Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity

The Nashville Skyline Debate: First Thoughts



Tonight's townhall debate didn't yield much news -- which is probably a good thing for the candidate ahead in the polls. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

RESOLVED: There was no game changer.

Tonight's second presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain featured areas of agreement, a few areas of marked contrast on issues and absolutely no mention of Charles Keating, Bill Ayers or Tony Rezko.

As almost always happens in these one-on-one encounters, the candidates played far nicer with each other than their campaigns had been doing in the days and hours leading up to tonight's set-to in Nashville.

Our initial impressions -- beyond the fact that nothing much happened of import -- are below. Who did you think won the debate? And why? Sound off in the comments section.

Status Quo. By and large, both Obama and McCain stuck to their tried and true attacks on their rival. Obama cast McCain as a clone of the current president whose judgment on domestic and foreign affairs had been wrong time and time again. McCain painted Obama as a liberal who wants to raise taxes and increase spending in the midst of an economic crisis. No new ground was broken. Obama, smartly, stuck to a script to avoid any sort of flub that could change the general direction of the race, which is a trend in his favor. McCain made the calculation that bringing up either Ayers or Rezko wasn't worth the potential backlash. Will he make that same calculation at the final debate on Oct. 15 if the poll numbers don't change measurably?

"That One." McCain's semi-condescending reference to Obama is already getting HUGE play in the immediate aftermath of the debate. The Obama campaign wasted no time in sending out an email out to its list highlighting the McCain comment and the cable news chatterers were all over it. Our guess? It was probably an off hand (read: unintentional) comment from McCain but in a debate almost entirely devoid of news or quotable one-liners, it stood out. And that is unlucky for McCain.

Town Hall Torture. The town hall format of this debate felt forced -- as if the Commission on Presidential Debates was in a room and thought: "Yeah, this will be different. The audience will be ON the stage! Hot damn!" Um, no. The few questions that were asked of the two candidates by audience members felt forced and there was never any sense that this debate was any different than any other presidential debate in the history of the world. The lack of a real town hall feel hurt McCain; he thrives off of audience interaction and banter and just couldn't get it with a group that was clearly scared stiff on camera. The one time McCain did make a connection -- with a veteran who asked a question about Iran and preemptive action -- was a highlight of the night for McCain but those sorts of moments were few and far between.

It's The Economy, Stupid. The entire first hour of the debate was dedicated to questions about the state of the economy and what each candidate would do to improve it. Obama was on his game early -- repeatedly bringing his answers back to McCain's ties to Bush and his own plans to offer a clean break with the last eight years. His answer about sacrificing some of his initiatives -- comparing it to a family's need to prioritize its budget in hard economic times. Obama flagged in the final 30 minutes of the debate when the topic turned to foreign policy but our guess is that MANY viewers were already channel-surfing by that point. First impressions in debates, as in life, matter most.

Ratings Killer. If last week's vice presidential debate was ratings gold -- the second most viewed debate in history -- then this one is likely to be ratings tin. (Is that a thing?) Two relatively cautious candidates debating a series of complex domestic and foreign policy issues versus the World Series of Poker on ESPN? Uh oh. (As -- almost -- always, Matt Drudge gets it right -- his headline on the debate: "BORING").

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 7, 2008; 11:25 PM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2008  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: The Nashville Skyline Debate: The Fix Twitters!
Next: VIDEO: The Fix Breaks Down the Debate

Comments

I find these attacks on Senator Obama desparate acts of desperate men and women. I can't imagine inciting a crowd to yell "Kill". It is utterly despicable. The relationship was, at best minimal, and Ayers is no longer the 60's radical, and Obama is no longer an 8 year old youngster who didn't even know him when he was a radical. It's too ridiculous to even talk about.

On the other hand, Robert Kennedy Jr, brought up a ver important relationshionship that Gov.Palin and her husband still have with the treasonous Alaska Independent Party. See Kennedy's Post today on Huffington Post,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Posted by: Icare2 | October 9, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

SEN. MCCAIN NEGATIVES DURING DEBATE:

* Sen. McCain pointed fingers and called names when talking about the economy. However, he did it only to Sen. Obama. Sen. McCain should have also talked about Clinton administration , Carter administration, Dem. party , Barney Franks and Chris Dodd involvement.

* Sen. McCain was non presidential when he pointed to Sen. Obama face and said "...that one.". (BTW, Presidential qualities = civilized, courteous, emotionally controlled).

* Sen. McCain kept looking at Sen. Obama constantly. This surely distracted Sen. McCain. Sen. McCain should have done it in a more natural way and fewer times.


BTW, Fox news did an investigative report about the Democrat involvement in current economic problems. This was a great report. FOX NEWS, please do more such report!! Also, Sen. McCain needs to talk about Dem. involvement in current economic problems.

Posted by: lazerboy | October 9, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I am a liberal and a democrat. But, I want the president of my country to be selected based on merits, and not by an overwhelming bias, and propaganda. I don't understand why the media (almost all of them) and liberal-leaning papers like WP, NY Times, LA Times, Boston Globe, etc jump all over, when William Ayers or Tony Rezko's connections with Barack Obama is discussed. After all, if Obama does not have anything to worry, is it not welcome that this thing comes out in the open. Should Obama be protected from any criticism? Didn't the media push us into the Iraq War? They failed us once, and fail us again. In 2000 election, it was painful for me to see the media glowing over Bush as the savior of White House's "integrity" and "morality". We know what we got. Now, it is the media's turn to brainwash everyone into believing Obama has done nothing wrong, and will do none. Please don't push your agenda on us. If there is a story about Obama and Ayers, investigate it, explain it. Don't attack those who bring it in the open. In fact, before Palin talked about it or Clinton brought it, the media should have done that. We don't believe in Hannity. We want YOU to do it for us. Ask Obama why he associated with Ayers, Wright, and Rezko so long and in so much depth. Let the world know what he has to say. Don't push Obama into the White House. Let him earn it. We deserve that, and you (the news media) need to earn that respect, by asking tough questions to Obama too. Don't be a propaganda machine for any party or any candidate. The reason I am a Democrat is because of the dislike I have for right-wing loud mouths. We don't need left-wing cover-up machines. If you believe Obama is good, he'll come out clean. BUT DON'T COVER IT UP.

Posted by: ronniesmith123 | October 9, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

McCain's ads have been mostly negative but they do raise an interesting question about Obama's past. Why can't Obama introduce honorable friends to vouch for his credibility while he were in Chicago? We need something other than Obama's books to tell us who he is. Is there anyone who can speak up for his community service or is it true that it was ACORN service? Did Obama reached outside of his black community and do something positive for the whites, and other ethnic groups in windy city? If he did, someone can vouch for him. The absence of people vouching for Obama service in Chicago speaks louder than negative ads! Does Obama have any credible friends in Chicago out side of his interesting church? If he does not, he is bad news!

Posted by: FloridaCounts | October 8, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot. Jeb Bush made sure that election was fraud free.

Posted by: 2Funny | October 8, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Hi floridarez:
How can someone talk about fraud on elections by Democrats after the scandal of Florida/2000, when "Family Bush" stolen the presidency from Al Gore - and last but nor the least "Ohio/2004"?. That "Florida/2000 affair" (a white "coup d'etat" with the Supreme Court) was typical of an African country or a Banana republic. A huge shame for America.
Republicans: throw a party with KKKK.

Posted by: brazilianRio | October 8, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

floridarez: were you equally concerned during the election that Al Gore really won?

Posted by: 2Funny | October 8, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm concerned about the massive reports of voter fraud across the U.S. - in particular with ACORN, the organization that Obama once worked for. With all these questionable "associations" in his past - Ayers, Rezko, Dohrn, Wright, Phleger - I'm growing increasingly worried about the possibility of Obama cheating his way into the White House. How much do we really know about this guy's past? Do we know enough to trust him with our nation?

Posted by: floridarez | October 8, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

McCaint is a spineless coward....

Watch his response on the :14 sec mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

...Why didnt McCaint talk about his running "nurse" peeeuuu Palin?

Neo-cons...please answer why his "pig" with lipstick was not mentioned......
Could it be because of 1200 dollar rape kits that victims pay in Alaska
Could it be because of the Alaskan Independence Party?
Could it be because of the Alaskan Independence Party sympathized with Timothy McVeigh.
Could it be because of AIP Founder Joe Vogel: “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government", “and I won't be buried under their damn flag." (Joe Vogel is buried in Canada.)
Could it be because of Vogels' rantings of ....“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Joe Vogel – Founder.
Could it be because of Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the A.I.P.: refers to the American soldiers in Alaska as "occupying troops."
Could it be because of Michael Hill, a representative of A.I.P., stated on Glen Beck’s program that the goal of the A.I.P. is to dissolve the United States and the Constitution.
Could it be because of a rally in Ft. Myers Monday, a crowd member screamed, "Kill Him" as Sarah laughed and cheered with the crowd.
Could it be because of a fake skinheaded sherriff waddles to the podium after peeeuuu and calls out Barack Hussein Obama to the crowd to further boos and chants of kill him...on Monday
Could it be because of a McCain rally, he asked, "Who is Barack Obama?" and a crowd member yelled out "Terrorist" as McCain held that silly smirk on his addled face.
Could it be because of the reprehensible type of political campaigning is typical of the desperation the Republican Party finds itself in, as their numbers in the polls fall like the stock market...and now even further...

Could it be because of the Alaskan Drug Enforcement report under Palin proved uneffective...

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/alaska.html

...Or could it be that McCaint forgot who she was...

....Or just that negative campaigning and negative pathetic ad's have a negative effect...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHW-RO1_WN0

Thanks But No Thanks..............

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

When Democrats dwell on something like McCain's reference to Obama as "that one," then you know something went terribly wrong with Obama's performance.

He was listless, he stuttered, and McCain seemed the far more energized man. McCain won the debate on points if not exactly on style. That makes three debates in a row that the Republicans have won.

Now all the Republicans have to do is make sure the country understands who is at fault for all the historic financial mess the Democrats created when they determined that they could force banks to forgo the age-old laws of finance and lend money to people were were credit risks.

Obama doesn't debate anymore, since he has nothing knew to say. He just poses. Eventually the American people will catch on. Remember: he ended his primary campaign with a string of losses in larger states. Acting like you are already President is not enough to win you the Presidency.

Posted by: theduke89 | October 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

QUOTE:
I would hate to be a young couple trying to get ahead under Obama.

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 2:40 PM
==============
Hey, just because you are old and maybe had some good luck, you shouldn't hate young couples.
-Neither should you rejoice in that so many both young and old couples have lost their houses during the Bush Republican administration.
-Stay away from hate if you want peace in your heart, for they can't both be together.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

When McCane tried to quote Roosevelt, he stumbled and said "Walk softly and carry a big stick", then corrected himself to "Talk softly".

It showed very well that McCain was trying to speak from memory and NOT from his heart, showing his contrived character.

Immediately Obama dropped a bomb on him.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 8, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain "does well" at his campaign's town hall meetings because they cherry pick the audiences and questions. It's easy to "connect" with a fervent (or in McCain's case lukewarm) supporter. What I was fascinated by was how McCain acted as if he had a cab waiting at the stage door and couldn't wait to get out of there. That left Barack and Michelle Obama at least 20 minutes of free air time shaking hands, talking, listening, signing autographs and getting photos snapped. Although I'm not too happy w/ the ex-pres right now, it was a Clinton moment where you saw him connecting in ways not always seen. And that was the backdrop to the CNN analysis and only served to reinforce the fact that it was Obama who appeared presidential, comfortable and commanding last night. And for McCain's gaffe ... it's going to be his "Poland" moment -- I've already ordered my tee shirt saying "I'm Voting for That One" and I'm not alone....This One is voting for That One.

Posted by: Omyobama | October 8, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

You people with the KKK analogies are funny... look at their website... they support Obama you morons... just like Putin, Hesbolah, Iran, Korea, Chavez.... don't you even wonder why they support Obama???

PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE NOT THAT STUPID!!

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

ECONOMY 101:

This crisis started aprox 30 years back when a dem started this initiative for housing poor people... noble albeit impossible to fund. This idealology has been a stronghold with the dems ever since... again... noble IDEA.

We got off of the gold standard with our money and decided to drive our economy from a debt platform... debt is rewarded... intelligence is punished.

Aprox 19 yrs ago we loosened up regs that allowed for faster playing between investment firms.

Under Clinton we heavily pushed this loosening of standards for borrowing money.. especially for low income individuals... in fact the dem policies made it impossible for a bank to use any viable standards whatsoever... America danced... but did not pay the fiddler.

Under Bush... when he first got into office he did make suggestions to get our economy back into check... then 9/11 hit... and the war... which at the time pretty much every dem supported as well... hypocritical finger pointers.. to keep the economy going the bubble was allowed to inflate some more. To his credit, 4 times he advised congress to get fannie and freddie under control... the dems fought it. McCain spoke 2x and co sponsored a bill to get it under control... the dems blocked it right down party lines... and now the dems want to blame Bush????

This whole problem can be tied directly to the dems.... including Obama who was the 2nd biggest pocket padded by Fannie and Freddie and that's in addition to the work he did with ACORN which is proving to be a far leftist group. Obama says he'll fix the problem but the truth is he's been part of the problem ever since he got in office.

But the average American has not sought out the facts and therefore will probably reward Obama for being the problem.

Although this is not funny... it could be called ironic.

Be prepared to have the same America Jimmie Carter had.... Obama has the same policies. We'll be headed towards double diget inflation, unempolyment, higher taxes, and higher interst rates... and it will probablt ake us 12-16 yrs to recover from his presidency... just like it did Carter. I'm glad my house is paid off.. I would hate to be a young couple trying to get ahead under Obama.

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

scrivener50: [[Nor does it seem an accident that at the very moment of Palin's invective, someone in the crowd, well within the range of the podium microphones, yelled out "Terrorist!"]]
-------

Well-written post, but with one error: it was at a McCain rally that someone yelled "terrorist!" while John himself was smearing Barack Obama as some sort of shady character who's hiding his true nature. Both McCain and Palin's campaign events are beginning to resemble Ku Klux Klan rallies as they desperately try to bring down Obama. I'm becoming increasingly concerned that one of the crazies whom McCain and Palin are whipping into frenzies might act on the hateful impulses they're cultivating.

Posted by: Spacer | October 8, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The neocons are trying to sell another case of "the dog ate my homework".

The Republican's are now saying the it wasn't really a town hall format. Or, else McCain would have whipped Obama's butt.

They're already preparing for November's defeat by saying that McCain lost because he wasn't a true conservative. Also, the neocons ascribe the Bush Administration fiasco to the fact that he too was never a true conservative.

The neocon rightwing nutjobs always have some excuse why their position didn't do the job.

The neocons never look in the mirror and see the real reason for their continuing failures.

Posted by: Continuum | October 8, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear Brazillian moron,

I do not think you would have any idea of America or Americans... we have never in our past be supporters of socialism.

Now.... most... the vast majority of european countries that are socialistic have:

MUCH HIGHER TAXES... 53-72% jackass

Much higher unemployment - double digit

much higher inflation - thayt's double digit as well

lower agregate standard of living

And the few countries you mentioned have grown their economies through lower business tax structures... McCains plan

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama's main strength is that he alters his position every five minutes to adapt to the crowd. OBAMA IS B*LLSH*TTING YOU!

I guess you don't understand why Obama voted "present" 130 times in the Illinois legislature rather than taking a position with a yes or no vote. It's so he won't have to commit to anything. You say that makes him "smart?" Then I'll say Obama's intelligence is inversely related to yours. By the way, have you figured out yet why Obama voted in favor of the FISA legislation after he told us he would filibuster against it? It's because HE IS A LIAR!

And it's true that "experience" might mean nothing to people here who have just finished high school. McCain must seem like their great grandfather. But let's just recall, Obama has 4 years experience in the U.S. Congress. McCain has 26 years experience. McCain had fought in Vietnam and led a Navy training squadron before Obama even left high school. The presidency of the U.S. is not the place for "on the job training."

Now, some guy here (who appears to be smoking something) says that Obama has a lot of "smart" friends on his campaign staff (300 to be precise) who are ready to hold his hand if he gets elected. Who else will be holding his hand--Ayers? Wright? Rezko? Auchi? Farrakhan? Trust Obama...after all, he wants you to trust him.

Posted by: ttj1 | October 8, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Hy Kdog1:
All Scandinavian countries have grown their economy through government and have the best human life indexes in the world.

Posted by: brazilianRio | October 8, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Get over it people. By "that one", he was only referring to "that one" versus "this one" because they are both Senators. He could have said not this one, that one. The only reason this is an issue is because the liberal media, you included Chris, is beating the drum initiated last night by the Obama campaign. Then again, maybe it was a high compliment for Sen. McCain to say "that One", as the liberal media believes Obama is the chosen "One".

Posted by: bckelly1 | October 8, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

It is SCARY when you consider the educational comparisons, as follows:

Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna C. Laude

Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 of 899

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

Posted by: brandonkearney | October 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

This was a "status quo" debate, all right. The CNN and CBS polls of real live Americans showed Obama won, just like in the first debate and like Biden's win in the VP debate. And the pundits, annoyed with these polls' results, declare the debate "a draw." Same old same old.


BTW: the CNN and CBS polls are chosen to to be representative of the general population; they aren't like the stupid AOL straw poll that always shows a Republican winning from a self-selected bunch of Republicans who dominate on AOL for some reason.

Posted by: Spacer | October 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

WAS "THAT ONE" JUST ANOINTED BY AN ANGRY McCAIN?

"That one."

With two little words, John McCain 2008 buried John McCain 2000, and his hopes of ever reaching the White House -- honorably, at least.

The climax to what seemed to be a well-rehearsed body blow, "that one" suddenly became the president-in-waiting, the only potential presidential visage left standing.

The comment was mean, contemptuous, and, it could be argued, racially insensitive. It immediately conjured up thoughts of the Old South, a world where white men referred to blacks as "boy" or "that boy," a world where white men couldn't bear to look a black man in the eye, lest he be viewed as worthy of such common social courtesy.

The comment may explain why McCain seemed so incapable of anything more than a quick glance at Obama during the previous debate.

"That one" wasn't the only one. McCain blurted out a couple other pearls of persnickedyness during last night's otherwise dull proceedings. He condescendingly suggested to a young adult who happened to be black that prior to the financial crisis, "you probably never heard of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."

Even moderator Tom Brokaw fell victim to McNasty, who was asked who he might choose as his treasury secretary. "Not you," McCain snapped back incomprehensibly, calling to mind the phrase, "Angry old man shouting at cloud."

But do McCain's displays of pique signal something more troubling, more menacing, than the mere rantings of a crabby senior senator? His deprecating demeanor comes on the high heels of Sarah Palin's McCarthyistic slanders against a Barack Obama -- who, in her world view, is "palling around" with a "known domestic terrorist."

Nor does it seem an accident that at the very moment of Palin's invective, someone in the crowd, well within the range of the podium microphones, yelled out "Terrorist!" And another voice in the crowd could be heard shouting, "Kill him!"

Whether the shouter was referring to the supposed terrorist Bill Ayers or Barack Obama is irrelevant. The point is that someone in the McCain campaign hears these responses to their candidates' invectives. Their response? Mostly, deafening silence.

Is it the silence of an insidious, premeditated evil? At what point does McCain campaign rhetoric cross the line from hyperbole to an incitement to violence? In the case of Sarah Barracuda, that line already may have been crossed.

And it wasn't' just the roar of an angry crowd that got ugly. At a recent Sarah Palin rally, a uniformed police officer who was doing an introduction referred to "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" (the emphasis was his). The crowd roared its approval; but was the remark something of a coded message by an authority figure that it's now open season on the Democratic nominee?

To invoke a much-worn phrase, "Words matter" -- especially when those words may have been sanctioned, or at the very least, countenanced, by the officials of America's ruling political party.

These are troubled times; the true causes of the current economic tumult are yet to be discerned. Could there be a connection between the economic chaos and provocative political rhetoric? Are combatants in this battle for power searching for scapegoats to blame for the downturn? Is reckless political rhetoric intended to spark a class war, or a race war, easing the way for an ugly victory of one ideology over another?

Such questions may seem far-fetched. But the notion of a global economic meltdown seemed far-fetched just a few months ago.
Better to ask these questions and search for answers now, before voters finally decide which side they should be on.

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 8, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Kdog1,

What's your source on this?

Posted by: mbacha1 | October 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Hy, armpeg
A suggestion to your future McCain/Palin administration: to kill all Muslims, bomb all their countries - go Africa and also kill the blacks. Your KKK will express gratitude...

Posted by: brazilianRio | October 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing how many lefties comment on how Obama "looked", "sounded", "charisma", and other rather meaningless dribble???

It does not matter how the president looks or sounds.... it matters what he does.

Obama has been a consistent socialist, tax raiser, liberal spender, and anyone like that in power in the middle of a down cycle will really screw thing up... we'll be remembering when the dow was actually over 9,000 as the good old days.

There is no such thing as free health care... we are not promised such in the bill of rights nor the constitution... the same thing is true with college education... house ownership... or anything else Obama wants to promise you to buy your vote.

We now have a system where in less than 20 years over 1/2 of our population will be wanting the government to pay for their existence. What ever happened to work for a living... live within your means.. be responsible???

By the way... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A COUNTRY TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT DIRECTION AND STAY SLOVENT IN ANY WAY.... SHAPE... OR FORM.

Big government does not produce any goods for sell... if you grow the economy through government you will break the bank.... and totally bankrupt its people.

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Palin opened a door to McCain's relationship with a former Viet Cong terrorist

By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
October 6, 2008

Palin opened the door to vetting McCain on his post-Vietnam War relationship with the late Vo Van Kiet.

Kiet was a Viet Cong terrorist in South Vietnam who rose through the communist ranks to become Vietnam's Prime Minister and McCain's political friend. Kiet served as prime minister from 1991 until 1997.

McCain blocked a May 1992 attempt by former Vietnam POWs Larry Stark, Dan Pitzer, and Jose Anzaldua to have the Bush administration investigate Kiet for ordering the executions of American POWs.

McCain traveled to Vietnam in October 1992 to collaborate with Kiet and other communist leaders on how best to remove the POW/MIA issue as an obstacle to normalized trade and diplomatic relations between Vietnam and the United States.

While in Vietnam, McCain and Kiet warmly greeted each other reaffirming both their governments' desires for early normalization of relations and accelerated cooperation to resolve the issue of Americans missing in action. McCain has since referred to Kiet as his "friend."

McCain's chummy meeting with Kiet gave President Bill Clinton much needed political cover to lift the Vietnam trade embargo and withdraw U.S. opposition to Vietnam's access to multi-million dollar loans from the International Monetary Fund. Clinton did so before Veterans Day 1993, a move that jump started Hanoi's troubled economy. The about-face also removed any incentive for that country's leaders to explain the fate of U.S. prisoners of war who were in Vietnam's possession, but not released at the end of the war.

