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Exploring the Palin Divide

The Fix had a chance last night to co-moderate a panel at Georgetown University (go Hoyas!) featuring a discussion between surrogates for the two presidential candidates: New Mexico Rep. Heather Wilson for John McCain and Alabama Rep. Artur Davis for Barack Obama.

For the most part the conversation was cordial and rarely strayed from the candidates' own talking points. McCain is the proven leader who has a record of bringing Democrats and Republicans together; Obama is the change agent whose own time in office is defined by his work across the partisan aisle.

But, on one topic Wilson and Davis differed widely: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Wilson said that if she was running for re-election (she's not, having lost a Senate primary in June), she would "change my last name to Palin" in order to capitalize on the Republican vice presidential nominee's current popularity.

Wilson added that Palin brings a "different" kind of experience to the national ticket than do the senators on the ballot; "She is a reformer and an outsider [who will bring] a breath of fresh air to Washington," said Wilson of Palin.

Davis for most of the discussion exhibited the calm demeanor and political moderation that makes him the Democratic frontrunner for the Alabama governor's race in 2010. But he was far more strident when it came to his assessment of Palin.

"She has an infectious personality and reads a TelePrompter well," said Davis to applause and laughter from some in the crowd.

Davis went on to insist that the "old John McCain" would have been "responsible enough" to ask either Gen. David Petraeus or Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to be his vice presidential running mate and not have taken "no" for an answer.

The sharp divide between Wilson and Davis over Palin is representative of a larger split in the country. Palin has -- in her very short period on the national stage -- become someone about whom almost everyone has an opinion. And, it's usually not just any opinion but a strongly-held one.

Those who love her find her aw shucks demeanor and her non-Washington resume the perfect fit for a nation's capital that they believe has grown increasingly unresponsive to the needs of average Americans.

Those who dislike her believe her to be fundamentally unfit to be vice president, ill-prepared -- from a resume and a knowledge standpoint -- to be a heartbeat away from the most powerful job in the world.

Which group will win out in the fall? And, given the lack of impact vice presidential picks tend to have on voting patterns, will it matter?

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 19, 2008; 1:19 PM ET
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Cheney and Palin sure don't like answering questions...... or supeanas,,,,,

Is that a requirement to be GOP VP

McSame advicers paid $2,000,000 to lobby for

LOOOSE FANNIE MAE FREDIE MAC Regulations

more of same DipStick/LipStick Carl ROVE 08

Posted by: dick cheney is a liar and corrupt | September 22, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

will you bumpkins stop your crying about the left, and media... You people are the fat couch potato, Mcdonalds eating sheep that live for the TV.... Sorry did I hurt your feeling concerning american idol, and reality TV.. Thats what the McCain Ticket is, Reality TV... you get what you ask for middle america.. to bad the rest of us have to sit and watch you vote for another moron.. I guess 8 years of Bush didnt work

Posted by: TRUE | September 22, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

VALFOROBAMA - great command of the English language.

Posted by: Pacaderm | September 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hollywood, SNL and The National Enquirer. 'Bout sums up the left and how they get their "message" across. Rational, quiet people will prevail in the end. And if not, GREAT! Everything will be milk and honey as promised by The Messiah - and we'll all hold you to it.

Posted by: Pacaderm | September 22, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

In response to user 37th&OStreet stating it's a "FACT" that Obama was not born in the U.S. and that he hasn't released his birth certificate, I have to speak up against this type of blatant lying and disrespect for the truth (or even determining the truth). The link below explains that, yes, Barack Obama is a U.S. Citizen, born in Honolulu, Hawaii and shows a photocopy of his birth certificate.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

FIGHT THE SMEARS! Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Aimee | September 22, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Vicky Balantine- Are you serious? Obama uses note cards for the speeches he gives (and writes). It is rare to see him use a teleprompter (I have seen a lot of speeches and I think I've only seen this once) Sarah Palin was using a teleprompter at the convention and uses notecards also. I've seen here use the teleprompter a number of times (plus she has the experience from being a sportscaster. It is quite obvious when somebody uses a teleprompter (even when they are as good as Hillary at not just focusing on the screen and reading from it. Sarah is not one of those people.) It was obvious to people actually paying any attention to her delivery of the speech. If it wasn't working properly that might be why it was so bad (waiting for the text to come up or something?) If that was supposed to be her not speaking from one at all then the speech was worse than I thought. That would mean she gives a speech like someone would if they were using a teleprompter, which didn't seem like her style from other speeches she has given. So A, she was nervous and "appeared to be" reading from a teleprompter even though she normally can give a speech without one there and it somehow comes across as a good speech without the aid of one. Or B, the campaign was full of crap and she was reading from a teleprompter that was working and gave a speech in the manner that would be expected from most people (not Hillary) when using one. Does it seem likely that for a speech where she was not using one it would seem she was, even though it is not the typical way she delivers a speech when not using one? Or could she have been using one, as it appeared to everyone but you?

Posted by: Yeah right! | September 22, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I been a poitcal junkie for months and heard most ridiculous remarks from all the candidates. The one the tops it all is when, Mr Gibson asked Palin "What kind of foreign policy experince do you have" Palin reply "Alaska is next to Russia,I could see Russian from my house. The woman is a dumb as dirt. If you republicans what this woman who respond like that and thinks Palin well qualifed for VP, I subjest that all go back to your family tree to if theres any in breeding.

Posted by: valforobama | September 22, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

Under Palin, Wasilla charged for Rape kits

Knowles signs sexual assault bill

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt

Published on Monday, May 22, 2000 9:00 PM AKDT
JO C. GOODE / The Frontiersman / May 23, 2000


ANCHORAGE - Gov. Tony Knowles recently signed legislation protecting victims of sexual assault from being billed for tests to collect evidence of the crime, but one local police chief said the new law will further burden taxpayers.


The governor signed House Bill 270, sponsored by Rep. Eric Croft, D-Anchorage, outside the Sexual Assault Response Team (SART) exam room at Alaska Regional Hospital. In attendance at the signing were members of victims advocate groups, law enforcement agencies and legislators.

The new law makes it illegal for any law enforcement agency to bill victims or victims insurance companies for the costs of examinations that take place to collect evidence of a sexual assault or determine if a sexual assault did occur.


We would never bill the victim of a burglary for fingerprinting and photographing the crime scene, or for the cost of gathering other evidence, Knowles said. Nor should we bill rape victims just because the crime scene happens to be their bodies.


While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon does not agree with the new legislation, saying the law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.


In the past weve charged the cost of exams to the victims insurance company when possible. I just dont want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer, Fannon said.


According to Fannon, the new law will cost the Wasilla Police Department approximately $5,000 to $14,000 a year to collect evidence for sexual assault cases.


Ultimately it is the criminal who should bear the burden of the added costs, Fannon said.


The forensic exam is just one part of the equation. Id like to see the courts make these people pay restitution for these things, Fannon said.


Fannon said he intends to include the cost of exams required to collect evidence in a restitution request as a part of a criminals sentencing.


Palmer police chief Laren Zager said that to his knowledge, no sexual assault victim has ever been billed by the city of Palmer for an exam to collect evidence of a crime. Zager, who has been police chief since January, said he would never expect a victim to be burdened with the cost of a police investigation.


Im prepared to pay every dime in an investigation. As long as I am chief, I would never bill a victim, Zager said.


The new bill would also make law enforcement agencies that are investigating a sexual assault responsible for the costs of testing victims for sexually transmitted diseases and emergency contraception.


Go to the link, above, for the full and original May 22,2000 Alaska Article

Posted by: Sue | September 21, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

There will be no Biden-Palin debate.

Sarah Palin will have some family excuse, like "she's pregnant again", or something like that.

Posted by: El Mugroso | September 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin performed weakly in the Alaskan gubernatorial debates in the 2006
elections. Its no surprise, therefore, that the McCain people have insisted on limiting response time in her upcoming debate. This will greatly lessen the verbal exchanges she will have with Joe Biden.

By the way, Osama graduated Harvard magna cum laude, its second greatest honor.

McCain, elitist admiral's son, partied his way through Annapolis and left 5th from the bottom.

McCain Doctrine = Bush Doctrine = Preemptive strikes against the Truth.

Posted by: seems to me | September 21, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The more we learn about Palin the worse she is looking. From attempting to ban books to squashing the Troopergate investigation, she's beginning to look like Nixon in heels! No more corruption in the White House!

Posted by: Sean | September 21, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

At this point the democratic party is a complete joke by nominating a candidate who has not released the minimum documents which a candidate should:


Let’s look at all of the items Barrack Obama has released:


1. Occidental College records — Not released

2. Columbia College records — Not released

3. Columbia Thesis paper — “Not available”

4. Harvard College records — Not released

5. Selective Service Registration — Not released

6. Medical records — Not released (To see if his heart is alright after all the cocaine use)

7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available” (he wasn't there that day when they passed out the schedule)

8. Law practice client list — Not released

9. Harvard Law Review articles published — NONE WRITTEN

10. University of Chicago scholarly articles — NONE WRITTEN

11. Your Record of baptism– Not released or “not available”

12. Your Illinois State Senate records–”not available”


Not even a certified copy of his birth certificate has been released.


The media should get on this. There are rumors that Obama was born in Indonesia or Kenya to a Muslim family. FACT.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:09 AM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-meets-with-afghani.html

Saturday, September 20, 2008
Sarah Palin Meets with Afghan President Karzai (Transcript)

"Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin will meet next week with Afghan President Hamid Karzai in New York, on the sidelines of the opening of the U.N. General Assembly, according to Afghan officials in Washington."--Washington Post

TRANSCRIPT:

Palin: Oh, Mr. President, it is such a pleasure to meet you, you're the first head of state that I have had the opportunity to meet--which is more than many Vice Presidents--and I'm so glad that my first one is an Afghani.

You know, in Trig's class there was a little Afghani? He was the child of one of the oil executives, and he was so cute, with his little turban runnin' around, everyone just loved him, and felt for him...

Karzai: Yes.

Palin: And everyone knew that we just had to defend him and keep him free and that's why I think that with a Palin/McCain...

Palin Aide: (looking up from clipboard) McCain/Palin.

Palin: ...McCain/Palin ticket, we can make sure of that, if we have to attack Russia, even, I mean, to keep people free at home, just like we want to keep our people free. We have so much in common! I know you have the problem with the poppies, and I understand because we have the same problem with the crystal meth in Wasilla? And I said "Look, we've got to shake this up!" and then that's exactly what I said: 'Look, let's just see what we have in common with these guys!" And that's just what you could do with the Taliban, Mr. Karzai. They've already so moral, and they want people to live by the straight and narrow, and they've got the newspapers sayin' and the schools doin' lots of the right things. They just need to get some of the right ideas, and pray to the right Lord. And, if they don't understand, we still have the weapons left over from Iraq, and then we can't blink, we can't blink, can we, Mr. Karzai?

Karzai: (Looks at Palin silently without moving his head. Pauses.). Blink?

Palin: Right. The thing is, we just have to hit the ground runnin', Mr. Karzai. That's what I do. A few weeks ago I didn't even know what a Vice President does! That's why I put a clock on my wall--do you have the same clocks as we do in Afghanistan? With the twelve numbers? (points in air to numbers on air clock)--Anyway, I said "I'm gonna measure just how much time I have left here" and that's what you could do, I think, with the war, Mr. Karzai, is to put up a clock so you know just how much time you have left until you finish it. I tell you, Mr. Karzai, it's such a motivating influence on my staff, the good ones, anyway, they know what they're supposed to finish and when, they hear me sayin "Look at the clock, people, look at the clock, and know what you have left to finish..."

Karzai: Yes.

Palin: And so I said to my husband, Todd--I call him the "First Dude"--Do you have that word 'Dude' here in Afghanistan?--maybe it's like "Khan" or "Emir" or somethin'?--I said to him, 'Todd, we have to take a look at what's happenin' in Afghanistan--before McCain called or any other thing happened--' cause I saw that Russia was right across from us and then right next to that you have all the Stans (counts cross fingers) Kyrgyzstan, oh, what's the others?--well, you are aware of them, of course, Mr. Karzai (laughs)...

Karzai: (Nods)

Palin: And if we don't let other people know of what I'm aware of, then the world won't change, Mr. Karzai. I know we have the same goals even if we don't have the same God yet...(aide touches Palin on shoulder, whispers). Even, not yet, I meant 'same God even', Mr. Karzai. And my point is, we can't let others stop our choice, which is freedom for those who deserve it, and that's why I know a Palin/McCain...

Palin Aide: (reaching over to touch shoulder)

Palin: Stop! (brushing aide's hand off)...McCain/Palin ticket will do just what you want, Mr. Karzai...

Second Palin Aide Approaches: It's time for our next appointment, Gov. Palin.

Palin: It was so good meeting you, President Karzai, and all of your other people, it was so good meeting you too! Shalom! (waves, exits)

Karzai: (to his aide, in Pashto): She makes the last one look like the Grand Mufti.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-meets-with-afghani.html

Posted by: Emily | September 21, 2008 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Chris: You're getting there, buddy. Finally, an extremely interesting post without a McCain or Beltway bias other than this Hoyas business. Yuck. U-C-L-A, FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. Powder Blue and Gold, son.

They have another depressing football team this year, though. I have no idea if you like college football or not, but Big East football has gotten pretty good. I'd love to see UCONN get a bowl bid.

You like the Washington Capitals hockey team? If they can invent an all-star defenseman and one more wing who can move the puck and shoot they should run away with their division.

Yes, American college and pro sports are huge in Latin America (or is it Spain? I'll have to ask McCain!). How can a country with such great sports and music and movies be such goofballs on foreign policy and economic policy? I know why they're goofballs on domestic social policy already. A country founded by Religious Extremists like the Pilgrims cannot have a normal domestic policy no matter how great the framers of the constitution were.

Self-government is effectively only 20 years old in South America and we got all that stuff figured out. You were in Argentina. It wasn't 30 years ago it was a national sport for Peronist paramilitaries to gang rape old Jewish ladies and now -- admit it -- you'd take either Kirchner or Fernadez de Kirchner in a heartbeat over any of these jerks you cover.

Posted by: DexterManley | September 21, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Based on what I read in the Alaskan papers Palins political career is over if she and Mccain lose. Other then the book advance she may get, Maybe a spread in Hustler might be her next gig.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Sarah Palin can get up and give a speech written especially for her, and "stretch the truth" about her record, and make fun of Obama's community organizing work. Then she continues to tell the same lies that have already been proven to be lies, and thinks no one will notice. Yes she is very inspiring.

Posted by: biggirl | September 20, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Please read article titled “Lipstick on a Pig” at http://www.cliffyworld.com/blogs

Posted by: cliffyworld | September 20, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

If it were any other election year, I would say that the VP choice would not be a major deal...probably have little or no impact. This year is different because John McCain is running - and, due to his cancer issue, I believe every American should be concerned. McCain cannot seem to keep issues straight (early dimentia? early Alzheimer's? cancer back?). And Palin is neither fit for VP nor to slip into the president slot.

Posted by: Nancy D | September 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Not once her abortion stuff come out in the Enquirer. They are rolling the dirt out each week a little at a time as the election approaches. Bristol Palin's it is reported was screw!ng so many guys the chances are the baby is not even Levi's baby, at least he doesn't think so. They had broke up and if you do the math according to what they say. Levi and Bristol were not even together at the time the baby was conceived.


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The base wll love palin no matter what ( after all they beleive in creationism and God picking sides)For some, Palin will be the sticking point for supporting McCain, as the more she talks the less she appears to be of the same world as the rest of us. Obama supporters will hate her for all the attention she gets.

I thought the race is about the two candidates, not the vps. I think the media has exagerated the positive impact of Palin outside of the true believers.

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It was done by the Mccain people. Remember when they planted bugs in their own offices in 2004 and tried to blame it on the democrats. This is the same crap.


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Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that most of those posters who support Sarah Palin cannot spell correctly?

Posted by: curious | September 20, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

THE EXPERIENCE MYTH OF OBAMA

I have worked with the Obama campaign on a local level since December and have met and spoken with Obama numerous times. Anyone who thinks Obama is not prepared for the office of president does not know Barack Obama. I don't think the campaign has spoken about it, although there have been articles written, maybe because it may have seemed kind of presumptive doing all this so many months before he even had the nomination, but that is not how Obama works.
Little is left to chance. So here is what the deal is:

Does Obama have the experience to be president, is he ready? It would be hard to say anyone is ready to be president, but what prepares one for the job?

Obama has been getting ready when his nomination was still no more then a dream. Obama has an advisory staff of over a 300. Most all are the top people in their fields. 4 of his staff are the top people on middle east politics in the world. He has numerous people on pretty much everything you could think of from global warming to world economics to energy and foreign policy to the military. Generals to scholars you name it, he has been working with these people for more then a year. Obama is a brilliant man, who easily knows more right now then any candidate who ever ran for the office of president. He is so up to speed it is astounding. John Mccain does not know or grasp a fraction of what Obama does. Mccain is in effect, a dinosaur, compared to Obama now. Mccain has no real practical experience or understanding in many of these areas at all. Just being in Washington for many years does not necessarily make you an expert nor knowledgeable in "Anything".
Bill Clinton said it best when he said,
"No one is really prepared to be president".
He was right and Obama understood that better then anyone long before he even began his journey for the presidency. So for over a year he has been quietly preparing. Like anything such as being a doctor or lawyer or any profession, your first introduction is academic, you go to school. Obama will by no means be learning on the job, he has been in school for more then a year. When enters office, Obama will be the most well prepared and ready president to ever walk into the white house.
He will also be surrounded by the finest staff ever assembled by any president in history.

If you do not want to vote for Barack Obama I can respect that, but by no means think he is not ready to be president. He will be the most ready man to ever win the office.

Thanks for listening
A Florida Obama worker
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Any American that would complain about Palin's experience to be Vice President needs to condemn the Democrat nominee for President, Barack Obama. He has zero experience in business and his personal experience is in Black Liberation Theology. The Democrats were out of their minds to put this inexperienced racist at the TOP of their ticket. And they willlose in November.

Posted by: NO Experience Necessary | September 19, 2008 11:46 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Most of you are out of control.

What I mean is you just dont get it. Obama is going to lower taxes for people who earn $250,000 or less which is 95% of us.
Maybe its because you dont read and look into things.

Maybe you should look into Keating 5, I bet more then half of you dont know what it was all about. Or all the lies that the Mccain camp is spitting out these days, the Mccain camp does not talk issues.
All they talk about is Obama, why dont we hear what John has to say, so far have not heard to much from him or his girl.


In addition I would not want my gramps running for office just lose a step or two, I mean he is just not in touch with the times.

Im going to place my vote for Obama, for all of us that make $250,000 or less.

I just hope people will wake up before it is to late.

Obama 08

Posted by: KEVIN | September 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

BLUE STAR FAMILIES FOR OBAMA!

www.bsf4o.com

As military family members who support Barack Obama, we knew there was something different this election cycle. More interest in the Dem candidate, fewer Republican bumper stickers than we're used to seeing.

But nothing prepared us for this. Our new Blue Star Families for Obama website went live yesterday (www.bsf4o.com). We expected it to generate a little interest, but hey, we're volunteers, we've done no publicity about it, no press release, no ads, nothing. So we didn't expect over 3000 hits in the first few hours.

Blue Star Families for Obama was started by five Army and Marine Corps wives back in July. We have a budget of zero. You might otherwise know us as the casserole brigade. But in just two short months we have generated chapters in 23 states, helped host a care package service event at the convention in Denver attended by Michelle Obama, attended dozens of rallies and roundtables and hosted house parties across the country. And keep in mind - we admire John McCain's service to his country. What we do not admire is his vision for tomorrow and his long refusal to provide real support to the military community.

Military families are flocking to Senator Obama because we recognize real respect when we see it. The Senator's admiration and support of military families and veterans is clear in his record, his stump speeches and his constant reminders to the country that we should all be a part of the war on terror - and not just by going shopping.

If you need proof, look no further than the new GI Bill. Supported by every major veterans' group in this country. Passed by a veto-proof bipartisan majority (hello, Governor Palin?). A real chance for veterans who sweated it out for years defending this country without question to contribute to it once again, through a solid education and upward mobility.

Senator McCain inexplicably and inexcusably opposed the bill for budgetary reasons. Military families have seen eight years of attempted cuts to our benefits by the current administration. Do they really think we are getting too much? We dare you to come and live our lives for a couple of years and make that argument.

On our website we'll be posting comparisons of Obama v McCain's voting record on defense and veterans issues. We'd compare McCain's plans for military families to Obama's, except that only Barack Obama has a plan that directly addresses our issues.

So we say to the many thousands who have checked out our site in the last day or so, and to the rest of you: Please come back. Keep reading. Decide for yourself. And join us in electing a president who will restore our respect and sense of community with our civilian brothers and sisters, not one who will continue to ask us to serve in silence.

Barack Obama for President!


Posted by: SueMVetforOBAMA | September 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The selling of Sarah Palin is best exemplified by the old medieval trick of selling "A pig in a poke" when unscrupulous meat sellers would stick a live rat in a sack and try to convince the buyer that there was a pig inside,
Whether a rat or a pig, the impression to the American public is still the same, Palin is a pig in a poke and will remain as such unless or until the Repubs let the sun shine in on her activities. The longer they keep her sequestered away from the public at large and the media, there will be no other way to describe her.

Posted by: JJEast | September 20, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the communist with a communist agenda for this country.Do we need a communist in WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Palin will put the loser Obama on that bridge to nowhere.By by Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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Who are Blue Star Families for Obama?

We represent all branches of the armed services.

We come from small towns, and the big city lights. We are wives, husbands, mothers and fathers. We are daughters, sons, and the entire extended family that gives support during deployments. Our backgrounds may be diverse, but we are united in the cause of service to our country.

We are the Military Family.

We are teachers and lawyers, homemakers and small business owners. We coach soccer and volunteer in our children's schools. And at the end of the day, there is often an empty seat at our kitchen table because our loved ones are serving far from home.

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Posted by: SueMVetforObama | September 20, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I think you've missed the heart of the anti-Palin reaction. I don't focus so much on her being ill-prepared in the way you describe, although I do feel that way, too. That aspect alone didn't get me "fired up" and it is no longer the key to why she's a lightning rod, both pro and con.

What scares the heck out of me are her far-right views and intolerance, like a caricature of Newt Gingrich at his worst. Unlike John McCain, she doesn't believe in stem cell research, in human causes of climate change, or in women being allowed to choose an early-term abortion even if they have been raped. Imagine a 12-year-old rape victim being forced by law to carry a child to term. That's Sarah Palin's America. She thinks creationism is an "alternative" that should be taught in public school. She did, undeniably, talk repeatedly to the town librarian about banning books, although she didn't list them, before firing the librarian (then having to rehire her when the town protested). Book banning is simply unAmerican.

I also despise Palin and McCain's constant lies about her record (I took a pay cut as mayor, when she actually got a raise; I'm a reformer, when she appointed poorly qualified friends and high-school classmates, and is refusing to cooperate with a bipartisan investigation into her background; I said no to the bridge that she actually endorsed, and on and on and on).

