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The Biden Paradox: Help or Hindrance?

Joe Biden

Barack Obama took a calculated risk in choosing Joe Biden as a running mate. In the wake of some recent gaffes, some wonder if it will pay off. (Steve Helber -- AP)

Over the last week, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden -- the Democrats' vice presidential nominee -- has made national news for the following events:

• Telling CBS's Katie Couric that an ad hitting John McCain on his lack of computer literacy, an ad sponsored by Barack Obama's campaign, was "terrible", and adding that he was unaware the campaign had done it and wished they hadn't. (Biden later sought to clarify his position in a statement last night; "Having now reviewed the ad, it is even more clear to me that given the disgraceful tenor of Senator McCain's ads and their persistent falsehoods, his campaign is in no position to criticize," Biden said.)

• Being scolded by Obama -- in an interview with NBC's Matt Lauer yesterday morning -- for getting in front of the nominee on the bailout of re-insurance giant AIG. Biden had previously said he opposed the bailout while Obama chose not to take a position on the move. "I think that in that situation, I think Joe should have waited as well," Obama told Lauer.

Asking a reporter for the Washington Post whether he had ever played football and then, when learning said reporter had not played football, telling him he needed to work on his "pecs."

• Seemingly flip-flopping on his support/opposition for clean coal technology, telling a woman on a rope line in Ohio that he opposed clean coal plants being built in the United States (but not China), a seeming contradiction to Obama's support for clean-coal technology. (The Obama campaign released a statement Tuesday blaming any misunderstanding on the matter on the "dishonorable" campaign of McCain; "Senator McCain knows that Senator Obama and Senator Biden support clean coal technology," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor. "Senator Biden's point is that China is building coal plants with outdated technology every day, and the United States needs to lead by developing clean coal technologies."

That's not exactly the hit list Obama was hoping for when he named the Delaware Senator as his running mate. And yet, it's obvious to any political observer paying attention that Obama and those senior aides closest to him were well aware for Biden's shoot-from-the-hip tendencies and made the calculation that his foreign policy credentials and his willingness to take the bark off of McCain were ultimately more important than the gaffes he made on the campaign trail.

In light of the recent spate of bad national headlines for Biden, some within the party's professional class are wondering whether the equation involved in picking Biden is starting to not add up.

(For the record, The Fix is well aware of the rampant blogosphere rumor that Biden is planning to step aside as vice president early next month to make room for Hillary Rodham Clinton. That will happen, to quote Montgomery Burns, "when pigs fly.")

The Fix spoke with several unaligned Democratic strategists over the last 24 hours and several expressed serious concern about the impact Biden has had on the race in the last weeks.

"He has great skills and tremendous power to connect, especially with the very voters that the campaign desperately needs," said one senior party operative. "But the fear is that he is exceeding the one small gaffe per week quota that the political market had built into his stock price. If he can't keep his foot out of his mouth, he will turn from a real asset to a liability."

Biden's occasional verbal slips are, as anyone who has spent time around the affable Biden, nothing new. What's changed? Two words: Sarah Palin. The emergence of Palin as a rock star in the campaign -- or, at least, in the Republican party, has driven most coverage of Biden from the television airwaves or the newspaper front pages.

As the New York Times' Mark Leibovich writes in a sterling profile of Biden:

"But the reality for Mr. Biden is that while running mates are second-fiddlers by definition, the phenomenon of Ms. Palin has rendered him something of a fourth or fifth fiddle. It is not like last month, when reporters swarmed Mr. Biden's Delaware home and delegates swooned at the Democratic convention. He is now trailed by just a few national reporters, and struggling to break through in a race marked by historic firsts, political celebrities and charismatic newcomers -- none named Joe Biden."

Because so much of the media's attention has been devoted to Palin since her surprise selection as McCain's vice presidential pick late last month, the only time Biden is able to break through the clutter at the national level is when he commits some sort of verbal gaffe. (Insert criticism of media for its focus on all the wrong things here.)

"He's been completely overshadowed by Palin," said another Democratic operative watching the race closely. "Maybe he can regain some traction in a debate, but the buzz after his selection paled next to the buzz after hers."

So, is Biden ultimately a help or a hindrance to the campaign?

Those close to the Obama campaign insist that they are entirely pleased with the role Biden has played so far, noting that he draws considerable positive coverage as he tours he country on behalf of the nominee -- a phenomenon that even those most suspicious about Biden also acknowledge.

In response to a Fix inquiry about Biden's local coverage, David Wade, a spokesman for the vice president sent over scads of clips, a few of which are linked here.

"Joe Biden is getting the job done every day, and I guarantee Joe Biden will be Mr. October," added Wade. "He's a closer. He's the vice presidential nominee you want slugging it out in the late innings when proven campaign skills, intestinal fortitude, expertise, and experience matter most. In a big issue election where the small bore ghosts of elections past seem trivial, this is about substance not splash, steak not sizzle."

And, polling suggests that voters -- both nationally and in key battleground states -- like Biden and believe Obama made a solid choice in naming the Delaware senator as his running mate.

In polls conducted in Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin by Quinnipiac University for washingtonpost.com and the Wall Street Journal, Biden's favorable rating in each state was at least 11 points higher than his unfavorable rating. By comparison, Palin's favorable rating outstripped her unfavorable score by eight points in Colorado, 11 points in Michigan, 10 points in Minnesota and nine points in Wisconsin.

That same series of polls revealed that a majority (or close to it) in each state believed that Biden has been a "good choice" for vice president; Biden's best states were Colorado and Minnesota where 52 percent said he had been a good choice while Wisconsin was his worst with 47 percent saying he had been a good choice.

Nationally, too, Biden continues to poll well. In the Post/ABC News poll conducted earlier this month, 51 percent of the sample felt favorably toward Biden while 32 percent felt unfavorably. And, 54 percent said that Obama's pick of Biden made them "more confident" in the choices the Illinois senator would make as president while 39 percent said it made them less confident.

What gives? Biden appears to be a victim of circumstances beyond his control -- most notably the emergence of Palin as the co-nominee of her party and the resultant crush of press coverage.

Biden continues to fulfill the traditional role of a running mate; he is going to second and third tier media markets in the Rust Belt -- Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan -- bashing McCain and Palin and drawing positive press coverage in the process.

"I think when all is said and done, we will see that one of the candidates indeed picked a game-changer," predicted Democratic strategist Steve Bouchard. "The surprise is that the game changer is Joe Biden. Stabilizing, firm, experienced and unquestionably qualified."

That Biden's efforts are not breaking through to the national media have much more to do with the unique tandem campaign McCain and Palin are running than anything Biden is doing.

"In some respects, his selection has been a microcosm for the Obama campaign's summer: a missed opportunity," explained a Democratic consultant provided anonymity to speak candidly. "They could have generated significant excitement with a more 'groundbreaking' pick but played it safe with Biden. They could have shaken things up with a big moment last week when the economic crisis unfolded but kept their cards close."

There is clearly an ongoing debate in the Democratic chattering class over whether Biden is doing everything right or everything wrong on the campaign trail these days. The truth, as always, lies somewhere in between. But, the continued speculation about whether he was the right pick is a distraction, not something Obama's campaign needs with less than six weeks before the presidential vote.

The truth is that we won't know whether Biden (or, for that matter, Palin) was the right pick or not until the elections results are in. And maybe not even then.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 24, 2008; 6:18 AM ET
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Leaders Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid had the power as leaders to do something about America’s national financial crisis over their last couple of years in Congress. Bush is responsible for signing bills into law, but Pelosi and Reid have the responsibility to set the country's legislative agenda and provide leadership to pass financial institution laws and banking regulations, but they both ignored the looming loan crisis until the very last minute. They failed our nation big time and should resign.

The senators and House leaders on the senate and house banking committee's should also resign because they failed to take action, when they were fully aware the country would eventually face a liquidity and banking crisis. They failed the nation along with the rest of the senate and house that relies on their banking committee to hold hearings, write banking laws and provide legislative oversight of our banking institutions.

The leadership in the White House - Bush, Senate - Harry Reid, House - Nancy Pelosi, and both Democrats and Republican's on the banking committees have failed to provide leadership and foresight to protect and regulate our nations financial system and institutions. Over the years Greenspan warned them that the increasing national debt was unsustainable that could lead to a national financial crisis if other countries lose confidence in our financial system and stop buying our national debt.

Congress just continues to overspend the nations money, give political favors to financial company's that give them political contributions, and add billions of dollars of earmarks for unneeded pork projects and possible fraud.

Did Congress and Bush really think they could run up the national debt forever and the rest of the world would continue to finance all of the nation's debt with a falling dollar? What about worthless American housing loan securities that they bought that are now becoming worthless? No! Now the world is slowly stopping to buy our debt and our nation may go bankrupt. Our only solution is to print more money to make up the difference, only leading to a lower dollar. This in turn may require the fed to increase interest rates to a premium to eventually attract more foreigners to buy more of our risky national debt due to a declining dollar at the expense of our own economy.

Bush, Pelosi and Reid had the legislative and executive power to prevent this nation’s financial crisis but they simply ignored it until the nations financial institutions practically crashed.

Now all American's will suffer, but they will now just continue to blame each other or the other political party, when they were all to blame.

Bush, Reid and Pelosi should all leave office because they over time allowed the nations financial crisis to evolve and continue to get worse until it practically crashed, all on their watch as national leaders. There is a reason that both Bush and Congress have low national approval ratings, it is because they as leaders they have failed to make American better over the years. If either Obama or McCain is elected both leaders in congress should step down so congress can start fresh with new House and Senate leadership so congress once again can gain the confidence and approval of the American public.

The "time of change is now" and we need national leaders to put the "country first" over party politics’ and corporate political donations influences that have led the country to the biggest country's financial crisis since the great depression.

Right now Obama and McCain should both be very involved with what congress is doing with the bailout because it is going to greatly impact their potential presidency in a few months and one of them will need to fix this country’s financial mess as president.

Posted by: edabelia | September 28, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, I saw the debate.
At least Biden was on the tube, unlike Palin.

I believe John McCain is a rare individual of awesome power, but he is not executive material, and would be dangerous in such capacity.

I wonder what life would be like today if McCain were president during the Cuban missile crisis, with all the hawks screaming "Invade now!", unaware of the island's tactical nukes. Thankfully, a cool JFK was instead on watch.

And I wonder about the Korean War, when Mac wanted to chase the chinese into china with nuclear weapons. Imagine if bushie were president then, a man unable to control his hawks. Fortunately, a much stronger executive had a handle on his brilliant yet narrow minded "maverick", and we did not end up in a much larger conflict.

I do not fault McCain for voting to attack Iraq. Attack is what hawks do. Avoiding war in the first place is a (competent) president's job, and something that Obama clearly would have done, of course. Unfortunately, we had a weak executive at the time and the hawks flew the coup.

I dont fault Obama for voting against the surge. He is not a military man, and would be no more good at advising the nuts and bolts of conflict than a hawk like McCain could in avoiding such conflict in the first place. I expect the executive to keep us out, like Obama would have, not run the ground war.

McCain said in the debates that he would fight in Iraq for the honor of those service persons who have died there, so their deaths were not in vain. This is typical hawkish simpleton black and white view that can only see the end of his beak and not the larger picture or even why we fight.

McCain is wrong. There is no way to die in vain in service to the USA. Military action sends a clear message to anyone wanting to steal America's freedom to think again, regardless of the overall military success of the conflict.

McCain's doctrine of no deaths unavenged is nonsense, otherwise we would reinvade the Korean peninsula and reengage in Indochina. McCain just doesn't get it.

Only a McCain, or perhaps a Klingon, could possibly think its possible to die in vain in service to your country. This doctrine of his is a recipe for future, more protracted wars.

Also in-line with his narrow, laser beam, simpleton view is that of Americans in general, across all classes. He believes only the top 5% can create jobs, and tax cuts to these people will take care of the apparently unwashed 95% of Americans.

This is an ancient, worn out, failed notion. Those 5% at one time were among the 95%. A break for the middle class would engage a huge number of Americans, innovative, creative Americans, not to mention increase consumer spending.

McCain also wants to put us on a collision course with Russia by rushing former satellites into NATO ASAP. This is reckless; all things have their moment an now is not the moment to be pushing the Russians further. Hawks, by their nature, always think the time is NOW, just like McCain running off to Washington. That was no stunt; that was John McCain. Hardly cool, executive material.

John McCain's impulsive, simplistic manor was on full display last Friday evening, with the simpleton cure to spending to just freeze it and veto everything. Thats a laser-beam narrow minded hawk focus for you, devoid of the bigger picture.

Obama wants measured cuts based upon our morals and needs. A McCain weight loss program would be a feeding freeze; an Obama plan a healthy diet and exercise.

McCain said throughout the debate that Obama just didn't understand. Its the other way around, John, and Im not even scratching the surface on you.

McCain believes we are not fostering a second cold war through our incompetent foreign policy. But then again, this is a man that didn't even see the train wreck of the economy burning in front of him.

Hawks like McCain, seeing only the target immediately in front of them, see only the small picture, usually in cross hairs. Thats what makes a great military man, a great warrior, and we need such magnificent individuals to carry out the will of the executive.

But we do not need such individual as the executive.

Posted by: bushieisa | September 28, 2008 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Biden's favorability/unfavorability spread is 16 pts favorable, the same as Obama's. McCain's is 12 pts due to both a couple of points lower fav's and a couple of points higher unfav's. Palin's spread is 8 points due mainly to a relatively high unfav rating. Whose numbers would you rather have - both at the top of the ticket and for your VP?

Posted by: sarasotajoe | September 26, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Why does Obama look so angry? He’s always wearing a snarl. He looks mean and unhappy. He always speaks mean, never positive, always mean and negative. Is he listening to his liberal base too much? Is he that unhappy with that stand? I like the way McCain can crack a joke and break into a smile on a dime.

Why did Obama cancel SNL for a storm crisis yet a financial crisis for the country is not worthy of his attention? How come Obama has not rescheduled his SNL appearance? Is he afraid of laughing at himself with the rest of us?

Obama’s wife is never with him although Cindy stands by John even after she was injured by an adoring fan. Obama is always alone, alone at the 9/11 memorial ceremony, alone in his travels. Michelle only shows when she’s needed as female leverage.

Posted by: pansycritter | September 25, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

People expect Palin to not do good in the debate-- but who knows.

I don't know.. I think all this backlash against Palin will work for her as an underdog. She probably will rock and rule over Biden. Biden comes from that school of thought.. oh.. she's a lady, et. all.. let's be gentle. So Palin will come at the top-- esp. with the 90 sec limit. Regardless, her supporters see her with rose colored glasses so she can say anything.. This VP thing is just too much and now boring.. to deflect attention away from the main issues, I think.

This campaign is McCain vs. Obama.. and I go for Obama. So far, Obama seems to be the most rational one of them all...

Let's hope the one who loves America the best should win.

Posted by: Jess | September 25, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Don't you find it interesting how the media has been ignoring Biden's shocking gaffes/

Internet buzzes with rumours Biden will be replaced by Hillary as Obama's running mate, read more:

http://mccain08-hillary2012.blogspot.com/

Posted by: DCfred | September 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

MikeVa said:

"We like to think of ourselves as a cultured, developed society.

hahahaha
If that's true, you guys are the only ones who think that :))

Posted by: Sam | September 25, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I would say a hindrance. While the McCain camp uses every opportunity to blast and berate Barack Obama with its lies, smears, negative ads and virulent racist comments: coded and overt, all that Joe Biden does, as far as I can tell, is to heap praise on John McCain in return, saying how much he admires him as a friend and colleague. That's tantamount to a woman discovering that her adult paedophile nephew has raped her 15 year old daughter, and despite incontrovertible evidence he did so, has been found guilty in a duly constituted court of law and sent off to jail, still denies that he's been responsible for this odious act. Meanwhile, the mother of the traumatized and unfortunate victim goes around telling anyone who would listen to her how cute this predatory monster was as a baby and how she adored him. Not funny is it? And you know what: Joe Biden isn't even kin to John McCain. But guess what - they're both white!

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore
London, England.

Posted by: Prof. Dr. S. Collymore | September 25, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"AND FOR ALL THE "MARXIST/SOCIALIST" ACCUSATIONS AGAINST OBAMA, YOU CRACK ME UP. "

That tag isn't aimed at Obama alone...it's aimed at Democrats in general. Why do you think they call them the left (as in Leftist/Marxist/Maoist/Socialist)? Wake up feckless and turn your cap-lock off.

Posted by: No-bama | September 25, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Ask people from Delaware, who they trust, some verbal gaffes and all...and for decades they have repeatedly said Joe Biden. Biden is an individual who is well known for talking more than some people think he should. This is not always a good thing for him, but as a taxpayer and a voter his willingness to communicate and ability to get things done on behalf of those he serves makes him the best person for the job. His international experience, his relationships with foreign leaders and his ability to sit down and talk with groups on both side of an issue - is where he will serve President Obama with grace, intelligence and keen insight. As a voter I am trying to concentrate on what each candidate has accomplished and ignore what the media think makes a good headline on MSN.com.

Posted by: Cheryl from Delaware | September 25, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Biden: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans crashed the stock market in 1929 and FDR came on TV? Hell no!

Olbermann: Germans? TV?

Obama: Forget it, he's rolling.

Posted by: Bluto | September 24, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

During the taping of tonight's show, Letterman told the audience that McCain had called him personally to apologize for standing him up and said he was rushing to the airport to get back to Washington. The late-night host called McCain “an honest-to-God hero,” and questioned why he needed to halt his campaign. Couldn’t his running mate, Sarah Palin, take over while he was in Washington? Letterman asked.

“I’m more than a little disappointed by John’s behavior,” he said. “Is he suspending the campaign. because there’s an economic crisis or his poll numbers are sliding?” “You don’t suspend your campaign,” Letterman added. “Do you suspend your campaign? No, because that makes me think, well, you know, maybe there will be other things down the road if he’s in the White House, he could just suspend being president. I mean, we've got a guy like that now!” And guess who would replace him?

Things got worse for McCain when Letterman, in the midst of interviewing substitute guest Keith Olbermann, learned that the GOP candidate was actually still in New York, about five blocks away at the CBS News headquarters, sitting down for a last-minute exclusive interview with Katie Couric.

Incredulous, Letterman interrupted his chat with Olbermann to show the audience a live shot on the internal CBS news feed of McCain getting touched up by a makeup artist as he waited to talk to Couric. “He doesn’t seem to be racing to the airport, does he?” Letterman said, shouting at the television monitor: “Hey John, Do you need a ride to the airport?”

Posted by: josh | September 24, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Nobama should have picked Hitlery. Than we can call our country Communist America.

Posted by: Jumpingjosh | September 24, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

He is not hurting at all. The press love this story about the "gaffe machine." I'm not saying it's totally made up. But everyone likes to cite his "Barack America" slip and it's like...get over it. His verbal miscues are just silly. They come nowhere near, say, Sarah Palin and her "no thanks" to the bridge to nowhere blatant lie.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Biden has made so many goofs but I don't see the Democrats commenting on them. McCain may be a few years older than Biden, but McCain has more sense in his toes than Biden has in his brains. No one talks about Biden's past serious illnesses but boy do they yell about McCain's skin cancer. Biden has had brain surgery plus other serious health problems, so don't say anything negative about skin cancer without mentioning brain surgery,Democrats.
Obama also did cocaine which also effects brain functions.

Posted by: Ipaytoomuchtax | September 24, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse


I am not a Obama / Biden fan.

That said I don't see how Biden hurts Obama. Biden doesn't fly with the conservatives but no democrat would. Biden has gaffs but everyone expects it so most people don't hold it against him.

Picking Hillary would have brought it's own set of problems.. mainly Bill. And conservatives love to hate Hillary.

Posted by: reason | September 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I don’t buy this stuff about “Palin pushing Biden out of the media” because she is a rock star (at least to republicans). The liberal media is just trying to bash Palin as much as possible with every scandal they cam manufacture or exaggerate. The media likewise is going out of their way to avoid showing Biden’s gaffs. Just watch when something comes out about Palin (or supposedly comes out – or maybe just manufactured); it will stay in the news for at least a week (maybe two), and be reported repeatedly, sometimes ‘on the hour every hour’. When something comes out about Biden it might last a day, and be reported very sporadically at best. The media also goes back on Palin’s history as much as possible, but how much have we heard about Biden’s plagiarism, or embellishing his academic record. Some might throw in the excuse that those happened 15-20 years ago, however there are many young people who plan to vote this time (who never voted before) who do not know of Biden’s past. Should they not be informed as much about Biden’s past as Palin’s ?? (the media will go back in time 20 or even 50 years when it suites them). This type of ‘Repetition’ of Palin’s “supposed” past and hiding Biden’s is what the old Soviet Union used to do. It is called PROPOGANDIZING………………..

Also;

Biden seems slow, awkward, out of touch and confused when giving speeches (in addition to all the above examples & gaffs he thought FDR reign was during the television era). This totally undermines the Dem’s claims that that his experience shores up the experience question surrounding Obama. If Biden has to step into the presidency for some reason (if something happens to Obama) we have all his confusion & bewilderment to look forward to. So much for the Demo ticket being capable and experienced!! If McCain is trying to keep Palin away from the press, is Obama trying to do the same with Biden! Is the press helping Obama out with this effort as much as they can !!!

Also the libby media has apparently gone out of their way not to inform the public that Obama no longer plans to meet unconditionally with Iran’s ‘so called ‘ President. Also, Obama apparently now claims he will not allow Iran to become a tyrant nation with Nuclear Weapons. When McCain said the same he was called a war mongerer. So what is up: The media is playing their ‘usual games’, as usual !!

Posted by: Mr Reality | September 24, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

TELL ME CIZILLA?

WHY NOT JUST READ DRUDGE?

WHY NOT JUST READ MCCAIN'S WEBSITE?

THIS IS IMPORTANT? THERES A $45 TRILLION DOLLAR CRISIS THAT COULD DESTROY THE WORLD FINANCIALLY AND YOU ARE QUIBBLING ABOUT ONE COMMERCIAL??? A commercial that IS TRUE UNLIKE ALL OF MCCAIN'S CRAP.

YOU ARE A WORTHLESS HACK WHO IS POISONING THE POLITICAL DEBATE WITH CRYPTO-RIGHT WING STORY LINES ABOUT GIBBERISH.

Obscure and distract! you should be so proud of your "work" in regurgitating Drudge.


AND FOR ALL THE "MARXIST/SOCIALIST" ACCUSATIONS AGAINST OBAMA, YOU CRACK ME UP.

IT IS REPUBLICANS GIVING BILLIONS TO NATIONALIZE CORPORATIONS, JUST LIKE THEY DID WHEN MCCAIN CREATED THE S&L SCANDAL FOR $200 BILLION 20 YEARS AGO.

REPUBLICANS ARE MARXISTS, JUDGE THEM BY THEIR DEEDS.

Posted by: feckless | September 24, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

As normal people might cringe with some of what hes saying the average american understands and likes him. Its the "more like me" syndrome. Some examples of where that works bush(not Sr.), palin, mccain, regan, clinton,.... accessibility my friends

Posted by: erik | September 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

It really does not matter what Biden says, he gets no press, all the press is given to Palin who won't even talk to the press..so in actuality the press is reporting nothing at all...the end is near ....................this is crazy!!!!

Posted by: Toilet | September 24, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Biden is straight talking and honest? You people are ignorant. He is known for plagiarizing which discredited his previous run for President.

Posted by: Michael | September 24, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

This just in from the Wall Street Journal:

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

Posted by: Just in from Wall Street Journal | September 24, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I have to laugh.

Obama is no FDR.

Obama is another Jimmy Carter...and those of you old enough to remember should know what kind of mess that "holier than thou" Marxist had the country in. Think 14% interest rates, stagflation, record unemployment and foreign policy disasters. Anyone remember the luxury tax and how many middle-class Americans that put out of a job?

Bush sucks, but if everyone votes for "change" just because they aren't smart enough to keep falling for the same old tired Democratic clap-trap, then they are getting what they deserve.

Posted by: No-bama | September 24, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Biden tried to please the american people by saying he did not know of the add and apologize to get votes. Obama-Biden are so close to socialism/anit american in their ideas it is scare to our american freedoms. 1. make high school /collage kids do free work for charity 2. national health, then oil comapanies and electric and now Banks and moratage coompanies. Learned well from Chavez.

Posted by: Eddie | September 24, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

oops, I meant to address that last post to Sad American, it was not Sad American who posted:

"I do not disagree as the same thing happened in my neighborhood even though the ratio has corrected down to a healthy range prior to my purchase. Perhaps my point got lost in my babbel. The current situation is one that frustrates me.".....

Posted by: MikeVa | September 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I live here in Western PA (coal country), and the GOP is already out with a radio ad quoting Biden saying "There should be no coal industry in the US".... Seriously, picking Biden as VP has been a blunder and I think he may cost Obama the election. And I say this as an Obama supporter.

Posted by: Kenny | September 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I do not disagree as the same thing happened in my neighborhood even though the ratio has corrected down to a healthy range prior to my purchase. Perhaps my point got lost in my babbel. The current situation is one that frustrates me.

My point was that; people's demand for getting in on the housing market regardless of what the ratios were between income and home price is what led to lenders creating the shady loans that brought the whole thing down. Without demand for the houses and people willing to take a risk on the houses on the loan, the market would have corrected itself much earlier and become a buyers market on it's own due to decreased demand and lack of willing people to pay the high prices. I'm not defending the banks, far far from it. However, saying the banks and/or the govt. is soley responsible is like telling me a company is responsible for a person getting fried in a bathtub while playing with an electronic device because there was no warning label. Everyone is partially responsible for this mess, not any one person, party, or company.

As for voting for which candidate is better or worse for me personally... it's a wash, because as I stated and as is apparent with you, neither candidate will make that big of an impact on us personally.

I am concerned about which one will be better for the nation as a whole, this is where it gets complicated. McCain would be better financially for the true middle class because giving tax breaks to corporations creates more opportunity for company growth, increases the likelyhood that foreign companies will incorporate here and hire Americans, etc (and yes rich people will get richer too).. Obama's does the exact opposite (and yes rich people will still get richer). Obama on the other hand is better socially for the lower income brackets, which for some who truly need the assistance will create more middle to upper income tax payers. I like a lot of his ideas, specifically the College tuition assistance for people willing to do community service, that's a really cool idea. Neither candidate addresses the country's issues as a whole. I think if you could put them both in a bowl and mix them together you'd end up with a fantastic candidate.

Posted by: Sad American | September 24, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Dude you need to chill out. He said something before Obama did? OH MY GOD!!! Seriously why does that matter?

Posted by: Reeaaalllly? | September 24, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'll take a straight-talking, honest, no-nonsense guy who makes some verbal miscues but has served this country extremely well for a quarter century over someone clouded by her own sense of power and whose major accomplishment is that she got a hockey rink built.
_____
Make her a him and throw out that there was an accomplishment and it's sounds like why we should vote for for McCain over Obama!!!