More

http://www.usvetdsp.com/oct08/mccain_kiet.htm

Posted by: info4 | October 8, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Tax plan:

1. Small main street businesses would be forced to pay tax rates as high as 62.3% under Senator Obama’s tax proposals.
2. Senator Obama’s tax plan would tax small businesses at a higher rate than large corporations!
3. Taxes on retirement income and savings could increase by at least 33%, hitting millions of seniors when they need these resources the most.
4. 4 million workers over the age of 50 – those eagerly looking forward to retirement – would be hit with increased tax bills.
5. Millions of Americans would only keep 38 cents of every dollar that they earn.
6. Senator Obama’s tax plan would reduce the after tax wages of millions of workers by 17.7%.
7. 97,065 carpenters, 110,908 police officers, 254,992 nurses, 208,562 postsecondary teachers and 237,000 dentists would see tax increases, if the earnings cap was successfully eliminated.
8. 10.3 million workers would see an average of $5,650 taken from their paycheck and given to government programs.

If Obama's presidency lives.... America's greatness dies.

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I dont understand why no-one is following the money trail, 50mill from Anneberg and 50Mill others that Ayers put Obama up as FRONT MAN to distribute to ACORN and other leftest organizations. I think they ripped Anneberg off. I wrote Anneberg suggesting they express their regrets for that program. 100million to brainwash our children.

Posted by: djmelfi | October 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

THE Admiral SON.

In Oct. 26, 1967, the admiral's son while flying his 23rd mission over North Vietnam, once again fell from the sky, this time landing in the hands of a brutal enemy. He was beaten and bayoneted. His shoulder was smashed and his right calf was nearly perpendicular to his knee.
The severely wounded McCain was finally thrown on the back of a truck and hauled to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp. Immediately, his captors began to interrogate him using sadistic methods they had perfected on hundreds of captured U.S. servicemen before him.

His interrogators demanded military information. When he refused, his guards kicked and pounded him mercilessly.
McCain admits that three to four days after he was captured, he promised the Vietnamese, "I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
McCain also admits that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given "special medical treatment" because of his promise.
He claims he was given medical care normally unavailable to captured Americans only because the Vietnamese learned he was the son of Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific including those fighting in Vietnam.

The Vietnamese figured that because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank that he was of royalty or the governing circle in the United States. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince"and treated him as a "special prisoner."

Less than two weeks after McCain was taken to a hospital, Hanoi's press began quoting him giving specific military information, including the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, numbers of U.S. pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight, information about location of rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.
There is also evidence that McCain received "special" medical treatment from a Soviet physician.

After he was out of the hospital, McCain continued cooperating with the North Vietnamese for a period of three years. He made radio broadcasts for the communists and met with foreign delegations, including the Cubans. He was interviewed by at least two North Vietnamese generals one of whom was Vietnam's national hero, General Vo Nguyen Giap.

On June 4, 1969, a U.S. wire service story headlined "PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral," reported one of McCain's radio broadcasts: "Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of the United States commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.
McCain says he violated the Code of Conduct only when the North Vietnamese brutally tortured him. He further claims that he was so distraught afterwards that he tried to commit suicide. He has never explained why his "aid to the enemy" continued for more than three years.

Even though there are no reports in the public record from other POWs who witnessed McCain's claims of torture and heroics or his attempted suicide, the American media has accepted his version of events word for word, no questions asked.

Yet, the same press that transformed the admiral's son into an "incredible war hero--an inspiration to all Americans," vilified the two grunts.
Comparing the incidents surrounding the fates of three POWs,' who collaborated with the enemy, makes one question why two faced possible execution for treason, while the third won acclaim as a hero fit to be President of the United States.
Once more, Lady Luck had smiled on John McCain . . . or was it the admiral?


Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I wish the candidate would discuss global poverty more. According to The Borgen Project:
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget

Posted by: diana9 | October 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Are you just crazy. In most of those countries Muslim's are like 1 to 2% at most. What, you got some nutty email today you want to pass along.

------------
I find it hilarious that UK's Guardian and other European news services are worrying that a US McCain Palin government would further estrange the Europeans from us Americans, when their own governments are slowly but surely being taken over by the Islamic people without a shot fired. As ex-Brit Mark Steyn and others have warned about in many of their columns and interviews, the liberal old Europeans countries immigration policies, and the fact that European families generally have about 1.5 or so children per family while the Muslim families have 5 to 6 per family will eventually make the white Europeans minorities in their own countries (you need 2.1 children per family to just replace the existing population). Along with this family birthrate difference, the liberal Europeans are allowing all these new Muslim Europeans to bring in their relatives who then, once established, start new Muslim families who then have 5 to 6 children also. Since these European Muslims don't assimilate but keep their culture intact within the European community, it's estimated that by 2030 or so many of the old European countries like the UK, France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, and others will have Muslim controlled governments. It's not surprising that the Europeans who are already kow-towing to their Muslim communities ever-stronger political voice within their governments, would prefer a Barack Obama US government rather than a McCain one. Small wonder then that the Europeans are getting more and more estranged from us Americans. It's not because we're changing but it's they who are changing from white European controlled governments to a Muslim controlled ones.

Posted by: armpeg | October 8, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

It may be a debate where it didn't change anyone's mind but I think for people just turning in to view the candidates in this debate McCain came off as old and condescending. He looked stiff as he moved around. When I heard him say, "That one," I thought that was more of his condescending lack of respect attitude, the same one he showed in the Republican debates towards Romney only less angry. Unless someone is super rich and doesn't care about the country's economic woes I don't see how anyone could vote for McCain he changes his mind on so many issues that he has to be names King of the Flip Floppers. Speak about big government now he wants the government to buy even more home mortgages for poor people after buying bad mortgage houses. McCain will spend this country into the ground. Billions on Iraq, billions on mortgages and tax cuts. Where will he pay for it all, his wife?

Posted by: info4 | October 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The only farts needign suppressing were the idiot ideas of Obama.

On energy:

Obama wants to throw 15 billion a year into the renewables... I'm all for investing in this area... but if anyone seriously thnks this will solve our problems and are willing to take that gamble... they need brain surgery. Obama is against any real drilling for oil or natural gas, against clean coal (by the time they get through all of the hoops Obama will place on them it'll never happen)... the same is true for nuclear... He is hoping that someone will figure out a plan because he doesn't have one.

McCain is for all of the above ... everything American which does include meaningful drilling, clean coal, naturla gas, tide, solar, wind, and anything else that comes along that has promise.

McCain has the better plan.

On the economy:

Obama wants to point fingers (hoping to distract people from the part his ties with ACORN, his votinig record, and the screw ups by the Dems in power played in this economi crisis.... and to be fair.. he is very effective in the misdirection game). He wants to give roughly 44% of Americans a "tax cut"... but by the time you take away the current Bush tax cuts that will equal and average $500.00 tax bill.... in addition he will give roughly 41% who don't pay any taxes anyway an additional welfare check. Now combine that with the tax rates he proposes on American businesses and small business in particular and America will really be in the toilet. THis morning on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX there were economists stating that our current continued selloff is in direct proportion to the polls ... Obama leading.. corporate America knows his ideas will tank any chance of a recovery.

McCain wants to lower taxes ON ALL BUSINESS NOT JUST "BIG OIL" in addition to a tax cut for 54% of Americans.... no welfare checks. His plan at least has a chance to succeed.... does not mean it would... but at least his could... Obama's has no chance.

McCain wins on the economy

On National Security:

DUH!!! Obama has had terrorists and socialists all throughout his history... why do you think every country or group that hates America that has made an endorsement endorses Obama????

McCain simply wins this hands down.

So remeber... if you vote for Jimmie Carter's second term (obama's platform) you should eagerly look forward to the same result... lets see.... oh yes.... double digit inflation... double digit unemployment.... interset rates over 18%... need I go on???

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I find it hilarious that UK's Guardian and other European news services are worrying that a US McCain Palin government would further estrange the Europeans from us Americans, when their own governments are slowly but surely being taken over by the Islamic people without a shot fired. As ex-Brit Mark Steyn and others have warned about in many of their columns and interviews, the liberal old Europeans countries immigration policies, and the fact that European families generally have about 1.5 or so children per family while the Muslim families have 5 to 6 per family will eventually make the white Europeans minorities in their own countries (you need 2.1 children per family to just replace the existing population). Along with this family birthrate difference, the liberal Europeans are allowing all these new Muslim Europeans to bring in their relatives who then, once established, start new Muslim families who then have 5 to 6 children also. Since these European Muslims don't assimilate but keep their culture intact within the European community, it's estimated that by 2030 or so many of the old European countries like the UK, France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, and others will have Muslim controlled governments. It's not surprising that the Europeans who are already kow-towing to their Muslim communities ever-stronger political voice within their governments, would prefer a Barack Obama US government rather than a McCain one. Small wonder then that the Europeans are getting more and more estranged from us Americans. It's not because we're changing but it's they who are changing from white European controlled governments to a Muslim controlled ones.

Posted by: armpeg | October 8, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

As a foreign observer I think America - and the World - now needs more a Peace hero than a war hero. A president who goes for diplomacy and alliances with other countries. GWB/Cheney and Republican administration have brought antipathy for USA from people all over the world with their unfair war against Iraq under a false pretext of the never found WMD. So, even when the topic turned to the foreign policy Obama ran out a winner.

Posted by: brazilianRio | October 8, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I was a debater in high school and college. We did Lincoln/Douglas style. As a political candidate, I had a few debates. The presidential "debates" resemble neither. These carefully staged, ridiculous wastes of time do little except provide fodder for "gotcha" attacks. And please, using the "just folks" as props onstage is so cynical I cannot even bear to think about it. It's so fake. Assuming I buy in to this format for a moment, can I just ask why people think the "town hall" style is a plus for McCain? He's terrible. Like Erica Jong wrote, he strides around, grimacing, looking like he's trying to "suppress a fart." After the way he blew out of there right after the event ended, I think he's actually trying to suppress his revulsion for the folks.

Posted by: soonerthought | October 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

A succinct editorial from Jonathan Freedland of the British newspaper 'The Guardian' on the upcoming US election.

'If Sarah Palin defies the conventional wisdom that says elections are determined by the top of the ticket, and somehow wins this for McCain, what will be the reaction? Yes, blue - state America will go into mourning once again, feeling estranged in its own country. A generation of young Americans - who back Obama in big numbers - will turn cynical, concluding that politics doesn't work after all. And, most depressing, many African - Americans will decide that if even Barack Obama - with all his conspicuous gifts - could not win, then no black man can ever be elected president.

'But what of the rest of the world? This is the reaction I fear most. For Obama has stirred an excitement around the globe unmatched by any American politician in living memory. Polling in Germany , France , Britain and Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities, with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America . If November 4 were a global ballot, Obama would win it handsomely. If the free world could choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama.

'The crowd of 200,000 that rallied to hear him in Berlin in July did so not only because of his charisma, but also because they know he, like the majority of the world's population, opposed the Iraq war.. McCain supported it, peddling the lie that Saddam was linked to 9/11. Non - Americans sense that Obama will not ride roughshod over the international system but will treat alliances and global institutions seriously: McCain wants to bypass the United Nations in favour of a US - friendly League of Democracies. McCain might talk a good game on climate change, but a repeated floor chant at the Republican convention was 'Drill, baby, drill!', as if the solution to global warming were not a radical rethink of the US's entire energy system but more offshore oil rigs.

'If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush - Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.

'Until now, anti - Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti - Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once - in - a - generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for.

'And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that 'the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self - interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race'.

'Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, 'historical decline'. Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is 'not about the issues.'

'Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the 'candidate of Europe ' and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America , that the world's esteem is now unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.'

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | October 8, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Want a foreign policy run by foreign lobbyists? Vote for McCain. This is not only dangerous buy absolutely REEKS.

"McCain Lobbies For Taiwan Arms Sales After Taiwan Signs Lobbying Contract With His Adviser’s Firm

The Bush administration is currently in discussions to send $6 billion in arms to Taiwan. Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) sent a letter to President Bush, urging him to “add more submarines and new fighter jets to the package” as Taiwan had requested:
“The package will not include submarines or new F-16 aircraft. I urge the administration to reconsider this decision, in light of its previous commitment to provide submarines and America’s previous sales of F-16s,” McCain said. “These sales — which could translate into tens of thousands of jobs here at home — would help retain America’s edge in the production of advanced weaponry and represent a positive sign in these difficult economic times.”

McCain’s desire to increase arms sales to Taiwan, however, raises questions about yet another conflict of interest involving his chief foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann, who previously lobbied for the Taiwanese government. The Washington Post reports:

In 2005, Scheunemann signed the contract between his firm, Orion Strategies LLC, and Taiwan’s Washington office. On June 4 of this year, his partner, Mike Mitchell, signed a renewal of the contract, which calls for quarterly payments of 50,000.

Scheunemann represented Taiwan from 2003 to March 2008 at Orion. The LA Times reported that McCain has pushed for pro-Taiwan legislation, as Orion’s lobbying forms cite “bills benefiting Orion’s other foreign clients: Latvia, Macedonia, Romania and Taiwan.”

Scheunemann introduced McCain to a representative of Taiwan as it lobbied for free trade. In all, Scheunemann’s firm has lobbied McCain or his aides on at least 47 occasions since 2001 on behalf of the governments of Taiwan, Macedonia, Romania and Latvia.

Matt Duss notes that Scheunemann has lobbied for Lockheed-Martin, the world’s largest defense contractor, which manufactures the F-16s that McCain is demanding the U.S. give to Taiwan. Scheunemann had also been employed as a lobbyist for Georgia at the same time he was providing foreign policy advice to McCain, lobbying McCain himself nearly 50 times between 2004 and 2007."

Posted by: drindl | October 8, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Call me age-ist, call me shallow, but I am not blind. "My friend", John McCain, was channeling Pope John Paul last night and I could envision him propped up in the bucket of a cherry picker addressing the nation and the world. It was a knock out punch for McCain if I ever saw one.

Sorry, John. Your best years are behind you, though I do respect you.

Posted by: lauried1 | October 8, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

So, Drudge believes that a debate between two candidates for the most consequential office in the world is less interesting than watching the World Series of Poker.

When entertainment trumps importance, I fear that America's Roman era of bread and circuses has arrived.

Posted by: Burkean | October 8, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ChrisDC writes
"I've got to say that the "that one" comment was nothing but McCain being jokey and cute. Sort of like when he made the "not you" comment to Tom Brokaw. There wasn't anything condescending about it."


I agree. There are far more interesting policy discussions to be had. Imagining offense in an offhand remark is distracting & irrelevant.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 8, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"What about McCain's mention of Medicare in the debate. Did anyone else find that suspicious? I had heard that he is going to decrease Medicare by 1.2 trillion dollars. McCain is saying that amount can be cut by finding abuses in the program. I think it means severe cuts"

What I found surprising was his proposal to round up a panel of experts and figure out what to do about Medicare. While the idea isn't 'bad' per se, what was surprising is that he apparently hasn't done this yet. Isn't it customary for presidential candidates to start collectiong ideas & making proposals before the election? He basically said, to me, "I haven't thought much about it yet, but once elected I'll find someone who has & let them figure out a solution."

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 8, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.

aka Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 8, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse


Before the debate Mccain held a brief conference with some of his supporters. We were lucky enough to have someone in there with a cell camera to catch some of Mccain's comments.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg1Rynsy6k4

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Sen. John McCain clearly won last night's debate.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.

Posted by: hclark1 | October 8, 2008 11:02 AM


This is about as much substance as we've had all campaign from Sen. McCain. I was wondering what Sen. McCain said last night that you agreed with, as a "Democrat"?

Posted by: mbacha1 | October 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The problem with the drilling is, it is only viable with prices at around $150.00 to $200.00 a barrel. They estimated that in the futures dollars it would cost them $100.00 a barrel just to find and drill the oil. Unless it is government subsidized, no one is drilling for anything. In fact, if they do drill, that new oil will the most expensive oil ever sold and it will probably go over seas. No one here will be able to afford it. Since the moratorium has expired and drilling sites will be up for lease oil companies can get some of those leases. problem they will not even be available for five years. Tack that on the the other 10 or so years to get it out of the ground and it will be 15 years before any of it comes avalable. Again, it is never happening anyway unless they can sell it for $200 a barrel.
This is one of the biggest cons ever run on the American people. They actually think they are going to have cheap gas. More like $8.00 to $10.00 a gallon if it ever happens at all.

---------------
MCAIN: "Oil drilling offshore now is vital so we can bridge the gap between imported oil ... and it will reduce the price of a barrel of oil. ... We've got to drill offshore and do it now."

THE FACTS: The government estimates that opening the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and eastern Gulf of Mexico to drilling "will not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030." Even then, it would only increase domestic oil production by 3 percent.

Since he refuses to vote for alternative energy unless it involves drilling, I guess this is Sen. McCain's energy plan?

I think Sen. Obama was more specific on his tax plan, and the difference between
Sen. McCain who would give his biggest cut to the top 5% (Tax Policy Center)

Sen. Obama also scored points on health care, being more specific on his plan, and being direct to the false statements made about his plan. While Sen. McCain called health care a responsibility, Sen. Obama followed the standard set by Sen. Ted Kennedy calling it a right.

As far as foreign policy, Sen. Obama again surprised the 'experts'. Sen. McCain said we should "talk small", so Obama throws Sen. McCain's own comments about Iran, N. Korea, and "Baghdad's next" at him. On Iraq specifically, bringing up the judgment by Sen. McCain to agree taking resources from Afghanistan to invade Iraq was strong. With the reasons for invading Iraq proven false, and Sen. McCain saying it would be cheap and quick, and saying we would "muddle through" in Afghanistan, and now the situation much worse in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and Sen. McCain saying "I know how to get bin Laden" and yet he won't tell anyone? How can McCain attack Obama's judgment after this?

Posted by: mbacha1 | October 8, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama was better last night than he was at the first debate. He was much more comfortable and relaxed. He was also able to go further in ever in demonstrating his moral, principled approach to his leadership. His comments regarding the AIG fat cats provided some satisfaction to the Americans who are outraged by such heinous behavior, but they were also constructive in applying reasonable and thoughtful justice in this difficult situation. He has finally started to tap this very crucial national mood that is angry and fearful and wants to get a sense of a leader who not only wants to do something different but provides some glimmer of how they would facilitate such changes. Forcing these goons to return their party money to the Treasury and firing them goes so much further than just lashing out. The more he can find similar nuggets the more Americans will view his health care and tax cuts as potential for delivering a fair deal that has eluded us for so long.

McCain’s “new program” for the housing crisis might have mattered a month ago, but so much more has happened that now it sounds quaint. There were hundreds of analysts who have been calling for this approach for a very long time. It is also part of the plans that are in the works. Anyone who thinks this is a new idea is a fool. McCain continues to demonstrate that he is about 30-120 days late on almost everything he says or thinks. Americans want to hear more than platitudes and meaningless attacks on financial crooks. McCain hasn’t offered any new ideas. Everything on his plate is recycled from old campaigns.

Posted by: TeddyRoosevelt | October 8, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Sen. John McCain clearly won last night's debate.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.

Posted by: hclark1 | October 8, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

What about McCain's mention of Medicare in the debate. Did anyone else find that suspicious? I had heard that he is going to decrease Medicare by 1.2 trillion dollars. McCain is saying that amount can be cut by finding abuses in the program. I think it means severe cuts.

Posted by: pattycakes90 | October 8, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

We can lead the world in pioneering a green economy. We could have potentially every American family generate some form of clean energy to the point that we could have an energy surplus and then not only export green technology, but that green energy too. The largest energy consumer in the world could become the largest clean energy producer in the world. That is a sacrifice the American people need to make.

We also need to live within our means. We have to give up our consumer-driven economy. That is another sacrifice we need to make.

Both of these sacrifices will go a long way towards healing our economy. Neither candidate mentioned these in response to a question.

Posted by: steeleswitters | October 8, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Something else interesting,
When Sen. McCain brought up the money received from Fannie and Freddie, and Sen. Obama came back with Rick Davis, did you notice that's the last time Sen. McCain even thought of going that route?

Posted by: mbacha1 | October 8, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

MCAIN: "Oil drilling offshore now is vital so we can bridge the gap between imported oil ... and it will reduce the price of a barrel of oil. ... We've got to drill offshore and do it now."

THE FACTS: The government estimates that opening the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and eastern Gulf of Mexico to drilling "will not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030." Even then, it would only increase domestic oil production by 3 percent.

Since he refuses to vote for alternative energy unless it involves drilling, I guess this is Sen. McCain's energy plan?

I think Sen. Obama was more specific on his tax plan, and the difference between
Sen. McCain who would give his biggest cut to the top 5% (Tax Policy Center)

Sen. Obama also scored points on health care, being more specific on his plan, and being direct to the false statements made about his plan. While Sen. McCain called health care a responsibility, Sen. Obama followed the standard set by Sen. Ted Kennedy calling it a right.

As far as foreign policy, Sen. Obama again surprised the 'experts'. Sen. McCain said we should "talk small", so Obama throws Sen. McCain's own comments about Iran, N. Korea, and "Baghdad's next" at him. On Iraq specifically, bringing up the judgment by Sen. McCain to agree taking resources from Afghanistan to invade Iraq was strong. With the reasons for invading Iraq proven false, and Sen. McCain saying it would be cheap and quick, and saying we would "muddle through" in Afghanistan, and now the situation much worse in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and Sen. McCain saying "I know how to get bin Laden" and yet he won't tell anyone? How can McCain attack Obama's judgment after this?

Posted by: mbacha1 | October 8, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Of course, Mccain is not fit to be a senator. With todays information I can't believe he has any supporters.


----------
Google these to learn more

McCain Songbird
McCain Adultery
McCain Lobbyists
McCain Big Oil Lobbyists
McCain Charlie Black
McCain USS Forrestal
McCain Rick Davis
McCain Temper
McCain Rick Renzi
McCain Deal Hudson
McCain The 4th Reich
McCain Infidelity
McCain Phil Gramm
McCain Enron Loophole
McCain Arizona Mob
McCain Kosovo KLA Muslim Terrorists
McCain Fortune
McCain Traitor
McCain Flip Flops
McCain Torturers' Lobby
McCain Manchurian

Moron Con Econ Terrorists like Old Adulterer Songbird Treasonous Traitor War Criminal Mass Murderer Corrupt McLobbyist & the Born Again Killer Retard will Destroy America and finish the job destroying the Economy after the Axis of Evil leaves.

Posted by: mawt | October 8, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Although I've decided to support Obama, I've got to say that the "that one" comment was nothing but McCain being jokey and cute. Sort of like when he made the "not you" comment to Tom Brokaw. There wasn't anything condescending about it.

What was/is condescending about McCain is that he and Palin are coming off as increasingly scripted and artificial these days. It's an insult to the so-called 'average American' that McCain/Palin think we don't see through them as they rehash their talking points. McCain used to be very likable, and one imagines Palin could be very likable if she were more genuine.

Meanwhile, Obama is connecting more with people because he's being himself and talking with, not at, his audiences.

Posted by: ChrisDC | October 8, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

comment from: Kdog1, Oct. 8, 2008 10:18 AM

"Am I actually hearing people say Obama won on substance???

Please tell me he has an energy plan....And if anyone believes wind and solar will be a real solution in the next few years you are idiots..."

The only idiot around is you, Kdog1. The Europeans set out just a few yrs ago to build enough wind power plants to supply one third of their annual electric power needs by 2015. In fact, they will beat that goal, meeting that mark by 2010, not 2015.

Wind energy power plants can be built in a matter of months. The biggest lead time is simply locating the specific sites where the wind is strongest 24/7 during each of the 4 seasons.

