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Republicans Quickly Pounce on Obama Remarks

UPDATE, 9:30 p.m.: Tonight during an appearance in Terre Haute, Indiana, Sen. Barack Obama directly addressed the growing controversy surrounding remarks he made about Pennsylvania voters.

"I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how're you going to get votes in Pennsylvania," Obama said. "'What's going on there? We hear that it's hard for some working class people to get behind your campaign.' I said, 'Well look, they're frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they've seen jobs shipped overseas. They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their health care.'"

Here's the full clip as provided by his campaign:

The Clinton campaign responded within moments. "Instead of apologizing for offending small town America, Senator Obama chose to repeat and embrace the comments he made earlier this week," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "It's unfortunate that Senator Obama didn't say he was sorry for what he said."

McCain's campaign, too, chimed in on Obama's explanation. "Instead of apologizing to small town Americans for dismissing their values, Barack Obama arrogantly tried to spin his way out of his outrageous San Francisco remarks," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. "Barack Obama thinks he knows your hopes and fears better than you do. You can't be more out of touch than that."

ORIGINAL POST

If Democrats are wondering what awaits Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) this fall if he becomes the party's presidential nominee, the events of the past few hours should serve as something of a guide.

Early this afternoon, The Huffington Post turned up audio from an Obama fundraiser in San Francisco in which the Illinois senator offered this take on Pennsylvania voters:

"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Within moments, Republicans had pounced. Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign told Politico's Jonathan Martin that Obama's comment revealed "an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking." Schmidt added: "It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans."

Within hours, the National Republican Congressional Committee had issued a release pushing Rep. Chris Carney -- a vulnerable freshman Democrat from Pennsylvania -- to condemn Obama's remarks.

"It's time for Congressman Chris Carney to step up and denounce Barack Obama's condescending attitude about families who live in small towns and who hold a viewpoint other than Obama's," said NRCC spokesman Ken Spain.

And, then, of course, came the inevitable Obama response -- condemning the condemnation. "Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities," said spokesman Tommy Vietor. "And if John McCain wants a debate about who's out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent."

The whirlwind pace from revelation to recrimination to rebuttal reveals just what Obama must be ready for if he becomes the Democratic nominee.

Republicans are certain to use comments like this one to paint Obama as an out-of-step liberal beholden to the wants and needs of voters on the two coasts. It's a blueprint Republicans followed to perfection during the 2004 campaign against Sen. John Kerry -- effectively portraying the Massachusetts senator as an elitist without interest in or regard for the average voter in fly-over country.

Obama's roots in Illinois and strength among independent voters -- at least in the primary process to date -- make him more difficult to label. But that doesn't mean Republicans won't try.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 11, 2008; 9:30 PM ET
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I am not from a small town, but I am from
Cleveland where we have lost plenty of jobs to Mexico, China, India and who know's where else and I have to say I am very bitter that those who have money decided that taking the working class jobs in this country away to fatten their pockets and to stir the economies of other nations. I don't appreciate the empty factories or any of the other signs of outsourcing that I see. Obama made true statements, whether anyone agrees with them or not, and I'm sure he did not mean to offend anyone.

Posted by: SportsFan | April 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I come from a small town with family in rural Arkansas and they ARE pretty much fundamentalist gun-loving people with little fondness for people who aren't like them.

This is something the Obama opponents were waiting for. The moment this tape came out I could hear them:a

"WE GUNNA GIT 'IM! WE GUNNA GIT 'IM GEWD!"

Posted by: Nobody | April 15, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

I have read the phrase"Vote against their own best interest" on this thread several times.
Here's a news flash- Nobody votes against self interest. They have different interests than you.

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better to go to heaven maimed than to hell with two hands."

The inability to see "good" in any ideas but your own is what makes you elitist.

Posted by: Ken | April 14, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

From the article, "Republicans are certain to use comments like this one to paint Obama as an out-of-step liberal beholden to the wants and needs of voters on the two coasts."

I love this. The Republicans are 'painting' him to be elitist. Not pointing out a characterization using OBAMA'S OWN WORDS AS PROOF. They're 'painting' him as one. Mr. Cillizza, its hardly paint when a candidate's own words are being quoted back to him, with full context and no distortion.

Posted by: Schmoe | April 14, 2008 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Arugula anyone?

Thanks, SnObama! Just what I needed needed on my cheese steak. Now, back to cleaning my gun and opiating myself with Jesus.

Posted by: Carol in PA | April 14, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

It is hard to believe that people with any common sense resent Senator Obama's comments about the unhappiness of Americans living in the shambles in which the Republican administration is leaving our country. He spoke the truth, which is often a hard pill to swallow. I for one am also frustrated and embittered, and he is the only of the three candidates still running who I think has the wisdom and determination to honestly confront and
seek solutions to our problems. As for Mr.McCain's illogical twist on Mr. Obama's words as outrageously implying that our country was founded on frustration and bitterness, you might say that in a way he is right: the colonists were so frustrated and embittered by their treatment at the hands of the British that they revolted and eventually produced our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and our country. Also you have to admit that their leaders, Washington, Jefferson, and all, would be described as "elitists".
And, McCain, with his family background, and Clinton a Yale Law graduate and Rhodes Scholar, and Obama,a Harvard graduate, seem to be equally "elitist".

Posted by: Barbara Kerr | April 13, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

And with that said about this make-hay-because-we-got-nothing issue, Obama should apologize when every right ring pundit apologizes after slamming major cities across this country. Oh, they're not real Americans. Some have even said certain cities DESERVE to get hit by terrorists because of some perceived political affiliation of their populace. Hey, those people care about their jobs, families, and religions as much as those who live in small towns. When y'all enjoying the talk of folks and pundits slamming big cities, some even yukking on the potential deaths of Americans because they might vote one way or another because they "brought it on themselves," when YOU get offended at that THEN you can cry elitism or some other idiodic thing about Obama or anyone else.
Regionalism is childish, period. Last I heard Boston, San Fran, NY and Cleveland are part of America just as those in the offensively named "flyover country."
Of course, this would be a 1-1 need for apology (and I doubt those right-wingers who exploit some city/rural animosity would apologize anyway) if Obama wasn't right about slamming those issues that distract and make folks vote against their best interests.

Posted by: RppPolyp | April 13, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I read a lot of the posts today, and from what I read, the majority of people think osama told just what he thinks about the average white person. Some mentioned that the small towns had lost jobs, and someone promised them they would get them back. What fools. Don't people know that it is not the Gov. job to make jobs. The private sector does that, and very well. Another thing that small town people are gripping about is the businesses closing. I'll bet most of these towns have gotten a Walmart Store in their town or in one close by.Then all the people started trading at Wal Mart, and all the mom and pop stores had to close. Osama is not going to bring those back. In fact, I doubt he will creat one single job. He talks a good game, but he strikes out ever time he opens his big mouth. All you osama lovers should reappraise you thoughts, and take a good look at what you are about to do. If you want to be like Cuba, elect the man. We will try to elect enough in congress, so we can put a stop to his socialist ways.

Posted by: elmerck1 | April 13, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I like guns, I hunt...neither of those realities exist because I am a bitter out of work white male. I believe in God, have believed in God for a LONG TIME, my belief was not created out of, or found in my bitterness. There are so many things WRONG with what Obama said, but the pundits are trying to protect their dream candidate when in reality, it is time for Obama to step down.

Take his comments about blue collar folks, and blend them with his position on Illegal Aliens and you begin to realize just how out of touch with the average American Barack Obama is...average Americans do not support Amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for Illegal Aliens, but Obama does. Most Americans do not embrace Social Services and Social Security benefits for illegals, but Obama does. Most middle and lower class Americans are bitter at Federal Governments refusal to ENFORCE OUR LAWS, to deport those here illegally, and to take criminal action against those who employ illegals...guess what, Obama is a part of that Federal Government that refuses to address this issue, to put and end to illegal immigration that is depressing our wages...let's not confuse being ANGRY at reality on the ground with some deep seated bitterness.

This is not the first time Obama has shown his true colors, it is just the first time he has exposed himself in a way where SUPER LIBERALS cannot HIDE HIS GAFFE. His career should be over, and the super liberals instead of defending him, should let him impale himself on his own elitist saber.

Posted by: Sherwood M. | April 13, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I am glad that the fake outrage generated from posh offices of the RNC in DC got this rolling has gotten so much outrage from "Middle America." Happy that people are falling for it yet again when well off politicos making a killing during the election season tell you what to be outraged for and who's an elitist or not. You know what's an real outrage, I watched my home state of Ohio fall into serious economic disrepair through the past 8 years and what did the RNC or the DNC offer the state in 2004? Did the RNC talk about the economy and how they installed policies to help move business out of the state, did they talk about the war killing so many Ohio sons and daughters? Oh hell no, they offered a gay marriage initiative (which screwed non-married heterosexual couples too kids.) They don't want to even try to tackle REAL problems. So to the politicos telling us to be outraged at these CORRECT comments, who is the elitist: the one who calls you on your game or you who tells Middle America when sitting at our kitchen tables what we should be worried about?

Posted by: RppPolyp | April 13, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

love the old "gotcha!" politics!

When asked why "working class" Pennsylvanians (meaning WHITE working class Pennsylvanians) are not getting behind his campaign in bigger numbers, Obama dismissed the idea that "The white guy won't vote for the black guy".

Instead he tried to articulate why he believes that white working class Pennsylvanians would vote against their own economic interests. It is their "bitterness" he stated that allows them to fall prey to the politics of fear; the politics which turns them into "issue" voters, be it guns, gays, patriotism, religion etc.

He was wrong. He gave the white Pennsylvania working class the benefit of the doubt.

He simply should have quoted Ed Rendel :

"You've got conservative whites here ... who are not ready to vote for an African American candidate."

That's the truth, plain and simple. Rendel knows it. Obama either doesn't or won't say it. The Pennsylvania white working class doesn't need an excuse not to vote for him.

Now or course we have the Hillary bandwagon calling Obama an "elitist". We've certainly come a long way in race relations when the BLACK guy named Barack Obama can be cast as the establishment liberal elitist while the former President and his Senator wife, who earned in excess of $100 million dollars in the past 7 years, now cast themselves as "regular folk".

How sad our politics has become.

Posted by: frank s; spring hill fl. | April 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

What is all the uproar about? Has anyone LISTENED to Obama's comments? I, living in Pennsylvania, and watching the blue and then white collar decent jobs be exported to India and China over the last 30 years, with nothing but "talk, talk, talk" from politicians promising better new jobs that have not shown up, politicians from BOTH parties- am disillusioned and, yes, even bitter and believe Washington is not unable but unwilling to end their gravy train.
I am not offended by these comments, and anyone who is does not know what is going on in formerly blue-collar America. Billary and McCain's taking offense on my behalf when neither of them seems to have one freakin' clue of what's going on and how people feel is what's offensive to me. They are both, as are most Washington politicos, so far out of touch voting for any of them and expecting change is insanity.
Great quote from Joker in Batman movie (slightly misquoted): "What Washington needs is a good enema". After that we can order 2 more up for the RNC and DNC as well.
All that said, Obama is still an elitist with strong socialist tendencies. But he talks a good game, while the others are talking gibberish. But I won't vote for him. He is untrustworthy and his associations are suspect.
Now what DOES offend me is our 'free media' who is unwilling to cover the 2nd Republican candidate- Ron Paul. How can his campaign not be covered? More importantly, why? He is still running and is the true candidate for change- back to the course set by the Founding Fathers and the Constitution. One would think that the media would have a vested interest in reporting on the one candidate whose core belief is the return to the document that guarantees the freedom of the press- but no, they totally ignore him.
So the question becomes who to vote for in an election with no viable candidates?

Posted by: RummyCondeBushfeld | April 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

To A de la Torre and your post:

I am from a family of immigrants... most people here in PA have no problem with immigrants. It is the illegality of few immigrants. Most PA love the ethnic diversity...

Religion sought as refuge. <--- That is ridiculous. The belief in God and the practice of religion is not sought only in times of refuge. It is a fundamental fiber for those that know God.

And about your statement for a semi or automatic rifle to go hunting? What is that suppose to mean? Now you are saying that PA hunters hunt with semi and automatic rifles?

You have me lost... If this was your attempt at clarifying what Obama really meant to say.. you are not helping him any. And you seem to be an elitist and out of touch yourself.


Posted by: Bella Bella | April 13, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I have to say Ed that was a GREAT POST. Your post should put it in perspective atleast I hope so. But they are die-hard Obama supporters - who won't conscede that what he stated was hurtful. To the Die Hards.. there is no defense for his statement. Obama and die hard Obama supporters keep going around the issue about the word "Bitter" and personal economics... but most will not address the gun and religion statement.. because you are to busy trying to spin his statement into something else.

Posted by: Bella Bella | April 13, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

The keyword here is "pounced." The Clinton and Bush Dynasty surrogates AND Hillary herself practice a predatory politics that eats up the American people to enrich the dynastic families and their oligarchic and coporate henchmen. Bill lies about Hillary's sniper fire lies, Hillary lies about their dynastic multimillions, NAFTA, free trade, etc, and the media let them scoot free as "mis-speakers." Senator Obama finds it difficult to pander and refuses to attack Hillary on her lies. He is attacked for being an elite. Please give the American people a break. Here is a man who grew up the biracial son of a single teenage mother, raised by struggling middle-class grandparents, who excelled in law school on scholarship and loans. He comes from us, from the US, and from the common folk--a son of the peple, for the people and by the people. If the citizens of Pennsylvania permit the Clinton dynasty machine to manipulate our beloved democracy yet again and to return to the White House for an unconstituional eight more years, then truly we will find ourselves globally falling down the down staircase. The eyes of the world are watching us. Dear Pennsylvania, turn the page and say no to Hillary's tear-down campaign of personal destruction.

Posted by: lyn | April 13, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Having read the post. It doesn't appear elitist, at least to me. Granted, it could have been worded better.

But I believe there is a lot of bitterness in these rural areas as a result of trade policies that have driven jobs away.

Immigrants are treated as scapegoats.

Religion is sought for as refuge, and occasionally misused to influence people.

As far a guns, I'm just not a fan of guns. Although if someone wants one, thats their choice. However, I don't see the need for a semi or automatic rifle to go hunting.

Posted by: A de la Torre | April 13, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm perplexed that many commenters here don't understand why Midwesterners would feel insulted by Sen Obama's statements. This may help put it in perspective

"You go into some of these large cities in California, and like a lot of large cities on the West Coast, real estate values have plummetted. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to gay sex or atheism or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-American sentiment or pro-abortion sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Posted by: Ed | April 13, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

To those that keep referencing money as the only contributor as being an elitist. Please understand the word first. Do not chide Hillary or McCain just because they may have some money... I do not care that Obama has less or even more money.

I consider Obama an elitist because he is always saying I know more about this... I know what is wrong with PA .. I know what is wrong with MI... He speaks before he listens... and he was with a bunch of obscenely rich folk in San Fran... He did not care to talk to us wee folk in PA...
You can be an elitist without a dime.

I don't care if you have a lot of dough or not a penny.. I like those that roll up their sleeves and going to get 'er done with the rich the poor and most definately the in between. But don't be sneaking around and going psst -- PA people are bitter and that is why they cling to their religion and guns.. that is why they are intolerant to immigrants blah blah blah. That is what was elitist .... that is what was snobbery...

By the way it was Huffington Post that broke the story... not CNN. And the reason that the story has wheels .. is that most Pennsylvanians are flabergasted.

Definition of Elitist:
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

1. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
2. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.


Thesaurus: elitist
adjective

Characteristic of or resembling a snob: snobbish, snobby. Informal high-hat, snooty, stuck-up, uppish, uppity. See attitude/good attitude/bad attitude/neutral attitude, self-love/modesty.

noun

One who despises people or things regarded as inferior, especially because of social or intellectual pretension: snob. Informal snoot. See attitude/good attitude/bad attitude/neutral attitude, self-love/modesty.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I just can't believe that there's so many "little people" here.
That's the only explanation that I can come up with on why Obama's ELITIST statement is going over so many heads.
It's NOT about bitterness.
We ALL agree that the loss of Millions of jobs, massive influx of Illegal Aliens, Dollar devalued, China owns our as**s, etc, has everyone P.O'd at the Government. This is news?
The problem with his statement is that he has accused ALL rural Americans of being gun totin', bible thumpin' xenophobic, bigoted, radical, trailer trash.
And said it to a $2500.00 a plate, Millionaire crowd, fund raiser to show them he's as good as they are, and better than us.
And if you don't understand this, then YOU'RE the Elitist.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama has spent two days in a row stuttering out the "REAL" meaning of his stupid gun totin, bible thumpin', xenophobic, bigoted rural Americans statement.
Two days, This is a show of his weakness and insincerity of the retraction.
He might as well had just lifted his chin and presented his jugular. If Hillary doesn't tear it out, the GOP will in November.
What a buffoon!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Every second of this election cycle makes it clearer and clearer to me. America took a giant step closer to losing it's revered place in the world the moment people like Karl Rove stepped into the politcal scene.

This nonsense continues and voters still ignorantly believe the real elitist (Bush, McCain, Clinton) who pretend to understand the plight of working America in this 21st century but actually have zero clue. If we don't draw a line to wiping out this nonsense that's polluting our way of life we will, for sure, lose any grounds left in our standing in the world. What the world thinks affects us as we have to interact to maintain our security.

Voters need to understand everything rests on them. It's too bad that the ones who make the questionable choices that leave us in such mess refuse to do their homeworks thoroughly by relying on snippets from certain news stations. I'm still shaking my head because I do my homework get my facts straight but I still end up being put in such a bad condition from the bad choices made by others. This is so sad. I feel so helpless and damned for doing my part as best as possible. I feel damned for the media (mostly the cnn's) and pundits who betray us too often with their bogus analysis. Why can't they do true journalism and report it as it is not as they want viewers to think it is? What do they think they are to tell us how we should think? Report the damned facts and let people judge it themselves.

Posted by: Nancy | April 13, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

After reading this I know why the left wing water carrier Cillizza appears regularly on MSNBC. Hey Chris, time to clean you blue dress.

Posted by: Greg | April 12, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Who hates the United States of America the most: Jeremiah Wright, Michelle Obama or Barack Obama?

Posted by: Tom | April 12, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I have to laugh when muli millionairs like the Clintons and Dan Quayle call people
elitist.

First millions of working class people have voted for Obama, so obviously they don't think he is elitist. He's outperformed Hillary in rurual states so they don't think Obama is an elitist.
He has a history of helping working people who lost jobs due to outsourcing find work.
Meanwhile the Clintons have made money exporting jobs to India and other countries.

Ed Rendell said some Whites won't vote for Obama because he's Black. Is it Ed Rendell right. Now imagine the outcry of Obama said the same thing.

No question some people vote against their own economic interest because of one issue.

Bush knew that he could attract some voters
when he proposed a Constitutional ban against gay marriage prior to the 2004 election. Once the elections was over nary a peep on the subject


Posted by: Mr. Unite Us | April 12, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama's comments were made to a group of wealthy San Francisco donors
in response to a question about why he was behind in the polls in Pennsylvania. The tone of his entire response is condescending and offensive--not simply the final two sentences. In his response--which can be heard at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html--
Senator Obama again raises the race card and suggests that the people of Pennsylvania don't respond to his message because it's brought to them by a black man. The audience begins laughing and as the laughter continues, he adds more disparaging comments about small town Americans.

Rather than taking a positive approach about his campaign strategies, Mr. Obama grouped together all people who prefer another candidate as bitter, ignorant and cynical. He played to possible biases that his wealthy San Francisco donors might have about the working class. The fact that informed voters may be making an educated decision to vote for HRC is lost on him and makes him seem arrogant and out of touch. There is no excuse for any politician to tap into stereotypes or to make disparaging statements about poor, rural, white America. Senator Obama's words were extremely divisive and do not reflect the attitude of someone who could unite our country.

Some people want to read into his statement an attempt to be honest and shed light on the reality of rural PA, but he made his comments in a mansion in SF where the audience laughed when he joked about the reaction of small town American voters to a black politician. His link between guns, religion, and xenophobia to explain why he's losing the vote was disappointing and delegitimizes how people make decisions and live their lives in rural America. I think the energy of his campaign is great, but it seriously concerns me that he and his supporters are oblivious to how ugly and hurtful his comments were. If he is to bring us together--to unify us--he must give the people in small town Pennsylvania the same respect as his wealthy donors in San Francisco.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama's comments were made to a group of wealthy San Francisco donors
in response to a question about why he was behind in the polls in Pennsylvania. The tone of his entire response is condescending and offensive--not simply the final two sentences. In his response--which can be heard at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html--
Senator Obama again raises the race card and suggests that the people of Pennsylvania don't respond to his message because it's brought to them by a black man. The audience begins laughing and as the laughter continues, he adds more disparaging comments about small town Americans.

Rather than taking a positive approach about his campaign strategies, Mr. Obama grouped together all people who prefer another candidate as bitter, ignorant and cynical. He played to possible biases that his wealthy San Francisco donors might have about the working class. The fact that informed voters may be making an educated decision to vote for HRC is lost on him and makes him seem arrogant and out of touch. There is no excuse for any politician to tap into stereotypes or to make disparaging statements about poor, rural, white America. Senator Obama's words were extremely divisive and do not reflect the attitude of someone who could unite our country.

Some people want to read into his statement an attempt to be honest and shed light on the reality of rural PA, but he made his comments in a mansion in SF where the audience laughed when he joked about the reaction of small town American voters to a black politician. His link between guns, religion, and xenophobia to explain why he's losing the vote was disappointing and delegitimizes how people make decisions and live their lives in rural America. I think the energy of his campaign is great, but it seriously concerns me that he and his supporters are oblivious to how ugly and hurtful his comments were. If he is to bring us together--to unify us--he must give the people in small town Pennsylvania the same respect as his wealthy donors in San Francisco.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight: Obama is "elitist" to suggest that people who've had their good-paying jobs snatched away and now put $4-a-gallon gas into their cars to deliver pizza are feeling bitter and frustrated? Every time I think that Clinton, McCain, and their pals in the media can't rise to a higher level of hypocrisy, they succeed in proving me wrong. Obama is right on target when he points out that many working people have given up on the idea that the government is going to do anything to protect their jobs or help improve their economic situation. So it makes sense that they at least try to make their voices heard on guns, and religious and social issues. Eliitism has nothing to do with that argument. It amazes me that the Clintons, with their $100 million payday, and McCain, with his beer heiress wife and lobbyist buddies, would have the gaul to accuse Obama of being an elitist.

Posted by: Mark Williams | April 12, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I simply don't see what the issue is here. I'm not an Obama supporter (yet), but I don't see how his comments were condescending at all. It seems that his take on what's happening with America is pretty accurate. The only thing the he should have added is the scarier notion beyond small town America voting social rather than economic issues: That people get so frustrated THEY STOP VOTING PERIOD.

Posted by: Eric | April 12, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama says it and you blame Republicans for it.

Brilliant

Posted by: Ken Berwitz | April 12, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people." That was Barry-O's real mentor, Karl Marx.

In the Obama and Clinton future, The state is god and all are to serve it.

Posted by: Ken | April 12, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Distract. Distort. Divide. This is what the anti-Obama crowd here is good at. Solving the problems of small town Pennsylvanians and every-town Americans isn't on their agenda.

Posted by: rippermccord |
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I don't believe these comments were solution to every-town Americans. Hope and change are the only solutions I've heard from him. When he over orates and gets himself in trouble he always goes back to hope and change.

What does that mean? I've been voting since 1956 and every candidate I've ever heard promises hope and change, but it never does except for Bush JR. Boy, did we get change, but not much hope. My bet is that it will be the same with Obama.

Posted by: Chief | April 12, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

1. I have lived in small towns all my life. So many people here claim that people living in them are bitter. That's not my experience. Quite the contrary. Most of the people I know are quite happy, even though they generally have less material wealth than my urban friends. They will do anything for you--almost too much. (But I sure do feel the bitterness coming from the folks here; I suspect that's projection, or anger over repeated political losses, or something)

2. Bitterness is a terrible campaign strategy. Where is Barack's message of hope? I don't know a presidential candidate who has ever won by fanning the flames of resentment and bitterness. Good luck with that one. Another four years on the outside looking into the White House.

3. Chris needs to get out of the Beltway more often, too. Republicans didn't force Barack to make this stupid comment. Nor did they force Chris to write his dumb analysis.

Posted by: Dad | April 12, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it---Obama is a racist.

Posted by: Rich | April 12, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I saw you on Fox earlier today having a vapid conversation about this total non-issue with some other self-congratulatory faux journalist scumbags. Thank you, Mr. Cillizza, for buying into yet another stupid distortion.

Posted by: ph | April 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Addition to my last post.

Marjon -- I think you meant "loser" not "looser." But what do I know.. I am just a stupid Pennsylvanian.

Posted by: Bella Bella | April 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Marjon Quote "I did not know that pensylvania voters where so stupid and can not speak for themselves...they need looser Clinton and grandpa McCain to feed them words. Pls. do not make me laugh!"

Marjon.. I do not know what you are trying to say. You certainly cannot be from Pennsylvania because you cannot spell the state. Try spell check or the phone book.. and watch who you are hinting at being stupid.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I got to laugh.. that it takes scores of you to tell me what Obama said. It is like he needs an interpreters even though we are all speaking English. If he is elected President and has to visit foreign countries... he will not only need a translator.. but he will need a context translator. It's bad enough that things are lost in translation...

Maybe a few of us here can have a new career and a job in "What Obama Really Meant when he insulted you" when he speaks to those Foreign Leaders. Because Obama will not only need a translator in a language .. but will need a "oh it was out of context" translator. And if all of you don't get the Barack assignment... there is still more openings in the "Michelle" assignment.

--- I just wanted to add !!! ---
Then maybe those Obama supporters that are bitter ... will all have a job. You will have enough work to last you. Kudos..

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I did not know that pensylvania voters where so stupid and can not speak for themselves...they need looser Clinton and grandpa McCain to feed them words. Pls. do not make me laugh!

Posted by: Marjon | April 12, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama must be embittered to
cling to his racist church all these years.

Posted by: Mike 46 | April 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama made these remarks at a San Francisco Oil Billionaire's Mansion during a private Fund raiser in Pacific Heights CA.. Why no to the people in smalltown? Yeah, that was helpful... Probably Sipping Champagne and eating Prime Rib.

Posted by: Bella Bella | April 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

We are from small town America - we are the people you are talking about, the people you say are leading "bitter" lives. Well, Senator Obama, nothing could be further from the truth. Here in small town America we lead productive lives full of belief in God and country. We live in communities where we go to church because we are hopeful, not because we are bitter. We believe that our passion for fair trade is born out of the principle of fair play, not frustration. We believe that the future of our country is bright and reflected every day in the stars and stripes of our country's flag.
We need a leader who will stand up for small town people and all Americans. Someone who understands that we are a resilient and hopeful people who are proud of our values and our communities. That, Senator Obama, is apparently not you.

Posted by: Nick DeForest | April 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The issue is not that he said people are bitter. The issue is that he said that their bitterness is what leads them to religion, guns and antipathy. This is huge. It shows the utter arrogance of a man who thinks he knows why people choose their belief systems and implies that it is rooted in negativity. Wow! And this coming from someone who sat and listened to Jeremiah Wright for twenty years. What gall. And he is unelectable in November. Wake up Democrats.
Same old chorus from Obama's silly supporters--"What did he say that was wrong. Why are people picking on my ill-equipped little clueless neophyte." This isn't a fan club for the cutest candidate people. We're electing a Democratic candidate who can win in November. It is not Barack Obama.

Posted by: Ivan Douglas | April 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I got to laugh.. that it takes scores of you to tell me what Obama said. It is like he needs an interpreters even though we are all speaking English. If he is elected President and has to visit foreign countries... he will not only need a translator.. but he will need a context translator. It's bad enough that things are lost in translation...

Maybe a few of us here can have a new career and a job in "What Obama Really Meant when he insulted you" when he speaks to those Foreign Leaders. Because Obama will not only need a translator in a language .. but will need a "oh it was out of context" translator. And if all of you don't get the Barack assignment... there is still more openings in the "Michelle" assignment.


Posted by: Bella Bella | April 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

FUH QUE, iowatrasures

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

JanD wrote:

Do you hear that noise Democratic left wingers? Its the sound of republicans chewing up Obama and getting ready to spit. The last couple of days is just a TASTE of what to expect in the general IF he's nominated. ONLY CLINTON CAN BEAT THE republicans IN THE GENERAL ELECTION!!!
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B*llsh*t. Hillary was the first to make a big deal of this non-issue. It's fine to argue that your candidate benefits from her lies about Obama, but the country won't benefit from Hillary in the White House. Not unless you consider listening to Hillary continually lying a "benefit."

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Shame on Hillary Clinton. Shame on McCain. And shame on the infotainment media.

What did Obama say that was so wrong?

Here's his words:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

On NBC's Today program, Lester Holt ran a report from correspondent Lee Cowan, who quoted only the part of Obama's remarks from "they cling" to "anti-trade sentiment." Holt, unable to resist referencing "Rev. Wright," then asked guest Howard Fineman of Newsweek if Obama would spin the remarks from negative to positive. Fineman called Obama an "elitist" and a "brilliant rhetorical tactician" in his pronounced bashing of Obama.

Screw Hillary. Screw McCain. And screw the media and the minions of hell represented here who can't take Obama at HIS word but have to use THEIR words to replace his honest and accurate context.

Here in Missouri, many people DO cling to guns, religion and and antipathy to minorities and trade -- in the same way and for the same reasons Obama was talking about Pennsylvanians.

In the last four years, Missourians have gone to the polls to vote on a ban on gay marriage (religion), a concealed carry law (guns) and anti-minority measures like the one the GOP and white construction companies want on the November ballot, an anti-affirmative action measure deceptively titled "The Missouri Civil Rights Initiative."

Hell yes, red meat issues bring out conservative GOP voters. That's why Republicans always feel compelled to split hairs and make voters take sides about the number of angels that can dance on pinheads at election time.

Distract. Distort. Divide. This is what the anti-Obama crowd here is good at. Solving the problems of small town Pennsylvanians and every-town Americans isn't on their agenda.

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Here is the truth for interested and responsible voters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs

responsible journalists back Obama

Posted by: lettie1 | April 12, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

To typical White person...you are.

Posted by: kdee | April 12, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Coming from a small community where I do hear people say they want their towns to have English-speaking people only, or hearing them blame others because there are people who come here to give themselves along with their families a better life. Many do turn to religion to try and ease their sorrows. Instead of being judgmental, lets find out what small towns he is speaking of and who are in them. Don't through this out of context and say he was calling all blue-collar workers gun holders or prejudice, lets look at the meaning of the comment. If you have lost your job to someone overseas because they are paid $600 a month, or if your pension has been taken away from you after working 35 years, wouldn't you be a little mad? Haven't you heard of people going 'postal"? Well they hold guns. Obama is not saying everyone who is a blue-collar worker or everyone who lives in a small town is holding a gun. He is saying, with what is going on with the economy now, it's no wonder people are reaching out to different means to relive their frustration, such as church. At least he is not a liar. It's also very unfortunate that people have to continue to use his middle name, I think we all know it now.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Do you hear that noise Democratic left wingers? Its the sound of republicans chewing up Obama and getting ready to spit. The last couple of days is just a TASTE of what to expect in the general IF he's nominated. ONLY CLINTON CAN BEAT THE republicans IN THE GENERAL ELECTION!!!

Posted by: JanD | April 12, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is clear: there are those people who are bitter - who have been slammed by these free trade agreements and who have been betrayed by our politicians.

Time and time again.


Then there are people who have been pushed by affirmative action programs - given college admissions when their scores were lower than others - pushed to fill quotas when there were better qualified candidates out there who did not have the correct color of skin -


To those who have been betrayed:

Those people who have received those benefits - who have Ivy League degrees whether they deserved to go or not based on merit - those people want to say to you: Don't be bitter, you still have your guns and religion.

Is he an Atheist?


Posted by: Typical White Person | April 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Democrat for 27 years born and raised in the great state of Pennsylvania and rural PA, raised on a dairy farm. We have all of the issues here and yes, we have bitter American's!! But I have to say, Pennsylvania isn't alone in the "bitter department".

Posted by: Luanne | April 12, 2008 10:47 AM

Wow, a whiney Democrat, blaming others for their troubles.

I'm shocked (shocked I tell you!)

Posted by: JD | April 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Someone thought I sounded bitter. No I am not bitter. PA as the rest of the US is going through a metamorphisis. In the 80's the computer age came to be .. then internet etc. Jobs come and jobs go. I keep hearing everyone say how eloquent Obama speaks. I am not upset with him saying some Pennsylvanians are disheartened... if that is what he said. But he stated to paraphrase that we cling to our guns and bibles ... also painted us as intolerant people.

I have read the postings from those that live within and outside of PA.

I have changed occupation just like everyone else. Yes the Steel Mills have moved out .. and the Coal Mines. But I am disgusted by the hypocrisy of some people. Let me ask... does it not burn you up that Michigan is a lot like PA with losing many jobs and occupations... WHY? Well look down the road... people driving foreign imports. Why its cheaper! No one deserves to lose his or her job if they work hard... but it happens.. you adapt and change. Yes it makes you sad... but life is change. There are beautiful homes in PA.. it is beautiful here today... People are just like everywhere else. Big hearts... hard workers...

I think that some of you are missing the point. Obama was not speaking to us... He was speaking to San Fran in a closed room. He painted us all the same way...

Right now if Obama tried to shake my hand.. I would say duh sorry... I have a gun in my left hand and a bible in my right..

I have a great job that I started in a new industry apx 1 year ago. Something that I have never done before. I love my job. My home is too small but I live within my means. Do I blame our government .. hmmm .. not really. Times change.. Chinese rode bikes and walked most times.. now they are driving cars... Russians used to stand in line to get rationed products... Sometimes things just have to balance out. If anyone thinks that the government is the answer to it all.. they are kidding themselves. When the going gets tough the tough gets going.

So stop whining and do what you can to bring jobs back to the United States.. because the last time I went through your house everything read made in China and you were washing your foreign import. So don't blame the government on everything .. look in the mirror and stop it ..

I take ownership in my life. I work hard .. and if I lose my job.. then I will do something else. How would Obama save our jobs... or bring Western PA jobs back.. do you really want to work for in the textiles and mining.. hell lets go back to steam .. or even further back to making fire and wheels. Most of you sound like constant complainers with no love in your life. Sound like a bunch of people with entitlement and welfare wishes. Get off your butt and support your local businessman.. and skip going to X-Mart and buying made in China. That is where your jobs went. I did not support NAFTA when it came to be in the 90's ... I worked in manufacturing and we signed a petition to stop it... but it came to be... and I do understand the good in free trade but I also understood the not so good.. everything is not always black and white. NAFTA is one of those Grey areas.. there is good and bad in it. But we try to tweek it until it works.

Obama wants to be a uniter... hmmpf.... he is too busy putting labels on people. Classifying his mother.. his preacher...
PA... this that and the other thing... He uses Guns and God like they were bad words... but condemns someone if they classify Rev. Wright etc. Interesting. Oh he speaks well and dazzles... SO WHAT!

Work is work. Life is life.. and I plan to constantly move to make my life and my fellow Americans lives better. Instead of sitting around and crying because the government has not spoon fed me.

So right now I am going to wash my car.. and garden.. because that is what some people in PA are doing ..

Posted by: Bella Bella | April 12, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in Michigan. All of the manufacturing jobs have disappeared while corporate CEOS become multi-millionaires. There are a lot of bitter people in the Rust Belt. And no one is willing to speak up for them.

I wonder when McCain or Clinton last shopped for groceries or went to the gas station?

Posted by: homer | April 12, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

It's true that guns, religion, anti-trade and anti-immigrant issues are seen as Republican issues, but only because the GOP has used the most extreme leftists as poster children in its long campaign of spreading fear of Democrats. Most Democrats also believe in God, go to church, agree with a personal right to bear arms, are troubled by unfair trade and don't like illegal immigration.

But you'd never know it from the GOP, whose leaders like to set up hair-splitting arguments that demonize scapegoats and do nothing to solve problems.

Posted by: rippermccord | April 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Thank God we have Hillary Clinton (net worth $110 million) and John McCain (net worth $250 million, condo in Aspen & 7 other vacation homes, private jet, etc) to stand up for the little guy against Obama the elitist.

Posted by: OD | April 12, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Where is the put down of small town America? The point was clearly made by Obama that small town American deserves to be heard but Washington doesn't listen.

This sort of political exploitation by distortion is another indication that in the communication centered age we are manipulated to vote more and more on personality not competence or issues.

Posted by: Walter Casey | April 12, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

man, I've watched that speech now over and over...it's so freaking brilliant!

Geez, Obama!

Hillary, you've already lost, and McCain, get ready....you don't have a chance

Man, Obama; what a amazing guy...this speech is a classic !

Hope it becomes his next tv ad

Posted by: Chris | April 12, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I agree with CNN's Toobin,Borger and Cafferty.

If CNN is saying this, who isn't?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/11/235050/410/205/494075.

Posted by: JDS | April 12, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Barack Obama for having the courage to say what is really going on in Pennsylvania. I find it refreshing, being a resident of the great state of Pennsylvania, and living and working around the people in rural Northwestern Pennsylvania, I hear it all the time that Barack is willing to speak the truth. He recognizes the fact that American's are bitter, it's not just Pennsylvania, but we certainly have a large share of them right here!!

So why can't Hillary "get it"!! Barack is not downing Pennsylvania AT ALL!! He's helping us to cry out for help and he is RIGHT!! Barack is our voice in Washington!! I hear these people with their bitterness all the time and I'm right there along with them. Basically, the opinion of rural Pennsylvania is that with all the factories either being shut down or bought out by foreign countries, ie Canada and China come to mind quickly, and Walmart and the way they treat their people and the outsourcing which all of these big companies have been doing, taking jobs away. I even told my staunch pro-Hillary democrat mother this morning, at the age of 76, she is bitter and she said NO and I said, but Mom, you ARE bitter!! She said, well, there's nothing we can do about it, the way everything has "gone to hell in a handbasket"!!! I said, but you're still bitter!! But she's also, all about Hillary and I say "so be it"!! Pennsylvanian's when they have their mind made up about something they are tough nuts to crack, but they're still bitter as hell and I don't blame them, because I'm bitter too, but I also believe that Barack Obama is the man for the job. I appreciate the fact that Barack has identified and understands it. If nothing else, Pennsylvania should open their eyes and realize that this man "gets it" and I, along with other Pennsylvanian's for Barack Obama get it too and we also believe that without hope, we have nothing. I hope that the good people of Pennsylania will hear that he's simply speaking the truth, he's on our same playing field and that's what scares the hell outta Hillary is that we can relate to Barack!!

I've been a Democrat for 27 years born and raised in the great state of Pennsylvania and rural PA, raised on a dairy farm. We have all of the issues here and yes, we have bitter American's!! But I have to say, Pennsylvania isn't alone in the "bitter department". If we can turn this bitterness into a "fire in our bellies", I believe that we can all come through this together!!

Obama 2008

Posted by: Luanne | April 12, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

To rmorrow. You asked for a response to the religion and guns issue. For Obama to say it's because of the economy people cling to their religion or guns is not true. Where I come from, I would say at least 75% or more of the religious voters cannot get beyond gays, guns & abortion issues, and will only vote republican, no matter how bad the economy is or what a lousy job GWB has done or how he has ruined this country, because they truly believe the republican party gives a hoot about these issues. I know voters so passionate about their guns that they will only vote republican regardless of how rotten the last seven years have been, because they're scared to death a democrate will take their guns from them. This is their mindset.

Posted by: dsn | April 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

in 2006 there was a resolution to ban the cluster bombs use during the Israil/Lebanon war. Between these three presidential candidates. McCain and Clinton voted for the cluster bombs use while Obama voted against it. Time and time again Obama is using his common sense. People please try not to get destructed base on the misstatement. Try to look for the characters of these candidates.

