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Video: Mitt Romney on PostTalk

After a long couple of days in New Hampshire, The Fix is taking it slow today and tomorrow.

But we wanted to make sure you caught the interview we did Wednesday with GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney as part of washingtonpost.com's "PostTalk" video interview series.

In it, Romney offers his own plan on how to deal with the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States and attacks Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) over campaign finance reform. He also welcomes former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) to the contest but noted that the Tennessean starts far behind him organizationally and financially.

You can read the story Dan Balz and I wrote, or watch our interview with Romney below:

VIDEO | PostTalk (Video: Ed O'Keefe, Chet Rhodes, Editor: Brie Hall)

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 7, 2007; 9:39 AM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008  
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Posted by: buy prozac | June 8, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Possibly the most sickening thing about Mitty, along with the other slicksters and hucksters running for the R nomination, is his total craven willingness to shred the Constitution and take away our most precious rights and liberties.

Make guantamo bigger he says! Torture more people! Kill! Kill! Kill. You're only american citizens, you don't deserve any rights.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 8, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

MikeB: sorry but anectodal reporting isn't data. And what some small school on the west coast does isn't germane to the behavior of the big schools where rankings rely on how many US citizens you accept into your program.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | June 8, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

'What Is Habeas?

Habeas corpus, which permits the accused a fair hearing in front of a neutral judge, is the most fundamental check on executive power in our Constitution. The United States Supreme Court asserted that habeas "is the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against lawless state action."

"The idea of an innocent person taken into custody and beaten and imprisoned for months without access to an attorney or a court of law is abhorrent to most Americans. By denying detainees the right to seek habeas corpus relief, we abandon the principles that made our nation great."

Sign the petition to restore your most vital Constitutional right:

http://www.defendhabeas.org/

Posted by: Anonymous | June 8, 2007 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Zouk, you are a stupid, obnoxious, shallow, tone-deaf, closed-minded, bigoted, selfish, short-sighted, and generally disagreeable person. I say this having observed you in action for some time now. If you are unable to respect others enough to take their concerns and arguments seriously, you do not belong in a forum with others who can. Go play army or something, and leave the adults alone.

Posted by: the king is dead | June 7, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, you are a stupid, obnoxious, shallow, tone-deaf, closed-minded, bigoted, selfish, short-sighted, and generally disagreeable person. I say this having observed you in action for some time now. If you are unable to respect others enough to take their concerns and arguments seriously, you do not belong in a forum with others who can. Go play army or something, and leave the adults alone.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Judge and MikeB: Engineers are often referred to as what they do, such as a homemaker "Domestic" time study "Industrial", and even some time back there was a engineering name given for garbage pickup. I am only trying to get focused on the "Degreed" if you will. Tuition vary greatly, and is not limited to region, but mainly are the lowest at state colleges and universities.

Posted by: lylepink | June 7, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Judge C. Crater - Actually...it does. I cannot recall exactly where I read it, but I'm pretty sure it was the Portland Oregonian and it was story on why public university engineering programs had so many forteign engineering students. The school admninistrators blathered about qualified applicants, but in the end admitted that fully qualified state resident students were turned away from every opening in the programs to admit foreign students...and, yes, they got an average of of $2300 per term for resident students and $5900 for non-resident/foreign students. The school got to keep the difference. Seems like small change, but multiply $3600 times 3 for a years T&F and and multiply that by the several hundred foreign students in the programs and you're talking about several million extra dollars. That's real money and it's all extra, above and beyond their normal state funding.

Posted by: MikeB | June 7, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"engineering schools referred to are all public. They aren't dumb, either, and they get three to four times the money for a foreign student over a state resident student"

I'm not sure this is uniformly true, MikeB. Out of state tuition applies to EVERYONE not from the State itself. There is no push/conspiracy to preferentially hire out of State students. You typically only pay out of State tuition until you establish residence which takes a year so the revenue stream you imagine is limited. And if you are referring to graduate students then there is typically an out of state waiver so grants/contracts can hire them at the same rate as citizens.

As a former denizen of Silly Valley I agree with you regarding the disposable nature of engineers in many companies. But the theory that out of State tuition is a big motivator for US universities has no data to support it.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | June 7, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Blarg: Pointing out FACTS are to be denied by some. I try and am met with the same failed arguements. Try dotting your "T" and crossing your "I".

Posted by: lylepink | June 7, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

loudumb: no, but i admit you're an idiot.

Posted by: Loudoun Voter | June 7, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

...no. I claim six deductions. Multiple personalities, ya' know....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

you finally decide to sign your name, koz but say the same stupid things.

the university system is only great if you can afford it, and most people can't. nor would they be able to afford to go to the private high schools you want to bring in. many of our public schools are as good or better than foreign - why do you hate america?

and their is no lack of able american students -- but the big companies would rather hire illegals and foreigners who will work for nothing.

as usual, your idiology trumps the actual inconvient facts. the only thing you really care about is not paying taxes, because you're a deadbeat. tell me, do they take taxes out of your welfare check?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Interesting topic. consider this. the american University system is the best in the world, taken advantage of by everyone who can pull it off. On the other hand, the american high school system is a shame. why the difference?

Universities are independent and compete for students. they come up with new ideas, hire part -time professors, spread the programs among different campuses. american high schools are exactly the opposite, the never fire anyone, they don't care about innovation, they are responsible to no one. One is like the fuedal system and the other like a model of modern capitalism. One is a glorious success, the other an unmitigated failure.

the result, our universites are full of foreigners. fine with me. but our jails and drug clinics are full of high school dropouts. no wonder the supply of able students is drying up, why would you think otherwise?

a fool can see the solution.

