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The McCain Bounce?

John McCain and Sarah Palin

John McCain and running mate Sarah Palin took their post-convention bounce to the road over the weekend facing a whole new race. (AP Photo/Toby Jorrin)

UPDATE, 5 p.m.: The new Washington Post/ABC News poll confirms a post-convention bounce for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Among likely voters, McCain takes 49 percent of the vote to Barack Obama's 47 percent; the margin is even narrower among registered voters with Obama at 47 percent and McCain at 46 percent. Compare that to the late August survey done by Post/ABC: Obama stood at 49 percent compared to McCain's 45 percent among likely voters and held a 49 percent to 43 percent margin among registered voters.

ORIGINAL POST

Now that the two party conventions are over, it appears that the debate over which candidate would receive the bigger bounce has been settled.

John McCain's announcement of surprise-pick Sarah Palin largely stepped on Barack Obama's post-convention coverage, and Palin's stellar address -- and public unveiling -- last Wednesday, helped generate an enthusiasm for the ticket among Republicans and solidify a positive convention for the GOP.

Early indications suggest that Palin power has turned the race upside down. McCain has leaped to the lead in a new USA Today/Gallup national poll. A brand new CNN/Opinion Research Center poll released moments ago, confirmed the USA Today/Gallup results. Among registered voters, Obama and McCain were knotted at 48 percent.

The survey shows McCain at 50 percent and Obama at 46 percent among registered voters -- the first time since an early January USA Today/Gallup survey that the Republican was at the critical 50 percent mark.

Among those most likely to vote the gap was even broader with McCain leading Obama 54 percent to 44 percent.

It's always dangerous to draw conclusions about the trend of a presidential race based on a single poll taken in the immediate aftermath of a convention. And, a look at all national surveys taken so far this month suggest a more mixed result.

Still, the McCain movement in the USA Today/Gallup poll is intriguing at a number of levels as it suggests that the Palin pick and the convention that followed could well have reset the narrative in the race.

A few of the most interesting facts from the poll (aka, we read it so you don't have to):

• Palin has weathered the storm of a barrage of bad stories relatively unscathed. Among all adults 55 percent felt favorably to her while just 27 percent felt unfavorably. The margin was nearly the same among registered voters -- 55 percent favorable/28 percent unfavorable. Much of that positive view seems derived from Palin's speech last week: Sixty percent said she did either an excellent (42 percent) or good (18 percent) job while 14 percent rated it "just okay" and another 14 percent called it poor/terrible.

• Both McCain and Obama appear to have acquitted themselves well in the eyes of the public with their vice presidential picks. Six in ten rated McCain's selection of Palin as either excellent or pretty good; sixty-three percent said the same of Obama's choice of Delaware Sen. Joe Biden. McCain's pick of Palin, however, is more impactful -- for good and for bad. Nearly one in three voters said McCain's choice of Palin made them more likely to vote for the Republican ticket while one in five said it made them less likely to pull the GOP lever. Obama naming Biden as vice president made 14 percent of voters more likely to go Democratic in the fall and seven percent less likely.

• The issue environment is not as terrible as it once was for Republicans. Obama still carries significant edges on education (+17) and healthcare (+12) but on the two most high profile issues of late -- the economy and energy policy -- the candidates are running statistically even. McCain has a ten-point edge on which of the two nominees is better equipped to handle the situation in Iraq and a 17-point bulge on terrorism. The downballot indicators have improved for Republicans as well; the generic congressional ballot, where Democrats have long held a considerable edge, is now at 48 percent Democrat, 45 percent Republican.

• The major weakness for each candidate is clear. For Obama, questions of his experience and readiness still dog him. Fifty-six percent of voters said they were either very (38 percent) or somewhat (18 percent) concerned that the Illinois senator "lacks the experience needed to be an effective president." For McCain, his Achilles heel is the perception that he represents a continuation of the Bush Administration's policies. Sixty-three percent said they were very (42 percent) or somewhat (21 percent) concerned that the Arizona senator would "pursue policies that are too similar to what George W. Bush has pursued."

The key to knowing whether these numbers are simply an outlier or the leading indicator of a McCain post-convention bounce will be to see what other credible national polls -- including the Post's own survey to be released tomorrow -- show about the race.

A series of positive poll numbers for McCain will drive a narrative that the Arizona senator -- through his vice presidential pick -- has reclaimed the momentum in the race and continued to embolden the previously lethargic Republican base.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 8, 2008; 1:04 PM ET
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When you are done talking my fellow aremticans Obama will be presedent!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 9, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Defending Sarah Palin as VP is a Culture-War Hand Grenade. Palin's church says Jews deserve to be victims of terrorism
Brickner, [Palin's church leader] also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity. Palin was in church that day and did nothing. If they think that way about Jews ohhhhhh boy I'm in trouble.

Posted by: gmack | September 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

TALK ABOUT BEING OFF MESSAGE


OBAMA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING AMERICA TO THE "NEW POLITICS." OBAMA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE "THE ONE" TO SHOW AMERICA THE WAY.


Running scared and worried, message thrown aside, Obama is making mistakes


Quotes from Politico today below:


IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE HOW THROWN-OFF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IS RIGHT NOW - COMPLETELY OFF MESSAGE AND REELING - IS THIS HOW OBAMA WOULD RESPOND IN A NATIONAL SECURITY CRISIS ???

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QUOTES FROM POLITICO ENCLOSED BELOW:


"Barack Obama and his Democratic allies are intensifying their attacks on Sarah Palin, as her sustained and surprising central role in this race is upending Obama’s strategy and often overshadowing McCain.

Democratic Congressman Russ Carnahan on Tuesday – introducing Joe Biden at a campaign event – ripped into Palin’s record and punctuated it with this snarky jab. “There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,” he said. Obama himself used similar langauge later in the day about the McCain-Palin reform rhetoric, saying "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig."

Former New York Mayor Ed Koch, as part of his endorsement of Obama, said Palin “scares the hell out of me.” And Obama hit Palin in nearly a dozen different press releases – one day after drawing laughs at a campaign stop by calling her a “moose shooter.”

It isn’t just Democratic officials who are fixated on Palin. Media outlets on the left – from Talking Points Memo to Huffington Post – are loaded with hard-hitting stories about Palin. McCain often seems like he’s playing second fiddle."

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 9, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

The RNC could lynch a black man right now on public tv, have gay sex in a walmart bathroom, and fire all the government employees that ever voted for a democrat and they would still gain 1-2 points in the gallup poll.

Mccain took his Palin shot and is not invulnerable to logic. Lies win. People voting for Mccain believe tv ads, they have no idea how he is the worst flip flopper ever aired on television.

People are excited about Obama. Republicans are excited Mccain might die and put Palin in charge. This is no longer Mccain vs Obama. It is Palin vs Obama. People that are voting for Mccain have no idea what is going on and will never read this. They are lost sheep.

Posted by: Scott Schindler - Dallas | September 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Teri Osborn on this one. After Alito and Roberts (both committed "yes-men" to whatever the executive wants to do, whether its torturing prisoners, spying on citizens without warrant or otherwise ignoring the Constitution) we CAN'T permit the appointment of even ONE more of that type. Yes, the Senate is accorded the opportunity to confirm or reject a Supreme Court candidate proposed by the President, but as we saw with the invasion of Iraq, Congress lacks the backbone to provide strong oversight of the executive. On the other hand, the high court is in NO danger of tipping too far the other direction any time in the near future, because the Justices who will be retiring next are the more liberal ones(at least, by comparison to Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas...in any other context, nobody who is paying attention would call them Liberal at all).

If you don't want the Supreme Court to go completely right-wing bananas, for a very long time, better vote for Obama.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | September 9, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

To Taylor Johnson,

This was a fairly well thought out and written piece.

So if someone doesn't like Obama it is because they are racist, and if the Republicans put Sarah on the ticket it is because they are using sexism.

Isn't it possible the Democratic Party was using racism by putting Obama on the ticket and people who don't like Sarah are sexist?

Posted by: Quizzical | September 9, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

To Teri Osborn,

This is a very well written and well thought out position. However, since you addressed the issue of checks and balances, let's look at checks and balances as relates to appointment of Supreme Court Justices. The President nominates and appoints Justices "with the advice and consent of Congress". Historically, some of our most moderate voting Justices have been the appointments of very conservative or very liberal administrations that had to get the appointment through an opposition Congress. Don't you think this Don't you think a heavily Democrat controlled Congress would be able to force the appointment of moderate Justices?

Oh, and you might have missed the point at which McCain gave Palin a big hug and the numerous times they walked back and forth together across the stage with his are around her back. Yes, I am sure McCann would have liked to have Liebermann as his VP - I know they are my personal pick for a "dream team" but do you really think a McCann/Liebermann ticket was electable? Don't you think selecting Liebermann may have been the same as conceding the election?

Posted by: Quizzical | September 9, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Whether McCain wins the election is anyone's guess. However what I do think we have learned is Governor Palin is a force to be reckoned with and is the future of the Republican Party.

Also, the Democratic party, or should I say the liberal faction of the party is really starting to show their true colors and the American public is having a hard time digesting it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The modern day Democratic party and a good deal of their voters remind me of a five year old in the grocery store who spots a piece of candy and asks their parents if they can have it. The parent says "no" so they start pitching a hissy fit. The more and more the parent says "no" the louder the tantrum becomes. The Democratic party has become the temper-tantrum party- they do not get their way they lose it.

Posted by: Democrats and 5 year olds | September 9, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Anybody can be VP, Look at Palin. All you have to do is get a Presidential candidate that can't energize his base, and their you are. His campaign will write your speeches, and tell you what to say, when to say it, and how to say it. You don't have to even do interviews or have a press conference. The campaign like Mccains' will set you up with easy interviews which make you look like you know what your talking about when you really don't. Now isn't that an easy way to be just a heart beat away from the presidency? Ask Palin, its her new role.
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The same could be said about Mr. Obama. For 19 months he has not had to answer the tough questions that someone who is running at the head of their ticket should have to answer.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in my life I am interested in the presidential election. I am fairly young so I don't have many elections that I participated in. I am happy we have a black man and a women being nominated. At the same time this election saddens. It saddens me because you can clearly see this election has racism and sexism written all over it.

I cannot even tell you the last time I've seen middle class and lower middle class citizens experience the same hardships. We then have these rich politicians visit those communities only when it's time to be re-elected. We now have a man, who happens to be a black man (biracial however you want to call it) who is addressing these issues. Not only does he address these issues he backs it up because he spent a fair amount of time of his life fighting for those who did not have a voice due to lack of economic gain. As a few bloggers are stating he does not have much government experience. But I have to question those bloggers by asking what about those veterans who are in office that have so much experience but yet are screwing the citizens of this country over. How can someone with so much experience lack being in touch with the people? And when I say the people I mean all those in the states not just those that help fund a campaign.

Now I believe the majority of the bloggers and some political experts are saying Obama lacks experience to cover up their racist views. Why is it when you are in school government officials ask for you to volunteer in community service because it will give you a sense of helping those that are not so privileged, but soon as a man of color want to run for president his community service is mocked? Then to add insult to injury you question his patriotism to the country because of his last name. The truth is those with the weak excuses fear a black man representing the US. And for those with the weak excuses please don't say it is not racism because since day one hints of racist statements crept up.

Now the sexism part comes into play with the Palin nomination. Why are some citizens so naïve to see the game the McCain camp is playing? Come on now, do you really think he wanted a woman by his side to be possible second in command. The only reason why he chose a woman was to pick up those undecided registered voters who prefer seeing a female in office. In my opinion, that is a slap in the face to women because they are only needed when a man is losing a battle. I know there are a lot of women that analyzed this scheme and, as I see from the blogs, some are not falling for it while others are because they want to see history made by seeing a woman in office.

To be honest, I want the most balanced person to win this election. When I say balanced I suggest they see the bigger picture for all US citizens. Being balanced means I do not have to agree with everything this person says, but respect that this person is trying to make life better for us all regardless of race, gender, or religion. For me, as I follow the interviews/debates/blogs, McCain-Palin does not do it for me. They don't express themselves as balanced and willing to view us all as equals.

Posted by: Taylor Johnson | September 9, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I have a statement. For all of us that want to believe that John McCain is a moderate Republican, a “maverick” or even a liberal Republican I just need to get this off of my chest and then I’ll be good to go. I say this because I was thinking the SAME way. In fact, just last week, following John McCain’s closing speech of the Republican National Convention (RNC) I was reminded by my husband that I was rooting for a Howard Dean/John McCain ticket several moons back!!! Like the year 2000 I think . . .ANYWAY . . . The point I want to get across is regarding the appointments of the Supreme Court Justices. These are decisions that will affect our children, grandchildren and even possibly THEIR grandchildren. These are lifetime appointments and if a Justice is in his/her 40’s or 50’s they could be part of the Supreme Court for 30 or 40 years! That is a long time.

I firmly believe that John McCain, if elected, will appoint two and possibly up to four Supreme Court Justices that will serve the highest court in our land as extreme right decision makers. I think he will be under pressure from the Republican party to do so and I think he will succumb to the pressure. What makes me think so? Three things that I thought would NEVER happen.

1. John McCain spoke at Jerry Falwell’s college ( the day he spoke there I KNEW he was going to run for President of the United States).

2. John McCain authorized torture by the United States (if you watched the RNC video you know this was not the ‘maverick’ of old).

3. John McCain allowed his party to NOT LET HIM name Joe Liebermann as his running mate. I am a feminist down to my toenails but bear with me, I’m making a point. Go back and look at when and where John and Joe were out campaigning! Overseas and as recently as the last two months or so! Clearly the choice was made for him. It was a panicked choice by his party. Go back and watch the footage following Sara Palin’s speech on Wednesday of the RNC. John McCain makes a surprise visit to the stage following her speech and he keeps his back to her the whole time! When he does regain his composure to speak it is to Mr. Palin not to Sarah. He was miffed, REALLY miffed and we all know how angry John McCain can be . . .but then he does a 180 the next day!! He is told by his party to suck it up and he does!

I studied our Constitution and our systems of government in college. It really is a miraculous system that we have. Yes, she has flaws, but overall it’s pretty incredible! I truly believed it WAS inspired by God, but that being said, although I am a born again Christian I FIRMLY believe in the separation of church and state; the Bible tells us to go into our ‘closet’ and pray in private to the Lord . . .not go out into the streets pounding the Torah like the Pharisees . . . .okay . . .I’m rambling . . .back to my point - our government was set up to have checks and balances. The next President will appoint two to four Supreme Court Justices during his term. To have a balanced “checks and balances” system in the highest court in our land we must have moderate, to liberal moderate Justices appointed this time around. We must! And the people reading this, if you’re still reading . . .know this is true. I do not believe that there is anything inherently bad with either party; however, when the President only signed like two or three vetoes in eight years, seriously it could not have been more than five - that shows us that the system of checks and balances were not in place. Legislation went screaming through the halls of government and look at the mess we are in! Economy, energy, housing, unemployment rates, we know that is not how our government was set up to function! We are supposed to have discussions, and conversations, and vetoes, and filibusters, and all that stuff & junk that constitutes our fine nation’s checks and balances!

We cannot have two more extreme right Supreme Court Justices. We cannot.

Posted by: Teri Osborn | September 9, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between Gov. Sara Palin and George Bush? Lipstick!!

Posted by: Hoosier State | September 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse


The funny part is, this moron actually thinks she is running for VP. She is nothing but a political "STOOGE" and doesn't seem to know it yet. If by some chance they would win. She would get a staff and a desk and will do what she is told and keep her mouth shut. Her staff will probably be made up of Cheney people and Cheney will in fact still be the VP. You don't think this hillbilly moron from the back woods will have anything to say about anything do you? This is like some kind of tired movie plot.

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Anybody can be VP, Look at Palin. All you have to do is get a Presidential candidate to vote for you and then they'll write your speeches, and tell you what to say, when to say it, and how to say it. You don't have to even to interviews or have a press conference. The campaign like Mccains' can even set you up with easy interviews that make you look like you know what your talking about when you really don't. Now isn't that an easy way to be just a heart beat away from the presidency? Ask Palin, its her new role.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:24 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Palin herself had an abortion before she was married. That may be why she is such a fanatic about it, "Guilt".

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Palin is against abortion even in cases of rape and incest. For the sake of women's health and our daughters' lives, we must oppose McCain/Palin. What kind of judges will they appoint? Too scary.

Posted by: Linda G. | September 9, 2008 10:29 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I just wanted to say to all the PUMA's out there that are voting for Palin/McCain ticket just to get back at DNC and Obama - you were never democrats and were only wolves in not so sheepish clothes. So quit, parading yourself as democrats "so angry at the
Who cares about them they are a joke anyway. They tried to put togeather a rally in Miami and like 4 as in "FOUR" showed up. At the DNC convention they were there with cheap homemade signs. When Chris Mathews interviewed them they said they had 3 million members. Mathews asked how many were at the convention. There were two.


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DNC that you are willing to risk appointing Supreme Court judges that might try to overturn Roe Vs.Wade, or for a candidate that will surely reinstate the Draft. Florida voters like me, have the sense to realize the democratic primaries are over and now it is time for us to vote on the issues and for our Party and Obama. Quit trying to use us in Florida & Hillary when you were Republicans all along. We have your number and We are United. Tell
Rove - nice try but it didn't work.
Posted by: Robin | September 9, 2008 9:40 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I am watching a Mccain rally and Palin uses a Teleprompter and gives exactly the same speech every time. It seems the Obama's message is getting through. When she got to the bridge to know where line " I told them thanks but no thanks" That used to be one of her big applause lines, It was silent. The lie has been so debunked even an audience that came there to see them doesn't want to her the BS anymore. Obama needs to keep beating back the lies. Palin is nothing but a fraud and a political stooge and it is beginning to come through even to the Mccain supporters.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Palin is against abortion even in cases of rape and incest. For the sake of women's health and our daughters' lives, we must oppose McCain/Palin. What kind of judges will they appoint? Too scary.

Posted by: Linda G. | September 9, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I just wanted to say to all the PUMA's out there that are voting for Palin/McCain ticket just to get back at DNC and Obama - you were never democrats and were only wolves in not so sheepish clothes. So quit, parading yourself as democrats "so angry at the DNC that you are willing to risk appointing Supreme Court judges that might try to overturn Roe Vs.Wade, or for a candidate that will surely reinstate the Draft. Florida voters like me, have the sense to realize the democratic primaries are over and now it is time for us to vote on the issues and for our Party and Obama. Quit trying to use us in Florida & Hillary when you were Republicans all along. We have your number and We are United. Tell
Rove - nice try but it didn't work.

Posted by: Robin | September 9, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

If you were served a meal that looked
good and smelled good, and then you
were offered a picture of a meal which looked truly outstanding, an epicurean delight, which would you eat?

Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying."

Sarah Palin is real. She is solid. She is not
posing. Obama is shaken. He tried to compare his presidential run to her mayorship, ignoring that her current job is much bigger than his.

He is posing as a big man who understands little men. Problem with that is revealed by Sarah Palin's whole being.

She is simply a person who is extraordinarily successful. She is not angry. She is not a victim. She is not an elitist. She does not put on airs. She has not practiced looking statesmanlike.

Her being trumps his story.

It doesn't look good for the Dems. When she said the presidency is not a journey of self discovery, it was a devastating blow.

When she pointed out that Obama can speak at length about the war and not use the word 'victory' once except to refer to his own electoral success, it was another devastating blow.

If the media were to dig into what a community organizer is...what he produced...how many jobs he "created", it would not look good on him.

Her powerful convention speech scrambled the dynamic at CNN. I never would have thought I would see Anderson Cooper musing out loud about the bias that is endemic to their coverage. And watching the female commentators interrupt the males saying, "No, you don't get it".

The Dems are in trouble. She is vulnerable
on a few points. But Obama's whole edifice, so artfully constructed, is creaking and threatening to crumble.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm really tired of all this brainless babbling about taxes. You want an endless war for profit? You want record deficits? You want to extend huge tax breaks for big oil and multi-millionaires? WELL SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR IT! Just where do these morons think the money is going to come from? God? bigfoot? martians? Well think again. Fairy tales are not going to repay all the waste and out of control spending of the Bush years. It seems to me if Obama is talking about raising taxes, it makes more sense than ANYTHING from the Republican party I haven't heard. Historically, life is tough during wartime. People should have to do without a lot of things. Then, maybe the next time an administration lies a nation into war for profit people will think twice about letting the sorry scum get away with it.

Posted by: Mark Bohannon | September 9, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama has 300 paid staff bloggers at Obama headquarters who he is exercising no control over - is this how he intends to run the government ??


Can you imagine these paid Obama bloggers in an administration making policy??


THANK GOD THIS NATION HAS JOHN MCCAIN AND SARAH PALIN TO VOTE FOR.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

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Obama's people are desperate to cut apart Palin - it is unbelievable. Forget about Obama's campaign theme of the "new politics" and how different Obama is. Obama is a FRAUD TO HIS OWN CAMPAIGN THEME - JUST READ HIS BLOGGERS.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 9, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

This will all be good for a chuckle in a few weeks after Barbie McMoosalini wears off as the flavor of the week.

McSame's been down so long now that this little uptick is making big headlines. But this "bounce" is due almost exclusively to a shift in women's preferences. That won't last.

As soon as the her extremist positions become a little more well known (anti-choice -- even in rape and incest cases, global warming denier, teaching creationism in schools, anti sex-education in schools, etc. etc.) women will sour on her.

Also, no one's paying much attention, but selecting Biden is paying off for Obama in Florida in a big way. He's very popular with the senior dems down there, and Hillary is also campaigning in Florida as well. The net result is, Obama's pulled even, and this does not take his organizational advantages into effect, nor does it account for the huge gains democrats have made in registering voters due to the long primary.

Posted by: tvi | September 9, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Anybody can be VP, Look at Palin. All you have to do is get a Presidential candidate that can't energize his base, and their you are. His campaign will write your speeches, and tell you what to say, when to say it, and how to say it. You don't have to even do interviews or have a press conference. The campaign like Mccains' will set you up with easy interviews which make you look like you know what your talking about when you really don't. Now isn't that an easy way to be just a heart beat away from the presidency? Ask Palin, its her new role.

Posted by: Susan | September 9, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Anybody can be VP, Look at Palin. All you have to do is get a Presidential candidate to vote for you and then they'll write your speeches, and tell you what to say, when to say it, and how to say it. You don't have to even to interviews or have a press conference. The campaign like Mccains' can even set you up with easy interviews that make you look like you know what your talking about when you really don't. Now isn't that an easy way to be just a heart beat away from the presidency? Ask Palin, its her new role.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Anybody dumb enough to vote for McBush again deserves what they get.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Republicans have always fought dirty.

Just because someone supports Obama on the web doesn't mean that he or she was hired by Obama. We are just smarter than you are.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Here are my thoughts:

http://www.novafantasysports.com

Posted by: Obama | September 8, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Only republicans would think of blaming Obama for blogs. Rove strikes again. Anybody of the blogging class can't afford to vote republican. If you do, you've been suckered again by the fake images they create. Get informed about protecting your interests so that you can't be used again.

Posted by: Not a paid Obama Blogger | September 8, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Notice how there is no mention of this in Chris Cillizza's blog entry:

"On the dominant issue of the race, the economy, McCain has whittled Obama's advantage to five points, the smallest it has been all year."

Why mention it here if you're not even going to tell your readers what the numbers were?

"• The issue environment is not as terrible as it once was for Republicans. Obama still carries significant edges on education (+17) and healthcare (+12) but on the two most high profile issues of late -- the economy and energy policy -- the candidates are running statistically even. McCain has a ten-point edge on which of the two nominees is better equipped to handle the situation in Iraq and a 17-point bulge on terrorism. The downballot indicators have improved for Republicans as well; the generic congressional ballot, where Democrats have long held a considerable edge, is now at 48 percent Democrat, 45 percent Republican."

Posted by: Barno | September 8, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

As a woman watching the Dem primary, I got a real lesson in what it is like for a woman in politics. I'm not a Hillary supporter but watching Obama compare Hillary to Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, the "Bro's before Ho's" and "Iron my shirt" slogans at his rallys, and the lack of response from the Democratic Party to step in and say something was inappropriate and insulting to women everywhere.

Pelosi and Howard Dean are a true disgrace.

Because of them tho, the nomination of Sarah Palin has been a true delight, and I am so proud of the Republican Party for their unprecedented support of a woman as their VP pick.

Lesson here .... don't mess with a woman. You won't like what the polls will do to your campaigns.

Posted by: Shame on Pelosa and Dean. | September 8, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

The more we learn about Palin, the worse her pick appears.

For:
-Banning books in libraries.
-Making rape victims carry their rapists babies.
-The $400 million dollar bridge to nowhere. When it became popular she suddenly went against it, but kept the 400 mil.
-Teaching creationism in Science classes.
-Alaska seceding from the USA. Look into her, and her husbands support of the Alaskan Independence Party which adovcates secession.
-Believes that God sent us into the Iraq war. If by God she means Bush...
-Getting troopers fired who are in custody battles with her sister. Now she is trying to squash the Troopergate investigation.

Posted by: Sean | September 8, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the public is starting to get tired of the Obamas...Obama-fatigue.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I am with you aspergirl..

These people are hopeless.

McCain/Palin 08
:-)

Posted by: dcgal | September 8, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Why not a woman? | September 8, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

There I've said it. I don't care what any of you think about my comments, YOU DON'T COUNT. I'm the only one who makes any sense on here anyway. mCcAIN/pALIN 08

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Posted by: Why not Hillary? | September 8, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Chris


Obama has 300 paid staff bloggers at Obama headquarters who he is exercising no control over - is this how he intends to run the government ??


Can you imagine these paid Obama bloggers in an administration making policy??


THANK GOD THIS NATION HAS JOHN MCCAIN AND SARAH PALIN TO VOTE FOR.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

It is becoming clear that Obama's vindictive decision to snub Hillary Clinton as VP will cost him the presidency...Thank God!

Posted by: RollTide | September 8, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama is Arabic for Dukakis.

Posted by: NObama | September 8, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

John

You are a paid Obama staffer please identify yourself as such everytime you post.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 8, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Chris

I hope you or someone can start addressing this issue: With so much attention paid to polling, why doesn't anyone ever mention that in order to participate in a poll, you must own a home phone. It is illegal to be called on a cell phone. I, like many people these days, only have a cell phone.

Therefore I would like someone to comment on the fact that these national polls, all showing the presidential race to be close or with McCain leading, do not accurately reflect much of anything.

Posted by: John | September 8, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

TO Dean/ Pelosi/ Reid and the DNC:

You have seen the polls today, right? Well just to let you know the few [or maybe not so few] silent women who you dismissed like you dismissed Hillary Clinton will be heard with a roar Nov. 4th.
We are anger and NOW you want Hillary to clean up your mess. Too damn late.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin really believes that God uses terrorism in order to punish Jews? Really? What God is this woman refering to?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Just read Mike Allen's piece on Politico.com about Charlie Gibson's upcoming "interview" with Sarah Palin. Good grief! Instead of an honest-to-goodness SUBSTANTIVE hard-hitting INTERVIEW it sounds more like Charlie will be doing a PUFF CELEBRITY PIECE EXTRAORDINAIRE ala Barbara Walters!! This is really pathetic. No hard-hitting Q&A. Disgraceful. Is the rest of the MSM going to let Rick Davis & Co. get away with this? Can you imagine if this were "STEVE PALIN" - a total newcomer to the national political scene - who had not uttered ONE SINGLE UNSCRIPTED WORD IN 11 DAYS since being chosen??? Would the MSM be so meek and frankly, cowardly? Or would they create such a hew and cry about "Steve's" avoidance of answering TOUGH ISSUES questions that "Steve" would feel compelled to hold a press conference, do the Sunday political shows, etc.??? ONLY the WONDERFUL ROGER SIMON of POLITICO has had the GUTS to say that if Palin cannot answer the really TOUGH ISSUES questions from the MSM RIGHT NOW she has no business running to be VP! How about it MSM??? Are you as BRAVE as ROGER SIMON??? Or are you COWARDS who are SHIRKING your journalistic duties?


Posted by: Teresa | September 8, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Iam sick and tired of the cultural wars the Republicans keep bring every 4 years! PALIN has reintroduced the cultural war again!

We are Americans, we are better than this! we are better than fighting another cultural war, when our economy is tanking!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if DNC can still dump Obama(or make him the VP candidate instead of that boring Biden)and nominate Hillary? Is this possible?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

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The paid staffers at Obama's headquarters have been so nasty to Sarah Palin and her family.

When it comes down to writing the history of this election -


It will be said that the paid Obama bloggers brought down the campaign with their nasty and obnoxious postings which the American people have REJECTED.


McCain and Sarah are now leading in the polls and they will pull further ahead week by week.


The paid Obama bloggers have destroyed Obama's campaign - this is completely fitting - the paid Obama staffers blogging have been harassing other posters for months and finally the American people have seen these people for who they really are - AND THEY SEE OBAMA FOR THE OBNOXIOUS PERSON HE IS FOR ALLOWING HIS PAID STAFF BLOGGERS TO ABUSE OTHER AMERICANS WHO ARE EXERCISING THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM OF SPEECH - GOOD RIDDANCE MR. OBAMA.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 8, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats will never learn...narcissitic Americans love people 'just like them' - works every time. They need a good old C or D student, with some sort of accent or inability to pronounce words next time.

Posted by: Vote for me! | September 8, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

NO! We let extremists ruin our country, economy a decade ago... we are not letting them force PALIN on us again!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

This is turning into the worst defeat the Democrats have ever suffered. Abysmal.

Thanks Dean/Pelosi/Reid and the rest of the Democratic National Clusterf*ck!

Posted by: Andy Gustaffson | September 8, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

37thAndO said,
"Sarah can handle a gun - that is enough for me. The message is: you do not have to worry about her giving the order to shoot the terrorists - SHE IS GOING TO SHOOT THEM HERSELF."

Not only am I giving up home for America and this election. The fact that people as stupid as you vote makes me want to give up on Democracy.

Posted by: DonB | September 8, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

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McCain and Sarah are ahead and they will not be looking back!


http://www.myspace.com/37thandostreet

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 8, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Since McCain's h.c. plan taxes the value of that benefit to empolyees, maybe $12-$15,000, is that not a huge tax increase? Perhaps he is hoping that no one in the media will bother to read the details of his h.c. plan.


Posted by: Leicihtman | September 8, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Sarah are ahead and they will not be looking back!


http://www.myspace.com/37thandostreet

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 8, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"The thought of his (McCain) being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." - U.S. Senator Thad Cochran (Republican - Mississippi)

Posted by: anonymous | September 8, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain's h.c plan is intended to push people out of employer sponsored h.c.
Don't believe these details Greg?


"John McCain made the attack on employer-provided insurance his health-care centerpiece. He would eliminate the tax exclusion workers get for health benefits their employers provide; in other words, he would require workers to pay income taxes on the value of their health insurance, while companies would still get to deduct the costs for providing that coverage. In its place, McCain would offer families a tax credit of $5000 -- and individuals a credit of $2500 -- to buy their own insurance. (They'd get the credit even if they didn't pay taxes.) So far, the press has failed to examine what's at stake here for workers and their bosses -- that, in the long run, employer coverage could disappear, and that, in the short run, they may have to pay taxes on some portion of their health benefits, no matter who wins in November. In effect, it's an unspoken tax increase which has yet to surface in campaign conversation."

Try buying h.c for $200/mo or $400/mo for your family Greg. Don't believe me Greg. READ THE PLAN.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

going to replace Hillary? Ha Ha..
she's a redneck moose hunter mentality read on its Fact Checked
Dear friends,

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in common: their gender and their good looks.

You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

Thanks,
Anne

ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child’s favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because she is a “babe”.

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is “pro-life”. She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She’s smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later–to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today’s surplus, borrow for needs.

She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal–loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated” her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska’s top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit, exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects–which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance–but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah’s mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT

“Hockey mom”: true for a few years
“PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
“NRA supporter”: absolutely true
social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
“Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
“Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
political maverick: not at all
gutsy: absolutely!
open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla’s history.
pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I’ve always operated in the belief that “Bad things happen when good people stay silent”. Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don’t have a job she can bump me out of. I don’t belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that’s life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah’s attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can’t recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall–they are swamped. So I can’t verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my “about 5,000″, up to 9,000. The day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.

Anne Kilkenny
August 31, 2008

Posted by: grdn_nell | September 8, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I have read what was posted below. I don't see where this is true? What line never mind if you could post the line otherwise we will be going back and forth too much.

THX

Posted by: Greg | September 8, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Greg have you bothered to read the DETAILS of the McCain healthcare plan? If so and you work for a fortune 500 company who's employees will be stripped of employer sponsored healthcare please tell me how you intend to pay for your coverage?

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

>> Observer wrote: "Huh? What's with asper???"

People posting things using my name that aren't from me.

Another trick of cyberbullies to harass & drive away those who aren't Obama supporters.

They are also getting revenge for the uncomprehending rage that they feel over their failing candidate.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

You all know you are blowing smoke when you accuse Jennifer of lying about her having African American family. The fact that she's on here feeling entitled to talk the way she is talking implies that she identifies with the struggle in a personal way.

You are all politically and socially impoverished when you don't even think white people with black family are allowed to talk about what the Obama candidacy means to them.

The biggest problem with the Obama camp & supporters being out of touch is your intolerance to other points of view. Like Bush, you live in an ideological bubble-world and you make big mistakes and, like Obama did last week, get sandbagged when you are surprised by the reality you shut out. Getting sandbagged by reality is what happens to clueless ideologues who try to shut up people with contrarian views.

Jennifer is entitled to speak about her experiences. You are not entitleYou all know you are blowing smoke when you accuse Jennifer of lying about her having African American family. The fact that she's on here feeling entitled to talk the way she is talking implies that she identifies with the struggle in a personal way.

You are all politically and socially impoverished when you don't even think white people with black family are allowed to talk about what the Obama candidacy means to them.

The biggest problem with the Obama camp & supporters being out of touch is your intolerance to other points of view. Like Bush, you live in an ideological bubble-world and you make big mistakes and, like Obama did last week, get sandbagged when you are surprised by the reality you shut out. Getting sandbagged by reality is what happens to clueless ideologues who try to shut up people with contrarian views.

Jennifer is entitled to speak about her experiences. She's more interesting than you clueless, out of touch iYou all know you are blowing smoke when you accuse Jennifer of lying about her having African American family. The fact that she's on here feeling entitled to talk the way she is talking implies that she identifies with the struggle in a personal way.

You are all politically and socially impoverished when you don't even think white people with black family are allowed to talk about what the Obama candidacy means to them.

The biggest problem with the Obama camp & supporters being out of touch is your intolerance to other points of view. Like Bush, you live in an ideological bubble-world and you make big mistakes and, like Obama did last week, get sandbagged when you are surprised by the reality you shut out. Getting sandbagged by reality is what happens to clueless ideologues who try to shut up people with contrarian views.

Jennifer is entitled to speak about her experiences. iYou all know you are blowing smoke when you accuse Jennifer of lying about her having African American family. The fact that she's on here feeling entitled to talk the way she is talking implies that she identifies with the struggle in a personal way.

You are all politically and socially impoverished when you don't even think white people with black family are allowed to talk about what the Obama candidacy means to them.

The biggest problem with the Obama camp & supporters being out of touch is your intolerance to other points of view. Like Bush, you live in an ideological bubble-world and you make big mistakes and, like Obama did last week, get sandbagged when you are surprised by the reality you shut out. Getting sandbagged by reality is what happens to clueless ideologues who try to shut up people with contrarian views.

Jennifer is entitled to speak about her experiences. She's a lot more interesting than you out of touch, cult-of-Obama drones are.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain's will be a disaster for most famiies and all American Fortune 500 Companies.????????

What are you talking about?

Posted by: greg | September 8, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I find it ironic that McCain is calling himself the maverick but yet does not have the capacity to come up with his own campaign slogan. This guy doesn`t have the total control of his campaign due to Carl Rove,Davis and Liberman. Will these guys stay on if he is elected and run the white house?

How can McCain implement his change after being in the company of Bush for eight years of corruption? Did he close his eyes to what was going on then and now since running for president he is singing like a canary about his party buddies,as if he wasn`t part of the high jacking of this country. Why all of a sudden he see change? Why would his party need change suddenly when the American people knew it years ago? What kind of change is he proposing? Didn`t he then feel as though Bush was doing a great job? McCain is asking the American people for his chance to straighten things out and why? If all is well then it should be well enough for McCain and he shouldn`t be talking about change.

Posted by: Vernon | September 8, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

THE DEMOCRATS ATTACK ON GOV. PALIN ABOUT THE BRIDGE-TO-NO-WHERE IS DEFINATELY SILLY.


Fact is the Governor thought this project was a good project. However, after closer analysis, she realized the bridge was a bad project, and did not build it, period!

BTW, the fact that she did not return the money to the Federal Government but gave it to the people of Alaska is no big deal because she did not personally use the money.

Posted by: Justin T. | September 8, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Huh? What's with asper???

Posted by: Observer | September 8, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

wow $20,000 I hope that is for more than your immediate family. That is precisely why we need to buy h.c in large pools where sml biness lose out. Yea Medicare is looking good but not for a while and the GOP would call that socialism its actually a Govt run program. So you undertand that if your family works for a large corp, suddenly their 'er no longer provides h.c. and you are given $400/month, how disastrous that would be. His plan is not Canadian and you would have the right to buy coverage at the same premium Congress does,at lower premiums with no pre existing medica condition descrimination. Spoke with a Canadian CEO who told me that his corp. premiums are much cheaper than Amercan corps. and that his employer are only inconveninced with truly elective procedures(he said Calgary is changing that), but Obama's plan is not Canadian. I strongly suggest you read the details of both plans; McCain's will be a disaster for most famiies and all American Fortune 500 Companies.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

What am I saying. Forgive my drivveling.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

No. Someone that loks like me did.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. Did I just post that???

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Here I go again, ranting. But I have nothing else to do today, but attack as many Obamites as I can.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Jenni girl,

Right on! I don't trust anyone that aligns with California liberals.

Posted by: Jose P. | September 8, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

>>Anonymous wrote: "Jennifer - Lady I don't think anyone on here really is interested in your fabications. You should write a book with these rantings....they'd make for a good comic series."

Why are you lying to her? If Jennifer weren't interesting, you wouldn't be attacking her and trying to shut her up.

There is nothing "ranting" about her posts. She has things & feelings to share, unlike most Obama supporters who come here from there blog sites to pretend to be real readers, posting phony stories & words of support for Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Power to the people!!!!

Posted by: Caitlyn | September 8, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I am an African-American and would think that he would spend more time focus on our race.

Posted by: Caitlyn | September 8, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer - Lady I don't think anyone on here really is interested in your fabications. You should write a book with these rantings....they'd make for a good comic series.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Why does Barama, his nutty wife and preacher, expend so much energy disrespecting white folks? What's that all about?

Posted by: Caitlyn | September 8, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

My last, Enjoy your last word Bye:

Obama is very very liberal and as an example voted against the Anti-late term abortion law when Obama was in the Illinois state Senate--and he was present for the whole debate. How can a Christian vote for such a evil stance.

That is not mention he is staunch advocate of the estate tax. He called(QUOTE) "Upon the Christians and the Jewish community to and the Muslims to convene on Washington to oppose the repeal of the estate tax." --I wonder how he expects farmers to pass on their farm to their kids?? On the other hand it is even more strange that he uses a term called the "ownership society" and opposes things such as health savings accounts and school choice as he says they are like "social Darwinism." He is more socialist than any other candidate--can you say, HELLO BIG GOVERNMENT--HELLO SOCIALISM

Obama is Corrupt as the day is long, Tony Rezko , an indicted political fundraiser (under federal corruption investigation for receiving $6 million in kickback favor deals) is a close friend who Obama approached to buy property with---while the crook was still being investigated. Obama agreed to buy one lot and Rezko bought the other lot and then sold part of it to Obama. Now Obama paid $300 000 LESS than the asking price while the adjoining equally value property was bought by the crook at FULL asking price--sound crooked?? Of course it is as both properties where bought from the same seller. So why did Barrack get the land so cheap? Because the seller let the land go cheap to Barrack while he got his asking price from the crook, Rezko. Also, Rezko helped raise $60,000 for Barrack's campaign. SO what deal was made between these two (besides Rezko's business associate getting an internship. What does Obama now say? He now admits the deal was a "mistake." Bull, he is an obvious ethics question don't you think??

