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Scoring "Bitter-gate" (So Far)

It's easy, amid the conference calls and surrogate statements that have flown back and forth over the last 48 hours, to lose sight of what is truly at stake in the battle over Sen. Barack Obama's (Ill.) comments about small town voters.

The Fix aims to provide some clarity on the issue even as the frenzy continues. So, below you'll find the pluses (yes, there are some) and minuses for Obama's political future. There are of course many unknowns -- the biggest being how long this hubbub lasts -- but here's our attempt to wrap our arms around one of the biggest events in the campaign to date.

What did we miss? Offer your own pluses and minuses in the comments section below.

PLUSES

* Friday Night Firestorm: The news of Obama's remarks at the fundraiser broke on Friday afternoon when many people were paying a lot more attention to their weekend plans than to the state of the presidential race (not, of course, the ever-vigilant Fix). That's not to suggest average voters won't become aware of the controversy, but the fact that it first unfolded on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday may lessen the damage. Of course, the Sunday talk shows are sure to be dominated by talk of Obama's gaffe -- a focus that will drive a series of stories Monday.

* No YouTube Yet: The fact that no video of Obama's remarks has emerged, yet, is a blessing for the Illinois Senator's campaign. (This clip, uncovered by Politico's Ben Smith, suggests that someone was videotaping the event and, if so, that the actual remarks are likely to emerge on video at some point.) Scoff if you will but video is FAR more powerful than audio in the political arena. And, the only extant audio we have heard -- captured by Huffington Post -- is scratchy and not of the best quality. That amounts to a blessing for the Obama campaign.

* Rapid Response: Sensing a potential problem, the Obama campaign responded swiftly to the growing controversy -- making sure reporters had transcripts and video of Obama's response to the flood of criticism that started Friday evening. Smart move. Some things are too big to effectively squelch within 48 hours but the Obama campaign apparatus again proved its mettle.

* General Election Practice?: Obama drew kudos for the way in which he handled the controversy over comments made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- bolstering the confidence of worried party strategists who wondered if he was ready for the big time. Should Obama successfully navigate this stormy sea (and that remains an "if"), he may well emerge stronger and better prepared for what promises to be a rough and tumble general election. Every crisis -- even this one -- provides opportunity.

MINUSES

* Double Barreled Assault: The "elitism" charge leveled at Obama fits nicely into the messaging of BOTH Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) in the primary battle and Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), who is already waging a general election campaign. For every statement Obama puts out on the issue, two come in response. For every conference call his campaign holds, that number is doubled by Clinton and McCain. Fighting two-on-one makes for tough odds and is usually a recipe for a loss.

* Geography is Destiny: There couldn't have been a worse place for Obama to make these remarks. San Francisco is widely seen by those who live in so-called "fly over" country as an example of liberalism run rampant. Even Obama, who touts his willingness to speak truth to power, appears to have gotten caught playing to his audience.

* Republican Red Meat: Branding the Democratic nominee as an out-of-step elitist is something Republican strategists have some experience with. One needs only think back to 2004 when Sen. John Kerry's ordering of a cheesesteak with swiss cheese, expensive haircuts and penchant for windsurfing came to define him as someone unable to empathize with the average voter. Can Obama avoid a similar fate?

* Sorry is the Hardest Word: On Friday, Obama said that his political opponents were twisting his words out of context. On Saturday Obama said he regretted the words he chose but didn't back away from the sentiment. Will tomorrow bring a full-fledged apology? If so, Obama dragged out the inevitable apology for three days -- ensuring that the story will survive into the early part of next week (if not longer).

* The States to Come: Obama appeared to be on the rise in Pennsylvania in advance of the state's April 22 primary. It's hard to see how these comments (and the furor they have caused) don't slow that momentum considerably. And, both Indiana and North Carolina have a high number of small towns where religious faith and gun ownership are close to ubiquitous. It's hard to see Obama losing in North Carolina given the significant black vote, but could these comments cost him a win in the Hoosier State -- the last true battleground in the nomination fight? Could they also impact Montana and South Dakota, small-town heavy states set to vote on June 3?

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 13, 2008; 6:00 AM ET
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Comments

Barack interprets frustration as "bitterness", because this is how he and his wife feel. Just like the Reverend Wright and most of the congregation of the church they attend. It's obvious with his wife, Michelle. But now I am starting to see it in him also. His criticisms of Hillary are getting kind of creepy. Like his smirky, acidic remarks referring to her as "Annie Oakley" and wondering how many ducks she shot lately.

He's kept his cool when criticized for something he can easily talk himself out of. But when he gets busted good, like he did with the "small towns" comment, he gets his hackles up and the cynicism and bitterness that is a part of his true nature starts to become apparent.

Posted by: lsb50 | April 15, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Just imagine in a gentler world where a political strategy was to say, yes, he has a point, though the imagery is a little rough. Here is why he has a point. People who live in rural areas frequently travel long distances for healthcare and are disproportionately affected by rising prices. Job creation is largely forgotten in rural areas. A sense of community is threatened by people who invest in large homes and have no interest in participating in building better schools and preserving values that have contributed so much to this country. I see this and I will help change this. Just imagine if that was the dialectic engaged in by either candidate. Oh well.

Posted by: quinne | April 15, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Hey people! what's happening to your 'democracy?'. I thoughttrue democracy meant TRUTH all the way, meant picking out where or what is hurting with out having to ignore. Which is better? A politician who transparently shares out his or her innocent thoughts on situations and gets respect for "at least bothering to find out" or one who ignores and practices deciet all the way? Your politics is kinda looking like a third world thing to me now; where politiians fear or ignore important decision making processes or even do any thing itabout here primarily because the poeple dont matter. or, has it always been that kid in kidish in America? It is no longer dirty. Its kiddish and not interesting atall for a country that thinks every other good people (read country) should emulate its way of politics; hence the mess of Iraq, etc. I think you people have sent out very strong signals of 'stupid, insignificant' ways of politiking to the rest of the world. May be the so-called GOP would do better with what level of maturity they still have; except 'bullying' the rest of the world.

Posted by: eart o the ground | April 15, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Hold on people--It seems to me Sen nd Mrs Obama made $1 MILLION dollars last year according to his last years tax returns. I believe that qualifies him for the millionaire club and $1 MILLION dollars is not exactly "chump change". Sen Clinton's wealth comes mostly from Pres Clinton's speeches--etc. I dare say Obama will probly earn another $1 million or so THIS year whether he wins the election or not. I don't think he is ready for the poor house yet. Get a Life people!!!The man is a dishonest fraud!!!!

Posted by: veregens2 | April 15, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

However, can Obama relate to the blue collar worker in this nation? His wealthy white grandparents fully supported his family financially send him to private school, boarding school and Harvard. Obama never had to pay student loans back like the regular blue collar worker. Nevertheless, in Obama's infamous speech about "race" he let the whole nation know that his mother was a racist. This is how he shows his gratitude towards his white grandmother? And why does he not ever show his white mother in public? Is he embarassed that she is white? He is such a selfish and ungrateful grandson!

Furthermore, his mother married her second husband immediately after she left Obama's father. Therefore, she was not single for too long as Obama claims. In addition, Obama's mother died when he was about 34 and not a child as he often implies in speeches.

While it is true that Obama's mother and African father were on welfare; they also received full financial support from his white grandparents. Otherwise how would you explain the fancy private schools and boarding schools Obama attended that would have cost thousands of dollars which she could have not afford while receiving welfare and unemployed

MR Obama you are an ELITIST and do not attempt to be something you are not.

Posted by: LindaGR | April 14, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

When was Obama working class? When he went to the most elite private high school in Hawaii, or when he studied in the Ivy league university? Or maybe when he bought the 1.65 million house? It is ridiculous that people try to make him something that he is not..

Posted by: rjv | April 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The suffix "gate" is supposed to be attached to corruption related scandals, not to true statements that are distorted by a political opponent and then latched onto by ratings-dependent cable media. If ever there were a case of much ado about nothing, this is it.

What is NOT nothing is Sen. Clinton's account of sniper fire in Bosnia. Either she knowingly told a big fat lie, or else she is delusional and does not know the difference between reality and fantasy. Neither recommends her for the presidency.

But for the media to allow for one cycle McCain and Clinton to gang up and try to tag Obama as "elitist" -- when McCain is the richest man in the Senate and the Clintons reported more $100 million in income since leaving the White House -- is beyond "out-of-touch."

Working class people know the score. Obama is the one who identifies with us. The only one of the three.

Posted by: chouteau | April 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

THIS ISN'T A GAFFE. THIS IS THE TRUTH. BARACK SPOKE THE TRUTH.

Barack said... "People cling to religion [etc] *because that is the only thing they can count on. They know they can't count on the politicians"

Oh and I am bitter too... starting my own business and I am not bitter over taxes (I have no money). What I am bitter over is the cost of my health care. I am bitter over the cost of this damn war. To put things in perspective, for the cost of 30 days of this war we could have built a 226mph train system in California. For the cost of this war we could have sent every single child alive to college -- for free!

I am bitter because I see my children's future absolutely wasted. I see my children living in a declining nation that is lead by the Chinese government (our lenders) by the nose. I am bitter because I see that the press is useless.

After these remarks by Barack -- I know know for certain *he gets it*. Even though I have no money -- I will help Barack.

Posted by: in-sf-and-bitter | April 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

here's you some polls: The American Research Group says this morning that its latest poll shows Clinton ahead 57%-37%. The survey of 600 Democratic primary voters was begun Friday and completed on Sunday.

Posted by: MAC | April 14, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

PLUSES ??? I'm not so sure

No YouTube Yet: By all means, let's keep it secret --- I recall this item being used as a knock on established politicians, in particularly, his remaining Dem opponent

Rapid Response: Oh yes, so efficient. I recall this item being used as a derogatory description of the Clinton campaign.

General Election Practice?: Truth-sayer - oh sure, if Obama speaks unvarnished opinion then it's kudos for him. I can think of others who were and are treated differently - that might be everyone else in the race.

BOTTOM LINE - Aall of this tends to kill the mythical spirit that his campaign was floating on. If he's really as human as any of the others who dropped out in heat of his supernova, then we should all be taking a critical look at the man. What is he really saying about policy. Is it as good as the policy wonk's stuff ? Her stuff is quite good.

Posted by: laffing up my sleave | April 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

just SV Breeder, don't you think it is time to save gas? You leaked a little on this forum. Are you are typing in your sleep and having a wild dream..
Wake up SV the Republicans will lose. The Democrats are registering by millions to save this country.

Posted by: Roosevelt1 | April 14, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

what if what Senator Obama is right? There is obvious disenchantment from an electorate seeing itself increasingly disinfranchised. It IS hard to accept differences that make it seem someone has more than you do. It is hard to be generous when one's job, house or lifestyle might disappear tomorrow. It's the economy, after all.

Posted by: cassandra | April 14, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Well we see the many gaming faces obomba.

He just continues to dig deeper. He continues to divide our Nation.He now is reverting to his adolescence thinking and talking too much.
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Mocking women shooting a gun undermines every woman in our military.

The big guns are out today, Axelrod is explainin' and beggin'
Last obomba professed to not only being a Christian but a devout Christian. Oh, that is much better. What a sin to lie. We exclaim " What a farce." He describes small town America in his South Chicago terminology. Well, small town America is different and he falsely claims to express their feelings and yet their feelings are foreign to him. Yes, Christians do think of God when they are thankful, when they see beauty, when they look at their children, when they are very happy. Yes, religion brings hope to many but he wouldn't know about Hope. Of course being a recent devout Christian those thoughts are not a part of him.
We know what is right for our Nation.
We true Democrats will never elect him, God forbid.

Posted by: Roosevelt1 | April 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Dammit, Chris (you look younger on TV)! That was BITTE (German for PLEASE), put into his speech to appeal to the Pennsylvania Dutch! Rumor has it that Beelzebub-lookalike Carville hacked into Axelrod's computer adding the "r" and changing the word order! David Geffen was right ... and you'd be too had you sold YOUR record company for $70 million!
Will Sarajevo Sally & the Kosovo Kid stop at nothing!?

Posted by: sawargos | April 14, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Good Move on Obama's part to illustrate again how close Clinton is to McCain. More bite for her will come as more of her and Bill's similar comments will emerge in the days to come. Voters know they cannot trust what she says. EVERYONE misspeaks but hardly anyone misremembers being shot at.

Posted by: Linda | April 14, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The media is trying so hard to assist the Clinton campaign in creating a "-gate" out of Obama's comments it's pathetic. Sen. Obama was correct: a lot of Americans in small towns, Pennsylvania particularly, are very embittered toward Washington, which has promised for almost 30 years to assist in returning prosperity to those regions, yet seems hell-bent on spending money for bridges (and tunnels) to nowhere. The politicians have been really good at finding "rust belt" backdrops for photo-ops, then running off to $1,000-a-plate dinners, while privately scoffing at the local yokels. Sen. Obama was merely telling the truth, a truth Hillary chooses to ignore.

Posted by: srp_in_pgh | April 14, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Apparently the media once again needs an issue to keep up the waning interest...was this comment really a fatal flaw? Obama didn't speak as an elitist or demean...if anything he simplified the issue too much. I can't believe the answer is that obvious.

For almost eight years I have been asking myself (and others) why "Joe Sixpack" doesn't vote his own personal interest. When he's working two jobs to make ends meet, why would he vote for the party (or candidate) who has historically offered little or no relief to his harried life? When you are struggling to make ends meet, is it REALLY that important whether gays get "married"? If you're an avid hunter will registering handguns or banning assault rifles and "cop killer" bullets REALLY affect how much food you can put on the table? Does being Pro-Choice or Pro-Life REALLY decide whether Johnny gets to go to college? If Susie needs an expensive operation does it REALLY matter whether the Mayor's gardener can speak English or not? Has the invasion and occupation of Iraq REALLY made your life safer or more fulfilling? Damn right the government hasn't been listen to you and your problems! Damn right you are frustrated and maybe a little bitter.

Taking solace in your faith is only natural...but don't let the Christian right fool you into believing you are powerless to change the system. Your faith may help you through some hard times but stop voting to continue the hard times...start voting to change your world by changing your government! The Republican power base wants to continue with more tax cuts for the rich, more profits for corporations, and reduce opportunity for the people to harness that greed and disdain by taking away your rights. Don't let them distract you this time! Don't get fooled again. Once you are back on your feet and become mildly prosperous you can afford the luxury of trying to remake the world in your vision. This time vote for YOUR life and for YOUR family, not just against some concept that has no REAL consequence to you personally!


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Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana...

Posted by: Racerkoi | April 14, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

This is more of a problem for Clinton then it is Obama. The majority of the country are very bitter. Clinton and the media are the ones out of touch on this one.

The way Clinton is trying to paint Obama as an elitist is really out there , she must have had to many shots of whiskey with her 100 million bucks.

This whole thing is going to help Obama because he speaks for countless Americans.

Hillary knows she can't win this thing , so she is trying to distroy Obama and run for McCain's VP ( they are good buddies ), and after she dissed Gore and Carter in that Faith forum , she is done in the Democratic party.

Posted by: James | April 14, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

So Obama won't lose in NC because of the significant black vote. Is it at least possible that maybe some black voters could be upset? They go to church and hunt.

Let everyone take a deep breath. And relax.

Obama is going to be living in the White House soon.

Posted by: frankinnc | April 14, 2008 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Some have began to see what a phony this guy really is and the turn away from him must be painful. I could never understand how he fooled so many simply by giving a few speeches. He is a great speaker as was Hitler in the 1930's and so many were fooled. Suggestions have been made as to "Mass Hypnosis" which I think is a crock, but the following he has seems and appears to be along the "Cult" line many have commented about.

Posted by: lylepink | April 13, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

mark: the question about when HC went to church last was actually asked tonight and HC told Cambell Brown at the Compassion Forum that just ended an hour ago that the question was irrelevant a perfectly reasonable answer.JAC13 would obviously have preferred a gotcha moment to detract his candidate's collapsing campaign. Jac13 has a habit of mixing apples and oranges and throwing cheap shots into his argument to try and prove a different point. Patreaus' testimony was significant mark and jac13 but had zero to do with an also important discussion tonight about faith and compassion forum. Its called a misdirection argument, a rabbit rail commonly used by defense lawers mark, and apparently jac13 is very skilled at doing that and at the same time slipping in a cheap jab that has nothing to do with the discussion, attack the media and get us to to somehow totally forget Obama's dumb statement. I will be letting all of our undeclared Texas superdelegates and uncommitted congressional delegation next week that Sen Obama's statement will be toxic to our local elections. I am truly sorry that you underestimate how unTexan like and how poorly Sen Obama's statment will be received in Nov by Texas voters. It will be utter disaster.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Mark -

You are correct in the sense that I believe the media are so obsessed with the Obama story nothing else can get their attention.

Thanks for clarifying; I left my computer for a couple of hours to watch "John Adams."

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman -

Another attempt to get me to take the bait.

I will not and cannot answer your question because it presumes that I speak for "all Obama supporters," which I obviously do not. And I can't answer it for myself because I honestly don't know what I would say or do if Hillary had made a similar statement.

As for my post about Hillary's attempt to make common cause with churchgoers and gun enthusiasts, forgive me if I am skeptical of this revelation, coming as it does at age 60, after she has been in public life for 25 years. I do not feel an intense personal animosity towards her, as you and many other HRC supporters seem to feel towards Obama. But I do not trust her, and believe that she is all about winning. That is MY opinion. If she is the nominee I will vote for her to help prevent McCain from getting the reins of power and, among other things, continuing Bush's immoral war indefinitely and appointing more right-wingers to the Supreme Court. But I will not do it with any enthusiasm.

Posted by: jac3 | April 13, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Lets see what will happen in Novwmber:

1. Obama wins the nomination. Hillary sulks. McCain uses Hillary's comments to sink a weakened Obama. Dems barely retain Congress, but McCain wins Presidency. The powers to be blame Obama and both Clintons for the defeat. Clintons are finished as a power in the Democratic party. Jimmy Carter has more support than either Bill or Hillary.

2. Hillary wins the Democratic nomination. Republicans unite behind McCain. African American Democratic vote is surpressed; McCain gets 20% of the African American vote; Hillary gets 75% of a low turnout African American vote; 5% goes to any number of third parties. Anti-Hillary votes goes to McCain or stays home. Hillary loses in a mini landslide as Ohio, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin go Republican. Dems keep the Senate but lose a couple of House seats. The powers to be blame Hillary and Bill for the defeat while Obama announces from a vacation in the Virgin Islands that he and Michelle are Democrats and will do the right thing on election day. Both Clintons are finished.

3. McCain wins the nomination. A united Republican Party eliminates a weakened Obama or crushes a friendless Hillary. GOP limits losses in the Senate and gains a couple of seats in the House. McCain's age and health become a major issue 18 months into his term and his VP becomes the Party's standard bearer in 2012.

4. Both Hillary and Obama try for the Dems 2012 nomination with Hillary withdrawing before the first vote is cast due to lack of funds and limited support. Obama never files for the nomination and stays in the senate. Hillary is defeated in the 2012 NY Democratic Party Senate primary and leaves politics.

Posted by: svbreeder | April 13, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Lets see what will happen in Novwmber:

1. Obama wins the nomination. Hillary sulks. McCain uses Hillary's comments to sink a weakened Obama. Dems barely retain Congress, but McCain wins Presidency. The powers to be blame Obama and both Clintons for the defeat. Clintons are finished as a power in the Democratic party. Jimmy Carter has more support than either Bill or Hillary.

2. Hillary wins the Democratic nomination. Republicans unite behind McCain. African American Democratic vote is surpressed; McCain gets 20% of the African American vote; Hillary gets 75% of a low turnout African American vote; 5% goes to any number of third parties. Anti-Hillary votes goes to McCain or stays home. Hillary loses in a mini landslide as Ohio, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin go Republican. Dems keep the Senate but lose a couple of House seats. The powers to be blame Hillary and Bill for the defeat while Obama announces from a vacation in the Virgin Islands that he and Michelle are Democrats and will do the right thing on election day. Both Clintons are finished.

3. McCain wins the nomination. A united Republican Party eliminates a weakened Obama or crushes a friendless Hillary. GOP limits losses in the Senate and gains a couple of seats in the House. McCain's age and health become a major issue 18 months into his term and his VP becomes the Party's standard bearer in 2012.

4. Both Hillary and Obama try for the Dems 2012 nomination with Hillary withdrawing before the first vote is cast due to lack of funds and limited support. Obama never files for the nomination and stays in the senate. Hillary is defeated in the 2012 NY Democratic Party Senate primary and leaves politics.

Posted by: svbreeder | April 13, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Con: By his own lips, Senator Obama has rendered himself totally unelectable. Unfortunately, even if the SDs realize this they can't push HRC (who does have a chance to beat Senator McCain) over the top because it would rip the party apart.

http://strictlyanecdotal.com/2008/04/13/distracting-your-audience-is-a-time-honored-piece-of-political-sleight-of-hand-.aspx

Posted by: LCSusan | April 13, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

jac13 posted:

"Last week it was revealed that Petraeus has no plan to wrap things up in Iraq, and that high-level officials sat around the WH and discussed which detainees would be tortured."

He then recited an inconsequential story about HRC. He then recited the current to-do about BHO.

He then concluded by saying "What is wrong with this picture?"

I think jac13's point was that the war and the torture stories were more substantive than both the political vignettes. If I am correct, leichtman, who is also disturbed by the torture story, misunderstood jac13's intent.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and McCain spun this whole thing out of thin air, and the media followed suite and proliferated it to sell papers.

What Obama said was that people VOTE for candidates based on their positions on gun control and religion because they have given up on voting for candidates who promise to bring jobs. He did not say "people are bitter because they lost their jobs and so they buy guns and turn to god" I can't believe the media is so misleading.


Hillary and McCain completly distorted this statement to make it sound like Obama said something he didn't I guess a lie told often enough really does become a reality.

Oh, and there is no youtube video because if people saw what Obama actually said, they would agree with him and know that Hillary and McCain are grasping for straws here.

Posted by: Bo | April 13, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

jac13 seeing how your side has jumped down HC's throat no matter what comes out of her mouth her response was absolutely legitimate. If she said she went to church on Sun March whatever and it was actually the following sunday or the previous sunday your side would immediately scream liar. You know that your side knows that and yet you think she is stupid enough to answer that canard. When I asked you this morning if you would be defending HC today had she gone to SF and made Sen Obama's exact statement your disengous answer was: that is ridiculous, that is hypothetical why should we be honest enough and just say h*** no. You responded that way b/c you absolutely know that if the tables were turned you would be calling for her to immediately leave the race. I once again challenge you to deny that b/c you know that you cannot. And then you have the audacity, the chutzpah to attack HC when she doesn't want to fall for your trap and immediately be yelled at by you and your side with a response. Go ahead Obama supporters attack her religious commitment question exactly what sunday she went to church. Sometimes we can only conclude that your side is just plain cynical and are full of hate for the Clintons. I certainly do not fel that way about Sen Obama. If she were to say its day, you want to immediately jump up and scream no its not, liar. And why should she allow you to do so? Your post sir was absolutely petty and scurilous nonsense, period to even raise that. Any thought of being reasonable from you just vanished.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

From the NRO. (What a sad day, when a staunch democrat like me agrees with a republican paper with anything it has to say about Obama.) I think they hit the nail on the head with this one:

Here is what Sen. Obama said:

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


Here is what Sen. Obama now says he said:


"So I said, 'Well, you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on,' " he continued. "So people they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country or they get frustrated about, you know, how things are changing. That's a natural response."


1. Note how version #1's "cling" becomes version #2's "vote about" and "take comfort from"--as the condescending dismissal becomes empathetic understanding.


2. Note how version #1's "religion" and "antipathy to people who aren't like them" becomes version #2's "faith" and "their family and community" --as fundamentalist xenophobes now become beleaguered folks who band together against the unfairness.


3 Note how version #1's "anti-immigrant" becomes version #2's "mad about illegal immigrants" --as the nativist who opposes all immigrants, legal and illegal, now becomes understandably angry only about those coming here illegally.

4. Note how version #1's "as a way to explain their frustrations" becomes version #2's "they get frustrated about" as the misguided scape-goaters become those who react understandably to adversity.


5. Note no explanation in version #2 for version #1's "anti-trade sentiment"--and no wonder since Obama himself is embarrassed that so far he's voiced far more "anti-trade sentiment" than those he caricatured.


6. Note how version #1's "And it's not surprising then they get bitter" becomes version #2's "your'e" and "you" and "Thats a natural response", as the condescending use of the embittered and distant "they" now morphs into a kindred "you" and the quip "not surprising" becomes the sympathetic "natural."


7. Note how version #1's idiotic logic that Middle-America has only become religious or pro-gun in the last 25 years as a result of job loss is simply omitted.

8. Note how there is sudddenly no "context" for the landscape of version #1: an elite Bay-area audience that is told stories about those Pennsylvanian gun-toting zealots.

With Obama, the clarifications (cf. the Wright and Michelle contextualizations) are always more interestig than the original lapse.

Posted by: JJ | April 13, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm fascinated by the Obama supporters who always justify his missteps as Obama speaking the truth. What he said isn't true and once again shows a comtempt for America that both he and his wife have made clear they have. The truth can be found in Obama finally showing in his own words what his arrogant self thinks of most americans. This guy is not patriotic and doesn't deserve our presidency. I'm a democrat and I approve this message.

Posted by: KP | April 13, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

It must be desperate time for Hillary Clinton. How is saying a group of people are bitter because their government has allowed the jobs in their state to disappear due free trade and other economic failures is a problem for Barack Obama? Hillary Clinton has been feeding the American people lies after lies for months about sniper fire, pregnant women without health care, book bags thrown against the wall and additional lies explaining the original lies. Why is the media jumping on this story about whether or not some people in a small town in Pennsylvania are bitter?

Last week Former Army Staff Sergeant David Bellavia made a racial remark against Barack Obama and there was hardly any media coverage over that racial remark. The remark was: "Rest assured," he told the crowd, "that men like Senator McCain will be the goal and the men that my two young boys will emulate and admire. You can have your Tiger Woods, we've got Senator McCain." Mr. Bellavia implied you can have your mixed race candidate we have our all white McCain. Senitor McCain was right behind Bellavia when he made the statement and never denounced or rejected the comments. Would it be OK for Hillary's people to say you can have your George Burns we have Hillary Clinton or Can Barack's people get away with saying you can have your typical white woman we have Barack Obama.

It was news when Hillary was called a monster, it was news when McCain was called a war monger, it was news when Geraldine Ferraro said Obama is lucky he is a black man. Aparently, when it comes to interacial remarks everything is fair game. As a father of interacial children I was offended by Mr. Bellavia's statement and I am disapointed in the media for ignoring the comment.

Posted by: Eric In Calli | April 13, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama gabfest in San Fran included going after the Clinton Administration and lumping it together with the Bush Administration. Why shouldn't Hillary be allowed to defend herself? Is Obama a good democrat going after another democrat administration? If the Clinton administration was the same as Bush, that means democrats are no different than republican. Obama gets away with insult and the media calls him truthful. It was not the bitter comment, it was the cling. It was the "antipathy" towards those who are different or immigrants.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama gabfest in San Fran included going after the Clinton Administration and lumping it together with the Bush Administration. Why shouldn't Hillary be allowed to defend herself? Is Obama a good democrat going after another democrat administration? If the Clinton administration was the same as Bush, that means democrats are no different than republican. Obama gets away with insult and the media calls him truthful. It was not the bitter comment, it was the cling. It was the "antipathy" towards those who are different or immigrants.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama gabfest in San Fran included going after the Clinton Administration and lumping it together with the Bush Administration. Why shouldn't Hillary be allowed to defend herself? Is Obama a good democrat going after another democrat administration? If the Clinton administration was the same as Bush, that means democrats are no different than republican. Obama gets away with insult and the media calls him truthful. It was not the bitter comment, it was the cling. It was the "antipathy" towards those who are different or immigrants.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Last week it was revealed that Petraeus has no plan to wrap things up in Iraq, and that high-level officials sat around the WH and discussed which detainees would be tortured.

HRC was talking a day or so ago about how she is a church-going gun-toter. Today she was asked when the last time was that she went to church or fired a gun. Her response: "That's irrelevant."

Meanwhile Cilizza, Blitzer, Russert, Stephanopolos, Matthews, Hume, Kristol, Dobbs, et al. are up Obama's a** with a microscope to figure out whether or not he's an "elitist."

What is wrong with this picture?

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't see Barack Obama as elitist. His words were unfortunate, but I think he was talking about listening to people who haven't been listened to. I am personally bitter about Bill and Hillary signing off on welfare deform. It was way too draconian. They betrayed the people most in need of help and betrayed Democratic principles. We have 3.5 million homeless, including 1 million children. How many of these are people who exceeded the limit of 5 years maximum for Aid to Families with Dependant Children? The Clintons betrayed poor people. And they call Obama "out of touch"! Yeah, I'm bitter.

Posted by: Michael | April 13, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't see Barack Obama as elitist. His words were unfortunate, but I think he was talking about listening to people who haven't been listened to. I am personally bitter about Bill and Hillary signing off on welfare deform. It was way too draconian. They betrayed the people most in need of help and betrayed Democratic principles. We have 3.5 million homeless, including 1 million children. How many of these are people who exceeded the limit of 5 years maximum for Aid to Families with Dependant Children? The Clintons betrayed poor people. And they call Obama "out of touch"! Yeah, I'm bitter.

Posted by: Michael | April 13, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Better that he should have psychoanalyzed liberal voters in San Francisco before a voting audience in Pennsylvania than vice versa. The Democratic nominee would have to be caught robbing a bank to lose California. Pennsylvania, a critical blue state with 21 electoral votes, is only slightly blue and easily could go red. Diagnosing small town voters there as people who cling to religion and guns because of some overarching socio-economic pathology that causes such weirdness was beyond offensive. It was dumb.

Posted by: Greg | April 13, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Cut and Paste from KOS: Bitter and Angry in Rural Pennsylvania: Obama's Reality vs. Hillary's Fantasy by astral66 [Subscribe] Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:47:47 PM PDT Maybe there aren't many Bubbas driving around in pickup trucks with the classic bumper sticker "God, Guns and Guts Made America Free" where Obama's detractors live, but here in rural Pennsylvania that line may as well replace "e pluribus unum" as the motto on the national currency. astral66's diary :: :: I live in western Pennsylvania, and I can tell you, people here are bitter and angry. Poverty is prevalent. People hunt squirrels and eat them, along with racoon stew. People also hunt deer here, not for sport, but so they can put meat in their freezer so they can feed their families. They cut wood in the forests and heat their homes with wood stoves because they can't afford to pay the gas bill. I know a guy who goes to old landfills to dig up old milk and beer bottles to sell on eBay. He uses the proceeds to buy clothes for his family at the Salvation Army (and to pay for his dial-up connection). Racism and prejudice are ever-present here. A friend of mine is part-owner of bar in a small rural town south of where I live. I meet up with him there occasionally and watch as down-and-out people come in with their disability and welfare check money and drink it away. It's a pretty depressing place, but it does serve as the social center for a town that has seen its few industries shut down and the local people's jobs eliminated or shipped off elsewhere. I hear the usual rants there, that it's all the fault of gays and minorities and immigrants (although those aren't the terms used, but rather the usual, virulent slurs). A black man walked in the last time I was there, and a guy near me at the bar muttered in a not-so-quiet way, "What's he think he's doing in here?" When I brought up the presidential race and Obama with another man at the bar, his response was, "there ain't no way America is ever going to vote for a black guy." Later on my bar-owner friend told me about his experience talking about Obama with another woman at the bar, and her angry response was that "it's because of half-breed n*****s like him that America is in such bad shape today." Prejudice, racism and fear do run rampant in areas like this. People are poor. They are in bad health, overweight from a deep-fried diet, and toothless from the lack of dental care. They are unemployed. They are uneducated. They do cling to their hunting rifles and to their religious beliefs. For many, it is about all that they have. The towns around here are full of decaying, boarded up buildings. People live in rundown old trailers with abandoned cars in the front yard. I have seen people using an old car as a stable, with their goat tied to and living in it. I could drive you by a least three old houses that have Conderate flags in the windows. So go ahead and discount Obama's talk of how bitter and angry that some of the people of rural Pennsylvania are. Call him elitist for taking the time to pass through areas such as this to listen to what the people have to say, and to then relate what he has heard to people in more prosperous parts of the country when he is asked about it. I have lived in San Francisco, and let me tell you, there is a marked difference between the general attitude there and the attitude here in the "rust belt". Go ahead and dismiss everything that Obama said as political posturing. Let Hillary and McCain "pick him apart" and parse his words. But please keep in mind that when Obama said: "it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." that he is 100% accurate in his assessment. I know, because I live here, my family and my friends' families have lived here for generations, and we see it every day, all around this region. There is a very fine line between poverty and prosperity here, where making above $20,000 a year puts you in the realm of the "haves", but also knowing that you're one contract termination away from joining the ranks of the "have-nots". I come from a family of dairy farmers. I know what it's like to spend up to 12-16 hours a day sitting on a tractor for three dollars an hour, which I did through high school and every summer until I was fortunate enough to head off to college. Many of my friends were also fortunate and went to school, and then relocated to other parts of the country. Some of us were able to come back under better circumstances, but the large majority of people here are not as fortunate. Thirty years worth of the right wing dismantling our public education system has taken its toll. Thirty years worth of mismanagement of the economy, of shutting down factories and shipping jobs out of the country, of subsidizing corporate farms and taxing family farms out of business, has taken its toll. Yes, people are angry, and bitter, but Obama never said that they aren't resilient, opitmistic or hard-working. Those are Hillary and McCain's twisted words, and for them to stand up and suggest that rural Pennsylvanians aren't fed up with the way things are, only reveals how out of touch they really are with at least this part of the country. Of course, all McCain has to do is suggest to poor rural folk that the party of gun-control, gay marriage, and NAFTA is going to take away what little they have left, and rural conservatives will vote for him, just as they did for Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. As for Hillary, the more she "takes apart" Obama's message, the more she does the GOP's work for free. If Hillary can't see that the people of rural Pennsylvania are bitter, and angry, and mad as hell about the way things are, then she needs to step down from that one hundred million dollar platform of hers and take a real look around. In western Pennsylvania I hear two things: the "God, Guns and Guts" crowd see John McCain as the heir-apparent to the mantle of rural conservative values; and the people who hope for some kind of change see Barack Obama as the person who understands the situation that we are in, and maybe is the one who can lead us in a new direction. What I don't hear is anyone talking about whatever and whomever it is that Hillary claims to stand for. In the end, I think this is all a "lost in translation" much ado about nothing episode. Going back to Obama's statement, and keeping in mind that he was speaking to a specific group of supporters in San Francsico, and keeping in mind that he was discussing a variety of "talking points" in the previous paragraph, I think that it is the absence of the word "issue" in this particular portion of his response to one of the attendee's questions that is lost in translation from the actual event to the transcript spun in the media. So let's break it down: "'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points. Obama is offering: - closing tax loopholes - roll back taxes for the top 1 percent - tax breaks to the middle class - health care for every American But: "But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them." "So it's not surprising then that they get bitter" and "As a way to explain their frustrations...they cling to" issues that focus on: - guns - religion - antipathy to people who aren't like them - anti-immigrant sentiment - anti-trade sentiment It's the usual laundry list of GOP hot-button talking points. What Obama was doing was contrasting his talking points, with the tradtional GOP talking points that he has to contend with if he is going to break through and reach these tradtional blue-collar voters. I can't imagine that anyone who was in the room with Obama misunderstood this. It's only when the transcript is removed from the context in which the information was delivered that the MSM begins to spin it into something that it's not.

Posted by: Sandra from TN | April 13, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"I don't like being called a racist redneck by no Black, Muslim, Liberal, Foreigner, OK?"

I can't tell if this is an Obama supporter pretending to be a redneck, or a McCain supporter mocking the the Obama supporters for buying into a caricature.

In any case, Obama's problem is that he appears to have been outed as someone who buys into this stereotype.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

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I don't like being called a racist redneck by no Black, Muslim, Liberal, Foreigner, OK?

I Thank the Blessed Lord everyday that God on High Almighty has given me my gun, which I cling to since the economy is Crap.

I may be bitter, but at least I aint no immigrant, black, heathen, Liberal, non-gun-toting, San francisco Hippie!

McCain 08
Sounds Great
Don't Be Late
Vote fer Hate
McCain 08

woo!

Posted by: Henry, Jr. | April 13, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

One of the most amazing things about this situation is the number of Obama supporters saying "What's wrong with what he said? It's true!!!".

It seems there are 2 possible explanations.

1) They think the controversy is over the use of the word 'bitter'. Not even close. Granted, bitter isn't the best word to use to describe people whose votes you are seeking, but if that was all Obam said, this would be a non-issue. The controversy is that he sai they cling to religion, guns, and bigotry as a result of their bitterness over their economic plight. I have not seen one person argue that he was not saying that.

2) Some of his defenders are aware of point 1, but still claim he spoke the truth. This is rather bizarre. Do they really think this is why people care about guns and religion? And why link those two issues with bigotry?

If Obama wants to run on "religion is the opiate of the masses", by all means let him. I have yet to see an explanation of how his remarks are not, in substance, equivalent to that quote by Karl Marx.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

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I love how McCain is sooo white.

