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Parsing the (Tracking) Poll: Feeling Voters' Pain


Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

One of the essential character traits in any successful politician is an ability -- whether real or feigned -- to connect with the hopes and fears of the average voter.

Voters tend to like to vote for politicians that they believe are extraordinary (whether that means in terms of charisma, brain power of some other less tangible trait) but at the same time care about the lives of the average American.

This "empathy" factor is particularly important in this election for two reasons: first, many people -- Democrats, independents and even some Republicans -- believe the policies of the Bush Administration have shown an active disregard for the average voter; and second, the current economic crisis has left people looking to their government for reassurance and answers far more than at any time in the recent past.

In the latest iteration of the Washington Post/ABC News tracking poll, Barack Obama carries an 18-point edge over John McCain when voters are asked which of the two men "better understands the problems of people like you."

Fifty-five percent of the overall sample chose Obama while 37 percent opted for McCain --- numbers essentially unchanged from polling conducted by the Post/ABC as far back as early summer.

Given that gap, it's no surprise that McCain has relied heavily on the now infamous "Joe the Plumber" in the closing moments of the campaign. The image of McCain fighting for Joe and others like him is the campaign's attempt to show voters that the Arizona senator not only understands the economy but also empathizes with the plight of the average voter.

While the McCain campaign insists a focus on tax policy -- seen through the lens of "Joe the Plumber" -- has boosted their numbers among white men and cut into Obama's lead nationally, there is scant evidence that it is the silver bullet that will bring McCain back.

To truly build momentum, McCain needs to find a way to feel voters' pain on the economy -- and fast.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 25, 2008; 7:07 AM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008 , Parsing the Polls  
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TO 37THAND OST-YOU ARE A COWARD! YOU WOULD NEVER SAY THAT TO A BLACK PERSON'S FACE- WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY!
i THINK WHITE PPL WHO ACT LIKE 37AND0ST ARE REALLY SCARED OF BLACK PPL'S POTENTIAL BC THERE IS NO REASON TO BE SO ANGRY! DID YOUR WIFE LEAVE YOU FOR A BLACK MAN?

YOU ARE WHITE TRASH AND A RACIST!

F--- AFFIRMATIVE ACTION! THERE SHOULD BE NO NEED FOR IT, BUT BC WHITE PPL ARE SO RACIST THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE BLACK PPL DONT GET EXCLUDED! IT BURNS ME UP TO HEAR PPL TALK ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND THE LIKE AND WHAT "WE" DO FOR BLACK PPL- YOU ARE TEH MOST DANGEROUS KIND! YOU OBVIOSLY HAVE NO BLACK FRIENDS-

Posted by: ccsoto | October 27, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse


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What America Faces Is Control By Two Spoiled Brats

The rich are of two groups - 1) Conservatives who believe in low taxes and capitalism 2) spoiled children of the rich who have not worked for their money who are ultra-liberal and somehow believe the answer is in government programs giving minorities everything just like their daddy gave them everything and thus became spoiled.



My theory is this: Obama and his wife are like the 2.0 version of the second group - the spoiled rich children have created affirmative action so now we have spoiled bratty children of affirmative action. Obama and his wife do not APPRECIATE what the affirmative action programs have given them - Obama refused to be a lawyer - Obama and his wife appear to have a chip on their shoulders - THEY APPEAR TO ADHERE TO THE THINKING OF DOROTHY TILMAN MORE THAN THE US CONSTITUTION.


Someone had to sacrifice to get the spoiled adults the money which they do not appreciate - and their ultra-liberal arrogance is based on not merit but being spoiled. Bratty kids come from this mess - bratty kids who cheat and lie to get what they want -


That is what we have here - two spoiled brats who believe that they DESERVE compensation for slavery and the jim crow era - Not that they were victims of those eras however they believe they deserve compensation for the pain of other generations.


What has already been handed to them with affirmative action Harvard, Columbia, Princeton, Micheles's $300,000 a year job MEANS NOTHING. THIS IS A JOKE.



What America Faces Is Control By Two Spoiled Brats


If you think the economy is bad now WAIT for these two spoiled brats to wreck it further with higher taxes, higher capital gains and massive government programs which will lead to STAGFLATION which will erode your savings and ruin your retirement plans and savings.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 27, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Both Jack Welch and I are supporting John McCain and we feel the most important articles in the NY Times today were the lead article on Increasing Corporate Layoffs in the United States and the follow up article on the Job Disaster in Rhode Island. Rhode Island is suffering with 8.8% unemployment and, not coincidentally, is the state ranked 50th for business tax treatment by the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. Neighboring Massachusetts is ranked 34th, with 6.1% unemployment. Two states with no state corporate tax, South Dakota and Wyoming , have 2.8 and 3.0% unemployment. The conclusion of the NYT article is that State officials in RI are rethinking and planning to alter their business tax policy. Do you think this article has implications in the coming election? Jack and I do!
Jack said so on This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning. He said that he moved GE out of RI because of their state corporate taxes! Do you think we should increase or decrease corporate taxes in the current recession (hint-Herbert Hoover increased them)?

A job is worth more than $900...true?...yet THAT is the difference between Obama's proposed $1200 tax break to the middle class and McCain's $300 tax break to the middle class. Cutting business taxes makes our country more attractive to large business, which can move anywhere, AND more conducive to small business hiring...a win-win...I'm sure those in Rhode Island would gladly take $900 less in direct tax cuts for a job!

Posted by: thecannula | October 26, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

IS BUSH STARTING AN OFFENSIVE IN THE MIDDLE EAST BEFORE THE ELECTION?

