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The Problems With the Ayers Attack



The McCain campaign has tapped vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin to lead the Obama-Ayers attack. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

John McCain's campaign released a nearly-two minute Web video this morning detailing the connections between Barack Obama and former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers, the latest sign that the campaign is creeping toward using the attack as part of a broader television campaign.

But, even if McCain does eventually incorporate Ayers into a paid media campaign -- as Politico's Mike Allen says he will -- there are several reasons to believe that it is not the silver bullet that some within the Republican Party believe it to be.

First and foremost, the economic crisis that has brought Wall Street and, very nearly, Congress, to its knees has focused voters' attention on their own finances in a way that has drowned out nearly other issue.

Given the enormity of the economic issue, it's impossible for McCain to "turn the page" (in the words of adviser Greg Strimple) on the economy. The economy is, without doubt, the central battleground of the race today and is almost certain to dominate the political dialogue over the next 26 days.

McCain must find a way to turn the issue of the economy from a net negative for his candidacy into -- at least -- a neutral force before moving on to attacks on Ayers or anything else. Until voters believe McCain understands their struggles and worries on the economy, it's likely they will dismiss as frivolous attacks on Obama's past relationships.

To their credit, the McCain campaign appears to be trying to turn the economic issue in their favor -- launching ads that paint Obama as a liberal who wants to spend $1 trillion more dollars on government programs in the midst of the financial crisis.

The other major problem with the Ayers attack is that the incidents in questions are not only decades old but also have already been prosecuted in the media during the Democratic primaries.

During a debate between Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton in Philadelphia on April 16, moderator George Stephanopoulos asked the Illinois senator about his ties to Ayers. Obama offered his much repeated phrase that Ayers is a "guy in my neighborhood"; Clinton then went on to hammer Obama for serving on a board with Ayers after Sept. 11, 2001 and prophetically added: "This is an issue that certainly the Republicans will be raising."

While Clinton was right about the fact that Ayers and his ties to Obama would resurface in a general election, the fact remains that since that debate way back in April there have been few serious revelations about the relationship between the two men that move the story forward in a significant way. (The New York Times published a piece on the relationship last week that concluded: "A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close.")

Without a smoking gun to link Ayers and Obama, it's much more difficult for the McCain campaign to simply point out the association between the two and assume that voters will instinctively be turned off from voting for the Illinois senator.

Recognizing that difficulty, the McCain campaign -- in their new web video and in a series of recent statements -- is focused not on the Obama-Ayers relationship per se but rather on Obama's unwillingness to acknowledge the depth of that relationship. It's the old "cover up is worse than the crime" strategy.

In the Web video, the narrator offers these crucial lines: "But Obama's friendship with terrorist Ayers isn't the issue. The issue is Barack Obama's judgment and candor."

Those words echoed what McCain told Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity during a recent sitdown when the subject of Ayers came up. "I don't care much about an old terrorist and his wife who are still unrepentant," said McCain. "It's not about them, it's about Senator Obama being candid and straightforward about their relationship."

McCain's campaign knows full well that it cannot win this election by simply running ads that make note of the fact that Obama and Ayers had a relationship -- the depth of which remains disputed. To make Ayers stick, it has to be part of a broader attack on Obama's judgment, candor and truthfulness. It may be part of the answer when trying to determine how McCain can come back but it is not the only answer.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 9, 2008; 11:45 AM ET
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I guess McCain/Palin, team McCain or any of the Republican Party have not heard about FactChecker.com, if they did they would know that publisher, Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican is the founder of the Annenberg Challenge. And, his widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign---maybe Obama should investigate McCain about taking contributions from Annenberg? McCain lies in an internet ad, that state that Obama and Ayers ran a "radical education foundation?" Really, why did McCain not also say in his ad that Republican Walter Annenberg, started the Annenberg Challenge with a $49 million grant and was supported by a Republican governer, and included in on its board prominent local civic leaders, including a republican from a republican administration, who also is a contributor to McCain's campaign! What a bunch of Republicans, involved in a "radical education foundation." Geez, think before you accuse because people can check and see for themselves McCain is lying again!

Posted by: agutierrez07 | October 11, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Looks like those pesky republican student interns have run out of work and have nothing to do but make bougs posts.

"Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008" : Thanks a good one LOL....

Posted by: HopingForABetterWorld | October 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

McKain did something far worse!!!!
He cheated on his 1st wife. His first wife was beautiful untill a horrible car accident. After the accident, instead of caring for her, he cheated on her with another beauty queen. Wow what a shallow guy. why is this not being put into the mainstream media, the way Ayers is?

Posted by: teseogoat | October 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey 37thandO -
Why are you so obsessed with drug use in Obamas past? I'm sure you were more than happy to pull the lever twice for GWB, also an admitted drug user and alcoholic.