We've had a lot of White Male Presidents, all of them, really, but How Many were THIS White?

The guy glows in the dark. He's like a Vision, A Blessed, Seething Angel, with that Precious White Skin, That soft, Santa-Like White Hair, and those golden teeth.

I'm white, too, so, I'll be voting for the Whitest guy in the world. he's Republican and white, and so am I.

It's an exciting time to be alive!

McCain 08, White GOPower!!
heil Reagan!!!
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Posted by: WhiteManIac | April 13, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Hi,
I am from a small town in Pennsylvania right in the middle of the state. I am also a college student. Let me first say, that I didn't mind so much being called bitter. BUT what he said after that was truly insulting. Saying that we "cling to guns and religion" or that we don't like "people that aren't like us" is insulting. He essentially called me a racist redneck. I am sorry but I am not a racist redneck. This speech of his is so hypocritical as well. It goes against his "hope" beliefs, his "Just Words" speech that said words and speeches are very important, and his "Race" speech where he said we shouldn't stereotype people. Well he just threw that all out the window, especially when he stereotyped me as a racist redneck. Instead of insulting me, just tell me what you are going to do to fix this country.

Posted by: Henry | April 13, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

That Obama sure did it THIS time!

McCain is a war hero, fought in Vietnam, bombed people who were a direct threat to our way of life, and got tortured for defending his country.

Obama was in a Madrassa the whole time!!! In Afghanistan...HELLO!

I can't believe small towns all over the country are voting for this guy... He don't like guns, he's BLACK (HELLO?), he's MUSLIM, he's ELSITIST (think's he's SOOOOOO smart), and he is BLACK!

That's why we love John McCain:

HE'S A WHITE GUY. A WAR HERO. A PATRIOT.

He's gonna rip Obama HUSSEIN a new one in the general election. We're gonna vote like there's no tomorrow to keep our white savior tax hater in there.

He's gonna finish the job George W. started. We're gonna find the WMD, we're gonna find out what comes after Trillion (maybe zillions?) in Iraq, and then we're gonna start looking for Osama BinLaden, and then, when everybody's homeless, we're gonna put em all in Jail, at least the ones who don't die of starvation.

WOOHOO!! Vote for more Hate ... McCain '08

Posted by: McCainLover | April 13, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Religion has nothing to do with faith, family, and everything you were brought up to believe by the people you care about the most.

It just means you're a bitter guy trying to feel better about yourself.

Oh, and guns mean the same thing. the fact that your father took you hunting and it may be one of the most memorable times of your life doesn't mean anything.

You are just trying to feel better than the unworthy proll that you are.

This guy is a really bad joke and I would be concerned if I wasn't so sure he is going to get pounded in November.

Posted by: IUT | April 13, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's the "elitist" himself, speaking on the issue of rural America:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6oGF3cyHE7M

Man, how out of touch...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

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It doesn't matter WHAT the controversy is.

If there were a tape of Obama speaking at a "San Francisco Fundraiser" the damage would be done. Just keep replaying a segment, with a bunch of Frisco Liberals clapping, and act like it's shocking.

Most people do not think for themselves. They get angry, scared, proud, when they are told to. OK, Small Town America, get angry ... NOW. Ready, GO!

Obama was at a San Francisco fundraiser and said "small towns in PA". OH, the nerve of this elitist, out of touch, muslim, racist.

We'll see how the Fox nation obeys. It may be able to see through these invented controversies, but they are certainly targeted at the basest fears and prejudices.

But, Have Faith in your fellow man. Many in small towns are not buying this BS. They don't want another "small town sympathizer" who ships more jobs overseas and gives the companies incentives and tax breaks to do it, while waving the flag, yapping about 'small town values'.

People, even us dumb small town ones, are getting hip to this move. It's been going on since Saint Reagan was screwing us and deregulating the financial markets, which we are finally paying for now.

We're not as stupid as we look.

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Posted by: CaptainUSA | April 13, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

One more out-of-touch elitist for you:

"The politics of the Karl Rove era were designed to distract and divide the very people who would ordinarily be rebelling against the deterioration of their way of life. Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet."

- Sen Jim Webb, 15 November 2006
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009246

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

There is video .....

The bitter, gods and guns part of his statement were just very very poorly stated ...but this part is what to me shows who he really is: "or antipathy to people who aren't like them"

He's telling the SF donors that he can not seem to get the small town PA/USA blue collar/lunch bucket vote because they are mostly white, he is black, and that makes them racists and bigots. And the SF ultra liberal donor audience just laughed.....

I live in small town USA and I too am frustrated that things are as they are.... but just because I do not support Obama does not make me a racist or bigot.
I take great offense at what Obama said,.

It was condescending and arrogant to insinuate, behind closed doors, that small town anywhere does not support him because they are bigots and racists.

It was also, IMO, appalling that the SF donors thought that was funny.

Posted by: DECOL | April 13, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to learn you are so bitter over the politics behind your personal finances. However, in this "bitter" state to you really deal with it by

a.) grabing a gun? and why? what do you do with it? rob gas stations, fast food joints, car jackings to make up your lost income? Hunting season is long over so you aren't using your gun to put food on the table.

b.) going to church? Do you only go to church when you feel bitter? Do you vent and cry out "God damn America" like they do at the O-man's church?

c.) seeking out immigrants to hassel? Do you hate Mexicans, Indians, or anyone else based upon their ethinic origins? What's your favorite way to dump on an immigrant?

d.) standing at a street corner screaming how trade-deals increase exports to our closest neighbors and allies by more than 33%? Or is that that you only want our goods and services to be sold locally and won't accept Euros?

Is this REALLY your view of "typical" small towns in the USA?

Posted by: dabster | April 13, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

As the rumination continues over Barack Obama's comments about economically-depressed small town voters, statements made by Bill Clinton on the same topic -- uttered while he was running for president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.
"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991.
A couple months later, Joe Klein, writing for the Sunday Times, reported that Clinton made the following remarks:
"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/bill-clinton-flashback-al_n_96433.html

Posted by: Lyn | April 13, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Clinton '08

Posted by: Steve | April 13, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have thought it possible a few months ago. It's all over now but the crying. President McCain. Get used to that phrase.

Obama has no chance in a general election. And that's even assuming he, his wife or his pastor don't make any more insulting, inflammatory, anti-American comments. Hillary had high negatives to begin with, but she is now damaged goods, and half the Democratic Party hates her. If the super delegates give her the nomination over the will of the voters, she's similarly toast.

There is justice after all.

Posted by: AJ0909 | April 13, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Please, dear Lord ... PLEASE let Barack Obama win the Democratic nomination! John McCain and the GOP will make mincemeat out of him in the Fall.

Posted by: Dan R. | April 13, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear Insider Set, cable crowd, blog trollers, please read this. It is important that you listen to someone outside your cozy beltway or your webcam (depending on your neurosis).

Your constant chatter and obsession about Obama's "major mistake" is so absurd to everyone that doesn't spend their time wasting away on a TV set or behind a blog. People DO NOT CARE about these trite matters or what you say about Obama or Clinton or McCain. You are so obsessed with every dimple and nuance or everything anyone says you totally lose touch with the ONLY THING people care about: their lives.

There are very few people (George Will) who care as much as you about this constant drumming of political nonsense. It feels like high school for us out here - pathetic gossipers.

Take a look at yourself, folks. Go out and enjoy a sunny day or a game at the ballpark. Stop your obsession with all things you and nestle up with the real people.

We do not care what you think about Reverend Wright, Obama's gaffe, Bill Clinton, McCain's maybe affair. Whatever.

Get a life!

Posted by: mr. nice guy | April 13, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

K from Tennessee loved your post. You apparently understood exactly what Sen Obama meant.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

From the very beginning I have said there was something bad wrong with this guy, Obama, and The Media has been so reluctant to report anything bad about him. The surprising thing about this latest flap was The Huffington Post [A strong supporter} broke it after sitting on it for almost a week. This is going to be VERY interesting as to how it plays in the next few primaries. I still maintain he has ZERO chance of winning the GE, and wish the Dems wake up before it is to late.

Posted by: lylepink | April 13, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time for the Obama supporters to just give up on these Clintonistas. They've lost the election and are still grasping at more straws for hopes that somehow, the superdelegates will ignore election results and hand the election to Clinton because a pastor, one donor, and this quote overrides a near 50% disapproval rating, a decade of scandals, numerous corrupt donors who are currently in prison or standing trial (Hsu, Peter Paul, etc), lies about her record on multiple occasions that can clearly be shown on tape, and the never ending Bill-Hillary drama that everyone knows would carry on into the White House should they be elected. It ain't happening, so stop taking these folks seriously, doing so only gives them the false hopes that the Clinton candidacy is still viable.

Posted by: Michael | April 13, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

people keep saying that he is right about saying people are bitter. That may be, but that is not why he is trouble. He is in trouble for saying that because people are bitter and have no trust in government, they cling to thier religion. Its basically pandering to those who view religion as a backwards practice and have not yet seen the light that the intellectual wing among liberals have. (that god is a joke and worse, a right wing conspiracy to get votes dating back thousands of years.)

Obama pandered. Every politician does it. But he is in trouble cuz he claimed he was above such practice. see eliot spitzer.

Posted by: john | April 13, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

YOUR PLUSES COUNT ON THE MSM BEING IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA THE SAME WAY THEY SWEEP THE WRIGHT RANTINGS UDER THE CARPET. YOU POLITICAL HACKS WHO CALL YOURSELF JOUNALISTS ASSUME THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE YAHOO'S. IT'S NO WONDER YOU AND OBAMA ARE SO TIGHT.

Posted by: WPI | April 13, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I believe the comment by the Senator is a non-issue. Lets move on and talk about real policy issues - like healthcare, the environment and how much debt my children are going to be in with the Chinese. Real issues, not banter, is what we need to focus on. This is silly stuff.

Posted by: Raffi Hamparian | April 13, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are unbelievable. They actually believe the "bitter" comments made by their man are on target, that he is courageous for telling the truth. Wow!! Obama believes that much of middle America is "bitter" and as a result, they cling to guns and religion. But that's not all. He went on to say that "bitter" unemployed small town folks become bigots as a result of their plight. And where did the courageous Obama deliver these words of truth? At a PRIVATE fund raiser in San Fransisco!!! The man is a creep!

Posted by: Landers | April 13, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

So let's tally the scoreboard so far:

Blacks are voting for Obama because they are bitter over race relations in America
Older White, middle-class, college educated women are voting for Hillary because they are bitter about the stagnation of women's rights in America
Older White Males are voting for McCain because they are bitter about the unpatriotic viewpoints expressed by liberals
Hispanics may be voting for Obama because they are bitter about the increasingly anti-immigrant stance of most Americans
So we're all bitter. Some of us turn to guns to soften the bitterness; some of us turn to booze; some to drugs; some to religion. But it all boils down to this: bitter united than divided.

Posted by: Tess | April 13, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

This is a bull-sh&t beltway "scandal". Clinton, McCain, and the Fix are showing how out of touch they are by pushing it.

People are bitter because our lifestyles, homes, and communities are under attack.

Some have turned to marriage and immigration laws to protect ourselves and what's left of our dignity.

But immigrants and gays aren't the problem -- it's Clinton's and Bush's economic policies that are killing us.

People who get to boss others around get richer. They get to buy Lexuses and fancy groceries. They get to leave work early to be with their friends and families. They get healthcare whereever and whenever they want it. But people who have to actually do stuff -- nurses, teachers, cops, secretaries, clerks, most women -- we get poorer and have to work longer, and we have to do it with less flexibility. Everything we do is watched. Jobs are shipped overseas so that management has to worry less about giving back to the people who give them everything, or with even treating us like people. Meanwhile, the government dumps billions of dollars in Iraq.

You bet your elite Washington, out of touch behinds, we're bitter. So please stop pushing scandals that don't exist and instead start giving more than a little bit back to the people who look after you.

Now more than ever I'm voting for Obama on April 22. You should too.

Posted by: Amy, Scranton PA | April 13, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The fact that it was all over the Sunday morning shows is problematic for Obama. While I don't think these comments are especially bad in and of themselves, I think that coupled with his previous comments and actions with Wright, Rezko, typical white people, etc., they kind of dent the uniter and and working across the aisle message that is the crux of the Obama campaign. We'll will have to see if the snowball effect of them exists or not. I think the Obama campaign is in a serious state of struggle and busy throwing lifelines to Clinton and McCain when they should be clear sailing for the finish line.

Posted by: Dave! | April 13, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The words of another lefty elitist on the subject:

"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death,"

- William Jefferson Clinton, quoted in the Los Angeles Times, September 1991.

"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"
- William Jefferson Clinton, quoted by Joe Klein in the Sunday Times, 1991.

Wow, those kind of remarks sure did make the guy unelectable...........

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Jim Hoffa uses words "despair" and "beaten down" to describe blue-collar voters and references "workers' anger"; he must be a latte sipping elitist.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/10/labor.obama/index.html

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

There are few things more silly and stupid in political punditry that throwing the suffix "-gate" onto some relatively minor event. Let's put some unprepared comment about voter's motivations into a comparitive category as watergate -- a political scandal that involved serious crimes organized by a former President. Doing this sheds absolutely no illumination on Obama's comments and their truth or non-truth. It's just lazy headline writing.

Sigh....

Posted by: Bill R | April 13, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Some of these posts from Obama fans are pretty funny, not to mention, they don't provide a very good defence of Obama's comments. Two of my favorites are the one where the poster says she's lived all over the place in both big cities and small towns across America, and people are bitter, and Obama was just saying how people feel. Sounds like another well-traveled urbanite commenting on the cultural dynamics of small towns like an outsider would when they move in without knowing anything about the place. And my personal fav was the guy talking about how right on and truthful Barack's comments were about the way "they" (small town people) feel - then he signs his post as Whoever "from NYC". Love it.

The reason Obama's comments are lame is because he talks about small town people like they are some kind of subjects in a sociological study, not the people of his country that he wants to lead, people whose votes he needs. The fact is that the new leadership in the Dem Party for the last decade has been chomping at the bit to figure out a way to win the national election without having to factor in the support of working class rural people. It would just be so much easier if they could sail to victory by courting liberal whites and urban minorities - but alas, it just does not work. George W is perfect example of that. Even though the liberals hate him, they have to admit, Bill Clinton managed to win because he was willing to move toward the center - which appealed to rural voters. The liberals disgust over the Clintons can only be explained as elitism. I've got news for all these liberals, you might not like us blue collar people, but if you think you can win an election without valuing us and our votes, you've got another thing coming.

Hillary does value us, because we are her life-line in this election. And you latte drinkers are about to see how important our vote is. And I'm sure you'll wring your hands and shake you heads, and go "How could Obama have lost?" just like you did in 2004.

Well, its OK, because Hillary has stuck it out, and she'll prevail. And you'll attack her when she's Pres for not being latte liberal enough, just like you did with Bill. But at least a Dem will be in the White House again. It's OK, don't worry, we'll save you from yourselves.

- K from Tennessee

Posted by: K | April 13, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

So he spoke the truth? Seems he was a bit selective. That is, he didn't finish the thought process because that would have been a little honesty HE couldn't handle.

What's the obvious implication here? Who/what are these rednecks to turn to rather than guns, religion, etc.? Clearly, Obama thinks the right answer is GOVERNMENT. He will never say that because he'll be through. His honesty only applies to OTHER people.

Saying what he actually believes would be true courage, but like every other Democrat he is unable to do so when a presidential election is near.

Posted by: Chad | April 13, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm not convinced that a lot of people in Pennsylvania and other parts of the Rust Belt wouldn't describe themselves as bitter. This doesn't mean that they've given up hope, but I've heard people describe themselves with this term before, which makes it not much of a gaffe.

What I found more disturbing about Obama's remarks was the "they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment" remark. Ouch.

So this implies that a) guns and small-town hicks go hand-in-hand, b) religion is a reactionary stance to being economically downtrodden, c) small-town people are anti-immigrant racists, and d) being anti-trade is also typical of small-town hicks.

Further, this implies about Obama that his religious convictions don't run that deep, that he will not be tough on immigration, and that he is not nearly so anti-trade as he poses to be on the campaign trail.

"Bitter" isn't all that damning, but this bit in the rest of the quote is. "Bitter" is the easier one-word jab, though, and so obviously Clinton is going after the easy attack rather than the more meaningful, legitimate one that takes a sentence or two to explain. Sound-byte politics at its best.

Posted by: blert | April 13, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

proudtobegop:

yes we all know that McCain is a war hero who suffered through years of torture while a POW. But it is he who will struggle to disassociate himself from his support of Bush foreign and economic policies that have brought us into recession; a recession whose impact has only just begun to hit home...by November we should be in full swing and you can bet that the Dems will do a good job connecting the dots between the billion spent on Iraq and the recession.

No, sad to say, I do not think torture will be an issue at all in the coming election.

My post was more directed at your feigned self-righteous indignation regarding Obama's recent comments. I was merely questioning whether Psalm 23 also entered your consciousness when considering the torture of prisoners. Btw, bill clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury about having a consensual affair. He was impeached for "lying"....do you feel GWB should be impeached for "lying" about whether or not we torture folks?

Posted by: thorn | April 13, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Enough already. Obama is right. We all know he is. End of story.

Posted by: Brendan | April 13, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

The NObama supporting slime on this forum think Clinton is worth $100M so he can't call Obama elitist.

As usual, Nobama gropies are clueless.

Being elitist has nothing to do with how much money you have. It is to do with everything such as whether you think regular folks can think for themselves, whether people can figure out what is good for themselves, whether widely held values and practices automatically imply that those people are inferior in some way.

The fact is, most drones posting on these forums have no real world jobs, are just losers and keep posting here day and night, 7 days a week. WHat these drones think does not matter. Come Nov, Nobama is toast, as most of the regular people will agree that he is not one of them.

Posted by: intcamd | April 13, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I LIKE MY CANDIDATES HOW I LIKE MY COFFEE - BLACK AND BITTER.

OBAMA '08 OBAMA '08 OBAMA'08! ALL YOU HILLARY TOADS CAN GO TO HELL!!!

Posted by: MISTER CAPS | April 13, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Langx:

A few points of contention.

"Ed Rendell the Governor of PA called the middle of his state Alabama."

The original statement was from James Carville, former campaign manager for Bill Clinton. (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Carville)
If Rendell said it (please provide the reference), he was quoting Carville.

"He stated PA was not ready to elect a black man president."

He said that there are people in PA that would never vote for a black man. (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08045/857368-85.stm) Just like every other state, PA has a population of white racists.

"Where was the outrage from PA being called racist by there own governor."

Rendell has enjoyed significant support from African-Americans in PA, deriving from his relatively successful tenure as mayor of Philadelphia (which is almost 50% black). Actually, he's probably governor because of it.

Posted by: mnteng | April 13, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I couldn't get past:

"San Francisco is widely seen by those who live in so-called "fly over" country as an example of liberalism run rampant."

My wikipedia doesn't help on this one.

Translation?

Posted by: Spectator | April 13, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Many Democrats simply do not want the party to make the same mistake twice by nominating another Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes!.

Thanks to "uncle" jeremiah, the true nature of hussein has finally been revealed. For nearly twenty years hussein has been the disciple and avid follower and supporter of this racial bigot. hussein has publicly praised wright on numerous occasions. wright's vile, bigoted harangues against America, in general, and white Americans, in particular, illustrate the true foundation of hussein and the "church" of which he is a devout member. The foundation of hussein is racial division and strife - not unity. If it were not for the thin veneer of whitewash slapped on him by his handlers, I would expect him to adopt wright's "God Da'mn America" as his theme song. hussein is clearly an outrageously unacceptable candidate for any elected office or position of responsibility in America.

Posted by: ALEX H. | April 13, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

This dope Obama is starting to look just as stupid as all the other bozos and liars in the race for President. I had hopes for the guy, and voted for him, but if he takes one more dump out of his mouth like this last one, I will dump him on the pile with the Clintons and the rest.

Posted by: steakpatrolman | April 13, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

This is the ultimate example of our media at work. No wonder Americans did not know the people we were supposed to give freedom to in Iraq were the cousins of Iran.

And you thought they were all just Muslims like our ignorant President.


Our entire media has spent more time and real estate on "Bittergate" than on the fact that the highest officials in our government--including the President--conspired to commit acts of torture.

You deserve what you get.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Carville said that about Pennsylvania having Alabama in the middle. FYI - Alabama democrats voted for Obama. Of course, Obama is a lying liberal so he won't get the conservative democrat vote and none of the republican vote.

It is funny -- who has used anti-trade as a wedge issue this campaign?

NO ONE MORE THAN OBAMA.

He opened several speeched saying "I PRAY TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. HE IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR"

Wasn't he using religion to get votes.

I am amazed at the media lovefest with Obama, and his supporters who think that the only wrong with Obama is that he eloquently stereotypes people. Oh, wait, he eloquently stereotypes WHITE people, all 210 million of us.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

The Friday Night Fight began when folks were busy paying attention to something other than the issues of the presidential election..was that right? Were they being bitter about something that wasn't high on Hillary's list of "what every American should think?" Were they clinging to their guns? Their Friday Night Religion (basketball)? Did Obama get it right????
Frankly, I think he got it dead on. I've spent most of my lifetime in small towns and they certainly find ways to shoot themselves in the foot come election time. They divert themselves from the real issues, the ones that impact their lives most directly, with "esoteric" arguments about "how the founding fathers saw things." They are full of bitterness which may be closer to hatred of those who do not look like them or dress like them or talk like them, and brandish guns and gun talk to show their manhood and family values, all the while chugalugging beer and whiskey with their kids' college funds. The sad part is Obama spoke the truth and we cannot tolerate the truth, whether from a politician or a pastor.

Posted by: Mary May King | April 13, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

some are bitter, and the media has created a scandal out of an accurate remark. it doesn't characterize every voter, but it is accurate.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Friday afternoon data dump. What came out of the White House this Friday? Bush sanctioned torture.

That's right. While we spend time on poor voters in rural Pennsylvania being thought of as being bitter and distrustful of others because of their disaffection, Chris (and all the other talking heads and news shows) IGNORED the fact that our president has admitted that he committed a war crime. A crime for which other heads of state have found themselves in front of a war crimes tribunal in The Hague, but merited not even a yawn out of our media.

Talk about disaffection. At this point, I am of the belief that we need to put the heads of these media companies on trial as well for their complicity.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Of course some people are bitter. Obama should not apologize for saying so. These people were poor 16 years ago when they gave the Clintons eight years in the White House, and now they are still poor, because the Clintons didn't do anything about it. But since then the Clintons amassed 100 million dollars under George W. Bush. And now they have the colossal gall telling people that they can "feel their pain". Give me a break!

Posted by: bodo | April 13, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

For chrisake! Does anyone believe the people in question are not bitter? Do we have to speak incomprehensible crap to he populace or can someone actually say in clear and concise language what they think? Obama spoke the truth. Some people see controversy in the obvious, I guess.

The media defines the story of the moment. This will last until the next big haircut ... or maybe it'll be eclipsed by Clinton's boilermaker moment.

Or maybe McCain will wear one black and one blue sock.

Things are a little screwed up.

Posted by: josher | April 13, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Where was the outrage when Ed Rendell the governor of PA said his state was not ready to elect a Black Man.

He called his own voters Racists.


Where was the outrage.

Ed Rendell stated the middle of his state is Alabama.


Where was the outrage.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE.

The only thing this story shows is Clinton's ability to make a mountain out of a mole hill. As a gun-totting, church-going Democrat living in a small rural town (15,000), I have to say that the flap about Obama's comments is a whole lot of nothing.

Does Clinton really think everything is fine in rural America? Does she think people are optimistic? That just shows how out of touch SHE is. Oh, and as long as we're on the subject, where does SHE get the standing to talk about 2nd amendment rights???

There's a reason Obama won Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Alaska and countless other rural states.

BK

Posted by: BK | April 13, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Now some slick novice comes along and challenges their credibility - I don't think so.
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Imagine if Obama told the Bosnia story.

He would have been forced to drop out.

Yet Hillary sits up there with her lying A$$ and says I misspoke.

Please. What credibility

You people are looking for a reason not to vote for Obama.

There are a 1000 reasons not to vote for Hillary or McCain.

Bill Clinton lied the other day about the Bosnia story again.

McCain is aligning himself with the same Neo-Cons that gave you Iraq.

Obama tells you the truth and you don't want to hear it.

American's love being lied to.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

LOL Tell me where I can pick up my check. Thank you very much.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Most Americans do not agree with their newspaper editorial board. Their influence has waned, and newspaper are a retirement home for 60s hippies and lonely feminists. The internet allows a variety of opinions, where you rarely see a difference of opinion among elitists on editorial boards. I think Obama getting endorsements based only on his "vision" will not influence voters ,but make them scratch their heads. PSYCHICS FOR PRESIDENT -- THEY HAVE VISION TOO!

The newspapers want Obama for their own political/white liberal guilt issues. Maybe they think he will have a bailout for foreclosed newspapers. I think the endorsement makes Obama look like part of the liberal establishment that is so far left, so out of touch, so maniacal it will hurt him.

Posted by: karen | April 13, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

This video is going up the rankings in Youtube. By tonight, hundreds of thousands more people in the country will have watched it.

The Elitist Obama in 2004 is revealed speaking about rural voters.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6oGF3cyHE7M

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The man is telling to truth and he should apologize? How is it elitist to say that most Americans stick to what they know to be true because politicians like Clinton and McCain are constantly spinning the most simple of comments. As for elistist--Obama is the "poorest" of these three candidates. Clinton has made millions in the past decade and McCain is married to a rich heiress. Give me a break!! Obama--keep telling it like it is.

Posted by: JL | April 13, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

At least they've devoted the past 30-some years of their lives to social issues and solutions. Now some slick novice comes along and challenges their credibility - I don't think so.


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Hillary took money from the financial institutions why she voted to make bankruptcy harder for the consumer.

Just so happens bankruptcy filings are now at an all time high.

If you call that fighting for the people you deserve what you get.

Posted by: Langx | April 13, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is Washington Post devoting space to this obscene obsession by Clinton with a simple true remark made by Obama? The transparent emptiness of Hilary's remaining ammunition in this fight for nomination is only magnified by giving it front page space.

As a Pennsylvanian, I can read and interpret Obama's true comment for myself; no need for the 'elitist', self-serving interpretation for me by the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: lenbyler | April 13, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

At least Obama realizes the rural folks in PA are pissed. Hillary thinks they are all a bunch of gun loving, whiskey shooting, bible toting happy rednecks.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 13, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Words of Wisdom,
I sure hope you're getting paid by the post."

Heh.

Winger hysteria is funny.

Posted by: LOL | April 13, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

proudtobeGOP - Shouldn't that be proud to be an idiot.

McCain will be a third term of Bush.

On Thursday, the New York Times's Elizabeth Bumiller and Larry Rother reported that "the so-called pragmatists" of the conservative foreign policy establishment are "expressing concern" that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is "coming under increased influence from a competing camp, the neoconservatives, whose thinking dominated President Bush's first term and played a pivotal role in building the case for war."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/us/politics/10mccain.html?_r=4&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

According to the Times, one of the concerned pragmatists is former Secretary of State Colin Powell:

The worry about Mr. McCain is centered among a group of foreign policy realists who have long been close to him and who lost out to the hawks in the intense ideological battles of the first term of the current White House. The group includes former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, former Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage and Brent Scowcroft, the national security adviser to the first President Bush.


Posted by: langx | April 13, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

To:maelstrom54
Elitist: One who despises people or things regarded as inferior, especially because of social or intellectual pretension.
It has nothing to do with how much money you have.
I think Obama is simply a politician, he says different thing to different crowds. This remark was not supposed to be public.

Posted by: evelyn3091 | April 13, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and McCain are giving Obama an unprecedented opportunity to shine if they keep attacking his remark. PA folks may get offended at first, then they accept his remark as self-evident.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania may not care as much about this brouhaha as blogosphere and the pundits http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/13/111644/425/469/494812

Posted by: Keith Hood | April 13, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Just imagine the REAL UPROAR had Hillary inserted "Blacks" where Obama used "small town"! I continue to be amazed at how the press will not confront the "race" issue in this campaign(which, by the way, is an issue Obama ORIGINALLY inserted into the campaign!) Why can it not point out the fact that Obama winning states like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana,Georgia and the like will do him NO GOOD whatsoever in the General Election?
When this election is over and Obama gets slammed back to Chicago by the Republicans I hope the liberal press will be happy that once again they have tossed away a golden opportunity to elect a Democrat as Preident!!!!

Posted by: Ed W/LouRadio | April 13, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This is where the Democratic Party is today: they only PRETEND to care during election time - the Obamas and the Clintons are going to pack up soon and they do not care about small town America.


Its true, they are headed back.


Back to Washington and their big cities - they will come back again when they need your votes. Don't remember Bill Clinton is the one who pushed NAFTA and the China trade status deals. The Democratic Party as sold you out.


The Democrats PROMISED you safeguards - that free trade would provide you with better paying jobs.

Where are they? It is time to modify these free trade deals - tell these Wall Street types to jump in the river - the voters are not blaming the Clintons - Obama is looking down on the small town Americans - and the voters do not know where to turn. HOWEVER the first thing to do is GIVE IT TO THEM BACK BABY.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

mteng calling Royesford.

mark I am squamish about the reference to a 'so called" berkely phd who claims to be a civil rights worker and what sounds like a so called jewish/black conflict and it referencing Harvard law Review sugessts jewish backlash against Obama. Maybe I am missing the purpoe of that story but yea it sounds like it promoting jewish antisemetic stereotypes. Reference to svre?

Posted by: Leihctman | April 13, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Both Clinton and McCain are each worth over $100 million dollars (with their spouses' assets)...hardly in a position to call Obama elitist!

Posted by: maelstrom54 | April 13, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

While the comments may pose a somewhat political problem they are none-the-less true.

Posted by: Maddogg | April 13, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

thorn, Too bad for you, George W. Bush is not running for re-election thisd time so his policies and decisions are not up for debate.

What we do have is a moderate, some say maverick, Republican nominee who has consistently stated and adhered to his principled stand against torture.

You see, he was tortured by out enemies, the VietCong, in a North Vietnamese prison camp for five years. Despite being offered an early relase by his captors because his father was an Admiral, John McCain chose to stay with his fellow Americans for the entire time.

If you think the issue of torture is something that can sway votes toward the liberal ticket this fall, with a record like McCain's I'm sure he'd say "Bring it".

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 13, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Obama's comments, I know here in Michigan our state has lost thousands of jobs and nobody cares.
We are bitter the only thing we have left to hang on to is our religion.
Hillary your husband signed NAFTA you supported it and you are a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The truth hurts!
Our jobs left I am one of those who is losing their home because my job has left, I cannot find one were I made the wages to keep my home.
So yes I AM A BITTER SINGLE MOM!!!!!!!!!!!
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Obama made those comments in answer to a question about why he is struggling to get the support of the blue collar workers, etc. So, his comments are his explanation as to why he is struggling to get the support. Obviously you and many others are bitter, but you still support him. Does his answer make any sense at all?

Posted by: Rich | April 13, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The comment is a true gaffe because he implies that the voters don't know what's best for themselves.
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They don't. How many people voted for Bush because he supported the gay marriage amendment.

It was the reason he won the election.

Forget about the fact he lied to start a war. I'll vote for Bush because he don't like the gays either.

How stupid are American's


I'm black and my sister voted for Bush because Kerry never said he wasn't for the gays.

You give Americans to much credit.

They vote against there own interest all the time.

Bush himself said his base is the top 2% of earners.

There tax cuts aren't for the middle class.

If you don't make over 250,000 and you support the GOP you are voting against your financial interest every time.

The Liberals want to take my gun.

And now you can pay your mortgage but hey you got your gun.


The GOP uses these wedge issues like guns, abortion, religion, gays, to get the hanger on's to vote for them.

If Bush wanted to overturn Roe vs Wade he could have done it. They had control of the Supreme Court, Congress and the House.

Yet they didn't overturn it.

They need it to motivate the chimps.
They could really care less about any of those things.

Ed Rendell the Governor of PA called the middle of his state Alabama.

He stated PA was not ready to elect a black man president.

Where was the outrage from PA being called racist by there own governor.

It seems to me people are looking for an excuse not to vote for Obama.

I can give you a thousand reasons not to vote for Hillary or McCain.

Your just looking for one not to vote for the black guy.

You get what you deserve.

Now I completely understand why Bush is the President.

Posted by: Langx | April 13, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama's problem is his attitude- his complete condescension to people he percieves that are not as bright as he is- those remarks about small town people taken over by their hates is his real attitude - Obama should never be President - and I consider myself a fairly liberal Democrat

Posted by: joe | April 13, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

1.Another Superdelegate for Obama
2. PA Small Town and Rural Leaders Reject Clinton and McCain Attacks

3. Pennsylvania Times-Tribune Endorses Barack Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama is simply a politician who says people what they want to hear. The "bitter " remark wasn't supposed to be public, he said it to a small elite group.
Interesting though he finds fault with small town people clinging to their religion.
How does it jive with his support and enthusiasm to his church and his pastor/mentor/spiritual leader?

Posted by: anna | April 13, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Poor little angry frantic Shrillary, if Obama's description of the mindset of small town denizon's who have lost jobs and factories, courtesy Slick Willie's NAFTA, I submit she jumped on Obama's words out of sheer desperation.

I give this story no more that three days leg, and in the meantime Obama narrows Shrillary's lead in PA; moves closer to victory in Indiana and NC; and the selfish arrogant Clintons can fade from the political scene. Good riddance! Forrest Gerard

Posted by: Forrest Gerard | April 13, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I dont like guns, I am religious. I think u can have both and be quite happy. The idea that religion or having guns is a sign of bitterness is ridiculous. You can see how the repubs hold there noses when talking about Mcain. But with Obama,its a love fest with move on, code pink, San Francisco and every other liberal base. Obama is a left wing elitist who coudnt reach over the aisle if he tried. Obama supporters are quite blind when it comes to thinking he can make change. At the very least you need to be a bit distant from yr extreme end before you can claim to be in the middle.Frankly, Mcain is too socialist for me but at the very least he's really independent and in the middle. Why any independent would vote for Obama while he's so left and in love with his left base is
amazing.

Posted by: alex | April 13, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama's problem is his attitude- his complete condescension to people he percieves that are not as bright as he is- those remarks about small town people taken over by their hates is his real attitude - Obama should never be President - and I consider myself a fairly liberal Democrat

Posted by: joe | April 13, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

WHITE HARD WORKING PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF OBAMA OFFENDING US AND THE MEDIA SUPPORTING IT!!!! WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THIS IDIOT OBAMA, HES THE BITTER ONE WITH THE NAPPY HEADED RACIST WIFE

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

What is important is not how Obama handles the controversy but rather how the media handles it.

Posted by: Kevin99999 | April 13, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Was Obama bitter when he joined Rev. Wrights church? Is he still bitter , staying in the church or has he from the be gaining use the church more as an opportunity than for spiritual guidance? He is totally out of touch with middle-class America. Since coming to the mainland from Hawaii, he has had purpose of education and using that education and people of influence to get him in politics. Did he attend college as a result of affirmative action or on grades alone? The church exposed him to his way of facing American society head on ( black liberation theology), also exposed him to people of influence in Chicago. In the Illinois legislation, he moved bills that were hand picked for him. Obama has moved fast and loose in the political world on the words, backs and money of others. Now the true Obama comes out, but at least it is not to late to stop him from becoming our President.

Posted by: jp,michigan | April 13, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

OUR TIME HAS COME TO FULLY SUPPORT BEHIND SENATOR CLINTON TO WIN IN NOV

http://www.theproblemwithobama.com/

VOTERS DEMAND OBAMA DROP OUT NOW, WITH ALL THE NEW POLITICAL DAMAGING STUFF COMING FROM HIM AND MICHELLE OBAMA, IN ADDITION TO WRIGHTS CONTINUED OBAMA DEFENDED ATTACKS ON WHITE AMERICA. HE WILL SURLY LOOSE THE GENERAL ELECTION FOR DEMOCRATS.

Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed National Association of Chiefs of Police. http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/31408.html

Obama has a dual citizenship with Kenya Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden would be praying for an Obama victory because it would help the militants win in Iraq. Citizen Wells 3/08

Memories of Obama's recent racial stereotype of the 'typical White person' are still fresh. Add to this now his view of the 'typical small town person.' Obama is quoted as disparaging residents of small towns in Pennsylvania as being "like a lot of small towns in the Midwest" where "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Obama is unapologetic, even dissing of voters in Florida and Michigan one has to wonder what groups of Americans he really respects?

Racist wife, Michelle, saying she was proud of America "for the first time" only because of her husband's presidential run.

Obama explained he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or hold his hands to his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance because it is a substitute for patriotism,

Obama confirms his own moral obliviousness and he seems to have disdain for those who are troubled by his own unwillingness to break with The Great White hater Rev Wright

Rev Wright says you don't have to wait for the afterlife for the mansion on the hilltop, he's right! To shut him up Trinity United Church of Christ is building Rev. Wright a $1 mil house on a lot that was purchased for $345,000. According to federal income tax return Obama gave $222,500

Wright continues his Obama supported attacks on non-blacks Wright states Jesus death on the cross was a public lynching Italian style.