IS THIS THE OCTOBER SURPRISE?


Syria has said American troops carried out a raid inside Syria along the Iraqi border, killing eight people - if the claims are true then this will be the first military incursion by the US into Syrian territory from Iraq.

A LITTLE REACH AROUND FROM BUSH TO MCCAIN?

Posted by: seemstome | October 26, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

IS THIS PART OF THE OCTOBER SURPRISE?


Syria has said American troops carried out a raid inside Syria along the Iraqi border, killing eight people - if the claims are true then this will be the first military incursion by the US into Syrian territory from Iraq.

A LITTLE REACH AROUND FROM BUSH TO MCCAIN TO HELP HIM IN THE ELECTION?

Posted by: seemstome | October 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse


WARNING!!


You tube video of Barack Obama in Kenya supporting Raila Odinga, the election and violence afterwards.

Odinga was the agent of 'change'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5iLVlkFePE◀

Posted by: cingi | October 26, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

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Obama says he is for stopping the partisan bickering then he orders his people to attack Sarah Palin and to be deceptive by saying McCain is like Bush - Obama is the biggest HYPOCRITE OUT THERE.


Then he says he wants to be post-racial and then he twists someone's words around and calls them RACIST.

To be honest I am sick of this double-talk. Obama is the WORST LIAR OUT THERE. Then of course they complain how Bush lied. Give us a break.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 26, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Leading in Job Losses, Rhode Island Struggles On C. J. Gunther for The New York Times

By PAM BELLUCK
Published: October 25, 2008
JOHNSTON, R.I. — The family resemblance shared by John Hallam, his brother Arthur, and their cousin Dennis goes far beyond their ruddy features these days.
Dianne Ford says she has had no luck finding work.
All three were laid off this year from jobs they had held for more than a decade, with John losing two jobs in just the last nine months. Dennis’s 29-year-old daughter, Mary, a single mother of two, is out of work too, having lost her job at a restaurant when summer ended.

“What the hell’s going to happen to us?” asked John, 58, who drove a truck for a lumber company. “There are no good jobs here anymore.”

Or enough jobs of any kind. Rhode Island now has the highest unemployment rate in the nation, the first time the state has held that distinction in the three decades since such records have been kept.

With unemployment at 8.8 percent, Rhode Island has edged past Michigan, and every month seems to bring fresh reports of companies cutting workers, shutting divisions, closing altogether.
Saul Kaplan, executive director of the Rhode Island Economic Development Corporation, a quasi-state agency, said the situation “could likely get worse before it gets better,” adding, “ironically, we were the home of the Industrial Revolution.”

There are several reasons Rhode Island has fared so poorly in the economic crisis gripping the country.

Rhode Island also has few big companies — more than 80 percent of businesses employ fewer than 20 employees — and small employers have less reserves to withstand economic turmoil, Ms. Powell said.

Mr. Kaplan said that as the industrial jobs moved out of the state, it had become too dependent on lower wage service jobs like retail and hospitality, which he said were “very vulnerable to economic downturns.”

Many economic analysts and state officials say Rhode Island has long had a high tax burden for businesses, discouraging them from moving here. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)...

Working to remedy the situation, Governor Carcieri has formed a tax policy committee to recommend changes. Mr. Kaplan said state and economic leaders were “moving full steam ahead to create a new economy here” to “come out of this downturn stronger than the way we went in it.”
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SO, AS RI RECOGNIZES THE PROBLEMS HIGH CORPORATE TAXES CREATE, ARE THE OTHER 49 STATES ABOUT TO FIND OUT THAT RAISING SMALL AND LARGE BUSINESS TAXES IN A RECESSION IS THE FORMULA FOR A DEPRESSION?

Avoid this economic disaster and Vote for Jobs- Vote McCain

Posted by: thecannula | October 26, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 26, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Jack Welch Former GE CEO on This Week with George Stephanopoulos 3 minutes ago-

"The New York Times ran as its lead story the best ad for John McCain this morning"

He referred directly to the story I noted last night on how America's largest companies are cutting jobs AND the story of Rhode Island which has the HIGHEST corporate tax rates in the US with a state business tax rate of 9%- while most of RI workers are employed by small businesses, employing 20 workers or less, their unemployment rare is soaring- a promise of the future for the entire US if Obama is elected! GE, he said, pulled out of RI years ago because of increased taxes!

Thanks Jack and (I never thought I'd say this) Thanks NY Times!-

It's not too late to save America from a depression- VOTE McCain- Business employs the Middle Class!

Posted by: thecannula | October 26, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

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Let's be serious here gentlemen New Hampshire voters are probably the most familiar with John McCain compared to any state including Arizona - the idea that New Hampshire voters do not know that McCain is independent of Bush is crazy.


What is going on this year - very little press scrutiny in the national media of Rezko, Ayers and the Rev. Wright who all mentored Obama - very little or nothing about Emil Jones.


McCain's portrayal in the press has been just about malpractice on the part of the national media - McCain has been at odds with the national Republican leadership for years - McCain fought for years to get a Campaign Finance Reform legislation - McCain has been the maverick all through - if the public does not know this one has to blame the press for being deceptive.

In contrast Obama SAYS HE WANTS TO DO WHAT MCCAIN HAS DONE. Classic deception.

This year has been unbelievable. In the end I believe John McCain will win because the American people are smarter than the press.


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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 26, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Osama Bin Laden and the United Muslim terrorist Nations are in full support of the Extremist and Radical Barack Hussein....

Osama has poured millions into Hussein's campaign and has remained quiet for the first time since the attack on America on 9/11.