This is not about a first black president. As white people agree that it would great for race relations to allow a black president. It is absurd to think that this has anything to do with race !! We have long had good race relations. America was ready for a black president at least 8 years ago when it was shown that Colin Powell would easily beat Clinton by no less than 10% (according to polls). In other words Colin , a black, would have easily been our next president--if he wanted. So why is black an issue?? There are other politicals who are black whom I could much easier accept but I will never accept this liberal Hallmark card. The only thing Obama represents is: that the chance for the Republicans to appeal to the blacks is crushed (because who would vote against one "of their own" to support a Republican). LOTS of whites will be voting for the WRONG reason just to break the glass ceiling and become a "part of history" to vote in the first "black" (he is only half black) president. Reporters are going to continue to taught Dr. Martin Luther King's dream and how it is finally becoming a reality. AH, just a minute, it became reality a long time ago--just the Blacks won't accept it and the reporters are too stupid to realize it--I guess they have needlessly guilty feelings for being white.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Sarah can handle a gun - that is enough for me. The message is: you do not have to worry about her giving the order to shoot the terrorists - SHE IS GOING TO SHOOT THEM HERSELF.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 8, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous | September 8, 2008 7:34 PM

Good Post. Altho, it is doubtful the repubs on here will see the 'truth'. Blind leading the blind in the repub party. Oh, well. What would we expect otherwise.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain Rules !!! Did you see that video clip of Sarah Palin shooting the gun???

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 8, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Hummm.... maybe I did post it. Sorry, it's been a long day.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 8, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, I didn't make that last post. Someone else did.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 8, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry everyone. I don't know what came over me.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 8, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Leichtmachy,

Thanks for the advice but I already have 11 years of college. I suspect you argue with everyone and win. Some people just want to fawn that they are hurt. I suspect you are much tougher than you pretend. You were never offended by anything or you would have taken a hike to any of a million other sites.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually Leichtman, believe it or not we pay over 20,000 a year for medical insurance with a fairly large deductible to boot. This is mainly because of health problems but I have to say that medicare's starting to look pretty good to me. I agree that something must be done to bring down costs-boy do I!-but one thing I do know for sure is that I don't want the government running my healthcare in any way. Canada is starting to have more problems with their system and so is opening private pay facilities.

Posted by: Kathy | September 8, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

For all the people who claim that cell users, and therefore young Obama voters, are being under counted, here is a reality check: tossing out your land line became popular 10+ years ago, it is not something that erupted with the Facebook generation. There are plenty of Republicans and Independents (myself included) who don't have land lines and only have cell phones, and are emphatically not Obama voters.

Posted by: hj | September 8, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer

Get off of this band wagon of black person-white-person crap and get back to the discussion regarding the article printed above. Or haven't you read it?

Posted by: Observer | September 8, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Thomas Paine - please take off the tin hat-
its embarrassing already.

Posted by: john | September 8, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

WhatYouSaid
Convenient, I am sorry did you just call me a liar? THat is stupid.

Anyhow, I can tell you lots of stories about the adoption. I love how certain groups hate it when a white person adopts a black. We had that as well. Lucky for my brother, we were relatives of the victim--who by the way could not take care of the poor kid.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

I suspect the tenor of her speech will sound a little something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj60GCBap0

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 8, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer you approve of my religion that is really generous of you. I would truly be worried if you did not.
And if you would bother to read my post I was a HC/McCain supporter I have never posted since my presence here in Feb that I support Obama although the more comments I read like yours that we are a Christian Nation sure could change that.

Please take a history and constitutional law course at your local community college.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

WhatYouSaid

Oh, I see, there was a story behind your statement. Still, what I said about my brother is absolutely true. I remember my mother having to explain constantly that "yes, he is my son" to everyone who was rude enough to ask.

On the flip side I know about the way I am treated as a white person when I enter a store in teh south. I had a credit card in my hand and a note from a relative so I could rent on the relatives account while I was down there. This was not my first experience with a "chicken scratch" language. When the clerk talked to me it sounded like gibberish. She was not making any sense. I asked her twice to repeat and she did. It was no use. My sister-in-law saw what was happening and bolted to the counter. She told the clerk to talk English or she would talk to the manager. What I found out latter was that it was common down there for a black person to slur their speech when talking to a white person.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Kathy actually Obama's plan will make it cheaper for small business to obtain healthcare; he provides small business credits which currntly don't exist.
The scary part of McCain's plan would do away with employer based healthcare which is cheaper to buy h.c in a large employer pool and substitudes a $5000 credit. Try buyig healthcare for your family for $400/mo. He also does does not believe in keeping insurance company's from denying yor coverage if you have a pre existing medical condtions; see what that does to your premiums. And as someone who has dealt with very large corporatons I understand how impt empolyer based coverage is for recruiting and competing internationally for employees.
I am not an O supporter, just a disappointed McCain supporter who is no longer in his camp. As a boomer,Healthcare is my major concern and McCain's plan would be disastrous for my family and thousands of corporations.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Pretty weak answer. But thats you're M.O. isn't it. Awful convenient too.

Posted by: WhatYouSaid | September 8, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Kathy,
I agree with you, but those small businesses today are for the most part services, not manufacturing. The hardest aspect of making decisions as the next president will be to not destroy those small businesses, but rather to grow them. Obama knows that he can't shut down small businesses without there being tremendous repurcussions on the economy. Listening to he speeches, I can see where he is going. He is going after big profit businesses that are shipping jobs out of the country. Not the mom and pop businesses.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

WhatYouSaid

My point is my brother is black and the product of a rape.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

I never said I did not like you. I just don't think I want to catch your Obama fever.

The point is the foundations of our government were layed down in consideration of Christianity--and Christianity took many forms (I already listed some). This is in no way in insult to another religion. I don't know why I have to explain everything to you just because you happen to be Jewish or insulted by everything. Don't worry, I approve of your religion. Oh, if you are not religious I approve of your faith in science. We all have belief and faith of some kind.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

PROGRESSIVES
Protection Rackets Party for those Who Progressively Steal What isn't Theirs

Posted by: rtfanning | September 8, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer

My point is this!!!!

My step-son is ..........African-American

Posted by: WhatYouSaid | September 8, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

jennifer are a contemptable person.

My grandmother felt the same way when we lived in NEWARK New Jersey (we were German-Americans). She even carried a phillips head screw driver in her pocketbook when we went out. I was only about 11 years old at the time, but I knew how she felt. Newark at the time was predominately African-American and when it came to violence, it was rampant.

Today I have a step-son that I raised from the time he was a toodler. Today he is a college student ranking at the top of his class. To boot, he is attending one of the finest schools in the country to become a lawyer. God bless him.

And my grandmother was a great woman. If it wasn't for her, I would probably fall in line with a person like YOU!!!! Thank you grandma.

Posted by: WhatYouSaid | September 8, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

LaughingAtAmerica

Great, I suggest you look at the log in your eye before you pick the sliver from ours.

Let me summarize my work in Europe:

At a meal, in a cab, in the office when politics came up it was always the same exact thing. Noone ever could say something unique. Holland, Belgium, Germany (actually Germans were the most retacent) all their citizens seemed to be listening to the same one radio station (and you think Rush is a bad influence you should hear what gets into their heads over there). Historically, the Europeans listened to Russian based training but who knows where the ideas are coming from now.

Now I would guess that Europe is very upset we are in with Flynn so to speak. They would love to have the benefit we have from trade relations with China (kinda ironic considering this while we watch industry exit but that is another debate). THey move hear in droves and those living in Europe all would love the opportunity to live in our fine country. Now, that is not very PC of me. My slant is that I would love to have some of what they had (aside from having to get permission from the townleaders just to transport my hunting gun or the high tax rate they enjoy).

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Germanguy, If Obama raises costs for small businesses, jobs won't be made, they'll be lost. The people that take the risk, lay out their own money and time to operate a small business will not be willing to make the same amount of money that their employees make-that's a simple fact. They will cut back on costs that will include cutting back on employees. Small businesses employ the greatest number of people in America.

Posted by: Kathy | September 8, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer I happen to be Jewish apparently there are no Jews, AA, Hispanics, Muslims,etc where you live because it is obvious that you want your govt to advocate for a particular religion which is specifically prohbited in the Constitution. Asking you to read and understand American History and the Constitution is obviously not going to happen.

Many Americans died to protect these words Jennifer, Try and Learn what they mean, I understand that is a difficult assignment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Christianity is not the established American religion in the country that I live in no matter how much you want that to be official governmental policy; maybe in your world and Gov Palin's.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

An irony that exists (possibly a flaw) in the christian belief, is that when you look at the various (400) versions of the bible, you will see that some don't recognize the fact (or indicate in their bible) that Jesus is the embodiment of God himself on earth. I wonder why this is???

This would make for an interesting debate, don't you think?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Kathy

We all are paying too much in taxes. Noone believes that things are as they should be. We have a darn 2 party system and we are stuck. You have to ask yourself whether or not you wish to see Obama or McCain become President. It is like a no win situation. Thing is I can not stand McCain. I honestly did not like Bush--my friend calls him "Bushy." He thought he was being offensive to me and I told him "don't worry" I don't like him either. I also, long before McCain announced he was running, told everyone how I disliked McCain.

But... this new to the scene Obama is just rediculous. Just read his health care plan or listen to a town hall of his. You would not believe the things he says such as:

About himself and another Democrat "We agreed to disagree but..without being disagreeable"--WHAT???

With respect to running for president, "I believe in the basic decency of the American people"--SOUNDS GREAT DOESN'T IT?

from his acceptance speech, “I know that I haven’t spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I’ve been there long enough to know that the ways of
Washington must change.”

About his grandma, "She was a typical white person...afraid of black people"--TALK ABOUT PREJUDICE but I guess that is allowed because he is a minority member; they
have carte blanch to insult without retribution.

from "Audacity to Hope" his book --about religion "I grew up around a healthy skepticism for organized religion and as a result so do I [have a healthy skepticism toward
organized religion]"

MY favorite "I believed Saddam had chemical and biological weapons, coveted nuclear arms, scoffed at UN resolutions and butchered his own people but I do not consider
that a threat to [post 911] America"

"The real threat in to peace in the Middle East is not Islamic extremism, its' cynicism." talk about a Pollyanna.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is one crazy psycho chick. We in Europe laughing at you flabby moron Americans who find housewife who shoots wolf from helicopter, has knocked-up teenage daughter, and soldier boy son who goes to Iraq to avoid prison for vandalizing bus, ha ha! Where do you dig up this weirdo?

You Americans go orgasmic over this woman. STD takes few days.Now, go back to stuffing your flabby faces with Twinkies, and shopping to be patriotic. You're bungling up your wars bigtime, may as well screw up VP! Remember, Screwing Up is the American Way. USA! USA! USA!

Posted by: LaughingAtAmerica | September 8, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

What a wasted election year. The republicans keep focusing on issues of no interest to the voters, such as polls and 'hockey mom' that they are wasting valuable time in telling us what their plans are to straighten out this country's current problems.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!! I feel I know Palin from all that is out there already. I want the 'beef'!!!

What are you going to do to create jobs to get us back to work? What is EXACTLY your plan?

How are you going to get us away from dependence on oil? How long is it going to take? Will I live long enough to see it or will you need more time to accomplish it (like maybe another 2 or 3 terms for the republican party in office)? If you're not in favor of a national health plan, how much (the bottom line here) is it going to cost me to get affordable health care? How are you going to handle this debt that Bush's administration has put on us to bail out Fannie and Freddie? Remember, I only make $8.50 an hour and won't have much left after taxes, so be REAL in your answer. After all, I DIDN'T MAKE THIS MESS, YOUR PARTY DID!!! And this bail-out of the New York financial institute (again, a private business like Fannie and Freddie) WHY AM I RESPONCIBLE FOR THEIR BUSINESS FAILURE??? Afterall, I didn't approve of deregulating them. I certainly wasn't included in their financial decisions! And since when are taxes given to businesses that deal in 'speculation'?

Posted by: germanguy | September 8, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I am a registered Dem who is voting for the first time for the republican ticket. We picked a real doozy this time, it's comical how many people are falling at his feet when he is clearly inexperienced.

Come on...dont vote party, vote the person.
McCain/Palin

Posted by: ClintonforPalin | September 8, 2008 6:18 PM

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How about "don't vote the person, vote the platform"? How can you call yourself a Democrat but plan to vote for the continuation of deficit-busting tax cuts, more on top of those already in place, continuing to send troops to the IRaq meatgrinder, adding to the GOP dominance of the Supreme Court, etc.???

Posted by: pcpatterson | September 8, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Kathy

You sound like a very intelligent person. If you really are looking to clean up Washington, by selecting the candidate of your choise, Think hard and long on your decision. I would hate to think that any more of us will have to suffer through another administration like this last one.

Good luck in your decision.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Divide and Conquer.

Working like a charm.

Posted by: The Systematic Herding of People | September 8, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

pcpatterson I was quoting whacked out Jennfer, don't attribute those comments to me please.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 6:32 PM

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Didn't intend to. Apparently the "posted by" info didn't make it into my last cut and paste. Sorry for any confusion. Hopefully your name isn't Jennifer also since I addressed her in my response....

And as to your last question to her, of course she doesn't understand. If I had a dollar for every "conservative Christian" that I've asked the question to... They all seem to think that because Christianity is the majority religion in this country, no one else should have a problem with "majority rules" on things like "Jesus Day". But when you ask them if they were to find themselves in a foreign country where Islam, Buddhism, or even Judaism was the prevailing religion, would it then also be fair to require them to endure public proselyzations of that faith, they seem to revert to "well, no, because that religion is wrong!" And, in most cases, fail to understand the lack of consistency in their "reasoning"....

Posted by: pcpatterson | September 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Believing in God Jennifer and Prayer in no way means we are a Chistian Nation and stop this totally offensive diatribe.
The colonists left the British Empire to escape religious persecution.
If you,your party and VP truly believe you live in a Christin Nation you know absolutely nothing about the Constitution or your history and that is not only offensive but terribly scary.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Not racist but I can not ignore how racist the presidential candidate is. I can not let him get into office. We will all be worse off to have Obama not because he is half Black but because he is very ignorant.
He has already demonstrated that he has an attitude toward White people with numerous statements but I guess I am just a "typical white person" as he would say. Now that was offensive.

Don't get so bent out of shape about my religious statements, or my political statements or my "hate speech."
Just accept.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Can you believe it? We, the tax payers (who are not responcible for this problem) have to pay for a private corporation that was mismanaged? Along with the Wall Street bank (also mismanaged and private) Our tax dollars are being squandered by the Repubs. Isn't this the Bush administration? Isn't Gramm a part of this administration? Didn't he recommend deregulating the financial institutions? Didn't we all miss those meetings where decisions were going to be make that would impact us all? Man, I'm going to have to get a new alarm clock. Better yet, time to take back America from 'special interests' (certainly not mine). Obama '08(he can't do as much damage as the repubs have already done) . I'm not risking another 4-8 years on a promise from the repubs. God only knows, I am retiring soon.

Posted by: ElderMan | September 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

My husband and I pay very close to enough in taxes to support two families. I believe that's excessive but what really gets me is that I constantly hear that people like us have to pay their fair share. Now, I don't mind helping people that are truly in need but On top of being told I don't pay my fair share, I constantly hear of government waste, corruption and people that milk the system that aren't even truly in need. If McCain and Palin are serious about cleaning up Washington, I'm all for them.

Posted by: Kathy | September 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Attention needs to be given to McCain's "bounce" - through his pick of Palin and his convention - being a result of his "you can only trust us" strategy. In other words, the Republicans are trying to push the "we are religious, we are patriotic, and we are 'like you'" route. Therefore, according to the GOP approach, voters should be more comfortable with the Republican ticket to 'change' things (economy, war, Washington ethics) that even they admit their party has screwed-up.

The Republicans' attempt to appeal to the white working-person/middle-class voter by painting Republicans as being the only ones this voter group vote can trust, regardless of their actual record. "Ignore the record or simply tell untruths about it and see if that floats."

At the moment it is floating.

Posted by: Byron | September 8, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Offended.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

Why would you be offened by a Christian or a bible or a Deist Day? It is absolute manipulation on your part.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry,

All I hear is complaints about the American way of life. I hear you saying you hate HMOs so opt out and get Blue Cross PPO or Pilgrim's or or or.. Oh, thats right you are advocating No choice just a single source from the Government.

As for for this being a nation founded as a Christian Nation it doesn't take much to argue either way but the evidence is overwelming that the founders believed in God and though some Like Franklin were obviously not religious--religion prevailed:
The Continental Congress, which gave us the Declaration of Independence in 1776, convened for the first time on September 7, 1774.

The first legislative action taken was a motion to open this first session in prayer. The motion was opposed. Aha, you say — separation of church and state!

But it was opposed for reasons other than you might expect. It was not that the delegates were opposed to prayer, but rather that they weren't sure which Christian clergyman to choose for the honor, as there were, according to Founding Father John Adams, Episcopalians, Quakers, Anabaptists, Presbyterians, and Congregationalists present.

"Any gentleman of Piety"

The logjam was broken when Samuel Adams, the Father of the American Revolution, "arose," according to John Adams' account, "and said that he was no bigot, and could hear a Prayer from any gentleman of Piety and virtue, who was at the same time a friend to his Country." (Note to the ACLU: according to this Founder, opposition to public invocations is a form of bigotry.)

As a result of Sam Adams' intervention, the motion carried and an Episcopalian clergyman, Rev. Jacob Duche', was prevailed upon to open the next morning's session in prayer.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

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William R. Bauer: "Panin is a bad joke."

Suck it up there, cowboy.


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Posted by: Jack The Ripper | September 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

pcpatterson I was quoting whacked out Jennfer, don't attribute those comments to me please.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, this proves it. The American people are really dumb and haven't a clue how to vote for their own self interest. I mean really - Panin is a bad joke
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oh yeah?? why dont u just go ahead and enslave us and pass whatever laws you want then??!!?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, this proves it. The American people are really dumb and haven't a clue how to vote for their own self interest. I mean really - Palin is a bad joke.

Posted by: William R. Bauer | September 8, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

until she has to answer a question...oops she did today talking about the governemtn organizations Fannie mae and freddy Mac...oh there not governemnt owned...whaddya mean
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not government organizations??? they might as well be! since they have an explicit government backing

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl I guess that you, Jennifer and Palin believe this is a Christian Nation. We had an experience like that here in Texas when the GOP Legislature proposed having a Jesus Day. Can you kind of understand how offensive that is to some of us who are not Christian?

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Well, this proves it. The American people are really dumb and haven't a clue how to vote for their own self interest. I mean really - Panin is a bad joke.

Posted by: William R. Bauer | September 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

THE PALIN SELECTION AND THE DIMINUTION OF DEMOCRACY:
IS A SILENT COUP HAPPENING IN THE U.S.A?

• Could the Palin Phenomenon be a symptom of a seismic power grab that is transforming our government?

• Is the Palin selection part of a larger plan to seize control of the Executive Branch and make it beholden to another set of decision-makers -- unelected, entrenched, and in charge of the forces of power and control?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

yes! everything you said above is true! you heard it here first

and michelle obama called ronald reagan a "big white turkey"!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

God and Mammon are 2 masters. You can't serve both. I believe jennifer does.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

until she has to answer a question...oops she did today talking about the governemtn organizations Fannie mae and freddy Mac...oh there not governemnt owned...whaddya mean

1 question asked 1 question flubbed
3,287 left to go.

Posted by: dl | September 8, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"How come there are only two Black kids in this classroom??" How racist it is to point out such a statement.

Jennifer, take yourself to a dark room, close your eyes, and ask your god if you are behaving as christian as you believe yourself to be

Posted by: ChristianLeft | September 8, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

So I guess Obama has the solutions--Wait he doesn't believe in personal finance. He calls IRA's and 401K's and such "organized socialism." He is against Capital gains, he is for taxing the "rich" as if that was a solution. His health plan is socialism. He believes choice means "the governments choice" not the peoples choice. His health plan includes speading on a type of think tank to decide which "treatments are best." He wants to take choice away. His economics are socialism and will make government larger than it ever has been and he doesn't speak for those of use that believe in Christian values.
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Jennifer, do you mean Christian values like charity towards the poor, non-violence, and a general rejection of materialism? Or are you talking about "Christian" values like lying about your opponent, "preemptive war" to gain access to more oil, pettiness, and the worship of Mammon (all found in Palin/the GOP)?

Like many "Christians" that try to inject "values" into the political arena, you really need to go back and read your Bible, particularly your New Testament. Start with the Beatitudes (Matthew chapters 5-7, if you need a hint to get going). You give the rest of us a really bad name, as is evident from the responses you've elicited here.

Posted by: pcpatterson | September 8, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"I really don't like the idea of any medical "think tank" we would have to pay for where doctors would sit in a room and decide what treatments are most effective"

you mean like an HMO? I am sure that you prefer 47 milion Americans having no healthcare or an insurance carrier to make those decisions.

An do you have any idea what it cost annually for healthcare for a 50 year old and his family not paid for by his employer? I guess you also hate that socialized medicine called Medicare that my 93 year old mom needs.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. Henry Ford wasn't an expert in marketing, accounting, manufacturing, distribution, etc. So in order to get his company up and running (somewhat how a government does it), he pulls together experts in the subject areas to help him. I must admit that sure sounds smart to most of us. Why wouldn't we expect Obama to do the same thing? With your way of thinking jennifer, McCain wouldn't stand a chance. He admits not to being smart on economics. Brilliant deductions again. Wow, no wonder this party has failed with people like you supporting it.

Posted by: germanguy | September 8, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I am a registered Dem who is voting for the first time for the republican ticket. We picked a real doozy this time, it's comical how many people are falling at his feet when he is clearly inexperienced.

Come on...dont vote party, vote the person.
McCain/Palin

Posted by: ClintonforPalin | September 8, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"According to a Gallup/USA Today poll in March 2007, Miss Winfrey possessed a whopping 74 percent approval rating. (Incidentally, Mrs. Palin's approval rating in Alaska is a Mother Theresa-like 80 percent.) Miss Winfrey's support dipped to 61 percent by August 2007, and during the primaries her approval dropped further to 55 percent - the lowest in her career."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/say_it_aint_so_o.html

Hopefully Oprah's polls will crash below 50 percent popularity now!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

>>Leichtman wrote: "Jennifer once again you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You are right he doesn't speak for Christians,BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A CHISTIAN NATION ! Please don't waste our time with your chidish incoharent rants."

Please stop wasting your time attacking Jennifer, who is entitle to her opinions. She isn't "chidish" or "incoharent" (sic).

Besides, even Obama can't explain what religion he is:

OBAMA BLOOPERS IN WHCH HE TALKS LIKE A MUSLIM

Obama is known for always speaking very carefully & precisely (it's his gift). Except when he's talking about his religion or when he's making "Muslim bloopers".

:: OBAMA: "MY MUSLIM FAITH" ::

Stephanopolous asks Obama about his accusations that the McCain campaign are going to accuse him of being Muslim. Obama goes into a 2 minute answer that includes the blooper "my Muslim faith".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUYHFlGb2Ng&feature=iv

At minute 1:34 Stephanopolous asks Obama about why he makes accusations that the McCain campaign is going to accuse him of being Muslim, when the McCain has condemned people making those accusations.

At minute 2:49 Obama says: "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith."

George Stephanopolous steps in and corrects him to say "Christian faith" and then Obama agrees and says "Christian faith". But then what Obama was going to say doesn't make sense anymore because that would be, "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Christian faith."

Obama then has to spend the next 15 seconds regrouping to make a point ("John McCain has not suggested I was a Muslim.")

:: OBAMA THINKS THE U.S. HAS "57 STATES" ::

You can watch Obama's statement that he's visited "57 states".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

This is no joke, he really said this. This was no "slip", he pauses & thinks about it!

What American would forget that? And why would he pick the number "57" out of the air?

Everyone knows that we have 50 states. But there is a union that has 57 states in it: the nation of Islam. The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It has 57 Islamic member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkan, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America.

This is kind of an important slip coming from a candidate who is African-Arab by racial heritage, Muslim by birth who claims to now be Christian, who was raised abroad in an Islamic state (Indonesia) with a Muslim stepfather, who traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian-citizenship passport at age 20 when he was supposed to be a U.S. citizen and Americans weren't supposed to go to Pakistan, who belonged for 20 years to a Church that publishes pro-Hamas material and whose leadership has close ties to the Nation of Islam, and who has been endorsed by Hamas.

:: TOO-LONG, BABBLE-ANSWER ON THE QUESTION WHAT IS THE MEANING OF JESUS IN HIS LIFE ::

You can also watch Barack Obama's too-long, wandering, lame response to the question: what is the meaning of Jesus in his life. He starts kind of okay with a trite answer, but then gets lost and stops making sense until he ends up claiming that Jesus makes him try new things like running for President after Rev. Warren starts making noises that signal to Obama he needs to cut it off.

http://www.youtube.com/v/gHtAWPjzvyk&rel=0&color1=11645361&color2=13619151&fs=1

Afterward, Obama declares that was a tough question, whereon Rev. Warren says, "Oh no, that was a freebie, a gimme."

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey "I hate the left" idiot, there were million people in Germany adoring Obama, you poor ignorant bigot loser

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Republicans, are you proud of having in your ranks somebody like "I hate the left" guy, that is definetely KKK material!

Posted by: an observer | September 8, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer

I know from my upbringing that when people speak they speak from the heart not the mind. I found your remarks very hateful and still do, because you found it necessary now to come back to me with an excuse and a story. When I first came to this country, I did not come here because it was a 'christian' country. I came here because I felt it represented much more than that. Please do not try to excuse your way out of your remark. Enough said.

Posted by: ConcernedAmerican | September 8, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

OK Lichtenstein fellow you asked for it; now read for yourself. You probably think I did not read this; now, as you can see this is a real world full of unbelievable things.


http://www.contingencies.org/

If you look at this site you can view the health care initiatives of both candidates. I believe that a government plan sounds good as Obama proposes--I just don't trust that this will save me money and I really don't like the idea of any medical "think tank" we would have to pay for where doctors would sit in a room and decide what treatments are most effective. Doctors have conventions for this purpose; why should I fit the bill for some new agency forget it--they never go away once they start. This is part of Obama's plan--to start agencies and to have national this and national that. McCain just cites action not agencies--read for yourself. I get crazy when I read how stupid this Obama is--his plans sound like they (I mean this honestly) were solicited from a maybe third grade elementary classroom.

Obama, "Now kids, what do you think we need?"

Kids, "MAKE A AGENSSY TA FIX DE PROBWEM "

Obama, "Thank You kids, I will use your nice ideas, carry on--Hey, wait a second where are the white kids? How come there are only two Black kids in this classroom??"

As for a health care insurance plan--you know that this is ripe for abuses. Once a non-changing plan is in place we would require that any changes that occur would need an act of congress--this is always the difference. If I need a change or there is some inherent problem in need of a solution I can't get congress to do anything--I am an individual. As a citizen I have the power in my consumer dollars; as citizen my power to make congress act is considerably smaller.

That is the crux of the difference--Obama wants a government to have the decision and I believe McCain wants us to vote with our dollars--which is more empowering when you are deciding to make a medical decision for you or your loved ones--who do you trust? A tax incentive for tax payers who buy insurance is the better solution.

Both plans seem to have a paragraph about going to a paperless system so they are equal here--maybe this is the only part of their "cost savings" plan I could understand. As for Obama, he can suggest the generic--I just think he has no right to force the decision. I would rather have McCain looking busy looking into costs than have Obama busy deciding what treatments are available.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Julie,

Those making over $500,000 are hardly the crowd voting for a theocracy. I would suggest you get your demographics checked. Those voting for the theocracy are the bitter ones clinging to their guns and religion to loosely quote one of the major candidates.

Posted by: sltiowa | September 8, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"On the other hand, America was founded as a Christian nation??????????????????????"

Jennifer I would suggest that you read the Federalist Papers and try and learn SOMETHING about your country. This country was founded by folks who fled religious persecution by folks like you.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

>>jennifer wrote: ""His economics are socialism and will make government larger than it ever has been"

You can believe it!

Look at his convention:

Obama threw away his whole convention bashing Bush, expecting to easily label McCain "the same". When McCain picked Palin, showing he was more of a change agent than Obama, he stripped Obama from having the Fall strategy Obama squandered his whole convention building up to. Now, he's ended up wasting his convention on bashing Bush pointlessly.

Furthermore, he squandered tens of millions of dollars of donor money on wild overspending for that $6 million stage, fireworks, orchestral music, lavish media backstaging, etc. The whole thing was like a high-cost Hollywood production. His wild spending of donors' money on his convention was obscene & unnecessary.

Obscene spending on lavish excesses at the convention, misspent convention focus bashing Bush due to mistaken overconfidence that McCain would pick an old white man as VP and now Obama's stuck dragging around an old, fuzzy Biden like dead weight on his ticket.

Sure he'd run the country great.

His 4 years as executive chairman of the Annenberg project, which was a more-than-$100 million flop that he's covered up on his resume, was a total failure. In part, he persuaded the participants to up the scope & spending on the project from the original $46 million. So he could fail with more than twice as much money!

jennifer, you are right on target.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/newly-released-documents-highlight-obamas-relationship-with-ayers/

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse


The McCain/Palin ticket is the new "just-folks" face on the same old Republican party, a party whose top priority is taking care of the rich and powerful.

As the GOP rewrites reality (like inventing the story that Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere), we'll soon learn how gullible the majority of voters really are ... and how cooperative the media will be in undermining our democracy.

Posted by: bam | September 8, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I forgot someone got in through pre-screening and asked obamma when he thought life started and his response was "above my pay-grade"

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This is absolutely the correct answer to that question. It *is* above his pay grade. It is a question for you, his boss. You should answer it for yourself and put your answer to work for yourself in the way you live your life.

Are you angry because a prospective presidential nominee is (rightly) explaining that your personal values are yours to determine?

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

One thing which must be kept in mind, and which CC unfortunately didn't mention, was that these polls were all taken in the immediate aftermath of the RNC. This obviously favors McSame. For Obama to be virtually even with McSame right after the RNC is not that bad a position for him to be in. Historically, the bounce a candidate receives from his convention tends to recede after a few days. The more telling polls will come next week.

Posted by: Howard | September 8, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer once again you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You are right he doesn't speak for Christians,BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A CHISTIAN NATION !

"His health plan is socialism. He believes choice means "the governments choice" not the peoples choice"

Have you bothered to even read his plan before spewing such garbage?

"Doesn't believe in personal finance and has all 401ks and IR socialism you claim?

Huh where are you coming up with this garbage?

And do you have any idea who Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are since you claim the rich oppose Obama.

And heck I am not even voting for him and have to correct your drivel.

If he has said all of these socialist where are all of these magical quotes?

Please don't waste our time with your chidish incoharent rants.


Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

However, we have setup a slush fund of sorts, that we haven't really made public, that should support up to the elections. However, you can continue to donate if you want.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah the front runners get real hard questions from the leftist media... like gee oh gosh.. mr obamma what do you like for dinner, or gee what is your favorite color... yeah the media has been real hard on the poor black candidate who of course all us racists wont vote for... I never heard one question about illegal immigrants, or abortion, or how would he deal with an attack against our nation..oops I am wrong .. I forgot someone got in through pre-screening and asked obamma when he thought life started and his response was "above my pay-grade" he of course didnt have a " vote present" button to push so he wasnt pushed any further on it..... yeah the media has been tough on this man for sure......

Posted by: you will lose | September 8, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I know many people who are in upper middle class category (over $500K a year which is ot in the rich Republcian category), and they are talking about moving out of the country. So if your Palin wins, lots of money leaves and Republicans will be richer at the expense of the poor...people go out and register other people for Obama or we are finished....this will be a theocracy before you know it, just like Iran...

Posted by: julie | September 8, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to impose my views on you. I believe people have the right to believe in what they will--without my permission. You still can check with me if you wish.

I remember at school a guy climbed onto the roof of the chapel and ran plastic wrap around the cross. I watched as they did this around and around. I felt said; not angry. There was no tolerance for those who would be offended. You see it works both ways. I still see religious art all over the campus when I visit there. Most of it is the acceptable religions--like Indian spiritual stuff.

I think mutual tolerance is important and I have read antireligious websites where one person was treated poorly when she would visit her Christian relatives. They looked at her as the "devil" because her spouse, their son, had stopped going to church. I wrote her and told her to tell her "Christian" relatives to start acting Christian. I believe everyone has full rights to their belief.


On the other hand, America was founded as a Christian nation. It is difficult for me to understand why anyone would be so surprised that we cling to Christianity; it is our heritage as well as our belief. And Yes, there is historical evidence that our nation was founded as a Christian nation. Saying this is not effronterous; it is just fact.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I believe that this 'jennifer' whoever, is one of those surrogates of the McCain campaign that goes on the blogs to create indecision and confusion to serious bloggers. She should be banned.

Posted by: germanguy | September 8, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

WATCH THEM AGAIN!

Sarah Palin National Convention Speech 09/03/2008:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26535823#26535823

John McCain Republican Convention Speech 09/05/2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F0d6MChQnY

To support Palin's candidacy, you MUST now donate to the RNC, as the McCain campaign has accepted federal funds and can't spend donations for campaigning as of 09/01.

https://secure.gop.com/donate/

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"His economics are socialism and will make government larger than it ever has been"

Posted By Jennifer

Careful Jennifer- Growing the federal government is what your beloved W has done better than any other president in history- by ten times. But don't take my word for it: http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1071.

So be watch out, you might just realize you've been eating up the rhetoric and lies they've been feeding you without really thinking about them.

Nah, I'm sure you're way too smart for that.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

ConcernedAmerican

Just give her no mind, she has been spewing out hateful statements for sometime on this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Now that McCain/Palin are the front runners, we'll they get the type of scrutinty that front runners normally get? Or does Palin get to waive the sexism card to keep the media at bay?

Posted by: Dawn | September 8, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Christian and I resent people like "jennifer" who tries to cram it down my throat that he beliefs are much more superiour than mine....shame on you woman. Stop being so hateful.

Posted by: ConcernedAmerican | September 8, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

can you picture obamma sitting at a negotian table with world leaders.. hell they would probably mistake him for a busboy and ask for more coffee and cookies. Not because of his color but his lack of knowlege. He is a babe in the woods and you people wont fess up.. I dont want a wannabee socialite and his bimbo leading this country, or anything for that matter.

Posted by: I hate the left | September 8, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

excuse me US do you not have any idea who POTUS is and who has appointed this disastrous economic team like the Secy of the Treasury and the Fed Reserve Chairman? I will let you guess.
Do you have any idea what the DOW was and where the dollar was before Jan 2001 and what the foreclosure rate was before 2001?
And you are proud of W and this economy? You must be one of those 28%ers.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

What Christian values Jennifer? That the Earth is 6,000 years old?
Even Jesus said give Cesar what's Cesar's and God's what is God's.
Enough of imposing religious nuts on the USA!
ENOUGH!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a s--t which side Limbaugh is on? He's not running for president.

Posted by: righton | September 8, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

>>Marcus wrote: "I've never understood why the Right is so viollently opposed to everything American. They hate free speech. They hate any religion but their twisted version of Christiality. They hate any one not white. Thay absolutely hate the poor. ..."

All you prove is that you have been the bigot, all along. This is your vision of the establishment? Of Republicans?

Sad. The racist, small-minded junk that people like Rev. Wright preach and that hip hop disseminates really does shape people's prejudices about others in their societies.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The Dems are in real trouble and they know it.

Once again, the Dems have OVERPLAYED their hand and nominated one of the most LIBERAL tickets possible.

What the Clintons understood is that this is a center-right country. Liberals lose national elections.

And now it's too late for Obama to start pretending to be a moderate.

Obama is the new Dukakis/Kerry hybrid.

And in terms of Palin... man, what a brilliant choice. Works on so many levels.

And she doesn't have to beat Biden in debate. She merely needs to hold her own. And Biden won't be able to unload on her without looking like a bully. LOL

This is the best election year ever.

Posted by: Jim Andrews | September 8, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused by all the wasted talk about the christian movement and it's impact on the elections. Is anyone aware of the fact that there are 400 different interpretations of the bible in print today? So which one is being used to influence the outcome of this election?

Geez. Do you see where this is going? It is nothing more than an election folks. Pick a candidate review his agenda regarding issues of concern to you and then vote. No need to 'follow the leader' with all this mud slinging. It's childish and unless you are all children, post comments regarding issues of concern to you and we can all share our 'intelligent' views.

Posted by: germanguy | September 8, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I believe Limbaugh is on right now:

I however don't have the radio on--but if I did I would be joining over 22 million people while you would be joining less than 2 million people with your "Air America." Bamo

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

So I guess Obama has the solutions--Wait he doesn't believe in personal finance. He calls IRA's and 401K's and such "organized socialism." He is against Capital gains, he is for taxing the "rich" as if that was a solution. His health plan is socialism. He believes choice means "the governments choice" not the peoples choice. His health plan includes speading on a type of think tank to decide which "treatments are best." He wants to take choice away. His economics are socialism and will make government larger than it ever has been and he doesn't speak for those of use that believe in Christian values.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer not only do you not know what you are talking about but you lie:"It died before it started" your precise words.
But who cares and what in the world does that have to do with anything other then your regurgitating what you hear on Limbaugh. How enlightened.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

It's a long way from the gate to the wire and Palin is yet to have answer questions, not so much about her experience as her wildly unpopular policy views.
Little wonder they've Chenyfied her though I don't think they'll be able to keep her in an "undisclosed location" until November. Eventually, she'll appear in front of the cameras mouthing that insane crap she believes and the Palin bounce will become the Palin crater. Her moose skinning abilities notwithstanding.
The smart money is still on Obama. The republicans are in scorched earth mode in an attempt to gin up their rubes enough to carry this one. What works against them is most folks remember the last 8 years of extremist policies and their consequences, and most folks remember who they have to thank for it. I think at some point the realization will hit that if we elect another republican, regardless of what he says now, we're just going to get more of the same.

Posted by: Dijetlo | September 8, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

You don't need to be unusually experienced in politics to be a good president. You need to be smart, know your limitations, and surround yourself with capable people in your cabinet. The "four-more-years-of- W" crowd knows that that idea is a gimmick designed to encourage fear and is, at it's core, anti-intellectual. Cabinet members will take on the distinctive style of the president who appoints them. On the other hand, the "Obama-the-inexperienced-messiah" crowd are frightened of someone truly remarkable, brilliant even, taking the reigns for awhile. Base your opinions and your vote on the ideas that matter, not the flaws of the individuals.

Posted by: DrDaddio | September 8, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Unemployment rate before democrat control of congress in 2006 was 4.4%

Umemployment rate today, after 2 years of Harry and Nancy? 6.1%

We can't take a risk with any more democrats."
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TO: all the tools out there who like to hide behind the insult "Do nothing Congress"

Until the elections of 2006 (that is until the Dems won a majority in Congress) Bush never used his veto power, not once. Then, suddenly, he started using it. He used it a record number of times in fact. The Dems don't have enough votes to override a veto alone, and the Repubs in Congress (you know, the same Republican party that loves to spout off about "reaching across the aisle") are too chickensh*t to vote against the party- Including that "maverick" flip-flopper, sell-out McCain. So what we really have is a President who demands legislation be written in his words, or he'll veto it. If it isn't, if Congress passes a bill with the needs of the citizens of the U.S. and not the needs our self-important, country-last President, well it goes nowhere. Why? because the Republicans only care about party lines, regardless of whether they are aligned with the needs of our country.

This "Do nothing" Dem "controlled" Congress- and our country- are being held hostage by the whole Republican Party.

Country-First my @ss.

Now, argue that.

Posted by: us liberal | September 8, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

3 new polls just came out. All show McCain up by 2 pts over Obama:

SurveyUSA, McCain 49, Obama 47, McCain +2
ABC News/Wash Post McCain 49, Obama 47, McCain +2
CBS News McCain 46, Obama 44, McCain +2

up earlier:

USA Today/Gallup McCain 54, Obama 44, McCain +10
CNN McCain 48, Obama 48, Tie
Rasmussen Tracking McCain 48, Obama 47, McCain +1
Hotline/FD Tracking McCain 44, Obama 44, Tie
Gallup Tracking McCain 49, Obama 44, McCain +5

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I like Sara. She reminds me of a lot of people I know and like...I don't want them to be Vice President either. This is too big, too important. Look at where they stand compared to the policies that were tried and failed the last 8 years. These aren't cartoon characters. Yes we all decided we'd rather drink a beer with George Bush. But come on. Can we actually look at the issues this time?

Posted by: Midwest Voter | September 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I've never understood why the Right is so viollently opposed to everything American. They hate free speech. They hate any religion but their twisted version of Christiality. They hate any one not white. Thay absolutely hate the poor. They say they hate government spending but never say a word about their party spending more than all the previous presidents administrations combined, and will attack you if you bring it up. Hell, they attack anyone who dares to call them on anything. They seem to hate everything American. Yet they call themselves patriots.
Try standing up for freedom of speech Reps. Try standing up for freedom of religion, Reps. Stand up for the common man instead of just the wealthy, Reps.
Try yelling down the liars, the pedophiles and closet queens in your party. Try digging into your own scandals. It's all we've heard about for the last eight years.