Posted by: rss | September 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if it is true that the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent will win in November regardless of issues and poll numbers?

Will GOP use Guiliani-like mob ties like the ones used by his protege Bernard Kerik, ex-NYPD commissioner who may be jailed up to 140 years to do the dirty work? According to above article, does it appear that Kerik is already getting a sweetheart exchange deal where his charges may be dropped in exchange for his bumping off mutual opponent while real culprits go unsuspected? Or will Gotti, Jr. be offered the same deal as he too is trying to get his conspiracy and murder charges dropped too?

Will Dems use an OJ Simpson-like, black convict with jail time? It is reported that OJ is trying to get his robbery and kidnapping charges in Vegas dropped against him too yesterday so he may be available also.

Given this information, will we have to worry about our personal safety too? For example, will our car be tampered? Are we safe in the middle of the night inside our home as our habits and plans are known in advanced due to bugging devices?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: djcb
Joe Biden is no parrot.
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Joe is the worst kind of parrot!! He repeats other people's words (ala Neil Kinnock) and adopts them as his own!

Just like zerObama! Xerox candidate and plaigerism man! Perfect pair.

Posted by: Pennsylvanian | September 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, here's the thing...Biden is talking to the general press and Palin is not. Out of over 40 interviews he has given you can pull out three, maybe 4 minor gaffes. Out of NO interviews with the general press you can't pull out any Palin remarks, gaffes or otherwise. I'll take an open and talking candidate to a sequestered and scared candidate any day, thanks.

Posted by: justathought3 | September 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The voters that watch close enough to catch all of these Biden gaffes and rate them are not the voters who are undecided. Good God, George Will gave a back-handed endorsement of Obama yesterday. David Brooks of the nytimes vacillates between Obama and McCain. The average voter is not only not paying attention to Biden, they are not really paying attention to Obama or McCain. They see that the world as they know it may unravel and have to make a gut decision: a Republican or a Democrat. It's kind of like if we held the Hoover - FDR Presidential election in 1929 instead of 1932.

Posted by: muD | September 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

A day after NutJob condemn us at the U.N., stating that the American Empire is coming to an end, the V.P. candidate for the Democratic ticket, Joe Biden, declares that his running mate, Barack Obama, will sit down and talk with NutJob as part of their foreign policy. It is bad enough that a presidential ticket is making NutJob legitimate but they are also standing U.S. Senators. And this is not alarming people where this country could be heading if they are elected?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MikeVa | September 24, 2008 1:14 PM

MikeVa,

I do have a house which I recently just purchased, sadly though 3 months later I now have 4 houses in the neighborhood that are in foreclosure status and it is dragging the rest of the neighborhood down. If I wanted to vote based on what is best for me, my choice for President might be different. However I firmly believe that we as a country should vote for President based on what is best for the country as a whole not on an individual level.

When you get greedy and only look out for yourself and what is best for you, the rest of the country will falter. I hear people basing their votes on saving their pocket books, while wondering why the rest of the country is in shambles. I consider myself lucky and with hard work I have achieved goals set for myself years back. Some people are not as fortunate. I am not saying give your money away tp help everyone else out. But looking back on the Iraq war and how it has all shaken out, the people who had money are the ones who prospered, not the ones who were living paycheck to paycheck.

I didnt mean you had to be loaded for things to be good for you. My fiancee and I both have good paying jobs, both in the government sector making good money. But to say the State of America as a whole is in good shape is a serious stretch. The problem is is that if you are loaded you are looking through rose colored lenses at serious issues. It doesnt affect me so why should I care, is not a good approach to the nations issues.

All politicians lie, they have to because we like to believe what we are being told. And as long as we keep buying what they are selling, we show them that is what they must do to get elected.

Posted by: Sad American | September 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Biden's a plus - no question. Wisdom in governing is what really counts with me, and that's what he offers. I didn't like the computer ad either. Thought it was a bust.

Posted by: TheNest, VA | September 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain all the way bay-bee!!!

Posted by: smmy | September 24, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Read it, didn't weep. Sorry. Obama is a clear improvement over the current administration and the GOP's choice in McCain and Palin is what's laughable. You have an aging old man who claims he can't use a computer due to his injury's yet there are plenty of blind, parapalygics and other handicap citizens using voice prompts and other technology's that allow them to use a computer. Cripes, look at Stephen Hawking. This just shows how out of touch he is.
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its funny how EVERYTHING shows how McCain is "out of touch".

next thing Obama will put out a press release on how many text messages he sends a month!!!

oh, its pathetic when you compare mccain not using a computer to a blind person or a parapalegic. blind people and parapalegics may have problems but those problems are not with their fingers!!! its funny how the vapid rhetoric obama specializes is parroted by his delusional followers.

by the way, president clinton sent exactly 2 emails on his official email account during his presidency.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Xander
... they're only making their VP choice to secure votes and nothing else....
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Um, you mean there is some other reason for a VP choice?

Hello????

Just because Obama made the wrong one doesn't mean that
there is any other reason to pick a VP.

D'OH!

Posted by: Pennsylvanian | September 24, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

DDAWG

Sadly, demographics still play a huge part in whether or not someone will vote for a person. We like to think of ourselves as a cultured, developed society. Truth is, we are making progress, but still have a long way to go.

For Biden, age and race. Palin is age, gender, religion.

Posted by: MikeVa | September 24, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Biden was a TERRIBLE choice. Period, full stop. He got NOWHERE in his campaign & Obama thinks we want him as VP??? Too bad Obama's ego (or Michelle's?) didn't allow him to pick the winning choice--Hillary Clinton. As a result, I won't be voting for Obama. (N.B. Obamorons--don't bother with the lectures--my state will be blue in November. My vote is more of a protest because I CAN.)

Posted by: MJ | September 24, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"John McCain is a friend, a patriot, and a hero.
But John and I have some fundamental disagreements as it relates to the Guard, and the interests of veterans.
John McCain voted against billions of dollars in additional funding for veterans’ health care – against $2 million for TBI research… against $500 million for mental health issues… against $400 million for inpatient and outpatient care.
John wants to ration veterans’ health care to those with combat injuries, which would mean that millions fewer veterans would have access to VA medical care.
And while Barack and I supported Senator Jim Webb’s bipartisan bill to update the GI Bill from the get-go, John initially opposed it because he thought it was too generous.
John’s version treated the Guard as second class citizens when it came to educational benefits.
Those are the facts. But don’t take it from me. Ask Disabled American Veterans, which represents millions of vets. They keep track of these things… John voted with DAV 20 percent of the time. Barack Obama 80 percent of the time.
Or ask the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. They keep track, too. They give letter grades, and they gave John McCain a “D”. Barack got at B+.
So as much as I admire John, I disagree with him.
Being a veteran isn’t the same as being there for veterans.
We need more than a great soldier, we need a wise leader."

Joe Biden, address to the National Guard, Sept. 22, 2008.

Posted by: Bluespaceoddity | September 24, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it sad that we're comparing the VP candidates based on their electoral appeal rather than their merits? It's blindingly obvious that Biden would be a better, more knowledgeable, more effective vice president, but we're reduced to talking about who draws a bigger crowd. I'll take Joe Biden's "gaffes" over Sarah Palin's total lack of availability any day. Even third-world dictators have more transparency.

Posted by: Howard | September 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Biden has been joking about the Bridge to Nowhere. Until today. It turns out they'd rather pay for the bridge then help Katrina victims.


"That is probably the most disturbing element of this and the campaigning on the Bridge to Nowhere," said Bill Allison of the Sunlight Foundation, a taxpayer watchdog group. "Because, yes, they had a chance to vote specifically against the Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska to redirect the money to people, to bridges and infrastructure damaged by Hurricane Katrina going in to New Orleans, and they chose not to.
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Posted by: Dem4Cynthia08 | September 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"Neither running mate was picked because they are the most qualified person within their party to do the job. They were chosen to acquire people in the demographics that the actual candidates did not think they could pull by themselves. Mystery solved, any attempt add some other sort of logical reasoning to it is just kidding yourself."

What demographic is Biden supposed to draw?

Posted by: DDAWD | September 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Sad American:

You don't have to be loaded to say that things aren't that bad for you currently. If you take some initiative to research median income to median home price ratios before buying one regardless of whether the market is climbing or crashing, and don't live paycheck to paycheck because you know that things can go down as quickly as they go up, you end up better prepared for times like this. Do I have less now than I did 8 years ago? Nope. Am I'm a struggling middle class American? Nope. I am an American that is prepared for change good or bad, as it's inevitable. Smaller risk does = smaller reward, but it also ='s less of a crisis when things outside of my control happen.

Truth is, the number of banks on the problem list is much smaller now than is has been in the past. The median income to median home prices in most markets are healthy now (they were horribly over inflated in the markets affected most). The problem is that a couple of years ago a report came out from the govt. that warned that the housing market might (laughable) be at it's peaks and the bubble could burst. What the failed to do is explain why. They over estimated the people's interest in self education, and underestimated their capacity to panic and make the problem worse. There were some markets that needed to crash with a 16:1 price to income ratio. Those are the markets where the lending was crazy.

Taking where I live as an example, at it's peak my market reached around 6.5:1. It has declined nearly 50% in value since then. Putting prices below a healthy range. That's people overreacting, the government failed to take this factor into consideration, so here we are today.

Posted by: MikeVa | September 24, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama08 POSTED:
"At least I know what this man thinks, and where he stands even as he is on the Dem ticket."
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So is Biden for or against US produced clean coal plants? If you know what this man thinks, I feel very sorry for you. I'm not convinced he knows what he thinks. Like Obama, he says what plays well to the crowd in front of him.

No clean coal to somone who opposes it and another story in front of mineworkers.

Kiss PA a final goodbye Obama...it is tied now but Biden just sealed the deal for McCain.

September 23, 2008 - 1:50pm
http://www.politickerpa.com/wallyedgepa/1849/how-important-coal-pa


How important is coal to Pennsylvania? Here are some facts.


Most anthracite coal is found in Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania has 29 billion tons of coal reserves, or 6.1% of the country's reserves.

The combined direct and indirect contributions of the coal industry to Pennsylvania's economy are more than $10 billion.

Using more than 57 million tons, Pennsylvania ranks fourth in coal use.
Pennsylvania employs more than 9,300 miners.

Pennsylvania distributes more than 75 million tons of coal each year.

Pennsylvania has 82 underground mines and 225 surface mines.

About 58% of the electricity used in Pennsylvania is produced by coal.

Pennsylvania produces about 7% of the country's coal supply.

Pennsylvania has 23 coal-fired power plants.

Source American Coal Foundation

Posted by: Pennsylvanian | September 24, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Read it, didn't weep. Sorry. Obama is a clear improvement over the current administration and the GOP's choice in McCain and Palin is what's laughable. You have an aging old man who claims he can't use a computer due to his injury's yet there are plenty of blind, parapalygics and other handicap citizens using voice prompts and other technology's that allow them to use a computer. Cripes, look at Stephen Hawking. This just shows how out of touch he is. And Palin, way to pander to the female voters. The good news is the female voters are to smart to fall for this gimmick. She has no foreign policy experience, had no clue what the Bush Doctrine was, is against a womans right to choose, wants to ban books, failed to obtain a clear title before starting construction on a hockey rink which cost her city an extra 1.3 million due to an eminent domain lawsuit (sorry, if I caused my business to lose a 1/4 of that I would be out on my arse) and the city's long term debt grew from 1 million to 25 million plus flip flopped on the bridge to nowhere and it goes on and on and on. If you can't see how bad McCain and Palin would be for America and they get elected then we are truly screwed.

Posted by: getreal | September 24, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, let's have dinner with Iran and chat at the table because their leader has shown that he is very reasonable. Do Obama and Biden show their cards out to everyone when they play poker?"

Presidents of both parties throughout the Cold War had a special phone to call the Kremlin in the USSR. Did anyone insinuate that this constituted a capitulation to or endorsement of Soviet ideology? Was the "red phone" seen a symbol of weakness?

Being a world leader means having the maturity to deal civilly with people you disagree with, even find reprehensible to protect your nation's citizens and contribute to the stability of the world.

A true statesman does not throw caution to the wind, and base his foreign policy on grandstanding and tough talk.

An American President who refused to speak with the Iranians would be doing nothing to punish their regime, nothing to bring freedom and democracy to Iran, and would be endangering our nation's security.

America needs a president who is willing to hold his nose, pick up the phone and deal with these people, rather than bury his head in the sand and hollowly rattle sabers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Biden's ok in my book. I say things all the time I wish I hadn't, but people still like me.

Falin, on the other hand, is a robot.

She makes the same speech over and over again and doesn't talk to people. What is she trying to hide? Oh, and how about showing some deference and respect to the working women of America and putting on a pants suit once in a while?

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Kim, Bush snorted coke and is an alcoholic. And yes Bush is still an alcoholic. Once an alcoholic always an alocholic. June 15th 2006 Bush insulted a blind man by aking him if he was going to ask his question with his "shades on." Wallsten, the blind man, has Stargardts disease. If you want to play that game let's go. I have 8 years of ammo what have you got?"

Pretty weak ammo

Posted by: DDAWD | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"First Dude, could you cut down the trees in the side yard, I need more foreign policy experience."

Posted by: dl | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

obamapwnsu = REPUBLICAN SHILL

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

by Von Cornwhyeah
The government provides villages with residences, schools, cable television, and royalties of oil. L' ethics of work all was destroyed, but among the Eskimos and transform much d' between them into lazy, alcoholic, drug addicts porn. When you have l' money which is granted to you, you n' do not need to work. Without an employment, it ya few reasons to remain sober. And when the parents are drunk, the children suffer from negligence, d' abuse and d' inceste. I know quelqu' one which lives and teaches in North Slope Eskimo village. It could give you accounts without end neglected and misused of the women and the children, it personally met over there. It is very sad. When all is simply given to people without qu' they have to work for it, it destroys l' autonomy and sap any motivation for l' car improvement. Therefore, if you want to see this qu' is a liberal, l' State-nanny resembles l' Utopia, spend one winter in a Eskimo village of l' Alaska.

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Palins plan for rural america.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Biden's great strengths are his authenticity and fearlessness and naturalness. You don't get a lot of silly political correctness and clever denials as with the Clintons. You don't get a lot of stonewalling and secretiveness as with the Palins. You don't get a lot of indifference to regular people as with the Republican power elite and you sure don't get a fighter pilot who's only song is Let's Go to War and be glorious again. That dog won't hunt.

Posted by: Gaias Child | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, don't give this too much thought. They both picked candidates that are exact opposites of their initial ticket.

Obama: Supposed Washington Outsider and alleged agent of change. (Lack of experience in the old ways of Washington was supposed to be his strong suit, now people are trying their damndest to find something he's experienced in).
Biden: Old school Washington Lifer and killer of change.

McCain: Supposed Maverick and wise man, running on a platform of experience. (The experience in the old ways of Washington are a bad thing here, because it means he was around for all the good and bad. Most recently bad, Americans have a very short memory and attention span).
Palin: Sold as a Maverick, like Obama lacks solid experience, but has also not been involved in the day-to-day Washington ways heavily.

Neither running mate was picked because they are the most qualified person within their party to do the job. They were chosen to acquire people in the demographics that the actual candidates did not think they could pull by themselves. Mystery solved, any attempt add some other sort of logical reasoning to it is just kidding yourself.

Knowing that both VP candidates are just fluff intended to pull votes, I'll be casting my vote between the 2 people actually running for President.

Posted by: MikeVa | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

JOE IS NOT JUST ANOTHER JOE, BUT..AN OLD WASHINGTON INSIDER JOE.

OBAMA FRACTURED AND DIVIDED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHEN HE REJECTED THE CHOICE OF 18 MILLION DEMOCRATS and instead of choosing Hillary Clinton for VP, he chose an old Washington politician Joe Biden, and by this grave mistake in choice, negated the flag of "change" Obama had been waiving and replaced it with the flag of "more of the same".

On the other side, THE MAVERICK STOLE THE MANTRA OF CHANGE FROM BARACK WHEN HE SELECTED A WOMAN REFORMER FOR VP, who has gained the respect of the State she governs as well as of the nation governors.

THE MCCAIN/PALIN TICKET HAS GIVEN HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA TO ALL THE 18 MILLION FORMER HILLARY SUPPORTERS who now have a very compelling reason to vote for the republican ticket, as a way to put their country first by electing a president that has the qualifications, experience and love for our country and at the same time elect a woman to the White House as equal partners in governance and leadership of our country.

Country First!

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!


Posted by: Manolete | September 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Peakmom at 12:37P, I listened to JB on POTUS'08 and thought it was one of his least impressive performances. I really ahd the impression he was following a formula, of sorts, imposed by the BHO campaign. It reminded me of how he sounded at the DNC.

There was substance, of course. But the turn of phrase was not JB's. And the care with which he stuck to the "line" was not in any way refreshing.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kate, let's review that experience again. While McCain was serving in Vietnam, Biden got FIVE draft deferments so he could get a law degree. While Biden was running for a position on a county board, John McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. When McCain finally got home, he was the commander of a Naval flight training squadron, worked in business, and was a navy liaison to the Senate. McCain was elected to the U.S. House of representatives and after four years there was elected to the U.S. Senate. McCain was in the military for 20 years and has been in congress for 26. Biden has been in Congress for 36 years. Biden's only experience before the Senate was on a Delaware county board. That's it.

Let's now compare the top of the Democratic ticket with the bottom of the GOP ticket. Obama was a law professor and editor of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer. He was an Illinois State legislator for two four year terms and is now a first term U.S. Senator. Palin, a mother of five, was mayor of a small town for two terms and is now governor of the State of Alaska.

Obama and Biden have NEVER been the chief executive of ANYTHING. Palin has more experience in public administration than both Obama and Biden put together and has more than McCain, too. If anyone has executive experience among the four of them, it's Palin. If you're going to belittle Palin's degree at a state university, I hope you're willing to do the same for all the voters around the country who attended state universities. Perhaps people with degrees at state universities shouldn't aspire to public office? If you are going to belittle McCain's experience in the military, I hope you are willing to do that for all the people in the country who have served in the military. Perhaps people who served in the military aren't good enough for you.

Just call the voters "Dumb Americans".

Posted by: ttj | September 24, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Le gouvernement fournit des villages avec des logements, des écoles, la télévision par câble, et des redevances du pétrole. L'éthique du travail a tous été détruits, mais parmi les Esquimaux et transformé beaucoup d'entre eux en paresseux, alcooliques, toxicomanes porno. Quand vous avez de l'argent qui vous est accordée, vous n'avez pas besoin de travailler. Sans un emploi, il ya peu de raisons de rester sobre. Et lorsque les parents sont ivres, les enfants souffrent de négligence, d'abus et d'inceste.

Je connais quelqu'un qui vit et enseigne dans un North Slope village esquimau. Elle pourrait vous donner de comptes sans fin négligé et abusé des femmes et des enfants, elle a personnellement rencontré là-bas. Il est très triste. Quand tout est simplement remis à des gens sans qu'ils aient à travailler pour elle, il détruit l'autonomie et sape toute motivation pour l'auto amélioration. Donc, si vous voulez voir ce qu'est un libéral, l'État-nounou ressemble à l'utopie, allez passer un hiver dans un village esquimau de l'Alaska.

Posted by: E. Von Cornwhyeah | September 24, 2008 12:43 PM

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Merci beaucoup!

I, Barrack Obama, approve this message.

Posted by: Obama08 | September 24, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

HELP. In a big way. Oh not Biden himself - the only ones that vote for vice-president are Evangelicals. He's not likely to draw many of them. But he reveals Obama's first major decision: he chose a solid #2.

The lunch-bucket crowd - that Biden is supposed to appeal to - doesn't care if he slips up on when television was invented - that's just the Eastern Elite showing off their over-education. He'll still be seen (or not) as "one of us".

Of course no one but the "one of us" Evangelicals crowd votes for VP - so it's largely a moot point.

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 24, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me, this comment is tangentially related to the article posted...

I had never heard of any allegations of crack use by Obama until I read a few of the comments from this article. I was aware that he had admitted to using powder cocaine in his younger years...an admission that our current president has made as well, if memory serves me correctly. Of course, Mr. Bush was also arrested for a DUI, and still managed to hold office for two terms.

I've personally known a number of Ivy League college graduates who hold powerful positions in corporate America who are either past or current cocaine users. I'm sure a number of other people can attest to this fact as well.

I take umbrage with these drug use allegations because they seem so contradictory and selective. If these posters really felt like this "character flaw" warranted ineligibility to important positions, then our corporate and political landscape would probably look a lot different.

Besides, rather than slam someone for drug use, wouldn't it be far more productive to look at the driving factors that make it so rampant in our society? Why shut this failing of society out rather than fix it?

Dare I say, perhaps a past drug user being in a public position might be able to deal with such an issue with more insight and compassion than the American public have seen in the past...

Posted by: Morgan | September 24, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Does the Obama camp seriously believe that sitting down at a table with the Iranian leadership is a winning argument for the American public? Maybe NutJob was right, the American Empire is dead.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse


Le gouvernement fournit des villages avec des logements, des écoles, la télévision par câble, et des redevances du pétrole. L'éthique du travail a tous été détruits, mais parmi les Esquimaux et transformé beaucoup d'entre eux en paresseux, alcooliques, toxicomanes porno. Quand vous avez de l'argent qui vous est accordée, vous n'avez pas besoin de travailler. Sans un emploi, il ya peu de raisons de rester sobre. Et lorsque les parents sont ivres, les enfants souffrent de négligence, d'abus et d'inceste.

Je connais quelqu'un qui vit et enseigne dans un North Slope village esquimau. Elle pourrait vous donner de comptes sans fin négligé et abusé des femmes et des enfants, elle a personnellement rencontré là-bas. Il est très triste. Quand tout est simplement remis à des gens sans qu'ils aient à travailler pour elle, il détruit l'autonomie et sape toute motivation pour l'auto amélioration. Donc, si vous voulez voir ce qu'est un libéral, l'État-nounou ressemble à l'utopie, allez passer un hiver dans un village esquimau de l'Alaska.

Posted by: E. Von Cornwhyeah | September 24, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Things are not nearly as gloomy as the pundits say. Most of today's economic problems, whether it's energy, health care costs, financial problems, budget deficits or national debt, are caused by policies pursued by the White House and Congress.

Posted by: williams | September 24, 2008 12:33 PM

Really? Things arent as bad as people say? Do you live in a box?

The housing market is Horrid
Housing prices have dropped close to 30% of their value.
Gas has tripled in 7 years
The Major financial institutions have crumbled

You either have a ton of money, which would make sense that things dont look bad to you, or you have been taking Cindy McCains pills again.

YOU HAVE LOST CREDIBILITY AS A POSTER.
GO AWAY.

Posted by: Sad American | September 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

We should be grateful Obama picked Biden and even more thankful that McCain picked Palin. If McCain had taken his first choice-Larry the Cable Guy- he'd have been up 20 points in the polls.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, let's have dinner with Iran and chat at the table because their leader has shown that he is very reasonable. Do Obama and Biden show their cards out to everyone when they play poker?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

This year thousands of people are becoming community activists by registering thousands of people to vote.

This year thousands of people are becoming PTA presidents of their local schools.

Ten - 12 years from now someone from this group will believe this experience will serve them well to be president or vice president of the United States. Only in America can this type of dream come true. Problem is this dream will be everybody eles's nightmare.

Posted by: BrokenArrow | September 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

In the end these comments will not make any difference. McCain has cast himself as having a doctrine of Coercive Diplomacy. This will scare the voters too much. .......
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/23/john-mccain-and-coercive-diplomacy/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | September 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"Ladies and Gentlemen..."
And so begins the delivery of some of the best information out there, given strongly and without hesitation by Joe Biden in Cincinnati today. You can tell that his information comes from knowledge of his subjects, not a Karl Rove script. Joe Biden knows foreign policy - better than McCain, whose knowledge and voting record in foreign affairs will have us putting our country at greater risk for terrorist attacks if we don't get out of Iraq.

Our generals and leaders have all agreed with Obama & Biden that to sit down with Iran is in our nations best interest. John McCain is the only one who doesn't get it.

McCain and the unqualified Cheneybot he chose to run for him have never once tried to educate either party on the real issues. McCain's, "Iraq, Iraq, Iraq," is fast becoming Palin's, "Thanks, but no thanks."
Ladies and Gentlemen, the republicans can't hold an oil lamp to the democrats this time around.

Posted by: Peakmom | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama had barred Muslims from event:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

To the aspergirls and anonynomous's of the world,

As Mr. T used to say, I pity the fools.

OBAMA & BIDEN in 2008 - The ONLY sane choice!

Posted by: roxlaw | September 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse


Joe's "positive" coverage in the local press below. Joe "Let's ship our jobs to China" Biden. The left-leaning paper tried to soften the disaster his comments actually were...reports it almost apologetically. No matter, bias is expected.

Coal, engineering, and manufacturing companies and employees are certainly paying attention!!

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McCain campaign jumps on Biden's clean coal comments
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
By James O'Toole, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Republicans yesterday criticized Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden Jr. over an overheard comment at odds with Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's campaign pledge to support the development of clean coal plants in the United States.

In the remarks, circulated on YouTube, the Delaware senator seems to reject the idea of building new coal-fired plants domestically, while suggesting that clean-coal technology, a goal that both campaigns have promised billions of dollars to develop, should be used to protect the environment from coal plants abroad.

In the video, recorded at the beginning of Mr. Biden's bus trip across Ohio last week, the Democrat is speaking to a woman as he works the crowd after a rally. Responding to her question pressing him on why the campaign is supporting clean coal, he says: "We're not supporting clean coal. Guess what? China is building two every week, two dirty coal plants. And it's polluting the United States, it's causing people to die."

As their exchange continues, Mr. Biden says: "China's gonna burn 300 years of bad coal unless we figure out how to clean their coal up, because it's gonna ruin your lungs, and there's nothing we can do about it. No coal plants here in America. Build 'em, if they're gonna build 'em, over there and make 'em clean because they're killing you."

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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08268/914519-470.stm

Posted by: Pennsylvanian | September 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe somebody at The Washington Post could call this piece to Ruth Marcus' attention. She spent all that time writing the article on Sarah Palin when she could have gone home to have dinner with her family knowing that both VP candidates are training for their jobs. Of course both presidential candidates have had their misstatements too.

Well, maybe we should just put a committee of media in charge and trust that they will show us how the country should be led. Heaven help us!

Posted by: annetta | September 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

It doesnt even matter, all of you poll watchers and finger pointers. To any one with an ounce of unbiased opinion, McCain and Palin have been dishing out preposterous lie after preposterous lie.

Like all of the ignorants on here saying Obama is a Muslim, you just continue to perpetuate a lie. All politicians lie, but this is creeping back to the '04 election when Bush won a second term on lies, like we went to war on lies, like the banks have gone under on lies.

