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Palin's SNL Debut

A sure sign you've made it big in politics: you get impersonated on "Saturday Night Live."

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin -- played by Tina Fey with whom The Fix shared a ferry from Fire Island earlier this summer (!) -- got the SNL treatment last night alongside Hillary Rodham Clinton (Amy Poehler).

The result? Complete genius.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 14, 2008; 9:51 AM ET
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The town of Wasilla, where Ms. Palin was mayor, is tiny. It basically is a collection of big box stores strung along one of our two major highways (that's right, we have two major highways in the entire state) surrounded by rural-suburban homesteads. It is homogenous -- mostly people who look like Sarah Palin live there.

While she was mayor, Ms. Palin had a full-time city administrator who ran the city, so I would say her level of "executive experience" is much more limited than she claims.

In the 20 months Ms. Palin has served as governor, her style and record raise further questions about her suitability for national office.

She is not a consensus builder and has failed to work constructively even with Alaska's bipartisan legislative majority. While she claims to cut the budget, she has been very generous with her home community. While she ran on ethics reform, she currently is being investigated for firing a state employee because he would not fire her sister's ex-husband.

Ms. Palin is vehemently anti-choice; she does not believe that global warming has a human cause; she wants creationism discussed in public schools. While she says she will lead us to energy independence by increased drilling, there is not enough oil in Alaska or anywhere else in the United States to dent our dependence of foreign oil unless we dramatically reduce our consumption.

Posted by: MyGirlPalin | September 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The skit of tina fey as sarah palin on Saturday Night Live, also featured Amy Poehler reprising her role as Hillary Clinton. It was a pretty funny skit, regardless of your political views. http://specialreport.com/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-nbc-snl-palin-video/

Posted by: Special Reports | September 21, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

as a former longtime supporter of j Mc -- I must tell you I have had it with John Mc and his ridiculous running mate.I am tired of the war hero montra ---- many of us experienced war and carry our mental and physical pain everyday without the delusion that we are somehow elevated to the position to run a country because of it.Folks that are so excited about his running mate -- truth be told -- abortion , guns and exploitation of our planet for the continuation of Neanderthal technology are there issues -- the same dangerously lame thought process that put Bush and his criminally stupid thugs in office

Posted by: tony porto | September 21, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

this is a SNL video people...stop trying to get all "smart" and comment an SNL VIDEO about politics.


Really be mature

Posted by: Sick of POLITICS | September 16, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

John McCain and Sarah Palin are liars. With the lies he is telling (see lipstick on a pig, bridge to nowhere, earmarks and teaching sex ed to kindergarteners), I don't see how any one can vote for him. Clearly he is lacking in the moral department. Most people that are so anti-Obama have never taken the time to get to know him. I have researced both candidates and basically, I could never vote for anyone who lies as much as John McCain. Clearly, he is lacking in the moral department. And to call Obama an elitist, that is just funny. The man who was raised by a single mom who was once on food stamps versus the man tha does not know how many houses. Who is more like the rest of us? Who is out of touch?

I am sick and tired of all the winers who keep crying sexist every time someone asks Sarah Palin a question. Yet they acuse Obama who has actually never played the race card of palying the race card. Oh but believe that his race is a factor for some of you and you know who you are. Palin chose to accept the offer to run for VP so they need to stop hiding her. What is the GOP so afraid of, that some one may go off of the script? She could not have handled those women on the view. Obama has had to deal with a lot harsher interviews than the one she had with Charlie Gibson, yet all the McCain supports are crying about media bias and that she was treated unfairly. Like the old saying says, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the Kitchen. She is not running for Miss America, she is running to run America.

What turns me off about the Republican party in general is the bullying, the fear tactics, that they play in ignorance and use the Chrisitian right. I can't stand the lies, the smugness and the self-righteousness that party brings. They get thier votes by using ignorant people. They do no have most of the population's interests at heart. They are an unforgiving bunch of people and party of wealth, greed, intolerance and have no understanding of people that are not like them.

I like many others will be voting for Obame/Biden. Don't put too much stock in the polls. The democrat turnout will be great this year. There are many voters still registering. I personally have never been polled and this will be the 5th election I have voted in. No one I know has been contacted by the gallup poll not even my 95 year old great-aunt and we are all voting democrat.

Sarah Palin may have eneregized the republican base, but she has also brought some republicans and independents to the other side. Not to mention those wary Hillary supporters who forgot that they were democrats first were reminded of the importance of voting and voting democrat. Her presence has motivated many Obama supporters to donate money. Not only has she energized the republican base, she has motivated and energized the democrats as well.

Be afraid, be very afraid. Oh nevermind, I am talking about a bunch of people who think it is acceptable to cheat your way into the presidency. The type of people that help a group of football players who raped a girl get away with it since they are part of an "elite" group that cannot have their reputations ruined at any cost and will win at any cost. They type that are against abortion but say to hell with the babies after they're born (can't say any repuiblican I know has adopted any crack babies). Yet somehow republicans think they are more Christian and that killing for the sake of oil is somehow a "task from God". Unfortunately, I don't think Obama has a chance. Why? Because Obama will win but McCain will steal the presidency. One can only hope that cheating, lies and injustice are exposed for what they are.

Posted by: Woman4Obama | September 16, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Liberals and conservatives (and the millions in between), do you want Americans
to be the laughing stock of the world again? If your answer is in the affirmative,then vote for McCain/Palin!

Having tranversed the world north to south and west to east(and the centre), whenever
I met foreigners,they gave me the impression that they perceived Americans a bit "weird". Sometimes, I am forthright and tell them,"Yes, America is a very diverse land with the normal,abnormal and subnormal. But,she(referring to U.S.A.,not Palin) does have more than her share of nutty ones.Hey,do not blame us, the Lord is in charge of this function".

Coming back to my main issue: McCain has got to have his head checked (not for lice,folks!).His choice of Palin as his running mate is indeed stultifying.Did he not check her background? She has fired more people in her job as mayor and Governor than I had fired my pellet gun(at
tin cans) in my entire life. If voters fail to see her abrasive personality as a detriment to the country,then I suggest that all voters pass a test before being allowed to vote.Her oratory at the RNC started well but soon degenerated into a
campaign of vituperation against Obama and Biden.My suspicion is that she had nothing of substance to present after a few minutes. Obviously,she was coached by the GOP how to impress potential voters. But she failed dismally! Again,when interviewed by Charles Gibson,she had little to say that revealed her potential as a vice-president. She did not answer questions that were put to her in simple English - no traps,no hooks and no lures.

I have no doubt that she would have answered questions on hunting well.Congressman Fred Thompson would testify to her ability to dress a moose.
I would find this task extremely dangerous
as I fear that the moose would not tolerate my putting on its socks,shoes,pants and shirt without goring me to death.

Obama and Biden in contrast to McCain and
Palin have presented themselves well (not perfect) to the voters.Of course,the rightwingers cannot be objective and would criticize anything said by Democrats.Look at how the conservatives are frothing at the mouth especially Rush Limbaugh, the vile,vicious and vacuous windbag ,Pat Buchanan,Robert Novak etc.These erudites are contributing to global warming by spewing hot air!..Enough said . I will desist from anymore lampooning until tomorrow.

Obama/Biden, the country hath need of thee this critical hour!

Posted by: Silverfox Logan | September 16, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

To Annette - What Hillary wants is to run for President in 2012. It should be her on the ballot and not Obama. And I, for one, will do what I can to help her run in 2012. Now the question is - should I write her name in for 2008? Or should I hold my nose and vote for McCain?

Hillary in 2012!

Posted by: Lucy | September 15, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse


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The poster at 5:08 Scott under The Fix's entry "FixCam Week in Preview" is correct - there is a distinct possibility that Obama boke Federal law if Obama sought to negotiate a deal with the Iraqi government involving US Troops and their movements within Iraq during this summer.


Obama has got to be kidding to try something like this.


The Logan Act is a Federal law which seeks to clarify that the President and the administration is the sole representative of the United States in foreign and military affairs. Legislators can not go off and start negotiating and making deals with foreign nations - if they attempt to do that they violate Federal law.


Any Campaign should be careful to stay out of foreign policy in the year before the election -


Our national security depends on respect for this clarity - this story is OUTRAGEOUS - THE STORY IS OBAMA WANTS THE WAR TO CONTINUE FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL BENEFIT.


Is Obama for the war or against the war?


The truth is: Obama is against the war when he wants the anti-war votes AND he is for the war when he CALCULATES THAT CONTINUING THE WAR WILL GET HIM MORE VOTES IN NOVEMBER.


OBAMA IS AN EXTREMELY SICK MAN TO PLAY WITH THE LIVES OF OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN THIS WAY.


In fact, it is more than the potential violations of the Logan Federal Act - it is TREASON to start negotiating a separate military policy when one is not the President especially when the American servicemen are risking their lives in the war zone.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 15, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"Tina Fey", the article, is based on an off centre Diane Keaton impression. The person - such as it, Tina Fey, might exist - doesn't want to have anything to do with a freakish circumstance where she would be parodying her own look-alike. Nowhere to goeth and it showedeth!
The "Comedy of Want" was brought to death defying excrutiating accuracy on the other side of the lectern.

Posted by: MissOtisRegrets | September 15, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
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In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The first thing I said when Palin was introduced to "the world" was that she looked a lot like Tina Fey. I'm happy to see that SNL agreed.

Posted by: Andy | September 15, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"Please, ask this one about dinosaurs."

A heartbeat away.

Posted by: Adrian | September 15, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Good to see SNL is still the democratic party's advertising machine.

Posted by: Ryan | September 15, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if it is true that the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent, he wins in November regardless of issues and poll numbers?

Apparently this mutual opponent is wealthy, exposed corruption within both parties and is presently targeted.

The question is how?

Will GOP use Guiliani-like mob ties like the way his protege ex-NYPD commissioner did and may be jailed up to 140 years? Or solicit Gotti, Jr. whose conspiracy and murder trial starts tomorrow? Is infamous VP Cheney behind the orchestration of this?

Will Dems use an OJ Simpson-like, black convict with jail time? Coincidentally his kidnap and robbery charge trial starts the same time too.

Will the parties employ the popular law enforcement practice of 'sweetheart exchange deals' where convict commit crime/murder in exchange for less jail time, conveniently covered up and real culprits not publicly suspected?

Should we worry about our personal safety too as we share this information? For example, should my husband worry about physical safety during his routine of jogging after work in the Hackensack/Bogota, NJ areas at 4pm today as our habits and plans are known in advanced via bugging device devices in both private and public places?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Tina Fey was spot on, Amy was at her best and the skit was genius. I hope all the Hillary supporters out there who are planning to waste their vote by writing in Hillary on the ballot will get the message. That empty gesture is the NEXT TO LAST thing Hillary wants. The LAST thing she wants? ... to see a twit like Sarah Palin be the first woman in the White House.

Posted by: Annette | September 15, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Nailed it

both Palin and the Media

act like you have a pair

They want special treatment for Palin

but it doesn't matter

When your country first guy

spend less time interviewing her than ABC Charles Gibson

Posted by: Are we better off now than we were 8 years ago | September 15, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse


Wasn't this important too?
Ted Land (907) 762-9269 of KTUU TV an NBC affiliate in Alaska who did the news story of a hugh rally in Alaska against Sarah Palin. I told him that I was amazed that none of the networks carried or asked for any of the footage. He said that he was just as amazed as I was especially when NBC did not request any footage. He also said that CNN was there. I told him the only story that I heard concerning a protest on CNN was about Oprah. What's going on here folks? I found out about the story at KTTU.COM There are a lot of people especially women, democrats and republicans unlike who disagreeD with Palin and thinks she's dangerous for the country. The protest started with 8 to 10 women sitting around realizing that Palin doesn't represent them. A nasty radio host broadcast their names over the airways and others tried to stop the rally. It was big news in Alaska and you can see the story on KTTU.COM website. This goes to show you that Rick Davis has far reaching arms. Palin will be hidden from the legit media as well as any negative press. Alaska is a small community so there will be some backlash but still these people weren't afraid to speak out. What happen to our press coverage here about the protest IN ALASKA. CALL TED AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE STORY

Posted by: Wasn't this important too? | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

How scary is the current situation? S.Palin,
who showed us how little she understands about the world, was put in an interview and
looked like a wind-up doll. She only repeated
what she was told before she went on with C.
Gibson. Does McCain really think that he can
get away with such a charade. He is frightening and we will become the worst nation if he and his cheerleader are in the
white house. This country will fall apart even more. Vote for Obama/Biden and let's get our country back on track.

Posted by: Paula Ross | September 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

How scary is the current situation? S.Palin,
who showed us how little she understands about the world, was put in an interview and
looked like a wind-up doll. She only repeated
what she was told before she went on with C.
Gibson. Does McCain really think that he can
get away with such a charade. He is frightening and we will become the worst nation if he and his cheerleader are in the
white house. This country will fall apart even more. Vote for Obama/Biden and let's get our country back on track.

Posted by: Paula Ross | September 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"I did not watch SNL because Obama was on it as a celebrity. And like most Americans who really cares anymore about him as a celebrity."

Posted by: Marcus | September 15, 2008 2:24 AM


Obama actually canceled his brief appearance on this week's SNL. By the way, McCain hosted SNL a few years ago. I guess that makes him more of a celebrity than Obama, so who really cares about McCain?

Posted by: zshurs | September 15, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

“I invite the media to grow a pair, and if you can’t I will lend you mine.”

All these GOP Media Elitists telling us that we should love Palin are making me sick. Average Joes like me are smart enough to see through this hype. I agree with Matt Damon, when he says "It's like a really bad Disney movie, "The Hockey Mom.' Oh, I'm just a hockey mom from Alaska, and she's president," said Damon. "She's facing down Vladimir Putin and using the folksy stuff she learned at the hockey rink. It's absurd."

O'Reilly, and Hannity, and all their yuppy buddies should just go back to their chablis and bree, and let the rest of us judge the obvious for ourselves.

Posted by: Real Deal | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I laughed a LOT!
It was brilliant...good comedy.
I agree totally with scott032
Have a little fun before you die...

Posted by: Anti-Palin Feminist | September 15, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Folks,

It's comedy. Have a little fun before you die...

Also, if you can't laugh at the comment about "Tina Fey glasses" you need to get over your agenda. That was brilliant.

Posted by: scott032 | September 15, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Dude (I mean, DDAWD), you gotta read the whole article. You're acting like lying is a bad thing. The "liberal, elite, effete media" author uses the word "outrageous" as in "bold"!

Really, you assume too fast. Conservatives always shoot first and ask questions later.

Posted by: dognabbit | September 15, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"During the past two and a half months, McCain has lied more often and more outrageously than Obama"

Canned response of how the liberal media will say things like that because they are biased against McCain...

Posted by: DDAWD | September 15, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so which ticket is lying more often? According to an article in today's Slate (www.slate.com/id/2199923/pagenum/2/) it's McCain and maybe - just maybe - that's the way Americans like it!

I lift the first paragraph verbatim:

"Since July, John McCain and his campaign have made 11 political claims that are barely true, eight that are categorically false, and three that you'd have to call pants - on-fire lies - a total of 22 clearly deceptive statements (many of them made repeatedly in ads and stump speeches). Barack Obama and Joe Biden, meanwhile, have put out eight bare truths, four untruths, and zero pants-on-fire lies - 12 false claims. These stats and categories come from PolitiFact, but the story looks pretty much the same if you count up fabrications documented by FactCheck.org or the Washington Post's Fact Checker, the other truth-squad operations working the race: During the past two and a half months, McCain has lied more often and more outrageously than Obama."

Posted by: dognabbit | September 15, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Now if we could just have Tina Fey debate energy policy with Paris Hilton we might actually learn something.

Posted by: LNDenver | September 15, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"An individual, a candidate, is under no obligation to assist a media corporation in selling its advertising."

No, she is not obligated to do anything, but the more that she resists putting herself out there, the more she risks others telling her story for her. This is not alwyas going to work favorably for her or McCain as the SNL skit shows.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 15, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Palin/Clinton skit was very good. Both of them were very funny and made a good point...who is this Sarah Palin person to think she is a replacment for Hillary Clinton?

If I were Tina Fey, I would asking for nearly double or triple her previous pay rate, because there is at least another 3 skits to do about the 2008 Presidential race and Palin.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 15, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Playing Sarah Palin -- a woman who beat the boys and threw them out -- as a casting couch sex pet, is perhaps Fey laying on too much of her own struggles.

As was pointed out to me by a female actor friend, women don't beat the system in the entertainment industry -- they comply with it.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 15, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant. I thought Tina Fey was pitch perfect and hope she'll come back often in the run-up to Election Day.

Posted by: DB | September 15, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Dear D David,

An individual, a candidate, is under no obligation to assist a media corporation in selling its advertising.

Let's face it, what most journalist do is to attract eyes to the page so that the corporation can sell its advertising. In most cases, their work rarely supports the enterprise without the advertising. In this, they are different from other writers, say, a novelist.

Every person, candidate or celebrity or citizen, has the right to set the terms of his or her exchange with the commercial enterprise known as the media.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 15, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

It is very curious to read all these posts by anonymous persons (or could it simply be some machine arranging phrases to essentially replicate the same complaints) make very subjective comments about people they don't know.

Yes, a reader from somewhere else could conclude that we Americans are a bit stupid -- and certainly emotionally overworked.

That's what happens when a campaign is launched as a kind of cult of personality. That's been the Obama campaign from the start. The Palin candidacy is beginning to fall into it as well. It should be avoided.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 15, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"So now a candidate's foreign policy experience is being vetted by a comedy act on an commerical broadcast run by a for-profit media corporation that makes its fortune selling 30-second bits of advertising?"

Well, that's the risk one runs when one decides to cut herself off from the media and allow others to write her narrative.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 15, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

The sketch merely supported the ruling orthodoxy on the subject. That isn't art. Art should challenge. I found it weak.

And as a mentioned in an earlier post, that could be on account of some internal prejudice on Fey's part. Of course, I don't know her, so can't make a judgment on something like that. I did see the sketch and, in my opinion, it failed.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 15, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I am sick of the "she's one of us" meme...why do Americans celebrate stupidity?

We are fast becoming a joke in the eyes of the world...electing Obama will at least slow the decline, McCain will hasten it.

Posted by: vf | September 15, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Amazing how badly the cons want to make this election about anything _other_ than a referendum on the job they've done for the last eight years.

The simple facts are this: Republicans have screwed over the middle and working class with policies that are skewed to the wealthy and the corporations. They do this every time they seize power, and then try distract the public with non-issues like guns, god, and gays.

Republicans are playing the obstructionism role of in congress with one goal: keep the Democrats from doing the will of the people, and then propagate a lie about a do-nothing congress.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/18218.html

These people are sick to their very core. It's time for a change. Enough is Enough.

Posted by: tvi | September 15, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

It is beyond words (not in this limited space anyway) to speak of the level of self-righteousness and ignorance in this country. Maybe we should vote for a mandatory history course 101 from the majority of the citizens. If we continue at this speed with Palin, McCain may not be around; we are going to have to prove America's superiority and ignorance by picking a fight with: where do I start? Iran, Russia, Venezuela…. because we have to defend democracy the Palin way. Just the thought of it makes me lose hope. ROTC has been changing its tactics to attract our boys and girls. It is now trying to look like an association for leadership training in some universities. Students are invited just to participate in the so called leadership seminars with cadets. War is made to look invisible but with 19 year olds who grew up in a gun culture, it is obvious what the outcome is.
PLEASE VOTE Obama for our boys' and girls' sake and for the future of the world children…..It is time we learn how to lead responsibly which the world has been waiting for too many rears. Please vote Obama! It will take years to repair the political, environmental, and human damage our ignorance has inflicted. Please vote Obama at least we will start by sending a message: we are changing the way we have been behaving. The world is watching this election by far with greatest and desperate interest than many of our ignorant voters….

YT

Posted by: YT | September 15, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Tina Fey's mimicry is genial and very funny.
With some reflection, though, the "funny" becomes "tragic" if the crowds misunderstand the message of the skit. Is it possible that Fey's 'genius' and likeability may make Palin even more popular? Strange things happen through TV intervention. I have only one thing to say to the electorate:
"It's the lipstick, stupid!"

Posted by: JoeG. | September 15, 2008 4:12 AM | Report abuse

The politics has become a huge laughing mtter, I wonder what the other foriegn countries are thinkig as they watch the united states have a political frenzy. What a perfect time to invade America. People wake up, there are far more serious things out here than waiting for the death of aman for a woman to become president.........GROW UP!!!

Posted by: Bianca | September 15, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

This skit shows how completely inexperienced Palin is and that ANY John
Doe off the street can become President of the USA.

If McBush wins the election and has health problems (he's 72 years old, had cancer 3 times and is on 6 different meds), this random Palin woman will be President. What is her international experience? "I can see Russia from my house". YEAH...THAT'S WHO YOU WANT LEADING YOUR COUNTRY (sarcasm).

WAKE UP AMERICA!

Are you all so dumb as the headline of London's Daily Mirror newspaper said back in 2004 when you re-elected Bush: HOW CAN 59 MILLION PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?

America is the butt of all jokes. Seriously, there is no hope if these Republican liars McBush/Palin get elected.

VOTE OBAMA- he represents true change!!

Why is Bush suddenly copying Obama's policies?????


VOTE OBAMA- THE REST OF THE WORLD DEPENDS ON IT!

Posted by: Kate | September 15, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I did not watch SNL because Obama was on it as a celebrity. And like most Americans who really cares anymore about him as a celebrity. He better not be counting on celebrity to be elected. He was a passing fancy. He would has time for SNL but not for Townhalls? Since Obama is affraid there will be no Townhalls. I will just have to wait for the debates. Till then Obama and his ego will not grace my HDTV.

Posted by: Marcus | September 15, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

IF YOU THOUGHT TINA FEY'S SARAH PALIN WAS DEVASTATING,
READ NY TIMES SUNDAY PIECE ABOUT HOW SHE HAS GOVERNED


• But will the Obama camp seize the opportunity -- or continue to cower?

The New York Times, in a front page Sunday story, is doing the vetting on Sarah Palin that John McCain either did not do, or did not care to do -- and that the rest of the mainstream media seems fearful of doing, lest they be accused of engaging in a "sexist" piling on.

Even Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz has sprung to Palin's defense, castigating his journalistic brethern on CNN's "Lous Dobbs" show for their treatment of Palin.

Yet it could be reasonably argued that outside of the Sunday Times piece, and some professorial old-school interrogation by Charlie Gibson of ABC News, the treatment of Palin by the mainstream media has been overly genteel to the point of cowardice.

Even Gibson failed to follow up on some key points, such as Palin's views about intelligence failures leading up to the decision to invade Iraq.

Howie, we thought we knew you... Has the McCain camp's voodoo gotten to you?

This is a potential president of the United States we're talking about. The Times is doing the job that major media outlets SHOULD be doing -- "without fear or favor," as the saying goes.

According to the Times account, Gov. Palin engaged in cronyism and used her office to settle personal scores and wage vendettas against her enemies; employed a $68K per year assistant who was referred to by her staff as the "babysitter"; and spent nearly a whole year of her year-and-a-half tenure as governor at her Wasilla home -- playing gubernatorial hookey so often that members of the state legislature took to wearing lapel pins asking, "Where's Sarah?"

The article also related how Palin's husband Todd, elected by no one, often acts as the Governor's hatchet man. Example: The Times piece maintains that Alaska's First Mate sought retribution against a former Palin high-school classmate (who later became an aide to Palin) upon the hiring of the old acquaintance by a political rival.

The Times piece implies that Todd did it out of spite, but leaves it to the reader to surmise just what he might have been spiteful about.

Todd Palin, of course, has been subpoenaed by state investigators probing "Troopergate," in which Palin is accused of firing her public safety director when he refused to fire Palin's former brother-in-law, a state trooper who was involved in a messy divorce with her sister. (Palin denies that her former brother-in-law was the reason for the termination, a claim disputed by the fired official.)

The big question now is whether the Obama-Biden campaign will incorporate these revelations into campaign ads -- or whether they will sit back passively and fail to attack, fearful of being accused of bias or sexism.

Such a posture is reverse sexism at its worst; would the Obama camp -- or the mainstream media -- extend the same courtesies to a male candidate for vice president?

Even talk jockeys at progressive-lib Air America radio are calling out the Obama campaign for their gutlessness; who woulda thunk it?

McCain's selection of Palin -- if indeed it was his idea to put her on the ticket in the first place -- speaks volumes about his judgment and calls into question not just McCain's vetting process, but the independence of his decision-making and of his thought processes.

Can a "maverick" also be a marionette? And just who is pulling the strings?

Politico.com did an interesting piece the other day about how Bush operatives and former corporate lobbyists permeate the McCain camp and his Senate office.

Few average Americans in flyover country read The New York Times. Will the Obama campaign see to it that the revelations of the Sunday Times piece are fully aired nationwide as the subject of take-no-prisoners political advertising -- you know, the kind of ads the McCain campaign is doing against THEM?

Or will the Obama camp continue to cower, fearful of being accused by Palin apologists as "mean" or "sexist"?