The hypocricy coming from the right is just staggering. Their flexible morality easily allows them to overlook their own candidates skeletons and shortcomings and then point out identical shortcomings in their opponents and act as if they are gross offenses against humanity. For every Ayers there are probably 5 or more Keating's in McCain's past. His closet is just bursting with skeletons, which is appropriate since it is almost Halloween.

It's going to be soooo sweet listening to you gnash your teeth and cry like the little whiny spoiled tools that you are on Nov 5. It's over. Obama is going to win in a historic landslide. See you in 2016, elephant man.

Posted by: sobugged | October 10, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

With Obama in the White House, I would not like to live in Palin's Alaska.

Posted by: delfia31 | October 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Hello again dbw1:

From your last post: “…Now you are having to reach back....to Keating? Is that all you have left?” … I’m happy to respond.
- The other 4 (Democratic) Senators in the Keating 5 aren’t running for president – McCain is. Is it fair to ignore McCain’s part because “other Senators did it too”? As to McCain doing “nothing wrong” - that just doesn’t pass the smell test. The letters McCain wrote and the efforts he made to influence regulation on behalf of Keating are a matter of public record. Frankly I don’t know if the other senators got free private jet rides to resorts for their families or not, but I know that McCain got the royal Keating treatment. That doesn’t smell too good either. He knew it was wrong to try to stop the regulation efforts and the results of the lack of regulation are also a matter of record costing “you and me” billions in the form of the S&L bailout.

- Right now, 20 years after what McCain himself described as one of the worst moments in his life, he has a campaign that is run largely by current or former lobbyists. Most concerning is campaign manager Rick Davis who has been receiving $15k/month from Fannae Mae for doing what? – nothing really. So what could Fannae Mae expect from Davis if he is providing no particular service? The only thing I can think of is access to McCain. This is now, not 20 years ago. Does that seem like someone who learned from his mistakes?

As to Obama and Ayers – the only reason it’s a “firestorm” is because McCain/Palin are driving it in all their speeches through innuendo and suggestions – no substance. Comments like “Who is the real Barack Obama” add nothing to anyone’s knowledge of who he is. Its only purpose is to suggest that there is some kind of “mysterious secret” about him. -Hogwash. If they actually know something they should tell it or stop talking about it. The problem is that this type of innuendo can incite nutcases to go over the edge. If Palin and McCain are to show some decency and honor, they should rebuke people in the audience who have yelled out things like “kill him” and “he’s a terrorist” presumably talking about Obama. Instead they say nothing which seems to me to be pretty damn close to inciting violence. This is a scary thing.

Look at Obama’s history, He’s always looked for the middle ground. He never flies off the handle. He’s been campaigning for 20 months. What more public vetting could you want? He avoids nasty confrontation because he knows that you cannot negotiate with anyone when you publicly or confrontationally vilify them. Look at his demeanor in the debates. He always shows courtesy and respect for his opponent. He knows the difference between treating someone like an enemy and treating someone like an opponent with whom you can respectfully disagree.

So show me how Ayers has influenced Obama. There isn’t any way of doing that because all you can say is that he served with him on the board of an anti-poverty foundation (Woods Foundation), and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (Public School Reform Project) that also happened to have republican members, and whose founder (Anenberg) supports McCain. So does McCain's support by Annenberg, whose organization had Ayers on the board, mean that McCain is “palling around with known terrorists” through Anenberg?? Come on. There’s no “there” there.

But all this negative campaigning does eat up time McCain/Palin could be talking about the economy and other critical issues. The problem is their philosophical history (deregulation) was a key problem that caused our current economic crisis. Also, McCain’s idea to spend $300 Billion to buy up all those bad mortgages (buy high) and resell them (sell low) to save the banking institutions that got us into this mess sounds like yet another way to reward the bad behavior of greedy corporations and to hell with taxpayers – simply awful. At the risk of sounding cliched, we can do better - The democratic ticket is better.

Posted by: Looking4Transparency | October 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 10, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Watching the uniformed policeman standing on the stage at the McCain Florida rally spewing hatred to the crowd reminded me of the Brown Shirts that Hitler used to incite hatred toward the Jews. Much like those days in Germany, the McCain camp is using division and hatred in an attempt to achieve power. I hope to God the Jewish voters in Florida are watching this turn of events.

Posted by: fishingriver | October 10, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If the country thought OBAMA did not stand for change, why has he raised the most money ever??? ALmost a half Billion dollars..And he did it $5 bucks at a time..

Posted by: rlogan2 | October 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I think one way for McCain to really win the Hate vote is to bring in the Klan and Aryan Nation as openers for his campaign rallies. Talk about red meat for the malcontents.

Posted by: hayden1 | October 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Besides being a scumbag, McCain is also a hypocrite to try to play these association games. McCain celebrated his last birthday on board the yacht of man who conned people out of millions.

Posted by: TheDukeStir1 | October 10, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

One must be very rich or very stupid to vote for McCAin.

Posted by: klouth1 | October 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

With all that is going on in the WORLD, how can we sit back and allow the McCains and the Palins and the entire Republican Party to smear the character of another fellow American and not turn the mirror on themselves?

