from a major party to lose her bid to be President. That's breaking the glass cellin' ... Palin style!

Posted by: fletc3her | October 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

pbarnett52 wrote, "I am concentrating on this year's election. Only silly fools, Mr. Cillizza included, are thinking about some future and very abstract time."

Allow me to attempt a translation into less guarded English.

"I'm first and foremost partisan, and want so-and-so to be elected. Mr. Cillizza isn't first and foremost partisan."

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

My preference would be Tina Fey.

Tina is smarter than Sarah, which is a good start.

For the wild eyed conservatives Tina could give the same speech as Sarah and they wouldn't know the difference.

Both Democrats and Republicans trust Tina.

Posted by: KHMJr | October 21, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

She better be the pubs candidate in 2012. I'll actively campaign for her in the primary. She may be the best thing that's happened to the dems since Obama!

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Get serious, please. She'll be indicted for fraud before then. Look at her travel reports and the way she had them alterted to show her kisa were with her on "official" business. How stupid can you be/ Did she really think no one would uncover this? If I lived in Alaska, I would be damn mad that my tax dollar is funding this woman's fun times with her "dude" husband and the kiddies. It's called FRAUD, WASTE & ABUSE.

Posted by: pookiecat | October 21, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin runs against Obama in 2012, I would be very satisfied with that. Of course, I support Obama.

The problem with the GOP is not just the sales force, it's the product. The GOP is like Chrysler. No-one wants their s---, but they haven't figured it out yet.

Posted by: Route1 | October 21, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

She'll be forgotten very fast. People will draw a blank 5 months from now when asked to identify McCain's running mate. I've already forgotten whatshername!

Posted by: johng1 | October 21, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Elitists Anonymous

Now we come to another kind of problem: the intellectually self-sufficient man or woman. To these, many E.A.'s can say, "Yes, we were like you--far too smart for our own good. We loved to have people call us precocious. We used our education to blow ourselves up into prideful balloons, though we were careful to hide this from others. Secretly, we felt we could float above the rest of the folks on our brainpower alone. Scientific progress told us there was nothing man couldn't do. Knowledge was all-powerful. Intellect could conquer nature. Since we were brighter than most folks (so we thought), the spoils of victory would be ours for the thinking. The god of intellect displaced the God of our fathers.

Posted by: shedhair | October 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

truthtopower40, RE your 6:46 PM comment, you make a most eloquent and reasonable Democratic case for '08, but it seems to me a non-sequitur to follow the strong arguments with the implication that a position against gay marriage ignores or disagrees with the points you made.

I'd think that a person could agree with every point you made before you got to gay marriage, and still disagree with your position on gay marriage.

I suspect that's where the new opposition to Democratic party orthodoxy will come from - people who agree that we're fighting too many wars, have a broken healthcare system, etc, but who are still socially conservative on issues like abortion and gay marriage.

When I read Andrew Sullivan going on about needing more details about Palin's latest pregnancy, and put it next to his vitriolic anti-Hillary position, I really am inclined to wonder whether it's conducive to a person's happiness and well-being to be as he is.

Long story short, I agree with what I understand to be Obama's agenda on war and peace, the domestic economy, and health care. Beyond that, I've got issues, but those issues won't bring me anywhere near voting for McCain/Palin this time 'round.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping Palin makes a bid at 2012. She's been the best thing for the Democratic Party since Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: tsawyer_mv | October 21, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't see Palin with much of a future as a Presidental candidate. Should she and McCain lose this election, I would suggest her future in Alaskan politics may well be in the toliet. More and more negatives are coming out of the closet with regard to her ethics in handling the office and her personal expenditures utilizing tax money for family travels to non required situations. Her ethics are a concern of both Republican and Democrat state legisators and are under current scrunity not only her personal expendures but abuse of her authority. With continued digging into her records I would guess there could be more of something that will come up.

She has very little creditability with the country as a whole outside the hardcore Consertative base and is looked on as unfavorable with the majority of the country including women who seen early this was not someone that was destined to help forward women's opportunity in government. There are many women currently in Government that can offer more intellegent and postive contributions to leadership of an government office.

I would suspect should Palin place herself in the public eye again as a candidate for President or even VP the hands off aproach she has enjoyed thus far will be forgotten. The free pass will end with this campaign and if another, the baracudda just might get sharked.

Posted by: 1ken | October 21, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I am concentrating on this year's election. Only silly fools, Mr. Cillizza included, are thinking about some future and very abstract time.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | October 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I must leave you Libs to your mindless chanting once again.

hope, hope, hope.

change, change, change

change you can believe in, nothing you can put your finger on though.

more like "I hope I have a little change left in my pocket after the messiah is done with me."

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised, if there was a push for her in 2012... but Palin has a long way to go to reassure anyone outside of her party, that she can do the job.

( This Independent wouldn't vote for her. )

The biggest problem for Palin is that 'hype', if that's what it is, doesn't usually sustain itself for four years.

This election has energized people to get involved and there will be more than enough people running next time - in all parties.

Posted by: wolfi101 | October 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Answering questions would actually require her to articulate something other than "maverick" or "you betcha" or "real America".

Posted by: holzhaacker


Example 1 of a brain-dead SNL fan. no sign of intelligence there. note the use of the term alleged media bias. what a maroon.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

CC, I wonder if you have taken into account this possibility: That conservatives, after pointing fingers to place the blame for the failure of the Bush administration and of neo-conservative economic, social, and national security policies, will look inward to re-define what it means to be conservative and how the Republican party can become a genuinely viable political philosophy and party.

In re-making themselves, will the Republicans party of 2011 see much prospect in a Palin candidacy? Seems to me Palin is more representative of the failed Republican party of today than she would be of a revitalized future Republican party.

Posted by: ChokoChuckles | October 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Let me see if I get this...

We are fighting two wars that have our armed forces stretched to the breaking point, at least one of which is not going well, and that we cannot afford.

We are in the midst of the worst financial crisis in 80 years with no clear way forward.

Our middle class families have seen their incomes stagnate over the past decade, are scared to death that their jobs are in jeopardy, and are increasingly worried about providing a good education for their children let alone saving for retirement.

We have a health care system that is not delivering the goods and that is unsustainable cost-wise.

Our broken public educational system, coupled with our failure to invest in both research and in infrastructure development is allowing our competitors to eat our lunch in new technologies.

And I could go on...

Meanwhile the person who thinks she should be considered for the presidency in 2012 is offering us a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage!!!???

It would be hilarious if it were not so tragic. This kind of BS MUST stop!!!

WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!

Posted by: truthtopower40 | October 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

i believe she has a fair chance in 2012 for she's well knowledge of domestic & world issues, free of any legal matter during the next 4 years and appeal to the independent voters because Rep Only will get her nomination but not win the office. i personally will not vote for her because she's deep red conservative, not just conservative on some issues. she has a very forceful character which can translate into extreme measures in the govt. structure...

Posted by: abc2008 | October 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"(1) Election 2012 will kick off on November 5, 2008. Palin may not be the ultimate nominee, but she'll be the clear front-runner. No one excites the base the way she does.""

Personally, I'm putting my money on Romney.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, can we finish the '08 election first?

Posted by: tellthetruth01 | October 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Please answer my Democratic, feminist prayers and let the Republican Party elevate this empty dress to run in '12. You betcha I'd be on cloud 9.

Gibberish '12.

Posted by: truth2 | October 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

wapo9 wrote:

[quoting me] "That is just sad. What's to be excited about? Good looks? Ability to get in a dig without being responded to in kind because she's female? That is just sad."

[wapo9 responding] What's to be excited about? That he's black? The ability to get in a dig without being responded to in kind because he's black? That is just sad.

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I know a good rejoinder when I see one. Touche. I'm having my wounds attended to...brb

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"(1) Election 2012 will kick off on November 5, 2008. Palin may not be the ultimate nominee, but she'll be the clear front-runner. No one excites the base the way she does."
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Wait a minute. What happened to Ronald Reagan? Chris, are you insulting Ronald Reagan? 'Cause *he* excites the base. Lib'rul media.

Posted by: tellthetruth01 | October 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey King of Zouk--

Quit whining about your alleged media bias...

Unlike Palin, Obama has answered questions for the last TWO YEARS from EVERY major news outlet in the country, including Fox....Obama even went on O'Reilly, which is hardly friendly turf for a Democrat.

If Palin can't even handle standard-issue questions from Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson, do you really think she'd hold up against Olbermann?

We'll never know because she seems to think that answering questions doesn't apply to candidates for national office.

Answering questions would actually require her to articulate something other than "maverick" or "you betcha" or "real America".

