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Rove: Palin Will Boost GOP Ticket By 2-3 Points Nationally

ST. PAUL -- Former White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove predicted that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin "gives [John McCain] the ability to add two or three points nationally" to his vote total, a margin that could make a significant difference in what is expected to be a very close general election contest with Barack Obama.

Those points , according to Rove, who sat for an extended interview with The Fix and Newsweek executive editor Jon Meacham as part of the ongoing live web video coverage, will largely come from women but could also be the result of gains among blue collar, older men who "like the idea of a gun-toting woman."

Rove also argued that Democrats have already "over played" their hand on Palin by putting out a statement -- from the Obama campaign -- that cast her as an inexperienced, small town mayor. (Obama distanced himself from that statement and has been entirely praiseworthy of the governor in his comments since then.)

"They run a real risk of looking condescending," warned Rove. "The same crowd played these cards against Clinton and it was a mistake."

Rove cast each of the vice presidential picks this year as "not a governing decision but a campaign decision."

He added:

"Both of them principally said I'm going to get someone that I think, in the case of Obama covers my weakness, and in the case of McCain, plays to his strength. And both of them said I'm going to do something because I need to do something politically. It's Obama part to shore up working class Catholics and it's McCain part to make inroads among soft Republicans and those Hillary supporters -- male or female -- that can be gotten by somebody who's a gun-toting, hockey-playing woman."

Of Obama's acceptance speech, Rove said he thought it was underwhelming given the venue. (A perspective shared by Post columnist David Broder.)

"I think that this was a speech that was not worthy of the venue, and an eminently memorable venue with an eminently forgettable speech," said Rove.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 1, 2008; 7:54 PM ET
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Karl Rove is not God. He just wish Palin will enhance McCain vote. He is just wishing in Vain. It will in fact decrease his votes. It will instead increase Obama votes.

Posted by: lclon | September 2, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

In Effect, There Is Virtually No Candidate
Increase Decrease

by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.

September 2, 2008

The inside information is, contrary to anything different that only foolish people might believe, both putative Presidential candidates are now doing nothing as much as losing the general election. The voters are panicked by the state of the economy, on which neither of the two has a clue, or is likely to ever discover a clue.

Unless Vice-President Cheney can start World War III very soon, in which case neither Obama or McCain would ever be President. The situation right now, is that the election could be called off, while the nation operates under an unelected "emergency government," for the duration of the presently onrushing global, economic breakdown-crisis.

The only leading issue on the electorate's mind is the plunging state of the U.S. and European economies, which means that Obama's constituency as November approaches, will be, basically, the serried ranks of some Buppies and Boomers, that is, if the chain is not pulled on Obama, as has been expected, by some time during September-October.

Meanwhile, Senator McCain's virtual breakdown in accepting the Governor of Alaska as a stand-in for the Senator Lieberman whom he really wanted, combined with the effect of several factors on the Obama candidacy, means, that, as of this moment, it is probable that neither will be a standing candidate come November. Gustav came as a welcome excuse for many Republicans' non- attendance at this week's opening of the nominating convention. Of course, nothing is certain, except chaos, unless we become lucky and get an option I would prefer.

British thuggery pushed Hillary out, but it also wrecked the Democratic Party's likelihood of winning the election.

The problem is not limited to the intellctual incompetence of the two Presidential candidates. In effect, letting the British (e.g., Rohatyn, Soros) steer muddleheaded Nancy Pelosi into virtually shutting down the U.S. Congress for most of the past two years, and eliminating the only leading pre-Presidential candidate who has shown the ability to think like an actual President, the U.S.A. does not have the prospect of an actually functioning, properly elected President assuming office come January.

It is the reigning Federal political system, in the Executive Branch, and the leadership of both branches of the Federal legislature, together with the leading press, which are responsible for the general breakdown of the Federal political system at this time.

I am not proposing that that will be the situation come November election-day. In a situation like the present global financial and strategic crisis, the candidates nominated by the time the Republican conventions ends, may not be candidates when election-day arrives. Past Labor Day, the fact of the incompetence of the present top leaders in the Congress, the candidates, and the major press, will have begun to kick in.

You can nominate a zero, but no sane person would ever believe for long, that it was actually our President. So, Gustav saved many leading Republicans from disgusting themselves by attending the Republican nominating convention. As things stand now, the name of the next President of the U.S.A. might turn out to have been "None of the Above."

As usual, when I am abroad for a few weeks, there has been a bit of an emotional breakdown in places such as Leesburg. Don't let that discourage you; it happens regularly, and we have always survived such fits by the usual suspects before. In the meantime, we shall continue to do our job, and pay little attention to the perenniel gaggle of silly gossips.

Many things are about to change, and that more or less profoundly, very, very soon.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats overplayed their hand:" -- as in what???? She had 50 employees - Obama currently has 2500 in 50 states [or 49] - do the math! How is that overplayed? Or played at all?
It was the GOP griping around about how 'inexperienced' and 'not ready for prime time' Obama is - and they bring out their teen queen?
What was it Buchanan always says? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!

Posted by: Figerre | September 2, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

If Palin is such a weak candidate, then why on earth are the Obama supporters wasting so much time beating her to death? It just makes no sense. I mean why do democrats care that the republican base is happy with this pick? Obama supporters, why are you so upset?

Posted by: Susan | September 2, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&8au&emc=au

Now, the truth is starting to come out about the reckless, cavalier, and dangerous decision made by McSame to place Sarah (knock 'em up) Palin on the ticket. If this is the type of decision making to be expected of McSame in the White House, then he is a very dangerous man indeed to even be considered for the presidency. Hopefully, the American people (this doesn't include mentally deranged social conservatives) will wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late. Obama/Biden 08!!!

Posted by: caliguy55 | September 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Karl Rove classic. Always pushing the Republican nonsense. On Obama's acceptance speech, regardless of what you think of Obama, any objective observer knows that Obama speech was outstanding and shows that he is a motivating speaker and leader.

On McCain's selection of Palin as his VP pick, it will prove to be fatal to his bid to win the Presidency. Not because of anything that Ms. Palin has done or has not done. From what I have learned of her the last three day, I think she is an interesting person. Also, I admire her grit and she seems to be a real maverick. Also, how do you not admire someone who has five, lovely, relatively young children and still is able to be a Governor of a State. She also seems to be a wonderful person who has accomplished a lot. I question whether she should have put her daughter in the lime light at what must be a difficult time for the family though. Anyone who has children know that they will make mistakes. I wish her daughter and the entire family well and all America should.

The issue is not with Palin. The issue is with McCain and his selection of Ms. Palin. McCain is the one who is supposed to be the seasoned and steady leader. He is a veteran of many campaigns and he is on record questioning Obama's abilities to be President. However, McCains selection of Ms. Palin shows terrible judgement on the most important decission this election. Why would he expose someone like Ms. Palin to such an intense environment that running for national office brings. It is not that Ms. Palin in not experienced or qualified, it is she has not been properly vetted. She has not been allowed to prepare herself or her family for something that the best and brightest would have difficulty adjusting to overnight. Ms. Palin and her family went from being a happy First Family of Alaska to the National Political spotlight. McCain should have known better. He should have resisted the temptation to select Ms. Palin knowing what was in front of her and her family. Ms. Palin has never run for national office and she would not be expected to truly understand what is involved. But John McCain and his campaign staff sure should have and now it will be used to vividly demonstrate the poor judgement and campaign abilities of the McCain Straight Talk Express.

Posted by: John 585 | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I know all I need to know about Palin, now knowing that she's a hot-blooded hunter, a "gun-totin' woman." BFD.

Killing for the sake of killing is disgusting. If a bear attacks her, she can kill it. But I'll bet she doesn't take on any creature that has the slightest chance of surviving her lust for its flesh.

Is she starving that she has to shoot wild animals to assuage her hunger pangs and those of all those children, whom I'm sick and tired of hearing about?

And speaking of those children: How can she be expected to provide any kind of national leadership when on the home front she can't even lead her oldest daughter along the righteous path of abstinence, so dear to right-wingers' hearts?

Posted by: bryony1 | September 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse


It's comical to see how panicked the Obama Kool Aid drinkers are about Palin, and to what extent they'll go to smear her. She's not going anywhere folks, except to go live in the Naval Observatory, and then the White House.Get over it. You'll get another chance in another 12 years. Try not to nominate an unqualified arrogant Marxist like Obama next time.

