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Palin's (Conservative) Problem?

Even as Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin prepares for Thursday night's vice presidential debate against Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, an increasing number of Republicans and conservatives are expressing reservations about both her candidacy and the way in which she is being used (or not used) by John McCain's campaign.

The trouble began late last week with what was widely seen as a disastrous Palin interview with CBS News anchor Katie Couric in which the vice presidential nominee was barely intelligible on relatively basic questions of foreign policy. (Is it just us or has Couric been kicking butt in the last few weeks? It isn't just us; the Post's Howie Kurtz seems to agree.)

That "performance" was -- luckily for the McCain campaign -- largely drowned out by coverage of the ongoing fight on Capitol Hill over the bailout of the country's financial institutions.

But, it did not go entirely unnoticed particularly by several prominent conservative opinion makers.

Kathleen Parker penned a column on Friday in which she asserted: "As we've seen and heard more from John McCain's running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem."

And, Parker added -- more cuttingly:

"If Palin were a man, we'd all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she's a woman -- and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket -- we are reluctant to say what is painfully true."

And then yesterday morning two more conservatives seemed to express doubts about the way in which Palin was being used on the campaign trail.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who many within the establishment of the GOP saw as the smartest choice as vice president, told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that: "Holding Sarah Palin to just three interviews and microscopically focusing on each interview I think has been a mistake, I think they'd be a lot wiser to let Sarah Palin be Sarah Palin. Let her talk to the media, let her talk to people."

Bill Kristol, in his column for the New York Times echoed that sentiment. "McCain needs to liberate his running mate from the former Bush aides brought in to handle her -- aides who seem to have succeeded in importing to the Palin campaign the trademark defensive crouch of the Bush White House," wrote Kristol.

It's hard to know -- looking at the polls -- whether these rising voices of discontent on the right will change how Republicans and conservatives view Palin.

Polling conducted by the Washington Post and ABC News last week suggests that Palin's numbers remain consistently strong with both groups. (Thanks as always goes to Post polling analyst Jennifer "J-Bug" Agiesta for her help in culling the numbers.)

Among Republicans, Palin had an 87 percent favorable score and just a seven percent unfavorable score, roughly the same ratings she received in a Post/ABC poll conducted in early September.

Palin's favorable rating among self identified conservatives stood at 84 percent in the latest Post poll while her unfavorables were at a paltry nine percent. Those numbers compare favorably to the early September Post poll when Palin's fav/unfav score among conservatives stood at 77/12.

What's clear from those numbers is that Palin has some margin for error before the McCain campaign needs to begin worrying about a revolt on its right flank.

But, the polling data does not mean that the recent unhappiness among conservative opinion-makers will have no effect on the race.

Among independents, Palin saw her favorable ratings drop from 60 percent in early September to just 48 percent last week while her unfavorable ratings rose from 26 percent to 36 percent.

These independent voters are likely to be influenced by the conventional wisdom of the chattering class. As those in the so-called "Gang of 500" become more pessimistic about Palin, independent and undecided voters are more likely see her in a more negative light.

Talk to Palin advisers, however, and they insist that she is working to reclaim her public identity. "She wants people to see and hear more of the original Sarah Palin," said one adviser to Palin who was granted anonymity to speak freely. "A renewed approach started [Monday] with a commanding performance wrapping up her commitment to Katie Couric and CBS." (Palin was more forceful in her co-interview with McCain yesterday with Couric.)

Palin's best chance to change this narrative in the campaign is to outperform expectations during Thursday night's debate. She must appear competent in her knowledge of issues and willing to occasionally go off her script in order to change the cementing conventional wisdom. The Palin adviser, seeking to lower expectations for Thursday night predicted: "Palin is being Palin but she knows she's got her work cut out for her with the 35-year debate society champ from Delaware."

Regardless of the expectations game, if Palin can't change the story line Thursday night, it is a MAJOR problem for McCain.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 30, 2008; 6:50 AM ET
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What happened to the Palin Tax return?

Why isn't anyone asking? I believe that there is a reason that it has not been made public.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 2, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Where is the Palin tax return?

They were given a week's extension by the FEC to file their Financial Disclosure document, but that is not their tax return.

What is the McCain campaign hoping to hide? That a moose ate the return?

Posted by: Luke2 | October 1, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you for attacking Palin. What happened to investigating his highness Obama?

Obama, ACORN, and Fannie Mae: What exactly does a "community organizer" do? Barack Obama's rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here's a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit (Source: Stanley Kurtz, The National Review).
What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. ACORN is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because ACORN works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. ACORN likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama.

In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes - and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.

In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it. Read the shocking details...

Read the $700 Billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 bill currently in Congress.

Find out why Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are impeding Republican efforts to investigate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Even Bill Clinton blames the democrats for obstructing efforts to investigate these corrupt institutions and their executives who stole tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.

In 2005, Sen. McCain co-sponsored a bill to tighten control of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The bill was opposed primarily by House Democrats led by Rep. Frank Barney who wanted little control or oversight of these financial giants. Read the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 that was co-sponsored by Sen. McCain and rejected by House Democrats.

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: nnia | October 1, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

BIGOTTED AND BIASED - THAT IS GWEN IFILL, THE WRONG MODERATOR FOR THE VP DEBATE. SHE JUST PENNED A LOVING TRIBUTE TO OBAMA, READY FOR DISTRIBUTION ON THE PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURATION DAY - OBVIOUSLY THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT OBAMA WILL BE THAT PRESIDENT. PLEASE PEOPLE WAKE UP. THE MEDIA IS DRUNK ON ITS OWN IRRESPONSIBLE GLOATING... NO FAIRNESS OR SOUNDNESS IN THE LIBERAL, LOPSIDED REPORTING. SHAME ON GWEN IFILL AND SHAME ON THE DEBATE BOARD.
SICK OF THE OBAMA/MESSIAH SELL.

Posted by: DemocratForPeace | October 1, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

some wag blurted:

While I don't agree with absolutely everything Palin says, she is right on when she talks about the change in journalism today.

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It doesn't change the fact that she is incompetent for the job.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 1, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

While I don't agree with absolutely everything Palin says, she is right on when she talks about the change in journalism today.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 1, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 1, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Listen carefully to this 8 minute video from a hearing committee meeting from 2004. It is pretty clear as to who is to blame. Quite an eye opener.

In their own words covering up the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and Economic Crisis.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Posted by: xvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwx | October 1, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

HughBliss to you pathetic remark....

That was Billy Clinton and I don't believe you have the facts.... It wasn't lipstick and the poor girl's name destroyed is Monica.

Posted by: xvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwx | October 1, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

DMMGBA???

Governor is not wanting to secession from the the greatest land on earth and I just hope you love her half as much as the governor loves the USA.

Posted by: xvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwx | October 1, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

LoL Couric you tried and failed.

Governor Palin was right on every count and did great PERIOD!!!

The writer here of this article is blind if can't see what an asset she truly is.
Oh & BTW Katie did you get Kissinger's statement that Barrack Hussein Obama lied. And the way you treated pooooooor Hilary over her Bosnia lie, shame shame shame on you Obama. And while I'm addressing you Sir, I don't appreciate you and your wife continuously running down my country. She's not proud for forty years and now you speaking gloom and doom about precious little children not liking my country? Do tell me why the millions just given citizenship came to such a terrible place and the half-million D-Ca Melendez is trying to at this moment, bully down our throats. Sir, you turned around and spoke so softly and genuine about Kenya, perhaps that would be a better place for the two of you so you can be proud and have no need to gloom and doom about my country!!

Posted by: xvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwvwx | October 1, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse

SARAH PALIN AND SECESSION FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I have a **HUGE** problem with the fact that Palin and her husband Todd ("first dude") were associated with the Alaskan Independence Party (AIG).

THE GOAL OF THE ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY

According to their website, the AIG wants to "Become a separate and Independent Nation"

REPUBLICAN HISTORY 101

The Civil War was fought because Southern States were attempting to secede from the United States of America. Over 700,000 people died in that conflict. President Abraham Lincoln brought true Republican values to end the attempted rebellion and keep our country united. There was much blood spilled and sacrifices made to keep our great country united.

Maybe the folks up in Alaska who want to secede from the USA think its "cool" or "fun" to stockpile arms and talk of leaving this great country, but I think that they are unaware of the sacrifices that have been made to keep our country together.

HOW THE MIGHTY PARTY HAS FALLEN!

In 1860 the True Republican Party under Abraham Lincoln's direction stopped the United States from being divided into separate countries. Now, in 2008, the Sarah Palin and her husband, who have been members of the Alaskan Independence Party and are sympathetic to the goals of the Alaskan Independence Party want to become Vice-President and "first dude" of the USA?

QUESTION SARAH PALIN'S ALLEGIANCE

Q: Does Sarah Palin truly "pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation Under God, INDIVISIBLE, with Liberty and Justice for all." I do not believe that the Palin's care at all for our country!!!

Anybody who attempts secession from this great country of ours should be arrested and put on trial, not promoted to the highest office in the land!!!

Sarah Palin is **NOT** representative of the Republican Party that I know, I disagree strongly with her secessionist "values" and am going to vote against her in the upcoming election.

Here's a video that she made speaking to her "Party"
http://www.homepagedaily.com/Pages/article5871-sarah-palin-addresses-alaskan-independence-party.aspx

Posted by: dmmgba | October 1, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Karl Rove put lipstick on Michael Vick's pitbull and called it ... Sarah Palin!

Posted by: HughBriss | October 1, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

IN A YEAR TIME, I AM 100% SURE GOV. PALIN CAN DEAL WITH THE WORLD BETTER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER 3 CANDIDATES!!!! This woman has tremendous potential!!!

Up until 2 months ago, Gov. Palin focus was on governing Alaska. And her schedule has been very busy for the past 2 months. So, she will need a little more time to study America’s relationship with the world. When she has more thoroughly studied America’s relationship with the world, she will be more prepared to deal with the world than any of the other candidates. I am 100% sure of this.

Why will she be much more capable to deal with the world than the other 3 candidates? She has a much stronger foundation:

* She has more EXECUTIVE (leadership) experience.
* She is more WORLDY and tenacious.
* She communicates and listens well.
* She is humble, personable, moral, and emotionally stable.
* She has diverse occupational knowledge.

BTW, for you Hillary supporters who was willing to support Sen. Clinton, compare Gov. Palin’s qualifications with Sen. Clinton’s. Gov. Palin comes out ahead. So, if you were willing to vote Sen. Clinton, here is a better reason to vote for a woman VP. (BTW, this woman needs to do a resume. It will surely give her focus, and maker her see how she can apply her talents to the Presidency. Also, she has to emphasize her strengths.)

Posted by: CoreyB2 | October 1, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

I just posted an article predicting the topics (and responses) for the VP debate to be held on Thursday night in St Louis. Check for it on www.associatedcontent.com and check for my other opinion piece(s) on www.weeklywilson.com. Sarah Palin is not ready to hold any national office; I'm not even sure she's done well as a Governor. As documented in the September 28th Chicago Tribute, she increased the budget 70% while Wasilla's population grew by only 25% and she has never governed from a position of budgetary weakness, only from a position of budgetary strength. Regarding Roger Ebert's comments on the in ability to look Obama in the eye, I, too, commented on this on associated content, saying that it is usually a sign that the individual has been lying or is a hothead. In this case, both are true. The Democrats have put a truly representative ticket forth, not an evangelical's dream ticket that will stuff the Supreme Court with judges who think the world is flat and global warming is a myth and will ban much-needed stem cell research. Roger Ebert is right: McCain's demeanor was rigid, condescending, and weasel-like during the first debate. I'll be present at the second one (in Nashville). Check for my firsthand account(s) on www.weeklywilson.com and www.associatedcontent.com.

Posted by: EINNOC10 | October 1, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

"Loved it. AND she avoids getting pinned down as to what sources of info she reads."

lol...So this is your version of being at the top of her game? Not naming the sources of info she reads? Is it a state secret? Is that considered harmful information? Why is not having an answer to an unbelievably simple question a good thing? The bar truly is set low. Keep dreaming.

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It's only because she didn't know if "US" magazine was prounced "U.S." as in "United States" or "US" as in "We," so she tried to change the subject.

It's hard being governor of Alaska! Yup.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"Loved it. AND she avoids getting pinned down as to what sources of info she reads."

lol...So this is your version of being at the top of her game? Not naming the sources of info she reads? Is it a state secret? Is that considered harmful information? Why is not having an answer to an unbelievably simple question a good thing? The bar truly is set low. Keep dreaming.

Posted by: 4achange | September 30, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Actually, that newspaper bit was awesome. "Alaska does get the news you know, just like the rest of America." Loved it. AND she avoids getting pinned down as to what sources of info she reads.

And thanks for that link on her debate prep - she really is Reaganesque. That has to kill liberals who hated being outfoxed by a supposed "amiable dunce" back in the 80s.

Dare we dream?


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Nightmares can come true. Even pseudo-Reaganesque ones.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, that newspaper bit was awesome. "Alaska does get the news you know, just like the rest of America." Loved it. AND she avoids getting pinned down as to what sources of info she reads.

And thanks for that link on her debate prep - she really is Reaganesque. That has to kill liberals who hated being outfoxed by a supposed "amiable dunce" back in the 80s.

Dare we dream?

Posted by: vimrich | September 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Palin's BACK people. She ROCKED with Couric on the latest posted today. I think she's realized these interviews are not a quiz show, people want to know what she thinks on the issue.

She did a blog/radio piece too and was really in her element. The more the better right now. Biden better watch out! Barracuda is comin'!

Posted by: vimrich | September 30, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

We all know that republican are liars, I'm sure Palin is going to start making up lies to make them look good. Well, Americans are not stupid. Some FOXNEWS commentators are, but not us. FoxNews employers on your side are making money out of your stupidity which we feel sorry for them especially O'Reilly Factor, he is a factor of all evil. Obama/08

Posted by: goldieluck | September 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

EXCELLENT article on what surprises to expect from Palin on Thursday. A must read.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palindebate1-2008oct01,0,113995.story?page=2

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Palin was pretty bad tonight on Couric, I have to admit. She couldn't name one magazine or newspaper she reads, not even the ones in Alaska.

If the transcript's correct, it's her most egregious gaffe yet. It's utterly undefendable.

Posted by: info42 | September 30, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Sukeam, no one is suggesting that Wall St. flounder. There are options other than socializing the market. Your assumption is incorrect. To assume there is only one way to handle this situation is constricted. There are many economists that feel there are other options, besides socialization to combat this economic crisis. Yes, clearly some people are reactionary. Fear alone should not produce a knee-jerk reaction to approve a bad package deal. Look how well that has worked out in other circumstances.

Posted by: 4achange | September 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

After reading these, and many other "Reader" comments, it is clear that the greatest problem with the conservative movement is the lack of of intelligent thought. The knee-jerk, simplistic level of the pro-Palin statements above reflect a "ditto-head" view of the world with little understanding of the realities we face, and a tendency to fall back upon crude sound bites, and invective.

For example, one person above warned against the creation of a "socialist Wall Street" with the bailout. Hummmm. I certainly do not wish to see individual bankers and brokers walk away from this debacle with a free ticket (those who profited the most from earlier mismanagement should fork over much of their profit back to their shareholders), many people do not see to realize the following:

If the banking system goes down the tubes, so do you. However, instead of facing the grim possibilty of real systemic collapse, such references betray a tendency to conceptualize the problems in the banking world in terms of boogey-men and strange conflations.

I always appreciated the realistic view of the world found in earlier conservative though. Sadly, it has devolved into crude reactionary invective.

Posted by: sukeam | September 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

AP:

Gov. Sarah Palin cites vigilance against Russian warplanes coming into U.S. airspace over Alaska as one of her foreign policy credentials. But the U.S. military command in charge says that hasn't happened in her 21 months in office.

"When you consider even national security issues with Russia, as (Prime Minister Vladimir) Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where - where do they go? It's Alaska," the Republican vice presidential nominee said in an interview last week with CBS News' Katie Couric.

The spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, Maria Comella, clarified in an e-mail to The Associated Press that when "Russian incursions near Alaskan airspace and inside the air defense identification zone have occurred ... U.S. Air Force fighters have been scrambled repeatedly."

The air defense identification zone, almost completely over water, extends 12-mile past the perimeter of the United States. Most nations have similar areas.

However, no Russian military planes have been flying even into that zone, said Maj. Allen Herritage, a spokesman for the Alaska region of the North American Aerospace Defense Command, at Elmendorf Air Force Base.

"To be very clear, there has not been any incursion in U.S. airspace in recent years," Herritage said.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Jack Cafferty has just skewered Sarah Palin again after a second Katie Couric interview (with John McCain by her side in case a tough question gets asked).

I have just posted the video, along with the original video where Cafferty calls Palin "pathetic."

You can see both videos right now at:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/jack-cafferty-rips-palin-again-on-2nd.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 30, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Please save this country from this empty suit who will tax and spend this country into the gutter and we will never get out."

TEXAN...We have already been spent into the gutter. No matter how this bailout is resolved, we will be footing the bill. Wall Street will still have to self-correct, and the dollar will be devalued once the printing press starts producing more money. Credit and loans will be almost non-existent. Bush wants to bring us even further down by encouraging a socialist based Wall St. How could Obama possibly do worse?

Posted by: 4achange | September 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Jews voting for Obama is a vote for Farrakhan. Say NO to Obama!

Posted by: Texan2007
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Conservatives listening to TExan is a vote for the devil!

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Jews voting for Obama is a vote for Farrakhan. Say NO to Obama!

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Oy! THAT should work! Good job!

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Jews voting for Obama is a vote for Farrakhan. Say NO to Obama!

Posted by: Texan2007 | September 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin's "conserative" "problem" has been created by the far left liberal media and Obama supporters. America and McCain supporters, do NOT put up with this! Tell Obama NO on November 4th! He has NO experience and he is at the TOP of the ticket. He just READS a teleprompter! A third grader can read.
Please save this country from this empty suit who will tax and spend this country into the gutter and we will never get out.

Posted by: Texan2007 | September 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

You still have a chance... don't blow it.

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I'll pass. But thanks.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

You can quote from any religious text you want..it won't change the facts.
In fact, according to Jewish and Christian theology, denying reality is itself blasphemous.
Not that that will change your reality-denying mind.
Posted by: wpost4112
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You still have a chance... don't blow it.

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that evangelical right-wing conservatives have no problem with spewing overt racism, lying, holding double-standards regarding out-of-wedlock underage child-bearing and other less than "christian" values?

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Because they believe that God is on their side and so anything they say or do is "of God."

It's a delusion as old as ...well, as old as the first religion.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I know you don't have the substance to digest this, but for the benefit of someone who might...

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Like I said, you reveal yourself as someone neither trustworthy nor credible in matters of fact or spirituality.

The spirit of God can never be anything but truthful.

And dinosaurs did not walk the earth with man.

You can quote from any religious text you want..it won't change the facts.
In fact, according to Jewish and Christian theology, denying reality is itself blasphemous.

Not that that will change your reality-denying mind.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that evangelical right-wing conservatives have no problem with spewing overt racism, lying, holding double-standards regarding out-of-wedlock underage child-bearing and other less than "christian" values? Some of these posts are outright ugly but apparently these trolls think that they will somehow convince others in the blogosphere to their narrow-minded and hate-filled positions. This is the same mindset that premeates the Rovian dirty tricks campaign tactics of the John Bush campaign.

Posted by: jbartlett1 | September 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I know you don't have the substance to digest this, but for the benefit of someone who might...

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Like I said, you reveal yourself as someone neither trustworthy nor credible in matters of fact or spirituality.

The spirit of God can never be anything but truthful.

And dinosaurs did not walk the earth with man.

You can quote from any religious text you want..it won't change the facts.
In fact, according to Jewish and Christian theology, denying reality is itself blasphemous.

Not that that will change your reality-denying mind.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Evolution and "God" are not mutually exclusive.
A universe that is only 6000 years old and the physical evidence are.
Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 4:29 PM
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I know you don't have the substance to digest this, but for the benefit of someone who might...

Job 38:2-41 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed? Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken. Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death? Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof? Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great? Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war? By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth? Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder; To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man; To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth? Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew? Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee? Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are? Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart? Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven, When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together? Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions, When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait? Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

PS:Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

Job 41:1-2 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?

Just to name a few things...

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin does not have a problem with conservatives, who else are they going to vote for.

Senator Mc Cain now has a problem with middle of the road Democratic and Independent voters who were giving him consideration as an alternative to Senator Obama.

I am one of those who was considering Senator Mc Cain until his lack of judgement in the selection of Governor Palin.

The suggestion that she is in anyway qualified to serve as Vice President or President is absurd

Posted by: oldgeek143 | September 30, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The real problem is John McCain and his judgement which is risky and reckless in chosing Sarah Palin. McCain has gambled and lost by taking this risk. And with the econmony going down day by day, its clear McCain has no idea what's he's doing take a look at the way he running his campaign. This is a clear sign how he would run an McCain/Palin administration.

The question is who do you trust more Senator Obama who showed from the start since the primaries and in the general election how he would handle a crisis.

I prefer Senator Obama who has shown calm and restraint when a crisis arises. This bailout is the 3am call and look at the clips of how Mccain responded he seemed rattled and showned eratic behavior surely not a good sign of a commander & chief.

Obama for President

Posted by: judycaesar | September 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I firmly believe that God created the world, and has forecast the events of today. I even believe that dinosaurs and men co-inhabited the earth, and the dinosaurs were killed in the flood of Noah.
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Thing is, your "beliefs" about dinosaurs and the history of the earth are disproved by physical evidence.

That just makes you someone few would trust or listen to because you are determined to deny reality.

Evolution and "God" are not mutually exclusive.

A universe that is only 6000 years old and the physical evidence are.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Mike Gravel sticks up for Palin again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKGqogmnAjI

If only the McCain campaign had as much faith in her.

Posted by: info42 | September 30, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

By all means, let her talk. She will continue to stumble because she is not ever going to understand national and international issues - she's never thought about them before now, so why should she - and the public should get the full display of her ignorant ramblings.

What a maverick that John McCain was to put up a completely unqualified candidate for Vice President. Now THAT'S thinking outside the box!

Posted by: johnsonc2 | September 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Howey Mandel and George Clooney looked and sounded like doctors but you would not want them operating on you. The republicans are actually trying to sell us what might as well be a actor as their candidate. It is a movie set where if you go through the door you will find there is nothing back there. By the way I have seen this movie before. It stared Robert Redford and was called "The Candidate".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Candidate_(1972_film)

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The problem is that McCain knows what we'll get if they "free Sarah Palin" - someone who doesn't know a lick and didn't particularly care about anything outside of Alaska. Her knowledge of anything of national scope is ridiculously thin for someone aspiring to national office. Every answer will be some
talking point and "I'll get back to you." Freeing Sarah Palin is great if she can speak from a position of knowledge, and she just can't. So they are stuck with the phony appearances and pushing the media to change the rules so she'll look like she knows or cares about national issues.

Posted by: Charlene-K | September 30, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but if Sarah is left to be Sarah, she'll never stop talking, and she'll miss out on her programming lessons and memorization time. Her recitations are like a second grader who has practiced a poem, with the spastic hesitations and corrections from previously failed testings a little too obvious. Even noticeable are the points she has been instructed to emphasize, and she just doesn't even "GET" that! She goes from just calm girlie chatter to jumping into a louder, attempt at a more serious screechy tone!

What a national DISGRACE!! This sick joke of McCain's must make our country the laughing stock across the oceans! I can just HEAR them snickering! At LEAST he could've picked someone with a BRAIN!! This is truly scarey should McCain win the Presidency cuz I doubt he has 4 more years left in him. His DAD died at age 70!! So, he's already living on borrowed time.

Posted by: Maerzie | September 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that McCain knows what we'll get if they "free Sarah Palin" - someone who doesn't know a lick and didn't particularly care about anything outside of Alaska. Her knowledge of anything of national scope is ridiculously thin for someone aspiring to national office. Every answer will be some talking point and "I'll get back to you." Freeing Sarah Palin is great if she can speak from a position of knowledge, and she just can't. So they are stuck with the phony appearances and pushing the media to change the rules so she'll look like she knows or cares about national issues.

Posted by: Charlene-K | September 30, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I think most of us will at some point in the future look back at this election as a crazy circus. Probably we will see a small story in the paper that Sen John Mccain has died and look up saying "I remember him he was that strange guy who ran for president a few years ago". Palin I have a feeling will not win a reelection as governor and other then a book she may write that may sell for a while, will fade into obscurity.


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Just because you don't believe in God does not give you any authority or right to critisize other that do. I firmly believe that God created the world, and has forecast the events of today. I even believe that dinosaurs and men co-inhabited the earth, and the dinosaurs were killed in the flood of Noah.

I do not believe, however, that Sarah Palin should allow herself to be used for the advantage of power, either self-aggrandizement or that of that of the party she affiliates with. But if she truly is the Christian she says she is, she will strive to do the noble thing... in every situation.

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a phenomenon all right.
It's amazing how bad she is. I'm starting to think that McCain would have been better served by choosing a jelly doughnut as his running mate. It wouldn't have been able to give interviews, no one would have been able to blame it for ducking the press, and it would have appealed to someone other than just really-really-stupid-people....base Wingnuts.

Posted by: DrainYou | September 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

B55:

I haven't been to church in 30 years
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Yes. That's pretty obvious.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, one more thing:

I did not create the world in 7 days. I did, however, cause the big bang that got this whole thing started. Dinosaurs walked the earth WAY before humans evolved. The great flood never happened, Adam and Eve never happened. People, these stories are just fables to make you understand that I exist! Don't be so literal! Geez, you religous righties aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, are you!

When faced w/ overwhelming evidence and facts, it is ok to question my book. Remember, I did not write it. I just told the stories and many, many years later, man wrote it down. Don't you think a few things could have gotten skewed in the translation?

Thanks,

GOD

Posted by: Godhimself1 | September 30, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The US economy is on the verge of meltdown. Even after we get past the short term credit crisis, the long term effects of this crisis will be felt in the real economy for some time (think Japan in the economic wilderness for 18 years). So, some very complex and difficult decisions will need to be made by our next President(s) over the next 8 years. And, the Japanese experience proves that making the wrong decisions simply prolongs the economic agony.

So given the incredibly complex economic tipping points that face our next President(s), how can anyone in their right mind whatch the Palin/Couric interviews and not be scared to death by the thought of Palin at the helm during these times.

Its like asking me to land a 747 (and I am not a pilot).

Forest Gump comes to mind: "Stupid is as Stupid Does".

Posted by: dcolby | September 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Saveoursouls says:

It appears that many gave McCain the benefit of the doubt during his debate with Obama. However, he proved to be a deliberately shrewd and churlish, synic bent on nothing less than defaming, denegrating and otherwise castigating his opponent.