Look at yourselves instead of constantly pointing at us. Turn that magnifying glass on your own corrupt and broken party.

Try BEING Americans instead of just talking!!

Posted by: Marcus | September 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"The reason so many people are in trouble financially is due to their lack of control in their own finances. Remember, "finance" starts in the home."

Do you now have a masters degree in economcs? How about healthcare rising 15% annually; how about wages being flat for 8 years; home equity collapsing and their stock portfolios and 401ks down 30% since 2001. Do you or Gov Palin know anything about that or how sovereign wealth funds work or do you get your economic info from kindergarten?

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

apology accepted.

Posted by: germanguy | September 8, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely Amazing! The bounce has led us all to believe that the Republican candidate is not up to his ears in Republican rhetoric which is always the same and by now should have no credibility what so ever. Remember they are currently doing what they have been doing for nearly eight years. But then again they were put into office not once but twice, anybody out there feeling a little bit gullible. McCain will continue the occupation of Iraq where the current administration has built the largest embassy in the world. They will continue to make war wherever the Pentagon advises and take steps to guarantee the continued flow of oil to this country with military dominance. They will not support alternative sources of energy, they will not address diminishing oil supplies. They will however drill in ALASKA (the first thing McCain will do is send Palin back to Alaska to bring in the oil). It is all about short term high profits; after all they will only have about eight years to finish what Bush and company have started. Once that is done we will be at ARMS (look at the administration's current stance with Russia) against every major world power and continuing to maneuver for dominance and economic advantage on a daily basis world wide. At the same time emerging nations will be ready to cut us out of any deal they can because they will be beyond making tennis shoes for us. Sure vote for these guys they have nice smiles, miles and miles of nice smiles.

Posted by: Roy Patterson | September 8, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry germanguy, I misunderstood what you said.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The Dems are in real trouble and they know it.

Once again, the Dems have OVERPLAYED their hand and nominated one of the most LIBERAL tickets possible.

What the Clintons understood is that this is a center-right country. Liberals lose national elections.

And now it's too late for Obama to start pretending to be a moderate.

Obama is the new Dukakis/Kerry hybrid.

And in terms of Palin... man, what a brilliant choice. Works on so many levels.

And she doesn't have to beat Biden in debate. She merely needs to hold her own. And Biden won't be able to unload on her without looking like a bully. LOL

This is the best election year ever.


Posted by: Jim Andrews | September 8, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer "You are not relevant"

Thank you for making my point regarding the fact that we are already a 'divided nation'. You 'elitist' attitude is revealing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

It is no where . I don't make this up their listenership is next to nothing. I guess you still have public radio but that is more subliminal.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

>> kingofzouk wrote: "Let's assume that obama loses in the Fall. does anyone seriously think he will reach across the aisle and try to make progress by compromising on important issues from his Senate seat? nope, he will start running for anojther election."

If Obama loses this Fall, that empty suit is off the national stage forever, Thank God. You only realistically get one chance to top your party's ticket. I can't think of any case where someone has lost the general election & got to run again & again.

One of the nice things about Obama's campaign is that people searched all over for black analysts & pundits & spokespeople & put them in front of the camera and out on the trail. Like that young professor from Temple University who argues on behalf of democrats on FoxNews. These young black political professional experts got a lot of exposure this year, became known, made names, etc. There's a whole new generation of them now who are primed to move up.

Even if Obama loses, it won't be long now until we have a whole crop of sharp black governors, senators, etc, from this generation. Obama's got a lot of defects & issues. But the exposure these people got, who are black expert political professionals is where the real value of his campaign this year will pay off. If Obama fails this year, which he probably will, it will be one of those who will make it to the top.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The day's polls have McCain gaining nationally but the race remains a toss-up in the most important battlegrounds, Virginia, Michigan, Colorado. Full roundup available here: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/09/08/mccain-bounce-continues/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/

Obama is cutting taxes, just not on the filthy rich. McCain and Palin are LYING TO YOU and you all are stupid enough to believe it without the simplest research. America, if you choose McCain/Palin after that convention of lies, you deserve them.

Folks: JUST GOOGLE IT. "Obama McCain Taxes"

It is EASY. Use your brain. I don't want a pit bull lying to me about Obama's tax plan. Lying has been the source of the problem for the last 8 years.

Enough!

Posted by: MidwestCynical | September 8, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

germanguy

Oh, my gosh, what is the government going to do? Lets start at home German guy. Lets start by calling yourself an American not a German; if you are a German you are totally lost.

Kennedy said it best--and it is best to listen up--"ask not what your country can do for you."

The reason so many people are in trouble financially is due to their lack of control in their own finances. Remember, "finance" starts in the home.

As for the mortgage problem this started with greedy banks and greedy stupid people taking out interest only mortgages; loans for down payments; and and well..it sounds like the people responsible are the ones who sign the dotted line. Who else can be blamed? Did they hold a gun to someone’s head? Guess not.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer apparently in grade school they taught you that if you don't have anything to contribute, just make things up. If you are interested in listening to Air America and Tom Hartman you might check with
http://airamerica.com/listen

Its on riht now, of course unless you and your VP are able to censor it.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The cumulative polls show Obama still with a substantial lead in the Electoral College - about 298 for Obama to about 240 for McCain. It won't get much better than this for McCain, and Obama will win.

Posted by: Doug Osborne | September 8, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/

Obama is cutting taxes, just not on the filthy rich. McCain and Palin are LYING TO YOU and you all are stupid enough to believe it without the simplest research. America, if you choose McCain/Palin after that convention of lies, you deserve them.

Folks: JUST GOOGLE IT. "Obama McCain Taxes"

It is EASY. Use your brain. I don't want a pit bull lying to me about Obama's tax plan. Lying has been the source of the problem for the last 8 years.

Enough!

Posted by: underdog | September 8, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I am NOT interested on what the Mooseburger has to say Jennifer...why would I care to hear from somebody that define herself a pitt bull? A lot of barking I guess

Posted by: color blind | September 8, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Young people don't vote. They get drunk just before the election and miss election day entirely. However, on the other hand, saddles with 100K tuition debt and the possibility of being drafted to fight in Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran, they just might come out to vote this time. But I doubt it.

Posted by: Shawn | September 8, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

While I am saddened I am in no way surprised and fully understand that it is just this type of thing that causes a 45 year old Black person to admit they have never been proud to be American. America has never lived up to it's stated ideals and made us proud.

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I heard this for what it was, too. There are a lot of people who have every right to be disenchanted with America. If you ask me, it is unpatriotic to wrap yourself in the flag and insist that America is flawless and deserving of infinite respect. We should hold this country to a much, much higher standard, and we should be angry and disappointed when it fails to meet that standard. When we see that it is broken, we shouldn't make excuses for ourselves and try to stamp out the criticism -- we should make it better. That is real patriotism. Giving your nation a free pass when it fails and sticking a flag pin on your lapel to cover it up is merely nationalism.

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

A national IQ test.
McCain is a sad, deteriorating figure. Not much left of straight talk or details on issues. He's about where Reagan was in his second term. He allowed Karl Rove to keep him from choosing the VP he wanted. His pick of Palin may look good to some, but it's a symptom of dotage. Even if she were the best possible candidate, we can afford the McCain remnant as President.

Posted by: henster | September 8, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

germanguy

Bitter talk. Bitter promise. You guys had a chance to get what you wanted with "Air America." It died before it started. Hint, noone wants to listen to a liberal. On the other hand; people are interested in every word that comes out of Palin's mouth. Watch; don't watch. You are not relevant.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

One thing that the pollesters don't get is the young people that only have cellular phones and by so doing only get polls from older people. The majority of young people are voting for the Democrat ticket.

Posted by: color blind | September 8, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain's campaign manager was correct, this election is not about issues. Governments like the current Bush administration will only topple and change if Americans are hurting. And despite a looming recession, A McCain win would show that Americans on a state by state basis are probably not as hurting as the democrats or the media have lead us to believe. If the opposite happens the, I guess the vast majority of americans are hurting.

Posted by: Shawn | September 8, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Hello Chris and the Washington Post

Great article you did your best in covering both sides clearly post convention. Every step both canidates take will be well documented thanks to lightning fast information or disinformation. People need take a step back and observe make your decisions wisely ask questions. This election is going to be close. This election will be a historic event no matter if it is a Republican or Democrat.

I challenge the Washington post to ask the canadates even tougher questions. Any question from your readers that the canadites can answer without a standard line.

For Example

What steps will you take to reduce unemployment?

What steps will you take on improvement of foreign relations.

Thank you


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Posted by: useless | September 8, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

It is a scary thing when the person running for President may get the job, but not on his skill.

Posted by: paul | September 8, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

These polls are skewed for the Rep ticket, and that's why: a lot of young voters,which are in great numbers for Obama, do not have a land line phone, all they have is a cellular phone. The pollsters do not call cellular phones,hence they are missing a huge slice of the pie which will vote for ma man OBAMA.
Dig it?

Posted by: color blind | September 8, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

What a wasted election year. The republicans keep focusing on issues of no interest to the voters, such as polls and 'hockey mom' that they are wasting valuable time in telling us what their plans are to straighten out this country's current problems.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!! I feel I know Palin from all that is out there already. I want the 'beef'!!!

What are you going to do to create jobs to get us back to work? What is EXACTLY your plan?

How are you going to get us away from dependence on oil? How long is it going to take? Will I live long enough to see it or will you need more time to accomplish it (like maybe another 2 or 3 terms for the republican party in office)? If you're not in favor of a national health plan, how much (the bottom line here) is it going to cost me to get affordable health care? How are you going to handle this debt that Bush's administration has put on us to bail out Fannie and Freddie? Remember, I only make $8.50 an hour and won't have much left after taxes, so be REAL in your answer. After all, I DIDN'T MAKE THIS MESS, YOUR PARTY DID!!! And this bail-out of the New York financial institute (again, a private business like Fannie and Freddie) WHY AM I RESPONCIBLE FOR THEIR BUSINESS FAILURE??? Afterall, I didn't approve of deregulating them. I certainly wasn't included in their financial decisions! And since when are taxes given to businesses that deal in 'speculation'?

I don't give a hoot who the candidates are, what I do care about, is who is going to SAVE AMERICA. Afterall, for politicians and government bureaucrats, it is not about economic efficiency or consumer welfare, it is about control. Politicians have an interest in perpetuating an “us-versus-them” attitude because it allows them to advance agendas and score political points. I'm tired of that agenda, it's time to ACT!

Here's the facts as I see them, forget who is responcible:

There was the 9/11 incident, this created more agencies, spending more money, more debt.

The Afganistan war, spending more money on experimental weapons and testing them in that war, resulting in 'Mission not accomplished' (capture of Osama), creating more debt.

The Iraqi war, 'Mission never accomplished', more spending, loss of lives, greater debt (had to go to the chinese to borrow).

Failure of the housing market, due to deregulation, more money, more debt.

States (Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois, Texas, Oregon, and others) started selling/leasing their infrastructures to foreign countries, because there is no federal money to help them. This is a scary one, because it is a sign that we are selling ourselves off to foreign interests. How much more borrowing from China will it take?

Do you all see a picture here, or is it just me?

GIVE AMERICANS THE TRUTH! IF WE ARE IN BAD SHAPE WE WANT TO KNOW, SO WE CAN PULL TOGETHER AND STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. A few individuals in government do not have the abilities or the courage to make a difference. WE AMERICANS DO!

Posted by: germanguy | September 8, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

You are absolutely right Jennifer I believe in the Constitution we studied in Law Scool, not the one force fed to you by Phyliss Schaffley. Apparently you are unaware that prior to Constitional Amendments, AA were not recognized as whole human beings no allowed to vote nor women. In your radical world that would continue today. Boom, how articulate of you, what are you ten year old.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous

And who is the "do nothing congress?" Who is the roadblock there? Oil prices have hurt the economy--it has been a direct cause. We want to drill--the promise of doing so alone is enought to lower the price of oil. What has the "do nothing" congress done? Oh, that is right, they turned off the power and took a vacation.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

So Palin will go on a morning talk show. If I could believe for a moment that there weren't preconditions to the questions asked, I would have probably found it interesting to watch. I'll leave the watching to the gullible repubs.

Posted by: germanguy | September 8, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"DAYTON, Ohio - A mother who burned her baby daughter to death in a microwave oven was sentenced Monday to life in prison without the chance for parole."

why, what did she do wrong??? this is above my pay grade.

Posted by: snObama | September 8, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

God, how f%&*ing stupid are Republicans? All the people on this message board who can barely spell (one would assume their incomes are not in the top 1%), gagging on their panties to vote for more George W. Bush.

Posted by: bennyboo | September 8, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama the Christ will win 100%

Posted by: Joe Biden | September 8, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

no lemming

This has mothing to do with 'change', it is all about getting a democrat in office, after the failure of the last 8 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

CC - your blog has turned into a collection of misfits and idiots.

Used to be back in the good old days only Sphinctator, LOUD and DUMB and drindl were the only beyond hope loons. now you have all loons and no thinking posters left.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 8, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't Leichtman believe you cherish the same constitution as we do. You believe it is a "living document" like the bible. Sorry, but that is no the constitution people are fighting to protect--that is the one that needs burning and rewriting. NOW that is being sarcastic--did you see how I twisted that last part! BOOM

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"Don't vote for Obama unless you want to see race relations get much worse. THe stupid "white folk" will rise up. We will start wearing t shirts that say "white and proud of it." All this because when you constantly try to keep a people down because of their lack of color you create a divided America".

I know of many black folks who already want to only better themselves becauase of Obama. And beleive you me, that is a good thing!!

So now we know it IS a race thing with Reps. Obama is for everyone, not xtains, not blacks, but all of us.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't have data Correlating to current global temperature flux, but I do know that the "HUMAN CAUSED" global warming, (which is what the socialist, communist, aka liberal, environmental quacks want you to believe) is a farce.

The idea that global warming is caused by HUMAN activity (such as pollution) is a scientific hypothesis that is capable of being disproven with the current data collected. For those of you not familiar with science, a hypothesis is just an idea that is then tested and experimented with and after numerous trials experiments and data the hypothesis is proven right (ie nothing in the data casts doubt or proves it wrong). Then it goes to the level of scientific theory. Unfortunately the Global warming community that wants to blame the global climate change on human activity has so many holes in it they can't keep it straight from quarter to quarter. The greatest lie is they preach global warming is caused by humans as if it is a scientific law (like gravity) when it is a failed hypothesis and BILLIONS of dollars are spent on biased research into human caused global warming.

Palin has a lot to answer for and I'm willing to wait and see. As for you hateful blind foaming at the mouth socialists, give it a rest already. We know you've already made up your mind she's the devil incarnate you can't do anything unless uncle sam spoon feeds you your job, health care, house, food, retirement and transportation. The rest of us who have a clue and some common sense will watch and wait for the truth which will come out after all the trash settles and make an intelligent and informed decision. Saddly each year it seems there are fewer of us out here.

Posted by: Norm | September 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Consider voting what is best for the country and not just what is best for yourself. Do the research...they may not be the same thing.

Posted by: Brian | September 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I have sympathy for the Obama supporters. They may have thought it was a "cake walk" and now they wake in the night and wonder if it will happen again. Perhaps they need us to tell them the definition of 'victory' again.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | September 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

To all you Obama supporters you are wasting your time!!! OBAMA is paper thin and your attempts to keep singing the dream is pointless. Obama chose more of the SAME in Biden and McBrilliant chose change, REAL change, a historic Change. Sending Hillary out as a counter Palin will show that she is rolling in envy .. poor Hillary maybe she will cry.. and that will get back the Hillary Vote. NOT A GOOD MOVE.
The republicans don't just chant change, they bring IT!

Posted by: jim | September 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Living proof that if indeed "ignorance is bliss", we've got a lot of happy Americans. Gramps/Barracuda '08

Posted by: Gimme A Gun | September 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It's shocking to see the increased idiocy of the people and the press on this bounce issue. What matters in the end is not some national poll, but the electoral count. Obama's ahead 243-189 in the conservative estimates and leading in the states that can put him over the edge.

As a Democrat it sucks to see this bounce. It makes me think how people can rally around someone so fast who they hardly know. It will be ashame when they come to find out that she's not all she has been made out to be.

However, the McCain camp will be doing everything to ensure that her truths do not get out before the election.

Posted by: BigB | September 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey, did you see the huge photograph behind McCain at the convention? The Republicans wanted to have a picture of Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Yet, they used a completely unrelated picture of Walter Reed Middle School in California. McCain just sat there looking like a big dufus in front of the world. Seems the Republicans can't run their convention any better than they've been running the country these past 8 years. Ha, ha, ha! No way, no how, no McCain-Palin.

Posted by: Go Obama! | September 8, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"It gives me great hope for this country that the clear majority of Americans are able to see Sarah for whom she really is -- in spite of a relentless barrage of smears, innuendo, and perfidy."

yes, clearly we all know who she is based upon the well staged and well rehearsed speach she gave. lets not require her to answer any real questions so we dont distort our image of the self proclaimed hockey mom/reformer. lets just go with what she says. good enough for me.

signed,
mindless voter

Posted by: Hope? | September 8, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer, wake up, America is already divided. Read the posts her.

Posted by: gemanguy | September 8, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The scariest thing about the comments here and elsewhere is the fact that these folks will be voting. Pundits and loud-mouths on both sides don't seem to have any clue about the records of the candidates. "Change" is just a word. It seems to me, none of the lemmings here can actually articulate how that would translate into anything meaningful in their daily lives. Decide what is meaningful to you, take a long look at the various candidates' records and pull the trigger on the one who will actually enrich your quality of life. I would bet my last dollar that most of the boisterous lemmings here have not studied anything beyond the candidate commercials.

Posted by: no lemming | September 8, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

expressconcern: you are obviously a smart person who wants the best for EVERYONE just not a select few. You will make a great Democrate. You choose correctly and for the right reasons

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Just being sarcastic.

You need to stop the divide by saying we elect a President by his color. There is no "glass ceiling."

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Apparently R's like you CarlR think that you are unique because you work. Exactly what do you think the rest of us do to pay our bills. Part of living in a Democratic society means that we cherish our Constitution something that neither you nor Gov Palin apparently knows or cares much about. If you don't understand that you are welcome to leave. Its too bad that aspergirl didn't get her favorite candidate Ann Coulter on the ticket.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The lib's fear is palpable. Threatening to "move away", spewing disrespectful doubletalk (typical..."respect the Hell out of McBush", come on, now), and dispensing their hatred for conservatives (or "those that don't hold the same view as the over-educated elitists".) Well, after November you all can go share a flat in London or elsewhere and be happy. You have the right to be wrong - I don't hate you. I wish you the best.

-a non-religious, fiscal conservative, social progressive (the average Republican, by the way) who is voting for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Brian | September 8, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

chris c

I am assamed of people who call themselves Americans and constantly use the race card. We all know Obama's Resume (see www.obamaresume.org) and it is very obvious he is only conserned about one segment of the people. He has shown himself to be ignorant. He has insulted white people and has hung out with white haters. I guess I am just an ignorant white person--"a typical white person" as Obama would say.

What a double standard we have and these Obama supporters embarras America with their Hate speech. THey cause Race issues and then use them to get their party members elected.

Don't vote for Obama unless you want to see race relations get much worse. THe stupid "white folk" will rise up. We will start wearing t shirts that say "white and proud of it." All this because when you constantly try to keep a people down because of their lack of color you create a divided America.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people ate up that crap. Good God.

Posted by: Ahaha oh wow | September 8, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in my life I am interested in the presidential election. I am fairly young so I don’t have many elections that I participated in. I am happy we have a black man and a women being nominated. At the same time this election saddens. It saddens me because you can clearly see this election has racism and sexism written all over it.
I cannot even tell you the last time I’ve seen middle class and lower middle class citizens experience the same hardships. We then have these rich politicians visit those communities only when it’s time to be re-elected. We now have a man, who happens to be a black man (biracial however you want to call it) who is addressing these issues. Not only does he address these issues he backs it up because he spent a fair amount of time of his life fighting for those who did not have a voice due to lack of economic gain. As a few bloggers are stating he does not have much government experience. But I have to question those bloggers by asking what about those veterans who are in office that have so much experience but yet are screwing the citizens of this country over. How can someone with so much experience lack being in touch with the people? And when I say the people I mean all those in the states not just those that help fund a campaign.
Now I believe the majority of the bloggers and some political experts are saying Obama lacks experience to cover up their racist views. Why is it when you are in school government officials ask for you to volunteer in community service because it will give you a sense of helping those that are not so privileged, but soon as a man of color want to run for president his community service is mocked? Then to add insult to injury you question his patriotism to the country because of his last name. The truth is those with the weak excuses fear a black man representing the US. And for those with the weak excuses please don’t say it is not racism because since day one hints of racist statements crept up.
Now the sexism part comes into play with the Palin nomination. Why are some citizens so naïve to see the game the McCain camp is playing? Come on now, do you really think he wanted a woman by his side to be possible second in command. The only reason why he chose a woman was to pick up those undecided registered voters who prefer seeing a female in office. In my opinion, that is a slap in the face to women because they are only needed when a man is losing a battle. I know there are a lot of women that analyzed this scheme and, as I see from the blogs, some are not falling for it while others are because they want to see history made by seeing a woman in office.
To be honest, I want the most balanced person to win this election. When I say balanced I suggest they see the bigger picture for all US citizens. Being balanced means I do not have to agree with everything this person says, but respect that this person is trying to make life better for us all regardless of race, gender, or religion. For me, as I follow the interviews/debates/blogs, McCain-Palin does not do it for me. They don’t express themselves as balanced and willing to view us all as equals.

Posted by: expressconcern | September 8, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I lived in Ohio, FL and now N.C. And belive me, the life-timers (rednecks) in N.C really are NOT bright at all! I am talking 5th grade education, and they are ALL for McCain! And I am not even in the deep south! And I was hoping the Rep. steriotype wasn't true.

Of course we are Democratic now as the black folk finally came out to vote!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

>>"Can you just feel the fear from the Democrats? They thought they had this locked up, but stumbled, as usual."

It's sad how they are both so arrogant & yet so stupid. Talk about "young & dumb" to the extreme. They've been acting like bullies & bashers all year, starting with the Clintons. Got totally out of touch and arrogant in their stupidity. McCain, the old fox, suckered Obama into being 100 percent confident that he'd pick an old white man for VP.

>>"And who cares if Bush was mentioned or not at the convention? He's not running, despite what the Left would have us believe."

When McCain picked Palin, he stripped Obama from having the Fall strategy Obama squandered his whole convention building. They spent their whole convention bashing Bush, expecting to easily label McCain "the same". Now, they ended up wasting their convention on bashing Bush pointlessly.

And squandering tens of millions of dollars of donor money on wild overspending for that $6 million stage, fireworks, orchestral music, lavish media backstaging, etc.

Obscene spending on lavish excesses at the convention, misspent convention focus bashing Bush due to mistaken overconfidence about what McCain would & wouldn't do and now Obama's dragging around an old, fuzzy Biden like dead weight on his ticket.

Sure he'd run the country great.

>>"Remember, while McCain votes 88% with the GOP, Obama votes 96% with the Democratic Party - further evidence to the lie that he's bipartisan."

Can a president sign "present" instead of signing his name or using a veto?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

If you think WcCain is better suited to run the economy....you have the intelligence of a kindergartner. Period.

Posted by: WTF??? | September 8, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

uhh how is Obama as president scary?? Answer that?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"Palin? President? How much scarier can you get?
Posted by: Harold | September 8, 2008 4:49 PM"

Answer: Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

My husband also has a degree in communications. He could run for Rep VP!

Oh wait, he also has integrity.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't know rather to be scared or ashamed that you people are so stuck on race and your mis-perceived color superiority that you would reject a candidate everyone in the world can see is phenomenal for a peckerwood no nothing and a old senile dude who got everything he has based on his last name and the woman he left he his wife for.

While I am saddened I am in no way surprised and fully understand that it is just this type of thing that causes a 45 year old Black person to admit they have never been proud to be American. America has never lived up to it's stated ideals and made us proud.

Posted by: chris c | September 8, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the alleged Palin book banning reported by Biff: If you check the facts at Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp), it never happened. It's just another loose cannon e-mail that was posted here to make a (fictional) point.

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This is utterly disingenuous, and you must know it if you read the snopes article. It is true that there is no list of books that she intended to ban. It is also true that she asked how she could go about banning objectionable books.

It is true that the librarian was never fired. It is also true that Palin *tried* to fire her, and was only stopped when the city went into an uproar about it.

Clearly the intention was there. It is hard to say what books Palin may have considered removing, but that changes nothing. It is distinctly un-American to ban books from public libraries.

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey chuck there are documented calls and emails sent to the librarian precisely like Gonzo, threatening the librarian's termination unless she banned books Mayor Palin demanded. You are right her City Council threatened to remove Palin if she pursued her book banning that apprently you and the GOP now sanction. The fact that Palin backed down on threats of removal sure makes me feel better that she will safeguard the US Constitution. Apparently she is not familiar with the first amendment, something she didn't hve time to study while on the basketball court. That does not make her conservative, it makes her a radical.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 8, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing that when a poll shows that McCain-Palin ticket is ahead that the Dems come out with hate spewing from their mouths. What does that show about their character and value system?

On one hand they say lets talk about the issues, but when they feel threatened -- like by a good candidate like Palin -- they resort to slander, cursing and lies in order to try to win people over.

It backfired on their attacks on Palin and it will continue to backfire.

Is their any compassion with the Dems other than the idea of take from the rich and give to poor mentality? That isn't compassion, that is socialism.

I'm an American who has lived in former communist Europe for 16 years. I've seen what that type of socialism results in. It produces a society that sees no good to work hard and get ahead. It causes a rundown, decaying infrastructure. It results in an attitude of no compassion or concern for others.

That is where the Democratic policies will take the US if we let them.

Posted by: CarlCR | September 8, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

This will probably ruffle some feathers, but oh well.

The right wing evangelical extremists, who are flocking around Sarah Palin, are the type of people who believe the Bible is the actual word of God. They believe the world began with the Book of Genesis.

People who actually believe that nonsense are easily fooled by propaganda. Let's face it, the Bible is the biggest piece of propaganda ever written. (I am thinking of all the fools who sent $ to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker back in the 80's.)

So, Sarah's popularity doesn't surprise me. It has nothing to do with real issues or facts or intelligence or science, it has to do with manipulation of the evangelicals by the Republican Party.

John McCain will distance himself from the evangelicals if he's elected, but he definitely needs to get them on his side for now.

Very shrewd, but what a sell-out, John!!

Posted by: mamacita | September 8, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Palin? President? How much scarier can you get? I would hope the American people are smarter than this.

Posted by: Harold | September 8, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

We need the smartest possible representatives in Washington but, the oil companies control the Republican party as shown by McSame's choice for VP. Sarah Palin is astonishingly unqualified to be Vice President. Her education is very thin with only a degree in communications. She changed colleges every year while attending - bad grades? She lacks knowledge and experience in foreign affairs. She was mayor of a small town of 7000 people and then Governor of Alaska for less than 2 years. She tried to have books banned from the Wasilla library. She does not believe in evolution or global warming and wants to drill in ANWR to solve our energy problem. The corruption she "cleaned up" in Alaska probably occurred because the oil companies were tired of making payoffs. She is not even ready to give a press conference yet.
We need to end our oil addiction in ten years or America will be bankrupt. Obama is smarter than McSame/Palin put together. With Joe Biden's help, he will make a fine President who will surprise everyone including Republicans with his leadership and bi-partisanship. If McCain/Palin win, you can be sure that little will change. The rich will get richer and the middle class and poor will get poorer. America will become a second rate power. Osama Bin Laden will remain at large. I live in NYC and I'm angry every time I look at the lower Manhattan skyline. If a Democrat was President when 9-11 occurred, Fox News would still be howling about it. You can bet your life that Obama/Biden will get Bin Laden because the rest of the world is going to have much more respect for America after we make the intelligent choice. It's time to quit pissing around with Pakistan and Iran and force them to clean up their act. Only Obama/Biden will be able to unite the country and world in order to accomplish the defeat of extremism and terrorism, Islamic and otherwise. If McCain/Palin attempt this, there will be tremendous pushback from the left and we'll be too divided to get it done.

Posted by: MrCrash | September 8, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"The thought of his (McCain) being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." - U.S. Senator Thad Cochran (Republican - Mississippi)

Posted by: anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Okay quick question here: why do almost all conspiracy nutjobs here support Obama? Or is that too a govt agitprop subversion campaign too stop Obama from being president?
The nutjobs own timelines show actions occurring while Clinton was president so it's not like conspiracies are a GOP thing.

And why does a VP choice automatically get wrapped in conspiracy accusations just because Obama claimed that Alaska was a battlegorund state?

If you think ahead you are a conspiring leader? Is that it?


Posted by: VultureTX | September 8, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

If O'Rielly on Fox liked Obama then he is in my book, I'm voting for intelligence and common sence! He actualy had nothing bad to say about him, funny, no one does.

"He's a tough guy, Obama. I looked at him eye to eye, he's not a wimp. He's not a wimpy guy." -Bill O'Reilly

Posted by: was republican | September 8, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The handful of scientist who cast doubt on global warming data receive huge grants from the likes of Exxon Mobile for doing so.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse


The McCain campaign is trying to stretch the convention bounce by keeping Palin away from the press.

Posted by: bsimon | September 8, 2008 1:09 PM

That's probably explains why she will be interviewed by ABC News anchor Charles Gibson later this week.

Posted by: cozadeech | September 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

As angry Muslims = Taliban.

Religous Fanatic Republian = Taliban

Should you bring back 'witch' burning too along with the KKK? You would if you could! Oh wait...you can if Palin comes to the white house.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What a wasted election year. The republicans keep focusing on issues of no interest to the voters, such as polls and 'hockey mom' that they are wasting valuable time in telling us what their plans are to straighten out this country's current problems.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!! I feel I know Palin from all that is out there already. I want the 'beef'!!!

What are you going to do to create jobs to get us back to work? What is EXACTLY your plan?

How are you going to get us away from dependence on oil? How long is it going to take? Will I live long enough to see it or will you need more time to accomplish it (like maybe another 2 or 3 terms for the republican party in office)? If you're not in favor of a national health plan, how much (the bottom line here) is it going to cost me to get affordable health care? How are you going to handle this debt that Bush's administration has put on us to bail out Fannie and Freddie? Remember, I only make $8.50 an hour and won't have much left after taxes, so be REAL in your answer. After all, I DIDN'T MAKE THIS MESS, YOUR PARTY DID!!! And this bail-out of the New York financial institute (again, a private business like Fannie and Freddie) WHY AM I RESPONCIBLE FOR THEIR BUSINESS FAILURE??? Afterall, I didn't approve of deregulating them. I certainly wasn't included in their financial decisions! And since when are taxes given to businesses that deal in 'speculation'?

I don't give a hoot who the candidates are, what I do care about, is who is going to SAVE AMERICA. Afterall, for politicians and government bureaucrats, it is not about economic efficiency or consumer welfare, it is about control. Politicians have an interest in perpetuating an “us-versus-them” attitude because it allows them to advance agendas and score political points. I'm tired of that agenda, it's time to ACT!

Here's the facts as I see them, forget who is responcible:

There was the 9/11 incident, this created more agencies, spending more money, more debt.

The Afganistan war, spending more money on experimental weapons and testing them in that war, resulting in 'Mission not accomplished' (capture of Osama), creating more debt.

The Iraqi war, 'Mission never accomplished', more spending, loss of lives, greater debt (had to go to the chinese to borrow).

Failure of the housing market, due to deregulation, more money, more debt.

States (Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois, Texas, Oregon, and others) started selling/leasing their infrastructures to foreign countries, because there is no federal money to help them. This is a scary one, because it is a sign that we are selling ourselves off to foreign interests. How much more borrowing from China will it take?

Do you all see a picture here, or is it just me?

GIVE AMERICANS THE TRUTH! IF WE ARE IN BAD SHAPE WE WANT TO KNOW, SO WE CAN PULL TOGETHER AND STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. A few individuals in government do not have the abilities or the courage to make a difference. WE AMERICANS DO!

Posted by: germanguy | September 8, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

One of the better discussions of the Palin book banning story.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/51821.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

thank you for that website, K

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

GE’s stock falls as its broadcast arms rise on the liberal activism scale. GE lost more than 34% of its shareholder value since September 2007.

The share value reflects the ratings. When John McCain gave his acceptance speech -- to a larger television audience than Obama attracted for his Greek temple extravaganza -- only about 2.5 million people watched on MSNBC, according to the Drudge Report. Fox drew nearly 400% of MSNBC’s audience, about 9.2 million viewers.

Just wait. Obama wants to do the same thing th america that Olbermann did to MSDNC.

Posted by: silly libs, ratings are for Repubs | September 8, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Blah-Blah- Global Warming IS a hoax. you must not have gotten the memo- the key term is "Climate Change" now- because the globe is cooling back down.
(Like it did in the 70s...and 40s....and...)

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Yes, this is why the north pole is predicted to be completely devoid of ice for the first time in recorded history this summer. The ice up there is in on the hoax and is deliberately melting at temperatures lower than 32F. It is crazy liberal ice.

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Religious right = "Christian" Taliban = anti-Christian agenda pretending to be Christian.
God is not mocked. Hate-filled republicans will reap what they sow.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

For the love of GOD stop talking about McBush being a POW. I am so damn sick of hearing about that. Yes, I respect the hell out of him for what he did back then. But I also respect all those who fight today. He apparently doesn't. He has offered up no views on the fact that soldiers are getting poor healthcare, that he opposed the new GI Bill, and the fact that while he has too many houses to remember, most vets don't own a single home (read "Homeless"). His war record has nothing to do with who he is now. If anything, I'd say that I would have voted for a younger McCain. Even 10 years ago would have sufficed. But he is just a GOP lapdog pansy now that I will never respect.

Posted by: Xander | September 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

THE EXPERIENCE OF SEN. BIDEN AND GOV. PALIN IS EQUAL.

I tried to compare Sen. Biden's experience to Gov. Palin's. The result is a tie. Gov. Palin and Sen. Biden have complementary experiences; She fills in the gap he is lacking in and viceversa.

Sen. Biden has foreign affairs experience. Knowledge of how Washington works. However, he lacks executive experience. Also, his knowledge is narrow in scope and unworldly because he has spent his entire career in the Washington closet.

----------------------VS.-----------------------

Gov. Palin has executive experience. Knowledge of local issues and women's issues. However, she lacks knowledge in foreign affairs and how Washington works. Her knowledge is worldly and wider in scope than Sen. Biden since she had a variety of jobs. (BTW, she has 5 kids while having a career. This is extremely tough. I don't know how to measure this experience, so I did not.)

Posted by: Biden vs. Palin | September 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

>> Xander wrote: "Sarah Palin holds to beliefs that remind me of the days of witch burnings. I mean does she really believe that as a society we need to hold true to beliefs that have been outdated since the 1700's?"

You mean like the witchhunt that you all try to put her through?

The only beliefs that are out of touch are those in the echo chamber of the left-wing liberals & elitist Eastern media.

I.e. you're the ones who are out of touch.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: K | September 8, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

these angry commy kids have been pissed off since 2000 when they wrongfully thought bush stole the election. complete idiots

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse


Hey Pop:
Any proof on that bridge crap? Maybe just hot air like Obama spews out?

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | September 8, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Margaret Thatcher to Angela Merkel."


Dont' EVEN compare these 2 to unexperianced, out-there, Palin!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I vote for Wisdom ,and thats McCain.

Obama? NADDA

Posted by: makaiva | September 8, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Rite on Bama... You an I shud git togetha fer beer sum time!

Posted by: Redneck raisin McCain | September 8, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the alleged Palin book banning reported by Biff: If you check the facts at Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp), it never happened. It's just another loose cannon e-mail that was posted here to make a (fictional) point.

You'll also notice that somehow, the librarian never actually got fired...

Next they'll be saying she used kittens and puppies for skeet... (and there will be dopes ready to believe it and willing to pass it on)

Posted by: Chuck | September 8, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The bounce will last if they can keep alive the lie that Sarah Palin keeps repeating, that she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere. In fact she lobbied hard for that and the huge amount of earmarks she brought to the tiny town of Wasilla, Alaska. It was a major reason she was elected governor, because Alaskans love to feed at the federal trough.

Posted by: Pop | September 8, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

>> Palincomparison wrote: "Can you imagine Palin sitting down across the table from Putin negotiating nuclear treaties. Or talking with Hu of China about trade policies? My god, they'd eat her for breakfast. Picture Palin trying to keep India and Pakistan from blowing themselves – and the rest of the world – up in a nuclear holocast..."

Uhh, check out the hot Prime Minister of Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshen. I think our Sarah is at least a match for her. I think Sarah's better looking, too. (more vibrant & forceful personality).

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/08/cheney-mccain-palin-administration-will-be-unlike-any-other/

Look, sexist, most other countries in the world have or have had female leaders. We're way behind the curve, from Margaret Thatcher to Angela Merkel. And Pakistan, that haven for woman-hating Taliban, had a female president before we did, Benazir Bhutto. Palin is phenomenal & will do fine on the world stage.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

why are voters so stupid. Most of what Palin said in her speech can be proven false or proven a half truth with reserach.

Posted by: This is ridiculous though | September 8, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

There WILl be a Xtain taliban if Palin gets in...and Reps want that, believe me!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

wow really you people make me sick i hear things like (this is the end of america) you all should be making commercials for the terrorists. Obama the best canidate please whats his record in the senate he voted present 85 times in only 3 and a half years to you idiots that don't know what that means it means he didnt vote yes or no 85 times. A rookie senator can get away with that with the defence that he's new but he shouldnt figure out the answers to our country while he's president! Dont worry i can bring u back to reality with the FACTS not idle mudslinging and gossip. Bush 2 i dont think so look at his bipartisan record of voting in areas like campaign finance reform, immigration, energy how bout obama? Talk is cheap and action speaks louder than words, what about when John attacked congressinal republicans on spending so i guess he's just like bush hardline republican, no haters are full of it you are all brainwashed to think that way l0ok at the facts people dont trust liberal bias media. I thought i was finished with this blog then i just look up and you people give me more ammunition "THE PALIN SELECTION AND THE DIMINUTION OF DEMOCRACY:
IS A SILENT COUP HAPPENING IN THE U.S.A?" I disagree sir! MCcain was a PRISONER OF WAR he was offered to be realeased after being tortured for almost a year he declined and ended up staying 5 and a half years cause he took an oath and kept it if that isnt selfless what is. So he's so unselfish he would rather stay in a vietnamese prison camp knowing he may die there than break his oath to his country yeah hes in it for him not COUNTRY FIRST if this were a coup than mccain would of only been a pow for 6 months theres not a selfish bone in his body! Many got to see his true colors RED WHITE AND BLUE in the gop convention bringing facts to the people and thats were the bounce came from. Sorry for ya i see the dems are starting to panic thats why most these bblogs belong in the national inquirer. P.S. keep throwing garbage it will be your undoing in the end

Posted by: Ed J Naples Fl. | September 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Racists, Ignorant, Redneck, Righties...listen to you socialists morons.. your boy yobamma is slipping in the polls because he is starting to be seen for the racist, socialists, leftist scam artist that he is. His past
is coming to haunt him, his hatred of the other side is showing, his fondness for terrorist is popping up and the sexist and anti semantic that he is is finaly out in the open. The twinkle you see in his eye is his career dissapation light and it has swung into full tilt. You idiots havent believed me in the past because of your hatred of the right but this guy is nothing but smoke and mirrors with a liberal media kissing his back side to be his friend.. well the American people arent dumb .. the left cant muster up a candidate with any values or honor and ...again you will lose this election because you are vile, spitefull people.
Bubba said that...

Posted by: bubba the troll youall love to hate | September 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a Trojan horse who apparently doesn't know about Trojans.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse


anonymous:
"Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media."

Stop crying. Abama hid from Clinton on debating. Suck it up.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | September 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Gawd. MSNBC is showing Biden on the stump today.

He's focused & not rambling aimlessly like he often does. But that doesn't make Biden an attractive speaker. He sounds like a hectoring old crank with marbles in his mouth.

LOL. Obama has this musty old baggage, filled with ages of Washington insider junk, to drag around like dead weight for the next 8 weeks.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I was a swing voter, after seeing the republican convention,And seeing Sarah Palin give that speech, was a turn off,I decide to go OBAMA!!!!! all the was "2008". I also made a donation to OBAMA that night. because we need need money to fight against McCain. I am a group of women , who were Hilary voters, and are now Obama supporters. So for anyone out the who think, Hilary supporter didn't listen to her,to support Obama, then think again.Just the thought of 4 more years of this ecomony down fall, wars, health care, lost of job, high food, and gas prices, worry about if I can make my house payment, eating at my saving to get through another day, week, month.. How can I put my trust in a man, who was in
Washington, for 26 years(was he fighting for me then?? I think not.who voted with Bush 95% of the time. who want to keep Bush tax cut in place (which rewards the rich oil company, who's already have money)who have 7 home,How do he know what it it to pay a gas bill, light bill, ect.. how can he help me, and my needs?? I guess he have to wait for Karl Rove, to tell him what to do. Again I ask What can he do for me, nothing but the same,BULL as BUSH.