Posted by: EyeDoc | September 2, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

There is something fundamentally ironic in asking Karl Rove his opinion about anything political. You never get his actual opinion; you get what he wants you to THINK he believes, no matter how silly it is, or how unlikely that even he actually believes it. He must hope it will be more persuasive that way.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | September 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Heehee. I could have gone to any golf course last weekend and found a more qualified VP candidate. Even my Republican friends (yes, some of my best friends are Republicans) are aghast.

"Geez! Is that the best he could do?? He could have gone to our last PTA meeting and picked any number of people - smart, educated, knowledgable people, who are more qualified than her".

...and so it goes.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | September 2, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok that's Rove's opinion. I don't recall anyone of any real gravitas talking about Palin one way or the other.

What I think would be interesting is for someone with press credentials and Washington phone book to touch-base with the Republican side of both the Senate Armed Services Committee and the Senate Forgein Relations Committee - and get their reaction to Sarah Palin as their boss. The VP is the President of the Senate after all.

(Originally posted under the wrong blog entry. Sorry)

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 2, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

He's a doofus...if he thinks a woman who so illequipped to deal with ANY of the issues facing us will gain them anything.

He knows as well as anyone...this is probably going to all come apart over the next week

The first time she axtually does interviews...you know like the ones that Joe Biden ha done over and over answering questions on all the massive issues we face around the globe...the same ones that Obama has had to face

the same ones that Mccain has a tough time if they go past a single follow-up.

Where are the interviews with Sarah Palin asking about trade agreements, and presidential signing statements , our historical military record, NATO, social security numbers, poverty levels, historical tax histories and ratios, Georgia, terrorism, balance of power in Washington

where are they chris why have we gone this long and no interviews answering these questions in detail and with knowledge...

could it be they are teaching her 30 second soundbites as we speak.

ugh

Posted by: dl | September 2, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

It seems almost everything they said in introducing her can be disputed. Like her opposing the bridge to no where. We know that was not true and when she did finally oppose it the money had already been withdrawn and the project was over anyway. Kind of like yelling at someone "Yea and don't come back" after they have already left and trying to take credit for chasing them off. We know now she went after tons of ear marks, not even the 80% approval rating is real. How many lies to they think they can tell and not get caught?

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Palin belonged and supported a party that wants Alaska to succeed from the Union (AIP- look it up). She gave them a speech in 2008. McCain says South Ossettia is Georgian -Palin says Alaska should choose if it is part of America. Great vetting. Doubting? Check www.guardian.co.uk

Posted by: thoush | September 2, 2008 11:55 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Palin belonged and supported a party that wants Alaska to succeed from the Union (AIP- look it up). She gave them a speech in 2008. McCain says South Ossettia is Georgian -Palin says Alaska should choose if it is part of America. Great vetting. Doubting? Check www.guardian.co.uk

Posted by: thoush | September 2, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

he Intrade prediction market has opened trading on whether "Sarah Palin [is] to be withdrawn as Republican VP nominee before 2008 presidential election." At 8:55 am, Tuesday morning, the market is selling the prediction at 18 a share and rising. That means 18 percent of traders think Palin will be removed.

Intrade predicted Joe Biden would be Barack Obama's running mate in August and its traders were also correct about every Senate race in 2006. It fell flat in predicting a Democratic majority.

Keep checking back through out the day for updates on the trading numbers.

Click here for Sarah Palin's trading chart.

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Want to know who is going to win, they are never wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW46V4XNxwY
Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:49 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Want to know who is going to win, they are never wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW46V4XNxwY

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse


You may not be old enough to remember what it was like when Geraldine Ferraro was nominated. They went crazy, she appeared in a beautiful white suit, the democrats were beside themselves with excitement. It lasted a week then reality set in. I am sorry, she can't fake it all the way to November. I used to box a little I even trained in the 5 st gym where Ali trained. I was pretty good even a few thought I had something. Then I fought a ranked fighter. I never fought another fight. They can stand her up in front of a mic with prepared notes and put on a little show but at some point they are going to have to let the press have at her. I am afraid she is not the real deal and it will become apparent pretty quick. Todays polling is already showing it was a mistake.

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While you guys are dancing in the streets Palin is flipping CO and NV. That's all he needs.

Posted by: crypt | September 2, 2008 11:07 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

What can you do if you must let the ignorant vote

Broker is full of sh--. all the commentators did for months is complain that Obama wasnt specific and relied on lofty rhetoric. So he cuts the loftiness and then it doesnt suit the same commentators. They need to get off their collective assets and do some original thinking and work

Posted by: NCLWTK | September 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

While you guys are dancing in the streets Palin is flipping CO and NV. That's all he needs.

Posted by: crypt | September 2, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The Vice President serves as the president of the Senate and may vote in that chamber in the case of a tie. As such, the vice president has both influence in matters before the Senate and legislative power. At the behest of the president, the vice president can also push for the president's nominees to the federal courts and federal departments.

Sarah Palin was picked for the job because of her position on family value issues; the issues that Christian social conservatives want to thrust into the the business of government and onto the citizenry. She was picked to secure the critical "bibles. babies, and bullets" Roverian base that constitutes roughly 30% of GOP voters. In short, she was specifically picked to promote and impose her particular moral system on the rest of us.

Palin and those like her chose long ago to make the personal political. To give her a pass on her personal family issues isn't kindness or decency, it's moral and civic cowardice. The ugly truth of the Sarah Palin's in our society isn't that "We can't control what our children do." It's that they absolutely want to control what my children do.

Posted by: Natasha Jacobs | September 2, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Latest Rasmussen poll has Obama up by 6 points. Wrong again Karl!

Posted by: RickJ | September 2, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think we tolerated too much. This rove has to be brought to just and sentenced to death for disrespect with regard to our judiciary system and the constitution.

Posted by: Ben | September 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"...an eminently forgettable speech"

If you have do not have a heart you cannot appreciate truth that comes from from it.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | September 2, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

This the same Karl Rove who predicted a Republican "thumping" of Democrats in the November 2006 elections and who then resigned from the Bush Administration in August of 2007.

Rove understands that McCain's campaign is damage control mode, but is too much of a "schmuck" to admit it.

Much of the discussion coming out of the McCain campaign is justifying Palin as VP or discussing how Gustav "changed" their convention. There is no consistent and formidable message coming out of the McCain camp unlike the Democratic Convention theme of "Unity" and "Change".

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 2, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

let's the debates begin....and let's vote..

Posted by: KATHLEEN | September 2, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Why does anyone speak with Karl Rove for "analysis?" Nothing he says is every unbiased or nuanced, it's all about the message that Republicans = good, Democrats = bad. Plus, he's working for the McCain campaign.

Posted by: BigBenInVA | September 2, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin favors removing sex education from our schools and replacing it with abstinence-only education. Great!! Maybe if she succeeds in this, her kid’s kid will get pregnant at 12. If abstinence-only education didn't work in her own home, how does she expect it to work for all the nations youth. I'm hearing that all of Palin's problems are making her even more relatable. That is scary; my family has a whole host of regular-people problems, maybe that means my Mom would be a good candidate for VP. It is natural for us humans to count on people smarter than us to guide us. Palin is inexperienced and clearly no genius, this not the kind of CHANGE we had in mind, Mr. McCain.

Posted by: C.Ossman | September 2, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Yeah let us use carl rove as an "expert" when he spews his one sided "professional" views on fox noise every night.

This pick just proves that republicans think us as women are stupid!!!

Posted by: Amy | September 2, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Tough Tough Tough interview...you should be proud

Posted by: heather | September 2, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Chris:

The most obvious question a curious journalist would ask Karl Rove: Explain how Palin met your veep test when Kaine did not using the criteria you judged Kaine on.

Posted by: Optimyst | September 2, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

You can bet that when Karl Rove offers his "professional" opinion about a political topic that his judgement is part of the political calculus, not an objective observation. In fact, given his record, it would NOT be paranoid to wonder if he isn't behind the events of this very odd weekend of revelations about Palin. Why? Perhaps there is a growing sense that the GOP convention won't give the campaign a bump and THAT fact would become the media story. Now, the story is about someone who is so little known that virtually all Republicans can project their own philosophies upon her. The problem is the story is tumbling out faster than anyone can keep up with it and so far, Obama has not taken the bait. What will Rove say, I wonder, when Sarah Palin is unceremoniously dumped a la Eagleton before the week is out?

Posted by: dch | September 2, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I remember when Rove Predicted that the Republican's would win majorities in the House and Senate in 2006.

McCain will pick up some of Bush's Base with this pick, but he will lose a lot of moderates.

Who in their right mind cares what Rove or Broder for that matter thinks of Obama's Speech. He didn't write it for smug pundits who made up their minds to vote Republican in this election while Reagan was in office.