Depending on the rest of the mainstream media to publicize these revelations would be a grave strategic error.

And where is the attack dog Joe Biden on this? Will he step up? If he won't get out there and mix it up, he should consider a strategic withdraw to clear the way for Hillary to do battle with the GOP's VP marvel -- as the only potent antidote to Palin-mania.

Perhaps that's his plan: He did remark last week that Hillary would have been a better VP pick than he.

As for the media, even Amy Poehler's "Hillary" mocked their collective timidity in the face of the Palin charm offensive:

"I'll lend them my set."


For more on why the Obama camp should mount a Palin counter-offensive in its political advertising, see: http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 15, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

All you people who complain about Obama's experience forget one thing. Obama came through after nineteen grueling primaries and/or caucases. He WON the contest and deserves his spot. In one of the dumbest moves McCain has made, Palin was selected. she did not do anything to get on this ticket. He could have chosen any competent female and got the same as he got with Palin.

Posted by: Opa | September 15, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Hold on. Are you trying to tell me that Senator Obama didn't tell a few? That he didn't flip this way and that? And Senator Biden too? All four of them are politicians. There are no saints in that line-up.

I don't see what's so wrong about Sarah Palin campaigning for the bridge and them after getting a bit more information, changing her mind. President Kennedy campaigned on the missile gap and then, when he had new information, changed his mind. And didn't Senator Obama do the same with the surge?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 15, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I would be affraid of Palin/Mccain ticket too. They have lied about Obama positions 51 times. Palin/Mccain are a bunch of liars a old and Young liar. They have no plans, vision, or solutions. Just lies. We'll thats not going to win the Republicans the White House this year. They need to go get a plan for the future.

Posted by: Judy | September 15, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Palins still lying about the bridge to knowhere. Palin was greeted by crowds of Alaskan Protestors, why haven't WPO report that. That was a rather large crowd as well. It seems as though supporters aren't the only ones energized by Palin, so are protestors and in her own state. Palin's interview was a flop. She didn't seem presidential at all. She looked hunched back in the seat. She couldn't answer the questions, she's just Mccains parrott.

Posted by: Judy | September 15, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Of course Sarah scares the Obamuppets.
Her actual experience leaves the chosen one
in the dust. Obama's experience would fit on the back of a postage stamp with room left to lick without any ink on the tongue.

Posted by: Steve Boston | September 15, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Some very curious comments on this site regarding yours truly. Why is it that some on the Left always accuse those they disagree with of being gay? Mensheviks, I suppose.

I had a nice chat with an actor friend of mine. She provided me with some insight on why Tina Fey may have played it the way she did.

Actors don't run against the system. They don't throw the old boys out. Especially female actors. They have to play a game that often requires them to be the pet.

So, it was argued to me, that perhaps Tina Fey understands the idea of a woman becoming powerful after marrying the boss better than one taking on the boss and beating him.

In this way, perhaps Tina was reflecting her own experience more than that of Sarah Palin.

Perhaps it is easier for a female actor to understand Senator Clinton, a President's wife who had to put up with so much personal and public abuse, but who was transformed into a hard bitten politician in her own right.

Maybe in Tina Fey's world, women just don't pull off a Sarah Palin. They don't beat the guys in power and take over.

In any case, I think the skit played to establishment orthodoxy. It failed to challenge. Art takes chances. It wasn't art. My opinion.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 15, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm sick and tired of these ignorant hayseeds (mostly Republicans) running the country.

They don't even know how much they don't know, and that stupidity costs American lives.

Start a few wars, watch them go down the toilet--but it's okay: Jesus is in charge! Yeeeeeee-haaaaw.

Posted by: Don | September 14, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

This is an escalation of the site "mobbing" that has taken place here. It must be dealt with. Such misuse of a major telecommunications medium cannot go unchallenged. Thanks.

Posted by: scrivener
------------------------

I agree the anonymous post is creepy but my interpretation is different. Sounds to me that this person thinks that McCain will get wacked since he has made enemies on both sides of the aisle. And that they themselves are afraid that since they are sharing this information that they will be targeted.

May be a nutcase. May be someone telling the truth. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: j9zig1 | September 14, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

WA-PO'S "THE FIX" ILLICITLY USED TO THREATEN AND INTIMIDATE POLITICIANS AND SUPPORTERS?

Chris:

"Anonymous" at 10:33 p.m. is using the Wasington Post web site to deliver not-so-veiled threats against the life, safety and well-being of political candidates -- and, by extension, persons who express political views on this site about political candidates.

These disinformation campaigns have thus graduated into the realm of serious threats, harassment and intimidation.

Read the post; it is very specific, and menacing, in terms of the methodologies of violence that are enumerated in the post.

Please forward the 10:33 p.m. post by "anonymous" to your legal department and to top editors of Washington Post, including Bob Woodward.

Deliering threats like this is illegal; if these threats are emanating from persons representing the public sector, the illegality is compounded.

This misuse of a major media web site has gone too far for too long. Certain persons and/or entities are using this site to threaten individuals, and the only way to prevent this misuse is to expose it.

This is an escalation of the site "mobbing" that has taken place here. It must be dealt with. Such misuse of a major telecommunications medium cannot go unchallenged. Thanks.

Posted by: scrivener | September 14, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/proposed-commercial-mac-vs-pc.html

Sunday, September 14, 2008
A Proposed Commercial: Mac vs. PC

(White background. Childlike piano music plays).

(A picture of Barack Obama appears against the background)

VO: (Similar to voice of "Mac" character): Barack Obama is like a Mac

(A picture of John McCain appears against the background)

VO: John McCain is like a PC

(Picture of a bank against the background)

VO: McCain likes the old economics, corporate welfare, and tax breaks for the wealthy of George W. Bush.

(Quick cuts: Picture of Countrywide Branch, Picture of Bear Stearns, Picture of IndyMac against background)

(Picture of Obama)

VO: Obama doesn't like old systems that crash.

(Picture of a Mother, father, son and daughter against the background)

VO: Obama thinks that when it comes to health care, every American should have the access and support they need.

(Picture of family fades to blank background)

VO: McCain is against these health benefits for children, families and the elderly. He believes that when it comes to access and support for health, it's an "ownership society"--you're on your own.

(Picture of a woman standing against background)

VO: For women, McCain talks a good game, but he is against a woman's right to choose, would repeal Roe v. Wade, and even voted against equal pay for women.

(Picture expands to show many women standing behind her)

VO: Barack Obama believes that every woman should be paid the same for the same work as every man, and that every woman has the right to make her own choices.

(Picture of George W. Bush)

VO: Barack Obama has called for an end to the distortions, mismanagement, and failed policies of the Bush Administration that have left so many families in distress.

(Famed picture of McCain hugging George W. Bush)

VO: McCain has agreed with George W. Bush 90% of the time.

(Picture of McCain)

John McCain. Do you really want to spend another four years with the same old system?

(Music outro. Fade.)

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/proposed-commercial-mac-vs-pc.html

Posted by: Marie Stewart | September 14, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if it is true that the candidate that bumps off mutual opponent wins in November and it has nothing to do with issues and popularity polls?

Apparently the mutual opponent not only exposed corruption within both parties but is wealthy and is presently targeted. Once bumped off, his wealth is be easily stolen.

The question is how?

Will the Dems use an OJ Simpson-like, black convict with jail time due? BTW, OJ Simpson is available til tomorrow morning for his own robbery and kidnapping trial in Las Vegas.

Will the GOP use a Guiliani-like mob ties like his protege had and was indicted for up to 140 jail time? Or Gotti, Jr. who is available tonight before his murder trial begins in the morning in Florida?

Will both political parties employ the popular law enforcement practice of 'sweetheart exchange deals' where convicts commit crime/murder, gets less jail time, conveniently covered up and the real culprits are not publicly suspected?

As we share this information, will we too have to worry about our physical safety day by day until the election on November 4? For example, do we have to worry about our jogging in public, shopping, or sleeping in the middle of the night as our habits and plans are well known in advanced via bugging devices in both private and public?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"She didn't have to say that she went to a battle zone in Iraq, for example, or that she opposed the bridge to nowhere.

But she did and that speaks volumes about her."

When and where did Sarah Palin say she went to Iraq?

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

YOU THINK TINA FEY'S SARAH PALIN WAS DEVASTATING?

JUST READ THE NYT SUNDAY PIECE ON HOW SHE HAS GOVERNED ALASKA...

• But will the Obama camp seize the opportunity -- or continue to cower?


The New York Times is doing the vetting that John McCain either did not do, or did not care to do -- and that the rest of the mainstream media seems fearful of doing, lest they be accused of engaging in a "sexist" piling on.

Even the Washington Post media critic Howard Kutz has sprung to Palin's defense, castigating his journalistic brethern on CNN's "Lous Dobbs" show for their treatment of Palin.

Yet it could be reasonably argued that outside of the Sunday Times piece, and some professorial old-school interrogation by Charlie Gibson of ABC News, the treatment of Palin by the mainstream media has been overly genteel to the point of cowardice.

Even Gibson failed to follow up on some key points, such as Palin's views about intelligence failures leading up to the decision to invade Iraq.

Howie, we thought we knew you... Has the McCain camp's voodoo gotten to you?

This is a potential president of the United States we're talking about. The Times is doing the job it and other outlets should be doing -- "without fear or favor," as the saying goes.

According to the Times account, Gov. Palin engaged in cronyism and used her office to settle personal scores and wage vendettas against her enemies; employed a $68K per year assistant who was referred to by her staff as the "babysitter"; and spent nearly a whole year of her year-and-a-half tenure as governor at her Wasilla home -- playing gubernatorial hookey so often that members of the state legislature took to wearing lapel pins asking, "Whree's Sarah?"

The article also related how Palin's husband Todd, elected by no one, often acts as the Governor's hatchet man. Example: The Times piece maintains that Alaska's First Mate sought retribution against a former Palin high-school classmate (who became as an aide to Palin) upon the hiring of the old acquaintance by a political rival.

The Times piece implies that Todd did it out of spite, but leaves it to the reader to surmise just what he might have been spiteful about.

Todd Palin, of course, has been subpoenaed by state investigators probing "Troopergate," in which Palin is accused of firing her public safety director because he refused to fire Palin's former brother-in-law, a state trooper who was involved in a messy divorce with her sister. (Palin denies that her former brother-in-law was the reason for the termination, a claim disputed by the fired official.)

The big question now is whether the Obama-Biden campaign will incorporate these revelations into campaign ads -- -- or whether they will sit back passively and fail to attack, fearful of being accused of being unfair or sexist.

Such a posture is reverse sexism at its worst; would the mainstream media extend the same courtesies to a male candidate for vice president? Has it ever?

Even talk jockeys at progressive-lib Air America radio are calling out the Obama campaign for a lack of guts; who woulda thunk it?

McCain's selection of Palin (if indeed it was his idea to put her on the ticket in the first place) speaks volumes about his judgment and calls into question not just McCain's vetting process, but the independence of his decision-making and of his thought processes.

Can a "maverick" also be a marionette? And just who is pulling the strings?

Politico.com did an interesting piece the other day about how Bush operatives and former corporate lobbyists permeate the McCain camp and his Senate office.

Few average Americans in flyover country read the New York Times. Will the Obama campaign see to it that the revelations of the Sunday Times piece are fully aired nationwide as the subject of some take-no-prisoners political advertising -- you know, the kind of ads the McCain campaign is doing against THEM?

Or will the Obama camp continue to cower, fearful of being accused by Palin apologists as "mean" or "sexist"?

Depending on the rest of the mainstream media to publicize these revelations would be a grave strategic error.

And where is the attack dog Joe Biden on this? Will he step up? If he won't get out there and mix it up, he should consider a strategic withdraw to clear the way for Hillary to counter the GOP's VP marvel -- as the only potent antidote to Palinmania.

Perhaps that's his plan: He did remark last week that Hillary would have been a better VP pick than he.

As for the media, even Amy Poehler's "Hillary" mocked their collective timidity in the face of the Palin charm offensive:

"I'll lend them my set."

For more on why the Obama camp should mount a Palin counter-offensive in its political advertising, see: http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 14, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"The media, and people in here, too. No?

I mean, do you (and I) not do our part to perpetuate conversation about her?"

Perpetuation of a conversation in which one side spews irrationality about Palin's record and the other side quite rightly calls them out on it is not necessarily the same as the media's fascination.

I will say, though, that the trend in the media is a positive one for the American public. Initially, we were subjected to stories about her alleged moose hunting, or her hockey momness, or her job as mayor as McCain tried to establish her narrative. Now, thank god some real journalists have gotten involved to expose Palin's true record.

The thing is that throughout it all, she didn't have to lie. She didn't have to say that she went to a battle zone in Iraq, for example, or that she opposed the bridge to nowhere.

But she did and that speaks volumes about her.

If winning the election was McCain's only goal, then picking Palin may help him. However, if ensuring that America has sound, experienced, knowledgeable leadership if he died after he was elected was his goal, he failed miserably.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Yee-haw!!! I heard the wedding was gonna be at the Chuck E. Cheese and the wedding cake is gonna have a HUGE hockey stick on it.

Levi is gonna trim up that mullet. Every man's gotta look good on his weddin' day.

Bristol's got her dress already from the Walmart. The Kathie Lee Gifford line with the expanding waistband, so she's covered there. It's gaw-jus, and not skanky at all.

So excited for the big day. Who knew the weddin' day was gonna come before graduation day, but hey, they ain't worried. God will Provide!!

Posted by: yellow purple | September 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The right-wing pro-lifers seem to want to kill everyone after they come out of the womb.

Posted by: yellow purple | September 14, 2008 9:04 PM

That's why Bristol Palin has to have her baby, but Track gets sent off to war. Maybe her baby will be his replacement.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

How come we aren't hearing anything further about Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston's wedding plans? That baby's coming soon. Guess they'll wait till after the birth so it can be covered by Sarah's health insurance, and so Bristol won't be a preggers bride. They couldn't have that!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

It's the economy, stupid!

Posted by: James Carville | September 14, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"Save a Child. Abort a Liberal."
Posted by: SouthSideChiTown | September 14, 2008 8:52 PM

Wonderful that you believe in choice. The right-wing pro-lifers seem to want to kill everyone after they come out of the womb.

Posted by: yellow purple | September 14, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

It's the economy, stupid!

Posted by: James Carville | September 14, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama went to Columbia and Harvard. I'm getting tired of East coast Ivy League elitists running the country. They have made a mess of it. Why elect another one?

Posted by: John | September 14, 2008 8:55 PM

The University of Northern Idaho brings tears to my eyes. Tears of laughter. If Sarah even graduated from there. Post journalists, please check Palin's academic background, see if anyone actually recalls going to college with her, or remembers why she kept switching schools. Seems like something awfully fishy was going on there.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"Last time I checked it is the Dems that are holding the mantel in the "Do Nothing" Congress."

Well, last time I checked, it was the rightwing president who had pledged to work with the Democratic Congress after the Democratic sweep in 2006, but who turned out to be a liar because he continually threatened a veto on any meaningful legislation.

But I'll bet you already knew that, didn't you?

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Even if you're a Palin fan, it has to be hard defending her education. I mean, it's a series of 3rd rate community college-type institutions. Let's face it: she's no brainiac.

The whole edumacation thing doesn't seem important in her family, as her husband is a college dropout and her oldest daughter and her fiance are high school dropouts.

I guess that would be ok if she stuck around the PTA or her 5000 people town, but she seems ill-equipped to deal with stuff that require a little book learnin'. I don't know if she needs to move her lips when she reads or use her fingers and toes when doing the numbers, but I prefer she not set policy for me. She ain't too bright.

Posted by: Stone | September 14, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"The one problem, though, is that the media still tend to be fascinated with Shiny New Sarah,"

The media, and people in here, too. No?

I mean, do you (and I) not do our part to perpetuate conversation about her?

And aren't we just kind of whining because she's succeeded so well at making such an impact?

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It's been 2 years since Pelosi and crew came to power

The House and Senate have passed some excellent legislation which Bush has vetoed. It's tough to get a 2/3 super-majority to override.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama went to Columbia and Harvard. I'm getting tired of East coast Ivy League elitists running the country. They have made a mess of it. Why elect another one?

Posted by: John | September 14, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Chi Town, yessssss (deep sigh) but everyone loves their own congressman or woman.

(Repeating the obvious...)


Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"Palin was picked to be a distraction; Obama and Biden should be smart enough to recognize this and ignore her. She is not the problem. McCain is."

Amen to that. The one problem, though, is that the media still tend to be fascinated with Shiny New Sarah, and if they can't provide solid reporting on the issues, as well as a forum on which it can be discussed, anyone who wants to comment on substantive stuff is SOL.

Well, the second problem is that the rightwing will continue to harp on Palin being "more" qualified than Obama. Of course, the reason they do so is because Republicans have a crummy record to run on, and no real desire to discuss health care, or energy policy, or the environment.

So instead of telling us how McCain would really change the Washington landscape he helped construct, they hurl insults and blame "media bias!" and the "liberal elites!"

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama was a compromise choice for the Harvard Law Review.

Boo-hoo! Meanwhile, McCain was at the bottom of the barrel in his Annapolis class. General George Custer graduated at the bottom of his class at West Point, and look how successful he turned out to be. So don't be too impressed with McCain either.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Castanea says: "America is deep in debt, unemployment is up, fuel prices are high, and tens of millions of us have inadequate health care. Yet instead of offering solutions, or even welcoming debate, all the rightwing has to offer are smear tactics."

Last time I checked it is the Dems that are holding the mantel in the "Do Nothing" Congress. It's been 2 years since Pelosi and crew came to power on the promise of lower gas prices and ending the Iraq War. To my knowledge, they have done NEITHER, and now Congress enjoys a 9% approval rating. Far worse than Bush. The Libby's won't be happy until they transfer that 9% approval rating to the Oval Office. Althouh Monica and her blue dress will be happy...I hear Monica has jungle fever.

Save a Child. Abort a Liberal.

Posted by: SouthSideChiTown | September 14, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Why do democrats find it so hard to ignore Palin?
Oh I remember, her and McCain are ahead in the polls.
Had Obama just picked Hillary...he would have won the election.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

You're right, even the grammar sheriff makes an occasional elementary typo. Now resume your regular snarking.

Posted by: Grammar Sheriff | September 14, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Castanea,

You say -- I meant no offense, though I don't know how anyone can look weaker, and Palin stronger, given the news that has been revealed about her.

And I want to tell you that you must be surrounded 100% of the time by Democrats to be asking that question, and you must not look at the TV. Do you? Do you see the crowds wherever she goes? Didn't her speech beat Obama's? I mean, ARE you in denial about the power of this woman? (If you are going to keep saying 'yeah, but,' then i throw up my hands.)

What frustrates me is, we won't ever win (IMO) if we do not face up to this.

OTOH,

Bell or Beil writes: Palin was picked to be a distraction; Obama and Biden should be smart enough to recognize this and ignore her. She is not the problem. McCain is.

And I say -- EXACTLY!

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama was a compromise choice for the Harvard Law Review.

This is getting confusing. Andy Bradshaw says Obama is unworthy because he's too privileged, then Chicago claims he's not privileged enough.

Posted by: make up your mind already | September 14, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The lack of judgment exhibited by a women that would travel over 8 hours on aircraft after her water broke, endangering everyone especially the crew if she had gone into labor is curious. Was she hoping for a miscarriage?
There seems to be too much hypocrisy on the part of the new republicans.

John what happened to your Boat School honor code? Anything to win?

80% of the evangelicals think torture is OK? That sound Christian.

The joke is neither can bring about change unless Congress goes along. Have you questioned your representatives on their positions as well?

No wonder they don't teach critical thinking in school.

Posted by: libertarian | September 14, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

From Grammar Sheriff, 7:35 pm:
"your an idiot...Yes, I'd take the word of someone with all those elemntary school level grammatical errors impugning the intelligence of anyone else. NOT."

I'm wiping tears from my eyes from laughing so hard. This is a classic along the lines of the mulleted hillbilly with the sign, "Get A Brain! Morans".

Posted by: Pupster | September 14, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I love all the Obots who know nothing about their candidate. Obama was a compromise choice for the Harvard Law Review. He wasn't the first choice. Read up on it.

Posted by: Chicago for Hillary | September 14, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Palin's visit to Ireland, which turned out to be a quick stop for the plane at the airport.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"I think you just called me a Republican.

I am not."


I meant no offense, though I don't know how anyone can look weaker, and Palin stronger, given the news that has been revealed about her.

She lied, for example, about her visit to a battle zone in Iraq. Had she first said that she went to the Middle East, and then later noted that she'd been in a battle zone, I might feel differently.

However, all the evidence that has been coming out about her shows her to be a resume padder--which, to me, is among the lowest of the low.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

She didn't have the benefit of affirmative action acceptance

Of course she did. The pretty chicks always have.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

here is a concept; let's allow the comedians to lampoon Governor Palin all they want to but let's require Barack Obama to forget her and get back to emphaizing how John McCain and his policies would assign this nation to four more year of deterioration.

Palin was picked to be a distraction; Obama and Biden should be smart enough to recognize this and ignore her. She is not the problem. McCain is.

Posted by: bbfbell | September 14, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

another point. Obama was not only accepted into Harvard Law Review--which is based on MERIT. M-E-R-I-T. He became president of it in his 2nd year. This is a major accomplishment.
and there aint no affirmative action for law review.

throwing affirmative action around as the sole reason for any person of color's accomplishments is nothing more than disgusting racism. Own up to it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

mensagal and others assuming that Obama couldn't have succeeded without affirmative action are racist.
i am a person of color that went to the best public university at the time I was there and to an ivy league school for graduate school.
Affirmative action did not help me.
My straight As ever since I learned to read at 3 and my almost perfect SAT score did though.
What do you know about Obama's grades and background?
And how about John McCain's--bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. Rock bottom.
Let's not even talk about Bush.

Posted by: racism sucks | September 14, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, Palin did attend FIVE colleges - because she was working her way through school."

Where did you hear that? Rush Limbaugh?

I hardly think that, if she were working her way through college, she'd have transferred five times. It takes a lot of money to fly back and forth to Hawaii and Alaska.

Most good Americans I know took summer jobs in town if they were working their way through college. They didn't travel back and forth thousands of miles, unless mommy and daddy paid for it.

No matter. If she really did "work" her way through college, she can tell us some of the places she worked. Better yet, she can release her transcripts and tell us why she did transfer so often. That kind of student--five transfers just to earn one degree--really raises red flags for employers. It shows she may lack focus.

Did she move around so much because she was following a boy? Was she in academic trouble and needed a fresh start? Those answers are fine, as long as she accounts for why she moved. If we are to employ her as VP, we deserve to know.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I just respect the power and potential of opponents. Don't get confused.

You make a lot of good points about McCain. Really, that is one of the few times anyone has talked about McCain here.

Palin continues to negatively fascinate us. The more she does, the more she is in the news, the more attention, the weaker everyone looks, including of course Obama.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Castanea,

I think you just called me a Republican.

I am not.


Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats have forgotten John McCain."

Ah, another rightwing tactic: Project your own weaknesses onto your opponent. You guys are the ones infatuated with personalities; we'd rather discuss issues, and we know McCain's grasp of the issues is tenuous.

No, far from ignoring him, we've kept our eyes on McCain, for example when he was asked in an interview what Palin's national security qualifications were, and he answered that she knows more about energy than anyone else in the United States. He seemed lost in the interview, hence the non-sequitur.

Or when he told his lies about Obama and kindergarteners. Or when he lied about the whole "pig with lipstick" situation. Or when he continues to lie about opposing earmarks.

He's been looking frail lately, and if it weren't for Palin, his rallies would be sparsely attended.

What is the rightwing plan to replace McCain should he not be able to fulfill his candidacy? There is a long time left until November 4. If he stumbles and falls, literally, how do you think rational Americans will react?

You guys should start thinking about that, strategerizing as it were, and who you'd get to replace him.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but people will eat this stuff up!

Come on, she's got fantastic highlights!

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Chet, your momma called - you are embarrassing her with your know-nothing posting.

Yes, Palin did attend FIVE colleges - because she was working her way through school.

She didn't have the benefit of affirmative action acceptance and support and so had to actually show grit and determination to succeed.

As for your obamessiah, it is entirely likely that those Columbia records that he won't release show that if he were not an affirmative action 'flunky' he would have been expelled.

Now call your momma and apologize.

Posted by: mensagal | September 14, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Here's how Obama should take care of the Palin problem.
1. Alas, drop Joe Biden.
2. Add Tina Fey (who with or without lipstick is more qualified than Palin anyway).
If Ms. Fey runs in character, it's all over because the only choice will be to judge them on content.

I assume I will be joining the Obama campaign as co-executive chief strategist shortly.

Posted by: rogerf | September 14, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse


Reading with great interest in the Sunday NYT:

“The ballerina-pink Beehive, in a 1,400-square-foot ranch house, is a cut-and-color shop. A haircut is $30, discounted to $20 if you get the $95 color treatment….In a phone interview, Mrs. Steele, 37, described a kind of “Steel Magnolias” on permafrost, featuring Ms. Palin as a recurring presence.
Ms. Palin’s appointments were multitasking events, Mrs. Steele recounted. The governor would sit in full foil, checking her BlackBerry, writing speeches and chatting with customers as her daughter Piper played nearby.
“Brooke, my manager, is always telling hunting stories with Sarah,” Mrs. Steele said.

