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The Clintons -- and their relationship with the nominee -- could end up being the dominant storyline at the convention. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)

DENVER -- As the Democratic National Convention opens officially today, talk has turned -- as it inevitably does these days -- to the Clintons and how their relationship with soon-to-be-nominee Barack Obama will impact the overall message coming out of Denver this week.

What has become clear over the past few weeks and has crystallized over the last few days is that tensions remain between the two camps -- and those tensions are largely centered on former President Bill Clinton and his belief that he and his administration were unfairly maligned by Obama during the primary process. (Politico's John F. Harris and Mike Allen penned a piece detailing the riff last night.)

"There is still work to do on the Bill Clinton front," writes Howard Wolfson, a former senior adviser to Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential bid, in a New Republic piece entitled "Smothering the Hatchet." "He feels like the Obama campaign ran against and systematically dismissed his administration's accomplishments. And he feels like he was painted as a racist during the primary process."

The Fix spoke this morning to another source familiar with the Clintons' thinking who echoed Wolfson's sentiment.

"Obama ran a campaign that in many ways repudiated the Clinton presidency and often signals that he would make different choices than the ones Bill Clinton made," said the source. "The net result of that is to raise questions about the Clinton legacy. And the Clintons -- especially Bill Clinton -- is very sensitive to his legacy and how it is being shaped."

Polling seems to suggest that the rift is deeper than simply a clash of personalities. In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, roughly two thirds of self-identified supporters of Hillary Clinton in the primary are now backing Obama while 27 percent say they will vote for John McCain in the fall. A survey done last week for NBC and the Wall Street Journal showed an even clearer divide with only 52 percent of Clinton backers siding with Obama in the general election.

Those numbers present Obama and his campaign team with a difficult challenge this week.

On the one hand, the Illinois senator must find a way to bring some of those wayward Democrats home if he wants to win in the fall. While there are more self-identifying Democrats than self-identifying Republicans in the country at-large right now, Obama can't afford to lose one-third of the party base either to McCain or a non-vote.

On the other, Obama's decision to run against the Clinton legacy of hyper-partisanship and politicization worked in the primaries. His call for a new brand of politics touched a cord with voters not just wary of the eight year of George W. Bush but even many sick of the relentless back and forth between the two parties (and occasionally even within the Democratic party) that characterized the Clinton Administration. To then use his speech this week to wrap his arms around Bill Clinton would be seen by some within Obama's base as a repudiation of everything he ran on in the primary.

The other issue for Obama is that healing the wounds of the primary is not entirely in his control. Even if he finds a way to, as Wolfson suggests, "specifically praise the accomplishments of the Clinton presidency in a line or two during his speech on Thursday," there are real questions over whether that would be enough.

Much depends on Bill Clinton's speech on Wednesday night. Will the former President go the magnanimous route, putting past problems behind him and warmly embracing Obama? Or will he leave wiggle room in the speech that keen political observers will take as a sign that his support for the Illinois senator is tepid rather than white hot?

The Fix -- and the rest of the political world -- will be watching.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 25, 2008; 11:09 AM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008  
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What's wrong with the media and Americans? We can’t hide behind the bus carrying Obama’s associations.
Where is Reverend Wright? Where’s Jessie Jackson? Where is Sharpton?

Did all of us ignore the fact that Obama mentored with an anti American, radical, racist: Reverend Wright.

This is an introduction to a President?

Could you just imagine if McCain was friends and mentored with the KKK?

Wake up America.

Where is the reporting?

Obama’s past associations is an introduction and a clear picture of Obama's character.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

The reason many Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama is because they are embarrassed of him, his life, his unfair tactics and his beliefs. And they still don't know all about him.

1. They don't want a candidate that has been in a twenty year relationship with Reverend Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ.

2. They don’t’ want a candidate that has a twenty year relationship with Father Pflaeger and refers to him as his compass in life

3. They don’t want a candidate that went to a church that supports Louis Farrakhan, an anti Semitic racist, that has led a rally of 20,000 Nation of Islam members to support Obama in Chicago

4. They don't want to defend Black Liberation theology.

5. They don’t want a candidate that lies about his relationship with Tony Rezko, the Syrian Criminal that sold his property to Obama and supported his campaign.

6. They don't want a candidate that could work with a domestic terrorist, William Ayers.

7. They don’t want a candidate that Hamas supports.

8. They don’t want a candidate that Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam support

9. They don’t want a candidate that has a wife that has just now realized she was proud of our country.

10. They don’t want a candidate that denies Florida and Michigan their voices

11. They don’t want a candidate that mentions 57 states in his speeches. 50 states in the USA and 57 states in the Nation of Islam (IOC website)

12. They don’t want a candidate that fights unfair and hyjacks Michigan delegate votes from his opponent.

13. They don't want a candidate that is inexperienced, especially dealing with military issues.

14. They don’t want a candidate that considers it a loss to not to be able to attend his anti American, racist Church.

15. They don’t want a candidate that has a “non practicing” Muslim father, but avoids the entire discussion of his father.

16. They don’t’ want a candidate that won’t debate

17. They don’t’ want a candidate that misleads the youth with an ‘Obama girl and her behind in their face”

18. They don’t want a candidate that says he’s an African American and missed the MLK Remembrance Day and the Louisiana Black Caucus meeting

19. They don’t want a candidate that enjoys laughing at sexism.

20. They don't want a candidate that switches his position on gun control, FISA, the war in Iraq and abortion issues.

21. They don't want a candidate that showcases his daughters on TV shows.

22. They don’t’ want a candidate that has poor judgment..

23. They don’t' want a candidate named; Barack Hussein Obama

24. He is embarrassing.

25. He scares them to death.

Posted by: Al from NJ | August 26, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

The Clinton's have allowed the Republicans to use them since way back in the primaries when they infiltrated her camp to try to help her to win so she would be an easy defeat for them in the general.

The Clinton's are getting EXACTLY what they deserve for their complacency with the Republicans.

As far as my family and I are concerned, the clinton name might as well be dirt.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | August 26, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

AHHH!!

If this is the angriest the Republicans can get, wait until we rip-tear into their convention next week!

Paybacks are a M---r!

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | August 26, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

AHHH!!

If this is the angriest the Republicans can get, wait until we rip-tear into their convention next week!

Paybacks are a M---r!

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | August 26, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

AHHH!!

If this is the angriest the Republicans can get, wait until we rip-tear into their convention next week!

Paybacks are a M---r!

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | August 26, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

Good grief, you bitter hillary supporters are nuts. You clearly never supported her if you want to vote for Mccain now (think about it, if you know how).

Or Mccain is getting desperate and sending his 5 tech-savvy staffers out to troll. heh.

Posted by: OmarS | August 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

NotaFan, no sense in doing a point by point rebuttal to a hate rant.

O's qualifications are well documented on wikipedia, campaign literature, etc. To say he's not ready or doesn't know his place is just sad.

You expose yourself when you say the race charge is without basis: the race-based campaigning of HRC is well documented. It's kind of like saying, I like Imus when he demeans AAs 'cause he's just joking. You totally expose yourself when you try to defend Ferraro, whose made repeated biased comments. Even HRC didn't try to defend her.

The facts: The Atlantic article reports the HRC campaign's goal was to push the "multicultural" theme, a well-known hate group code word. Remember HRC's famous line, paraphrased: O can't win the votes of hard working people, you know, white people. Almost all the HRC campaigning in the Southern and Appalachian states was race-based. Not to mention HRC supporters trashing his headquarters and making racist calls to his phone bank (O ordered staff not to comment on or respond to the ugliness). And then there was HRC publicly playing the RFK/a-card, one of the lowest, ugliest moments in American political history. Want more schooling? Pay a call to senior Congressman Clyburn who tried without success to get Bill and Hill to cut out the race-baiting. NotAFan, I'm not a fan...of you.
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From NotAFan,

"In the US, racism is one of those charges that taints the accused no matter how innocent they might be, kind of like witchcraft did in the 1600's. It doesn't matter what the facts are. All you have to do is be accused of it publicly and then you're branded a racist in public opinion. I think what was truly beyond the pale in this election was the character assasination of the Clintons, their supporters, and former party luminaries like Geraldine Ferraro by either insinuating, suggesting, or outright accusing them of racism."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I am disgusted by the selfish acts of the Clintons. I regret my votes for Bill now. Well, let Clintons defeat Obama and see their fans send their daughters to other countries for legal abortion.

Posted by: Ben | August 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Where do we start, intcamd1?

First, in every primary between two competitive candidates, the loser will get 15-18 million votes. After the primary season, rational losing candidates then either exit the stage or they hold hands with the winner and pledge unconditional support. But not HRC, who amassed 25 million in debt to continue to campaign against O after she lost, after she lost --unprecedented madness.

Second, the 18 million for HRC is a media fiction, a fallacy. A significant portion of those folks were mischief makers from Limbaugh's Operation Chaos or were simply, well, bigots. The rest were rational normal good-hearted people who will turn to O if they like his policies which are the same as HRC's mostly.

Third, the polling on how many HRC supporters will turn to BO is flawed. The polling questions are provocative so the respondents say they'll vote for Mac to give the pollster what he wants, controversy.

Fourth, the polls are inaccurate in measuring O's support because they concentrate on calling land phones whereas much of O's base uses cell phones exclusively (e.g., AA's, professionals, young people, the hep and the hip, and so on).

Fifth, as other posters have commented, I don't think for a minute that you, scrivener, or Asper"Girl" are legitimate HRC supporters. If you all were, you'd realize that without an O win in 2008, an HRC win in 2012, 2016, 2020, or...no, beyond that the pants suit would be a bit frayed...would be impossible. As it is now, the minority media suggest her support among AAs, aside from the old guy on the rice box, is about 0%. It's not much higher among young people and progressives. Your encouraging her self-absorbed antics undermining O are not helping her, seriously.
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"Posted by: intcamd1 | August 25, 2008 8:26 PM
WylieD,

You are so right. Actually, Barrack went a step further, he compared Clinton to Nixon. That IL dude is a true creep.

To the fool called Broadway Hoe, what a useless rant?! I would like to see how your empty suit hero wins anything w/o the support of CLinton supporters, who counted to 18mil in the primaries, just a tad more than your man got, even with the help of all his pimpy media pals."

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 25, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm a former Hillary supporter who, as of right now, will not be voting for Obama. I think this article (and some of the posts from Obama supporters above), once again, adds to the rift rather than helps it in any way to heal.

Rather than examining why former Clinton supporters feel upset or acknowledging that there are some very valid reasons for the chasm, the storyline is basically being reduced to the more scintillating notion that somehow the Clintons or their supposed "egos" are to blame for Obama's current poor showing or once again, Obama isn't doing better because of all of those ignorant, uneducated, and racist white folks out there.

I mean what easy scapegoats to target and covers to hide behind.

Here's a list of some of the top reasons why I didn't support Obama in the primary and still don't:

1. His resounding lack of experience. Up to today, Obama has spent more time running for national office than serving in national office

2. The arrogance and lack of judgement that I find in Obama (or anyone) thinking that they're ready to be president after being in the senate (or any type of national office) for only 1-1/2 years when they started running

3. The vagueness of his change message and his past voting record. Yeah, everyone wants change, I want change, but what kind of change? How will it be brought about? As a Project Manager in my professional life, I've seen over and over again that the devil is always in the details. It's not the overall idea or intention that makes a project successful, it's the skill in execution

4. The absolute hypocrisy of his entire campaign. All through the primaries he would lamblast Hillary for "the old kind of politics", centrist views, and supposed "negativity" as if everything she did was just beyond the pale. What was upsetting then as it is now is that he would employ the very same negative tactics and lurch to the center now that the primaries are over, all the while sanctimoniously pretending to represent the "new kind of politics" It makes you wonder what that is? To me, he's the "throw the kitchen sink" candidate. He's the "say anything do anything" candidate. At least Hillary's didn't pretend to be anything she isn't. She made no bones about being tough as nails, knowing how to play the Washington game, and having centrist views. It's no bait-and-switch with her.

5. His repudiation and minimization of the Clinton years, especially by someone with such pitifully little accomplishments of his own. Some of Obama's supporters may be too young to remember, but I lived through the Clinton years. They were some pretty good years.

5. His supporters and the media characterizing all non-believers as somehow poor, white, old, uneducated, rural, and racist hicks, as if only ignorance was the only thing standing in the way of us poor benighted souls from seeing the light. Well, me and many of the Clinton supporters I know are none of those things. I'm a thirtysomething double-minority living in San Francisco with a Master's Degree and a high income white-collar professional job. It's not ignorance that keeps me or many of my friends away, instead it's thinking things through. We're not fooled by the shiny attractive packaging.

6. If unity of the party was so important to Obama, why did he decide to pit one minority group against another in the first place? The is the same hypocrisy again. During the race, he kept calling for Hillary to drop-out "to not split the party" so why did he not wait until he was more experienced and seasoned to be a more compelling candidate. Why the rush, especially since it would have been a historic election otherwise too. Why make it a Sophie's choice between two minority groups where one would have to lose out?

7. Plain and simple race-bating. I used to live in DC and was very politically active. As a double-minority, I know how the race card can be played. His campaign was actually the one that first raised the specter of race-politics after his loss in NH. In the US, racism is one of those charges that taints the accused no matter how innocent they might be, kind of like witchcraft did in the 1600's. It doesn't matter what the facts are. All you have to do is be accused of it publicly and then you're branded a racist in public opinion. I think what was truly beyond the pale in this election was the character assasination of the Clintons, their supporters, and former party luminaries like Geraldine Ferraro by either insinuating, suggesting, or outright accusing them of racism.

8. The rampant favoritism in the media and DNC. I still have images of Chris Matthews laughing until spit was coming out of his mouth over why Hillary would continue running (even after her PA turnaround) as if it was the most preposterous thing he has ever heard. Not only was it unprofessional and biased, it was insulting to watch. That night, I couldn't wait until OH & TX so he would get a big slap in the face when she won again.

9. The notion that former Clinton supporters would somehow just fall in line and do what they're told once Obama's nominated, with little effort by him to address the issues that turned us off him in the first place. Are we supposed to just shut-up and do what we're told? Is that the "new kind of politics"? I think support has to be actively won, not expected.

I was an Obama fan when he first entered the senate. I wish he could have spent a few years longer building his resume in the senate, developing a solid voting record and experience and then ran as a charismatic candidate who had solid substance and experience too. I still wonder, why did he rush? That to me speaks volumes of his inexperience, arrogance, and lack of judgement.

Posted by: NotAFan | August 25, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Wait just a minute! What man desecrated the Oval office by needing and encouraging an explicit sexual act in it? Please people. Get things in perspective! Bill, with all of his "smarts" needs a huge dose of maturity. It might be too late.

A little old grandma in Ohio.

Posted by: Karen L. Brown | August 25, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

"The narcissism, lack of realistic reference framework and totally trashy trashing of the only living successful Democratic president is, well, Ghetto.

The behavior of the Obamas is so self-aggrandizing and tribal. They're just unacceptable."

Jesus, Christ. Is there anyone who is against Obama who ISN'T a flamboyant racist?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

100% CORRECT ANALYSIS PAUL TAYLOR!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

WylieD,

You are so right. Actually, Barrack went a step further, he compared Clinton to Nixon. That IL dude is a true creep.

To the fool called Broadway Hoe, what a useless rant?! I would like to see how your empty suit hero wins anything w/o the support of CLinton supporters, who counted to 18mil in the primaries, just a tad more than your man got, even with the help of all his pimpy media pals.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

More Placating? Do the trolls understand, if there's no Obama 08, there's no Hillary 2012, 2016, or 2020? Certainly, now HRC's reelection to the Senate is not a certainty.

Her months of narcissistic, look-at-me antics have alienated the Dem power structure, party elders, fundraisers, fellow Senators (remember she is undermining two high-profile sitting Senators, O and Joe), AAs (about 4% standing, if that much, in that community), progressives, and young people. A Northeast Dem can't be elected dogcatcher much less President without those supporters.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama, it used to be that you were unqualified and inexperienced.

More lately, though, it's just too much self-aggrandizing, unrealistic hype.

That and there really is nothing meaningful there under the surface, nothing specific or substantive.

You're just wrong, on so many levels.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Some moron wrote: "I figure Bill Clinton is the only President we've had in recent time who didn't actually front for a criminal organization."

You're right! Clinton just gave pardons to all the drug dealers but he never fronted for them.

Posted by: ALLTOO | August 25, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama was blatantly disrespectful to the Clintons while romancing the Kennedy dynasty.

Obama supporters were blatantly hateful of Hillary Clinton and to women in general. Just read the blogs here.

These two factors have made me a content and confident McCain Democrat. If the Democratic party continues to demean women with their "shut up and vote" tactics, it could be a permananent break.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

>>WylieD wrote: "Other than Obama, what candidate has ever attacked a popular former president from his own party?"

And the Obamas have absolutely no cognitive glimmer that what they have done is inappropriate or unusual.

They trash and stomp on some important white guy, and in their minds they're just putting someone standing in the way of history in his place.

The narcissism, lack of realistic reference framework and totally trashy trashing of the only living successful Democratic president is, well, Ghetto.

The behavior of the Obamas is so self-aggrandizing and tribal. They're just unacceptable.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I figure Bill Clinton is the only President we've had in recent time who didn't actually front for a criminal organization.

Posted by: Plouffe Savage, Jr. | August 25, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous wrote:

The "I Love Hillary" angle is just a pose.
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I'd like to say the "I hate Hillary" angle is just a pose, too, but for whatever reason, she and Bill really get under the skin of certain demographics, namely the republicans, and some of the Obama supporters.

Really weird.

I'm just curious as to what else they have in common, other than "noun + verb, adjective, Hillary."

Posted by: Plouffe Savage, Jr. | August 25, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

What you don't know is how many people who were supporting Hillary were basically Republicans who were supporting her simply because she is a women. I don't know and neither do you. If Hillary and Bill hit a home run for Obama what will you say then? Will you continue to dredge up comments from the hard fought primaries? My guess is you will try to stir things up to keep this controversy alive because it is easier to write about this gossip than talk about the tough issues facing the country.

Posted by: cdgainesville | August 25, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

To Spring Rain:

All those pictures you've been seeing of Bill Clinton on your many travels around the world are actually Wanted Posters. Did you know that?

Posted by: HB | August 25, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

BILL CLINTON, WITHOUT QUESTION, IS THE MOST BRILLIANT PRESIDENT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD, BAR NONE. IF WE COULD HAVE A THOUSAND BILL CLINTONS AS PRESIDENT WE WOULD HAVE AN EXCELLENT WORLD-BECAUSE HE IS LOVED AROUND THE WORLD-EVERYWHERE I GO-FROM INDIA TO NEPAL TO THAILAND, TO LONDON TO GERMANY TO HOLLAND I SEE PICTURES OF BILL CLINTON ON THE WALLS-A LONDON HAIRSTYLIST SAID RECENTLY THAT THE ONLY CELEBRITY WHO EVER MADE AN IMPRESSION ON HIM WAS BILL CLINTON-I'VE HEARD THAT MANY TIMES-HE IS AN EXCEPTIONAL HUMAN BEING-BORN TO BE PRESIDENT-AND HIS INFLUENCE IS JUST AS STRONG, IF NOT STRONGER IN THE WORLD IN THE YEARS SINCE HIS PRESIDENCY-THE MAN, AS ONE LONDON CAB DRIVER EXPLAINED TO ME "HE JUST SHINES."

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

i stopped reading as soon as you said obama risks a third of his base. this was based on 1/3 of hillary supporters not backing him. so if we assume all her and his supporters are 'the base', and she got 1/2 the vote, then he is risking 1/6 of the base not 1/3. you should be ashamed at your lazyiness and unprofessionalism. you were one of the few i would read on this site.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

F**k the Clintons, and if their followers are will to burn down the Democratic Party like petty children f**k them to. Let McCain win, so what!

Posted by: Tired of the Grown Babies | August 25, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

OH OBAMA, IT REALLY WILL BE "FRIGGIN HILARIOUS" WHEN YOU WAKE UP TO 11/06-YOU'LL UNDERSTAND HOW REVENGE WORKS IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION-YOU ARE GETTING YOUR REVENGE ON HILLARY NOW, BUT LATER? RUN HIDE AND WATCH-THE DEMS. WILL BE CROSSING BY THE MILLIONS TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN/ROMNEY! BY THE MILLIONS! THEN YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT TO EAT HUMBLE PIE!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

The Dems mock how the Repubs are so infatuated w/ Reagan. The Dems do the same thing for the Clintons. It's so ridiculous. We have to placate the little woman so that her itty bitty feelings and those of the PUMA wackos are not hurt. Good grief, she wants to be a world leader, but she can't have her feelings hurt. No wonder Dems lose elections.

Posted by: Cathy | August 25, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

To make every democrat happy, maybe we can propose that they add job sharing to their platform. That way, if they win, Obama could be president during the day and Hillary could be president at night. She could answer all those 3:00 AM calls in the middle of the night and Obama could work on all his wonderful "changes" during the day.

I know this would make Bill very happy because, with Hillary in the White House, he could still chase fat women around the Oval Office.

Posted by: Fair Solution | August 25, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

So, placate the Clintons and sooth the PUMAs and have a chance of winning the election; or, be tough nails so that the press can woof it up about the un-placated Clintons and make sure Obama can't win. Ummmm....media critics, time to report on the reporters? Oh, we also must not forget--whatever McCain does wrong and no matter how it affects our nation, he is a former POW and the press is afraid to criticize him for anything and accepts the POW excuse for everything. --Former political reporter for the AP in Olympia, WA

Posted by: Nancy | August 25, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton is a feckless bum, with the world's thinnest skin--so thin that he bleeds all over himself. He is revolting.
I would not put it past him to try to screw Obama, as well as any young female he can get his hands on in Denver.
Have just read compelling info that McCain sang more than we know in Hanoi. Read all about it.

Posted by: The Cheese Man | August 25, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton 2012

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

OSAMA BIN LADEN

OBAMA BI_ __DEN

Posted by: OMG 666 | August 25, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Listen for Hillary's "tepid" support of Obama. ha ha ha

Run, Hillary, Run

Posted by: Stevooo | August 25, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse


Other than Obama, what candidate has ever attacked a popular former president from his own party?

Bill Clinton left the White House with 60+% approval ratings. During the primaries, Obama attacked Clinton's presidency and lumped it in with that of Bush I. Obama also accused Clinton of racial politics.

Obama can only dream of having a presidency as successful as Clinton's. Sadly, that's all the nation can do, too.

Posted by: WylieD | August 25, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary - 2012 !!!

Posted by: phil81 | August 25, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

When closely scrutinized, most of these PUMAs, or whatever these harpies call themselves, are usually exposed in interviews, or through research, as mischief-making dittoheads or bigots. They clearly are not legitimate Hillary supporters. The "I Love Hillary" angle is just a pose.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Poor Bill. You just know the man cannot STAND the fact that Obama has stolen his thunder, that Obama has completely eclipsed the Clintons to the extent that the Clintons are now more cliches than they ever were. Hate the Republican party all you want, but the Clintons exemplify everything that is silly and useless about the Democratic Party, and why they almost always lose. Just you watch. What will come out of the Democratic National Convention is simply solidifying even more McCain's win in November.

Posted by: Teresa from Hanover | August 25, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

a speech wrapping yadda yadda the clintons could be seen as.... oh jesssuussss freakkkkkkn chriiiiiiiist can we make sure there is NO WAY OUT for the man of the hour? I mean, what's the point of 24/7 "reporting" if we don't drum up some friction? Gosh I hope Nancy Grace is in Denver.

Posted by: robert | August 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

When Obama said he would be willing to meet with any world leader during his first year in office, I was heartened that he represented a different kind of candidate with foreign policy. People criticized JFK for lack of foreign policy experience. All the Joint Chiefs wanted to start a war with the Soviet Union unless they unilaterally backed down. It was the Kennedys who found a peaceful face-saving compromise that all parties could live with. There's a lesson here, if anyone will pay attention to it. But now, after Obama's speech before AIPAC and his selection of Joe Biden, I don't know what to believe about the man anymore. Does he actually have any convictions, or is he just realistically bowing to the power of the Israeli lobby? If he does this now, what is the hope for peace in the future? Nonetheless, I will support him because I think McCain is thinking from back in the 1960s when the US could just throw its weight around and everyone would fall in line. It's not that kind of world anymore. Debtors don't have that kind of clout. We've bankrupted the country so that Israel can build more settlements and continue to refuse to negotiate in good faith. This may have been our last chance to change course. Instead, we seem to be continuing to sail straight into the reefs.

Posted by: George Robertson | August 25, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

HA HA HA! I AGREE, 11/06 WILL BE "FRIGGIN HILARIOUS"- OH REVENGE IS SO SWEET-OBAMA WILL BE EATING HUMBLE PIE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE! HA HA HA!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Placating the Clintons? I don't think so.

The convention is about celebrating the winner of the primary season, and this year it's Barack Obama. It is not about "enshrining the whine," or, as HRC calls it, enjoying a personal "catharsis" and "venting."

Most sober analysts agree BO's ongoing concessions to Clinton so far have been a BIG mistake.

All of it -- the agreement to give HRC and her family two whole days of the convention, the inclusion of sexism-did-me-in language in the official platform, BO's people's payment of hundreds of thousands of dollars to retire HRC debt (incurred after she had already lost), and the concession to have a narcissistic, look-at-me-let's-holler roll call vote for HRC.
Each of these give-ins to HRC is completely unprecedented in American political history.

And what has O gotten in return? Bill's non-endorsement, HRC rooting semi-publicly for him to him to lose, HRC's encouragement of 18 mentals (depicted as 18 million by the media) to disrupt and ruin the convention, HRC surrogate Rendell's recent roundly condemned comment that the media has been biased for O (what unprejudiced party leader would say that one day before the convention?), and the demand that O (the winner) "reconcile" with HRC (the loser). There's no precedent for this self-absorbed, BO-doesn't-know-his-place junk.

Remember this foolishness comes after an HRC campaign more race-based than any by George Corley Wallace or Orval Faubus. Now O is facing attacks featuring Ms. Wm. Clinton as the star, slamming O right and left. It is too bad, as J. Jackson Jr. lamented today, O is in the position of baseball great Jackie Robinson. O has to take the shots and smile and not strike back. But be honest, wouldn't you like to see him "go upside" some folks' heads, just once? Oh, well.

Posted by: Broadway Joe | August 25, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

it is interesting the way so many people put so many different words in someone else's mouth. obama's choice of the word "change" without any explanation of it that would take up more space than the ADD crowd can stay atuned to is an example. it's just a word, but it happened to have worked as a campaign theme.
the fact is, and obama himself knows this: washington makes the man, the man doesn't make washington. if that is what you are looking for in "change," forget it, get over it and vote for your own self-interest. anybody who doesn't is a fool.
for just about all of you, that means you make less than $250,000, so you would benefit from obama's proposed tax break. next, you would have to elect people to congress to side with him and get it done.

Posted by: jumpingelephant | August 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Illegal Wire Tapping:

Bush - For
Cheney - For
Obama - For

Offshore Drilling:

Bush - For
Cheney - For
Obama - For

War with Iraq:

Bush - For
Cheney - For
Biden - For

War with Iran:

Bush - For
Cheney - For
Obama - For

Subsidies for Big Oil:

Bush - For
Cheney - For
Obama - For

Posted by: ObamaEdwards | August 25, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Where are the thousands of PUMAs or whatever retarded name these extremist freaks call themselves?

It's friggin' HILARIOUS that those idiots think they have a movement and speak for all women, when Obama leads women by double-digits (Kerry won women by 3 points).

Looooosers! I like to watch them get all mad! LOL! :-D

======================================

Actually, there are millions of us and we're not getting mad, we're getting even. I agree it will be "friggin' HILARIOUS" at 1AM on 11/6 when we find out that it's...President McCain. Bully to that!!

BTW, you might want to catch up with the news of the last few days. It's all about how the election will be decided by Hillary supporters.

Posted by: ks | August 25, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN HAS ALL THEY NEED TO ATTACK OBAMA IN BIDEN'S OWN ATTACKS ON HIS NEW BOSS! MCCAIN STAFFERS; JUST PLAY IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN ON NATIONAL TV-HERE HE IS, HIS OWN VP -SAYING OVER AND OVER-OBAMA IS UNQUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT!

THAT'S REALLY A GIFT FOR THE REPUBLICANS, ONE MUST ADMIT, BUT THE NITWIT DEM. PARTY DESERVES IT AND DESERVES TO LOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH AND ARROGANT-WAAAAY TOO ARROGANT-THEY'LL SEE THOUGH, SOON ENOUGH-THEY'RE 3D LOSS IN 8 YEARS!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

All you Obamaniacs are sealing your own fate. How many of you were even working for a living when Clinton was president? That was the most prosperous period in more than 30 years - there was a budget surplus!

The division in the Democratic party is the result of Obama and his Obamaniacs trashing Clinton - they have only themselves to blame for a divided party. Now it's the great Messiah's job to fix it. So quit whining and get on with it. You reap what you sow.

Posted by: Keith | August 25, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

>>bondjedi wrote: "AsperGirl, 37th & O Street, scrivener, et al - is that the readership you were promised?"

We have more disposable income than the DailyKos socialist losers blogging from their parents' basement, like you.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"Oh yeah? She's in her SECOND term in the senate. Just HOW is that more experience than SIX terms in the senate?"

Meh, its got nothing to do with experience. It's got nothing to do with 18 million votes. It's got nothing to do with electability. It's got nothing to do with standing up for the little guy. It's got nothing to do with being working class. It's got nothing to do with Florida/Michigan. It's got nothing to do with caucuses. It's got nothing to do with picking the best president. It's got nothing to do with the future of the country.

This is identity politics, plain and simple. Don't let the smokescreen fool you. It's not about anything else. Just like the OJ Simpson trial wasn't a victory for civil rights, an Obama loss will just be another circus that will be a lot of noise, but won't solve a damn thing.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Clintons and their supporters should go form a new party. Maybe they can call it the Neocon party or War Party, but they sure are NOT Democrats!


Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

OOOOH! COOLHEAD! DARLIN' YOU GOT THAT ALL A SS BACKWARDS! IT WAS BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN WHO DISSED OBAMA BIGTIME! REPEATEDLY BLASTING OBAMA FOR HIS LACK OF EXPERIENCE, AND SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENCY WAS NO PLACE FOR ON THE JOB TRAINING! UH YEAH! AND THAT IS EQUALLY TRUE FOR A PROFESSIONAL SENATOR WHO'S NEVER DONE A D AMN THING IN THE SENATE EXCEPT OSSIFY-AND PLAGIARIZE AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO THINK HE'S SOME ELDER STATESMAN IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS-OH THAT IS SO SCREAMINGLY FUNNY! BUT NO ONE CAN SHOW US JUST WHAT INSIGHT AND WISE JUDGMENT HAS LED TO THAT NONSENSICAL CONCLUSION-AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH BIDEN'S CURIOUS, RACIALLY TINGED COMMENTS WHICH HE CAN'T SEEM TO STOP MAKING! OH YEAH, THAT'S AN UNHOLY UNION IF EVER THERE WAS ONE!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

WaPost/Fix advertisers:

AsperGirl, 37th & O Street, scrivener, et al - is that the readership you were promised?

Posted by: bondjedi | August 25, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Why is politics always so emotional? I do not understand why a Clinton supporter would want her to be VP. Its the most degrading job in politics. I am surprised that anyone who voted for Hillary Clinton would vote for McCain. The only thing they have in common is that they both blasted Obama. If you only wanted Clinton because she was a woman, I think she would not want your vote.

Posted by: Cool head | August 25, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

OMG they're making a "deal" so that Clinton can't get more delegate votes than Obama.

The roll call after it starts is supposed to be stopped by a motion from the floor to suspend the count and nominate Obama "by acclamation".

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

85,000 Americans died fighting Communism.
Obama is an affront to their sacrifice

Is It Time To Elect A President Who Appreciates Communism?


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511


Is It Time To Elect A President Who Appreciates Communism?

http://townhall.com/columnists/AustinHill/2008/08/24/is_it_time_to_elect_a_president_who_appreciates_communism
Barack Obama's Mother
I thought you might find the following article from snopes.com interesting: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/mother.asp


How 'bout them apples!!??

Posted by: Like Apples ? | August 25, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

AGREED: The Clintons are/were Republicans.

Clinton abandoned the Iran-Contra/Iraqgate investigations, signed NAFTA, cut aid to the poor, etc. On every key bit of government business, he capitulated to the Republicans.

Hillary voted for the blank-check resolution authorizing the illegal war with Iraq, etc.

But what is Obama giving us? Votes for telecom immunity and promises to increase funding of religious programs?

Obama is turning out to be every bit as Bush-lite as the Clintons.

And that's why he's going to lose.

Posted by: bluestatesman | August 25, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

If I think Obama's an unqualified lightweight, will Michelle be not proud of me :(

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

AND REMEMBER TOO, KNUCKLEHEADS FOR OBAMA, MCCAIN VOTED FOR TWO OF THE MOST LIBERAL SUPREME COURT JUSTICES IN THE COUNTRY -GINSBERG AND BREYER-IN THE FACE OF HUGE AND VERY ANGRY OPPOSITION FROM HIS OWN PARTY, GIVEN THEIR PRO-CHOICE BELIEFS-YEAH, SORRY, THAT MCCAIN IS MORE MODERATE THAN YOU THINK, AS HIS BRILLIANT VP MITT ROMNEY-WHO INITIATED AND REQUIRED-REQUIRED! HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR EVERY MASS. CITIZEN WHILE HE WAS GOVERNOR! MCCAIN/ROMNEY-THAT'S MY TICKET!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
*********** ************* ************** *********** ***********
Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk
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John McCain: a noun, a verb and POW.

When is the MSM going to report on how McCain "cooperated" with the Viet Cong?

CNN asked one, ONE, question about it, and let it go after St. John said he was in a "bad physical situation" at the time.

HE ADMITS he cooperated with this captors.

WHY is he considered a HERO???

Posted by: RealCalGal | August 25, 2008 6:44 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

AND REMEMBER TOO, KNUCKLEHEADS FOR OBAMA, MCCAIN VOTED FOR TWO OF THE MOST LIBERAL SUPREME COURT JUSTICES IN THE COUNTRY -GINSBERG AND BREYER-IN THE FACE OF HUGE AND VERY ANGRY OPPOSITION FROM HIS OWN PARTY, GIVEN THEIR PRO-CHOICE BELIEFS-YEAH, SORRY, THAT MCCAIN IS MORE MODERATE THAN YOU THINK, AS HIS BRILLIANT VP MITT ROMNEY-WHO INITIATED AND REQUIRED-REQUIRED! HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR EVERY MASS. CITIZEN WHILE HE WAS GOVERNOR! MCCAIN/ROMNEY-THAT'S MY TICKET!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"whose real legacy is welfare reform, a balanced budget and NAFTA; all co-opted Republican positions"

OMG, did you actually admit that everything good about clinton was stolen and that the credit is due the Rs. so the only winning Dem of the last 50 or more years was really a DINO and liberals will never win.

QED

It is true. I finally found a Liberal who doesn't burst into flame when he tells the truth.

******************************

The point is Clinton did not run on those positions, he ran against them. He only co-opted them to save his hide. But this is, in fact, part of his real legacy. That, and selling out his party's base, the real forte of both Clintons. BTW, I am no liberal and no one who tells the truth will ever burst into flames with the possible exception of that drug-addled fool, Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: maxfli | August 25, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. You can be anti-abortion and pro-choice. The pro-choice position simply believes that the government should not be making medical decisions for (and foisting religious beliefs upon) individuals.