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 7, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

AOL Users Give President Bush Very Poor Marks

President Bush scores very poorly in an online poll of AOL users. Some 69% of those responding to the poll rate Bush as "poor" in foreign affairs and 66% as "poor" in domestic policies.

http://onthehillblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/aol-users-give-president-bush-very-poor.html

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

AOL Users Give President Bush Very Poor Marks

President Bush scores very poorly in an online poll of AOL users. Some 69% of those responding to the poll rate Bush as "poor" in foreign affairs and 66% as "poor" in domestic policies.

http://onthehillblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/aol-users-give-president-bush-very-poor.html

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | June 7, 2007 04:25 PM - Thereare two reason for there not being many American students in science and engineering. First, they have watched what has happened to their fathers jobs. Our best and brightest students aren't stupid. They don't want to work 70 hour work weeks in some hi-tech sweatshop, devloping new products and ideas that they will never receive any reward for. And, at the end of the day, their jobs WILL BE either outsourced or given to some young guest worker.
Second, the engineering schools referred to are all public. They aren't dumb, either, and they get three to four times the money for a foreign student over a state resident student. The state pays them a flat stipend, based on enrollment, without regard to student residency status. If they take a state resident student they get a flat discounted tuition for them. For a foreign student, however, they get a lot more money. Also, most of those students have their tuition and fees paid by their home country. No mucking around, finding financial aide packages, etc. They just get a nice clean check for the whole group. That's the wqy India and China train and pay to train MOST of their engineering and science students. It's cheaper than building colleges and hiring staff and if the Amercian's are so dumb and shoirtsighted as do do it for them, why not!

Again, this is all the result of our short term thinking in this country. There is a looming cost for all of this and it is very likely that the bill will come due sometime within the next 4 or 5 years, if not sooner.

Posted by: MikeB | June 7, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"There are apparently about 4 million of them here, too. The DOL put the number at just above 1 million and IEEE says 4 plus million. I figure the corporate-government alliance is cooking the books so believe the IEEE number, but that could be wrong."

MikeB, if you look at the caps on H1B visas every year, I think you'll find that the DOL numbers are a lot more credible. The cap is currently about 65,000 visas, and it's never been higher than about 220,000. So there's no way that 4 million people have legally been given H1B visas, but 1 million is reasonable.

Posted by: Blarg | June 7, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

JD - I definitely agree about the downtrend. My youngest daughter just graduated with a BS in Chem from UT-Austin. She was immediately employable - 4 interviews, 4 jobs offered - but she had begun as a Chem E and decided that would take 5 years, with virtually no electives. What I saw was that even kids who really like science - and she went to a public magnet hs for sci-math, can easily decide that engineering takes too long, or costs too much, or is too "narrow", although that last may be more true for the women, from my anecdotal evidence.

I think the public magnet sci-tech and math-sci hs idea works, by the way - a local, and not a fed initiative. But Austin is blessed with a large sci-tech community that is willing to go into the magnet hs and middle school and pull kids out into great internships. Again, my youngest interned at BAE on weapons systems in hs, and it was very positively reinforcing.

Still, my CS and EE friends all tell stories like MikeB's - and most of them, like MikeB, are still employed. The "shortage" is one more evidenciary anamoly.

Posted by: Mark in Austin | June 7, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

A database company that has showered money on Bill and Hillary Clinton - and is alleged to have aided scam artists - now appears to have close links to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's family as well.

The firm InfoUSA, headed by major Clinton backer Vinod Gupta, has placed Pelosi's son, Paul Pelosi Jr., on its payroll - even though he has no experience in the company's main business activities, NewsMax has learned.

[...]

The company is also under fire in a shareholder lawsuit which alleges that Gupta is appropriating company funds for personal use and his political pet projects.

Shareholder critics are furious that Gupta had InfoUsa pay former President Bill Clinton $2.1 million in "consulting fees" since he left the White House, with another $1.2 million promised.

[...]

Just four weeks after Nancy Pelosi became speaker of the House this past January, Gupta and InfoUSA hired her son as a senior vice president. He told NewsMax InfoUsa pays him $180,000 a year.

Even though his job with InfoUSA is considered full-time, Paul Pelosi continues another full-time job, as a home loan officer at Countrywide Home Loans, part of Countrywide Financial, in San Mateo, a suburb of San Francisco.

While InfoUSA is based in Omaha, Pelosi said he reports to a small InfoUSA office in San Mateo.

[...]

Asked what a home mortgage loan officer would know about the business of InfoUsa which manages databases about consumers for direct mail and telemarketing, Pelosi said his experience in investment banking has been useful to the company in its acquisitions of other companies.

Posted by: Dem money flows into sewer | June 7, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Yo- JD is talkin' sense when he says we have to "groom our kids better for the sciences, get them excited about telecom, EE, and CS degrees again. Not sure how to best do that though, and for some reason, I'm pretty sure that if the gov tries, it will muck it up."

Not only do I heartily agree with the conclusion, I argue that the gov't has already inadvertently accomplished that result. The schools are clogged up with regulations and standardized tests that get in the way of actually educatin' kids.

Posted by: bsimon | June 7, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Mark in Austin - Nope, I don't really know, just suspicions. I do know the that recent changes to the H1-B visa allow these workers to switch employers and look for new jobs after a year or so. There are apparently about 4 million of them here, too. The DOL put the number at just above 1 million and IEEE says 4 plus million. I figure the corporate-government alliance is cooking the books so believe the IEEE number, but that could be wrong. What I do know, is that American engineers aren't getting jobs, aren't even being considered when there is an opening. Sort of a reverse racism/reverse discrimination thing. Most of the H1-B (and L1 visa, too) workers come from India and reports are that 90% plus of them return home within 5 years. Those hired don't have families and are younger and healthier. So their benefit costs are very very low. A lot of people don't realize that most hi-tech firms are "self insured". That means they set aside a pile of money for employees and dependents and pay claims from it. If the pile runs out, they have to pony up more money. One of my fist jobs as a DBA was to track medical and dental claims for employees and their dependents. The companies, then, made up a list, from highest to lowest. The ones that used the most benefits were the ones added to layoff lists. So, guys with sick children or wives with exspensive medical bills were the first to get canned. I jst made up the lists and pretended to be stupid about the layoff lists. Finally, my conscience got the better of me and I took this to the federal and state AG offices. They told me this was perfectly legal. I asked about HIPPA (the medical privacy act) and was told that there was a loophole in that law that permitted employers to know about medical claim information for employees and their families. So much for family values. (I quit that job, by the way.) I think that the Indian workers either somehow know about this or there is some cultural thing about not using doctors becasue their medical expenses are always low.