And, with the huge size and micro-electronics technology of wind electric power generation that is used today -- the cost of such power is less than 5 cents per kilowatt hr. That is why wind energy is one of several fully commercial and cost-effective renewable energy technologies on which the Obama energy plan is based.

Don't comment about things that you obviously know nothing about, Kdog1. It makes you look like an idiot. LesG

Posted by: les_ca | October 8, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse


MCCAIN WILL NOT SHAKE HANDS WITH OBAMA

It is strange that no one has mentioned Mccains refusel to shake hands with Obama when they are introduced. Obama puts put his hand and mccain just steps aside so his wife can shake hands with ignoring Obama. Below is a clip of about 10 seconds.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/blitzer-apparent-mccain-h_n_132830.html

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I thought that last night's debate was more of a tie than an actual win. But if I had to determine a winner it would be Barack Obama on sheer presence alone. After watching the entire debate, I felt that Obama definitely held himself together throughout the entire debate without getting rattled and without letting McCain score any points on him.

The two most pivotal points in the debate: When Barack Obama startled John McCain by bringing up the "Bomb Bomb Iran" diddy and the "annihilate North Korea" remarks. McCain was clearly startled and shaken by the mention of his prior gaffes, and his fumbling excuse for the "Bomb Bomb Iran" diddy fell flat. The other pivotal moment was post-debate, when the McCains rushed offstage and the Obamas remained for a considerable time shaking hands with the audience members. Small things -- such as making yourself available to the public -- are what makes some men great. It is in this vein that people like Michael Bloomberg have come to be so greatly admired by Americans. I think that Obama couldn't have done himself a better favor than to have remained with the audience for that additional time.

Posted by: sdecker | October 8, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

We want a Splurge, $Trillion Bailout of our Rich Wall Street Reckless Gambling Buddies
.
We want a Splurge, Trillions wasted fighting our Mindless Worthless Illegal Wars
.
My Friends, I was right about wasting Trillions fighting our Stupid Useless Illegal Invasions
.
My Friends, I want Trillions in Communist Bailouts of my Lobbyists Rich Wall Street Clients huge Gambling Losses. They need to get some Family Values for all their money spent on my Lobbyists Buddies
.
My Friends, the Born Again Killer Retard and me Old Adulterer Songbird Treasonous Traitor Corrupt McLobbyist intend to destroy America, so vote for us.

Posted by: mawt | October 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Google these to learn more

McCain Songbird
McCain Adultery
McCain Lobbyists
McCain Big Oil Lobbyists
McCain Charlie Black
McCain USS Forrestal
McCain Rick Davis
McCain Temper
McCain Rick Renzi
McCain Deal Hudson
McCain The 4th Reich
McCain Infidelity
McCain Phil Gramm
McCain Enron Loophole
McCain Arizona Mob
McCain Kosovo KLA Muslim Terrorists
McCain Fortune
McCain Traitor
McCain Flip Flops
McCain Torturers' Lobby
McCain Manchurian

Moron Con Econ Terrorists like Old Adulterer Songbird Treasonous Traitor War Criminal Mass Murderer Corrupt McLobbyist & the Born Again Killer Retard will Destroy America and finish the job destroying the Economy after the Axis of Evil leaves.

Posted by: mawt | October 8, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Kdog1 - Actually, Obama does have a very interesting energy plan. He wants to take a "shotgun" approach to achieve energy independence. He wants to distribute federal money to jump start a large number of behind a number of independent projects and see which ones work. At the same time, he has stated (repeatedly) that he wants a huge federal program to refine already proven technologies to power our transporttion infrastructure. This is the Danish model, where that country has achieved complete energy independence. When you remove all of the political nonsense, this is in no way different than what McCain has proposed. The only difference I see is that McCain thinks the private sector can/will fund this, and is prepared to allow this to take 20 years or more, whereas Obama thinks it is critical to our future and wants this within 10 years and is prepared to spend any amount of money to make it happen.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 8, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm so please, Obama did so well in spite
of Brokaw. We all know of Brokaw bias in
favor of McCain, but I did not except Brokaw would be openly disrespectful to Obama, by not extending the most common courtesy, Thank you.

Read the transcript of last nights debate counted, Brokaw said Thank you Sen McCain 7 times and only 2 times to Sen Obama. Commission of Presidential Debates made a very poor decision selecting Brokaw as a moderator, even after the commission received a petition, with 2,100 signatures requesting that Brokaw be removed, they still did not reconsider, now, today consenceous is Brokaw did a poor job as a moderator.

Posted by: drthome | October 8, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The $1 Billion Connection: McCain And His Lobbyists’ Clients
Campaign Money Watch, a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog group, announced today the result of a new analysis of the fees Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) lobbyist bundlers, advisors and staff members have collected from domestic clients over the past decade.
The total? A staggering $930,949,819.
“The McCain campaign relies on big money lobbyists, and they’ll rely on him,” said David Donnelly, director of Campaign Money Watch. “In the ‘you-scratch-my-back, I’ll-scratch-yours’ world of Washington, $931 million gets the special interests the best government money can buy. But just think of the payday these lobbyists might expect in a McCain Administration.”

Posted by: mawt | October 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

STILL UNDECIDED THIS FAR IN THE GAME?
In past weeks many have come clean about having regrets over electing Obama vs. Hillary. Republicans have taken advantage and placed a woman with no senate presence or knowledge of the senate as vice-president clearly using her as a mere bait for the Elections. I heard some people say that they will write in Hillary Clinton in the November ballot ...I didn't know that was possible but given that I'm so unhappy with the candidates I decided to do the same. Now I’m wondering how many people will use a write-in for Hillary Clinton on the November Ballot. -(A write-in candidate is a candidate in an election whose name does not appear on the ballot, but for whom voters may vote nonetheless by writing in the person's name.)

Even if it was unlikely that she could win at least I would be at peace with not given in a situation that has been forced from the beginning and all by voting honestly my way. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for any candidate this far in the game, if you are not satisfied with either candidate Obama or McCain you should vote for Hillary. Please pass on and post this info for others. You still have a choice.

Posted by: stellaooo | October 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Americans' retirement plans have lost as much as $2 trillion — in the past 15 months, Congress' top budget analyst estimated Tuesday.
.
$4.5 trillion wiped from global stock markets in a month
.
Biggest Bank Bankruptcies in History
.
Biggest one day stock market plunge in history, first daily $Trillion loss ($1.2 Trillion)
.
$28 trillion has been wiped off the value of global stock markets since Oct. 31, 2007.
.
Biggest Insurance Failure
.
Trillions lost in home values
.
Biggest Socialist Bailout in History
.
Trillions in Corporate Welfare to Bailout Rich Wall Street Gambling Buddies
.
Trillions wasted fighting Illegal Mindless Wars
.
The entire Investment Banking sector wiped away.
.
The S&P 500 slid 60.66 points, to 996.23, extending its 2008 tumble to 32 percent in the market's worst yearly slump since 1937. The DJIA dropped 508.39, or 5.1 percent, to 9,447.11, giving it a 29 percent retreat in 2008 that would also be the worst in 71 years.

Posted by: mawt | October 8, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

some of the comments on here...lol

Obama won. Obama is obviously at this stage going to be our next President.

and as far as the Pakistan thing...

What did Mccain think when George Bush said "if you harbor terrorists we will come after them"?

wasn't that one of what a bipartisan majority of people thought was Bush's highpoint.

was that statement wrong...

was bush wrongly signaling countries they need to deal with the issue.

McCain is as dumb as he is trying to be tactical

and as dumb as Palin is vitriolic... ...and dumb.

Posted by: klondike2 | October 8, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

He'll almost give 40 % of americans a tax break..... but after he repeals the Bush tax cuts that will be a net cost to these tax payers of $500.00
Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 10:18 AM

Sorry kdog, but that is a lie. Obama's tax plan does not repaeal the Bush tax cuts on those making less than $250,000. Take your lies and republican spin elsewhere.

Posted by: NMModerate1 | October 8, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

BORING is the word. Neither said anything. McCain looked old and didn't really appeared connected. Obama appeared to be playing it safe as if waiting for something to happen. "That one" was an off hand comment not derogatory but at least Obama didn't make it so that shows political character.

Posted by: crc42850 | October 8, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

This was the town hall appearance McCain has been pushing for? What a letdown. Everybody's been talking about how this format is his strength, and then ... the man uses the same talking points many people have heard already, waddles around the stage like The Penguin, tries to make jokes that fall flat (that "hair transplants" bit was a dig at Biden), etc.

McCain may feel he's doing well in this format when surrounded by his base, but in a mixed-audience debate, condescension and mockery don't work. Stripped of them and the approving feedback of an all-Republican crowd, McCain's energy was sapped.

Posted by: valandsend | October 8, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abu
-----------------
Reply:

Exactly right, it is a lot harder to say all his crap and lies with Obama right there staring at him and Obama never took his eyes off him. Obama stared a hole through Mccain most of the time. Mccain seemed a little unnerved. Mccain just looked like a frail old man. He is not even the man he was just a year ago. I think last night finished him off. He is not electable.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Am I actually hearing people say Obama won on substance???

Please tell me he has an energy plan.... so far his plan is to dump 15 billion a year into the energy sector for new tech and somehow this is supposed to be the end all of energy plans. He is against and substantive drilling for oil or natural gas - he has consistently been against real coal energy as his "standars" will prohibit any real use of caol... the same thing is true for his views on nuclear energy. And if anyone believes wind and solar will be a real solution in the next few years you are idiots... the tree huggers Obama hangs with will block any of the transmission lines needed to bring the energy main public. Obama did a great job of articulating an idiot idea.

Obama has always been a tax and spend lib... and he stayed true to that last night. He'll almost give 40 % of americans a tax break..... but after he repeals the Bush tax cuts that will be a net cost to these tax payers of $500.00. He will give 45% of AMericans a welfare check... like we need more welfare. After that it's all down hill... his tax structures on business will cause us to go back to the inflation and unemployment rates we had back with Jimmie Carter..... by the way Obama and Carter's platforms are pretty much identical - they sound good in theory - may even be well intended - don't work.

And isn't it sad that it took a huge economic catastrophe for Obama to do well???? That reaffirms the fact that he really is a total looser. People don't really like him... they are just reacting to the crisis.

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

In past weeks many have come clean about having regrets over electing Obama vs. Hillary. Republicans have taken advantage and placed a woman with no senate presence or knowledge of the senate as vice-president clearly using her as a mere bait for the Elections. I heard some people say that they will write in Hillary Clinton in the November ballot ...I didn't know that was possible but given that I'm so unhappy with the candidates I decided to do the same. Now I’m wondering how many people will use a write-in for Hillary Clinton on the November Ballot. -(A write-in candidate is a candidate in an election whose name does not appear on the ballot, but for whom voters may vote nonetheless by writing in the person's name.)
Even if it was unlikely that she could win at least I would be at peace with not given in a situation that has been forced from the beginning and all by voting honestly my way. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for any candidate this far in the game, if you are not satisfied with either candidate Obama or McCain you should vote for Hillary. Please pass on and post this info for others. You can still have a choice. If you have any questions you can email: stellaooo@hotmail.com

Posted by: stellaooo | October 8, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Oh and another thing about Alaska, which is not as off-topic as you think.

THAT STATE has received more than its share of Federal grants and hand-outs from taxpayers in the lower 49.

To get all so much in Federal giveaways and then decide you want to take your ball and go home, because every resident apparently is "entitled" to a couple of thousand bucks a year in oil royalties is ridiculous.

And Palin wants to put oil derricks off the coast of MY STATE, North Carolina??? We have some of the best beaches in the world (you can get a good look in the awful Nights At Rodanthe movie)---why in the hell would we want to risk an oil spill for at best, 7 months of gasoline into the economy?


Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 8, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"DEMOCRATS DO NOT LIKE OBAMA BECAUSE HE WILL COST US JOBS.
HE IS AFFILIATED WITH TERRORISTS.
OBAMA LACKS EXPERIENCE.
OBAMA IS A MIDDLE EAST PLANT TO RAISE OIL PRICES AND HE IS AL GORES CHIA PET.

OBAMA IS A SEXIST WHO CHARECTER ASSASSINATED HILLARY CLINTON AND SARAH PALIN. HE HATES WOMEN. WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR HIM

MCCAIN/PALIN 2008

Posted by: nsabetus"


Thanks, NSA. This is exactly what we were after. This paints both Republicans and PUMAs (People Up McCain's A$$) as totally unhinged and divorced from reality. Well done!

-The Dems

Posted by: irae | October 8, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

It was not the most entertaining debate I have watched...
I noticed a few mis-steps on behalf of both candidates...
One I thought got glossed over was McCain talking about how we helped in Afghanistan ...holding back the Russians..
Ok Senator..I remember it..didn't we ARM one Osama bin Laden ? Did we not trust that man with our arms and financial support?
Once again we support terrorists and ignore WHO supported them before they were against them..

I found it interesting that not one pundit caught it...Him talking about how good he is at foreign policy..and goes even further by reminding everyone ..we armed the man who attacked us on September 11th ,2001...OK maybe a lot of people missed it..but me personally..I would not be touting this as an achievement...

Barack came out strong in the opening half..He missed a few opportunities..but nothing that would really hurt him...

I noted Obama has to get the update about the surplus Iraq actually has..it is no longer 79 billion..but they still have money in the bank..and not borrowed money either.
It's that oil money that is supposed to pay for the war..I guess my memory is too long..because I have never forgotten the promise of not only George W Bush...but also Senator McCain in 2003..both of them told all of US it would not cost us a damned thing...
The other issue I take with Obama is that he needs to be honest about his tax plan..it does cover a huge amount of Americans..fact checkers have shown it would cover 95 % of FAMILIES...81% of ALL Americans..those numbers are still not bad...but they need to be told truthfully..
The debate did not give me any new information..then again...I knew who I was voting for months ago..
Anyone who says they are undecided are liars..they know..they just like the attention they get every 4 years..

Posted by: goddesscon2001 | October 8, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

To ignore who are Obama's friends is to ignore who he is as a man.
Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 8, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse
=============
reply:

I agree and you can line up Obama's friends probably for blocks. His advisory staff of 300 alone has some of the smartest people in the world including 4 of the leading people of middle east politics. Obama has a lot of friends people like Warren Buffett to name one all who would be happy to count themselves as Obamas friends.

Then we have what John Mccains friends say about him.

WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM BEST SAY ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN.......

"He is a vicious person"
Former representative Charles LeBoutillier R-NY
---------------
"An embarrassment to the party"
Arizona GOP state senator Susan Johnson
---------------
"There is nothing redeeming about John Mccain...he's a hypocrite"
Former house GOP whip Tom DeLay
-----------------
"The thought of him being president sends a chill down my spine. He is erratic"
Senator Thad Cochran, R- MS
------------------
"Hard headed is one way to say it. Arrogant is another way to say it. It's a quality about him that disturbs me".
Larry Wilkerson, former chief aide to Colin Powell
------------------
"What happens if he gets angry in a crisis...? It's the presidents job to negotiate and stay calm. I just don't see that he has that quality".
Former Arizona GOP chairman John Hinz
-------------------
"His temper would place this country at risk...and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind that should disqualify him"
Former Senator Bob Smith, R-NM
-------------------
"I decided I didn't want this guy anywhere near a trigger."
Senator Pete Domenici, R-NM

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I think the most important thing to come out of that debate last night...

is a very bad wolf "foxnews" showed that they might be the worst wolf in sheep's clothing that got us here over the last decade.

If there was any sign how out of touch and destructively manipulating the American people Fox News is

it is their poll from viewers on who won the debate.

Every other news agency and pollster has Obama winning...and they have it
90 to 10 Mccain.

"Fair and Balanced"

should probably not do those viewer polls anymore

as they show how a whacked minority can act like a national pool.

you want to know how we got HERE

the creation of Fox News a little over a decade ago...

isn't it funny that as soon as we have this new "news agency"

all this malarkey got spread...

and it happens to be a news agency started by a right wing partisan hack.

Only with Fox news being created could America be "frauded" into electing Bush Cheney.

Luckily this time America might learn.

Go look at how out of touch their poll of their viewers is with every other poll.

Posted by: klondike2 | October 8, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

More than most candidates, McCain seems believe he should be elected because he is uniquely virtuous. This seems to make him uniquely contemptuous of his adversaries, something casually revealed in his reference to Obama as "that one."

Posted by: officermancuso | October 8, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse


I agree and you can line up Obama's friends probably for blocks. His advisory staff of 300 alone has some of the smartest people in the world including 4 of the leading people of middle east politics. Obama has a lot of friends people like Warren Buffett to name one all who would be happy to count themselves as Obamas friends.

Then we have what John Mccains friends say about him.

WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM BEST SAY ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN.......

"He is a vicious person"
Former representative Charles LeBoutillier R-NY
---------------
"An embarrassment to the party"
Arizona GOP state senator Susan Johnson
---------------
"There is nothing redeeming about John Mccain...he's a hypocrite"
Former house GOP whip Tom DeLay
-----------------
"The thought of him being president sends a chill down my spine. He is erratic"
Senator Thad Cochran, R- MS
------------------
"Hard headed is one way to say it. Arrogant is another way to say it. It's a quality about him that disturbs me".
Larry Wilkerson, former chief aide to Colin Powell
------------------
"What happens if he gets angry in a crisis...? It's the presidents job to negotiate and stay calm. I just don't see that he has that quality".
Former Arizona GOP chairman John Hinz
-------------------
"His temper would place this country at risk...and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind that should disqualify him"
Former Senator Bob Smith, R-NM
-------------------
"I decided I didn't want this guy anywhere near a trigger."
Senator Pete Domenici, R-NM

---------------
To ignore who are Obama's friends is to ignore who he is as a man.
Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 8, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

This was the town hall appearance McCain has been pushing for? What a letdown. Everybody's been talking about how this format is his strength, and then ... the man uses the same talking points many people have heard already, waddles around the stage like The Penguin, tries to make jokes that fall flat (that "hair transplants" bit was a dig at Biden), etc.

McCain may feel he's doing well in this format when surrounded by his base, but in a mixed-audience debate, condescension and mockery don't work. Stripped of them and the approving feedback of an all-Republican crowd, McCain's energy was sapped.

Posted by: valandsend | October 8, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow.... what a sad debate. McCain clearly won on substance and Obama clearly won on style and passion.

Obama's plans will bankrupt America for good and his social agenda will be the death of America's greatness.

But McCain's crappy style will pretty much loose any chance he could have had.

If anyone has the sense to listen to the economic venues and analysis you would understand that the Market's continuing dropping is tied to the polling data per the election... they see it going Obama's way and economists are scared to death.

Hope everyone enjoys being poorer.. we're all headed there now..

Posted by: Kdog1 | October 8, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

All I know is "that one" has/had nothing to do with advocating secession from the Union some of our forebears fought for in the Civil War.

http://www.akip.org/

This is not some 60's radical dream put out to pasture like Ayers.

Alaska First-Alaska Always is an on-going effort to undermine our Union of States.

The very fabric of the United States of America.

I have had it up to here with the media playing softball on this anarchic, anti-American political organization being one heartbeat away from a potential U.S. Vice President.

Is this what John McCain suffered for as a POW? Then he's got more problems with his decision-making that I originally thought!

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 8, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama won easily on all scores: he was strong on substance both domestic and international. He looked and sounded confident, smart, healthy, alert, and forceful. He got in several good zingers, especially about McCain's boneheaded song on bomb, bomb Iran.

McCain in contrast seemed fragile and doddering as he moved around the arena. His gaffe in calling Obama "that one" was deliberate and insulting. No one thought it was an accident and it served to remind us that McCain is an angry, snobbish old man.

McCain seemed to have only a passing acquaintance with the issues of the faltering economy and he was simply outgunned on Iraq and other international issues.

The McCain campaign has only two routes open to it now: turn to the dark side and stir up hatred and division in our nation as you attack the next president of the United States or listen to your better angels and run a campaign that enlightens the public about the great national issues of economic crisis and international stablity.

I wonder which way McCain and his slavering attack dog Palin will go?

Posted by: dee5 | October 8, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I said yesterday that there would be no knockout punches, and there would be standard answers to this debate. I was right. These debates are non-stories and basically boring if you've been following along all these months. The narrative of this race has been well-established. Only one new image emerged last night and it was this: God Bless John McCain for his years of service to his country, but the reality is that he is no match at this stage in his life for a younger, more intelligent, more coherent candidate like we're seeing with Barack Obama. The contrast of these two standing together on the stage, one tired, beaten down and old, the other younger, more fresh, more 21st Century is the only lasting image of the evening.

Posted by: zepol61 | October 8, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has been married to Todd Palin, for 20+ years. Mr. Palin supported the Alaska Independence Party, which advocated secession from Alaska. I think that speaks louder than serving on a school fundraising board with Ayres or sitting in a church pew.

I just found out that I am on an economic progress board with a man who was convicted multiple times of domestic violence, spent time in jail and had his parental rights terminated. Should I quit the board? No, of course not. I do not condone ANYTHING that he has done, and he will certainly never be a friend of mine. But I cannot chose the members of this group, and we desperately need positive economic movement in my town. Its definitely a quandary.

Posted by: corridorg4 | October 8, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I was surprised that Senator McCain was so tepid in his attacks on Senator Obama. I expected a much more aggressive approach, but I suspect that McCain is not really comfortable with attacking someone who is standing right in front of him.

In terms of style, I thought Senator Obama seemed to move about the stage more easily than McCain who is not particulary graceful as a result of his injuries from the war.

Obama seemed more confident and poised. McCain seemed to be angry and somewhat confused at moments.

I didn't think there was much substance that was new, other than McCain's introduction of the mortgage purchase program, but it was not fully explored and seemed to go nowhere.

Overall, I would say Obama bested McCain in this debate, but not by a lot.

Posted by: lococope | October 8, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

KOZ, AsperGirl, Charlie - Interesting move by Bernacke together with the EU. It's almost as if we are joining the EU as one big economic union. I am actually starting to think he/they gets "it". I spent most of this morning factoring in the effects on the statistical model and it actually looks promising in the long term. One thing the talking heads are ignoring is their slowly embracing some protectionist measures to keep jobs in the West. Now, they need to find a way to keep Japan in, while cutting India and China out, and we may just survive this. They didn't include Japan in their latest move and that was stupid. It looks hopeful, though. The market is still going to fall to around 8000 with the accompanying unemployment and loss of capital, but if they continue to act rationally, things could get interesting...and better.

I will be spending today on the computer modifying the model. This coordinated move was not factored in and will have all sorts of interesting ramifications.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 8, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I was immediately taken aback by "that one" comment. What's next for McCain calling him a terrorist "N" word? You could feel the seething contempt he has for Obama. His attitude is peevish and he acts like and looks like an old geezer. He breaths into the mic like Darth Vader and stomps around with a kind of lumbering bowl legged stiff crotchety style kinda like he haad a load in his Depends, that screams "why you whippersnapper!" I was waiting for Obama to take him to task for the "that one" comment, although Obama exhibited discipline and just let it linger like the stinkin turd it was. He might have said "That's Senator Obama to you." Or maybe, "Hey you forgot your campaign critique line John, I am suppose to be "THE ONE" not "that one." I mean does the McCain campaign not look at the video and see how badly he comes across? Remarkable.