Jeremiah Wright, Barack's pastor of hate who damned America after the Muslim's attack on 9/11, is also quite in hiding, just like Osama.

Americans need to come together to save the country we love from the radical Muslims headed by Osama Obama, by voting for John McCain, a true patriot that risked his life for the country he loves and has always been proud of.

Same America!
Vote for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 26, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse
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John Mccain is a disgusting excuse for a human being.

JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.

Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
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Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoseBNetlEk

Posted by: popasmoke | October 26, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Osama Bin Laden and the United Muslim terrorist Nations are in full support of the Extremist and Radical Barack Hussein....

Osama has poured millions into Hussein's campaign and has remained quiet for the first time since the attack on America on 9/11.

Jeremiah Wright, Barack's pastor of hate who damned America after the Muslim's attack on 9/11, is also quite in hiding, just like Osama.

Americans need to come together to save the country we love from the radical Muslims headed by Osama Obama, by voting for John McCain, a true patriot that risked his life for the country he loves and has always been proud of.

Same America!
Vote for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 26, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Today's NY Times Headline-

Spending Stalls and Businesses Slash U.S. Jobs
By LOUIS UCHITELLE
As the financial crisis cuts demand for American goods and services, the workers who produce them are losing their jobs by the tens of thousands.

***GREAT TIME TO ELECT A PRESIDENT WHO WOULD RAISE TAXES ON BUSINESS!!!!!***

Small Businesses will lay off!

Big Businesses will move jobs overseas!

13% Unemployment in an Obama 1st term...

(only Herbert Hoover raised taxes in a recession...what kind of a warped mind squeezes every last drop of milk from a sick cow?)


Posted by: thecannula | October 26, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

PALIN BECOMES HYSTERICAL TODAY CALLING OBAMA A COMMUNIST WHO WILL TAKE YOUR PROPERTY TO DIVIDE IT AMONG EVERYBODY ELSE. HER HANDLERS SAY SHE IS BECOMING UNHINGED. THEY CAN NOT CONTROL HER ANYMORE. SHE SAYS WHATEVER COMES INTO HER HEAD NO MATTER HOW CRAZY..

Posted by: popasmoke | October 25, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN * PALIN . . . 312 electorial votes .
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Without security their is no peace .

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--- C O M M A N D E R * I N * C H I E F ---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aat3ArHUcEo

Posted by: RaZoR777 | October 25, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

"Our economy is structurally sound for the long term"
George W Bush - Feb 11, 2008


"The American people can remain confident in the soundness and the resilience of our financial system"
Henry Paulson - Sept 15, 2008


"The economy is fundamentally sound"
Herbert Hoover - October, 1931


"The fundamentals of our economy are strong"
John McCain - Sept 15, 2008


McCain does not have the ability to fix this economic crisis. After declaring the fundamentals of the economy strong, he created a political circus in Washington by mucking up bailout negotiations; a deplorable campaign stunt, considering he and his political cronies helped cause the current meltdown.


It was McCain and his economic adviser Phil Gramm who pushed for the deregulation that helped lead to the banking crisis, and it was McCain's crony Rick Davis who had deep lobbyist ties to Freddie Mac. Don't let others be fooled by McCain's economic grandstanding because the reality is his policies and principles will only exacerbate our financial hardships.


McCain is being deceitful with his sudden populist message and support for regulation; his economic policies still favor our nation's wealthy elite.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 25, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICA'S ECONOMIC TROUBLES! McCain in April 08 declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and economic adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, is back with the McCain campaign full time again.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay. McCain doesn't understand our tanking economy because it doesn't affect him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZxIYTEDARU

The $100 Million Man
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.

The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.

The Anheuser-Busch Windfall
While John McCain played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek3jAkx9m10

Posted by: DrainYou | October 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris wrote, "Democrats, independents and even some Republicans -- believe the policies of the Bush Administration have shown an active disregard for the average voter"

I think the feeling that's driving the vote in this election isn't so much that Bush doesn't care - it's that he's so clueless he couldn't help even if he did care. Democratic exhibits A, B, and C are Iraq, New Orleans, Economy.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 25, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse


MORE CONTROVERSY ABOUT THE PHONY FROM THE FROZEN NORTH.


ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin's signature accomplishment _ a contract to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48 _ emerged from a flawed bidding process that narrowed the field to a company with ties to her administration, an Associated Press investigation shows.

Beginning at the Republican National Convention in August, the McCain-Palin ticket has touted the pipeline as an example of how it would help America achieve energy independence.

"We're building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever, to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets," Palin said during the Oct. 2 vice presidential debate.

Despite Palin's boast of a smart and fair bidding process, the AP found that her team crafted terms that favored only a few independent pipeline companies and ultimately benefited the winner, TransCanada Corp.

And contrary to the ballyhoo, there's no guarantee the pipeline will ever be built; at a minimum, any project is years away, as TransCanada must first overcome major financial and regulatory hurdles.

In interviews and a review of records, the AP found:

_Instead of creating a process that would attract many potential builders, Palin slanted the terms away from an important group _ the global energy giants that own the rights to the gas.

_Despite promises and legal guidance not to talk directly with potential bidders, Palin had meetings or phone calls with nearly every major candidate, including TransCanada.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 25, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I just did three hours of calling in Indiana to make citizens aware that we have early voting. Out of hundreds of calls everyone but about ten did not say who they were voting for or said they were voting for McSenile.All the rest said they were voting Obama, some students who said all of his friends were or some said the whole family was. Indiana will be BLUE.
Connie from Indiana

Posted by: grams1944 | October 25, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

ECONOMICS 103- Lab

Stanley (tool) Works- a Choice Between Jobs and Tax Bill- Raise Business Taxes=Layoffs!