Posted by: Robert Dale | September 2, 2008 6:09 AM | Report abuse

The DailyKos online forum trolls have burst through their levees and are spewing their ghetto ignorance in these sexist and Republican-bashing gleeful hate screeds and incoherent dehumanizing memes.

These are the voices that will be empowered if Barack Obama gets elected. The voices that you see on this forum, the racial resentment, the hatred and the ignorance, will come spilling out of DailyKos where the worst of the sociopathic anarchy is concealed under the surface in hidden threads, and become the stream of consciousness of the new electoral power base of America.

If Barack Obama gets elected, the kind of voices you see on this forum, will become mainstreamed.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 5:15 AM | Report abuse

All the crazy netroots, DailyKos shills and self-appointed Obama online activists are out with their crazed hate speech woman-bashing.

The gleeful, attacking hate spewing sounds a lot like the kind of aping up of hate that went on during the primaries, against Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 2, 2008 5:11 AM | Report abuse

"I'm pickin' Palin, you SOBs!! I'm a maverick! Get it??! I'm not mister 90%, I'M A FRICKIN' MAVERICK HAHAHAHAHAHAHA watch me break all the furniture, you commie gook mothers we'll win in Vietnam we never lost no we nevernevernevernever did hahahahahahaaaa...!"

Posted by: Rubiconski | September 2, 2008 4:56 AM | Report abuse

yeah, rove was so right about republicans winning in 2006 too...

Posted by: phi | September 2, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

As a journalist Chris, you ought to have some more class. Karl Rove is a bad, bad man. Have some morals, Chris. I don't care if this guy calls to tell you he has $10mil for you, you don't take Karl Rove's call. This man has largely contributed to our current malaise, and the abomination that is the U.S. Department of Justice. If you see this guy, you tell him to go to hell!

New York, NY

Posted by: Luke | September 2, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

Hurricane Sarah,the mother of all storms,category 5 enjoy GOP ihihihihihihihih

Posted by: Pascal Milan(italy) | September 2, 2008 4:09 AM | Report abuse

Why would anyone think Rove has any credibility? His answers are stock-partisan nonsense. And how could he judge a speech from Obama given he worked for a man who can't string two words together....

At the rate Palin revelations are hitting the media, McCain will be down 2-3 points by the end of today

Posted by: RickJ | September 2, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

2-3 points nationally?

Don't think so. With the drip, drip, drip of new revelations every day from a thoroughly unvetted, underqualified and inappropriate candidate the next two months will be a death by a thousand cuts for the Republican party. If Troopergate reveals she did anything inappropriate she is toast.

Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

How is all of this stuff that's dripping out about Palin supposed to jibe with the McCain campaign's insistence that Palin was thoroughly vetted before she was picked, I don't know. If this match can, rightly, be compared to a speed date, then I guess the "vetting" was the equivalent of taking 30 seconds to glance at your date's drivers licence before heading for the sack. Yep, he/she is over 16. Turn down the lights, put on the Marvin Gaye.


There is Republican precedent, of course: Invade Iraq, then check to see if Saddam really had WMDs; make Mike Brown head of FEMA, then check to see if he actually knew anything about disaster response, etc. But I thought the whole idea was to get away from that kind of "leadership" (or at least fool the voters into thinking McCain would do things differently.)


I'm not sure what a bevy of GOP lawyers is supposed to do up in Alaska now -- other than provide one-stop shopping for investigative reporters seeking comment. Maybe the mission is to lean (heavily, if necessary) on various Republican functionaries up there who don't seem to be totally with the program.


YOU'RE DOIN' A HECKUVA JOB, MCCAIN!


HAHAHA!


Posted by: The Big Orange Satan | September 2, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

Really, Chris? Karl Rove is doing your guest writing? Why donate a column to a propagandist who will leave anyone who believes him objectively less well informed than if he hadn't read your column? I'm disappointed. I've enjoyed The Fix but I think I'm done with you now.

Posted by: Aleks | September 2, 2008 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Palin will withdraw her name soon - probably within the next 2 days - will say it is for the privacy of her family

Posted by: LaJimm | September 2, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Elections are determined by the perceptions of symbols. With 7 houses McCain was beginning to
look a bling master & not the virtuous warrior of the 2000 campaign , His well honed relationship with the press could not prevent the beginnings of a profile of his wife Cindy that resembled Leona Helmsley's old news clippings. He had to pick
Palin -there was no other Mr or Mrs Smith that he
could take to Washington .The only thing an empty suit like Romney could add to his campaign was 8 more houses

Posted by: robert | September 2, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

No one gives a rat's ass what Karl Rove thinks. He should be in jail. And once Barack Obama takes office, I hope he pursues every avenue of criminal investigations he has at his disposal. Rove is a scumbag of the lowest order and does not belong in this newspaper. He belongs in the sewer with the rest of the world's waste products.

Posted by: DW | September 2, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

This is the same Karl Rove who used Robert Novak to torpedo Joe Lieberman as McCain's pick for VP, right? (Nothing like using a highly invested party as your source for reliable viewpoints, yes? ;-)

Posted by: Carmen Cameron | September 2, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Millions of single moms and working mothers are going to vote. And we are starting to see the Democrats true colors on how they feel about this. I am not excusing single parenthood since it has destroyed a whole generation, but we shouldn't be demonizing a candidate for the actions of her daughter. And of course she can work and take care of her family.

Posted by: CommonSense | September 2, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse


Want to know who is going to win?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW46V4XNxwY

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is an uncoordinated disaster inside and out. Have you seen him dance on Youtube? He has no rhythm to speak of, and hates anyone who does. Obama is his superior in every possible area. If Rove had any talent he would have a real job instead of plotting dirty tricks for the Repubblicans. What is he planning now? We'll find out in a few days!

Posted by: josepheg410 | September 2, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand this kind of comments, who are they trying to convince? What did McCain thought when he picked Palin for VP nominee? Mother of 5, one on his way to Iraq, one underaged and pregnant, one being a special child? how on earth this woman is going to have time to take care of his family and be the US vice president? This is the kind of things that I don't understand, I tried to listen and analyze the whole situation but...the only answer that I can find is that the Republicans don't care about who they put as VP because they'll cheat again and be back in power...hopefully the Dems will be smart enough not to let this happen again...we can't take 4 more years of Republican government...this is enough!! Myself and my family have been Republicans for ever but this is just a shame and an insult to the American people...

Posted by: M Meyer | September 2, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

PALIN=Harriet Miers

Palin/pregnant daughter underage out of wedlock-Cheney/gay pregnant daughter not married (to man)

McCain is doing all of the worst things--we saw from the Bush years!

Posted by: joefansler | September 2, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Hilarious. This would be the same Rove who "predicted" gains in Congress for the GOP in 2006? That Karl Rove?


The joke is on you moronic media people who keep listening to this joker.


Posted by: Christian in NYC | September 2, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Rove belongs in jail. This guy is fuller of it than a septic tank. Palin's honeymoon is way past over. Independents are moving toward Obama based on her pick. Sure, the Base loves her -- and that's about it. She's got enough baggage to drip drip drip for another couple weeks at least & by then the damage will be done.

Posted by: Scott in PacNW | September 2, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

palin off the ticket - hahahaha, dream on dreamworld dems, we are going to overturn roe vs. wade and force liberals to live underground

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

there are other homo stories out there not just sinclair, more credible - watch for obama audio to come out in oct

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Republican Convention Schedule Leaked!
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7:00 pm – Ceremonial burning of the U.S. Constitution

7:15 pm – Spiritual Medium Sylvia Browne performs psychic séance in desperate attempt to raise Ronald Reagan from the grave

7:35 pm – "The Pleasures of Adultery" - with Newt Gingrich & Rudy Giuliani

8:05 pm – Gay sex party in Minneapolis airport's Men's Restroom hosted by Senator Larry Craig

8:35 pm - Transvestite Ann Coulter – "My Life as a Man"

8:55 pm – Live satellite feed from Federal Prison – Ohio Rep. Bob Ney

9:05 pm – Guest speaker ex-Florida Congressman Mark Foley "Joys with Young Boys"

9:25 pm – Oliver North – "Iran is Evil, but I sold them weapons anyway"

9:40 pm – Bill O' Reilly – "The costs of sexual harassment and phone sex with employees"

10:00 pm – Gay sex party in Men's Room hosted by Ken Mehlman and Geraldo Rivera

10:25 pm – Check on McCain to see if he's still breathing and if his adult diaper needs to be changed.

10:35 pm – N.R.A. President hosts an assault riffle target practice on Gays and Mexicans.

10:45 pm - Call emergency squad after a drunken Darth Cheney accidentally shoots his friend in the face.