Are we so innocent that we have had no radical or crazy minded people in our lives that have said and done some stupid things--yet we still know of them?

It is so sad that we as a diverse American people have allowed these "so-called Christians" to excite people to the point of shouting out physical violence toward another to unite their failing party. If I'm not mistaken, anyone who excites and manipulate others to anger and violence is a TERRORIST. How shameful! We are living in the 21st century in the greatest diverse country in the entire world and we are allowing these TERRORISTS to steer us back to the 50s, 60s, and 70s in silencing our voices and filling the people's mind with hatred and prejudice. What's next--dogs, water hoses, crosses and people wearing sheets?

How hypcrital of the Republicans when they talk about God and country--yet the first thing out of their mouths is destroying that in which they did not make and killing those that they did not create. How dare you???

It is time to shut Ms. Palin up for good with the skeletons in her and her husband's closet and their on-going stuff. The republican party sniffed out this bimbo, trained her like a puppy dog and know they have let her loose just like her Pitbull with lipstick. What a sick joke. Ms. Palin and McCain need to sit down before someone ges hurt. And if that happens--America will have and see the greatest riot since the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Oh--I'm sorry, maybe someone needs to inform the republicans, Palin and McCain who that was.

Enough is enough!!

Posted by: dierdrejw | October 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

John McCain has been acting erratically ever since he selected Palin for his running mate. When the economy failed his behavior became bizarre. Stresses in the next few years are going to be extreme on the president. They will be fatal on someone in McCain's health and mental state. We will inherit his Palin fiasco if he is elected.
We need a cool-headed and logical leader who can handle the crisis.

Kipling said it best:

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!


He was talking about men like Obama.

Posted by: seemstome | October 10, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Ayers, Rezko and Wright are non issues to undecided voters watching their investments crumble, their jobs disappear.
McCain offers no hope, only a spending freeze for them.
That doesn't mean he will cut military spending for wars, that remains his top priority.
McCain continues his foul smears and attacks. In the meantime, all eyes are on the market free-fall as it plummets toward 8000.
No one wants to buy stock in McCain's lies.

Posted by: seemstome | October 10, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

When you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas - Harry S. Truman

Posted by: hucares | October 10, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Despite a coordinated move by central banks across the planet to cut interest rates, stock markets continued their downward spiral. . Some analysts are now suggesting the crisis could be even more severe than previously believed. Stocks plunged in the final minutes of trading today (10/09/08), sending the Dow down 678 points (7.33%) to their lowest level in more than five years. All indexes were also all down—NASDAQ fell ~5.5% and S&P losing 6 percent.

With the world markets plunging today, today can turnout to be the sharpest decline thus far. And you can bet on your life that McCain will want to still talk about Ayers and other manufactured BS.

If you look at the recessions in this country going back to the '40s, the stock market falls an average 34% before bottoming, and we are just past that point now. The only question: Will this be average or something worse?

Despite the economic downturn, records job loses, declining wages, high gas prices, long unemployment lines and bailouts, McCain wants to play manufactured “character” and “fear” ploy game! WTF! Does this guy even comprehend the acuteness of our present economic conditions? I very much doubt it. I guess when you are worth close to 200+ million dollars with multiple mansions in different time zones, you assume life is a beach. It is NOT. Real people are hurting—losing jobs, losing their homes, livelihood to a fault of their own. Candidates should talk about their plans on the economy. Voters want to hear their plans on job creation; voters want to know how they can send their kids to school, put food on the table, pay their electricity and heating bills, etc. McCain should stick to the issues.

Any reasonable person that is even considering for voting this babbling fool should have their heads examined. I am looking at my 401K quarterly statement and it has lost more than 1/3 of its value! And McCain wants to talk about what again? Anything but the economy!

Posted by: JHigginss | October 10, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If Ayers is relevant for Obama, how about McCains on going love affair with G Gordon Liddy?
www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column

Posted by: sitomer | October 10, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Ayers is a classic Hail Mary pass and it is not going to work. It will work with the base but they are already committed so what is the point. If that is all McCain-Palin has they are not going to be able to gain in the polls. There are a lot of McCain associations that do not reflect favorably on him other than the Keating association. Obama is trying to stay focused on the issues that are important to main street. Since McCain has nothing to offer in that regard he is trying to smear Obama rather than put the country first. Any of us who were around during the Vietnam War can remember that there were millions of people who were like Ayers in their thoughts if not their deeds. McCain is still understandably angry about Vietnam but that is no reason to fan the flames of hatred within the citizenship. Can you imagine this leadership style in charge of the country. And then introduce Palin who was so involved in trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired that she was trying to dictate his job assignments while serving as governor. Do you remember the "Travel-gate" media circus? If Palin is elected we will see even more of this kind of vindictive behavior that will distract us from the real issues of the day.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | October 10, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Looking4transparancy:
"McCain’s relationship with Keating was different from Obama’s with Frank– it is clear that McCain was Keating’s “man”. McCain repeatedly went to bat for Keating and the result was a real mess."