Posted by: jacquie1 | October 8, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

To ignore who are Obama's friends is to ignore who he is as a man.
Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 8, 2008 7:41 AM |
*************************************************
The same can be said of McCain, whether it be Keating or his fellow board of directors of the Council for World Freedom. You know, the organization linked to Nazi collaboraters and Latin American Death Squads. It was also the front for Reagan's illegal funneling of funds to the Contras.

Posted by: lgaide | October 8, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I heard absolutely nothing new from Obama, and one mysterious sentence from McCain about buying up bad mortgages. Therefore, the little things stick out in my mind.

(1) The Senate has rules of decorum, calling one another the distinguished senator, etc... It was disrespectful when McCain called Obama 'That one'. It also bothered me that he refused to shake Obama's hand when Obama offered at the end of the debate. He came across very rude.

(2) McCain's program to buy up bad mortgages makes no sense in light of his statement that we need a spending freeze on everything but the military and veterans. Who is going to spend the money to buy these bad mortgages, the money fairy? Is this plan going to be an entitlement like Medicaid or Social Security? He should have talked about it more. All he has done is cause more suspicion that he doesn't know what is going on in the economy.

(3) I didn't feel that Obama connected personally with the people in the audience. It was a piece of glass between him and the audience. I don't expect a presidential candidate to be my friend, but he could have been warmer. I think he might have realized that because the senator and his wife stuck around after to shake hands and greet people.

I have a dear friend who has two adult kids with down syndrome and they all met Obama a few weeks ago. She said he was incredibly gracious, posing for pictures, getting hugs from her children and spent time talking to her. That cemented her vote for Obama. He just needs to learn to do that with a town hall audience.


Posted by: corridorg4 | October 8, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Not McCain's best night. Not Obama's best night, either, but he's not behind in the polls. The first two debates of the cycle were much better; let's hope the fourth (and last) one gets things back on track. Perhaps it was, after all, not a great format.

Also, I think Obama's people won the expectations-setting battle this time. They successfully planted the idea that the "town hall" format was where McCain would most shine. When, in reality, this over-scripted faux debate with pre-screened questions and no follow-ups bore only the most superficial resemblance to the "town hall meetings" that McCain and others typically have on the campaign trail.

A lot of people want to read into McCain's "that one" comment some kind of sinister meaning. It sounded bad, true, but I don't think it was anything more than a badly-delivered joking reference to Obama as "The One," as comedians and others have been observing for weeks.

Posted by: acasilaco | October 8, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATS DO NOT LIKE OBAMA BECAUSE HE WILL COST US JOBS.
HE IS AFFILIATED WITH TERRORISTS.
OBAMA LACKS EXPERIENCE.
OBAMA IS A MIDDLE EAST PLANT TO RAISE OIL PRICES AND HE IS AL GORES CHIA PET.

OBAMA IS A SEXIST WHO CHARECTER ASSASSINATED HILLARY CLINTON AND SARAH PALIN. HE HATES WOMEN. WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR HIM

MCCAIN/PALIN 2008

Posted by: nsabetus | October 8, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm concerned that a growing number of voters in this country simply don't
get it. They are caught up in a fervor they can't explain, and calling it
"change".
Change what?, I ask.

Well, we're going to change America, they say.

In what way, I query?

We want someone new and fresh in the White House, they exclaim.
So, someone who's not a politician?, I press.
Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we're voting for Obama, they state.

So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that has enabled a man to grow up in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money and dominate the news and win his party's
nomination for the White House - that system's all wrong?

No, no, that part of the system's okay - we just need a lot of change.

And so it goes. "Change we can believe in." Quite frankly, I don't believe that vague proclamations of change hold any promise for me. In recent
months, I've been asking virtually everyone I encounter how they're voting.
I live in Illinois, so most folks tell me they're voting for Barack Obama.
But no one can really tell me why - only that he's going to change a lot of
stuff. Change, change, change. I have yet to find one single person who can
tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be
President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth
- other than the fact that he claims he's going to implement a lot of
change.

We've all seen the emails about Obama's genealogy, his upbringing, his
Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let's ignore this for a
moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, what qualifies this man to be
my president? That he's a brilliant orator and talks about change?

CHANGE WHAT?

Friends, I'll be forthright with you - I believe the American voters who are
supporting Barack Obama don't have a clue what they're doing, as evidenced
by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I've spoken to can spell
out his qualifications. Not even the most liberal media can explain why he
should be elected. Political experience? Negligible. Foreign relations?
Non-existent. Achievements? Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven't read his wife's thesis from Princeton, look it up on the web. This is who's lining up to be our next First Lady? The only thing I can glean from Obama's constant harping about change is that we're in for a lot of new taxes.

Posted by: nsabetus | October 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama won the debate and McCain clearly needed a knockout blow or game changer during the debate.

Overall it was a boring debate because political pundits and mainstream media was expecting McCain to attack Obama about "guilt-by association" relationships to Ayers, Rezko, and Wright.

Had McCain done this the political pundits would have loved talking about it today and tommorrow, but independent and undecided voters would have been totally turned off by McCain. In the CNN post-debate polling Independents by a margin of 54% to 38% thought Obama won the debate.

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama won the debate hands down. With the backdrop of hate mongering at the Palin rallies, Obama's clear and direct approaches to substantive issues won the day - and it showed in the responses of the participants in the debate room last night. Americans are too concerned about real problems to get bogged down in a far fetched smear campaign - and even many on the right are going to be turned off by shouts of "kill him" (referring to Ayers) or "sit down boy" (referring to a black sound man in a media crew at a Palin rally) - Palin and McCain supporters are sounding like mobs. You don't have to agree with the Obama's policies, but I think it's clear who is providing the more uplifting message. See the NYT article titled "Is the Era of Conservatism Over?" I fear McCain and Palin in these last days of negative campaigning are just nailing the lid on the coffin. Good bye era of Reagan.

Posted by: Flotsam | October 8, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

drindl - You're back! And in good humor and good form, too. I have always appreciated your sharp wit and seeing it return almost makes me think things will return to some kind of "normal". We still need "Spectator2" and "lylepink" back. Where are they? Now, all I want is for KOZ to get his sense of humor back. Then we can get back to exchanging actual intelligent and creative insults while discussing issues and get away from the genuinely rabid nutcases. Maybe after the election?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 8, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

SNL has influenced the campaign in at least one resepect. The word "Maverick" was mentioned a few times in the first presidential debate and 15 times in the VP debate by both candidates.
Thanks to Tina Fey - you did not hear the word "Maverick" once in yesterday's debate, and you probably won't hear it much in the rest of the campaign.

Posted by: jef1000 | October 8, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama, once again, came off as knowledgable, poised, and empathetic; the guy's a class act. McCain came off as condescending, to the moderator, the audience members, and to Barack Obama.

Most troubling was McCain's parrotting of Obama's own words in rebuttal. For instance, Obama said, in reference to Pakistan, that more diplomacy and aid is needed to lift the Pakistanis up years under a dictatorship where civil rights were stripped away. Also, we needed to help the new president help his own people. In that way, we would help the Pakistanis aim higher in protecting their own country from terrorist controls. In addition, he said if we had actionable intelligence we should take out bin Laden. Now, McCain turned around and falsely said Obama was going to bomb Pakistan and make noise about it and then said that what was really needed was diplomacy and aid to lift the Pakistanis from dictatorship. SAME THING! The only difference is McCain changed words around and falsely attacked Obama even though their strategies for dealing with Pakistan were basically the same.

I think McCain KNOWS Obama's smart and has the right stuff, so whenever it's convenient, he'll use Obama's position and claim it as his own.

Obama won, hands down. McCain came off as prickly and totally out of touch.

Posted by: iluvkmart | October 8, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The only folks who thought it was 'boring' are the folks in the media. It seems that they refuse to just do their jobs and report, instead, they focus on whether there was something for their pundits to talk about after the debate. If there are no 'gaffes', then it's boring. That's just stupid.

Posted by: frankjomama | October 8, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

McCain: My Friends...
America: We're not your Friends, Buddy!

The debate desperately needed an injection of South Park. Carry on.

Posted by: irae | October 8, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was like watching a fish bowl if this is the idea of a town hall meeting. What kind of town hall is this. Nothing new happened or no new insights. I thought it interesting no one I watched talked about the jab on his own running mate that Obama made during the discussion about health care saying that if Arizona had rules in the insurance plan about not having to do certain things all the companies will set up shop in Arizona just like the banking industry has all the headquarters in Delaware.

Posted by: coastalcarolina89 | October 8, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

asper aspirated:

Really, the more important thing for people to focus on right now is their own lives, and taking care of themselves. The more people who are able to take care of themselves and manage their difficulties in the next few years, the better we will all be.

-----------------------

Absolutely.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

dyck21005: You need to cut back on the caffeine, apparently. Another example of the foaming at the mouth rantings of the wingnuts about how Barack Hussein Obama (you forgot the full name mention) will usher in the end times. And by the way, it's "know nothing" NOT "no nothing".

Posted by: Donzinho | October 8, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I concur with most, it was a bore to watch. Brokaw was the real looser who was out of his league. What a wimp. He could have kicked ass and taken names and the country would have cheered.

Both Brokaw and McCain looked old and weak. Someone needed to tell both candidates to get their collective asses on track and answer questions not pontificate.

And I would agree with Pearlstein that someone needs to tell America we are all going to have to sacrifice for a few years to save America. Our butts are in a sling.

I also believe the next administration will have to be more tuned into a more active and deliberate population who will be informed and demanding that 'change' is really happen. The real power is with the people, not the media nor our elected officials. With the web and networking and organization we can put the power back in the hands of the people. The revolution will not be broadcast it will networked and organized.We should watch every vote live and speak up on every vote in the house and senate. Storm the internet not the barricades make any congressman or senator rue the day they learned to use email or read blogs or ignore us the people. The SDS had it all wrong at the wrong time. We can shape our congress from our computers and networks.

Posted by: jolu32339 | October 8, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

(As -- almost -- always, Matt Drudge gets it right -- his headline on the debate: "BORING").

Jeezus, Cilizza, why don't you grow up? You sound like a high school kid. Matt Drudge is a moron -- a f*cking moron. Why don't you go read William Buckley or something if you want to sound like an adult. Do you have a brain at all? I sometimes wonder.

BORING? This is about the future of this country, whether we will survive or not. I think you could take it a little more seriously.

McCain is condescending, rude and nasty, a tired old man with tired ideas and an overblown sense of entitlement, just like his nasty vicious little heiress wife.

Posted by: drindl | October 8, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

In last night's debate, Barack showed his ease and understanding of the complex problems and issues facing the American people today and his dedication to the middle class and to average Americans. He is emotionally and mentally connected to Americans of all colors, classes and creed and will work on the fairness and distibution of sharing, not just one segment -- the middle class -- carrying the load. Because he is committed to making a difference, he came across as serious and steadfast about fixing our problems and bringing America up to 21st Century standards and getting rid of a lot of programs that just do not work anymore. He knows and teaches that to be prosperous, America must grow from the bottom up, just as Nature grows from the bottom up. He also showed his mindset toward dealing with other countries. His willingness to listen and talk to be able to work problems out without having to go to war and shed unnecessary blood. Barack knows that we live in a global world and we are all in this together, and so we must work together on a world scale to address our global and world problems.

On the other hand, McCain Camp knows they will lose the election if they talk about the economy, they have no solutions for the middle class, because their Economics are for the Rich, the well-off and the well connected!

Posted by: dsoulplane | October 8, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't really matter who wins, anymore. The next president will be crippled on most policy fronts, presiding over a depression. He will likely be a one-term president. If he screws up at all, he will be an historic failure.

Really, the more important thing for people to focus on right now is their own lives, and taking care of themselves. The more people who are able to take care of themselves and manage their difficulties in the next few years, the better we will all be.

Unfortunately, focusing on taking care of our own immediate situations, jobs and housing will do more to help the country than who we vote for this Fall, when it comes to a choice between these two particular candidates.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

You are crazy, Obama was AWFUL as usual in the debate! Obama was no more than his usual bumbling,grunting, lost in thought, no nothing, stand in for a real leader. That guy is corrupt and its amazing that Americans are ignoring very serious issues with Obama that MSM refuse to educate the American voter. A vote for Obama is a vote for the beginning of the END OF OUR GREAT BUT TROUBLED COUNTRY! CNN & MSNBC Saintly Obama seems to grow smaller the closer we approach him and find out the truth that cable news pundits can�t seem to find and or report�No longer can Americans trust the media, which was given special constitutional privileges to look out for the folks."Obama is an empty suit. From the day he was sworn in to the Senate to the date he declared his run for the presidency, is only 145 days on the job. He has literally no experience. (Not figuratively, literally!) He's not qualified to run a Dairy Queen. Recently, we witnessed the disgusting treatment of Hillary Clinton, including not being named Barack Obama's running mate in spite of the fact that she drew 18 million votes. No Republican has mentioned race, but it has been the trump card for the Obama campaign even to the point of accusing Bill Clinton of racism. The savage treatment of Sarah Palin by the Democratic attack machine has gone beyond the pale even involving reference to her Down syndrome baby So, Jonah Goldberg hit it right on the head in his Sept 25 column. What possible reason could there be not to vote for Obama? Maybe because he isn't the right man for the job, regardless of race. Proven Obama has most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate. Obama is to the left of Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Russ Feingold, Pat Leahy and Barbara Boxer. That's extremely difficult to do. Obama is a textbook big-government, tax-and-spend liberal. He plans to raise income tax rates, capital gains tax rates, Social Security taxes (by virtue of eliminating the cap), dividend taxes, inheritance taxes, and introduce a slew of new taxes. His plan will destroy this country

Posted by: dyck21005 | October 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

The "that one" comment was awkward and kind of stupid, but I thought the more offensive moment was when McCain said to the young guy who asked a question about the economy, "I bet you never heard of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before this". I was watching the debate with my mom, and we both said at the same time, "wow, that was condescending."

Also, did anyone notice that John McCain does not seem to remotely understand the principles behind the bailout? He didn't mention the credit freeze even once, going on a tangent about housing. Obama explained directly the actual reason for the bailout (the need to get credit flowing again) and how it is necessary for the middle class. I thought he won big points on that one.

Overall, advantage Obama. Again. Woohoo!

Posted by: ASinMoCo | October 8, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

My friends, I was counting and McCain made it an even 20 times saying, "my friends". I have to give him credit though because the term "maverick" was not uttered once. Amazing.

Posted by: independant11 | October 8, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

1. I don't think debates work anymore. 21st Century candidates are WELL scripted, and they're taught to stick to their talking points, no matter the question (with good reason, given the MSM's magnification of mistakes). I've followed this election closely, and I could predict every answer. Very little new information came forward. It was difficult to stay awake.

2. I'm not sure why the MSM narrative is Obama doesn't do well in debates. He's thoughtful, engaging and clearly knows all the issues.

3. Honestly, I thought this debate was a tie. There were no gaffes.

4. McCain called Obama "that one," which fit into his overall narrative that he doesn't like Obama and can't contain his outrage at competing for the presidency with a guy who hasn't been in the Senate as long as he has. I noticed he didn't shake Obama's hand at the end of the debate. If McCain disrespects his fellow American, how much worse will he mistreat our so-called enemies?

5. I don't like either the debate or town-hall formats. It's ridiculous that the audience can't react. And last night's questions seemed canned. They were so predictable. Furthermore, with the country's economic crisis, I can't believe anyone was as concerned about say--Russia--as their own pocketbook. I think some of those questions were planted.

6. I'm glad McCain didn't bring up Ayers or Wright or Rezko. As it was, the negativity was jarring given the state of the country at this moment.

Posted by: Seneca7 | October 8, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

oh wait, oh wait, mccain wins. it must be true b/c i say so. "there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home." come on AugustWest1... hey, try this for a change, take a different perspective:

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. flash poll of debate viewers found that 54 percent thought Obama won, while 30 percent believed McCain did.

A CBS News/Knowledge Networks flash poll of uncommitted voters nationwide gave the debate to Obama: 39 percent said Obama won, while 27 percent said McCain won, and 35 percent saw the debate as a draw.

Posted by: dL01 | October 8, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

If this Obaby sycophant doesn't say that Obaby won, then you know McCain won. Poor Chris is a sore loser.

Posted by: AugustWest1 | October 8, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

1. Not a true Town Hall format, this compromise fell flat - agree with Chris.
2. I am 65 and have referred disapprovingly, but in good humor, to a child I like but who just acted out, as "that one". I think it pointedly marked McC's age and a disrespect for BHO's youth. I think most geezers like me will think that, but I read that many are imputing racial motivation. I do not buy that. Almost agree with Chris, except that treating a 47 year old man like a 7 year old is as disrespectful as treating a black man as less than a white one.
3. The SecTreas has mortgage bailout power in the $700B and McC is simply calling for a direction of 40% of the authorization to that end, I think.
4. CSpan showed the McCs leaving the room right after McC and BHO shook hands after the end of the debate [they did shake afterward, btw]. Then the Obamas both worked the crowd for a long time. Could have been just scheduling, but it looked good for BHO and bad for McC.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 8, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

You have to hand it to Obama, he has risen to the challenges of this campaign and met every one. The economic challenges, in particular, were only initially a bias against Republicans. What continues to pull him ahead is that he is outperforming McCain on these economic issues and he definitely established during the debate last night that he is stronger than McCain on economic policy discussion.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 8, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

This debate was terribly boring and something that merely cemented the status quo. Since Obama is up by several now nationally and in battlegrounds, that must mean he’s the tactical winner.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 8, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

What's next for McCain. More smear tactics? More of the fear mongering? Just how low will he and Palin go? When you're losing, let's spread vicious rumors!! Ask Palin about her husband beloning to the Independent wackos in Alaska that hate the U.S. Gov't. and they want to secede from the Union.. And how she told them this past summer to keep up the "good" work..

Posted by: satchnthesaint | October 8, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

To ignore who are Obama's friends is to ignore who he is as a man.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 8, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama won on all the points.

While McCain continues to prove he's just a troll who's more suited to working in a treehouse than the White House, Obama comes across as the James Bond of candidates; calm, purposeful and intelligent. I always know where he stands on the issues and how he'll lead America - shaken, not stirred.

Besides, I cringe every time one of McCain's "S's" comes out like a shrill whistle. There's no way I can listen to him without hearing it. It's like the talking stain on the shirt commercial now.

Posted by: Peakmom | October 8, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

The reason McCain was not as 'COOL' as Obama is because he deeply cares about this country. I can't wait for democrats to control the congress and the presidency. I guess we will find out the hard way what it is like to live under far far far left wing agenda. Welcome to Socialist States of America.

Posted by: DemocracyRules | October 8, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Obama is not really that good a debater - he comes off with a smug attitude.

.

.

Posted by: 37thandOStreet

-------------


LOL. Well, if anyone is an expert at "smug," it would be you.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 8, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

O won. And, Chris, no one on Planet Earth believes Mac's reference to O as "That One" was "unintentional." It was as snarly, contemptuous, and prejudiced a reference as I have ever heard in a major political debate. Well at least he didn't say "that boy." Those two words -- That One -- told America all they needed to know.

Always nice to start with the facts rather than Drudge dreck:

From HuffPo -- "Frank Luntz's focus group, over at Fox, showed undecided voters leaning towards Obama because of his position on health care. CBS's focus group of independents had the Democratic nominee winning the debate at 39 percent to McCain's 27 percent, with 35 percent of the respondents saying it was a tie. Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a Democratic polling firm, had a focus group of undecideds leaning to Obama by a margin of 42 percent to 24 percent.

Meanwhile, SurveyUSA interviewed 741 debate watchers in the state of Washington, 54 percent of whom thought Obama was the "clear winner" compared with McCain's 29 percent. That same polling firm had the first debate as a tie. In tonight's survey""

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 8, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

A debate is all about the issues, not some gotcha remark which gives the media a sound bite.


That is simply another example of corporate American controlling the agenda - forcing its desire for a gaffe on the country.


The country cares about a range of issues - McCain won on all the economic points - Obama fell apart.

On Foreign Policy McCain did not do so well - however everyone was asleep by that point.

Tom Brokaw did a horrible job - fighting with the candidates over the rules - Obama tried to break the rules and Brokaw should have been more forceful. Obama is not really that good a debater - he comes off with a smug attitude.

.

.

Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 8, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

What is up with McCain's claim that he knows how to get Bin Laden? Is it a secret? Has he told anyone else? What is he waiting for? Are we in for a November surprise? I'm wondering.

Posted by: plumskiter7 | October 8, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008

"That One"

What a very odd thing for McCain to say.

McCain repeatedly invoked the need for a "steady hand on the tiller" tonight--for someone who will be calm and cool in the crises that the upcoming years will present us.

Yet this is a man who is utterly unable to contain his contempt--even on a night when, even as Bill Bennett says, he needed to "break through", and even when such a strange expression of disdain could only highlight pettiness, anger and partisanship that voters wish that candidates would steer away from in the greater interest of the nation.

McCain's fundamental position--one from which he finds his momentum and meaning--is so often one of a contemptuous anger for those who do not understand what he believes he has learned--e.g., "them".

This is the impulsive, gut-driven, black and white thinking that we have seen throughout the campaign.

We have had 8 years of a President driven by impulsive, black and white, gut-driven, categorical thinking. In those 8 years, from a position that manifested from the very start an angry, assumed knowledge, and a contempt for the position of others, we have now seen the results.

So this time: choose that one.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/that-one.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 8, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

"My friends," CNN, FOX, and CBS polls all say "That One" won. His name, my friend, is Barack Obama. Darn tootin' Ya' betcha. Shout-outs to the American people and the world community. Godspeed, O.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 8, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama instills confidence that he will be cool, calm and collected in the face of crises. He grows in stature and command every day.

McCain seems like a complete phony. His repeated use of the phrase "my friends" is grating, cloying, annoying and frankly presumptuous. It might be suitable for his rallies, where those in attendance presumably are his friends, but in the format last night, it did not work at all. I think some of the folks on stage were annoyed that he assumed they were his friends. I thought it was insulting. His handlers should bar him from every using that phony phrase again.

Posted by: plumskiter7 | October 8, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING LAST NIGHT! TO MY KNOWLEDGE, "NO ONE" STUCK TO THE QUESTIONS, IT WAS LIKE A CAMPAIGN SPEECH! BOTH OF THEM GOT OFF TRACK, AND BETWEEN THE HE SAID , HE SAID, THE AUDIANCE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT! TOM BROKAW NEEDS TO STAY IN REPORTING THE NEWS, HE COULDN'T EVEN GET THEM BACK ON THE QUESTION THAT HE ASKED! I AM A REPUB, CHANGED THIS YR AFTER THE DEM FIASCO, I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA AFTER HE STOLE THE PRIMARY! AND I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN /PALIN, BUT HEY THEY GOT TO GET ON THE FACTS HERE I RETIRED LAST YR MY HUSBAND JUST RETIRED, AND WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOOL FOWARD TOO? WELL I AM STILL WAITING FOR ANSWERS, AND THERE ARE NONE ANYWHERE!

Posted by: JBRACALE | October 8, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

So much for the much ballyhooed "town hall" forum, being McCain's forte.