Posted by: Flora | September 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The DHS would like to remind you that such provocations as comparing republicans to Taliban only server to insult and inflame the Taliban, thus making the War on Terror that much harder to win.

Please refrain from insulting the Taliban in this manner in the future.

Sincerely yours,

DHS

"What is it with the dreaming rightwingers on this site?

Take a look at the actual proposals the candidates have and if McCain/Palin don't scare you then you are a Taliban wanabe.

Posted by: vic | September 8, 2008 4:29 PM"

Posted by: DHS | September 8, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I travel a lot, and ALWAYS know when I am in a biblical Red state when i see 100's of billboards of pornography and sex video stores!!!!

Hipocrites all Reps are.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

ESSBIRD are you seriously citing the Daily Show as documented proof of a hypocrisy?

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Seriously, you should give more credit to the Daily Show. Nobody is as good at pointing out how much of a fool you're being made by politicians. My favorite is when they put clips up against each other and show you how fantastically hypocritical they are.

It was delightful back in 2003 to see the clips of Bush in 2000 insisting that the military should not be used to force regime change. Well, delightfully depressing, I guess.

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

New Zealand is nice

Posted by: BB | September 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin holds to beliefs that remind me of the days of witch burnings. I mean does she really believe that as a society we need to hold true to beliefs that have been outdated since the 1700's?

Posted by: Xander | September 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

.

Hannah D:
I'm now feeling that I may need to start my parents looking for houses in Canada. Or New Zealand. Or anywhere but here.

Take Obama with you.


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Posted by: Jack The Ripper | September 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Blah-Blah- Global Warming IS a hoax. you must not have gotten the memo- the key term is "Climate Change" now- because the globe is cooling back down.
(Like it did in the 70s...and 40s....and...)

Posted by: Jhonny | September 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

This post is for the people who actually care what happens to America. The rest of you can continue your grade school antics.

1. If you can justify repeating the last 8 years with the next 4, then by all means vote for McCain.
2. McCain's Health Care Plan - McCain will eliminate the group health care tax deduction for corps. You company will no longer provide group health care for you. They will add the cost of your health care insurance plan to your income. For example - if you earn $100,000 and you employer pays $9,000 for your group health care, your income will be $109,000 (more taxable) McCain will give you a $5,000 tax credit for families and $2500 for singles(which depending on your tax bracket may not total $5000) to buy your $9000 health care plan. It get's better. If you want another plan, you are free to do so. You can take your $5000 and purchase your own health care plan - Average $12,000 - $15,000 for families and average $6,000 - $10,000 for singles. Keep in mind that you have to undergo insurance company underwriting. If you are a cancer surviver, you with either not be eligible for coverage or your premiums will be huge. (Note you only have, at most, $5000 to pay this.

Just this ONE McCain plan is enough to get Real Americans, thinking Americans to say ENOUGH!

My next piece will be on McCain's so called tax cuts!

Posted by: Julescator | September 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

What they don't mention, is that 89% of the Obama voters don't waste their time taking stupid polls that don't mean diddly squat!

Posted by: NotSoFast | September 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Do Reps even know what socialism is? NO, it is just a scare tactic of course with Rep. Gov't.

COLUMBIA IN SOUTH AMERICA USE TO BE DRUG RIDDEN AND DANGEROUS...UNTIL THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR A NEW TYPE OF PRESIDENT...A MAN WITH LITTLE POLICITAL EXPERIANCE....THEY VOTED HIM IN BECAUSE HE IS A COLLEGE PROFESSOR AND HE CLEANED UP COLUMBIA!!!

See what someone educated can do for you?? See what Obama can do for us if you give him a chance.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Actually, if the Republicans really want the Presidency again, enough to lie, cheat, and steal another election, maybe we should let them have it. Bush has run the country so deep in the ditch it isn't fair for the Democrats to have to do the hard work to pull it out.

Let McCain and Palin show us how its done. Their platform calls for driving the country out of the ditch and off the cliff. Fine by me. We were getting too big for our britches as a superpower anyway. If we are broke, we won't be able to invade anyone for a while and the world can breathe a little easier.

Vote Republican. More war, more debt, more special deals for the rich. Yeah!

Posted by: Chuck | September 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

You realize Palin disregards all fact don't you? She believes Global warming is a hoax and creationalism should be taught in schools. Lets step back to the 1800s in our beliefs shall we? Next she will claim evidence is lacking that the earth is round and lets get those witches - they are real you know....

Posted by: blah-blah | September 8, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

She looks like she in pain... or maybe it's just the immense discomfort that people feel withing 100 feet of John McCain.
As much as I don't like him, you've got to hand it to McCain- he dropped a pretty big bombshell on Obama's convention bounce. I'm now feeling that I may need to start my parents looking for houses in Canada. Or New Zealand. Or anywhere but here.

Posted by: Hannah D | September 8, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Whether Liberal democrats like it or not, the fact is, there are plenty of conservatives out here and Sarah Palin has great appeal to us. The more you trash her, the more we'll like her. Pretty much the way you feel when Obama gets trashed.

Posted by: Kathy Hansen | September 8, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

She looks like she in pain... or maybe it's just the immense discomfort that people feel withing 100 feet of John McCain.
As much as I don't like him, you've got to hand it to McCain- he dropped a pretty big bombshell on Obama's convention bounce. I'm now feeling that I may need to start my parents looking for houses in Canada. Or New Zealand. Or anywhere but here.

Posted by: Hannah D | September 8, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE (ESPECIALLY PROVINCIAL EXPERIENCE) PROVED TO BE HIGHLY OVERRATED!

Lest we forget, Republican President George W. Bush’s government experience was limited to “executive experience.” President George W. Bush served two full terms as governor of Texas before he was elected President of the United States. President George W. Bush had no Nation Government experience. Governor Palin, like President George W. Bush, has no National Government experience. Governor Palin, like President George W. Bush, offers only “executive experience.”

President George W. Bush’s provincial “executive experience” proved disastrous for all Americans. Indeed, President George W. Bush—with his “executive experience” only resume—proved so disastrous as President, McCain-Palin and the Republican Party are now trying to disassociate themselves from President George W. Bush.

Governor Palin has less “executive experience” than President George W. Bush. If President George W. Bush--with all of his “executive experience”--destroyed prosperity and peace in American, one can only image what destruction Governor Palin--with her "executive experience"--will bring down on Americans.

Governor Palin’s “executive experience” is extremely provincial, limited to a remote state with a mere population of some 700 thousand. By contrast, I live in a county with +3 million Americans. More than 300 million people in the United States. The challenges of meeting the needs of 700 thousand do not compare to the challenges of the needs of 300 million Americans. The needs of the 300 million Americans made more desperate by 8 years of President George W. Bush policies and actions—guided by his so called “executive experience.”

I’ll take my chances on Obama-Biden—two men with the national government experience. Governor Palin, like President George W. Bush, has the wrong type of job experience: “executive experience.”


Posted by: txgall | September 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Election 2008-
Red state religious right republican populations do love their pornography, but rules are for other people. God sees.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry. I forgot to thank those two MSNBC lowlifes--Keith and Chris--the Obama Boys. The rest of the MSNBC Staff is also firmly in the Obama corner (no pun intended). But, maybe they understand that they could go next. And, for them to find new jobs with their credentials would be difficult. They might get jobs on oil rigs in the Alaska (ANWR)

Posted by: Josephine | September 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

So, concerned. By your standard we should not vote for Obama because of his name? I think your views on politics in general is skewed, nevermind the media.

Posted by: Xander | September 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

What is it with the dreaming rightwingers on this site?

Take a look at the actual proposals the candidates have and if McCain/Palin don't scare you then you are a Taliban wanabe.

Posted by: vic | September 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Racists, Ignorant, Redneck, Righties...listen to you socialists morons.. your boy yobamma is slipping in the polls because he is starting to be seen for the racist, socialists, leftist scam artist that he is. His past
is coming to haunt him, his hatred of the other side is showing, his fondness for terrorist is popping up and the sexist and anti semantic that he is is finaly out in the open. The twinkle you see in his eye is his career dissapation light and it has swung into full tilt. You idiots havent believed me in the past because of your hatred of the right but this guy is nothing but smoke and mirrors with a liberal media kissing his back side to be his friend.. well the American people arent dumb .. the left cant muster up a candidate with any values or honor and ...again you will lose this election because you are vile, spitefull people.
Bubba said that...

Posted by: bubba the troll you all love to hate | September 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The fat cat corporate media is trying their damnedest to shove the right-wing propoganda down our throats, and combined with the Rep convention it seems to be working temporarily, but 80 percent of us know the country is going in the wrong direction, and nearly all of us remember which party is in the White House. I think the 'bounce' is gonna be short-lived.

Obama-Biden all the way, baby!

Posted by: jerry | September 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

basementfrog is what's wrong with America.

enough said

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Let's face, us Democrats don't know how to win the White House and the Republicans are masters at it. Also we are a bit too early to declare "we can't win" . Come on Democrats, pick yourselves up by the boot straps and give the old man and the mooseburger a fight that they won't forget!

Posted by: an observer | September 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

City of Wasilla posts frequently requested documents pertaining to Palin.

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=136

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The McCain/Palin ticket is going to lose on so many fronts it will not be funny. It only takes a McCain health scare or multiple gaffes by Palin to knock the ticket out.

Polls are just a private and unexplained polling of typically 400 to 1000 people. How the pollng was conducted is never explained. The McCain campaign is looking at the polling numbers and feeling good. The Obama campaign is looking at the number of voters being registered and feeling good.

With all the domestic and foreign affairs happening now, the longer Palin is silent and unseen, the more this will hurt McCain's campaign.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if she can't negociate with Putin or anyone else...

She's EVANGELICAL ....WEEEEEE

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

According to a new exposé in the liberal New Republic, Obama, before embarking on a career in politics, similarly, albeit quietly, repudiated "community organizing," only to re-embrace it decades later, apparently out of political expediency.

TNR's John Judis tracked down Jerry Kellman, who in 1985 "hired Obama to organize residents of Chicago's South Side." Kellman describes a conversation the two "community organizers" had at a conference on "social justice" in October 1987:

"[Obama] wanted to marry and have children, and to have a stable income," Kellman recalls.

But Obama was also worried about something else. He told Kellman that he feared community organizing would never allow him "to make major changes in poverty or discrimination." To do that, he said, "you either had to be an elected official or be influential with elected officials." In other words, Obama believed that his chosen profession was getting him nowhere, or at least not far enough. . . .

And so, Obama told Kellman, he had decided to leave community organizing and go to law school.

Another way of putting this might be that Obama left community organizing because he wanted a job in which he had actual responsibilities (and, of course, earned more money).

But Obama did not decide only that "community organizing" was not for him. Judis reports the future senator took part in a September 1989 symposium in which he "rejected the guiding principles of community organizing: the elevation of self-interest over moral vision; the disdain for charismatic leaders and their movements; and the suspicion of politics itself." Later, Obama "would begin to construct a political identity for himself that was not simply different from his identity as a community organizer--but was, in fact, its very opposite."

Judis offers the closest thing we've heard to a job description for "community organizers." What they do, he writes, is "unite people of different backgrounds around common goals and use their collective strength to wring concessions from the powers that be." To help illuminate this rather vague description, Judis also enumerates some of the tasks Obama and his colleagues undertook.

Before Obama's arrival in Chicago, Kellman and his "partner," Mike Kruglik, set out "to revive the region's manufacturing base--and preserve what remained of its steel industry--by working with unions and church groups to pressure companies and the city; but those hopes were quickly dashed." Apparently the presence of "community organizers" is not a strong selling point for companies making location decisions. Go figure.

Obama set his sights lower, but still missed the mark. He "got community members to demand a job center that would provide job referrals, but there were few jobs to distribute." Then "he tried to create what he called a 'second-level consumer economy' . . . consisting of shops, restaurants, and theaters. This, too, went nowhere."

These efforts at economic development having failed, Obama "began to focus on providing social services for Altgeld Gardens," a government-owned and -operated apartment complex:

"We didn't yet have the power to change state welfare policy, or create local jobs, or bring substantially more money into the schools," [Obama] wrote. "But what we could do was begin to improve basic services at Altgeld--get the toilets fixed, the heaters working, the windows repaired." Obama helped the residents wage a successful campaign to get the Chicago Housing Authority to promise to remove asbestos from the units; but, after an initial burst of activity, the city failed to keep its promise. (As of last year, some residences still had not been cleared of asbestos.)

It is both funny and scary that one of America's major political parties would offer this record of sheer futility as its nominee's chief qualification to be president of the United States. Even more striking, though, is how alien the world in which Obama operated was by comparison with the world in which normal Americans live.

Reader, when your toilet breaks, do you wait around for some Ivy League hotshot to show up and organize a meeting so that you can use your collective strength to wring concessions from the powers that be?

Or do you call a plumber?

As a "community organizer," Obama toiled within a subculture of such abject dependency that even home repairs were "social services," provided by government (or, in Obama's Chicago, not provided). It was an utterly bizarre intersection between the cultural elite and the underclass. By Judis's account, Obama's Columbia degree was useless. He would have been more helpful if he'd gone to vocational school instead.

Judis quotes an Altgeld resident as telling Obama, "Ain't nothing gonna change. . . . We just gonna concentrate on saving our money so we can move outta here as fast as we can." Certainly no one can fault Obama for doing the same thing. But what did Obama move outta there do to? To become a politician--specifically, an "idealistic" politician who wants "to make major changes in poverty." Guys like that created this mess in the first place.

In his political career, has Obama done or even said anything to suggest that he has a different approach to "poverty," one that would reduce dependency rather than promote it? His recent rediscovery of the glories of "community organizing" certainly isn't an encouraging sign.

Posted by: Chicoutimi | September 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

A bounce implies going up and coming down. The up at this time will stay up for McCain and Palin are by far the best candidates. Obama will say and do anything to get to Presidency; look at him in the past year+. He has changed on everything and he is a rank amateur. It does not matter how many Berlin backdrops he has or Corinthian columns in a stadium. He is a articulate hollow suit. Joe Biden is a plagiarist, liar and has had one year in the Senate 30 times. Go McCain and Palin

Posted by: Josephine | September 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Gallup Poll:

McCain 54% - 44%

To the Liberal Mainstream Media, especially MSNBC, CNN, CBS, the Radical Left Wing bloggers, US Magazine, MTV, and Democrat leaders:

Senator John McCain thanks you!

Governor Sarah Palin thanks you!

Let the Backlash continue!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

wow really you people make me sick i hear things like (this is the end of america) you all should be making commercials for the terrorists. Obama the best canidate please whats his record in the senate he voted present 85 times in only 3 and a half years to you idiots that don't know what that means it means he didnt vote yes or no 85 times. A rookie senator can get away with that with the defence that he's new but he shouldnt figure out the answers to our country while he's president! Dont worry i can bring u back to reality with the FACTS not idle mudslinging and gossip. Bush 2 i dont think so look at his bipartisan record of voting in areas like campaign finance reform, immigration, energy how bout obama? Talk is cheap and action speaks louder than words, what about when John attacked congressinal republicans on spending so i guess he's just like bush hardline republican, no haters are full of it you are all brainwashed to think that way l0ok at the facts people dont trust liberal bias media. I thought i was finished with this blog then i just look up and you people give me more ammunition "THE PALIN SELECTION AND THE DIMINUTION OF DEMOCRACY:
IS A SILENT COUP HAPPENING IN THE U.S.A?" I disagree sir! MCcain was a PRISONER OF WAR he was offered to be realeased after being tortured for almost a year he declined and ended up staying 5 and a half years cause he took an oath and kept it if that isnt selfless what is. So he's so unselfish he would rather stay in a vietnamese prison camp knowing he may die there than break his oath to his country yeah hes in it for him not COUNTRY FIRST if this were a coup than mccain would of only been a pow for 6 months theres not a selfish bone in his body! Many got to see his true colors RED WHITE AND BLUE in the gop convention bringing facts to the people and thats were the bounce came from. Sorry for ya i see the dems are starting to panic thats why most these bblogs belong in the national inquirer. P.S. keep throwing garbage it will be your undoing in the end

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Patriot My A$$:

THAT'S A GOOD ONE! LOVE IT!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

You guys in the press gleefully report when the Democrat is ahead in the polls. There is no disclamer about the accuracy, meaning or relevance of the poll itself. Then, when the GOP candidate is winning you say "It's always dangerous to draw conclusions about the trend of a presidential race based on a single poll taken in the immediate aftermath of a convention. And, a look at all national surveys taken so far this month suggest a more mixed result."
Why?
You have just compared a daily tracking poll right after a convention to other polls which precede the GOP convetion. As you know a poll is a snapshot in time. The most recent snapshot has McCain ahead and you don't like it, so you are trying to minimize it. that's OK you can pull your head out of the sand after the election.

Posted by: Clif | September 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

LOL Redneck... You're right. People cant understand why the recent polls are swinging in McCain-Palin's direction. Their only excuse is that we are stupid. If that is the best they got then that says a little about their intelligence.... People like you and I is the glue that holds this country together.

Posted by: Bama for McCain | September 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I love the idea of American going into the Tank.. you go republicans! Run this dog into the ground.

At last!

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

It has been said that Palin is a right wing harridan carefully pulled out of Alaskan wilderness in a desperate attempt to appeal to the "Hilary Moms" of America, She well may. still, this is too easy. Yes, Palin, is, in essence, a successful cutthroat career gal of Rice, Myers, Coulter variety, which indeed should appeal to a contingent of “gutsy” career types like herself. But, seriously, why would anyone else vote for a sporadically-educated, slightly off kilter, if uber-ambitions Hockey Mom with “barracuda” people skills and mannerisms of a provincial schoolmarm? There’s plenty of them plying these qualities already, all over the political spectrum, left and right. This one just happened to get ahead due to the obvious lack of competition in the freezing latitudes. GOP is well aware of that. The public is aware of that. Gop is aware the public is aware. So why Palin then? The matter is quite simple: To a certain taste, she has the Older Babe Busty Mom sexual appeal and thus selected to attract the connoisseurs of certain popular niche in the internet pornography: Juicy Moms, Oldies but Goldies, Milfionaire, XXX Amateur Moms, Beauty Over 40 - that sort of allure, to mention only the mentionable titles. Disgusting business, yes. But can it be that McCain’s seemingly visceral decision to enlist Sarah’s services was a part of the more devious plan to “energize” the e n t i r e fan base of the genre??...

Well, judging by this USA Today poll and a multitude of dickbrain commentary on this blog, this strategy began to work already.

Posted by: Election2008 | September 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Republican supporters have Teflon brains. Logic will not stick to them.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine Palin sitting down across the table from Putin negotiating nuclear treaties. Or talking with Hu of China about trade policies? My god, they'd eat her for breakfast. Picture Palin trying to keep India and Pakistan from blowing themselves – and the rest of the world – up in a nuclear holocast. Not to mention Iran and Isreal. People, this is a woman that believes dinosaurs walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden 6000 years ago. And there's a very good chance she could become president. Scared yet? I sure as hell am.

Posted by: Palincomparison | September 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Can you just feel the fear from the Democrats? They thought they had this locked up, but stumbled, as usual.

And who cares if Bush was mentioned or not at the convention? He's not running, despite what the Left would have us believe.

Remember, while McCain votes 88% with the GOP, Obama votes 96% with the Democratic Party - further evidence to the lie that he's bipartisan.

Posted by: Bill | September 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Eventually Obama will have to tell us all why he did not pick Hillary for the veep job. Joe Biden is a good man, but he hardly excites the masses like Hillary can. Well senator Obama, you may have cost us, Democrats sick and tired of the neocons agenda, the 2008 election....

Posted by: color blind | September 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's assume that obama loses in the Fall. does anyone seriously think he will reach across the aisle and try to make progress by compromising on important issues from his Senate seat?

nope, he will start running for anojther election

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse


McCain the hero...rethink the bull


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk

Bush, Cheney, Rumpfeeler and McCain... all republicans and all cowards.

Like brains, the have no cahones.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Remember? "I'm a compassionate conservative." "I'm a uniter not a divider." "I will fire anyone in my administration who leaked information about a CIA operative."
- George W. Bush -

Remember? "I can't vote for these tax cuts because I think they're unfair." "The economy is fundamentally sound." "Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iran."

- John McCain -

So, what happens? "Heck of a job, Brownie."
Alberto Gonzales picked to head judiciary. No one is fired but Libby is pardoned. Myers picked for Supreme Court.

And... McCain says I will continue the tax cuts. And, on CBS yesterday, "the economy is in terrible shape."

Remember what Bush promised...then delivered. Remember what McCain is promising. As Bush (almost) said, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." The USA Today poll says it all. SHAME ON US!

Posted by: Abarafi | September 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how people still think Bill O'Reilly is a a REAL journalist. That man is a cancer on the face of journalism.

Posted by: AJ | September 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Americans are as F@#$ing dumb as a box of nails.

Not only is McCain someone you can have a beer with, he is also someone you can have a tour with at the distribution plant which his wife owns.

Posted by: pb&j | September 8, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Jannet,

You will instead have to lose sleep because the religious right will be in charge, the economy will continue to tank, incompetence will continue to rule, and your civil rights will be declared unconstitutional. Sweet dreams!

Posted by: Toldyouso | September 8, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

THE PALIN SELECTION AND THE DIMINUTION OF DEMOCRACY:
IS A SILENT COUP HAPPENING IN THE U.S.A?

• Could the Palin Phenomenon be a symptom of a seismic power grab that is transforming our government?

• Is the Palin selection part of a larger plan to seize control of the Executive Branch and make it beholden to another set of decision-makers -- unelected, entrenched, and in charge of the forces of power and control?

• Could the federal takeover of more than half of the mortgage market via the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout signal a turn toward autocratic control of the economy by hard-right conservatives who comprise the corporate/military/security complex -- what Eisenhower in his farewell address called the "military-industrial complex"?

• Could this seizure of economic control further the interests of those who are using government policy as "social engineering" to neutralize political opposition and transform society to suit their far-right ideology?

• Could this plan dovetail with reports from a Dutch newspaper this past week that the U.S. is planning to strike Iran's nuclear facilities?

• Could the fruition of the "Help America Vote Act," which led to the widespread use of electronic voting machines, the vast majority of which leave no voter-verified paper trail, also be part of this mosaic?

• Could John McCain's vacillations on the vice president issue and his eventual acquiescence to those who recommended Palin be part of a skillful campaign to influence and oversee his decision-making?

• Are we in the midst of a silent coup that is resulting in the loss of personal freedom via the extra-legal targeting of American citizens in an unconstitutional bypass of the judicial system, a denial of due process under the law?

• And is this power grab resulting in the emasculation of both Congress and the Judiciary, rendering those institutions little more than symbolic of power, when in fact power has been quietly usurped by unelected officials of entrenched institutions of power and control?

• Is anyone -- in the media, in Congress, in think tanks, in academia -- pondering these questions?

• If not, can we afford not to be asking these questions?

http://www.theocracywatch.org
http://www.members.nowpublic.com/scrivener - "Gov't Agencies Support Domestic Terrorism"

Posted by: Thomas Paine | September 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

yup... yup.... yup... The liberals are goin kerazy! Dey cant stan dat us rednex er smart an do our own wesurch. We dont lissen to da punditz dat wonnus ta vote fer Obama. Itz like des peeple fell offtha dumb tree an hit evry branch. Wake up an do ya wesurch peeple!!

Posted by: Redneck raisin McCain | September 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain obviously was not a very good pilot in the Vietnam War...he got shot down.

Which is exactly what will happen this November.

On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming.

Hey McCain, good thing those "Gooks" saved your a$$ from dying after you got shot down. Right? You would be just bones right now.

Posted by: patriot my A$$ | September 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

There's nobody as whiney as the rich republican leadership who don't want to pay back the money they stole from those of us who produced everything they have.
They sold their souls for unearned wealth, so they better enjoy it while they can.

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting that we always want to blame the Democrats when the Republicans win elections. This one is far from over, by the way.

The fact of the matter is that the American public is as dumb as a box of rocks. As Twain said, "people get the government they deserve." Drill, baby, drill! And hand your government back to the people who keep picking your pockets.

I can't wait to hear people complain about President Palin in future years. Saying "I told you so," seems to be the only solace thinking Americans ever seem to get, while the Republicans play "Lucy" to the voter's "Charlie Brown" running to kick the football.

That being said - there a couple of months left and the public still has some time to figure this out. If I were the Democrats, I would run the nastiest, most negative ads imaginable. Something about the speed of the average simpleton American.

Posted by: Chuck | September 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

It would be classic Osama to change his mind AGAIN and drop Biden and take Hillary. That is if he pays her dept first. Heck,I wouldn't be suprised if Biden steps down. He knows a loser when he sees one! Haven't heard from the Clinton's....hum that's odd. Not even the mean peanut farmer has anything stupid to say.

Posted by: Mn nice | September 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"there are no republicans with functioning brains"???

Clearly, this brilliant observation comes from a product of the atate-run school system in a Democrat city and state. I get it now--that's why MessiahObama is so popular--there are so many (too many!) products of our state-run schools out there!

Posted by: wally | September 8, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

ESSBIRD are you seriously citing the Daily Show as documented proof of a hypocrisy?

...Did you pass grade school? You're looking to comedy central for your cues on integrity?

Posted by: essbird=fool | September 8, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

And you think this chic has a brain...how is she going to run the U.S. government?


WASILLA, Alaska — The biggest project that Sarah Palin undertook as mayor of this small town was an indoor sports complex, where locals played hockey, soccer, and basketball, especially during the long, dark Alaskan winters.

The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin’s legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla.

“It’s too bad that the city of Wasilla didn’t do their homework and secure the land before they began construction,” said Kathy Wells, a longtime activist here. “She was not your ceremonial mayor; she was in charge of running the city. So it was her job to make sure things were done correctly.”

Ms. Palin, now Alaska’s governor and Republican Sen. John McCain’s running mate, has pointed to her two terms as Wasilla’s mayor, from 1996 to 2002, as evidence that she has enough executive experience to take on the presidency, should the need arise — more than Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who touts his own background as a community organizer in Chicago.

“I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities,” Ms. Palin said Wednesday in her acceptance speech at the Republican convention.
Litigation resulting from the dispute over Ms. Palin’s sports-complex project is still in the courts, with the land’s former owner seeking hundreds of thousands of additional dollars from the city.

Palin likes to say “Good judgment can make the difference between avoiding a crisis and managing a catastrophe.”


Oh, don't worry, she's a republican, they burn money like firewood.. hey the dumb middle class will pay for it.

Kinda like...uuhhh...Freddie Mac and Fannie May....

Let's privatize the public schools, too. you go Mcshame..you traitor.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

man i glade i didn't have to apply for a job with you guys.there's one thing i have learn form politicians is steal it while you can because you never know what changes might take place before i get it again.

Posted by: frank | September 8, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Kim wrote - " Dude! We have seen all these things in the videos with our own eyes"

Yes we know you did. Was it right after you got stoned or are you congenitally like this ? Get to your meds soon. If you see the bright white light, it's not Sarah Palin !. Just watch out for the fall !

Posted by: educated | September 8, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The real reason for the bounce was that the Republican National Convention didn't mention Bush's name ONCE during the last 2 days of the convention. Go back and review the speeches--Guiliani, Palin, McCain. One thing they all have in common: you won't hear the B-word.

No "Thank God George Bush is still President" from Guiliani?

Palin sure spent a lot of time mocking Obama, his set decorations, and dog makeup, but where was all the praise for the oh-so outstanding job that George W. Bush has done after 8 years as Commander in Chief? They share so many of the same views! Yet no love for the Bushmeister?

They didn't even SHOW Bush in the 9/11 video aired on the last day. Why so ashamed of your party's sitting two-term President? Why ever would you be trying to bury the Bush Legacy?

McCain had quite a bit to say about the poor judgments that have been made over the last decade but didn't bother to remind people who had made those judgments. He reached out and preached his own message of "change". Change from what? Who's been running the show for the past 8 years? I kind of remember... It was George-something, right?

Yep. I'm sure President George W. Bush is beaming with pride after the end of that convention!

Posted by: Bounce This | September 8, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I don't think McCain is getting a bounce from the Palin pick. Rather, Obama is losing his hype. Obama's campaign is fueled mostly for enthusiasm for the change he would bring, but lately he switched to a very negative, anti-McCain tone instead of his hope and change message that is so effective. If Obama doesn't get more enthusiastic, energetic, and positive, people will lose interest in his campaign and vote for something safer. In this case, it's experience, it's a veteran, it's McCain. And especially now, McCain is trumpeting reform. More than Obama. If McCain uses the world "change" more than Obama does, Obama has a problem on his hands.

Posted by: Tim | September 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

honestly, I believe this fall obama will loose.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

According to the Gallup poll, McCain now leads by 10% among likely voters.
Get your facts straight.

Posted by: Jimmy | September 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The media completely and utterly rolled over when the McCain camp cried sexism. That stopped anyone questioning Palin's credentials or record. Instead, the media has focused on her style of eyeglasses and her family life. We aren't ever going to hear, with any detail, about her lies regarding the Bridge to Nowhere, how she left Wasilla with $22 million debt, etc. The media is treating this VP candidate like they would no man. And we, the voters, will suffer because of it. After failing us so terribly on the issues leading to the war in Iraq, the media OWES US by fully vetting Palin. We need to know EVERYTHING about her. Not how she shoots moose in the face, or how her daughter is pregnant... I don't care. Tell me about what she thinks of North Korea, China, Iran, Somalia, India, Pakistan, healthcare, immigration, college funding, etc.

Posted by: DogBitez | September 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Goodness, righties, for being up in the polls you seem awfully cranky. Get your jollies now, "my friends." Reality could set in at any time.

Posted by: squintz | September 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

«To the gentleman that said that Edward Kennedy would be dead if the country had Health care:»

Oh, just give him a beer; he'll be all right.

Posted by: Abolhassan Bani Sadr | September 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I am a displaced Democrat. (Older people understand the term.) I could not be happier to realize that Dean/Pelosi/Kennedy's toy boy is having another rough patch. Nothing personal; I just don't want his values and inexperience in the Oval Office.

Posted by: PamelaofthePoconos | September 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow, so many racist ignorant rednecks. But I have to admire their ability to turn McCain's age liability into such an asset. I'm guessing that in their heart-of-hearts the god/culture-fearing right are hoping he dies so they can get the queer-bashing dysfunctional candidate they feel they so richly deserve. Hey, theocracy seems to be going just swimmingly in the Middle East. Go ahead and vote for your American Idol, or rather the old man whose coat-tails she rode in on.

You would think after 8-years of running our country into the ground the angry right wouldn't be so short-sighted as to pick another yahoo with a thin resume and a superficial "common (wo)man" appeal. That's how we got into the mess we are in today ("I feel like Bush is the kind of guy I could have a beer with!" -Do you see a lot of presidental material at bars??).

The scariest thing about Palin is that if she were VP, we wouldn't know who is running the country. Probably through some stroke of misfortune, it would be Cheney, et. al. But then again, that's who will run the country in the event of any GOP victory.

Posted by: Terrorfied | September 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama lost the election when he chose Biden.
If he had picked Clinton, he would have made history, united the party and walked into an easy election.
Instead, he picked ultra-liberal side-kick Biden- a white, old male guy to solidify a ticket of two super liberals promising to "change" and "work across the aisle" for the first times in their careers.
This will go down as the biggest choke job in history.

Posted by: Jhnonny | September 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Folks,

Can we forget the powerful images of radical obama pastor wright's anti-american rants?

Can we forget the disgraceful anti-american rants of Michelle obama?

Can we forget the facts about Obama Rezko relationship in crime and cheating taxpayers in the name of helping poor?

Can we forget Obama's flip flops?

Can we forget about Obama calling out "Great mayor" addressing Kilpatrick a fraud mayor who put his family and friends first than city and country?

Lets get McCain into Whitehouse so that we can sleep peacefully without fear of Fundamental Islamic Terrorists.

Posted by: jannet | September 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Even Obama's supporters like Larry S. in the previous post agree that Obama is TOO WHINEY

Posted by: GeraldD | September 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

there are no republicans with functioning brains.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Remember that the national polls don't mean much compared to state polls. It's electoral votes that choose the president and Obama still leads Mccain in projected electoral votes.

Posted by: yeoman | September 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for O"reilly to gloat over the canning of Olbermann.

If your ratings were that low, you would have to work for Air America. Or the Pelosi congress. Ratings that low do not exist in the for-profit marketplace.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 8, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

As I feared months ago, the Democrats are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If the Democratic party cannot win after the last 8 years fo Republican mismanagement, they NEVER can win. Dear Senator Obama -- you MUST step it up 100 notches -- you are sounding too whiny already. And I am a big supporter of yours.

Posted by: Larry S | September 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

>> Anonymous wrote: How stupid are Americans?
Half of them are ready to vote republic again after 8 years of Bush/Cheney.
Is it because you can't read?
Is it because you can't do basic math?

In part, it's because the democrats nominated someone who couldn't qualify to run a factory. The guy is a big flop professionally who got nowhere in anything until he went into politics & has become a pop-icon politician. The only tangible or substantive works he's ever produced are 2 fictionalized autobiographies. Seriously.

It's untrue, by the way, that Obama has no executive experience. He was a chief executive for 4 years of a huge project. He's just left the big failure off his resume.

OBAMA'S 4-YEAR EXECUTIVE STINT: THE ANNENBERG PROJECT

The papers have recently been opened from Barack Obama's only executive leadership experience, helming an expensive educational reform effort in Chicago, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), a more than $100 million program that failed, big time, according to the project's own final report.

Unrepentant terrorist William Ayers (whom Obama claimed in the Philadelphia debate was merely a "neighbor") was head of the operating arm of the CAC, working with Obama on distributing scores of millions of dollars to grantees in the wards of the city. Obama was a founding chairman.

Obama doesn't claim his 4 years on this project when listing his experience. The media has ignored it for him. A timeline of Obama's career from George Washington University omits it.

The Obama & Ayers-led program flopped, squandering enormous amounts of money, public resources and the time of many public employees in the process.

(more at: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html)

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Thank God that Sen. McCain is stirring up a culture war, if indeed he is--it's about time that someone did! Do we want a culture that has evolved and adapted fairly successfully over the years, or do we want a perverse, diseased culture, designed by a few socialist mutants, and crammed down our throats?

Posted by: wally | September 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Dude! We have seen all these things in the videos with our own eyes.. you do not want to accept it because you are subduded by obama money.. shame on you.. who want;s to risk the american lives for a small amount of money from this muslim apeasing Obama.

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

To Lisa the paid disinformation punctuation artist, below:

If people posting their opinions is such a waste of time...

... why are you wasting YOURS?

Oh, I forgot; it's your job.

But who's paying you? I hope it's not us.

Posted by: Eyes2disinfo | September 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Republicans, STOP EMBARRASSING US!

Your IQ level keeps dropping every election cycle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1y9s73Nos

Posted by: huh? | September 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

To the gentleman that said that Edward Kennedy would be dead if the country had Health care:

I just came back from Canada where an ex-sister-in-law, 50 yrs old and a mother of four was treated for a brain tumor. After 6 month of chemo and radiotherapy, the cancer is gone. She was found to have metastases later and those were zapped happily by what she described as a very caring, compentent and 'fun team'. Two years later she is very healthy and grateful to be living in a country where the entire care was free...plus the supporting payments she got from the state until she could go back to work. I also found out that Canadians are indeed very proud to take care of each other, this for taxes that are actrually lower than those paid in the us if you discount the non-needed health insurance costs Americans pay.
Fewer than 2% of Americans have viewed the movie 'Sicko', a sign of intellectual degenerescence that if added to the fact that pure science started leaving for the CERN super-collider environment created in Europe after the cancelling of the Texas super-collider. I fear for the future of this country, as it's edge is fast disappearing. I dont think a creationist VP is a good omen.

Posted by: Jacques | September 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

WITH AMERICA THE WAY IT IS NOW, 18 THOUSAND GOING BANKRUPT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE...6.7 OR WHATEVER UNEMPLOYED...GAS PRICES THE WAY THEY ARE


AND REPS HAVE THE NERVE TO USE 'TAX HIKE' AS A DEFENSE????

GO OBAMA!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

*** THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMiUAcEJY98

Posted by: Bob Dull | September 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see that even after so many years Mark Twain, Chaucer, Steinbeck, and Shakespeare can still scare the $#$@$#! out of OBAMA

Here is a list of books that Barack Obama tried to have banned from the Chicago Public Library, according to the official minutes of the Library Board. When he was unsuccessful at having these books banned, he tried to have the librarian fired.

As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book burners.

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry20Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and ChristopherCollier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twai n
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen KingThe Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster
Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween
Symbols by Edna Barth

Posted by: numb nuts | September 8, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

You are right, charles, the reps call themselves xtain to hide the fact they sold their greedy souls to the devil!

I'm sorry, mother earth, that america is bent on destroying you...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

LondonDave

That's 'cause you don't have to worry about your kids' health insurance. No Tory, even someone like Maggie Thatcher would screw with UK's safety net in any serious way.
Here, all it takes is couple of corporate puppet presidents to dismantle social progress made during the previous 80 years.

Posted by: VMR | September 8, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

And educate everyone about liars like Kim !

Posted by: educated | September 8, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama and democrats voted to increase taxes for people like me who just earn $45000 a year. Drive away the democrats and their stealth candidate Obama and the biggest liar Biden out of Congress and white house.

Posted by: Martha | September 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Diane72 THERE ARE NO TAPES.

Posted by: anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:22 PM "

Yes, there is.
But it's not a "whitey" tape. It's so much worse that it is going to shake the country when it comes out.
No argument, just wait. I am going to Australia for month. It's gonna be BAD!

Posted by: RoBoTech | September 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

tibor75, You seem to be an informed guy. Can you tell us how Obama will solve all those problems?

Posted by: indi | September 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is leading among women; it's men McCain (or Palin) picked up. Since Palin has not answered a single question, the polls are completely meaningless. When she starts explaining her extreme positions on abortion, homosexuality and the environment, and we learn she is dishonest in her dealings and what she says and further that she has no idea about what is going on in the world, or in the US outside of Alaska, the bounce will become a nose dive as the poor judgment of John McCain will be more apparent than ever. If it doesn't, let's hope this country can handle another 4 years of devastation.

Posted by: Lauren | September 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Will the media run Palin's pastor's clips like they ran Rev. Wright's?
Has the religious right chosen to ignore the first four books of the New Testament and focus on a narrow contemporary interpretation of the book of Revelation?
If they choose to focus on the book of Revelation can they get around the number 666 which matches Ronald (6 letters), Wilson (6 letters), Reagan (6 letters)?
Why does the religious right object to government helping people, and love for government to bomb people?
The true nature of the republican party is anti-Christian. Get out while you can!

Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

hey dems: keep your whiny comments comin! we're loao! what a bunch of pathetic losers!

Posted by: LD | September 8, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

i like mccain. He's a maverick. But, Palin is George W. Bush. Born again, arrogant, decider, global warming denier... scarry! I already had 8 years of Bush, and now it's time for the media to cover the other political parties or independents. Give me a break. Globe is warming people. We have about 5 years to stop using fossil fuels or we are ALL GOING TO DIE.

Posted by: Palinisbush | September 8, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I was going to stay home on Election Day to punish the Republicans for running a "centrist" sell-out instead of a true conservative but now I will happily vote for McCain and hope that old age catches up with him during his first term. PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!

Posted by: Bill | September 8, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Some of Obama's stated policies are a real threat to the security of the United States. At a recent meeting of the House Armed Services Committee, it was revealed that Iran has successfully tested two components of a weapons system which only needs one additional component to be complete. It was revealed in that meeting that the United States is trying feverishly to develop a counter to that threat, but currently we are vulnerable. Obama has stated on video that he intends to cease all future development of this potential defense counter.

Read more and hear Obama in his own words at:

http://www.harvybing.com

The man is simply dangerous!

It was also revealed at that same meeting that were even one of these attacks succeed, that somewhere between 70% to 90% of the entire U.S. Population would die as a result.

