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Rethinking the Veeps?

Maybe it's because it's Friday afternoon -- or maybe it's because it's "talk like a pirate day" -- but The Fix has been ruminating on what might have happened in the veep selection process if the recent (and ongoing) financial crisis on Wall Street had hit just one month earlier. Would either Barack Obama or John McCain have chosen a different running mate if the economic landscape looked then as it does now?

As we have written in this space before, neither Obama nor McCain (nor their picks for vice president -- Delaware Sen. Joe Biden and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin) have any long history with the economy as an issue nor any experience in the private sector that would allow them to speak from experience on this critical matter.

Mark Warner
Former Va. Gov. Mark Warner deferred on a veep pick in order to take his business acumen to the Senate. (AP Photo/Richmond Times-Dispatch, Bob Brown)

For Obama, it's likely that more pressure would have been brought to bear on former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, who removed himself from veep consideration earlier this summer citing family concerns.

Before entering politics, Warner was a successful businessman -- getting in on the ground floor of the cell phone industry and becoming a multimillionaire in the process. During his run for governor in 2001, Warner emphasized those business credentials as a sign to voters that he knew in a real-world way how to build and grow companies.

In his speech at the Democratic National Convention, of which The Fix was, well, not a fan, Warner touched on his business background to make the argument for Obama's different kind of politics.

"You know, I spent 20 years in business," said Warner. "If you ran a company whose only strategy was to tear down the competition, it wouldn't last long. So why is this wisdom so hard to find in Washington?"

It's easy to see how someone with Warner's business background and who happens to hail from one of the swingiest of swing states in the country might have been the perfect pick for Obama given the heavy economic focus of the current campaign.

Mitt Romney
Former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney could have helped John McCain on the economy and in Mich. (AP File Photo)

On the Republican side, the alternative vice presidential pick that immediately jumps to mind is former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Romney, like Warner, has a deep background in the business world, having successfully founded and built Bain Capital into a massive money-making endeavor.

During his own presidential campaign, Romney talked incessantly (and effectively) about his knowledge of "why jobs come and why they go" and won a key primary victory in a state -- Michigan -- that is shaping up to be the Ohio of the 2004 election or the Florida of the 2000 presidential contest. (More on that next week in The Fix.)

Romney's personal ties to Michigan -- his father was the state's governor and he was born there -- as well as his ability to speak intelligently and from experience about the economy would almost certainly have helped McCain's current positioning on the issue. (For the record, we made this same argument in our case for Romney as veep.)

Before we are shouted down by the Fixariat, a few caveats:

• It's hard to see how McCain could have gotten a bigger polling bump than he did by picking Palin.

• Biden's steadiness and foreign policy experience should help temper voters' concerns about Obama's readiness for the highest office in the land.

• Businessmen (and women) -- especially those who have been extremely successful -- are always susceptible to political attacks on shipping jobs overseas, cutting payroll, taking over mom and pop businesses etc.

• Hindsight is 20-20.

But, still, it's a fascinating parlor game especially since the political environment has been roiled so deeply by the collapses on Wall Street.

Agree with our argument? Disagree? Sound off in the comments section below.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 19, 2008; 5:30 PM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008  
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DON'T FORGET ABOUT ME...I'M ONE OF THE 4,153 U.S. SOLDIERS KILLED IN IRAQ.

DID I DESERVE TO DIE SO YOUNG? WHAT WAS GAINED IN IRAQ? WAS MY DEATH IN VAIN FOR MCCAIN?

4,153 DEAD U.S. SOLDIERS IN IRAQ!

Posted by: HENRY | September 23, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Good for you Lisa!

Posted by: who cares | September 23, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama chose a proven, trusted and respected public servant as his VP. Joe Biden for all his human frailties is a man of honor and deserved to stand on the platform running for President in the Democratic Primay. Palin is a prima donna, an opportunist with a celebrity appearance. She is W in drag, and she is uninformed, imperial in her governance and most of all she wants to codify her religious beliefs. She disrespects and subjects women to humiliation by making them pay for rape kits. It was a deliberate act on her part. McCain put this country in grave danger, due to his lust for power and his advancing age. He continues the Republican legacy of putting the country in the hands of the rich and powerful, by elevating such a shallow woman to the VP position.

Posted by: CarmanK | September 23, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama chose a proven, trusted and respected public servant as his VP. Joe Biden for all his human frailties is a man of honor and deserved to stand on the platform running for President in the Democratic Primay. Palin is a prima donna, an opportunist with a celebrity appearance. She is W in drag, and she is uninformed, imperial in her governance and most of all she wants to codify her religious beliefs. She disrespects and subjects women to humiliation by making them pay for rape kits. It was a deliberate act on her part. McCain put this country in grave danger, due to his lust for power and his advancing age. He continues the Republican legacy of putting the country in the hands of the rich and powerful, by elevating such a shallow woman to the VP position.

Posted by: CarmanK | September 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Get Me Out of Here -
why don't you just leave now regardless of who wins? My guess is you don't contribute much to society anyway. Saves more for the rest of us. Obama 08! Free handouts for all! I can't wait!!! And those of us who work and contribute are going to hold The Mesiah accountable to all his empty promises.
Bye Get Me out of Here - no one wants you here anyway.

Posted by: Pacaderm | September 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

To Anonimous September 21: 6h pm Ignominious!

Posted by: Anyone | September 22, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I think it is interesting that now a legion of Republicans are questioning Sarah Palin's qualifications. Most of them are not bringing her family or personal beliefs into the mix, either.
That said, I, for one, think her personal beliefs are important because she has every intention of forcing them upon the rest of women in the country.
She has a greater chance of becoming President because of McCain's age than most VPs so to consider this a a real possibility is chilling and beyond scary.

Alaska, as the license plate says, is the last frontier. It is not a training ground for the world stage, by any margin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

a thoughtful piece but not convincing. Vice Presidents need to be broader than the mysteries of economics, even high economics. As deep as this crisis is, there will be others, perhaps countries where we have interests but no experience with. The three top Democratic economics Obama has in two are top rate serious experts. The three Republic economic advisors are under impressive, at least in two cases: Martin Feldstein came and left high politics 25 years ago; the discharged executive from a major computer company I can't image offering in depth advice to McCain. I'd like to be wrong but I doubt that I am.

Posted by: crowesq | September 22, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Um...are you absolutely blind. Do you not know that HIllary Clinton would have been the obvious winning choice for Obama. But he chose dumbo Biden. Now he'll pay in Nov.

Posted by: amber | September 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: Lisa | September 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain seems cut from the same cloth as these Wall Street hucksters: He makes big decisions like choosing a VP without thinking them through adequately, and when it blows up, he blames someone else--Obama, the media, Congress, etc. McCain has really disappointed a lot of people in this race. He is not the principled person he once was.

Posted by: HarrisCo | September 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Naming VP"s is always a gamble. Remember how happy we were when Bush announced well before the election of 2000 that Colin Powell would be his Secretary of State. I know this is not the VP but that statement alone caused people to think that at least in foreign policy he would know what he was doing. Considering the closeness of that election one may presume that it gave him the extra 300 or so votes he needed in Florida. So what happened? The guy gave him good advice and Bush ignored it. Vote for the guy on top of the ticket. The others are window dressing!

Posted by: Opa | September 22, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey people I think the framers got it
wrong on the judicary,when an azzhole like 1st dude won't testify after he's been summon by the Govt.and the hand pick state Attorney general won't let witness testify
I think that ground for impeachment,and
is an appeal for the u.s attorney to intervine, we must insure domestic tranquility to perfect our union and mcsong
bird and his lobbyist hank pick,vp
is so reckless and irrespondable, hello
usa to 1st dude,we are going to vet you
all of you,mccain watch out these people
they will do a Gov.calahan.and P.wellstone
on you, that todd looks like a hitman,
like coleman,and cheney,I like you a
little bit mccain,but your pranster ways
is bad for this country.


Change.

Posted by: bigfoot | September 22, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

With economy becoming the solid #1 issue during the Presidential election, Mitt Romney is sitting back SMILING at this presidential race!

The likes of Sean Hannity and Laura Ingram know that Romney was McCain's best chance to reach independent voters concerned about the economy. All the media outlets from TV to Internet blogging had Romney pegged as the number one candidate for McCain's VEEP slot.

Warner was under the radar for VEEP choices for Obama. Many people had Hillary initially leading the pack as potential Obama VEEPS in the short term. The only thing Hillary would have brought to the presidential race economically is the name of Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 22, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Hillary should replace Biden. She has always had strong positives and strong negatives. However, the rep right wing is already fired up so much a bout Palin that there would not be more negatives.

Posted by: JJ | September 22, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I will share an insight that "the rich" have about America in honor of the commenter who rightfully praised Hillary Clinton's mortgage compromise. And because these threads are pretty evenly split and fair, although I don't like reading the same cut and paste jobs. I like the original thoughts better.

[I agree with her that HRC would have been a better choice for Obama for a number of reasons, locking down an easy win being one of them. Apparently, he decided that he didn't want his presidency to be the HRC show. You can't blame him for that. And to me, Biden's a fine choice for him. Palin's a fine choice for McCain.]

Let me give you an insight into how a wealthy person outside the US thinks about the US. All of the imagery is basically silliness. It comes down to economics as always.

There is a unique opportunity to make a killing right now. The 3rd financial quarter is coming up and banks' annual reports for financial and tax year 2008 will have to be ready by February.

No matter whom is chosen President, you will see a strong dollar and weaker crude markets as banks cash in their winners to improve their red balance sheets as the reporting periods arrive. At some point early in fiscal 2009, there will no longer be a need for banks to be so fussy. There will be the same attack on the USD there had been from '03 until July of '08 and a lot of money for everything negatively-correlated with USD like crude oil and gold.

I'm not sure exactly how far apart McCain and Obama are on Iraq and Afghanistan policy. I think they're relatively close which means that if elected either one's first budget will be somewhat like Bush's last one. If Obama's president it's not clear whether he'll give his fed chief a signal that he wants to support the dollar with gentle interest rate increase or continue the Greenspan/Bernanke policy of cutting. We know where McCain's at on that.

Either way, betting on the dollar small in the short run and heavily against the dollar medium to long run is the most prudent approach. And if McCain is president, it's a good idea to double up against the dollar because the perception based upon his words is that the US will do lots more borrowing to finance war in other countries as well as Iraq and Afghanistan.

That's a massive problem for the American consumer because the US has a hideous trade balance. So, the purchasing power of the dollar at home and abroad is going down anyway and could crash under McCain.

The drop in the price of gas at the pump has nothing to do with McCain's energy ideas because he has none. It's irrelevant whether he wants US oil companies to explore within the continent or in-short. Crude exploration is a very risky business and even if they hit a lot of producing wells, that oil doesn't stay in the US necessarily. Nor would "US" companies necessarily have the rights to explore. That goes up for competitive bid. Every single well drilled in a McCain administration could be owned by Shell, Total, Elf-Acquitain, Petrobras, Pemex, Lukoil and Surgutneftegaz.

The drop in the price of gasoline is merely an effect of too much paper profit in US banks' energy positions.

You'll see $5 gas and the $170/bbl LSC again in the spring, either way. The question is whether you want to gamble on $10/gas, a $340/bb and a USD worth 0.3 EUROS with McCain and more war.

These are the issues that people in power are concerned with. American cultural issues like abortion or whether America is "ready" for a Black president are irrelevant to what's happening in the financial markets. Nobody REALLY believes one way or the other about a "war-on-terror" as a philosophy or principle because it has no meaning. What's meaningful is how that concept affects US fiscal and monetary policy, US currency, world stability, and prices of goods in world markets as stores of value, as related to perceived volatility and scarcity.

I just scrolled down and read something about "radicals" and "activists" and "Barbara Streisand." Is that for real or a joke?

Even if none of the financial crises of the last week had happened the country would still be on a knife edge because of the debt and deficit. A dollar attack by other Western banks and funds would do far worse damage to America than 100,000,000 Jeremiah Wrights, Barbara Streisands and Michael Moores could. If the USA ever got to a $20 Trillion debt load, a $5 trillion annual deficit and a 0% overnight repo rate, I can't imagine what life in America would be like. Maybe something like Kosovo during the Milosevic reign. One thing is for sure, a box of Rice Krispies would be scarce, very expensive and only purchaseable with foreign currency.

Usually, these things get priced into the going rates, but as deep as they are, world f/x and swap markets cannot take account of the moods and whims of Americans. They are just too bizarre and unconnected with reality. When it's like this in f/x and swaps it's hard to get one's head around Michelle Obama's education or paycheck being a relevant issue in a presidential campaign. But you guys know best, I guess.


Posted by: DexterManley | September 22, 2008 5:35 AM | Report abuse

From Oakland County Michigan: ROMNEY, ROMNEY, ROMNEY! Senator McCain gambled Michigan's 17 delegates when he chose Palin. Michigan will ALWAYS be Romney country, just like Alaska is Palin country. How many delegates does Alaska have?

Posted by: Lynn | September 22, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

When Gov. Sarah Palin flew home to Alaska for the first time since being named the Republican vice presidential nominee, she brought along at least half a dozen new advisers to conduct briefings, stage-manage her first television interview and help her prepare for a critical debate next month.

And virtually every member of the team shared a common credential: years of service to President Bush.

From Mark Wallace, a Bush appointee to the United Nations, to Tucker Eskew, who ran strategic communications for the Bush White House, to Greg Jenkins, who served as the deputy assistant to Bush in his first term and was executive director of the 2004 inauguration, Palin was surrounded on the trip home by operatives deeply rooted in the Bush administration.

May I quote from the Washington Post and, for those who are still thinking that McCain is truly a maverick, you may want to whether that is really true:

The clutch of Bush veterans helping to coach Palin reflects a larger reality about Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign: Far from being a group of outsiders to the Republican Party power structure, it is now run largely by skilled operatives who learned their crafts in successive Bush campaigns and various jobs across the Bush government over the past eight years.

Posted by: frankbrit | September 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

~~HILLARY'S DETAILED ECONOMIC PROP0SALS~~~

Sen. Hillary Clinton’s floor speech Thursday that directly addressed our nation’s (and the world’s) financial crisis....FROM SEN. CLINTON'S WEBSITE...While Senators John McCain and Barack Obama were auditioning for who could best handle a national economic emergency, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton released the following statement from her office in Washington, DC. As usual Senator Clinton understands the dangers of this"once in a century" crisis. She calls it"the greatest market upheaval since the Great Depression". She did the following:
…called for swift and strong action to stem the growing credit crisis on Wall Street. Assailing the Bush Administration for ignoring repeated warnings of the growing crisis and failing to provide adequate oversight of an increasingly complicated market. Senator Clinton offered a series of bold, specific proposals, including creating a new version of the Home Owners' Loan Corporation(HOLC) to restore confidence in the market, curbing the most damaging and manipulative trading practices, providing relief to homeowners facing foreclosure, and reasserting competent federal oversight.........

Rethinking the VEEP and POTUS...ya think? just watch this .......Voters Remorse Anyone?.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QUrbrE51ME.........

Posted by: 07001 | September 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin draws crowd of 60,000 today in Florida
'nuff said
http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

MADHATTER I find that name appropriarte considering your comment.

"Biden running for President all his life."

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

When you were only a twinkle in you daddies eyes 21 years ago.

Posted by: DAD | September 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

we love Barack Obama...

Posted by: white females | September 21, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was a great pick by McCain, compared with Barack Obama's lapdog poodle Joe Biden who's been running for president all his life and has become America's laughing stock.

Posted by: madhatter | September 21, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Given the benefit of two days time and the 700B 'blank check' request:

I think the bailout runs much deeper than VP choice. Given the price tag of $2,100 for every man woman and child in this country - the prospect of bailing out foreign financial institutions - I think there is enough anger engendered by the proposal that just *might* inspire collective action by the citizens.

Sure there's been no (serious) collective action against Iraq war (contrast with Vietnam) - but it's been famously pointed out that the sacrifice for the war has been asymmetrically applied (contrast conscription for Vietnam service). No such 'volunteer only' option with the bailout plan.

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I like the comment claiming that if Obama was white he would be ahead by 20 points. I thought Obama was white...and black? Anyway, the claim is funny becuase if Obama was only white and not of mixed race, once Americans became aware of his relationship with a racist and misanthropic reverend, he would have been forced to withdraw his candidacy.
Dare I say Bill Ayers?
The fact that Obama is still in the running is proof that American radicalism is horribly and irreversibly one-sided and irrational. Truth be told, radicals are activists not patriots, assailants not citizens. They are irritants that harbor hate and fear while belying as agents of peace, change, and progress.
Radicals are kind of like Barbara Streisand, talented in some regards, but taken as a whole, too unattractive and uncompromising to take serious.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Most presidential candidates choose running mates whom they can credibly claim would be sound presidents in the event....

Mitt Romney clearly qualifies, even without the big plus on his business background and his executive qualifications in producing a sterling Olympics show.

What really happened? Betcha there's some buyers' remorse about McCain's choice, especially since we're newly aware of how quickly crisis can hit us over the head.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Most presidential candidates choose running mates whom they can credibly claim would be sound presidents in the event....

Mitt Romney clearly qualifies, even without the big plus on his business background and his executive qualifications in producing a sterling Olympics show.

What really happened? Betcha there's some buyers' remorse about McCain's choice, especially since we're newly aware of how quickly crisis can hit us over the head.

Posted by: First Mouse | September 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Mother of no wars! you are absolutely right. I for one also think in the way that you do. And it is sad that so many of our troops had to die. People forget about the WAR because McCain and the Republican Party don't want you to remember. "CHANGE" is the way we send a message to the Republicans. Myself and many MILLIONS of women will be voting for OBAMA for that very reason. We just don't trust the Republicans anymore. Look at whats going on in our country today. Will it ever stop, can McCain change it? I don't think so. Palin is far from what we need for a different direction. BARACK OBAMA all the way!

Posted by: w/b college vote women for barack | September 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Weapon's of mass destruction was a hoax. Went into afgan to get Osama then the war turned a hard left into Iraq. That was very suspect that we would attack a neighboring country to the one where we were looking for Bin Ladin. Did'nt we invade Iraq in 1991 when Bush Sr. was President? All just seems suspect to me. Did a prior conflict with Iraq Leader "MOTHER OF ALL WARS" SADDAM and his oil the primary objective? I think so!

Posted by: MOTHERS OF NO WARS | September 21, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

DEAR BROTHER,

I'M SITTING HERE WONDERING IF YOU UNDERSTOOD WHY YOU DIED? WE KNOW YOU LOVED YOUR COUNTRY BECAUSE, YOU WERE A SOLDIER WHO FOUGHT AND DIED IN IRAQ!

WHEN YOU JUMPED ON THAT GRANADE TO SHIELD YOUR FELLOW SOLDIERS FROM BEING KILLED ALSO.

DID YOU KNOW WHY YOU DIED?

HAS ANYONE EVER TELL YOU WHY YOU WOULD DIE SO YOUNG? I'M JUST SITTING WONDERING IF YOU HAVE AN IDEAL?

WELL ANYWAY, WE LOVE YOU AND THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE SERVING FOR MY CAUSE!

Posted by: GOD BLESS AMERICA | September 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

4,159 SOLDIERS DIE IN IRAQI WAR SO THAT THE MCCAIN'S WORTH CAN RISE!

HOW MUCH OIL STOCK DOES MCCAIN OWNS?

4,159 SOLDIERS DIE IN IRAQI WAR SO THAT THE MCCAIN'S WORTH CAN RISE!

HOW MUCH OIL STOCK DOES MCCAIN HAS?

4,159 SOLDIERS DIE IN IRAQ SO THAT MCBUSH STOCK WORTH RISE!

THAT'S THE AMERICAN WAY! EARN CAPITAL AT THE EXPENSE OF DEAD SOLDIERS!

WEAPON'S OF MASS DISTRACTION...CODE WORD FOR INVEST IN OIL STOCK. LINE POCKETS WITH MASSIVE OIL STOCK?

HOW DID MCCAIN DISGUISE HIS OIL STOCK? WHO'S NAME IS HIS OIL STOCK IN?

WEAPON'S OF MASS DECEIPTION...4,159 DIE!

Posted by: CRYING KIDS OF DEAD SOLDIERS | September 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

SON OF A B*TCH SAY'S CHEAP OIL...

4,159 SOLDIERS DIE AND ALL THIS PUNK CAN SAY IS CHEAP OIL! YOU FOOL...WHY ARE WE STILL PAYING HIGH GAS PRICES IDIOT.

4,159 SOLDIERS DEAD FOR CHEAP OIL THANKS MCBUCH!

4,159 DEAD SOLDIERS THANKS MCBUSH!

4,159 SOLDIERS DEAD FOR CHEAP OIL.. THANKS MCBUSH!

4,159 DEAD SOLDIERS THANKS MCBUSH!

4,159 SOLDIERS DEAD FOR CHEAP OIL..THANKS MCBUSH!

4,159 DEAD SOLDIERS THANK MCBUSH!

4,159 SOLDIERS DEAD FOR CHEAP OIL..THANKS MCBUSH!

4,159 DEAD SOLDIERS THANKS MCBUSH!

4,159 DEAD SOLDIERS FOR CHEAP OIL..THANKS MCBUSH!

Posted by: YOUNG SONS AND DAUGHTERS | September 21, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

BARACKS SPEECH WAS UNPRESIDENTED. NOWHERE, NO WAY, NO PLACE, NO TIME WILL YOU SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AGAIN. ONLY A BLACK MAN CAN CATCH THE IMAGINATION OF THE AMRICAN PEOPLE. I SAID "IMAGINATION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE" 37th STREET WALKER YOU BETTER START THINKING BLACK. BECAUSE IT IS WHAT IT IS!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

GO BARACK!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Good point. As well, young people turnout may be a factor (but they say that every year and it never happens). And turnout may be offset by aggressive voter suppression techniques, e.g., giving inner city polling places one or two broken voting booths and having folks wait in line for three hours).

BUT, in the end, race is the huge trump card. The election will be an SAT test on where we have come as a country. O would be up easy double digits but for the skin issue.

For what it's worth, add a 16th controversy to the 15 earlier ones about Palin:

A tabloid I read while waiting in the supermarket line today says a "brother" is claiming to be the father of Palin's child's expected child. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? That'll shake the world of Palin's yahoo followers. Of course, the MSM is dodging this story as they have the 15 others. Have they given up on reporting anything but the weather? I only read the Washington Post to find out if it's going to be 60 and sunny tomorrow. Oy.
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Previous post:
"That is just one subject and interesting. However polls have shown that Mccains age for far more people is a major factor in their vote. 14% by the way. Now the Palin pick has galvanized that opinion even more, the "Heart beat away", factor. Mccains age more then off sets the race factor in most every demographic. Obama can win over people who are hung up on the black thing. That doesn't really matter, People are always going to have a prejudice be it race, the school someone went to, their background, they may not even like the guys hair. That is always there. These things can be over come, voters can be won pver. Mccain can't get any younger."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

If Barack Obama was white, he would be ahead by 20 points.

Posted by: sanity | September 21, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

That thing is so old and worn it just smacks of desperation when Mccain brings it up. Palin used it once or twice and has never said it again. They know it is old news. No one cares and see the comment for what it was. Not a vote changer, just desperate from someone who has nothing else o offer. Same with the Write thing. No one is playing to dopy old tapes anymore.


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PA, PA, PA. PA is in play. Obama hoped Biden would make a difference there. McCain needs PA based on some of the other states Obama will pick off. McCain has a chance in PA if he starts running the "people in PA clinging to guns and religion" Obama sound bite over and over again beginning Oct 4-Nov4.

Posted by: Paul | September 21, 2008 11:48 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Mccain is one illness away from this being a landslide for Obama. One picture of him on a gurney on the way to a hospital and it is over. It wouldn't matter if it was food poisoning, that image if this weak frail old man looking helpless would be burned into the publics mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

PA, PA, PA. PA is in play. Obama hoped Biden would make a difference there. McCain needs PA based on some of the other states Obama will pick off. McCain has a chance in PA if he starts running the "people in PA clinging to guns and religion" Obama sound bite over and over again beginning Oct 4-Nov4.

Posted by: Paul | September 21, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

That is just one subject and interesting. However polls have shown that Mccains age for far more people is a major factor in their vote. 14% by the way. Now the Palin pick has galvanized that opinion even more, the "Heart beat away", factor. Mccains age more then off sets the race factor in most every demographic. Obama can win over people who are hung up on the black thing. That doesn't really matter, People are always going to have a prejudice be it race, the school someone went to, their background, they may not even like the guys hair. That is always there. These things can be over come, voters can be won pver. Mccain can't get any younger.


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Many political commentators and on-the-ground operatives have said this race is, sadly, about race. But for race, this race would be over and done.

The endless media discussions about fistbumps, Rev. Wright, uppity, O fighting back, not fighting back, etc., etc. are just entertaining background noise.

Ron Fournier's analysis below bears out this unfortunate fact. Our guess is O probably needs to be about 6.5 points ahead in the polls (about where he is now) on election day to have a chance.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

mccain campaign is doomed. note these points and note that you will tell the same thing as obama sweeps the polls.

1. sarah palin choice was a cruel joke on americans. a candidate picked in probably less than 48 hours, her record in alaska being mired in same kind of bush-ism, her lack of knowledge/experience on anything related to america (economy, war, foreign policy, etc). her choice is a cruel joke just as iraq war was.

2. the slogan drill baby drill in gop convention. this sounded like screwyou america screwyou. this was the most appalling slogan for independent, middle class and swing voters who were looking for concrete proposals for oil issue not just empty slogan.

3. the failure to pick a good veep candidate by mccain. romney was a good choice. obama did the correct thing in picking biden to tap on his senate and foreign policy experience.

4. mccain extreme reactions shows he is clueless. 'fundamentals are strong' to 'proposing massive regulatrory body in his proposal that came in less than 24 hours even faster than paulson and bernanke's!!!'
he is a man in clear panic and being whipsawed by events. he is totally out of control and is at mercy of his advisers who have no clue either.

5. complete lack of control and leadership from mccain as he has been a hostage beyond his control as events from sarah palin selection to his absurd negative ad's show.

now voters like me are clear. mccain is not the choice.

Posted by: greenguy | September 21, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

ST. PETERSBURG — Five weeks ago, the St. Petersburg Times convened a group of Tampa Bay voters who were undecided about the presidential election. Their strong distrust of Barack Obama suggested it was a group ripe for John McCain to win over.

Not anymore. The group has swung dramatically, if unenthusiastically, toward Democrat Obama. Most of them this week cited the same reason: Sarah Palin.

"The one thing that frightens me more than anything else are the ideologues. We've seen too many," said 80-year-old Air Force veteran Donn Spegal, a lifelong Republican from St. Petersburg, who sees McCain's new running mate as the kind of "wedge issue" social conservative that has made him disenchanted with his party.

"I'm truly offended by Palin,'' said Republican Philinia Lehr, 37, of Largo, a full-time mother with a nursing degree who voted for George Bush in 2004. Like Palin, she has five children and she doesn't buy that the Alaska governor can adequately balance her family and the vice presidency.

"You're somebody's mom and what are you going to do, say, 'Excuse me, country, hold on?' … She's preaching that she's this mom of the year and taking that poor little baby all over everywhere. And, you know, what she's doing to her 17-year-old daughter is just appalling.'' Lehr said she's bothered by the way Palin's pregnant daughter has been brought into the national spotlight.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Many political commentators and on-the-ground operatives have said this race is, sadly, about race. But for race, this race would be over and done.

The endless media discussions about fistbumps, Rev. Wright, uppity, O fighting back, not fighting back, etc., etc. are just entertaining background noise.

Ron Fournier's analysis below bears out this unfortunate fact. Our guess is O probably needs to be about 6.5 points ahead in the polls (about where he is now) on election day to have a chance.
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Excerpt from Real Clear Politics
"September 20, 2008
Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama
Ron Fournier And Trevor Tompson
Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks • many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles.

The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 • about two and one-half percentage points." END

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Posted by: Captain America | September 21, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

RFK, Jr.: We, the American people, apologize to you for making you have to watch a devotee of the likes of Westbrook Pegler, Mrs. S. Palin, nominated to be the next vice president of the United States. Below we share your recent HuffPo commentary with the American public.
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"Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Posted [on HuffPo] September 15, 2008 | 11:27 AM (EST)

Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies."

It might be worth asking Governor Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading list." END

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

That's right REALITY CHECK. Where ever there is money, there will be crooks. It is just a matter of time before the crooks figure out how to beat the system. It happened in the past and will happen in the future.

Look at what happened when the Dem/Pres. Clinton ruled: Companies were over leveraged; financial companies, being bribed, were knowingly selling bad stocks to their clients; companies like Enron were scheming, Ceo's were being paid for bad results etc., etc..

Also, once politicians like Sen. Obama keeps on taking money from companies, the system will not significantly improve.

Posted by: Shirley T. | September 21, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Troll, in all fairness, also not yet released:

your IQ
your criminal record
your moms from jail
your last bowel movement (let it go, dude)

The only FACT is you're a clown. Fascist troll "AsperGirl" repented the other day for her multiple sins against the blogosphere. Why don't you, too? There's still time to hear the message of hope. Have a blessed day.
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"At this point the democratic party is a complete joke by nominating a candidate who has not released the minimum documents which a candidate should:


Let’s look at all of the items Barrack Obama has released:


1. Occidental College records — Not released

2. Columbia College records — Not released

* * * * *

The media should get on this. There are rumors that Obama was born in Indonesia or Kenya to a Muslim family. FACT.

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 21, 2008 7:50 AM "

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

BY ELECTION DAY PEOPLE WILL VOTE OBJECTIVELY!!

The current polls are reflective of Americans knee-jerk-reaction. Once people realize these economic problems happened in the past and will most likely happen in the future and is a natural part of our economic system they will start choosing objectively.

Posted by: Reality Check | September 21, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

It's getting good: O up 8 in the polls (DailyKos) and at 273 in the electoral polls (which assume O losses in VA, OH, and FL). The Palin bounce has gone bust.

Most important, though, brillant Maureen Dowd in the NY Times today -- Dowd gives O advice (great advice) as she writes of fictional TV president Jed Bartlett giving O tips on what to do now:

"BARTLET: GET ANGRIER! Call them liars, because that’s what they are. Sarah Palin didn’t say “thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. She just said “Thanks.” You were raised by a single mother on food stamps — where does a guy with eight houses who was legacied into Annapolis get off calling you an elitist? And by the way, if you do nothing else, take that word back. Elite is a good word, it means well above average. I’d ask them what their problem is with excellence. While you’re at it, I want the word “patriot” back. McCain can say that the transcendent issue of our time is the spread of Islamic fanaticism or he can choose a running mate who doesn’t know the Bush doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine, but he can’t do both at the same time and call it patriotic. They have to lie — the truth isn’t their friend right now. Get angry. Mock them mercilessly; they’ve earned it. McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library. It’s not bad enough she thinks the planet Earth was created in six days 6,000 years ago complete with a man, a woman and a talking snake, she wants schools to teach the rest of our kids to deny geology, anthropology, archaeology and common sense too? It’s not bad enough she’s forcing her own daughter into a loveless marriage to a teenage hood, she wants the rest of us to guide our daughters in that direction too? It’s not enough that a woman shouldn’t have the right to choose, it should be the law of the land that she has to carry and deliver her rapist’s baby too? I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. And you’re worried about seeming angry? You could eat their lunch, make them cry and tell their mamas about it and God himself would call it restrained. There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!""


Posted by: Captain America | September 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Many Hillary voters were just voting for a woman. They don't care anything about issues. In other words, were there no Hillary they still would not be voting for Obama or probably anyone for that matter. They are just faddists who wanted the fun of voting for a woman.


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Don't be an idiot. We know there are some Hillary voters that have moved to Mccain. Please use your brain not your emotions..

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 12:12 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

THE WAR WE ARE ALSO NOW WINNING! THE WAR THAT IS GIVING US CHEAP OIL!! THE WAR THAT IS GIVING US POWER BECAUSE WE ARE IN CONTROL OF WORLD OIL SUPPLY!!! CHEAP OIL AND POWER DON'T COME FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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4,159 SOLDIERS NOW DEAD AS THE RESULT OF FIGHTING IN THE IRAQI WAR!

THE WAR THAT JOHN MCCAIN VOTED FOR!

Posted by: YOUNG SONS AND DAUGHTERS | September 21, 2008 2:02 AM

Posted by: Son OfABich | September 21, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

There are no perfect VP nominees but many fine candidates. There are many possible qualifications, but only one obvious disqualification.

If the nominee could not step competently into the presidency s/he is DQd.

JB is fit to be POTUS.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 21, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pollster People | September 19, 2008 9:48 PM

Posted by: Captain America | September 20, 2008 9:41 AM


Go back and look at your polling data. McCain is losing. Don't know much about economics. Palind don't know much about nothing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Reponding to Posted by: Al from NJ

You say to the media - Vet Obama. These issues you are speaking of have already been vetted in the primary (issues discussed and closed).

