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Sunday Talk Shows: Who Won the Gold?

The Fix has officially caught Olympic fever -- in spite of NBC's relentless promotion of beach volleyball in prime time -- and so when we watched the cavalcade of vice presidential wannabes yesterday on the Sunday talk shows, we couldn't help but think of it in terms of the ongoing Beijing games.

And, what better way to invoke the Olympics than to award a gold, silver and bronze medal to the three best performances from yesterday's festivities? Below you'll find our medal picks. Agree or disagree? Sound off in the comments section below.

GOLD: Gov. Tim Kaine (Va.) on "Meet the Press" -- If there were any lingering questions about whether Kaine is ready for the national stage, they were erased during his virtuoso performance on the crown jewel of Sunday talk shows. Paired with Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.), Kaine came off as reasonable and down to earth even while sticking a rhetorical knife into John McCain whenever he could. On Iraq, he dismissed McCain as the "sole cheerleader" for an unending commitment of American troops in the country and argued that the focus of McCain -- and the Bush Administration -- on Iraq had taken attention from other important challenges including Russia's growing desire to expand its borders. On the two toughest questions of the interview -- his interest in the vice presidency and his abortion stance -- Kaine's talents stood out. On the former, he said that his mom loved all the vice presidential talk (a GREAT talking point -- humble and humorous) but quickly turned the question to a list of Obama's skills to be president. On the latter, Kaine successfully handled the issue of his own opposition to abortion, citing his Catholic faith while pivoting to note that Obama understood the moral implications of the issue and the need to reduce the number of abortions in the country. (An interesting sidenote: Kaine seemed to benefit from being on set with fill-in "Meet" moderator David Gregory; Jindal was on a remote satellite connection and as a result seemed less a part of the conversation.)

SILVER: Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) on "Face the Nation" -- Bayh is criticized -- usually fairly -- for his lack of flair as a candidate. Democratic insiders worry he is too nice to serve as the lead attack dog on the ticket and that his record -- voting for the war in Iraq, most notably -- is too different from Obama's to make him an effective surrogate. Bayh and his campaign team are surely aware of that criticism and yesterday's performance on "Face the Nation" seemed to suggest that there is more to Evan Bayh than first meets the eye. (The Fix: a poet and he didn't know it!). Bayh had the line of the morning -- "We are not all Georgians now" -- and repeatedly and aggressively went after not just McCain but also his foe on the show -- Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R). After Pawlenty attacked Obama for standing by his opposition to the surge, Bayh responded incredulously: "Tim, you opposed the surge....I read about it in your hometown newspaper." Pawlenty was rocked back on his heels, noting that he had said at the time that he was "skeptical" of the surge. Bayh even found a way to use the anti-Obama book by Jerome Corsi ("The Obama Nation") as a talking point against the Arizona senator -- noting that the "old John McCain" would have denounced it while the "new John McCain" embraces it. Did Bayh do enough? Who knows. But he acquitted himself quite well in what was widely being cast as a preview of the vice presidential debate.

BRONZE: Mitt Romney (R-Mass.) on "This Week" -- Romney's transformation from leading McCain critic to leading McCain advocate has been one of the most fascinating -- and fun to watch -- storylines of the veep stakes. Romney, as he proved during the primary season, is a solid and reassuring presence on television. But, his new wrinkle seems to be an intimate familiarity with McCain's record and an ability to speak fluently about it. Using the Russia-Georgia conflict as a jumping off point, Romney echoed the McCain campaign's talking points that "in a dangerous and troubled world" only the Arizona senator has the requisite experience to be president. Romney also successfully parried an argument by former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) that Obama had demonstrated superior judgment in a series of foreign policy decisions over the last few years by noting: "Judgment comes from experience." Romney even rolled out a bit of news -- the possibility of stripping the 2014 Winter Olympics from Russia as a penalty for its incursion into Georgia. Although Romney's star seems to be descending in the veepstakes, he showed yesterday that even if he is not the pick, he will be a force to be reckoned with on the national stage for years to come.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 18, 2008; 12:07 PM ET
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It's time for the Democratic Party to unite, no matter who is chosen for the VP nomination. When are the Clinton supporters going to realize that many of those who supported Obama for the nomination were voting against Clinton, for a Clinton-alternative, as much as they were supporting Obama?

Most of those on the left became weary of the Clintons long ago. We were sufficiently intelligent to realize that rekindling the conflict-oriented, polarized, politics of the past 28 years was not the way to go to win in 2008. Clinton showed a FAILURE of LEADERSHIP in joining with Bush to commence war in Iraq, and then once it was clear that Bush/Cheney lied about the WMD in Iraq to prosecute the war, Clinton refused to denounce her cataclysmic lapse in judgment.