What was on full display for a national audience was McCain's rather skittering physicality, moving across the stage like a crab with a bad wheel or two, and while holding his own in some respects, frankly sounding creepy with the "my friends" modifier immediately following the cocky fighter jock claim of I'll get Bin Laden. And then he flashes that really creepy grin.

It's apparent, McCain doesn't think Obama has any business standing on the same stage as him. Blinding condescension that helps him with no one other than the drooling right wing base, screaming for Obama's head.

Other than inciting partisan crowds to violence with thier withering personal attacks on Obama, what has McPalin got left ?

One more debate where McCain will essentially repeats last night's performance ?

Maybe James Carville is right, if Obama goes in to the election with a 5 % lead and then loses, we'll know the country simply isn't ready to elect a black man as POTUS.

Beyond this, I don't see how McCain wins this election.

Posted by: mathas | October 8, 2008 6:56 AM | Report abuse

McCain's comment "that one" was unintentional? No, I disagree - it was just a continuation of his first debate's obvious disdain of Obama and that almost uncontrollable anger he has had a problem with in the past that is just under the surface.

This very troubled country and world doesn't need a man in the White House consumed with anger and a Vice President who's only real talent is stirring up crowds with her hate filled speeches.

Posted by: june54 | October 8, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Get off Drudges johnson, Chris.

Geez.

Drudge is a phony with power. Drudge lives in a false reality where the right does no wrong, where this race is actually close.

It says something that you envy a political world so skewed. Says a lot about where this blog has gone.

Posted by: PJF311 | October 8, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

From "Fact of the Matter:
http://www.need4trth.blogspot.com

I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO START THIS.....

Tom Brokaw was definitely the wrong pick for the Moderator. He allowed John McCain, in what I believe was a concerted effort, to speak outright lies about Obama's voting record and some of Obama's policies, go unchallenged. He didn't, as the moderator, dispute these well known lies and false claims, nor did he allow Senator Obama to challenge the false McCain statements.

Brokaw allowed this biased latitude for McCain to occur on three different occasions until Senator Obama finally told Brokaw this, "I'm sorry Tom but there's a lot of this stuff out there...." Stuff meaning LIES AND SMEARS, by McCain. Obama successfully defended himself, and respectfully put McCain in his place, and McCain tried to throw a low blow, yet as Phil Collin's once sang, "...did I miss again, how did I miss again oh oh..."

My opinion of Tom Brokaw has lessened. He is obviously in the REPUBLICAN TANK. As an Expert Moderator he failed to do the 'CIVIC DUTY' of a journalist, too challenge a PROVEN LIE or allow Senator Obama rebuttal against obvious lies. This inaction and disallowing by Brokaw seemed a concerted effort of Corporate Media favoritism of John McCain in action. I felt in spirit that Brokaw was blatantly taking sides. I'm not God so I can't say for sure. Yet, even though he possibly tried to aide McCain on those three occasions, for McCain it obviously wasn't enough. He later took a jab at Brokaw by saying, "It sure won't be you Tom", in his answer to the question who would they choose for the position of Secretary of the Treasury.

McCain demonstrated anger and aggression. John McCain "appears" bitter because he is losing in the polls, and HATEFUL because it is Barack Obama who is proving to be John McCain's BETTER. McCain is demonstrating the mindset of someone who knows he went about his plan wrong and now he is paying for it. Can Somebody say, "LOOOSEERRRR!!!!!"

JOHN MCCAINS WAR CONTINUUM RESURFACED TONITE.....

Once again McCain begin to trumpet the supposed winning strategy of the surge as the new war strategy against those whom would stand in McCains America's way. The Warmonger unleashed his list of experience in, 'knowing how to win wars'....

FIRST LET'S DO A LITTLE FACT CHECKING FROM FACTCHECK THE WIRE

Counting Errors
McCain said that Obama had voted 94 times for higher taxes or against tax cuts. He’s getting warmer — the first time we dinged him for this one, he said Obama voted 94 times to increase taxes, which is way off. This is still misleading, though. The real breakdown includes: 23 votes against tax cuts (which would have produced no increase in taxes); seven votes that would have lowered taxes for most people, but increased taxes on a few; 11 votes that would have increased taxes on those making over $1 million a year. The majority of the 94 votes (53 of them, including some of the above) were on budget measures, not tax bills, and would not have resulted in any tax change. Four other votes were non-binding motions related to conference report negotiations.

Obama, in turn, repeated the claim that McCain voted 23 times against alternative energy. We found that only 11 of those votes would have reduced or eliminated incentives for alternative energy. The rest opposed creating or enforcing alternative energy.

Conclusion, they were both off some yet, McCain was, continuing, if you will, too PROPORT LIES. Let's look at another one...

Oversimplifying the Fiscal Crisis
It’s finger-pointing time again, with each candidates blaming the other for the financial crisis. McCain called Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac the “catalyst” for the crisis and blamed Obama for failing to sign on to a bill to reign in the FMs. Obama countered that it’s a culture of deregulation and lack of oversight that caused the problem.

We’ve been here before. Both candidates have a point: Democrats really have fought regulation of the FMs and McCain has in fact been in favor of deregulation.

Yet, McCain's campaign manager up until a month ago was still on the payroll of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. McCain in this argument has no argument. He is one of the main author's of deregulation.

These are just a few of the issues they are not quite correct on. Yet, the greatest aggressor of the SMEAR, FEAR, and LIES CAMPAIGN is THE PUPPETED MOUTHPIECE OF THE RNC campaign McCain90%w/Bush/Palin.

ONE MORE FACT CHECK FROM FACTCHECK THE WIRE....


Health Care Fines for Small Businesses?
McCain said that Obama’s health care plan would mandate that “small businesses” provide coverage for their employees and would fine them if they failed to do so. Actually, Obama’s health care plan, posted on his Web site, says: “Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement.” McCain previously used this charge in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention

Posted by: need4trth | October 8, 2008 5:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama is growing as a candidate. McCain is shrinking!

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 8, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

As expected, McCain didn't really have a comeback strategy. He just delivered answers that appeared to be cut-and-pasted from his stump speeches. He's really beaten on economic issues and as a candidate. Seems like he's given up, even and is just punching the clock. As a CNN commentator noted, he didn't look happy to even be there.

McCain was peeved and had nothing new to say. Obama beat him hands down, both personally in terms of presentation and preparation and on substance of answers.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 8, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

"(As -- almost -- always, Matt Drudge gets it right -- his headline on the debate: "BORING")."


Chris, how disappointing. Another Grudge lapdog?
You sink lower by the day.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 8, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Say what? McCain wants to reduce the principal on peoples mortgages to reflect the lower market value? And he will pay for it? He almost made me want to vote for him! I have a couple of buildings, which I bought hoping to make a ton of money. Lol, I've also invested my retirement in stocks. Let's face it, I gambled and I lost. Does the guy really want to bail me out? And in case I make a ton of money some day, he will let me keep all of it?
Amazing.

Posted by: barb6 | October 8, 2008 4:59 AM | Report abuse

There shouldn't be any doubt that Barack Obama is the clear winner of the debate.

While John McCain threw around the same tired lies and smears his campaign has been spouting off the last few weeks, Obama talked about the issues, he explained what was going on behind the scenes and what he was going to do about it. You see, that's what Obama is all about, he's actually spent a good amount of time thinking about these issues. He realizes that we have to prioritize – some things have to come first, some things have to take a back seat – but he tells you why. He wants to share what he sees going on in Washington with us to give us a clearer picture of what's going on in our country. He wants to empower us. He shows the intelligence, the courage, the patience and the empathy that we should demand of the president of the United States of America.

And I don't know if any of you caught it, but after the debate was over, McCain only shook a few hands in the crowd and rushed out the door. Meanwhile Obama stayed there, to talk to the audience – determined to stay in touch with the views and concerns of the people.

We have been constantly lied to the last eight years, and the McCain campaign is putting all it's chips on the hope that we, the American people, are mindless sheep that will believe anything the government tells us. Well, more and more, it's clear that we're waking up. They keep trying to control us with fear, so they can continue to focus on only the things that serve their own interests. But we've been paying attention to this election... we've done our homework and it has never been more clear how misleading the Republican party is, and how little value they place on the hearts, the minds and the current plight of the American people.

There's really only one choice this year for president, and I hope that you will join me, a concerned citizen who cares about things beyond himself, in voting for our next president of the United States of America: BARACK OBAMA!

America is our country, and we CAN make it better. It really is up to us.

Posted by: concerned_citizen_2008 | October 8, 2008 4:05 AM | Report abuse

Zosima,

I understand international economics perfectly well, and the 9.4% collapse in the Nikkei today illustrates precisely why the US credit market meltdown is an international concern. However, I also know a think or two about national politics, and given the severe unpopularity of NAFTA and the WTO and other international trade agreements in blue-collar states, painting Obama as the candidate who is worried about foreign economies would have been a smart move for McCain.

Both candidates have already long tossed out the window accurately representing their opponent's positions, too, so the argument that this would be an unfair jab is moot.

I mean, honestly, if the EU countries cannot even come to an agreement to work together on the financial crisis, instead opting to tackle the problems individually, Obama is a bit of a neophyte to think that he can wave his wand and work with other countries. And given how the "working with other countries" line plays in US politics a lot of times, this was a lost chance for McCain to be on his toes and attack.

Posted by: blert | October 8, 2008 3:49 AM | Report abuse

Dear Friend:

Are you ready yet for the November 4th Elections? How about your friends, family, and neighbors?
More Americans are expected to vote this year than ever before in history, so don’t be left out! Be sure to ask everyone you know the following questions:
• Are you registered to vote? If you moved recently, have you updated your voter registration?
• Did you apply for an Absentee Ballot? Do you know your state may not require any reason?
• Can you find your local Polling Place? Do you know it may have changed from last time?
The answers to these questions -- and all your voting needs -- can be found at www.StateDemocracy.org


Posted by: suma_abhi | October 8, 2008 3:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain did what he needed to do. In sports terms, he is the team that is clearly behind and clearly being outplayed. But he is hanging around and Obama is not able to put this election away.

I think McCain stemmed the bleeding from the last week or two. To hope to stop the bleeding and do a full reverse was not going to happen. Stopping the bleeding was as much as he could realistically want.

The challenge for McCain is in the next few days. If the campaign continues to pursue its idiotic strategy of guilt by association, McCain will be toast within a week. Undecided America has no tolerance for this. Obama has handled himself well enough to make these 'boogeyman' accusations ineffective to all but a small part of the electorate -- and McCain already has those votes.

This campaign has had a lot of ebb and flow -- this last month won't be different unless McCain shoots himself in the other foot and ends it. McCain needs to be patient, and hope to catch a wave and ride it. Its not a great strategy, but he's not a great candidate.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 8, 2008 3:03 AM | Report abuse

Poor old John Mccain? Give me a break; good grief; the supposed "good guy; great guy; decent man, etc etc; is reaping what he has sown...
newsflash: he was and is a spoiled brat misfit who trashed his childhood, schooling, relationships, and air ships.
I wonder what biography those that are trying to elicit sympathy for Mccain are referring to ?
Not the real John Mccain.
If he had a some point tried to salvage an irresponsible life he has more than undone it according to any side: conservative or maverick reformer. The guy is human and the hand he was dealt was privilege; just like Bush; and Mccain trashed most of it most the time.
Do i think he meant "that one" to be racist? not necessarily; but does that mean he isnt using the HATCHET MEN who eviscerated him at Bush's behest to do the same to someone else?
...that he did not speak up when a fool /s in crowd yell 'KILL HIM" or TERRORIST"... come on; this is a fellow U.S. SENATOR for God's sake!
As for Rove's crew; Rick Davis and Schmidt? does it matter that Ayers is college professor and community organizer (not on the run or in jail) and has not a close relationship with Obama? HELL NO!
IT"S WIN AT ANY COST! being seen for what it is: A SCAM by rprofessional CON ARTISTS who brought you 8 ys of BUSH:
You know IRAQBAILOUT11 TRILLION in National DEBT!
Get a grip ... if you are for the solution you are the problem; get out of the way.

Posted by: ukeman | October 8, 2008 2:58 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Sen McCain might have had an easier time of the Belmont U debate had he not appointed Sarah Palin as his VP. Turns out she believes in witchcraft!

Doubtful? See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg

I doubt it helps his campaign to run with a crackpot...

Posted by: bozobozo1 | October 8, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Clear win for Obama. The only thing left to be determined is the magnitude of his win in November and it's looking more and more like a landslide.

Posted by: dolph924 | October 8, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

The people on intrade seem to like what they saw with Obama. Obama has a 44 point lead now on Mccain. With Mccain at his lowest point since January. This is over.

Obama will be the next president.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is doing what the media was suppose to do for him. It is part of the Vetting process. Obama got to where he is...not by accomplishment, not by years of service, not by his war record, but because our society propelled him there by racist suspicion, guilt and avoidance. You can not claim to know Barrack Obama. He has never had the tough questions and been held to account for his answers. Tell me why in the 941 days in office he requested almost a billion dollars in Pork spending when McCain never requested any ever? Why does "down playing" not mean "lying" when he refers to his relationship with W. Ayers? Why does he think he can say that my child can have a medical procedure without my knowledge or consent? Who paid for you to get into Harvard? Describe the relationship. Why did they pay for you? What do we tell our Jewish voters about this relationship and should they be concerned? .......

Posted by: callitlikeiseeit | October 8, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

It is nearly over for McCain and Palin, the grumpy bulldog and the rabid pitbull. McCain does look old and his body language reveals that he knows he doesn't have a prayer to win the election. He has made too many wrong decisions; the first miss-step was adopting Rove-type strategies for his campaign. (Why would anyone listen to Rove? He's helped delivered/produced the worst president in US history who's scraping the bottom in favorability ratings..)

This debate only underscores the obvious: Obama is headed for landslide...

Posted by: RickJ | October 8, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey Blert,
The reason McCain didn't press Obama on that point is because he would have looked like he didn't understand economics.

Modern economics involves a huge amount of international interdependency. Our economic crisis is becoming a global crisis and there are tons of reasons we need to work with other nations. We need to make sure that the Chinese keep financing our government debt, we need to secure lines of credit from other nations. We need to prevent the spread of this crisis to other nations, we need to set policy so that we can create confidence in international financial markets, and we need to set trade policies so that we can limit inflation.

Posted by: zosima | October 8, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

If you would like to know who won, just look at this picture of Mccain and his wife as they left. I don't like Mccain but in the end I felt sorry for him. He just looked old rumpled.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp10-7-08aaaa.jpg

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

"(As -- almost -- always, Matt Drudge gets it right -- his headline on the debate: "BORING")."

Yeah, what could be more important to the next four years here in the United States--or around the world, for that matter, given the war, the tanking global economy, the environmental disaster we're heading into--than...the frickin' world series of poker?

Here's the soft underbelly in your journalistic credentials, Chris: that you--and so many in your profession--pay any attention at all to what Drudge says. He's a hack with an agenda the size of Minnesota--the ambulance chaser of almost-tabloid trash.

Personally, I believe a boring debate is still important--one of these guys is going to have his finger on the button, go to China, negotiate with world leaders, try to deal with the financial crisis. If all Drudge wants is fireworks, he's missing the point of what this might mean to the history of the country--and sadly, Chris, so are you.

Posted by: tellthetruth01 | October 8, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse

I've heard McCain say "I respect Senator Obama".
-But, isn't it really obvious that he either deslikes him, or envies him?
-Why else would he refer to Obama as "THAT(fill in the blank) ONE THERE"?
-
McCain, as such, made himself into a "mini-me", specially when he followed with "You know who voted against it? Me."

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 8, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

"semi-condescending"?

Are you for real? Are Rove and Drudge writing your columns now, as well as providing the data and analysis?

Posted by: light_bearer | October 8, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

This was the day, a week after Sarah Palin lost it for him, that John McCain lost.

Pack your bags, Socialist Republicans, it's time to wander the desert for forty years for your sins.

Posted by: WillSeattle | October 8, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

I really wish McCain would focus on losing honorably rather than winning dishonorably.

I used to like McCain before this election.

:-(

Posted by: zosima | October 8, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking at the photograph on the WaPo home page right now, and it sort of says it all--the three "follicly-challenged" gentlemen (two of whom asked questions that seemed to be in McCain's wheelhouse) having their photos snapped with Obama.

I know not everyone wants Obama, I understand that. But let's get behind this guy, folks. We have the chance to do something really good for ourselves and the country here. This might just be the guy to pull us together--and we need that. Republicans, we need you. Get on board.

Posted by: tellthetruth01 | October 8, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Vote
COUNTRY FIRST SAVINGS & LOAN
John Keating Mohammad McInsane
&
Sarahcide Trooperbridge Palingate
Maverickity 2008 MyFriends
________________________________
Obama Won Johnny's Self Proclaimed #1 Champion Of A Debate Townhall Forum and.......
It Wasn't John McCain's Idea To Buy Home Loans To Renegotiate Home Loans For Homeowners
*In 2nd Presidential Debate, McCain Touted Mortgage Plan Already Proposed By Obama/Biden*
www(dot)huffingtonpost(dot)com/2008/10/07/in-debate-mccain-touted-m_n_132828(dot)html
________________________________

After CNN's insignifcant reporting via Campbell Brown's McCainiac Husband on Obama/Aryes without equal review of McCain's cMany Criminal Connections and the recent article of close connections between Brokaw and Mccain in The New York Times, we fear the National Debate is being set up at Belmont for the one-two punch to knock out Obama. Add to that, The #1 National Debate Sponsor is Anheuser-Busch Companies (BUDWEISER)~Isn’t there a strong association to Cindy McCain? YES! www(dot)debates(dot)org/pages/natspons(dot)html. Now, we’ve had a long weekend of McCain & Palin using filthy dirty politics to smear Obama. At this news, we must take our country back from Ali Mohammad McCain and Osama Bin Palin! My Friends..If they want to play the blame game with silly tactics flavored with racial overtones and list Barack Obama's name with terrorists, muslims, thugs, resko/ayres fibs, anti-hillary accusations, & flag pins; We must demand the following GOP/McCainiac issues come to the forefront and be answered in the media:
________________________________

~Keating 5 www(dot)keatingeconomics(dot)com McCain's support of the stolen savings of millions of americans and the sweetheart shopping center real estate deal Keating had with Cindy McCain and her father (no reporting on this but lots of the resko/obama real estate lie)
~Fundamental Deregulator
~Deregulation of Social Security
~Deregulation of HealthCare
~Enron Loophole
~100 Year War Monger & $Trillions$ Spent On Iraqi War
~Vicki Iseman Girlfriend and Media Lobbyist
~Brokaw/McCain Friendship ~Obama sabotage (without many reporting on this unfair scandal)
~Infidelity/Adultery
~Anti-Catholic -all of McCain's religious leaders attacking Catholics and Palin's untold story about her scandalous & angry departure from the Catholic Church to follow Rev. Muthee(known african terrorist)
~Tax Break For Only The Wealthy, Tax Health Care, Cut Social Security Benefits
~Voted Against Equal Pay & Equal Rights For Our Mothers, Sisters, Daughters, Grandmothers, Nieces, Aunts, Wives, & Girlfriends
~Campbell Brown bias & her Husband's Relationship to McCain and GOP
~Temperament-Erraticsism, Is There A Blood Relation Between McCraziac & Bill-Had-Sex-With-A-Show-Intern-O'Reilly ? Flip-Flopper Express
~McCain Campaign Lobbyist ie. Rick Davis & 169 more Lobbyists
~Andrew McCain + Nevada based Silver State Bank (where's the reporting on this)
~Andrew McCain + CMKM Diamonds,better known as CMKX (where's the reporting on this)
~Palingate/Troopergate Criminal Investigation (where's the reporting on this)
~Palin's REV.THOMAS MUTHEE Witchdoctor Video & known African terrorist (where's the reporting on this)
~Betrayus With A Surge To Nowhere In Iraq
~US Council For World Freedom; Radical, Dangerous & Racist Organization(where's the reporting on this)
~Voted Against Veteran Benefits At Home
~4th Stage Cancer & Recurrence Rate
~Radical Criminal: G. Gordon Liddy's Fundraiser At His Home For & With McCain
~Country First Savings And Loan 2008 : John Keating McCainiac & Sarahcide TrooperBridge Palingate
~Anheuser Busch(Budweiser)Cindy Mccain #1 National Debate Sponsor
~*Straight Talk America PAC, *Altria Group, *American Issues Project, *National Campaign Fund, *Vets For Freedom
*RightChange(dot)com Inc = Fred Eshelman&Fletcher Hartsell&Jeffrey Barnhart & Tim Pittman
________________________________

www(dot)mccainslobbyists(dot)com

www(dot)mccainsource(dot)com

www(dot)therealmccain(dot)com/butler

www(dot)mudflats(dot)wordpress(dot)com

www(dot)plnewsforum(dot)com/index.php/forums/viewthread/39966

www(dot)phoenixnewtimes(dot)com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

www(dot)rationalrevolution0(dot)tripod(dot)com/war/bush_family_and_the_s(dot)htm

www(dot)republicansexoffenders(dot)com

www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
________________________________
McCain Promotes A Supporter That Shouts 'KILL HIM' referring to Barack Obama
www(dot)huffingtonpost(dot)com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366(dot)html

McCain Campaign Has Strong Ties To Corporate Lobbyists At Center Of Bailout
www(dot)thinkprogress(dot)org/2008/09/22/mccain-campaign-lobbies-bailou

McCain on Special Interest, Lobbyists and DC Sleaze—What you should remember
www(dot)personals(dot)nymag(dot)com/blog/1069/post_78180.html?dcb=personals(dot)nymag(dot)com

Media advance myth of McCain as lobbyist foe
www(dot)mediamatters(dot)org/items/200802260009

the McCAIN BUSH GRAMM foreclosure plan: called BIG BANK BAILOUT
www(dot)miami(dot)craigslist(dot)org/mdc/pol/850631984(dot)html

G. Gordon Liddy: John McCain Finds His Own Radical Criminal Ties At A Fundraiser For McCain At Liddy's House
www(dot)huffingtonpost(dot)com/2008/05/05/g-gordon-liddy-john-mccai_n_100134(dot)html

Posted by: wyattobamanation | October 8, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse


"That One" will be the most replayed moment of the debate.

Posted by: bobnsri | October 8, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

What I found shocking was that John McCain was basically saying that he would just take the loans of people who were struggling and adjust the value of their mortgages down to what their houses are actually worth now.

What about all of the people who also brought in an inflated market but have been keeping on top of their mortgages - gonna do the same for them or can they just get stuffed?

Also - he was talking about retirees staying in their homes. Gee - wouldn't they be people who actually brought their homes at a time when housing WAS affordable? Wouldn't you expect most of them, even if they sold and brought within the same market, would have free hold homes or very little mortgage left to pay?

If they took out loans based on the increased value of their homes or speculated on the property market, which helped to send house prices further up and further out of reach of the younger generations (which is a BIG reason why the market is crumbling - first home buyers are priced out of the market and the market needed those people that they shut out), why should they be helped out because of that?

Posted by: JayKay2 | October 8, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Maybe funny, but when asked who he'd put in charge of the US Treasury, he wants another lady, Meg Whitman.
-
Heaven forbid another Palin-drome when Sarah be asked:

"What happened to the Nation's Treasure?"
-McCain "put it on e-Bay!!"
----

I just don't think the US Government is a business, specially with the tax-payers as continuous loosers.