Zippy is dying to hear how Sen Biden grooms including details on his hairplug procedures–any pictures out there?

Posted by: Zippy in Annapolis | September 14, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

FOR ONCE I AGREE WITH CHRIS.

TINA AND AMY WERE JUST GENIAL.

I LAUGHED EVERY TIME I WATCHED IT, ALL 12.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I get so bitter and angry when I see most people still do not realize Hillary is entitled to the presidency. Just because Obama Hussein Barack can read a teleprompter and not sound like a drug-addicted community organizer is no reason to choose him over Hillary. It is Hillary, after all, who fully understands that the far-left members of the Democratic Party -- angry, bitter leftists like me who read firedoglake and are secure in our gender identity -- will have the final say in who is elected president this fall. That is why the angry, bitter leftists support Hillary and NOT Obama Hussein Barack.

Posted by: twin_peaks_nikki | September 14, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

No Castanea --

"One thing I've noticed is that, in all their idolatry of Palin, rightwingers have forgotten John McCain."

Democrats have forgotten John McCain.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

before she finally eked out a degree in journalism

How do we know she actually got a degree? Just because a known flagrant liar says so? Strange how there's no trace of her on college newspapers or record of her at school television or radio stations.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a foolish old man

No kidding. There's no fool like an old fool, and McCain likes 'em young.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Qualified? Oh God please. This runner-up beauty queen switched schools SIX times before she finally eked out a degree in journalism. She "can see Russia" fome Alaska and that somehow grants her insight into foreign policy? She didn't even know what the Bush doctrine was, the most significant part of Bush's presidency. She makes the lightweights look qualified. McCain is a foolish old man who would do anything to get elected, even endangering this country with an air-head like Palin.

Posted by: Chet | September 14, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to mention the perilous condition of Merrill Lynch as well. The economy is even worse than you depict.

Posted by: to Jon | September 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

By God Tina Fey is Mrs. Palin! It's So HER So REAL! I seriously believe Sarah Palin share the same acting coach with TIna Fey. If Sarah Palin can be President of the U.S, so does Tina Fey!

Too bad Hillary Clinton doesn't act well and therefore no value to the "producers" "directors" in the theatre of politics because Hillary Clinton can't be played to make box office hits.

May be it's better to let Anglina Jolie to be the president of the U.S and Pitt be the VP.

Posted by: ricecake | September 14, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

your an idiot.. He has associated with the man for 20 yrs

Yes, I'd take the word of someone with all those elemntary school level grammatical errors impugning the intelligence of anyone else. NOT.

Posted by: Grammar Sheriff | September 14, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Headlines from a Washington Post rival newspaper:
"Lehman Expected to File for Bankrupty"
"Rush Is On to Prevent A.I.G. From Failing"
"Nation’s Financial Industry Gripped by Fear"

I can't wait to see how John "I don't know anything about economics" McCain and Sarah "I was the mayor of Wasilla" Palin solve these problems.

Posted by: Jon | September 14, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

your an idiot.. He has associated with the man for 20 yrs

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama was only 8 years old in 1969.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

So... The reason to continue down the path toward Fascism is...?

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | September 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Dear Castenea
You've identified the right issues, you just let you're bush-hate and attraction to a teen idol get in your way. Drink the obama Koolaid and have your fantasy.....you'll feel better after the election when McCain's term begins and hopefully you'll come to you senses.
Your homeboy's senate approval rating is single digit...even much lower than bush...because of do-nothings like obama.
What a sucker! I'll bet you're 16 and still call daddy for tuition payments..

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Who is William Ayers?
Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang", Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.
The groups Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Between the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago and the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.
"During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more extreme over the year [1969]", former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkerson wrote in 2001 (who refers to the Weathermen's activity as "craziness"). Before this time, Ayers had become a roommate of and strong influence on Terry Robbins, who was two years younger and "came to idolize him", Wilkerson wrote. Robbins would later be killed while making a bomb.
In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected "Education Secretary".
Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot.The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway. (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970. Built yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan.
Larry Grathwohl, an FBI informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, thought that Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, were probably the two most authoritative people within the organization.
Years underground
In 1970 he "went underground" with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were building exploded. Kathy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson survived the blast. Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him.[
Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and The Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Because of a water leak caused by the Pentagon bombing, aerial bombardments during the Vietnam War had to be halted for several days. Ayers writes:
Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy - weighing close to two pounds - it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt. In that same time, the Pentagon spent tens of millions of dollars and dropped tens of thousands of pounds of explosives on Viet Nam, killing or wounding thousands of human beings, causing hundreds of millions of dollars of damage.
If you take the Obama campaign at its word, the contention that there is a relationship between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama is “phony,” “tenuous,” a “stretch.” In Obama’s own words, Ayers was “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” certainly not a long time close political ally.
But a review of just the publicly known highlights of the Ayers-Obama relationship suggests a twenty year pattern of connections between the two.
At the heart of this “Top Ten” list is the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Ayers founded and Obama and Ayers co-chaired for five years, raising and spending at least $110 million in an effort to bolster a “radical” (Ayers’ word) reform program in the Chicago Public Schools from 1994 to 2001.
1) Out of the Woods:

The Woods Fund financed the hiring of Obama in 1985 by the Developing Communities Project.
According to The Nation: “The Woods Fund, in many ways, is responsible for helping start Obama as an organizer and shaping his political identity. In 1985 the foundation gave a $25,000 grant to the Developing Communities Project (aka the “DCP”), which hired Obama, at 24, as an organizer on Chicago’s economically depressed South Side.”
The Woods Fund was founded by the Woods family which owned the Illinois-based Sahara Coal Company, a major supplier of coal from its mines to major Illinois power companies. Commonwealth Edison, the giant Chicago-based electric power company was headed by Thomas Ayers, father of Bill Ayers.
Obama served on the board of the Woods Fund from 1993 until 2002. Bill Ayers joined the board of the Fund in 1999 and continues to serve on the board today. He chaired the board for two years during that time.
2) Know your ABCs:

Obama’s DCP supported radical school reform project together with Bill Ayers.
In 1987 in the wake of a controversial strike by the Chicago Teachers’ Union, the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools, or ABCs, was formed to lobby for a new Illinois law that would mandate the establishment of a new power center in Chicago public schools. Local school councils would be established to watchdog union teachers and their principals and they would have the power to fire principals at will.
Bill Ayers helped organize the ABCs group, was its contact person and later its chair. Barack Obama worked on school reform efforts for the DCP at that time and the DCP was a member of the ABCs. Chicago United, a business group established by Tom Ayers, Bill’s father, was also a member of the ABCs.
The Woods Fund also provided additional financial support to the DCP in 1988 to support its school reform efforts. A program officer of the Woods Fund at the time was Ken Rolling who would later be hired by Bill Ayers and Barack Obama as Executive Director of the $110 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
3) Putting on the White Shoe:

Obama and Dohrn worked for elite law firm Sidley and Austin

After surfacing from the Weather Underground in 1980 Bernardine Dohrn, wife of Bill Ayers, pled guilty to criminal charges related to the violent Days of Rage in Chicago in 1969 and received three years probation. She later refused to testify in front of a grand jury convened to investigate a bank robbery carried out by former comrades of Dohrn’s from the Weather Underground. Currently a clinical faculty member at Northwestern University School of Law, she told the New York Times that she thought grand juries were “illegal” and “coercive.” She served seven months in jail.
Because of the criminal convictions Dohrn, who received a law degree from the University of Chicago in 1967, was refused admission to the New York bar. Nonetheless, she was hired as a legal clerk by Sidley and Austin, a major Chicago law firm, in their New York office in 1984. Howard Trienens, then managing partner of the firm, recently told the Chicago Tribune that he arranged the hiring of Dohrn as a favor to his fellow Northwestern University trustee and classmate, Tom Ayers. Tom Ayers’ firm, Commonwealth Edison, has used Sidley as outside counsel for many years. She later worked in their Chicago office when she and Bill Ayers moved back to Chicago in 1987. She left Sidley in 1988.
Barack Obama left Chicago in the fall of 1988 to attend Harvard Law School. In the summer after his first year at Harvard he became an associate in the Chicago office of Sidley and Austin.

4) A hard rock miner:

Chicago lefty lawyer and Dohrn classmate Judson Miner hires Barack Obama out of Harvard.
Barack Obama returned to Harvard after his summer at Sidley and Austin in the fall of 1989. That fall he was elected the president of the Harvard Law Review, the first black person to hold the position. Although Obama could have returned to Sidley or perhaps clerked for the United States Supreme Court, a natural step for Law Review officers, he chose instead to work for Judson Miner, a partner in a small civil rights law firm in Chicago. Miner had been counsel to Chicago’s late black mayor, Harold Washington. Miner was also classmates with Bernardine Dohrn at the University of Chicago law school in 1967 where they were both were involved in anti-war activity.
5) Rising to the Challenge:

Ayers is named Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge founded by Bill Ayers
In late 1993, Bill Ayers, now an associate professor of education at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus, organized a team to put together a grant proposal to secure nearly $50 million from the Annenberg Challenge. The money was to be used by Ayers and co. to bolster the radical Local School Councils reform project that Ayers and Obama had championed back in 1988 through the ABCs.
The grant application was successful and in early 1995 Barack Obama was named chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers was named co-chair of the Challenge’s operative and strategic body, the Chicago School Reform Collaborative. Ayers and Obama work together for the next five years on raising an additional $60 million in matching money from local foundations and corporations and using the money to intervene in the governance of the Chicago public schools.
The Challenge through a multi-million dollar Leadership Development Initiative intervened in the School Council elections in the middle of what was known as the Chicago School Wars. At the same time Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was pushing, successfully, to gut the power of the Councils.
6) In the Palmer of his hand:

Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn host Obama’s state senate kick-off in their Hyde Park home
In the fall of 1995 Barack Obama began his first electoral campaign to replace State Senator Alice Palmer who was attempting to run for Congress. Palmer accompanied Obama to the Hyde Park home of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn for an introduction of Obama to the Hyde Park left. Unnamed Obama campaign aides told the New York Times that this was the first time that Obama met Ayers and Dohrn, part of the campaign’s effort to minimize the relationship between their candidate and the two authoritarian leftists. Of course that was wrong, as clearly Obama and Ayers had already met well before this “meet and greet.”
7) The “lost years”: Ayers and Obama to the rescue of troubled youth
In 1997 Bill Ayers published a book that criticized the treatment of juvenile defendants in the criminal justice system including the practice in some states of trying these individuals as adults. Barack Obama praised the book as a “searing and timely account” in the Chicago Tribune.
In late 1997 and 1998 a bill to impose “blended” sentencing on certain juvenile offenders was proposed in the Illinois legislature where Obama was now a state senator, representing the south side Chicago district that included Ayers and Dohrn’s Hyde Park neighborhood. The bill would have allowed parallel juvenile and adult sentences with the adult sentence held as a threat to be imposed if serious offenders violated terms of their juvenile conviction.
Obama, Dohrn and Ayers opposed the bill. Michelle Obama, now working at the University of Chicago in Hyde Park, organized a panel discussion there in late 1997 as the new bill was gaining momentum, to discuss Ayers’ book. Barack Obama and Ayers were on the panel and Obama was described in the event’s press release as ”working to block proposed legislation that would throw more juvenile offenders into the adult system.”
The “R” word:

Obama advisor promotes a reparations approach to education reform; Ayers endorses it
In 2006 Professor Gloria Ladson-Billings of the University of Wisconsin, the then president of the American Education Research Association (AERA), the nation’s leading School of Education professional association, proposed a new policy to tackle the problems of America’s public schools: the repayment of centuries of “education debt” that allegedly is owed to people of color as a result of slavery and discrimination. She rooted the concept in the literature supporting reparations for slavery.
In 2007 Linda Darling-Hammond, a prominent and respected professor at the Stanford University School of Education, endorsed the same idea in an article in The Nation. In late 2007 Darling-Hammond was named an education advisor to the Obama campaign. In February 2008 Darling-Hammond issued a blueprint for education reform by the next President that set as its #1 priority the repayment of the “education debt,” as proposed originally by Ladson-Billings.
Bill Ayers has endorsed the idea of repayment of the “education debt.” Ayers is now a Vice President-elect (Division B: Curriculum Studies) of the AERA.
A chapter called “Education for Democracy” by Darling-Hammond appeared in a volume co-edited by Ayers called A Light in Dark Times. A chapter co-authored by Ladson-Billings on “racing justice” appeared in a book co-edited by Ayers called Teaching for Social Justice: A Democracy and Education Reader. Ladson-Billings wrote the foreword to Ayers’ book, To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher. Ayers and Ladson-Billings are co-editors of City Kids, City Schools: More Reports from the Front Row just published. Ladson-Billings contributed a chapter in a book edited by Bill Ayers, Rick Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and Jesse L. Jackson called Zero Tolerance: Resisting the Drive for Punishment published in 2001.
More fundamentally, Bill Ayers introduced the concept of “white supremacy” as America’s original sin within the new left group SDS as part of his effort, together with his future wife Bernardine Dohrn, to hijack the student-led antiwar movement for his still-to-come terrorist actions as a leader of the Weather Underground.
Ayers argues that the fundamental issue in American life is “white skin privilege” - that white Americans benefit from being white at the expense of blacks.
Ayers himself wrote on his website in a January 19, 2008 essay on school reform:
“The dominant narrative in contemporary school reform is once again focused on exclusion and disadvantage, race and class, black and white. ‘Across the US,’ the National Governor’s Association declared in 2005, ‘a gap in academic achievement persists between minority and disadvantaged students and their white counterparts.’ This is the commonly referenced and popularly understood ‘racial achievement gap,’ and it drives education policy at every level. Interestingly, whether heartfelt or self-satisfied, the narrative never mentions the monster in the room: white supremacy….Gloria Ladson-Billings upends all of this with an elegant reversal: there is no achievement gap, she argues, but actually a glancing reflection of something deeper and more profound—America has a profound education debt. The educational inequities that began with the annihilation of native peoples and the enslavement of Africans, the conquest of the continent and the importation of both free labor and serfs, transformed into apartheid education, something anemic, inferior, inadequate, and oppressive. Over decades and centuries the debt has accumulated and is passed from generation to generation, and it continues to grow and pile up.”
Obama has several times during the campaign suggested that the kind of reparations he is for is increased spending on education.
9) A toast to the maoist:

Bill Ayers long time comrade Mike Klonsky blogs for Obama
One of Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dohrn’s comrades in the late 60s Students for a Democratic Society was Mike Klonsky. When Dohrn and Ayers moved in one direction toward the violent tactics of the Weather Underground, Klonsky, in the wake of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, dropped the pro-Russian communist politics of his parents and became a committed Maoist. As leader of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) in 1977 he travelled to Beijing and was toasted by the senior Beijing leadership.
When the crazy left of the 70s died in the 80s, Klonsky went to graduate school in education in Florida and then moved to Chicago. While driving a cab there he was recruited by his old friend Bill Ayers to head up a new project called the Small Schools Workshop in 1991. It’s offices were in the Department of Education building at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus where Ayers taught. In 1995 the newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge headed by Ayers and Obama gave the Workshop a grant of $175,000. The Annenberg Challenge also had its office space in the same building as Ayers Department and the Workshop, rent free courtesy of the University.
In 2008 Klonsky ran a blog on the official Obama campaign website on education policy and “social justice” teaching. When discussion of the Klonsky blog emerged in the blogosphere, it was promptly shut down by the campaign and all of the posts made by Klonsky were removed from the site.
10) The Great Debate: George v. Barack
There is little publicly available information on the precise relationship between Obama and Ayers today. I have been told by Linda Darling-Hammond that Ayers does not have any role in the campaign, although I do wonder how Ayers’ buddy Mike Klonsky could blog on the Obama website unless Ayers had a hand in it. Obama himself did not exactly eliminate any doubts on this score when asked about his relationship with Ayers during a debate with Hilary Clinton by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.
Obama said that Ayers was a professor of English (not Education) and was just a guy who lives in his neighborhood. Well, clearly not “just,” as we now know. But then Obama said that he does not exchange ideas with Ayers “on a regular basis.” Whatever that is supposed to mean (they debate the future of the world on an “irregular basis”?) it certainly fails to put the issue to rest.

Here is how Obama routinely describes his relationship with William Ayers
From ABC News Democratic Debate
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: And, Senator, if you get the nomination, you’ll have to beat back these distractions.
And I want to give Senator Clinton a chance to respond, but first a follow-up on this issue, general theme of patriotism, in your relationships. A gentleman named William Ayers. He was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that.
And, in fact, on 9/11, he was quoted in the New York Times saying, “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” An early organizing meeting for your State Senate campaign was held at his house and your campaign has said you are “friendly.”
Can you explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?
OBAMA: George, but this is an example of what I’m talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George….
So this kind of game in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, that somehow their ideas could be attributed to me, I think the American people are smarter than that. They’re not going to suggest somehow that that is reflective of my views, because it obviously isn’t.
Bill O’ Reilly Interview
OBAMA: In both his case and Father Pfleger's case, they've done great work in the community, and I worked in some very poor communities. That's how I got to know these folks because I was working in these neighborhoods. Now, on this Ayers thing, would you — you know, you've been hyping, Bill, pretty good.

O'REILLY: Not that much. You know, you were on the Woods Foundation.

OBAMA: Well, but here's the bottom line.

O'REILLY: Yes.
OBAMA: This guy did something despicable 40 years ago.

O'REILLY: You know, he did something despicable last week. He said he didn't do enough bombings. That's last week.

OBAMA: I haven't seen the guy in a year-and-a-half. But…

O'REILLY: But you know who he was. He's on the Woods Foundation board. You know he…
OBAMA: Let me finish my point, all right? Here's a guy who does something despicable when I'm 8 years old.

O'REILLY: OK.

OBAMA: All right? I come to Chicago. He's working with Mayor Richard Daley, not known to be a radical. So, he and I know each other as a consequence of work he's doing on education. That is not an endorsement of his views. That's not…

O'REILLY: Yes, but you guys partnered up on a youth crime bill. Do you remember that?

OBAMA: And it was a good bill.

O'REILLY: No, it wasn't. That bill said that if a youth commits a second violent felony, he does time in an adult prison. That's two shots. You said no. You know the Southside of Chicago. You know how many people are hurt.

OBAMA: Listen, you're absolutely right. My community gets hit by crime more than…

O'REILLY: And I'm right on that bill. You were wrong on that bill.

OBAMA: Well, I disagree with you on that bill. We're getting too far afield here.

O'REILLY: That's important though. You and Ayers were allied on that bill.

OBAMA: No, no. Look, he didn't write that bill.

O'REILLY: No, he was supporting it, and so were you.

OBAMA: Well…

O'REILLY: But you guys were together on it.

OBAMA: Hold on a second. Now we're getting…

O'REILLY: All right. If that's unfair, I'm sorry.

OBAMA: That's pretty flimsy. Here's the point, right? This guy is not part of my campaign. He's not some adviser of mine. He is somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know.
The problem that your viewers, your guys that — your folks, the folks you champion, the problem you're going through, the problems they're going through with trying to pay their bills, trying to keep their job, trying to move up in this world, their problem isn't Bill Ayers. It was Bill Ayers 40 years ago when he was blowing stuff up.

Posted by: the truth | September 14, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain is 72 years old and has *no* executive experience. Can any from the GOP explain the reason for this? I mean, if he wants to be president, and hasn't even run a small town, why should we vote for him? I guess he doesn't think it's that important.

Posted by: S. | September 14, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"whenever anyone asks any question about her credentials they are immediately shot down and branded."

Well, when you can't point to her "accomplishments" without inducing laughter, and when the party can't point to the great economic shape America is in, nor the fact that our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were executed swiftly and successfully, all rightwingers can do is shout down sensible questions and smear anyone who dares to challenge McCain.

One thing I've noticed is that, in all their idolatry of Palin, rightwingers have forgotten John McCain. If Palin is so cool, why not ask McCain to step down so she can head the ticket? I mean, she DOES have more executive experience than he does, after all.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"Great choice by McCain."

Sure. Name one policy she supports, or one thing she'd do, that would be great. Get creationism taught in schools? Show photographs she took of Russia from an island in Alaska? Show photographs of Ireland she took on the tarmac when her plane was being refueled?

Unlike Biden, who has more than 30 years of experience in national politics and who can help get Obama's agenda through Congress, Palin is pretty much a nobody.

But yeah, she is pretty and she kills moose, both of which the rightwing covet, so she's "great."

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

forget the debate about how much executive experience she has. it's a false debate because if all it takes is to run a very small town and be governor for a couple of years, then there are lots of people who have done that. if executive experience is the only factor, then what about the hotshot woman in my town that heads the Chamber of Commerce?

no. it is what she has THOUGHT about and considered that is the question. how widely read is she? has she debated foreign policy issues, or shown curiousity about them.

ok, she has some ideas about energy. I don't agree with them, but at least they are some ideas.

what is particularly scary is not how few qualifications she has, in comparison to past VP candidates, but moreso, whenever anyone asks any question about her credentials they are immediately shot down and branded. any natural questioning of her, that any responsible citizen would ask about of any candidate for anything, is considered suspect.

the best (or worst) example of this is the Campbell Brown interview of Tucker Bounds.

reason itself is up for grabs.

Posted by: andy | September 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

"hat if Democrats talked about rural and middle class folks without gagging?"

How about giving us some citations of Democrats who have talked about rural and middle class folks and gagged? Or are you just another rightwing parrot?

Obama's tax plan would give cuts to 80 percent of individuals/families. How would that NOT benefit the middle class?

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

SNL of Today: A has-been show whose main viewership is tweenies and HS kids sneaking beers, joints and cigarettes thinking they're sooo coool. That's exactly why Tina & Amy pump out so much toilet humor.

Posted by: Dr. Dave | September 14, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

It's bad when the comedienne imitating the candidate is more knowledgeable and qualified than the actual candidate herself.

seriously

Tina Fey is more knowledgeable of the issues, smarter by a landslide, and has more "executive " experience with actual real challenges...(as they are discovering Palin's Mayoral and Gubernatoarail duties were not typical or as extensive as others... especially in a state whose legislature is active literally 90 days of the year...and whose economy is completely protected by oil revenues and earmarks).

I am telling you don't be surprised if Cheney Rove and mcCain pull a "Dave" sometime soon...and Palin starts looking even more like Fey...lol

at least then we would know McCain's judgement isn't as bad as ...well it is.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Tina Fey was great last night and very funny. Still love Palin though!. Despite the frantic liberal angst about her she connects with a large segment of America, including women. Great choice by McCain...I think the election is pretty much over and it's time to watch Obama and the libs implode (once again).

Posted by: daman1 | September 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

because its more concise

Yes, Tim, let's all take grammar advice from someone who uses "its" when he means "it's."

Posted by: Grammar Sheriff | September 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"she's had more actual experience."

At lying, maybe. Read the articles on what she did as mayor of a town of 5,500. Read on how she's been a firm believer in cronyism in her 20 months as governor of Alaska.

Read how she continues to lie about opposing the bridge to nowhere, and about her non-trip to a battle zone in Iraq. Read about her transferring colleges five times in six years. Read about how she thinks she has foreign policy experience because Alaska is near Russia. Read about how she lied when she said Alaska produces 20 percent of America's energy.

As long as you are at it, read about how in an interview in Maine, McCain claimed that Palin knows more about energy than anyone else in the United States.

What a stupid thing to say! More knowledge about energy than anyone else in America?

America is deep in debt, unemployment is up, fuel prices are high, and tens of millions of us have inadequate health care. Yet instead of offering solutions, or even welcoming debate, all the rightwing has to offer are smear tactics.

Why do you guys hate America so much?

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is still LYING about the Bridge to Nowhere funds. ABC's evening news just showed video of her still using her fully debunked "Thanks but no thanks" claim before an audience in Carson City, Nevada.

Posted by: what else is Palin lying about? | September 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The Big What If (not from a liberal Harvard Law AA prof):

What if 77% of America was white?

What if 51% of America was female?

What if 90% of Americans were not living in a mansion and sending kids to ballet classes?

What if 60 years of Democratic Congresses had failed to raise working class and middle class standards, but resulted in Democratic areas being the MOST racially and economically segregated?

What if whites counted?

What if blacks who for 7 generations had not been enslaved did not claim victimhood?

What if Palin has 5 kids but Bobby Kennedy had 11?

What if Palin chose not to murder her own baby?

What if Palin speaks her mind?

What if Palin goes to church?

What if Palin is smart, works hard, and is pretty?

What if most Americans work hard and are happy?

What if Palin laughs, smiles, can multitask, and has some idea how things in THE REAL WORLD work?

What if Democrats found a real candidate like Gene Taylor, a social conservative?

What if Democrats did not, each 4 years, trot out Ted Kennedy, and salute the NARAL flag?

What if Democrats talked about rural and middle class folks without gagging?