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | September 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

ALASKA LOVES SARAH for the great work she has done reforming government to work for the citizens, and AMERICA IS FALLING IN LOVE WITH SARAH for her genuine sincerity, honesty and brilliant mind.
It is time to recognize that women can do a great job, many times better than men and Sarah Palin's record shows she is exceptional.
THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND THE LIBERAL MEDIA IS IN DISARRAY, CONFUSED AND FOAMING AT THE MOUTH after the Maverick, John McCain chose Sarah Palin, a woman reformer for VP. Their response has been a vicious attack on Sarah ranging from insults to smearing and the sexist tactics that brought Hillary's campaign crashing down.
OBAMA FRACTURED AND DIVIDED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHEN HE REJECTED THE CHOICE OF 18 MILLION DEMOCRATS and instead of choosing Hillary Clinton for VP, he chose an old Washington politician Joe Biden, and by this grave mistake in choice, negated the flag of "change" Obama had been waiving and replaced it with the flag of "more of the same".
On the other side, THE MAVERICK STOLE THE MANTRA OF CHANGE FROM BARACK WHEN HE SELECTED A WOMAN REFORMER FOR VP, who has gained the respect of the State she governs as well as of the nation governors.
THE MCCAIN/PALIN TICKET HAS GIVEN HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA TO ALL THE 18 MILLION FORMER HILLARY SUPPORTERS who now have a very compelling reason to vote for the republican ticket, as a way to put their country first by electing a president that has the qualifications, experience and love for our country and at the same time elect a woman to the White House as equal partners in governance and leadership of our country.
Country First!

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!

Posted by: Manolete | September 20, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Palin can see Russia from her house, closer to Russia than the lower 48. They must have tea, the Kremlin and Palin all the time. So no worries - put this Russian in the White House.

Posted by: alabama | September 20, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Under Palin, Wasilla Charged Rape Victims for Rape Kits!

She's no feminist, she's a lying loon!

(Former Gov) Knowles broke new ground while answering a reporter's question on whether Wasilla forced rape victims to pay for their own forensic tests when Palin was mayor.

True, Knowles said. Eight years ago, complaints about charging rape victims for medical exams in Wasilla prompted the Alaska Legislature to pass a bill -- signed into law by Knowles -- that banned the practice statewide."

There was one town in Alaska that was charging victims for this (Rape kits), and that was Wasilla," Knowles said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPTVybEndIo

Biden, on the other hand, authored the Violence Against Women Act.

Palin Earmarks? New and NOW! The Knik Arm Crossing- $400-600 Million

It's the Other "Bridge to Nowhere" strictly for Wasilla and its developers. You and I get to help pay for while our infrastructure crumbles.

mccain/palin - WHEN PIGS FLY!

BLUE STAR FAMILIES FOR OBAMA!

Posted by: SueMVetforObama | September 20, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The fairytale about Obama being raised by a single mother on food stamps, which an Obamite raised below, is about the biggest lie the Obama camp spreads, and God knows they spread a lot of them. Obama's father, the one with the black skin, abandoned him and his mother. Obama's mother also deserted him, leaving his WHITE grandmother to raise him. A grandmother who was vice president of a BANK. He went to the best private school in Hawaii and went by the name BARRY. So Obamites, let's get the facts straight, shall we? Stop spreading the lie that he was a poor black man who was raised on food stamps and fought his way through life. He had a free ride every day of his life once he went to live with Grandma, the same Grandma he threw under the bus.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | September 20, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I am very impressed with Sarah Palin. When she talks, I feel as if she is talking directly to me. She also talks in a way that I completely understand what she says. She is one of the people.

With no disrepect to the other three candidates, she is by far the best of the bunch.

Posted by: John | September 20, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

One things for sure; she's moved the all-important libertarian swing vote into the GOP column.

In 2006, the Democrats had a large claim on this all-important voting bloc. But now McCain has chosen a women as his VP who had to her credit friendly ties to the Alaska Libertarians, including having been a guest speaker at two of their meetings.

Libertarians tipped the election in 2006. They'll do so again this year, but this time the other way, to the GOP.

Posted by: Eric Dondero | September 20, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

The base wll love palin no matter what ( after all they beleive in creationism and God picking sides)For some, Palin will be the sticking point for supporting McCain, as the more she talks the less she appears to be of the same world as the rest of us. Obama supporters will hate her for all the attention she gets.

I thought the race is about the two candidates, not the vps. I think the media has exagerated the positive impact of Palin outside of the true believers.

Posted by: nclwtk | September 20, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I think both sides see the same qualities in Palin - she is mean and ignorant. One side sees these as negative qualities and one side sees them as postive qualities.

Posted by: renu1 | September 20, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Any American that would complain about Palin's experience to be Vice President needs to condemn the Democrat nominee for President, Barack Obama. He has zero experience in business and his personal experience is in Black Liberation Theology. The Democrats were out of their minds to put this inexperienced racist at the TOP of their ticket. And they willlose in November.

Posted by: NO Experience Necessary | September 19, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

No one gives a sh&t about Palin. She is an i indictment of Mccain's judjment. She is just a political stooge

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The fact that obama supporters are questioning the credentials of the bottom of the opposition ticket tells volumes.If he was my candidate I would be proud that he was a state senator and ran a college newspaper.I forgot he was a community organizer. Sure I'd be real proud.

Posted by: DJM | September 19, 2008 9:11 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Ann Coulter is like Alex Rodriguez; she swings a mean bat all season long, but when the Summer ends and things really start to count, she’s all but AWOL. Aside from some comments she made to fringe media and on her website, she’s been all but absent this election season. Let’s not forget this when we have to endure a new eruption of her pollution 4 months from now in the mainstream media. Let’s please remember to ask her why she decided to lay low silently in her cave, when, in theory, her “wisdom” was needed most.

It’s not easy to find comments by Coulter regarding the appointment of Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate. Think about it: a female conservative candidate, theoretically attractive, vitriolic, sharing all of Coulter’s views, possibly soon a heartbeat from the presidency, and Coulter has nothing to say about Palin— surely her soul-sister— to the mainstream media? To me this is either a sign that Coulter herself realizes just how malignant she is, and is acting to censor herself to prevent damage to the Republican ticket, or she is being controlled and told to stay quiet. Either way, hardly the picture of an indispensable voice of a social movement.

This is what she had to say about Palin to Newsmax.com on September 7, 2008: “The feminists just figured out that Sarah Palin has debunked everything they’ve believed for the past 40 years. Plus, they’re bitter dried-up hags and she’s a major hottie.”

Coulter is now calling herself a “Polemicist”. Apparently she’s trying to cloak herself in some sort of quaint, intellectual garbage--- the type of stuff she has made her career out of mocking in others— in order to convince people she has actually been carrying out some sort of noble intellectual tradition all this time. And you thought she was just a castrating she-devil. I’m delighted in this term Polemicist because I’m quite sure a large number of her adherents will take this to mean she supports having multiple spouses. Polemic Journalism has its roots in feudal Europe, by the way, (an era which is surely a great source of Republican thinking). It was pretty much done away with the advent of libel laws. So when someone tells you the Republicans are trying to take us back to the Dark Ages, well, you just say, “you ain’t kidding.”

Posted by: Scatoma | September 19, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

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Palin Comments Prove She is Clueless on Iran Nuclear Issue
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Palin proves yet again why she is not qualified to be VP. AP reported Palin blamed the democrats for the rescinded invitation to the Iran Rally. In her statements, Palin strongly asserted:

"This should be an issue that unites all Americans. Iran should not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period,"

Palin is clearly clueless about the Iran nuclear issue. Iran is not trying to “acquire” nuclear weapons. The issue with Iran is far more serious--Iran has the nuclear technology which could lead to their ability to build nuclear weapons. Iran has a uranium mine, a nuclear reactor, and uranium processing facilities. The processing facility enables them to enrich uranium.

Iran maintains their nuclear program is for civil nuclear power. A country has the right to enrich uranium for fuel, provided the level does not exceed a level suitable for civil nuclear power. Countries enriching uranium must submit to inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Nuclear weapons require a much higher grade of enriched uranium than uranium for civil power. However, a country capable of enriching uranium for civil power is essentially capable of enriching weapons grade uranium.

Iran is very secretive about their nuclear program—they simply refuse to cooperate with IAEA inspectors. Given the concerns about Iran peace intentions, the UN Security Council wants Iran to halt its nuclear program.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has vowed to resist international pressure. In February, Ahmadinejad announced Iran would resume "commercial-scale uranium enrichment" and halt snap check inspections of its nuclear facilities by IAEA inspectors.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The fact that obama supporters are questioning the credentials of the bottom of the opposition ticket tells volumes.If he was my candidate I would be proud that he was a state senator and ran a college newspaper.I forgot he was a community organizer. Sure I'd be real proud.

Posted by: DJM | September 19, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin is the governor of Alaska (AK), not Alabama (AL). If she could truly see Russia from Alabama she deserves your vote, and you need a pair of her glasses!

Posted by: Memphis99 | September 19, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is using his senate office to cover up racism against Hispanics.

Posted by: Marcus | September 19, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Refuses to show tax returns, refuses to comply in troopergate, no abortion for rape and incest, shoots bears from low flying planes, teenager pregnant, 5 children (1) with down syndrome, attended 6 colleges, bankrupts AL as Mayor, for he bridge before she was against it, Religion is questionable. Uses her Yahoo account for business. Has foreign relations exp. because she can see Russia from AL. I just do not see how we could have found a better candidate for VP.

Sarah, Todd and what his name are a great team - you have my vote.

Posted by: hottpics | September 19, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

A friend of mine went to Syracuse Law shortly after Biden. He's really surprised that Biden's cheating scandal there isn't more of a big deal. Personally, I'm more concerned about his adopting the persona of a coal miner's son. That little wackadoo scenario cost him his 1988 presidential bid, but seems to have been forgotten by the media. Is nobody concerned about a nut job like Biden, who can't even remember his own life story, could be a heartbeat away from the presidency?

Posted by: TommyF | September 19, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Of course it matters. It matters in this day and age and it especially matters with McCain's age and viability. This woman, with her breath of fresh air and all the rest of the nonsense, should have been his press spokesman but not the VP. Based on everything I have read from Alaskan papers and sources, she doesn't even have a successful record of accomplishment of mayor of a small town and governor of Alaska. She should have her own late night HBO comedy special, though she is not even that funny anymore. She is a disaster and should not step one foot inside that White House or the Naval Conservatory, which will end up as trashed as the little town of Wasilla when she was finished with it.

Posted by: TJW | September 19, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has energized working class women and men in a way I have never seen before. I think we are seeing the rise of a Red State Feminism, defined in very different terms than Blue State Feminism. And from what I can see among the mothers and daughters crowding her events in every state, it is going to be a powerful force to reckon with. Over 75% of working women do not identify themselves as feminists, because that label has been attached to policy positions they do not support. But seeing a woman governor on the ticket as the VP candidate--a woman who didn't go to Harvard, who ran her own business, who is happily married to the same guy, who has kids (many), who is not convinced that abortion is the answer to the irresponsible behavior of men, who believes in equal pay for equal work, who thinks that women can and should be governors of states and anything else they want to be, who thinks that evolution should be taught in the schools but that it should be made plain this doesn't contradict any belief in God, who feels that explicit sex education is not a role to be played by our schools but by our families, who feels that homosexuality is fundamentally misogynist . . . . now this is a woman that working class women and men can relate to, and they are wild with joy to be able to vote for a woman who reminds them of the strong women they live with in their families and communities.

Don't be surprised to see a new breed of Red State Feminists wrangle with Blue State Feminists over who has the better claim to what it really means to be a feminist . . . Every woman who brought her daughter to see Sarah Palin is part of this new movement. And it was Sarah Palin who brought it all about, bless her.

I came across this T-shirt--I think it says it all:
cafepress.com/redstatefems

Posted by: GoodReason | September 19, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Everybody RUN...

the HomeComing Queen's got a GUN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59mOukUZNUo

Posted by: BluePride | September 19, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

The only change that Obama will bring you is the kind that jingles after you cash your paycheck. He'll spend all the folding money for you. Unless you don't work. Then, you'll get a "tax cut"; we used to call that welfare. No, Obama. Keep the change.

Posted by: TommyF | September 19, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting theory, you have, "Huh?" So, Reagan had nothing to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union? And, I'll bet that when the Soviets referred to you lefties as "Useful Idiots," that was really code for "insightful genius". Stick with your Beatles ended the cold war theory. I smell a Nobel Prize coming your way. You really are an insightful genius. Who cares what the Soviets thought anyway?

Posted by: TommyF | September 19, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I used to wonder how people could get scammed and not realize they were in the middle of the scam, then comes Palin. She has you guys snowed. I hope you research your babysitters much harder than you have Palin, because if you had you wouldnt be a fan of hers.........

Posted by: Huh? | September 19, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Palin is acting EXACTLY like George Bush. Considers herself above the law and willing to politicize government agencies for personal gain.

We've been watching this same tired show for the last 8 years. Time for a change!

Posted by: MarcMyWords | September 19, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I can't resist putting up my little skit here too...

A little scene from the Holocaust II Rally today...

"Sarah Sarah...

"when Chaffee called you a cuckoo whacko...

well...it wasn't a compliment"

"oh...it wasn't?"

"No ...uhm so you might want to reign it in a little"

"okee"

"didn't you like the fist wave in the air as I said Iran though...pretty bad a$$ huh?"

"uh huh...listen and it's n-uc-le-ar"
"oh gosh that's what I said like the honorable President Bush...Nukular"

"uh no....nononono...Nu kle arhhh"

"Nnnuuuukkkullleeaarhhh"

the aide stares...

"good ...goood enough"

"you know I can see Rush..."

"yeah yeah we know from your house(ugh)"

"and I could almost see Iran if the 'first dude' had taken down that big dutch elm in the side yard"

the aide quits.

Posted by: dl | September 19, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is the change agent whose own time in office is defined by his work across the partisan aisle."

Are you serious? To the sophmoric dilettante who wrote this crap, get a life!

Posted by: Adriana Cruz | September 19, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is the change agent whose own time in office is defined by his work across the partisan aisle."

Are you serious? To the sophmoric dilettante who wrote this crap, get a life!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

If the McCain/Palin/Republicans TAX OUR HEALTH CARE BENEFITS as proposed by the lobbyist close to them, this will take an additional chunk out of my already dwindling salary.

My secondary concern is that now that this proposal has become a campaign issue - McSame is going to TALK and LIE about his position on this IMPORTANT matter also.

This vital issue has but one COLOR - GREEN!!

The money to pay for the McSame/Palin WARS has to come from somewhere.

With that I can understand why paying (my FAIR share of) TAXES is a patriotic duty.

Posted by: The"RIGHT" Stuff | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

If the McCain/Palin/Republicans TAX OUR HEALTH CARE BENEFITS as proposed by the lobbyist close to them, this will take an additional chunk out of my already dwindling salary.

My secondary concern is that now that this proposal has become a campaign issue - McSame is going to TALK and LIE about his position on this IMPORTANT matter also.

This vital issue has but one COLOR - GREEN!!

The money to pay for the McSame/Palin WARS has to come from somewhere.

With that I can understand why paying (my FAIR share of) TAXES is a patriotic duty.

Posted by: The"RIGHT" Stuff | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

sarah knows how to keep her man ladies she stays in the bed and shes got the gap to prove it.and now her daughter is working on her gap.i figure the population in alaska is going up every day because when sarah talks women listen.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

sarah knows how to keep her man ladies she stays in the bed and shes got the gap to prove it.and now her daughter is working on her gap.i figure the population in alaska is going up every day because when sarah talks women listen.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't use the term 'teleprompter' with reegards to Sarah Palin if I were you.
The world's best teleprompter reader is Mr. Obama, who is almost speechless is he hasn't got his soother' with him. Yepper, he reads a great speech!!!! BTW Sara could still give a speech, which she proved during the RNC, without a teleprompter working properly. One would never had guessed, if we hadn't been told.
The media sure has brought out the worst in us. Fair and balanced? I do know for sure that Obama has beaten Bush on deviding our country. He has done ZIP except read a good speech. With his plans for a huge government, he'll still not have to work a day in his life if he is president. He's reversed himself from everything he once stood for. Considering he's starting at the TOP instead of working his way up.....not a bad days pay ,huh, Mr. World Himself?

Posted by: vicky ballantine | September 19, 2008 5:38 PM

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First off Palin has used a teleprompter the entire time since her VP announcement. To make matters worse its the SAME EXACT speech everytime.

And once and for all the teleprompeter DID NOT MALFUNCION. See that is what we call in the real world a LIE.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/15/palin-tells-debunked-teleprompter-tale/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/philip_sherwell/blog/2008/09/16/is_sarah_palin_embellishingagain

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/palin-and-the-t.html

She has been asked a total of three questions from the crowds at her GOP lovefest. Onse such respose here:
McCain has called Palin the “smartest person in the country” when it comes to energy policy (Which is absurd onto itself) When asked if US Companies would be guaranteed the oil from a new expansion of Alaskan drilling she responded:
“Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first." Hugh? Is there an actual thought in there?

Love how Obama started at the TOP. LOL i guess being raised by a single mother on food stamps is the TOP. Like most everything you say in your post, you confuse your biased OPNION as fact without regard to accruacy.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 19, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

feastorafamine he used his senate office to cover up racism against Hispanics.

Posted by: Marcus | September 19, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain can't use a computer so how did he create the blackberry?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin scare me. They have no understanding of the economy.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

john mccain campagin manager sent ads to the wrong states asking for white votes he just found out.john ask what states did you send them to he told him atlanta and detroit man he is pissed he wanted them sent to alaska and utah.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin is absolutely the most transformative compelling politician I've ever known. The last election was so dismal I didn't even vote. But now I'm not only going to vote R for the first time ever - I've actually donated to their campaign!

I used to laugh at people telling me what it was like when JFK (or now BHO) changed their lives. Well, I now know what that feels like.

Even if she loses, I have a new hope that there is still good in America and this world. Maybe, all the snobs and elites in the cities will let the rest of us start up our own separate "Middle America." I know I'd want to move there.

Posted by: Vern | September 19, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

re: "She has an infectious personality and reads a TelePrompter well," said Davis...

The response from the Obama camp brings some real hypocrisy with it, doesn't it?

Sarah Palin has proven to America that even the GOP VP candidate has more experience than Obama does.

Why did the DNC hand-pick Obama?
Because he has a personality that sends tingles up the legs of journalists.

In addition (especially when there are Greek columns) he reads a teleprompter extremely well.

Is Obama the least bit embarrassed, trying to ridicule Sarah Palin, when the fact is, most people reading this have more experience to be Presdient than Barack Obama does... including Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Jan | September 19, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Why does the rest of the world want Obama to win? Quite simply, because they don't have American's interests at stake; they view Obama from the perspective of their own interests. That alone should give any American pause . . . Should I or any American care what the Germans or French or British think about who should be our President? I don't care who their Chancellor or Prime Minister is, and I certainly don't care what they think about who should win an AMERICAN election. They are welcome to him!

Posted by: Chad3337 | September 19, 2008 5:23 PM

Sorry, but I know at least two members of Obama's Harvard Law School class, and he was no genius like everyone tries to suggest. He was, plain and simple, an affirmative action choice. The President of the Law Review is ELECTED folks, not selected based on grades or class performance. If Obama's such a genius, why doesn't he release his Punahou High School, Occidental College or Columbia University grades??? Or his law school transcript, LSAT scores or Harvard transcript? Was he Order of the Coif at Harvard? The only extant samples of his scholarly work are poorly written and poorly conceptualized.

I think it's time to get off of this intellectually superior meme.

Further, I'd like anyone to prove that intellect is the most important character of a leader. There are many, many others. Sorry, but I'll take courage and the ability to cut a deal and forge coalitions over someone who believes themselves to be intellectually gifted. Failing to choose Hillary as his VP--there's real political savvy for 'ya!

Posted by: Chad3337 | September 19, 2008 5:36 PM


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AMEN!
Lets go it alone. Lets make all our decisions in unilateral fashion. The whole world is part of a conspiracy to make sure Obama is elected. Dissolve the United Nations. Ignore any opinions from world leaders

Koo Koo
Koo Koo

climb back into your little clock.

Next up Obama was elected to Harvard Law Review President because of the huge amount of respect he recieved from his peers. His academic achievements are well documented. His high school grades are irrelevant. What about Mccain's grades?

He was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899

Did obama finish 5th lowest in his academic institutions?

OOPS!
Once again all you poeple seem to do is suggest there "has to be something more lurking" about Obama.
You have yet to produce it

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 19, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, speaking of your latent fascists, you might think about that Obama thing . . . Or did you forget the gestapo tactics at the Caucuses, the "I am the World" speech in Berlin, the faux Presidential seal, or the Barackapolis at the Convention. Let's see, refusal to release records, flooding the radio lines when investigative journalists try to speak, and the "missing" State Senate records. You've got yourself a WORLD CLASS AUTHORITARIAN there, pal, so I wouldn't be throwing stones at Palin's house if I were you.

Posted by: Chad3337 | September 19, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

IT'S TRUE - Sarah Palin was John McCain's ATTEMPT to get black men's attention off of Barak Obama and vote for him.

Posted by: Lame McSame | September 19, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Barack has an infectious personality and reads a TelePrompter well" America does not find it funny he is on the top of the Ticket.

Palin is not a bubblehead like Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
I wouldn't use the term 'teleprompter' with reegards to Sarah Palin if I were you.
The world's best teleprompter reader is Mr. Obama, who is almost speechless is he hasn't got his soother' with him. Yepper, he reads a great speech!!!! BTW Sara could still give a speech, which she proved during the RNC, without a teleprompter working properly. One would never had guessed, if we hadn't been told.
The media sure has brought out the worst in us. Fair and balanced? I do know for sure that Obama has beaten Bush on deviding our country. He has done ZIP except read a good speech. With his plans for a huge government, he'll still not have to work a day in his life if he is president. He's reversed himself from everything he once stood for. Considering he's starting at the TOP instead of working his way up.....not a bad days pay ,huh, Mr. World Himself?

Posted by: vicky ballantine | September 19, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S MISPLACED TRUST?


Is Obama ceding the economy issue to Paulson and Bernanke and the people he wants to replace in a Democratic victory?

Instead of urging the Democratic Congress to delay their adjournment and act as a full partner in forging a new economic policies, Obama seems to be saying that it's a Hank-and-Ben show for the short-term.

That was a strategic error. Instead, he should have said that the Dems must act as the vigilant watchdogs, and must demand a seat at the table right now. They do hold the majority in Congress; why are they content to take a back seat and leave the driving to the people they've blamed for tanking the economy in the first place?

Also, Obama should have signaled his concern about the root causes of the crisis... and whether an unquestioning rubber-stamp of the administration's emergency legislation will help further a hidden agenda that could endanger democracy:


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

OR BOOKMARK

members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 19, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is not devoid of pretense. In fact, she is one big lie. The reason she's so convincing is that she probably, heaven help us, believes her own hooey. Responsible journalists have disproved so many of her claims that it's difficult to believe that anything she says is true.{"I said no to the bridge to nowhere" is only one of her many blatant distortions.) Beneath the just-a-regular-gal routine is a ruthless and ambitious woman who cares only if you're for her or against her - a judgment she makes on a gut level, without regard for an individual's other merits. This is no way to delegate responsibility - essential to the making of an effective executive. Elected, she would be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Make no mistake - this is an authoritarian personality - a latent fascist who, give the opportunity, would strip us of our liberties.