Obamas senate record shows he infact did support the war voted against bringing America's troops home, voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater, voted with Bush/Chaney latest bit of posturing S433 to suspend any troop withdrawal, if not suspended, keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come.

Washington Post- Fact Check- Senator Obama CAUGHT LYING about Kennedy Role in Helping His Father Contrary to Obama's claims in speeches Kennedy family did not.

Chicago Daily Herald- Obama refers to himself as 'a constitutional law professor on the campaign trail. TRUTH: He never held any such title!


Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If people would do more than listen to the sound bites, there is no way that they could be offended by the Obama characterization of why people in this country are disillusioned. As for Obama being an elitist, what could be more ridiculous? It appears calm and intelligence are being mistaken for elistism.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

THE MEDIA LIKE AP-CNN AND MSNBC ARE SELLING OUT AMERICANS
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/04/05/ap-covers-obama-avoiding-churchs-pastors-essence
Associated Press Playing defense for Obama Karen Hawkins and Christopher Wills of the Associated Press quilty of Wright-wash, Hawkins and Wills avoid any mention of the Black Liberation Theology that forms foundation belief system of Trinity United Church. AP pair purposely avoided any mention of inflammatory items in weekly bulletin articles published by the Church.

Nowhere in the story was any mention of the Church's belief system, which was outlined by McClatchy's Margaret Tavel on Mar 20. Obamas church pushes controversial doctrines. Jesus is black. Merging Marxism with Christian Gospel may show the way to a better tomorrow. The white church in America is the Antichrist because it supported slavery and segregation. Those are some doctrines that animate the theology at the core of Obamas church.

Wright said basis for Trinitys philosophies the work of James Cone, founder black liberation theology movement out of the civil rights struggles of the 1960s. Particularly influential was Cones book, Black Theology & Black Power. Cone wrote that the U.S. was a white racist nation and the white church was the Antichrist for having supported slavery and segregation.

TCC'S Pastors Page section, the Rev. Wright gave two pages to Hamas TERRORIST MOUSA ABU MARZOOK. The column originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times, which came under heavy criticism for running it. Among Marzook's many whoppers: A number of political parties today control blocs in the Israeli Knesset, while advocating for the expulsion of Arab citizens from Israel and the rest of Palestine, envisioning a single Jewish state from the Jordan to the sea. CAMERA.org wrote at the time that "that no Israeli parties in government advocate the 'expulsion' of Arabs; one calls for voluntary transfer."

TCC Pastor's Page section, written by TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER AIL BAGHDADI. Among other things, Baghdadi wrote I must tell you that Israel was the closest ally to the White Supremacists of South Africa. In fact, South Africa allowed Israel to test its nuclear weapons in the ocean off South Africa. The Israelis were given a blank check: they could test whenever they desired and did not even have to ask permission. Both worked on an ethnic bomb that kills Blacks and Arabs. The KKK, on its worst day, never accused the ethnic groups it hated of attempting to concoct a "white bomb. Rev. Wright not only allowed these hate-filled diatribes to appear in TUCCs bulletins but supports as does Obama.

OPRAH TCC MEMBER DENIES JESUS IS THE WAY TO HEAVEN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW4LLwkgmqA
Oprah TCC and Obama financial backer Exposed on New Age, Oprah denies Jesus is the way to heaven as audience members fight back. Watch now, as Oprah is trying to have it pulled off the website Oprah is misleading many. Please view this video and pass along so everyone knows the real Oprah. frightening to Christians who supported everywhere.

Posted by: DEMS WANT OBAMA OUT | April 13, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

All of you people who say that Obama said that frustration with their economic situation is the only reason people turn to religion, guns and other divisive issues, are making things up. I listened to all the videos, and nowhere did he say the word "only". That is your personal interpretation, and says more about you than about Obama. He said when people are frustrated, they turn to things they feel they can count on, like traditional values. In my experience, that is true.

Posted by: heartlight 3, Maui, HI | April 13, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Mark, Glad to hear that your'e being objective. Do you not agree that this latest controversy highlights his most glaring weaknesses as a presidential candidate?

I have a question for Senator Obama:

Is 'anti-trade sentiment' merely a product of bitterness for struggling blue collar Americans or is it, as you've suggested elsewhere, a sentiment you actually share?

The problem is that he continues to defend the indefensible once again, just as he did with Wright, just like he did with the 'typical white people' comment.

His and his supporters' insistence on defending indefensible remarks demonstrates one of his obvious weaknesses as a candidate.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 13, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and McCains comments calling Obama an
elitist, the man just paid off his student loans, so when your student loans are paid off that makes you an elitist.
The two that are saying this are the ones out of touch with the American people.
Who has made over $109 million?
What about Bill's ties to the Columbian trade agreement, Mark Penn, the ties these other two candidates have to lobbyist.

Posted by: sb | April 13, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman:

Are you calling in particular areas of PA or are you calling all over the state? I'm just curious because things seem to be pretty settled around here. Maybe I'm just not talking to the right people.

Lots of HRC support among the State College "townies", not so much with the college students (as you might expect). But the delegates should split 2-2 because neither candidate seems to have the upper hand (> 63% support).

Of course, State College is a little blue dot in a sea of red.

Posted by: mnteng | April 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse


proudtobeGOP wrote:

"I thought about his comments while at church this morning, and I must say I found those words he chose to use especially appalling as we read the 23rd Psalm."

Assuming you read the entire Psalm, I was wondering if you were equally appalled to learn of secret white house meetings in which the current administration's leaders planned the torture sessions of prisoners.
Or, is your self-righteous indignation filtered through your political lens?

Posted by: thorn | April 13, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin:

It IS much more interesting here when the topic isn't something so emotional, like this "bitter" thing. Fewer rants, more better-informed posts.

Posted by: mnteng | April 13, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Obama's comments, I know here in Michigan our state has lost thousands of jobs and nobody cares.
We are bitter the only thing we have left to hang on to is our religion.
Hillary your husband signed NAFTA you supported it and you are a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The truth hurts!
Our jobs left I am one of those who is losing their home because my job has left, I cannot find one were I made the wages to keep my home.
So yes I AM A BITTER SINGLE MOM!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sb | April 13, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe that people listen to small soundbites and base there voting decisions on that. But then that explains how we ended up with GEORGE!
If anyone were willing to read or listen to the "entire" transcript you would see that what Obama said was, when rural or any american for that matter feels that their Government has left them behind, they are bitter, when they see there jobs being shipped overseas and for 25 years are told, oh we will bring them back, there bitter, when people are this bitter they turn to their religion for solice, or they go hunting or fishing or whatever, something they know and are familure with gives them comfort! Exactly what was he saying that made the statement ELITEST??
That people are fed up? That people are sick and tired of the same old political line being fed to them every election?
The guy was raised by a single Mom, he stayed in Hawaii with his grandparents for a better education. Isn't that what AMERICA is all about, lifting yourself up by the boot straps and becoming successful?
For Clinton to call him Elitest is a joke, her and her husband take money from Columbia to the tune of $800,000.00 so Bill can lobby for CAFTA, and she says she's against it! Well, then she should put her money where her mouth is and return the $800,000.00 to the Columbian Govt. Not to mention Mark Penn. Oh, but I forgot she did take all those bullets over Bosnia, with Chelesa in tow! Pathetic!

Posted by: Sue F | April 13, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Proud, I have posted 5 times today but I have not defended BHO's comments in SF, and am not about to to you.

As I wrote early this morning the equation of "bitter" to "religion and guns" is "tin ear", and also wrong.

Honestly, I am not personally moved by it. I think both Ds pandering on [no] free trade is
way more important.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

PA unemployment rate 4.9%
CA unemployment rate 5.7%

PA high school graduation rate 80%
CA high school graduation rate 65%

Obama seems very out of touch to me.

Yes I know many who are insulted. I am insulted. I am a city girl who decided to move to a small town to raise her kids. There are good and bad people in both the city and the small towns. Barack Obama somehow thinks life is better in Chicago where crime, gangs, drugs, etc. are much worse than small town America. In a natural disaster in small town America neighbors help neighbors, in the big city the get in line and scream for FEMA.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

So the people who believe Obama is an elitist would rather have someone like Bush, the regular but incompetent guy, as president? God help us!

I was one of those bitter people because no one listened to my objections to the Iraq war. I was told I was being unpatriotic and helping terrorists.

Now, Obama inspires me because I believe he is a true leader and is the only one who will end this war. If this gaffe derails his nomination, I will go back to being bitter again.

Posted by: Joan from Virginia | April 13, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad Obama made the comment. He is an elitist, but I don't hold that against him. It's time somebody brought up the stupidity of issues like gay marriage, gun control, etc. with the all the problems we have now. I hope Obama can keep his foot out of his mouth at least he wraps up the nomination.

Posted by: NthAnalytics | April 13, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question: has anyone reported actually being offended by the remarks besides Hillary and McCain? They accuse Obama of condescending, but they don't think the people in small towns can speak for themselves.
I was sorry that Obama apologized at all, although it was probably appropriate to acknowledge that the "clinging to religion" part was poorly worded. But why apologize for pointing out that people who have lost their jobs are angry about it? Shouldn't the administration be apologizing?
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The people in small towns will speak for themselves at the upcoming primaries.

Posted by: Sean | April 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Like the WaPo the newspapers that endorsing Obama is PA is run by gray haired hippies with incredible liberal white guilt. It is the height of conceit that a newspaper would tell others how to think and who to vote for. As newspaper circulation plummets and advertiser flee, the propaganda for Obama and the censorship of news on his behalf will haunt the newspapers. More layoffs, more angry ex-readers, less advertisers. The fact that anyone uses a liberal newspaper as proof of a candidates worth proves your own "out-of-touch" problem. The best both newspapers could come up with was Obama had a vision. I suspect they will endorse "MEDIUM" for VP.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why it is that those folks who are the poorest cling to those politicians that offer little to no help for them. Why is it a family that makes $20k a year supports those politicians who think tax cuts for the wealthy are the answer.

Who is it that's out of touch?

Oh I forgot, those happy folks are happy to be working three jobs just scraping by till one of the family members gets sick... then they have the house they live in get foreclosured--but they still keep smiling cause they know that the McCains are there to help--like the wonderful job that was done in New Orleans for example--and those folks just keep smiling cause they are HAPPY!!!

Yes Billary tell us just how in touch you are... What's that, your husband is getting blown in the oral office? Just not in touch with those who provide all that leadership training giving you experience to be prepared from day one...for what? Good thing you have that religion you depend on...

Posted by: yakmon | April 13, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

MarkinAustin, I recall a few weeks ago (political time sure moves slowly) when you beseeched me to quit "harping" about the controversy surrounding Obama's 20-year pastor, mentor, and campaign advisor Jeremiah Wright. I believed at the time, and still do, that it feeds into a larger narrative about Obama the man, the candidate, the virtually unknown frontrunner for the D nomination. His subsequent ad-lib comments were especially enlightening as to his core beliefs...that "typical white people" in this country are bigots.

Last week, I also wrote about the ultra left's disdain for those not like themselves...(e.g. General Petraeus who was attacked for his service uniform in an L.A. op-ed) and I argued that this is the wing of the D party that is represented by Obama.

Now, we see a window into Obama's thoughts and beliefs with his statements made to liberals in SF which can only be described as alarmingly un-presidential.

I certainly hope that you will not now be among those that continue to parse and defend this candidate's every flaw, or try to quash debate.

I thought about his comments while at church this morning, and I must say I found those words he chose to use especially appalling as we read the 23rd Psalm.


Posted by: proudtobeGOP | April 13, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, Here is a more detailed self-revelation by svreader, in case you have not been keeping score.

He has claimed to be: Jewish, a "PhD in EECS" from Berkeley, the founder of "many" Silicon Valley enterprises, one who has "hired-and-fired" Harvard grads including a President of the Harvard Law Review, knowledgeable of Chicago politics, a Washington D.C. insider, a multimillionaire who has lost a fortune by posting to blogs because he is not "compiling", the descendant of a family destroyed in the Holocaust which his grandfather escaped before the 'thirties, and one whose unparalleled access has allowed him to read an as-yet unpublished book, "Obama's Slums". He also claims to have fought for civil rights his whole life, and claims to be "to the left of" BHO, whom he acknowledges to be "to the right" of HRC. We know from his style that one of his pen names today is "CALIFORNIAMARTY".

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I am angry and bitter this country is so screwed up, therefore I cling to Obama.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 13, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

mnteng: I have made 30 calls today. 50% are not home but of the 12 undecideds 8 said they are definitely leaning HC but I don't feel it appropriate to ask them why or stir up the controversy just doing my volunteer work.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, it was not. The poster who calls himself "svreader" has detailed a rich narrative history of his life which includes, most prominently, that he is Jewish, that his grandfather vame to America before the 1930s but much of his family was lost in the Holocaust, that he is a Silicon Valley entrepreneur who has begun many businesses and fired many Harvards including one Harvard Law Review. He also claims to be losing money while poting because he could be compiling.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are bigots.

Mark in Austin's comments prove they're anti-semitic as well.
Posted by: Obama supporters are bigots | April 13, 2008 4:11 PM

Riight. You're clearly an idiot. First, you think MarkInAustin is an Obama supporter. Second, you think he's anti-semitic. Maybe you should get out of your mom's basement and ask her for some money to buy a crowbar so you can get your head out of your backside.

Posted by: mnteng | April 13, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

mnteng, You will recall that you and I had a discussion about affirmative action by American universities and
the discrimination it has produced against Americans of Oriental descent, notably in the CA state university system in the early 90s.

svreader, in one of his guises, has been suggesting that BHO was admitted to Harvard Law based on "affirmative action", which svreader presumably deplores.

I do not know about Harvard Law's actual policies, but I do know about UT's. During the 80s-90s, the minimum LSAT for entrance was 91st %ile. My legal assistant, who was graduated from college with High Honors, could only nail an 84th%ile on her LSAT. I and half a dozen other lawyers who knew everyone on the Admissions' Committee wrote letters and made phone calls for her. In the process, I learned that UT would give two [2] points for Affirmative Action - my legal assistant had to hit the 89th %ile. In a totally distinct case, those two [2] points became the crux of a lawsuit.

GWB was NOT admitted to UT Law, btw.

The posts are repetitive and boring and it is fun to talk to you about this stuff. The Shia and the Sunni Ds can get back to their Civil War now.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

mark was that intended as an anti semetic slur, if so get lost.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I am the first to admit that his comments were impolitic at best. The fact that his comments are true is almost irrelevant. I am sure the candidate himself is wishing he could relive the moment and I think Chris has provided a balanced view of the realpolitik in operation here.

Playing it safe is quickly becoming the operative campaign strategy...a pity during a week when it is revealed that the President's top circle of advisers helped plan out the detailed torture scenarios of prisoners. Instead we focus on shallow ad hominem attacks and counter-attacks.

Posted by: thorn | April 13, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

that was the remus reference to Walmart that kruez conveniently ignored just like her candidate's statements."Hillary Clinton silently took on Walmart's labor practices for 6 years while she was on the board.

and mark Obam's statements are toxic here to Noreiga, Lampson and Doherty I expect them to distance themselves. I posted fri my misgivings about McCain's worthless healthcare credits, lack of understandingof basic economics and likely selection of Ted Olson Federalist Society to replace an eldrly Stephens of the S.Ct. That is truly a frightening thoght.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman:

That was me posting at 4:08P.

MarkInAustin:

"Marty"? I think he should rename himself "Independent Clause Guy". Or "Rain Man".

Posted by: mnteng | April 13, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his supporters look down on everyone else.

The more Americans see how he and his supporters think and act, the more we'll be proud to vote for anybody but him.


Posted by: Obama thinks he's better than everyone else | April 13, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

And yet more fallout:

Obama picks up another superdelegate today.

Nancy Larson, of Dassel, Minnesota, a Democratic National Committee member, told The Associated Press she decided to support Obama because his campaign will bring new people into the political process, and she believes he has the best chance of winning in November. "It's looking more and more that the one person who can do it is Barack Obama," Larson said.

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Nothing bitter in that endorsement!

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 13, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are bigots.

Mark in Austin's comments prove they're anti-semitic as well.

Posted by: Obama supporters are bigots | April 13, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's becoming a pet-peeve, but"Bitter-Gate"??? I understand that "gate" has been co-opted and over used by "oh-cute" journalists for decades, but to tag anything/everything even potentially controversial as scandalous and, by inference, as scandalous as Watergate is ridiculous. Even by todays standards, doesn't "bitter-gate" overstate the case just a tad? Sorry, Chris, but this is too cute by half and ranks as one of the most frivolous uses of "gate" used to date.

Let me pile on even further; Journalism's (and your own), use of "gate" in this context has now rendered it long past the tedious toward something closer to the meaningless (other than what it tells us about the continued decline of the fourth estate's previously proud and useful role in American politics).

Really, journalism can be both serious and important. Wasn't becoming so yourself what you wanted out of a career in journalism? These kinds of overly simplistic headlines with their gratuitous use of "gate", etc., for the sake of attention and pop appeal is not going to be helpful to that goal and it is not helpful to your readers and the larger discussion at hand. Spare us the melodrama! Please! Pass it on...

SB

Posted by: Steve | April 13, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

More fallout:

The Allentown,PA "The Morning Call" endorsed Barack Obama today. Here is the article:

Obama's vision is reason to nominate him -- April 13, 2008

Pennsylvania's Democratic voters on April 22 will choose between two candidates in the presidential primary. Both are qualified to become the nation's chief executive. They have more similarities than differences. But, The Morning Call recommends that Sen. Barack Obama be nominated, and we offer three reasons. The first is the quality of his campaign. It has surprised the experts by moving him close to the finish line against bigger, more established political machines and it has communicated his basic ideas well. The second is his message of hope and change. It conveys a vision of the nation's future that is in tune with the tenor and consensus of most Americans. And third, and most important for the Democratic Party at this moment in history, there is Sen. Obama's ability to inspire.

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I guess they didn't get Hillary's message that Obama is an elitist.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 13, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton silently took on Walmart's labor practices for 6 years while she was on the board.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The fallout from Obama's "bitter" comments:

The Times Tribune of Hillary's "hometown" Scranton, PA endorsed Obama today. Here is the endorsement:

All of the myriad issues facing the next president of the United States coalesce into a single question: Who can best lead? For Pennsylvania Democrats, the best answer in the April 22 primary is Barack Obama. In a nomination campaign that has defied convention, Mr. Obama has energized an entire generation of voters that, for the most part, otherwise had checked out of political participation. That, at least, portends a new approach to governance that can help to dissipate the political miasma that has engulfed Washington at least since the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is an extremely talented politician who already has secured a unique place in U.S. political history. She repeatedly has proved her political death notices to be premature. She also has demonstrated that she is a master of public policy. And -- this is not and should not be taken lightly in an area that prides itself on family and a tradition of supporting its own -- the Rodham family has deep Scranton roots. But Mrs. Clinton also is a political lightning rod. There is little doubt that a second Clinton presidency would further the deep divisiveness that characterizes American politics -- a divisiveness that dug itself deep during the Clinton presidency, and even deeper during the Bush-Cheney years. The first task for the next president is to get past that. And it might not be possible if the presidential cycle goes Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

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Nice endorsement. I guess they are not buying the "Obama is an elitist" trash being pushed by the Hillary campaign.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 13, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman:

Have you made more calls today? I'm wondering about your undecided voters. I just talked to a couple of canvassers yesterday (one of each for BHO and HRC) and they both said that opinions were pretty well made up (mostly BHO or McCain).

I asked the HRC canvasser about the "bitter" thing, and, bless her heart, she looked at me as if I were a space alien.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Where's the outrage over Bush's knowledge and approval of torture? Please join C&L and the ACLU: Time to write..."

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/13/wheres-the-media-outrage-over-bushs-knowledge-and-approval-of-torture-time-to-write/#comments

Posted by: getalile | April 13, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

mnteng,

The Jewish Silicon Valley entrepreneur and "compiler" posted directly after your comment. That was ironic.

At least now we know that he probably calls himself "Marty".

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I guess its the truth that people in the black community "cling" to their churches and guns too - the only difference in Chicago is that those with the guns are actually shooting school children.

Posted by: Barry O | April 13, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Also,

"It is not about the bitterness, it is about treating THOSE people who have moral values, a different culture, a belief in right and wrong, an ideal of law and order, as imbeciles."

Are you actually saying that people from Illinois, from big cities, from the more traditional "Blue State" mold don't have moral values or believe in right and wrong or law and order??

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

And he didn't treat them as imbeciles, the only imbecile here is you for continuing to repeat that meme despite all the evidence to the contrary. If you interpret his remarks as calling them imbeciles, maybe your interpretation says more about your views on the subject than what he said.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton '08

Have I got a story for you: Its about a former corporate lawyer and her lobbyists husband who take up the plight of the American blue-collar worker. Its called Bill and Hillary's Incredible Adventures starring Kathy Bates as Hillary and Warren Beatty as Bill.

Solutions for the American Corporation

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 13, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Who has a better chance of graduating high school -- the student in small town PA or the teen in Obama/Reverend Wright Utopia of Chicago or San Francisco?

The small town kid will have a 95% chance of graduating, while the city kid has only a 54% chance.

Which state has higher unemployment:

Illinois or PA.

Where is crime higher, small town PA (Johnstown) or Big City non-clinging zones of San Francisco or Chicago.

Twice as much crime in the city (303 v. 624 on the national crime index)

It is not about the bitterness, it is about treating THOSE people who have moral values, a different culture, a belief in right and wrong, an ideal of law and order, as imbeciles. The small town values do not need to be explained away by Barack Obama and Tony Resko and Reverend Wright. THey should be copying small town values.

Who

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"I think you're right about that. I don't think he's been in the Senate long enough or done enough traveling around America to understand the whole country. He doesn't understand the Southwest at all, and when he lost every state here, the media just dismissed it by calling the voters "racist.""

Ummm, he won Utah, Colorado, and the delegate count in Texas, so this line only works if you limit the Southwest to Arizona and New Mexico, and New Mexico was a virtual tie, so you're really grasping at straws here...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama has worked harder than any Republican to trash the legacy of Bill Clinton.

The only Democratic President that's still alive that he can trot out is Jimmy Carter, who's busy talking to Hamas.

If Democrats nominate him, it will go down in history as one of the greatest political blunders in American Politics.

Posted by: Obama's worked harder to trash Bill Clinton than Any Republican | April 13, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Uncle:

I can do you one better. The headline on my local paper (Centre Daily Times) this morning:

"Lure of trout draws anglers to local streams"

Page A3 has "Clinton fuels 'bitter' controversy" by Kuhnhenn and Babington from the AP

I see svreader is back but is afraid to post under his own name.

Posted by: mnteng | April 13, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"The problem for Obama is he is barely ahead. And Hillary is going to win the popular vote! Obama can not win in Nov.! No Dem can win if you lose Mi, Oh, Pa, and Fl."

He's ahead by 165 pledged delegate, over 130 total delegates, and nearly 1 million popular votes (he even leads in popular votes if you include Michigan and Florida, and he wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan!!). And beyond that, there is zero correlation between primary results and general election results. Tell yourself whatever you need to, but the race is over.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

New Era I'll make it simple Obama told all the people who live in small town america that they are stupid, bitter, and cling to their religion because of these things!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Man, those small town Pennsylvanians really are idiots. Even after bittergate, their newspapers still chose to come out and endorse Obama! Man, what are they thinking? (Maybe that this whole bruhaha is stupid and matters more to activists on all sides than to real people struggling through the Bush economy??).

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19480144&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=418218&rfi=6

http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/all-a.6348993apr13,0,4038021,print.story

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The problem for Obama is he is barely ahead. And Hillary is going to win the popular vote! Obama can not win in Nov.! No Dem can win if you lose Mi, Oh, Pa, and Fl.

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Re: "His remarks show a lack of understanding of the diversity in this country and in all people from everywhere."

I think you're right about that. I don't think he's been in the Senate long enough or done enough traveling around America to understand the whole country. He doesn't understand the Southwest at all, and when he lost every state here, the media just dismissed it by calling the voters "racist." It never occurs to them that he isn't connecting with certain segments of the population because he knows nothing about them--and it shows.

Posted by: Michelle | April 13, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I admit that I'm dumb.

I read the offending words and heard the audio and I still don't know why I should be upset with Obama's comments. I thought he was giving a matter of fact answer to a question. But then again, what do I know. I'm not paid to be a spin dioctor.

Also, I read Chris Cillizza's article, and I didn't think it was pro-Obama or anti-Hillary.

Now if Chris had said how ironic it was that the main person who accused Senator Obama of being out of touch and an elitist was none other than Hillary then he might have started something.

But Chris didn't say that Hillary might be the one out of touch since she has lived in some form of tax payer supported public housing since 1982. First there was the Governor's mansion in Arkansas from 1982 to 1992; then the White House from 1993 to 2001; and then the million dollar plus home in New York and her million dollar plus home in Washington DC on a Senator's salary. But Chris didn't say that.

Chris didn't say Hillary might have been a tad bit of an elitist herself these last 7 years because she had an income of $110 million. I don't know how many small towns in in mid-America view that type of an income as average.

Chris didn't say that maybe Hillary had a tad bit of an elitist advantage while growing up in a family that could afford a summer cottage on a lake in a state different from the one in which they were living. I don't know how many families in small town American can afford that luxury today.

Chris didn't say that Hillary might have been a bit out of touch in viewing the real problems facing the children of middle class America as they try to make it in today's job market. After all, how many families in mid-America can use their family name to help their daughter land a $200,000 a year job in NYC. Or does Hillary believe everyone can do that?

Chris could have wondered how out of touch Hillary is in understanding the real fear of crime that middle America feels. After all, 24/7 Secret Service protection can ease a lot of concerns and fears.

Chris could have said this and much more, but he didn't. I did. And with luck the Obama campaign will point this out over and over again during the next nine days. Maybe then Hillary will understand what Senator Obama meant by "bitter."

Posted by: New Era | April 13, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is Karl Rove's Dream Candidate.

Only Obama can cause mainstream Americans to vote for a Republican after what Bush has done.

He is the new patron saint of the Republican party.

Only Obama can define the Democratic Party as a fringe party totally out of touch with mainsteam American values.

Posted by: Obama is Karl Rove's Dream Candidate | April 13, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton '08

CAFTA. I am completely, 100% against it, but we are keeping the money.

Solutions for the American Corporation

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 13, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is up by 16points in NC if he loses Pa will he end his campaign??? I don't think so!!!"

Of course nt, he's practically got the nomination locked up and is well on his way to being the next President. Losing PA by a few points and then winning NC big will only confirm that. You don't quit while you're ahead in politics.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Susan E. Obama had a fundraiser in San Francisco and he was ask why he was doing so poorly there. Obama said that they are bitter and that they have to cling to their churches, guns, antipathy, and anti-immigration.

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say anything about Wal-Mart, I was simply saying that your retort that what happened 32 years ago while she was first lady of Arkansas was irrelevant is weak.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

tydicea No I'm saying that Obama does not mind taking credit for speeches and legislation he did write. Just words I guess. Someone elses!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

first of all kruez Wallmart of the 70s has zero to do with Walmart of 2008. You and your side certainly know that. And as first lady of Ark you suggest that in 1976 she should have told Walmat, Ark's largest employer, to go to h***. That would certainly go over well, glad you are not a political consultant. Guess this is another way for you to deflect your candidate's misstep lets talk about a 1970s story. That is really desperate.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

This brouhaha is really pretty simple if you think about it. The Clinton's triangulated trade deals that caused millions of blue collar, middle class AMericans to lose their jobs, while thos same pacts enriched their corporate sponsers and donors. Obama mentions those job losses and how its impacted the small towns of PA. BOOM! The Clinton's have no choice, if they want their nearly moribund campaign to continue, except to go on a massive offensive against Obama.

I think its interesting how few "men/woman on the street" interviews the networks have to done to ask real people about Obama's statement.

Posted by: Susan E. | April 13, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Blacks go to church and go hunting too, ya know."

Except they are hunting animals....

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Iraq, torture, countless violations of the civil rights of Americans, mortgage crisis, corporate welfare, economic collapse, inflation, declining dollar, the decline of America's image abroad, 82% feel the country is on the wrong track, a President with a 28% approval rating still imposing his will over Congress....

If you're not bitter, you're not paying attention.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about these dumb comments. The GOP has run this country into the ground! Torture, spying, financial ruin.

I am voting straight Democrat! And that is that!

Posted by: Mike | April 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama is up by 16points in NC if he loses Pa will he end his campaign??? I don't think so!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama an elitist? Obama needs to make sure that in the upcoming Wednesday debate that he challenges Hillary and McCain. Simply sitting back complacently while Hillary, McCain, and the RNC define you as an elitist without counter-punching is dangerous even if he is ahead in pledged delgates, popular vote, and states won.

Obama needs to remind voters that he and his wife haven't made over $110 million dollars since 2000 mired in some conflicts of interest. Obama needs to remind the voting public that him and his wife finished paying off student loans only 8 to 12 years ago. Obama needs to respectfully draw contrast between his growing up in poor areas around the world versus Hillary growing up in Pennslyvania where she enjoyed vacations in Lake Cottages where as his single mother had him living in poor Indonesian villages.

Posted by: AJ | April 13, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Lighten up, fellow bloviators! It's pretty obvious BO was trying to empathize with the Pennsylania Dutch by having "bitte" (German for "please") written into his speech ... but Carville was seen hacking BO's computer and putting the words out of order! Didn't any of you ever hear Beny More` trying to put "muy" in before it came up in "Pachito e-che`?" ("Tan piuiqueno[~] y muy trabajador...") Oh.

Posted by: sawargos | April 13, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

many Dems are investors and business people as well as part of labor. Ford is an honorable man and I will defend him at all costs. He likely will run for Gov or against Alexander for the Senate so I take issue with your assertion that he was "being run out of anywhere" especially now that he is married. Is that slur also part of the Obama narrative? He will make a great cabinet member in an Obama or Clinton Admin and either would be fortunate to have him.
My larger point was how the phrase that is why they Cling to their Religion and showing that states like Tenn where Obama claims he will be competitive he can now forget.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question: has anyone reported actually being offended by the remarks besides Hillary and McCain? They accuse Obama of condescending, but they don't think the people in small towns can speak for themselves.
I was sorry that Obama apologized at all, although it was probably appropriate to acknowledge that the "clinging to religion" part was poorly worded. But why apologize for pointing out that people who have lost their jobs are angry about it? Shouldn't the administration be apologizing?

Posted by: fmjk | April 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"uncleremus: interesting that you would now bring up a 32 year old story when her husband was governor of Arkansas. Truly sad you don't have anything more constructive to contribute. Should we next talk about what Sen Obama was doing as a 7 year old. Who Cares."

At the same time, though, I mus recall that Hillary keeps touting her 35 years of experience, so why are we marignalizing something that happened "32 years ago when her husband was governor of Arkansas?" Is her status as first lady of Arkansas irrelevant, and does what happened 32 years ago not factor into that 35 years of experience??

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

What a non issue this comment thing is! Pfui! A man who works on the streets in Chicago helping to organize people in the worst neighborhoods, an elitist. What Obama said was not offensive but euphemistic. Bitter, bitter, are you kidding me, that was an understatement as to what people in small towns feel toward Bush, Cheney and the stinking Republicans who support him. What they really feel probably would make a lot of news because of the curse words needed to accurately express it.

Posted by: Michael Mahan | April 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Cinton '08

Lobbyists need love too!

Solutions for the American Corporation

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 13, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

re citizens bitter over current political currents, government action or lack inaction, and economic conditions? Yes. How could they not be? Conservatives are bitter over the separation of church and state, the 2nd Amendment, liberals, and any environmental laws or regulations upon business. Liberals are bitter over the lack of EPA regulations, deregulation of the market. The erosion of civil rights, due process, posse commutates, intelligent design and the erosion of scientific thought in schools, and the war by design in Iraq. Both conservatives and liberals are bitter over the economy, and the Bush administration's mismanagement of the nation. How is it a false, out of touch, elitist, statement to say that Americans or people in Pennsylvania are upset, bitter, disenfranchised, or disgusted by their current or past governmental leadership? I would argue that it is their right to be upset. It is their patriotic duty to remain vigilant by bitterness toward bad policy and the subversion of the constitution. After the past 7 years of this administration I would turn to religion for help. God may be the only thing left once you throw out the Bill of Rights, the value of the dollar, or the thought of 4 more years of Bush dogma and policy.

Posted by: John David Prince | April 13, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama has "no" experience. Of the laws (he claims)passed Ill state senate (in his last year there-27 laws) most of thoses were introduced by other people and Mr. Jones (president of the senate)had them take their names off the laws so Obama could claim credit for their work! Video taping confessions was claimed by Obama but he did not actual bring the legislation. He just to credit for it!!!
Posted by: where the beef?

where the beef, please don't tell me that you are trying to contrast Obama's experience with Clinton's. If you are, what does Hilary's 35 yrs consist of? 6 yrs in the senate and 29 yrs hanging on to the coats tails of her husband, drafting in his wake despite the humiliations he heaps on her. Why? So that she can ascend to the position to which she feels entitled. Where the beef, say it ain't so.

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I am bitter, disgusted and offended by this administrations disregard for the separation of powers (co-equal branches of government or the system of checks and balances), their disrespect of the constitution, and the blatant disdain for the Rule of Law. I am bitter, you bet, I am bitter over the Chinese imports with toxins that will build up in my bloodstream, fat, and muscle tissue. I am bitter over the deregulation of the finance infrastructure. I am bitter over the lack of respect for scientific knowledge, and this administrations direct promotion of religion with tax dollars. I am bitter about the fact that we the people cannot get honest answers from attorney generals, generals, sec. of state, the pentagon, or any administration appointee. Is it possible that Americans can feel bitter about the last 15 years of republican control of Washington? We should, we must, and we do have the responsibility of vigilance over our government, which requires disgust over bad, illegal, un-ethical, or unjust political policy.

Posted by: John David Prince | April 13, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Will NC understand that they are "bitter"???"

Oh boy, a new goalpost from the CLinton camp that I'm sure Obama will be happy to stand by- if he wins NC, he has clearly beaten this story and the contest will officially be over!!!!

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama was in INDON. learning Islam. You ask where he was when he was 7 years old!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Will NC understand that they are "bitter"???

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Should we next talk about what Sen Obama was doing as a 7 year old. Who Cares."

Hillary apparently thought we should, remember the flap several months ago about his elemenary school paper? But, you're right, with Hillary, there are numerous more recent scandals to discuss.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama judgement at work. Could he possibly give any more Rezko, Rev Wright, Exelon, and now from San Francisco we are "typical bitter white people that cling to our churches". Obama is done stick a fork in him!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

'Another condescending, smug liberal. He knows best and will take care of all you stupid peons. Hitler and Stalin thought the same way."

astonishing stupidity. truly astonishing.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

No, I merely point out that he was in fact chased out of his state, as you clearly implied otherwise. I did support his campaign, and I supported him for House minority leader over Pelosi back in the day, but I have grown less supportive of hom over time, especially his leadership of the DLC, a cancer growing on the party for too many years now. It is the DLC and its triangulation that Obama is speaking of here, where the party is more interested in triangulating to eleciton wins than in actual policy solutions for America's ills, disenfranchising broad swaths of the country who now instead vote on wedge social issues han on economics, because the Dems cannot be trusted to follow through on their economic rhetoric.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

uncleremus: interesting that you would now bring up a 32 year old story when her husband was governor of Arkansas. Truly sad you don't have anything more constructive to contribute. Should we next talk about what Sen Obama was doing as a 7 year old. Who Cares.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It seems "elitist", "flippant", etc. to you because your head is so far up your ass that you couldn't pry it out with a crowbar and a copy of gray's anatomy.

Posted by: vmunikoti
------------------------------------------

Bless your little old heart. Did your baby mess up? Get your head out of "his" ass and you would see it is "elitist", "flippant" and "racist"(antipathy of people not like them) Krishna is right on. We will loan you a crowbar.

Posted by: Chief | April 13, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The man is doomed! he had his "MACACA" moment and nothing can change that.

You Obama supporters who still cling to this loser would be better off asking for refund of your campaign contribution.

I told you before, This man can never be president. This man is nothing but a fraud,
an empty suit who thinks he can con people.

He who live by the words will die by his words.

Posted by: tim591 | April 13, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

so kreuz by your slam of Harold Ford I presume you agee with the racist campaign that defeated his Senate bid b/c you believe that he just deserved that.

And yes I admire Harold Ford and won't back down from that as do most Americans, and believe he would be a worthy addition as a cabinet official or the next leader of the dnc.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton '08

[cue Rocky Theme]
Hillary Clinton silently took on Walmart's labor practices for 6 years while she was on the board. The champion of the American blue-collar worker once again proves that silence is golden. Why do today, what you take credit for on the campaign trail anyway.

Solutions for the American Corporation

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 13, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Karen, what the heck are you talking about? The only people here who seem to be dreaming up conspiracies are the Clintonistas and their rants against the biases of the MSM who want to coronate Obama. A couple examples:

"The censorship is apparent in the newspapers in PA. They aren't even putting it on the front page."