Now the media must vet John and Cindy McCain. I confess, they have started to do so but that is as far as it goes. Their is a laundry list of policies and issues that the voters should know about The McCains. I commend the Washington Post, NYT and WSJ for bring this issues to the forefront. However, the pundits fail to discuss these issues on the cable channels. Which leave me to believe that most of the pundits are Republicans. Take for instance this artice in the NYT Sunday
Truthiness Stages a Comeback
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21rich.html

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

At this point the democratic party is a complete joke by nominating a candidate who has not released the minimum documents which a candidate should:


Let’s look at all of the items Barrack Obama has released:


1. Occidental College records — Not released

2. Columbia College records — Not released

3. Columbia Thesis paper — “Not available”

4. Harvard College records — Not released

5. Selective Service Registration — Not released

6. Medical records — Not released (To see if his heart is alright after all the cocaine use)

7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available” (he wasn't there that day when they passed out the schedule)

8. Law practice client list — Not released

9. Harvard Law Review articles published — NONE WRITTEN

10. University of Chicago scholarly articles — NONE WRITTEN

11. Your Record of baptism– Not released or “not available”

12. Your Illinois State Senate records–”not available”


Not even a certified copy of his birth certificate has been released.


The media should get on this. There are rumors that Obama was born in Indonesia or Kenya to a Muslim family. FACT.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 21, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

At this point the democratic party is a complete joke by nominating a candidate who has not released the minimum documents which a candidate should:

Let’s look at all of the items Barrack Obama has released:


1. Occidental College records — Not released

2. Columbia College records — Not released

3. Columbia Thesis paper — “Not available”
4. Harvard College records — Not released

5. Selective Service Registration — Not released

6. Medical records — Not released

7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”

8. Law practice client list — Not released

9. Harvard Law Review articles published — NONE WRITTEN

10. University of Chicago scholarly articles — NONE WRITTEN

11. Your Record of baptism– Not released or “not available”

12. Your Illinois State Senate records–”not available”

Not even a certified copy of his birth certificate has been released.

The media should get on this. There are rumors that Obama was born in Indonesia or Kenya to a Muslim family. FACT.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 21, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Al from NJ at 6:11 is 100% correct


What is the media thinking?


Why does Obama get a pass on all this stuff?


If Obama was white and his church had the EXACT SAME website however just changing the words WHITE TO BLACK AND BLACK TO WHITE the media would be branding that candidate the worst racist since the Civil War.

Seriously, why is Obama' affiliation with a clearly RACIST church getting a pass from the media.

AND the praise Obama received last spring when he gave that race speech was a COMPLETE JOKE.


I don't think too many people in the media either READ the speech or UNDERSTOOD it - the BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY is not what this country wants, however if Obama is elected he WILL APPOINT PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 21, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

A Plea to the Media:
Vet Obama!

Below is a limited list of areas where the media has failed to investigate Obama.

This list does not include Obama’s many policy reversals or outright fabrications, like the statement that the Kennedy family facilitated his father coming to the United States.

It does not include Obama’s habit of voting %u2018present’ as a member of the Illinois State Senate nor his strange maneuverings regarding a born alive bill.

Instead, the list below concerns Obama’s associates and business dealings.

It is a sordid group, comprised of the America-hating, anti-Israel, and explicitly racial Left. There is big money involved, as with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and bizarre organizations to which money was funneled.

Obama’s milieu is the intersection of Chicago politics and the fringe Left; there is much to be explored and explained about Obama. Below is a partial list where Obama remains unvetted:

1. Trinity United Church of Christ. Obama’s 20-year membership in an explicitly racist church, a church with rhetoric too hot for Oprah.

2. Rezko. Obama’s ties to Tony Rezko and the 2005 purchase of the Obamas’ home. Obama funnelling money to Rezko’s sleazy businesses.
3. Ayers. Obama’s extensive ties to unrepentant terroist Bill Ayers.

4. Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC). Obama and Ayers together dispensing tens of millions of dollars supposedly for educational organizations.

Although now just being investigated, it’s known that money was funnelled to Ayers’ friend, radical Mike Klonsky, a founding member of the Maoist Party of the United States.

5. Minister Louis Farrakhan. Obama is surrounded by people like Rev. Willie Barrow, a friend and admirer of the anti-white, anti-Semitic Farrakhan.

If the media doesn’t do their job, we may end up with this guy as President.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:09 AM | Report abuse

WHAT WAR WILL JOHN MCCAIN GET US IN NEXT?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 2:32 AM

This is a favorite topic here in Panama. We talk about it more than we do our own elections. We just had a huge primary in which Herrera beat Navarro for the PRD nomination. Their views were pretty much the same but Navarro hired an American consultant who put on these ads attacking Herrera as "soft on crime," which was idiotic because Herrera is the Housing Minister and Navarro is the Mayor of the capital so his ads both in violation of campaign law and were basically attacking his own record as Mayor which was really good. So, Balbina Herrera will be the likely next president and she'll probably be a good one. Same pro-business low tax policy as Torrijos. And if she loses to Varela in the general, it'll just be different companies getting the public works contracts. Same economic and social policy with Varela. Boring.

The American election is thrilling, though, because John McCain has already promised us a quartering of troops to our immediate South in Colombia and Peru for an invasion of Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia. Our dislike of McCain is exceeded only by our loathing of Colin Powell. Bush is regarded the same way he is everywhere else: "El Anticristo." But he hardly matters. We've had 9% economic growth with the Torrijos adminstration for 5 years running so Bush is kind of a clown figure more than anyone of significance.

Whenever Torrijos goes to Washington it's pretty funny. He's really proper and business-like and I think he has an MBA from Texas A & M. But he makes an fool out of Bush every time. The Bush Admin is always begging for a special trade deal and Torrijos just smiles for the official pictures and then comes back having not signed anything. Bush and Cheney are just greedy and indifferent. They were never going to cause problems here.

McCain, however, is nuts because he's not motivated by money at all. His trip is whatever a physically twisted and torn psycho who's on borrowed time's trip is likely to be. And that awful woman is worse. So, guessing what a guy like McCain has in mind for his next war has been kind of a parlor game here.

I think that Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia are out because of the Russians. That's leaves something he'd never do, North Korea. Why bother? He'd have opposition and no Americans care about North Korea.

I think when the disfigured guy and the airhead are in power they'll do a surprise move and fight Pakistan and Afghanistan at the same time and hope India and Bangladesh join in either with the US or against -- it hardly matters to McCain -- to add tension and make nuclear war a possibility for fear propaganda.

Unless the grim reaper's already entered his hospital room, he'll back off that and just let Iraq and the whole South Asia thing just run and run and run for 8 glorious War Hero and Caribou Barbie years.

Posted by: DexterManley | September 21, 2008 4:09 AM | Report abuse

@ John Adams: Please sort me out on this whole "Liberals" and logic thing. I don't quite understand American "liberals" either exactly but I understand whatever the American opposite is even less.

This is a cultural thing, I'm sure, but all of this loose talk about shooting, guns and war, is very weird to me. There has been too much violence down here in the 70s and 80s for any of that to be a joke to us. It don't know that the violence will never stop in Colombia until the USA rethinks its drug policy and even then there will be violence over coffee.

You all get so upset over 9/11 like it gives you a license to kill everybody. It's hilarious. Colin Powell gave us three 9/11s just for laughs pretty much. Plus 100,000 homes destroyed. For what? To bring one jerk up on white collar charges in the US. A jerk the US put into office over two of our democratically chosen Presidents -- Torrijos, Senior, and Spadafora -- we would have taken care of ourselves.

Imagine if we decided in the aftermath of Operation "Just Cause" that we were going to fight a war on American terror? We didn't. We were chill about it because everybody realized that Bush Senior despite it all and then Clinton were pretty good presidents. I don't blame either George H.W. Bush or Noriega. I blame Colin Powell's famous "doctrine." Clinton left us in a position to defend ourselves without a military. Mess around here again and $3-4 trillion US dollars are frozen up. Or exchanged for Euros in the Central Bank. So we don't DO "shooting."

Our neighbor to the South is a very different story. I would love for every Republican pseudo-patriotic Jesus-and-gun nut to spend just a few weeks in Colombia. I really would. You claim to like the Wild West so much, go down to Colombia and knock yourselves out. It is not about wearing the camouflage outfits and waving flags or any of that. It looks perfectly quiet and normal except EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS CARRYING A 9mm and most have shot at people in anger or fear before! There are no people on Earth who hate guns more than Colombians because they have to deal with it every day. The kind of insults you hurl with no desire for a real discussion over some random election would get you killed in Colombia. The political debate and the discussion of issues in the papers is pretty mellow and respectful for that reason.

I speak the language and know the place pretty well and it scares me to death to just go to a poker tournament or something. I can make my way around in the Jewish and Arab sections of Bogota or Medellin but I don't sleep that comfortably. Camilo Villegas won't go back because he's too famous and is sure he'll be kidnapped.

I like it in Panama where it's peaceful and mellow. I read all about how "tough" Republicans are and cowboy this and Pitbull Hockey Mom that and War Hero the other. Jeez. A 7-hour flight will take you right to the Wild West of your fantasies: Medellin, Cali, Barranquilla, Bogota, wherever. Go to a swap meet or a sporting goods store and get a few guns if you like. There's no shortage of people who would be more than happy to engage you. It's just not like GI Joe camouflage paintball. It's you dead and your family in tears and the US embassy not giving a crap.

But you Big Pink White People love the Wild West and guns and shooting and all that. You don't have to dream about it or even join the US military. You can just hop on a plane to Medellin. I think they have non-stops now from Atlanta, Houston and Miami. I would love to find out how it turns out for any Republican coward who wants to play "tough guy." Don't forget to bring your camouflage vest and your American flag pin. Run your mouth at top volume about "liberals" or "Barack Hussein Obama." That's really, really terrifying to a 16 year old private school kid in Medellin who saw his father and older brothers shot in front of him when he was 9 over money or politics or some insult.

Me? I'm chicken. I'm scared of violence.

Posted by: DexterManley | September 21, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

MITT ROMNEY LOOKS LIKE A HIGH PROFILE PIMP.

Posted by: HOOKERS USA | September 21, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

WHAT WAR WILL JOHN MCCAIN GET US IN NEXT?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, you ever have those moments when you just want to shot a Liberal with chemically enhanced projectiles and good strikes will change mental imbalance in Liberals which prevents them from understanding logic. I found a place where you can at http:shoottheliberals.com . Even Alan Colmns has written about on his website. Unfortunately he has been shot by one of these chemically enhanced projectiles!

Posted by: John Adams | September 21, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

4,159 SOLDIERS NOW DEAD AS THE RESULT OF FIGHTING IN THE IRAQI WAR!

THE WAR THAT JOHN MCCAIN VOTED FOR!

Posted by: YOUNG SONS AND DAUGHTERS | September 21, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

@ANONYMOUS: JFK was an anti-communist and he cut taxes because he had a big budget surplus but how was he not a traditional Democratic liberal? Please enlighten me.

Posted by: DexterManley | September 21, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

@ LIZ: I'm not American so I have no allegiance to any American political party. That said, it does certainly appear that the Democrats have a better more flexible and responsible attitude on most of the issues than Republicans do, by and large.

That said, while Republican voters seem to live in a fantasy world of their own with all sorts of weird rules and jealousies and inconsistent codes of behavior, there are ways Democratic voters express opinions that baffle me. Your antipathy towards Mitt Romney is a good example. Whether or not you agree with his views over all or think he'd make a good VP aside, you cannot criticize his knowledge of business, finance and economics. It is very strong. I've done plenty of business with Bain Capital and they are first rate thinkers on all of these kinds of issues of money and markets. Romney started that division and did a very good job managing it. Even if you don't like his views on certain things, you don't believe that the man is ignorant about such things as how foreign exchange rates, futures markets, equity markets, fiscal and monetary policy interact, do you? Do you know it better? Could you tell me why for example a financial crisis like this in the US might be very good short term for the US Dollar? Could you tell me why a swap is a portfolio of forward rates? Of course not. These are the absolute basics, too, and they are very significant issues to the average American.

I bet, though, that I'd agree with you on way more issues politically than I'd disagree with you. What I find troubling about otherwise clear-headed Democratic voters is that they won't recognize any Republicans in public life who have good ideas. I don't blame Democrats for this because Republican voters' beliefs are psychopathic and they believe Democrats are no better than Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists. Democrats are supposed to know better.

Democratic voters are way too quick to adopt a kind of anti-business faux-populism when that's not really what they mean. There's nothing inhumane about being pro-business and for lower taxes. But the populism is the way that Democratic voters and commenters seem to express their frustration and disagreement with a range of Republican approaches to government and international relations with this "anti-corporation" rhetoric.

Quite simply, such ideas as peace in the Middle East and a woman's right to choose abortion and gay rights and being opposed to the death penalty and for opposition to the Patriot Acts, have nothing whatsoever to do with the existence of the Joint Stock Company, the Limited Liability Corporation, compound interest, fiscal responsibility, monetary neutrality, the fungibility of assets and the free flow of capital.

There are certain business interests and industries which favor Republican ideas. That's for sure. "Wall Street" (broadly defined to mean "financial services") does not favor Republican ideas. "Capital" favors Demcratic ideas.

Obama's money principally comes from the financial services industry and the arts, entertainment and fashion industries. McCain's money pricipally comes from industrial and service businesses themselves and their trade associations (lobbyists), the oil companies, big agriculture and "defense." Tech is split.

The reasons are pretty simple. Obama's sources of money require free minds and free markets. McCain's sources of money require unregulated monopolies, limited competition, cost-plus pricing, a nervous and compliant work force and a lot of top down law enforcement and social control. Pitting groups against each other via racism, sexism and homophobia is a very good way to keep a work force nervous and terrorist propaganda helps with social control.

It's a nice idea that Obama got all his money from $5 internet contributions but it's just not so.

The act of making a US-Dollar/Swiss Franc long dated forward cross with warrant kickers is neither Democratic nor Republican. It's just a way to express an opinion in a market. I've done an uncountable number of such trades and I am absolutely against war, against mixing religion and politics, pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, and pro single-payer health insurance.

I have all those things in my country's constitution, however, and as givens in the culture. We also have way lower taxes than the US does as well as a balanced budget and no external debt because we have no military. We don't have the death penalty or even life sentences. Victimless and non-violent crimes do not carry custodial sentences. As far as guns go, you may own all the rifles, shotguns, and pistols you like for hunting and sport shooting but brandish a pistol or shoot at somebody and you're facing a very long custodial sentence. Automatic and semi-automatic weapons are not legal here. Abortion is legal. Contraceptives are all sold over the counter. The church and government are completely separate by law and custom.

We're half a century ahead of the US on these social issues and it's very much a capitalist pro-business low-tax entrepreneurial market-based culture.

Only in the US, do the concepts of "pro-business," "capitalism," and "low taxes" become associated with only one party and are like curse words to the other party.

Posted by: DexterManley | September 21, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Don't be an idiot. We know there are some Hillary voters that have moved to Mccain. Please use your brain not your emotions..

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Walmart Mom is a good name for Palin. Just more cheap stuff for the poor American consumer.

Posted by: Miker | September 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

RED, YOU ARE WRONG ON 3 POINTS! COME BACK WHEN YOU CAN COME UP WITH A WISER REASON. HILLARY VOTES ARE HILLARY VOTES. MEANS DEMOCRAT VOTES, WHICH MEAN NO VOTES FOR MCBUSH/PALIN.

Posted by: REDS GUT FEELINGS | September 21, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I think that Sarah Palin is just a side arm for John McCain. He has no regard for my feelings. There are much more qualified people men and women he could have chosen to be his VEEP. I'm just so ashame of how he brought this poor family into this. Knowing or not if she were qualified. He's a sad sight to see. THANK YOU!

Posted by: grandma | September 20, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Presidential elections are won by getting out the base, grabbing more voters from the other side than your opponent does from your side and converting independents. Many people vote on feelings not issues. My concern is that Obama will lose this election because 1.) palin will get out the repub base 2.) a percentage (it may be small but will aid McCain)of Hillary voters will vote McCain 3.) Independents will break for McCain because of race. This is an unbiased, unemotional assessment.

Posted by: Red | September 20, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Presidential elections are won by getting out the base, grabbing more voters from the other side than your opponent does from your side and converting independents. Many people vote on feelings not issues. My concern is that Obama will lose this election because 1.) palin will get out the repub base 2.) a percentage (it may be small but will aid McCain)of Hillary voters will vote McCain 3.) Independents will break for McCain because of race. This is an unbiased, unemotional assessment.

Posted by: Red | September 20, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

JF Kennedy was not a liberal. Maybe read a little about his policies before you make assumptions

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I think you are equating the two actual picks as being equally not as useful given the financial climate. Actually, the choice of Palin is extremely disadvantageous to McCain in this climate, while Biden is advantageous to Obama.

Palin is becoming known as a light-weight - even those who support her do so not for her intellect but for her convictions and her personality. She was shown to be in over her head on foreign policy by the Charlie Gibson interview and her knowledge of economic matters is now suspect and threatens to be cracked open during the debate.

On the other hand, Joe Biden, while more knowledgeable about foreign policy, is also reasonably well-versed on economic matters from years of serving in the U.S. Senate. He has legitimate labor and economic populist roots that will serve him in good stead in wooing Rust Belt Clinton voters to the Obama side in the coming months.

Palin's social agenda is less compelling in this climate, her novelty is fading, and people are beginning to think they'd like to have two safe, stable, and intelligent individuals, from the party with the history of looking out for the little guy, in charge of our nation's economy.

I think the McCain team outsmarted itself with the Palin choice and it will be, in 20/20 hindsight, viewed as a huge campaign error when the history books are written.

Posted by: Chuck | September 20, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

You're letting the tail wag the dog. Running a cell phone company (Warner) and becoming a millionaire by taking out companies (Romney) does not indicate an understanding of the current financial crisis; even the investment bankers don't know what it is they have!!!

Additionally, to focus on only one of the grave problems facing our country when deciding on a veep is shortsighted, to say the least. Joe Biden's knowledge is much broader than Warner or Romney's ever thought of being.

Posted by: Liz | September 20, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

@ ANONYMOUS: To be an "Avowed-Sociliast" you have to CLAIM TO BE ONE and it would also help to actually be one in real life. "Socialist" has a very specific meaning. It's not just someone who disagrees with you. It's someone who believes in collective ownership of property and productive capacity. If that's what Obama believes, he's keepen it to himself. He sounds like a garden-variety Democrat to me.

I'm not a citizen so I can't vote. If I had my choice of Obama or McCain, I'd vote for Obama. If I had a choice of anyone who ran for president I'd prefer Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. I like Ron Paul better on economics and Kucinich better on social policy. They're equally to my liking on foreign policy.

Plenty of liberals have won the presidency. Jefferson, Madison, Van Buren, Lincoln, Cleveland, FDR, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton.

Three liberals were elected but cheated out of their win: Tilden, Gore and Kerry.

One liberal was appointed: Ford

Posted by: DexterManley | September 20, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse


JOHN MCCAIN LEADER OR MADMAN
YOU BE THE JUDGE.

WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain arrived late at his Senate office on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. “This is war,” he murmured to his aides. The sound of scrambling fighter planes rattled the windows, sending a tremor of panic through the room.


Erik Jacobs for The New York Times
John McCain said he had consulted Henry A. Kissinger on foreign policy before and after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Within hours, Mr. McCain, the Vietnam War hero and famed straight talker of the 2000 Republican primary, had taken on a new role: the leading advocate of taking the American retaliation against Al Qaeda far beyond Afghanistan. In a marathon of television and radio appearances, Mr. McCain recited a short list of other countries said to support terrorism, invariably including Iraq, Iran and Syria.

“There is a system out there or network, and that network is going to have to be attacked,” Mr. McCain said the next morning on ABC News. “It isn’t just Afghanistan,” he added, on MSNBC. “I don’t think if you got bin Laden tomorrow that the threat has disappeared,” he said on CBS, pointing toward other countries in the Middle East.

Within a month he made clear his priority. “Very obviously Iraq is the first country,” he declared on CNN. By Jan. 2, Mr. McCain was on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, yelling to a crowd of sailors and airmen: “Next up, Baghdad!”

Now, as Mr. McCain prepares to accept the Republican presidential nomination, his response to the attacks of Sept. 11 opens a window onto how he might approach the gravest responsibilities of a potential commander in chief. Like many, he immediately recalibrated his assessment of the unseen risks to America’s security. But he also began to suggest that he saw a new “opportunity” to deter other potential foes by punishing not only Al Qaeda but also Iraq.

“Just as Sept. 11 revolutionized our resolve to defeat our enemies, so has it brought into focus the opportunities we now have to secure and expand our freedom,” Mr. McCain told a NATO conference in Munich in early 2002, urging the Europeans to join what he portrayed as an all but certain assault on Saddam Hussein. “A better world is already emerging from the rubble.”

To his admirers, Mr. McCain’s tough response to Sept. 11 is at the heart of his appeal. They argue that he displayed the same decisiveness again last week in his swift calls to penalize Russia for its incursion into Georgia, in part by sending peacekeepers to police its border.

His critics charge that the emotion of Sept. 11 overwhelmed his former cool-eyed caution about deploying American troops without a clear national interest and a well-defined exit, turning him into a tool of the Bush administration in its push for a war to transform the region.

“He has the personality of a fighter pilot: when somebody stings you, you want to strike out,” said retired Gen. John H. Johns, a former friend and supporter of Mr. McCain who turned against him over the Iraq war. “Just like the American people, his reaction was: show me somebody to hit.”

Whether through ideology or instinct, though, Mr. McCain began making his case for invading Iraq to the public more than six months before the White House began to do the same. He drew on principles he learned growing up in a military family and on conclusions he formed as a prisoner in North Vietnam. He also returned to a conviction about “the common identity” of dangerous autocracies as far-flung as Serbia and North Korea that he had developed consulting with hawkish foreign policy thinkers to help sharpen the themes of his 2000 presidential campaign.

While pushing to take on Saddam Hussein, Mr. McCain also made arguments and statements that he may no longer wish to recall. He lauded the war planners he would later criticize, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney. (Mr. McCain even volunteered that he would have given the same job to Mr. Cheney.) He urged support for the later-discredited Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi’s opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, and echoed some of its suspect accusations in the national media. And he advanced misleading assertions not only about Mr. Hussein’s supposed weapons programs but also about his possible ties to international terrorists, Al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.

Five years after the invasion of Iraq, Mr. McCain’s supporters note that he became an early critic of the administration’s execution of the occupation, and they credit him with pushing the troop “surge” that helped bring stability. Mr. McCain, though, stands by his support for the war and expresses no regrets about his advocacy.

In written answers to questions, he blamed “Iraq’s opacity under Saddam” for any misleading remarks he made about the peril it posed.

The Sept. 11 attacks “demonstrated the grave threat posed by a hostile regime, possessing weapons of mass destruction, and with reported ties to terrorists,” Mr. McCain wrote in an e-mail message on Friday. Given Mr. Hussein’s history of pursuing illegal weapons and his avowed hostility to the United States, “his regime posed a threat we had to take seriously.” The attacks were still a reminder, Mr. McCain added, of the importance of international action “to prevent outlaw states — like Iran today — from developing weapons of mass destruction.”

Formative Years

Mr. McCain has been debating questions about the use of military force far longer than most. He grew up in a family that had sent a son to every American war since 1776, and international relations were a staple of the McCain family dinner table. Mr. McCain grew up listening to his father, Adm. John S. McCain Jr., deliver lectures on “The Four Ocean Navy and the Soviet Threat,” closing with a slide of an image he considered the ultimate factor in the balance of power: a soldier marching through a rice paddy with a rifle at his shoulder.

“To quote Sherman, war is all hell and we need to fight it out and get it over with and that is when the killing stops,” recalled Joe McCain, Senator McCain’s younger brother.

Vietnam, for Senator McCain, reinforced those lessons. He has often said he blamed the Johnson administration’s pause in bombing for prolonging the war, and he credited President Richard M. Nixon’s renewed attacks with securing his release from a North Vietnamese prison. He has made the principle that the exercise of military power sets the bargaining table for international relations a consistent theme of his career ever since, and in his 2002 memoir he wrote that one of his lifelong convictions was “the imperative that American power never retreat in response to an inferior adversary’s provocation.”


But Mr. McCain also took away from Vietnam a second, restraining lesson: the necessity for broad domestic support for any military action. For years he opposed a string of interventions — in Lebanon, Haiti, Somalia, and, for a time, the Balkans — on the grounds that the public would balk at the loss of life without clear national interests. “The Vietnam thing,” he recently said.

In the late 1990s, however, while he was beginning to consider his 2000 presidential race, he started rebalancing his view of the needs to project American strength and to sustain public support. The 1995 massacre of 5,000 unarmed Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica under NATO’s watch struck at his conscience, he has said, and in addition to America’s strategic national interests — in that case, the future and credibility of NATO — Mr. McCain began to speak more expansively about America’s moral obligations as the only remaining superpower.

His aides say he later described the American air strikes in Bosnia in 1996 and in Kosovo in 1999 as a parable of political leadership: Mr. McCain, Senator Bob Dole and others had rallied Congressional support for the strikes despite widespread public opposition, then watched approval soar after the intervention helped to bring peace.

“Americans elect their leaders to make these kinds of judgments,” Mr. McCain said in the e-mail message.

It was during the Balkan wars that Mr. McCain and his advisers read a 1997 article on the Wall Street Journal editorial page by William Kristol and David Brooks of The Weekly Standard — both now Op-Ed page columnists at The New York Times — promoting the idea of “national greatness” conservatism, defined by a more activist agenda at home and a more muscular role in the world.

“I wouldn’t call it a ‘eureka’ moment, but there was a sense that this is where we are headed and this is what we are trying to articulate and they have already done a lot of the work,” said John Weaver, a former McCain political adviser. “And, quite frankly, from a crass political point of view, we were in the making-friends business. The Weekly Standard represented a part of the primary electorate that we could get.”

Soon Mr. McCain and his aides were consulting regularly with the circle of hawkish foreign policy thinkers sometimes referred to as neoconservatives — including Mr. Kristol, Robert Kagan and Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Mr. Dole who became a McCain campaign adviser — to develop the senator’s foreign policy ideas and instincts into the broad themes of a presidential campaign. (In his e-mail message, Mr. McCain noted that he had also consulted with friends like Henry A. Kissinger, known for a narrower view of American interests.)

One result was a series of speeches in which Mr. McCain called for “rogue state rollback.” He argued that disparate regional troublemakers, including Iraq, North Korea and Serbia, bore a common stamp: they were all autocracies. And as such, he contended, they were more likely to export terrorism, spread dangerous weapons, or start ethnic conflicts. In an early outline of what would become his initial response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. McCain argued that “swift and sure” retribution against any one of the rogue states was an essential deterrent to any of the others. But Mr. McCain’s advisers and aides say his “rogue state” speeches stopped short of the most sweeping international agenda put forth by Mr. Kristol, Mr. Kagan and their allies. Mr. McCain explicitly disavowed direct military action merely to advance American values, foreswearing any “global crusade” of interventions in favor of relying on covert and financial support for internal opposition groups.

As an example, he could point to his 1998 sponsorship of the Iraqi Liberation Act, which sought to direct nearly $100 million to Iraqis who hoped to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The bill, signed by President Bill Clinton, also endorsed the ouster of Mr. Hussein.

Mr. McCain said then that he doubted the United States could muster the political will to use ground troops to remove the Iraqi dictator any time soon. “It was much easier when Saddam Hussein was occupying Kuwait and threatening Saudi Arabia,” the senator told Fox News in November 1998. “We’d have to convince the American people that it’s worth again the sacrifice of American lives, because that would also be part of the price.”

Hard Calls

Mr. McCain spent the afternoon of Sept. 11 in a young aide’s studio apartment near the Capitol. There was no cable television, nothing but water in the kitchen, and the hallway reminded him of an old boxing gym. Evacuated from his office but stranded by traffic, he could not resist imagining himself at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. “There are not enough Secret Service agents in the world to keep me away from Washington and New York at a time like this,” Mr. McCain told an adviser.


Over the next days and weeks, however, Mr. McCain became almost as visible as he would have been as president. Broadcasters rushed to him as a patriotic icon and reassuring voice, and for weeks he was ubiquitous on the morning news programs, Sunday talk shows, cable news networks, and even late-night comedy shows.

In the spotlight, he pushed rogue state rollback one step further, arguing that the United States should go on the offensive as a warning to any other country that might condone such an attack. “These networks are well-embedded in some of these countries,” Mr. McCain said on Sept. 12, listing Iraq, Iran and Syria as potential targets of United States pressure. “We’re going to have to prove to them that we are very serious, and the price that they will pay will not only be for punishment but also deterrence.”

Although he had campaigned for President Bush during the 2000 general election, he was still largely frozen out of the White House because of animosities left over from the Republican primary. But after Mr. Bush declared he would hold responsible any country condoning terrorism, Mr. McCain called his leadership “magnificent” and his national security team the strongest “that has ever been assembled.” A few weeks later, Larry King of CNN asked whether he would have named Mr. Rumsfeld and Colin L. Powell to a McCain cabinet. “Oh, yes, and Cheney,” Mr. McCain answered, saying he, too, would have offered Mr. Cheney the vice presidency.

Even during the heat of the war in Afghanistan, Mr. McCain kept an eye on Iraq. To Jay Leno in mid-September, Mr. McCain said he believed “some other countries” had assisted Osama bin Laden, going on to suggest Iraq, Syria and Iran as potential suspects. In October 2001, when an Op-Ed page column in The New York Times speculated that Iraq, Russia or some other country might bear responsibility for that month’s anthrax mailings, Mr. McCain interrupted a question about Afghanistan from David Letterman on that night’s “Late Show.” “The second phase is Iraq,” Mr. McCain said, adding, “Some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.” (The Federal Bureau of Investigation says it came from a federal government laboratory in Maryland.) By October, United States and foreign intelligence agencies had said publicly that they doubted any cooperation between Mr. Hussein and Al Qaeda, noting Al Qaeda’s opposition to such secular nationalists. American intelligence officials soon declared that Mr. Hussein had not supported international terrorism for nearly a decade.

But when the Czech government said that before the attacks, one of the 9/11 hijackers had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence official, Mr. McCain seized the report as something close to a smoking gun. “The evidence is very clear,” he said three days later, in an Oct. 29 television interview. (Intelligence agencies quickly cast doubt on the meeting.)

Frustrated by the dearth of American intelligence about Iraq, Mr. McCain’s aides say, he had long sought to learn as much as he could from Iraqi opposition figures in exile, including Mr. Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. Over the years, Mr. McCain often urged support for the group, saying it had “significant support, in my view, inside Iraq.”

After Sept. 11, Mr. Chalabi’s group said an Iraqi emissary had once met with Osama bin Laden, and brought forward two Iraqi defectors who described terrorist training camps and biological weapons efforts. At times, Mr. McCain seemed to echo their accusations, citing the “two defectors” in a television interview and attesting to “credible reports of involvement between Iraqi administration officials, Iraqi officials and the terrorists.”

Growing Impatient

But United States intelligence officials had doubts about Mr. Chalabi at the time and have since discredited his group. In 2006, Mr. McCain acknowledged to The New Republic that he had been “too enamored with the I.N.C.” In his e-mail message, though, he said he never relied on the group for information about Iraq’s weapons program.

At a European security conference in February 2002, when the Bush administration still publicly maintained that it had made no decision about moving against Iraq, Mr. McCain described an invasion as all but certain. “A terrorist resides in Baghdad,” he said, adding, “A day of reckoning is approaching.”

Regime change in Iraq in addition to Afghanistan, he argued, would compel other sponsors of terrorism to mend their ways, “accomplishing by example what we would otherwise have to pursue through force of arms.”

Finally, as American troops massed in the Persian Gulf in early 2003, Mr. McCain grew impatient, his aides say, concerned that the White House was failing to act as the hot desert summer neared. Waiting, he warned in a speech in Washington, risked squandering the public and international support aroused by Sept. 11. “Does anyone really believe that the world’s will to contain Saddam won’t eventually collapse as utterly as it did in the 1990s?” Mr. McCain asked.

In retrospect, some of Mr. McCain’s critics now accuse him of looking for a pretext to justify the war. “McCain was hell-bent for leather: ‘Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, we have got to teach him, let’s send a message to the other people in the Middle East,’ ” said Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts.

But Mr. McCain, in his e-mail message, said the reason he had supported the war was the evolving threat from Mr. Hussein.

“I believe voters elect their leaders based on their experience and judgment — their ability to make hard calls, for instance, on matters of war and peace,” he wrote. “It’s important to get them right.”

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you tell us what the Bradley effect is. I doubt you have a clue, Just another copy and paster.

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You Obamaties and other hopeful liberals are simply deluded, viz:

1) By almost 4-to-1, Americans who will go out to vote on November 4th live in small towns and rural settings.

2) By almost 6-to-1, Americans who will go out to vote on November 4th, will be of a race other than black.

3) By almost 10-to-1, Americans who go out to vote on November 4th do not post on blogs, like the vapid vituperations posted above.

4) No liberal -- much less an avowed socialist -- has ever won a presidential election in American history.

5) These days in America, it is very likely that "Hussein" would be the least likely middle name for any presidential hopeful to have.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

McCain wins 310 or more electoral votes and beats Barry Hussein by several million votes, which will astound the pollsters, who (due to all the liberal MSM gushing) forgot the Bradley Effect.
Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 9:41 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I do agree that Palin who admits she is your common soccer mom. Talking about taking sides with Georgia and have no clue of the conflict.