What if? They might actually win. Amazing, but true.

Posted by: Democrat Equals Unequal | September 14, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah scaresYah"

You're right and she should scare you too.

remember the scene id "when a Stranger calls" where the babysitter gets the crank caller and hangs up for the 15th time...and as she does...the police are calling...

she picks up and they say

"he's in the house! the call is coming from in the house! get out of the house"

as the camera pans toward the top of the stairs and we see the shadow of whoever's in the house standing in the door at the top of the stairs...

Now imagine like Dick cheney sarah palin is asking for permission to shoot down commercial airliners over NYC, or she has to make a decision to start a nuclear world war III...

same feeling huh?

Posted by: dl | September 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah sacreYah"

You're right and she should scare you too.

remember the scene id "when a Stranger calls" where the babysitter gets the crank caller and hangs up for the 15th time...and as she does...the police are calling...

she picks up and they say

"he's in the house! the call is coming from in the house! get out of the house"

as the camera pans toward the top of the stairs and we see the shadow of whoever's in the house standing in the door at the top of the stairs...

Now imagine like Dick cheney sarah palin is asking for permission to shoot down commercial airliners over NYC, or she has to make a decision to start a nuclear world war III...

same feeling huh?

Posted by: dl | September 14, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

To SSy, a tiny part of what you say is sadly, true.

The greater reality however is that by appealing to people in a certain way (sorry, I'm in a hurry), you will get into office and dismantle what a lot of those people hold dear.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I do have to laugh at the republicans newly fighting 'sexism' - what hypocrites.

McCain is using Palin as a mommy shield to deflect questions on his plans for the White House.

Posted by: McGreen | September 14, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News

Tina Fey was kidnapped last night and dragged to a secret meeting in the white house.

From out of a back room Karl Rove, D!ck Cheney and John McCain come out and approach her saying...

"Tina...we made a mistake...we think you are more qualified to be the Backup leader of the free world and we are going to switch you out...

reports of your early demise will be solicited tomorrow...that you were attacked by a mass of terrorist on the streets of New York...who were upset about you making fun of sarah palin...

but we understand now that you understand these issues and have more know how and qualifications than she has"

"Tina will you serve your country?"

Tina - "well what is going to happen to Gov Palin"

Cheney - "uh she will be vacationing in ...uh" (looks at Rove)"in Saudi arabia at one our secre...our secret vacation places"
"oh"

Rove.."how do you feel about mooseburgers?"

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet Translator | September 14, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm> From googling political polls"

270 electoral votes are needed to win this election and if you check the following table, you will notice that both candidates are barely at that 270 mark.
Method Obama McCain
Latest Poll Per State 268 270

That's 270 electoral votes for McCain, 268 for Obama as of now.

Posted by: annonymouse | September 14, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, stop it Dems. This whole skit was wonderful. The butch shattered Hillary, Tina posing. It was perfect. Not since Legally Blonde has there been a better lampooning of the pompous Dems and more self-effacing humor directed at Palin's image.

She laughed. America loves Palin.

They hate Obama. A humorless prig and blowhard.

Oh, and yes, riotous Joe Biden.

The fireball of the Senate.

Stand up, paraplegic in a wheelchair, he said.

Democratic Geniuses.

Palin is phenomenal. And, God forbid, fairly normal.

I know you are heartbroken you can't come up with a candidate from the middle class, a woman, a mother of more than one hedge fund yuppie, or even locate a working class white with both hands. Much less not sniff at "the hick."

That whole "inclusive" shtick was a ruse, no?

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Posted by: 37th&OMGstreet | September 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Tina Fey for VP!

Posted by: Monica | September 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "The real issue for me is the Republican Party has changed over the last 20-30 years and is no longer the party it used to be."

Hilarious, and you think that the Democratic Party has not changed from 20-30 years ago. Just ask Texans, who 30 years ago couldn't find a Republican, and now every elected state government official is now a Republican. Yep, the Democratic Party brought it on themselves.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

This skit brilliantly highlights why every Clinton supporter should be firmly against Palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

RMOrrow,

Read my posts again.

I am telling OTHER democrats not to attack Palin!

How in the world can you not see that?

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"R Morrow,

Belly ache all you want. I am a proud liberal progressive democrat, and I wrote what you pasted into the first part of your post, so.

Kindly resist implying that all Democrats think this way or that way."

Have no idea what you are rambling about and I could really care less that you are a "proud progressive democrat." So what?

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"I hear so much hatred on this blog. Isn't there a better way to contribute to bettering the world?

Posted by: Libertarian"

Yes, we should be tolerant like you and call any who don't share your own views "Demopublicans".


Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"RMorrow's anger and lashing out are the main reasons not to bring up these non-governing related issues like family, college, etc...

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:46 PM"

Look at your posts. Please tell me why my posts are angry and "lashing out" but your hateful rants are not.

Could it be that you are just one more liberal hypocrite? Obviously.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Win, your use of myriad is fine. Grammar Sheriff, check the definition at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/myriad

or consult Garner's Dictionary of Modern American Usage.

You'll see "myriad" is used acceptably as both noun and adjective. I prefer adjective form, because its more concise: "a myriad of reasons" (noun) vs. "myriad reasons" (adj.). But either is correct.

Posted by: Tim | September 14, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

James, unfortunately Barack is not Bill.

No one in this race comes close to him.

Ah, for a benign dictatorship.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

C'mon people now - smile on your brother.
We hold our cherished views so tightly.
Those who disagree with us are OBVIOUSLY stupid or corrupt or agents of Satan.
I, for one, have never met any of these Demopublican politicians. I see them on TV. I don't believe for one minute that there is a whit of difference between them in the end. Hell, I'm not even for my own party's candidate. "None of the above" is my choice. Anybody who wants the job is insane. Maybe the Presidency should be a penalty. Love of office should disqualify one from winning.
I hear so much hatred on this blog. Isn't there a better way to contribute to bettering the world?

Posted by: Libertarian | September 14, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

What a shame that McCain use such a trick to put next in the line someone who's there only because she's young and feminin. Does he really care if this person can take the responsibility if anything happens to him in presidency? No, he doesn't care, he just want this "Palin Phenomenon", hopefully, last a bit longer than two months. People are easy to be manipulated. They like the ideas: "She's as normal as we are." "She does not need experience in anything because we want changes." "She will be the model of all the American women."...

Do you really want a leader to govern the country? Or you give hope to the VP being trained during the presidency (if she's competent) at the cost of the whole country???

American, where are you heading to???

People accuse that Obama should be wiser to choose Clinton. I will say that's the most responsible thing about him: His vision is not about just an election to win the power. He focuses in the effectivity of presidency. Clinton could help him win the WH, but she will also after bring all kinds of clash inside the House!!! Obama is responsible for his decision, and he will win the place with his far-sighted vision.

Wake up, American!

Posted by: Rolanda Woo | September 14, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

What a shame that McCain use such a trick to put next in the line someone who's there only because she's young and feminin. Does he really care if this person can take the responsibility if anything happens to him in presidency? No, he doesn't care, he just want this "Palin Phenomenon", hopefully, last a bit longer than two months. People are easy to be manipulated. They like the ideas: "She's as normal as we are." "She does not need experience in anything because we want changes." "She will be the model of all the American women."...

Do you really want a leader to govern the country? Or you give hope to the VP being trained during the presidency (if she's competent) at the cost of the whole country???

American, where are you heading to???

People accuse that Obama should be wiser to choose Clinton. I will say that's the most responsible thing about him: His vision is not about just an election to win the power. He focuses in the effectivity of presidency. Clinton could help him win the WH, but she will also after bring all kinds of clash inside the House!!! Obama is responsible for his decision, and he will win the place with his far-sighted vision.

Wake up, American!

Posted by: Rolanda | September 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

's all i'm sayin

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

It's the economy, stupid!

Posted by: James Carville | September 14, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Because Obama was to be on the show they scaled back what they would do on Palin. They had rehearsed a skit where Palin and her family were depicted like the "Dukes of Hazzard". Barefoot with the daughters pregnant and the family seeming really backwoods and stupid. Look to see it maybe next week.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

@Grammar Sheriff
("for myriad reasons." "Myriad" is an adjective.")

I am afraid, my dear Sheriff, the issue is not that simple."Myriad" is and can be used as a noun. I have kindly attached the Merriam Webster page on 'myriad'.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/myriad

Posted by: Englishismy2ndlanguage | September 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I hate how the country has been divided like a banana-boat republic with so-called libs and conserv hating on each other.

This is rovian bs and it shows no patriotism and a preoccupation with non-issues and selfish, self-centered imbecility. Divide and conquer.

America gets weaker everyday.
The Amerincan Dream, a nightmare of squabbling.

Posted by: Sick of it | September 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

How can you tell when John McCain and Sarah Palin are lying?

Their mouths are moving.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Because Obama was to be on the show they scaled back what they would do on Palin. They had rehearsed a skit where Palin and her family were depicted like the "Dukes of Hazzard". Barefoot with the daughters pregnant and the family seeming really backwoods and stupid. Look to see it maybe next week.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"Nonsense! You think the Repubs will take the high road WRT Obama/Biden?"

I am saying IT WON'T WORK. It just ALIENATES people!

We have (I mean had) a real effin chance here. But we blew it? You hear? We blew it.

Because we did not focus on the concept of McSame enough. You gotta hammer that home all the time. Focusing on Sarah Palin

HIGHLIGHTS SARAH PALIN

She is NOT - repeat not not not - what this election is about!!!!!!

Everyone attacking her is sending voters to her

IN DROVES.

Criticize those voters all you want, sure. But that won't bring them back.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It's fun to spoof Palin. Not everything she's done is perfect, but it sure looks better than obamas record and she's had more actual experience. Obama says he'll fix everything (he'll balance the budget($500b), fight two wars, federally fund low income workers healthcare and have healthcare for all childern, new jobs for those needing one....AND cut taxes for 95% of americans...plus, everyone gets free Koolaid after you vote.......
His "I have a dream" speeches are fine, but if you believe it you're naive and a fool. And watch out for the koolaid.

Posted by: s | September 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

RMorrow's anger and lashing out are the main reasons not to bring up these non-governing related issues like family, college, etc...

Just don't touch them.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:46 PM

Nonsense! You think the Repubs will take the high road WRT Obama/Biden? Didn't think so.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"for myriad reasons." "Myriad" is an adjective."

Thank you Grammar Sheriff. English composition wasn't my area of study. ;)

Posted by: win | September 14, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

rmorrow, there's all the difference in the world between kids having only one parent (like Biden's children after their mother's and sister's deaths) and having two parents (like Sarah and Todd Palin). Biden, who was his surviving chidren's sole means of support, didn't come from money so had no choice but to work. At least in the Senate he got good health insurance coverage for their extensive medical care following the auto accident.

Posted by: get your facts straight | September 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I like to watch.
The other side is evil
We are right.

Posted by: Libertarian | September 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

RMorrow's anger and lashing out are the main reasons not to bring up these non-governing related issues like family, college, etc...

Just don't touch them.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

get your facts straight -

Use whatever convoluted and useless logic you need to judge someone else family decisions differently for partisan reasons. Nobody but an idiot partisan like yourself would make such meaningless distinctions. You are spending a lot of time on ignorant self-denial, but hey you are an angry liberal, so what do you expect?

You think all hypocrites don't have some rationale for their double standards? You are just one of many partisan sheep who is outright stupid enough to really believe that his politicians are always the "good guys" and the other side "the bad guys". How stupid an naive can one be?

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, unlike Biden who after the death of his children's mother and siblings went right to work. But he is a man, so liberals allow him to do what he wants. Hypocrisy is clearly a prerequisite for becoming a liberal.


Palin has a husband who supposedly works, or at least ought to be helping support his family.

Biden was the sole support of his family. After the death of his first wife and one of their children, he did not want to take the Senate seat to which he was elected, but his sister took an active role in raising the surviving two children once they were out of the hospital so he could support them. Almost all nights when the Senate was in session Biden took the train home to Delaware to be with his family. He remarried a few years later.

Posted by: get your facts straight | September 14, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"I think I'll watch "Being There".

Posted by: Libertarian"

You should watch "Bob Roberts" too if you want to see the model for Obama's candidacy. Jack Black's zombie-like adoration of Roberts is the prototype for the unthinking Obama supporter.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

R Morrow,

Belly ache all you want. I am a proud liberal progressive democrat, and I wrote what you pasted into the first part of your post, so.

Kindly resist implying that all Democrats think this way or that way.

Or not. Maybe you can't be broad-minded.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Dave II"

they switch out Tina fey for Sarah Palin in the middle of the night soon.

and then they will make a sequel.

she is more knowledgeable and more qualified.

she produces a show with a bigger budget and more issues than Palin had to in Alaska.

seriously

and she actually could have answered Charlie gibsons's questions a hell of a lot better.

seriously...don't be surprised if one of these days ...Sarah Palin starts looking a lot more like Tina fey.

Posted by: dl | September 14, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The SNL skit was good and very funny. The real issue for me is the Republican Party has changed over the last 20-30 years and is no longer the party it used to be.

Posted by: Jackwolf | September 14, 2008 3:22 PM
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That's exactly it. I've been a Republican for the past 20 years, but no more. GW Bush has made a complete mess of things, and the evangelicals appear to call the shots now. The fact that Republicans can defend Sarah Palin with a straight face is galling. I hope they're doing it for strictly political reasons, because if they really believe what they say, I fear for the nation. I haven't become a Democrat, but I'm voting for Obama. All of his proposed policies may not appeal to me, but I think he has the temperament, judgement, and wisdom to lead this country to a better place.

Posted by: SMC | September 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, Win. Exactly.

All this focus on Sarah Palin is just misplaced!

Imagine if the focus were even 75% on McCain, that Alaska accent clamoring for recognition would start to sound mighty strident as opposed to perhaps charming (hey! I said perhaps).

Why people don't see this....beyond me.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

for a myriad of reasons

"for myriad reasons." "Myriad" is an adjective.

Posted by: Grammar Sheriff | September 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Man, this is a lot of time spent on an SNL skit.
I was laughing all through it.
I think I'll watch "Being There".

Posted by: Libertarian | September 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"She didn't quit after Trig because she was governor and really can't abandon her post AND by then she presumably had gotten better at work life balance."

Yeah, unlike Biden who after the death of his children's mother and siblings went right to work. But he is a man, so liberals allow him to do what he wants. Hypocrisy is clearly a prerequisite for becoming a liberal.


Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

the more I think about it...
seriously

how scary is it that Mccain picked his first decision ...the one for his back up to be the leader of the free world...

and the woman imitating her is more qualified and knowledgeable on the massive issues we face than...she actually is...

and if her little bitty executive experience (which those in her office have now started to come out and say ..."she ain't qualified for national office never mind be VP...yes some of her closest employees who had no vendetta to serve said they couldn't sleep with their consciences if they didn't speak up and say..."she's not qualified")

but if her little bitty executive experience in a state that has less people thna most major cities in the US.... with an economy that completely floates on oil economics and earmarks...

is so good... then Tina Fey with overseeing a multi million dollar show...for two years and being the head writer for SNL seems comparable...

how scary is it when the woman playing the candidate is arguably ...but has a pretty good shot at being more qualified and knowledgeable about the issues

than the actual candidate.

Fey is arguably a better choice I think.

seriously

oy

how bad is that?

Posted by: dl | September 14, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

The issue of Ms. Palin's "college hopping" is really a non-issue (Please don't take this as an endorsement of her!). There are plenty of well educated folks who transfer to different institutions for a myriad of reasons. The point is her lack of knowledge (or genuine interest) regarding American Government, history, politics, foreign relations, and our Constitution. She is a frighteningly empty bucket.

Posted by: win | September 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Who will make Trig, Piper and Willow eat their vegetables if Mom's VP and Dad's off snowmobiling or fishing?

Posted by: to Palin Rocks | September 14, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Good acting ...and left wing barbs...from a show that was funny in the 70's. SNL would still be funny if it were't for NBC's continued catcalls and slaps at the GOP which tends to diminish the incredible risk voters are considering of putting a rookie do-nothing black dude in the drivers seat. Nobama voters..."just dont get it". He ain't magic folks so wake up.


Posted by: sam cunningham | September 14, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, emotional instability, like Lady MacBeth?

Sounds like a winning formula!

(sarcasm)

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Sohail asks: Can anyone explain how Sarah Palin is different from Bush?

Easy one. Here's the top ten ways.

TEN. Different species. Palin is a pitbull. As we know, Bush is the south end of a horse.

NINE. Compared to Bush's hometown of Crawford (pop. 705), Palin's the product of big city culture: her Wasilla (pop. 5500), after all, was recently proclaimed Duck Tape capitol of the world.

EIGHT. Palin can explain the offsides rule in hockey; Bush posed once with the Anaheim Mighty Ducks after they won that big trophy thing.

SEVEN. Palin keeps trying to figure out how the Russian army managed to invade Georgia without going through Florida. Bush isn't so stupid: he knows that Georgia's right next to Russia on the Red Sea, and back when it was part of the Soviet Union, all the top Soviet leaders used to have drachmas on the beach there.

SIX. Palin can dress a moose; as commander in chief, Bush doesn't have time to worry about what mooses like to wear.

FIVE. Palin’s has the superior understanding of economic theory: Bush thinks the economy is just fine; Palin knows it’s not – her redevelopment plan for Alaska calls for increasing tourist revenue by setting up “swimming polar bears” excursions.

FOUR. From her front window, Palin can gaze into a foreign country, Russia; from his front window, Bush can gaze into a foreign country, the District of Columbia.

THREE. Bush was happy to go to war with Iraq; Palin’s holding out for Russia.

TWO. If Bush could run for re-election as President, he’d probably get more votes than if Palin ran for re-election as mayor of Wasilla.

ONE. Palin thinks the world is 6000 years old; Bush is inclined to agree, but he can’t figure out then how to explain dinosaurs, fossils, and John McCain.

Posted by: havener938 | September 14, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Rage of Self Destruction is the funniest thing EVER. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I pray to God, Palin, your Mom, is President.

Now shut up and eat your vegetables, millenials.

Posted by: Palin Rocks | September 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"Country First"?

Why not "Family First"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"I think that, based on the fact she transferred colleges five times in six years, she owes it to the American electorate to release her transcripts, or at least to explain to us why she was such a transient."

No.

Who cares?

It might be a sign of serious emotional instability.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Tina Fey is more qualified to be VP than Palin.

seriously...

she gets the issues more and grasps them more than Sarah Palin

maybe the mcCain campaign can pull a "Dave"

and switch Palin out with Fey?

then they would at least show they partly put the "country first"

seriously overwhelmingly think about...

I bet Fey could have told you what the Bush doctrine was...along with every other newsworthy piece of the administrations last 8 years.

I bet she knows what the news stories were.

She actually has travelled and met heads of state... understand more than the American hunting culture.

She actually understands and believes in equality for women.

I think they have to admit when the woman who is intimidating your choice for VP is more knowledgable about the issues we face...than the actual candidate...

you made a big booboo.

Posted by: dl | September 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"I think that, based on the fact she transferred colleges five times in six years, she owes it to the American electorate to release her transcripts, or at least to explain to us why she was such a transient."

No.

Who cares?

"My experience in academia has been that the best students usually finish their undergrad degrees at one, sometimes two universities. The ones who hop around a lot tend to have problems, and many of them drop out of college altogether."

Nope.

We Americans deserve to know "Why?"

Maybe, so go find out, and get back to us.

Will "McSame" work?

This name that I saw originally hurled around comments page, originally bugging me, might actually work.

Yep, crazy juvenile. But what about the Republican strategies of late?

Fight fire with fire.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

well the only thing i needed to know is that Palin kills animals. My vote goes to Obama to keep the compassionless animal killer out of the white house.

Posted by: Pat | September 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"How do we KNOW that Sarah actually HAS her degree?"

I think that, based on the fact she transferred colleges five times in six years, she owes it to the American electorate to release her transcripts, or at least to explain to us why she was such a transient.

Would any employer out there risk hiring a person with that sort of track record without getting an adequate explanation?

Doubtful.

My experience in academia has been that the best students usually finish their undergrad degrees at one, sometimes two universities. The ones who hop around a lot tend to have problems, and many of them drop out of college altogether.

Palin may have been following a boyfriend around, or may have just been a restless student, or some other defensible reason. But because she has stretched the truth in other regards about what she's done and where she has gone, we Americans deserve to know "Why?"

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The moment Tina Fey came on and started speaking as Sarah Palin, I knew she nailed it. I was instantly impressed! That was an absolutely hilarious sketch. It was probably one of the best SNL political sketches of all time!!

Posted by: Shaun | September 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"Please explain why you are comfortable with Obama BEING the President if Palin can't be a heartbeat away."

For years Obama has demonstrated his depth of understanding of the complicated landscape of foreign relations.

Unlike McCain, Obama knows that Iraq and Pakistan don't share a border. Unlike McCain, Obama knows that Iran isn't training al-Qaeda, and sending them to Iraq. Unlike McCain, Obama knows that Czechoslovakia is no longer a single nation. Unlike Palin, Obama doesn't have to be spoon fed talking points when discussing the Middle East. Unlike Palin, Obama knows that Iraq didn't attack the U.S. Unlike Palin, Obama chaired the European and NATO subcommittees of the foreign relations committee.

Palin, although being Governor of a state close to the Bering Strait, doesn't even know that Georgia was the aggressor in the recent flap over South Ossetia.

Posted by: tvi | September 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"A handicapped infant is going to require many years of much more intense parental care than a non-handicapped one. If Sarah plays her cards right, she could have eight years as VP followed by eight years as President, and thus abdicate nearly all her parental duties toward Trig"

Good Lord.

The last thing she'll have as VP is support, I guess.

Come on now: are you really a Republican?

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Palin is qualified to be is a MILF.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Millions of mothers every year are faced with these choices and its really none of your business to judge them on what they decide.

Posted by: Valerie | September 14, 2008 5:01 PM

Yet Palin would question my right to family planning.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Why does Palin feel the need to lie? Or is it that she is just incredibly inept? Maybe she just confused numbers she was spoon fed by the McCain campaign during her two-week-long cram session.

Anyhow, here is another Palin lie from her recent interview, via factcheck.org:

"Palin: Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States."

Factcheck's response: It's simply untrue that Alaska produces anything close to 20 percent of the U.S. "energy supply," a term that is generally defined as energy consumed. That category includes power produced in the U.S. by nuclear, coal, hydroelectric dams and other means – as well as all the oil imported into the country.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

She didn't quit after Trig because she was governor and really can't abandon her post AND by then she presumably had gotten better at work life balance.

Yup, she farmed some of her kids out (one of whom got knocked up for lack of adequate adult supervision), saddled her husband with the others.

A handicapped infant is going to require many years of much more intense parental care than a non-handicapped one. If Sarah plays her cards right, she could have eight years as VP followed by eight years as President, and thus abdicate nearly all her parental duties toward Trig.

See the Post article re families that had children with Down Syndrome.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Now that I think about it, when I said

"She fills positions based on loyalty,"

This might be the way to go here

I'm not so sure.

I'm telling you, this woman is brilliant (politically). She would counter that by saying, "Yes, but I am the competence. I am the one who came in with a competent vision, and the people who replaced the ones who were fired are fulfilling my vision of a more competent government. They just happen to agree with my vision."

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

She quit after becoming pregnant with her eldest son Trak.

Posted by: Valerie | September 14, 2008 4:39 PM

Isn't it curious that she didn't quit her job after becoming pregnant with her son Trig?

Posted by: do I detect some inconsistency here? | September 14, 2008 4:44 PM


How dare you question that?!?! That is absurd! If she choose to quit her job when she became a first-time mother, or not quit her job after she had her fifth, that is her decision to make. And it has no real value to anything having to do with her politics. Millions of mothers every year are faced with these choices and its really none of your business to judge them on what they decide.

Posted by: Valerie | September 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

posted by just wonderin'

"Which part is untrue? That the librarian got her job back? So that means that Sarah's firing her doesn't count?

I guess Sarah's support for the Bridge to Nowhere doesn't count against her either, by similar contorted logic."

Yes, that seems to be the logic that her followers would have us all believe. Strange, isn't it?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

How do we KNOW that Sarah actually HAS her degree? She college-hopped like mad, which raises reasonable questions about what her problems were. Her lack of participtation on the school paper/TV/radio (where she could gain experience while being mentored by professional journalists) is pretty strange for someone who wants to work in the field. How many professional reporters can you think of who were journalism majors without ever being on the school paper, TV or radio station? I doubt there are many nowadays.

Posted by: Jus' wonderin' | September 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

She didn't quit after Trig because she was governor and really can't abandon her post AND by then she presumably had gotten better at work life balance.

To - TVI:
"However, all indications suggest that she has been as corrupt and inept as her predecessors. As we begin to get a more complete picture of this woman, we see a familiar pattern of hubris which belies her apparent lack of intellectual curiosity. This does not equate to stupidity, but it is ignorance, and it does reveal an all-too-familiar pattern."

You are on to something here. But leave out words like "hubris." And saying things like lack of intellectual curiosity is alienating. Drop it. Don't ever say stupidity. Ever.