- Karen, 11:33 AM

"Lastest t-shirt worn by journalists: I swallowed David Axelrod's spin, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

- Karen, 1:45 PM

Posted by: Michael | April 13, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else noticing the tin hat people are all Obama supporters?

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"Could any Obama supporter tell me how Tennesseans would respond to a message that it is their bitterness that makes them Cling to their religion. Ford would be driven out of the state never to be heard from had he said anything like that; but of course he doesn't talk like that."

And how is the great Senator from Tennessee doing these days...oh wait... he was already chased out of that state for a myriad of other reasons, off to run the DLC now. No wonder a die hard Clinotonista would admire him so much.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

obama is more or less a populist. it's ridiculous to refer to him as elitist.

the administration's inability to grasp simple principles of justice isn't limited to treatment of these detainees.
here's my experience with bush government:
i'm framed by the intelligence community, local government, and entertainment industry. for 4 years they just threaten and commit battery, won't try any of the cases, knowing they'd have to perjure themselves.
when i figure out what's going on i file a civil suit in federal court in minneapolis, before judge frank. i'm homeless and he dismisses the case. i later acquire information that leads me to believe he knew a lot of the background and didn't bother to disclose it.

in los angeles in 2001 i file another civil suit, at least getting the benefit of some hearings. for the next 7-8 years the government and industry lie through their teeth and thousands (at least) are routinely disciplined for covering up what they did. during this time the community, true to form/its history of reprisals against whistleblowers, attacks me with energy weapons and by spiking my food, calling it community service, something i need to do to avoid prosecution. my allies are way smarter than them though, and the evidence is 100% conclusive that they framed and entrapped me. nevertheless these forces prevent me from finding work apart from the intelligence community, and they attempt to hold me accountable under the secret rules of the community. i recently filed a summary judgment motion in that 7 year old case, testifying that they've been microwaving me for several years in an attempt to cover up their crimes--ya can find it in central district of california, case 01-4340--the community continues to microwave, threaten, even send 'dept of education' letters that coincide with insurance docs and microwave attacks, the message there being the agencies that broke the law by entrapping and framing me--it's actually a federal offense--are now trying to beat me into submission, and that ain't a metaphor.

for his part bush tries to control me, and my speech, by regarding me as a federal employee subject to his rules, despite everything i've said, done and written. he knows that he's wrong, that some of his friends are on the hook, and tries to make me pay by re-defining what i do for a living, calling it government service and placing me in harm's way and/or 'disciplining me'. perfect example huh? take a government whistleblower, interfere with his options, and then employee him as bait for the community to attack. what's wrong with this, of course, bush is properly a defendant, his father is properly a defendant, and he exploits the situation by trying to regard my employment as secret to keep the case out of a public courtroom.

within the last 4 months the federal government has killed two animals in my care, animals i regarded as pets. they've killed or stolen, over the years, 3-4 of my cats and poisoned a squirrel monkey that i owned.

these tactics grew into its evil maturity under reagan, were followed blindly by bush sr and clinton, and became monstrous under junior.

we may see real change under obama. the reality is, most americans do not understand the machinations of their own government, and are being harmed without even realizing what is going on.

read my case file, it's easy to access; and realize that many, many others have had similar experiences. bush and his intelligence community hit men should be jailed, and it's only by the creation of special laws favoring government employees that they're out and about, free to continue what is, by any reasonable measure, criminal behavior.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse


"Typical White Person"

"G*d damn America"

"US KKK A"

Black Panthers on his Website

Stupid PA clings to religion -ick!

Stupid gun owners!!!


Stick a fork in him. He's done. LMAO

Posted by: Typical White Person | April 13, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Just like everything Obama says that gets jumped on, the "bitter" pill is proving very hard to swallow by people who are just plain afraid. One lesson Obama's candidacy shows this 60-something, college-educated, military-intelligence-employed white man is that fear keeps us down every time, everywhere. It bought us Cheney-Bush; it bought us PATRIOT Act; it bought us Iraq quagmire, and will soon buy us Iran quagmire. If you lack the courage to fight that, at least have the courage of self-preservation and yell ENOUGH! If it sounds bitter, don't apologize; that's in the ear of hearer and it's a way of devaluing your right to be heard to try to make you ashamed to say it.

Posted by: Charles Dragonette | April 13, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Annette Keller wrote:Michelle Obama has said that her husband doesn't need lengthy experience to be President because "it's not rocket science."

(There seems to be no limit to their sense of superiority and condescension.

Can you blame her for saying this? I hear 3 yrs olds in the neighborhood say they can do a better job that our current president.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Could you ever imagine Harold Ford saying Tennesseans cling to their religion because they are bitter. He would be run out of that state in an instant, but fortunately he doesn't speak like that.

Can you see the general election signs tailing Sen Obama now: I don't cling to my religion b/c I am bitter Sen obama.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama was answering the question why was he doing so poorly in Pa and the Midwest?
He blamed it on the people there.( "their bitter", "they cling to their churches,guns,etc") He blames everyone but himself for his poor showing. With Obama it is always someone elses fault!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Nobama you do not speak for me and I totally condemn your last post and references.

I was thinking about Harold Ford today, someone I admire.

Could any Obama supporter tell me how Tennesseans would respond to a message that it is their bitterness that makes them Cling to their religion. Ford would be driven out of the state never to be heard from had he said anything like that; but of course he doesn't talk like that.

Can just see the general election signs tailing Sen Obama: I Don't Cling to my Religion B/C I am bitter Sen Obama.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

i took a quick top level look at philly dot com and the inquirer local and statewide pages. seems the folks in state are more interested in how a guy got busted with 5 pot plants, and the tragic tale of a 38 year old naval academy graduate busted for earning pin money selling her wares.
i couldn't find much uproar from the victims.
i know the inquirer had a piece on the paper's front page. it lead with something about how clinton was trying to capitalize, not with outrage and contempt.

Posted by: fillywitwizz | April 13, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Krishna wrote:
The entire offending passage is not very long. I don't see how it is amenable to interpretations other than it is demeaning, condescending, flippant, elitist, and bigoted.
___________________

It seems "elitist", "flippant", etc. to you because your head is so far up your ass that you couldn't pry it out with a crowbar and a copy of gray's anatomy.

Posted by: vmunikoti | April 13, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Krishna wrote:
The entire offending passage is not very long. I don't see how it is amenable to interpretations other than it is demeaning, condescending, flippant, elitist, and bigoted.
___________________

It seems "elitist", "flippant", etc. to you because your head is so far up your ass that you couldn't pry it out with a crowbar and a copy of gray's anatomy.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I guess, as we speak, he is working on his bitterness speech that he will give on national television with all those flags behind him.

Posted by: JacksonP | April 13, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"Nobama in this entire campaign has sid a million more bad things about Mr C than Reagan; the same Reagan who derided welfare Cadillac queens, the same Regan who blew away budgets and cut taxes for th rich. And you pondscum Nobama supporters must like this? Some progressives, eh?"

Wow, great unifying message coming from you guys....

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

This will go away.

Posted by: John | April 13, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Of course some people are bitter. Obama should not apologize for saying so. These people were poor 16 years ago when they gave the Clintons eight years in the White House, and now they are still poor, because the Clintons didn't do anything about it. But the Clintons amassed 100 million dollars under George W. Bush. And now they have the colossal gall telling people that they can "feel their pain". Give me a break!

Posted by: bodo | April 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

pluses...

-he spoke the truth

-timing...he will soon be in pennsylvania, where, if residents actually get to hear what he said and are privy to his sentiment, many will agree

-he has an outlet in the compassion forum tonight on cnn to explain himself

-of the 3 candidates, he is the one of modest upbringing, of scholarships, of student loans, of earning his rewards...hence, most empathetic to the common man, as he has lived it...and, subsequently, has more credence to say it...certainly not elitist...

-it is an opportunity to show what he is made of and what others are not, in this double onslaught...


minuses...

-time is a wastin' for the candidates, to get their word out

-it's chum in the water for the desperate and inneffectual

-it's smoke and mirrors to divert from others foibles and gaffes..

-it is an exhausting distraction

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | April 13, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Communism calls religion the opiate of the masses, but Capitalism reminds us of the dangers that go along with trying to take away the dude's junk.

Posted by: Kacoo | April 13, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters can't even see what's wrong with Rev. Wright.

How can anyone expect them to see what's wrong with Obama saying that only idiots believe in God?

Posted by: Obama supporters can't even see what's wrong with Rev Wright | April 13, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse


Hello.

You cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like you or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment.

Please vote for me.

I am Barack Obama and I approve this message.

Posted by: WylieD | April 13, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Brendan - Actually, Obama was talking about how politicians often use Guns and God as wedge issues to win elections. You can't possibly disagree with that? After all, that is how Bush got elected.

True, but was Hillary Clinton stressing on Guns, Churches, etc... in Pennsylvania, for Barack Obama to bring this out, in San Francisco? Or is he is giving a general exposition, as he is won't to do, to the uninitiated, on the divisive politics gnerally practiced? Or was he pre-empting her on these issues?

Any way you cut it, he made a mistake he cannot undo very easily. Diverting people's attention to something else (as he has done before) won't work all the time.

Posted by: Krishna | April 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Another condescending, smug liberal. He knows best and will take care of all you stupid peons. Hitler and Stalin thought the same way.

Posted by: NoBama | April 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Elitism:
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

I find it interesting that the moment Obama says something that might suggest he is showing a side of him that the media or those that praise him do not want to embrace, people are quit to jump on Hillary Clinton because the money her husband has earned recently has, in their minds, made her more financially empowered than Obama is with his mere "few millions."

To be an elitist is not in whole a title acquired by the amount of money one has or the way in which one lives their lives, but is in fact a combination of factors. One of which is the "perception" of elitism. To believe that you are somehow superior to other groups or classes. This is where I believe Obama revealed a side to him that I was able to see from the beginning.

What many people don't understand about this view, the "elite" or perception of it, is that it can be aquired/adapted by people that have had to struggle to make it. From people that have come from broken homes and modest means. This is why, often times people that have risen above all their hardships CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHY OTHERS CAN'T DO THE SAME. They feel somehow that if they were able to do so, everyone else should be able to do it, despite their circumstances and IF THEY DON'T, that somehow the comments Obama made about bitterness, and clinging to guns and religion or antipathy towards immigrants is the cause of it. When in fact the truth of the matter is that the people that make it are not the majority, they are the minority within these groups. Most people, the average American remains stuck in this cycle of modest means and frustration. A cycle in which is a lot harder to break out of than people are willing to admit.

Overcoming onces hardships involves a complex variety of issues that one cannot try to explain within a few sentences. Each individual has a different set of circumstances and we cannot be quick to try to explain them in the way OBAMA DID.

Obama showed a real lack of understanding. And lets not forget that he did not apologize for his comments, what he said was that he regrets the comments may have offended people and wished he had said it differently.

On another note, the media is quick to critcize Hillary because they claim she is clinging to his words and see nothing in sight to show that she will drop it, yet everytime they mention Obama's "mistake," they are quick to follow it with a clip of Bill Clinton and his remarks on Bosnia. They also love to follow it with the fact that the Clinton's have earned $109 million over the past seven years in comparison to Obama's +3 million.

Real nice to see that we can count on the news to give us facts without implication or bias towards a candidate.

Posted by: y.caraballo | April 13, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Who is saying what in the local papers across PA.

The Allentown Call not only has little to nothing about "bitter-gate" THEY USE TODAY'S PAPER TO THROW THEIR SUPPORT BEHIND Obama!!!

The Beaver County Time forgot the "bitterness" and talk only about how Obama is "winning" and how Spector predicts Obama will win the nomination. I guess we can see why HRC is "bitter."

The Bloomburg Press Enterprise has nothing to be "bitter" about but for Bill Clinton is visiting. I guess they missed the "bitter-gate" story.

The Bradford Era must have missed the entire story. Shocking!

The Butler Eagle zippity dooodaaa on "bitter" and now HRC is getting more bitterer! Hey but according to The Eagle Chelsea is going to be around. And no, they are not going to ask her about Monica!

The Carlisle Sentinel had it listed fourth after "Lee likely to miss '08 with torn ACL", "Chevrolet Blazer reported stolen in Hopewell Township," "Nesting geese attack unwary shoppers in Illinois," and FINALLY! "Obama's 'bitter' remarks give Clinton an opening before key primary."

The Chambersburg Public Opinion must have been asleep at the HRC wheel b/c they forgot to mention it. Even on their link to Statewide News they screwed up the HRC directives! Now I'm even getting bitterer.

What is with The Connellsville Courier didn't they get the memo?!! Maybe they will figure out how to spell bittererererer for HRC manana! Nary a bitter word here.

The Doylestown:Intelligencer Record forgot bitter but let us know Vanilla Ice has been released from a Florida jail after being charged with beating his wife. For those of you who don't know, Doylestown is a suburb of Philly.

The DuBois:Courier-Express remembered, on their front page to report "Bethlehem man dies after falling into well near Sigel" but forgot the Directive on Bitter.

The Easton Express-Timeshas a front page story about their interview with HRC but forgot to mention her bite on "bitter." What up dudes?

The Harrisburg Patriot-News reports nothing. I mean nothing on nothing. So HRC shouldn't be all too miffed. I don't think this paper would report the end of the world.

The Hazleton Standard Speaker missed their cue. Baaaaaahstards!

Honesdales Wayne Independant is mummmmmm on their bitterness.

Harrisburg's Indiana Gazette report how Obama eroded HRC's lead and then way down the page they give the AP link to "bitterville."

The Kittanning Leader Times like their brethren, will disappoint hardcore MyDD lovers.

The Lebanon News Damn Pinkos! How dare they ignore HRC's biggest hook in 14.9 weeks!

The Lehighton:Times News what gall! They mention HRC, big time, is coming to town. Yet, they forgot to talk about how she is mad and hell and never "bitter."

Levittown's Bucks County Courier Times pandering baaaaastarrrds! They mention Hillary is coming, Bill is coming, and about some guy robbing a place at sword-point. Where's the bitter burger?

Posted by: Uncle | April 13, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Just one more about the Reagan issue above - if Nobama was decrying what happened to the poor rural areas for 25 yrs, why did he stop with Clinton and Bush years? Is he saying that those rurals were propsering in Reagan times? ANd does the 25 yr period not extend to Reagan presidency?

This is the slimy side of Nobama. He is forever careful about being deferential to Reagan, who did more damage to the democratic party than anyone else in the last 50 yrs. However, Nobama does n't blink before trashing Pres Clinton but never utters anything bad about Reagan. Heck, Barrack Hussein does n't even the decency to give Pres CLinton his proper title; half the time he just says Bill, Bill CLinton, or her husband; what a slimeball?

Posted by: intcamd | April 13, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The controversy stemmed from remarks Obama made at a private fundraiser in San Francisco on April 6 when he explained his struggles appealing to working-class voters by saying they were frustrated with the loss of jobs under both Republican and Democratic administrations over the last decade, adding: "It's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment."
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I copied the above from another article in today's paper. I understand Obama was answering a question about his struggles of not appealing to working-class voters.
His answer is that those people are frustrated and bitter...

It seems to me that he is insulting those voters and blaming them for his not being able to connect with them. Whoa! With Obama's promises of HOPE and CHANGE, those voters should be ripe to be clamoring to support him. It must not occur to Obama they are not supporting him because they are smarter than he thinks they are.

Posted by: Ronnie | April 13, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama has "no" experience. Of the laws (he claims)passed Ill state senate (in his last year there-27 laws) most of thoses were introduced by other people and Mr. Jones (president of the senate)had them take their names off the laws so Obama could claim credit for their work! Video taping confessions was claimed by Obama but he did not actual bring the legislation. He just to credit for it!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The slime on this board attacking Obama for making an honest remark reeks of the rock-stupidity of republlican scum. They can't touch Obama on issues, so they have to grasp at these ridiculous straws.

It's all a diversion to keep you from thinking about how badly they have wrecked this country.

Posted by: Shane, SD | April 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Gary wrote: i get a kick out of you libs that keep saying hillary is a repub, or hillary is just like karl rove. hillary is a flaming liberal just like obama and the only reason that the dems won in 06 is because of george bush backing amnesty for illegals. america doesn't want the dems taxes or property confication or bizarre forms of behavior made normal. you libs lie about each other just like you do about everything else. its all about powerfor you guys,not about right and wrong. its liberal facism.

I usually try to respect the opinion of others realizing there are other points of view. But you case what my grandmother cautioned me about years ago aptly applies. It is better to be quiet and be thought to be a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't find it all that offensive, but that's neither here nor there. I do think it plays nationally as a significant gaffe. It hurts with the folks Sen. Obama must win over. And it comes 10 days before the PA primary.

I quibble with the Fix's reference to "pluses." I don't think of these as pluses. More like mitigaged minuses. (Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome: Barack Obama and the Mitigated Minuses! Heh.) Otherwise I think the Fix's analysis breaks things down well.

If he gets through it - and I hope he does - then Sen. Obama learns a valuable lesson. There are no "closed" meetings. And it's just so sadly comical that it occured in SF. In the absence of video, it's fun to imagine a room full of Rep. Pelosi's drinking Napa wine and nodding along at why the fly-over people love hunting so darned much.

But a friendly note to supporters of Sens. Clinton and McCain: all politicians mess up when off the cuff; all politicians play to the folks in the room; and all are, to some degree or another, insincere. I'd be happy to put Obama up against Clinton or McCain measuring sincerity during an election season.

Posted by: Applejack | April 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I think also noteworthy regarding your point of there being no video component of this story to be played on YouTube, is that for the last two days Obama's response to the attacks has been at the top of the most watched videos on YouTube .

Posted by: Rob Fenwick | April 13, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile

Slimy pondscum like you can be excused for selective quotes. It is what is expected of Nobama supporters.

Yes, Mrs C made the "I am more ready, he is not" argument, and so did Nobama. However, it is only Nobama who made the "I am the uniter, she is not" claim. He even said some of supporters will not vote Clinton. His wife said she will probably not vote for Mrs C (much earlier than Clinton made the remark about him not ready to be C in C)

What is ironic and hypocritical is that with one mouth he says he is a uniter, and with another he trashes Mrs C, the entire democratic rule of the 1990s and has sought to diminish Mr Clinton's presidency at every turn. He is however, careful about not saying bad things about Reagan.

Nobama in this entire campaign has sid a million more bad things about Mr C than Reagan; the same Reagan who derided welfare Cadillac queens, the same Regan who blew away budgets and cut taxes for th rich. And you pondscum Nobama supporters must like this? Some progressives, eh?

Posted by: intcamd | April 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Not a Clinton supporter, but there is no comparison to Clintons stupid missteps and Hussiens Obvius racist remarks against the middle class white majority. Gun toting, Religous and concerned bitter about job security covers a large majority of Americans. Combine this with Rev. Wrong, Ayers the Weather underground pal, Ms. Michelles hatred for the American establishment, and you guys in the left wing liberal press just sit on your gaffs and play it down as it these elements mean nothing.

Hussien is not presidential material. His claim to fame is his speech at the 2004 Dem convention. That elevated him to the so called rock star status he has. Where is Al Gore when we need him?

Posted by: ziggy1 | April 13, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama is all image.

We need a President who's knows what they're doing, not one who just thinks they do.

Posted by: Obama is all image | April 13, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So, we have another Clinton victory for damaging the Democratic candidacy of Barack Obama punishing candor and virtue, and elevating her own guile and gutlessness.
It is very easy to play word games, not so easy to live like a decent compassionate generous and ethical human being.
Those who are not enamored of the codependent Clintons can see the usual antics sapping the strength fio the Demmocrats to win in NoVember.
Billary is SO predictably, destructively oppoertunistic, superficial, shilly-shallying, name-calling and when integrity and conciliation count: machiavellian.

in my APPAALACHIAN region, the blue collar red necks (term orignated here from the miners who wore red bandannas around their necks in the coal mines)who usually vote against any Black candidates are beginning to coalesce around Obama.
GO OBAMA!! Overcome the cynical creeps with your decency and honesty.
you analyzed the situation right opn target. Sociology shows that economic depression builds major rifts in communities and contributes to fundamentalism.
truth is not always a palliative.

Posted by: Aminah Carroll, Gallipolis Ferry, West Virginai | April 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Minuses: Insulted the very Pennsylvania voters he had hoped to win over.

Pluses: Plenty for Clinton and McCain. None for Obama.

What a maroon.

Posted by: WylieD | April 13, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Why did the Huff Post hold this story for a week (4-6-08)?

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

What seems clear to me from the overwhelming response to Obama's words is that working class voters struggling with their day to day lives would rather be left to their own devices (and so,they decide to vote Republican) than to vote for an economically supportive Democrat who betrays even the slightest amount of disrespect for their values and behaviors.

Posted by: Mary Lou | April 13, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton is not splitting the party. It is that half the democratic party, including myself, don't believe Nobama is ready to be the president. Nobama supporters like you can't take it, so you keep increasing your bitter attacks against Clinton; Your idiotic attacks are not going to convince us that we are wrong nd hence should switch to Nobama."

Wait, you admit the Clinton's started this with spurrilous arguments that Obama's not ready despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, then claim that by choosing to respond it is Obama who is thus splitting the party??????? Wow, straight out of Dubya's playbook (I've tried to be a uniter, and I would be if it weren't that those pesky Democrats don't just rubber stamp every one of my edicts...).

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS A JANUS, A CHAMELION, AND HIS FOLLOWERS ARE GULLED THE SAME AS THOSE WHO BUY SHARES IN GOLD MINES.
Obama had it all. Private expensive school in Hawaii, on to Oxy a liberal expensive private school in Southern California for two years, then on to Columbia and Harvard. What a tough life. He has now managed with the help of an indicted on trial for extortion, corruption fixer to get his family into a faux Georgian Mansion at a discount from its orig. 1.925 million dollar price and even more land added to it courtesy of A. Rezko.

Obama is no man of the people. He has no accomplishments. He voted present 130 times on the tough issues. Voted straight party liberal line the other times. Ducked out to Hawaii when he could to avoid taking a stand. His murky dealings with fixers, terrorists and his Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakhan undeniable stupidities and the many slips of he and his wife make it clear his sympathies lie outside American values. Now yet another slip. Without a teleprompter with a speech composed by two twenty year old writers his mouth betrays him for what he is. Consider that


Some people actually use guns to hunt -- not to compensate for a salary that's less than a U.S. senator's.

Some people cling to religion not because they are bitter but because they believe it, and because faith in God gives them purpose and comfort.

Some hard-working Americans find it insulting when rich elites explain away things dear to their hearts as desperation. It would be like a white politician telling blacks they cling to charismatic churches to compensate for their plight.

Examine his record and connect the dots. He is a bogus product.

Posted by: CALIFORNIAMARTY SAYS | April 13, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's just lost the core of America.

He had already lost the core of the Democratic Party."

This is why, beyond being a stellar politician, Hillary is doing a fabulous job in this election cycle, her supporters are so in tune with both the party and America, as Obama clearly lost the Democratic party's support weeks ago....

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106435/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Maintains-Solid-Democratic-Lead-50-41.aspx

Obama 50, Clinton 41 as of today

Obama 46, McCain 43
Clinton 46, McCain 45

Great analysis there, bro, you're clearly in tune with the pulse of the Democratic Party and America, maybe you could get a job in the future Clinton Administration...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

This campaign now seems to be about nothing more than Clinton perennially moving the goalposts--and Obama winning anyway.

First, victory was how many states, then how many delegates, then the popular vote, then the consensus of party elders serving as a kind of American House of Lords. But he's still winning.

In this new version of the goalpost game, first he was naive for emphasizing hope -- accused of being a hope monger, as he joked -- because talking about hope was unfair to working class people with no reason to hope. Now he is wrong for speaking the truth about the slow-motion economic tsunami that has wrecked American working communities.

So to summarize: hope was shameful, anger is shameful, honesty is shameful, in fact everything is shameful that leads to the outcome of Hillary Clinton not becoming the nominee.

Posted by: wait, isn't he a hopemonger? | April 13, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Its unusual for one remark alone to kill off a candidate:

Back in 2004 Howard Dean made a remark something to the effect about wanting to court the support of people who had the confederate flag on their trucks. As ill-advised as the remark may have been, this remark alone did not end Dean's campaigns--rather it was Dean's continual habit of continually putting his foot in his mouth.

As publicized as George Allen's macaca remark was, it is inconclusive as whether that alone sunk his campaign. You also have to take into account the fact that the Republicans were not viewed very favorably, 2006 was a year for the Democrats to sweep both houses of Congress.

I'm skeptical that Obama's remark is going to mean the end of his campaign given his favorability and rapid response.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | April 13, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

GObama !!!

Posted by: Words of Wisdom is an Idiot... | April 13, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Captain John

Your post is so typical of the slimy Obama campaign and his pondscum supporters such as yourself.

Clinton is not splitting the party. It is that half the democratic party, including myself, don't believe Nobama is ready to be the president. Nobama supporters like you can't take it, so you keep increasing your bitter attacks against Clinton; Your idiotic attacks are not going to convince us that we are wrong nd hence should switch to Nobama.

What is ironic to everyone except to braindead Nobama supporters is that you slimy pondscum people attack us and at the same time claim to bring every one together. At least Sen Clinton makes no such stupid claims. We realize the country is what it already is.

Posted by: intcamd | April 13, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The 'conservative movement' is a highly reckless, insidious and deadly force in this country that is undermining pubic safety and literally poisoning our children. We cannot elect another so-called 'conservative' --- we simply cannot afford it. We won't live through it:

"The Chicago Tribune just won a Pultizer Prize for its series showing how children have been harmed due to lax oversight of consumer products. Studies have documented an alarming deterioration in the Food and Drug Administration's capacity to do its job, with consequences like the Melamine-tainted pet food and E. coli outbreak from spinach. The need to shutdown flights to correct potentially dangerous wiring problems wouldn't have happened if the FAA had been doing its job all along.

The spectacle of watching enraged conservatives flailing their fingers in every direction without pausing to look in the mirror only reinforces that the movement's day of reckoning is rapidly approaching. They, not appeasers on the left, are responsible for the debacle in Iraq, including Abu Ghraib. The hostility of Alan Greenspan toward regulation, rather than the anti-redlining legislation that people like Larry Kudlow keep spewing about, played a huge role in the subprime fiasco. And the tax cuts for the rich that were widely applauded by the Journal and the right greatly exacerbated soaring inequality while delivering none of the promised economic benefits for the rest of the country.

They can make all the noise they want, but it's time to lock them away -- preferably somewhere padded and soundproof."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

it's not obama's words that people are finding offensive, so much as it is the spin being put on it...for that, we can give thanks to the media and clinton...there are so many more issues out there to be addressed, and this "sidestep" bickering is just more "bitter" gristle to chew through to get to the meat of the problems we are facing...if we are not allowed to return to the problems at hand, and, i mean REAL problems, not this fluffy distraction chum, november will be a rude awakening...bitter won't begin to describe the sentiment.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | April 13, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

It's my understanding "Black Liberation" has its roots in the bitterness blacks have acquired from generations and generations of slavery, prejudice and being excluded from the opportunity.

My take on what Obama said is since there's nothing folks can do to change the course of events relating to lost industries, mortgage crisis, a poor health care system, is cling to those things they can have a say in, ie. religion, guns. And yes immigrants are unfairly blamed.

After 8 years of Bush, there's plenty to be bitter about.

Posted by: AD | April 13, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama's just lost the core of America.

He had already lost the core of the Democratic Party.

Both Obama and his supporters are totally clueless about how other people think.

Both Obama and his supporters are arrogant and think that they know everything about everything.

Obama is "often wrong, but never in doubt", just like his supporters.

His attacks on Hillary Clinton and on the record of Bill Clinton's administration have been both below-the-belt and gutter politics at it worst.

By lumping Bill Clinton with George Bush, Obama has shoen that there's no level he won't stoop to, just like he did when he forced everyone else off the ballot in Chicago.

Howard Dean is playing with fire.

He's not only going to lose the election if Obama gets nominated, he's going to lose the mainstream members of the Democratic Party.


Posted by: Obama's lost the core of America | April 13, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton cared about the working class she would never have voted for the Iraq war which is costing us bundles. We cant have health care and may further cripple social security and Medicare because of a decade of war spending. Are Hillary and McCain prepared to explain why its not elitist to ruin our future to appear to "save" us now? All the burden of this war will fall in the next decade in huge interest payments that will hamper both the military and domestic initiatives. Nothing is possible because of their folly.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | April 13, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Re: "And that he blames ignorance on small town Americas principaled distinction between legal and illegal immigration is further insulting."

Give it up. If these illegal immigrants had blonde hair and blue eyes, they would be legalized instantly. We don't use fellow white people as slave labor. We don't call fellow white people "aliens."
Calling them "illegal aliens" is a way for people at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder to feel morally superior.

NAFTA has created this mess. The have been pushed off of their own land by corporations and now they have to come here in search of work. And this country gets rich off of their labor. California agriculture is a 35 billion dollar industry. It brings in more money than Silicon Valley. They have illegal immigrants planting and picking and packing and shipping food 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. And they pay them substandard wages, and spray pesticides on them as they work.

So give me a break with your superiority complex.

Posted by: LL | April 13, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Nobama is toast and his pondscum supporters know it well.

When the light finally started shining on his shortcomings, Nobama starts making one verbal gaffe after another. His **&&&sucking pondscum supporters are defending his idiotc remarks, but they have to know he is toast.

Bunching bigotry, gun ownership, fear of immigrants, faith in god all in one sentence, and saying they are all a result of joblessness is not frankness or even intellectual, it is just a stupid remark, not expected from someone who went to Harvard. I expect a few more brain cells from a Harvard type.

The Rethugs will run with this for a few touchdowns all the way till Nov. Bye bye Nobama, your slimy campaign, your pimp media supporters, and your groupies fans may have derailed Clinton campaign, but can't stop your Titanic from sinking in Nov.

Posted by: intcamd | April 13, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Big Sin: Criticizing White People.

Whites can br criticizd for anything, ever -- especially by a black man.

White America is perfect and Without Sin.

Black America is a nation of potential perps.

Isn't that right Chris?

Obama is a Wuss. He was right the first time and should ahve stuck to it.

Posted by: David Ehrenstein | April 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Sen Obama now runs away from word Bitter in James Reosan in Winston Salem news interview a few minutes ago. He reports he is is getting bombarded by North Carolinans who are visibly upset with Obama's remarks.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

The crystal clear image right now is that Obama cares more about black liberation theology than small town America.


sorry to all you Obamaniacs.

The truth is: what is on is agenda for America ? What do you think Michele Obama wants on the agenda for America ???

Obama has presented us with two different stories : black anger and black liberation theology are both OK - understandable reactions to what has gone on over the years.

ON the other hand, small town America - they are "bitter" - they have taken the wrong response - they "cling" to religion and guns - as if for some reason they have not done enough to get themselves out of their plight.

The original rational for Obama's campaign that he is a unifier, transcending race has been trashed by Obama himself.


Any resonable person who thinks this through should wonder if Obama should even continue in the US Senate.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Clinton and McCain call Obama an elitist? What a joke.

Both the Clintons and McCains are worth well over $100 million bucks each. How can Americans be stupid enough to fall for this crap?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"stereotyping comment like Obamas "...some small-town Pennsylvanians are "bitter""

This is another major flaw in the Clintonista's argument. TO say "some are..." is not stereotyping, if he had said "all," the situation would be different. Do you honestly believe that nobody in small town America anywhere fits the description Obama said there? Because if you don't, you can't even say that his statement was wrong in any sense.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse


"I have never seen a more transparently media-manufactured "controversy" than this one"

That is for sure. There's like 3 articles on the home page of the WaPo on this. Can you media wh*res try any harder to undermine Obama?

Sick.

Posted by: Sybil | April 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but what is so wrong with san franciscans? I live there. Many people struggle here. Costs are through the roof. Crime is up. The infrastructure is a mess.

But the people are kind and compassionate. and, btw, most go to church.

We are not all "rich elite" democrats, though most of us are democrats -- and proud of it.

<}My family struggles every day. we don't have a huge house or three cars. It's too expensive. We can't afford a fancy private school, so we, and many others, put in long community hours to ensure our public school remains terrific (which it is == thanks to the PTA).

San Franciscans do not talk down to those in other parts of these great United States. Why are you talking down to us?

Don't knock what you don't know.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The thing is, Leichtman, we jump down HRC's throat when she consistently lies about her record while touting it as her main asset. We agree, for the most part, with what Obama said here, even if it is acknowledged it could have been said better so as not to imply small-town America votes the way they do ONLY because of these issues. Once he comes back to more clearly state that they vote on these wedge issues over economic issues because the DLC-led Democratic party consistently let them down on economics so they voted where they knoew their vote would make a real difference, the whole issue will go away and we'll be left with Hillary out there still arguing that the folks in PA are just fine and dandy with the state of America today...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

It seems that the largest stinks are created when a politicain states the truth.Are the pundits so used to lies that when someone tells the truth that they think it's going to be a big problem? Hasn't what Obama said been the tactic that the Repubs.& Rove have used to get the Chimp elected twice ( well once)?

Posted by: Joe G | April 13, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

In the first place, Obama is correct. Many voters ARE bitter. They are bitter about the way they keep getting screwed by Washington, while the elite at the top of the Washington and Corporate food chain get richer.

In the second place, it is a joke that the multimillionaire Clintons acuse Obama of being elitist.

What a crock! Obama is absolutely right. Clinton and her buddy McCain are full of it.

Posted by: A bitter voter | April 13, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

S: (v) cling, cleave, adhere, stick, cohere (come or be in close contact with; stick or hold together and resist separation)

S: (adj) bitter (marked by strong resentment or cynicism)

totally appropriate for the given situation...people do...and are.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | April 13, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama actually puts his foot in his mouth often. It is only now that the media has started to even point it out (which is why the true free press is the blogs). In reality most intelligent people know he meant exactly what he said and even why he said it. But, it shows that even Obama can be a bigot, I if McCain or Hillary had made any sort of stereotyping comment like Obamas "...some small-town Pennsylvanians are "bitter" people who "cling to guns and religion.." had said the very same quote about inner city low-income neighborhoods instead of small-town Pennsylvanians they would be burned at the stake. Obama is an intellectual, his comment was not really bigoted, it may have even a fair characterization (I have no idea not being from PA)and the nugget we must take away from this is that Obama at time speaks as if his audience is on his same intellectual and cultural level and when one is looking at the majority of America Obama is clearly an upper middle class, now upper class, northern intellectual and if one wants to stereotype the USA it is far more "small-town Pennsylvanians are bitter people who cling to guns and religion" than it is Northern intellectuals (just ask Kerry & Gore * yeah I know Gore is Tenn). Obamas slips like this one will easily cost him the election.

Posted by: rcruit | April 13, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with the word bitter. I own a gun, I go to church and live in a small town in Texas. Wages do not rise,the only job growth is at Wal-Mart, TAKS test are a bigger deal than student education - No Child Left Behind means pass him even if he can't read and write but don't pay for an extra year of education, and racism is alive and well. Go on to bigger issues. Our middle class is hanging on to nationalism while politicians and coorporations are sellings us to the highest bidder in the name of globalism. Maybe China will open a tennis shoe factory in Pa.

Posted by: mjohnson | April 13, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain Clinton 08
I wouldn't be surprised if it happened she'll come up with something to justify it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

WOrds of (non)Wisdom, your argument here is a bizarre tangent, but the simple fact is it is impossible to eliminate all preferences and let everyone compete under the same standards. There are cultural differences, internal biases, and a number of other factors that simply cannot be fully accounted for under any measure. You may not like Affirmative action and think it improperly addresses how to correct for those inherent errors, but to say just doing away with it will solve all our problems and give us a truly level playing field is dangerously naive. There will still be "old boys networks," misunderstanding of the importance of specific items on various resumes, natural human bias towards those who are more similar to ourselves as being more likeable and thus more hireable, and deeper cultural biases (see this MSNBC video for one example: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24076709#24076709) that permeate the entire process.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Bob in DC: simple reason ,very simple reason Bob. BECAUSE SEN OBAMA DID NOT SAY THAT! He did not say they seek REFUGE b/c they are bitter. Those are YOUR words not his original word. In politics Bob you don't get 72 hours to rewrite and respin what you say. You are stuck with your actual words b/c as Sen Obama has so often said Words Matter. Cling to is not the same as seek refuge; you know is exactly what he said. Stop this ridiculous spinning no one is buying.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I live in a small rural towns where the leading church is the National Rifle Association. As far as I know, the locals here vote on the same issues as those in suburbs and cities.

Posted by: Desertstraw | April 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comment is a nonissue which has been made an issue by the media saying it is just because Clinton and McCain said that it is. If anything is elitist it is the superdelegate system of the Democratic Party and we haven't heard Clinton criticizing it. Please, let's keep focused on finding solutions to the problems with the economy and the Iraq War which are related and really impact the lives of average citizens and not Obama's comment.

Posted by: Gil | April 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Way to go ya'll Democrats (me included).

It's a fight to the finish now. Which isn't so bad, but you don't hear Obama chiming in that 'they boyz - Clinton and McCain - are ganging up on him.

That's a classic Hillary~! move.