Sorry McCain the people of Georgia are my friends but don't ask me to send my sons and daughters to go to war and die for Georgia.

We've dealt with Russia before and until Russia becomes and all out threat to our security. Than I feel your bringing us closer to war with Russia.

We don't want a nuclear war John McCain!

Posted by: americans | September 20, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

You Obamaties and other hopeful liberals are simply deluded, viz:

1) By almost 4-to-1, Americans who will go out to vote on November 4th live in small towns and rural settings.

2) By almost 6-to-1, Americans who will go out to vote on November 4th, will be of a race other than black.

3) By almost 10-to-1, Americans who go out to vote on November 4th do not post on blogs, like the vapid vituperations posted above.

4) No liberal -- much less an avowed socialist -- has ever won a presidential election in American history.

5) These days in America, it is very likely that "Hussein" would be the least likely middle name for any presidential hopeful to have.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

McCain wins 310 or more electoral votes and beats Barry Hussein by several million votes, which will astound the pollsters, who (due to all the liberal MSM gushing) forgot the Bradley Effect.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

COLIN POWELL,JAMES BAKER AND HENRY KISSINGER ALL AGREED THAT NO VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SHOULD NOT BE MAKING ANY COMMENTS CONCERNING RUSSIA AND GOERGIA.

TAKE ANY SIDES CONCERNING THESE COUNTRIES UNTIL THEY COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SITUATION.

SARAH PALIN OPENS HER DUMB ASS MOUTH ON FOREIGN ISSUE'S SHE HAS NO IDEAL OF WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.

I CAN CARE LESS WHAT YOU MALE OR FEMALES THINK ABOUT PALIN. SHE IS A STRAIGHT OUT DUMB ASS.

IF THIS MOOSE STEW EATING B*TCH THINKS SHE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT MY COUNTRY RUSSIA, MCCAIN IS A BIGGER FOOL!

Posted by: PEOPLE OF RUSSIA | September 20, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Dude: You're a journalist, journal!

Obama made a perfectly reasonable argument that his extensive world travels and experience living in foreign nations give him some sense of diplomacy. You know that's true. You know that John McCain alienates everybody outside the US for his lack of diplomacy.

You can discuss the "images" all you want. You know the realities very well. Obama and Perez-Balladares share the same US legal representative in Gregory Craig. There are few instrumental thinkers on Latin policy better than Craig. Obama is so punctilious about research that he's gotten the same kind of ways in locally everywhere else.

He only needed Biden to "signal" that ability and was willing to gamble that Biden wouldn't go off the way he sometimes does. He hasn't. Biden's been a gentleman. He's been supportive of Obama at everyturn and his Washington experience more than his foreign policy experience is the help to Obama. I wasn't a huge Biden fan to start with, but I think it has proven to be an excellent choice.

Obama doesn't need to "signal" that he's better on business, economics and finance than McCain is. Obama was offered officer track position as house-counsel in risk management at a number of investment banks when he finished Harvard Law and passed up clerking at the SCOTUS. He's got Blinder, Buffett, Soros and Voelcker advising him. How much better could he do?

Palin was an OUTSTANDING choice for McCain. I personally much prefer Obama but I was worried about Romney, because Romney would have added dignity and intelligence to a guy who's weak in both areas. I was all wrong about that. I should have figured that if somebody like me would have been comfortable with Romney as VP or President, he would never have a chance to be on a Republican ticket!

She so fits the mood of the electorate and the ticket in a way Romney never could. All Romney ever did was build a multi-billion dollar division from scratc within an already hugely successful corporation which had been very set in its ways. And clean up the US Olympic scandals. And serve as a Republican governor of Massachusetts who had the balls to cut taxes and sign a gay marriage law. And as son of one of the most respected Republicans across the board of recent history Romney is no stranger to the game. What's that compared to taking 5 years to finish college at a crap school and being a small town mayor with a scandal-filled two years as governor of Alaska?


She fits the mood of half of America like few people I've seen in politics. Ronald Reagan really had nothing on her. Reagan was a lot smarter than people gave him credit for and a lot more sophisticated. Sarah Palin really takes all of the best elements of Ronald Reagan and strips them away leaving just the dopier and meaner aspects of his rhetoric. I think Sarah Palin will be what Charles Lindbergh never managed. The perfect embodiment of the White Christian American racist dummy.

I don't like anything about her but she has very good political skills. McCain can only win this if it's a culture war and he's got the perfect culture warrior with him.

Good choices for VP for both candidates.

Posted by: DexterManley | September 20, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

What they need to run the country store is a good old redneck. ..............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/19/rednecks-for-obama/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | September 20, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

DON'T HAVE ME B*CH SLAP YOU AMERICANS. STOP BEING SUCH CRY BABY LOSERS. SUCK IT UP LADIES, MAN UP DUDES.

Posted by: PHIL GRAHAM | September 20, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

KRISRIN2 RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN THE SKYYYYYYYYYYY IS FALLING.

PALIN IS CAUSING THE SKY TO FALL!

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN FOR YOUR LIFE..
THE SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ISSSSSSSSSSSS FALLINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG THE SKY IS FALLING

Posted by: CHICKEN LITTLE | September 20, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

The Delicate Subject of John McCain's Marbles

"Evil must be defeated!" -- John McCain 8/16/08

"Enough is enough! We're going to put an end to greed!" -- John McCain 9/17/08

It's inspiring to know that John McCain has a plan to end greed. I just hope it doesn't distract him from his mission to defeat evil. Either way, it has to kick the sh!t out of whatever Barack Obama's got on the docket, with his empty words and pie-in-the-sky promises.

America's choice is clear. Barack Obama, a messianic egomaniac who thinks he's, like, our savior or something, or John McCain, who will defeat evil and put an end to greed.

John McCain will not only take on special interests and Washington insiders, he'll fundamentally alter human nature. And without raising taxes, either. He'll lead us to a sort of martial nirvana where all other emotions are replaced with patriotism, and turn the United States into a shining, selfless, bipartisan cross between heaven and Sparta.

Or maybe he's just a desperate shell of a man, babbling glorp.

If Reverend Wright went around shouting stuff like "We're going to put an end to greed!" people would start thinking he was some kind of fruitcake.


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You might think "I'll end greed" would be the most mortifying thing John McCain could say at one sitting. You'd be wrong. At Wednesday's town hall -- his first with Sarah Palin -- he topped himself with this explanation of her credentials:

"She has been commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard. Fact. On September 11 a contingent of the Guard deployed to Iraq and her son happened to be one of them so I think she understands national security challenges."
Which is fine except:

The governor of Alaska doesn't command the National Guard in combat overseas.

Sarah Palin didn't deploy anyone anywhere on September 11th. She was a guest speaker at an Army deployment ceremony.

Track Palin isn't in the National Guard; he's in the Army.

Sometimes it seems like it's more than John McCain can handle, just keeping all the lies about Sarah Palin straight in his head. Tomorrow he'll say she's in the Air Force herself, on a plane she bought on eBay, bombing the bridges at Toko-Ri.


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It's all Shiites and Sunnis to John McCain. So what's your problem? We're told that Lord Raglan fought the entire Crimean War believing the Russians were the French. And that worked out okay because, uh, everyone under his command died.


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"I know how to win wars! I know how to win wars!" -- John McCain 7/15/08

I know this is a sort of threadbare exercise -- the old switcheroo -- but imagine what would happen if Barack Obama got the Army and the National Guard mixed up.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

“Some members of the chattering classes — pinot-swilling, arugula-chomping snobs — seem to think Sarah Palin is not qualified to be vice president. Well, that’s not fair.

“A thorough study of Palin’s record reveals that she has modeled her style of governance after Dick Cheney, whose authoritarian principles of leadership rely heavily on lying, secrecy and vindictiveness. Though Palin’s public career has been much shorter than Cheney’s, she has nevertheless shown a genuine flair for those same traits — telling lie after lie to conceal her misdeeds from public view and trying to destroy those who dare disagree with her. She has proven a quick study of the Sith lord
(ajc.com)

Posted by: Kristin2 | September 20, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

On October 5 Hussein Obama will announce that due to health concerns Joe Biden is withdrawing from the race and he will be replaced by Hillary Clinton as VP. That way the women can have the female they love and Hussein will become president. Of course he will have to watch his back 24/7 because you know who wants to become president. Joe Biden (also known as Mr. Plagiarism) will live another 20+ years and will be appointed to the Supreme Court where he will die in office in 2040 setting a record as the oldest jurist ever.

Posted by: Circle8 | September 20, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are showing their true colors again. The Congressional Republicans are warning their Democratic counterparts to not include anything extra in the $700 billion bailout to rich fat cats. These extras include foreclosure relief or any other assistance to the average American.

As long as those corrupt, greedy executives at ("Insert Name Here") bank get to keep the outrageous bonuses they just paid themselves in December and their huge pay packages, it will all trickle down to us, right?

How can Congressional Republicans refuse assistance to a person who got a mortgage they didn't quite understand, but bail out the so-called experts? THIS IS DISGUSTING!

Posted by: Ann | September 20, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin is bad...almost as bad as this simplicity...

1 trillion Mccain deregulation Keating/S&L
2 trillion McCain Bush Iraq war
3 trillion Mccain deregulation (again) Gramm and all the other dereg lobbyists running his campaign...

how can anyone not say "wtf is this guy doing running for office?"

throw these bums out.

Posted by: dl | September 20, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Please read article titled “Lipstick on a Pig” at http://www.cliffyworld.com/blogs

Posted by: cliffyworld | September 20, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I like the way you think. I'll be keeping an eye on you.
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Today's Polls, 9/19
Let's not equivocate too much here. Over the course of the past several days, there has been a rather dramatic shift in this election toward Barack Obama. Our trendline estimate, which is engineered to be fairly conservative, registers the swing as equaling roughly 4 points over the course of the past week.

Changes of this velocity are unusual outside of the convention periods and the debates, especially in close elections. It took John McCain about 60 days and tens of millions of advertising dollars to whittle Obama's lead down from roughly 5 points at its peak in early June, to the 1-point lead that Obama held heading into the conventions. Obama has swing the numbers that much in barely a week.

Of course, we never really were entirely outside of gravitational field of the conventions, and probably at least half of this bounceback for Obama is merely the more-or-less inevitable consequence of McCain's convention bounce ending. But the fact is that Obama is in a stronger position now than he was immediately before the conventions. We now have him winning the election 71.5 percent of the time, which is about as high as that number has been all year.

There are two reasons why that number is as high as it is. Firstly, we are more than halfway through the penultimate month of the campaign, so even relatively small leads are fairly meaningful. But secondly, Obama has developed a structural advantage in the Electoral College that is understated by the popular vote margin. If we break the election down into its four fundamental scenarios, it looks like this:
62.5% Obama wins Popular Vote and Electoral College
0.7% Obama wins Popular Vote, loses Electoral College
27.8% McCain wins Popular Vote and Electoral College
9.0% McCain wins Popular Vote, loses Electoral College
Obama is roughly a 63/37 favorite to win the popular vote -- numbers that ought intuitively to look pretty reasonable for a candidate who holds a 2-point national lead fortysome days before the election. It's that 9 percent of the time he wins the Electoral College while losing the popular vote that make his 2-point lead much more robust. If the states maintain their positioning relative to one another -- and they may well not -- Obama probably has about a 1-point cushion in which he'll remain the favorite to win the Electoral College even while losing the popular vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 4:10 PM

Posted by: Sam Kenison Jr. | September 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE MY COUNTRY

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Today's Polls, 9/19
Let's not equivocate too much here. Over the course of the past several days, there has been a rather dramatic shift in this election toward Barack Obama. Our trendline estimate, which is engineered to be fairly conservative, registers the swing as equaling roughly 4 points over the course of the past week.

Changes of this velocity are unusual outside of the convention periods and the debates, especially in close elections. It took John McCain about 60 days and tens of millions of advertising dollars to whittle Obama's lead down from roughly 5 points at its peak in early June, to the 1-point lead that Obama held heading into the conventions. Obama has swing the numbers that much in barely a week.

Of course, we never really were entirely outside of gravitational field of the conventions, and probably at least half of this bounceback for Obama is merely the more-or-less inevitable consequence of McCain's convention bounce ending. But the fact is that Obama is in a stronger position now than he was immediately before the conventions. We now have him winning the election 71.5 percent of the time, which is about as high as that number has been all year.

There are two reasons why that number is as high as it is. Firstly, we are more than halfway through the penultimate month of the campaign, so even relatively small leads are fairly meaningful. But secondly, Obama has developed a structural advantage in the Electoral College that is understated by the popular vote margin. If we break the election down into its four fundamental scenarios, it looks like this:
62.5% Obama wins Popular Vote and Electoral College
0.7% Obama wins Popular Vote, loses Electoral College
27.8% McCain wins Popular Vote and Electoral College
9.0% McCain wins Popular Vote, loses Electoral College
Obama is roughly a 63/37 favorite to win the popular vote -- numbers that ought intuitively to look pretty reasonable for a candidate who holds a 2-point national lead fortysome days before the election. It's that 9 percent of the time he wins the Electoral College while losing the popular vote that make his 2-point lead much more robust. If the states maintain their positioning relative to one another -- and they may well not -- Obama probably has about a 1-point cushion in which he'll remain the favorite to win the Electoral College even while losing the popular vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl,

I realize that social skills are not your forte' but I also know that you can be taught to "get' things that don't process intuitively.

Calling Mrs. Palin a clown is not respectful and not something an aspergirl would generally do -- as Asperger folks tend not to discriminate or demonize in this way. But kudos on the aversion to racism. That is certainly in keeping with the diagnosis.

While it is true that HRC manifests features of pathological narcissism, so does Obama. Obama's Messiah complex and aspiration to the presidency after so little time in office are very suspicious indeed.

Glad to see that you have progressed to the point of respecting the viewpoints of others. :-)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I know it is pointless to bring it up. The MSM has no intention of reporting on any of the 15 or so disqualifying controversies surrounding Mrs. Palin. But here goes:

Does anyone in the MSM have a problem with Mrs. P quoting Westbrook Pegler, the late racist and antiSemite, in her acceptance speech at the convention? RFK Jr. recently wrote a whole article about this in HuffPo and discussed some unforgivable things Pegler said about his Dad.

Let's be clear: you do not "accidentally" quote Westbrook Pegler in any forum any more than you can "accidentally" quote the German guy who died in 1945.

When you quote Pegler you are blowing a dog whistle to communicate to legions of unhinged hatemongers, people who think as you do. This comes on top of her stated devotion to the agenda of Pat Buchanan, on which the Anti-Defamation League web site spends about four full pages. And on top of her alleged racial slur against O (it rhymed with "Rambo") as reported by journalist Charley James of laprogressive.com on Sept. 5.

Do a beehive 'do and a 41 inch "personality" let you get away with this extremist junk?

Oh well...

Posted by: Captain America | September 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous - good and interesting points.

What I was trying to say was that if Aspergirl annoys somebody so much much, just don't respond. Whether Asper is a troll or a person with issues (whatever they are), not responding provides less fodder for them to come back on.

Posted by: Under the Bridge | September 20, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN MAY VERY WEEL BE A VERY SICK MAN.

For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a "special" prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam.

McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the "red button," claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide.

Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation.

At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed "to put a man's mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened."

Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in "harsh psychological battles" with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress.

In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as "insane McCain," is well known for having a "volcanic" temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults.

Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain's in your face temperament up close. "His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson said. "Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause."

The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with "increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer."

The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.

McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body.

These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

McCain's POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a "royal family" and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in "solitary confinement."

In February, Reuters news reported that McCain's former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. "In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize," said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military.

Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam.

No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain's first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system.

Within days of McCain's shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their "mind and behavior modification" drugs on such an important prisoner.

McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain.

U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with "mind control" techniques and behavior modification drugs

Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that "a sinister battle for men's minds" was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained "have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them."

During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of "chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes." The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation.

Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain's unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½ prisoner of the communists.

The American public was first exposed to Soviet "brain perversion techniques" during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare.

By the end of the Korean War, "70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted."

Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States.

Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam's original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations.

Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could "put a man's mind into a fog."

Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows "free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media."

Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.

In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets."

Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.

In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.

More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."

During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war.

News pundants have elevated McCain to "the most popular national political figure in the country" by repeatedly describing him as a "war hero" based on his refusal accept a communist offer of "early release" from captivity.

What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp's senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, "it would be the longest held prisoner" Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer.

It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

Is McCain taking any kind of pain or "nerve" medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions?

McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?

Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?

Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp?

McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return?

Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam?

Does McCain's former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM BEST SAY ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN.......

"He is a vicious person"
Former representative Charles LeBoutillier R-NY
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"An embarrassment to the party"
Arizona GOP state senator Susan Johnson
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"There is nothing redeeming about John Mccain...he's a hypocrite"
Former house GOP whip Tom DeLay
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"The thought of him being president sends a chill down my spine. He is erratic"
Senator Thad Cochran, R- MS
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"Hard headed is one way to say it. Arrogant is another way to say it. It's a quality about him that disturbs me".
Larry Wilkerson, former chief aide to Colin Powell
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"What happens if he gets angry in a crisis...? It's the presidents job to negotiate and stay calm. I just don't see that he has that quality".
Former Arizona GOP chairman John Hinz
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"His temper would place this country at risk...and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind that should disqualify him"
Former Senator Bob Smith, R-NM
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"I decided I didn't want this guy anywhere near a trigger."
Senator Pete Domenici, R-NM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

An open letter to the community:

I renounce my stupidity and idiotic racism.
I apologize for being a moronic fascist troll.
I apologize for sitting at home doing nothing but carpet-post on multiple websites anti-Obama sewage, 8am-11pm, 7 days a week.
I ask forgiveness for being of no value to the world except to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide.
I admit that HRC is a narcissistic psychotic and I am ashamed to be associated with her and her politics of personal destruction.
I realize being an HRC harpie is not a virtue but a diagnosable disease that can be treated.
I know Obama is the best candidate because of his message of hope and I am sorry I have not seen that because of my lack of intelligence and idiocy.
I ask forgiveness from the international blogoshere and promise to do what I can to redeem myself.
From this point on, I will post only intelligent, unbigoted posts that respect the viewpoints of others.
I am a pathetic fool, but I was just born that way.
I know in my heart Mrs. Todd Palin is a clown.

New AsperGirl...a new beginning

Posted by: New AsperGirl | September 20, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Under The Bridge:

Don't be too hard on Aspergirl. Of course she has issues. Her name says it all: Asperger's Syndrome. So to jump on Aspergirl for having issues would be like kicking a kid in a wheelchair. I wouldn't go there....

BTW, cool name Aspergirl.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

September 20, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Lipstick Bungle
By CHARLES M. BLOW

Mr. McCain, on Monday you repeated your delusional notion that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Now, the federal government is working on a deal to save that economy from collapsing. You have admitted that the economy is not your forte, so you could have used a running mate with some financial chops. (Remember Mitt Romney?)

But no. Who did you pick? SnowJob SquareGlasses whose financial credentials include running Wasilla into debt, listing (but not selling) a plane on EBay and flip-flopping on a bridge to wherever. In fact, when it comes to real issues in general, she may prove to be a liability.

In what respect, you may ask?

It turns out that the Republican enthusiasm for Sarah Palin is just as superficial as she is. They were so eager for someone to cheer for (because they really don’t like you) that they dove face first into the Palin mirage. But, on the issues, even they worry about her.

In a New York Times/CBS News poll conducted this week 77 percent of Republicans said that they had a favorable opinion of Palin. But when asked what specifically they liked about her, their top five reasons were that she was honest, tough, caring, outspoken and fresh-faced. Sounds like a talk-show host, not a vice president. (By the way, her intelligence was in a three-way tie for eighth place, right behind “I just like her.”)

When those Republicans were asked what they liked least about her, they started to sound more like everyone else. Aside from those who said that there was nothing they didn’t like, next on the list were: her lack of experience, her record as governor and her lack of foreign-policy experience.

Also, most Republicans think you only picked her to help with the election, not because she is qualified, and a third said that they would be “concerned” if for some reason she actually had to serve as president.

And Palin is proving to be just as vacant as people suspected. In her interview with Charles Gibson last week, she didn’t know what the Bush doctrine was. At your first joint town hall meeting with her in Michigan on Wednesday, in front of an invitation-only crowd of Republicans no less, she dodged substantive questions about the issues as if they were sniper fire, while issuing a faux challenge to the audience to play a game of “stump the candidate”. Seriously?

Many of your supporters will no doubt cry sexism. Fine with me. But that defense rings hollow. I find many of them to be sexist. Fresh-faced? Delegates on the floor of the Republican National Convention wearing buttons like “Hoosiers for the hot chick”?

Seriously.

E-mail chblow@nytimes.com.

Posted by: From NYT | September 20, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous posted Sept. 20, 2008 1:29 PM

Could someone, if you can, post on YouTube the question and answer part of Sen. Obama economic speech which he did yesterday morning?

Boy what a simpleton, This Simpleton can post a comment but is not smart enough to use a search engine to find anything.

What a whiner! Will you stop b*tching and moaning until you can do your own research.

Posted by: JAC | September 20, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I so wanna do Mrs Palin in the back of my pickup...with dem fancy glasses on of course.

Rednecks for Palin/Mccain '08

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Concerning the VP picks, when John McCain announced Sarah Palin, I had the impression the choice had been made in April or May, well before the McCain campaign had started its effort in June to paint Senator Obama as lacking experience.

Now why, one might ask, would McCain attack Obama on experience when he knew he was going to pick a VP open to the same attack? Simple, he wanted to push Obama away from picking Hillary Clinton as his running mate. I suspect McCain thought that if Obama picked Hillary the Democrat Party would unite and election would be Obama's.

McCain's challenge was to devise a way to influence the Obama campaign away from picking Clinton. He decided to do this through a frontal assault on Obama's experience. But this, I believe, was only a feint. With the conservative media continuously speculating that Mitt Romney, Tom Pawlenty or even Joe Lieberman would be McCain's VP choice, Obama felt he could safely address his potential vulnerability on experience. He responded to McCain's attacks by picking Joe Biden as his VP. This allowed McCain to turn Obama's flank with his pick of Palin thereby driving a wedge between Obama and the Hillary Democrats, all 18 million of them. Palin's pro-life conservatism and history of reform was just icing on the cake.

Forget the talk of Palin being an unvetted last minute choice. This pick has all the elements of a brilliant military strategy, reminiscent one his grandpa might have used against the Japanese in the Pacific.

Might he have acted differently in the current economic situation? Probably not. He can always pick Romney as his Treasury Secretary. McCain knew the situation called for a bold strategy, and he delivered. Dare to risk, dare to win!

Posted by: Phantom Scribe | September 20, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The leveling in the polls on Palin finally caused me to realize how cynical McCain has become.

His willing to put the country at risk by choosing a Rookie League politician is really unfathomable to me.

That totally belies the totuted slogan "Country First."

McCain for the past two years has been about only one thing, Get Elected First!

Just as Bush blew a tremendous opportunity to bring people together after 9/11 for political reasons; McCain has driven the Straight Talk Express off the cliff for the most political of reasons.

It looks as if the conning of the American Public by GOP leaders has finally hit a wall. The GOP power mongers who pull the stings behind the scenes must be kicking themselves now with his pick of Palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I DON'T SEE HOW OBAMA'S RESPONSE TO YESTERDAY'S BAILOUT WAS AT ALL UNUSUAL.PEOPLE WHO WANT ANSWERS TO HARD QUESTIONS,WITHOUT ANY TIME FOR THOUGHT, ARE DEFINATELY McCAIN SUPPORTERS,ANSWER AS FAST AS YOU CAN, TO TRY TO APPEAR SMART,THEN CHANGE YOUR MIND THE NEXT DAY.IF THE McCAIN/PALIN TICKET WINS, DON'T PLAN TO SIT BACK AND RELAX THINKING THAT YOUR NEEDS ARE BEING ATTENDED TO..IT WILL BE MORE LIKE A SOAP OPERA...HANGING ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT TO SEE WHAT THE NEXT DAY WILL BRING. USE YOUR BRAINS..VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 08

Posted by: PUREDEMO | September 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I DON'T SEE HOW OBAMA'S RESPONSE TO YESTERDAY'S BAILOUT WAS AT ALL UNUSUAL.PEOPLE WHO WANT ANSWERS TO HARD QUESTIONS,WITHOUT ANY TIME FOR THOUGHT, ARE DEFINATELY McCAIN SUPPORTERS,ANSWER AS FAST AS YOU CAN, TO TRY TO APPEAR SMART,THEN CHANGE YOUR MIND THE NEXT DAY.IF THE McCAIN/PALIN TICKET WINS, DON'T PLAN TO SIT BACK AND RELAX THINKING THAT YOUR NEEDS ARE BEING ATTENDED TO..IT WILL BE MORE LIKE A SOAP OPERA...HANGING ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT TO SEE WHAT THE NEXT DAY WILL BRING. USE YOUR BRAINS..VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 08

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Warning: Don't Feed the Troll!

Aspergirl is either a paid troll or has "issues,' putting it mildly.

Remember, those of you who complain about Aspergirl, just re-inforce them posting. If Asper is a paid troll, then each additional post related to them further justifies their Reason for Being to their boss.

If Apser is not a paid troll, imagine how addicted to their PC they must be.

Aspergirl and the Hoya for Hillary (37th & O) could easily be troll employees of Zouk at the Republican National Committee, intentionally taking these threads off topic, or driving the discussion when the thread topic actually suits them.

If their postings bother you, don't feed them!

With no reinforcement eventually they'll post less and less.

Posted by: Under the Bridge | September 20, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

**** NEW INFO ON ALLEGED PALIN HACKER****

Hey guys have new info on the alleged Palin hacker, including a pic of the kid.

http://www.mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Blow's description of Gov. Palin was:
SnoJob SquareGlasses

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

*Sarah Palin is white trash.

Posted by: Reality slap | September 20, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

As for business experience in government officials obviously it doesn't hurt to have it. However to think that experience at the micro level of an economy gives one expertise at the macro level of economic thought, theory and strategies is fallacious. Business experience has not proven to be that valuable in government since the latter is not governed by the same profit and loss emphasis nor does business have to deal with legal and public policy issues generally much broader than the issues a private business has to deal with. Bush and Cheney have business experience and look what a catastrophe they have given us.

Posted by: RON | September 20, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow can you believe this? Can Obama be elected?

WASHINGTON (AP) - Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks—many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles.

The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004—about 2.5 percentage points.

Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and

Posted by: Steve | September 20, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Typical short term thinking. Top officials should be chosen on the basis of their broad knowledge and judgment not their mastery of the critical issue of the moment. There is something called the Federal Government agencies and cabinet members. Specialized knowledge should and does reside in such places. Unfortunately the media loves to focus in on a few individuals as if all knowledge and authority resided in them. Sort of like the Fuhrer Principle of government. Nonsense of course.

Posted by: RON | September 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Biden was a great pick because it proved that Obama is interested in governing. Biden could easily slide behind the desk of the Oval Office should something happen to Obama and in the meantime, he'll be another independent thinking, intelligent advisor and executive.

Palin, on the other hand, not so much. She has proved that what goes up must come down and is now a drag on the Republican ticket. Yes, she has more enthusiastic supporters than McCain but her detractors are the independents that the two campaigns are trying to woo.

McCain has been doomed to lose since he became the presumptive nominee many months ago. He is past his prime and on the wrong side of every issue.

Posted by: Peninsula Matt | September 20, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Anou wrote at 1:18:

WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM BEST SAY ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN.......

"He is a vicious person"
Former representative Charles LeBoutillier R-NY
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"An embarrassment to the party"
Arizona GOP state senator Susan Johnson

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what a post by a nitwit;

Here's some of Obama's friends say;

William Ayers, terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and wishes he could have done more damage.

'Barack Obama is my pal'

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Tony Rezco, convicted slumlord Felon that helped Obama buy his current home. Friend of Obama who was the recipient of $14 Million in grants from Illinois senate as a result.

A Convict.

"Obama is my pal"

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Reverend Wright.

Blame the white man. Let's divide and conqueor. God _____ America!

'Obama is my pal'

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Obama is a Thug.

He hangs with Thugs.

His pals are Thugs.

I wouldn't trust this guy as the second shift asst manager at a All Night Wendy's and you Far left nuts want the guy as President?

unbelieveable.

Posted by: Dano | September 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

In response to anonymous, I say: we've had "shoot first, ask questions later" in the Bring It On, Mission Accomplished, Brownie You're Doing a Heck of Job White House for 8 years. I don't know about you, but I don't think that went so well. So, I am personally willing to accept a moment or two of ... what do you call it? Oh yeah -- THINKING on the part of my President. Even that most Republican of editorial pages, the Wall Street Journal, declared yesterday that it was dangerous and foolhardy for McCain to be firing off uninformed snap opinions in this time of crisis.

Posted by: fmjk | September 20, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Could someone, if you can, post on YouTube the question and answer part of Sen. Obama economic speech which he did yesterday morning? It would be great to let the world see how terrible "Sen. Deep-throat" Obama is at economics and finance. Thanks.


Unfortunately, this is the sort of thing CNN and MSNBC would not show because it makes Sen. O look like a simpleton.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

forget the speechs and rhetoric'
WE NEED TO REDUCE SPENDING!!!
only one candidate has proven
he is willing to do that
JONH MCCAIN!

Posted by: usa3 | September 20, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

A call for change!
Help for the middle class!!!
Taxes on Corporations!
jimmy carter had the same
message as obama,
four years later,
I was jobless,
america was a joke,
interest rates were 19%
Do we have to learn
this lesson again?
I would have looked at
a clinton ticket seriously,
but obama is going to lead
america into chaos,
this kind of change,
is going to be an eye opener
for young people.
good luck america,

Posted by: simonsays1 | September 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I am backing Obama for President, but now after this banking crisis, he does always seem to be a step behind McCain in responding to events.

Why can't he respond quicker with the right answer, without having to change his position over the course of the next couple of days?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was a great VP pick for McCain and you can see the proof of that by the Obamanistas and the Democrats response. Their outrage and slime tactics to get Sarah at all costs and in every way only shows how afraid and scared they are that this election is lost to them. Joe Biden's pick as Obama's VP on the other hand is laughable at best. Republican's like myself love the Biden pick. Had he picked HRC, he'd have a good chance to become president. Without her he has none. Presidend John McCain and VP Sarah Palin will be sworn in in 2009.

Posted by: tic | September 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM BEST SAY ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN.......

"He is a vicious person"
Former representative Charles LeBoutillier R-NY
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"An embarrassment to the party"
Arizona GOP state senator Susan Johnson
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"There is nothing redeeming about John Mccain...he's a hypocrite"
Former house GOP whip Tom DeLay
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"The thought of him being president sends a chill down my spine. He is erratic"
Senator Thad Cochran, R- MS
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"Hard headed is one way to say it. Arrogant is another way to say it. It's a quality about him that disturbs me".
Larry Wilkerson, former chief aide to Colin Powell
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"What happens if he gets angry in a crisis...? It's the presidents job to negotiate and stay calm. I just don't see that he has that quality".
Former Arizona GOP chairman John Hinz
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"His temper would place this country at risk...and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind that should disqualify him"
Former Senator Bob Smith, R-NM
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"I decided I didn't want this guy anywhere near a trigger."
Senator Pete Domenici, R-NM

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I trust John McCain much more than Barack Obama to make sound decisions on the economy, and Gov. Palin has run the state of Alaska admirably

Each will have advice from experienced people, but when a decision has to made, I think McCain's track record shows that he is much more likely to make a choice that is in the best interest of the American people.
Barack Obama, on the other hand, is much more likely to make a decision based on what will produce the most political gain.
I don't even think of Sen. Obama as the Democrat nominee for president - he is more of a front person for a Democrat marketing campain - he certainly is the best orator I have seen.
This is one the reason's I don't trust Sen. Obama on any issue.

Posted by: J. | September 20, 2008 12:58 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I trust John McCain much more than Barack Obama to make sound decisions on the economy, and Gov. Palin has run the state of Alaska admirably

Each will have advice from experienced people, but when a decision has to made, I think McCain's track record shows that he is much more likely to make a choice that is in the best interest of the American people.
Barack Obama, on the other hand, is much more likely to make a decision based on what will produce the most political gain.
I don't even think of Sen. Obama as the Democrat nominee for president - he is more of a front person for a Democrat marketing campain - he certainly is the best orator I have seen.
This is one the reason's I don't trust Sen. Obama on any issue.

Posted by: J. | September 20, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: best mccain ad ever | September 20, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Just to be fair, also not released:
kbm's IQ
kbm's mama from jail
kbm's criminal record
kbm's bowel-movement

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How can NoBama even be vetted for President?

Let’s look at all of the items Barrack Obama has released:
1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — “Not available”
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Harvard Law Review articles published — NONE WRITTEN
10. University of Chicago scholarly articles — NONE WRITTEN
11. Your Record of baptism– Not released or “not available”
12. Your Illinois State Senate records–”not available”

Not even a certified copy of his birth certificate has been released.

Posted by: kbm | September 20, 2008 12:08 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

How can NoBama even be vetted for President?

Let’s look at all of the items Barrack Obama has released:
1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — “Not available”
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Harvard Law Review articles published — NONE WRITTEN
10. University of Chicago scholarly articles — NONE WRITTEN
11. Your Record of baptism– Not released or “not available”
12. Your Illinois State Senate records–”not available”

Not even a certified copy of his birth certificate has been released.