Posted by: holzhaacker | October 21, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Does Sarah Palin have a decent chance at becoming the president in 2012? That's an interesting question. In order to decide that question, you need to know as much as possible about Palin. You can find out everything you need to know by going to the Dailysource's special section on Palin, at dailysource.org/palinvideos. There, you'll find videoclips and interviews as well as articles covering her stance on a wide variety of issues.

Posted by: ds2oo81 | October 21, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Here's looking to lots of mirth and merriment in taking apart the Palin-Bachman ticket in 2012!!!

Posted by: jaysit | October 21, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

You have to be kidding to suggest that Palin
is qualified to run in 2012. She is not qualified now, McCains' desperate gamble has failed.Palin is just an attack dog with very little knowledge of World Politics and lots of baggage in her short time.She did a fine job of waving her arms back and forth on SNL. Maybe she can be a Cheerleader for some high school.Americans are just not that stupid to except Palin.

Posted by: fotoartiste | October 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Why else would someone like be so secretive?

Posted by: popasmoke


I must assume that you already know the answer to this since it is your candidate who has fleeced the voters with absolutely no facts, hidden his actual resume, buried his transcripts, forged his birth certificate, clouded his votes and friends, nuanced his positions, etc.

there has never been such an unknown this close to office. I can't wait for the surprise at the bottom of the box.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"I suspect they contain information on an abortion she had as well as treatment for drug abuse she herself has already admitted to."

DRUG ABUSE?

Seriously?

You mean the fact that she smoked marijuana when it was legal under Alaska law?

Fetch me my fainting couch! I cannot handle this horrible revelation!

Posted by: wapo9 | October 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Unless she's in prison.

Posted by: tellthetruth01 | October 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"That is just sad. What's to be excited about? Good looks? Ability to get in a dig without being responded to in kind because she's female? That is just sad."

What's to be excited about? That he's black? The ability to get in a dig without being responded to in kind because he's black? That is just sad.

Posted by: wapo9 | October 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"Question for all the Stewart/Colbert fanboys:

"If Obama wins and the Democrats get 60 seats in the Senate, who will these folks make fun of?"


You?

Posted by: castanea | October 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Btw - The Duke's real name was Marion.

Posted by: bondjedi


I had no idea you hit for the other team. not that I care a whit. but I guess in retrospect, your name BJ gives it away.

you can just come out now and call yourself bone-jumper, the french aspect is no longer needed. I promise to still call you BJ for short.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party will be in tatters and the conservative coalition for the last 28 years will disintegrate. Palin will be no more than a fringe candidate for the religous right, with the physical conservatives and social moderates desserting the GOP. I have to agree with David Brooks and Peggy Noonan, Palin is the worst thing that could happen to the GOP.

Posted by: Lawrence2 | October 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh YES! Could it get any better than if McPalin runs against President Obama in 2012? Please, please neo-cons do it, do it, do it!!!

FYI: 344/193 11.05.08

Posted by: mytake1 | October 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Palin has shown herself to be a lightweight. All style and no substance."

The same can be said about Barack "Hopey Changitude" Obama, and yet he's poised for a landslide.

Posted by: wapo9 | October 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Newly released medical records from vice presidential candidate Joe Biden do not include the results of any recent brain scans, which some experts consider necessary to assess whether the senator is at risk for a repeat of the brain aneurysms that nearly killed him 20 years ago.


I must assume they took a brain scan and found the photo plate empty.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse
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Notice Palin will not release any records under any circumstances. I suspect they contain information on an abortion she had as well as treatment for drug abuse she herself has already admitted to. We don't know when the last time she was treated for drugs or is she may still be a drug abuser. They won't even release a blood test. Why else would someone like be so secretive?

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Re: SNL - this was the highest rated show for them in decades. wonder why? because the naval gazing Libs who never met anyone who voted R simply don't understand the outside NY/LA menatality. no one watches SNL or CBS or MSDNC or reads the NYSlimes because it is simply circular reasoning with no news value. what was the point of a smear piece on cindy Mccain - simple meanness."

Well, ALL of the Palin episodes have been doing really well. I can promise you that people didn't watch the latest episode out of respect for the woman.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

wapo9 wrote, "All of these anti-Palin comments ignore a few important facts:

(1) Election 2012 will kick off on November 5, 2008. Palin may not be the ultimate nominee, but she'll be the clear front-runner. No one excites the base the way she does."

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That is just sad. What's to be excited about? Good looks? Ability to get in a dig without being responded to in kind because she's female? That is just sad.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"FYI: 433/193 11.05.08."

You are astonishingly bad at math.

But Palin's the dumb one, not you. Right?

Posted by: wapo9 | October 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

""she's the nominee, she'll actually have to answer real questions....""

why her and not THE ONE? can we establish a set of rules for all. Is experience needed or not. I guess NOT. Is truthfulness required - no. how about answers to questions, even from plumbers - only for Rs. A voting record. a set of accomplishments. school transcripts. a VP who makes sense on occasion? Fealty to promises made - certainly not. Admission of errors - never. a single friend that is left to stand by you. not gonna happen this time. humility, frugality uh uh no way.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

This has to be a joke. Is it an early April Fool's? The Repubs do continue to make awful partisan choices for candidates, so I guess it is possible - they did choose George W.

Life is far stranger than fiction. Why would America want to regress that far in a global economy?

I think the idea is merely a Repbulican talking point right now so the illusion of her actual qualification somehow takes a back seat. I mean, if some morons are talking about her as a future presidential candidate, then she must at least be vice-presidential.

Not!

Posted by: DonJulio | October 21, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I say, 'OH YES' let's have McPalin running at the top of the GOP ticket against President Obama in 2012! Shrill, baby, shrill. Please, please neo-cons do it, do it, do it!

FYI: 433/193 11.05.08.

Posted by: mytake1 | October 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Question for all the Stewart/Colbert fanboys:

If Obama wins and the Democrats get 60 seats in the Senate, who will these folks make fun of?

Posted by: wapo9 | October 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Newly released medical records from vice presidential candidate Joe Biden do not include the results of any recent brain scans, which some experts consider necessary to assess whether the senator is at risk for a repeat of the brain aneurysms that nearly killed him 20 years ago.


I must assume they took a brain scan and found the photo plate empty.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Palin has shown herself to be a lightweight. All style and no substance. You heard it here first: Not only will Palin NOT be the nominee in 2012, I bet she won't even be reelected governor of Alaska.

Posted by: jamesgrosser | October 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain would be doing better in the polls if he had nominated Huckabee.

Huckabee wouldn't have generated the same excitement, but he also wouldn't have prompted so many questions about McCain's judgement and so many off-message days for the McCain campaign.

Posted by: holzhaacker | October 21, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Assuming the worst, it is irrefutable that the congress will revert back to R control after two years of the SPLURGE and skyrocketing misery index - the result of the ultra liberal agenda with no oversight or reason attached.

and much like the un-vaunted Jimmy carter, the messiah will be shown the door after a single term, to go build houses, co-write more books with Ayers and make his own foreign policy of surrender and accomodation.

the Rs could run a moose and beat the false messiah who never lived up to his promise (again, I think I see a pattern here).

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

She needs to do some serious studying up on policy if she wants to have a chance.

She can't just go around in a media cocoon like she has this time. If she's the nominee, she'll actually have to answer real questions....and, no, questions from Sean Hannity and Greta Van Susteren don't count.

Posted by: holzhaacker | October 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I think you are probably right that she will consider a run for the R nomination in '12, assuming McCain doesn't win. But, history has not been kind to second banana also-rans.

There is a distortion in her popularity because the base that Palin appeals to was so very desparate for a tonic to McCain. Palin satisfied that need. The question is how she would fare against, say, a Mike Huckabee who has great Christian Conservative values, who I would say gives you more than Palin could in terms of substance and oratory skill. Plus he comes off like an affable sort, Palin not so much (SNL appearance notwithstanding).

Also, once Palin is out of the echo chamber, and back up in Alaska she'll naturally start to fade from our memories.

Bottom line, though, we really have no clue who the '12 nominee will be, see e.g., Clinton vs. Guiliani in '12... what happened to that!

Posted by: MShake | October 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

She needs to do some serious studying up on policy if she wants to have a chance.

She can't just go around in a media cocoon like she has this time. If she's the nominee, she'll actually have to answer real questions.

Posted by: holzhaacker | October 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Zouk - there are many John Wayne flicks that are gayer than Brokeback Mountain.

Wasn't George Takei in "The Green Berets"?

I know that The Duke co-starred with Rock Hudson in at least one flick. Ditto Randolph Scott and Montgomery Clift.