Her campaign will stoop to no low, now will it, to win the primary. And then hand the presidential election to the Republicans.

Her negatives are too high. There is no doubt about it. And so, in her eyes to win, she has to bring everyone else's negatives up.

That's not a way to win. That's a way to lose.

Thanks Hillary.

I've got a father dying next to me, and needs proper medical care. You had your chance, and you failed. And so now you are dragging us all down.

I don't have time for your fears or your elite struggles. I've got a family to feed, and to grieve with.

And you are not one of them.

Posted by: Captain John | April 13, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

HRC says that the people she met are a "strong resilient people." That may be true but does that mean they can't be bitter. Can she walk into those small towns with her $50 mil or so laying around, where homes are being forclosed, and people have to decide whether they are gonna buy gas to get to work (if they have a job)or pay for the rising cost of groceries, and tell them "you shouldn't be bitter."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This is hillarious - the Republicans who controlled most of the government for the past 8 years got us into a mountain of debt, bled the military dry with Iraq, compromised the reputation of the country by legalizing torture, slapped bogus allegations against Democratic politicians like Siegelman and it's the Democratic Party's fault?

I'd admit that yes, a lot of Democrats voted treacherously with Bush and enabled the Republicans to create this horrific mess we face today, sharply rising inflation, debt, mired in an illegal occupation - one particular PROMINENT Democrat comes to mind, and it's CLINTON.

Of course she'll do anything to take down Obama, including twisting the truths he's spoken. She consorts with Limbaugh audiences, with Scaife, with Hannity, she's Democrat in name only.

Well, well, well may as well vote for her, she's at least less fogged up and more versed in Rovian tactics than McCain.

Posted by: Qwerty | April 13, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I posted about an hour ago. Just thought of a couple more things.

A potential plus: This supposedly is a "change" election year. Obama has been honest about the bitterness, which many appreciate. This might be a boost if people view him as honest, while Clinton is saddled with dishonesty. Especially if she continues to tout her "gun" relations. (She is a Democrat, isn't she?).

Another potential plus: If Obama is able to survive this, he will only be that much stronger in a battle against McCain because this IS the Republican's argument against the Democrats.

The big minus is that, if Obama does not survive, the Democrats will be BITTERly divided. Obama's candidacy re-energized and re-ignited interest in politics for millions of voters. If he goes away, so do their votes. (Of course this is viewed as a plus if you are a Republican.)

Posted by: scj | April 13, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse


Jill


You are a joke You are some nut who refuses to recognize the problem.

Obama is not the solution to any of these problems.


He thinks the main problem is "bitterness" and people who "cling" to religion and guns - the main problem is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY SOLD OUT THIS COUNTRY.


This country looks more like Arkansas now than it did in 1992 Why Because of the trade policies of the Democratic Party.


Obama has no solutions - he is actually blaming the exact people who have been hurt by the policies of the Democratic Party.


Jill Which planet are you on?

Posted by: Well Well Well | April 13, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama will be fine. He will have a chance to discuss this issue at the debate on Wed. He will probably turn it into a positive as he has done with other controversial issues that have come up.

BTW, latest Gallup national daily tracking poll has Obama up by 9 points over Hillary, 2 points up from yesterday. Nothing sticks to Barack "teflon" Obama.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 13, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters post like they're reading from a script.

They keep trying to ignore the main reason why people are so upset with what Obama said in SF.

Obama says one thing to one group and the opposite to another.

Nobody knows what he really stands for.

To one group he's anti gun.

To another group he's pro gun.

To one group he's big on religion.

To another group he's saying religon is for fools.

To on group he's pro Israel.

To another group he's anti-Israel.

To one group he's an angry Black man.

To another group he's a white guy who sips tea with his pinky out.

What the heck is he?

Nobody knows.

One thing is for sure.

He'd lose a national election by a landslide.

Democrats can't afford that to happen.

The dice have come up snake-eyes.

Posted by: Obama supporers post like their reading from a script | April 13, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

jac13 I am only posting the obvious, not hypotheticals as you assert.
Any time HC opens her mouth your supporters jump down her throat. It is only intellectual consistancy to admit that Obama supporters would not only be screaming from the roof tops had she uttered those exact words, and not asking but Demanding that she leave the race had she gone to SF and made those remarks. Its called consistancy v duplicity which unfortunately is impossible to get across to those here who refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Once again your side's refusal to answer the question: What would Obama supporters be saying today if those were HC's words, reinforces their hypocrisy and double standards. I sincerely believe your candidate will more quickly admit he is wrong and issue an apology before his most stalwart supporters. That would show humility, something sorely lacking from his campaign.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

lydgate


Your comments are repugnant because first you twist what one says, then instead of addressing the issue, you resort to name calling.


The point is: let's see.

Let's ELIMINATE ALL THE PREFERENCES - MAKE EVERYONE MEET THE SAME STANDARDS - THEN THERE IS NO DOUBT, WILL THERE BE ???

Your comments are internally illogical actually.

Let's let everyone in under the same standards - AND then no one can have their words twisted either.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with saying folks who are in economic despair become bitter and angry often seek refuge in the things that give them comfort and security like guns and religion and tend to vote that way also? Maybe that sounds a bit harsh and insulting but it's true.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 13, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

very tacky that Obama supporters are going after other people's wealth, especially since Obama was trolling for money among millionaires and billionaires.

Which couple had more in assets at age 46-- the Obama's or the Clinton's?

For all the Obama supporters he was NOT telling the truth of why people cling to guns or religion. He also lied about why they cling to anti-trade sentiment -- which is ironic because he has stirred up the most anti-trade rhetoric on the campaign trail. And that he blames ignorance on small town Americas principaled distinction between legal and illegal immigration is further insulting. I have been to many of these small towns as a guest of a Serbian coworker. They have welcomed immigrants -- legal immigrants -- for centuries.

Obama did not tell the truth. He played anthropologist to a bunch of millionaires and billionaires, many of whom have outsourced jobs to foreign countries. Let us get a guest list of his big bucks donors.

Obama supporters -- its not about bitter it is about the cling. He is clueless about and is dismissive of non-liberals.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

So what does Pennsylvania think of all this? Apparently, they still like the "elitist." Hillary must be spinning in her political grave...

"Sen. Clinton has made much of her ''ability to lead'' on day one in the Oval Office. Past experience like hers is one thing, but leadership also depends on having a vision, plans to pursue that vision, and an ability to inspire others to follow. On those grounds, Sen. Barack Obama is well-suited to lead, and The Morning Call recommends his nomination in the Democratic primary."

- Allentown, PA MORNING CALL
http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/all-a.6348993apr13,0,4038021,print.story

"All of the myriad issues facing the next president of the United States coalesce into a single question: Who can best lead?

For Pennsylvania Democrats, the best answer in the April 22 primary is Barack Obama."

- Scranton, PA. TIMES-TRIBUNE
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19480144&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=418218&rfi=6

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well, you are wrong

You are the product of school budget cuts and 24 hour right wing propaganda. The Republicans want to eliminate everything that FDR did during the New Deal. The New Deal is the only reason we have a middle class in this country.

And I don't understand this, but if you had a manufacturing job that is gone, why can't you go to Junior College and learn to do something new? Do they not have those colleges where you live? People want to goof off in high school and then get a labor job that pays $50,000 a year. The only reason we had that before was because of the labor movement and the unions. But you guys voted for Reagan who destroyed the unions. You helped create this situation!

If you want a good job go back to school and study like everybody else! And don't blame affirmative action. That's just your excuse for not going back to school.

Posted by: Jill | April 13, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Latest Gallup daily tracking poll showed Obama's numbers actually went up one point today. Looks like Hillary's bogus attacks on Obama's bold comments about the plight of small town America are not working.

Posted by: Bob, DC | April 13, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

it would be foolish for obama to back down from something that is factually evident...and he wasn't talking down to anyone...merely expressing that people in distress, who feel ignored by the government, often, when voting, turn to hot button issues such as gun control or pro life/choice...or ignore the government entirely and focus more on the solace of their faith...that's it, that's all...and it is the truth...and this is not exclusive to those of small towns...people are , indeed, bitter and many have lost a sense of hope or thought that their vote matters...and if chucklehead opportunists, like clinton, and mccain, for that matter, feel the need to jump on this, like a dog with a bone, then, i say, by all means, knock themselves out...it will come back to them tenfold and bite them in the arse...both should tread lightly on this one, as i can't think of anyone more out of touch than mccain, and anyone more politically motivated to divert attention from her own noticeable and catastrophic foibles in credibility , consistency and truth...it will be interesting to see the compassion forum tonight, to see how they fare...who comes off as genuine, and, in turn, who, as pandering for votes...americans are not as "dumbed down", as some would like to think and, ultimately, take advantage of...

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | April 13, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

That the media is in a tizzy over one remark Obama made, breathlessly transforming it into a gotcha showing the man's flawed character is plain wacky. They may not be bitter, but I don't those folks who are out of work because their jobs left town are exactly happy -- and Hillary's and McCain's hissy fits don't do much to help anyone except. maybe, themselves.

What am I missing here?

Posted by: Jack | April 13, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I posted at 1:45P.

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I think what happened was that Obama was speaking to his liberal fund raising base in San Francisco and was explaining why he couldn't "put Hillary away" in Ohio and Pennsylvania given the high amounts of money he has already received and was asking for more. His explanation was that the small towns where he was doing badly were too "bitter" to listen to his change message. Also, in the polls Obama has not been able to make a dent with people with lower education levels. Perhaps many of these people live in small towns?

Posted by: Lynn E | April 13, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

jac13 and leichtman,

BHO gave HRC a gift that took -

WJC's less than gallant description of HRC's Bosnia "story" as that of a 60 yr. old woman suffering fatigue -

off the top line.

Will that gift keep on giving? We do not know.

Would BHO's campaign have seen the reverse as cause to call for HRC to drop out? Probably not. Would
Many pro-BHO posters called for HRC to drop out or worse? Of course.

Posters are avid political followers and many D posters here are in Shia-Sunni mode.

leichtman wants BHO supporters to cut HRC supporters some slack, while jac13 wants svreader, here under several new aliases, to write short rational posts. Neither will happen.
----------------------------
But both of you have the capacity to post sensibly. I expect both of you to talk to me about McC at some point.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Lastest t-shirt worn by journalists:

I swallowed David Axelrod's spin, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Susan and jac13: you continue to obsess over the word Bitter and totally ignore the rest of what Senator Obama said. Linking their economic problems to their Bibles and Guns and saying that is why they Cling to their Religion and Guns is the offensive portion you conveniently ignore. Why? Why has your campaign become so cynical and portrays small town America as only bitter and that it is Because and only because of their bitterness they turn to religion and love of hunting. And why jac13 do you continue to not only misstate what was said but try and justify that religious voters and hunters Cling to what is fundamental to their existance b/c they are Bitter and don't have any values. Sounds like your side 1. Has absolutely no understanding how offensive that is to millions living in small towns or 2. Don't really care if that message offends 40% of this country and 3. That you disagree with Howard Dean's 3 year outreach to religious and gun ownner voters. You seriously just don't get it sir.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't talk his way out of this one.

Like his comment about "Typical white people" this came out of his own lips and shows what he believes in his heart.

Obama is "often wrong, but never in doubt"

He is arrogant, egotistical, and incompetent.

We've had enough of that under George Bush.

If he gets the nomination, we'll not only lose the election, but the core of the Democratic Party as well.

No amount of Obama spin can change that.

Posted by: Obama can't talk himself out of this one | April 13, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

This is the real Obama...arrogant and condescending and if you disagree with him you are racist.

Now let's watch how the Obamedia spins this one. They can't blame Hillary since it was Obama's blog of choice that broke the story.

Watch...they will just try to change the subject instead of really taking a look at this candidate and who he really is.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

You're wrong. It's already over.

The Sundays danced lightly over it...proving the point.

And western Pennsylvanians, where I worked media recently, are too stupid to watch the media...some Hillary boffo will scream it up at rallies and probably mailings, but it's not gonna run. Except those already annointed.

Posted by: been there | April 13, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman -

Come on, counselor. As a fellow lawyer, you must know that you can never win an argument by asserting what someone might do or say under hypothetical circumstances. Besides, what does what we Obama supporters might say about Hillary have to do with anything, anyway?

I respect your right to advocate for your candidate and be critical of mine. But it's not helpful when you generalize and/or impute supposed responses to the other candidate's supporters.

The good thing is that one of is likely to be proven right on April 22 and May 6.

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Republicans, since Ronald Reagan, have used secondary issues like gun control, abortion, and religious rights, to influence people away from thinking about foreign polcies, important domesic policies, and the relaionship between big business and the needs of the majority of people in this country. With John McCain, they will continue to use the same old approach. Having lived in South Dakota, and having been born and raised in Northern California, I have become very aware of this Republican approach to downplaying the real issues that need bi-party approaches to answers. Democrats try their best to address the big issues that will determine the future of America. There is a fundemental difference in the two electorial approaches. People should be concerned about whatever issues they please, but the Republican Party needs to quit shielding their disdain for the working class by dividing them over "Moral Issues." The working people in this country continually vote against their own best interests when they vote for Corporate loving Republican politicians. This voter hopes that workers in the heartland vote their own economic interests as well as the more important moral issue of waging pre-emptive war to secure continuing cheap oil in the ME. Their sons and daughters will continue to pay the price if John McCain and his neo-con friends continue to make foreign policy for the US. The civil rights of all Americans and the justice our forefathers believed in is being trampled by Republicans in search of a much stronger Executive Branch of Government. Corporations, lobbyists, and double dipping politicians have taken over the Presidency and therefore feel free to use our Military to achieve economic and political gains in the Middle East. It is time to stop building naions but to return to the idea of backing true Democrats throughout the world by being good Democrats ourselves. We are not an Imperialist country although our occupation of Iraq belies that belief. Eastern Europe was able to free itself from Soviet clutches, when those clutches were forced to let go. They were able to do it with little bloodshed. The Communist system was so flawed policy-wise towards it's people and their needs that if failed. Without the support of it's people, any Iraqi government will do the same. We can't stop or change that fact through the use of our Military. One hopes that Republicans will not be able to fool the people again. We must look to a better way forward in this century.

Posted by: Harold F. Crockett Jr. | April 13, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton was shocked, shocked and evoked her own Lincolnesque, Annie Oakley childhood, recalling how her father taught her how to shoot when she was a young girl and her faith as "the faith of my parents and my grandparents," presumably unlike that of you-know-who's Muslim forebears.

The Clinton and McCain little houses on the prairie in Chappaqua and upscale Arizona are a rebuke to the Obamas' elitist life style in Chicago and should serve as a reminder to the candidate to stay in touch with the realities that voters face every day.

No matter how bad things get in Bush America, it's not a good idea to knock guns or God, especially with Charlton Heston still warm in his grave.

http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2008/04/small-town-small-time-politics.html

Posted by: Robert Stein | April 13, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"One of the biggest events in the campaign to date"?!!

My god, just shoot me now. You and Ambinder have way, way, WAY too much time on your hands -- which, in your case, Chris, is ironic, given that, despite your breathless, hyperbolic claims for this media-created "event," you STILL haven't been bothered to post the full transcript of Obama's original remarks. So much analysis, so little, um, sourcing.

And this disingenuous habit of yours -- pretending to wonder, with fake detachment and doe-eyed innocence, "What EVER will the media do with this?," while simultaneously banging the hell out of it -- represents the farcical worst of your generation of striving pundit wannabes, who appear to have convinced themselves that the way to prove how serious and hip they are is to, every so often, pepper their writing with the few lines of meta they learned in that Postmodernism for Dummies class, the spring semester of their junior year in college.

Certainly, this sort of thing is Halperinesque --which is to say, solipsistic to the point of onanism -- but it's not hip. And it's not serious.

Congratulations on one of the worst posts of your career.

Posted by: horizonr | April 13, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Susan -

Did it occur to you that Obama was, in fact, responding to a SF questioner, and actually trying to convey to that person the desperation -- and, yes, bitterness -- he has seen and heard in his visits to small towns?

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

The President of the United States said that his top advisors personally approved torture.

Not a story. Thank you, Chris C. and all your colleagues, for your keen sense of priorities.

Posted by: Alan | April 13, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Susan Obama will say anything to win the nomination. He is an Elitist and he talks down to us!!!

Posted by: Where the beef? | April 13, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill in 2008?
More and more...as media and the pundits peal away the onion layers, we are seeing what truly lies ahead for us, the average Joe and Jane American. For the life of me, I don't know why I continue to view this campaign with goulish interest. As a long time Republican, I find it amusing that Clinton and Obama continue to snipe at each other to the point of exaustion. It almost reminds me of my high school days of 1970 when three candidate were vying for President of the Student. Naturally the most popular won----regardless of qualifications. What's really scary, is the possibility of Bill and Hillary.............uh...I mean Hillary and Bill returning to White House, is that Bill has been VERY BUSY since his White House years, doing speeches for special interests, foreign governments, and so forth. I mean really, if Bill and Hillary....uh...Hillary is elected.....one is going to see more "behind the scene" affairs (no pun intended) with foreign countries, that's going to make Mark Penn's dealings pale by comparison. Hillary wants to have Bill as a foreign ambassador? I can only imagine the type of financial rewards waiting for them at the end her 4 years!

Posted by: gangwise | April 13, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse


The democratic party has sold out small town America - that is the truth.

The only thing is: there were supposed to be

1) Worker retraining programs to get people who lost their jobs trained in other industries and to get higher paying jobs.


2) safeguards for environmental standards and product safety.

The TRUTH IS THE DEMOCRATS SOLD EVERYONE OUT AGAIN


If one tried to get into college or graduate school, one runs up against affirmative action programs - which makes it harder for the typical white person.


Democrats sold you out again.


If one actually works for a company that is trying to compete fairly, foreign companies do not have to adhere to the same environmental or product safety standards as American companies - so we are sold out again.


The democratic party has sold us out time and time again.


Bill Clinton is probably at the top of this list.

Obama is NOT the answer - he is part of the problem here -

THAT is why his remarks appear so insensitive and pathetic - he is actually looking down on people who his own party has already kicked a few times.


Posted by: Well Well Well | April 13, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

What Obama said is true, but why didn't he make these comments on the campaign trail? He made them at a San Francisco fundraiser, which shows that he was pandering to white liberals and confirming their preconceived
notions of people who are not like them.

White liberals like to feel morally superior to everybody, and they live in a pretend world where everybody is a white liberal or a poor black person who needs their help. They cast all other whites as racist and other minoritiy groups as either racist or invisible or both.

They are the most patronizing people you will ever meet and I am a Democrat!!!

Obama was telling them what they wanted to hear.

Posted by: Susan | April 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Leye | April 13, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

******** REALITY CHECK ********

If you are reading this, I tip my hat to you for pursuing truth in opinion. I would encourage you to always seek truth and speak it as well. Where truth gets lost is in perception and it is from that point I draw motivation to write an entry here.

We are currently entrenched in the most historic nomination process ever. Either candidate getting the Presidency will mark very important milestones; gender, race, age.

What do you campaign on if two candidates are essentially positioned identically on all the main issues?

Honesty & Integrity; Leadership, Wisdom & Experience; Likeability & Electability?

Let me try to tackle each with questions, I'll let you make up your own mind:

Honesty & Integrity.
Is getting caught lying to voters with intent to decieve and mislead a fair indication of an individual's character? When it becomes confirmed that the lies were calculated and repeated many times an indication of broader ramifications? Is it a conflict of interest to take $800,000 that goes into a joint account from Special Interests totally against what your stated positions are an indication that you will owe them something should you get elected? Is there further deception that your Lead Strategist goes to Colombia to iron out details for a Free Trade Agreement or is it more likely you are lying again to voters and really support it? Is credibility important? Is filing for an extension on you tax returns for 2007 while only providing scarce outline with no details another intent to decieve? Is hiding a donor list another attempt to decieve? How important is loyalty with regard to donations when your main message from your SuperDelegates is loyalty? Exactly how many people do you owe favors and loyalty to and where do the issues of voters fall into this in terms of your priorities?

Leadership, Wisdom, and Experience.
Is it really important to have insight to the real cost, not just the dollars, to the outcome of war? Is it important to be able to remain clear-minded and be able to accurately identify our enemy while overwhelming sentiment is to strike anyone who crossed us regardless of their actual threat? Is it important to demonstrate and exhaust all diplomatic avenues with any country before going to war? The Bush Administration has set this up perfectly, how on earth is it possible to achieve success in Iraq when the definition of success keeps changing or simply does not exist? Is it the role of our military to act as peacekeepers or would it be better to draw down, reinforce our alliances to draw in a more multinational peacekeeping force and open a dialog with all bordering countries that our current adminstration has been unwilling and unable to do? Is it true that our very presence in the Middle-East is what caused the attacks of 9/11 and keeping them there actually fans the flames of Radical Extremism and growing their numbers far greater than they were before invading Iraq? Are we more safe? Is it more likely we are bankrupting our nation in a no-win scenario? If we succeed we stay and if we haven't succeeded we stay - what kind of strategy is that, while the death toll keeps rising? Is it curious to you that record profits are being reported by u.s. oil companies, yet Iraq can't or won't spend it's own money? Are they even getting their money or are our oil companies? If markets are determining prices & profits and the oil companies aren't gouging us - where did the profits come from then?

Likeability & Electability.
Is it important to grow our Democractic base or discourage and alienate them? Is it important to stay on message while opposition continues to divide and conquer? Is it important that a very large portion of the opposition will be automatically be against you because of a previous history of controversy in earlier administrations? Is your clear difference of opinion with your spouse an indication of other differences that existed from long ago or will there be more drama to come? Is it unfair to ask questions about this in an attempt to diffuse what is already out there and most certainly will come up again? Does tearing down your democratic ally to better yourself make you more likeable or would it be far more likely that would be perceived as divisiveness? Does it make you weaker or stronger to stay on message, defend when necessary, and continue to speak the truth above all else even though it may not be what you want to hear, but what we need to know?

In summary, it is very important to be critical, but be critical on the facts, not interpretations and opinion. See what is happening for what it is. Know that Hillary Rodham Clinton did, in fact, lie to you and got caught, then gave a remorseless apology, then joked about it on national tv while our soldiers are getting killed daily from very real sniper fire. Those are the facts. Obama accurately assessed the growing sentiment in small towns in Pennsylvania and throughout this country that they have lost jobs, pensions, pay more than they ever have for gas and heating and food, and confidence in our Government on the whole has dropped - all polling indicates that overwhelmingly. It is fact that a growing majority of middle and lower class income voters have in fact become bitter as a result, and do vote single issue on occasion with no real expectation that anything significant will change. Obama is reaching to those people, like he has all of us, to help us realize that change can in fact happen, and while he can't bowl a good game, he can inspire us to achieve more, not to be satisfied with where we are rather to work together to make change happen. What else could possibly explain his successful campaign performance from six months ago to now? Being out of touch? By being snobby and elitist? Now who said this first? What is their credibility? And who jumped in on it soon after? ask the better question - WHY was it brought up? Was it an attempt to perhaps take the eye of justifiable scrutiny off of her?

Know the facts. Think.
You be the judge.
Then VOTE.

If you have already voted, here is where change is happening - DONATE & continue to SUPPORT with calls, discussions, blogs, email.

Change not only will happen - it IS happening.

God Bless America
God Bless Barack Obama

Michael & Erica Williams
Philadelphia, PA

******** REALITY CHECK ********

Posted by: Michael & Erica Williams | April 13, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 just posted this flap will now finish the HC campaign. Interesting you made that comment while I am busy making calls into undecided Pa voters b/c that is not the response that I am getting from the people in Pa who's voices actually mean something.If you are truly a shrink you just might want to look up the term delusional.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama is now set to blow Clinton out of the water this week...

Pennsylvania: If you're happy with the Clinton-Bush years and optomistic, go vote for Clinton or McCain, who both promise more of the same....

If, however, you think the country is on the wrong track, vote OBAMA!!

Wait for this cycle to wear out in a day or two, then shift back to Bill and China, Peter Paul, and some of the other stories about to break around Hillary. This one statement of truth (and, he did say "some," not all, so he wasn't even improperly generalizing...) will sink his candidacy? How desperate can these people be??????

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

From a Yahoo politico article http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080412/pl_politico/9561;_ylt=Ajl49AEycZsBiUbF8RJjK.MGw_IE :

"The Obama campaign contends that coverage of the San Francisco remarks is overheated and distorted. One aide said that "any logical analysis" would make it obvious that the brouhaha will not "change the pledged delegate count" -- the key to the Democratic presidential nomination."

With the Democrat nomination just about wrapped up O'Bama will reveal more of his real self. Just hope we don't need to worry about who he really is next January.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Despite all the whining of the Obamanut kiddie corps on the net, Obama blew it. He is toast.

Not only was it elitism, it was reverse racism. The small towners he dissed and the things he said about them can only indicate he was refering to poorer whites. It seems his preacher's message got through to him.

While the media will beat up on Hillary for raising the issue, Republicans won't be detered by left elitist media members like Williams and Russert shaking their collective fingers at them. I'll bet they have a copy of that speech and picking the slices to use.

The Democratic superdelegates will still nominate him to appease Afro/Americam voters. They'll let him tank in November, but keep Afro/Americans happy and voting in order to keep control of Congress.

Posted by: William | April 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Like most of the comments, I'm still scratching my head to understand the "gaffe."

But what really has me perplexed is how this thing got to be a "gate" as the title of the piece suggests. Doesn't "gate" refer to some kind of scandal. Is there some scandal here?

All I see going on is that Obama made a comment that was critical of both Clinton and Bush (and therefore McCain.) They both respond by saying Obama "is elitist" or whatever. Then the press gives them validation and then some by turning a gaffe into a gate.

WTF?

Posted by: wrldtree | April 13, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

jac13 you are likely fair minded but its doubtful that even you would be defending today or excusing HC had she made those very words. We would here every explitive(certainly not from you sir) allowable on this site to describe HC. The tape recording was around 5 paragraphs not a sentence or just the word Bitter as your side seems totally fixated on. Unfortunaetely there are no do overs in politics as when JK stated one incoorect word rather than 5 paragraphs. Its just amazing that the Obama supporters do not appreciate that had they been HC's words they would be emailing Howard Dean and demanding that she immediately get out of the race and wouldn't be saying let her re explain it or the words clinging to their guns and bibles don't really mean what they mean. Honestly, if anyone were to get Sen Obama in a private room he would honestly admit what his apologists refuse to admit. That he screed up and wishes he had never made that statement to his supporters.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Krishna--

Actually, Obama was talking about how politicians often use Guns and God as wedge issues to win elections. You can't possibly disagree with that? After all, that is how Bush got elected.

Posted by: Brendan | April 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

According to Gallup's latest polling, Obama has a 9 point lead over Clinton. This includes results from Saturday.

Posted by: Brendan | April 13, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

crenza: It looks like you too have had the Cool Aid!

Get with it. Read bout your boy Hussein and stop defending him - unless of course you work for the lunetic racist Rev. Wright, the shameful Tony Rezko, or the self-proclaimed Pentagon terrorist William C. Ayers whom Hussin Obama calls friends.

Get with it! Stop sounding uninformed!

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: Steve | April 13, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else think this could end up helping Obama?

After all, most of us know what he said is true.

Posted by: Brendan | April 13, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

As a Hillary Clinton supporter, I sympathize with the Obama supporters here having to defend his recent remarks.

But don't say what he "meant". Don't say what he "really meant". Only the blessed Barack knows what he meant.

The rest of us mortals have to take what he "said". The entire offending passage is not very long. I don't see how it is amenable to interpretations other than it is demeaning, condescending, flippant, elitist, and bigoted.

More than the "bitterness" he ascribed to people, it is his conclusion that that's why they go to church, or have guns - it is this untenable link that is his major problem. That he made the remarks in san Francisco makes it worse. That he is trying to squirm away from them, with various grades of distancing himself is making the hole deeper.

Posted by: Krishna | April 13, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The Bush Adminisration admitted to approving toture at the highest levels and yet there is no discussion of how this may hurt a Republican candidate. All you care about is stupid "gaffe" that isn't really a gaffe. Retarded. Why don't you guys write for People or something. You clearly aren't serious about what's going on in this country.

Posted by: John Howard | April 13, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, it looks like Obama is coming our of his shell - his empty shell.

Shame on you Obama (Both Hussein and Michelle)

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: Jim | April 13, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Here we have Obama, a politician who speaks the TRUTH and gets attacked by the press and pundits as well as the politicians Clinton and McCain who have helped put this country in the fix we are in - whether voting for the war or the economic fix we are in.
I am more concerned about a politician who LIES - Bosnia, NAFTA, right to bear arms and how many of your readers know that she was FOR GUN CONTROL BEFORE SHE WAS AGAINST IT? (May 9, 1999 NY Times Article, "Hillary Clinton Appeals for Gun Control Lobbying," and in "an emotional White House ceremony today calls on Americans to press Congress to ''buck the gun lobby'' and pass several gun control measures."
REF: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E7D9173FF93AA35756C0A96F958260

Also, a May 10, 2000 NY Times article "Mrs. Clinton backs Gun Control Initiatives," in a speech to Newspaper Association of America.
REF: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9503E4DC1E38F933A25756C0A9669C8B63
We have a REAL CHOICDE for President: one who speaks TRUTH vs. a well-documented LIAR?

Posted by: crenza | April 13, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Every time one of these two avowed socialists open their mouth, they either lie or reveal more about who they really are. It matters not which one is nominated, since both intend to impose confiscatory taxation upon the American working public in order to promote a socialist agenda. Winston Churchill said it best, " Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the sharing of misery."
If this is what Americans want, it is exactly what they will get.

Posted by: Freeman71 | April 13, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, so the point is Obama supporters wouldn't defend Hillary Clinton from unwarranted criticism? Another penetrating glimpse at the obvious.

No one, for example, will ever seen one of you Clinton flaks jumping to Obama's defense from the racists on these boards.

The Clintons are not going back to the White House. If this kind of junk is all you can do to try to rebuild the huge lead the Clintons' have managed to lose in PA, you are finished.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 13, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

well well well said....
"If one wants to have a REAL discussion about small town America - let's here the REAL TRUTH - the democratic party has sold out small town America - Let's hear Obama say that - "

Actually, that's part of Obama's statement. (Go back and listen.) Both parties have neglected those economically depressed small towns. And instead they offer up wedge issues to get votes.

And, I agree that the Clintons are trying to have it both ways. A big chunk of their income came from business dealings and pro-trade speeches in China, Columbia, India, etc. Pardon my cynicism, but, do you think it's possible the Clintons and McCain are deliberately making Obama the issue to deflect from their role in jobs disappearing overseas? This is exactly what Obama is talking about: the politics of distraction.

Posted by: Joyce | April 13, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's a plus: online ranging comments from abc news and cnn to politico and TPM seem to have a great deal of people emphatically agreeing with Obama's main point. People ARE bitter, and seem to appreciate his honesty.

A minus (but funny): the GOP posters are all in a lather. Fox is orgasmic.

Another plus: Hillary is looking like Charleton Heston's best buddy. She's painting herself GOP.

A minus for the Dem Party: If Clinton succeeds in swaying enough Super Dels to switch because of this controversy, you can bet the Democratic Party will become terminally fractured and bitter itself. There's been so much energy, enthusiasm, and rejuvinated interest in politics generated by the Obama campaign that, if forced out because of this incident, you can bet that a large chunk of the Dem party won't take kindly to the choices of Clinton or McCain. (Which could result in a weird plus for Nader). A big plus for McCain.

A plus: Once again Obama is forcing us to look honestly at the state of our nation. First it was race. Now it's bitterness at our government and declining quality of life.

Posted by: scj | April 13, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

watch you tube and see what Obama says to the people of Terra Haute is reponse to charges he is out of touch...

He is so so in touch with voters, McCain and Clinton look like tweedle dee and tweedle dum!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that McCain gets a pass from the MSM commentators on his many gaffes (the confusion over Shia vs. Sunni, the false assertion that Al Qaeda is linked to Iran, etal.) but everything Obama says is put under a microscope?

btw, I'm a native of the Mon Valley in southwestern Pennsylvania, which is pretty much exactly the sort of place that Obama was talking about. His comments rang true to me.

Posted by: Patrick, Takoma Park MD | April 13, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Of course small town folks across America are bitter. And that bitterness has been manipulated by the Republican Party since the famed "southern strategy" of 30 years ago. By playing on fears of "welfare queens", illegal immigrants, and gay people, the Republican party has gotten those white working class voters to vote against their own economic self-interest.

It's truly pathetic to see Clinton trying to do the same thing that the Republican party has done by pandering to them --

Posted by: Bill in Georgia | April 13, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Make that "desperate."

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman -

I would actually agree with "insensitive." But not "wrong."

As for how I would characterize HRC if she made comments like this, I can't say for sure, but I like to think I'm a fair-minded person. Although I support Obama (don't know whether that qualifies me for "membership" in his "duplicitous movement"), I try to be objective about these things. (For example, I think HRC got a bad rap back in the debate where she got caught up in her words about driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, and I do not believe her emotional moment in NH was contrived.)

What I will grant you is that I'm willing to give my candidate the benefit of the doubt. As I've said, time will tell whether the voters will see this the way the Clinton and McCain campaigns are portraying it, or if they will focus on the bulk of his comments, which convey some empathy and understanding for people who feel depsrate and forgotten.

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Of course some people are bitter. Wouldn't you be if you had no job? Do the Clintons really "feel your pain" better because they have a hundred million bucks? But at least the Clintons are not bitter. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

Posted by: bodo | April 13, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse


Let me get this straight ... speaking TRUTH is an ELITIST thing to do? Did I get that right? Clinton and McCain are proposing that the TRUTH is something only an ELITIST would dare do? Huh?

Posted by: AC | April 13, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The masters of parsing, the Clintons still haven't answered these questions:

FOREIGN: How will Hillary know whether Bill's advice serves U.S. interests or the interests of his Russian, Chinese, Indian, Kazakhstan, Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman or Brunei clients?

PARDONS: Will Hillary "reject" contributions or compensation from persons she pardons unlike her husband Bill who accepted contributions from Marc Rich, partner of Viktor Bout (the merchant of death), and her brother Hugh Rodham who accepted compensation from drug lords who were pardoned by Bill?

MONEY: Do the Clinton Foundation, Clinton Library, Clinton campaign and Clintons tax records show a proper accounting for the sources and uses of funds?

Hillary Clinton says her economic policies will restore the economic policies of her husband's administration. However both Hillary and her husband failed to demonstrate any economic wisdom or foresight as Alan Greenspan warned of irrational exuberance while the sub prime housing loans and dot com investment bubbles were created and pandered during her husband's administration and both supported China's entry into the World Trade Organization without any conditions such as protecting the environment or labor and property rights to levels that are comparable to western standards.

The U.S. government surplus (generated by taxes raised from the housing and investment bubbles) evaporated once the housing and investment bubbles burst.

Furthermore, China today is not only a leading contributor to environmental pollution and global warming (thank you very much Mr. Nobel Laureate, Al Gore), it's also pushing up oil and other commodity prices, taking our jobs and stealing our intellectual property.

Like the Roaring Twenties decade that preceded the Great Depression, the Irrational Nineties that preceded our current decade were both golden ages for technology, scandal-plagued politicians, corporate greed, and unrestrained personal debt and speculation.

As the global economy teeters on the brink of economic meltdown not unlike the Great Depression, America doesn't need finger pointing and fear mongering, America needs a president whose economic policies are based on confidence, unity and reason. America needs Barack Obama.

When political and military judgment mattered most to U.S. military personnel and the American people, John McCain and Hillary Clinton failed as U.S. Senators to demonstrate any commander-in-chief qualities when without competent questioning, they both accepted the faulty intelligence used to justify the Iraq war and misjudged the Bush administration's competencies to lead the war.

Barack Obama on the other hand demonstrated his superior judgment and commander-in-chief qualities when he took an unpopular position and cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen Al Qaeda's recruitment.

Now, John McCain advocates maintaining U.S. troops in Iraq indefinitely which does little to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the political reforms needed to promote civil unity whereas Barack Obama's threat to withdraw U.S. troops does more to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the necessary reforms.

As the threat of global terrorism persists, neither John McCain or Hillary Clinton have demonstrated any understanding of the complexities of building and maintaining global alliances to confront this common enemy. America needs a president with demonstrated commander in chief qualities, leadership and judgment. America needs Barack Obama.

If experience, wisdom and judgment may be relied upon to judge a presidential candidate's abilities to solve problems, then let's look at the records of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

2007 - While Barack Obama promoted a restoration of balance between work and wealth and criticized special interests for distorting U.S. tax codes, Hillary Clinton and her husband liquidated their blind trust of the nearly $50 million amassed during their years in public office.

2002 - While Barack cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda, Hillary told Larry King she didn't regret her vote on the Iraq war resolution because like the Bush administration, the Clinton administration viewed Saddam Hussein as a threat to the international community.

1999 - While Barack secured bipartisan support for health-care reform and passage of low-income tax credits and child care subsidies in the Illinois legislature, Hillary supported her husband's Iraq "regime change" policy in order to divert public attention from the president's marital, legal and ethical infidelities.