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 8, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

This debate was a role reversal of the Biden/Palin debate. The GOP has painted an effective picture of Obama as an empty suit who can only read a speech from the teleprompter. The problem for McCain is that Obama has proven to be a much better debator than he was in the Dem primary, so he comes out looking like a winner.

Posted by: Outkast1 | October 8, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

in a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
This time the stakes are much higher then most people could imagine
I would like to point out some things You may already know with a new perspective.
I follow a economist named bob proctor who has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
He perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown ,and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
Is terrifying. He thinks it could get worse then the great depression.
Banks in the US are going under one after the other. Country wide the largest morgage bank in the world
Bear Stearns and Lehman brothers , and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms.
And now Fanny and Freddy which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
The goverment took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.
If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash
And we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before
The future of these companies will fall into the hands of our next president
And all of our economic future depends on them reorganizing these companies right.
Lehman, Merill Lynch, and Bear Sterns have survived for over 150 years and survived even the great depression
They are important because the are the biggest engines of growth in america and
they are connected to almost everything.
The last time the real estate market numbers looked this bad was during
The great depression and real estate often leads the way into major economic recessions.
One out of 10 Americans is somewhere in the foreclosure process.
During the last 8 years the average person saw there salary drop instead
Of increase. These are all facts no one will argue with.
The truth is we are only in the start of the worst economy we have seen in our generation
and a very real possibility of another depression.
Bush just like Mcain doesn't understand the economy.
That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it
He does not understand exactly what is broken. Its no surprise that he doesnt. The people that make up these
securities use complex math models very few people understand.
They are basically bundles of thousand of loans some good and some bad that are then given rules based on quantitiative
math. It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this, and the same things bush and mcain have done for the last 8 years
Have not worked so far and wont work in the future.
If you do what you have always done then you will do get what you have always __________
90 percent of the time they have voted the same.
Please don't just take my word for it Start to read up on some of this yourself. MSN money, elliot wave and, bloomberg
Have tons of articles That prove we are in the heading into one of the worst economies any one has ever seen.
So why are the polls even close then ?
The chairman of mcains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues
they vote on a personality composite which means. He is trying to sell personality instead
of results.
He believes people will vote against there own self interests.
Lets teach him we are smarter then that and elect the ticket that can
bring us back from the brink of a economic abyss.
If you think i am kidding do your own home work you will find
We are at the start of this mess not the end.
Mcain admits in the year 2008 he cannot use a computer even to send email
Its almost impossible then he will understand the complex securities such as cdos that are destroying wall street
and the home values on your street.
We are not bulletproof america it time to wake up and hold these people accountable.
How many people that you go out and have drinks with would you really want running the country?
Lets stand up and fight for our country now while it will still make a difference
Lets elect Obama Biden 08
Mccain straight out lied in his convention speech when he said that he would lower taxes for the common man while Obama would raise the taxes. Yes! Obama will raise taxes but not for the common man but for the wealthiest top 5% of the American people in which Mccain is included. And by the way political analysts agree that Obama's tax policy is more beneficial for the common man because he is going to decrease taxes for 95% of Americans which has to include the common man because a common man is not 5% of the American population.
!!!!!!!The Truth is Mccain lies and deceives voters like in his convention speech where he presented the incomplete truth about his policies.!!!!!1
By the Way Grant was also a military hero who won because of his character. And his term was full of corruption. Why?
it is because he had no clue about wat the common man experiences just like MCcain and Palin. Well for all of u who claim that Obama is too young and inexperienced and young to be president. Guess wat? Mccain is too old to be president and fighting as a soldier is different from commanding a whole country's army and handling the economy (which does not only depend on the fundamentals (workers) but on the policies of the president for investors to invest in a crashing economy)and Palin is the worst possible VP candidate because she has no foreign policy experience which is needed in diplomatic relationships with other nations which the VP is responsible for. And being incharge of the Alaskan National Guard which had no crisis to face is not a qualification to be 2nd to commander in chief.
Obama on the other hand is willing to go against issues because of his minimal exposure to the corruption in washington.
For example, he opposed the War in Iraq which mccain supported just because the oil prices would go up leading to more profits for people like Bush and others in washington who own an oil drilling facility.
Mccain is just like Bush who deceived the public and charged into the War in Iraq (very similar to Vietnam war which had no reason but destroyed that country). Mccain lied to the public in his convention speech on his and Obama's tax policy for the common man.
And Bidden is a very good choice for VP because the VP is supposed to be the invisible leader of the Senate and maintain diplomatic relationships with foreign countries( Bidden was in the senate in charge of Foreign policy)
i say Mccain would be a good VP candidate because of his foriegn policy experience and long time in the Senate but asking him to be president is going too far. Having good character does not mean he is right on policies ( especially regarding the economy and the common man).
Go Obama and Bidden the better qualified ticket for the Presidency and the VP.
1. If there was a video of a BLACK Pastor praying on Obama to protect him from Witchcraft, what would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over.
2. If Obama paraded a pregnant teenaged daughter with her BLACK lover on stage at the Democratic National Convention. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
3. If Obama had chosen Sarah Palin if she were a democrat, and then everything happened showing her gross deficiencies.What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
4. If Obama was a part of Keating 5. What would happen?Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
5. If Obama had committed adultery and then divorced his crippled wife who stood by him while he was a POW and married a rich adultering heiress, now has 9 homes and 13 cars. What would happen?Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
6. If Obama had been running the swift boat adds and politics like McCain with outright 100% lies disproved by factcheckdot org. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
7. If Obama had made 1/4 of the gaffes and lies that Mccain has made including the fundamentals of our economy are good. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
8. If Obama's daughter went on National tv and said that Obama dated a stripper and was wild in his younger years. If Obama was anywhere close to McCains moral failings in his life. What would happen? Answer: Obama's presidential bid would be over
9. If Obama had verbally abused and berated the media for bias and sexism the way Mccain and Palin have done. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
10. If Obama had removed his VP from scrutiny by the press and did exactly what Macain did with Palin. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
11. If Obama has been anywhere close to Mccain in the conduct of his campaign. What would happen?Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
I could go on and on.. but my point is... the hypocrisy of the republicans and so many in this country is on such a low shamefull and painfull level that I cannot find an adjective to describe it appropriately. These people have ZERO objectivity and ZERO conscience... Obama is held to a much higher standard because of ONE reason only... the color of his skin.. you racists out there reading this and screaming... know this point and remember it always...
"who God blesses NO MAN CAN CURSE" I hope Obama wins for the sake of this country... The republicans are praying and hoping that the idiots and uneducated racists and bigots will return them to power... Their support is critical and so the only way to appeal to hate is to manufacture lies and innuendo, reapeat it enough times that the "heartland" would vote "white". Sad, because 4 more years of Bush won't help them anymore than the last 8 years have... Am just soo tired of all the hate and racism I read on these sites... people pretending to debate facts when instead they are debating their hate, racism and biggotry... all because they cannot stand the thought of a man with black skin in the white house... never mind the way this country has gone down the crapper and the fact that the two women who raised Obama are as white as them... There is only one choice in this election, anyone with common sense knows Obama is that choice... but then... reading the posts above... common sense is NOT so common... oh well.. God help us.

Posted by: mccaincampaignisalyinganddeceivingpowerhouse | October 8, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

If you want to know what the strings are on McCain's $300B mortgage proposal read http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/18/AR2008061802634.html

Feldstein basically wants to turns non-recourse mortgages into recourse mortgages. So a person will then be able to lose there home and still have to pay the full value of the mortgage. No bankruptcy or other ways out.

Posted by: cpwebb | October 8, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

"That One"....Not for one second did I think McCain was being disrespectful...he was trying to be quick. Do you remember the last debate when John McCain always referred to Obama as "Senator Obama" while Obama referred to McCain as "John?" I didn't notice if Obama did that again tonight. McCain is respectful. That is the type of guy he is. Even Obama would agree. Your accusations don't hold up.

Posted by: callitlikeiseeit | October 8, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

The outcome of the debate is simple math:

No Handshake + "That One" + Cool Obama = Obama won

Out with the old, in with the new...

Then again, I'm a math geek:)

Posted by: jwallace1 | October 8, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Post-debate, McCain's handlers have to be thinking this format was a catastrophic mistake. Standing behind a podium, the men look more physically equal. When the two are walking around, it's hard not to notice how McCain doesn't stand up straight. At the beginning of the debate, especially, McCain sounded like he was wheezing (although I suspect it was the way he was breathing into the mike).

Neither was very good about answering the question asked, something that drives me bonkers when I listen to political interviews, but neither reached the Olympic heights of Sarah Palin in question-ignoring. Obama gave the appearance of being more composed. McCain's abrupt departure at the end looked strange.

Posted by: lostriver | October 8, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

MY FRIENDS - MY FRIENDS - MY FRIENDS - MY FRIENDS - MY FRIENDS - it became more like a parrot and in the end sounds so insincere from McCain.

This is not debate, also just repeating lines we have heard time and time again becomes so boring, have these Guy's ever watched Prime Minister Question Time in the UK, that is debate!

McCain shocked me how slow thinking he has become even during this campaign, he does not look good on his feet at times and wandered around stage as if he was lost, his famous Town Hall events, are staged at his comfort level and he does not have anyone to oppose him on stage.

Barack Obama looked Presidential, precise with policy and relaxed - 2 - 0 to Obama!

Posted by: jaybs1 | October 8, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

I have no desire to make McCain look good, but if his hand was trembling it could have been due to his war injuries. And if he had to lean on a chair, just remember that FDR couldn't stand up without leaning on something and it didn't stop him from being the great president that he was. And 72 is not all that old, really. Except that I do suspect impaired judgment in this 72 year old in his rash choice of Sarah Palin.

Posted by: revjude | October 8, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Be honest about the "that one" remark. Anyone who thinks McCain is genuine racist doesn't know anything about the man. McCain entrusted his campaign to the NeoCon's who have packaged him like they packaged Bush. They stole his soul and left us with the shell of a once great man. Instead of anger or gloating, we should be in mourning. Vote for Obama but honor a once great man.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 8, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh yes, with the repetition of that overhead projector comment I thought I was watching an SNL skit.. not the kind of thing you would expect a trusted leader to focus on while the economy is crumbling and the market is down 20% in 2 weeks ...

Posted by: fairandbalanced2 | October 8, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

McCain may still yet save his soul and redeem his future, but only if he stops the stupid, pointless, and inane personal attacks (Muslim, Ayers, Wright, etc.) Those attacks won't work, but if he continues, he will only be remembered as a desperate loser, instead of a graceful one... Maybe he has a friend who can tell him the truth past the filters of his campaign handlers....

Posted by: thegwoe | October 8, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

November 4, as predicted by the sketch show Little Britain:

http://bruceandfran.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/little-britain-predicts-outcome-of-us-election/

Such prescience...

Posted by: bruceandfran | October 8, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh and I forgot to mention, did anyone catch that bit about earmarks where McCain said they need to cut down on earmarks like "the overhead projector for Senator Obama" or the like...

What WAS that? And what about the hair transplant thing? Creepy.

At least he isn't going on about the bears in Montana anymore.

Posted by: hijikatatoshizo | October 8, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

The "that one" remark will hurt him among independents (and no, it wasn't racist, it was petty, childish and disrespectful but McCain's disdain for Obama has nothing to do with his race), but what I think will hurt him the most is his plan to have the government directly buy bad mortgages. I think he just managed to kill a lot of enthusiasm generated by Palin among the GOP base. The small-government candidate asking for another huge government intervention in an attempt to demonstrate he understands the economy. What were his handlers thinking?? Combine that with the usual depressing effect of sliding poll numbers, and McCain will need a miracle to pull this one off.

Posted by: CohtR | October 8, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

The Nashville Skyline Debate: First Thoughts

First, I must say that this was a very boring and tiring debate. However, with all due respect, I must say that Obama won this debate too. Obama displayed more sound and concrete judgement with accommodations to combat the American people's concerns. McCain was more into throwing slurs continually with no precise accomodations to combat our concerns. There is a time and place for everything and tonight McCain appeared to be in left field and/or in a happy hour stupor with much controversy. Obama won on foreign policy in my honest opinion because I am glad to know that while McCain is so stuck on the unnecessary Iraq war with it's 10 billion dollar monthly habit plus that Obama shed the truth of the matter that over in Afganistan, Al Quaida is secretly setting up shop to attack more Americans. Now that is what we needs, the truth instead of a lot of lying and conviving from Mccain which is what has caused our nations's downfall in the past 8 years not to count the 26 years that McCain has already inhabited the white house. How can Mccain say "country first" when for 26 years including the last 8 he was there in the midst aiding in the downfall of our country. Is it now that he again declares 'country first" in the midst of this election. Then too how can he say "country first" when he has totally disrespected our nation by placing us once again in harm's way by picking such an ill prepared VP. Take a hike Mccain, Obama is the man. We need a true leader, not an intimidator or one who appears to be a perfect candidate for alzhielmers. We are living in perilous times and if McCain has anything much else to do with this country, we will for sure be destined for doom. McCain needs to leave well enough alone and join us all in our support for Obama for the next President Of the United States of America. God Bless America!

Posted by: Nisey01 | October 8, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Chris, from now on, I want to turn off the TV and pull the power on my cable modem and switch off my cell so my pundit buddies and trail-followers can't update me. Today was a preview of November 4 in earnest. McCain, whenever he is faced with his opponent, shows himself to be cranky, agitated, unfocused, and subversive. What was that reference to Reagan and good o' Tip? Ancient History!

The more I see of it, the more I find that a McCain-Palin Presidency is unrealistic. I wish I could unplug but being so addicted to politics as I am, I can't.

And for the record, someone give Tom Brokaw a shot at Secretary of the Tresury. Paulsen isn't cutting it.

Posted by: hijikatatoshizo | October 8, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain emphasized how much he crosses the aisle to work with democrats,but he isn't respectful of Senator Obama, called him "that one" and the most liberal of all democrats, and won't engage his eyes upon him. With so much distain for an important democratic leader who works along side him in the Senate is McCain really showing an intention to work with democrats? Didn't Bush make a similar pledge?

I love Warren Buffet but do we really want a 78 year-old Treasury Secretary in the middle of this financial crisis? BTW McCain's new big idea about taking over mortgages seemed out of touch on a day in which the Fed announced it would fund commercial paper issued by one of our largest, most stable (and AAA-rated) companies -- GE. Mr. Maverick, this crisis is a credit liquidity crisis ... its a little bigger than just paying some people's mortgages... and let's not forget that Fannie and Freddie (which are constantly mentioned as a republican talking point) really have just about nothing to do with all of the privately issued and packaged mortgage securities that have taken out Merrill, Bear, Lehman, AIG, Wachovia, etc.

Posted by: fairandbalanced2 | October 8, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

McCain clearly lost and I understand that republicans are saddened by this.
Sorry about that.
McCain showed honorable behavior through most of the debate except for when he pointed his claw at Obama and croaked "THAT ONE". I am sure that tomorrow will bring more honorable behavior as his minion Palin continues on her racial rampage across the nation.

Posted by: seemstome | October 8, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

dopera2004 - Oh, cut it out. I'm an Obama voter, too, and this whole mess makes me sad. John McCain is a decent man who started running with the wrong crowd - Bush's NeoCon fanatics. He used to be a genuine maverick and we actually saw flashes of that tonight. His proposal to have the government buy some bad mortgages and resell them to defrauded home owners is both innovative and sensible. The NeoCon's, though, have stolen McCain's soul. After an Obama victory, I just hope he gets it back. We need principled conservatives to provide balance and John McCain used to be one of the best. We have lost Chuck Hagel, Senator Smith (Oregon) is pretty much toast, and there isn't another Reagan out there that I can see. To this lis of crimes by Bush's NeoCon' you can add the destruction of the Republican Party. As a liberal I find that very sad.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 8, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

"We'll buy the bad mortgages. ????

I think his people will revolt.

He may have just sealed the deal for Obama with that surprise.

Posted by: jfern03 | October 8, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

McCain has been a great servant to our nation, but we need the youth and vitality of Obama. Most of all we need someone who can revive our relations and image with the rest of the world--to counteract the lies the current administration drummed up in order to go to war with Iraq.

Obama is inexperienced, but he is smart enough to surround himself with the best minds. He will learn quickly.

McCain, although a great warrior, is the same old, same old. As tonight's debate showed, he is void of any new ideas. Obama did what any good strategist would do who is way ahead in the polls; he was conservative, as he didn't want to make any mistakes.

It's all but over. McCain becoming the next President is as exciting as the stories our parents told us about walking uphill to school in the snow--both ways.

Posted by: bobo72 | October 8, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

What can I say folks... you had your chance. Could have voted for Ron Paul. Now we're going to have to live with one of these two obvious mistakes for the next 4 years. Suggestion? Vote them all out. Go 3rd party. Could it really be any worse than it all ready is?

Posted by: Jamtiki | October 8, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

For those bloggers who discriminate and have no repsect for someone with physical impairments due to abuse/torture in the service of our country, get over it. You slam McCain and you look like the fool. Take a moment to be thankful for what he did for you and all Americans. Then Debate the debate...

Posted by: callitlikeiseeit | October 8, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I am from Arizona and I think that John McCain would have made a good president eight years ago. Certainly far better than the stumble bum we got at that time, a guy in way over his head. However, time has past John by and now he appears as an angry old man who can't get his way. That's the way he is but he has always been able to hide it pretty good. Not any more. I do believe the job is too much for him and, if elected, I would fear for his life. This is becoming a job for a much younger and more energetic fellow. Look what it did to George Bush the last eight years. Let's give this job to Obama and hopefully two years from now we can complete John's retirement by voting him out of the Senate.

Posted by: Opa2 | October 8, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

What I saw tonight was a doddering old man, rambling along most of the time, with a few more coherent moments when his brain and speech were in sync. What was in poor taste - granted it might have been a genuine slip - but his reference to Obama as 'that one' was in poor taste - for anyone, but especially for one seeking the highest position in the land.
But what was unbearable to watch was his refusal to shake Obama's proferred hand after the debate. It was the action of a bigotted old man, and if nothing else his action lacked grace and statesmanship.

And yes, Obama won the debate hands down - except for a few diehard Republicans who are blind to anything but - Obama was the clear winner.

Posted by: dopera2004 | October 8, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

McCain won big - Watch the polls, my friend. Just watch the polls.

Posted by: seemstome | October 8, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

The Nashville Skyline Debate: First Thoughts

Comment from my 18 year old daughter

I have to say that Obama won this debate. I am a 18 year old that was inspired by Obama to get interested in politics. Before now, politics never interested me and so many of my associates. I commend Obama on such a superb job and wish him the best in all of his endeavors. Instead of my associates and I hanging out as we once did, we are now sitting home never missing a moment of our future history in the making. I am so glad to know that one day in the future that I will be able to share with my children the political expertise that Obama has bestowed upon myself and so many. He is good at foreign policy also, because at least he agrees to a diplomatic approach not disregarding war, which I think will be an asset to the 21st century. Mccain seems to be stuck in his old ways with the same ole same ole approach in which he should realize that over a period of time things change, nothing remains the same. Mccain and the person that wrote this column seems so much alike in their demeanor because they both seems to be missing the whole picture and they both are into nic picking which is so immature. grow up you too and accept the fact that Obama is the chosen pick by the majority...you win some and you loose some. Obama has won this one and Mccain has lost this one. So move on and respect the truth and respect your country and those that love it. God Bless America.

Janae
Virginia

Posted by: Nisey01 | October 8, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

What I saw tonight. I watched two men, one with experience and one, that would agree with the other alot. Of course with some differn't ways of approach. Mr obama has all the ideas, alot of his own. He never tried to debate his record. Because I think that the one he has, well at best is one of an amature. That scares me. I suffer from the economics of today like most. The last eight years has really nothing to do with either McCain or Obama other than their Records and their Experience. Obama has a small record of Not doing much for Any One. McCain I know has a record that any Person would be proud of, I would. McCain stood by his record. Obama had to many answers,with no answer in them.One time Tom had to let him answer back. McCain Won in my mind. Lack of expierence Really showed to me tonight. McCain will get my VOTE come election day. To many things in the closet for Obama. I think Obama would and will do alot of talking. McCain on the hand has the expierence to ACT. You can "Talk the TALK" This AMERICA and you Had Better "Walk the Walk" Talk is cheap! Its a BIG BAD WORLD OUT THERE. Right now The Greatest REPUBLIC EVER (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) needs ACTION, NOT TALK. McCain WON BIG!!! He Won my Vote Tonight.

Posted by: RepublicWEr | October 8, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs drilled a new hole in Sean Hannity's anatomy tonight with showing his praised special guest Ayers attack front man is a virulent anti-semite. Sean tried to pass it off as having different views on his show, but nowhere do you see that happen. He got caught not vetting his guest and was called an anti-semite playfully by Gibbs to make the point about guilt by association. His attacks for Obama not vetting Rezko and his Ayers association has lost all credibility. It may even hurt McCain in FL with an older Jewish population that will frown on his guest and his views.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 8, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

What I saw tonight. I watched two men, one with experience and one, that would agree with the other alot. Of course with some differn't ways of approach. Mr obama has all the ideas, alot of his own. He never tried to debate his record. Because I think that the one he has, well at best is one of an amature. That scares me. I suffer from the economics of today like most. The last eight years has really nothing to do with either McCain or Obama other than their Records and their Experience. Obama has a small record of Not doing much for Any One. McCain I know has a record that any Person would be proud of, I would. McCain stood by his record. Obama had to many answers,with no answer in them.One time Tom had to let him answer back. McCain Won in my mind. Lack of expierence Really showed to me tonight. McCain will get my VOTE come election day. To many things in the closet for Obama. I think Obama would and will do alot of talking. McCain on the hand has the expierence to ACT. You can "Talk the TALK" This AMERICA and you Had Better "Walk the Walk" Talk is cheap! Its a BIG BAD WORLD OUT THERE. Right now The Greatest REPUBLIC EVER (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) needs ACTION, NOT TALK. McCain WON BIG!!! He Won my Vote Tonight.

Posted by: RepublicWEr | October 8, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

In the final analysis there was nothing new we learned, But something to notice is who would you rather have as the First Lady?

Cindy wears and looks the part,..regal, elegant, proper and formal dress.
On the other side you have Michelle, who decided to be sexy and show cleavage, wearing a trashy redish casual dress that enhances her round figure.

It would be interesting to have a candidate's spouses debate, so we could hear bitter Michelle talking about the first time she was proud of America....

Posted by: Manolete | October 8, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

What did McCain mean when he said "some of this $700 billion goes to terrorists?" Did he mean the bailout is going to Wall Street terrorists (who said "give us your Treasury or your 401K?" )

If he meant that, I agree with him. Maybe he was talking about oil revenues. But Canada gets the most of it. I think Mexico is next. Is he calling them terrorists? What is McCranky talking about? However, "his" suggestion that we bail out the mortgagees is a good one. But he is not the author of that idea, I have heard that being discussed all week. In fact, I think its such a good idea, I think we should do that with the $700 billion bailout money instead. In other words, use the money to stop the foreclosures. That way those in trouble will keep their homes, their loans won't be "toxic" anymore, the banks holding those loans will not have these bad loans on their books and they will start lending again. This seems a better way to solve the credit crisis than to have Paulson write big checks to his Wall Street buddies in the hopes that it will "trickle down." That hasn't worked - not during Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II.