As for the Indian workers, they work flat out impossible hours, 60, 70, 80 hour weeks. I think it's for the training and experience so they can get a job back in India, marry a "local" girl, etc. The ones I have talked with really don't like it here. No American, at least one that wanted to have a marriage and family, could even hope to work those sorts of hours. But I did for several years and I read in the newspaper where those few American hi-tech workers who still have jobs work those sorts of hours, too. This is now carrying over to other "trades". Insurance and stock market employees are working those impossible hours...and paying the price. I figure somewhere, somehow, there are other guest worker programs or maybe it's outsourcing, but something is threatening those people so much that they are working themselves out of any kind of life. Kind of sad, but the new America, the one that insults Europeans about their 40 hour work week, is working its citizens out of heal;th and family and life...and, eventually, out of a job. Not very productive in the end, either, as our economy sucks and is contracting whereas Europe's is going gangbusters.

Posted by: MikeB | June 7, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Is Harry Reid Having A Mental Meltdown?

This is from the Senate transcript of floor debate earlier. He gets the Attorney General's name wrong (you know, all hispanics all named Antonio) and he can't even get the name right for the second branch of government. Weird.

See below:

I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THE FAILED ATTORNEY GENERALSHIP OF GONZALES BUT THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DO THAT. I MAY NOT HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WOULD BE BEFORE THE SENATE IS A SIMPLE VOTE ON A MOTION TO PROCEED. IF THE MINORITY DOESN'T WISH TO PROCEED TO HAVE A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE ON HIM, IT WON'T HAPPEN. IF THERE WERE EVER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LEGISLATIVE BODY TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, IT'S WITH WHAT'S NAPPING THAT JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS READ THE NEWSPAPER TODAY TO FIND OUT WHAT HAS GONE ON IN THIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. SHOULD WE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN ANTONIO GONZALES? I DON'T THINK SO. BUT WE'RE ON IMMIGRATION. THIS IS A DAY FOR GETTING ALONG. I'M GOING TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO GET ALONG. I HOPE EVERYONE WILL DO THAT, CONTINUE TO WORK ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS TO MOVE FORWARD ON IMMIGRATION

Posted by: By Erick | June 7, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Jefferson is a piker"

so you admit that Dems are incompetent at just about everything they try to do? I must agree that harry Reid and his dirty land deals are quite clever at technically skirting the law.

Posted by: loudumb | June 7, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Have you been in an upper level math, engineering or CS class lately. there are no anglos there.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Mark, don't kid yourself that there's no shortage of American-born kids going to engineering school; there's a huge downward trend, and it's getting worse.

People may decry the H1Bs, but the alternative is offshoring the work; frankly, I'd rather have it happen in the US. But an even better alternative is groom our kids better for the sciences, get them excited about telecom, EE, and CS degrees again. Not sure how to best do that though, and for some reason, I'm pretty sure that if the gov tries, it will muck it up.

Posted by: JD | June 7, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

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I am busy, busy.

Posted by: my morning recap | June 7, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"just a typical Dem at work in congress"

you're right, nimrod. Repubs like Randy Duke Cunningham set the bar for graft much higher. Jefferson is a piker.

Posted by: Loudoun Voter | June 7, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

MikeB - when my employer clients want to bring in someone under an H1B visa, I end up having to do the grunt work for the immigration lawyer we associate - and there is a lot of grunt work. We have to show that we have advertised and looked for American workers and we cannot find them. And as I recall, by late Spring 2006, all of 2006's visas were gone - used up.

At the same time, my many, many, engineer friends tell me that there is no shortage of American engineers and the high-tech hustle is to get lower paid and younger, always younger, foreigners in - who will not likely add to the pension liability.

Frankly, I have discussed this disconnect of evidenciary logic until I am blue in the face and I do not understand how both sets of facts are operational at the same time - although I believe they are.

You have a clue?

Posted by: Mark in Austin | June 7, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A federal judge Thursday froze the assets of Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., who was indicted this week on charges of soliciting hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes. Among the 16 criminal counts Jefferson is facing is a criminal forfeiture count, and prosecutors have already said they will seek to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars from Jefferson that they believe he obtained illicitly by peddling his influence to help broker business deals in Africa.

Posted by: just a typical Dem at work in congress | June 7, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Mostly I just cut and paste. I have made my rounds of Kos and huff and moveon and now I am back to annoy the bloggers on the Fix for several hours.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, CC -- I really can't watch the man without laughing. What a clown! What a phony! Slick Mitty--what will he flipflop on today? He was for abortion before he was against it! Does anyone have any idea what he really thinks? Only the members of the Mormon hierarchy really know -- and they aren't telling. They never do.

Posted by: | June 7, 2007 09:51 AM


Been here all day, intend to stay all night to go on and post anon/fake name for 8 f*cking solid hours here with the same repititious drool, over and over again, like some loony in a bin. I am just that much of a loser. the most amazing thing is I haven't said anything intelligent the entire time.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

'While I am one of the multitudes who despise New York City, I would find it very difficult to decide which city I would rather see destroyed by terrorists, asteroids, Biblical plagues or global warming: New York, Washington D.C. or Hollywood. It's hard to choose because America would be much better off without all three.'

A blooger who calls himself a con. Why the 'conservative' movement is failing -- you are violence-crazed nuts. You are blinded with hatred for America and pretty much everything else in the world.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Another interesting moment from John Edwards' press conference after his terrorism speech today. Check out how tightly Edwards -- responding to a question -- yoked Rudy to our sinking President:

"If Mayor Giuliani believes that what President Bush has done is good, and wants to embrace it and run a campaign for the Presidency saying, 'I will give you four more years of what this president has given you,' then he's allowed to do that. He'll never be elected President of the United States, but he's allowed to do that."

Bush is below 30% in very approval category in a new poll released today, where he hit new lows in popularity -- only about a quarter of the poopulation approve of his policies. So I hope rudy continues to wraps himself around bush and embrace his policies. Once people get to know who he really is -- and how much money he has made off the 3000 dead--and what actually happened on 9/11 [why do you think he had a reporter arrested for just asking about it]-- and now he's trying to get the guy tried for ESPIONAGE --only the same wingnut 25% that love bush will vote for him.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

At Tuesday's Republican presidential debate, one of the most memorable questions came from Erin Flanagan, whose brother died in Iraq last year. She asked what the candidates would do to end the war in Iraq:

'As a member of an American family who has suffered so greatly at the choices made by the current administration, I desperately would like to know what you as commander in chief would do, both in the halls of the American government, to bring the parties together, as well as on the desert sands of the Middle East to bring this conflict to a point in which we can safely bring our troops home.'