1989 - While Barack Obama served as the Harvard Law Review's first black president, Hillary Clinton then wife of the Arkansas governor received payments from a law firm that was doing the state's business and received board of director payments from Wal-Mart where she remained silent about Wal-Mart's anti-labor union practices.

1979 - While Barack Obama was actively involved in the South African divestment movement to end apartheid, Hillary reaped profits of almost 10,000% in the futures markets and left taxpayers with her real-estate losses in the Savings & Loan bailout.

For too long fear, division and rancor have been used as instruments to maintain power and position in Washington.

Why are the Clintons' traditional adversaries Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity now embracing Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party's nominee? Because both the Clintons and John McCain are willing sparring partners in the fear mongering arena, whereas Barack Obama's means of governing through confidence, unity and reason threatens the wealth, power and position of these fear mongers.

It's refreshingly nice to see the better angels of America's character prevailing as voters reject the racial, religious and ethnic slurs being spewed by the divisive surrogates of the Clintons, Limbaugh and Hannity.

Voters in Pennsylvania now have an opportunity to change the direction of America's policies, economy and foreign relations for the better by voting for Barack Obama and rejecting the fear mongers.

As a Republican-leaning independent, I will vote for the Democratic nominee if it is Barack Obama but I will not vote for the Party's nominee if Hillary Clinton is on the ticket. America needs Barack Obama.

Posted by: John Patrick Smith | April 13, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama has said that her husband doesn't need lengthy experience to be President because "it's not rocket science."

(There seems to be no limit to their sense of superiority and condenscension)

Should we take her comment combined with his gaffes as implying that her husband's I.Q. isn't high enough to play the hypocritical politician he's trying to be, without having his true biased and elitist feelings leaking out at critical junctures?

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 13, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The joke is on the pundits. They are the only ones that think this is a big deal. The advice I've heard from the gurus is to not be so honest when speaking.

How about this possibility: he actually listened to the people in Pa after being there for a few weeks; that his account is accurate; that people want honesty and are willing to cut someone a little slack for taking a crack at it!

Posted by: Barry | April 13, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Why So Much Trouble With The Truth?

So people are bitter? They have a right to be and when conditions are such that people feel they have little control what's wrong with turning to the familiar? Doing what you like is one way to break the crisis cycle and get away from your problems temporarily. So if you feel that God helps: go to church, like fishing or hunting; do it. the world has gone wacky and the news media talks tragedy, crime and mayhem constantly so you like to hang with people like yourself and are wary of strangers; so what?
Once again this is much ado about nothing except for Hillary to continue her candidacy. I read somewhere recently that Hillary's candidacy is analogous to Glenn Close's character in 'Fatal Attraction'. Just when you think she's dead, she's back, spewing water like Hillary spews lies, but, whew, in the end she's dead.

I don't know who I'm going to vote for but I know I will vote against Hillary Clinton who managed to make it this far due to Hype, Hubby, and Hyperbole and whose experience lies in lying.

Posted by: james d granata | April 13, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

jac13 respectfully we know that you support Sen Obama.
and you certainly would be describing HC's words as Clumsy had she delivered those precise words to S.F. mega supporters?

How about WRONG, INSENSITIVE?

Are you part of the duplicious Obama movement, I thoght better of you?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Another snippet of proof (adding to the recent idiotic one about the chap who wanted Obama's autograph) that this campaign is now completely bereft of issues. Why else would such straws be so eagerly grasped?

And let's not put the blame entirely on the pols and press. The reason there is much ado about nothing is that we seem to be more interested in these stupid incidents than real bread and butter topics (why, look at me, I am posting here, rather than on blogs talking about climate change, or Petraeus' testimony).

People running for office will ultimately focus on the issues that their electorates demand. Same goes for news media and their readers. It's a pity that the race for the highest office in the land revolves around issues no more consequential than those in the average high school class president race.

Posted by: lde | April 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

It is ovbious to anyone that Hillary is distorting what Obama for political gain. She distorted the story about her Bosnia trip. What will she distort next?
This is not the kind of politcs we need or want. What we need is a program to get this country out of the mess that eight years of Bush have caused. Where is the plan?

Posted by: John H | April 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The masters of parsing, the Clintons still haven't answered these questions:

FOREIGN: How will Hillary know whether Bill's advice serves U.S. interests or the interests of his Russian, Chinese, Indian, Kazakhstan, Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman or Brunei clients?

PARDONS: Will Hillary "reject" contributions or compensation from persons she pardons unlike her husband Bill who accepted contributions from Marc Rich, partner of Viktor Bout (the merchant of death), and her brother Hugh Rodham who accepted compensation from drug lords who were pardoned by Bill?

MONEY: Do the Clinton Foundation, Clinton Library, Clinton campaign and Clintons tax records show a proper accounting for the sources and uses of funds?

Hillary Clinton says her economic policies will restore the economic policies of her husband's administration. However both Hillary and her husband failed to demonstrate any economic wisdom or foresight as Alan Greenspan warned of irrational exuberance while the sub prime housing loans and dot com investment bubbles were created and pandered during her husband's administration and both supported China's entry into the World Trade Organization without any conditions such as protecting the environment or labor and property rights to levels that are comparable to western standards.

The U.S. government surplus (generated by taxes raised from the housing and investment bubbles) evaporated once the housing and investment bubbles burst.

Furthermore, China today is not only a leading contributor to environmental pollution and global warming (thank you very much Mr. Nobel Laureate, Al Gore), it's also pushing up oil and other commodity prices, taking our jobs and stealing our intellectual property.

Like the Roaring Twenties decade that preceded the Great Depression, the Irrational Nineties that preceded our current decade were both golden ages for technology, scandal-plagued politicians, corporate greed, and unrestrained personal debt and speculation.

As the global economy teeters on the brink of economic meltdown not unlike the Great Depression, America doesn't need finger pointing and fear mongering, America needs a president whose economic policies are based on confidence, unity and reason. America needs Barack Obama.

When political and military judgment mattered most to U.S. military personnel and the American people, John McCain and Hillary Clinton failed as U.S. Senators to demonstrate any commander-in-chief qualities when without competent questioning, they both accepted the faulty intelligence used to justify the Iraq war and misjudged the Bush administration's competencies to lead the war.

Barack Obama on the other hand demonstrated his superior judgment and commander-in-chief qualities when he took an unpopular position and cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen Al Qaeda's recruitment.

Now, John McCain advocates maintaining U.S. troops in Iraq indefinitely which does little to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the political reforms needed to promote civil unity whereas Barack Obama's threat to withdraw U.S. troops does more to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the necessary reforms.

As the threat of global terrorism persists, neither John McCain or Hillary Clinton have demonstrated any understanding of the complexities of building and maintaining global alliances to confront this common enemy. America needs a president with demonstrated commander in chief qualities, leadership and judgment. America needs Barack Obama.

If experience, wisdom and judgment may be relied upon to judge a presidential candidate's abilities to solve problems, then let's look at the records of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

2007 - While Barack Obama promoted a restoration of balance between work and wealth and criticized special interests for distorting U.S. tax codes, Hillary Clinton and her husband liquidated their blind trust of the nearly $50 million amassed during their years in public office.

2002 - While Barack cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda, Hillary told Larry King she didn't regret her vote on the Iraq war resolution because like the Bush administration, the Clinton administration viewed Saddam Hussein as a threat to the international community.

1999 - While Barack secured bipartisan support for health-care reform and passage of low-income tax credits and child care subsidies in the Illinois legislature, Hillary supported her husband's Iraq "regime change" policy in order to divert public attention from the president's marital, legal and ethical infidelities.

1989 - While Barack Obama served as the Harvard Law Review's first black president, Hillary Clinton then wife of the Arkansas governor received payments from a law firm that was doing the state's business and received board of director payments from Wal-Mart where she remained silent about Wal-Mart's anti-labor union practices.

1979 - While Barack Obama was actively involved in the South African divestment movement to end apartheid, Hillary reaped profits of almost 10,000% in the futures markets and left taxpayers with her real-estate losses in the Savings & Loan bailout.

For too long fear, division and rancor have been used as instruments to maintain power and position in Washington.

Why are the Clintons' traditional adversaries Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity now embracing Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party's nominee? Because both the Clintons and John McCain are willing sparring partners in the fear mongering arena, whereas Barack Obama's means of governing through confidence, unity and reason threatens the wealth, power and position of these fear mongers.

It's refreshingly nice to see the better angels of America's character prevailing as voters reject the racial, religious and ethnic slurs being spewed by the divisive surrogates of the Clintons, Limbaugh and Hannity.

Voters in Pennsylvania now have an opportunity to change the direction of America's policies, economy and foreign relations for the better by voting for Barack Obama and rejecting the fear mongers.

As a Republican-leaning independent, I will vote for the Democratic nominee if it is Barack Obama but I will not vote for the Party's nominee if Hillary Clinton is on the ticket. America needs Barack Obama.

Posted by: John Patrick Smith | April 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

If I lived in small town America, went deer hunting, and attended church every Sunday, I would feel upset and possibly angry about the bitter comments (especially since I would know that Obama was probably right).

Then I would look at Bush's comments this week to ABC news correspondent Martha Radditz in which he admitting lying about the progress of the Iraq War in 2006. That would make me feel really bitter.

Hopefully, I would ask myself which comments were ultimately more significant and vote accordingly.

Posted by: maggots | April 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I just don't think these stories are all that powerful. First, not many people pay that much attention to these parsed commentaries. Second, the Clinton and Obama voters are pretty well lined up already and they are either willing to accept his explanation or they are not depending on who their candidate is. This certainly gives the pundits something to talk about but how much influence the pundits have is questionable. I personally appreciate that Obama is willing to tell the truth about sensitive issues. His comment happens to have a kernal of truth. It would be really helpful if the small town voters were to really consider what he said. By the way, I grew up in a small town and I find his comments have some validity.

Posted by: Gainesville Guy | April 13, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The "gaffe" reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about rural Americans and their cultural experiences. Nobody is arguing that some people may hold bitterness over the difficulties they face in the larger economy. The problem with Obama's assertion is that he assumes that this bitterness has somehow lead rural Americans to "cling" to their guns, go to church, and become bigots.

If only small town people would become less bitter, they would put down their arms, renounce their churches, and create an open border for the United States. This is the implication of his remarks.

It is also troubling and incredibly patronizing that he speaks so often from the position that he is "in the know", that others just haven't wised up yet. Democrats run these types of candidates far too often and lose elections that they really should win. I am writing as a Democrat who has never voted for a Republican before, but I have had it. If the party picks him as the nominee (by that, I mean the superdelegates, who will be the ones who will decide this race), then I will vote for McCain.

Posted by: Stewart | April 13, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Maureen Dowd to A Huffington: are you idiot, why did you post this story about our cool aid
A. Huffington: I already fired the whole team responsible for posting this true story of Our Messiah by mistake, I do not know we have such a solid mechanism to keep any negative story on Cool aid Obama and soin any story from Clinton Campaign to a negative story

M. Dowd: You can not let this Hillary get the nomination, you know how jealous we are of a woman and can not tolerate to see her as president

A Huffington: so why do you think, I am rooting for this idiot Obama, you won't believe how incapable he is, only if people know anything about him
M. Dowd: I know it very well but since we are on the Jealousy drink, let us keep it up

Posted by: akg | April 13, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama, the verbally gifted ivy league face man, got caught confiding to a bunch of San Francisco left-wing liberal elites how small-town America is full of bitter poor whites clinging to guns, religion and racism.

His remarks complement nicely his wife Michelle's stump speeches, written up in the New Yorker a few weeks ago, in which she describes America as full of slobs, cynics and losers who are struggling to make a paycheck.

A lot of Clinton supporters have perceived Obama as a bag of charming, rhetorically gifted hot air and very little of an established record of action with which he can be accurately defined. With the revelations about Rev. Wright, NAFTA, his "bitter" comments and the things his wife says, he seems to be quite a hypocrite, too.

Obama seems to say whatever people need to hear to believe in him, and harbor true opinions and ideas that are far from what his marketing of himself implies.

Whatever "Obama" is and what his true beliefs are, I think we've been marketed a "Faux-bama". The Washington Post has had a heavy hand in marketing the fairy tale of the man that he isn't.

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Obama doesn't understand how politics is played, or how it has been played for most of my lifetime. You lie to the voters and kiss up to the voters and act as if the voters are the greatest things on earth. You win. Then you use every day that you are in office to screw the voters and sell out to the rich and powerful. After you leave office you make millions by kissing up to the rich, the powerful, and every foreigner who will pay you to talk to them.

Posted by: rusty 3 | April 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

where the beef -

You are a perfect example of my statement that people will hear what they want in these comments. If recollection serves, you have not exactly been an enthusiastic Obama supporter in your posts, so it comes as no surprise that you would leapfrog over Obama's painfully accurate characterization of the desperation, anger and bitterness of people who feel like their government has forgotten them, and try to link this with the Wright matter.

As I've said, Obama's concluding words were clumsy. But I get what he was trying to say: when people are sinking economically and financially, and feel disconnected from and forgotten or not listened to by their government, they fall back on their cultural traditions -- yes, that includes religion and guns -- for comfort and security; and they naturally feel resentment towards immigrants and others whom they feel have taken their jobs. Not an alien concept, EXCEPT for people who want to take everything Obama says and cram it into their preconception of him.

What's amazing about all this is Hillary and McCain are trying to lie and pander to people and tell them they're fine, when the people they're talking to know damn well they are very much NOT fine; while they pillory Obama for -- admittedly clumsily -- speaking the truth. Welcome to 21st-century American political discourse. Not pretty.

Here we are parsing people's words and trying to hang labels on them, while nobody's paying attention to the revelation that the top echelons of the Bush administration methodically planned how to torture detainees. No wonder our standing in the world is in the toilet.

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama's minister, spirual mentor, and advisor gave anti-american hate mongering speeches for 20 years. Obama decide this was the man and church he and his family needed to guide them. Now that is terrible judgement!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, "Chief" As Hillary used early on - and should again - Obama offers only "change you can Xerox"

If she only continued to use such bitingly accurate commentary and comparison. Obama has skated for far, far too long.

Before I exit this forum and return to my bitter life, drive my bitter car to the supermarket to buy some (hopefully not bitter) fruit, and perhaps catch a bitter movie - I offer a theme to Hillary: "Gettysburg IS Pennsylvania
Fight, Fight, Fight"

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

To tell the truth... not everyone wants the truth....

Sadly enough the demise of the best politician in years could fail on account of... telling the truth.

Maybe Americans aren't quite ready for the truth. So bring on more of that "mission accomplished" and "what a fine job brownie", and "the surge is working" BS... yea McCain the only candidate that's "in touch"... who are the Sunni's again?

I didn't realize until she brought it up that Billary is a gun toting religious fanatic--I only wonder why the news media hasn't grasped on to that little statement.... ah the rabid drama of a feeding frenzy on Obama has the media fixated and unfocused on the rest of the picture.

Maybe we can settle on another eight years of fantasy to delay the impending doom that awaits us americans. Lets have some more More prozac, more food.

Posted by: yakmon | April 13, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

lydgate


IN response to your comments - affirmative action creates DOUBT in people's minds - the worst part is they create DOUBT in the minds of those who benefit from affirmative action - they will never know if they were ACTUALLY GOOD ENOUGH.


Thank you for your remarks.

Wouldn't it be much better if there was only one standard - one colorblind standard - so that everyone who gained admission knows for sure that they deserved it??


Then NO ONE could ever doubt a resume item.


RIGHT NOW every degree from top schools HAS TO BE DISCOUNTED by some percentage to account for the fact that the person may have achieved admission based on a lower standard.

IT is sad.


Again, the worst part is the internal self-doubt affirmative action has done to people it wants to help.

Time to trash it.


Posted by: Think | April 13, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

shrink you just made my point thank you. Its called duplicity. Had HC said those exact words to $2300 S.F. supporters the Obama apologists would not only be screaming for her to immediately get out of the race but likely demanding that she slso resign her Senate seat. Thanks for that admission shrink we now know that there is absoluetly no way in h*** that any Obama supporter would be coming to her defense and explaining it away like the Obama supporters have done here since yesterday morning.
Its called Duplicity/Hypocrisy thanks for now confirming that point.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an Elitist. Maybe he should run for Mayor of SF so he can get some experience.

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Bitter?(!) Hell yeah! And, so are MOST ALL FOLKS THAT I KNOW!!! (Including GOPers!!)

I'm not even in any of those primary states and still have a relatively stable middle income!

Instead, I'M MORE BITTER AT THESE RIDICULOUS TOPICS OF DISCUSSION!

Get Real and GET OVER IT!

Posted by: DreadPirate | April 13, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Who dis his statements offend anyhow? Aside from hard core Clinton supporters and McCain it seems to me that almost everyone agrees with him.

Posted by: Brendan | April 13, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain seeks and gains endorsements of racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic preachers and the press gives him a pass.
Obama's minister gives a whacko speech a decade ago that Obama didn't know about and he gets crucified for 3 days.
McCain's wife pleads to stealing narcotics charges and the press ignores it.
Obama's wife makes a gaffe and it's a 2 day story.
And on and on and on.
The real story of thisi campaign so far is the the press has caved in to John McCain in exactly the same way that they groveled for George Bush for 6 years.

Posted by: Media Gives McCain A Pass | April 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama got into Harvard because his father went to Harvard

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Bob Casey just told Wolfe Blitzer that Sen Obama that Sen Obama will win Pa and that he knows Pa better than his critics.

Thanks for now setting the bar at an Obama win in Pa, we will hold your campaign to that threshold, Sen. Casey. And you know Pa better than, hm Gov Rendell?

and how is Sen Obama doing 24 hrs into the news cycle? The Rasmussen Reports daily Tracking Poll for Sunday April 13 shows that:

"In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Hillary Clinton has gained a one-point advantage over Obama, 46% to 45%. Obama led by a significant margin for most of the past week, but his advantage had declined slightly even before his controversial remarks from San Francisco made news."

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

10 years ago wasn't he working for Rezko while his constitutents had no heat.

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Great discussion - However I don't hear too many SOLUTIONS.


Obama has revealed his cards to America - he really does not care -


The problem is the FREE TRADE DEALS which were drawn up incorrectly - HOWEVER how many people in the media are willing to point out that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY pushed through the trade deals ????

Bill Clinton just got caught lining up lobbying contracts for his buddies on the Columbian trade deal.

If one wants to have a REAL discussion about small town America - let's here the REAL TRUTH - the democratic party has sold out small town America - Let's hear Obama say that -


All these people on these blogs praising Obama for telling the truth, what jokers.

The real truth is that the democratic party has sold out the country - AND the only time they care one bit is when they actually have to go to state (Commonwealth) like Pennsylvania and actually have to find out what is going on there.

Otherwise, Obama is too busy setting up fundraisers to care, (or even do his job in Washington)

Let's hear that truth - The deceptions on this issue are way way too thick.

Posted by: Well Well Well | April 13, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Why would an Obama supporter defend HRC?
Like, would you defend Obama if he said he brought his daughter to a place where they had to dodge sniper fire? Would you defend Obama if his wife said he was too old to remember crucial details?

Obama has the largest group of money donors in the history of politics. We won't donate money to the Clintons nor to their friends' campaigns. Can the Democrats really afford to destroy Obama's fund raising capacity? Maybe now, finally, the Democratic party will finish itself off.

No one would miss it. Seems to me the two party system is a big part of the stagnation of American politics. But it doesn't bother the parties that more Americans vote for American idol than in their elections, just so long as their candidate wins.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I have never seen a more transparently media-manufactured "controversy" than this one. CNN, Fox, et al. decided that they needed a new twist to keep the horse race interesting, so they seized upon this remark and twisted it into a "criticism of small-town Americans" and a "Small-Town Slam" (both terms used by CNN).

They've spent days now hyperventilating about this... and not once have I seen any attempt to interview actual ordinary voters from small Midwestern towns, of the type Obama was talking about, to get their views.

This is a complete crock.

Posted by: Maximus | April 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

WordsofWisdom --

Although an Obama supporter, I am afraid that you are right about the foolishness of his remarks and the damage that they will do to his campaign.

However, I do not understand your comment that "Obama is just your average smart kid who got into a college that he probably should not have." Obama did not just get into Harvard Law School; by electing him president of the Harvard Law Review, his classmates indicated that they considered him to be an intellectual superstar -- not merely worthy of being at Harvard, but unusually so. Does your comment reflect a belief that African-Americans, no matter how much they accomplish, are somehow unworthy of being admitted to schools like Harvard and can only hope to be admitted because of affirmative action? Because if so, then your comment is truly repellent, and far more offensive than anything that Obama ever has said.

Posted by: lydgate | April 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris, as usual you give a good overview.

Personally though, I think you left out something from the plus column:

This shows Obama is not afraid of stating some home truths. My guess is that the majority of Americans agree with his statements. Clinton might very well be shooting herself in the foot by jumping on this so aggressively and joining forces with McCain and GOP. I think many Democrats will side with Obama on this one and be angered over Clinton's aggressive stance.

Posted by: Brendan | April 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

MSNBC does nothing but support Obama everytime and tilt everything against Hillary. And the rest of big media give him a free ride (unless Rev Wright slaps them in the face)!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I Live in a small town in Pennsylvania Obama's comments were correct. I did not find them to be condensing or demeaning.my friends and neighbors are bitter about the way Washington has treated us.Hillary has lost my vote in fact I'm going to volunteer to work for Obama.Hillary has convinced me at last that she is willing to say anything to get elected.How dare she who split a 10 million dollar income with her husband call anyone an elitist and claim to know the pain of those of us who have to work for a living

Posted by: harry | April 13, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how in the hell Bob Casey ever got elected to any position anywhere? He is the DULLEST man I have ever heard speak. He makes me want to "cling" to my gun and blow my brains out when he speaks. Just thought I'd share that since I'm hearing him speak on CNN

Posted by: Harley | April 13, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kevrobb - "Reading the comments of those here trying to enforce the taboo on criticising the choices of the US voter, it's easy to see why America is in such a deep hole.

I predict that Americans will continue to vote for those who tell them how great they are, and America will continue its irreversible decline.

Hopefully, when you're all broke, you will at least quit starting wars all the time."

Hear, hear!!!!

Posted by: Krishna | April 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Fact:

1. I am a pissed-off bitter voter because of big companies taking away American jobs and blaming it on immigrants (I am an immigrant and I'm tired of this cynicism) . I hate calling my credit card company (Capital One) and speaking with some person in India who has to read a script and does not recognize colloquial American English.

2. Hillary needs to be really careful about branding some one as elitist because common knowledge tells me that someone who has made 109 million in the past year, is part of the Elite of our country, who has benefited from Bush's tax cuts, and who is disconnected from day to day real America.

Posted by: jlm062002 | April 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

jac13 Don't you support Obama saying we go to church because we are "bitter"? Maybe that is why Obama went to Rev Wright's church for 20 years!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Mass media takes hillary clinton spin hook line and sinker. Obama may respond to things, but he doesn't fish around for slight missteps (and the comments are barely that! they are completely reasonable, if poorly worded!!!) Look where he was 10 years ago and look where she was. Really, who is elitist?

It is no secret that the key to campaigns of old is to control the media. Recognize what Obama is doing -- don't just pick up what Hillary wants you to pick up. Does anyone outside of mass media actually care. YOU are inflating the issue via Clinton. The comments are not the bomb you are making them out to be but will become that if you keep painting them up and throwing them around again and again and again.

Posted by: samantha | April 13, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to go back to xeroxing. Other's words are a lot clearer than his. They need to hire that context interpreter quick.

Posted by: Chief | April 13, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

There's a great line from the movie "Gladiator" whereby one of the good Roman Senators comments to another, "I don't claim to be a person of the people, but I do try to be a person for the people."

Whether or not the Clintons are "elitist" (whatever that actually is by definition anymore) is not the issue, though a point of obsession for all perpetual Clinton-haters.

At least they've devoted the past 30-some years of their lives to social issues and solutions. Now some slick novice comes along and challenges their credibility - I don't think so.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are in no trouble over the Colombia and China connections... the MSM is too busy trying to trip Obama up because he dares utter a truth.... voters are bitter.

Billary sits atop their increasingly stinky mountain of $$s while Hillary playacts as a belting-shots lounge mama.

It's 3am and Hillary is sleeping it off. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring....

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | April 13, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

LOL...It's "Bad News" for the Clinton's that someone gave money to their CHARITY! WTF ever. Talking about "clinging" When you try to go after a CHARITY, you are really out of touch about what people care about.

Posted by: Harley | April 13, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

PA VOTER, Wow, you are right......this is very bad news for the Clintons.........

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clintonchina13apr13,0,499290.story

Posted by: Pasco | April 13, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, vammap, et al -

What took you so long? Were you so far down in your foxholes ducking the fallout from Hillary's NAFTA-CAFTA-Tusla lies that it took a whole day for this latest kerfuffle to reach you?

"This is the end for Obama!!" So predictable. Hillary's campaign is so embarrassingly bereft of anything positive for her to say about herself or her qualifications -- now that the "experience" argument has been shown to be completely groundless -- she has to seize on Obama's missteps to make her case. I only hope she's not successful, and I have to think that, since she's once again playing to the emotions, and not the reason, of the voters, she will fail, as she has before.

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Sunday Morning...I just watched the talking heads pontificating on the latest hyped campaign "controversary." The fact that the other candidates and media don't get it is a bigger issue.
Fact: we-the-people ARE pissed off at this government, that is supposedly there to represent our interests, but instead are devoted to their self-interest.
And Obama told the painful truth that politicians manipulate those people into voting, not for their own bread and butter needs, but things like abortion, gay marriage, prayer in school, legislated life support for the comatose, immigration, endless war based on lies, etc. I'm angry too...that people are so easily distracted from real issues. If Clinton and McCain don't get that, they are the ones out of touch.

Posted by: Joyce | April 13, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

All the Obama people on here are missing the point of why his statement offended people. It's not that we don't think the government is broken, we do. Its that we don't like someone telling a bunch of rich San Fransiscoans that we (working class) only "cling" to guns, religion, immigration and anti-trade because of that. We "cling" to those things because they mean something to us. He obviously didn't understand that or he wouldn't be playing sociologist.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman Funny thing is Obama said that he was not taken out of context but that he could have used better "WORDS"! From the great orator!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Now that we know that someone was videotaping Barack Obama's San Francisco fundraising pitch, we can be certain that everything he said will eventually appear on You Tube and not just the relatively bland snippet uncovered by Ben Smith.

That snippet is obviously a teaser to attract bids for the entire videotape, and, by now, agents of all interested parties (Hillary Clinton, John McCain and Obama himself) are undoubtedly offering big bucks to get their hands on it.

Needless to say, if the Clinton or McCain campaigns win the bidding, they'll broadcast the videotape far and wide so voters can see Obama smugly telling his well-heeled San Francisco supporters that people in small towns cling to religion because they're bitter about their economic hardships.

And, even if the Obama campaign pays top dollar for the videotape at this stage, it won't be able to suppress it permanently, because the wily seller will undoubtedly hang on to a few extra copies for an even higher priced auction at a later date.

Posted by: John D. Hartigan | April 13, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama's "bitter" remarks about American workers political feelings demonstrate two important facts.

First, he does not have a political or an economnic plan to solve the American people financial problems.

Second, It proves that his feelings towards American working people have been in the back of his brain for sometime. This is what actually happens when one has something contained in our brains. It reaches a point when those feelings come out of our minds without even want to spell them out. And that is what actually happened to Sen. Obama. This is sad, but it is reality.

Posted by: Vivaldo Latoche | April 13, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

his words just got out of order said kate.

And how did that excuse work out for the 2008 John Kerry Presidential campaign?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

It should be noted that MSNBC and CNN have been looping video footage of Hillary chasing a shot of whiskey with a pint of beer in an Indiana bar on 15 minute cycles over the last 12 hours or so. Perhaps Hillary doesn't detect bitterness among her largest constituent states simply because she is drunk.

Posted by: Here's a thought | April 13, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary voted on this war(resolution to get UN inspectors back in) to sure up her credibility to the Moderate Democrats (working class) so when she ran for President she would sure up both the left and the middle in the election and not lose like Gore and Kerry. Who knew that George Bush was an idiot and would abuse the power given to him. But wouldn't you know it, Obama comes into the race and takes the elite and the black vote and splits the party. If he wouldn't have ran we would have this nomination on lock down right now. Obama will never get working class whites and Spanish Americans against John McCain. Who do the Obama fans think they are kidding with there crap that he is the strongest candidate?

Posted by: Harley | April 13, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this time Obama followers will wake up and see what he really is about and its about time.

Posted by: Amie | April 13, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I still don't see why Obama looks like the elitist from these remarks. 82% of the country thinks we're on the wrong track, Pennsylvania and the rust belt hae been hemmoraging manufacturing jobs for years, and people at the polls and in numerous other venues have expressed deep frustration with Washington and have embraced in many cass the "government is the problem" mentality, leading to the Reagan Democrats in the first place. Obama hits this nail on the head, while Clinton and McCain trumpet that he's out of touch and claim all is well in rural America on the economic front? It sounds to me like they're the elitists who are out of touch with America.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

You go into these wealthy liberal enclaves like Pacific Heights in San Francisco, and like a lot of elite havens on both coasts they are frustrated. They have been preaching the racial and identity politics of an anti-American, national socialism for 25 years and they still haven't been able to replace the primitive values of Family, God, and Country in fly-over country. Through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, and with the control of the mainstream media and university humanities departments; these elites have been unable to get folks to give up their family values for the superiority of government social engineering; the elites have been unable to get folks to give up on that stupid God nonsense and the dangerous beliefs of faith, hope, charity, and love for the belief in an all-knowing, all-powerful big government. And don't even get the elites started on the frightening beliefs of sovereignty and national unity instead of a One World government managed by well-educated liberal bureaucrats. And the guns! How are liberal elites supposed to control the masses when they are armed and cling to outdated notions like individual freedom, self-determination, and that stupid US Constitution?

And it's not surprising then that the elites get bitter, they cling to their agenda of alternative lifestyles "education" administered to a supplicant population by powerful teachers unions. They cling to their agenda of social control, political correctness, and victimology. The elites have an antipathy to people who aren't like them and so cling or their anti-family, anti-individual, collective control sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Maybe I didn't say it as well as I should have.

Posted by: Quiet Patriot | April 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I think that Obama hasn't gone far enough, yet. I think he needs to apologize for the misplaced words. His rebuttal is really what he meant when he made the first remarks, his words just got out of order and it came off as somewhat condescending, especially if you take it out of context like Hillary and McCain are doing. In addition to his apology, Obama should give a speech (like his Wright speech) about what is really happening to small town America.

But his basic premise is correct in that people in small town America have given up any hope that the government is going to do anything about the financial plight they see themselves in, so they vote for things like gays, abortion and guns. They have been voting against their own best financial interests for many years now. Perhaps now, with us in a recession heading for a depression caused by the Republicans, maybe they will finally vote for their pocketbook rather than their prejudices.

Posted by: Kate Henry | April 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

All the Obama people on here that are complaining about taking things "out of context."

Curious how they could believe that a tape recoding is taken out of context. Should we not believe his own words now? And if there is a video should we not believe that either?

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone read this one? First Columbia, now China.....


http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clintonchina13apr13,0,499290.story

Posted by: Virginian | April 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

2004 Obama stated that his position on Iraq was the same as George W Bush!!!
(to the NY times)

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

vammap you said you believe there is a video and a possible utube moment. If they were taken by Obama $2300 contributors rather than independent journalists wouldn't it be unlikely they would release it. Curious if they were advised to hit their delete buttons before the media asked for copies?

seems like a simple immediate statement I screwed up and that is not what was in my heart would have gone a long way to establish his humility something lacking, and quickly defused the story, but seems like they would rather just keep digging the hole, until they finally relent.

Someone(please tell me it was not mark in Austin) here posted they thought this was a plus for Sen Obama; in what parallel universe is that and then they predictably lashed out at CC and blamed HC in effect for the story. Curious now how HC is to blame for an Obama screwup did she go up to him and tell him to say those words to hiswealthy supporters? The Huffington Post and the Obama campaign sat on this story for 6 days. The fact that they did not even understand the explosiveness of what was said should alert us to their candidate's tone deafness since he now brashly claims that he is the one who knows and understands Pa values like he also told SF fundraisers he knows foreign policy and doesn't need help on that score with a VP choice.

One more time I am waiting to hear an Obama supporter proclaim they would be defending HC today if she had made that exact same statement to S.F. $2300 supporters. Its now 48 hours since I first asked that question, without a response.

Posted by: Leichtman | April 13, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Hard-woking, honest americans: DO NOT BE FOOLED by these charlatan politicians.
Clinton and McCain are playing for the same team.

Statements coming from those two regarding "elitism" and being "out of touch" with working americans are outrageous.

Hillary's portraying herself as a woman "of the people" would be amusing, were it not so blatantly dishonest and cynical.

THIS TIME, please vote smart.

Posted by: TX Independent | April 13, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

There is a video of this somewhere. All the Sunday talk shows were talking about it. That will be PRICELESS

Posted by: Harley | April 13, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama didn't speak "the truth". How does he know that what he said about people in small towns is true? His statement is based solely on what he "believes to be true" about those people and about their motivations and emotions. Based on what fact? Based on what research? Based on what interviews with those people? Who does this remind you of?: do we want another George Bush in office?: He believes something to be true...therefore, it is?
Obama point of view IS elite, otherwise he would never have made such a statement about such a diverse number of people about diverse subjects: religion/guns/etc.
How tidy. Watch out for pat answers to complicated questions...especially from a potential president. It could lead us into an even bigger mess than we're in now.
EVERYONE is bitter...not just small town people. And everyone has the right to be, with the way our country has been depleted of its strength and economic resources, global humiliation because of our bad choices, total disregard for what the armed service personnel have been put through, lack of accountability on the part of our administration, and downright disdain for our political traditions, not to mention lack of regard for the citizens of this country in multiple ways.
We don't need another president telling us what the "truth" is, unless it is based on fact.
Small town people are just like big town people, various and different and each an individual with individual beliefs and motivations.
And they talk about a "racist America"? What kind of "racism" is this that Obama is buying into?
His remarks show a lack of understanding of the diversity in this country and in all people from everywhere.
And that is surprising coming from someone who is supposed to have this so-called "broad view of things".

Posted by: Julie | April 13, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

tydicea Why don't you explain it to us typical bitter white folk!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

His problem isn't Clinton. His problem is that he's pretty much guaranteed (if he hadn't already) that he loses the general election. He has fed right into every stereotype the Republicans will throw at him: elitist, overly-liberal, an African-American connected to angry liberals and angry African-Americans, with a wife who has virtually declared she was always ashamed of America. Nominating this guy is utter insanity, but from the party that brought us McGovern and Carter, not a big surprise.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 13, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

So, Fox News says that Obama is afraid to come on their show. Is this true?

How can Obama be trusted to stand up to a nuclear armed China and Iran if he's too afraid to go on a talking head news show?

It can't be because he thinks they are too conservative, as his whole campaign is supposed to be about some post-partisan utopia.

Posted by: JD | April 13, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

All the Obama people on here that are complaining about taking things "out of context" Where were you when the media and Obama was calling the Clinton's racist? I didn't see you "using you heads" then? Everyone in this country knows that Bill and Hillary Clinton are not racist yet the media and the Obama campaign couldn't wait to get that "race card" out to bash the Clinton's and anyone else who dared talk about race, over the head with it.

Posted by: Harley | April 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

How much do you think the Macaca vedio was worth in Septmber of 2006? It was only a Senate seat - $2 million maybe?

Posted by: dabster | April 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

If you want to know why this was so damaging, just look at several of the comments here.

"He just told the truth...."

No, he didn't. People don't go to church every Sunday because they are "bitter."

The only people who think that is "true" also buy into "religion is the opiate of the masses."

If by speaking truth, you mean he unintentionally revealed his bigotry, well, then, I guess you have a point........

Posted by: Don | April 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PA VOTER | April 13, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

How much do you think those videos of the O-man's SF, CA fundraiser are worth?

As much as he earned from the fundraiser? or 1000xs more?

How much do you think the O-man's campaign is offering right now to buy and destroy the tapes?

Do you think he can buy them all? He's got a boat load of money.

Do you think he's offering more than the GOP to buy them ?

If the GOP gets their hands on a copy, do they

a.) turn it over to the media asap?
b.) hold onto it until Oct.?
c.) use it to blackmail the O-man?

If the videos suface in the next few weeks, how long will it be until he

a.) begs HRC to be her VP?
b.) writes another book about his wonderful life?
c.) takes a job with a Wall St. law frim?

I'm guessing these tapes are worth $10 million now, during the primary. And, at least $25 million if he gets the Dem's nod in Denver.

Posted by: dabster | April 13, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

i get a kick out of you libs that keep saying hillary is a repub, or hillary is just like karl rove. hillary is a flaming liberal just like obama and the only reason that the dems won in 06 is because of george bush backing amnesty for illegals. america doesn't want the dems taxes or property confication or bizarre forms of behavior made normal. you libs lie about each other just like you do about everything else. its all about powerfor you guys,not about right and wrong. its liberal facism.

Posted by: gary | April 13, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chris:

A really honest assessment from a person who LIVES in Western PA:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/bitter-and-angry-in-rural-penn.php

Well worth a read!