Btw - The Duke's real name was Marion.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 21, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Behold, the best Daily Show episode ever!


Jon Stewart eviscerates the GOP's "real" America attacks, demolishing both Nancy Pfotenhauer ("real" Virginia) and Michele Bachmann (Bachmann Turncoat Overdrive) and offering audio of Sarah Palin's infamous "pro-America" areas of the country comment.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=188635&title=pfriend-or-pfoe
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Why 2012? If two years from now the economy shows signs it is perking up and Obama's ratings are above 40%, wait until 2016. In 2016 there will be no incumbent Democrat (Joe and HRC will be too old) and they'll have had eight years to produce the inevitable scandals.

To those who poo-poo Palin, she'll have 2-6 years to study, visit foreign countries and do something in Alaska. She doesn't need to do much, just one program that a PR firm can rah-rah for a few years until everyone is convinced she actually did something. Think Bush II and Clinton on education. Moving your state from 47 to 46 in education? That isn't an achievement, it's normal statistical error, but that is not how everyone accepted it. Combine her popularity with the base, a little study on issues with some foreign travel and an achievement back home and you have everything necessary to capture the nomination. The only thing Palin really has to fear is that the Republican party will follow its current trajectory unchecked and she'll be too liberal for the base come 2015.

Posted by: caribis | October 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin may be back in 2012 or even in 2008 for that matter (assuming she loses this November), but she will have plenty of competition. The moderate wing of the GOP dislikes her, and will probably blame her ideology and McCain's dirty tactics for losing the White House. If Obama and the Dems are disciplined and keep it together and play to the middle, they may win the votes of those very moderate Republicans and keep the White House out of play for the GOP. And unless Palin doesn't move to the middle, she and her fellow ideologues may forever be footnotes in history.

Posted by: jaysit | October 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

her appeal beyond that group is the appeal of a car wreck to rubberneckers [sorry KOZ, but that must explain the SNL ratings].

Posted by: mark_in_austin

your hypothesis does not include the other phenom I mentioned - Fox domination, sliding NYTimes influence and value, talk radio, conservative books. these are not rubberneckers but regular consumers.

I posit that the Obama coup is the last desperate attempt of the old fading media jackels to rule the roost with a surrogate candidate with no appreciable background or voting record. this is indeed a change of the rules and represents a major realignment of forces, with the liberal media willingly and openly aligning with the extreme liberal wing of the Democrats. It is a brilliant marketing strategy based on a population of shallow and attention deficit voters with inclinations for free goodies. It is however unsunstainable and ungovernable. substance will dominate over spin eventually and it looks like the recent polls are showing this trend.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Rodham Clinton gained almost no traction against Obama in the primary with the line of attack that Republicans would rip the Illinois senator to shreds and if Obama is elected in two weeks time the "electability" argument may be put out to pasture for some time to come.

This is possibly the dumbest statement in this entire piece, which is really saying something. Of course Democrats considered electability in our choice of nominee. And some of us, rightly, determined that Obama was more electable than Hillary. It may be hard for you to comprehend, but many of us don't actually believe everything a presidential candidate says. And that extends to their electability arguments.

And if you believed Hillary when she claimed to be more electable...well...that's a whole other problem.

Posted by: slag | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

All of these anti-Palin comments ignore a few important facts:

(1) Election 2012 will kick off on November 5, 2008. Palin may not be the ultimate nominee, but she'll be the clear front-runner. No one excites the base the way she does. If you're not in the GOP base, you can't really understand it. Let me put it in terms you folks may understand: you know how you feel about Obama? That's how the GOP base feels about Palin, but without the creepy messianic cult thing. There's no one else who comes close. She's got a huge head start on everyone else in the party. This isn't to say there won't be other strong candidates, but Palin has all the advantages.

(2) Saying that the base or Alaskans are going to abandon her is wishful thinking.

(3) It's impossible to know what the political landscape will look like in four years. I know this is impossible for Obama cultists to believe, but your messiah may be as unpopular in 2012 as Bush is in 2008. Just as basically ANY Democrat could win in 2008, perhaps almost ANY Republican might be able to win in 2012. It's too soon to know that, of course, but 2012 could be a year in which whomever receives the GOP nomination is a lock in November. And Palin will get the nomination if she wants it.

Posted by: wapo9 | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

All of these anti-Palin comments ignore a few important facts:

(1) Election 2012 will kick off on November 5, 2008. Palin may not be the ultimate nominee, but she'll be the clear front-runner. No one excites the base the way she does. If you're not in the GOP base, you can't really understand it. Let me put it in terms you folks may understand: you know how you feel about Obama? That's how the GOP base feels about Palin, but without the creepy messianic cult thing. There's no one else who comes close. She's got a huge head start on everyone else in the party. This isn't to say there won't be other strong candidates, but Palin has all the advantages.

(2) Saying that the base or Alaskans are going to abandon her is wishful thinking.

(3) It's impossible to know what the political landscape will look like in four years. I know this is impossible for Obama cultists to believe, but your messiah may be as unpopular in 2012 as Bush is in 2008. Just as basically ANY Democrat could win in 2008, perhaps almost ANY Republican might be able to win in 2012. It's too soon to know that, of course, but 2012 could be a year in which whomever receives the GOP nomination is a lock in November. And Palin will get the nomination if she wants it.

Posted by: wapo9 | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin reminds me of Ross Perot in 1992. When Ross went on Larry King, people thought this "Maverick" was going to get under the hood and fix Washington. You may remember at one time Perot was leading Bush and Clinton in the polls. Then folks started to get to know Ross and his appeal faded. The Palin phenomenon is very similar. She did great in the polls until people learned more about her and her politics. It is more likely she will become a Fox News talking head than a serious candidate in 2012.

Posted by: ericlashley | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

You must be kidding. Governor Palin needs to go back to Alaska (if they want her back), and educate herself on what this entire country is all about. Learning the English language might be helpful too.

Posted by: oliver6 | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

You must be kidding. Governor Palin needs to go back to Alaska (if they want her back), and educate herself on what this entire country is all about. Learning the English language might be helpful too.

Posted by: oliver6 | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The bloom is off the rat. The Moose Whisperer will disappear back into the swamps from whence she came, never to be seen again. On a quiet, moonlit night you may hear her lyrical howl of rage echoing across the tundra...

Anyone watch Jon Stewart Monday night? The show featured a hilarious interview with the current mayor of Wasilla, who was hard-pressed to come up with any answer to the question of "what do you actually do?" After much hemming and hawing, she finally stated that she has a staff meeting on Monday and signs checks every Thursday. And the amazing part is that this woman is just as qualified as Sarah Palin to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

Posted by: jerkhoff | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

jdunph1: You're really, really, really a very weird dude. Man, "you, yours. mine, his, hers...." this is a newspaper. Get a life!

Posted by: thinkbeforeyoutalk | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

You must be kidding. Governor Palin needs to go back to Alaska (if they want her back), and educate herself on what this entire country is all about. Learning the English language might be helpful too.

Posted by: oliver6 | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin reminds me of Ross Perot in 1992. When Ross went on Larry King, people thought this "Maverick" was going to get under the hood and fix Washington. You may remember at one time Perot was leading Bush and Clinton in the polls. Then folks started to get to know Ross and his appeal faded. The Palin pheenomenon is very similar. She did great in the polls until people learned more about her and her politics. It is more likely she will become a Fox News talking head than a serious candidate in 2012.

Posted by: ericlashley | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama leads McCain by 8 points.

Posted by: HalBowman | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there is something Palin can contend for. Perhaps she can go into acting. She does quite well with the fake dialect and mannerisms (watch clips of when she was younger to see how fake she is… she has certainly perfected it). The Hallmark channel will likely be happy to showcase her talents.

Posted by: Fleder | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there is something Palin can contend for. Perhaps she can go into acting. She does quite well with the fake dialect and mannerisms (watch clips of when she was younger to see how fake she is… she has certainly perfected it). The Hallmark channel will likely be happy to showcase her talents.

Posted by: Fleder | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there is something Palin can contend for. Perhaps she can go into acting. She does quite well with the fake dialect and mannerisms (watch clips of when she was younger to see how fake she is… she has certainly perfected it). The Hallmark channel will likely be happy to showcase her talents.

Posted by: Fleder | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The bloom is off the rat. The Moose Whisperer will disappear back into the swamps from whence she came, never to be seen again. On a quiet, moonlit night you may hear her lyrical howl of rage echoing across the tundra...