On NBC News this morning, Flanagan said that none of the candidates actually answered her question. "Obviously, I know it's a tough one, and I knew when I asked it," Flanagan said. "But I think -- I truly believe that's what the American public wants to know: how we can work together to get out."

But that didn't stop the media from falling all ourselves about Mccain's 'great answer' -- which was a total evasion.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Blarg - Clowns with free ice cream will always be more popular than serious policy.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

MikeB - That was Zouk. He's genetically predisposed to labelling anything that he doesn't like as Liberal.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Ratings don't seem to be out for this week's Republican debate yet. Here are ratings for the previous debate:

"According to Nielsen Media Research date, 1.8 million viewers tuned in to MSNBC to watch the 10 Republican presidential candidates go at it at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley Thursday night.

The previous week's Democratic debate at South Carolina State University attracted 2.3 million watchers."
http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2007/05/debate_tv_ratings.html

Looks like the Democratic debates have been a lot more popular than the Republican debates! I agree; there's definitely a shrinking interest in nonsense.

Posted by: Blarg | June 7, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

'don't mind cowering in fear' -- that's right, koz, you are a real bedwetter. everything scares you. so much so you want bigger and bigger government and more and more taxpayer money poured into projects that have been a black hole for 30 years and STILL show no signs of EVER working.

and then you whine about ignornant cowards and then go on and post anon/fake name for 8 f*cking solid hours here with the same repititious drool, over and over again, like some loony in a bin. which is where you belong anyway. they canjust forward your welfare checks.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | June 7, 2007 03:17 PM - You are partially correct, just leave off the "liberal" label and you've got it right. My observation is that Clinton supporters are the same hate and fear mongering, intolerant fools, brainless twits, and blithering idiots that compose Bush supporters. I suppose that is becasue they are both "NeoCons" and the offspring of Hitler's Nazi's. Oh, and Obama supporters are even worse.

Posted by: MikeB | June 7, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

shrinking: The debate had a better ending.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | June 7, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

So basically under 1% of the american population gives a whit about what hillary thinks. this is the loudmouth liberal loonies. they have to be loud, as you see now, because there are really so few of them. Perhaps they already know she is just going to lie to them anyway. why watch.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The debate involving the Democratic party's eight White House hopefuls, shown nationally on CNN, was seen in 2.02 million households and drew 2.78 million viewers, according to figures compiled by Nielsen Media Research. The New Hampshire debate was telecast from 7-9 p.m. EDT.

By comparison, the New York Yankees-Boston Red Sox baseball game, which got under way on ESPN at 8 p.m., attracted the most households ever to watch a Sunday night game on the cable network. Tuning in were 3.98 million homes and 5.3 million viewers.

Posted by: shrinking interest in nonsense | June 7, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The Senate refused to limit debate on overhauling U.S. immigration law as Democrats urged President George W. Bush to rally Republicans to rescue the legislation. The 33 votes to shut off debate were 27 short of the 60 needed by Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada to bring to a conclusion debate on legislation to grant legal status to 12 million undocumented aliens. He said he would seek another vote later today. If it fails, ``the bill's gone,'' Reid said. ``What else can I do?''


Nothing harry, same as ever. If you ever pass a single law, it will be a miracle in ineptitude.

Posted by: impotent Harry | June 7, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Since we are officially OT anyway:

If Stevens Were A D:
1. This would be splashed all over Faux News and be re-run every 15 minutes. The total lack of any substance would provide no hindrance to inference and speculation. They would find footage of Stevens in a situation that makes him look like the target of an investigation.
2. Various right wing nutcases would show up here and demand that Stevens resign immediately. And go on to say that this proves all D's are crooks blah, blah, blah.

Anyone want to take a stab at #3?

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | June 7, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Why would we need a missile shield to lose a war? what a waste of money.

Posted by: Nancy and Harry | June 7, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

If you have the audacity to defend your sovereign territory or your allies, we will be very displeased. Please lie down and let us have our way with you. We know there are many Dems who desire to surrender to whoever offers. We accept. If you want to get along with us, follow the Kerry route and check with France before you do anything. Wait they elected someone with a spine. check with Iran then.

Posted by: Mexico and Russia | June 7, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. Provoke a new Cold War and a new international arms race on the one hand and stop p*ssing 1.5 trillion dollars a year down a rat hole to pay for 12 or 15 or 20 million illegals that steal jobs from Amercian's and are disproportionally responsible for about 1/3 of all violent crimes. Oh, I don't know, you tell us, what IS the difference?

Posted by: MikeB | June 7, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Those of us "opposed" to the missile shield are merely suggesting that we think about the consequences of it and the reactions of the rest of the world before we embark upon it."


does the same apply to building a fence? what is the difference?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

" illerate and ignorant idiots "

thanks for thinking of me

I Love you MikeB, you understand me

Ignorant coward

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind cowering in fear and surrendering, but I thought you were supposed to leave us alone once we demonstrated we are harmless. I may need to reconsider my global strategy. I always thought I could talk to bullies and get them to stop. I will try to talk some more. What is it I can offer you? anything you want....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Tell us KOZ, are all of your opinions sound bites from FOX News? First of all, not all Democrats oppose Bush's silly missile shield. Some are brainless enough to want it. And, those who oppose it are more than a little concerned about Putin's (and Russian public opinion) threats to embark upon a new arms race and a new cold war over it. A lot of the world sees the U.S. as a dangerous rogue state right now. The announced postion and apparent public acceptance of "pre-emptive military reponse" (you ought to be familiar with this sort of illogical twisting of language, turning mean on it's head, as you apparently practicew this all the time) sounds an awful lot like the sort of stuff spouted by Adolf Hitler back in the 1930's...and we all know where that led. Those of us "opposed" to the missile shield are merely suggesting that we think about the consequences of it and the reactions of the rest of the world before we embark upon it. If politvian's and people actually thought about consequences and long term results we wouldn't be in Iraq, we wouldn't be debating about amnesty for illegals, our economy wouldn't be stagnent, the dollar wouldn't be upside down against the rest of the world's currancies, we wouldn't have global climate change having disasterous consequences for us in the near future, and illerate and ignorant idiots wouldn't lather about supporting Bush or nominating moral and intellectual midgets like Clinton and Obama.