I'm dumbfounded at the desperation of Obama supporters to find something....anything....to deflect the growing wildfire that is the daily-evolving spin by Obama about his relationship with Bill Ayers. Now you are having to reach back....to Keating? Is that all you have left?

Let me help, since you obviously don't know the facts about Keating.
- McCain was one of the Keating 5.
- The other 4 were all Democrats.
- The Democrats held the majority in the Senate, and brought the five before the Ethics committee, which was controlled by Democrats, in widely-covered hearings.
- the Democrats own laywer said McCain and John Glenn (a Democrat) should be dismissed from the hearing for lack of evidence, as it was clear neither had done anything wrong.
- The Democrat leaders refused their attorney's suggestion, because that would have been bad for them politically that only Democrats (the remaining 3 other than McCain and Glenn) were being investigated, so they continued to force McCain to be part of their hearings.
- In the end, the DEMOCRAT led hearings declared McCain to be completely exonerated, but threw in a 'exercised poor judgment' slap just so it wasn't just Democrats that looked bad.

There you have it. Can you find anything other than a 20 year old Keating story to bash McCain for?

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I thought liberals were all intellectuals and well-reasoned individuals?

So, how do you explain the dim-witted posts by folks like 'DougH1' and 'Obadiah55' that litter this board?

C'mon, Democrats. You can do better than these clowns!

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Question: why did Obama say in a radio interview yesterday, when asked about Ayers, that sure, he knew Ayers and worked with him on many occassions, but "I thought he had been rehabilitated".

What??!! I thought you didn't know anything about his past when he was throwing you fundraisers and you were serving on education boards with him! But now you are saying you "thought he had been rehabilitated". Rehabbed from what? You didn't know anything about his past, right? So why would you have thought there was anything from which he would have been 'rehabilitated'?

I'm just really confused, so if any of you Obama followers could help me sort this out, that would be great. I'm just not sure which Obama lie to believe this morning:
- He didn't know Bill Ayers.
- He did know him, but didn't know anything about him.
- He did know him, knew about his past, but thought he had been "rehabilitated".

Or, maybe I should just wait until tomorrow, since the rate Obama is going his recollection of his relationship with a domestic terrorist may change.....again.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 10, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I think a more pertinent question is whether we want an ex believe in Alaskan secession and her husband, who is still a secessionist, and believes Alaska should leave the USA in the White house, or anywhere near it?
I think that is far more dangerous for our country than Mr Obama having known a rehabilitated terrorist.
How can we trust someone who sits down to dinner each evening with someone who doesn't believe in the United states?
Who wants Alaska to take its oil and gas and leave the USA?
Why is nobody worried about this?
Mc Cain has links to anti-semitic and racist groups, and to some very shady dealings with Iran?
So should the campaign really be focusing on sleaze when the Democrats are obviously biding there time before going after both of them with even more damaging claims.
We need clear ideas about the economy, not mud slinging and incitement to violence.

Posted by: AverageWoman | October 10, 2008 5:46 AM | Report abuse

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The Solution to the Economic Crisis is NOT to place a former cocaine user like Obama in charge of the World's Largest Economy.


Are you completely insane?


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 10, 2008 5:25 AM | Report abuse

How about Obama deliver some candor and truthfulness regarding his ad-hoc foray into foreign policy in Kenya?

Posted by: MrsJAS | October 10, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

McCain's performing a service to the public that most associated with the press didn't do. McCain and Palin take this stuff seriously, like I and millions of others do.

Many who should have taken these things seriously, a long time ago, didn't---including and especially far too many in the Republican Party, who were apparently too busy mulligrubbing and pontificating about their copyrighted versions of "conservatism" and worrying about their local election favorites and scheming for "next time" and jockeying for pundit positions and collaborating with Obama, Inc. to get over themselves and consider that a candidate who chose to associate with individuals like Bill "kill your parents" Ayers and Bernadine "Wild!" Dohrn (and that's just the tip of the iceburg) is worth becoming motivated about---not to "win," but to safeguard the future of the country.

Posted by: MrsJAS | October 10, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

JDP2 you are right to be confused. Not stupid as you can see the essence of this election. If you add criminal (see my earlier post) to Obama's socialist and inexperienced background. It is kind of hard to pull the lever.

That leaves McCain who does lie as most people will do in their lifetime (except for my Grandmother, God bless her). I don't think he is spineless as he is the only one running that actually served his country. He has shown some common sense opposing Bush and has even teamed up with democrats on occaision.

If you go with the god given instincts you have your decision will be more clear.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 10, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is... the nation is basically split. That means 50% of the nation is intelligent, the other 50% is just plain stupid. Or... maybe we're all stupid. Maybe we're all screwed.

How'd we get here? Our choices are Obama or McCain?

Obama is inexperienced, a socialist and a liar. McCain is indecisive, spineless and also a liar.