It is no wonder he could not look his opponent in the eyes, nor could he look into the camera and face the American people.

It is no wonder he had a problem with shaking Mr. Obama's hand, even though the senator made his way across the stage to do so.

He is a rather frightening choice in my estimation. Hopefully, Sarah will think for herself and refuse to take on his mannerisms or characteristics.

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Guess who's not coming to dinner


BY ROGER EBERT / September 28, 2008

by Roger Ebert

I do not like you, John McCain. My feeling has nothing to do with issues. It has to do with common courtesy. During the debate, you refused to look Barack Obama in the eye. Indeed, you refused to look at him at all. Even when the two of you shook hands at the start, you used your eyes only to locate his hand, and then gazed past him as you shook it.

Obama is my guy. If you are rude to him, you are rude to me. If you came to dinner at my house and refused to look at or speak with one of my guests, that would be bad manners and I would be offended. Same thing if I went to your house. During the debate, you were America's guest.

What was your problem? Do you hold this man in such contempt that you cannot bear to gaze upon him? Will you not even speak to him directly?
Do you think he doesn't have the right to be running for President?
Were you angry because after you said you wouldn't attend the debate, he said a President should be able to concern himself with two things at the same time? He was right. The proof is, you were there. Were you angry with him because he called your bluff?

During the debate, Jim Lehrer repeatedly called upon both candidates to speak directly to each other. Obama looked at you. He addressed you as "John," which as a fellow senator is his privilege. His body language was open. You stared straight ahead, or at Lehrer, or into space. Your jaw was clinched. You had a tight little smile, or a grimace, or a little shake of your head.

I had to do two things at once while watching the debate. I had to listen to what was being said. And I had to process your rigid and contemptuous behavior. If you were at a wedding and the father of the groom refused to look at or speak to the bride, how would that make you feel? Especially if you were the father of the bride?

You made a TV commercial showing the moments Obama agreed with you.
Everybody knows he did. Did his agreement show honesty, or weakness?
It is significant that you said it proved he was not ready to lead.
What is the better leadership quality: (1) Willingness to listen to your opponent, and keep an open mind? (2) Rigidly ignoring him? Which of the two of you better demonstrated the bipartisan spirit you say you represent? Was there anything he said that you agreed with? Could you have brought yourself to say so?

I'm not the only one who noticed your odd, hostile behavior. Just about everybody did. I'm sure many of your supporters must have sensed the tension. Before the debate, pundits were wondering if you might explode in a display of your famous temper. I think we saw that happen, all right, but it was an implosion. I have instructed my wife to exclude you from any future dinner parties.

Original Posting: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/COMMENTARY/809289997

Say no more.

Posted by: Tee82 | September 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I hope you are kidding. Everything you say can be easily proved to be wrong. What is the point in believing something that can be shown to not be true? Thats what I call real belief. I hope you don't believe the earth is flat or the center of the solar system. This may seem off the subject but if Palin begins spouting the stuff you just said she will sound nuts. You know, these questions may come up as far as what she believes.


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Just because you don't believe in God does not give you any authority or right to critisize other that do. I firmly believe that God created the world, and has forecast the events of today. I even believe that dinosaurs and men co-inhabited the earth, and the dinosaurs were killed in the flood of Noah.

I do not believe, however, that Sarah Palin should allow herself to be used for the advantage of power, either self-aggrandizement or that of that of the party she affiliates with. But if she truly is the Christian she says she is, she will strive to do the noble thing... in every situation.

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a true American hero from Alaska, and she is a maverick. First she mavericked those fat cats in Alaska, and soon she is coming to a white house near you for some real hockey mom mavericking.

Posted by: veganjoe | September 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Children, children, you must stop bickering. And you conservative right-wingers are the worst of the bunch. You spew hatred, intolerance and bigotry. You skew my words to fit your own purposes.

Lets remember what I taught you: You are to love EVERYBODY as your brother no matter what.

None of you will be welcome in my kingdom if you keep this up. Don't make me come down there!

And righties, the middle and left of your country are more in-tuned to what I am about. They love everybody, they help anybody, they exclude no one because of color, religion, intelligence, social standing, etc. They want a fair playing field for everyone. They want your country to progress to its potential. They realize they are their brother's keeper.

Finally, my endorsement for your president goes to Senator Barack Obama. He has the heart and intelligence that a Chief Executive should have. (And this is pretty big endorsement, seeing that I'm an Omnipresent Being and all.)

Posted by: Godhimself1 | September 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Just because you don't believe in God does not give you any authority or right to critisize other that do. I firmly believe that God created the world, and has forecast the events of today. I even believe that dinosaurs and men co-inhabited the earth, and the dinosaurs were killed in the flood of Noah.

I do not believe, however, that Sarah Palin should allow herself to be used for the advantage of power, either self-aggrandizement or that of that of the party she affiliates with. But if she truly is the Christian she says she is, she will strive to do the noble thing... in every situation.

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

HOW DOES PALIN DEAL WITH THIS IF IT COMES UP IN THE DEBATE? THERE ARE SURE TO BE QUESTIONS ON RELIGION.


The LA Times reports:

Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.

After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.

Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.

The idea of a "young Earth" -- that God created the Earth about 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs and humans coexisted early on -- is a popular strain of creationism.

Though in her race for governor she called for faith-based "intelligent design" to be taught along with evolution in Alaska's schools, Gov. Palin has not sought to require it, state educators say.

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Info 42, thanks for the verifiable sources. There's nothing like hearsay.

Posted by: 4achange | September 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's what someone from the media (likely the Post) wrote to Instapundit:

"Off the record, every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true. We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and its working."

Posted by: info42 |
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info:

It comes down to making things up now, uh? Man, you guys are desperate(and freakin' loony too!)

Posted by: Godhimself1 | September 30, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Bcamp55:

"I have seen thousands of INDIGENT people and every single one gets care. My problem is with the IRRESPONSIBLE scum who own:
"Somehow of course they can’t afford health insurance for them or the 13 kids."
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Your wretched soul is showing!

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Bcamp55:

"I have seen thousands of INDIGENT people and every single one gets care. My problem is with the IRRESPONSIBLE scum who own: cell phones, $150 sneakers, rims, ridiculous gold jewelry, and of course let’s not forget that all important necessity of a nice grill for that fabulous smile.

"Somehow of course they can’t afford health insurance for them or the 13 kids."

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Leaving aside the obvious and rather revolting racism in your post, it is also as you know BS. It reminds me of Reagan's oft-repeated assertion about how he used to see welfare mothers driving up to the supermarket in their Cadillacs to buy fillet mignon with their Food Stamps. He could never actually produce any evidence for this assertion but he repeated it so often that, in his mind, I'm sure it became the truth.

Now I will give you — as briefly as I can — a TRUE story to illustrate why we need universal health care in this country. I personally know the family I am about to tell you about.

Family, father and mother 40-ish, children about 13, 10 and 5. Father has good steady middle management job, mother is substitute teacher. Family is covered by father's health insurance. Father gets multiple sclerosis. No problems at first. Insurance covers hospital care but drugs only partly covered are a hardship. But family is coping. Father's health begins to deteriorate rapidly. Mother has been lookiong for full-time teaching position but without luck. Father gets too ill to work, loses health coverage along with job. Bills are now piling up rapidly. Father applies for public assistance (Medicaid) but assets are too great for him to qualify. Family exhausts all retirement and college savings. Still having difficulty with expensive medications — frequently having to postpone getting needed drugs — and rising hospital bills. Family loses house to foreclosure. Now living in two-bedroom apartment, not a good situation with two boys and a girl (middle child) in the family. Problems are compounded when oldest kid now 17 is very seriously injured when hit by a speeding motorist while riding home from work on his bicycle. Mother still substitute teaching (no health benefits) and holding down a part-time job while trying to care for husband and raise kids. Family is deep in debt with no prospect of ever getting out of debt. Kids' college plans postponed indefinitely.

That is the TRUE face of the health care model the US has adopted and you support. It would NOT happen in any other advanced industrialized (OECD) country whether Canada to our immediate north or ANY European country. (I have lived at different times in three European countries and I know their health care systems as a consumer almost as well as I know the US system.) We pay AT LEAST twice as much per capita for health care as any other comparable country, in some cases more than three times as much, yet we have close to 50 million with NO health insurance, and our health outcomes, by almost any standard are worse. So far from having the best health care system in the world, the World Health Organization ranks the US as about 35th when compared with the rest of the world. And the fact is that we absolutely MUST radically reform our system as it is already bankrupting the country.

Please stop spewing prejudice on this topic. It is a serious matter and one that needs to be addressed seriously.

Posted by: truthtopower40 | September 30, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

It appears that many gave McCain the benefit of the doubt during his debate with Obama. However, he proved to be a deliberately shrewd and churlish, synic bent on nothing less than defaming, denegrating and otherwise castigating his opponent.

It is no wonder he could not look his opponent in the eyes, nor could he look into the camera and face the American people.

It is no wonder he had a problem with shaking Mr. Obama's hand, even though the senator made his way across the stage to do so.

He is a rather frightening choice in my estimation. Hopefully, Sarah will think for herself and refuse to take on his mannerisms or characteristics.

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin not only has by far more executive experience than Socialist Democrat Barack Obama, but as Gov. of Alaska was Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard."

First, the National Guard is under federal control and the Governor is not briefed on the military aspects. She is only in charge of in-state natural disasters and emergencies.
Second, executive experience is just another term for someone who has had experience in managing. If you are using this as an argument, then John McCain, the person on the top of the ticket, is not qualified.
The rest of your statements are racially based and do not deserve a response.

Posted by: 4achange | September 30, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who don't know the definition of "socialism," 1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

This is what is happening in banking, wallstreet, and inevitably in a city near you. How is it that this is happening under this administration?

How is it that every fear, distortion, or otherwise drama-queen sentiment is evident right here and now, before anyone else is elected in November?

Alas, that which you fear the most is already upon you.

Posted by: saveoursouls | September 30, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Two points: 1)- Sarah Palin not only has by far more executive experience than Socialist Democrat Barack Obama, but as Gov. of Alaska was Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. By contrast Barack Obama's so-called 'experience' was as a Socialist Communist inspired Chicago rabble-rouser, pushing his black liberation and white and America--hating....blah, blah, blah"

I hope the big dump you just took all over this blog felt good.

Posted by: Spodeworld | September 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Two points: 1)- Sarah Palin not only has by far more executive experience than Socialist Democrat Barack Obama, but as Gov. of Alaska was Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. By contrast Barack Obama's so-called 'experience' was as a Socialist Communist inspired Chicago rabble-rouser, pushing his black liberation and white and America--hating theology that played well with the black community and the followers of Nation of Islam leaders Louis Farrakhan's message, which resulted in them electing him to political office. 2)- The poll numbers that the liberal Democrat Socialist Obama supporters are now gleefully pointing to, believing that Obama will get elected come November, aren't too far off from the poll numbers Hanoi John Kerry had running up to his defeat in 2004. The most accurate poll then was Rassmusens, which had Hanoi John up for all but 19 days in the Daily Tracking Poll over a 5 month period. Given Barack Obama's 20+ year history of being a member of and supporter of a vile racist white--hating and America--hating cult (laughably called 'church'), I find it hard to believe that the American people would be dumb enough to elect a desiple of the Louis Farrakhan ideology. I for one believe the American people are not that dumb.

Posted by: armpeg | September 30, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

There is a visual and verbal disconnect between McCain and Palin. Their body language is always awkward and policy opinions are not in sync. They are total strangers to one another, yet they pretend to know and understand each other well. For McCain to feel he needed to be present during the interview shows his total distrust and insecurity of her ability to defend herself, yet he claims she is extremely qualified and capable of handling herself. Another disconnect. This is a "marriage of convenience" and the lack of a solid foundation is showing.

Posted by: 4achange | September 30, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Wpost4112 drooled
Don't you marvel at the self-righteous?
Those who judge everyone else with their omniscient moral geiger-counter?
Claiming the moral xtian high ground while grinding the unworthies underfoot?
So inispiring! So uplifting! So....loving.
Who says religion doesn't make us better members of society??
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Since when is it “self righteous” to expect people to provide for themselves. That’s the difference between conservatives and liberals. I’m sure you don’t pay taxes so what do you care – you are on the receiving end.

Let’s see how long you would support your neighbor who sat on his fat ass all day while you housed and fed him and his children, gave them health care, money, day care and got nothing in return. Not long I’m sure.

BTW- ignoramous as I stated in an earlier post which you replied to; I haven't been to church in 30 years so I suppose to a communist that still makes me what? Religeous? Are you ignorant or is this just short term memory loss?

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

B55 spits:
Nice job wpost4112------ 3 listings out of a 20+ year career.

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I didn't want to show off.

But continue on with your enlightened and enlightening posts....they are most revelatory.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Nice job wpost4112------ 3 listings out of a 20+ year career.

Obammoron has shifted more this afternoon that McCain did in the last decade.

See that's the point little lemming - even when you compare negatives of the two candidates; for the short time Obamoron has been in office he has an unbelievable record-

Obamoron with his hand out for almost a billion in pork compared to not a penny in McCain during his entire career.

I especially like that fact that the virtuous Obamoron took $126,000 from Freddie/Fannie compared to $26K for McCain in over 20 years.

It's especially nice to know he took it while he was voting to kill S.190 - the bill cosponsored by McCain which would have brought oversight to any organization involved in secondary subprime lending.

Now that's change we can believe in, right troll?

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

jgault1.....you need to take your prejudice self somewhere else this is not the blog for you. Just by insulting Obama by putting him and Hussein name together says to me that you made your decision based on the fact his name can be tied to Hussein's! Go somewhere with that foolishness. Regardless of what you think about Obama's views, as an American, that is an insult. I have been reading all the comments since this morning and I have not seen one racist remark (from either side) until you posted. If you want to post, post what you disagree with Obama on, and the real reason why you believe Palin is the best candidate (McCain is running for President, remember). All you can say about Palin is "something about her life experience you can trust". What are you talking about, having a disabled child, a teenage pregnant daughter, being in a beauty pageant, etc. I mean, then half the woman in America should be able to run for VP, if that's what it's based on. And people stop talking about what happened in the past elections, we are in a new era, we need somebody that can move us into the future.

Posted by: Tee82 | September 30, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama has drawn a +3 in Florida.

just so you guys know.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 30, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

jgault1.....you need to take your prejudice self somewhere else this is not the blog for you. Just by insulting Obama by putting him and Hussein name together says to me that you made your decision based on the fact his name can be tied to Hussein's! Go somewhere with that foolishness. Regardless of what you think about Obama's views, as an American, that is an insult. I have been reading all the comments since this morning and I have not seen one racist remark (from either side) until you posted. If you want to post, post what you disagree with Obama on, and the real reason why you believe Palin is the best candidate (McCain is running for President, remember). All you can say about Palin is "something about her life experience you can trust". What are talking about, having a disabled child, a teenage pregnant daughter, being in a beauty pageant, etc. I mean, then half the woman in America should be able to run for VP, if that's what it's based on. And people stop talking about what happened in the past elections, we are in a new era, we need somebody that can move us into the future.

Posted by: Tee82 | September 30, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

So basically Palin does ok as long as McCain is there to protect her, speak for her...like a creepy overbearing, father-figure-husband.

What is the lesson- that Palin will do fine as a president, as long as a man is there actually running the show?

What a role model for women!
(sarcasm)

Posted by: julieds | September 30, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

--"It's hard to know -- looking at the polls -- whether these rising voices of discontent on the right will change how Republicans and conservatives view Palin."--

I don't think it's Palin the individual. In a post-Rove, post-Bush world - replace the name 'Sarah Palin' with 'Evangelical of Your Choice'. I think they're going to have the same sort of trouble.

I think it's the start of self-confessed conservatives beginning to wonder what they're about: Evangelical / Libertarian / Whatever.

Posted by: DonJasper | September 30, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Matt Taibi said it best:

"The scariest thing about Sarah Palin isn't how unqualified she is - it's what her candidacy says about America"

Don't get me started.....

Posted by: Spodeworld | September 30, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

In her interview, both McCain and Palin mentioned her executive experience by being mayor of a city. Which city would that be? Wasilla barely qualifies as being a town. There are fewer than 10,000 there and it was closer to 5,000 when she first became mayor.

Also, I agree that having McCain there was like bringing your father/grandfather to the principals office. That must be embarrassing. No only does she do minimal interviews, she must have a chaperone.

Posted by: YUTZ | September 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama based on her "executive experience" gained from serving as Mayor and then Governor. This makes her more qualified than most people who have ever served in congress including McCain. The would also includes Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.
If Republicans were so concerned about executive experience, why didn't they choose Juliani who served as Mayor of New York city?

No matter what one might think of Obama's qualifications the fact remains that he became the Democratic nominee by besting an impressive array of candidates in the primaries. In contrast, Palin was chosen only by McCain, who had never met her, based on one interview. In doing so he passed over any number of republicans who clearly over shadowed Palin.

Posted by: browneri | September 30, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

jimcummings:

"Second, given the format of the debate, I think it's foolish to underestimate Palin."

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I think you are 100% correct on that. The debate is structured to give her the maximum advantage — short answers and no follow-up questions. All she needs to do is memorize a dozen or so answers and have ready a few dodges to avoid answering any question for which she does not have a prepared answer.

Unfortunately that format has little or nothing to do with the real nitty-gritty an actual VP has to deal with — let alone what she would have to contend with if McCain were to have to hand over the reins even for a short time because of ill health or other incapacity — not that I wish him either. Imagine Palin having to take over at a moment's notice during (God forbid...) another terrorist attack on these shores, or the 21st century version of the Cuban missile crisis. Scary thought, no?

But I agree with most of the rest of your post including the conclusion that the Mccain/Palin ticket is already doomed. I sleep a little better at night since that has became pretty inescapable.

Posted by: truthtopower40 | September 30, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I have seen thousands of INDIGENT people and every single one gets care. My problem is with the IRRESPONSIBLE scum who own: cell phones, $150 sneakers, rims, ridiculous gold jewelry, and of course let’s not forget that all important necessity of a nice grill for that fabulous smile.

Somehow of course they can’t afford health insurance for them or the 13 kids. Hmmmmmm; wonder why?

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Don't you marvel at the self-righteous?
Those who judge everyone else with their omniscient moral geiger-counter?
Claiming the moral xtian high ground while grinding the unworthies underfoot?

So inispiring! So uplifting! So....loving.

Who says religion doesn't make us better members of society??

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Joe moans:
If you have nothing factual to say and can't compare the candidates real experience then don't bother.

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Any cursory investigation of their respective experience makes it obvious.

But, just watch them!

Palin sat down with Couric and revealed there was mostly dead air between those cute ears.

Obama sat down with O'Reilly and blew him away. Even that nut case O"Reilly admitted it.

I've seen denial before but you Palindrones set new standards for being blinded by love.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious to me the hyprocricy is coming from the posters who bemoan Palin's lack of experience while at the same time blind themselves to Barry's total lack of administrative experience and lightweight community organizer street credibility. The analogy of someone who just got their learners permit to drive an auto being thrust into the position of piloting a 747 is laughable. Knowing what I do about Palin she would have had the foresight to have several competent pilots aboard that plane to assist in an emergency. Which brings me to the main point I wish to make. I believe history has well shown that a reasonable intelligence, moral character and courage and allegiance to a core set of values is what makes an exceptional leader. I would prefer a "spine of steel" combined with common sense and intuition in a time of crisis when enough information and knowledge of a situation are not always readily available. Think Truman and Reagan. Policy wonks make notoriously bad leaders. Think Carter. There is something about Sara Palin and her life experience that I trust. Nothing I have heard or read of Barry Hussein Obama and his comments about his country, his associations, etc. suggest to me that he has that "spine of steel" or the core values to make tough decisions.

Posted by: jgault1 | September 30, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse


scrappyc20001 wrote
Really? Do you mean the elderly and children who make up the greatest percentage of benefactors? I bet you like to steal candy from babies as well and feel like you earned something. You and your party are a shameful mess.
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Hey scrappy, I have 17 years experience in the healthcare industry compared to your “0”. You know, kind of like McCain versus Obamoron. Of course that is not to prevent you from showing your stupidity of talking about something you know absolutely nothing about other than what some equally ignorant dumbass told you.

I have seen thousands of INDIGENT people and every single one gets care. My problem is with the IRRESPONSIBLE scum who own: cell phones, $150 sneakers, rims, ridiculous gold jewelry, and of course let’s not forget that all important necessity of a nice grill for that fabulous smile.

Somehow of course they can’t afford health insurance for them or the 13 kids. Hmmmmmm; wonder why?

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

PittyPatsBarn

Your abode? Do you actually live on Mount Olympus? Wow, that's neat.

If you have nothing factual to say and can't compare the candidates real experience then don't bother.

Enjoy the view from up there!

Posted by: JoeDBrown | September 30, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"In contrast - Obamoron has shown that he will say and do ANYTHING to get elected.

How many positions has he changed?"

You must be joking. The McCain of 2000 is so different than the McCain of 2008 in positions, that the Economist has asked where the McCain of 2000 is (they prefer him). Books will be written on McCain's radical shifts in positions; most prominent when he decided to run for the 2008 election and realized that he would have to pander to the right. So, since you seem to be so obsessed with constancy, then you should abandon McCain, since he has richly failed the test.

Posted by: Spodeworld | September 30, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

armpeg:

"Sarah Palin has no "conservative problem"."

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Unfortunately for that assertion, she does. The original article from which this whole discussion started references Kathleen Parker's remarks about Palin in the National Review. you might want to re-read the passages ied above the responses. Parker is a well-known and highly respected conservative columnist. Here is another quote: "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself." Parker's final conclusion is: "Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first."

Parker is not the only conservative columnist to have expressed deep reservations about Palin.

These are not the views of some died-in-the-wool liberal, but those of a respected conservative, printed in the premier conservative journal.

Posted by: truthtopower40 | September 30, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

B55 spits:
How many positions has he changed?

Like McCain did on torture and eavesdropping? and suspending his campaign till a deal is struck?

B55 spits:
How many people that were significant in his life has he thrown under the bus?

Like McCain ditching his first wife?

B55 spits:
How many scum bags has he associated with throughout his entire life now only to say some how he only knew them casually?


Like the Keating fellows?

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is really tanking on intrade. He is now close to 30 points behind Obama and they have Obama winning by 168 electoral votes.

They also have opened bidding again on Palin not making it to November and being replaced.

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

How is it that...

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different" but not American?
* If you grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, you're a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack, you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* If you name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* If you graduate from Harvard Law School, you are unstable.
* If you attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.


* If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich drug addicted heiress, and left your disfigured wife (whom Ross H. Petro paid her medical bills) and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system, while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible and want to tell us what to do with our children.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
IN NOVEMBER VOTE – BECAUSE YOUR VERY BEING DEPENDS ON IT

This was a email forwarded a few weeks ago (not the creator). Maybe this can help some of you McCain/Palin supporters understand why Obama is the best person for the job. Also, why do people keep comparing Obama experience to Palin, she is running for VP, he is running for President? That goes to show the Republicans do not believe in McCain, they really beleive he is not going to be able to serve a full term if elected. They are only voting for them just because they are Republicans (whether they agree with them or not). They already put Palin on the front of the ticket.So sad! I have not seen one post where Obama(PN) experience is compared to McCain(PN) nor Palin(VPN) experience is compared to Biden (VPN), as it should be. I know I am not the only one that notices this.

Posted by: Tee82 | September 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Zouk spits:
wpoat moonbat:
so you prefer the snapshot poll as opposed to the running average poll. that leads me to beleive you are either ignorant of math (a likely conclusion when talking about Libs) or you prefer to slant things that are promising for you.

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LOL. OF COURSE, I prefer TODAY's poll and not yesterday's or the day's before. This is politics, not a class in statistics. It's how people would vote TODAY, not last month.

But, as I've said, i know it's hard to swallow.

Maybe McCain can suspend his campaign again so you can rest up and start over...a year ago last June. I think those were great poll numbers for you.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

zouk claims
"OK, factless void of moonbattery, here goes:

From Pollster.com:

OH: 48 Mccain 45.1 Obama
FL: 48.1 McCain 46 Obama
NH: tied at 46.2
NV 48.1 McCain 46.3 Obama
I can give you CO and NM and PA"

You forgot Iowa. If Obama takes Kerry plus IA, NM & CO, its game over. He doesn't need OH, FL, NH* or NV.


Posted by: bsimon1 | September 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

B55 spits:
You question the virtue of a guy who spends 5 years as a POW because he won't desert his fellow captives. You are an imbecile.

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I'm still waiting for you to sing the virtues of young McCain, pre-war, since you have already slandered young Obama...

Waiting...

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

wpoat moonbat:
so you prefer the snapshot poll as opposed to the running average poll. that leads me to beleive you are either ignorant of math (a likely conclusion when talking about Libs) or you prefer to slant things that are promising for you.

fine with me. the overall point is that even if I use the snapshot method, there is no groundswell of support for THE ONE where it counts. when voters get in the booth and it is no longer hypothetical, they will do the RIGHT thing,as in not the wrong thing as in not the Left thing.

Arguing day-to-day polls with a committed moonbat is beyond my pay grade -so to speak.

even your own numbers has McCain winning in OH, FL and NV, that's the "where it counts" part. Maybe you want to point out that the messiah is ahead in DC and NY. It will make you feel better.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 30, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112 wrote
oh, PLEASE, sing me the virtues of young McCain...please...we are waiting with baited breath...
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You question the virtue of a guy who spends 5 years as a POW because he won't desert his fellow captives. You are an imbecile.

Apaprently the only way you're going to understand the term virtue is to look it up in Webster’s and that's only if someone who wasn't stupefied by the public school system reads and explains it to you.

In contrast - Obamoron has shown that he will say and do ANYTHING to get elected.

How many positions has he changed? How many people that were significant in his life has he thrown under the bus? How many scum bags has he associated with throughout his entire life now only to say some how he only knew them casually?

The answers respectively are: virtually all of them, virtually all of them, and virtually all of them.

And mindless trolls like you just keep swallowing it whole as you wash it down with kool aid.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Just one "Deer in the headlights moment" by Palin and it will be over. She seems to be prone to panic when cornered as we saw in her interviews and just tries to talk her way out of it making no sense much of the time. As far as how high the bar is. For Palin it is even higher. She is already being viewed by most any thinking person to be unqualified. She has more to prove then any of the four candidates. She needs to be great or It will confirm what most people already thing. Remember, Mccain himself has made so many over the top claims of her they are hard to live up to. Mccain said she is the most knowledge;e person on energy in the U.S. How does she live up to that? Is Mccain just a liar?

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I am an Obama/Biden supporter, but I think many of us are overlooking a few things about Thursday's debate.

The first is that the McCaniacs are setting the bar so low for Sarah Palin that if she simply shows up on the stage breathing they will claim she won the debate. This worked effectively or W, and will work even more effecitively for the vacuous Palin.