Posted by: MikeB | June 7, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

see that was koz, he is stalking me along with several others. I have to hide under my bed and keep the shades drawn most days.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Bush went to Yale, I went into the infantry. John Kerry was at least right about me - too stupid for the commercial marketplace.

I still can't get along with anyone. Hey MikeB, want to start a 12 step program for out of work losers who blame the government for everything. We may even eventually figure out that expecting everything FROM the government is the cause. no. probably not.

If only I had some hair, maybe anyone would talk to me.

I relish my ignorance so blow me.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

the rightwing anon is always koz... you can tell because he obbsesses about exactly the same things as under his signed posts... oh the terrible 'Dems', the terrrible 'Libs'... etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

'Yes I am. aren't I special, they always told me so on that short bus to school.'

yes i'm sure they did, koz. you and george bush.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Anon is quite simply and intellectually and morally bankrupt whack job that feels free to blather and stand reason and ordinary definitions of language on it's head

Yes I am. aren't I special, they always told me so on that short bus to school.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Democrats want to cut funds for missile system
.......figures. Leave us defensless. anyone know a good bomb shelter builder in case some Lib gets voted in by the dead?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

LOS ANGELES - Paris Hilton was released from a Los Angeles County jail early Thursday because of an unspecified medical problem

Is that some sort of nuclear STD that the rest of the prisoners didn't want to catch?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

War Is Not Lost, And Victory Is Important
Posted: Monday, May 14, 2007 4:30 PM PT


Contrary to the assessment of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, most Americans surveyed in the latest IBD/TIPP Poll do not believe the U.S. has lost the war in Iraq.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=264036858199701

In fact, they believe the war is winnable and that victory is important. They are not against a timetable for withdrawal, but feel stabilization of the country should come first. They also believe that conduct of war should be left to generals, not Congress, and Congress' war authorization should not be repealed.

Posted by: more lib lies exposed | June 7, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm sitting here reading the posts in support of immigration and guest workers and it pretty much all boils down to various emotion reactions - aiding the desparately poor, human rights, etc. They seem to have forgotten that there are somewhere between 12 and 20 million of these workers, presently illegal, plus lord only knows how many legal guest workers (and more on the way!), all of whom are going to be competing with our present work force for jobs. No one has explained how we are going to pay for these millions of workers, who is going to preovide the social services they will suddenly need and use, and a lot more. I rather liken Kennedy's legislation to Bush's push to invade Iraq - no intelligence, no planning, no thought for the long term consequences, expecting/hoping that everything will turn out just wonderfully, and be greeted in the streets by adoring crowds of newly amnestied people who throw roses. The reality, I suggest, is going to quite different from that. Just remember, these are the same ignorant clodhoppers who voted overwhelmingly to invade Iraq and now admit they didn't even read the legislation authorizing it...or Homeland Security and spying on American's, imprsonment with trial for certain suspects, and the suspension of a lot of our liberties and freedoms. Clinton and Kennedy and Kerry are quite as much to blame for all of this as is McCain and Gulianni and Romney and Bush and Cheney.

Now, the anon. poster apparently thinks that protecting American jobs is somehow Marxist, but the last time I checked, the sort of fuzzy minded one world insanity advocated by the globalization fanatics like him was Marxism! It's intersting to see someone so stupid, abuse the English language and any sort of common sense in such a lame and goofily immature argument to support selling this country out. Anon is quite simply and intellectually and morally bankrupt whack job that feels free to blather and stand reason and ordinary definitions of language on it's head. The surpirse is that so many people make similar arguments and are even listened to.

Posted by: MikeB | June 7, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Yikes!! Now that I've started reading the article to which Chris links at the top, I see that Romney actually is proposing a sane approach to immigration. Well Blow Me Down...

"Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney advocated a policy of attrition to deal with the more than 12 million immigrants who are in the United States illegally, insisting that they can be slowly repatriated simply by enforcing current law or changing provisions of a controversial bipartisan plan pending in the Senate.

Romney said he had no desire to "round them up as one big group" and send illegal immigrants back to their native countries. Instead, he said the idea is "to take people who are here today and working here and replace them gradually and humanely with our own citizens as well as with legal immigrants who come in to take their place.""

Posted by: bsimon | June 7, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Smartest Woman On Earth?
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Election 2008: Sen. Hillary Clinton's fans suggest that her brilliance outshines her character flaws. But if she's so smart, how did she flunk the D.C. bar exam, one of the easiest in the nation?

Voters have a right to ask. Clinton's camp may pooh-pooh the failure. But a new book profiling her life reveals that it was a big enough deal that she hid the embarrassment from even her closest friends for years.

From another biography, we also now learn that the esteemed senator failed to read the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq before she voted to authorize President Bush to use force in 2002. She now regrets the decision, claiming she was misled by faulty intelligence she never bothered to read.

Turns out Clinton had to be "briefed" by staffers on the details of one of the most important government reports ever printed. What, the smartest woman in the world couldn't scan a 90-page dossier? She had to get the Cliffs Notes?

These latest revelations make us wonder if Hillary Clinton's vaunted IQ isn't just another Clinton fabrication. Is this why she refuses to release her Wellesley and Yale transcripts?

Bush released his Yale transcripts (C student). So did the previous Democratic presidential candidate, John Kerry (another Yalie with a C average). What is Clinton hiding?

Here's why this matters: Voters are supposed to want to elect her because of her smarts and competence (because we all know it's not her honesty). Her brains are her entire selling point.

But we're learning she's not so smart, after all. Voters deserve full disclosure to make an informed choice about her credentials for occupying the highest office in the land. And without seeing her college records, they really can't make one.

To be sure, Clinton's no dunce; she got into Wellesley and Yale. But how does a Yale law student bomb the D.C. bar and have to settle for practicing law in Little Rock (where she tried just five cases in her career)?

Did Hillary really "excel" in school? Is she really the smartest woman in the world?

Another biography, published a decade ago by Joyce Milton, suggests Clinton was a mediocre student who didn't even finish in the top of her high school class. However, she was a hard worker who had a reputation as a "teacher's pet" and was skilled at making the "right connections" to advance her career, Milton says in "The First Partner: Hillary Rodham Clinton."

At Wellesley, where she fought for pass-fail grading as student president, Clinton wrote her thesis on radical Saul Alinksy, who staged "fart-ins" to wring concessions from corporations. Life magazine anointed the budding social activist as a voice of her generation, which no doubt sweetened her application to Yale, then a hotbed of radicalism.