I don't think it was a boring debate. I think it strengthened my impression that Obama is calm, reflective, and presidential while McCain is ill-tempered, erratic, and definitely not presidential.

Posted by: lorax2 | October 8, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

What I saw tonight. I watched two men, one with experience and one, that would agree with the other alot. Of course with some differn't ways of approach. Mr obama has all the ideas, alot of his own. He never tried to debate his record. Because I think that the one he has, well at best is one of an amature. That scares me. I suffer from the economics of today like most. The last eight years has really nothing to do with either McCain or Obama other than their Records and their Experience. Obama has a small record of Not doing much for Any One. McCain I know has a record that any Person would be proud of, I would. McCain stood by his record. Obama had to many answers,with no answer in them.One time Tom had to let him answer back. McCain Won in my mind. Lack of expierence Really showed to me tonight. McCain will get my VOTE come election day. To many things in the closet for Obama. I think Obama would and will do alot of talking. McCain on the hand has the expierence to ACT. You can "Talk the TALK" This AMERICA and you Had Better "Walk the Walk" Talk is cheap! Its a BIG BAD WORLD OUT THERE. Right now The Greatest REPUBLIC EVER (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) needs ACTION, NOT TALK. McCain WON BIG!!! He Won my Vote Tonight.

Posted by: RepublicWEr | October 8, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

To noobama08: It is going to be an unpleasant, gut knawing 4 years for you with Obama as president isn't it?
Well, you're lucky we've had that feeling for 8 long years with Bush.

Posted by: seemstome | October 8, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse


If you would like to know who won, just look at this picture of Mccain and his wife. They left just later

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp10-7-08aaaa.jpg

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

As with the past debates, I opted out of this one as well. My television screen is as cold as ice. These debates do not reveal anything for me about either candidate. The questions are all pre-selected and the responces are all the same canned answers. What I would watch is both candidates in front of an "unscreened" panel of middle class voters, the same voters both claim to understand our pain, and be ready for open questioning. No Tom Brokaw's. No perky Katie Courics. Just a plain hardball panel asking the questions and no one else.

From the comments here, I am glad I did not waste my time watching. It would have not taugh me anything new. As predicted, the media is claim victory of one over the other. Well, the media has proven itself, more often than not, to be unreliable in its opinions. That said who one is a moot issue.

Posted by: mossadams | October 8, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

MOST striking, is it was BORING. OBAMA talked in circles, and used Clinton's hand gestures, and threw in catch phrases. McCain did not bring up Rezko, Davis, Ayers, but it isn't his job, I would think the DNC vetted this guy.

NOT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy09UpI60F8

Posted by: mjno | October 8, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

McCain ought to hide his head in shame.
he spent the whole week boasting of removing his gloves and exposing Obama.
FACT CHECK..he met obama face to face and chickened out.
The closest he could get to obama was calling obama this guy,or was it this man.
anyway i dont bloody care.

Posted by: roberta2 | October 8, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

at the end of the day when people will be in the privacy of the voting booth the will have the moment of truth and vote for McCain who is trust worthy.
the democrats had a chance with hillary clinton. but now it is too late the are stuck with a muslim who hates america.
all the democratic bloggers here who are paid by the obama campeign are so aggressive.

Posted by: noobama08 | October 8, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

As I was watching tonight's debate McCaine got shorter and shorter and sank into the background and Obama grew taller and was standing in the center and he became the new President at that very moment. Obama has my vote. Nothing McCaine says makes any sense.
Everything Obama says makes sense.

Posted by: blakesouthwood | October 8, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Some of you need to stop playing the race card.
Posted by: Verrazzano | October 8, 2008 12:38 AM
______________________________

And which of us must stop, "THAT ONE"?
Take your Dago back to Italy!


Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

------------

Rich!

Posted by: Verrazzano | October 8, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

On a scale of 1-10, Obama = 8; McCain = 5.

It might have been a little closer on content, but Obama won on presentation very decisively.

Posted by: Byron5 | October 8, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Manner and respect were lost with John McCain and he showed us an example of how he would treat World Leaders. Calling Obama that one and pointing his finger at him to make sure Obama knew and saying to a young man " I know you don't know who Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac are" well that's an ignorant comment to anyone. I did feel bad for McCain as he struggle with answers and looked so ill. Obama stayed to thank every guest that came to the Debate as McCain picked a few people to thank and left.

Posted by: qqbDEyZW | October 8, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

The "that one" comment sticks out, because the McCain campaign has spent the last few days making xenophobic, racially tinged statements about Obama, so people are wondering if that was yet another racially tinged comment. Maybe so. Maybe not. Either way, it was dismissive and most voters, especially the crucial Independent vote, seems to have been incredibly turned off by it. It was a huge mistake on McCain's part, especially since voters are wondering whether or not he has the temperament to be president.

Posted by: associate20 | October 8, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

"Some of you need to stop playing the race card. Apparently there is a code that only a few understand and it is used to refer to one as a racist. It is ridiculous and was used against Bill Clinton in the South Carolina primary. No surprise seeing the Obama camp play dirty politics again."


Oh, please. South Carolina has a long history of ugly racial politics and Bill Clinton waded into the mess of his own accord. You don't have to believe me, of course. I'm just a South Carolinian.

Posted by: Paula_G | October 8, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

McCain was wrong on 700 billion (half that) and Obama on Iraq's surplus (59 billion) for the nitpickers. I'm surprised Obama did not attack with a family of four can't buy family health insurance for $5000. McCain did not do enough to change the direction, although he has made better progress from the last debate. Having Palin attacking out there is not the best strategy as most people thought McCain had issue oriented attacks besides his he does not understand. Ayers, Rezko and Wright, Hagee, Keating 5, Al Qaeda in Iran were not part of this to the public's delight.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 8, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I predict that McCain and his attack dog, Vag Cheney, are going to lose in a landslide.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 8, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

You might also want to mention McCain's pointed refusal to shake Obama's hand at the end of the debate. Classy.

Posted by: thaimex | October 8, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

i thought John McCain intended to remove his gloves and start a smear war...am sure he must have chickened out knowing that he and his racist girl friend palin had no case on obama. Its also a fact that Obama was ready to give him a heavier counter knockout had he tried any smear attack.
Fact check....McCain is a coward.
Guess what too, he McCain also needs to attend a school of diplomacy to taught how to address an honourable senator properly instead of saying ..this guy or that guy.
what a shame!!!

Posted by: roberta2 | October 8, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

"McCain looked helpless, angry, and nasty. "

Sort of like Mr. Burns??
Kept looking to see if Homer or Lisa were in the audience....

Posted by: plaza04433 | October 8, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

obama and his team bring up he race card all the time. it has nothing to do with race. obama is not ready to lead. his association with terrorists and denying it is very dangerous. i cannot trust obama.

McCain/palin for the ticket

Posted by: noobama08 | October 8, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

This "town hall" format (?) was a real snoozer. Brokaw could have picked a broader range of qustions. And that last "zen" one??what was that all about?
On a different note--there is an article on the website www.alternet.org that hasn't hit the mainstream media as yet. It is by Dr. Phillip Butler who is now a veterans'advocate & is titled "I Spent Years as a POW with John McCain and His Finger Should Not Be Near the Red Button." It gives an entirely different picture of McCain than the POW-hero one we have all been exposed to. It wlll make you think twice about putting the future of the country in his hands. Check it out.

Posted by: RLVW | October 8, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

What got me was McCain saying the he knew how to get Bin-Laudin. If he knows why didn't he let Bush in on his secret years ago?


TALK IS CHEAP. McCain is a fraud.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 8, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Dear NBC:

Please send Tom Brokaw back into retirement!

Thank you.

Sincerely,
America

Posted by: socratees4 | October 8, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Its over. John McCain looked older and more tired than did Tricky Dick Nixon when he lost the Presidential debate and also the election. It is hard to understand why John McCain wanted the town hall format when he performed so poorly in that setting.

If John McCain has any hopes of winning, he should immediately release all of his health records because as things stand now, he looks as though he would not last a week in the White House!

Posted by: lavinsr | October 8, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

McCain is showing ominous signs of how power has corrupted his mind.
Over the past few days Sarah Palin has incited crowds to dangerous levels of hatred usually seen at K.K.K. meetings.
She openly attacked the press as if it was somehow Un-American in questioning her.
After one rally in Clearwater a black reporter was harassed by the crowd.
McCain elicited one response of "Terrorist"
during a town hall meeting.
The Palin crowd said "kill him" referring to Obama.
This same ugly strategy has been employed by every dictator in modern times. Fear, Intimidation of the press and False Patriotism were Mussolini’s tools. Hitler used these and race hatred as well.
We can't be timid in condemning McCain for these actions or civil liberty will go the same way as the economy.

Posted by: seemstome | October 8, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama has no Foreign Policy competency. No grasp of the complicated issues which tangle every Presidential decision. McCain does and he made that perfectly clear tonight as always. I would trust McCain in a heartbeat over Obama for any situation, in any country. Keep us secure McCain!

Posted by: callitlikeiseeit | October 8, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Senator McCain described the mujaheedeen as freedom fighters. These people weren't freedom fighters they were a loose knit coalition of people--including our contemporary enemy Osama Bin Laden--with a radical interpretation of the Koran staving off Soviet occupation.

This moment was weird. McCain came within an inch of admitting that the CIA trained bin Laudin.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 8, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

McCain won tonight. he will make a great president.
who sat next to mixhelle obama Osama or a NYC taxi driver????

Posted by: noobama08 | October 8, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

McCain looked helpless, angry, and nasty. He has embarrassed himself and his party. He should change course and try to engage in a serious discussion of the issues, rather than going from one gimmick to the next.
It's so bad, the Republican ticket should be renamed, Wink'n, Blink'n and Nod (that's Cindy!).

Posted by: RichC2 | October 8, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

SEN. MCCAIN= B+____________ SEN. OBAMA= C

* Sen. Obama still can't get the Pak./trsts/ B-L issue right. He wants to put sanction on Pak., so they will give up B-L. What a stupid idea! You put hard sanction on Pak., and they will start selling Nks, weapons, and drugs to rogue nations and Trsts. Sen. Obama actions will also destabilize the current Democratically elected Pak. Gov.. Thus, leading to possibility of trsts gaining control of Pak. nks. (Foreign policy: OBAMA= F, MCCAIN= A)

* As for our current economic problems, I think Sen. McCain is proposing a bailout for homeowners who are loosing their homes. It is only fair that middle America get a $300 billion bailout since corporate America is getting a $700 billion bailout. (On economy: SEN. MCCAIN= B+, SEN. OBAMA= C+)

Posted by: lazerboy | October 8, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

So everyone is trying to figure What McCain has to do for the next debate. STOP. Why? Don't you get it or see it? He is old, tired and not sharp. Can you imagine this old man for 4 yrs? Darn he is 72. tell him to rest. Why in the hell did the GOP's pick him? The Hero stuff doesn't work, keep your metal and go back to your 8 homes and live happy.

Posted by: ckuhn551 | October 8, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

I didn't have the impression that McCain calling Obama 'That One' was intended in a racial context. Rather, it was sarcastically dismissive and demeaning, which is how McCain treats everyone who disagrees with him. He's got a very long history of insulting and dismissing folks who get in his way, and this was just one more example of how he would govern.
Posted by: windrider2 | October 8, 2008 12:28 AM
_______________________________

Two possibilities here:
1---You are a HONKIE!
2---You are a HONKIE that supports McCain!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 12:37 AM
*******************
No, actually, I am part Cherokee and I support Obama. Not all insults of a person of color by a white person are racist in nature; some are much more obnoxious than that, and 'That One' falls into that category.

Posted by: windrider2 | October 8, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

"Some of you need to stop playing the race card. Apparently there is a code that only a few understand and it is used to refer to one as a racist. It is ridiculous and was used against Bill Clinton in the South Carolina primary. No surprise seeing the Obama camp play dirty politics again."

And you need to stop playing the GOP card. Yes, some people of smaller IQ seem hell bent on making this all about race, but most of us know that McCain was just being condescending and cynical. However, your quick finger pointing towards the Obama Camp shows your obvious bias. No one in the Obama Camp is claiming racism at all, and yet you take the words of random posters on a message board and lay claim to their posts as being spawns of the Obama Camp. Well, then I can take every racist redneck-inspired comments thrown at Obama and say that the McCain Camp is racist? See how the whole guilt-by-association thing works here? It's just like Obama and Ayres, or Hannity and and the blatant anti-semite Hal Turner. Stop playing the spin game and start paying attention to the real issues.

Posted by: XanderB | October 8, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I thought Obama really nailed this Iraq, Bin Ladden, terrorist adgenda right on the nose. First. he quoted two very disturping things McCain said, "bomb bomb bomb Iran," and the big one in my mind, two days after 9/11 McCain said, "next stop Bagdad." Why would he say this? For the first time someone acknoledged Bin Ladden is still alive and is responsible for 9/11. And one more time all you people who have this hangup about "the surge," and what is really important as far as judgement. Obama was against the war, McCain was for it. This surge is irrelevent because Obama never voted for this disaster to begin with. Obama had tthe right judgement not to go to war in the first place, McCain did not.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 8, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I call the debate a draw. Obama won on the economy, McCain won on Russia. McCain made points with his Chief petty officer remark and pat but lost on he does not understand and that one. McCain's further bailout was a win in my view on the housing crisis. He lost badly on health care to offset it. They were both strong on Pakistan and Obama won the Afghanistan theater. Iraq was a draw depending on your point of view. On overall a slight edge to Obama for better alternative energy and soft facial expressions when attacking. It won't move the polls one way or the other. An interesting sidebar is Hannity's hourlong guest is a virulent anti-semite as pointed out by an Obama campaign manager. Ricky has some splaining to do to boss Murdoch as was evident from the rarely seen passive Sean after the attack.

Posted by: jameschirico | October 8, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Senator Age and treachery is not done yet.
Palin will be holding Klan meetings in his name for the next few weeks. If any black republicans attend it will be at their peril.
A black republican is like a U.F.O. Very few people have seen one except on television.

Posted by: seemstome | October 8, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Mccain has been on the floor of the senate speaking to other senates for over twenty years. I doubt he has ever refereed to another senator with such destine as "That One". It was so offensive for two people of their stature I can't express it strong enough. I am sure it was not lost on the audience. It could have not been worse then if he just called him "Boy". Mccain looked like a hateful old man. Mccain's campaign ended tonight.

Posted by: popasmoke | October 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Some of you need to stop playing the race card.
Posted by: Verrazzano | October 8, 2008 12:38 AM
______________________________

And which of us must stop, "THAT ONE"?
Take your Dago back to Italy!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

What got me was McCain saying the he knew how to get Bin-laden. If he knows why didn't he let Bush in on his secret years ago? Reminds me of the days when Nixon was saying, "I have a plan" on how to get the US out of Vietnam.

McCain's biggest problem is that Obama is intelligent. He can stand up and talk reasonably in a debate and McCain cannot strike hard without getting struck back just as hard.

That left McCain with the hope that Obama would flub something, and he didn't. I believe that means that the polls will continue to move without change in direction.

Posted by: KHMJr | October 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I watched "Hardball" with Chris Matthews, both pre and post debate editions. Pre-debate, Chris was wandering around the crowd asking "Where are the Republicans?" In the post-debate, Howard Fineman apologized for not leaving Spin Alley because of the rain.

That's when it struck me of the stark contrast in enthusiasm between Obama and McCain supporters. To hang out in the rain for hours just for a candidate requires a level of dedication that seems absent from McCain's supporters.

I think this debate did nothing to dampen Obama-supporters' enthusiasm, just like it did nothing to bolster McCain-supporters' enthusiasm.

Posted by: boborudnik | October 8, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

ALTHOUGH I HEARD THE SAME SUGGESTION TODAY ON NBC, McCain claimed he owns the idea of helping home owners by renegotiating their mortgages.
He doesnt pay attention to the real world. He got the idea from a Harvard economist, so McCain thought that meant he has a patent on it. I have been hearing it for a week on TV.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 8, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Some of you need to stop playing the race card. Apparently there is a code that only a few understand and it is used to refer to one as a racist. It is ridiculous and was used against Bill Clinton in the South Carolina primary. No surprise seeing the Obama camp play dirty politics again.

Posted by: Verrazzano | October 8, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Poster wrote this question
What did McCain mean when he said "Some of this $700 billion ends up in the hands of terrorists"?
In my opinion
He sees the world as us v them.
McCain is always putting an edge between groups. This one doesnt like us, that one is a socialist. He has no idea how to negotiate world peace. He is a one trick pony and the name is war.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 8, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Ms. Winky was on the warpath calling Obama a terrorist sympathizer today. McCain sees Obama tonight and doesn't say a word about it. Shocking. If McCain utters another word about Ayers after tonight, after coming face to face with the man he is calling a traitor at big rallies, and chickening out on the issue, we can confirm that has lost more than his honor.

Posted by: wharwood | October 8, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I didn't have the impression that McCain calling Obama 'That One' was intended in a racial context. Rather, it was sarcastically dismissive and demeaning, which is how McCain treats everyone who disagrees with him. He's got a very long history of insulting and dismissing folks who get in his way, and this was just one more example of how he would govern.
Posted by: windrider2 | October 8, 2008 12:28 AM
_______________________________

Two possibilities here:
1---You are a HONKIE!
2---You are a HONKIE that supports McCain!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

i thought John McCain intended to remove his gloves and start a smear war...am sure he must have chicked out knowing that he and his girl friend palin had no case on obama. Its also a fact that Obama was ready to give him a heavier counter knockout had he tried any smear attack.
Guess what, he mCcain also needs to attend a school of diplomacy to thought how to address an honourable senator properly instead of saying ..this guy or that guy.
what a shame

Posted by: roberta2 | October 8, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"FIRST THOUGHTS ON THE DEBATE"

"McCain was clearly out of his element tonight as he ruthlessly turned his replies into sharp barbs directed at himself." "While Obama held his own on the economy, he was clearly unprepared for the perplexity of McCain's self destruction. John McCain has reshaped the election to a referendum on McCain"

"REFLECTIONS TWO DAYS AFTER THAT ONE"

"Apparently, voters perceived McCain's political blunder in the debate as just one more gimmick designed to draw attention from their biggest fear of all - unemployment”

Posted by: seemstome | October 8, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Gotta agree with Sean14 here in having had respect for McCain through the years, though that respect is really waning in recent weeks. His series of desperate moves in recent weeks which began with the selection of the far-right lightweight Palin, continuing through "lipstick pig" controversy, the suspension of the campaign at time of the fiscal crisis, to now the increasingly negative tenor of the campaign. I had hoped McCain was better than that.

McCain tonight limited the negative comments to comparisons of the record. While McCain seemed to occasionally distort Obama's record tonight, he didn't do anything really outside the realm of normal politics. Each tried to frame the other's record in a way beneficial to himself. It was good to see him retain some dignity tonight.

McCain is truly in a tough position having to carry the record of a failed President of his own party at a time of economic crisis with a rampant desire for real consequential change, not mere tinkering as McCain would embody.

In this campaign it seems like McCain is a fix-it man who has come to fix the old house that's in disrepair, while Obama wants to tear the house down perhaps leaving the foundation in place, but rebuilding from the ground up. The public seems to be siding with the view that a complete rebuild is needed, not merely some tinkering or some small fixes. Obama clearly represents programmatic change, while McCain represents reformist change. The more clear-cut vision of programmatic change appears to be resonating.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 8, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

1. ALTHOUGH I HEARD THE SAME SUGGESTION TODAY ON NBC, McCain claimed he owns the idea of helping home owners by renegotiating their mortgages.
He doesnt pay attention to the real world. He got the idea from a Harvard economist, so McCain thought that meant he has a patent on it. I have been hearing it for a week on TV.

2. McCain was so tired he had to lean on the chair. My friends, McCain is cooked.
My friends, presentation is 1/2 the process. My friends, people will remember him being exhausted. My friends, vote for Obama and send I’maPow back to Arizona to retire.

3. Each candidate did best what they do best. Obama was calm and presidential, McCain was on a tirade about his foreign policy issues.

Posted by: ottothewise | October 8, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Who won the debates? ...Blah, blah,, blah...
Strike fear in the hearts of Republicrats. VOTE INDEPENDENT!
Posted by: Esprit64 | October 8, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse
____________________________

And will you NEOCONS vote independent? DIE YOU NEOCON, DIE! And I mean that literally!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I do think that the "that one" comment was not-so-hidden racism and it shows that McCain is a pretty nasty old git. He cannot bear that someone who is intelligent, thoughtful, unflappable, and black dares to challenge his right to be president or best him in debate. When you have the type of personal conceits and self-referential attitude that McCain does, anyone who challenges you is hateful to you and beneath contempt. And I suspect that a black man would be even more so. Using impersonal pronouns meant to describe objects in reference to a person is meant to demean them. What it does, though, is show the lack of character of the person doing it. I have been called "that" and "it", and in my own experience it is a rage inducing insult. It is meant to convey in a very small word a load of meaning - you are just a thing, not a person. You are not worthy of respect. You are nothing. That Senator Obama is able to be civil to this man when being insulted by McCain and Palin on a daily basis is a mark of his character, good manners and his ability to remain calm and collected.

Posted by: sydney59602 | October 8, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

What did McCain mean when he said "Some of this $700 billion ends up in the hands of terrorists"?

Posted by: truth-teller | October 8, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I didn't have the impression that McCain calling Obama 'That One' was intended in a racial context. Rather, it was sarcastically dismissive and demeaning, which is how McCain treats everyone who disagrees with him. He's got a very long history of insulting and dismissing folks who get in his way, and this was just one more example of how he would govern.

Posted by: windrider2 | October 8, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

It is apparent that McCain knows he loses if he says anything substantial. Therefore he attacks Obama, says Americans are great, and adds we can win this thing. At least Obama outlines his plans after pointing out that McCain wanted deregulation, gives welfare to the corporations and rich, and is reactive.
In the final analysis every fimnancial fact establishes that in the last 7 years the rich have gotten richer and the working man has been spanked. You dont need to be a brain surgeon to understand Obama, even as a moderate, will bring some balance to the inequities rampant in America.
Its really simple, there will need to be a spending freeze and attempted privatization of Social Security, if the current tax policies are allowed to continue. Now, add the billions more in tax cuts for Big Business McCain says we need to boost the economy, the oil he wants to drill and send to foreign buyers, and the tax of insurance benefits and you will have a meltdown that dwarves the theft of home value.

Posted by: costink | October 8, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Even the Repubs are after McCain now. Listen to some of these posts.

"Everytime I think McCain might start making a run at this thing, he pulls something dumb out of his butt. For someone to prattle on about big government spending and then say something like that takes a lot of something, and it ain’t good."

" That’s about where I threw my remote at the TV and turned it off.

Got an absentee ballot sitting on my desk right now and half tempted to go down the capital steps tomorrow and burn it instead of voting.

The Republican candidate suggesting bailing out individual home owners. The REPUBLICAN.

I need a drink...
"

"I was hesitant to put the McCain yard signs up in the first place. I guess I’ll take them down."