Posted by: bigben1986 | April 12, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Barak Obama should have been more sensitive. His comment about those "bitter" people in Western Pennsylvania who had lost their jobs will come back to haunt him. Nonetheless, what he said was true. It was their bloated union benefits and their continual demand for even more benefits that drove their employers to take their business elsewhere, first to right-to-work Southern States and later to China and other foreign countries. NAFTA and illegal immigrants had noting to do with it. If those unemployed folks want to get back on their feet or, at least, avoid passing their misery on to their children, they need to stop scapegoating and face the truth. They might ponder the words of the 1950's comic strip sage, Pogo, who said: "We have met the enemy, and they are us."

Posted by: Carlos Navarro | April 12, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama reminds me of Clinton 1992, the Republicans will bash him unmercifully and he'll come right back at them. That's what the Dems were lacking in 2000 and 2004 when they gave away very winnable presidential elections, or how ever you want to describe what happened in 2000. At least if we lose, we'll have gone down fighting if he's the nominee. I think that would be true of Ms. Clinton as well.

Posted by: newageblues | April 12, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

McCain is right. Obama is out of touch.

Have any of you ever KNOWN of small town America NOT I repeat NOT to be be clinging to guns, church goers and leary of strangers. Typical white people.

I ask you have you ever? It's their way of life. It has nothing to do with bitterness.

OBAMA OUT OF TOUCH.

Now Obama go to Detroit and preach about the bitterness there. Blame all the murderers, robbers and crack city on bitterness.

Better yet visit the rich white people in Ca and tell them that blacks are bitter towards them. Wright preaches just that.

Posted by: John | April 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I do not understand how any working class middle-income family think that Hilary & Bill can have their interest at heart - look at their financial records since leaving office. They've accumulated a fortune & become a very welathy couples. How did Bill get his $ from foreign speaking engagements & don't forget he brought NAFTA into play!!! John & Cindy McCain are one of wealthiest couples in US. So who are the elitist here between the candidates in regards to financial power & wealth???

Posted by: Becky | April 12, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

More broad generalizations from a elitists. What is his point? That small town America should be more like big city America? Did he do such a great job getting jobs for the inner city youth in Chicago NO NO NO! Crime, gangs, unemployment and high school drop out rate skyrocketed in th districts that Obama represented. He went to San Francisco and insult fly over country That is his right. It is also very America, very patriotic for US citizens to express their dissent of his ridicule, condescension, stereotyping, and dismissiveness. He insulted the moral beliefs of those in small towns who don't participate in San Francisco style parades where transvestites dressed as nuns hold sex toys. I guess those small town people really need to get with the hip Obammunists.

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The reason Obama should have said those hicks back in PA are bigots gun-holding, religious zealots, is because they ARE bigots gun-holding, religious zealots. That's not quite what he said, but I'll say it for him. The folks there (and everywhere else) who've been out of work for 25 years, whose jobs got sent overseas by corporate fatcats and are never coming back, who have no hope and no prospects, are bitter and have every right to be bitter. But instead of being bitter at the corporate fatcats and their Greedy Ol' Party enablers, they are bitter at outsiders and anyone different than themselves. They swallow hook, line, and sinker the lie that liberals want to take their guns away. They have no faith in politicans because politics have become so poisoned by the extreme-right-wing-zealots, so they put their faith in zealot preachers who reassure them God said it's not their fault.

By any rational definition, Obama told the truth. But the Greedy Ol' Party can't handle the truth. All they know is lashing out at anyone and everyone they perceive as an enemy, which includes most of America.

Posted by: seattle_wa | April 12, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Bill and Hillary sure sound like the man on the street.We all made $109 million over the last seven years advising people how they could get around the laws of the country. We all get to flaunt the laws and morals and ethics like the Clintons did.The Clintons profess to be of the people, but what kind of a country would we be if we all had as little respect for what is moral, legal and ethical as the Clintons do?Their behavior sets a poor example. What if we all lied like Hillary does on the campaign trail?Then Bill Clinton tells two more lies and Hillary tells two more to go around the first lie. Is that the kind of leader the country needs?

Posted by: majorteddy | April 12, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

if you read the whole article of what he said, these are the comments which many find the most offensive...when he said this about Penn. workers who lose their jobs...

"...And it`s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren`t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." - Sen. Barack Obama

what an arrogant, snob...so, he thinks the Penn. working-class gets bitter...and when things get tough with jobs being lost, etc., workers in Penn. turn to guns, (read...violence and crime), to religion, (read...out of bitterness), to antipathy towards people not like them, (read...racism), or anti-immigrant sentiment, (read...more racism), anti-trade sentiments, (read...excuses), to explain their frustrations.

so, properly translated from Obama-Speak, when things get tough in Penn. with workers losing their jobs, they get bitter and over-emotional, turn to violence and crime, to religion out of bitterness, to racism, and to excuses to explain their frustrations.

i never, and never have, fit any of his descriptions...and the stereotyping is outrageous and infuriating!...obviously, this guy`s COMPLETELY LOST when it comes to Penn.`s middle-class workers! indeed, it sounds like Obama doesn`t know Penn. workers very well at all...and what it`s like to actually lose a job...

the remarks speak for themselves...that`s what he really thinks of unemployed Penn. workers and how they behave, etc...and Penn. workers in general...nice to know that sometimes, the real BO slips thru showing us all what he`s really like...and what he really is!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Oops, Obama has been caught doing something awful. He told the truth.

Maybe, and I mean maybe, he made a mistake singling out PA over other states. But please, tell me, what did he say that was incorrect?

People are bitter in this country, and they have every right to be. They're frustrated with their government doing nothing to help them keep their jobs. They want to know that they'll be able to keep their homes and send their kids to college.

And, time and time again, people vote against their economic interests. One need only look at the direct mail that conservative groups sent out in 2004 to see what's happening in this country. The social issues he mentioned (gun control, immigration, gay marriage) are used to divide and conquer. It's been in the GOP playbook since the rise of the Moral Majority.

And you would be more than welcome to be offended if these tactics weren't successful. But they have been. Extremely successful. So, as all of you spend your time wallowing in your false sense of indignity, try to remember that.

He may lose because of this situation, as much as it pains me to say it. He'll lose, but at least he's honest.

Signed,

A 30-Year-Old College Graduate Who Can't Find Work

Posted by: JamesCH | April 12, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Bella Bella ===you sound bitter.

Posted by: Majorteddy | April 12, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

IS HE NOT RIGHT!? I mean, think about it. Put yourself in a hypothetical situation where you have been making your living in a factory in small-town America and all of a sudden your job gets shipped to Mexico because of NAFTA. Would you be bitter? You bet. I feel that Obama is speaking the truth.

Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

When I heard just the snipets of Obama's comments being flashed around the cable news. I thought my God not again!! But when I read and heard the complete message I realize that he was trying to bring to the attention the frustration of the middle class in the small town of middle America. People are reacting without getting the real facts; Please analyze and search everything before judging this man. For once in our lifetime a candidate who is telling the truth. He is not perfect what at stake is voting for candidates that might bring us another war which Clinton and McCain represents.

Posted by: bigben1986 | April 12, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Wow, lots of Pennsylvanians whining about their lost jobs. Guess what - it's a global economy, and jobs will be gained and lost. It's not the politician's fault (or anyone's fault), it's the nature of the world.

If you want to survive/thrive, you better get some skills that people need, not hold onto the old ones like grim death, moaning how some Mexicans or Chinese stole your bloated manufacturing wages.

Posted by: JD | April 12, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Interesting this morning's line is that Obama's obvious misstep, even WP objective anyalys saying so this morning turns into a sickening attack on HC. Its her fault she and her H's 400,000 d*** jobs for Pa made me say it. Now she is "the equivalent of the plague" and Samantha Powers calling her a monster are absolutely correct according to Obama apologist. So her apology and admission of calling her opponent a monster should be taken back. HC says the voters she has talked to are optimistic and positive I guess saying they are bitter and that is why they cling to the bible makes sense to Obama supporters.


And this suggestion by you, blame the voters if you can't blame Bill Clinton for those durn 400,000 jobs:

"The point was that instead of trying to change things, people take solace in their own misery and become bitter and resentful at the outside world. You can change the way things are."

right its the voters' fault yell at the voters if yelling at HC doesn't get your way. Keep saying that to Pa voters, yeah right why don't you also just call Peynslvanians stupid and lazy while you are at it, that should win you lots of support for your candidate.

The we hear:

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

For the first time in my adult life, this bitter, clingy, typical white person wishes that the Obama's would just go away.

Posted by: JoeCHI | April 12, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Obama

I just wanted to add... you may look down your nose as us here in PA. But we are proud to put in a hard days work. I do not own a gun.. but it takes money to put bullets in those guns that we all supposedly own and money to put into church collection (so we can't be doing too badly). San Francisco has a different dimension and life style. I live in a town where children still play outside everyday.

If you want to say something bad about PA... its the winter weather and ice.

It is how you said it... to make a point you threw us under a bus. People come to PA to see the Liberty Bell... Gettysburg... Valley Forge... Hershey Kisses... the Pocono's ... skiing... You have the rest of America thinking why vacation in PA if we are just a bunch of nuts running around like some Commune Camp. Maybe PA tourism should address your comments.

Obama should of addressed PA concerns with PA.. not in some room in California... And he should not have broadly stroked Pennsylvanians as people that cling to their guns and bibles .. and that we fear immigrants... when most of us here are immigrants and transplants themselves. It was a snob statement...

Watch out America... next he will be over in a Foreign Country airing all of the United States dirty laundry and dishing on all of us.. and not just PA.


My advice is Please think before you speak.
And for those of you trying to tell me that no one should be insulted and this is what he really said...... blah blah blah... He said what he said.. and he did not say it to PA.... He painted a picture of PA that is depressing .. and making us look like we live in the USSR...
The ends do not justify the means.

Ciao


Posted by: Bella Bella | April 12, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." So this is what Sen. Obama thinks of us poor, little, feeble-minded, small-town hicks, huh? Nice. And this guy is the "Great Uniter" candidate, right? Then he tries to cover it up by saying, "Oh, I meant that small-town people are bitter about losing their jobs." And he thinks we are just so stupid that we will fall for that line. Nevermind that he just generally accused us small town folk of being gun-toting, xenophobic, religious zealots. This guy is such a snob.

Posted by: Cory | April 12, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." So this is what Sen. Obama thinks of us poor, little, feeble-minded, small-town hicks, huh? Nice. And this guy is the "Great Uniter" candidate, right? Then he tries to cover it up by saying, "Oh, I meant that small-town people are bitter about losing their jobs." And he thinks we are just so stupid that we will fall for that line. Nevermind that he just generally accused us small town folk of being gun-toting, xenophobic, religious zealots. This guy is such a snob.

Posted by: Cory | April 12, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I would like to address the die hard supporters of Obama. You have claimed coming back to PA and that what Obama has said is true.

Pennsylvania is not a small state. I live in North Eastern PA. Which is One hour and 15 minutes from NYC. Pocono's is a bedroom community to New York City. We have many New Yorkers that live here in the North East and that commute to New York. We have Casino's that are just starting to sprout up all over the place.

I have lived in Scranton PA.. you may now it as the city where the TV show Office is suppose to be set. It is an Old Coal Mining Region.. My grandfather was a Coal Miner that died of black lung. Times changed and Coal Mining dwindled. Scranton was not that same industrial scene anymore... it had to change with the times as anywhere else. My moms side of the family were Russian Immigrants. My father son of Italian/Sicilian Immigrants.

I have lived in Central Pennsylvania .. and yes Hershey have some major lay-offs. But Central PA is home of our Capitol... so it is full of politicians... And Harrisburg is not so tiny.... Nor is Williamsport Home of Baseball Little League.

I went to college out in Johnstown PA .. which is Western PA... Western PA is where some of your great actors Jimmy Stewart, Michael Keaton and Jeff Goldblum... and not to mention Pittsburgh Steelers. And yes there are miners there for years that lost their jobs.. because other energy sources were cleaner.. and environmental and safety etc. Some of those people yes were waiting for their jobs to come back... Hard for change. It is hard for me and hard for you...

Oh yes there is Philadelphia... and that is no small city either.

Dear Obama, You went to California for which I have been several times. You went and spoke behind my back... Making fun of us. There is a difference between PA and CA. I have changed my occupation from manufacturing to technical. Why? Because as time progresses so shall I. Adaptation. I loved my grandfather the coal miner.. but he too knew that life changed. He stayed in his small town... for the love of his family and friends. He could never sit at a table because he was used to crouching in the mines and lost his finger to boot. He vowed to his family way back that he would never take welfare ... He never admitted that he was poor. In my eyes he never was.

We are fighters here in PA.. we have changed with the times.

Obama, how is what you said any different then Rev. Wright putting us all into one classification? You say you are for Hope and Change... You say you dislike people small minds.

PA is PO for Potential. And for those of you who come back home... you left when you were 18 and most likely love where you live now. There is nothing wrong with that.. but why don't you ask your folks and family why they did not leave.. and I do not mean recently because of home price.. but all during the years. It is the same reason you hang on to that pair of old shoes... It is comfort and sensibility.

You spoke behind our backs like a gossip. It hurt. Please next time you pass through PA .. don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Sorry, I have to go and clean my gun and beat my bible.


Posted by: Bella Bella | April 12, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

why didn't obama ever serve in the US Military...
oh, yeah, he hates America and people who work for a living

Posted by: GIJANE | April 12, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Those who pounced within moments may well come to rue that they did so.

Posted by: FirstMouse | April 12, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

You know, I think it's time for us as Americans to grow up. We are currently in a war that has lasted longer than WWII, an economy that is in a recession; we're paying almost $4 a gallon on gas, and our jobs are leaving. We finally are blessed with a candidate that isn't going to sugarcoat his comments about the problems in this county. For example: "We should talk to our enemies" or "Parents need to be better parents", or "People are bitter", and what do we do? We play gotcha politics, get all offended, and let a handful of pundits drill these negative ideas in our heads all day. Making things better in this country is not going to be easy and it's going to take more than the usual B.S. from our politicians to make things better. Obama is absolutely right. People are bitter about their situations and they should be. But I'll take it one step further, the reason guys like Bush are elected for two terms is because we as a country don't vote on the issues that are important we vote for what makes us feel comfortable and we accept being spoken to as children, matter of fact we're like children who always wants desert but never want to eat our vegetables but then we complain when we have a toothache. We complain every four years about how our politics are run amuck and how we never have any clear choices...Life's funny because this year Americans will be tested, this year we as Americans will have to show that we're ready to be treated like adults, this year Americans may have to accept the fact that the best person for the job is a skinny, young, black man with a Muslim name. Irony? Sure. Or maybe it's just time for us to grow up and eat our vegetables.

Posted by: Dillon | April 12, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Words of Wisdom = Ranting of a Wacko

Posted by: aqualung | April 12, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

All this rhetoric about how "good" the democratic candidates are - that is just an urban legend that simply isn't true - these two candidates are horrible, horrible, horrible.


Try to tell that to some wacko lefto - they will not listen.


The democrats did this to themselves - they had 2 really good candidates in Biden and Dodd - and the democracts refused to finance these candidates adequately. The democrats who chose to send their money where they did during the primaries did this to their own party - IT just goes to show what kind of judgement the democrats rank and file exercise.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 12, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama's real problem is that he thinks too much about himself. He is spending time in Indiana talking about Pennsylvania and San Francisco, and himself, instead of talking about Indiana and the people of Indiana.

Posted by: nmaif | April 12, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

If you listen to the comments in their entirety, you get the sense that Obama has a great deal of compassion for people who are hurting and have been forgotten by the powerful in this country. And although his statements about some who cling to guns or religion or fear of those who are different may have sounded harsh, and were not advisable comments to make, politically, they were also courageous and honest attempts to understand and explain what is motivating some of out citizens.

Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Kathy, gun toting Bible thumpers cannot take care of themselves. The states in the Bible belt receive a larger share of federal revenue per capita compared to the rest of the country. Always have, probably always will. And you talk about Marxism! You're clueless!

Posted by: aqualung | April 12, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

For too long fear, division and rancor as instruments to maintain power and position in Washington.

Why are the Clintons' traditional adversaries Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity now embracing Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party's nominee? Because both the Clintons and John McCain are willing sparring partners in the fear mongering arena, whereas Barack Obama's means of governing through confidence, unity and reason threatens the wealth, power and position of these fear mongers.

It's refreshingly nice to see the better angels of America's character prevailing as voters reject the racial, religious and ethnic slurs being spewed by the divisive surrogates of the Clintons, Limbaugh and Hannity.

Hillary Clinton says her economic policies will restore the economic policies of her husband's administration. However both Hillary and her husband failed to demonstrate any economic wisdom or foresight as Alan Greenspan warned of irrational exuberance while the sub prime housing loans and dot com investment bubbles were created and pandered during her husband's administration and both supported China's entry into the World Trade Organization without any conditions such as protecting the environment or labor and property rights to levels that are comparable to western standards.

The U.S. government surplus (generated by taxes raised from the housing and investment bubbles) evaporated once the housing and investment bubbles burst.

Furthermore, China today is not only a leading contributor to environmental pollution and global warming (thank you very much Mr. Nobel Laureate, Al Gore), it's also pushing up oil and other commodity prices, taking our jobs and stealing our intellectual property.

Like the Roaring Twenties decade that preceded the Great Depression, the Irrational Nineties that preceded our current decade were both golden ages for technology, scandal-plagued politicians, corporate greed, and unrestrained personal debt and speculation.

As the global economy teeters on the brink of economic meltdown not unlike the Great Depression, America doesn't need finger pointing and fear mongering, America needs a president whose economic policies are based on confidence, unity and reason. America needs Barack Obama.

When political and military judgment mattered most to U.S. military personnel and the American people, John McCain and Hillary Clinton failed as U.S. Senators to demonstrate any commander-in-chief qualities when without competent questioning, they both accepted the faulty intelligence used to justify the Iraq war and misjudged the Bush administration's competencies to lead the war.

Barack Obama on the other hand demonstrated his superior judgment and commander-in-chief qualities when he took an unpopular position and cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen Al Qaeda's recruitment.

Now, John McCain advocates maintaining U.S. troops in Iraq indefinitely which does little to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the political reforms needed to promote civil unity whereas Barack Obama's threat to withdraw U.S. troops does more to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the necessary reforms.

As the threat of global terrorism persists, neither John McCain or Hillary Clinton have demonstrated any understanding of the complexities of building and maintaining global alliances to confront this common enemy. America needs a president with demonstrated commander in chief qualities, leadership and judgment. America needs Barack Obama.

If experience, wisdom and judgment may be relied upon to judge a presidential candidate's abilities to solve problems, then let's look at the records of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

2007 - While Barack Obama promoted a restoration of balance between work and wealth and criticized special interests for distorting U.S. tax codes, Hillary Clinton and her husband liquidated their blind trust of the nearly $50 million amassed during their years in public office.

2002 - While Barack cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda, Hillary told Larry King she didn't regret her vote on the Iraq war resolution because like the Bush administration, the Clinton administration viewed Saddam Hussein as a threat to the international community.

1999 - While Barack secured bipartisan support for health-care reform and passage of low-income tax credits and child care subsidies in the Illinois legislature, Hillary supported her husband's Iraq "regime change" policy in order to divert public attention from the president's marital, legal and ethical infidelities.

1989 - While Barack Obama served as the Harvard Law Review's first black president, Hillary Clinton then wife of the Arkansas governor received payments from a law firm that was doing the state's business and received board of director payments from Wal-Mart where she remained silent about Wal-Mart's anti-labor union practices.

1979 - While Barack Obama was actively involved in the South African divestment movement to end apartheid, Hillary reaped profits of almost 10,000% in the futures markets and left taxpayers with her real-estate losses in the Savings & Loan bailout.

The Clintons would have us believe that Hillary and Bill have been thoroughly vetted. If that were true, then why don't we have answers for:

FOREIGN: How will Hillary know whether Bill's advice serves U.S. interests or the interests of his Russian, Chinese, Indian, Kazakhstan, Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman or Brunei clients?

MONEY: Do the Clinton Foundation, Clinton Library, Clinton campaign and Clintons tax records show a proper accounting for the sources and uses of funds?

PARDONS: Will Hillary "reject" contributions or compensation from persons she pardons unlike her husband Bill who accepted contributions from Marc Rich, partner of Viktor Bout (the merchant of death), and her brother Hugh Rodham who accepted compensation from drug lords who were pardoned by Bill?

Voters in Pennsylvania now have an opportunity to change the direction of America's policies, economy and foreign relations for the better by voting for Barack Obama and rejecting the fear mongers.

As a Republican-leaning independent, I will vote for the Democratic nominee if it is Barack Obama but I will not vote for the Party's nominee if Hillary Clinton is on the ticket. America needs Barack Obama.

Posted by: John Patrick Smith | April 12, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama's a Marxist! Now that's a wingnut talking!

Posted by: aqualung | April 12, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Obama's just another elite liberal that wants to take care of all of us clueless, gun toting bible thumpers as we can't possibly take care of ourselves. The man's a Marxist.

Posted by: Kathy | April 12, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I have lived in a small border town on the PA/NJ border for over twenty years. There's plenty of bitterness in PA. There are plenty of guns. I live near Easton, PA, and people have been out of work for generations. I dare the Obama critics to come to PA and visit just any town, and you will hear and see bitterness. Talk politics, and you will find people don't even vote anymore, they are so bitter.

I have seen it first hand. Senator Obama speaks the truth.

Posted by: Liz | April 12, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

The same people who voted for Bush (Twice!) are now calling Obama elitist! Bush, the guy who lied us into war and sends America's children off to die while his kids party-on stateside! Yeah, right. The guy who has gutted the US economy and who's brought us $4 a gallon gas! And McCain's no elitist, nah! He's just one of the Keating Five (kinda like the Jackson Five without soul). He loves the war and wants to see America bogged down there for another hundred years. And Hillary can't keep straight what happened in Bosnia and voted with the GOP on the Credit and Bankruptcy Bill, a sop to the Financial lobby.

What a crock of s_t this "elitist" meme is! Someone yells "elitist" and the wingnuts repeat it in unison. How rare!

Posted by: aqulaung | April 12, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

The Starbucks liberal offers his views on the quaint working class...

Posted by: mardcole | April 12, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Bitter? Hell yes we are, and he hit the nail on the head.
-We are bitter about the Bush/Clinton war and the more than 4 thousand dead and 10's of thousands wounded young Americans.
-We are bitter about the Bush Economy.
\We are bitter about American Jobs going overseas, and bitter about NAFTA.
-We are bitter about poor health care.
-We are bitter about corrupt politicians.
SAY IT LOUDER OBAMA...HELL YES WE ARE BITTER!
!WE ARE BITTER, ANGRY, MAD, DISAPPOINTED, DISMAYED, AND UPSET. Thankfully OBAMA give us reason to HOPE...Hold On Pray Everyday.
HILLARY, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. Americans are indeed BITTER!

Posted by: Emerald Falcon | April 12, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

To all of the Obma supporters who claim that he is just speaking the truth, please tell me:

That you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

I've asked this question several times tonight, but can't get an answer. This is what I heard the guy say. Can someone tell me where I am wrong?


Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:20 PM
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This just shows how each of us brings our own biases to what see, hear, and read ...

Obama should stay way from providng this type of punditry analysis when answering questions, but that doesn't make what he said offensive. I live in Federalsburg, MD. Look it up. It is a very small town. Like others that have previously posted, I have heard on numerous occassions accustations that Obama is a Muslim, is unpatriotic, etc. I expect I'll now hear that he is an elitist. Most ofe people arond here are FOX News junkies and will vote GOP, which is intersting since they are primarily farmers and hourly wage workers (average annual income is just over $25K/year).

I was an Edwards supporter and will support whomever is the Democratic nominee, so I have no dog in this hunt, but as far as I am concenred this is just another case of much ado about nothing.

So in response, your response shows your own biases. Here is my interpretation of what was said.

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives... So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

What he's saying is that the economic situation creates a litany of behaviors (other than racism, see response to question 3)that individuals "cling to" to "explain their furstrations," i.e, place blame on someone else for their situation. He doesn't say that is the only reason people are religious, or cling to the second amendment (guns), or are anti-immigrant, etc.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

See response to 1.

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

He is saying that regarding his problems with rural voters in PA (I am guessing he is reponding to a question here), "everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing."

In other words, he is defending the rural voters and saying they ARE NOT xenophobes.


Posted by: write2bheard | April 12, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

I am a Pennsylvanian and nothing that Barack Obama said in that conversation with fundraisers (it was not a speach, but a conversation with a group of fundraisers) was insulting or offensive, if anything it was nice to hear someone actually get it right. People in America, especially small towns, have been getting screwed by the big cats for years. Jobs have been leaving these areas in droves, most of them thanks for flawed trade agreements like the Clinton supported NAFTA. People are struggling and Washington has turned its back on them for a long time. Being bitter and holding on to the few things that makes them feel safer and more secure is normal! His comments were just that, an observation of reality and he got it right. What is so insulting or offensive about that? Where exactly is the insult?? Those of you repeating the Republican and Clinton mantra of "how dare he insult middle America like that!" are either unconsciuos or are parrots who repeat everything without knowing what they are saying.
What is insulting is that both the Clinton and McCain camps think that despite the mounting economic problems, the education and housing crisis, the ever increasing gas and food prices and little prospects of better jobs, that people should still be jumping up and down in blissful joy like a bunch of idiots! Both Clinton and McCain insult our intelligence by their childish comments.
Of course many of us are bitter! who wouldn't be!
C'mon get real. Those of you who claim to be insulted by what Obama said, please explain how and what exactly was insulting to you, because for the life of me, I cannot see anything in what he said to be seen as an insult. He was not passing judgment, he was not criticizing, he was making a very realistic and accurate observation and that was all.
Stop crying foul unless you can substantiate your cries with something real.

Posted by: Beca | April 12, 2008 6:01 AM | Report abuse

It never fails. This is the pattern for lefties now: Obama will say something stupid, and they will all scramble to explain it away. "Well he really meant this..."

Posted by: sans defaut | April 12, 2008 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Ryan
That's your OPINION and you're welcome to it.
However, what I posted is how I feel.
And I have the right to express it.
Or are you like your buddy Obama and and you are so arrogant that freedom of speech only applies to you?
I was insulted when he said "typical white person"
And I am HIGHLY offended to his last bit of Buffoonery.
Who are YOU to tell me how to feel?
Nobody.
Even if your momma told you that you were special, she lied. Your opinion and voice is worth no more than mine.
I detest arrogance.
But, I can see that you actually believe in what Obama says, like the other 15% of the population that are far lefties.
Just get used to frustration because NOTHING will ever be good enough for you.
OR Obama or Michelle.
Especially come November. LOL
There is, however, an over supply of ObamaBerry koolaid available. The supply remains constant, but the demand is about to tank. Only ObamaBabies will still drink it.
I love to see the ObamaBabies get stirred up. Desperation makes for some entertainment.
My gun totin', bible thumpin', White, Bigot butt is enjoying it.
And there's nothing you can do about it.

Posted by: RoBoTech | April 12, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

Anyone have a natural cure for all night blogging??

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 4:09 AM | Report abuse

The Clintons are elitists in thinking, as Governor Richardson declared, they are entitled to be in the White House for up to four terms. They resent Barack as an upstart in usurping what was supposed to be their coronation. The Clintons are condescending to everyone in thinking they can fool enough people to vote for them through slander and McCarthyite tactics.

Governor Richardson and Senator Kennedy, as well as many other Americans, have been appalled by these tactics. How can Clinton partisans defend these tactics, which are straight out of the GOP playbook? John McCain may be the ultimate winner.

Posted by: Koreen | April 12, 2008 4:09 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans didn't understand Ron Paul's appeal, and they don't understand Barack Obama's appeal. In both cases they've tried to reduce it to 'mesmerized young people'. Wrong answer.

Yes, voters are FED UP with politics as usual and government as usual. If you want to use the word 'bitter', that's okay too. But whatever the Republican politicians are saying - they're talking to themselves.

Posted by: Tom J | April 12, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Are you people joking? If you are not angry then you are either a full blown Republican apologist, or you are not paying attention.

This nation is in a war that has killed thousand of soldiers and many thousands more Iraqis (many of whom are innocent, it is possible to say), this government seemingly has advocated the use of torture ( which is against international law, if you care about such trivialities), has destroyed the middle class while siding with corporate interests, has presided over a staggering inflation on all things middle americans need, such as food and energy, has bailed out corporations while deriding the idiocy of those regular people who fell for the idea that home ownership could be achieved and made many of us disgusted with the sophistry of all parties in Washington DC.

And you call us un-American? Obama underestimates the anger and bitterness in America OUTSIDE the beltway.

Frankly, I would suggest that most Americans agree with Sen. Obama, and defense of the status quo is unacceptable. No more.

Posted by: Kevin | April 12, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

The status quo cynics who believe in control and establishment will be out in full force trying to criticize Obama.
But then what can be expected, they will never have the guts to speak the truth as he did. And they are mad that someone who is not one of them is actually beating them.
This will go on till Obama wins the Presidency. Till then, take a seat and watch the establishment rot.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

Why is hillary clinton still in this race? She is OBVIOUSLY less expericned than Obama is. She is the equivlant of the plague=--she hangs around indefinietely and spreads her death to others (republicsans) If it is not common knowledge by now that she wants obama to lose so she has a shot in the next four years I guess we can chalk up another victory for american stupidity.

I love how Obama speaks the truth and gets ridiculed for it. AMERICANS CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, speak to us like we're 3 some more. You feel my pain and are a compassionate consrevative. Dumb me down more. It's like heroin and denial mixed together. Nothing quite like it. Washington post.... Eugene Robinson.. you are WAY too good to be airing this garbage.

Posted by: jman | April 12, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama asks the public to listen to what he meant to say rather than to what he originally said. Ain't gonna happen... not with a public conditioned by the media to respond emotionally rather than contemplatively. Problem with Obama is that his contemporaneous remarks often reflect twisted syntax and grammar. Maybe he should write these thoughts out before spouting off the cuff gaffs. Even his elaboration of the original remarks reflects convoluted syntax. Is arrogance an explanation for his lack of preparedness? Maybe he is just too green right now. Barack, throw your delegates to Gore and return to fight for the top job another day!

Posted by: Scrivener | April 12, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

"When will your obsessive Fox/Goldberg hatred of the Clintons end"

I don't hate the Clintons. I just don't want them in the White House again. Their incessant lying is condescending. They think that we are so stupid that we won't catch on.

We've had 7.5 years of lies and fear and incompetence and cronyism and war. None of our problems were resolved. 4000 of our young were sacrificed because we were lied to about Iraq and now we've inherited another mess over there that we will be paying for for years.

Hillary and Bill have proven that they have a problem with the truth.

William Safire is right!
Samantha Power is right!
David Geffen is right!

The Clintons are deceitful! Both have lied under oath.

I used to believe it was a right wing conspiracy, but I'm far from right-wing. I've seen with my own eyes. The Clintons cannot be trusted. From their affiliations with Walmart to Colombia to NAFTA to CAFTA to Bosnia to Travelgate to the mysteriously appearing billing records to the blatant lie about Monica Lewinsky, the pattern is clear.

Bill can continue to do the great work he's done with his foundation and Hillary can continue to serve in the Senate, but they cannot be trusted to be Commander in Chief. We can't afford another presidency bogged down in scandal after scandal because the Clintons are in cover up mode again.

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 12, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

"By the way, Sen. Hillary Clinton voted for the cap on predatory credit card interest rates." leightman

Another distortion.

This cap was of 30% to be included in the famous credit card company backed bankruptcy bill which made it very difficult for over extended credit card holders to declare bankruptcy.

Mrs. Clinton voted for the amendment, but then was the only Senator to not vote for or against the bill itself. Senator Obama thought that 30% was way too high, and voted against the amendment and against the bill itself. Here are the facts.

"I've never seen a bill that was so one-sided," said Consumer Federation of America chair (and former Ohio senator) Howard Metzenbaum, at the time. "The cries, claims and concerns of vulnerable Americans who have suffered a financial emergency have been drowned out by the political might of the credit card industry." When it came up for a second vote in 2005, Barack Obama, Kucinich, and Dodd voted against it; Biden (who represents credit card central, the state of Delaware) voted for it. Hillary Clinton was the only member of the Senate who didn't vote on the measure."

Please. No more Clintons in the White House. Bill is going to set up shop in the Lincoln Bedroom- where "he'll do what he likes to do best."

Posted by: Emily | April 12, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

"By the way, Sen. Hillary Clinton voted for the cap on predatory credit card interest rates." leightman

Another distortion.

This cap was of 30% to be included in the famous credit card company backed bankruptcy bill which made it very difficult for over extended credit card holders to declare bnankruptcy.

Mrs. Clinton voted for the amendment, but then was the only Senator to not vote for or against the bill itself. Senator Obama thought that 30% was way too high, and voted against the amendment and against the bill itself. Here are the facts.

"I've never seen a bill that was so one-sided," said Consumer Federation of America chair (and former Ohio senator) Howard Metzenbaum, at the time. "The cries, claims and concerns of vulnerable Americans who have suffered a financial emergency have been drowned out by the political might of the credit card industry." When it came up for a second vote in 2005, Barack Obama, Kucinich, and Dodd voted against it; Biden (who represents credit card central, the state of Delaware) voted for it. Hillary Clinton was the only member of the Senate who didn't vote on the measure."

Please. No more Clintons in the White House. Bill is going to set up shop in the Lincold Bedroom- where "he'll do what he likes to do best."

Posted by: Emily | April 12, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Why do you not think it is wrong for a politician to label an entire part of this country "most cynical"? I think it is wrong and it sends the wrong message because it is so off target. People have guns for reasons. People go to church and embrace religion for reasons, and just maybe the do it with understanding and interest, as well as joy. Why is it cynical or whatever it is that Obama said to think that these people are bitter? I don't get him or what he is saying. I think he is wrong.

Posted by: swoosie1 | April 12, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

The point was tha instead of trying to change things, people take solace in their own misery and become bitter and resentful at the outside world. You can change the way things are.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 12, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

If anybody should know elites, it's the Republicans . People are hurting. SO! McCain is just another 4 years of Bush.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 12, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, give the guy a break. He can't help it. All Black people think that we small-town Pennsylvanians are gun-toting, smoking, relious nuts who hate outsiders because there are no Black people in small-town Pennsylvania.

Posted by: lucecaboose | April 12, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

For all the folks who are pointing out how much Obama has raised, just remember this: Clinton and McCain can only wish they could do the same. Don't think for one second that their inability to raise as much money in this election has anything to do with Obama.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 12, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty difficult for me to see someone as an "elitist" when he was the son of a (mostly absent) single parent who was raised by his grandparents, who had to put himself through school, who had to pay off his own student loans, and whose policies about transparency in government and ethics are sorely needed in Washington.

The Clinton folks are going to have to come up with something else because in the immortal words of President Clinton, "that dog won't hunt."

Posted by: P Diddy | April 12, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Give me a freakin break, he speaks the truth - not condescension. Get over it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

I can't help noticing someone speaking ill of "millionaire" Bush and supporting millionaire Obama. Double standard seems apparent. Obama is rich and will get a lot richer, especially if he becomes president, just like Bill & Hillary Clinton did. But you only hear snide remarks about rich Republicans, as if the Democrats in the race AREN'T? John Kerry, the Clintons, Kennedy, Edwards, Rockefeller,Corzine,and Obama, plus too many more Democrats to name. The movie stars and celebrities that complain about rich Republicans are themselves rich, not ashamed of it (and shouldn't be), flaunt it while feeling bad about the poor, yada, yada, yada....The American dream is to do well and be successful and yes, get rich. Everyone wants and hopes to and most are working towards that goal.

There should be no shame attached. Just don't bad-mouth "Millionaire" Bush with no mention of Millionaire Obama,M. Clinton, M. Edwards, M. Corzine, M. Kennedy, etc. ad infinitum.

Posted by: Can't Help Noticing | April 12, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

What is there NOT to be bitter about? If you listen to these people's stories you'll realize there is lots to be bitter about and be proud of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39PniziiJWE

Posted by: Adi | April 12, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

This is what Sen. Obama is trying to do. Tell the truth. Yes, Americans are bitter. We have no money, no jobs, and are losing our homes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=

Posted by: Peggy | April 12, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

I was there for this. Maybe McCain should have a headfrombuttectomy and actually consider what the people Obama is talking about are saying in response to this.

Note that EVERYONE was cheering when Senator Obama finished making his remarks.

Because he's right.

Posted by: Barbara | April 12, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

right had H.C. used those exact words that Sen Obama used you would be defending her.

Bill earned money, and raised millions to bring Aids Drugs to the third world. So what is that too unAmerican or only when it comes from the Clintons? When will your obsessive Fox/Goldberg hatred of the Clintons end. You are such phonies. Had HC said anything remotely like what Sen Obama said you would be calling for her to give up her Senate Seat tonight amd you can t even be honest enough yo admit that.
And what is truly pathetic is that the Obama supporters are so blind as to not even recognize their own Hypocrisy.
One more time answer my question please. Had HC used those precise words would the Obama supporters be here tonight defending her?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

check this out for inspiration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9ubMQX7WE

Posted by: Just a question | April 12, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

"And no one has answered my other question: what would you Obama apologist be saying about HC had she made that exact dispariging remark in S.F. and then run off to Indiana and gave a speech reframing his actual words?

Exactly as I thought, I can hear a pin drop to the anwer to my question." leightman

dispariging? not even disparaging.

Leightman,

the remarks wern't disparaging. They were sympathetic attempts at conveying people's frustrations of losing their jobs- not because of "the economy" but because giant companies were given safe havens to move their plants offshore by the US government. You hear it every night on Lou Dobbs CNN.

Now if Senator Clinton had addressed the same issues, she would have been given "two thumbs up" by this Barack Obama supporter, Unfortunately, she deals mostly in "solutions" that have no hope of becoming facts. She has shown in the past that she doesn't get things done- except help make $109,000,000 for the Clinton family.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

"And no one has answered my other question: what would you Obama apologist be saying about HC had she made that exact dispariging remark in S.F. and then run off to Indiana and gave a speech reframing his actual words?

Exactly as I thought, I can hear a pin drop to the anwer to my question." leightman

dispariging? not even disparaging.

Leightman,

the remarks wern't disparaging. They were sympathetic attempts at conveying people's frustrations of losing their jobs- not because of "the economy" but because giant companies were given safe havens to move their plants offshore by the US government. You hear it every night on Lou Dobbs CNN.

Now if Senator Clinton had addressed the same issues, she would have been given "two thumbs up" by this Barack Obama supporter, Unfortunately, she deals mostly in "solutions" that have no hope of becoming facts. She has shown in the past that she doesn't get things done- except help make $109,000,000 for the Clinton family.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

There is no way a white man with the same background and credentials as Obama could ever be elected to any office in this country.

Look at Obama's affiliations:

- Senator Meeks who openly hates whites and gays and is listed on Obama's campaign website as a major Obama supporter and backer and is one of Obama;s super-delegate. Mr. Meeks has been integral in helping Mr. Obama succeed in politics.

- Larry Sinclair claims in 1999 Senator Obama's arranged to meet him in a limousine, sold Senator Obama cocaine and then gave Senator Obama oral sex. Subsequently Larry and Obama went to a hotel and preformed oral sex again. Mr. Sinclair is testifying in court under oath that these allegations are true.

- Mr. Auchi is an Iraqi billionaire and major financial sponsor for Obama's rise to power throughout the past years.
While working with Saddam Hussein, Auchi made his fortune through the selling of arms in Iraq and the funneling of money from the Oil for Food program (no wonder Obama voted against invading Iraq). Mr. Auchi should have been tried along side Saddam Hussein for his crimes against humanity.

- Mr. Wright is a racist who hates America and whites with Hitleresque triads. Mr. Wright has been Mr. Obama's spiritual mentor for over 20 years. Before the media exposed Mr. Wright, Mr. Wright was on Obama's campaign staff as Obama's chief religious advisor. Mr. Wright and Mr. Meeks are ideologically closer to Karl Marx and Black Nationalism, than to Christianity.