I find it hilarious that right-wingers are for small government until it comes to actual personal sovereignty in terms of one's body. Then they are happy to come storming in with laws about what we ingest, who we marry, and what sort of medical decisions we make.

Pro-choice means small government when it comes to reproductive health decisions.

Sorry if you can't understand that.

Posted by: bluestatesman | August 25, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE WHO WONDERS WHAT MICHELLE IS ALL ABOUT OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT CLOSEUP ON SATURDAY OF MICHELLE AND BIDEN'S WIFE-HOLY MOLEY! THAT'S ONE SCARY PICTURE-MICHELLE IS NOT SMILING-SHE HAS GOT HER BEST BLACK PANTHER LOOK GOING-SERIOUSLY! GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT-IT'S AN EVIL, DEFIANT LOOK IF EVER I'VE SEEN ONE!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 WAYS TO TELL YOUR ELITIST NOMINEE HAS NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER

Repaints campaign airplane with "Air France One"

Affixes his presidential-seal-looking campaign seal to gate outside the Georgian mansion his convicted corruption figure friend helped him buy while under indictment

Summer strategizing and positioning is about whether to allow convention delegates to actually vote -- with negotiations continuing past the convening gavel!

Decides that he's no longer "proud of America", now that America hates his wife

Though his debate score was 0-in-22, claims he lost ABC news debate because Stephanopolous set him up

Though his debate score was 0-in-23, claims he lost Saddleback forum because McCain cheated -- on questions about what the candidates beliefs were

Convention night "fist bump" knocks the other "historic candidate" off the stage

Some convention concessions labelled "Typical White Food" sell beer and hot dogs instead of wine and crudites

Picks his wife as VP because Obama-Obama sounds twice as good

Immediately after nomination starts work on his "historical fiction" presidential memoir with "composite characters"

-- AsperGirl

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Hillary needs placating. I think she's accepted and processed the fact that Obama won the nomination. Sad to say, she seems to be the only adult in her marriage. Bill Clinton, who I used to admire so much, is behaving like a spoiled, petulant brat and should be treated as such. He's a destructive, egomaniacal little monster and I'd dearly love to kick his bottom for him.

Posted by: Helena Montana | August 25, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

BODO WROTE:

"By putting on this big production to placate the oversize egos of the OBAMAS, the Democrats merely emphasize the split. After eight disastrous Republican years, chances have never been better for the Democrats. Though it seems hard to believe, they may actually accomplish the impossible and lose again, thanks to the OBAMA BIN BIDEN knuckleheads."

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Face it. The Dems are blowing it. Obama is pandering to the right and voting for Bush's worst attacks on American values (telecom immunity). What "change" is he peddling? I know the change I wanted was a halt to the frontal assault on the Constitution, but Obama rubber-stamped it! This is not change I can believe in. It is change of window dressing at best.

Dems: either stand up for the Constitution, or just capitulate now.

Posted by: CHANGE WE CAN'T EVEN SEE | August 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

CHRIS C is just another nerdy pundit trying to invent conflict where there isnt one...granted there will be some bitter Clintonites out there...personally, i wanted Hillary to win...However, if I believe in what Hillary believes in, there's no way in the world i would believe that John McCain a man who sold his soul to the Bush machine is a better fit for me.

Posted by: LES | August 25, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse


Biden is a pro-abortion Catholic?

Abortion kills an unborn, developing human life. It is always gravely evil, and so are the evasions employed to justify it. Catholics who make excuses for it - whether they're famous or not - fool only themselves and abuse the fidelity of those Catholics who do sincerely seek to follow the Gospel and live their Catholic faith.

Posted by: ObamaEdwards | August 25, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

>>ObamaEdwards wrote: "OMFG! CNN just showed Michelle Obama in High Definition. AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! They should be required to broadcast a warning!"

LOL.

Obama's first act as Chancellor of America, after he declares an emergency and dissolves Congress, should be to issue a proclamation that he's no longer proud of American, because America hates his wife.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

By putting on this big production to placate the oversize egos of the Clintons, the Democrats merely emphasize the split. After eight disastrous Republican years, chances have never been better for the Democrats. Though it seems hard to believe, they may actually accomplish the impossible and lose again, thanks to the Clintons.

Posted by: bodo | August 25, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

DLC, the Republican wing of the Democratic Party. I say repudiate the DLC. It's not like the DLC has hesitated to repudiate mainstream Dems. The DLC has had their time in the sun, rubber-stamping Republican policies like NAFTA. Now it's time for core Dems to run the show. The primary has clearly demonstrated that. But wait! What's this? Obama is moving to the right of even Hilary, voting for telecom immunity despite a promise to filibuster such attacks on the Constitution. I guess the Dems want to lose again. Liberal voters will again have no candidate and either vote Green or stay home on election day. Too bad. The country was ready for change.

Posted by: bluestatesman | August 25, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

John McCain: a noun, a verb and POW.

When is the MSM going to report on how McCain "cooperated" with the Viet Cong?

CNN asked one, ONE, question about it, and let it go after St. John said he was in a "bad physical situation" at the time.

HE ADMITS he cooperated with this captors.

WHY is he considered a HERO???

Posted by: RealCalGal | August 25, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

>>Observer wrote: "Wow! It appears that, lacking any genuine Democrats, the paid McCain bloggers have chosen up sides and are scrimmaging..."

You Obama bots are in such denial that Obama has a rejection problem.

You all have female rejection denial syndrome.

You all need an intervention.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

WOW OBSERVER, YOU'RE A YOUNG KIDDIE, AREN'T YOU? LET'S JUST MAKE THOSE BAD "HATEFUL" PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE OBAMA-BECAUSE HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO QUALIFICATIONS TO BE PRESIDENT, AND HE'S A LIAR AS WELL, LET'S JUST, WISH THEM OFF TO THE CORNFIELD, OKAY? THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED HERE! (in case you don't get my reference, it's from a classic episode of the Twilight Zone).

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse


OMFG!

CNN just showed Michelle Obama in High Definition.

AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

They should be required to broadcast a warning!

Posted by: ObamaEdwards | August 25, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

>>ObamaEdwards wrote: "On CNN Jack Cafferty just told women to go to hell."

That's a surprise. Cafferty is the kind of guy you don't want to be adrift on a raft with in a survival situation. He's such a hyperdrive, tunnel-vision reality rabbit hole thinker.

He poses questions on his show then asks for user opinions, and then the users who blog in favor of Obama are the ones he displays and reads. And he reads them with such vindication as if his narrow interpretation of reality has been confirmed by his blog.

The whole thing is a sham and the guy is a frenetic looney tunes.

If Jack Cafferty was a woman, he'd be the woman who has her period 2 weeks out of every month and goes around changing her stories with her moods, demanding everyone validate whatever latest version of reality she's operating in.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Idiot Dems don't know how to campaign. They mortally wound each other with infighting, then the front-runner starts pandering to the right, sucking-up to people who will never vote for them while alienating their own base. America is ready for liberals to have a go, but if they keep being hypocrites, they are going to lose.

Posted by: bluestatesman | August 25, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow! It appears that, lacking any genuine Democrats, the paid McCain bloggers have chosen up sides and are scrimmaging - one side pretneds to hate Hillary, the other pretends to hate Obama - and they are going at it! Chris, is there any way to get the Dittoheads off this site?

Posted by: Observer | August 25, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse


Why do Obama spokemen keep saying Biden was a steel worker in Scranton, PA?

Biden left PA at the same age Obama left Indonesia.

Posted by: ObamaEdwards | August 25, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

He can do that until his a ss turns to stone-what the hell difference does a joker nitwit CNN announcer have to do with anything? MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF US DEM. VOTERS-HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD FROM-BUT ON ELECTION DAY-OH OBAMA-YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE LOSS REAL REAL HARD-BUT GET OVER IT! YOU GOT YOUR FELON FRIEND REZKO AND TERRORIST FRIEND AYERS TO CONSOLE YOU! AND IT WILL TEACH YOU SOMETHING TOO-A LITTLE HUMILITY! OH IT WILL BE HARD-BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY WITH FIRE-YOU BETTER DO IT EXPERTLY-OR YOU'RE GONNA GET BURNED-BAD, REAL BAD!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"If Obama really wanted experience, he would have picked Clinton."

Oh yeah? She's in her SECOND term in the senate. Just HOW is that more experience than SIX terms in the senate?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

The person who won the most primary votes in any party's primary season history is not on the Democratic ticket this year.

Moreover, her supporters are being blamed for causing the party problems because they don't "shup up and get on board".

Why even bother to give women the vote?

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse


Sweet.

On CNN Jack Cafferty just told women to go to hell.

Posted by: ObamaEdwards | August 25, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

AND THE LATEST CNN/GALLUP POLL: WHITE HOUSE IN A DEAD HEAT:

Poll: Race for White House

CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll shows Obama and McCain tied at 47 percent

66 percent of Clinton supporters are now backing Obama

54 percent say choosing Biden as running mate is an "excellent" or "good decision"


By Paul Steinhauser
CNN Deputy Political Director

DENVER, Colorado (CNN) -- It's a dead heat in the race for the White House.

Both John McCain and Barack Obama had the support of 47 percent of people questioned in the CNN poll.

1 of 2 The first national poll conducted after Barack Obama publicly named Joe Biden as his running mate suggests that the battle for the presidency between the Illinois senator and John McCain is all tied up.

In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Sunday night, 47 percent of those questioned are backing Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominees, with an equal amount supporting his Republican opponent, McCain.

"This looks like a step backward for Obama, who had a 51 to 44 percent advantage last month," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Even last week, just before his choice of Joe Biden as his running mate became known, most polls tended to show Obama with a single-digit advantage over McCain."

So what's the difference now?


It may be supporters of Hillary Clinton, who still would prefer the New York senator and former first lady as the Democratic Party's presidential nominee. Watch are Clinton backers on board? »

Sixty-six percent of Clinton supporters -- registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee -- are now backing Obama. That's down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they'll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.

"The number of Clinton Democrats who say they would vote for McCain has gone up 11 points since June, enough to account for most, although not all, of the support McCain has gained in that time," Holland said.

HA HA HA! YEAH, OBAMA, RUN HIDE AND WATCH! THIS IS JUST A MINISCULE SAMPLING OF THE MILLIONS THE POLLS HAVEN'T HEARD FROM-AND NONE OF US WOULD BE CAUGHT DEAD VOTING FOR THAT KNUCKLEHEADED NO EXPERIENCE PLAGIARIST LIGHTWEIGHT TEAM-NOT FOR PRESIDENT - TO QUOTE AMY WINEHOUSE-OH NO NO NO!

DEMS4MCCAIN.ORG

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 25, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse


Now Biden admits ties to Rezko.

Precious.

Posted by: ObamaEdwards | August 25, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Where are the thousands of PUMAs or whatever retarded name these extremist freaks call themselves?

It's friggin' HILARIOUS that those idiots think they have a movement and speak for all women, when Obama leads women by double-digits (Kerry won women by 3 points).

Looooosers! I like to watch them get all mad! LOL! :-D

Posted by: dAVE | August 25, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Magoo and Bill, two peas in an adulterating pod.

Magoo's groomsman was GARY HART!!!

Talk about a couple of dirtbags!

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 25, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

WOMEN!

GET OVER IT!!!

YOU LOST !!!!!



Posted by: ObamaEdwards | August 25, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The media's obsession with any potential conflict (and manufacturing one when there isn't any) has reached the point of disgusting.

Senator Obama and the Clintons are all saying there's no problem.

No Drama - Vote Obama!!

Posted by: bam | August 25, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

85,000 Americans died fighting Communism.
Obama is an affront to their sacrifice

Is It Time To Elect A President Who Appreciates Communism?


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511


Is It Time To Elect A President Who Appreciates Communism?

http://townhall.com/columnists/AustinHill/2008/08/24/is_it_time_to_elect_a_president_who_appreciates_communism
Barack Obama's Mother
I thought you might find the following article from snopes.com interesting: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/mother.asp


How 'bout them apples?

Posted by: Like Apples ? | August 25, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Chris C. writing about the Democrat's convention is like anything else the WaPo writes; ANTI-DEMOCRATIC-PARTY.

Why bother reading it?

By the way, how is Novak's brain tumor doing?

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 25, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Looks like someone found a way to, as a McCain supporter so eloquently put it, "beat the b*tch."

1. Claim ad nauseam that Clintons have it in for Obama. Pick your reason: nasty primary battle, FL/MI delegates, campaign debt, veep spot, whatever sounds plausible.

2. Get press to report it--they'll keep story afloat as long as it sells. Use press reports as evidence of serious problem. (see "WMD in Iraq").

3. Everyone starts to believe it; Dems take sides, deteriorate into finger-pointing and back-biting. Disgusted voters hand presidency to GOP.

4. In '12, claim ad nauseam that Obama supporters never forgave Clinton for "costing" them the election in '08. Repeat steps 2 and 3.

Very clever!

Posted by: Aww Man | August 25, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I hope that once Obama is inaugurated in
January he distance himself as much as possible from the Clintons.
I certainly hope that Obama does NOT place Hillary anywhere in his regime, most of all NOT as Secretary of State.
Hillary's only experience is as First Lady which does not qualifiy for her for any important position.
I wish the Clintons would just go away, far, far away.

Posted by: Ron | August 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Here is my solution, get a Democrat into the White House first then fix whatever perceived problems the Clintons have.

Mr. Obama you have my vote..

Posted by: Curtis | August 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

From a Republican standpoint, you have to appreciate what the Clintons and their supporters are doing to Obama's chances. To think, the attacks on Obama were the focal point of the Hillary Clinton strategy, to the extent that McCain is using Hillary's attacks in his commercials, and yet the Clintons feel they are owed something by Obama. The Clinton supporters appear to be completely irrational and practically opposed to seeing the Democrats win.

Posted by: John C | August 25, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The Nobama campaign's crazy fockers should try to manage their campaign on their own, appeal to Hillary's supporters on their own, and if they fail, accept responsibility on their own.

Why should the CLintons even spit in the direction of the Nobamas. After the Nob-ster compared Bill C to Nixon.

I don't see the Nobster's campaign is blaming Edwards, Doddering fool, Bill Judas Richardson, etc if the few supporters those fools had are not supporting Nobama now. Why is it the Clintons fault if HRC supporters dont vote Nobama now?

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 25, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Navy pilot John Sidney D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III was being held prisoner of war. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

When the communist learned that D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's father was Admiral John S. Seven Mansions McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat. Since D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain got 28 medals, that equals out to a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Former naval officer and the owner of an OOIIILLLL-trading company that inked defense contracts worth $1 billion is the modern presidential money man. The law forbids high-level supporters from writing huge checks, but with help from friends in the Middle East D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain is receiving large donations.

Posted by: GOP Republican OOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Conspiracy | August 25, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Where are all of Obama's friends: Tony Rezko, Nadhmi Auchi, William Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi, Rev. Wright, Rev. Meeks, Rev. Otis, Father Pfleger, Louis Farrakhan, Alham Alsammaral, Jodie Evans, Hamas, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Muammar Al Gaddafi, Kim Jong-I,?

Posted by: mzha | August 25, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

According to the tone of this commentary, Sen. Obama is destined to be damned for rapprochment with Bill Clinton and for allowing him to speak at the convention. Really? Just what limitations did his hardcore cadre place on Obama's pristine candidacy that not even the Rev. Wright, nor Tony Rezko, nor Chicago politics for that matter, could tarnish?

And for what reason all this animosity? Mr. Cilizza tells us that Clinton left a..."legacy of hyperpartisanship and politicization" from his administration. Really? You had to be sleeping during Clinton's administration, or drunk by the prosperity of it, if you don't remember that it was a Republican one-way, unprovoked attack on Clinton's jugular. They simply hated him. President Clinton represented all the good things--intelligence, empathy, charisma, sincerity, looks--they did not have among their party faithful. And even when the Republicans were able to impeach him in the House, through digging into his messy sex life, Bill Clinton was so popular with the electorate that he was given a second term.

Mr. Cilizza also speaks of Obama's promise of change, and that the Clintons might contaminate that claim, in the minds of Obama's faithful. And yet, Obama's and Hillary's platforms, as candidates, were practically identical, raising the question of just what "change" Obama is about that Hillary is not about.

Enough with the nonsense!

If Obama is to be damned by embracing the Clintons, then either let him be damned by that, or let him be damned by the Clinton's rejection of his embrace. There is a third path, of reconciliation without damnation, but that road is not for the pure of heart in Senator Obama's world.

Posted by: paul taylor | August 25, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Barack Obama is the candidate who cares about, drum roll please, HIMSELF! How crazy is it that he would throw away 18 million votes by rejecting Hilary Clinton as the VP It's not only crazy, it's arrogant, naive and using really bad judgment. The kind of judgment we can't afford in the White House. Joe Biden received about 9,000 total votes in the primaries. Duh?

Posted by: What is he thinking? | August 25, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"OMG, did you actually admit that everything good about clinton was stolen and that the credit is due the Rs. so the only winning Dem of the last 50 or more years was really a DINO and liberals will never win."

The bluster is Republican, the action is Democratic.

Name me the last Republican president to preside over a balanced budget.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again, anything else the Obama campaign would like to blame the Clintons. If Obama fails, it's his own fault. His campaign has done nothing to heal the Clinton supporters. Now, they are telling Bill Clinton what to speak about at the convention? Bill Clinton one of the most terrific speakers what to say at a convention? Give me a break. The Biden pick is supposed to make Hillary supporters feel great, let bygones be bygones, turn the other cheek and do it for the Democrat Party? My vote doesn't come cheap, and Obama and the Demo posse needs to seriously look at the damage that they have done to the party, not just pointing fingers at the Clintons because it's convenient to.

Posted by: deedee1 | August 25, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I have little patience with Bill Clinton and his desire to keep his "legacy." His legacy is eight years of George Bush. He couldn't keep his pants up; that's how I remember Bill Clinton. I voted for him twice.

Clinton's little bit of fun with an intern cost us the 2000 election, because Al Gore couldn't win without him and he couldn't win with him.

Clinton owes lots to the party; the party owes him very little.

Posted by: esch | August 25, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Following is the list of keynote speakers and topics at the upcoming Democratic Convention:

Marion Barry --- Drug Abuse

Rep. Denny Kucinich --- How to garner 1 % of the vote in every primary entered

Sen. Chrissy Dodd --- Obtaining Countrywide loans

Sen. Chucky Schumer --- How to initiate a run on a bank

Jesse Jackson ---- Marital fidelity and Castration

John Edwards ---- Ambulance Chasing and Spousal support in time of need

Sen. Theodore Kennedy --- Driver education and How to stop a pending autopsy

James McGreevey ---- Gay rights

Mayor Ray Nagin --- Emergency evacuation preparations

Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick – Email etiquette in the workplace

Al Sharpton ---- Race relations

Sen. Evan Bayh --- How to ignore the Liberal wing of the Democratic Party and support the war in Iraq

Al Gore --- Snow Removal

Louis Farrakhan --- Muslims in America and Muslim in the White House

Posted by: gary | August 25, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

An extremely bad day for the Baracky Hussein Obama campaign.

After all this time and wait, he chooses a man (Joe Biden) with the personality of a "dead fish" - and that is putting it mildly.

I can't believe that Baracky Hussein Obama did not even consider Hillary Clinton.

I can only assume that he believes that he has the women's vote locked up.

I hope that all Hispanic voters realize, that they will be at the bottom of the barrel if Baracky Hussein Obama is elected in November. He will have to pacify the black electorate after receiving 99 % of their vote.

Democrats for John McCain in 2008.

Posted by: gary | August 25, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST OBAMA BY CLINTON SUPPORTER

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977428212

The lawsuit filed against Barack Obama by former attorney general and Clinton supporter Philip Berg last Thursday is being reviewed by the Federal Election Commission.

"The civil suit filed by Berg will be reviewed by the U.S. Federal Election Commission, according to Patty Hartman, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania."

http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20089295&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is the change we were all waiting for? Gimme a break. If Obama really wanted experience, he would have picked Clinton. Of course, Obama wasn't man enough to do what needed to be done. I've had it with the Democrats, I'll vote for Nader in November.

Posted by: Cathy | August 25, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse


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The Clintons -- and their relationship with the nominee -- could end up being the dominant storyline at the convention. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)

DENVER -- As the Democratic National Convention opens officially today, talk has turned -- as it inevitably does these days -- to the Clintons and how their relationship with soon-to-be-nominee Barack Obama will impact the overall message coming out of Denver this week.

What has become clear over the past few weeks and has crystallized over the last few days is that tensions remain between the two camps -- and those tensions are largely centered on former President Bill Clinton and his belief that he and his administration were unfairly maligned by Obama during the primary process. (Politico's John F. Harris and Mike Allen penned a piece detailing the riff last night.)

"There is still work to do on the Bill Clinton front," writes Howard Wolfson, a former senior adviser to Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential bid, in a New Republic piece entitled "Smothering the Hatchet." "He feels like the Obama campaign ran against and systematically dismissed his administration's accomplishments. And he feels like he was painted as a racist during the primary process."

The Fix spoke this morning to another source familiar with the Clintons' thinking who echoed Wolfson's sentiment.

"Obama ran a campaign that in many ways repudiated the Clinton presidency and often signals that he would make different choices than the ones Bill Clinton made," said the source. "The net result of that is to raise questions about the Clinton legacy. And the Clintons -- especially Bill Clinton -- is very sensitive to his legacy and how it is being shaped."

Polling seems to suggest that the rift is deeper than simply a clash of personalities. In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, roughly two thirds of self-identified supporters of Hillary Clinton in the primary are now backing Obama while 27 percent say they will vote for John McCain in the fall. A survey done last week for NBC and the Wall Street Journal showed an even clearer divide with only 52 percent of Clinton backers siding with Obama in the general election.

Those numbers present Obama and his campaign team with a difficult challenge this week.

On the one hand, the Illinois senator must find a way to bring some of those wayward Democrats home if he wants to win in the fall. While there are more self-identifying Democrats than self-identifying Republicans in the country at-large right now, Obama can't afford to lose one-third of the party base either to McCain or a non-vote.

On the other, Obama's decision to run against the Clinton legacy of hyper-partisanship and politicization worked in the primaries. His call for a new brand of politics touched a cord with voters not just wary of the eight year of George W. Bush but even many sick of the relentless back and forth between the two parties (and occasionally even within the Democratic party) that characterized the Clinton Administration. To then use his speech this week to wrap his arms around Bill Clinton would be seen by some within Obama's base as a repudiation of everything he ran on in the primary.

The other issue for Obama is that healing the wounds of the primary is not entirely in his control. Even if he finds a way to, as Wolfson suggests, "specifically praise the accomplishments of the Clinton presidency in a line or two during his speech on Thursday," there are real questions over whether that would be enough.

Much depends on Bill Clinton's speech on Wednesday night. Will the former President go the magnanimous route, putting past problems behind him and warmly embracing Obama? Or will he leave wiggle room in the speech that keen political observers will take as a sign that his support for the Illinois senator is tepid rather than white hot?

The Fix -- and the rest of the political world -- will be watching.

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To those Clinton supporters who are not happy with sending a donation to Barack Obama, please donate to Hillary Clinton's senate re-election campaign at:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1&sc=2446

You can also view her beautiful little thank you video for supporting her presidential candidacy there.

Even small amounts add up online, like the price of a lunch.
"

Can you still do this? Primary season is officially over now. Or does it end Wednesday?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 5:55 PM

By snubbing Clinton, Obama is hurting himself tremendously. He should have swallowed his pride and made her VP. Now we must all watch this tragedy come to a finish, as millions of Clintonites slowly drift towards McCain.

Posted by: Alex | August 25, 2008 5:55 PM

Let's be honest here. The Clintons feel burned by Hillary's loss in a very tight race. I'm sure they want Obama to win, but they also are still recovering from the loss. I would feel the same way and I'm sure Obama would too. Healing takes some time. Let's not overanalyze each handshake and hug. These are real people who put themselves on the line in a campaign The media scrutiny only delays the healing.

Obama is not in any position to tell Bill Clinton, a former president, what to speak about. He can invite him to speak -- or not -- but it is in appropriate for him to dictate the speach. I personally think Bill Clinton was great on the economy, so I'd love to hear him on that topic.

The Clintons will be fine. I do not think they need or expect to be placated at this convention. If the Obama people do not want them there, they should not have extended the invitation.

Posted by: Honest Abe | August 25, 2008 5:54 PM

Obama thinks he can win without the support of Clinton supporters. How short-sighted and petty. This guy barely limped past the finish line. The Democratic party lacks basic common sense.

Posted by: Jack | August 25, 2008 5:53 PM

Picture it, DEM Convention 2008.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama speaking from the pulpit.

Hair flooded with Afro Sheen,

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open.

Brow furrowed, and a scowl of hate written across her face.

"Fist Pumping" the air in an absolute rage".

All the while ranting against "Whiety" and how they keep raising the bar!

The congregation is worked into a frenzy "SCREAMING"

You Go Girl" Bring it Home Sister Obama, etc.

This, my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Chevy - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News


Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:53 PM

Following is the list of keynote speakers and topics at the upcoming Democratic Convention:


Marion Barry --- Drug Abuse


Rep. Denny Kucinich --- How to garner 1 % of the vote in every primary entered


Sen. Chrissy Dodd --- Obtaining Countrywide loans


Sen. Chucky Schumer --- How to initiate a run on a bank


Jesse Jackson ---- Marital fidelity and Castration


John Edwards ---- Ambulance Chasing and Spousal support in time of need


Sen. Theodore Kennedy --- Driver education and How to stop a pending autopsy


James McGreevey ---- Gay rights


Mayor Ray Nagin --- Emergency evacuation preparations


Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick – Email etiquette in the workplace


Al Sharpton ---- Race relations


Sen. Evan Bayh --- How to ignore the Liberal wing of the Democratic Party and support the war in Iraq


Al Gore --- Snow Removal


Louis Farrakhan --- Muslims in America and Muslim in the White House

Posted by: gary | August 25, 2008 5:52 PM

Great Work Gary! KEEP HAMMERING! They're going down in flames, just keep posting the facts.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

There is a slight possibility Senator Clinton sincerely wants Barack to win, even if she has to perhaps wait eight years to get back into the Clintons' white house. The greater probability is she will act as if she wants Barack to win, while holding back, hoping he will lose, so the Clintons can possibly move back to their house in only four years. Maybe Senator Clinton will ultimately win an honorary oscar from her hollywood pals, if she is successful in her acting.

Bill Clinton was not a particularly good president. He was responsible for few lasting achievements. So Barack was only being truthful if he was not overly enthusiastic, as the former president expects, about his supposed acoomplishments. Some of Clinton's comments comments during the campaign were arguably racist, whether he is a racist, I do not know.

The Clintons are arguably the most narcissitic and egotistical national politicians in United States history. Bush is the worst president in our history. These two presidents, if they are representative of the moral values of the baby boomers, reflect poorly upon a generation, I belong to. This country needs a competent president, with consistently high moral values, who will not lead this country into unnecessary military adventures.

McCain's first instinct in a foreign policy crisis is to be confrontational, often to seek to use military force. His jugdgment skills are therefore impaired, despite his paper resume of supposedly extensive foreign policy experience. Barack has sounded increasingly as a conventional politician in recent months. He is still, by far, the better candidate, wanting to expand health care coverage, middle class tax cuts, more consistently uphold the Constitution, be less compliant to corporate interests and less likely to involve the United States in more reckless, unnecessary wars.

Posted by: Independent | August 25, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Thank God Obama didn't pick Clinton as his VP, I was afraid if he had they would have won the election.

Posted by: mzha | August 25, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous wrote:

I will be a pragmatist for one more election cycle and back the naked emporer-

------------

I used to think this way, but I came to realize all you do when voting "pragmatic" is enable the system, enable our broken government.

So they all have to be exposed, both democratic, and republican, for it truly to get better, for it truly to get back to the people.

Washington has no talent, it has corrupt mediocrities, and if it's only apparent at the political level, what does this indicate for our military, say, is the military leadership this weak, too?

What about justice, or intelligence?

How do we get talented people back to Washington, talented people able to create new policy say, to deal with terrorism, to deal with the Russians?

Not by enabling Obama, or McCain.

I'm not voting in the Presidential race, this election, only in the contests I consider to be more legitimate, perhaps at the state, or local level.

But I am staying active in the Democratic party.

YMMV, of course...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"

To those Clinton supporters who are not happy with sending a donation to Barack Obama, please donate to Hillary Clinton's senate re-election campaign at:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1&sc=2446

You can also view her beautiful little thank you video for supporting her presidential candidacy there.

Even small amounts add up online, like the price of a lunch.
"


Can you still do this? Primary season is officially over now. Or does it end Wednesday?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

By snubbing Clinton, Obama is hurting himself tremendously. He should have swallowed his pride and made her VP. Now we must all watch this tragedy come to a finish, as millions of Clintonites slowly drift towards McCain.

Posted by: Alex | August 25, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest here. The Clintons feel burned by Hillary's loss in a very tight race. I'm sure they want Obama to win, but they also are still recovering from the loss. I would feel the same way and I'm sure Obama would too. Healing takes some time. Let's not overanalyze each handshake and hug. These are real people who put themselves on the line in a campaign The media scrutiny only delays the healing.

Obama is not in any position to tell Bill Clinton, a former president, what to speak about. He can invite him to speak -- or not -- but it is in appropriate for him to dictate the speach. I personally think Bill Clinton was great on the economy, so I'd love to hear him on that topic.

The Clintons will be fine. I do not think they need or expect to be placated at this convention. If the Obama people do not want them there, they should not have extended the invitation.

Posted by: Honest Abe | August 25, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama thinks he can win without the support of Clinton supporters. How short-sighted and petty. This guy barely limped past the finish line. The Democratic party lacks basic common sense.

Posted by: Jack | August 25, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, DEM Convention 2008.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama speaking from the pulpit.

Hair flooded with Afro Sheen,

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open.

Brow furrowed, and a scowl of hate written across her face.

"Fist Pumping" the air in an absolute rage".

All the while ranting against "Whiety" and how they keep raising the bar!

The congregation is worked into a frenzy "SCREAMING"

You Go Girl" Bring it Home Sister Obama, etc.

This, my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Chevy - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News


Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Following is the list of keynote speakers and topics at the upcoming Democratic Convention:

Marion Barry --- Drug Abuse

Rep. Denny Kucinich --- How to garner 1 % of the vote in every primary entered

Sen. Chrissy Dodd --- Obtaining Countrywide loans

Sen. Chucky Schumer --- How to initiate a run on a bank

Jesse Jackson ---- Marital fidelity and Castration

John Edwards ---- Ambulance Chasing and Spousal support in time of need

Sen. Theodore Kennedy --- Driver education and How to stop a pending autopsy

James McGreevey ---- Gay rights

Mayor Ray Nagin --- Emergency evacuation preparations

Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick – Email etiquette in the workplace

Al Sharpton ---- Race relations

Sen. Evan Bayh --- How to ignore the Liberal wing of the Democratic Party and support the war in Iraq

Al Gore --- Snow Removal

Louis Farrakhan --- Muslims in America and Muslim in the White House

Posted by: gary | August 25, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Black Militant white hating racist will be proud of her country again?

THEY - Keep raising the bar - Militant Michelle NObama raging againt Whitey

"My Grandmother is a typical white" Barry NObama spitting at the White Race

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Why is it Hillary's responsibility to sell this loser Obama to Americans? If he really wanted her supporters, he would have made her VP.

Posted by: Mandy | August 25, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"whose real legacy is welfare reform, a balanced budget and NAFTA; all co-opted Republican positions"

OMG, did you actually admit that everything good about clinton was stolen and that the credit is due the Rs. so the only winning Dem of the last 50 or more years was really a DINO and liberals will never win.

QED

It is true. I finally found a Liberal who doesn't burst into flame when he tells the truth.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry we failed you, Hillary. We should had worked harder - we should had worked smarter. Now we must accept Obama as our Commander-In-Chief, tutored by Biden, our new "Dick Cheney".

Posted by: Louie | August 25, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's legacy doesn't put food on my table or clothes on my kid's back, and it doesn't keep my younger brothers from being drafted if McCain becomes elected and decides we need to fight Russia to protect Georgia's borders and fight Iran at the same time.

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | August 25, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Shiniqua Obama speaking from the pulpit.

I thought her name was Michelle Latrina Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"those tensions are largely centered on former President Bill Clinton and his belief that he and his administration were unfairly maligned by Obama during the primary process."

So, Bill Clinton is offended because someone in his own party is finally speaking thr truth about his administration. This is rich. As someone who worked as a fed in a policy job during Bill Clinton's second term, he will be very fortunate if future historians don't roast him over a spit when his policies are more closely examined. The Man From Hope whose real legacy is welfare reform, a balanced budget and NAFTA; all co-opted Republican positions. It's unbelievable Obama must put up with this egotistical fool with so many serious problems facing us.

Posted by: maxfli | August 25, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Howdy - how come Bill didn't get the family values speech assigned to him?

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

How ridiculous is the idea that embracing the Clintons is anti-change when you have put a 36 year senate veteran on your ticket, have been endorsed early by the likes of Edward Kennedy (who hijacked the 1980 convention, unlike the Clintons who have been civil), Tom Daschle, and John Kerry, have only provided rhetoric and then backflipped out of major policy positions on FISA, NAFTA, gun control, the death penalty, etc...

Chris, you are being an embarassing media shill to the nomination campaign, which is OVER. That campaign was in fact about maligning HRC while not showing how he would actually do anything differently- in fact producing LESS ambitious policy proposals.

Now we are stuck with him. As a leftist, I can't vote for the "dirty R word" party- no more right wing rule. I will be a pragmatist for one more election cycle and back the naked emporer- but his campaign was the most politically motivated manipulation in the history of presidential campaigns and that is saying a lot after the last 2.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

It's really aggravating to watch Obama blunder. He's is blowing this election big time. His strategy of dissing the Clinton's and Bill's legacy did not help in the primaries - he lost every battleground state. Hillary won the big states because she connected with voters on economic issues. Now at the convention, instead of letting Bill Clinton talk about the economy and the prosperous times we had in the 90s, which is the best argument the Dems have, Obama is forcing Clinton to talk about how great a commander-in-chief Obama will be on security matters. Laughable and pathetic.

CBS Reports:

One flashpoint is the assigned speech topic for former president Bill Clinton, who is scheduled to speak Wednesday night, when the convention theme is “Securing America’s Future.” The night’s speakers will argue that Obama would be a more effective commander in chief than his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.).

The former president is disappointed, associates said, because he is eager to speak about the economy and more broadly about Democratic ideas - emphasizing the contrast between the Bush years and his own record in the 1990s.

This is an especially sore point for Bill Clinton, people close to him say, because among many grievances he has about the campaign Obama waged against his wife is a belief that the candidate poor-mouthed the political and policy successes of his two terms.

Posted by: howdy999 | August 25, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Observer - it would help to open your eyes.

Only one problem with your "analysis", typical of Liberal analysis. It takes all the facts and ignores them and then it inserts loony opinion and reasons from there.

all the kooks are this siite are hillary and Obama die hards, taking shots at each other and of course dissappointed Dems, a perpetual state for them these days.

the reality doesn't fit your perverted world view, so you concoct another in the long line of wacky conspiracies whereby they are all paid McCain shills doing god's work.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

“No, No, No, No, No. Not God Bless America it’s God Damn America” NObama Pastor of 20 years preaching Hate America, Hate whitey and Hate the Jew.