Those who tried to present Clinton's First Lady years as evidence of her preparedness to be President need to be reminded that she was an abject FAILURE at the single public policy task she commandered---Health Care Policy Reform. Hillary Clinton refused to work with Senator Moynihan and others on Capitol Hill who attempted to persuade her to involve Congressional Democrats to a greater extent. As a result of the Hillary Clinton-style leadership on Health Care, Democrats lost control of Congress in 1994, after controlling the House for 40 years.

And yet many of these folks, who claim to be Democrats (and I'd really like to hear their voting histories), are now saying they will support an out-of-touch, dirty-politics, right-winger like McCain? I think they are not real Democrats if they do so.


Posted by: OHIO CITIZEN | August 20, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Romney/McCain '08. ANY other choice would be foolish for the Republicans in a year that is about the economy.

Posted by: Jed | August 19, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Peter | August 19, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I guess the only way you would be happy is if he [Chris] pretended that each side performed equally well, huh?

Posted by: PeixeGato | August 18, 2008 2:05 PM

He's done that too!

Posted by: aleks | August 19, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Evan Bayh? I've heard he would bring Mark Penn into the campaign. If Penn truly wants a Democrat to be president, he needs to keep his aura well clear of the Obama operation.

As long as he doesn't introduce Penn into the mix, Bayh seems OK. He's from a state next door to Illinois, though.

Posted by: Viejita del oeste | August 18, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Pastor Warren should have asked about the morality of Iraq war? He should have asked whether it was a Just war?

Is waging war pro-life?

If Mccain can chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell then why he is against chasing Bin laden to the Gates of FATA area in Pakistan?

Was lies by politican(Bush Administration) evil?

Posted by: sam69 | August 18, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Rather than stand up to conflict, most of the women trapped in the bodies of the men (above) would rather take a good screwing from the Putin's and Hu's of the world, than to grow a pair.

I know, let's all kum-ba-yah it all away. Can't wait to get in touch with my feelings!

Maybe Obama will pick Ellen de Generate for Veep - after all, she's SO delicious! Plus, it'll pay ot have another man in the House!!

Posted by: Wa Wa Wa | August 18, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Romney is the best choice for MAC VP. There is not other option. Our economy, world position and most importantly - our FAMILIES depending on the MAC/ROMNEY ticket. There are certainly + and - to all candidates but these two are the best for what we need now. Without Romney there is no one in the running who has a track record with building the economy and strong families.

Posted by: David | August 18, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

If the criteria for the veep selection is now foreign affairs experience & not the role of a successor in waiting- why select anybody that voted for the war? In other words why hasn't the speculation rested on that quadrennial favorite Bob Graham . He voted against the war& tried to get his colleagues to do their job & read the intelligence reports He was an icon in the swing state Florida & at 72 he won't have a counter agenda set for 2016. Judgment
& experience will help the ticket

Posted by: robert | August 18, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Quick fact-check: The mainstream media reports that Saddleback was somewhat of a setup. BO's opponent had the questions (and therefore the answers) ahead of time, allegedly. NYT's Kristol had to backtrack from his earlier flat denial of the setup. See Huffington Post. With that disadvantage, Barry rocked.

Cap

Posted by: Captain America | August 18, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"...The smart thing for him to do to recover would be to pick HRC for VP..."

That is a terrible idea. Hillary seeks not the Vice-Presidency but a co-Presidency. No thanks, we don't need two chief executives (three if you count Bill).

Posted by: RealChoices | August 18, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, I don't think the Sunday shows mattered much because Obama blew it again at Saddleback. The smart thing for him to do to recover would be to pick HRC for VP and get some excitement into the convention by giving Wexler some prime time.

That's not going to happen. I now believe Biden will be Obama's choice and the plan will be to run the same surrender campaign that Gore and Kerry did.

I wouldn't mind seeing a mutiny of Obama super-delegates to Clinton and let her pick Obama and nail it down. A loss to McCain would be a huge mess for Obama but it's seeming inevitable now. I've really lost a lot of respect for the guy over the last 7 weeks and have tried hard to be tolerant of these tactics, but he looks weak.

Posted by: DexterManley | August 18, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

WorseThanBush.org

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I hear that barry is sucking down a pack and half today of kool Menthols watching a rerun of the Saddleback forum.

Posted by: dano | August 18, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

After the events of the past several weeks it doesn't seem to matter who Obama picks, he simply is woefully unqualified for POTUS. At the rate that his campaign is unraveling the Democrats are facing not only a GOP landslide but are facing extinction.

Posted by: Dora L. | August 18, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Chris as we're seen in the pass the Political Journalist were wrong about Iowa big time. It's been down hill since then. The smartest move would be for Obama to pick the person who could bring millions of votes to his side. You've name some good people but who are they and can they bring votes. Hillary has a base of 18 million who can match that number?
McCain needs a President not a VP. Teflon John needs a person who knows how to run the White House and remember what's going on in the World. A person who knows Putin isn't the President of Russia he's the Prime Minister now. In other words someone who can do the job McCain can't, that is to be President.