Posted by: Deborah Klugman | September 19, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but I know at least two members of Obama's Harvard Law School class, and he was no genius like everyone tries to suggest. He was, plain and simple, an affirmative action choice. The President of the Law Review is ELECTED folks, not selected based on grades or class performance. If Obama's such a genius, why doesn't he release his Punahou High School, Occidental College or Columbia University grades??? Or his law school transcript, LSAT scores or Harvard transcript? Was he Order of the Coif at Harvard? The only extant samples of his scholarly work are poorly written and poorly conceptualized.

I think it's time to get off of this intellectually superior meme.

Further, I'd like anyone to prove that intellect is the most important character of a leader. There are many, many others. Sorry, but I'll take courage and the ability to cut a deal and forge coalitions over someone who believes themselves to be intellectually gifted. Failing to choose Hillary as his VP--there's real political savvy for 'ya!

Posted by: Chad3337 | September 19, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

repubs are not racist their invitations just didn't make it to everyone on time for the convention.oh yeah they voted not to bring the rebel flags because others might be watching and they thought they might get a vote or two from them.you tell me who them is.campaign saying is look folks we are one of you and the people yell back at them saying ya better be or we wouldn't be here.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between Sarah Palin & George Bush? - Lipstick

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear Anonymous - Yup. Top 10%, too. Hard to believe. Dear Huh? - Thanks for the clarification that Reagan was only popular with GOPers. Why does the term "Reagan Democrat" sound so familiar?? Thanks for your brilliant insight.

Posted by: TommyF | September 19, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain was "Always For Less Regulation'?" but now wants to regulate Wall Street? What a flip flopper!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The kNeeger's minnions are yelling racism at every opportunity they can manufacture LOL

Posted by: oSama BiNLAden | September 19, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Why does the rest of the world want Obama to win? Quite simply, because they don't have American's interests at stake; they view Obama from the perspective of their own interests. That alone should give any American pause . . . Should I or any American care what the Germans or French or British think about who should be our President? I don't care who their Chancellor or Prime Minister is, and I certainly don't care what they think about who should win an AMERICAN election. They are welcome to him!

Posted by: Chad3337 | September 19, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

When Sarah Palin announced earlier today that under the terms of a proposed power sharing agreement she would direct the ship of state in all matters relating to energy, I blanched.
The ONLY person on the planet who might conceivably grant this woefully ill-prepared puppet the presumption of superior knowledge or preparation in ANY area (including energy issues) is someone who failed to make it halfway to the FIRST percentile in his own college graduating class! SURPRISE! That’s exactly who did - John McCain. The notion that average people some how have to choose below average, sub-par people to lead them is a recipe for disaster! (Need I suggest “more of the same”?) There’s a difference between excellence and elitism that seems lost on our electorate today. To the last person who told me…”I love her and support her because she’s exactly like me!” I replied: “Yeah, and I wouldn’t cast a vote to put you a heartbeat away from the presidency either!” Two of a kind is not a strong hand in poker. Two headstrong, sub-par “intellects” that express contemptuous disdain for actual academic achievement are a lousy pair to put in the White House.

Posted by: Kevin | September 19, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin:

Raised taxes as the Gov. of Alaska

Misled America about the Bridge to Nowhere, in her first national speech (She fully supported it and only killed it after the funding was cut anyhow) and continues to do so as many as four times a day on the campaign stump. She never returned the funds for the Bridge to Nowhere.
A 2006 question to Governor Palin …”Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?”
Answer: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”

Wants to teach creationism in Science Class, subverting the US Constitution

Tried to get books banned at the local library

Fired her entire staff 10 days into term as mayor, for lack of loyalty

Used every available lever to get an enemy fired from his job, and is still lying about it. She originally said she would cooperate with the investigation into this matter. She now says she will no longer cooperate and calls the investigation a “political witch-hunt” despite the fact that it is a bi-partisan investigation voted on unanimously for review. Her Husband has now refused to appear under subpoena

Put a gag order on her administration as mayor of a town of 6500

Milked the Federal Government for huge series of earmarks, by using Jack Abramoff lobbyists. The highest per capita earmarker in the nation: Palin (27 Million for a town of 6500)

Charged 52 earmarks valued at $256 million in her first year as Alaska Governor and 31 earmarks valued at $197 million this year. Considerably HIGHER than Barrack Obama’s Eamark list he released in March of 2008 in the spirit of transparency.

Billed taxpayers in Alaska $43,490 for staying in her own home.

Lied about a teleprompter malfunction during her acceptance speech.

Touts the need to address special needs children but only did so by stepping in at the last minute to support a bill that she was chided for NOT supporting previously despite her sister having a child with autism.

Doesn’t believe in Global Warming

Used Alaska First as her campaign slogan, which is the same one as her husband’s old party, the AIP, a secessionist organization she recorded a supportive piece for this year! She was also the keynote speaker for AIP on several occasions and her husband was an ardent supporter and member of AIP.

The AIP founder Joe Voglar once stated, “I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." and "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Wants to ban stem cell research

Is on the record stating the Iraq war ”Is a task from God.”

In July when interviewed about the possibility of being the VP she stated that she did not know what the VP did.

McCain has called Palin the “smartest person in the country” when it comes to energy policy (Which is absurd onto itself) When asked if US Companies would be guaranteed the oil from a new expansion of Alaskan drilling she responded:
“Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first." Hugh? Is there an actual thought in there?

Left her town Mayoralty with a huge debt, having outspent all around in her (21 MILION in debt)

Charged women in Alaska for rape kits which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece

Supports abstinence only sex education. No other forms are acceptable.

Has never met a world leader which is unheard of. Every VP in the last 60 years has met a foreign leader.

Just received her passport in July of 2007. Only left the country once.

And, perhaps worst of all, Palin would insist that my 14 daughter carry and birth a rapist’s child

these are the policies of Palin.
Think this will sound good to voters?
Perhaps when she actually grants more than two interviews within the next fourty somethings days before the election she can defend these policies. Or maybe like her troopergate investigation she can postpone that too until after the election

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 19, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I am enjoying the Sarah Palin hysteria. What would this campaign be without her? "I can see Russia from my window" (ok, she didn't say exactly that) will become a classic in trivia quizzes for years to come.

I appreciate http://tunc.biz/Race%20For%20President.htm for putting all this stuff on one site, the highs and the lows, especially McCain-Palin's abrupt U-turn on government regulations when Wall Street started to crumble. Only a few days ago, Palin was saying "No taxpayer money for failing banks". She doesn't think that today.

Posted by: Arianna | September 19, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Margie: you are ovbviously one of the 28 percenters.
81% of the country says we are on the wrong track, which includes millions of Rs.
Th economy is on the brink of a Herbert Hoover moment. This administration is universally despised around the world.
911 happend under W's watch, while he was asleep at the switch and he has lied his way into an endless 12 billion dollar/mo war. Other than that, things are just dandy.

and its the Palin/McCain ticket that you support.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 19, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in my life, I am convinced Obama will be the next president of the United States of America.

I watched his press conference on today's financial crisis. He was with Clinton economic advisers (Rubin, Tyson, Spelling and others) on background as David Gergen suggested last week on CNN.

It worked. He looked presidential not just as a campaigner for the position.

I always thought Obama is no good without teleprompter help. Today he proved me wrong.

He took several questions from reporters. He answered the subject matters like laser beams. He was good.

Is Obama the reincarnation of Bill Clinton or what?

At least today, it looked that way to me. You earned my vote.

Posted by: YesWeCanForFree | September 19, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain: “I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.”

THAT'S WHAT I CALL A MAVERICK!!!!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse


The fact that the bot trolls assert that there's anything remotely serious to this so-called "Troopergate" is just laughable in the extreme. Obama's in bed with Rezko and arises from the most corrupt swamp in American politics and the Democrats say not a word. Give me a break.

There is no question that Governor Palin is morally qualified for higher office. NOTHING THERE, although the bots executed the most disgusting and perverted attempt at a political hit in the last 100 years and have done everything in their power to destroy her.

Their writhing fury, snarling demeanor, and hateful conduct concerning the Governor has NO rational basis.

The fact is, Governor Palin is intelligent, polished, an excellent communicator, and has demonstrated herself to be incredibly disciplined. Why do the bots so incredibly hate someone who is happy, upbeat, and has a positive disposition and outlook?

I agree that Governor Palin may not be the most experienced candidate the Republicans could have selected. But to absolutely dismiss her as an idiot or beneath contempt as Charlie Gibson and all on the left has done is irrational and unworthy. She's one of 50 governors, no small accomplishment, and is clearly in the pool of those 1000 or so Americans who would rationally be considered possible running mates. The loony left has no CLASS to dismiss her as if she's trash and unaccomplished. She may not be my first pick or your first pick, but she has done NOTHING but conduct herself well and does not deserve the abuse and horrific treatment heaped on her head.

Moreover, she's looking to me to be a pretty smart choice. She has genuine bona fides and know what she's talking about when she addresses energy and corruption, cronyism, and government reform. Compared to Obama, who has done nothing but suck at the teat of the Daley machine, she is eminently refreshing!

I think the left hates her because she's a happy person, has infectious enthusiasm, and is proud to be an American. It's frightening that they find her so disturbing . . . I see nothing but a gifted and accomplished American original, and I tremendously admire her authenticity.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

i wonder why the rest of the world want to see obama win this election.try convincing those folks why they should vote for mccain and i don't think they will be a nice as we are to you.ask them why do they give obama so much respect.ya see you don't give him respect because you are a christian right.your god says to hate anyone that doesn't agree with you.right.all repubs are hateful.all of them,they lie and steal and cheat.they are stupid like sarah and john.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

We need Sarah Palin now! She may be the ONLY person in America with the economic savvy to pull us out of the mess were in. In addition to her extensive economic training garnered in some of the Great Northern Woods' finer community colleges, she's clearly current in all the complexities of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mack. (She knows all the wild game recipes in Fanny Mae's celebrated cookbook by heart and has hasn't missed a thing that the late great black actor/comedian Freddie Mack starred in right up until his untimely death last month. In fact, she was a fan of Freddie Mack way back when he was doing that Comedy Jam for the Hearing Impaired with that nice young Russell someone or other.) I mean, she managed to build a skating rink in Wasilla, didn't she? And that wasn't easy or cheap because they forgot to buy the land first. So hang on her every word and regard her economic prognostications and analyses with the reverent regard they so richly merit. This is one smart cookie! (And no, that particular cookie recipe cannot be found in the Fanny Mae cookbook!)

Posted by: Ma Kettle | September 19, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Where is McCain's first wife? Oh yeah, he dumped her for a rich beer baroness. That's some great family values!!!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

John Wayne,

You are partially correct. And how did we fund the afghans? By selling coke, remember that part. Remember the 400,000 innocent civilians who lost there lives when Reagan decided that he knew who should be running Nicaragua instead of the person who those people voted for. There is more to the web than just supplying the afghans...

Posted by: Huh? | September 19, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

ALL OF THE ABOVE: TOO STUPID TO ARGUE, JUST USE MY NAME TO POST BANALITIES SUPPORTING OBAMA

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:10 PM

I'M GETTING CRANKY AND YELLING IN ALL CAPS!!!!!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

IF you want to know more about the McCain/ Palin ticket check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sspOJXTFv-Y

Posted by: Mark from Tenn | September 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Margie,

I am tired of that old addage he has kept us safe. Name me on attack he has thwarted since September 11th and i will vote GOP tomorrow. You forget Bush inherited a 294 billion dollar surplus. When Bush took over you payed 1.20 for gas you dont know do you? You have seen the housing market and financial industries collapse because of his lack of oversight. You have seen a major city New Orleans be ignored during a crisis and 3 years later is still in shambles. So tell me again how great the last 8 years have been....

Posted by: Huh? | September 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Five weeks ago, the St. Petersburg Times convened a group of Tampa Bay voters who were undecided about the presidential election. Their strong distrust of Barack Obama suggested it was a group ripe for John McCain to win over.

Not anymore. The group has swung dramatically, if unenthusiastically, toward Democrat Obama. Most of them this week cited the same reason: Sarah Palin.

"The one thing that frightens me more than anything else are the ideologues. We've seen too many," said 80-year-old Air Force veteran Donn Spegal, a lifelong Republican from St. Petersburg, who sees McCain's new running mate as the kind of "wedge issue" social conservative that has made him disenchanted with his party.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL, I'm quoting Rush Limbaugh now!!! I sure am a Hillary supporter though. Don't forget that!

Whoops. Hillary supports Obama. I guess I'm just confused.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:07 PM

Sarah thinks dinosaurs are Lizards of Satan? She sure seems like some kind of cook. Good thing she will be whispering in Grampy McSame's ear when he nods off while president. I know she will stand up for womens rights because she was a good basketball player.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:05 PM

ALL OF THE ABOVE: TOO STUPID TO ARGUE, JUST USE MY NAME TO POST BANALITIES SUPPORTING OBAMA

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Do you remember the war the soviets were fighting in the 80's? It was Afghanistan which is were they spent so much money the country went broke.
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And why did the Soviets go broke? Because Republicans chose to arm the Afghan rebels which made it impossible for the Soviets to win.

Now, to be fair, as soon as the Soviets pulled out, we looked the other way and that was the how the Taliban ended up moving in.

So, between sending arms to the Afghans and forcing the arms race with the Soviets, he certainly did play a large role in bankrupting the Soviets, but the US should have kept its eye on that region instead of looking away.

Finally, relations are no better with Russia these days. Same old clowns running the show, except they took off their silly Soviet war medals and now they all drive around in a Mercedes. Still a bunch of evil jokers.

Whoever becomes President, don't make the mistake Bush did and think you can trust those Russkies.

Posted by: John Wayne | September 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse


TommyF, your logic makes me believe the closest you came to an Ivy League school was on a web page. You go on to compare Sarah Palin to Ronald Reagan and I believe you owe Mr. Reagan an apology unless you are comparing her to President Reagan in his last few months in office which we all know now he was already suffering from the affects of Alzheimer.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of how you think Palin is a weak woman compared to Obama, she's not the kind of liar & hypocrite he is, putting out race-baiting, racist ads and hyping "equal pay for women" while underpaying his own staff and having mostly men in senior positions.

Funny how he can have all those female surrogates but men are really in charge and making the most money in his organization.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

LOL, I'm quoting Rush Limbaugh now!!! I sure am a Hillary supporter though. Don't forget that!

Whoops. Hillary supports Obama. I guess I'm just confused.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Sarah thinks dinosaurs are Lizards of Satan? She sure seems like some kind of cook. Good thing she will be whispering in Grampy McSame's ear when he nods off while president. I know she will stand up for womens rights because she was a good basketball player.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON POST PROMOTES OBAMA "RACIST" ATTACK AD
WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION ABOUT HOW FALSE IT IS

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/17/obama_invokes_rush_limbaugh_in.html

THE POST PUSHES OBAMA'S RACIST ATTACK AD AS IF TRUE

The Washington Post has put up and described Barack Obama's racist ad making blatant lies and false accusations about John McCain and immigration policies. The ad takes soundbites out of context from the Rush Limbaugh radio show, then puts them out there as if they were John McCain's words and as if John McCain supported Rush Limbaugh's anti-immigrant views.

OBAMA'S LIMBAUGH AD CAUSES STIR
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

"It is offensive and dishonest for Barack Obama to lie about John McCain's record on immigration and years of support for the Hispanic community, when it was Barack Obama himself who voted for 'poison pill' amendments that killed the effort at immigration reform. Instead of making false ads with baseless attacks, Barack Obama should be apologizing to the Latino community," Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart said in statement released by the McCain campaign.

The Spanish-language ad, launched earlier this week, aims to connect McCain to Republicans who have staked out staunch anti-illegal immigration stances — including talk radio host Rush Limbaugh.

"They want us to forget the insults we've put up with, the intolerance," the television ad's narrator says in Spanish as an image of Limbaugh is quoted saying, "Mexicans are stupid and unqualified" and "Shut your mouth or get out."

"They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much," the narrator continues. "John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families."

But McCain has repeatedly disagreed with his party's base on the issue of immigration and was a chief sponsor of an immigration reform bill last year that deeply angered conservatives and nearly sunk his campaign for the presidency.

The Arizona senator is also no favorite of Limbaugh, particularly for seeming to take a moderate stance on illegal immigration. But critics note McCain shifted his own policy on immigration as the Republican presidential primary race heated up, advocating a "security first" approach.

Limbaugh also took issue with the ad, telling the Politico it had taken his past statements — one of which is 15 years old — out of context and was an attempt at "race baiting."

"Obama is now stoking racism in the country," Limbaugh said. "Obama is a disgrace — he wants the public to think he is Mr. Nice Guy while his thugs are in Alaska looking for dirt on Palin and he runs race-baiting ads and lies about what he has done and what McCain has done."

more at: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/obamas-limbaugh-ad-causes-stir/

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Ah TommyF still stuck in that Reagan time warp and even though he went to Cornell cant figure out that Reagan had zip to do with the Soviet collapse. Do you remember the war the soviets were fighting in the 80's? It was Afghanistan which is were they spent so much money the country went broke. Hell the Beatles had more to do with the Soviet Union falling than Reagan. How you ask? Under Soviet leadership everything was dictated to the masses, youngsters were told the Beatles were bad, when they listened to the music they finally figured out that the govt had been lying to them all these years and that is what helped lead to the uprising, that and Afghanistan...

Posted by: Huh? | September 19, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin's problem isn't lack of experience but a history of cronyism ill-serving Alaskans much like Bush and DC. Her record is one of reforming of others and then doing just what they did, the world's oldest political trick.

Posted by: jhbyer | September 19, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Go back and study your history. The vast majority of KKK members were Democrats. Southern racism was upheld by, you guessed it, Democrats. All the southern governors who opposed integration were...right again, Democrats! Martin Luther King JR was a Republican."

What history book is that the one you decided to pull ....
The southern Ds you refer to were called Dixicrats, the basis of the current R party. John Stennis, John Connally, Richard Russell,George Wallace, Jessie Helms, James Eastland, Lester Mattox were all Ds who changed parties to become R or independents. MLK was a personal friend to LBJ and JFK, hardly a R. Perhaps you are one of those Palin nation leading highschool dropouts to post garbage.

Posted by: Leichtman | September 19, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain just pooped his pants.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm SO weary of people whinning about how bad the last eight years have been. It's like the old adage, that if you hear something enough time you begin to believe it. It's been a great eight years!

First and foremost Pres. Bush has kept us safe. We haven't had one terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. We have so taken his herculan efforts to protect us. Don't take that for granted!
As far as the economy, the first six years were pretty darn good. Look how much money Barack Obama and the Clintons racked in within the last eight years! It's only been the last two years things have downturned.....ahem...wasn't that when Nancy Pelosi and the rest of this do-nothing Democratically congress took over? Oh yeah! Sure was!

Its been a great eight years, and if Barack Obama gets elected we will eventually look back on the last eight years as "the good old days" when we prospered and George Bush kept us safe.
Stop whinning and start working towards a bright and prosperous American future with McCain/Palin!

Go MCCAIN/PALIN 2008!!
We love SARAH!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Margie | September 19, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Whistling Dixie,

You are right on that but which president signed the Civil Rights act 100 years after Lincoln freed the slaves. Oh that would be Lyndon Baines Johnson, if i remember correctly he was a Democrat. Which president integrated the military, that would be Harry Truman another Democrat. Who where the Dixiecrats? They are now called Republicans...

Posted by: Huh? | September 19, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

If not for Reagan, Sarah would be looking at the Soviet Union from her house. I know, the liberals are still upset about the Soviet Union's collapse. Please read up on their economic history a little bit, before we let Obama bring down the U.S.

Posted by: TommyF | September 19, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you, TommyF.

I'm voting for McCain not because I especially like McCain, and not because I dislike Obama. But I do disagree with Obama's economic policies, and I do disagree with the role he proposes for US Government. If we think the government is too big now and is far too deeply inundated into people's lives, go read about Obama's position on all the relevant issues.

Here's a good site if you want a view of each candidates positions on the major issues:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/

Posted by: College Boy | September 19, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the change agent whose own time in office is defined by his work across the partisan aisle.
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Really? Change Agent....working across the partisan aisle? When precisely?

This kind of phony balony is why I am NOT voting Obama. You are making this up. And, if that change agent stuff is his talking point then SOMEONE NEEDS TO EXPOSE IT FOR THE LIE IT IS!!


Obama has Never been a change agent. His entire life including his time in the State House and the US Senate has been a model of expediency.

He has never lead a fight against the powers that be.

No Obama in November

Posted by: truth teller | September 19, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

think god for affirmative action or obama would not be here today.repubs hate it when everything is equal they can't seem to win.with them it's who you know and who you blow.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin 08! Lets continue the great things Bush has done for the country!!!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

TommyF,

Only in GOP circles is Reagan considered a great president, i have two words for you

IRAN-CONTRA

Posted by: Huh? | September 19, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

TYPICAL BUSH POLICY ... PALIN FITS RIGHT IN:: XXXXXX Deny, Delay and Obfuscate! XXXXXX
Palin's Husband Won't Testify in Probe.

The husband of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, refuses to testify in an investigation into her firing of Alaska's public safety commissioner. Key lawmakers say the McCain-Palin campaign and some witnesses want to delay the probe until after the election.

Posted by: Ct.Dem | September 19, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I trust Sarah Palin to defend our country from Russia. She can see it from her house!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I get confused sometimes and don't know who to listen to. Rush Limbaugh or Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. Palin's a simpleton. Just like they used to say about Ronald Reagan. Wait a minute...Reagan is widely regarded as one of the best presidents ever. I hope it's not to late for me to vote for that Palin-McCain ticket. Sarah Palin understands free market economics in the same way Reagan did. Too bad liberals can't transfer their understanding of Darwinism to economics. Obama is an economic creationist. Go Sarah. This is one Ivy Leaguer (Cornell, 1988) voting for the Moose hunter. Of course, in my defense, I did put myself through college, and I do work for a living - so my snobbery skills aren't very advanced.

Posted by: TommyF | September 19, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. Palin's a simpleton. Just like they used to say about Ronald Reagan. Wait a minute...Reagan is widely regarded as one of the best presidents ever. I hope it's not to late for me to vote for that Palin-McCain ticket. Sarah Palin understands free market economics in the same way Reagan did. Too bad liberals can't transfer their understanding of Darwinism to economics. Obama is an economic creationist. Go Sarah. This is one Ivy Leaguer (Cornell, 1988) voting for the Moose hunter. Of course, in my defense, I did put myself through college, and I do work for a living - so my snobbery skills aren't very advanced.