Second, given the format of the debate, I think it's foolish to underestimate Palin. She proved at the convention that when prepared she could do well. Unless the debate monitor holds her to the rules (which, if the past is any guide, is unlikely), Palin will attack Obama from the start in an effort to get Biden on the defensive.

Palin will never address a single question being asked of her. Instead, she will immediately bridge to two minutes worth of attack talking points. Even someone as unprepared as Slick Sarah should be able to pull that off. In doing so she'll win praise from the dealine and depth challenged chattering class for her agressivness and for being "that pitbull we saw in St. Paul" regardless of the lack of substance in her answers. Biden, of course, will be ignored.

Having said that, I don't think it will matter a bit. There's not a single thing Palin can do or say (short of removing herself gracefully from the ticket) that will pull the McCain campaign out of the death spirial it entered two weeks ago.

Posted by: jimcummings | September 30, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Bcamp55 -- Duke is not an Ivy League school.

Posted by: jimcummings | September 30, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

B55 spits:
We (you mean conservatives) create our realities not anything outside ourselves. But thanks for the laugh; now all I need to do is get up off the floor.

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And yet you complain and complain and complain how the media controls the world and the liberal perverts are controlling your children...

Your hypocritical and contradictory rants speak for themselves.

You just like to complain, blame, ridicule others and play the victim...that is what you do here.

Nothing creative at all...just destructive negativity.

Plain for all to see.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

BCamp55 wrote:

"...I don’t want socialized medicine because it is further down the slippery slope we already give every scum bag in the country who is too lazy to work...
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Really? Do you mean the elderly and children who make up the greatest percentage of benefactors? I bet you like to steal candy from babies as well and feel like you earned something. You and your party are a shameful mess.

Posted by: scrappyc20001 | September 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that McCain can't think for himself. He couldn't even come up with his own platform, instead adopting his opponent's platform for change. And to focus on Obama's inexperience and then picking Palin???

Posted by: nr18313attnet | September 30, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Joe D Brown:

please re-read my post.

I NEVER said you were stupid.

There is a HUGE difference between ignorant and stupid.

Perhaps you could refer to a dictionary for help there.

Ignorant merely means lacking in facts.

Pitiful that you feel forced to attack my character & abode AND to feign being the VICTIM of an attack from me.

When did the "conservatives" become so judgmental and snarky without cause?

Perhaps because the elements from "The Art of War" have trickled down from Rove.

Posted by: PittyPatsBarn | September 30, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Spodeworld

Your post is based on your perceptions of the personal attributes of people you don't know. Where are the facts comparing their actual records and accomplishments? Obama having lived in Indonesia when he was ten has no more validity as foreign policy experience then Palin being able to see Russia from Alaska. Palin has been a small business woman, a mayor and a governor. Obama and Biden have done what?

That's the kind of factual comparison i am talking about. Lots of people have gone to college and law school and can make a good speech. that doesn't qualify them to be any thing let alone president.

How about this. Obama and Biden are both lawyers. Can someone tell me about the two most important cases they each handled and argued before a judge and jury? How about their scholarly works? No? Doesn't that bother anyone in light of their singular lack of other real accomplishments?

Talk is cheap.

Posted by: JoeDBrown | September 30, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

wpost4112 wrote
Then stop playing the victim. We create our realities not anything outside ourselves.

Come on your banal tripe is truly amazing– there is no way a liberal makes THAT comment.

The party that buys votes with welfare checks, “free”: food, health care, housing etc, etc, etc, gives union paybacks for the millions they “contribute” ………………actually has the nerve to espouse self reliance; give me a break.

I don’t want socialized medicine because it is further down the slippery slope we already give every scum bag in the country who is too lazy to work.

Trust me; the next thing coming from someone exactly like you will be “since some guy on Wall Street has a Porsche, how fair is it that sweet little Willameena and her 13 children have to drive up to the welfare office in a paltry Navigator”?

We (you mean conservatives) create our realities not anything outside ourselves. But thanks for the laugh; now all I need to do is get up off the floor.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"The Palin defenders who are posting here are forgetting on thing. This article is about CONSERVATIVES who question her qualifications as VP not the liberal press."

And CONSERVATIVES are coming out in her defense at least on this message board the way they never come out in defense of McCain.

Palin would be a lousy president and is in way over her head, but her job was to energize the base. That is why McCain picked her and in that sense, it is a successful pick.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 30, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama/Biden supporter, but I think many of us are overlooking a few things about Thursday's debate.

The first is that the McCaniacs are setting the bar so low for Sarah Palin that if she simply shows up on the stage breathing they will claim she won the debate. This worked effectively or W, and will work even more effecitively for the vacuous Palin.

Second, given the format of the debate, I think it's foolish to underestimate Palin. She proved at the convention that when prepared she could do well. Unless the debate monitor holds her to the rules (which, if the past is any guide, is unlikely), Palin will attack Obama from the start in an effort to get Biden on the defensive.

Palin will never address a single question being asked of her. Instead, she will immediately bridge to two minutes worth of attack talking points. Even someone as unprepared as Slick Sarah should be able to pull that off. In doing so she'll win praise from the dealine and depth challenged chattering class for her agressivness and for being "that pitbull we saw in St. Paul" regardless of the lack of substance in her answers. Biden, of course, will be ignored.

Having said that, I don't think it will matter a bit. There's not a single thing Palin can do or say (short of removing herself gracefully from the ticket) that will pull the McCain campaign out of the death spirial it entered two weeks ago.

Posted by: jimcummings | September 30, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

popasmoke wroter:
Mccain says in Fox today he may suspend his campaign again. Is this guy nuts or what?
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LOL!
He gets loonier by the day. He never suspended his campaign the first time. He should just permanently suspend his campaign and spare us his dramatics so we can actually get something done.

This is someone you can trust?

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"The only issue of importance concerning Sarah Palin is that John McCain exercised appallingly poor judgment in selecting her for his ticket.

She is patently unqualified for the job of vice president. What is most disturbing is that neither Palin nor McCain seem to have grasped this simple fact. The smug self-satisfaction that oozes from both of them is repellant and dangerous."

I don't think either of them actually think Palin is qualified for the job. I don't believe Palin actually thinks that the Russia proximity means a damn thing.

And McCain, I think its pretty evident how low of an opinion he has of her.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 30, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The Palin defenders who are posting here are forgetting on thing. This article is about CONSERVATIVES who question her qualifications as VP not the liberal press.

Posted by: browneri | September 30, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Dems are sweating because of Palin? Are you kidding? She is hilarious! Every dem I know thinks she is the best thing to happen to the Republican Party for years. She is working harder to get the democrats into the White House than Obama and Biden put together. Hell, I'm half considering voting McCain/Palin just to get more of these hilarious Palinisms. It is really unfortunate that this comical character is appearing on the world stage rather than a Shakespearian stage, especially as she would be, as they say, a heartbeat from the Presidency. O brave new world, That has such people in't!

Posted by: spanielmcnugget | September 30, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Bcamp 55 spits out:
Obama has such a great history of character in his upbringing and formative years he would never stoop to being bought...........unless of course he thought it would benefit him.

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oh, PLEASE, sing me the virtues of young McCain...please...we are waiting with baited breath...

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Mccain says in Fox today he may suspend his campaign again. Is this guy nuts or what?

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

"Can John McCain seize the moment and transcend the campaign?"

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In a word, no. He hes clearly already failed to do so. He TWICE claimed the credit for the bailout bill's passing — before it failed. Kind of reminds one of how he released an ad claiming that he had won the debate with Obama before the debate even took place — in fact while he was still saying that he wasn't going to show up for the debate, before he had second thoughts on that as on so many other things.

The rest of the screed you copied and pasted is not worth taking the time to respond to.

Posted by: truthtopower40 | September 30, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

WATCH McCain Strategist: Debate Moderator Should Go Easy On Palin
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/mccain-camp-working-on-pa_n_130206.html

Posted by: xac00fm | September 30, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

From Pollster.com:

ZOUK:
OH: 48 Mccain 45.1 Obama

POLSTER, today's poll:
OH: 48 Mccain 47 Obama
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ZOUK:
NH: 48 Mccain 45.1 Obama

POLSTER, today's poll:
NH: 44 Mccain 48 Obama
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ZOUK:
FL: 48 Mccain 45.1 Obama

POLSTER, today's poll:
FL: 47 Mccain 47 Obama
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ZOUK:
NV: 48 Mccain 45.1 Obama

POLSTER, today's poll:
NV: 49 Mccain 47 Obama


Like I said, I know it's tough to swallow.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain's desperate grappling for something to grab onto is getting sillier by the minute, isn't it? I'd laugh if it weren't such a tragedy to see McCain keep sinking and sinking.

And the excuses from the conservative talking heads on Palin is just mind-boggling. Could they possibly make Palin look even weaker. “She’s losing her self-confidence.” “She’s over prepared.” “She needs someone around her who knows her.” SHE’S A WOMAN, NOT A LITTLE GIRL ON THE PLAYGROUND!

This is embarrassing. We don’t need the first woman to rise to this level to be carried and ultimately be a catastrophic failure; it hurts ALL women.

What the heck are these Palin apologists thinking? They’re just multiplying people's doubt. How WEAK is she? Cripes! Can't she even manage the words coming out of her mouth?

As if McCain wasn’t making a fool of himself, all by himself, he’s got this ridiculous, pathetic woman needing so much deference, group therapy, and pity.

This is the stupidest reality show I've ever seen, because the entire premise of the show isn't plausable - that McCain/Palin expect to lead the free world. No one would buy that story line. It's too preposterous!

Posted by: TeriB | September 30, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"I posted the following at 9:16 AM EST today. In it I challenged any liberal out their to give me definite specific reasons why Palin's limited experience was not better than Obama's non-experience and Biden's 36 years of flummery."

Listen to and watch them! What I have noticed is that Obama is a thinker who listens to the different sides of an argument, processes them mentally, weighs them, comes to a conclusion and then prescribes a course of action based on analysis. It is the opposite of the govern from the hip, "I don't do nuance," nonsense that we have been victims of for the past 8 years. Plus, I like that he has worked on legislation aimed at preventing WMD from getting into the hands of terrorists, which I think is probably one of the most serious security issues we face. He has lived abroad, and while many conservatives don't understand the value of that, I think that is a real plus given the way in which everything we do impacts just about everyone on the planet. Palin on the other hand appears vacuous and is being hidden for a reason: she knows little of the world in which she lives. She gives pat replies to serious questions. I don't see an intellectual process at work when she talks. I practically see her as McCain's minor bird. Plus, she seems as if she has been a shut-in. I don't think we can tolerate another global leader who exhibits the characteristic conservative narrow-mindedness and lack of interest about the world around him or her. If that doesn't frighten you, then I am not sure what it takes. Of course, you could simple respond "Obama scares me!" but that wouldn't advance your argument. It would be reflexive. I am not sure why some people are so obsessed with finding a leader who is just like one of us. It should scare you if that is the case. I prefer someone who is much more capable than most of us. I don't see that in Palin, but I do in Obama. And, if executive experience is so key, then the guy running the candy shop down the block for the last 20 years should be on the short list to replace Palin.

Posted by: Spodeworld | September 30, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok republicians it doesn't matter if your candidate was smart enough to win, we as a society lose each time they do. One reason to vote for Obama is that Mc Cain continues to lie, he voted against small business which increase their taxes by%66 in the eighties. He has also voted against the GI Bill,and funds to equip the men & women of the armed forces with equipment to keep them save. So he just want's to praise the military with lip service but not honor them with the necessities.

Posted by: sdyser | September 30, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

JRM2

Your post has a more sensible tenor then most and i thank you. However it is short on facts. Your description of the ideal candidate can fit a lot of people. You must surely realize that your criteria can easily be attached to almost anyone by slick marketing and spin. Especially when the candidate has hundreds of millions to spend. That's why the record and facts are so important. I've learned to evaluate people on what they do and not what they say. In other words talk is cheap. I would still like to see an honest comparison of experience and accomplishments.

based on your post you might have some future as acandidate.

Posted by: JoeDBrown | September 30, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Knowing that Clinton invented renting out the Lincoln bedroom and Gore made a killing from the Chinese; is that the "skills" you are looking for from Obama?

I know the smarmy stuff is what liberals are all about but when Rezko starts spilling his guts as indicated in the Chicago Tribune on Sunday, will that be a plus in the minds of libs or a negative.

I am sure that since Obama has known Rezko his entire political life and that Rezko got convicted for influence peddling there is absolutely no way Obama was ever "influenced" by Rezko. That sweetheart real estate deal was strictly on the up and up.

Obama has such a great history of character in his upbringing and formative years he would never stoop to being bought...........unless of course he thought it would benefit him.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Zouks spits:

OK, factless void of moonbattery, here goes:

From Pollster.com:....

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Read it and weep...


http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2008/09/latest-statebystate-general-el-65.html#more

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

OK, factless void of moonbattery, here goes:

From Pollster.com:

OH: 48 Mccain 45.1 Obama
FL: 48.1 McCain 46 Obama
NH: tied at 46.2
NV 48.1 McCain 46.3 Obama
I can give you CO and NM and PA

Result - THE ONE goes back to the back bench of the Senate where he is not even qualified to fetch hillaries lunch.

now, please go back to your senseless insults and silly chanting. the adults have a country to run.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 30, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

What does it do to raise a kid with brains and character if all they encounter is the trash produced by the media wasteland that liberals thrive in; i.e. violence, porn, etc, etc, etc......

I want a kid who can make important decisions for him/herself.

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Then stop playing the victim. We create our realities not anything outside ourselves.

I find it fascinating that those like you who point to the media or other sources as coarsening our life and culture have no problem addressing others as lemmings or leftards...I guess it is ok if YOU coarsen this dialogue and make personal attacks but no one else.

Best take that telephone pole out of your own eye first.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has no "conservative problem". Sarah's "problem" is with the liberal Democratic Party--controlled MSM that's trying to slime her character and reputation in every cheap shot devious and sleazy way they can in order to help get the racist white--hating and America--hating Barack Obama elected. Sarah Palin will make an exellent VP when she's sworn in in 2009.

Posted by: armpeg | September 30, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

JoeDBrown:
What you don't seem to understand is that there is more to a candidate being qualified than a position they have held.

For president, I want an even hand, someone who is intelligent and has national experience. I want someone with a world view who can articulate their ideas clearly and show good judgement and yes, move people not only on an intellectual basis, but also an emotional basis.

The world is not black and white, there are shades of grey that need to be addressed.

Posted by: JRM2 | September 30, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Zouk spouted:
Only one problem, the polls still say that Mccain is ahead where it counts. the only favorable news that loony Libs have is that Va is close. this is the basket of eggs for the Libs. If they can't pull this off, they lose because the thinking states of OH and FL won't fall for THE ONE's hype. and with NH heading for Mccain, Obama can't get the EC votes.

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LOL. What poll says McCain is ahead in what area that counts??

Ohio, Florida and New Hampshire are all statistically tied. That's very bad news for McCain who should be ahead in all 3 states at this stage of the game.

Tough to swallow I know.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

zouk writes
"Only one problem, the polls still say that Mccain is ahead where it counts."

Where would that be? I'm interested in citations, if you got 'em.

Posted by: bsimon1 | September 30, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

PittyPatsBarn

Thanks. Maybe I am stupid but I am not arrogant or fanatical in my views. I try to base my views on facts and reason rather then my emotions and personal prejudices. Being stupid I still didn't see any reason in your post to vote for Obama and Biden. I am not defending McCain and Palin. I am just looking at the record. Objectively Palin is more qualified to be president, based on their records then Obama. If we are just electing teleprompter readers perhaps we could skip elections and their costs and just hire some actors to play president and vice president.

Perhaps if you would deign to come down from Mount Olympus you could explain to us ignorant peasants Obama's foreign policy and executive experience and contrast it to Palin's. Maybe you could tell us where Joe has been for the last 36 years and what he has run in that time besides his mouth. Thank you your Majesty!

Humbly yours,
JoeDBrown

Posted by: JoeDBrown | September 30, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Keep running with the "Repubs are dumb" theme. It has worked so many times in the past. Reagan was so stupid he won by the biggest margin ever. bush was such a moron he beat those geniuses Gore and Kerry.

speaking of trying the same losing effort over and over, are you moonbats ready to give up on tax hikes and socialized medicine yet or will you cling to that like we cling to guns and religion?

I am happy that you have gotten some good news this week - that the economy is tanking. too bad losing the war didn't work out for you. Only one problem - the messiah is clueless and voting PRESENT again. the speaker is demonstrating why her ratings are below 10%. Harry Reid has not been seen, hiding under a bed somewhere, waiting to change his diapers.

Only one problem, the polls still say that Mccain is ahead where it counts. the only favorable news that loony Libs have is that Va is close. this is the basket of eggs for the Libs. If they can't pull this off, they lose because the thinking states of OH and FL won't fall for THE ONE's hype. and with NH heading for Mccain, Obama can't get the EC votes.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"...produced by the media wasteland that liberals thrive in; i.e. violence, porn, etc, etc, etc......"
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While the Repugs produce horrific violence in real life.

Posted by: JRM2 | September 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

so wapost moonbat - are you saying she is too much like your messiah to be acceptable, what with the spending of money, the earmarks, the taking credit for others' work?

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Nope. Just clearing up the fiction writing.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

wpopst4112 wrote
LOL... then why are you belly-aching about the Media? If you have the TV off? How is it damaging your children if they aren't exposed to it??
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Because unlike the self-centered "it’s all about me and mine leftard" mentality.......I look at the future as a whole.

What does it do to raise a kid with brains and character if all they encounter is the trash produced by the media wasteland that liberals thrive in; i.e. violence, porn, etc, etc, etc......

I want a kid who can make important decisions for him/herself.

I have an older son now in college. He was offered scholarships to virtually Ivy League schools. From all the offers, we visited Columbia, Duke, and Cornell (his choices, not mine). He spent several days on each campus. After returning home all he could talk about was the Chomsky like brainwashing that was evident in the other kids and the indoctrination that had already begun by the "scholars" that were supposed to shape his life via "education".

Where are your kids academically and socially?

Go ahead, let the media shape the sorry life your children will lead. After all it sure is easier to turn on that TV and kick back than actually have a meaningful conversation with your children…assuming they survived the urge to abort them so prevalent among you libs.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

joebewildered asks of zouk
"Do you have any thoughts in your head that were not placed there by Rush, hannity, et al.?"

He just posted the regurgitated of victor david hanson as well. One must give credit where credit is due.

Posted by: bsimon1 | September 30, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"Will you do the same about MSNBC on attacks against McCain?"
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The distinction is that FOX doesn't seem to have a problem with flat out lying, making racial innuendos. FOX is an opinion/entertainment show for the ill of mind.

MSNBC, though clearly slanted to the left basically calls out McCain on his multiple, not very well thought out lies and political stunts.

There is a reason MSNBC is slanted to the left, it's because the Republican policies and actions of the last 8 years have left this country in a shambles on many fronts.
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As an independent, I have to say that I find FOX and MSNBC equally repugnant.
Repugnant because they distort journalism and practice extreme viewpoint, regardless of objective truth or even basic fairness.

But who in their right mind trusts any media source these days? Everyone must dig and dig deeper. There are good journalists out there but you have to pick and choose.

The media is a marketplace where profit is king/queen. That is today's reality.

If anything, it forces us to be more skeptical and more pro active in gathering information. That's a good thing.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey zootdrummer your post is still up. I guess the grassy knoll fears you have are unfounded...LOL

I think Gov. Palin is a fine Gov. I worry that I am going to dragged out of my home in the middle of the night to some reprogramming center because my nativity scene was not put up on the government approved date as set by Gov. Palin. I also worry that she will create roving bands of Christians who will cleanses America of those who do not share their (i.e. Gov. Palin’s) religious beliefs.

But of course God speaks to Gov. Palin directly and she knows what God wants her to do for American. Whether she can rub two brain cells together doesn’t concern me. She wants to make America an ersatz religious state substituting Christianity for the Taliban.

Posted by: jolu32339 | September 30, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Can John McCain seize the moment and transcend the campaign? "

He sure did yesterday. He announced successfully negotiating the passage of the Paulson bailout plan. Later in the afternoon, he transcendentally seized again, blaming Obama for the bill's failure. I can't wait for his next position on the issue.

Posted by: bsimon1 | September 30, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

king-of-zouk

Do you have any thoughts in your head that were not placed there by Rush, hannity, et al.?

Posted by: JoeBewildered | September 30, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

What is absolutely frightening and what many voters don't seem to accept or realise is that Palin could be the president within a very short period with McCain's health IF he should win.

How can someone with such weird beliefs, extreme right judgements and such little real experience be trusted with such power but the McCain does not know that Spain and Pakistan are both allies of the US!

Posted by: jaybs1 | September 30, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

so wapost moonbat - are you saying she is too much like your messiah to be acceptable, what with the spending of money, the earmarks, the taking credit for others' work?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 30, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse


Responding to JoeDBrown's "challenge".

I registered just to respond to you.

Smart people don't respond to silly challenges like yours, unless they feel sorry for you or feel that you are educable. Thus, no response to your earlier post.

I feel sorry for you, so here goes...

You are a low-information voter who CHOOSES to buy-into bogus and discredited Republican talking points.

Smart people don't argue or debate low-information voters &/or bogus-information voters. You are a waste of our time.

We prefer to focus on those people who genuinely are "open" to changing their minds & opinions based on the facts.

You choose to be ignorant and dodge admitting this ignorance by challenging others to prove you wrong.

It would be like debating with a two-year old.

You can't because they use "toddler logic".

As do you.

Do yourself a favor, go park yourself on discussion boards that parrot your thoughts or regurgitated talking points.

These discussion threads and their participants will be happy to have you & they will respond to you.

Or you could choose to be open to reality and decide to educate yourself.

Posted by: PittyPatsBarn | September 30, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Fiction: She ran a successful fishing business before leaving that to serve on her city council.

Fact:The fishing business belonged to her husband's family. She did not run it.


Fiction: She was a city mayor for 10 years

Fact: She was mayor of Wasilla (population 5,740), for 8 years. She raised the cost of running this small town from $3.9 million a year in 1996 to $5.8 million by 2002 and instituted a sales tax to pay for an ice arena (which still loses money and has put the town in debt), while attacking her predecessor for instituting a sales tax to create a police department (and for having a "non-Christian" surname, Stein).

The city's long-term debt grew from about $1 million to $25 million through indebtedness of $15 million for the sports complex, $5.5 million for street projects, and $3 million for water improvement projects.

Palin also joined with nearby communities in jointly hiring the Anchorage-based lobbying firm of Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh to lobby for federal funds. The firm secured nearly $8 million in earmarked funds for the Wasilla city government, and another $19 million for other public and private entities in the Wasilla valley area. Earmarks included $15 million for a rail project linking Wasilla and the ski resort community of Girdwood.


Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and McCain has not proven he is not crazy, and Palin has yet to prove she is any smarter than a bag of hammers.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | September 30, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy to take on JoeDBrown's challenge: "I challenged any liberal out their [sic] to give me definite specific reasons why Palin's limited experience was not better than Obama's non-experience and Biden's 36 years of flummery."

I certainly qualify as a liberal; in my view, in a proper two-party system, Obama would be the conservative candidate. The specific reasons for the superiority of Obama/Biden to McCain/Palin have little to do with personality or media presentation; they have to do with substantive issues.

1. Iraq: Obama/Biden correctly see Iraq as a tragic mistake that lessened the US's reputation and power, increased terrorist activity, and weakened US security. McCain/Palin continue with discredited rationales for the war and engage in that most cynical of manipulations, arguing that we must continue the war "or else our soldiers died in vain." No, our soldiers died in vain because of stupid political decisions by a corrupt administration.

2. Supreme Court: there's little doubt about the difference between the two slates as to likely Supreme Court appointments. It comes down to this: do you want appointments made by a candidate who is in bed with the radical right, or not? To me, there can't be a much clearer choice.

3. Media access and availability: I think politicians should be accessible to the press. Candidates should be willing to go through the acid bath. The supporters of Palin are calling the scrutiny she receives "unfair" and refer to the "liberal media" that is biased towards Obama. I suspect that those same people thought that the publicity given to Jeremiah Wright was entirely appropriate. Obama has shown his toughness. I've seen quite the opposite from Palin.

4. The "experience" question is pretty much a non-issue. The current occupant of the White House had prior executive experience. The US once elected a little-known Illinois politician with no executive experience and who hadn't even won when he ran for Senate; history considers that President, Abraham Lincoln, as one of our greatest.

Didn't even need to get into the economy, support for science, tax policy, environmental issues, and numerous other points of difference.

You are free to disagree, Joe. But don't say that your challenge has gone unaddressed.

Posted by: aweill | September 30, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The only issue of importance concerning Sarah Palin is that John McCain exercised appallingly poor judgment in selecting her for his ticket.

She is patently unqualified for the job of vice president. What is most disturbing is that neither Palin nor McCain seem to have grasped this simple fact. The smug self-satisfaction that oozes from both of them is repellant and dangerous.

The fundamentally dishonest McCain cannot look Obama in the eye. And the coward McCain cannot find a way to dismiss Palin from the ticket.

The Republicans are embarrassing the United States on the world stage.

Posted by: dee5 | September 30, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think the vast majority of Republicans will approve of Palin regardless of her performance in the debate or in interviews because they like her right wing ideological opinions. Most Republicans consider being a right-wing ideologue as president or vice-president is more important than being knowledgable, informed, competent or qualified for high national office. Otherwise they would be opposed to her candidacy. However, Republican presidential nominees in the past have chosen individuals who widely considered to be unqualified to potentially become president, such as Agnew and Quayle. Yet Nixon and Bush I won their elections anyway.

In any event, Sarah Palin may well surprise many people in her debate with Joe Biden. Most pundits and perhaps a majority of independents are more impressed with how a candidate performs on television than their actual qualifications for high office, with their positions on issues being a distant third in importance to them in evaluating candidates. This is after all the television-computer age, where visual impressions and sound bites are of primary importance to most individuals, including in the media.

Palin's speech at the GOP convention was a highly artifical event. There are hundreds of thousands of persons who have never held political office, who could be taken off the streets, who have a commanding presence and personal charisma. Give them a well-written speech and they would impress most pundits and people.

Many people ignore the reality the so-called debates are hardly actual debates, closer in fact to an interview with a reporter than the classic Lincoln-Douglass debates one hundred and fifty years ago. The questions asked by the reporter are often so general, as were many of those by Jim Lehrer recently, a candidate, even a person who is not well informed or competent, could memorize enough scripted replies and practice certain lines in anticipation of likely asked questions, to come across on television as a reasonably competent candidate.