Funny thing is, the Republicans like to put God into the mix whenever possible, but yet they are the ones who shamelessly lie and betray the Commandments.

Either way the election will be rigged like the previous two.

Bush lost in '00, but due to his brother and the Supreme Court pissed on the Constitution and Walked into the White House


Bush Lost in '04, but due to voting errors in Ohio,(the electronic voting machine used was from a Bush family friend company)
and he once again slithered in.

This year, my prediction will be a tight race, it has to be to rig it. McCain will win, have a heart attack upon his rigged victory and we will have an Alaskan who speaks poorly of the Lower 48 as our President. With no education, no foreign experience, no balls to even do an interview with the Media.

4 more years of being F'd up. Nad in two years when all of you tardos are no better off, you will realize little too late that Palin really was an Idiot, and her husband makes Clinton look like a Saint.

Posted by: Shockingly absurd | September 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Elect Obama and let the foxs into the hen house:

Things are not nearly as gloomy as the pundits say. Most of today's economic problems, whether it's energy, health care costs, financial problems, budget deficits or national debt, are caused by policies pursued by the White House and Congress. As my colleague Dr. Thomas Sowell suggested in a recent column, we don't look to arsonists to put out fires that they've created; neither should we look to Congress to solve the problems they've created.

Posted by: williams | September 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Bonus Quote of the Day
"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"

-- Sen. Joe Biden, in an interview with CBS News.

Of course, as Reason points out, Roosevelt wasn't president in 1929 and televisions were still experimental.

Posted by: Helen | September 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Biden pretty much summed up the Obama foreign policy goal ....

kumbaya, my friends, kumbaya

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

It truly stretches the limits of credulity when all those so-called "smart" Libs are so taken in by this flim-flam confidence man. they also liked Lenin, Marx, Nut-job, Kim, etc. Same temperament.

Fake it til you make it.

I am still waiting for a single excuse to vote for Obama. he's so smart and Bush lied don't cut it.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"Lets not forget Bill and his infamous "I smoked, but I didn't inhale" comment. That one still makes me laugh to this day :P"

Not saying that he was telling the truth, but I don't find it that hard to believe. I have done the same a few times.

Yes, I've inhaled a few times as well.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Ah...Chris of the Fix did you not see and hear Biden this morning give a foreign policy speech? The speech was dead on why Obama will be the next president of the U.S.

While Obama is campaigning in Florida and prepping for his Friday Foreign Policy debate on Friday with McCain, Biden offers a meaty chunk of foreign policy tidbits for the political pundits and general electorate to digest. The media will spend time digesting Biden's speech and financial market crisis from now till Friday, meanwhile the McCain campaign will spend time and effort in defense mode, i.e. defending their weak economic policy and now defending McCain's foreign policy judgement.

Did anyone else notice that Palin was absent from Biden's speech? Many references to Bush and McCain. Hopefully more high level Democrats will realize that bashing Palin on non-issue stuff is a waste of time.

BRILLIANT STRATEGY BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that coal companies like Consol Energy in Pittsburgh are furiously writing checks to McCain and the RNC about now!

And their employees are going to vote McCain so they know that coal energy isn't just for China.

Thanks Joe!!


Posted by: Pennsylvanian | September 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

How GREAT is it that the media as all the access to Biden they need, in fact he wants more. Yet Palin is all over the headlines simply because she's hiding from the media.

Biden speaks to people, Palin doesn't.

Palin deserves these headlines until people realize she is a complete hack.

Biden is a fantastic compliment to Obama, hands down.

Posted by: Tom | September 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

A day after NutJob claimed that the American Empire is near its end, Joe Biden today told the world that a President Obama would begin talks with the Iranian leader. Did anyone in the Obama camp pay attention to NutJob's speech yesterday?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain hides behind his POW shield when ever the going gets tough. How did he manage to make thirty "commericals" for the North Vietnamese during his imprisonment. Didn't he realize how he was helping their cause?

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

read and weep GETREAL! Read and weep! LOL!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Biden over Palin ANY day, gaffes and all. At least I know what this man thinks, and where he stands even as he is on the Dem ticket. I need that. I also have confidence of his knowledge in regards to this country.

For the record, it's got nothing at all to do with Palin being a woman.

Ready for the debates. I automatically assume I will get to see Biden thinking as he responds to questions, and very well prepared to do so. I'm skeptic of Palin to rise to the occasion at Biden's level, and again it has nothing to do with her being a woman. Nevertheless, I am capable of giving credit where due.

Dems '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | September 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama says, "[Today's economic problems are] a stark reminder of the failures of ... an economic philosophy that sees any regulation at all as unwise and unnecessary" ().

What? Does that mean that until last week the Bush administration embraced the free market? Nonsense. Governments at all levels have regulated and subsidized the housing and financial industries for years. Nothing changed under President Bush.

The government-backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were created precisely to interfere with the housing and mortgage markets. In effect, Freddie and Fannie diverted money to people who wouldn't have qualified for mortgages in a real private market.

Had actual private companies performed these activities, they would have been subject to market checks. But they were not. The results were predictable.

Now that it's all tumbling down, the politicians and pundits blame the free market.

It's not simply misunderstanding. It's demagoguery by people who will never admit that their "progressive" social policies have spawned a taxpayer bill that boggles the mind.

This is a story not of private enterprise but of cynical political opportunism. Moral hazard -- the poisonous mix of private profits and taxpayer-covered losses -- is what you get when politicians indulge their hubris to redesign society. The bailout of those companies holding bad mortgages -- big-business socialism -- sets us up for the next crisis

Posted by: loony libs as usual | September 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

This is a great connecting candidate -- it is insteresting that the press complains about his "gaffes" yet at the same time is only starting to question why they have not been given access to Palen who obviously is a gaffe machine waiting to happen. Do you want access or not? The press seem like idiots when they write this type of column with no offset considerations

Posted by: Grah | September 24, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Who is Joe Biden? Where's his voice?

Posted by: Juan | September 24, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The mainstream media ruthlessly and endlessly repeat any McCain gaffes while ignoring Obama gaffes. You have to go to weird little Web sites to see all the stammering and stuttering that Obama needs before getting out a sentence fragment or two. But all you see on the networks is an eventually clear sentence from Obama. You don't see Obama's ludicrous gaffe that Iran is a tiny country and no threat to us. Nor his 57 American states gaffe. Nor his forgetting, if he ever knew, that Russia has a veto in the U.N. Nor his whining and puerile "come on" when he is being challenged. This is the kind of editing one would expect from Goebbels' disciples, not Cronkite's.

Posted by: blankley | September 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Seems like we have to VP candidates wanting to be Prez.

Posted by: Suzanne | September 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl. I was beginning to read your comment, but seeing your name I had to stop. Since you have been doing nothing but spreading lies and copy/pasting GOP falsehoods the entire time I've been around these comment boards, I'm just going to have to bypass your comments completely. Thanks for your time.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"You do realize that Joe Biden's son, HUNTER BIDEN, is a professional lobbyist, right? You do realize that Barack Obama got a cut rate deal on his property from lobbyist and now convicted former fundraiser ANTOIN REZKO, right? You do realize that Rezko was business partner of Nadhmi Auchi, a guy who worked on Saddam Hussein's bilking of the U.N. oil for food program, right?

Have anything more to say about lobbyists?"

So you're saying that Obama is charged with guilt by association of association? isn't that argument wearing a little thin? I love how the GOP likes to attack negative truths (such as the lobbyists working for McCain at this point) with negative lies. You can believe everything that the GOP puts out there, but all it does is make you look gullible.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Have anything more to say about lobbyists?"

Who really cares about Lobbyists everyone uses them? The facts are clear, Obama age under 50, McClown over what 90? The dude is frankly to old to be president thats why people are wondering about Palin. If they had wanted a Palin type they would have picked Hillary and they didn't.

Obama is the only person who can bring our country together. Vote for him!

Posted by: Obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"37thOStreet. Why not just come out and say that you don't like him because he's black? I mean skirting around it doesn't dull down the basic point you're trying to make."

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:51 AM

You are all out to be self-defeating. First, you nominate someone that no one in their right mind would elect to run a huge country in the middle of so many complex problems, and then by picking a black man as the under-qualified, elitist, left-wing extremist candidate who would never otherwise get elected, you get to blame racism for his failure to be elected even though this is the classic profile of the democrat who always loses the White House.

I have a theory that dems wanted to throw the election because they know that the next president will be presiding over the loss of American hegemony and a looming severe recession/depression. I think they wanted to throw the election and picked a guy that would lose, that they could stir up racial tensions and score "racist" points against Republicans with, and that they expect him to lose so they can skip holding the white house during a depression and pick up the white house next time around after all the crashes work their way through the system.

Only the Republicans aren't playing along and race-baiting. So what you get is democrats screaming racism at people who are really focused on issues and qualifications, not race. The democrats and the media are the only ones bringing up race.

There is plenty not to like about Obama. You don't need to throw in race because one would never even get to that. A redneck would find plenty to dislike in the snobbery, elitism, lack of experience, left-wing terrorist friends and black supremacist church, nasty wife, and so on. Even racists don't revert to racism to judge a candidate if the candidate is obviously defective. I.e. if Joe Schmoe who beats his wife and runs a Pizzeria into the ground suddenly decides to run for President, there is no reason for a redneck to focus on the guy's race to find reasons not to vote for him.

Your accusations of racism over Obama's candidacy, which is a deeply defective one, shows only your own racial paranoia and race card playing.

Even if someone was inclined against blacks to begin with, they would have justification in rejecting Obama because he belonged to a hate-speech black supremacist church for 20 years and then lied about it. If Republicans put up an under-qualified white supremacist-church-going candidate up for office and then shrilly called blacks who didn't vote for him "racist", they'd only be showing their own racial paranoia. As are you.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

hey getral, i got 36 years of bidens' motor mouth, the man has been stupid for a long time. reminds me of the cartoon character FOGHORN LEGHORN. a dumb as bush is, i'm afraid biden has him beat. i don't care who wins, mccain or obama. if mccain wins, i can enjoy looking at palin, she is easy on the eyes. if obama wins, well the humor of him and biden will be better then any comedy team since abbott and costello. its a win for me either way. by the way, they are all crooks.

Posted by: JIM | September 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The republican convention reminded me of the Klan meeting scene in "O Brother Where Art Thou."
The only thing missing was the burning cross and the obligitory lynching.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Smoking crack for 8 years in high school and college is not "experimenting". That is a crackhead!

Posted by: Kim | September 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

All the heads of state are in town today at the UN, and being that I'm on the East side of Manhattan, I can see Palin from my house!

There are so many years of experience that Sen. Biden brings to this campaign: he knows how to negotiate a peace, he can get Republicans to vote for his bills and gets them passed, he speaks with our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and uses that feedback to get funding for MRAPs, to help stem the casualties of roadside bombings, he has decades of legislation specifically for women's rights and civil rights.

Palin has a pair of Tina Fey glasses.

No contest. There never was. This election should be a no-brainer, folks.

Posted by: Eyerishize | September 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Hey getreal! What about back in June when Obama had the two Muslim women with head scarves removed from the audience. Do you think he is trying to hide something?"

And where did you get your information from? Since it wasn't pasted all over the news and made into an attack ad from the McCain camp, I'd have to say that it was something made up.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

You do realize that McCain's current staff/camp is made up of 188 lobbyists right?

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:36 AM


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Name them.

You do realize that Joe Biden's son, HUNTER BIDEN, is a professional lobbyist, right? You do realize that Barack Obama got a cut rate deal on his property from lobbyist and now convicted former fundraiser ANTOIN REZKO, right? You do realize that Rezko was business partner of Nadhmi Auchi, a guy who worked on Saddam Hussein's bilking of the U.N. oil for food program, right?

Have anything more to say about lobbyists?

Posted by: ttj | September 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a complete joke. A baffoon, IMV, fond of saying things for their shock value which simply goes to his acting out insecurity. Vain...... look at the hair plugs.... disgraceful...... But I love it when he does his act because it simply goes to show what a complete bought and paid for politician he is and how truly out of touch with the reality of America he and his campaiign is. A "professional politician", as I've heard him refer to himself so many times..... simply shows that he believes he has the 'entitlement' to say and do the goof-ball things he says and does. His candidacy simply shows how stupid the whole Obama thing is.... how out of touch and gladly now it will have face it's own music. I love it when he acts out..... he digs his own hole...... the deeper the better, IMV, and good riddance. DELAWARE? Where the Xell is Delaware? Gimme a break here !

Posted by: Storm | September 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a complete joke. A baffoon, IMV, fond of saying things for their shock value which simply goes to his acting out insecurity. Vain...... look at the hair plugs.... disgraceful...... But I love it when he does his act because it simply goes to show what a complete bought and paid for politician he is and how truly out of touch with the reality of America he and his campaiign is. A "professional politician", as I've heard him refer to himself so many times..... simply shows that he believes he has the 'entitlement' to say and do the goof-ball things he says and does. His candidacy simply shows how stupid the whole Obama thing is.... how out of touch and gladly now it will have face it's own music. I love it when he acts out..... he digs his own hole...... the deeper the better, IMV, and good riddance. DELAWARE? Where the Xell is Delaware? Gimme a break here !

Posted by: Storm | September 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Biden is doing a good job. His tongue tends to run away from him but his audiences forgive him that. He connects with people in a way that is very helpful to Obama.

Posted by: mruth | September 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey getreal! What about back in June when Obama had the two Muslim women with head scarves removed from the audience. Do you think he is trying to hide something?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"Don't worry, when Obama wins we will have a big ole bon fire on the White House lawn for flag pins."

Isn't it sad when someone has to post under someone else's name because they're too much of a puss to speak for themselves?

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

SC,

If you want to lie at least make it a good one and at least make it one which the Palin-McCain didn't stick their foot in their mouth about.

Now what is fact is Rick Davis has been on the payroll for Freddie Mac since 2001 until last month.

So you might want to check your facts troll, except you probably could care less about the truth.

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Scuttlebutt:

After one of the early debates, Joe with withdraw "for health reasons" (angina?) and Obama will then name Hillary as VP nominee!

Planned from the beginning?"

Never in a million years. Obama knows what he is doing, he still wouldn't take Hillary she has to high negatives. Not to mention he doesn't really need a former president running around the white house with a different agenda. Obama already put Hillary in her place if there was ever a replacement I bet it would be someone like John Kerry who is a real American war hero.

Posted by: obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The reason Biden keeps "gaffing" is that he actually talks to voters and reporters without reading a teleprompter. He has given over 80 interviews since being chosen as VP! Big difference from Sarah Palin who has given only two interviews and one town hall meeting stuffed with Republican faithful. No hard questions there!

If she's so tough, and if she's really "one of us," then why is she so afraid to talk with voters and reporters? Why does she only address the American people when she has someone to write her words for her?

Joe Biden has traveled all over, talking in person to Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. Obama went on The O'Reilly Factor! Talk about hostile territory. I'd like to see Sarah Palin show some guts and do a real interview with hard questions. If she was really brave, she'd go on the Daily Show!

Posted by: Not fooled in NC | September 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"I have 8 years of ammo what have you got? "

Lets not forget Bill and his infamous "I smoked, but I didn't inhale" comment. That one still makes me laugh to this day :P

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, when Obama wins we will have a big ole bon fire on the White House lawn for flag pins.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kim, Bush snorted coke and is an alcoholic. And yes Bush is still an alcoholic. Once an alcoholic always an alocholic. June 15th 2006 Bush insulted a blind man by aking him if he was going to ask his question with his "shades on." Wallsten, the blind man, has Stargardts disease. If you want to play that game let's go. I have 8 years of ammo what have you got?

Posted by: getreal | September 24, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"Do not argue with me. I have the world's number one election blog. Really. BFF. OMG."

Really? Lets see it then. Because I doubt it has a single thing to do with the election and just nothing but spewing hate towards black people and former drug users. Go peddle your racism elsewhere.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Well this should give people pause about thinking Biden was a good pick.. this is what he said yesterday speaking about the stock market crash of 1929...

“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed," He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’”

But here's the problem with Biden’s statement, Herbert Hoover was president in 1929 and TV was not yet invented. So doesn't that raise the question does Biden know what he's talking about or was he just having one of his senior moments??

Posted by: rss | September 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

All the heads of state are in town today at the UN, and being that I'm on the East side of Manhattan, I can see Palin from my house!

There are so many years of experience that Sen. Biden brings to this campaign: he knows how to negotiate a peace, he can get Republicans to vote for his bills and gets them passed, he speaks with our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and uses that feedback to get funding for MRAPs, to help stem the casualties of roadside bombings, he has decades of legislation specifically for women's rights and civil rights.

Palin has a pair of Tina Fey glasses.

No contest. There never was. This election should be a no-brainer, folks.

Posted by: Erin Medlicott | September 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"I done seen Sarah debatifying back in '06 during the goobernatoreal election in Alasker. She done right well. You igorant libral democits will be a-cryin when she sashays into the white house."

If your a democrate please stop, you are not helping us. Palin is going down, it will be like when Mike Tyson took down Spinks in like 91 seconds.

This election is over, Obama has it in the bag. Like I said, mark my words.. Obama has this locked down.


Posted by: obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I have been following the race closely for months now. In the past few weeks I was fairly busy, but I still managed to watch various news shows and keep up with the race. I have heard almost nothing about Biden's gaffes. All his gaffes make good blurbs for the cable news crowd but it is not permeating the general electorate. The chattering class needs something to chatter about and the Dems need something to worry about. If this is the best they have, I am not impressed. Biden, for the most part, is doing exactly what he needs to: touring the rust belt speaking to demographics Obama needs and shoring up concerns about Obamas inexperience. All this stuff about gaffes is just sound and fury.

Posted by: KyleR | September 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

seems to me wrote, "I done seen Sarah debatifying back in '06 during the goobernatoreal election in Alasker. She done right well. You igorant libral democits will be a-cryin when she sashays into the white house."

Shouldn't that be "goobanatoreal"?

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Maybe when Barry Obama shares some drugs WITH ME, we can find some common ground.

Experience doesn't matter.

Policies don't matter.

This election is about PERSONALITY and RACE.

Do not argue with me. I have the world's number one election blog. Really. BFF. OMG.

XOXOXOXOXO

Posted by: 37th&OSTreet | September 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Apparently neither political side is able to entertain a thought without a huge uproar..all candidates have their benefits and their defining moments in the spotlight. John McCain, outside of the prisoner of war background hasn't done much besides get rich. Joe Bidden hasn't done much but talk. These two new comers won't do much but talk..so see we are all in similar situations dispite what our parties promise. Reality bit here..if Obama had picked hillary do you think McCain would've even considered Palin? Nope...If Obama knew McCain would've picked palin do you think he would've picked Hillary? Heck yeah! So in reality neither candidate picked the best person for the job, they both picked partners who would strengthen their campaigns from a medias perspective and not for the best interest of the american public. So righty radicals on their high horse can continue to be blinded by Karl Rove's master of manipulation tactics. Lefty's can keep dreaming about change all we want and hide behind a batch of empty words spewed by a charismatic speaker (really besides pointing out the obvious what has he really said?). Until we take control of the smaller offices of council members, senators, congress and their underlings a presidents arms are tied. We allowed politicians to forget they work for "WE" the people outside of the 12 months they spend campaigning. Good luck thinking Mc Cain and Palin will be a good choice..considering Palin's outlandish comments on socialism and human rights (and boy if they win let's hope old mac can survive for 4 years, could you imagine her as president..laughing stock of the world I tell ya)..i'll risk my next four years on the back of Obama's team at least then we know it can't get any worse than it is now.

Posted by: kayser9soze | September 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama's getting economic advice from Franklin Raines, former CEO of Fannie Mae...what else do you have to say???

Hey Frank...hope you enjoying your millions in bonuses from faulty accounting...you CRIMINAL!

Posted by: SC | September 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Scuttlebutt:

After one of the early debates, Joe with withdraw "for health reasons" (angina?) and Obama will then name Hillary as VP nominee!

Planned from the beginning?

Posted by: Rusty | September 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"Info writes "Amazingly Chris leaves off the fact that Biden told Couric that FDR spoke spoke to the nation on TV after the 1929 stock market crash."

Oh noes! Biden accidentally said TV when he obviously meant radio. Stop the presses! You conservative ditto heads don't do your side any favors by endlessly repeating such trivialities as if they actually mattered. It just makes you look desperate.

Palin trying to assert that she has foreign policy experience because "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" Now THAT's droolingly stupid.

I can't wait for the VP debate."

Ummmm, it wasn't just that he said TV; that could easily be a slip up. FDR wasn't president in 1929. Desperate is when you make comments that are filled with mistakes and go against the top of the ticket.

You may want to put down the Obama crack pipe and step away.

Posted by: vamp | September 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Ahhh, the ubiquitous '08 political pig does an encore, this time with wings!

As for Biden, his most striking trait is the disconnect between his self-perception and the way he comes across to others, between his cringe-inducing pomposity and his cringe-inducing ridiculousness. Those two traits add up to more than the sum of their parts in making the man into a running bad joke.

I'm an Obama supporter, and the Biden selection has given me pause concerning my candidate's judgment.

Posted by: Miss Hogynist | September 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I done seen Sarah debatifying back in '06 during the goobernatoreal election in Alasker. She done right well. You igorant libral democits will be a-cryin when she sashays into the white house.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't think my comments are at all racist. I know reality and how the world really works. Like last night, a black person kept driving by my house. It was very suspicous so I called the police.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

YOU CAN PICK OUT THE KKKer's on this board without much problem. Their words virtually drip with venom. Here's an example:

The only business or economic experience that Obama has on his resume is buying cocaine.


What is wrong with the democrats that they would nominate this guy who appears to have devoted his career to maxing out every affirmative action program he can find including the selection of democratic delegates?


The fact that the democratic superdelegates chose Obama PROVES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS UNFIT TO RUN THIS COUNTRY AND UNFIT TO RIGHT THE ECONOMY - THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY RECKLESS IN THEIR CHOICE OF OBAMA AND APPEAR WILLING TO RISK THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THIS COUNTRY ON AN INEXPERIENCED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GUY.


WHY RISK THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THIS NATION ON SOMEONE WHO SHOWS SIGNS OF PANIC AT THE MENTION OF SARAH PALIN ???


Why risk this country's economic health on an inexperienced affirmative action guy who is an admitted cocaine user???

Posted by: Perry | September 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"White oppressor."
Michele Obama'

She thinks america is the "White Oppessor"

For the first time in her adult life,
she is proud of america???

YIKES!!!
Lets take a deep breathe,
and think about this.
What is her Nation Of Islam name
going to be??

Posted by: steelworker for mccain | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

When the debates are over and both Obama and Biden have been made to look like the goofy idiots that they are ... maybe we can get serious about the election. Obama has been avoiding McCain for months when asked to participate in Town Hall meetings ... a platform where he would have answer questions without a script and without rehearsal. Biden consistently makes an idiot of himself, so let's get this "show" on the road ... Bring on the debates !!!!!

Posted by: sk1966 | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

37th&OStreet. Your facts are a little skewed there. But since you seem to be prejudice I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain everything wrong in your last statement.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Three Reasons to Support McCain
Robert A. Hall

Security

If Islamic Terrorists obtain the materials and knowhow, they will set off an atomic bomb in Washington, DC, murdering millions, triggering the worst depression in history, and guaranteeing the suspension of constitutional liberties to gain security.
They believe Allah commands them to establish Islam as a unified political-religious system controlling the world, where women are chattel and freedom of speech and religion no longer exist.
John McCain has the experience, leadership and demonstrated courage to protect us from creeping accommodation with the tyranny of Shari’a law, and a Jihad that includes nuclear genocide.

Economy
The implosion of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over bad mortgages is driving the economic turmoil. In 2005, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill, S-190, was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill to give regulators new powers would have required the companies eliminate investments in risky assets. John McCain was one of three sponsors of the bill. It was blocked by Senate Democrats, including Chris Dodd and Barack Obama, who were the leading recipients of political contributions from employees and PACs of Fannie and Freddie over the years.
Obama has attacked free trade through NAFTA and promised to “soak the rich” by raising capital gains taxes. Hopefully he’s just pandering to economically-ignorant voters. His advisors must know raising trade barriers locked in the great depression, and that increasing the CG tax has always reduced government revenue, by driving job-creating investments out of the market. But can we take the chance he’s lying?
A naïve President Obama backed by a solidly Democratic congress will give us the situation of the late 1970s, when a naïve President Carter, backed by a strongly Democratic congress produced interest rates over 20%, and a “misery index” (inflation and unemployment combined) that hit 22%. Brace yourself.

Experience

If choosing an airline pilot, a heart surgeon or a carpenter, you’d choose one with over 20 year’s experience before one with under four. Sen. Obama doesn’t have four year’s experience at the national level, to McCain’s 20+ years. As Commander-in-Chief, McCain has over 20 years in the military, Obama zero.
Obama’s assertion that Iraq was soaking up translators needed in Afghanistan (they speak different languages) and that we should ask the UN Security Council to condemn Russia’s invasion of Georgia (Russia has a Council veto) betray a minimal understanding of world affairs that no rock-star speech in Germany can remedy.
These are the best reasons to back McCain. But if you need more, Obama, like most Democrat leaders, is an attorney, deeply committed to the trial lawyers, whose lawsuits drive up the cost of health care and everything else. He’s deeply committed to teachers’ unions, thus opposed to parental choice of schools and fixing our crumbling system. He’s deeply committed to labor bosses, thus supports taking the secret union ballot away from working people. Despite recent pandering, he’s deeply opposed to developing America’s energy sources—think $10-a-gallon gas in four years.
And he’s probably going to be our next president. But don’t blame me. I’m voting for McCain.
Robert A. Hall is a Marine Vietnam veteran who served five terms in the Massachusetts senate.


Posted by: Bob Hall | September 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"It may be that I was right after all - that Obama should've picked Bayh. Certainly McCain wouldn't have picked Palin then."

What are you talking about? Obama wanted a woman on the Republican ticket, this was planned out. No way he makes that mistake. I'm sure he saw how successful he was against a female canditate (Billary) and how he was able to slap her down like a nothing. He figured if he could do it to Hillary if McClown picked a female that he would be able to easily do it again. This for a better lack of a term is the old Bush Strategery and it worked like a charm.

You mark my words, McClown/Palin will be pimp slapped down just like Obama pimp slapped that semi-female Hillary.

Posted by: obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

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The only business or economic experience that Obama has on is buying cocaine.

THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN MAY COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS STATEMENT.


THE STATEMENT IS 100% CORRECT. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO PLACE OBAMA IN CHARGE OF THE ECONOMY WITH HIS COMPLETE LACK OF BUSINESS OR ECONOMIC EXPERIENCE.

WHY TAKE THE RISK?