Voting with their feet: when companies 'reincorporate abroad,' are they being unpatriotic? Or responsible?

Publication: National Review
Publication Date: 23-FEB-04 Format: Online

IMAGINE you are the CEO of a major multinational firm. Your chief financial officer comes to you and says if you move your legal home from the United States to Bermuda the company will have a 20 percent increase in net profits. With the increased profits, the company will be able to expand production, hire more workers, more R&D, and pay stockholders a higher dividend.

However, your VP for government relations tells you that if the company changes its legal home you, as the CEO, will be accused of being unpatriotic by some members of Congress and certain presidential candidates. Even worse, these same politicians will threaten to bar your company from obtaining U.S. government contracts, and demand that the IRS and government regulatory agencies single out your company for special scrutiny.

As the CEO of the company, you know you have a fiduciary responsibility to your stockholders to maximize their economic return by all legal and ethical means. You also know that the proposal to move your company is entirely legal and would be considered good management practice. You are also aware that many of the politicians who are likely to attack you are the same people who attacked managers in other industries, like mutual funds, for not being good custodians of investors' money. Despite what thoughtful people will clearly recognize as hypocrisy, those political attack dogs can cause considerable damage to you and your company as they have to other firms engaged in similar totally legal and appropriate behavior.

The Stanley Works (tools) company, for example, had planned in 2002 to reincorporate in Bermuda, in the hope of lowering its tax bill. The move was ditched, however, after political pressure was brought to bear on the company. Subsequently, Stanley was forced to lay off about 1,000 of its U.S. staff.

Posted by: thecannula | October 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Pretty tough to feel anybody's pain when you have all of Cindy's money – and meds.

Posted by: FlownOver | October 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

After your impassioned defenses of HRC and then McC, I must admit I'm a little shocked to see you support BHO at this point. I agree that McC has run a poor campaign and that reflects badly on his leadership skills. I've been very disappointed in McC -- the man I would have voted for in 2000 is nowhere to be found in McC v2.0.

I will miss your running battles with the Obama-maniacs.

Posted by: mnteng | October 25, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Check out this video of a Male McCain employee threatening a female journalist:

http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccain-campaign-employee-menaces-woman.html

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Wow. Seems the McCain campaign has cornered the market on fat white loser white boys to staff their headquarters. Given their support here, not too much of a surprise.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama supports DC statehood -- 62 seats in the Senate? I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned this during the presidential campaign- that Senator Obama supports making the District of Columbia a state. Why is this important? Well, here in DC there is already talk that if Obama is elected and they get their 60-seat majority in Congress the Democrats will push to make DC a state and add 2 Democratic seats to the Senate. And yes, most likely that would mean Marion Barry as one of your US Senators.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: dcpsychic | October 25, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Bar Stool Economics 101
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes,
it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed
quite happy with the arrangement, until one day,
the owner threw them a curve.
'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
(So he reduced their bill in proportion to what they currently paid-)
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man.
'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

Posted by: thecannula | October 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The Corporate Party (Grand Old Corporate Party) only feels corporate pain.

All the rest is hu-hah, to stay in power and keep the money flowing in the direction they want it to.

Posted by: sh99 | October 25, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Correction (apologies): the early NC voting "has nearly reached 2004 levels," acc. to Daily Kos --

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/24/17474/159

"NORTH CAROLINA

56% of early voters up to this point are Democrats, 27% Republicans.

The numbers were 49/37 in 2004, when Kerry lost the state 56-44.

Early voting in North Carolina has nearly reached 2004 levels. In 2004, early votes/absentee votes constituted just over 30% of the total vote. Current early voting in North Carolina is at 26% of total 2004 levels."
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""In No[r]th Carolina, more people have already voted (through early-voting) than the total number who voted in the 2004 race."

Really? How do you know this?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 25, 2008 1:12 PM"


Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I just filled up with gas this morning, $2.63 People have a very short memory. There goes another Mccain talking point. I guess there will be no more "Drill baby Drill". Actually I haven't heard them saying it lately.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain has always been out of touch. His wife, Cindy, was a drug addict for several years and John said he didn't notice. If your spouse is wacked out on narcotics for years, you really ought ot notice it. It is damning evidence of either (a) being in a deep state of denial, or (b) having a really, really bad marital relationship. Either way, McCain is one out-of-touch dude.

Posted by: Renu1 | October 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse
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It took her family to step in and do an intervention. John Mccain just plain "DID NOT GIVE A SH&T". I have always found this episode in their lives to be the most disturbing as well as telling about John Mccain. He has "NO" empathy for any other human beings even his wife. Just the other night after the debate as she came to him and he just walked away and went down the steps leaving her standing on the stage. Then she made her way down the steps in high heals looking like she could fall at any step. Did John care, hel! no, he is a sick man. Even though it was many years ago, it probably comes from his POW experience. He is still a little mentally not all there. John Mccains mental stability should be the foremost issue in this campaign with out a doubt. It is possible we may elect a man president of the United States who is pretty much out of his mind.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 25, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"In Noth Carolina, more people have already voted (through early-voting) than the total number who voted in the 2004 race."

Really? How do you know this?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 25, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain has always been out of touch. His wife, Cindy, was a drug addict for several years and John said he didn't notice. If your spouse is wacked out on narcotics for years, you really ought ot notice it. It is damning evidence of either (a) being in a deep state of denial, or (b) having a really, really bad marital relationship. Either way, McCain is one out-of-touch dude.