Posted by: TommyF | September 19, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain's chief economic adviser thinks we are whiners and this is a mental recession. I sure do trust them to solve the economic problems since McCain admits he knows nothing about it.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Clinton voter that was going to vote against Obama by voting McCain ---- but after he picked the murderess Palin to be his VP I have been forced to vote Obama even though I feel Obama is a conniving arrogant thug. Why must I vote Obama now? see these photos:
http://www.vegansoapbox.com/a-closer-look-at-palin/

However it doesn't matter. Obama has already lost to McCain. Obama was never able to win a national election. There are still too many white racists in the USA and Obama himself is a deeply flawed candidate regardless of his being black. Democrats pushed out Clinton to their own demise, begging for another Presidential loss.

Ask how many Americans love animals and the environment...because that is how many hate Palin, an animal killing Bush#2.

Posted by: Vegan4animals | September 19, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supports Barack Obama. If you supported Hillary, you should too.

Don't believe the McCain campaign smears.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:47 PM


Just because Hillary supports Obama doesn't mean anything. Obama and his ACORN supporters have been threatening to take her senate seat away from her with the black vote, for months, if he loses. They frankly say that if he doesn't win, she will be out of the senate, and have been saying that since mid-March.

Posting your deluded beliefs in my name doesn't make them true.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Why did McCain oppose equal pay in the senate? And now women are supposed to vote for him because he picked an unqualified woman as VP?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

hold on to that rebel flag whislin dixie your going to need it.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supports Barack Obama. If you supported Hillary, you should too.

Don't believe the McCain campaign smears.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

^^^ What if Obama's Conscience Spoke at the Same Time He Did? ^^^
^^^ Annotated transcript of Obama's Nomination Acceptance Speech ^^^

>>"Four years ago, I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."

--Four years ago, I laid a big one on you out of my fictionalized life story that I made about my drunken, polygamist, already-married Kenyan father who knocked up my then-17-year-old mother and then abandoned us.

>>"It is that promise that has always set this country apart -- that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one American family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well."

--And where people like me can get ahead on racial preference and affirmative action, so that we advance without ever actually doing anything resembling hard work and sacrifice like you people!

>>"It is why I stand here tonight. Because for 232 years, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women -- students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors -- found the courage to keep it alive."

--And support my undeserved advancement and also pay for my racial preference scholarships and all the gravy train that has come my way over the years! The donations of millions of african american supporters -- students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors -- paid my campaign the $6 million that it cost to move my nominating night event from the Pepsi arena to Invesco field in the Temple of Obama!

>>"We meet at one of those defining moments -- a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more."

--And the Democratic party is nominating a president with no experience or qualifications that might make him a credible executive!! I couldn't get hired to run a factory!! Ha Ha!

>>"Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can't afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay and tuition that is beyond your reach"

--And yet you have sent $400 million to my presidential campaign! That I keep spending on helping the voters get to know me better! As if that's the problem! What suckers!

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In David Mendell's 2007 biography, Obama, it was reported that Obama was a B student whose grades slipped so far below a B at High School that in his final year his grandmother feared he would not get into a university. The chapter ends with him being accepted into Occidental on a full scholarship.

The NYT has published a letter written by Obama in 1990, that discusses his own experiences with affirmative action.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/politics/03affirmative.html?_r=2&em=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin)

Mr. Obama quote: “[I] undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in [my] own academic career.

Posted by: Barack Obama's Conscience | September 19, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"No way, no how, no McCain" -Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Lyrics from a new Randy Newman song pretty well capture my feelings about the current administration.

"I’d like to say a few words
In defense of our country
Whose people aren’t bad nor are they mean
Now the leaders we have
While they’re the worst that we’ve had
Are hardly the worst this poor world has seen

Let’s turn history’s pages, shall we?

Take the Caesars for example
Why within the first few of them
They were sleeping with their sister
Stashing little boys in swimming pools
And burning down the City
And one of ‘em, one of ‘em
Appointed his own horse Consul of the Empire
That’s like vice president or something

That’s not a very good example, is it?"

Some of the political appointees made by both Bush and Palin seem to be cronies who are barely more qualified for the job than Caesar's horse.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

WHY DOES OBAMA UNDERPAY THE WOMEN ON HIS STAFF?
WHY DOES OBAMA HAVE SO FEW SENIOR FEMALE ON STAFF?
WHY DIDN'T OBAMA JUST PICK HILLARY? WAS IT THE 
NARCISSISM OR A MOMMY PROBLEM? (MAYBE BOTH?)


A LOOK AT OBAMA'S MOMMA'S PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS

Obama's momma seems to have had at least some traits of a dependent personality disorder, which tends to be a complementary, coincident problem in families in which narcissism occurs.

In the Muslim world, there is a thing such as "temporary marriages". Men can even take "temporary" wives when they already have wives and families. This activity is legal under Sharia law, and the woman aren't respected but they aren't punished. The men usually pay them and the women are usually poor but pretty and have no prospects in life.

For an American woman to serve as a "temporary wife" and "second wife" to Third World Muslim men, who don't even give her money and support, but just use the brief marriage without any traditional settlement for her, was the cultural equivalent of her being a valueless, unclean woman. I.e., in a cultural sense, Obama's momma served her Third World Muslim men as an unrespectable pump-and-dump without value. The fact that a couple of these Muslim pump-and-dumps comprises Obama's mother's adult married life, is dysfunctional. Obama's mother was, in my opinion as a woman, a sexually desperate loser. But what does that imply for a kid raised in a Muslim culture for at least part of his childhood, and how he relates to a mother who would have been executed for her behavior if she were not American?

I think that Obama both lacks respect for the white "culture" of his childhood and longs for identity as a man, because of his mother's codependent and powerless relationships with her Muslim men. I think that Obama probably has mommy issues with older white women having power or influence over him, or dependence on him.

It's unsurprising Obama has sought to find a culture and identity in a harsh, black radical Church that cauterizes and rejects corrupt white culture. I think that his finding his identity in that Trinity Church is real, not pretense, just as I don't think it was extraordinarily difficult for him to take the step to repudiate the father figure that Rev. Wright has become in his life.

To be more specific, the narrative of Obama's father in his autobiographies is romanticized and fictionionalized. Obama's mother wasn't taken advantage of by some black man who left her with a child, but she was complicit in a degrading second-wife marriage and was a serial temporary wife to two Third World Muslim men, had kids and were dumped by them. Obama's father was her first such codependent relationship, her first "temporary [Muslim] husband". Instead of how Obama portrayed him, his father was an alcoholic, polygamous, womanizing Kenyan ethnically Arab Muslim (failed) communist who was already married when he got Obama's then-17-year-old mother pregnant. Obama's mother wasn't underprivileged and he wasn't disadvantaged but went to private schools when his grandmother took over his care after his mother sent him back from Indonesia when her second husband, his stepfather, was uninterested in him.

Barack Obama clearly has middle-age white woman problems. His refusal to even consider Hillary Clinton as his VP when it was his most obvious and possibly his only real path to winning the election, speaks of some kind self-defeating, self-sabotaging personal issue.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. That's what I call a maverick!

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

how can a repub even try and get someone to vote for them after the last eight years they should be banned for the voting booths

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain is to old to be president.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

democrats are strong willed outright good humans beings.we don't see color.demo are what this country stand for.and come nov 4 we will say it real loud.

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OK, you're flagged. No more sips from the Kool Aid trough for you.

Wow, talk about being out of touch with reality.

Go back and study your history. The vast majority of KKK members were Democrats. Southern racism was upheld by, you guessed it, Democrats. All the southern governors who opposed integration were...right again, Democrats! Martin Luther King JR was a Republican.

Sorry to burst your bubble...

Posted by: Whistlin' Dixie | September 19, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

My opinion of Palin: Disgusting, vile pathological liar. Self loathing hypocrite - her beliefs/policies point to a hatred of women. Fawned over by mental midgets that know nothing of her. Empty vessel for Republican programming.

Posted by: miknugget | September 19, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Why does McCain think the fundamentals of the economy are strong?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl you are a crazy person go find something to do and quite putting your hate and ignorance on here. Not one thing you say is true.

Indiana Republican for Obama/Biden

Posted by: IN44 | September 19, 2008 4:36 PM


Bite me cult boy.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"The reason Aspergirl is on this blog is because she got kicked of Chris Cizzilla blog called Happy Talk:"

Posted by: Yeah Chris | September 19, 2008 4:34 PM

I didn't get kicked off "Republican happy talk".

Why are you trolling woman's subject and a Republican subject blogs? Partisan hacks who have to lurk and dominate ever subject with your poison. Unless you're interested in Palin & Republicans, go away.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Bush-style arrogant ignorance. If you say it with authority, and don't blink, it still doesn't necessarily make it so. Bush - decisive and wrong on so many issues. Palin is cut from the same cloth.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"If you truly believe Hillary was the 'one,' then how do you now believe that the Republicans will govern better than Obama."

Posted by: John | September 19, 2008 4:24 PM

Some people don't vote for party but for the leader themselves. I happen to think that McCain is a better candidate for President than Obama. After Clinton dropped out, I was going to vote for McCain anyways unless something with the VP picks made me change my mind.

McCain picking Palin certainly didn't change my mind against him.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"I thought blacks would have seen through
the obvious slap in the face and been mad
that their race was deemed so gullible.

Posted by: usa3 | September 19, 2008 3:09 PM"
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Obama was elected by people of all ethnicities. Palin was chosen purely because she is a Woman.

I don't expect you to see the distinction but it is worth a try.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl you are a crazy person go find something to do and quite putting your hate and ignorance on here. Not one thing you say is true.

Indiana Republican for Obama/Biden

Posted by: IN44 | September 19, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The reason Aspergirl is on this blog is because she got kicked of Chris Cizzilla blog called Happy Talk:

"Folks,
This is a post on Senate races. I'd love if we could refrain from posting other political randomness MULTIPLE times. If you want to make a separate point, feel free. But doing so repeatedly really makes it difficult for people hoping to have a germane discussion about the state of play in the Senate.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Chris"

That was you he is talking about ASPERGIRl

Posted by: Yeah Chris | September 19, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps more people should say what they really think: Palin is a nasty dunce right out of central casting. Her one and only job is to distract campaign coverage from real issues. This is an upgrade from her previous job, energizing social conservatives at the RNC. This is all part of a proven Republican election formula, i.e., run a negative campaign about social issues and avoid or lie about real issues. McCain has sold out. Palin is a perfect tool. End of story.

Posted by: maxfli | September 19, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

palin is to stupid to be a democrat.how dare anyone to say if palin was a demo.democrats are strong willed outright good humans beings.we don't see color.demo are what this country stand for.and come nov 4 we will say it real loud.think about it folks john mccain debating youth and wisdom if i was him he had best make a doctors appointment that day as for joe and sarah with that annoying voice of hers i hope joe doesn't slap her into the middle of next year.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I admit it I am really a republican troll not a Hillary Democrat. Busted

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame the posts have devolved largely into ad hominem attacks, lowering the level of discourse to school yard name-calling.

To everyone who is arguing passionately one way or the other for "your" candidate, I'm going to let you in on a little secret: Neither McCain nor Obama gives a damn for you. Your day to day problems could not be more remote from them. They are both consumed by personal ambition and fed a daily diet of grandiosity by their handlers (who, by the way, desperately want them to win so they can get cushy administration jobs after the campaign).

So relax. Vote your conscience, vote for policies that make sense, or for a world view that reflects your own.

But don't think for even a minute these guys care about you or can really relate to your concerns - you're only a vote and a means to an end.

Posted by: Enemy Of The State | September 19, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I dont think you can condemn a
candidate just because they
believe in wildlife management.
I believe Jimmy Carter was
a hunter, they showed them
shooting muskrats in their pond.
And of course Bill Clinton
bagged the occasional intern.
So why does it upset you
that Palin hunts?

Posted by: simonsays | September 19, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

USA3,

You took reporting for sexism. Remeber Hillarys claim about being under fire in Bosnia? That hurt her worse than her gender. People forget those little facts and only focus on gender. Just like Palin now with the bridge to nowhere. She was for it and claims she was against it, even though she didnt come out against it until congress killed it. But she kept the money and has used 29 million in earmark money from that bridge to nowhere on a road that was supposed to link to the bridge. They are still building the road. Alot of people want to say its because of gender on both Hillary and Palin, but the fact it it is their own story telling that got them in trouble.....

Posted by: American First | September 19, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

As a 65yr old Hillary supporter in Ohio I find Palin disgusting! She is no Hillary Clinton. We are not fooled!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama 2008
Hillary 2012

Posted by: Leichtman | September 19, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

A huge part of Obama's base are ex-cons and convicts, btw. They have a big ACORN effort on to register everyone in prison, in states where convicted felons are allowed to vote. Some of his base are really scary people.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:20 PM
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AsperGirl,

What evidence do you have for that statement? Do you associate often with ex-cons and convicts?

Posted by: Obama '08 | September 19, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Is this what is meant as the Bush Doctrine?
"The stock market has been too high for years it was inevitable that this happened"


And I presume that like you and your party you were thrilled to hear about W's plan to privatize Social Security. That would have worked out swimmingly especially if you were a senior that depended on thir Social Security check this week or needed to liquidate their 401K this past Tues. Good luck with that conservative/Republican/McCain philospophy that that pesky stock market is just way too high; lets see what we can do to drive it into the ground and destroy everyone's retirement savings. Sounds like some of that R compassionate conservatism.

Posted by: Leichman | September 19, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl:

Please stop blogging. You are obviously ignorant and you make no sense.

If you truly believe Hillary was the 'one,' then how do you now believe that the Republicans will govern better than Obama.

Your logic is illogical. I would suggest you get over whatever 'Hillary angst' you have and look at the bigger picture. Otherwise, we are all going to suffer through 4 more years of Bush/Palin, and Roe v. Wade will be overturned. Or are you just a closeted Republican with nothing to say.

Either way, please shut up.

Posted by: John | September 19, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I think that sexism is rampant
in america. The democratic primaries
showed the media trashing Hillary.
And now they move on to Palin.
I do not agree with Hillary
Clinton a on single Issue,
and I could still see the bias.
I sense a backlash. People are coming
out to show support for a fellow
human being who is being
verbally stoned, by the media
and the liberals.
Who among you, will cast the first stone?

Posted by: usa3 | September 19, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain 2008
Clinton 2012

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Reader wrote: "+++ she's only horrendous to you because her views are different. is that what democrats believe in - my way or the highway?"

I think her views are horrendous because they are inhumane and ignorant. She could, in many respects, shake hands with the islam fanatics of Iran - and I mean that literally.

Young people are supposed to be ignorant of sex an without birth control, and then when they get pregnant (and they do, since the "just say no" doesn't work), they cannot have an abortion, not even an early one. She wants a continued war regardless of how unwise it might have been to begin with, because Americans must have victories. If thousands of babies are killed in the process, so be it - she won't miss any sleep over it. She wants creationism taught in schools because it's in the Bible, and books banned at libraries. She wants people ignorant, dumb and not prepared to make informed choices.

Yes, Obama should have chosen Clinton. Not doing so was a great mistake. Not being a great fan of his, I still hope he will win anyway, because the Republicans disrespect the Constitution an the well-being of ordinary people.

Posted by: asoders22 | September 19, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin=Fear, Fakery, Mockery, Greed

Regarding the fact that Mrs.Palin is not allowed to answer questions when she conducts her pep rallies: How is it that she is so sheltered by her handlers that we cannot hear the truth…is it because she is not capable of being honest and candid? What is she hiding? What kind of false front is being presented by the Republicans to “win” the race to the White House rather than present someone who is knowledgeable and actually qualified to run the country? How can she “get away” with possible misconduct in her Alaska governorship much like Bush and Cheney seem to be getting away with driving this country into the dirt? Why can’t we have full disclosure and true justice?

Is America as a nation that helpless? Are we doomed yet again to be cowed down and voiceless, trodden under the marching feet of a blind and ambitious Republican army?

I say no! Let’s not give up pushing for the truth! Power to the People! Let’s keep on it!

Posted by: JuliaH | September 19, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Why are people afraid to sign their names to their posts? This is the USA and not Stalin's USSR.

Posted by: David Fahey | September 19, 2008 4:02 PM


here's one message sent to me from someone named "handycapt"

::::

"you are a low life piece of sh**. When Obama is elected, we will find the real identity of every one of you lying a**holes. And then it's on."

"I look forward to meeting you."

::::::

There was some guy on Chris Cillizza's blog last night talking about how they're going to "get" Bush and Cheney if Obama gets elected. He was talking bloody stuff, like investigating them via Congress and putting them on trial for treason trial and executing them.

Think of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's followers, who are not so Christian and pastoral -- and angrier and more full of hate.

There are a lot of Obama supporters like that, praying for him to win, waiting to come out of their cockroach holes and get even. They think (deludedly or otherwise) that a great, brutal reckoning is coming if Obama gets elected.

A huge part of Obama's base are ex-cons and convicts, btw. They have a big ACORN effort on to register everyone in prison, in states where convicted felons are allowed to vote. Some of his base are really scary people.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

if obama took money from lehman at least we know were that money went.anybody voting for mccain is racist bigots and stupid i don't feel sorry for any of you.you don't represent america your stupid.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 4:16 PM

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well spoken, frank! let me guess, dropped out of school after the 5th grade? there's always hope, with obama you can get a free community college education on the backs of the US taxpayer!

Posted by: John Holmes | September 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

AGAIN

The only problem with this little study of yours is that it was conducted by a RIGHT WING news organization CNS.
Also the findings are highly misleading.
First off Obama has MORE women on his staff thus skewing the numbers and averages
Second McCain has women in higher positions in his campaign thus skewing the numbers
The presentation of the biased data is similar to this analogy:
90% of all accidents occur within five miles of home
GOP interpretation of the data....
Obviously the area within five miles of the home is a more dangerous place.
True interpretation of the data.....
Most of people’s driving is done within five miles of the home thus the odds are higher an accident will occur within the five mile radius.
See its called an interpretation of the data and its flawed data to begin with.

There is no difference between what Obama pays a woman staffer for job-B, than what McCain pays a woman staffer for job-B. Its called equal pay for equal work.

More important is this...
McCain has voted AGAINST equal pay for women his entire career.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00203
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/washington/24cong.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

You can argue whether it's a good or bad that Obama doesn't have as many women in top positions in his office relative to McCain. However, you can't argue that he pays women less than men, once you've controlled for their position. Which is, of course, exactly what AsperGirl tries to argue by posting that boneheaded article. I think journalists should have to pass a fifth-grade math exam (or just an exam of common sense) before being allowed to publish.

Posted by: SMC | September 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

if obama took money from lehman at least we know were that money went.anybody voting for mccain is racist bigots and stupid i don't feel sorry for any of you.you don't represent america your stupid.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Paying for your own rape kit is pretty standard in this country... just like if you were assaulted and stabbed, you would have to pay (or your insurance) for your own stitches... do some research man, it's not a wasilla thing.

Posted by: Brian Davidson | September 19, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Can we just have the debates already! Enough with the punditry, let's put them against one another a number of times and see how well they fare.

Posted by: John | September 19, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

asoders22 wrote:

"If she had completely different views the comparison no longer holds, because her views are what's absolutely horrendous about her and a true threat to America and every other nation on the planet which she has no clue about."

+++ she's only horrendous to you because her views are different. is that what democrats believe in - my way or the highway?

"Still, he wouldn't pick her, because he needed someone with more experience - and if it was to be a woman, it would have to be Hillary Clinton."

++++ on this one you're right, since he has very little experience, he needed to beef up his portfolio, but unfortunately, he picked the consummate washington insider when he picked biden. also, i'm sure all the obama supporters thought biden was a stooge when he was running for office against obama, but now that he's the VP pick, he's awesome!

obama really should have picked clinton, but it appears that his ego wouldn't allow it.

Posted by: Reader | September 19, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

You smug Republicans on these sites are too funny. I noticed you keep saying the same talking points over and over again, not just here, but on many other sites as well.
Hmmm, makes me wonder how all of you seem to be saying the same message... maybe, just maybe, you're getting your ideas from someone else? "Talking points" perhaps?

When you demonstrate an unwillingness to think for yourself, you expose yourself as nothing but a puppet for the far right. If Bill O'Rilley told you to think the sky is red, nobody could convince you it's blue.
If comedian Rush Limbaugh told you to think a cow says "Woof Woof", you'd bark out your window every time you drive by a farm.

Looking for an easy and cheap Halloween costume this year? You can go as a Ventriloquist's dummy. You won't even have to dress up!

Posted by: Republican Robots | September 19, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

come on boys and girls bring it on abama biden has open up a can of whoop-ass.the saying in mccain camp now is lets keep hope alive.mccain camp is reaching out to david duke for help.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Why are people afraid to sign their names to their posts? This is the USA and not Stalin's USSR."

If Asspergirl had to use a real name, she wouldn't be able to deploy her sock puppets.

Her real name is Spot, btw.

Posted by: bondjedi | September 19, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

LIPSTICK VS LIP SERVICE -- HOW MCCAIN, OBAMA PAY WOMEN

:::: Obama's women earn 0.83/dollar compared to his men ::::
:::: McCain's women earn $1.04/dollar compared to his men ::::

How Team Obama Pays Women
By Deroy Murdock

‘Now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day’s work,” Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said August 28 in his convention acceptance speech. He told the crowd in Denver: “I want my daughters to have exactly the same opportunities as your sons.”...

Obama’s commitment to federally mandated pay equity stretches from the Rockies to Wall Street and beyond. And yet it seems to have eluded his United States Senate office. Compensation figures for his legislative staff reveal that Obama pays women just 83 cents for every dollar his men make.

...Obama’s 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama’s average male employee earned $54,397. Obama’s 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.

Why this disparity? One reason may be the underrepresentation of women among Obama’s highest-compensated employees. Of Obama’s five best-paid advisors, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.

On average, Obama’s female staffers earn just 83 cents for every dollar his male staffers make. This figure certainly exceeds the 77-cent threshold that Obama’s campaign website condemns. However, 83 cents do not equal $1. In spite of this 17-cent gap between Obama’s rhetoric and reality, he chose to chide GOP presidential contender John McCain on this issue.

...McCain’s payment patterns are the stuff of feminist dreams.

McCain’s 17 male staffers split $916,914, thus averaging $53,936. His 25 female employees divided $1,396,958 and averaged $55,878.

On average, according to these data, women in John McCain’s office make $1.04 for every dollar a man makes. In fact, ceteris paribus, a typical female staffer could earn 21 cents more per dollar paid to her male counterpart — while adding $10,726 to her annual income — by leaving Barack Obama’s office and going to work for John McCain.

more at: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmEzMTZmNTk5MDI0NTZmNjUwMjllN2ZlZTc0MWFmYzY=

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Still more bullsh&&. These last eight years have been good to me. I have a good job. I bought a house i could afford. Paid off both our American made vehicles and have money in the bank.Thankfully Pres. Bush just protected my 401K today and yours if you have one. The stock market has been too high for years it was inevitable that this happened. Oh forgot to add paid off my credit cards as well. My husband is retired military and served in Iraq twice and still voting for McCain. But Then my canidate did not take 85,000 from Lehman for his campaign. Nor did he take any kickbacks from Freddie,Fanny and lehman. I do believe that Obama was second right after Dodd on the kickback list.