WE DON'T HAVE TO - WE HAVE MCCAIN.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Like the Washington Post itself- these comments on the blogs continue to get more vapid day by day.

Posted by: peter DC | September 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Info writes "Amazingly Chris leaves off the fact that Biden told Couric that FDR spoke spoke to the nation on TV after the 1929 stock market crash."

Oh noes! Biden accidentally said TV when he obviously meant radio. Stop the presses! You conservative ditto heads don't do your side any favors by endlessly repeating such trivialities as if they actually mattered. It just makes you look desperate.

Palin trying to assert that she has foreign policy experience because "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" Now THAT's droolingly stupid.

I can't wait for the VP debate.

Posted by: Chip_M | September 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

QUESTION-"Why risk this country's economic health on an inexperienced affirmative action guy who is an admitted cocaine user???"

ANSWER-Considering that we've risked this country's economic health for the PAST 8 YEARS on an inexperienced, "bush family silver spoon" affirmative action guy who is an admitted alcoholic and suspected cocaine user, Republicans are honestly the LAST ones to make any noise about those things.

Posted by: Rolling in the aisles with laughter!!!!!!!! | September 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

37thOStreet. Why not just come out and say that you don't like him because he's black? I mean skirting around it doesn't dull down the basic point you're trying to make.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

It's really quite a comparison we get between the two VP nominees, isn't it? The elder statesman vs. the new governor of Alaska.

They are campaigning differently, too. Biden is focusing on smaller groups, making a concerted grass-roots effort in swing states to make inroads into voter populations that have not warmed up to Obama. Palin seems to be running a more national campaign, appearing almost always with McCain, whipping up support from the party base and driving national media headlines.

Even the message delivery is different. Biden, whether the Obama campaign likes it or not, is pretty much off the leash. Palin's message is much more controlled - she's repeating the same phrases from her convention speech and has not been permitted to do any ad hoc campaigning.

The differences come down to the goal. The Obama campaign thinks that the election can be won by stripping away votes from the middle and possibly from disenchanted Republicans. McCain's campaign believes victory will come from a unified party. And really, both are right. The question is which VP nominee will be more effective?

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It may be that I was right after all - that Obama should've picked Bayh. Certainly McCain wouldn't have picked Palin then.

Posted by: Justin | September 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The only business or economic experience that Obama has on his resume is buying cocaine.


What is wrong with the democrats that they would nominate this guy who appears to have devoted his career to maxing out every affirmative action program he can find including the selection of democratic delegates?


The fact that the democratic superdelegates chose Obama PROVES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS UNFIT TO RUN THIS COUNTRY AND UNFIT TO RIGHT THE ECONOMY - THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY RECKLESS IN THEIR CHOICE OF OBAMA AND APPEAR WILLING TO RISK THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THIS COUNTRY ON AN INEXPERIENCED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GUY.


WHY RISK THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THIS NATION ON SOMEONE WHO SHOWS SIGNS OF PANIC AT THE MENTION OF SARAH PALIN ???


Why risk this country's economic health on an inexperienced affirmative action guy who is an admitted cocaine user???

.

Posted by: 37thOStreet | September 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Y'all are acting very smart alec. Sarah Palin will knock all of you off her feet when she gets permission to speak off a teleprompter.

Just you wait. You'll be eating your words you lazy libs!!!!!!"

What are you talking about? The reason she is not talking is she is doing what she is told. Exactly like all women should do, which is what Hillary did when Obama pimp slapped her down. Who really cares what she has to say she is a no body. Period.

Posted by: obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

black individuals either chose to or felt pressured to come together with other blacks on campus because of the belief that blacks must join in solidarity to combat the White oppressor.
Michele Obama'

I dont think she will be reading to
kindergarteners'

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I was not pleased when Obama picked Joe Biden to be VP, but then they appeared to be compatible, and Biden added a little more forthrightness to Mr. Always a Gentleman, Obama. But to make such a statement in contradiction to Obama's is WAY out of order.
To put it in military jargon, Obama, in this case, is the Commanding Officer and Biden is a staff member UNDER Obama. One does NOT overrule/contradict his/her C.O. Biden was wrong, and I hope he puts the breaks on his mouth before speaking.

Posted by: Vampirella | September 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Unmuzzle Sarah Palin, please!

Posted by: Kentucky Colonel | September 24, 2008 11:38 AM

***

Calling Sarah Palin a dog? How offensive!

Bad Kentucky Colonel, bad.

Posted by: Idiocracy | September 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Y'all are acting very smart alec. Sarah Palin will knock all of you off her feet when she gets permission to speak off a teleprompter.

Just you wait. You'll be eating your words you lazy libs!!!!!!

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Picture this:

It's february 2009, John McCain is hospitalized with a serious stroke.
Sarah Palin is sworn in as President of the United States of America.

Do you:

1.Say a prayer for McCain and celebrate the first woman president? or;
2.Withdraw any savings you have left, take your guns and ammo and head for the only safe place in America?
See you in Juneau.

Posted by: Diane | September 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

QUOTE REPLY"Picture this:

It's february 2009, John McCain is hospitalized with a serious stroke.
Sarah Palin is sworn in as President of the United States of America.

Do you:

1.Say a prayer for McCain and celebrate the first woman president? or;
2.Withdraw any savings you have left, take your guns and ammo and head for the only safe place in America?
See you in Juneau."

This is my exact point, if Americans don't think Billary can be president what makes them think that Palin could? This is the exact reason Obama pimp slapped Hillary down in the primaries; and its the exact same reason that Obama is going to do it to McClown and Palin.

Posted by: obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The only business or economic experience is buying cocaine.


What is wrong with the democrats that they would nominate this guy.


The fact that the democratic superdelegates chose Obama PROVES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS UNFIT TO RUN THIS COUNTRY AND RIGHT THE ECONOMY.


WHY RISK THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THIS NATION ON SOMEONE WHO SHOWS SIGNS OF PANIC AT THE MENTION OF SARAH PALIN ???

Why risk this country's economic health on an inexperienced affirmative action guy who is an admitted cocaine user???


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats should be swept into office this year by just avoiding answering any questions, race baiting and the real fear of the electorate with the economy; it's working so far. It must be difficult for Biden knowing he has 100 times more experience to play second banana to the American idol.

Posted by: fixfan | September 24, 2008 7:04 AM


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That's hilarious....but you're right. The democratic ticket is ahead in polls just by avoiding answering any questions. It's a sad comment on our electoral process and the disinterest of the media.

Posted by: ttj | September 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

In my long lifetime there have been a lot of difficult decisions. The 2008 election is not one of them. From everything I've seen and heard (had to really hunt to get the truth due to partisan media), the decision (based on experience, intelligence, courage, & character) is the Obama/Biden combo. McCain is an known quanity in terms of his quick temper, spontaneous outbursts, and bizarre quick decisions. Even conservative columnist George Will yesterday seriously questioned whether McCain's temperament makes him suitable to be president. And of course, it all gets worse with age.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Picture this:

It's february 2009, John McCain is hospitalized with a serious stroke.
Sarah Palin is sworn in as President of the United States of America.

Do you:

1.Say a prayer for McCain and celebrate the first woman president? or;
2.Withdraw any savings you have left, take your guns and ammo and head for the only safe place in America?
See you in Juneau.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

biden is biden, at least he has willingness and capacity to actually talk to the press... unlike palin. fwiw, if he or palin had to take over and the election were based on this condition then biden would win in a landslide. biden has solid grasp of global politics and is a middle class advocate at heart, yeah he speaks out of turn etc. but he is knowledgeable and willing to listen and understand big picture realities of governing.

Posted by: d watson | September 24, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse


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To the poster who is probably sitting near David Axelrod with the name "Xander":

STOP WITH THE DECEPTIONS

YOU DO KNOW THAT OBAMA HAS THE PEOPLE WHO RAN FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC ON HIS CAMPAIGN


OBAMA IS CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE WHO RAN THE MORTGAGE FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC INTO THE GROUND


OBAMA CAN NOT RUN HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN ON DAVID AXELROD'S DECEPTIONS, DISTRACTIONS, LIES AND FALSELY CLAIMING TO BE OFFENED BY INNOCENT REMARKS.


OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN HAS BECOME A COMPLETE JOKE.


HOW ABOUT A CAMPAIGN THEME THAT YOU GUYS STICK TO ????

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

QUOTE REPLY"No one is saying that a former crackhead cannot be successful at life. We are just not comfortable giving him access to nukes. OBAMA admitted to sustained drug abuse involving crack cocaine, marijuana and alcohol all through high school and college."

Obama isn't currently using the drugs, and who really cares? He was up front and said what he had experimented with in his younger years. Palin on the other hand will always have PMS, McClown will be dead a month after the campain ... face it he is old. You can't possibly think that Palin could deal with running the country, she is after all only a Governer. The PMS issue is huge, I have a feeling its why Obama was able to easily PIMP slap her during the primaries. She is just lucky he stopped really campaining after super Tuesday.

Posted by: obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I support McCain on almost everything but I'm getting worried about the campaign strategy to keep his VP candidate muzzled.

Has anyone talked to the McCain strategists about this? It's becoming counterproductive especially since Sarah's positive impression poll numbers are going down.

I really hope that McCain will start letting Sarah do interviews and otherwise making herself more accessible to the media (at least Fox Media) so that the complaining can be squelched once and for all.

Unmuzzle Sarah Palin, please!

Posted by: Kentucky Colonel | September 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

In my long lifetime there have been a lot of difficult decisions. The 2008 election is not one of them. From everything I've seen and heard (had to really hunt to get the truth due to partisan media), the decision (based on experience, intelligence, courage, & character) is McCain/Palin. Obama is an unknown quanity in an empty suit (scary) and Biden is a classic, stereotypical, cloned example of a do-nothing Washington politician.

Posted by: JohnnyG | September 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

For anyone doubting Biden's ability to help or not in this race, watch these two videos.

First McCain on the subprime crisis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmIJ5Aag2Q

Next, Biden on the same topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qgIPj_w3uk

Which of these two persons would you want running the White House?

Posted by: piktor | September 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"MCCAIN HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND MILITARY BACKGROUND TO FIGHT THE WALL STREET LOBBYISTS, SET THE WALL STREET BROKERS STRAIGHT, STOP THE OUTSIZED COMPENSATION PACKAGES AND PLACE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO BEING STRONG AGAIN."

You do realize that McCain's current staff/camp is made up of 188 lobbyists right?

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Heard a clever jibe on Biden a few days ago to the effect that nine states think he is /their/ Senator. Silly; but isn't it kinda true? Besides Delaware, he has a solid, steady rep in NJ, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Ohio, and Virginia among a lot of so-called Reagan Democrats -- the kind of people for whom that comment about 'working on your pecs' is not only cool, but even affectionate.

While Gov. Palin is in the headlines -- and remember, the more we learn about her and her regime of petty cronyism and corruption, the more we dislike her -- Solid Joe is plugging along, holding down the damage on that flank. And Pennsylvania and Ohio do seem at this point to be in the tank, right?

Posted by: Bob | September 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

No one is saying that a former crackhead cannot be successful at life. We are just not comfortable giving him access to nukes. OBAMA admitted to sustained drug abuse involving crack cocaine, marijuana and alcohol all through high school and college.

Posted by: War on Drugs | September 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

So Senator Biden acts like himself.

So what? That is what you get.

The smartest person in the Senate. But also the one who grilled our people in Iraq to show his vanity. A true human being, to be sure.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | September 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Did Obama make a mistake in selecting Biden? I don't think so. He made a fully-informed decision about who would be the best vice president for the ticket. As much as I like and admire Sen. Clinton and think she would be an excellent president or veep, having her as the #1 or #2 on the Democratic ticket would have been a bad move. She simply has too much baggage - whether fairly earned or not.

Posted by: KateN | September 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

No wonder Princeton University was trying to hide Michelle Obama's senior thesis. The Politico has gotten ahold of it, and, wow! What an angry woman who has a serious problem with blacks and whites living together in an integrated society.
Barack Obama and the Democrats should face reality. This senior paper dooms any hope of the Obama couple being elected to the White House.

You will vote for barack and michele
but you wont take the time to read how
she feels about '''white society'''

Posted by: simonsays | September 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

QUOTE REPLY"Actually I wouldn't blame Palin on that one. You have to remember that when they are out campaigning, they are going to multiple cities/states every day. With the extreme amount of work (and no free time) that these candidates go through, I think cutting them a little slack is in order. Even McCain is getting exhausted from it. He's having to use Ambien to keep up with his sleep. Although people are griping about it, I honestly don't blame him. At his age, with all of the health issues he's had/has, I'm sure it would be difficult to get a decent nights sleep while on the road that much."

I agree, and I am sure Palin has been PMsing constantly. Can you really trust a woman with the controlls? One day she gets up and is all pmsing and decides to take out Iran just because. With Post, and Pre PMS.. don't they only have like 5 good days a month where they don't want to tear someones head off? Yup, another pimp slapping is in order.

Posted by: obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

MCCAIN HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND MILITARY BACKGROUND TO FIGHT THE WALL STREET LOBBYISTS, SET THE WALL STREET BROKERS STRAIGHT, STOP THE OUTSIZED COMPENSATION PACKAGES AND PLACE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO BEING STRONG AGAIN.


I don't understand. He's had 26 years to do this. So why hasn't he ALREADY done it? Of all the things I've heard him talk about, #1, #2, #3.... up to #10 have all had something to do with aggression.

Posted by: Cooper | September 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

On balance, the Biden choice will be a net positive for Obama. What the series of gaffes says most of all to me is that the teeneagers running Obama's campaign don't consider Biden important enough to brief properly on what they're doing.

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Posted by: factota | September 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"I pray that Sarah Palin will soon be over that nasty laringitis attack and will be able to show those complaining libs that she is extremely endowed with knowledge and has an intellect that would impress even Biden.

Please pray for Sarah's quick recovery. Thanks."

Wow, not bad. That was a pretty decent attempt at making things up. Fiction is fun to write isn't it?

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a babbling, bumbling buffoon!

Allegedly a foreign policy expert who can't even get America's history right.

AND it's "patriotic" to pay more taxes than anyone else!?

“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” —Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: Winghunter | September 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

usa3

you obviously have not read a stitch about the facts about Palin

"work Obama and Biden under the table"

r u freakin kidding? lol

start reading how bad she actually was at her jobs...

no wonder it all started in her step aerobics class...ugh

Posted by: dl | September 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

you think michele hasnt called
barack the 'c' word.
he is scared to death of
that man hating,
whitey baiting,
beast!

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The reason Obama choose Biden is he knew McCain was going to choose a girl. Obama pimp slapped Billary back into the dark ages, now he is going to do it to Palin. After all we all know she is just a woman.

Posted by: obamapwnsu | September 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a nutcase, but the real curiosity is at the top of the ticket. Obama does not have the experience to be president of the U.S., and beyond that he brings with him a series of liabilities that call his moral qualifications for the office into question. His backers say: "None of that matters" and he has been able to avoid all scrutiny about this. Okay...that's fine...Should Obama get elected, Biden will end up managing the country by default. Can't be more of an embarrassment than Bill Clinton.

Posted by: ttj | September 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The only reason I will vote for Barack Obama is because he selected Joe Biden as his vice president pick. Joe Biden is a man of integrity who is qualified for the job and has many years of public service under his belt. His foreign policy credentials are important during this time of international crises.

Posted by: Scranton PA | September 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"But after GOP's pick Sarah Palin stole the spot light from him, he was back to who he was, looked tired and gloomy. Sometimes, he looked sleepy and even slipped "my muslim faith" on ABC"

Actually I wouldn't blame Palin on that one. You have to remember that when they are out campaigning, they are going to multiple cities/states every day. With the extreme amount of work (and no free time) that these candidates go through, I think cutting them a little slack is in order. Even McCain is getting exhausted from it. He's having to use Ambien to keep up with his sleep. Although people are griping about it, I honestly don't blame him. At his age, with all of the health issues he's had/has, I'm sure it would be difficult to get a decent nights sleep while on the road that much.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What about the 'on the TV'
who had a TV in 1932?
biden invents facts as he
goes along.
what a smuck.
He is running for president
and you dopes dont listen to
a word he says,
'barack and I, when we're president,"

Posted by: simonsays | September 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

and the ______s, like Nobama
that say "Obama's in trouble"

turn on your tv's McCain is going down

because the American people aren't stupid enough to be fooled a third time.

Posted by: dl | September 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Obama should have vetted his VP more, then he would have seen this coming.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I pray that Sarah Palin will soon be over that nasty laringitis attack and will be able to show those complaining libs that she is extremely endowed with knowledge and has an intellect that would impress even Biden.

Please pray for Sarah's quick recovery. Thanks.

Posted by: McCain & Palin WITHOUT FAIL | September 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Big deal. Who the heck cares?

Could be worse. He could have called his wife the "C" word in public like McCain.

Posted by: Anne | September 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

37th and O:

you posted the same screed three times. I guess you figure repetition makes it true.

I read in order, from the bottom up, so I only got the last two paragraphs before your shouting gave me a headache, so I will only comment on them:

SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? PUT ANOTHER AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GUY IN CHARGE OF THE ECONOMY?

First, if you are saying that Obama got into college as an Affirmative Action candidate, that is a lie. Indeed, the one who got into college due to circumstances other than his abilities would be McCain, who got into the Naval Academy as a Legacy Candidate.

MCCAIN HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND MILITARY BACKGROUND TO FIGHT THE WALL STREET LOBBYISTS, SET THE WALL STREET BROKERS STRAIGHT, STOP THE OUTSIZED COMPENSATION PACKAGES AND PLACE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO BEING STRONG AGAIN.

Even McCain has admitted that his grasp of Economics leaves something to be desired. As for the Military background to fight Wall Street, unless you are proposing sending tanks or airstrikes into New York, a Military background might not be the optimal point of view.

Posted by: SourPuss | September 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

sarah palin could work biden or obama
under the table, these career politicians
have never done a days work in their lives.
you people are trying to be politically
correct, think about the future of this
country. working people first????
and you vote for two loser lawyers?
biden SUCKS, and obama is a special interest project, say anything, idiot,
he has a vision, of his name in lights.
no vision for america.
listen to everything the clintons
are not saying about him.
he is an empty suit that gets the
I feel guilty about blacks. vote.

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I was a Hillary supporter during the primaries, but I feel that if she suddenly became Obama's running mate it would make him even more untrustworthy than I already find him.

Biden being brought in has made me seriously consider voting for Obama. I like his stance on many issues, I like that he can't stop himself from saying certain things that politicians tend not to. And, of course, the foreign policy experience.

It helps that the more we find out about Palin, the worse she seems. Like with the rape kit thing. How could women vote for her?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

simonsays and info
duh


This is all they have is spinning false info and bologne..
Biden said FDR talked about it ...never said DURING the actual literal announcement AS President but this is you all not understanding history

who got us in the messes and who got us out.

in the analogy

Mccain is hoover

Obama is FDR.

lets take a look

1st trillion gone

Mccain Keating s&L crisis and deregulation

2nd trillion wasted
McCain Bush the Iraq War

3rd trillion gone

Mccain Gramm Davis ...and the list goes on

deregulation AGAIN! ugh

throw Hoover out and let's start talking FDR.

when the Buck stops it won't be with mcCain and Bush

it will be with the people who lied and those who were foolish and dumb enough to have voted for them.... again.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I like Joe Biden more than Obama, I wished it was Biden/Obama than Obama/Biden. I just don't like Obama's personality (arrogant) and seems he thinks too high of himself. After Democratic convention, he seemed more arrogant and proud of himself. But after GOP's pick Sarah Palin stole the spot light from him, he was back to who he was, looked tired and gloomy. Sometimes, he looked sleepy and even slipped "my muslim faith" on ABC. I can undertand Joe's frastruation with this campaign. He seems not happy with what he's doing. Whitle campaigning in PA, he had lunch with a laday and that laday said, I want to vote for you but not to Obama because he's a muslim. Joe had to sell Obama throughout his campaign and I don't think he's happy with it.

Now with Joe's loose lips, Bill Clinton's indirectly endorsement to McCain on the View, Bill Clinton's appreciation for Sarah Palin's appeal and Obama's campaign having a hard time pursuing Hilary's supporters to vote for him.......I think Obama's campaign is in a bad shape.

Posted by: nobama | September 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Biden's doing exactly what he is supposed to do: Retail politics. He is doing the face to face stuff in some pretty tough areas, changing voter's minds in local outlets. That in fact is what a VP nominee is supposed to do.

Really, Palin is hardly an asset to McCain, since she is unable to actually go out and answer veter's questions. She has also handicapped McCain since he can no longer afford to appear without her, since alone he only draws a few hundred people.

Posted by: alfred jarry | September 24, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the worst possible choice.

One thing nobody seems to mention is that Biden is one of the biggest enemies of American's second amendment rights that there is. I considered voting for Obama at one point...but this veep choice has made a ravenous opponent out of me.

So much for Democrat's whining about Republicans violating Americans constitutional rights.

Posted by: No-bama | September 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Biden has been no help at all, other than as an alternative to the incompetence, inexperience and political radicalism of Palin. Biden needs to be pounding McCain daily and yet he wanders off on frolics of his own. Get tougher, Joe!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who has any knowledge at all about the historic role of VPs (King Cheney notwitstanding) wouldn't even think that the VP has much influence... unless the President dies, of course.

Let us all pray that if John McCain is elected, THAT HE DOES NOT DIE IN OFFICE!!

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I'm still having trouble thinking of Biden as an agent of change. McCain, to some extent. Pallin, for sure. Biden, status quo++. Obama, I really don't understand how Obama's first meaningful action as a candidate is going with the status quo when he talks continuously about how he will be change. He seems like a more political, less sincere version of Carter to me.

Posted by: DT | September 24, 2008 11:14 AM

Posted by: Bill from Mars | September 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a gaffe machine because he tries to please the one he's with. He is just like the pandering left and whatever the voter wants with no regard to any character or defining views. Him and Obama are both empty suits.

Posted by: JonC | September 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I would like to give sarah palin
the benefit of the doubt,
but when she said she
plans on visiting all 57
states????
what a dope,
oh wait,
that was obama..
seems to be two sets of standards,
depending on who your paper is
supporting. Propaganda is Fascist,
and the post is Hitler in heels.

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Chris, you're too inside the bubble. ;-)

The people I know who weren't terribly thrilled with either McCain or Obama ARE reassured with Biden and appalled by Palin. Biden is just being Biden, and they're glad to see Obama isn't panicking and shortening the leash. Of course they have differences of opinion - so what?

Obama said from the beginning that they don't see everything identically, and he wanted someone who would be honest and up-front, making sure any "blind spots" wouldn't be skipped. He said he liked Doris Kearns "Team of Rivals" book - same point.

Why would anyone want someone who adds nothing to discussions? Who wants a trophy VP?

Posted by: Tom J | September 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the candidate that people are glad will BE Vice President

not the candidate that people are glad is running for Vice President.

Palin might as well be a cardboard cut out with a tape recorder behind her.

Nice advertizement...

bad product.

Biden good product funny advertisement.

Posted by: dl | September 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

if there is some1 on prescribed
mindaltering drugs are the mccains
and for a good reason. How to keep up
with all tensions and fear to be unmasked?
closer to the end mccain wants
and apocalyptic end 4the planet crystalclear he does not care
and pushes for it with pony un-fair palin
whose bodytan machine(s) sansdoute helpful
to seduce old alligators like
kiss-inger. the erotic factor to
an impotent party with a resentful elder(s)
in command indeed very dangerous for us all.

Posted by: snowhite | September 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Amazingly Chris leaves off the fact that Biden told Couric that FDR spoke spoke to the nation on TV after the 1929 stock market crash. I guess it shouldn't be so amazing when you consider how in the tank he is.

Biden's so stupid he makes Palin look like a Nobel laureate.

Posted by: info | September 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Re. Dianne72: "I predict that when Obama loses in November the blacks will riot, loot, and kill. This is consistent with their behavior when the weather is hot or basketball/rap star is convicted of crimes." Really? Never heard about Whites who committed slavery? Never heard about Whites who committed ethnic cleansing against millions of Native Americans? Never heard about a White Christian named Hitler who committed genocide?

Posted by: Sarah Ahmadinejad Palin | September 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

What a ditz'
she said FDR talked
to the nation on TV when
the stock market crashed
in '29, this air head
is a minor league,
oh wait,
that was biden.
sorry sarah.
I must be blinded by
the incredibly biased
Teflon bs I keep hearing here.
no, nothing sticks to these gaffe
machine lawyers who rule the
democratic party.

Posted by: simonsays | September 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

GAFFE! GAFFE!! GAFFE!!!!! GAFFE!!!!!!!


The biggest gaffe that Biden has made is in not discussing just how air headed and superficial his counterpart, Sarah Palin is.

"Sarah, I know Hillary Clinton. I've worked with Hillary Clinton. And Sarah, you're no Hillary Clinton!!!!"

Posted by: LMAO | September 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Biden has the chops to talk to the press and take the heat when he errs. We certainly can't say the same for Barbie Doll Palin who refuses/can't talk. She clearly can't take the spotlight. Imagine when The Old Guy kicked that she can't hack it.

If something happened to Obama, Biden could walk in and handle the job.

Posted by: free bird | September 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

sorry guys

it helps

Biden is everything we thought he would be

the gaffes don't matter

and his knowledge of the issues does.

that's the bottom line and it is the architecture of what makes obama the better choice

He chooses for being President and helping the country.

Not like McCain who chooses for being a candidate and helping himself.

and adults actually know that.

Posted by: dl | September 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

There are three reasons why this won't end up mattering and McCain can only lose by going after Biden as a campaign issue.

1) Biden's approval rating is 53%. Most people seem to like him, and his 'gaffes'(with the exception of a possibly serious one about coal) are more silly than substantive. In the same perverse way that Palin's complete lack of any qualifications for the national office are embraced as a feel-good 'Mr. Smith Goes to Washington' narrative, Biden's gaffes generally make him seem like an everyman that the person on the street can relate to. Who, after all, *wouldn't* make a verbal slip answering questions 24 hours a day? Bush is a walking gaffe machine and, while he was popular, pointing this out tended to make the accusers look petty.

2) The race is between McCain and Obama, and McCain is the one currently making all the media gaffes despite being completely unwilling to face the press in an uncontrolled setting. Sure, his gaffes are also silly (not knowing who the Spanish leader was), but they are at least as bad as Biden's (the fundamentals of the economy are strong?, confusing sunni and shia?) while coming from the top slot on the ticket.

3) Every day that McCain/Palin fail to hold press briefings of the kind where Biden's gaffes are coming from brings closer the day when the press (or for certain the Obama's campaign) starts qualifying any new stories about Biden with the fact that their opposition is unwilling to answer the same questions from the press pool. The mini revolt of reporters at the UN yesterday is a shade of things to come if they hold this line.