11:00 pm – Bush performs his hilarious comedy routine where he looks for Iraq's fictitious WMD's under guests tables.

11:15 pm – Mike Huckabee does his famous uncanny imitation of Gomer Pyle.

11:20 pm – Group intervention to get Rush Limbaugh back into drug rehab

11:45 pm – Go up on rooftop and throw rocks down at homeless Vets sleeping in alley.

12:00 am – Live satellite feed from Federal Prison –California Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham

12:20 am – Convicted felon/Fox News analyst G. Gordon Liddy – Lock picking secrets

12:40 am – Guest speakers Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz – "How to lie your Country into a War"

1:00 am – Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay –"Tips on Money Laundering"

1:15 am – Hookers and young boys arrive for the after party

Posted by: It's a Wingnut hoedown y'all! | September 2, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

It would not surprise me right now if some in the inner circles of the Republican establishment are confronting McCain to take Palin off the ticket. The other possibility is that they're plotting to talk Palin into taking her name off the ticket in time for getting a different VP candidate nominated in the next couple days.

Posted by: MNobserver | September 2, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Guido | September 2, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous, please tell us which 10 O'Clock news broadcast you heard this on? Don't worry, you'll still be plenty anonymous.

If you can't cite your source, then this topic is over and you have zero credibility.

Posted by: MNobserver | September 2, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The only time I want to hear Rove is when he's take the oath as he prepares to testify before a Senate Committee.

Posted by: Fredo | September 2, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

For some actual facts about Palin and the vetting process and how bad this is starting to look for McCain, check out this link to Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200808u/mccain-palin

Posted by: MNobserver | September 1, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Did Obama plant the leak of Palin's daughter's pregnancy, denies it and publicly denounces it?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama Law Firm Got Millions for ACORN from Predatory Lender, Famous Dope, Inc. Bank
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August 26, 2008 (LPAC)--ACORN, which conduits hundreds of millions of dollars for George Soros-directed political operations and the Obama campaign, got a huge boost in 2002 through a deal worked out by Barack Obama's law firm.

Obama was then an Illinois state senator and since 1993 had practiced law with Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

The Obama firm represented ACORN in a class-action suit brought in 2002 against Household Finance Company, a notoriously predatory sub-prime lender that was in the process of being taken over by Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank (HSBC), historically a central financing agency for British Far East opium trafficking. Obama's partner Sarah Siskind, lead counsel in ACORN et al. v. Household International, Inc., 2002 WL 1563805 (Superior Court of California 2002), reached a settlement with HSBC.

The deal, worth hundreds of millions of dollars in payments, stipulated that HSBC would pay undisclosed amounts of the settlement to ACORN, which was supposed to counsel borrowers on how to cope with their victimizaton.

The British bank explained the arrangement with ACORN in a 2003 press release:

"Household International, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of HSBC Holdings plc (NYSE: HBC), the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), and a series of borrowers from across the United States, announced today they have reached a proposed settlement of nationwide class action litigation relating to the mortgage lending practices of Household's two U.S. branch-based businesses, Household Finance Corporation and Beneficial Corporation.... In connection with the proposed settlement, Household has agreed to provide funding over a three-year period for ACORN-sponsored financial counseling and literacy programs."

In 2004, the year after the settlement, members of the Obama firm contributed about $26,000 to Obama's initial campaign for the U.S. Senate -- alongside George Soros, who met with Obama and raised $60,000 for the campaign. ACORN counsel Sarah Siskind gave Obama $1,000 and gave $500 to the other Soros project, MoveOn.org.

In 2001, the year before his firm represented ACORN, Obama had been a director of the Wood Fund of Chicago, when the fund awarded a $75,000 grant to "Chicago ACORN (fiscal agent is American Institute for Social Justice Inc)." The grants from Woods Fund to Acorn continued for several years, totalling over $300,000. That year, 2001, the chairman of the Woods Fund board on which Obama served was Howard J. Stanback, who ran New Kenwood LLC, a company founded by now-convicted fraudster Tony Rezko and Rezko's commercial partner Allison Davis. Mr. Davis was Barack Obama's former boss at the law firm, then called Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland. Another member of the Woods Fund board that started funding ACORN was William C. Ayers, former Weather Underground terrorist.

In the 2003 press release put out by HSBC, an ACORN spokesman is quoted praising the British bank:

"Household's performance on implementing the Foreclosure Avoidance Program has been exceptional, and we are hopeful that our future work together will deliver enormous benefits to subprime borrowers."

In fact, HSBC plunged ahead with sub-prime lending, not very well covered with the ACORN oak-leaf. In 2007 alone, HSBC had to write off the $11.7 billion in predatory loans to their American victims.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's 18 million voters should vote McCain/Palin 08 in protest to DNC blatant sabotage of the most qualified presidential candidate!!!

Biden does not add to Obama's campaign because...

1. Obama's "Change" message is squashed by Biden's 26+ years of being Washington Insider

2. He voted for Iraq war in 2003

3. His remarks against Obama during primaries gives McCain material for tv ads such as, “the presidency is not an on the job training and Obama has no experience."

4. Did Obama kissed Biden's wife Jill on the lips twice, Wednesday and Thursday night to specifically distract the public from various internet rumors of his closeted homosexuality that may arise? For example, what Larry Sinclair has been saying of their rendevouz with drugs and gay sex in November 1999. Simply google "Obama closeted homosexual" and you will get pages of sites, incredible.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Eyes2disinfo:

Just heard on the 10 o'clock local news that it was Obama's camp who leaked Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy this earlier, denies it and later stands in front of tv cameras to denounce this kind of politicking....

Will all the results of Obama's lack of vetting be revealed? Why has he not submitted his education and medical records for example. There is much discrepancy with his birth certificate where a court of law has refused to dismiss case.

Is this true or typical? If true, did Obama do this because he is anticipating the McCain's camp to leak his closeted homosexuality that has been all over the internet for the past 2 years? His affair with Larry Sinclair back in November 1999 for example? Simply google "Obama's closeted homosexuality" and lists of websites comes up!

The first reaction was, "her daughter's pregnancy makes Palin look more real and every day like the rest of us with every day struggles and not part of the 'elite, mulit-millionaire Washington insider kind." Her family be generate sympathy instead...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

How Soros Financed Obama's Campaign
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May 30, 2008 (LPAC)--In late 2006, George Soros, the British empire/Wall Street gatekeeper of the Left, vetted Senator Barack Obama's potential Presidential candidacy on behalf of financier oligarchs. Soros then introduced Obama to a selected financier group, and Obama soon afterwards announced he would seek the White House.

Soros's involvement with Obama's brief national political career had begun two years earlier with Soros fundraising for Obama's campaign for U.S. senate, and continued through the 2007 Presidential campaign launch with huge fundraising operations by Soros and his circle.

SOROS AND OBAMA - A Preliminary chronology

2004: The London-Wall Street axis singled out Obama, then an Illinois state senator, as their "Rising Star" in U.S. politics. The Rockefellers' family political agency known as the League of Conservation Voters endorsed Obama in the Democratic U.S. senate primary, ran TV ads on the Rising Star theme, and directly funded Obama's national career manager, consultant David Axelrod.

Obama's opponent in the Democratic primary, Blair Hull, was a self-financed millionaire, so Obama used the "millionaires' exception" to the campaign finance law to take $12,000 each from donor, six times the ordinary limit at that time. Thus nearly half of his $5 million primary funding came from 300 donors.

George Soros raised $60,000 of this Obama funding, with his own donations and those he procured from his family. Soros reportedly met with Obama first in March -- a mere state senator, Obama was the only candidate in the country with whom Soros met personally during the 2004 election cycle, according to Soros spokesman Michael Vachon (quoted by CNS News, July 27, 2004). On June 7, 2004, Obama was in Soros' New York home for an Obama campaign fundraising event.

December 4, 2006: Obama met with George Soros in Soros' mid-town Manhattan office. After an hour interview, Soros took Obama into a conference room where a dozen plutocrats waited to talk with Obama. Key among them were UBS (Union Bank of Switzerland/Swiss Bank) U.S. chief Robert Wolf, and hedge fund manager Orin Kramer.

December, 2006, a week later, Robert Wolf had dinner in Washington D.C. with Barack Obama to map out campaign strategy.

Early January, 2007: Obama announced his Presidential candidacy. The New York Times announced that candidate Obama had nailed the support of two highest-level Democratic fundraisers: George Soros and Robert Wolf. By mid-April, 2007, Wolf had raised $500,000 for Obama.

Mid-January, 2007: Wolf ran a dinner for Obama in Washington, with potential bundlers Jim Torrey, Brian Mathis, Jamie Rubin, and (again, from the original Soros meeting) Orin Kramer.