This my friends was Barry NOBama’s preacher for 20 years and he only left when media pressure came down on him.

Posted by: Cgevy | August 25, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, DEM Convention 2008.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama speaking from the pulpit.

Hair flooded with Afro Sheen,

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open.

Brow furrowed, and a scowl of hate written across her face.

"Fist Pumping" the air in an absolute rage".

All the while ranting against "Whiety" and how they keep raising the bar!

The congregation is worked into a frenzy "SCREAMING"

You Go Girl" Bring it Home Sister Obama, etc.

This, my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Chevy - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Latest cute McCain ad videos:

Clinton supporter says it's okay to vote for McCain
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597YG23mAWs)

Joe Biden comments about Obama, McCain
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8)

Obama passes over Clinton because the truth hurts
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NrQ36Djf2E&feature=user)

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Like the rest of his half-baked ideas, Obama has made the horrible mistake of a naif when he called for a complete change in Washington protocol. Oh buh-ruh-ther.

Ain't gonna happen, Barry. Institutions like political machinery, higher education, the Church, medicine, whatever, love the blood of rebels. The "powers" are fed with that blood and there is a never ending supply of it. Rebels never win. Never. They have to capitulate, eventually (just like Barry will have to and has already) and they never are able to hold onto the "values" they fought for. Never. They lose their idealistic and disappointed supporters and the cycle of reformation is started all over again. It's one of the the metaphysic maxims of culture.

Shoulda stuck with Hillary, y'all. That one knows how to deal with the cigar smokin' VFW types who love a good bourbon and coke and who like a clean t*tty bar at the convention. She's been through it and knows how to broker change -- not just stomp her little hoof like Barry thinks he has to. Takes more than a cult of personality, Barry. Shoulda listened to Hillary.

A "green" political convention?!?! Mercy, the only thing green in that convention are the babes who think they're really changing something.

The last thing we need is another freakin' idealist. We don't need another philosophy. We needed someone with some gonads who knows the murky deep waters of the corridors of power. Uh, that'd be Hillary.

Posted by: Choirboy | August 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Look at these low-life dems take the low road and go on the persojal attack train verses debunking my post.

I take that as a compliment and they know my posts are 100% accurate.

Thanks Punks - keep with the personl attacks, speaks more about you then its intended audiance.

King Chevy - Whipping DEM butt as always

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Chris - Are you noticing how increasingly hysterical and over the top the paid McCain blogging crowd is getting once we started identifying them as such? Now, do us all a favor and find some way of preventing this sort of trash (and these trash) from cluttering up this site. Most of us are interested in analysis and debate, not in mindless name calling and I certain you don't like hosting these vermin. BTW, your site was featured on Drudge, Fox, and Limbaugh in case you are wondering where all of these cockroaches came from.

Posted by: Observer | August 25, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Michelle will be "fist pumping" the air raging against Whitey "THEY-keep raising the bar" as she's done in the past?

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:26 PM
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I wonder if you will keep dressing in Drag pretending to be Jane Goodall

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Punk - To chicken to sign your name.

I noticed you attack Homo's verses debunking my post about Michelle.

Thanks for the confirmation of my post being right.

Happy name-calling punk!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Chevy: (This is too easy.)
I expect that you know quite a lot about fist pumping.

Posted by: crazytrain | August 25, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

this blog today is an accuarate representation of the intellectual, spiritual and moral heft of the Liberal Democrat party.

And you wonder why you all keep losing. It is right in front of your face.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I expected more from Obama, and he has disappointed me. Instead of unifying us, he continues to divide us. JFK showed his greatness by choosing LBJ as his running mate. Obama is very petty. I will vote for McCain in November: an eye for an eye.

Posted by: Laura | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM

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Please Laura. The man can pick who ever he wants as his VP. I usually punish my children for acting like the way you are. Go ahead and throw your tantrum, but try to grow up and act like an adult before November 4th.

Posted by: Rahwaj | August 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Michelle will be "fist pumping" the air raging against Whitey "THEY-keep raising the bar" as she's done in the past?

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:26 PM
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I wonder if you will keep dressing in Drag pretending to be Jane Goodall

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Michelle will be "fist pumping" the air raging against Whitey "THEY-keep raising the bar" as she's done in the past?

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Why is Michelle wearing these Sears tents all of a sudden. Is she pregnant, or just becoming the pig she is.

Posted by: muskrat | August 25, 2008 5:23 PM
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Shopping from your father's closet I suspect

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Liberals don't do well with women? I thought that they were in favor of all forms of sexual combinations and license.
Unless, wait a minute--you mean that they WOULD like all of this, but women don't dig it--unless it is right wing sex--the sort of closed-door porn fetish of Clarence Thomas that they really want?

Posted by: crazytrain | August 25, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I expected more from Obama, and he has disappointed me. Instead of unifying us, he continues to divide us. JFK showed his greatness by choosing LBJ as his running mate. Obama is very petty. I will vote for McCain in November: an eye for an eye.

Posted by: Laura | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM
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Thanks for pointing that out...all remaining TARDS please follow that crazy biotch

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama seems to want to placate everyone. That is why I cannot vote for him. I work hard everyday for what I have, and I have little desire to hand it off through more taxes to those that do not. Everything doesn't need to be subsidized. Some things need to be earned.

Posted by: lkirk | August 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Last election, I was for Howard Dean during primary. I had no problem voting for John Kerry against Bush. In fact, I send him hefty donation money.

In 1992 when Bill Clinton ran, I voted for Jerry Brown during primary, I also had NO problem whatsover to vote for Clinton against Bush I.

I voted for many black candidates in California. Example Tom Bradley for mayor (few times) and governor (2); Mervyn Dymally for Deptuty Governor. So, I know I have no prejudice against black candidates.

Why is it that I just can not vote for Barack Obama? Biden is fine.

I just have feeling now that Obama-Biden will have no bounch after convention in Denver. They may carry less states than Kerry-Edwards. Obama will lose McCain.

Posted by: Paul | August 25, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Why is Michelle wearing these Sears tents all of a sudden. Is she pregnant, or just becoming the pig she is.

Posted by: muskrat | August 25, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Will the negress prop each child on her hips whilst she speaks tonight? You know, Sashawan and Maleawan. Her baby's daddy will be proud.

Posted by: PeaPod | August 25, 2008 5:11 PM
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Your mother and father were brother and sister weren't they?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Can't you back-benchers @ the WashingtonCompost find another story to write about?

Everyday same crap differen't heading

Here's some Headline Hints idiots!!

Will Biden's past Lies become NObama's Death Wish?

Will Biden's Knock Againt Black Mothers Haunt him?

The list is endless.

YOU at the WashingtomCompost

Grow a Pair!

Chevy - Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

To the fool Waldo who produced some gas about democracy and dictatorship -

Well fool, dictatorship does not need to happen where citizens are cowering under batons and guns. It could be more subtle.

Today in Putin's Russia, the people voted and gave 90% of their vote to the morons at the top. Was it true democracy?

In the dem primaries, the pondscum media ganged up, and decided that they wanted Nobama. Since they, the supersmart media already decided, who are we? Then they foisted that neophyte onto us, with the help of 18 mil gullible fools (many of whom are fraternity going college morons, too drunk to understand anything, and just voted Nobama to impress the sorority girl).

So, in a way, we were already living in a faux democracy, where the pimpy media made the decisions for a whole bunch of fools.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 25, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

By choosing Biden he has chosen to toss away the votes that were necessary to give him a substantial lead. It will now be an uphill fight. Hillary could have given him the edge and he decided to throw that away. Plan on lots of votes that belong to the Democrats now going over even more solidly to the Republicans. McCain is such a loser and the Democratic party is going to partner putting him into the White House.

Posted by: buzzsaw | August 25, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Diane72 and McRich McCrash McDstudent McCain: Please take your meds.

Posted by: Lily | August 25, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Contemplate, you Republicans and Hillarites, one thing:

DICK CHENEY

I retract everything I have said in this space. If the trash spoken here is democracy at work, I want dictatorship. And, frankly my friends, that's already what we got. So let's get serious giving absolute power to the President. McCain is close but not good enough.

Let's all sit in a dark room together, you Hillary people can hold hands if you want, and think the words of the present and the future United States of America:

Dick Cheney!

Posted by: walden | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I expected more from Obama, and he has disappointed me. Instead of unifying us, he continues to divide us. JFK showed his greatness by choosing LBJ as his running mate. Obama is very petty. I will vote for McCain in November: an eye for an eye.

Posted by: Laura | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

You can not vote for a candidate who plays the race card - That's Obama.

Think. Why did more than 90% of the black voters vote against Clinton? Is Senator Clinton not progressive enough in addressing the black citizens' rights?

No, the black voters voted overwhelmingly for Obama was stemmed from the "black pride" that was stired up by the Obama campaign and his black surrogates.

That's playing the race card, my friends.

Posted by: GY | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The Party belongs to the members--not the Clintons. The members cast their votes and Obama won.

The Clintons' incessant whining and demands are wearing thin. The Party does not owe the Clintons a thing; further, the Clintons are not entitled to anything. Raising one's hand for public service is not a guarantee of selection--some who volunteer are chosen, some are rejected--that's the way democracy works.

Posted by: Catherine | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Jane: Why should Obama have taken Clinton? She has no more experience than he does. She has no foreign policy experience. She ran her own campaign into the ground and had to borrow money. She indecisive about her message. Then instead of accepting defeat she went on a scorched earth policy like Willam T. Sherman blazing through Georgia in the Civil War.

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

To those Clinton supporters who are not happy with sending a donation to Barack Obama, please donate to Hillary Clinton's senate re-election campaign at:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1&sc=2446

You can also view her beautiful little thank you video for supporting her presidential candidacy there.

Even small amounts add up online, like the price of a lunch.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 5:14 PM
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She is still in debt??? Wow she sucks at managing money huh

Posted by: Aspergum | August 25, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The more you attack Clinton, the more your hatred shows. The Democratic party has become the party of hatred.

Posted by: Rose | August 25, 2008 5:16 PM
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Not True...I only hate stupid people like you

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Liberals have very little experience with women. That's probably why they get so little action. Wake up and smell the coffee, you left-wing losers: if Obama really wanted our vote, he would have made Clinton the VP. But Obama doesn't understand women: he's just a whipped intellectual loser.

Posted by: Mila | August 25, 2008 5:15 PM
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and you are fat and lonely living a failed dream...fatty

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The more you attack Clinton, the more your hatred shows. The Democratic party has become the party of hatred.

Posted by: Rose | August 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hell hath no fury like millions of women scorned.

Posted by: Tammy | August 25, 2008 5:12 PM

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Then change your liners..that usually helps

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Liberals have very little experience with women. That's probably why they get so little action. Wake up and smell the coffee, you left-wing losers: if Obama really wanted our vote, he would have made Clinton the VP. But Obama doesn't understand women: he's just a whipped intellectual loser.

Posted by: Mila | August 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Contemplate, you Republicans and Hillarites, one thing:

DICK CHENEY

I retract everything I have said in this space. If the trash spoken here is democracy at work, I want dictatorship. And, frankly my friends, that's already what we got. So let's get serious giving absolute power to the President. McCain is close but not good enough.

Let's all sit in a dark room together, you Hillary people can hold hands if you want, and think the words of the present and the future United States of America:

Dick Cheney!

Posted by: walden | August 25, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

To those Clinton supporters who are not happy with sending a donation to Barack Obama, please donate to Hillary Clinton's senate re-election campaign at:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1&sc=2446

You can also view her beautiful little thank you video for supporting her presidential candidacy there.

Even small amounts add up online, like the price of a lunch.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

What a loser, that Obama. He really likes fighting with women. How dumb of him.

Posted by: Celia | August 25, 2008 5:10 PM
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Is your girdle cutting the circulation off to your small brain? You are a really kind of...retarded eh?

Posted by: Bill C | August 25, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

What is this, a third world country that has to kiss butt to a previous dictator?

This is not a male/female issue. This campaign is about
*ecomic problems
*energy issues
*housing nightmare
*poor judgement in Irak and Afghanistan.

If the 45+ women are still pushing the gender issue, maybe they do not have the required experience to make the right decissions.

If the pro Hillary group keep on pushing against Obama, it would be a sad moment for this country. We have to control the moronic gene to win this election. This is a democracy... Obama won. let's move on into a new and bright page of political evolution in this country.

Posted by: PCM1 | August 25, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Hell hath no fury like millions of women scorned.

Posted by: Tammy | August 25, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Enough is enough: Obama could have unified the party by choosing Clinton. Instead, he chose to go it alone. Fine: go it alone. But don't expect our votes.

Posted by: Sandra | August 25, 2008 5:09 PM
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Then go eat a damn twinkie, sit down and shut up!!!

Posted by: Sandra's Mom | August 25, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Will the negress prop each child on her hips whilst she speaks tonight? You know, Sashawan and Maleawan. Her baby's daddy will be proud.

Posted by: PeaPod | August 25, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

What a loser, that Obama. He really likes fighting with women. How dumb of him.

Posted by: Celia | August 25, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is a gracious, confident winner. The Clintonistas owe him much respect.

Have your catharsis - make it a good one.


Then, either get on board, or get the hell out. Enough time has been wasted on all of this pity party garbage and it is time to move on.

Posted by: Susan | August 25, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Enough is enough: Obama could have unified the party by choosing Clinton. Instead, he chose to go it alone. Fine: go it alone. But don't expect our votes.

Posted by: Sandra | August 25, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

There can be no unity after Obama's final slap in the face. The days of women "falling in line" are over.

Posted by: Emily | August 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussein Obama

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | August 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Abandon the Democratic party while you can. It's a cesspool of sexism.

Posted by: Sandy | August 25, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I would like to apologize on behalf of Mr. Obama. Ahem...This is for Hillary and all of her supporters. I'm am sorry that Mr. Obama didn't "wait for his turn" to run for President. Even though he is making history himself, he should have been more thoughtful before "stealing" Hillary's chance of becoming the first female President. Since this is obviously about putting a woman in the White House, all other matters are unimportant. Who cares that $10-$12 BILLION dollars per month is being spent on a war effort that we shouldn't have entered in the first place. What does it matter that mulitple homes McCain can't connect to the common citizen while he ponders tax breaks to the uber rich, like he and his wife, while he walks around in $500 dollar shoes? Hell, who cares that he voted AGAINTS equal pay for women in the work place? What does it even matter that McCain's campaign issued a commercial that should make every Clinton supporter's blood boil as he frivolously used Hillary's image to play on your feelings, when the reality is that it is nothing but a slap in the face to Hillary and her supporters? I'm sorry that everyone else is putting the needs of the country ahead of your hurt feelings. All that matters is that you get your "revenge" for Obama ruining Hillary's "rightful" place in history. We're all so, so sorry. [/sarcasm]

Posted by: Rahwaj | August 25, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Obama's middle name Hussein? That's really gonna help in November.

Posted by: Jon | August 25, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow have you Clintards been lapping from the bowl of ignorance again? Really outside of you...noone really gives a dayum about Slick Will or Hilldawg. And you fat old bitys and pansey men that want to continue the fight bring it. We can use the Kool-aid to pour on your self-inflicted open wounds that will not heal you bunch of tards!

Posted by: Bubba Who? | August 25, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Placate the Clintons?
Why?
It's the American public which needs to be placated, thank you very much. We are trying to recover from an eight-year sickness here, in case you hadn't noticed.
Now stay focused, folks.
You can safely ignore Cillizza.

Posted by: wardropper | August 25, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Chris, you asked the wrong question. It isn't "Can Obama placate the Clintons?". What it ought to be is "Do the Clintons want to stay in the political process?" It is not up to Obama to soothe Bill Clinton's unconquerable ego.

And let's look at the Clinton presidency. He did do some very, very good things. He also, in part though Hillary's ham-handed efforts to go too far too fast with health care reform, managed to scare the country into taking Democratic control away from both houses of Congress for the first time in decades. And his inability to keep his you-know-what in his pants and subsequent unwillingness to tell the truth about it almost completely crippled his second term.

And when you get down to it, while he did encourage great fiscal restraint (compared to Republicans), the economy was doing so well mainly because of the dot-com boom (a creation of the stock market and overeager investors, not Clinton). It turned out to be almost as much of a "bubble" as the current housing mess, starting to crash before Clinton even left office.

Former Presidents have a role to serve to help out the political party who helped get them elected. Clinton seems to have forgotten this. That's really too bad, because all his current whining will do is continue to diminish such good reputation as he does deserve.

Posted by: wkorn | August 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

This guy Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He's just inflamed millions of Democrats. Again.

Posted by: Janet | August 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl re: your post on August 25, 2008 4:47 PM
For once, we whole heartedly agree.I would further add that public employees receive salaries and benefits that no one in the private sector can ever hope for...plus, as a group, they are legally insane. In my community, a small town of 340 homes, we have always had septic tanks. Someone at city hall got it into their heads that we needed a brand spanking new sewer system, so, without a vote, without any puyblic input, our local government has added a 25 million dollar sewer syetem. Now, it might not be so bad if they had a way to pay for it, but they don't. So, we now are anticipating $250 a month AND HIGHER sewer system accessments. I wonder how many people are going to loose their homes over this? Oh, and *most* of those public employees don't live in our town. They just collect the benefits, which include medical and dental care for them and their family (for life, by the way....it continues on as a part of their retirement benefit), a retirement system that grants them the average of their highest three years of salary (with COL adjustments!), and salaries that are 50% or more what atheir private sector counterparts receive.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

why would anyone expect bama to tap hillary when her own husband refuses to do so. he hasn't tapped that bigbutt in decades, and can you blame him? ah hahahahaha

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN: "We are all Georgians"
BARACK OBAMA: "It's better to have Georgian mansion and ignore a brother George who ekes out an existence in a hut than to have several houses"

Let's look at some Obama family housing assets:

(1) Barack Obama: Georgian mansion w/7 fireplaces in Chicago
(2) George Obama: 1 hut in Kenya


"Sen. Barack Obama has a problem. And it lives in a hut.

"His name is George Hussein Onyango Obama, and he is the 26-year-old half brother of Mr. Obama, the multimillionaire autobiographer who neglected to write that his paternal sibling lives on less than a dollar a month in the outer slums of Nairobi, Kenya.

"They have met twice."

...

"The Texas GOP is accusing Barack Obama of leaving his own family out to dry after reports surfaced that his half-brother George is living in a run-down hut in Kenya.

"The Daily Telegraph and other publications have recently drawn attention to the unusual report in the Italian edition of Vanity Fair, which tracked down George Hussein Onyango in the outskirts of Nairobi.

"He apparently spoke to the magazine for the first time, telling them he lives on less than a dollar a month, and that “no one knows who I am.”

"The Republican Party of Texas released a Web video Friday seizing on the story, in response to Obama’s earlier ad mocking John McCain for allegedly not knowing how many homes he and his wife Cindy own."

(http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/25/texas-gop-hits-obama-for-story-on-lost-half-brother/)

"In a post eight months ago, I asked the question, Why is ‘Grandma Obama’ Still Living in a Hut? Yesterday, I published a post about the discovery of another Barack Obama relative — a half-brother — living in a hut in Africa...

"...so few of the major news media outlets have offered any coverage of the discovery, by a writer for the Italian edition of Vanity Fair, of George Hussein Onyango Obama living in a hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi."

(http://bobmccarty.com/2008/08/22/media-silent-about-obamas-hut-dwelling-sibling/)

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

This comment section is a disgrace. Chris Cillizza are you really getting anything from this? I have never seen such whacko, mean-spirited, useless vitriol on any other comment site. Shut it down.

Posted by: gk | August 25, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Of all the things and race and sex cards Nobama played in the primary, none was worse than comparing Pres Clinton to Nixon.

Then he has the gall to ask HRC supporters for their vote.

This guy has no sense of shame whatsoever.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I have to say I love the 5,000-word comments by the "McFailed Pilot McOOOIIIILLLL Millionaire McSeven Mansions McFailures" lunatic. The high-functioning insane are hilarious. Plus it's nice to see that those with mental problems are natural Obama voters.

Relax, I don't think he speaks for all Obama supporters. Just most of them.

Posted by: AK | August 25, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

i want to know what political mechanism can be used to get Hillary the Senate Majority Leadership post - maybe we can get John McCain to give Reid one of those properties out there in the Southwest - he can step down and the deal can be made now to give this post over to Hillary when Obama wins. Now that stroke would win the election and a few more Senate seats to boot. Makes her third in line for the Prez so she can have Bill hire some downscaler from Arkansas to get rid of the other two

Posted by: John Post | August 25, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has not been "insulted" by Obama as some of the more "crybabyish" of her supporters claim. It was her choice not to be considered as VP. Furthermore, the position is not an entitlement for anyone. Nobody "owes" anybody anything. That's not the way it works and I'm sure that HRC is a big girl who understands that.

Posted by: Artisan1 | August 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Nice job of placating by selecting an old racist phony like Biden. Any guy who gets hair implants at age 60 is phonier than Obama - and that's hard to accomplish.

Posted by: muskrat | August 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do, I suspect," Biden sniped at the voter. "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship." That claim was false, as was another claim, made in the same rant, that he graduated in the top half of his law-school class. Biden wrongly stated, too, that he had earned three undergraduate degrees, when in fact he had earned one—a double major in history and political science. Another round of press inquiries followed, and Biden finally withdrew from the race on Sept. 23.

We don't need actual candidates. we just make them up. we b Libs.

Posted by: Lib inventions | August 25, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I would have voted for Obama if he made Clinton the VP. Now I'll either stay home or vote for Nader,

Posted by: Rachel | August 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

>>"Can we make Joe Biden the Presidential candidate? Obama seems like VP material."

He's not VP material because a VP has to bring something to a ticket.

Obama might be a good VP in about 8 years if he actually does something tangible after he loses the general election this Fall.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

How does one square a round peg? Sen. Obama is not planning to step aside;so he is confronted with the impossible task. He should, as he is doing, focus his attention on explaining his message and its impact on the lives of the American people.

Posted by: Ed Polite | August 25, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Send a message to the Democatic party: vote McCain.

Posted by: Isabel | August 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters: get over it. You won't get the votes of Clinton supporters, because you chose to insult her. Take responsibility for your actions.

Posted by: Janice | August 25, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Would Obama supporters have fallen in line if Clinton won the nomination? Would they have been silent if he was denied the VP spot? The Democrats are a bunch of sexist hypocrites.

Posted by: Michelle | August 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse


Diane72 again?

My God, there is no filter on these posts for low class crap.

As for the Queen of England, she'll be the first to invite for tea, and will be delighted. After Barbaa Bush, so boring aand Hillary, so fat and pushy.

A little class will suit everyone. Europe is very, very excited and vry very pro
Obama.

HAD you heard, or you're too busy mouthing off to read any interntional papers.

Posted by: disgusted. | August 25, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the Clintonistas have hijacked this site.
Lets get over it folks. Madame Clinton lost the nomination.
To the victor goes the spoils.
It is the responsibility of the nominee to select his VP.
If the Clintonistas want to vote for McCain because their canidate was not selected TOUGH.
I would not want to be the one who denied the Democrats the White House and put the Republicans back in for a third and posibly a fourth term.
Being angry is fine but to wreck Obama's chanches simply because your Girl was not selected is foolish, dumb and undemocratic.
How can they call themselves democrats? As Marion Barry said
" Get over it"

Posted by: Caprin | August 25, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic party has been hijacked by the extreme left. By insulting Clinton, the Democrats have made a fatal mistake.

Posted by: Sara | August 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Despite his race, I am amazed by what Senator Obama has accomplished. I have been in this country for 5 years and when I arrived I was struck at how poor and uneducated most blacks are. I could never figure out why most had children out of wedlock, sold drugs, and were in jail. I suppose it is the slave metality from generations ago but at some point they will have to take responsibility. I think that is the reason Senator Obama appeals to so many whites because he isn't 100% black. He has a black face but the mentality of a white person. That makes the vote palatable and they can feel good about themselves. I doubt many of these white voters would go for an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson - just too black and they are for more representative of the black American - not Barack Obama.

Posted by: Rahiq | August 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I met a socialist lib once in an airport bathroom. He gave me the best tug and blow job I ever got in my entire life.

Posted by: LarryG62 | August 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama could have unified the Democratic party by choosing Clinton as his VP, but instead he chose to be divisive. If he can't unite his own part, how can he unite the country? I am no longer a Democrat.

You are so right Jane! The man is starting to beleive his own press. That's change for you! Now I'm otta here

Posted by: Dave L. | August 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

>>Lily wrote: "My guess is that all those "hillbillies" in Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia and Ohio" have good reason not to vote for the party of tolerance and inclusion."

Yeah, all these blue collar people like electricians, carpenters, contractors, farmers dragging tractors around their land, and all these other people with 6- and 7-figure small businesses and estates who work hard to build their businesses and support their families, that you want to tax to support your no-load liberal arts degree, birkenstock-wearing, C-average journalism major utopia that allows you to barely work while sneering down at "low information" voters.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

http://www.slate.com/id/2198543

Why Biden's plagiarism should not be forgotten

Posted by: FAIL | August 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Hoossein should stick to playing basketball, and let Biden make the important decisions.

Posted by: Jeff | August 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Those Hillay supporters that just cant let go really should see a shrink and find out why because its not normal and theres help for people like them and help for those GOP trolls pretending to be her supporters,well i take that back no amount of help would help the trolls they are beyond help.

Posted by: sharon | August 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Can we make Joe Biden the Presidential candidate? Obama seems like VP material.

Posted by: Mack | August 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, the charade will go on this week. The democrats will try to convince the voters that they are something they aren't, fair, moderate, tough on defense, considerate of others, positive on our future, fiscally responsible and able to govern.
I don't care if it's the rookie, his hateful wife, the little snit from Delaware or even the Clinton witch. They are hateful, extreme liberals who will bankrupt our economy, disarm our military, appease the muslims, and promote abortion and perverse homosexual marriage.
Don't see how any well meaning, right minded people can fall for their BS or their socialist plans for the nation.

Posted by: LarryG62 | August 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I keep reading about "concerns' over Obama's experience. Well about Cheney/Bush - they lied to the country and started an unprovoked unnecessary war that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of human lives and then there is the obscene cost to the American tax papyers. C'mon, gimme a break. There are not many people who could have done a worse job. Any Dem will be better than these tax the poor to give to the rich liers.

Posted by: Madeleine | August 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

In the interest of getting my husband elected. I am now willing to bite the bullet and say I like Amurika now.

Posted by: Latrina Obama | August 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are the party of chickens: if they had any guts, they would have picked Clinton as VP. But they are spineless, left-wing, America-hating liberals. The Democrats should rename themselves "the Chicken Party of America".

Posted by: Bob | August 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Famous Irish-American Presidents

Andrew Jackson
James Buchanan
Ulysses S Grant
Grover Cleveland
William McKinley
Woodrow Wilson
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Ronald Wilson Reagan
William Jefferson Clinton
Barry Barack O’bama

President and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama Contrast With D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain


Growing Up

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain was privileged, given everything by both parents, and worked for nothing.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama grew up poor, raised by his Irish-American single white mother and Irish-American white working class maternal grand parents. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama was given nothing and worked for everything.

Education

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain was a D student and graduated last in his class. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain and McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire share failed academic records. He partied constantly and dependent on favor handouts from his high ranking father and grandfather. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain earned nothing on his own similar to McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain is also Internet illiterate which slows down his information processing capacity. Is this good for the country?


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama worked hard and became PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW. Everything that Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama accomplished he did on his own. Irish-American Barack Obama’s HARVARD Scholarship ranks among the best. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s hard work represents the American Dream.


Community Service

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain poor studies translated into poor performances in the military where he crashed several planes and recklessly endangered the lives of others. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain was never trusted by his colleagues nor loved by his peers. The highlight of D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain’s career was getting shot down and becoming a prisoner. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain served his country by getting handouts from his guards. Getting handouts seems to be D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain’s modem of operations. Will McSuper Rich Seven Mansions McCain, who finished 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy and who lost five jets, return competence to the White House? To lose one plane over Vietnam may be a heroic tragedy; to lose five planes here and there is carelessness.

Irish-American Barack Obama turned down large profits after graduating from HARVARD LAW to serve the community in Chicago where help was needed most. The community learned to trust and love Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama for his dedication to public service.


Marriage

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain walked out on his family to chase a younger woman who was on drugs, embezzling money from her company, stealing, and facing criminal charges, until her privileged family saved her from trial. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain’s dysfunctional family represents chaos and lack of respect when he curses her in public.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama married an intelligent IVY LEAGUE attorney and adores his beautiful young daughters. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s First Family represents what America is striving for. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama has always been surrounded by and still maintains a great respect for women (Irish mother, Irish grandmother, sister, wife, and two daughters). If anyone is in tune with and favors the betterment of working American women, then it’s Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

International Diplomacy

The World wants no more chaotic McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain.


The World loves Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama and will follow America’s leadership behind Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

If D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain had to make another emergency landing on a deserted island with Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama onboard as one of the passengers, then it is safe to say that D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain would assume the role of Gilligan, while Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama would assume the role of the professor.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Funny seeing the GOP concern trolls on here worrying about poor Hillary's feelings, when their tune was so different during their own primary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/25/115715/026/957/574683


Calling Hillary a "#itch"? Hilarious!

Posted by: Drain You | August 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

>>Diane72 wrote: "Can anyone here tell me how good it feels to have a 12 inch Alabama Black Snake penetrate your cornhole? I'd love to try it."

Yeah, it feels pretty good. I highly recommend sex with black men. You should try it sometime.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary lost. Get over it! I did. If you support democratic values such as those delineated in our constitution, the solution is simple - elect the Democratic Candidate. If your goal is to ruin America and continue its drive towards facism, elect the Republican. If you simply want Hillary, don't bother voting, but do not ruin this country's future out of spite; you are only hurting yourself, and others who are not millionares.

Finally, I have found that most Repulicans I know (I live in Orange County, Ca, the bastian of Republicans) THINK they are rich because they make between $100k and $200k. Newsflash - you are not rich, and the Republican taxes measures do not favor you. Wake up ! ! !

Posted by: The Proletariat | August 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

JFK hated Johnson, but he picked him as his VP in order to unify the party. Clearly, Obama is not JFK. It looks like Obama is gonna be yet another noble loser, in the tradition of Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry.

Posted by: Beth | August 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that all those "hillbillies" in Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia and Ohio" have good reason not to vote for the party of tolerance and inclusion. It's just that kind of snotty, elitest attitude on the part of the Democrats that tends to come back and bite them in the butt. Kinda shows the shallowness of the liberal mind and self-centeredness of the liberal mind. (And I use that term loosely.)

Posted by: Lily | August 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary would have united the Democratic party like no other."
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And as an added bonus she would have united the Republican party like no other as well.

Posted by: GObama | August 25, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats lack common sense. Why would Clinton Democrats care at all about Biden? He's a gasbag loser. The Left just wanted to insult Hillary.

Posted by: Mavis | August 25, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Hillary? Air and Ice. These two do not gel well. The chemistry would have been awful. And the press would be asking Bill to second quess Obama's policies everyday. It would be a real disaster and aside from her Dem supporters there were a huge number of people who will not vote for her no matter what. I hope she keeps her speech tonigh Pro O and short short short. The Clintons at this time are sucking the energy out of the Obama - Biden ticket and we cannot afford to give them so much prime time.

Posted by: Madeleine | August 25, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Her loyalty extends to her forcing me to wear this ridiculous Hillary Clinton collar. Her dog."

I am glad children have put us in a position that we have to accept Obama without regard to his inexperience, pandering, etc. Worst then that would be McCain, but at least he did not get the nomination from "newbe" voters who rallied for Obama based on all the wrong reasons. It really should have been Clinton! I'm otta here! We're all in big trouble we just don't know it yet!

Posted by: Dave L. | August 25, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

>>sophie wrote: "Diane72: I am sure [Michelle Obama] will not hang any African art in the public areas of the White House..."

Actually, African art is very cool. But we're not Africans, we're Americans. People who are dark-skinned seem to forget that.

Many of the people associated with the Obamas as adults seem to feel more unity with Africans than "European Americans", or even with Democrats in their own party, like the Clintons. It reinforces the ongoing Republican script that the Obamas are whatever they are fonder of foreigners than the white people in their own community and American.

This ugly and mentally ill hatred of the Clintons undermines Obama more than it does the Clintons.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse


The yapping women who still support HIllary

and won't shut up, wouldn't shut up no matter what was/is done. If they win what they want, they get nothing. How stupid is that?

But they're getting some ATTENTION! Probably the first time in years, poor old things.

They give us women a bad name, and lack the conception that effort (or loud noise from loud mouths) is better when there's a
plausible outcome.

Posted by: weary | August 25, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama could have unified the Democratic party by choosing Clinton as his VP, but instead he chose to be divisive. If he can't unite his own part, how can he unite the country? I am no longer a Democrat.

Posted by: Jane | August 25, 2008 4:33 PM

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Don't let the door hit you on the way out. The woman is a snake, only concerned about her own ambitions. Her conduct during the primaries showed the kind of slime the Clintons are and we don't want them anywhere near the White House. She now can sit back and enjoy all the ammunition she provided in McCain commercials.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

President McCain. Get used to it, you'll be hearing it a lot after January 20.

Posted by: RealisticLib | August 25, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve, you are quite clever.

The Obama's can't be Muslim. She WAS eating a pork bbq sandwich.

Which brings up another point. Black people who are concerned that the Obama's aren't black enough should now stop being concerned.

Pork BBQ (Chicago style BBQ), Kalua Pork (Hawaiian style BBQ), Tandoori Chicken (Indonesian style BBQ), and BBQ Chicken (Kansas style BBQ) will all be served in the white house when Obama is elected. There won't be clean napkin in the house.

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | August 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

It is amusing to see all the pro-McCain posters here posing as disgruntled Hillary supporters. :-) Who do you think you're fooling, huh?

[laughing]

How pathetic.

Posted by: Sam | August 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Ignorant comments like this, "Obama should forget the Clintons and their ignorant supporters" are one of the reasons Barry is doing so pitiful in the polls. The other main reason is that Barry is an empty suit. We'll see who will be laughing come election day. Cult members will be whining, "HRC supporters cost us the election, but in reality it is the cult members and their childish insults. Bye Bye Barry

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 25, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama hates Clinton so much that he is destroying his own party. This is great for Republicans!

Posted by: Mary | August 25, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama is like an abusive husband, driving away Clinton supporters into the arms of McCain.

Posted by: Beth | August 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes i wonder if there is any hope for our country with all the childest people insisting they cant except that Hillary lost when they know she did and now the little whining crybabies are so bitter they will vote for mccain knowing hes more of the same as we got with bushboy but their not concerned about that just hanging on to their hate for Obama is all that matters to them but they need to grow up and do whats right for our country and they know voting for mccains not it.Well whatever makes them happy but if they cause mccain to win i hope the payback is double worse than they expected.

Posted by: sharon | August 25, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Bill was okay (I voted for him twice), but is the country more important than his "legacy"?

I'd suggest he grow up and quit whining like a child.

Posted by: michael4 | August 25, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama could have unified the Democratic party by choosing Clinton as his VP, but instead he chose to be divisive. If he can't unite his own part, how can he unite the country? I am no longer a Democrat.