Posted by: Jackie | August 18, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

>>>> I saw Face the Nation yesterday and the charge that Evan Bayh is bland is way off-base--he was excellent. I think he would be the perfect choice for Obama. I'm an undecided but with Bayh on the ticket I'd definitely swing over.

Posted by: Kevin | August 18, 2008 5:47 PM <<<

I agree 100% with Bayh performance. I am also undecided if there are any left. I could go either way. Senator Bayh is definitely plus for me.

Posted by: Paul | August 18, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain!!! ANYBODY BUT THAT TWO FACED PRICK, MITT ROMNEY.

Posted by: Bobster | August 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Totally in agreement with The Fix's assessments of Kaine and Bayh Sunday. Both were very strong. I was pleasantly surprised at Kaine's level of preparedness and humor, as well as his lucidness across a fairly wide range of issues. Bayh continues to show he'd be no soft touch if selected. I'd be confident with either in a VP debate, especially if McCain selects someone other than Romney.

Of course, Biden is a proven skilled debater, and he certainly has demonstrated deep knowledge of issues across the board, so would definitely fit the "attack dog" role. Plus he's always been something of a personal favorite. As a Democrat who is a progressive, but who puts Winning above Absolutism, I'd be satisfied with any of the three as VP.

Posted by: OHIO CITIZEN | August 18, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I saw Face the Nation yesterday and the charge that Evan Bayh is bland is way off-base--he was excellent. I think he would be the perfect choice for Obama. I'm an undecided but with Bayh on the ticket I'd definitely swing over.

Posted by: Kevin | August 18, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

rss - Romney? Your living in a fantasy land. Romney's spoiled brats sat out the invasion of Iraq. They were too busy making money on Wall Street - a lot of it from people who have lost their homes and jobs! One thing you can COUNT ON is that coming up in a General Election with his mug on the ticket. "Romney, the man with the spin of a jellyfish", "Romney, the father of a familiy of super patriots who too cowardly to serve", "The Romney's -making money (for themselves!) not war", "Romney? lost your house, you job? Vote for him and your kids will cease to be a burden...he'll kill them in some foreign war that his kids wont be anywhere near", "Bush/Romney/McCain - the men who bled our military dry, wrecked our economy, in a phony war on terror. The choice of Putin!", etc.

Posted by: MikeB | August 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

What this tells me is if Kaine or Bayh had been the Democratic nominee the Dems would be up by 20 points by now... But instead of picking a center right candidate.. like the ones the Dems took back control of the Congress with.. they pick Obama?? No wonder in a year like this the election is to close to call... Romney again shows why he is the strongest pick for VP... McCain would be foolish to pick someone else

Posted by: rss | August 18, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

For KOZ (SnObama) -
I will bleed this country dry. I will so overextend our military, so mistreat our wounded veterans and their families that we are rendered impotent. I will blindly support a phony war on terror for cheap oil and, when that falls apart, will advocate staying there with a new excuse every week anbd blame the last patriots left in this country, liberals, for my failure. I will participate in the wholesale export of our manufacturing base, reducing the "factory of democracy" (as the U.S. was called in the Second World War) to a collection of minimum wage fast food vendors. I will give our hi tech jobs to cheap foreign workers and will cleverly justify this bit of treason by alternately claiming that the U.S. workers just aren't qualified enough (when veryone knows they are) or will blather on and on about free enterprise (when my perversion of that was warned against by Jefferson and Madison and *all* of the Founding Fathers). I will advocate this treason and call it "free trade". I will denigrate anyone as unpatriotic that criticizes our dismantling of the United States while waving my pathetic made in China flag. What a jerk!

Posted by: MikeB | August 18, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Kaine would be a horrile pick as the VP candidate. Besides his anti-choice stance (which would anger the Democratic base - despite the fact that Obama understands Kaine's reasoning), his poor management of Virginia (he is no Mark Warner) including their budget situation (although all states are dealing with that) combined with his complete inability to work with his state's legislature (Virginia seems to have NO transportation policy at the moment) would be fodder for Republican attacks. I really don't see what Kaine brings to the ticket. As a non-party affiliated independent voter, I would consider his selection of Kaine as poor judgement which would make me less inclined to vote for him.

As for McCain, I think he would be best served selecting someone who really does balance him out and Romney would be that guy. Jindal is waaaay too young and inexperienced and it just seems to me that some of the other governors out there all have a major piece lacking (although Pawlenty I think would be the best contender of the governor-bunch). The economy will be a major, if not THE, issue on Election Day (most people seem to have one issue on their minds when they go into the voting booth) and if Romney could truly shore up McCain on the economy front, that could give him the edge he needs.