- Mr. Rezko is Obama's long time friend and a major mob figure. Rezko is NOT known for his civic sense of duty and does not do favors without asking something in return.

- Mr. Ayers of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol, served with Obama on the board of the leftist foundation called the Woods Fund.
- Mr. McPeaks is Obama's military adviser and national campaign co-chairman who claims that American Jews are the "problem." and "Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel."

- Michelle Obama trumpets Obama as "the second coming of the messiah," and also states that she "has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life".

The list goes on...

How can Obama's bad judgment to choose to affiliate with criminals and fanatics be justified?

Had Hillary Clinton had any of the above ghosts in her closet, she would have been thrown out of the election long ago.

Hey everybody - am I missing something here?

It is also interesting to note that Obama supporters seems to harbor anger and rage in their rhetoric, is this what they learned from Rev. Wright? Are we ushering into power a new Mussolini?

Posted by: Marian Williams | April 12, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

For Fred of the "I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make with your posts."

My points:

1. Senator Obama is good for our country.

2.Clintons not good for our country.

3.McCain disastrous for our country.

4. We don't know who you approve of or why. We just know that for some reason you are afraid of, and harbor deep hatred for Senator Obama.

5. Nothing that you say or paste is going to change anyone's minds or votes. You are way off the mark with your selective editing and distortion.Goodnight, Fred, wherever you are. Do you like anyone?

Posted by: Emily | April 12, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

for goodness sakes Obama supporters it was a tape recording by a Huffington Post reporter and supporter of Obama. Exactly how when CNN played the actual tape recording of Obama's exact words at the fundraiser is that "taken out of context"

News: Playing Obama's own words is now taking him out of context. That is the absolute most pathetic excuse I have read here tonight from an Obama apologists, don't dare believe his own words or own tape recordings. Maybe a Martian spliced the tape recording. Will that be tomorrow's spin? We have already heard that Ariana Huffington is a HC shill. Probably shocking news to Ariana and the Huffington Post.

And no one has answered my other question: what would you Obama apologist be saying about HC had she made that exact dispariging remark in S.F. and then run off to Indiana and gave a speech reframing his actual words?

Exactly as I thought, I can hear a pin drop to the anwer to my question b/c I am sure all you new Obama supporters here tonight would be vigorously defending her and saying how inspirational you thought her comment. Right?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

gmarston: Don't worry, I'm sure the mainstream media will quickly sweep this thing under the rug like they have just about all issues damaging to Obama. They will be back to talking about important things, like Hillary's yard signs by tomorrow.

Posted by: Fred | April 12, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

I regret having to say this (not much), but this forum seems to be an fairly good example of why some newspapers have shut down their pubic comment pages: a fine example, with some exceptions, of people who are intent on sounding off like obnoxious morons with the express purpose of shouting down anyone who disagrees. I am left to wonder if there are so many lives across this great nation so bereft of value and meaning that screaming at others has some intrinsic, psychic reward. Are posters merely trying to imitate their radio show heroes, but unable to sustain a line of thought that might make for a cogent point? I dunno. Overheated brains make for uncooked talking points and very little of any value to anyone.

Okay, I didn't mean everyone posting, got it?

I was born in and grew up mainly in Pennsylvania, finishing high school outside Reading. While a lot of jobs have left the state, like the steel industry, a lot of light, moderate and heavy manufacturing still remains. I was back in Pennsylvania, near Pottstown, last weekend and, I hafta tell ya, some news seems rather late in getting to the state. Take smoking. I counted half a dozen women driving cars along side us who were smoking away. My relatives, some in their early 20s, couldn't wait to light up. The point? Pennsylvania is kind of its own universe, just as is Texas or California. I doubt sincerely that people "cling" to religion or gun ownership because of the downturn in the economy or lost jobs. Pennsylvania is what I call a tradtionalist state. They like it the way it is and they don't really understand, or accept, the way the rest of the country is these days.

It is not a place looking to a great, wide future, but one rooted in the past and present and in the way things are and trying to keep them that way. What's wrong with that? If that's what they want, who is to say they shouldn't have it? Clinton appeals, in part, on pure economic terms: many think, and hope, that she can do something for the state.

I doubt that Obama's statements are the gaff of the century. He was simply stating his off the cuff impression and perhaps expressing some frustration that he is not doing better there. Those people who post on various forums, including this one, and who denounce with evident anger and vile statements someone they never supported in the first place, and never considered for a moment, are not proving anything and not contributing to the public dialog. There are people who would not vote for Obama, or a Democrat, if he were able to fly to their house in a golden chariot and ask for their vote. It doesn't really prove anything that they are willing to display that anger and rejection here, especially those who don't sign their names.

In the course of a long campaign, people will say dumb things. It is up to the voters to judge what those slips, or misstatements, mean to them. "I remember flying in under sniper fire" is either an honest mistake of memory or an outright, intentional lie, but I would suggest that no one, here or elsewhere, really knows what it is, in fact. Our opinions are just that: opinions. Those who insist that their views are virtually same as received laws from god are just stupid and intent on proving it, over and over.

Posted by: Doug Terry at terryreport.com | April 12, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I am amazed that people are so dam dumb they will continue to support this slimeball after he calls them racist, anti-immigrant, gun-toting religious zealots. The bitter-part was just an afterthought. How stupid are people that they will continue to support this arrogant creep?

Posted by: mclovin | April 12, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

If the media overplays this one, I am really going to throw up.
GO OBAMA, tell it like it is.

Posted by: gmarston | April 12, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Clinton News Network even said that Obama was taken out of context

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs

Posted by: Mean Machine | April 12, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Hilary must be stopped. I'm beginning to understand why people hate her. She will do and say anything to win. An McCain, the walking dead, who has nothing to offer, how dare that angry, bitter old man fake incredulousness at Obama's comments when he knows they were meant to identify with people's pain? They better fear Obama. He is miles ahead of them.

Posted by: lloydhand | April 12, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Obedience takes a lot of practice.

Posted by: Ken | April 12, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

justwait: exactly how did Sen Obama vote on the Dayton Amendt? Just like my querry earlier when I asked how Sen Obama voted on the John Kerry bill to end the war, or do you know the actual economic numbers in Pa from '92-99, every time an Obama supporter is confronted with facts like actual votes or actual words by their candidate that they don't like, instead of getting an answer, we get hit with personal attacks.

So here one more time is the story that you really tried to incorrectly promote tonight about Sen Obama and the bankruptcy bill. But don't let another fact get in the way of your diatribe.So far, Barack Obama's lack of full disclosure has gone unnoticed by the pundits jabbering about the Las Vegas Democratic debate last night.

The unpleasant truth is that Sen. Obama wasn't honest, in response to Tim Russert's question, in describing his entire voting history on the 2005 U.S. Senate bankruptcy bill.

Barack Obama "talked the populist talk" last night, lumping in credit card companies as targets of his economic rescue plans. But, in his first year in the U.S. Senate, Sen. Obama voted "Nay" on the Dayton Amendment to the 2005 bankruptcy bill that would freeze credit card interest rates at no higher than 30%. Obama sided with credit card companies over our nation's bedrock middle-class families as well as young adults susceptible to the companies' alluring, deceptive marketing.

That specific vote garnered Obama the admiration of his many corporate donors who find him "reasonable." After all, credit card companies comprise his second largest donor bloc. Harper's magazine noted in "Barack Obama Inc.: The birth of a Washington machine" that "it is also startling to see how quickly Obama's senatorship has been woven into the web of institutionalized influence-trading that afflicts official Washington. ..."


By the way, Sen. Hillary Clinton voted for the cap on predatory credit card interest rates.

Here's what Obama said last night in Las Vegas:(reported in the debate)


MR. RUSSERT: Senator Obama, the 2001 bankruptcy bill, the 2005 bankruptcy bill.

SEN. OBAMA: I opposed them both. I think they were bad ideas, because they were pushed by the credit card companies, they were pushed by the mortgage companies, and they put the interests of those banks and financial institutions ahead of the interests of the American people. And this is typical."

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't see what is the problem with what Obama said. I see other people, just like me, all saying the same thing.

Guess me & everyone I know is an Elitist too.

Posted by: Confused in NC | April 12, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh people, people, don't you know when you're being spun?
Clinton is so desperate, she will say anything at this point. Obama said NOTHING wrong, He was identifying, not belittling. Shame on Clinton, McCain and the media for giving it the time of day.
Obama is more in touch than either of them will ever be.

Posted by: lsigalov | April 12, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

AS A CATHOLIC MUST? Do you know ANYTHING about the people you worship with? I don't have anything about the religion in general...but the specific people I've known...the women use birth control &/or have had an abortion and the men JUST DON"T CARE!

They live with reckless abandon & then blame the women they sleep with when she gets pregnant.

Posted by: COME ON! | April 12, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

The Clintons and Republicans must be gleeful they think they now have an issue to slander Barack. Taking a candidate's words out of context and guilt by association are two trademarks of past GOP campaigns and the current Clinton campaign. The Clintons are arrogant and elitist, they believe, as Governor Richardson stated, they are entitled to the White House.

Using slander, McCarthyite, smear tactics may still deny Barack the Democratic nomination. However, millions of Barack's supporters will vote for John McCain, Ralph Nader or not vote for president this year.
How about a Clinton-Cheney ticket? Although I do not think Cheney would like Bill having far more power than he.

Posted by: Koreen | April 12, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Seala: You said you can be a Christian and believe in black liberation theology. Well, I guess that might be true if you believe that Jesus was a racist, who believed that his mission on earth was to assist black people in their fight against white people. I'm not sure how familiar you are with black liberation theology, but as I stated in an earlier post, one of it's chief architects is James Cone. He said, among other racist things: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** SEALA, do you consider a statement like this to be consistent with the message of Jesus as set forth in the Bible?

Posted by: Fred | April 12, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The problem I have with Barak's statement is that I know he sees gun ownership as a "disturbing" thing, we all know that racism is wrong, so his inference is that religion is somehow misguided too. This is marxism stated perfectly and I heard it LOUD and CLEAR.
Hillary sees things the same way, but is clever enough to keep her true views quiet.
I will continue to vote pro life, pro free market as a Catholic must.

Posted by: Ken | April 12, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm really surprised that the WOMEN on here are so upset about this interpretation of Sen. Obama's remarks. They don't seem all that offensive to me. I'm working class in Maryland (PA's neighbor).

I was MUCH more upset by McCain not correcting a supporter at his rally when they called Sen. Clinton the "W"itch word. Not to mention the almost continuous racial slurs that come from his supporters. It makes me sick!

MCCAIN is an elitist White Male PIG!

Posted by: Sophia | April 12, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Emily: I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make with your posts.

Ryan: Two points: (1) With regard to your statement "Are you then saying that if you are in support of stabilizing Iraq, you are FOR THE WAR?", the answer is no. My point was only that regarding the votes on the war after Obama entered the Senate, his record was almost identical to Hillary's. Let's face it, neither of them had the consistency of a Kucinich, for example, who actually did oppose the war from the beginning, and all the way through. (2) Regarding my statement about your video, I stand corrected. I shouldn't have taken that tone with you, and I apologize for that.

Posted by: Fred | April 12, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I got no house , no job and no prospects after busting my butt for 20 years. I been foreclosed on , laid off and stuck in the Midwest. I'm forced to move across country if I want to have a chance to start over.Darn right I'm bitter. Clinton and McShame are the ones out of touch.

Posted by: gilesjp | April 12, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

having been raised in a small southern town, i can say that, from this perspective, one's world is small...jobs are scarce, opportunities limited, and, generally speaking, the sense of hope is nonexistent for many...one finds their sense of empowerment and control in some of these things mentioned by obama...the thought that the government is paying attention, or offering solutions for said problems is not a tangible one to many, and this is not exclusive to small towns...though his remarks may be unpopular or spun to serve whomever, i'm thinking he was spot on...and, i'm thinking the impetus of his remarks was that of frank empathy, not elitist condescension.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | April 12, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Before Sen. Obama pulled me out of it, I WAS one of those working class bitter people. Antipathy was my crutch...I was to the point where I was sure NOTHING was going to make a difference. I was sick to death of hearing that yet another bill to help the lower middle class was bogged down by the additions of special interest ties, ensuring it would never pass in Congress.

Our ONLY HOPE is to rid Washington of the Special Interest groups.

VOTE OBAMA!

Posted by: Our Only Hope | April 12, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

>> "Most of the world believes Americans are obssessed with guns and religion...while we vote for people like George Bush who screw us. That's not news- and it is not a knock against guns or religion." Mary 9.25 That is one of the truest comments on this board. Guns and what other people do in their bedrooms in the nme of KKhristianity (and I am a Christian) Meanwhile the real issues are ignored. I dont care if it is Obama or Clinton. The WHOLE world will be a better place when the Democrats win. and a LOT worse off if McCain does.

Posted by: Seala | April 12, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama might want to bother to check his figures before he blasts the Clinton Administration's record in Pennsylvania the other part of his statement to S.F. affluent contributors.

From 1992 - 1999, Pennsylvania added 400,000+ new jobs and unemployment decreased from 7.2% to 4.6%. Of the last four Presidents, it was under Bill Clinton's administration that Pittsburg and Allentown Pennsylvania metro regions saw the fastest growth. Under the Clinton Administration, the number of people on welfare declined by over 300,000

The above posted stereotype by justwait of people in S.F. is just as ridiculous as hearing of Sen Obama's stereoyping people in small towns.

His insults to the Clinton Administration and what his economic policies actually meant to the people of Pa was being generous, simply dishonest. Any Obama supporter here ever bother to even listen to the disinformation shoveled by Senator Obama?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 12, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Dear Karen from Sonoma,

Why so hateful? What has Senator Obama said or done to hurt you so grievously? I suspect nothing. It is ok to like Mrs. Clinton- it's just not ok to hate other good and patriotic Americans just because you see them as your political opponents. Go ahead and vote for John McCain. He is a nice man, and so is George Bush. They both will continue the 100 year war in Iraq- and perhaps Iran, at the cost of countless lives and trillions of dollars that could have been used for education and healthcare for all Americans. Happy hating.

Thought you might like to read an article about your non-elitist Clinton's. Take care.

By Ryan J. Donmoyer

April 5 (Bloomberg)

-- Former President Bill Clinton has earned $15.4 million from billionaire Ron Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. investment firm since 2003, according to tax documents released by his wife, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

The earnings represent 20 percent of the approximately $75 million Bill Clinton earned during the same period, according to the documents. That may raise new questions about what services he performed for Los Angeles-based Yucaipa, whose investors include the ruler of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid al- Maktoum.

Tax lawyers said the Yucaipa partnership income for Bill Clinton looks to be a form of salary because it was in round numbers for most years.

``Most people who make that much money work for it,'' said Yale University tax law professor Michael Graetz, a former Treasury Department official in President George H.W. Bush's administration. ``What are they being paid for, and if it's the Sheikh of Dubai paying the husband of somebody who might be the next president of the United States, what do they think they're paying for?''

Jay Carson, a spokesman for New York Senator Clinton, said in an e-mailed statement that former President Clinton is a partner in a Yucaipa fund and ``provides his best advice on potential investments, advocates generally on behalf of the funds, and seeks to create opportunities for investors to consider investing in the fund.''

Carson didn't respond to a question about whether Bill Clinton did any work for Dubai. In 2006 Senator Clinton opposed efforts by a Dubai-based company to acquire control over six U.S. ports.

Tax Returns

The payments from Yucaipa to Bill Clinton were detailed in seven years of tax returns released by Hillary Clinton, 60, following pressure to disclose them from rival Barack Obama, the Illinois senator who made public his own returns in March.

The returns covered tax years 2000 through 2006. Hillary Clinton's campaign also released information about the couple's 2007 income, although they haven't yet filed a return for that year. Obama has yet to release information on his 2007 income.

The former president, 61, received $1 million from Yucaipa in 2003, $4 million in 2004 and $5 million in 2005. In 2006, he received a guaranteed payment of $2.5 million plus a $156,611 share of the profits. The campaign said he earned $2.75 million from partnership income in 2007.

Amounts `Odd'

``The flat amounts received from Yucaipa are odd,'' said Tom Ochsenschlager, vice president of taxation at the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, who agreed that it signaled Bill Clinton was performing a service. ``That's quite unusual.''

Previously, Hillary Clinton reported only that the former president earned ``more than $1,000'' a year from Yucaipa on financial disclosure forms she is required to file in the Senate.

In all, the Clintons earned $109 million from 2000 through 2007 and paid $33.8 million in federal taxes, the returns and campaign documents show. They donated $10.3 million of their income over that time to charities.

The bulk of those charitable donations went to the family foundation. From 2002 through 2006, $5.9 million of the $6.4 million, or 93 percent, of the Clinton's charitable giving went directly to the Clinton Family Foundation, according to the tax returns and foundation records.

Cayman Islands Funds

The tax returns indicate the couple paid all the U.S. federal taxes owed on the income from Yucaipa, which controls three funds located in the Cayman Islands. The Cayman Islands doesn't charge any individual or corporate income tax and has strict bank secrecy laws.

Bill Clinton's ties to Yucaipa have sparked controversy over the past year, including a September report in the Wall Street Journal that detailed how one of the former president's aides had helped arrange a partnership with Burkle that dissolved amid litigation over allegations of misused funds.

Yucaipa spokesman Frank Quintero didn't return calls seeking comment about what services Bill Clinton performed for the company. Forbes Magazine listed Burkle, 55, as the 91st richest American last year, with a net worth of $3.5 billion.

Bill Clinton also earned $800,000 in 2006 and 2007 as an adviser to infoUSA Inc., a data-mining company owned by Vinod Gupta, a longtime supporter.

Carson said in December that the former president ``is taking steps to ensure'' that ``there will be an appropriate transition from those relationships'' if his wife receives the Democratic presidential nomination.

Rising Income

The 210 pages of documents released yesterday chronicle the Clintons' rising income since 1999, the last year for which they had previously released a tax return. The couple earned $20.4 million last year, compared with less than $420,000 in 1999, the year before they left the White House.

The bulk of their income, $51.9 million, came from Bill Clinton's speeches, the campaign said in a summary. The former president also earned $1.2 million from his presidential pension and $29.6 million from royalties and an advance for his autobiography.

Hillary Clinton earned $10.5 million in book royalties and advances and a total of $1.1 million from her Senate salaries since 2001. In 1999, the Clintons earned $417,467, had $334,681 in taxable income after deductions including $39,200 to charity, and paid $92,104 in federal taxes.

Among other details the couple listed $250,000 in cleaning and maintenance expenses on their home for 2003 and 2004 for which they took a partial deduction for their separate home offices.

At a Democratic Party convention in Grand Forks, North Dakota, last night, Hillary Clinton said that her husband ``has made a lot of money since he left the White House doing what he loves most, talking to people.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Ryan J. Donmoyer in Washington at rdonmoyer@bloomberg.net;

Last Updated: April 5, 2008 16:46 EDT

Posted by: Emily | April 12, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Fred 10:57 PM If there is only one true definition of being a Christian -being born again then you can be a Christian and believer in Black Liberation Theology, you can be a Christian and be anti- war, be anti gun, be pro global warming. believe homosexuality is between that person and God alone But mostly and I know it seems shocking to most American christians but you can be Christian and be a left wing Socialist. Most Christians I know would vote Labour (Democrat) or Green. My country has just signed a free-trade deal with China. Whether it will be good for us is debatable but we know we will never have one with the US because of our nuclear free policy regarding ship visits. In 20 years China will own the world and you are too busy worrying about other peoples' sex lives and your gun rights to notice. What is really sad is that Bush/Cheney and the hyprocisy of your torture memos and waterboarding etc. too many people see you as only the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: Seala | April 12, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Karen, it sound like YOU just called

"those hicks back in PA are bigots gun-holding, religious zealots."

What I heard Sen. Obama say is what lots of PA residents (like myself) feel. The jobs are gone & all we've gotten is talk. I'm ready for change.

McCain is too busy catering to the rich & coming up with ANY excuse to bomb Iran (His own words).

And Hillary is most interested in getting her Healthcare plan passed. She has said over & over & over, it's her main issue.

I want someone who will enact incentives for new manufacturing jobs. Sen. Obama is the ONLY candidate looking out for 'WE THE PEOPLE'

Posted by: Our Only Hope | April 12, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Forgive us justwaitandsee, but Hillary has made a habit of blatanly misrepresenting facts about Obama....so if you are going to make "factual" claims, at least back it up with a credible new article or something.

Posted by: Ryan | April 12, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

You're being daft, rmorrow:
People don't like guns or religion becuase the economy sucks, and that's not what is being claimed. It's a strawman you are raising. They **vote** for guns and religion because it's the only thing they trust the candidates on. Candidate after candidate has come and told them the jobs would return, but they haven't. It's a matter of trust. They've been so badly battered on other, more important issues like jobs and health, that they vote on Gays, Guns, and God.

If you can't understand that that's what the Senator is saying, you're dense. But then, you're probably a 28%-er.

Posted by: Mason | April 12, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton voted for a bank-sponsored bankruptcy bill"

no actually it was Sen Obama who incorrectly voted against caps on credit card interest rates in the bankruptcy bill that was certainly in the best interest in voters in those small towns he despises.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 11:45 PM
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Please go get your facts straight....How many debates was this discussed on...Some of you people think we are idiot or at lease hoping so

Posted by: justwaitandsee | April 12, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama makes Bush look good? A President who's overseen TWO recessions and who's actions have been resulted in 700,000 Iraq civilian deaths, over 4,000 U.S troops? And flushed 700 BILLION down the toilet out of you and your childrens pockets.....

And Obama makes Bush look good? You are an airhead. Sorry, but you are an airhead. Go watch fox news!

Posted by: Ryan | April 12, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Time's are tough, but Obama is not the answer for America.He makes Bush look good and believe me that is almost impossible.

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 12:06 AM
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And The Clintons/McCain are... you sure are an idiot and you don't live SF...people from california don't think like you.

Posted by: justwaitandsee | April 12, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Dear Fred,

You are so intelligent and discerning that I thought you might be interested this article: Especially since it is about someone else named Stanley:

By Jonathan Martin

Seattle Times staff reporter

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Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, in the 1959 Mercer Island High School yearbook. She died of ovarian cancer in 1995.


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Sen. Barack Obama's father, also named Barack Obama, and mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, are shown in an undated photo.
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USA Today | Obama's grandmother blazed trails
For four years on Mercer Island, Stanley Ann Dunham impressed her high-school classmates with a wickedly sharp wit. She was an "intellectual rebel" with a fledgling beatnik sensibility that would eventually take her around the globe.

But shortly after high-school graduation in 1960 she vanished from the Seattle area, and would have been little more than a foggy memory to most -- if not for a son she had just a year later: Barack Obama.

Now that Obama's unique personal history has become part of his rising political profile, his mother's formative years in the Pacific Northwest are a little-noticed chapter. Even Obama glosses over the chapter in a single line in his best-selling biography.

Dunham, who died of ovarian cancer in 1995, is described as the "most dominant figure" in Obama's life. Obama's half-sister says Dunham remembered her teen years on Mercer Island so fondly that she wanted to attend college in Seattle. Instead, her parents took her after high school to Hawaii, where Obama was born.

"Her life showed a deep respect for intellectual rigor and perhaps an uncommon sense of learning," said Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, who lives in Hawaii.

Now that Obama is leading the fight to become the Democratic nominee for president, Dunham's classmates are remembering her again. In the Eisenhower era of poodle skirts and Ozzie and Harriet, she preferred jazz, refused to baby-sit and viewed education -- not marriage -- as the key to her future.

Few of them saw Dunham after she left for Hawaii. But they still see much of her in her famous son: her eyes, her chin, her broad-minded globalism, her intellectual rigor.

"You see her in his expressions, how he handles adulation," said Marylyn Prosser of Ketchum, Idaho, a former classmate.

"I get a sense he is grounded, and that reminds me of his mother."

Growing up on the island

As Obama has climbed the political ladder, one particular anecdote about his mother is repeated: that her father, Stanley Armour Dunham, Obama's grandfather, gave his only child his first name because he wanted a boy.

Stanley Ann went to elementary school in Kansas before her father, a smooth-talking salesman, moved his family to Seattle in pursuit of work. The family rented an apartment in Seattle's Columbia City neighborhood in 1955, and Stanley Ann Dunham attended Eckstein Middle School, according to school records.


The Seattle area, thanks largely to Boeing, was enjoying a postwar boom, and suburbs were growing as fast as the Douglas firs could be cut. The Dunhams moved to Mercer Island in 1956 to get their daughter into the newly opened high school there.

They rented unit 219 of the Shorewood Apartments, a huge new complex for middle-class families. Dunham's father worked at the downtown Seattle furniture store Standard-Grunbaum and his wife commuted to Bellevue to work as an escrow officer, according to phone directories of the time.

As a suburb, Mercer Island was still in its infancy. The 1950 census counted about 5,000 people, almost all white. Sanctioned deer hunts had stopped just a few years before the Dunhams arrived.

Stanley Ann Dunham's classmates, many of whom had lived on the island their whole lives, viewed Dunham as a novelty.

"She had a really ironic sense of humor, sort of downbeat and she was a great observer," said Iona Stenhouse, of Seattle, a former classmate. "There was an arched eyebrow, or a smile on her face about the immaturity of us all. I felt at times that Stanley thought we were a bit of a provincial group."

Intellectual clique

The diversions for Dunham and her class were solidly 1950s vintage: sock hops and sleepovers and the song "Rockin' Robin." Dunham's father drove her and friends to boys basketball games, and would embarrass his daughter with his noisy cheering.

Dunham gravitated toward an intellectual clique. According to former classmate Chip Wall, she caught foreign films at Seattle's only art-house theater, the Ridgemont, and trekked to University District coffee shops like the Encore to talk about jazz, the value of learning from other cultures and the "very dull Eisenhower-ness of our parents."

"We were critiquing America in those days in the same way we are today: The press is dumbed down, education is dumbed down, people don't know anything about geography or the rest of the world," said Wall, who later taught at Mercer Island High and is now retired in Seattle.

"She was not a standard-issue girl. You don't start out life as a girl with a name like Stanley without some sense you are not ordinary."

One respite was found in a wing of Mercer Island High called "anarchy alley." Jim Wichterman taught a wide-open philosophy course that included Karl Marx. Next door, Val Foubert taught a rigorous dose of literature, including Margaret Mead's writings on homosexuality.

Those classes prompted what Wichterman, now 80 and retired in Ellensburg, called "mothers' marches" of parents outraged at the curriculum.

Dunham thrived in the environment, Wichterman said.

She also showed her politics, wearing a campaign button for Adlai Stevenson. And despite flirting with atheism, she went to services at East Shore Unitarian church, a left-leaning congregation in Bellevue.

"Blazing new trails"

As graduation neared for the class of 1960, Dunham had hoped to join many of her classmates at the University of Washington, and was also accepted to the University of Chicago, according to Obama's memoir, the best-selling "Dreams from My Father."

But her father was restless. He found sales work in Hawaii, then newly a state. He insisted his daughter, who wouldn't turn 18 until November, attend the University of Hawaii, Soetoro-Ng said.

"She always said [Mercer Island] was a great place to grow up," said Soetoro-Ng, who now teaches at the University of Hawaii. "She found it a nice mix between civilization and the rural expression and nature."

Dunham hadn't had a boyfriend in high school, according to Maxine Box, her best friend at the time. So Box and others were stunned when Dunham wrote them to say she'd married the University of Hawaii's first African student, a Kenyan named Barack Obama. She gave birth to Barack Obama Jr. in August 1961.

"We could see Stanley, with her good grades and intelligence, going to college, but not marrying and having a baby right away," said Box, a retired teacher in Bellevue.

"I can't think of anything she said or did that would lead to such a radical thing. At that time, you practically crossed the street if you saw a black man and a white woman. Black and white didn't go together at that time."

Susan Blake, another high-school classmate, said that during a brief visit in 1961, Dunham was excited about her husband's plans to return to Kenya.

"We all had June Cleaver as our role models, and she was blazing new trails for herself," said Blake, a former Mercer Island city councilwoman.

The marriage was brief. By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill. But friends said she got overwhelmed and returned to her family in Hawaii, and formally divorced Obama Sr. in 1964.

Over the next three decades, she became a well-traveled anthropologist, working in Indonesia, Pakistan and elsewhere.

"The life that Stanley chose to live after she left [Mercer Island] is indicative of the fact that Stanley thought about what else was out there," said former classmate Stenhouse.

"She was ready for having different experiences."

Jonathan Martin: 206-464-2605 or jmartin@seattletimes.com

Copyright © 2008 The Seattle Times Company

Posted by: Emily | April 12, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

BE ON NOTICE REPUBLICANS

we will follow you to the gates of HELL before we allow you to continue to destroy our country.

CNN's response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs

Posted by: justwaitandsee | April 12, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I live 1 hour north of San Francisco in a small town near the coast in Sonoma County and I am pissed. Obama is a racist and an elitist. He looks down on anyone who actually works for a living and does not care about those who have lost their jobs in this lousy economy. He clearly hates America and although I may be located fairly close to SF, no one in CA agrees with SF's politics. I used to be a Democrat but if he is the nominee my whole family will cross party lines and vote for McCain. I will not lower my standards and vote for somone who is so out of touch with the people of America that they could hang out with the likes of Rev. Wright or say what he said about small towns in PA. What he said about PA is how he feels aobut all of us who are not making over a million like him and his wife. My oldest son lives and works in Philly and is doing very well there and he won't even vote for Obama. My middle son will vote for the first time this year and will NOT vote for Obama. We can see straight through that empty suit.
Sonoma County, CA for Clinton. If I can't vote for Clinton we will vote for McCain. In fact if the Dem's make him the nominee than there will be 4 new Republican's in my family. My husband and I have already switched to non-declared.
Time's are tough, but Obama is not the answer for America.He makes Bush look good and believe me that is almost impossible.

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Fred, I'll say only one more thing.

700,000 Iraq civilian casualties since the war began. Over 4,000 U.S troops.

Everyone in the world (except maybe Al Qaeda) want Iraq to stabilize and heal. No one would disagree with this.

Are you then saying that if you are in support of stabilizing Iraq, you are FOR THE WAR? That is a crazy argument that holds no weight.

And btw, you think because you "read" articles (opinions) that makes you more informed then people who view hard factual video evidence presented on youtube? Who is the elitist here?

Posted by: Ryan | April 12, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA RACIST, THAT'S SO FALSE, GUY HAS THE UNTITED NATIONS FOR A FAMILY.

OBAMA AN ELITE, HE WAS BROKE HIS WHOLE LIFT UNTIL HE MET HIS PAID WIFE.


OBAMA IS AGAINST LOBBYIST AND SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, YEP


OBAMA WANTS TO BRING MY BROTHERS HOME FROM THIS DUMB WAR, PRICLESS..

MY BROTHERS AND OUR FAMILY CAN'T WAIT..

ALL THE TROOPS WANT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA, BUT CAN'T..
FRIGGIN GOVERNMENT...

SIGNED SMALL TOWN PENNSYLVANIA!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear Fred,

you are so intelligent and discerning that I thought you might be interested in this.

In Senator Obama's own words"

I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton's Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I've gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world's poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners - an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.

It's a story that hasn't made me the most conventional candidate. But it is a story that has seared into my genetic makeup the idea that this nation is more than the sum of its parts - that out of many, we are truly one.

Throughout the first year of this campaign, against all predictions to the contrary, we saw how hungry the American people were for this message of unity. Despite the temptation to view my candidacy through a purely racial lens, we won commanding victories in states with some of the whitest populations in the country. In South Carolina, where the Confederate Flag still flies, we built a powerful coalition of African Americans and white Americans.

This is not to say that race has not been an issue in the campaign. At various stages in the campaign, some commentators have deemed me either "too black" or "not black enough." We saw racial tensions bubble to the surface during the week before the South Carolina primary. The press has scoured every exit poll for the latest evidence of racial polarization, not just in terms of white and black, but black and brown as well.

And yet, it has only been in the last couple of weeks that the discussion of race in this campaign has taken a particularly divisive turn.

On one end of the spectrum, we've heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it's based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend's voice up into the rafters....And in that single note - hope! - I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion's den, Ezekiel's field of dry bones. Those stories - of survival, and freedom, and hope - became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn't need to feel shame about...memories that all people might study and cherish - and with which we could start to rebuild."

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America - to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.


Posted by: Emily | April 11, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Crazy Bill: Please provide a credible source for your assertions. Thank you.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

We only get upset when we here things like NAFTA and WAR..

We small town Americans have friends and family that died and stil fighting in this War.

We cling to our Religion Yes..

We won't let our guns go, Yes..

But we are Americans that want to be heard for once!!

Obama just said he listened..

For once someone is listening to ALL Americans, Middle class and lower Middle class out of work Americans just trying to get by since we lost our jobs because of Nafta!!

WE WANT OUR JOBS BACK!!

Is that to much to ask?

Posted by: BUCK | April 11, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

There's just no guarantees in life.
And you can pressure the government to get more money from the wealthy to fund roads, schools and other infrastructure that will allow its citizens to develop new ideas, products and businesses. NOT to fund failing businesses that have already lost their ability to compete. (like whipping a dead horse) (or increasing entitlement spending with people who just use it to exist, rather than to improve their situation)
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But there _used_ to be guarantees. Once upon a time, if you worked hard and you did a good job, you knew you had a job, period. Your wife didn't need to work to make ends meet. And you could count on a decent pension. And the dollar was strong and Americans made things.

Now, we don't make as much -- we sent that overseas. We undermined unions when we let foreign automakers come here and locate in non-union states. Offshoring isn't about businesses losing their ability to compete -- call customer service for Verizon Online, you'll get the Philippines. Same for USAirways. Dish TV? India. HSBC? India. None of these companies are in any particular financial or competitive danger, they just wanted to cut costs and they didn't care if it cost Americans their jobs. Although they really, really like being in a country whose freedom is guaranteed by American soldiers. That part, they found a way not to offshore.

Pensions? Largely a thing of the past, as company after company has gotten out from under their pension arrangements. And as for entitlements, that includes Social Security, which is a benefit program participants earned over a lifetime of work (as for welfare, the ranks dropped by half after Clinton's welfare reform).

And the dollar's tanking. Because currency valuation is largely a referendum on our fiscal policy and our security, and the world is voting against both. The market's rejecting the deficit spending to continue the war and enrich defense contractors, and the market's saying we're not as secure and safe, which diminishes the premium people used to pay simply because they associated the American dollar with safety.

Obama is absolutely right -- the compact with the American worker has been broken, and people are bitter and cynical. And they're scared. Their kids are being shipped off to fight and die in a war that benefits them not one iota, and when they voted one party out and another in to get that war stopped, nothing happened.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 11, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

We want a President for the people, not for the lobbyist and special interest groups, MCCAIN and Hillary and Bill...

Obama at least talks like he cares..

Obama talks like he wants to help our country, communities and not just talk about it and do nothing once elected or get worse, BILL,BUSH, MCCAIN AND HILLARY!!

He did big things for POOR cities in Chicago!!

Obama said the TRUTH!!

People just can't handle the TRUTH anymore..

You people that are talk bad about OBAMA, are the same people that didn't care about SMALL TOWN AMERICANS..

All you want to do is STIR UP HATE..

For crying out loud, get a grip...


Small town Americans now have a voice for a change,

It Obama and his want for change..

Sorry, all the others are just jumping at the chance to get in and to get paid..

Bill and Hillary 109 Million..

Mccain and his Rich wife are worth 100 Million..

Obama is worth what 2 million..

Real Elite guy there...

Get a grip...

Posted by: hellsangels | April 11, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

RoBoTech, more out of context nonsense.
What he was saying is these people lose/have lost faith in their government & so they dig their heels into issue concerning;

1. Guns. How many people do you know that would ignore/disregard EVERYTHING else in the world just to protect and strengthen their gun ownership rights. These same people are VERY VERY pasionette about assault rifles! Los a child of yours to a mad man wielding one of these hoe bought without a background chack at a travelling gun show and you might have a second oppion about the need to "regulate" arms. Not take them away, but regulate.

2. Religion. Wow does everyone remember that Maria Shivo thing a few years back. Tell me that didn't dominate the airwarves for MONTHS and tell me religious beliefs weren't behind it.

3. Immigration. Again, a center piece for the GOP. I sure fire way to fire up the people to vote against their own economic interest because "The took der jobs"!

Posted by: Ryan | April 11, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

realitycheck
Right on! I really hope McCain and Clinton make a big stink about this. Because obama hit the nail on the head. Once again. Like he did with his opposition to the Iraq invasion. Like he did with saying if he had actionable intel on bin Laden's whereabouts in Pakistan and Musharaff would/could not act - he would. Like he did when he said he would speak to our nation's enemies as well as our friends. And like he did the other day when he asked Gen. Petreaus what conditions would look like to declare Iraq successful. etc, etc, etc. Best judgement = OBAMA

Posted by: Joyce | April 11, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton blocked our appeal for continued Health Care

. 9/11 workers need continued health care the Hillary blocked it. 5,000+ State and 3,000+ CITY workers lost the health care benefits and have appealed to Senator Clinton and she let us down. She turned her back on us.. She had the final say. We have no disabilities, no medical at all because of the loophole she voted in. We went to court and the court was swayed by the lobbyist that support Hillary Clinton's campaign. She didn't do anything to help our State's Child care benefits so we may have quality care while we are seeking jobs that will employ us with our health issues.

We need help and she isn't there for us in her own STATE.

Now she wants to campaign for Universal Healthcare!! She is a liar for votes on this issue. She will say anything to get elected... She will keep doggin OBAMA on his words of copy catting a speech..

GET REAL PEOPLE. We want Change people, not who's quoting who!! That is how low she needs to go to get votes. For goodness sake, we are not NAIVE HILLARY.

She owes the New York State and City workers their rightful Benefits, we paid for them.

HILLARY, We need healthcare NOW, you stopped it... PEOPLE DON'T SEE THIS...

The Clintons have and will always be down for the RICH LOBBYIST..

That' how Bill got elected. She get's all her money from the Lobbyist who get their way when they want a court decision swayed or a bill passed.

Hillary's campaign money is from those lobbyist.

Obama turns the lobbyist away and their money, because he doesn't want own them a darn thing for him getting elected. That's dirty money tainted with corrupt voted and power..

That's old politics' that's killing our country daily....

Posted by: crazy bill | April 11, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap! My husband used to work for a manufacturing company in Indiana. He lost his job sometime back. Now he is working as a utilities worker in a school. We are struggling but by no means are we bitter. How dare Obama make us feel so small. We may be struggling but we live our life with hope. Yes, we have not waited for him to introduce hope to us. We have had it all our lives. What a jerk!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

fzdybel: Well, I gather you insulted me, but I'm not sure how. Next time you insult me, rather than discuss the issues, at least be more explicit.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Ryan: I don't rely on YouTube videos to formulate my opinions; I actually research the issues. From an article this week:

"To hear Senator Obama tell it in Fayetteville, the home of Fort Bragg, he has never wavered in his opposition to the Iraq war.

It's true that Obama, speaking in Chicago on October 2002, opposed the invasion of Iraq. But in public statements thereafter, the Illinois senator has occasionally cast himself as a supporter of President Bush's conduct of the war and has also been at times, far off the mark in his forecasts of how specific adjustments in tactics would affect the military situation on the ground.

Early on in the war, when American troops racked up a series of major victories, Obama, as he later admitted, started to harbor doubts about his initial posture against the war. When the invasion was finally launched and U.S. forces marched unimpeded through Baghdad, Obama wrote in his memoir, the 'Audacity of Hope,' 'When I saw Saddam's statue topple and watched the president stand atop the USS Abraham Lincoln, a banner behind him proclaiming 'Mission Accomplished,' I began to suspect that I might have been wrong.'

During the 2004 Democratic Convention, Obama declined to criticize John Kerry for voting for the war saying, 'What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point, the case was not made.' The next day, Obama told 'The Chicago Tribune,' 'There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage,' and that fall, Obama echoed the president, telling Charlie Rose, 'Once we go in, then we are committed,' and adding, 'We have got to do everything we can to stabilize the country to make it successful because we'll have too much at stake in the Middle East.'