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Reader wrote:

"asoders22:

go back and read the post. If Palin were a democrat, i.e., if she held different political views, and Obama picked her as his running mate, then all the Obama Kool Aid drinkers would saying what a great choice he made"

If she had completely different views the comparison no longer holds, because her views are what's absolutely horrendous about her and a true threat to America and every other nation on the planet which she has no clue about.

Still, he wouldn't pick her, because he needed someone with more experience - and if it was to be a woman, it would have to be Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: asoders22 | September 19, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Why are people afraid to sign their names to their posts? This is the USA and not Stalin's USSR.

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Because they can be much more evil if they use a fake name! People would never speak to another person in real life the way they do here. This is the dark side of the internet and anonymity. Civil behavior immediately falls by the wayside.

Posted by: John Thorpe | September 19, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Why are people afraid to sign their names to their posts? This is the USA and not Stalin's USSR.

Posted by: David Fahey | September 19, 2008 4:02 PM

If you say something people don't like, they will threaten to find you and kill you. There are some radical activists, like Nation of Islam and ACORN people, who threaten posters that they want to frighten.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

To view Palin's favorable/unfavorable poll numbers compared with McCain, Obama, and Biden go to:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/state-of-race-is-mccain-in-trouble.htmlFiveThirtyEight.com

Palin's polls number are in a substantial decline.

WaPO forum strips HTML tags.

Posted by: Scott F. | September 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: WillNotBeFooledByObamaNATION | September 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a one trick pony in a cheap trick circus.

I mean really, guys, come on. She keeps giving the exact same speech over and over. She got bad grades on her one real interview so far. She has been exposed for countless lies and now, she is going to drastic measures to cover up trooper gate.

She has no business running Alaska, much LESS running the free world.

Posted by: One Hit Wonder-Woman | September 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

How about these facts...

Gov. Palin:

Raised taxes as the Gov. of Alaska

Misled America about the Bridge to Nowhere, in her first national speech (She fully supported it and only killed it after the funding was cut anyhow) and continues to do so as many as four times a day on the campaign stump. She never returned the funds for the Bridge to Nowhere.
A 2006 question to Governor Palin …”Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?”
Answer: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”
Wants to teach creationism in Science Class, subverting the US Constitution
Tried to get books banned at the local library
Fired her entire staff 10 days into term as mayor, for lack of loyalty

Used every available lever to get an enemy fired from his job, and is still lying about it. She originally said she would cooperate with the investigation into this matter. She now says she will no longer cooperate and calls the investigation a “political witch-hunt” despite the fact that it is a bi-partisan investigation voted on unanimously for review.
Put a gag order on her administration as mayor of a town of 6500
Milked the Federal Government for huge series of earmarks, by using Jack Abramoff lobbyists. The highest per capita earmarker in the nation: Palin (27 Million for a town of 6500)

Charged 52 earmarks valued at $256 million in her first year as Alaska Governor and 31 earmarks valued at $197 million this year. Considerably HIGHER than Barrack Obama’s Eamark list he released in March of 2008 in the spirit of transparency.

Billed taxpayers in Alaska $43,490 for staying in her own home.

Lied about a teleprompter malfunction during her acceptance speech.

Touts the need to address special needs children but only did so by stepping in at the last minute to support a bill that she was chided for NOT supporting previously despite her sister having a child with autism.
Doesn’t believe in Global Warming
Used Alaska First as her campaign slogan, which is the same one as her husband’s old party, the AIP, a secessionist organization she recorded a supportive piece for this year! She was also the keynote speaker for AIP on several occasions and her husband was an ardent supporter and member of AIP.

The AIP founder Joe Voglar once stated, “I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." and "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Wants to ban stem cell research
Is on the record stating the Iraq war ”Is a task from God.”

In July when interviewed about the possibility of being the VP she stated that she did not know what the VP did.

McCain has called Palin the “smartest person in the country” when it comes to energy policy (Which is absurd onto itself) When asked if US Companies would be guaranteed the oil from a new expansion of Alaskan drilling she responded:
“Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first." Hugh? Is there an actual thought in there?

Left her town Mayoralty with a huge debt, having outspent all around in her (21 MILION in debt)
Charged women in Alaska for rape kits which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece

Supports abstinence only sex education. No other forms are acceptable.

Has never met a world leader which is unheard of. Every VP in the last 60 years has met a foreign leader.

Just received her passport in July of 2007. Only left the country once.

And, perhaps worst of all, Palin would insist that my 14 daughter carry and birth a rapist’s child

This is the Palin devide. Once the public actually got some basic info of this mythology the GOP attempted to create her favorability numbers sank like a stone. These are the policies of the next potential VP. I am sure voters will LOVE LOVE these moronic policies.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 19, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The Obama-bots are vile people.

They are unable to voice an opinion without making an insult.

Posted by: Kooly | September 19, 2008 3:35 PM

Their trashy and abusive behavior is characteristic of low class people. Because they have low self-esteem and see themselves and those around them as inferior to the rest of society, they talk abusively and belittlingly to each other. They think it's acceptable behavior because they do it among themselves.

Bully street culture: That's how low-class people work things out among themselves, not actually being right or wrong or persuasive or not. They slap & punch each other to dominate each other. When you send low-class people with poor character to college, you get this same behavior, but in verbal form.

They think that they are being cool or dominating or proving something to talk this way on forums in political discourse. But all they prove is what kind of community they came from.

It's a pretty good argument for abortion, actually. They have a hard time understanding getting trapped in a family they don't want or with more children than they want, and see that as hell, simply because urban society is more of an overpopulated social pressure-cooker and interpersonally abusive.

They don't understand small-town America or born-to-privilege people, who don't behave that way toward each other. The urban ghetto society is more predator-prey, tribal and hate-based than what most people in Red states can relate to.

Again, compelling arguments for abortion.


Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Why are people afraid to sign their names to their posts? This is the USA and not Stalin's USSR.

Posted by: David Fahey | September 19, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

PALIN BACKED RON PAUL? http://www.veeppeek.com

YESTERDAY MORE CAME OUT ABOUT SARAH PALINS ALLEDGED AFFIAR. http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Brian says
"Palin is a political star and a an all-American Margaret Thatcher."


Brian, with all due respect, you don't seem to know sh!t about Margaret Thatcher.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

if experience has so much to do with this race how come the polls doesn't show it for the big hero and maverick as far as i am concern there are no living heroes they are all dead.this race will be won on black, white minority turn out.if you thought issues would decide this election you would be voting for obama.john is as bigger racist than anybody in the senate.how about that for dinner.he pick sarah for the white vote and guess what there isn't that many of his kind out there anymore.tradition is over

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat but will vote for McCain/Palin. Palin is a political star and a an all-American Margaret Thatcher. Palin rankles Democrats so much because she will take the election away from them in 2008. To Huffington, and the like: Enjoy Hell!!!

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Enjoy stupidity

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

lulu9999 writes
"Hey Frank do you realize the battle ground states are all redneck and hillbillies? I bet they will be holding on to there guns and religion and voting for McCain."

They are? Colorado, New Mexico & Nevada sure aren't all redneck and hillbilly. Iowa, MN, WI & NH aren't either. Parts of PA & OH certainly have pockets of hillbillies, but they also have large urban populations - that outweigh the rural populations. Michigan ain't so hillbilly either, though I guess they do have some militia types up there.

lulu, I think you might be overcounting your chickens.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat but will vote for McCain/Palin. Palin is a political star and a an all-American Margaret Thatcher. Palin rankles Democrats so much because she will take the election away from them in 2008. To Huffington, and the like: Enjoy Hell!!!

Posted by: Brian | September 19, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

still waiting for the facts. Are you one of those people that Obama puts on websites to stir things up. Frank I am not racist I just happen to like McCain a lot more.

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

This is pretty simple:

1) Why trust one of those hippie-liberal MSM professional journalists who might report something you didn't want to hear when you can just slap lipstick on a GOP operative and stick him in front of a camera and have him say what you need him to say?

2) Why trust one of those hippie-liberal main stream professional scientists who tell you the fundamental nature of the universe is as yet beyond our technological level of sophistication to understand when you can just roll out some Neo-Creationists who manage to give a nice tidy seven day explanation of the cosmos?

3) Why trust any of those hippie-liberal main stream professional CIA operatives or spy sats when you can just wheel in some loon from the American Enterprise Institute and have them say definitively that a targeted nation had weapons worth starting a war over?

4) Why trust any of those hippie-liberal main stream professional economists who tell us through the use of extensively vetted data that the Bush-McCain theories governing their economic policies have been a disaster in both the long and short term for our nation, when we can just keep saying the (undefined) funadamentals are strong?

GOP Political Theory: The best science fiction in town.

A rising tide lifts all ships... but the invisible hand of the market swamps an ungodly number of them in the process. Unfettered laissez-faire economic theory is one of the foundations of our modern global market, but we have never been willing to go with it 100% because it destroys lives. Laissez-faire creates money, and there is no question about that. But simple people in small towns go to the voting booth to stabilize their way of life. An economy based on most of the principals of laissez-faire with regulation thrown in to mitigate instability is what allows business and citizen to cohabitate in an open society like ours. This combination allows both innovation and protection. Going hardcore protectionist just stifles innovation (look at healthcare in social welfare countries), while lurching the other way in favor of hyperinnovation simply leads to social instability in favor of corporate profit (look at China). So there is my ten cents. Oh, and another thing...

Here's the central issue of the campaign: Media inattention to the real issues. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who only picked Palin because she appears young and pretty (to someone his age). You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife after she was disabled in a car wreck. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife for a super wealthy fembot. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who cheated on his wife after she waited for him while imprisoned in Vietnam.

While reading that, and getting fired up, McCain and Bush were shaking in their boots about this election. They've been called on the carpet as the pigs they are. They'll be out in the cold come November.

Pigs in a blanket.

Game over Repugnantcans. You're time here is done. Thanks for the memories, but it is time to step aside and let us adults take over and fix what you broke.

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 19, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm a progressive with no animosity toward Palin. I don't particularly like or dislike her, I just think a little more experience would be helpful.

Before someone goes off, I also think Obama could use more experience. But he spent a number of years as an Illinois State Senator, he is currently a U.S. Senator, and he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. That may not make him Colin Powell, but unqualified? No. If he were a Republican, I would feel the same way.

Ultimately, though, who is or is not qualified and who the vice president may be are peripheral issues.

The central question is this: Are you satisfied with the direction of the country? If you are, then vote for McCain, because the GOP is largely responsible for your prosperity and security -- or lack of same -- for the last eight years, and there is no reason to think McCain will be any different. I may be wrong.

Those of us who see the glass half empty are going to want to go in a different direction.

Posted by: Enemy Of The State | September 19, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Voting for McCain is not a very good idea.

We don't want someone behind the wheel who freaks out over the sound of keys jingling.

I know why he doesn't use a computer. Because a computer has keys.

As for McWretch, Paleease, there aint enough lipstick...............

Posted by: Netwit1 | September 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

How about the fact that, as mayor of Wasilla, she made women who may have been sexually assaulted pay for their rape kit?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Okay more innuendos.Do you have facts or just more bullsh$$

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The abortion story that is coming out will put the final nail in Palin.

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Get over the bridge to nowhere. Is that all you got that and your national enquirer stories. Do any of you know how much the cupola cost that sits in the middle of a field on the south side of chicago cost. 27 million so if you want to go fact for fact let's do it.

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 3:47 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

kingofzouk writes
"I predict (and you all know my uncanny predictions, check my Palin forecast days before it happened)"

My, what a selective memory you have, mr Zouk. The prediction I remember you making is that Giuliani would be not only the GOP nominee, but the next president. Does that count as one or two wrong predictions?

p.s. if you have a link to this 'bayesian' model, I'd love to see it. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Frank we are not talking south.johnMcCain will win in the south. I am talking Ohio, Pa. virginia and Michigan and colorado.

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Get over the bridge to nowhere. Is that all you got that and your national enquirer stories. Do any of you know how much the cupola cost that sits in the middle of a field on the south side of chicago cost. 27 million so if you want to go fact for fact let's do it.

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"I have met that guy from fivethirtyeight.com. I would put my trust in what they do over there more then anybody else. Read the whole site and the Q&A. It is very interesting."

Yeah, I saw the name Nate Silver and I spent like an hour trying to remember where I had seen that name before. Then I realized that I used to read him back on baseballprospectus.com (back when the site was free a looong time ago)

Posted by: DDAWD | September 19, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse


I have written this before but I am from the south and I know people who are stone bigots. I am talking like KKK types. They are voting for Obama. The fact is, this has all come to everybody's door step and when it comes down to brass tacks, people vote their own interests. All the bigoted crap gets forgotten pretty quick.

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there is a lot of white racist and bigots in america,but not enough to elect john mccain or sarah.these people are so sick they want even go after the black vote or how interesting because latinos are laughing at you.racism at its best.issues i don't think so when it come to repub it is all black and white

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 3:36 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

In her convention speech, Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin quoted an unidentified “writer” who extolled the virtues of small-town America: “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity.” (9/3/08) The unidentified writer was Westbrook Pegler (1894-1969), the ultraconservative newspaper columnist whose widely syndicated columns (at its peak, 200 newspapers and 12 million readers) targeted the New Deal establishment, labor leaders, intellectuals, homosexuals, Jews, and poets.

A cursory glance at his oeuvre yields plenty examples of such attacks:


On Robert Kennedy:

He wished in 1965 that “some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.” (J. Sharlet, “Paradise Shot to Hell: The Westbrook Pegler Story”, in Boob Jubilee, Ed. T. Frank & D. Mulcahey, W.W. Norton & Company, 2003, p. 358)

On the Jewish community:

Jews, he said, could not be the victims of persecution because persecution “connotes injustice…They are, instead, enduring retaliation, or punishment.” (D. Levitas, The Terrorist Next Door: The Militia Movement and the Radical Right, Macmillan, 2002, p. 71.)

He advanced the theory that American Jews of Eastern European descent were “instinctively sympathetic to Communism, however outwardly respectable they appeared.” (The New York Times, Obituary: “Free-Swinging Critic,” June 25, 1969, p. 43).

He had a habit of calling Jews “geese” because they, in his words, hiss when they talk, gulp down everything before them, and foul everything in their wake. (Diane McWhorter, “Revisiting the controversial career of Westbrook Pegler,” Slate, March 4 2004).

March 12 1945; In response to the Fair Employment Practices bill of New York State, which forbade Jews and other minorities from being restricted by quota in New York City medical establishments, Pegler attacked the new law as “pernicious heresy against the ancient privilege of human beings to hate.” (R. Kahn, The Era, 1947-1957, University of Nebraska Press, 2002, p. 44)

On the Civil Rights movement:

In 1963, less than 3 months after Martin Luther King Jr., delivered his famous “I Have a Dream Speech,” he wrote in a column, “[It is] clearly the bounden duty of all intelligent Americans to proclaim and practice bigotry.” (D. Levitas, The Terrorist Next Door: The Militia Movement and the Radical Right, Macmillan, 2002, p. 71)

In 1936, he wrote his famous lines, “I am a member of the rabble in good standing.” Yet that column was written in praise of a California lynch mob that killed two (white) men charged with a kidnapping-murder. (Diane McWhorter, “Revisiting the controversial career of Westbrook Pegler,” Slate, March 4 2004).

On the labor movement:

He once exhorted citizens to join strikebreakers “in the praiseworthy pastime of batting the brains out of pickets.” (J. Sharlet, “Paradise Shot to Hell: The Westbrook Pegler Story”, in Boob Jubilee, Ed. T. Frank & D. Mulcahey, W.W. Norton & Company, 2003, p. 358)

On Homosexuals:

In the spring of 1950, piling on the McCarthy era attacks on the state department, Pegler attacked the State Department for being too friendly to homosexuals. Five of these columns were addressed to Dean Acheson, offering suggestions for changes to make the department reflect “the distinctive spirit and character of so many of the personnel.” He suggested Acheson rename the street adjoining departmental headquarters Grimm Street after the author of the fairy tales; that he rename the smoking room the “Fag room”; and that he replace the standard handshake greeting with a curtsy and the standard mode of address from “your Excellency” to “precious.” Courses in interior decorating, he mused, might provide better preparation for entry into the foreign service than history or political science.” (D. K. Johnson, The Lavender Scare, The University of Chicago Press, 2004, 68-69, quoting W. Pegler, Washington Times-Herald, March 31, 1950, 14).

In 1950, this verse:

“How could [Truman] help it if parties

both unusual and queer

Got into the State Department

which true patriots hold dear?

To hear the dastards tell it

they are true to Uncle Joey

And call each other female

names like Bessie, Maud, and Chloe.

And write each other poetry

and confidential notes so tender

Lke they was not he-men at all

but belonged to the opposing gender.”

(from D. K. Johnson, The Lavender Scare, The University of Chicago Press, 2004, 65)

On Roosevelt:

He wrote that “It [was] regrettable that Giuseppe Zangara hit the wrong man when he shot at Roosevelt in Miami.” (W. E. Leuchtenburg, The FDR Years, Columbia University Press, 1997, p. 316).

On the WWII Japanese Internment:

“[T]o hell with habeas corpus,” (G. Stone, Perilous Times: Free Speech in Wartime, W.W. Norton & Company, 2004, p. 294).

Posted by: Former Republican | September 19, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scott F I ask again where are you and groundhogday getting your facts. Would like to go in and check them out.

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin allowed a 26 million dollar road that was complementing the bridge to nowhere, to proceed AFTER the bridge project was cancelled.

26 million in government money was wasted by Palin, despite protests asking her to cancel the project.

How does she answer for that?

Check out the story for yourself. It's at:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/palins-26-embarrassmentthe-road-to.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 19, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

sarah did not know blacks exist until she won the governors race and had to visit washington.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey Frank you do not even have a clue what the silent majority is in those states and you know what it has to do with your precious Obama being racist about people he knows nothing about. Yeah he knows what is going on in this country. Only if it is affecting his check book.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tom,

How is Obama more qualified than Palin?

Short list there.

Pathetic.

Posted by: Kooly | September 19, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin campaign probably has past its high water mark. Palin's lack of knowledge on the campaign is showing up in the polls. She has the lowest ratings of all the candidates. You could say Sarah Palin chickens are coming home to roost. She was never qualified to be a CEO or VP selection.

Posted by: Scott F. | September 19, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

asoders22:

go back and read the post. If Palin were a democrat, i.e., if she held different political views, and Obama picked her as his running mate, then all the Obama Kool Aid drinkers would saying what a great choice he made. They'd be praising his choice of a Washington outsider, and saying that she is exactly what america needs. but since she is a right winger, she must be destroyed!!!

Posted by: Reader | September 19, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The liberals are scare of Palin.

They know that Obama is failing. This was supposed to be easy for Obama, and look how easy it is for McCain.

Posted by: Kooly | September 19, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

What do you think of Palin, Chris? Do you think she is VP material? Why not evaluate her strengths and weaknesses?

Posted by: Tom | September 19, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: Jennifer | September 19, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey groundhogday where did you get your statistics. I would like to go check it out. Gosh I hope you aren't from the great state of Pa.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

there is a lot of white racist and bigots in america,but not enough to elect john mccain or sarah.these people are so sick they want even go after the black vote or how interesting because latinos are laughing at you.racism at its best.issues i don't think so when it come to repub it is all black and white

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The Obama-bots are vile people.

They are unable to voice an opinion without making an insult.

Posted by: Kooly | September 19, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl has finally proven something to me, he/she is disgusting, ignorant, and thoughtless - and those are her/his good points. Just the stupid and idiotic banter on these posts is enough to make anyone puke. If Obama had picked Sarah, you perverted dumbocraps would indeed be braying with absolute glee. But no, your pony chose an old run down washington do nothing in the senate hasbeen since 1973, and you are all happy with that? If all goes well, and Biden usually performs on cue, he'll really screw Obama's campaign up. That is what Joe is great at.

Posted by: Adrian | September 19, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Just look at her favorable vs. unfavorable poll numbers. Palin is now the least popular of the presidential and vice-presidential candidates. Sarah Palin made a nice initial splash, but the more people get to know her the less they like her.

By November, Palin will be banished to Pro-Life fundraisers and will be at best only a slight drag on the McCain. If she really bombs in the debate, we might actually see this VP selection torpedo McCain's candidacy.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/palins-collapse.html

Posted by: Groundhogday | September 19, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Palin so pretty wrote:

"I imagine that if Sarah Palin were a Democrat, and Obama had picked her, everyone on the blog would be cheering and saying how awesome she is."

He wouldn't pick her. They don't agree on anything, and whatever he is, he is not plain dumb. And if he did because of some total mental black-out, he'd have no support from either Democrat men or women.

Posted by: asoders22 | September 19, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's presence on the Republican ticket is an insult to every thinking woman and man in America. John McCain has proven he is unfit for the presidency with this dangerous and short-sighted selection.

I loved the idea found earlier on this page of making a donation to Planned Parenthood in memory of Sarah Palin. Here is the information again:


Rather than complaining about Palin, let's do something positive!

Make a gift in honor of Sarah Palin's lack of good parenting skills, to Planned Parenthood:

https://secure.ga0.org/02/pp10000_inhonor

Send the gift acknowledgement to the McCain/Palin Campaign Headquarters (in the fields indicated in the online donation form):

McCain/Palin 2008

1235 S. Clark Street

1st Floor

Arlington, VA 22202

Please forward this to as many like-minded people as you can!

Posted by: Revolver Trooper Palin | September 19, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse


I have met that guy from fivethirtyeight.com. I would put my trust in what they do over there more then anybody else. Read the whole site and the Q&A. It is very interesting.
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"also, INFORMS, a mathematical society has built a Bayesian model that gives McCain the electoral college edge. this is my field."

What about the model on www.fivethirtyeight.com They give Obama a 60% chance of winning based on how the data plays out. Any insight into their methodology and why their model is inferior or at least different from the one that you like?

Posted by: DDAWD | September 19, 2008 3:27 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey Frank do you realize the battle ground states are all redneck and hillbillies? I bet they will be holding on to there guns and religion and voting for McCain.

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

say NO to Palin: for more see The Complete Book of the Collected Wisdom of Sarah Palin: In Her Own Words for more enlightenment!

Posted by: susan willisma | September 19, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Is this Republican campaign a new version of "The Producers"?

You pick the worst play/VP candidate you can think of, hoping for a flop... and then, to your horror, it just might not fail, and you're stuck with it/her!

There is no way the Republican leadership can actually respect Sarah Palin as a seasoned politician and look forward to seeing her as a real VP or President.

Posted by: asoders22 | September 19, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"also, INFORMS, a mathematical society has built a Bayesian model that gives McCain the electoral college edge. this is my field."

What about the model on www.fivethirtyeight.com They give Obama a 60% chance of winning based on how the data plays out. Any insight into their methodology and why their model is inferior or at least different from the one that you like?

Posted by: DDAWD | September 19, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

as long as we keep the vote out of the redneck and hillbillys hand obama will skate.the white repub will be spending a lot time with their on kind when this is over.