Posted by: kbm | September 20, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

UPDATE: O is up 8 (today's DailyKos). His groove is back. Now if the MSM starts reporting on Westbrook Pegler-fan Palin (how many stories can the MSM dodge and spike), O may get some breathing room.
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Not to mess up your world with facts but:

O leads (or ties) in every national poll. The Palin 5-6 point you-must-you-must-you-must-increase-your-bust bounce has been wiped out and then some. In the electoral projections, O gets 273, but that assumes he loses Ohio, Virginia, and Florida, a possible but not likely scenario.

That said, pretty much every respected analyst outside the self-absorbed BroderWorld echo chamber admits polls mean nothing in this race.

This race is about race. If America can overcome it, O wins. If it can't, he loses. That simple. We won't know 'till November. All the rest, except maybe the possibility of huge increases in voter turnout among young people (something that is talked about every year but never happens), is just, as Donald Sutherland said in "JFK," "a parlor game" for the media bloviators to play.

Cap
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Fact:

Obama lead Mac nationally by double digits a mere 10 weeks ago.

Fact: McCain has erased every lead in critical swing states, and in most cases is either tied, or leading, depending on the poll.

As Will Hunting said, "How do like them apples?"

Posted by: Pollster People | September 19, 2008 9:48 PM

Posted by: Captain America | September 20, 2008 9:41 AM

Posted by: Captain America | September 20, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin For PREISDENT

Posted by: GORP | September 20, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey New AsperGirl,
Open the window, get some oxygen, and let the hot air out of your house. When you can pull yourself away from the keyboard, go get some Alka-Seltzer to have on hand for the morning of November 5th; you'll definitely need it girl.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Yea that will work, make health care like the banks. Yu think Mccain will all of a sudden have a different health plan?

McCain on banking and health

OK, a correspondent directs me to John McCain’s article, Better Health Care at Lower Cost for Every American, in the Sept./Oct. issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the American Academy of Actuaries. You might want to be seated before reading this.

Here’s what McCain has to say about the wonders of market-based health reform:

Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.

So McCain, who now poses as the scourge of Wall Street, was praising financial deregulation like 10 seconds ago — and promising that if we marketize health care, it will perform as well as the financial industry!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

An open letter to the community:

I renounce my stupidity and idiotic racism.
I apologize for being a moronic fascist troll.
I apologize for sitting at home doing nothing but carpet-post on multiple websites anti-Obama sewage, 8am-11pm, 7 days a week.
I ask forgiveness for being of no value to the world except to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide.
I admit that HRC is a narcissistic psychotic and I am ashamed to be associated with her and her politics of personal destruction.
I realize being an HRC harpie is not a virtue but a diagnosable disease that can be treated.
I know Obama is the best candidate because of his message of hope and I am sorry I have not seen that because of my lack of intelligence and idiocy.
I ask forgiveness from the international blogoshere and promise to do what I can to redeem myself.
From this point on, I will post only intelligent, unbigoted posts that respect the viewpoints of others.
I am a pathetic fool, but I was just born that way.
I know in my heart Mrs. Todd Palin is a clown.

New AsperGirl...a new beginning

Posted by: New AsperGirl | September 20, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

If were talkin' game changer, Palin was perfect. if were talking qualifications, well, that's another story. Here some of the folks who might a little bit more fit than Ms. Todd Palin to be Veep:

1. Tyne Daly
2. Tara Reid
3. Robin Roberts
4. Misdemeanor "Missy" Elliott
5. Melissa Rivers
6. Joan Rivers
7. Robin Meade
8. S. Epatha Merkerson
9. Lisa Leslie
10."Mabel" (Cashier at corner 7/11 convenience store)
11. Robin Quivers

Less qualified than Palin:

Mrs. Wm. J. Clinton
Katie Couric
G. Ferraro
Harriet Christian

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

>>Captain America wrote: "This race is about race. If America can overcome it, O wins. If it can't, he loses."

This race is about race to the extent that its outcome is somewhat dependent on how many people you can persuade to vote based on the rhetoric of race and class/cultural warfare against Republicans, instead of other things on the agenda.

As was the case in the primaries, it comes down to left-wing idealists versus the pragmatists and the rhetoricians versus the concrete thinkers. Your dreams of racial triumphalism and talk of historic presidencies pale into affectations and narcissistic identity politics when people are afraid. When the upper middle class taxpayers who are already providing most of the support for your social programs and the running of this government are paying $20k per person for this bailout, how much more will Joe Biden ask us to pay for transfer of wealth to those who don't support society or even themselves, out of a demand for our "patriotism"?

Your racist agenda contain affectations that I can't afford to support

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 20, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Palin was a great pick for Mac. She gave him a temporary 6-7 bounce no other person could have, and, because the "mainstream" media refused to vet her and report on the 15 or more disqualifying controversies about her, she had time to create Palinmania.

The bounce is now gone but Palinmania continues: at recent events, Palin has drawn huge crowds which, embarrassing to Mac, have walked out en masse after Palin spoke and Mac readied to take the podium. She even refers to Mac as her "running mate." Clearly she is focusing on the top job. No need to rethink Palin: like it or not, she was a game-changer.

Biden has been a disappointment. He seemed like a good pick at the time but has added no value. Jim Webb, despite his "issues" with women and AAs would have been better. And Caroline Kennedy would have blown America's socks off. But this exercise in woulda-coulda is kinda silly.

And, no, HRC would not have helped O one bit, for reasons exhaustively discussed in 100s of articles and needing repetition. I mean look at what she's doing now: she is going through the motions with her "campaigning" for O (if that's what she calls it). It is all about her -- enshrine the whine -- and clearly not about challenging the other side. She has said not one word of criticsm about Palin. She is never on TV for O. At the same time she has Hillarians on TV and in print every week, see, e.g., Susan Estrich, bashing and trashing O. Note to O: Take her off the campaign trail and give a three-day pass to the Dinah Shore Golf Tournament so she can be part of a foursome (that's golf talk, not something else) with "Mrs." Billie Jean King, Martina Navratilova, and Mary Carillo. Followed up by a "coaching session" with Laura Davies. A much better use of HRC's time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

None of the VP people mentioned as economic have meaningful backgrounds commensurate with the depth and scope of the problem.

Romney, Warner, etc. are just businessmen lite. They are not the kind of deeply analytical ones who know what to do in the kind of problem solving we face. Meg Whitman & Carly Fiorina have more serious business credentials, being more recently and more powerfully from the CEO culture, but even so they are not economists.

The Romney/Warner types have the benefit of not being clueless to economic talk. Type major corporate CEOs like Whitman/Fiorina have the benefit of making economic decisions based on professional economic analysis, that have billion-dollar nuances. They will be competent decision-makers given the right support & research.

The only persons mentioned who are deep enough are real economists, investors or decision-makers who can carry the problem-solving and not be carried by the professional staff in their departments, are those who, like Gramm, Buffett, Reich and Rubin, who would be driving and shaping economic policy, not just reaction or deciding. The problem is that each of these people have their agendas and dogmas, mostly out of step with the new world of globalizing markets and its transformed dynamics. Gramm and Rubin are part of the problems -- architects, in fact -- that made our banking and finance sectors so vulnerable. Buffett & Reich are old & out of date. They can handle things that come their way, but they have no new vision to lead the country with economically in the sense that they are technicians of economic practice, not world leaders. Warren Buffett is getting ancient anyways and there is a WB deathwatch (who will be his successor?) going on among Berkshire Hathaway shareholders. Larry Summer is maybe an exception to the too-specialized-to-be-political and he would have made a good VP pick for Obama, had Obama anticipated the economic problems that were looming. Of all the economic specialist prospects, I think Larry Summer would have made a good world-leader prospect, but he has management style problems evidenced by his tenure as President of Harvard.

The thing to understand is that there are several cornerstones of the problems we face, and that bailing out these banks by buying up toxic portfolios doesn't solve those problems. All it does is bail out the banks -- save them -- at such great taxpayer expense we will be adding another drag on the economy in another direction -- our federal debt. The Treasury has to issue bonds to pay for the bailout, and when they do, every dollar we presently own will be worth less than it is today. Minimum wage will buy less. The crummy, low-$$ salaries that reporters and reporters make will buy even less than it does today. And we will have done nothing to solve the big cancerous problems eating up our economy, just done the equivalent of moving a tumor out of the stomach, say, so that we can continue to eat, relocating the tumor to another part of the body.

The leadership we need is that which addresses the underlying drivers of the economic problems:

(1) Unhealthy deregulation of banking, finance & commodity trading markets. The mortgage & banking & finance problems caused by democrats & Phil Gramm during the Clinton Administration and with democrat's mortgage programs Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac have to be solved. Bailing out banks does nothing to fix the sweeping deregulation of the Gramm-sponsored laws in the Clinton Administration and other trading and banking changes during the Clinton era that need to reversed. The bubble era started during the Clinton Administration, with the tech stock bubble which, after it burst and after Alan Greenspan (a Clinton era holdover who Bush kept on) lowered interest rates, morphed into the real estate mortgage backed derivatives bubble.

(2) Mortgage programs as social welfare programs. Get the racial, minority & social programming out of banking & finance requirements. The whole investing area of "subprime" mortgages and Fannie and Freddie was born of the requirement pushed on private industry by democrats to finance people who can't qualify normally for mortgages, based on accusations that racism, not their lack of qualifications, were keeping poor people from owning more homes. This was a holdover from 3 decades back, were housing segregation was blamed on racism and racial demographics of poverty, not the economic status of poor people. Subprime mortgages were born and forced on banks, and Fannie and Freddie Mac grew into democrat-controlled mortgage giants. It does not work to make racial and social programs a required part of banking and finance government interventions, and when our economy is stressed, these weak areas will split and can take the whole country's well-being down, too. It is better to separate the minority and social programs for mortgage finance from the banking and finance systems, eliminate subprime mortgages and create a separate minority housing office so that future program failures don't threaten our entire economy.

(3) Federal deficits & debt. Get federal spending under control, get energy independent. These speculative bubbles, and our going broke nationally, are caused by overspending on credit as a nation. The illusion of growth and prosperity that comes from spending on credit eventually comes to an end when you can't keep getting credit. That is actually what is happening to us with the kind of failures of our banking system that are occurring now. When old Republican politicians like John McCain and fiscal conservatives rail at the excessive government spending and waste and the deficit, this is not what they fear: they fear the weak dollar that shrinks in value as time goes on. But the credit market seizures are the inevitable result when the sellable (market) value of assets shrink so much relative to paper values that you can't sell the assets anymore and you become insolvent. We have to rein in our federal deficit and federal spending because the further inflation of dollar will continue to manifest problems in our overleveraged, overextended, credit-slammed economy.

(4) Energy trade deficit. We have to get the hundreds of billions of dollars we send abroad every year for foreign oil, under control. That is a kind of spending on credit that is killing the value of our dollar and other evaporation of American wealth. This is like bleeding a pint of blood every week: we can't keep it up any longer. We have to put a stop to this, even if that means voting out all the democrats in Congress who are posturing and obstructing drilling for oil and nuclear power. This massive transfer of wealth to foreign oil suppliers cannot continue much longer or we will go bankrupt as a society long before we can develop new energy technologies that we could be energy independent without oil or nuclear energy.

(5) Corruption & negligence. The Bush Administration and those currently in Congress are the poster children for public leaders held captive by special interests and their lobbying, PAC money. The negligence to the abuses of greedy & corrupt Wall Street financiers in cozy relationships with those who rated their securities and other malpracticing professionals, weren't acting in private. The abuses of mortgage fraud on a large scale were ignored. As the credit-backed derivatives problem grew, the only action taken by Congress was the 2005 Bankruptcy Act, supported by Joe Biden, that was a open raid on individual rights of private people who go bankrupt, backed by credit card companies and other banks who saw trouble approaching. As the mortgage problems grew, attempts to rein in Fredde Mac & Fannie Mae's corrupt accounting and other bad practices, like John McCain's Federal Housing Regulatory Act Of 2005, that was supposed to increase regulation of Fannie & Freddie, and that was defeated by democrats in congress. This is part of the reform John McCain has been pushing for much of his career.

What all this leads up to is that John McCain picked the right VP for this mess. (1) will probably happen now; (2) will probably never happen because democrats would treat any attempt to lift the requirement that they make subprime mortgages from banks as an attack on the black community (however there may be new regulations on subprime mortgage originations); (3), (4) and (5) are John McCain/Sarah Palin specialities. They are the clean-house, get-us-on-budget, watch-your-CEO's types that we need to get the federal side of our economy back under control, and get us out from under the wealth-crushing problem of energy dependence on foreign oil.

I.e. John McCain has picked the right VP. In terms of disaster control, he could have picked an even better VP had he been going for substance and not personality, if he had picked Christine Todd Whitman, former EPA head who resigned under Bush and is now a nuclear-industry lobbyist. She has a much better grasp of the climate change, energy industry and washington establishment than Palin. But this is a battle for popularity as well, and Whitman is pro-choice, so McCain's base would have puked her up.

John McCain understands what is going wrong with our economy and government management. He's just not using the same code words that liberal media -- which understands very little outside their social-liberal-arts world -- uses. He picked the right VP when he picked Sarah Palin.

If there is any doubt that when John McCain uses the words "special interest", "reform" and "misconduct" he knows what is happening today, i include 3 paragraphs from John McCain's 2005 speech on the floor of Congress, arguing for passage of his Federal Housing Regulatory Act Of 2005 (that democrats defeated):

'The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac. The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005."

'These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform. For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs—and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns."

'I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.'

more at: http://theminorityreportblog.com/blog_entry/ken_taylor/2008/09/17/john_mccain_warned_of_mortgage_collapse_in_2005

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 20, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Not to mess up your world with facts but:

O leads (or ties) in every national poll. The Palin 5-6 point you-must-you-must-you-must-increase-your-bust bounce has been wiped out and then some. In the electoral projections, O gets 273, but that assumes he loses Ohio, Virginia, and Florida, a possible but not likely scenario.

That said, pretty much every respected analyst outside the self-absorbed BroderWorld echo chamber admits polls mean nothing in this race.

This race is about race. If America can overcome it, O wins. If it can't, he loses. That simple. We won't know 'till November. All the rest, except maybe the possibility of huge increases in voter turnout among young people (something that is talked about every year but never happens), is just, as Donald Sutherland said in "JFK," "a parlor game" for the media bloviators to play.

Cap
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Fact:

Obama lead Mac nationally by double digits a mere 10 weeks ago.

Fact: McCain has erased every lead in critical swing states, and in most cases is either tied, or leading, depending on the poll.

As Will Hunting said, "How do like them apples?"


Posted by: Pollster People | September 19, 2008 9:48 PM

Posted by: Captain America | September 20, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the author. However, Politics seems to be about nominating the person with the best speaking abilities rather than the person with the best capabilities. The Right rejected Romney even though he clearly was far superior in terms of education and experience. The left selected Obama even though he was clearly the least experienced.

I am amazed how many people believe all the B.S. that the candidates are promising. Obama will not be able to deliver any new programs -- there will be no money after this latest bailout.

In the last couple decades, God has been replaced with Atheism, and Greed has replaced the Golden Rule. Patriotism has been replaced with Self Centeredness. A two parent family with a Mother and Father is no longer the norm. Blaming government will not fix the problem. It is time we look inward.

Posted by: John S. | September 20, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

An open letter to the community:

I renounce my stupidity and idiotic racism.
I apologize for being a moronic fascist troll.
I apologize for sitting at home doing nothing but carpet-post on multiple websites anti-Obama sewage, 8am-11pm, 7 days a week.
I ask forgiveness for being of no value to the world except to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide.
I admit that HRC is a narcissistic psychotic and I am ashamed to be associated with her and her politics of personal destruction.
I realize being an HRC harpie is not a virtue but a diagnosable disease that can be treated.
I know Obama is the best candidate because of his message of hope and I am sorry I have not seen that because of my lack of intelligence and idiocy.
I ask forgiveness from the international blogoshere and promise to do what I can to redeem myself.
From this point on, I will post only intelligent, unbigoted posts that respect the viewpoints of others.
I am a pathetic fool, but I was just born that way.
I know in my heart Mrs. Todd Palin is a clown.

New AsperGirl...a new beginning

Posted by: New AsperGirl | September 20, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"Have you compared the resume/credentials of the Republican candidate for VICE PRESIDENT with the resume/credentials of the Democratic candidate for PRESIDENT?"
It doesn't matter if you spent 20 years in the Senate our 6 months as the mayor of Moose-Nuts Alaska, nobody starts the job of President of the United States with experience.
If you were president of this or any other country in the past, it disqualifies you for consideration.
What they have is "experiences", not experience. Based on their experiences, we can make some broad guesses as to what their administrations would be like.
McCain has spent most of his adult life in the Senate. Contrary to what the Palinites pray nightly for, McCain would be a moderate, bi-partisan President (he'd have little choice since both houses would be solidly Democratic).
His primary campaign promise, to reform Washington is not likely to within his grasp. He lacks a political base to do that. His Republican colleagues don't support reform and the Democratic support for a Republican president is historically at best lukewarm. What he will be is significantly more competent and reality (instead of faith) based than our current Republican administration.
Obama has a similar background, so in many ways an Obama would have the same consensus building instincts McCain has. He may have the political base to undertake reform, the question in my mind is can he muster the political will to do it. Personally, I think he will have a lot of problems from his own party implementing his agenda, but then again he's a very smart, inspiring guy so with a little careful use of the bully pulpit he might be able to not only maintain a Democratic majority, he may also be able to effect what kind of Democrats comprise that majority. The country would become significantly more liberal under Obama but if the right direction/wrong direction numbers are too be believed, that would be a very popular thing.
I think if a Obama does win, it will spell the end of Republicans in the White House for a generation. Bush is perhaps the most corrupt President since Johnson (Andrew, not Lyndon) and we need to clean the festering sore he's leaving behind, of course I thought the same thing when Nixon resigned.

Posted by: dijetlo | September 20, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Woulda shoulda coulda, deal with the hand you have been given. Worry about remorse for it all later

Posted by: nclwtk | September 20, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I have to admit, I was excited to see that McCain choose a woman as VP, it gave me a chance to look at McCain again, but over the past two weeks, I have decided to stick with Obama. McCain and Palin some how are turning their campaign into a circus side show, how embarassing for us Americans. As for experience, yes both sides are inflicted with lacking some experience, but Obama does not run away from the press and will answer questions, and as far as education is concerned, Obama certainly out wits McCain and Palin both.

Posted by: Justine | September 20, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I was a supporter of Hilary, and I was mad at the Obama team for not picking her as his running mate. But I'm rethinking...

Certainly, the Obama team had been overly confident: they thought they would do fine without Hilary. But I can imagine some of the negative scenarios that could happen if Hillary were picked as the VP candidate. The Republicans will dig out all the skeletons in the Clintons' closet. Old skeletons that briefly came up before would now be exposed more thoroughly, and there would be new skeletons that we don't know. Even if some or all the new skeletons turn out to be unproven, there would be tremendous distractions for the Obama-Clinton team to deal with. Granted, the Obama-Biden will lose a bunch of Hilary's supporters for not picking her, but I'm not sure the Obama-Hilary team would be able to retain all the people who supported Hilary during the primary anyway. There are many, though not a majority, working-class Democrats who supported Hilary maybe because they didn't like Obama; but in the general election, they may prefer McCain over Obama for various reasons.

So, my message to the Hilary supporters who are still seething: let's get over it and give it all to the Obama-Biden team. They are not perfect, but think of the alternative! I became a supporter of Obama after 2, 3 weeks of seeing Sarah Palin in action. She's a light version of Dick Cheney in lipstick! (Thing about it: energy policy, hunting, enviromental policy, and all the secrecy...) I just made a donation to the Obama campaign after seeing a video clip of Sarah Palin mentioning Alaska’s proximity to Russia as one of her foreign policy qualifications. I’m afraid that it will hurt my pocketbook every time Palin gives a silly answer to a question asked during an interview or public appearance.

Posted by: anvanle | September 20, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Many intelligent comments here as well as the usual insipid partisans.

What is most interesting to me is who each candidates economic advisers are.

Obama: Warren Buffett (former Republican but world's richest man), former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker, former Treasury Secretary Robert Reich (Clinton) and former Treasury Sec'y Paul O'Neill (Bush), Joseph Steiglitz and others.

McCain's advisers consist of business people like eBay's Meg Whitman, former (ousted) HP CEO Carly Fiorina, former Senator Phil Gramm and others.

The suspicious one here is Gramm, who put forth the legislation that overturned the oversight laws (Glass-Steigel) that was the core of the deregulation movement in the banking sector that is largely credited for the financial meltdown we are in deep now.

On this issue, anyway, it seems like McCain is the one most tied to the faulty policies of the past with the Obama team being more closely alligned with the properity of the Clinton years.

Advantage Obama.


Posted by: Jerry | September 20, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I was a supporter of Hilary, and I was mad at the Obama team for not picking her as his running mate. But I'm rethinking...

Certainly, the Obama team had been overly confident: they thought they would do fine without Hilary. But I can imagine some of the negative scenarios that could happen if Hillary were picked as the VP candidate. The Republicans will dig out all the skeletons in the Clintons' closet. Old skeletons that briefly came up before would now be exposed more thoroughly, and there would be new skeletons that we don't know. Even if some or all the new skeletons turn out to be unproven, there would be tremendous distractions for the Obama-Clinton team to deal with. Granted, the Obama-Biden will lose a bunch of Hilary's supporters for not picking her, but I'm not sure the Obama-Hilary team would be able to retain all the people who supported Hilary during the primary anyway. There are many, though not a majority, working-class Democrats who supported Hilary maybe because they didn't like Obama; but in the general election, they may prefer McCain over Obama for various reasons.

So, my message to the Hilary supporters who are still seething: let's get over it and give it all to the Obama-Biden team. They are not perfect, but think of the alternative! I became a supporter of Obama after 2, 3 weeks of seeing Sarah Palin in action. She's a light version of Dick Cheney in lipstick! (Thing about it: energy policy, hunting, enviromental policy, and all the secrecy...) I just made a donation to the Obama campaign after seeing a video clip of Sarah Palin mentioning Alaska’s proximity to Russia as one of her foreign policy qualifications. I’m afraid that it will hurt my pocketbook every time Palin gives a silly answer to a question asked during an interview or public appearance.

Posted by: NoMoreWhatIf | September 20, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

You have to worry about the judgement of both candidates. This election is more of a game show then serious political discussion and debate. The closer we get to the election the dumber the dialoue becomes.

Obama and McCain are too busy beating each other up to notice the financial house of cards falling around them. They view the financial collapse as an opportunity to blame each other for the mess. The fact is, neither one of them have a clue as to what's unfolding. Both promise tax cuts they can't possibly deliver and some Americans are dumb enough to buy into it.

The two VP picks are woefully inadequate on many levels, especially finance. Mitt Romney should have been the pick for McCain and Hillary Clinton should have been the pick for Obama. Too bad neither presidential candidate had the common sense to go for the most qualified.

Once again America loses.

Posted by: Capt. Howard | September 20, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

To those who are so quick to dismiss Gov Palin as "unqualified":

Have you compared the resume/credentials of the Republican candidate for VICE PRESIDENT with the resume/credentials of the Democratic candidate for PRESIDENT?

If you say that you cannot vote for McCain because of his VP's "lack of experience", but then you turn around and vote for Obama to actually be President, then you are either a hypocrite or willfully ignorant.

Posted by: zyle | September 20, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

So McCain and Obama should have picked someone with private sector experience. Hullo, it was the private sector's greed and distaste for any sort of regulation that got us into this mess.

Posted by: ian stuart | September 20, 2008 5:05 AM | Report abuse

For those who doubt Governor Palin's ability to be "brought up to speed" before "the imminent death of John McCain":
Remember that Harry Truman had only been VP for a few months when FDR died. That was in a time of war. And Truman learned only AFTER the death of FDR that there was a new weapon called the atomic bomb.

Personally, I think the CHANCE that Governor Palin might suddenly be propelled into the presidency is much less risky than DIRECTLY ELECTING Senator Obama into The White House.

Personally, if I had to vote for either Palin or Obama to be President, I would vote for the one who has governed a state (for over a year) rather than the one who has "governed" only a presidential campaign (for nearly a year).

Posted by: zyle | September 20, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

Senator Biden, with his foreign policy experience, would have been a great choice to be Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State. But, since Obama decided he would be better suited as VP in order to shore up his weakness in that area, Biden is wasted. (It is also worth noting that, since Joe Biden had fared so poorly in his own presidential runs, why did Obama think the American people would find SOMEONE THEY HAD REJECTED to be suddenly acceptable?)

Governor Palin, with her track record (in both the public and private sector) as a corruption-busting reformer is an ideal complement to McCain and his campaign of real change (specifically "reform").

It is one thing for a candidate to say he is for change, then choose a VP who is anything but change. It is quite another for a candidate to say he is for change, then choose a VP who proves it.

The President decides what role the Vice President will play. McCain has given Palin the role of what she does best: Reform.

And keep in mind, since McCain did NOT choose Lieberman or Romney for VP, he can give them positions in his cabinet. McCain knows best how to find and utilize talent. As for his Veep decision, he beat Obama hands down!

Posted by: zyle | September 20, 2008 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Yes, indeed pick a successfull businessman for VP.

Let's see Dick Fuld, John Thain.

As this crisis demonstrates, what our country needs is someone who believes in government regulation. Joe Biden is just the choice.

Posted by: Roger Thomas | September 20, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

OMG people. Sarah Palin a heart-beat away from the presidency in a time like this? A messy war and a financial crisis the likes of which we have not seen in close to a century? Tell me you can seriously say she's ready. What cost winning for your party? I am truly afraid for this country. How much more damage is the Republican party ready to inflict on this country in the name of winning?

Posted by: Eric | September 20, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

It's not here iq that's the problem, although she thinks it's arugula when it's bree time speaking of cheese, it's the lack of intellectual curiosity (i.e. no passport until a year ago) that is disturbing.

Posted by: moylanburke | September 20, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

NATIONAL WOMENS GROUP ENDORSES OBAMA. GAVE PALIN THE MIDDLE FINGER SALUTE!

Posted by: WE LOVE HILLARY | September 20, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Ray,
you are total correct: education , and IQ rule.

Zed confused me with his reviling of fine cheses. some of these guys think its all about testosterone and agressiveness- whereas these qualities must be totally sevants to the hihger intellect in a just and balanced society.
I would advise him to start with Plato and read the romans &shakespeare, and the best of the elightenment: Pain, voltair, Jeferson etc.

Posted by: Lixus | September 20, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I like Fancy smelly cheese is pretty elegant, and tasty. I have had:buffalo and elk meat it was disgusting: I goota beleive moose is worst- you know that sorta gamey, testosteronrey taste. No doubt Sarah loves it.

To each her own, cete la vie

Posted by: lixus | September 20, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

The USA faces many tough problems ahead that will require complex solutions. Vote for the team with the highest IQ and the highest university grades, history proves that political experience has not helped America. America is now in the worst condition ever in history. We need good change, vote for the most intelligent team. In addition, change requires many intelligent people, replace all the congressmen that have been around a long time and accomplished nothing. Political experience is worthless. Control your government or it will control you.

Posted by: Ray | September 20, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Lixis- IQ is meaningless, unless you are an elite liberal with a big forehead who eats fancy cheese....She is plenty smart to outshine Biden.

Posted by: Zed | September 20, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Palin is a complete idiot-like 30 iq points below Biden;
She has a certain appeal- kinda of like a MILF movie actor, maybe thats what the excitement is about.

Posted by: lixus | September 20, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

rtfanning- MY LITTLE WEASEL FRIED

That map is old- really based on midday monday data-printed tuesday morning.
everbody body saw that then. Hey man eveyrbody knows its totally changed now- its been CHANGING ALL WEEK.- MY LITTLE WEASEL FRIEND

Posted by: Luxus | September 20, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a buffoon and an idiot, that's why the media are ignoring him. Why no talk of his dropout of the 1998 election due to plagiarizing a UK politician speech??? Real presidential material there! Not as big a news story as firing a drunken officer on duty? Please- let's talk about who the media adores. Even enough to make Herr Matthews weak in the knees! haha

Posted by: Zed | September 20, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Mc Cain goes ahead in Electoral Votes.
How 'bout them apples?

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/?promo_code=6ACE-1

Posted by: rtfanning | September 20, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Gotcha there is that cold heartedness problem with Mclame.

But I wonder more about the blood supply to the higher cognitive areas of Pale-wpmans frontal lobes.

DS

Posted by: dscreed | September 20, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

after the nu clear bomb we will have nu clear winter , I hope we will never see such a thing and americans and all people need to shut up about nuclear war, and politions should never mention it lightly at all ever. the news made a big deal about silly rayguns talk of nukeing the soviets , we should never never never never ever talk of such crap lightly.

Posted by: George | September 20, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

mcVain would never worry about Global war or global warming. he needs all the heat he can get to warm his cold blood. like any snake he needs artifical heat.

Posted by: George | September 20, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

George:
Funny global warming joke! But if PAM wins:
I am more afraid that sooner rather than latter he will just stay cold one day.
Daniel Screed

Posted by: daniel screed | September 20, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I heard that McVain gets cold on a hot day in florida.

Posted by: George | September 20, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

You are correct Global Warming is caused by over population. I agree 9 children is too many for the McCain Palin ticket. The only thing that will save the earth and increase the quality of life for future generations is a one child per family policy. Vote for the person with highest IQ.

Posted by: Ellen | September 20, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I think Obama picked a great veep in Biden. The fact is that media has decided to ignore this interesting and substantive man for the fluff of Palin and keeps shoving that woman down our throats.
I don't care about her.
I want to see more about Biden.
I am tired of the media thinking we care as much about fluff and gossip and nonsense as they do.
Newsflash: we dont

Posted by: vwcat | September 20, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Palin and McCain have 9 children between them. That shows their careless attitude and total disregard for the environment and the quality of life for future generations. 9 children is too many. Over population is the root cause for global warming, that is a fact. We don't need a president and vice president that consume and destroy. We need a president and vice president that will conserve and repair so the quality of life for future generations is better than ours. The east coast urban sprawl has now become one big city between Boston and Washington. The Florida Everglades are almost destroyed by farms and housing development. Hawaii has becoming like Miami beach (a Condo on every piece of beachfront land) Alaska is being destroyed by Oil Drilling. Stop the destruction, begin the repair. No more politicians that want to destroy our country.

Posted by: Ray | September 20, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

my own son taught me more about the ecomomy in the last 10months than mcvain knows about anything. Ron Paul is a true statesman and pretty astute about how the ecomomy works and how it does not work. my son called me and said Dad this man Ron Paul is sharp, and in fact he is by far the sharpest man running for president. he is actually very sharp and very well educated but the media done him in. he Ron Paul has been cutting this creepy ben burnyaki to pieces and he cut that other ole gogle eyed dude as well. lol lol. people need to be taught starting in kindergarten about how the economy of a country works. trade,trade inbalance,devalueing the dollar, how the fed screws the people , how the fed/central banks work,how local banks work,how other contrys depend on each other, and some of the ins and outs of all this. in fact all the ins and outs of all of it. trouble is not enought know the subject well enought to teach it. teachers are either good at english or sports and that is about it. sports are winning in the knowledge dept. we are great at sports . sports statistics ,sports injurys, sports history ,sports futures, sports comercials ,sports marketing ,sports meds. sports drinks, sports news ,sports journals ,sports creams ,sports clothes,sports glasses, sports sun glasses. sports gloves , sports driveing gear,sports sun protection. sports mechanical equipment, sports mentality,sports physcology,sports doctors and sports food. my god look at all the sports shuit. even sports haircuts ,sports shoes,sports tv's ,sports couches now, sports magazines,sports clubs,sports beer,sports hot dogs and sport cars. sports cameras,sports weddings ,sports divorces now. pay per view, water ,air,and ground sports ,sports music,sports dances ,watermellon crawl. hogs balls and all.

Posted by: George | September 20, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

JOHNNY DEMOCRACY, YOUR A PIG WITH LIP STICK.

JOHNNY IS A DISGRUNTLED PUMA! PUMA! PUMA!

Posted by: SOCCER MOM | September 19, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

No = it was my worst subject except for handwritting- I try to use spell check- sometimes not the tim:
I always gor a in math, science, history, social studies,
Got 1458 in sat- so I guess its a minor intellectual pecadillo

Posted by: Dan Screed | September 19, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

It was 6 and it took he 6 years to get a 2 year degree.

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I do not want a hockey mom that attended 4 different universities to get a degree for a vice president. Hockey Moms are irrational and make wrong decisions without thinking.If you don't believe me attend a youth hockey game you will see for yourself.

Posted by: Ray | September 19, 2008 11:29 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Can you spell at all?

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I just wathed the Obama economy sequence on CNN.

Reality Check at the very least sufer from ADT: He should see a medical doctor, or a Psychologist and get riltlin, all he sounds like he may evenute need brain sirgery, or shock treatment.
Daniel S
Posted by: Daniel Scred | September 19, 2008 11:36 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

THE BLACK YOUTH CULTURE:

FIRST IT WAS RAP! THEN HIP HOP! DREAD LOCKS OR BRAIDS! THEN SAGGING, THEN BREAK DANCE, THEN SLANG!