Anyone watch Jon Stewart Monday night? The show featured a hilarious interview with the current mayor of Wasilla, who was hard-pressed to come up with any answer to the question of "what do you actually do?" After much hemming and hawing, she finally stated that she has a staff meeting on Monday and signs checks every Thursday. And the amazing part is that this woman is just as qualified as Sarah Palin to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

Posted by: jerkhoff | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Palin, McCain, Obama, and Biden is that they are trying to force their own agenda on the citizens instead of serving them. None of them are listening to the will of the people.

Our elected public servants are no longer listening to us. The bank bailout is not the only issue. The vast majority of American citizens have been against our continued presence in Iraq, against amnesty of illegal aliens, against more H-1B visas, against the continued shipment of our jobs offshore, and against more government growth and spending, but the government continues to support these things with legislation and to grow and spend. Almost half of us believe that 9/11 was an inside job, but no one is calling for an independent investigation. We want to wean ourselves from our dependence on foreign oil, but Congress and the Senate play with renewable tax credits like they are a volleyball. Who they are listening to is not clear, but it can only be surmised from looking at their lists of campaign contributions.

http://ewebsmith.com/Finance/notlistening.html

Posted by: websmith1 | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Mooselini is incapable of chewing gum and watching the Jerry Springer show at the same time.

She does not even know what is happening in the State she supposed to be governing.

"Senior officials of Russian energy company Gazprom, including personal associates of Vladimir Putin, met in Anchorage with Alaska's Department of Natural Resources to discuss investing in energy projects in the state. Governor Sarah Palin said that she did not know about the meeting." ~ this week's Harper's Weekly Review

Posted by: pali2500 | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Behold, the best Daily Show episode ever!


Jon Stewart eviscerates the GOP's "real" America attacks, demolishing both Nancy Pfotenhauer ("real" Virginia) and Michele Bachmann (Bachmann Turncoat Overdrive) and offering audio of Sarah Palin's infamous "pro-America" areas of the country comment.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=188635&title=pfriend-or-pfoe
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

her appeal beyond that group is the appeal of a car wreck to rubberneckers [sorry KOZ, but that must explain the SNL ratings].

Posted by: mark_in_austin

your hypothesis does not include the other phenom I mentioned - Fox domination, sliding NYTimes influence and value, talk radio, conservative books. these are not rubberneckers but regular consumers.

I posit that the Obama coup is the last desperate attempt of the old fading media jackels to rule the roost with a surrogate candidate with no appreciable background or voting record. this is indeed a change of the rules and represents a major realignment of forces, with the liberal media willingly and openly aligning with the extreme liberal wing of the Democrats. It is a brilliant marketing strategy based on a population of shallow and attention deficit voters with inclinations for free goodies. It is however unsunstainable and ungovernable. substance will dominate over spin eventually and it looks like the recent polls are showing this trend.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

her appeal beyond that group is the appeal of a car wreck to rubberneckers [sorry KOZ, but that must explain the SNL ratings].

Posted by: mark_in_austin

your hypothesis does not include the other phenom I mentioned - Fox domination, sliding NYTimes influence and value, talk radio, conservative books. these are not rubberneckers but regular consumers.

I posit that the Obama coup is the last desperate attempt of the old fading media jackels to rule the roost with a surrogate candidate with no appreciable background or voting record. this is indeed a change of the rules and represents a major realignment of forces, with the liberal media willingly and openly aligning with the extreme liberal wing of the Democrats. It is a brilliant marketing strategy based on a population of shallow and attention deficit voters with inclinations for free goodies. It is however unsunstainable and ungovernable. substance will dominate over spin eventually and it looks like the recent polls are showing this trend.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk, bring that education of yours to bear, if you would, on these questions:

1. George W. Bush inherited a budget surplus from Bill Clinton. Like Reagan before him, he went on to run budget deficits throughout his presidency. QUESTION: What has changed, since the era (Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford) when Republicans argued for "fiscal responsibility" and "balanced budgets", and accused Democratic administrations of being fiscally profligate for distributing more government largesse than they were willing to recover through taxation?
RELATED QUESTION: Which post-WWII president paid for the war he waged by imposing a surtax that he knew would be extremely unpopular on top of the income tax? Was it wrong for him to do so? Is it right for George W. Bush to ask no sacrifice of a nation he's taken into two wars, but rather to suggest that their patriotic duty is to keep shopping?

I have more questions, but that's a start.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Palin, McCain, Obama, and Biden is that they are trying to force their own agenda on the citizens instead of serving them. None of them are listening to the will of the people.

Our elected public servants are no longer listening to us. The bank bailout is not the only issue. The vast majority of American citizens have been against our continued presence in Iraq, against amnesty of illegal aliens, against more H-1B visas, against the continued shipment of our jobs offshore, and against more government growth and spending, but the government continues to support these things with legislation and to grow and spend. Almost half of us believe that 9/11 was an inside job, but no one is calling for an independent investigation. We want to wean ourselves from our dependence on foreign oil, but Congress and the Senate play with renewable tax credits like they are a volleyball. Who they are listening to is not clear, but it can only be surmised from looking at their lists of campaign contributions.

http://ewebsmith.com/Finance/notlistening.html

Posted by: websmith1 | October 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I just finished reading the AP article .. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_el_pr/palin_family_travel

Posted by a thoughtful commentator.

She's in a lot of trouble, and must be praying right now that she does get to be VP and in charge of the Senate. So she can't be impeached as Guv in Alaska. Being paid to spend the night in your own home? Defining roles for your kids so they can accompany you on state business? How many governors do that?

BTW, she took Bristol with her to NYC on a 5-day trip.. guess she was trying to keep her away from Bristols' BF.. didn't work!! lol...

Oi, Gov. Dumba$$ is done.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Mooselini is incapable of chewing gum and watching the Jerry Springer show at the same time.

She does not even know what is happening in the State she supposed to be governing.

"Senior officials of Russian energy company Gazprom, including personal associates of Vladimir Putin, met in Anchorage with Alaska's Department of Natural Resources to discuss investing in energy projects in the state. Governor Sarah Palin said that she did not know about the meeting." ~ this week's Harper's Weekly Review

Posted by: pali2500 | October 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Mooselini is incapable of chewing gum and watching the Jerry Springer show at the same time.

She does not even know what is happening in the State she is supposed to be governing.

"Senior officials of Russian energy company Gazprom, including personal associates of Vladimir Putin, met in Anchorage with Alaska's Department of Natural Resources to discuss investing in energy projects in the state. Governor Sarah Palin said that she did not know about the meeting." ~ this week's Harper's Weekly Review

Posted by: pali2500 | October 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there is something Palin can contend for. Perhaps she can go into acting. She does quite well with the fake dialect and manerisms (watch clips of when she was younger to see how fake she is now... she has certainly perfected it). I'm sure the Hallmark channel will be happy to showcase her talents.

Posted by: Fleder | October 21, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there is something Palin can contend for. Perhaps she can go into acting. She does quite well with the fake dialect and mannerisms (watch clips of when she was younger to see how fake she is… she has certainly perfected it). The Hallmark channel will likely be happy to showcase her talents.

Posted by: Fleder | October 21, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

They way things are going in this country they could add a swimsuit competition, which Palin would win, and not do too much worse than the fools that inhabit the Halls Of Congress right now. You know, those 10% approval ratings are earned! If they were actually doing what we wanted, we would have been out of Iraq over a year ago, have universal health insurance, wouldn't be tossing truck loads of money at Wall Street and more than a few of those crooks would be locked up, awaiting trial, would pass legislation to flat out make outsourcing either illegal or so unprofitable that no company would even think of it (government could tax the snot out of companuies and investors supporting it), and the H1-B visa would be over. The sad fact is, the average citizen has more common sense and better ideas than your average "representative" any day of the week! What we TRULY need are representatives that stick their finger in the air to get an idea of what voters want, read polls, and do just that. It's what the people want and what a REPRESENTATIVE of the people is supposed to be doing!

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I stay out of that party's politics and would advise and Democrat who comments on this blog to do the same. Nothing good comes from mining in their business. If we just keep doing what we've been doing the last four years, worry about our own matters, and let them worry about ours too we'll be fine. This is a flailing party and there's no need for any of us to go down with it. They're almost out of candidates to run for national office.
I do hope Gov. Palin wins the nomination for obvious reasons.
Let's learn to tend to our own business my Democratic friends, and let them worry about theirs.

Posted by: jdunph1 | October 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually, as near as I can tell, elitism is a charge leveled by those who feel inferior to others, based on income, education, and lack of confidence in their own value system.