Upon graduating, Bill quickly landed a professorship teaching law. But Hillary had no prospects and stayed behind in New Haven,Conn. Eventually, a Yale law professor tapped her to work on the House impeachment staff. Again, she had the right connections. Hitching her wagon to Bill propelled her into the statehouse, then the White House and now the Senate.

"I don't think she is smarter than Bill, though some people will say that," said Ellen Brantley, who attended Wellesley with Hillary and later knew both her and Bill in Little Rock.

"Bill was the original thinker, as Hillary was not," Milton added.

In short, Hillary has always had more ambition than brilliance.

Is this why she's so scripted and relies so heavily on handlers and advisers? Is this why she uses questionable means to beat her "enemies," perceived and otherwise, hiring private eyes to dig up dirt on them?

Or is this why she couldn't recall anything when questioned by the feds and the press about her various scandals -- from the Travel Office purge and cattle futures windfall to the Whitewater sweetheart deal and missing subpoenaed billing records?

Is it why she's let herself be publicly demeaned by a philandering husband? Was he her ticket to political fame and fortune?

The other major revelation from the latest round of tell-all books on Hillary is that she was in charge of putting down what her pal Betsy Wright described as "bimbo eruptions" during her husband's 1992 campaign. Bimbo? How ironic.

Posted by: so stupid she should go to Iraq | June 7, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Mark in Austin writes
"bsimon, I just read your "snitch" idea! Cool."

Prosecutors at every level of the justice system make such decisions on a daily basis. Seems to me it should be an obvious option to anyone serious about enforcing immigration/labor law. Which may be the problem...

Posted by: bsimon | June 7, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

boo hoo, Karl Marx guaranteed me a job for life.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

One last note for now -

MikeB, whom we all think of as ranting, is an accomplished mathematician, engineer, and multipatent inventor, according to a note he addressed to lylepink.

He cited his patents; I looked at the patent abstracts, and I think he is telling the truth. He claims to have been displaced by Indian engineers and he may have earned the right to be damned insensitive about it.

Just a note of compassion from me; you are not required to do anything about it!

Posted by: Mark in Austin | June 7, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Blow me!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I am NOT BEING SARCASTIC. It just seems that what is so obvious to us is not what either the lock-em-ups or the give-em-the-keys folks in DC want, but it is really soo obvious to us.

We currently have an illegal alien dentention center near Austin and the backlog of cases has some folks staying for Gitmo like periods, so we have to expand the INS admin court system, too.

Posted by: Mark in Austin | June 7, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

bsimon, I just read your "snitch" idea! Cool.

Posted by: Mark in Austin | June 7, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

JD, Blarg, and bsimon - good morning.

We have an outline here that I bet we could get through Congress piecemeal, if we hire full-time lobbyists.

1. Increased border security on both borders. Americans WILL GLADLY pay that bill.

2. Either the hard IDs proposed by DHS or biometric IDs so employers are not relying on social security numbers. BTW, one of my clients just got feedback, after 22 mos., that SS "has no record" of one of his employee's cards. No enforcement follows...

3. ICE enforcement of deportations at a level that should incrementally increase after IDs are "hardened".

As JD offered, at the point where we can say that the inflow has been reduced to some predetermined "tolerable" level, AND the IDs have been "hardened", AND the employer penalties have been made swift and sure [they do not have to be draconian, just swift and sure will work]

we can debate paths to regularization.

Hey, we can do this! We might need to think about our Lobby Team, now.

Posted by: Mark in Austin | June 7, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

New York, June 7, 2007) � In the most comprehensive accounting to date, six leading human rights organizations today published the names and details of 39 people who are believed to have been held in secret US custody and whose current whereabouts remain unknown. The briefing paper also names relatives of suspects who were themselves detained in secret prisons, including children as young as seven.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/HRW/c1ecc79765104dd8276e6f23da4624d3.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

'US adopts limits on clean water law enforcement
Reuters - Jun 5, 2007
By Lisa Lambert. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The landmark US law to fight water pollution will now apply only to bodies of water large enough for boats to use, and their adjacent wetlands, and will not automatically protect streams, the US government said ...'

watch the wingers be really thrilled that they will now be drnking dirtier water...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Crude-oil prices rallied past $67 a barrel Thursday as reports of a delay in tanker loadings at Oman and a slowdown in US refinery activity last week renewed concerns about energy supplies.

Posted by: gas going higher | June 7, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

A May 8 transcript reveals that the debate this week isn't the first time Mitt Romney offered his curious answer to the question "If you had to make the decision, based on what we know now, if you were the president there, do you think you would have done the same thing?"

"Well, it's a setting that's almost a null set. Which is, if we knew that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, and if he had complied with the United Nations resolutions to allow IAEA inspectors into his country, we wouldn't be having this conversation."

Almost a null set, eh? This is evidence that he didn't just screw up his Iraq history at the debates on Tuesday, but rather that he's in a constant state of either denial, ignorance, or deception.

On March 7, 2003 Muhammed ElBarradei of the International Atomic Energy Agency told the world, "After three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons programme in Iraq."

Posted by: the lies, the lies | June 7, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

great ignorant coward post at 12:02.

Posted by: Loudoun Voter | June 7, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

for the truth is the mortal enemy of koz...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

'What if the netleft, that has created the impression that there is a rising plurality that would like to abandon Iraqis to Qaeda, Quds and the Ba'ath, are just a few thousand committed Marxists in their pajamas?'

nutjob conspiracy theorists permeat the wingers...

Posted by: tinfoil hat parade | June 7, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

blarg writes
"Right now, it's easy for businesses to exploit and underpay illegal immigrants. The workers don't complain to the authorities for fear of being deported. If they were allowed to sue for their rights like legal employees, then they couldn't be mistreated like that."

Rather than blanket amnesty, I would use an incentive program for targeting businesses that exploit illegals. Much like granting immunity to mafia snitches, offer some leniency to undocumented workers in exchange for identifying employers that abuse the system.

Posted by: bsimon | June 7, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

consider that all those illegals pay into social security without the ability to ever withdraw the money. what a great way to maintain the Dem power base and spending priorities.