With the bombing of the golden dome mosque in Samarra, sectarian tensions in Iraq boiled over, leading to intense and bloody fighting between Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias. American troops were often caught in the crosshairs, and violence in Iraq spiraled seemingly out of control.

Thus, President Bush ordered the build-up or surge in U.S. troops which, when fully implemented by last June, helped reduce casualties among U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians by some 60 percent. But Obama predicted a completely opposite result telling Tim Russert on 'Meet The Press' 80 days earlier, 'We cannot through putting in more troops or maintaining the presence that we have, expect that the situation is going to improve.'

Senator Obama's whole point in saying he has opposed the Iraq war from the start is to cast himself as a more astute analyst of national security than Senator Hillary Clinton, his rival, who voted for the war. Yet a comparison of all 85 votes on Iraq since Obama began serving in the Senate three years ago shows he and Mrs. Clinton differed only once, on the nomination of General George Casey, the top commander in Iraq for nearly three years to become army chief of staff, a nomination which Obama, unlike Senator Clinton, supported..." (Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume," 3/19/08)

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary Clinton voted for a bank-sponsored bankruptcy bill"

no actually it was Sen Obama who incorrectly voted against caps on credit card interest rates in the bankruptcy bill that was certainly in the best interest in voters in those small towns he despises.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

A lot of posters that say that what Obama said is the truth, then go on about losing jobs and bitterness.
THAT part is true.
The sad, and quite insulting part is when Obama, gives his opinion as fact.
THAT is what makes him an arrogant Elitist.
Then:
"They cling to their, guns, religion, anti immigrant, blah blah, blah" is another "typical white person" statement. Stereotyping about 40% of the population.
And, it's just plan wrong. Why?
Because people have loved their guns LONG before the economy tanked and jobs were lost. I'd say for about FOREVER!
Because people have clung to their Religions since, FOREVER!
A lot longer than Obama has became a Siamese Twin to the nutjob Rev Wright.
Etc, etc.
I have seen three cable news shows tonight that have had "panels" discuss this issue.
All but one of the Liberal panelists had a long faced, stressed out look and demeanor.
They know this is a death knell for the Democratic Party as it won't take a couple of more things to put away Obama (and they WILL happen, the wormy can has JUST been opened, thanx to the Liberal MSM). Then they will only have Clinton left, and she's already damaged goods.
Maybe at the DNC convention, there will be a BIG surprise.
No Obama OR Clinton. Maybe they'll bring back Edwards or draft Gore.
Although Gore would be a big mistake. The first time someone says Global Warming is bogus, he'll remind us that he thinks anyone not agreeing with him is on par with the Earth is flat guys. And he'll be shown as just another Elitist Far Left Liberal.
Which brings us back to Obama.

Posted by: RoBoTech | April 11, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"Are you aware that some of us listen to a lot of spiritual advice...but then we use our God given intelligence and power of reason to make our own decisions according to our own conscience"

.... and then get up and leave or confront spiritual advise that we feel is morally wrong.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

"fzdybel: Wow, I didn't realize that you knew Elton John so well as to know how he would take such a comment. Can you get me his autograph?"

I suggest you turn off your television and pick up a book. Try one of his biographies.

Posted by: fzdybel | April 11, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the anti-Obama forces won't let matters like the facts and the truth get in the way of a good slander. But the fact is, he's 100% right.

I hope he runs that piece as his ad. He'll win in a walk. I particularly like the line about "Hillary Clinton voted for a bank-sponsored bankruptcy bill that makes it harder for Americans to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services industry". (Clinton can't ever withstand too much of the truth at any one time.)

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 11, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama is spot on, well, mostly. I know many who will only vote for a republican, because they are scared to death they will lose their guns. I also know many Christian voters who will only vote republican, because they can't get past the 'moral' issues concerning gays, abortion, and stem cell research. Obama's only partial 'misstatement' is that he believes it's because these voters are angry and bitter over the "economy, inequalities, and have lost their faith in Washington" that they vote this way. There may be some voter who do believe this way, but many vote this way, because it's simply their written-in-stone small-town mindset. I know these people very well. A lady wrote a letter to the editor of our local paper stating that she couldn't possibly vote for Obama, because he doesn't wear the American flag on his lapel, or put his hand over his heart when he sings the national anthem. Now, where do you suppose she got these rediculous ideas? There are way too many voters who think like her! These people scare me!

The pundits will have a field day with this, and you know they'll repeat over and over the out-of-context remarks. Again they will pluck the chicken clean and boil it to the bone. I'm tired of it all.

Posted by: dsn | April 11, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Fred...wow, you are so wrong. This youtube video will give you an entire timeline of Obama's position of the IRAQ, 2002 onward.

Watch that video, and then make your last claim again. I dare you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EhpKmQCCwB8&feature=related

Posted by: Ryan | April 11, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I was going to vote for Hillary because I thought she was a viable candidate for POTUS. But with all her lies and her track record of not getting anything passed in her 6 years in the NY Senate.

She wasted her vote with me..

I hate lil Bush Mccain the warmonger.

I will now vote Obama, and yes I am from a small town and I am White...

Posted by: KAREN | April 11, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

how does obama have the nerve to say that people are angry about having their jobs shipped overseas? omg i live in a former copper town and people here are just thrilled to be unemployed. as a matter of fact, we were just named the most upbeat town in america!! of course we are angry and frustrated and disgusted with all of the politicians in washington burying their heads in the sand and pretending that we all live in utopia. well let me tell you i am living the life and know how hard it is to provide for 3 my children, and pay my power bills and pay $900 premiums every month for my worthless insurance policy. like ordinary americans, i feel the pinch at the gas pumps and worry how i will scrape up tuition for two college aged kids and yes i am a small town american. i am so sick of politicians pretending that everything is rosy; i can't decide if they are that out of touch with reality sitting in their multi-million dollar homes or if they simply choose to turn a blind eye to it. obama just had the guts to say what we are feeling and everyone of you wannabe proletariates need to come and walk in my shoes for a few months - it's really not all that romantic. oh and by the way, i am a college educated white woman living in a high unemployment blue collar town and my kids are getting a college education (while also working part-time) so i guess i am an elitist. clinton and mccain would look like two characters off "the simple life" if they were moved to my town. yeah, i am pretty sure with over a hundred million in the bank, they both can "feel my pain"....whatever. and just in case you are curious, my best friend votes republican because she is pro-life, my aunt casts her vote on the issue of gay marriage and my cousin votes the NRA way so how far is barack really off on his comment?

Posted by: realitycheck | April 11, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Abqcleve,
No but you can move to Texas, Washington, or wherever the chance of a job might be a little better within this country. Its hard to make a move, takes courage and initiative, and you better have good judgement. But those are all things it takes to survive in life. There's just no guarantees in life.
And you can pressure the government to get more money from the wealthy to fund roads, schools and other infrastructure that will allow its citizens to develop new ideas, products and businesses. NOT to fund failing businesses that have already lost their ability to compete. (like whipping a dead horse) (or increasing entitlement spending with people who just use it to exist, rather than to improve their situation)

Posted by: Ed M. | April 11, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Emily Emily Emily: I've already told you that if you start out nasty, I'm not going to read your posts. If you wish to trick me into reading them, save your nasty language until the end.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

FIRED UP AND READY TO GO!

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 11, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan1978....

Are you aware that some of us listen to a lot of spiritual advice...but then we use our God given intelligence and power of reason to make our own decisions according to our own conscience?

Posted by: Joyce | April 11, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Fred,

will you just shut up please? You are so hateful and divisive. You still haven't told us who your "candidate" is. Maybe you don't have one- you just like to destroy- or try to. Not this time.

Here are Senator Obama's thoughts about Reverend Wright. Oh. I forgot, you don't want to "waste your time" with the facts. You just waste it by distorting them.

"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend's voice up into the rafters....And in that single note - hope! - I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion's den, Ezekiel's field of dry bones. Those stories - of survival, and freedom, and hope - became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn't need to feel shame about...memories that all people might study and cherish - and with which we could start to rebuild."

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years."

www.barackobama.com

Posted by: Emily | April 11, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S ALLEGED OPPOSITION TO THE WAR: Although he gave a speech against the war in 2002, by 2003 the speech was off his website. Then, on July 27, 2004, when asked how he would have voted on the war resolution in an interview with the New York Times, he said he didn't think the case for war had been made, but he didn't know how he would have voted had he had access to classified information at the time, because he was not in the United States Senate. By 2004, he was saying that "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." And by 2005, 6, and 7, he was voting for every funding bill ($300 billion) regarding the war. Indeed, since his election to the Senate, his voting record has been just about identical with that of Hillary Clinton. Then when Bill Clinton tried to correct the record regarding this issue by outlining the above by calling Obama's representation of his continual opposition to the war a "fairy tale," Obama played the race card and implied that Bill Clinton was saying that Obama's CANDIDACY was a "fairy tale."

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama an atheist?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY SUPPORTED NAFTA UP UNTIL SHE WANTED TO BECOME A PRESIDENT.

HILLARY VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR, UP UNTIL SHE WANTED TO BECOME PRESIDENT.

MCCAIN ALWAYS SUPPORTED NAFTA AND STILL DOES.

MCCAIN VOTED FOR THIS WAR AND STILL WANTS US THERE FOR 100 YEARS IF NEED BE.


OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE WAR FROM THE START.


OBAMA DOESN'T SUPPORT NAFTA THEY WAY IT IS NOW.. HE WANTS TO CHANGE IT AND HEAVY TAX THOSE TO LEAVE AND STILL WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN THIS COUNTRY..


THE CHOICE IS CLEAR!!

OBAMA 08

Posted by: BILL CLINTOON | April 11, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

ProfWrightBSU: I agree with your statements. I'm not sure how they differ from anything I've said, however.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Retired Rich said: Educated people vote Democrat. Uneducated people vote Republican. Educated people drink expensive wine. Uneducated people drink .50 cent beer. Educated people think the Iraq war is a quagmire. Uneducated people think Iraq war keeps America safe. Educated people believe stem cell research may open the key to cure many diseases in the future. Uneducated people think pig brain is a delicacy.

I would like to add one more: Intelligent people do not make generalizations about issues which are complex in nature.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Fred: Malcolm X was a 'racist' because the KKK murdered his father, and as a result of that murder his mother had a psychological breakdown and his siblings were torn apart and placed in orphanages. He blames all white people for the very real tearing apart of his family. From the men who committed that murder, to the white social workers who placed his siblings as foster children.

It took him many years to overcome that hate and to blame the men who committed that act of terrorism in his childhood rather than hating an entire people for the actions of a few.

The fact that so many Americans would refuse to vote for Barack Obama if he in fact was a muslim shows that we as a country have not learned the same lesson that Malcolm X learned before his tragic murder.

Take each person individually based on his/her own merits.

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | April 11, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Bubba rich,

Can ya tell ma whure to find sume of that their .50 cent beer.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Still milkin' that reverend Wright thing huh skinsfan1978?

How much mileage has that still got? Are you really so unoriginal & unintelligent that you can't make a real critisim about Obama's issues without bringing up Wright?

Comin', this is a public challenge for you.....Tell us all bout how you agree with one of his policies!

You've got a high school education right?

Posted by: Ryan | April 11, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Mike wrote:

Say what you want, but go to any blog and you can see who is shouting in caps, calling names and relying on ad hominem attacks.

Even liberal journalists complain that , based on the mail they receive, Obama supporters tend to be angry and immature.

The notion that liberals are intellectuals and conservatives are knuckle-draggers is laughable."

Well Mike I did go through most of the posts here and found only a small percentage of them shouting in caps... maybe a dozen or so, and excluding a few loons, they seemed to evenly distributed between libs. and conservatives.

Regarding those who are angry, immature, name-calling and rely on ad-hominem attacks... I invite you to listen to the vast majority of right wing talk show hosts in this country and the sycophants who support them or to read the commentaries in the National Review or American Spectator. The only laughable notion here is your implication that liberals are more "mean-spirited" or sophomoric than conservatives.

Webster defines Conservatism as a political philosophy characterized by:
"the tendency to oppose change in institutions and methods"

Liberalism is defined as:
"a political philosophy advocating personal freedom for the individual, democratic forms of government, gradual reform in political and social institutions"

So no, I don't think conservatives are necessarily "knuckle-draggers" as you or that liberals are necessarily intellectuals. I would however suggest that conservatives are threatened by change and that without liberals, there would not have been an American Revolution, nor a civil-rights movement, nor a Gandhi or a Martin Luther King, Jr. (I mention these last two gentlemen simply because I recall how the National Review often disparaged them using ad hominem attacks)

cheers,
thorn

Posted by: thorn66 | April 11, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Tom: I believe you are correct about Malcolm X's mother. If someone is mistaken, then it was Farrakhan who was trying to assuage his follower's reservations about Obama by comparing his story with that of Malcolm X.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Do you consider Obama's remarks as "condescending" and "out of touch"?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2082

.

Posted by: Frank, LA | April 11, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

fzdybel: Wow, I didn't realize that you knew Elton John so well as to know how he would take such a comment. Can you get me his autograph? It didn't appear that Retired Rich was trying to compliment Elton John by calling him a "fat lady." But, as you say, you know Elton much better than I.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama's words and his associations to not mesh. Obama wants to get rid of "don't ask, don't tell, claims he wants gays to receive federal benefits as a couple yet one of his spiritual advisors, the Rev. Meeks, is very anti-gay.

Obama wants the white vote but his pastor of 20 years hates whites. Obama has recently started saying he loves America, but Wright hates America.

Obama gives one speech about PA voters to rich white people but a different version to middle-America voters in Indiana.

Can anyone say, "multiple personalities"

Posted by: skinsfan1978 | April 11, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

"Malcolm X also had a white mother. Yes, Malcolm X, who hated white people with a passion until his conversion from the Nation of Islam, shortly before his murder by some of its members."

From the "Autobiography of Malcolm X:"

"Louise Little, my mother, who was born in Grenada,in the British West Indies, looked like a white woman. Her father was white. She had straight black hair, and her accent did not sound like a Negro's. Of this white father of hers, I know nothing except her shame about it. I remember her saying she was glad she had never seen him."

Posted by: tom | April 11, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

revslor: Survey USA shows HC ahead by 18% as of yesterday in Pa, up 6% since last week.
Interesting that you now trust Fox when it fits your purposes. Wait til they poll in rural N. Carolina and Indiana after this Obama debacle.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton blocked our appeal for continued Health Care

. 9/11 workers need continued health care the Hillary blocked it. 5,000+ State and 3,000+ CITY workers lost the health care benefits and have appealed to Senator Clinton and she let us down. She turned her back on us.. She had the final say. We have no disabilities, no medical at all because of the loophole she voted in. We went to court and the court was swayed by the lobbyist that support Hillary Clinton's campaign. She didn't do anything to help our State's Child care benefits so we may have quality care while we are seeking jobs that will employ us with our health issues.

We need help and she isn't there for us in her own STATE.

Now she wants to campaign for Universal Healthcare!! She is a liar for votes on this issue. She will say anything to get elected... She will keep doggin OBAMA on his words of copy catting a speech..

GET REAL PEOPLE. We want Change people, not who's quoting who!! That is how low she needs to go to get votes. For goodness sake, we are not NAIVE HILLARY.

She owes the New York State and City workers their rightful Benefits, we paid for them.

HILLARY, We need healthcare NOW, you stopped it... PEOPLE DON'T SEE THIS...

The Clintons have and will always be down for the RICH LOBBYIST..

That' how Bill got elected. She get's all her money from the Lobbyist who get their way when they want a court decision swayed or a bill passed.

Hillary's campaign money is from those lobbyist.

Obama turns the lobbyist away and their money, because he doesn't want own them a darn thing for him getting elected. That's dirty money tainted with corrupt voted and power..

That's old politics' that's killing our country daily....

Posted by: FRANKY | April 11, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I live in small town America and I have this to say to the media:

1) Don't tell me what I heard.

2) Don't tell me how I feel about what you think I heard.

Can we ask our media to please discuss facts, issues, and ideas and leave the intentions and the characters of the candidates alone? If you must project on the intentions of the poor souls who are called to run for office in the US, at least include a model that demonstrates work on one's shadow side first. Until the USA learns how to look in the collective mirror and own that which we abhor in others, we will never have a functional democracy, only a dysfunctional one, which has not worked so well for us as of late.

Obama is at least trying to step outside of the dysfunction and be a real human, without pretending otherwise.

Get off of the case of the candidates, and talk about the possible solutions to the problems. Then evaluate the solutions and let us vote accordingly.

When people think they are voting on the character of the candidate, they are easily fooled. The nation voted for Bush the first time, because they thought he was a man of character. Since then we have found out he is someone who will lie to have his way. We can't stop liars from winning, but we can vote for the best ideas, if we know what they are.

Case in point: Obama's suggestion that we allow non-binding votes from stockholders to help determine pay packages for CEO's. There's a potential solution to a VERY big problem in the USA. Please, let's get some deliberation going on something that might make a difference.

Posted by: JeriJob | April 11, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Educated people vote Democrat. Uneducated people vote Republican. Educated people drink expensive wine. Uneducated people drink .50 cent beer. Educated people think the Iraq war is a quagmire. Uneducated people think Iraq war keeps America safe. Educated people believe stem cell research may open the key to cure many diseases in the future. Uneducated people think pig brain is a delicacy.

Posted by: Retired Rich | April 11, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"Your bigoted remark about Elton John"

What a laugh. Sir Elton would be more amused than offended. You'd have had better luck trying to float the notion the poster was bigoted against musically inclined fat ladies.

Posted by: fzdybel | April 11, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"Actions lie louder than words."
Carolyn Wells

You do know that Bill still supports free trade agreements like NAFTA, no? Paid 800,000 to give one of his cherished talks about...... I'm also sure you all read the story about her campaign manager advising the Columbian government getting a free trade agreement with the U.S ushered through, no? No conflict of interest there,? ....her closets adviser Mark Penn & her husband being PRO free trade, doesn't set off any warning bells? This is the reason for the decline in manufacturing in the U.S in (most) places.

On the other hand you have McCain who wants to make PERMENENT, 80 BILLION dollars in tax breaks for the top % wealthiest of Americans (meaning not you or me).

So, lets really get to the ISSUES here.....you want to throw mud, go hang out with the rest of the farm animals.

Lets talks about reality, and not the sensationalism BS that keeps flooding the airwaves....or does that bore most people? Wanna keep fighting for the sake of fighting cause your really just bitter too?

Posted by: Ryan | April 11, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

To all of the Obma supporters who claim that he is just speaking the truth, please tell me:

That you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

I've asked this question several times tonight, but can't get an answer. This is what I heard the guy say. Can someone tell me where I am wrong?
Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:20 PM


Once again, are you kidding me.

1-In response to your question, he wasn't assaulting your religion or gun rights. He was stating what a depressed economy will do to blue collar workers and how they feel a sense of despair.

2- I just blew up your #2 question, so no need to respond here.

3-Xenophobes. That's a big word. I can't imagine what it would score in Scrabble. Interesting how an african american man could run a primary not based on race but beliefs, and yet you call him a xenophobe. I think this might be the pot calling the kettle black.

I feel bad for you. It's a shame you can't read/listen to the whole statement and form an opinion based on facts. Feel free to go count/follow sheep.

Posted by: Truth2008 | April 11, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

GOP pounces? More like pee on their pants. Obama more than answered.

Posted by: KC | April 11, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Truth: Many of us don't have to listen to another one of his speeches. We just DON'T BELIEVE HIM ANYMORE.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

This might hurt Obama, at least in Penn., which is too bad, since it was a rather innocuous observation on his part. If the prospect of McCain or Hillary being president weren't so depressing, this all might be amusing: the race to the small-town flag by McCain and Clinton. The sanctimony in this frantic effort to seize the myth, the It's a Wonderful Life image, and own it exclusively for the campaign season. Then go back to lobbying for Wal-Mart or whatever. If there weren't disappointment and bitterness throughout the land, there would have been no felt need to offer "hope" in the first place. But those who hate Obama, in the classic ridicule-of-Dem mode, won't change, and many will be won over simply because they were persuaded by the ridicule.

Posted by: Tom | April 11, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I do not understand why the media did not make a big issue, even a small issue, about how Bill and Hillary Clinton cashed in on their years in the White House. Some Democrats and independents were appalled by how Ford and Reagan cashed in after they left the White House. Why have the Clintons been given a pass on this issue? Making as much money to give a speech as the average hard working American earns in a year is about as elitist as one can get, whether it was Ford, Reagan or the Clintons. As the character in "Wall Street" said though "greed is good."

Posted by: Koreen | April 11, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

Did you watch, really watch, and listen, really listen to this video clip?

He's speaking the truth. Something our recent leaders have had a tough time with.

Posted by: Truth | April 11, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"People have to move to where the jobs are! " That's the thing, Ed M; as beautiful as I understand it can be, most folks in Scranton don't see themselves moving any time soon to Bangalore.....

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Retired Rich: Your bigoted remark about Elton John is fitting from one who supports a candidate who attends a racist church, and whose friend and and supporter, Rev. Meeks, is virulently anti-gay.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve -

"I got angry when I heard the pat little responses from Clinton and McCain, obviously pandering."

Just curious: were you an Obama supporter prior to this story? Is it possible that you get angry any time that Clinton, McCain or the media press Obama?

No reason to get angry. It's just politics :)

I appreciate that you and a lot of folks are upset about where we are as country. Frankly, when you look at our history, we are in one of the most socially and economically stable eras in America history. We have made tremendous strides in race relations and medical advances have increased American life spans across all income levels. Of course, things need to improve, but as this is America, I am confident that they will :)

Thanks for the good conversation. Nitey nite.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

>> "Most of the world believes Americans are obssessed with guns and religion...while we vote for people like George Bush who screw us. That's not news- and it is not a knock against guns or religion." Mary 9.25 That is one of the truest comments on this board. Guns and what other people do in their bedrooms in the nme of KKhristianity (and I am a Christian) Meanwhile the real issues are ignored. I dont care if it is Obama or Clinton. The WHOLE world will be a better place when the Democrats win. and a LOT worse off if McCain does.

Posted by: Seala | April 11, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

there are no do overs like Sen Obama constantly thinks he is entitled to in politics. Bet you he likes to take mulligans out on the golf course. Was Sen Kerry given a do over when he stupidly made that botched joke? Unfortunately for all of you Obama apologists here that have come out in masse tonight, words have meaning and all of your spinning and trying to rewrite his extaporaneous comments to fit the picture his supporters wants to feed us, doesn't replace his original words. Unfortunately for his campaign someone actually listened to what he said. The Huffington Post, who has otherwise shilled for Obama since last summer, and their reporter who reluctantly broke this story, was actually shocked that Sen Obama would say something that stupid. Wonder why she waited to release that tape? She claims that she was embarrased by what he said.
So go ahead and attack Arriana Obama supporters, that should give you comfort.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

DDem: You said: I don't understand how Obama can be racist when his mother is WHITE!!!

An interesting argument. On that note, when the arch racist and Jew hater Louis Farrakhan was extolling the virtues of Obama to his supporters recently, he made a point to tell them that Malcolm X also had a white mother. Yes, Malcolm X, who hated white people with a passion until his conversion from the Nation of Islam, shortly before his murder by some of its members.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I think its equally ridiculous for the folks who came from towns where the economy changed (steel towns, factory towns etc) to expect the government to step in and preserve and guarantee their jobs ("way of life") as it is for our government to keep letting the rich get out of paying a healthy estate tax. Why should the children of rich inheirit all these riches simply because they had the good fortune to be born to rich parents?
The government would go bust trying to protect the jobs in all these small towns when situations change. People have to move to where the jobs are! Its a hard thing but that's life. That's the dynamic thing about our country and what makes it healthy.
Just like the government can't afford to protect the fortunes of all these ultra-rich thru each suceeding generation without taxing. Govt. need to take a healthy share thru estate taxes! Let their rich kids fend for themselves, and make their own fortunes! They'll turn out to be better people for it.

Posted by: Ed M. | April 11, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary face up to it you lost the fat lady has sung. And her name is Elton John.

Posted by: Retired Rich | April 11, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Polls schmolls:

Poll: Clinton Leads Obama, Tight General Election Race
Wednesday, April 9, 2008 10:38AM
Atlanta, GA -- Strategic Vision, LLC, an Atlanta-headquartered public relations and public affairs agency, announced the results of a three-day poll of 1200 likely voters. The poll has a margin of error of ±3 percentage points. For the poll, 576 (48%) identified themselves as Democrats; 504 (42%) identified themselves as Republicans; and 120 (10%) identified themselves as Independent or other party affiliation.
In a head to head matchup between John McCain and Hillary Clinton, Clinton led McCain 45% to 42% with 13% undecided. In a head to head matchup between John McCain and Barack Obama, McCain led 48% to 41% with 11% undecided.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Good one aleks!
A Black Christian Muslim fanatic who hates religion. Double WOW! Not only that...he's a HOPEMONGER!

Posted by: Joyce | April 11, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how Obama can be racist when his mother is WHITE!!!
"Your to blame if you vote McCain"

Posted by: DDem | April 11, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

FOX News reports that Hillary's lead in Pennsylvania has now shrunk to 5% from an 18% lead two weeks ago. It looks like Elton was the Fat Lady who sang on Wednesday night.

Posted by: rvloser | April 11, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

FOX News reports that Hillary's lead in Pennsylvania has now shrunk to 5% from an 18% lead two weeks ago. It looks like Elton was the Fat Lady who sang on Wednesday night.

Posted by: rvloser | April 11, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

FOX News reports that Hillary's lead in Pennsylvania has now shrunk to 5% from an 18% lead two weeks ago. It looks like Elton was the Fat Lady who sang on Wednesday night.

Posted by: rvloser | April 11, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Vote GOP if you want to spend 12 billion a month in Iraq, for the next 10 years. Vote GOP if you don't want stem cell research. Vote GOP if you want to continue the Iraq quagmire. Vote GOP if you want American companies to ship jobs overseas. Vote GOP if you want lobbyists to control our government. Vote GOP if you are racist. Vote GOP if you think that guys like Bush care more for the rich then middle class Americans. Never in the history of the United States has any President ever cut taxes in time of war. Simple question to all you GOPers...why do Presidents not cut taxes in time of war? Answer: Duh! because war costs a lot of money DUUUUUUUUUH!

Posted by: Retired Rich | April 11, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

he is just speaking the truth. I don't get this ...

Posted by: josh | April 11, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

BUCK -

"We cling to our Religion Yes..

We won't let our guns go, Yes."

Well, according to Obama, the only reason you do so is because of the economy.

I appreciate your anger, but you can have those feelings without having to claim that your beief in God and the second ammendment is just a symptom of your anger.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"They took yer jobs!"
"Alright everyone, back to the pile."
"Back to the pile everyone, c'mon"

"Durk our durrr!"

Posted by: Ryan | April 11, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"No job in rural Penn wrote, "It is making us White Christians feel like it is getting worse day by day."


If you were a good Christian as you say than you would not call Hillary a big liar, fraud and will say or do anything to get elected. If you are a Democrat, than you probably voted for Bill twice.

Whenever I see someone willing to give their race and age on a blog, I have to question your credibility.
Beware of a sheep in wolf clothing.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

No Job In Rural Penn: Obama is not a Christian, as you know it. His church practices black liberation theology, where Jesus is black and his murderers are white. James Cone, the architect of black liberation theology has said: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** For verification , just Google Jeremiah Wright and James Cone; you will see the connection.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate that, rmorrow, and, as a person who lives in a mid-sized city, but grew up in small towns, I sure gulped when I turned on CNN after work and heard the snippets. I got angry when I heard the pat little responses from Clinton and McCain, obviously pandering.

Those are lightning rod topics, certainly. But, apparently like lots of folks, I recognized a hatchet job right away: it was too sensational and shrill and jarred with everything I've read and heard from Obama. It took about 15 minutes to find the source and the context.

What I've since really appreciated is the hard-hitting, non-Kerry-like response Obama gave.

I may sound smug and self-assured as Fred claims, but like most folks here, I have not seen this country this fouled up in my 50 years of life: not even during Vietnam.

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Karen Johnson -

"Obama is right."

Are you clinging to religion and guns? Do you dislike people who look different than you?

If not, I don't see how Obama is right.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

You mean in addition to being a Radical Black Christian and a Muslim, he's also dismissive of religion? Wow.

Posted by: aleks | April 11, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

BUCK -

He also said that you are "clinging" to your religion and guns solely because of economic conditions. Is that true?

Do you also dislike people who look different than you?

Just asking.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:46 PM

We only get upset when we here things like NAFTA and WAR..

We small town Americans have friends and family that died and stil fighting in this War.

We cling to our Religion Yes..

We won't let our guns go, Yes..

But we are Americans that want to be heard for once!!

Obama just said he listened..

For once someone is listening to ALL Americans, Middle class and lower Middle class out of work Americans just trying to get by since we lost our jobs because of Nafta!!

WE WANT OUR JOBS BACK!!

Is that to much to ask?

Posted by: BUCK | April 11, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

intcamd1 posts....

"So, first he bunches the Bush admin with the Clinton admin, but his scumbag surrogates expect the CLintons not to fight back."
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Why not include the Clinton administration? The Clintons were/are pro-NAFTA and did NOT establish FAIR TRADE enforcements. The outsourcing began in the nineties...right? And the Clintons made big bucks from their stock in Cisco and other companies in India and elsewhere that benefited from NAFTA.

next....
"However, Obama's bunching of religion with guns, bitterness, anti-immigration, anti-trade (talk about hypocrisy; is n't Obama fiercely anti-Nafta?), and most of all Xenophobia, is the ultimate blunder. The Repugs will have a field day with that quote till Nov 5."
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So, you're saying that the "wedge" issues have not being used to garner votes and take peoples' minds off issues that actually effect their lives and livlihoods? (e.g., How does somebody's sexual preference effect my marriage or my job security?) How do you think George W Bush got elected to a second term?!!!!

I have faith in the American people though. I think they are sick and tired of being manipulated by BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH. This is the CHANGE Obama is talking about. People are waking up to reality.

Posted by: Joyce | April 11, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

i really don't get it. Why is this comment a big deal. It's true.

Posted by: josh | April 11, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

NO JOB IN RURAL PENN -

"I am seeing only White hate on these blogs."

Can you be specific? I have wasted my whole night here and the only racial comments I have seen have been talking about white people.

Do you mean that anyone who criticizes Obama does so because he is a racist? Where is the white hate?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

i really don't get it. Why is this comment a big deal. It's true.

Posted by: josh | April 11, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right. I'm a middle class NON WORKING American and I'm bitter that my job has moved to India. Washington can't keep work FOR Americans IN America. We need a change. Hillary and McCain just don't get where WE are comming from. We need a change!

Posted by: Karen Johnson | April 11, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans and Hillary have every right to make Senator Obama look bad either by Hillary (Miss Speak)or McCain condemning the exact words he himself used earlier without a Solution to to problem being offered either time. If this is a glimpse of the Republican Plan against Senator Obama, it is an Insult to the Intelligence of Voters who have Obama ahead by every measurable indicator. This latest much to do about nothing is another false alarm by Clinton & McCain, which has backfired as usual. Stop The Drama. Vote Obama.

Posted by: Fareed | April 11, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

You people are idiots! Right now all I see is Obama telling the the truth. I would be bitter because Bush has f$@# up this country and you don't have to live in a small town to be bitter about that. If McCain is President we all deserve what we get. Mark my words McCain who is 100yrs old, will be worst then Bush.

Posted by: DDem | April 11, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Those who continue to insist we "watch or listen to the INDIANA speech" are being either disingenuous or blind to simple truth. The real tip-off to Obama's basic dishonesty is precisely in that very Indiana speech you so love to promote. Just compare the words he used when speaking to the San Francisco fundraiser filled with wealthy West Coast limosuine liberals, and the words he now uses to cover up, in the Indiana speech. In the latter he NEVER ADMITS TO HAVING SAID, "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Somehow, he leaves all of that out except the "bitter" part, and adds words he never used for the rich bunch in CA. He told them those blue-collar small town folks back in PA and the Midwest turned in their "bitterness" to cling to religion, cling to guns, cling to racism, cling to fear of immigrants. THOSE were the hateful, smug, arrogant and elitist terms he used when talking about US in small-town America, and he's now trying to spin the nastiness into a self-righeous "truth" about America.

My home town is one of those he speaks of so condescendingly, right in his home state of Illinois. A town he referred to often, even in his famous covention speech. A town he came to and promised all kinds of things HIMSELF, just as he now attacks other politicians for doing. And in the end, he did nothing. Nothing at all. This town won't have ten Obama voters in it this fall.

Those who scurry in every blog to excuse every single flaw in Obama and to exaggerate every single flaw in Clinton are not helping him. You encourage his arrogance and remoteness from ordinary people, and they are the ones he needs to becmoe President.

Shameful!

Posted by: donald169 | April 11, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Retired Rich -

Support for globalization is not solely in the GOP. The Clintons and Gore are big free traders.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

COTM,

Well said!

Posted by: pinepine | April 11, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me?. To you Hillary supporters: nice try making a big deal over nothing. This will not take the focus off of Bosnia, Bill, Whitewater,Travelgate, the stealing of the White House furniture, Vince Foster or Monica Lewinsky. Sandy Baker is probably shredding documents while I type. $800,000+ for the Clintons for CAFTA. Hillary stumping duriing Bill's term for NAFTA (you can't have it both ways. What a wonderful White House we'd have with these two going back and forth all the time). What a joke. If I'm Obama I'm putting out a commercial tomorrow with Hillary claiming to dodge sniper fire in Bosnia 3 times, and Bill telling his audience she did it once late at night which can confuse a 60 year old women. I don't want a victim (or someone who plays one for political purposes) in the White House. I want a leader and that person is Barack Obama.

Posted by: Truth2008 | April 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

FOR LACK OF SPACE, JUST A FEW OF OBAMA'S LIES: 1. his continual reference to his "Christian" faith, which is actually "black liberation theology"; 2. his lies and omissions about his connection to his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser"; 3. his lie that the Kennedy family provided the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama's father; 4. his current false ad in Pennsylvania in which he lies about taking contributions from the oil companies; 5. his alleged continual opposition to the Iraq war; 6. his denial regarding playing the race card (for which he was busted by Tim Russert); 7. his denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official about NAFTA; 8. his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; 9. his lie about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; 10. his statement that his parents met at the Selma march (when he was actually born 4 year before that); 11. his claim in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white, when both Life and Ebony say there was no such article. AND JUST A FEW OF OBAMA'S FLIP-FLOPS: 1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support. 2. Public financing Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter. 3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change." 4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation." 5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

ProfWright could you please tell us how Sen Obama voted on the John Kerry Iraq legislation, and why his fellow Ill Sen Durbin supported it, as well as a detailed explanation why Sen Obama has actually voted against every Dem bill to end the war in his young Senate career. I will be happy to post that vote for you since you are so cnvinced that Sen Obama is Dennis Kusinich on the war.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been doing a lot of back-tracking on controversial situations during his campaign. His speech was designed to stereotype rural voters and the media got it right just like the Rev Wright mess. Each time, Obama and his supporters counterattack with you misunderstood what I said. As we learn more about Obama and his wife it is obvious that they play the political game very well. If America makes the mistake of electing this man President, the question will be: How long before we lose our freedoms.

What purpose did it serve Obama to tell rich donors how he thought PA voters feel?

Everytime, Obama speaks off the cuff, we see his true feelings. The reporter waited until Friday night to drop the story to do Obama a favor. Do you think Obama would have said these things to a PA crowd (Hel! No).
Obama did not use the same words in San Fran tonight in Indiana. He had time to refine them to what people wanted to hear. This will not change the minds of Obama supporters but hopefully it will cause those that were on the fence to run away from Obama. We will soon find out in PA.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I am a 50 year old White Christian father of 4 and I really hat when people start this color hating talk.

It is making us White Christians feel like it is getting worse day by day.

I am seeing only White hate on these blogs..


Come on White Christians we are not racist hate mongers.

We are small town folk that want peace and our troops home.

Mccain will never get my vote.

Hillary is just a big liar, fraud and will say or do anything to get elected..

I really don't view Obama as a person who sees color and seems to be a very good Christian.

Until I see other wise or someone can prove me he is not a good Christian.

I will go vote for him.

I don't care about his Pastor who became to big for his suspenders.

My Pastor knows this guy and say he is not a bad guy, he just angry and needs spiritual healing..

Please if you are God fearing, Want change..

Vote Obama, Not Nafta Hillary, Bill and Mccain..

GOD BLESS US ALL..

Posted by: NO JOB IN RURAL PENN | April 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

The comments about whether what Barack said are "elitist" is one of the silliest, most trivial "controversies" of this campaign, which has been characterized by numerous truly unimportant "sound bites" on all sides. Elitists believe they and their opinions are superior to most of the people. Hillary certainly acted this way when she came up with her health care reform proposals in 1993-1994.

Three of the four presidents on Mt. Rushmore were elitists. The first six presidents were elitists. Most of the leaders of the Federalist party were elitists, especially Alexander Hamilton and John Adams.

As a supporter of Barack, I believe his comments have been substantially taken out of context and he has been slandered by the Clinton, as well as McCain camps. Nonetheless his comments were a gaffle, reflecting he is somewhat experienced as a national politician. The comments by the Clintons, fibbing about her experiences in Bosnia, are far worse though, because they raise the issue of being trustworthy, which many Americans perceive the Clintons as lacking.

Posted by: Koreen | April 11, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

rmorrow says--"...White people say that the only reason black folks are religious is because they lost their jobs? What white people are you talking to?..."

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Ohh, taking a snippet of a statement out of context there aren't we? Where did he say that? Where did I say that?

Here is his quote with one phrase changed. Do you have a problem with it now?

"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these inner cities, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The man is talking about America. While I love the fact that people think that rural America is better and doesn't have the same problems that poor inner city people do... Guess what? It ain't true. In the inner city it is cocaine. In rural America, Oxycotin and crystal meth. Crappy trailer park=crappy apartment complex. The pathologies are the same. Both have been given short shrift.

Posted by: Silver Spring. | April 11, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse


"I don't mean to lecture, but I'm pretty sure you know Obama did not make a simple correlation between guns and the economy, as your question would have it."

In a way, I agree. I don't think that he intended to say what he did. I think that he was trying to say that a lot of small towns have been crushed by globalization and that a lot of folks feel like the government mad it happen. I personally think there is a lot of truth in that. He even could have gotten away with the xenophia statements.

Where he got into trouble is when he brought the guns and religion thing into it. That was a off the cuff remark, but I think it gave a good insight into his own feelings about what drives people to still embrace guns and religion. A lot of liberals are baffled by this, but they aren't running for President.

I think Obama is a good guy. I just think his views on guns and religion are strong and out of step with a lot of voters.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I can't explain how you can accept things like this, don't people have dignity, how can you accept when somebody is insulting you and your community. Have some dignity, you can't explained the unexplained, defend your town, and your people and you be proud of yourself.

Posted by: norma | April 11, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

By the time I was 18, I had owned about a dozen guns. Used to hunt pretty much daily, during the various hunting seasons. That's how we got our protein. As for religion, I did the whole Methodist bit. Read the Bible front to back several times, went to Bible School and Church every Sunday. Wasn't much else to do there....

Posted by: tom | April 11, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead people elect another republican and have all the manufacturing jobs go overseas. Go ahead elect another "oil man" for President and have them make record profits while enjoying great tax breaks. Go ahead vote GOP and stop stem cell research. Vote GOP and have an endless support of the Iraq quagmire. Answer just one question. How do you "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" by keeping them in Iraq year after year after year? DUH! I don't get it.

Posted by: Retired Rich | April 11, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

It is incredible that someone with such condescension toward American people, who's wife and spiritual mentor hate the very existence of America as a country and a nation can be seriously put forward by the Democratic party as a presidential candidate.
This is not just about Barack Obama, a lickspittle little liberal riding the color of his skin to national prominence. This shows every American how little the Democrats as a party think of them; how much the Democratic party holds America and Americans in contempt.