WHITE'S COPY CAT THIS CULTURE!

OBAMA TALKS ABOUT "CHANGE", THEN SAY'S "IT'S ABOUT YOU!"

MC/PALIN STEALING OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN SLOGAN'S "CHANGE' "ITS ABOUT YOU"

DON'T BE SURPRISE IF THOSE TWO DON'T START TALKING SLANG, RAPPING, SAGGING, WEARING BRAIDS AND BREAK DANCING!

IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF THEY WERE TEENAGERS!

JOHN MCCAIN AND SARAH PALIN ARE THE MOST DESPICABLE AMERICANS I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW!

Posted by: BLACK AND WHITE YOUTH | September 19, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Reality Check! I just daid you had ADT, but I think its actually called ATD-attention deficit disorder.
apploogies!

Posted by: daniel screed | September 19, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I just wathed the Obama economy sequence on CNN.

Reality Check at the very least sufer from ADT: He should see a medical doctor, or a Psychologist and get riltlin, all he sounds like he may evenute need brain sirgery, or shock treatment.
Daniel S

Posted by: Daniel Scred | September 19, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Andrew:

You raise an interestng point.

Democrats seem to fear that McCain will die in office. Republicans seem to hope that McCain will die in office.

Posted by: Eric | September 19, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I do not want a hockey mom that attended 4 different universities to get a degree for a vice president. Hockey Moms are irrational and make wrong decisions without thinking.If you don't believe me attend a youth hockey game you will see for yourself.

Posted by: Ray | September 19, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

mcVain needs to hang his medals on the inside of a closet door and pull the door shut on himself and his medals and concede the race to a more qualified man by the name of Barack Obama. mcvainly has no idea at all about anything to do with running a business or a country. he is as lost as a piece of sand on the desert. he and omar sharif could make a movie called the desert fox.but lets not let him make a movie (war movie)of his medals. we are all very aware of ole johns heavy metal years. they are over thank god. his co star failing is done as well.

Posted by: George | September 19, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Probably the worst thing that could happen to Republicans right now would be to WIN the election. What a mess they'll have to deal with!

And they really can't deal with this mess because they no longer stand for the things that used to make them effective. Oh, they might pay lip service to it now and again -- but it is not what they actually DO.

Posted by: Carol | September 19, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Mccain may be sorry he gave this interview. Things change fast and magazine time is a little slow now a days.

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McCain on banking and health
OK, a correspondent directs me to John McCain’s article, Better Health Care at Lower Cost for Every American, in the Sept./Oct. issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the American Academy of Actuaries. You might want to be seated before reading this.

Here’s what McCain has to say about the wonders of market-based health reform:

Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.

So McCain, who now poses as the scourge of Wall Street, was praising financial deregulation like 10 seconds ago — and promising that if we marketize health care, it will perform as well as the financial industry!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

You are out of your F'n mind

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During Sen. Obama economic speech this morning,
SEN. OBAMA PROVED HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BUSINESS, FINANCE, AND ECONOMICS.

Sen. Obama was asked a question about the current economic problem. He then babbled the answer for 8 minutes. When he finished answering the question, he forgot what was the question, and he did not even know what he was saying. Matter fact, 4 minutes into answering the question, he start laughing at himself because he realized he was babbling, and he did not know the answer to the question.

BTW, Sen. Obama presented his economic speech after Sen. McCain presented his economic speech. Instead of presenting an original idea, Sen. O presented the exact idea Sen. McC presented. Yet, CNN and MSNBC implicitly created the impression that Sen. McCain copied Sen. Obama speech.

Posted by: Reality Check | September 19, 2008 10:34 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain has made a Faustian bargain – he has relinquished his principles to appease the Republican base. He has lost his moral compass and is acting irrational.
I fear for this country if he becomes President. I fear more that he will win and die in office.

Posted by: Andrew | September 19, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Eric,

I admit I was wrong! After Romney dropped out I was forced to examine the remaining candidates and I finally included Ron Paul.

Yes, he has been right all along about ALL of this!

Romney might have a clue about this stuff too, but I'm pretty sure McCain doesn't. The way he talked about fundamentals the other day was pretty scary. The fundamentals are not strong. The fundamentals of these companies are based on DEBT -- not assets and solid business practices.

Sheesh.

Posted by: Carol | September 19, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICIANS SOCIALIZE THEIR LOSSES, AND PRIVATIZE THEIR GAINS.

OH, WONDERFUL THE MARKETS ARE RALLYING -- on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren.

BEWARE OF THE TRICKLE OUT EFFECT.

JOHN MCCAIN IS NO MAVERICK -- HE'S TOO MUCH OF A TENDERFOOT, ALWAYS SHOOTING FROM THE HIP. . . . . . . and missing.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | September 19, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh by the way, though I am detest their Husbands-Laura Bush and Lynn Chaney are much more stylish and attractive than Palin

Posted by: Dan Sceed | September 19, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

2008's a total wash. A bag job. Two democrats running, only one claims he isn't. We'll miss nothing if McCain doesn't get to be President. Republicans need to hit rock bottom before we build ourselves back up on our principles. Mark Twain couldn't fictionalize a better character for this task than Mitt Romney, and so I'm perfectly happy to sit this one out and wait 4 more years for him. And hey, he'll be an ace foil to Obama on TV for 4 years.

Romney 2012

Posted by: Brock | September 19, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Leaving age out of the discourse:
Nancy is the prettiest: graceful, styled exotic.
Hillary is kind of classically styled. Prettier and better body in her 30s by the way than Palin.
I, personally. Might reserve ratty or at least trashy for Sarah.

Viva la difference!!

Posted by: Daniel Screed | September 19, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Will someone here have the avocados to admit that Ron Paul was right about the impending economic peril and McCain was wrong?

And what does that say about you if you won't admit that VERY OBVIOUS fact...?

Posted by: Eric | September 19, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Democrat true colors are shining....

When Republicans bristled at affirmative action, it wasn't because they didn't want women to have the same jobs or the same pay as men. It was because affirmative action legislated the idea that women were INCAPABLE of achieving these things themselves -- on merit.

Now we see the idea presented that since Palin is pretty, she must therefore be a lightweight. Democrats discredit her on account of her looks. Interesting....

Do Democrats think that only plain women with ratty, unkempt hair need apply...?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Architectural analogy :

Hillary Clinton is the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art!!

Nancy Pelosi, is the Louver in Paris!!

Sarah Palin is a Kracker Barrel in Boise Idaho.

Also ;I could imagne Sarah as a waitress working there. The kind you give a large tip to the first time like 5 bucks, because she’s pleasant, and knd of cute, although a little heavy. Next time you go you don”t notice her, brcause she is bassiclly boring
In this light who looks worst for America?

Posted by: daniel Screed | September 19, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Democrats probably underestimate Palin at their peril.

Posted by: Helen | September 19, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

A grumpy old man who can't remember how many houses he has is going to fix the economy, right............
These two are laughable and in no one can be taken serious.

Soon he and his Homecoming Queen VP pick will soon be a fading memory and the rest of us can get on with creating some dignity back into what it means to be an American.

Posted by: DJ | September 19, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

During Sen. Obama economic speech this morning,
SEN. OBAMA PROVED HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BUSINESS, FINANCE, AND ECONOMICS.

Sen. Obama was asked a question about the current economic problem. He then babbled the answer for 8 minutes. When he finished answering the question, he forgot what was the question, and he did not even know what he was saying. Matter fact, 4 minutes into answering the question, he start laughing at himself because he realized he was babbling, and he did not know the answer to the question.

BTW, Sen. Obama presented his economic speech after Sen. McCain presented his economic speech. Instead of presenting an original idea, Sen. O presented the exact idea Sen. McC presented. Yet, CNN and MSNBC implicitly created the impression that Sen. McCain copied Sen. Obama speech.

Posted by: Reality Check | September 19, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse


Our problem, goes like this....

Bush approval rating 23%
Obama, still struggling for traction

Economy in a shambles,
Obama, still struggling for traction

Sarah Stormtropper arising,
Obama, still struggling for traction.

S***, with friends like Obama, who needs enemies!


Posted by: Dem Organizer | September 19, 2008 10:14 PM

Right on Dem Organizer,

Did anyone notice this week how Obama smiled and seemed smitten on the days of the huge equity loses, and now, yesterday and today, with huge gains in the markets, he's all of a sudden serious again. Wow?

Obviously, Obama wants the economy to crash to win the election!

Imagine that, a candidate who would put all your livelihood and retirement on the rocks, so he can win the White House.

This guy need to get a clue!

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 19, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. This is because the special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions. As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.

Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing.

Sept 10, 2003

FIVE years ago

Posted by: Ron Paul | September 19, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Money quote:

"Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

Guess who said this? Saint John McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

by Col. David H. Hackworth
John McCain is being hailed by the press as a "genuine war hero." But is he a war hero in the conventional sense like Audie Murphy and John Glenn?
Or is his "war hero" status the creation of a very slick publicity campaign that plays on flag, duty, honor and country?
For sure, McCain has the fruitsalad a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars , two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service gongs.
On a purely medal count basis, he outweighs Murphy and Glenn, who both for years repeatedly performed extraordinary deeds on the ground or in the air against an armed enemy.
McCain's valor awards are based on what happened in 1967, when during his 23d mission over Vietnam, he was shot down, seriously injured, captured and then spent 5 1/2 brutal years as a POW.
In an attempt to find out exactly what the man did to earn these many hero awards, I asked his Senate office three times to provide copies of the narratives for each medal. I'm still waiting.
I next went to the Pentagon. Within a week, I received a recap of his medals and many of the narratives that give the details of what he did.
None of the awards, less the DFC, were for heroism over the battlefield where he spent no more than 20 hours. Two Naval officers described the awards as "boilerplate" and "part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnamera) POWs."
McCain's Silver Star narrative for the period 27 October 1967 the day after he was shot down to 8 December 1968 reads: "His captors… subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly towards the eventual abandonment…" of such harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese.
Yet in McCain's own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors "O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
A Vietnam vet detractor says, "He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy!"
The rest of his valor awards issued automatically every year while he was a POW read much like the Silver Star. More boilerplate often repeating the exact same words. An example: "By his heroic endeavors, exceptional skill, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces."
Yet McCain's conduct while a POW negates these glowing comments. The facts are that he signed a confession and declared himself a "black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate." This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement.
Accounts by McCain and other writers tell of the horror he endured: relentlessly beatings, torture, broken limbs. All inflicted during savage interrogations. Yet no other POW was a witness to these accounts. 
A former POW says "No man witnessed another man during interrogations… We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell."
The U.S. Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there are no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors. And they're not talking.
Our POWs in Vietnam were treated appallingly. The Viets would either break a POW or kill him. POWs provided info beyond name, rank and serial number or they didn't come back.
Based on these stalwart men's horrific experiences, the Code of Conduct has been changed. A POW says, "Now the training is to give them something… don't risk permanent damage to health, mind or body." 
McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his U.S. POW commander and he "just followed orders."
McCain certainly doesn't appear to be a war hero by conventional standards, but rather a tough survivor whose handlers are overplaying the war hero card.
David H. Hackworth died in June 2005, he was a much-decorated and highly unconventional former career Army officer who became a combat legend in Vietnam. Col. Hackworth received 78 combat awards — including a Distinguished Service Cross, a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and eight Purple Hearts — during his 25-year military career which spanned the Korean and Vietnam wars..

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Favorability Ratings Tumble

Gov. Sarah Palin's favorable/unfavorable ratings have suffered a stunning 21 point collapse in just one week, according to Research 2000 polling. Last week, 52% approved and 35% disapproved of the GOP vice presidential nominee (+17 net). This week, 42% approved and 46% disapprove (-4 net).

Earlier this week, Newsweek also saw the drop in other polling. "Over the course of a single weekend... Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least."

Posted by: GOP-but not a sheep | September 19, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
*********** ************* ************** *********** ***********
Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

THE Admiral SON.

In Oct. 26, 1967, the admiral's son while flying his 23rd mission over North Vietnam, once again fell from the sky, this time landing in the hands of a brutal enemy. He was beaten and bayoneted. His shoulder was smashed and his right calf was nearly perpendicular to his knee.
The severely wounded McCain was finally thrown on the back of a truck and hauled to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp. Immediately, his captors began to interrogate him using sadistic methods they had perfected on hundreds of captured U.S. servicemen before him.

His interrogators demanded military information. When he refused, his guards kicked and pounded him mercilessly.
McCain admits that three to four days after he was captured, he promised the Vietnamese, "I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
McCain also admits that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given "special medical treatment" because of his promise.
He claims he was given medical care normally unavailable to captured Americans only because the Vietnamese learned he was the son of Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific including those fighting in Vietnam.

The Vietnamese figured that because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank that he was of royalty or the governing circle in the United States. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince"and treated him as a "special prisoner."

Less than two weeks after McCain was taken to a hospital, Hanoi's press began quoting him giving specific military information, including the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, numbers of U.S. pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight, information about location of rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.
There is also evidence that McCain received "special" medical treatment from a Soviet physician.

After he was out of the hospital, McCain continued cooperating with the North Vietnamese for a period of three years. He made radio broadcasts for the communists and met with foreign delegations, including the Cubans. He was interviewed by at least two North Vietnamese generals one of whom was Vietnam's national hero, General Vo Nguyen Giap.

On June 4, 1969, a U.S. wire service story headlined "PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral," reported one of McCain's radio broadcasts: "Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of the United States commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.
McCain says he violated the Code of Conduct only when the North Vietnamese brutally tortured him. He further claims that he was so distraught afterwards that he tried to commit suicide. He has never explained why his "aid to the enemy" continued for more than three years.

Even though there are no reports in the public record from other POWs who witnessed McCain's claims of torture and heroics or his attempted suicide, the American media has accepted his version of events word for word, no questions asked.

Yet, the same press that transformed the admiral's son into an "incredible war hero--an inspiration to all Americans," vilified the two grunts.
Comparing the incidents surrounding the fates of three POWs,' who collaborated with the enemy, makes one question why two faced possible execution for treason, while the third won acclaim as a hero fit to be President of the United States.
Once more, Lady Luck had smiled on John McCain . . . or was it the admiral?


Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Our problem, goes like this....

Bush approval rating 23%
Obama, still struggling for traction

Economy in a shambles,
Obama, still struggling for traction

Sarah Stormtropper arising,
Obama, still struggling for traction.

S***, with friends like Obama, who needs enemies!


Posted by: Dem Organizer | September 19, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse


JOHN MCCAIN LEADER OR MADMAN
YOU BE THE JUDGE.

WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain arrived late at his Senate office on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. “This is war,” he murmured to his aides. The sound of scrambling fighter planes rattled the windows, sending a tremor of panic through the room.


Erik Jacobs for The New York Times
John McCain said he had consulted Henry A. Kissinger on foreign policy before and after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Within hours, Mr. McCain, the Vietnam War hero and famed straight talker of the 2000 Republican primary, had taken on a new role: the leading advocate of taking the American retaliation against Al Qaeda far beyond Afghanistan. In a marathon of television and radio appearances, Mr. McCain recited a short list of other countries said to support terrorism, invariably including Iraq, Iran and Syria.

“There is a system out there or network, and that network is going to have to be attacked,” Mr. McCain said the next morning on ABC News. “It isn’t just Afghanistan,” he added, on MSNBC. “I don’t think if you got bin Laden tomorrow that the threat has disappeared,” he said on CBS, pointing toward other countries in the Middle East.

Within a month he made clear his priority. “Very obviously Iraq is the first country,” he declared on CNN. By Jan. 2, Mr. McCain was on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, yelling to a crowd of sailors and airmen: “Next up, Baghdad!”

Now, as Mr. McCain prepares to accept the Republican presidential nomination, his response to the attacks of Sept. 11 opens a window onto how he might approach the gravest responsibilities of a potential commander in chief. Like many, he immediately recalibrated his assessment of the unseen risks to America’s security. But he also began to suggest that he saw a new “opportunity” to deter other potential foes by punishing not only Al Qaeda but also Iraq.

“Just as Sept. 11 revolutionized our resolve to defeat our enemies, so has it brought into focus the opportunities we now have to secure and expand our freedom,” Mr. McCain told a NATO conference in Munich in early 2002, urging the Europeans to join what he portrayed as an all but certain assault on Saddam Hussein. “A better world is already emerging from the rubble.”

To his admirers, Mr. McCain’s tough response to Sept. 11 is at the heart of his appeal. They argue that he displayed the same decisiveness again last week in his swift calls to penalize Russia for its incursion into Georgia, in part by sending peacekeepers to police its border.

His critics charge that the emotion of Sept. 11 overwhelmed his former cool-eyed caution about deploying American troops without a clear national interest and a well-defined exit, turning him into a tool of the Bush administration in its push for a war to transform the region.

“He has the personality of a fighter pilot: when somebody stings you, you want to strike out,” said retired Gen. John H. Johns, a former friend and supporter of Mr. McCain who turned against him over the Iraq war. “Just like the American people, his reaction was: show me somebody to hit.”

Whether through ideology or instinct, though, Mr. McCain began making his case for invading Iraq to the public more than six months before the White House began to do the same. He drew on principles he learned growing up in a military family and on conclusions he formed as a prisoner in North Vietnam. He also returned to a conviction about “the common identity” of dangerous autocracies as far-flung as Serbia and North Korea that he had developed consulting with hawkish foreign policy thinkers to help sharpen the themes of his 2000 presidential campaign.

While pushing to take on Saddam Hussein, Mr. McCain also made arguments and statements that he may no longer wish to recall. He lauded the war planners he would later criticize, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney. (Mr. McCain even volunteered that he would have given the same job to Mr. Cheney.) He urged support for the later-discredited Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi’s opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, and echoed some of its suspect accusations in the national media. And he advanced misleading assertions not only about Mr. Hussein’s supposed weapons programs but also about his possible ties to international terrorists, Al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.

Five years after the invasion of Iraq, Mr. McCain’s supporters note that he became an early critic of the administration’s execution of the occupation, and they credit him with pushing the troop “surge” that helped bring stability. Mr. McCain, though, stands by his support for the war and expresses no regrets about his advocacy.

In written answers to questions, he blamed “Iraq’s opacity under Saddam” for any misleading remarks he made about the peril it posed.

The Sept. 11 attacks “demonstrated the grave threat posed by a hostile regime, possessing weapons of mass destruction, and with reported ties to terrorists,” Mr. McCain wrote in an e-mail message on Friday. Given Mr. Hussein’s history of pursuing illegal weapons and his avowed hostility to the United States, “his regime posed a threat we had to take seriously.” The attacks were still a reminder, Mr. McCain added, of the importance of international action “to prevent outlaw states — like Iran today — from developing weapons of mass destruction.”

Formative Years

Mr. McCain has been debating questions about the use of military force far longer than most. He grew up in a family that had sent a son to every American war since 1776, and international relations were a staple of the McCain family dinner table. Mr. McCain grew up listening to his father, Adm. John S. McCain Jr., deliver lectures on “The Four Ocean Navy and the Soviet Threat,” closing with a slide of an image he considered the ultimate factor in the balance of power: a soldier marching through a rice paddy with a rifle at his shoulder.

“To quote Sherman, war is all hell and we need to fight it out and get it over with and that is when the killing stops,” recalled Joe McCain, Senator McCain’s younger brother.

Vietnam, for Senator McCain, reinforced those lessons. He has often said he blamed the Johnson administration’s pause in bombing for prolonging the war, and he credited President Richard M. Nixon’s renewed attacks with securing his release from a North Vietnamese prison. He has made the principle that the exercise of military power sets the bargaining table for international relations a consistent theme of his career ever since, and in his 2002 memoir he wrote that one of his lifelong convictions was “the imperative that American power never retreat in response to an inferior adversary’s provocation.”


But Mr. McCain also took away from Vietnam a second, restraining lesson: the necessity for broad domestic support for any military action. For years he opposed a string of interventions — in Lebanon, Haiti, Somalia, and, for a time, the Balkans — on the grounds that the public would balk at the loss of life without clear national interests. “The Vietnam thing,” he recently said.

In the late 1990s, however, while he was beginning to consider his 2000 presidential race, he started rebalancing his view of the needs to project American strength and to sustain public support. The 1995 massacre of 5,000 unarmed Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica under NATO’s watch struck at his conscience, he has said, and in addition to America’s strategic national interests — in that case, the future and credibility of NATO — Mr. McCain began to speak more expansively about America’s moral obligations as the only remaining superpower.

His aides say he later described the American air strikes in Bosnia in 1996 and in Kosovo in 1999 as a parable of political leadership: Mr. McCain, Senator Bob Dole and others had rallied Congressional support for the strikes despite widespread public opposition, then watched approval soar after the intervention helped to bring peace.

“Americans elect their leaders to make these kinds of judgments,” Mr. McCain said in the e-mail message.

It was during the Balkan wars that Mr. McCain and his advisers read a 1997 article on the Wall Street Journal editorial page by William Kristol and David Brooks of The Weekly Standard — both now Op-Ed page columnists at The New York Times — promoting the idea of “national greatness” conservatism, defined by a more activist agenda at home and a more muscular role in the world.

“I wouldn’t call it a ‘eureka’ moment, but there was a sense that this is where we are headed and this is what we are trying to articulate and they have already done a lot of the work,” said John Weaver, a former McCain political adviser. “And, quite frankly, from a crass political point of view, we were in the making-friends business. The Weekly Standard represented a part of the primary electorate that we could get.”

Soon Mr. McCain and his aides were consulting regularly with the circle of hawkish foreign policy thinkers sometimes referred to as neoconservatives — including Mr. Kristol, Robert Kagan and Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Mr. Dole who became a McCain campaign adviser — to develop the senator’s foreign policy ideas and instincts into the broad themes of a presidential campaign. (In his e-mail message, Mr. McCain noted that he had also consulted with friends like Henry A. Kissinger, known for a narrower view of American interests.)

One result was a series of speeches in which Mr. McCain called for “rogue state rollback.” He argued that disparate regional troublemakers, including Iraq, North Korea and Serbia, bore a common stamp: they were all autocracies. And as such, he contended, they were more likely to export terrorism, spread dangerous weapons, or start ethnic conflicts. In an early outline of what would become his initial response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. McCain argued that “swift and sure” retribution against any one of the rogue states was an essential deterrent to any of the others. But Mr. McCain’s advisers and aides say his “rogue state” speeches stopped short of the most sweeping international agenda put forth by Mr. Kristol, Mr. Kagan and their allies. Mr. McCain explicitly disavowed direct military action merely to advance American values, foreswearing any “global crusade” of interventions in favor of relying on covert and financial support for internal opposition groups.

As an example, he could point to his 1998 sponsorship of the Iraqi Liberation Act, which sought to direct nearly $100 million to Iraqis who hoped to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The bill, signed by President Bill Clinton, also endorsed the ouster of Mr. Hussein.

Mr. McCain said then that he doubted the United States could muster the political will to use ground troops to remove the Iraqi dictator any time soon. “It was much easier when Saddam Hussein was occupying Kuwait and threatening Saudi Arabia,” the senator told Fox News in November 1998. “We’d have to convince the American people that it’s worth again the sacrifice of American lives, because that would also be part of the price.”

Hard Calls

Mr. McCain spent the afternoon of Sept. 11 in a young aide’s studio apartment near the Capitol. There was no cable television, nothing but water in the kitchen, and the hallway reminded him of an old boxing gym. Evacuated from his office but stranded by traffic, he could not resist imagining himself at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. “There are not enough Secret Service agents in the world to keep me away from Washington and New York at a time like this,” Mr. McCain told an adviser.


Over the next days and weeks, however, Mr. McCain became almost as visible as he would have been as president. Broadcasters rushed to him as a patriotic icon and reassuring voice, and for weeks he was ubiquitous on the morning news programs, Sunday talk shows, cable news networks, and even late-night comedy shows.

In the spotlight, he pushed rogue state rollback one step further, arguing that the United States should go on the offensive as a warning to any other country that might condone such an attack. “These networks are well-embedded in some of these countries,” Mr. McCain said on Sept. 12, listing Iraq, Iran and Syria as potential targets of United States pressure. “We’re going to have to prove to them that we are very serious, and the price that they will pay will not only be for punishment but also deterrence.”

Although he had campaigned for President Bush during the 2000 general election, he was still largely frozen out of the White House because of animosities left over from the Republican primary. But after Mr. Bush declared he would hold responsible any country condoning terrorism, Mr. McCain called his leadership “magnificent” and his national security team the strongest “that has ever been assembled.” A few weeks later, Larry King of CNN asked whether he would have named Mr. Rumsfeld and Colin L. Powell to a McCain cabinet. “Oh, yes, and Cheney,” Mr. McCain answered, saying he, too, would have offered Mr. Cheney the vice presidency.

Even during the heat of the war in Afghanistan, Mr. McCain kept an eye on Iraq. To Jay Leno in mid-September, Mr. McCain said he believed “some other countries” had assisted Osama bin Laden, going on to suggest Iraq, Syria and Iran as potential suspects. In October 2001, when an Op-Ed page column in The New York Times speculated that Iraq, Russia or some other country might bear responsibility for that month’s anthrax mailings, Mr. McCain interrupted a question about Afghanistan from David Letterman on that night’s “Late Show.” “The second phase is Iraq,” Mr. McCain said, adding, “Some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.” (The Federal Bureau of Investigation says it came from a federal government laboratory in Maryland.) By October, United States and foreign intelligence agencies had said publicly that they doubted any cooperation between Mr. Hussein and Al Qaeda, noting Al Qaeda’s opposition to such secular nationalists. American intelligence officials soon declared that Mr. Hussein had not supported international terrorism for nearly a decade.

But when the Czech government said that before the attacks, one of the 9/11 hijackers had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence official, Mr. McCain seized the report as something close to a smoking gun. “The evidence is very clear,” he said three days later, in an Oct. 29 television interview. (Intelligence agencies quickly cast doubt on the meeting.)

Frustrated by the dearth of American intelligence about Iraq, Mr. McCain’s aides say, he had long sought to learn as much as he could from Iraqi opposition figures in exile, including Mr. Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. Over the years, Mr. McCain often urged support for the group, saying it had “significant support, in my view, inside Iraq.”

After Sept. 11, Mr. Chalabi’s group said an Iraqi emissary had once met with Osama bin Laden, and brought forward two Iraqi defectors who described terrorist training camps and biological weapons efforts. At times, Mr. McCain seemed to echo their accusations, citing the “two defectors” in a television interview and attesting to “credible reports of involvement between Iraqi administration officials, Iraqi officials and the terrorists.”

Growing Impatient

But United States intelligence officials had doubts about Mr. Chalabi at the time and have since discredited his group. In 2006, Mr. McCain acknowledged to The New Republic that he had been “too enamored with the I.N.C.” In his e-mail message, though, he said he never relied on the group for information about Iraq’s weapons program.

At a European security conference in February 2002, when the Bush administration still publicly maintained that it had made no decision about moving against Iraq, Mr. McCain described an invasion as all but certain. “A terrorist resides in Baghdad,” he said, adding, “A day of reckoning is approaching.”

Regime change in Iraq in addition to Afghanistan, he argued, would compel other sponsors of terrorism to mend their ways, “accomplishing by example what we would otherwise have to pursue through force of arms.”

Finally, as American troops massed in the Persian Gulf in early 2003, Mr. McCain grew impatient, his aides say, concerned that the White House was failing to act as the hot desert summer neared. Waiting, he warned in a speech in Washington, risked squandering the public and international support aroused by Sept. 11. “Does anyone really believe that the world’s will to contain Saddam won’t eventually collapse as utterly as it did in the 1990s?” Mr. McCain asked.

In retrospect, some of Mr. McCain’s critics now accuse him of looking for a pretext to justify the war. “McCain was hell-bent for leather: ‘Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, we have got to teach him, let’s send a message to the other people in the Middle East,’ ” said Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts.

But Mr. McCain, in his e-mail message, said the reason he had supported the war was the evolving threat from Mr. Hussein.

“I believe voters elect their leaders based on their experience and judgment — their ability to make hard calls, for instance, on matters of war and peace,” he wrote. “It’s important to get them right.”

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Unless we embrace fundamental reforms, we will be caught in a financial storm that will humble this great country as no foreign enemy ever could. We can find safe harbor in our ideals. Reclaiming our historic legacy of principled commitment to liberty will, once again, unleash the innovative spirit that propelled our nation to the heights of prosperity.

Posted by: Ron Paul | September 19, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Remember the frontpage headline of London's Daily Times newspaper when Americans re-elected Bush in 2004: HOW CAN 59 MILLION PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?

Don't vote for McBush and his Pitbull. They are LIARS and FABRICATORS who will do and say anything just to get elected. Check out Factcheck.org to see their lies.

McBush and his Pitbull are the wrong choice- the only international experience the Pitbull has is that she can see Russia from her house. As for McBush, he doesn't even know where Spain is and whether or not they are a US ally!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

VOTE OBAMA--- true change, true policies, true to humankind worldwide!

Posted by: kate | September 19, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Favorability Ratings Tumble

Gov. Sarah Palin's favorable/unfavorable ratings have suffered a stunning 21 point collapse in just one week, according to Research 2000 polling. Last week, 52% approved and 35% disapproved of the GOP vice presidential nominee (+17 net). This week, 42% approved and 46% disapprove (-4 net).

Earlier this week, Newsweek also saw the drop in other polling. "Over the course of a single weekend... Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least."

Posted by: GOP-but not a sheep | September 19, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama needs to fess up to not submitting the requisite paperwork in Texas. I think Obama needs to insist that both he and McCain obey the laws of Texas and be removed from the ballot.

What could Obama have to lose by NOT having Texas vote for the major parties? And he would be showing respect for the rule of law at that!

Posted by: Bob | September 19, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey jd:

Fact: you're about a week behind on the polls. Sorry dude, McSame and Slick Sarah are fading.

Impressive week for old, doddering McSame. Real presidential timber. Start a war with Spain soon and fire guys in the middle of a crisis. Nice management skills. (Does he know that they speak Spanish in Spain or that Spain is in Europe?)

Posted by: GWBUSH2323 | September 19, 2008 10:00 PM

Stoner,

we're are you? Mac is now tied in Michigan, getting real close in Penn., and opening up a lead in Ohio....all states the Oman can't afford to lose.

Get educated, will you!


jd


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Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 19, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

FIRST DAVE DESCRIBES "MENS KNEE'S GETTING WEAK OVER PALIN" ON THIS THREAD. HOW LUCKY PALIN'S HUSBAND IS. SUGGESTION IN SEXUALL CONTENT.

THEN THIS DUDE LATER TALKS ABOUT SOMETHING BEING CREEPY...HAHAHAHA.


Posted by: JEEPERS CREEPERS | September 19, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

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Sarah stole all of Obama's thunder.

This is perhaps the biggest heist of the year, and AIG, Lehman, etc. really do pale in comparison.

It's unimaginable. This woman, what she is doing to the race, is absolutely incredible.

Let's keep taliing about her Dems/////

jd

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Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 19, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Remember the frontpage headline of London's Daily Times newspaper when Americans re-elected Bush in 2004: HOW CAN 59 MILLION PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?

Don't vote for McBush and his Pitbull. They are LIARS and FABRICATORS who will do and say anything just to get elected. Check out Factcheck.org to see their lies.

McBush and his Pitbull are the wrong choice- the only international experience the Pitbull has is that she can see Russia from her house. As for McBush, he doesn't even know where Spain is and whether or not they are a US ally!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

VOTE OBAMA--- true change, true policies, true to humankind worldwide!

Posted by: kate | September 19, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey jd:

Fact: you're about a week behind on the polls. Sorry dude, McSame and Slick Sarah are fading.

Impressive week for old, doddering McSame. Real presidential timber. Start a war with Spain soon and fire guys in the middle of a crisis. Nice management skills. (Does he know that they speak Spanish in Spain or that Spain is in Europe?)

Posted by: GWBUSH2323 | September 19, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama who was giving the key note address at the Democratic convention on the world stage. While Sarah Palin was fixing pot holes in Jerk Water city Alaska. A job it would be best if she went back to.

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Sarah Palin and........wait,

Barry who?

Posted by: independent raza girl | September 19, 2008 9:54 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

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polls, polls, polls!

remember what happened in the polls;

in every single state primary, obama performed radically more poorly than the polls had indicated.....hmmm? wonder why?


well, if it's tied now according to these same polls, I feel sorry mr. obama.


clinton supporter

Posted by: clinton supporter | September 19, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I really find it odd to see both sides bickering so bitterly over who has the best solution to the problems they created together. Both sides are THE SAME, DUH!!!

When in heck are you people going to GET that?!?!

And when in heck are you finally going to say NO to MORE of the SAME CRAP?!?!

What a bunch of panty waists. Too afraid to think outside the box. Too afraid to lose. You'd never guess this was Home of the Brave....

Bob Barr '08

Posted by: Sean | September 19, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Get over your Palin bashing lefties, she is not an empty suit any more than Obama is as the main contender. Is it just because you all think soccer is the world's greatest game (hahahahha), when we all know you are jealous of the true magnificence and superiority of hockey. hahahhahahahhaha hahahhahahaha

Posted by: Zed | September 19, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Mccain ma be sorry he gave this interview. Things change fast and magazine time is a little slow now a days.