Posted by: Asterix | June 7, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

for the truth is the mortal enemy of the Liberal

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

JD writes
"I think we're better off with no bill rather than this one. And as a libertarian, I would be very happy if the Senate were to pass some enforcement-only bill FIRST; then we can debate some kind of amnesty, but on the merits."

Along those lines, I don't understand why they don't just write some kind of special appropriations bill that dedicates funding to immigration law enforcement. Make sure ICE has the resources they need to do their job. Enforce the law rather than cluttering up the books with even more.

Posted by: bsimon | June 7, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

' get a life you dunce.' yes you are koz. so now you will be on all day... so good at projection.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." -- Joseph Goebbels

Posted by: | June 7, 2007 11:28 AM"

It seems the dems have learned this lesson - by failing to appear on the #1 cable news channel because they fear dissent. Honestly, this blockade of Fox News is just the worst sort of pandering to the base. I would hope the dem. candidates would want to be the president of the entire country...not just those that follow them blindly.

Posted by: FH | June 7, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I have often wondered why Time contributor Joe Klein is such a special target of left-wing blogger wrath. He's a capable journalist and the author of one truly fine novel, Primary Colors. I don't much like it that he falsely denied that authorship - but Kos contributors who crouch in the cowardice of anonymity do not have much standing to criticize him on that score. (sound like anyone you know?)

My own working theory till now has been that the anti-Klein sentiment exposes the tyrannical impulses of the American Left. Being a left-leaning journalist is not sufficient, comrade! We demand total unthinking obedience! You are guilty of deviationism and individualism: Go practice self-criticism until you are prepared to submit to the perfect correctness of the thoughts of Chairman Kos!

I still believe that there is much truth to my working theory. Today's Klein post , however, compels a revision. Here's the key sentence:

[T]he smart stuff [in the left-wing blogs] is being drowned out by a fierce, bullying, often witless tone of intolerance that has overtaken the left-wing sector of the blogosphere (you know who we mean). Anyone who doesn't move in lockstep with the most extreme voices is savaged and ridiculed--especially people like me who often agree with the liberal position but sometimes disagree and are therefore considered traitorously unreliable.

Sorry Joe: that's whining. In a media age, we who write make public figures of ourselves. We seek a public platform, but the prominence of our platforms carries a price. There will be criticism, and not all of it will be fair. Words will be misconstrued, false stories will be circulated. We've all experienced it. It comes with the territory.

Yes, you get targeted because of your not-left-enough politics. Yes, no doubt many of your critics resent and envy your platinum membership in the DC Media Club.

But I am now wondering whether your critics did not also sniff out the self-regard, self-importance, and - yes - vulnerability exposed in the post quoted above. Just as you say, the left-wing bloggers are fierce, intolerant, and often witless bullies. But remember: bullies prey on weakness. Your quavering, pitiful, "hey cmon you guys, quit it" pleas only invite more pummelling. Be a man! Stop complaining. Stop paying the Danegeld of false compliments to people who don't deserve it. Hit back when you must; otherwise suck it up and keep working.

**
Update: Eli Lake adds a comment.

I bet at least half of the netleft are failed professors, over-educated literary theory PHDs, who make themselves appear more numerous than they arethrough their anonymity and deliberate manipulation of google. Their real audience are the technocrat staffers for Dems on the Hill, who agreed with them that their bosses were pushovers during the Bush presidency.


What if the netleft, that has created the impression that there is a rising plurality that would like to abandon Iraqis to Qaeda, Quds and the Ba'ath, are just a few thousand committed Marxists in their pajamas? What if the Dems have strategically miscalculated? What if their over-compensation is to appease a vocal 1 percent of the electorate that actually draws contempt from the rest of the country?

Posted by: David | June 7, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Enforcement is definitely the top priority. Businesses have gotten away with hiring illegal immigrants on the cheap for far too long.

In a way, I'd rather see total amnesty than lack of enforcement. That would at least improve the working conditions for immigrants. Right now, it's easy for businesses to exploit and underpay illegal immigrants. The workers don't complain to the authorities for fear of being deported. If they were allowed to sue for their rights like legal employees, then they couldn't be mistreated like that.

I realize that there are plenty of other problems with total amnesty. But it still has some advantages over the current situation.

Posted by: Blarg | June 7, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Ignorant coward has fallen off the wagon again and is cutting and pasting frantically trying to avoid any substance. Kos must have evicted him for idiocy again. I see two other posts on here other than the smarmy coward. get a life you dunce.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Glad you asked, Blarg.

I think we're better off with no bill rather than this one. And as a libertarian, I would be very happy if the Senate were to pass some enforcement-only bill FIRST; then we can debate some kind of amnesty, but on the merits.

What the current bill does is an abomination. And I'm telling you, the Dems and Repubs who vote for it will pay a steep price in Nov 08 if this bill gets passed. This bill has the motivating power of the gay marriage state amendments to get the base out, it will be enough to sway the presidency, you watch.

Posted by: JD | June 7, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." -- Joseph Goebbels

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30

Video of reporter Rudy had arrrested for asking a question. I used to live in a country called America, but it is gone now.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

While most observers are focused on the U.S. Congress as it continues to issue new rubber stamps to legitimize Bush's permanent designs on Iraq, nationalists in the Iraqi parliament -- now representing a majority of the body -- continue to make progress toward bringing an end to their country's occupation.

The parliament today passed a binding resolution that will guarantee lawmakers an opportunity to block the extension of the U.N. mandate under which coalition troops now remain in Iraq when it comes up for renewal in December.

Posted by: when will the gop press report this? | June 7, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse


'[Ailes] had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided not to debate on Fox.

"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes. "And that's what's coming."

so ailes agrees, fox is like al queda. couldnta said it better myself.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

'The reporter was taken to jail - in violation of the First Admendment - and is being charged with felony criminial trespass. Because the reporter was using a camera, state police are considering charges of espionage. '

Sounds like the good old Soviet Union, doesn't it? Worse than China, certainly. Wonder when they'll start the waterboarding? I warn the press -- don't ask Rudy any difficult questions or he will have your tongue cut out.

Posted by: Rudy a threat to America | June 7, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

In the effort to get some kind of discussion as an alternative to pasted news articles: JD, what kind of immigration bill do you think would actually be passed by the Senate? It seems that there are very few aspects of immigration that a majority of the Senate agrees on. That's why this bill is such a lame compromise. Do you think the Senate is likely to pass any kind of immigration bill?