There is a significant possibility Sarah Palin will, given these peculiar circumstances, give the appearances of a competent or somewhat competent performance in the debate. Doing so will largely silence those in the media who have been criticizing what have been widely perceived to be her lack of qualifications to be vice-president or president.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | September 30, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Bcamp55: Hopefully your republican friends won't repossess your trailer after they are done gutting our economy.

Posted by: JRM2 | September 30, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

JoeDBrown:

Here is why I support Obama:

In listening to Obama during the primary and now general election, Obama has proven (to me anyway) that he sees and understands the big picture of what America's current standing in the world is, how we got here, what direction we are heading, and what course corrections are needed.

He has identified the partisan gridlock that prevents our federal government from accomplishing anything meaningful as the fundamental problem that must be overcome before problems can be solved. To that end, he has remained steadfast in his promise to run a civil campaign, even if his more partisan supporters can not stick to that pledge.

He demonstrated great organizational and managerial skill in beating the most well known and established political machine in the Democratic Party (no small feat).

Lastly, he uses the word "we" far more than the word "I". All other candidates say what "I" am going to do. Framing things from a "we" standpoint indicates to me that he knows turning the country around can not be accomplished by one individual, it will require all of us.

So, I guess my reasons for supporting Obama are less based on experience, but more on character and philosophy.

I judge a candidate by his/her own words and how he/she speaks them. Obama clearly articulates and supports his positions. Palin and McCain speak in so much sound-bite giberish. If you want to know why many of us support Obama, you should try listening to him without the right-wing AM radio filter.

I do not worship Obama as the right-wingers would like to imply, I simply recognize him as the last, best, longshot hope for curing our federal government from the cranial-rectal impaction that it currently suffers from.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | September 30, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

It’s almost inevitable that Palin will exceed the ridiculously low expectations. She proved to be a very effective debater in her run for governor two years ago.

From the L.A. Times:

“Have Palin's Democratic opponents overplayed their hand in portraying the 44-year-old mother of five so derisively in recent days?

“Was Steve Schmidt's puzzlingly strong attack on the New York Times last week really a trap, an intentional bid to call even more attention to negative coverage of Palin to lower expectations?

“The upcoming downside for the Obama-Biden campaign is that its supporters became so flustered over Palin's surprisingly explosive popularity coming out of the GOP convention. They have so successfully mocked, derided and lowered expectations for Palin in Thursday night's VP debate that if she doesn't drool or speak in tongues, many millions still open to persuasion will be impressed.

“Al Gore's campaign made the exact same mistake going into the 2000 debates. So all Texas Gov. George W. Bush had to do was not lose.

“In that sense, Democrats may have played right into a PR cul-de-sac. Biden, for instance, described Palin as merely better-looking than him. A far better communications strategy would have been to insincerely portray Palin with superlatives as a superwoman, making it harder, not easier, for her to impress. Too late now.”

Posted by: harlemboy | September 30, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"Will you do the same about MSNBC on attacks against McCain?"
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The distinction is that FOX doesn't seem to have a problem with flat out lying, making racial innuendos. FOX is an opinion/entertainment show for the ill of mind.

MSNBC, though clearly slanted to the left basically calls out McCain on his multiple, not very well thought out lies and political stunts.

There is a reason MSNBC is slanted to the left, it's because the Republican policies and actions of the last 8 years have left this country in a shambles on many fronts.

Posted by: JRM2 | September 30, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I think Ms. Palin and her handlers have done a remarkable job in making her look less than worthy. In a debate setting, I look for her to launch one-line zingers that do not need facts to back them up because they rely on outrage or indignance. And I do think she has the indignant, condescending posture perfected. In fact, didn't she use it on McCain when she corrected him in the Katie Couric interview that it was indeed a voter that asked the question about invading Pakistan and not a "gotcha" journalist?

Debate forecast: Mediocre performance that is hailed as a winner just because she is able to stand at the podium until the end.

Posted by: lindaj4 | September 30, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

wpost4112:

I apologize. I actually meant to agree with you, I went to look for who posted what you quoted and I accidentally copied your name instead. =)

Posted by: CaliforniaMonkey | September 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Don't hold your breath JoeDBrown.

You are asking people who think facts are anything said by Katie "look at my nails" Couric. The same simplistic, biased tripe the 60's wannabes will later regurgitate at the local Starbucks while pissing and moaning about $3/gallon gas as they sip on their $50/gallon coffee.

Morons - the entire lot of them.

What do you truly expect from a party made up of convicts, welfare leeches, Hollywood air heads, union "I can't keep a job myself" members, and the ignorant youth of this country.

How else do you explain the affinity for an inexperienced, racist, bottom dweller like Obama.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

To maxfli68:

You tell your "orthodox Jewish friends" to consult the Torah and the Talmud at least half as often as their accounts receivable ledger. Ask them gently is it because Obama is "schwartzer" they won't vote for him? And I'm suggesting this as a Jew myself.

Both Christians and Jews have lost their minds on the altar of the Golden Calf (or Wall Street?). Both groups practice religiosity instead of spirituality.

Both groups make this country most religious of all developed countries in terms of church/temple attendance and fundraising and the least religious in terms of deeds.

What business are you in, Reverend?

Posted by: VMR1 | September 30, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

A Defining Moment [Victor Davis Hanson]


The stage is set for someone to play Washington, Lincoln, or Churchill. An entire generation of leadership is failing, as the world watches aghast.

Greedy Wall Street hot shots are worse than discredited.

Rep. Nancy Pelosi at the hour of national crisis proved why she may well be the worst House Speaker in the history of the Congress.

The more Sen. Dodd and Rep. Frank shout and demagogue in front of the cameras, the more desperate we know they are to talk their way out of their own past reckless and unprincipled conduct.

Lame duck President Bush is spent, tired and knows only that he will blamed for something he tried to prevent.

Sec. Paulson thought he could bark out orders at Treasury and expect underlings to snap to attention as they did once for him as Goldman Sachs. And when they didn't, in vain he went to one knee — arrogance to fawning in a matter of hours.

The utterly corrupt Left-wing members of the House who green-lighted the thievery at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that started the panic will be lucky if they are not targets of a special prosecutor.

Free-market Republican House members gave high-minded speeches and then panicked in the face of populist outrage just when the country needed their calm, hand-in-glove with Democratic House ideologues — the one claiming we are getting socialism, the other robber-baron capitalism.They are as captive to public outrage over the bailout now as they soon will be to the next phase of outrage over shattered retirement accounts.

Barack Obama is again voting present, clueless while trying to act cool, waiting for calls, and issuing hourly contradictory statements adjusted to perceived CNN punditry and Drudge headlines.

Somewhere, somehow the American people need a steady voice of experience to rise above politics, stop the bickering, calm the country, get the proper guarantees passed, promise the needed reform — and so lead and inspire.

Can John McCain seize the moment and transcend the campaign?


Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 30, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Just look at this thread. Look at how many people have shown up in Palin's defense. Compare that to, let's say, the thread last week on McCain's attempt to cancel the debate.

There's no question that Palin gets people excited.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 30, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

If Palin is just "supposed to be Palin" now, why do we have that video of McSpain blatantly shushing her from answering when a reporter posed her a question?

Sounds like the fella who chose her, doesn't trust her to open her mouth. How sexist is that -- to make a "SHHH!" sign at her!

So she is going down to his Sedona ranch to commune with nature and prepare for her debate. She can sit by the side of the famous stream and listen to it babble. It will be good practice for what we can expect from her during the debate.

Posted by: laboo | September 30, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Some conservatives are finally getting that what looks great to them isn't necessarily the best thing for McCain or for their party's chances this November. Palin is seen by a majority of voters as an inexperienced far-Right fringe politician - catnip for conservatives but scary to swing voters and moderates.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | September 30, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

JoeDBrown:

Ok, so other than being a war hero, what are John McCain's accomplishments? Other than getting away with his role in our previous financial crisis (Keating 5 anyone?) and assisting his current economic advisor (former senator) Phil Gramm dismantle the banking regulations, contributing to our current financial crisis, what has McCain done in his 26 years? More importantly, what has he done in the last 8? Other than aid and abet GWB's lying us into a war which has made us LESS safe?

Palin is still spewing the LIE that Iraq attacked us on 9/11, which should automatically disqualify her from any form of national office.

Posted by: CaliforniaMonkey | September 30, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

JoeDBrown:

Specifics? How about, for starters, understanding that being able to "see" the hinterlands of far eastern Russia does not actually count as "foreign policy experience"???? Or how about having at least a single example of John McCain's supposed history of "banking reform" at your fingertips before you go off bragging to Katie Couric, queen of the softball interview, about that "history"? How about having an inkling of an idea about "what does the vice president do all day, anyway"??? How about being so minimally competent that you don't have to be sequestered from the media?

That's just for starters.

Posted by: pcpatterson | September 30, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

She ran a successful fishing business before leaving that to serve on her city council. She was a city mayor for 10 years and then the governor of Alaska.

While governor, she managed 17,000 personnel and was responsible for a $9 billion budget. She was commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard. She planned, promoted and successfully pushed through a project that represented the largest natural-gas line project ever approved in this country.

She has shown courage in standing up to senior politicians of both sides, lobbyists and big corporations.


already more accomplishments than those Libs combined.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 30, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Palin is McCain's version of Harriet Miers, a seemingly good person who simply was unqualified for the job. Miers was ill-prepared for her meetings with the Senators of both parties and lacked the base level experience in and understand of constitutional law necessary for a Supreme Court Justice. Her own party recognized that she clearly was unqualified for the position and quietly urged Bush to reconsider her nomination. Bush and the party eventually paved the way for her (relatively) graceful exit and replaced her with Alito.

Unfortunately, more is at stake here, and the political ramifications pretty much preclude a graceful exit for Palin, but it seems pretty clear that, like Miers, she just isn't qualified for the job, no matter how much she crams between now and the election.

It isn't an indictment on Palin's character. It's just a question of whether she has the right background for the job and is ready for a position of such weight, and so far, it appears that the answer is no.

Posted by: lee11 | September 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? You are quoting the NATIONAL ENQUIRER? Wow let the Liberals run the media so I can just use the Internet to find info. I post one conservative comment and this "open minded" board deleted it in less than 10 minutes! Go liberal Nazis go! You guys will be driving the ship into the end with Obama steering it straight towards destruction and I will just
1 Pray for our country (before Obama breaks it down)
2 Vote McCain Palin
3 Paint the biggest "I told you liberals SO!" sign for when the end approaches if Barrack Hussein Obama gets elected
4 Grow more peaches
Thank you for your support!
(I just want to see how long this stays up before the open minded people from WP delete it)

Posted by: zootdrummer | September 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

wpost4112 wrote "turn off the TV……….”

Sorry lemming- My personal feeling is when you watch others; whether it be on TV, movies, etc, etc, etc, you are taking valuable time from of your life watching other people fulfill their dreams as athletes’, "journalists", actors, etc, etc, etc.

I do not own a TV. The dreams I watch being fulfilled everyday are my children’s dreams as I actively participate in their upbringing.

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LOL... then why are you belly-aching about the Media? If you have the TV off? How is it damaging your children if they aren't exposed to it??

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Palin has been treated with kid gloves because she is a female. Gender should make no difference in politics. All politicians should be treated the same. After all voters need to know where they stand on the issues and need to know if they have the intelligence and judgement to lead.

Women have always wanted equal opportunity and to be treated the same as men. Now that there is a female running for VP, she should be treated just like any other male politician.

As I said before, Pallin is just a cheerleading puppet for McCain. Throughout this campaign McCain has had either his wife or Joe Lieberman by his side. So it makes sense that if he's elected President he'd want another woman by his side when Cindy is off doing First Lady chores and Lieberman isn't available. It only shows that McCain doesn't have the intelligence or judgment to be President.

Posted by: Nevadaandy | September 30, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

wpost4112:

Why is it that the "small-government" conservatives are always the ones who think that the government should have any input on the morals of our children? The LAST person I want my kids looking up to is a politician. As another poster said, if you want your children to learn your own values, turn off the TV and teach them. It's YOUR job to instill values in your children, not the Government's.


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um. I think that was I who said that.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

No, I don't think Palin has a conservative problem. Remember, conservatives aren't that concerned with having a President who can deal with economic matters or foreign matters. These people are value voters. They are the ones who cling to their guns and religion. Of the four people on the ballot, Palin vindicates this view of the Presidency the most by far.

These people are more concerned with Roe V Wade and not with McCain Feingold. Yes, she is turning away all the Democrats and Independents who are concerned with competent running of the government, but I doubt dumping Palin for Romney will bring them back, but that move WILL demoralize the base. Maybe they will vote McCain, but they won't volunteer for him and they won't donate to him.

McCain needs every last shred of help he can get simply to keep the score manageable.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 30, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

wpost4112 wrote "turn off the TV……….”

Sorry lemming- My personal feeling is when you watch others; whether it be on TV, movies, etc, etc, etc, you are taking valuable time from of your life watching other people fulfill their dreams as athletes’, "journalists", actors, etc, etc, etc.

I do not own a TV. The dreams I watch being fulfilled everyday are my children’s dreams as I actively participate in their upbringing.


Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I posted the following at 9:16 AM EST today. In it I challenged any liberal out their to give me definite specific reasons why Palin's limited experience was not better than Obama's non-experience and Biden's 36 years of flummery. I am still waiting. One person said she is stupid and Obama is smart. Another told me what they thought was wrong with Palin. Can none of the great thinkers out there give specific, detailed reasons why Obama and Biden are better? Are the rants posted here, full of prejudice, and repetitious lies and rehashed rumours the best you can do? Give me reasons to believe that Obama and Biden are not just hollow empty shells. Your inability to articulate detailed, specific arguments for Obama and Biden as opposed to Palin increases my suspicions of them and frankly, your collective liberal intelligence and integrity.

Previous post:

Are we electing a vice-president or a TV personality? Do you have to be a 36 year do nothing senator and Washington insider to be vice president? Isn't old Joe one of the guys who made the current mess or was he asleep?

Neither Obama or Biden have executive experience of any kind. Obama has no foreign policy experience. His two years in the senate have been spent running for president. He is an admitted drug user and belonged to a racist church for 20 years but never heard any thing. Obama has been to all 57 states. Biden has been in the senate since 1972. His accomplishments are? Biden was caught cheating in law school and plagiarizing his senate speeches. He is a failed presidential candidate and a gaffe machine. Neither Obama and Biden have had a real, adult, non-political job in their lives.

I think our political system is hopelessly corrupt. I agree with Ayn Rand that our system consists of two gangs fighting over the levers of power and when they get their hands on them they use them to beat up on the other gang and steal all of us blind.

Having said that I am dumbfounded by the lefts love affair with the messiah and the hair plug. How goofy or dishonest are you and how much of your intelligence and independent thought are you willing to surrender?

Palin is, objectively, the least corrupt and objectionable person in this race. But, maybe I am wrong.

I challenge anyone to give me definite, specific reasons why Obama's non-experience is better then her small experience or why Joe's non-accomplishments after 36 years are better then her limited accomplishments. Please no airy fluff. Facts.

I dare you.

Posted by: JoeDBrown | September 30, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

wpost4112:

Why is it that the "small-government" conservatives are always the ones who think that the government should have any input on the morals of our children? The LAST person I want my kids looking up to is a politician. As another poster said, if you want your children to learn your own values, turn off the TV and teach them. It's YOUR job to instill values in your children, not the Government's.

Posted by: CaliforniaMonkey | September 30, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Palin's best chance to change this narrative in the campaign is to outperform expectations during Thursday night's debate."

Well that shouldn't be too hard at this point. Her disastrous first interview with Couric and the hysteric reaction of pundits and dems (you'd think they'd have learned by now) made sure that she will "outerperform expectations" as long as she manages to string together two coherent sentences. Low expectations are good prior to a debate, and I don't think they can get any lower at this point.

PS: Palin did do better in the second interview, however, having McCain there pretty much cancelled out any positive impressions. It was as if he needed to be there to hold her hand and make sure she didn't screw up again. It didn't exactly scream "ready to lead".

Posted by: CohtR | September 30, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

What is most amusing about this "analysis" is the total disdain that Libs have for evenness. conservatives speak the truth regardless of the consequences and that includes their own sometimes.

Liberals on the other hand, would never admit that B hussain Obama is a neophyte with no business runnning a general store, much less a country. and that biden is the human motor mouth with unintelligble garble emerging hourly.

consider the bail out ordeal. despite being responsible for it, Barney Frank and chris dodd think they should fix it. PeLousy can't even get her own votes and then blames the other side. all of a sudden, the Libs are in lock step with their nemesis Bush.

It is time to send these Liberal buffoons back to kindergarten, a small step back for them.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | September 30, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Late night (Monday the 29th) a Fox News anchor reported a poll in which 38% of those polled viewed Palin as unprepared (or unready or unqualified - I can't remember the wording) and only 17% thought that of Biden.

Posted by: CardinalFang | September 30, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

ca67kelin, McCaint and the Kissinger are all playing with the truth and twisting it around.....

Obama was right that Kissinger called for meetings without preconditions. McCain was right that Kissinger did not call for such meetings to be between the two presidents.

In a foreign policy forum on Sept. 15, Kissinger said: "I am in favor of negotiating with Iran."

He went on to say, "I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level" and the U.S. should go into the talks with "a clear understanding of what is it we're trying to prevent.

What is it going to do if we can't achieve what we're talking about?

But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations.

We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 30, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

wpost, C.S. Lewis's "Screwtape Letters" are certainly excellent for what they are, but bsimon is correct that he is best known for "TL,TW,&TW". Do you suggest that she said she read "Screwtape"?

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Well, she didn't say. So I give her the benefit of the doubt. My point on Lewis was not about Palin per se, but not to disparage Lewis as an author...even his fantasy series have intellectual worth.

I certainly agree that, in toto, Palin's personal bibliography is severely impoverished and devoid of anything politically or historically substantive. But then, we could be talking about Bush 2 as well.

As to expectations, Bush 2 set the bar below ground and that made Palin possible. Many (thank God not a majority of) Americans feel lost...they want a hero(ine). That is our reality. Isn't that the reality whenever any society faces economic crisis?? Fall back on superstition, bad religion, shallow patrotism, black and white thinking (both literally and figuratively)?

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I am writing this message to inform people of the injustice being perpretrated by Fox News against Barack Obama

Will you do the same about MSNBC on attacks against McCain?

Posted by: ca67klein | September 30, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Kimmo1 | September 30, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

After 8 years of watching the MSM turn a blind eye to the obvious malfeasance and incompetence of the Bush Administration, claims of liberal media bias are just ludicrous.

All the issues on Obama that you claim have gone unexamined were covered fairly exhaustively during the primary. There was no "there" there then, and there is no "there" there now.

Instead of blaming the media, why don't you look in the mirror? I didn't think it possible, but the Republican party has actually found two candidates who are worse than George Bush.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | September 30, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse


The worst thing about Palin (and there are many contenders for worst things about Palin)

is that she's too stupid to know what she doesn't know. She has no conception that she's not all there is. You'd think failure in four colleges would give her a hint.

Perhaps she thinks successful bottom wiggling is the same as brains. The same as.

It worked with McCain, after all. Tho we hear he's been as rude to her lately as habitually with his wife...

Posted by: whistling | September 30, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are just "Palin" Stupid... the same idiots who voted for G.W. Bush will be the same idiots who will vote for McSame.

All fly's swarm to fecal matter.

Posted by: fzelaya1 | September 30, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Dear pbh,

you are obviously not an Evangelical, that is the problem.

You just need to embrace some money grabbing, self-seeking minister who can show you the special kind of intelligence that Palin brings to the job.

Gee, Fannie May, just dust the trailor and get down to the poles in November.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 30, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job."
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All the founding fathers were extremely well-read and politically engaged and could discourse with ease about any subject, including philosohy.
They were not men off the street.

Palin is demonstrably ill-informed and poorly educated.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: ChangeNow2 | September 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job."


Whats wrong with "philosopher statesman" if she could easily become our president and leader of the free world?

I kinda think the job is more important and that we want someone who isn't "just one of us."

Why do we have to re-write the requirements for the job so that what little is left finally matches her resume?

If McCain thinks we should accept her mediocrity his judgement is seriously flawed.

Notice all the problems we have managing the business of this country? Does anyone beside the McCain and Palin families think she is capable of stepping in and taking control of say....the economic crisis we are in?

Call me crazy but I think we deserve so much better. And they deserve to have her back in Alaska.

Posted by: patrick10 | September 30, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Well, Palin's miniter is ready to end the world (like John Hagee) so Jesus will come again.


Her pastor knows how evil America is and often preaches that America will be punished. A cause all evangelicals share. Listen below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizrJLV30yI&feature=related

How comforting , but still for conservatives hopeful.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Dear GOD! What a tired and lame argument! The press has been after her like a pack of wild dogs (watch advertisements much?). Give me a break. This is someone running for the SECOND HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE COUNTRY!!!! She can't string a sentence together! Are you kidding me? I am a woman that is totally shocked that this woman has been selected to run for VP. She HAS to answer questions! She has to be proficient in international and national issues. She is clearly out of her league. At least when the dems put up a woman, she's qualified. Maybe not as good-looking, but she can think for herself and she doesn't shy away from a confrontation or squeal about the mean ole media or gotcha! questions from VOTERS!
Jeez.

Posted by: pbh4935 | September 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

On point, a WaPo writer yesterday suggested that SHP cannot lose her Thursday night debate, no matter how poorly she performs, because expectations are so low among the skeptical while the believers are so credulous.

Is that our current reality?

wpost, C.S. Lewis's "Screwtape Letters" are certainly excellent for what they are, but bsimon is correct that he is best known for "TL,TW,&TW". Do you suggest that she said she read "Screwtape"?

Leichtman, while coming from a different direction, as one who has been a long time admirer of McC, from the mid 90s on, who thought he was the very best U.S. Senator for the year 2005, for example; I feel your pain. And here is another confession: I thought well of SHP from a distance, until she was figuratively exposed, quite recently. Happy New Year to you.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | September 30, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Wow, 87% approval? You Republicans are a used car salesman's wet dream.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | September 30, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

This campaign is not about the war; the war will be resolved regardless. It is not about the financial mess; it will be resolved regardless. It is about who is going to control the thoughts and activities our children are exposed to during their formative years. It is about what is going to be considered normal to our children. Is it going to be more and more about violence, more sexual content, and more content espousing the openness of perversion?
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The war will not be resolved regardless. The economy will not be resolved regardless.

If you are worried about your children, turn off the TV and educate them. Get them reading and thinking for themselves. Don't blame the media for your poor parenting. Fer cryin out loud, you work in advertising!! You KNOW that the media is all about profits...be pro active, stop whining and educate your kids.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

hey billy8 - You failed to follow the posts.

Besides, if you go to court with your reading of the 1st Amendment you will find that it means something else. Do yourself a favor and read some of the unpublished Federal Court decisions. Then go back and read the 1st Amendment. Then let me know if that approximates your understanding.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 30, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Wow, The WP trying to write about conservatives. These guys wouldn't know a conservative if it sat in their lap and called them mama! The conservative base is firmly behind Gov. Palin and Sen. McCain. What the left is afraid of is the fact that the conservatives are not the ones who sqwawk and make a lot of noise. We just show up on election day. It is something that polls cannot quantify."

HA HA HA HA! conservatives dont sqwawk...well, except for oreilly, hannity, ingraham, limbaugh, fox, buckley, will, krauthamer...yes, other than that you can hear pins drop.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant - Sarah Palin has oodles of foreign policy experience and is more than able to discourse for hours on end the nuances of foreign affairs, except the Bush handlers won't let her. Is that what we're to make of the "Let Palin Be Palin" talk?

Palin has been Palin. Anyone who caught her act last night with McShame on CBS (and you are right Chris - Couric has been kicking tail and taking names, of late) witnessed full-fledged lies. Over the weekend, a voter/citizen asked Palin a straight-forward question about Pakistan (how dare she!), and Palin gave a muddled answer, though one somewhat clearer than the official McCain line. Last night, though, McShame shouted down the citizen as a "gotcha journalist," and spinned spinned spinned Palin's answer while the Governor sat there grinning and nodding.

Letting Palin be Palin is not an option, especially in a live debate in front of a TV audience likely bigger than any the presidential contests will garner. Palin Raw will give you one of three answers - a rambling non-sequitur; a blank stare; or a nasty comment for her pit-bull/barracuda supporters. None will likely score any points against Joe Biden, who can be just as nasty.

That's why her debate "prep" is three days of her sitting in a dark room, being force-fed McCain talking points, like law students cramming for the bar. McCain/Palin fans - if you enjoy the tumble you are taking in the polls now, just wait for the ineffable rush of free-fall you will experience starting Friday morning.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The Palins or Republicans problem is not the democrats per se. It is with the powers that be within the Democratic constituency – namely the media.

Unfortunately, in this country because people are busy, not truly interested, or just plain ignorant, they get their “facts” from the media. When you have mouth pieces like Katie “I don’t know a Republic from a Democracy” Couric espousing all things liberal, along with virtually every other “journalist” on the planet; no one is going to get past that message.

No I am not some right wing Limbaugh clone nut job. I have not been to church in over 30 years. I don’t hunt or fish. I have made my living in the world of advertising however so I know what I am talking about. My only motivation is I have 5 children and I want to raise them the way I want; not raise them battling influences in the media for the next 25 years.

As blatant recent examples of the biases in the media – When John Edwards affair finally came to light, that was information that had been known for months; just not reported (except in the Enquirer – and who the hell believes the Enquirer). In contrast – Rezko has agreed apparently to start talking and there has not been one word in the national press because everyone knows what that will do to the Obama campaign if he is linked directly to a convicted felon who has been sentenced because of his involvement in the bribery of politicians.

Part of the problem is the mentality of the general public. There is a significant potion of the country that is made up of people that can be called nothing other than lemmings. If it is “popular”, no matter what it is, it is for them. Having lived in Tampa for almost 30 years I saw the steady decline and almost utter collapse of the cigar industry that had thrived there for over 100 years. People started getting the message that smoking was bad, in particular cigar smoking and they were stopping in droves; so much so that old cigar factories where being converted into virtually any other type of business.

This occurred until Clinton was elected to office. I am convinced the mere vision of him using cigars was the immediate catalyst that turned the industry around. The industry had sunken too low and the timing of the turnaround too perfect to be any other reason.

So if people can be so easily convinced into a way of thinking – even at the risk of their own health; that begs the question – why is Obama the media’s man?

If you look at the legislation passed during the Bush administration as it pertains to the media, you will see very significant changes in how the media has been curtailed from advertising to children. This includes the amount of time that is allowed for commercials in children’s programming, content of commercials and references to secondary sources like web sites during commercials. This is all in addition to changes to the ratings systems of video games and movies, as well as parental warnings to parents regarding music, video games, and movies.

All summed; it has cost media giants billions of dollars.