Posted by: Renu1 | October 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA WANTS TO HELP KIDS IN COLLEGE
MCCAIN-NOT SO MUCH

OBAMA WANTS TO GIVE 95% OF FAMILIES A TAX CUT (A BREAK!!!)
MCCAIN- WANTS TO HELP JOE THE FRAUD AND THE OTHER 5% BELIEVE THEY ARE EQUALS AND HE REALLY GIVES A NUT ABOUT THEM

OBAMA WANTS TO ATTEMPT TO HAVE FREE HEALTHCARE OR AFFORDABLE CARE FOR EVERYONE
MCCAIN- WANST TO GIVE U A CREDIT AND GIVE UR INS CO THE CHANCE TO DROP YOU IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT

OBAMA HAS SPARKED SO MANY PPL'S INTEREST WHO DONT GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS BC WE BELIEVE IN HIM
MCCAIN- HAS PPL RUNNING TO THE POLLS SO THAT HE (MCCAIN) DOESNT F OUR COUNTRY UP EVEN MORE

THE ONLY PPL WHO ARE ANTI ABORTION ARE THE ONES WHO CAN AFFORD TO HAVE SLIP-UPS AND DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE REAL STUFF;HEALTHCARE, SINGLE PARENTS WHO END UP AS GRANDPARENTS, SIBLINGS HAVING TO HELP OUT AND T5AKE ON A NEW RESPONSIBILITY, DROPPING OUT TO CARE FOR THE CHILD- I WANT TO HEAR TEH REAL PROBLEMS WITH TEENAGE PREGNANCY AND NOT THE BS- IF THIS WAS IN A DIFFERENT ERA IN LIFE PALIN WOULD BE STONED

Posted by: ccsoto | October 25, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN: B--- BOY FOR VIETNAM

PALIN: GRANDMA WITH PREGNANT DAUGHTER WHO JUST SPENT OVER 100K SHOPPING?

HOW MUCH DID YOU MAKE HIS YEAR?

Posted by: ccsoto | October 25, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse
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Her son-in-law to be just dropped out of high school and had to get a job to take care of the trash daughter. Maybe she can help them out so he doesn't have to be another uneducated drunk that are so common in Alaska.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 25, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN: B--- BOY FOR VIETNAM

PALIN: GRANDMA WITH PREGNANT DAUGHTER WHO JUST SPENT OVER 100K SHOPPING?

HOW MUCH DID YOU MAKE HIS YEAR?

Posted by: ccsoto | October 25, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse


MCCAINS MENTALLY UNSTABLE BROTHER. DOES IT RUN IN THE FAMILY?


WASHINGTON — First there was Joe the Plumber. Is Joe the Hothead next?

Joe McCain said Friday he'll withdraw from campaign activities for his brother, GOP presidential nominee John McCain, after calling 911 to angrily complain about traffic. Joe McCain has apologized for making the call.

The candidate's younger brother, who lives in Alexandria, Va., told Washington radio station WTOP he was returning from a campaign event in Philadelphia around 2 a.m. on Oct. 18 when he got stuck in traffic on Interstate 495 at the Wilson Bridge. Police say the call was made about 1:30 a.m. Oct. 21.

Frustrated because of the traffic, Joe McCain called 911 to find out what was going on. The operator asked him to "state your emergency."

"Well, it's not an emergency, but do you know why on one side at the damn drawbridge of 95 traffic is stopped for 15 minutes and yet traffic's coming the other way?" Joe McCain said.

The operator asked him if he was calling 911 to complain about traffic. McCain then uttered an expletive and hung up the phone.

McCain told WTOP that he thought his cell phone was on mute.

After hanging up with 911, McCain said he called Alexandria police to ask them about the traffic on the bridge and got a similar reaction.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 25, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Check out this video of a Male McCain employee threatening a female journalist:

http://liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccain-campaign-employee-menaces-woman.html

Posted by: Snakeheader | October 25, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON — Sen. Joe Lieberman on Friday skirted a question on whether vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is ready from day one to be president, saying "thank God" she won't have to be.

Lieberman, I-Conn., who has helped prep the Alaska governor on foreign policy issues, said his pal and GOP presidential nominee, John McCain, is in good health.

"Thank God, she's not gonna have to be president from day one, because McCain's going to be alive and well," Lieberman said in a conference call with reporters.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 25, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Schedule, 10/29

Obama

Message of Hope, every network, expected audience: 100 million

Mac

Growling and making faces, no network coverage, Joe's Diner, Dayton, OH Audience: Maybelle, Cletus, Crazy Bill, Miss Bee, the foreign guy at the 7/11, Emma, Goober, Colonel Phil ('cept he's not a real colonel, jus' a colonel of our "militia"), Stinky, and Otis ('ceptin' Otis said he's leavin' right after he has his country-fried steak)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Too little, too late. The McCain Campaign: the Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight.

Posted by: soonerthought | October 25, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"To truly build momentum, McCain needs to find a way to feel voters' pain on the economy -- and fast."

He has failed to do that for too long, now. It mystifies me that McCain felt (and apparently still feels) that attacking Obama is a constructive strategy to get elected during time of historic economic dislocation and fear. If there was any greater way to demonstrate the difference between an inspiring leader during time of fear and a communications-impaired leader, I don't know what that would be. McCain's messages of personal attack were never the way to react to this economic crisis.

McCain has been so off-base for weeks now that even I, who am an experience-is-crucial voter and a Clinton holdout, believe that Obama is the better choice. McCain has been totally impotent and dysfunctional in the leadership department.