Posted by: frank | September 19, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what you are talking about Mccain has been ahead on Intrade since his convention. He was up around 10 points at times. Now Obama is up around 4 and in fact has about the same number he has had except for about 6 weeks ago when he went in the 60's. Mccain is the one who went up and came down. Obama has been steady. I don't see any reason now for mccain to ever take the lead again unless something happens during the debates. I think the debates will finish off Mccain. Obama seems so ready for the debates he can't hardly stand still. He works with his advisors everyday and Mccain spends his days reading from his tired old cue cards he carries and playing nurse maid to Palin who they are scared to death to let campaign on her own.

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I tend to appreciate the folks who know what they are saying or know what they are doing. this pretty much excludes this blog entirely ( and perhaps me for posting here).

but it is interesting that Intrade, the betting parlor for elections, now has McCain tied or leading in its wagers. Obama has been experiencing a long slow slide down since beating hillary.

also, INFORMS, a mathematical society has built a Bayesian model that gives McCain the electoral college edge. this is my field.

I predict (and you all know my uncanny predictions, check my Palin forecast days before it happened) that Obama will stumble rather significantly in the debates. The Palin thing has run its course. she is neither wonder woman nor Satan.

I just don't think that Obama has the decision capabilites to answer a question in the style required by the voters. Um, uh and like do not fly. the 40% Dem voters won't care, as the 40% Repubs won't. It is the confused middle that is up for grabs. what are they looking for. wonky policy and empty promises. I doubt it. they want someone who looks like they know what they are doing. Obama comes up short, despite his natural talants at presentation, he simply doesn't have the oomph needed. his performance in every single debate or difficult interview showed him to be a lightweight.

check back after the debates at this reliable forecast. I don't expect you angry leftists to agree or even to ever listen to reason. It is simply not in your nature.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 19, 2008 3:16 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I imagine that if Sarah Palin were a Democrat, and Obama had picked her, everyone on the blog would be cheering and saying how awesome she is.

The double standard here is astounding, but then again, if not for double standards, Democrats would have no standards.

Posted by: Palin so pretty | September 19, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I just had a great IM chat with Gov. Palin on Yahoo. She is going to let me be her toilet. I can't wait for her to poop and pee on me. If anyone else wants to, please feel free. I am dirty and deserve to have you do your toileting on me.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

obama seems perplexed,
that not all 57 states
are in his column yet.

Posted by: simonsays | September 19, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

For the past six years, I have been the webmaster for my son's elementary school PTA. In those six years, we've had four PTA Presidents, all of them women. All of them were dedicated to building a better school for our kids. But one of them thought that the way to get things done was to be pushy and demanding, ridicule people that didn't agree with her, force people off the Board, and break the rules to get special benefits for her daughter's grade, class, or group.

Sarah Palin reminds me of this woman more than anyone else I know. They LOOK nothing alike, but in attitide, organization, and demeanor, they are spot-on twins.

And that's what Sarah Palin is: a PTA President masquerading at a Governor, trying to move up to Vice President. If you can't build a skating rink without breaking the law and going into debt, I certainly don't want you runnnig my country.

Posted by: Chredon | September 19, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

obamabots unite'
our issues are not economical
or social.
they are words, sweet beautiful
words, 'dishonorable, treason,
lying, sleazy...'
come on,
let me spoon feed you.
Nobama

Posted by: usa3 | September 19, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I tend to appreciate the folks who know what they are saying or know what they are doing. this pretty much excludes this blog entirely ( and perhaps me for posting here).

but it is interesting that Intrade, the betting parlor for elections, now has McCain tied or leading in its wagers. Obama has been experiencing a long slow slide down since beating hillary.

also, INFORMS, a mathematical society has built a Bayesian model that gives McCain the electoral college edge. this is my field.

I predict (and you all know my uncanny predictions, check my Palin forecast days before it happened) that Obama will stumble rather significantly in the debates. The Palin thing has run its course. she is neither wonder woman nor Satan.

I just don't think that Obama has the decision capabilites to answer a question in the style required by the voters. Um, uh and like do not fly. the 40% Dem voters won't care, as the 40% Repubs won't. It is the confused middle that is up for grabs. what are they looking for. wonky policy and empty promises. I doubt it. they want someone who looks like they know what they are doing. Obama comes up short, despite his natural talants at presentation, he simply doesn't have the oomph needed. his performance in every single debate or difficult interview showed him to be a lightweight.

check back after the debates at this reliable forecast. I don't expect you angry leftists to agree or even to ever listen to reason. It is simply not in your nature.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 19, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The nazi reference was your own,
berliner's .. citizens of the world.
gubers " if you say something long
enough, it doesnt matter if it is true"
and the democratic class rhetoric is
so sad. calling people who make
$250K a year poor.
Nobama

Posted by: usa3 | September 19, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey aspergirl good job. I don't think I have seen so many misinformed people in one spot. I think Obama dragged his teleprompter out the other day because he was having a hard time putting sentences together. Is this the best you guys have is getting your info from the national enquirer. Sarah Palin has more Cojones than Obama and Biden put together. You are being that typical woman who is maybe just a little jealous. Does anyone in this room have a reason as to why they are actually voting for Obama?

Posted by: lulu9999 | September 19, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

the class war fare wasn't initiated

by the middle class

my naive buthole

.tell the truth or end up serving it.


it's called treason...acting against the best interests of the United States...


it's what the current administration and republican party have done.

.

.

Posted by: my contende' | September 19, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I thought women would have seen through the obvious slap in the face and been mad that their sex was deemed so gullible.

I thought blacks would have seen through
the obvious slap in the face and been mad
that their race was deemed so gullible.

Posted by: usa3 | September 19, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Governor Sarah Palin is a charismatic leader. She is a strong role model. Governor Palin deals with family and career. Bravo! America is the land of opportunity. America is a democracy. If we are a democracy, Governor Palin is able to run as a VP; regardless her background.

Posted by: mmarri | September 19, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If Hitler was alive today he would be a Republican. You saw that republican convention, it looked like a gathering of the Nazi party. Signs wit "Country first" and all the speeches in the effect of "You are either with us or you are not real americans or patriots"
A good quote from the Nazi's that applies to the republicans is:

“…it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. … All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”

- Hermann Goering, founder of the Gestapo and one of the main architects of Nazi Germany.

See anything familiar?
=========
The class warfare reminds me
of a young change pioneer,
he changed the history of
his country, tore down the
structures of power
and wealth.
yes, it was a great day for
mother russia when lenin
succeeded.
Posted by: usa3 | September 19, 2008 3:03 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Dear Friends and Family,

The granddaughter of a friend of mine came up with this one — clever young woman— and I'm spreading it around!

Rather than complaining about her, let's do something positive!

Make a gift in honor of Sarah Palin's lack of good parenting skills, to Planned Parenthood:

https://secure.ga0.org/02/pp10000_inhonor

Send the gift acknowledgement to the McCain/Palin Campaign Headquarters (in the fields indicated in the online donation form):

McCain/Palin 2008

1235 S. Clark Street

1st Floor

Arlington, VA 22202

Please forward this to as many like-minded people as you can!

Posted by: want to do some positive work????? | September 19, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!

• As Palin's Scandals Simmer, Romney Waits in the Wings

• Is Obama Naively Ceding to the Bushies?


Palin's husband won't testify in a bipartisan investigation that the Gov earlier said she welcomed. She continues to display a breathtaking ignorance on matters of national and international affairs, and her hubris easily matches Obama's. The National Enquirer is reporting on alleged drug use within her family. She's now a punch line -- and when a politician becomes a laughing stock, his/her credibility is severely damaged.

When this writer predicted in a column a couple of weeks ago that Palin will withdraw from the race for family reasons, he was derided by right-leaning Palin apologists. But now that the polls have turned and the economy has overshadowed lipstick and pigs as the focus of media attention, I'll say it again -- events could force McCain to find some pretense that will result in a late-cycle replacement for Palin, someone skilled in money matters... someone like Mitt Romney.

Remember Geraldine Ferraro...

Dumping Palin could be the only way that McCain can regain the lead over Obama, who is skillfully managing the race's renewed focus on the economy -- traditionally, an advantage to the Dems.

But on the Dem side, is Obama ceding the economy issue to Paulson and Bernanke? Instead of urging the Democratic Congress to delay their adjournment and act as a full partner in forging new economic policies, Obama seems to be saying that it's a Hank-and-Ben show for the short-term.

That was a strategic error. Instead, he should have said that the Dems must act as the vigilant watchdogs, and must demand a seat at the table right now. They do hold the majority in Congress; why are they content to take a back seat and leave the driving to the people they've blamed for tanking the economy in the first place?

Also, Obama should have signaled his concern about the root causes of the crisis... and whether an unquestioning rubber-stamp of the administration's emergency legislation will help further a hidden agenda that could endanger democracy:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

OR BOOKMARK

http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | September 19, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain only chose Palin because she was a woman.
Axelrod only chose Obama because he was a
black.

Posted by: usa3 | September 19, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

For someone with such a short history in national politics... Palin has way too much drama for my liking... when there's drama, there's chaos ... we already had that with Bush... no mas

Posted by: nerakami | September 19, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Palin is inspiring!

Posted by: simonsays | September 19, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

shockingly absurd writes
"McCain only chose Palin because she was a woman. After Hillary was passed over McCain realized women would flock to him if he chose a woman, regardless of who she was or what she stood for."

That's not quite true. Gov Palin isn't just a woman, she's the tri-fecta. She's a woman, she's an evangelical, and she can make a credible claim as a reformer.

The problem is that she seems to be utterly unfamiliar with the role of the Fed gov't, she's trying to have it both ways on Fed earmarks, and the McCain campaign appears not to have spent much time vetting her.

Her selection clearly shook up the race - there was a very minimal & short-lived convention bounce for Obama-Biden and a large bounce for McCain-Palin. The problem is now they have to figure out how she fits into the campaign. They're keeping her on a very tight leash, and some of the facts around her tenure raise questions about her credibility as a reformer. They want credit for her experience as a governor and mayor, but won't put her out in front of the media in a press conference. They want credit for her shaking up the AK gov't, but she's suddenly decided to fight an investigation she used to support - into her own behavior as governor.

So, the short-term benefit of choosing Gov Palin was a big positive. Its not yet clear that her long term affect won't be a huge negative.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

By the first Tuesday in November, Obama supporters will be down to the 9 percenters for Pelosi/Reid.

Posted by: sphinctator2 | September 19, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The class warfare reminds me
of a young change pioneer,
he changed the history of
his country, tore down the
structures of power
and wealth.
yes, it was a great day for
mother russia when lenin
succeeded.

Posted by: usa3 | September 19, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the Palin divide is pretty similar to the Bush divide. Gov. Palin has succeeded in generating enthusiasm for the Republican ticket from those people who think George W. Bush has done a really good job as President.

It's a little early to talk about "love" with respect to Palin: she was unknown to most of the people now singing her praises a month ago, and has managed to avoid doing many press interviews. It does seem clear, though, that the people who believe in George Bush are also the people most excited about Sarah Palin. She does, after all, bring to the table many of the same things he does, most especially a flamboyant disregard for liberals and the media -- the lowest common denominator of Republican politics. She also professes evangelical Christianity, as Bush does; this is enough to get some evangelical Christians to set aside whatever doubts they might have in favor of the urge to support one of their own.

What about the people who do not think George W. Bush has been a great President? Sarah Palin won't do a lot for most of those people; her appeal is not durable.

The first impression on some commentators is that she is what she seems to be, but over the long term this isn't necessarily a positive thing. What Palin seems to be is a small time politician only months removed from the administration of an Alaskan village, who cannot speak with any assurance about most areas of federal government policy. At a time when Americans are feeling, with reason, some anxiety about the future and when most of them are convinced that a man out of his depth in the White House is part of the problem, Sarah Palin is unlikely to extend Sen. McCain appeal past the minority of Americans who would gladly give George W. Bush a third term if they could.

Posted by: Zathras | September 19, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry she will never be VP even if they manage to get elected. Joe Liberman will replace her. Palin is such a stooge and fool she actually thinks she is running for VP. She has no idea how treacherous the people are she is dealing with.

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Why would we elect a person who:

*FORCES RAPE AND INCEST VICTIMS TO KEEP THEIR PREGNANCY
*IS CURRENTLY UNDER ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE'S INVESTIGATION - AND BLOCKING IT?
*WAS INVOLVED WITH THE SECESSIONIST, US HATING ALASKA FIRST PARTY AND TAPED AN OFFICIAL WELCOMING ADDRESS TO THEM IN 2008?
*IS UNDER EDUCATED?
*IS UNDER-QUALIFIED?
*HAS NO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE OF ANY KIND?
*EQUATES LOOKING ACROSS THE SEA TO RUSSIA WITH "EXPERIENCE"?
*WHO REACHES OUT FROM HIGH GOVERNMENT OFFICE TO FIRE PRIVATE CITIZENS LIKE LIBRARIANS AND HER EX BROTHER IN LAW?
*IS USING BUSH ADVISORS TO BLOCK THE INVESTIGATION OF HER ABUSE OF POWER CRIMES
*VIOLATES ALASKA STATE LAW (NOT TO MENTION GOOD OLD COMMON SENSE BY USING UNSECURED YAHOO EMAIL ACCOUNTS FOR OFFICIAL BUSINESS?
*THREATENS RUSSIA AND PUTIN WITH MILLITARY ACTION BEFORE SHE'S EVEN IN THE VP SEAT?

PALIN IS A DANGEROUS I-D-I-O-T AND YOU WANT HER TO BE A 72 YEAR OLD MAN'S HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENCY AND TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR NUCLEAR ARSINAL?

Posted by: JBE | September 19, 2008 2:55 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that GOP politicians (and apparently their husbands) think they can just give a big middle finger to the law. Gov. and first dude Palin just refuse to acknowledge subpoenas and testify as required by law. This is a disturbing trend whose that was set in motion by the Bush administration. Do GOP politicians and their spouses think they are above the law? SHould they be allowed to get away with it? Wouldn't "law and order" Republican heads explode if a Dem were to pull a similar stunt?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

STILL A PIG IN LIPSTICK,DID YOU NOTICE
HOW HANNITY,HAND S WERE OUT OF CONTROL,SO FEMININE,MORE SO THAN SARAH,WHAT A PHONEY
INTERVIEW REALLY SCRIPED.

Posted by: ASPERBOY | September 19, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Dear Friends and Family,

The granddaughter of a friend of mine came up with this one — clever young woman— and I'm spreading it around!

Rather than complaining about her, let's do something positive!

Make a gift in honor of Sarah Palin's lack of good parenting skills, to Planned Parenthood:

https://secure.ga0.org/02/pp10000_inhonor

Send the gift acknowledgement to the McCain/Palin Campaign Headquarters (in the fields indicated in the online donation form):

McCain/Palin 2008

1235 S. Clark Street

1st Floor

Arlington, VA 22202

Please forward this to as many like-minded people as you can!

Posted by: want to do some positive work????? | September 19, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Why would we elect a person who:

*FORCES RAPE AND INCEST VICTIMS TO KEEP THEIR PREGNANCY
*IS CURRENTLY UNDER ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE'S INVESTIGATION - AND BLOCKING IT?
*WAS INVOLVED WITH THE SECESSIONIST, US HATING ALASKA FIRST PARTY AND TAPED AN OFFICIAL WELCOMING ADDRESS TO THEM IN 2008?
*IS UNDER EDUCATED?
*IS UNDER-QUALIFIED?
*HAS NO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE OF ANY KIND?
*EQUATES LOOKING ACROSS THE SEA TO RUSSIA WITH "EXPERIENCE"?
*WHO REACHES OUT FROM HIGH GOVERNMENT OFFICE TO FIRE PRIVATE CITIZENS LIKE LIBRARIANS AND HER EX BROTHER IN LAW?
*IS USING BUSH ADVISORS TO BLOCK THE INVESTIGATION OF HER ABUSE OF POWER CRIMES
*VIOLATES ALASKA STATE LAW (NOT TO MENTION GOOD OLD COMMON SENSE BY USING UNSECURED YAHOO EMAIL ACCOUNTS FOR OFFICIAL BUSINESS?
*THREATENS RUSSIA AND PUTIN WITH MILLITARY ACTION BEFORE SHE'S EVEN IN THE VP SEAT?

PALIN IS A DANGEROUS I-D-I-O-T AND YOU WANT HER TO BE A 72 YEAR OLD MAN'S HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENCY AND TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR NUCLEAR ARSINAL?

Posted by: JBE | September 19, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Face it, AsperGirl-- all your bluster and all your phony posts haven't persuaded anyone. You know McCain is going down to defeat and that your gal Hillary will never be the candidate in 2012 (when you'll have a miraculous "change of heart" and begin endorsing Democrats again).

If anything, I would say that your posts are good for a laugh...

Posted by: DB | September 19, 2008 2:43 PM


This is the most spot on post I have ever read on this site. CONGRATS!! She just doesnt realize that we see her for what she is.

What she doesnt realize is that if Obama doesnt win, Hillary will fairly or unfairly shoulder part of the blame for her lack of support.

Posted by: Sad Asper | September 19, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

By the first Tuesday in November, Palin supporters will be down to the 28 percenters for Bush.

Posted by: Spectator2 | September 19, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of everyone thinking Palin is so special. I used to like McCain before he turned to be a follower. Palin is not what she appears. She is a pushy, loudmouth who know nothing about politics in Washington. She only was out of the country for the first time a couple of years ago. Her push of religious values make me sick, the Irag war is a quest from God, God's mission is for us to drill for oil in the protected lands of Alaska, come on America we are not that dumb are we? Perhaps we are. And this whole attitude of standing behind her daugher..has anyone ever really look at the face of that poor girl. Her mother thrust her into a feeding frenzy.. not thinking about what it would do to her daughter. Perhaps these kids don't want to get married, perhaps her daughter maybe really doesn't want the baby, Palin is NOT putting her daughter first here, but her own political aspirations and agenda..I am sure she had something to do with her ex brother -in-law and his superior when she was accused of trying to get him fired.. She thinks she is beyond reproach and does it really matter as at the end of Chris's article.. ugh duh!!! yeah!!!.. what if God forbid something happens to McCain, She is what we're stuck with ... a woman who's only experience is being a mayor of a town of about 2000 and a governor for a short time.... WAKE UP AMERICA!!!! Just for the record, I am an independent and have voted republican on occasion, but McCain and Palin are not what this country needs right now.....

Posted by: dnubie | September 19, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

At the event a couple of days ago before Palin and Mccain arrived. A guy worked with the crowed coaching them how to boo when Obama's name was mentioned and how to yell
"Saraha Saraha Sarahe" on que. The whole thing was orchestrated. They rehearsed for about 15 minutes just how to do it. they practiced a bunch of times. Then they gave them fake home made signs to look like the people in the crowd made them. They even coached them how and when to wave them. It was really crazy. One of the ques by the way is when you see Mccain speaking, his wife stands just off to the side and claps of nods her head and smiles depending what reaction they want. It was an F'n joke.

==========
""She has an infectious personality and reads a TelePrompter well," said Davis to applause and laughter from some in the crowd."

This is funny when talking about Palin & not Obama?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 2:16 P

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain only chose Palin because she was a woman. After Hillary was passed over McCain realized women would flock to him if he chose a woman, regardless of who she was or what she stood for.

I thought women would have seen through the obvious slap in the face and been mad that their sex was deemed so gullible.

It is obvious now I was wrong and McCain was right. I still cant believe it though.

Posted by: Shockingly absurd | September 19, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Go on, Anonymous. Say something that'll get you kicked off the boards.

Posted by: DB | September 19, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Once again I am the outlier. I like Palin, but I can separate my liking of an individual from my judgment on whether or not to vote for him or her. And in her case it is no.

I used to like McCain, but like him or not, his shoot from the hip, dash to danger attitude, is not what I want in the White House. The job of President and the job of frontier sheriff have a completely different set of job qualifications.

Posted by: muD | September 19, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

You should talk, Anonymous.
Considering the number of posts with that user name, do you have anything going on in your life other than posting your worthless opinions?
Didn't think so-
DB (who is happily employed and has a wonderful life, unlike some bitter and unhappy Anonymous troll)

Posted by: DB | September 19, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

DB,

Palin is still more qualified than Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

DB,

I see that you like to waste more of our time with your pointless comments. No one cares about our usernames, and we still don't care about your mother.

Now put on some clothes and get a job.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

And just for Anonymouse's sake...
I relate this tidbit about my mom because you might assume she'd be all in favor of Palin.
She isn't.
She thinks Palin is underqualified in every way.
Much like Anonymouse...

Posted by: DB | September 19, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"First Dude"? What a dad! Hey, I've got nothing against disfunctional families. I just object to hiding it and pretending that it qualifies me for the White House.

I think it's great that their son wants to serve his country, it's better than serving time.

I believe in sex education, it prevents teen pregnancy and prevents teen abortions. Every study out there shows it's true. It is a fact. the problem with facts is that they get in the way of belief. The Palin family doesn't believe in sex education. They believe in teen pregnancy. Bush believed there were WMDs in Iraq. I want people in the WH who believe Facts.

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 19, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I can no longer afford to be a Republican ...and I will stop trying to find excuses as to why it is OK for them to give more to the wealthy. A long time friend of mine just told me that the McCain tax advantage for the rich was the main reason she was voting for him. I resent the greed from someone who has way more than they could ever need, even if they are a friend. Palin would be OK for student council VP, but I definitely do not want her running my country. I resent McCain for making it be even a remote possibility.
I am a white, math teaching, mother, who is a devout Christian....and therefore I will definitely support for Obama.

Posted by: VR | September 19, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

DB,

No one cares about your mother.

Grow up and move out of her basement already.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:42 PM
************

You shame me with your courageous... oh wait, you're ANONYMOUS. That is to say, faceless and unimportant.
Why don't you get a real name?

Posted by: DB | September 19, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

You are right on the money. I don't think you have to be some conspiracy theorist to think there is more going on here then meets the eye. Mccain and his henchmen are making it almost impossible for the troopergate thing to get done before the election. They also are doing everything to not release Palins tax records. I think they want them to be stalled for two reasons. One, naturally it would hurt them in the election. Two, they can use it later to get rid of her. I believe the tax records will be the most damaging. They live up there in the middle of no where doing as they please. He is a fisherman, pretty much a cash in hand business. I look to see them find things like say, a $60,000 snow machine paid for in cash and no way to account for the money. I can just imagine how they handle the states money. I just did some work for the Mayor of our town and was paid with a $12,000 check from our city. I have known this guy since we were in high school and could care less but they get so used to doing business like that they don't even know they are doing anything wrong after a while. I would bet the Palins are as dirty as they come if you take a closer look.


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I am an Obama fan and am quite sure he will be our next resident, but just suppose the voters take total leave of their senses.... Sarah Palin is nothing more than a small time crook. If one tenth of the accusations about her are true, and I am quite certain the "troopergate" one is, she will be removed from office or resign in disgrace. To date, and there are eye witnesses and records backing every single one of these, we have serial and multiple adultry, bribes, kickbacks, influence peddling, political malfeasance, abuse of her elected office, and witness tampering. She reminds me so much of Spiro Agnew, only a lot dumber, that it is frightening. Basically, I figure McCain will shed his mortal coils within the next couple of years and Palin will be consigned to the political ash heap and we get President Pelosi. Now, I happen to be a big fan of Nancy Pelosi and think she would make a fine President. I am just amazed, however, to see so many right wing nuts on the Pelosi bandwagon, agreeing with me.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 19, 2008 2:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

""She has an infectious personality and reads a TelePrompter well," said Davis to applause and laughter from some in the crowd."