>>>>>>>>

this is simple reaction formation. Look it up. I can assure you that I personally do not feel inferior to most people, especially Libs when it comes to income, education and values. suffice it to say I am fortunate enough to be in the top 1% in the world on these measures. but I do not fall for the liberal guilt because of my success.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The Vice President is the President of the Senate.

Anyway, Palin will be back. In four years she'll have, well, four more years of experience.

As far as her popularity goes, remember that in 1994 Hillary Clinton was pretty much the most hated woman in America. By 1998 she was well on her way to being elected to the Senate. A lot can happen in four years.

Posted by: wapo9 | October 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

first she would have to grow a brain and a spine. then she would have to take a class in ethics and one in English, and one on the Constitution (she just told a third grader that the VP is "in charge of" the Senate - the rest of the third grade class could correct her - no "smarter than a 5th grader for Palin), and maybe a science class where the tell you that dinosaurs and people missed each other by tens of millions of years. then find a pastor who doesn't hate Jews and believe in witchcraft. and a husband who doesn't belong to a group that hates America and wants to secede from the Union. then she would have to acquire character, and some sense of shame. then she would have to try harder to find real Americans in big cities and suburbs.

other than that, she's ready

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Chris, Chris, Chris, you are talking like a reporter who is in the political bubble and not looking in from the outside. It is not surprising that Palin is positioning herself for future office. She has seemed to be a power hungry person. The thing is what we saw with Gibson and COuric is the "real" Palin and not the debate person, although that one also seemed to get lost in her answers. The Alaskan press never asked her any questions that would have exposed her. I am not denying her appeal, although I do not see it, but from November 4 onward, she will not be in a bubble with the press and will have to answer the questions that she is asked and there will be followups, her achilles heel. And she will have to deal with Troopergate in Alaska and answer those questions. She will be exposed for a shallow individual who may try to run for Congress from Alaska and I think we will be seeing the end of Palin politically. Everyone wants to compare her to Clinton, a Yale graduate and Rhodes SCholar or Reagan who spent years involved with politics through the Screen Guild and GOP and then Governor of our most populous state. I do not see the comparison of the Mayor of Wassila and Governor of Alaska who went to 5 or 6 colleges and is not remembered by any educators to these past two presidents. Also her Alaskan approval ratings are way down as she has been exposed nationally. It is bye bye Barracuda politically.

Posted by: optodoc | October 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

don't feel superior to anyone - not even to king_of_zouk.

Posted by: fid4wp


It seems clear you are not.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk said:
"Elitism is the feeling of superiority enjoyed by certain people based on their income, education, and nuanced value system."

Actually, as near as I can tell, elitism is a charge leveled by those who feel inferior to others, based on income, education, and lack of confidence in their own value system. It seems that they are particularly sensitive about "Europeans", for some reason. Frankly, I've met just as many European boors as American boors, and, while I am an atheist, like Brokeback Mountain, dislike John Wayne, etc., etc., etc., I don't feel superior to anyone - not even to king_of_zouk.

Posted by: fid4wp | October 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Let me offer this evidence of Republican decline: Do you suppose that Palin is actually capable of enunciating the phrase, "nattering nabobs of negativism"?

Her political future at best resembles that of Dan Quayle following the defeat of GHW Bush in 1992. Quayle did indeed run for president next time around, in the 1996 Republican primaries, which only served to prove his (and Bill Kristol's) political tone-deafness.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but about the only job she's qualified for is Elizabeth Hasselbecks.

Posted by: tdsgava | October 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

She should change her name to Kato Palin.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately it's the easily manipulated, uneducated, "follower" types in this country that will make her a contender and actually believe she's a worthy candidate. This is the same base that fell for Bush/Cheney and their deception and actually think W has done a great job. She's a side show that no intelligent person can take seriously. Unfortunatly the not so intelligent, can think for themselves voters make up a large percentage of the population and mostly vote Republican. Republican party would be dead without them and they know it. That gives her a chance.

Posted by: Fleder | October 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

If no one takes her seriously as a VP candidate, I don't know who will take her seriously as a Prez candidate, no matter how far down the road.

Look at Quayle - he was the Veep for four years, not just a candidate. How well did his presidential bid work out?

Or take Joe Lieberman - please. From VP candidate to also-ran presidential candidate to drummed out of the party, all in six years.

And let's not forget John Edwards.

Sarah Palin knows the above and is setting herself up like other predecessors, people not content for the allotted 15 minutes and who go for the brass ring in mass communications. Kato Kaelin, Tammy Faye Bakker, Ed Koch on People's Court - this is what Palin will be, not a presidential candidate.

Posted by: bondjedi | October 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Please let it be so!

Palin-for-President supporters would be like marching Klansmen – ultimately regretful of their own visibility.

Meanwhile, I'd love to see plenty of right wing resources poured into a replay of Quayle 2000.

Posted by: FlownOver | October 21, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people are pretty confident that by 2012, Palin will out of the political scene.....severely defeated in her bid for re-election in Alaska. She has opened herself up to some real opposition....and ridicule

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious! Maybe she'll learn how to speak in complete sentences by 2012.

Posted by: lasker1895 | October 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, king_of_zouk
You don't know what a non-sequitor is. Saying someone is an elitist is just name calling.
They all it ad-hominem.
As far as Palin goes there are 2 new ethics complaints against her in Alaska. I've been reading the Anchorage Daily News and the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner. Palin has big problems back in Alaska. Her own record is her worst enemy. The Branchflower report supported by a majority of Republicans in her state says she committed an ethics violation. She says she didn't. Whom do I believe?
She is really only supported by the far right wing. She is more of a Rush Limbaugh. As someone else says the independents don't like her. You can't get elected President without the Independents. And the Alaska Independence Part isn't that big even in Alaska. A fringe hate America group that she supports and courts; her husband has been a card carrying member of that unpatriotic group for at least 7 years.

Posted by: amercrutio100 | October 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Is it fair to assume that SHP only faces censure from the AK Lege for the ethics violations? I would guess so. As several have pointed out, she must serve as a successful Gov. to have a future.

As bsimon1 has said, articulate conservatives need a friend right now. Jindal fits better than Palin in every way. If the R Party becomes the social conservative party of SHP there will be room for a Perot-like movement of fiscal hawks who are social moderates to establish a third party.

My guess? SHP remains a voice but not a compelling one in the R Party. Her future is brighter than was DQ's, b/c she is adored by the fundies, but her appeal beyond that group is the appeal of a car wreck to rubberneckers [sorry KOZ, but that must explain the SNL ratings].

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Since it would guarantee four more years of Obama/Biden, then hell yes! Palin in 2012!

Posted by: DuckDuck | October 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, Republican presidential nominee in 2012? Maybe. As an Obama supporter, I sure hope so - I'd love to see that race. What line of attack would she use against him in 2012, after four years in office? That he's inexperienced? Naive? Doesn't love America enough? A terrorist? Would she still be talking about Rezko? Yeah, I do think she stands a shot at Republican candidate in 2012, depending on what the party does in response to its loss this time. But if that's the direction the party takes, Democrats are going to be in charge for a long, long, time.

Posted by: fid4wp | October 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans will have to reinvent their party in order to be competitive again. The ultra-right has worn thin with the public. Winning with ultra-right issues and tactics is increasingly harder as voters become better informed (The Google has been McCain's downfall.) Sarah Palin is the last of her breed, not the future of the Party. She will resign her governership and spend her remaining public days as a right-wing talk figure, hawking her wares to a small but steady market of wing-nuts.

Posted by: Stonecreek | October 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Conservative or non, Palin is the biggest shock to the genre of dumb-asses! I am sure even a kid out of school would have something to conjure up if asked about foreign policy experience! Her speeches are at best gibberish. If she becomes a candidate for 2012, America will become a laughing stock for rest of the World!

Toronto,
CANADA

Posted by: hughes_168 | October 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

the CORRUPT sarah palin.

here's an AP story that broke today regarding her abuses of travel expenses;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_el_pr/palin_family_travel

Posted by: FozzieBear | October 21, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Aw shucks, good for her!

We should be anticipating Obama vs Palin in 2012, you betcha! Better for Big O to utterly vanquish her and the GOP, yet another glorious time ...

Posted by: ABh2 | October 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey king_of_zook, you never figured out the homoerotic content of those John Wayne movies? How about "The Searchers"? The guy played a closeted homosexual, woman-hating, self-loathing cowboy in tons of movies.

Lol....

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin for Prez in 2012?

You've got to be freaking kidding me!!!

First off, Palin will be lucky if she doesn't get impeached (Trooper-Gate) as Gov of Alaska and even if she doesn't she might want to look into taking some constitutional law class's before she ever runs for office again.