"She is clearly capable she of regurgitating talking points which she has been spoon fed, but is obviously not broadly informed."

Not so much. Avoid 'regurgitating.' Keep it simple. This point is weak.

"Despite an obvious lacking of depth of knowledge, she is over-confident in her own convictions, and has very little use for any bits of data which do not reinforce her chosen superstitions and/or her worldview."

Overconfidence - great concept. Keep it. But massage the heck out of it, otherwise...sexist. Don't say "obvious" "Lacking" "depth" "knowledge." Sorry, but those are no-go words. We're in the home stretch here.

"She fills positions based on loyalty,"

This might be the way to go here

"not competence, and seems to posses an obvious contempt for anything or anyone that stands in the way of her political ambitions."

Again, there's that word - "obvious" - again and ambition -- be very very careful.

"There is no doubt that Palin's Presidential readiness is so laughable that it doesn't even pass the smell test. But the neo-cons see her as a ticket to victory, so her obvious lack of qualifications are easily overlooked in favor of the potential to continue inflicting damage upon the nation."

Ok, that is just a Democratic talking point. I agree. But no one else will.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

although it is true that i am a well-documented LIAR it is simply untrue that i have had repeated bouts of Level II Melanoma. of course... i am a known LIAR.

just search youtube for "health records must be released."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvesa49zSIM

Posted by: George W. McLiar | September 14, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Which part is untrue? That the librarian got her job back? So that means that Sarah's firing her doesn't count?

I guess Sarah's support for the Bridge to Nowhere doesn't count against her either, by similar contorted logic.

Posted by: Just' wonderin' | September 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah's undergraduate degree in journalism might be helpful in knowing how to get people to swallow false propaganda by repeating it over and over. (See: "Thanks, but no thanks")"

Yeah, I kind of get it. But it's more preaching to the converted, so to speak.

People who like her (and those are the kind of people who really like her) really won't care one way or the other. She could have experimented with same sex relationships in college or high school, and they'd still like her. Seriously.

The best strategy I'll say it UH GAIN is maybe not go after her, unless it is with coup de grace(es) about her record, and it's gotta be a perfectly delivered, air tight coup de grace, with every scenario of a counter punch war played out, but rather McCain, and for Obama to find his passion and grab people again. He hasn't been the same man since about March or April.

We gotta wake up.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

In judging potential competence, one must look at the culmination of life experiences which have defined a person's existence.

Being extremely kind to Palin, we can at best affirm that she was no intellectual giant, but she was successful at calculating the Alaskan political landscape, and adept at capitalizing on the discontent with the corruption and incompetence of the existing administration to charm her way into positions of power.

However, all indications suggest that she has been as corrupt and inept as her predecessors. As we begin to get a more complete picture of this woman, we see a familiar pattern of hubris which belies her apparent lack of intellectual curiosity. This does not equate to stupidity, but it is ignorance, and it does reveal an all-too-familiar pattern.

Palin appears to be cut from the exact same mold as George Bush Jr. Here's how:

She is clearly capable she of regurgitating talking points which she has been spoon fed, but is obviously not broadly informed.

Despite an obvious lacking of depth of knowledge, she is over-confident in her own convictions, and has very little use for any bits of data which do not reinforce her chosen superstitions and/or her worldview.

She fills positions based on loyalty, not competence, and seems to posses an obvious contempt for anything or anyone that stands in the way of her political ambitions.

There is no doubt that Palin's Presidential readiness is so laughable that it doesn't even pass the smell test. But the neo-cons see her as a ticket to victory, so her obvious lack of qualifications are easily overlooked in favor of the potential to continue inflicting damage upon the nation.

Posted by: tvi | September 14, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The more I think of McCains pick, the more outraged I become. What this man has done is endangered our country by picking someone who can help him win whose only claim to foreign experience is being able to see Russia from her home state. So much for country first! No, it is more like McCain first, to hell with country. Even objective, critical thinking republicans recognize this.

It is this reason I chose Hillary first before Obama, she had more experience. But at least Obama has been on the foreign relations commitee in congress and has seen the world. Palin has NONE, ZIPPO! McCain gambled our future away when he threw the dice named Palin.

Posted by: Narnia | September 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters can't see trees for the forest, nor separate hype from hope.

Once McCain picked Palin as VP the Great Obama '08 march to the cliff began in earnest.

Skeletons from the Great Kerry and Gore marches await them at the bottom.

Posted by: dom | September 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Ah, but I never said she demanded that books be banned, just that she inquired as to HOW."

Yeah, but you didn't say that you said:

"Fired the librarian for refusing to tell her how she could get books banned. Was forced to rehire the librarian due to public outcry.""

As FactCheck states, that is just an email rumor that ignorant liberals like yourself still believe.


Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Maniacal Rudy, deployed to Denver as a surrogate, is trashing Obama for lack of credentials as a future president and literally 2 days later, redeployed as a spinmeister is singing Palin's praises as an experienced candidate fit to take over the presidency.

The chutzpah of the Republican Party is breathtaking. I was taught it is a sin to lie. Don't know what deity the Republican party worships, but it apparently tolerates and rewards bearing false witness.

We've already launched a war against a state of mind in the War on Terror, let's consider please a war on Chutzpah and intellectual dishonesty in politics.

Palin is a failin'

I agree she was probably confused which Bush Doctrine was being invoke by Chuck--- the one about pre-emptive action related to WMD or the part about "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists".

That dog (or pig with lipstick, if you wish)don't hunt.

Posted by: Scatoma | September 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

She quit after becoming pregnant with her eldest son Trak.

Posted by: Valerie | September 14, 2008 4:39 PM

Isn't it curious that she didn't quit her job after becoming pregnant with her son Trig?

Posted by: do I detect some inconsistency here? | September 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

To jus wondering, Sarah did do a brief stint as a sports reporter on a local news show in Anchorage Alaska, the station was KTTU. She quit after becoming pregnant with her eldest son Trak.

Posted by: Valerie | September 14, 2008 4:39 PM

But that's not the question I asked. I asked about her absence of experience in college.

Posted by: Jus' wonderin' | September 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

From Wasilla, AK
Heaven help us if she can be VP or P. Joke is on us if we vote her in.

Posted by: Scott | September 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Sarah's undergraduate degree in journalism might be helpful in knowing how to get people to swallow false propaganda by repeating it over and over. (See: "Thanks, but no thanks")

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

To jus wondering, Sarah did do a brief stint as a sports reporter on a local news show in Anchorage Alaska, the station was KTTU. She quit after becoming pregnant with her eldest son Trak.

Posted by: Valerie | September 14, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain should've picked Tina Fay.

Posted by: Ariel | September 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

How come Sarah Palin's supposed degree in journalism wasn't accompanied by her working at a school radio/TV station or on her school newspaper?

Posted by: Jus' wonderin' | September 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

First, Ron Jones, I couldn't agree with you more, and your writing is spot on! Thanks for that.

Second, since the "experience" discussion is so absurdly subjective (positive/productive experience v. negative/destructive experience gets us nowhere) lets move forward with something more objective and measurable: Intelligence.

Let's start with, let's say, education. Sarah Palin has a bachelor's degree in journalism (a field that she herself mocks and ridicules).
Obama's undergraduate degree is in Political Science specializing in International Relations. He studied Law at Harvard. He was elected president of the Harvard Law Review. He earned his Juris Doctorate degree magna cum laude. He taught Constitutional Law.

Hmm, do you think that understanding the Constitution of our country (well enough to teach Constitutional Law) just might be an important qualification for someone being elected to uphold our Constitution?

Or, on the other hand, an undergraduate degree in journalism might be helpful in knowing how to read a teleprompter. It might also come in handy in knowing how to avoid journalists for a week while you cram on American politics with your "Cliff Notes" and GOP tutors before your first interview/quiz.

It doesn't take a SNL skit to see Palin's lack of intelligence... but it sure makes it a lot funnier.

Posted by: win | September 14, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Mayor: Fired the librarian for refusing to tell her how she could get books banned. Was forced to rehire the librarian due to public outcry."

FactCheck.org in their article appropriately titled, "Sliming Palin: False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate" they state:

"She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.


Ah, but I never said she demanded that books be banned, just that she inquired as to HOW.

Posted by: You're answering the example you want to answer, not the one I gave | September 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"None of them has been discredited.

Posted by: Anonymous"

OK. Let me start with the first one:

You ignorantly stated:

"Mayor: Fired the librarian for refusing to tell her how she could get books banned. Was forced to rehire the librarian due to public outcry."

FactCheck.org in their article appropriately titled, "Sliming Palin: False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate" they state:

"She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.


...As we’ve noted, Palin did not attempt to ban any library books. We don’t know if Emmons’ resistance to Palin’s questions about possible censorship had anything to do with Emmons’ firing. And we have no idea if the protests had any impact on Palin at all."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorant bleating. LOL.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

We are tired of being treated like we don't matter by the Republicans.

http://current.com/items/89284441_sarah_palin_billed_sexual_assault_victims_for_their_own_rape

Posted by: Lady Liberty | September 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Keep on bleating those talking points, regardless of how many of them have been discredited.

None of them has been discredited.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Go after what she has actually DONE as mayor and governor

OK.

Mayor: Fired the librarian for refusing to tell her how she could get books banned. Was forced to rehire the librarian due to public outcry.

Mayor: Despite huge budget surplus, cut the museum budget by $32K and told its three employees to decide which one to dismiss. All three quit in protest.

Mayor: Had the new ice rink built on land of dubious ownership.

Governor: Fired Monehan for refusing to fire her sister's ex-husband from the state police. Now state employees are terrified to testify about her actions.

Governor: Kept the Bridge to Nowhere funds for the state after the bridge project was canceled, instead of giving them back to the Federal government as she should have.

Governor: Billed the state for 312 per diem (out of ca. 570) although she spent those nights at home.

Posted by: Here are a few examples | September 14, 2008 3:47 PM"

Keep on bleating those talking points, regardless of how many of them have been discredited.

Care to tell me one of Obama's accomplishments as an elected offfical?

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"It would all be really funny if I didn't fear for my country as I do when I imagine Palin one heartbeat away from the presidency.

Posted by: DaveT | September 14, 2008 3:52 PM"

Please explain why you are comfortable with Obama BEING the President if Palin can't be a heartbeat away.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

""Don't you recognize raw political talent??"

Yes I do, and Palin ain't got it.

Posted by: castanea"


I love how liberals can ignore reality. Anyone show castanea a poll lately? LOL

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The American people have never had "one of us" in the White House. Instead, we always get rich kids and Harvard snobs.

Posted by: Dude1 | September 14, 2008 4:03 PM

Have you forgotten Harry Truman already? Also, LBJ came from poverty, Carter from peanut farming, Reagan's father wasn't much, Bill Clinton's father was even less (and died before Bill's birth).

Posted by: hey, dude | September 14, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Don't you recognize raw political talent??"

Yes I do, and Palin ain't got it.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I like McCain and Palin and I thought the SNL skit was HILARIOUS. It includes some funny aspects of what is going on and what has been going on with both Hilary and Sarah. Yes, Hilary got screwed by her party and then by Obama (no VP pick), and yes, Sarah is a little green now, but she'll improve quickly with practice and rise to the occasion. The American people have never had "one of us" in the White House. Instead, we always get rich kids and Harvard snobs.

Posted by: Dude1 | September 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

New underwear please

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

HATRED FOR CLINTON AND WOMEN IS THE ONLY REASON THAT A FLASH IN THE PAN WITH ZERO EXPERIENCE COULD BE SELECTED BY THE DEMOCRATS AND WHEN HE LOSES AS SHE PREDICTED HE MIGHT, DON'T BLAME HER.

Posted by: TAHIRN | September 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow! SNL has hit the nail on the head. I wonder do they have our Women's Group bugged. We are glad that Hillary is a Dem. She is so smart.

Posted by: Misglo | September 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh my goodness...the level of misinformation abounds.

"deport the libs" had the misfortune of misstating:

"News Flash...i know this just galls you liberals to death. To the point where you do your best to write it out of the history books

the good ol' US a and the constitution were founded on what ?....JUDEO CHRISTIAN Principles"

This absurd claim rests solely upon the misinformation that English Common Law, (the basis of the Magna Carta which, together with John Locke's natural law formed the foundation for Jefferson's Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution) was founded upon Christianity.

However, Thomas Jefferson laid this myth to rest a long time ago.

To quote Jefferson, in his 1814 letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper:

"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law, or lex non scripta, and commences that of the statute law, or Lex Scripta. This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here, then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it. If it ever was adopted, therefore, into the common law, it must have been between the introduction of Christianity and the date of the Magna Charta. But of the laws of this period we have a tolerable collection by Lambard and Wilkins, probably not perfect, but neither very defective; and if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

Posted by: tvi | September 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

HATRED FOR CLINTON AND WOMEN IS THE ONLY REASON THAT A FLASH IN THE PAN WITH ZERO EXPERIENCE COULD BE SELECTED BY THE DEMOCRATS AND WHEN HE LOSES AS SHE PREDICTED HE MIGHT, DON'T BLAME HER.

Posted by: TAHIRN | September 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin rocks. ANyone not thinking of voting for her has to be a moron. She would be the coolest vp ever.

Posted by: carol | September 14, 2008 3:48 PM

Just change your on-screen name to luvsarah

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

What am I suppose to tell them?

That you're voting Democratic.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Palin rocks. ANyone not thinking of voting for her has to be a moron. She would be the coolest vp ever.

Posted by: carol | September 14, 2008 3:48 PM

REPLY: DUMBASS!!!!!! Typical American dumbass.

Posted by: moron | September 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It would all be really funny if I didn't fear for my country as I do when I imagine Palin one heartbeat away from the presidency.

Posted by: DaveT | September 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Yep, raw. Sure babe, take it however you want to. But unless you actually respect the power of your opponent, you and me are finished.

You expect to win this by belittling Sarah Palin?? Dream on.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

It's a definite start.

Either Obama finds his passion or it's up to the velvet knife (Clinton, Bill) to win this one for us.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I am a Religious Right single parent.
My children are old enough to understand politics. They understand that John Mc Cain and Sarah Palin are lying at times. My children ask me when it is ok to lie.
What am I suppose to tell them?
My own pastor won't answer this question for me.

Posted by: John Mc Donald | September 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Picking Palin was the most cynical, transparent, purely political move in politics since Bush said Saddam was developing nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Greg | September 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Don't you recognize raw political talent??

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:46 PM

RAW? Terry, your Freudian slip is showing.

Posted by: Hahahahahahahaha! | September 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

If experience was a real criterion, Obama would never have been nominated.

Obama's church membership and Michelle O.'s comment demonstrate they are "blackists," like Jesse and Al, only much, much smoother.

I wouldn't vote for Jesse or Al either.

Posted by: Rui | September 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin rocks. ANyone not thinking of voting for her has to be a moron. She would be the coolest vp ever.

Posted by: carol | September 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Go after what she has actually DONE as mayor and governor

OK.

Mayor: Fired the librarian for refusing to tell her how she could get books banned. Was forced to rehire the librarian due to public outcry.

Mayor: Despite huge budget surplus, cut the museum budget by $32K and told its three employees to decide which one to dismiss. All three quit in protest.

Mayor: Had the new ice rink built on land of dubious ownership.

Governor: Fired Monehan for refusing to fire her sister's ex-husband from the state police. Now state employees are terrified to testify about her actions.

Governor: Kept the Bridge to Nowhere funds for the state after the bridge project was canceled, instead of giving them back to the Federal government as she should have.

Governor: Billed the state for 312 per diem (out of ca. 570) although she spent those nights at home.

Posted by: Here are a few examples | September 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Who needs Tina Fey when Palin is a joke all by herself?

Posted by: PLD | September 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Castanea, if that's really how you see it, then I would say you are not so politically astute. If Republicans were really as stubborn as you say they are, if they are clinging to her out of obstinacy rather than genuine enthusiasm and indeed love (yes, it also has that celebrity thing), then I would have to conclude you don't know very much.

I'm sorry, yes, I am an Obama supporter, but you seem to be in denial. And it's a kind of denial that will be partly to blame, I'm sorry to say, if we lose.

WAKE UP! She is the real thing. Respect your opponent! (Geez!)

Don't you recognize raw political talent??

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain picking Palin was in itself the most sexist thing I've ever witnessed in my life.

Nothing funny about that.

Posted by: PamelaDC | September 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Saturday Night Live? Isn't that some show from the 70's?

Posted by: joe | September 14, 2008 3:35 PM

Even John McCain remembers SNL, like 103 years ago!!!!!!!

Posted by: FridayNightLive | September 14, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Rightwingers are in a froth because, due to McCain's failure to adequately vet Palin, they let themselves construct an image of her based solely on their need to believe in a cult of personality.

The rightwing let itself think that, because she shoots moose and wolves, and because she is a hockey mom, and because she is physically attractive, Palin is a demigoddess and is beyond reproach. Rightwingers portray her as being bold, competent, and beautiful, which are qualities they covet.

Then the truth emerged in bits and pieces. Palin thinks she has foreign policy or national security experience because Alaska is near Russia, even though she has never been there or met with its leaders. Making comments like that alone should scare any rational American.

The McCain campaign claimed Palin was in a battle zone in Iraq, when it turns out she wasn't, and her claim to have visited Ireland was a lie because her plane only landed there, apparently, to refuel.

Palin changed colleges at least five times in six years. Ask an employer or job recruiter if that sort of transience makes for a good employee.

She should release her academic transcripts, or at least provide the American electorate with a decent explanation as to why she was so restless in college. She may have had a defensible reason, but if she wants us to vote for her, we deserve to know.

Now we read that she practiced cronyism as governor of Alaska. So much for the reformer image, so much for the promise to change things in DC.

Instead of being sensible about it and calling for McCain to ask for Palin to resign as nominee, to be replaced by a competent Republican (either male or female), rightwingers instead grow more stubborn and insulting, damaging the American political system in the process.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Saturday Night Live? Isn't that some show from the 70's?

Posted by: joe | September 14, 2008 3:35 PM

And the '80s, the '90s and now the '00s. It keeps revitalizing itself with new talent.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

SNL was spot on and funny as he11

Posted by: rcc_2000 | September 14, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Go after what she has actually DONE as mayor and governor, rather than what she believes.

Going after what she believes and hypotheticals is giving an Oscar winning actress another shot. (Or something)

It's just asking for it.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blog stats | September 14, 2008 3:32 PM
Andy Bradshaw is someone who doesn't have much of a life, since he's been here for over four hours and has posted 32 times already (for an average of eight times per hour).

REPLY: Hey thanks. So that means he made about $30 from McCain campaign?? Man, such a lowlife could make more bucks by keeping his night job as homsexual prostitute. Now he gets paid by post, sad, very sad. What can I say, Bush economy!!

Posted by: BOBSTER | September 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Saturday Night Live? Isn't that some show from the 70's?

Posted by: joe | September 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

How come Andy Bradshaw doesn't get that blocking message from the Post telling him that he's exceeded his posting limit?

Posted by: To Blog Stats | September 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"So, I don't think you and I are really disagreeing about the ambiguity. But with less than 60 days until election, I'd like to see a lot more specific questions asked about her, her faith, and her governing philosophy."

And here is where we really disagree.

As a Democratic strategist, I would advise anyone who it would be relevant to advise, to stay the hell away from this question. It's cha ching on the cash register of electoral votes! As you just said, she sweeps in both camps (believers primarily and people who are not believes primarily when it comes to voting). So why mess with it?

It sounds like you are angry about it, and so am I. But it has been brought up, it has. Maybe it hasn't been pressed to the nth degree as you would prefer. But the issue has not to do with the media in this case (IMO) but rather the VOTER.

People are where they are, you know?

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Andy Bradshaw is someone who doesn't have much of a life, since he's been here for over four hours and has posted 32 times already (for an average of eight times per hour).

Posted by: Blog stats | September 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

We had our founding fathers, if we elect McCain, we will also have our destroying fathers. GWB is the first one. It's up to all of us to prevent that.

Posted by: BOBSTER | September 14, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Terry, I agree that she talks out of both sides of her mouth. I disagree that she has really been asked about how her religious views will affect her governing philosophy as VP. The interview with Gibson was edited down to, what, a total of 30 minutes of air time? Other than that, I'm not sure who's asked her much about it.

It seems that the Republicans want it both ways. They tout that she's an evangelical to firm up their base, but they are short on details about what that means. I do think evangelical voters want her to work on issues supported by her faith. However, Republicans know that this will likely alienate more moderate voters, so it is to their advantage to keep all of this unclear. So far, they've done a great job at keeping her in a position where she can mean all things to all people. Very religious folks think she supports their views, and more moderate folks claim that "she's really ok with gays." These are the same people who thought that McCain wasn't really against choice.

So, I don't think you and I are really disagreeing about the ambiguity. But with less than 60 days until election, I'd like to see a lot more specific questions asked about her, her faith, and her governing philosophy.

Posted by: no name | September 14, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey, deport, ever heard of the Greeks? Ever wondered why our "founding fathers" were obsessed with the Greeks (and the Romans)? And don't you find it curious that so many of them never mentioned Jesus or went to church? You have NO IDEA what you are talking about
_________________________________________

I have a great many ideas in regards to what I am talking about. but your blindness has again made you look like an a$$

without a doubt, the greeks among others had an influence on modern civilisation. The point, my dear brainwashed little libby, is that with without Judeo Christian God (so politically incorrect)is that the United States and our constitution would not be in existance.

And if you were intellecutally honest, which i do understand is one of the main tenents that has to go under the bus for liberals, you would acknowlege that. but you won't, nor will anything I say or all the facts in the world change your mind, because you operate from emotion. which is why the press and libby is still campaigning against GW and why i do love to torture them so.

you hate and fear in equal measure. liberal ideology is like like intellectual AIDS.

can you dig it homespun ?

Posted by: deport_the_libs | September 14, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"It seems to me that we are supposed to accept the aura that Palin is an evangelical--in order to rally those voters--but she hasn't had to talk about how her evangelical views affect her governing philosophy."

But she has been asked. She has. And she is great at wriggling out of it, talking out of both sides of her mouth, to bring in both the people who id as evangelical, and those who don't but are more centrist and moderate. She gives herself a lot of flexibility. This is what makes her so potent, in my opinion. The majority of people in this country STILL go to church on Sundays and prefer to think of themselves as religious, so it's great when they see someone who also ids as religious.

"Does she consider them strictly private, or does she feel like they should influence legislative measures?"

And my answer is, you will never get a definitive answer. She is a politician, and really good at manipulating this question. Really good at it.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

WHO IS THIS DUFFUS, ANDY BRADSHAW?
WHAT A BRATT!!! HOW MUCH WE CAN ASK HIM BEFORE GE GIVES UP ON DEFFENDING CROOKS.

Posted by: BOBSTER | September 14, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

PA, don't get me wrong. Creationist supporters who think that "theory" should be part of the curriculum deserve derision. But Palin seems woefully unclear on this point. She said in a survey that she thought creationism should be taught in public schools, but then she hasn't done anything as governor (so far as we know, which admittedly still isn't much) to get creationism taught.

This is the problem. We really don't know where she stands on many issues. Except drilling in ANWR. She's definitely for that. She's contradicted herself or been incredibly unclear on virtually everything else.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The Declaration and Constitution were written by reformers inspired by the Age of Enlightenment, thinkers of radical political thoughts!

Consider patriots like Thomas Paine and Sam Adams. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian, but a Unitarian.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The SNL skit was good and very funny. The real issue for me is the Republican Party has changed over the last 20-30 years and is no longer the party it used to be. The 2000 McCain would have agreed with the following quotes and if he had won could have led his party back towards the real ideals of the historical GOP. I am not so sure about the 2008 McCain, especially with his pick of Gov. Palin. Ron Paul seemed to be the only true conservative running and he was treated as a joke by a lot of republicans. It is too bad John McCain didn't win in 2000. He would have been good to have at the helm during those trying times. But his time has passed and after eight long years with President Bush at the helm, he and Gov. Palin are not the one we need to lead us now.

From a senate speech that Barry Goldwater made on September 16th, 1981.

On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of
God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral
issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

Excerpt from an essay by Barry Goldwater, July 28th 1994 Washington Post.

When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.


From Wall Street Journal article December 14, 2007, by Peggy Noonan, speech writer for Ronald Reagan,

Christian conservatives have been rising, most recently, for 30 years in national politics, since they helped elect Jimmy Carter. They care about the religious faith of their leaders, and their interest is legitimate. Faith is a shaping force. Lincoln got grilled on it. But there is a sense in Iowa now that faith has been heightened as a determining factor in how to vote, that such things as executive ability, professional history, temperament, character, political philosophy and professed stands are secondary, tertiary.
But they are not, and cannot be. They are central. Things seem to be getting out of kilter, with the emphasis shifting too far.
I wonder if our old friend Ronald Reagan could rise in this party, this environment. Not a regular churchgoer,said he experienced God riding his horse at the ranch, divorced, relaxed about the faiths of his friends and aides, or about its absence. He was a believing Christian, but he spent his adulthood in relativist Hollywood, and had a father who belonged to what some saw, and even see, as the Catholic cult. I’m just not sure he’d be pure enough to make it in this party. I’m not sure he’d be considered good enough.