As proof of the concern on the part of the media; if you read Viacom’s 10K (available online) you will see the change in children’s advertising guidelines mentioned numerous times as a significant threat to their overall profitability and long term strategic planning.

Viacom (which recently spun off CBS but retains significant shares of interest) owns virtually every cable program directed at children and is the world’s largest multi media corporation with hands that extend into video games, movie production companies, cartoon programming, and web based applications.

This is also an industry that generates 100’s of billions of dollars annually and collects it from the box office to the products your children buy due to being influenced by movies and programming.

What the power of the media has done; by simply shaping the perceptions of the public (Obama good – McCain evil), those that are the truly uninformed of this country depend on the media to tell them right from wrong.

A casual glance at press photos of McCain and Obama clearly show bias. Obama is always presented in a “worldly” pose – getting on a plane, shaking some ones hand, appearing to be gazing into the future. McCain is always depicted with a grimace on his face or some other awkward pose. This is not by accident.

By putting in the most liberal of all senators, who was groomed in Chicago’s political climate which has been rife with corruption for 100+ years, one who has clearly shown a predication to be on the fringes of main stream America in his political and religious beliefs, I am certain Viacom’s and others with the same interest see Obama as malleable at least and a willing aide at best.

We can all have our preferences for our candidates which is the American way. My only question would be why Obama would have been selected over Clinton. I think most people will agree again; Clinton’s problem was one generated by the perception created in the media. A person with virtually no experience as compared to a person highly respected, highly accomplished individual.

You can ditto the sentiments regarding McCain/Palin. Palin gets a bowel exam in the press every time she uses the restroom and Biden comes out and says he disagrees with ads attacking McCain and virtually no coverage to speak of. Obama has had countless passes in comparison to Palin who is not even his chief competition. An intelligent person is compelled to ask why.

This campaign is not about the war; the war will be resolved regardless. It is not about the financial mess; it will be resolved regardless. It is about who is going to control the thoughts and activities our children are exposed to during their formative years. It is about what is going to be considered normal to our children. Is it going to be more and more about violence, more sexual content, and more content espousing the openness of perversion?

Posted by: Bcamp55 | September 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Spodeworld wrote:

"The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job."

Yeah, like George W. Bush, born into a wealthy and politically connected Yankee family. Or John McCain, a Navy brat all his
life, born into a family of admirals and married into a multi-million dollar fortune.

Therein lies the problem. "He/She is like us" is the most boneheaded way to choose a leader. Who are "you" anyway? Would you trust yourself to run a country, or even a city? You are nothing - and I say this with utmost magnanimity.
If you forced yourself to think for about 5 minutes, you'd recognize that you want leaders who're better than you, much better. Not this ridiculous McGrumpy and McBarbie circus.


Posted by: VMR1 | September 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I am writing this message to inform people of the injustice being perpretrated by Fox News against Barack Obama. For the past two weeks there has been nothing but negative reporting against senator Obama by the Fox News network, which is unfair to listeners and the candidate. This networks seemingly biased opinions are not of interest to us viewers. My concern is that negative reporting like this will influence voters that are undecided of which candidate best express their wishes. I depend on these news stations for fair, accurate and just reporting regardless of the outcome whether it be a debate or any other current event and if that cant be accomplished I feel that it is grounds for that station (Fox News network) to be boycotted until they learn and understand that those types of injustices will not be tolerated. If anyone else can relate to the unfair reporting of Fox News I suggest that you join us in a boycott of this news station. PASS THIS MESSAGE ALONG.

Posted by: dicktracy2001 | September 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

CBS Distorts Palin Interview

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You can't distort this verbatim transcript (this is NOT the SNL version,. but the actual Couric interview):

COURIC: Why isn’t it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries? Allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy? Instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That’s why I say, I like ever American I’m speaking with were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the tax payers looking to bailout.

But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Helping the — Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too. Shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americas. A

And trade we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. ALl those things under the umbrella of job creation.

This bailout is a part of that.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Where might those great supporters of Palin find issue (besides her genuine lack of intelligence, which has never been a problem for the Republican party anyway.)?


SECESSIONIST…we must unite behind Sarah Palin. Her husband, Todd, was a member the Alaskan Independence Party working for Alaska to secede from the United States. The director of Division of Elections in Alaska reported that Todd Palin registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group that advocates for Alaskan secession from the United States, and remained a member until 2002, when he registered as undeclared while his wife ran for office. She is more than sympathetic to the cause of secession; she is a participant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
Sarah congratulates the secession party only 6 months ago on their political gains.
COMMUNISM….Over the course of 2007, Palin fought to raise taxes on oil companies to $49 per barrel. As fuel prices skyrocketed in 2007, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits.

We've already checked her claim that she sent "a large share of that revenue directly back to the people of Alaska."

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means for every family an additional $22,400.00. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in.


EARMARKS AND PORKY THE PIG….“Porky” Palin – hey, as it turns out, that pig does wear lipstick….wow!!!

After McCain said earlier this year that he won't "spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, requested millions of dollars to study the DNA of harbor seals, among other things (including research on the mating habits of crabs.)

Palin, meanwhile, has requested $3.2 million to be spent in part researching the “genetics of harbor seals,”

"Senator McCain said Governor Palin ‘learned that earmarks are bad’, but in 2008 alone Gov. Palin requested $256 million in earmarks for Alaska, and her state received more earmarks per person that any other state," said spokesman Tommy Vietor.

At the time Gov. Palin was giving this money away $751 million to the citizens of Alaska, she was bilking the U.S. government for $256 million in earmarks. Yes, it’s true.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/11/02449/9021

At the end of the clip, John McCain promises that he'll make the names of wasteful government spenders "famous." Apparently, he kept his pledge: he picked one of them to be his veep.

"The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."


FISCAL CONSERVATIVE………..Sarah Palin’s portrait as a fiscal conservative when she ran the city of Wasilla, Alaska, as its mayor from 1996 to 2002. However, the truth is during her 6 years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33 percent.

According to figures provided by the city of Wasilla, the operating budget for Wasilla went from $6,050,160 in fiscal year 1996 to $9,393,768 in 2002. That’s a 55 percent increase.

A huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though; borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million.

The fiscal year ending 1996 (when Palin took the reins), which showed the city’s long-term debt at $1.12 million, mostly for paving and sewer projects. The annual financial report for fiscal year ending June 30, 2002 — Palin’s last year in office — shows that the total long-term debt was $24.8 million. Long-term debt increased $23.7 million.

From $1.1 million to $23.7million – that is one large increase.

What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library? No! $1 million for a park, $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex...She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 years without any borrowing.

Ms. Palin ordered city employees not to talk to the press. And she used city money to buy a white Suburban for the mayor’s use — employees sarcastically called it the mayor-mobile.

OOOHHH, THOSE REPUBLICAN ECONOMICS…GOLLY GEE

THIS LAST ISSUE OF FISCAL SPENDING IS REPUBLICAN PARTY 100%. AS LONG AS ALL THE MONEY GOES INTO THE POCKETS OF CORPORATE FRIENDS RATHER THAN SCHOOLS, HEALTHCARE, CARING FOR THE MENTALLY ILL OR AGED... YOU KNOW ALL THOSE EVIL SOCIAL THINGS.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey cometboy I respectfully disagree with your premise on a time-line basis.

In the late 1580s, Sir Walter Raleigh attempted to plant a colony for England in present-day North Carolina. This unsuccessful and expensive settlement, often referred to as The Lost Colony, made the English crown wary of trying again.

It was not until 1606 that the Virginia Company of London received a charter from the newly-crowned King James I. Following the precedent set by other companies such as the Moscovy Company and East India Company, the Virginia Company was a joint-stock company, which sold shares. All who purchased shares at a cost of £12 10s shared in the success or failure of the venture. The Virginia Company was formed both to bring profit to its shareholders and to establish an English colony in the New World. The Company, under the direction of its treasurer Sir Thomas Smith, was instructed to colonize land between the 34th and 41st northern parallel.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 30, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"If your Jewish values were intact you wouldn't even considering voting for McCain."

Well said, VMR1, and that goes for Christian values as well. I was raised to respect egalitarian principles, and taught the strong must protect the weak. Republicans have let all of us down and deserve to be shown the door.

I have several lifelong friends, Orthodox Jews - all liberal Democrats - who are voting for McCain. When I press them a little for an explanation and mention Bush, the erratic incompetence of the McCain campaign and Palin's ignorance and intolerance, all I get is vague gibberish, e.g., Obama is too young and inexperienced, etc., when they have all voted for younger less-experienced Democrats. This election is making normally rattional people irrational. So it goes.

Posted by: maxfli68 | September 30, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

- parents complained to her, as mayor, about books in the library THEY found offensive.
- She in turn contacted the librarian to see if there was a process in place for PARENTS to bring complaints about the inclusion of books in the library. The answer was 'no'.
- She in turn told the offended parents effectively "sorry, but books can't be banned".

End of story. The librarian being fired had to do with budget disagreements, not 'book-banning'.

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ABCNews.com reported that the church Palin then attended, the Assembly of God, had tried to get a book called "Pastor, I Am Gay" out of local bookstores, according to author Howard Bess, a pastor of the Church of the Covenant in the nearby town of Palmer. "And she was one of them," Bess said. The book argues for churches to be tolerant of gays and lesbians.

The "parent" story is a later fabrication by the McCain camp. Originally, Palin had told the press that, when she asked about the process of removing books from the library, it was a “rhetorical question....nothing to do with parents at all.

Palin was just pushing the anti-gay agenda of her church. You know, the church where she was exorcised by the witch-hunter from Africa.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

We need leadership...and stupidity... side by side... its time to broadcast an attack ad and get McCaint and Plain to the rescue....

...Its time for SuperLiar...and his sidekick "peeeuuu" to swoop in and make it worse........

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-couric-on-gotcha-journalism.html

Tuesday, September 30, 2008
McCain and Couric Spar on Gotcha Journalism

COURIC: Over the weekend, Gov. Palin, you said the U.S. should absolutely launch cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan to, quote, "stop the terrorists from coming any further in." Now, that's almost the exact position that Barack Obama has taken and that you, Sen. McCain, have criticized as something you do not say out loud. So, Gov. Palin, are you two on the same page on this?

MCCAIN: Now, just a minute, Katie. I have to step in here. That's another example of the media's "Gotcha journalism"...

COURIC: But, it was a question from a citizen. How is a citizen asking a candidate a question an example of what you call "Gotcha Journalism?"

MCCAIN: Because it was hard, Katie.

We don't want Gov. Palin to be asked questions, unless she is prepared for them. When she is prepared, as she will be before the debate, she sounds intelligent, knowledgeable and feisty. But when she has not been prepared, she sounds lost and incoherent.

We can't have people asking her questions when she has not had time to be prepared with an answer.

COURIC: But, Sen. McCain, I have to say, you are 72-years old. Actuarial preditions show that if you were to be elected, Gov. Palin would have a 1 in 5 chance of actually becoming President. These are perilous times--unprecedented crises in financial markets, tensions across a wide range of critical foreign policy arenas. Shouldn't we have a Vice President, and a potential President, who actually understands these issues, beyond the preparation necessary for a debate?

MCCAIN: Gov. Palin understands these areas very well, Katie.

COURIC: Here is her response to a question on the economy:

COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

COURIC: That answer, Sen. McCain, as noted by Fareed Zakaria, is incoherent.

MCCAIN: Yes.

COURIC: Well, isn't it actually important that a potential President actually comprehend issues? That is, beyond debate preparation?

MCCAIN: No, Katie. That's what I mean by "gotcha journalism". It's obvious from these prior interviews that Palin has little to no comprehension of fiscal policy and economics. For heaven's sake, she received a "D" in macroeconomics in college! And, as I've I said in the past, I have little understanding of economic issues myself.

No, what's important, Katie, is that she *sound* like she understands the issues. In the debate. If she is sufficiently prepared, she can give an illusion of understanding the issues--even if she is giving answers with the prepared and practiced spontaneity and content necessary to give that illusion force.

Given that the bar is set at the lowest standard imaginable, Katie, if she accompanies that performance with sufficient charm, we believe that media will follow, into focusing on the change from that low standard, and on those superficial entertainment values--you know, Katie, (McCain smiles through tight lips and squinting eyes and moves his hands up and down)--"She certainly appears to be more confident tonight; she appears more poised, coherent, humorous"--rather than her readiness to be President from an objective standard. Here, using the more important standard of Presdidential capability, she has already demonstrated that she is unprepared to be President.

So, Katie, we want them to focus on that difference, on her debate preparation, rather than on her actual well-demonstrated Presidential unreadiness. And that's what I mean by "gotcha journalism."

KATIE: But if I understand you correctly, Sen. McCain, you actually believe that it's not important that she understand the issues actually facing the nation...

MCCAIN: Right.

COURIC: On which many people's very jobs, health and life will rely at this critical time...

MCCAIN: Yes.

COURIC: All that really matters creating a standard so low that she actually is rewarded for her widely seen and repeatedly demonstrated lack of knowledge and understanding. That we would be using what is essentially a remedial standard for Presidential capability.

And, it seems you are saying, Sen. McCain, that, as a result, we would actually decide that she is ready for the Presidency, simply because, after preparation, she has improved. Even though days earlier, time after time, she was unable to give coherent answers on these subjects.

No one gains Presidential understanding in days. And in the office of the Presidency, with its intense crises and unforseeable events, she will not be prepared for each unpredictable day, as she was for the debate.

Yet you expect media to focus on these values, rather than actual readiness to be President. That's what you mean by "gotcha journalism"?

MCCAIN: Exactly. Once again, Katie, we "gotcha."

COURIC: How can you expect the media to fall for that?

MCCAIN: It worked for Bush.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-couric-on-gotcha-journalism.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | September 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

theodosia1 wrote:
Virginia and America was founded on Christian beliefs. Fact-check with Henig's Statutes.

Who cares? Ever read the first amendment?

Posted by: billy8 | September 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse


Ask any collage player what happens when they get to the pro's? They feel like they have never played the game before. It is not even possible to hope for her to do good. She can't come off as anything other then someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Walk into a hardware store and try to BS the clerk if you know nothing about hardware. He may just be a clerk but you are in his element and I don't care if you are a supreme court judge, in that hardware store you are the dope. Palin isn't on the level in washington, of the average secretary there. They know a hundred time more then she knows.

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"Palin will do fine in the debate. She did OK in portions of an Alaska governors debate that I saw on C-SPAN. She's not a policy wonk. So what. The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job."

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Juneau is about 4,500 miles from Moscow. Boston is slightly closer.

Posted by: GregCleveland | September 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

hey dcraven925:

King James chartered two plantations to conduct commerce in Virginia. He addressed the other commercial plantations as territories and America.

I can't tell you why the difference.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 30, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman said:
"On this Jewish New Year I am proud to announce to bonjedi espeially, that I will now be voting for Obama."

If your Jewish values were intact you wouldn't even considering voting for McCain.

Posted by: VMR1 | September 30, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

CBS Distorts Palin Interview

Monday, September 29, 2008 10:20 AM

By: James Hirsen

It is a tale of two con jobs.

As outlined in my previous column, ABC’s Charles Gibson interview of Sarah Palin was questionably edited. Now CBS has followed suit with the Katie Couric interview of the GOP vice presidential candidate.

A pattern of distortion has emerged. Both ABC and CBS cut answers by Palin; answers that would have indicated a more nuanced approach to foreign policy when it comes to the issue of multilateral diplomacy.

In the Couric interview, Palin answered a question that dealt with what the U.S. should do to convince Pakistan to take a harder line against terrorists.

“At a time when new leadership comes in, that is the opportunity to forge better, tighter, more productive relationships and that’s what we’ll take advantage of with new leadership in the U.S. and in Pakistan. And I’m sure that President Zardari, too, will agree with us as we commit to the support that Pakistan needs, that other nations in the region need, in order to win this war on terrorism,” Palin responded.

This question and answer were edited out.

Could it be that Palin’s response did not serve CBS’ desired post-interview spin?

When Couric inquired about the implementation of democracy in other parts of the world, Palin answered, “Well, one is that America cannot be counted on to do this solely, to be the savior of every other nation, but we need friends and we need allies, and we need this nation-building effort and we need to forge new alliances, and that is what a new election will provide opportunity to do.”

This response, too, was withheld from the public.

Could it be once again that CBS did not find the response to be consistent with the hawkish image of Palin that mainstream media are trying to cloak her with?

Similarly, Couric asked about instances when a democracy does not produce the desired outcome, such as in the election of Hamas.

“Especially in that region, though, we have got to protect those and support those who do seek democracy and do seek protections for the people who live there. And you know, we’re seeing today, in the last couple of days here in New York, a speaker, a president of Iran, Ahmadinejad, who would come on our soil and express such disdain for one of our closest allies and friends — Israel — and we’re hearing the evil that he speaks. And if hearing him doesn’t allow Americans to commit more solidly to protecting the friends and allies that we need, especially there in the Mideast, then nothing will,” Palin responded.

“If Americans are not waking up to understand what it is that he represents, then nothing is going to wake us up and we will be lulled into some kind of false sense of security that perhaps Americans were a part of before 9/11,” she added.

Again CBS editors snipped away.

ABC News cut similar content from the Gibson interview. Intelligent, thoughtful, reasoned responses edited out? Beyond shameful, this represents the utter corruption of the Fourth Estate.

The New Media thankfully ride to the rescue.

In other media missteps, CBS, Katie Couric, and Barack Obama had to be corrected by famed diplomat Henry Kissinger.

Kissinger released a short statement that was intended to clear up some false representations made about something he had allegedly said.

During the Couric-Palin interviews, Couric asked the following question of Sarah Palin: “You met yesterday with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who is for direct diplomacy with both Iran and Syria. Do you believe the U.S. should negotiate with leaders like President Assad and Ahmadinejad?”

Palin answered, with respect to Ahmadinejad, “You can't just sit down with him with no preconditions being met.”

Couric claimed that negotiating with Iran without preconditions was Kissinger’s position.

When the interview ended, Couric told her audience, “Incidentally, we confirmed Henry Kissinger’s position following our interview.” She repeated that Kissinger supports talks “without preconditions.”

Is it possible that CBS and the Obama campaign are communicating?

During the first presidential debate, Obama claimed that Kissinger “along with five recent secretaries of state just said we should meet with Iran, guess what, without preconditions.”

John McCain shot back, “Dr. Kissinger did not say that he would approve a face-to-face meeting [with Ahmadinejad]. He did say there could be secretary and lower level meetings.”

Kissinger later weighed in, saying, “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next president of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend, Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

I think that, without preconditions, CBS, Couric, and Obama should engage in talks with a make-up artist on how to get the egg off their faces.

James Hirsen, J.D., M.A. in Media Psychology, is a media analyst, teacher of mass media and entertainment law at Biola University and professor at Trinity Law School.

Posted by: ca67klein | September 30, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

theodosia1 wrote:

>Virginia and America was founded on
>Christian beliefs. Fact-check with Henig's >Statutes. The spelling is in old english so >your spell check will go crazy.

>Here is a small sample:

>LAWS OF VIRGINIA,
>MARCH, 1623-4 −−− 21st James 1st.

Yes, Virginia, Plymouth, etc. were all founded on Christian principles by groups that were

1) seeking religious FREEDOM
2) sufficiently conservative that they would regard even the most hard core modern evangelical mega-churches as dens of sin whose congregants will, without exception, be spending eternity in hell.

Other colonies like New Amsterdam, New Orleans, and Providence were founded under a decidedly more inclusive mandate. Yet others were prison colonies without any religious basis at all.

So, if your point is to establish that the Virginia colony's charter confines the modern US to exclusively 'christian' ethics and principles by virtue of it having been representative of the entire new world, then I have to say you're guilty of some serious cherry picking. Plus, I can all but assure you that you wouldn't enjoy living under the 'principles' the Virginians would impose on you.

In any case, while the Virginia COLONY might have been founded by religious zealots who codified their faith into law, the STATE of Virginia is governed by a constitution written 164 years later by secular deists during the enlightenment who draw a sharp line between state and faith.

Can you guess which set of laws and principles are relevant now?

Posted by: cometboy | September 30, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: basementfrog | September 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Lewis is best known for his series of novels about a magic world that children enter through a piece of furniture.

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Actually, Lewis is a extremely well-regarded theological writer. I credit Palin for reading him. But unfortunately, she is not running for America's pastor, but our second-highest political office. Like Bush, she is better suited for the church pulpit, not the bully pulpit.

If you haven't read The Screwtape Letters, you ought. Brilliant chap, that Lewis.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The Bradley effect has never been valued at more then maybe 2 percentage points. Obama's lead is becoming so commanding it would not even matter even if it did exist.


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This is due to the "Bradley effect" which will win the election for McCain.

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The Bradley effect was disproved in the primaries. Nice try though, I know you are desperate for some hope.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Palin will do fine in the debate. She did OK in portions of an Alaska governors debate that I saw on C-SPAN. She's not a policy wonk. So what. The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job."

Sorry, this isn't a job for amateurs, we need someone who has the qualities you deride, not just a run-of-the-mill someone like us type. Maybe you are willing to roll the dice and give a minor bird a chance, but I am not. Why wouldn't you want someone who has a grasp of the issues, how government works, and what is going on in the world? Do you feel those are not qualifications for a leader? Wouldn't you want the best surgeon if you needed surgery? Or a qualified contractor if you were having your house built? Why would you want anything less from someone pulling the leavers of power at the White House?

Posted by: Spodeworld | September 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: basementfrog | September 30, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

First it was the media, now it is "her handlers." People refuse to accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, she isn't very good. Everyone is polite to the point of absurdity (I feel sorry for Dan Quayle -- he go eviscerated for much smaller transgressions).

I think the likely answer is that winning an election in Alaska just isn't a great surrogate for being a great politician. Except for being a woman, she seems like GW Bush without the MBA, and with a 1/6th of the experience, and that coming from a very tiny state (I think governing Texas is a heck of a lot different than governing Alaska).

Posted by: MShake | September 30, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Well. If this is the real Leichtman, I am glad. If only because of the exact 2 reasons stated. This bodes well for America. Now, let's see if Obama can deliver.

Posted by: wpost4112

for those who have read my post here since Feb here I can assure you on this New Year that those are my posts as diffiult as it has been for me to come to that conclusion.

Obama/Biden 2008
HC 2012

Reject the Palin/McCain-Hoover ticket!

Posted by: leichtman | September 30, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I am afraid you are falling for the show being put on. Mccain never suspended his campaign at all. Mccain spent maybe an hour working on the bill. The rest of the time he was at his home in Virginia practicing for the debate. They were even seen running in and out with a pair of podiums. Mccain is a fraud, he has been his whole life.
Much of the rest of your post is just lies I won't even bother responding to. They have been discredited so many times you may be the only one left who still believes them


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Wasn't it McCain that wanted to suspend the campaign and debate and he was blasted for it? "Oh the Republicans backed out at the last minute!"

Posted by: zootdrummer | September 30, 2008 10:29 AM | R

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Its 3:00 AM, the "red phone" in the White House rings. There is a major conflict in the Middle East that has just come up. Sarah Palin answers the " red phone," Is she ready.

Posted by: captholland2000 | September 30, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dbw1
"parents complained to her, as mayor, about books in the library THEY found offensive. "

And as MAYOR or just as an AMERICAN she should have immediately responded to ban books is illegal.

It's pretty terrifying that someone assumes they're qualified to be in political office doesn't know the basic laws of our nation...let alone why they're dying "over there".

Posted by: spritey | September 30, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

hey tcg6 - I provided the url for you to look at all of the statutes if you so desired.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 30, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

This is due to the "Bradley effect" which will win the election for McCain.

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The Bradley effect was disproved in the primaries. Nice try though, I know you are desperate for some hope.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

AgnosticEngineer:

You sarcasm about the 1960s is unwarranted.
The 1960s was the last time Western Civilization was alive and kicking. A period of unbelievable creative and social changes.
As we know from world history, such periods are always crushed by the reactionary forces - whether religious, royal, commercial, or political. There's no more reliable fountainhead of fascism than insecure petit bourgeoisie, a.k.a. the Middle Class. the last 8 years in the history of this country prove it.


Posted by: VMR1 | September 30, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Ruth Marcus joins in the skewering of Palin today. Marcus referenced a Charlie Rose interview that Gov Palin conducted last year, in which she referenced her favorite authors CS Lewis & some Doctor that wrote for Runners World. Marcus's point is that McCain is a voracious reader of history & Palin explained away her lack of a passport with a claim to learn about the world through reading and studying. So far as I know, Runners World doesn't cover a lot of history or foreign policy. Lewis is best known for his series of novels about a magic world that children enter through a piece of furniture.

Posted by: bsimon1 | September 30, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

wpost4112:

You claim to want to 'set the record straight'....and then repeat a common misconception.

Palin never banned books at the library.
She didn't ask about banning books, and then fire an unwilling librarian.

- parents complained to her, as mayor, about books in the library THEY found offensive.
- She in turn contacted the librarian to see if there was a process in place for PARENTS to bring complaints about the inclusion of books in the library. The answer was 'no'.
- She in turn told the offended parents effectively "sorry, but books can't be banned".

End of story. The librarian being fired had to do with budget disagreements, not 'book-banning'.

But that doesn't stop the Democrat spin machine from continuing to trot out the debunked "Palin banning library books story".

And of course the mainstream media isn't going to do anything to 'set the record straight'. I mean, that would be like doing their job in an unbiased way. We know THAT won't happen....

Posted by: dbw1 | September 30, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm willing to bet anybody that come Thursday's debate you can count on, one, Palin will provide a lot of "zingers" in her responses in an effort to get under Biden's skin. And, two, whenever the moderator asks Palin a follow up question, Palin will struggle in her responses.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

We'll definitely be able to count on one, but you would lose the bet on two-- the McCain campaign have requested that the format of the debate be changed to reduce the amount of time candidates are given to answer a question, and to eliminate follow-up questions. Biden agreed to these changes. So expect the debate to go something like this:

Q: It has been rumored that Kim Jong Il's declining health as well as the financial bankruptcy of North Korea has left the leader looking for a way to normalize relations with the U. S. What do you think of allowing North Korea to "come in from the cold," so to speak?

A: Well, as you know, North Korea, as opposed to South Korea (which is a different country that borders North Korea) has a very cold climate, being in the region that is known for long winters. But Kim Jong Il must not be allowed to spread evil across the face of the planet, regardless of the weather in his country.

Posted by: pennycentury | September 30, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

On this Jewish New Year I am proud to announce to bonjedi espeially, that I will now be voting for Obama. Palin's selection just amazed me with the breath of irresponsibility and recklessness with our nation's future by McCain; the second nail in my vote was McCain's cowardice and politicization with our economic future yesterday claiming credit for a bill he could not even convince his own party to support.