Just today....TODAY!...Palin said this:


Palin just claimed that the vice president is "in charge of the U.S. Senate."


In an interview with KUSA in Colorado, Palin responds to the following question:

REPORTERS QUESTION: Brandon Garcia wants to know, "What does the Vice President do?"

PALIN'S ANSWER: That’s something that Piper would ask me! ... [T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.


The corporate media should be all over this story. Palin made a major gaffe in her V.P. debate when she announced vice presidential powers that are not outlined in the Constitution, and which reflect the will of Dick Cheney. She demonstrated herself to be not a student of history, but a student of neo-conservatism.


This is no longer an issue of whether Palin is smart enough to be vice president. It is becoming all too clear that she is the empty vessel through which Wingnut neo-conservatism wants to live and breathe in the White House for another four years.


Palin's unabashed ignorance is certainly breathtaking. But people already know that she is ignorant on any number of critical domestic and foreign policy issues. People now need to understand that she is a dangerous public figure who, if unchecked, will further weaken our federal government's balance of power, and thus will create a system that undermines one of the key principles of our Constitution.


Here's some more mavericky straight-talk, my friends:
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/21/palin-vp-senate/
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I bow before greatness:

--" Is this post a joke?

Palin's rise was not of her making. McCain SELECTED her.

Posted by: rfpiktor | October 21, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse "--


Good point. So I guess the next question to ask: What does the future hold for Joe-The-Plumber???

Posted by: DonJasper | October 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I note with disappointment that Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama has failed to persuade king_of_zouk. Alas, such is life ;)

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

As long as 3rd graders can trip her up, she's not a legit contender
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/21/palin-vp-senate/

VP is in charge of the U.S. Senate? The real mystery here is why on earth she didn't refine her understanding of THE JOB SHE'S APPLYING FOR since the debate.


Yes, she excites the base. Granted. So did Mike Huckabee, and he's about 50 points up on her in the IQ department. It's very unlikely that she'd survive a primary process for the following reasons:

Illegal and unethical behavior in Troopergate

Illegal commenting on a ballot initiative

Avoiding/evading income taxes (per diem & family travel)

Pork queen 3 years running as mayor of Wasilla

Left town $22 million in debt

And that's just the stuff we know about, given her propensity to think she's bullet-proof it's highly likely she'll screw up even more during the next 4 years.

There is a pattern: it's one of a not-very bright, hyper ambitious politician who makes gut-level decisions, and who doesn't believe they have to play by other people's rules.

She may enter the primary, but chances are very slim she's nominated, unless the Republican Party has had a meltdown and is left with their theocon base and not much else.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I think most people forget the circumstances of her selection. In August there was tremendous support for more oil and natural gas drilling. She is a good advocate as the governor of Alaska for that issue. Now with oil trading around $70s it does not make much sense. But then again, once Russia did not provoke a World War III over Georgia neither did Joe Biden. But at worst they are vice-presidents and have no meaningful constitutional power.

Posted by: JimDandy1 | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

(sigh) Didn't we talk about this already?

If she's 'available' in 2012, that means that McCain / Palin lost. *IF* she's re-elected governor - and troopergate removes the lock from _that_ assumption - then she could be a voice for the Evalgelicals.

I think it more likely that she'll lose re-election - due in no small part to troopergate - and will make a dynamite School Board member. Or - will become the Ralph Nader of the right, losing election after election.

Posted by: DonJasper | October 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Elitism is the feeling of superiority enjoyed by certain people based on their income, education, and nuanced value system. Elitism carries with it a strong hint of “sophisticated” Europeanism, as well as a large helping of atheistic skepticism.

Worried that you’re an elitist? Here’s how you can tell if you are.

You’re an elitist if you love Brokeback Mountain, but think that John Wayne movies are jingoistic expressions of outdated American machismo.

You’re an elitist if you worry that Sarah Palin hunts moose, but aren’t worried that Barack Obama wants to meet personally with dictators.
You’re an elitist if you think that only bitter people unhappy with their lives cling to the Bible.

You’re an elitist if you think Joe the Plumber’s income and license status are more important than the question he asked Barack Obama.

You’re an elitist if you think Bill Ayers is just a professor of English.


You’re an elitist if you declare that no one’s patriotism ought to be challenged – unless they’re questioning why they should pay higher taxes.

You’re an elitist if you think it’s unfair to question Barack Obama’s association with Jeremiah Wright, or if you think that Obama’s association with Wright is akin to his association with Tom Coburn.

You’re an elitist if you think Nixon/Reagan/Bush was the nation’s worst president but Jimmy Carter is the nation’s best ex-president.

You’re an elitist if you believe Jon Stewart is non-partisan, but Fox News is an outlet for the Republican National Committee.

You’re an elitist if you worry what the Europeans think of us.

You’re an elitist if you think public school teachers are qualified to inform your children about sex, but parents aren’t qualified to teach their children basic math.

You’re an elitist if you think the government should manage the health care system even though it can’t manage to keep the tax code within a 10,000 page limit.

You’re an elitist if you know what arugula is but don’t know who Jimmie Johnson is.

You’re an elitist if your name is Barack Obama. Chances are that you’re an elitist if you support him and you aren’t being hired by ACORN to do so, too.

http://townhall.com/Columnists/BenShapiro/2008/10/21/you_know_youre_an_elitist_if?page=2

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

physicist writes
"[The Fix's] analysis makes no mention of the situation in Alaska. Her constituents are not so happy about the way that the McCain campaign now runs the governor's office, and the drastic drop in oil prices is likely to make her renegotiation of the oil payments look like a mistake."

physicist makes a good point. In order to be viable in 2012, Gov Palin has to return home and do some damage control & image remodeling. She will also likely be subject to more media scrutiny over the next couple years than she has been in the past.
Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse
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You know what is going to be the best part of this whole story? Mccain is going to lost that is almost a certainty. They will throw Palin under the bus in like two seconds on Nov 5th. Palin has no idea how treacherous the people are she is dealing with. She will head back to Alaska and there will be no more secret service or republican operatives surrounding her. They will all disappear as she goes back pretty much in disgrace. Her approval in Alaska has crashed and people who have been intimidated for the last month or so will take it out on her. People there have actually been afraid to speak to the media. Many openly admitted they didn't want to get on the bad side of Palin. One waitress at a diner where Palin often eats who told the story about Palin's use of the "N" word and her calling her an "Arctic Arab" later was very afraid and wanted to be sure her name was not used. Palin has been up there in Alaska like a little "Boss Hogg" doing what ever the heck she wanted. I have a feeling things are going to change when she gets back. They will turn on her and not be afraid of her anymore.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Republican but here's my take. If she get's re-elected in Alaska(which I don't think she will), then yes.

However, if she goes back home and gets voted out of office, then everyone will forget her.

From my understanding she's burned a lot of bridges (no pun intended) up there. Plus there's troopergate, a host of questionable issues about her taxes, and there will an examination of how her husband Todd managed to build a $2.5 million dollar home with his contractor buddies.

I think she's in more trouble in Alaska than in Kansas.

Posted by: jboykin | October 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I laughed harder at this article than I did at the SNL take on Palin. What a joke! I foresee trouble for her back in Alaska, when her fellow Alaskans ponder all the blatant lies Palin has been spouting and her underhanded political tactics as Governor, realizing they've been duped. Wonder if they'll want to impeach or recall.

Posted by: corporatemediawatcher | October 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Re: SNL - this was the highest rated show for them in decades. wonder why? because the naval gazing Libs who never met anyone who voted R simply don't understand the outside NY/LA menatality. no one watches SNL or CBS or MSDNC or reads the NYSlimes because it is simply circular reasoning with no news value. what was the point of a smear piece on cindy Mccain - simple meanness.

Fox news now dominates cable and even frequently beats CBS. Talk radio has always been the domain of Conservatives with no liberals able to make it pay. books sold by conservatives far out-distance liberal tomes.

In short, the thinking, open-minded voters are just not interested in hearing more liberal gibberish like what you can find on the long shark-jumped SNL and NYSlimes.

It is called the elite mentality and if you suffer from it, you may not know. If you "hate" Sarah Palin, based on what you have gathered from the media, you are not only an elite idiot, you are a dunderhead.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

According to the new Pew Research Poll out today, Palin's negative rating for woman under 50 is at 60%. There will be no Sarah Palin in 2012. Thank the lords!

Posted by: kaytemmel | October 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin in 2012? To riff on a verbal tic of Nixon's, "Let me say this about that: AAAACK!"