Posted by: Jackwolf | September 14, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"[T]he overwhelming majority of posts with spelling errors, punctuation errors, and syntactical errors...are from McCain/Palin supporters."

Proper grammar and spelling are merely elite concepts propagated by the liberal media and left-wing high school English teachers, aren't they?

But you are exactly right. And the vast majority of their posts are nothing more than hurled insults, the sort of Friday-night, high-school-football-game, my-team-is-better-than-your-team jabber that the rest of us outgrow when we become adults.

Smearing is the only strategy that the rightwing can use because it attracts media attention, and because Republicans can't run on the issues, nor on the record of the Republican administration that has been in power nearly eight years.

How can they defend record deficits, an economy that hasn't reached bottom yet, and diminished respect for America throughout the world?

They can't, of course, so rightwingers will continue to smear and insult the intelligence of rational Americans from now until election day.

I do hope the media get bored with amplifying rightwing hatred and instead begin to focus on the issues that matter to all Americans.

Posted by: castanea | September 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why I should forget the marriage amendment. Many evangelicals are still hoping for it, and they have embraced Palin. Would she support it? I care a lot more about that than whether she knows one or two gay people. Statistically, everyone knows one or two gay people.

It seems to me that we are supposed to accept the aura that Palin is an evangelical--in order to rally those voters--but she hasn't had to talk about how her evangelical views affect her governing philosophy. Does she consider them strictly private, or does she feel like they should influence legislative measures?

Posted by: any name | September 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

it does matter what her husband does

Answer the question: Does what a spouse does only count when it's a woman candidate's spouse?

Posted by: to Andy | September 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Mr Bradshaw: I have no point to argue, Sir; I am merely remarking upon the obvious.
You will forgive me, I hope, for pointing out that for the last 7+ years, the 'refuge of the incompetent' has been the White House.

Posted by: Inri Porter | September 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious to me, being just another average guy who, up until lately wasn't even going to vote at all, the Elite have shown me the way, not to vote for their obvious candidate of choice but for someone who is not one of them. Ask yourself who really has messed up our country, the self serving that have power and shouldn't.
Obvious are those, who see themselves as the "Elite intelligentsia" because they know deep down, that they know better than the American public who should represent our country, one of them, of course ... just how smart are these self described geniuses anyway?
We the People are tired of counting your nose hairs!

Posted by: Van | September 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The dinosaur dig seems unfair.

No, it doesn't. See the legal smack-down the Creationists received in court when they tried to get their latest ruse, "Intelligent Design," insinuated into the Dover, PA., schools' science curriculum in the name of supposed fairness.

Posted by: PA. | September 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Anon (please! Post a name, any name!), indeed she DOES reference homosexuality. I cannot remember whether or not Gibson asked her about it, but she talked about it. Again, she is willing to talk about it, and to be a somewhat real person about it (a conservative one, but not an unreasonable one).

Go back to youtube, watch the interview that was done, at her house, I think. (I think).

She talks about not judging people who think homosexuality is genetic or choice.

I mean, maybe it's not cutting edge, but she brings it up, references friends and family members - rather, hints that among them, one or two might be gay.

Forget the marriage amendment!! My goodness.

(And NO!!!!! I am not a Republican! ---> even O. is not for that.)

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey, deport, ever heard of the Greeks? Ever wondered why our "founding fathers" were obsessed with the Greeks (and the Romans)? And don't you find it curious that so many of them never mentioned Jesus or went to church? You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"it’s plain for all to see that she can easily embrace gays, and the idea of diversity in general."

Huh? Where did you see that? She didn't get asked about homosexuality once. Do you honestly think she wouldn't support the marriage amendment? It seems from her past actions that she would. And she also ran as MAYOR on an anti-abortion platform. Though that really makes no sense since abortion is not controlled on the local level, she does seem to feel like at least some of her religious beliefs should affect governance.

That doesn't mean that she wants public school kids to learn that dinosaurs went on Noah's Ark. And that's what I was trying to point out. The dinosaur dig seems unfair. But we have no way to know how her views about homosexuality or abortion will affect her as VP. It's a question I sincerely would like to have asked and believe we have a right to know.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

it does matter what her husband does

By your logic both Presidents Bush were men of the people because their spouses were "just housewives." Or does it only count when it's a woman candidate's spouse?

Posted by: to Andy | September 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Do you consider housewifery a class-specific occupation?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If one is bored enough to read all of these posts, one comes to the (almost startling) realization that the overwhelming majority of posts with spelling errors, punctuation errors, and syntactical errors...are from McCain/Palin supporters.
By their stupidity they shall be known.

Posted by: Inri Porter | September 14, 2008 2:56 PM

And dammed proud of it. Nun of this eleetist corect speling for us real peeples.

Posted by: to Inri | September 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Mr / Mrs Morrow,

(Deep deep sigh)

Again, comedy plays off STEREOTYPES

"My point is that Fey's belief that Palin is ignorant"

And Poehlert plays Hillary as a man-eating shrew.

OKay? got it? Ha, ha. Laughter?

And so what if Fey votes DemocratIC? Where are Fox's political satires?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Sweet "rmorrow",

The word I was thanking him for was "Woolf", as in Virginia, the author, from the Bloomsbury Group. I didn't post anything about dinosaurs.

You know, there are typos in Senator Obama's book. Would you dismiss him as well?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

it does matter what her husband does

By your logic both Presidents Bush were men of the people because their spouses were "just housewives." Or does it only count when it's a woman candidate's spouse?

Posted by: to Andy | September 14, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

My dear Inri,

Don't play at credentials. Argue your point. Don't dismiss people with silly put-downs.

Put-downs are the last refuge of the incompetent.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"Thank you "spelling police". I should know better. I stand corrected.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw"

Well, maybe next time you are making stupid and bigoted ad hominem attacks on the intelligence of others, you shouldn't be demonstrating your own inability to spell grade school words. It wasn't a typo, you just don't know how to spell "dinosaur".

But hey, Palin is dumb and you are smart, right? She certainly doesn't have the brain power to accomplish as much in her life as you have.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

the constitution was NOT founded on juedeo christian beliefs. that is wrong, idiot.

Posted by: J | September 14, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to add that I'm an Obama supporter, but don't believe in disparaging someone's religious beliefs unless there is evidence that it will affect how s/he will govern. To be fair, Palin has not been asked much about how she feels her faith would or would not affect her role as VP."

Anon, I agree with what you say, especially that part directly above.

I also support Obama, and I am sad to say that I think what we have in Palin is the next Reagan, and we will all google back to the comments we made when she made her national debut. I think she will be president one day soon.

What is so potent is that she can quickly and fairly adeptly morph her beliefs into whatever suits her at the time. She comes from a basic position of generic conservatism, but if anyone (Democrat) was paying attention to her interviews with Charles Gibson, it’s plain for all to see that she can easily embrace gays, and the idea of diversity in general. I didn’t really know for sure whether or not she would be able to shift into a broader world view or not, but she can.

Now, this is her running-for-office style. And the running for office part is just about the only time when we are all paying attention. From what I’ve heard of her actual governing style (the part when far fewer of us are paying attention, in this case, somewhat understandably), that’s a whole nother can of worms, one that kind of stinks.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama is supposed to attract the "smart" people. Considering their total ignorance about Alaska, and their total unwillingness to become better informed, you have to wonder who all these "smart" people are.

They acutally act like cult memembers intoxicated on Obama's snake oil oratory.

Of course, there is the gullible Obama youth corps -- most of whom are supposed to be the best and brightest. If that is true the country is in for an uncertain future. Most are ignorant and determined to stay that way.

Posted by: William | September 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain=Woodrow Wilson
Palin=Edith Galt Wilson

Guess who ran that show?

Posted by: Putin's No Puppy | September 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Thank you "spelling police". I should know better. I stand corrected.

Now "to Andy", it does matter what her husband does, because it connects her in a real way to something other than the legal community (and the professional class).

Every night she leans over and kisses a member of the working class goodnight. Her children are his children. You don't get that kind of commonality from a good scriptwriter.

This skit was artless because it went for the safe, establishment take instead of challenging the ruling orthodoxy. That wasn't what SNL did at the beginning. But it is probably way past its shelf life already.

Hey, you could probably say the same about me!

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"Um, it's COMEDY. ?

Posted by: Terry"

Please. As the seals clapping and cheering in the audience demonstrated, it was a political attack.

My point is that Fey's belief that Palin is ignorant is based on her Fey's own ignorance and that she is just another partisan hack who is too lazy to educate herself and instead just takes talking points from other partisan hacks. Kind of funny when she and her cohorts are attacking Palin for being not as informed as they.

But hey, Palin bashers don't care about facts or being consistant, they just want to stick to their rigid partisan bleating.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If one is bored enough to read all of these posts, one comes to the (almost startling) realization that the overwhelming majority of posts with spelling errors, punctuation errors, and syntactical errors...are from McCain/Palin supporters.
By their stupidity they shall be known.

Posted by: Inri Porter | September 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

You CAN see Russian land from Alaskan land in the Bering Strait (which you'd know if ABC hadn't edited the interview so heavily).

Posted by: ticketop | September 14, 2008 10:48 AM
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And I can see the moon when I look out my window at night. What's your point?

Posted by: S. | September 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

privledge

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:47 PM

Posted by: Spelling Police | September 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

depot

you just have to keep hoping, dont you?

Different species of democracy have existed for more than 2,000 years, but democracy as we know it has never existed among the unchurched. A people unschooled about the sovereignty of God, the Ten Commandments and the ethics of Jesus, could never have evolved the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. There is not one solitary fundamental principle of our democratic policy that did not stem directly from the basic moral concepts as embodied in the Decalogue and the ethics of Jesus . . . No one knew this better than the Founding Fathers

but keep up the beautiful lack of common sense objections. this election, it will cost you the presidency and probably the congress...but you and your professors sure think it's cool. remember that ? question everything. so intelligent, so productive, so inclusive

Posted by: deport_the_libs | September 14, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

For goodness sake, at least learn to spell privilege.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"think about it, if it wasn't for this, you would be living in feudalist or aristocracy world

here is your answer princess

JUDEO CHRISTIAN Principles"

You don't even know your own nation's history.

First, England was an almost exclusively Christian place in the 18th century. But remained an aristocracy. Nazi Germany was Christian too.

So there's no connection between democracy and "judeo christian" values.

Go ask Benjamin Franklin, who was neither Jew nor Christian. And the author of the Declaration, Jefferson, was neither Jew nor Christian.

The beauty of democracy is that it's capacious. It has room for people with many different faiths or no faiths at all.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The dinosaur comment was almost as telling as Amy Poehler's ending statement. Grow a pair. McCain/Palin are liars.

Posted by: bill from PA | September 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

To "anonymous" (wherever we might find him):

Using your definition, it appears that a privledge could be something obtained merely by birth. So, under your definition, would programs like "affirmative action" bestow a kind of privledge?

To: "to Andy"

No, George Bush and his father have nothing at all to do with the working class.

President Bush is a rich guy acting blue-collar, just like Tina Fey.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"For example, Tina Fey smugly mocked Palin on the Bush Doctrine question. Never mind that the Post itself noted that there are many interpretations of the Bush Doctrine and asking for clarification from Gibson made sense."

Um, it's COMEDY. ?

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

It was a terrible show, and thank goodness.

They like everyone else are in the expectations game. They lowered expectations, so that one time in the future once everyone on their staff has come back and has been in the groove for a while, they will hit it out of the park.

It’s impossible for a show that is always on to maintain that high quality. You gotta allow for ups and downs.

The Tina Fey, Amy Poehlert opening was good enough, not as great as we were all wanting, but really, to have had maximum impact, they would have had to aired live last week.

Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Where is God mentioned in the US Constitution?

Posted by: to deport | September 14, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I love how the guy who says he's "refreshed" to see a member of the "proletariat" in the race cites Waugh and Woolfe.

Talk about elitist literature. Yikes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Virginia Wolfe.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:36 PM

Woolf.

Posted by: Spelling Police | September 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

hey julius

News Flash...i know this just galls you liberals to death. To the point where you do your best to write it out of the history books

the good ol' US a and the constitution were founded on what ?....come on you can say it. i know it sticks in your thoat

think about it, if it wasn't for this, you would be living in feudalist or aristocracy world

here is your answer princess

JUDEO CHRISTIAN Principles

so quite trying to scare people that somehow it's a bad thing.

Posted by: deport_the_libs | September 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The whole dinosaur thing is a product of what pentecostals believe about dinosaurs. As far as I know, there's not a central pentecostal teaching about dinosaurs, but some do believe, for example, that dinosaurs rode in Noah's Ark. That's because they believe in a much younger earth than most people who believe in contemporary science.

Palin no longer considers herself pentecostal, though she does seem to have grown up in the faith. She now attends an Assemblies of God church, which is an evangelical church that appears to have fundamentalist leanings. It's not clear what she believes about young earth ideas today. She has indicated that she thinks creationism should be taught in public schools, but she does not appear to have forced that belief onto the curriculum as governor. There are some indications that as mayor she did express interest in governing in alignment with her religious beliefs. It is unclear how she feels about any of these issues on a national level.

I'd like to add that I'm an Obama supporter, but don't believe in disparaging someone's religious beliefs unless there is evidence that it will affect how s/he will govern. To be fair, Palin has not been asked much about how she feels her faith would or would not affect her role as VP.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Christian fundamentalists refer to dinosaurs as Satan's lizards.

Posted by: dinosaur question | September 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I love the way the skit pointed out that certain people are suddenly so concerned with sexism now. But really the Republicans show their sexism through their paternalism, insisting that the media treat Palin with "deference." Ridiculous. She should stand up to hard questioning like anyone else. That's what we fought for, equality, not to be treated like a little lady in need of protection.

Posted by: Yvonne | September 14, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"A sure sign that Obama DOES NOT belong on the nation stage is the inability of Saturday Night Live to impersonate him with any confidence - there is something out of place - Obama does not belong there."

What??? Even if the part about the inability to impersonate him were true (it's not, Fred Armisten's mimicry is deadly), that has got to be the silliest, most inane, most specious ... I'm sorry, but I've got to say it -- the stoopidest argument against Obama I've heard yet.

What color is the sky on your planet?

Posted by: obamajamas | September 14, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter what TODD Palin does for a living. Sarah's the Governor, she pulls in 6 figures a year (plus per diems she doesn't deserve), so SHE makes their family upper-middle class all by herself.

Posted by: to Andy | September 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Darling Betsey,

Finally a name! I can just conjure your face, sitting there before your computer. Have you eaten this morning? One hopes.

Who said I was? I do like the proletarian in the race. It is so rare that we get genuine members of the working class at such a level. Oh, we get plenty of narratives about "working class roots", but we see little of the real thing.

Many of the posters here remind me of the attitude held by Virginia Wolfe. In theory, she was all for them. In fact, she thought they smelled horrible.

It seems that attitudes are slow to change, doesn't it?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Palin need to run for president of her ultrachristian church and not to lead a country

Posted by: Julius | September 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I agree, it was pure genius! McPalin has been comedy from the start.

Posted by: Kaci | September 14, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Did you like George Bush's blue-collar roots too?

Posted by: to Andy | September 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"What does Sarah Palin think about dinasaurs. I am almost afraid to google it and find out. This lady is creepy.

Posted by: Anonymous"

Well, to Google it, you'd probably have to learn how to spell it first, smart guy.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I love how this joker thinks that putting your name on an internet post makes you somehow more accountable or something. Give it a rest. Your real name could be anything. Get off your elitist high horse.

Posted by: my name is mud | September 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

What does Sarah Palin think about dinasaurs. I am almost afraid to google it and find out. This lady is creepy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"The result? Complete genius."

Of course Cilizza would say that. It was a partisan hack job on Palin and Cilizza is a partisan hack.

Apparently, Cilizza is one of the many liberal pundits who doesn't bother to read the news section of their own paper. For example, Tina Fey smugly mocked Palin on the Bush Doctrine question. Never mind that the Post itself noted that there are many interpretations of the Bush Doctrine and asking for clarification from Gibson made sense.

But hey Cilizza isn't here to analyze poltics, just as Tine Fey apparently isn't on SNL to be funny. They are both just partisan hacks that are more interested in getting their candidate elected than in doing their job well.

If Cilizza was a respectable, non-partisan pundit, he wouldn't have a permanent chair on every MSNBC show.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Bradshaw, I am beginning to think you don't know what privilege means. Here's a definition: a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most.

In the country I live in, everyone has the right to work hard in the hopes of getting a scholarship to go to good schools.

Not everyone has the "right" to be born to admirals and marry heiresses that you meet at fancy cocktail parties.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Eerie. Tina Fey is deep down too nice to get the sneer just right but wow, nice job and funny! Have to put snl on "record". It is duly ff'd (faved and forwarded). Who is doing John Bush on snl? When is Sadie going on John Stewart?

Posted by: PreAmerikkkan | September 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

He and his wife are both members of America's professional class (upper-middle-class).

Well, shame on them for daring to live the American dream. They should've aimed lower, like Todd Palin, whose wife wears the pants in their family even when she's wearing a skirt.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Dear "more cool..."

Yet another man of courage.

Todd Palin is a member of the steelworkers' union.

There is certainly less distance in calling him a steelworker than in calling Joe Biden a blue-collar boy from Scranton. Members of the steelworkers union actually do call themselves "steel workers". Go find some and ask them.

But if you wish, we can call him an oil worker -- or a fisherman (and not fly). These are blue collar jobs.

A lawyer, is not.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Palin’s record on reform is clear, of course. But, Obama’s record on over spending is also clear. His finger pointing is hollow rhetoric."

Typical Republican rhetoric: make an unsupported claim about Sarah Palin, but only disparage Obama.

Let's review Palin's reform record:

*She hired a lobbyist to get millions of dollars in federal money while mayor of a very small town.

*She still left the town with millions of dollars of long term debt.

*She has headed Ted Stevens's 527 organization.

*Alaska gets more pork barrel spending per capita than any other state. Under Palin this has been reduced slightly, but Alaska still takes the top prize.

She looks like another spend and deficit Republican to me.

Her work on the Oil Commission seems the one true place where she affected reform. But that had nothing to do with earmarks.

Republicans seem to think that everyone agrees with you that ALL earmarks are evil. But that's McCain's campaign position, and not everyone shares it. I support Palin's initial position: communities should be able to get money from the federal government for projects. Obama and Biden have never campaigned on the premise that all earmarks are bad; McCain has. If he thinks they are so bad, why bring someone on who has made it a career to game that system? McCain himself denounced three of the earmarks that Palin got her lobbyist to push through. But, somehow, it's a "smokescreen" to call them on this contradiction? I would say it's a smokescreen to point out something that your opponent does, when he's never denied or denounced the practice!

You can't run against something as evil, after using that same process to stuff your coffers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

We are a nation of C students and we deserve the President we elected two times already:

George W. Bush.


Thanks, losers!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

hey ted, speaking of fallicious arguments

check out this a$$hat, he manages to get several in his post. pretty cool, right ?

Posted by: Republicans for Obama

Argument from fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

Base rate fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

and every liberals favorite....strait from their teenage girl days

Ad hominem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 14, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Andy-
How can a gay man support McCain-Palin?

Posted by: Betsy | September 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

To Daisymom and the others who equate the experience of Obama and Palin. Instead of looking at experience (Abraham Lincoln didn't have much when he was elected and Cheney and Rumsfeld had tons when they were appointed and look how they turned out), let's consider what they know. Barack Obama has been participating in debates for almost 2 years. He has always been able to discuss any issue raised intelligently and thoughtfully, whether you agreed with his views or not. When Sarah Palin was interviewed by Charlie Gibson she was clearly clueless about many of the issues that were covered. The difference between them is that she DOES NOT KNOW anything about foreign or domestic policy. She is not curious about foreign and domestic policy - does this remind you of someone who has been in office for the past 8 years? Please read an editorial in Atlantic.com that addresses this concern. Of course it is McCain who is running for President on the Republican ticket, not Sarah Palin. But his choice of Sarah Palin shows an appalling cynicism and a desire to be President that is so great that he will put being elected over the well being of our country. This is not "Country First". This is the pattern of Republican politics since the Lee Atwater and then Karl Rove days (still going on) at its most cynical. It is time for all of us to say "Enough!!!"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I doubt Palin was terribly offended.

Exactly the point. She's so sanctimonious that she thinks she's right even when she's wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear "blue-blooded":

Another with the courage to post his name.

Senator Obama grew up in a middle-class household. He became upper-middle-class.

He went to a fine prep school, a fine college, and a fine law school. These are privledges most people do not get.

He went to law school like every single Presdiential/Vice Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party since Jimmy Carter.

He and his wife are both members of America's professional class (upper-middle-class).

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Leon, I never claimed Obama grandparents were blue collar. But it is definitely more than distortion to say that Obama came from a "privileged background," which is what Bradshaw is insisting.

There is no doubt that McCain was born into the most privileged position of the four candidates.

Bradshaw is trying to distort facts--claiming that Palin is the husband of a steelworker, then woops, not what I meant, and on and on--just to repeat Republican talking points in attempts to justify why he doesn't like Obama.

Like almost all Republicans on these boards, he'd rather talk about anything and everything than McCain's policy and records. They are all gunning against Obama, rather than supporting McCain.

Posted by: more kool aid | September 14, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain's intelligence (possibly the latest oxymoron to true repbulicans) has certainly come under fire for choosing Palin, however not by liberals, but by the very long list of republican women who have proven themselves worthy of the spot. They're all furious and rightly so.

What a slap in the face to intelligent, capable, republican women everywhere. I was praying he'd have picked Kay Bailey Hutchinson. Maybe not as entertaining but in the end we might have won on the real issues. I'm really afraid that when Palin's celebrity status has faded, McCain's going to be left holding the lipstick and nothing more. (Maybe he can give it to Guilianni - another blight to the republican party). McCain has allowed our party to become a laughing stock and I no longer trust his judgment on anything!

Remember how Regan used to fall asleep all the time while speaking with foreign heads of state? Imagine McCain doing the same thing and Palin taking over.
I think Putin would put his hands on a trigger button to the US faster than you could say, "but I could see your country from my house! You mean that doesn't count for anything?" We should all be worried.

Posted by: Republicans for Obama | September 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

hey, i watched it last nite....recorded, after i got in. i thought it was pretty funny. they satirized HRC just as much as SP. I doubt Palin was terribly offended.

I think caricatures can be pretty hillarious, unless they are strait out hateful. As the ones they do of Bush, but that is why SNL is barely hanging on, and I do mean barely.

i thought most of the rest of the skits were simply stupid, to the point of being unwatcheable, but that is why MAD TV has taken most of their audience. I also thought they really did a big disservice to Mr. Phelps. I mean come on, you have the all time greatest Olympian on your show and you still can't stop yourself from making sure we all know what idiots conseratives are ? in the words of week-end update..Really ? Really ?

Here is some fodder for you blind libs...

Earlier this week, Obama made an early attempt to attack Governor Sarah Palin on the earmark issue. He claimed that Palin is responsible for taking many earmarked funds for her state as she sat in the Governor’s office in Juneau and that her attack on him for earmarks is, therefore, illegitimate.

“I know the governor of Alaska has been, you know, saying she is change and that is great. She is a skillful politician. But when you been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you are the champion anti-earmark person. That is not change, come on. I mean, words mean something. You can’t just make stuff up. You can’t just make stuff up. We have a choice to make and the choice is clear.”
But, this return fire on Palin’s ridiculing of Obama for his many earmarks is not very effective. While Obama is pointing fingers at Palin, news came out this week that Senator Obama had unsuccessfully tried several times to get multi-million dollar earmarks for one of his biggest Chicago contributors. So, his attack on Palin seems more like smokescreen than cruise missile.

Obama twice attempted to direct more than $3 million dollars in taxpayer funds to the Adler Planitarium Museum in Chicago. It just so happens that the Adler’s chairman is one of Barack’s biggest Chicago fundraisers.

The planetarium’s chairman, then and still, is Frank Clark, chief executive of ComEd, a unit of Chicago-based Exelon Energy. He has pledged to raise more than $200,000 for Mr. Obama’s run for the White House.
Even more cozy, this earmark would have benefited a Joe Biden supporter.

Moreover, the Adler Planetarium is represented by the lobbying firm National Group LLP, co-founded by William Oldaker, who helped launch Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s political action committee in 2005. Mr. Oldaker, a partner with the Delaware Democrat’s son in another Washington lobbying and law firm, is no longer involved with Mr. Biden’s PAC, Unite Our States.
On the other hand, it must be pointed out that taking earmarked funds that someone else arranged for is a little different than actually being the one creating the diversion of funds. Obama criticizes Palin for taking funds that Congress offered her, but Obama is responsible for being one doing the offering.

Palin’s record on reform is clear, of course. But, Obama’s record on over spending is also clear. His finger pointing is hollow rhetoric.

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama's mother didn't become a college teacher till fairly late in her life. Not when he was a young child.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Perkywits":

So you say. But is someone with the name "perkywits" to be believed?