Posted by: Blarg | June 7, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Flip-Flop Mitty,
What a pity,
All that hair,
But no nitty-gritty.

Just an empty suit.

Posted by: Loudoun Voter | June 7, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Manchester, NH - Freelance reporter Matt Lepacek, reporting for Infowars.com, was arrested for asking a question to one of Giuliani's staff members in a press conference. The press secretary identified the New York based reporter as having previously asked Giuliani about his prior knowledge of WTC building collapses and ordered New Hampshire state police to arrest him.

Jason Bermas, reporting for America: Freedom to Fascism, confirmed Lepacek had official CNN press credentials for the Republican debate. However, his camera was seized by staff members who shut off the camera, according to Luke Rudkowski, also a freelance Infowars reporter on the scene. He said police physically assaulted both reporters after Rudkowski objected that they were official members of the press and that nothing illegal had taken place.

Posted by: Rudy is a true fascist | June 7, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

An effort to buy floating barriers to protect the nation's fleet from attacks several years ago led to millions of dollars in waste and may have involved criminal fraud by a government employee and contractor, officials of the Navy and the U.S. General Services Administration told a House subcommittee yesterday.

The hearing followed a Washington Post report detailing how the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, the GSA and contractors worked together to sidestep rules designed to protect taxpayer money.

Invoices and other documents show that officials at the NCIS, which was responsible for the barrier project, directed the GSA to hire a favored contractor and subcontractor. Those companies did little significant work on the barriers but took at least $3.6 million in fees, according to audit documents.'

It's clear that those who favor privatization don't care that their taxpayer money is being fraudulntly wasted and stolen, so they should stop whining about paying taxes--and just give eveything they've got to their good friends, the transnational corporations.

Posted by: more R privatization/corruption | June 7, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Remember, the whole point of terrorism is to sow terror. Every time a conservative or the Bush Adminsitration freaks out at a potential act of terrorism, no matter, how remote, the terrorists win. They don't actually have to set off the bomb, they just need to scare people. So every freak out is a victory for the enemy. Fox News? One of the terrorists' biggest allies. The Bush Administration? The terrorists couldn't have done it without them. And those "manly men" conservatives that are perpetually wetting themselves in fear?

Well, when even the most hapless, incompetent, laughably unworkable plots get them riled up in a tizzy, you don't even need competent terrorists to be effective.

Conservatives are truly the terrorists' greatest allies.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Well, since we're OT in record time, let me put in my hope that the bad immigration bill goes down in flames. And most of the country seems to agree with me:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/support_for_senate_immigration_bill_falls_49_prefer_no_bill_at_all

Posted by: JD | June 7, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Suffering from "continuing financial losses," Washington Post radio and owner Bonneville International Corp. are now considering how to increase ratings for its talk radio content. Bonneville vice president Jim Farley said that he believes the station needs "more conversational elements." The Post reports this morning that to increase ratings, the station is considering hiring right-wing pundit Glenn Beck:

Among the programs that Bonneville is considering is a show hosted by conservative Glenn Beck. However, both Bonneville and The Post must agree on all programming decisions.

Beck's widely syndicated show is now heard from noon to 3 p.m. on WTNT (570 AM). "Beck is an interesting guy," said Joel Oxley, Bonneville's top local executive. "He does a good job in some other markets."

Beck may be an "interesting guy," but for all the wrong reasons. He has repeatedly made homophobic, sexist, and racist comments on air, at one time calling Katrina survivors in New Orleans "scumbags."

In Jan. 2006, CNN Headline News also wanted to increase its ratings and brought on Beck because of his "incredibly entertaining personality." But since that time, his ratings have plummeted. Chris Achorn at My Two Sense noted that at the end of May, Beck's numbers "were LOWER then a year ago when he was just starting." His viewership continues to be one of the lowest on cable news.

Posted by: wapo loves winger losers | June 7, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

n April, during the congressional debate over war funding, Gen. David Petraeus pushed back against a withdrawal timeline from Iraq "because we're only about two months into the surge," assuring Congress that he would be able to report on progress in September:

We're only about two months into the surge. We won't have all the forces on the ground until mid-June and I pointed that out to them, and noted that Ambassador Crocker and I would be doing an assessment in early September and provide that to our respective bosses at that time.

But now that the debate on timelines has passed, Petraeus is asking for even more time. Today in an interview with Lara Logan of CBS News, Petraeus tried to argue that the surge hasn't even started yet:

'We haven't started the surge yet. So let me have a few months.'

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Sen. Ted Stevens, the longest-serving Republican in the Senate, disclosed in an interview that the FBI asked him to preserve records as part of a widening investigation into Alaskan political corruption that has touched his son and ensnared one of his closest political confidants and financial backers.

Stevens, who is famous for bringing home federal earmarks for Alaska when he was Appropriations Committee chairman, was not previously known to be linked to the Justice Department's probe, which has uncovered evidence that more than $400,000 worth of bribes were given to state lawmakers in exchange for favorable energy legislation.

Investigators have used secret recording equipment, seized documents and cooperating witnesses to secure the indictments of four current and former state lawmakers, including the former state House speaker, shaking the core of Alaska's Republican Party.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON -- Several Republican senators Tuesday called for President Bush to implement a new war strategy based on recommendations by the Iraq Study Group, which advocated winding down the U.S. combat mission.

The message that must be sent to the president is, "Let's see if we can agree on an entire approach so you can have the kind of support you need," he said.

Alexander and Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo., introduced legislation that would make most of the study group's 79 recommendations official U.S. policy. At least six other senators, including three Republicans, signed on as co-sponsors.

The proposal indicates mounting frustration in Congress with the politically unpopular war as lawmakers head into the 2008 elections.

The study group released its recommendations six months ago, only to receive a tepid response from the White House and Congress alike. Now, several new Republicans have stepped forward to endorse it, including two Bush loyalists close to GOP leadership, Sens. Robert Bennett of Utah and Judd Gregg of New Hampshire.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, CC -- I really can't watch the man without laughing. What a clown! What a phony! Slick Mitty--what will he flipflop on today? He was for abortion before he was against it! Does anyone have any idea what he really thinks? Only the members of the Mormon hierarchy really know -- and they aren't telling. They never do.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

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