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McCain on banking and health
OK, a correspondent directs me to John McCain’s article, Better Health Care at Lower Cost for Every American, in the Sept./Oct. issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the American Academy of Actuaries. You might want to be seated before reading this.

Here’s what McCain has to say about the wonders of market-based health reform:

Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.

So McCain, who now poses as the scourge of Wall Street, was praising financial deregulation like 10 seconds ago — and promising that if we marketize health care, it will perform as well as the financial industry!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin and........wait,

Barry who?

Posted by: independent raza girl | September 19, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

It's time to go to bed,America.Your being awake only embarrasses yourselves.I have never been so disgusted with this nation as I now am.The inmates are taking over the asylum.
Hurry,Armageddon,and take me out of my misery!

Posted by: Sleepy McCreepy | September 19, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

@

Fact:

Obama lead Mac nationally by double digits a mere 10 weeks ago.

Fact: McCain has erased every lead in critical swing states, and in most cases is either tied, or leading, depending on the poll.

As Will Hunting said, "How do like them apples?"

Posted by: Pollster People | September 19, 2008 9:48 PM

Guess that's why all the lefty-loonies online here can't stop talking about Sarah. You see, they really secretly love her, but can't find a way to express their liberal feelings

jd
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Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 19, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"We can't afford a dumb Dick Cheney."

Priceless.

The best analysis of the Palin/McCain ticket I have heard.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 19, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I have the perfect solution that will make everyone happy: Barack Obama for President of the European Union. The Europeans that love him so much will get to have their empty suit messiah, and America can rid ourselves of another worthless socialist lawyer politician who has never held a real job in his entire life.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Nick do you even live in this wonderful place. Don't believe the polls. Mcain and Obama in that order regardless of what you have all been told. Obama is still known as a crybaby here and worse in Florida...

Posted by: Horace | September 19, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the truth of it all goes beyond the Veep selection.

Mitt Romney would have EASILY won the Primary based on the situation 3 months ago, much more-so now!

Then, there is the question I begged for anyone to pin on McAmnesty:

Senator Senile; would you have preferred to have been in a Classroom reading "My Pet Goat", as the President, OR, back in the White House(Or, possibly hidden safely under it somewhere), like the Dick Cheney-Ready and capable of actually "Handling" things?

It REALLY should have been Mitt the Statesman, and McAmnesty the 51Rst Senator!

BUT, THAT, would have required Jet-Jockey Johnny, to Ground his shallow Ego! :-(

Posted by: SAINT-The | September 19, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? John McCain would have chosen Sarah Palin in a nuclear blizzard to move his poll numbers. Because he's a LIAR and an opportunist in 2008 ... bye bye Mr. American Pie. The $100 Million Man has no shame and clearly didn't consider the needs of the nation when he plucked Mrs. Alaska Moose from obscurity so why should this crisis, which he failed to even acknowledge on MONDAY, change his stubborn ways (prodded by the right wingers who hated the Mormon Romney anyway -- they wouldn't let him pick Lieberman or Ridge, do you think Romney would have gotten the ok??? noooo). And Palin is moving herself up on the ticket anyway ... see this if you want a laugh ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMqGPochWA

Posted by: Hey, I am TOO a Regulator .... | September 19, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

@

Fact:

Obama lead Mac nationally by double digits a mere 10 weeks ago.

Fact: McCain has erased every lead in critical swing states, and in most cases is either tied, or leading, depending on the poll.

As Will Hunting said, "How do like them apples?"


Posted by: Pollster People | September 19, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Please Euro dudes, laugh at the country that saved your sorry asses twice in the last hundred years. Did we laugh at you when you were slumping around in the 70s like a tired old geezer? We will do what is right for us, so just butt out and leave us alone. As if Obama is like the Saint and McCain is the devil; they both are a bit of each and both parties are corrupt. Angry lefties, get over it, you are just as bad as angry righties. We need a middle party without the fringe freaks getting in the way. Team America f-yea!

Posted by: Zed | September 19, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

As someone already mentioned, Sarah Palin reminds one of that new car smell which gradually disappears as all the new car problems become evident. Sarah will whine her way back to Alaska after November where the voters will get rid of her at the next opportunity.

Sarah Palin: there just isn't much there!

Posted by: Sarah Who! | September 19, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of economic crises, Obama says that we should be "our brother's keeper." However, his OWN brother is living in dire poverty in some hellhole in Kenya. I wonder if Barrack could spare some change from his millions in book royalties (books about himself) to help out his brother. What a hypocrite!! Please donate to the charity fund established for Obama's brother (see link below). By the way, Obama's brother said that Barrack is "a good Muslim."

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/9/10/help-for-obamas-shack-living-brother.html

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"During the late, lamented Wall Street boom, America's leading investment institutions were plenty bullish on China's economy, on exotic financial devices built atop millions of bad loans, and, above all -- judging by the unprecedented amount of wealth they showered on the Street -- on themselves. The last thing our financial community was bullish on was America -- that is, the America where the vast majority of Americans live and work."

IT'S KNOWN AS THE TRICKLE OUT EFFECT. . . . . And John McCain wants to see more of it?!!!!

Republicans socialize their loses, and privitize their gains.
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OH, WONDERFUL THE MARKETS ARE RALLYING ( on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren’s taxes$$$$$ ).

1) Our economy is in crisis; these bailouts for the skin of our hides rest upon the shoulders of our children and grandchildren.

2) This falls squarely into the laps of the Republicans ( and John McCain ). To be sure one can point to where the Democrats helped it along, but the difference is like the difference between dawn and the dark night.

3) In 2004, McCain urged and pleaded with Americans to vote back in one of the worst Presidents in American History, and McCain knew exactly what he was doing.

4) Now McCain is on the campaign trail acting so much like Karl Rove that even Karl Rove is appalled.

Republicans socialize their loses, and privitize their gains.

AND NOW PALIN IS REFUSING TO COOPERATE WITH THE TROOPER-GATE INVESTIGATION IN ALASKA . . . . . . shades of George W. Bush.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | September 19, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Biden has plenty of experience. Obama seemed entirely presidential today. Calm and thoughtful.
On the other hand:
Compare that the sputtering spinning old John McCain. Fire Chris Cox, the head of the "FEC." Senior Moment? Nice idea, in the middle of the worst financial crisis the country (world) has seen in 70 years and he's looking for scapegoats? Plenty of time for that later, old man. The economy's sound..no its not, maybe it is...I don't know..the worker is sound, that's what I mean...did I mention I was a POW and didn't have a 401k? No No Its Obama fault...he knew the heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...( Uh my top guys were lobbyists for Freddie and Fannie...but we won't mention that)
Oh and Slick Sarah..You know I can see Russia...and I said thanks but no thanks...pathetic.

Posted by: gwbush2323 | September 19, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Dave, then go ahead and vote for more of the same.

Posted by: Nick | September 19, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Wishing Mitt was our #1 or VP on the ticket more than ever! He has a proven record of solving problems and has the background, knowledge,and experience of a real leader. We passed (and so did McCain)on the most qualified candidate to help turn our economy around.

Posted by: elaine | September 19, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

SARAH HAS ALREADY SIGNED A CONTRACT...WOMEN VS. WILD...

Posted by: RUSSIAN MOUTAINMAN | September 19, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dave,
Congratulations on taking over the helm of the dumb a-- society.I can't wait until you wake up on November 5 and can't get out of bed.I hope you keep your gun out of the bedroom.Gobama!

Posted by: Mr.MaGoo | September 19, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to add an "Arrr" and an "avast ye maties". My bad.

Posted by: Nick | September 19, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mark,

I have never watched Olberman - I don't own a TV. Neither do I work for Obama; I was a McCain supporter 8 years ago. However, I left the undecided column when Palin was selected to the Republican ticket. Living here, and reading extensively (note: no TV), I think that she would be an absolute disaster for our country; my immediate reaction was: "We can't afford a dumb Dick Cheney."

Posted by: Alaskan William | September 19, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Like many others, I find it creepy how Obama says that he is going to "change the country" and "remake the world." While that's nice rhetoric, it really boils down to bigger entitlement programs, war on the business community, and higher taxes. I am one of those who believes America is on the wrong track, but that's because of creeping socialism, dependence on government, and an ever-growing sense of entitlement among left-wingers.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Michigan is Ohio? How do you figure? The RCP poll data has consistently been in Obama's favor. The latest poll has him at +9. He's spent a lot of time there and is pretty much sure to win it given the current economic climate. And NOBODY cares about Romney's "ties" to Michigan, certainly not the folks in the factories. You're wrong here. Romney and Warner are both DOA candidates. No spark.

Posted by: Nick | September 19, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

LOOK AT THE PUUURDY FISH SWIMMING AROUND THE RIG SARAH. I KNOW JOHN, LOOK JOHN YOU CAN SEE RUSSIA, JOHN AINT IT PUUUURDY?

Posted by: CHEMIST | September 19, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Warren Buffett supports Obama.

Buffett also called OTC derivitives the financial equivalents of weapons of mass destruction.

Phil Gramm and McCain seem to like structured investment vehicles just fine since Gramm helped deregulate them.

Posted by: McCain's 90% record | September 19, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH: Iran’s leadership has expressed “great pleasure” at the prospect of a Barack Obama victory in November, according to Menashe Amir, the Iranian-born head of Radio Israel’s Persian language service. “One of the Iranian religious leaders said if Obama will enter the White House, then Islam will conquer the heart of the American nation,” Amir told Isracast.com. The Iranian leadership likes Obama “mainly because he is a Muslim,” according to Amir. His first name, Barack, comes from “al-baraq,” which is the name of the horse that Muslims believe Muhammad rode on his way to paradise.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The great thing about Sarah Palin is her youth and vitality. No matter what happens in this election, she will be a big thorn in the side of Democrats for the next 25 years or so. She pulls the rug out from under the whole left wing socialist mindset that encourages victimhood and dependence on government.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:23 PM
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I think Sarah Palin will fade away as fast as she appeared after McCain/Palin loses. She'll may appear in a version of "Trivial Pursuit" at some point, but nothing more.

Posted by: S. | September 19, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

DAVE? DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOUR POST SOUND?...YOU PERVERT!

Posted by: PERV POLICE | September 19, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I find your comments very interesting. Of course, it's all water under the bridge (or water under the bridge to nowhere), but two things leap to my mind:

First, McCain got a bounce from the Palin pick but it clearly was ephemeral.

Second, and more interesting, I'd really, really like to know how much money Mitt Romney has raised for John McCain since Aug. 29 — the day McCain announced Palin as his VP. I would bet it's not a whole lot. But apparently I wait in vain for the media to cover this story of the very real divisions in the Republican Party.

Posted by: McGee2 | September 19, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, stop,

it's really all about killing fetuses, and shaking our good thang, yeh. That's why Obama gets my vote, and to heck with the rest. I want my abortion, and that's that!

Stay cool senator, and we'll keep the baby killing machine alive.

Posted by: JaneDoeRoe | September 19, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Do you think McCain will have the courage to ask Ron Paul what ought to be done, considering that Ron Paul was totally correct when he said that this very exact economic crisis would happen?

I mean, McCain always rolled his eyes in derision when Paul explained the economic reality to him -- but do you think McCain might actually listen now...?

I say McCain is too proud to admit he was wrong.

But the electorate could always start listening if they wanted to....

Posted by: Eric | September 19, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it ironic that the Republicans' penchant for deregulation has led to the nationalization of the banking industry? It has, according to Jonathan Alter of Newsweek, made socialists of us all. Who'da thunk it!

Posted by: lhummer | September 19, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

SINFULONE, HOLD ONTO YOUR HAT..YOUR ABOUT TO SEE WHAT YOUR AFRAID OF!

Posted by: ALL SIN! | September 19, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The proof of McCain having made the RIGHT CHOICE FOR VP, is the fact that the Obama and Democrat supporters are going balistics over Sarah Palin being the VP choice. While most Republican supporters like myself love Obama picking Joe Biden and not Hillary because Joe Biden is like Obama picking Madd's Alfred E. Newman, the Sarah Palin pick outrages Obamanites and Democrats because she IS A GREAT PICK!

Posted by: madhatter | September 19, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Men will vote for Sarah Palin in droves. Sarah Palin's husband is the luckiest man on earth. Men's knees got weak when she expressed admiration for "her guy" at her VP nomination speech (that great, historic speech that caused Obama and Biden to soil their pants).

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Alaskan William Like MSNBC's Keith Olberman... I mean Keith Obamaman when it comes to Barack Obama?

Alaskan William you sound like you work for Barack Obama. Do you think Keith Obamaman is an example of Independant news?

Posted by: Mark | September 19, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama gets my vote:

For me, it's all about homosexual marriage. I really look forward to marrying my boyfriend Danny. You see, that's what it's all about for me, Danny and my peckerwood.

Love you Obama

Posted by: Jim | September 19, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I have to give the Fix props on this article. He stated some interesting facts that are worthy of debating. He even expressed limitations to his article at the end with the caveats. If someone would have handed me this article, I never would have guessed that it was written in the Washington Post. There may be a spot for you at Fox someday after all Fix.

Posted by: Independentthinker4 | September 19, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

We have had 8 years of covert activity by the Bush Administration. Some of it will no doubt be used to subvert a Democratic Administration if we get one. Biden is probably the best for sniffing these kind of things out....at least I hope so. As for Hillary, not everyone "got" her during the negative phase of the campaign -- she lost us then. And it would have made for an awkward General Election with lots of tape that the Republicans could use. Do we really think McCain would be as kind to her if she was now the running mate.....

Until the Republican Party reforms there are no good choices on that side. I liked Ron Paul until I heard him on c-span last Sunday basically endorse McCain, diss Obama and do it alongside Nader and Green Party. Me beginning to smell a rat with Paul/Barr -- is their real purpose to distill and divide the strong Libertarian streak in our country to protect the Republican vote while maximizing the Nadar/Green vote against Obama?

Posted by: cmnsns | September 19, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

PALIN? HOW ABOUT CAPITALISM AND DEOMCRACY?

What's really on my mind is whether our free market, capitalist Constitutional democracy is nearing an end -- and whether naive liberal/progressives are complicit in democracy's demise at the hands of authoritarian American national socialists.

For more, see:

http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 19, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

ALL ABOARD TROOPERGATE INVESTIGATION!

PALIN "I WELCOME THE INVESTIGATION" A DAY LATER MCBUSH/PALIN "I DON'T WANT THE INVESTIGATION" WELL TO BAD FOR MCPALIN TICKET.

TROOPERGATE IS ON A FULL STEAM AHEAD RIDE!

Posted by: TROOPERGATE CONDUCTOR | September 19, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

FashionQueen you sound as smart as Lindsy Lohan but likely more popular.

Posted by: Derek | September 19, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Dave,

Do you work for McCain? Your nasty comments and links to obviously fraudulent sites suggest that you are.

Palin, and the State of Alaska, are the prime examples of socialism in the USA today. On her watch, Alaska has raised taxes so much that oil companies are passing on chances to drill; so much that government could send everyone an extra $1,200 (on top of the normal $2,000). It should tell you something that nothing she has done would have been possible without Democratic Legislators voting with her; the only opposition was from a conservative Republican group that believes in smaller government.

Posted by: Alaskan William | September 19, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Mark Warner’s wife, apparently, is very uneasy in the public “light”. Also, Warner will most likely win the vacant Virginia senate seat. So I imagine the DNC encouraged Mr. Warner to give up his presidential bid. That said, I believe he would have made an excellent candidate for POTUS or VP but noooo……………………….it belonged to Hilary (and then like a bad prom date, the party became infatuated with Mr. Obama but that is a another story).

I never thought that the Dems could lose 2008 but then came Sarah Palin. To paraphrase actor Matt Damon, “the whole Sarah Palin candidacy plays like a bad Disney movie”. Funny but this may play out in real life. I have not experienced such a “Teflon candidate” since Ronald Reagan. This scares me but tonight, the DNC must be petrified.

Posted by: ntrlsol | September 19, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

When I came home from the house party last night, still induced on the ecstacy of course, I saw visions of Obama flying across Washington atop the wings of a giant white swan. Oh my, I'm so glad I'm going to vote for him))))

Posted by: FashionQueen | September 19, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Alaskan William Like MSNBC's Keith Olberman... I mean Keith Obamaman when it comes to Barack Obama?

Posted by: Dee | September 19, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The trooper involved in "Troopergate" used a stun gun on a 10 year-old boy, was driving drunk in his patrol car, and made threats against the Palin family. Ladies of America, would you want this trooper to pull you over for speeding, or would you want him fired? Sarah had the fortitude to do the right thing. She knows how to get things done. She will make a great Vice President.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:12 PM
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If her brother-in-law really did all of the things you suggest, it would have been obvious to his department that he had to go. Instead, Palin overstepped her bounds as governor. You may call that "getting things done." I call it "abuse of power."

Posted by: SMC | September 19, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain picked Palin because he was hoping to minimize the Barr vote.

Posted by: Carol | September 19, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

The great thing about Sarah Palin is her youth and vitality. No matter what happens in this election, she will be a big thorn in the side of Democrats for the next 25 years or so. She pulls the rug out from under the whole left wing socialist mindset that encourages victimhood and dependence on government.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"If Americans are dumb enough to go for four more years of GOP lies and abuse, we have a bridge to nowhere we would like to sell you." - McSame & Palincomparison

P.S. Please do not submit offers on email because "security expert" Palin's is security compromised and "Blackberry inventor" MCain can't use email.

Posted by: GregP | September 19, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's how it went, we were told to vote for him by our professors, and then were totally blown away when we realized that the left with the party dosen't have a mind of their own, and they just totally went for it dude, and followed our lead.

Friggin cool, ain't it?

Posted by: zombie | September 19, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"If Americans are dumb enough to go for four more years of GOP lies and abuse, we have a bridge to nowhere we would like to sell you." - McSame & Palincomparison

P.S. Please do not submit offers on email because "security expert" Palin's is security compromised and "Blackberry inventor" MCain can't use email.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is swimming through the same charted waters of Henry Cabot Lodge, William Miller,Bob Dole,Dan Quayle,Jack Kemp,and yes,Geraldine Ferraro.The similarity begins and ends with the same result:LOSER!
Governor Palin's biggest problem is that she makes the aforementioned look like good choices.Never in the history of modern American politics have we had to deal with such a lightweight in the realm of presidential politics.It's a disgrace and reflects the poor judgment of an out-of-touch candidate named McCain who sold his soul to the right-wing devil.
Get your heads out of your patooties,America!

Posted by: Mr.MaGoo | September 19, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Think about it:

Several thousand students in Iowa have spearheaded Obama as the nominee....really, several thousand college students by gosh!

Since when is our president been nominated because college students thought he was the chosen one?

Posted by: Sinfulone | September 19, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear Dave

Palin's poll numbers might have been just a little bit higher than they should have been -- the most prominent reporters covering her are now her press buffers. Documents prove that TV news anchor McAllister was negotiating for a job for months, while "covering" Palin, before her went to work for her.

You can see what a more independent press has done to her popularity the past week or so.

Posted by: Alaskan William | September 19, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

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So, in the end, none of us really understood the whole thing, but we all thought it was pretty cool to vote for someone that our professor said was the best choice. There, we voted for him, but we don't really understand why...

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Posted by: zombie | September 19, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Please help Obama's poverty-stricken extended family in Africa:

http://www.helpobamasbrother.org/

They need assistance with clothing, clean water, adequate housing, and basic health care.

Obama is only generous with YOUR money. What a hypocrite!!!

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what would have happened if McCain had picked the congressman who TOTALLY PREDICTED this would happen -- the guy who has been trying to warn the country that this was about to happen.

And I wonder what the reaction to his prescription for the economy would be, since he was, after all, correct about our current situation.

Oh, that congressman was Ron Paul.

Posted by: Carol | September 19, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Mike of Atlanta the real reasons you failed to mention.

The reason Obama and McCain picked their running mates is obvious and simple:

1. Obama did not want a woman no matter if she had more experience and could help him with everything.

2. McCain could pick Palin if he wanted. And besides the fact that it is change to pick a woman regardless he also demonstrated he does not believe in gender discrimination like Obama.

It really is that simple.

Posted by: Anna | September 19, 2008 8:57 PM

This is so true...

Posted by: Monica B | September 19, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

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And many other students at the student union saw the Obama posters, everywhere, so they decided to vote for him, as well.


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Posted by: zombie | September 19, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

The trooper involved in "Troopergate" used a stun gun on a 10 year-old boy, was driving drunk in his patrol car, and made threats against the Palin family. Ladies of America, would you want this trooper to pull you over for speeding, or would you want him fired? Sarah had the fortitude to do the right thing. She knows how to get things done. She will make a great Vice President.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think Biden is intellectually capable of understanding the complexities of the market crisis, and able to correct course.

As compared to anyone in the Bush/Cheney administration.

Mccain/Palin?

ROTFLMAO -- um, no. I would say they wouldn't even know who to hire (to handle the problem). (sic)

And "managing" the press just won't cut it.


It's scary when the "experts" are dumb, isn't it?

Posted by: Foam and Plastic Finger | September 19, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

MATHWOMAN Obamaman is clearly using his show to promote Obama. Keith Olberman is gone there is only Obamaman now.

Posted by: Mathman | September 19, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

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My professor told me to vote for Obama, so I did.

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Posted by: zombie | September 19, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Is Joe Biden a masterdebater?

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

So was it "hubris" when Obama decided to run for President after 143 days in the Senate? Why does the news media think that Sara Palin displays "hubris" in accepting the VP nomination while Obama's run for President heralds "a new kind of politics?" Isn't that a huge double standard? Sarah Palin is the chief executive of a state - the most popular governor in the entire country. She has much more reason to feel confident than Obama, who has never served in the military, never run a business, and has never governed a city or state.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

MATHMAN, OLBBERMAN IS NOT FALLING FOR THE BULLSH*T...GUY!

Posted by: MATHWOMAN | September 19, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Mike of Atlanta the real reasons you failed to mention.

The reason Obama and McCain picked their running mates is obvious and simple:

1. Obama did not want a woman no matter if she had more experience and could help him with everything.

2. McCain could pick Palin if he wanted. And besides the fact that it is change to pick a woman regardless he also demonstrated he does not believe in gender discrimination like Obama.

It really is that simple.

Posted by: Anna | September 19, 2008 8:57 PM

Well said!

Posted by: Beth | September 19, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Darth Vader never got to be Emperor just because he's black.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

PALIN USED HER YAHOO ACCOUNT TO CONDUCT GOVERNMENT BUSINESS. WTF????

SPEAKING OF HOMELAND SECURITY BREACH!

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OF A SOCCER MOM?

I CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM MY HOUSE "WHAT INSIGHT"

Posted by: MICKEY MOUSE | September 19, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza, what useful purpose does you "what if" column serve? Get real and report relevant political.

Posted by: Forrest Gerard | September 19, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Adolf Hitler was a community organizer, Ronald Reagan was a governor.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

There's certainly nothing wrong with self-reflection, Chris: I wish the yahoos who have invaded the WP comments section lately would realize that from their isolated, blowhard armchairs.(Olbermann/Hamnity wannabees.) Nevertheless, I think it is a moot point to speculate if the VP choices would have been different in an economic collapse. One should speculate who would take on the Treasury Secretary role since they would be the point man on this issue. McCain makes me nervous relying on the corporate expertise of failed HP CEO Carly Fiorina too much. But, a smile came to my face today when I watched Obama assemble a comprehensive bipartisan A-list of economic champions in Miami -from Warren Buffett to the sensational Clinton economic team of the 90s. And in my mind, there's never been anyone better than Robert Rubin for the job.

Posted by: joneshn | September 19, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

If we had known McCain's VP vettors were the same people providing intelligence on Russia, we would have probably just surrendered. Ignorance is bliss. Both parties would have just put in more damage control enablers of historic criminality. Why won't the press expose these candidates' complicity? House of cards. Better get Blackwater up to the Hamptons while you still can. Cell Phones? Lenin would blanche at the corporate socialism and lobby grease and NSA amok you are calling exemplary capitalism.

Posted by: Jack | September 19, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Mike of Atlanta the real reasons you failed to mention.

The reason Obama and McCain picked their running mates is obvious and simple:

1. Obama did not want a woman no matter if she had more experience and could help him with everything.

2. McCain could pick Palin if he wanted. And besides the fact that it is change to pick a woman regardless he also demonstrated he does not believe in gender discrimination like Obama.

It really is that simple.

Posted by: Anna | September 19, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope Sarah Palin is getting prepared for the vice presidential debate. I heard that Joe Biden is a masterdebater.

Posted by: Dave | September 19, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain acts like he has dementia or alzheimer.

Posted by: cettlb | September 19, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

This is a very hard, complicated problem. Now, say, having had 2x bouts with a potentially deadly cancer, you now *actually* have a man with terminal cancer. And we're in a worse, even deeper economic crisis. As a patriot who served his country, Sen. McCain knows it will be Northern Exposure at the wheel. Is this when McCain evaluates "Putting Country First" as more than a political stunt?

Posted by: charlestown | September 19, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Keith Olberman/Obamaman on MSNBC is not even trying to be balanced in his reporting. Keith Obamaman loves Obama. What a surprise.

Posted by: Mathman | September 19, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

McCains' big problem is that he is a dazed and confused old white guy who managed to marry a beir baroness. And he's only 5'7, so any VP is going to outshine him both in stature and intellect. If an incompetent hockey mom from Alaska can look good to him, then you know he's got a problem.

Posted by: gizmo | September 19, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The reason Obama and McCain picked their running mates is obvious and simple:

1. Obama wanted someone who had experience and could help him with foreign policy.

2. McCain's handlers picked Palin because they knew gullible uneducated small-town high school dropouts would fall for it.

It really is that simple.

Posted by: Mike of Atlanta | September 19, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72,
What's wrong? Got "Flat-Buttitis"? You must be a very poor right-winger-but you're white! Can't you just ask the Repugs you know for a loan to get some plastic surgery and left that thing up? You'll probably still always envy Michelle Obama, but maybe then you'll still be able to get a man (or a woman, whatever is your choice).

Posted by: NeedABailout | September 19, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Today during his press conference, Obama was more focused on the economy and more presidential than McCain. McCain is short sighted and acts like he knows about the economy and "maverickly" makes statements like "The "fundamentals of our economy are strong" and if president he would fire SEC Chairman Republican Christoper Cox. McCain realized that the President can't fire Cox, so he amended his statement (again) and said he would ask for his resignation. McCain acts impulsively and attacks Obama, while Obama consults with prominent Economists, holds a press conference and takes questions and answers from the press. He decides to put the country first before his politics concerning McCain. Today is one time McCain should have agreed with Bush. McCain seems like he's a couple of steps behind. I like the way Obama took his time and evaluated what was going on with the economy even when he talked about it from a global perspective.

Posted by: McCain is short sighted | September 19, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Romney would have been a good choice given the current situation, but it never would have worked for McCain. In fact, it would have hurt him to be stumbling in his speeches next to a far more authoritative looking figure like Romney. Just look at the two of them; who would you pick? McCain realized this, thus no Mitt.

gov.sarah@yahoo.com is starting to hurt him as it becomes very clear that she doesn't really know anything about, well anthing.

Posted by: smiling1 | September 19, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

WATERMELLON JOKES...YOU KNOW WHEN RACIST BECOME ANGRY. WE CALL IT EMBREEDING!

JERRY SPRINGER IN THE HOUSE!

Posted by: DADDY/BF | September 19, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Sarah push for that sports complex to be built on land that didn't even belong to the city and left the city with almost $20mln debt and counting? That should be the new measure of incompetence.

I don't see how McCain could've done worse.

Posted by: Thor | September 19, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Favorability Ratings Tumble

Gov. Sarah Palin's favorable/unfavorable ratings have suffered a stunning 21 point collapse in just one week, according to Research 2000 polling. Last week, 52% approved and 35% disapproved of the GOP vice presidential nominee (+17 net). This week, 42% approved and 46% disapprove (-4 net).

Earlier this week, Newsweek also saw the drop in other polling. "Over the course of a single weekend... Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least."

Posted by: GOP-but not a sheep | September 19, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The odd thing about your question is that a crisis was bound to happen, and Falin would have turned out to be a bad choice, despite the nature of the crisis, unless it had something to do with wild animals or hockey. Biden knows what a VP does, so if he isn't as "visible" as some say he should be, it's because he knows he's not "the man"-Obama is. Unlike Ms. Falin and her 'Palin/McCain Administration' remark yesterday. After which, McCain may want to re-think his choice for VP-you know she knows how to carve up a moose and serve it for dinner! To McCain:Don't forget to Keep Cindy close!

Posted by: NeedABailout | September 19, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I swear John McCain looks, acts, lies like the PENGUIN. NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA BATMAAAAAAAN!

Posted by: CATWOMEN | September 19, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Mrs. Obama won't be planting any watermellon patches on the South Lawn.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Hillary would have cinched the Presidency for Obama, just as Sarah has done for McCain.

Posted by: viejo1 | September 19, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse


Romney? The Job Killing Machine? Oh, great choice!

Posted by: Humma Kiddins | September 19, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

As long as the women are happy..hell I'm happy. do your thang gurly gurl..

Posted by: P*mp D*ddy | September 19, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Why suggest two businessmen as better alternative candidates? Haven't the events this week (and the Bush administration's performance) shown that business people are no smarter than others?

Posted by: nobody | September 19, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

None of these politicians, including the ones you think are more qualified to speak to the crisis, are going to do squat. They are just going to see what part of the carcass they can carve up for themselves and their "donors".

Ron Paul spoke of this crisis way before it happened. You may or may not like his solutions, but at least he called out the rest of the snakes in the grass.

I don't care which other person the two predominant candidates would have picked as VEEP, I won't vote for either one of them.

This year I actually did the patriotic thing and got involved in Texas politics and became a delegate at the GOP Texas convention.

What a dog and pony show. Everything is decided before delegates get there. The rest of it is all theatre.

The only solution is to drain the swamp. Vote them all out.

Heck, let's all write in Bug Bunny. That would be just as real as what we have to choose from and do less harm. At least he would ask the question, "What's up, Doc?"

I hear he works for fresh carrots. Warner Bros could collect the warranties, while the rest of us at least get a good laugh.

Oh, and the background music would be some good classical music, instead of the latest bee bop entertainer who now considers themself the saving grace of the universe.

Posted by: Pearl | September 19, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

you people are sexist for even thinking of replacing Sarah Palin

don't you know she knows how to field dress a moose? watch out Bullwinkle

that she is a Hockey Mom

and can see Russia from her house?

that's valuable experience to solve a problem that no one on wall street knew how to avoid except Goldman Sachs - Hank Paulson he was the CEO of ? say it with me Goldman Sachs

oh one more thing for those who think you should elect McCain so you can Elect Hillary in 2012 are disengenuous and it will never happen because Gov Mark Warner will be the Democratic Nominee.

let's interject some facts here

This crisis is not the fault of the people who took out sub prime mortgages but the people who wrote them, put them in the portfolio, and securitize them without understanding what they were.

these were basically 1 month, 6 month, 1yr, 3yr, and 5yr mortgages

with poison pills in them

they had 5,6, and 7% margins in them

which meant if LIBOR as 2 percent the lowest rate they would have had would be 7-9%

but libor went up to 5% which mean the lowest rate was 10-12%

many of the mortgages were 90-95% loan to value and had prepayment penalties

values of the housing buble cooled off and dropped 5 to 10%

putting a lot of these mortgages upside down

nobody did anything

mortgages when into default making it impossible for those people to refinance and unable to sell because they owed more than the value.

The banks right then instead of sending millions of homeowners into foreclosure had the opportunity to work out a deal and write down those mortgages so they could afford them and keep them out of default.

The Banks and wall street weren't prepared to negotiate or even know how since the asset of those mortgages had been transferred via securitization and derivatives to investors to put the genie back in the bottle.

The banks originally wrote those cynically so that the homeowner would have to refinance after the fixed rate period was over by that extensive margin jacking up the payments but not letting them refinance before by having prepayment penalties that allowed them to sell the mortgages for more.

Once missing one payment and the real estate market going down foreclosure was inevitable. Every time a foreclosure goes down in your neighborhood the price of your home goes down. So even if you are making your payments you are being punish and the ability to bail yourself out through refinance is now not an option.

In addition to this predatory lending by companies like Ameriquest and others targeted minority communties and especially spanish speaking people who had 700 fico's and gave them subprime loans and charged them triple the fees for them.

because the banks, investment banks and ratings agencies didn't actually read the fine print on these mortgages it was impossible for anyone to see this coming because they didn't know what was going on in the first place!

When this problem became evident though the Government blew their chance.
That could have been solved by summoning these Investment Bank heads and demand action.

one simple meeting might have made a big difference and now we have to pony up 1 trillion dollars. Now as bad as that sounds assuming we get the deep discount they are talking about it is highly possible with decent economic growth we will make a profit on these loans.

As far as the Candidates go

McCain has no clue and instead of thinking it over he went to the same pathetic Republican conservative crutch and say you can't bail anybody out and then forced to flip flop the next day on AIG after being told the facts of life. Now after 6 months of attacking Obama's resume now sounds as if it's all Obama's fault. That might work except for one little problem - the republicans have been in charge for 8 years and have added 4 trillion to the deficit and his solution cut earmaarks - ok that means 3.6 trillion of non-earmark spending has been added.