Posted by: GeraldD | September 8, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The Palin book banning rumor is fiction
Check this: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/palin-banned-books.htm

Posted by: Menace | September 8, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The Chosen One's economic policy amounts to this:
Introduce lots and lots and "new" Sixtiesesque programs so that the government can be everyone's mother. But more social programs means more money for the government. Obama can't raise taxes for the average joe or it'd make him look bad, so hed raise taxes for those "evil" corporations that every true liberal despises. But when he raises taxes for businesses they have to raise prices and cut wages to stay in business. Oops! That would lead to a recession and that would definitely make B.O. look bad. So, he would then introduce price and wage controls on businesses to give those union workers the wages they want. But when all those companies can't afford to stay in corporations because of the combined tax and price/wage control burden they have to shut-down and everyone loses their job. Excellent work Chosen One! You've just managed to bring about a national depression. The less the government messes with the economy the better.

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Posted by: seriously | September 8, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

folks, we have to make sure that McCain the true american hero wins this fall. Educate the voters about his background and associations.
Educate the voters about his 20 years in racist church and association with his uncle radical pastor wright.
Educate the voters about his anti-american wife.
Educate the voters about his havard education funded by radical muslim in saudi arabia.

Educate the voters about this con's relationship with convicted criminal rezko

Educate the voters about Obama's friendship with fraud mayor Kilpatrick.

Keep the brainless democrats far away from Whitehouse.

Posted by: Kim | September 8, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too."

Arnold is European with common sense that is why he is not as greedy as the rest of the Reps.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans just raised your taxes by billions of dollars !

What is a tax increase ? How do you define a tax increase ?

I would say it is whenever the government takes money out of your pocket. They can do this in several different ways.

They can take money out of your paycheck in the form of higher payroll taxes or higher social security taxes.
They can also do it by causing a decrease in the value of the dollar so that you have less purchasing power. If your income stays the same but you can buy less with it, then you have just had a tax increase.
They can also do it by bailing out a financial institution and sticking you with the bill. That is what is happening with Fannie and Freddie. The shareholders are getting wiped out right off the bat. If you own a mutual fund in your 401K that owns Fannie or Freddie, the government just took some money out of your pocket.

Eventually the taxpayer will have to foot the bill for 5 trillion dollars worth of assets that the federal government is now going to guarantee by issuing bonds to stand behind them. Foreign governments like China that hold the Fannie and Freddie bonds are not going to lose anything. So the Republican economic policies, deregulation of the financial markets, that led to this problem will be financed with taxpayer money. This is a tax increase any way you look at it.

The Republicans claim they are against tax increases. They are only against certain kinds of tax increases. But there are very few Americans that are better off now than they were 8 years ago. They have been taxed to death by Republican economic policies.

If you are going to vote for Republicans because of social issues, then you can bet you will continue to get taken to the cleaners for another four years.
They get their base all stirred up about evolution, abortion, gun rights etc. so they can stay in office and continue to fleece taxpayers out of everything they own. Four more years of this and you will all be living in your cars, if you can still afford to own a car.

Posted by: Bruno in TX | September 8, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

If only the liberals would follow through with their threats to move out of the US. Maybe the election of McCain will expedite their emigration. Apologies to the nations who take in our trash, however.

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OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASHOLES,
EVERYONE HAS ONE AND IT STINKS!
What is the point of writing your opinion.
Your thoughts will not change anyones mind.
Don't be an idiot!
Stop wasting time!
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Posted by: lisa | September 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

SmartWhiteWomenforObama wrote:

Obama has way more experiance than palin!!!

So it is the Reps whom are the hipocrites!

There are a lot of redneck Reps on these postings. I bet the world is laughing now at all the dumb Americas going to vote for McBush!!

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Uh, if this is an example of "Smart" for "Obama" then it's no wonder Obama is going down the tubes...Hey "Smart"-did you flunk English grammar back in grade school or something? Sheesh!

Posted by: SmarterWhiteWomenNotforObama | September 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of liberal media. Three of the articles on Gmail today were bashing Conservatives. I am neither liberal or conservative, but this garbage makes me lean towards conservative. Your one sided media bashing is discouraging from my perspective. I want to read news not opinions. I have not read one negative media article on Obama. What about publishing something on the strangeness that in the day and age of marketing someone with the name similar to two of the worst men in our history gets such a high vote approval. I mean Barak Hussein Obama.. If I ran for president after wwI and WW II and I was German and my name was Pitler...people would have stoned me. It is fascinating how people so quickly forgot 911. Don't get me wrong, I am excited we as a nation can get over it and move on..just doesn't seam to be across the board. Are we really that bad that we will take anyone as long as they are not Bush. Now that I think about it..isn't that how the Hilter's of the world get into power? Concerned reader!

Posted by: Concerned | September 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Numb Nuts:

I wouldn't believe that book banning story for a second. That's a great piece of fiction you just posted. What else ya got?

Posted by: AJ | September 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

john to the american people i know the last eight years have been hard on you and yes we have neglected this country but i am getting older and my time is running out so before i depart this earth i would like to make it up to you if you elect me as president i will make sure i leave you all in my will.and i can promise you that because you see i've taken more than my share and i don't feel it's right to leave it all to cindy because she has taken her own well you know what i mean.god bless america

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What is the point of writing your opinion.
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Posted by: lisa | September 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey numbnuts, I think you have something confused here. Palin is the one accused of trying to ban books, not Obama. And since I have not heard hide nor hair of what you have posted, I will have to say that it is 100% BS. Care to site your claim?

Posted by: Xander | September 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Mark wrote : "but go ahead and twist his words to fit your preconceived agenda. "

This coming from a republican ? This has been the mantra of the Karl rove party. Did you say McCain knows more about foreign policy than the economy ? Like when he defended Palin by saying that she knows lot about foreign policy because Alaska is next to Russia (he forgot to mention Canada) !

By that logic, McCain probably thinks he is an expert too as he lives in Arizona, next to Mexico

Posted by: fido | September 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Agent Orange, WOW, you wrote long essay! Can you just name a few Obama's achievements? Please tell us why you like Obama. So we can go vote for him. Telling how bad McCain is doesn't help Obama.

I have this strange feeling. I think Obama is an honorable and a smart guy and I can see myself voting for him after 8 years. But a lot of his supporters really are ruining this campaign with mean spirited attacks that I am sure Obama does not endorse. Vicious attacks on the opponents does not help spread his good causes. It will ruin him now and damage him for the long run also. That would be unfortunate because I am sure he is a good American and the country needs him.

BTW, the those Bush haters, Bush is not running for the president. Have some head please! It will turn out to be the biggest mistake Obama camp does to try to link McCain with Bush. It is treating everyone like a fool. You don't have to like the Iraq war, but Bush has kept us safe after 911. Nobody can deny that. And also, we have both houses controlled by the Dem. To blame everything on Bush is pretty stupid.

Posted by: indi | September 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I get all of my hard hitting news from the daily show too.

Posted by: to essbird | September 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Sad to see so many people still voting Republican.... and continuing the policies of a corrupted, inept and party and president.

Simply Sad.

Posted by: Bob Dull | September 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Im not being funny, but can anyone tell me if there is one republican with a functional brain cell.

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Posted by: Marcy | September 8, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Who would believe the republicans would bring in the first true communist subversive to our government. The left should give this woman a chance.

Last year, 2007, Alaska's legislature approved a major tax increase on those windfall profits of the oil industry. The state of Alaska has received more than $10 billion this year from oil revenue.

Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before. The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. IN addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family).

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Congrads secession party just 6 months ago. 7 year membership as subversive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizrJLV30yI&feature=related

God will punish America – her pastor knows America is evil just listen

Two months before the election we are not looking into her background and subversion of the U.S. No. we are preoccupied with her instant celebrity status. Her coming interview with ABC morning talk show host rather than a real reporter who spent a career investigating politicians is the biggest joke of all.

Michelle Obama says she is proud of her country for the first time, and the media goes crazy on her disloyalty. This women and her husband are communists and secessionists, therefore the most un-American couple to be elected, and we are preoccupied with her being a preppy soccer mom.

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain has deliberately reignited the culture wars in order to keep everyone's eye off the ball (i.e. the actual issues) with his ridiculous Pat Buchanon clone VP pick.

McCain would rather divide America than lose an election. Some patriot.

Posted by: stan | September 8, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I do think, in answer to a question about rioting, that it would happen if MCBush and Facist Palin win. It has nothing to do with race or religion, it is...well, think about the French Revolution. To you southerns, that is when the poor French finally wasn't going to take it any longer. I think that will happen if the Rep. win. I have that feeling!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Watch this excellent video. Dems, enjoy that finally someone is calling the Reps on hypocrisy, and doing it with humor. Reps, if you want to discount the points made in this video, please tell us why. Caught red-handed! Giving back what the right dishes out in talk shows every day, except he's got the clips to prove it. http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086

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EVERYONE HAS ONE AND IT STINKS!
What is the point of writing your opinion.
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EVERYONE HAS ONE AND IT STINKS!
What is the point of writing your opinion.
Your thoughts will not change anyones mind.
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Stop wasting time!
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Posted by: really stupid idiots | September 8, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I am afraid about future of this country if Obama and his radical friends gets into white house. They are corrupt from top to bottom. Rezko, Auchi, Kilpatrick, pastor wright, ayers, dhorn.. endless list.

Set aside all the speaches and promises of moon. We will not get a thing from this guy other than oppression and misuse of power. Then the risk of his muslim apeasement and Fundamental Islamic terrorists attacks

Vote McCain and keep America safe and secure. He has a plan for Economy and Energy. Democrats are the bottleneck for drilling to bring down the gas prices for americans.

Posted by: Jen | September 8, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

OHHHHHH
I'M SO SMART!

LOOK WHAT I WROTE!!!!
GOD DAMNED IDIOTS!
ALL OF YOU!

OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASHOLES,
EVERYONE HAS ONE AND IT STINKS!
What is the point of writing your opinion.
Your thoughts will not change anyones mind.
Don't be an idiot!
Stop wasting time!
Your opinion means nothing!
It will not change anyones mind!
YOU HAVE NO POINT YOU STUPID DOLTS

Posted by: stupid idiots | September 8, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I know many people who are in upper middle class category (over $500K a year), and they are talking about moving out of the country. So if your Palin wins, lots of money leaves and Republicans will be richer at the expense of the poor...people go out and register people for Obama or we are finished....

Posted by: julie | September 8, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"It's nice to see that even after so many years Mark Twain, Chaucer, Steinbeck, and Shakespeare can still scare the $#$@$#! out of OBAMA

Here is a list of books that Barack Obama tried to have banned from the Chicago Public Library, according to the official minutes of the Library Board. When he was unsuccessful at having these books banned, he tried to have the librarian fired."

Dont listen to this, its a big lie

Posted by: lierlierpantsonfire | September 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Do the dems still cling to Billy Clinton? Weren't you humiliated enough when he blew his load on the blue dress?"

Whoa, there, buddy. Get too far in that, and you'll find nearly every president ever elected had a mistress. With the possible exception of FDR and Carter.

That being said, I *am* one of those voting for McCain. However, I need to clarify my previous post: I'm voting for Democrats in almost every other election I'm voting in.

And, I'd vote for Clinton again, just as I would have for Hillary, if it were still legal to have a President for three terms.

All in all, don't go too far, or your allies of the moment and election won't stay to be your allies of the future. Remember 2006.

Posted by: Myrdinn | September 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

It says something about Obama that he has to STRUGGLE to come up with reasons to justify his assertion that he is as experienced as the GOP VP candidate.

Posted by: George Hanshaw | September 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Do you think when Obama loses will we need to worry about riots? You know that no matter how McCain wins, "certain people" led by Sharpton and the likes with most certainly make wild claims of "disenfranchisement" and "voter supression". Even if McCain wins by 10 pts or more...Mark my word...the agitators will be out in force the day after. It's a shame we regular American's have to avoid the cities dues to nonsense like this.

Posted by: Travers | September 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Biff,
Can you provide a source the rest of us can check, for your list of library books Palin hoped to ban?

Posted by: Trying to confirm | September 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I am a republican for Obama because McCain is too rich to care about us.

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

With Obama-- No-
scary for one more 9-11.
scary for one more Osama.

Posted by: joytha | September 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Rampant rumor says the truth of the matter, the candidate that successfully target and murder mutual opponents wins the election in November. That this opponent has exposed corruption in both parties is the reason. Does that mean, as another sharp critic and opponent to both, should we worry about our family's physical safety too? Will our car be tampered? Bodies targeted while on the street? Etc.? Hm....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

London Dave, you don't know how lucky you have it? Can I live with you over there?

Posted by: Theresa | September 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

My fellow Americans: We have just witnessed the greatest political manuever in our history. The intelligence of our country is now evident, that we will except anything as long as it is in the right packaging. In spite of this developement, ask ourselves do we really want Hillary with Bill back in the White House? I really thought we would see a change in the direction our country is going, but now I am not so sure. Good luck my fellow Americans, we are going to need it!

Posted by: Marcy | September 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The lies coming from neo-cons is INCREDIBLE.

First of all Obama is not Muslim or a Black Supremicist .. he is Christian .. it's been confirmed time and time again. Time to stop listening to pundits people, and while you're at it, stop being afraid of black people too, it's just childish, and silly.

As for the Rev Wright issue, he is a dead issue. Obama dealt with it and put it to bed. The jury's still out on Palin .. because she's just another GOP player, except she is missing some equipment.

How can you deny a man his family roots? So his father was Kenyan and a muslim .. big deal. You act as if he sits in a room planning the demise of America. How silly can y'all be exactly?

W is a proven FAILURE and got elected for 8 YEARS. If another GOP duo gets elected, I guess we'll know just how silly y'all really are, huh?

Posted by: AJ | September 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see that even after so many years Mark Twain, Chaucer, Steinbeck, and Shakespeare can still scare the $#$@$#! out of OBAMA

Here is a list of books that Barack Obama tried to have banned from the Chicago Public Library, according to the official minutes of the Library Board. When he was unsuccessful at having these books banned, he tried to have the librarian fired.

As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book burners.

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry20Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and ChristopherCollier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twai n
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen KingThe Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster
Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween
Symbols by Edna Barth

Posted by: numb nuts | September 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin can have all the bounce her little heart desires, just dont smear me with her heavenly lipstick. I love a good bounce.

Posted by: Laughing Duck | September 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I love the way people in the US have so much passion in their politics, here in the Uk it's so dull by comparison

Posted by: London Dave | September 8, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE REPPUBLICAN MIND-SCREW MACHINE WORKS: . .

bibibank wrote: . . PEOPLE…. Please get your FACTS RIGHT. For those that said,” Palin lied on national television about putting a personal jet provided to her by the state "on e-Bay." SHE DID NOT LIED.
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How many of us have heard that Palin lied about selling the luxury jet? . . . . . Of course not, didn't think so; no body has claimed such a thing. . . . This the great mythical "THEY" that the Republicans always use to confuse people.

That fact is Palin didn't lie about the jet, and no one ever said so, except the Republicans blaming the empty air of accusing her of that.
. . . . . . Though the fact is, Palin did lie in her acceptance speech.

PALIN LIES TO AMERICA

Palin’s claim that she "told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' " is false, not only because Alaska kept the money, but because, as The Daily Howler's Bob Somerby noted, while appropriating the funds, Congress had abdicated responsibility for how they would be spent a full year before Palin was elected governor. Congress authorized funds to be spent specifically on the bridge project in August 2005. But, a year before Palin took office, in an appropriations bill in November 2005, Congress specified that Alaska could but was not required to spend those funds on the bridge; thus, as Somerby wrote, "no one had to 'tell Congress' anything about the Bridge to Nowhere, because Congress had removed itself from decision-making about the project." [ And Palin ended up keeping the earmarked money. ]

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809040019?f=h_latest

see also: . . http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080907/NEWS15/809070475

MOREOVER IN CHOOSING CHRISTIAN RADICAL SARAH PALIN, John McCain has signaled to America that he is a Republican business as usual, and no maverick, and no change agent.

Posted by: coldcomfort | September 8, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Hussein, Hussein...Obama Hussein.

Talk about whiners!!

Thank God Obama didn't have a Wiccan or Pagan past, I am sure you 'good' Xtains would have had him strung up by now!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris from Europe,

Bye.

Posted by: Brian | September 8, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

As feared, this is a nation of idiots. People who would swing their vote to because someone is "small town, pretty regular" and just more of a "normal" person...Just like people voted for Bush even a SECOND time because he was "more of a regular guy."

Good luck America, as we wade the troubled world ahead with the non-maverick Maverick and the new Cheney with lipstick.

tw

Posted by: tdub | September 8, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I apologize... He did make a good speech in 2004. No superficiality there!

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No, he made an outstanding speech in 2004, and he said something that desperately needed to be said, even though nobody else was saying it. It's also something Palin, Bush and Cheney have never been able to say and will never be able to say. Basically, that the country is torn in half over politics today (just look at the way people are talking to each other below), and we can't hope to move forward without a leader who is willing to try to unite everybody.

In 2000, McCain was a man who could do that, and I very badly wanted him to be the President that year. But for the last four years, rather than taking on his party, he has been taken over by them, and he is no longer able to reach across the aisle with any credibility. Appointing a far-right VP candidate and running a Karl Rove campaign would have disgusted the 2000 McCain.

Now, my hope is that Obama will win the election and bring moderate Republicans into his cabinet. I would love to see a circa-2000 McCain on the White House staff. The problem is, it is looking more and more like if McCain wins, he will surround himself with the same neoconservative staff and aides that have been driving the Bush Administration for 8 years.

Or who knows... maybe the man really is a Maverick, and maybe if he wins, he'll immediately jettison the far right and the Rovian politics and make a dash for the center again. I'd be happy to see that, too.

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Do the dems still cling to Billy Clinton? Weren't you humiliated enough when he blew his load on the blue dress?

Posted by: Crab | September 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I find it a little amazing that you refer to all the negative media coverage Palin has gotten. She has given one televised speech and she's toast of the nation. How did she get there? Either the media coverage means nothing or she has had plenty of positive coverage.

Posted by: SteveIowa | September 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey "Average Ohioan," a person who graduates 5th from the bottom of his class at Annapolis is still in the top 5-10% of students nation-wide; and I'd take a Naval Academy graduate any day of the week and twice on Sunday over a C-student from an Ivy League school. The develomental emphasis at Annapolis is defined as "morally, mentally, and physically" with an outlook of "ship, shipmate, self." When was the last time Obama spoke about anything other than himself, or stood up to his own misguided party? Furthermore, McCain simply said he new more about national security than economics, NOT that he didn't know anything about economics--but go ahead and twist his words to fit your preconceived agenda. What again does Obama know about economics, What are his great economic qualifications?? Oh that's right, he doesn't have any. He just wants to return us to the same old 1970s failed liberal economic system advocated for and managed by Carter.

Posted by: Mark | September 8, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

COULD A BIDEN-TO-CLINTON SWITCHEROO BY OBAMA
GIVE THE HOOK TO SARAH BARRACUDA?


Poster Tom, below, raises an intriguing scenario...

As more dirt comes out on Palin, more scrutiny is being applied to her Dem counterpart (no doubt egged on by the GOP attack machine)...

Browkaw started the ball rolling with some tough questions about the bankruptcy/banking issue, Biden family lobbying, etc...

Now that even supposedly rational pundits like Cillizza are fawning over "America's sweetheart," perhaps Biden should consider stepping aside to let Hillary take it from here...

Better now that to let the GOP attack machine sully Biden's good name and reputation, which has taken years to burnish after the self-inflicted damage of campaigns past.

Wouldn't a sudden Biden-to-Clinton lateral be a stunning counterplay to the "faux Hillary" right-wing blitzkreig?

Obama's got just enough South Side juice to ask Biden to take one for the team...

Heck, Biden might even find himself on the Supreme Court if he makes like a good soldier.

Posted by: Outside the Box | September 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey all you soothsayers out there, y'all are drinkin' again, and way too early in the day. This is Sept. 8th, and it's gonna be a fall of shifting dynamics all the way to the last week of October when events will seem to tilt the tide toward one of the candidates. Git your boots on, cause it's gonna be a dirty, bumpy ride.

Posted by: odanielledaniel | September 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"America is going full speed down a dead end road."

hahaha full speed...

Posted by: lol | September 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

SmartWhiteWomenForObama,

Please learn to spell. You're embarrassing all the smart white women who like Obama.
Democrats are supposed to be better educated than the 'Uglycans

Posted by: VMR | September 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Chris says: I moved to the US from Europe 10 years ago and voted in the last election for Kerry. If the republican dumbos, fanatics and loyalists join forces to defeat common sense for the third time since I'm here this year, I'm going back to Europe and taking my family's taxes, enterprise and IQ with me. And many will follow. America won't be the first great country in hostory that goes down due to bad leaders."

Chris, I also was in Germany. I would love to go back to common sense if there is none any more in America!!

Posted by: Theresa | September 8, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

My name is Barack Husein Obama and I want to be your president. I have a lot of experiences. Over 100 times I was in the Illinois State Senate to vote "present". I was a community organizer, you know, organizing the community and all. I am a man of faith, I attended the same church for over 20 years, plus I was lucky enough to never be there when my pastor was denouncing America, white people, and everything else he could think of. I'm highly independent, so much so that my Democratic party voted with me 100% of the time, that's how smart I am. I am also for change, and I proved when I changed my mind on offshore drilling, public financing, and tax increases for the middle class. I support minorities too, but don't get mad at me that I didn't put Hillary on my ticket, I mean she's like a guy anyway so what's the big deal. I also want you to know I feel your pain in the housing market; in fact, a personal friend of mine, Tony Rezko, is in jail for screwing up some housing things and stuff.

So please vote for me and don't listen to McCain. If you noticed, we aren't even acknowledging him and we are just repeating Bush-Cheney, so forget he even exists.

So please take a day on November 2nd and ask mommy and daddy to drive you to the polls so you can vote for me. After that, you can go back to living in the basement with the parents.

Posted by: Thuthteller | September 8, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

unbelievably weak commentary from the Left. We request more whining from the Lefties.

Posted by: Rho | September 8, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"HE WILL CHANGE FROM BIDEN...TO...HILLARY

JUST WATCH HIM"

That isn't going to happen - it would be political suicide if he did. The country already has doubts about his ability to lead and make good decisions due to his lack of any real experience, and waffling on his choice of a VP running mate would simply confirm to the American people that he doesn't know what he's doing and is desparate to do anything to win, which in effect would backfire in his face.

Obama has to make the best of the poor decision he made when he chose Biden - a Washington insider with no record of reform or reaching across the aisle in the effort to bring about positive change.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama is risky and has been hanging with losers for many years. The more we know, the more we say no - to Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Della | September 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

«Finally, our schools will teach Creation and replace the heresy that is evolution. Democrats may be descended from Apes, but the rest of us are from God's image.»

Man descended from apes. You just got left behind with your nonsensical imaginary baloney about some mythical "supreme being" garbage.

Posted by: The Rodentman | September 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see that even after so many years Mark Twain, Chaucer, Steinbeck, and Shakespeare can still scare the $#$@$#! out of "Mavericks".

Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have banned from the Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes of the Library Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books banned, she tried to have the librarian fired.

As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book burners.

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry20Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and ChristopherCollier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twai n
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
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Posted by: Biff | September 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

To:

" Obama has way more experiance than palin!!!

So it is the Reps whom are the hipocrites! "


Are you an idiot...he is running against John McCain...

what is wrong you libs....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Why don't I *EVER* see a Republican making *ANY* point worth noting?

Posted by: Mike | September 8, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

uhhh Bush isn't 'on the ticket', because you can't run 3 times in a row..thank god!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing the Dems tout Health Care as an issue. I think each individual should be responsible for their own healthcare.
Where is it written we have the right to Healthcare? It is a manufactured issue. If we had national health care Ted Kennedy would have died from brain cancer by now, but since health care is private he was able to out and buy the treatment that prolonged his life.

Posted by: Brian_in_Austin | September 8, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I moved to the US from Europe 10 years ago and voted in the last election for Kerry. If the republican dumbos, fanatics and loyalists join forces to defeat common sense for the third time since I'm here this year, I'm going back to Europe and taking my family's taxes, enterprise and IQ with me. And many will follow. America won't be the first great country in hostory that goes down due to bad leaders.

Posted by: Chris | September 8, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to mention Obama's Detroit friend Kilpatrick-he is going to jail too.Nice company-Rezko ,Obama ,Kilpatrick...and many many more.

Posted by: Mike | September 8, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

When Republicans try to act like Democrats, they lose.
When Democrats try to act like Republicans, they lose.
American voters know the real thing when they see it and vote for real Democrats and real Republicans. The reason why McCain was trailing before the RNC was because he was acting too middle of the road, too mainstream. He has now activated the Republican base by moving "conservative" with his Palin pick. Obama is trailing post RNC because he has strayed too far from his progressive base, the base that wants "change." Obama needs to move left and propose a national health care system, end the Iraq occupation now, close GITMO, restore our Constitution. He needs to be more forcefully convincing in a populist, progressive way. American voters will vote for a genuine conservative over a wishy-washy liberal every time. The only way for Obama now to win is to reject the Clinton-DLC advice of Rep;ublican-lite and put on the Liberal (capital L, proud to be) label. Then we will have a real contest. Otherwise it will be a replay of 2000 and 2004 when in case of a virtual tie, the voting machines will decide - and 80% are owned and controlled by Republican operative - in other words, another stolen election and a third term of disasters signaling the end of American democracy, power, and financial viability.

Posted by: lorax2 | September 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"Bill Clinton was also inexperienced, and he led us to the greatest economic expansion in my lifetime and left office with a huge budget surplus."

Bill Clinton is a great guy, and did lots of great things, but this is not one of them. Does anyone remember 1994 - the republicans took over congress and forced balanced budgets, tax cuts and lots of other economic stimulus on the Clinton administration, against his continued objections. Congress led us to economic recovery. There were other people besides Bill Clinton in the US government during the years 1992-2000. Give credit where it is really due.

It is amazing how quickly people forget (or don't care to actually look something up), and how easily history is re-written. Stay vigilant people, don't let your party bias give you factual amnesia.

Posted by: scooter | September 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cilizza says "Palin's stellar address".
Stellar, as compared to what, 8 years of George Bush's moronic utterings?

Have you been told to say this? Just to keep things mixed up and interesting on the W.P. blogs?


Posted by: VMR | September 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I think the Post should screen online comments.

Posted by: natamo | September 8, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama has way more experiance than palin!!!

So it is the Reps whom are the hipocrites!

There are a lot of redneck Reps on these postings. I bet the world is laughing now at all the dumb Americas going to vote for McBush!!

Posted by: SmartWhiteWomenforObama | September 8, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Mr. or Mrs. Reason, Palin is the future....

Secession, free money via corporate American and legal pot....yea!!!

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Check out the great picture of Governor Palin campaigning for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it at

http://www.dailykos.com/

The T-shirt has got such a "mavericky" look to it, doesn't it?

Posted by: turkeyfish | September 8, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"No one likes Bush II, yet they are too bigoted to vote for a man half black. Thanks a lot for ruining America even more, Republicans, thanks a lot."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:35 PM

The above post illustrates the density of Obama followers. When the polls don't favor Obama, call everyone a racist. Anyone who took a moment to listen to a few of the Jermiah Wright tirades should know better than to throw the race card around. Another thing - for Democrats have been running against Bush for eight years - Bush isn't on the ticket. There's your sign!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA STANDS FOR CHANGE

HE WILL CHANGE FROM BIDEN...TO...HILLARY

JUST WATCH HIM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Its all Hillary's fault.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Vote for Obama so he can afford to buy more crack cocaine from me.

Posted by: M. Barry | September 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I find it funny that the liberals accuse Sarah Palin of the same things like inexperience and "Great Tele-prompter Speeches" that makes up Barack Obama to the letter. Hypocracy will know no bounds! The funny thing is that Palin STILL has more experience than Obama! Liberals need to get their heads out of the clouds and come back to reality!

Posted by: Jimmy | September 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

To McCain=Bush's third term:
I'd much rather vote for someone who may have once sympathized for secessation from the US than for someone (OBAMA)who has KNOWN TIES to people like:
* William Ayers – who bombed the Pentagon, Capital building and a NY police station in the 70's, admitted doing so, and says in his book that he wished he had done more!!(And no, he wasn't just his neighbor...their interactions are well documented.)
Or,
* Obama's former pastor and MENTOR for 20 YEARS - - Rev. Wright - -who preached hatred for America, white people, and says America caused 9/11 and AIDs.
* Black Liberation Theology (black supremacy)
* corrupt politicians, and Anti-American Organizations, including Obama's friend Rezko.

Now I ask you, who has the more dangerous connections, where the ideas and attitudes from those connections can dangerously affect each of us? Palin with claims of her past short lived secessation-sympathizing, or Obama with his long-term connections to terrorist-like, bigoted, anti- American individuals? I think it's obvious.
Besides, why did he stay for more than one or two years with Wright? You try listening to hatred-filled speeches for 20 years without being affected in your thought patterns.

Posted by: fedup | September 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin do get it and that is why they will win. Obama is an Ivy League School Elitist. Another glaring example of Senator Obama’s ineptitude is while campaigning in Duryea, PA on September 5, 2008 (Video available on CSPAN) he spoke about fire departments. In particular he stated that he was surprised to find out from Senator Casey on his way to Duryea that outside of the major population centers in PA most of the fire departments in the Commonwealth were “Volunteer”. In addition he stated that as President he would work with Homeland Security to ensure that volunteer fire departments would get the equipment they need and that there was a program in place to allow these departments to purchase equipment.

What is troubling about his statements are the complete fundamental lack of understanding of how the rest of world is outside of Chicago and Washington, DC. He should have known the following the information.

• According to the US Fire Administration 87% of Fire Departments are volunteer or mostly volunteer and only 13% are career or mostly career.
• DHS through the US Fire Administration operates the Assistance to Firefighters Grant (AFG) program which since 2004 has given $2.2 Billion in money to Fire Departments to purchase equipment.

The point of this all is that Senator Obama likes to repeatedly state how Senator McCain is out of touch yet he is not even aware of a significant budget line item like the AFG and the fact “Volunteer” fire departments comprise the super majority of departments in the US. Most members of Congress are extremely aware of AFG because it allows them to put out press releases about the new fire truck that XYZ Fire Department received based upon their support of DHS and the AFG program.

All Senator McCain and Gov. Palin need to do is keeping pointing items like this out.

We need a President not an American Idol scripted Chicago machine politician.

Vote McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Mr. J | September 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Probably more of an Obama fall than a McCain bounce.

Obama's popularity shot up like a rocket, peaked, then has been slowly drifting down like a capsule on a parachute as the Republicans continue to shoot holes in the canopy, letting the hot air out.

Posted by: Alan | September 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

More than half the commentators seem to be in a panic mode.
U.S.of A has a great system for choosing its leader & that person will have awesome powers over world politics.
Today when Russia is flexing its muscles, the world needs someone who sees through them & others like them to call their bluff. The Europeans are too appeasing.
May the best man win!

Posted by: El Jaya | September 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Palin is just Cheney with a skirt and a smile -- but better aim when she's packing heat.

Posted by: eomcmars | September 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Keith Olbermann:

the WORST - PUNDIT - IN - THE - WORLD !!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Jhonny,

Americans ARE stupid enough to have voted for Bush twice. The whole world is still shaking their collective head.

Posted by: VMR | September 8, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The black man willnot be a president untill whites become minoritesin 10 years

Posted by: JOJO | September 8, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I see the bounce as being due to the fact that Sarah Palin called Obama and Biden on the carpet with some pretty hard questions and statements during her speech - all of which went unanswered. The problem is, the lack of response confirmed to the American people that what she said was absolutely true. Without a reasonable rebuttal, those one-lined zingers that Palin so skillfully delivered just hang out there as the truth that they are.

Posted by: Muad'dib | September 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

So what your saying is Americans are stupid? How is this news? Ive always known my countrymen were morons, this just confirms it. After 8 years of disastrous republican rule the obvious thing to do is give them 4 more right? Jesus christ.. America is going full speed down a dead end road.

Posted by: Extra Extra!! | September 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I find it so amazing how quickly people of the REPUBLICAN PARTY said she was qualified to be Vice President and President of United States should something happen to John McCain without knowing much about her political views or her intellectualness. What is does say to me is, it doesnt matter, she is a Republican and that is good enough for me now. If Sarah Palin was Obama's pick for VP, the same Republicans who support her as McCain's VP pick would say she isnt qualified to be VP. So my question is, if Obama had chosen Sarah Palin, would you have bounced over to the Democrated side, would you? Here is how I see it, when sensibility returns to those who actually take politics seriously and consider what is good for the country, and are not blinded by party loyallty, there is no doubt the question will come to mind. WHO IS SARAH PALIN, and what was I thinking in that HEATED MOMENT of Palin's lipstick smeared across my cheeks...

Posted by: Laughing Duck | September 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

To McCain=Bush's third term:
I'd much rather vote for someone who may have once sympathized for secessation from the US than for someone (OBAMA)who has KNOWN TIES to people like:
* William Ayers – who bombed the Pentagon, Capital building and a NY police station in the 70's, admitted doing so, and says in his book that he wished he had done more!!(And no, he wasn't just his neighbor...their interactions are well documented.)
Or,
* Obama's former pastor and MENTOR for 20 YEARS - - Rev. Wright - -who preached hatred for America, white people, and says America caused 9/11 and AIDs.
* Black Liberation Theology (black supremacy)
* corrupt politicians, and Anti-American Organizations, including Obama's friend Rezko.

Now I ask you, who has the more dangerous connections, where the ideas and attitudes from those connections can dangerously affect each of us? Palin with claims of her past short lived secessation-sympathizing, or Obama with his long-term connections to terrorist-like, bigoted, anti- American individuals? I think it's obvious.
Besides, why did he stay for more than one or two years with Wright? You try listening to hatred-filled speeches for 20 years without being affected in your thought patterns.

Posted by: fedup | September 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

During the Republican convention during Rudy's speech the teleprompters malfunctioned. They kept scrolling during applause lines. This is why he left out segments of his speech...he would just resume his talk further down the teleprompter. During the Palin speech, the same malfunction was occuring but she proceeded unfased, referring occasionally to her hard copy on the podium.

So before you paint her out to be a mindless teleprompter reader, you might want to consider the facts.

Posted by: A quick note | September 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I've given a lot of speeches over the years.
I think it's easy to give a partisan speech to a partisan audience,
especially when you have a loud microphone and stand close to it. It's easy to get partisans to cheer. Basically that's just cheer-leader work. However it is much more difficult to give a reasonable speech to reasonable people, to persuade them of something they don't already agree with, to make a good impression even on the people who aren't persuaded. If we sent a cheer-leader out to negotiate with semi-unfriendly independent leaders in the middle-East or far-East or in Africa .... what would be the result??

Posted by: Richaado/California | September 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

c'mon you freekin liberals. you can do better than this excrement! tell us how you really feel!

Posted by: Scar | September 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Get use to it...yes, Americans are real stupid. That is why I promote secession, as does Mrs. Palin.

The Republic of California...yes! At last.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

To glen: do you realize how ironic your comment is?

Posted by: msreason | September 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama going to jail anyway..REZKO

Posted by: mike | September 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked we don't live in a theocracy. I'm pretty sure that Palin still thinks we do and so do a lot of you that have posted on here. If you want to teach creationism in schools and outlaw abortions, pick up Islam and move to Saudi Arabia. Theocracies never work so why try one here?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The Dem congress is awesome, it is Bush who vetos anything that HELPS the common people!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

to:

How stupid are Americans?
Half of them are ready to vote republic again after 8 years of Bush/Cheney.

ummm.....check the polls , about 10% more than 1/2....1/2 is only 50%......now who is stupid !

geez

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Bye bye Hussien Obama!!!!!

U- S - A !!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

As a proud American and Republican woman, my concern is about VP candidate Gov. Palin's patriotism, her understanding of our constitution and knowledge of our history. Here are the signals that I'm struggling with:

1. Mocking Community Organizers is disrespectful of Americans, past and present: if it weren't for community organizers with names such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Gov. Palin would not have had the opportunity to stand at that podium last week. If not for MLK, Sen. Obama would not have been there the prior week. And if not for Paul Revere, none of us would be celebrating the freedoms found only in America.
2. Book Banning: Isn't this against the First Amendment? Might we learn the truth about whether or not Gov. Palin attempted to have books banned from her Public Library?
3. Separation of Church and State: No matter one's beliefs on Creationism, isn't it a religious-based belief promoted by churches? Doesn't this also go against the constitution?

Gov. Palin did a great job salvaging Sen. McCain's campaign, but we still need facts and understanding of her patriotism. These are serious concerns that go way beyond whether or not one wears a flag pin on their lapel.

Posted by: Audrey | September 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

See how easy it is? I can rant talking points too:

Democrats are betting the farm that Americans, in general, are stupid.

They think we're stupid enough to forget that they had a major hand in getting us into this mess and that they would be any better then Republicans to fix it!

They think we're stupid enough to believe Obama would NOT raise taxes. He is going to pay with everything he wants to do with magical Fairy Dust and Hope.

They think we're stupid enough to believe that the "surge" in Iraq was a bad idea and that we will forget most of them voted for the war in Iraq in the first place!

They think we're stupid enough to believe in a Presidential candidate who is an egomaniac with a pretty smile and with zero experience!

They think we're stupid enough to believe that separation of church and state means that people should not have any opinion about God- unless you are a non-christian! (then its ok)

They think we're stupid enough to fall for the same lying liberal B.S. that gave us the do-nothing congress we are stuck with now.

They think we're stupid enough to believe that if the "Obama/Biden" ticket says the word "change" then that must mean they will offer real CHANGE, when the TRUTH is that the two of them have NEVER worked across the aisle and have been completely partisan their entire careers. Two of the MOST LIBERAL democrats in office!

So, America, this election comes down to one simple question: Are you STUPID or not?

Posted by: Jhonny | September 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Unemployment rate before democrat control of congress in 2006 was 4.4%

Umemployment rate today, after 2 years of Harry and Nancy? 6.1%

We can't take a risk with any more democrats."

Absolutely stunning. You know, maybe we don't need change in America. Maybe we're all getting exactly what we deserve.

Posted by: Tim B | September 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has to buy a clue; you can't continue a costly war if they're going to trounce the economy. Our spending for the war is in the TRILLIONS, with a 'T'.

They say now they're going to find alternative energy sources .. well the Democrats offered that idea up first, so they need to find some other material to steal,not just songs from bands. And another thing: at least Biden or Obama aren't under federal investigation.

Palin is the biggest farce sold to the American people since the hanging chad! I'm not voting for a party that stole an election, appointed fools to powerful offices in the country, outed our own CIA operatives and left them for dead, and dreamed up otherwise half-baked ideas to
get involved in a costly war.

McCain is just another Red war monger who
wants to crush the middle class.

God bless Obama, God bless America!

Posted by: AJ | September 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Where was the bounce after the dems convention? It seems that Obama mania has finally wore off and the American public has a giant hang over from the over exposure of the great messiah from Kenya...oh I mean Chicago. Sorry, I forgot. He's not a Muslim either although his grandfather, father, and stepfather were and his name, middle name, and last names are all Islamic. Give me a break.

Posted by: Travers | September 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Karen G. - No thanks, angry lady, I'll just continue organizing, registering, and convincing voters on the ground. In my little ol' swing state. You are welcome to keep leaving hypocritical messages about "lefty hate" on these blogs, though. I'm sure that will do just as much good!

Posted by: squintz | September 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face."

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 8, 2008 3:24 PM


Dianne72, put the mirror down and concentrate on your typing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse


The democrats do not control congress, they are Bushes biatch... Bush has vetoed over 30% of all bills they have tried to pass...

"Unemployment rate before democrat control of congress in 2006 was 4.4%

Umemployment rate today, after 2 years of Harry and Nancy? 6.1%

Raising the minimum wage had no effect whatsoever, did it? I am a Liberal and know nothing about economics. It is our creed."

Posted by: Jeff | September 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

That is right! Nothing more than a bounce which will result in McCaine/Palin coming down to earth again with a smack!

Posted by: Ernesto Torres | September 8, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if American women will care that Sarah Palin would force them to carry their rapists' babies.

Think about it — even if her husband had impregnated Bristol, Sarah Palin would still have her daughter deliver the baby, declaring it a "gift from God."

Posted by: McBain | September 8, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

No one likes Bush II, yet they are too bigoted to vote for a man half black. Thanks a lot for ruining America even more, Republicans, thanks a lot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The media once again has tried to shape the election, this time in favor of Obamayourmama. They haven't realized that while they do indeed shape public opinion, it's usually in the opposite direction they intend.

Posted by: Truthteller | September 8, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Who would believe the republicans would bring in the first true communist subversive to our government. The left should give this woman a chance.

Last year, 2007, Alaska's legislature approved a major tax increase on those windfall profits of the oil industry. The state of Alaska has received more than $10 billion this year from oil revenue.

Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before. The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. IN addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family).

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Congrads secession party just 6 months ago. 7 year membership as subversive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizrJLV30yI&feature=related

God will punish America – her pastor knows America is evil just listen

Two months before the election we are not looking into her background and subversion of the U.S. No. we are preoccupied with her instant celebrity status. Her coming interview with ABC morning talk show host rather than a real reporter who spent a career investigating politicians is the biggest joke of all.