In part, his dysfunctional campaign in the past few weeks is what emerged after what appears to be his being totally unmanned and caught off guard by the economic crisis. And that is his other fatal flaw: how can any intelligent leader or candidate this year have been caught flat-footed by a market crash and deleveraging and credit freeze, when it has been looming and building all year?

There are so many fatal flaws McCain has demonstrated in the past few weeks that there really is no point to his campaign anymore.

"Obama for President"

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 25, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

jdunph1: I'm not sure if you were referring to me in your post.

I think it will be an early night with an Obama victory in Virginia and Pennsyslvania.

I don't think Mac will win either.

:-)

10 more days!!

Posted by: toritto | October 25, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Submitted to the Pulitzer Prize Committee for its consideration, Mr. Tim Dickinson's ground breaking article on the life and times of Mac:


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

John McCain has been acting erratically ever since he selected Palin for his running mate. When the economy failed his behavior became bizarre. Stresses on any president in the next few years are going to be extreme . They will be fatal for someone in McCain's health and mental state. When he steps down we will then inherit his Palin fiasco.

Now Colin Powell has recognized these facts and has endorsed Obama as being a cool-headed and logical leader who is more fit for the presidency.

Kipling said it best:

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!


He was talking about men like Obama.


Posted by: seemstome | October 25, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

This guy thinks McCain is going to win Virginia. Unbelievable. A perfect example of someone so out of touch with reality that the looks on the faces of people like him in 10 days will be priceless.

Posted by: jdunph1 | October 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

It will be an early election night if Pennsylvania and Virginia go for Obama.

The East Coast could decide it beofre the polls close in California. Virginia polls close at 7 PM.

....landslides don't give bloviators much room for BS....

Posted by: toritto | October 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"37thandOSt", you're sure quick to call out everyone's bogus credentials.

For those not familiar with that street address, it's the main intersection of Georgetown University.

So what are you, "37thandOSt," the President of Georgetown University? Or one of those wingnuts who sleep on the sidewalk of 37th and O St and harangue passersby with rants about "Obama is is Socialist" or "Obama is a Muslim"?

Posted by: andym108 | October 25, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Alley, of the 16 major polls averaged in the Real Clear Politics poll of polls (at 7.9 for O at present, the highest pt. ever), all but one show O ahead at or greater than the margin of error. The one outlier poll, the AP poll, has been trashed and discredited by every numbers person in the country, including the last word on polls, "Numbers" Nate Silver.

But at this point, polls are beside the point: Virginia, we have early voting -- VOTE BEFORE NOV. 4. LET'S END THIS BEFORE THE ELECTION NIGHT BLOVIATORS HAVE TIME TO MESS IT UP!
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Posted by 37and0 alley: "The pollsters are playing fast-and-loose with the demographics of these polls - examine the internals of the age groups and the ethnic groups and you can see for yourself. McCain is either tied or within 3 points in the key swing states - McCain is going to win."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

This article is well done - thanks - and we agree that people look for something special. In this case Obama has made the case that he understands the people, he understands the problems facing the next President - yet he remains calm and collected. There is something behind the calm. ...................


http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/24/the-root-of-obamas-calm-is-humility/

Posted by: glclark4750 | October 25, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

To all those who still want to vote for McCain ticket, McCain is not running to serve the country nor you, but he wants to serve himself. He was a Bush anatagonist in 2000. After being beaten by Bush through malicious propaganda, he embraced Bush. He even embraced right extremes. He is so desperate to win that he chose an unqulaified Palin putting his interest ahead of country's interest. He has no policy prescription, does not understand economics and wants to support all those people making 250000 or more, but not little people like you and me who make considerably less than a quarter million per year. The last 8 years of Republican control has given us record deficit, record expansion of Govt, record mismanagement, record gifts to rich people through targeted tax cuts and lack of oversight, and more than 4000 dead Americans on a false pretext. It is time to send all republicans including McCain and Palin to pasture.

Posted by: MisraSan | October 25, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

When we beat the Clintons, it was close, but after New Hampshire, there were no surprises in the sense that people voted as the polls said they would.

But at the time, trolls like svreader were making the same line of argument as the people like JakeD, shedhair and 37th&O.
They simply would not believe what was happening. They invoked MSM conspiracies and etc. They looked inside their cocoon and all they saw was support for the Clintons, ergo, Obama's support must not exist.

But it doesn't matter, lots of us already voted and in just a few days, either I will be shocked and horrified by another RNC reign of terror....or you McCain/Palin people will be shocked and horrified by a black man (who snorted cocaine to boot!) and wife living in the East wing, taking hold of the most concentrated seat of power in the world. I wonder who is more frightened of losing, you or I?

Posted by: shrink2 | October 25, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Newsweek: O up 13.

End of week shout outs.

1. Tim Dickinson, for writing the definitive cradle-to-present profile of Mac, with much pretty much every sentence fact-checked and sourced, while the Post and others chose to pedal fiction. The Pulitzer is already polished and ready for delivery to Mr. Dickinson.
2. O
3. O's grandmother
4. Pittsburgh police force, for exposing Mac's campaigner's evil racist hoax before it turned tragic for everyone.
5. General Colin Luther Powell, for stepping up (better late than never) when his country needed him to provide an un-heard-of 5 pt. O bounce.
6. Joy Behar, for stepping up and speaking out when so-called journalists refused to
7. Maureen Dowd, for proving twice a week why your Pulitzer was well deserved.
8. The Black guy who sets up the stage at Mac/Palin hate rallies, for surviving at the end of the rallies when sometimes, no, usually, no, pretty much always, the Yahoos point you out, run you down, and then beat the snot out of you...allegedly. Stay strong, my brother.
9. Charley James of laprogressive.com, for being the only journalist who thought of going to Alaska, interviewing real Alaskans, and breaking "S-mbo"-gate.
10. Kathleen Parker, for the Post column explaining why Mac picked Palin.
11. Dean Smith, well, for being Dean Smith.