Posted by: Jane | August 25, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

So if you are not supporting Obama then there are only two conclusions: you are a GOP troll who really was not supporting Hillary to begin with or...you can't get past the only thing that she shares with McCain.

Posted by: deedee
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Amen. Well-said.

Posted by: abqcleve | August 25, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Bill was okay (I voted for him twice), but is the country more important than his "legacy"?

I'd suggest he grow up and quit whining like a child.

Posted by: michael4 | August 25, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The US Olympic team has shown everyone how to act when your results are not what you expected. The sprinters and many of the gymnasts and swimmers did not give any obvious displays of anger at those who were winners, even when there appeared to be taunting-like behavior. These two 60 year old people (the Clintons) who have reaped the very best from their lives in this country have shown less class in defeat than I sometimes see on what is referred to as wrestling. They have been horrible. I am one whom had minimized some of President Clinton's behavior in the White House. I now do not care how much money he has made or who wants to refer to him as being the so called first Black president. That office interaction with that pubertal woman indicated a lot more than just a frivolous and spontaneous thrill of an uncontrolled man. If they think that leading a sustained action against the candidacy of Senator Obama is what they want, they should be allowed to do as they please. I do not think that it will be worth a hill of beans. They may then be gift wrapped with the candidate of their choice and then we can have an honest public discussion of them all, after the election. This is a good time for the population of America to show this type of public performer where the buck stops with us.

Posted by: Draesop | August 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton is responsible for bringing on this financial crisis by getting rid of Glass Steagall.

Bill Clinton is responsible for the MSM being consolidated into 5 large corporations which brought an END TO FREE PRESS.

Bill Clinton got the benefit of the Internet Commercialization which had NOTHING to do with him.

Clintons should move on.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse


Bill Clinton is NOT A RACIST?

Hell, Billy boy is anything at any time that'll get him what he wants. He has no
compunction, no morals, nothing but a big gross appetite.

if we had a decent MSM some of the stories of Billy Boy and HIllary woul'dve been told long since.

But of course the same people who own the media in the US also got what they wanted fom the Clintons.
(Israel has now about 47% Palestinina land, after 16 years of Bush and Clinton...and Wall Street is so unregulated it has exploded and ruined us.

But the big big money changers are bloated rich and live in their NY Penthouses. Courtesy of the Clintons and the Bob Rubins of the world.

But the Clintons ain't gonna get their payback. Duped.

Wouldn't it be nice to run America for Americans awhile.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that Clinton shares with McCain is the color of their skin. On every major and minor issue they are miles apart. Any true supporter of Hillary Clinton knows that Obama has precisely the same positions and views that Hillary has on women's choice, the economy, and the war in Iraq.

Therefore all true Hillary supporters are now 100 percent behind Obama in this campaign to take back the White House from the disasterous Republican regime.

So if you are not supporting Obama then there are only two conclusions: you are a GOP troll who really was not supporting Hillary to begin with or...you can't get past the only thing that she shares with McCain.

Posted by: deedee | August 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama should forget the Clintons and their ignorant supporters. If he wins or looses... So be it. It will be on his own merit. The attitude of the Clinton supporters and the so called slights to their candidate is exactly why this country is so messed up today.... People so blinded by bullsh it that they can not see Obama is the candidate that best supports their interests... After this we REALLY need to reconsider if hill billies from Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia and Ohio should be allowed to vote.

Posted by: supascience | August 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary doesn't need any help retiring her debt you and the rest of your narrow Obama conspiracy theorists need to crawl back under your rocks.

Posted by: DCDave
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Is that a fact? Then when hasn't she paid it off, leaving all those small businesses holding the bag? Frankly, the second biggest factor that led me to discount her candidacy was her utterly irresponsible campaign finance management. She clearly has no sense at all that she's taken advantage of folks' good will: she waged her destructive "kitchen sink" campaign on borrowed money, with no hope of winning. That, "my friends," is disgusting.


Posted by: abqcleve | August 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

One more thing if you would rather have Bush not having sex in the Oval Office and the economy in the tank vs. Bill Clinton having sex in the Oval office but being smart enough to manage the country, well then you are a complete fool. If Obama wins (50-50) and does a job 1/2 as good as Bill did I will be very very very happy and very very very surprised.

Posted by: DCDave | August 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama should of thought about this when presenting himself as a Reagan economist as opposed to a Clintonist.

Posted by: | August 25, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

GOP Republican Failures Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Mission Accomplish.
GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich Quick By Selling America Party has traded D Student Bush for D Student McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire.
GOP Republican Party of D Students Equals McFailures

America, Europe and the World are tired of selfish, short sighted, backwards thinking and cannibalistic GOP Republican Super-capitalistic failures.

No more GOP Republican Wall Street failures (OOIIILLLL, Wars, Wall Street nose dives, grand larceny of Our Treasury, lies, lies, lies, pathological lies) destruction of Our Country and the World.

Europeans ignored GOP Republican McBush Tour of Europe. The historic Democratic primaries covered exhaustively by European news outlets are not the sole reason the fire has gone out of European GOP Republican McBush-hatred. One of the main sparks fueling it was a deep frustration that Americans couldn't see what Europeans considered obvious: that GOP Republican McBush is a moron.

America, Europe and the World need healing through forward thinking Harvard Law Scholar and Community Leader Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law.

Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law will unite America, Europe and the World in friendship and cooperation.

America the Beautiful United as One America.
No more divisive GOP Republican media induced failures failures failures
No more black black black black black black black black
No more white white white white white white white white white
No more male male male male male male male male male male
No more female female female female female female female
No more Democratic Democratic Democratic Democratic Democratic
No more GOP Republican GOP Republican GOP Republican GOP Republican GOP Republican
No more divisive Wall Street Super-capitalistic greedy Media lies
No more Super-capitalistic sending American jobs overseas to GOP Republican sweatshops
We must stop this GOP Republican hate media (FOX, New Yorker) induced division and hatred

Europe and the World are watching our 2008 Presidential Election to see if we act in dignity and grace or revert back to our penal American colonial, cannibalistic and dumping grounds for old world criminals way. The daughters of the American Revolution quoted the last words spoken to their European ancestors were, For your crimes you will hang from the neck or given the opportunity to take your chances in the New World American Penal Colony.

We will either unite as ONE United States of America World leader or come in second to the expanding European Union.

McBush said Mission Accomplish seven years ago. Now Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire is saying Mission Accomplish to more failures. Perhaps America should dissolve the defunct GOP Republican Party for decades of failures and ruins. The World would welcome such progress. Mission Accomplish.


AN AMERICAN STORY


Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law is a United States Senator from Illinois and nominee of the Democratic Party in the 2008 presidential election.

A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama worked as a community organizer and practiced as a civil rights attorney before serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004.

Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July 2004. He was elected to the Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote.

As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he helped create legislation to control conventional weapons and to promote greater public accountability in the use of federal funds.

He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa.

During the 110th Congress, he helped create legislation regarding lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

After announcing his presidential campaign in February 2007, Obama emphasized withdrawing American troops from Iraq, energy independence, decreasing the influence of lobbyists, and promoting universal health care as top national priorities.

It is wonderful that the World loves America under the leadership of Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law and looks forward to cooperating with America again in friendship, peace and economics.

America, Europe, Asia, South America and the World are looking forward to cooperating with Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law.

Constitutional Law Professor and Harvard Law Scholar Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law will be the smartest and most beloved President in American History.

America Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

Germany Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

France Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

England Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

Russia Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

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Mexico Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

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Brazil Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

Spain Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

Hillary Loves Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

It is wonderful that the World loves America under the leadership of Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law and looks forward to cooperating with America again in friendship, peace and economics.

Harvard Scholar Beats Navy Forever D Student McFailed Pilot Student in Intellectual Debates

Navy Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire Requests Dictionary During Debates With Harvard Scholar Obama of Harvard Law

Harvard Scholar Obama of Harvard Law Intellectually Defeats Navy Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III

Posted by: Nationalize US Oil Today For National Defense | August 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I am so digusted with lucci8 that I am leaving her or throwing myself under a bus. My life, up to this point, has been putting up with her shrill blatherings about her ex husband and how men are such b*stards, her drunken rages, lack of personal hygene, and her "weight problem". I thought she said she was having me "tutored", but she was so drunk and angry we ended up at the vet. She claims to idiolize Hillary Clinton but is is too fat and lazy to even go to the recycling center and trade her empties to send in a donation. Her loyalty extends to her forcing me to wear this ridiculous Hillary Clinton collar. Her dog.

Posted by: Observer | August 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Democrats - the party of foot-stomping, temper tantrum throwing adolescents.

Hey intern, want to make out under my desk?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:03 PM
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Why take her under your desk? Why not do like your Leader Newt and have her give you head in front of American University while your wife lie dying in the hospital? Oh and then marry her? Or you can do the McSame thing which also involves cheating on your sick wife and marrying the mistress in the end.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The next election could be the most impotant one in our life times.

Apparently the Clintons are willing to lose the upcoming election for their own petty reasons. If that turns out to be the case I am sure we all will remember them for that.

On the other hand, if O can't reach a compromise with VIP's in his own party how can he reach across the ocean much less the aisle. Of course those folks overseas or across the aisle may not have the self-absorbed ego of Mr. Bill.

Posted by: Client #190 | August 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama says Hillary should not be the Democratic nominee because she carries too much baggage from the sixties and seventies. I've got news for him.

He is the baggage of the sixties and seventies.

Posted by: Ruth Miller | August 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

stuff and stuff and stuff: Hillary doesn't need any help retiring her debt you and the rest of your narrow Obama conspiracy theorists need to crawl back under your rocks.

Posted by: DCDave | August 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

>>walden wrote: "Hard to believe, you Hillary freaks, but some of us want a Liberal in the White House..."

You should take another look at your candidate, then. He could be on John McCain's ticket as VP after all his shifts, recalibrations and flip flops.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I just want to know how all the coversation about race is going to get the economy going, stop the war in Iraq, prevent an all out war in Georgia, etc. etc. I am so glad we are only concerned about the sensitive feelings of 13% of the poulation when millions of lives are being severly impacted while we indulge ourselves in a fight about something that is as trite as pro-life vs.choice given the situation in America and around the world. Grow-up! Save this fight for when we have nothing more pressing.

Posted by: Dave L. | August 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Obama ran a campaign that in many ways repudiated the Clinton presidency and often signals that he would make different choices than the ones Bill Clinton made," said the source.

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Like say, maybe, make the decision not to have his penis sucked in the Oval Office by someone not named Hillary Rodham Clinton and then lie to the nation about it?

That would be a good start for different choices Obama can make differently than Bill Clinton.

Posted by: When Will This Madness End????? | August 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

If "The Chosen One" had tapped Hillary instead of Joe, he wouldn't have such a "perplexing" problem now, now would he?

And it is a mistake to think Hillary can rally her voters to "I am the Change you have been waiting for"; some of us just plain don't like him and refuse to be taken in by his empty rhetoric. He is after all the emptiest suit we have seen on the national stage for a long time. (OK, unless you count Dubya.)

Posted by: Not moved | August 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

>>waiden wrote: "If any of you posters knocking Obama and clinging to Hillary Clinton are really diehard Clinton supporters and not Republican paid moles, I say unto you Bill and Hillary Clinton's legacy, and what they offer right now, is the worst sort of Republicanism. America can be happily finished with the Clintons."

Actually, I'm clinging to my guns, religion ...and John McCain (once Clinton is formally shut out).

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Bill is 100% right, Obama's campaign against Bill Clinton was one of the most systematic set of lies and dirtiest politics in the history of America.

Bill Clinton is not a racist and yet he was unfairly accused of being one.

And Obama played on America's short memory in playing up all of the negatives about America. Guess what? Things in America were good from 1992 to 2000. Obama should he be elected is unlikely to come close to leading this nation to the prosperity we had then. But then again looking at the people that voted for him the american people are becoming even more self absorbed, whiny and hysterical than they have been.

Posted by: DCDave | August 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama people, BEWARE. The Clintons are the biggest dirty politicians you will ever find. The Clintons are going to try and steal the democratic nomination from right under your nose. This is why Hillary is getting a role call.

Beware, Beware…..

Posted by: rmb | August 25, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Well the Clintons had the race card throwed down on them, and Bill Clinton has been referred to as the first "Black President".

They and their supporters are upset!

Posted by: theaz | August 25, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse


The Clintons lost. primarily because of their never ending stuff.

The latest stuff by the money grubbers is that Obama didn't pay off Hillary's debt.
She could be bought, she intimates, by his people. But that woulnd't help either. There'd be more.

It might be well to remmeber Monica's boy lied before a grand jury, and was impeached.Squeeked by the conviction.

AND THAT HER NEGATIVES ARE A SOLID AND INVARYING 59%! She'd drag any ticket to defeat in a general.

And they an't get off the stage. No grace, no class.

Posted by: stuff and stuff and stuff | August 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

WHY A BARREL OF OOIIILLLL ROSE FROM $24 TO $145 WHEN GOP REPUBLICAN OOIIILLLL MILLIONAIRES BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, AND MCCAIN WALL STREET OOIIILLLL MILLIONAIRES TOOK OVER


GOP Republican Get Rich By Selling America And Using Our Public Office For Private Gains Is Treason against the American People. Big OOIIILLLL inside trading millionaires Bush, Cheney, Rice, and McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire will answer for war crimes.

The White House connection to Big OOIIILLLL goes too far. Now Chevron's OOIIILLLL tanker named Condoleezza Rice is too much OOIIILLLL conspiracy in the face of the American people.

The double-hulled OOIIILLLL giant, Condoleezza Rice, is part of the international OOIIILLLL tanker fleet of the San Francisco-based multinational OOIIILLLL firm, named several years ago Rice because she is a Chevron OOIIILLLL board member and stockholder.

Rice serves on Chevron's OOIIILLLL board and Bush Administration.

Far too cozy relationship among multinational energy giants, Bush and his key advisers -- including Vice President Dick Cheney and Rice.

There's never been an administration in power in this country that has been so close to a single industry, the OOIIILLLL-and-gas industry.

You wonder why a barrel of OOIIILLLL rose from $24 to $145 when OOIIILLLL millionaires Bush, Cheney, Rice took over. You wonder why a gallon of gasoline rose from $1.50 to $4.50 when OOIIILLLL millionaires Bush, Cheney, Rice took over.

Public Integrity raised the issue of the OOIIILLLL tanker's moniker. Look at the president and his background, the vice president (executive at Halliburton), (Commerce Secretary) Don Evans and his OOIIILLLL interests . . . and now this."

Rice closeness to a major OOIIILLLL company. It's not every day that someone has an OOIIILLLL tanker named after her.

Bush specifically request the Condoleezza Rice OOIIILLLL tanker be given a name change -- particularly since Chevron OOIIILLLL does business on six continents and 25 countries, and has been sued for human rights abuses in Nigeria.

The Center for Constitutional Rights filed suit in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, charging Chevron OOIIILLLL aided Nigerian police in attacks on local communities protesting Chevron OOIIILLLL production activities.

The Rice OOIIILLLL tanker came up at the White House briefing in connection with the incident in Nigeria.

Chevron OOIIILLLL giant has no intention of renaming the Condoleezza Rice and noted that board member Carla Hills also had a Chevron OOIIILLLL tanker named in her honor before she was appointed former President George Bush's trade secretary -- and the vessel has kept the name.

Naming OOIIILLLL tankers after members of the OOIIILLLL board of directors.

Rice's office did not return repeated phone calls, but she told Fox TV that she has no regrets regarding her Chevron OOIIILLLL ties and huge Wall Street OOIIILLLL profits. Big OOIIILLLL has been good to me.

Rice and the White House decisions directly involving Chevron OOIIILLLL. Condi Rice is dealing with issues that are enormous interest to Chevron OOIIILLLL. From a public relations standpoint, they're desperately hoping this is one OOIIILLLL tanker that doesn't run aground. That could be a major problem.


IRISH-AMERICAN BARACK OBAMA OF HARVARD LAW WILL bring back our United States Constitution and Rights of the American people. Who is better to save the country than an Ivy League United States Constitution Law professor who loves his country more than GOP Republicans love ill gotten Wall Street speculation money.


GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET MILLIONAIRES ARE PAYING THEMSELVES $10,000,000 BONUSES FROM MONEY STOLEN FROM THE UNITED STATES TREASURY, WHILE SENDING OUR AMERCAN JOBS OVERSEAS. RECKLESS OUTSOURCING IS DESTROYING AMERICAN MANUFACTURING AND THE AMERICAN ECONOMY.


Stop GOP Republican Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire from selling our America.


This remarkable unleashing of deep Democratic energies went hand in hand with clever GOP Republican efforts to subvert the will of the American People, whether by overt corruption or covert manipulation. This corruption or manipulation resulted from the widespread market activity that was incompatible with the good of the American Public. American Citizens were well aware that the voices of the People could be offset by powerful GOP Republican market elites bending the system to serve the interests of the few. The economic power of the GOP Republicans was recognized to be the primary source of Wall Street speculators’ corruptions.

Democratic dialogue was motivated by opposition to the market–driven greedy GOP Republicans obsessed with obscene quantity of moneymaking with little regard for the quality of the Public’s Democracy. Democratic love of wisdom was contrasted sharply against the GOP Republicans love of money.

Impeach the defunct GOP Republican Party of Wall Street Super Rich Thieves for milking our country the way wolves milk cows. America deserves intelligent and honest leadership demonstrated by scholars who love America, Americans and Our Freedom. America the Beautiful belongs to All Americans and will no longer be the plaything for Wall Street Super Rich GOP Republicans wolves.


INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE (THE HAGUE) WISHES TO SPEAK WITH MCBUSH, CHENEY, RICE, FOREVER D STUDENT MCFAILED PILOT MCCAIN WALL STREET OOIIILLLL MILLIONAIRE IN JANUARY FOR WAR CRIMES.

GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich By Selling America Party started the illegal Iraq War. Now the GOP Republicans are totally obligated to immediately stop the illegal Iraq War.

Mumbles Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel and did not always obey the rules, which contributed to a very low class rank (894 of 899) that he did not aim to improve. Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire earned a reputation as a partying man. The planes he was flying crashed twice and once collided with power lines.

McSame Poor Military Record / McWife Former Criminal Drug Addict

GOP Republican John Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire (McBush III) is a weak candidate, but that does not give him the excuse to publicly insult his wife who is a recovering drug addict.

In 1989, Cindy McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire became addicted to opioid painkillers such as Percocet and Vicodin, which she initially took to alleviate pain following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs and to ease emotional stress during the Keating Five scandal, which involved her as a bookkeeper who had difficulty finding receipts.

The addiction progressed to where she resorted to stealing drugs from her own AVMT. During 1992, Tom Gosinski, the director of government and international affairs for AVMT, discovered her drug theft.

Subsequently in 1992, her parents staged an intervention to force her to get help; she told her husband about her problem, attended a drug treatment facility, began outpatient sessions, and ended her three years of active addiction.

In January 1993, Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire terminated Gosinski's employment on grounds of budgetary reasons. In spring 1993, Gosinski tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration to investigate Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire's drug theft, and a federal investigation ensued.

Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire's defense team, led by Washington lawyer John Dowd, secured an agreement with the U.S. Attorney's office that limited her punishment to financial restitution and enrollment in a diversion program, without any public disclosure.

Meanwhile, in early 1994 Gosinski filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire, which he told her he would settle for $250,000. In April 1994, Dowd requested that Maricopa County officials investigate Gosinski for extortion. The Phoenix New Times was about to publish a negatively-cast article about the whole affair.

Cindy Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire pre-empted this by publicly revealing her past addiction, stating she hoped it would give fellow drug addicts courage in their struggles: "Although my conduct did not result in compromising any missions of AVMT, my actions were wrong, and I regret them."

A flurry of press attention followed, including charges by Gosinski that she had asked him to lie concerning her drug use when the Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaires were applying to adopt their baby from Bangladesh and statements by past AVMT employees that Gosinski had once threatened to blackmail her.

The Arizona Republic published an editorial cartoon ridiculing the motivations for her AVMT work and an award dinner in her honor was canceled citing poor ticket sales. In the end, both Gosinski's lawsuit and the extortion investigation against him were dropped.

AVMT concluded its activities in 1995. That year, Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire founded a new organization, the Hensley Family Foundation, which donates monies towards children's programs in Arizona and nationally, and she was largely a stay-at-home mom during the balance of the 1990s. She also held positions as vice president, director, and vice chair of Hensley & Co.

It is difficult to protect the country with McSame who graduated last in his war college and last on the battlefield. You cannot protect the country while spending your career as a prisoner.

Basically, McSame is qualified to be a prisoner and his McWife a recovering drug counselor.

Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law takes the high road, while Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire swims in the sewer.

Posted by: War Crimes McBush McCheney McRice McFailed Pilot McCain | August 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Hard to believe, you Hillary freaks, but some of us want a Liberal in the White House, not a cowardly, compromising Clinton who, in current form, represents all the bad liberalism of the recent past with its appeal to victimhood and strict political correctness without a thought to the general interest of the body politic. Obama is the solution to all that. He is real and he actually is a dynamic Democrat.

Personally, I will be offended if Obama gives any quarter to the reckless Hillary supporters who are trying to blackmail him with the threat of voting for McCain. If you saw this move in a 3rd rate movie, girls, you would vomit. There's time to do it now. Why wait?

Posted by: walden | August 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Screwmthe Clintons. they're finished. If Hillary screws this up for Obama EVERY Obama supporter will retaliate against her.
And now I here that they moved Hillary's speech to the stadium also; it turns out that her thighs would not fit on the stage at the convention center.

Posted by: Schwartz1 | August 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Lynn E-
So, the Democrats have always been able to put forth the nominee that everyone wanted?
What was the point of the primaries, then?
I guess you guys never needed them, seeing as how no candidate every lost that anyone actually wanted to elect.

Posted by: D | August 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

It's OK, I don't mind kissing Hillary's behind. I have been taking orders from woman for a while now, first it was Michelle, who is still officially the weaker one in our marriage. then it was Pelosi and eventually Harry Reid.

I can't wait for the triumverate all womanly government Obama/Reid/Pelosi.

Posted by: snObama | August 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

A long time Democrat I am confused and angry by the childish comments about John Mccain. McCain repeatedly joined Democrats Feingold and others to get things done.
I am disappointed at the lack of substance coming from Axelrod and Obama so for the first time I am voting Republican.
Trashing the Clintons while demanding 100% support of Blacks, remember John Lewis, has created a disaster for my party. So have some idoits on this page. So I and my family FDR Democrats will vote against Obama

Posted by: fred james | August 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

My rcent comment was directed at "Anonymous at 3:44 p.m."

But Alex H's was pretty insipid too.

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Republican Convention Schedule Leaked!

Day 1 of the RNC schedule:
7:00 pm ? Ceremonial burning of the U.S. Constitution
7:15 pm ? Spiritual Medium Sylvia Browne performs psychic s?ance in desperate attempt to raise Ronald Reagan from the grave
7:35 pm ? "The Pleasu res of Adultery" - with Newt Gingrich & Rudy Giuliani
8:05 pm ? Gay sex party in Men's Restroom hosted by Senator Larry Craig
8:35 pm - Transvestite Ann Coulter ? "My Life as a Man"
8:55 pm ? Live satellite feed from Federal Prison ? Ohio Rep. Bob Ney
9:05 pm ? Guest speaker ex-Florida Congressman Mark Foley " Joys with Young Boys"
9:25 pm ? Oliver North ? " Iran is Evil, but I sold them weapons anyway"
9:40 pm ? Bill O' Reilly ? " The costs of sexual harassment and phone sex with employees"
10:00 pm ? Gay sex party in Men's Room hosted by Ken Mehlman and Geraldo Rivera
10:25 pm ? Check John McCain to see if he's still breathing and if his adult diaper needs changed.
10:35 pm ? N.R.A. President hosts an assault riffle target practice on Gays and Mexicans.
10:45 pm - Call emergency squad after a drunken Dick Cheney accidentally shoots his friend in the face.
11:00 pm ? President Bush performs his hilarious comedy routine where he looks for Iraq's fictitious WMD's under guests tables.
11:15 pm ? Governor Mike Huckabee does his famous uncanny imitation of Gomer Pyle.
11:20 pm ? Group intervention to get Rush Limbaugh back into drug rehab
11: 45 pm ? Go up on rooftop and throw rocks down at homeless Vets sleeping in alley.
12:00 am ? Live satellite feed from Federal Prison ? California Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham
12:20 am ? Convicted felon/Fox News analyst G. Gordon Liddy ? Lock picking secrets
12: 40 am ? Guest speakers Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz ? "How to lie your Country into a War"
1:00 am ? Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay ? "Tips on Money Laundering"
1:15 am ? Hookers arrive for after party
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/50096-republican-convention-schedule-leaked

Posted by: McCain 08 | August 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Bill Clinton is not a racist."

He's not a racist but he was insensitive to the change in context, when a viable black candidate appeared on the scene. The black community was no longer his friend while his wife continued to oppose Obama, and he only antagonized them by criticizing Obama and not supporting The Dream for the election of The One.

It became obvious he didn't share their racial aspirations for the racial candidate in the passionate way they did. So there was a painful and distressing split between Bill Clinton and the black community, like between two old friends.

It's very sad, actually. He didn't realize that to them, he's not black, was never black and that it wasn't his place to use his influential voice to undermine Barack Obama's candidacy and still expect to be embraced like an honorary member of the black community.

Bill Clinton isn't racist, but he was insensitive to the delicacies of the context changes and the hurt feelings. He was arrogant in thinking that he could decide what what offensive and what wasn't offensive and not deferring to what those in the black community were telling him bothered them.

You never argue with someone about what you're saying that offends them. He should have known that.

Bill Clinton's behavior and comments weren't racist or offensive, but they hurt feelings in the black community and he wasn't listening when people told him they wanted him to shut up and not use his influential voice to undermine The One.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Placating is not an option. We don't need placating. I think eventually we might need separate parties. The onus always seems to be on Clinton people but we are not going to bend. If Obama wants to run and the Democratic Party wants him as a the nominee, we have not stopped him or his supporters from doing so. You can't expect us to stay Democrats and vote for Obama. We are citizens first and are able to vote for who we'd like. We didn't make this problem and we aren't the ones to fix it.

Posted by: Lynn E | August 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I am not voting for George Bush. someone told be he stole the election the last two times. I will continue to vote for the loser who has the big D next to his name. I thought this was meant for me - D stands for dummy right?

Posted by: enlightened Base Democrat | August 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

What I am looking forward to is Wednesday! On Tuesday night Hillary Clinton will graciously endorse the Obama-Biden ticket and most of her supporters will follow suit. That will pretty much end the pretend Hillary supporters shrill tirades and name calling. I wonder what the GOP boiler rooms come up with after that? I'll bet it is some sort of attack on one or more prominent blacks that support Obama. Covert racism has been such a valuable tool for the new Swift Boaters that I can can see them trying to split the voting publc along racial lines.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Condoleezza Rice is in reality the brilliant, extraordinarily accomplished leader that the inane Obama postures himself to be.

Since the neocons were ousted in 2006, Rice's leadership has resulted, among other things, an improved environment in Middle Eastern politics and North Korean agreements on nuclear disarmament. She is currently intensely involved in shuttle diplomacy in the Russian-Georgian crisis.

When will the black community stop ignoring the accomplishments of this incredible woman? Are they ignoring her because she's Republican? Or a black woman?

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 3:50 PM
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No one doubts her paper credentials: we just ask her to use her accomplishments to the betterment of the country and the world. Unlike Powell, who had enough of a conscience to at least quit when he realized he'd been sent to lie on behalf of a corrupt administration, Rice not only cooked up the lies, but continues to exercise hideously bad judgement. She has been the least active of any Secretary of State in my lifetime, having attempted to avert no crises on the world stage. Her involvement in the Russia-Georgia debacle is far less than meets the eye, unless you want to include any secret discussions she may well have had with Georgia's leaders, encouraging them to goad Russia. At the very least, she ought to have seen this coming; but Bush clearly was blindsided by developments.

She is a proven agenda-driven ideologue whose education clearly missed the crucial element of conscience.

Posted by: abqcleve | August 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Placate the Clintons? As far as I remember it, I think Obama won the primary according to the Democratic Party's guidelines, which means Clinton lost. Boo hoo! Get over it. This isn't some snooty country club in the Hamptons where Obama offended the "queen bee". He won his party's nomination to become the President of the U.S. If the Clinton's were really true Democrats and team players, they would support him whole heartedly and their cult-of-personality supporters would too. Obama's general positions on major issues much more closely match the "queen bee's" than McCain's do. For that reason it seems like a no-brainer that they would support Obama. Put your wounded egos aside and grow up. This isn't a game.

Posted by: dritchie | August 25, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

So the Clintons continue to act like they are entitled? What else is new?
The only arrogance that can come close to George W's is the Clintons'

Posted by: D | August 25, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

If your a reasonable person then you realize McCain is simply four more years of George Bush. However, it is to bad that Obama will win simply by default. So far he has only proven that he is a typical politician with his pandering and... honestly folks, he, his campaign, and the media were far out of line on how they treated Clinton. It is understandable how her supporters feel. None the less, he is the nominee and I am preparing for four more years of nothing getting done. It's to bad.

Posted by: Dave L. | August 25, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely love it! Barry Hussein has to kiss the Clinton's behind to woo their supportes. What a come down.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | August 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Democrats - the party of foot-stomping, temper tantrum throwing adolescents.

Hey intern, want to make out under my desk?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

RIGHT TO LIFE!

The thought of commie dems continuing legalized abortion needs to end.

McCain '08!!

Posted by: megg | August 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

It's not Clinton supporters who are giving Obama trouble, it's blue-collar white voters in swing states who are giving Obama trouble. Sure, they happened to vote for Hillary in the primaries, but that was because she spoke to them. Obama doesn't reach out to this constituency, and now he's getting burned. True to form, he looks to blame someone else instead of himself.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | August 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

All the faux nice words spoken at the Convention this week praising Bill and HC, will never make up for the ugly comments posted here since Febuary about the Clintons. The Obama campaign has its work cut out and it should start with cleaning up the comments of their supporters on sites like this. Apparently their vitriol is no closer to ending and their campaign has learned absolutely nothing since the primaries have ended.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Too bad, Obama has to pay the piper for letting Axelrod "market" his campaign in the way he did.

They ramrodded Bill Clinton as a racist, demeaned his presidency and now they want nicey nicey kissy kissy.

I for one am voting against McCain but will not listen to any of Obama's speeches nor do I have any faith in him, and once again am voting against the other guy.

I can only imagine how others feel and Obama has no one to blame but himself. I prospered under Clinton and had great pride in my country and was very hurt by the purposeful hurtful negative campaign run by "Barak Obama" (under the marketing expert Axelrod).

It is shameful that campaign managers are "marketing experts" and treat candidates like a product, and differentiate them by trashing the other candidate. Barak fell into this by his desire to win at all costs. Just read all the lobbying reports in other papers besides this and you will see Barak is just another candidate.

I am so disgusted by this campaign that I have left the democratic party and become and Indpenedent and look forward to a three or four party system where power is taken away from all the sacred cows entrenched in their jobs with not a care for who they serve.

And that includes Barak Obama.

No MCCain in 08

Posted by: lucci8 | August 25, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh for cripes sake, maybe if the MEDIA would get over the Clintons, the Clintons and their supporters would get over it. She lost already O.K. Obama is the candiate and there is plenty of problems going on right now in this country to address other then if Bill & Hill are happy campers. Who cares, the media because that's what they do, is pound on something over and over and make it an issue hoping it will become one. Enough already, let's get on with the election, I'm real sure the Clintons will be fine, if they can survive all the investigations, Monica gate, etc., then they will do just fine OK!

Posted by: Sue F | August 25, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey journalist: it's not "touched a cord," it's "touched a chord." C'mon now...

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | August 25, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl is not only a Republican hate-seeking missile but, if gender be relevant--which it is not--a big C.

I love it, the way all you partisan Hillary people/Republican posters always talk about Obama supporters and not the candidates and the issues.

If any of you posters knocking Obama and clinging to Hillary Clinton are really diehard Clinton supporters and not Republican paid moles, I say unto you Bill and Hillary Clinton's legacy, and what they offer right now, is the worst sort of Republicanism. America can be happily finished with the Clintons.

But you Clinton girls wanted something more, didn't you? You wanted the Guy back, with his big smile and dropped pants, you wanted more soap opera. That's why you are an offense to feminism as well as responsible citizenship!

Posted by: walden | August 25, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 3:46 p.m.:

Are you some kind of a sadistic monster who knows more than he's supposed to be talking about, but just can't resist the temptation to use a mainstream media web site to deliver veiled threats and intimidation?

You must be confident that your post can't be tracked. But you know, maybe someone who's above you is watching. And maybe they have scruples. Have a nice day.

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama insulted Bill Clinton on several occasions during the primaries. If he hopes to get elected, he needs to find a way to smooth over any bad feelings that exist.
Bill Clinton's years in the White House are remembered fondly by many. The polls are too close for Obama to think he doesn't need to work hard to curry favor with supporters of both Clintons.
The "partisanship" that this author refers to during the Clinton administration was directed at him -- not coming from him. The Republicans were crazed that he won the White House from the Republican incumbent, Bush I, and that he won reelection. The Republicans despised Bill Clinton, and that is the main source of partisanship during his administration.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton is not a racist. However, he cannot drive that point home simply by saying he is not. Instead, he has to give up the spotlight on himself and put it extra-positively on Obama. It is not a time for him to defend himself; I hope he realizes this. I want Bill to be recognized for the good leader and the champion of minorities he was. He now can only destroy himself if he is tepid in praising Obama or if he tries to defend himself.

I do hope Bill has the opportunity to point out the great economic and peaceful times we enjoyed when he was president and simultaneously GIVES CREDIT to advisers he had and point out they now are on Obama's team. By being humble and spotlighting them he will both help Obama's "inexperience" problem and his own legacy.

Unfortunately, no matter how supportive of Obama the two Clintons are in their speeches and actions, it will not matter unless Obama gets elected. Everyone will judge their effectiveness on the results at the ballot box since all polls show the only reason Obama is not way ahead is the position of Hillary's people. If Hillary (and Bill) cannot influence her supporters to vote for Obama, her presidential future in the Democratic Party is finished. She has to show she can lead her own people. If Obama gets elected it will be because "her people" voted for him and put him over the top; she will be a hero in the party and the Democratic nominee to follow President Obama.


Posted by: Byron | August 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

NOBAMA WROTE:

"If Hillary Clinton had won the nomination, Obama and his supporters would be acting the same, if not worse, than the Clintons are being portrayed."

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Perhaps, BUT the difference, at least in my case, is that I would vote for Hillary in the general election...in a heartbeat. I suspect Obama supporters would too. Enough of Bush.

And McCain would be pulling the same stunt -- wooing upset Obama supporters, the same as he's doing to Hillary backers.

Posted by: Katherine | August 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

ENGLAND’S DADDY AND AMERICA’S GRANDDADDY GERMANY HAS CHOSEN HARVARD SCHOLAR PRESIDENT IRISH-AMERICAN BARACK OBAMA OF HARVARD LAW. PERHAPS GRANDDADDY GERMANY KNOWS BEST. AND YOU KNOW HOW AMERICA LOVES ANYTHING GERMAN.

International Court of Justice (The Hague) Wish To Speak With McBush, Cheney, Rice, Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire in January for War Crimes.

GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich By Selling America Party started the illegal Iraq War. Now the GOP Republicans are totally obligated to immediately stop the illegal Iraq War.

Mumbles Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel and did not always obey the rules, which contributed to a very low class rank (894 of 899) that he did not aim to improve. Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire earned a reputation as a partying man. The planes he was flying crashed twice and once collided with power lines.

GOP Republican McSame, McBush, Cheney, and Rice are paying themselves and their Super Rich OOIIILLLL friends millions of Treasury dollars in bonuses as Average Americans suffer and watch their children future decline. GOP Republicans have caused trillions of dollar debts outsourcing Our Country to China, Saudi Arabia and India. I see nothing patriotic about GOP Republicans destroying the lives of millions of Americans in the name of Wall Street Super Rich speculative greed.

GOP Republican Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush Have Many Many Many Crisis To Answer For
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Trillion Dollar Treasury Robbing War Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Multi-Trillion Dollar Deficit Crisis (Disgrace)
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Democracy Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III American People Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III U.S. Constitution Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Barrel of OOIIILLLL Crisis (Democrat $24 changed to GOP Republican $145)
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Gallon of Gasoline Crisis (Democrat $1.25 changed to GOP Republican $4.50)
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III GOP Republican Wall Street OOIIILLLL Speculation Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Wall Street Super-capitalism cannibalistic Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Wall Street selling America to Saudi Arabia Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Wall Street selling America to India Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Wall Street selling America to China Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Iraq War Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Relations with Iran Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Relations with North Korea Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Relations with China Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Healthcare Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III U.S. Economics Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III U.S. Employment Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Out Sourcing American Jobs Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Auto Industry Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Airline Industry Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Travel Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Flood Levee Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Energy Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Overseas Tax Haven Rich Tax Avoidance Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Wage Gap Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Lack of Employees’ Rights Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III 2000 Election False Vote Count Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III 2004 Election False Vote Count Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Dubious War on Drugs Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Education Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III School Shooting Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III GOP Republican Drug Money Laundering Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III GOP Republican Drug Cartel Kickbacks Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Prime Time Soft Pornography Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III GOP Republican Wall Street Mad Cow Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Poison Water Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Poison Air Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Poison Agriculture Crisis (Asia won’t accept our food)
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Rich GOP Republican Treasury Robbery Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III American People Lack Confidence in Government Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III World Chaos Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Food Price Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Global Warming Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Disasters in America Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Katrina Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Racist Talk Radio Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Racist O’Reilly, Fox News, The New Yorker Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Housing Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III U.S. Dollar Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Deceptive Administration Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Negative World Perception Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Iraq War Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Iraq War Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Iraq War Crisis
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Corporate Welfare Robbing the US Treasury (American People)
Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III Wall Street selling American Big Banks to foreign billionaires Crisis giving foreign sweatshop billionaires direct votes in Our Economy, Way of Life and Government.
Mission Accomplish Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush III For Trying To Destroy Our Democracy and Economy

The Multiple Crisis that are hurting OUR COUNTRY are the fault of the Administration, Supreme Court, Congress and especially the GOP Republican Party for allowing GOP Republican International War Suspects McBush, Cheney, and Rice to lie, cheat and steal their way into the Highest Office on Earth and remain there for eight years. The Entire World thinks that America was ridiculous for allowing GOP Republican criminals and scoundrels to steal their way into office not once but twice. If you locked three Rock Wellers in a jewelry shop for eight years without supervision, what would you expect upon returning? Why are Americans surprised that the three scoundrels McBush, Cheney, and Rice have smashed up the place and almost destroyed America in eight years? You should have expected bad things from those criminals eight years ago and stopped them back then. Instead of stopping the trillion dollar criminals, the media (Wacko Bill Meltdown O’Reilly, Newsmax, O’Reilly Racist Factor, FOX News, Super-racist Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, The New Yorker) went after the Dixie Chicks, Paris Hilton, Rosie O’Donnel, and Britney Spears. How stupid.

Now the media (Wacko Bill Meltdown O’Reilly, Newsmax, O’Reilly Racist Factor, FOX News, Super-racist Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, The New Yorker) pursues Boy George, because he might be a threat. What an incredibly stupid, stupid, and racist media we have. The World is watching and laughing at our stupid media and defunct Wall Street robber barons greedy selfish shortsighted supercapitalistic system. Since when does the prerequisite for becoming the President includes being a poor military academy student, out of action POW, computer illiterate, senior citizen and husband of a recovering drug addict / thief / criminal? Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire is qualified to be a former POW and Mrs. McThief is qualified to be a recovering drug addict. What a pair and example for our youth. Romney the compulsive liars will not help our country as vice president. I say force the GOP Republicans to fix their gigantic GOP Republican supercapitalism mess in one year or dissolve the defunct and forever failing GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich By Selling America Party. The defunct GOP Republican Wall Street Get Rich By Selling America Party started the illegal Iraq War against the objection of Most Americans and the Entire World. Now the GOP Republicans are obligated to immediately stop this illegal Iraq War, involve Europe in the peace keeping / rebuilding task, and face the International Court of Justice (The Hague) on charges of War Crimes. Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law takes the high road, while Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire swims in the sewer.


GOP Republican Failures Reagan was an idiot, while Gorbachev saved the World
GOP Republican Failures Bush I and idiot sidekick Quayle accomplished nothing, while Barbara acted presidential

Democratic Success Bill Clinton Balances the Budget
Democratic Success Bill Clinton maintains a barrel of OOIIILLLL at $24
Democratic Success Bill Clinton maintains a gallon of gasoline at $1.50
Democratic Success Bill Clinton achieves an excellent US relationship with the World

GOP Republican Failures Bush II attacks the US Constitution and steals elections from the American People
GOP Republican Failures Bush II attacks the United Nations and declares an illegal war against an innocent country Iraq
GOP Republican Failures Bush II smuggles criminal Saudi Arabian friends of the Bush out of the country who were key figures in the attack against our country
GOP Republican Failures Bush II speculates with his millionaire OOIIILLLL criminal Wall Street friends to illegally raise a barrel of OOIIILLLL from $24 to $145
GOP Republican Failures Bush II speculates with his millionaire OOIIILLLL criminal Wall Street friends to illegally raise a gallon of gasoline from $1.50 to $4.50
GOP Republican Failures Bush II illegally starts wire tapping citizens, torturing prisoners, and attacking Mexican-American workers (who are the backbone of American labor)
GOP Republican Failures Bush II tarnishes America’s good name with the World
GOP Republican Failures Bush II is perceived as a villain to the World
GOP Republican Failures Bush II, Cheney, and Rice War Crimes questioning by The Hague
GOP Republican Failures Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire is owned by millionaire OOIIILLLL criminals and will continue the Bush policies of failures

AMERICA belongs to AMERICANS and not to greedy GOP Republican Wall Street criminals speculating away our children’s future.

GOD BLESS AMERICA OUR HOME. Harvard Scholar Irish-American Barack Obama.

Americans are too smart to fall for diabolical divisive GOP Republican tricks.
Leave out divisive hate mongering (race, gender, religion).

Barack

Focus on the ECONOMY, HOMES, IRAQ WAR, OOIIILLLL, ENERGY, FAMILY, MORALITY, INTERNATIONAL FRIENDSHIP, AND ONE AMERCA.

Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law has a wonderful, loving, intelligent and spiritual family with high morals. This is exactly what is expected of the First Family.

Return Democratic Values to the White House and get rid of GOP Republican Get Rich Quick By Selling America to Foreigners and Robbing the US Treasury.

GOP Republican U.S. Treasury Raiders Must Stop Now
GOP Republican U.S. Treasury Raiders Must Stop Now
GOP Republican U.S. Treasury Raiders Must Stop Now


GOP Republican Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush entered the White House Seven Years Ago with OOIIILLLL at $24 a barrel.
GOP Republican Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush entered the White House Seven Years Ago with OOIIILLLL at $24 a barrel.
GOP Republican Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush entered the White House Seven Years Ago with OOIIILLLL at $24 a barrel.


Americans, Europeans and the World are under the impression that Rich GOP Republicans are pathological liars and thieves. And they are right. False statements, cheating and undermining Democratic values are GOP Republican tools to hurt mankind in their selfish destructive quest to own and control this beautiful World that’s temporarily enjoyed by all.

GOP Republican Failures Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush must answer to the fact that a barrel of OOIIILLLL was $24 when McBush took office and now a barrel of OOIIILLLL is $145. GOP Republican rich OOIIILLLL conspiracy has undermined the American People and Our Economy in their quest for selfish, destructive and greedy ill gotten super-capitalistic Wall Street gains.

Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush seven years ago changed a barrel of OOIIILLLL from $24 into today’s super-capitalistic greedy out of control $145.

Will the American people sit on their hands and allow Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush continued out of control wall street supercapitalistic greed to raise a barrel of OOIIILLLL to $200?

The price of OOIIILLLL is a national emergency. OOIIILLLL should be immediately nationalized for United States national defense.

GOP Republican Failures Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush within seven years changed a $24 barrel of OOIIILLLL into a $145 barrel of OOIIILLLL.

Were the GOP Republican Failures Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush serving the American People or serving their super-rich friends when they help change the price of a barrel of OOIIILLLL from $24 to $145 in just seven years?

It’s time to Nationalize U.S. OOIIILLLL and the Energy Industries for National Defense.

300,000,000 Americans come first when it comes to the greatest benefits to the greatest number. When one percent of the population (super rich), owns and runs everything to the destruction of the ninety nine percent (typical Americans), then something must change. Forever D Student McFailed Pilot McCain Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-McBush represents greed and destruction that must stop.

If you love America, then you should inspire the American People to rise higher and HOPE for better days.

America is HOPEFUL and GREAT and will follow the HOPEFUL and inspirational message of Harvard Scholar Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law.

This is the greatest presidential race in history, because Harvard Scholar Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law is flying like an eagle.

GOD BLESS AMERICA OUR HOME. Harvard Scholar Irish-American Barack Obama.


Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law loves America and the troops.

Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law will work with the international community to end the Iraq War in 2009.

Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law will bring American troops home in 2009 and reward them with benefits for homes, college, medical care, and jobs.

American troops are overwhelmingly voting for Irish-American Barack Obama of Harvard Law

Posted by: McFailed Pilot McOOOIIIILLLL Millionaire McSeven Mansions McFailures | August 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Coldcomfort asked: "abqcleve, if that's your definition of race-baiting, then Obama played one with his "pictures on the dollar bills" statement. ( a popular joke within the black community ). By the way since when is being compared to Jessie Jackson a bad thing unless you're a Republican?!"
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Not my definition and I really could care less. If you look at the numbers, you'll see that prior to Bill's ill-considered comment linking Obama's candidacy to Jackson's--thereby attempting to marginalize the campaign--black voters overwhelmingly supported Clinton. Bill's comment was, I believe, aimed at white voters, but he grossly miscalculated. Part of the knock on Obama prior to then in the black community as a whole was that he wasn't black enough: that changed over night with Bill's comment.

So, the fact that Obama subsequently "played the race card" with his dollar bill observation is really quite meaningless. The question isn't whether or not someone played the card--anyone can make that claim and anyone can just as plausibly deny it; the question really is, how does a specific instance help or hurt a campaign?

In these instances, Bill's comment--whether you call it racist or not--killed Hillary and galvanized the black community behind Obama. The dollar bill comment has done nothing I can discern except serve as regular grist for the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh, who are just speaking in an echo chamber anyway....

Posted by: abqcleve | August 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Here's what John McCain really thinks of Hillary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o

"How do we beat the b---="

Posted by: Jim | August 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh, poor Bill Clinton. Someone ran against his wife in the primaries and actually insinuated that they could be a better President than her, and now he's insulted? Gee, I guess there shouldn't have been a primary this year for Dems, just a coronation and knee-scraping praise for the titanic egos of these two.

One lesson of all this-- as everyone said, the primaries shouldn't have been so nasty 'cos they would give the other side plenty of ammo all through the gen election, that party wounds wouldn't heal easily or quickly or ever (thanks, MSM, for tearing off the scab every single day). Same would have been true if Clinton was the nominee. These chickens, it seems, are indeed coming home to roost, and will hang around until Nov.

Posted by: Kris | August 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl: Condi would be a great choice if she was pro life. Unlike Carla, she is actually qualified to be President.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Revenge is a lazy man's form of grief.

Posted by: I'm Just Saying | August 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Placating the Clintons? It's way too late for that.
Obama lost the election as soon as he boxed himselef in with Biden. That's supposed to be Change?

Rather, it will now be seen as a seasoned senator running for president versus a very similar seasoned senator running for vice president while Obama "...this is Barack Obama's Convention--HC" will continue branding his market share run as Celebrity in Chief.
Two experienced grown-ups and a hologram.
Just which would you vote for?
I myself am writing in Hillary Clinton.

Once I found out that Obama had bought himself superdelegates with contributions earmarked to their campaigns, I realized the fix was in.
Here's the link:
http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/07/bamboozling-the.html

-gala1

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Alex H did you give some money for your loser candidate? You know Obama is trying to pay her debts. She shouldn't bite the hand that feeds her. Ingrate

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Of course Obama downplayed Clinton's legacy - he was in the midst of battle with a Clinton. Bill's a professional, he knows the game.

Obama, now that he's won, can - and should be - an open admirer of the Clinton's. His choice of VP was a solid step off the 'Change' message, and a few lines about what a remarkable woman Hillary is will not dilute the message. Drop a few hints about her role in his cabinet - something to the effect of " ... she proesses a remarkable drive and intelligence to serve this county. If elected I will insure that the country continues to benefit from all she has to offer ..." Something like that.

He should signal some future for Hillary. Maybe even follow through. (Obama's a professional to ya know.)

You think she'd find a place in the other guys cabinet?

You think it matters if they 'like' each other?

Posted by: NoOneImportant. | August 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:37 PM
"W is the uniter.
Nobody can take that away from him."

Yep! idiot-in-chief united 80% of the people against him.

Posted by: JAC | August 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Alex H did you give some money for your loser candidate? You know Obama is trying to pay her debts. She should bite the hand that feeds her.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

For all of you Democrats who are willing to vote for McCain, I think it is incredibly short-sighted. The Bush Presidency has shown that turning over the Executive Branch to the GOP does a great deal of harm (look at who has run the EPA, DOJ, DOD, NASA, the Joint Chiefs, etc. into the ground). While you may not like Obama, having a Dem in the Whitehouse means that all of these agencies will be run by Dems who support Democratic policies. Voting for McCain means that all of these agencies will be run by GOP hacks... and we all see where that has led us. Bush showed how the pro-big business, anti-environmental hawks can fail to enforce Congress's laws. Don't let it happen again.

Posted by: CP | August 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

so many who apparently having no lives except sitting here typing out their tedious and juvenile racist remarks.

what a toilet this site has turned into.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:47 PM

I forgot to add - thanks to me - the anonymous couward

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Condoleezza Rice blows away that narcissistic lightweight Barack Obama:

(Wikipedia)

"Condoleezza Rice (born November 14, 1954) is the 66th United States Secretary of State, and the second in the administration of President George W. Bush to hold the office. Rice is the first black woman, second African American (after her predecessor Colin Powell, who served from 2001 to 2005), and the second woman (after Madeleine Albright, who served from 1997 to 2001 in the Clinton Administration) to serve as Secretary of State. Rice was President Bush's National Security Advisor during his first term. Before joining the Bush administration, she was a professor of political science at Stanford University where she served as Provost from 1993 to 1999. During the administration of George H.W. Bush, Rice served as the Soviet and East European Affairs Advisor during the dissolution of the Soviet Union and German reunification.

When beginning as Secretary of State, Rice pioneered a policy of Transformational Diplomacy, with a focus on democracy in the greater Middle East. ...

In addition to English, she speaks Russian, German, French, and Spanish.

Rice was born in Birmingham, Alabama, and grew up in the neighborhood of Titusville. She traces her roots to pre-revolutionary African Americans in the American South. She is the only child of Presbyterian minister Reverend John Wesley Rice, Jr., and wife, Angelena Ray. Reverend Rice was a guidance counselor at Ullman High School and minister of Westminster Presbyterian Church, which had been founded by his father. Angelena was a science, music, and oratory teacher at Ullman.

During the violent days of the Civil Rights Movement, Reverend Rice armed himself and kept guard over the house while Condoleezza practiced the piano inside....

Rice was eight when her schoolmate Denise McNair, aged 11, was killed in the bombing of the primarily black Sixteenth Street Baptist Church by white supremacists on September 15, 1963. Rice has commented upon that moment in her life:

I remember the bombing of that Sunday School at 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham in 1963. I did not see it happen, but I heard it happen, and I felt it happen, just a few blocks away at my father’s church. It is a sound that I will never forget, that will forever reverberate in my ears. That bomb took the lives of four young girls, including my friend and playmate, Denise McNair. The crime was calculated to suck the hope out of young lives, bury their aspirations. But those fears were not propelled forward, those terrorists failed.[10]

– Condoleezza Rice, Commencement 2004, Vanderbilt University, May 13, 2004

Rice states that growing up during racial segregation taught her determination against adversity, and the need to be "twice as good" as non-minorities. Segregation also hardened her stance on the right to bear arms; Rice has said in interviews that if gun registration had been mandatory, her father's weapons would have been confiscated, leaving them defenseless against Ku Klux Klan nightriders.

Rice was a Democrat until 1982 when she changed her political affiliation to Republican after growing averse to former President Jimmy Carter's foreign policy.[17] She also cited influence from her father, John Wesley, in this decision, who himself switched from Democrat to Republican after being denied voting registration by the Democratic registrar. In her words to the 2000 Republican National Convention, "My father joined our party because the Democrats in Jim Crow Alabama of 1952 would not register him to vote. The Republicans did."[18]

However, despite her party switch, Rice served as foreign policy advisor to the presidential campaign of Democratic U.S. Senator Gary Hart of Colorado during the 1984 primaries.[19]

Academic career
Condoleezza Rice during a 2005 interview on ITV in London
Condoleezza Rice during a 2005 interview on ITV in London

Rice was hired by Stanford University as an Assistant Professor of Political Science (1981–1987). She was promoted to Associate Professor in 1987, a post she held until 1993. She was a specialist on the Soviet Union and gave lectures on the subject for the Berkeley-Stanford joint program led by UC Berkeley Professor George Breslauer in the mid-1980s.

At a 1985 meeting of arms control experts at Stanford, Rice's performance drew the attention of Brent Scowcroft, who had served as National Security Advisor under Gerald Ford. With the election of George H. W. Bush, Scowcroft returned to the White House as National Security Adviser in 1989, and he asked Rice to become his Soviet expert on the United States National Security Council. According to R. Nicholas Burns, President Bush was "captivated" by Rice, and relied heavily on her advice in his dealings with Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin.

Since she would have been ineligible for tenure at Stanford if she had been absent for more than two years, in 1991, she returned to Stanford. She was now taken under the wing of George P. Shultz (Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State from 1982-1989), who was a fellow at the Hoover Institution. Shultz included Rice in a "luncheon club" of intellectuals who met every few weeks to discuss foreign affairs. In 1992, Shultz, who was a board member of Chevron Corporation, recommended Rice for a spot on the Chevron board. Chevron was pursuing a $10 billion development project in Kazakhstan, and as a Soviet specialist, Rice knew the President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev. She traveled to Kazakhstan on Chevron's behalf, and, in honor of her work, in 1993, Chevron named a 129,000-ton supertanker SS Condoleezza Rice. During this period, Rice was also appointed to the boards of Transamerica Corporation (1991) and Hewlett-Packard (1992).

At Stanford, in 1992, Rice volunteered to serve on the search committee to replace outgoing president Donald Kennedy. The committee ultimately recommended Gerhard Casper, the Provost of the University of Chicago. Casper met Rice during this search, and was so impressed that in 1993, he appointed her as Stanford's Provost, the chief budget and academic officer of the university (1993–1999), and she also was granted tenure and became full Professor in 1993 (1993–present). Rice was the first female, first minority, and youngest Provost at Stanford. She was also named a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Senior Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.

(from the White House NSA page:)

Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.

In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she was a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control from 1981-1986 (currently the Center for International Security And Cooperation), a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.

(from Wikipedia...)

Rice's Transformational Diplomacy involves five core elements:

* Relocating American diplomats to the places in the world where they are needed most, such as China, India, Brazil, Egypt, Nigeria, Indonesia, South Africa, and Lebanon.
* Requiring diplomats to serve some time in hardship locations such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, and Angola; gain expertise in at least two regions; and become fluent in two foreign languages, such as Chinese, Arabic, or Urdu.
* Focusing on regional solutions to problems like terrorism, drug trafficking, and diseases.
* Working with other countries on a bilateral basis to help them build a stronger infrastructure, and decreasing foreign nations's dependence on American hand-outs and assistance.
* Creating a high-level position, Director of Foreign Assistance, to oversee US foreign aid, thus de-fragmenting US foreign assistance.

Rice said that these moves were needed to help "maintain security, fight poverty, and make democratic reforms" in these countries and would help improve foreign nations's legal, economic, healthcare, and educational systems.[53][54]

Another aspect of Transformational Diplomacy is the emphasis on finding regional solutions. Rice also pressed for finding transnational solutions as well, stating that "in the 21st century, geographic regions are growing ever more integrated economically, politically and culturally. This creates new opportunities but it also presents new challenges, especially from transnational threats like terrorism and weapons proliferation and drug smuggling and trafficking in persons and disease."[53]
Rice unveils her plan for restructuring American foreign policy, which she calls "Transformational Diplomacy," during a January 18, 2006 speech at Georgetown University.
Rice unveils her plan for restructuring American foreign policy, which she calls "Transformational Diplomacy," during a January 18, 2006 speech at Georgetown University.

Another aspect of the emphasis on regional solutions is the implementation of small, agile, "rapid-response" teams to tackle problems like disease, instead of the traditional approach of calling on experts in an embassy. Rice explained that this means moving diplomats out of the "back rooms of foreign ministries" and putting more effort into "localizing" the State Department's diplomatic posture in foreign nations. The Secretary emphasized the need for diplomats to move into the largely unreached "bustling new population centers" and to spread out "more widely across countries" in order to become more familiar with local issues and people.[53]

Rice restructured US foreign assistance, naming Randall L. Tobias, an AIDS relief expert, as administrator of USAID (U.S. Agency for International Development). Tobias, as a deputy secretary of state, had the job of focusing foreign assistance efforts and de-fragmenting the disparate aid offices to improve effectiveness and efficiency.[54]

Rice says these initiatives are necessary because of the highly "extraordinary time" in which Americans live. She compares the moves to the historic initiatives taken after World War II, which she claims helped stabilize Europe as it is known today. Rice states that her Transformational Diplomacy is not merely about "influencing" or "reporting on" governments, but "changing people's lives" through tackling the issues like AIDS, the education of women, and the defeat of violent extremism.[53]

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Condoleezza Rice is in reality the brilliant, extraordinarily accomplished leader that the inane Obama postures himself to be.

Since the neocons were ousted in 2006, Rice's leadership has resulted, among other things, an improved environment in Middle Eastern politics and North Korean agreements on nuclear disarmament. She is currently intensely involved in shuttle diplomacy in the Russian-Georgian crisis.

When will the black community stop ignoring the accomplishments of this incredible woman? Are they ignoring her because she's Republican? Or a black woman?

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

If Obama deserves to win the election, he will prove that to the electorate -- an electorate that also supported George W. Bush. By making Obama's success the responsibility of the Clinton's or even Joe Biden, the media have proved to be more racist than they claim Americans are. Why do you all think the black guy needs all the white people to help him? Where are the calls for Romney and Huckabee to kiss the old guy and make up? Stop making this about something it isn't. I don't care for Barack because I have had enough of young, charasmatic, high-talking Democrats (Bill Clinton, Kwame Kilpatrick, Eliot Spitzer, John Edwards) who seem to lead us down the same path. I don't care for his position changes (NAFTA, Afghanistan, 2nd Amendment, Warrantless Wiretapping, Offshore Drilling). History makes the decision easy.

Posted by: jbrendan | August 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Change? Give me a break. When Obama picked Biden it was clear that "change" was just an empty campaign line. Compare voting records. Biden & McCain have virtually the same voting records. Biden is an entrenched D.C. insider complete with lobbyist family members. Biden is pro- war. Pro- occupation. And an israel firster just like McCain.
There was ZERO chance Obama would pick the low life "queen of lies" and her impeached and disbarred lecher husband as a running mate.
His pick of Biden sent this independent to a third party this election.

Posted by: DWayne | August 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Not surprising there's so much hate and bile and juvenile racism here -- it's linked to McCain's website.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters never ever forget revenge is best when taken cold.

Posted by: John | August 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 is likely an fat, very stupid cow, a soap opera queen who has nothing to look forward to but a life devoid of meaning or hope. Maybe she will do us all a favor and switch from Ripple and off brand beer to antifreeze.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 3:44 PM

.........I see Internet people.......

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27: I could go along with your suggestion if she would dump Bill. I have had enough of him for a lifetime.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 25, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The best way to respect life is to live respectfully and if you believe that abortion is killing then you should discourage it. But our current President lied to the American people and thereby got authoriatione to pre-emptively attack another nation which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and horrible mutilations. Millions fled the country and are refugees around the world. Our own soldiers killed and maimed. That is because a President who bragged he was pro-life, was out and out lier who felt his ideas were suprior. He was arrogant in his beliefs and in his own version of "partriotism". He enriched the rich, the Halliburton company and his own powerful and rich friends while
discussing his personal relationship with God and saying seemingly honestly that he believes God wanted him to do this stuff. So for all of you who believe in the right to life, I respect your opinion but we must be careful about how grounded in fact and moral principals these people are in their mundane decisions and social positions and the way they will handle power and authority instead of weighting everything on one answer to one moral issue that really doesn't even effect them in their own lives since even if abortions were illegal in this country, rich people always have the freedom to go to another country and do as they please. Beware the hypocrisy of these people.

Posted by: Madeleine | August 25, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl wrote: "Last chance to send money to Clinton instead of Obama, to show Obama the back of your hand. Even small amounts, like the price of a lunch, add up on the Internet!"

Apparently, given Ms. Clinton's July report, not many of her "18 million" supporters feel she's even worth the price of a lunch.

She's worth much more than that, of course, but it appears her most vehement "supporters" have only hot air and threats to offer on her behalf; not much in the way of actual money. Which doesn't make them a very impressive bloc, quite frankly.

This lack of practical efforts on her behalf also leads one to wonder whether or not the bulk of the most loquacious of them aren't, in fact, just a few Republican trolls.

It says something, anyway, that it's hard to differentiate between a PUMA and a Republican.

Posted by: drossless | August 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

funny mbrooks about dianne-- really a pathetic loser, as are so many who apparently having no lives except sitting here typing out their tedious and juvenile racist remarks.

what a toilet this site has turned into.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Alex H":

As someone who hopes Hillary fights to the end and prevents Obama's nomination, I would like to disassociate myself from your juvenile vitriol, which appears to be a work of paid disinformation.

You are trying to cast aspersions upon those who oppose Obama's nomination. Your "craft" is so poorly executed that it is totally lacking in credibility.

This post is intended for those who might be fooled into thinking your screed reflects the thinking of those who want to see the Obama hostile takeover reversed.

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

It is shocking to me that anyone who is a real democrat would bash Bill Clinton. He was a great president, personal failing yes, but a great president. He was the last democrat to be president and he served two terms...when he left office he had an approval rating in high sixties. But to read some of the comments here and else where you would think the guy ran the country into the ground...that he left us in debt and our country at war. Stop the Clinton bashing Obama supporters...it is helping heal any wounds and it is just misplaced, over the top and wrong...on many levels.

Posted by: Eliot | August 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"statuesque woman of strength and integrity", - aka - can take and deliver a punch and weighs a lot more than you do.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Will Gore steal Dem nomination Thursday night as he may be holding about 100 super delegates' support to deter others and conveniently take advantage of political discontent, chaos and confusion of primaries? As multi-millionaire, will he privatize US governments' programs, infrastructure and jobs for big profit$$$?

Will Obama be rid of with his own generated sex and financial scandals? There is a term called "down load" in the black community for professionals who have gay sex on the side despite being married with children and have respectable daytime jobs. Larry Sinclair has come forward with gay sex and drug use claims with Obama in November 1999. Google "barack obama is a closet homosexual," or "Video: Pastor Manning Says Obama is Homosexual...," or "Digg - Is Larry Sinclair Obama's dark secret," etc.

President FDR won the 4th ballot in the roll call process in 1932. The rest is history. It should be allowed on Wednesday night. Otherwise the DNC leaves an undeniable impression that the process is stolen especially since Pelosi and Dean orchestrated MI and FLA votes in favor of Obama since summer of 2007.
Is Ted Kennedy's malignant brain tumor a fraud to distract from his real legacy of his 1968/69 Chappaquidic sex/murder scandal because he doesn't seem to have chemo and radiation side effects such as weight loss due to loss of appetite, jauntice, etc.?

Wonder if Obama’s plane failure a couple of weeks ago was a cover up of his involvement in the general tampering of opponents’ planes during this election season? Does he have another "tampering" attempt scheduled for this Sunday when opponent’s plane is scheduled to fly from NY/NJ area to Madison, Wisconsin??? hmmmm....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I continue to be amazed at how many women think McCain would be better them than Obama. This is a binary decision, People, so start making sense. How flaky can you be? This is not a personality contest. Sorry that Obama's winning upset you so much but, hello--- does cutting off one's nose to spite one's face mean anything to you? Enough with the vitriol and personalization. I'm dumbfounded that you could have ever been for Hillary since McCain-- who many threaten to vote for now-- is diametric to Hillary.

Posted by: gk | August 25, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Will Gore steal Dem nomination Thursday night as he may be holding about 100 super delegates' support to deter others and conveniently take advantage of political discontent, chaos and confusion of primaries? As a multi-millionaire, will he privatize US governments' programs, infrastructure and jobs for big profit$$$?

Will Obama be rid of with his own generated sex and financial scandals? There is a term called "down load" in the black community for professionals who have gay sex on the side despite being married with children and have respectable daytime jobs. Larry Sinclair has come forward with gay sex and drug use claims with Obama in November 1999. Google "barack obama is a closet homosexual," or "Video: Pastor Manning Says Obama is Homosexual...," or "Digg - Is Larry Sinclair Obama's dark secret," etc.

President FDR won the 4th ballot in the roll call process in 1932. The rest is history. It should be allowed on Wednesday night. Otherwise the DNC leaves an undeniable impression that the process is stolen especially given how Pelosi and Dean orchestrated MI and FLA votes in favor of Obama since summer of 2007.

Is Ted Kennedy's malignant brain tumor a fraud to distract from his real legacy of his 1968/69 Chappaquidic sex/murder scandal because he doesn't seem to have chemo and radiation side effects such as weight loss due to loss of appetite, jauntice, etc.?

Wonder if Obama’s plane failure a couple of weeks ago was a cover up of his involvement in the general tampering of opponents’ planes during this election season? Does he have another "tampering" attempt scheduled for this Sunday when opponent’s plane is scheduled to fly from NY/NJ area to Madison, Wisconsin??? hmmmm....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

gk - It's pity. Michelle Obama is a beautiful, statuesque woman of strength and integrity, where Dianne72 is likely an fat, very stupid cow, a soap opera queen who has nothing to look forward to but a life devoid of meaning or hope. Maybe she will do us all a favor and switch from Ripple and off brand beer to antifreeze.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse


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Hillary supporters will certainly get behind the hussein campaign --- to push it off a cliff!

We Hillary supporters will do everything possible to ensure defeat for that Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, elitist, inexperienced, narcissistic, flip-flopping gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes, and who hijacked the nomination with fewer votes than Hillary received.

Hillary supporters won't get mad; we will get even.

Best of luck, "sweetie" hussein and plagiarist joe!

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Posted by: ALEX H. | August 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

That was their gross between the tow of them. When they left the white house they were like 13 million in debt. Between that taxes costs and so on they are lucky if their net worth is 20 million and she spent a good amount of that on he campaign. That is why they are so worried about the money. Bills 10 million dollar speeches are over now that Hillary is no longer going to be president as they were so sure of. Everybody knows those speeches and consulting fees were no more the influence peddling based on Hillary winning the white house. No one pays anyone 5 or 10 million to make a speech, lets get real here. Bill was selling the white house in advance. They blew that. The big bucks are over for the Clinton's. Hillary's next book may bring like a 3 to 5 million dollar advance but when you went through the kind on money they have that doesn't all of a sudden look like so much.

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He can't pay off Hillary's debt "outright," there's a cap on contributions and it's a lot lower than the $30 million that smart businesswoman borrowed. Bill, being married to Hillary, could easily pay it off with the $100 million he's made since 2000, but he doesn't seem to want to.

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

All of you stupid Clinton supporters should be very careful. if you in your ignorance and being a sore loser sabatoges the election from Obama, should know that the backlash against her in her next FAILED attempt for the whitehouse will be on your head. She won't even get enough to get past her democratic rival. There are those of us who are watching you crazy clinton supporters trying to snatch the election and WE WILL rise up against her in her next attempt if she has the guts to again at all. So go ahead and act like sore losers if you want, just understand SHE will be running again, and WE WILL BE WAITING

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Bill Clinton sees the potential "greatness" that an Obama presidency would overshadow his own."

Remarks like this are wrong.
Bill Clinton has a successful track record, Obama is yet to build one. So be logical here. Obama is not "the one" yet. We need to
evaluate his intentions and his accomplishments if he should become president. However, his FISA vote, position on drilling, flip-flopping, and pandering has me concerned enough to considerat Ralph Nader since he seems to be the only one talking about issues that matter. If nothing else it will be a protest vote to show my lack of confidenc and both Obama and McCain.

Posted by: Dave L. | August 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're right. Catrer's big mistake was not allowing the largest terrorist event in the history of the world to occur on his watch and then follow that up by lying the country into an unnecessary war with a country that posed no threat to our national security.

If he had done that, he would have been a shoo-in for a second term.


Posted by: Dahagg | August 25, 2008 3:14 PM

Well, my fact-challenged friend:

1. kidnapping and holding hostage an entire US embassy full of diplomats was probably the biggest terrorist incident to date in the world. carter's response. first do nothing. then talk talk. then send three US helos to crash in the desert because the defense budget didn't accomodate spare parts. then back to talk talk. then wait for Reagan to solve the problem.

the country that posed no threat back then was Iran. yep, that Iran. the one that is now either "still no threat" or if it's thursday, "a big threat".

Obama's energy policy - inflate your tires
Carter's energy policy - put on a sweater

Obama's fiscal solution raise taxes and punish profit

Carter's fiscal solution - fix prices every morning based on Roslyn's psychic

Carter's military budget - take last years and subtract 50%

Obama's military - delete, instead create giant peace forces equipped with flowers and condoms.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl- I saw some young bartenders in the hotel lobby that look ripe for the picking. What say we show them a cougar good time? Boys know experience matters.

Posted by: cougars for clinton | August 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

bhoomes - Oh, I don't know. How about McCain picking "his good friend" Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Do any of you honestly believe that any intelligent adult who has a comprehensive understanding of Bill and Hillary's positions and policies historically, have actually choose to support John McCain, mysogynist, and shirt-chaser anti-women's rights activist over Sen Obama, who's positions and policies are within microns of Bill and Hillary's life work?"
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Spotlight, you're question is far too rational. The responses that it gives rise to are, to some extend, corroboration of your Operation Chaos supposition, but there really are far fewer of those than total numbers of "diehard Hillary supporters." The other reasonable explanation for a Democrat to choose McCain over Obama? Race. It was overt in Appalacia and elsewhere.