"About an hour before the Wall Street bailout package collapsed yesterday in the U.S. House, Sen. John McCain trumpeted his role in building a coalition to fight for the economic rescue plan," Joe Hallett writes for the Columbus Dispatch.

And this is the kind of leadership he wants to bring to this country? I am likely the only political junkie out there who supported the bill and feel that I appreciate the consequences to our economy and my family's retirement and economic future but I think in mho that McCain's behavior on the bill was totally reckless, and showed poor leadership skills on, which will be required to fix our broken economy. He should have spent all of his time showing that he is truly a maverick, instead of playing politics with the worlds' economy, and stood up to the right wing of his party who derailed the vote. He failed his own test of independence and political courage. So bonjedi I am probably the last of the HC holdouts who has finally decided regrettably that I will vote for Senator Obama in 2008 and HC in 2012. Took me a while, Palin and yesterday's vote to get there, but I am sure that many others will now agree that we have no other choice.

I will not vote for the Palin/McCain/Hoover ticket, enough said bonjedi?

Posted by: leichtman | September 30, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

will not vote for the Palin/McCain/Hoover ticket, enough said bonjedi?

Posted by: leichtman | September 30, 2008 10:27 AM

Welcome aboard, Leichtman. You'll be happier now.

Posted by: NMModerate1 | September 30, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

theodosia1 wrote:
Virginia and America was founded on Christian beliefs. Fact-check with Henig's Statutes.
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Please. 4 Statutes from a Virginia code of 1623(!) do not a monopoly of theological inevitability make. The old English spellings are tittilatingly (oboy, hope I'm not going to face vengeful burning for THAT word) ironic in the statute "That there be an uniformity in our church as neere as may be to the cannons in England", as we all know at whom our cannons were pointed at the start of our NATIONHOOD. America was based on a wealth of knowledge and societal influence, of which Christian theology was certainly an integral part. Cotton-picking some naughty bits that specifically mention God or church do not impart on them solitary importance. It is EXACTLY that selective filtering of history and reality that is so counterproductive to our healthy functioning in the world; deny the flesh and you will inevitably become a corpse. I don't recall America being mentioned in the Bible as one of the inevitable rapturous resurrectees, and I sincerely hope that American electoral consciousness is not excited enough about testing this idea as to vote us into the Taliban of the West.

Posted by: tcg6 | September 30, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Under Palin's premise, if one changes a tire in a hospital parking lot, one is then qualified to perform brain surgery and plant themselves in the hospital administrator's corner office.

In July she told Kudlow, on live camera, that she has no idea what the Vice President's job is and doesn't know what the VP does all day. When she said she'd prefer to be gov in Alaska since she likes to stay busy, Kudlow asserted that since he's in the White House a lot, he can ASSURE her the VP is very busy.

Somehow ... magically ... since July she now considers herself qualified even after confessing to the nation she hasn't taken civics classes?

Or maybe she found out she could stay busy in the White House shredding our documents - the White House work products ....and frolic with her fans by outing key covert nuclear proliferation agents in the CIA?


Posted by: spritey | September 30, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

theodosia1 wrote:

Virginia and America was founded on Christian beliefs. Fact-check with Henig's Statutes. The spelling is in old english so your spell check will go crazy.

My response:
I guess the question is deciding what you mean by America and what you mean by founding. Certainly many of the colonies were founded with one religious sect or another controlling the colony. Maryland, for example, was founded to provide the Catholics a chance to avoid religious persecution in England. Pennsylvania was founded by the Quakers and so forth. But America, at least the collective entity called the United States of America, did not exist at that time. And it was a unique experience consisting of a combination of many different religious beliefs. And, after having seen the impact of a State Religion on England, the United States (i.e. America) was expressly formed to NOT have a State religion. (Further, many of the founding fathers were, in fact, Deists).

Jefferson, himself stated:
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

Posted by: dcraven925 | September 30, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I will not vote for the Palin/McCain/Hoover ticket, enough said bonjedi?
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Well. If this is the real Leichtman, I am glad. If only because of the exact 2 reasons stated. This bodes well for America. Now, let's see if Obama can deliver.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Virginia was "Chartered" in the 1600's.

ANCIENT CHARTERS,RELATING TO THE

FIRST SETTLEMENT OF VIRGINIA

LETTERS PATENT to Sir Thomas Gates, Sir George Somers, and others, for two several Colonies and Plantations, to be made in VIRGINIA, and other parts and Territories of America.

(Dated April 10th, 1606. 4 James 1st. −−− Stith's App. No.
1. pa. 1.)
I. JAMES, by the grace of God, King of England, Scotland, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, &c. WHEREAS our loving and well-disposed subject, Sir Thomas Gates, and Sir George Somers, Knights, Richard Hackluit, Clerk, Prebendary of Westminster, and Edward-Maria Wingfield, Thomas Hanham, and Ralegh Gilbert, Esqrs. William Parker, and George Popham, gentlemen, and divers others of our loving subjects, have been humble suitors unto us, that we would vouchsafe unto them our licence, to make habitation, plantation, and to deduce a colony of sundry of our people into that part of America, commonly called Virginia, and other parts and territories in America, ether appertaining unto us, or which are not now actually possessed by any christian prince or people, situate, lying and being all along the sea coasts, between four and thirty degrees of Northerly latitude from the Equinoctial line, and five and forty degrees of the same latitude, and in the main land between the same four and thirty and five and forty degrees, and the islands thereunto adjacent, or withing one hundred miles of the coasts thereof. 1606.
Ap'l 10th.
4th James 1st.

First charter to Sir Thomas Gates and others.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 30, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Here's what someone from the media (likely the Post) wrote to Instapundit:

"Off the record, every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true. We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and its working."

http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/025096.php

Posted by: info42 | September 30, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

If anyone thinks these so called polls are accurate, they better think again.Just because they ask a few hundred or thousand people does not make it so.Many people do not tell the truth,many polls are biased for one party,mostly Democrats.Many are taken in party strongholds, mostly Democratic.The questions also have a lot of spin involved.I believe there is a 6 to 12 percentage point differential in McCain's favor. This is due to the "Bradley effect" which will win the election for McCain.

Posted by: frankv | September 30, 2008 10:16 AM |
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WHAT? The Bradley effect? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL you guys come up with ANYTHING! LOLOL so the polls are lying and now we're supposed to beleive you and your Bradley effect? TALK ABOUT DESPERATE!!! LOLOLOLOL Boy, you sound like a McClame/Palin supporter!! HEY LOOK, I CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM MY PORCH!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOSER!

Posted by: gabbamonkey | September 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I assume tha the McCain campaign has a legion of spinmeisters already working to defuse the effects of Palin's likely errors in the debate. Biden and anyone questioning her will be cast as sexist, patronizing, condescending, arrogant, or whatever. Blackberries will be buzzing witrh key words to use in post debate comments, in an attempt to provide a unified front. At least this time there will not be any embarassment over the fact that Palin is not out trying her hand at spinning- note her missing in action after last week's Presidential debate.

Posted by: jhherring | September 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Republicans are just very comfortable with the Dick Cheney model of the Vice President - someone who is never seen or heard, but just sits is some "unknown location".

Wasilla, Alaska, pretty well fits the description of a remote, "unknown location".

Posted by: jimk8mr | September 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

OK people lets get real here, the current issue that everyone in Washington is talking about is the economic "problem".
Wow I am a middle aged hourly employee that already lives from paycheck to paycheck so this does not concern me. Liberals take note, we can accept Palin because many of us would rather have the money distributed to the people rather than to Wall Street that has never offered to assist the rest of the country in any way (that they didn't profit from)or keep the money and leave the taxes the same. What you fail to recognize is this, I believe Sarah was a great choice she is not a longtime washington resident as are the Dems. Now to be open on this I was ready to leap the aisle when I heard about Barack just to try something new then AS I GATHERED REAL INFORMATION ABOUT HIM (not the crap the media tries to spoon feed the public)and found the questionable ties to William Ayers and that he has recieved quite a payout from Fannie/Freddie as well($700,000 is alot to us hourly folks) Dodd got like 90 mil in 9 years. Let me explain why the system is failing, Greed! Let the greedy give them the money I do not want my kids to owe cause Wall Street got stupid! Sorry you guys want me to vote for a Dem bring me one with a soul. McCain earned his spot (remember those silly guys that protect our freedoms we call them soldiers and heroes)and is trying the outside the box approach the nation has asked for and still gets blasted. Wasn't it McCain that wanted to suspend the campaign and debate and he was blasted for it? "Oh the Republicans backed out at the last minute!" No the Dems rolled out of that vote too. Pelosi is a nut job and her big mouth set the bill back not McCain! Then he still did very well in the debate even after all that. So you guys blast him I am inspired by him and Sarah. Let truth shine upon this subject and we will see who runs from the sun. He is no Messiah and I cannot vote for him. McCain/Palin '08 thanks Obama for making the choice clear!

Posted by: zootdrummer | September 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

And of course all of you, debils, fail to note that when Putin does "rear his head", he comes into the US airspace via Newfoundland, umm...about 2500 miles from Alaska. All Moscow-New York/Washington flights take the much shorter, occidental direction, via Estonia-Denmark-UK-Ireland-Newfoundland-northeastern seaboard of the US.

So, what's wrong with Sarah Palin? She's a perfectly cute idiot with a nice pair of legs for a country filled with idiots.


Posted by: VMR1 | September 30, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I also forgot to mention that "under God" was ADDED to the pledge in the '50's. Who's pushing agendas again? Luckily, that faith injection saved us from our immorality. Look how pious the '60's were...

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | September 30, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

On this Jewish New Year I am proud to announce to bonjedi that I will now be voting for Obama. Palin's selection just amazed me with the breath of irresponsibilty and wrecklessness with our nation's future by McCain; the second nail in my vote was McCain's cowardice and politicization with our economic future yesterday claiming credit for a bill he could not even convince his own party to support.

"About an hour before the Wall Street bailout package collapsed yesterday in the U.S. House, Sen. John McCain trumpeted his role in building a coalition to fight for the economic rescue plan," Joe Hallett writes for the Columbus Dispatch.

And this is the kind of leadership he wants to bring to this country? I am likely the only political junkie out there who supported the bill and feel that I appreciate the consequences to our economy and my family's retirement and economic future but I think in mho that McCain's behavior on the bill was totally wreckless, and showed poor leadership skills on, which will be required to fix our broken economy. He should have spent all of his time showing that he is truly a maverick, instead of playing politis with the worlds'economy, and stood up to the right wing of his party who derailed the vote. They failed his own test test of independence and political courage. So bonjedi I am probably the last of the HC holdhouts who has finally decided regretably that I will vote for Sentor Obama in 2008 and HC in 2012. Took me a while, Palin and yesterday's vote to get there, but I am sure that many others will now agree that we have no other choice.

I will not vote for the Palin/McCain/Hoover ticket, enough said bonjedi?

Posted by: leichtman | September 30, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

If Obama, Biden or McCain were posed an off-the-cuff question, there would be no claims of "gotcha" journalism. If women are truly equal, why does Palin need to be protected by the big, bad media? I did an interview with the local paper when I ran for office - no hiding behind my gender. And while I did not enjoy it, I recognize that it is the media's job to ask questions. I fail to see McCain's point that Palin should be spared.

The fact of the matter is, the vice-president candidate has to be "on" 24 hours a day. That is how national politics works. If she can't put a sentence together for a scheduled interview, what the hell will happen if she is called upon to make a split decision in the White House?

Posted by: corridorg4 | September 30, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Virginia and America was founded on Christian beliefs. Fact-check with Henig's Statutes. The spelling is in old english so your spell check will go crazy.

Here is a small sample:

LAWS OF VIRGINIA,
MARCH, 1623-4 −−− 21st James 1st.


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This is the kind of mis-information and ignorance we are dealing with when conversing with the extreme right Xtian voter.

Thankfully, we do not live in some Jasmestownian Theocracy, but in the United States of America founded by Constitution in 1776.

Ignorance is not a sin, but willful ignorance is.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

All Biden has to do is after answering a question is turn to Palin and say, " I would like to hear Mrs. Palins views on the subject". Then just let her attempt to talk about things she has no idea about. The contrast will be shocking. What happened to her in the interview was she tried to just stick with catch phrases, I.E. John Mccain is a reformer" "John Mccain is a maverick standing up to his party"." John Mccain reaches across the aisle". These are great stump lines but all you have to do is ask her for a few examples. She just parrots out lines they give her that really don't mean anything to her. They can't teach her enough for her not to get tripped up. People know when you know what you are talking about and you don't.
You know, Howie Mandel would spout out a lot of medical jargon on St. Elsewhere but you would not want him operating on you. Palin is not a politician, she just plays one on TV.

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You guys are deluding yourselves if you think that;
A) The dems are scared about Bubbles Palin.
B) She will actually win this debate.

The dems are ecstatic with the bubbles pick as VP. It couldn't have been a better pick for us. And don't be surprised if Biden reduces her to tears and she runs off the stage bawling.

Come on guys, you all can't be that blinded or loony to see what's happening here. Running a campaign of fear will not work. People want hope and the Gop ticket is hopeless.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | September 30, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"Liberals advocate destructive morals and forced your agenda into our schools, churches and government."


So you are AGAINST science in the classroom and FOR religion in the classroom? Who's pushing an agenda? Everything has its place.


"With most of the media sharing the liberal values our country's decayed moral society has spread like a incurable cancer."
" Our children have a tough road ahead of them. The financial problem is a major problem created by greed and corruption. Moral decay of our society was created by far left Liberals."


Last time I checked it was the conservatives that held the majority of assets and positions of power in businesses in this country. Are you trying to blame the financial crisis on the poor, who have neither the power or the money to influence the system???

Posted by: AgnosticEngineer | September 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin Knows Foreign Policy

Look how close Alaska is to Russia!

Sarah Palin Knows Alaska Law Prohibits her from Taking a Position on Ballot Initiatives

But she violated the law and supports her friends in the mining industry who supported her.

Sarah Palin Knows Witchcraft

And got protection from it at her church!

Sarah Palin Knows Ethics Reform

And has accepted gifts valued at $25,367 from industry executives, municipalities and a cultural center whose board includes officials from some of the largest mining interests in the state.

Sarah Palin Knows the Banking Industry

She went to New York and saw lots of banks. She could even see Wall Street from her Holiday Inn Express room.

Sarah Palin Knows Ireland

She had a layover there once.

Sarah Palin Knows the Bush Doctrine

Isn’t it about shaving down there?

Sarah Palin Knows Iraq

She got close once and saw it.

Sarah Palin Knows Email Security

And thinks Yahoo.com is perfectly safe to conduct government business. Let’s hope Al Qaeda doesn’t find out!

Sarah Palin Knows Lies

And keeps repeating the same ones on the campaign trail, even though she’s already ADMITTED they’re lies.

Sarah Knows Global Warming

And thinks it’s a natural cycle on this 6000 year old planet!

Sarah Palin Knows Education

She’s been to 6 colleges in 6 years!

Sarah Palin Knows Executive Decisions

Having run a state with a population the size of Anaheim, CA for less than two years.

Sarah Palin Knows Government Waste

She collected 27 million dollars in earmarks while mayor of a 6000 person town in Alaska.

Sarah Palin Knows The Bridge to Nowhere

She said yes before she said no, and then kept the money!

Sarah Palin Knows Scams

And paid herself thousands of dollars in travel expenses to live at home.

Sarah Palin Knows State Business

And apparently so do her children, to the tune of a $50K+ travel and expenses tab picked up by the taxpayers.

Sarah Palin now knows Abstinence Only education doesn’t work.

Well, maybe she doesn’t. But she does think it’s the only sex education your children should learn.

Sarah Palin Knows Sexism

It’s sexist when it’s applied to her, but it’s not when it’s applied to Hillary.

Sarah Palin Knows Creationism

And wants to teach it to your children as an equally plausible alternative to the theory of evolution

Sarah Palin Knows Books

And wants to ban the ones she doesn’t like from your local library.

Sarah Palin Knows Rape and Incest

And believes the victims should be forced to bear the child.

Sarah Palin Really Knows Rape

And charged the women in her town for rape kits.

Sarah Palin Knows Welfare

Alaska receives more money from the Federal Government than any other state of the Union.

Sarah Palin Knows Country First

But she believes in Alaska First and supports a group that wants to secede from the Union.

Sarah Palin Knows George Bush

And wants to continue his policies for 4, 8? 12? 16? more years.


Sarah Palin

One 5-time face cancer, 72-year-old man heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Think about that when you go to the polls.


Posted by: lou1 | September 30, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry....was America founded in the 1600s? Really?

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain1 | September 30, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Virginia and America was founded on Christian beliefs. Fact-check with Henig's Statutes. The spelling is in old english so your spell check will go crazy.

Here is a small sample:

LAWS OF VIRGINIA,
MARCH, 1623-4 −−− 21st James 1st.



not to be for any temporal use whatsoever, and a place empaled in, sequestered only to the buryal of the dead. House of worship.

2. That whosover shall absent himselfe from divine service any Sunday without an allowable excuse shall firfeite a pound of tobacco, and he that absenteth himselfe a month shall forfeit 50lb. of tobacco. Penalty for being absent from church on Sunday.

3. That there be an uniformity in our church as neere as may be to the cannons in England; both in substance and circumstance, and that all persons yeild readie obedience unto them under paine of censure. To be an uniformity in the doctrine and discipline of the church.

4. That the 22d of March* be yeerly solemized as holliday, and all other hollidays (except when they fall two together) betwixt the feast of the annuntiation of the blessed virgin and St. Michael the arch-angell, then only the first to be observed by reason of our necessities. The 22d of March to be observed as a holiday.

5. That no minister be absent from his church above two months in all the yeare upon penalty of forfeiting halfe his means, and whosoever shall absent Penalty on ministers absenting themselves

http://vagenweb.org/hening/vol01-05.htm#page_121

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 30, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone say the media is attacking Sarah Palin based on the interviews we've seen so far?

I challenge any Palin supporter here to give one example of an "attacking" question asked by "Charlie", "Katie". Charlie's Bush Doctrine may have been a little bit of a trap, but it certainly wasn't an attack. If he'd asked her why she'd run up a $22 million debt as mayor of Wasilla, or why she'd increased spending 20% as Governor while vetoing spending on social programs, or commented on a ballot referendum despite a law prohibiting such, that might have been an attack.

Simple questions about subjects a candidate for national office should be well versed upon is not an attack. It's an attempt to see how much she knows. Which is evidently not very much. She is practically incoherent on the subject: she could not even remember the alleged briefings she got from the Alaskan Air Guard regarding interceptions of Russian jets off the coast of her state.

Face it: at this point in her career, she's a small town politician who's had a little bit of experience running a city of around 450,000 people. Nothing in her background suggests she's prepared to be anything more than a freshman senator. You simply can't cram years of study and reflection into a bunch of Powerpoint slides. And her academic record suggests that she may not be capable of grasping complicated issues at all no matter how long she tries to do so.

It's like expecting somebody who just got their learner's permit -- to drive a car -- to be copilot of a 747 on a transatlantic flight. With all of us strapped in behind her. The weather forecast is crapola. And the pilot is way past retirement age, is a cancer survivor, and went through some tough times 40 years ago.

You REALLY feel comfortable boarding that jet? Not me.

I don't know if she's able to be coherent Thursday night. My guess is that she will have rehearsed several canned answers, along with an introductory sentence steering away from the question she's asked. In other words, she'll be giving a speech in snippets, essentially ignoring the moderator and Biden's questions.


Oh by the way, responding to this post by attacking Obama's qualifications is an ad-hominem fallacy. Which suggests that you can't counter the assertions I just made.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 30, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If anyone thinks these so called polls are accurate, they better think again.Just because they ask a few hundred or thousand people does not make it so.Many people do not tell the truth,many polls are biased for one party,mostly Democrats.Many are taken in party strongholds, mostly Democratic.The questions also have a lot of spin involved.I believe there is a 6 to 12 percentage point differential in McCain's favor. This is due to the "Bradley effect" which will win the election for McCain.

Posted by: frankv | September 30, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Herewegoagain1:
Is that the best you can come up with?

How about this:
Rev. Wright (mentor)
Racist Church (20 yrs - no clue)
Bill Ayers (more of a friend than Obama admits)
Fannie and Freddie (so to be indicted)
Rezko (doing time)
Not to mention the upcoming investigation of Obama linked ACORN (voter fraud)
and a host of others not to time to mention..And this is going to be a world leader!!
Time to start thinking about building bomb shelters in our yard again!!

Posted by: velowl | September 30, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

To: JoeDBrown:

very very easy answer:
he is smart
she is stupid

any smart person can see it

Posted by: RASHOMON1 | September 30, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Here in Ohio, where we value sincerity, McCain is losing votes by the minute. Even the religious right who were willing to stomach McCain's lone ranger behavior because of his selection of Palin, are now abandoning McCain. The reason is McCain has lost credibility among all categories of people:

--the moderates don't trust him because of his selection of Palin, whose extremist views offend them, and

--the economic conservatives can't vote for him in good conscience because he supported the failed bailout and doesn't seem to have a grasp of the economy.

McPalin are doomed unless Palin pulls off a dramatic win in the VP debate. Even then McCain's next two debates are likely to further dampen voters' enthusiasm for him as the first one obviously did (see polls at http://realclearpolitics.com)

Posted by: DrSubtle | September 30, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

JoeDBrown | September 30, 2008 9:16 AM |....who wrote:

"I challenge anyone to give me definite, specific reasons why Obama's non-experience is better then her small experience or why Joe's non-accomplishments after 36 years are better then her limited accomplishments. Please no airy fluff. Facts.

I dare you."

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Well, the problem with Sarah Palin is not her inexperience but her lack of understanding. She cannot tell the difference between the Constitution and a bill (she mocked the Constitution on her Convention speech), she does not understand the financial crisis (see the interview with Couric), she cannot justify why she thinks abortion is always bad (god is not a reason for everyone) or why the US should go to war (she would to go to war with Russia!) She does not have any knowledge at all. She does not know about McCain´s Job in Congress, she cannot tell wether something is an interest conflict or not. She can only tell you how to take out the guts of a fish, a moose or a wolf and sure she can give you lessons on
fishing, moose and aereal wolf hunting, (she´d be better as a Secretary and not as a VP) And of course she knows lots by being a hockey mom, but I would bet she don´t even understand hockey.
An inexperienced person is not always the best choice, but against Miss Congeniality and Drama King McBush, I believe Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the best to put the Constitution and the Economy back in track, at least they are surrounded by intelligent people WITH experience... Would you trust Miss Congeniality your bank account? I won´t probably she spends it on rifles. Would you trust McCain your children? well probably he sells them, that is being Maverick!

Posted by: geraldinag | September 30, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

In saying that the president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job, I mean this: presidents are going to have depend on those with knowledge in foreign languages, advanced math, and in-depth knowledge of history. If we want someone truly qualified as President in all these areas, we would have to groom him or her at birth until, say, age 50.

Posted by: APalinFan | September 30, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

It was her intent to ban books, and that is the point. Then she abused her power by firing the librarian for standing up to her on principle. Sound familiar?

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain1 | September 30, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

THE PALIN PICK, THE BAILOUT AND THE DIMINUTION OF DEMOCRACY:
IS A SILENT COUP HAPPENING IN THE U.S.A?

• Could the Palin Phenomenon be a symptom of a seismic power grab that is transforming our government?

• Is the Palin selection part of a larger plan to seize control of the Executive Branch and make it beholden to another set of decision-makers -- unelected, entrenched, and in charge of the forces of power and control?

• Could the proposed $700 billion Wall Street bailout, on the heels of the federal takeover of more than half of the mortgage market via the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout, signal a turn toward autocratic control of the economy by hard-right conservatives who comprise the corporate/military/security complex -- what Eisenhower in his farewell address called the "military-industrial complex"?

• Could this seizure of economic control further the interests of those who are using government policy as "social engineering" to neutralize political opposition and transform society to suit their far-right ideology?

• Could this plan dovetail with recent reports from a Dutch newspaper that the U.S. is planning to strike Iran's nuclear facilities; and a report in the Army Times newspaper concerning the stateside deployment of a U.S. Army unit to handle "domestic disturbances" with "non-lethal weapons"?

• Could the fruition of the "Help America Vote Act," which led to the widespread use of electronic voting machines, the vast majority of which leave no voter-verified paper trail, also be part of this mosaic?

• Could John McCain's vacillations on the vice president issue and his eventual acquiescence to those who recommended Palin be part of a skillful campaign to influence and oversee his decision-making?

• Are we in the midst of a silent coup that is resulting in the loss of personal freedom via the extra-legal targeting of American citizens in an unconstitutional bypass of the judicial system, a denial of due process under the law?

• And is this power grab resulting in the emasculation of both Congress and the Judiciary, rendering those institutions little more than symbolic of power, when in fact power has been quietly usurped by unelected officials of entrenched institutions of power and control?

• Is anyone -- in the media, in Congress, in think tanks, in academia -- pondering these questions?

• If not, can we afford NOT to be asking these questions?

http://www.theocracywatch.org
http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener - "Gov't Agencies Support Domestic Terrorism"

Posted by: scrivener50 | September 30, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I am aghast at the polling numbers re Palin, especially after the interview with Katie Couric. What sort of denial are these Palin supporters in?
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Palin's support among right-wingers is steady because, like her, they want to impose their religious views on the country. That's why they like her. She's Tom DeLay in drag, Mike Huckabee in a skirt, Pat Robertson in pumps.
Don't forget the Supreme Court.

Xtianm right-wingers don't care about the Constitution or Law, just Armageddon. Why worry about laws when Jesus is going to come and wipe everything out and start anew?? That' their mind set, and that's why it is so dangerous for our country, if not the world. It is the flip side of Muslim extremism.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The unfettered grandiosity of Candidate John McCain: Why would anyone who is 72, whose father and grandfather died of sudden unexpected heart attacks at ages younger than him, select a Vice Presidential running mate, a potential President, who has no national or international political experience? We are at war. Is it because he has delusions of immortality? Is he willing to gamble with the future of the nation? McCain’s decision shows a lack of wisdom, judgment and awareness of his limitations and mortality. It is an act of madness, of unfettered grandiosity.

Posted by: jono1412 | September 30, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

No doubt, Mr. Cillizza, I think Palin looked most forceful in the newest interview with Couric when McCain wouldn't let her answer for herself. The mere fact that McCain/Palin had to sit down for a joint interview, coupled with their very sensical accusation that a Temple University student who deigned to ask Gov. Palin a question was practicing gotcha journalism, certainly seems like the beginning of a new and successful strategy for the campaign's "Palin Rollout 3.0." I wait with baited breath for the next stunt and/or gimmick.