Early March, 2007: There were two fundraisers by Wolf and one by Edgar Bronfman, Jr.

Mid-March, 2007: George Soros began a staged dance with Obama. Writing in the New York Review of Books, Soros denounced the rightist Israeli lobby, AIPAC.

March 21, 2007: Continuing the dance, the Obama campaign rebutted Soros (as in, "Obama distances himself from Soros"), and denounced the Hamas movement.

April 9, 2007: An Obama fundraising party for the New York elite was held at the home of financier Steven Gluckstern, the former chairman of George Soros' Democracy Alliance. A photograph of the event, published (April 16, 2007) in New York magazine, showed George Soros seated immediately next to the standing, speaking Obama. Soros was enthroned as the only one in the room seated, stationed between host Gluckstern and Obama. Two months earlier Soros's Mr. Gluckstern had been quoted in the New York Observer saying he MIGHT be raising "well over a million dollars" for Obama.

May 18, 2007: George Soros hosted an Obama party at the Greenwich, Connecticut palatial mansion of Paul Tudor Jones, who runs the giant hedge fund Tudor Investment Corporation. They collected $2,300 from each of the approximately 300 attendees, the local newspaper Greenwich Time reported.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Here's Palin and Ted Stevens appearing together on energy (not sure when the event took place). Go to question beginning around 2:40. They discuss their close working relationship, and, around 4:33, Palin begins, "I have great respect for the Senator....and, he needs to be heard across America. His voice, his experience, his passion needs to be heard across America so that Alaska can contribute more."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flycRaoU5V8

Posted by: SilvSpr 77 | September 1, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Sad how people feel obliged to reveal the worst part of their natures here. Pity poor Fix who has to read all this filth!

Posted by: Fixwit IV | September 1, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know why did Obama flip flop and support the FISA laws weeks ago that allow private phone companies to turn over Justice department the personal phone information of customers' months ago?

Heard the reason may be because he may also be the biggest privacy abuser with scamming targeted opponents' personal emails...


Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse


Wow, so Rove targeted people who'll vote for the "image of a gun-totin' woman." Is it any wonder that our problems get worse and worse, when the people who've caused them aim lower and lower, to manipulate votes from folks like "Anonymous," who doesn't have the decency to post his name, along with his libels. I get the feeling he's paid to be a lowlife.

Posted by: charlie3410 | September 1, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

The New York Times is also reporting on Palin's previous link to the Alaska Independence Party, which has secessionist leanings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?ref=politics

So, let's be fair... if Biden or Obama had participated in something like this, Rove and his henchmen would be doing cartwheels and spitting venom and using the words "unpatriotic" and "traitor."

Posted by: MNobserver | September 1, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Rove has shown us all his poisonous theory that all decisions are campaign decisions, and we've seen the destructive consequences of his fundamentally evil view.

Besides, it was Rove who assured us the Republicans would hold both houses of Congress in the 2006 elections. As far as I'm concerned, it's journalistic malpractice to give him space or time – everything he says is a calculated falsehood, geared to affecting results rather than describing reality.

Posted by: FlownOver | September 1, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Folks the story was leaked by the CHICAGO BRAINS" they run the Blogging operation. They are behind all the anti Sarah blogs and comments. To learn more about them you need to understnad who is really behind Obama. To get a idea watch the CNN special on Obama and how he became "ONE OF THE GOOD OLD BOYS" from "outsider" to "Mr Insider" He learned to play poker and hang out in Springfield making friends. This lead to a "strain" in the marriage. Check out the CNN special

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps I guess now the only women who should run for office should be single and should always stay out of the bedroom

Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | September 1, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's 18 million voters should vote McCain/Palin 08 in protest to DNC blatant sabotage of the most qualified presidential candidate!!!

Biden does not add to Obama's campaign because...

1. Obama's "Change" message is squashed by Biden's 26+ years of being Washington Insider

2. He voted for Iraq war in 2003

3. His remarks against Obama during primaries gives McCain material for tv ads such as, “the presidency is not an on the job training and Obama has no experience."

4. Did Obama kissed Biden's wife Jill on the lips twice, Wednesday and Thursday night to specifically distract the public from various internet rumors of his closeted homosexuality that may arise? Simply google "Obama closeted homosexual" and you will get pages of sites, incredible.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

"Anonymous" at 10:57 p.m. says he "heard on the 10 o clock news" that Obama "leaked" the story about Sarah Palin's son Trig. This is an absolute fabrication. There was no such "news" story fingering Obama.

Are paid disinformation trolls again using this blog to libel and spread deliberate falsehoods?

A Pulitzer to the journalist who exposes those responsible for the illegal misuse of mainstream media sites to propagandize and libel.

Posted by: Eyes2disinfo | September 1, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Germany's Spiegel Magazine Exposes Saakashvili and Cheney

September 1, 2008 (LPAC)--This morning's issue of Der Spiegel for the new week (#36) did publish a passage exposing the Georgians as provocateurs and liars: "At the same time [that governments were preparing the EU special summit], several departments of the German government in Berlin began voicing doubts about the credibility of this presently most problematic friend of the West. The Georgian President apparently attacked South Ossetia before Russian tanks arrived there through the Roki Tunnel, it is said. That has been told by military observers of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), who were in Georgia. It is possible that their reports, which now leaked out of the OSCE center in Vienna, also included information about wiretapped phone calls of the Georgian leadership. One that is familiar with these reports personally, summed up the assessment in the following way: "Saakashvili lied 100 percent to all of us, the Europans and Americans alike." In a preview of Dick Cheney's visit to Georgia this week, the same Spiegel article also writes that "it is mooted in Washington, DC, that he, who claims wanting to solve the conflict, is one of those that orchestrated it. One of his most experienced advisors, Joseph R. Wood, was in Tbilisi shortly before the Georgian Army attacked. That was confirmed for the first time last week by Cheney's office."

The Spiegel report exposing Saakashvili is very important, because the magazine otherwise is a notoriously anglophile publication.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I think Rove is correct in that Palin will create a boost of AT LEAST 2 to 3 percentage points nationally- only it will be for the Obama/Biden ticket.

After reading this woman's comically weak resume and extreme far-right policy positions, I can't imagine many undecided independents or party moderates will be very impressed.

Posted by: VAreader | September 1, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Just heard on the 10 o'clock local news that it was Obama's camp who leaked this earlier, denies it and later stands in front of tv cameras to denounce this kind of politicking....

Is this true or typical? If true, did Obama do this because he is anticipating the McCain's camp to leak his closeted homosexuality that has been all over the internet for the past 2 years? His affair with Larry Sinclair back in November 1999 for example? Simply google "Obama's closeted homosexuality" and lists of websites comes up!

The first reaction I got was, "her daughter's pregnancy makes Palin look more real and every day like the rest of us with every day struggles and not part of the 'elite, mulit-millionaire Washington insider kind" and may simply generate public sympathy instead....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Lots of blowhards here today (just like any other day in the blogosphere, I suppose). FAYI: Rove knows how to win elections, whatever his moral failings may be! Whichever candidate takes his advice will probably win!!

Posted by: Fixwit III | September 1, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

So now we know that Rove is delusional. . .that might explain his memory lapse during the Valarie Plame cover-up. Gimme a freakin break. . .this pick is beginning to make Dan Quayle's selection by George HW Bush look brilliant in comparison. Other than satisfying the right wing nut jobs, Palin's selection is more likely to prompt swing voters and undecideds to seriously question McCain's judgment AND it will bring Hillary supporters to Obama in droves because they don't like being insulted.

Posted by: billbolducinmaine | September 1, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Just heard on the 10 o'clock local news that it was Obama's camp who leaked this earlier, denies it and later stands in front of tv cameras to denounce this kind of politicking....

Is this true or typical? If true, did Obama do this because he is anticipating the McCain's camp to leak his closeted homosexuality that has been all over the internet for the past 2 years? His affair with Larry Sinclair back in November 1999 for example? Simply google "Obama's closeted homosexuality" and lists of websites comes up!

The first reaction I got was, "her daughter's pregnancy makes Palin look more real and every day like the rest of us with every day struggles and not part of the 'elite, mulit-millionaire Washington insider kind" and confirms her real life's experiences and generate public sympathy instead....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

To tic: 10-15 points? Oh, girl, do I have a bridge to sell you. It's payback time...