This is funny when talking about Palin & not Obama?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 2:16 PM
***************

I don't think this is funny at all.
In fact, the thought of Palin as President is horrifying.

Face it, AsperGirl-- all your bluster and all your phony posts haven't persuaded anyone. You know McCain is going down to defeat and that your gal Hillary will never be the candidate in 2012 (when you'll have a miraculous "change of heart" and begin endorsing Democrats again).

If anything, I would say that your posts are good for a laugh...

Posted by: DB | September 19, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

DB,

No one cares about your mother.

Grow up and move out of her basement already.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama - Passed the bar IL bar exam, top dog at Harvard Law, six years in IL state senate, four years in US Senate on the foreign relations committee.

McLame & Failin - Not even qualified to get into an unaccredited law school.

We've seen what happens when we let an MBA president run the country. Now the gop runs two dolts that never bothered to take a graduate level course. Awesome, let the dumbest people in our society continue to run the country into the ground.

Only in politics is it a liability to smart. In every other position of power it is a pre-requisite. This is all a sick joke.

37th&O writes
"One really can not believe that Sarah Paline is not prepared to be President - and at the same time be in favor of Obama - that is hypocritical. Sarah Palin has more experience and is by far more qualified than Obama to be President."

Posted by: Styles P | September 19, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I and so many others average citizens can tell you more then they can. It is a joke!

If you like Palin, keep liking her, but send her back to Alaska and keep her focused on shooting Reindeer.


Posted by: jerry rubin | September 19, 2008 2:22 PM


Nice, Jerry, Nice. I have been to Alaska many times, and their is a certain hatred for the people of the Lower 48. My son lives there with his mom in Wasilla. When I heard that is where she was from, I sat there slack jawed. To make that leap in level should be illegal. It is a recipe for disaster.

You can see how this a very vindictive lady who indeed does have George Bushism's in her. She is a "your with me or against me" politician, and the Nation should realize we dont need that kind of governing.

Posted by: Sad American | September 19, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Every time I hear her speak, I hear a tipsy administrative assistant at the office Christmas party.

Posted by: ibc | September 19, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

LIPSTICK VS LIP SERVICE -- HOW MCCAIN, OBAMA PAY WOMEN

:::: Obama's women earn 0.83/dollar compared to his men ::::
:::: McCain's women earn $1.04/dollar compared to his men ::::

How Team Obama Pays Women
By Deroy Murdock

‘Now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day’s work,” Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said August 28 in his convention acceptance speech. He told the crowd in Denver: “I want my daughters to have exactly the same opportunities as your sons.”

...

Obama’s commitment to federally mandated pay equity stretches from the Rockies to Wall Street and beyond. And yet it seems to have eluded his United States Senate office. Compensation figures for his legislative staff reveal that Obama pays women just 83 cents for every dollar his men make.

...Obama’s 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama’s average male employee earned $54,397. Obama’s 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.

Why this disparity? One reason may be the underrepresentation of women among Obama’s highest-compensated employees. Of Obama’s five best-paid advisors, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.

On average, Obama’s female staffers earn just 83 cents for every dollar his male staffers make. This figure certainly exceeds the 77-cent threshold that Obama’s campaign website condemns. However, 83 cents do not equal $1. In spite of this 17-cent gap between Obama’s rhetoric and reality, he chose to chide GOP presidential contender John McCain on this issue.

...McCain’s payment patterns are the stuff of feminist dreams.

McCain’s 17 male staffers split $916,914, thus averaging $53,936. His 25 female employees divided $1,396,958 and averaged $55,878.

On average, according to these data, women in John McCain’s office make $1.04 for every dollar a man makes. In fact, ceteris paribus, a typical female staffer could earn 21 cents more per dollar paid to her male counterpart — while adding $10,726 to her annual income — by leaving Barack Obama’s office and going to work for John McCain.

more at: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmEzMTZmNTk5MDI0NTZmNjUwMjllN2ZlZTc0MWFmYzY=

LIPSTICK VS. LIP SERVICE

MCCAIN PUT PALIN ON HIS TICKET, TO MAKE HISTORY
OBAMA PULLED OFF A LOT TO KEEP HILLARY OFF HIS

MCCAIN = LIPSTICK
OBAMA = LIP SERVICE

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 2:17 PM

--------------------
the only problem with this little study of yours is that it was conducted by a RIGHT WING news orginization CNS.
Also the findings are highly misleading.

First off Obama has MORE women on his staff thus skewing the numbers and averages
Second McCain has women in higher positions in his campiagn thus skewing the numbers

The presentation of the biased data is similiar to this annalogy:

90% of all accidents occcur within five miles of home

GOP interpeteation of the data....
Obviously the area within five miles of the home is a more dangerous place.

True interpretaion of the data.....
Most of poples driving is done within five miles of the home thus the odds are higher an accident will occur within the five mile radius.

See its called an interpretation of the data and its flawed data to begin with.

More important is this...

McCain has voted AGAINST equal pay for women his entire career.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00203

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/washington/24cong.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 19, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

And my 78-year old mother, who has not been inclined to vote for Obama and lives in ruby red Mississippi, finds her appalling.

Posted by: DB | September 19, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a phony. She's a ruthless, vindictive and abusive opportunist who lies about her record, has no history of bipartisanship (how will she help McCain in Washington? not many moose to kill in DC...), and lacks even the most basic understanding of domestic and foreign policy issues.
In short, she's pretty and can read a teleprompter--and that is it.
If this was really the best McCain could do, the Republicans really have run out of viable candidates.

Posted by: DB | September 19, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

For myself, it is not only that Mrs. Palin is unqualified for the position, it is also the fact that Mr. McCain made a decision out of pure selfishness to win the presidency vs. serving our country first. He is pandering to the evangelical right while gaming the system with a marketing ploy.
A travesty is McCain handlers keeping Mrs. Palin from being interviewed by highly respected journalists and allowing the public to vett her. We only have 47 days to know this unknown.
Mr. McCain is past retirement age, is 72 yrs old and had melanoma cancer multiple times. He allows this unvetted, unqualified person to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

If some people like me are hostile is hardly surprising. No one likes to be gamed or have our democratic process bypassed. This is a great dishonor on our country, on us, and on Mr. McCain. Mrs. Palin is just a symptom of the deadly illness in Mr. McCain.

Posted by: Lucy2008 | September 19, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

dl has a prety good point about it being the quality of the experience that matters. I would imagine that some here (Palin supporters, namely) would argue that a person who ran a McDonalds for a month would have more "executive experience" than the candidates at the top of the ticket. And technically, they'd be right. They'd be fools if they thought it really mattered as a presidential qualification, but they'd be right.

Posted by: scrapster | September 19, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain wins the election and drops dead during his first year in office, someone not very experienced will become president. But the same is true if Barack Obama wins the election and doesn't drop dead during his first year in office.

Posted by: Peter from NH | September 19, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

feastor famine

did you mention in that posting that Palin increased the spending in Alaska by 60%

the big elephant in that room is...they get 80% of their state revenue from the oil companies.

She has a favorability rating because the oil companies are doing well at taking money from the rest of us and the fed gave her more money per capita from the rest of us...than any other governor in the union.

She should fit the long list of
"McCain and somebody" teams.

Mccain Keating deregulation -
a trillion dollars

Mccain Bush Iraq -
a trillion dollars

Mccain Gramm deregulation (again) -
a trillion dollars

Palin's increased spending budget should fit right in with Mccain's seven houses and philosophy of not just spending ...but WASTING other people's moneys.

Posted by: dl | September 19, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

It took Palin 6 years to get a two year degree. She is a moron. An ambitious moron, but a moron never the less.

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Aspergirl--

Its funny because Obama actually understands the subjects he's talking about, in great depth--and currently is giving a 40 minute stump speech from memory.

Maybe Palin will eventually gain a similar grasp of the issues over time, maybe not. Intellect does matter, and she hasn't proven the extent of hers yet.

Posted by: PS | September 19, 2008 2:22 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama fan and am quite sure he will be our next resident, but just suppose the voters take total leave of their senses.... Sarah Palin is nothing more than a small time crook. If one tenth of the accusations about her are true, and I am quite certain the "troopergate" one is, she will be removed from office or resign in disgrace. To date, and there are eye witnesses and records backing every single one of these, we have serial and multiple adultry, bribes, kickbacks, influence peddling, political malfeasance, abuse of her elected office, and witness tampering. She reminds me so much of Spiro Agnew, only a lot dumber, that it is frightening. Basically, I figure McCain will shed his mortal coils within the next couple of years and Palin will be consigned to the political ash heap and we get President Pelosi. Now, I happen to be a big fan of Nancy Pelosi and think she would make a fine President. I am just amazed, however, to see so many right wing nuts on the Pelosi bandwagon, agreeing with me.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 19, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I LIKE SARAH!!!!

Posted by: Tim Kelley, St. Paul, MN | September 19, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The MSM (Mass Media Mind Manipulators) are no better than sewer rats who scurried off to their dumpster diving to dig up garbage from DAY ONE on Sarah Palin. Their lowlife rodent hacker friends scramble to discredit Sarah Palin from DAY ONE. It is SO OBVIOUS..these people have NO SHAME. The American people see how they treat her and DO NOT LIKE THIS TYPE OF PARTISAN "JOURNALISM" These people are no better than the paparazzi Pack of Jackals...bent on destruction. SAD.

Posted by: Tim Kelley, St. Paul, MN | September 19, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Experience is only as good as the knowledge and judgement that it brings

the point isn't experience for experience's sake.

The point is to be able to answer questions.

Which McCain is good on one with no follow up.

Obama is good on a discussion and detail.

Biden is good...maybe too good at going on about the details.

and Palin

well Palin isn't good.

Period.

and that should scare the sh#$ out of all of you.

Posted by: dl | September 19, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin:

Raised taxes as the Gov. of Alaska

Misled America about the Bridge to Nowhere, in her first national speech (She fully supported it and only killed it after the funding was cut anyhow) and continues to do so as many as four times a day on the campaign stump. She never returned the funds for the Bridge to Nowhere.
A 2006 question to Governor Palin …”Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?”
Answer: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”
Wants to teach creationism in Science Class, subverting the US Constitution
Tried to get books banned at the local library
Fired her entire staff 10 days into term as mayor, for lack of loyalty
Used every available lever to get an enemy fired from his job, and is still lying about it. She originally said she would cooperate with the investigation into this matter. She now says she will no longer cooperate and calls the investigation a “political witch-hunt” despite the fact that it is a bi-partisan investigation voted on unanimously for review.
Put a gag order on her administration as mayor of a town of 6500
Milked the Federal Government for huge series of earmarks, by using Jack Abramoff lobbyists. The highest per capita earmarker in the nation: Palin (27 Million for a town of 6500)

Charged 52 earmarks valued at $256 million in her first year as Alaska Governor and 31 earmarks valued at $197 million this year. Considerably HIGHER than Barrack Obama’s Eamark list he released in March of 2008 in the spirit of transparency.

Billed taxpayers in Alaska $43,490 for staying in her own home.

Lied about a teleprompter malfunction during her acceptance speech.

Touts the need to address special needs children but only did so by stepping in at the last minute to support a bill that she was chided for NOT supporting previously despite her sister having a child with autism.
Doesn’t believe in Global Warming
Used Alaska First as her campaign slogan, which is the same one as her husband’s old party, the AIP, a secessionist organization she recorded a supportive piece for this year! She was also the keynote speaker for AIP on several occasions and her husband was an ardent supporter and member of AIP.

The AIP founder Joe Voglar once stated, “I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." and "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Wants to ban stem cell research
Is on the record stating the Iraq war ”Is a task from God.”

In July when interviewed about the possibility of being the VP she stated that she did not know what the VP did.

McCain has called Palin the “smartest person in the country” when it comes to energy policy (Which is absurd onto itself) When asked if US Companies would be guaranteed the oil from a new expansion of Alaskan drilling she responded:
Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first." Hugh? Is there an actual thought in there?

Left her town Mayoralty with a huge debt, having outspent all around in her (21 MILION in debt)
And, perhaps worst of all, Palin would insist that my 14 daughter carry and birth a rapist’s child
Hate speech? Lies? Ummmmm these are facts sourced and verified. Sorry it hurts your feelings

Does anyone else find it utterly amazing, mind numbing and surreal that the republicans are running on a change platform borrowed from Obama to storm their own castle??!! Repub chant...."We suck, We Suck but NOW Were Different." This cranky guy cant even operate the internet to read your opinion. But change is coming......ya right like what more trickle down economics, fear mongering, politicizing 9/11 and questioning patriotism? Privitizing anything and everything to line the pockets of your friends? Lying repeatedly to the American people, 3 TRILLION in debt and POOF! A new republican party!!!! transformed from the last eight years and catapulted into the future! Yippeee like Slim Pickens riding the bomb through the sky in Dr Strangelove. Hello Joe Mccarthy is that you? Mr. McCarthy would be proud. So would David Blaine. Abracadabra!!

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 19, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me folks for my opinion but I am serious when I offer the following assessment. I have no experience to be nothing more then I am - an architect. But look at my resume vs Palins' and ask yourself - are you serious when talking about someone who could hold the top office or the next to top office in the land.

I am sick and tired of this Palin and McCain foreign experience.

Let me explain in brief for there are thousands like me out there.

I am an architect. I studied in Venice, Italy for 1 school year as part of my studies. I travelled extensively in the Italian area during the school year. We studied extensive history to understand the architecture. To do this we travelled a lot in the country, north and south. Then most of us came early before school started and after school ended and travelled most of Europe. From Finland to Greece over 6 months.

Two years after graduation, I took a backpack and travelled for 2 1/2 years around the world - Italy, France, Spain, Morocco, Algeria, Greece & Cyprus (Turk & Greek War), Israel (Yom Kippur War), Turkey, Iran (under the Shah's rule), Afghanistan (before the Taliban and saw the great buddhas in Bandi-a-Mir), Pakistan & India (Kashmir War), Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and Hawaii. My longest stays were sometimes months or longer, especially France, India, Israel ( where I worked on a kibbutz while others went to fight) and Japan (where I taught English for 6 months). I was studying gardens as they relate to architecture.

After starting my own software company related to architecture, I travelled to Australia (7) times, England (months), Germany (3) & Italy (2). And I didn't mention all my airplane stops such as Iceland, Saigon (during Vietnam), etc.

I have a better understanding of the culture because I lived on "Main Street" and talked with the people.

So enough about Foreign Experience. I can tell you more about Iran under the Shah and Khomeini then either of these people can see out their window.

I and so many others average citizens can tell you more then they can. It is a joke!

If you like Palin, keep liking her, but send her back to Alaska and keep her focused on shooting Reindeer.


Posted by: jerry rubin | September 19, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl--

Its funny because Obama actually understands the subjects he's talking about, in great depth--and currently is giving a 40 minute stump speech from memory.

Maybe Palin will eventually gain a similar grasp of the issues over time, maybe not. Intellect does matter, and she hasn't proven the extent of hers yet.

Posted by: PS | September 19, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

37th&O writes
"One really can not believe that Sarah Paline is not prepared to be President - and at the same time be in favor of Obama - that is hypocritical. Sarah Palin has more experience and is by far more qualified than Obama to be President."

Doesn't that depend on how you value experience? The GOP wants us to think that 'executive' experience is more valuable than legislative. If that's true, Gov Palin should be at the top of the ticket, not Sen McCain. So clearly there's something more at work here. The trick is for the partisans to narrowly define experience such that their team is both suffieciently qualified and not overly experienced in Washington - while the other side is both too inexperienced and too tied to Washington. Frankly, its getting a bit ridiculous.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Leichtman,

That Hagel rumour holds water. I've got a friend in the know in Washington and O is specifically courting Hagel for Sec of Defense. It's why Hagel has been off the radar all summer.

I'm also hearing that Biden is actively promoting the idea. It's a great idea.

Posted by: joneshn | September 19, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If Palin is unqualified, what about Obama? She has more experience than he has, and he won't be "a heartbeat away"!!!!

Posted by: bozo | September 19, 2008 1:57 PM

Seriously? Have you EVER been to Alaska? Obama has more experience than Palin, any other Governor in the Lower 48 has more experience than her. Based on her ridiculous and plainly ignorant statements of late, you are seeing the "experience" she has. OF Course with McCain saying Spain is in Latin America, he is doing no better.

Palin saying she can see Russia from Alaska is like me saying I can see Cuba from Key West. But we aren't voting based on actual postions are we? We are all voting based on parties and it is the independents who truly matter. So here is hoping they at least a high School education and can pick out the obvious errors that the candidates make on both sides and come to a good conclusion.

I am voting based on what has happened the past 8 years. I dont know about you, but if a purple talking kangaroo came out for President and said he would start focusing on the US more and quit pissing our money away on countries that despise us, I would vote for him.

But to cast a vote for a party that has been responsible for a $3 a gallon raise in the past 8 years, lower wages for Americans, and making America hated amongst the world, that my friend would be truly irresponsible.

Posted by: Here we go again.... | September 19, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman writes
"Hagel might be a good choice for Sec of Defense if O should win. I expect his endorsement any time now."

Sen Hagel has said he will not be endorsing anyone in this election. You're likely correct he'd be on Obama's shortlist for Sec Def, should Obama win.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

One really can not believe that Sarah Paline is not prepared to be President - and at the same time be in favor of Obama - that is hypocritical. Sarah Palin has more experience and is by far more qualified than Obama to be President.


The democrats are really stuck - most who I have spoken to really do not want to confront the reality that Obama is not ready for the position and that his resume is horrible and without accomplishment outside of affirmative action programs.

Sarah Palin fought a massive fight against the entrenched interests in her State and won. She is the Governor of a State - Executive Experience that no one - McCain or Biden has.


oh I forgot, Obama has no executive experience either - Obama's only economic or business experience is buying cocaine while he was a "community organizer."

Obama has maxed out every affirmative action program he can find and he calls it a resume with potential -

I call it a complete joke.

I do not see one significant accomplishment on Obama's record.

The democrats who attempt to attack Sarah Palin on her resume seriously are not honest or realistic about Obama's resume.


And the number of conversations which have been cut short because the democrats do not want to confront this reality is staggering.

.

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | September 19, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

LIPSTICK VS LIP SERVICE -- HOW MCCAIN, OBAMA PAY WOMEN

:::: Obama's women earn 0.83/dollar compared to his men ::::
:::: McCain's women earn $1.04/dollar compared to his men ::::

How Team Obama Pays Women
By Deroy Murdock

‘Now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day’s work,” Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said August 28 in his convention acceptance speech. He told the crowd in Denver: “I want my daughters to have exactly the same opportunities as your sons.”

...

Obama’s commitment to federally mandated pay equity stretches from the Rockies to Wall Street and beyond. And yet it seems to have eluded his United States Senate office. Compensation figures for his legislative staff reveal that Obama pays women just 83 cents for every dollar his men make.

...Obama’s 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama’s average male employee earned $54,397. Obama’s 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.

Why this disparity? One reason may be the underrepresentation of women among Obama’s highest-compensated employees. Of Obama’s five best-paid advisors, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.

On average, Obama’s female staffers earn just 83 cents for every dollar his male staffers make. This figure certainly exceeds the 77-cent threshold that Obama’s campaign website condemns. However, 83 cents do not equal $1. In spite of this 17-cent gap between Obama’s rhetoric and reality, he chose to chide GOP presidential contender John McCain on this issue.

...McCain’s payment patterns are the stuff of feminist dreams.

McCain’s 17 male staffers split $916,914, thus averaging $53,936. His 25 female employees divided $1,396,958 and averaged $55,878.

On average, according to these data, women in John McCain’s office make $1.04 for every dollar a man makes. In fact, ceteris paribus, a typical female staffer could earn 21 cents more per dollar paid to her male counterpart — while adding $10,726 to her annual income — by leaving Barack Obama’s office and going to work for John McCain.

more at: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmEzMTZmNTk5MDI0NTZmNjUwMjllN2ZlZTc0MWFmYzY=

LIPSTICK VS. LIP SERVICE

MCCAIN PUT PALIN ON HIS TICKET, TO MAKE HISTORY
OBAMA PULLED OFF A LOT TO KEEP HILLARY OFF HIS

MCCAIN = LIPSTICK
OBAMA = LIP SERVICE

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

And in response to scrivener--Palin won't get dumped from the ticket unless scandal bites her. (She's the only reason anyone shows up for McCain rallies anymore!)

Plus, I think the Repubs are effectively pushing off the results of the troopergate investigation until after the election. (Remember--the Alaska legistlature can't find anyone in contempt for not testifying until they formally meet in January. If the investigators rush a report out before then--without having finished their work--it WILL look political.)What I have not heard anyone address yet are the potential outcomes of Troopergate. If guilty, could Palin be jailed, fined, removed from office? I'm surprised no one is reporting on this yet.

Posted by: scrapster | September 19, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

""She has an infectious personality and reads a TelePrompter well," said Davis to applause and laughter from some in the crowd."

This is funny when talking about Palin & not Obama?

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"Those who love her find her aw shucks demeanor and her non-Washington resume the perfect fit for a nation's capital that they believe has grown increasingly unresponsive to the needs of average Americans. ...Those who dislike her believe her to be fundamentally unfit to be vice president, ill-prepared -- from a resume and a knowledge standpoint -- to be a heartbeat away from the most powerful job in the world."

The same may be said of Obama, who has people who feel his support comprises a "personality cult" and others who see him as fundamentally unfit and unhealthy as a presidential choice.

At least the McCain supporters are going around accusing everyone who doesn't like Palin of not supporting her because they're "racist"!

IMO Obama has far less to offer as an executive and as someone who actually does things rather than talk, than Palin does. It's ludicrous how Obama supporters who feel so passionately about the little their candidate has to offer, fails to appreciate that Palin is a viable VP.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 19, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

seems the McCain Palin relationship will be as effective as those other "two-name" relationships John Mccain has had...

if it's like any of those it is worth a trillion dollars...

Just like the others…

(...cause whether it is a bail out or a war…seems like John McCain and fill-in-the-blank partner, is good at the spending thing…)

Mccain Keating deregulation - a trillion dollars
McCain Bush Iraq - a trillion dollars
Mccain Gramm deregulation (again ugh)- a trillion dollars

No wonder he bought seven houses with Cindy.

He’s good at spending other people’s money.

Throw these bums OUT!

Posted by: dl | September 19, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Biden, who took more Credit card money than anyone in congress , and Obama who is at the top of the money from Freddie and Fannie mae

they're the "change"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

This is pretty simple:

1) Why trust one of those hippie-liberal MSM professional journalists who might report something you didn't want to hear when you can just slap lipstick on a GOP operative and stick him in front of a camera and have him say what you need him to say?

2) Why trust one of those hippie-liberal main stream professional scientists who tell you the fundamental nature of the universe is as yet beyond our technological level of sophistication to understand when you can just roll out some Neo-Creationists who manage to give a nice tidy seven day explanation of the cosmos?