Posted by: abqcleve | August 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Walen: Curious why Hillary has raised millions for O, campaigned in Florida and P last week for him,and why in the world you would now expect any HC supporter to vote for your guy when you make comments like this:

"This election is rightfully a Democratic rejection of everything "Clinton".

Is this truly what Obama supprters believe this election is all about?

I will anxiously wait to hear those words uttered in Denver this week b/c apparently that is precisely the attitude of your suppoters and your campaign. Somehow I mistakenly thought it was the rejecton of W's Adinistration, not Bill's but apparently primary voters were incorrect.

Posted by: Leichtman | August 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Is AsperGirl really Ann Colter?

Posted by: txajohnson | August 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Appropos the thumb sucking that appears to have taken over the Clinton partisans, I can only be thankful that Clinton did not receive the nomination.

The prospect of these "adults" dealing with the economy or that 3.00 a.m. phone call is beyond comprehension, and not far removed from the mindlessness of the current administration.

Posted by: tjgpdx | August 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Cougars unite! If obama doesn't want us we can find some boy-toys in the gop that'll let us call the shots.

Posted by: cougars for clinton | August 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Last chance to send money to Clinton instead of Obama, to show Obama the back of your hand. Even small amounts, like the price of a lunch, add up on the Internet!

www.hillaryclinton.com

After the convention, donate at:

www.johnmccain.com

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the boys of the Dem. Party stole the primary and he then even has the balls to support FISA...I don't know him, I don't like him, I'm not voting for him. And, if that's whining, so be it.

Posted by: Jules D. | August 25, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

why is Diane72 permitted to post here? She is abusive, racist, and pointless. I'd say she crossed the free speech line long ago.

Posted by: gk | August 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

John Avlon on CNBC: "The Obamas have gone out of their way to honor the Clintons."

Ha! The lip service, while engaging in passive aggressive and ignoring behavior disrespecting the Clintons, doesn't amount to "honoring" the Clintons.

It's amazing how impressed Obama supporters are with those nominal, superficial and niggling gestures Obama has barely tossed in their direction in exchange for the 18 million votes he wants!

Even if one does vote for Obama, send your donation to the Clintons. Obama doesn't deserve it.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

My friends, i want to thank you, particularly the supporters among you, for spreading lies, rumors and innuendo about my opponent. God knows he'll clean my clock if we have to compete on policy.

Posted by: McCainiac | August 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Ted Kennedy will be in attendance tonight, we conservatives have been hard on him over the years, but nobody should be defined by their worst conduct. He has character flaws like all of us, but he is loyal to his friends and his handshake and word is golden. Let's all have class and wish him the best in his final months of his life.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that after the supposed great Clinton years they managed to lose the white house. You don't suppose this had anything to do with Clinton? Us Democrats don't owe the clintons a darn thing. Gore lost because of him.

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Bill Clinton and his healthy ego are struck that Republicans claim to be the heirs to the legacy of Ronald Reagan twenty years after he left office. Meanwhile, Clinton's trusted VP distanced himself from the administration, and no candidates, other than his wife, would claim his legacy this year.

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

As I see it, most of the "Clinton appeasement" stories are totally media-created. I would like to sit back and actually hear what both Bill and Hillary have to say before I believe any of this media-driven hype.

Chris- for shame.

Posted by: MEinVA | August 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

It's costing Obama much, much more to try to make up for Clinton voters with ads and registrations than it would to retire her campaign debt outright.
Not only is it costing Obama more to outreach to make up for the Clinton voters than it would to just pay off her camapign debt outright, he's not really a blazing success at brushing them off.
Not a smart businessman, his grudge is not only costing him and his supporters, but it could cost the Democrats the election this Fall.
Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 3:13 PM

He can't pay off Hillary's debt "outright," there's a cap on contributions and it's a lot lower than the $30 million that smart businesswoman borrowed. Bill, being married to Hillary, could easily pay it off with the $100 million he's made since 2000, but he doesn't seem to want to.

Posted by: Aleks | August 25, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break with all of this nonsense
about Obama having to work triple time to appease the Clinton/McCain/Rove Propoganda
machine.
Obama has behaved responsibly during the primary campaign, in both a fiscal sense as well as ethical accountability.
The same cannot be said by the Clintons, or the pseudo Clinton supporters trying to disrupt any Democratic harmony, Don't get sucked into this nonsense yet again.
Your children's future depends on it.

Posted by: ronmbo | August 25, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

John Avlon on CNBC: "It's Hillary Clinton who needs to de-fang these PUMAs."

As if the people who supported her and don't support Obama are like the obedient, submissive cult people in the Obama camp.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I doubt any really care they are just opportunists who are using this Hillary issue to forward their own agendas. These people would never get a shot on Larry King or any main stream media normally so they jump on this. The one woman based in Miami, I forget her name is a joke. To her this is an opportunity to make a buck with her website but it doesn't seem to be working. The last rally she formed she got 4 as in "4" to show up. This Hillary thing is completely overblown.
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How can it be that Hillary women, hung-up, on feminism of the worst sort, are so intent on being spoilers and giving substance to all the old nasty myths about women: thoughtless, emotional, flaky, romantic, fickle, etc.

Do you Clinton diehards want to give substance to this silly stereotype? Are you middle-aged ladies, former flower girls of the 70's, so attached to the nostalgia for your youth that you do not see what it going on in America, at this moment, and will like the French politicians of Vichy France make decisions having nothing to do with current reality when your moment has come to decide?

This election has NEVER been all about Hillary. This election is rightfully a Democratic rejection of everything "Clinton".

Get over it or vote for McCain along with all the other ignorant underclass of America that has recently voted against its own interest.

Posted by: walden | August 25, 2008 3:27 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton and his healthy ego are struck that Republicans claim to be the heirs to the legacy of Ronald Reagan twenty years after he left office. Meanwhile, Clinton's trusted VP distanced himself from the administration, and no candidates, other than his wife, would claim his legacy this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

How can it be that Hillary women, hung-up, on feminism of the worst sort, are so intent on being spoilers and giving substance to all the old nasty myths about women: thoughtless, emotional, flaky, romantic, fickle, etc.

Do you Clinton diehards want to give substance to this silly stereotype? Are you middle-aged ladies, former flower girls of the 70's, so attached to the nostalgia for your youth that you do not see what it going on in America, at this moment, and will like the French politicians of Vichy France make decisions having nothing to do with current reality when your moment has come to decide?

This election has NEVER been all about Hillary. This election is rightfully a Democratic rejection of everything "Clinton".

Get over it or vote for McCain along with all the other ignorant underclass of America that has recently voted against its own interest.

Posted by: walden | August 25, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

When Obama is OFFICIALLY the Democratic Presidential nominee, will the Right Wing Media and the Obamabots allow the Clintons to do whatever Obama wants them to do to elect him? Or will you still be divisive at the WAPO, other media outlets and the left blogosphere?

What will you discuss at this paper when Bill and Hillary return to their regular lives, she in the Senate and Bill to his foundation?

In case you and your readership have not heard, this election is Obama vs McCain. Hillary has already been campaigning and raising money for Obama.

And for the record, it is not at all unusual for another candidate to retire a competitor's debt. Hillary retired the Gov of PA's debt this primary cycle. Grow up and learn about the process and stop spreading LIES!

Posted by: ROTTEN | August 25, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

The country deserves to suffer through 4 more years and at least one more war under preisdent mccain, and even then, the dimwitted electorate still wont have figured it out. Talk about getting what you deserve.

Posted by: pj451 | August 25, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Lynn-

More like PUMA= McCain '08 and '12. There is little doubt anymore that this group is mostly McCain moles trying desparately to keep up Operation Chaos.

Give us a break!

Posted by: MEinVA | August 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Wants Obama to help her raise money to pay off the debt she acquired
trying to beat him. This is a first in politics."

No actully its been a tradition of the winnner, Mondale and Kerry to get their fundraisers to help pay off their opponent's debt--Howad Dean)
And talk bout whining: You are already blaming the Clintons if YOUR candidate loses in Nov, "unless they work their butts off for the annointed one." chutzpah

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons (especially Bill Clinton) just can't let their egos go. Bill Clinton wants to be remember as not only the greatest Democratic president but the greatest president period in the last 50 years.

All the political pundits know that if Ross Perot had not run in 1992, Bill Clinton would have lost the 1992 election.

But it is what it is.

Bill Clinton sees the potential "greatness" that an Obama presidency would overshadow his own. Also a successful Obama presidency would replace Bill Clinton as the "ALPHA DOG" in the Democratic Party for the next 40 years, and Bill just can't stand it, especially, since he was on the opposite side of this "political" history-first from the beginning.

It would not surprise me to see Bill Clinton diminish Obama's candidacy and the Democrats' chances in November 2008. It's Bill Clinton first, country second.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 25, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

President and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama Contrast With D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain


Growing Up

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain was privileged, given everything by both parents, and worked for nothing.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama grew up poor, raised by his Irish-American single white mother and Irish-American white working class maternal grand parents. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama was given nothing and worked for everything.

Education

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain was a D student and graduated last in his class. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain and McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire share failed academic records. He partied constantly and dependent on favor handouts from his high ranking father and grandfather. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain earned nothing on his own similar to McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain is also Internet illiterate which slows down his information processing capacity. Is this good for the country?


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama worked hard and became PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW. Everything that Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama accomplished he did on his own. Irish-American Barack Obama’s HARVARD Scholarship ranks among the best. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s hard work represents the American Dream.


Community Service

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain poor studies translated into poor performances in the military where he crashed several planes and recklessly endangered the lives of others. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain was never trusted by his colleagues nor loved by his peers. The highlight of D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain’s career was getting shot down and becoming a prisoner. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain served his country by getting handouts from his guards. Getting handouts seems to be D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain’s modem of operations. Will McSuper Rich Seven Mansions McCain, who finished 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy and who lost five jets, return competence to the White House? To lose one plane over Vietnam may be a heroic tragedy; to lose five planes here and there is carelessness.

Irish-American Barack Obama turned down large profits after graduating from HARVARD LAW to serve the community in Chicago where help was needed most. The community learned to trust and love Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama for his dedication to public service.


Marriage

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain walked out on his family to chase a younger woman who was on drugs, embezzling money from her company, stealing, and facing criminal charges, until her privileged family saved her from trial. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain’s dysfunctional family represents chaos and lack of respect when he curses her in public.


Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama married an intelligent IVY LEAGUE attorney and adores his beautiful young daughters. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama’s First Family represents what America is striving for. Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama has always been surrounded by and still maintains a great respect for women (Irish mother, Irish grandmother, sister, wife, and two daughters). If anyone is in tune with and favors the betterment of working American women, then it’s Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

International Diplomacy

The World wants no more chaotic McBush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire-D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain.


The World loves Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama and will follow America’s leadership behind Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama.

If D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain had to make another emergency landing on a deserted island with Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama onboard as one of the passengers, then it is safe to say that D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain would assume the role of Gilligan, while Irish-American and Harvard Law Scholar Barack Obama would assume the role of the professor.


Navy pilot John Sidney D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III was being held prisoner of war. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

When the communist learned that D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's father was Admiral John S. Seven Mansions McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat. Since D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain got 28 medals, that equals out to a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Former naval officer and the owner of an OOIIILLLL-trading company that inked defense contracts worth $1 billion is the modern presidential money man. The law forbids high-level supporters from writing huge checks, but with help from friends in the Middle East D Student McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain is receiving large donations.


MCSUPER RICH SEVEN MANSIONS WALL STREET OOIIILLLL MILLIONAIRE MCCAIN WANTED TO BE KERRY’S VP AND RUN AGAINST BUSH WALL STREET OOIIILLLL MILLIONAIRE

John McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain really can't stand George W. Bush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire. McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain's rhetorical flirtation with the idea of becoming Sen. John Kerry's running mate is just the latest act in an ongoing intramural psychodrama that began in 1999.

McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain saw Bush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire as a pampered kid being set up in the family business — presidential politics — on the strength of his father's connections and access to money.

McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain railed in private about this. He tried to laugh about it, but he was seething inside. McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain was from royalty, too, in his own way — Navy royalty. He was the namesake of a famous father, and that smoothed his path to Annapolis and helped keep him there.

The good ol' boy supporters of the Bush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire team savaged McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain and his family, spreading vicious rumors. The boys didn't have to be told what to do. They knew. They'd done it before, to others.

Letting bygones be bygones
After it was all over, Bush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire, with his usual steely geniality, told McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain that the rough stuff of the primary season was not his fault and, in any case, was just politics. Time for bygones to be bygones. Exactly what the senator said in reply isn't known. But Bush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire and Karl Rove knew that they couldn't afford to antagonize McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain further. McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain, for his part, didn't want his "maverick" reputation to rob him of the chance to be a major player in a capital dominated by his fellow Republicans.

Virtually every big-hitting corporation with business in Washington needs to see Rove & Co., of course, but they also, quite often, need to see the senator.

McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain needs the president to champion their shared belief that force — and only force — can teach.

The fun of needling Bush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire
But McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain still finds it hard not to remind the White House of his independence, and can't resist needling Bush Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire even when he dutifully is arguing the president's case. We were right to go to Iraq, McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain says repeatedly, but he has been increasingly tough on the administration's intelligence-gathering problems and use of intel in making its case for war.

The question of the veepship is true that McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain and Kerry are close. They are perhaps the leading members of an informal caucus of Vietnam Veterans in the Senate, a fiercely loyal group that tends to eschew party lines whenever possible to express solidarity with one another. It's also true that, like any politician, McSuper Rich Seven Mansions Wall Street OOIIILLLL Millionaire McCain likes to make news, likes to be in the limelight and likes to be asked if he has any interest in being a partner on a national ticket.

Posted by: McRich McCrash McDstudent McCain | August 25, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

It would make some political sense for McCain to pick a woman as to further the wedge between HRC and Obama supporters, but it would have to be a conservative woman who is pro life. Best choices; Elizabeth Dole or Kay Baily Hutchinson. Or just to shake things up, Laura Bush.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 25, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

More than 80% of the country says it's on the wrong track. And it is. Say no to McCain and 4 more years of the same incompetence, the same stupidity, the same corruption.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Actually, McCain got into the Naval Academy because his father was an admiral and finished 5th from the bottom. Obama was accepted to Harvard Law and never put his race on the application.

For what it's worth John T, I doubt you would be admitted to either institution.

Posted by: Affirmative Action | August 25, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

PUMA!

McCain '08/Clinton '12


buh-bye Obama

Posted by: Lynn | August 25, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

With Obama having his way with EVERYTHING at the convention, it appears the DEMOCRATIC PARTY has forgotten what it stands for and

WHAT THE WORD DEMOCRACY really means!!!!

Write In Hillary 2008

**** the TRUE Democratic Party candidate with the 18+ million historic votes.

Posted by: librairie | August 25, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I have never heard such whining from the Clintons and SOME of her supporters
in my life.

- Wants Obama to help her raise money to pay off the debt she acquired
trying to beat him. This is a first in politics. No other loser
of either party has ever made such a demand. If she wants to settle her debt the 18 million we hear who voted for her should contribute $1.25 each.

- Her supporters want Obama to select her has VP. Get upset when they learn
he did not vet her. Evidently she did not want to be vetted UNLESS she was
chosen. Again, no other loser of either party has ever made such a demand.

- SOME of her supporters are willing to commit hari-kari and ignore the
reasons why they voted for her (assuming it was about more than just her
gender) rather than vote for Obama. It reminds me of the child who takes
the ball and goes home because they don't like the way the game is going.

- Is Bill still pouting?

- Her supporters threaten to hold their breath until she is given a major address
at the convention. They exhale when she is given a major role.

- Her supporter's latest complaint is they are not being given enough tickets to the convention.

Her supporters don't realize if Hillary and Bill don't bust their back-ends they
will be blamed if Obama loses. Then the flushing sound you hear is Bill's
legacy going down the toilet. And Hillary can forget future national
political aspirations not to mention she will find a very chilly reception
when she gets back to the Senate.

They need to grow up. Stop the whining and pouting. They are acting like
thin skinned children.

Posted by: Tom from San Jose | August 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

After the way Bill Clinton treated former President (and fellow Democrat) Jimmy Carter, he's in no position to complain. He was utterly graceless, and now the shoe pinches....

Posted by: Bill | August 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

HIS grudge, lame aspergirl?

It's time to stop coddling Hillary and get on with kicking the senile old man's butt.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

That 27% who will now back Senator McCain would back him anyhow. It has nothing to do with Senator Clinton not being in the race and everything to do with it. Senator McCain and Senator Clinton look like them - not implying at all that they are racist, so don't go there. What I am saying is that they are more comfortable with someone who looks like themselves. You cannot be a true Democrat and vote for John McCain over Barak Obama - the politics of Obama and McCain are just too different on so many levels and the politics of Obama and Clinton are just too much the same.

Posted by: Sharon | August 25, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

kingofzouk wrote:

" Carter lost in a landlside when he asked for re-approval. bush won."

==========================================

Yeah, you're right. Catrer's big mistake was not allowing the largest terrorist event in the history of the world to occur on his watch and then follow that up by lying the country into an unnecessary war with a country that posed no threat to our national security.

If he had done that, he would have been a shoo-in for a second term.

Posted by: Dahagg | August 25, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

James T. - you should be ashamed of posting those despicable remarks of yours - if you cannot speak to the issues instead of making nasty racist remarks, please don't post at all.
And Anonymous who posted "Hysterical Old Broads", the same message goes out to you.
Isn't it possible to make your points without being misogynistic or racist and ugly?

Posted by: Susan Fix | August 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It's costing Obama much, much more to try to make up for Clinton voters with ads and registrations than it would to retire her campaign debt outright.

Not only is it costing Obama more to outreach to make up for the Clinton voters than it would to just pay off her camapign debt outright, he's not really a blazing success at brushing them off.

Not a smart businessman, his grudge is not only costing him and his supporters, but it could cost the Democrats the election this Fall.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

This is for those Hillary supporters who will not vote or will vote for McCain. What are you five years old? You didn’t have your way and now you turn your backs on your country. Keep this in mind McCain and the RNC are playing you like a cheap fiddle. McCain’s record is very clear when it comes to women’s issues, veteran’s issues, middle class issues and so on. You love your children? If not then please go ahead and vote for McCain, his temper and saber rattling should show you he will jump in or start a war at a drop of a hat and when he does the draft will come screaming back to our country and your kids will be off to war and it wont be their choice. McCain is the total opposite of your parties view and your own views if you can’t see that then you are a fool. No one man knows it all Obama will surround himself with the best and the brightest and McCain will surround himself with lobbyist, people like Phil Gramm, Bush’s people and more of the same that we have dealt with for the past eight years. So its time to act like an adult and use your freaking brain for more than a hat rack.

Posted by: wolf 58 | August 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Better question would be how much of Bill Clintons policies will it take to get the economy growing as it did during his presidency?

Posted by: robinhood | August 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Clinton and Obama's policies are almost identical. Moreover, McCain made a rape joke, called his wife the "C" word, is pro-life and cheated on his first wife. If women prefer McCain over Obama - fine.

But don't complain when you're stereotyped as being emotional, don't cry when your son's go to war via a draft or appear stunned as safety net programs that help single mothers are dismantled. Just vote for McCain and shut up already.

Posted by: Enough Already | August 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve: wrote: . . Bill did seek to discount Obama in SC and furthermore, Hillary played the same vein in her "hardworking, white Americans" comment. Bill can't be both the "first black president" and a race baiter, ya know....

abqcleve, if that's your definition of race-baiting, then Obama played one with his "pictures on the dollar bills" statement. ( a popular joke within the black community ). By the way since when is being compared to Jessie Jackson a bad thing unless you're a Republican?!

Posted by: Coldcomfort | August 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

the royals are not amused. his majesty is aghast that the little people didn't fall in line and pretend that his wife, whose only accomplishment in life is marrying well, is competent to do anything beyond hosting tea parties, allowing her to pretend to be in the senate is not enough, she must be annointed queen, you lowly serfs must be taught to obey and genuflect to your betters, the clinton royalty

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 25, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I am really starting to feel that McCain, with Hillery's supporters help, will be our next President. His first Supreme Court pick will almost certainly, if he is to be believed, overturn their holiest of holies Roe v wade. I think the looks on their faces will be priceless.

Posted by: marc | August 25, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Clintons: quit whining & go away. And get a job Bill. Don't stain your past achievements by being a self-centered jerk now. Just be glad that Obama didn't bring up the cigar, you loser.

Posted by: Bo | August 25, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If the Clintons don't placate themselves they are going to have to placate the nation.

Greedy @%#@#%@#^@!$!$s!!!

Posted by: Kick out the traitors and saboteurs | August 25, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

dl et al:

Okay, you're right about Fiorina. She just looked and sounded so competent on "Morning Joe." So substitute the name "Tom Ridge" and the same arguments apply. A proven administrator elected in a semi-blue state, pro-choice, youngish...

...and because he's been there, maybe he can do a better job of policing the DHS to ensure it's not sponsoring draconian constitutional abuses. More on that here:

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

Posted by: scrivener | August 25, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm kind of in a bad mood today. Monday, you know?

So here's warmed over bird for all you Republican partisans out there. You stink. Your party stinks. And what your boy "W" has done to this great nation stinks even more.

Love,
Me

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | August 25, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"One reason Al Gore barely lost in 2000 was thanks to Clinton fatigue and the lackluster Clinton himself gave to the Gore campaign."

Gore didn't really want Clinton around for his campaign. A dumb move on his part.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I do hope that more of the Hillary supporters will decide to vote for that is best for the country rather than continue throwing this hissy fit!

Posted by: John C. Bonser | August 25, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"Can Obama Placate the Clintons"

I doubt it.

They are so far ahead of being placated.

Besides, the word isn't in their vocabulary.


Posted by: jatox | August 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Gees Chris, you sound as if you based your analysis on the works of Abbie Hoffman, "Never trust anyone over 30 (in Obama's case 46)"; "If you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem"; "Change is Good"-Yeah, Right On Brother...

However,if we didn't learn anything from the failures of 60's style politics, one would think that we did learn that Change for change's sake is not ALWAYS good and that sometimes the old Guard is right when it comes to not neccessarily accepting someone simply on face value. Abbie, Jerry and Tom's political limitations were largely one of asking the youth of the country to accept their philosophy on face value and largely because it WAS new (and admittedly exciting).

"Here's the new Boss
Same as the Old Boss"

"YAAAAAA Dont't get Fooled Again!"
The Who

Birddog

Posted by: Birddog | August 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, Obama is getting what he reaped; Obama was shouting "race-card" so long and loud, I thought it was discount day at NASCAR.

AND ALL OF Obama's charges were false.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | August 25, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Of course this is all about the Clintons. This convention is primarily held every four years for the Clintons to authorize the next democratic candidate. All about the Clintons. Hi-Larious.

I'm not sure if it's the Clintons themselves or the media's obsession with these Clintons. Outside of the year 2000 and outside the New York state lines, I have a gut feeling that no one without a microphone clipped to his/her lapel Gives a Flip.

Except for Rush.

Posted by: Worthy Evans | August 25, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Obama camp and Obama DID SYSTEMATICALLY take apart the Clintons during the primaries (it used to be called PROPAGANDA....worked for Bush,et al), including Bill Clinton's historic presidency as a Democrat (I guess you ALL forgot what he did for the ECONOMY....does the word SURPLUS ring a bell?!!). Obama even yelled racism! at the Clintons! Obama EVEN compared Clinton to Bush!!! This man, Obama, who has absolutely NO EXPERIENCE (unless of course, you count 143 days as experience!) actually thinks he is on the same level as the Clintons. I am again LAUGHING OUT LOUD. Obama has NO EXPERIENCE, and THAT!!! is WHY!!! he STILL (after spending millions upon millions....oh yeah, there's also NOW a movie made of him by Ken Burns, just for the big show to make this man look like he is EXPERIENCED, or a family man, regular American, etc or whatever!) will not carry enough votes in the general election. Once again, after 8 HORRIBLE years with Bush/Cheney/Rove, the people FINALLY NOW KNOW a phony when they see one. Obama is just like GWB. All smoke & mirrors and NO EXPERIENCE and THAT is WHY!!! people will NOT vote for him.
Write In Hillary 2008 the TRUE LEGITIMATE Democratic Historic Vote Getter!

Posted by: librairie | August 25, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Bill Clinton is that he thinks everything is about Bill Clinton.

One reason Al Gore barely lost in 2000 was thanks to Clinton fatigue and the lackluster Clinton himself gave to the Gore campaign. Are Democrats supposed to be grateful for that after what George W. Bush as done to this country? Geez, Louise!

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | August 25, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

What's McCain's VP Holster: O, just an Indiana Lugar!
Dump Pimp and 'Loose-Lips'
Hillary/Richardson 08

Posted by: JC | August 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"WRONG. I've never voted for a Republican, in any local or national election. I'm such a consistent voter that one year I drove an hour and back to vote when I was studying for an exam."

For someone who is just turning Republican, you sure seem well versed in the Republican talking points.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA NEEDS THE CLINTONS BECAUSE HE NO LONGER DRAWS A CROWD !!

OBAMA HAS TO GIVE OUT FREE TICKETS AND FREE BUTTONS

BECAUSE HE SURE CAN'T SELL EM


HE CAN'T SELL US ANYTHING MORE


NEXT WEEK - McCAIN CHOOSES COLIN POWELL

AND IT'S ALL OVER


Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

""There is still work to do on the Bill Clinton front," writes Howard Wolfson, a former senior adviser to Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential bid, in a New Republic piece entitled "Smothering the Hatchet." "He feels like the Obama campaign ran against and systematically dismissed his administration's accomplishments. And he feels like he was painted as a racist during the primary process."
******************

Wolfson, if I were you, I'd just go get a new client. Bill and the rest of the world know a) that Obama PRAISED Bill's accomplishments repeatedly; b) Bill did seek to discount Obama in SC and furthermore, Hillary played the same vein in her "hardworking, white Americans" comment. Bill can't be both the "first black president" and a race baiter, ya know....

Posted by: abqcleve | August 25, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

A "Politically Unimpeachable Minatorious Assault" on the DNC Organized by Rush Limbaugh and his fellow GOPher associates of disarray.

Question:

Why do people keep referring to these "PUMA's" as Clinton supporters when they admit to being receptive to the candidacy of HRC's antithesis John McSame?

Do any of you honestly believe that any intelligent adult who has a comprehensive understanding of Bill and Hillary's positions and policies historically, have actually choose to support John McCain, mysogynist, and shirt-chaser anti-women's rights activist over Sen Obama, who's positions and policies are within microns of Bill and Hillary's life work?

Come on people (or rather Sheepeople)I hear Rush Limbaugh in every smurking tongue in cheek remark made by these so called "PUMA's".

This was the plan all along, It didn't matter who won the democractic primaries, there has been multiple Republican grassroot organizations actively considering and researching this since early last year. It's simple, wish we had of thought of it, build support for who ever comes in second, constantly beat down the qualities of the lead Guy or Gal, suggest a "dream ticket" then talk that down based on John and John in 2000, then overstate the size and political "leanings" of this so called group of democrats (reagan democrats who voted for Bush in the last 2 elections.)

Don't worry Dems, they are like fish out of water, time is on OUR side, and fish have no legs to stand on.

the true definition of PUMA's

Party Unity my Ass (My ASS!!)

We know who you are you cannot fool all the people of the web all the time that's the dead and gone politics of old

PUMA AKA
"Politically Unimpeachable Minatorious Assault"

Posted by: Spotlight | August 25, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I still say Al Gore would have been the one to go to with hat in hand and beg to run as VP. . . . . . But Biden is a good choice.

Rather than shy away from the energy issue ( because of McCain’s popular offshore drilling stance ), Obama should hit the issue head on. . . . Not by dealing with the issues of drilling or nuclear power, but by picking-up Gore's Ten-Year-Challenge and running with it -- and running hard. Obama, if he’s worth his salt, can turn this into a winning issue.

THINK OF WHAT the equivalent of $1 per gallon gasoline would to for our economy! . . All because we went to generating all our electricity by 100% renewables!! . . . . Sound too good to be true? – Well it isn’t.

Obama can win the energy issue. He has Al Gore; what he needs is the vision and the zeal. . . . . . If Obama gets vision and zeal (supposedly his strong suits), He wins in four major categories

1) The economic crisis,
2) The crisis of dependence on foreign oil,
3) The madness in the Middle East,
4) And decrease the climate crisis.
. . . . . . And he can do it, all at once.


http://www.wecansolveit.org/

Posted by: Coldcomfort | August 25, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse


OH CHRIS CRUDZOLA WITH HIS GET 'EM GOING BYLINES

GIVE OBAMA THAT BIG WET KISS AND GET IT OVER WITH

WE'LL ALL CHEER

HERE IS REAL REAL JOURNALISM

AMY GOODMAN OF DEMOCRACY NOW - TELLING HOW OBAMA SOLD OUT THE PRIVACY OF CITIZENS TO PAY FOR HIS

DENVER EGO-RAMA SHOW


HE'S A HOPELESS MONEY ADDICT


MR. BAIT & SWITCH

BUT THE KOOL AID CROWD IS COOLING

AND COMING OUT OF THEIR STUPOR TO SEE THE LIGHT OF THE EMPTY SUIT


OBAMA ROLLS OVER FOR MONEY

http://ia311205.us.archive.org/1/items/amy-goodman-column-20080724/Pod_ConventionsMoney_1-2.mp3

CENSURING DECENT IN A DEMOCRACY ? AT THE CONVENTION IN DENVER

http://ia311304.us.archive.org/2/items/amy-goodman-column-20080814/Podcast_20080814.mp3

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons will surprise everyone with their gracious and inspiring performances, McCain will disappoint during the GOP convention, the debates will be a wash, and Obama will ride a 6-9 point advantage until November, and will win the election.

Posted by: YYY | August 25, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

a lot of black people are hoping for obama to win??? do you know what obama can do to the black people??? nothing, really nothing compare to what black people themselves can do for themselves... only the people themselves (whether black, white, yellow, male, female, or gay) can change their lives... not anyone else... but just by themselves... i know because i came from a very poor neighbourhood... with lots of crimes going on... but i chose to be better and different from the rest of the people around me... and no one else's made that choice for me, but me.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"Well there is your opinion and then, on the other hand, there are facts."

The fact that simply because Bush won one more term than Carter does not make him a better president is unassailable. You can't dispute that.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you're going to see Carly Fiorina as a running mate for John McCain. She was involved in the spying and pre-texting scandle at HP, just how much so has never been fully explored. Ms. Fiorina was fired in 2005, largely as a result of intensive efforts by Walter Hewlett, the son of one of the founders of HP due in large measure to her acquisition of Compaq and decision to dump the highly profitable scientific and financial calculator lines (which were bone headed ideas). The reasons for that firing, too, has never been made public. AN exploration of all of this would distract the McCain campaign and, if anything illegal turned up (and you could pretty much assume it would, based on the lack of explanation for her firing), it would sink the McCain campaign once and for all.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I am a Republican and will be voting for Barack Obama. The lies of John McCain have not gone unnoticed by me and I can't vote for him and call myself a good American.

Posted by: No longer GOP | August 25, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

>>mibrooks27 wrote: "Aspergirl is fairly typical of the independents I speak of. She is involved with investment banking, I believe, well educated, and is finacially upper class. If you go back and read her posts, she is one of those independents that lean, and nomally vote, Republican. She likely would be a Clinton voter, and may well support other moderate to conservative Democratic candidates, but only if they were women. I'd bet she voted for Bush both time and hasn't voted for a Democratic Congressman or Senator in years. This is exactly the sort of "Democratic" voter we ought not attract, because, in order to do so, we would need to nominate and support a Presidential candiate so conservative that they would be detrimental to our Congressional and other candidates."

WRONG. I've never voted for a Republican, in any local or national election. I'm such a consistent voter that one year I drove an hour and back to vote when I was studying for an exam.

I'm just totally disillusioned by all the cynical, phony politics that has entered into the race this year, the blatant and crude sexism, having an under-qualified and lightweight racial preference candidate push aside a really qualified woman, and having a horde of stupid liberal arts losers crying to raise my taxes.

The biggest turn-off to the Democrats this year is all the Jimmy Carter revivalists who, along with Obama, are crying about financial injustice and who want to tax me to support their utopia. What is the big turnoff is that the people in the media, liberal arts and ivory tower left-wing who are the cultural base for Obama are the same people who didn't study in college, who went on spring break, and who took whole weeks off to get involved with boyfriends and girlfriends while in college.

Meanwhile, I was studying day and night, during breaks and had no summers in Europe. Only now, I can make money while Obama netroots on DailyKos whine that they should tax me because: "how can someone with a liberal arts degre get a job in this economy"?

All the useless, feel-good and partying, cool people in college are the same kinds of people pushing Obama now, and sneering down and "low information" blue collar workers, businessmen and small business people. They want to tax the same electricians with six figure small businesses whose butt cracks they laugh at in their condescending way when talking about "Clinton voters", to correct the "social injustice" of their having a hard time getting a job with a liberal arts degree and a C average from a 4th rate state school.

They say when you're young if you have a heart you're a Democrat and if when you get older if you have a brain you become a Republican. Well, I think the transition point comes when you realize that all the people pushing all the perfect-worlder, fatuous social programs politics are the narcissistic, affected losers who never worked as hard as you did.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse


CAN OBAMA PLACATE THE CLINTONS ??

CAN OBAMA PLACATE THE CLINTON VOTERS !?!

HELL NO


NOW THE OBAMA BOYS ARE AT THE LAST MINUTE "CHANGING" THE RULES FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE


GOOD BYE OBAMA

BACK TO CHICAGO


YOU DON'T EVEN BELONG IN POLITICS THERE


Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Reading some of these posting really make me sad. 2008 and we still have these ignorant people. Brown/Black/White/Yellow this country is in major trouble and we have some people hung up on a person skin color! This great nation of ours is in trouble and to continue on the same course is foolish....we need change!

Posted by: Noneck | August 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Barber...
You fail to acknowledge that the "baby" whose brains are being sucked out is, in fact, not a "viable" infant at all, but rather usually a hydrocephalic or other massively malformed infant who cannot be vaginally delivered safely, and, even if born by C-section is destined to die shortly after birth. The procedure you inaccurately describe is only done to avoid surgery and possible risk to the life and health of the mother.

I hope you never have to face the prospect of deciding between undergoing such a procedure and giving up your own life, or risking permanent infertility. Of course, I suspect you are an old white man who will never face that prospect.

Posted by: Susan E. | August 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of Obama and the way his campaign tried to mischaracterize and demonize the Clintons.

The more I hear of Obama, the less I feel I'll have to hold my nose when voting Republican for the first time ever this November.

I'm a life-long Democrat who can't wait to see that arrogant, smug, incompetent junior from Ill. lose by a landslide. Or even by a nose.

Posted by: Lynn | August 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain has already sold his soul. I've seen politicians get corrupted before, but never so quickly. What a downfall. So all this Clinton vs. Obama stuff won't make any difference because Americans are starting to see what an opportunistic egomaniac he is. He'll do and say anything to win. He stands for nothing, and therefore has nothing better to do than to whine about Obama.