" We all need a drink, my FRiend.

McCain is no conservative and he is no republican.

He is a disgrace."

I guess McCain's proposal on buying out the mortgage loans (hey, wasn't that in essence what the whole bailout deal was supposed to be? So you want to add another 300 billion bailout to the already 700 billion bailout? Now, I'm no genius, but I think that 1 trillion is a bit out of our price range, don't you?) is not much of a hit for them either.

Posted by: XanderB | October 8, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

ANOTHER WIN FOR THE OBAMA/BIDEN TICKET!

Let's face it, Obama is McCain's superior on all fronts. Obama looks and sounds more presidentail. Obama has better and more realistic ideas. Obams is a better leader. Obama has made the right decisions on the key issues in the recent past. Obama is the LEAST like W. Bush.

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 8, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Two problems with McCain tonight: first, his complex, expensive new plan for home mortgages was clearly concocted for the debate ... three weeks before the election.
Second, it is not a problem that a 72 year old man wants to be president, it IS a problem when he is an old 72 year old with stale ideas and a nastiness barely concealed under the surface.
Steve Smith, LA

Posted by: shsmithla | October 8, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

It's interesting to read the criticism on the candidates. I suppose for some people the best way to handle what they feel as racism is to show how racist they are themselves. It's also funny to read how people actually think either candidate will do anything different from the way the government is currently being run. If you look at both of their voting records you can see both candidates flip-flop on issues. What makes either of them any different than the rest? I see nothing in either candidate that remotely looks like real change.

Vote Bob Barr for REAL change.

Posted by: sswt811 | October 8, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Who won the debates? Please. It's NOT WHO won, it's what won. And WHAT LOST. Corporate interests won. The military industrial complex won. Wall Street won.

Who lost? The American workers. Middle-income families. The poor. The disabled. Our children's education. Our country's infrastructure. Our rights to clean, fair elections.

These debates are a fraud. They are controlled by the two major parties in service to their own candidates, yielding no healthy discourse to include all viable third-party candidates. These so-called debate responses heard tonight were yawning, ad-nauseam sound bytes orchestrated as answers to predictable questions. Never once did either of the marionette candidates answer the most fundamental of urgent questions uppermost on the American taxpayers' minds.

The Washington Post, like all major media, is purposefully and improperly influencing this election with their decisions to black-out any meaningful, objective coverage of any third-party candidates, particularly my candidate, Ralph Nader. Despite being on the ballot in 45 states, running in major national polls exceeding the standard 5%--he is nonetheless improperly and unfairly excluded from the national debates.

This is an outrage. The American people should demand better and stop this corporate control of our debates, our elections and our government. Ralph Nader is a man of the people. We need a people's government in Washington, not a corporate-owned government--which views the taxpayers' treasury as its personal candy store to take as it pleases--evidenced by the recent bailout. Go online and read the actual bill for the bailout. See exactly what Obama and McCain voted YES for--and you will clearly understand how their "performances" in tonight's debate were extremely hypocritical.

We can begin to change this country by refusing to vote for any Republicrats on any ballot anywhere this election cycle. The realities around us are easy to see. We're losing our jobs, our homes, the cost of our foods and fuel are rising to desperate levels. Are we really going to believe the same rhetoric of these two majority parties--especially when they use their favorite word--"change"?

If Republicrats haven't "changed" anything for the better over the last 60 years (on their watch, they've crippled our economy, our people, our roads, our education, our everything), voting for Republicrats again will not change anything now. It's time we took back control of this government. Vote across the board only for independent candidates. When politicians fear their own people, THAT'S when you can expect real change. Strike fear in the hearts of Republicrats. VOTE INDEPENDENT!

Posted by: Esprit64 | October 8, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I would imagine McCain's small govt./private enterprise base was astonished at his proposal to buy up the mortgages of ...well, everyone! Wow!

Posted by: Okonkolo | October 8, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Well, according to the polls on CNN and CBS, the viewers seem to think that Obama crushed McCain by a 2 to 1 margin on everything...well, except for the "Who spent more time attacking his opponent?" question, where McCain had 63% and Obama had 17%. Really shows you the difference in class between the two doesn't it? The American people's eyes are opening wider each time McCain takes the floor. They're seeing him without the GOP-issued blinders on anymore.

Posted by: XanderB | October 8, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I think the most amazing thing was he when he talked about the hard times he had because he was the son of a RICH NAVY ADMIRAL!
That was SURREALISTIC!!

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Nothing to worry about here. McCain will pull off a November surprise, and by then, it may not even be a surprise. I have complete confidence in the insightful brilliance of Rove and Limbaugh, who just a few years ago promised a permanent Republican / Conservative majority. And those are two pretty smart and influential guys.

Of course, if Obama wins, the Republicans will have nobody to blame but themselves?

What I can't figure out is how the brilliant Rove came up with a certifiably incompetent dummy like 'W' to be the hope and vehicle for his revolution.

Out goes McCain and in comes Palin as the hope and the darling and the future of Conservatism in America.

Say it ain't so Joe.

Posted by: Shelama | October 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama was clearly the winner. If you listen and understand what is being said, it is no contest. Is it that the viewers want to see a knock-down punch-him-out fight? This is politics. It takes intellectual thought and analysis. Barack Obama is superior than McCain in his ability to analyze and come up with diplomatic resolutions that support the spectrum of people that make up our population. McCain flat out lies. He is a hot-headed war monger. I don't understand why it is a contest at all. It is a waste of time. McCain will bring the US down to its knees and millions more will suffer throughout our lifetime and that of our children if he is given the key to the White House. Obama is a self-made man with righteous values. He has an intelligent, strong spouse (who, I think, would make a stellar first lady), and is skilled in a way that will bring the US back into the world community as a great power.

Posted by: avilove | October 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

"That One" was very presidential, as always, tonight.

The other one -- the old guy -- he wandered the stage when it wasn't his turn.

Posted by: terry1960 | October 8, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

McCain avoided a handshake at the end, spurning Obama's hand and shoving his wife's hand out. He is old, mean-spirited and has NO class.

Posted by: millerlg | October 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

"That one," "Not you Tom," no eye contact, smarmy expression...McCain is patronizing and contemptuous. I cut him no slack on this stuff; he should and does know better.

Posted by: drh20z | October 8, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Change..........Bush.......um, ah....middle class......Bush.....um, ah...........Bush......

Posted by: JimAK | October 8, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Roberts Gibbs of the Obama campaign staff made a complete fool of himself with Sean Hannity. Why is the Obama camp so worried about the Ayers connection?

Posted by: Verrazzano | October 8, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

"As -- almost -- always, Matt Drudge gets it right..."

What is it with some reporters' secret love for Drudge? It's a peculiar preversion, I tells ya.

Posted by: castanea | October 8, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

They didn't include me (or my next-door neighbor, or my FedEx guy) in the debate, so there wouldn't have been a full range of opinions even if third-, fourth- and fifth-party candidates had been included. As soon as anyone gains serious traction he/she will be included, as Perot was.

Don't fall back on the old "no exposure" excuse – if a candidate has anything to say that's new and newsworthy, the media will come calling; meanwhile, give us a chance to hear from the people who might do more than gum up the works.

That said, Obama kicked @$$ tonight.

Posted by: FlownOver | October 8, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

This was almost a replica of the first debate and if they are going to repeat the same points over and over again I see no need for another debate. Obama is a smooth and better debater but holds socialist views (which I believe do not work for America and always needs cyclic change).

He believes in GOVERNMENT CONTROL and SPREADING THE WEALTH (even if you haven’t earned a share) and his view on the world is more idealistic.

McCain believes in INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, PRIVATE ENTERPRISE and REWARD FOR EFFORT and his view on the world is more realistic.

McCain has served his country well but unfortunately he cannot possible win this election. Bush, who must go down as the worst president in history has let him down badly and any leader carrying the Bush baggage would find it virtually impossible to keep the same party in office. McCain’s image is old school despite his trying to adopt a maverick one whilst Obama’s image is change and he gives all the signs that he will make a good president. Despite his ideology he could even turn out to be one of the USA’s best ones.


Posted by: KingofCool | October 8, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat but have always had a lot of respect for John McCain. That is until tonight and the last weeks of the campaign. In this time of crisis to have he and Sarah doing nothing but attempting to attack Barak's character in the same old Rove/Bush/Cheney method is sad and appalling.

It is beneath John to act this way and an insult to all of us that are looking for leadership, focus and maturity. I expect this from an inexperienced person like Sarah but not John. John we need you to step up and help and not continue what got us here in the first place.

Posted by: sean14 | October 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I recorded the debates on CNN and MSNBC.

One thing should scare the daylights out of the McCain campaign.

Every single time he used one of his standard attacks lines about Obama, (for example, the 'he voted to raise your taxes 94 times' line), the meters for McCain flat-lined.

When he made the snarky jello comment, as a new way of ridiculing Obama, he also saw his standing drop.

The proof in the jello pudding is the post-debate polling that showed that Obama was the clear winner in the poll.

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I recorded the debates on CNN and MSNBC.

One thing should scare the daylights out of the McCain campaign.

Every single time he used one of his standard attacks lines about Obama, (for example, the 'he voted to raise your taxes 94 times' line), the meters for McCain flat-lined.

When he made the snarky jello comment, as a new way of ridiculing Obama, he also saw his standing drop.

The proof in the jello pudding is the post-debate polling that showed that Obama was the clear winner in the poll.

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Howard Kurtz, David Broder, and the other pundits/spinmonkeys to proclaim that McCain actually won.
Posted by: castanea | October 8, 2008 12:04 AM
____________________________

Or David Brooks of the NYT to say "HE WAS RAVISHING IN THAT CANCER RAVISHED FACE HE WORE".

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

The "that one" comment is used all the time on the McCain/Palin stomp... which proves that it was Not "unintentional". Instead, it is a dismissive phrase used to belittle, disrespect, and discount his opponent. It hurts McCain's character and integrity. And, it makes Obama look more Presidential and certainly more Honorable!

Posted by: jacklq | October 8, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

McCain came across as truly unlikeable. I'm positive that his "that one" comment was entirely scripted, and it showed an incredibly tin ear. McCain's presence on stage was frighteningly tense, and his decision to flee following the debate showed total bad judgment.

Posted by: Andrew15 | October 8, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I want to share something with all of you. This was posted elsewhere by someone who's grandmother (african american btw), had said this after this weekend+the debate. She is 78 years old.

"If these McCain people find it amusing to be sneaky about being racists, if they think it's funny to bring up Reverend Wright months after we have all finally put the issue to bed, if McCain and that damn stupid woman taking up space and air next to him find it cute that his supporters think Obama is a evil ignorant terrorist, then how on earth do people think they are going to treat US if he gets in office?!! And it's not only about Obama being black. It's about him standing up for everyone who is not rich. Who may not have the best. Who may be in the minority. Who might need a little help. McCain and his people aren't sensitive to that. They don't care about those kinds of things. And they are mad about it right now. Mad enough to stir up all kinds of evil trouble that we have fought hard to overcome. Well i'm not having it. I fought back then and i'll fight now and i'll be damned if we lose this election over ignorance."

Posted by: XanderB | October 8, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

"That one," "Not you, Tom," avoiding eye contact....McCain is unbelievably contemptuous and patronizing. No respect for the man or his campaign and certainly not for his running mate.

Posted by: drh20z | October 8, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

McCain's hand was shaking at times as he held the microphone.

This man is too effing old!!!

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | October 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

McCain is better at a podium with a controlled camera angle. The lighting gave us a look at how old he really is and he wasn't looking good.

McCain wandering around stage while Obama was talking had me wondering, was the seat too high for McCain and we would see his feet dangling, was he trying to distract Obama .. what ever it was it wasn't Presidential...

Posted by: tphishs | October 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Mccain gained no ground whatsoever. Still a bs artist, still out of touch, still a fear peddeler, still wants to be a war president.
Same old, Same old

Posted by: tommyd60 | October 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Who won the debate? It wasn't a debate. No follow ups? What can this kind of wimpy formless format bring out even from good candidates? This COULD have been interesting, had it been a proper debate instead of a feel- good-but- tell -us- nothing town hall.

Posted by: Cyclopsina | October 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't particularly care for McCain, but the "that one" comment was *NOT* racist. Perhaps a bit condescending, but its really stupid to make an issue of it. We have real problems that need fixing - don't make up new ones that are inconsequential!

Posted by: KDC2 | October 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

McSame wants to freeze spending on everything but the military and social security. At the same time, he wants the government to buy up all the bad debt mortgages across the country.

Sign of senility, stupidity or abject pandering? You make the call!

p.s. How do all you "limited government" repubs feel about supporting a Socialist?

Posted by: bclark3 | October 8, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

The big story from this debate is going to be that McCain poured water on his conservative base, by proposing yet another bailout of homeowners.

I wonder what Rush and Hannity will have to say about that tomorrow.

I think the McCain has just jumped the shark. Or maybe that occurred earlier today when we discovered that it is okay for the Palin-McCain ticket to incite their fanatical supporters by insinuating that Obama loves terrorists, no matter what type of reaction it provokes.

For neither Palin or McCain to have spoken out against a supporter who yelled "kill him" will turn out to be the final nail in the coffin of their ticket, and their party, come November.

No true American is going to tolerate such a lack of civility, unless they are, in this case, a racist of the lowest order.

Mr. McCain repeatedly shows he does not have the demeanor to be president. With Barack Obama, the converse is true.

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 8, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

The CBS News and CNN post-debate scientific polls of undecided voters both show Obama as the clear winner.

I can't wait for Howard Kurtz, David Broder, and the other pundits/spinmonkeys to proclaim that McCain actually won.

Posted by: castanea | October 8, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

The "that one" comment will haunt John McCain for a long, long time. Unnecessary and so arrogant. The body language and that comment speak volumes.

Posted by: smalltowngirl1 | October 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

The saddest part of this debate was the absence of three qualified presidential candidates: Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader. All are on the ballot in enough states to feasibly win the electoral college. Posted by: ctipton | October 7, 2008 11:56 PM
_________________________________

Feasibly? Of course you meant Theoretically, no?

Posted by: harried | October 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Biggest loser tonight, Tom Brokaw, what a tool, although not as big as Matt Drudge or anyone who thinks he is on as usual. We're looking at you Chris. Also McCain was sort of condescending tonight. Does he ever do statesmanly and presidential?

Posted by: havok26 | October 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

McCain did not have the cajones to make in person, face to face, before a large national audience, the accusations about Ayers, etc., that his campaign has been based on for the last two days.

Posted by: nodebris | October 8, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

As a policy question, what to do about Pakistan isn't easy.

Senator McCain described the mujaheedeen as freedom fighters. These people weren't freedom fighters they were a loose knit coalition of people--including our contemporary enemy Osama Bin Laden--with a radical interpretation of the Koran staving off Soviet occupation.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | October 7, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I am utterly offended by being referred to as "that one". I am a black women so I know that tht comment Gramps made was racist......
Posted by: Hheeaatt | October 7, 2008 11:51 PM
____________________________

Don't waste your time,,the "HONKIES" don't get it!

Posted by: harried | October 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

This debate was boring but serious, it makes the distraction politics on both sides leading up to the debate seem petty. That's a huge advantage to Obama and it will make Palin's attacks in the coming days less forceful.

Obama scored on health care and energy policy which was all he needed to do along with avoiding any gaffes. He also continued to improve his image as an effective commander in chief.

McCain literally has about 10 days to develop a broad narrative that changes the fundamentals, guilt be association politics will be punished with the Dow dropping 900 points over 2 days. In fact, he will probably get several calls from congressional republicans to tone it down because voters care about their retirement and jobs not some 60's radical or crazy pastor.

Posted by: Halfaworldaway | October 7, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

The saddest part of this debate was the absence of three qualified presidential candidates: Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader. All are on the ballot in enough states to feasibly win the electoral college. The problem is that the media won't treat them as equals, the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is excluding them from the debates, and Gallup isn't even mentioning their names in polling questions. We are not receiving the full spectrum of opinions. Please contact the CPD at 202-872-1020 and Gallup at 609-924-9600. Demand that they stop discriminating against independent candidates.

Posted by: ctipton | October 7, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

A clear win for Obama. McCain said fixing SS would be easy, yet gave no details. He urged "moral support" for Georgia and Ukraine. For whatever reason, he continues with the line on Pakistan that boils down to "When I'm president, we'll ask for permission to kill Bin Laden". He told a young black voter that he bet he'd never hear of Fannie and Freddie Mac before a couple of weeks ago. And he said he didn't know what the unexpected challenges that await his term as president. Duh. Me neither.

Posted by: cao091402 | October 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain looked old and tired, and he hobbled around the stage. Enough body language for me to be sure that a vote for McCain might mean a President Palin within a couple of years. And that is frightening.

Posted by: rgrossman | October 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Much is being made of McCain's 'that one' comment. I'm an Obama supporter, but I give McCain the benefit of the doubt here. I expect he practiced a line something like: guess which senator voted for the bill -- that one. Instead he said something like: guess who voted for the bill -- that one.

Not a great moment, but seriously low hanging fruit. Obama's camp should stick to substance and avoid the pitfalls of LCD attacks.

Posted by: billducks | October 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Who is Barack Obama? McCain said
He's "That One." Well, "That One" is Someone I will be voting for in November.

Posted by: MILLER123 | October 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Three things came true loud and clear:
1---McCain is OLD!
2---McCain is CRIPPLED!
3---McCain did not stay for after Photos and talks with the TOWN HALL!

Posted by: harried | October 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I am utterly offended by being referred to as "that one". I am a black women so I know that tht comment Gramps made was racist......I don't give a damn what anyone else says....unless you have walked in a black persons shoes....shut the hell up.....It was a racist comment, he was condesending, unlikable, angry, and is not a leader in my eyes....he is not what this country needs at this time!!!!

That and the fact that he may drop dead and his idiot VP could be president is a sickening thought.....and I thought Repubs were for less gov. no?

OBAMA WON HANDS DOWN!!!

BUZZARDS KORNER!!

Posted by: Hheeaatt | October 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

For interested readers, I'd just like to provide some links to additional information.

Download Blueprint for Change
http://tinyurl.com/blueprint4change

Find out if you can Vote Early http://tinyurl.com/vote-early

A better informed electorate is perhaps one of our best hopes for better election outcomes.

Unfortunately, many people work such long hours that they simply do not have the time or energy to become as informed as they'd like. To my mind, this is a central shortcoming of the present state of our Democracy and something that is well within our means to improve upon. Yes, I believe we can.

Posted by: msilverton | October 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

"Our guess? It was probably an off hand (read: unintentional) comment from McCain but in a debate almost entirely devoid of news or quotable one-liners, it stood out. And that is unlucky for McCain."


I couldn't disagree more Chris. McCain has consistently belittled, insulted and demeaned Obama and now his side kick Palin is doing the same.

All part of a very clear pattern.

Won't matter, even allowing for 2-3 pts off for voters who won't vote for a black man for POTUS, Obama wins this thing going away.


Posted by: mathas | October 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

So I just saw a new poll come out....Dream tickets for the president. Huckabee/Palin comes out 5 to 1 over McCain/Palin. Perhaps the RNC should switch out McCain for Huckabee, they might have a better chance at the white house this year cause I just can't see Obama loosing at this point. The problem is news stations are already calling the race for Obama.....switch it up and have a chance, or should we all stay home and just let Obama take the white house?

see poll at http://www.mccanes.com/watchdebatevp.html

Funny Huckabee was just recently named Featured Debator of the year by WathcDebate.com, ironic that McCain would bomb so bad right after the runner up wins debater of the year. http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 7, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Biden are 3-0 in debates this year.

and the next one is on the economy; McCain's worst subject!

Posted by: matt_ahrens | October 7, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Christ. Another sugar coated, not committal blog. Don't want to take a chance and state what is really happening. Maybe because "we" don't have an ideal" Yep. that's it...we've got no sense of what people are saying and how it effects the voting public? Yep, yes, we in the media are either stupid or very spooked to report the realities of this world. McCan't and Mr. President Obama. You in the "media," Pathetic...but you already know that, don't you.

Posted by: Genefox1 | October 7, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

23 "My Friends". If I never hear the phrases "Maverick" or "My Friends" again, I will be a better man.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Cindy Sheehan gets it! She is kicking Nancy Pelosi's azz on Election Day next month!

http://www.usalone.com/cindy/bankers_bailout.php

Now that Congress has totally betrayed the people by passing the heinous bailout for billionaires, which in fact will do absolutely nothing to solve the real problem, we have only one recourse and one imperative --- to remove Nancy Pelosi, the queen of the cave-ins, from office, which we can do in just four weeks, by having Cindy Sheehan win.

Cindy Sheehan 2008
Pelosi is off the table!

Posted by: kevinschmidt | October 7, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain is tactless. Referring to your opponent as "that one." Refusing to make eye contact or say your opponent's name. Spreading smears and guilt by association lies about your opponents. This is classless. purely and utterly classless. Sen. McCain needs to cut it out, or get lost.

Posted by: maq1 | October 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I think that, in both debates, John demonstrated that he doesn't like Barack. In the first debate he didn't look at Barack, and in this debate he paced around or sat in a fairly undignified way. Referring to Barack as "That one" was certainly unintentional, but it was heartfelt - John wants us to agree with him that Barack is not worth our attention (or vote). Barack, for better or worse, gives John his attention.

It's all nonvocal, but it's communication nonetheless.

Posted by: Kili | October 7, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

On MSNBC, when McCain spoke into his mike his breath sounded rasping and he looked a bit frail. Agree?

Posted by: Fiona2 | October 7, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

So I just saw a new poll come out....Dream tickets for the president. Huckabee/Palin comes out 5 to 1 over McCain/Palin. Perhaps the RNC should switch out McCain for Huckabee, they might have a better chance at the white house this year cause I just can't see Obama loosing at this point. The problem is news stations are already calling the race for Obama.....switch it up and have a chance, or should we all stay home and just let Obama take the white house?

see poll at http://www.mccanes.com

Funny Huckabee was just recently named Featured Debator of the year by WathcDebate.com, ironic that McCain would bomb so bad right after the runner up wins debater of the year. http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 7, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain seems intentionally set on throwing this election. On a night when he needed to attack, he coasted on his talking points, and thus McCain lost.

McCain's only bright point was a new plan to help stabilize the mortgage crisis, but absent direct attacks on Obama as failing to deal adequately with the problem, McCain's plan got lost in the shuffle.

And had McCain just listened to Obama and responded in a few spots, he could have pinned Obama against the wall at a few points. In dealing with the economic crisis, Obama tossed out a comment about compromising with foreign countries in setting economic policy. Say what?!? The US is going to engage in UN-type discussions with foreign countries, or we are going to help bail out their banks, or what? Whatever Obama meant, the idea of giving in to foreign demands looks extremely bad, but McCain let the comment slip by without even a wave of acknowledgment. Had McCain made an issue out of those few words, he would have gained at least two points in Ohio within seconds. Instead, he is in the same deepening hole that he was before the debate.

Posted by: blert | October 7, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Surprised McCain didnt drop the F bomb during the debate, like he does in this video http://www.mccanes.com

Take Part in a national poll at http://www.watchdebate.com They want to know what you thought of the debate.

Posted by: pastor123 | October 7, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company