Posted by: JLF | August 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Jaycee,

Rev. Warren has already stated that he gave a general outline of the types of questions to both candidates before the 'discussion'.

Like anyone who wants to prepare themself before an event of this type, Senator Obama did some research of what Rev. Warren had already written on the issue, and it is considerable and in quite some detail.

Then, he listened to the ENTIRE question that Rev. Warren asked before he responded.

On the other hand, we have this from the 'discussion' with McCain:

"Warren to McCain: About 80 percent of America says they support merit pay for the best teachers. Now, I don’t want to hear your stump speech on education--

"Mccain: Yes. Yes. And find bad teachers another line of work."

'Yes. Yes.' In response to what questions? There were not yet any questions asked by the pastor, were there? If so, what were they?

Senator Obama was at all times respectful of Rev. Warren. McCain was constantly interrupting and starting his response before the end of the question.

McCain is running a campaign on the premise that his is the 'Straight Talk Express'. If McCain is such a straight talker, why the white lie about the 'cone of silence' he wasn't in for the entire time Rev. Warren was having a discussion with Senator Obama?

'Listening through the walls'??????????

Posted by: Critter69 | August 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Damn John we can't just blow up Russia, it would make us look bad for invading Iraq. Wait! who's gonna care, BLOW THEM UP!

OK how about Osama bin Missin I know where he is! we'll just blow up that country, who cares if we kill a couple of thousand innocent people, I'm the President! I can do what I want!

Hell hath no fury like a old guy scorned !

Posted by: kentaylor1 | August 18, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

See McCain talk about in detail his failed first marriage. He Cheated? Cindy was a mistress? http://www.mccanes.com

McCain and Obama leaning to embrace the pickens energy plan. http://www.boonepicken.com

Posted by: Peter | August 18, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Some of Huck's Army has gone rouge., theyve started a petition asking Huckabee to leave the GOP, and start a new party. http://www.mccanes.com/newparty.html


Romney cant be VP, if McCain wants to win.
He went too far durning the primary. Even
a video of romney calling McCain dishonest.
http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The level of some of the posts is really overboard. It's gpong to be a long 3 months.

Posted by: patrick nyc | August 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

You want to know the truth? Check this article then - dated 06.07.2008,

"Military sources confirm: Russia to start war against Georgia this summer"

Russian KGB portal Forum.msk was referring to the famous Russian military analyst Pavel (Paul) Felgenhauer when it confirmed Kavkaz Center's information that Russia will launch an aggressive war against Georgia this coming August.

According to Felgenhauer, "Putin's circle has already adopted a decision to launch a war with Georgia in August".

The expert pointed out that Russia will employ the following scenario:

"An armed conflict may get started, first just as a clash, and then uncontrollable escalation will begin, and it will develop into a war."

In case of Russian aggression, the Georgian side, in turn, according to Felgenhauer, is ready to expand the scope of the war into the Caucasus Emirate, which is occupied by Russia, -- the area where military operations have apparently been on the increase lately.

"The war will engulf not only Abkhazia, but South Ossetia and the North Caucasus as well. Abkhazian president Sergei Bagapsh and many in Georgia have told me that the conflict in Abkhazia will virtually inevitably engulf the North Caucasus also," the expert said.

Georgia regarded the expert's words with much attention.

"Expert Felgenhauer is a qualified specialist, so it would be wrong to ignore his warnings," Georgian ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs, Irakly Menagarishvili said.

"Russia may actually launch war operations against Georgia," as political analyst, former press secretary of Georgian ex-President Eduard Shevardnadze, Ramaz Sakvarelidze, has summarized, and then added, "Still it must be mentioned that from political standpoint this particular solution will be detrimental to Russia first of all."

Georgian military expert Irakly Sesiashvili also did not rule out that military operations may be launched between Russia and Georgia. In his opinion, Moscow will first conduct a strike on the Kodori Gorge. Also, an ethnic cleansing by Russia in Gali District of Abkhazia, populated by Georgians, may be expected.

KGB agent Baranov, the one who runs the Forum.msk website, pointed out that there is "revanchist"("chauvinist") attitude being predominant in the Russian army. On 4th of July Baranov returned from the southern city of Rostov-on-Don where he talked to the officers of the headquarters of the North Caucasus Military Circuit.

"The army wants to fight a war," this is the way Baranov characterized the atmosphere predominant in the Russian army.

Moscow threatens Georgia with a 'large-scale military conflict'

Last Saturday Russian defense ministry announced that "Georgia's plans to solve the conflict around Abkhazia by force are fraught with emerging danger of a new large-scale military conflict".

Press service of Russia's defense ministry said that Russian military "got concerned with the information voiced at the press conference in Sukhumi on July 5th, which shows that [Georgian capital] Tbilisi is now inclined to solve the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict by force," as Russian sources reported.