God help us.

Posted by: JPD2 | October 10, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

The Obama crowd is growing increasingly nervous. Can you smell it? It is another election blown by socialist left wing people who have the morals that would embarrass forest dwelling apes. No one believes Obama's rant anymore..it is tired and old from the 30s when apeasement was fashionable.

Keep in mind this guy OBAMA is likely a crook who has trained numerous Acorn crooks that are involved in massive voter fraud as you read this. The vote fraud is just the icing on the Obama cake.

"Cooking the books" is criminal whether you are a politician or so called business executive. These people knew that really bad uncollectible loans were being made and that all accepted lending standards were being ignored. If you serve the people or corporate investors your duty is to never let these things happen.

The financial crash is traceable to ACORN/Fannie/Freddie and techniques they employed to harass and threaten banks into making the millions of unqualified bad mortgage loans. They had the active help and support of Democrats in congress to block any reform or attempts to stop the lending carnage. These guys always played the race card in the congress. And they played the ultimate card in Obama. (Why who would have the audacity to question the character of the nominee...it must be a right wing attack by crazed neocons led by Bush)

It was not a surprise to Barney Frank or Obama that we had the chickens come home to roost. The lending ripoff was premeditated. The timing and the unilateral bashing of Bush have allowed them to become more brazen each day that passes. They really think taxpayers are stupid enough to sit still while several trillion dollars of retirement savings is lost...just so these a--holes can win an election.

Obama never answers any question directly..he recites the well rehearsed talking points of Soros,& company. Party slogans that Putin and the old KGB must admire. But, no one has a honest account of his time in New York, his real connections to the radicals in Chicago, Texas and Saudi Arabia.

They were on the verge of success in their premeditated attack on the economy to gain votes via the mortgage crash and/or the voter fraud.. It is worse than unethical. It is criminal and on a scale so large that honest people can not even imagine it happening in the first place.

The deliberate subversion of our financial system by Obama, Frank, and executives from Fannie and Freddie as well as the greedy CEOs from Wall Street who joined in the party must be investigated by the FBI and every one of them prosecuted and brought to justice.

They have been stealing from taxpayers with the help of democrats like Frank, Reid, and Obama. They were even slipped into the first bailout to the tune of a half billion dollars. Thank god house Republicans caught this latest theft before it happened! Now the election of the fraud Obama must not come to pass

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 10, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Polls are turning back towards McCain, might be slight, but it's moving.

People are doubting the empty suit, as they should!

Posted by: oscar1234 | October 10, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

after a week of bashing Obama, the polls show the strongest support EVER for Obama. Hope this shows the haters and the mob rallies what the MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY WANT.... We want a better economy, affordable healthcare, security, peace and international respect and partnership. We do NOT want nazi-like rallies, bigotry, hatred, intimidation, fear and hopelessness from mccain. He is literally trying to scare the media now....to force them to do things his way. His maniac followers and zealots are now insinuated violence to the MEDIA....oh that sure is smart, you old erratic fool.

Obama is holding steady because we SAW with our own eyes at the debates the seething anger of mccain and the bizarre out of touch behavior of his. The polls show it
Gallup Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 2761 RV 52 41 Obama +11
Rasmussen Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 3000 LV 50 45 Obama +5
Hotline/FD Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 852 LV 47 41 Obama +6

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Once again my faith in the intelligence of the American public has been restored, as people have begun to open their eyes and question things on both sides of the aisle. For the most part these comments have been fact based, and checked into when speaking of Mr. Obama and his life untill now. Both Obama and McCain have met and talked to, and yes, even perhaps worked with people of questionable backgrounds, but both have not been equally castigated for their, however brief associations with said people.

Mr. McCain's questionable associations were when he was an adult, and when he knew that what he was doing would help him climb the ladder of success. His association with the "Keating Five", his chummieness with G. Gordon Libby, and David Ifshin (a '60's radical), all point to some skeletons in his closet too. Letting his running mate, Sarah Palin, sling most of the mud, to keep his hands less dirty, is a pretty low tactic/strategy also when you come right down to it.

Thank heavens the sparkle of caribou Barbie has worn off considerably of late, since she was really beginning to grate on peoples eyes and ears. She is not, nor will she ever be a good candidate to help run this country, or God Forbid run it. I still can't believe that she was tossed into the Republican mix, and was thought to be an asset to them. When McCain loses in November, Sarah Palin will be the first to be thrown to the wolves, (a fitting exit for her, as she likes killing wolves), the Republicans will lay all the blame on her.

In case anyone might be interested, I am one of those voters whom the McPain ticket thought they had in the bag. I am an Independent in my viewpoints, but am registered as a Republican, although I haven't voted for but one Rebublican in years. This year I was so irritated, then aggravated by the Republican party's total disrespect for the American public, that I debated changing my affiliation officially. The more I thought about it, the more I figured, "why not let the Pubbies" continue to think they had one more sure bet, and be one more person to quietly vote for the right candidate Mr. Obama, come Nov.