Posted by: cometboy | September 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Noon: "Thanks but no thanks"
1pm: "Thanks but no thanks"
2pm: "Thanks but no thanks"
3pm: "Thanks but no thanks"
4pm: "Thanks but no thanks"
5 pm: "Thanks but no thanks"
6pm: "Thanks but no thanks"
7pm: campaign event appearance
8pm: "Thanks but no thanks:
9pm: Time to change the diapers
10pm: "Thanks but no thanks"

.....ad nauseum

Posted by: Sam | September 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm still having trouble thinking of Biden as an agent of change. McCain, to some extent. Pallin, for sure. Biden, status quo++. Obama, I really don't understand how Obama's first meaningful action as a candidate is going with the status quo when he talks continuously about how he will be change. He seems like a more political, less sincere version of Carter to me.

Posted by: DT | September 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Good analysis Fix. Thanks. I agree with other comments that you should calm your obsession with Sarah Palin a little bit though.

Posted by: Noah | September 24, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"I predict that when Obama loses in November the blacks will riot, loot, and kill. This is consistent with their behavior when the weather is hot or basketball/rap star is convicted of crimes."

Wow, could you be any more racist?

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Relax guys ... unlike narrow-minded McCain who cannot handle criticism and only wants a lapdog with lipstick, broad-minded Obama has said repeatedly he wants a VP who will be sounding board. Do you always agree with your spouse? Smell the roses...

Posted by: John Saddam McCain | September 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I predict that when Obama loses in November the blacks will riot, loot, and kill. This is consistent with their behavior when the weather is hot or basketball/rap star is convicted of crimes.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

McCain has done nothing for the middle class republicans in all his years in office.
His involvement in the last banking collapse in the 80's should remind them of what he really is.
It has not. Their unearned loyalty is self destructive.
His involvement with Phil Gramm and removal of Depression era safeguards on banking should remind them of who he really is.
It has not. Their near-sightedness is mind-boggling.
If McCain becomes president and they are living in tents under the overpass, surely republicans will realize what they have done.
They will not.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Time to come out of your pseudo-intellectual cocoon and face the facts. Your candidate is a former crack-head. Is that too hard for your "intellectual" mind to comprehend? LOL."

And Cindy McCain was a former (we think) multi-drug abuser. What's your point? Are you saying that because of what someone did in their youth that they have no way of overcoming that and becoming a good citizen? Because if that's your case, you might as well let all the former drug users know so that way they know to give up, since you're condemning them to a life of suffering.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Biden will drop out shortly after his debate with Palin. It is a part of a larger conspiracy to bring H. Clinton back on the dream ticket. After the debate in Biden v. Palin, Hillary would never have to debate Palin."

This won't happen for 2 reasons. #1, even though Hillary is campaigning on behalf of Obama, she still ran a really bad race to begin with. #2, They wouldn't risk doing this because they would be seen the same way that McCain is currently, that they're only making their VP choice to secure votes and nothing else. Bringing Hillary back on would demoralize a lot of democrats, and leave a wide open target for the Republicans to attack them unmercilously.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

This is exactly what Obama and everyone else knew that they were getting with Biden. He makes these little verbal gaffes all the time. Nothing really outrageous, but it's annoying.

Chris, I think you're over-hyping the Palin thing here. She came, she peaked, she's old news now and she now polls very badly. Palin now has the highest unfavorable ratings of any of the 4 people between the 2 tickets. Her addition to the ticket has probably cost McCain Colorado, as evidenced by the PPP poll last week showing that independents overwhelmingly decided that they don't like her and moved en masse over to Obama.

Biden doesn't get many headlines at all, and I suspect that is just fine by Obama. Palin still grabs headlines for McCain, but those are usually negative stories.

The bottom line is that Obama has absolutely no reason to be unhappy with what he's gotten out of Biden. Obama is already a big star on his own. He didn't need to make a splash by putting another celebrity on his ticket.

Posted by: Jackson Landers | September 24, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is the reason I stopped preaching OBAMA/CHANGE and decided to stay home on election day and let the cards fall where they may. As far as I can see it's the same as every other election the lesser of two evils. Makes no difference, unless it matters to you WHICH way you get shafted

Posted by: Devin Partyka | September 24, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Biden will drop out shortly after his debate with Palin. It is a part of a larger conspiracy to bring H. Clinton back on the dream ticket. After the debate in Biden v. Palin, Hillary would never have to debate Palin.

Posted by: Kate | September 24, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

roxlaw: Time to come out of your pseudo-intellectual cocoon and face the facts. Your candidate is a former crack-head. Is that too hard for your "intellectual" mind to comprehend? LOL.

Posted by: War on Drugs | September 24, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, that's what you wull have for choosing Biden and not Hillary Clinton,,,,It is or mistake Obama, so deal with it.....

Posted by: Rajah | September 24, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Wish I could debate this cause it's a complex topic but have to do car stuff today... Just want to say a few points:

(1) I like Biden better than I liked him after Obama first pick of him. He appears to have some sort of cognitive deficiency, possibly due to his brain injury, in which he regularly blurts out what he really thinks. This can lead to real debate on issues, instead of the slimy, opportunistic posturing and phony positions Obama takes. I like most of what Biden blurts out -- his admission that the computer cluelessness ad was sleazy was a great thing to say. Obviously, Obama-Biden has wrong positions on raising taxes in a weak economy and disastrous ideas about banning coal plants when we are going broke as a society in large part because we are paying so much for foreign oil and are not ready to be energy independent. But the tax-raising & energy independence-blocking are things that can be debated in a healthy political process. What Obama does, which is lie about what he believes and will do, is dysfunctional sleazy politics from the dark side of the force. Overall, I like Biden for his blurt-outs because they are honest and that leads to a more functional political process.

(2) Biden was right that Clinton was a better choice. He is becoming a distraction and is starting to be a problem. If Obama wants to lock in his gains and gather momentum, Biden should resign the VP candidacy and Obama should ask Clinton to step up. Obama's momentum would skyrocket and his gains would be locked in and the dems wouldn't look back.

(3) It doesn't matter who wins the election now. The bailout package won't fix the problems, just keep the unethical financiers in business who engineered America's status as being on overextended credit in a virtual overleveraged bankruptcy condition. The next president will not have a lot of options. Whomever gets elected will be likely presiding over a severe recession or a depression and will have very few options. It will be bad and the next president probably won't get elected to a second term.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 24, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Xander: 9/11 was not a "tragedy" like Hurricane Katrina. The hurricane is a natural disaster. 9/11 was not a natural disaster but caused by Muslim radicals. Treating 9/11 as a tragedy is infuriating to most Americans."

Yes, and in both instances Americans died. I do not see the difference between the two, minus the reason behind it. Sad to say that the only true tragedy that came from 9/11 is the fact that our president took it upon himself to create the Bush Doctrine and attacked the wrong country with most of our forces.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I like all of the comments bashing Biden which obviously come from republicans. They have to do so since McCain's selection of a running mate was so shallow and obviously all about political advantage and nothing to do with who would actually best serve this country in the circumstance the presidential candidate could not.

Biden solidified my support for Obama just as McCain's selection of Palin further alienated my support for him. I can see Joe Biden stepping in to serve as president, I cannot say the same for Gov. Palin. I feel her selection was a cynical and dangerous choice.

I'll take Joe Biden who as real experience in what matters even with his supposed gaffes any day of the week over a person who has had no interest or world view beyond the borders of Alaska prior to being selected as the vice presidential candidate.

We can only speculate what gaffes Palin would make were she actually accessible to the press. If her Gibson interview is any indication they would be numerous.

And how cynical of the McCain campaign, speed dating foreign leaders does not equate to foreign policy experience. Ready from day one? I think not.

Posted by: Dave | September 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

While I do not believe Senator Biden has been as helpful to the campaign as I had hoped, I am extremely excited about his ability to be a great vice president.

He's never been a great campaigner, but has always produced intelligent dialogue in Congress. (Okay, sometimes a little too much intelligent dialogue, but intelligent none-the-less.)

Maybe I'm wrong, but I do believe Senator Obama selected Senator Biden to help run the country should they be successful. There is no argument that Senator McCain selected Sarah Palin for the sole purpose of winning the election.

Posted by: amaikovich | September 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

War On Drugs,

What are you smoking? You are a one trick poster whose idiotic posts contribute nothing to what is often otherwise a legitimate attempt at intellectual discourse.

Want to talk about drug use? Talk about gwb, jr, cindy mccain, rush limbaugh, et al.

Otherwise, give it a rest!

Posted by: roxlaw | September 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

At least he is not plagiarizing anymore . . . that we know of. Biden got through law school plagiarizing and his campaign for president ended quickly after this came to light. This guy is not virtuous and honest as the Dems blindly think. Both Biden and Obama are frauds with no personal morality or virtues and the American people see that.

Posted by: Biden is a Joke | September 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

A few points.

First, Biden's "gaffes" are not all that egregious.

Second, Biden doesn't just add foreign policy experience, he adds retail politics skills. He knows how to talk with people and he's fiery. He's an old-school Democrat, and that more than foreign policy experience even is what Obama needed to add to his ticket.

Third, Palin's "rock star" status is amplified/sustained by the media echo chamber. A lot of people say they like her. A lot of people like Santa Claus too, but they probably wouldn't vote for him because he's not real, and neither is Palin. She presents an illusion of presidential competence, but doesn't have it (just listen to what she is saying about Georgia, Global Warming, her record -- it runs the gamut from nuts to fraud).

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, here we go with the what school they went and what their grades were argument. I really don't care, it does not make them a more capable of leading or making decisions.

I have no degree, but consider myself to be fairly intelligent. I've also held a Director's postition in 2 international companies because I have the ability to make decisions.

The best trait in a leader is not that they know everything. Knowing everything but not being able to make a decision, just makes you smart. Knowing everything and making a decision against your own best judgement, because you are worried that it will be unpopular with uninformed people, makes you weak. Surrounding yourself with people who know the stuff you don't, and being able to make tough decisions during tough times, makes you a good leader. Now I'm not saying by any means that education is unimportant, but it surely does not automatically make a person the best leader. I'm a firm believer that you cannot teach leadership.

Now, take a look at the records of both candidates and judge not on what school they went to, but what decisions they've made. Compare their decisions to what they've said they believe in vs. how they voted. You will find a leader in that.

Posted by: MikeVa | September 24, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I seriously recommend that Obama start copying the McCain campaign with respect to THEIR VP candidate, and prevent Joe Biden from answering any further questions. The McCain campaign has found that this strategy is highly effective in stopping gaffes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"As a serious supporter Of Senator Obama I think that Biden should understand the rules that the campaign has outlined before he goes out and opens his mouth and puts his foot in it. He is not running his own campaign and someone needs to tell him this. Shut the blankity..blank up.. "

As a serious supporter of Obama, I think that Biden should keep doing what he's doing. The whole reason why he was chosen for the role of VP is because of his "take no prisoners, take no crap, dish it out" attitude. Yes, he is prone to making gaffes. But his gaffes do not undermind Obama in any way. Stating his own opinions is just that, his own opinions. I personally think Biden is doing a wonderful job, gaffes and all.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

As a serious supporter Of Senator Obama I think that Biden should understand the rules that the campaign has outlined before he goes out and opens his mouth and puts his foot in it. He is not running his own campaign and someone needs to tell him this. Shut the blankity..blank up..

Posted by: lg | September 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

KLS wrote:Call Palin, who came from a middle class family, competed against men to get elected as mayor and then governor and is very politcally savy a bimbo.
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How do you know she is very politically savvy? She isn't allowed to go on any real interviews..no Meet the Press, no This week with George Stephanopoulos, no anything of substance that all other VP candidates would do. It looks like the McCain team knows she hasn't got the knowledge or skill to answer intelligently. How on earth are we expected to vote for the McCain ticket, on no information?

Posted by: Sunshine | September 24, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Totally Shocked Person

The spelling of roomer really ain't the point, but glad you get a moment of feeling so superior... I thought it was good to appreciate the wisdom of common folk... Or is it that, if they don't agree with you then they're ignorant... If they do agree with you, then no one should malign their "common sense"...

To the point, I could change the names in your otherwise exact words and the point is made just as well for the other side...

It would read something like:

"more importantly, John McCain and Sarah Palin both have a moral compass that is so screwed up that I would shocked if they knew which direction north was. These people stand for nothing True and worthy, they are true politicians. John McCain has changed his position on just about every topic and he does so not because he is genuine, but because he sold his soul to stay in favor with godless men that control policy. Sarah does not even love this country, and the American people just want something different, even if it is the worst kind of person possible in the oval office. If John McCain becomes president, may God have mercy on this country.

You got anything other than spelling corrections...?


Posted by: c earl jr | September 24, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"ROOSEVELT GOT ON TV IN 1929 AFTER THE MARKET CRASHED..."

THIS IS "CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND HIS CONTROL"?

Freud wrote a book called "The Psychopathology of Everyday Life." Joe is trying to tell us -- and himself -- something. Joe, please, for your family's sake... cut your losses. This is getting very embarrassing. If you get out now, of your own volition, you can cast yourself as a "kingmaker" and not a TGR -- a "total gaffe riot." Each day you delay, you're reducing the chances of salvaging this siutation with a graceful and politically strategic exit. Get in front of this one, and let Hillary try to pull out the "save." Save yourself, Joe. And I mean that LITERALLY.

Posted by: Outside the Box | September 24, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Is Biden on Crack as well with Obama? Who knows if Obama has resorted to smoking crack again. Campaigning can get stressful for the new Marion "Barry"

Posted by: Bev | September 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

Why don't you have the balls to use your real name? Could it be that you do not want any stupid comments you might make associated with you?

Posted by: Donna Hughes | September 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"Go ahead Dems. Call Palin, who came from a middle class family, competed against men to get elected as mayor and then governor and is very politcally savy a bimbo. She has a bigger following than Biden and the jealousy is transparent here."

Actually the people calling her a bimbo are just mad at the fact that she refuses to speak for herself. Now whether that is her fault or the GOP hiding her is up for discussion. However, just because she won an election doesn't make her fit to run the country. She has squandered taxpayers money for things such as her own personal SUV and trips that included her staying at home. She has been using a private email to do business so that way it can't be called into question should some ethics scandal arise, and has been constantly lying about her record (read "Bridge to Nowhere"). She is being investigated on ethics charges right now concerning the "troopergate" deal, and the GOP is trying to keep that under wraps until after the election. She has no real experience outside of governing a state that has a population less than medium sized universities, and definitely has no foreign policy experience. She is truly unfit to take on the presidency should something happen to McCain. And her radical views on religion and other views make her a potentially dangerous person to be put into a room with our allies on the international circuit.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Stabilizing, firm, experienced and unquestionably qualified."

Joe Biden is what I want in a Vice-President.

Joe Biden's minor gaffs are nothing. Look at the man's record over the years and his life. Look at who and what he has stood for and how he sacrificed for his family.

I'm a former Hillary supporter and wish she was on the ticket but I'm entirely satisfied with Biden. The media makes too much of gaffs on both sides.

Obama/Biden represents the real change this country needs.

Posted by: reboot923 | September 24, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a HUGE help to Obama's campaign. Voters connect with him, and I'm suspecting that more and more reporters don't get him or are just lazy -- preferring to make Biden's so-called gaffes conveniently fit their narrative. Voters like me don't see him making gaffes, we see someone who is charming and real.

It's absurd to scrutinize Biden when the McCain campaign is too afraid to let Palin take questions from reporters or even do townhalls in front of friendly crowds on her own. What are they so afraid of?

I also don't understand why I'm not seeing stories everyday that paint McCain as the Gaffe Master.

Remember how McCain admitted that the economy wasn't his strong suit? Whoops! How does McCain do on a simple question like "how many houses do you own?" Whoops! He denies Palin used earmarks as governor? He wants to fire the FEC chairman? He alienates a NATO ally who has fought with us in Iraq and Afghanistan just because he doesn't know who the prime minister of Spain is?

Let's stop the false narrative about Biden. Biden is smart, savvy and sensible with a background in foreign affairs and the judiciary that few can match.

Posted by: news-fatigue | September 24, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I like Biden, and one of the things I like about him is his loose tongue. We're more likely to hear honest opinions from him than from candidates who never deviate from the talking points. Sarah Palin may as well be an actress since all she does is recite lines someone else told her to say. I'd rather have an independent thinker than a robot. Kudos to Biden for speaking out about his own campaign's ad mocking McCain for computer literacy. It was a cheap shot and I appreciate Biden having the integrity to call a spade a spade.

Posted by: Chip_M | September 24, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

ANONYMOUS SAYS "LIFE IS A MIASMA OF PAIN, CONFUSION, AND LONELINESS." THAT'S TRUE, WE ARE ALL IN HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR PAIN; TRY TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE,INSTEAD OF BLAMING OURSELVES.

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | September 24, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Hillary Clinton might have been a political opportunist, but she was a self-made candidate." Really? Being Bill Clinton's wife had nothing to do with it? Please! Palin is much more accomplished and wasn't elected due to her husband being the President or her father being the President (like GW).

Posted by: Karen | September 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I like Joe Biden. I like his "gaffes", I think he is the real "straight-talker" in this campaign. He doesn't say stupid things like referring to the "Iraq-Pakistani border" as did John McCain. When he said that maybe Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice for VP, he just gave voice to what many, many Clinton supporters were thinking. During the primary debates, his comments on Pakistan were spot on, and I have great confidence in his knowledge, experience, and judgement when it comes to foreign affairs. I think we need more public servants of Joe Biden's ilk.

Posted by: Patricia | September 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"Biden says something wrong and he's "genuine","speaks his mind" "refreshing" etc. If Sarah Palin were to say something wrong she's the "dumbest person on earth", a "satan", an "air head" etc."

Look at your syntax. Your post correctly implies that Biden is out on the trail, and the Obama campaign doesn't have him on a short leash.

Palin, on the other hand, is only allowed to recite talking points from a teleprompter or answer softball questions from a journalist most famous for falling asleep on national TV (Charlie Gibson).

Posted by: bondjedi | September 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: poortrekker
Obama and Biden talk to the media daily--hell, hourly--Palin does not.

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LOL!!

Biden doesn't SHUT UP!! That's the problem. He talks himself over a cliff every other day. He probably talks a hundred miles an hour in his sleep.

And Obama "ummmm's" and "ahhhh's" and "duhhhh's" so much, he glazes my eyes over.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin were to say anything at all, it would be a miracle.

Posted by: To Wizard | September 24, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Wizard wrote:

"Biden says something wrong and he's "genuine","speaks his mind" "refreshing" etc. If Sarah Palin were to say something wrong she's the "dumbest person on earth", a "satan", an "air head" etc. The hypocrisy of all you left wing loons knows no bounds.You are all sickening."

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You're absolutely right. Because Senator Biden was chosen for his experience, while Governor Palin was chosen for her gender.

Hillary Clinton might have been a political opportunist, but she was a self-made candidate. Sarah Palin, by contrast, is a political opportunity an is merely a candidate of happenstance.

But you'll take offense at that, I'm sure.


Posted by: poortrekker | September 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Go ahead Dems. Call Palin, who came from a middle class family, competed against men to get elected as mayor and then governor and is very politcally savy a bimbo. She has a bigger following than Biden and the jealousy is transparent here.

Posted by: KLS | September 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The Liberals took control of the MBA Admissions Boards of the top MBA Business Schools in the early 90s - they started admitting THIRD-RATE PEOPLE TO GO TO MBA SCHOOL.

As opposed to the good old days, when B-schools let in George W. Bush (and his ilk).

Posted by: truth to power | September 24, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Bill Richardson in 08 !

At least HE'S not an IDIOT !!!

Posted by: Vince Foster | September 24, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Say what you will about Joe Biden, at least he's not a self centered vain preening not too bright bimbo. McCain's small town beauty queen and her Ken Doll hubby are the sort of ignorant and slightly crooked clowns that would treat this country like their very own plantation and piggy bank.

Posted by: Observer | September 24, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Fools like "Nobama" and "Socialist Puppet" really amaze me...

In this time when the profits have been privatized and the losses have been SOCIALIZED; when every U.S. citizen - every man, woman and child have taken on over $2000 debt just from the Wall Street Bailout, you're still crowing your daddy's same tune about how it's only the Democrats that cost the U.S. taxpayer and that the Republicans would NEVER abandon their free market principles.

McCain and Palin would continue to play into the NeoCon plan to starve the "beast" until it can't do anyone any good... Bridges all crumbling... Roads impassable... Schools (still) not worth a hoot... All children left behind with massive debt thanks to fools like you...

Talk about puppets...

Posted by: c earl jr | September 24, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Nice try Anonymous.

McCain's selection of Gov. Palin says as much about him and his politics as Biden does about Obama's.

Or is this only to be a one-way street?

Obama and Biden talk to the media daily--hell, hourly--Palin does not.

Keep up.

Posted by: poortrekker | September 24, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"I think you need to take a geography class. All sovereign countries are considered "states" and a country where the population is almost entirely homogeneous is called a "nation state". So next time your about to say something moronic, please spare us."

Actually I was being serious when I said that. I guess your sarcastimeter is in need of repairs.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

You have been reading Drudge again! We all know he rules your world.

Posted by: uddy | September 24, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse


McCain has traded on his POW status and patriotism for 26 years.
During his stay in office the country has gone from being a free and open land of opportunity to a near bankrupt society with
the bill of rights in the toilet.
Thanks for putting your country first John.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

“When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'”

--Senator Joe Hairplugs

For starters Republican Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in October 1929.

Second, Roosevelt didn't take office until four years later.

And, there were also no televisions in use at the time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Biden says something wrong and he's "genuine","speaks his mind" "refreshing" etc. If Sarah Palin were to say something wrong she's the "dumbest person on earth", a "satan", an "air head" etc. The hypocrisy of all you left wing loons knows no bounds.You are all sickening.

Posted by: Wizard | September 24, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Xander:

""How can Biden be neutral on Iran after accepting funds from the state."

Wow, I never knew that Iran was a state. You learn something new everyday."

I think you need to take a geography class. All sovereign countries are considered "states" and a country where the population is almost entirely homogeneous is called a "nation state". So next time your about to say something moronic, please spare us.

Posted by: Anon | September 24, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Gaffes are forgivable. But Obama's habitual crack cocaine use is troubling. Hard core drug abuse (in addition to alcohol and marijuana abuse) causes serious long term brain damage. He didn't just experiment like Bill Clinton with marijuana. This is CRACK COCAINE we are talkinga about. Can a former crackhead be trusted with America's nuclear weapons? The answer is NO!

Posted by: War on Drugs | September 24, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Biden was my first pick for President, although I never thought he could secure the nomination. Hillary was my second. When Obama won I knew an ice cube had a better chance in hell than Hillary had in becoming the VP nominee.

I watched in great detail the Foreign Relations Comittee hearings before the Iraqi-war. Biden was prescient. Brilliant! He described exactly the pitfalls that the Bush doctrin would produce. If the media would do more than cover the horse race, they would do well to review those C-SPAN tapes.

The folks bashing Chris should chill. Ignore the right-wing wackos' posts. And if you are in a swing state, spend more time talking to friends, family, and neighbors, than posting here.

Posted by: Barry | September 24, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Hindrance.

Posted by: dcp | September 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: poortrekker

Why won't the McCain campaign allow Governor Palin to be interviewed and grilled by the media like everyone else? ______________________________________________________________________________________

A better question would be, why did Obaby chicken out of the 10 Town Hall Meeting's debates? It appears you are more concerned about a VP candidate. Le me clue you in. The majority of Americans are more concerned about the presidential candidate. As a desperate first time presidential voter you can't comprehend that.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Given the alternative (i.e. Palin), Biden can only be a help. No one doubts his ability to run the country if he had to. Plus, Obama is the type of candidate that will win if voters are comfortable with him. Biden can't do that, Hillary couldn't have done that, nor anyone else. Conversely, no one will be able to change the minds of those people with (very reasonable) doubts about Palin's ability to run the country except for Palin herself. Obama has had more time, and has done a very good job of this (although he's got a little ways to go). Palin has very little time to change people's minds, and after her initial splash, she seems to be sinking fast. And she's proving her lack of capability by the day, in both substance and character.

Posted by: GTF | September 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Uh, Sarah Palin isn't saying ANYTHING.

Gee, so much for committing to the issues and stating one's opinions huh?

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

How did you leave out:

“When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'”

Posted by: Buckdharma | September 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Chris, tell your overly sensitive coworker that that pecs comment was HILARIOUS. When a 65 year old man is telling you you ought to work on your pecs, maybe it's time to start hitting the gym. That wasn't a gaffe, it was brutal honesty.

Anyway, it's pretty easy to explain why he's polling well. Everyone has that one family relation who you know is smart and means well, but sometimes the words come out wrong or clumsy. Biden just comes off like that guy. Plus, unlike Palin, he's actually out there talking to people and the press--don't think folks don't notice the difference there.

Posted by: Whatever | September 24, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

"Why won't the McCain campaign allow Governor Palin to be interviewed and grilled by the media like everyone else? The people know nothing about her."

I love the piece that...I can't remember her name now, but a reporter on CNN said to the McCain Camp "What you are doing is sexist. Stop hiding this woman with your schovanist (sp) ways and let her speak for herself!" It was a good 3 minute rant, but that was the jist of it.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

This is Biden. Everyone already knows him, and knows his personality. You can't keep a lid on him, but that's what Obama respected about him in the first place. He says what he feels. He doesn't take crap. Sometimes it doesn't come out right. But it's healthy to have someone balance you out. Biden is great. Just try to keep a lit on that boiling pot!

Posted by: Gia | September 24, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

When Joe Biden was a boy and had a bad stutter his mom told him that he just had so much to say that it got jammed up because he couldn't get it out fast enough, and I think that is still a problem for him. Only now,instead of a stutter he has so much knowledge, and so many word associations with that knowledge that sometimes the facts and the word associations come out the wrong way. Add campaign fatigue and it gets worse..

I get a little aggrevated with it, but it certainly doesen't diminish my support for Joe Biden. Nobody is perfect, and Joe Biden has some warts as well as everyone else. The fact that he hangs them out there for everyone to see is one of the things that makes him appealing, as opposed to some slick politician like Mitt Romney who looks and sounds like he was turned out in a politician factory somewhere.

Posted by: Donna Hughes | September 24, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah Palin were saying anything as remotely stupid as Joe Hairplugs, half of the Washington Post newsroom would be on a plane to Anchorage by now to interview every snotty librarian and steroid-enraged patrolman they could find.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

That people still are swallowing the total baloney that Obama is somehow a muslim terrorist is utterly unbelieveable.

Of course, as recent studies have pointed out, Republicans tend to believe untruths even more AFTER they have been disproved.

Posted by: BlahBlah | September 24, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

What a pathetic politician Obaby is. His campaign's number one rule is, "Don't commit to anything. Number two is, "Be as vague as possible" Number three is, "wait until McCain commits and then we will copy him or castigate him." Biden broke these rule by giving his honest opinion. That is the last thing the Obama campaign wants.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Why won't the McCain campaign allow Governor Palin to be interviewed and grilled by the media like everyone else? The people know nothing about her.