Posted by: Dari | April 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

LOL...You go on "Tim Russert" and talk about this like its not that big a deal. You obviously live in the city. You need to call someone in the middle of Pennsylvania and ask them how they liked having there reasons for attending church and owning guns questioned. I know here in Alabama, we didn't care for it.

Posted by: G H Webb | April 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Taken entirely out of context was this man's words. There is a lot of bitterness out there in this country, for many reasons and not just in small town America. People need to grow up and stop paying lip service to wanting the truth only to despise the messenger when they hear it. Anyone of reasonable intellect understands exactly what Obama said or was trying to say.

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

what the pundits are not paying attention to is obama is not getting the white blue collar voters(before the remarks--he's black and as ed rendell said whites in pa are not going to vote for a black candidate) however i think is obama handles this well and focuses on the anger and bitterness of blue collar voters he may have a chance to dialog with blue collar voters that he had not been able to reach--bottom line he was not getting the guns and religion voters anyway

Posted by: william | April 13, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Sen. Clinton was actually making a very serious point about the "3 AM" scenario. That's the stuff that gave Reagan nightmares. That's only equal to four words no president ever wants to hear: "We need the codes"

Electing a President must be a serious decision by every citizen. I for one want someone solid and capable to answer that phone. I'm electing a leader, not a pin-up.

Posted by: Politiguru | April 13, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a dead duck. I'm sure next week he will again speak from his pulpit and repair his words. A fish is always caught through the mouth. Obama is a young politician too ambitious to become President who has not proven himself as a junior Senator. He divides his party and have no chance of winning in fall for he is perceived to divide this country, if ever he becomes a President.

Posted by: Edwin G. | April 13, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't the word implied mean open for interpretation. I find it amusing that most people in PA agree with Obamas words even thought they could have been a little more artful. I also find McCain and Clinton calling Mr. Obama an elitist to be one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

Posted by: Robert | April 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

My belief is that if people in a small town actually read the full text of Obama's comment, or hear or see a recording of it, they will be so focused at how pitch-perfect his description of the way these people have been pandered to during elections and forgotten once the candidate is in office, they're not going to care about his stupid use of the word, "cling."

If you read the quote, and stop before he foolishly ventures into amateur sociology, it shows that he really,really gets these people's frustration.

Yes, I am an Obama supporter, but I was very troubled by the reports of this statement and the clips of the text that were reported. THEN I READ THE WHOLE THING.

As with a lot of other flaps we've seen in this campaign, you can't judge from internet posts. We politics junkies have to remember that we're really in a bubble. The blog-post predictions of the death knell for each campaign from the Wright and Tusla blow-ups were not borne out by the polls. None of us knows what effect this will have, but I suspect that "insult" or "empathy" will be in the ear of the listener, depending on whether the person is pro-Clinton or pro-Obama. I do know that the pundits I've heard so far are mostly affected in their reaction by their own loyalties or predispositions.

There's no question that this is a media-Clinton-McCain concoction. Only time will tell if it resonates outside the chattering-class/internet echo chamber.

Posted by: jac13 | April 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Amazing. Simply amazing. The right-wing echo chamber treats a valid explanation of how Republicans exploit wedge issues as an insult to the very people it was meant to help, and idiots like Cillizza parrot it as if it were a crime.

Posted by: Michael English | April 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It's strange, but people resent being called bitter, even though they are. My job takes me to towns like Cumberland MD, Zanesville OH, Huntington WV, and Reading PA, and I can attest that working class people ARE bitter about economic conditions and the lack of fair play and fair pay. In fact, I think it goes beyond bitter to something more. People cling to a basic belief that the U.S. is the best country in the world, but at the same time the very same person expressing that basic belief will voice his anger at sending jobs overseas, corrupt politicians, executive pay, an entertainment media with no apparent moral bearings, the numbers of illegal immigrants, and there being no real difference between the Republican and Democratic Parties because both are corrupt and in the pocket of special interests.

People may not like being called bitter, but they will readily admit to being angry - very angry. But there is a fatalistic resignation to the brooding anger, an acceptance that this is the way things have been since the late 1970s, this is the way things are, and this is the way things will be, because nobody in power is talking about most of the the problems, let alone a solution, in any other way than a means of corralling votes.

So this whole controversy basically comes down to Obama having used the word "bitter" instead of the word "angry." Which is simply more proof of how out of touch U.S. elites are with the working class.

Posted by: akw123 | April 13, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Yop let's talk also about James Carville.
But I travel a lot in parts of the U.S and can tell you I hear lots of bitterness (after 7 years of record spending and else)around and if people were a bit more honnest they would agree in part of Mr.Obama's speech, but they are to proud to admit it. I do feel bitter sometimes when I see what this administration is doing to our country. Wake up America let's hear the truth it can only make us stronger.

Posted by: John | April 13, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Hillarys talks about not disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida. Then she says its perfectly acceptable for a group of elite super delagates to over rule the will of the people. As if these 800 super delagates are better qualified to pick the president than the general public.

Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Outside of some of the above comments we don't know if Obama's "bitter" speech actually offended any number of small town voters. Not that it matters if the opposition can run with it.

As for charges that Obama is an elitist like Kerry, how many would see an African American as an "elitist"?

Posted by: Walter Casey | April 13, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Hillary's new slogan should be:

"RICH, BUT NEVER BITTER!"

(With apologies to Folger's coffee.)

But, of course, that might raise the question: How did the Clintons' get rich?

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | April 13, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

We're paying out the a$$ for a war that was totally unnecessary. Gas prices are at an all-time high. Healthcare costs are soaring. Budget cuts are pushing higher education down the sh!tter. Our planet is dying a slow, painful death. Our guys and gals are being shot at in Iraq. The majority of the world hates us. Illegal immigrants are waltzing across our borders. Job prospects after graduation are bleak. My generation might not have any social security after retirement. BUT NO! I AM NOT BITTER! I'M HAVING THE TIME OF MY F*CKING LIFE!!!

Posted by: vmunikoti | April 13, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters in MI stopped the revote by demanding that Rep who already voted be allowed to vote again in the Dem primary!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The idea that in pointing out people who have lost their jobs to outsourcing, who are being blamed for the mortgage crisis, who are the scapegoats for the errors of corporate America, who are being forced to pay the human burden of George Bush's failed war, Obama is then labeled as am elitist is absurd. The fact the press has so eagerly picked up this thread and knitted a suit out of it is a great example of how far from the real America the press now is.

Posted by: larry | April 13, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Now the republicans can make this loser a senator like they did for Mel Martinez, another terrible housing secretary.

Posted by: truth1 | April 13, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

It's 3 O'clock in the morning, the phone rings and..

Hillary Answers the phone....
"We have the votes for universal health care? Good ... haven't slept since I failed last time..."

McCain Answers the phone..
"No, no, don't worry about calling so late. I spent 5 years getting my nails pried lose by the vietnamese at this hour..."

Obama Answers the phone...
"Brother Wright, it's for you!" (Brother Wright: "God Damn The Phone Caller!")

ANYONE BUT OBAMA '08

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"...one of the biggest events in the campaign to date"? You should be ashamed of yourself, Mr. Cillizza. You actually call yourself a journalist?

Posted by: rory | April 13, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

If Obama cares so much about the economic downturn and public and/or voter angst in the Rust Belt and other areas cited, then why doesn't he talk more about his ideas and his campaign platform?

He didn't even bother to get his name on the Michigan primary ballot?

Also, why isn't he voicing more interest in voter disenfranchisement like Hillary is? Not for her own sake, but for what happened in 2000 and Gore's formula of throwing in a good fight before done.

No, Hillary might not be everyone's cup of tea, but at least she's not poisoned (bitter) cool aid.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Hillary should keep her mouth shut on this.. Her Bosnia false statement. Her statement against NAFTA which everyone should know she and Bill backed to the hilt when Bill was President. Someone makes an idiotic statement and she jumps all over, forgetting the lies and fabrications that come out her mouth.

Posted by: satchnthesaint@verizon.net | April 13, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

If Obama cares so much about the economic downturn economy and public and/or voter angst in the Rust Belt and other areas cited, then why does he not talk more about his ideas and his campaign platform?

He didn't even bother to get his name on the Michigan primary ballot?

Also, why is he not voicing more interest in voter disenfranchisement like Hillary is? Not for her own sake, but for what happened in 2000 and Gore's formula of throwing in a good fight before it's done.

No, Hillary might not be everyone's cup of tea, but at least she's not poisoned (bitter) cool aid.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

You can read the David Axelrod Blackberry manipulation in every article written about this. IT appears the liberal media are having conference calls with Axelrod figuring how to spin this to Obama's benefit. I think they settled on that people are bitter. No one took offense at bitter, but at the cling to comments.

The censorship is apparent in the newspapers in PA. They aren't even putting it on the front page. Thus, these newspaper people scratch their heads at declining circulation and advertising. The media just doesn't get it. People are fair, and the bias for Obama is very, very unfair.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

We go to church to praise God and to raise ourselves up. We do not go to church because we are bitter. Unlike Obama and Rev Wright!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I live in a small town (72 people) and "We are not bitter people!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey Obambi, who will you insult next? You have insulted pretty much every living being on earth. Only wife and daughters left. Have a feeling I won't have to wait long before you take them down. You wanna be a President that bad, huh? You know, you need to be a human being for that...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Do you think the bitter quote will replace the one about Pennsylvania, from Clinton friend Carville?

Posted by: Ross | April 13, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Typical white bitter person. Now Obama can blame it on them (they)why he lost PA. Obama did say that we go to church because we are "bitter"!

Posted by: WHERE THE BEEF? | April 13, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters continue to insist that small towns of midwest are indeed bitter. They don't think it possible that people can be struggling and still have grace. It boggles the mind of Obamabots to imagine that those struggling people infact might be carrying on because they are hopeful. Because, you see, Obama invented hope and it is simply impossible that people could have been hopeful before him. It is impossible that they should be a hopeful lot if they are not voting for him. God damn the small towns of USA. They just don't get him.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

New Obama campaign slogan:

"BITTERNESS WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

.
HILLLARY TOOK THE BAIT


The Obama campaign is allowing this story to grow, before it responds BIG TIME.

HILLARY TOOK THE BAIT

...now she's going to get the knock-out punch.
.


OBAMA'S RESPONSE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow
.

Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I have hopped around the web through out the weekend..Reading as many blogs as possible to get a good pulse of how this has developed since "Huffpost" broke the story..
If this actually affects Obama , then we truly are a bunch of dumb hicks.

Clinton saying he is "Elitist" as well as "Beer husband heir"..claiming as well..kills me..These multi-millionaire candidates..(yes, Obama has made some money selling books)Out of the three candidates who is closest to the every day citizens foundations?
Who represents "America" most? The POW? America's first Operator in chief who can answer a phone at 3 am? Or a man of mixed race , raised by a single mother? Honestly..in today's society which one of these three is an embodiment of America?
Americans SHOULD be BITTER.
For the past 7 years I have felt hopelessness at how the country I have known for over 40 years has become a shadow of it's former self..
Mostly because we got SCARED one day in September of 2001...We turned to our faith because of the sadness and loss of life...we turned to our guns ..to ensure our safety because FEAR was the Sesame Street word of the day..everyday for about 3 years.

Since then we have forgotten how important our every day freedoms are.
The freedom of LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of Happiness...
How many "Happy" people are there? With polling numbers of (I might be wrong) over 80% of Americans believe we are moving in the wrong direction..consumer confidence at another low point..How can either Clinton or McCain say we are optimistic? Who are the ones out of touch?
In the end Chris, I HOPE that we are not as stupid as we were 4 years ago..I hope that this helps Obama because he was speaking straight and being honest..something so foreign to our politics that we should be "Happy" to see come about..
Stand strong Barack..a LOT of us are BITTER & ANGRY and it's about damned time we stopped being so quiet about it!

Posted by: goddesscon2001 | April 13, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I thought Obama's comments were another example of him speaking to voters as if they were adults ... as if we could acknowledge the country's problems without calling into question our loyalty.

It will be disappointing if he backtracks completely into backside-covering doublespeak now that Hillary and McCain have tag-teamed him with standard campaign mediocrity.

Posted by: KPinSEA | April 13, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Following up my 8:59A and 11:01A posts, MTP dropped the "WJC-on-HRC-in-Bosnia-she-was-tired-and-60 and-60" to second lead.

BHO gave HRC a big gift.

I am so seldom so completely correct.:-)

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

In all the hubub over alleged "elitism," "condescension," speaking truth to the powerful, anti-religion, etc., I've failed to see one commentator note the hypocrisy embedded in Obama's remark about TRADE. After riding Clinton vis. NAFTA all through the Ohio primary, how does clinging protectionism suddenly become a mark of impoverished, semi-rural "bitterness"? That's playing two side of the street (or dirt road) ... something already obvious from the Canadian flap/flip, but now more nakedly revealed. (Sidebar: the other side of "great oratory" is often an inability to remember what you said from occasion to occasion.)

Posted by: KWB | April 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Why does the media slam someone for telling the truth? Obama is just telling the truth and the people are afraid of the truth. Clinton will ride this comment and try to make something out of it that's not there. She's an opportunist looking to mask the real issues facing Pennsylvania. Blue-collar workers are struggling to come to terms with what happened to them in this country in terms of loss of jobs and minimal opportunities. Clinton will cling to this comment because she can't tell the truth from the lies she stands by - she's a NAFTA supporter. It doesn't matter that she doesn't tell the truth and hasn't a grip on the issues and continues to lie to America, promising anything to get the vote. What's the movie line . . . you want the truth but you can't handle the truth? This line is so fitting. Obama has had an up hill climb in Pennsylvania because the powers-that-be want more of the old politics than embrace the new change of Obama. God help our country lest we slip back into the era of Clintonism with Billary.

Posted by: GiveMeABreak | April 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

While answering a question about Pennsylvania's primary, Senator Obama said, voters are bitter about twenty-five years of decline and neglect. He also stated they cling to "guns, religion, and antipathy toward people who don't look like them" to explain their frustrations. The media and his rivals promptly jumped on these few words and accused him of being condescending or out of touch.

Once again the electorate is subjected to the old "bait and switch" tactic beloved of a sensationalist media and political charlatans. They focus on words taken out of context and obscure the substance of the Senator's comment. He identified the real despair and sense of abandonment that torments many residents of the so called "rust belt" states including Pennsylvania. He noted that many such persons turn to other things to explain their difficulties and ease their pain. He did not accuse or condemn people. He expressed his impression of a discernible and distressing reality that scars the body politic.

Until we stop evading the unfortunate and ugly truths that many people have been abused and aggrieved by politics as usual, we will never confront and solve the severe inequities and savage inequalities of contemporary American life. It is high time for us to care for those who have borne the brunt of the battle and bind up the nation's wounds. All is not well, but with candor, courage, and compassion we can make things better.

Posted by: Valeroso2008 | April 13, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I grew up in a small town. There is fear and loathing among my African American friends. They know most people in those areas own firearms and they think they are populated with hateful rednecks. One told me he used to drive around the area where I grew up. I asked where he went when he came up there.

"I never got out of the car."

Posted by: Ed | April 13, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chris,if I were you,don't give up your
day job here at the Obama Post,in hopes that your clearly bias Pro Barack Obama
drivel will get Pathological Liar and Big
Time Panderer Obama to make you his White
House Press Secretary as first of all there
is no way now that Barack Hussein Obama will ever be elected President and you have
the wrong skin color to boot here Chris so
go beg Fred Hiatt to keep you working here
at the Washington Post unless you want to
turn Obama's Blender on and off,instead...

And next time back your drivel up with some
accurate actual numbers instead of bias
Obama BS Drivel okay?

Posted by: sandy5274 | April 13, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The firestorm over Obama's "bitter" remark is another indication of the lack of real differences between Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama. It's all about personality. This is a non-issue. All of our politicians will claim not to be elitist, but they're part of an elite class. They're richer (often ridiculously so), better educated, know powerful people like themselves, and were raised more privileged than most Americans (yes, even Barak Obama). It's hard to keep the elitism from showing, given those circumstances. The best elitists, however, will at least attempt to listen to those who elected them. We can only hope that the next one we elect is the one who'll actually do that.

Posted by: rmpatera | April 13, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

This is another troubling incident which goes to prove that the insatiably Obama-biased press are continuing to force-feed America a naïve empty suit with severely questionable associations.

"Mr. Bitter" is a bitter pill indeed. Hillary isn't perfect, but at least she's strong and optimistic medicine who will get the job done to cure the past eight years.

Posted by: Politiguru | April 13, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

In 2004, Ohioans voted against their own economic interests and voted Bush over Kerry. Ohio's economy is a joke right now. Ohioans turned out in droves to keep gay marriage illegal in Ohio. Bush won in 2000 and 2004 because of these so-called "values" voters who didn't mind Bush taking them into Iraq and putting the USA $9 trillion in debt, or totally ignoring Katrina victims, just for starters.

Posted by: Barack was correct | April 13, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

At 8:59A I wrote that BHO had given HRC the gift of taking the focus off WJC's unflattering remarks about his wife, the candidate.

Both Stephanopoulis and Schieffer dropped the WJC remarks to secondary status on their talkfests, proving me a prophet.

However, Schieffer asked Speaker Pelosi if she thought WJC was trying to UNDERMINE HRC's campaign!

Nah.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

This whole scandal goes to show that the American people really don't want change in politics. They want the same old same old. If they didn't, why would this stupid attack on Obama work?

Posted by: mahmud010 | April 13, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I disagree that the fact that there is no video of Obama's original statement available on the internet is a "plus." The fact that we are hearing about it indirectly through sources that are distorting the content is precisely why it has become an issue. If the video were available, we could all see it and get an assessment for ourselves of what Obama really meant, rather than this Orwellian Big Brother telling-us-how-to-interpret-it summary of the events.

Since we don't have that video, however, we have to rely on secondary sources. There is the video of Obama's speech in Indiana yesterday, however, where he explained what he meant by his comments. Here's a link in case you missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

Posted by: Just the Truth Please | April 13, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I believe and so do many of my friends that Obama is absolutely correct. I am Letter Carrier in Beverly, Ma and a member of a very large union (NALC}. We work very hard and find it extremely difficult just to make ends meet with the oil companies gouging us. I have 4 mouths to feed sometimes I must make decisions betwween food and heat. Yes I am damn bitter that the fat cats in D.C. and their mentors, big business, could give a damn how we suffer. I know so many friends who have lost their homes and who gets bailed out the fat cat bankers.People are getting very bitter and you news reporters Yahoo and others have a field day trying to bring down someone who has the guts to speak the truth. And yes, you and I mean Yahoo and others do it to make money.If you really wanted to serve your readers you would take a stand and loud anyone who might want to actually tell the truth. Yes we are bitter very very very very very bitter. And their more of us every day!!!!!!

Posted by: Robert H. Hardenbrook | April 13, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Bye Bye Barack!!!

U-S-A, USA! USA! USA!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

MarkInAustin:

You're absolutely right -- if the media weren't talking about BHO's "bitter" remark, they'd be talking about the resurrection of HRC's Bosnia comments by WJC. Not only that, but now HRC can go on attack and further bury her husband's remarks. It amazes me how tone-deaf WJC has been during this campaign. I always remembered him as an excellent campaigner.

The "truth" here in central PA is that at least one of the R candidates for my CD seems to think that the way to winning the primary is through an anti-immigration platform, judging by his TV ads.

Posted by: mnteng | April 13, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

@@@@@@@@

Chris,

Did you really write an
article called 'Scoring
Bittergate?'

Talk about piling on.
The Wapo has
slammed Obama
all week.

Guess we're not
going to get a
game changer as
POTUS. The big
white media has
got its orders.

Click those heels
and say yes sir.
More war.
Higher oil costs

At any cost!

@@@@@@@@@

Posted by: KlintonKoolaid | April 13, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Last night on the largest PA newshow at 11pm they said 2/3 of the comments to the station were in defense of Obama. Are PA folks with no jobs bitter?, yeah!!!!

Posted by: michaelinphilly | April 13, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Words of Wisdom-- You say Obama's "black anger makes him dislike small towns." That's absurd. When did he express "black anger" and when did he say he "dislikes small towns"? He was raised in a white family with roots in small-town Kansas so he's not an outsider. And there is nothing elite about his family background. Your conclusions are baseless.

Posted by: Christine | April 13, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton - as usual- has overreached

Most people will find it hard to believe someone who just filed $109million in income over the last few years is more "grounded" than someone who paid off their student loans five years ago

Most people who have lost their jobs, are struggling with gas prices etc are frustrated an are bitter

Obama spoke the truth - and deep down that reasonates with people and feeds into his different kind of politics

The attack would be typical coming from the Republicans - the problem is the more mean spirited attack is coming from a fellow democrat -- and once again Hillary Clinton shows she puts her own ambition over the best interest of her party

The Clinton campaign is driving this story when the issues this week s/b about the duplicity of Bill/Hillary and Mark Penn -- and what their personal fortunes are at a polar opposite to the better interests of the very people they claim to care about

Next up: an ad with Hillary Clinton as Annie Oakley

YEE HAW!

Posted by: alison | April 13, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey where's the beef - you are just making up comments. Obama never said "we only go to church because we are bitter." If you're going to post something for discussion in quotes, make sure you quote accurately. What you have done is paraphrased, and you have done so very inaccurately. Let me correct you, because it makes it big difference. Obama said that people in places like rural parts of Pennsylvania are bitter about the fact that their jobs have been shipped overseas despite promises to address economic issues by both Democrats and Republicans, and as a result, have instead focused their votes on things that they care about that they feel like they still have control of, such as the right to bear arms and the gay marriage issue. The statement assumes that these people already went to church BEFORE becoming bitter.

Posted by: Where's your brain? | April 13, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What was it James Baker said about Jewish voters so many years ago? (for anyone not familiar it rhymes with luck.)

Point is, whose vote is Obama going to lose here? I am guessing he hasn't polled very well among the gun-toting,xenophobic evangelical bloc anyway.

Of course some of the media have gotten that "thrill up their leg" and seem to be painting Obama's statement as a possible campaign breaker. Next time they poll NRA members and Christian households on immigration and race relations maybe they should ask those surveyed what the statements meant to them.

Obama will lose a few points in PA and probably Indiana among blue collar voters. It was an uphill battle recruiting those votes anyway and he has for now at least, blown it. However, if The Clinton campaign is desperate or idiotic enough to go with what Clinton said this weekend, and recast Hillary yet again, this time as one of the girls out of Archie, that chuckling, sucking sound they hear will be the last of the educated suburban vote laughing as they walk away for good.

Posted by: circuslion | April 13, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

What exactly is the truth that Obama is supposed to have told? That blue-collar, white, small-town American workers are bitter at their economic situation? That's a no-brainer ... even Bush with a little assistance might have reached the same conclusion.

No, Obama has actually voiced two far more profound opinions. One, he explicitly links the economic downturn with specific "right-of-centre" views these people may be holding with regard to race, guns, faith and immigration, as if these views don't have an origin independent of economic status. Two, it is his belief that this is precisely why he, a left-wing Liberal, is unable to connect with them. He seems to be bemoaning the fact that non-young constituencies are not buying into his message specifically because they are "bitter" and, in effect, abandoning them. Both these opinions are asinine.

I am not American and so am not a partisan. But a foreignor would expect an American President to have a certain analysis acumen. And Obama, by his comments at a private fund-raiser in San Francisco, America's most liberal city, has dispalyed an inadequate intellectual ability.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

This whole flap is unbelievable! We are enagaged in an endless war that is costing thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, our economy is in ruins, we have run up a huge debt to China...but do we hear anything about these matters?

Wake up America! Is this election really about "bitter" and "clinging"? Come Inauguration Day 2009, will you think this "controversy" was important? Will you think about it at all?

I suspect we will all be thinking about rising fuel and food prices, holding onto our homes and our jobs, and getting out of Iraq. Hopefully, we will have elected a President who is focused on solving these urgent problems.

Posted by: NH_Hick | April 13, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I think Obama is right, and I think his comments are refreshing.

Clinton and McCain seem out of touch and elitist to me.

Posted by: Jon | April 13, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I work in Pennsylvania as a consultang and I can tell you about the bitterness going on in that state... Obama is telling the truth when he describes the bitterness in these people, I live in Georgia and while alot is happening with the economy here also there is bitterness also in the small towns where layoffs at factories here and companies shutdown are taking it's tolls also.

Elitist? Please I guess these Pennsylvanians can still read a newspaper or an online site to read how Clintons have made over 100 million and claim they have some apathy to the average Joe in these small towns?

Posted by: Nick R. | April 13, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm amused at all the Hillary and McCain supporters (they seem to be one in the same these days) and how their comments inveribly include references to Rev. Wright fiasco. They just can't resist!

Well, all's fair in love and war. So my response to them is:

Whatever Obama does, and he's certainly not perfect.....but he doesn't lie over and over again. This is a true character flaw and should be seen as just what it is. Hillary and Bill have been in the White House, (I voted for Bill twice), but I can't envision another 4 years+ of drama.....drama we don't need, thank you. I also would like to have someone else with new ideas, new perspectives, and new blood. Let's move forward not go backward to the Clinton era....it's time.

Posted by: Peg | April 13, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

What Obama said was true, he could of used different words, but it is still true. People are bitter, they are tired of this non-sense politics. I guess the truth hurts for some people. The Elitist comment is totally ridiculous, he is anything but elitist, he is the poorest of all the candidates, and he has the bottom-up campaign funded by the people, not washington lobbyist. People need to get a grip on reality here.

Posted by: sjxylib | April 13, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The biggest plus for Obama is not listed - it exposes Clinton's desperation. Her full throated attack of a fellow Democrat blends her with McCain and plays directly into Obama's criticism that she'll say anything to get elected. Suddenly acting like Annie Oakley in the face of this breaking story is one of the saddest episodes from the Clinton Camp to date. I was Bill Clinton's strongest supporter, even through the Lewinsky debacle - I would never vote for Clinton now. I hope she loses her senate seat next time around.

Posted by: dmstern | April 13, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

CC,

You're a wonderful stylist as a writer, but c'mon, cut the crap.

There is bitterness, frustration and agression among Americans, and the politcal frustration-agression hypothesis ought to be axiomatic among serious political analysts.

You write that you try to provide "some clarity on the issue," and then call this faux issue a "firestorm," begging the question from whence the storm is raging.

No serious mass of people in Penn are storming and upset about what serious writers know to be true as Obama has indicated ever so briefly in a comment.

Posted by: Michael Leon | April 13, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign is having supporters across Pennsylvania endorse his statements by signing onto a letter that talks about the bitterness Pennsylvanians feel toward Washington politicians.

Check out this link:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/m/f0e69ec602fae336/pra3tR/VEsE/

Posted by: peter | April 13, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I am convinced that this tempest in a teapot will be reverend Wright - lite. His ultimate ability to stay inside 10 points in PA, romp in NC and win close in IN will end Hillary's bloodletting, party ravaging campaign and she will sign on as a McCain advisor, where her true talents lie.

Hillary is a Republican in sheeps clothing, and this campaign verifies that. She and Karl Rove should be BFFs.

Posted by: Rafe | April 13, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"We're a long,long way from Harry Truman's lean post presidential years because he wouldn't do anything that might reflect poorly on the American presidency."

It was a shorter and more precipitous drop while in office from Reagan, who would not take his suit coat off in the Oval Office out of respect, to the blue dress stainer.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

This should be a non-story, but it is being turned into a story. It provides a haven for Senator Clinton, by changing the media focus from Columbia-NAFTA-$800,000 profit -gate and Bosnia-gate.

As for McCain, he has stakes in the continuation of the pro-corporate/big money policies of the Republicans, while appealing to the general public through politics of fear and alienation. It is true that democratic candidates' policies are undermined by the Republican machine, precisely because they have been successfully in elevating minor differences in the electorate over religion, culture and race. Elections have become more about guns and religion then economic justice or whether the government should actively invest and equip its people so that they can effectively compete in the global markets.

The political dialogue should be about how to make America competitive. It should be about the economy. It should be about how to turn around deteriorating living standard. It should be about how to tackle loss of high paying manufacturing jobs and the lack of "Marshall Plan." Now that we have the business process outsourcing, the white collar jobs will continue to be lost as well.

People have the right to be bitter. What they need is an activist government that is not beholden to lobbyists. We need a plan to re-tool the American people and make them technologically competative. We need investment in the infrastructure and health care so that business can be competitive. Most importantly, we need a "new deal for the new century," so that we can invest heavily in education and technical training.

McCain is McSame in that it will be continue the same old emphasize on wars and addressing only the interest of corporate America, in the old style. A competitive highly educated and skilled American worker will benefit corporations as well. McSame so far offers no knew policies or approaches.

Obama needs to continue redefining the political dialogue. It is interesting that he is the only candidate who does not take PAC money from lobbyist and he has been successful in terms of campaign finances. This is big and a first.

Posted by: ZAZ | April 13, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Year after year we are faced with this choice: will we vote in ways that improve our lives or will we allow phony hearted political hacks to swing us around by our prejudices. So far, we've chosen fairly consistently to be used and abused as we vote in the ways that they manipulate us to vote. But it is a choice. They count on us to stay asleep. If America wasn't asleep, the Bush administration could not have done the anti-American things it has done i.e. war against an innocent country, torture by any other name, corrupt multi billion dollar war business in Halliburton, mercenaries who murder and still get new contracts like Blackwater, etc. They count on us to vote against our own interests and they count on us to be too dumb to know we're doing it. We can choose again and make our lives better if we want to. Is there anyone anywhere who comes from a place in America where the jobs have all gone to foreign countries who isn't aware that people are angry and frightened? Being angry doesn't mean we aren't patriotic, hardworking Americans. In my little town, people do "cling" more to our right to own guns when we feel threatened. We do pray more when we're scared. This isn't rocket science, nor is it demeaning. This is America in what could be it's death throes if we don't stop chasing every little red wagon that political hacks like Clinton and McCain trail around in front of us. Forget about words like bitter and cling. Think hard about words like NAFTA, Columbia free trade deal, 8 other free trade deals Mrs. Clinton has voted for, Bill as lobbyist for for foreign big money---a former president lobbying our congress for foreign companies whose interests are not in America's best interest. There's something to think about. We're a long,long way from Harry Truman's lean post presidential years because he wouldn't do anything that might reflect poorly on the American presidency.

Posted by: karela | April 13, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

There is a lot of bitterness in not-only rural PA.

I'm one of three boys who grew up in the Bronx. My oldest brother died of renal failure because he missed his Monday dialysis session because he had to wait all day at the Medicaid office. My living other older brother dropped out of high school to go to auto-mechanic school. He's built a good business. However, he lost a large part of his business to China imports on custom fabrication of exhaust parts. He spends 1,300-1,500 a month for health insurance for his family. He had to leave College Point Queens for Raleigh NC, because Queens became too expensive.

He's very bitter against our government.

As for myself, I squeaked through high school, went to community college, transferred to a four year college, and even made it through the #1 or #2 Medical School in the US.

Having lived the latter half of my youth in Bayside Queen and now, a surgeon living in New Jersey.

Even in New Jersey, the elements of what Obama refers to are, unfortunately, are very real.

Although my family is from Ecuador, my last name doesn't come across as Hispanic. As a result, I get access to some of the most bigoted views one could imagine.

The problem with our nation, is too many people are unwilling to address our own weaknesses.

Obama's the only candidate who has the courage to address weaknesses in our government and beyond.

The transition I went through allows some prospective into some of what Obama refers to.

Clinton and McCain haven't got a clue.


Posted by: AD | April 13, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

BAGHDAD -- The Iraqi government has dismissed about 1,300 soldiers and policemen who deserted or refused to fight during last month's offensive against Shiite militias and criminal gangs in Basra, officials said Sunday.

Interior Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Abdul-Karim Khalaf said 921 police and soldiers were fired in Basra. They included 37 senior police officers ranging in rank from lieutenant colonel to brigadier general.

The others were dismissed in Kut, one of the Shiite cities where the fight had spread.

Posted by: look at all the progress! | April 13, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

oh my god. obama told the truth. let's crucify him.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The only reason Obama's statement was a "gaffe" was because McCain, Clinton and the press told us it was a gaffe. McCain and Clinton are obviously attacking the comments because they are both trailing Obama in the race nationally and those comments were nuanced and easy to take out of context. It was a cheap shot, treating small-town voters like idiots who aren't smart enough to understand what Obama meant. THAT is what is elitist and condescending here. I think it's also pretty obvious why the media has turned this into a negative thing. The media is simply doing what it always does - cutting down the hero it helped to create. The media is like a mother who eats her own children.

Since the press seems reluctant to air anything but one Obama speech that is the closest thing they can get to an apology, let me share with you the text to a speech by Obama in Indiana yesterday where he explained exactly what he meant when he was talking about Pennsylvania voters being "bitter." You can find a video of this speech on You Tube. Search for "Obama Indiana" and sort it by "videos posted this week." I recommend it - it's stirring and enlightening to hear, especially after getting the distinct impression over the last 24 hours from CNN, MSNBC and the Washington Post that Barack Obama had inexplicably decided to insult Pennsylvania.


"When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what's worse is when people are expressing their anger then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened - I want to make a point here today.

I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how're you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What's going on there? We hear that its hard for some working class people to get behind you're campaign. I said, 'Well look, they're frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they've seen jobs shipped overseas. They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.

And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we're going to make your community better. We're going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they're bitter. Of course they're frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody's going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement-- so, here's what rich. Senator Clinton says 'No, I don't think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack's being condescending.' John McCain says, 'Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he's obviously out of touch with people.

Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain--it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I'm out of touch? No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on. I know what's going on in Pennsylvania. I know what's going on in Indiana. I know what's going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that's why I'm running for President of the United States of America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

Posted by: Jeremy | April 13, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm not American, but I know that three-quarters of Americans supported invading Iraq in 2003. Yet three-quarters of Americans today believe the war was a bad idea.

Likewise, a clear majority of American voters re-elected GW Bush in 2004, yet his support hovers below 30% today.

That's mathematical proof that a large proportion of American voters is making a lot of bad, indeed self-harming, decisions.

Yet nobody in America is ever allowed to criticise the voter, criticise the public. Politicians are trained to spout pablum like: "I think the American people are pretty smart", "I think the American people usually come to the right decision, etc."

It's completely taboo to mention that the American people have been largely complicit in the disasters that have befallen them. Even Obama wouldn't dare say that. Suck up to the Great American Public at all costs.

Clinton and McCain play that game well, as did GW Bush. That's why the American public never looks at itself in the mirror.

Iraq is all Bush's fault, say the people who cheered and bayed for war in 2003. Our health costs are rising, moan people who voted against a decent health plan in 2004 because they were scared a homosexual might get married somewhere.

Like I said, I'm a foreigner and don't have to suck up to anyone. So I can say: Bush is a symptom, the American people is the cause.

Reading the comments of those here trying to enforce the taboo on criticising the choices of the US voter, it's easy to see why America is in such a deep hole.

I predict that Americans will continue to vote for those who tell them how great they are, and America will continue its irreversible decline.

Hopefully, when you're all broke, you will at least quit starting wars all the time.

Posted by: Kevrobb | April 13, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Circumstances of Death: Iraqi detainee died while in U.S. custody.

Authorization for Autopsy: Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner, lAW 10 USC 1471

Identification: Identification by accompanying paperwork and wristband, both of which include his name and a detainee number, 3ACR1582

CAUSE OF DEATH: Blunt Force. Injuries and Asphyxia

MANNER OF DEATH: Homicide

FINAL AUTOPSY DIAGNOSES:
I. Multiple Blunt Force Injuries
A. Cutaneous abrasions and contusions of the scalp, torso, and extremities
B. Deep contusions of the chest wall musculature and abdominal wall
C. Multiple, bilateral, displaced and comminuted rib fractures, with lacerations of the pleura.
D. Bilateral lung contusions
E. Bilateral hemothoraces
F. Hemorrhage into the mesentery of the small and large bowel
G. Hemorrhage into the left sternohyoid muscle with associated fractures of the thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone

II. History of Asphyxia, Secondary to Occlusion of the Oral Airway

III. Pleural and Pulmonary Adhesions

IV. Hypertensive Cardiovascular Disease
A. Hypertrophy of the left ventricle of the heart (2.0-centimeters)
B. Cardiomegaly (450-grams)

V. Enlarged, Nodular Prostate Gland

an Iraqi man who died hanging by his cuffed wrists from a door frame, gagged, and beaten to death by his US interrogators. As the Final Autopsy Report noted:

The remains are received clad in a white shirt, white pajama type pants, and white
undershorts. Feces covers the clothing from the waist down....There is gauze dressing on the left wrist. No other evidence of medical intervention is noted.... The right chest wall has fractures of ribs three through seven anteriorly and ribs six through twelve posteriorly. The left chest wall has fractures of ribs two through nine anteriorly and ribs seven through twelve posteriorly. There are fractures of the lateral aspect of ribs nine and ten on the left side. There is a horizontal fracture through the mid-portion of the body of the sternum."

Yes, your tax dollars are paying for this. Hung up by the wrists and beaten so badly that he not only had over 25 separate rib fractures, many slicing into his lungs, he also had a fractured sternum.

feel sick yet? you did this.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jack - The Post should require all journalists to state who they favor in the contest at the beginning of the column.