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

The biggest hypocrites in America are the Republican "family values" crowd:


Hey little sister what have you done
Hey little sister who's the only one
Hey little sister who's your superman
Hey little sister who's the one you want
Hey little sister shot gun!
It's a nice day to start again
It's a nice day for a white wedding
It's a nice day to start again
Hey little sister what have you done
Hey little sister who's the only one
I've been away for so long (so long)
I've been away for so long (so long)
I let you go for so long
It's a nice day to start again (come on)
It's a nice day for a white wedding
It's a nice day to start again


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awy4biqD_dA
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Posted by: TheRealMcCain | September 1, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Is a pitty that political people dont have morals, some still the election, some have lesbian daugther, others has promiscuos daugther and so on. Sorry carl the toilet paper broken up and your shiet stick in your hand at the time you pick up the candidate .What a pitty you offend the all republican party with your choice, and you will loose the elections, the come the impeachment .

Posted by: Julius | September 1, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't Rove in jail? and who cares what that has-been spawn of the devil thinks.

Posted by: Kathleen | September 1, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I understand Mr. and Mrs. Palin have a matched set of white shotguns -- for formal weddings.

Posted by: purplemartin | September 1, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is correct but his 2-3 point boost for Sarah Palin nationwide is way off. It's more like 10-15 points. Obama's toast

Posted by: tic | September 1, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

To Commandant Karlos von Klink: Attention -- your ship is sinking. Time to head for the lifeboats. Commandants, Officers, and War Criminals first, Women and Children second...

And ANY woman who would vote for Sarah Palin (AKA The Moose Whisperer) based on her gender is a fool. Pure and simple.

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse


This is the same fine fella who pushed poll a smear about McCain fathering an illegitimate mulatoo child, who was actually a Bangladesh orphan. He is completely bereft of any principles or policies, but is without peer in manipulating people less intelligent than himself through vicious and vapid ad hominem smears. Probably most repsonsbiel for the debasemetn of our political debate. Bush identified him as the architect of his Presidency. More than anyone, we have him to thank for the corruption and incompetence of the last 8 years. If Obama wins, he could very well be looking at jail time for his dubious machinations, including barely escaping indictment for his role in the Plame affair, and recently refusing to respond to a Congressional subpoena.

Posted by: charlie3410 | September 1, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about Rove's analysis or prediction? He has been totally bad for the country and for how campaigns are conducted. I believe that the media should boycott him.

Posted by: Byron | September 1, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Isnt this the same man who brought us Bush? Why would anyone in their right mind listen to him? He FAILED for the last 8 years...why would we give him anymore time to trash our country?

Posted by: Becky | September 1, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove needs to go sit down somewhere! He is an overated political hack whose predictions were and still are wrong! I wish the press would stop giving this crook airtime. His trifflin behind needs to be behind bars.

Posted by: Lisa Hampton | September 1, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

This of course from the guy who proclaimed the permanent Republican majority and that the Republicans would hold on to Congress in the last election. Nostradamus he is not.

Posted by: Mr Cee | September 1, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

--"Rove: Palin Will Boost GOP Ticket By 2-3 Points Nationally"--

Sure, and my Golden Retriever – Amy – would’ve boosted the ticket in the 12-13 point range.

How did a ham sandwich poll against Palin?

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 1, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

This IS the clown who said he knew THE number, in 2006, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cillizza, did you ask that criminal slimeball Rove how the Rethuglican lobbyist parties in Minneapolis are going?


McCain's Republican Convention, Hookers & Blow:

First McCain can't control the Republican 527's, now he can't even control his own Republican party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rni6G7RRFkk

Posted by: Bush + Cheney = McCain | September 1, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Chris, your otherwise fine piece does not mention if that 2-3 point boost is gross or net. Given that the game-changer has been shown to be simpatico with McCain in that they are double-talking hypocrites, Palin is going to be a millstone around the campaign's neck.

I didn't wade through the 2k+ comments on the looming Palin grandkid, so I apologize if I am repeating this: as far as the wedding goes, it's a good thing Sarah Palin is handy with a shotgun.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 1, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

And now it is reported that Palin ran a 527 group linked to Stevens.

I have to tell you, most hockey moms I know don't run 527's linked to indicted senators.

The 527 has never reported revenues to the IRS.

She herself is being investigated for abuse of power.

She has a staff of 50, versus Obama's staff of 2,500. Her budget is 1/100th the size of Obama's campaign budget.

We are supposed to believe the republican talking points and forget our own eyes and ears.

Let's see how long it takes for the republicans to figure out they have to disown her FAST!

I don't care how much experience you have; if you don't have judgement to begin with, then you don't have anything.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 1, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Rove has been wrong about so much lately! He said Obama would choose Kaine because that would make a pure political, not principled, pick. And then McCain chooses Palin for obvious political, not governing, reasons.

Posted by: Beth in VA | September 1, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is a big blowhard doofus.

Posted by: David | September 1, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Rove is freaking smart. 'Hope'fully, Obama was watching this today!

Posted by: Fixwit II | September 1, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

That's a word not a 'line', rad.

Posted by: Fixwit | September 1, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"I think that this was a speech that was not worthy of the venue, and an eminently memorable venue with an eminently forgettable speech," said Rove."
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Forgettable eh Rove? Well here is one line from the speech that I won't forget:

"ENOUGH!"

--Senator Barack Obama in '08

Posted by: radical_moderate | September 1, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats run the risk of being condescending?

We weren't the one's who put a retard on the ticket.

Is that the new republican strategy? Stuff the ticket with cripples and retards to capture the sympathy vote?

I don't think Rove has tuned in to the news lately, because Palin's honeymoon is over. CNN is trying its best to give the GOP their talking points, but it only takes about 5 seconds before everyone rolls their eyes.

Not a single republican has gone on the air and looked into the camera and answered the question, "is this the best republican McCain could find?"

They stutter, and stammer, and act indignant, and eventually lie.

The only condescension I see is what the republican party hurls at the American people. At every turn, they insult America, knowing there are 20 million people they can count on to use and abuse as they see fit without any risk of them suddenly growing even a hint of a limbic system, let alone an actual brain. Spineless automatons bred to react to the word republican.

It's not even funny any more. I think it's getting to the point just putting a pillow over the face of the GOP.

By the way: Carl Rove has syphilis.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 1, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

People, this is what Bush, Cheney and Rove have turned America into and this is what McCain and Rove want to continue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9mYCU0mH7w

Posted by: Bu$h Wacked | September 1, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Fixer:

The national media is by this Palin story and cannot say or do anything more until John McCain does. The story immediately ended the storm over the Gulf and put it over his head and you or anyone says about anythig else does not matter. I don't know what I would say in his position. I think I would go get a bottle and and find a motel with a Dish TV and try to go to sleep. Talk to you tomorrow.

Posted by: Marletter | September 1, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Palin has never been briefed on the our missile strategy nor, according to the head of Alaska's National Guard, has she been briefed on the Guard. Apparently, this is a figurehead type title, with absolutely no duties or responsibilities other than visiting with combat troops yearly.

Posted by: Mary | September 1, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

ABC News: Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s

September 01, 2008 6:52 PM

The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., likes to herald the independence of its new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.

"My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.

She doesn't know what Palin's position was.

"It never came up in conversation," Clark recalls. "But when she joined the party, our platform was right under her nose."

Clark says that Palin left the party and became a Republican in 1996, when she first ran for mayor of Wasilla.

The McCain-Palin campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The AIP platform states that the purpose of the party is to "seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution ... To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature ... To support the privatization of government services ...”

Walter Hickel, a former Republican governor, was elected to the governorship in 1990 as an AIP member -- the third-largest party in Alaska -- with a plurality vote of 38.8%. A Seattle Post-Intelligencer story that year said that "Hickel is running with the Alaska Independence Party, a fringe group advocating that the 49th state declare itself a sovereign nation. But he's not a separatist; he's an opportunist: the Independence Party was the only 11th-hour ticket to the general election."

Hickel returned to the Republican Party in 1994; he endorsed Palin in her gubernatorial run in 2006. Subsequent AIP gubernatorial candidates did not fare as well as did Hickel, garnering less than 2 percent of the vote.

Earlier this year, Palin sent a video message to the AIP for its annual convention, where AIP vice chair George Clark told the small crowd that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town –- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -– she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."

Lynette Clark says that Palin is "a fine individual. She's forthright and she puts Alaska first."

She is not a fan of McCain.

"I can't understand why in God's name she has aligned herself with a candidate who opposes the development of our republic and Alaska's resource wealth," Clark says.

- jpt

Posted by: Marie Stewart | September 1, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I am shocked that an independent analyst like Mr. Rove would not only think Palin would help the Republican ticket and that Senator Obama's speech, contrary to just about everybody, had tanked. I t help that you closely pick the analysts at just the right time to give your readers a fresh insight.