Posted by: derekN | April 11, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters now have about the same amount of credibility as he does, namely zero.

Its over for Obama.

Posted by: NOBamaForUS | April 11, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm a diehard Clinton supporter. She's rough around the edges sometimes, but I think her heart's in the right place. It's just a gut feeling I have. I don't think Obama is a bad person, just too inexperienced for the top job. He was just reflecting the thoughts of urban, educated liberals. They are not necessarily bad people either.

Posted by: John | April 11, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Two take aways from Obama's comments--first is his incredibly arrogant and baseless assertion that he has what it takes to do a better job with the economy than Bill Clinton did. Really, read it again--he dissed Bill Clinton on the economy. Remind me--does Obama have a single shred of experience when it comes to the economy? I don't think his experience teaching law to 22 year olds is going to be of much help.

Second--here is a window on how Obama thinks:"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations"

His wife Michelle says our souls are broken and that Barack is the only one with the capacity to heal this country.

Obama--I for one don't appreciate your diagnosis and don't want your cure. Go heal yourself. Clearly you have some issues.

Posted by: NJH | April 11, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Watching this campaign has been a lot like watching a train wreck. I want to turn away but just can't rip my eyes from the coming catastrophe. McCain will likely have us even more entrenched in Iraq and possibly at war with Iran before he completes a first term. Hillary is convinced that she knows what is good for us whether we like it or not and will ram whatever hair-brained idea she comes up with down our throats (while pinned down in Bosnia by sniper fire). At least Obama is telling it much like it is. Or maybe, just maybe, all those folks in small-town America are tickled to death by the disappearance of jobs that pay a living wage, empty promises by administration after administration, and being pushed to the sidelines, taxed to extinction, marginalized and taken for granted until somebody else blows into town wanting their vote. And people are really jumping into the fray over his reference to religion. Well, religion covers a lot of different philosophies, people. There is no one religion. Or maybe Warren Jeffs and all of his followers in the FLDS (like the ones just busted in Texas) represent mainstream America. Just fall in line folks. Don't ask questions. Don't criticize. Don't step out line. Just drink the Kool-aide and it will all be okay.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Ed M. -

Trying to change the subject? What does any of that have to do with the subject we are discussing?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

somehow I mistakenly thought that Howard Dean was reaching out to rural gun owners and religious voters. This statement just wiped out 3 years and millions of dollars expended by the dnc. I am working on local Democratic Texas races and I truthfully hope that if Sen Obama survives this that he does not campaign for one minute in the state of Texas. Please stay away from Texas, Sen Obama,you do not share our values.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I forgot to explain. "Jerkwater" wasn't used as a pejorative in the above post: it was a literal description of the purpose of the town. It used to have a water tank along the railroad, with a moveable spout operated by a rope. Jerk the rope and the spout comes down and puts water into the boiler of the locomotive. Hence, "jerkwater."

Posted by: tom | April 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

You're flattering yourself a bit much, rmorrow. There are tons of really insightful, heartfelt, intelligent responses here. Like jac13 right above you. There are intelligent responses on all points of the spectrum here tonight; unfortunately, there's some of the usual chaff as well.

Debra said it exceedingly well, above: "when you can't trust Washington or politicians to help make things better and you've become bitter that any of them will ever work for you, you will cling to that which is comfortable and safe. And when politicians won't improve your chances for a job with decent health care, they will scare you into thinking you should be voting because the opponent is going to take away your 2nd Amendment rights or because they are going to bring you gay marriages. "

When you distort what Obama clearly said to frame a question like, "do you really feel that your gun owners in your town would not be so if the economy was better? Would their religious beliefs any less sincere?" I think you must know better. You're obviously intelligent.

I don't mean to lecture, but I'm pretty sure you know Obama did not make a simple correlation between guns and the economy, as your question would have it.

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

To the person who griped that Obama got 25% of his campaign money from the rich: How much has John McCain received from the rich? He himself is spoken of as the richest man in the Senate.
Not that some people shouldn't be entitled to be rich, thru skill, industry and savy, but lately its gotten rather extreme, with the ultra-rich just getting more and more. No rhyme or reason to it except greed. The worst are the children of the rich, not the ones who actually accumulated it thru intelligence, skills and hard work, but those who were simply born into it.

I used to think that McCain was a free thinker (when he ran against Bush the first time) but since I've discovered that he's pretty much a machine man, a party man. Ascribing to most of the main tenents of the party. Neither party seems to evolve and change with the times much and I'm sceptical all around but one thing I do know: Going into Iraq was a huge blunder that will cost us big-time. The Rebublicans deserve to take a hit for this.

Posted by: Ed M. | April 11, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

tom -

So in your "jerwater" town, they really don't like their guns? They are just clinging to them because of the economy?

Do they have no genuine faith? Or are they just clinging to it beacuse of the economy?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

BUCK -

He also said that you are "clinging" to your religion and guns solely because of economic conditions. Is that true?

Do you also dislike people who look different than you?

Just asking.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." so spake Sen Obama.

So, first he bunches the Bush admin with the Clinton admin, but his scumbag surrogates expect the CLintons not to fight back. If the Clintons say anything back, they are promptly labeled racist.

However, Obama's bunching of religion with guns, bitterness, anti-immigration, anti-trade (talk about hypocrisy; is n't Obama fiercely anti-Nafta?), and most of all Xenophobia, is the ultimate blunder. The Repugs will have a field day with that quote till Nov 5.

Bye Bye Nobama.

Posted by: intcamd1 | April 11, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in a "jerkwater" town in central Nebraska. Along the main line of the Union Pacific. The town existed to supply water to the boilers of the steam locomotives on the UP. Once the UP went diesel, there was no reason for the town to exist. Still isn't. A few folks [fewer than 500] eke out a meagre living selling groceries and fenceposts to the neighboring farmers. Obama pretty well describes the culture of desperation that pervades those places. They may not like it, but he's right! And in the rest of the speech, he talks about how to address it. Too bad nobody will ever hear the rest of the speech....

Posted by: tom | April 11, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Small town America is a great place to retire not to earn a great living. To often small towns suffer the one and only closing of the one and only factory supporting the town. Go ahead people elect another Republican and lets send all of our manufacturing jobs overseas. GOP love CEO's not the middle class. Anyone that thinks republicans will not ship more jobs overseas so companies can have a greater bottom line. Start reading a book and informing yourself with facts not fiction that you watch on FOX tv.

Posted by: Retired Rich | April 11, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Fred, you didn't finish her speech. You forgot the part where Hillary voted FOR the war. Having said that, her vote for the resolution is clearly based on Bush's administrations LIE rather than Hillary being a co-conspirator in that lie.

...Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | April 11, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

This is Hillary Clinton: Whitewater, Travelgate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster's office following his suicide and before investigators could get there. Her stalling to release her earmark requests from her time in the Senate, as well as her Clinton library donors. Her sell out apology to the African American community (for her campaigns racist comments) which came days too late. Her decline to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at International Profit Associates, or IPA accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record. Lets not forget her campaign eventually returned some $850,000 to Hong Kong businessman Norman Hsu who was found to be a fugitive in a 15-year old theft case. He was indicted for fraud related to his campaign contributions in 2007. Her failed inclusion and diplomacy with congress on her universal health care bid. Her subsequent surrender and alignment to the health care industry. Her disguise on NAFTA and all free trade agreements. Her conscious vote for war in Iraq. Her blatant flip flop on Florida and Michigan. Her repetitive lies about Bosnia. Her exaggerated foreign policy experience. Her dealing the race card better than Republicans could. Clinton photo and prayer breakfast with Rev Wright. Clinton photo with Rezko. Her failure to get the endorsement of close friend Bill Richardson. Her miserable failure to manage her own campaign. Her charlatan flip flop on pledged delegates and superdelegates by encouraging party elite to vote against the will of the people - "I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it's time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president." - Hillary Clinton in 2000

Posted by: Matt | April 11, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

When is Obama going to hit back where it really hurts and accuse these people who are attacking him with accusations which would not stand up in a court of law that they are bearing false witness?

Posted by: Joe | April 11, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve -

Hmmm. Can you provide more specifics on why my questions are falsely framed? I disagree.

Also, are you going to take me up on my offer to address the specific part of Obama's speech that you implied I was ducking?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve: I love how you speak for everyone on the blog. You must be an awfully important person. Can I tell my friends that I know you? Give me a break. Why don't you address the issues, rather than just insult those with whom you disagree?

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

wow the exPresident who served this country well and bettered the economic lives of millions of those Sen Obama insulted makes a lot of money giving speeches, oh my gosh isn't that horrible; he makes more money then your pretend President. SO WHAT

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

At first I heard this story about Obama saying bad things about small town Americans.
Then I had to take a step back and say wait, did he just say this in a bad way?

Then I listen to it again.

He said that he was listening to small town Americans talking about beign bitter..

By goly jeepers...

Someone actually listened to us and is talking about us small town Americans..

Wow! And peopleare hating this guy..

I will now vote for someone who finally listen to us and remember us small town Americans..

I now like this guy..

Go Obama!!

No Bosnia stories or Warmonger here..

Just a plain ole Black American that listens..

Weird, but
Refreshing.......

Posted by: BUCK | April 11, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Emily -

Thanks for the response. I appreciate that you are actually living in a town that so many of us are claiming to understand from the cities.

That being said, do you really feel that your gun owners in your town would not be so if the economy was better? Would their religious beliefs any less sincere?

I am the semi-rare conservative who lives in the city. Most of my closest friends are liberal. They tend to think that religion and guns are artifacts of a primitive culture. My own impression, after hearing Obama's comments, is that he feels the same. Doesn't make him a bad guy, but its not a very tolerant attitude.

Thanks for the intelligent response! it's like finding a needle in a haystack here.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Telling the truth always carries a price. His comments were very insightful and, if you cut through all the phony outrage coming from Clinton and McCain -- who are blatantly pandering to small-town people -- what comes through is that he really has taken the time to give these issues some thought and to try to understand people's bitterness and frustration. Good for him.

"OBAMABOT DISCLAIMER" - I'm a 60-year-old white professional, father of two and grandfather of one. I do not drink koolaid and have never belonged to a cult. This guy is such a breath of fresh air. It's just too bad he gets pilloried for seeing -- and speaking -- the truth.

Posted by: jac13 | April 11, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Dear Fred and rmorrow,

I hope this doesn't read too harshly to you. The reason most folks ignore you is because of a nasty habit you have of distorting statements to fit the "truth" you want to hear. Fred, I truly appreciate the energy and time you commit to your posts, but few buy your premise, for example, that Obama is in any way tainted by oblique, third-hand association with Dr. Cone. Rmorrow (that wouldn't be of Northern Exposure infamy, would it?), no one answers your questions because they (like Hannity's favorite trick pony) are falsely framed. I expect you think you're distilling things to a "hard truth," but in doing so, you've utterly distorted the obvious, original empathetic meaning.

Hope you both aren't disappointed.

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Anon: Why should Obama apologize to CLINTON? She's the one trying to slander him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow
Watch and listen. He's on your side. Remember, Bush and Clinton make far more $$$ than Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Do people in small towns like guns? No! they love them. Do people in small towns go to church on Sunday? What else is there to do in a small town on Sunday...DUH! Do people in small towns like a cold beer? Yes and not just one....many many cold beers. Give a small towner a choice between a cold beer and a Chateau Mont Claire Merlot 2002 and which one would they choose?

Posted by: Retired Rich | April 11, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

OUCH! It was one thing when Michelle Obama said she was now proud of her country for the first time. OOPS! It was one thing when Rev. Wright said God Damn America. OOPS! After all, these weren't the comments of Senator Obama himself.

But now, Obama himself has exposed the audacity of his hope. He hopes those working class dems are as dumb as he thinks they are so they will disregard what he thinks of them and elect him President.

Posted by: magellan1 | April 11, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

RMorrow,
Come on fellow, I'm sure you have some analytical ability to figure out what he was saying and if not then listen to the clip above. What he said was that when you can't trust Washington or politicians to help make things better and you've become bitter that any of them will ever work for you, you will cling to that which is comfortable and safe. And when politicians won't improve your chances for a job with decent health care, they will scare you into thinking you should be voting because the opponent is going to take away your 2nd Amendment rights or because they are going to bring you gay marriages. And you vote out of fear against those that are different from you (immigrants). Really, I know you can figure it out.

Posted by: Debra | April 11, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure CNN (CLINTON NEWS NETWORK) and Fixed News channel to pounce on this.

Posted by: cj | April 11, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

once again I ask why the Obama supporters most who have never been to this blog are suddenly out in mass tonight spinning themselves crazy trying to justify what they would certainly crucify if it came out of the mouth of HC. And those same Obama apologist who will stand by absolutely any outrageous comment their candidate makes, period end of story know they would be here crucifying HC if she had made those kinds of statements a week ago and simply sat on this story until the Huffington Post outed your campaign.

Once again Hypocrisy rules.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"Instead of apologizing for offending small-town America, Senator Obama chose to repeat and embrace the comments he made earlier this week."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: No More Politics As Usual | April 11, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Put simply, Hillary is not saying folks shouldn't be bitter, they just shouldn't be called bitter and otherwise belittled. Words do matter. But chill, folks, it's just politics, will recede by tomorrow.

Posted by: John | April 11, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

This entire article confuses the heck out of me. All he said was people are angry and bitter because our elected officials don't pay attention to our needs, and that the economy sucks, and people have seen their jobs shipped overseas.

I see nothing condescending or elitist about anything he said. I don't see what the big deal is. And the republican spokesperson is a nutter. He must think we're all stupid. "He thinks he knows your hopes and fears better than you do" PUH-LEASE! Tucker Bounds, you think you know us better than we do. Well I for one am not a fiddle to played. I'm intelligent enough to decide for myself whose full of it and who isn't...and you sir are full of it!

Posted by: confused and angry | April 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not electable as our president, his racial, religious, and class biased ideas make him not suitable for any important government post. As time goes on, the true character about Obama begins to leak out, and it is not pretty. We have already been fooled by Bush from the far right, now we are just about to be fooled by Obama and Howard Dean from the far left. God help us, let Hillary have a chance to save us.What Obama just said about the small town middle class people is anti-American, unpatriotic, most important of all should not be out of the mouth of a potential presidential candidate.

Posted by: johnycheng | April 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Here we go, since HILARY/MCCAIN will be president, people PREPARE for WAR with IRAN. You might bring back the draft, because you need it.

Posted by: alex | April 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay, people. Watch this clip, then tell yourself he's is not on your side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

If you're still in doubt, well, I feel very sorry for you.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | April 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve -

"By my count, you've asked them a dozen or more times in the past hour. So, let's ask you to answer your own "questions," you sly old Hannity emulator, you. Watch the Indiana video yet (transcription by Joyce--THANK YOU!--above)? Do you want to explain one part of that response that you think doesn't get right at the heart of the problem?"

Can you be a little more specific? I don't want to guess and have you tell me I am on the wrong part.

As for ansering my own questions: No, I don't feel that way about small towns, but I do think Obama does and I think that is what came out today.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay, people. Watch this clip, then tell the world Obama is not on your side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

If you still doubt he's on your side, well, I feel sorry for you --- because you will get duped.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | April 11, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

We want a President for the people, not for the lobbyist and special interest groups, MCCAIN and Hillary and Bill...

Obama at least talks like he cares..

Obama talks like he wants to help our country, communities and not just talk about it and do nothing once elected or get worse, BILL,BUSH, MCCAIN AND HILLARY!!

He did big things for POOR cities in Chicago!!

Obama said the TRUTH!!

People just can't handle the TRUTH anymore..

You people that are talk bad about OBAMA, are the same people that didn't care about SMALL TOWN AMERICANS..

All you want to do is STIR UP HATE..

For crying out loud, get a grip...


Small town Americans now have a voice for a change,

It Obama and his want for change..

Sorry, all the others are just jumping at the chance to get in and to get paid..

Bill and Hillary 109 Million..

Mccain and his Rich wife are worth 100 Million..

Obama is worth what 2 million..

Real Elite guy there...

Get a grip...

Posted by: HELLSANGELS | April 11, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Sandra = Misandrous femocon idiot.

Posted by: captainkona | April 11, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"You guys keep glossing over the part that offended most people: the claim that the religious faith and gun rights views of small town are not informed or genuine." rcmorrow.

Hello,

Senator Obama did not say these things that people cling to are the rsults of not being "informed," ot that they are not "genuine" fears. Heck, just listen to Lou Dobbs on CNN and you will get much of the same type of conclusions- especially about immigration. What he said was this,

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Senator Obama is saying that people must have some way to explain their frustrations. I lived in a small town in Indiana for over 20 years, and I can tell you that I've heard all these sentiments expressed many times by very good and intelligent people.

Barack Obama is not criticizing, he is trying to say that there is another way to actually solve the problems of lost jobs, and that is by stopping the fat cats from locating overseas by stopping their ability to avoid paying taxes, and by making them give fair labor conditions to their employees wherever they are located. He just wants a level playing field for American workers. This "elitist" attack is just a trick that his opponents will use to smear his character and avoid talking about the real issues. 1. Getting out of the costly and crazy nightmare in Iraq. 2. Jobs for Americans. 3. Getting the best Education possible for our children. 4. Making affordable healthcare available for all Americans.5. Restoring our decaying infrastructure that is falling apart. Name calling will just keep the same forces in power.

. Not this time. Barack Obama 2008

Posted by: Emily | April 11, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Jan E: Do you agree with Obama's theology? The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called "black liberation theology." Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of "theology." Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** These statements, and this "theology," are fundamentally racist and divisive. The fact that Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years speaks volumes about his character and judgment, and flies in the face of his pronouncements about his ability and intent to "unite" this country.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scj | April 11, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Michael -

"There was nothing at all insulting to small-town America in what he said -- just the truth."

So (once again) you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

I didn't realize that so many folks held small towns in such contempt.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

AJ: If you think media folks all make $400K per year, you are sadly mistaken. The folks you see on TV might make that money, but your average WaPo beat writer lives in a condo with his/her roommate and showers at the local gym to cut down on the water bill.

Fred: My vote has yet to be secured although I am leaning in Obama's direction. I'm more of a Jack Kemp Republican than a McCain Republican, and McCain really dissapointed me with his Iraq vote. The one time the 'maverick' should have stood in opposition and he lamed out!

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | April 11, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

rmorrow: You will NEVER get an answer to your question, because a truthful answer does not support the image that Obama fans have of their messiah. Many Obama supporters cannot face the truth about their candidate, period. They began supporting him when they knew nothing about him, and now that they've invested so much of themselves in the "change" he pretended to represent, there is just no turning back for them. No, they will not let information which does not support their image of this man intrude upon their dreams. I blame Obama for this, more than his supporters. He knew he was perpetrating a terrible hoax on the voters of this country from the start. He knew the kinds of ruthless tactics he had used from the beginning to jumpstart his political career. He knew about his dubious associations and how they flew in the face of his calls for "change" and "unification." He knew about the racist theology to which he subscribed for 20 years, and how destructive such ideas are to the progress of race relations in this country. No, I do not place primary blame for our current unfortunate situation on his supporters; I place it squarely on Obama, who has shown an almost criminal lack of concern about the damage his tactics have done not only to the Democratic Party, but more importantly, to relations between the races about which, ironically, he professes to care so much.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

From DD --

ELEVEN buildings in your district, and you didn't know about the problems? Or was it that, given a choice between helping your constituents or taking "fixer" money from Tony Rezko, you chose the latter?

Here's what your constituents put up with before those buildings were foreclosed and shut down (leaving your constituents without a roof over their heads):

L]et us listen to constituents of Obama who resided in Rezko's tenements. Here is Joann Larkins, a resident of a dilapidated Rezko structure just eight blocks from the palatial mansion Obama jointly purchased with Rezko:


Mrs Larkins, 51, lives just seven city blocks away, in a district where posters advertise "dirt cheap properties" and "foreclosure advice". She moved there almost a decade ago, taking a subsidised apartment with her 20-year-old daughter and one-year-old grandson in a building that had fallen into neglect when run by Mr Rezko.

The family boiled water on the stove and draped plastic sheeting across the windows in an effort to keep warm during the city's bitter winters, as the heating was not working. Rubbish piled up uncollected and repeated requests for basic repairs were ignored.

"It was a terrible place to live: there were a lot of drug dealers and people fighting and getting shot," Mrs Larkins, a widow who receives invalidity benefit, told The Sunday Telegraph.

"The owners never took any interest in the place; they just wanted the rent money. We had to call the city just to get the garbage collected."

The 44-apartment complex was one of 30 low-income housing projects run by Mr Rezko and his partners with funds from the city during the 1990s. By early this decade, many were boarded up as bills and mortgage payments went unpaid, but Mr Rezko moved into the fast-food business, while tenants like the Larkins struggled with the legacy of his management.


Janet Jenkins, a neighbor of another Rezko property in Obama's state Senate district, also witnessed squalor and crime:


Janet Jenkins witnessed the deterioration of one building that Rezmar co-developed with the Chicago Urban League a dozen years ago. Today, the 12-unit building at 62nd Street and Rhodes is boarded up. And she's glad.

"Oh, absolutely,'' said Jenkins, 57, who lives a few doors south of the building. "That building has been a problem to this block for years.

"We had numerous complaints. Drug selling. Prostitution. The whole nine yards. Filthy. Deplorable. Rats. Mice. Roaches. Urine. Feces. Name it.''

Posted by: Can Chicago Obama ever tell the truth about anything? | April 11, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I've asked this question several times tonight, but can't get an answer. This is what I heard the guy say. Can someone tell me where I am wrong?
Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:20 PM
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By my count, you've asked them a dozen or more times in the past hour. So, let's ask you to answer your own "questions," you sly old Hannity emulator, you. Watch the Indiana video yet (transcription by Joyce--THANK YOU!--above)? Do you want to explain one part of that response that you think doesn't get right at the heart of the problem?

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

If this is the best Clinton and McCain can come up with to attack Obama, they are both in deep trouble. There was nothing at all insulting to small-town America in what he said -- just the truth. The feigned outrage of his rival campaigns is what's truly insulting -- insulting to our intelligence.

Posted by: Michael | April 11, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

cj: "I have a feeling Hilary is Gay, why else would she be married to Bill, they really don't have a marriage it's all based on power. So is she a closet lesbian? Not that there is anything wrong with having a lesbian president, but not her, anyone but her."

You might have a point.

Posted by: jo | April 11, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Fred says about Obama "Before he is finished, he will have destroyed the unity of the Democratic Party; he will have set race relations back 50 years;" MY GOODNESS!! the first serious Black candidate in this country's shameful racist history with a real chance of getting elected to the presidency is a real SET BACK to race relations in this country!! What planet are you living on!! Which twisted and convoluted logic you subscribe to!! What blindness of the heart and mind would drive you to make that conclusion!! God help you and this country!!

Posted by: Jan E | April 11, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Better to be rich and live life to the fullest. Then to live poor and in a small town. How many of you people married the first person you ever kissed? Try something different take a chance at a politician like Obama that speaks the truth. Stop listening to liars like Rush and Hannity. Get educated with facts not lies. If you want to extend the war in Iraq vote MCCain. If you want to plunge this country into a depression vote McCain.

Posted by: Retired Rich | April 11, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

If you cannot see all the differences in obamas speaches People It written on the wall. you will get what you deserve if you elect him.

Posted by: Dolores verges | April 11, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Debra -

"If you watch Obama and don't say he's got it right, then you must be part of the 27% of Americans who STILL think President Bush is doing a great job."

So (once again) you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

Anyone care to take up the challenge? haven't had a single taker yet.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous said: HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.

This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980's when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom.

However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.

If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

silverspring -

"Obama speaks the truth about the reality of what has been happening in small towns across America."

So (once again) you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

I'm serious. Am I misunderstanding you?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

It might help some of the 'wise' people on this blog to actually listen to what he said. It's right here on the blog, so you can get to it without killing yourself.
If you watch Obama and don't say he's got it right, then you must be part of the 27% of Americans who STILL think President Bush is doing a great job.

Posted by: Debra | April 11, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Hillary you might as well join the republicans you are doing their work for them.

Posted by: John | April 11, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I understand exactly what he's saying! I've been bitter and frustrated and angry for years about the mess our country is in. Jobs are being shipped overseas, people are losing their homes, it's getting harder and harder just to eke out a living.We're in a stupid war that's cosintg us billions! Aren't some of you angry??? We're so used to politicians dazzeling us with b.s. that it's hard to hear the truth isn't it?

Posted by: linda | April 11, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I'll vote for Obama cause his words are what alot of us think about NAFTA. Don't believe? Come visit our towns in small town Pennsylvania. And evryone's talking about how the rich Clintons betrayed our unions, most of all Bill.

Posted by: Working Class Voter from Pennsylvania | April 11, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I stopped checking The Fix a few weeks ago because it smells of GOP troll warfare. Worthy debates seemed to have vanished.

So, it's been a while. Thought I'd check back. Nope. Worse than ever. I guess the WaPo's been bought out by Murdoch and Fox.

As for this story, if you read and listen closely, Obama is actually standing up for the average American. And, remember, Bush and Clinton have much more money than Obama -- and are much further away from the average Joe lifestyle.

I can't wait until this is over.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | April 11, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"HELLO MO'RON WE WHITE SMALL TOWN MEN HAVE WOKE UP.."

That is your response? And I am the 16 year old?

It make me sad that anyone north of 16 years old would call me names while shouting at me at all caps. Of course, Obama better hope so. It would be a shame if his most vocal supporters were too young to vote :)

Are there any Obama supporters capable of answering my questions directly? You can call me names while you do it, if need be.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

It is becoming increasingly unlikely that I will be able to vote for Clinton; she simply lacks the character we need in a President. These constant attempts to deceive and obfuscate and play gutter politics have worn out my tolerance. It McCain all the way for me, if Hillary is my only other option.

Posted by: tomojensen | April 11, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't blame Obama. Let's face it. The truth hurts. Obama speaks the truth about the reality of what has been happening in small towns across America. People are losing faith in the goverment. Blame Clinton and Bush for outsourcing jobs oversea.

Posted by: silverspring | April 11, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

TERRE HAUTE, INDIANA - At a town hall meeting in Indiana, U.S. Senator Barack Obama made the following comments in response to the Clinton and McCain campaign's attacks:
"When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what's worse is when people are expressing their anger then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened - I want to make a point here today.

"I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how're you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What's going on there? We hear that's its hard for some working class people to get behind your campaign. I said, "Well look, they're frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they've seen jobs shipped overseas. They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.

"And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we're going to make your community better. We're going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they're bitter. Of course they're frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody's going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement-- so, here's what's rich. Senator Clinton says 'No, I don't think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack's being condescending.' John McCain says, 'Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he's obviously out of touch with people.'

"Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain--it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I'm out of touch? No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on. I know what's going on in Pennsylvania. I know what's going on in Indiana. I know what's going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that's why I'm running for President of the United States of America."

Posted by: Joyce | April 11, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 11, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I just watched the video of his response. WOW! This guy is good. How old is this story?? 90 minutes maybe. He may have some damage from from that fund raiser speech in S.F. but he more than likely picked up just as many votes with his response. He put that right back in McCain's and Clinton's faces.....Backfire anyone!

Posted by: johnny b | April 11, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

To all of the Obma supporters who claim that he is just speaking the truth, please tell me:

That you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

I've asked this question several times tonight, but can't get an answer. This is what I heard the guy say. Can someone tell me where I am wrong?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Here is how he explains it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow


If we do not elect this guy to be the president, this country is in more trouble years to come.....

Posted by: danielthed | April 11, 2008 10:15 PM
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Thank you, danielthed!

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Dave the white guy -

"Jeeesh.. He told the truth PEOPLE.."

So (once again) you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?


Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:03 PM

I AM GLAD YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ AND COMPREHEND YET.. WHAT ARE YOU 16 YEARS OLD..


HE SAID WE HOLD TO OUR RELIGION AND OUR GUNS...

BUT OBVIOUS YOUR HATE TRIPS YOU INTO YOUR ARSE AND YOU CAN'T FIND YOU WAY HOME...

OBAMA HAS SAID HE UNDERSTANDS...

HILLARY SAYS SHE WILL VOTE DOWN NAFTA, LIKE A PRESIDENT WILL EVER DO THAT WITH ALL HER FRIENDS, SUPPORTERS AND HUSBAND CHAMPIONING IT AND STILL SENDING OUR JOSB AWAY AS WE SPEAK...

HELLO MO'RON WE WHITE SMALL TOWN MEN HAVE WOKE UP..

OBAMA 08'

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I guess Hillary Clinton is a Republican you lib hacks.

Posted by: Ike Markz | April 11, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting for Obama's head to actually fall off his shoulders one of these days from all of his spin.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | April 11, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve: You are correct.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Call me out of touch, but I think a) most of the posts here are hits from an army of GOP; b) Obama makes FAR FAR LESS $ THAN CLINTON OR BUSH and is from HUMBLE MEANS so he's actually more in line with us average folk; c) he's actually standing up for middle America.

When I saw the Wright story break, I thought to myself, "uh-oh. This is ugly." But this story confuses me because it isn't insulting at all. It seems a non-story spun to dizzying heights.

For me, I conclude two things:
a) I'm sick with spin.
b) I can't wait for this election to end.

Posted by: scj | April 11, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of hilary destroying democrate chance of winning who is paying her to do this? 100mil in 8yrs is not elitist for you? wake up stupids! really. With john elton endorsing her and making that comment no wonder she has to distract.

I have a feeling Hilary is Gay, why else would she be married to Bill, they really don't have a marriage it's all based on power. So is she a closet lesbian? Not that there is anything wrong with having a lesbian president, but not her, anyone but her.

Posted by: CJ | April 11, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Here is how he explains it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow


If we do not elect this guy to be the president, this country is in more trouble years to come.....

Posted by: danielthed | April 11, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

'Obama is very popular with people who desperately want to believe in something, but don't want to put in any effort to figure out what it should be."

When Obama loses, we may see mass suicides from these irrational "well-educated" bigots.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Retired Rich -

Thanks for the honesty. I wish the rest of the Obama supporters would come out, tell the truth and admit that they too hold middle America in contempt.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I grew in the same town as Rush...Cape Girardeau.......different side of town! I've lived in small towns all my life. Obama is telling it as some of us say "without the bark on." Some of you can't take the truth, or maybe you are just shocked that anyone might speak the truth in the US. In contrast, Clinton and McCain are seasoned compulsive liars.

If I get the chance, I'll vote for Obama. If not, it will be 3rd or 4th or whatever party for me.

Posted by: rusty 3 | April 11, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Re: Neocons for Hillary

Wow, the neocon looneys are out tonight.

Well, it's Friday night, and this is their best entertainment. They tap on computer keys pretending to be from Pennsylvania, or pretending to be a woman who supports Hillary.

What's always struck me about them, is their lack of art. Granted, what they're suppose to do is pretty stupid, but still, you would think that they would exhibit a little more art, a little more skill.

I guess, ultimately, they're just lonely nerds, who want others to fight the wars that they would be too chicken to fight themselves.

and their latest campaign is to elect Hillary, so they can vote for McCain

so, instead: it's tap, tap, tap, on their computer keys.

No wonder they can't find a date

Who would want them?

Posted by: Beth | April 11, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

AJ -

"Obama an elitist? Obama out of touch? For what? Speaking the truth?!?!"

So (once again) you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I grew in the same town as Rush...Cape Girardeau.......different side of town! I've lived in small towns all my life. Obama is telling it as some of us say "without the bark on." Some of you can't take the truth, or maybe you are just shocked that anyone might speak the truth in the US. In contrast, Clinton and McCain are seasoned compulsive liars.

If I get the chance, I'll vote for Obama. If not, it will be 3rd or 4th or whatever party for me.

Posted by: rusty 3 | April 11, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

So who's the elitist? Is it the woman who placates her rallies with promises galore and who has become wealthy because her husband sold American jobs to foreign countries or the man who continues to support tax cuts for the 1% of the wealthiest Americans? OH no, it's that Obama; he really is looking down on small town America. EXCEPT that he wants the special interests and lobbyists who have stolen this country, like Mark Penn and now Bill Clinton out of government. WHOA, what an elitist. The right wing nuts can kiss my ass.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm from a Rust Belt area that sees nothing much but a steady exodus of jobs, decade after decade. Our son, 20, is going to a community college, living at home, aiming for a health care career, one of the only promising ones in our area. You do what you can. Obama is right. It was 24 years ago that Springsteen sang, "Foreman says these jobs are going, boys, and they ain't coming back, to your hometown." The high-and-mighty stance that Obama should "apologize" to small towns devastated by economic trends and political indifference, is the height of irony coming from the same Republicans who pour literally trillions of dollars into a stupid war, built on lies no less. They fear that people will realize just how little concern there was for the middle class in their race, rights, and taxes strategy, including a southernized working class in the North. All it is is the scaffolding for the continued agenda of a narrow slice of the overall populace, at the top of the pyramid. Hillary, she of the $100 million power marriage, is just another neocon, leavened with some wonkishness, running on the fumes of an older Democratic era, a general, vestigial association with working-class concerns and a commitment to reducing poverty. She's in reality more like a millionairess in the Leona Helmsley mode.

Posted by: Tom | April 11, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Jan E: Obama went to a $15,000 a year preparatory school; Columbia University; and then Harvard. I would hardly call that an underprivileged upbringing.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

As a young person from rural western PA, it seems as if Obama has been doing everything he can the past few weeks to lose my vote.

Posted by: Nate | April 11, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

rmorrow: Good analysis. I don't know how you could have made it any simpler.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 10:06 PM
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I'm guessing you intended that as a compliment????!!!!!!

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters see this one way and Hillary supporters see it another way.

That's called politics and I am loving all the haters from the Obamanights campaign.

He is fighting back tonight by going tit for tat instead of being a man and telling folks he was just trying to impress those rich white folks in San Fran.

Posted by: skinsfan1978 | April 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama is very popular with people who desperately want to believe in something, but don't want to put in any effort to figure out what it should be.

Obama is like that really interesting resturant your friends invited you to where the prices were really expensive, and place looked really cool, but the food tasted horrible and you got sick for a week.

Obama is like that hooker you almost made the mistake of going with, but suddenly realized had a really big adams apple for a girl.

Obama is like the car you almost bought, until you found out that east germany wasn't the right one for cars.

Obama is like a cute cat.

With a really bad case of rabies.

Obama is like every crazy idea that sounded good at the time, but then hated yourself for the rest of your life for doing.

Voting for Obama is like dropping acid.

Right before you strap in for your first solo jet flight.

Voting for Obama is like skydiving without a parachute.

Its a once in a lifetime experience you'll be glad to miss.

Posted by: Obama is like a portabella mushroom and turd sandwitch | April 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Here is John McCain quoted saying something very similar in the New Yorker back in December 2007 (LINK below):

"Anti-immigrant passion also owes much to the disproportionate influence of a few small states in the nominating process. National polls show that, as an issue, immigration is far behind the Iraq war, terrorism, the economy, and health care as a concern to most Americans; a recent Pew poll shows that, nationally, only six per cent of voters offer immigration as the most important issue facing the country. But in Iowa and South Carolina, two of the three most important early states, it is a top concern for the Republicans who are most likely to vote. "It's the influx of illegals into places where they've never seen a Hispanic influence before," McCain told me. "You probably see more emotion in Iowa than you do in Arizona on this issue. I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were--'concerned' is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like 'Why do I have to punch 1 for English?' 'Why can't they speak English?' It's become larger than just the fact that we need to enforce our borders." "

Whoa! Johnny! I know they didn't have the intertubes during the Civil War, but ask your grand kids about Google. (It can be your very BFF.)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/17/071217fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all

Posted by: David in NM | April 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

thorn66 -

Say what you want, but go to any blog and you can see who is shouting in caps, calling names and relying on ad-hominem attacks.

Even liberal journalists complain that , based on the mail they receive, Obama supporters tend to be angry and immature.

The notion that liberals are intellectuals and convervatives are knuckle-draggers is laughable.

Posted by: Mike | April 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I am a successful elitist that retired well off at age 55. I was born and raised in a small town. I agree 100% with Obama. I have just one thing to say to those in denial with what Obama stated. Jack Nicholson said it best "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH". I would have never made the money I made in my life if I stayed in a town with a population of 5,000 plus people. I love fine wine, take vacations in Hawaii. I also enjoy conversation with people with I.Q.'s higher then 120, this usually excludes the kind of people Obama was taking about. Elitists Rule!

Posted by: Retired Rich | April 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama an elitist? Obama out of touch? For what? Speaking the truth?!?!

The only folks who are out of touch are the media folks (all of who have minimum salaries of $400,000 or more) who jump on Obama's comments for news coverage to create the next big move political story.

People already know that the Clintons earned over $100 million since leaving the White House. People will soon know that the McCains are flithy rich and hob-nob with other multi-millionaires and multi-billionaires.

Posted by: AJ | April 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama just lost the tens of millions of gun voters. He's toast.

Posted by: mikeinva | April 11, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I love the Obama campaign for its competence and beauty and will vote for him. At the same time, his opposition will certainly try to define him as an elitist. Not many people are asked to take on Harvard Law Review. It's kind of an exclusive club. Not many people can write like Monet paints. And so here's one chink in the armor. The guy is pretty rare. But what I hear in his remarks is a little bit of an understanding of why people's attention can be directed to issues like fencing the border who who is a family and who can marry. Those are cosmetic issues that distract people from the despair he is saying these communities feel when traveling politicians come and make promises and nothing changes.

Okay, he's kind of rare. But if anybody can make those changes in substance rather than enable the distractions that divide people, he's it.

Just wait and see.

Posted by: Gaias Child | April 11, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

there was another story posted here this morning quoting 290 super bundlers raising $200,000 each.
But this has zero to do with the Nob Hill fundraiser aluded to as $200 contributors which was incorrect and totally irrlevant

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time Hillary or Mccain cared about small town America??

When have any of you carpetbaggars cared about our jobs going overseas and to Mexico..

Oh YEAH, you all help support the idio;ts that voted for NAFTA, RIGHT!!!

Now you want to jump on Obama for bringing to light that we are upset and bitter!

YES WE ARE BITTER, TO SEE THAT WE WANT OUR JOBS TO STOP GOING OVERSEAS OR TO COLUMBIA CLINTOON AND MCCAIN!!!

YOU HILLARY AND MCCAIN ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH SMALL TOWN AMERICANS..


AT LEAST WE ARE ON OBAMA MINDS NOT JUST IN PENNSYLVANIA, BUT IT'S STILL ON HIS MIND IN CALIFORNIA..


I DIDN'T LIKE OBAMA, BUT NOW I DO..

HE IS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER...

WHITE MAN IN PENNSYLVANIA FOR OBAMA..

Posted by: GENERAL LEE | April 11, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I have hard time seeing Obama as an elitist!! Someone who started from below zero and was raised by a single mother to make it to this position. Especially when the accusation is coming from a bunch of rich establishment backed challengers who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths. This is sever case of the pot calling the kettle black!!

Posted by: Jan E | April 11, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Human, just too human - when truth hurts our pride, or, rather, our vanity, condemn truth to comfort our vanity! Is it telling or not? Why are we having this bad war? Why are we falling toward the third world? Because we are such a people! Because we love flattering lies more than truth! Because we are so weak that we hate anyone sees us as us! No, we are NOT frustrated, even for more than twenty years we've been struggling! We HAVE TO be called HAPPY PEOPLE! Really? May be not really. But certainly we are NOT FRUSTRATED! By claiming this we feel a lot BETTER! By cursing the "liberals" we clearly demonstrate our being NOT BITTER!

Posted by: pinepine | April 11, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Emily: My, you're such a lady. There you go again with the insults. If you want me to actually read one of your posts, you should probably save the insults until the end.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I like that he has put the spotlight on the type of small-town attitudes that reject his positive message (if you need a refresher on synonym's for "small-town", go to Roget's Thesaurus) and to campaigns that pander to these illiberal attitudes. Obama is not afraid to stand for something better.

Posted by: Cakewalk | April 11, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

frank burns -

"What a state this country is in, if speaking the obvious truth is what hurts a candidate."