That's an excellent suggestion. When analysts are offering advice on some stock, they are supposed to reveal their own interest in that stock.

Imagine if Cillizza prefaces his articles with "I favor Obama", or Eugene Robinson with "I am in the tank for Obama". This will enable the readers to value them for what they are worth, in their own opinion

Posted by: Krishna | April 13, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday Clinton flaunted her gunslinging credentials. Long before that now infamous day in Bosnia, Hillary was trained in the use of arms by her father. WATCH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRpAy4S6oRM

Posted by: sugarbox | April 13, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Do you consider Obama's remarks as "condescending" and "out of touch"?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2082

.

Posted by: Frank,

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This alleged poll is anything but partial. So a lot of of Obama supporters go to the site and skew any results. As we all know, online polls are joke and mean nothing.

Posted by: Jack | April 13, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

There is a lot of bitterness in not-only rural PA.

I'm one of three boys who grew up in the Bronx. My oldest brother died of renal failure because he missed his Monday dialysis session because he had to wait all day at the Medicaid office. My living other older brother dropped out of high school to go to auto-mechanic school. He's built a good business. However, he lost a large part of his business to China imports on custom fabrication of exhaust parts. He spends 1,300-1,500 a month for health insurance for his family. He had to leave College Point Queens for Raleigh NC, because Queens became too expensive.

He's very bitter against our government.

As for myself, I squeaked through high school, went to community college, transferred to a four year college, and even made it through the #1 or #2 Medical School in the US. Now, I'm a surgeon living in New Jersey.

Even in New Jersey, the elements of what Obama refers to are, unfortunately, are very real.

The problem with our nation, is too many people are unwilling to address our own weaknesses.

Obama's the only candidate who has the courage to address weaknesses in our government and beyond.

The transition I went through allows some prospective into some of what Obama refers to.

Clinton and McCain haven't got a clue.

Having lived the latter half of my youth in Bayside Queen

Posted by: AD | April 13, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse


Maybe Obama will buy a half hour of airtime to talk himself out of yet another peeling away of his many masks.

Mr. Obama is a fast talker, slickster - thinks he can "talk" and "speech" his way out of anything we see and are getting to know about him.

Off teleprompter and script - What is his next Freudian slip?

Typical white bitter person all together in one sentence?


Posted by: Todd | April 13, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that McCain can say any number of extremely stupid and offensive things and the press yawns but if Clinton exaggerates or Obama says someone is "bitter" the press goes ballistic? Why not focus on the important things for once and quit nitpiking the trivial.

Posted by: Wake Forest, NC | April 13, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Is Cillizza on Obama's payroll? This alleged journalistic lacks any journalistic integrity. The Post should require all journalists to state who they favor in the contest at the beginning of the column. Doing so would allow us not to read the propaganda that this alleged journalist spews. Unless, the Post approves of such propaganda. Cillizza is sadly mistaken to think that any positive points can be made by Obama's insult to Pennsylvania and all blue collar workers.
I am a Pennsylvanian, but I have to go now to get my gun and kill gays. I wouldn't want to make Barry wrong, he does it all by himself.

Posted by: Jack | April 13, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

This is a fair analysis. It leaves out one phrase that is likely to be repeated on the net though. We can combine a couple of Obama's off the cuff remarks, something that I would maintain reveal his real thought processess and hit him with his lack of understanding of the "typical bitter white person".

Posted by: Ed | April 13, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, the post is long. Hope it makes it. In summary, I am saying that this flap is far worse for Obama than Chris C is making it to be.
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What can be expected of Chris C, or Chris M, or Keith O, or Tim R, or any of the MSM folks, other than a spirited defense of their man, the blessed Barack? I am waiting for the ultimate apologist, Eugene Robinson to offer his own spin on the topic.

I don't see a single "plus" you mentioned as a plus. Here's why.

Friday Night newsbreak - It is no longer true that news released on Friday afternoon/evening doesn't get much play. This story dominated the news all Saturday, generating an avalanche of e-mails, and reader responses in the newspapers.

Quality of YouTube Video - The YouTube video by Politico's Ben Smith is fine, for the purposes of the story. The text transcripts are all over the media, so looking at the video and following the audio is not as bad. And sometimes a scratchy, shaky video is even more powerful, when it is perceived as a negative for the candidate.

Rapid Response - Actually there have been two or three rounds of repsonses, with ever increasing levels of "regret" expressed. But, all of this amounts to lipstick on a pig. He has thus far said that he stands by the comments, only he should have worded them better. Just words!

General Election Practice - Ha! What's next? Why not hook him up with an Escort service some GE practice? I don't even buy that he handled the Jeremiah controversy well. He had to give that speech to explain why he sat in the church for 20 years, but all he expounded in the speech were the race related problems for the whites, for the blacks, for the Americans, without touching upon his own conduct. And the dutiful media expressed wonderment at the great speech, his baritone, his halting delivery of words, ...

As to "Minuses" -

Hillary Clinton has so far handled this well. McCain hasn't turned on the heat that much. But it will come. Let's see what happens after the Sunday morning talk shows are over. I am waiting to see how Tim Russert helps his boy Obama.

Geography - Perhaps to make up for his San Francisco assault on the rural people in Pennsylvania, Obama ought to go to Youngstown and berate the latte-drinking, pot-smoking, flag-burning, draft-dodging liberals of San Fran. Think that'll work?

While the republicans are too quick to brand any democrat as an elitist, one has to give them a little bit of ammo. And Obama is a gift that keeps on giving, along with Michelle O.

It used to be that "I never said" those words. Can't use that any more. So it is now "they are twisting my words out of context". What he said is very simple. I'll see how else he will explain the words, without twisting them himself in a different way. Or perhaps we have to consult a Obama Dictionary for the meaning of "words".

I think this will sink Obama in Pennsylvania. On Friday Chris Matthews blurted on his show that he is "concerned" that the undecided are going for Clinton. This will hasten and insure that phenomenon. I hope Chris Matthews survives this calamity.

If because of this flap Obama loses Indiana badly, and his win in NC is heavily colored, what does it say about his viability in the General Election? This is an year that should be a "gimme" for the democrats. Why should he be allowed to put that in jeopardy?

Posted by: Krishna | April 13, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Do you consider Obama's remarks as "condescending" and "out of touch"?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2082

.

Posted by: Frank, LA | April 13, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Firestorm? You're kidding. Obama spoke a lot of truth, something people are SO not used to hearing. Here's a hilarious take:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/12/35450/1226/121/494151

Posted by: Bill Dunn | April 13, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I agree with those here who can't figure out what the big deal is. This episode shows us all the problems of our shallow, hyperactive media. There has been little analysis of the content of the quote itself (likely to have some truth to it), but rather an overreaction and obsessiveness of the political game behind it. I say kudos to Obama for trying to be more sophisticated and telling the truth. I find it hard to believe somebody who was a community organizer not long ago is more elite than someone who's lived in the White House and didn't have to work for her senate seat (Clinton) or someone who has been in Washington for over 25 years (McCain). CC, you really need to get some perspective here!

Posted by: freeDom | April 13, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"One of the biggest events in the campaign to date"??? Do you assume your readers are that superficial? Obama's message was accurate; perhaps his words weren't quite right. That's a story?? What actually is happening is that Hillary has become hysterical over grasped straws, with McCain and the Republicans jumping on the wagon. The media blows the story WAY out of proportion, declaring it a "big event". This is distraction, distortion, and negative campaigning at its worst. I'm not surprised about the Clinton/McCain antics; it's the media that is such a disappointment. The fuss over this non-story is simply pathetic.

Posted by: Barbara Campbell | April 13, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, the euphemisms traditional, blue-collar, working class etc., are just stand-ins for voters who vote on the following issues.
1. Are they going to take my guns away?
2. Are they going to take God out of our schools?
3. Are they going to teach my children how to be gay abortionists?
4. Are they going to make Spanish a national language?
5. Shouldn't I blame crime and unemployment on border-jumping immigrants busting my town budget?

I'm not saying these things aren't important or meaningful; just that they drive how these folk vote more than losing jobs because neither Democrats or Republicans ever help them out on the economic front.

Hillary should be McCain's running mate. Small town folks also have a condescending attitude towards big city folk. Obama's biggest mistake was backing down. I'm glad he said it because all these years somebody should have.

Posted by: Asja | April 13, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I am still laughing over Barak Obama's answers to the questions about choosing a Vice President, if nominated, and, saying, he, Barak Obama has the foreign policy issue covered becaue he took a college trip to Pakistan and that his Vice President ONLY needs to know BUNCHES OF STUFF that HE, Barak Obama, is not AS EXPERT ON! So, the latest and greatest remark from our "very junior Senator," doesn't surprise me, since, I feel, Barak Obama is more, in reality, a precocious college adult than a politically, experienced, mature Presidential Candidate who just happens to believe he is just "too smart NOT to be the next Leader of the Free World."

Important question, here, is the Democratic Party going to come to it's senses before it is too late and send this "very junior" Senator back to class, to grow-up politically, or are we going to lose another election by handing him the nomination because the press and media adore him and extremely dislike Hillary Clinton, to put it mildly?

Posted by: rannrann | April 13, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Words of Wisdom,
I sure hope you're getting paid by the post.

Posted by: aleks | April 13, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

ANOTHER SHOOT-OUT AT CLINTON CREDIBILITY GAP ...

THE LOST ANGELES TIMES IS REPORTING ...

Bill Clinton, China linked via his foundation

NEW YORK -- As Chinese authorities have clamped down on unrest in Tibet and jailed dissidents in advance of the 2008 Olympics, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has taken a strong public stance, calling for restraint in Tibet and urging President Bush to boycott the Olympics opening ceremonies in Beijing.

But her recent stern comments on China's internal crackdown collide with former President Bill Clinton's fundraising relationship with a Chinese Internet company accused of collaborating with the mainland government's censorship of the Web.

Last month, the firm, Alibaba Inc., carried a government-issued "most wanted" posting on its Yahoo China homepage, urging viewers to provide information on Tibetan activists suspected of stirring recent riots. ...

Posted by: MARTIN EDWIN ANDERSEN | April 13, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Asja,
That's because Obama is a gracious winner and Hillary is a vicious loser.

Posted by: aleks | April 13, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Again - the Obama people are attempting to distract this issue by focusing in on the word "bitter."


That is NOT the point.


The point is that Obama offended small town Americans by saying they "cling" to religion and other positions which Obama looks down upon.

Stop attempting to defend Obama by being deceptive about what these comments were.

Obama is maybe fit to be Mayor of a city, not to represent all of America.


The WORST part of this is that Obama claimed that he wanted tolerance for Rev. Wrights comments -

however Obama now seems INTOLERANT of what small town America stands for.

That is the problem, it has nothing to do with the word bitter.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Exactly GARY the whole thing is about Obama's mindset

These remarks call into question Obama's fitness for office

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

So small town voters AREN'T bitter? Rural Americans don't vote on gun issues or abortion rights? Give me a break. Obama should have gone on the attack and defended what he said, he shouldn't apologize for speaking the truth. This is a test of how well he can tell voters things they don't like to hear, like it's going to cost us more tax dollars to pay for health care, we will have to raise the retirement age if we have a hope of securing Medicare and Social security. Unfortunately he's going to get brow beaten into pandering by the simplistic sound bite media and two old hand political hacks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Obama tells us that our religion represents our bitterness. I say "No" it does not. Maybe his religion represents bitterness. 20 years at Rev Wright feet maybe that is where he learned this???

Posted by: where is beef? | April 13, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

again,nothing about the mindset that would produce remarks such as obamas. just how to worm his way out of it. you insult all of us small-minded gunclingers out here. rev. wright is a much bigger problem.

Posted by: gary | April 13, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Chris:


The reason why your posting appears biased is that you understated the minuses.


Really


The MINUSES FOR OBAMA

* THE RATIONAL FOR OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN - has taken another serious serious blow. The campaign may have been able to brush aside the controversey over Rev. Wright HOWEVER now we see a SERIES of statements which reenforce the perception that Obama truly does not represent the "feel-good" unifier that his campaign is supposed to stand for.

* APPEAL BEYOND BASE Obama is at the point in his campaign at which he has to expand his appeal beyond his base - these comments set him back in a powerful way -

* SUPERDELEGATE FIGHT Obama still has gain the support of a substantial amount of superdelegates who are going to look to his projected electability in November as an extremely important criteria. These comments hurt Obama in the November electorate much much more than anywhere else.

* INDIANA If Obama had hoped to put away Hillary with a convincing win in Indiana, those prospects look much bleaker right now.


* OBAMA HAS OFFENDED EVERY SMALL TOWN IN EVERY SWING STATE - Not exactly what they teach in in Electoral College 101 - This is simply an unbelievably stupid move by a person who is supposed to be soo smart, so Harvard - so bright. Obama is just your average smart kid who got into a college that he probably should not have.


Chris - please feel free to take this points and place them above.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama went to San Francisco and said this to the Elites. Wasn't he tailoring hid words for the Elites???

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I think this is actually a net gain for Obama because it shows that he is not willing to present himself as all things to all people like some kind of miracle worker. He's not afraid to go beyond the niceties and actually talk about why things are the way they are. And thus, he challenges voters to rethink their role in the voting process. I wrote more about that here:

http://www.theseventen.com/2008/04/barack-obama-when-gaffe-is-not-gaffe.html

Mark in Austin,

Thanks for the forward!

Posted by: theseventen | April 13, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to know what qualifies as a "normal" American?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Here is Obama on Charlie Rose, saying exactly the same thing he said at the fundraiser. It's clear Hillary is milking it to distort him and I desperately want Obama to unleash a million dollars of attack advertising to deal with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oGF3cyHE7M

I can't believe Obama didn't attack Hillary for lying about Bosnia and he's being attacked for saying the truth. What nonesense is this?

Posted by: Asja | April 13, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The press, you Chris included, will realize just how wrong they got this when poll numbers start coming back. Obama is reacting to a massive Clinton attack but he is establishing credibility with people who have never had an economic voice before.

He made the same remarks on Charlie Rose in 2004 and they were well received. This is a manufactured scandal with truth at its heart.

The Obamas only made about 3% (three percent) of what Billary made in the last seven years. The Obamas are worth less than 1% (one percent) of the McCains. The Obamas are Harvard Law graduates, but Billary"s Yale Law school.

Barack Obama grew up in a single-mother household that started out on foodstamps. He gave up a lucrative corporate job to help organize poor people get jobs, healthcare and register to vote. This he did on a $10,000 a year salary driving an old beat up car with holes in his shoes. John McCain came from an affluent family and is married to money.

African-American kid born to single mom on foodstamp elitist.

By the end of the week, this distortion story will have turned around and bitten Hillary on her behind.

We probably have the only candidate in forever who actually knows what a food stamp looks like being called an elitist by multi-millionaires because his own hard work put him through Harvard, and went back to community work. The guy finished paying his student loans off 8 years ago. This is just ridiculous.

I'm totally angry with Obama for backing down. It hurts that someone speaking the truth has to back down to a manipulative liar. Every election cycle, you hear the same old lies peddled to win small-town rural votes.

1. They're going to take your guns away
2. They're going to take God out of your schools
3. They're going to teach your children how to be gay abortionists
4. They're going to make Spanish a national language
5. Blame crime and unemployment on border-jumping immigrants busting your local budgets

Obama hit at the most consistent GOP winning formula when the Republican party lacks economic answers for small-town voters; Clinton has attacked and distorted him for it. Unbelievable!!

Posted by: Asja | April 13, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Newt said it best:

http://newt.org/Blogs/tabid/59/Default.aspx

If you go to the most expensive private school in Hawaii and then move on to Columbia University and Harvard Law School, you may not understand normal Americans. Their beliefs are so alien to your leftwing viewpoint that you have to seek some psychological explanation for what seem to be weird ideas.

They can't really believe in the right to bear arms.

They can't really believe in traditional marriage.

They can't really believe in their faith in God.

They can't really want to enforce the law on immigration.

Therefore, they must be "bitter" and "frustrated."

This is the closest Senator Obama has come to openly sharing his wife's view that "America is a mean country". Not since Governor Dukakis have we seen anyone so out of touch with normal Americans. It makes perfect sense that it was in a fundraiser in San Francisco that he would have shared the views he has so carefully kept hidden for the entire campaign.

Posted by: Saul Anuzis | April 13, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Today's Washington Post reports that even Clinton supporter Evan Bayh admitted that "we do have economic hard times, and that does lead to some frustration and some anger."

The Associated Press story on the same subject says that:

"One of Clinton's staunchest supporters, Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., acknowledged there was some truth in Obama's remarks. But he said Republicans would use them against him anyway."

Apparently the Clintonites don't believe telling the truth is a good idea.

So what are we left to debate about this fall, if truth is off the table?

Shouldn't the party of change be about truth telling?

And shouldn't the Democratic party nominee be the person who is willing to tell the truth to the American people?

That candidate is Barack Obama.

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | April 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Obama, simply used a Poor Choice of Word, due to being tired, and on the campaign trail for over 15 months. What he meant, instead, is that People are Resentful, experiencing Pain, and Prolonged Discomfort, due to harsh and painful encomonic conditions. However, the fact that McCain, Clinton and others are trying to take a poor choice of words and make nothing into something -- playing politics as usual, which in Reality is a Truthful Statement is dispicable. People are bitter over high gas prices, increased food prices, loss of jobs and hope, high education costs, increased mortgage costs and foreclosure, loss due of jobs that leave the country and move to India and/or China, and as hard as it is to say, some people are bitter over immigration and the loss of jobs due to companies hiring immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for -- in an America that does not resemble the one we used to know and belive in. We have even lost the respect and admiration of other countries around the world due to the demise of the America we love and belive in. As Barack points out, we should not blame the Immigrants but the policies that have caused this chaos. America, we have to ask ourselves, which is more aggrecious, a politician telling us the hard truth, things we may not want to hear but need to hear OR a politician telling us a Fantasy/Lie (Bosnia Sniper Fire) a fabrication that we did not need to hear because not Truth, and which is a betrayal of the public trust. There was a time that politicians was the most Honest Game in town -- George Washington, Honest Abe, Thomas Jefferson these are just a few examples, but they were men of high ethics and moral character who would not dare to tell the public a bold face ... for their own personal gain, it just was not done. And to say that Obama is an elitist, is like coloring Sen. Kerry a deserter, which they tried and was somewhat successful at, and look where it got us, into a war that should never have been waged and a host of other woes that only True Change from the botton-up can Transform. I hope the people will see through Clinton and McCain's politicking, Distorting and twisting his words and Message for their own political gain and rally to Obama's aide who in all honesty is trying to Change Washington from a Power Broker to Power People, because in the end it will be the people's voice and votes that matter.

Posted by: Angellight | April 13, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I think Obama would be wise to follow the strategy outlined at http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/11/204530/918/268/494012

Posted by: Keith Hood | April 13, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"bitter=guns+faith" was a tin eared formulation. BHO may have to answer for this for awhile - it cannot help him, but may not hurt him much. Time will tell.
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The BIG favor BHO did for HRC was to knock the following story off the 24/7 perch, as retold by the "bitter" Ms. Dowd:

"Hillary started telling her tall tale about Bosnia as early as January and continued until her Iraq speech on March 17 at George Washington University.

Bill mistakenly asserted that she had told the story only once, at 11 p.m. when she was tired, and 'immediately' admitted her mistake.

'And, oh, they acted like she was practically Mata Hari, you know? Just making up all this stuff,' he said, adding: 'And you would've thought, you know, that she'd robbed a bank the way they all carried on about this.'

Given her 3 a.m. ads -- (that has got to be her hedge fund manager on the phone) -- it was not very flattering for Bill to rant on and suggest that her 60-year-old brain was fuzzy.

In a characteristic bout of self-pity, he accused the press of 'a double-standard about misstatements.'

Straining to recover on Friday and give the illusion that President Hillary would keep him reined in, Bill told the press: 'Hillary called me and said, 'You don't remember this. You weren't there. Let me handle it.' I said, 'Yes, ma'am.' "

Posted by: MarkInAustin | April 13, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Chris, no video doesn't mean no YouTube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LTZd9a54BD8

Posted by: Mark | April 13, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

CR, how is this pro-Obama? In the assessment of this "scandal", he gives 4 positives and 5 negatives, and 2 of the positives have nothing to do with Obama himself (when the controversy started, and no YouTube video yet).

Posted by: hitpoints | April 13, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

This "-gate" is the most ridiculous ever. At least until Wokeupgroggygate.

Posted by: Brendan | April 13, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

CC - General election practice and rapid response, while pushing it for a plus, should have at least been rolled into one. The fact that a very liberal, Ivy league educated, Democrat appears to possess a degree of condescension towards small town folk (or those that don't buy his message) came as no surprise, at least to me. I would concur that the video is key, the clip you provided endorses the saying that a picture is worth a thousand words. In reading and listening to some of the text, there are a number of startling things including (the one from the video) implying that people are predjudiced because they would distrust a black politician more than a white one.

During campaigns, a number of things like this happen that tend to reveal what the candidates are really like and what they really believe. This is a good thing. I don't pretend that anyone is perfect or has policies and priciples that line up with mine exactly. These things added up simply help me in choosing the least flawed candidate to support. This incident gets filed next to the Wright one in Obama's growing bag of flaws.

Posted by: Dave! | April 13, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

You are the second one to mention that the tape of Obama was of poor quality and scratchy.

But, I heard it on Lou Dobbs, CNN, and it was more than clear enough to hear and understand. There was no doubt what he said and I didn't miss a word as I read the written account later.

As I have yet to hear the tape played on MSNBC, seems that "scratchy and poor quality" is the excuse not to.

Posted by: Karen JOhns | April 13, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse


The problem of these remarks is not the "biterness" part - the major problems are Obama's offensive remarks concerning small towns - and that somehow people there are not responding to difficult economic times properly.

Obama has been given so many opportunities through being pushed ahead by affirmative action - for him to look down on those who have not received those opportunities is basically sick.

These remarks reveal a deeper problem which the liberals have: affirmative action is not working -


for 1) the people who benefit from affirmative action really do not know if they actually deserve it - this creates a self-doubt which is unnecessary and should be enough to cancel affirmative action programs


2) affirmative action casts doubt in other peoples' minds as to whether those people who have benefited deserve what they have gotten - rather than having solid resumes, doubt is all over - in every item.


3) NOW we see a complete lack of appreciation on the part of people who have benefited - they dislike small town Americans who cling to religion and guns - who have had less economic opportunities.

Bill Richardson is another case - he feels no loyalty to Bill Clinton who gave him two cabinet positions.

I do not believe that Obama appreciates the benefits he has received from affirmative action.

Rather, I believe he reacts by "clinging" to his black anger and his perceived slights throughout his life.

Well Obama, everyone has perceived slights - the difference is you look down on other people - the difference is someone you believe that white people are not reacting properly to their economic situations.

HOWEVER - Obama believes that Rev. Wright and his remarks are "understandable" - the notion that what Rev. Wright "clings" to is somehow legitimate - and that small town America is somehow at fault for not pulling themselves out fast enough.

This is the REAL Obama.


The whole idea of the Obama campaign lifting everyone up into a unified world in which race does not matter - guess what?


Obama doesn't even believe it himself.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"we only go to church because we are bitter"! Is that why Obama went to Rev Wright's church for 20 years????

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Obama shows us what he really thinks of "US"!

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"one of the biggest events in the campaign to date"????

Come on CC.

This is only "big" because there is little to write about at the moment. The context of these comments surely makes a great degree of sense.

Of course people are bitter about losing their jobs.

When they therefore lack confidence in the government to delivery economically, it is entirely logical that they latch onto other "wedge" issues to vote on - guns, God and gays for example.

So, Obama's sin seems to be that he has been telling obvious truths in perhaps a not so subtle fashion.

My tip is that this sparks further discussion about what he meant - and this will actually be a big PLUS for him. Because most people acknowledge he is right.

He will dominate this issue in the debate this week, and it will help him considerably.

Posted by: Boutan | April 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Obama campaign is over. He will try to change the story (speech in Phil.), then belittle the statement, then finally say he really did not mean them.

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

the biggest negative for Obama is that he revealed himself.

He likes people wealthy , just like bush

Posted by: trey | April 13, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

This is terrible: I used to cringe and get angry everytime I heard about O'reilly's San Francisco values. Now Obama is making a believer out of me: Must be the water or something over there. For someone who says that words count these ones sure will!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: paul | April 13, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

OK there reason you get called names cultist is because you say stuff like "truth" in this context.

Truth has many meanings but none cover what Obama said. Obama my have blabbed what he thought but that is called "shotting your mouth off" not truth.

Please to not cheapen the word in your pathetic rantings to defend some fool.

Posted by: mul | April 13, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Will someone just shoot MSNBC they are as bad a Fox only worse because they are supposed to be reporters over there - and they are on my side of the isle.

Posted by: Mul | April 13, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Obama tells us we are bitter because we go to church, carry guns, or don't like illegal immigration. Where did he learn this at Rev Wright's feet???

Posted by: where the beef? | April 13, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse


The answer is NO.

Sorry, to the Obamaniacs however you don't know this guy.

There is an undercurrent of black anger in Obama that whites attempt to overlook - this black anger makes him insist on standing by Rev. Wright - this black anger has made him buy into black liberation theology as at least understandable - this black anger has caused him to dislike one of the greatest things about America - small towns.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 8:23 AM

Ah in case you did not get the Memo Obama is a Typical white person except for the bowling. Don't get fixated with the skin color.

Please never make any foo cultural comment again about black people. You sound like Obama talking about small towns.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

There have been 16 years of lies and many have lost faith in their political leaders. And are bitter over lost jobs, crime and silly politicians that cannot seem to do anything but bicker among themselves.

As has been said, why do we crucufy someone who tells the truth. And why in an ridiculously long campaign do we insist that a candidate only use the most pleasant words. And when did it become un-American and not patriotic to criticise our country or some of its policies.. ..Ever wonder why most of the best people would not even think of running for office, and many that do like George Mitchell or Sam Nunn leave their positions of power freely.

Let the guy talk and say the truth in his own honest words..and try thinking about the message instead of jumping all over his exact choice of words...which are still better than the continual lies and exaggerations by another candidate

Posted by: Patrick NYC | April 13, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

So we're supposed to crucify this guy for telling the truth? Of course people find scapegoats during hard economic times. How do you think the Nazis took power?

Posted by: finn | April 13, 2008 8:26 AM

No Nazis here, but the corporate establishment is already in control of government and doing their best to keep it, in the true tradition of elitist governing, by pandering to the MSM sheeple telling them what they want to hear during campaigns and then doing something else when the establishment's interests are at stake in the governing process.

Obama opponents---"You can't handle the truth."

Posted by: flarrfan | April 13, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama has lost it.

If you are trying to get votes you do not make inane a-historical attack on what voters value most.

So if I went back to Hyde Park (bastion of mid-western elitism) I would not say they are pathetic wanna-bes' living in the past. Even though I believe it - if I were running for Chicago alderman in Hyde Park.

Obama should have said "they feel hopeless and cling to American Idol." He has no problem BSing spreading lies. That is what is campaign is based on. He is not a reformer or many other things.

Look around you people.

Posted by: mul | April 13, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

While the story stays in the mainstream media it's a problem. Once it starts to circulate in small town and local papers, it could turn into a big problem.

It's not how the Obama supporters see it....it's how the voters in the small town feel about it. I'm a Hillary supporter, I didn't think her Bosnia comments were that big of a deal...but I was upset with them because I knew it would hurt her with other voters.

All politicians (yes Obama supporters, even him) love to hear themselves talk so much, they don't know when to shut up.

Posted by: Badger | April 13, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone likes to be discussed or analyzied behind their backs. I have a saying...if you can't say it to a person's face...then don't say it. It would be hard to imagine Obama saying.."I know you've had it with Washington and the economy is tough on you people, and you manifest your frustration in negative ways...you're homophopic...gun-loving... I know you need religion to cope..I understand why you are the way you are."

Wait a second he did say that to them, after he said it behind their back. Why didn't he say it, when he was on his bus tour?

It just feels like such a personal and in-your-face comment. Most of us are frustrated, with the situation in Washington but a lot of us (and probably most of the people in small towns) take our anger and manifest it in positive ways. Truthfully, we havn't turned homophopic. We haven't started hunting, etc.

I'd also like to know how he'd analyze his merlot voters and how they react because of their frustration over the economy.

Obama manages to work his way out of every problem he's faced. It's hard for me to see how he will this one....I'm sure he will though.

As a Hillary supporter, I do think she should let up talking about it on the campaign for a bit. She made her point yesterday. She should go back to campaigning, and bring it up only when asked.

Posted by: Badger | April 13, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

So we're supposed to crucify this guy for telling the truth? Of course people find scapegoats during hard economic times. How do you think the Nazis took power?

Posted by: finn | April 13, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Chris:

You are betraying your own self-proclaimed vow of neutrality. How in your right mind can you attempt to minimize these comments?


Clearly this situation hurts.


It hurts bad. These comments destroy the basic rational for Obama's campaign. Instead of going forward, expanding the reach of his campaign, Obama is going backwards.


Even worse are Obama's prospects for the November election.


Obama has managed to offend EVERY SMALL TOWN IN EVERY SWING STATE. Quite a feat. The Obama campaign will certainly go down in political history for this one - pretty much forgotten beyond these comments and his crazy black liberation theology speech that some insane pundits thought was the greatest thing since the Gettysburg Address.

yea, basically that's what they said - don't lie.

The major problem that these remarks reveal is Obama's character - is he really fit for office ? Does he have the values which make him qualified to represent the entire country ???


The answer is NO.

Sorry, to the Obamaniacs however you don't know this guy.

There is an undercurrent of black anger in Obama that whites attempt to overlook - this black anger makes him insist on standing by Rev. Wright - this black anger has made him buy into black liberation theology as at least understandable - this black anger has caused him to dislike one of the greatest things about America - small towns.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Chris:

You are betraying your own self-proclaimed vow of neutrality. How in your right mind can you attempt to minimize these comments?


Clearly this situation hurts.


It hurts bad. These comments destroy the basic rational for Obama's campaign. Instead of going forward, expanding the reach of his campaign, Obama is going backwards.


Even worse are Obama's prospects for the November election.


Obama has managed to offend EVERY SMALL TOWN IN EVERY SWING STATE. Quite a feat. The Obama campaign will certainly go down in political history for this one - pretty much forgotten beyond these comments and his crazy black liberation theology speech that some insane pundits thought was the greatest thing since the Gettysburg Address.

yea, basically that's what they said - don't lie.

The major problem that these remarks reveal is Obama's character - is he really fit for office ? Does he have the values which make him qualified to represent the entire country ???


The answer is NO.

Sorry, to the Obamaniacs however you don't know this guy.

There is an undercurrent of black anger in Obama that whites attempt to overlook - this black anger makes him insist on standing by Rev. Wright - this black anger has made him buy into black liberation theology as at least understandable - this black anger has caused him to dislike one of the greatest things about America - small towns.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure all the African-Americans in North Carolina would stick with him just because he's black. A few would be offended and might not admit to a pollster that they've been disillusioned but might express their opinion in the privacy of the voting booth. Blacks go to church and go hunting too, ya know.

Posted by: Amy | April 13, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

We've had a whole weekend of pundits reacting to this like catnip. Now let's wait a few days and see if small town Pennsylvanians and others react the way the pundits think they should, or whether at least some of them find that Obama has exposed the shell game: You can vote for empty promises to end globalization and bring the factories back, or empty promises to prevent gun confiscation and stop abortion.All Obama has to do is make it clear what's under the third shell.

Posted by: Pat Heenan | April 13, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

If you saw Saturday Night Live last night, you have some insight into where pop culture thinks the election is going.

Posted by: JD | April 13, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

i'm disgusted with The Fix for fanning the flames. This is enabling Clinton and McCain in the worst kind of way and a total, ugly distraction. Shame on you. You have a choice. Read David Brody.

Posted by: lsigalov | April 13, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I'll say this until I'm blue in the face. The national media has given way way to much attention to "small town" Pennsylvania. There are 67 counties in PA; 40% of all the voters are Philadelphians and suburban Philadelphians. These people do not live in small towns, their economy is NOT based on some factory that closed and isn't coming back, they do not sit around in bars in their Steelers crying into their beers. (They might cry into their beers but the jersey is green, not black and gold.)
This is not to say that Clinton can't do well here as the Philly area is demographically almost identical to New Jersey and New York City. But to forever paint Pennsylvania as Altoona is crap. Nobody lives in Altoona. Six million people live in Philadelphia. Do the math!!!!

Posted by: daniel deagler | April 13, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Telling the truth! How rare in politics. Most unfortunately many of the disaffected, bitter voters, as pointed out, vote against their best interests for a Republican. Who, among the poor and middle class, would like, for example, to privatize Social Security? But if they voted for George W. Bush, they found a very willing advocate for privatization, against their best interests. Of course these voters are bitter because they can't believe in the people they voted into office.

Go Obama!

Posted by: Jordan Davies | April 13, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that the media usually fails to give any context to what is said. Here it is. It's irrefutible. Obama supporters tried to squelch it. How will it play out? So far, it doesn't bode well for Obama.


"Misgivings, and video, on the San Francisco story
Marc Cooper, the editor of the Off the Bus project for which Mayhill Fowler, an Obama donor who taped and wrote about Obama's San Francisco remarks, has an interesting rumination on the affair, including the misgivings that wound up burying the comments in Fowler's broader discussion of Obama.
"It wasn't easy for her to write a piece that she knew, while truthful and accurate, would nevertheless be used by his political opponents," he writes.
ALSO: Whether video of the event surfaces is going to have a real impact on how much this story hurts Obama, and Cooper suggests it may:
"Let it also be noted that there were approx 100 videocams whirring away inside the room as Barack spoke," he writes.

http://marccooper.com/

Posted by: VAMMAP | April 13, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

The biggest minus is that it fits so well into a compelling story line about Obama.

The comment is a true gaffe because he implies that the voters don't know what's best for themselves. If they only understood their true situation, they'd vote for people like Obama. This kind of condescension is so common in many Democratic circles, that the people who circle in them might not even see it as a gaffe.

Love him or hate him, there are three key facts about Obama:
*Relatively liberal
*Short on conventional leadership experience
*Non-mainstream life story

The republicans will try to brand him as the ipod generation's Adlai Stevenson -- great guy, but out of touch, overly intellectual, not like regular people, more a political scientist than a politician.

Comments like these feed directly into the Republican's story line, which is why they are so dangerous.

Posted by: just_semantics | April 13, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

hey ray,
do you think, what with new paradigms in the mortgage game and financial markets, it could be time for a new paradigm in politics, with truth emerging as the new way?

oops, the new math didn't work so well in the aforementioned examples.

maybe third time is the charm!

and w/r/t hellary running as mccain's vp...billy and his wife are talking that way. so is (former dem) lieberman. i mean, if mccain makes a deal with clinton that he wouldn't run for a second term, it would be perfectly clintonesque for them to take their remaining supporters and jump. she'd get to fight those who abandoned her, including, possibly/likely obama. am i under the influence?

Posted by: Jeff Purnell | April 13, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

CR - give us a break, please! Chris is NOT pro-Obama (maybe, slightly pro-Clinton, but usually just pro-selling newspapers). It's YOU who is the partisan, and an obvious one at that.

acs - it's a gaffe because telling the truth in politics is considered a no-no. According to conventional wisdom you're supposed to assume that people are morans, and only speak to them in sugar-coated platitudes.

The two things I find most interesting (and amusing) about this latest idiocy is watching Clinton run for the Democratic nomination by almost acting like she wants to be McCain's VP and, of course, the fact that Obama's being called an "elitist" by a woman who made $110 million. Hillarious...

Posted by: Ray42 | April 13, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

jeez CR, i need some guidance. i'm a pretty lefty guy. and i'm relatively well-educated in most circles, BA, JD, i even took and passed the CPA exam. and i am serious here about my confusion.
what is your angle? hillary supporter? repub? cuz i just read cillizza's piece above. to me, a political hillbilly in milwaukee wisconsin, he just pointed stuff out. can ya point out the biased stuff?
you can email me at my thingy here at the post. it's onebaldassxx on the post black hole.

and w/r/t obama's comment. i share acs' thought. what's the big slight here? i share obama's confusion at the voting history of the many who despite losing pensions, and even jobs, vote against their own self-interest on so very many issues because of the incredible fear that they have bought into. i'm talking fear of gay folk, black folk, wierd folk, and the biggest, most tragic fear of all, sadam's wmd, no, wait, his imminent plan to attack the us. oh, christ, they've even been told to fear those godless democrats.
i certainly think obama is wise to contemplate how to reach those folks and possibly convince them that they need not fear him.

Posted by: Jeff Purnell | April 13, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

i'm still not getting why this is percieved to be so offensive to small town voters. i have lived in nine different states from big cities to small towns, and it's true, people are bitter. not just small town ones. and obama was right to say that they've been forgotten about. why is that supposed to be a gaffe?

Posted by: acs | April 13, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Thsi article couldn't be any more PRO-Obama if you tried. Try to cover your obvious bias, just a little please. The only Cillizza is missing is his Go-Obama pom-poms,

Posted by: CR | April 13, 2008 6:22 AM | Report abuse

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