Earlier last Saturday president of unrecognized republic of Abkhazia, Sergei Bagapsh, announced that Georgia was allegedly preparing to attack the republic this spring. For instance, according to the Abkhazian side, a large-scale military operation aimed at taking the cities of Sukhumi, Ochamchira and Gagra was supposed to be launched from the Kodori Gorge and Zugdidi District of Georgia in April/May.

"Special attention, for example, should be paid to the documentary materials that reveal the intentions of the Georgian side to "block the observation points and checkpoints of peacekeeping forces in the security zone, as well as the headquarters of collective CIS forces supporting peace in the zone of the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict," Russian defense ministry's report says.

"Such plans, nurtured by Tbilisi, may be regarded as nothing but another step aimed at the escalation of tensions in the region, which is fraught with developing of conflicts into a new war," Russia's ministry of defense stated.

"In these conditions the leadership of Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation is stating with full responsibility that Russian peacekeeping contingent, operating in the zone of the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict, will keep on carrying out its mission in compliance with the mandate entrusted, and will be doing all it can to avoid bloodshed," the announcement says.

We would also like to remind our readers that according to the intelligence reports by special intelligence services of the Caucasus Emirate, Russia has already prepared and started implementing the plan on seizing the Kodori Gorge and provoking mass-scale destabilization in Georgia.

Special services of the Caucasus Emirate are warning that the war operation, planned out in Moscow, may be launched between August 20 and September 10, 2008.

In this connection, all statements and accusations made by Russia and Abkhazia against Georgia must apparently be viewed exclusively in the context of military conspiracy by Moscow, which has been purposefully and methodically preparing for the X-hour.


Kavkaz Center

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2008/07/06/9981.shtml

Open your eyes, Russia was always a treat to FREE europe.

Posted by: thetruth | August 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see either Kaine, or Bayh on the sunday talk shows but neither of them is a good choice. Obama seems to still believe that he is still in the primary, and not the general election where we know who the swing vote is. I.e. it is white, blue collar, patriotic and religious. Kaine isn't going to get Catholics to change their mind about voting for Obama and Bayh isn't going to win Obama Ohio or Indianna for that matter. So why choose them?

Obama needs someone who actually connects with working class voters who will decide the election this year, just like they have for the last 30 years. Gee I wonder who that could be, lol.

Posted by: DCDave | August 18, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

scrivener --

You just never give up on the Gore bit. He's not going to run. He's endorsed Obama. HILLARY's endorsed Obama. What will it take to get you to quit on this? The inauguration?

It was a good idea back in March. It's simply not realistic now.

Once again, I would think Kaine's budget problems would disqualify him.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 18, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

jaycee: Maybe Obama realized that Rick Warren is generally concerned about orphans, and researched that plan before going into the forum. Not only is that entirely ethical, it's smart. Do you have any proof that Obama was given the questions in advance, or are you just hyperventilating over nothing?

Posted by: Blarg | August 18, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

MSNBC, "THE PLACE FOR POLITICS" (?) STILL RUNNING OLYMPICS, WHILE...

CNBC is back to business.

Bye bye, MSNBC daytime, where news apparently is expendable, during one of the biggest news weeks in politics. Guess their daytime audience isn't big enough for them to care.

Maybe it's time for CC to go network-shopping, a la Milbank.

As for primetime, when Barnacle and Maddow become the regulars, MSNBC may again find its footing. They've become the Obamanist Network (but Andrea Mitchell did what she's supposed to do in calling out the "cone of silence").

Posted by: Friendly Fred | August 18, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

>>>Romney, "even if he is not the pick, he will be a force to be reckoned with on the national stage for years to come."

This could have been a quote from a 1965 Time magazine story about papa George Romney. This version will likely prove as accurate.

Posted by: EgoNemo | August 18, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

> Romney thinks 'judgment comes from experience'? Two words: Cheney & Rumsfeld

Oh, they have great judgment. They're just using it to make oil companies & Haliberton richer (and themselves by proxy).

Of course, then we have McCain trying to convince people that we should lower taxes for the oil companies, because then he'll be able to "shame" them into lowering gas prices. Yes, he actually said that he would "shame" those shameless companies. Unfortunately, he can't do it until he lowers their taxes.

And this is somehow better than a tax cut for the middle class. Because it's not a REAL tax cut unless you give it to rich people and it then trickles down to the little people via Voodoo Economics. Not that McCain knows anything about economics, but that's another story entirely...

Posted by: Joe | August 18, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

In the Warren debate, Obama blurted out a response to one specific question about an emergency plan to help orphans: “I cheated a little bit. I looked into this.” Um, what's that, Andrea Mitchell? You left out that little tidbit? Was Obama revealing that he somehow received Warren’s questions in advance and had time to prepare answers while McCain did not? Are you aware of the 9th of the 10 commandments: "Thou shalt not bear false witness?" You, Andrea Mitchell, like the rest of the biased MSM, should have your credentials stripped.