Posted by: leedavid | September 30, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

According to people from CBS it gets worse. Watch tonight's segment. In one spot they are talking about Row v Wade and she is asked about other Supreme court decisions. She sits silent, she can't even make anything up she is so devoid of any knowledge. Other the RvW she can't name or discuss another Supreme court decision in history, not one.

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This is pathetic! Palin's performances are now deemed SO bad that Grampy McCain has to LITERALLY sit right beside her (a woman can't be trusted to handle such things alone) and correct her AS SHE IS SPEAKING! Unbelievable! And she is being interviewed by Katie Couric!

This is insulting. She can't be trusted to sit alone in an interview, but she is competent to be the leader of the free world?!?!

Expectations are so lowered for her for the debate, if she shows up and opens her mouth, GOPers will hail it as a victory.

I think at this point it won't be a "defensive crouch", it will be an offensive pitbull that shows up. Its all she has left. Expect platitudes, heavy sarcasm and an attack dog stance. What else is there? Nothing. There's no "there" there.

Posted by: JWAL1 | September 30, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

One of Palin's first "decisions" as mayor was to ban books from the town library. That ALONE should disqualify her from elective office at any level. A few weeks ago she had to ask someone 'What exactly does the Vice President do?' Any 7th grade civics student could answer that question.

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Palin didn't ban books. What she did do is ask the librarian how she could go about banning books, and the librarian replied that she couldn't.
Palin fired the librarian. She later reinstated her after huge protests.

Bad enough. But let's try and keep the record straight.

BTW, I give credit for her son cleaning up his act and joining the army. Good for him.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/uselectionroadtrip/2008/sep/30/uselections2008

Republicans monkey-wrenching the vote

In 2008, 3.5 million newly registered voters many of them minority and young voters energized by the Obama campaign, promise to strain the system with long lines and overburdened voting machines. Since these new voters could tip the scales against McCain in several key states, the GOP is already employing some bizarre tactics to further suppress their participation. A few examples:

• Taking advantage of the economic crisis, the chair of the Republican Party in Macomb County, in the battleground state of Michigan, has plans to use a list of foreclosed homes to question the eligibility of voters, many of them low-income, minority, Democratic voters. Since they can be challenged if they are not "true residents of the city or township" in which they try to vote, "We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren't voting from those addresses," the GOP chair told the Michigan Messenger. (A law firm specializing in foreclosures houses McCain's regional headquarters, and its founder has contributed more than $100,000 to McCain's campaign.) Republicans may also raise foreclosure-based challenges in Ohio and a host of other cities and states.

• Last week, a House committee held hearings on widespread discrimination against student voters who have registered in droves, a majority of them to support Obama. Efforts to discourage the youth vote have focused on the fact that many college students have two places of residence (school and their parents' home). One registrar in the county that is home to Virginia Tech warned new student voters that they could lose their insurance and scholarships if they registered using their school addresses (something that has never happened). Students at Colorado College received similar warnings, and in Michigan, the ACLU has sued to prevent the cancellation of voter registrations for individuals who get a driver's license in another state.

• Florida election officials have received dozens of calls from registered Democrats in the state, worried that there may be a problem with their voter registration. They had all received an official looking "Party Affiliation Voter Registration Card" from the McCain campaign, listing their name, district, and something called a "voter ID number" and identifying their party affiliation as Republican. Mailings meant to mislead or discourage voters are nothing new: In Ohio's crucial 2004 vote, some minority urban voters received fake voter bulletins that told Republicans to vote on Tuesday and Democrats to vote on Wednesday.

• For years, while Democrats complained of vote suppression, Republicans have countered with accusations of voter fraud, claiming that fake people, dead people, non-citizens, non-residents, and criminals are trying to vote. This largely mythological claim has nonetheless been effective in bringing about new barriers to voting in the name of preventing fraud. Just this year, the Supreme Court upheld an Indiana law that imposes strict photo ID requirements for voting. The law will disproportionately affect those least likely to have drivers' licenses, including the young and the elderly, poor people, minorities, and legal immigrants. In the Indiana primary in May, a dozen nuns in their eighties and nineties were turned away from the polls because they did not have valid photo identification.

Posted by: rrowleyarizona | September 30, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I am aghast at the polling numbers re Palin, especially after the interview with Katie Couric. What sort of denial are these Palin supporters in? Are they incapable of visualizing her in the Oval Office, in command of US armed forces, our relationships with the rest of the world? I am truely frightened when I see the number of blindly ignorant voters who could have the power to destroy our country by placing in office a dangerously unqualified candidate.

Posted by: kaycwagner | September 30, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

This is pathetic! Palin's performances are now deemed SO bad that Grampy McCain has to LITERALLY sit right beside her (a woman can't be trusted to handle such things alone) and correct her AS SHE IS SPEAKING! Unbelievable! And she is being interviewed by Katie Couric!

This is insulting. She can't be trusted to sit alone in an interview, but she is competent to be the leader of the free world?!?!

Expectations are so lowered for her for the debate, if she shows up and opens her mouth, GOPers will hail it as a victory.

I think at this point it won't be a "defensive crouch", it will be an offensive pitbull that shows up. Its all she has left. Expect platitudes, heavy sarcasm and an attack dog stance. What else is there? Nothing. There's no "there" there.

Posted by: JWAL1 | September 30, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Algibbs said: "Real conservatives are not questioning her"

Al, when people don't question things, that's a sign of TRUE ignorance and stupidity. Sarah doesn't question anything either, which is why she is so clueless about the world around her.

Blinding following, not questioning... reminds me of the mythical suicide of lemmings.

Posted by: mavisdarling | September 30, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

velowl,

One of Palin's first "decisions" as mayor was to ban books from the town library. That ALONE should disqualify her from elective office at any level. A few weeks ago she had to ask someone 'What exactly does the Vice President do?' Any 7th grade civics student could answer that question.

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain1 | September 30, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

You guys are deluding yourselves if you think that;
A) The dems are scared about Bubbles Palin.
B) She will actually win this debate.

The dems are ecstatic with the bubbles pick as VP. It couldn't have been a better pick for us. And don't be surprised if Biden reduces her to tears and she runs off the stage bawling.

Come on guys, you all can't be that blinded or loony to see what's happening here. Running a campaign of fear will not work. People want hope and the Gop ticket is hopeless.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | September 30, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I have more faith in Katie Couric as VP

Posted by: aliziad | September 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Palin and Obama are both light on experience. Period.

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Palin has some marginal experience (mayor of tiny town, governor of a state whose population is about the same as Raleigh NC) but her judgment is heavily flawed. She has experience but not very good experience. Her knowledge base is extremely limited and she has proven to be unable to learn quickly or handle herself (requiring McCain to babysit her in the last Couric interview).

Obama has long legislative experience. Deep knowledge base. Ran the Harvard Law Review. Taught Constitutional law. Is running one of the most brilliant and successful political campaigns in modern history.

There is absolutely no meaningful comparison between the charming hockey Mom and a seasoned and brilliant political leader.

now, THAT'S both objective and sane.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"She wants people to see and hear more of the original Sarah Palin," said one adviser to Palin who was granted anonymity to speak freely.

As an lifelong independent who votes in every election, let me point out the flaw in this advice.

Clearly Sarah Palin excels in the role of attack dog, however, a dog that is constantly barking soon becomes a nuisance. I am looking for something more than a nuisance as a Vice President. Sadly, I have not seen it yet on the Republican side.

Posted by: joe_bachofen | September 30, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Palin needs to get back to the tundra she is not qualified to be a heartbeat or pretzel choke away period. Her running mate Mc Same is a petulant knee jerker extraordinaire. Vote Hope America we need a CHNAGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN NOW. NO TIME TO WASTE.

Posted by: pedraza1 | September 30, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey JoeDBrown - do you triple dog dare me?

Posted by: Reader1000 | September 30, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

There are two kinds of people helping to ruin this country--liberals and neo-cons.

Baldwin/Castle '08! Uphold the Constitution!

Posted by: Alexandra73 | September 30, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Ihummer wrote:
"RobT1 wrote: The McCain campaign has been a defensive crouch since the beginning of the media onslaught against Palin but they need to get beyond it. The media will not stop trying to destroy her and so micromanaging every thing she says and does to try to appease it will not work.
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What is it about the Republican compulsion to always blame the media for their problems? How can you keep a straight face when you blame the media for Gov. Palin’s inability to put two intelligible sentences together? Maybe you haven’t seen the interview with Katie Couric."

In case anyone's missed it, this has been an extremely effective and long-term strategy by the Right in the U.S. By demonizing "The Media" as biased against them, they insulate the conservative base against conflicting points of view and themselves against criticism and oversight. If any critique or disclosure of wrongdoing can be dismissed as partisan, or ignored altogether, the GOP can operate without accountability to those it claims to serve - We the People. So far, so good, it seems.

Posted by: irae | September 30, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

To: JoeDBrown | September 30, 2008 9:16 AM |....who wrote:

"I challenge anyone to give me definite, specific reasons why Obama's non-experience is better then her small experience or why Joe's non-accomplishments after 36 years are better then her limited accomplishments. Please no airy fluff. Facts.

I dare you."

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Since you dare....

"It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.".

The above was Palin "verifying" her national security/foreign policy credentials in the Couric interview.

If you believe that Obama on his worst day would come close to intoning such gibberish you need to change your lenses.

Posted by: mendonsa | September 30, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

To Dungarees:
Why is it that people like you dismiss the fact that Barak Obama has even less experience than Gov. Palin? And he is running on the top side of the ticket. Sarah Palin had to actually make decisions, whether as a Mayor or Governor. Granted she may of not of governed the most populated state in the U.S., but remember Arkansas was no big state either and Bill was accepted. If you are going to base that opinion than Rudy Guilani should of been nominated. He governed a city with 10 million people and cleaned up NYC. Barak had to either vote, yea, neh or PRESENT. That is not decision making. He will prove to be a weak leader when he gets in which right now looks good. He may just do well dealing with Iran President Ahmadinejad face to face because they got one thing in common, they both support terrorists.

As for any V.P. if they have to take office you would hope that they will have a competent and experienced staff to give them the best advice to make difficult decisions.

Posted by: velowl | September 30, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse
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THE EXPERIENCE MYTH OF OBAMA

I have worked with the Obama campaign on a local level since December and have met and spoken with Obama numerous times. Anyone who thinks Obama is not prepared for the office of president does not know Barack Obama. I don't think the campaign has spoken about it, although there have been articles written, maybe because it may have seemed kind of presumptive doing all this so many months before he even had the nomination, but that is not how Obama works.
Little is left to chance. So here is what the deal is:

Does Obama have the experience to be president, is he ready? It would be hard to say anyone is ready to be president, but what prepares one for the job?

Obama has been getting ready when his nomination was still no more then a dream. Obama has an advisory staff of over a 300. Most all are the top people in their fields. 4 of his staff are the top people on middle east politics in the world. He has numerous people on pretty much everything you could think of from global warming to world economics to energy and foreign policy to the military. Generals to scholars you name it, he has been working with these people for more then a year. Obama is a brilliant man, who easily knows more right now then any candidate who ever ran for the office of president. He is so up to speed it is astounding. John Mccain does not know or grasp a fraction of what Obama does. Mccain is in effect, a dinosaur, compared to Obama now. Mccain has no real practical experience or understanding in many of these areas at all. Just being in Washington for many years does not necessarily make you an expert nor knowledgeable in "Anything".
Bill Clinton said it best when he said,
"No one is really prepared to be president".
He was right and Obama understood that better then anyone long before he even began his journey for the presidency. So for over a year he has been quietly preparing. Like anything such as being a doctor or lawyer or any profession, your first introduction is academic, you go to school. Obama will by no means be learning on the job, he has been in school for more then a year. When enters office, Obama will be the most well prepared and ready president to ever walk into the white house.
He will also be surrounded by the finest staff ever assembled by any president in history.

If you do not want to vote for Barack Obama I can respect that, but by no means think he is not ready to be president. He will be the most ready man to ever win the office.

Thanks for listening
A Florida Obama worker

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If you still need proof that she is unprepared to be president or even VP, then you are not paying any attention.

Posted by: jake14 | September 30, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

velowl wrote:
'Only thing I think John Adams didn't mention was liberalism because our country at his time had moral convictions and taught our children the value of good character and to be a God fearing people.'

Weren't John Adams and the Founding Fathers the liberals of their day? Not to mention the most educated of our struggling young nation's citizens. It's called progress, moving forward. And for those of you STILL stuck on the ridiculous notion that this nation was founded under the flag of Christianity, please take a history lesson. Here, I'll get you started: review the Tripoli Treaty, Article 11. "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

The Treaty was signed in 1797...by President John Adams.

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain1 | September 30, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

the dimocrats are scared sh!tless that many of their previous supporters (read women) will switch and vote Republican because of Palin ,

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LOL. That's rich.

Forget about indie or liberals, it's conservative women who are now abandoning Palin.

She'll hang on to her right-wing Xtian base, but that's about it.

Doesn't matter what she does on Thursday, the damage is already done.
She has proven herself incompetent for the job. As McCain has also just done during this economic crisis.

Now that the old wizard, McCain, has been revealed as just a charlatan politician, best she click her heels twice and get back to Wassila. Just repreat after me, Sarah, "There's no place like home, There's no place like home, There's no place like home."

We wish you well.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Lets have objective sanity for a moment...

Palin and Obama are both light on experience. Period. 18 months ago Palin was the mayor of a town of less than 10,000 people. That's not a full-time job in most towns in America. Obama has a few years in the Senate and about 18 months of prep. during the campaign bid. This is not great qualifying experience for President either. Biden / McCain are both long term senators, which also might not be fantastic prep. for the presidency.

At the end of the day, both McCain and Obama have different strengths and approaches. You should vote for the guy closest to your own, not against the other guy. After the election, the other guy won't be there... but if your guy wins, you'll own that for years.

Posted by: dullard | September 30, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Lets have objective sanity for a moment...

Palin and Obama are both light on experience. Period. 18 months ago Palin was the mayor of a town of less than 10,000 people. That's not a full-time job in most towns in America. Obama has a few years in the Senate and about 18 months of prep. during the campaign bid. This is not great qualifying experience for President either. Biden / McCain are both long term senators, which also might not be fantastic prep. for the presidency.

At the end of the day, both McCain and Obama have different strengths and approaches. You should vote for the guy closest to your own, not against the other guy. After the election, the other guy won't be there... but if your guy wins, you'll own that for years.

How many of you take responsibility for the current Administration, because you voted against... fill in the blank (McCain in 2000 primaries, Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004)

Posted by: dullard | September 30, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

To Dungarees:
Why is it that people like you dismiss the fact that Barak Obama has even less experience than Gov. Palin? And he is running on the top side of the ticket. Sarah Palin had to actually make decisions, whether as a Mayor or Governor. Granted she may of not of governed the most populated state in the U.S., but remember Arkansas was no big state either and Bill was accepted. If you are going to base that opinion than Rudy Guilani should of been nominated. He governed a city with 10 million people and cleaned up NYC. Barak had to either vote, yea, neh or PRESENT. That is not decision making. He will prove to be a weak leader when he gets in which right now looks good. He may just do well dealing with Iran President Ahmadinejad face to face because they got one thing in common, they both support terrorists.

As for any V.P. if they have to take office you would hope that they will have a competent and experienced staff to give them the best advice to make difficult decisions.

Posted by: velowl | September 30, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I challenge anyone to give me definite, specific reasons why Obama's non-experience is better then her small experience or why Joe's non-accomplishments after 36 years are better then her limited accomplishments. Please no airy fluff. Facts.

I dare you.
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Easy enough JoeDBrown, He's not stupid. Anyone would rather have smart and inexperienced over someone experienced at being stupid.

Posted by: ObamaWins1 | September 30, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of ineptitude, if Palin is elected, I will run a white monkey next time. And, as long as it dances to the organ grinder's tune, it too can represent the Republican party. Lockstep in stilettos. Lovely.

Posted by: Tourist | September 30, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I have always been taught that being educated and intelligent were keys to succeeding in this country. Apparently not.

What bothers me is that Palin has a degree in JOURNALISM and she still does not know how to act in front of a camera, speak intelligibly or communicate effectively. I mean, I know it took her a while to get the degree, but all the more reason she should be able to handle the "elite media".

Furthermore, I don't want a President or VP that's just like me. When did being intelligent and articulate become a bad thing? I mean, can anyone take this woman seriously? In response to Couric's question about Russia's proximity to Alaska, "They are in the state--that I am the executive of." What in the heck does that mean?!

Posted by: DinahS | September 30, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Expectations? You mean there ARE actually any expectations for Sarah Palin in Thursday's debate? It's truly sad that the bar has been set so low for her and very freightening, too. John McCain is 72 years old. He has battled melanoma, one of the deadliest forms of skin cancer, more than once. The job of President of the US is arguably the most stressful job of all time. Given these three factors, I highly doubt he will live out one term in office. If the McCain/Palin ticket is elected, I believe Sarah Palin will become president and that concept scares me. It is an issue ALL voters need to seriously consider before voting. The debate on Thursday is critical for demonstrating how well she understands the issues and how quickly she can think on her feet, as she would be required to if she is elected. I hope to be proved wrong about her but I also hope that she is not treated any differently on Thursday than any other VP candidate.

Posted by: JLF03 | September 30, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"Palin will do fine in the debate. She did OK in portions of an Alaska governors debate that I saw on C-SPAN. She's not a policy wonk. So what. The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job."

Sorry, this isn't a job for amateurs, we need someone who has the qualities you deride, not just a run-of-the-mill someone like us type. Maybe you are willing to roll the dice and give a minor bird a chance, but I am not. Why wouldn't you want someone who has a grasp of the issues, how government works, and what is going on in the world? Do you feel those are not qualifications for a leader? Wouldn't you want the best surgeon if you needed surgery? Or a qualified contractor if you were having your house built? Why would you want anything less from someone pulling the leavers of power at the White House?

Posted by: Spodeworld | September 30, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Expectations? You mean there ARE actually any expectations for Sarah Palin in Thursday's debate? It's truly sad that the bar has been set so low for her and very freightening, too. John McCain is 72 years old. He has battled melanoma, one of the deadliest forms of skin cancer, more than once. The job of President of the US is arguably the most stressful job of all time. Given these three factors, I highly doubt he will live out one term in office. If the McCain/Palin ticket is elected, I believe Sarah Palin will become president and that concept scares me. It is an issue ALL voters need to seriously consider before voting. The debate on Thursday is critical for demonstrating how well she understands the issues and how quickly she can think on her feet, as she would be required to if she is elected. I hope to be proved wrong about her but I also hope that she is not treated any differently on Thursday than any other VP candidate.

Posted by: JLF03 | September 30, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I have always been taught that being educated and intelligent were keys to succeeding in this country. Apparently not.

What bothers me is that Palin has a degree in JOURNALISM and she still does not know how to act in front of a camera, speak intelligibly or communicate effectively. I mean, I know it took her a while to get the degree, but all the more reason she should be able to handle the "elite media".

Furthermore, I don't want a President or VP that's just like me. When did being intelligent and articulate become a bad thing? I mean, can anyone take this woman seriously? In response to Couric's question about Russia's proximity to Alaska, "They are in the state--that I am the executive of." What in the hell does that mean?!

Posted by: DinahS | September 30, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"...conservatives are not the ones who sqwawk and make a lot of noise. We just show up on election day."

... and post comments on web sites.

Posted by: nickurfe | September 30, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"...conservatives are not the ones who sqwawk and make a lot of noise. We just show up on election day"

... and post comments on web sites.

Posted by: nickurfe | September 30, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Like it or not this stuff is out there and more seems to be coming. The rumors of Palin and her husbands current drug use that may come out once they confirm something I believe is a deal breaker. I have lived in Alaska and there is nothing I would not believe, It is a state of whackos and misfits.


FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S, THEY NOW BRINGS YOU: "TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.


The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!
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SARAH PALIN LOVER REVEALED!

In a world exclusive The NATIONAL ENQUIRER names GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin's secret lover!

No less than three members of the man’s family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with hus band Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson.

These sources have named Hanson as Palin’s secret love, and say their affair nearly wrecked both their marriages.

Hanson owned a snowmobile dealership with Palin’s husband Todd, who immediately dissolved the partnership after he heard stories about the affair, which occurred around 1996, according to the sources. At the time, Palin was mayor of Wasilla.

Palin has vehemently de nied cheating on her hus band, and Hanson insisted to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER that he was never romantically in volved with the 44-year-old Republican vice presiden tial candidate.

However, Hanson family insider, Jim Burdett, has gone on the record and passed a rigorous polygraph test, revealing de tails of the affair to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER in a world exclusive interview.

Burdett is a former brother-in-law of Hanson’s estranged wife Carolyn's brother, Craig Batton, and still speaks with many family members.

“I’ve known about Brad having had an affair for a long time, but it wasn’t until just recently that I learned his affair was with Sarah Palin,” Burdett told The NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

“Sarah was elected mayor of Wasilla, Brad became a city council member in the nearby town of Palmer, and they started an affair.

“Todd found out about the affair and was so mad he broke up their partnership at the snowmobile dealership,” Burdett claimed.

Another source, who preferred to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions, provided The NATIONAL ENQUIRER with a sworn affidavit attesting to the Palin-Hanson story.

“Todd was away on business a lot and Sarah felt lonely. Brad was a good listener, and Sarah talked to him at length. Eventually, she real ized she was falling in love with him,” one insider divulged.

“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.”

For the full story and exclusive details of the shocking allegations of Sarah Palin’s affair pick up the latest issue of the NATIONAL ENQUIRER!

Posted by: popasmoke | September 30, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

It seems inconceivable that a patriotic conservative Republican could actually vote for an aging, reckless hazardeur and a hopelessly underqualified hockey mom. Leaving national security and the fate of 300 million people in the hands of this irresponsible pair is a dangerous horror szenario that spells DISASTER.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | September 30, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Aren't Condolezza Rice, Christine Whitman, and Kay Bailey Hutchison far more qualified?

Oh, but they didn't choose to not have an abortion in a situation where 90% of women would.

Posted by: GregCleveland | September 30, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The joint interview was even WORSE than Palin-only interview. McCain's facial expressions were painful, Palin cringed at the first question and could hardly get a complete sentence out without running on into something else. At one point McCain actually tried to rescue her from Couric.

She keeps talking about blessing and privilege - she must think this is just another pageant, and she just has to look confident and win another trophy.

She doesn't know McCain - but worse, she knows almost nothing about America beyond the fewer-than-one-million Alaskans.

Posted by: practica1 | September 30, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

This column and the liberal dimwits that are posting here are really laughable. It's the old "whistling through the graveyard" trick. the dimocrats are scared sh!tless that many of their previous supporters (read women) will switch and vote Republican because of Palin , that they are pulling out all of the stops in an attempt to diminish her.Real conservatives are not questioning her , or leaving the party because of her. She will be a net plus in November and the Dems know it!
The real poll on November 4 is going to leave the libdems screaming "they stole another election" all over again! LMAO

Posted by: algibbs | September 30, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Evidently the worse, or best, is yet to come. Katie asked Palin about Supreme Court decisions other than Roe vs. Wade. Palin greeted this question with a nervous, complete silence and a deer in the headlights gaze into the camera.

Posted by: fatboysez | September 30, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Wow, The WP trying to write about conservatives. These guys wouldn't know a conservative if it sat in their lap and called them mama! The conservative base is firmly behind Gov. Palin and Sen. McCain. What the left is afraid of is the fact that the conservatives are not the ones who sqwawk and make a lot of noise. We just show up on election day. It is something that polls cannot quantify.

Posted by: ConservativeChristian | September 30, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"Palin will do fine in the debate. She did OK in portions of an Alaska governors debate that I saw on C-SPAN. She's not a policy wonk. So what. The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job."

Sorry, this isn't a job for amateurs, we need someone who has the qualities you deride, not just a run-of-the-mill someone like us type. Maybe you are willing to roll the dice and give a minor bird a chance, but I am not. Why wouldn't you want someone who has a grasp of the issues, how government works, and what is going on in the world? Do you feel those are not qualifications for a leader? Wouldn't you want the best surgeon if you needed surgery? Or a qualified contractor if you were having your house built? Why would you want anything less from someone pulling the leavers of power at the White House?

Posted by: Spodeworld | September 30, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Are we electing a vice-president or a TV personality? Do you have to be a 36 year do nothing senator and Washington insider to be vice president? Isn't old Joe one of the guys who made the current mess or was he asleep?

Neither Obama or Biden have executive experience of any kind. Obama has no foreign policy experience. His two years in the senate have been spent running for president. He is an admitted drug user and belonged to a racist church for 20 years but never heard any thing. Obama has been to all 57 states. Biden has been in the senate since 1972. His accomplishments are? Biden was caught cheating in law school and plagiarizing his senate speeches. He is a failed presidential candidate and a gaffe machine.Neither Obama and Biden have had a real, adult, non-political job in their lives.

I think our political system is hopelessly corrupt. I agree with Ayn Rand that our system consists of two gangs fighting over the levers of power and when they get their hands on them they use them to beat up on the other gang and steal all of us blind.

Having said that I am dumbfounded by the lefts love affair with the messiah and the hair plug. How goofy or dishonest are you and how much of your intelligence and independent thought are you willing to surrender?

Palin is, objectively, the least corrupt and objectionable person in this race. But, maybe I am wrong.

I challenge anyone to give me definite, specific reasons why Obama's non-experience is better then her small experience or why Joe's non-accomplishments after 36 years are better then her limited accomplishments. Please no airy fluff. Facts.

I dare you.

Posted by: JoeDBrown | September 30, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I can't help but be amused by the mental contortions people have to perform in order to defend Sarah Palin:

"The McCain campaign crammed her head full of too much information"-hilarious, maybe if McCain had chosen someone who actually knew something (anything), this wouldn't be a problem. For God's sake, most college freshmen have a better grasp on foreign policy than Sarah Palin does.

"She's only having problems because the media keep attacking her"-you're kidding, right? The reason the media exist in an election cycle is to illuminate the candidates' views and skills. Of course, they don't always do a perfect job. But asking questions of a person who may very well have to step up and become "leader of the free world" does not constitute an attack. Trying to determine if the woman knows what she's talking about is not an attack. It's the Fourth Estate doing its job. The media have been shining the glaring spotlight on the other candidates involved in this race too, and somehow, the other candidates are able to form coherent sentences. The fact that Sarah Palin cannot is not the media's fault.

"The President and Vice President are supposed to be 'one of us'"-what exactly does that even mean? What constitutes "one of us"? Sarah Palin represents the lowest common denominator in our society-someone who is willfully ignorant and scorns those who have educated themselves as elitist. If that's what it means to be "one of us", I don't want to be one of us, and I sure as hell don't want my president or vice president to be one of us.

Posted by: ASinMoCo | September 30, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"Moral decay of our society was created by far left Liberals."