I do know something of it. I've done my reading. I am a vast reader. His mother wasn't from a poor family. He background is decidedly middle-class. He was never working class.

That scholarship you speak of. Was it based on family income?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

My, what a lively discussion.
So much here is about belief, not facts.
So I refer you to factcheck.org.
Yes, Obama occasionally stretches the truth.
McCain and Palin CREATE facts and are largely lying. Also note, that not every negative thing about Palin is true.
One thing should give all of us pause: Sen. McCain has had cancer three times and he is 72. He is taking 6 medications. He has vertigo, high BP, high cholesterol, and osteoarthritis, among other ailments. He released over 1000 pages of medical records to the press - but prohibited copies, electronic equipment such as cameras or cell phones from being in the room for the few hours these records were made available. Sadly, the prognosis for people who have had two types of cancer, such as Sen. McCain, is more of the same. That could lead to Presidential incapacity and/or death. That makes Palin President. Now honestly, does that not give every one of us pause? And the reverse (some would say, peverse) of the question, if something happened to a future President Obama, he has an accomplished and experienced number 2 to take his place. That reassures me.

Posted by: Joe | September 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

So now Bradshaw has gone from saying Obama was "very upper middle class" to "middle class." Just keep changing positions rather than accept facts...

I especially like the notion that if grandparents help raise a child, then that is somehow the mark of middle-class upbringing. That'd be a surprise to lots of working folks who also have to rely on extended family for child care help.

At least we can all agree that McCain--son of admirals and husband of a rich heiress--is the most privileged and elitist of the bunch. And he didn't even need to work for it. He was just born into it, and then married into it after meeting his second wife at a hoity-toity cocktail party (while still married, of course).

So, do you really want to claim that elitism should be a deciding factor here?

Posted by: blue blooded | September 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

their family's income comes from a working class activity.

Not, it comes from Sarah being Governor. Nothing working class about that, unless you count that as a hobby she pursues for mad-money, while her husband's the main breadwinner just because he's the man. NOT!!!

Posted by: to Andy | September 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama's grandparents were "blue collar"- his mom, however, was a University professor, and unless they have changed the definition of blue collar- that doesn't qualify.

Let's stop the idolization of him- he is a man, a flawed one like all others- he is a hardcore politician who gamed himself the nomination.

I am voting for him- but the rewriting of history by his lemmings is a little sickening.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear "stop drinking...":

Income defines a family. Whether steelworker (I understand he's in the union), BP roughneck, or fisherman (the working class often holds many jobs at the same time), their family's income comes from a working class activity.

Being a litigator is not a working class activity.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Lenny Bruce would've bagged Sarah Palin, and given her a few venereal diseases and crabs.

Posted by: to Andy | September 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

To Andy Bradshaw --

Please stop spreading the whole "Obama grew up in luxury" nonsense.

I grew up in Hawaii, and know quite well the neighborhood he grew up in -- Makiki. It is mainly a glut of concrete block apartment buildings, and is the first neighborhood of choice for most non-Filippino immigrants. (The Filippino immigrant community has a sizeable presence in Kalihi, about 8 miles west).

It has nice pockets, as do most neighborhoods, but the apartment building where Obama grew up certainly isn't a "well off home"; it's identical to about 20 others in the nearby vicinity and wouldn't merit a second glance from anyone passing by.

As far as the school he went to -- Punahou -- it is one of the best prep schools in the nation BUT HE GOT A SCHOLARSHIP.

I've also heard he "grew up mere minutes from the ocean." Yes, that's because the entire suburb of Honolulu (where Makiki is located) is mere miles from the ocean. It's much more accurate to say he grew up minutes from the mountains, because Makiki is much closer to the mountains than the sea.

For the love of God, do some independent research and stop parroting the nonsense Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity regurgitate.

Posted by: Perkywits | September 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Dear "anonymous" (again):

Lots of middle-class kids get scholarships. Obama's grandparents had the running of him while his mother was doing her thing. A very common story.

He grew-up in a middle-class setting and attended privledged schools. Then he became a lawyer. That is more Waugh than working class.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Chris. Thanks, NBC. Comedy is often to best medium for telling large truths.

Posted by: jhbyer | September 14, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash to Bradshaw: Sarah Palin is not a steelworker's wife. Todd Palin works for BP. Plus, she is a GOVERNOR; she is not defined by what HER HUSBAND DOES.

This is why Republicans acting like they are anti-sexist won't work. They continue to define women based on their husbands' careers.

Posted by: stop drinking the kool aid | September 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Fey was brilliant as Caribou Barbie.

Posted by: Obama 08 | September 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear Scott032:

The agenda is art. There was a time when SNL was quite bold, when it took chances.

This skit was entirely predictable. It took pains not to offend establishment orthodoxy -- portraying a President's wife who ran from the White House as a bigger achiever than a steelworker's wife who had to beat several incumbents to achieve office.

And the MILF line eventually leads to comments about female candidates like the one we see a few posts below.

Lenny Bruce would have played it different. But then he had guts.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Some important details are concealed from republican voters or maybe they are just blind! That is why SNL will put it in picture and sound and if those voters still vote for McCain, oh well, there is no medicine for stupidity. Sarah Palin got what she deserved, MOCKING!!! She mocked Obama on comunity service, she says Obama regrets not picking Hillary. Well, after we find out about her fake Iraq visit, who regrets picking her???

Posted by: BOBSTERII | September 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The glitter is wearing off Ms Palin. I see now why they want to sheild her from questions. Everytime she opens her mouth she reminds people of Bush.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Bradshaw, Obama attended Punahue on scholarship and worked low wage, part-time jobs while attending. His mother was renting an apartment at the time.

This is precisely blue collar, as I understand it. In fact, many people hope that their kids will earn scholarships to go to good schools, and many working families are sick of their kids getting stuck in the worst schools. This is part of the reason why Obama supports vouchers, but I'm sure you're one of those types who believes that he never goes against his party on anything. Wrong again.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the son and grandson of Admirals. Nothing blue-collar about that background and upbringing.

Posted by: The Admiral | September 14, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

NOW THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!

...and if you can't recognize that that was genius, like Chris said in the lead-in, then you are spending too much time pushing an agenda.

Posted by: scott032 | September 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

A food-stamp single mom is even lower than blue-collar, Andy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Loved the skit... Tina Fey looked amazing.

Some of the posters apparently didn't understand that this is a TV show and are off to races on another tangent.

Posted by: w | September 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It's the economy, stupid!

Posted by: James Carville | September 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is just a two-bit wh0re who never knew how to keep her legs together (or insist that her partner use a condom every time), not when she got knocked up while still single and had to have a shot-gun elopement, and not now as a middle-aged hag. Talk about irresponsible.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"...i've been trying to tell you dems that small town people are not going to vote for a black liberal. Can't win over a white women, your little girlyboy is going down?"

I live in a small town in Texas. I'm voting for Obama.

Aren't you a little suspicious that the exact same things you believe about Obama--that he is a liberal, that he is elitist, that he does not really love his country--are the EXACT same things that the Bush campaign made you believe about Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004?

Doesn't it seem odd to you that now that the same people who ran Bush's campaign are running McCain's campaign that they are using the EXACT same kind of distractions?

And doesn't it seem peculiar that McCain is making the EXACT same claims that Bush made in 2000--that he is going to reform Washington, that he is going to unify the country, that he is really "American"?

If you believe Bush was good for this country, you should definitely vote for McCain.

But if you haven't been served well by the Republican policies over the past 8 years--all of which were and STILL ARE avidly supported by McCain--why do you think they are going to start working for you now?

Isn't it time we got past the name calling and started talking about the important issues that are actually going to affect our small towns--infrastructure, investment, jobs, health care?

Posted by: sick of it | September 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Blue collar work is often seasonal -- and not only in Alaska, where you would expect it to be.

Some posters obviously don't understand what it is to be working class in America. Is it too much to say they would rather listen to rich comics make fun of the accents of the working class?

Senator Obama didn't grow up on Chicago's South Side. He came up in a pretty well off home in Hawaii. He went to a high-priced prep school there. That's not a blue-collar upbringing as I understand it.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I just hope Tina Fey as Sarah Palin is out of a job in 6 weeks. Though that skit is priceless, thanks to the very talented ladies! oh or is should it be women? female people?

Posted by: nclwtk | September 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Where is the creativity?

First, SNL panders to the establishment orthodoxy by playing it that a President's wife had a tougher time achieving office than did a steelworker's wife.

Now, I see some folks here are just reposting their comments in an attempt to clutter the dialogue.

Hey, we're having a chat. Stop screaming.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, the wife of a steelworker/ fisherman is probably the most proletarian candidate we've had since Harry Truman.

I ask you, my darlings, am I entirely wrong?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:52 PM


Mr. Palin is a seasonal worker who'd rather play at racing snowmobiles. His wife is his main source of financial support. No wonder she defrauded the State of Alaska out of more than $16K on per diems. Other than being a sperm donor, Todd's a sorry excuse for a man. The Palin family isn't proletarian, dad is just a slacker.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"a simple list of the schools he attended will reveal a middle-class, if not privledged, background."

So if you go on scholarship to a good school, you instantaneously become privileged???? Weren't you the same person who talked about Palin's boot straps?

Todd Palin was able to take a 7-months leave of absence in 2007 and works a well paying job for BP. Yes, it is in the field, but it is certainly not comparable to other union jobs in terms of pay. He is also a professional snowmobiler on the side. These are all valid and perfectly fine pursuits. But to paint this family as a typical working class family is stretching it quite a bit.

His wife also has a white collar job and has for a long time. Her job does not pay a ridiculous salary, but it certainly has a better salary than most other blue collar, two income families earn. Besides, it comes with very good benefits, which is also increasingly unusual for working class families. Few working families in America today can afford multi-month leaves of absence and professional athletic careers on the side. So, by your own crazy definitions, they have become part of the elite because they default to their most recent income position.

Oh well, I'm sure Palin will release her tax returns and clear up all of these income questions.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Sad to say -- America will still go for incompetent white people over the most decent and intelligent person to run for president in years, simply because he happens to be black.

Posted by: Jeff Wagner | September 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"Impersonated" ?

You must be kiddin'.

If John McCain picked Tina Frey in stead of Sarah Palin, he might actually have got somewhere with his campaign.

Put her before Mr. Gibson, and you'll see the difference.

Posted by: Toon Moene | September 14, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

“I invite the media to grow a pair, and if you can’t I will lend you mine.”

All these GOP Media Elitists telling us that we should love Palin are making me sick. Average Joes like me are smart enough to see through this hype. I agree with Matt Damon, when he says "It's like a really bad Disney movie, "The Hockey Mom.' Oh, I'm just a hockey mom from Alaska, and she's president," said Damon. "She's facing down Vladimir Putin and using the folksy stuff she learned at the hockey rink. It's absurd."

O'Reilly, and Hannity, and all their yuppy buddies should just go back to their chablis and bree, and let the rest of us judge the obvious for ourselves.

Small town Americans like me are insulted that McCain thinks he can get our support with someone like Palin. She's an actor playing a small town American, and we see right through that nonsense. I've been to as many foreign countries as she has just in the course of driving my rig through customs.

Posted by: Not Buy'n What Yer Sell'n | September 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

SNL mocked Reagan quite similarly.

He who laughs last . . .

Posted by: info | September 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The Swiftboat pigs are ready to come after Senator Obama with the same garbage they threw at Senator Kerry. Below are the two pigs that are financing and organizing like-minded pigs to join their attack on Senator Obama.

We must not allow them to go unchallenged! Do what you want with the below information.

Tony Feather is a principal in the lobbying firm of Feather Larson and Synhorst, which represents the NRA and PHRMA, and he stands to make millions if the Republicans win and he and other human scum Republican lobbyists can keep their stranglehold on OUR govt. Here is his company address and contact information:

12181 Margo Ave. S Ste. 220, Hastings, MN, United States
(651)480-0123,


Likewise for Chris LaCivita, another Joe McCarthy clone who lines his pockets at the expense of good hard-working Americans at some lobbying firm called Crosslink Strategy - here is their phone number and address:

1775 I Street, NW
Suite 700
Washington, DC 20006
V 202.338.0022
F 202.551.9966


Posted by: pj45 | September 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The Swiftboat pigs are ready to come after Senator Obama with the same garbage they threw at Senator Kerry. Below are the two pigs that are financing and organizing like-minded pigs to join their attack on Senator Obama.

We must not allow them to go unchallenged! Do what you want with the below information.

Tony Feather is a principal in the lobbying firm of Feather Larson and Synhorst, which represents the NRA and PHRMA, and he stands to make millions if the Republicans win and he and other human scum Republican lobbyists can keep their stranglehold on OUR govt. Here is his company address and contact information:

12181 Margo Ave. S Ste. 220, Hastings, MN, United States
(651)480-0123,


Likewise for Chris LaCivita, another Joe McCarthy clone who lines his pockets at the expense of good hard-working Americans at some lobbying firm called Crosslink Strategy - here is their phone number and address:

1775 I Street, NW
Suite 700
Washington, DC 20006
V 202.338.0022
F 202.551.9966


Posted by: pj45 | September 14, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

SNL needs to do a skit with Biden giving Obama on the job training "on day one" of becoming president. Biden actually said Obama would need this!

Another might be about Obama not having the experience to answer the phone at 3AM in the morning during a crisis. Hillary actually believes this. Maybe, Michelle could answer the phone or Obama might have the call forwarded to the more experienced Biden.

Another might be Obama begging Hillary supporters that he dumped to actually vote for him.

Posted by: edabelia | September 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

look, it's all pretty simple: if warmonger, neocon, and bad-tempered McCain wins, it is highly likely that we all die in a nuclear holocaust with Russia. It's that simple!

Posted by: the doc | September 14, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Dear "anonymous":

You do seem to post a lot.

First, Senator Obama's roots were not humble. The circumstances might have been worrisome for a time, but a simple list of the schools he attended will reveal a middle-class, if not privledged, background.

And yes, as circumstances change, so does how we define ourselves. Economic self-interest equals class and class is a better indicator of behavior than the particulars of a person's face.

Governor Palin's husband is a blue-collar worker NOW. As we speak. Much of her family's income is derived from a working class activity. That is a member of the proletariat.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

51-44 mccain over obama in oh, mccain down only 2 in PA i've been trying to tell you dems that small town people are not going to vote for a black liberal. Can't win over a white women, your little girlyboy is going down?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"It felt more of a political ad than a comedy act. It was predictable, in that it supported the establishment orthodoxy, whereas art (and comedy can be art) should challenge that orthodoxy."

Yes, they should challenge orthodoxy by calling for FOUR MORE YEARS, FOUR MORE YEARS, FOUR MORE YEARS.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least Andy Bradshaw can admit that McCain is part of the aristocracy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes Mitch, and that is the point.

It felt more of a political ad than a comedy act. It was predictable, in that it supported the establishment orthodoxy, whereas art (and comedy can be art) should challenge that orthodoxy.

Let Lenny Bruce be your guide!

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I get what Andy Bradshaw is saying now. If you come from a humble background and then work to get ahead, then you have always been from a "very upper-middle class life." So, we are always the product of our most recent income bracket. So, then, we can all agree that Palin isn't a hockey mom anymore? Good.

Look, you need to make other arguments about John McCain. Even his most rabid supporters understand that he came from a highly privileged background. He himself admits he did not do well in the Naval Academy and did not work hard while there. He got where he did initially simply because of family connections. He's never disputed this.

But that doesn't mean that I dishonor or disparage his real service to this country, and I don't discount that being a POW might have changed this man in untold ways. That has nothing to do with his very privileged background, in my opinion.

So, please, if you don't like Obama's policies, that's fine. But don't pretend that he and his wife come from elite roots just to disparage. It is simply not true. It is true of John McCain, though.

But who cares? This elitist crap is just a distraction. Anyone who is running for that high of an office is different from you or me. Sorry, but just face it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Carter is a blue-blood. I remember, just before he was sworn-in, it was revealed that his family was from English nobility. Decidedly blue-blood. His family was also part of the Southern farming aristocracy.

As for John McCain, I beleive it is fair to say that he was a member of our military aristocracy, as President Bush is a member of our political aristocracy.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Well done. Terribly funny, bitingly poignant. Underlying the humor, you can't help get the message - America is comfortable & ready for strong women to lead, it just has to be the right woman.

Posted by: Mitch | September 14, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear "r u kidding",

Senator Obama has lived a very upper-middle class life. Well above the norm. He is a lawyer from a good school, as is his wife. Members of the professional class. Not what brother Karl would have called the proletariat.

By-the-way, who named you that?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"President Carter was a blue-blood."

I'd love to hear how you describe John McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

McCain continues to gain in all the polls, check my blog for info:

http://mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

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A sure sign that Obama DOES NOT belong on the nation stage is the inability of Saturday Night Live to impersonate him with any confidence - there is something out of place - Obama does not belong there.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

These comments show that if you are a Republican, anyone who disagrees with you is part of the "media elite" or "media machine." And they are out.to.get.you.

Well, except Hannity.

And Glenn Beck.

And Michael Savage.

And Rush Limbaugh.

And Britt Hume.

And George Will.

And Arnold Schwarzenegger.

And Fox News, the network.

Good things those jokers haven't made any money by spouting off their opinions through "the media" and getting fat off the entertainment industry in Hollywood.

You people forget how McCain used to refer to the press, huh? He called them his "base."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

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Chris:

When are they going to impersonate you and your blog on Saturday Night Live ???


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 14, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Notwithstanding the fantastic energy and creativity of Amy Poehler, SNL has been mostly insipid for years. The best year was when Lorne Michaels was NOT at the helm: Christopher Guess, Martin Short, Billy Crystal aka "Fernando." Since that year, I got tired of spending my time during the show, just waiting for the next skit, in case it could be funny.

Posted by: Regis Urgel | September 14, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

My dear "dtm",

Yes, I do have the courage to "put my name out there", but I don't believe I am under any obligation to explain myself to someone who signs "dtm".

There are some errors in your long post. For a start, President Carter did not command a nuclear sub. He had left the Navy before the first was commissioned. He did work on the staff of the admiral who headed the program that created the nuclear sub fleet.

President Carter, who I voted for (yes, I am old enough to recall the first SNL skit), gained his experience as a Governor and a farmer/businessman.

President Carter was a blue-blood. But, can you believe that he was the last Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate nominated by the Democratic Party who had not gone to law school.

Jimmy Carter was an unknown. I remember the media spoke of "Jimmy Who?" He almost stumped "What's My Line?" It was a show that you probably don't remember.

And there was a big "stop Carter" movement because he supposedly didn't have the experience. He wasn't a lawyer and the party loves to nominate lawyers.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Hurrah! A middle-aged bimbo from Wasilla is going to rule the world now!

Posted by: thisworld | September 14, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

“I invite the media to grow a pair, and if you can’t I will lend you mine.”

All these GOP Media Elitists telling us that we should love Palin are making me sick. Average Joes like me are smart enough to see through this hype. I agree with Matt Damon, when he says "It's like a really bad Disney movie, "The Hockey Mom.' Oh, I'm just a hockey mom from Alaska, and she's president," said Damon. "She's facing down Vladimir Putin and using the folksy stuff she learned at the hockey rink. It's absurd."

O'Reilly, and Hannity, and all their yuppy buddies should just go back to their chablis and bree, and let the rest of us judge the obvious for ourselves.

Posted by: Andee Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, the wife of a steelworker/ fisherman is probably the most proletarian candidate we've had since Harry Truman.

I ask you, my darlings, am I entirely wrong?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:52 PM


What about the child of a single mother who sometimes qualified for food-stamps? Now that's proletarian.

Posted by: r u kidding? | September 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see the show, but it sounds entertaining from the transcript. Sounds like most of the barbs were directed at Palin though. Guess that means SNL is becoming part of the anti-Palin propaganda machine like the majority of the media. No surprise though.

Posted by: CitizenX | September 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"It is my opinion that income level defines us more than the particulars of our faces do."

Well, then, you certainly agree that McCain's got them all beat on elitism, then.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh but she was an 'executive' == read all about that experience here; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26695078/

Course, Governor Bush had much more exec experience -- and McCain has none...

Posted by: JayBen | September 14, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

No, I don't agree on this. Earlier, you said: "There is no substantial difference between Palin and Obama in terms of experience." Then, when people call you on it, you shift: "Well, there's no way to measure experience."

And that's what the McCain camp has done. They ran on experience, experience, experience. They said they wanted a VP who would be ready on Day One. And then, when that wasn't working, they responded, "What, *me* experience? Oh no, I'm a Washington outsider, despite having lived here for 30 years. See? Look at the woman next to me, whom I know little to nothing about and didn't even want to be vice president but had to pick her because my party said they would have a revolt on the floor if I chose the men I believed in, Lieberman and Ridge. But, no, seriously, after this decision, I am really going to stand up to Republicans. You know, the Republicans I've been an integral part of."

And, you know, this isn't a "job interview," as you put it. Do you remember who claimed to be our first "CEO President"? George Bush. If you liked him, no wonder why you are voting for Palin-McCain. But his presidency has highlighted that trying to equate the presidency with any other job is not necessarily accurate. Not to mention the fact that, because Palin has refused to talk to everyday Americans on the campaign trail--not the media, but just folks she's meeting at the ice cream shop--that analogy certainly doesn't hold because we aren't allowed to interview her.

Finally, it is not the same as chief cook and back up cook, and 8 years of Bush-Cheney should have taught you that. The VP position and the world have shifted. I sincerely don't think that at this point in time we can afford a VP who does not have a very solid grasp on foreign policy.

Say what you want about Obama, but he knows these issues. He's been on the Foreign Relations Committee, he's sponsored bi-partisan legislation regarding nuclear weapons with Senator Lugar, and he's met with world leaders. I'm sorry. It is not the same as seeing Russia from an island.

I would be happy to talk about Obama versus McCain on foreign policy, but of course, no one on the McCain side wants to do that. They would have to explain why McCain said repeatedly in 2002 that the Iraq war would be easy. They would have to explain why he still doesn't support Obama's plan of making timetables, which the Bush administration itself is now supporting. Heck, this week, the Bush administration announced it is going to shift troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, something that Obama has been urging for years. McCain is still tentative about this idea.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Your talking points are being made too much on the fly. You need to take a deep breath.

Matt Damon and Tina Fey are very rich people. They hardly live "regular" lives, so how are they to represent "regular" people?

It is my opinion that income level defines us more than the particulars of our faces do. In my opinion, the wife of a steelworker/ fisherman is probably the most proletarian candidate we've had since Harry Truman.

I ask you, my darlings, am I entirely wrong?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Corruption up the Wasilla.

Posted by: trace1 | September 14, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

As a Clinton supporter who will be voting for Sarah Palin, I thought this was great.

I don't think the barbs were directed at either woman. From my view, the ridicule by these two female comedians was aimed straight at the truly atrocious treatment from the media of BOTH of these female candidates.

The media in America has let us down.

Posted by: Jan | September 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Andy,

What do you know about experience anyway? Since you don't mind putting your name out there, you won't mind saying more about who you are. You throw around the term as if you really know something about it. What do you mean?

I don't believe the "experience" debate is really about "experience", "command responsibility", or the like.

Carter went to Annapolis and commanded a nuclear sub, yet he was an ineffective president.

Bush II had loads of experience and even a Harvard MBA and has been a disaster. The entire Bush team/league that has flushed a trillion bucks down the drain in Iraq has one of the collectively most impressive resumes ever.

As to being governor of some state, Bush II was one and Clinton was one and it is arguable that we have not had such a string of poor leadership in a long time. Bush I had really terrific administrative and leadership experience and he did not last for a second term.

I think the question is fairly simple. What do we know about this person and how they will perform in office? We know a lot about Obama and people disagree on what it means. We know nothing at all about Sarah Palin and her handlers are intent to let things stay that way.

I would like to know about the credentials and capabilities of the person who was representing me in court, doing surgery on me, drawing up my will or investing my money, or stopping me for a traffic violation. Why is it out of bounds or sexist to ask tough questions of the person who could easily come to command the US Military and have the finger on the nuclear button?

And when someone substitutes glib and empty platitudes for answers when asked about their credentials for the nation's second highest office, why is it not appropriate to mock them? To me that is much better than supporting them and voting for them.

As to your cultural analysis of SNL -- you say more about yourself than about the show, but hey, everyone needs a chance to perform!

Posted by: dtm | September 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign is desperate to change the subject. False controversy takes the emphasis away from a candidate who was so uninspiring that only 20% of his supporters were enthusiastic about him. Tiny crowds of bored people were the norm for McCain. Palin was selected by the same folks who brought us a "compassionate conservative" from Texas, who, like Palin, has turned out to be anything but what they sold.
She brought home more earmarks per person than any other state, 10 times higher rate than Illinois.

Meanwhile, hard working Americans are slipping into the mud in this economy. Our real incomes have dropped while everything costs more. Can you tell me one thing McCain has done to help uninsured Americans get health care? Can you tell me what McCain has done over the last 26 years that will help us transition to a renewable energy economy? McCain agrees that global warming is influenced by the burning of fossil fuels. But you know what his solution is, you heard it at the convention: Drill, Baby, Drill.