Obama has cool calm and collected and while poltically I wanted him to offer a plan, professionally it makes sense to see what Paulson is offoring first. I believe he knows what he doesn't know and has the right people around him. Romney or even Bloomberg would have no clue on how to solve this.

For any of you out there whom think they know or some possible VP nominee would know are clueless. YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU THINK YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW AND YOU NEVER WILL.

YES EVEN HILLARY OR BILL HAVE NO CLUE

NOBODY KNOWS TRUST ME

I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE FINANCIAL WORLD FOR 14 YEARS AND I CAN ASSURE IF YOU KNEW WHAT I KNOW ON HOW INVESTMENTS ARE MADE AND HOW ASSETS ARE GATHERED YOU WOULD NEVER INVEST AGAIN

YOU HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN INVESTMENTS, YOUR OWN VETTING, AND THE LOANS YOU ARE SIGNING AND THE IMPLICATION OF SIGNING IT.

THERE IS A SAYING "IF YOU BORROW A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND CANT PAY IT BACK YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IF YOU BORROW A TRILLION DOLLARS AND CAN'T PAY IT BACK THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM HAS A PROBLEM"

we can let them all fail if you don't want your credit cards to work, your pay checks to bounce, your loans to be canceled or called in.

You people have no clue, and you never did!!

Posted by: Are you better off now then you were 8 years ago? | September 19, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin and her husband are typical radical Repuglican redneks. The GOP lost control of Congress due their corruption and their attempt to circumvent the law. Palin and her rebel husband prove that Repubs are slow learners. If they have nothing to hide - then due process should proceed. It's a no-brainer: Palin's attempt to buck the system reinforces the fact that Republicans are as crooked as a dog's hind leg.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | September 19, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Biden has become the Invisible Man. Wonder why... Simply put, he is irrelevant.
Palin has ignited the fire that the electorate has been seeking.

Posted by: Paul Webb | September 19, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Romney won Michigan partly by promising the world to its economically distraught residents. Even he can't turn back the clock and make American cars the leader again. Innovation is required, not tariffs aimed at regression.

He also would not have enthused the base at all. He's a Mormon, for Brigham Young's sake!

Posted by: Oleg | September 19, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

hey, as long as these wenches are happy, I'm happy! Do yo thang girl...ooo ooo ooo!

Posted by: Pimp Daddy | September 19, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin does have private sector experience. She ran a small business and has firsthand knowledge of how taxes and regulatory policies affect entrepreneurship. Romney might have big business experience but he was a job destroying machine as governor of Massachussets and ruined health care in that state.

To those who think Palin is a lightweight, remember that she successfully challenged her own party's corrupt and entrenched machine. As far as not being up to the job, morons like Dan Quayle and Al Gore did it, so Palin won't have any trouble.

Posted by: Matt | September 19, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

"I just don't understand what McCain is thinking here; he seems to assume that his comments won't receive any scrutiny at all.

He is, without a hint of shame, attacking Obama for having connections with two former Fannie Mae executives. At the same time, one of McCain's top policy advisors, Charlie Black, was lobbyist for Freddie Mac for 10 years, while his campaign manager, Rick Davis, lobbied to help Fannie and Freddie steer clear of additional federal regulations (which, obviously, would have been pretty helpful in retrospect).

But wait, there's more. Tom Loeffler, who served as McCain's campaign co-chairman, also lobbied for Fannie Mae. Aquiles Suarez, a McCain economic advisor, was a Fannie Mae executive. Dan Crippen, a McCain advisor who helped craft the campaign's health-care policy, lobbied for Fannie Mae (and Merrill Lynch). Arthur B. Culvahouse, who helped lead McCain's VP search committee, also lobbied for Fannie Mae. In all, McCain has 19 people who are either advisors or fundraisers who lobbied for either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.

And voters are supposed to be outraged because of Obama's connections to Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson? Why would McCain even start on this subject at all, making the argument that ties to Fannie/Freddie are scandalous, given his own associations?

It seems the underlying point to just about every McCain argument is that voters won't pay attention to the details. He may be right, but it seems like an incredibly dangerous strategy for a candidate to take."

Posted by: BB | September 19, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I was for Hillary for president.

Hillary was the best choice but the media was intoxicated on Obama's snake oil oratory and affirmative action, so they had to slam Hillary and praise Obama. Male chauvinism is OK to the media!

I think democrats should be having second thoughts on Obama. By all rights he should be 20 points ahead in the polls.

The left wing of the Democratic Party would rather be a "pure" loser than have a centrist for a candidate. All they have ever managed to nominate are losers, and Obama will join the list in November.

Reality: no left wing Democrat has ever been elected president and Obama will not be the first. He is too far to the left of the majority of voters.

Don't waste your breath Obamanuts. I know getting you to see reality is like trying to teach a mule to sing. It wastes effort, and the mule isn't even annoyed.

Oh, Obamanuts, you say you are annoyed? How wonderful! Have unpleasant dreams!

Posted by: William | September 19, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of actual experience or qualifications, the Clinton name is still the gold standard in American presidential politics when it comes to economics. So the effect of having Hillary on the ticket, and by implication Bill's executive experience, is the huge 'what if' of the Veepstakes right now.

Posted by: koios399 | September 19, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Dianne and her 12 kids are own welfare! And her ex-bf used her as a pig without lip stick.

Posted by: U.S. Government | September 19, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

A month later and the Dems would be fools to pick Biden. A month later and the Reps. would be fools NOT to have picked Palin.

Posted by: Paul Webb | September 19, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Just read the comment fom Bob in western New York. I'm sorry that Bob's mistaken the nitwit Palin for a serious candidate. If she's the best the Republicans can do, then God help all of us. Of course, it won't matter because her 15 minutes of fame will soon be over. Bob, you're just smitten with Barbie doll. Get over it.

Posted by: mr.jame | September 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

The Palin pick was a disaster for McBush...It showed that he does not understand the dire straights that many Americans find themselves in and thinks the job is so eay that a two-bit hockey mom from podunk Alaska could possibly fill the position....thats what Bush thought, but you know what? Neither Bush or McBush care because they are rich and have gotten richer because of the mutually beneifical corruption.

Posted by: Becky | September 19, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

An open letter to the community:

I renounce my stupidity and idiotic racism.
I apologize for being a moronic fascist troll.
I apologize for sitting at home doing nothing but carpet-post on multiple websites anti-Obama sewage, 8am-11pm, 7 days a week.
I ask forgiveness for being of no value to the world except to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide.
I admit that HRC is a narcissistic psychotic and I am ashamed to be associated with her and her politics of personal destruction.
I realize being an HRC harpie is not a virtue but a diagnosable disease that can be treated.
I know Obama is the best candidate because of his message of hope and I am sorry I have not seen that because of my lack of intelligence and idiocy.
I ask forgiveness from the international blogoshere and promise to do what I can to redeem myself.
From this point on, I will post only intelligent, unbigoted posts that respect the viewpoints of others.
I am a pathetic fool, but I was just born that way.
I know in my heart Mrs. Todd Palin is a clown.

New AsperGirl

Posted by: New AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama has no experience in free market economics. And his community organizing experience shows. As president, he has advocated turning the country into one big community organizer effort, paid for by higher taxes on free enterprise. That would suffocate the country, if he were to get away with it. Has contempt for working people, yet wants their vote. Weird guy. Plus, he will cut off trade with Mexico and Canada and other countries which will cause them to retaliate. Can't possibly work across the isle. Plus, he's a racist. Did I say he's weird? Oh, and, he's a lawyer. We got too many of them.

Biden... he takes up space. I love when he trips over himself. Funny guy. Worthless. Knows foreign policy, yet has been on the wrong side of almost all successful foreign policy decisions. Plus, he's a lawyer, and we have too many of them.

McCain... I wish his experience was less military and more business. But, he has the basics. And, thank goodness, he's not a lawyer. We don't need a worksmith in the White House, we need a commander-in-chief. Will fight crony capitalism by going bipartician.

Palin. Great! Has more executive experience than all three of the others combined. Knows how businesses work. Family has a commercial fishing business, husband works oil fields, in-laws have a gas station and hardware store. Both feet on the ground. Only one of the four who knows how ordinary people live. Only one who has an economics background in college, though only a minor. Knows how to work across the isle, like McCain, to end corruption and crony capitalism.

Posted by: Bob in Western NY | September 19, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Romney worked at Bain Capital and made his fortune there, but he didn't found it.

Posted by: Gigi | September 19, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

ONLY PERSON MICHELLE OBAMA OWES THANKS TO IS HER PARENTS AND GOD...FOOL!

LEARN YOUR HISTORY BEFORE YOU SPREAD YOUR RACIST RHETORIC... WHITE CHICK!

Posted by: GOD | September 19, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

At one of the many colleges she attended, Sarah Palin received a "D" in micro-economics. Had McCain known this, he would have picked her even sooner.

Posted by: JERRY | September 19, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Palin was electroconvulsive therapy for McCain but the half-life of the McCain Palin freak show is drawing to a close.

From a tactical point of view, the naming of Palin, although risky, was an incredible sucess taking all of the wind out of a very good Democratic convention and the momentum from Obama and getting great publicity for McCain's lifeless campaign.

However, the price McCain will pay for that is the endless second guessing that comes with background checks done on Palin now not to mention his own daily failings to grasp reality.

Whoever was in charge of vetting Palin will go down as a footnote in history for doing a great disservice for candidate McCain. On top of that, as we get to know more about Palin, she really is no more qualified to be a Vice President than most of us who post here. Her temperament is worse. Her lack on knowledge is worse. And that, my friends, is low expectations.

America tells McCain and Palin thanks but no thanks. Palin doesn't pass the scratch and sniff test. Biden does. And by the way, McCain and Palin, thanks for running the dirtiest, low-down campaign ever run for the White House. You both deserve, and will be, soundly defeated on election day unless the Republican machine manages to once again steal a presidential election.

Posted by: Patriot3 | September 19, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

It's always enjoyable to read the worthless dung spewn by the 'know-it-all' and 'care less' class.Biden and Palin are the choices;it doesn't matter if they were the wrong choices.

November 4,2008: Obama 50% / McCain 48%.

Suave Bolla.

Posted by: Count McStiff | September 19, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

That's what presidential cabinets are for... To advise presidents on their soft spots. Why should Joe Biden have to be a business CEO/economic expert, he is a Foreign Policy expert? You never get both skills in one candidate. McCain as the presidential nominee certainly isn't... The analysis of the campaigns in this aspect of "what if" are completely useless to intelligent and informed people.

Hillary supporters are still being idiotic and holding out for the "Hand of God" to put her back into the race, meanwhile the real issues get derailed by Sarah Palin and Tina Fay playing Palin on SNL. Remember the delegates who kept their votes secret until the end of the democratic primaries? If you ask me, they should not have been chosen if they were the types to hold up the process like that because it added to a lot of division in the primaries, just like Hillary did, and now she is skating quietly behind the Democratic party without being vocal to save her unlikely future bid...

I only hope that people will watch the debates before they decide on who to vote for, and I hope the debate questions and hosts will be chosen wisely. This is the most important election possibly ever in the history of the US, our foreign relationships and our economy is at stake.

The financial crisis being bigger now than the great depression is linked to the war we've gotten ourselves into, and how we perpetuate war in the foreign arena. It is also linked into the impulse of the government to contract everything out rather than being responsible for its own successes and failures internally. The biggest problem with both government and companies,is that no one wants to be held accountable for their actions or decisions, so they stall, they flip-flop, and they outsource vitally important aspects of their jobs in hopes of having plausible deniability. Its not a quality we should accept any more in my opinion.

Lobbies, running congress and advising it what is best has also led the economy astray, health care is much worse since lobbies moved in, yet still none of this is being stopped by agencies that have it as their job. Why is big oil in bed with the Department Of the Interior? That should have caused much more outrage and IMMEDIATE ACTION, but somehow it did not, why? because this administration loves big money, and spends our "little money" on big money, yet still nothing manages to "trickle down". that is what caused this failure aside from the religious right's wars on muslim culture. I am not Muslim, but I understand that coexistence is the only way we'll manage to survive in this world, yet still most americans make the mistake of imposing their views on the rest of the world, leading to more war.

Government should have been doing its job, making laws on business ethics and operations, and enforcing the law against business that break the rules, but bailing out private entities to save people is not a role that government should play with our money.

They should have chosen to immediately seize assets of these companies, including CEO salaries and severance and them pay it out first to people with legal/insured holdings in the company. Then the company should be dissolved making way for new business to pick up in their wake. If the government practices this kind of favoritism for the rich execs that failed at their jobs and can't even manage to keep middle and lower class tax payers in their homes, they will grow a lack of trust and support quickly. Tax dollars are not meant to be spent in this manner.. Its illegal. That would be governments job in a case like this, NOT using tax dollars to bail out Bush's Buddies.

How the heck is a new president supposed to come back from a multi-trillion dollar deficit? Its a setup, its handing over a dead horse as a birthday gift to a horse racer, its bunk. I can't believe the level of idiocy in high ranking jobs through the last 8 years.

-JACK5

Posted by: Jack5 | September 19, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diane72, your racism is showing.

Posted by: SoonerThought | September 19, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

SPEAKING GERMAN?...DUDE YOUR OUT OF TOUCH! YOU COULD'NT COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT. SPEAKING GERMAN....IDIOTS!

Posted by: HITLER | September 19, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm responding to Diane72.
I'm sure your parents or grandparents have emmigrated from somewhere. If you go to school you are of the same crowd and have benefited from affirmative action as well. The native American Indian are the only Real American. Everyone else is foreigners by blood.
I never hear any American Indian complain. This is their land first.
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Someone should remind Michelle Shaniqua Obama about her place in society. She should be greatful to "whitey" for everything she has. It was the affirmative action policies that got her where she is today. Without that, she would have likely been a graduate from community college and a baby propped on each of her prominent hips.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 19, 2008 7:41 PM

Posted by: Omidal | September 19, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I could not be more happy about or more confident in Joe Biden. As for Palin, the Republicans get the candidates they deserve.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Satellite images show ethnic cleanout in Iraq

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Satellite images taken at night show heavily Sunni Arab neighborhoods of Baghdad began emptying before a U.S. troop surge in 2007, graphic evidence of ethnic cleansing that preceded a drop in violence, according to a report published on Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/sc_nm/iraq_lights_dc

Posted by: Surge This | September 19, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

LaughingatAmerica:

Not everyone voted for Bush. In fact, not even a majority of us (both times - see No Hope comment below re: stolen 2004 election).

Not all Americans are as stupid as those that wag their little flags at Palin/McCain rallies. No one I know personally voted for Bush. I live where people are rational and educated. In fact, I am leaving this country if McCain is elected...I'm dead serious. I will just give up. At first I thought anything would be better than Bush, and this Palin choice put me over the edge.

Posted by: Get me out of here | September 19, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

The minoreity vote will overload the polls come Nov. white women out numbered, rednecks out numbered, black republicans out numbered. Palin is the reason for this on slaught of minoreity vote!

OBAMA IN THE HOUSE!

Posted by: 3rd WORLD AMERICA | September 19, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

VOTE absentee and defeat the computer fraud.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Someone should remind Michelle Shaniqua Obama about her place in society. She should be greatful to "whitey" for everything she has. It was the affirmative action policies that got her where she is today. Without that, she would have likely been a graduate from community college and a baby propped on each of her prominent hips.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 19, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I think Americans have become disillusion with McPalin. If this is the way we choose our leaders then we are a bunch of fools or we are just fooling ourselves. Sure small town values are necessary if not exalted, but to choose a leader with no depth or understanding the world we live in with backwater ways of thinking is dangerous for the future of every state in the union.

Posted by: Omidal | September 19, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Palin's yahoo emails posted this week on the internet prove that she is a criminal, using personal email to do state business, just so she avoid audits.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 19, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

1. The president does not have the power to fire the SEC chairman. McCain is just deluded on that score, acting like a demagogue.
2. We can have socialism for companies, but not for people.
3. What exactly is wrong with socialism, anyway? Is it because the people might get the idea that the country could be run for their benefit, not solely for the captains of industry?
4. There can be no democracy in the USA because corporations have the rights of person, a legal fiction the Senate granted them.
Now that the corporations are people, they can run referenda and have the bucks and organization to defeat any humans who try to stop corporate greed or rampage against the rights and needs of humans. We humans need a Constitutional amendment to make it clear that the rights of the Constitution do not belong to the World Trade Org, but to the people, all of them, even the CEO's, who can get out there and get someone to sign their petitions same as the rest of us. Of course a billionaire can pay kids to collect signatures, but at least it would come out of their pocket and not from the accounting department.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

This present BAIL-OUT –may just JUST WORK-OUT???...

The present 'WALL STREET' BAIL-OUT enacted by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT - may just work-out!!! AS MUCH AS I HATE TO ADMIT IT - if IF THIS PLAN CAN CONDUCT ITSELF WITH A MEASURE OF IMPARTIALITY/PROPIETY AND NO INSIDERISM-or-CRONYISM FROM WASHINGTON WHICH BESET THE FAILURES OF FANNIE MAE + FREDDIE MAC - then THEN THIS 'SOCIALIST SCHEME' HAS A CHANCE OF GETTING THE TAXPAYERS OFF THE HOOK IN A-YEAR-OR-TWO-OR-THREE AND ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY OFF THESE BANKS PRESENT 'WORTHLESS' SECURITIES!!! 'SOCIALISM' NO - saving the UNITED STATES + world financial markets - YES!!! SENATURD BARACK OBAMA is quite wrong/incoorect when he labels this a "...world economic crisis". Neither is SENATURD JOHN'the-old-fool'McCAIN'S assessment of his "...off with their heads strategy of the leader's of the SEC and other departments". This is a 'FINANCIAL MARKETS' problem - NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE ECONOMY OR ECONOMIC CONDITIONS!!! If the CONGRESS of the UNITED STATES is kept 'in-check' to just this 'BAIL-OUT' +not able to add on 'goodies'+pork for their friends and swillers at the money trough of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT - economic panic can be avoided.

Posted by: Zyskandar A. Jaimot | September 19, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Please ladies and gentlemen draw a distinction between economics and finance. Some very successful business people are dim on economics and many economists have little acumen in the world of finance. John Kenneth Galbraith being an exception who although not involved in business was nonetheless a canny stock picker. Obama is much more interested in economics, and how it affects the rights of man, rather than the likes of Romney or Fiorina who are more interested in how to exploit a niche in the market and sell goods by any means. Economics is after the truth, finance is about not showing your hand.

Posted by: Interested | September 19, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Please ladies and gentlemen draw a distinction between economics and finance. Some very successful business people are dim on economics and many economists have little acumen in the world of finance. John Kenneth Galbraith being an exception who although not involved in business was nonetheless a canny stock picker. Obama is much more interested in economics, and how it affects the rights of man, rather than the likes of Romney or Fiorina who are more interested in how to exploit a niche in the market and sell goods by any means.

Posted by: Interested | September 19, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

My sense is, single-issue veep-quality individuals (such as, say, the current Al Gore, or Colin Powell) are wasted in the non-issue-specific post of Vice President; they better deserve cabinet positions.
I don't much care how pressing any particular issue is, someone who has fantastic credentials in that area should not be imprisoned in the vice-presidential catch-all. And anyone with serious economic expertise available to either McCain or Obama is not missed for Biden and Palin being chosen; such an individual will be needed in the next administration as chief economic advisor, secretary of the treasury, or the next head of the federal reserve.

And it just got a lot more important whom these two senators would nominate to those positions.
I fear the next David Stockman far more than I do the next Cheney or Quayle.

Posted by: Quality Pie | September 19, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

TRYING TO BLAME COX IS UTTERLY HOGS WASH MCCAIN! COUNT THE NUMBER OF THE HOMES YOU OWN MCCAIN. HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT JOHN? ARE YOU KIDS ROBBING YOU BLIND WHEN YOUR AT SLEEP JOHN? WHO WATCHES YOUR MONEY WHEN YOUR TRAVELING AROUND THE COUNTRY ON TAX PAYERS MONEY JOHN? ARE YOU SURE YOUR READY TO REPLACE ME AS COMMANDER AND CHIEF JOHN? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SHED YOUR PIG SKIN JOHN? IF IT SMELLS LIKE A ROSE JOHN, THEN IT HAS TO BE A ROSE JOHN! WE AGREED TO THIS IN MY DADS GOLF CART JOHN!

Posted by: BUSH'S EGO | September 19, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Please ladies and gentlemen draw a distinction between economics and finance. Some very successful business people are dim on economics and many economists have little acumen in the world of finance. John Kenneth Galbraith being an exception who although not involved in business was nonetheless a canny stock picker. Obama is much more interested in economics, and how it affects the rights of man, rather the likes of Romney or Fiorina who are more interested in how to exploit a niche in the market and sell goods by any means.

Posted by: Interested | September 19, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey Shaun, howdy doody--

We tried to speak to your intellect 2000/2004 elections. When you re-elect Bush, we beg you, beg you, no, no, in the name of God NO!, but you did not listen. We in Europe knew this would happen, and since you don't listen to rational minds, we started laughing at you, can't help it. Now you are in one week nothing but second-rate socialist third world country trying to look rich, but with empty cupboards. You want to suffer too, you will re-elect McCain, we have no sympathy for you any more.

Posted by: ! | September 19, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

LaughingatAmerica:

You're right, we are acting like a bunch of idiots over here. But, don't laugh at us, try to speak rationality to us. Show a little class and try to help us with our idiocy rather than mocking us. After all, if it weren't for our grandfathers you'd all be speaking German and waving a Nazi flag today...

Posted by: Shaun | September 19, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I love seeing so many people here seeing and speaking the truth and equally disgusted by McCain's cynical and self-serving campaigning tactics and veep choice. But do you forget what happened in 2004? 2000? The Republicans don't need to win the vote of the American people as they have become quite skilled at manipulating elections. Unfortunately, it's already decided. It's going to continue like this until we take back the election process, away from private, corruptable companies, and into the public sector.

see:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Excerpt: ...the inexplicable discrepancies between exit polls and actual vote counts. Polls in thirty states weren't just off the mark -- they deviated to an extent that cannot be accounted for by their margin of error. In all but four states, the discrepancy favored President Bush.(16)

Over the past decades, exit polling has evolved into an exact science. Indeed, among pollsters and statisticians, such surveys are thought to be the most reliable.... The results are exquisitely accurate: Exit polls in Germany, for example, have never missed the mark by more than three-tenths of one percent. ''Exit polls are almost never wrong,'' Dick Morris, a political consultant who has worked for both Republicans and Democrats, noted after the 2004 vote. Such surveys are ''so reliable,'' he added, ''that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries.''... in November 2004, exit polling in the Ukraine -- paid for by the Bush administration -- exposed election fraud that denied Viktor Yushchenko the presidency.

But that same month, when exit polls revealed disturbing disparities in the U.S. election, the six media organizations that had commissioned the survey treated its very existence as an embarrassment. Instead of treating the discrepancies as a story meriting investigation, the networks scrubbed the offending results from their Web sites and substituted them with ''corrected'' numbers that had been weighted, retroactively, to match the official vote count.

Posted by: No Hope | September 19, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, I don't think the Democrats had anything to do with causing Huckabee to knock out Romney. But, I do have to agree- that's what happened. If Huckabee would have remained a preacher, Romney would be the GOP contender and McCain would have probably been his VP pick. I also agree that such a team would have struck fear in an Obama-Biden ticket like no other.

But, what's done is done. Democrats weren't the cause- bigotry was the source of the ant-Romney movement. But, racism is the source of Obama's power and sexism the source of Hillary and Palin's power.

I agree with the earlier post about the lack of true qualifications this year- nobody has them- at least not to the degree we so desperately need them. We're on the brink of world war and a major depression and we only have Obama and McCain to turn to? I'm seriously scared for America.

Posted by: Shaun | September 19, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you Americans are such bozos. Mr. McCain deregulated you into oblivion, and in one week, your wealth is exposed for what it is really--nothing but house of cards, sham, farce, worthless bits of paper. Now you want to elect him, my God, you are such total morons. You deserve to suffer. You will have to sell your property for such bailout, and we in Europe will laugh at you and get rich at the same time. You dumb ass Americans have your headquarters rammed up your hindquarters when you pick President, that's why you kooks are in such trouble.

Posted by: LaughingAtAmerica | September 19, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I think you are right. Obama took Biden and then went about making it work. Mccain should have done the same thing. Went with an honest pick that he thought would be good for the country and then made it work, sold it to the people. His slogan "Country first" went out the window with Palin. Only a staunch republican, someone who doesn't really care one way or another, or lets face it a bigot would actually vote for Mccain.

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Romney wouldn't have bumped immediatedly, because he wouldn't have been a surprise like Palin was, but he would have slowly increased the value of the GOP ticket and after this week, I bet McCain-Romney would be 5% over Obama.

Palin is a nice lady with a bright political future. Mitt Romney is the most qualified person to run for the highest office in the land this year.

But, as someone said previously- Americans are voting based on qualifications. They are voting based on their own corrupt, short-sighted biases.

I hate to be a Prophet of Doom, but based on who Americans have chosen this year, I'd say our nations is heading for dire straits in the very near future...

Posted by: Johanan | September 19, 2008 7:00 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Please ladies and gentlemen draw a distinction between economics and finance. Some very successful business people are dim on economics and many economists have little acumen in the world of finance. John Kenneth Galbraith being an exception who although not involved in business was nonetheless a canny stock picker. Obama is much more interested in economics, and how it affects the rights of man, rather the likes of Romney or Fiorina who is interested in how to exploit a niche in the market and sell goods by any means.

Posted by: Interested | September 19, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama all the way! Our strategy with the GOP worked- just get the Baptists to rule out Romney because of his religion and shazaam- Romney, Obama's only true fear- is gone from the running.

McBush never had a chance- this is why the New York Times endorsed him and lifted him up as a temporarily credible candidate that is nothing but the same old Bush only with skin cancer this time.

Ha! Democrats are smarter than Republicans!

Posted by: Anonymo | September 19, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

People who keep back tracking and getting religion and G-d into Politics is like mixing apples and pears and calling it one fruit.

If G-d was a politician and is a good whatever, he would have not allowed HITLER TO BE ELECTED IN GERMANY AND CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE KEPT BUSH OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE WITH HIS NAZI FAMILY BACKGROUND!So Folks come down to earth where the problems are for our very existance, our children's futures. It has nothing to do with religion it has to do with corruption in the White House, and you and I will pay for it!

Posted by: lynn parker. | September 19, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

What has happened I posted that originally but have seen it copied and pasted a number of times. So I am not completely guilty for it being posted so many times. I also created the item "The Admirals son" About Mccain that I see all over the net.

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Anonymous,

I mean your never ending posts!
Can you be brieff for a change?
By the way, are you selling subscriptions to the Enquirer?

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:36 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

...and REAL American women- we need them too- even more than men probably. Truth is, most of the very best women in this nation aren't running for office because they realize that they can change the future MOST by focusing on raising their children properly...

Is this a truth or not? If someone really wanted to change the world, he or she would devote his or her time to the children- they are our hope!

Posted by: Gio | September 19, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Duncan, Johanan, and Anonymous are right. Sad day in America when we end up with these two children.

Where are all the real American Men? How about someone with some REAL qualifications and some REAL character for a change?

This is the first year I won't be voting in a long time. I can't let my vote go to an idiot and that's all we've got this year- idiots!

Posted by: Gio | September 19, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Considering his "rousing" speech at the convention, it's a good thing that Obama didn't pick Mark Warner. Now for an interesting pick, I might say Congresswoman Ellen Tauscher (D-California). She is a long-term moderate representative who works with both sides of the aisle, foreign policy and defense experience, plus a woman, plus a former investment banker and a former member of the New York Stock Exchange.

Now for McCain, Palin is obviously not a good choice on so many levels (except exciting the base). Romney doesn't help McCain, considering that McCain has 7 houses and Romney who is worth more than $150 million has at least four houses. So, I might think that Bobby Jindal might have been a good choice, governor, young, financial background (worked for McKinsey and Co., helped turn around the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals prior to becomming Governor). Seems like a good fit (but no mooseburgers, so there you go). Plus, with the timing of the hurricanes and the convention, it would have been a tricky balancing act at best.

Posted by: Trouser MacNeil | September 19, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

As our financial markets come crashing back to reality, we can hope that those who manufacture images for politicians will exercise more common sense in future.

Sarah Palin is being sold to us as the Uber Mother, Uber Reformer and Uber Maverick who incidentally is more Like Us than the Them Dems. Of course, this hype is bound to unravel.

Such a glowing portrait as was presented at the Republican National Convention has a dark side. It's meant to hold up a mirror to and expose as un-American everyone who lives in a city, who has an advanced degree from a top university, who doesn't believe God is exclusively on America's side, who has traveled or lived overseas, who reads up on the issues and on and on.

I'm sick and tired of the politics of Us and Them. We're all Americans, dear Miss Palin. I have sympathy for you, for the fact that you have been blasted into the media limelight, for your having to deal with typically wild teenagers in the public eye, for your decision to keep your child, for what you must be going through as you cram and learn your lines, and do everything you can to please this Republican establishment that has swooped down on your for its own purposes and will no doubt abandon you when you lose. And you will lose.

I think compassionately about you. The rhetoric you have swallowed on behalf of your tutors and now spew--this pat political rhetoric does not think compassionately about me who is different from the people who may have lived in your small hometown. In our democracy, the harmonious co-existence of difference should be our glory. I do not demonize you. Stop demonizing me.

Posted by: KindHeartedLady | September 19, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I was expecting this to happen. In fact, I posted a lot of arguments this spring about why it was very important that the party dump Obama and pick up Clinton.

There are many black swans out there. Look it up if you don't know what that means. Globalization and climate change and emerging continent development means that this is a "black swan era". Unprecedented and historic disasters, dislocations and opportunities will be occurring at a rapid, overwhelming rate. It will take the best of problem solvers out there to help bring us through this period of historic dislocations well positioned for our future as a society and a continent.

One such black swan is what came of our markets and energy dependence and our bubbly monetary policy that we emerged out of the Clinton era with. There are specific reasons for what happened, but the outcome that occurred is a particular instance of a black swan -- a new combination of market behavior particularly arising due to global economic dislocations. In a larger picture, what we are experiencing is a wrenching series of dislocations as our economy was exposed with weaknesses, flaws and few controls, to a rapidly changing (and distorting) linking together and enmeshing of a global economy in unprecedented ways. Our experiences show how global investor money can pour into our investment schemes one week and then rush out the next, leaving us atop a liquidity bubble with inflated asset values, on highly leveraged debt the next week.

There are many such dislocations and black swans forming and shaping up. The Russia - Iran military axis is one. The China - South America - Africa strategic resource alliances axis is another. Climate change and its storms, floods and droughts are another. Our running out of energy at any moment due to some global resource disruption is yet another.

It was very likely that there would be an economic disaster in our finance sector before the end of the year, although the term auction facility the Federal reserve put in place last year and expanded in March seemed to provide short term liquidity options for banks with toxic portfolios. It is very likely that the next president will be presiding over something a lot like a depression. If Obama wins, it will be the Obama depression and he will be a hated one-term president.

The only candidate in the entire field of candidates this year who had the brilliance, the wonkery, the political skills and the network to hit the ground running and problem solve these historic disruptions and dislocations as they arise, was Hillary Clinton. All the other candidates were like children compared to her, even the old men.

The biggest problem with the Bush Administration wasn't his ideology or partisan politics. It was his inexperience, callowness and the fact that he came on the job expecting to learn too much On The Job. Same as Obama is expecting now. But one after another, disasters of unprecedented nature or scale arose, and Bush bungled each. The OJT model of executive governance is very, very dangerous when you are in the middle of an era of big upheavals, great change and "black swans".

The only thing we can do now is elect John McCain now and plan for the Clintons in 2012.

I'm not kidding about having predicted this earlier this year. I made similar arguments back in March and April. I predicted that the there was a good probability the economy would collapse before the election and that it was very important that Hillary Clinton, with Bill on her side, be at the top of the ticket.

The "collapse" of the economy is less likely now, but the systemic problems are still unsolved. Hillary Clinton knows what they are. She had in her stump speeches the very simple observation: our financial sector will not stabilize until housing prices do. She was stumping, early this year, for a freeze on foreclosures and a study and bipartisan solution to the housing and finance sector problem. Everyone just spaced her out, focused on Obama and misrepresenting her positions as they are doing with John McCain's today.

We face unprecedented, staggering change in the next decade. We don't need a politician to bring us "change". Change will be forced upon us whether we want it or not. In three decades, our society will be almost unrecognizable from what it is today. The actions that we take to problem solve and move from stage to stage of the dislocations and upheavals we face in the next decade, will determine what kind of country we will be for the a long time to come.

This is not the time to have some narcissistic racial preference candidate with a thin resume and a squabbling, dysfunctional party behind him, playing OJT president like Bush did. Barack Obama is a man who has produced nothing of his own hand in his lifetime except for two fictionalized books about himself. The disturbing part of that is not the narcissism but lack of functional productivity and decisiveness. There is no worse candidate in terms of professional unqualification and personal profile, than Barack Obama right now. If we can't have the Clintons this time around, we should elect John McCain and elect Hillary the next time around.