Michelle Obama says she is proud of her country for the first time, and the media goes crazy on her disloyalty. This women and her husband are communists and secessionists, therefore the most un-American couple to be elected, and we are preoccupied with her being a preppy soccer mom.

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.

Posted by: basementfrog | September 8, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Some of the words that are used here are taken from the racist Alabama Governor George C. Wallace's July 4,1964 speech:

"However, we will not be intimidated by the vultures of the liberal left-wing press. We will not be deceived by their lies and distortions of truth. We will not be swayed by their brutal attacks upon the character and reputation of any honest citizen who dares stand up and fight for liberty. "

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

How stupid are Americans?
Half of them are ready to vote republic again after 8 years of Bush/Cheney.

Is it because you can't read?
Is it because you can't do basic math?
Or is it because your Faith in the republicans is so strong it can overcome observed reality?

Please, just try not to kill so many people as you self-destruct.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The Democrat Congress has to go. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are antithesis of good. They are dragging us all down with them. Vote Republican!!!

Posted by: Jimmy Chiles | September 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain charged $500K on American Express last month while her kids charged $50K and McCain's had $250K on it.
That means the McCain's could buy 4 average American homes on their credit cards and pay them off by month's end.


Yeah, McCain and Bush feel your economic pain, America.....NOT!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
.

Posted by: Kimi Welsh | September 8, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Unemployment rate before democrat control of congress in 2006 was 4.4%

Umemployment rate today, after 2 years of Harry and Nancy? 6.1%

Raising the minimum wage had no effect whatsoever, did it? I am a Liberal and know nothing about economics. It is our creed.

Posted by: help me | September 8, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

It just proves that 50% of Americans are unconscious, blind, and stupid. After 8 years of Bush, a bankrupt economy, record deficits and national debt that our children won't even be able to repay...half of the country is still stupid enough to buy into Republican propaganda. This is because of the narcissism of America, who's citizens do not look beneath the surface...to their own peril. There is no substance to the McCain/Palin ticket. McCain does not even mention the economy. This is a scary development. Yet...if McEmpty and Barracuda take the White House...I say...let them. Let the Republicans inherit and take over the mess they themselves created with Bush. No president, regardless of talent is going to be able to fix the deep mess this country is in. America is the new Roman Empire and about to take a huge fall.

Posted by: Robert | September 8, 2008 2:56 PM

-------
Robert:
People still vote Republican because they know that if they vote Democrat, they would be supporting you.

Posted by: CRUZBUSTAMANTE | September 8, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

6 words for you:

Obama and his zealot supporters are elitists

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:05 PM
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Damn, can you people not count? That's 7! Try again.

Posted by: Darb | September 8, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

abamas youth and intellect biden experience=powerful very powerful now if you were a repub wouldn't you be scared.obama is going to take back what they have been stealing all these years and they are trying everything they can to keep this from happening.i wish him all the luck in the world.and also it may not matter but the rest of the world would like to see the same.who in the hell is going to sit down and talk to john mccain.if john wins al qaeda will part the gates of hell on america believe me they are watching these elections also.they are going to test the maverick.if obama wins it is very likely this will happen

Posted by: frank | September 8, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Susan Eisenhower: Barack is the best choice (CNN Interview)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Kmsv8-Jzk&feature=related

When Dwight Eisenhower's granddaughter Susan said "Yes we can!" over 84,000 supporters at the Democrat Convention cheered her on and yelled "Yes we can!"

My Favorite Eisenhower Story From Wikipedia. Dwight could have been a Professional Football player?

At West Point, Eisenhower made the football team. He started as a varsity running back and linebacker in 1912. In a bit of a fabled match-up, he even tackled the legendary Jim Thorpe in a 1912 game.

Ike Eisenhower and Harry Truman Fans supporting Change We can believe in!

Obamacans for Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Republican Football Fan | September 8, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse


Angry liberals are great. You don't even have to fight them, they self destruct.

But even by their standards the amount of vile they have been slinging lately is of epic proportions. Deep inside they know they have lost this election and the pain is beyond their abililty to take.

Hurricane Gustav was the death knell of the extreme left in america. Hurricane Palin is the future.

Posted by: reason | September 8, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Don't vote in the sleeper cell!

Posted by: MN nice | September 8, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Headline: Political Trash Removed From MSNBC"

LOL.

On Chris Matthews' Hardball show after Barack Obama's nomination speech in the $6 million temple last week, they declared that Barack Obama showed that night that he really was "ready to lead".

How did they arrive at this conclusion? "Because he looked presidential out on that stage".

It's not just that they were in the tank, it's that they were so obviously & irrationally infatuated. Their coverage wasn't even intelligent anymore, on any level. Only good to tune in to get a laugh at old white men with man-crushes on Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 8, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Headlines Folks: Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews Muzzled by MSNBC and Join Ranks of Other Ousted TV Anchors

CAN YOU BELIEVE IT....PALIN HAS REFORMED MSNBC ALREADY....Those two will be gunning for her now...also

OBAMA WILL REPLACE BIDEN WITH HILLARY BEFORE THIS RACE IS OVER

Posted by: tom | September 8, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Governess Terminator can use Cindy's plane to slaughter Alaskan endangered wolves from the air with her machine gun.

Posted by: slavin | September 8, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree with several of the comments. National political operatives are banking on the stupidity of many voters. How else could they sell a man with hardly any state political experience and virtually no national political experience (except campaigning) as Presidential candidate material? Oh, I apologize... He did make a good speech in 2004. No superficiality there!

Posted by: colorado101 | September 8, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"and Palin's stellar address "

It seemed shallow and trivial to me. It lacked substance. Her 'wholsesome' persona struck me as a person with a limited world view. Her 'attack' on Obama was nothing more than some cheap shots about his character. The biggest moment ... a old childish plage about pit bulls, hockey moms and lip-stick. I suppose one shouldn't expect much more from a small minded politician like Palin.

But if that is what rises to stellar in this writers view ... I wonder just how pathetic and trite a speach would have to be for you to see the transparancy.

Posted by: Blixa | September 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Let's see now. McCain graduated 894 out of 899 in his class and says he doesn't understand the economy. That means he will most likely take his advice from the same people running the Bush administation.

On the other hand, Obama is exceptionally bright and will be advised by some of the most admired and knowledgable people in business including the likes of Warren Buffett.

Bill Clinton was also inexperienced, and he led us to the greatest economic expansion in my lifetime and left office with a huge budget surplus.

So McCain leads in the race. The conclusion? There are a lot of stupid people in America.

Posted by: Average Ohioan | September 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Amen Truthteller! You are right on point as always!

Posted by: Jeremy in PA | September 8, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

David, you are incorrect, the taxpayers do not "own" Freddie and Fannie, nor did the taxpayers "buy" the two companies. Rather federal regulators seized control of the two companies as a means to a bail out.

The federal government seizure is essentially a bankruptcy. The two businesses are placed under the conservatorship of the federal government. The feds will reorganize management (fire all the executives and Board of Directors and hire replacements) and absolve the companies' debt. The assets will be assessed and the books will be audited. Subsequently, the feds will force a reduction in their portfolios (sell off all marginal and high risk loans) and set more stringent standards for future mortgage purchases and capital reserves. Finally, the taxpayers will pay billions to cover the losses the companies incurred in buying really bad loans. It will be the largest bail out in American government history.

After the government bails out the companies, the government regulators release control of the companies' to the new management. The companies will issue new stock, and go on business as usual

The taxpayers do not become equity shareholders. Future equity/profit does not belong to taxpayers. In fact, millions of Americans pay twofold: 1) they pay the cost of the multi-billion dollar bailout; 2)those invested in stocks, mutual funds, and other financial instruments tied to Freddie and Fannie lost their investments when federal regulators seized the companies. The moment the feds sized the companies, they wiped out shareholder equity--the stock became worthless.

Posted by: socalgal | September 8, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Some morons here are actually claiming that Barky has as much experience as Sarah Palin. First of all Sarah has executive experience. Second unlike Barky she didn't have the luxury of voting present on everything and basically doing nothing. Third she did not spend most of her time after getting elected running for even higher office. That itself should be enough to expose this fraud and send him home. But no the media has to protect him at all cost because he is the chosen one and god has blessed everyone by giving us barky!

Posted by: cspolj | September 8, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Why the "?" in the article?

Posted by: Phil Kosla | September 8, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

What is a tax increase ?

How do you define a tax increase ?

I would say it is whenever the government takes money out of your pocket. They can do this in several different ways. They can take money out of your paycheck in the form of higher payroll taxes or higher social security taxes. But they can also do it by causing a decrease in the value of the dollar so that you have less purchasing power. They can also do it by bailing out a financial institution and sticking you with the bill. That is what is happening with Fannie and Freddie. The shareholders are getting wiped out right off the bat. But eventually the taxpayer will have to foot the bill for 5 trillion dollars worth of assets that the federal government is now going to guarantee by issuing bonds to stand behind them. Foreign governments like China that hold the Fannie and Freddie bonds are not going to lose anything. So the Republican economic policies, deregulation of the financial markets, that led to this problem will be financed with taxpayer money. This is a tax increase any way you look at it.

People who are so concerned with the culture wars and will vote on that basis are being fooled once again by the Republican claims that they are against tax increases. It is unbelievable how often they can be fooled in the same way time after time.

Posted by: Bruno in TX | September 8, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Tim B - please note that the Democrats do attack candidates. George Bush was villified for being "stupid" and an underachiever even though he had higher grades then Kerry did in college. And let's not forget the false report that led to Dan Rathers downfall as a credible newsman. George H. Bush was characterized by the dems as a "wimp" even though he had served his country in the military and had been shot down as a nineteen year old pilot. They even attack each other as evidenced by the Obama Clinton nomination battle. It seems that the Democrats can dish it out but that they can't take it...

Posted by: Fred | September 8, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Here's guessing that her 2 year affair with her hubby's business partner won't affect her standing with the "moral" community at all. Come on-these are the people who proudly proclaim "ditto" when being moralized to on the radio by a thrice-married admitted junkie. SURE they say, we can cram our "Morals" down your throats-even though we aren't expected to adhere to them ourselves-as long as we "seek forgiveness". Quite a racket. In the meantime, there is no desire for the best and the brightest to govern us-only for the fleeting satisfaction that someone as tragically flawed as themselves is running us into the ground.

Posted by: Biff | September 8, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

More people are paying attention and the polls are displaying a strong, positive trend for McCain/Palin. I recently replayed a few of the dozens of Jeremiah Wright hate-America tapes. Whether Obama was too out of touch to realize who his 20-year mentor was, or he is of Wright's ilk. Either way, Nobama

Posted by: Matoosa Ferrara | September 8, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Bouncing all the way up Pennsylvania avenue

Ya'll can't win on Barry's speechmaking anymore. Biden was a bold choice...not!

Go ahead and campaign against working mothers, families with disabilities, small business owners, union husbands, reformists and whistle blowers...

bwa ha ha ha ha ha

Posted by: Bouncing all the way to the white house | September 8, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Karen G: outstanding!!

Posted by: Josh | September 8, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The McCain/Palin bounce just goes to prove that America still has far, far too many bitter Americans who stubbornly cling to their guns and their religions.

Posted by: JusJokin | September 8, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

why won't anyone watch me? I towed the liberal line?

Posted by: krazy keith | September 8, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic! That's the only way to describe all of the Barack H. Obama supporters. This McCain lead was very predictable as the American public realized that BHO had no experience and has done nothing, no record of anything.

The evidence of a McCain victory showed in the Convention ratings. As I have told you all, the Obama supporters will not turn up to vote, just like they were doing "stuff" during the convention. We go thru this crap every 4 years, and all the loudmouth slackers don't go to the polls.

The comments on here would be laughable if they weren't so pathetic. It's fun, in a perverse way, to watch his candidacy and your pipe dreams die a slow, painful death.

God Bless America
God Bless John S. McCain

Posted by: Truthteller | September 8, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Unemployment rate before democrat control of congress in 2006 was 4.4%

Umemployment rate today, after 2 years of Harry and Nancy? 6.1%

We can't take a risk with any more democrats.

McCain/Palin 2008

Posted by: Karen | September 8, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a distraction. Her job is to draw fire from the "elitists'" and keep the media from focusing on the real issues (gasp!) on this election. Health care, education, environment, energy and war.

Her selection proves that John McCain wants to keep fighting the divisive culture wars that no one can win. They prevent bipartisanship and result in dysfunctional government, which is, of course what Republican ideology demands.

Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin.
No More Years!

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 8, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Finally, our schools will teach Creation and replace the heresy that is evolution. Democrats may be descended from Apes, but the rest of us are from God's image.

Posted by: GOD first | September 8, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

honestly, I'm in the area where McCain choosing Palin made me less inclined to vote Republican (I was rooting for Lieberman.)

I like McCain because he has shown the ability to compromise and leave his base to do it and I'll vote for him almost solely because of that. I just won't vote very enthusiastically...

At least he's better than Obama's claims of working across the aisle...working with Republicans on a Democrat based agenda is not what I'd call working across the aisle, more like sticking with the base's views and waiting for people on the opposing side to defect.

go moderates?

Posted by: Skeptical | September 8, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Tyler in Texas the answer to your question of how many Republicans to change the light bulb is 4. 1 to tell you what you can do with your body. 1 to tell you who you can marry. 1 to read scriptures and convince you of the creationist view of light and 1 to actually change the bulb...

Posted by: Don in Texas | September 8, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

can we get these libdems to whine some more? we can't get enough of the whining and jealousy. come on! let's hear some more of your BS!

Posted by: Ron | September 8, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a racist. Remember his racial slur back in 2000?
Read: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

Posted by: Emily | September 8, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

One has to say it was a good choice. McCain was almost invisible all summer, and that is death to a presidential candidate. Choosing Palin has put McCain back in the eye of the press, and that is what he needed to get his campaign going again.

I think McCain was smart, the anti-incumbent feelings in America are just huge right now. Needless to say Obama rode this wave to the Democratic nomination. Picking Palin, lets McCain campaign as the Maverick outsider, which is his best chance to win.

I also think McCains tough love about not being able to turn back the clock on the economy is a pretty bold move that resonates well. People don't want welfare, and they realize that American Facotories cannot compete with slave wages over sea's. No amount of protectionist legislation is going to change that. Obama is clearly on the down side of this and McCain is eagerly painting him as an old school tax and spend Democrat.

Posted by: DCDave | September 8, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

I suspect the tenor of her speech will sound a little something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj60GCBap0

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 8, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

ARE U STOOPID says: "Republicans are betting the farm that Americans, in general, are stupid."

More contempt from the urban left.

Heartlanders are arising, there's a rural revolution on the horizon. Keep screwing with them, and you'll have your city all to yourself. Square foot gardening in Central Park will take on new meaning.

Posted by: rural americans | September 8, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I love this; the poll results give me hope--at long last--that there will, indeed, be another Republican administration running the country and rather than change, Americans have woken up, smelled the coffee and opted for 4 more years of the same. Four more years of corruption, mismanagement, rabid partisanship and incompetence which will translate into further declines in the value of the US$ and home prices. Bush has made me a US$ millionaire; Bush has allowed me to acquire not one, but two Florida vacation properties for less than half what I would have paid in 2003. With McCain in the White House, the odds are that by 2012 I'll be a US$ multi-millionaire with 4 Florida vacation homes. And, if McCain doesn't live to see the end of his term, possibly they'll all beach front properties. I have to say, schadenfreude never tasted so sweet.

Seriously, though, what are you people thinking? That McCain enjoys near 50% support suggests that fully half of registered voters believe they are better off today than they were 8 years ago. If so, go John, but from all accounts and all stats, this simply does not seem to be the case. And truth to tell, Bush administration policies HAVE made me a US$ millionaire--as well millions of other Canadians and Europeans--and I do now own a Florida beach home I acquired through foreclosure at 30 cents on the dollar. At first, I felt bad, but these type of poll results do nothing to earn my sympathy, or that of the rest of the world. Not that our sympathy should matter, but to return to my previous question: what are you people thinking?

Posted by: theviewfromuphere | September 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Headlines Folks: Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews Muzzled by MSNBC and Join Ranks of Other Ousted TV Anchors

You Lib’s just don’t get it. There is no way Obama can win. None. Zero. Obama and You have a Dream. It’s only a Dream.

Facts and History prove that the majority of the population simply will not vote for such a far left liberal at a time when
the house and senate are controlled by a single party, compounded even more when they are so far left themselves.

Get used to it. You should be by now.

By the way, all you hateful libs, I beg you, please, please yell at the top of your lungs. Say what you want to say as loud as you can, to everyone you can.

Write as many blogs as you can. Be even more hateful and cruel than the things you are saying. Let it all out! This is wimp stuff and I know you can be much more odious than this.(for most of you dems, let me save you the time to look up odious. It means, hateful)

Tell everyone what you think. Say it over and over until you can’t speak another word...please!

Posted by: Karen. G. | September 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Diane72 THERE ARE NO TAPES. That is an OLD internet rumor that everyone keeps promising is going to be proven true. The supposed tapes were promised for release months ago, and guess what, they weren't. Because they do not exist. You are way behind in your baseless gossip. And you are an ignorant racist.

Posted by: anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

3 George Bushes in the white house. we're already on #2.

Posted by: Scottilla | September 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"I beg to disagree with any candidate who would say we can't drill our way out of our problem," Palin told Investor's Business Daily magazine earlier this year.

Palin, oil is not an infinite resource! LOL

Posted by: Mays | September 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Yada, yada, yada, on to November...let all the people speak. In the end, I'm betting Obama/Biden. Nough said.

Posted by: Beingsensible | September 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with being happily stinking rich and utterly detached. Nothing, that is, unless you make criticizing your political opponent as "elitist" and "out of touch" a centerpiece of your campaign. Rick Davis, speaking on behalf of his $100 million man John McCain, earlier this month offered the latest formulation of Barack Obama as an effete, aloof denizen of the upper class:

"Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand 'MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew - Black Forest Berry Honest Tea' and worry about the price of arugula."


Of course, Davis' "arugula war" is just another attempt at misdirection. After all, John McCain's $5 million threshold where "you move from middle class to rich" is just the latest episode of his enduring disconnect from the real lives of the American people.


For starters, McCain in April declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, was back with the campaign last week.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:

Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."


And so it goes. John McCain proclaims $5 million finally makes you rich. Meanwhile, ABC's Charlie Gibson thinks a $200,000 income makes you middle class. And his colleague Cokie Roberts claims Barack Obama's vacation to his home state of Hawaii was "exotic."

Posted by: agent orange | September 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

laughing at dems says: "If it's bad for the USA it's good for them"

Ah, yes, that's the Republican spirit. To them, life is a zero sum game: for us to rise, we need to push others down. It's a very sick philosophy.

Posted by: Numna | September 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is George W. Bush with lipstick.

Posted by: Janet | September 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me how no one is talking about how Palin and her husband wanted seccession from the US. she totally lies about being a proud american.

Posted by: Len | September 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin is McCain's sex toy.

If this was a normal workplace McCain would be charged with sexual harassment.
Leering (eye balling) is prima facie for a charge of sexual harassment. Watch McCain checking out Sarah’s A$$
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qUVQDmLf7s

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 8, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

turn out the lights--the party's over. dems better come up with someone better than BO next time.

Posted by: Josh | September 8, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse


Rove and Scmidt are attempting to brand our mainstream media, our favorite pundits and writers as “Piranhas!” which only means one thing The Republicans are trying to steal the fish pet Voters or the Nature Lover's Vote? Or is this a Rove, Schmit and Davis Freudian Slip – They chose Piranhas - deep down they see themselves as Piranhas?

Democrats are courting all Republicans and Independents Goldfish, Dolphin and Killer Whale fans!

Trained Goldfish Performs Amazing Tricks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQKZOaB6cY

Dolphin play bubble rings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q

Killer Whale and Trainer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpZFfzDg5nQ

Change we can believe in.

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Eagle Ch’áak’ Orca | September 8, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

I suspect the tenor of her speech will sound a little something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj60GCBap0

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 8, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Put Plain on Meet the Press where she doesn't have a written speech in front of her and watch her crumble. Hurry up and fill her head GOP. You can't hide her forever.

Posted by: JK | September 8, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Not understanding basic human behavior: this has been the Dem's Achilles heel since 1980. They forget that pretty and stupid wins over substance every time in national politics. Even after a very pretty and smart convention, Obama will have to fight for every single vote thanks to the RNC's cynical, pandering and brilliant choice for VP. Wasilla the Hun has energized more than the far right Republican base however, she's energized the opposition more.

Posted by: Artoo45 | September 8, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

He shoulda picked Clinton. End of story.
Obama's candidacy will be looked back upon as a case study in vanity and hubris.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | September 8, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris, Of course the Republicans got a bounce out of their convention, just as the Democrats did out of theirs. Sarah Palin read her prepared speech with skill and caused media pundits to marvel at how well she did, as if it were miraculous that a woman could read from a teleprompter.

Now she has commented in ridiculous fashion on the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac takeover: Palin declared that these two PRIVATE mortgage institutions were too big and consumed too many taxpayer dollars which is why they were taken over by the U.S. Government. This obvious blunder reveals how little she knows about the fundamentals of our national economics. Her ignorance is matched only by John McCain's.

At the moment Americans seems enamoured of ignorance which explains the Palin phenomenon. For the sake of our nation's future we can only hope that voters snap out of this infatuation soon. Without careful and detailed interviews in the next 60 days to uncover her policy views and her preparation for office, we will be stuck with a defective president (McCain) and an unprepared, uneducated vice president (Palin).

Our slide toward third world status will be confirmed if we elect these decidedly unworthy candidates to our highest offices. These are not mavericks, they are menaces to our future.

Posted by: dee | September 8, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are betting the farm that Americans, in general, are stupid.

They think we're stupid enough to believe that the party who got us into this mess is the party that should be trusted to fix this mess!

They think we're stupid enough to believe Obama will raise taxes, when it's a FACT that Obama will give the middle class (anyone making under 200K) 3 times the tax break compared to McCain's "plan"!

They think we're stupid enough to believe that the "surge" in Iraq was a more important decision than deciding to start the war in Iraq in the first place!

They think we're stupid enough to believe in a VP candidate with a shrill tone and pretty smile, but with zero experience and serious ethics issues!

They think we're stupid enough to believe that we should live in a theocracy where extremist views of Christianity should be forced upon the population!

They think we're stupid enough to fall for the same Karl Rove style politics that delivered us 8 years of Bush/Cheney!

They think we're stupid enough to believe that if the "John McBush/Dick Cheney in a Skirt" ticket says the word "change" all of the sudden, then that must mean they will offer real CHANGE, when the TRUTH is they are clearly offering the exact same policies of the current Bush administration!

So, America, this election comes down to one simple question: Are you STUPID or not?

Posted by: Good Post: | September 8, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, Trinity Church 2006. Michelle Shiniqua Obama is speaking from the pulpit. Her prominent nostrils are flared, brow furrowed, and a scowl across her face. With all the inner-ghetto she can muster, Michelle Shaniqua is ranting against "whitey" and how they keep "raising the bar". All the while punching the air with a fist-bump. This my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

I suspect the tenor of her speech will sound a little something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj60GCBap0

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

It's sad to see the US crumble from the great nation it once was, but you may be correct....

"Headline: Political Trash Removed From MSNBC

Keith Olbermann may be the “voice” of MSNBC, but network executives have decided to yank the talkmeister and Chris Matthews off its political anchor desks after the cable channel finished dead last in the Nielsen rankings of all news coverage during the two weeks of political conventions.

You Lib’s just don’t get it. There is no way
Obama can win. None. Zero. You have a Dream.
It’s only a Dream.

Facts and History prove that the majority of the population
simply will not vote for such a far left liberal at a time when
the house and senate are controlled by a single party, compounded
even more when they are so far left themselves.

Get used to it. You should be by now.

Just keep yelling the same old thing like you have for so
many years. It only helps Republicans win, every single time."

Posted by: Jeff2008 | September 8, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I would have voted for McCain in 2000.
I voted for Gore.
In 2004 I voted for Kerry.
In my entire life, I have voted for one Republican, one Libertarian, and the rest Democrats (been voting for fourteen years).

In this election, I had a hard time deciding between Hillary and McCain.
For the first time, I voted in a primary. Voted for Hillary.
She lost, and, while it hurts to have one's canidate lose a primary, I still have my other pick.

McCain's pick just confirms my good opinion of the man: I want a fighter for me in Washington. I'm voting for McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line on Palin is that she is lightning in a bottle for the Republicans right now, and they are afraid to take the cork off and let her out. If they can keep everybody thinking the way they did the night of Palin's speech, they have a huge asset on their hands. If they allow the perception of her to change, they could be right back where they started pre-convention, or most likely even worse off.

The truth is she has a lot of uncomplimentary baggage. She may stand up for a few issues the religious right feel strongly about, but most of what she said in her speech was only half-true at best based on her record. Her qualifications to be president is not even a question -- of course she's not qualified (any objective analysis will come to this conclusion, all politics aside). If the McCain campaign allows people to fully realize this, they will lose their lightning. It is no wonder they are controlling her so tightly and putting out the anti-media flak to cover her. These are defense mechanisms designed to keep people's focus on the media and away from inspecting her background too closely. They just need to keep this up long enough to get them into the White House.

America is being fooled right now, and the Republican campaign is aware of it and just trying to keep the charade up until November. If they can do it, it is their best chance at winning the election. If America realizes they're being manipulated before November (although I will admit that right now, they are actively trying not to realize this), there will be a backlash that McCain's campaign simply cannot absorb.

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

it seems unfair to do a direct bounce comparison by just looking at Obama's pre/post convention numbers and McCain's pre/post convention numbers. The reason is that McCain's "bounce" coincides with the inevitable decline of Obama's. How much of McCain's uptick in the polls is his convention bounce and how much of it is the decline of Obama's?

Posted by: greg | September 8, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

ARE U STOOPID: The Democrats think we're stupid enough to believe in a presidential candidate with a slick presentation, but with zero experience and serious ethics issues!

Posted by: kws | September 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is just the fuse.

"Bitter and clinging to their guns and their religon" is the bomb.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

--"We can get back that feeling of pride about being American born and bred."--

When did *you* lose that pride? And why?

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

How many Liberals does it take to change a light bulb? None. They sit around in the dark until ten bureaucrats from the government show up to change the wiring and the switch, then they sit around in the dark some more until the government relocates them to a FEMA trailer that has all new light bulbs. How many Conservatives does it take to change a light bulb? One.

Posted by: Tyler in Texas | September 8, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Thats more than two words.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

uhhh trotman says :For once, the average income, ballgame going to, hunting and fishing, family reunions, and real middle class families have a person in Palin that they can feel good about. We can get back that feeling of pride about being American born and bred."

With Reps in charge, we have no MONEY to go to the ball games or family reunions!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"Only racism and stupidity could put McCain/Palin in the White House."

No, I believe only one of those two traits would explain a vote for Obama/Biden.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Headline: Political Trash Removed From MSNBC

Keith Olbermann may be the “voice” of MSNBC, but network executives have decided to yank the talkmeister and Chris Matthews off its political anchor desks after the cable channel finished dead last in the Nielsen rankings of all news coverage during the two weeks of political conventions.

You Lib’s just don’t get it. There is no way
Obama can win. None. Zero. You have a Dream.
It’s only a Dream.

Facts and History prove that the majority of the population
simply will not vote for such a far left liberal at a time when
the house and senate are controlled by a single party, compounded
even more when they are so far left themselves.

Get used to it. You should be by now.

Just keep yelling the same old thing like you have for so
many years. It only helps Republicans win, every single time.


Posted by: Karen G. | September 8, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons that corporations move operations overseas is that out major competitors have more favorable tax policies on corporate income and capital gains taxes. Obama's plan to raise these same taxes will give US firms an even bigger disadvantage. He is also on record saying that he doesn't care if the capital gains tax increase causes less tax to be paid. To him, it's about 'fairness'. In his mind, it may be fair, but it's going to wreck havoc on our economy!

Posted by: kws | September 8, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Google: the 14 points of fascism!

Posted by: ghostcommander | September 8, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hi Sidda, start screaming, there are a lot of bigots in America. No other reason to hate Obama as much as they do....

Posted by: WhiteGal in NC | September 8, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Why did the Palin family join the ANTI-US, SECESSIONIST "ALASKA FIRST PARTY" (AKIP) ???

Why did Palin, a sitting US Governor video tape a welcoming address to the Secessionist's political campaign in THIS YEAR, 2008?

Sarah Palin speaks in tounges, spoke from her church pulpit that her plans for a gas pipeling were "God's will" and asked churchgoers to pray for it.

Sarah Palin reduced funds meant for a teen pregnancy crisis center/home for unwed teens, and insists upon abstinence only training for america even though it failed miserably in her own family.

Palin is AGAINST contraception, AGAINST green energy alternatives, WORKS FOR BIG OIL, was a member of a secessionist party that HATES the US and favors Alaska.

SARAH PALIN IS UNFIT TO BE A HEARTBEAT FROM THE PRESIDENCY!!!

Posted by: JBE | September 8, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

--"Sixty-three percent said they were very (42 percent) or somewhat (21 percent) concerned that the Arizona senator would "pursue policies that are too similar to what George W. Bush has pursued."--

but 1/3 of them would vote for McCain anyway.

Posted by: NoOneImportant | September 8, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The governor Palin has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years in office, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. And as mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million.

Posted by: Morris | September 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

For once, the average income, ballgame going to, hunting and fishing, family reunions, and real middle class families have a person in Palin that they can feel good about. We can get back that feeling of pride about being American born and bred.

Posted by: L. Trotman | September 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are betting the farm that Americans, in general, are stupid.

They think we're stupid enough to believe that the party who got us into this mess is the party that should be trusted to fix this mess!

They think we're stupid enough to believe Obama will raise taxes, when it's a FACT that Obama will give the middle class (anyone making under 200K) 3 times the tax break compared to McCain's "plan"!

They think we're stupid enough to believe that the "surge" in Iraq was a more important decision than deciding to start the war in Iraq in the first place!

They think we're stupid enough to believe in a VP candidate with a shrill tone and pretty smile, but with zero experience and serious ethics issues!

They think we're stupid enough to believe that we should live in a theocracy where extremist views of Christianity should be forced upon the population!

They think we're stupid enough to fall for the same Karl Rove style politics that delivered us 8 years of Bush/Cheney!

They think we're stupid enough to believe that if the "John McBush/Dick Cheney in a Skirt" ticket says the word "change" all of the sudden, then that must mean they will offer real CHANGE, when the TRUTH is they are clearly offering the exact same policies of the current Bush administration!

So, America, this election comes down to one simple question: Are you STUPID or not?

Posted by: ARE U STOOPID? | September 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

What's up with Secret Sarah:

[M]ore intriguing than any email correspondence contained in the four boxes was what was not released: about 1100 emails. Palin's office provided McLeod with a 78-page list (PDF) cataloging the emails it was withholding. Many of them had been written by Palin or sent to her. Palin's office claimed most of the undisclosed emails were exempt from release because they were covered by the "executive" or "deliberative process" privileges that protect communications between Palin and her aides about policy matters. But the subject lines of some of the withheld emails suggest they were not related to policy matters. Several refer to one of Palin's political foes, others to a well-known Alaskan journalist. Moreover, some of the withhold emails were CC'ed to Todd Palin, the governor's husband. Todd Palin—a.k.a. the First Dude—holds no official state position (though he has been a close and influential adviser for Governor Palin). The fact that Palin and her aides shared these emails with a citizen outside the government undercuts the claim that they must be protected under executive privilege. [Independent Alaskan government watchdog Andrée] McLeod asks, "What is Sarah Palin hiding?"

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9620_sarah_palin_secret_email.html


Indeed.

One thing she's not hiding very well is her Cheney-like penchant for secrecy and inappropriate use of "official" cover to protect e-mails she shared outside of official circles.

I mean, if you've got a good reason why a professional snowmobile racer needs to be copied on e-mails that are legitimately protected by "deliberative process" privileges, shout 'em out. Don't be shy about it.

Seriously. Just what is Todd Palin's role in the governance of Alaska, anyway? And what might we expect it to be in a McCain/Palin administration? So far, all of the stories that have emerged have been about Todd weighing in on using the levers of state power to punish his personal enemies. Surely the Palin team will want to enlighten us about all the wonderful and life-affirming things Todd has contributed along the way, no?

In the meantime, mull it over in your mind that in the US Attorneys firings, the Bush White House is claiming the same executive and deliberative process privileges even for conversations they claim the President had no part in. If you can make both that claim and the claim that conversations the executive freely shares with people outside of government, what's not subject to "executive privilege?".


What kind of "reformer maverick" is even more secretive than Dick Cheney?

Posted by: Bush + McCain = "W"orthless | September 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

WWIII WILL come with Palin around, she is hell bent on making everyone like herself, a xtain facist!!

As for Dems being 'elite' well, say hello to McCain who left his wife and kids for a 17 years younger rich woman! Slezy Rep men! All hipocrites.

Bill Clinton, John F Kennedy and Abe incoln was accused of not having enough experience or being too young (or both). Go Obama!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the applause for RualAmericans's comments here and the animosity I see in other comments for Obama. I try not to assume it is a race issue....but it looks awfully like one. The man is not a monster. He and his wife have worked hard for what they have...he has worked hard for his position today. McCain, sadly, is very much like Bush in his policies and thinking....He chose Palin to give his campaign some *umpf* and he succeeded. I can't believe all the Baptists around here yipping for Palin! Palin! No one even knows her yet! But please. Just because Obama is black does not mean he is wicked.
I am a Democrat in the Deep South Red Zone. If I hear Obama is a terrorist one more time.....I might scream!

Posted by: Sidda | September 8, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

To: JStone | September 8, 2008 2:34 PM

I’m educated, detest beer, hubby likes it though, and live in a very expensive gated community. My vote is based on which candidate is the best qualified and least likely to harm the nation. I support your right to dun anyone you want. That too is the American way. So go in peace, brother, many of my relatives and ancestors, and probably yours, are among those who’ve died in wars making it possible for all of us to voice our differences.

After much consideration, this Hillary supporter will be voting Obama/Biden.


Posted by: Kelly McDonald | September 8, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

No Kidding!

Stop writing your opinions you idiots.


Who Cares What you Have to Say!

NOBODY

Posted by: glen | September 8, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

to some good american:

You are a racist. Because McCain is white that means he can't speak to the common man? Last I checked, the majority of this country was white. That means that the common man is as well. Dumbass.

Posted by: dave | September 8, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The MSM and it's poodle journalists ned to stop this "surface journalism" and do some investigative journalism. Where is John McCain's lousy voting record against the veterans, against SCHIP, against regulation of the mortgage and security markets, against the minimum hourly wage, and other important issues? Where is Palin's record of saying no to the "bridge to nowhere" but taking the money anyway? Where did that money go? Is the new pipeline contract to Trans Canada a boondoggle? Is Palin associated with right wing extremist groups? What books did Palin want banned at the Wasilla Library? Is she a closet Fascist? Is John "bail out" McCain a Fascist?

Posted by: ghostcommander | September 8, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

THE PALIN SELECTION AND THE DIMINUTION OF DEMOCRACY:
IS A SILENT COUP HAPPENING IN THE U.S.A?

• Could the Palin Phenomenon be a symptom of a seismic power grab that is transforming our government?

• Is the Palin selection part of a larger plan to seize control of the Executive Branch and make it beholden to another set of decision-makers -- unelected, entrenched, and in charge of the forces of power and control?

• Could the federal takeover of more than half of the mortgage market via the Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac bailout signal a turn toward autocratic control of the economy by hard-right conservatives who comprise the corporate/military/security complex -- what Eisenhower in his farewell address called the "military-industrial complex"?

• Could this seizure of economic control further the interests of those who are using government policy as "social engineering" to neutralize political opposition and transform society to suit their far-right ideology?

• Could this plan dovetail with reports from a Dutch newspaper this past week that the U.S. is planning to strike Iran's nuclear facilities?

• Could the fruition of the "Help America Vote Act," which led to the widespread use of electronic voting machines, the vast majority of which leave no voter-verified paper trail, also be part of this mosaic?

• Could John McCain's vacillations on the vice president issue and his eventual acquiescence to those who recommended Palin be part of a skillful campaign to influence and oversee his decision-making?

• Are we in the midst of a silent coup that is resulting in the loss of personal freedom via the extra-legal targeting of American citizens in an unconstitutional bypass of the judicial system, a denial of due process under the law?

• And is this power grab resulting in the emasculation of both Congress and the Judiciary, rendering those institutions little more than symbolic of power, when in fact power has been quietly usurped by unelected officials of entrenched institutions of power and control?

• Is anyone -- in the media, in Congress, in think tanks, in academia -- pondering these questions?

• If not, can we afford not to be asking these questions?

http://www.theocracywatch.org
http://www.nowpublic.com/scrivener - "Gov't Agencies Support Domestic Terrorism"

Posted by: Thomas Paine | September 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

ewww......libby is in a tizzy today. my goodness, dear ladies of the DNC.

look, the truth is, the only thing the DNC is good for is moving what little wealth you have left to 3rd world countries. that is the whole point of democrats and socilism, to remove USA as the sole and Number 1 country...fools.

don't you get it. I do agree with Cindy, the media will jiggle the numbers to say whatever they think will get attention.

at the end of the day, the adults (GOP) will win, we can get rid of the rest of the Libs on the supreme court and begin the tedious tast of getting rid of the activist judges. i know the thought of personal responsibility and paying your own bills terrifies you libs, but it's the right thing to do.

and no, El Obama does not have your best interests at heart, that is why the rest of the world loves him, stupid. If it's bad for the USA it's good for them

to the former military guy. you need to not worry about the 'inter-relatedness'. Let them follow or get out of the way. Dont go the route of Obama's hero - Neville Chamberlain.

silly dems, real life is for conservatives.

Posted by: laughing at the dems | September 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Only racism and stupidity could put McCain/Palin in the White House.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

How can you people even think about putting two George Bush's in the White House? Have you learned nothing from the past 8 years?!

Go ahead and vote for McCain/Palin and enjoy your wars, depression, more oil consumption, and dirtier environment. This November, I'm doing my patriotic duty and saying "Thanks, but no thanks" to McCain/Palin's leadership to nowhere.

Posted by: Sam | September 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

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I'M SO SMART!

LOOK WHAT I WROTE!!!!
GOD DAMNED IDIOTS!
ALL OF YOU!

OPINIONS ARE LIKE ,
EVERYONE HAS ONE AND IT STINKS!
What is the point of writing your opinion.
Your thoughts will not change anyones mind.
Don't be an idiot!
Stop wasting time!
Your opinion means nothing!
It will not change anyones mind!
YOU HAVE NO POINT

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama won't allow Michelle to speak to anyone. That sounds like spousal control and domestic abuse. Michelle can talk to only those approved by Obama. That sounds like male domination. Domestic abuse!

Hillary put some cracks in the glass ceiling but Michelle has repaired the cracked ceiling.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 8, 2008 3:03 PM

Posted by: ooops, the truth | September 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

In 65 years, I have never been asked my opinion in a poll. NEVER. I don't believe them.

Surely Americans have not become stupid enough to elect these fakes, after 8 years of horror.

To get an idea of what could be in store for us, go here: http://www.alternet.org/election08/97939/weird_theology_in_wasilla%3A_a_look_inside_sarah_palin%27s_pentecostal_church/ Includes a report on Palin's church.

Posted by: Fritz | September 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

OHHHHHH
I'M SO SMART!

LOOK WHAT I WROTE!!!!
GOD DAMNED IDIOTS!
ALL OF YOU!

OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASHOLES,
EVERYONE HAS ONE AND IT STINKS!
What is the point of writing your opinion.
Your thoughts will not change anyones mind.
Don't be an idiot!
Stop wasting time!
Your opinion means nothing!
It will not change anyones mind!
YOU HAVE NO POINT YOU STUPID DOLTS

Posted by: bill | September 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to check the historical election results when the Republican goes into October with a 10 point lead?

Too bad, so sad, Nobama.

Posted by: Rufus | September 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Surprise!!! No one likes Bush, Or even cares what he thinks. But I am wondering What My Girl Sarah has been up to., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I read and hear a lot of folks talking about Palin's wonderful speech and how impressed they were.

Well, if you're easily impressed with speeches, you would probably have been impressed with Hitler and Goebbels both noted for the oratory skills and their horrible beliefs.

I'm not impressed with speeches. I listen carefully to what people say and watch what they do.

Palin's too extreme on abortion, abstinence only education, and creationism instead of science taught in schools.

She is pro-pork barrel spending and has very close ties to Sen. Ted Stevens (Alaska) who is under investigation for corruption. Palin was for the bridge to nowhere until the scandal broke and the bridge wasn't going to be built). She was so much a pork barrel spender that she hired a lobbying firm to bring in as much pork barrel spending to her small town as she could.