Shout downs.

1. Ms. Todd (and whatever fools put you up to it, allegedly), for making up a racist story that put at risk hundreds of black males in the Pgh. area and threatened to affect a presidential race.
2. Drudge, for peddling the Todd hoax and risking lives.
3. IBD and AP polls, for having us believe 80 percent of the country's 18 year olds support a grumpy 80-year-old candidate who hates kids, allegedly.
4. The designated fool at Mac/Palin hate rallies who yells some racial slur or obscenity to incite his liquored-up peer group.
5. "The Dean," for three decades of non-reporting and bloviating, and, well, for being the Dean. Tut. Tut.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

From reading the post I get the impression I may be the only one who actually knows a plumber. Numerous plumbers use "apprentices" or helpers that are in training to do their work. It is quite common in all the trades. Matter of fact many times the plumber who works at your house is completely unlicensed but works under the owners license. He could have 20 years experience but still be unlicensed.

Joe obviously aspires to a higher income by virtue of buying a company which requires that you be a licensed plumber.

Shock of shocks Joe, a single father, is behind on a tax bill, which is common when other bills have to be paid.

Your class biases are showing here, which is how Obammites play the class card. Mccain obviously knows more about working people than the Democrats.

Posted by: shedhair | October 25, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

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TO ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE COMPLETELY INSANE:


Virginia is filled with Military and former Military people - plus the southwest corner is all for McCain - you are completely out of your minds if you believe that Obama is going to win Virginia

Sorry

The media is drinking some kool-aid to put out the kind of stuff they have.

I seriously would like to know where these polls are coming from.

The pollsters are playing fast-and-loose with the demographics of these polls - examine the internals of the age groups and the ethnic groups and you can see for yourself. McCain is either tied or within 3 points in the key swing states - McCain is going to win.


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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 25, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse


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Broadwayjoe

You sound like a paid Obama blogger - who all pretend to be in different states or pretend to be in various professions.


I don't believe you on Broadway in New York City or on a Broadway anywhere - please tell us the truth that you are at Obama headquarters in Chicago.


I challenge all the paid Obama staff bloggers to STOP DECEIVING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND STOP LYING TO AMERICA and simply identify yourselves as Obama staff bloggers who are paid to lie.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 25, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

StuckinPhilly


You sound like a paid Obama blogger - who all pretend to be in different states or pretend to be in various professions.


I don't believe you are a small business owner.


I challenge all the paid Obama staff bloggers to STOP DECEIVING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND STOP LYING TO AMERICA and simply identify yourselves as Obama staff bloggers who are paid to lie.

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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 25, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

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The Polls are wrong it is that simple. Every discussion we have had with people on the ground the topic has come up - where are the pollsters supposedly finding all these Obama supporters ???


Obama should be concerned.


I simply can not believe that this nation would vote for an inexperienced person who has no economic or business experience except for buying cocaine.


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Posted by: 37thandOSt | October 25, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm a small business owner. And I don't really care about the tax increase. Sound leadershipand a balanced budget (which is only possible without war, so diplomacy) is more important to me. Many small businesses (mine included) have their profits flucuate by a lot more than 3% per year.

My business is much more effected by poor immigration policy. We sell to chemists, many of whom are phd immigrants. Even their large company employers have been unable to get enough visas, so these research chemistry jobs now have to get shipped overseas.

Anyhow, if your small business makes more than 250k in profit, than you may want to consider becoming an s-corp anyhow (lot of other reasons outside of just taxes) in which case it's really not clear how your taxes would be effected by the different plans. It would be case-by-case for each business.

Posted by: StuckInPhilly | October 25, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

EARLY VOTING!

In Noth Carolina, more people have already voted (through early-voting) than the total number who voted in the 2004 race. Virginia, let's catch up. Our state can put this to an end BEFORE Nov. 4.
Let America go to bed early on Tuesday night.

Stay thirsty, my friends, er, and "fellow prisoners"...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

A REPUBLICAN HALLOWEEN TRADITION
THE OCTOBER SURPRISE

Race innuendos, terrorist stew
More Reverend Wright evil brew
No money left, do the sums
But something wicked this way comes

Palin opens her crooked mouth
To fan the hatred in the south
‘Kill him’ blurts from drunken gums
When something wicked this way comes

October surprise will tell the tale
Will Evil win or will it fail?
Karl Rove schemes with his vile chums
And something wicked this way comes

McCain has shown that there is nothing that he will not do,
nothing he will not say to get elected.
A man of Honor?

Corporations First, Country Last.