Following on their invasion of Georgia earlier this year, Russians are going to start trading arms with Iran and the Koreans have started to bring up their nuclear plant again.

Who do you think they they think will win the election?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

When is McBush goind to learn? McBush claims Barack Obama does'nt plan for our ECONOMIC woes.

Monday, McCain claims the U.S. ECONOMY was sound! Then McCain pops off and say's if He "MCcain" were President and he's not, would "FIRE" SEC Chairman Christopher Cox. McCain if he were President could'nt fire Cox. What a laugh.."out of touch"

Then, McCain later recanted saying "Cox is a good guy" Then McCain turned his ANGRY rhetoric towards Obama saying "Obama is the reason for for the worsening ECONOMY" WTF?

Although McCain has been in POLITICS for 26+ years. "KEATING 5" McCain HELLO!

Then McCain turned his rhetoric on our CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. With a recovery plan that went against his BOSS the COMMANDER AND CHIEF! CALLING OUT BUSH!

I'm wondering who McCain is going to blame next? Maybe the first dude? I used to feel bad for McCain! But as this week came and went, McCain is really showing DISHONOR to his on LEGACY.

Win at all cost and AMERICA comes second?

You be the JUDGE of McCain's actions and good luck! HOPE YOUR NOT OUT OF TOUCH?

Posted by: CHRIS COX, PLEASE HELP ME! | September 19, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Romney wouldn't have bumped immediatedly, because he wouldn't have been a surprise like Palin was, but he would have slowly increased the value of the GOP ticket and after this week, I bet McCain-Romney would be 5% over Obama.

Palin is a nice lady with a bright political future. Mitt Romney is the most qualified person to run for the highest office in the land this year.

But, as someone said previously- Americans are voting based on qualifications. They are voting based on their own corrupt, short-sighted biases.

I hate to be a Prophet of Doom, but based on who Americans have chosen this year, I'd say our nations is heading for dire straits in the very near future...

Posted by: Johanan | September 19, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

If this pans out to be true; another interesting example. A democratic legislator from Tennessee allegedly admitted his son is the one who hacked the account. Imagine the immediate "massive conspiracy" if you flip flopped republican and democrat.

www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9115158

Posted by: Cryos | September 19, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

If Sen. Biden excuses himself because of health reasons and Hillary steps in - How Lucky can we get!

Right now the world is in a turmoiland throughing bobs isnt going to resolve our big big problems of avoiding an all out depression, but Palin, Mcain (as she refers to the combo). a freudian slip of the first order is as close to living death we can come to!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lynn parker. | September 19, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Duncan for President!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Here's a perfect example of dishonest looks into people's past. You hear time and time again about Obamas noble "community organizer experience" yet you hardly ever see this included ACORN; a far left organization specializing in voter fraud. Nice "vetting" by obscuring very relevant facts from investigation of Obama yet putting every unsubstantiated piece of innuendo about Palin everywhere.

Posted by: Cryos | September 19, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

America's candidates this year are like a couple of high school drop-outs- seriously!

Obama has less experience than most city mayors and now he thinks he's ready to lead the free world? We're talking about the United States Presidency here, not the Rotary Club! If his skin were white this guy never would have made it out of Chicago!

McCain is the same- the guy is a flunky that was made a hero because he got captured! Whooptydoo! He never knew what he was doing as Senator and he continues to thrash around without understanding; relishing in the temporary power an ignorantly divided GOP has given him. According to McCain, to become president, all you have to do is get captured and tortured by the enemy- then you're qualified to lead the free world.

How in the world did we let these two clowns make it to the elections? This is truly a SAD DAY IN AMERICA! America- WAKE UP! Start voting for people based on their qualifications. You're making fools of yourselves by voting for people that look like yourselves. Be humble and be wise. Your childrens' futures are at stake! This year it's too late. I hope Americans humble themselves by next time around!

Posted by: Duncan | September 19, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If you are poor, you dream one day you'll be rich

Posted by: Facts of life | September 19, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

[Sarah was Governor from her home state.
Are you Governor from yours?
Clearly you are not, so you are more stupid than she is! --Logic one]

I suggest you take classes in logic before you pretend to understand the subject.

Posted by: u_b_stupid | September 19, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Its sad all the false rumors trashing Palin. I guess the media and politicians don't want any "regular americans" infiltrating their ranks. You can thank the numbers partially to the media for printing any unsubstantiated garbage while not giving accurate or useful coverage.

I love how her expense reports and other frivolous things are under fire that don't even get brought up for other candidates. Oh well another case of where class warfare is used and then the voters and the establishment show they don't ACTUALLY want anyone who resembles an ordinary american in office.

Posted by: Cryos | September 19, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Nobama should have chosen Rev Wright or Michelle future first fist bumper as his VP pick.

But the ones he really owed a VP were all the media prostitutes that enabled him to steal the nomination. Oh there are so many, but any one of Matthews, Olberman, MSNBC in general, Bob Herbert who wrote a sex card column on RC twice a week, Kristoff who called on HRC to drop out in March or may be Feb, Mo Dowd who isjust a extreme mean spirited b**ch that prostitutes for Nobama 24 hrs a day, or WaPO people like Robinson and Colby whose sole mission is to elect Nobama because he is African AMerican and tarnish any one opposing him, Dionne, and a myriad WaPO fools, or CNN and most of their gang; the list goes on.

Best would be to appoint as his VP a comitte of 200 top media prostitutes; they can tell him their collective opinion, which he can then implement.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

It is better to associate yourself with a rich guy than with a pool of poor people

Posted by: Facts of life | September 19, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Additionally, after what I saw of Romney at the RNC convention, I decided that he would not have much to offer as a VP. He made no sense in his address to the convention.
Mark Warner seems like a nice guy, pretty genuine, but, not VP material. There is much talent in the Democratic Party as evidenced at that convention which you didn't enjoy, though I do not see how anyone could not have enjoyed listening to that great music and those wonderful everyday people like Barney Smith, if nothing else!

We Democrats are extremely happy with Joe Biden. After all we went through in the primaries and after, he was the perfect choice, so capable, so respectable and respectful, and hits it right on the nail everytime he speaks. One of the most important accomplishments in this country is his legislation that set the standard for Domestic Abuse and Violence Against Women Act, that is still relevant today and contains all of the important elements to serving these women and he has had to beg for continued funding every year for the last 8 years! Biden can serve in any capacity and has great thought process, as does Obama, and I love his humor!!

Surely, McCain should probably be rethinking his Veep choice, but, that is water under that bridge to nowhere. She is a disaster.

Posted by: TJW | September 19, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Wall Street might be disappearing into a black hole, but the stars are aligning for Warren Buffett, so rich guys are not that stupid after all!

Posted by: Facts of life | September 19, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Here we are in a day of pending economic collapse and world war and Americans are voting based on skin color, gender, and religion. It's a very sad day for America- a day we'll all someday look back on with a great deal of embarrassment...

Posted by: Shaun Hansen | September 19, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

mycrying eyes: Palin is a specialist in economics??? If so,she obviously flunked that course. she left the town of Wasilla over 32 mil in debt. The town was debt free when she became mayor.

Posted by: linda | September 19, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember the McCain's roll in Keating Five? Does anyone care that the "Bridge to Nowhere" is STILL under-construction in AK? Does anyone care that earmarks are a TINY fraction of the budget anyway? What about the fact that eight years of a Democratic presidency lead to a surplus and Republicans = OVER a TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT! Come on... ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE AS FED UP AS ME!

Posted by: Felix | September 19, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

warner the businessman for veep? pfaw. we should have learned by now being good at business is probably the worst criterion for choosing someone for one of the top jobs. biden knows the inside and that's what is needed, as paulson demonstrated when he went to the hill.
as for mccain, he would have picked palin anyhow. his choice makes no sense for anything having to do with governing--it was merely to gain the support of the belching bubbas, the great unwashed, the right-wing religious nuts, the most ignorant of an increasingly ill-informed society.

Posted by: jumpingelephant | September 19, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin has only very limited experience on a very, very small scale that is mostly one dimensional. She has no experience with the complexities of urban problems folks must face every day in crowded conditions. I do not want her to be the VP or president of my country. McCain's choice and subsequent advertising is self-serving. His main objective seems to be furthering his own ambition. I am white, a teacher, a mother, a devout Christian, and very concerned for my children and my country. Please stop support based on popularity. The Bible says to help the less fortunate, not the folks who are born and married into wealth and power. Obama worked for whatever he has - starting with little.

Thanks.

Posted by: BR | September 19, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Tom wrote:
"Hillary would have been a better pick. Michigan, Ohio, Flordia, Texas and Penn. Think about it."

Then think about the anti-HRC venom we would've seen spewing from the G.O.P. Sure, they lo-ove Hillary now that she's not running and they think they can siphon off her supporters. Hey, they even support a woman as VP of their own! Do you imagine that that's what we'd be hearing if the ticket were Obama-Clinton? I am not by any stretch convinced she would have helped politically. (This has nothing to do with her qualifications; only electability.)

P.S. Texas?! You're dreaming.

Posted by: Dan | September 19, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

All, pull out your electoral maps, and rea silently while I read aloud.

Obama is doing well in Iowa, and likely will take it in November. Doing so frees up being bogged down in Ohio - in fact, McCain can have Ohio AND Indiana, if he wants them, because if Obama keeps everything blue from 2004, he can pick off either Virginia by itself, or Colorado plus Nevada or New Mexico, and the jig is up for McCain.

The "problem" states for Obama to keep blue are WI, MI, and NH. Obviously, HRC would have helped there, but so does Biden, without the baggage of the Clintons.

Electorally and in hind sight, Biden remains the best pick. As far as Palin, if you're going to posit that she maybe wasn't the right pick, I submit that Romney would have been a disaster.

All the Palin pick has done for the Dems is deprive them of the opportunity of watching Biden pick Romney apart. A debate between the two would have been like watching Kobe Bryant play one on one against a cigar store Indian.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 19, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Oscar, I find it interesting that you completely disregard Biden's lack of wealth in touting that as one of Palin's "qualifications" to take care of the current economic crisis. According to several sources, he has a net worth of less than 500k, which in this day and age, is not a whole lot. Especially considering that he has been a standing senator for over 35 years. Just something to consider before you claim that because Palin is not wealthy she is the most qualified to take care of the economy, to extrapolate a bit from your comment.

Posted by: Aaron | September 19, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama knows what he does not know; he will bring together the best economic minds to develop policy---he has already done this during the campaign. McCain, by his own admission, will crisis manage the situation. His Rovian minion campaign staff are inept as far a dealing with real issues is concerned. They do well creating fictional issues and making nasty attacks. As for economic surrogates, one talked about "whiners," another said neither McCain or Palin could run a corporation, and another claimed McCain invented the Blackberry. Clowns, all of them are inept clowns.

Posted by: Lou R | September 19, 2008 6:42 PM

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He already has, for over a year.

THE EXPERIENCE MYTH OF OBAMA

I have worked with the Obama campaign on a local level since December and have met and spoken with Obama numerous times. Anyone who thinks Obama is not prepared for the office of president does not know Barack Obama. I don't think the campaign has spoken about it, although there have been articles written, maybe because it may have seemed kind of presumptive doing all this so many months before he even had the nomination, but that is not how Obama works.
Little is left to chance. So here is what the deal is:

Does Obama have the experience to be president, is he ready? It would be hard to say anyone is ready to be president, but what prepares one for the job?

Obama has been getting ready when his nomination was still no more then a dream. Obama has an advisory staff of over a 300. Most all are the top people in their fields. 4 of his staff are the top people on middle east politics in the world. He has numerous people on pretty much everything you could think of from global warming to world economics to energy and foreign policy to the military. Generals to scholars you name it, he has been working with these people for more then a year. Obama is a brilliant man, who easily knows more right now then any candidate who ever ran for the office of president. He is so up to speed it is astounding. John Mccain does not know or grasp a fraction of what Obama does. Mccain is in effect, a dinosaur, compared to Obama now. Mccain has no real practical experience or understanding in many of these areas at all. Just being in Washington for many years does not necessarily make you an expert nor knowledgeable in "Anything".
Bill Clinton said it best when he said,
"No one is really prepared to be president".
He was right and Obama understood that better then anyone long before he even began his journey for the presidency. So for over a year he has been quietly preparing. Like anything such as being a doctor or lawyer or any profession, your first introduction is academic, you go to school. Obama will by no means be learning on the job, he has been in school for more then a year. When enters office, Obama will be the most well prepared and ready president to ever walk into the white house.
He will also be surrounded by the finest staff ever assembled by any president in history.

If you do not want to vote for Barack Obama I can respect that, but by no means think he is not ready to be president. He will be the most ready man to ever win the office.

Thanks for listening
A Florida Obama worker

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"Obama knows what he does not know", so he will claim to be Socrates!

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Biden actually has been pretty good on economics.

The real loser is Palin. McCain picked someone without experience because he has difficulty in dealing with people. He could never have picked Romney.

Posted by: Bill | September 19, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama knows what he does not know; he will bring together the best economic minds to develop policy---he has already done this during the campaign. McCain, by his own admission, will crisis manage the situation. His Rovian minion campaign staff are inept as far a dealing with real issues is concerned. They do well creating fictional issues and making nasty attacks. As for economic surrogates, one talked about "whiners," another said neither McCain or Palin could run a corporation, and another claimed McCain invented the Blackberry. Clowns, all of them are inept clowns.

Posted by: Lou R | September 19, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is so desperate you may be right just in the same way he picked Palin in the first place. I more saw it this way though.
REMEMBER SPIRO AGNEW?

Am I the only one who sees what is going on here with Palin? We all know she has no qualifications and she was just picked as window dressing and as a stooge to say what ever they put in her mouth. No candidate in their right mind would really want her on their ticket. This is what I think will happen and may already be secretly in the plan.

If Mccain manages to get elected, they will get rid of Palin as soon as they can, using all of the scandal surrounding her as the reason. There is already information of drug use by her son and both daughters and Enquirer has eluded to something coming out about Palin and her husband are regular drug users. Once rid of her, Mcain then will put in Lieberman like he wanted to all along and that is how it will play out. What do you think, make sense?

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REPEAT OF PREDICTION: ROMNEY TO REPLACE SARAH BARRACUDA


Chris,

As I said in an earlier post to your blog today, I predict Mitt Romney WILL be McCain's veepee, once Sarah Palin is forced to resign as she becomes a major drag on the ticket and finds her candidacy awash in family and political scandal.

But what's really on my mind is whether our free market, capitalist Constitutional democracy is nearing an end -- and whether naive liberal/progressives are complicit in democracy's demise at the hands of authoritarian American national socialists.

For more, see:

http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 19, 2008 6:38

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

It is so sad that most of American is so uneducated to realize that Obama is nothing but a Puppet of Pelosi and Reid, true heads of the Democratic party and the individuals responsible for blocking legislation that could have prevented the financial meltdown.

The need is not to Vote for Obama, and not to vote for the current congressional democratic leadership. They are truly destroying our country.

Posted by: Anything But Obomination | September 19, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza looks like a character our from The Godfather!

Posted by: Facts of life | September 19, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't think a President needs to have himself or in his Vice President an "expert" on the economy. If that is a criteria, he/she would need a VP for all of the other issues, education, health care, etc. That is why the President has a Cabinet and advisors.

What is more important is with whom the President surrounds him/herself as advisors and as a Cabinet. Additionally, it certainly helps to have both the President and the Vice President with an education, preferably advanced education, that has helped them to learn how to think, problem solve, and know how to use resources to get a job done, after careful and temperate thought process and planning with his/her team.

In this respect, McCain has selected a VP with no expertise in anything except shooting off her mouth. His campaign is replete with people who are experts at deception and distortion and the corrupt ideology of "anything to win". His surrogates are steeped in denial almost to the point of psychotic breaks with reality. And, he, himself, in addition to being devoid of any concern for the issues, struts and lies and says whatever comes into his head, too, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. Every day he trashes something and somebody and he has no solutions to anything. In that regard, he has the perfect partner. The two of them are the most divisive, negative, empty headed, shallow, and most insulting pair of politician ever. They are not even good politicians, much less do they demonstrate any desire or ability to govern with, through, or for others.

Posted by: TJW | September 19, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

REPEAT OF PREDICTION: ROMNEY TO REPLACE SARAH BARRACUDA


Chris,

As I said in an earlier post to your blog today, I predict Mitt Romney WILL be McCain's veepee, once Sarah Palin is forced to resign as she becomes a major drag on the ticket and finds her candidacy awash in family and political scandal.

But what's really on my mind is whether our free market, capitalist Constitutional democracy is nearing an end -- and whether naive liberal/progressives are complicit in democracy's demise at the hands of authoritarian American national socialists.

For more, see:

http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 19, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Leave to Cilliza to raise a stupid question? What was then is then? What matters is now and tomorrow.

Posted by: Peter | September 19, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

I mean your never ending posts!
Can you be brieff for a change?
By the way, are you selling subscriptions to the Enquirer?

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Biden is more concerned with his looks than with America's problems

Posted by: Facts of life | September 19, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama knew enough many months ago, to propose better oversight. He may not have the credentials you seem to think are necessary yet the wealthy business types you cite certainly did not raise flags. I am thinking that Obama has the larger intellect to grasp problems long before we are forced to react to them.

Posted by: Rich Rosenthal | September 19, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse


If you are referring to the Enquirer article the fact is, people do read it. 3 million a week buy it on the stands and we con only guess how many read the headlines as they check out or flip through it in line. Like it of not it is powerful and there is a lot more to come out about current drug use by Palin and her Husband and hookers. Todd does more then fish on the cold winter nights. Enquirer has been up there spreading money around and people are talking. So here it is again in case nyone missed it.

=======
Anonymous,
Stop posting trash nobody reads!

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:23 PM


------------

FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S, THEY NOW BRINGS YOU: "TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.


The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!


Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Not sure the Biden pick should be revisited. He does have experience in DC but does not live there. It shows that he does have his feet on the ground. He is a good balance for the Obama ticket for his experience in Foreign Policy.

Palin is a different question. As Mayor and Gov she should have some econ understanding, however her official decisions in office are suspect. A good example is the mess she made of the Dairy Maid plant. Her "trial and error" management style is not what we need.

As for the bump in the polls, so what? McCain told us last year he would pick someone with a strong econ background to balance his ticket, then he ended up with Palin? He has not only lost our respect for his first "presidential" decision, but he can hardly seek her expert opinion on any subject.

No wonder he calls her a soulmate and not a helpmate.

Posted by: Kathy | September 19, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah was Governor from her home state.
Are you Governor from yours?
Clearly you are not, so you are more stupid than she is!

Posted by: Logic one | September 19, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden knows his stuff and was making great, thoughtful, intelligent speeches; but his own candidacy never caught on...which says something. It's just too bad republicans didn't "go first" w/ pailin or Obama would've realized how much he needs Hillary. Are repub conventions always "last"?? seems they get more lasting "bounce" and the last word "conventionally" speaking. hope we learn everything we need to know about pailin asap...not after Nov...

Posted by: no names pls | September 19, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

So what if Joe Biden likes other peoples speeches so much he gives them and pretends he wrote them? What does his plagarism have to do with his ability to screw the market up even further?

cmsix

Posted by: cmsix | September 19, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's what is being emailed around:

Subject: Fw: Action Alert from DNC MOST DISTURBING!!!

I don't know if this is true or not. It came from the former Co-chairman of the Texas Republican Party, Jocelyn Straus and her son, Texas Congressman Joe Straus III.


Subject: FW: ACTION ALERT: info from DNC


Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: ACTION ALERT: info from DNC

This is all America needs. Please warn your friends.

hi all
let me share some info with you that i have gotten from excellent sources within the DNC:

On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems,
and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2.

there have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. generally, the feeling
is that we should all go ahead and get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email
lists as is possible. i have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the "health problem"
cited in those articles was aneurysm. probably many of you have heard the same rumblings.
however, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this obama strategy will be a go. therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this obama maneuv er, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is.

so, let's start mixing this one up and cut the obamaites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post about it on websites and blogs - etc etc

if you have any thoughts or questions about this, please be in touch.

lastly, i have put an excerpt from Rudy's speech at the RNC below - it seems to address this
very issue!!

yours in the fight,

excerpt from R.Giuliani's speech at the 2008 RNC:
"Obama — Obama promised to take public financing for his campaign, until he broke his promise.
Obama — Obama was against wiretapping before he voted for it.
When speaking to a pro-Israeli group, Obama favored an undivided Jerusalem, like I favor and like John McCain favored. Well, he favored an undivided Jerusalem — don't get too excited — for one day, until he changed his mind.
Well, I'll tell you, if I were Joe Biden, I'd want to get that V.P. thing in writing."

Posted by: The Wizard | September 19, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Would Romney be the VP pick for McCain if the market crisis had hit a few weeks earlier? You could a good case for it.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: mpp | September 19, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

what? you're implying that st john didn't anoint miss sarah -- the queen bee of alaskan welfare queens -- because she was the most prepared and qualified candidate out there...

Posted by: linda | September 19, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,
Stop posting trash nobody reads!

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/also-will-call-for-democratization.html

Thursday, September 18, 2008
Palin Announces Palin/McCain Ticket: Ambition, Inexperience First

From ABC News:

"Uh-oh.

Gov. Sarah Palin is now talking about "a Palin and McCain administration."

Hilarious if it wasn't so frightening. The kind of slip made by a very young person whose ambitious fantasies all-too-easily break through her manifest inability to think before talking.

Incidentally, this has been her MO all along. From the New Yorker:

"Palin’s record as the mayor of Wasilla, a town forty miles north of Anchorage, told a somewhat different story. According to “Sarah,” a biography by Kaylene Johnson, Palin had got into politics after she befriended the man who was then mayor and his police chief at a step-aerobics class. She made them her allies and ran for City Council. Then she challenged them for control of City Hall, and drove them out. As she purged her former friends and patrons, she denounced them as “good ol’ boys,” although her takeover of Wasilla had been aided from the start by Alaska’s Republican Party establishment."

Impulsivity, an utter lack of reflectiveness and lack of basic knowledge combines with driving and unconsidered ambition to create a youthful, thoughtless grandiosity in reaction to the overwhelming whirl.

A dangerous combination at a time when wisdom, knowledge and reflectiveness are truly a necessity for our nation and our future.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/also-will-call-for-democratization.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Poor people are like rich people without money

Posted by: Facts of life | September 19, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Time has proven that rich people are better equiped to solve economic problems than poor people

Posted by: Facts of life | September 19, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin's 15 minutes are up...


Go back to Alaska you corrupt pathological serial liar!

Posted by: Rene Lee | September 19, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,
Stop posting trash nobody reads!

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain chose well, if you look at the big picture. I know people underestimate her, but she has run a small personal business, small town, and a state government, the other 3 have not. Does she have all the answers for this huge financial problem, not entirely, but she is the closest to what we as people are going through.(she is not wealthy) Notably she is a person of action, and I think she and McCain will identify the problems and hold people accountable. Romney was too political!

Posted by: Oscar | September 19, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

But running a business is nothing like running a country. Carly Fiorina told us so.

Posted by: TRBoston | September 19, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

There is a heinous crime committed on the american people. The economic mess is the crime of the century.

We have to give it to Sen. Obama, Acting immediately, he presented in his press conference a police line up of the culprits headed by a certain Robert Rubin. this is the gang responsible for this heinous crime.

Sen. Obama earned my vote.

Posted by: tim591 | September 19, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I doubt Mccain knew anything about this stuff. It matters. My wife was at her churches thrift store today and those women read that stuff. Or at least see it on the stand as they check out. None of these ladies will be voting for Mccain now and I can tell you they were all voting for Mccain only a few weeks ago. My wife and I were the only Obama voters. I also know a number of jewish people, (Iive in south Florida) who will not vote for the ticket with Palin on it. He lost their votes. Some even say Palin is a Jew hater and that is really going around in the jewish community in Florida. . Palin may single handedly lost this election for Mccain if he was ever going to win anyway.


FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S, THEY NOW BRINGS YOU: "TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.


The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Probably Obama would be better off with his poor brother by his side, solving his family problems!

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

With it fairly established that a $26 million dollar 'road to nowhere' was authorized by Sarah Palin, despite protests that shelving the 'bridge to nowhere' made the road irrelevant, why is nobody asking Palin about it?

How does Sarah Palin have any credibility anymore, let alone credibility to talk about economic issues?

If you want to read about that pesky 'road,' it's at:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/palins-26-embarrassmentthe-road-to.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 19, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

VPs are like bell boys, you see them, well dressed, you know they are always there, but you don't ask them important questions or expect them to solve major problems!

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

CC: "For Obama, it's likely that more pressure would have been brought to bear on former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner ... a successful businessman ... becoming a multimillionaire in the process."

Chris, are you insane? The current administration is under fire for bailing out the country's richest financial tycoons, and you think Obama would be better off with a multimillionaire businessman at his side?

Posted by: Tom T. | September 19, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

arrr, matey. thems hard decisions

Posted by: readhead | September 19, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

Your repeated posting of the same comment only makes readers notice your use of "should of" for "should've", which is a contraction for "should have".

Posted by: tharriso | September 19, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama... 9.9 million from the investment banks(# 2 in contributions from freddie and fannie Mae, #1 from Lehman )
Biden.... #1 in contributions from the Credit card industry.


yeah, change sure...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The Palin pick was just a gimmick, anyone who says otherwise is just lying. The problem like a guy in a poker game who bluffs. You can't keep getting away with it. Mccain has blown his wad and now the gimmick can't last to November. Mccain is just stuck with Palin around his neck.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

It's so typical of the Americans to expect a SUPERMAN to run for President. There is noone on the planet that knows everything about everything which I why they pick VP's and Cabinets of specialists to provide capable and knowledgeable assistance to wade through this stuff.
So you can criticise all you like - Palin is way too green and already "knows" way too much although knowing only a little and she gives off the appearance of being resistant to outside intelligence. Obama has had the foresight to pick someone who will help with the balance of his party and is so obviously willing to listen and discuss.

Posted by: Rosie | September 19, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

What this crisis has proven is that VPs are irrelevant for serious matters!

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Woulda shoulda coulda.

Posted by: Danny | September 19, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Your question is irrelevant!
Have you seen Cheney around this days?
Thank God, Bernananke and Paulson have enough independence and tools to restore confidence without needing Bush or Cheney to cuncil them.

The relevant question is: should they remain in their posts no matter who wins?

The anticipated answer is: YES!

They won't be waiting from instructions from Obama or MacCain to respond to future crisis!

Posted by: Caronte | September 19, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

This column is too much afflicted with the phony "fair and balanced" syndrome. While Biden is not in the class of Paul Volker as an economic mind, the fact that Biden is a long time Senator from Delaware, one of the most business oriented of states, certainly gives him a leg up on the average Senator. In fact Biden is derided as (D, MNBA) sometimes.

By comparison, McCain (who is still reading the economics text book by Greenspan apparently) and even worse Palin are no matches for Biden as an economy expert. Sure Obama could have picked better, but it's hard to see how McCain could have picked worse on the issue of the economy.

Posted by: Thread Theorist | September 19, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

And if this all had happened even earlier, back during the primary season, it is entirely possible that it would have improved the chances of Ms. Clinton to have won the nomination, due to the memory of such a sound economy during Mr. Clinton's tenure.

Posted by: tharriso | September 19, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Clearly. Who's to say Romney would have been the choice. However, I'm willing to bet McCain would have chosen someone who had spent just as many years attending just as many colleges as Palin did, but coming away with two or three more degrees than she did.

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 19, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Its true both Candidates didnt choose the right Veep. McCain should of picked Huckabee, or at least gave the nomination to him, seeing how McCain is ill equiped for the Job. Obama should of picked hillary but he is to arrogent to think that he might need her. I am still praying for a shake up. I dont like either of the candidates. I like the Veeps much more. research the veeps scandals and back ground and you will feel the same. These Veeps are more qualified then the candiates them selves, yet they all seem to lack the presidentail quality.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Like Biden said, Hillary would have been a better pick. Michigan, Ohio, Flordia, Texas and Penn. Think about it.

Posted by: Tom | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah Sarah...

"when Chaffee called you a cuckoo whacko...

well...it wasn't a compliment"


"oh...it wasn't?"

"No ...uhm so you might want to reign it in a little"

"okee"

"didn't you like the fist wave in the air as I said Iran though...pretty bad a$$ huh?"

"uh huh...listen and it's n-uc-le-ar"
"oh gosh that's what I said like the honorable President Bush...Nukular"

"uh no....nononono...Nu kle arhhh"

"Nnnuuuukkkullleeaarhhh"

the aide stares...

"good ...goood enough"

"you know I can see Rush..."

"yeah yeah we know from your house(ugh)"

"and I could almost see Iran if the 'first dude' had taken down that big dutch elm in the side yard"

the aide quits.

Posted by: dl | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Its true both Candidates didnt choose the right Veep. McCain should of picked Huckabee, or at least gave the nomination to him, seeing how McCain is ill equiped for the Job. Obama should of picked hillary but he is to arrogent to think that he might need her. I am still praying for a shake up. I dont like either of the candidates. I like the Veeps much more. research the veeps scandals and back ground and you will feel the same. These Veeps are more qualified then the candiates them selves, yet they all seem to lack the presidentail quality.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Its true both Candidates didnt choose the right Veep. McCain should of picked Huckabee, or at least gave the nomination to him, seeing how McCain is ill equiped for the Job. Obama should of picked hillary but he is to arrogent to think that he might need her. I am still praying for a shake up. I dont like either of the candidates. I like the Veeps much more. research the veeps scandals and back ground and you will feel the same. These Veeps are more qualified then the candiates them selves, yet they all seem to lack the presidentail quality.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Its true both Candidates didnt choose the right Veep. McCain should of picked Huckabee, or at least gave the nomination to him, seeing how McCain is ill equiped for the Job. Obama should of picked hillary but he is to arrogent to think that he might need her. I am still praying for a shake up. I dont like either of the candidates. I like the Veeps much more. research the veeps scandals and back ground and you will feel the same. These Veeps are more qualified then the candiates them selves, yet they all seem to lack the presidentail quality.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Clearly. Who's to say Romney would have been the choice. However, I'm willing to bet McCain would have chosen someone who had spent just as many years attending just as many colleges as Palin did, but coming away with two or three more degrees than she did.

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Clearly. Who's to say Romney would have been the choice. However, I'm willing to bet McCain would have chosen someone who had spent just as many years attending just as many colleges as Palin did, but coming away with two or three more degrees than she did.

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin took 9 days to implode:

(From Daily Kos / Research 2000 tracking poll)/ Sept. 11 to Sept. 19

PERCENT GIVING PALIN A POSITIVE RATING:
52 / 51 / 49 / 47 / 47 / 45 / 44 / 42 / 41

NEGATIVE:
35 / 37 / 40 / 42 / 43 / 44 / 45 / 46 / 46

Posted by: abt | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Its true both Candidates didnt choose the right Veep. McCain should of picked Huckabee, or at least gave the nomination to him, seeing how McCain is ill equiped for the Job. Obama should of picked hillary but he is to arrogent to think that he might need her. I am still praying for a shake up. I dont like either of the candidates. I like the Veeps much more. research the veeps scandals and back ground and you will feel the same. These Veeps are more qualified then the candiates them selves, yet they all seem to lack the presidentail quality.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

How's Bain Capital doing in the market these days? Coupled with the claim of Romney's business expertise, comes the reality that he made his money doing leveraged buyouts and private equity deals. While he could clearly speak with far more expertise on the financial crisis, his history of making tens of millions of dollars doing such deals would likely not sit well with the middle class voters that are living paycheck to paycheck.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's just say this is fascinating only up to a point, given that no Vice Presidential nominee in almost half a century appears to have had much impact on the Presidential election, and that this is the subject of all this speculation.

The Post today describes a response to the market meltdown being devised by the Treasury Secretary, the head of the Fed, and the head of the New York Fed -- no Vice President, or for that matter President, in sight. Other things being equal it would be desirable to have someone in the Oval Office who understood a little about the economy, but as a practical matter no administration responds to crises in the markets by sending the Vice President into action.

As to the election, Sen. Biden does what he does for Obama, which is mostly to provide reassurance that one member of the Democratic ticket at least can handle the job he's being nominated for. That's not a huge factor, but it's probably not nothing. Gov. Palin has generated excitement among the Republican voters who had always been suspicious of Sen. McCain, and who still admire George W. Bush. These are almost all people, though, who would vote for any Republican candidate if they voted at all; McCain's need to appeal to them with Bush-in-a-skirt illustrates how hard it will be to hold on to the great majority of voters who think President Bush has let the country down.

Posted by: Zathras | September 19, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

YOU NEVER KNOW! YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHEN PEOPLE WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR YOUR CAUSE. IN THIS CASE WHEN THE COUNTRY COMES FIRST, I BET JOHN MCCAIN HAD ROMNEY AT HIS SIDE AT THIS TIME. BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW! BUT, PALIN IS AN ECONOMIC'S SPECIALIST. NOT THE EXPERIENCE AS ROMNEY BUT, PERHAPS ROMNEY COULD HELP IN THE WAY OF ADVISING PALIN... WHO KNOWS? MY ADVISE TO MCCAIN IS TO REPLACE PALIN WITH ROMNEY. YOU WANT THAT LUSTER BACK THAN ROMNEY IS YOUR GUY!

Posted by: My crying eyes. | September 19, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

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