Obviously they don't want her to say anything until she's facing Senator Biden in a public arena--ostensibly to avoid any contradictions.

How is this not an admission of weakness by the McCain campaign and the RNC?

A house of cards.

Posted by: poortrekker | September 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Xander: 9/11 was not a "tragedy" like Hurricane Katrina. The hurricane is a natural disaster. 9/11 was not a natural disaster but caused by Muslim radicals. Treating 9/11 as a tragedy is infuriating to most Americans.

Posted by: Vets | September 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I like Bidens outspoken nature. Obama is a calculating cad, with no original ideas. Obama basically copied Clintons campaign. Obama is a copier who will say or do anything for black people. We need more truth in politics and an outspoken person like Biden brings that.

But I think Democrats are going to lose another Presidential race this year. Obama is not well liked among many long Democrats. Biden helps them to warm up to Obama, but even Biden can't heal the anger that is felt towards Obama by Clinton Democrats. Obama and his cult followers should have been more respectful towards Clinton Democrats and towards the Clintons themselves. Remember they accused the Clintons of being racists and Hillary Clinton of attempting to assassinate Obama! Even more problematic is Obama's race and his radical church which is going to hinder him among a percentage of white independent and Democratic voters. Are you ready for another round of train wreck GOP that is McCain/Palin 2008? You should be.

Posted by: Pat | September 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

palin is the satan.

Posted by: jonny rocket | September 24, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is no parrot.
He has a mind and an opinion.

I haven't seen anything coming from his counterpart that suggests otherwise.

What I did see yesterday was the published list of Joe Biden's meetings with world leaders/statesmen. What I saw from Palin was a few photos of her seated next to a few for the FIRST time.

Posted by: djcb | September 24, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Dems picked an anti-american crack user for Preisent and a clown who thinks he knows everything for VP. Great job Dems!

Posted by: Bubba | September 24, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"i don't understand. after everything out nation has faced since Sept 11, a man who who may have ties to a terrorist and attended an anti-white America church is about to become our president"

Quit buying into the GOP fear campaigning. Yes, 9/11 was a tragedy. Yes, it happened. But move on already. It's been 7 years. It only took the general populace 1 year to move on from Hurrican Katrina, and the death tolls between the two are almost identical. All the GOP does when they wave the 9/11 flag all over is show the fact that they do not care enough about America to tell them the truth. They'd rather obscure the views of people by promoting fear. Tell me then, why is it the majority of our forces are in Iraq (a pointless war), while in Afghanistan (remember the Taliban? Yeah, not Iraq...Afghanistan) we're losing on that front because our forces are spread so thin. Tell me why, if the Republicans are so hell bent on finding these terrorists, that we're not actually going after them with full force? They're laughing at us in their caves right now.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

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The Major Cause Of The Wall Street Crisis Is Affirmative Action

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Clearly a MAJOR CAUSE of the Wall Street crisis is that they have NOT been selecting the best people to run the Wall Street firms.


The liberals have been pressing through these affirmative action programs at the Wall Street Firms and MBA Schools.


Wall Street has a third-rate team on the field - they have a bunch of sheep who owe their loyalty not to their own merit and brains but to the affirmative action programs which gave them their outsized salaries ABOVE MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES WHO COULD ACTUALLY DO THE JOB.

Instead Wall Street has HIRED A THIRD-RATE STAFF which goes along with the program.

The Smart A-List people have been pushed aside by the liberals who DO NOT CARE IF THE WORK IS GETTING DONE PROPERLY, rather they believe they have won when then have diversity and who cares if the balance sheet is a mess. LET'S BE CLEAR HERE THE NEW YORK LIBERALS ARE A MAJOR CAUSE OF THE WALL STREET CRISIS AND MESSING UP OUR REAL ESTATE MARKET AND THE FINANCIAL MARKETS.


Angry Liberals.


The Liberals took control of the MBA Admissions Boards of the top MBA Business Schools in the early 90s - they started admitting THIRD-RATE PEOPLE TO GO TO MBA SCHOOL.

Then the Wall Street firms followed suit - throwing MERIT-BASED CRITERIA aside - the deciding factor became the color of one's skin - IF YOU WERE A WHITE MALE FROM THE SUBURBS YOU WERE IN A CATEGORY WHICH HAD DRAMATICALLY MORE DIFFICULT STANDARDS FOR PROMOTIONS AND HIRING.


THIS WAS ALWAYS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN.


WALL STREET HAS A THIRD-RATE TEAM ON THE FIELD WHICH HAS GONE ALONG WITH THE CROOKS FOR YEARS.


THE FIRST-RATE TEAM WAS THERE ATTEMPTING TO GET IN THE DOOR HOWEVER THE NEW YORK LIBERALS TURNED THEM AWAY.


THE FIRST-RATE TEAM WOULD HAVE EASILY AVERTED THIS CRISIS.


SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? PUT ANOTHER AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GUY IN CHARGE OF THE ECONOMY?


MCCAIN HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND MILITARY BACKGROUND TO FIGHT THE WALL STREET LOBBYISTS, SET THE WALL STREET BROKERS STRAIGHT, STOP THE OUTSIZED COMPENSATION PACKAGES AND PLACE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO BEING STRONG AGAIN.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 24, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Yep, Joe Biden steps into it frequently. So what? The man has positions that differ from Obama's views. Is that so out of the ordinary? I recall that Bush the Elder essentially put his views in a blind trust in order to stomach being Reagan's Veep pick in 1980.

The real issue on the VP level is that no one knows what Sarah Palin actually believes on any issues, especially those related to foreign policy. But after about 35 days or so of isolation from the media, I'm sure she will be able to parrot McCain's neo-con agenda perfectly, as one would expect any successful television personality to be able to do.

Posted by: BlahBlah | September 24, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Yes, it would be better if Biden thought before making some of these minor gaffes. But they are very minor - who really cares? He was right about the computer literacy ad, which was just plain dumb and I thought it was kinda charming that he just came out and said so. He obviously should not have pontificated on AIG before Obama could speak, but it gave Obama the opportunity to say on TV that he was "the decider," so no harm done. He's not a plastic fully scripted politicial (like say Ms. Palin so far), and I'm unorthodox enough to think there is something good about that. Especially, since Obama seems to ponderously weigh every utterance for any possible negative spin (which is also sometimes a virtue). Besides, the media love talking about Biden's slips of the tongue, even though they have almost never amounted to anything newsworthy. Let him talk and lets enjoy the little spurprises!

Posted by: D. Watson | September 24, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Obama traveled to Pakistan as a young Muslim man? That is very bizarre and should evoke more questions regarding what he was doing there.

Posted by: Kevin | September 24, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The problem with Biden is he is too honest and has too much integrity for the Obama campaign. Perfect example was his view on the lame ad about McCain's computer illiteracy. As Biden knows NO president should have the time to be on a computer. That is why the POTUS has a staff. Is Obaby going to be surfing the net for our country's problem and then plagiarize what he finds? Only a fool would think that computer literacy is a requirement for the POTUS, but consider the source.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Is Biden on the ticket to help Obama get elected, or to help Obama after he gets elected? I would pose the same question about Palin and McCain.

Posted by: Bob | September 24, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

McCain should sell used cars or snake oil. The guy is slimy and has no idea what he is talking about. Makes up stuff that sounds good on the spot.

This shoe definitely fits McCain better.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"telling him he needed to work on his "pecs."

This is frickin' newsworthy? Go back to college to learn journalism. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

Posted by: chickc | September 24, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

something amazing that I see in this election is that the old guy (biden) makes gaffes and is loveable and real while the other old guy (mccain) is angry and senile. the other side of the coin the "new" guy (obama) hasn't had much foreign experience and fails to hand out an opinion while the "new" woman hasn't had much foreign experience and outside of prepared speeches hasn't been given the opportunity to give her opinion (either by choice or gop design).

the problem here is that obama is going to be the lead guy... do you think biden is going to sit in the background and be a good vp? is biden going to be the "monkey's organ grinder" and be a shadow president? and on what side of the coin is inexperience? it's like boarding a plane to hong-kong and being told that "your pilot today has been PRESENT on the runway 143 days in a row and is now taking a 757 across the atlantic while he is being supervised by a veteran co-pilot with 32 or so years experience." i'd much rather have the experienced pilot and the co-pilot that has flown a cessna around a few times.

but hey what do i know? i'm just sittin' here frustrated, holding onto guns and religion because i'm a xenophobe of some sorts.

by the way obama, words do mean something so i'd rather hear "if i am elected president i promise to do..." versus "i believe change means..." because you haven't said anything yet.

Posted by: Don | September 24, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

i don't understand. after everything out nation has faced since Sept 11, a man who who may have ties to a terrorist and attended an anti-white America church is about to become our president. what?!?!----------------------Amen to this poster!!!
I agree 100%. Ayers is a terrorist and as far as I am concerned the Rev is too. I distinctly remember 2004 election and the polls saying Kerry was ahead GWB was behind and then it was a dead heat blah de blah from media. I see it again and I say the same as before Democrats will not win the election. At least Kerry had experience and wasn't tied to these shady people that Obama is. One lesson for new voters is when the media and celebs come out in full force for a candidate its time to run to the other candidate.

Posted by: DEE | September 24, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

So Obama worked at Baskin Robbins to support his CRACK habits? How did he get money in college to travel to Pakistan to get more crack? Pakistan is not a "study abroad" place for most college students.

Posted by: Sam | September 24, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Eh, nobody's perfect. Biden vs. that moron Sarah Palin and Biden wins 1,000 out of 1,000 times.

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Another Cillizza column about nothing. Of course, Cillizza never makes mistakes.

Posted by: Peter | September 24, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Main Street Joe" is just like lots of folks I know. Not perfect by a long shot, but unlike Palin he doesn't pretend to be either. (Beware the Palin wolf in Caribou clothing).
Joe allows us to see the human side of politics but make no mistake - the man is very smart and absolutely qualified to be both VP & POTUS.

Posted by: Peakmom | September 24, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"How can Biden be neutral on Iran after accepting funds from the state."

Wow, I never knew that Iran was a state. You learn something new everyday.

Posted by: Xander | September 24, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Biden's mistakes make him seem more genuine, like one of the blue collar voters he represents.
What else could he do to get attention away from the Palin sideshow?
Rightly or wrongly, Biden will be Biden.
No phony here.

Posted by: seems to me | September 24, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Poor and unemployed, he worked at a baskins robbins when he was a kid.

http://letustalk.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/obama-summer-jobs-used-to-work-at-baskin-robbins/

Posted by: i got this one | September 24, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Biden likes to think he is a foreign policy buff but he has been wrong on most foreign policy issues. In 2002, he was condemned by Dems for taking money from Iran. How can Biden be neutral on Iran after accepting funds from the state. His policies are more scary than the gaffes.

Posted by: State Dept | September 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

When pigs fly, eh? You do know that when Monty says this, a pig actually does fly by his window? (the delicious roasted pig that was the star of Homer's BBBQ's.)

So then... You must be implying the thing about Biden-->Hillary is true. Excellent.

Posted by: Senor Experto | September 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

So Biden made a few unscripted gaffes about non-issues in some of the many unscripted, hard-hitting interviews he has openly given? Is this what unemployed people or military families care about? Or will we all realize that while McCain thinks everything's a-ok and Palin does photo-ops, Obama and Biden actually spend time with voters and talk about issues?

The first half of this column, the bullet points, and especially the Hillary speculation, reads like something straight out of the Bush-Rove-McCain playbook: Feign anger, scream, distort, grab attention away from anything important and onto any smear that works.

Obama should not have chosen Clinton. The Clintons would have overshadowed him, and really, are Biden's statements really going to get more attention than what Bill Clinton would say on the campaign trail?

What's real: Biden is a genuine, open guy who plays things his own way, and most importantly, knows his stuff. Palin may be the stock-of-the-moment financial bubble, but Biden is the sensible, veteran banker with sound management skills who knowingly shakes his head when the bubble finally ends - and then works to fix the problem and prevent it from occurring again.

Have a look at some of the many op-eds Joe has written. He was meeting with heads of state and thinking about foreign policy long before he was a candidate:

http://biden.senate.gov/press/opeds/

Posted by: Thinking Voter | September 24, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Joe sometimes puts his foot in his mouth, so what? He's always got Obama to take it out for him. These guys' fundamentals are strong and that's what counts.

McCain's sold his soul to the christo-fascist majority of the GOP, so that he can have the biggest possible feather in his political cap.

And his VP choice... she reminds me of a cuckoo clock where every hour a little trap door opens, the cuckoo comes out and announces in a high-pitched voice "Thanks, but no thanks"


Posted by: Sam | September 24, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Biden isn't doing much of anything for Obama. He has a fiery speech here and there, but he's hardly the boon to the ticket in the mold of Palin.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | September 24, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Free SARAH PALIN!! I think you should be doing the story on Palin - she's the hindrance and no help since she can't speak!!

At least Biden is speaking his mind. That's something Obama liked about Biden when he was selected. Someone who would challenge him, he said!!!

Obama/Biden08
Clinton/Warner16

Posted by: Smooth | September 24, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Biden should sell used cars or snake oil. The guy is slimy and has no idea what he is talking about. Makes up stuff that sounds good on the spot.

Posted by: Annoyed | September 24, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Yo, horse-race DJ. Did you ever consider that Biden offers Obama something more than PR, like substance? Please, try to scratch the surface of meaningful issues beyond Palin's gam's and Biden's gaffes. Biden is a god-damn genius on foreign affairs. Palen is token political choice that satisfies red-neck men more than intellegent women.

C'mon Fix, take a chance and write about something that mean's something.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Listening to Biden, you would think that he was the crack user rather than Obama. His buffoonery is entertaining to watch.

Posted by: Clowns | September 24, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"Obama and Biden seem as if they are pandering to everyone and saying whatever it takes to win. No sincerity and constantly changing positions."

Hey Jim, I think you meant McCain and Palin, no? McCain just last week said the fundamentals of the economy were sound and now he's saying they're not, he has been an advocate of deregulation for his entire career and now he's not, he said he wouldn't play dirty but started slinging mud first with the "Obama Celebrity" commercial, and I can go on and on. On the whole, Obama and Biden have played with much more integrity than the McCain team. To think otherwise would be ignoring the facts.

Posted by: Sandy | September 24, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Biden is clearly what the obama camp needs right now. confident, positive, jocular, and able to connect with voters. he is doing a great job. and his so-called "gaffes" just make him seem more real to the people the obama camp needs to woo. he is no harvard elitist, that's for sure.

Posted by: phix-in-philly | September 24, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Zip it Chris! The average American isn't obsessing over every little gaffe Biden makes. If you watch some of his stumps in middle class America, I think it's clear he's speaking to them in a way no Democrat has done in a while.

Latest ABC poll came out today and has Obama up 9.

Posted by: B | September 24, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

At least he's talking and at least we know what we're getting.

Unlike his counterpart, who's too busy in cram sessions to bother to let the public know who she is. That's a far bigger insult to voters than anything Biden could say, no matter how "off message."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Authenticity, intelligence and yes, human foibles. This is what happens when you ACTUALLY SPEAK IN PUBLIC WITHOUT A NET (hellooooo--No Talk Express?). Unlike his Republican counterpart, Biden is a leader who has his own opinions and yes, occasionally goes off message. But he connects with voters Obama does not--Rust Belt working people and folks who want to see an experience balance on the ticket. Besides that he will mop the floor with Palin in the debates and show the world what Miss Lipstick really is: a cipher. Not one to pile on the media, but I have to say that reporters must be getting bored reporting the real news about the financial crisis and our cruddy economy if they're beating up on Joe because of a few missteps. I suspect this is all backlash from Hillary's diehards and the political Monday morning quarterbacks. Get over it, folks--Joe Biden will be the next vice president of the United States--and I look forward to being proud of my vice president for the first time in 8 years. More on Biden at http://www.SoonerThought.blogspot.com

Posted by: Soonerthought.blogspot.com | September 24, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I like the fact that Biden speaks on his own. He is clearly not scripted and has viewpoints that may differ from Obama's. It is nice that there is enough respect on both sides to allow there to be some differences of opinion. At least the campaign is honest about it, as opposed to McCain's campaign, where Palin is clearly being told what to do and say by McCain's people, and major differences between their views on issues such as the environment are ignored.

Posted by: EMoss | September 24, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If I see one more "analysis" like this, I'm going to scream. It infuriates me the way the media covers its own lopsided coverage and passes that off as coverage of the election - and then acts SHOCKED, completely SHOCKED, that one VP candidate is getting attention and the other isn't.

If there is a lack of press coverage for Joe Biden, the correct reaction isn't to send reporters back to their desks to write hand-wringing articles about it, the correct answer is to step up, do your job and allocate the appropriate amount of reporters to cover where he stands on THE ISSUES.

Posted by: Mary | September 24, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

It would not surprise me if Joe Biden is dropped from the campaign due to some mysterious "illness" that is suddenly revealed or "discovered" that would prevent him from serving, and he is replaced by Hillary.

Posted by: Sam | September 24, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is neither a help nor a hindrance...which is exactly what a VP pick should be.

Sarah Palin is the opposite. She started off as a help, with the enormous curiosity she engendered and rallying the Repub base. But after 3 weeks, her appeal to the very swing and independent voters who will decide is race is waning. And the abundant attention that at first elevated her has turned negative as she continues to avoid the press and parodies of her ignorance abounds.

We still have 41 days left in this campaign, a lifetime in election terms. If she continues her current downward trajectory (especially with scandal about to break) she will be a significant albatross around McCain's neck. Though the McCain campaign seems to be sabotaging itself pretty well on its own.

Posted by: Pupster | September 24, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

None of these supposed-gaffes are important or substantial. At least Biden is out there talking. He's making inroads in local media. He's doing plenty of good, and is definitely a help to the Obama campaign.

Posted by: Dave | September 24, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

At least Biden is accessible and answers reporters questions. Like to see you get that type of reaction out of the Republican VP. Hopefully America won't be so stupid to offer deference (you gotta be kidding GOP) to that Hickbilly Sarah Palin.

Posted by: MarkD | September 24, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the man, and he clearly doesnt agree with Obama on evry single issue, how refreshing.

"Barack Obama ain't taking my shotgun, i've got two, if he messes with my beretta, he's got a problem." What a funny mother lover.

Did you see his list of foreign leaders that he has met? Ridiculously impressive.

Joe Biden was a GREAT choice, take a look at the polls today. You think people are starting to notice what a sham Palin is after yesterdays photo-op, no reporters allowed, joke of a meeting with leaders? This guy is well know around the world.

Posted by: alex | September 24, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I continue to be amazed at the shallowness, angry tone, and deliberate lying in the anti-Obama comments on this and other articles. This is how we got the incompetent crowd we have now. The issues are important, not all this hyperbole, bias, and hatred. Biden isn't perfect - no one is - but how anyone can possibly defend Palin as a substantive character is beyond the pale. I think Tina Fey nailed it, doing her beauty queen moves behind Amy Pohler on SNL as she played Hillary trying to discuss something important. Let us all please discuss important issues that matter and leave aside these minor mistakes and gaffes.

Posted by: Andy2 | September 24, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Keep talkin' Joe. What a hoot! I love it...and so does John and Sarah!
Ready now Joe....a one and a two.."Ya put ya right foot in, ya right foot out, ya left foot in, and roll it 'round in ya mouth"....

Posted by: Wizard | September 24, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Everything you list, including mere rudeness to a reporter which isn't really a gaffe, especially since you take it from Bush and McCain, is Biden being Biden. What the pundit class doesn't see and the tradmed doesn't report is Biden going out to small towns in swing states and campaigning. And since Sarah Palin doesn't do events by herself -- they just pull her in when McCain can't draw a crowd -- Biden is still a huge plus for this ticket.

Posted by: Greg in LA | September 24, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

You get out among the people and chat, you talk to the press, you make gaffes. Biden.

You speak to the people only from a script, you hid from the press, you don't make any gaffes. Palin.

I'll take the person who has the courage to speak from his experience rather than a script anytime.

Posted by: one tall girl | September 24, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"In response to a Fix inquiry about Biden's local coverage, David Wade, a spokesman for the vice president sent over scads of clips..." Not yet Fix! For now he is simply the vice presidential nominee.

Posted by: Phil Kosla | September 24, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The media sees a gaffe-prone guy who can't stay on the campaign's script. Luckily, the voters see the real Joe Biden -- his own man who is genuine straight talker. Much like John McCain once was.

I'll take the real Joe Biden any day, but thank you for playing.

Posted by: Mark | September 24, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

It't true that life is tough. But you can embrace life or hide from it. Joe Biden is out there bouncing into real people. I'm sure he could get some private photo ops with some famous people where he could exclude everyone and keep his mouth shut, or he could stand up on a big speech and read something somebody else prepared, and then there would be less for people to pick apart. But that's the other team's way. Biden, what you see is what you get. The other side has a very slick package -- but is it one of those packages where after you open it, the note says "by opening this package you have agreed to ..." and then a bunch of stuff you never imagined? Yeah ... well, here's a tip, if a window pops up in your email, don't click on it.

Biden comes in a brown paper bag with the grease stains that indicate freshness. Don't like it? Buy the plastic lady then. At least we know she's clean on the outside.

Posted by: pressF1 | September 24, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Biden might not be as electrifying as Palin is, but like her, he comes across as a real person. The public likes that, and therefore is forgiving.

I still firmly believe that Hillary would have been a much bigger gamble. She would overshadow Obama in some ways and keep old resentments alive. Paired up against Palin (if McCain still made that pick), Clinton would suddenly become the Eastern, urban elite instead of the working class darling that she was in the primaries.

Posted by: scrapster | September 24, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

'Iran’s leadership has expressed “great pleasure” at the prospect of a Barack Hussein Obama victory in November -- this is according to Menashe Amir, the Iranian-born head of Radio Israel’s Persian language service. Amir said if Obama wins the White House, Islam will conquer the heart of the American nation. The Iranian leadership likes Obama “mainly because he is a Muslim,” according to Amir.

Obama’s first name, Barack, comes from “al-baraq,” which is the name of the horse that Muslims believe Muhammad rode on his way to paradise. His middle name, Hussein, is also a Muslim name, and he was “born in a Muslim family,” said Amir.'

NBC site:
http://www.woai.com/content/blogs/nobull/story.aspx?content_id=e42bd69a-ec57-4dff-a912-d880e242f81e

Posted by: More Change | September 24, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse


Biden is his owm man. Yes, he makes gaffes. So what? He is NOT A COWARD, he does not hide from the media, and he does not let others tell him what to think. I will take the real deal of Biden any day over the plastic cowardly Barbie Palin.

We have seen something from Biden that neither mccain or barbie can remotely claim---Biden is warm and caring and kind, in addition to being a strong statesman. Perfect? heck no. Genuine? Absolutely. The GOP envies the fact that Dems have a decent and smart person as their vp pick.

Posted by: NC voter! | September 24, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse


Dear Chris:

I believe in a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. So, UNTIL Gov. Palin give MULTIPLE Press Conferences, Sen. Biden should be OFF LIMITS, too. He's given almost 100 Press Conference availabilities since being nominated.

IF the McCain Campaign continues the BUBBLE around Gov. Palin (robbing both the Press and the American Public) from properly VETTING the candidate; then WE ALL SHOULD BOYCOTT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN.

What is GOOD for 1 party, should be GOOD for the other.

Anything less is BALONEY!

Posted by: Dari | September 24, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I guess Obama could do what McCain does - keep Biden in a bubble. That's worked out pretty well, huh?

Posted by: Paula Ann | September 24, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Democrats and Obamacans courting all Republican and Independent voters.

Leesha Harvey- Coal Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VItmtAuWz0w

John Mellencamp - Small Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eDkAG3R0h8

Bruce Springsteen - Radio Nowhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmLt6kcZ72Q

Change we need

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Yeil Raven's daughter | September 24, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The thing is, when Joe Biden gaffes, people are used to it and expect it. His reputation for such far preceded the arrival of Barack Obama on the scene. So IMO, that doesn't hurt Obama in any real sense-we've heard it before, and most people made the calculation a long time ago if they like Joe Biden or not. So, if you like him, it's Joe being Joe, and if you don't, it's more evidence that Obama made a mistake.

I doubt it changes anyone's presidential vote.

Posted by: Lisa K. | September 24, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Obama should be examined for brain damage from his 8 years of cocaine use. He didn't just experiment but was a habitual druggie during high school and college. Biden was such a horrible pick you have to wonder about whether Obama has the mental capacity and appropriate discretion to be president.

Posted by: Bubba | September 24, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

When making the statement about his choice for VP, Obama clearly said he wanted someone who challenged his opinions, and was not just someone who agreed with what he said.

Clearly, Biden and he had different thoughts on AIG - and so what if they did. It's time that the broader issues are debated rather than just accepting one person's view of the world. So long as they present a united front at the end of it all, after having discussed both sides.

I'm OK with the two candidates having differing opinions.

Posted by: GMA | September 24, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

If pathetic excuses for journalists actually did their jobs Obama would win in a landslide. As usual for republicans John McCain picked party over country with airhead Palin and he should be crucified by the media over it. You would think after Bush has flushed this country down the toilet for eight years somebody in the press would wake up. I'm sure if Obama can overcome the corporate controlled MSM and get elected,suddenly the press will grow a pair.

Posted by: timebanded | September 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I actually get angry when i hear the stuff out of the McCain camp.. I wanted to like him, Palin and McCain have turned me into a democrat.. i'd rather play for the other team, because i am embarrassed by my team and the people's opinions i been reading on this forum... Pointing Liberal at someone over and over doesn't change the facts.. Our country has been run into the ground by the policies of the current administration..

Posted by: Mike | September 24, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden seem as if they are pandering to everyone and saying whatever it takes to win. No sincerity and constantly changing positions.

Posted by: Jim | September 24, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Have you forgotten that last week he asked a crippled guy publicly to get up from his wheelchair and then realized that he was on a wheelchair and embarrassed the campaign. How about saying that he wants to give every American a new toaster with his stimulus plan. This guy is a buffoon and totally corrupt. He has taken funds from Iran and his buddy Hussein Obama used to smoke crack during high school and college and traveled to Pakistan.

Posted by: Kim | September 24, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Life is a miasma of pain, confusion, and loneliness.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Picking Biden was a brilliant move... Obama looks like a genius and an orator by comparison!

Posted by: edeldoug | September 24, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

At least you have some gaffe from Biden compare to Palin you have noting but her hate speech! love politics

Posted by: Met | September 24, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama had the common sense to not choose a woman for his veep pick, and this is the thanks he gets. Is the Washington Post now officially a part of the McCain campaign?