Posted by: seemstome | October 25, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

MCCAIN'S OWN WORDS IN 2000 - HE'S A SOFT SOCIALIST FLIP-FLOPPER

STUDENT: Why is it that someone like my father who goes to school for 13 years gets penalized in a huge tax bracket because he's a doctor. Why is that - why does he have to pay higher taxes than everybody else? Just because he makes more money. How is that fair?
MCCAIN: I think you're questioning, questioning the fundamentals of a progressive tax system where people who make more money pay more in taxes than a flat across the board percentage. I think it's to some degree because we feel obviously that wealthy people can afford more. We have over the years beginning with John F. Kennedy reduced some of those marginal tax rates to make them less onerous. I believe that when you really look at the tax code the very wealthy because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes really don't pay as much as you think they do, when you just look at the percentages. And I think middle income Americans, working Americans, who when you count in payroll taxes, sales taxes, mortgage -- all of the, all of the taxes that working Americans pay -- I think you would also think that they also deserve very significant relief.
At that point host Chris Matthews asked for members of the audience to applaud if they support wealthier people paying a higher percentage of their incomes; there was loud applause.
STUDENT: I still don't see how that's fair...aren't we getting closer and closer to Socialism and stuff...?
MCCAIN: Look, here's what I really believe: That when you are, when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more. But at the same time it shouldn't be totally out of proportion.
McCain added that the "first people who deserve a tax cut are working Americans...and they're the ones I would support tax cuts for first."

WHO IS THE REAL JOHN MCCAIN?
FLIP - “we feel obviously that wealthy people can afford more (taxes)”
FLOP- “spreading the wealth is just socialism”

Posted by: seemstome | October 25, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I am a medical doctor and I make more than $250g a year. I have been donating money to the Obama campaign since late '07. And Mr. Cannula, I employ people too.

McCain Palin are wrong for this country and I am willing to pay a little more taxes to avoid anoth four years of the RNC in control of the executive branch of government.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 25, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Amazing that the "Joe" attack angle has essentially done nothing to bolster McCain's cred as a "man of the people." He will be the first GOP nominee in this decade not to successfully convince working-class and middle-class voters that his Dem opponent is a snooty liberal who only talks down to the working man.

And maybe voters don;t mind Obama's "spread the wealth" approach because, after all, they will be getting more cash.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse
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Last night they tried to paint Mrs. Mccain as a "CONCERNED SMALL BUSINESS WOMAN". Her company last year made 200 million in profits. Do they even listen to themselves?

Posted by: popasmoke | October 25, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

The ultimate irony when it comes to the two parties on the economy is that Republicans' calling card on the economy throughout the 20th century was on being the party which emphasized fiscal conservatism, budget balancing. During the Conservative era which began with Reagan and is now coming to an end, Republicans have abandoned fiscal prudence for tax cuts for the wealthy---the old Reagan "trickle-down" economics theory. This is how Bush and the former Republican Congress plunged the Republican party into the abyss. Rather than attempting to continue on the path Clinton established with balanced budgets, Bush and the Republican Congresses of the early 21st century chose to enact enormous tax cuts, which have, along with the exorbitant expenditures on the Iraq War, contributed to record budget deficits and spiraling record national debt under Republicans. The Republican Party has perhaps forever damaged it's reputation. It's no longer the party of fiscal prudence. They have adopted the motto of "Deficits be Damned----Tax Cuts are to be Exalted."

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 25, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Feeling America's Biggest Employers' Pain (Small Business)


"Well, John McCain must have once been a socialist, because it turns out that for years he supported higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for lower taxes on the middle-class."
Drain You

That's very nice to know: his CURRENT tax poicy supports a tax cut for the middle class!- WHEN did he support HIGHER TAXES ON THE WEALTHY TO ISSUE WELFARE IN THE FORM OF "TAX CREDITS" to those who currently pay NO federal income tax?

Again, I'll observe Shakespeare was correct- What's In a Name?
YOUR name says it all "DRAIN YOU"- WAIT, is this OBAMA himself writing?, for certainly he wishes to drain the employers of this country by draining profit from those small businesses that employ people to give welfare check/tax credits to those who wish to be employed...encouraging unemployment and discouraging initiative (just the opposite of Bill Clinton's Welfare Reform Initiatives, but In Keeping with Karl Marx's)

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need"
K Marx 1875
B Obama 2008

Drain me? No Drain You!

2 Lies Constantly Told about
Obama's Tax Poicy-

1. Same as Clinton's- Nope, Bill said in 1988 that Raising the Cap on Payroll Taxes was "REGRESSIVE" (ouch)- which is exactly what Obama wants to do!

2. 98% of small businesses make less than 250K- ONLY if one counts everyone selling used license plates on EBAY- A Much Larger Percentage of Small businesses that EMPLOY (AND WILL LAY OFF) PEOPLE make over 250K a year.


My small business grossed many times Obama's glass ceiling last year and employed one more person this year than it will employ next year if my taxes are raised by 3% PLUS 15.65% (payroll cap elimination) as Obama would do!

So, if Obama's elected, add my small business and others like it to the big businesses already laying off this quarter- Yahoo, Ebay, Sprint, Alcoa,Chrysler, etc.
Keep those tax rates rising on employers Obama....even Bill Clinton called raising the payroll cap "Regressive"...that's what Obama's tax policy is Bill

Posted by: thecannula | October 25, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are at an inherent disadvantage on this score of "feeling the pain of the average voter" or average citizen. As the party of corporate interests, the party of the rich, Republicans are historically inept at connecting with the average voter on economic issues. This ineptitude is magnified by the fact that Republicans are typically poor at creating economic growth, as has been the case over the past eight years, when economic problems have been widespread under a Republican administration.

Republicans like to focus on the narrow issue of taxes because that appeals to their wealthy base. But average folks are far more concerned with jobs and economic security, which is not something most Republicans understand well or are able to communicate well.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Amazing that the "Joe" attack angle has essentially done nothing to bolster McCain's cred as a "man of the people." He will be the first GOP nominee in this decade not to successfully convince working-class and middle-class voters that his Dem opponent is a snooty liberal who only talks down to the working man.

And maybe voters don;t mind Obama's "spread the wealth" approach because, after all, they will be getting more cash.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

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