Posted by: WFT | August 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Do parents still teach their kids about being a Sore Loser? Apparently not in the Clinton Family, if you dont win, burn it all down. If we cant have it, then neither can you.

What a sad, pathetic display. This is a HUGE reason why I am glad Hillary didnt get the nomination. Imagine what kind of President she would have made. Scary thought.

I mean just on her way home she was dodging sniper bullets.
God Bless the poor little woman, she caught a bit of what Margaret Thatcher has.

Posted by: Socom | August 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Nothing can placate the Clintons.

They need to shut up and move away so that Obama can his day!

As long as Bill and Hill are on the podium they are sucking the life out of the Obama- Biden campaign. The Republicans see this clearly and that is why they are lapping up the discord and keep Hill's face plastered on their TV ads. The Clintons are political poison for Obama. The best thing would have been for them not to speak at the convention. Their speechs doom two Democratic campaign highly expensive publicized prime time events to drain the Obama - Biden message. They might as well ask George Bush Sr. or Bob Dole to speak. Hillary's best chance of mending the situation is to ask her delegates to vote for Obama, which she now says she will not do. Why not? She is not doing that so that she doesn't offend them as that might disaffect them from her next run for the presidency. She is already plotting and planning for that. There is not a spontaneous bone in anything she does or says. Bill and Hill's speechs will be carefully parsed and planned for Hill's next run for office. Endless TV time will be analzying their subliminal messages. This is a lose lose situation. I am very upset and sorry that the Obama campaign had to cede these two self seeking politicians prime time that should be used to keep America's eyes on the price and promoting the Obama- Biden ticket not Hill/Bill 2012.

Posted by: Madeleine | August 25, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Outside the box

adn the rest are you guys all just being funny...

Carly Fiorina

you all must be dems acting like repubs...

Carly has NO legislative experience...or judgement...EVER.

She has no experience getting anything accomplished in a political body like congress.

NO clear success at economic leadership even (successfully climbing a corporate ladder is not the same as economic leadership) and her career at HP is mixed at best...

She just pulled facts out of thin air in her arguments during this primary and was caught several times.

Has she made a single judgement on foreign policy that is not since she was pumping for mccain and repeating his stances.

Has she been good at team leading ...the memos speak differently. Have you seen apolitical candidate or official that has ever been elected with atrail of pissed off people behind them as long as Fiorina's...lol.

Number one - could anyone see Carly Firina really being President ...ever. This is McCain's first decision as a potential President...picking her to run our international and social/economic, and policy/legal and constitutional affairs.?

yeah if he picks her he would be givinf his...
oy...he just would never be that stupid.

c'mon...bring up a real potential candidate. Fiorina isn't even in the realm of possibility.

Posted by: dl | August 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Without a doubt in my mind, I will proudly be voting for John McCain in about 71 days. I think it is comical the corners Obama has backed himself into with not only the Clintons, but with picking Biden as well. Biden doubts him, and President Clinton doubts him. I must admit I am not a Clinton supporter by any means, but I am smart enough to recognize Bill Clinton as one of the greatest assets to the Democratic Party in this modern era. Part of Obama's problem is that he is as arrogant as he looks. This week will be very interesting no matter which party you support. I believe Obama has finally gotten himself into a pinch big enough that his own verbal gymnastics will not save him. To quote the lyrics of one of my favorite songs, "The Rock Candy has melted, and only diamonds now remain." I am praying people will finally see him for the dishonest, opportunistic man he is.

Posted by: Eric Amacher | August 25, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am a Republican, but I need to fight the losing fight in the hopes of all feminists and Lesbians. This was supposed to be our time to shine.

Posted by: AsperGirly | August 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters have nothing against Obama (actually, we like him alot). It's the DNC that p**sed us off first, followed by the ridiculous storylines the media focused on during the primaries. None of that is Obama's fault, and we'll enthusiastically vote for him in November. Also, we're getting a little fed up with McCain and the GOP trying to drive a wedge in the Democratic party. Butt out.

Posted by: DRK | August 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Count me as one Dem who will never vote for
Obama bin Binden.
No need to detail the endless lies and flipflops and sleaze of Hussein.
Or his America Hating Harridan of a corrupt wife.
And when Hussein loses and the Blacks riot and torch their neighborhoods and go on a looting spree then the rest of America will be dancing in the streets that we were spared that lying fraud
Obama bin Biden.

Posted by: JamesT | August 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Other than showing Hillary Clinton the common courtesy that should be owed to her because of her results in the primaries, there is no reson that placating the Clintons needs to be high on Obama's agenda. Its questionable that the Clinton's are looking for much placating or that Obama is looking for much from the Clinton's during the campaign. As far as change goes, so far Obama's contribution seems to be spending more money than any one else and displaying a lower threshold to trigger negative campaign advertising.

Posted by: dnjake | August 25, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Let the almighty catharsis begin!!

Is it Thursday yet?

Posted by: Susan | August 25, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

i am a registered democrat, but i will not vote for obama. i would have if it was hillary for president... sorry democrats... you won't get my vote this time...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

NOW HILLARY PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AT MCCAIN EVENTS EN MASS.

Almost nobody shows up to McCain events.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:21 PM

How true and funny.

Posted by: BORING | August 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of the Clintons and what they have done and are doing to Obama. Hillary lost, regarless of how many votes she got, she still lost. Her supporters had their voice when they cast their votes. She wants to make this her convention and she is stealing a historic moment from every African-American only so the focus can be put on her. To all of her supporters Hillary could not have been vetted still owing 24 millions in campaign debt. Why don't the news media point that out. Why is the coverage all about McCain or the Clintons when this is Obama's time to shine. Why can't you understand what this means to every black child and the black youth watching this. This is a historic time for us and its being tainted and stolen from the Clinton and the news media

Posted by: cokomo | August 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

>>gbooksdc wrote: "Ya mean the Carly Fiorina who couldn't cut it running HP? That one? Quoting Wikipedia, "During her tenure, the market halved HP’s value and the company incurred heavy job losses." Sounds like the Bush administration. She probably IS the best the Repubs can come up with."

That's psycho junk spewed out by Obama netroots. No real professional bio of an executive would write up that way.

Besides, it's ignorant about what actually happened at HP and how her changes worked out for the company.

But stupid socialists and welfare mentality voters wouldn't understand a real explanation of Fiorina's tenure at HP and how her plans and strategies have really worked out for the company.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

scrivener - Aspergirl is fairly typical of the independents I speak of. She is involved with investment banking, I believe, well educated, and is finacially upper class. If you go back and read her posts, she is one of those independents that lean, and nomally vote, Republican. She likely would be a Clinton voter, and may well support other moderate to conservative Democratic candidates, but only if they were women. I'd bet she voted for Bush both time and hasn't voted for a Democratic Congressman or Senator in years. This is exactly the sort of "Democratic" voter we ought not attract, because, in order to do so, we would need to nominate and support a Presidential candiate so conservative that they would be detrimental to our Congressional and other candidates.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The republicans just can't stand the fact that they didn't get a chance to pull out the anti-clinton playbook. Does anyone remember how John McCain was one of the head cheerleaders for impeaching President Clinton? No real Hillary supporter is going to vote McCain.

Posted by: Judy Arl. | August 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Exactly, and Hillary Clinton scorned women better be aware that if McSame gets into office the two potential seats will be filled with right wingers who have no respect for women and what they believe is best for their bodies."

And I should care because...?

The Obama supporters have made it clear that this is a culture war and class warfare election year.

It's the poor women who have to worry about not being able to get access to abortions and other womens' health care. The same barely-old-enough-to-vote women trying to cram an inexperienced, lightweight president down our throats and tax people like me to support their utopia.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

...Just wait until McCain names CARLY FIORINA as his VP pick. She's intelligent, well-schooled in economic issues, and she projects a very compelling, competent (and attractive) persona. ...

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 25, 2008 12:49 PM
_______________________________________

Ya mean the Carly Fiorina who couldn't cut it running HP? That one? Quoting Wikipedia, "During her tenure, the market halved HP’s value and the company incurred heavy job losses." Sounds like the Bush administration. She probably IS the best the Repubs can come up with.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

You have got to be kidding

Bush better than carter

carter wasn't great...but Bush is the worst President in history...period.

the past 8 years a black spot on our history...

anyone who can't acknowledge that or saying Carter was worse than the guy who our great-grandchildren will be paying for his administration and mistakes...is just blathering for the sake of blathering.

and aspergirl

did you see the new RNC's new HUGE ad buy.

You are not helping Hillary and the situation she is in. I would actually really like to see hillary on the cabinet and/or still in the senate...all this stuff against the dems from a handful of her supporters and Mccain using the bet she took on going THAT negative is coming back to bite her.

so my advice if you really support the issues and values that Clinton put forward... you comments are going to hurt her more than anyone...

turn on your tv...look at what it is doing to her.

Posted by: dl | August 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

the clintons are like that dog doo you can't quite scrape off your shoe so you end up leaving your shoes outside.

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks to Obama's race baiting of the Clintons, I'm die-hard in my opposition to Obama. It's bad enough that he is the least qualified, shallowest, most self-aggrandizing presidential nominee of the modern era."

Another fake Democrat. you just run along and vote Republican -- you know, the party whose success is based on the votes of bigoted southern whites.

Posted by: Spectator2 | August 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of the Clintons. Hillary lost fair and square. While she cries & whines about sexism being introduced into the primaries. Did Obama use racism as an excuse and he sure could have. How in the world could Hillary be vetted for VP when she still owes 24 million in campaign debt. That needed to be paid first if I am correct. So why blame Obama because he did not choose her. The fault lies with her and all her complaining supporters who did not come up with the money to relieve her of her debt. Why don't they put their money where their mouth is. And why don't the news media let America know that she could not be vetted with that debt hanging over her. The news media continue to add wood to the fire giving those die hard Hillary supporters a platform, letting them believe they have more power than they actually do. Since Hillary and Obama was so close on the same issues if those die hard supporters of Hillary were truly honest the only reason they would vote or consider to vote for McCain is because they do not want to see a Black man in the White House. I know for a fact the whites will move out of a neighborhood when blacks start to move in. So that tells me why they do not want to vote for Obama. Let's be real about it. And what about all of Obama's die hard supporters especially the African Americans who can see past what the Clintons are doing. They will do anything to stop or hinder Obama from getting to the White House. Their actions will not be forgotten or forgiven when Hillary ever decides to run again. Hillary will never gain the Black vote for whatever office she runs for in the future. She lost, she needs to accept that. She could never be a role model for my grand-daughter because she is not able to accept defeat, she is not gracious and she only thinks about what she wants. She is to self-serving. She is not a team player and she has no sportsmanship. I use to like her but I lost all respect for her.

Posted by: cokomo | August 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Howard Wolfson on the Rift:

"To be clear, I believe both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have done much to heal the rifts endemic to a long primary. Hillary has done more than any runner-up in the history of the Democratic Party to support and campaign for the nominee since her concession. She has traveled the country making campaign appearances for Senator Obama, imploring her supporters to vote for him, and successfully urging her donors to support him financially. And on Tuesday, I expect she will offer another strong speech in support of his candidacy. Columnists can project their fantasies on her motives--but her actions on behalf of Senator Obama are clear and unambiguous. She wants him to win and is working towards that goal.

"Similarly, by encouraging Senator Clinton's name to be placed in nomination, Senator Obama has shown real respect for her and her supporters. That roll call will be an important unifying event, and is a credit to Senator Obama's foresight and understanding.

"There is still work to do on the Bill Clinton front. He feels like the Obama campaign ran against and systematically dismissed his administration's accomplishments. And he feels like he was painted as a racist during the primary process."

(more at http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a8c15050-14b9-4713-aae5-c5a4bd7789a9)

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Just a reminder ; vote .
If Obama gets elected , U.S Supreme Court Justice Stevens is 88 years old and most critical USSC decisions are coming in at 5 to 4 votes.
If Obama gets in, the extreme left will have absolutely no checks and balances against them if even ONE Supreme Court justice has to be replaced in the next 4 years.{ i.e.WildlandsProject, gun rights, property rights, parental rights, free speech,eugenics }

America had better wake up to the Soros / Obama coup d'etat

Posted by: rtfanning | August 25, 2008 12:35 PM
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Exactly, and Hillary Clinton scorned women better be aware that if McSame gets into office the two potential seats will be filled with right wingers who have no respect for women and what they believe is best for their bodies. Ladies, let's get real, I was on the fence with my choice between Hillary and Obama for a while, but what I know is true is that either of them is better than having McSame in office to pick the next Supreme Court Justice. Hillary Clinton WILL make the best choice to fill the next Supreme Court Justice position.

Posted by: Better Get Real! | August 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

CNBC Q: Preconvention bounce is 2-5 pct for Obama so far this week.

Lanny Davis: average bounce for convention is 5 percent over many decades, with exception of Clinton. Expect about 5 percent bounce for Obama, and anything above that is an overperformance.

CNBC Q: Will Michelle Obama herself reach out to Hillary Clinton tonight?

Some woman talking head: (laughs as if this is a hilarious joke) "No. She has to be careful to not act like Theresa Heinz Kerry and talk about herself too much".

(comment: seems like everyone believes the Obamas are self-obsessed narcissists, if you read between the lines)

CNBC Q: "How important is the spouse's image"

Some talking head: "Very important."

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

mibooks27:

Thanks for your reasoned and civil response, so rare here!

I agree with your points, and yes, in the end perhaps I will vote "Dem" because that's where I've been in recent presidential elections...

But once again, I'll probably be voting for a loser, if Hillary loses her will (or connives for '12) and gives up.

I am convinced Obama cannot win; he had to run the perfect campaign to come from nowhere to capture the presidency after only three years on the national scene. His vacillating and opportunistic performance in recent months has alienated his base -- how can he win among the general electorate? He can't.

My biggest concern is that Hillary will choose to withdraw from the fight for strategic purposes, to prepare for '12. Problem is, what further damage will be done to our democracy in the interim?

If she really cares about our country, she'll fight to the end NOW and not do what seems to be politically expedient. But that's an open question.

Posted by: scrivener | August 25, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

>>Anonymous wrote: "aspergirl can you really see carly Fiorina steppin gin as President of the uNited States? lol"

A lot more than I can see Obama doing anything productive in the next 8 years if he gets elected.

The fact that it's a visualization issue for you means that it's sexism.

I see Condoleeza Rice and Carly Fiorina as being the strongest VP's for McCain, all things considered. If he can overcome the sexist bias and blindness of his own party to install and executive woman on his ticket, he'd have millions of women following him from the Clinton camp.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

We all know what the media did to Al Gore in 2000. They literally began the rumor and kept it going that Al Gore was a Liar. We knew he was an honorable man but, they kept the lie going about Al Gore and he lost the presidency. We were stuck with the disaster that is George Bush.


In 2004 we almost won the White House again, despite the media helping the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth. They were a small group that did not get much attention until the traditional media picked up on it and promoted it as well as made it sound like these people were telling the truth about a cowardly Kerry. We knew they were so obviously a group out to destroy Kerry and that their charges did not pan out and yet, if not for the help of the media they never would have gotten traction or were seen as credible.


Now it's 2008.
We have had to suffer with 8 years of the disaster and the horror of George Bush's Presidency. Bush would never have gotten elected if the traditional media did not heavily promote him and cover up for him.
Now we have Free Ride McCain with his biography and image promoting him as a moderate, mainstream maverick being touted as the truth by the traditional media that refuses to tell the voters the truth about McCain.

They refuse to criticize him, talk about his continuing gaffes, his flipping on all the issues and more blatantly then Romney ever did and his outright lying.
They keep reminding the voters he is a war hero and POW and therefore is not to be criticized.

When have we ever heard nothing but, how Obama is so vauge and never speaking in detail, though it is patently false, they never say what it is that McCain even stands for outside of war and permanent tax cuts. They never cite that McCain has no real policies or details to the few he has.

Yet all we hear about every single day is how bad Obama is. How he is not performing adequately in the polls and how he is a disappointment to his party. How he only gives grand speeches and never does town halls or answers people's questions. They say people don't really know him.

In truth Obama has pages of addressing the issues, many issues in detail. more then most candidates have had.
He does alot more town halls then McCain does and goes into great detail about his policies and how he is going to achieve his goals.

Even with 27 years in the senate, we really do not know about McCain except for what he has released by his campaign. We don't know about who he really is or what kind of person he is behind the public mask.

We heard every day for the past 6 months how Obama has a problem with this group or that group and cannot do well with anyone but, college people and african americans. Nevermind that working class people in mostly white states handed victories of 25 points or better to Obama in the primaries.

Nevermind that he ran a flawless campaign. Nevermind that he is doing 2 or 3 to 1 over McCain with Latinos.
He still has problems with every group under the sun while McCain is appealing to everyone.

This weekend was the last straw for me. I feel like I am ready to go to every network and newspaper and scream bloody murder at them.
For weeks we heard about who would be the veep. Again Obama did a wise choice and used excellent judgment and picked Joe Biden. It was an outstanding pick.
But, instead of praising this choice and what excellent judgment Obama exhibited in his choice of Biden.
What we got was a weekend long campaign by the traditional media and I could swear was coordinated with the McCain campaign in talking only about Hillary, why he did not choose her, how she must feel insulted. How he slapped her supporters in the face and that the party is split beyond repair and how he was so stupid to not go with Hillary.

Nevermind that Obama was the one to win the nomination and it is his choice to pick a veep. It is his choice to go with someone he feels he can work closely with in a partnership. Nevermind that Bill's dubious business dealings and library donors would have sunk the campaign.
Nevermind that the republicans have 20 years of oppo research including about Bill's business dealing and lifestyle with other women.

No. We get the whole weekend dedicated to Hillary and her supporters and what a fool Obama is to pick Biden over Hillary.

Posted by: The corporate media is in the tank for the Rethuglicans....again | August 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"If I didn't actually have a set of priciples, and a coherent political philosophy,"

Was that change or experience or judgment or the surge is a failure or raise taxes to spur prosperity or kill just-borns or FISA or......

It's getting hard to keep up.

Posted by: Obamanable Snojob | August 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

hysterical old broads

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Okay, now I get it. AsperGirl is a Republican. She had me fooled for a while. (Then again, us Obama folks are pretty gullible!) If I didn't actually have a set of priciples, and a coherent political philosophy, she may have persuaded me to vote for McCain.

Posted by: scrapster | August 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Besides running an utterly incompetent, dysfunctional campaign, we are know witnessing why HRC lost. Many people are sick of the Bush/Clinton drama that has gone on for the past twenty years and want to turn the page on both regimes. The Big Dog is absolutely deranged over his legacy knowing that without getting another stint in the White House, he will forever be remembered as Monica's boyfriend and a nasty blue dress. As for the "PUMAs" and other assorted disgruntled, hysterical old broads, go ahead and vote for the ancient, senile,little Anti Choice Warmonger. I am sure that you will be very proud explaining your support to your Grand daughter.

Posted by: shiva7 | August 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't make Bush a better president than Carter.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 2:09 PM

Well there is your opinion and then, on the other hand, there are facts.

Posted by: Obamanable Snojob | August 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

i think that the fact that the Bo supporters keep bashing the Clintons makes them not vote for him even more. I mean--why would you support someone who dont' want your vote?

Posted by: Jay W | August 25, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense. We're democrats and we will vote for our candidate in November. Across the board, democrats realize that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama are the three most talanted public servants in our lifetimes, and all of us will work to ensure that John McCain isn't given the chance to drive this country further into debt, exclude middle and lower classes from the political process, and put us on the brink of war with Iran or N. Korea. After all, if anything, Sen. Obama resembles Bill Clinton in '92. Hillary supporters (and I am one) see Sen. Obama's good heart, sharp mind, and amazing ability to connect with people and have no qualms that, given our first choice fell short of the nomination, Sen. Obama is our nominee. We're ready for change on day 1!

Posted by: JanDem | August 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

With all do respect AsperGirl: She would not been asked to leave if she was doing such a great job at HP. And even if she did do a halfway decent job, what in Christ sake's are her qualifications to be Commander-in-Chief. None that I know of, its just based on the fact she's a woman. You need to join the dems if you want unqualfied people to be promoted on race or gender. We conservative have only one test. MERIT.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Clearly this split is painful and clearly Obama has shown himself to be a horrible leader for allowing this situation to go on and on as it has - Obama has only hurt himself by not making peace."

It's funny how everyone keeps blaming Clinton supporters or the Clintons for Obama's fracture of the Democratic party and it's failure to unify.

For months now, Obama has been the de facto leader of the Democratic party. Unlike what Obama believes, "leader" is not an empty word. He is, like any executive, responsible for the ship going down or staying afloat. It's on him if the party unifies or fails to, as it's ultimately his responsibility. That's true for any real leader and especially for this one, given how he's marketed himself with promises of transcendence, unification, healing divisions and leading with vision.

It's a total whitewash, how those who hail him as the The One keep blaming everyone BUT him for his inability to get Clinton voters behind him.

Especially since no one forced him to encoursge his supporters to snub Clinton's campaign debt, or told him to snub the Clintons or treat her as if there's some ongoing grudge he wants to nurse.

Obama's not a "leader", he's not executive material and he's responsible for any fissures or divisiveness in the party he's been "leading" for months now.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

NOW HILLARY PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AT MCCAIN EVENTS EN MASS.

Almost nobody shows up to McCain events.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"Don't think McCain-Fiorina won't attract mainstream Dems who can't believe that their party has succumbed to the siren song of an untested amateur with a good speech?"

Carly Fiorina nearly destroyed a great American company (Hewlett-Packard). She was fired, and got a multimillion dollar "golden parachute".

This will not go over well with voters who are concerned about their place in a shaky economy.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama made a massive mistake not healing the wounds with Hillary early, early on - in fact there should have been some sort of arrangement made in April between the two sides for the good of the party.

OK.

Clearly this split is painful and clearly Obama has shown himself to be a horrible leader for allowing this situation to go on and on as it has - Obama has only hurt himself by not making peace.

Obama's refusal to not take on Hillary's debt was crazy - Obama should have run to that debt.

I can just imagine what happened - McCain called Hillary - I hear you have some debt - what if I help you with some of that situation? NOW HILLARY PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AT MCCAIN EVENTS EN MASS.

Obama was a complete idiot on the handling of this - Obama has failed to unite his own party and he has had all summer to work on that - however Obama is supposed to be the uniter.


The complex analysis is this: Obama is supposed to be the new politics, the new leader, the transcendent one - except when it comes to Hillary (and when it comes to using false accusations of racial offense or racial themes to advance his own campaign.)


CLEARLY OBAMA IS A FRAUD TO HIS OWN CAMPAIGN THEMES. UNBELIEVABLE THAT THE MEDIA HAS NOT CALLED OBAMA OUT ON THIS - HE IS A MINORITY CANDIDATE WHO HAS WON THE NOMINATION BASED ON AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM FOR DELEGATE ALLOCATIONS AND APPORTIONMENTS.


Hillary had more Democratic Votes than Obama - why aren't the Democratic delegates at least tied?


This nomination was stolen from a White Woman based on an Affirmative Action Program.

A White Man has almost no chance to be nominated by the Democratic Party at this point.

If you do not agree with that statement, Ask Biden who has been in the Senate for 35 years and has more experience than anyone - the democratic party starved him for money while millions were going to Hillary, Obama and Richardson AND then very few Democrats wanted to VOTE for who was CLEARLY THE BEST AND MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION SENATOR JOE BIDEN.


Joe Biden - victim of the new Jim Crow Era in the Democratic Party - White Men have no chance.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | August 25, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl

can you really see carly Fiorina steppin gin as President of the uNited States?

lol

President Fiorina this is not some corporate ladder where you get to be President because you are good at climbing it...and being cut throat?

r u guys kidding...

c'mon.

If McCain picked Fiorina the election would be over... he might as well pick Martha Stewart is he was going to be picking a woman just for the sake of picking a woman.

Fiorina has just been caught making up facts every few weeks in her "new" speech about mcCain every few weeks.

I hope he picks Fiorina ...because that would be (and I can't stop laughing) the ...I don't know...the worst thing he could ever do to his campaign besides quit.

lol

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If you want to pick up the mantle on the Clinton legacy, hit the DEFICIT. Fact: 80% of our national debt was rung up by Regan, Bush I and Bush II -- and they had Congress on their side (Republican majority in at least one house) 60% of the time.

Clinton inherited $500 billion deficits and left 8 years later with the budget in balance.

It's an easy argument to make, and it cuts against the mythology of Dems as the irresponsible fiscal party. 28 years of track record is pretty hard to argue against.

Posted by: David | August 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The Biggest Missing Story in Politics


http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_biggest_missing_story_in_p.html


Sixty percent of Americans considered themselves conservative. Does this mean that most Americans do not know what "conservative" means? No: The question specifically provides an out to people who are not sure about their ideology; it provides an out to people who want to be considered "moderate." Americans reject those choices. They overwhelmingly define themselves as "conservative." This is a huge political story - except that it is not "new" at all. Look at the thirteen Battleground Poll results over the last six years, and how do Americans answer that very question? Here are the percentages of Americans in those polls who call themselves "conservative" since June 2002: 59% (June 2002 poll), 59% (September 2003 poll), 61% (April 2004 poll), 59% (June 2004 poll), 60% (September 2004 poll), 61% (October 2005 poll), 59% (March 2006), 61% (October 2006), 59% (January 2007), 63% (July 2007), 58% (December 2007), 63% (May 2008), and now 60% (August 2008.)

Just a reminder ; vote .
If Obama gets elected , U.S Supreme Court Justice Stevens is 88 years old and most critical USSC decisions are coming in at 5 to 4 votes.
If Obama gets in, the extreme left will have absolutely no checks and balances against them if even ONE Supreme Court justice has to be replaced in the next 4 years.{ i.e.WildlandsProject, gun rights, property rights, parental rights, free speech,eugenics }

America had better wake up to the Soros / Obama coup d'etat

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_biggest_missing_story_in_p.html

Posted by: rtfanning | August 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

*******

BREAKING NEWS -- Obama wants to cut short Hillary roll call with a voice vote to assure his nomination before all the votes are counted...

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SUPERS: REJECT THE OBAMA CAMP'S DEMANDS FOR A VOICE VOTE BEFORE THE ROLL CALL IS OVER!!


Now comes word that Obama forces want Hillary to agree to halt the Hillary roll call and nominate Obama by an "Acclamation Proclamation" -- a vote vote before all the votes are cast and counted.

YOU MUST SAY, "NO WAY."

That democracy thing is a real b*tch, isn't it? So much so that Obama must stifle the democratic process and turn the convention into a Stalinist stadium show.

The Clinton camp must go before the press and say they believe in democracy and do not fear a vote -- so why does Obama?

Another outrage that only adds to the growing discontent that very well may deny Barack Obama the nomination he thinks he already has won.

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"ddawd. that is why we don't elect presidents based on the views of a few wacked out liberals and journalists. We allow the country as a whole to decide and hence the rare election of liberals to high office."

Well, a Democracy is run by the people and people make mistakes.

In 2000, millions of people made a big mistake. in 2004, millions of people made a big and moronic mistake.

It happens. Doesn't make Bush a better president than Carter.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"I think the vast majority of them are women who supported Cltinon simply becasue she was a woman. There is nothing to support the contention that these voters are Democrats at all. Again, most are Republican's or independents "


keep thnking they are all women or Republicans and see what happens in Nov. Calling fols who I personally know who have been lifelong contibutors and volunteers for very local D cadidate in the last 20 years Republicans is naive. There are local male doctors and laywers who suppored Hillary with McCain signs in their front yards so I would be cautious genaralizing about precisely who these people are.

Would you label someone who has attended every local D caucus and state convention in the last 20 years, a R ?

Posted by: Leichtman | August 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

>>"Thanks to Obama's race baiting of the Clintons, I'm die-hard in my opposition to Obama. It's bad enough that he is the least qualified, shallowest, most self-aggrandizing presidential nominee of the modern era."

That's the surest sign ever of an Affirmative Action, racial preference success. Plays the race card expertly. That and have no actual substantial professional works or legislative achievements in your professional career that you can point to.

>>"Fiorina made an absolute mess out of HP; no one would be impressed with her as a VP and certainly not the R base."

You have no idea what you're talking about. HP is one of the stellar successes in this year of excruciating market losses and companies flailing about.

The new CEO and board have kept most of the long-term strategies and plans that Fiorina put in place. They are the key to HP's strength and success this year.

Fiorina was dealing with a deeply dysfunctional, scheming and faction-ridden executive culture at HP. Moreover, it was an engineering firm old boys' club.

Carly Fiorina did an extraordinary job for that company. She was also slapped around and mistreated in ways not unlike how the Democratic party treated Clinton this year.

You ignorant netroots will push any hateful, sexist trash-talk to get your way.

"Assuming all the Clintonistas-Who-Hate-Obama (CWHOs) are real and not just the result of Limbaugh-FOX meddling, one is left to ask, "What are their priorities?"

A president who is competent and experienced and is ready to deal with a lot of problems we face this year. After 8 years of Bush, we don't need another under-qualified, lightweight fool backed up by some senior-citizen partisan ideologue.

Bush-Cheney == Obama-Biden (mirror images)

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

lol

oh of course...it was lol scrivener...lol


I just read it. oy.

Posted by: dl | August 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

okay I didn't see it but what numbskull said Fiorina should be mcCain's VP

Fiorina steeping in as the President of the United States...r u kidding?

The VP is not some tactical fluffy little thign you use to manipulate...

Biden stepping in excellent.

Fiorina stepping in as President...uuuhhhh

yeah...c'mon.

and imagine her in the campaign debate...lol... she would just make it up if it didn't fit her argument.

In fact how many times did she just "make something up" when it didn't fit what she was talking about.

seriously...she was caught at ...how many times so far?

never mind everything that is wasn't taped.

and she has so much judgement (ahem..HP..HP) reputation (have you seen the memos about her as Godzilla) and oh that's tright great foreign policy judgement we can see...

I don't know who said it but I wouldn't listen to too much from that person.

Posted by: dl | August 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton has become a prima donna caricature of himself. It is almost at the level of Shakespearean tragedy at this point. A more self-confident person would know that his legacy is what it is (as is Truman's, Eisenhower's, or any other president's). Obama cannot detract or add to Clinton's historical record.

Clinton's current actions, however, will create another part of his legacy -- showing us whether he is an elder statesman and asset to the party, or just a self-absorbed guy who doesn't care which way the country goes if his family doesn't win.

Posted by: A sad spectacle | August 25, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain should either pick Romney or Pawlenty. Picking Carla Fiorina would show a serious lack of judgment. She has no qualifications what so ever to be President if the old man died in office. If she couldn't run a company why would you give her the keys to the WH.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

All I have to say is "F#$K" the Clintons, they don't own our votes, and we don't owe them anything. If her supporters won't back Obama, "F#$k" them also, if you want four more years of this crap, go ahead and shoot yourself in the Azz! If she and her supporters couldn't figure out the primary process, why would you want them ru(i)ning the country....I wouldn't have even let them speak at the convention. If she pulls something funny, I will go out of my way to see that she NEVER holds another office anywhere ever again

Posted by: Anti Clinton | August 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"voters not just wary of the eight years of George W. Bush but even many sick of the relentless back and forth between the two parties"

That’s me. I'm tried of the stupid bickering. When Paris Hilton has a better energy plan than anyone running, it makes me wonder...wait, no...Ms. Hilton just combined the ideas from both parties into one policy... funny how Washington D.C. is completely void of that type of thinking.

Its always one against the other, and nothing the other side says ever has any credence. These are all intelligent people looking out for thier country. If we weren't so stuck on choosing a side, we would be more concerned with up and forward rather than left or right.

Sorry for the interruption - you may return to senseless and pointless political mud throwing.

Ready..... go.

Posted by: It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. | August 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to Obama's race baiting of the Clintons, I'm die-hard in my opposition to Obama. It's bad enough that he is the least qualified, shallowest, most self-aggrandizing presidential nominee of the modern era.

Posted by: jen | August 25, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

What does Obama have to do to patch things up? Passing over Hillary is looking like a bigger headache than if he had brought her and Bill on board.

http://www.political-buzz.co

Posted by: mpp | August 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Truly remarkable megalo-mania on the part of Bill Clinton. Hillary ran on Bill's record. Obama attacking it was a natural result. To be offended by that is the ultimate act of vanity by the ultimate self-absorbed politician. Can't we all be glad that Obama finally put these co-dependent self-aggrandizers to the back pages of history.

Posted by: TG | August 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

scrivener - It's a little difficult to discuss the candidates in the midst of the constant yammering, but, since I posted and you answered, you see enough evidence by mischief makers to prove my case. Limbaugh has been, almost daily, calling form this kind of garbage on his show, and the dittohead robots ARE doing it.

To be sure, there are some voters who will vote for McCain that would have voted for Clinton. But, most of them are Republican's or independents who normally vote Republican, that would have voted for Clinton for a variety of reason. I think the vast majority of them are women who supported Cltinon simply becasue she was a woman. Likewise, there are a lot of independents and new voters that will vote for Obama because he is black. I think it is a wash and expect that Chris and the Post know this. Again, LOOK AT HOW THE QUESTIONS ARE RAISED. Chris keeps posting about "wayward Democrats". There is nothing to support the contention that these voters are Democrats at all. Again, most are Republican's or independents who normally vote Republican who toyed with the idea of voting Democrat with Hillary Clinton on the ticket. AN analysis of those voters shows the sort of weak support they provide to Democrats across the board makes that a very bad proposition.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

You are /far/ exaggerating the case that Obama 'ran against' Bill Clinton during the primary, and it is clear why you do this:
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Posted by: Joey | August 25, 2008 1:41 PM

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Folks, surreptitiously, a most revolutionary event has just happened. We have just discovered there is life on Jupiter. That gaseous planet has life in the gaseous form and it is known as "Joey". It is a wonderful phenomena and requires plenty investigation. What is most cute is, being so utterly detached from earth this thing "Joey" is known to hold a very strange version of reality in it's gaseous head. One of those alternate realities is the view that Obama did not disparage the Clinton administration.

Posted by: Lifeform from another planet. | August 25, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Boy, the paid bloggers are out in mass today.

As usual, the McCain camp puts out two arguments: 1) Obama is weak for giving the Clinton's so much convention time, 2) Obama is weak for failing to unite his party.

As a Republican precinct chairman, I received "Monday's talking points," which includes, "Throughout the race, Hillary Clinton earned great respect for her courage as she compassionately spoke to the concerns of millions of Americans.
She inspired millions of women, and John McCain greatly respects her campaign and her work for all women very much."

Can you imagine what the Republican talking point would have been had he selected her for vice-president? Can this type of campaign (by either side) do anything but hurt America?

Posted by: Jackson | August 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The title speaks of the strategy that will go wrong. The Clintons will not and should not be "placated". They're not babies, and Hillary has done a good job of supporting the presumptive nominee up to this point. The secret of unity is to RECOGNIZE, as I'm sure Obama does, that Hillary Clinton got A LOT of VOTES during the primary. She had something people liked, and she has a very large base still that is behind her.

So Unity goes both ways. The Clintons should show support for the nominee of the party they are loyal to and speak to the things they have in common. Obama needs to recognize what the Clinton voters were looking for and find a way to snatch them up. Win them over without expecting the Clintons to do it all themselves. PUMA, that's a lost cause. They're going to go the Lieberman route and nothing is going to satisfy them while they still have a spotlight to sing under. Everyone else, the "silent majority" of understandably frustrated Clinton supporters, they just need to know that they can feel confidant with the nominee. That's democracy, and no one OWES anybody ANYTHING.