Posted by: Jawa | September 24, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

biden is a good choice; in fact, biden is much better choice than obama himself! solid credentials, willingness to take a stand. it's sooooo unlike the slimmy, slippery obama when he has no position, no policy, and oh, flip-flop even if he takes a stand at any point in time.

it should have been clinton who should be the nominee. she's much more credible, tougher, and far more experienced than obama. i'm gleeful every time i see the foot-in-mouth gaffes in the obama campaign. how many of my fellow twenty-somethings are going to see through obama the empty suit? sad...

Posted by: glenn | September 24, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Ad gaffe - McCains fault.

Clean Coal gaffe - McCain's fault.

Depression/Roosevelt gaffe - McCain's fault.

Is Joe just a big meat puppet for the McCain Campaign?

Posted by: Pat C | September 24, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Sell the sizzle not the steak. That is perfect for a liberal. Sizzle is nothing. How does one servive on sizzle? There is no substance in sizzle. You cattle are a joke.

Posted by: noBama | September 24, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I thought Obama lama ding dong was supposed to be soooo smart. How can anyone with an ounce of brains pick Biden (a never was bas been) over Hillary.

Since he can't, I will spell it for Obama lama ding dong------ M-O-R-O-N!!!!!!!

McCain - 08

Posted by: Obama - the Socialist puppet | September 24, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

After 8 years of Dick "Darth Vader" Cheney's secretive and manipulative Vice Presidency, Joe Biden's candor and transparency is refreshing and even welcome.
Secretive Sarah with her "no press allowed" meetings, strange avoidance of any interviews and Alaskan cover-ups is showing her fear of letting us, the public, find out how ill-prepared and inexperienced she is.
This Independent will take Biden, with his wealth of foreign policy experience, over Palin (who can see Russia from Alaska!) any day.

Posted by: Lauri1 | September 24, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Not being a Repub or Dem, I think both sides seem to be having major issues with their mouths, it's just the Dems seem to be having more of them.

Talking about experience is not the right way to go when mentioning Palin, Obama will be on the hot plate from day one, @least with Palin she has a chance to learn the ropes.

“Watching the Dems blow a sure win is like driving by a car accident, you know you shouldn’t look but you just can’t seem to help it.”

Posted by: PhorkinSpoon | September 24, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

This woman said she wanted obama so her child would not have to worry about anything. Send her to China where no one worries about anything. I have never seen cattle worry. Except for the liberal elite (hollywood) and the democratic leadership, all others in the 40% democratic population are cattle. You just don't know you are. Happy grazing on the other 60% of the population.

Posted by: nobama | September 24, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

It is OK for Joe and Barack to disagree with each other! These issues are too important for intelligent folks to have just one opinion about them! Let them both be themselves, now and later in the White House!

Posted by: ARM | September 24, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

A few cool quotes from the news:

'Obama has said he would meet with Ahmedinejad [Iran] without condition -- essentially rewarding him for his nuclear arsenal and genocidal threats.'

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obama_hillary_and_palins_disin.html

'The Iranian president is feared ... because of his repeated calls to wipe [Israel] off the map, and his aggressive pursuit of nuclear technology has only fueled Israel's fears.
He said that six years after Saddam Hussein's regime was ousted in Iraq, "the occupiers are still there."'

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRcJGft_Pr8uMaY1Bz9ieBSwBNTgD93CMVM80

A vote for Obama is a vote for change, the kind of change like when 9/11 changed our lives.

Posted by: Found the Change | September 24, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

At least we know Biden has ideas. In contrast, where is Palin? Oh thats right, she cannot speak unless McCain and Schmidt give her permission or write her lines for her. Great role model for women that is.

Posted by: Kman | September 24, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Drudge and Breitbart have also been pounding away at all Biden's gaffes too. If the media just turns this race between Obama vs McCain into Biden's gaffes then they may swing the election McCains way by the narrowest of margins. Somewhere Schmit's war room is gloating today. We hope the media will help keep the focus on the presidential race on Obama vs McCain and the contrast between both parties. There isn't much time left in this race.

Thoughts on Palin – we don't know her and really won't because they are keeping her away from the press. Does the UN meeting really count as foreign experience when the press isn't there to cover what is being said? What do the majority of world leaders think of her foreign experience? Perhaps this would help the voters.

Posted by: Mark | September 24, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"Joe Biden is getting the job done every day, and I guarantee Joe Biden will be Mr. October," added Wade. "He's a closer. He's the vice presidential nominee you want slugging it out in the late innings when proven campaign skills, intestinal fortitude, expertise, and experience matter most. In a big issue election where the small bore ghosts of elections past seem trivial, this is about substance not splash, steak not sizzle."

When will Democrats finally understand that you sell the SIZZLE, not the STEAK... Marketing 101.

Posted by: Frustrated FL Democrat | September 24, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

If Obama's campaign is a racing scull, then Biden isn't an anchor; he's a rower who isn't quite in sync. You don't throw him overboard; you make a small adjustment.

But campaigns aren't scull races. Campaigns are quirky multifaceted efforts where Biden's naturalness and (occasionally flat-footed) honesty are appreciated. In the end he will be more a positive than a negative.

Posted by: egc52556 | September 24, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Live by the hairplug, die by the hairplug!

Posted by: Frankie Kastanivich | September 24, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

All of the criticism of Joe Biden for his "gaffes" just proves how superficial and clueless many Americans are. THey are star-struck by an empty suit (Palin)and fooled by McCain('t), or more accurately, by a suit filled with lies, extreme views, and self-adoration, while unable to see that Biden is for real. He is smart, steady, experienced, and compassionate. THe real deal. Many people see this and know that he would be a much better leader, and adviser to the president, than Palin! She sure does "pale in" comparison.

Posted by: Marcy | September 24, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza writes nonsensical columns in order to stir up the emotions of citizens who have little or no ability to reason. Mr. Cillizza has successed with this column. What is truly frightening is that most of the idiots who have responded to this column about Joe Biden have the right and responsibility to vote. Most of them should be placed in an institution for the mentally feeble rather than be allowed to determine the course of this mation's future.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse


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The Major Cause Of The Wall Street Crisis Is Affirmative Action

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Clearly a MAJOR CAUSE of the Wall Street crisis is that they have NOT been selecting the best people to run the Wall Street firms.


The liberals have been pressing through these affirmative action programs at the Wall Street Firms and MBA Schools.


Wall Street has a third-rate team on the field - they have a bunch of sheep who owe their loyalty not to their own merit and brains but to the affirmative action programs which gave them their outsized salaries ABOVE MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES WHO COULD ACTUALLY DO THE JOB.

Instead Wall Street has HIRED A THIRD-RATE STAFF which goes along with the program.

The Smart A-List people have been pushed aside by the liberals who DO NOT CARE IF THE WORK IS GETTING DONE PROPERLY, rather they believe they have won when then have diversity and who cares if the balance sheet is a mess. LET'S BE CLEAR HERE THE NEW YORK LIBERALS ARE A MAJOR CAUSE OF THE WALL STREET CRISIS AND MESSING UP OUR REAL ESTATE MARKET AND THE FINANCIAL MARKETS.


Angry Liberals.


The Liberals took control of the MBA Admissions Boards of the top MBA Business Schools in the early 90s - they started admitting THIRD-RATE PEOPLE TO GO TO MBA SCHOOL.

Then the Wall Street firms followed suit - throwing MERIT-BASED CRITERIA aside - the deciding factor became the color of one's skin - IF YOU WERE A WHITE MALE FROM THE SUBURBS YOU WERE IN A CATEGORY WHICH HAD DRAMATICALLY MORE DIFFICULT STANDARDS FOR PROMOTIONS AND HIRING.


THIS WAS ALWAYS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN.


WALL STREET HAS A THIRD-RATE TEAM ON THE FIELD WHICH HAS GONE ALONG WITH THE CROOKS FOR YEARS.


THE FIRST-RATE TEAM WAS THERE ATTEMPTING TO GET IN THE DOOR HOWEVER THE NEW YORK LIBERALS TURNED THEM AWAY.


THE FIRST-RATE TEAM WOULD HAVE EASILY AVERTED THIS CRISIS.


SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? PUT ANOTHER AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GUY IN CHARGE OF THE ECONOMY?


MCCAIN HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND MILITARY BACKGROUND TO FIGHT THE WALL STREET LOBBYISTS, SET THE WALL STREET BROKERS STRAIGHT, STOP THE OUTSIZED COMPENSATION PACKAGES AND PLACE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO BEING STRONG AGAIN.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 24, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

The short explanation for you-confused:
WTC buildings, according to the opinion of ALL specialists, were demolished on 9/11/2001. Do your own conclusions! Would you?

Posted by: aepelbaum | September 24, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

This independent, white, middle aged, "Family Dollar" Grandma is voting in the Presidential election for the first time this year. I saw part of Joe Biden's speech at the convention. It brought tears to my eyes and a since of hope for America again. I also watched part of Gov. Palin's speech. She left me with a terrible feeling of dread. I'm "of the opinion" that McCain/Palin will lead us into world war3 and enact the draft. I want a better future for my 6 grandchildren then that. Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Betsy | September 24, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Chris, you left out Biden's remark about how Franklin Roosevelt went on TV in 1929 to talk to the people about the Depression.

Posted by: Tom T. | September 24, 2008 6:40 AM

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And where exactly did you hear this remark? A new definition of a flip - flop, to hear something that never happened?

He said is that FDR led the change when things were in bad shape and gave our country hope when people needed it by doing the right thing, and pioneering TV in order to deliver message straight. And he also implicated that FDR was cleaning mess left to him by others, when market crashed. So, he really means that his and Obama team are ready to take charge. That is a good message we need! Not the message that FBR does not sleep over Palin's Yahoo email account.

Lipstick on a pig.

Posted by: Miron | September 24, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a mixed bag. I think Obama wanted an LBJ--someone who had good intentions and the clout with Congress and other leaders to pull strings when necessary.

Mike: You say having a finance degree in an engineering field is about as useful as a calculator at a spelling bee. Obviously having the right education is important to your ability to perform a job.

Using your logic skills, please answer the following question: Who would you want to be in charge of the most powerful political office in the world?

A) An "unremarkable" student who went through two third tier universities and three junior colleges in six years to obtain a degree in journalism?
B) A transfer student from a second tier who received a political science degree from a top tier university and a J.D. near the top of his class from another a top tier university while serving as editor-in-chief of the law review.
C) A "lazy" student who graduated from a second tier university with two degrees in history and poltical science and then earned a J.D. (near the bottom of his class) from a second tier school.
D) A "trouble maker" from a one of the nation's three military academies who graduated near the bottom of the class, and whose family pulled strings to get and keep him in school.

A) Palin. B) Obama. C) Biden. D) McCain.

Posted by: AL from TX | September 24, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Biden makes the occasional "gaffe" (is it really a gaffe if it's just a difference of opinion from Obama?) because he's willing to talk to reporters and the public. Let's see Palin have the guts to speak for herself and see how "gaffe-free" she is. She's a coward.

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Occasional as in every day ? If they aren't truly misstatements why is he continually being corrected like a wayward adolescent ?

Posted by: Elizabeth | September 24, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Billy, according to current disposition with hadily came stock market crash, Obama should win beyond doubts. Biden was and is known as too talkative and not too smart. Obama took this risk, because he needed someone with the long time OFFICIAL service in government. The choice of Hillary would have been the suicide for him, either politically or physically. More precisely - both. He was smart and intuitive enough to void it. Good for him and, of course, for the country.

Posted by: aepelbaum | September 24, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Can someone give a list all the jobs OBAMA has ever held (those which paid salary from non-governmental sources?

Was he ever a boy scout? a Paper boy? or worked in McDonald flipping burger? Worked in the college library?

All you OBAMA supporters - I would love to hear your spin on this.........

Posted by: Poor and unemployed | September 24, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

• Asking a reporter for the Washington Post whether he had ever played football and then, when learning said reporter had not played football, telling him he needed to work on his "pecs."

OH MY GOD!!! ALERT THE MEDIA!!! IT'S NIPPLEGATE 2!!!

Posted by: Grow A Pair (the other kind) | September 24, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

i don't understand. after everything out nation has faced since Sept 11, a man who who may have ties to a terrorist and attended an anti-white America church is about to become our president. what?!?!

Posted by: confused | September 24, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

If Boobus Americanus were remotely intellectually curious, they would realize that Biden helped draft the original Patriot Act under Clinton (he bragged about it on Tim Russert's show) and he would not even be considered for a part of Obama's so- called "Peace Candidacy."

However, like all great circuses, the entertainment value of the election far outweighs logical, objective scrutiny.

"Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses." - H.L. Mencken

Posted by: edward | September 24, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

If Obama doesn't win, he's going to look mighty foolish for refusing to offer the post to Hillary.

Posted by: Billy | September 24, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mark Garnett,

The mainstream media gave us George Bush, by failing to be critical of his obvious inadequacies and the idiocy of his policies during the last elections. No doubt you voted for the clown too. They are to blame therefore for tens of thousands of deaths, two ruined countries, torture, illegal domestic surveillance, a ruined economy, ignoral of the climate and energy crises, and worldwide disdain for the US. So the Rebublicans stick together a flimsy ticket of a dazed old "maverick" and a bright-eyed neophyte and you expect the media to not give them some scrutiny?? In fact they are all just as gaga over her as they have been at times over Obama - it's the novelty factor. The fact is: there is no-one ON THIS PLANET who supports the US Republican party in its current squalid degradation except a strangely deluded and hallucinating slice of the US public - people such as yourselves who lap up Fox News (bringing you: THE WAR!), people who whine about media bias when any actually objective media would be calling for impeachment of Bush for his lies that have led to the deaths and maiming of so many. You can continue to rant, but the evidence of the disasters of the Republicans are all round us, and were obvious to many of us from the beginning. But no, people like you and your favored media outlets had to insist on giving us and the world this plate of **** we all had to eat. Maybe its time for you all to go think about something other than politics for a while, huh??

Posted by: tony848 | September 24, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse


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The Major Cause Of The Wall Street Crisis Is Affirmative Action

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.



Clearly a MAJOR CAUSE of the Wall Street crisis is that they have NOT been selecting the best people to run the Wall Street firms.


The liberals have been pressing through these affirmative action programs at the Wall Street Firms and MBA Schools.


Wall Street has a third-rate team on the field - they have a bunch of sheep who owe their loyalty not to their own merit and brains but to the affirmative action programs which gave them their outsized salaries ABOVE MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES WHO COULD ACTUALLY DO THE JOB.

Instead Wall Street has HIRED A THIRD-RATE STAFF which goes along with the program.

The Smart A-List people have been pushed aside by the liberals who DO NOT CARE IF THE WORK IS GETTING DONE PROPERLY, rather they believe they have won when then have diversity and who cares if the balance sheet is a mess. LET'S BE CLEAR HERE THE NEW YORK LIBERALS ARE A MAJOR CAUSE OF THE WALL STREET CRISIS AND MESSING UP OUR REAL ESTATE MARKET AND THE FINANCIAL MARKETS.


Angry Liberals.


The Liberals took control of the MBA Admissions Boards of the top MBA Business Schools in the early 90s - they started admitting THIRD-RATE PEOPLE TO GO TO MBA SCHOOL.

Then the Wall Street firms followed suit - throwing MERIT-BASED CRITERIA aside - the deciding factor became the color of one's skin - IF YOU WERE A WHITE MALE FROM THE SUBURBS YOU WERE IN A CATEGORY WHICH HAD DRAMATICALLY MORE DIFFICULT STANDARDS FOR PROMOTIONS AND HIRING.


THIS WAS ALWAYS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN.


WALL STREET HAS A THIRD-RATE TEAM ON THE FIELD WHICH HAS GONE ALONG WITH THE CROOKS FOR YEARS.


THE FIRST-RATE TEAM WAS THERE ATTEMPTING TO GET IN THE DOOR HOWEVER THE NEW YORK LIBERALS TURNED THEM AWAY.


THE FIRST-RATE TEAM WOULD HAVE EASILY AVERTED THIS CRISIS.


SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? PUT ANOTHER AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GUY IN CHARGE OF THE ECONOMY?


MCCAIN HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND MILITARY BACKGROUND TO FIGHT THE WALL STREET LOBBYISTS, SET THE WALL STREET BROKERS STRAIGHT, STOP THE OUTSIZED COMPENSATION PACKAGES AND PLACE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO BEING STRONG AGAIN.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 24, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

First of all Lynn P., "Rumers" is actually spelled rumors.

But more importantly, Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden both have a moral compass that is so screwed up that I would shocked if they knew which direction north was. These men stand for nothing True and worthy, they are true politicians. Joe Biden has changed his position on just about every topic and he does so not because he is genuine, but because he sold his soul to stay in favor with godless men that control policy. Barack does not even love this country, and the American people just want something different, even if it is the worst kind of person possible in the oval office. If Barack Obama becomes president, may God have mercy on this country.

Posted by: Totally Shocked Person | September 24, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

hey Chris! it seems that Drudge is doing your homework for you. Be aware that he does want to push specific story lines. The Biden-Gaffee machine is one of them.

Posted by: igz | September 24, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Time Kaine was the right pick,
CHANGE?
bobama gave that silly idea up,
mccain didnt have to 'steal' it.
I like this new politics,
very upbeat and positive.
Wonderful to watch a completely
issues driven campaign on both
sides of the fence.

Posted by: usa3 | September 24, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

"An opinionated old man with the experience and capacity for leadership is better than an untested wild card who may end up being the president by default (McCains age IS an issue). Biden seems to me like a vain man in love with the sound of his own voice, but I trust him a hell of a lot more than Mystery Woman. Joe's character faults are pretty obvious, but I don't think they prevent him from being a good VP. I am just terrified of the prospect of a total novice being the commander in chief."

It took me a moment to realize that your first sentence refers to the VP candidates. I initially thought you were referring to McCain & Obama.

Ditto for your last sentence. I thought you were referring to Obama.

Posted by: glendower1 | September 24, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I hear they are already making up an excuse so that biden can be replaced...seems obama first decision as a candidate was wrong...ever wonder what else he is wrong about...

Posted by: Dwight | September 24, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Biden makes the occasional "gaffe" (is it really a gaffe if it's just a difference of opinion from Obama?) because he's willing to talk to reporters and the public. Let's see Palin have the guts to speak for herself and see how "gaffe-free" she is. She's a coward.

Posted by: Jayne, Midlothian, VA | September 24, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

McCain might have won if he had picked Romney. They would have campaigned with an emphasis of experience and fiscal responsibility. Given the current economic news, that choice might have been a winner. After only a couple of weeks, McCain's choice of Palin makes him look stupid. She's a loser. Most significantly, McCain reached out to the social conservative "base" with the Palin pick rather than the fiscal conservative "base" with a Romney pick. That was a mistake for McCain, the Republican Party, and our country. Even if McCain/Romney hadn't won, they would have re-galvanized the role of the Republican Party as fiscally responsible. Our country needs that message and it goes a lot further for everyone than the family values garbage, which people like Palin peddle but fail typically fail to live up to even in their personal lives. McCain/Palin: The Bridge to Nowhere

Posted by: thoren58 | September 24, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It should have been a clinton / obama ticket. Caucus bullying does not trump popular primary support. When McCain wins in November, Obama will finally get the experience he needs.

Posted by: hhkeller | September 24, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse


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The Major Cause Of The Wall Street Crisis Is Affirmative Action

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Clearly a MAJOR CAUSE of the Wall Street crisis is that they have NOT been selecting the best people to run the Wall Street firms.


The liberals have been pressing through these affirmative action programs at the Wall Street Firms and MBA Schools.


Wall Street has a third-rate team on the field - they have a bunch of sheep who owe their loyalty not to their own merit and brains but to the affirmative action programs which gave them their outsized salaries ABOVE MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES WHO COULD ACTUALLY DO THE JOB.

Instead Wall Street has HIRED A THIRD-RATE STAFF which goes along with the program.

The Smart A-List people have been pushed aside by the liberals who DO NOT CARE IF THE WORK IS GETTING DONE PROPERLY, rather they believe they have won when then have diversity and who cares if the balance sheet is a mess. LET'S BE CLEAR HERE THE NEW YORK LIBERALS ARE A MAJOR CAUSE OF THE WALL STREET CRISIS AND MESSING UP OUR REAL ESTATE MARKET AND THE FINANCIAL MARKETS.


Angry Liberals.


The Liberals took control of the MBA Admissions Boards of the top MBA Business Schools in the early 90s - they started admitting THIRD-RATE PEOPLE TO GO TO MBA SCHOOL.

Then the Wall Street firms followed suit - throwing MERIT-BASED CRITERIA aside - the deciding factor became the color of one's skin - IF YOU WERE A WHITE MALE FROM THE SUBURBS YOU WERE IN A CATEGORY WHICH HAD DRAMATICALLY MORE DIFFICULT STANDARDS FOR PROMOTIONS AND HIRING.


THIS WAS ALWAYS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN.


WALL STREET HAS A THIRD-RATE TEAM ON THE FIELD WHICH HAS GONE ALONG WITH THE CROOKS FOR YEARS.


THE FIRST-RATE TEAM WAS THERE ATTEMPTING TO GET IN THE DOOR HOWEVER THE NEW YORK LIBERALS TURNED THEM AWAY.


THE FIRST-RATE TEAM WOULD HAVE EASILY AVERTED THIS CRISIS.


SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? PUT ANOTHER AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GUY IN CHARGE OF THE ECONOMY?


MCCAIN HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND MILITARY BACKGROUND TO FIGHT THE WALL STREET LOBBYISTS, SET THE WALL STREET BROKERS STRAIGHT, STOP THE OUTSIZED COMPENSATION PACKAGES AND PLACE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO BEING STRONG AGAIN.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 24, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I'll take a straight-talking, honest, no-nonsense guy who makes some verbal miscues but has served this country extremely well for a quarter century over someone clouded by her own sense of power and whose major accomplishment is that she got a hockey rink built.

Posted by: Ida Know | September 24, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Media wanted Biden, Media got Biden, Media don't like Biden. Could the Fix and his media clustermonkeys get any more childish?

Posted by: Media Pig | September 24, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

You think saying Barack Hussein Obama over and over is going to gain you voters? Think again. I don't care what his ethnic lineage is. I care about ISSUES. Talk about the issues or get out of my face. Biden might be a gaffe-machine, but he's also the best debater on Capitol Hill, and an extremely skilled political operator. Palin recently got her first passport and thinks foreign policy experience is "I can see Russia from Alaska." McCain is hiding from the press in his bunker somewhere, while the nurses change his adult diaper. If he happens to die in office, we're in for a doozy. Do you really trust Palin to lead NATO if the Russians send tanks over the border of Poland? The way I see it, it's either Obama in 08 or I'm moving north to avoid the nuclear crosswind. Stop huffing glue, people. We have the Sword of Damocles over our heads and can't afford the luxury of finding out if McCain is going to be alive for the next 4 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Bidden does not fully understand the nature of his opponents nor does he fully grasp the nature of the role of the VP. Before he counterposes and contradicts Obama again he must reflect carefully on how he lost the race for the nomination. He now MUST SERVE THE NOMINEE WHO HAS CHOSEN him. Yes, he must learn to SERVE. OBAMA RUN A FAR BETTER CAMPAIGN than Joe B DID. Obama's opponents are ready to use any MEANS to WIN. bIDDEN, GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD.

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Kally-Williams | September 24, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

@ FIXFAN - "Race Baiting"? Ah, yes indeed when all else is lost, When the ship is Sinking, when the first officer is a mindless sap and if they don't get Elected is just has to be "race" There can be no other Explaination! BRACK-HUSSIN-OBAMA, Muslin - Ties to Every Marxist, and Student of Saul Olinski school of thinking not to mention, eveyone around him is an America hater - Your correct - They don't answer such questions Nor does Barack-Hussin-OBAMA vote (302 NOT Votings) on his record is quite clear. It just has to be "race"

Posted by: Mike | September 24, 2008 7:19 AM

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Yo Mike,
The race baiting I was talking about was from the Democrats themselves, even against the other Democratic candidates.
My point was that Biden knows he is more experienced more knowledgeable than the top of his own ticket and he is being muzzled by the American idols (Obama) handlers. They figure if they just don't say anything or don't answer any questions they will win by default with the low numbers for Bush and the terrible economy.

Posted by: fixfan | September 24, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Oh, come on! Now you're just flailing around, trying to come up with something to write about. Of course, Biden is an excellent pick for v.p. I'll put his foreign policy credentials up against anyone's, including the vaunted "foreign policy experience" of John McCain, who doesn't know Shiite from Shinola when it comes to foreign policy. Why don't you write a real piece: tell me how McCain acquired all his vast foreign policy experience. It seems to me he spent all those years in Washington pushing for deregulation and carrying on with Vicki Iseman.

Posted by: iacitizen | September 24, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

biden showed us a key to obama's judgement. obama has bad judgement. biden is mentally impaired. he rambles incoherently and is wrong on so many statements. he and obama aren't fit to serve.

Posted by: larry | September 24, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

enginenumber9:

Please - we're trying to get rid of Obama. Send him to American Samoa or someplace like that. He could even wear a toga and a crown for all we care.

Posted by: goldcoast | September 24, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Hillary would have helped win the election but with Bill would have made governing a Greek tragedy.

The Obama campain went on defense with the Biden pick to defend Pennsylvania which they were afraid would slip to McCain after the infamous trip to San Francisco by Sen. Obama where he partied with the elite and laughed at middle class democrat voters who cling to faith, family, firearms and flag.

Biden isn't the only one with gaffs, its just that much of the media has a tingle up their legs over Sen. Obama and/or are afraid to be considered lacking in political correctness if they attack Obama.

Don't forget that an Obama win means Hillary can NOT run in 4 years. In 8 years, Hillary will be almost as old as McCain is now.

A vote for McCain in 2008 is a vote for Hillary in 2012.

Ironically, Biden shows up the lack of experience at the top of the ticket. Shouldn't the presidential nominee have more experience than the VP nominee? Of either VP nominee?

Posted by: Xanadu | September 24, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I was completely behind Obama until he picked Joe Biden. Now I'm voting for Sarah Palin and McCain.

Obama is no doubt desperate to go back in time and pick Hillary. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some fabricated last minute incident that forced Joe Biden to step down and be replaced with Clinton.

Posted by: Thirdrail1 | September 24, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is a man of great political knowledge and would be an asset to our country. Actually any improvement over McCain and SPit Bull is a plus for our country.

Now that rumers are floating around that Biden will, on Oct 5, be excusing himself as VP for Obama, it would be great if he would confirm or deny thes rumers!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | September 24, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama better leave Joe Biden alone. Joe will knock Barack's dick in the dirt in a heartbeat. Come to think of it...........

Keep it up, Barack. heh heh heh heh heh

Posted by: ronnelson | September 24, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, but Illinois doesn't want Obama either. Our State economy is in terrible shape.

We desperately need someone who votes something other than Present on important bills. Someone who will fight for us. Obama has not done that.