Palin's under investigation for troopergate -- getting a trooper fired who was divorcing her sister. She had the chief of police in Wasilla fired because she didn't like him.

Her husband, an oilman, belongs to the Alaskan Independence Party that advocates Alaska's secession from America, and she has attended and spoken at the meetings.

She doesn't think that humans have anything to do with global warming; well, she doesn't seem to believe much in science anyway.

She's made one trip out of the country a couple of years ago, and she lives next door to Canada!! I live in the southern US and have visited Canada and Mexico a number of times. I've also traveled to Europe.

McCain's bounce should be that he's bounced out of office along. Palin should probably be bounced out of office, too.

Posted by: abby0802 | September 8, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Karen from Tennessee. You are clearly a socialist democrat. Your example clearly depicts a person who should not be having a child in the first place. But since that person does have a child, against all common sense... everyone else should have to cater to them and pay for it. I don't deny that such a person would be a hardworking mother, but by no means is such a person an ICON as you called them.

You should take a good hard look at the example you want us to consider. This "hardworking mother" has no health insurance, no maternity leave and no money for rent. This person is clearly not ready to have a child! What is wrong with you? How could you use THIS as your rationale against Gov. Palin?

The truth is that you are grasping at straws because your socialist dream is going up in smoke.

Posted by: AR | September 8, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin believes the "end is near." That's not very optimistic. How can we trust our future to her if she doesn't think we have one?

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/hbc-90003486

Posted by: McBain | September 8, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Storms are brewing in Sarah Palin’s eyes

By Inside Track
Friday, September 5, 2008 -

ST. PAUL, Minn. - The McCain Campaign is denying a supermarket tabloid story alleging that vice presidental candidate Sarah Palin had an extramarital affair, and is threatening legal action against the National Enquirer.

“Its a vicious lie,” John McCain spokesman Steve Schmidt said.

The Enquirer alleges in its Sept. 15 edition that Palin had a fling with a business associate of her husband, Todd Palin. The candidate’s hubby discovered the infidelity and dissolved the business, the article said.


The Enquirer attributed the allegation to “an enemy” of the Alaska governor and many pundits postulated that the tabloid’s source was Palin’s estranged brother-in-law, Mike Wooten. Wooten, who was embroiled in an ugly custody battle with Palin’s sister, claims the governor tried to have him fired from the Alaska state police.

“The smearing of the Palin family must end,” Schmidt said in a statement released yesterday.

The Enquirer, in a web story entitled “Palin War: Teen Preggo Crisis,” claims that Palin planned to have her pregnant 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, married off to her baby daddy right after the Republican National Convention.

The plan, the paper said, was to announce Bristol’s pregnancy after the wedding. However, the tabloid says the teen refused to go along with the wedding, sparking a “mother-daughter showdown.”

The Enquirer says the Palin camp revealed the pregnancy “hours after The Enquirer informed her representatives and family members of Levi Johnston, the father of Bristol’s child, that we were aware of the pregnancy and were going to break the news.”

The story adds that “The Enquirer has also learned that Palin’s family is embroiled in a vicious war that is now exposing her darkest secrets, threatening to destroy her political career.”

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Be sure to read the Ann Kilkenny letter, about Palin - Google it.

Posted by: BGF | September 8, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

You people need to grow up! you sound like pre-school kids...you're a doodie-head, she's a poopy face!! get a life folks.

Posted by: Is anyone employed?? | September 8, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

It just proves that 50% of Americans are unconscious, blind, and stupid.
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6 words for you:

Obama and his zealot supporters are elitists

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain is not the only president since JFK with military experience. Bush Sr. had an immaculate record as a Naval aviator in WWII. Johnson, Nixon and Ford also all served in WWII.

Posted by: nick | September 8, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

TWO WORDS, WORLD WAR 3

There you go again, they said the same thing about me. turned out strength beats weakness every time. vote R.

Posted by: ron reagan | September 8, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

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Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

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Posted by: PulSamsara | September 8, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Of course this election isn't about issues. As long as Republicans intend to campaign for office in the USA, the narrative will be about character and personality. They can't run on issues because, well, they tend to make a mess of tangible things.

George Bush was a man's man, the kind of guy you wanted to have a beer with at a sports bar. Gore was the wooden pointy-headed bookworm. Kerry was the effeminate windsurfing pansy. And now Obama is the elitist media star. The GOP has no shame, and why should they when this tripe works?

How many more times will they lose before the Dems figure out that character attacks work? Just how long do we have to stand on principle and lose to people with no principles? Those of us waiting for the Democrats to grow a collective spine are getting more than a little frustrated.

Posted by: Tim B | September 8, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

let the great debates begin obama will will start by telling all america first that not once in american history can you blame a black president for the demise of this country.hellooooo

Posted by: frank | September 8, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

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GOD DAMNED IDIOTS!
ALL OF YOU!

OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASHOLES,
EVERYONE HAS ONE AND IT STINKS!

What is the point of writing your opinion?


Your thoughts will not change anyones mind!

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Posted by: burt | September 8, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain won't allow Palin to speak to anyone. That sounds like spousal control and domestic abuse. Palin can talk to only those approved by McCain. That sounds like male domination. Domestic abuse!

Hillary put some cracks in the glass ceiling but Palin has repaired the cracked ceiling.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 8, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Picasso"

You write the way you paint.

Better stick to painting; some schmuck might buy them. No one is buying your butchered "English."

Posted by: The Rodentman | September 8, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

A note to all by Anne Kilkenny

Dear friends,

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
common: their gender and their good looks. :)

You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

Thanks,
Anne

[ Note by webadmin: This was already posted on Washington Independent
comments area, with a controllable hotmail account, and was obviously
meant by the author to be read by many, and readers need sourcing.
The NY Times has talked with Anne since the letter went out. I've
now removed the email-address from this page. ]

ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby.
There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly
sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration

weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's
surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by
her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the
basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's
attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power
to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated"
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that
an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't
like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got

the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to
nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's
mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march
to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.


CLAIM VS FACT
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.

*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny +
Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local
government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because
few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out
of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no
fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The
day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the
current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Anne Kilkenny
August 31, 2008

Posted by: Marcus | September 8, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

YES-WE-CAN vs. DRILL-BABY-DRILL...

Posted by: Good vs Evil | September 8, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is just the fuse.

"Bitter and clinging to their guns and their religon" is the bomb.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Angry old man running for president for the greedy old party. Palin, go home. Take care of your family. John Mccain, time to find a nice retirement home.

Posted by: R Sampson | September 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

A bounce is a bounce is a bounce, there will be many till the election. What I'm concerned about is that while many questioned the vetting process as regards Sarah Palin, the real vetting issue shortly will be Barak Obama. There appears to be a concerted effort to get transparency on Obama's two years at Columbia and two at Occidental College. Although Obama claims to have limited his drug use(Cocaine, grass and others)to high school, Obama will not discuss use at Occidental or Columbia. The other issue was his celibacy or lack thereof, were there other women in his life, children perhaps...Obama must discuss and inform the electorate and not hide what may be unpleasant or perhaps there is reason for concern.

Posted by: starryperdun | September 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It's Bush and Cheney all over again. This time however, Bush is at the bottom of the ticket. I guess that is an improvement...

Posted by: jeff | September 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

soo sad for Libs. they have been reduced to comparing their messiah to our second string.

Is that all you got left? and by left I mean left.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The differences over taxes, the economy and medical care are profound -- and very complicated. Obama is proposing one of the greatest tax increases in world history, entirely on the wealthiest 40% of the U.S. population -- who already contribute more than 100% (yes, you read that correctly) of the U.S. government’s personal income tax revenue. He is disguising it behind a welter of largely fictitious refundable tax credits. The increased tax on people of substantial income will be paid out to people who pay small amounts of tax or none at all.
No part of this familiar process is a “tax-cut,” which is how it has been presented.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Christian values? Humbug! What a bunch of hocus-pocus imaginary mumbo-jumbo. God is a figment of man's imagination and a crutch for people who can't think for themselves. Like McSame, and Romney too.

Posted by: Abolhassan Bani Sadr | September 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Palin was a simple intelegent pick. Nobody in GOP cares about her but she does the job right.
That's why GOP picked some1 with light expirience. Every time people trying to say she does not have expirience it actualy fires back to Obama ( and he is running for president not a vp).
When clinton tried to point that Obama did not have expirience nobody cared. This time the same people can't use the same argument or they are getting shoot back that thier own choice has even less expirience. The GOP pick was a smart chess move and nothing more. I support Caine but don't support Sarah, but GOP did what it had to do. And for those who is crying about Karl Rove.. Regardless of any1 opinion the men did his job and brought Bush twice despite everything. People may not agree with his tactics but nobody cares if person wins. WInners don't get judjged.

Posted by: PicassoInActions | September 8, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse


Did you even watch? or just talking out your A$$
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Notice the "large" numbers at Obama's "ticketed" events have declined since summer vacation has ended and school started back. All this while McCain has recorded an increase from an average of 1k per "non-ticketed" event to well over 10k per "non-ticketed" event.

School aged voting is always a low number! However, school kids did fill his stadiums very well!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:58 PM

Posted by: Scary times! | September 8, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

My last comment was re: this one from BGF:

"I was in the UK a few years back and I asked what the British think of Americans... he said... they are over-weight, uninformed, easily 'spun' and generally stupid. I think that explains the polls."

Posted by: BGF | September 8, 2008 2:47 PM

Posted by: Frank La Rocca | September 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

News Flash: Independant voter thanks main street media for their bias. The overboard ugly front against newcomer Sara Paulin enticed a listening to her speech at the RNC convention. She is a needed breath of fresh air when set against the crowd now in Washington. You keep rockn em girl!

Posted by: Independant Voter | September 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

My God, if you are going to publish a comment on your political views, make sure your spelling and grammar are checked.

You look and sound like a dope otherwise.

Posted by: Will | September 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants CHANGE! (oh, and he wants your dollars too...)

Posted by: nobama | September 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL THE STUPID PEOPLE WHO WILL VOTE FOR MCSENILE, TWO WORDS, WORLD WAR 3 AND DEPRESSION.CONNIE FROM iNDIANA

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:52 PM
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That's 5 words...

Learn to count, and get your caps lock button fixed.

Posted by: Darb | September 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Senator MCCain's uses the phrases "my friends", "country first", "stand with me". They are taken from the 1963 hate speech of Alabama's Governor George C. Wallace.

"We invite the negro citizens of Alabama to work with us from his separate racial station."

"I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny . . . and I say . . . segregation today . . . segregation tomorrow . . . segregation forever.”

Gov. Wallace

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe a VP pick could change things so much. If you didn't like McCain before, I don't see how this should change things. He's still at the top of the ticket. Regardless of how great Palin may be, it doesn't change who the Presidential candidate is. And I can't believe people think Palin's thinking will influence the way McCain does things in any way whatsoever.

Posted by: jbdsm | September 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Polls? Polls don't mean anything. lol..Unless of course, Obama is ahead. lol

Posted by: Sigmond | September 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The differences over taxes, the economy and medical care are profound -- and very complicated. Obama is proposing one of the greatest tax increases in world history, entirely on the wealthiest 40% of the U.S. population -- who already contribute more than 100% (yes, you read that correctly) of the U.S. government’s personal income tax revenue. He is disguising it behind a welter of largely fictitious refundable tax credits. The increased tax on people of substantial income will be paid out to people who pay small amounts of tax or none at all.
No part of this familiar process is a “tax-cut,” which is how it has been presented.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Notice the "large" numbers at Obama's "ticketed" events have declined since summer vacation has ended and school started back. All this while McCain has recorded an increase from an average of 1k per "non-ticketed" event to well over 10k per "non-ticketed" event.

School aged voting is always a low number! However, school kids did fill his stadiums very well!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The media excludes what probably will happen if either one of these candidates get elected into office. Obama has a lot of flaws in my opinion. It is not the color of his skin or anything like that. He is part of a conspiracy being carried out by the Democrats. He is their puppet and they use racial purposes to guilt whoever into voting for him. They also make him look exciting and intelligent, but in reality he is just as dumb as President Bush when they screw on the teleprompter. Just look that up on youtube. I am not disrespecting the idea of a black president, but Obama is not the man. I sure there will probably be a black president in the U.S. in the future, but Obama is dangerous to our country because he is ambiguous. This is so because of limited experience, almost never voting on anything, and the question of whether or not he supports Islam. I usually vote for the Republican Party because they are a little bit more straightforward, but McCain is not the choice I would have made in the first place. I think he would be better at doing his job than Bush because he is probably smarter in regards in putting the right people in the cabinet. I hate to be a pessimist, but McCain and Obama would probably die after taking office because of McCain having Cancer in the past and Obama because his situation could be parallel to JFK's. So, the vice presidents is probably what we will have to vote for. Joe Biden does not seem that bright and I think Sarah Palin, eventhough she seems like a good person will probably get steamrolled in Washington or might be subject to some extremists. If these absurd scenarios happen then having Nancy Pelosi as president would scare me to death because not even little kids like her. I major in history. I think this election and its side effects will look scary.

Posted by: Jon K | September 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

YES-WE-CAN vs. DRILL-BABY-DRILL...you do the math!

Posted by: Scary times! | September 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Chris: The question Chris, is not whether Palin has re-set the narrative. She has. The question is whether the new narrative -- that change is more important than experience -- benefits Obama or McCain. When you look at who is at the top of each ticket, as opposed to who is No. 2, you would have to conclude that Obama is now fighting on his home turf. McCain is gambling that he's better playing on the road than playing at home. Some teams are!

Posted by: mypitts2 | September 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

This is a very important election year with all that is going on in our own backyard (economy) and overseas (Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Darfur, and on and on). So I think its important that we remember that what the candidates are "saying" now is important, but an advertisement of sorts. It would behoove the voting public to isten to sound bites by the media, and bloggers with some skepticism. Many things are taken out of context. For example, this morning I received an e-mail from a friend on a Vanity Fair article that accused Cindy McCain of spending about $300k on her RNC outfit. Much was made of it by the article and the bloggers as to how this was a snub against McCain/Palin attack of Obama being "elitist." However, as is often the case, there was no research to suggest whether these clothing/jewelry articles were on loan by the designer as is very often the case with high profile people. We should be discerning information not by what they are wearing, or what they are advertising, but rather based on all their actions/inactions prior to campaign and the merit and importance of these decisions. We can say the mantra "change" but in the end it is but a word or an ideal. We need to look at these individuals and hold them accountable to these ideals. From all I have seen and researched, only McCain-Palin have shown true change. They don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk even when it is unpopular to do so. They get high praise from me in that regard. Obama is a wondersul motivational speaker, and perhaps would be a great president one day, but frankly during our current state of affairs here and abroad, we can't afford his "analysis paralysis" when much of the world demands more immediate responsiveness. The stakes are too high to have him as our next president this election year. He needs more experience. Just watch this past Sundays interview on "This Week" with George Stephenapolis and you'll see what I mean about him not quite being ready to be first string quarterback right now. He needs more training otherwise he is bound to be - figuratively speaking - sacked, injured and we'll be crushed. We need someone with confidence and understanding the nuances to make real lfe hard decisions. This is NOT mock trial or moot court... This the real deal in difficult times!

Posted by: H Carey | September 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Was this also true when the polls so strongly favored Obama?

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Posted by: Frank La Rocca | September 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Rural American good comments.

Joe says: "It's hard to believe that the lower and great middle classes of our society would vote Republican and against there own economic interest."

Men's median wages are the same as 1973, women's are what men's were in 1960. See p60-233.pdf graph page 16.

Immigration keeps wages down even as output per hour has gone up substantially since 1973. Both parties are against us. Vote Chuck Baldwin who NumbersUSA rates excellent on stopping legal and illegal immigration. Joe wants us to vote based on math. History shows voting 3rd party is what changes policy. Immigration is the earmark of McCain and Obama that keeps on giving. That's why the wealthy on both sides are funding them both.


Posted by: Old Atlantic | September 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Interesting but highly applicable definition of the word Maverick"
An unbranded range animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother, traditionally considered the property of the first person who brands it.

Posted by: CenturionMk5-2 | September 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It just proves that 50% of Americans are unconscious, blind, and stupid. After 8 years of Bush, a bankrupt economy, record deficits and national debt that our children won't even be able to repay...half of the country is still stupid enough to buy into Republican propaganda. This is because of the narcissism of America, who's citizens do not look beneath the surface...to their own peril. There is no substance to the McCain/Palin ticket. McCain does not even mention the economy. This is a scary development. Yet...if McEmpty and Barracuda take the White House...I say...let them. Let the Republicans inherit and take over the mess they themselves created with Bush. No president, regardless of talent is going to be able to fix the deep mess this country is in. America is the new Roman Empire and about to take a huge fall.

Posted by: Robert | September 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain got a bounce from Sarah Palin., McCain needs to let the Media Get access to his VP candidate. Im sure once America gets to know her. We will see an even bigger bounce. McCain needs to stop, Thats lame to hide your VP candidate away from the Media. The Only Place you can find Info about Palin is on the Web, Here is some sites Ive been able to find.

Has anyone else read this story about a possible Affair Sarah Palin had? That is just one of the Scandals listed at this site. http://www.hotpres.com

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet. We should probably reverse the ticket Palin/McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The differences over taxes, the economy and medical care are profound -- and very complicated. Obama is proposing one of the greatest tax increases in world history, entirely on the wealthiest 40% of the U.S. population -- who already contribute more than 100% (yes, you read that correctly) of the U.S. government’s personal income tax revenue. He is disguising it behind a welter of largely fictitious refundable tax credits. The increased tax on people of substantial income will be paid out to people who pay small amounts of tax or none at all.
No part of this familiar process is a “tax-cut,” which is how it has been presented.


Posted by: mac for prez | September 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys here the one about the Alaska Governor who said that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were costing the taxpayers too much money? (this was before the bailout). Oh wait, it isn't that funny since neither took taxpayer money. So does that mean she has no idea how these financial institutions work?

Posted by: anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

How can you call Palin's speech 'stellar'? Have you read any of the criticism which is rampant on the internet in comment boxes and blogs that denouncing Palin? The media is now treating Palin like a primadonna superstar who is here to save the world, amidst McCain's attacks that Obama has been treated like a superstar. And yet, Palin is the
Governor of a big state with a tiny population, with politics that are so uncomplicated compared to the rest of the usa, and she is taking the highlight and eclipsing the real campaign. Get off it- you need to bring the beef to the american public, not the fluff. I for one am sick of your coverage of Palin with no real analysis of what she has done in her state and without calling her out on her exaggerations and lies that are so obvious to anyone but the blind. Please do some investigative reporting in order to benefit the American people. The Republicans are spinning EVERYTHING, including this idiotic problem with Giorgia.

Posted by: sienna Reid | September 8, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

None of the comments I've read here is likely to change my mind and I'm pretty sure that's true for most of the folks here... so it's largely a waste of time to post, unless you (a) just want to blow off a little steam (which a lot of folks seem to be doing) or (b) just want to point that out to everyone (which is what I'm doing).

What else can I say, except... cheese!

Posted by: Mark | September 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes - the same Brits who have allowed their culture to be undermined by huge numbers of unassimilated aliens. Real smart.

Posted by: compozor | September 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, great looking couple - too bad McCain doesn't have our best interests at heart.

This is a very interesting perspective on the Palin choice from an ususual and surprising religious point of view. I highly recommend checking it out:

http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

Posted by: LaRae | September 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

TO: "Yes, if Palin is anywhere near the white house... if MCBush actually won this, I will be up in Canada faster than you can say Dumb America!!"....do you need bus fare?

Posted by: to Dumb America | September 8, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Polls schmolls you can make them say whatever you want depending on who you ask and how you ask them.
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ummmm....i think they asked them who they would vote for.

i'd like to know, from a true blue obama supporter, what will you do if obama loses?

leave the country? peaceful protest? violent protest?

seriously, id like to know.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Stellar address"?

She didn't goof up. She was able to stand there and deliver her Bush speech-writer lines. I guess if you judge by applause rather than content and truth you would call it that.

Her lies are appalling. One example: Earmark queen that she is she would have us believe otherwise because the winds are blowing that way.

Posted by: B. L. Wickwire | September 8, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Tee hee hee poor jokey democrats. Repubs always set you up for the big fall. You never dissapoint and always take the bait. You'd think that repubs have some kind of weird crystal ball or something and the dems keep checking their outdated campaign history book.

To wit, here was their Obama family all spruced up and new-clear like all the Republican families look like, right? Dan Quayle even told them that 20+ years ago in (reference that lousy Candice Bergden sitcom). Times and the nature of republican families have changed, but dorky democrats who don't understand America stay the same.

Then comes that dasterdly maverick McCain, showcasing an American family not quite like what they were promoting 20+ years ago, but still very American and very Patriotic. Then the democrats pull out their dusty playbook and say 'ooh ooh, out of wedlock, ooh ohh'. Then America looks at them and says "They're just like my family. What's your problem democrats?"

And again, the dumbocrats lose an election that was virtually theirs to lose.

Posted by: Alex in DC | September 8, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

you libs are a bunch of Nuts

Posted by: alan | September 8, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It's not yet clear whether Palin will draw a sufficient number of Democratic women to the Republican ticket, though if she does, that would constitute a path to victory for McCain that hadn't existed before last week. His spike in the polls, as well as the TV images of excited women at rallies featuring Palin, suggest to the uninvolved observer that this may be occuring. Her appeal seems based to this point on gender, class, and traditional conservative values. By contrast, her policy positions on health care, education, and abortion seem irreconcilable with those of the Democratic women she is intended to draw, yet may well be drawing, to the ticket. Meanwhile, McCain, whose record on women's issues is less than steller, seems to have successfully completed the process of transforming himself into the unassailable American patriot. Together they provide what, ironically, would be a very fat target for old style political muckraking. One can imagine what H.L. Menken would make of a candidate who wraps himself in the flag while living off his wife's inheritence, or another who proclaims her redneck roots and old time religion while pursuing pork in Washington and stepping on the necks of anyone foolish enough to cross her back home. There are, of course, no more H.L. Menkens; only Tom Brokaws. As Obama said the other day, only half in jest, "They must think you're stupid." Precisely.

Posted by: thewolf1 | September 8, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL THE STUPID PEOPLE WHO WILL VOTE FOR MCSENILE, TWO WORDS, WORLD WAR 3 AND DEPRESSION.CONNIE FROM iNDIANA

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The McCain bounce will go away as soon as the public understands that they have been lied to about Palin's background and the McCain-Palin lies and misunderstanding of the economy. That's coming. McCain and Palin have chosen to dine at the church of tax cuts only for the wealthy and trickle-down economics. The food is poison at that table.

Posted by: Mary | September 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Is amazes me how the Republican Party continues to convince middle-class Americans to vote against their own interest and support the Republicans.

It is perfectly logical for the richest 5% of the electorate to vote Republican. But it is astounding that people making less than 250,000 K a year would support these disastrous economic policies.

If we put McCain in the White House we will have no one to blame but oursleves for the collapse of our economy. It is ineveitable that that the massive foreign borrowing and the defict spending will wreak financial havoc. McCain's continuation of the Bush Administration will deepen the cleft in our society.

If you put McCain in the White House you will long for the day of $4 a gallon gasoline and the era when you could send you kids to college and you could afford health insurance.

If you put McCain in the White House this current era of economic uncertainty will seem like "the good ol' days".

Four more years of the "borrow and spend and tax cuts" will be the ruin of this once Great Country.

Posted by: AdrickHenry | September 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Barracuda. What a gift to SNL!

They must be going crazy trying to figure out how to winnow down all that material to just 90 minutes.

Posted by: Obamican | September 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

man she's cute-- should make a great
vp

Posted by: kevin | September 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Watch this and tell me you think Palin should be VP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_1Eit0pxM

Posted by: anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Joe says: "It's hard to believe that the lower and great middle classes of our society would vote Republican and against there own economic interest."

Joe exemplifies the patronizing contempt that seems to be tattooed on the dna of urban liberals. You folks shuffle from little rooms, down tiny halls, into and out of stuffy crowded elevators, down to the dulling cacophony of backed up traffic sounds and...more shuffling of feet down sidewalks where people ignore each other with that pathological urban indifference that we rural folks will no longer suffer.

Obama reeks with urban contempt for the heartlanders, the rural American.

I heard it said he is a "made man" for urban Afro power brokers and the Daley Democrat machine owed them. This is a HUGE Obama story that the media hegemony is either ignoring or doesn't realize what a hot topic it is for rural Americans.

Posted by: rural americans | September 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It is comical to read this article and see how painful it is for the author to even hint that the change in the polls might be attributed to Sarah Palin. I am sure that it irks the WaPo to have to write an article about a shift in the polls. Sarah Palin resonates with Americans. Contrary to the observations of THE ROMAN EMPIRE, this change in the polls is not a result of spite, bitterness or even prejudice. It is evidence of Americans finally seeing somebody in the presidential race who they can really identify with and who reminds them of somebody that they know, love, and respect.

Posted by: Rhino | September 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It gives me great hope for this country that the clear majority of Americans are able to see Sarah for whom she really is -- in spite of a relentless barrage of smears, innuendo, and perfidy.

Posted by: info | September 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are actually buying into the Republicans AGAIN! McCain and Palin talk about changing Washington as if we have been governed by some other party. It was a Republican administration that made this country a mess over the 8 years and the last thing we need is another 4 years of the same party. Come on people how much worse do you want it to get? You know somethings wrong when a white rich man is telling us that a black man is out of touch with the common mans needs. Obama may not be the answer to some magical change but I believe he would actually listen to some of the major problems we are facing. It is a sad day in the world if the Republicans win again.

Posted by: some good american | September 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I am glad I am single with no children and my condo is paid off.

You PUMA's and whoever can vote for McCain and destroy your children's future watch your home values continue to drop.

I have my money in the foreign markets and will continue to do so until Obama is elected President.

Posted by: TheDiplomat | September 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is half white!!!!! I am not racist b/c i support McCain / Palin. I vote for the better of my country! I am Rep. and i believe in legalizing marijuana..so what? I still want whats best for my country...Obama is not ready to lead us!!!
All people, no matter your party, color, or social beliefs, need to do what is best for our future and safety.....

Posted by: srfrgrl | September 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Thank you to everyone that made the Ball Draining Ball, located at the fabulous restroom/toilet facility of Concourse A, Minneapolis International Airport a great success. People will be talking about this ball draining gala for years. The man to man action was hot. There was love GOPStyle™ everywhere. Karl "Hot Karl" Rove was there delivering impressive loads as usual. There were the surprise visits from my colleague Lindsey Graham, and the GOP's hottest and newest Boy Toys, Levi Johnston and Todd Palin. Those boys showed us just how big a gun you need to kill a moose!!

We know that us Republicans will win a great victory in November and with that, we'll be cruising a toilet near you for hot man batter producing action. Vote your straight GOP ticket and make sure that GOP man to man love will be available at a public toileting facility near you!

Thank you and God Bless.

Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID)

Posted by: Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) | September 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Gallup has been notorious for being off the mark.
And the allure of Sister Sara, the mullah from Wasullah, is going to wear pretty thin when folks look past the beauty-queen poses and get a load of her real attitudes (book burner, keep-em-barefoot-and-pregnant-like-my-own-daughter views on sex and family, absentee-parenting, achievement fraud). She may play well to the base, but then what? And is McCain going to say “I’m with you,” to both the far right AND the center? Nobody but his current supporters will buy it.
In 2006, all this administration’s BS caught up with them. We’re 2 years down the road from that, and a lot savvier about all the spin. If you thought ‘06 was a disaster, wait until this November. The next 60 days will be plenty of time to shred every device they come up with.
If McCain gets 43%, it’ll be a miracle.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Lemme see. She got her first passport last year, graduated college in six years after attending six schools, flew across country AFTER her water broke.

Yep, naming her to the VP slot shows great judgement, McCain!

Posted by: Obamican | September 8, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

people on here need to compare apples to apples. Obama is running for president. Palin for Vice president. Compare Biden's experience with Palin.

Posted by: woah | September 8, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I was in the UK a few years back and I asked what the British think of Americans... he said... they are over-weight, uninformed, easily 'spun' and generally stupid. I think that explains the polls.

Posted by: BGF | September 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama's version of change

"Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.

I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

Washington's been talking about our oil addiction for the last thirty years, and John McCain has been there for twenty-six of them. In that time, he's said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil as the day that Senator McCain took office.

Now is the time to end this addiction, and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution. Not even close.

As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I'll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I'll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I'll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy - wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can't ever be outsourced.

America, now is not the time for small plans."

Posted by: Morris | September 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the real deal, Palin is the real deal. They are going to kickass in this contest.
Someday Obama will probably be president and I would vote for him, but he is too green this time around.

Posted by: The man | September 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Why am I constantly reminded of 'Rise and Fall of Rome', when I think about where our country is going? I guess they too would have had their share of 'Republicans' who never saw what was coming. It took Bush just less than three years to destroy what was built by Clinton. If you guys want to let the destruction continue, you're welcome for a third round. Let's see what will remain this time.

Posted by: The Joker | September 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

For those who weren't aware, this fraud Barky Soetoro initially requested Secret Service protection on his own so he will look more presidential. Homeland Security did not think it was necessary at that time (so they didn't act on their own). But after Barky made that request Chertoff signed off on it basically because a candidate requested it and he did not want to be accused of racism.

But this shouldn't surprise anyone. After all part of Barky's strategy has been to make people think that he is already the president (the rest of his strategy being accuse innocent people of racism and bigotry).

Fake Messiah Seal, Obama Force One (his stinky campaign plane) etc.

Posted by: cspolj | September 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to mixup to counter the new diva. He should name part of his likely cabinet, atleast partially, in the next few weeks. Perhaps figure Clinton and may be a prominent replublican (in exchange for endorsement) in this likely cabinet.

Posted by: Cc | September 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

and Duuhvid, you can thank the Sec. of the Treasury for that reassurance about this never being used. You can thank the Bush administration and its regulatory free thinking repuks....since you GOP trolls never own your mistakes.

Posted by: mavericks, my a$$ | September 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

No mention of the "babe factor" in all this. I am certain that a big part of Palin's appeal is attractiveness. Ask any advertising person, sex sells. Who cares if she'll make a good VP, as long as she wears those heels and smart outfits, she has my attention.

Posted by: Donnie | September 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Please just because you make the news headlines, doesn't mean you are popular. Remember Anna Nicole Smith and how we heard about her all the time? The polls are not as close as the media leads us to believe. Its just a way to keep everybody hyped up. I read an article on Googles last night that said that the media continually will keep the polls close all the way up to election because they have a vested interest in advertising revenue that they garnish from a close race. So do not let the media ruffles your feathers. I guarantee Obama will win the presidency and the race is not close at all. They are also giving the so called National polls and they don't win elections!

Posted by: Cindy | September 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Of course John McCain is leading in the polls. Another poll indicates nine out of ten Aspen Free Press readers fear obesity more than terrorism. One reason for this is that these readers know John McCain will be our next President and protect us. Meanwhile victory continues to remain elusive in the war on food abuse.
Sterling Greenwood
Aspen Free Press

Posted by: AspenFreePress | September 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing to see how agitated liberals are about Sarah Palin..One can only imagine how agitated liberals will become as those blue states start turning red.

Posted by: Sigmond | September 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain is so slick he has fooled the media by throwing a monkey wrench into this election but, it going to come back to hit him over the head this coming November 4th. Palin has already made a big gaffle in Co. Springs about Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac she is not what McCain has made her out to be. She is just an empty dress in high heels. Being a women myself and mother I think she is far Hillary Clinton. Why don't the real ELISTS stand up McCain, the specail interest running his campaign. The foxnews networks the people running these false polls which amount to nothing. Do you realize that real people who go into the polling booths is going to make the differnce not the polls that you so call bounces really matter they're just ran by your sick imaginations......

Obama/Biden -08

Posted by: Jacie - San Leandro, Ca | September 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

There are more choices than McCain and Obama (neither of which I'm thrilled with). http://www.lp.org/

Posted by: morechoices | September 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

HEY OBAMA - IT'S PANIC TIME!!!!

Posted by: !!!! | September 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

""We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative," Palin said."

She was for the bridge and has the t-shirt to prove it.

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/files/FH000020.jpg

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Let's do the windfall profits tax!!! Big Law imposes a huge cost on healthcare for all. Let's stop Big Law Windfalls by taxing every legal settlement 65%. How could this impact healthcare?

Posted by: I'm all 4 Taxes | September 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to reality. And note Palin got there before you did.


Posted by: David
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uhhh, Duuhvid - she was talking about the reason why Fannie and Freddy Mac got into hot water - and it was not because the taxpayers thought that they were too expensive. They are private run entities. As a matter of fact, it is going to cost taxpayers millions with this bailout. Actually, if you read what she said, you might not be so smug.

Posted by: mavericks, my a$$ | September 8, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jerry, better read up on which presidents have had honorable Military experience. Hint: GWB was not one of them, but try his daddy and Jimmy Carter.
Jeez!~ And I'm not even an American.

Posted by: CenturionMk5-2 | September 8, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

All of the vicious, hate-mongering Bush-haters: Your diatribes are failing. The inexperience of Obama has now been publicly noted and although his ideas and charisma are admirable, the fact that he cannot convince ANYONE that he will be able to lead ... its just too big of a leap of faith.

You haters have failed. Such vile rhetoric is unacceptable to most Americans. You are, yourselves, no better than Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

Posted by: VA for McCain | September 8, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Try JFK the last US President with Military experience "

dumbarse, the last president with military experience is the current one - gw bush. If you don't count his service in the guard, the last president with military experience was GHW Bush, who was a navy pilot in WWII.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to ask Palin about her preacher's view that Alaska is a "refuge state," where the masses will flock during Armageddon.

The thought of Palin with her finger on the button sends a chill down my spine.

Posted by: McBain | September 8, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm a proud U.S. Special Forces Combat Veteran. John McCain being a POW means absolutely nothing to me or anyone with a lick of sense. What should matter now is who can best lead this country,being a veteran or a pow has no bearing on that whatsoever. I'll take a man like Obama with smarts and a great education over an average duo like McCain and Palin any day. as complex as the world is ,we need someone who can UNDERSTAND the complexities and interrelatedness of the world today. This is a no-brainer, it's not even competitive in my view. Obama must win to keep us from turning into the biggest third world country.

Posted by: John | September 8, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Your votes affect my life. This isn't a game."

Please don't tell us your sob story. There are already too many sob stories from anonymous posters.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

So, the GOP finds a good speaker with a skirt. She doesn't fumble on the big stage at the RNC. She's now "better" than Obama, who is vilified for giving good speeches.
I like these "christian" conservatives..
-Cheat on your husband with his biz partner
-Your underage daughter is pregnant
-Try to have my sister's ex-husband fired
-Succession of Alaska from USA

Is this what you mean by "Country 1st" ??
Is this an example of christian values ??

Posted by: i.supreme | September 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

There is a terrible misconception about any of these polls, they should include a disclaimer: "Registered voters who are not on the do not call list, that don't own a cell phone". Sounds like an awfully big demographic are not being included in these polls.

Posted by: independent thinker | September 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I understand why there are undecided - while Obama's promises are exciting for many people there is a gigantic credibility gap - most especially HOW TO PAY FOR THEM! Also, how does the man with no literal experience running a government, an agency, a company learn how to run the most powerful country? Promises are great stuff - till they're not delivered upon.

Nobody had bothered to ask Obama the hard questions - nobody questioned his lack of experience. But now the dilemna is this - how to question Palin's credentials when you refuse to allow the same questions to be questioned of Barack? Again - a credibility gap for too many folks.

Posted by: Katy | September 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

All the dems who are scared to death that the McCainiacs and Palinistas might actually win are saying the polls mean nothing. Of course, if the polls said that Obama was winning they would be grinning. Pray the polls change after the debates!!! I ain't grinning. They could win!!! Interesting post by robt... sounds like you did some thinking and research. Still... I take the constitution over the Bible any day.

Posted by: Bruce | September 8, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to believe that the lower and great middle classes of our society would vote Republican and against there own economic interest. I think the McCain-Palin ticket is more leaning to the right than maybe Bush ,himself. If the Republicans get this the country is screwed. The middle class citizen will have no one to blame but himself.

Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Palin gave a speech written for her by George W. Bush's speechwriters. Explain how that's outstanding. Please.

Posted by: Penny Dreadful | September 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

The Obamanots sure have their panties in a bundle today!

Posted by: Rose | September 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes, if Palin is anywhere near the white house... if MCBush actually won this, I will be up in Canada faster than you can say Dumb America!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama has cost Dems the election already, by forbidding her husband to select Hillary as his running mate. They had a chance at the dream ticket; in their arrogance, they threw it away. Now Obama looks like what he is: eloquence with little experience. The Dems deserve to lose, and they will. The demographic that votes is not young people; it's older people who are experienced themselves and fear turning the reins over to someone who isn't. Also, the leadership didn't get it: how many women have lost jobs to younger, less experienced men? Sound familiar? It will on election day, too.

Posted by: Irishgirl | September 8, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Newest Rasmussen swing-state polls will be out at 6pm Monday--according to their website. Many of these states' data haven't been updated in quite some time.

Posted by: scrapster | September 8, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin got it right.

The taxpayers do own Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. We bought them yesterday. But the decision to buy them was made by a Democratic Congress about six weeks ago when they voted for a plan that we were assured "would never be used".

Welcome to reality. And note Palin got there before you did.

Posted by: David | September 8, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama now supports the Bush tax cuts.. lol..What next? Obama claiming he had thought about going to West Point? lol

Posted by: Sigmond | September 8, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

First let me say that I am a dem, now--obama(osama) better keep his senate job, hes going to need it. America has started to see him for what he is a leftwing/socialist/muslim/America hater who hangs with and has the support of terrorists.

Posted by: bill
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bill, get back to work - your nose isn't going to pick itself...

Posted by: bill, your village wants you back, the temp idiot is not working out | September 8, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Rebublicans: A bridge to the 11th centry.

Posted by: Jim Asparro | September 8, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What I'd like to see is a poll asking how many people would strongly consider leaving the US if Sarah Palin was one heart beat away from the Presidency. On Trig's birth alone, her judgment is appalling: Who -- knowing they are carrying a special needs baby -- gets on three flights over a period of 8 hours while in labor -- with the closest neonatal ICU an emergency landing away? Who -- only for the purpose of giving a political speech -- allows their amniotic fluid to leak for hours knowing there can be a serious risk of infection once your water breaks? Who puts the airlines and their passengers in the position of having an on-air emergency on three flights without telling them? A selfish person with no judgment. Oh -- but I forgot -- she had the state of Alaska paying for her medical bills if anything should go wrong. Sarah Palin is being put up as an icon of working motherhood, but she is really making bad choices. Let's hear from some real icons of working motherhood, who go back to work a few days after giving birth because they don't have maternity leave or health insurance and because they have to work to put food on the table and pay the rent. Palin will not be their advocate -- not one bit of the Republican platform addresses the needs of these REAL heroic mothers -- unless you mean the part about reducing taxes for the rich and looking the other way about healthcare. Oh yeah, and calling us a nation of whiners for complaining about the state of the economy.

Posted by: Karen from Tennessee | September 8, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm always astounded that there are people out there that are still undecided. Have they been living in caves? We have two candidates with stark differences in polices. What are these people basing their votes on? On the economy, you either believe cutting taxes on the rich will save us all (if you still think Bush's tax cuts will bring back your job from Asia I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you)or you don't.

I ask these questions but then I always have to remind myself; the rich vote for people who support their economic interests, the uneducated, working class vote for the person they'd most like to drink beer with. Go Republicans!

Posted by: JStone | September 8, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

To all you McCain supporters - Why don't you set your stinking racism aside and ask yourselves this: Do you like having a job?

Your votes affect my life. This isn't a game.

Posted by: Hilary Smith | September 8, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

McSame had nowhere to go but up...and I shudder to think the American people will be willing to put up with four more years of the same old junk from the White House: Katrina-style incompetence, four dollar gas, a trillion dollar war, near-record unemployment, a disastrous housing market, global warming...no more!

Posted by: Soonerthought.blogspot.com | September 8, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Palin Secretly Wants to Secede from US.
Why would the GOP Party and McCain nominiate someone for Vice President who once belonged or had affiliations with a group who wants to secede from the United States, The Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) whose motto is put Alaskan First, not Country First? And what does that tell you about the Republican Party?


Palin who could possibly be our next Vice Presient and/or President has a long time affiliation with the AIP , group which wants to separate from the United States, whose motto is Alaska First—Alaska Always." Palin’s husband also has a long-time mebership with this group, the Alaskan Independence Party. Officially, the AIP is a political party which advocates, in part, becoming a separate nation or commonwealth state... The party has appeared on the ballot in Alaska in all state elections since 1970. At other times, party members have also proposed that the state explore the possibility of joining Canada.