Posted by: Jaycee | August 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why there isn't more coverage on Mccain's hypocrisy on tort reform...Here he votes in the Senate to limit punitive damages in medical malpractice cases to $250,000 while he and his ex-wife file a lawsuit for one million in punitive damages because someone accidentally threw out some of their old momentos....Punitive damages for accidentally throwing away his old photos?

Are McCain's old photographs worth 4 times more than being paralyzed for life?

Posted by: Help I'm A Rock | August 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Romney thinks 'judgment comes from experience'? Two words: Cheney & Rumsfeld

Posted by: Scott in PacNW | August 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Chris - the real media story this weekend is the McCain camp moaning to NBC about its coverage of the campaign.

McLame is going down the same road that the Clintonistas took - their narratives don't have any traction, so they're starting to blame the media rather than themselves.

Advice for the McLame camp - if you want journalists to quit saying your candidate is a piece of $h1+, then stop being a piece of $h1+. It's that easy.

Posted by: bondjedi | August 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Although I don't think he's asking for it, the sign of the cross that will probably most help McCain ia that seen at Klan rallies whose racism seems to be about as hot as many of the bigoted bloggers appearing here and elsewhere. I note that the same fiery cross was used against Al Smith as a urban Catholic and the prejudice in American politics is unfortunately still alive and well.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | August 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree, snObama, if you were grown up, you wouldn't have this habit of childish posting on web sites.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 18, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Another John McCain War Hero Story Exposed as Fake.
John McCain’s POW -Sign of the Cross- story is a fairy tale.
McCain Stole the Story from a Book By Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

McCain began to tell the “Sign of the Cross Story” AFTER the Solzhenitsyn book came out.
As Nancy Reagen once told the LA Times: “John sure tells interesting stories....

In the McCain POW fairytale, a GUARD makes the Sign of the Cross in the sand
In Solzenitsyn’s book, a fellow PRISONER makes the Sign of the Cross in the sand

See Book Link:
http://incommunion.org/articles/previous-issues/older-issues/the-sign-of-the-cross

Earlier this year ABC News caught McCain is yet another lie about his POW days.
See Link; http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/in-pennsylvania.html


“Alexander Solzhenitsyn, bears witness to the power of the cross. After long suffering in the work camp of Siberia, he fell into despair....He saw no reason to continue living, to continue fighting the system. He thought that the rest of his life was meaningless since he would most likely die in this Siberian prison. His life made no difference in the world. So he gave up.
Laying his shovel on the ground, he slowly walked to a crude work-site bench and sat down. He knew that at any moment a guard would order him to stand up, and when he failed to respond, the guard would beat him to death, probably with his own shovel.
As he waited, head down, he felt a presence. Slowly, he lifted his eyes and saw a skinny, old prisoner squat down next to him. The man said nothing. Instead, he drew a stick through the ground at Solzhenitsyn’s feet, tracing the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work.
As Solzhenitsyn stared at the sign of the Cross. And through the power of the Cross, anything was possible.
Solzhenitsyn slowly got up, picked up his shovel, and went back to work. Nothing outward had changed, but inside, he received hope.”

Posted by: bobnsri | August 18, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

-Exposed: John McCain’s POW ‘Sign of the Cross” story is a fairy tale.
-POW Story is a total fabrication. A war hero lie!
-Stole the story from Alexander Solzenitsyn.
-McCain began to tell the “Sign of the Cross Story” AFTER the Solzhenitsyn book came out.
-As Nancy Reagen once told the LA Times: “John McCain sure tells interesting stories....”

See Book Link:
http://incommunion.org/articles/previous-issues/older-issues/the-sign-of-the-cross

--In the McCain tale, a guard “makes the Sign of the Cross in the sand”
--In Solzenitsyn’s book, a fellow prisoner makes the “Sign of the Cross in the sand”

“Alexander Solzhenitsyn, bears witness to the power of the cross. After long suffering in the work camp of Siberia, he fell into despair....He saw no reason to continue living, to continue fighting the system. He thought that the rest of his life was meaningless since he would most likely die in this Siberian prison. His life made no difference in the world. So he gave up.
Laying his shovel on the ground, he slowly walked to a crude work-site bench and sat down. He knew that at any moment a guard would order him to stand up, and when he failed to respond, the guard would beat him to death, probably with his own shovel.
As he waited, head down, he felt a presence. Slowly, he lifted his eyes and saw a skinny, old prisoner squat down next to him. The man said nothing. Instead, he drew a stick through the ground at Solzhenitsyn’s feet, tracing the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work.
As Solzhenitsyn stared at the sign of the Cross. And through the power of the Cross, anything was possible.
Solzhenitsyn slowly got up, picked up his shovel, and went back to work. Nothing outward had changed, but inside, he received hope.”