What is it with the Republican base's recent love affair with candidates for president who, in the absence of a teleprompter, can't form a proper sentence in their native tongue?

This cult of inarticulacy seems to me like a sort of neurosis. If they could think clearly, they'd be able to speak clearly - but if they could think clearly, they'd have to confront the fact that the policies they advocate have been a predictable and unmitigated disaster. So this cult of inarticulacy saves the egos of those who are the last refuge of a party and a movement that has entered its senility.

The cult of inarticulate candidates preserves what remains of a dying party which, if it had anything useful to add to the nation's political discourse, would eagerly seek out communicators capable of articulating it.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse


she's corrupt, and she lies.

who wants another corrupt president after george bush?

i know, i sure don't.

Posted by: FozzieBear | October 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

physicist writes
"[The Fix's] analysis makes no mention of the situation in Alaska. Her constituents are not so happy about the way that the McCain campaign now runs the governor's office, and the drastic drop in oil prices is likely to make her renegotiation of the oil payments look like a mistake."

physicist makes a good point. In order to be viable in 2012, Gov Palin has to return home and do some damage control & image remodeling. She will also likely be subject to more media scrutiny over the next couple years than she has been in the past.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Palin in 2012"? THAT is just SILLY! LoL

Posted by: free-donny | October 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is right. Marriage is a pursuit of happiness best reserved for a man and a woman (failure rate > 50%) or two teenagers who are unable to master birth control.

Posted by: jimestw | October 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Palin may be a wannabe candidate in 2012 but the stench of her 2008 effort will not have been forgotten. To keep Barbara Bush's dream of a family Presidential dynasty alive, Jeb Bush will likely surface in 2009. The question will become whether or not the American people have tired of the Bush name and how much damage caused by his brother remains and also how people feel about the uppcoming Administration. If things are going well for the people, which the Republicans will being doing their best to limit, Jeb would have to wait until 2016.

Posted by: louismraskin | October 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Is this post a joke?

Palin's rise was not of her making. McCain SELECTED her. It is the biggest mistake of his life. It reflects poorly on the man's judgement.

Palin would have to actually, like, hold press conferences and be interviewed by a hungry press. You betcha!

Palin has as big a chance of catching on as Dan Quayle had in his merry time. AND Quayle actually was interviewed by the press.

This looks like the shape of things to come:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BbTw3uKY7g

Posted by: rfpiktor | October 21, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Blarg writes
"A politician's appearance on SNL says nothing about their future ambitions."

On the contrary. Your examples may correlate with a politician's future successes, but not necessarily to their ambitions.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I think she'll have a tough road ahead of her, but she could get to the point of being a serious candidate for 2012.

She'll have to begin, almost immediately after the election, to absorb as much knowledge as she can. Then, follow it up with regular appearances on TV: answering questions, staking out clear policy positions, while simultaneously holding on to that folksy persona that has been, truthfully, her only effective tool as McCain's VP nominee.

But she has to start very soon. If she doesn't, and she allows public perception to harden around "Caribou Barbie" and the Tina Fey skewering, she'll end up in Dan Quayle territory.

Like I said, she can do it, but it will be an uphill climb and a lot of hard work.

Posted by: cam8 | October 21, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The Fix writes
"In late September polling by the Post (the last time we asked detailed questions of voter attitudes on Palin) nearly nine in ten (87 percent) Republicans and 84 percent of conservatives felt favorably toward her. More than six in ten felt "strongly" favorable"

A couple things.

1) how large a segment are repubs in the sample from that poll? Conclusions may be drawn inappropriately from a too small sample size.
2) As the ranks of self-identified Repubs dwindle, it is not surprising that significant numbers of the remainder approve (or approved) of Gov Palin. From all appearances, it is the moderates who are fleeing the party, the remainder are the base to which Palin is quite appealing.
3) A poll from late Sept is rather out of date, considering some of the changes in the race over the last couple weeks.

If the Wash Post polls Gov Palin's favorability in the future, I would expect to see further lowering of support for Gov Palin - higher unfavorables among moderates and lower favorables among Repubs/conservatives. While she still enjoys significant support from the base, the thinking members of the party who might usually agree with the likes of Brooks, Will, Parker, Krauthammer, Buckley, et al, have seen through the thin veneer of Gov Palin.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

""I'd be inclined to laugh at the suggestion, but the republican bullpen is devoid of serious talent right now. "'


what makes you think we can't pull some unheard of state senator out of nowhere and run him. It is clear experience is overrated.

If Obama wins and serves the full 4 years, it will be the longest job he ever held.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

For those who have the stomach for it, I suggest you watch the following youtube clip highlighting the shocking and disturbing level of radical Wingnut hatred at Palin rallies:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtZWwgw__WY
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This, ladies and gentlemen is the face of Wingnut American fascism. They must be defeated for the good of our country and all humanity. These are sick, dangerous people.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If Palin is seriously thinkin' about 2012... the smartest thing she could done was to refrain from criticizing Obama. The McCain campaign completely sullied her favorability with all the attack based rhetoric. I knew she wasn't smart when she went along with the vile speeches her speechwriters came up with. I would have used a 'line item veto' approach when reading the speeches, and made sure that i worked for the team, but did not tarnish my own rep. Look how HRC is handling her position. No... Palin is no HRC, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted by: AB68 | October 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

the ignorance and hatefulness of you Libs never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Her biggest test is going to be returning to Alaska to finish out her term as Governor with a very vindictive GOP in residence, no earrmarks to fall back on, the new Anchorage Bureau of the National Inquirer fully staffed up, and her base of support about 4,000 miles away.

It is going to be brutal.

Posted by: Jaxxon | October 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"To wit: Palin's guest appearance on 'Saturday Night Live' last weekend is not the sort of thing a candidate without any future interest in national office would do."

Steve Forbes hosted SNL in April of 1996, after dropping out of the presidential race. He may have had future interest in national office, but he had no further success in seeking it. Bob Dole appeared on SNL in 1996 after his political career was over. I'm sure there are other examples as well. A politician's appearance on SNL says nothing about their future ambitions.

Posted by: Blarg | October 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I think we need a constitutional amendment for nuts like Palin that says you cannot run for president or vice president (or maybe for congress, for that matter) unless you can pass a sixth grade civics test on government.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Uhhhh... Guess again.

You see time is not favorable towards Ms. Palin. Every day that goes by - let alone year - we in the national electorate learn a little more about her:

1. Secessionist "AKIP" Alaska First party affiliation!?! She hates America, or else why would her family join a secessionist political party? Republicans for a secessionist? That might go over with the evangelical NEO-CON, I doubt it though.

2. Believes raped women and women who are victims of incest should be forced to carry the unwanted criminal pregnancy to term.

3. Blessed publicly in her church, at the altar, against "witchcraft".

4. Promotes "abstinence-only" sex education for American teens, even though that approach failed miserably in her family.

5. Has been found GUILTY of ABUSE OF POWER. The Cheney crowd NEO-CONS may love her for that, but it gives the American voter the chills.

6. LIAR - She loved the bridge to nowhere so much that she use our tax dollars to build an access road to the bridge-site when the outcry over government waste/earmoarks came up and killed the bridge...because she will try to get us taxpayers to fund the bridge yet again.

7. She says some states are anti-american. No. We're PRO AMERICA! We're just also anti-political-scum, you see?

By 2012 Americawill know ALLLLLL we need to about Sarah Palin's hypocrisy, ignorance,and lack of qualificatons for President... so I hope she does run. It will mean 8 more years without neo-cons in government!

Posted by: onestring | October 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

IF THIS CAN HAPPEN IN AMERICA, MAYBE SARAH PALIN WILL BE THE NEXT VP:

ACLU Says NorthCom’s Fighting Unit May Be Illegal

By Matthew Rothschild, October 21, 2008

(From "The Progresive.org")

The American Civil Liberties Union is raising questions about why the Pentagon has assigned a fighting unit to the United States itself.

On October 1, the Northern Command (NorthCom), for the first time ever, got its own dedicated Army force.

And not just any force. The unit the Pentagon assigned to NorthCom is the 3rd Infantry, First Brigade Combat Team, which has spent three of the last five years in Iraq. One of its specialties is counterinsurgency.

“This is a radical departure from separation of civilian law enforcement and military authority and could, quite possibly, represent a violation of law,” said Mike German, ACLU national security policy counsel. “Our Founding Fathers understood the threat that a standing army could pose to American liberty.”

German also noted that Congress has “passed statutory protections to ensure that the Army could not be turned against the American people,” he said in the ACLU’s press release.

“The erosion of these protections should concern every American,” German said.