So (once again) you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike wrote:
"Obama supporters tend to be the rudest and least cerebral people in the room"

Versus whom Mike? The former supporters of GWB, Ronald Reagan, and Nixon...not exactly what I would consider a particularly "cerebral" crowd.

Isn't is nice to have a candidate who is willing to speak to some of the more complex issues facing our country and not always appeal to the lowest common denominator through the use of mindless platitudes or by appealing to knee-jerk social wedge issues such as abortion or gay-marriage.
That said, I must admit that the intellectual approach probably only works well in an episode of "West Wing" and yeah, Obama needs more coaching to tighten up the oratory such that he focuses more exclusively on letting folks know that he understands and feels their frustrations. This strategy worked well for GWB, as evidenced by his switch to more "empathic" language over the last few years... language such as "in my heart...I feel"....etc.

Posted by: thorn66 | April 11, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I bet Chris Cillizza (one of the "How Hillary Can Still Win" journalism award winners) is absolutely giddy about Obama's SF remarks.

Obama hit back effectively in Indiana, however, showing again why he is going to be an amazing president. Clinton and McCain are pathetic for trying to spin the remarks for their political advantage.

Posted by: John in Seattle | April 11, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse


Mr. OBAMA RELATES TO SOUTH CAROLINA BECAUSE HE'S SO PATHETICALLY LOOKING FOR ACCEPTANCE FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

MR. OBAMA RESENTS BEING RAISED BY WHITE PEOPLE.

THIS IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY OBVIOUS ABOUT HIM.

HE OVERCOMPENSATED BY GOING TO THE RABID RACIST CHURCH AND MARRYING THE WOMAN WHO - WELL, DOESN'T LIKE WHITE PEOPLE, LET'S FACE IT

THE TWO OF THEM ARE THE REAL "BITTER" ONES - PATHETICALLY "BITTER" FROM SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME IN THAT CRAZY CHURCH WITH THAT CRAZY "UNCLE"

HERE IS OBAMA SNICKERING AND SHOWING OFF HIS RESUME AND HIS ACT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU


He must have smoked too much pot in high school, or snorted too much cocaine in college to think we're so stupid. He said he "inhaled" - he thought that was cute to admit he inhaled. I think from the way he looks down his nose at white America - he inhaled the straw!!


Posted by: Todd | April 11, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"I hadn't realized how desperate her campaign was, until this. This is ALL she can attack?"

Didn't you read the headline and the article? It is just the GOP who attacking ;)

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

What a state this country is in, if speaking the obvious truth is what hurts a candidate.

Posted by: frank burns | April 11, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

First of all, the fund raiser he was at was middle income & upper-middle income, not what I would call rich, like the Clintons & McCain. Second, you haven't read everything that was "secretly" recorded by this Mayhill Fowler or whatever her name is. I think she's a Clinton plant that's been traveling with Obama's campaign. Senator Obama is not an "elitist". He has had to work very hard for everything he has unlike McCain who married a beer heiress or Hillary who had Bill out pimping his speeches for money. You people and the MSM need to get your facts straight before attacking someone.

Posted by: Carolyn Grace | April 11, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

rmorrow: Good analysis. I don't know how you could have made it any simpler.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

No, rmorrow, it's his detractors who keep repeating the out-of-context "bitter" part. Obama's words, in context, clearly speak for themselves, but see Emily's and any number of other folks above, especially folks who say they're from small towns for interesting responses to that.....

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"I realized that it was a waste of my time." Fred the jerk

Poor Fred. Please don't waste your time trying to understand the difference between "the economy," and a culture foisted on the American people by corporate lobbyists in which all of the manufacturing jobs are relocated offshore so that the companies can avoid fair labor practices and avoid paying taxes. I know it's just beyond your capability. Somehow, I think that you think you are "wasting" your time when doing anything else but googling anti Senator Obama trash.

You still haven't told us who your candidate is, Fred. We're waiting, but not holding our breath.

Now Fred, please me a good boy and go out to play for awhile. You have said nothing of value, and have not changed anyone's opinions. You've just sent me back to www.barackobama.com to contribute another $100. It wasn't a waste of time for me, anyway. Thanks.

Posted by: Emily | April 11, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

HEY...it is called GDP...
..it is called Globalization..

IT IS CALLED COMPETITION...global competition..

..where is the American Ingenuity?..

well it has given up!..according to Obama!

with Obama as leader..we are gonna look to:

REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH..
WORK IN HELPING JOBs (MICHELLE)
WORK IN COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS..(OBAMA)
BE POLITIBURO CHIEFS (politicians)
AND NATIONALIZE ALL AMERICAN RESOURCES!!..


sheesh!

Posted by: aw | April 11, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Bob, DC -

"It may offend some folks but what he said is correct."

So (once again) you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

Just want confirmation that this is what you thinlk of people in small towns.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman: Please read the article, and you will see that you are wrong.
http://tinyurl.com/6dtgq6

ProfWrightBSU: I appreciate your honesty. It seems to be a rare commodity on these blogs at times. Whether we agree on our choice of candidates or not, I respect your willingness to find the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

DEAD CANDIDATE WALKING

I can give you 109 million reasons why Hillary is out of touch!

I hadn't realized how desperate her campaign was, until this. This is ALL she can attack?

Obama's already won, that's obvious

Posted by: . | April 11, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

rivoser: Gallup and Surveyusa have it as a 3% difference with HC beating McCain 48-45 and Obama tied 45-45 and HC up with 16% in Pa. Wait til next wekk's polling. You won't much like what you see.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Will (above post), the article just says Obama was in Terre Haute, Indiana, not that he is an Indiana senator...

Posted by: Silly Season | April 11, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Dave the white guy -

"Jeeesh.. He told the truth PEOPLE.."

So (once again) you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Gibson wrote, "I wish people would actually listen to what Obama says - instead of going with "interpretations" of his comments by either his opponents or by the reporters who cover him."


You may see his comments in rose-colored glasses because you support Obama. Obviously, a large part of the media tonight do not share your view. His speech would have been fine if he had stopped at bitter and continued with stereotyping rural voters. He may be intelligent but his lack of common sense keeps him from telling middle-America he is sorry for his comments.

Posted by: skinsfan1978 | April 11, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Realtiy check: Obama is right on. It may offend some folks but what he said is correct. This is the new Obama style politics. Tell the truth whether is hurts politcally or not. The Clintons, of course, wil never understand this.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 11, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

kgdop -

" I beieve everything Barrack Obama stated is true. "

So you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

If you believe those things, you have little respect for folks in small towns.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

kgdop -

" I beieve everything Barrack Obama stated is true. "

So you believe that people in small towns:

1) Don't really have religious faith. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons.

2) Don't really believe in the 2nd Ammendment. They are just "clinging" to it due to economic reasons

3) Are xenophobes who don't like people who look different than them?

If you believe those things, you have little respect for folks in small towns.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Fred: you are correct, your numbers reflect the truth. The truth being that roughly 25% of Obama's campaign dollars came from "the rich". 25% is a significant amount but far from a smoking gun.

25% says to me that either this rich group helped to spark his campaign which gathered grass roots steam, or that 25% came on board as he continued to gather wins from state to state.

Either way, I personally see that as 25% of his campaign promises going to special interests.

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | April 11, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

fred its 290 billionaire bundlers who have raised $200,000 each for a still unseemly $16 mill. We discussed that here this morning.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

The April 11 Gallup daily tracking poll shows Senator Obama now leading Hillary nationwide among Democratic Party voters, 51% to 42%. Guess Elton wasn't much help.

Posted by: rvloser | April 11, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It's to bad that people can't handle the truth in life anymore. It's a sad day when any man sits there listening to a bucnh of worthless bloggers and campaign staffers over the truth..

Obama said that we small town Americans year after year have been lied to, by Clinton and Bush administrations. Yes we are bitter and I love my gun and religion.

Yes we are not happy about illegal immigration!!!

He told the truth and you azzhipes are mad!!

You mo'rons don't live in smalls towns, but sit there talking about Obama..


Jeeesh.. He told the truth PEOPLE..
Wake up and listen to him..

He wants you to listen to him, not just sit there passing silly time..

You voted for this crap to happen, now you sit there hating the TRUTH!!

GET A LIFE AND YOU WILL FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOURSELVES!!

Posted by: Dave the white guy | April 11, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse


Obama is the epitome of SMUG. His apologies are only convenient. Everything about hims is CONVENIENT.

Caught lying with Canadian wink-wink - lies and denies, then when the meeting memo shows up - he admits it, then a day later, he retracts and points at a lie made up about Senator Clinton.

Oh - MR. OBAMA IS DC AS USUAL

He's loving that money. He's loving those BILLIONAIRES in SAN FRANCISCO he was visiting. Went in the back "service" entrance of the MANSION so no one would see him pandering to the big dollars, donors and MONEY.

He's obsessed - NOT WITH AMERICA - WITH HIMSELF

HE IS A SMUG DO NOTHING. IN HIS ENTIRE ADULT LIFE, WITH ALL THE OPPORTUNITY HE HAS HAD - HE HAS NEVER DONE ONE SINGLE SIGNIFICANT SOCIAL OR POLITICAL THING FOR ANYONE. WELL, MAYBE MR. REZKO.

HIS LIES

Rezko: 25K in donations --- now updated to 276,000 - LIED

NAFTA: assures the Canadians he's only saying things to voters to get elected. yeah - we know that. liar liar pants on -- fire. LIAR

IRAQ: says he'll withdraw ALL troops within 16 months. His SENIOR foreign affairs "adviser" says to European television - well, he may not do that - it's really a best case scenerio. LIAR

Rev Wright: Twenty Years in the church of rabid racism. He never heard a thing. He's careful not to say what he heard and didn't hear. Mr. Obama is WAY TOO CAREFUL TO BE TRUSTED. We're all stupid?
No, we know that was a convenient LIE

Says he doesn't take money from big oil - uses donors money to make the ad!!! TRUTH: He has former Big Oil EXECUTIVES working on his campaign - "bundling" donations for him. LIAR

Says he doesn't take moeny from lobbiests and won't have them working for him. TRUTH: He has former LOBBIESTS WORKING ON HIS CAMPAIGN "bundling" money and donors for him. LIAR

Mr. Obama has a REAL problem with telling the truth. But he has no problems whatsoever with making excuses. And no problem looking right at you and LYING.

He has no resume. He has no experience. He has no relevant work history.

THE AUDACITY IS RIGHT!!

Now, he went to small towns in Pennsylvania and he came out thinking - what a bunch of pathetic little BITTER people.

Mr. Obama LOOKS DOWN HIS NOSE AT PENNSYLVANIANS - ANYONE WITHOUT MONEY FOR HIS POCKETS

OH - YEAH - HE'S "DIFFERENT DC" ALRIGHT. THE RICHEST AND BEST CONNECTED DEMOCRAT IN A LOOONG, LOONG TIME.


Posted by: Todd | April 11, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama's speech just facialized the Republicans.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Facial.

Posted by: Face | April 11, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

ISN'T IT TIME WE HAD A PRESIDENT WITH A BRAIN? It is incredible that there are enough pundits out there who think that Obama's honest words of actual assessment of the rust-belt's situation are to be "pounced" on. Presumably some of these people would rather have Mc"bomb, bomb, bomb -- bomb, bomb Iran" or sniper-bullet-/truth-dodging Hillary who won't reveal past and present "donors" (shakedown victims) to Bill's double-wide library -- only future ones, and only if she is elected!! Pathetic.

Posted by: Silly Season | April 11, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Religion is free and so is sense of community that is created in churches everywhere across this nation. Community is just one of the reasons I go to church every Sunday. And one of the reasons that many of my fellow Midwesterners do too.

Posted by: Ann | April 11, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Gibson -

You guys keep glossing over the part that offended most people: the claim that the religious faith and gun rights views of small town are not informed or genuine. Instead they are a reaction to economic conditions.

You folks want to claim that all he said was the "bitter" part. What is your response to the religion and guns part?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Right off, the article states that Obama is a Senator from Indiana, which is false. He if from Ill. How can anyone, especially a political reporter make this mistake. This is a damaging and forever lasting flaw in this journalist's handbag. From now on, I will see his work as incorrect.
I am a student journalist with the highest respect for publication. This must be noted and the author dismissed. How can a reported state such inaccurate information?

Posted by: will | April 11, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm from that area. The comment hurts because it's true.

But it's easier to blame someone else. Down with Obama!

Posted by: Joe | April 11, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Elitists Unite! let's elect someone with an I.Q. better then George ( I am a moron ) Bush. Bush won because he got the "IDIOT" vote. I'm hoping this time around their are more educated then morons that vote in 2008.

Posted by: I.Q. 160 | April 11, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama working the GOP elitist "base" to stir things up....

Posted by: shrike | April 11, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

rmorrow: Obama fans simply must defend everything he says: they are in love . . .

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I really don't understand why so many people are getting upset by the comments of Barrack Obama. You can go to any major city in the US, as well as hundreds of small towns and cities and visualize the empty and decaying shells of factories that use to provide families with a decent living. Most of those employers that use to feed hard working american familes didn't fall under, they decided to move their operation to foreign countries, where they profited enormously by paying workers pennies on the hour, while still selling those products to americans who are paying a hundred times more for what it took to make those products. I beieve everything Barrack Obama stated is true. I think in order for this country to get back to the better days is to stop electing multi-millionaires to run this country when the average middle class american is beginning to feel the pinch of failed economic policies. We need someone who truly understands the majority and make a change.

Posted by: kgdop | April 11, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

You MUST be kidding. I'm an affluent West coast male, and I'm bitter at the last 16 years. The government of the country I love has been paralyzed first by partisan rancor during the Clinton Administration and sheer, unadulterated incompetence during the Bush (II) Administration.

The Republicans have nothing, nothing at all to stand on. They have run record deficits, prosecuted an unnecessary war, overseen an incompetent occupation, put "Creationism", "abstinence only" and other nonsense in the minds of our children (who are falling behind, of all people, the Swedes in education and nearly ever barometer of success for children!), proven unable to handle a major natural disaster, proven absolutely corrupt at all levels of government, and proven that they need to take a timeout and hang out in the penalty box for the next 8 years.

Only a complete moron would vote for a Republican for another 8 years.

So, yeah, darn right I'm bitter, as are the vast majority of people in this country.

Posted by: Q | April 11, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

NEO-CONS FOR HILLARY ! ! !

Pretend that you're a Democrat (Hillary supporter)

Smear Obama with any of the following:

1. He's a Muslim
2. He's not Black enough
3. He's not White enough
4. He's not patriotic
5. He's a racist
6 He's elitist
7. He's a populist


note: never address any "issues", instead smear him with any association: his pastor, someone who endorses him, his wife, his father,etc. always make racist commments (i.e. compare him to Jim Jones), put his middle name in capital letters...and MOST IMPORTANT repeat it over and over (check FoxNews for latest smear)

remember: Americans are stupid! (look how we got them in the Iraq war!)

if you repeat anything enough, they'll believe it.

then

SAY IF OBAMA IS NOMINATED, YOU WON'T VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN NOVEMBER

* note: this is generally true, but if Hillary is nominated, it doesn't matter who gets elected...you can vote for whomever you want....McCain is slightly better, but both are in our lobby's pocket, i.e. both Clinton and McCain will put America in our WARS

THE NEOCON LOBBY OWNS BOTH MCCAIN AND HILLARY.

but not Obama

WE MUST STOP OBAMA !

Posted by: . | April 11, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

It's good to see we live in a country that fully supports and encourages spirited debate. We need more of this.

It certainly would be better if we could stick to the facts, less spin and sensationalism.

If you don't like Barrack, Hillary or John, then don't vote for them, seems pretty simple.

I already voted in my primary in Wisconsin and I hope my choice makes it to the next stage.

If he does I will continue to support his campaign. If he doesn't I will have to go back and take a very close look at the choice of Clinton vs McCain. For me it's not a given. But one thing is for sure the GOP party is not helping McCain's cause.

As I like to say to my wife when we're watching a Packer's football game and they fall behind early... there's a lot of game left.

Posted by: Andy | April 11, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

If HRC or McCain said it,it wouldn't even be an issue. I wonder why no one is talking about the guy that introduced McCain the other day saying "you can have your Tiger Woods." Talking about Obama, what kind of statement is that? Dare I bring up the r-card.

Posted by: Jay | April 11, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Folks, don't be surprised by OBAMA'S GUTTER-BALL POLITICS, unlike legislation in the U.S. Senate, foreign policy or the economy, this is an area where he clearly does NOT LACK EXPERIENCE!

The various OBAMA-GATES:

1. Mr. REZKO, please help, I need a bigger lawn for my neighborhood "grass" roots activity-GATE,

2. REAGAN was TRANSFORMATIONAL, however, I am purposely choose to ignore Bubba's TRAJECTORY of diversity, equality and inclusiveness-GATE,

3. YES WE FARRA-KHAN GATE,

4. IMPASTOR WRIGHT IS MY KARL ROVE together we form "A MORE PERFECT UNION"-GATE,

5. Grandma got run over by a reindeer-GATE, *Bonus*: She is also Typical White Grandma, so I threw her under some Hawaiiaan pineapple trees-GATE,

6. Michigan/Florida, I support the DISENFRANCHISEMENT, I am proud of The New JEREMIAH CROW LAWS-GATE,

7. Hey JUDAS BILL RICHARDSON isn't an invitation to the Celebrity Fit Club enough, what more do you want?-GATE,

8. "I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I'M GETTING FRESH", my wife said "I'm a big fan of accessories" so let me VIBRATE-GATE,

9. "BUNDLER" DONORS, I truly do represent "CHANGE" in Washington, D.C.! That's right I "changed" my mind on campaign finance reform because I figured out how to GUTTER-BALL the system and raise millions of dollars-GATE!

It never stops from this "TYPICAL", "GUTTER-BALL" POLITICIAN named OBAMA!

10. MOST RECENT: I resent that Pennsylvanians have ANTI-OBAMA SENTIMENT and I detest that Pennsylvanians are for HILLARY, she stands up for them, works HARD for them.

Hard? Well, I know that "hard times are spreadin' just like the blues, so watch out homeboy," I am BITTER-GATE!

Posted by: cheersdk | April 11, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

More elitist Obama comments that will hurt him everywhere but at MSNBC.

His supporters are now trying to say that his comments were taken out of context. He has used that defense one too many times. Let us see how it plays out on Meet The Press this weekend or at the next debate.

All the more reason to take a closer look at Obama. And the closer you look the more unelectable he appears. And I see it and I am sure that the super delegates see it as well.

Posted by: Fred C Dobbs | April 11, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Not that I'm a referee, but the "Fred the moron" bit was a bit harsh, Emily. However, I wish Fred had continued to read because yours was an excellent explication:

"No Fred,
we are saying that because all the jobs have disappeared and there is no hope that they will come back is the reason that people cling to whatever they do have. Senator Obama is not insulting these citizens, he is feeling sympathy for them and wants to offer solutions. He is just the messenger. It has little to do with "the economy, stupid." It has to do with a government that has allowed large companies to relocate overseas where labor costs are cheaper, and so that they don't have to pay taxes. We have a government who has subsidized the very wealthy at the cost of jobs for its citizens. The lobbyists are controlling Washington, and the small towns all over America are suffering as a result."

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

michael how about people cling to guns and religion b/c they are Bitter. Sure as an Obama apologist you feel that everyone who believes in Guns or God is bitter. Wonder if Jim Wallace would agree with that preverted explanation of religion.

I am rolling over laughing about these attacks now on Arriaa Huffington. This is truly a joke, right? Has anyone here ever listened to or ever read the Huffington Post or even have the feintist idea who she is supporting? She and her blog have been so proObama, at least until this story she could have been taking her marching orders directly from the Obama campaign.

There must be truly be panic at the Obama blog site tonight. I have been here for a month and hardly recognize any of these posters. My guess: the Obama campaign knows they have a real problem and have sent an sos to their bloggers and sent them scattering to every blog site they can google to explain and spin for him tonight. Sounds truly desperate and pathetic.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

This really hurts because I was the biggest Obama supporter out there in Scranton. I have donated about $2000 to the Obama campaign that I now wish I could have back. Ok, I let the comment about your grandmother slide, I saw your perspective. But this comment is too much. Religion is a symptom of a despondent, depressed America? Does Obama think he is Karl Marx? Say it isn't so, really, say it isn't so. I don't believe a word you say anymore, and I will be e-mailing Mr Axelrod for a refund tonight.

Posted by: Carl | April 11, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I think it is interesting that many of the people who criticize Obama's ideas as wrong are the same ones who believe in statements like "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, "Mission accomplished", "Heck of a job Brownie" and deny the fact that we are in a major recession, the blame for which lies squarely on the shoulders of the current administration.

Posted by: D William | April 11, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

So tell me, you Republican Obama-bashers: What exactly has George W. Bush done for small towns in America? How have his policies benefitted the average American? How will McCain's policies do anything different than what we've seen for the last 8 years?

Good grief. By now, I'd think you people would have sense enough not to get fooled again by a bunch of meaningless Republican rhetoric and Fox "News" talking heads.

I'm not an Obama-fan (I'm for Hillary), but please, people. Put down the Kool-Aid. Have the good sense to vote for your own economic interests. Not those of corporate America.

Posted by: democrat4ever | April 11, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Hilda -

"I listened and read Obama's comments and my small town Pennsylvania family can agree 100% with his comments."

So you are agreeing that your faith is a sham and you are "clinging" to it due to economic conditions?

You are agreeing that your views on gun control are a sham and you are "clinging" to them due to economic conditions?

You also agree that you are a xenophobe who doesn't like people who look like you?

Is this what you believe?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

ProfWrightBSU: With all due respect, you are incorrect. The Washington Post article said "They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed." 27,000 times $2,300 is over $62,000,000. That's much more than you stated in your post. And, let's not forget that Obama is very fond of saying that he receives nothing from the special interests. Well, if $62,000,000 is nothing, I'd like to have a little of that.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I wish people would actually listen to what Obama says - instead of going with "interpretations" of his comments by either his opponents or by the reporters who cover him.

I first heard about this story on Hardball tonight and it was, "can you believe what Obama has done now? He called voters in PA bitter?"

I said to myself, that does not sound right and even though they played an excerpt of him talking in San Francisco last week, I went to the internet so I could hear it all directly.

And you know what? He did say voters were bitter; he said we were bitter because for the past 30-years, we have seen our jobs go over seas and that the entire time, politicians have been coming around and making promises and then not delivering.

I defy anyone to step forward and say that is not a true statement.

This is insanity. We have a politician finally calling his cohorts to account for their shoddy performance over the past few decades and instead of embracing him, there are some of us who are buying into the spin and buying into the lies of the same politicians - Democrats and Republicans - who have done nothing while our middle class jobs were sent to other nations.

This has to stop. We have to stop it. Vote for a politician who will change the way things have been done - if you want different results.

Posted by: Derrick Gibson | April 11, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The insult is not that he said people have lost alot and are bitter.
The insult is that he attributes the people being bitter as the reason they cling to guns and religion.
Doesn't it occur to him that people cling to their religion because it is their belief system, in good times and bad.
Also, they believe in the right to bear arms, which is a belief, not a response to being bitter.
And finally, he did not just say the people are bitter, he said they use that bitterness as an excuse to be racist.

I live in PA and I know when I am being insulted. Barack Obama is a racist pure and simple. He classifies people by stereotypes and then talks down to them accordingly.
He just spent more than a week rubbing elbows with the people in PA acting like he just loved the regular working class, blue collar voters in PA and then he goes to California and describes them as Bitter, Gun toting, Bible thumping, racists.
This is not the man we need in our highest office.

Posted by: cheryl | April 11, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow - Obama makes a sober, thoughtful and sympathetic remark and a bunch of people call him elitist. Is there anything he can do or say that won't piss off some people? I pity you all, because you've put yourselves in a real bind. The problems we all face are so huge they require really smart people to address them. It's obviously got to be someone smarter than you, because you'd be to busy solving these problems if you were smart enough. So when someone smarter than you shows up who can fix these problems, you transfer your inadequacies on them and call him or her "elitist". And you go back to looking for someone you can have a beer with or who can pick up a 7-10 split. You all are so good at screwing yourselves, seriously. Just because you can't stand it when someone's smart enough to fix something that you can't.

Maybe he should have called Pennsylvanians "happy campers". Yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: treetopflyer | April 11, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Intelligent educated people are for Obama. Uneducated alcoholics that either smoke or chew tobacco vote GOP. Also spend $50 bucks to see fake wrestling. Oh! also spend $40 bucks to see monster truck pulls. Oh! also enjoy spending $150 bucks to fill up their beaten up trucks. Vote Obama...see what happens when you have a moron like Bush run this country for 8 years.

Posted by: I.Q. 160 | April 11, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

So,let me start by saying Iam a Independent
and also come from a small town and I damn
well feel very offended by the condensing,
arrogance and stupidity of Barack Obama and
his elitist Democrat Liberal insults toward
American Small Towns and Small Town People
myself and you can add my voice to the ever
growing demand that Barack Hussein Obama
apologize for those idiotic vicious remarks. Let me add this that I also am still fed up with Michelle Obama racist
remarks all the time and thier pal "Uncle"
Rev.Wright racist and un-American remarks
as well and therefore I ask how can Obama
"Unite Us" when the two Obama's Barack
Hussein and Michelle Obama act so arrogant
and show their racism all the time at all
of us. The Obama's are the biggest liars
and racists and most arrogant sleazy liberal losers to ever enter the American
political scene. I sure will not waste my
own vote on Obama or any other Liberal
Democrat and I happen to be a Registered
Independent. Apologize Now Obama!

Posted by: Carleen1977 | April 11, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind anybody, whoever has posted stupid comments above are working on Hillarys's or Mccain's payroll making much ado over nothing.

Posted by: sandy | April 11, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

obama's FIRST CHANGE:

NATIONALIZE WAL-MART..

coz that is where small town shops...

NATIONALIZE WAL-MART..
NATIONALIZE WAL-MART..
NATIONALIZE OIL COMPANIES..
NATIONALIZE FARMS...

100% EMPLOYMENT!!!!!

OBAMA 08!!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!


Posted by: AW | April 11, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

So what did Obama say that was untrue? He just pointed out what we know. Too bad others can't see the truth.

Posted by: Ruth from Erie | April 11, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Emily: Insults are not arguments. The minute I began to read your post, I realized that it was a waste of my time.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Jaysus! Obama's supposed to apologize for speaking the truth?

What is this country coming to?

We have a Republican party that is nothing more than an organized crime syndicate, and Obama's an elitist? A guy who grew up in a single parent household and who worked as a community organizer in Chicago. An elitist! Spoken by those who love the Bushes and McCains! If that don't beat all!

Posted by: aqualung | April 11, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is through. Obama is now tied with her in Pennsylvania if you take the margin of error into account. By the time the PA primary takes place, he will be ahead of her.

That means she will not be able to overcome his lead in delegates. But we knew that two months ago.

Her only option at this point is to quit dragging Obama down with her, otherwise, in her next Senate primary in New York ,she will be in danger of losing to a true Democratic contender, whoever that might be. It really doesn't matter. Dinos almost always lose to Democrats in the primaries.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1477

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | April 11, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I was going to defend Obama, but he did an EXCELLENT job of defending himself. Watch the video!

Let's not forget though we are dealing with a master of distortion:
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Americans of all political persuasions are coming to the sad realization that our First Lady -- a woman of undoubted talents who was a role model for many in her generation -- is a congenital liar.

By WILLIAM SAFIRE
Published: January 8, 1996
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Full Article
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905EFDC1339F93BA35752C0A960958260&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
===
Hillary Clinton
Solutions for Corporate America
Lying from Day One

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 11, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Of course Obama is elitist - why would we expect otherwise for someone qualified to be President? This issue is not whether he might think he is better than most people (shouldn't the President of the US be?), but what he is going to do for the people who need help. Bush may not "act" elitist in his everyday manner, but his policies and approaches to governing are extraordinarily elitist in their intent and consequences.

Posted by: borney | April 11, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman: again, read the article. The numbers are right there. i didn't make those numbers up. The article clearly states that 79 bundlers attributed the alloted $200,000 each to Obama's campaign. That is the maximum that they are allowed to "bundle" per campaign finance rules.

It also clearly states that those who gave $200 or more account for 50% of Obama Dollars. IF 50% of the people giving money contributed $2000 the article would have stated such.

Don't contribute to lies and half-truths. That campaign finance article attempts to paint Obama's grassroots campaign as a fraud and it is not.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

ProfWrightBSU: With all due respect, you are incorrect. The Washington Post article said "They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed." 27,000 times $2,300 is over $62,000,000. That's much more than you stated in your post. And, let's not forget that Obama is very fond of saying that he receives nothing from the special interests. Well, if $62,000,000 is nothing, I'd like to have a little of that.

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I listened and read Obama's comments and my small town Pennsylvania family can agree 100% with his comments. The people out of touch are some of these foolish Clinton fans like iowatreasures who live in their own little world of make believe. Get real people, America is hurting and the Clintons are part of the problem.

Posted by: Hilda from Penn | April 11, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

God Bless America.

God Bless Barack Obama, her native son.

May God guide the citizens to vote in their own best interest, and not be manipulated by the sneaky forces of
Satan.

God Bless Us All.

Obama '08

.

Posted by: BlessedBeThyName | April 11, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"out there in Scranton"?? Really? Don't you live "out there"? Methinks your post lacks a bit of authenticity. I hope you kept receipts for "about $2000."

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

People keep saying he is out of touch with Americans. My question is: how? He spoke the truth. Unlike the other two candidates still in the race - Clinton and McCain - Obama is the one to have most recently held a job outside of politics. McCain has been in Congress since the 1980s and Clinton has been in politics for just as long, first as a political spouse and then as a politician herself. How could he be any more out of touch with the rest of America than they are?

Frankly, if McCain, Clinton, Bush and their ilk spent time talking to real people in small towns and cities instead of the pre-screened "safe" people their campaigns arrange for them to meet, maybe they wouldn't be so quick to condemn Obama. Besides, cities like Chicago have working class people who've been hurt economically too, so being from Chicago doesn't make Obama unaware of the plights of the working class, whom he worked among as a young adult.

Posted by: wogieta | April 11, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Unlike that Rev. Wrong obfuscation, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this statement. Arianna's Hillarrhoid fangs are showing on this one. Obama is saying he genuinely understands those who've been passed by, even if some have gone off the deep end into pressuring our foolish solons into authorizing, funding & building that obscene Wall and trumpeting their annoyance at languages their unionized teacher was too dumb to teach them. Unlike Ankleless Annie's soused or stoned sorta-spouse, Obama thinks things out and (amazingly, given his hard-left anti-American fatcat backers) connects across the spectrum, which shouldn't be all Greek to you, Arianna. (Cute, if contundent, accent ...how about taking it home?)

Posted by: sawargos | April 11, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

michael how about people turn to guns and religion b/c they are Bitter. Sure as an Obama apologist you feel that everyone who believes in Guns or God is bitter. Wonder if Jim Wallace would agree with that preverted explanation of religion.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"Are you saying that because of the economy, blue collar workers "get bitter, they cling to guns or religion" Fred the moron.

No Fred,
we are saying that because all the jobs have disappeared and there is no hope that they will come back is the reason that people cling to whatever they do have. Senator Obama is not insulting these citizens, he is feeling sympathy for them and wants to offer solutions. He is just the messenger. It has little to do with "the economy, stupid." It has to do with a government that has allowed large companies to relocate overseas where labor costs are cheaper, and so that they don't have to pay taxes. We have a government who has subsidized the very wealthy at the cost of jobs for its citizens. The lobbyists are controlling Washington, and the small towns all over America are suffering as a result.

You still haven't told us who your candidate is Fred, so crawl back underneath you rock, please.

Posted by: Emily | April 11, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

We should all be clear. America doesn't care about the average frustrated blue collar worker (turned non-worker by NAFTA and CAFTA), in "fly-over country" or elsewhere, until it's election time, time to convince them that diversity equals sexual and economic immorality, time to sell them cheap goods from WalMart made in China with lead, or time to tax them more to pay for permanent tax cuts and lucrative defense contracts for the ultra-rich. In fact, American culture does its absolute best to ignore "the bitter hicks in fly-over country" and act like they don't exist. Until election time, that is. One political party has played this game to perfection, and W. J. Clinton learned his lesson well, until that other party once again convinced "Middle America" that "Democrat" meant immorality. We've seen this before. Why not try something different? Don't be mad because Obama held up a mirror. Look deep into it and learn from it. That would be a change. Change this great country could benefit from.

Posted by: maw1124 | April 11, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

This really hurts because I was the biggest Obama supporter out there in Scranton. I have donated about $2000 to his campaign that now I wish I could have back. Ok, I let the comment about your grandmother slide, I saw your perspective. But this comment is too much. Religion is a symptom of a despondent America? Say it isn't so, really, say it isn't so. I don't believe a word you say anymore, and I will be e-mailing Mr Axelrod for a refund tonight.

Posted by: Carl Clifford - PA resident | April 11, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I think small towns in the Midwest just suddenly and mysteriously gained an additional 1000-2000 citizens. Or should I say "cyber" citizens.

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And they sound a lot like Obamabots.

Posted by: Stephen | April 11, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, that there Black Man is smarter than Me!

Must be Elitist.

How come I can't run for President and He can?

Again, Elitist.

How come he don't talk funny like Blacks are sposed ta?

Elitist.

He's mister fancy pants, harvard grad, fancy learnin, mr encylopedia black, big word using, confusing talker, special skinny man, negro is all he is.

* BUUUUUUUUUUURP*

Posted by: Idiot | April 11, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

My family has 150 years of small towns here in Minnesota. Heck; my grandfathers farm is on the state road map and you can't get smaller than that.

And I am hear to tell you that some of the folks are worried. The economies in the small towns are tough. Their kids leave and the towns get older. Maybe it is an elite East Coast media that is wrong and Obama has his finger on the pulse of what is actually happening

Posted by: John Sherman | April 11, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them."

Absolutely true.


" . . . each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not."

Also true.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

And that's true as well.

What's the problem here? That bit about religion and immigrants? Rural Rust Belt voters get attached to false solutions for real problems that persist because of lack of leadership and real solutions from Washington. That's all Obama's trying to say.

I am confounded by the irony of elitist charges made by Republicans; the top 1% of the income distribution is significantly better off than they were in 2000 and the middle class is the same or falling behind.

Posted by: KP | April 11, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

The one who loves guns?

Or the one who hates them?

The one who loves Jesus and Rev Wright?

Or the one who hates religion?

The one of opposes immigration?

Or the one who thinks its great?

The one who hates white people and blames them for all of Black America's Problems?

Or the one who gives great speeches on race?

Quantum Obama takes alll possible routes and all possible positions.

He's like that famous half-dead cat.

You never know who he's going to be or what he's going to stand for or believe him.

He's got a great future as a used hype aalesman.

Or a piece of toast.


Posted by: Which Obama would you like today? | April 11, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

ProfWright get your facts straight. Most all of these contributors had maxed out with $2300 contributions not $200 contributions. Do you honestly, if that is even possible, think he would have traveled 2000 miles to pick up $200 checks, get real.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Nice try, Leroy Shifflet, Jr. | April 11, 2008 9:37 PM!!!!!

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse


Please. Simply a quick read of the Warren Commission Report 1965 and a little research on the 1960's War on Poverty reveals the same story. It never changes! The people will have to take charge of their lives. Maybe, just maybe, Obama IS the change we have been waiting for. He is the first politician to hold the "small town" poor to be accountable for their lives and "Speak Truth to the Poor." Political Saviors will use them and manipulate their egos to be reactive and resentful. Its up to the people.

Posted by: Jackie | April 11, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I think small towns in the Midwest just suddenly and mysteriously gained an additional 1000-2000 citizens. Or should I say "cyber" citizens.

Posted by: Stephen | April 11, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Everyone who reads the full text of what Sen. Obama said and honestly interprets it, knows there is nothing elitist or condescending about what he said. It's just the truth. And sometimes it's hard to hear the truth. It's not every day we hear truth from our politicians so it may be hard for some to process. It was Obama, not Clinton or McCain who worked as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago. He's the only candidate that DOES UNDERSTAND and the only candidate with the courage to speak the TRUTH.

Hoosiers for Obama
Yes We Can -- Yes We Must!!

Posted by: indiana mom | April 11, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

junell Vargas wrote, "whatever, gosh people will take anything people say and try and turn it into something else. GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Welcome to the world of politics. Obama and his supporters have been doing it to Hillary on everything she says. What makes this different is that it will stick in the minds of people for a long time. Obama should be smart enough to know, you do not insult the people you need to vote for you.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

CHANGE?...

REDISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH!!!

SOCIALISM!!!!

NO MORE bitterness, NO MORE clinging to faith!!!!

OBAMA 08!!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!

Posted by: aw | April 11, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I had not heard about Obama pushing the wrong vote button as an excuse for his vote on an Illinois senate vote until early this week.. I haven't stopped laughing since. This bonehead may become president. If he does the voters deserve him. I don't.

Posted by: Chief | April 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Clintoon and McCain both support NAFTA and other Free Trade Treaties that devastated Pennsylvania's manufacturing base. That's OK according to the Neocons and the DINOs.

But Obama gets criticized for describing out of work and underemployed citizens of Pennsylvania as being bitter.

This strategy won't work for Clintoon or for McCain. They are both out of touch with the mainstream and they both don't get it.

That's why they will both lose to Obama.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | April 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Yep, many of you folks have been watching TV and know how to parrot what you hear. "Elitist"..."condescending"...I doubt you even know what they mean.

I'd suggest you learn to think for yourselves instead of behaving like sheep.

Test:

Name two valid points that Obama made.

Specifically, what was he wrong about?

Specifically, what was he correct about?

Posted by: michaelD | April 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Elinor its definitely thinking outside of the box to insult rural voters in Pa, Indiana, and N. Carolina and then go there and ask for their vote. All the apologists in the world won't change the impact of this boneheaded statement. Any doubts he would not have said this had he known a Huffington Post reporter was there actually paying attention to what he was saying rather than just sitting there and nodding her head to his every word. She was there, and she states she was embarrased by what Sen Obama said and feared the impact of releasing the recording. But we all know that the Huffington Post loves HC.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I live in the small town life and I love it Obama. So there.

Here in west Virginia we got a good way of life accept there aint jobs for evryone. and that is because of the black man.

WHich is why i need my gun blessed by the Lord in all his glory.

I hate these colored mexican people coming taking jobs from us hard worked patriotic type people to.

I wish I could vote for Reagan again God 'bless him but since Obama is islam and terrorists I guess I gotta go with MoCain.

i hope he lives long enough to be electeed.

I caint beleive Obama said that stuff bout us. he is elitest of all!!!!!

Thank you,
Leroy Shifflet, Jr.
CEO Idiots'R'Us

Posted by: Leroy Shifflet, Jr. | April 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Fred: please pay attention to the statistics quoted in the article.

79 "bundlers" attributing $200,000 each is 15.8 million dollars

That 15.8 million dollars represents only 6.5% of Obama's campaign dollars.

It further states that donors who gave $200 or more account for 50% of Obama's money. $200 is not elitist money. $200 is a middle-class contribution.

The writer of this article couldn't very well say that only 6.5% of Obama's money is coming from the rich. That wouldn't help to stimulate a race that has been great for every newspaper and info-tainment venue in this country.

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | April 11, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I am live in pa, I am a transplant from nj. Mr Obama is 100% correct in his statements. Trying to make a decent living in the farmland pa is nearly impossible. It is amazing that people are making a big deal of this. This shows that he is in touch with the average person. If you dissagree please feel free to drive across the state, you will change your mind.

Posted by: Dave from PA | April 11, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Mike, I don't think bhagwan got the memo......
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Ever notice how much Obama supporters like dgw love shouting in caps? Or calling people "lame"?