Drilling. That was the answer in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and most of the first decade of the new century. Don't you think it's time we actually did something different?

Barack Obama authorized incentives for renewable, green energy in this country. Barack Obama authorized a program to help 150,000 people in Illinois get access to affordable healthcare, and he voted to cover uninsured children in the CHIP program. Barack Obama will cut taxes for 95% of American working families, and everyone making less than $250,00 will see large decreases in the taxes they pay across the board: Payroll, income, capital gains taxes, etc. will decrease for hard working people and we will be able to begin to get ahead once more.

McCain voted against healthcare for children. McCain voted against renewable energy. But McCain emphatically supports tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%- the biggest rate cut going to those who make over 2.5 million dollars a year.

Barack Obama will lower taxes for those making less than $250,000 per year to the lowest levels in 50 years. Those making more will be taxed at the same rate they paid in the Reagan years. Senior citizens making less than $50,000 will pay NO TAXES under Barack Obama.

Barack Obama: Lowest tax rates for working families in the last 50 years, affordable healthcare for the uninsured, clean renewable domestic energy.

McCain wants to continue the Bush policies in each of these areas.

And I still haven't heard anyone ask McCain how he plans to pay for continuing Bush's failed policies. Perhaps China still has some money to lend.....

Posted by: OkieMom | September 14, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Andy, what would have been your idea of successful dialogue in a skit depicting Hillary Clinton & Sarah Palin?

Posted by: r u kidding? | September 14, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

To Andy-

I agree she is the 2nd cook, if you agree that the first cook is 72 years old (older than any other first cook ever taking over the restaurant for the first time), a 4-time cancer survivor who just had surgery to remove a growth not more than 3 months ago, and that 1/3 of the 2nd cooks in this restaurant have become 1st cooks.

Not saying Palin's views are central to the campaign, but they are AN issue

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I have to smile when people describe NBC as "leftish" and SNL in particular as leaning Democratic.

1. Mr. & Mrs. Tom Brokaw host Republican fund-raisers in their home.

2. SNL producer Lorne Michaels is openly Republican.

3. When I was a writer at SNL in the fall of '84, then-producer Dick Ebersol said to me, "we've got to stick it to Mondale." Later he banished pointed satire of President Reagan from the show.

Posted by: Marc Darn | September 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant. Feylin.

Posted by: JayBen | September 14, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

All these GOP Media Elitists telling us that we should love Palin. Average Joes like me are smart enough to see through this hype. I agree with Matt Damon, when he says "It's like a really bad Disney movie, "The Hockey Mom.' Oh, I'm just a hockey mom from Alaska, and she's president," said Damon. "She's facing down Vladimir Putin and using the folksy stuff she learned at the hockey rink. It's absurd."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

That was one of the funniest clips of SNL ever!
Thank you, Tina Fey. Us regular folks in the real world needed that: expose Sarah Palin as a robot, gimick, and a complete joke!

If only the main stream media had the courage to follow your lead!

Well done.

Posted by: JG | September 14, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

My darlings, please don't work yourselves up so. Look how quickly you fall into hate mode: "It seems abundantly clear that Andy Bradshaw is a deranged conspiracy theorist."

Calm down. Cut back on the coffee. You are, perhaps, over your limit.

It is my opinion that the sketch failed as comedy because it merely supported the establishment orthodoxy. Art should challenge.

Now that is my opinion. You are free to attempt to shout it down, but that defines me less than it defines you.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I wish people would keep their mean spirited attacks on Gov. Palin to themselves...or at the Dailykos.

Posted by: John | September 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

First, the two are not even applying for the same job. One is looking to be the chief cook. The other, back-up cook.

As a starting point, can we at least agree on this?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:36 PM


No way! Sarah's applying to take over as chief cook from Day One, if necessary.

Posted by: r u kidding? | September 14, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Now to the more interesting question posed by someone anonymously just a few posts back.

Of course, there is no way to precisely measure "experience", so we can't determine something "exactly" -- only relatively. Like any job interview, it is a subjective determination made on the part of the interviewer.

That said, it seems that a great many people are applying their prejudices when conducting their personal "interviews" of Senator Obama and Governor Palin.

First, the two are not even applying for the same job. One is looking to be the chief cook. The other, back-up cook.

As a starting point, can we at least agree on this?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If you can do that good of an impersonation of somebody, than the answer is clear:

Palin is a ROBOT!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Look, Sarah is this year's Sanjaya. Fey was great (even got Sarah's cornball accent right). Sarah is an amazing treasure trove of oddball humor, and I can't wait for SNL to milk it for all it's worth. Those who are giddy hardcore Sarah fans will stick with her to the bitter (and Sarah is so very bitter) end. Fortunately, America got it right with Sanjaya (he lost)...and America will get it right with Sarah (McCain will lose).

Posted by: Leslie in Philadelphia | September 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

What an amazing impersonation - and an great affirmation of Fey's brilliance as an actor (from capturing Palin's high-pitched squeak to the nuance of her body language) -- and hopefully effective enough to generate enough buzz with which to galvanize an apparently lazy symbolic-preferring electorate into taking a closer look at this (Times vetted; forensic if you will evidence)of the weak and vindictive Palin record.

With some major media pieces today finally chronicalling the real Palin (stripped of symbolism and hype) and using concrete records and those stubborn factual realities, we will indeed soon discover that this fur-fleeced empress never did have any clothes.

And that one can't fuse small town politics often rife with nepotism and retribution (and certainly in this case and in spite of the pending and cumulative expected efforts from any number of GOP handlers, their spiteful, subliminal wordsmiths and sad, vitriolic pundits) in the days to follow and expect it to hold up against the national glare.

Enjoy the (weak-levveed, if you will) mania Palin stepfords and fans, - as the spector of the original lack of vetting (even if said vetting was really nothing more than just shallow scratch and sniff playing second fiddle to the more pressing need to galvanize and shock a lethargic base into some financial committment) -- will now reveal and surrender to the gravitas of facts and realities from which records can't hide, regardless of how much homey spin you may try to wrap it in.

These GOP speeches to rabid consituents and McCain's (sad) tenancious, hand wringing, uncomfortable looking desperation and cling to me Sarah! rallies will soon yeild some harsh realities as he will have tweak or trash his mantra of a life-time of "straight talk" and instead surrender to posturing, mud-slinging mistruths, half-truths and contextual twisting.

So that actually means he as well is an now emperor with no clothes.

Kinda sad what a man will in defference to his ego (winning the white house at any cost) - including abandoning all shreds of his reputation of "maverick"
and disengenuously trying to co-opt the Blue Ticket mantra.

What irrationally goes up, must rationally come down.

Though on this last point it would have regardless of the growing seepage of evidence of Palin's "governance staffing by year book" and mayor by absentee.

80% approval rating? Or would it be more apt to say 60% fear rating of being branded one of Palin's haters if you don't approve and word leaks out? Sounds like if you like your job, you like your Sarah - or else.

Tina Fey rocks. A true thesbian - a great, aware artist!!

Posted by: Ron Jones | September 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

It seems abundantly clear that Andy Bradshaw is a deranged conspiracy theorist. Everyone who doesn't agree with him is a part of a giant conspiracy out to get us all through subversive ads! They are controlling our minds!!! Through humor!!!!

He is also telling us to educate ourselves. What an elitist. I rely on my common sense. And that skit was hilarious. Hilarious.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, what a joke, surely you realize that NONE of the candidates are FROM Washington. I think you mean to imply that Palin is a Washington outsider. Which means that she has no experience in federal government.

But, wait, she does have some connections with Washington:

*She hired a lobbyist to get tens of millions of dollars in pork barrel spending for her town of 6,000 people. Now that's small town values!

*Despite the infusion of federal funds, she left that town with over $20 million in long-term debt

*She headed Ted Stevens's 527 organization

*She is now blocking a bipartisan legislative investigation, spearheaded by an unaffiliated appointed lawyer--an investigation she once said she would be happy to comply with. She's even claiming "executive privilege." Sound familiar?

*She refuses to talk to everyday voters, but claims it is the media's fault.

She may not yet live in Washington, but she's clearly been familiar with their way of doing things for a long, long time. Another spend and deficit Republican, promising reform and unity, while in fact running a my-way-or-the-highway office.

Yea for reform! Things are really going to change NOW!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I've run a small business for 5 years and I flew over Cuba on my way to Jamaica 10 years ago. Does that mean I'm qualified for President?

Posted by: TruthHurts | September 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Andy says: "So it fails as comedy, in my opinion. You might love this sort of thing."

Andy sounds like an elitist, if you ask me. We're too stupid to realize we shouldn't laugh.

Posted by: Andagain | September 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Deference" is a U.S. Senate candidate with Secret Service protection. That's what you get when you run and your old man is the President.

The media corporation that owns and operates SNL is part of the MSM.

Why don't you get a copy of its Dun & Bradstreet Report? Why don't you go on the Internet and check out its SEC filings? Educate yourself.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"It's like a really bad Disney movie, "The Hockey Mom.' Oh, I'm just a hockey mom from Alaska, and she's president," said Damon. "She's facing down Vladimir Putin and using the folksy stuff she learned at the hockey rink. It's absurd."

Posted by: Amen | September 14, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"If the dope writers took two seconds to think about it, the real genius would have been to being in Sarah Palin and have her impersonate Tina Fey."

Unfortunately, Palin won't talk to anyone unless she receives "deference"...including everyday voters.

At yet another campaign stop, Palin refused to take questions from regular voters yesterday. I am sure those working folks in Nevada are part of the "media elite," though, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Tina Fey is a better Palin than the real thing. She is prettier and more fun to watch. Tina Fey for VP!

Posted by: Mary | September 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"Obama and Palin are equal in their lack of experience, just in different areas."

How exactly?

No, seriously, how?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess folks like Karen have no sense of humor.

Do you even know what the "media" is versus a comedy show?

Have you counted how many times McCain has appeared on SNL? Heck, he even guest hosted in 2002.

But now they are mean "media elites," rather than just regular comedians from all over the country. Are we all "elites" if we don't agree with you on everything?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

You have set the bar for genius very low.

This is more in the way of propaganda. The way the parties use comics in Isreali elections to deliver a point.

It isn't art. It doesn't challege establishment orthodoxy or the individual intellect. It's nothing new.

So it fails as comedy, in my opinion. You might love this sort of thing.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

My wife, listening from the other room, just hollered "That sounds like the old 'Saturday Night Live"." (Yeah, we're so old we can remember those shows. We weren't so old that it prevented us from moving out of the United States so we didn't have to keep paying taxes for President Cheney's genocide, though.)

Give it up, Repukes. Your Mrs. Piggy VP candidate has been tagged with the meme of being smirky and stupid. Mainly because she is. That might appeal to smirky, stupid Rapture Reich types who want to start a war that's SOOOOOO big that Jesus will have to come down to Earth. But there are more smart Americans than there are Sarah-level stupid ones. So your Gang of Perverts is doomed.

And hey, Repukelickins, if you get it close enough to cheat your way into four more years of misrule, I'll be Down Under with a big bowl of popcorn to watch the fireworks when your bodies are vapourising in the nuclear war that an Uncle Fester/Miss Mooseturd ticket will bring. That will be so cool! Except for you Repigs -- your hair will be on fire, to be followed shortly by the rest of you. But hey -- I believe that everyone should get what they truly deserve.

Posted by: Bukko in Australia | September 14, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I love both these women for their strength and how what they do improves the lives of many. I respect and admire the hard work and what I know they had to overcome to get where they are. I don't 100% agree with either of them but I can acknowledge they both are just as worthy of the position as any man their equal. Obama and Palin are equal in their lack of experience, just in different areas. If you can say he has earned it, then you have to say she has! Hillary should have been on TOP the dem ticket in my opinion. The skit was brilliant and funny as hell!

Posted by: daisymom4 | September 14, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

When the went after kids in Weekend Update and then made fun of people who don't live in NY, DC or Chicago, you don't realize how mad that gets people. Sarah Palin has the same accent of people from the North states, upper midwest. You have no idea how mad people are at the liberal elites. SNL didn't get Hillary elected, and they just might have ruined any chance Obama wil be elected.

Posted by: Karen | September 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Sheer genius!
I think if I were Obama I'd have Tina Fey doing Palin on TV adverts ridiculing her like this.
- so Gov.Palin, you believe in creationism. The
Earth is only 5,000 years old. So how did all of the oil get into the ground in Alaska?
- so Gov.Palin, you're leaning on your record as Mayor of Wasilla, so how did you rack up those huge deficits?
- so Gov.Palin, you don't believe in earmarks, particularly to build bridges, so why did you support them? and then not support them? and, more importantly, why didn't you give the money back?
I honestly found it difficult to tell the difference between Fey and Palin. The "I can see Russia from my house" nearly had me in tears it was so funny!

Posted by: Mike | September 14, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

THE PALIN AFFAIR ACCUSATION PALIN CHEATED ON HER HUSBAND?
http://www.theveep.com

THE PALIN DUI?
http://www.duihelpguide.com

Levi Johnson The self Proclaimed Redneck and the Stud who got Sarah Palins Daughter Pregnant.
http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

THE PALIN AFFAIR ACCUSATION PALIN CHEATED ON HER HUSBAND?
http://www.theveep.com

THE PALIN DUI?
http://www.duihelpguide.com

Levi Johnson The self Proclaimed Redneck and the Stud who got Sarah Palins Daughter Pregnant.
http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I am having a nice brunch. Thank you.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

There is no substantial difference between Palin and Obama in terms of experience. He has a bit more time in. She has made executive decisions. As I questioned with the Lincoln example, does it matter?

Yes, I hope the skit is watched a lot too. It laughs at the kinds of people it should be wooing.

Finally, your compatriot's vote for Tina Fey over Sarah Palin about sums it up.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

When the McCain campaign is slinging mud and flat out lying, it's riotous to hear someone whine that a COMEDY SHOW isn't "elevating the tone".

Posted by: milo | September 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

And now I see someone actually has put down Lincoln for not having "executive experience".

Bradshaw, give it a rest. The rest of us are having a good laugh, we get that you're upset they're picking on poor lil Sarah. Instead of posting over and over in response to A COMEDY SKETCH why don't you go out and have a nice brunch or something?

Posted by: milo | September 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Head of State - why would anyone cite your lame blog when all you have done is boost the lines from an SNL skit?

Posted by: bondjedi | September 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The 'milf' jibe totally legitimate? Really? What other words do you think appropriate to a female candidate?

And how is that going to elevate the tone -- the civility -- of our politics?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I would vote for Tina Fey as VP. Palin, no way.

Posted by: donna | September 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

What is the most pathetic part of all this? The funniest lines are the ones originally delivered by Palin in her interview with Charlie Gibson. Tina Fey was spot-on.

Posted by: MM | September 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Really, people are still whining about the "executive experience" thing? That's the most idiotic thing I've heard in a long time.

If you redefine experience such that only being a mayor or governor counts, then MCCAIN doesn't have executive experience.

Hell, by that standard ABRAHAM LINCOLN didn't have "executive experience" - are you going to tell me that HE shouldn't have been president?

The difference between Obama's experience and Palin's is night and day. Only someone with rose colored Tina Fey glasses would insist otherwise.

Hilarious skit, and right on target. This is going to get watched a LOT this week online and deservedly so.

Posted by: milo | September 14, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

So now a candidate's foreign policy experience is being vetted by a comedy act on an commerical broadcast run by a for-profit media corporation that makes its fortune selling 30-second bits of advertising?

Now I'm worried about our future too.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Ugh. SNL hasn't been funny since John Belushi was on it.

If the dope writers took two seconds to think about it, the real genius would have been to being in Sarah Palin and have her impersonate Tina Fey.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Dori, The 'milf' jibe is totally legitimate -she's hardly gotten where she has by brains alone. Looks, sex appeal are a vote-getter for her.

Posted by: Baby Fix | September 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

This video is hysterical. Yea, SNL! What's odd is, it wasn't taken off of every other site I looked at including youtube. What's going on?

Posted by: Robin in L.A. | September 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

More of the same. I've read it would be much, much worse. I've read Obama is going to attack Palin. That is insanity. In McCain, the misogynists administration she would have no say in anything.

Posted by: annbier | September 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

In fact, she is not running for President. And the skit was not "spot on". It merely supported the established orthodoxy. Art is about taking chances.

John McCain is blessed with good genes. Look at his mother.

Even so, if Sarah Palin became President just three months into a McCain administration, she would have vastly more experience than Senator Obama would have on his first day as President.


Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/and-i-can-see-russia-from-my-house.html

Instantly viral from SNL.

The classic line: "And I can see Russia from my house!":

FEY: When I was told that Senator Clinton and I would be addressing you tonight...[audience laughs]

POEHLER: And I was told that I would be addressing you alone...[audience laughs]

FEY: Now I know it must be a little bit strange [audience laughs] for all of you to see the two of us together, what with me being John McCain's running mate...

POEHLER: And me being a fervent supporter of Senator Barack Obama...as evidenced by this button (touches button) [audience laughs]

FEY: But tonight we are crossing party lines to address the now very ugly role that sexism is playing in the campaign...

POEHLER: An issue which I am, frankly, suprised to hear people suddenly care about...[audience laughs]

FEY: You know, Hillary and I don't agree on every...

POEHLER: ANYthing. [audience laughs] I believe that diplomacy should be the cornerstone of any foreign policy.

FEY: And I can see Russia from my house. [audience laughs, applauds, cheers]

POEHLER:I believe that global warming is caused by man...

FEY: And I believe that it's just God hugging us closer... [audience laughs, applauds]

POEHLER: I don't agree with the Bush Doctrine...

FEY: And I don't know what that is... [audience laughs, applauds]...

[Video]

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/and-i-can-see-russia-from-my-house.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Interview between Fey/Palin and then later on someone who could easily play Bay Buchanan:

Interviewer: "So Sarah. What do you think of this black color?"
Fey/Palin: "That's yellow, Charl-eee."
Interviewer: "Ah, my name's not Charlie, but yellow? It looks black to me."
Fey/Palin: "No, Charl-eee, it's yellow."
Interviewer: "Ah..., my name's not Charlie. Anyway, do you know what yellow looks like?"
Fey/Palin: "In what respect Charl-eee?"
Interviewer: "In respect to the color."
Fey/Palin: "Well, Charl-eee, yellow is the color of strawberries and blueberries."
Interviewer: "Ah, no, yellow is the color of lemons."
Fey/Palin: "Yes Charl-eee, that' what I said."

Interviewer speaking with Bay Buchanan later on:

Interviewer: "So Bay, how do you think she did with her answer? It seemed as though she had a tough time knowing black from yellow."

Bay Buchanan after swallowing a handful of gravel: "It was perfect. Look, that was a good answer because as everyone knows, when a lemon starts to go bad, it becomes as we all know, black. So her answer of yellow was really 'black' - everyone could see that."

Interviewer: "Don't you think if the question were posed to Obama, and he answered the same thing as Palin, you wouldn't call it stupid, irresponsible, moronic, air-headed?"

Bay Buchanan: "Look, Obama doesn't know what Black is so no, I wouldn't expect him to be able to answer that one. And I don't appreciate that they threw her a 'gotcha' like that. That's not going to happen when Bill O'Reilly interviews her. Fox will make sure she knows the answers."

Posted by: A non-e-moose | September 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

don't gamble my country and my children's future on 'maybe McCain will make it through'

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I loved the skit. It was so witty and "spot on" for both of the characters. God help us if Palin is elected one heart beat away. Does that scare the wits out of you or what. From "Cowboy to Mavrick to Hockey MOM...... to the toilet.

Posted by: donna Preston | September 14, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

o my god of course she is

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Of course, she's not running for President.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The "experience" issue is nonsense. In a democracy you always run the risk of elected someone with less experience than might be preferred.

President Lincoln had just two years in Congress under his belt when he was elected -- unless you count the time he spent in the Illinois legislature representign about as many people as live in Wasilla, Alaska.

In fairness to both Senator Obama and Governor Palin, they are both pretty thin on experience. But that's America. Anyone can become President.

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton didn't just simply make it on the back of her husband's presidency. Certainly, her election in 2000 had a lot to do with name recognition and maybe even the understanding that some women have with what she went through with her husband's very public scandals. But since then, Hillary has built herself a very accomplished Senate career. To somehow compare Obama, McCain, Biden, or Clinton to this nobody from Alaska is completely absurd.

IF Palin had demonstrated an intellectual curiosity about foreign policy, IF Palin had demonstrated a keen understanding of the levers afforded the executive branch to manipulate the economy, IF Palin had shown that she had spent more than a handful of cram sessions with McCain's dubious (ex-lobbyist) policy advisors, and IF Palin could elucidate an energy policy that goes beyond "drill baby drill", then you'd be looking at an exemplary Republican ticket, even independent of her right-wing social views.

As we now know, Palin cannot satisfy even one of the above criteria and the Republicans should be ashamed at the BS they're sprouting to cover up her deficiencies and McCain's stunning lack of judgement.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Mt husband and I couldn't stop laughing, but I thought the "MILF" joke (I think there was one during "Weekend Update" too) was WAY out of line and in terrible taste. It just gives credence to those who claim that Palin is being treated in a sexist way.

Posted by: Dori | September 14, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hilary Clinton is a "do it yourself" bootstrapper?

Married to a disgraced ex-president and getting "selected" for a hand-picked Senate seat is not doing it yourself.

The fact that Palin is NOT from Washington is her greatest asset in my eyes. Far more experienced than an absentee first-term Senator who never held an honest job or a carpet-bagger Senator from NY.

The world is turning upside down!!!

Posted by: what a joke | September 14, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Backing-up establishment orthodoxy isn't genius -- and it certainly isn't art. Art should challenge the ruling orthodoxy.

Here we have someone who achieved office as the wife of a President. Let's play her as the tough, did-it-on-her-own, boot-strapper.

Then we have the wife of a steelworker, who had to take out incumbents to achieve office. Let's play her as the sex pet, the bubble-head.

It takes real courage to play it the way the establishment wants to hear it.

Where is Lenny Bruce when we need him?

Posted by: Andy Bradshaw | September 14, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH!!! Yes, funny but also scary. The problem with making things up in the real world, like 'Palin's executive experience as mayor of 5000 people qualifies her to be president' is that she might actually become president. Presidents need broad understanding, resolve, quick judgement, and strong principles. There is no way to really understand who she is in the 6 weeks we've been given to figure out -- at the same time we're trying to figure out whether McCain's choice is a sign of senile dementia. And 'ticketop' is just making it up that they've been 'debunked' - she believes the planet is 4,000 years old, and people co-existed with dinosaurs, and she wanted to ban books, and she's embroiled in the same kind of partisan scandal that she says she will reform. Palin will clean up the Justice Department scandals? The Dems keep saying 'more of the same' - but McCain/Palin may be even worse than Bush.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Tina Fey and Amy Poehler were excellent in this skit. And, like all good comedy, it really highlighted the absurdity of Sarah Palin's ascent in politics and the proposition that she could be POTUS. I mean, come on. How can anyone justify this? She has absolutely zero foreign policy credentials. Barack Obama has at least traveled and lived abroad, met with foreign heads of state, served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, authored nuclear nonproliferation legislation, and has had 20 months to illustrate and defend his views on a variety of foreign policy topics, including in over 20 live debates. You may disagree with those views, but to somehow say that Palin has as much or more experience than Obama and is patently ridiculous.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I say McCain/Fey 08

This was a total riot!

Posted by: :-) | September 14, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

'genius' is going a little far, fixy.

Posted by: baby fix | September 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

ticketopoo: which book says the president must have had 'executive experience'?Besides, it would disqualify mccain more than obama- mccain has lacked 'executive experience' for far longer.

Posted by: baby fix | September 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

More appropriate might have been a "liar's poker" game between Palin and Clinton, in which Plain loses because her lies are found out!

Posted by: Al Bode | September 14, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The skit's pretty damned funny, but let's not kid ourselves -- both it and the Weekend Update to follow did little more than rehash debunked attacks against the Governor. The comment about dinosaurs was from a leftist parody -- not the Governor's mouth. You CAN see Russian land from Alaskan land in the Bering Strait (which you'd know if ABC hadn't edited the interview so heavily). And the question on the so-called "Bush Doctrine" showed Gibson knew about as much as Palin did. The fact is, the more folks point out the Governor's "inexperience" the more it shines a lot on Democrats' #1's inexperience. Palin may only be a heartbeat away, but Obama would be it; and how does skipping a bunch of votes and writing a couple books qualify you any more for the presidency than actual executive experience?

Posted by: ticketop | September 14, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"And I can see Russia from my house"

It would be funny it if wasn't so sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

If Tina Fey was on the ticket, I might consider voting for it. Palin should have had Tina fill in for her w/ Charlie Gibson - I have a feeling Tina's thought more about the questions he asked.

Seriously (?) though, the skit points out the sad truth that women are simply not interchangeable as the McCain campaign might like us to think. Tina Fey portrayed - in Palin's own words - exactly why Palin is unqualified. Amy Poehler reminded us of what might have been.

Posted by: pamela | September 14, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

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