Oh, in case anyone wants to sling the "oh that's just another liberal" thought out there, please be aware I am a Born Again Chritian for more years than many have been on this earth. Just because Sarah Palin is a Born Again, does not make her any more palatable to those of us who are also.

Posted by: wendyo1 | October 9, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

HEY, truly,.... the mccain people hope you will keep arguing about ayers etc....

but take a moment and look at the news.

The angry mob is taking over the GOP rallies. They are menacing and trying to intimidate the media. This is sick and wrong and UNAMERICAN.

Don't let them do this. We are not victims and will not be strong armed into some kind of sick mindthink. Frightening. What's next, mccain---hurt a media rep? rough them up so they will be afraid of you? this is NOT exaggeration....go read the articles about the angry hateful bigots at the mccain rallies.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I ask once again, how many planes of ours did this mavericky bufoon crash?

Posted by: 2Funny | October 9, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Is this Ayers thing part of McCains's new SURGE srategy? Hey, I know, although I am not in default and currently having no trouble paying , offer to have the government take over my home equity loan!! Maybe, just maybe, I will vote for you McCain.NOT!!!!

Posted by: 2Funny | October 9, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Dear DBW1,

Regarding the connection between the Adler Planetarium earmark request and Obama's fundraising:
The Chairman of Board of Trustees for the Adler Planetarium is a guy named Frank Clark. His main gig is CEO of Exelon Electric - a big electric power company. Individually he contributed $2300 directly to Obama and $28,500 to the Democratic Campaign Victory fund - both legal. He also raised more than $200,000 for Obama -clearly one of Obama’s largest contributors.

Clark was no doubt instrumental in getting Obama to request $3 million for the Planetarium. With that large a contribution it seems likely that Clark would be able to get the senator's ear. So what was the quid pro quo here? The planetarium would have been a beneficiary, but the earmark request was rejected by congress. And nobody is accusing Obama of being involved in anything beyond the Planetarium request.

But again, the important question is: Was a policy decision or an issue of governance influenced by Clark through Obama? I don’t believe so. Planetariums are excellent teaching tools. Many thousands of students visit Adler Planetarium. They are also very expensive to maintain – not at all the overhead projector mentioned by McCain. I have little doubt this is something the museum needs. $3 Million to refurbish the dome and the theatre is actually less than what it will likely cost. (Adler wanted $10 million to repair the 76 year old structure – It’s big) At the end of the day neither Frank nor the Adler Planetarium were beneficiaries of the earmark request, and no changes in public policy or regulations were attempted on Frank's behalf by Obama.

Earmarks are not policies, and although they are not scrutinized the way the bills they are attached to are, many of them actually are worthwhile. Looking through lists of earmarks I see a lot of railroad bridge repairs, educational institution funding, research funding, infrastructure repair, etc. Not all are worthwhile, but labeling them all as “pork” paints with a too broad brush. It would certainly be better if all the investments were scrutinized the way a bill is, but at this time, that’s the way congress works.

But McCain’s relationship with Charles Keating was different from Obama’s with Frank– it is clear that McCain was Keating’s “man”. McCain repeatedly went to bat for Keating and the result was a real mess. (to be kind) and impacted the American economy in a far worse way than Obama’s rejected earmark request. BTW: McCain had an equivalent contribution of $300,000 from Merrill Lynch before they got absorbed into Bank of America. Obama has raised his money from roughly 2,000,000 contributors. McCain from roughly 600,000. Clearly McCain has the larger individual contributors, and Obama has more but smaller contributors.

Posted by: Looking4Transparency | October 9, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Read the news tonight....mccain and palin are stirring up hate and anger at their rallies....racism and bigotry...even trying to frighten the media.

Is this what mccain envisions for our country? Klan type behavior? Angry seething mobs and violence?

Be aware of this. They want us to be scared and fearful....again. Hey, mccain, you will NOT beat us into submission with your terrible anger and temper. Yes, you are losing....wonder why....

You are not going to make us cower and scurry for cover. You are showing your true colors....like George Wallace and almost nazi-esque...you are proving by your intimidation and anger-baiting that you are NOT FIT TO LEAD.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Before these hate mongers get further along, we should check back in US history, where character assasination, suspicion by association, etc. was thrust on the scene.

It was another Republican; Joe McCarthy.

If McCain/Palin's behavior is currently moving in the direction of hate and terror, and suspiciaon now, imagine what this would look like if he was president.

Move over Hitler, McCain is taking over.

Posted by: akousen | October 9, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

37andOstreet wrote:

"The Solution to the Economic Crisis is NOT to place a former cocaine user in charge of thw World's Largest Economy.

Are you completely insane?"