Obama supporters tend to be the rudest and least cerebral people in the room

Posted by: Mike | April 11, 2008 9:29 PM
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here comes again mr obama who claim to have roots in poverty and raised by a single mother,now suddenly he has changed his clour and considers himself above the poor people whose votes he is begging.
IT HAS BEEN MY BELIEF ALL ALONG THAT OBAMA IS AN UGLY COPPER POT WITH NICKLE PLATING AND WITH TIME THE NICKLE PLATING IS WEARING OFF AND UGLY COPPER POT IS SHOWING ITS FACE. BECAUSE HE IS FAVOURED BY WHITE COLLAR ELITES SO HE HAS THAT NOTION IN HIM THAT BLUE COLLAR WORKERS ARE SOME HOW INFERIOR AND HE SAYS HE BELIEVES IN GOD TOO.
HOW THEN ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD CANNOT BE EQUALLY BEAUTIFUL. DOES HE ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN GOD ? THE ANSWER IS NO. IT IS JUST A SHOW OR MAY BE HE HAS A DIFFERENT GOD ROOTED AT SOME OTHER PLACE. WAKE UP TO REALITY AMERICA HOW LONG YOU WILL KEEP BEING FOOLED BY THIS CHARMER.
bhagwan deol los angeles

Posted by: bhagwan deol | April 11, 2008 9:32 PM

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama has the courage to tell it like it is. I'm sure that John McCain of the "straight talk express" will echo his statement. The media feeding frenzy focuses on the second half of his statement- which is also by and large true. What do desperate people do? Anything that takes their minds off their hopeless situation.

Let's focus on what Senator Obama said, in trying to point out the problem so that it can be addressed- instead of smearing the messenger.

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not."

Barack Obama.

Please vote for this good and decent man and stop the hate and smear campaign in its tracks once and for all. Not this time, folks. We have a real chance to send the corporate lobbyists packing.

Posted by: Emily | April 11, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Mccain are playing the ostrich by burying their heads in the sand rather than face the reality that some of their fellow americans are hurting due to bad economic policies.
This clearly show why Obama is a better candidate than both of them.

Posted by: Terry K | April 11, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I love how you Obama supporter say he said the truth, and then you go on to say everything but what he actually said. Are you saying that because of the economy, blue collar workers "get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." If so, how in the world would you or Obama know such a thing? Does your lord and master have some sort of umbilical connection to the psyche of middle America?

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not ready for prime-time. Combine that with his self-righteous attitude and this will only be the first of many more gaffes to come.

Posted by: Larry | April 11, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

AJ -

People don't think Obama is an elitist because he is rich. They think is an elitist because he tries to describe people's poltical views and faith as being symptoms of a primitive mind in a bad economy.

Don't have to be rich to be an elitist. Ever speak to an assistant college professor?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

If Obama had stopped at the word bitter and not stereotyped all middle-Americans this would not be an issue. He did not stop there because he has a socialist mentality and feels Michelle and he know whats best for Americans. They want middle-America dependent on the government telling us what to do.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst thing he could say. People are hurting and to have a pompous elite tell a crowd of San Fran liberals how he feels about the blue collar workers and their families in this way smacks of condescension and elitism. I have watched for a long time and he seems so out of touch with middle america. If he gets the nod he will be toast and McCain will win! Democrats better think twice!

Posted by: GG | April 11, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

whatever, gosh people will take anything people say and try and turn it into something else. GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: junell Vargas | April 11, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, it looks like Obama was informed enough to recognize that the Clinton camp was leading the criticism in this case.

Of course, Cillizza the partisan wants us to believe that it is only McCain doing the criticizing. What else do you expect from an MSNBC regular?

Posted by: Mike | April 11, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

here comes again mr obama who claim to have roots in poverty and raised by a single mother,now suddenly he has changed his clour and considers himself above the poor people whose votes he is begging.
IT HAS BEEN MY BELIEF ALL ALONG THAT OBAMA IS AN UGLY COPPER POT WITH NICKLE PLATING AND WITH TIME THE NICKLE PLATING IS WEARING OFF AND UGLY COPPER POT IS SHOWING ITS FACE. BECAUSE HE IS FAVOURED BY WHITE COLLAR ELITES SO HE HAS THAT NOTION IN HIM THAT BLUE COLLAR WORKERS ARE SOME HOW INFERIOR AND HE SAYS HE BELIEVES IN GOD TOO.
HOW THEN ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD CANNOT BE EQUALLY BEAUTIFUL. DOES HE ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN GOD ? THE ANSWER IS NO. IT IS JUST A SHOW OR MAY BE HE HAS A DIFFERENT GOD ROOTED AT SOME OTHER PLACE. WAKE UP TO REALITY AMERICA HOW LONG YOU WILL KEEP BEING FOOLED BY THIS CHARMER.
bhagwan deol los angeles

Posted by: bhagwan deol | April 11, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Take heart. We will see this. Even our dear Chris, will see this. He is welcome to see it, even now. This Party will not recede into Clintonism -- not now, not (dear lady) in 2012, and not in the memory of any of those in being on the day you endured sniper fire for your sweet craving of office.
Posted by: Carter Nicholas, Charlottesville | April 11, 2008 9:27 PM
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Touchee (that's elitist French for "a hit!")! Well, done, Mr. Nicholas!

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to disappoint you Obama-haters, but Obama just spoke the truth. Many of the jobs that disappear and decimate communities happen in small-town communities. Some of the people that remain in those communities will become bitter.

Trying to label Obama as an elitist is a very slippery slope for both Hillary and McCain. Both Bill and Hill have earned over $100 million over the last 8 years while hob-nobbing with multi-millionaires and multi-billionaires. John and Cindy McCain have not released their tax returns for good reason. Once Americans see that McCain is richer than the Clintons, people will see him as an elitist.

If Obama can keep replaying his biography narrative from his first post-college job to now, he can gain favor with a lot of average Americans.

Posted by: AJ | April 11, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Rich is rich but super wealthy is elitist.

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Elitist in an attitude and he has it big time.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Ever notice how much Obama supporters like dgw love shouting in caps? Or calling people "lame"?

Obama supporters tend to be the rudest and least cerebral people in the room

Posted by: Mike | April 11, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

don't care what you have to say supporting W you are a 28 percenter.
And in some warped world of your's you think I am endorsing Obama's offensive words? I asked Sen Obama to Please stay out of Texas in Nov IF he is still to become the nominee. Don't think I could make my sentiments any clearer. You seem to be awfully sensitive in your undying support of W, wonder why?

Posted by: Liechtman | April 11, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm a litlle amazed at the outrage Obama's comments have caused. He was analyzing a problem he intends to address. I didn't find him "elitist" the other day when he asked Petraeus to identify a de mininus solution to Iraq. Maybe after seven and a half years of Bush, intelligent analyses sound elitist. We've been "dumbed down" by the worst administration in American history. My only concern is are Americans ready to think outside the box about some of the really pressing questions facing us or are we going to revert to questions of "patriotism," etc.

Posted by: Elinor | April 11, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Even though I now live in suburban MD outside DC, I spent over 20 years of my life in Pennsylvania, most of that in a small town eastern PA, home to both farmers and a state college - my parents still live there and I visit there every 4-6 weeks, if not more often, so I am not out of touch with my roots in any way. My family has been in Pennsylvania since the 1700s. I've had the opportunity to live on both sides of the state (I attended graduate school in Pittsburgh).

Obama is right; he is not wrong. He is speaking the truth, just as he did with his speach about race in America back in March. He isn't critizing PA or Ohio, but telling it like it is, and there are many times when the truth hurts and this is one of them. If it wasn't true, do you think so many people would be lashing out so vehemently in this blog about his comments? How does telling the truth make him an elitist? He wasn't born wealthy like Kerry or either of the Bushes, and he wasn't born to a prominent military family like John McCain's (the son and grandson of 4-star Admirals) or married into a wealthy family like McCain did. Obama is well educated and has done well for himself financially, but he has not accumulated the wealth that other current presidential candidates and past presidents have accumulated. How is he an elite and McCain, the Bushes, Romney, and all of their wealthy, business-owning supporters are not elitist?

Small town Pennsylvanians are good people, but many do not see farther than their small town, which is their whole world. When life is tough, they retreat in to what is comfortable and familiar - religion, hunting (that's what they have guns for if they have guns - hunting is HUGE), and their old, old prejudices about thoes who look different and think they are why their jobs have disappeared. They hear talk about offshoring and NAFTA so they think all of their jobs have headed south of the boarder. They see increasing drugs and crime coincide with increases in people who don't look like the "locals". The two aren't necessarily related, but that's not how the local communities see things - they just see the change and know that it is hurting them and they blame the most visible culprit, even if it isn't the right one.

A point to illustrate my hometown: we're located halfway between two small cities; one is in our county and the other is not. The one outside our county often has slightly better cultural and retail options than the city in our county. What is interesting about this is that when we'd suggest to friends that they'd try a store, restaurant, or show in the city outside of our county, we'd get a "why would I want to go there?" response. I know many people there who could not fathom living anywhere outside of my home county; my high school band trip to Disney World was the first time some of my friends had ever left the state (and NJ is only an hour's drive away). Anything that isn't part of their normal, local world is foreign to them and hard to adjust to.

To reiterate, Pennsylvanians (and their counterparts in Ohio, Iowa, etc) are not bad or evil people - they are tired and frustrated people who don't think anyone cares or is paying attention. Obama hit the nail on the head and it is wonderful to actually hear a politician speak the truth. Maybe once other politicians actually acknowledge the problem and its true causes like Obama did in his speach, and make a good faith effort to address the problems that small towns face instead of just paying those problems lipservice during campaigns, maybe the people in small towns won't have to take out their frustrations on the wrong groups.

Posted by: wogieta | April 11, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve: I see your point, however, the reason I bring up the fact that Obama has taken a lot of money from special interests, is because of the way he has framed his campaign. From the beginning, because he could not run on his record, he has run as the candidate of "change." He promised to bring a new kind of politics; he has said over and over that he doesn't take any money from the special interests. Well, as it turns out, he uses the same method that George Bush and Karl Rove did not circumvent PAC status. That, in my mind, is hardly an act of the candidate of "change."

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Iam
from a small town in Wyoming and that kind
of talk by Barack Hussein Obama will get
Obama's Butt Kicked for it!

Posted by: Sandy5274 | April 11, 2008 9:25 PM
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All I can say is, I sure hope you don't own a gun.......

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

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McAne is an A$$!

Him and his band of 80 yr old pasty white men have had their 200 year reign.

This OLD politics has worked long enough. If these republicans want to get 'shocked' about something, how about the unneccessary waste of money, life, and credibility in Iraq?

Oh, that's right, cause they make money off this stuff. Plus, they can use it to 'scare up' votes. (!!!TERROR!!!)

Talk about out of touch! These guys look like they've got one foot in the grave, the lot of them. They can't relate to squat. First clue: Why haven't they retired? Oh, that's right - they don't work. Manipulating the population is just a hobby.

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Posted by: Reality | April 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

OK IT IS 9.21 PM ON FRIDAY NIGHT.
OBAMA JUST RESPONDED TO THE BITTER COMMENTS WITH A FIRED UP RESPONSE DURING A SPEECH IN INDIANA, LIVE ON CNN.COM.

LET US KNOW HOW THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA AND ALL POST HIS RESPONSE. IT WILL BE ONE BITE AND NOTHING ELSE. SHE IS SO LAME AND SO IS MC CAIN.

Posted by: dgw | April 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. Mr Obama observes that a train of demagogues has fellated the hard-hit to a fare-thee-well of high dudgeon, only to turn its Donna Karanned back upon them once their votes are extracted -- and Republicans see something to dispute? Something unusual, yes. Something trustworthy, yes. Something absolutely frightening, yes. But something inaccurate? Not in the reality-based world in which these voters reside, notwithstanding the catechisms of their deceivers. If the Democrats cannot gain their confidence in the primaries, it is because the Clintons own their fears. But the election will release them, and it will be led by a better Democratic Party than has campaigned for this nation's trust in 75 years.

Take heart. We will see this. Even our dear Chris, will see this. He is welcome to see it, even now. This Party will not recede into Clintonism -- not now, not (dear lady) in 2012, and not in the memory of any of those in being on the day you endured sniper fire for your sweet craving of office.

Posted by: Carter Nicholas, Charlottesville | April 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

To all, you need to follow up on the facts and read what he said in full context.
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He could step in a pile of crap and say sh*t and you Obamanites would say it was out of context and he meant to say ice cream. What a crowd.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean that all the Obama supporters have to commit suicide?

Don't forget your sneakers, Obama supporters, the spaceship leaves at midnight!

Posted by: Does this mean that al the Obama supporters have to commit suicide? | April 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I live in a small town and what Obama said rings true. All decent Democrats, Republicans and Independents support and respect his point of view.

Posted by: Dave G | April 11, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is an elitist he made an 109 million last year oh my mistake that that was Hillary and Bill. He quit a 50 million dollar a year job with Halliburton nope that was Cheney. Oh he comes from a Billionaire family nope that is Bush. He made 2 million off a book he wrote now that is an elitist. Half of what he paid in taxes in loans. Rich is rich but super wealthy is elitist.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

some of the people defending barack obama who claim to be from a small town are actually paid obama workers, I work for them too

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 9:22 PM
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Ya don't say? Wanna identify them? Wanna identify yourself?

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama crafts his speeches very carefully to meet the needs of his audience. During the Wright controversy, Obama took the weekend to get the speech just right by talking about whites, blacks bitterness.

During his speeches in PA small towns he crafts speeches that he feels the people want to hear.

So, of course when he has a fund-raiser with his largest leftist campaign donor's, on the left coast, Obama spent time considering what they wanted to hear. He did not expect the public to hear his low opinion of hard-working Americans. I bet thye had a good laugh talking about us peasant folk. But, golly, gee, we will have the last laugh at election time.

Posted by: skinsfan1978 | April 11, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an ethical, decent man. The Clintons pull the wool over our eyes and laugh all the way to the bank. And lie through their teeth. They make fools of you and me. Most of the world believes Americans are obssessed with guns and religion...while we vote for people like George Bush who screw us. That's not news- and it is not a knock against guns or religion. But maybe we need to open our eyes a little more and demand some accountability from our public officials. I think that is what Barack is trying to say.

Posted by: Mary | April 11, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

So, this is how Democrat Liberal Elitist
Extremist Barack Hussien Obama is going to
Unite Us is it? Well I got news for you
Obama,all you did was spread more of your
crazy divise BS and show what an arrogant
delusional cocaine addict with brain damage
racist political hack you are Barack Obama.
Its time all the Toxic Obama Kool Aid
Drinkers sober up and realize just how totally unfit the Obama's both Barack Hussein and Michelle Obama are to be the
ones running the show for the USA now that
we are finally seeing the real Obama's and
you bet I want an Apology from your racist
and condensing remarks out you Obama. Iam
from a small town in Wyoming and that kind
of talk by Barack Hussein Obama will get
Obama's Butt Kicked for it!

Posted by: Sandy5274 | April 11, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Fred, we appreciate your earnestness, but do you want to contrast those same stats and categories with Clinton and McCain?

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama's weakness is that he's full of crap.

Posted by: Obama's weakness is that he's full of crap | April 11, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman -

Your statment has nothing to do with anything that I have said. If you are incapable of having a logical debate, that's fine. Stick to meaningless ad-hominem attacks that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. You have plenty of peers on this board.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Did Obama bother stepping off his tour bus during his six day tour of PA? He has clearly misunderstood PA.

Posted by: Tirade | April 11, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

There's too much drama with Obama.

Democrats would die of Trauma.

McCain would send him back to mama.


Posted by: Too much drama with Obama | April 11, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing particularly offensive about what Obama said, unless some cable news pundits repeat the supposedly offending lines, out of context, with mock disdain in their voices "cling to their guns and religion..? cling to their guns and religion..? cling to their guns and religion..?"

It's so annoying that they try to make news out of this when they could spend more time reporting real news.

Obama's main weakness in this regard is that he speaks in paragraphs. HRC and McCain speak in soundbites. It's a lot harder to take a soundbite out of context because they're shorter and pretty much supply their own context. When you speak in paragraphs, anything goes...

Posted by: Patio Furniture | April 11, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Does "Iowatreasures" get the prize for posting the same thing over and over and over? Like the Energizer Bunny, but not as smart!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

some of the people defending barack obama who claim to be from a small town are actually paid obama workers, I work for them too

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

ARTICLE ABOUT OBAMA, WHERE HE GETS HIS MONEY, AND THE FACT THAT HE HAS BEEN USING GEORGE BUSH/KARL ROVE TACTICS FROM THE BEGINNING (Please use the link below to read the whole article) -- The Washington Post -- April 11,2008 -- Obama gets plenty of money from big donors too: "Sen. Barack Obama credits his presidential campaign with creating a 'parallel public financing system' built on a wave of modest donations from homemakers and high school teachers. ... But those with wealth and power also have played a critical role in creating Obama's record-breaking fundraising machine, and their generosity has earned them a prominent voice in shaping his campaign. Seventy-nine 'bundlers,' five of them billionaires, have tapped their personal networks to raise at least $200,000 each. ... Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. ... The bundler list also sheds light on those who might seek to influence an Obama White House. It includes traditional Democratic givers -- Hollywood, trial lawyers and Wall Street -- and newcomers such as young hedge fund executives, Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, Chicago-based developers and members of the black business elite." They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed. Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. The use of bundlers was perfected by George W. Bush, who in 2000 and 2004 set some fundraising records that Obama has shattered. Bush established a competitive hierarchy of "Rangers" and "Pioneers," with tracking numbers to monitor fundraisers' progress and silver cuff links and belt buckles for high achievers.
http://tinyurl.com/6dtgq6

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Emerald -

And you agree that your religious views are also a sham? Your views on gun control are also a sham? You are a xenophobe that hates people who don't look like you?

You agree to all of this?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

MR.Obama, I don't know about you, but here where I live people cling to their faith, their religion and their churches, whether they have work or not and please explain to me where Midwesterners being out of jobs relates to clinging to their guns?

Posted by: DianePA | April 11, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes the truth hurts, doesn't it, Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are like Moonies.

At first they were a little interesting because they were so strange and so crazy in love with a total loser.

Then, after a while, they just became boring.

I'm so glad the Obama fad is almost over.

Its been worse than disco.

Posted by: What's the Half Life of an Obama? | April 11, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

morrow 28% is a fact that has only been surpassed by Nixon in the middle of Watergate, so I guess we should place you in the category of one of his remaining 28 percenters.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Bitter? Hell yes we are, and he hit the nail on the head.

We are bitter about the Bush/Clinton war and the more than 4 thousand dead and 10's of thousands wounded young Americans.
We are bitter about the Bush Economy.
We are bitter about American Jobs going overseas, and bitter about NAFTA.
We are bitter about poor health care.
We are bitter about corrupt politicians.
SAY IT LOUDER OBAMA...HELL YES WE ARE BITTER!

HILLARY, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
WE ARE BITTER, ANGRY, MAD, DISAPPOINTED, DISMAYED, AND UPSET. Thankfully OBAMA give us reason to HOPE...Hold On Pray Everyday.

Posted by: Emerald | April 11, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Ann -

I guess you also agree that whatever religious faith you have is not genuine at all. Instead you are "clinging" to this false faith because you have been reduced to a primitive state by the economy?

Is that part of the "truth" that Obama is telling?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is connecting with an important demographic, and that obviously scares the GOP."

Which demographic is that? The people who attend his San Francisco fundraisers?

Posted by: Jay | April 11, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Nixon Would Wince -

Thanks for the bumper sticker rhetoric. We all know that you hate Bush now. Got anything to say that is relevant to the story being discussed?

Why do angry Bush haters feel the need to spew their undifferentiated anti-Bush screeds into every conversation, regardless of the subject?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"Why didn't Obama say this to the afflicted in Pennsylvania, instead of to privileged rich folks in San Francisco?"

simple.its more cynical to take his millions in Nob Hill and basically insult rural Aemricans miles away from rural Indiana. Does anyone think he would have dared to make these insults in Avon or Greenville Indiana or had he known that his comments were being recorded by a Huffington reporter?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Obama's comments sound elitist. But the Republicans are standing on very slippery ground trying to make the case they're the party of the little guy. And the Clinton's $100,000,000 in 8 years? There are no non-elitists in this race.
Posted by: egc52556 | April 11, 2008 9:09 PM
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Right on, egc52556. The question ought to be, which candidate has the highest probability of effecting the change necessary to reverse the increasing gab between haves and have nots. I say "highest probability" because, of course, promises mean nothing: they can be forgotten, misleading and have to pass Congress.

Still, there is an ugly history of anti-intellectualism in America that the Friday-night hatchet job could unleash. I really appreciate the earlier post that suggests Obama could be doing another "rope-a-dope" number, just like with Wright. That was a homerun and this could be, too.

We'll see!

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Bush had a lot of success despite being the smugliest guy on the planet. Voters don't care about smug. Instead, they are looking for someone who connects to them, someone who will address their concerns.

Obama is connecting with an important demographic, and that obviously scares the GOP. Predictably, the GOP starts yelping a unified smear on Obama to cover their vulnerability.

Posted by: Smug | April 11, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Immigration does cause loss of jobs and lower wages. Its a published theorem in math that one way migration eventually causes complete genetic replacement. Its called the Wright Island Model.

" We investigated various cases of the island model with stochastic migration. If the population is infinite, the immigrants have a fixed gene frequency and the alleles are neutral, the gene frequency on the island converges to that of the immigrants.

"

Genetics. 1979 January; 91(1): 163-176.

The Island Model with Stochastic Migration

Thomas Nagylaki

Department of Biophysics and Theoretical Biology, The University of Chicago, 920 East 58th Street, Chicago, Illinois 60637

Notice the address, same as where Obama is a lecturer. Except Nagylaki is a professor and also started out writing papers in quantum field theory.

Ignorant and bitter? Clings to guns and religion?

Men's median wages are the same as in 1973, but productivity has doubled. Women's median wages stopped converging towards men in the 1990's because of immigration and are still what men's were in 1960. See graph page 16:

www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-233.pdf

Women's percentage in the labor force stopped increasing much c. 1990 but their wages stopped going up relative to men in terms of the median and men's stopped going up. But productivity went up another 50 percent from 1990. So that leaves immigration, which increased a huge amount c. 1990 from Bush Sr. increasing it and legal chain migration from the 1986 amnesty.

People are bitter about their alleles converging to those of the immigrants.

Posted by: Old Atlantic | April 11, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

He is right. I live in Michigan, which couldn't get much more depressed if it tried. The jobs aren't coming back, at least not the high paying manufacturing jobs. And people do cling to their religion. We have more churches than bars. And people do cling to what they know - which is all white communities or all black communities. We are an extremely segregated state. It has happened thousands of times over and over throughout history. Why do you people perpetuate the myth that everything is okay?

WE ARE BITTER! Factories were abandoned in the middle of the night, taking the equipment and pension money of the workers to Mexico. Plants closed without warning, meaning workers not only lost their jobs, but were also never paid for the previous two weeks. American Axle expects its workers to take a 50% pay cut or lose their jobs. Can your budget handle a 50% reduction? I doubt it.

But keep on pretending everything is rosy. Keep on pretending that your neighbor losing his job or her house doesn't affect you. Keep lying to yourself. Why is it when some politician, ANY POLITICIAN tells the truth, he or she gets bashed by the opposition?

And you are the same people who claim to love John McCain because he is a straight talker. Well listen up kiddies. He said the same thing in Michigan during the primary.

Posted by: Ann | April 11, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I am from a small town and we are nothing like what Obama calls us. I am insulted. We are hard-working Americans that enjoy small town life instead of the busy roadways of the big city. Obama was already losing ground based on his relationship with Rev Wright, Rev Meeks, and Ayers. This puts the final nail in the coffin.

Remember, he did not want this speech in the public. Do you really believe he would give this speech in PA. Because, we live in small towns, Obama will be surprised to know that we are not dumb.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Quite ironic the McCain campaign contends Barack is out of touch with ordinary Americans when Senator McCain supports a war opposed by most Americans and acknowledges he knows little about economics.

The fact is one of the main reasons why so many Americans are independents or apathetic about the political system is because recent Democratic and Republican administrations, along with the Congresses, seldom represent the interests of hard working middle and working class Americans.

Posted by: Koreen | April 11, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama is telling exactly like it is. A lot of people I know are bitter at the way they have been shafted by Bush and the Republicans. For a millionairs like Hill and Bill to proclaim themselves as representing the middle class shows how out of touch the Washington elite is. Thank God we have at least one candidate who is worth voting for. Go Obama!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

If BO had stopped at the word "bitter" in the following passage, all would be fine. But he did not; instead, he got into a little labeling that makes folks wonder what's the man who allegedly defies labels doing? I'll tell you what he's doing--acting like an I'm smarter than you type; an I figured it out type! You all just need to be led around, to have your blinders taken off and than you too will see.... This guys is a cult of personality!!

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Posted by: lovinliberty | April 11, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's comments were completely accurate. Job losses and economic insecurity have always made people look for a reason."

Manfred, you are saying that the reason that small-town folks in PA support gun rights and have faith is because they are "looking for a reason"?

That is as abusrd as saying the only reason that folks in the city oppose gun rights and are less religious is because they lost their jobs.

It is insulting to claim that people's personal feelings on the 2nd ammendment and faith are not based on informed thought. Instead, Obama wants to claim that these "flaws" are caused by economic conditions. How much more elitist can you be than that?

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are destroying our jobs, heath care, affordable education and opportunities for our children. Bush/McCain/Republicans send the Nation's children to die in a war based on lies and a quick exit. Five years later, Bush/McCain/Republicans send more children to Iraq for more war based on ever changing new lies to police an unwinable civil war that is none of our business.

This needless, reckless war has caused profound death and destruction and has plunged the Nation into a economic death spiral as well.

Posted by: Even Nixon Would Wince | April 11, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I really dont see a thing Obama said that was so wrong....The media once again has twisted a story for ratings ....You can have a Liar like Clinton in the White House or someone who tells the truth in the White House ....Why is it when someone who could heal this world comes along everyone fells the need to trash them...I will never understand why we cant just live in peace instead of trying to have dischord at all times...UNREAL

Posted by: Chris | April 11, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama should have been more sensitive. The comment will hurt him. Nonetheless, what he said was true. It was their bloated union benefits and their living beyond their means that caused those folks in western Pennsylania to lose their jobs to foreign countries, not international trade treaties or illegal immigrants. As the 1950's comic strip character, Pogo, so well put it: "We have met the enemy, and they are us."

Posted by: Carlos Navarro | April 11, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comments were completely accurate. Job losses and economic insecurity have always made people look for a reason. And that reason is often someone who looks different or thinks different. I see an absolutely honest comment and it's funny to see so many pounce on it as some kind of proof of elitism.

Posted by: Manfred | April 11, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have a little honesty than the hypocrisy of candidates paying lip service to guns and religion. The Clinton's aren't elitists?? The Bushes aren't elitist?? Give me a break. Obama is the least elitist of them all. This is a tempest in a teapot. I think what he is trying to tell Americans is, "Wake Up. You've been getting screwed and it's time to do something about it!" Go, Barack!

Posted by: Pat | April 11, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

A cynic would say they are the musings of an elitist. An optimist would say they are the musings of someone who empathizes with the very long history of small town entropy, where nothing changes quickly except the kids running away to the big cities. A moderate would say that the musings of a historian who would like to change things but doesn't quite have the answers as to how to change something so big, so persistent. Most bloggers will just spew forth their pre-formed blabber to meet their own rhetorical necessities.

Posted by: EJB | April 11, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Obama's comments sound elitist. But the Republicans are standing on very slippery ground trying to make the case they're the party of the little guy. And the Clinton's $100,000,000 in 8 years? There are no non-elitists in this race.

Posted by: egc52556 | April 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"White people say stuff like this about the inner city all the time and it is no big deal."

White people say that the only reason black folks are religious is because they lost their jobs? What white people are you talking to?

The libs on this board keep missing the point: Obama views people who have faith or believe in gun rights as being flawed in some way. He demonstrates a lot about how dismissive he is of other views.

Posted by: rmorrow | April 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comments were completely accurate. Job losses and economic insecurity have always made people look for a reason. And that reason is often someone who looks different or thinks different. I see an absolutely honest comment and it's funny to see so many pounce on it as some kind of proof of elitism.

Posted by: Manfred | April 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

We are beginning to see a true picture of Obama

His speech is code for calling middle-Americans gun-toting, bible thumping bigots is another example of Obama playing the race card.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters, on the whole, are not interested in the facts; they are only interested with that which compliments their infatuation. Yes, prior to Obama's candidacy, most Democrats were of the opinion that Bill Clinton was one of the best, perhaps the best, president since FDR. But, that idea got in Obama's way. He couldn't have the reputation of his opponent's husband thwart his ambitions, therefore, with carefully orchestrated race cards and lies of all sorts, he has systematically attempted to destroy the legacy of Bill Clinton and his administration. This is Obama's modus operandi; he destroys all that stands in his way. Before he is finished, he will have destroyed the unity of the Democratic Party; he will have set race relations back 50 years; and he will have destroyed the Democratic Party's chance to win the general election and with it, America's chance to recover from the terrible reign of George Bush. But, I guess to him, all these concerns are secondary to his insatiable and ruthless ambition. To see how he obtained his first elective office, go to this link:
http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: Fred | April 11, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

More making a mountain out of nothing here. When will it stop. Obama's comments were on the whole, probably pretty accurate. Condescending? I don't see it.
Posted by: Ken
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The last four words of this part of your post says it all. "I don't see it". That is the problem with the blind Obamanite sheep. You wouldn't see it if it hit you between the eyes. Leading up to the Ohio I read all those sheep post calling the lunch pail Dems, uneducated this, uneducated that. Obamanites keep reminding everyone how educated they are. Obama is as arrogant. He is elitist. My granddad always said "The belly of the snake always follows the head." How true of Obama and the Obamanites. Non-thinking elitist sheep.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I am from a small town like what obama is talking about and he is right on target! We only see or hear from the politicians when they need our votes. Somehow we consistantly vote against our own interests because the politicians know how to play on our fear of change.

Posted by: Bernie | April 11, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

This is honestly the most RIDICULOUS controversy that I have ever seen. There are real problems in this country. By the way, what Sen. Obama happens to be TRUE. I grew up in small town America. People ARE bitter because they have been abandoned by their government. If you are going to find something to criticize Sen. Obama about, better find something more substantive than this RIDICULOUS FAKE CONTROVERSY. Enough with the FAKE OUTRAGE already.

Posted by: Mariame | April 11, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to be out in the PA rural areas with the "bitter" people next week stumping for Hillary. I kind of felt it was an honor to go there and meet them. I look forward to meeting people in the PA hills.

Posted by: Lynn E | April 11, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Wooooo Doggies, when us Midwesterners are outta work we grab our guns and head on down to the church and we gotta drive 10 miles outta our way to get gas, 'cause the station up the road here is run by one of them ole immigrants and we's don't like them kinds. Most our time is spent sittin 'round whitlen sticks and bein' bitter.

Posted by: BILLYBOB | April 11, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I've lived and worked in small towns for over 30 years.

Whether or not people are bitter is beside the point. The point is that Bush/Cheney carried these areas in my state by 13% over Kerry/Edwards in 2004.

These voters got what they voted for and must accept the facts, bitter or not for today's circumstances are completely deserved.

Posted by: Jerry Spiegler, Nitro, WV | April 11, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Clinton's people jumped on it first, but why bother mentioning that. Like all Post pundits Cillizza can't tell the truth if there is a better way to spin the story for Democrats.

Posted by: Mike | April 11, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Where is this condescension I was supposed to be reading?

White people say stuff like this about the inner city all the time and it is no big deal.

Boo, if you want. You know I am right.

It is a new day, people. The 20th century is officially OVER with this election.

Posted by: Silver Spring. | April 11, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been a senator for two years. He appears as a liberal elitist because he is a liberal elitist. Just as Bush sr didnt know the price of milk and was considered out of touch. Does Obama have some entitlement that he should be percieved as this picture perfect bastion of change? That he cannot be questioned about his patriotism, his elitism or anything at all. If the Republicans bring up anything foolish that he says or that he associates with the liberal elites in the media attack anyone who brings it up. Sorry Chris that anyone questioned the sincerity of your boy and questioned if he represents all Americans and not just liberal Americans who think the way he does like you do.

Posted by: obamafatigue | April 11, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't Obama say this to the afflicted in Pennsylvania, instead of to privileged rich folks in San Francisco?

Posted by: WylieD | April 11, 2008 8:58 PM
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To help them understand the more important part of the party. Get it? Bridge-builder. Empathetic. Intelligent. Good qualities in a president.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

So is insulting and thumbing your nose at
Small Town Americans yet another example of
how "The Great Democrat Liberal Uniter" and
arrogant drug addict political hack loser
Barack Hussein Obama plans to "Unite US"?
I happen to be from a small town and I sure
as Hell learned better values then this out
of touch with reality racist Barack Obama.
And, Iam deeply offended by Obama's stupid
remarks again. I will never vote for Obama
or any other Liberal Democrat after this
totally arrogance and insults by Obama.

Posted by: Claudine | April 11, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think I get it--by "context," Obama supporters mean "read all the parts of the speech except the offensive ones that will get him in trouble." The question is not whether he sympathizes with people from small towns; it's whether he's so tone deaf he thinks it's a good idea to spin a grand theory implying that anyone who cares about social issues (or simply believes in God) is doing so only because they're blinded by "bitter[ness]."

Posted by: Jay | April 11, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Watch out McCain and Co. Obama is about to do another 'rope a dope'. The pattern is now clear. He says or gets ambushed with something that dominates the airwaves and draws in rivals. They start punching away
and ignoring the basic small and large truths beneath the red meat language.

Its a big gotcha according to the old politics, and should sink him, so he gets tons of free publicity, raising his profile as the world focuses on his latest peril and anticipating hi next brilliant comeback.
It is great theater.

In this case his pivot and counter punch is an easy knockout. Times are hard he is recognizing the pain and challenges of small towns and passed over cities.
His rivals basically wind up saying 'the
folk in small towns should BASICALLY smile, shut up, salute and eat cake.
Obama is good at what he does.

Posted by: Empireport | April 11, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the apology, IowaTreasures; I did think for a moment that you might be attempting to crash the blog because of all the supportive comments here.

To you (repeated) post: "I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones."

Are you a novelist by chance? This is really quite artful. You make the dull, grinding reading you allude to later much more palatable. Michelle is highly educated and makes a very good living. Just like Clinton. She has a range of thoughts and emotions and is not shy about articulating them. Just like Clinton. For that matter, just about like any educated person I've ever met.

Is your point that Obama should have married a more appropriate shrinking violet if he had thought more calculatingly about his presidential bid? I for one admire a man who can handle a strong woman. Just like Clinton.

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse


Nice troll, Barrack.

You saved some ad dollars today...

Posted by: John Bailo | April 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I would like for him to apologize for this. I have been in smalltowns as well, and I do know that a lot of people in small towns have these attributes. People who are offended, probably just don't get it like some of us do. Having said that, you always want to stay away from generalizing and labeling people as small town, big city, black, white, green, whatever. And then attributing certain attributes to them based on that, it's just not a good practice, in general. He should stay away from that. People do it all the time, so I really don't think he is any different than anyone else who has done it, but it's just not a good practice. John McCain has said plenty that should be scrutinized. People have given him a pass at the moment because he's just not relevant. The focus is on the democratic nomination. When that's done, people will take another look at him, and it won't be pretty when they do.

Posted by: Rhonda | April 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Neither Obama nor his flock have a clue. He doesn't have enough money, clout, life experience, allies or balls to keep all the highhanded promises he is making to you.

In fact, all he has is You.

Which is like two people arguing "I thought YOU had the keys".

Posted by: Michael Bayh | April 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

John Mellencamp - Small Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eDkAG3R0h8
Vote Barack Obama 08!

Posted by: Raven Girl | April 11, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

If you Obama apologists thinks that he is 100% right and that these comments are right on the mark I hope that he listens to his supprters and repeats your comments. These condescending words are toxic, and for those Obama apologists here who don't understand that they are probably still believing that George Allen is Senator from Virginia.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is telling the truth. Many of the locals in my adopted state of West Virginia have poor job skills and lack higher education. They smoke tobacco in high numbers, don't have adequate health care or dental care. They live in mobile homes and earn minumum wage. They're lucky if they work at Wal Mart and probably work at McDonalds or the Dollar Store. They drive huge cars and trucks. They are living on the edge.

Posted by: Mark | April 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, it is somewhat amusing seeing the Clintons or McCain trying to frame Obama as an elitist.
The good news is that the Repubs are playing their hand early in the game. It won't be difficult for Dems to portray McCain as a flip-flopper, who cozies up to corporate lobbyists, bankers, etc. and who likes to fly on corp. jets. His temper will also eventually flair and it will be easy to portray him as reckless and not the the guy you want answering the phone at 3 a.m.
Regarding Hillary, her credibility is pretty much shot when she is wide awake with coffee, let alone at 3am.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I guess Obama doesn't like religion today.

What Happened to Obama the Church Going Man?

The one who loves Jesus and Rev. Wright?

Which color, flavor, or nationality is Mr. Chameleon tonight?

Posted by: What Happened to Obama The Church Going Man? | April 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't Obama say this to the afflicted in Pennsylvania, instead of to privileged rich folks in San Francisco?

Posted by: WylieD | April 11, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I live in a small town in Pennsylvania, a stereotypical ex-steel town. Obama is absolutely right: we are bitter. We are tired of electing politicians of any party at every level who break every promise as soon as they get elected in order to pad their pockets and feather their nests comfortably with lobbyist and special interest money. We are tired of having money taken out of our pockets for everything and everybody else and being told that somehow it's our fault we didn't get rich in the past 20 years because we didn't work hard enough at the jobs that have disappeared or invest in housing in small towns that are shrinking away to nothing...because there are not enough jobs. Bitter? Clinging to the few things in life that make us happy and give us a sense of belonging? Suspicious of outsiders? Damn right we are! You Washington insiders are the elitists! you have taken and taken and taken and we simply have nothing left for you to take any more -- but that won't stop you.

So why is it that Obama is being condemned for hitting the nail on the head? He's right, and as one of the little people, I don't feel like I'm being condecended to.

And we are especially tired of well-paid, true elitist pundits who don't have to live with the constant worry of not only losing their jobs but actually starving and being homeless telling us how we are supposed to feel and what we are supposed to think. We are not the proles of 1984, however much your egos may be stroked by your misplaced sense of superiority.

Oh, and for the record, I'm an atheist who doesn't own a gun, and a pro-immigration and free-trade republican-leaning libertarian.

Posted by: COTM | April 11, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Chris
Obama is from Illinois abaut as much as Clinton is from New York
The "label" will easily stick

Posted by: markie H | April 11, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures, what exactly does all of your dribble have to do with the comment Obama made that rings true about the bitterness of blue collar workers? Absolutely nothing, Obama says more in 3 words than you'll ever say, period...Yes WE Can!

Posted by: Terry | April 11, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Clintonite | April 11, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like the Huffington Post, the Washington Post, the Republicans, and Hillary are making an awful lot out of nothing. To me it sounded more like he was trying to explain an underlying source of the frustrations of economically depressed small town Pennsylvanians and the task ahead of him to reach those with his message. Granted, he may have chosen words that wouldn't have provided fodder for the other camps, but typical gotcha politics once again makes a mountain out of a mohill.

I'm sure he will follow up with a statement that will clarify his remarks so even the simplest minds will say "oh yeah... NOW I get it."

Posted by: aBigSAM | April 11, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Also, some of the responses from Obama supporters are just perfect. If you think that telling Americans who are religious and/or own a gun that these traits are all some sort of false-consciousness response to their economic troubles, please, make that the focus of your campaign.
Of course the whole speech wasn't a rabid denunciation of small towns; the "context" of attempted empathy is exactly what makes his condescension--the belief that he knows better than they do what's good for rural people--so clear.

Posted by: Jay | April 11, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

RE: "Of course, Obamanuts will declare that reporting his words is a racist plot. SOP for them. Only Saint OBama's official press releases should be carrying in the media.