Posted by: Duuuh | September 1, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, yes, Karl Rove, who should be locked up for his many crimes, is spouting off about Palin being a good thing for Mc Goo's campaign.

Anybody who listens to this doughy idiot needs their head examined.

Rove may be indicted yet. I sure hope so. What an evil and shameless soul.

Posted by: LH | September 1, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I hear the Alaska Secessionists make up a large part of the voting bloc.

Posted by: Marie Stewart | September 1, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

In 2000 Karl Rove,
the manager of the Bush campaign, dismissed McCain as someone whose "legislative accomplishments are few and far between, because he cannot work well and bring people together and persuade them of a positive issue.

Sooo! has anything changed?????????????????????

Posted by: JAC | September 1, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

KKKarl Rove can kiss my white arse!


So, what does it say about John McBush's judgment that he selected a running mate who felt that she needed to hire a lawyer just four days before she was selected?

JUNEAU, Alaska -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOP vice presidential candidate, has hired a private practice attorney to defend her and members of her staff in the investigation into the firing of her public safety commissioner.

The state Legislature is investigating whether Palin fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan after he refused to fire a state trooper who had divorced Palin's sister.

http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=8933043

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 1, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Republican propaganda. After nearly eight years of such propaganda, why should anyone pay attention?

Posted by: Independent | September 1, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks.

It's on PERMANENT ACTIVE DUTY, unlike other Guard units. As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's.

She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force, ASDF, a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans. Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska's proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don't even know about."

************************

Untrue.

Hears what Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard has to say:

...In an interview with The Associated Press on Sunday, he said he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.

Don't believe the Republican spin!

Posted by: sick of the lies | September 1, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying we should put a gag order on anyone, but any person with an IQ higher than a grapefruit knows that statements from partisan voices during a political campaign should be given NO credence, unless they go against that partisanship. Unless Karl Rove criticized the selection of Sarah Palin, his opinion is essentially meaningless so far as political journalism goes.

Posted by: Budikavlan | September 1, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic, Tim! If Chris was worth his salt, he'd have confronted Rove with that quote about Kaine.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

>> musinn wote: "I have give up on CNN and Larry King with their bias against the Republicans and trying to veil it in good investigative reporting. King has really gone down hill with his programs . same guests are just rotated every few weeks. Now Jesse Ventura again. Give us a Break."

Larry King tonight was holding a panel on Sara Palin's pregnant teenage daughter and what it implies about Sara Palin's candidacy. This is after everyone, including Obama said that covering candidates' kids was beyond the pale.

Larry King kept asking James Carville and other guests these pregnant-teenage politics questions and every one of his guests said it's off limits and/or not important, and then they'd go on and talk about something else, like how qualified she was or the town she came from. And Larry King kept trying to push them to topic, to talk about the daughter's pregnancy. You could tell the guests were politely ignoring his queasy, greasy "journalism".

Ugh, what an oily old creep. As if he's not a child molester himself.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 1, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Rove's calculations are not arithmetic, just desperate. You'll recall that he announced on the eve of the 2006 Gottedamerung for the Republican party in Congress that they would gain seats. Well, now he has to deal with a new firestorm, and he is on the offensive.
What puzzles me, and perhaps says volumes about Palin and McCain, is that if both (and certainly Palin) knew about her daughter's situation before the Dayton rollout, did anyone stop to think about the uproar it would cause (perhaps not politically on the evangelical right) but in terms of pure media frenzy? Sure, when this broke were Palin just the governor of Alaska, it would have been big news, but probably only in Alaska. How could someone knowingly throw their family into this fire just because John McCain called? Either McCain has no judgment or his VP choice lacks it.

Posted by: Steve H | September 1, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

In 2000 Karl Rove,
the manager of the Bush campaign, dismissed McCain as someone whose "legislative accomplishments are few and far between, because he cannot work well and bring people together and persuade them of a positive issue.

Sooo! has anything changed?????????????????????

Posted by: JAC | September 1, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

jdodson -

Wallow in hypocrisy much? Funny how you seem to have no problem with the likes of Begala, Carville, and other liberal slime merchants chewing up the cable scenery. Laughably typical.

Posted by: wingedwheel | September 1, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm a woman, I'm insulted.

Stop speaking for women if you aren't one, guys. It's "idiotic".

Posted by: donna | September 1, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Rove has lost his magic touch. This will be like his rosy predictions of victory in 2006. He's whistling in the dark - especially as more seedy information seeps out of Alaska. Palin was a poorly thought out, gut-level decision by McCain. It is hard to get a campaign bounce when you shoot yourself in the foot. It will only get worse.

Posted by: Chuck | September 1, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Was Mom too busy with politics to teach abstinence? That's real family values and Republican leadership.

Posted by: Jay in Pa | September 1, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin will boost the GOP ticket a whole lot more than 2-3 points. Her courage and her family's courage (most of all her daughter's) will far outweigh all of the nasty and negative commentary by the Post and other so-called news organizations.

McCain/Palin are going to win the election by a landslide!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

As far as Sarah Palin goes:

She is no Jack Kennedy or Jackie Kennedy for that matter. She is, however, more qualified than Dan Quayl and appears to be more articulate than George Bush.

Posted by: RobLloyd | September 1, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I have give up on CNN and Larry King with their bias against the Republicans and trying to veil it in good investigative reporting. King has really gone down hill with his programs . same guests are just rotated every few weeks. Now Jesse Ventura again. Give us a Break.

Posted by: musinng | September 1, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

If the addition of Sarah Palin "boosts the ticket", it was one hell of a poor ticket! She brings nothing more than one more vote for those who believe that the issues of abortion and guns are vital to our nation's future. How "nutsy" can we get?

Posted by: David Le Vine | September 1, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Why is Karl Rove dignified with being asked his opinion about anything? He is a snake and should be allowed to remain under his rock. Now, may we please discuss the issues of these perilous times we find ourselves in? Will the Post do its duty and carry out its mission? This inanity must end now.

Posted by: jdodson | September 1, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

The fact that some of you moronic jackasses think Palin will either remove herself or be removed and be replaced by Hillary(!) of all people is one of the most incredible premises I've read on this site.
Hillary could have been President if you idiots had have chosen her instead of the basketball player with 5 months total experience, but you didn't.
Keep whining and dreaming up ludicrous scenarios; it's a real hoot.

Posted by: viejo1 | September 1, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

It is disappointing that CC had a sit-down interview with Rove and only asked puff questions.

I would certainly have cited his quote about Tim Kaine. Isn't that still applicable?

I would certainly have asked about why he refuses to testify before Congress.

I would have asked what he thought the Administration had learned from its failures during Katrina to today with Gustav. What lessons were learned, what fixes were applied, etc?

I'm a big fan of The Fix and read it every day. But CC dropped the ball here. You have a sacred trust in the media to ask tough questions and get the truth. You blew that trust today. Please try to do better tomorrow.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

You know what is really patronizing, McCain choosing a woman with no experience to be VP and thinking women will simply vote for her because she is another woman. You talk about your all time patronizing moves. Does he not realize women have the capacity to make rational decisions. Shame on McCain.

Posted by: Ruby Tuesday | September 1, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is right. Of course he knows he owns the media, like the Washington Post and they will repeat every Rove lie and ignore all the McCain and Pallin lies.

How does it feel to be a tool, Chris.

Posted by: Ken | September 1, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it Rove who predicted Clinton would be the nominee?

Posted by: piktor | September 1, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Tell me if this sounds familiar. Karl Rove on Face the Nation said of Senaotr Obama considering Tim Kaine, "With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America...So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?'"


Sarah Palin has been governor for less than Kaine, and was Mayor of Wasilla, AK, with a population of close to 6,000 people. "So if he were to pick Governor (PALIN) Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me (WOMEN)the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia."

Posted by: Tim | September 1, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of cynical Rovian politics.

What happened to country first?

McCain picked someone with ZERO foreign policy experience, non-existent academic credentials, as well as someone with little interest in world affairs. She is a heartbeat away from the presidency, and the republicans could care less.

You've lost my vote.

Posted by: catherine | September 1, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse


Congrats, Cillizza!

for your big story get. It sure was
important.

AND sooo accurate, as it turns out.
Your taste and faith in your sources is
splendid. Just like McCains'. What?

Posted by: good grief | September 1, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Keith; you are sorely mistaken.

Not sure what women you know (since I'm guessing you're not one of us) but most of us are thanking Mr. McCain for guaranteeing us a victory in November. That includes Hillary, by the way.

What a joke he has become. Pretty sad actually. Especially since I worked for his campaign in 2000.