Posted by: Grimmix | August 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

joey check ou the Obama memos against Bll immediately after the R primary if you don't think they ran against him

"You are /far/ exaggerating the case that Obama 'ran against' Bill Clinton during the primary, and it is clear why you do this"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The corporate media is going all out to fan the flames of an Obama-Clinton conflict. The advertisers love it.

Senator Obama "proved" himself long ago with his honesty, intelligence, and support for the average American. He opposed the Iraq War when it was unpopular to do so. He then ran a phenomenal primary campaign, beating the two-headed Clinton machine despite starting at a great disadvantage in terms of name recognition and political and financial support. He has earned the enthusiastic endorsement of the international community.

The primary reason that Senator Obama is not doing better in the polls is because the corporate media (which fares better under corporate presidents) has provided a megaphone for the Republican smear machine.

Journalistic integrity and democratic values got lost in the pursuit of media profits.

Posted by: bam | August 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

since my choice of biden has not cemented my coronation, I am now prepared to nuance that decision. when I said I chose him as VP, I meant that he will lead the effort to find the real VP.

My other views on this subject are open to change, as you know.

Posted by: snObama | August 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I want to thank my friend Joe Biden for accepting the role of running-mate to Senator Obama. Now I can react to the dems rather than proactively demonstrating some leadership skills. My friends, I don't need to discuss policy when I can attack, attack, attack. God Bless America!

Posted by: McCainiac | August 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Fiorina made an absolute mess out of HP; no one would be impressed with her as a VP and certainly not the R base.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

ddawd. that is why we don't elect presidents based on the views of a few wacked out liberals and journalists. We allow the country as a whole to decide and hence the rare election of liberals to high office.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

You are /far/ exaggerating the case that Obama 'ran against' Bill Clinton during the primary, and it is clear why you do this:

1) So you can claim there is still some resentment, using Fox-News-shills like Wolfson to 'prove' it,

and more importantly,

2)So that when Obama stands up and shouts to the rafters that Bill Clinton was a good president with good ideas, you press people can pretend that it is a repudiation of his prior campaign.

The truth is that he did not run against Bill Clinton during the primary - there were a few issues (like NAFTA) where they disagreed and will continue to disagree, but your point is nothing short of hyperbolic press angst summoned up to generate more clicks, and more views on CNN.

Posted by: Joey | August 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

It may seem like McCain is, yet again, pulling out the ol' "Noun, Verb, POW" card to shield himself from any criticism over any subject. But this is simply not the case. Instead, McCain suffers from PTCRHMHIOD, or Post Traumatic Can't Remember How Many Houses I Own Disorder.

This horrible condition has forever altered the lives of countless Vietnam Vets after their return to the States. In fact, it is the number one cause of divorce between former POWs and their millionaire liquor-heiress wives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: astral99 | August 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Talk about foot stomping, childish, self indulged comments:

"I cannot wait until the Clintons are gone..."

and this while her supporters are being bombarded with phone calls and mail outs imploring us to contribute..amazing.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama has failed to unite his own party and he has had all summer to work on that - however Obama is supposed to be the uniter.

W is the uniter.

Nobody can take that away from him.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"If we examine the facts and the only tally that counts (outside the yelling and screaming of the mindless Dems) Carter lost in a landlside when he asked for re-approval. bush won."

So? What does that have to do with anything?

I'll grant you that Bush is a better campaigner than Carter.

But better president? No way. I'm no Carter fan, but this isn't even close.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama may have made the biggest blunder in history. All though Biden is a very good choice. The best was not taken . Obama could have done a lot with the Clinton's in his corner. He could have used Bill to replace Rice on foreign affairs and Hillary would have united the Democratic party like no other. Biden would do more for the Democrats where he is. Look at the whole picture and not just what is needed right now. We need our country to become as great a nation as it was before Bush. This country needs help internally just as much as thoughout the world. Take care of your own house before seeking what you may never be able to accomplish. Thanks

Posted by: J W | August 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Billy Boy ran an incompetent administration and deserves any and all contempt thrown his way. When the world was adrift looking for new rules in a post-cold war environment, he ignored it. When the stock market was bubbling and his SEC wanted some accounting rules to control the froth, he said too difficult, don't worry. When Rwanda was descending into genocide, his administration denies they had any evidence of the carnage until corpses blocked passage on the Congo. So to sum up he ignored his duty as leader of the free world, he ignored an over heating economy and the inevitable crash that would follow and he was an accessory after the fact to genocide. However, he was the last Democratic President in nearly thirty years and the Clintons still have some pull in the party, so Obama has to learn a lesson from Georgia and appease the unreasonable bear.

Of course the truly mind-boggling part is that W could do so much worse.

Posted by: muD | August 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama has failed to unite his own party and he has had all summer to work on that - however Obama is supposed to be the uniter.


good point. He can't even unite committed party Liberals. how will he do with actual conservatives, uniting them behind partial birth abortion for example, or handing over our foreign policy to the UN or raising taxes precipitously.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd advise Obama to frame the debate between now and November as a choice between Democrats vs Republicans, and not Obama vs. McCain.

The Republican brand (and agenda) are in the toilet and the real choice is between them and the Democratic agenda and brand. That's who we elect in America: the party.

Peace.

Posted by: egc52556 | August 25, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It's CARTER that comes to mind. Yeah...That's it.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 1:25 PM

If we examine the facts and the only tally that counts (outside the yelling and screaming of the mindless Dems) Carter lost in a landlside when he asked for re-approval. bush won.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd be pretty pissed off too if I were Bill Clinton and they asked me to speak about foreign relations and the military. I mean, what the hell does he have to talk about there? How he sat on his hands after Osama Bin Laden bombed two U.S. embassies in Africa? How he let Saddam Hussein walk all over him for eight years? I'll give Clinton credit where credit is due, he was a very good domestic president. But he was given a very convenient position overseas and he still managed to blow it.

Posted by: Mark | August 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATIC OBAMACIDE:

"A MASS HYPONOSIS NOT SEEN SINCE THE LAST DAYS OF THE WEINMAR REPUBLIC..."

milbrooks27:

This effort to paint pro-Hillary forces who want to stop Obama's hostile takeover of the Democratic Party as GOP operatives is wishful thinking.

Many dedicated Democrats are disillusioned with Obama's policy vacillations, his abandonment of his entire political raison d'etre, and his unwillingness to do what it takes to win -- by putting Hillary on the ticket.

Now it looks like McCain may name Carly Fiorina as his VP pick, a savvy woman who is surely to draw disgruntled Hillary supporters.

Don't think McCain-Fiorina won't attract mainstream Dems who can't believe that their party has succumbed to the siren song of an untested amateur with a good speech?

The Dems are still under the spell of a mass hypnosis, the likes of which hasn't been seen since the last days of the Weinmar Republic.

Posted by: scrivener | August 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama made a massive mistake not healing the wounds with Hillary early, early on - in fact there should have been some sort of arrangement made in April between the two sides for the good of the party.

OK.

Clearly this split is painful and clearly Obama has shown himself to be a horrible leader for allowing this situation to go on and on as it has - Obama has only hurt himself by not making peace.

Obama's refusal to not take on Hillary's debt was crazy - Obama should have run to that debt.

I can just imagine what happened - McCain called Hillary - I hear you have some debt - what if I help you with some of that situation? NOW HILLARY PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AT MCCAIN EVENTS EN MASS.

Obama was a complete idiot on the handling of this - Obama has failed to unite his own party and he has had all summer to work on that - however Obama is supposed to be the uniter.


The complex analysis is this: Obama is supposed to be the new politics, the new leader, the transcendent one - except when it comes to Hillary (and when it comes to using false accusations of racial offense or racial themes to advance his own campaign.)


CLEARLY OBAMA IS A FRAUD TO HIS OWN CAMPAIGN THEMES. UNBELIEVABLE THAT THE MEDIA HAS NOT CALLED OBAMA OUT ON THIS - HE IS A MINORITY CANDIDATE WHO HAS WON THE NOMINATION BASED ON AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM FOR DELEGATE ALLOCATIONS AND APPORTIONMENTS.


Hillary had more Democratic Votes than Obama - why aren't the Democratic delegates at least tied?


This nomination was stolen from a White Woman based on an Affirmative Action Program.

A White Man has almost no chance to be nominated by the Democratic Party at this point.

If you do not agree with that statement, Ask Biden who has been in the Senate for 35 years and has more experience than anyone - the democratic party starved him for money while millions were going to Hillary, Obama and Richardson AND then very few Democrats wanted to VOTE for who was CLEARLY THE BEST AND MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION SENATOR JOE BIDEN.


Joe Biden - victim of the new Jim Crow Era in the Democratic Party - White Men have no chance.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | August 25, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

posting to a blog is equivalent to shouting into a black hole... but here goes:

Assuming all the Clintonistas-Who-Hate-Obama (CWHOs) are real and not just the result of Limbaugh-FOX meddling, one is left to ask, "What are their priorities?"

Do they prefer a president who is anti-choice or a president who has a vagina?

Do they prefer a president who is a war-monger or a president who has two X chromosomes?

Do they prefer a president who carries the Republican agenda or a president who is a woman?

GET REAL. Did these women support Hillary ONLY because she is a woman and will punish the Democrats because she lost? If so (and I'm not at all sure it IS so), then what a shallow bunch of immature, foot-stomping, whining children.

Meanwhile, maybe the CWHOs are just a fiction of the Right's machine.

Posted by: egc52556 | August 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain's ad also could highlight that Michelle Obama is on leave from her $317,000-a-year job at the University of Chicago Medical Center, which is now under scrutiny - along with Obama campaign chief David Axelrod and two other staffers - for a scheme that, according to the Chicago Sun-Times, "steers patients who don't have private insurance - primarily poor, black people - to other health care facilities."

"The medical professionals who have come to me are accusing the university of dumping patients on its neighboring institutions," Toni Preckwinkle, alderman for the 4th Ward, told the paper.

Patient-dumping poor blacks may be interesting, but not quite as newsworthy as John McCain marrying a beer heiress 28 years ago.

Does anyone think if Mr. McCain had a sibling living in a trailer park making minimum wage (892 times more than Mr. Obama's half brother's yearly income) that the mainstream media and the Obama campaign wouldn't notice?

In fact, last week National Public Radio ran a piece titled, "Cindy McCain's Half Sister 'Angry' She's Hidden," highlighting that Mr. McCain's wife's half sister was left out of her father's will. The piece was duly filed under the publicly funded network's "conservative compassion deficit" media template.

Yet Mr. Obama has a half brother who lives in Africa on three cents a day, and the story breaks in an Italian magazine and is picked up by a London newspaper and a few others in Australia. Perhaps the story would be carried widely in America if they could figure out how to blame President Bush. But as Bob Geldof pointed out, he "has done more [for Africa] than any other president," and of the press harshly judged, "You guys didn't pay attention."

Nor will they pay attention that the McCains have adopted a poor Bangladeshi child and done untold amounts of humanitarian and charity work.

Posted by: ooops, the truth | August 25, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"The worst speaker ever, the worst president ever, the biggest louse ever and the most unhappy rich person ever."

Hahaha, yeah. When America thinks of the worst President. It's CARTER that comes to mind. Yeah...That's it.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

See ya at the convention everyone!...wait a minute, I think I left my huge foam finger in house #5, but it could have been house #7 since that's the last one I bought. . . what's that? I bought 10 houses? Damn. I guess I'll have to check with my staff and get back to you.
I Hate It When That Happens!


I am so hoping Grandpa McMansion's picks Plastic Mitt as his running-mate.

The ads have already written themselves..."my friends" and there's alot more where this came from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5UWGS4Pkw&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/24/172952/713/19
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Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 25, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

>>"He feels like the Obama campaign ran against and systematically dismissed his administration's accomplishments. And he feels like he was painted as a racist during the primary process."

Uhh, this is true.

>>"Much depends on Bill Clinton's speech on Wednesday night. Will the former President go the magnanimous route, putting past problems behind him and warmly embracing Obama?"

Assigning Bill Clinton the topic of praising Obama is hardly a way to treat the former president as a willing partner. In fact that's bizarre and muscular approach to Bill Clinton's participation. Bill should just make a few beautiful remarks and then get off the stage. Too late for him to pull out of giving a speech, but since he was sandbagged with this "topic" assignment, he should act like the robot they treated him as and just give lip service. The most that Bill Clinton should focus on is making himself look good, not Obama.

>>"The best thing about this week is that when it is over we won't have to hear anymore about what the Clinton's want."

Especially when Obama loses this Fall!!!

>>"Democrats will lose in November because some, in their eagerness to support Obama, are willing to trash a former president and his accomplishments in order to put down Hillary Clinton. Its immature and shows an unwillingness to govern in a trustworthy way---how can you trust people who do such a thing?"

That is direct evidence of Obama's personal immaturity and political inexperience.

He's trashed, ignored and not trying to muscle the Clintons. He hasn't made a credible effort to even encourage his supporters to donate to her campaign debt retirement. Obama spends tens of millions of dollars trying to win over her voters, with inadequate success, while he and his supporters want to stiff the Clinton campaign debt, to cut off his nose to spite his face. They didn't even vet Clinton and announced the VP pick with a 3 a.m. cell phone call.

Obama's own grudges and grievances are costing him Clinton votes.

This isn't a man prepared to be President, even on a personal quality level.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 25, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"The combination of these pluses and minuses suggests some degree of panic in the Obama campaign."

No, a Clinton pick would have been one of panic.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Biden has the experience of more than three decades in the US senate, at least two of them dealing with foreign affairs and defense. But experience is no guarantee of good judgment. And Biden has been wrong on almost every key issue.

* In 1979, he shared Carter's starry-eyed belief that the fall of the shah in Iran and the advent of the ayatollahs represented progress for human rights. Throughout the hostage crisis, as US diplomats were daily paraded blindfolded in front of television cameras and threatened with execution, he opposed strong action against the terrorist mullahs and preached dialogue.

* Throughout the 1980s. Biden opposed President Ronald Reagan's proactive policy against the Soviet Union. Biden was all for détente - which, in practice, meant Western subsidies that would have enabled the moribund USSR to cling to life and continue doing mischief.

* In 1990, Biden found it difficult to support President George Bush's decision to use force to kick Saddam Hussein's army of occupation out of Kuwait.

* A decade-plus later, the senator did vote for the liberation of Iraq from Saddamite tyranny. But as soon as terrorists started challenging the new democratic system in Iraq, he switched sides and became a critic of the whole war effort. He claimed that the Iraq war was lost and suggested that the US partition the newly liberated country into three or more mini-states.

Biden's misreading of the situation in Iraq shows that experience is no substitute for judgment. He judged the situation on the basis of headlines and CNN footage - not the long-term, geo-strategic interests of the United States. In short, he lacked what President Harry Truman called "strategic patience."

* For more than a decade, Biden has adopted an ambivalent attitude towards the Islamic Republic in Tehran, now emerging as the chief challenger to US interests in the Middle East. Biden's links with pro-Tehran lobbies in the US and his support for "unconditional dialogue" with the mullahs echo Obama's own wrong-headed promise to circumvent the current multilateral efforts by seeking direct US-Iran talks, excluding the Europeans as well as Russia and China.

Had Biden had his way, "the Evil Empire" would still be around and Saddam Hussein still in power. The US would still be begging the mullahs of Tehran for forgiveness of unspecified "past sins" - and more American hostages would be seized in the Middle East while the mullahs celebrate their first atomic bombs.

By choosing Biden, Obama, the candidate of hope, has transformed his promise of change, into a back-to-the-future pirouette - back to Jimmy Carter

Posted by: back to the failure | August 25, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I cannot wait until the Clintons are gone... what a bunch of overindulged babies -- especially Bill. You would think a former president would have gotten over his self esteem issues but no, still the jealous old man.

Posted by: CR | August 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

By choosing Sen. Joseph Biden as his vice-presiden tial running mate, Barack Obama sent three messages. The first two are implicit admissions that Hillary Clinton had a point in the primaries. The third tells us more of what Obama means by 'change.' (Snip) But the third message is that 'change' means a return not to the Camelot of President John Kennedy, but to the foreign policies of Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: my hero from Plains | August 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

proteusdecision - As has been repeatedly discussed here, and elsewhere, the Clinton voter for McCain campaign was an invention of Rush Limbaugh. It was picked up by his evil minions, who have been possing as disgruntled Clinton supporters ever since. In turn, McCain's PAID BLOGGERS, have been using it as a part of their campaign. It's been very successful. If you spend five minutes reading the posts, to agree with them is to trash Obama and, if you disagree with them, you appear to trash the Clinton's -- it's rather like the old question "Are you still beating your wife?".

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

tonight's circus line-up:

Pelosi, Carter, Kennedy, Michelle.

A parade of failure, cowardice, extreme liberalism and feckless ineffectiveness.

the perfect branding of this candidate.

The worst speaker ever, the worst president ever, the biggest louse ever and the most unhappy rich person ever.

coming tomorrow, the most hated winner ever and his wife, the biggest victim ever.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 25, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama's camp would love to make his slide in the polls about Hillary and Bill, and once again play the victim. Why not? I mean it worked during the primary season. Obama is very bland and stupid when he does not have a "political foil" like Hillary to bask in the light of. So he is looking for that same sort of persona to grab onto now--the thing he can joust against that made him so successful during the primary season. Hillary and Bill give Obama purpose, and without them to work against and angst against, he has nothing. He is completely Vanilla. I for one see him as entirely fabricated as a candidate and will not vote for him now or ever. I value my country more than to hand it over to a guy who has ties with radicalism. Oh, and BTW, I am in that 50% of the Hillary voters and I for one think that Obama is a racists and what he did to Bill is just wrong.

Posted by: swoosie | August 25, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

chris

you have to take a look at those numbers in context...

first they are not that far off Bill Clinton's number before the convention...

and they are higher by the amount they are because of a longer primary season

but as the CBS.NYTIMES poll of the pre eminant supporters of Clinton ...the ones at the convention show...5% of these people who have had fron row seats... are not going to support obama.

the media is making this out to be a bigger story than it is... because it is a better stroyline.

and as far as "shaping his legacy"

isn't already shaped... by the economic pluses of his years (good)...then a little by the set up for GW Bush (bad)...and Monica of course...(Hillary comes out better Bill worse)... I mean some boxers a saxophone...a daughter who may actually outshine both her parents...

and the rest of the facts from history.

why are we spending time with the future of our country worrying about shaping anyone's history.

the point of the speech, the campaign addressing mistakes made (instead of ignoring them as Hill has to do as to not upset her husband) and Bill speaking is to make America better isn't it?

and shouldn't memories of great politicians be really focused on Robert Kennedy (who died running) and Ted Kennedy (who is gravely ill) this year.

It is sad that will be subjegated to people worrying about their legacies always being shaped in the spotlight.

I do hope she divorces him and shows what she could be without him.

Posted by: dl | August 25, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The best thing about this week is that when it is over we won't have to hear anymore about what the Clinton's want.

Posted by: smallddem | August 25, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Democrats will lose in November because some, in their eagerness to support Obama, are willing to trash a former president and his accomplishments in order to put down Hillary Clinton. Its immature and shows an unwillingness to govern in a trustworthy way---how can you trust people who do such a thing?

Posted by: proteusdecision | August 25, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Mike b - you have officially left the reservation. Obama is as liberal as they come. It is published fact by so many different sources including and especially the National Journal.

As far as fox news goes, it seems to be the only outlet that isn't in the tank for Obama.

Posted by: To Mike BS | August 25, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"The other issue for Obama is that healing the wounds of the primary is not entirely in his control."

More of the usual asshattery from The Fix. It is absolutely entirely in Obama's control to heal the wounds of the primary. He is the presumptive nominee. He's not entitled to anyone's support--he has to work for it and earn it.

But, of course, his whole campaign has been ruled by a sense of entitlement and resentment at anyone who questions it.

Bill Clinton is the last two-term Democratic president. I hope he goes out there and does as he damn well pleases.

Posted by: cab91 | August 25, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Just a thought...Instead of beating up on the Clintons, and taking cheap shots at seniors, Clinton supporters and blue collar workers (the core groups that supported Senator Clinton and a large portion of the Democratic base), perhaps the Obama people should re-work their message strategy and talk about the economy, health care and education--issues that affect working Americans everywhere. If this infighting doesn't stop, we will lose the White House in November!

Posted by: jka | August 25, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

rtfanning - I'm sinply not going to let you get away with that bald faced lie. I am a hunter and gun owner and an Obama supporter. Barak Obama supports the Second Amendment, has always supported the Second Amendment, and has always supported that to mean AN INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms. The ONLY gun control laws he has ever supported were local laws, only in large cities, regulating ownership of handguns. That's it. Moreover, Barak Obama DOES NOT even support the Brady Laws!
As for being "liberal", Obama is a moderate. The "liberal" tag was assigned by Fox News by taking his voting record and, after the fact, assigning "liberal" to certain votes and "conservative" to other votes. That, during the first pass, didn't work, so they WEIGHTED votes. Obama's "liberal" credentials are, in other words, a fabrication by right wing nuts.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Please look up in wikipedia for German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel

You will be surprised, but not, by why Germany is the most successful economy in Europe. She is a Ph.D. in physical chemistry and a seasoned stateswoman. With her knowledge in science and technology, she steers her country into where we should have been. Germany is under the same pressure from China, but they are able to move into hi-tech innovations better than we can. You can find German made toys, which are twice as expensive but well designed and made. Why is it so hard to find American made toys on the shelf?

Usually, scientists don't like to be in the spot light. Dr. Merkel's husband, also a scientist, did not even show up at her inauguration.

But if we can elect a scientist who is also interested in politics, we will succeed in decades to come. The problem is that Science is not appreciated in the US as much as it is in China so we have got a real problem. Science is hard because our K-12 education doesn't prepare our students for college science education. More than half of the freshmen interested in science will fail the first year. We must let the best professors teach the fundamental courses to retain the young minds. Or we will be very sorry later, because our economy is tightly tied to our science and technology. Just watch the world unfold.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

SUPERDELEGATES: STOP THE PARTY's "OBAMACIDE."

VOTE HILLARY IN THE ROLL CALL.


• Can Obama-Biden really defeat McCain-FIORINA?


Why is the Obama camp so afraid to allow the delegates to register their true views in a fair vote?

Why is there so much pressure for Hillary to cut short the roll call and hand the nomination over to a candidate who has failed to unite his party, and who continues to sink in the polls -- in a year when the Dems should be far, far ahead?

And why does the media, including you, Chris, declare that Obama "will" be nominated -- when there's a good chance that a mighty chorus of opposition is rising up this week to stop his unearned takeover of the party?

The CNN poll is now dead-even, 47-47. When the latest tracking polls come out tomorrow and Wednesday, it will be more bad news for Obama's prospects.

An earlier poster talked about "Obamacide" in reference to his position on abortion.

I would argue that the term defines what the Democratic Party is doing to itself, if it certifies Barack Obama as its standard-bearer.

Just wait until McCain names CARLY FIORINA as his VP pick. She's intelligent, well-schooled in economic issues, and she projects a very compelling, competent (and attractive) persona.

Does anyone doubt that McCain-Fiorina will attract many disgruntled Hillary supporters - and many Democrats of both sexes who see Obama as unprepared to assume the duties of commander-in-chief?

Superdelegates, STOP THE OBAMACIDE.

Vote for Hillary in that roll call. Deny Barack Obama the top of the ticket. Do a backdoor deal that persuades Hillary to pledge her delegates to Al Gore, who would then name Obama as his vice presidential pick (realpolitik demands that he remain on the ticket).

Stop the Obamacide. Vote Hillary.

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 25, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what public statements or speeches they may make on Obama's behalf, does anybody really believe they want Barry to win. I hope nobody on this blog is that gullible. They will do everything behind the scenes to get Obama defeated, but they have to be very carefull not to leave any fingerprints or DNA behind as not to ruin HRC chances in 2012.

Posted by: bhoomes | August 25, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama does not think it is proeductive to jump into the middle of a debate between the fractious and shrill hysterics of partisans from either side in this debate.

Posted by: Observer | August 25, 2008 12:27 PM


In other words. make a decision on something.

the single decision he has ever made in his whole life - picking biden, seems to go against everything he stands for - experience, judgment, change, new politics, etc. in essence, a last minute effort to win an election. If you put it that way, it is exactly everything that defines him.

Posted by: Obamanable Snojob | August 25, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Do you think the Clintons really want a losing ticket attached to their political legacies? Heck, no. I recommend no 'shows' and a winning Hillary/Richardson strategy. Both should catch politburo colds on Tuesday and Wednesday while Politico cranks up the air-conditioning at the Pepsi Center like it feels now in worried Demvoter land - 0 degrees in the 'Poles' and FALLING! BBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Posted by: JC | August 25, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

When are the Clintons going to realize that they ran a VERY BAD CAMPAIGN. They were dysfunctional, unorganized, and beyound all means DEVISIVE. The majority of the people who watched and participated in the Primaries are sick and tired of negative campaigning and political backbiting.In addition, most of us saw both Bill and Hillary in a different light, which was very disheartening for many of us.

It's amazing what some folks will say and do to WIN. They lost the campaign fair and square. Hopefully, they will have learned something from this experience during the 2012 campaign.

Posted by: VA DEM for OBAMA | August 25, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Let us understand an important fact here: The Clintons, Shrillary & Slick Willy, have something very important to them riding on the Obama/McCain race; it is called, LEGACY, and even a scintilla of evidence that pouty behavior of the Clintons leads to a McCain victory will mar that important attribute, forever.

As for the Shrillary supporters, threatening to vote McCain, grow up and recognize that McCain stands in opposition to Shrillary's values and beliefs. Therefore, I submit a Demo vote for McCain is a vote against Shrillary!

Posted by: Forrest Gerard | August 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

these turds will only stink up denver with their foulness and deliver votes to mccain. flush the clinton turds

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

One third of the Dem base Mr Fix?? You mean one third of Hilary supporters thats surely one sixth of the base as she and Obama split the primary vote near equally.

I am s**t at maths and i can work that out!

cheers

Posted by: Neilfromacrossthepond | August 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I Guess Cosmo Was Already at the Printer [Greg Pollowitz]

Priorites. Jake Tapper posts:

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., hasn't given a press availability in half a month, since the day before he left for his Hawaiian vacation.

He and his new running mate are currently giving an exclusive post-announcement interview to “People” magazine

Posted by: no message | August 25, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

clintons = two turds that won't flush

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 25, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Biden [Yuval Levin]


For me, the most striking line in Obama’s introduction of Biden today was: “Joe Biden is what so many others pretend to be — a statesman with sound judgment who doesn't have to hide behind bluster to keep America strong.”

Hmmm…now who do we know who pretends to be a statesman?

The entire event made roughly the same point: boy, Obama is inexperienced and light. The Biden pick is obviously meant to compensate for precisely that worry, but it seems far more likely rather to exacerbate it. Biden, after all, is not in fact some kind of celebrated statesman, and not a single person in America (except perhaps Joe Biden) thinks he is. But even he might appear that way in comparison with Obama..........

The combination of these pluses and minuses suggests some degree of panic in the Obama campaign. Picking Biden is not an act of confidence, driven by a sense that the public likes what it sees in Obama and wants more of the same (as, for instance, the choice of Al Gore was in 1992). It is a sign, rather, that Obama recognizes that he is suddenly in some serious trouble, and will not be able to win the election the way he won the primaries. He is trying to do something to compensate for what he takes to be the causes of the stall his campaign is experiencing. The trouble is, the Biden pick looks very unlikely to do that.

The McCain campaign probably won’t go after Biden himself much, and will instead use him as a means of attacking Obama—who suddenly looks awfully weak and vulnerable.

Posted by: Levin | August 25, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Again, medical science has determined that this horrific practice, which is nothing short of infanticide, is never necessary."

What do you mean, "never necessary"?

Never necessary for what?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Just a reminder ; vote .
If Obama gets elected , U.S Supreme Court Justice Stevens is 88 years old and most critical USSC decisions are coming in at 5 to 4 votes.
If Obama gets in, the extreme left will have absolutely no checks and balances against them if even ONE Supreme Court justice has to be replaced in the next 4 years.{ i.e.WildlandsProject, gun rights, property rights, parental rights, free speech,eugenics }

America had better wake up to the Soros / Obama coup d'etat

Posted by: rtfanning | August 25, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Do you remember when you started refinancing your mortgage? I refinanced several times during the Clinton administration. If you read Greenspan's The Turbulent Times, you will realize interest rates are a political tool. When it is overused, the people will suffer later and we are now in the 'later' period.

Why would Bill fight to talk about his failed economic policies that include his unfair trade agreements with China and NAFTA?

Perhaps he wants to explain his mistakes at the convention. Then he should also explain why he failed to help turn Russia into a democracy. We wouldn't have a second cold war, had Russia been helped after the collapse of USSR in 1991. Putin wouldn't have risen in 1999, had Bill done right in foreign policy.

Bill can post his explanations for his mistakes on his library website. He doesn't have to take the spot at the DNC convention. The star is Obama. Bill is history. No more Clinton or Bush! We cannot stall the global spread of democracy.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary Clinton had won the nomination, Obama and his supporters would be acting the same, if not worse, than the Clintons are being portrayed. Recall that at least back in February, Obama supporters were claiming that if Clinton won the nomination, they will have stolen it from Obama. And don't forget James Clyburn who decried that Bill Clinton was injecting race and that the blacks would not vote for HIllary Clinton if she won the nomination. But, as Clyburn also declared at the time,that he was neutral in the race. Who believed that?

Posted by: nobama | August 25, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

My friends, I don't have any policy initiatives to offer, but I do have a shoulder for Hillary supporters to cry on. I know you like strong women. Cindy is a strong woman, like Hillary. After all, it takes a strong woman to steal a man away from his wife.

Posted by: McCainiac | August 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

obamacide - In their writings, the early church fathers, including Augustine, the person most responsible for your Bible and scripture, wrote that life began when a fetus was 6 months old! The age of the fetus, when it was deemed human, varied, but no one, not one, of them thought that a fetus was human before 3 months! The garbage you hicks and hucksters post about "life beginning at conception", is nonsense and is purely a recent invention of the Fundimentalist nut jobs, for purely political purposes. Augustine, Aquinas, Paul of Tarsus, Boethius, Clement of Rome, not one of them would recognize nor agree with your stance. What Ovbama was stating was the obvious - when life begins is a philosphical and, perhaps, ethical question. Obama does not think it is proeductive to jump into the middle of a debate between the fractious and shrill hysterics of partisans from either side in this debate.

Posted by: Observer | August 25, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

How many votes will the convention performances of these players be worth in November? I will be among the millions who will not watch either convention except, perhaps, for the acceptance speeches, which I might DVR. I think all of this is much ado over nothing.

Same for the Paul rump in St. Paul. same reason.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | August 25, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I still believe the best quote on abortion is the one attributed to Goldwater that it was none of the government's God damned business.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | August 25, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

barber - You are a genuine nut job. A "partial birth" abortion does nothing of the sort. A "partial brth" abortion is known, medicaly, as a dialation and extraction procedure. It is, in over 90% of the cases, used to abort an already dead fetus. Of all of the abortions in the U.S., this procedure accounts for 0.017% of abortions. Your hysterics and dishonesty have caused a lot of thinkiug people, myself included, to question you motives in the entire abortion debate.

Posted by: Observer | August 25, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton didn't ruin his presidency. It was a conspiracy comprised of Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Susan McDougal, Jim Guy Tucker, Kathleen Willey, Ken Starr, Al Gore, Linda Tripp, Socks, and Buddy.

And along comes Barack Obama, who has the gall to speak truth to power by pointing out that the vapid and shallow Clintons were the perfect symbols of the 1990s.

Bubba - if you think that Obama was harsh on your administration, wait until you see what history does to it. At best you will be a footnote, at best you will be the Prez with a weakness for big-haired subordinates.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 25, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters were angry that Obama did not ask Bill for advice on his Veep pick. Don't these people know what being impartial means? The fact Bill was not asked was because Hillary was on the short list. Now Bill isn't happy with the topic - national security at the convention. He would rather talk about economy. When will they ever know this is a democracy?

I hope DNC will crown Bill and Hillary in Denver after Hillary gives Obama her delegates. This will take care of their ego problems. They will probably be very successful if they can take their 18 million supporters and start a new party.
The problem is that few of their supporters has had a dollar to spare to save their queen. Talk is cheap. What comes around goes around.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

First, I just love the relevance of the earlier commenters .

Second, Chris, do you mean "riff" or "rift?" A "riff" is a musical term, a "rift" is a gap (or, in the case of the Clintons and Obama, a chasm). I know blogs are supposed to be more free-form, but you're with the Post. C'mon, you can proof-read your posts.

Posted by: blondie3 | August 25, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't even stand up to an old has-been that I soundly whipped in the primaries. and you nit-wits think I can stand up for Amurika?

I am still too afraid to go on Fox, except that cute Steve Doocy of course.

Posted by: Obamanable Snojob | August 25, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party NEEDS a MAJOR! OVERHAUL!. Forget about 2008 (Barack's gonna fell short, i.e no 270 EV for him come Nov) or 2012 (The Electoral College's gonna change because of the 2010 Census and / or Hillary ain't gonna run, she DOESN'T! NEED! TO!). So start thinking about 2016. You got 8 yrs. You've! been! warned!.

Posted by: Brando | August 25, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

When called on the carpet in 2004 for his complicity in facilitating infanticide, Obama began an extensive cover-up, accusing those who exposed the scandal of lying. But in recent days, based on documentary evidence unearthed by the National Right to Life Committee, the Obama campaign has been forced to admit that it was Obama, in fact, who had been lying all along. He not only led the charge to allow the continued practice of infanticide in Illinois, he carried the flag.

During his recent “not-ready-for-primetime” appearance at Pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback forum, Obama was asked at what point “a baby gets human rights.” His answer was shocking: “Well, uh, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or, uh, a scientific perspective, uh, answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is, is, uh, above my pay grade,” said Obama.

What?! Above my pay grade? And this man wants to be the leader of the free world? Even the most ardent pro-abortion wactivist would have likely said that a baby gets human rights as soon as it’s born, right? But Obama couldn’t say that. His opposition to Born Alive proves he doesn’t believe it. And if he had said it, he’d have been called on it.

Well, I’m calling him on it anyway.

So, we now add a new word with a dual definition to our modern political lexicon: Obamacide. It means, 1) Killing the newborn survivor of a botched abortion through a deliberate act of omission; and, 2) That which a nation commits upon itself by electing one who would allow such a thing.

Posted by: obamacide | August 25, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

During a partial-birth abortion, the abortionist pulls a fully developed, fully “viable” child – often kicking and thrashing – feet first from her mother’s womb, leaving only the top of her head in the birth canal. He then stabs her through the skull with scissors or some other sharp object, piercing her brain until her kicking and moving about suddenly and violently jerk to a halt. Her brains are then sucked out – collapsing her skull – and her now limp and lifeless body is tossed aside like so much garbage.

Again, medical science has determined that this horrific practice, which is nothing short of infanticide, is never necessary. But Barack Hussein Obama – the man who would be President – doesn’t see it that way. He called the partial-birth abortion ban, “a concerted effort to roll back the hard-won rights of American women.”

Although Obama’s love affair with partial-birth abortion has served to chip away at his finely polished veneer, his opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA) has revealed to the world that backward extremism permeates his marrow

Posted by: barber | August 25, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

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