Posted by: bobnsri | August 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to what the Huck loyalist is posting here, Romney is well liked by Southern Evangelical Christians. I know because I am one.

Posted by: Bill T. | August 18, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

John McCain stole the "cross in the sand" story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4bTvhXMO7I

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | August 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

U.S. May Ease Police Spy Rules

The Justice Department has proposed a new domestic spying measure that would make it easier for state and local police to collect intelligence about Americans, share the sensitive data with federal agencies and retain it for at least 10 years.

Hi Spencer and Carrie,

I thought you may want to correct your statement to read:

"make it easier for state and local police to collect intelligence about Americans, share the sensitive data with federal agencies and ""foreign governments such as Israel and Canada"" and retain it for at least 10 years.

How do I know? Check the Globe and Mail for articles about Americans who are refused entry into Canada based on US blacklists.

Posted by: Interested Canadian | August 18, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Jersey John here.
In real estate... it is Location, Location, Location.

In politics, it is National Security, National Security, National Security. This playbook gave Cheny to Bush. For Obama it is Biden, Biden, Biden.

Posted by: jersey john | August 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

My pick would be Biden.

His huge ego would make a highlight film a week. ain't no way he'd take the job. his ego is too big.

i'd give about 2 days, then he'd have typical 'biden moment', "open mouth (wide), insert foot". Now backpedal.

Barry has enough problems of his own now. he won't go that route.

Posted by: dano | August 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

By the way, its McCain's birthday in a few weeks.

I hope there are no other important anniversaries that day...

Posted by: DDAWD | August 18, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

URGENT MUST-READ, FROM SATURDAY'S WASHINGTON POST:
THE LATEST AFFRONT TO YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS


U.S. May Ease Police Spy Rules

The Justice Department has proposed a new domestic spying measure that would make it easier for state and local police to collect intelligence about Americans, share the sensitive data with federal agencies and retain it for at least 10 years.
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By Spencer S. Hsu and Carrie Johnson


Comment:


CONGRESS MUST PROBE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ABUSES AND OVERTURN THIS DECISION -- BEFORE THIS JUDICIAL "BYPASS" TOTALLY DESTROYS THE RULE OF LAW IN AMERICA

At a time when members of government-funded volunteer "service" and "watch" organizations are accused of harassing, intimidating and possibly physically abusing citizens, the administration's defense is a "good" offense: Just say anything goes.

Local police authority has been usurped and sworn officers who are charged with protecting their communities from crime are being turned into secret agents.

We have descended into a police state; federal grants are funding the police use of dangerous "radiation energy" weapons that fire concentrated blasts of silent, invisible radiation. Victims of organized "gang stalking" allege that these weapons are being used to degrade the lives of these so-called "targets", whose lives are being financially and physically destroyed by an extra-legal "control mechanism" similar to that practiced by the Nazis, the Stasi and the KKK.

These are the "mechanics of personal destruction," using the war on terror as a convenient rationale for imposition of a police state.

Where are McCain and Obama on this? Will the national press corps even ask the question?

For more on "vigilante injustice" and "directed energy weapons," see:

http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: "IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE" - can it? | August 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Again Chris

I know I know I have been the guy for Biden for a long time but this weekend again...everyone who tried to defend the Russia/Georgia conflict lifted their statements or ideas from the OpEd that Biden and Lugar wrote in both the washington Times in April and last weeks Financial Times that Biden wrote...

including "Romney's idea" about the Olympics.

That is straight out of Biden's opening paragraph last week in the paper.

Posted by: dl | August 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain's take on taxes and the rich:

1) Rich people are unhappy
2) It takes $5 million to be rich
3) Taxes should stay low so everyone can get rich
4) Taxes should remain low for when you get rich

ergo: he wants everyone to be unhappy,
yet: he could do that a lot quicker by raising taxes

Posted by: Happy and Poor, the inseperable duo | August 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

My friends - we need to gather together to help support the most needy in our society today... the oil barons. $11 billion in profits is not enough for their wallets. I mean how can they afford a decent health care plan on profits like that? Especially when they fill my campaign coffers with their hard earned money. I remember back in 1874 when I was a teenager. We never had oil barons back then and look how horrible we lived. I didn't even have an outhouse until 1923! So gather ye together my friends and support my bestest friends in the world... ExxonMobil. Don't make them angry now!

Posted by: McSame | August 18, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

hey paul, if this is the first time you've read Chris, then maybe you should read other posts before passing judgement. There have been many blog posts where he has been accused of extolling the greatness of the Repubs as well.