Posted by: Smiling1 | September 1, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is interested to know what REAL Republicans think of Sarah Palen and Joe Biden, here is the poll that was done today:

http://www.gop.mfbiz.com/#/newpalinbidenpoll/4530692820

This might be a shock to some, including Rove!!!

Posted by: Democrat | September 1, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

So, Mr. Karlos von War Criminal, are you planning on making any trips to Congress this year? I can't wait to see whether you'll physically burst into flames when you finally have to put your hand on that Bible...

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Even Republican women will hate her when they hear the radio host call a cancer stricken critic of hers a b**ch and hear her laugh. It gets worse when he makes fun of her weight. I'd like to lie down in her big chair with the pluhush cushion. Ha, ha, ha is heard. It would be an honor to see you there governor. It would be an honor to have you was the reply. She will get the Hillary voters, LOL.

Posted by: Jimbo | September 1, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is interested to know what REAL Republicans think of Sarah Palen and Joe Biden, here is the poll that was done today:

http://www.gop.mfbiz.com/#/newpalinbidenpoll/4530692820

This might be a shock to some, including Rove!!!

Posted by: Democrat | September 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who Rove is talking to but in the last 24 hours I have been told by 2 Republican friends and 1 coworker that the gun toting lady doesn't impress them, they've already had her father Dick as VP. And that was ENOUGH.

They are voting for Obama, he impresses the heck out of them.

Posted by: AverageJane | September 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DM | September 1, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Jim, Sarah Palin does not have a security clearance. This has been reported all day by reputable news organizations. She was recently investigated by the FBI to confirm her eligibility for national security briefings as the VP nominee.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey, anyone have a CREDIBLE link on this seccessionist stuff? What is that all about? Saw a couple posts earlier but no detail from major news soures.

Posted by: jak2 | September 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Is Rove on drugs? Yeesh. The McCain campaign's failure to vet Sarah Palin is allowing the blogosphere to caricature and, therefore, define her. Having forever ago ceded what authority it had to report the truth, the media is taking its cue from Drudge and the blogosphere.

And, the oddest part of all of this? The local Alaska scuttlebutt had started on this story 2 weeks prior to Palin's selection. The Enquirer (of all places!!!) picked up the story the day of her announcement. The source for all of their information? Levi Johnston and his sister's MySpace pages.

How fitting that the campaign of a 72 year old man who has previously admitted his technophobia has neglected to check, of all things, a social networking site for potential opposition research.

All of us Republicans should be embarrassed that this man is our nominee. This is political malpractice.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse


Well...
clearly if you're goona find out about Palin the person NOT to ask is herself.

She's such a perfect right wing, evangelical, conservative high minded honest little darling. So far.

THe more they protest, the dirtier they are. Get to know one and find out for yourself.

Posted by: oh, so more of the same | September 1, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks.

It's on PERMANENT ACTIVE DUTY, unlike other Guard units. As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's.

She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force, ASDF, a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans. Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska's proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don't even know about.

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I just love Karlos von Rove's cheap shot at Obama's convention speech. The Democrats did everything right at the convention, from Michelle Obama to Ted Kennedy to the Clintons, and Obama hit his pitch out right of the park. He even convinced my wife, who has been waffling for months.

I hear that the Republicans needed to find an organist to play the music at their funeral this week, Mr. Rove...

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse


The talk of women being insulted by McCain's pick is ludicrous.

All the women I know are thankful to McCain. Obama is the one who insulted them.

They know Obama had the option of choosing Hillary for VP which would have been the wise thing to do since she is more qualified than all the others, including him, combined, and is the winner of the People's Votes.

McCain did not have the option of choosing Hillary.

But, he still did the right thing by putting his trust and confidence in a woman, a very accomplished woman.

We all know Gov. Palin doesn't compare to Hillary, but Obama and Biden don't either.

So, BO, you blew it. McCain-Palin will win this one. Then it's HILLARY-ANYBODY 2012.

Posted by: Keith | September 1, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse


Rove? Rove? Mouthing off abut what is
and isn't going to happen?

Rove? A spokesman, the wise man of the party? wCan't even laugh at that. Just
grimace in disgust.

Posted by: grim grimace | September 1, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Rove is pitiful. Isn't this the same guy that said the governor of Virginia would be a bad pick for Obama because he had only two years of experience as governor. This guy is a proven liar who barely escaped being set to jail for his role in "Spygate." Why feature him on here?

Posted by: Nana | September 1, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH

ABC, NBC and AP REPORTING MCCAIN CAMP IS "RE-VETTING" SARAH.

A TEAM OF 10-WAS DISPATCHED TO ALASKA THIS AFTERNOON.

McCain is in over his head.

Posted by: Bob | September 1, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Mccain made a huge mistake chosing Palin. Palin or her daughter are not good role models for women like Hillary and Chelsea are. Mccain made his first presidential decision and it is a disaster. The more I learn about Palin the more I believe Mccain should never be president.

Posted by: amosdefnails | September 1, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Condi Rice? A closeted lesbian on the ticket? I think not. Plus, she ignored Al Qaeda until 9/11.

Posted by: DemoDevil | September 1, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH

FATHER OF PALIN'S UNWED DAUGHTER HAS ANOTHER CHILD FROM A PREVIOUS GIRL FRIEND HE DID NOT MARRY.

WILL THIS NEVER END????

SEE HIS WEBSITE

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=7775827

Posted by: Bob North Smithfield | September 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

So when hockey mom is pulled from the ticket next week, will those 2-3 points go away?

Posted by: DemoDevil | September 1, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Is Karl Rove running John McCain's campaign from a distance? Does he also expect to run John McCain's administration from a distance?

Is John just so mentally deteriorated that he doesn't realize it, or doesn't he care. The same people who talked him into Sarah Palin for VP, (since he obviously had no real gauge of her life or character to decide for himself will be talking him into the return of AGAG, Harriet Meyers for White House Chief of Staff, Mukasey for Supreme Court.

Since John doesn't have the mental capacity to see the problems with Sarah Palin, he doesn't have the mental capacity to appoint honest and effective heads to Government Departments. Some back room mechanic is in there fixing the Federal Government REAL GOOD.

Sarah Palin is the ultimate test of John's judgment.

He fails, dismally.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | September 1, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Har Dee Har Har, Mr. Rove...

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

KARL ROVE'S COMMENTS: THE DESPERATION OF DISINFORMATION

PREDICTION: PALIN IS HISTORY BY NOON TUESDAY.

WHAT THEN?

• Condi? Or even... HILLARY?!

Chris:

It should be obvious by now that Sarah Palin will withdraw her name from consideration, probably by noon tomorrow or Wednesday.

I believe Karl Rove is "playing" you and Meacham, because that is his "sport."

When you take the disinfo bait, as you did, he gets some momentary gratification, which will dissipate as events of tomorrow or Wednesday unfold.

There is no way Palin survives. She's dead moosemeat. The center right is abandoning her, and that faction joins the haard right in its contempt for McCain over this avoidable Northern Exposure.

McCain should have known the ramifications of the Brisol preggo disclosure. He exhibited poor judgment; Palin never should have gotten past the vetting stage. McCain and his people forgot that in "values voter" politics, it's FAMILY first.


The big question is: Will McCain have another name at the ready, so as to deflect attention from this farce? And will it be a name so BIG, so HUGE, so VETTED, that there will be scant possibility of scandal or legal impediment?

The name that immediately comes to my mind is: Condi Rice.

Condi keeps the woman thing in play...

...it matches the Dems on the racial front...

...and it keeps the Bushies happy, something that McCain knows he has to do in order to survive in today's GOP.

There's another radical, outside-the-box possibility that would be even MORE outrageous than Sarah Palin, and would GUARANTEE that Palin's name and her family issues would be consigned to the dustbin of political history.

And that name is: HILLARY!

McCain would win in a landslide with Hillary on the ticket, and he would in one bold swoop, change the political ideology of the GOP, moving its base from far-right to center-right.

Why did Hillary's brother meet recently with Carly Fiorina and the McCain people? This already could be in the works; I read on a right-wing blog last night that it's the hard right's biggest fear.

If McCain picked Hillary, he would raise the ire of the Bushies, the other neo-cons, and the neo- Military-Industrial Statists.

But what could they do now, what with a truncated convention and Hurricane Gustav?

At McCain's age, maybe he no longer fears the serious repercussions that a Hillary gambit surely would provoke.

Perhaps you could move this conversation forward by asking your readers: After Palin: What Happens Next?

I'm betting that "after" starts tomorrow (Tues.) by noon Eastern.

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1

Posted by: scrivener | September 1, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

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