Is there something about cocaine so that its past use disqualifies one from anything? Does 37th assert that central nervous system stimulants make one stupid? What if Obama had done methamphetamines instead, would that have been okay? The Air Force gives amphetamines to air crews on long-distance missions in order to keep them sharp and alert, by the way. I suspect that 37th is another garden-variety anti-drug fanatic who uses the drug war to smear Obama with yet another lie. It's only appropriate since the drug war itself is based on lies and corruption and has, largely thanks to the Republicans, propelled the U.S. to become the biggest incarcerator in the world with more people in prison, both by percentage and numbers, than *any other* country on the planet. Another sh!tty Republican product to go along with their foreign wars and ruined domestic economy. What a bunch of fecking b@stards.

Posted by: hfisher1 | October 9, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

McShame and Palin pointing fingers.... not only do the First Dude and Palin have Troopergate hovering over them (abuse of power), the relationship of THE First Dude and Palin have with the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP):
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Joe Vogler-founder of the AIP. check this YouTube address of Palin addressing the the AIP: http://www.akip.org/conv08.html

What about McShame and the Keating 5, McShame friendship with the Annenbergs (playing with McShames ridiculous association game): the link between Obama and Ayers planning to "terrorize" some Midwest inner city neighborhood with the opportunities that every American should enjoy .

Finally (but not the end): THE CONTRAS DEBACLE

"WASHINGTON — Republican Sen. John McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America in the 1980s. McCain's service on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, "an ultraconservative right-wing group."

AND MORE TO DIG UP...

Posted by: LMM48 | October 9, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

You know, its funny. Generally, I vote Democrat. Only once have I voted Republican in a federal election (George, Sr.) This election I considered that if the Republican's (even in the midst of two wars, one of which I have no clue as to its purpose) can put forth a candidate I can at least tolerate (Romney for example) I would vote Republican. The Democrats in my estimation just wasn't putting forth a viable candidate. I wasn't sure of McCain, but I believed in his integrity and strength of character. The only thing I didn't like about McCain was his apparent willingness to head straight into war with Iran. But lately, he has reached an all time low and it makes me sad. A man who seemed truly sincere with a standard of ethics above most around him, has stooped to play in the mud. I'm sorry to see and hear the man McCain has become in his quest to conquere that White House-windmill.

And Palin???? I don't fault Palin, I fault Alaskans for "that one."

Posted by: jytype616 | October 9, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza should be writing about Palin's strong connection to terrorists in the Alaskan Independence Party, but he is too busy defending his hero McCain. He won't acknowledge that McCain's basic problem is his siamese-twin connection to George Bush. McCain's choice of Palin is the clearest sign of his inability to cut himself free of Bush, who now virtually controls the McCain campaign through surrogates.

Posted by: jchaney | October 9, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

When do we start to discuss Todd Palin's membership in the Alaska Independance Party. They wanted to suceed from the Union. This is a party whose founder said he would never be buried under "that damned [American] flag. He was killed buying plastic explosives. Sara Palin, as governor gave an inspiring speech to this group in 2006! No need to go back 40 years on her!!

Posted by: paratroopercaptain | October 9, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

InSearchofTruth? Yeah right.

Well how about we get Palin to answer about her ties to a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party. How about we wait and see the results of the legislative investigative report on Troopergate tomorrow. Let's see if McCain releases his tax filings prior to 2006 and if he declared any gambling winnings.

How about McCain coming clean about Davis and Buse and their Fannie and Freddie lobbying. How about the man they now slam in the latest ad, Daley former Clinton Commerce secretary who McCain lauded and now is using as an attack on Obama and his observation about when he went on to SBC having to hire Davis to gain access to McCain. How about McCain's ties to lobbyist for Indian gambling and Las Vegas?

You know, the thing McCain and his trolls don't seem to understand is these attacks do them little good. How it affects me is cause someone who has never previously directly contributed to a political campaign, make another donation to the Obama-Biden campaign because I am so pissed of by the nonsense. You see I AM actually an independent voter, the ones Palin-McCain need but the tenor of the Palin-McCain campaign is so vile and disgusting there is no way I would ever vote for that ticket now. Me? I'm voting for "that one".

One of you trolls had better tell your bosses it isn't playing well in the places which are hurting. Bash them on issues if you want, but the personal attacks are driving people away.

Posted by: wes1155 | October 9, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I think McBush's exposing of Obama's associations are working too.

He's got Obama right where he wants him.

McSame is on the ground with grabbing Obama's knee with his stomach and beating the crap out of Obama's fists with his face.

Once Obama's fists are full of McCain's blood, he will have evidence he needs to have Obama arrested thus completing his self-sacrificing master plan.

McSame's new slogan - "Trust me, I supported George W. Bush twice."

Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

One of the beautiful things about the Internet is the ability to get an unfiltered view of any issue. So when I first heard about Bill Ayers, i googled his name and got the Winkipedia version of who this guy was. After reading it and other sources, I concluded this was a non issue. For the Republicans to use this issue against Obama in the way they have done, they have driven this independent from any consideration of John McCain as President. We do not need to elect a man to the Presidency who has shown no ability to treat with dignity a man who is in opposition to him. How can such a man negotiate effectively with the opposition such as Muslims, Russians, the Chinese, etc. John Mc Cain is not a cool dude.