3) Why trust any of those hippie-liberal main stream professional CIA operatives or spy sats when you can just wheel in some loon from the American Enterprise Institute and have them say definitively that a targeted nation had weapons worth starting a war over?

4) Why trust any of those hippie-liberal main stream professional economists who tell us through the use of extensively vetted data that the Bush-McCain theories governing their economic policies have been a disaster in both the long and short term for our nation, when we can just keep saying the (undefined) funadamentals are strong?

GOP Political Theory: The best science fiction in town.

A rising tide lifts all ships... but the invisible hand of the market swamps an ungodly number of them in the process. Unfettered laissez-faire economic theory is one of the foundations of our modern global market, but we have never been willing to go with it 100% because it destroys lives. Laissez-faire creates money, and there is no question about that. But simple people in small towns go to the voting booth to stabilize their way of life. An economy based on most of the principals of laissez-faire with regulation thrown in to mitigate instability is what allows business and citizen to cohabitate in an open society like ours. This combination allows both innovation and protection. Going hardcore protectionist just stifles innovation (look at healthcare in social welfare countries), while lurching the other way in favor of hyperinnovation simply leads to social instability in favor of corporate profit (look at China). So there is my ten cents. Oh, and another thing...

Here's the central issue of the campaign: Media inattention to the real issues. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who only picked Palin because she appears young and pretty (to someone his age). You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife after she was disabled in a car wreck. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife for a super wealthy fembot. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who cheated on his wife after she waited for him while imprisoned in Vietnam.

While reading that, and getting fired up, McCain and Bush were shaking in their boots about this election. They've been called on the carpet as the pigs they are. They'll be out in the cold come November.

Pigs in a blanket.

Game over Repugnantcans. You're time here is done. Thanks for the memories, but it is time to step aside and let us adults take over and fix what you broke.

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 19, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it matters because it speaks more to the control McCain has over his own ticket and party. He did not get the running mate he wanted, he is not running the progressive maverick campaign he wanted, and his party's enthusiasm gap was closed by having Karl Rove literally walk into Minneapolis last month and say, "We don't like you, old man. Here's your new VP, now sit down and be quiet."

Posted by: joneshn | September 19, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

seems the McCain Palin relationship will be as effective as those other two name relationships John Mccain has had...

if it's like any of those it is worth a trillion dollars...

Just like the others…

...cause whether it is a bail out or a war…seems like John McCain (and fill in the blank partner) is good at the spending thing…

Mccain Keating deregulation - a trillion dollars
McCain Bush Iraq - a trillion dollars
Mccain Gramm deregulation (again ugh)- a trillion dollars

No wonder he bought seven houses with Cindy's money.

He’s good at spending other people’s money.

Throw these bums OUT!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER SPIRO AGNEW?

Am I the only one who sees what is going on here with Palin? We all know she has no qualifications and she was just picked as window dressing and as a stooge to say what ever they put in her mouth. No candidate in their right mind would really want her on their ticket. This is what I think will happen and may already be secretly in the plan.

If Mccain manages to get elected, they will get rid of Palin as soon as they can, using all of the scandal surrounding her as the reason. There is already information of drug use by her son and both daughters and Enquirer has eluded to something coming out about Palin and her husband are regular drug users. Once rid of her, Mcain then will put in Lieberman like he wanted to all along and that is how it will play out. What do you think, make sense?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Catherin Mc. That was the best post of the week. For the rest of you

This is pretty simple:

1) Why trust one of those hippie-liberal MSM professional journalists who might report something you didn't want to hear when you can just slap lipstick on a GOP operative and stick him in front of a camera and have him say what you need him to say?

2) Why trust one of those hippie-liberal main stream professional scientists who tell you the fundamental nature of the universe is as yet beyond our technological level of sophistication to understand when you can just roll out some Neo-Creationists who manage to give a nice tidy seven day explanation of the cosmos?

3) Why trust any of those hippie-liberal main stream professional CIA operatives or spy sats when you can just wheel in some loon from the American Enterprise Institute and have them say definitively that a targeted nation had weapons worth starting a war over?

4) Why trust any of those hippie-liberal main stream professional economists who tell us through the use of extensively vetted data that the Bush-McCain theories governing their economic policies have been a disaster in both the long and short term for our nation, when we can just keep saying the (undefined) funadamentals are strong?

GOP Political Theory: The best science fiction in town.

A rising tide lifts all ships... but the invisible hand of the market swamps an ungodly number of them in the process. Unfettered laissez-faire economic theory is one of the foundations of our modern global market, but we have never been willing to go with it 100% because it destroys lives. Laissez-faire creates money, and there is no question about that. But simple people in small towns go to the voting booth to stabilize their way of life. An economy based on most of the principals of laissez-faire with regulation thrown in to mitigate instability is what allows business and citizen to cohabitate in an open society like ours. This combination allows both innovation and protection. Going hardcore protectionist just stifles innovation (look at healthcare in social welfare countries), while lurching the other way in favor of hyperinnovation simply leads to social instability in favor of corporate profit (look at China). So there is my ten cents. Oh, and another thing...

Here's the central issue of the campaign: Media inattention to the real issues. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who only picked Palin because she appears young and pretty (to someone his age). You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife after she was disabled in a car wreck. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife for a super wealthy fembot. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who cheated on his wife after she waited for him while imprisoned in Vietnam.

While reading that, and getting fired up, McCain and Bush were shaking in their boots about this election. They've been called on the carpet as the pigs they are. They'll be out in the cold come November.

Pigs in a blanket.

Game over Repugnantcans. You're time here is done. Thanks for the memories, but it is time to step aside and let us adults take over and fix what you broke.

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 19, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"GOP Wilson added that Palin brings a "different" kind of experience to the national ticket than do the senators on the ballot; "She is a reformer and an outsider [who will bring] a breath of fresh air to Washington," said Wilson of Palin."

If republicans truly believe Palin "is a reformer and an outsider [who will bring] a breath of fresh air to Washington,"

Why don't they all quit and let new blood takeover the defunct GOP??

Posted by: JAC | September 19, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Just in case the issues don't work, there's still the National Enquirer, the
tabloid that everyone loves to hate but which 2.76 million people
nevertheless pay money for every week.

They've got another story today, and it paints a picture of the Palin family
as a pack of drug-addled Clampetts, out of control.


http://www.nationalenquirer.com/_palin_family_shockers_what_sarahs_re...


Excerpt:


The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was
addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting
it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to
Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were
powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The
ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.


THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs,
including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism
incident.


"I've partied with him (Track) for years," a source disclosed. "I've seen
him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed."


The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he'd use
his local celebrity to manipulate other guys "to get them to steal things he
wanted."


"He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do," the source divulged.
"You join the military."


Posted by: AlexP1 | September 19, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

What Palin's selection meant was the certainty that mud-slinging and personal attacks would take over every aspect of the race. No discussion on issues, just mindless chatter and incessant jabs from both sides.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: mpp | September 19, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Why does CC keep bringing up Palin, even when she's dropping in the polls, and off the radar screen for most of the media?

Apart from being a social/cultural phenomenon, Palin's political context can be summed up pretty quickly: 1. She energized the republican base and tightened-up the election--mostly because she brings charisma and celebrity that the GOP desperately needs, 2. She won't win or lose the election for McCain, and 3. Much of her own political future hinges on troopergate--both in the short and long- term. Unless that scandal brings her down, she's here to stay on the national scene.

Posted by: scrapster | September 19, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Hagel might be a good choice for Sec of Defense if O should win. I expect his endorsement any time now.


Reformer? How about Palin's $26 million dollar Road to No Where. How about that Gonzalez type firig of her subodinates. And if its country over party why is she not speakig out against her ethically challenged Senator Ted Stevens? And why didn't her office bother to check to see if they had right way before building a $20 million dollar hocky rink and wastig millions in litgation costs? Was this her heck of a job Brownie/horse trainer moment? Is this an example of how she would protect the federal treasury from waste, fraud and abuse?

Posted by: Leichtman | September 19, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Representative Davis as the Democratic Party candidate for Governor of Alabama in 2010, said as a serious statement, is a prefect testament to the fact that the Democratic party in the confederate and border states of this union, no longer exists.

The confederate states have in the aftermath of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, reverted to the one party authoritarian régimes that they were before that brief interregnum between 1976 and 1996 when white men with moderate to conservative political views and who were believers in a formal style of accommodation between the races could use bi-racial coalitions in the Democratic party to achieve state-wide electoral success in the confederate and border states.

The list of now defunct names of this type of moderate-conservative Democratic white male Senator is long, the were: Johnston, Breaux, Robb, Sasser, Gore, Graham, Hollings, Hunt, Edwards, Nunn, Huddleston, Ford, Fowler, and Heflin, now all gone. And all of them either defeated by a Republican challenger or replaced after their retirement by a Republican.

The last of the type is Richard Shelby of Alabama, who is still in the US senate because he saw the handwriting on the wall and switched political parties in 1995.

Posted by: rc115shepherd | September 19, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!

• As Palin's Scandals Simmer, Romney Waits in the Wings

• Is Obama Naively Ceding to the Bushies?

Getting that deja vu feeling... didn't we do this one yesterday, or was it the day before?

Palin's husband won't testify in a bipartisan investigation that the Gov earlier said she welcomed. She continues to display a breathtaking ignorance on matters of national and international affairs, and her hubris easily matches Obama's. She's now a punch line -- and when a politician becomes a laughing stock, his/her credibility is severely damaged.

When this writer predicted in a column a couple of weeks ago that Palin will withdraw from the race for family reasons, he was derided by right-leaning Palin apologists. But now that the polls have turned and the economy has overshadowed lipstick and pigs as the focus of media attention, I'll say it again -- events could force McCain to find some pretense that will result in a late-cycle replacement for Palin, someone skilled in money matters... someone like Mitt Romney.

Remember Geraldine Ferraro...

Dumping Palin could be the only way that McCain can regain the lead over Obama, who is skillfully managing the race's renewed focus on the economy -- traditionally, an advantage to the Dems.

The concern here is that Obama is ceding the issue to Paulson and Bernanke. Instead of urging the Democratic Congress to delay their adjournment and act as a full partner in forging a new economic policies, Obama seems to be saying that it's a Hank-and-Ben show for the short-term.

That was a strategic error. Instead, he should have said that the Dems must act as the vigilant watchdogs, and must demand a seat at the table right now. They do hold the majority in Congress; why are they content to take a back seat and leave the driving to the people they've blamed for tanking the economy in the first place?

Also, Obama should have signaled his concern about the root causes of the crisis... and whether an unquestioning rubber-stamp of the administration's emergency legislation will help further a hidden agenda that could endanger democracy:


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis

Posted by: scrivener | September 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

What (or who) goes up must come down. It happens to everyone.

Posted by: dognabbit | September 19, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Duh. Not exactly insightful analysis. Palin's one positive attribute is that the resurrected a moribund Republican Party and got them excited not just about this election, but their future as well.

That is it. She is not wooing Hillary voters in sufficient numbers to affect the election. She is not providing exceptional insight into foreign policy, energy policy, or economic policy. She is not holding herself accountable to her own ethical standards.

But she is getting the crazy religious nuts excited.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

bozo wrote: "If Palin is unqualified, what about Obama? She has more experience than he has, and he won't be "a heartbeat away"!!!!"

Bozo!

Posted by: Fate | September 19, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Once people learn about Palin's views on abortion, that all abortions including rape and incest, should be illegal, she will start to come down in the polls. But the GOP is good at hiding truth and preventing it from being exposed. They actually have turned it into an artform. So if they can keep a lid on what Palin is really about she might matter, but so far they have done a poor job of explaining why she is ready to lead, with the Daily Show catching Rove in a completely hypocritical statement, bashing the governor of VA for his inexperience to be a VP, only having been mayor or Richmond, VA and govenor of VA. You can see the obsurdity here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQK1al91drs
Why do we need comedy shows to point out what the MSM ignores?

Truth will bring down the GOP so they are fighting against it. But people, most people anyway, want the truth. If we get it the GOP is toast. If they keep a lid on truth the GOP will do well.

If you support truth, don't support the GOP.

Posted by: Fate | September 19, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

If Palin is unqualified, what about Obama? She has more experience than he has, and he won't be "a heartbeat away"!!!!

Posted by: bozo | September 19, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

OMG! SARAH PALIN LOOKED AT ME FOR, LIKE A NANOSECOND THE OTHER DAY AT THE RALLY….OMG, I THINK SHE WAVED AT ME TOO! SHE IS SOOOOO BEAUTIFUL AND I, GOD, I LOVE THOSE GLASSES SHE WEARS AND THE WAY SHE PULLS HER HAIR UP LIKE, “HEY, GIRL, NO BIG DEAL..” SHE WAS WITH SOME OLD GUY WITH THE TROPHY WIFE, BUT, I DON’T CARE! SHE IS SUCH A WONDERFUL ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN ACROSS THE PLANET AND THE UNIVERSE. DID YOU SEE THE PROFILE IN US OR PEOPLE? WOW, CAN YOU SAY “AMERICAN WOMAN?” I SWEAR IF CATIE COURICH DOESN’T ASK HER ABOUT TRRIG AND TRAK AND BOP AND THAT “FIRST HUNK,” JIMMY, I WILL JUST SCREAM! I CAN’T BELIEVE SHE ACTUALLY SAID TO THE CONGRESS THAT “IF WE WANTED TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE TO NOWHERE WE WOULD BUILD IT OURSELVES….WOW….THIS GAL IS TOUGH. SHE SAID SHE WOULD NUKE RUSSIA! AND YOU CAN SEE IT FROM ALASKA!! HOW COOL IS THAT. AND DID YOU SEE THE WAY SHE SLAMMED DOWN THAT COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THING…WOW AGAIN. AND SHE HAS STARED DOWN THE SOVIET UNION FOR, LIKE, 14 MONTHS. GOD…SHE IS AMAZING. AND, SPEAKING OF GOD, SHE IS, LIKE SO SMART TO KNOW WHAT GOD WANTS US TO DO LIKE FIGHT WARS AND BUILD PIPELINES AND STUFF. AND SIX COLLEGES IN SIX YEARS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO MOVE A LAVA LAMP AND THAT “HANG IN THERE, BABY, CAT POSTER….?”

Posted by: Losercuda | September 19, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Governor Barbie, for the sake of the country, should stay in Alaska.

From corruption to her inexperience (ya...we can see Russia from an island in the great state of Alaska), she is extremely unfit for national office. Somehow, however, a large portion of America likes her "aw, shucks"...I'm just a hockey mom, a reformer (NOT), and a pretty face for the Republican party image.

The Republican ticket is a farce, and one that Americans should think long and hard about before they cast their vote. If elected (pray NO~!) and when McCain is incapacitated in office (a definite possibility), America will have a serious problem with Palin taking the helm.

It should be a no-brainer for the average voter, but apparently there are a lot of racist Americans. If Barack Obama was 100% white, we wouldn't be having this problem. A shame, and potentially a tragedy for America and the world.

Pray that American voters are smarter than the Republicans - otherwise the entire planet is in peril.

Posted by: Captain John | September 19, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News!

WASHINGTON, DC -- Acting to avert a possible crisis in the U.S. presidential election, the media today announced a bailout of Sen John McCain's (R-AZ) campaign. Cable news commentators scrambled to prop up the Senator's sagging poll numbers Friday as the fast-disappearing dream of a nail-biting horse-race threatened to bring down America's entire punditry system.

A senior CNN political analyst speaking on condition of anonymity said that the collapse of McCain's campaign could prove disastrous to the pundit industry. "A horse-race is vital to our bottom line," he said. "Without neck-and-neck poll numbers we can't maintain an air of suspense right up to election day, and our ratings will suffer. I could be out of a job by this time next week."

"These are desperate times, and we're going to take unprecedented action to bring the polls back into line with our preferred projections," said another anonymous insider. "We'll be ignoring all of McCain's gaffes on foreign policy matters and covering up his tremendous flip-flops on the economy. Then we'll focus tightly on polls which show the closest possible race between the two candidates."

If the first part of the media's emergency bailout fails to turn things around industry insiders say they could resort to more drastic measures, such as taking more of Michelle Obama's comments out of context to gin up another false controversy about her patriotism, or creating additional rumors about Barack Obama's religion. A anonymous source at Fox News revealed, "At this point nothing is off the table."

Reaction to the announcement was mixed, with many members of the public remaining skeptical. "Isn't the media supposed to tell us what's actually happening in the world, as opposed to cherry-picking stories in order to create a narrative that boosts their ratings and advertising revenue?" asked Bob Jenkins, 52, a mechanic from Harrisburg, Penn.

Despite the media's best efforts, John McCain's campaign has teetered on the brink of collapse ever since he selected a clueless moosehunter as his running mate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7120032&mesg_id=7120032

Posted by: Catherine Mc. | September 19, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

This is the first thing I've heard about the Palin family I've liked. This is the first thing any of them have done or said that makes rational sense.

Here's a newsflash. Snorting fish-scale feels good. Snorting Oxy feels good. Snorting PowerpuffGirl (fish-scale and crushed Oxy) feels good. People don't ingest these drugs because they're evil and want to worship the devil and ruin their lives. People do 'em because the high is outstanding.

I still think McCain and Palin's fiscal, monetary, and foreign policies are right out of Stalin's USSR. But I have about a millimeter more respect for the Palins knowing the boy has good taste.

Posted by: DexterManley | September 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Straight Talk from Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE):

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6010340.html

"She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview published Thursday by the Omaha World-Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."

Could Palin lead the country if GOP presidential nominee John McCain could not?

"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

This is pretty simple:

1) Why trust one of those hippie-liberal MSM professional journalists who might report something you didn't want to hear when you can just slap lipstick on a GOP operative and stick him in front of a camera and have him say what you need him to say?

2) Why trust one of those hippie-liberal main stream professional scientists who tell you the fundamental nature of the universe is as yet beyond our technological level of sophistication to understand when you can just roll out some Neo-Creationists who manage to give a nice tidy seven day explanation of the cosmos?

3) Why trust any of those hippie-liberal main stream professional CIA operatives or spy sats when you can just wheel in some loon from the American Enterprise Institute and have them say definitively that a targeted nation had weapons worth starting a war over?

4) Why trust any of those hippie-liberal main stream professional economists who tell us through the use of extensively vetted data that the Bush-McCain theories governing their economic policies have been a disaster in both the long and short term for our nation, when we can just keep saying the (undefined) funadamentals are strong?

GOP Political Theory: The best science fiction in town.

A rising tide lifts all ships... but the invisible hand of the market swamps an ungodly number of them in the process. Unfettered laissez-faire economic theory is one of the foundations of our modern global market, but we have never been willing to go with it 100% because it destroys lives. Laissez-faire creates money, and there is no question about that. But simple people in small towns go to the voting booth to stabilize their way of life. An economy based on most of the principals of laissez-faire with regulation thrown in to mitigate instability is what allows business and citizen to cohabitate in an open society like ours. This combination allows both innovation and protection. Going hardcore protectionist just stifles innovation (look at healthcare in social welfare countries), while lurching the other way in favor of hyperinnovation simply leads to social instability in favor of corporate profit (look at China). So there is my ten cents. Oh, and another thing...

Here's the central issue of the campaign: Media inattention to the real issues. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who only picked Palin because she appears young and pretty (to someone his age). You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife after she was disabled in a car wreck. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who dumped his wife for a super wealthy fembot. You can put lipstick on a pig, but he's still a 72 year old pervert who cheated on his wife after she waited for him while imprisoned in Vietnam.

While reading that, and getting fired up, McCain and Bush were shaking in their boots about this election. They've been called on the carpet as the pigs they are. They'll be out in the cold come November.

Pigs in a blanket.

Game over Repugnantcans. You're time here is done. Thanks for the memories, but it is time to step aside and let us adults take over and fix what you broke.

Posted by: Nick Collins III | September 19, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I think Senator Hagel's assessment of Governor Palin is pretty on target.

Posted by: bsimon | September 19, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse


From Trailer trash to Washington. Only in America.

FROM THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT JOHN EDWARD'S, THEY NOW BRINGS YOU: "TRACK PALIN"
THE COKE HEAD WHO BEAT GOING TO JAIL BY GOING IN THE MILITARY AND HIS WONDERFUL PARENTS WHO RAISED SUCH A FINE FAMILY.


The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Hoyas, one of McCain's spokespeople (a Hoya alum) called an Alaska TV station anchor (whose wife is also a Hoya) at home to complain that her husband had smeared "two Hoyas" as liars. (The McCain lackey used to be a colleague of the TV anchor, and they consider each other friends)

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/mccain_press_aide_calls_alaska.php

I found this an interesting use of the good old boy(girl?) network by a campaign flack, in order to try and get better coverage.

As for Palin herself, the bloom is clearly off the rose as her favorables continue to drop...

Posted by: torridjoe | September 19, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

When the debate shifts to whether or not she's ready to lead the country, she begins to faulter.

Posted by: B | September 19, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

It's an interesting topic, but I doubt it will matter in the long run.

Her favorables seem to have peaked. I would guess that it's because she came onto a scene where nobody really knew anything about her. So, right from the start, about 25% of people would have a favorable opinion of her simply because she's a Republican, and 25% of people would have an unfavorable opinion of her for the exact same reason.

She's got an engaging personality. She's energetic and ambitious. Her biggest shortcoming, I would say, has to be that she appears to lack a broad, national view of issues. I don't doubt that she'll develop one, but her own words expose that particular weakness.

In the end, it'll be a wash. She was the perfect choice for the Rick Davis strategy of personality politics, but I don't see her as being much help if the issues drive this election, as they are right now.

Posted by: JamesCH | September 19, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

It seems like the Palin issue is one of the most polarizing of this election. People either seem to love her or hate her. My prediction is that this election will be one where (some) people are actually motivated by the bottom of the ticket to vote for or against the presidential candidate. We'll see which one prevails.

Posted by: Dustin Moody | September 19, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who says Condi Rice should be VP has absolutely zero credibility. She would have been a bad choice for a long list of reasons. Petraeus would have been slightly better, but still completely unsuitable as VP. Couldn't Obama have found a better surrogate than this Davis guy?

Posted by: Blarg | September 19, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Sarah will definitely matter.

She is one heartbeat away and McCain's dad died of a heart attack when he was 2 years younger than his son. Sarah could easily be the next President if McCain wins.

Her appeal is that she is devoid of any intellectual pretense, but her big negative is her antipathy to the traditional female agenda.

Ultimately she will be a major negative for McCain.

Posted by: fairfax3 | September 19, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the after the next 4 years there'll be a democrat

Posted by: Shawn HIldebrandt | September 19, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who doesn't think that McCain-Palin would be 4 more years of the same should look at the 2 Bush '04 campaign ads I posted today.

The GOP will say anything to win.

Those ads are here:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/bush-2004-political-ads-sound-familiar.html

As for Palin, as she said in Cedar Rapids, that it's the Palin-McCain administration she wants to see in January.

Freudian?

I have the video clip here:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-touts-palin-mccain-administration.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 19, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

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