Posted by: William | April 11, 2008 8:51 PM"
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Do you see a single word in this blog claiming that, William? I don't. What are your thoughts about McCain's versus Obama's plans for helping small town America? Care to post something intelligent for a change?

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry everyone, for the multiple postings of my one comment. My computer wasn't working right and wouldn't send the comment (so I thought), so I kept trying to send it. I really apologize - hope you can get past the multiple postings to read others comments. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

OK, the bowling didn't go well.

No need to trash the whole state!

Posted by: WylieD | April 11, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

wow- once again the TRUTH HURTS and sound bytes are twisted by political lunatics to say whatever they want them to say. I think that he was saying that it was understandable that people were cynical of politics in general and closed minded to the notion of changing politics in the midwest and rustbelt areas that have seen such some brutal job mkts and economic situations. He was also correct in assessing that far too many democrats voted for republicans and George Bush types because they were bamboozled into voting for "morals" or "founding fathers rights (gun control) and in voting GOP they VOTED AGAINST THEIR OWN POCKETBOOKS because of the focus being shifed to divisive issues that he mentioned. If you read what he said IN CONTEXT (msnbc, nytimes, cnn, corporate media needs to study concept of context desperately) if is pretty clear that he wasn't saying that voters in penn. are bitter or stupid or whatever people are making such a fuss about...

Posted by: stew118 | April 11, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

We are a people of 5 second news bites...and this will not play well. I say that in a small town with most stores closed, most jobs gone, an aging town....and a rifle in every house. and churches trying to make a go of it. People of power wonder why those of us out in the countryside don't march, complain, demand a clean-up....because Obama is right....we're tired. We just don't like anyone telling us we're partly to blame for the mess we've made because we're just not involved. At least he's honest.

Posted by: Retired Rev. | April 11, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right - and he has nothing to apologize for. Can the country really expect to fix its social and economic problems when just speaking honestly and intelligently about them draws cackles from those (like Clinton and McCain) who resent the "smart kid" for being right? Or worse, try to convince those who don't understand what he said that he said something offensive? Are we a bunch of snickering sixth-graders?

Obama is a man of and for the people. If being smart and honest makes you an elitist in America, then our society is genuinely stupid.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Sandra, obviously your bitter comments are not about this article. So I hope you do not think we are taking your comments as responding to this article. It's obvious that you are not. You don't like Obama, so anything he says will be pounced on by you. We get it.

Posted by: Rhonda | April 11, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse


Obama is the darling of the paternailistic well off elitist left. Did you expect anything else of him?

Of course, Obamanuts will declare that reporting his words is a racist plot. SOP for them. Only Saint OBama's official press releases should be carrying in the media.

Posted by: William | April 11, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

WOW! I am from a small town and I happen to agree very much with his comments.
The truth hurts!
Our government has allowed our jobs to leave, we get no health care but the politicians do and we pay for it!
Gas is $4.00 a gallon, we owe trillions of dollars to China, and we need to stand up and take our country back!
GO OBAMA O8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sb | April 11, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Republican pride is killing our country. The Republicans would see this country go belly up before they ever admitted they were wrong. When Ronald Reagan coined the infamous 'thou shall not speak ill of another Republican,' in essence he was saying that this country was for the GOP, and only the GOP. Ronald Reagan was saying that the Republican party was above the United States of America. Well, Ronny, just look at the party now. Destroyed. Dead is the conservative voice that was once an integral part of our structure.

So, point your finger at Obama? So what - You're nobody.

Posted by: Billy | April 11, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The good news is that Obama responded immediately and forcefully before the right wing smear machine could really take over the story. This shows he's learned from the swiftboating of John Kerry in 2004, which is to get out ahead of the story and counter punch within the same news cycle. Hannity will be frothing at the mouth come Monday, of course, but by then Obama will have already deftly deflected this spurious attack.

Posted by: Irratical | April 11, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Some of these comments are unbelievably ignorant.

I know a couple of people who grew up poor and then EARNED their way through Harvard. Why does a degree from Harvard make someone an elitist?
And being from the South Side of Chicago certainly doesn't. The south side was street gang territory when I was a child there in the 80s. We eventually moved to a small southern town where there were...yes...a lot of bitter folk.

Obama has nothing to apologize for. Perhaps it is time for another one of those candid, uncomfortable talks.

Geezzz...The truth to some people is like kryptonite to Superman.

Posted by: Nevermind | April 11, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

unbelievable that any Obama supporter would rationalize this statement with comments like I agree with Obama ... 100% or it was meant to be private. Do you have no shame? You do, it warranted an immediate and full apology (to a bunch of Nob Hill supporters). It was so offensive in so many ways. When people in small towns are bitter they turn to religion or guns or immigrant bashing. Huh is that what he thinks of religious voters or gun owners? Dukakas would not have even said anything that dumb.
And this from the campaign who's whole theme is that we should vote for him so he can bring us together, no red America no blue America. No only urban America v rural America, religious voters and gun owners v urban voters.
If mark is out there curious how he thinks this will play in Washington Cty and Brazos and to the Texas voters deciding the Doherty congressional race. My guess, a disaster that even his millions can't erase which will destroy him in southern Ohio, rural Pa and those Indiana voters he just spoke to.
What a gift to the RNC. Also in his San Francisco fundraiser he reportedly said he doesn't need any help with foreign policy with his VP choice. Looks like a McGovern type outcome. Please Sen Obama if you still become the nominee after this absolutely boneheaded remark, stay out of Texas in Nov. so we can still win a couple of state local elections.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Almost correct, Jay. Chris doesn't blame Republicans, he simply thinks they're the only ones who will be opportunists. The real opportunist, of course, is Clinton, Obama's primary opponent. Fowler must have tipped off Clinton because the Clinton response hit YouTube almost the instant Fowler "broke" the story. Repubs are on the bandwagon: this one has Clinton's fingerprints all over it.

Note "Max" response here: pretty telling.

Great response, Emerald Falcon.

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Many of these posts are proof positive of what Obama said...people are mad as hell, and sometimes their anger is misdirected. Obama, whose experience includes community organizing, speaks from firsthand knowledge of working WITH people who have lost their jobs due to plant closures. For McCain, Clinton and others to express outrage, just shows how far removed they are from the lives of real people.

Posted by: Joyce | April 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

For the posters who think the Obama supporters commenting on here are paid staffers I've got news for you. I'm a 54 year old white woman who voted for Clinton twice but with any luck I won't have to this year.

Look up Rome NY and read it's history, it is not very pretty. Obama wouldn't have to pay me to print my story. I've been waiting since 1987, when I lost my job at Rome Cable to tell it. Remember the Reagan union busting tactics? And the 90's free trade? Thanks to Obama I'll get to tell it loud and clear when he's my President.

Posted by: Terry | April 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Darn right they are bitter.

WE ARE ALL BITTER. POLLS SHOW HIGHEST NUMBER OF COUNTRY WRONG TRACK IN HISTORY --THE BUSH/MCCAIN/REPUBLICAN POLICIES OF RECKLESS WARS, MOVING JOBS OVERSEAS AND TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.

With BUSH/CHENEY/MCCAIN, Iraq, the destruction of the Constitution, Abramoff, the fact that Republicans are the party of the rich by the rich for the rich moves back stage.

When Republicans were perceived as fiscally and militarily responsible, their support of the rich money interests was tolerated.

But now what is left of THE BUSH/CHENEY/MCCAIN/Republicans:

1. They are reckless in the extreme in foreign and military policy and are a direct threat to us and our children.

2. They are incompetent at governance (Katrina), and fiscal policy (pork, tax cuts, unnecessary wars).

3. Their political base is corporations, the rich and middle east war zealots that can afford first class heath care for themselves, jobs cuts here and factors in China, but third world health care for the rest of us.

No wonder they are basing all their bets on fear mongering -- terror and immigration. They are totally bankrupt.

Posted by: f-ing bitta | April 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Who's taking sniper fire? | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes. this might be elitism but if it is right then it is right

Posted by: superuser | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes. this might be elitism but if it is right then it is right

Posted by: superuser | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes. this might be elitism but if it is right then it is right

Posted by: superuser | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

My guess is Clinton and McCain are looking at the polls and seeing Obama ahead nationally.

Posted by: juked | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Karen. You got all of that out of that one paragraph? I believe you might be a little bitter about Obama leading in pledged delegates and the popular vote and gaining on Clinton in PA. Let me ask you this? Are you as outraged about Obama's comments as you are about the Clinton's lying or the fact that many people who had information about their past "indiscretions" are no longer with us? I know I am very concerned about it.

Posted by: Rhonda | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

unbelievable that any Obama supporter would rationalize this statement with comments like I agree with Obama ... 100% or it was meant to be private. Do you have no shame? You do, it warranted an immediate and full apology (to a bunch of Nob Hill supporters). It was so offensive in so many ways. When people in small towns are bitter they turn to religion or guns or immigrant bashing. Huh is that what he thinks of religious voters or gun owners? Dukakas would not have even said anything that dumb.
And this from the campaign who's whole theme is that we should vote for him so he can bring us together, no red America no blue America. No only urban America v rural America, religious voters and gun owners v urban voters.
If mark is out there curious how he thinks this will play in Washington Cty and Brazos and to the Texas voters deciding the Doherty congressional race. My guess, a disaster that even his millions can't erase which will destroy him in southern Ohio, rural Pa and those Indiana voters he just spoke to.
What a gift to the RNC. Also in his San Francisco fundraiser he reportedly said he doesn't need any help with foreign policy with his VP choice. Looks like a McGovern type outcome. Please Sen Obama if you still become the nominee after this absolutely boneheaded remark, stay out of Texas in Nov. so we can still win a couple of state election.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

How dare a pathological liar,fraud and out
of touch with reality sleazy Chicago political hack liberal extremist Democrat
elitist Barack Hussein Obama attack the
very values that many of us,who came from
small towns all over America,like I did as
well,with his insulting,degrading,racist,
angry,arrogance this way. I hope anyone who
was thinking of voting for Barack Obama
will now vote against this pompus petty
little tyrant total loser. You damn well
bet Barack Hussein Obama owes all of us an
Immediate Apology and Obama must get out
of the campaign here and now. Obama and his
obnoxious hateful racist wife Michelle Obama are definitely totally unfit to be
President and First Lady of the United States. I will vote against every damn
Democrat on the ballot as my reply to it.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Who's taking sniper fire? | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Who's taking sniper fire? | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

How dare a pathological liar,fraud and out
of touch with reality sleazy Chicago political hack liberal extremist Democrat
elitist Barack Hussein Obama attack the
very values that many of us,who came from
small towns all over America,like I did as
well,with his insulting,degrading,racist,
angry,arrogance this way. I hope anyone who
was thinking of voting for Barack Obama
will now vote against this pompus petty
little tyrant total loser. You damn well
bet Barack Hussein Obama owes all of us an
Immediate Apology and Obama must get out
of the campaign here and now. Obama and his
obnoxious hateful racist wife Michelle Obama are definitely totally unfit to be
President and First Lady of the United States. I will vote against every damn
Democrat on the ballot as my reply to it.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Who's taking sniper fire? | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

My guess is Clinton and McCain are looking at the polls and seeing Obama ahead nationally.

Posted by: juked | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Who's taking sniper fire? | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Darn right they are bitter.

WE ARE ALL BITTER. POLLS SHOW HIGHEST NUMBER OF COUNTRY WRONG TRACK IN HISTORY --THE BUSH/MCCAIN/REPUBLICAN POLICIES OF RECKLESS WARS, MOVING JOBS OVERSEAS AND TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.

With BUSH/CHENEY/MCCAIN, Iraq, the destruction of the Constitution, Abramoff, the fact that Republicans are the party of the rich by the rich for the rich moves back stage.

When Republicans were perceived as fiscally and militarily responsible, their support of the rich money interests was tolerated.

But now what is left of THE BUSH/CHENEY/MCCAIN/Republicans:

1. They are reckless in the extreme in foreign and military policy and are a direct threat to us and our children.

2. They are incompetent at governance (Katrina), and fiscal policy (pork, tax cuts, unnecessary wars).

3. Their political base is corporations, the rich and middle east war zealots that can afford first class heath care for themselves, jobs cuts here and factors in China, but third world health care for the rest of us.

No wonder they are basing all their bets on fear mongering -- terror and immigration. They are totally bankrupt.

Posted by: f-ing bitta | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Darn right they are bitter.

WE ARE ALL BITTER. POLLS SHOW HIGHEST NUMBER OF COUNTRY WRONG TRACK IN HISTORY --THE BUSH/MCCAIN/REPUBLICAN POLICIES OF RECKLESS WARS, MOVING JOBS OVERSEAS AND TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.

With BUSH/CHENEY/MCCAIN, Iraq, the destruction of the Constitution, Abramoff, the fact that Republicans are the party of the rich by the rich for the rich moves back stage.

When Republicans were perceived as fiscally and militarily responsible, their support of the rich money interests was tolerated.

But now what is left of THE BUSH/CHENEY/MCCAIN/Republicans:

1. They are reckless in the extreme in foreign and military policy and are a direct threat to us and our children.

2. They are incompetent at governance (Katrina), and fiscal policy (pork, tax cuts, unnecessary wars).

3. Their political base is corporations, the rich and middle east war zealots that can afford first class heath care for themselves, jobs cuts here and factors in China, but third world health care for the rest of us.

No wonder they are basing all their bets on fear mongering -- terror and immigration. They are totally bankrupt.

Posted by: Wrong Track Bush/McCaini/Clinton | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

That the GOP has the audacity to point a finger at anything might just be the most hypocritical move in the history of time.

Your fired. Morons.

Posted by: TW | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

unbelievable that any Obama supporter would rationalize this statement with comments like I agree with Obama ... 100% or it was meant to be private. Do you have no shame? You do, it warranted an immediate and full apology (to a bunch of Nob Hill supporters). It was so offensive in so many ways. When people in small towns are bitter they turn to religion or guns or immigrant bashing. Huh is that what he thinks of religious voters or gun owners? Dukakas would not have even said anything that dumb.
And this from the campaign who's whole theme is that we should vote for him so he can bring us together, no red America no blue America. No only urban America v rural America, religious voters and gun owners v urban voters.
If mark is out there curious how he thinks this will play in Washington Cty and Brazos and to the Texas voters deciding the Doherty congressional race. My guess, a disaster that even his millions can't erase which will destroy him in southern Ohio, rural Pa and those Indiana voters he just spoke to.
What a gift to the RNC. Also in his San Francisco fundraiser he reportedly said he doesn't need any help with foreign policy with his VP choice. Looks like a McGovern type outcome. Please Sen Obama if you still become the nominee after this absolutely boneheaded remark, stay out of Texas in Nov. so we can still win a couple of state local elections.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

How dare a pathological liar,fraud and out
of touch with reality sleazy Chicago political hack liberal extremist Democrat
elitist Barack Hussein Obama attack the
very values that many of us,who came from
small towns all over America,like I did as
well,with his insulting,degrading,racist,
angry,arrogance this way. I hope anyone who
was thinking of voting for Barack Obama
will now vote against this pompus petty
little tyrant total loser. You damn well
bet Barack Hussein Obama owes all of us an
Immediate Apology and Obama must get out
of the campaign here and now. Obama and his
obnoxious hateful racist wife Michelle Obama are definitely totally unfit to be
President and First Lady of the United States. I will vote against every damn
Democrat on the ballot as my reply to it.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

How dare a pathological liar,fraud and out
of touch with reality sleazy Chicago political hack liberal extremist Democrat
elitist Barack Hussein Obama attack the
very values that many of us,who came from
small towns all over America,like I did as
well,with his insulting,degrading,racist,
angry,arrogance this way. I hope anyone who
was thinking of voting for Barack Obama
will now vote against this pompus petty
little tyrant total loser. You damn well
bet Barack Hussein Obama owes all of us an
Immediate Apology and Obama must get out
of the campaign here and now. Obama and his
obnoxious hateful racist wife Michelle Obama are definitely totally unfit to be
President and First Lady of the United States. I will vote against every damn
Democrat on the ballot as my reply to it.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

How dare a pathological liar,fraud and out
of touch with reality sleazy Chicago political hack liberal extremist Democrat
elitist Barack Hussein Obama attack the
very values that many of us,who came from
small towns all over America,like I did as
well,with his insulting,degrading,racist,
angry,arrogance this way. I hope anyone who
was thinking of voting for Barack Obama
will now vote against this pompus petty
little tyrant total loser. You damn well
bet Barack Hussein Obama owes all of us an
Immediate Apology and Obama must get out
of the campaign here and now. Obama and his
obnoxious hateful racist wife Michelle Obama are definitely totally unfit to be
President and First Lady of the United States. I will vote against every damn
Democrat on the ballot as my reply to it.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The cable news shows are calling this from a scale of one to ten - an eleven for Obama and his elitist remarks about home town America.

I have seen the elitist, pompous, arrogant side of Obama (both of them) since Iowa.
For some reason, during the first debate, my mouth actually fell open when I heard Obama answer the question of where his children went to school. To paraphrase, since that was a long time ago, Obama said, "My girls go to private schools, whereas other people send their children to public schools 'because they don't know how to work the system.' "

That shocked me. Then I heard Obama say, "I know how to win elections." Then I watched how he masterfully played the "victim" card and Hillary was the "villain," everytime somebody - anybody - said anything about his muslim roots (which are documented by the Kenya Government as Obama being an Arab-African), where Obama has dual citizenship - there in Kenya and here in the U.S.) - but it was Hillary's fault that anyone spoke of his being raised a muslim until he was 10 years old, learning the Koran, etc., living in Kenya and then going to Hawaii to be mentored by a communist named "Frank" in Obama's book.

I watched how elitist Michelle was in her speeches on C-Span - how she leaned forward against the lectern, with her dark, furrowed brow look chastizing and ostrazing her audiences about what was wrong with America and that Barack was not going to let them stay in their comfort zones.

This elitist problem for Barack now is something I have seen in him all along. And now, reading about his background in Chicago politics and how his financial campaign manager for his senatorial campaigns was Antoin Rezko, and his financial campaign manager now, is a very wealthy woman who inherited some fortunes from a hotel in Chicago, that is also the same financial campaign manager for Nancy Pelosi, you can see, from all the elitist people in the Obama background, plus all the anti-American people in his background, Bill clinton hit it right on the head during the Iowa caucuses - "Barack Obama is like a roll of the dice."

Bill was being kind - This whole Barack Obama thing is mind-boggling. There has been news about Obama's background on the web for months - Google Alerts - Rezko, and Auchi, and Mayor Daley, and the slum landlord corruption, millions of dollars being passed around = Michelle introducing Barack to the Daley corruption machine (because she worked in that office), before they even got married.

It is complicated - it is tedius reading, and it is important to learn about Obama - It is truly the most complicated set of corrupt circumstances I have ever seen. John Kerry even went to Chicago in 2004 and was wined and dined by that bunch, and given a fund raiser then, by the same corrupt bunch.

I know Hillary has issues some people don't like - but she is a tried and true American - who works every day in a positive way for the people. We can count on her for that much. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Sniper fire. | April 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Y9u can handle the truth. | April 11, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing how the GOP Party sychophants feel they are entiitled to thier own vision of reality while mainstream Americans see a reality as it really exists.

Obama's statements of the working class's feeling of disenfranchisment from the elite and well-heeled is real and should not be taken as an insult to small towns at all. It's just another attempt by the GOP to distort reality in order to hang on to the power they have stolen by the midboggling corruption that has permeated the party and know they are about to lose this grasp of power due to thier own corruption and greed and the working class Americans want hier government back to work for them instead of the rich and corporate monsters that have taken control.

Posted by: Bob in Kansas City | April 11, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Who's taking sniper fire? | April 11, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing how the GOP Party sychophants feel they are entiitled to thier own vision of reality while mainstream Americans see a reality as it really exists.

Obama's statements of the working class's feeling of disenfranchisment from the elite and well-heeled is real and should not be taken as an insult to small towns at all. It's just another attempt by the GOP to distort reality in order to hang on to the power they have stolen by the midboggling corruption that has permeated the party and know they are about to lose this grasp of power due to thier own corruption and greed and the working class Americans want hier government back to work for them instead of the rich and corporate monsters that have taken control.

Posted by: Bob in Kansas City | April 11, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Who's a liar? Oh I see. Its Obama that's taking sniper fire now.
Ha! Ha! Ha! ha!

Posted by: Who's taking sniper fire? | April 11, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

What an incredibly biased post. Obama makes a pretty embarrassing (and revealing) gaffe, and the blogger tries to make the whole story about the evils of the Republican response.

Posted by: Jay | April 11, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Damn. American people are stupid, especially the right wing twits acting all outraged over what is actually a legitimate point. Just vote for a 3rd Bush term and stop pretending to be so incensed, jerks.

Posted by: Porchnik | April 11, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Most Americans ARE bitter. Filled your tank lately? Tried to sell your house? Lost your job? Worried about the future? Iraq? Bitter hardly describes it. People who aren't bitter are too cozy in their country clubs or brainwashed by Fox News to notice what's going on.

Posted by: Truthmonger | April 11, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

This is the problem, folks:

"OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM"

Contrast that statement, in support of Clinton, with all the other comments here from small town American.....

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

This latest remark is just further proof of Obama's disdain for white America. I'm not at all surprised by his comments. After all, he sat in the Rev. Wright's church for 20 years getting brain washed by an America hating, white hating, racist and manipulating preacher that he admits is a close friend and spiritual adviser. The puzzle pieces for this guy are being put together and it is showing a picture of a VERY flawed human being that is an elitist liberal at best and a closet racist at worst. Add to this his wife's comments about America and the puzzle is even more complete. Once again the Democrats have allowed the far left liberal extreme portion of the party (this includes most of the media too) to ram another unelectable candidate down their throats. When will the average Democrat Joe ever learn and take back control of their party?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Bitter? Hell yes we are, and he hit the nail on the head.

We are bitter about the Bush/Clinton war and the more than 4 thousand dead and 10's of thousands wounded young Americans.
We are bitter about the Bush Economy.
We are bitter about American Jobs going overseas, and bitter about NAFTA.
We are bitter about poor health care.
We are bitter about corrupt politicians.
SAY IT LOUDER OBAMA...HELL YES WE ARE BITTER!

HILLARY, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
WE ARE BITTER, ANGRY, MAD, DISAPPOINTED, DISMAYED, AND UPSET. Thankfully OBAMA give us reason to HOPE...Hold One Pray Everyday.

Posted by: Emerald Falcon | April 11, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I have to scratch my head on this one? Did he say this on purpose to generate some discussion on this? He is a smart politician and I have a hard time imagining he would not have known that this would be all over the news if someone got wind of it.
Very interesting to see how this one is going to play out. There's some truth to what he said but did he say it in the right way? Will the small towners appreciate it? Looks like I'll be off cable TV this weekend and see how this plays out next week.

Posted by: billychunge | April 11, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Republicans persist in treating the truth as if it were politically incorrect. The official theory is that it's hearts and flowers out there in the rust belt, I suppose. The Republicans are the party of denial, and Americans have been into denial, and it has served the party. So far.

Well when your way of life starts going down the drain, you may get a bit mean. The Repubs have had this sort of gambit blow up in their face twice before already, I wait to see how they fare this time. Because a lot of folks are starting to ask questions about why their way of life is going down the drain, and the answer isn't welfare queens, Democrats, or because of talking about it.

Posted by: fzdybel | April 11, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it in 2004 that Karl Rove used the issue of Gay Marriage as one of the focal rallying point for the Republican base? YES

What happened with the Federal proposal the he and President Bush promised? NOTHING

In his instance was religious values of people used? YES

Is this an example of what Barack (ok Hussein) Obama meant w/ his comment? YES

Posted by: MG | April 11, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I am not sure I see the story here. It is true in many towns people have been hurt by our trade policies, anti-union policies, outsourcing, tax breaks for the rich, tax breaks for big oil, pharma, defense contractors, immigration policies etc........

Posted by: m | April 11, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

People can't the handle the truth. Did you miss the story last week where it was reported by a sheriff reponding to a family murder/suicide in Virginia that people will kill their families and commit suicide because of the economy and their frustration with their situation. Its happening all over including PA. Next thing you know the next family suicide in Pa will be blamed on Obama. People are upset and perhaps if we would stop ignoring them you could probably stop someone for going postal. By the way, its the Clintons who push this story first.
Oh yeah, stop taking Obama comments out of context. Everybody's not smart, but everybody's not dumb either.

Posted by: Remarks taken out of context | April 11, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Listen hear, my friends: I come from Pennsylvania, where my father worked for thirty years in the steel mills before getting laid off, and I struggle every day to try and make it as a published cartoonist making fun of just this kind of crap. But I'm lucky enough to have gotten out of the Keystone State! And, what Obama said is absolutely 100% completely true. The irony is that it's the real elites who bend it against Obama in this case. And, further, I know Obama is an elitist! Where were all these pundits when he made that "arugula" statement months and months ago. But to even suggest that what he says about Pennsylvanians is untrue, is to be a completely ridiculous, elitist ass! And, "Mr. Fix" seems to never stop being that! Bravo, moron!

Posted by: David Kish | April 11, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

SherryKay: nope, no paid Obama staffers so far--just a few shills like you who won't address the comments in context, a couple of people like me providing the transcript, and a whole bunch of people from small towns corroborating the fundamental truth we all know is there: small town America has been shat upon by the corporatists, like the Clintons and McCain.

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama will give another speech like the race speech which will ultimately raise his stature even higher than it is now.

Posted by: ArtB | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is the LIAR FOLKS. He has NO ABILITY to understand another's point of view.

www.stop-obama.org

PITTSBURGH FOR HILLARY.

Posted by: MAX | April 11, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

To all, you need to follow up on the facts and read what he said in full context. Here is the full transcript of what Obama said at the fundraiser. You can also view it on MSNBC's website. There is nothing condecending about his remarks.

*** UPDATE *** The transcript (via Huffington Post) of Obama's remarks is below....

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

Posted by: aerica | April 11, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what he said because I am sure he did not speak about being bitter to disparge anyone. He just emphasized that the people in these towns have been left behind and nobody cares. He has my vote.

Posted by: truth1 | April 11, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

What did Obama say that isn't true and what about his remarks make him elitist? Obama gets hammered for this, but Clinton can tell an outright, unnecessary lie and continue her campaign for president. The Bush/Cheney administration can do ANYTHING, including torture people, and almost nothing is said and absolutely nothing is done.

I'm confused about how people make decisions on what is true, appropriate or good. If the people in Pennsylvania believe McCain gives a hoot about them or if they care to ignore Clinton's support of NAFTA, then so be it.

Posted by: Gardenia | April 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Clintonfatigue | April 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, like the Republicans that send everybody else's kids off to war are just regular guys.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 11, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Holds the "story" for a week and, on a Friday night, releases part of the quote, out of context. Nice job, Fowler: you angling for a job on a losing campaign? You chose to release the "incendiary" comment out of context first, and do the nightly shows, and repeat the words out of context, when the context clearly shows Obama meant the opposite of what you imply.

I don't expect empathy from McCain, but this is the equivalent of the Bush South Carolina "illegitimate black child" moment he experienced. Obama has shown he's up to the challenge: let's see what he's made of.

Remember the name Fowler: she's the worst kind of hack.

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

From a small town in PA, pop 700. he is speaking the truth which it would seem a lot of people do not wish to hear.

Posted by: Chuck | April 11, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Well-stated "Graham"!

Posted by: Nevermind | April 11, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

People can't the handle the truth. Did you miss the story last week where it was reported by a sheriff reponding to a family murder/suicide in Virginia that people will kill their families and commit suicide because of the economy and their frustration with their situation. Its happening all over including PA. Next thing you know the next family suicide in Pa will be blamed on Obama. People are upset and perhaps if we would stop ignoring them you could probably stop someone for going postal. By the way, its the Clintons who push this story first.

Posted by: People can't the handle the truth | April 11, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

So it looks like the Obama Campaign has got
it's paid bloggers out in force to defend
their phony elitist condensing insulting
candidate Barack Hussein Obama. And there
is no denying that this time Obama in his
obnoxious arrogance went too far in his
degrading insults about Small Town America
and small town Americans.You bet as someone
orginially from a small town in Wyoming I
deeply resent your vicious attack Senator
Barack Hussein Obama and I find you even
more insulting and arrogant then even
George W Bush and George H W Bush with
Draft Dodger Dick Cheney thrown in.Obama
owes us an immediate apology and then to
get the Hell out of the Presidential Campaign and every Democrat needs to publically disown that loser divisive Obama. As I agree Barack Obama is unfit
to be President with that kind of elitist
and arrogant attitude as well as Obama's
endless lying and cocaine use and racism.

Posted by: Sherry Kay | April 11, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

One of these days Americans will actually learn how to read English. Read the quote. What he said is simple. People in the mid west have been getting screwed time and time again. No jobs, no health care and a Republican party that could care less. "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
This is elitist. Give me a break. I would feel the same way if I had been screwed most of my life by a bunch of rich elitist Republicans who care only about themselves. Obama is trying to break through the xenophobic exploitation that Republicans have been using for 50 years to get poor people to vote against their own interest. Wake up people. Learn how to read.

Posted by: Kevin McCollum | April 11, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I've lived and worked in a small town all of my life. I've watched 3 major manufacturing plants close (one I worked at) on their way to going overseas, a major base closing and kids leave by the thousands. You bet people are bitter. The only thing that remains constant is religion and guns. But now even the churches are closing. Obama speaks the truth, if the people don't like what he said they haven't lived it.

I can't believe Clinton and McCain can criticize Obama, they haven't ever lost a job because of the dumb laws they've supported.

Posted by: Terry | April 11, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I lived in a small town and was told in the office that i worked in that Martin luther king didn't do anything for white people. When i tried to explain that attacking Iraq was the most ass backwards response to a bunch of Wahabi Sunnis from Suadi Arabia attacking us and would lead to a civil war, they thought that I was clueless. They have since woken up to the perils of blindless patriotism. These same people that spent months calling Barrack a Muslim are now complaining about his christian minister. Oh yea and kerry was an elitist and Bush wasn't. Black is white and the truth is a lie.

Posted by: Rob | April 11, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in a small town in Nebraska, lived in cities in the west for 15 years and now live in a small town in Maine. I have ALOT of experience living in small towns.

Who am I to know but I think there is a lot of truth in what Obama said. It's so damned sad and disheartening to see this get twisted into what people are twisting this into.

Posted by: muddy waters | April 11, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing. Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism. But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

Posted by: ank | April 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama is in real trouble here. Pennsylvania has been described as Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with "Alabama" in the middle. I am from Alabama and just talked to people at my church and asked people that I knew liked Obama about what they thought about the comments. Lets just say they were not happy about having their reasons for attending church and owning guns questioned by someone from Chicago that attended Harvard. I like Obama but this is "bad" He better cling to an apology.

Posted by: Harley | April 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me how Obama's comments are elitist? But, please read the entire transcript before responding. I genuinely want to understand this because when I read his comments, I found truth in them. I'm from a suburb of Houston, TX and there are many people I know who feel left out, hopeless so you do find outlets--church, guns, etc. I'm serious, please help me understand where your "bitterness" towards his comments come from.

Posted by: EM | April 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

So?

Remember the rock song from 30 years ago, the one with the lyrics: "Nothing but the dead and dying in my little town"?

I come from the Rust Belt, and the alienation and sense of betrayal by the Washington and bi-coastal elites that Obama speaks about is real.

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | April 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The full transcript--see, context does matter. Only a blind zealot will read this and believe it is anything other than truthful and empathetic at the most profound, adult level. Fowler writes for Huffington Post and initially released "bitter" comments out of context: that what Dobbs focused on. She only released the full transcript later. Can you say "Clinton hatchet job"?
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OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

Posted by: abqcleve | April 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama's wife is CFR. He's an elitist, globalist shill. Surprising it took this long. He'll spend all weekend calling everyone racist. His comments are disgusting. For the record, I think Hillary and McCain are dopes as well.

Posted by: grunk | April 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

How hard did the Clinton campaign step on the
Post to get this covered?

Posted by: Margaret | April 11, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I guess those that wait for the RNC to interpret the words of other politicians will not vote for Obama. Next the Fox News crowd will be coming out against him. What a surprise. Maybe the RNC should be talking about what John McCain will be doing for the poor and middle class rather than trying to tare down another. Support JM for his backing of the war in Iraq or his support of another 100 years in Iraq. Keep it to the issues or perish in November.

Posted by: DJones | April 11, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that you "blame" Republicans for criticizing Sen. Obama's statements. Sen. Clinton blasted him today, saying that Pennsylvanian's "don't need a President that looks down on them." Why attack Republicans for noting the revulsion that men and women in both parties feel to these remarkably revealing comments by Sen Obama?

Posted by: Mark | April 11, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I"m starting to long for the days of literacy tests.... People really should have a certain level of education to be able to vote. "The mob" was what allowed the emporerization of rome - give em bread & games and they'll give you power for life. Now its "give em their cable TV and some nominal tax cuts." Then again, I am an elitist - which is why I'd never run.

Posted by: Graham | April 11, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

What Obama said is 100% true. It's not insulting to say that people who lost their communities' jobs to overseas were promised replacement, good jobs, and these promises have been made by both sides of the isle, and that no one's ever delivered. Why is someone say he's insulting them? When someone's made promises to you and you were lied to, it does tend to make you angry and bitter. I don't get why this is suppose to be insulting. Have the media found small town residents in formerly industrial areas who say "jobs in our town went overseas and we are just tickled pink about that".

Posted by: boz | April 11, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

NObama will give more votes to the GOP candidate than any Democrat has since ...KERRY!!

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | April 11, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama is one of the slimiest politicians I have ever encountered. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't claim to be just the opposite. Please do not risk the future of this country on this hypocrite. Vote for Clinton.

Posted by: Tobias | April 11, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama = Smug

Anyone who hasn't seen it yet is going to get more and more examples of this as the election nears.

Smug != a Democratic victory

Posted by: Andrew | April 11, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
It's a simple statement of fact. It's empathic not nothing derogatory. You need to get back on your game by writing about substantive items. Serious journalists are starting to act like 6 years old going after a soccer ball.
There's no Pulitzer waiting for you in the Post newsroom if this is the best you can do.

Posted by: allan 3 | April 11, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

uh...his characterization is pretty dead on. i have lots of family in those small towns in indiana through ohio through pennsylvania. and they have taken a beating in the last couple of decades, and they are bitter. this has happened throughout this country's history - its called nativism. the previous generation of immigrants always resents the most recent one- its often their competition. this is why back in the 1800's the irish hated the italians, and why today so many african americans resent the mexicans. i've noticed that the above posts that have a problem with obama's statement are already using the dreaded "liberal" and "elite" words. god forbid we have someone as president who actually knows their history and has a brain.

Posted by: Graham | April 11, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I mean Obama's comments were meant to be private. After fowler broke the story, the cable news channels started talking about it.

I want to see how Obama explains this away.

Posted by: skinsfan1978 | April 11, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I must be an elitist or something cause I understand perfectly what Obama's saying.

Posted by: wallyg | April 11, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like some folks are trying to make a story where there isn't one.

Looks to me like some of his comments are spot on...

Posted by: charlieartist | April 11, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

More making a mountain out of nothing here. When will it stop. Obama's comments were on the whole, probably pretty accurate. Condescending? I don't see it. This proves nothing but how low the political process will stoop when it comes to electioneering.

We need to keep focused on the issues here: tax policy, trade policy, Iraq, how we direct federal spending, etc. If people really think that this remark by Obama has a greater bearing on their lives then the above issues...then they really are gullible.

Posted by: Ken | April 11, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

The Post truly has been working very hard at "Gotcha" articles against Obama. Its always the Dems that are the "elitists" even though Obama is worth about 1/100th of what Bush, McCain, and Clinton are worth. Rove pushed the elitist monicor a few weeks back and people are running with it. First Obama wasnt black enough, then too black, he was too inexperience, now he is elitist. They will try anything that will stick and the post eats it up. Who in this country is not bitter about how messed up the country had become. Bush screws the economy and helps out the bankers first- they are his base, but Obama is the elitist.

Where is the "Gotcha" articles about McCain being one of the richest senators in Congress because he divorced his first wife- and THATS not Elitism. Elitism is another label that people like the Post like to put one people. How come Bush is never called a Elitist when he was born with a silver spoon and his father was the PRESIDENT.

How about an article about McCain playing the campaign finance system he helped set up, but then yells at Obama for not taking public funds.

Posted by: Peter | April 11, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Allot of Republicans claiming and acting as Fake Democrats are writing in here. It's so obvious. Obama will beat Hillary and McBush.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza,

The person that first broke this story, Fowler, works for the Huffington Post, a far left rag. Obama's condecending comments were not meant to be private, behind closed doors to his elite pals and not for public consumtion. But after sitting on the story for a few days, Fowler, decided to publish the story.

I want to thank her for having the courage to alert the public on Obama's true feelings toward middle America. Combine this with his wifes views and it is evident the Obama's want to turn America into a socialist country.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

You MEAN he's not???

Posted by: jon | April 11, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

To "Karen": The Senator never used the words "hicks", "bigots", or "zealots". YOU DID. I'm from a small town and it just so happened that I moved to a small town near the PA border. I must say, there seem to be a lot of frustrated and forgotten people around here.

What's disturbing is that they still see Bush (A MILLIONAIRE) as someone who would have a beer with them. And Clinton's misspeaking and seriously scandalous past is nothing big. Just elect anyone but that guy with the funny name who tells it like it is. Anyone but the guy who really wants to make a positive difference in their small -town lives and heal this nation.

A voter in rural PA said on NPR last week that she was voting for Clinton because she "heard somebody say" Barack was a Muslim. Nevermind reality and the facts. Let's vote against our best interests based on rumours. Nevermind.

Posted by: Nevermind | April 11, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

>>It's a blueprint Republicans followed to perfection during the 2004 campaign against Sen. John Kerry -- effectively portraying the Massachusetts senator as an elitist without interest in or regard for the average voter in fly-over country.

You me he's not?

Posted by: jon | April 11, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the GOP are men of the people. These people should be bitter, they have been screwed by both GOP and Democratic elites. Yet, the answer is not to stew, but leave the small towns and go where there is opportunity, at least then be a little less screwed!

Posted by: merganser | April 11, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

When Obama said, "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations"

His psychological profiling is another example of his condescending views of average working non-liberal Americans.
Obama is an elitist that looks down on the average American in this country.

Posted by: skinsfan1978 | April 11, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

So,I'm from a small American town and after
I hear that pompous arse arrogant lying out
of touch with reality elistist political
hack Barack Hussein Obama's insulting remarks on tape over on Lou Dobbs Tonight
that made me more determined then ever to
defeat Obama's election as President. Obama
just insulted every small town American
and every small town in America with his
sleazy pompus arse arrogant remarks and
insults and is definitrely unfit to be
President of the USA. Say No Obama! NO WAY
You Pompus Elitist Punk Obama!

Posted by: Sandra | April 11, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

It's Friday, so we know Obama's remarks will be the favorite subject of white-men-in-blue-suits pundits all weekend and he will be roundly condemned on the Sunday talk shows. But, that doesn't mean the pundits are right. Folks like me who have lived in small towns whose businesses have been decimated by globalization know that he's telling it like it is. Too bad the Republicans can't see the truth in front of their faces. I agree with Obama ... 100%.

Posted by: Carol | April 11, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

This just fleshes out what a lot of "liberals" see as being wrong with Middle America. It's a view that is somewhat flawed, but certainly a better picture than the utopia portrayed by Republicans. But Obama will have a problem getting past thoughts like this in the general.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: paul | April 11, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

The media has bent over backwards to cover for Obama on his insulting, divisive, condescending and elitist comments. He went to MILLIONAIRES and BILLIONAIRES in San Francisco, which he considers UTOPIA, and said those hicks back in PA are bigots gun-holding, religious zealots. Odd how he wants small town America to vote for him, but feels free to insult them over White Wine.

Chris blames the republicans, yet we know the left has the NY Times, Media Matters and Howard Dean destroying McCain. Chris, there is absolutely no way you should feel good about yourself for censoring the truth of Obama

Posted by: Karen | April 11, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

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