The ACLU is seeking documents from the Justice Department, the Pentagon, and Homeland Security that “authorize the deployment of military troops for domestic purposes.”

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

She has already done tremendous damage to her credibility, even by avoiding serious interviews. Can you imagine her on Meet the Press or any other show with in depth discussions? I think her fate has been sealed with the American people, for very good reasons. McCain was a fool for putting her on the ticket, it is absolutely indefensible.

Posted by: bretb | October 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Gov Palin likely sees herself making a strong case to be the next Republican nominee for President. Its really too soon to tell whether she'll be viable in the primaries. Much depends on what happens to the party in the interim. If the social conservatives maintain control of the party, she will have a good chance of being the nominee - and losing by a large margin. If the fiscal & small gov't conservatives resume control, she won't be viable.

The structural problem the GOP faces is their grassroots supporters are largely from the evangelical community. People like Michele Bachmann win primaries by turning out the evangelical base. For the general election they talk up the Club For Growth angle, that draws in usual party supporters, with which they've won the 'red' districts. What is not clear is how viable that strategy will be going forward. How the GOP addresses the mid-term elections - and how they come out of them - will tell us a lot about Palin's viability as a candidate in 2012.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

They laughed at Reagan, they laughed at Baby Bush. They both got elected and their legacy is the crisis we're in now. Radical embrace of anti-government ideology, an anti-tax hysteria that leads to deficit spending, an anti-regulatory dream that, when we wake up, we find that Corporations and Wall Street have robbed us blind. Not to mention the shredding of the Constitution in the name of 'Freedom'.

We haven't seen the last of Palin but hopefully, our 25 year experiment with her brand of Republican politics will keep her from getting elected.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Chris is probably right that Palin now appears to be in good shape now for the 2012 GOP nomination, but his analysis makes no mention of the situation in Alaska. Her constituents are not so happy about the way that the McCain campaign now runs the governor's office, and the drastic drop in oil prices is likely to make her renegotiation of the oil payments look like a mistake. Plus, the Alaskans aren't likely to be so easily convinced that the abuse of power investigations are politically motivated. Finally, her natural gas pipeline seems doomed to failure since she won't be able to get financing without support from the oil companies who control the natural gas reserves, although this problem may not develop soon enough to have any effect on 2012.

In any case, it would likely make things very easy for Obama in 2012 if she were to win the GOP nomination.

Posted by: physicist | October 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

There is no question that Palin is expecting McCain to lose. So she's making the best of it and building a fiercely loyal and rabidly enthusiastic base for herself, launching herself into conservative superstar status and laying the groundwork for a guerrilla 2012 campaign.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd be inclined to laugh at the suggestion, but the republican bullpen is devoid of serious talent right now. McCain was the only man in their primary who seemed like presidential material, which I think is why conservatives were willing to accept his unorthodoxy. McCain will absent in '12 leaving only Romney and Huckabee as from the returning cast and they're both C graders compared to Barrack.

Couple an empty field with what is likely to be a harsh stint in the wilderness and the GOP is likely going to be very receptive to a fresh face from state politics. But the farm league has some promising talent like Schwarzenegger or Jindal.

Palin could certainly be in the mix, especially with 4 years of rehabilitation as governor under her belt. But she's a lightweight. The last republican nomination showed us a whole lot of lightweights. Many of them generated a whole lotta buzz but didn't seem to have a prayer in retrospect.

Posted by: theamazingjex | October 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Plain could care less about politics anymore. She wants to be a celebrity. She is a lock to get a multi million dollar contract with Fox news. Why would anyone want all the headaches of politics when you can be a star.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse
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Just ask Joe Scarborough , who needs politics. It is more fun on the outside looking in and commenting.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Plain could care less about politics anymore. She wants to be a celebrity. She is a lock to get a multi million dollar contract with Fox news. Why would anyone want all the headaches of politics when you can be a star.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Pa'in could win the nomination in 2012, but then what? It's gonna be tough to win an election with only 25% of the vote.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | October 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I think this analysis is wrong, for two reasons.

One is that Sarah Palin is Governor of Alaska. Governors can be tripped up by state issues that barely figure in national politics, and though the rest of the country has had difficult times lately, oil-rich Alaska has had it pretty easy since well before Palin was elected governor. That may last for another four years, and it may not -- apart from which, the McCain campaign won't be around to shut down any more investigations of Palin and her family in Alaska after this November.

The second reason is that Sen. Obama himself -- a far more impressive candidate in many respects -- could not have mounted a plausible campaign for the Presidency this time around if the incumbent Republican President were not so monumentally unpopular. Unless he performs as badly in the White House as George Bush has, no one who appeals only to the hard-core Republican base has much chance of appealing to anyone outside it. What Palin has proven in the last couple of months is her ability to appeal to voters who still think George Bush has been a great President, and to voters who base their votes for Republicans on how much they dislike Democrats. There are not enough such voters to get a candidate nominated. In four years, there will be even fewer.

Posted by: jbritt3 | October 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"THE BASE" MAY BE GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL "SUPPORT"...

In other words, you're saying to never underestimate the zealotry of the Republican base?

Also, by raising the question, you're assuming she won't be the next VP of the USA.

Watch the Robin Williams movie, "Man of the Year" and substitute "Woman" for the first word in the title, and you may want to consider an alternate scenario.

Can you say, "lack of a voter-verified paper trail"? Or "voter suppression"?

WHAT IF McCAIN-PALIN'S STRATEGY IS AIMED NOT JUST AT VOTERS, BUT AT THE APPARACHIK?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccain-palins-fellow-traveler-insinuations-what-if-u-s-security-forces-agree

or http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener


Posted by: scrivener50 | October 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

CC,

Your a fantastic reporter, and I'm certainly a junkie, but isn't it a bit early to talk about 2012?

Can we talk about the redistricting in 2010? The political impact of the financial scandal on the next Congress? The need for campaign finance reform?

Anything but 2012!

We just got done with 2 years of election. The earliest start, the longest primary, the grueling finish.

We need to detox for a little while, maybe even just a month or so before we start pitching the 2012 stakes.

Posted by: bhague | October 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

oh...and Marc Ambinder sort of addressed this:

"i'm guessing that the GOP primary is going to be all about telling the base that it's not their fault, and palin is going to be second to none on that score."

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/thinking_about_2012.php

Posted by: rabbitt_hutch | October 21, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Romney or Palin, both awful candidates, but who will get crushed in 2012? I can't wait to find out?

Posted by: havok26 | October 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, please be a pretender! The fact that she's gotten this far without any serious interest in or curiosity about the US Constitution is amazing. The fact that someone actually thought she'd be appropriate for the second-highest office in the land is insulting to the entire American electorate.

Posted by: trigamy1986 | October 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

My money's on bartender.

Posted by: ComfortablyDumb | October 21, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

But, Chris, Chris, hold on there. You forgot to mention that most Republicans are delusional and in complete denial about anything negative. President Bush is exhibit A in that argument.

Posted by: bb211 | October 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

She is absolutely a contender. The base loves her. Some of the main arguments against her are her lack of experience (by 2012 she will have been governor for 6 years if she wins re-election); no national presence (in the next 4 years she will be everywhere, speaking with different groups, hitting the talk shows, etc.) and honing her interview skills and national policy chops.

I think she will have a good chance at the GOP nomination (Huckabee will be po'd)....She might not fare well in the general, but she is a legit conservative base contender. I can just see her paired up with Newt Gingrich as her Vice...or Condi for that matter.


Posted by: rabbitt_hutch | October 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

It's already abundantly clear that McCain/Palin are going to lose hugely in two weeks time. America will be a better place as a result. It will, however, be a great tragedy if Palin becomes a serious political contender in 2012. That will mean that the Republican Party has not learned its lesson and remains firmly in the grip of ultra-right wing religious and political extremists like Palin. If that is their choice, so be it. It will only ensure that the Republicans spend the next 20 or more years in the political wilderness as a permanent, albeit, extremist minority party, and that will be good for America.

Posted by: dsrobins | October 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe in the next four years she'll learn a little about The Constitution and all those fancy, elitist East Coast rules -- but I doubt it.

Posted by: cthehill | October 21, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

She wasn't a serious candidate in 2008; why should anyone take her seriously in 2012?

Posted by: Achenblogcurmudgeon | October 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe in 3032. It will take her that long, if she's serious, to build the experience profile necessary to be taken seriously by anyone other than the social conservatives. She'll be 68 then.

Posted by: DigiMark | October 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Who cares, indies hate her and so do the dems. That makes it hard to get elected.

Posted by: obrier2 | October 21, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

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