Here is a Link to Palin addressing the Alaska Independence Party in 2007 wherein she tells them "Your party plays an important role in our state’s politics ... keep up the good work, and God bless you."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI


From Blogspot:
http://divasblueoasis.blogspot.com/

"Governor Palin’s connections with the AIP are also furthered by her connection to Wally Hickel, a former Alaskan governor. Hickel was elected on the AIP ticket. He served as the co-chairman of Governor Palin’s campaign in 2006 Here is a quote from an interview Hickel did with the Alaska Dispatch:


When Palin was running for governor in 2006, Hickel appeared in advertisements supporting her and the Alaska pipeline.
"I made her governor," Hickel told me. "


That is an important and telling admission that Hickel, a long-time AIP member believes that he made Sarah Palin governor! He wa also co-chairman of her campaign for Governor. These things deserve observation and thought into the true character of Sarah Palin!


"Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she and her husband were once member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United State. And while McCain’s motto --- is "Country First," the AIP’s motto is the exact opposite—"Alaska First—Alaska Always."


McCain's Camp likes to dispute the fact that Sarah Palin and her husband were/are members of this Separative Group. However, Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, told ABC News on Monday that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.


Earlier this year, Palin sent a video message to the AIP for its annual convention, where AIP vice chair George Clark told the small crowd that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town –- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -– she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | September 8, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I understand the appeal of Palin to the republican base. What I don't understand is her appeal to the center. If people look beyond personality, she has RADICAL RIGHT-WING positions far outside the mainstream (abortion: no exceptions for rape and incest ; global warming: no correlation with human behavior ; abstinence only in schools=higher risk of pregnancy (see her 17 year-old daughter) ; a beief that people can change their sexual orientation if they pray hard enough. I mean, c'mon people. WAKE UP! Is this really what you want? I thought republicans were the party of limited government. It seems that they want to control your health care decisions and your bedroom behavior. If McCain and Palin are real reformers, I'm Santa Claus. Gimme a freakin break!

Posted by: BillBolducinMaine | September 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

USA Today/Gallup 09/05-09/07 54 44 McCain +10
Rasmussen Tracking 09/05-09/07 48 47 McCain +1
Gallup Tracking 09/04-09/06 48 45 McCain +3
CBS News 09/01-09/03 42 42 Tie
CNN 08/29-08/31 48 49 Obama +1

Where has Obama gone wrong?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=3284


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Posted by: DBlake | September 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, what change is Obama talking about? if you have heard his campaign's response to anything about McCain is obvious: all he means is swapping one crappy political party for another. He will not change the partisan paralysis in Washington. Boring! Does anyone really want the House, the Senate, and the presidency held by one selfish party? If you do, then you care more about your politics than your country's future.

Posted by: patrick | September 8, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

For those who keep stating the Obama should have picked Clinton, please tell me what Clinton and Palin have in common politically? I sense nothing except they are both women with vastly different voters voting for them, except for the pumas who are just mean,selfish and ignorant.

Posted by: Zack Centre | September 8, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

When a man tells me he's going to fight for ME - I.E. "The People" and that same man fought bravely and with more courage then anyone here could even imagine - when that same man clearly shows the scars of battle - I will gladly stand by his side knowing what his true heart holds - you want to compare him to someone - Try JFK the last US President with Military experience - both are true heros

Posted by: Jerry | September 8, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Where we to elect this unqualified, inexperienced ex PTA president, then it would show the world that our judgement is as bad as McCain's. Further it would be the third in row of such judgement calls. What will it take for us to come to our senses?

Palin's sole qualification appears to be that she wishes to deprive the entire country of the very choice she is so proud that her daughter made. How sad!

What does the world see us as? Over fed, hypocritic, insular and after this... STUPID. Perhaps we deserve Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Stephen | September 8, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Sarah Palin was, technically, the person to put the final nail in the coffin of the "Bridge to Nowhere" last fall. Apparently that was a prime reason she got picked for the Republican ticket -- McCain liked that the same Alaska Republicans who are angry at him were also angry at her.

But the implication coming from Palin and McCain is that in doing so, she saved U.S. taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. "I told the Congress 'thanks, but no thanks,' for that Bridge to Nowhere," Palin said at the Republican convention last week. "If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves." McCain's ad says, "She stopped the Bridge to Nowhere" (with some dramatic music behind the narration that makes it sound like McCain and Palin are running for the newest slots in the Legion of Super Heroes, not the White House).

That's not actually how it happened, though. Nearly two years before Palin acted, Congress had already decided the federal government wouldn't pay for the bridge. But Alaska would still get the $229 million that had been earmarked for the project. By the time Palin took office and "killed" the bridge in September 2007, she knew that if she didn't, the state would be on the hook for the whole bill, and Alaska wouldn't get the massive windfall to spend on... well, whatever other transportation boondoggles it wanted to fund. She did officially spike the project, but it was basically already finished. Since the federal government was going to pay for almost the entire cost of the project, once Congress removed the earmark, Palin didn't have much choice. "It wasn't really a bold move when she did it," bridge opponent Lois Epstein, with the Alaska Transportation Priorities Project, told PolitiFact. Not to mention, of course, that Palin supported the bridge during her 2006 campaign for governor, and only came around to opposing it and scaling back the state's earmark requests when it became clear the bridge was hurting Alaska's image in Washington and around the country.

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she's just so darn mavericky... and a HAACKEY MAAAHM!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

A bounce is just what the word implies: a bounce. What happens to a ball that bounces? It goes up and then it goes down. The only question is how long does the honeymoon last? If it lasts through the first week of November, then the Dems have once again managed to turn inevitable victory into defeat.

As for Palin's positive numbers, I feel favorably to her too, but that doesn't mean I'll vote McCain (or Palin for that matter.)

Posted by: muD | September 8, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

ALL,

PLEASE BE ADVISED WHILE YOU SIT IN YOUR CUBES AND SMILE SMUGGLY AT THE TWO PICTURED, THE COUNTRY IS FALLING TO ITS DEMISE. FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, YOU ALL WILL BE SAYING WHAT HAVE WE DONE! WE HAVE DESTROYED OURSELVES AND AMERICA WITH OUR SPITEFULNESS AND BITTERNESS AND NOT LEAST OF ALL, OUR PREJUDICE.

Posted by: THE ROMAN EMPIRE | September 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

http://www.truthout.org/article/attacks-praise-stretch-truth-gop-convention

Posted by: Obama2008 | September 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: eliot | September 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Read about the McCain-Palin "Vision" including POW themed "Amusement Camps" for unwanted pro life babies and more by following this link to the "Sarah Palin Admiration Society" parody : http://sarahpalinadmirationsociety.ning.com/

Posted by: SarahPalin | September 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

if you look into the bills for the va the bills had ear marks for the dems pork projects the dems never intended to help the va it was just a way to slide there earmarks in hoping they would pass

Posted by: wtobias | September 8, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

First let me say that I am a dem, now--obama(osama) better keep his senate job, hes going to need it. America has started to see him for what he is a leftwing/socialist/muslim/America hater who hangs with and has the support of terrorists.

Posted by: bill | September 8, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin is eye candy. That is all it is, why else would she be kept from the media....nothing between the ears.

Posted by: Sign's of Hope and Change | September 8, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Polls schmolls you can make them say whatever you want depending on who you ask and how you ask them. Trust Rupert Murdoch and the media that is cowering over Palin these days and their polls nah. America is ready for CHANGE and try as he might John Mc Same is just that more same. Mc Cain did not support the GI bill and myself and my fellow veterans wont forget nor forget. Our economy tanks ever worse by the day and it will be the Republicans who have been in charge for eight(8) years that take the blame. They can try mightily to distract us with Caribou Barbi and by trying to wear the mantle of change. no sale. No way No How No Mc Cain! Let them enjoy their moment in the sun the only day that matters is election day and the story will be right in the minds of America by then. OBAMA BIDEN 2008! YES WE CAN AND YEW WE DAMN SURE WILL!

Posted by: Latino Nam veteran | September 8, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Zogby poll has a track record of being very accurate. Therefore, I am waiting for the next Zogby result.

BTY, DO YOU GUYS KNOW THE TRACK RECORD OF THESE POLLS YOU ALL ARE DISPLAYING HERE? PLEASE INFORM. Thanks.

Posted by: Gean Semore | September 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Four more years of Bush's policies - which is what Mcain will give us if, God forbid, he's elected - will destroy what's left of the US economy.

A vote for McCain is a vote for The New Depression.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes | September 8, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, the first thing Vice President Palin will look into when she arrives in Washington, is all those millions of dollars in earmarks of Senator Obama and all those lobbyists that have been enriching the Biden family.

Posted by: Sigmond | September 8, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

only the Democrats could screw up this election!!

Posted by: middle american mom | September 8, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Sarah Palin made her first potentially major gaffe during her time on the national scene while discussing the developments of the perilous housing market this past weekend.

Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, as McClatchy reported, "aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization."

Economists and analysts pounced on the misstatement, saying it demonstrated a lack of understanding about one of the key economic issues likely to face the next administration.

"You would like to think that someone who is going to be vice president and conceivable president would know what Fannie and Freddie do," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "These are huge institutions and they are absolutely central to our country's mortgage debt. To not have a clue what they do doesn't speak well for her, I'd say."

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Yeah, she's a whirling dervish of smarts. She does know that there are three branches of government?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Palin doesn't even know that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae aren't financed by taxpayers. Sooner or later, the media will have to stop ignoring the fact she's totally unqualified to be vice president - though I'm sure they'll try as hard they can.

Posted by: roje | September 8, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Good luck McCain/Palin and congrats to Palin for the bounce IN POLLS *I don't believe she will be the bounce after November* (wink)

That is all I have to say. The People, combined, are not playing around this time. There are serious issues, and it is a wonder that McCain would pick Palin, of all other possible male and female candidates. Congrats to Palin for being chosen.

***If I may provoke thought for a moment, how many Repubs, Dems, and Independents believe that Palin would have been McCain's choice IF Hillary Rodham Clinton was chosen as the VP?*** Yet he chose Palin, still. Should Obama become POTUS (which I look forward to but stop short of saying the opposite ticket will lose), I personally hope a string of Democrats keep winning the nomination as long as pro-Bush-policy-candidates and their similar VP candidates keep being nominated. I look forward to seeing Hillary Clinton run again. I'd rather see Chuck Hagel in McCain's shoes.

Anyone else, besides me, ready for debates? It WILL be interesting. I see where they stand on the issues, but I just want to see how they think; especially Palin when the issues are presented. I want to be entertained, or enlightened with more reasons to McCain's choice of her other than what was presented at the GOP convention ;) I'm serious.

Posted by: Obama2008 | September 8, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

“Reasons why Americans have woken up to Nobama the PHONY”
Caucus Fraud committed by Obama supporters (primaries)
• Intimidation
• Voting multiple times
• Busing people into other towns and states to vote
• Votes exceeding the number of registered voters
• Paying for votes
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
Lack of Experience
• 143 days in the United States Senate
• No Foreign policy experience
• No Executive experience (hasn’t run a business, town, or state, nothing, nada)
• Community organizing (going door to door to register voters for ACORN)
Has NEVER stood his ground when it wasn’t politically expedient.
• Obama gave an Anti-war speech to gain the support of the big money people in Chicago
Poor Record
• Voted “present” 129 times in Senate, not taking a stand on controversial issues. (indecisive)
• Worked to remove asbestos with limited success, still remains uncompleted to this day.
• Claims credit for welfare reform in Chicago that helped to put steel workers back to work, but it was a Republican bill that President Bill Clinton signed into law and that Obama voted against!
• Asked for a million dollar earmark for his wife’s employer (she received a $200,000 raise)
• Secured 100’s of millions of dollars in earmarks for private developers like Rezko resulting in failed housing projects that were rat infested, no electricity, sewerage and crime ridden, and uninhabitable forcing the government to take them over. (boston globe grim beginnings link)
• Voted in the state senate for gun control and refused to crack down on gangs. Obama helped create the situations where crime in 2008 escalated to about 30 shootings in a week requiring a special task force to be formed to stem the violence in the streets.
• Chairman of the Foreign Relations subcommittee on European affairs, which he has neglected, not having once held a meeting. Countries like Georgia were his responsibility.
• Most liberal Democratic voting record. Voted 97% of the time with his party.
Broken campaign promises
• Fisa (fourth amendment rights)
• Public campaign financing
• Undivided Jerusalem
Highly questionable religious connections
• Former pastor Rev. Wright “God D*mn America! America caused 9/11 and AIDs.
• Black Liberation Theology (black supremacy)
Connections to corrupt politicians, and Anti-American Organizations
• William Ayers – Terrorist - Bombed NY police station, Pentagon, Capital building in 70,71,72. People died. (He got off on technicality caused by FBI procedural mistake)
• Tony Rezko – Arab developer convicted in Chicago for fraud, money laundering and bribes of government officials. Rezko helped Obama find his Chicago Mansion and bought a piece of the property through his wife, whom subsequently sold a piece back to Obama.
Best selling books about Obama
• “The Obama Nation” by Jerome Corsi (Some minor factual mistakes but theme is credible)
• “The Case Against Obama “ by David Freddoso (Very revealing about Chicago background)
Impending Economic disasters
• Increase in capital gains tax – 28% targets most people’s largest asset, the sale of their house. Retirement plans, and funding for college are hurt when you stand to lose more money than the cost of a college education. His $500 or $1,000 tax credit called a “tax cut for 95% of the people” is a “gimmick” to get your vote so he can fleece you out of your life’s work?
• Doubling foreign aid to other countries. Doubling our commitment to funding the U.N.
Campaign Gaffes
• Said he campaigned in 57 states, thought for a moment, and said he was going on to the 58th state
• Called the Great Lakes, the Great Lake of Oregon??
• Confused Iraq with Iran when talking to General Petreaus.
• Referenced using a “pistol” to go duck hunting.
• Captured in a photo not saluting the flag with his hand over his heart while everyone else was.
• “Israel is a friend of Israel”. “His banking committee” – but he isn’t on the banking committee.
• Obama slips in ABC interview and says “My muslim faith”
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/oopsies-my-muslim-faith”
Failure to support American “wounded” soldiers in Germany
• On his excellent adventure, European tour, Senator Obama was scheduled to visit our “wounded soldiers” in Germany. After Obama was told that he could not bring cameras or his campaign manager inside with him and he would just be visiting officially as a senator, he decided not to visit our “wounded soldiers”. He went to workout at the Ritz Carlton gym instead. His lame excuses were not supported by the Pentagon.
Accomplishments raise doubts
• Highlights that he worked “across the aisle” on Nuclear Proliferation legislation with Republican Senator Lugar. Senator. However, in an interview, Senator Lugar said the Obama had “overstated his involvement”. He explained that Obama had expressed an interest in joining his committee (which makes him a co-sponsor) shortly before the bill was introduced, and recalled that he had attended one or possibly two meetings. (It looks nice on his resume, but hardly qualifies as “working across the aisle on a controversial issue” when consensus was against the spread of nuclear weapons around the world

Posted by: robt | September 8, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Chris - you know these national daily tracking polls are virtually meaningless, in the grand scheme of things.

The red meat is found in the trends shown by state-by-state head-to-head polls and likely electoral college vote counts.


Currently, Obama has 243 ECVs and he's ahead in 6 of the swing states (MT-3, CO-9, MI-17, OH-20, VA-13, NH-4), giving him +66 ev's, for a grand total of 309 ECVs.


McCain has 179 ECVs and he's ahead in 4 swing states (ID-5, ND-3, NC-15, FL-27), giving him +50 ev's, for a grand total of 229 ECVs.


If the election were held today, Obama would win 309 ECV to McCain's 229 ECVs.

If we begin to see trends showing gains or losses of support for either candidate in the swing states, then that will be something to talk about.

But these national polls only give a snapshot of voter reflexes to what they've heard in the news over the last 48 hours - not a very reliable indication of what's happening on the ground, particularly in battleground states, where the elections are really decided.

Posted by: eliot | September 8, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is having fun, but let's not forget what he accomplished eight years ago. The Sarah Palin pick may have been a gimmick to divert attention from real issues. If that was the intention, it's been successful. Eight years ago there was a governor from Texas who said Jesus was his favorite philosopher. It was laughable, but the laughs turned into a disaster. Karl Rove is still laughing! Rick Davis made it clear that this campaign is not about issues but image-making. They are at it again and may it pull it off. In the meantime they have been able to demonize the Press by calling them "piranhas", a continuation of animal imagery that started out with a "pit bull with lipstick". Two months from now, the electorate may very well become the proverbial cooked goose. In November, buyer beware!

Posted by: JoeG. | September 8, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Do John McCain or conservative republicans understand, or respect the moral foundations of this country? The U.S. Constitution is abused by conservative republicans at every turn.

U.S. Constitution: Amendment I - Freedom of Religion
Right now, for the first time ever, your tax dollars are funding religious groups you may not agree with. To add insult to injury, conservative appointed judges have ruled that you do not have a right to challenge this expenditure.

Amendment IV - Search and seizure
Under the guise of court action against abortion, Conservative republicans had John Ashcroft subpoena all the medical records of literally thousands of women like you and members of your family. Conservative republicans invade your privacy every day by browsing your email and phone records. Unfortunately for all of us, they don't appear to care about our U.S. constitution, and they certainly don't care about your privacy.

Amendment X - Powers of the States and People
John McCain and conservative republicans have tried consistently to overturn States Laws. They used your hard earned tax dollars to destroy the will of the people of Oregon, and the famous "Death with Dignity" law; they lost, but undoubtedly will try again. Conservative republicans and John McCain do not respect States Rights. If your state votes for something conservatives don't agree with they will use federal powers to overturn it regardless of how you and your fellow voters feel.

Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment
Would you rather die, or support a government which supported and sanctioned torture? The founding fathers would rather have died. The founding fathers were proud to fight and die for our government: A government which specifically outlaws cruel and unusual punishment. Conservatives don't agree with this philosophy. Conservatives are at odds with our founding fathers on this score, and too many others to count.

John McCain and the conservative republicans have already gone a long way to destroying the moral foundations of our country. I urge you to keep this in mind in the coming election as we rebuild our nation together by voting Democrat.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Chris

My comment is this and I will be getting T Shirt made with this on it. I am going to put two puppets on it with McCain and Sarah Palin and say the GOP Puppets.

What shock me with this is know one is asking the real question why did the GOP put these two on their ticket.

1. McCain want to push his military record something that happen 40 years ago but know one can question his record. For instant in the RNC Convention they kept saying his record and say McCain has the right judgement. If so why did he left his wife after she waited on him to marry a much younger girl that was rich want that mean judgement. Why is the media not speaking on how McCain has voted against health for veteran but now want to use them to win. Why wasn't nothing mention about the 26 years as senate. Only thing they said is Maverick but their are many people that can be call a maverick that just a person that disagree with a party, a friend, a family any one can disagree that do not say would they do it if they was pressure. Immigration Reform McCain said he will vote against this reform, The Bush Tax cut which he voted against now want to use, Drilling he was aginst now since it popular he for it I do not see Maverick I see a confuse person.

Governor Palin say she put Governor plane on Ebay but it did not sold on Ebay so why is they keep saying it was on Ebay. The Bridge to no where she was for it but now aginst it, the ethic issue that she saying she did was in place before she became Governor.

What make these people puppets is this GOP want to make the people believe that since McCain was a GOP and has a military record he has judgement ok unless people has forgot McCain ran in 2000 with the same plat form and the GOP kick him out due to when he stood up against them. Now since GOP name is dead they want him on the ticket.

Govenor Palin would have never been on a GOP ticket because she is a female but since Hillary Clinton was not put on Democrat ticket they wanted the white house back so bad they had to put a woman on it. My question to the Media or you saying this woman has all this qualification now but where was females in the Primary for the GOP party where was blacks, Asian, Hispanic in the primary they need these people to win. This not a maverick this a person would do anything and say anything to win.

Can some conservative with out being racist, with out the nasty words they have used against Senator Obama tell me I am lying on what I am stating.

Posted by: lsewell | September 8, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I have been thinking. you know the white house is kind of small, especially for someone with a stadium sized ego like mine. I am planning on moving into the Pentagon instead. the military can downsize and use the WH instead. We don't need all thnat force once my diplomacy kicks in.

Posted by: snObama | September 8, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Talking about Celebrity vs. Talking FACTS!

September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.

May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

A Military Hero, or McBush with 95% Bush Vote in Congress?
McCain "Supports Bush/Cheney Iraq War of Choice and Continued Oil Occupation... For Next 100 Years if Needed For Victory"!

McCain Does Not Care About American Soldiers and Their Families!
8 More Years McBush ONLY CARES ABOUT HIMSELF!


Posted by: Realista | September 8, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

As a Senator running for president your biggest management role, outside of running your senate office with a staff of say 50, will be your presidential campaign. Obama's team has been together for 19 months, executing a flawless plan for winning the nomination and building up both money and momentum. This has been a clockwork like team, adding on new staffers when needed but now adding bodies just to have them there. They have been careful to build it up with people who knew what they were doing and who understood Obama's message.

Contrast that with McCain's campaign. In 2007 he almost ran out of money, having added too many Bush staffers and analysis's to the payroll without adding subsequent fundraising. At several points his campaign teetered on the point of collapse - eventually righting the ship, but just in the nick of time. He has now added GOP staff from both the national party and the Bush team, a group of differing interests and power-bases. As we have seen, the vetting of Palin was done both half-assed and late in the game, they seem to jump from headline to headline - reacting to the news rather than leading it. His convention was a success in that the energy generated by Palin seemed to unify the party, but from an aestetic/logisitics point of view it was highly underproduced and frankly undisciplined.

I think this should be brought up in the election - if McCain were to run this country like he ran his campaign, in 2 year's we'll be out of money praying for a new direction. Serious thought and study will not go into problems and issues, rather a "gut" decision made because of political need will drive the government (Obama knew that having a foreign policy expert was the most important thing in a VP - if something were to ever happen to him, reassuring the world is the new president's most important role - domestic policy would pretty much take care of itself at that point. McCain took the exact opposite tack for political purposes). If McCain were allowed to govern like he ran, we are going to be in serious trouble.

Posted by: agitpropigation | September 8, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Biden/Obama swirling around the toilet bowl...

Posted by: Uh Oh | September 8, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign have to find a way of getting the facts out on Palin, and taking her record to task for the shambles that it is.She is a flip flopper at best, she is politically expedient at worst.

The trouble as I see it, is that a lot of people are taking first impressions of the personable Palin and deciding that she is being beaten up by the mainstream media, I'd call this the Bambi defence. She is playing the victim card, which will be fine for the first 3 weeks, but after that people are going to want to know a few things:
(1) Is she for or against the bridge to nowhere? Only we're a little confused given her introduction to the public, and what she said several years ago.
(2) If she was against the bridge why didn't she give the money back to the Federal government after the project was cancelled?
(3) Is she for or against earmarks in general? And in particular using lobbyists to gain undue funding and influence for pet projects?
(4) If she is against earmarks in general why did she, when mayor of Wasilla, hire Washington lobbyists to gain 10 times the average in federal funding per capita than a town of its size should enjoy?
(5) Is she for or against Ted Stevens?
(6) If she is against Ted Stevens why did she take a prominent role in one of Stevens 527 groups?
(7) Is she for or against the investigation in to the firing of Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan?
(8) If she is for the investigation why is her running mate and allies of hers in the Alaska state Capitol trying to interfere with the investigation?
(9) If she is for good Government, why is she so keen scared of the report of the above investigation coming out in October?
(10) Is she still for abstinence only sex-education?
(11) Is she for or against teenage pregnancy (this is a valid question as it was her candidacy which announced her daughter's pregnancy) in general?
(12) If she is for teen pregnancy why has she cut funding for young mothers in Alaska?
(13) If she is against teen pregnancy why is she allowing her daughter to proceed?
(14) While in office as mayor of Wasilla, did she seek to use her office to further her own political grudges?
(15) Why did she sack Wasilla's chief of police and librarian?
(16) Could it be that her attempts to ban certain books were unconstitutional?
(17) Has she ever sought to use elected political office to the advantage of her or her family?
(18) Don't her public announcements about using the office of the Vice President to the maximum benefit of the people of Alaska mean that she is in fact running for the Vice President of Alaska? What about the other 49 states? What about McCain's pledge to fight earmarks?

Just some thoughts. But I don't see that Palin or her right wing and contradictory views have been adequately probed.

Posted by: Mike | September 8, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/55atsk


Monday, September 08, 2008
Fear and the Result of Our Decisions: Media, Palin and Iraq

I recall keenly the days of the run-up to the Iraq war. How many journalists--including those I knew and admired--drew back from criticism of obvious gaps and flaws in the logic leading to the conflict; who, despite stories of critical importance for the future of the nation hanging before them, left them hanging in the group-reinforced fear that they would be accused of a lack of patriotism if they were to report them.

And so they were left to be reported long after--in books looking back at the clear issues, landmark errors, and trail of missed opportunities that has led to the fatal outcomes we now see before us.

The issues were there at the time. To be reported.

They were not.

Today, they are again being cowed, by an equally powerful fear of unnecessary intimidation and restraint, the consequences of which stretch far beyond those that we have seen in Iraq.

At a time when we are at war, the economy in shambles, when today Fannie and Freddie Mac are, for the first time in their history, in effect being nationalized, we are being swept by emotion and fear--career fear--into ignoring a situation that would likely send us tumbling into the unknown.

In reaction to vague, short-term threats that each journalist feels regarding gender, they fail to report issues that have nothing to do with gender yet have the longest term consequences--namely, those concerning the preparedness of a candidate for Vice President of the United States, running alongside an elderly and chronically ill Presidential candidate.

Instead--just as in the run-up to Iraq--each is making the easier choice--to join the risk-averse chorus of personality pieces, each, in the same diffusion of responsibility that had such a major role in leading us into the war in Iraq, taking the route that leads away from fact, regardless of gender.

As in Iraq, reporting fact--regardless of pressure for a mindless conformity and silence--represented actual patriotism, providing the nation with the information it needed to make a reliable and authentic decision, so reporting the facts here--regardless of pressure for an unthinking conformity represents a true balance, a true equality, a true lack of bias.

This is a time of difficult decisions. However, those decisions--your decisions--matter. We have seen this.

Report it. Don't be cowed.

Cite:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/55atsk

Posted by: Robert Hewson | September 8, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"The Electoral Vote count will change too (as soon as Palin takes on Biden re: Banking/BK and lobbyists)."

You mean Governor Palin, who hired lobbyists to work in Wash DC to bring the pork home to Wasilla? *that* Palin is going to 'take on Biden' on lobbyists?

The EV count may change, but not in the way you imagine.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Palin energized the base and allowed McCain to retool his message into one of change and his old maverick ideals. His policies are the same (not the maverick he once was) but the message has shifted. That works.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: mpp | September 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

cindyp - those are OLD poll numbers. Look for new state polls in a few days, but Rassmussen did provide some hints in their latest polls:

- Ohio (20) -- moved from Toss-up to Leans Republican

- North Carolina (15) -- moved from Leans Republican to Likely Republican

- Wisconsin (10) -- moved from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic.

- Colorado (9) -- moved from Leans Democratic to Toss-Up

- Oregon (7) -- moved from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic

- South Dakota (3) -- moved from Leans Republican to Likely Republican

Posted by: Mega Ditto | September 8, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Something is going on that we're all not aware of. I suspect that Obama knows more about Palin's ethics investigation in Alaska. Why else (other than her popularity) would he or Biden be holding their fire? I mean, there is no shortage of things to attack Celebrity Sarah about. She's a bigger flip-flopper than Kerry, and offers exactly zero in terms of solutions to America's problems!

Posted by: scrapster | September 8, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

We must thank our Liberal brothers and sisters. they have done three things we didn't seem capable of doing ourselves:

1. beating the clintons by using the angry left

2. pointing out that the Rs in congress were blind and needed to change their ways or lose every time. We don't need Rs who behave like Ds. It is always Rs who change things. how did we forget that?

3. rallying the despondent base around McCain. Only by choosing a neophtye ultra-Lib could this have happened. then they chose an old fossil gasbag to confuse the issue. McCain finally found himself and doubled down on Palin. the differences between left and righrt couldn't be more stark. When confronted with choices framed like this, the voters pick Rs every time.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 8, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

How is it that Palin is solid based on a well-delivered speech but Obama is paper thin?

Depends on what you want to believe going in...

Forget the economy and Iraq, the real question is whether you're more turned on by pit bulls than community organizers

Rick Davis is right. These elections are never about issues.

Posted by: john yates | September 8, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

WHY DID OBAMA NOT PICK HILLARY CLINTON AS VP? IF NOT HILLARY WHY DID OBAMA NOT PICK ANOTHER WOMAN FOR THAT SPOT? THIS WAS EVIDENTLY THE BEST ENVIRONMENT FOR US DEMOCRATS IN A LONG TIME. WHITE HOUSE SEEMED VERY MUCH WITHIN REACH. WHY WAS A WOMAN NOT ALLOWED THE PRIVILEGE OF BREAKTHROUGH WITH SUCH A WIND BEHIND OUR BACK? WHY?

Posted by: Insult upon injury | September 8, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

cindyp and Jersey John:

The Electoral Vote count will change too (as soon as Palin takes on Biden re: Banking/BK and lobbyists).

Posted by: JakeD | September 8, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

When you're writing about "bounces," it's really helpful to those of us who don't commit the polls to memory to remind us what the last poll said. I had to learn from another poster that the CNN poll hadn't budged -- which was kind of what I remembered, but I wasn't sure. As it turns out, McCain's so-called "bounce" in the Rasmussen and Gallup tracking polls is just a handful of points, and lots of independent observers have dismissed Gallup's "likely voter" methodology both this time, and the last time when they had Obama up.

You wouldn't be trying help ol' Johnny Mac out a little bit here by making his bounce look bigger than it is, would you?

Posted by: jac13 | September 8, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Look folks this is about electoral college delegate counts. This is almost over. http://www.realclearpolitics.com check the counts.

Vote Nov.4

Posted by: cindyp | September 8, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is "real?" What does THAT mean? I keep hearing that word used to describe her because she is apparently "relatable." Sorry to disappoint, but she's no more "relatable" to me, an white adult female with children, than an alien being from another planet. Just because she and I have two X chromosomes doesn't mean I 'relate' to her. I find her REAL conservative, REAL unexperienced, REAL shrill, and REAL negative. If Republican voters find her "relatable" then I guess they share those attributes as well.

Posted by: Lynette07 | September 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

But I have a cell phone and haven't been called yet. The polls are wrong, because they're not calling cell phones. McCain can't be winning, because he doesn't represent real change the way Obama does.

Posted by: Mary from Ohio | September 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

We all know (Bush gets elected) that it is not the national poll... it is the electoral collage... where Obama is clearly ahead.
Jersey John

Posted by: Jersey John | September 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Bias continues on all sides. It is hard for people that have bias blinders on to see the truth. The choice of a women, mother, and likeaable fiesty person with more experience than Obama makes for a real chance of a Republican presidOOnt for 4 more years. Obama blew it by eliminating Hiliary as his VP choice. Fear was the reason.

Posted by: Rich | September 8, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

But it's just not fair! It's Obama's turn! He's the change we've been waiting for!

Posted by: Blue State Lib | September 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Look folks this is about electoral college delegate counts. This is almost over. http://www.realclearpolitics.com check the counts.

Posted by: cindyp | September 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

While there is no doubt some "bounce" factor for the McCain/Palin ticket here, I believe this is a turning point in the campaign. More people watched the GOP convention than the Democrat convention, despite all the celebrity and entertainment factor in Denver.

Americans are starting to pay attention and to look at the candidates seriously. Senator Obama's celebrity status is starting to look unpresidential to many voters, and his lack of experience and complete lack of accomplishment in achieving any change will become more notice between now and election day.

If you are still undecided, ask yourself "Senator Obama talks about bringing change to the United States. But in his entire career as a community organizer, state senator, and then U.S. senator ... what change has he accomplished?"

Posted by: R.W. Destiny | September 8, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Two questions about the polls:

1. Are they sampling African Americans and young people properly. African American turnout is typically around 55%, 18-29 turnout is typically around 17%. If they are not representing those populations at 60% and 25%, respectively, the polls are under sampling.

2. How are the polls accounting for substantially higher Democratic registration and substantially higher excitement among the Democratic base? (the Democrats on a scale of 1-5, with 1 being "not very happy" and 5 being "very happy", are answering 4 or 5 at much higher rates than Republicans when asked questions of the ilk, "How excited are you about your candidate of choice?")

When citing polls numbers, it is very critical to cite the methodology and sample so that we can decide if the polls are BS or worth paying attention to.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

This is all Bush's fault...

Posted by: Rob Iola | September 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - when Russert left, so did I. do you really think that old fossil will come up with something interesting to say after failing to do so for 30 years.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"How is the chanting of change, change going to play in that venue?"

Funny how Johnny Mac is trying to steal the 'change' slogan. Would change without change be a change?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Andy R and kingofzouk:

Did either of you see Biden on MTP yesterday? The Obama campaign is still struggling on how to effectively counter Palin.

Posted by: JakeD | September 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Gov Palin jacked up the production tax on oil companies in Alaska. If Obama had proposed an increased production tax rather than the windfall tax (a terrible idea, in my opinion), would conservatives have agreed? Or are they gaving Palin a free pass?

Posted by: bsimon | September 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

This is a very important election year with all that is going on in our own backyard (economy) and overseas (Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Darfur, and on and on). So I think its important that we remember that what the candidates are "saying" now is important, but an advertisement of sorts. It would behoove the voting public to isten to sound bites by the media, and bloggers with some skepticism. Many things are taken out of context. For example, this morning I received an e-mail from a friend on a Vanity Fair article that accused Cindy McCain of spending about $300k on her RNC outfit. Much was made of it by the article and the bloggers as to how this was a snub against McCain/Palin attack of Obama being "elitist." However, as is often the case, there was no research to suggest whether these clothing/jewelry articles were on loan by the designer as is very often the case with high profile people. We should be discerning information not by what they are wearing, or what they are advertising, but rather based on all their actions/inactions prior to campaign and the merit and importance of these decisions. We can say the mantra "change" but in the end it is but a word or an ideal. We need to look at these individuals and hold them accountable to these ideals. From all I have seen and researched, only McCain-Palin have shown true change. They don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk even when it is unpopular to do so. They get high praise from me in that regard. Obama is a wondersul motivational speaker, and perhaps would be a great president one day, but frankly during our current state of affairs here and abroad, we can't afford his "analysis paralysis" when much of the world demands more immediate responsiveness. The stakes are too high to have him as our next president this election year. He needs more experience. Just watch this past Sundays interview on "This Week" with George Stephenapolis and you'll see what I mean about him not quite being ready to be first string quarterback right now. He needs more training otherwise he is bound to be - figuratively speaking - sacked, injured and we'll be crushed. We need someone with confidence and understanding the nuances to make real lfe hard decisions. This is NOT mock trial or moot court... This the real deal in difficult times!

Posted by: H Carey | September 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

It will be a great honeymoon until she has to debate Biden. Period.

Posted by: Andy R | September 8, 2008 1:34 PM

How is the chanting of change, change going to play in that venue?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

If you were served a meal that looked
good and smelled good, and then you
were offered a picture of a meal which looked truly outstanding, an epicurean delight, which would you eat?

Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying."

Sarah Palin is real. She is solid. She is not
posing. Obama is shaken. He tried to compare his presidential run to her mayorship, ignoring that her current job is much bigger than his.

He is posing as a big man who understands little men. Problem with that is revealed by Sarah Palin's whole being.

She is simply a person who is extraordinarily successful. She is not angry. She is not a victim. She is not an elitist. She does not put on airs. She has not practiced looking statesmanlike.

Her being trumps his story.

It doesn't look good for the Dems. When she said the presidency is not a journey of self discovery, it was a devastating blow.

When she pointed out that Obama can speak at length about the war and not use the word 'victory' once except to refer to his own electoral success, it was another devastating blow.

If the media were to dig into what a community organizer is...what he produced...how many jobs he "created", it would not look good on him.

Her powerful convention speech scrambled the dynamic at CNN. I never would have thought I would see Anderson Cooper musing out loud about the bias that is endemic to their coverage. And watching the female commentators interrupt the males saying, "No, you don't get it".

The Dems are in trouble. She is vulnerable
on a few points. But Obama's whole edifice, so artfully constructed, is creaking and threatening to crumble.


Posted by: Voolfie | September 8, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Just like my wife said all along: nominating Obama instead of Hillary means 4 more years of Republican administration.

Posted by: L.B. | September 8, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it amusing when all the kooky Libs who never cared if Obama ever answered one hard question, now demand that the VP pick respond to every single one they can invent?

funny, how the Libs are now against moms in the workplace?

Hey Libs, try to keep at least one story straight through the election would ya?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 8, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to get back on message that no matter who McCain chooses as his running mate, his real runnning mate is, was, and will always be George W. Bush.

Posted by: DC | September 8, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

It will be a great honeymoon until she has to debate Biden. Period.

Posted by: Andy R | September 8, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Gee I bet McCain/Palin really wish the election was today before the warm fuzzy feelings wear off.

The problem is we have 57 days for the shine to wear off and the hard questions get asked of McCain and Palin.

With troopergate, bridgegate, and a host of others this race in not yet run.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

That sound you hear is my crest falling. If the GOPs pull this rabbit out of the hat, I give up on this entire electorate. Print your "It's Not My Fault, I Didn't Vote for the McPalin Tic" now ...

Posted by: Lisa -- | September 8, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Clinton was ahead by more than 20 points nationally?

Count Obama out at your own peril.

Posted by: piktor | September 8, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Hard to get revved up one way or another about polls..The dems need to start peeling Palin's views away like an onion. Ask her why she wanted to ban books while mayor of BFE..and does she really think God told her the Irak war is a good thing..Once she is properly vetted by the dems then we'll see how enthused people remain about her and McClone...I think it is quite interesting that the McClone campaign is keeping her shielded from answering questions which she can't rehearse the answers to....

Posted by: TheIrishCurse | September 8, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Uh, the CNN poll doesn't confirm USAtoday. They showed an even race, before the Democratic convention, an even race after, and now an even race after the Republican convention.

Get it right.

Posted by: tibor75 | September 8, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

THE PALIN SELECTION AND THE DIMINUTION OF DEMOCRACY:
IS A SILENT COUP HAPPENING IN THE U.S.A?

• Could the Palin Phenomenon be a symptom of a seismic power grab that is transforming our government?

• Is the Palin selection part of a larger plan to seize control of the Executive Branch and make it beholden to another set of decision-makers -- unelected, entrenched, and in charge of the forces of power and control?

• Could the federal takeover of more than half of the mortgage market via the Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac bailout signal a turn toward autocratic control of the economy by hard-right conservatives who comprise the corporate/military/security complex -- what Eisenhower in his farewell address called the "military-industrial complex"?

• Could this seizure of economic control further the interests of those who are using government policy as "social engineering" to neutralize political opposition and transform society to suit their far-right ideology?

• Could this plan dovetail with reports from a Dutch newspaper this past week that the U.S. is planning to strike Iran's nuclear facilities?

• Could the fruition of the "Help America Vote Act," which led to the widespread use of electronic voting machines, the vast majority of which leave no voter-verified paper trail, also be part of this mosaic?

• Could John McCain's vacillations on the vice president issue and his eventual acquiescence to those who recommended Palin be part of a skillful campaign to influence and oversee his decision-making?

• Are we in the midst of a silent coup that is resulting in the loss of personal freedom via the extra-legal targeting of American citizens in an unconstitutional bypass of the judicial system, a denial of due process under the law?

• And is this power grab resulting in the emasculation of both Congress and the Judiciary, rendering those institutions little more than symbolic of power, when in fact power has been quietly usurped by unelected officials of entrenched institutions of power and control?

• Is anyone -- in the media, in Congress, in think tanks, in academia -- pondering these questions?

• If not, can we afford not to be asking these questions?

http://www.theocracywatch.org
http://www.nowpublic.com/scrivener - "Gov't Agencies Support Domestic Terrorism"

Posted by: Thomas Paine | September 8, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

This was strictly a convention bounce. It will probably work against the republicans in the long term because now Obama can bring the fight to them. He'll make McCain/Palin campaign in states they think they've won. He'll play rope-a-dope with them. McCain tires easily from the road and Palin has to keep returning to Alaska to be with her family. He will force McCain to spend money in areas deemed to be safe and when it comes down to the homestretch, McCain will be close to broke and road weary. Obama can stay on the road and when he goes home he can be brief and then campaign in the battleground states near Illinois.

Posted by: Bill | September 8, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign is trying to stretch the convention bounce by keeping Palin away from the press.

Posted by: bsimon | September 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Lovely photo. They make a great couple.

Posted by: Getafix | September 8, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

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