So is he a Dem in your eyes simply because he believes the Dems fared better on Meet the Press yesterday? I guess the only way you would be happy is if he pretended that each side performed equally well, huh?

Hey Chris, paul thinks you are a political hack for the Dems. Sounds like you need to change the way you write so that paul will approve. LOL.

PG

Posted by: PeixeGato | August 18, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

poor snobama/zouk -- still unemployed, still a loser, still spending the whole day, every day hanging out on a website.

pathetic loser.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I love George W. Bush. He is my all time hero... ever! I love to give him big ole bear hugs and get kisses on the forehead from him. I hope I can be as good a leader as he is to America. I might do even more of what he already does... bigger is better! I can't wait to help out my friends the oil companies, DC lobbyists, and old rich men who need to be richer. I will change my position every five minutes and tell you i'm a maverick. However, I am just more of the same ole same. Won't you please vote for me?

Posted by: mcSame | August 18, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

snObama; you sound like one of McSeniles bad jokes,not FUNNY.I bet you laugh at your self like he does.OBAMA 08
Connie from Indiana

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I will continue to pretend that I am a viable Presidential candidate until the voters discover I'm not.

Fake it till you make it.

If I were actually grown up, I wouldn't have this problem.

Posted by: snObama | August 18, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

snObama... grow up! Stop pretending you are something you are not... like your war-mongering idol McSame.

Posted by: lancelot | August 18, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

First time I've read this guy. A bit partisan don't you think Chris, kinda obvious you are a democrat. Another one for your ombudsman. 3-1 coverage in the post favoring Obama and that's from your ombudsman. Sad.

Posted by: paul | August 18, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I have decided on John Kerry. Unless I change my mind, which I do a lot.

Posted by: snObama | August 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

All non-starters.

Obama goes with Dodd (if he doesn't end up the Dems' VP nominee after a Hillary-brokered unity toss to Gore).

McCain needs Huckabee, especially after his aborted wink to Ridge.

HUGE CLUE: Huckabee's HAIR. He's got a fine weave that effectively covers his widow's peaks. The man looks "10 years younger," as they say on cable.

Romney's Mormonism is a deal-killer when the base remains so uncertain about the presumptive nominee.

Pawlenty, maybe. But no excitement there.

Can McCain afford the "safe" choice? Especially since he may end up running against... Gore??

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

Posted by: scrivener | August 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to mention Andrea Mitchell. It was nice to watch a Sunday Talk Show where a press commentator was not afraid to state a fact - that McCain had NOT been in any cone of silence, he had been out of the building doing who knows what. You can tell McCain is paranoid about this outright lie because now there going to tell her boss on her (LOL)!! It is refreshing to see one person in the MSM actually challenge what the McCain campaign spins. Amazing really!! Since the MSM tends to be the lap dog of any "long-time" Washington politician and buy whatever they say instead of doing a bit of research to present an unbiased view.

Posted by: ldsrapha | August 18, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Take 'em all down a notch. Biden was in Georgia at the request of its sovereign leader. Not chattering with the talking heads. This clearly demonstrates his qualifications and I can't wait to hear him tear the McCain camp and Bush administration a new on today. His vast experience, comfort in the attack dog role, and newfound ability to stay out of the spotlight clearly give him the gold metal and the VP nomination.

Posted by: Big MIke | August 18, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

If I may one comment about Saturday evening's interview by Rick Warrren and the candidates. I know Rick is a gentle and kind Pastor but it would have been nice to have him follow up with some questions. For instance "Why did you marriage fail Sen. McCain?

"Sen. McCain, if you know how to find Bin Laden, why aren't you telling anyone?"

McCain says he puts country first but if he knows how to find Bin Laden, why is he waiting to tell anyone now instead of waiting until he might be POTUS? That certainly looks like politics before country.

Posted by: mitchell kaplan | August 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Dear Chris- I entirely agree with your assessment. I too was VERY impressed by Gov. Kaine. I think it is down to Kaine, Bayh and Biden.

I did not see Bayh but it is great to hear how well he did and how prepared he was.

Posted by: mitchell kaplan | August 18, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

If I decide on a VP running mate and it turns out that my poll numbers go down, can you press people start working on a way to make it seem like it is really good judgment to change my mind.

this is really hard. I never had to make a decision I couldn't revoke before.

Posted by: snObama | August 18, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

chris

the olympics idea was covered in Biden's OpEd ion the financial times...romeny took that from Biden.

Posted by: dl | August 18, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama Facing Attacks From All
Sides Over Abortion Record
In a filigreed response, Obama lied about people lying
about his lies. Follow?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I will surrender in the streets, I will surrender on the beaches, I will surrender in Iraq, I will surrender in Georgia. We will tolerate no pain, no sacrifice.

damn, I give good speeches.

Posted by: snObama | August 18, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

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