Without far-left Liberals, Sarah Palin wouldn't even have the right to vote, let alone run for national office to save our society from far left liberals...

Posted by: Rachelva | September 30, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Palin has problems to be sure but not a Conservative problem.. yet. Most of the conservatives I know; those who follow Rush and O'Reilly and Hannity and the like barely know who Kathleen Parker is. Moreover, she leapt onto the Palin bandwagon with great abandon and just as quickly fell off it. Her credibility is next to nothing and her authority on the matter is nothing.

Romney (that craven, say-anything-to-win nitwit) and Krystol are right; Palin came from nowhere with 50+ days to go. She has to be put on the spot as much as possible and grilled to gain credibility as the heir apparent for the next four years.

With all that said, Palin is coming aboard with a lot of baggage and handling that baggage poorly. The invetigations into her professional ethics are not going her way and her attempts to steamroll those investigations do not help. Palin reminds me very much of an odd mix of Bush and Cheney. The LAST thing this moderate Repub wants is another Bush or Cheney much less the worst qualities of both.

It was an interesting pick Sen McCain. Would that she was more than a pretty wrapping around a poor interpretation of the Bible.

Posted by: turnbulld | September 30, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

No one can argue that they are times when Palin simply does not know the answer to a question and she gets into trouble whenever she tries to BS her way through answering the question. (Of course when this happens the McCain camp and their supporters cry "gotcha" journalism.) However, Palin struggles the most whenever she is asked a "follow up" question. That is Palin's achilles' heel.

I'm willing to bet anybody that come Thursday's debate you can count on, one, Palin will provide a lot of "zingers" in her responses in an effort to get under Biden's skin. And, two, whenever the moderator asks Palin a follow up question, Palin will struggle in her responses.

Posted by: dauphins | September 30, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The decay of our country dates back to liberals entering their voice and opinion in our government.

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Funny. That's what King George said about the colonists in the 1760's.

The real corrosion began with Tricky Dick and the attempt to subvert the Constitution. It has reached epic proportions with Bozo Bush who introduced torture, eavesdropping and betraying American spies.

Palin is exactly what the founding fathers did not want...a barely intelligible human being who seeks to impose a particular religious viewpoint upon the impartiality and rationality of human law.

It is the destruction of LAW which will be our undoing, not moral lapses.
And so it has been in every society.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Gee

I guess I am one of the 15% of conservative Republicans who think that Palin is a fool and poltroon who will probably cost McCain my vote this fall. Mickey Mouse looks really good as a write in at this point. Even Pluto looks better then these two candidates.

Posted by: chet_brewer | September 30, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

What does it mean to "let Sarah be Sarah"? Is she so weak and incapable of acting for herself that she is not even "herself" in interviews? Isn't this view itself incredibly sexist? She's not a helpless victim. She's participating and contributing to this campaign. Or are you Republicans really saying that this whole campaign is controlled by old white men, and Sarah must do their bidding?

I guess I can't keep straight exactly who you are accusing of sexism anymore.

Posted by: ethel08 | September 30, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm not interested in Governor Palin being a bulldog or a pitbull, and I'm not interested in her being a quick learner. What I'm concerned about is simply, should the situation occur, will she be qualified to assume the presidency? Not will she be able to fill the position, not "if given time and 'she follows the guidance of President McCain's staff' she'll do fine", but will she be ready to assume the Presidency on January 20th (in any way other than being elected)?

So far, based on what little her party and her supporters have said, she hasn't demonstrated that she would be ready.

For all those that say she has demonstrated great executive experience and ability as both a mayor (of a city the size of some housing projects - or smaller - in other cities) and governor (of a state with approximately the same number of people as the city of Baltimore), one of her first mayorial functions was to hire a city manager to run the city day-to-day, a city for which many of the local operations were done by outside agencies. To compare her experience to that of Senator Obama is pointless because Senator Obama - like him or not, agree with him or not, has been vetted through a long period of primaries and his public record and positions reported on; in the case of Governor Palin (vice presidential candidate Palin), she is an unknown who was selected, not by the party, but by Senator McCain, with relatively little background information and limited vetting; the public has a distinct right to want to know the thinking of someone who could easily be required to assume the presidency (Senator McCain being both older than previous candidates and with a medical history of concern).

Thus far, other than a lot of "Sarah rocks", and anti-Senator Obama rhetoric, I haven't seen very much that is encouraging or positive about the Vice Presidential candidate. I'd like to, but I'd like to know it BEFORE the election; not after.

Posted by: Dungarees | September 30, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

No one can argue that they are times when Palin simply does not know the answer to a question and she gets into trouble whenever she tries to BS her way through answering the question. (Of course when this happens the McCain camp and their supporters cry "gotcha" journalism.) However, Palin struggles the most whenever she is asked a "follow up" question. That is Palin's achilles' heel.

I'm willing to bet anybody that come Thursday's debate you can count on, one, Palin will provide a lot of "zingers" in her responses in an effort to get under Biden's skin. And, two, whenever the moderator asks Palin a follow up question, Palin will struggle in her responses.

Posted by: dauphins | September 30, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

The ship has sunk - but the passengers are in a life boat. We need a freshman Senator to drive the boat. ...............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/30/the-titanic-usa-is-sinking-passengers-are-in-life-boats/

Posted by: glclark4750 | September 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

McCain's choice of Palin is evidence of one thing only-- that is, that nothing gets done in the Republican party at this political level without the blessing of the Evangelicals. McCain wanted somebody sensible (I use the term extremely loosely here) like Romney, Lieberman, whatever-- but he had to get the endorsement of the gun nut, Jesus freak set so voila! Sarah Palin is born.

It is total nonsense that he had to pick her because he wanted a woman to shake up the race--there are well qualified women in the party such as Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins--even that nut Kay Bailey Hutchins would have been preferable to such a mounumentally unqualified person.

The reason that she can't answer the questions posed to her from the media is that she has never thought about the issues before--some things you just can't teach in a crash course on world affairs.

Posted by: worthin2 | September 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

For all the folks who say, "We love Palin, we identify with Sarah cuz she's just a normal mom"...are you paying attention to the fact that Sarah Palin doesn't seem to care one way or the other whether her children ATTEND SCHOOL? I've been hearing quiet rumblings about this on other message boards and at first couldn't believe it: Sarah's kids are on the trail with her?? Willow in Philadelphia having cheesesteak when she should be learning how to divide fractions?

At least the two Obama girls are where they should be, attending classes.

I mean, we know that the older girl, Bristol, missed almost the entire last year of high school (whether or not this is the 'smoking gun' that Bristol was pregnant before). But what's with this business of the younger kids skipping out on their education?

I'm sorry, but Sarah's actions of promoting truancy say more about Sarah Palin's "values" -- or lack thereof -- than all the talking she could do.

We need to get the media noticing this.
Where is the outrage?

Posted by: sphillips250 | September 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

liberals are not smart enough
to see how ignorant they are.
a real enigma.

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How is that enigmatic?

It's the human condition.

Now, do you have anything meaningful to contribute to the discussion?

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Thursday, Prime Time.
I bet over 100 million
viewers, and the last
chance for a game changer.
I think Dem's are sweating'

Posted by: USA3 | September 30, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

You liberals have the gall to challenge Sarah Palin's values!! The decay of our country dates back to liberals entering their voice and opinion in our government. Liberals advocate destructive morals and forced your agenda into our schools, churches and government. With most of the media sharing the liberal values our country's decayed moral society has spread like a incurable cancer. Our society and government has just entered a phase where democracy is on the threshold of destroying itself. If you historians remember John Adams quoting "Democracy will never last and it will eventually commit suicide". Well I couldn't agree anymore. Only thing I think John Adams didn't mention was liberalism because our country at his time had moral convictions and taught our children the value of good character and to be a God fearing people. Our children have a tough road ahead of them. The financial problem is a major problem created by greed and corruption. Moral decay of our society was created by far left Liberals.

Posted by: velowl | September 30, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Palin will do fine in the debate. She did OK in portions of an Alaska governors debate that I saw on C-SPAN. She's not a policy wonk. So what. The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job.

Posted by: APalinFan | September 30, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Palin will do fine in the debate. She did OK in portions of an Alaska governors race debate that I saw on C-SPAN. She's not a policy wonk. So what. The president or vice-president is one of us, not a philosopher statesman groomed at birth for the job.

Posted by: APalinFan | September 30, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Chris, you're getting more looney by the column.

Posted by: taid | September 30, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Romney is a Democrat,
he changed parties when
he saw an opportunity
to suceed as a Repub,
as is Mayor Guiliani.
Ok, Even McCain is a
'borderline' Republican.
SO this makes republicans
'cling to their guns and religion
and Sarah'

Posted by: USA3 | September 30, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm not interested in Governor Palin being a bulldog or a pitbull, and I'm not interested in her being a quick learner. What I'm concerned about is simply, should the situation occur, will she be qualified to assume the presidency? Not will she be able to fill the position, not "if given time and 'she follows the guidance of President McCain's staff' she'll do fine", but will she be ready to assume the Presidency on January 20th (in any way other than being elected)?

So far, based on what little her party and her supporters have said, she hasn't demonstrated that she would be ready.

For all those that say she has demonstrated great executive experience and ability as both a mayor (of a city the size of some housing projects - or smaller - in other cities) and governor (of a state with approximately the same number of people as the city of Baltimore), one of her first mayorial functions was to hire a city manager to run the city day-to-day, a city for which many of the local operations were done by outside agencies. To compare her experience to that of Senator Obama is pointless because Senator Obama - like him or not, agree with him or not, has been vetted through a long period of primaries and his public record and positions reported on; in the case of Governor Palin (vice presidential candidate Palin), she is an unknown who was selected, not by the party, but by Senator McCain, with relatively little background information and limited vetting; the public has a distinct right to want to know the thinking of someone who could easily be required to assume the presidency (Senator McCain being both older than previous candidates and with a medical history of concern).

Thus far, other than a lot of "Sarah rocks", and anti-Senator Obama rhetoric, I haven't seen very much that is encouraging or positive about the Vice Presidential candidate. I'd like to, but I'd like to know it BEFORE the election; not after.

Posted by: Dungarees | September 30, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

This interview is too painful to watch.
She seemed to winging the questions. Like
an IBM salesperson who do not know the product.

Posted by: kenny4 | September 30, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

What alarms me is that so much is hinging on one debate! Does it mean that if Palin does well in ONE debate, she is going to be ready to take over responsibility for this country? Remember, McCain is not only a cancer survivor but also a member of my generation! What if McCain were to die in office? Can you imagine Sarah trying to resolve our economic crisis? How foolish can we get? And I am amazed that current Republicans and "self-identified conservatives" (previously members of my “political” family) would risk the welfare of our country for partisan's sake. As a Christian, I don't accept their biases as a reason for throwing our country away and placing its future in the hands of someone who is less informed about world events than is my young granddaughter. In many ways, they do embarrass me. They are not only going to lose this election, they are going to lose the respect of all patriotic Americans!

Posted by: Formerrepublican | September 30, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

liberals are not smart enough
to see how ignorant they are.
a real enigma.

Posted by: USA3 | September 30, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"The fact that 85% of Conservatives"...

...that should read "85% of Conservative fundamentalists"

Posted by: corporatemediawatcher | September 30, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

There are far too many other competent Republicans that could do the VP job (man or woman). Palin is way out of her league and those who support her, support what could be another 4 years (or worse) of the Bush administration.

The same administration that touts 'it's my way or the highway'. We need leaders (with the knowledge) who can handle issues that we are facing today.

And being able to see Russia from your house does not automatically give you foreign policy experience. I can see a headquarters of a Fortune 500 company from my house by it doesn't mean I can run it.

Posted by: ssanford00 | September 30, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

"(Is it just us or has Couric been kicking ass in the last few weeks?)"

Palin's response to the question Couric asked about the financial mess ("should the 700bil be given to Americans instead of invested in a bailout?")--the one that drew such derision from Cafferty ("pathetic!")--was actually quite tame. I thought Couric was really trying to give Palin a softball question that would resonate with Palin's fans. It wasn't that difficult, and a number of simple answers could be given, any of which would have sounded concerned and intelligent. But Palin's response was simply incoherent. Just a melange of every talking point and sound bite her handlers had tried to get her to remember since the coronation--er, convention. What's really scary is that SNL Fey's reconstruction of that passage wasn't at all difficult, not even comedic; all she had to do was repeat word for word what Palin said. It was glossolalia, pure and simple. Maybe she was still under the influence of those witch and python spirits, who knows, but can ANYONE really think of her as a potential president?

Posted by: Tokyoite | September 30, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign has been a defensive crouch since the beginning of the media onslaught against Palin but they need to get beyond it. The media will not stop trying to destroy her and so micromanaging every thing she says and does to try to appease it will not work.
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What is it about the Republican compulsion to always blame the media for their problems? How can you keep a straight face when you blame the media for Gov. Palin’s inability to put two intelligible sentences together? Maybe you haven’t seen the interview with Katie Couric.

Posted by: lhummer | September 30, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Rob T1: I don't understand the argument that the media is working so hard to dig up dirt on Palin. As someone new, the media wants to find out about her to report to the public. Simple. What they found, on the surface, was Troopergate, book banning, seeing Russia, pregnant daughter (whom she brought to the convention), extremist church, etc. Very little digging involved.

Just Google Palin and the Alaska Independence Party---which I did to verify what was being said---and there you have her speech wishing them well and an actual AIP meeting saying how she had been a member. Easy, and I am not a reporter, just someone who likes to check things out. If none of it were true, we would be reading about other things about Sarah. Unfortunately, we are not.

Posted by: kathleenrjohnson | September 30, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I've read that Palin plans to play attack dog at the debate, a pitbull at a dog fight. Great. McCain's hostile, condescending attitude cost him his debate, you'd think his camp would get a clue. Not! If Palin comes off bullyish and nasty, chalk up debate #2 for the Dems.

Posted by: corporatemediawatcher | September 30, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

It's kind of pathetic that Palin needed to have a followup interview with McCain there to hold her hand and answer questions for her. And McCain's dismissal of Palin's Pakistan answer as a "gotcha" question was completely ridiculous. It was an ordinary person, a non-journalist college student, who asked her a straight question. And there wasn't any hesitancy, ambiguity or confusion about her answer, which totally and conspicuously contradicted a major point that McCain had made the previous night in the debate. (Didn't she watch the debate?) If she can't answer a question like that without screwing up, she's simply not qualified to be vice-president.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | September 30, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Posted by: walker1 | September 30, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

RobT1 wrote: The McCain campaign has been a defensive crouch since the beginning of the media onslaught against Palin but they need to get beyond it. The media will not stop trying to destroy her and so micromanaging every thing she says and does to try to appease it will not work.
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What is it about the Republican compulsion to always blame the media for their problems? How can you keep a straight face when you blame the media for Gov. Palin’s inability to put two intelligible sentences together? Maybe you haven’t seen the interview with Katie Couric.

Posted by: lhummer | September 30, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

The fact that 85 % of Conservatives still support this joke of a candidate speaks volumes about their intelligence, and shows how little they truly care about our nation. As long as it's one of them they'll let anything slide. From Pill Popping Rush Limbaugh to the mens room stalls.....What a bunch of HYPOCRITES.

Posted by: F7711 | September 30, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

The fact that 85 % of Conservatives still support this joke of a candidate speaks volumes about their intelligence, and shows how little they truly care about our nation. As long as it's one of them they'll let anything slide. From Pill Popping Rush Limbaugh to the mens room stalls.....What a bunch of HYPOCRITES.

Posted by: F7711 | September 30, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

The fact that 85 % of Conservatives still support this joke of a candidate speaks volumes about their intelligence, and shows how little they truly care about our nation. As long as it's one of them they'll let anything slide. From Pill Popping Rush Limbaugh to the mens room stalls.....What a bunch of HYPOCRITES.

Posted by: F7711 | September 30, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"These independent voters are likely to be influenced by the conventional wisdom of the chattering class."

Give me a break, and stop being so patronizing.

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Thank you. The only one influenced by the "chattering class" is Chris himself. Not an original thought or insight in many of his latest blogs.

Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

The fact that 85 % of Conservatives still support this joke of a candidate speaks volumes about their intelligence, and shows how little they truly care about our nation. As one as it's one of "them" they'll let anything slide. From Pill Popping Rush Limbaugh to the mens room stalls.....What a bunch of HYPOCRITES.

Posted by: F7711 | September 30, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I for one can't believe you thought Gov. Palin to be "more forceful" in her joint interview (with McCain) with Katie Couric. She hemmed and hawed regarding the question of cross-border incursions into Pakistan. And, you completely missed McCain's hot headedness - in defending Palin and blaming the media for her direct answer to a voter's question regarding Pakistan - once again rearing its head. Lastly, why is it that you and others are somehow surprised by Couric's skills as an interviewer? She is infinitely better than any of the guys (all guys, all white, all the time) assigned the tasks of interviewing any members of either ticket. It's a bigger shame that Bryant Gumbel, with whom Couric worked and learned from for years, isn't being utilized by any medium, be it network or cable.

Posted by: achaprack | September 30, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

The McCain Campaign should let Sarah be Sarah. They crammed her with facts and then only let her have 3 interviews. Obama has been campaigning for 2 years now and has memorized all these facts cold although his brain seems to be stuck in 2nd Gear a lot if there's not a Telepromptor in front of him. Let Sarah be Sarah and she'll be fine. She has Executive experience at the Governor and Mayoral level, was a member of the city council, and cleaned up corruption in the Republican Party in Alaska. Let her be herself and she'll be fine.

Posted by: Tom22 | September 30, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

The McCain Campaign should let Sarah be Sarah. They crammed her with facts and then only let her have 3 interviews. Obama has been campaigning for 2 years now and has memorized all these facts cold although his brain seems to be stuck in 2nd Gear a lot if there's not a Telepromptor in front of him. Let Sarah be Sarah and she'll be fine. She has Executive experience at the Governor and Mayoral level, was a member of the city council, and cleaned up corruption in the Republican Party in Alaska. Let her be herself and she'll be fine.

Posted by: Tom22 | September 30, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

The McCain camp has fixed some problems. Todd has complained about not seeing enough of Sarah so Cindy is babysitting the kids at the Arizona ranch so Todd and Sarah can have some quality time together during breaks in the debate coaching.

Posted by: ericmiami42 | September 30, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

A renewed approach started [Monday] with a commanding performance wrapping up her commitment to Katie Couric and CBS." (Palin was more forceful in her co-interview with McCain yesterday with Couric.)

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"commanding performance"??

That's like saying you wrote a insightful column above. This is just rehashed news and viewpoints from yesterday's newspapers, except for the "commanding performance" idiocy.

You're becoming the Palin of internet journalists.


Posted by: wpost4112 | September 30, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

The McCain Campaign should let Sarah be Sarah. They crammed her with facts and then only let her have 3 interviews. Obama has been campaigning for 2 years now and has memorized all these facts cold although his brain seems to be stuck in 2nd Gear a lot if there's not a Telepromptor in front of him. Let Sarah be Sarah and she'll be fine. She has Executive experience at the Governor and Mayoral level, was a member of the city council, and cleaned up corruption in the Republican Party in Alaska. Let her be herself and she'll be fine.

Posted by: Tom22 | September 30, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

By Thursday night, Sarah will know how to spell potato and will know who the President of Russia is. She's a fast learner. Look how quick it took her to get her journalism degree.

Posted by: hamishdad | September 30, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

The Palin problem won't go away, even if she walks on water during the deabte. She is woefully in over her head and voters understand what a cynical ploy this was on McCain's part (as was his flight to DC to help negotiate the bailout). McCain/Palin have lost the ear of the public at this point and it's doubtful they will get it back..

Posted by: MadameSelena | September 30, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"These independent voters are likely to be influenced by the conventional wisdom of the chattering class."

Give me a break, and stop being so patronizing.

Isn't possible that independent voters are making judgments on their own, based on what they've been able to see of Palin thus far? Granted, she hasn't been seen much, but I think independent voters are capable of gathering the information they do have and making choices.

I don't think David Brooks and Kathleen Parker are involved in their decisions.

Posted by: ethel08 | September 30, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

By Thursday night, Sarah will know how to spell potato and will know who the President of Russia is. She's a fast learner. Look how quick it took her to get her journalism degree.

Posted by: hamishdad | September 30, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Is it any wonder Sarah Palin's seemed defensive and unsure of herself recently? Ever since McCain announced her as his running mate the media have been after her like a pack of rabid wolves. Their intent is to destroy her. How dare the Republicans put a woman on their ticket. Only a Democrat is allowed to do that. I'd be curious about the kind of things the media could dig up on Biden or Obama if they put more than thirty reporters to work digging into every nuance of their background like they've been doing to Palin in Alaska. Everything Sarah Palin says or does is constantly under a media microscope. Joltin Joe Biden commits a gaffe just about every time he opens his mouth and the meida just ignores it. That's just Joe they say. They say Sarah Palin's only good at giving speeches and that she doesn't have enough experience to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sounds like someone else we know who wants to be closer than a heartbeat away. I think Sarah Palin will be just fine if she's just allowed to be herself. The McCain campaign has been a defensive crouch since the beginning of the media onslaught against Palin but they need to get beyond it. The media will not stop trying to destroy her and so micromanaging every thing she says and does to try to appease it will not work.

Posted by: RobT1 | September 30, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Is it any wonder Sarah Palin's seemed defensive and unsure of herself recently? Ever since McCain announced her as his running mate the media have been after her like a pack of rabid wolves. Their intent is to destroy her. How dare the Republicans put a woman on their ticket. Only a Democrat is allowed to do that. I'd be curious about the kind of things the media could dig up on Biden or Obama if they put more than thirty reporters to work digging into every nuance of their background like they've been doing to Palin in Alaska. Everything Sarah Palin says or does is constantly under a media microscope. Joltin Joe Biden commits a gaffe just about every time he opens his mouth and the meida just ignores it. That's just Joe they say. They say Sarah Palin's only good at giving speeches and that she doesn't have enough experience to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sounds like someone else we know who wants to be closer than a heartbeat away. I think Sarah Palin will be just fine if she's just allowed to be herself. The McCain campaign has been a defensive crouch since the beginning of the media onslaught against Palin but they need to get beyond it. The media will not stop trying to destroy her and so micromanaging every thing she says and does to try to appease it will not work.

Posted by: RobT1 | September 30, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Is it any wonder Sarah Palin's seemed defensive and unsure of herself recently? Ever since McCain announced her as his running mate the media have been after her like a pack of rabid wolves. Their intent is to destroy her. How dare the Republicans put a woman on their ticket. Only a Democrat is allowed to do that. I'd be curious about the kind of things the media could dig up on Biden or Obama if they put more than thirty reporters to work digging into every nuance of their background like they've been doing to Palin in Alaska. Everything Sarah Palin says or does is constantly under a media microscope. Joltin Joe Biden commits a gaffe just about every time he opens his mouth and the meida just ignores it. That's just Joe they say. They say Sarah Palin's only good at giving speeches and that she doesn't have enough experience to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sounds like someone else we know who wants to be closer than a heartbeat away. I think Sarah Palin will be just fine if she's just allowed to be herself. The McCain campaign has been a defensive crouch since the beginning of the media onslaught against Palin but they need to get beyond it. The media will not stop trying to destroy her and so micromanaging every thing she says and does to try to appease it will not work.

Posted by: RobT1 | September 30, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Palin was a poor choice. That said, the selection was based soley on political agendas by the GOP rather than good governance and sound judgment.

I only hope the American people will see through the scripted speeches by McCain and Palin. McCain can only read his lines written by someone else; Palin has the same performance in reading.

This is not what the American deserve. Another era of shadow men controlling the speaking and policy direction of a faceless president. Yea...I am talking about you George Bush..

Posted by: blackjack3 | September 30, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

That 85% of conservatives believe Palin is qualified to be President tells the story of which political class is the one responsible for most of the bad decision making over the last twenty five years.

The conservative's need to be swept into the dustbin of American history this November.

Posted by: busdrivermike | September 30, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Palin is not just a major problem for McCain, she is a major problem for America. What does her ascention to this position say about America and its voters? Is it any wonder why we are declining so fast?

Posted by: jryan758 | September 30, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

she was more forceful in the interview, and she looked like the old sarah palin. the problem is that the old sarah palin, at least what i've seen on cspanjunkie.org, is a lot like the new sarah palin. she repeats a lot of lines and has circular reasoning. she has positions on social issues, but her stance on most policy issues is, like most politicians', "i'll let you know when i see the circumstances after i'm elected." this lack of specifics is what has made her so successful, but it's also caused her problems because she's not as prepared (sorry, karl rove) to speak politician about the economy and foreign policy.

Posted by: plathman | September 30, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

For the "original" Saarah Palin insert one good looking woman who can read a speech with some vigor and who can repeat sound bites, although not always the appropriate bite for the right topic.

Free Sarah Palin to do Discovery Channel videos about hunting caribou. Free Sarah Palin to be a hockey mom and let some well educated adult take on the job of being VP.

She is the true empty suit in this campaign, Big hair, no cattle, doesnt this country deserve better

Posted by: nclwtk | September 30, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

For the "original" Saarah Palin insert one good looking woman who can read a speech with some vigor and who can repeat sound bites, although not always the appropriate bite for the right topic.

Free Sarah Palin to do Discovery Channel videos about hunting caribou. Free Sarah Palin to be a hockey mom and let some well educated adult take on the job of being VP.

She is the true empty suit in this campaign, Big hair, no cattle, doesnt this country deserve better

Posted by: nclwtk | September 30, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Palin was most certainly not more forceful in the follow up interview with Couric. She looked like she was sitting next to her grandfather who had come to the principal's office to protect her from a paddling. She looked completely incapable of defending herself. Can anyone imagine Barack having to accompany Biden to his interview so he wouldn't be unfairly criticized? She is a JOKE.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | September 30, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Palin was most certainly not more forceful in the follow up interview with Couric. She looked like she was sitting next to her grandfather who had come to the principal's office to protect her from a paddling. She looked completely incapable of defending herself. Can anyone imagine Barack having to accompany Biden to his interview so he wouldn't be unfairly criticized? She is a JOKE.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | September 30, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Her joint interview with McCain was equally vapid. She looked scared and not at all in command of facts.

Another key problem: She doesn't even know McCain. Biden and Obama both know him far better than she does. She has no idea what his positions are. The only thing she is able to do is parrot that he is a "maverick". And that line is already doing more harm than good, considering very few people want to have a gambling maverick in office as the economy "craters".

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | September 30, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Her joint interview with McCain was equally vapid. She looked scared and not at all in command of facts.

Another key problem: She doesn't even know McCain. Biden and Obama both know him far better than she does. She has no idea what his positions are. The only thing she is able to do is parrot that he is a "maverick". And that line is already doing more harm than good, considering very few people want to have a gambling maverick in office as the economy "craters".

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | September 30, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

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