Posted by: angieg | September 24, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Poor Joe. Let's see, as veeps go this year, I have to choose between crude lies and crass truth. Let me think about that.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT. OBAMA FOR .... SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS! :-)

Posted by: enginenumber9 | September 24, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

HA HA HA... Obama has his hands full! Guess he (once again) underestimated someone over 50 years of age. HA HA HA !!!

Posted by: chicagopearl | September 24, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Pick on Joe Biden if you will, thats ok. At least he is out there speaking on the campaign trail. Where is Sarah? Hidden behind the curtains in the living room peeking out once in awhile like a kid when someone comes to visit. Give me a break!!!! I dont understand how anyone would want to vote for a George Bush "want to be" and a Governor from no
where. She should have built the bridge, and stayed on it!!!

Posted by: Kevin | September 24, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

I love Biden. He was my number one choice for VP. His foreign policy credentials were very important to me, and I was very impressed with his performances at the debates.

...but since Palin, I too have been second guessing. Maybe he should have chosen Clinton? The most important thing after all is winning. Isn't it?

Posted by: Darren, DC | September 24, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Amazing! None of your commenters even acknowledge the Biden disaster with Catholics re abortion . Clumsily repeating and worsening the moral meltdown of Pelosi.Both have been condemned by U.S.Catholic Bishops and lay people for trying to mirepresent Catholic teaching 2000 years old.The story is all over the Internet these last several weeks.The elephant in the room? Get real, people.

Posted by: V.regis | September 24, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Biden had previously said he opposed the AIG bailout while Obama chose not to take a position on the move. "I think that in that situation, I think Joe should have waited as well," Obama told Lauer.

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So will it be the VP who makes executive decisions in an Obama administration? Making decisions is not exactly Obama's forte, is it?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

The mainstream media have gone over the line and are now straight-out propagandists for the Obama campaign. While they have been liberal and blinkered in their worldview for decades, in 2007-08, for the first time, the major media consciously are covering for one candidate for president and consciously are knifing the other. This is no longer journalism; it is simply propaganda. And as a result, we are less than seven weeks away from possibly electing a president who has not been thoroughly or even halfway honestly presented to the country by our watchdogs -- the press. The image of Obama that the press has presented to the public is not a fair approximation of the real man. The mainstream media ruthlessly and endlessly repeat any McCain gaffes while ignoring Obama gaffes. You have to go to weird little Web sites to see all the stammering and stuttering that Obama needs before getting out a sentence fragment or two. But all you see on the networks is an eventually clear sentence from Obama. You don't see Obama's ludicrous gaffe that Iran is a tiny country and no threat to us. Nor his 57 American states gaffe. Nor his forgetting, if he ever knew, that Russia has a veto in the U.N. Nor his whining and puerile "come on" when he is being challenged. But worse than all the unfair and distorted reporting and image projecting are the shocking gaps in Obama's life that are not reported at all. The major media simply have not reported on Obama's two years at New York's Columbia University, where, among other things, he lived a mere quarter-mile from former terrorist Bill Ayers. Later, they both ended up as neighbors and associates in Chicago. Obama denies more than a passing relationship with Ayers. Should the media be curious? In only two weeks, the media have focused on all the colleges Gov. Palin has attended, her husband's driving habits 20 years ago, and the close criticism of the political opponents Gov. Palin had when she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. But in two years, they haven't bothered to see how close Obama was with the terrorist Ayers. Nor have the media paid any serious attention to Obama's rise in Chicago politics. How did honest Obama rise in the famously sordid Chicago political machine with the full support of Boss Daley? Despite the great -- and unflattering -- details on Obama's Chicago years presented in David Freddoso's new book on Obama, the mainstream media continue to ignore both the facts and the book.

Posted by: MarkGarnett | September 24, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

obama is the most socialist democratic nominee in American history. for those of you who support him and thus also support socialism, how well has the worked for other nations? large government doesn't bring prosperity.

Posted by: geez | September 24, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, how come The Fix does not report that Obama and Biden voted TWICE against an amendment that would have diverted funds for the Bridge to Nowhere to transportation needs for Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina? Or would such criticism violate some Washington Post policy?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 24, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

(Biden later sought to clarify his position in a statement last night; "Having now reviewed the ad, it is even more clear to me that given the disgraceful tenor of Senator McCain's ads and their persistent falsehoods, his campaign is in no position to criticize," Biden said.)

McCain is in no position to criticize but the ad is still "terrible" enough for Biden to have done so ?

Biden had previously said he opposed the AIG bailout while Obama chose not to take a position on the move. "I think that in that situation, I think Joe should have waited as well," Obama told Lauer.

Obama insists he is comfortable with a strong number 2 but tries to cover up any differences with tbese incredibly patronizing and embarrassing retractions ??? Little wonder Biden sees himself as the adult.

Posted by: Elizabeth | September 24, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

One thing about picking Biden: he's not going to stop being Biden! Doesn't matter what anybody says.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 24, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the poster saying that Joe Biden is the real deal. He is ope,n down to earth, and has so much common sense. Yes, he puts is foot in his mouth once in a while, but that only happens in settings that do not really count, except to the ones who love any gaffes. He is very careful when it comes to making decisions on important issues and that's what counts. A good man, a good person, and someone who can help lead our great nation out of the present problems caused by eight years of being out of touch!

Posted by: petecnmi | September 24, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Biden's strength was in forcing McCain to choose a nutjob like Palin. Had Obama chosen Hillary, who the Republicans loathe, he would have moved his ticket left, and McCain would have chosen a centrist (probably a female or a minority). By choosing Biden, Obama painted McCain into a corner, forcing him to pick an extremist running mate to try and rally his base. Palin who would have not been his first choice otherwise.

Posted by: Blumberg | September 24, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

And the Obama camp had the gall to question McCain's judgment when he picked Palin. What about Obama's judgment? Oh no, he did not pick his VP. He left it to a committee of Caroline Kennedy, former CEO of Fannie Mae Jim Johnson (does that not raise eyebrows), and Eric Holder, who served as deputy attorney general under Bill Clinton. Yes America, the choice for a heartbeat away left to those three.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

An opinionated old man with the experience and capacity for leadership is better than an untested wild card who may end up being the president by default (McCains age IS an issue). Biden seems to me like a vain man in love with the sound of his own voice, but I trust him a hell of a lot more than Mystery Woman. Joe's character faults are pretty obvious, but I don't think they prevent him from being a good VP. I am just terrified of the prospect of a total novice being the commander in chief.

Posted by: Devo | September 24, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

VOTE for "Change" - They Say...Well lets see, If I come home from work, find my house burned to the ground, and my dogs dead - Well, that’s change too.

Posted by: Mike | September 24, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Chris,

Everyone knew Biden was going to have a couple of missteps as soon as he was named as Obama's running mate. I think people have been pleasantly surprised that there have been so few - and none of them were really major gaffes (in my opinion). I think Biden has been a great asset to the Obama campaign with his passion on the stump and his overwhelming knowledge and experience of the issues.

On the flip side, I think this question would be much more applicable to Republicans. It appears that the McCain campaign is using every handicap possible to make sure Palin doesn't make a big, novice mistake (i.e. cameras only at UN event). It makes you wonder whether Regis regrets choosing Kelly to be his running mate.

Posted by: Schuy2 | September 24, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Come on folks! We say we want a 'real' person. Someone who talks just like we do. We get sick of the politicians who speak only from their talking points. (and it seems to be just fine for this 'real' person to be a hockey mom and is unsure about what the vice president really does)

Joe is EXACTLY who we need to restore some sense of realness to our politics again. Smart and honest, if not perfect. Sounds just like a real person to me.

Posted by: Lynn | September 24, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

It hasn't exactly been a secret that Biden is prone to verbal gaffes, but that he is also his own guy, and a nice, knowledgeable one at that. Palin was strictly a marketing choice to appease the hardcore right wing distrustful if not completely unhappy with McCain, and she has yet to demonstrate that she can function without a script. And while Biden's gaffes have been rather innocuous, McCain and Palin's not so little bits of fibbery, especially by McCain and his campaign head Steve Schmidt, as part of their business as usual Republican smear tactics has not been (go look up the work of reporters Michael Cohen and Farhad Manjoo if you doubt this.)

The bottom line is that for all practical purposes, Obama-Biden are the good guys, and McCain-Palin the bad guys. It really is as simple as that.

Posted by: BC | September 24, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

C’mon, we new this was coming sooner or later. Looking back on Biden’s charming cluelessness we can go to the time when the famously verbose senator was asked to state in 25 words or less why Democrats should nominate him. His response was 45 words. I suppose that, by Biden’s standards, coming in at just under twice his allotted length counts as a victory of sorts. Biden then explained why he could win: “If people learn my story, learn my record, I think I can compete. The question is, can I raise the money?” This is sort of like me saying that I think I can compete for a starting NFL quarterback job, but the question is, can I avoid injuries? It’s a question, but it’s certainly not the question. And then there was the time when referring to Obama he said, “You have the first sort of mainstream African American who is articulate bright and clean and a nice looking guy I mean that is a story book man.” And let’s not forget the time Biden attempted to endear himself to an Indian American supporter by telling him that in Delaware, “You cannot go to a 7/11 or dunkin donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent . . . I’m not joking.”

Posted by: gettyleigh | September 24, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

@ the 60 year old White women who doesn’t buy it” Making the point Your "60 and White"...You already have bought it lady. Lets all make sure we say "oh see I'll vote for the black muslim..I'm not like the AP-Yahoo poll...Very sappy lady, Very sappy.

Posted by: Mike | September 24, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

1) Obama has been talking about change. Someone like Biden makes the case that Obama can effectuate change.

2) The "experts" really shouldn't judge Biden until his debate with Palin, which is when most people will see him.

Posted by: E | September 24, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

did you all know that Biden likes to use the cologne - Old & Spice?

that's what he is by the way....TOO OLD AND SPICEY.

PALIN FOR VP!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Biden's cologne | September 24, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

There is something completely wrong with all those people who constantly read that Factwacth.org,they must either be an idiot or a Racist,I think they are both.In four(4)years from now, you'll be able to vote for HRC to be your desired President instead of a African-American.NJ1

Posted by: NJ1. | September 24, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Then the old man announced "PALIN"...and they all ran in fear that their Abortion "choice" was threatened! Calling Dr. Green, Please come and remove Mrs. Smith "choice" But how could this be? She's a Woman? And the Left remains baffled and confused... Hints of Incest, Trooper-gate, No Experience began to swell in the ranks. Whats this? They are circling the wagons....Tune in next week where Joey B drops another kitchen plate and Barack-Hussein-Obama, stutters his way though another painful interview!...

Posted by: MIke | September 24, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Chris, I have been an unabashed Biden fan throughout the campaign and I was really sorry I had to miss his appearance here in Loudoun County last week -- with Jill Biden, too! My family rooted for him to be the pick and we are still basking in the happiness of that selection.

My only fear about the stories you mention is that the Obama-Biden campaign will let the nitpicking "get inside their heads" and actually change, in some way, how Biden is campaigning. Joe Biden knows how to connect with us, and it's partly through his free and easy manner. I hope the campaign leaves him to it!

Let me suggest instead how I have seen the various mistakes that you mention, and the others. Although he doesn't make a big show about it with a sign on the outside of his bus, I think that it's Joe Biden who is now riding the Straight Talk Express. From what I have read, Biden has total openness to the press, he has had more than 80 interviews (everyone has lost count, there were so many), and he has participated in numerous townhalls and chatty exchanges with voters. This strategy, as when John McCain followed it, is enormously appealing to reporters (which can't be a bad thing) and to the voters, at least this voter, because we are seeing "the real person," and it's a person we like. Of course, when anybody talks that freely, they are bound to say something silly, more than once. That's why John McCain panicked and fell prey to robotic message discipline. In the end, though, I think Biden's openness cements his appeal with voters, just as McCain's radio silence and forced creepy grin are putting them off.

Anybody who would be such a stand-up single parent and husband, such a history-maker in the Senate on both the judiciary and foreign affairs, and such a resilient life force after personal tragedies, has a life story that earns my respect. My recommendation is that we leave the kind of hyperanalysis in this posting to the negative attack masters over at the McCain Campaign. Presumably they are peddling the "gaffe narrative" in an effort to rattle Biden a bit before the debate with Palin, so he will be overly self-conscious in choosing his words. I don't think he'll fall for it. He's seen tougher times than this.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | September 24, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Yup, that's Joe and the Obama campaign will have to have a small conversation with him. I second those, however, who call Joe the "real deal". He's human and easy to relate to rather than some kind of a "human curiosity" at a circus which, unfortunately, Palin is fast becoming.

He's met and has contact with countless world leaders, his passport wasn't issued last year and while he can't see even Bermuda from his home on Barley Mill Road in Greenville, DE, he's done better as he's actually been to most of the world.

I'll take an educated and experienced guy who expresses honest feeling and, yes, makes a few gaffes on occasion than someone who was "plucked" out of nowhere to pander to the worst in our electorate. That "worst", it turns out, isn't so bad after all. They're starting to see the light as well.

Posted by: Back Porch | September 24, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Biden's value is still up in the air, like much of the whole contest. Wait until the VP debate. If he dominates that debate, he'll have proven his value while at least 40 million americans are watching. Lack of attention at that point won't matter as he would win a couple of days of excellent coverage as a dark horse with few negatives known while the Palin pick would be suddenly look bad. If he can't shine in the VP debate, he belongs at the glue factory, no matter how hard he campaigns the rest of the time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Switching to Hillary at this point would also be seen as flip flopping. Very risky.

Posted by: no go | September 24, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a horrible pick to be VP because of the fact that he talks with his mouth, not his heart.

Posted by: susalial | September 24, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Biden is experienced, forthright and cares deeply about the average American.
At least with Biden, it is possible to have an informed opinion.

By contrast, it is impossible to have an informed opinion about Sarah Palin as we have been treated like citizens of a fascist state in terms of access and press coverage. Disgusting display of crass patronizing of the American public - pick a woman and assume the women of America will identify with her, ask few questions, demand no press conferences, and vote for her.

I am a 60 year old white voter who does not buy it.

Posted by: MLFN | September 24, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

@ kate buckingham Many Presidents never went to school so this makes your statements well, lame. The major funder for Barrack-Hussin-Obama is Biyy Ayers - Marxist. Second, You just said it yourself - "College" - With all those Degrees, they're still lost. You think a "college degree" means one actually knows something? ha-ha! I'm in the Engineering Field, MY BOSS has a degree in finance and he's clueless too. Talk about "Fooled". Fact is, You can put a lable on an ORANGE that says LEMON - Its Still an Orange. Neither of these guys are to smart. Or what was that Snide Remark BARACK-HUSSIN-OBAMA used? Very Classy.

Posted by: Mike | September 24, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden was the best Vice Presidential pick that Barack could have made with the question of governing in mind. It was a gamble politically because he isn't a "drama" pick as was Palin. Joe Biden isn't going to excite the youth or make the media drool. However, Biden brings real experience, real legislative prowess and a much greater understanding of foreign affairs as a complete strategy (not simply the military one that McCain focuses on). Senator Biden was a brilliant pick and a responsible pick as far as the caliber and quality of people Barack wants to have in his administration. All this nonsense of his 'gaffes' and the politics of the campaign will long be forgotten when Biden is put into office and helps to execute in an extremely difficult environment. Senator Obama is well aware of the challenges facing the next president and he chose the best person to help him address these challenges - as oppossed to Senator McCain -who made his choice because nobody was coming to hear him speak and because he wanted to institute a 180 message reconfiguration to that of his 'change' mantra - which is just way too silly to actually convince anybody of its legitimacy.

Posted by: NK | September 24, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Biden for White House court jester.

Posted by: Bob | September 24, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Biden is experienced, forthright and cares deeply about the average American.
At least with Biden, it is possible to have an informed opinion.

By contrast, it is impossible to have an informed opinion about Sarah Palin as we have been treated like citizens of a fascist state in terms of access and press coverage. Disgusting display of crass patronizing of the American public - pick a woman and assume the women of America will identify with her, ask few questions, demand no press conferences, and vote for her.

I am a 60 year old white voter who does not buy it.

Posted by: MLFN | September 24, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Stop stirring up trouble for Biden! We are lucky to have him as the VP candidate with Obama. He is wise, experienced, moral, a wonderful family man, and very candid. And, remember, you are hearing this from a lifelong Republican! Most important, although he might disagree with Obama on occasion, that is exactly what we are looking for in a Vice President. What should we want? Another Cheney? If, on occasion, he slips and makes a misstatement, that only proves that he is human like the rest of us. If you are running out of things to write about, please look elsewhere. Otherwise, I recommend you stay away from criticizing Biden. Just imagine if the Democrats had had the misfortune of having Palin on the ticket! We former Republicans are counting our lucky stars!

Posted by: formerrepublican | September 24, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Americans are so easily fooled by fear tactics that they are quick to vote for the old white guy fervently promising to put "country first" and to "stop the terrorists" at the expense of the young black guy who talks about the ISSUES facing the American people and has true plans for change. If you were the boss, who would you hire? OBAMA: Harvard law professor, Juris Doctor of law degree, Senate committees: foreign relations, homeland security, veterans affairs, health, education. BIDEN: Juris Doctor of law degree, Chair of senate foreign relations committee, plus member of committees on homeland security, economy, crime, health, education, families. McBUSH: graduated from the naval academy and was in the bottom 5% of his class, Senate committees: economy, energy and official conduct (arguably the 3 biggest Republican failures!!!!!!), PITBULL PALIN: went to 6 different colleges before finally getting an undergrad BA degree in journalism, no domestic or foreign policy experience, never met a world leader but can see Russia from her house.

Posted by: kate buckingham | September 24, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the perfect pick! Give him some time. Like Palin would be a better choice?

Posted by: Jim Atlanta | September 24, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

me wonder if the polls were taken again today in light of the most recent gaffes Biden has committed, will they still reflect the same figures as we knew then?

i totally doubt it.

Obama made the mistake of not making H. Clinton his VP. A classic case of a man who would be president but lacks judgment.

Posted by: Biden's questionable character | September 24, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I am so glad that Obama didn't pick Hillary, as you can now see his VP choice can not have there own opinion!! Obama would have shoved Hillary in a corner just to keep her mouth shut, at least now with her in the senate, she can control what she wants to say!! Biden has lost his freedom of speech!!

Posted by: Sa1950 | September 24, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

@ FIXFAN - "Race Baiting"? Ah, yes indeed when all else is lost, When the ship is Sinking, when the first officer is a mindless sap and if they don't get Elected is just has to be "race" There can be no other Explaination! BRACK-HUSSIN-OBAMA, Muslin - Ties to Every Marxist, and Student of Saul Olinski school of thinking not to mention, eveyone around him is an America hater - Your correct - They don't answer such questions Nor does Barack-Hussin-OBAMA vote (302 NOT Votings) on his record is quite clear. It just has to be "race"

Posted by: Mike | September 24, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least Sen. Biden is a grown up candidate who's allowed out on his own; which is more than you can say about Gov. Palin, she's uninformed that the McCain campaign wouldn't even allow her near the press on her own. Pathetic.

Posted by: laSerenissima | September 24, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Americans are so easily fooled by fear tactics that they are quick to vote for the old white guy fervently promising to put "country first" and to "stop the terrorists" at the expense of the young black guy who talks about the ISSUES facing the American people and has true plans for change. If you were the boss, who would you hire? OBAMA: Harvard law professor, Juris Doctor of law degree, Senate committees: foreign relations, homeland security, veterans affairs, health, education. BIDEN: Juris Doctor of law degree, Chair of senate foreign relations committee, plus member of committees on homeland security, economy, crime, health, education, families. McBUSH: graduated from the naval academy and was in the bottom 5% of his class, Senate committees: economy, energy and official conduct (arguably the 3 biggest Republican failures!!!!!!), PITBULL PALIN: went to 6 different colleges before finally getting an undergrad BA degree in journalism, no domestic or foreign policy experience, never met a world leader but can see Russia from her house.

Posted by: kate buckingham | September 24, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama's entire rationale for Biden was to compensate for Obama's biggest vulnerability -- inexperience -- even at the cost of diluting the message of change.

By picking Palin, McCain shrewdly destroyed that rationale, leaving Obama simply with an albatross. It was a brilliant move.

Posted by: No way! | September 24, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Palin makes no mistakes, because she gives no interviews.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

biden was for lobbyist before he was against them. example: his brother and son.

biden was for.....before he was against....

Posted by: cfc | September 24, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

biden was for riding on trains before he was against it.

Posted by: cfc | September 24, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Just Remember - There are no Coal Factories in America. If Joey said it - Must be fact, along with Roosevelt "TV" ad in 1929

Posted by: Mike | September 24, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Who cares about Sen. Windbag? He got 70,000 primary votes, the fewest of any mainstream candidate on either side. He was choose to make NoBama look like a grownup and because he wasn't Hillary Clinton.
THis poor choice, herded thru by Caroline Kennedy (who elected her?) is falling flat and the buyer's remorse is palpable.
Step off Joe and let Hillary on the ticket. I will not vote again for two men. Nope. Esp. one whose senate staff is mostly male at the senior level and whose staff salaries are out of whack as well, paying men more. It is like 1974 with NoBama. He hires poorly, on the Hill and in the campaign. These actions speak to his executive abilities. Not impressed...
NoBama!

Posted by: Florida Puma | September 24, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

biden based his change on mccain ads on actually watching them, I say have him watch obama's other ads most of which are blantant lies even according to www.factwatch.org

biden was against rezko, ayers and wright before he was for them.

Posted by: cfc | September 24, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I am surprised not by JB's "FDR on TV" gaffe but by the policy splits from the BHO line.
I like JB in no small part because he speaks his mind, but I would have thought that the Ds could control message on the bailout proposal.

Having said this, I have also listened to JB live on POTUS'08 and he clearly connects with his audiences. He is a net positive, IMO.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | September 24, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

biden may have experience but he does not have judgement.

Posted by: cfc | September 24, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

It is clear to me that Biden sees himself as the one in charge in this relationship, the voice of experience and respect, the adult. He really believes what he said in a debate that Obama is not qualified yet to be president while McCain is. A loose cannon we don’t need in the White House. I think Obama and Biden would make a catastrophic team.


But what is really weird is that just last week he was talking up the possibilities of coal technology to the United Mine Workers of America at their annual fish fry in Virginia.

“You know we have enough coal in the United States of America to meet out needs domestically for the better part of the next hundred to 200 years,” and investing the savings from McCain’s tax breaks for oil companies in …. “in coal gasification, finding out how we can burn the coal that you dig that can free us from being dependent on foreign oil countries and at the same time not ruin the environment.”

So…either 1.) Biden didn’t catch the “clean” in the clean coal question, 2.) is reverting back to the primary position that there are cleaner, more efficient routes to energy independence after being retracted on the “terrible” ad comment, or 3.) knows as well as most inteligent Americans that the more skillful liar of the two is just not cut out to be President.
lol

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden is what this country needs right now!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

It is clear to me that Biden sees himself as the one in charge in this relationship, the voice of experience and respect, the adult. He really believes what he said in a debate that Obama is not qualified yet to be president while McCain is. A loose cannon we don’t need in the White House. I think Obama and Biden would make a catastrophic team.


But what is really weird is that just last week he was talking up the possibilities of coal technology to the United Mine Workers of America at their annual fish fry in Virginia.

“You know we have enough coal in the United States of America to meet out needs domestically for the better part of the next hundred to 200 years,” and investing the savings from McCain’s tax breaks for oil companies in …. “in coal gasification, finding out how we can burn the coal that you dig that can free us from being dependent on foreign oil countries and at the same time not ruin the environment.”

So…either 1.) Biden didn’t catch the “clean” in the clean coal question, 2.) is reverting back to the primary position that there are cleaner, more efficient routes to energy independence after being retracted on the “terrible” ad comment, or 3.) knows as well as most inteligent Americans that the more skillful liar of the two is just not cut out to be President.
lol
was talking up the possibilities of coal technology to the United Mine Workers of America at their annual fish fry in Virginia.

“You know we have enough coal in the United States of America to meet out needs domestically for the better part of the next hundred to 200 years,” and investing the savings from McCain’s tax breaks for oil companies in …. “in coal gasification, finding out how we can burn the coal that you dig that can free us from being dependent on foreign oil countries and at the same time not ruin the environment.”

So…either 1.) Biden didn’t catch the “clean” in the clean coal question, 2.) is reverting back to the primary position that there are cleaner, more efficient routes to energy independence after being retracted on the “terrible” ad comment, or 3.) knows as well as most inteligent Americans that the more skillful liar of the two is just not cut out to be President.
lol

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

biden was for intervention abroad before he was against it.

biden was against stipping homeowners protections of bankruptcy before he was agains it.

biden was against busing before he was for it.

biden was for honesty before he was against it.

biden was for experience before he was agains it.

Posted by: cfc | September 24, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is Joe Biden like him or not. I would much rather have a candidate who has an opinion and speaks his mind rather than a manufactured image with no record on anything who votes "present not voting" and can't be pinned down to an answer on any issue. The Democrats should be swept into office this year by just avoiding answering any questions, race baiting and the real fear of the electorate with the economy; it's working so far. It must be difficult for Biden knowing he has 100 times more experience to play second banana to the American idol.

Posted by: fixfan | September 24, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

It seems that Biden was picked for what he wasn't (young, black, inexperienced) rather than what he was (long-winded, off message). Obama's camp is now paying the price.

By contrast, Palin was picked for what she was (young, female, right wing), and McCain's camp are paying the price for what she isn't (competent, knowledgeable about foreign affairs).

Heads you lose, tails I win!

Posted by: Alex Goodall | September 24, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

biden was against coal before he was for it before he was against it.

biden was for the ad before he was against it before he was for it.

biden was for the bridge before he was against it.

biden was for the banks before he was against them.

biden was for the war before he was against it.

biden was for guns before he was against them.

biden was for life before he was against it.

biden was against obama before he was for him.

Posted by: cfc | September 24, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Chris, Obama went with Bidden to help him close the foreign policy gap with McCain however the latest polls don't indicate much better performance even after choosing Bidden. I would argue so far Bidden has been no-harm choice but if he starts making more gaffes than he is risk to Obama's clear message. It seems to me Bidden needs some guidance from Chicago's firm hands to keep him in check. As for being below the national media radar, thats not a bad thing for him as long as he is well received in battle ground states.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Chris, you left out Biden's remark about how Franklin Roosevelt went on TV in 1929 to talk to the people about the Depression.

Posted by: Tom T. | September 24, 2008 6:40 AM | Report abuse

I would assume the Obama camp knew what they were getting when they chose Biden. He is a loose cannon, and it's probably a bit difficult for Biden to be in a secondary role to someone junior to him. That said, Biden must realize what he's taken on with the role. He is smart and affable (and should be smart enough to figure out his role in the campaign and think twice before speaking...)

Posted by: RickJ | September 24, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

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