Posted by: Obadiah55 | October 9, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh no!

An 8 year old Obama was there with Ayers when he bombed the bathroom.

Obama was uncharacteristically affected by Nixon's bombing of Cambodia and decided to go radical.

The Repugnicants have exposed this child terrorist in the nick of time.


Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I think it is good that McCain & Palin are both bringing up Barack Obama's involvement with the domestic terrorist, William Ayers. They need to drive home the fact that Obama has lied about his involvement with Mr. Ayers in addition to clearly explaining a plan to improve our economy and bring back good paying jobs to Americans. Perhaps, McCain should consider pledging to enforce our trade agreements and even consider re-working those agreements that are unfair to the American people. He should also clearly explain his plan to help keep Americans in their homes.

In addition to William Ayers, McCain and Palin need to continue to bring up Obama's other questionable associations with the likes of Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and ACORN. Also, they should explain how Obama and the Democrats had a large hand in creating the economic crisis we are in today with the Democrats refusal to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

If Obama and the Democrats are willing to lie about these issues and associations, then Obama is willing to lie and do anything to become President.

Finally, McCain and Palin need to point out the benefits of divided government because absolute power breeds absolute corruption. Just as Republicans were corrupted when they controlled both the White House and Congress, so too will the Democrats become more corrupt if they win both Congress and the White House. To strengthen this argument, needs to provide examples during Reagan's and Clinton's presidential administrations, they were forced to compromise with the other party who controlled Congress at the time and list specific good pieces of legislation that were compromised and passed as a result.

Here's a good article that addresses Obama's questionable associations and his bad judgment for having those questionable associations and how Obama has benefited from those associations:

http://thehill.com/dick-morris/the-obama-ayers-connection-2008-10-07.html

Posted by: InSearchofTruth | October 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

If you want to talk about guilt by association, let's talk about Bush's positions supported by John McCain. Since Bush has been president, McCain very seldomly voted against the policies wanted by Bush and Cheney. That is true association. The Republicans have supported a free economy with little government interaction with the exception of tax cuts and tax breaks for the rich and the results are obvious. It is time for the smoke screens to stop and start telling the trith and run on your record and your plans, not false or at the very least loose connections.

Posted by: sdianand | October 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I think it is good that McCain & Palin are both bringing up Barack Obama's involvement with the domestic terrorist, William Ayers. They need to drive home the fact that Obama has lied about his involvement with Mr. Ayers in addition to clearly explaining a plan to improve our economy and bring back good paying jobs to Americans. Perhaps, McCain should consider pledging to enforce our trade agreements and even consider re-working those agreements that are unfair to the American people. He should also clearly explain his plan to help keep Americans in their homes.

In addition to William Ayers, McCain and Palin need to continue to bring up Obama's other questionable associations with the likes of Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and ACORN. Also, they should explain how Obama and the Democrats had a large hand in creating the economic crisis we are in today with the Democrats refusal to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

If Obama and the Democrats are willing to lie about these issues and associations, then Obama is willing to lie and do anything to become President.

Finally, McCain and Palin need to point out the benefits of divided government because absolute power breeds absolute corruption. Just as Republicans were corrupted when they controlled both the White House and Congress, so too will the Democrats become more corrupt if they win both Congress and the White House. To strengthen this argument, needs to provide examples during Reagan's and Clinton's presidential administrations, they were forced to compromise with the other party who controlled Congress at the time and list specific good pieces of legislation that were compromised and passed as a result.

Posted by: InSearchofTruth | October 9, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse


As a member of long standing of the GREEN PARTY, may I please request that people STOP calling the Democrats things like "radicals" or "far leftists" or "socialists" when they are nothing of the sort?? You want radicals and socialists, there are PLENTY around for you to fulminate at, and the Dems AIN'T THEM. Please check out Cynthia McKinney's website, or Ralph Nader's -- now those are some RADICALS! And we're PROUD OF IT!

Posted by: smendler | October 9, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Having nothing else to run on, the McCain/Palin ticket has resorted to the crudest distortions. They say that Obama's character is deficient and these "guilt by association"(Ayers, Wright, Rezko) charges should be compel us to vote for them instead of Obama.

Nice try, but no cigar . . . Here's why:
1) Those "guilt by association" charges have been hashed and rehashed, and puked up yet again. Nothing new, and most importantly, nothing significant and nothing relevant to the issues we face. Obama is, like the rest of us, a flawed, less-than-perfect human specimen. Furthermore, he's a politician, hardly a qualification for sainthood. But there is insufficient substance to any of the charges to disqualify him.
2) One could reasonably drag into the equation some of the dubious and less-than-admirable parts of the McCain and Palin human stories. More to the point might be Palin's egregious under-qualification. But let's not drag these in here--most Americans think we should be thinking about more important things.
3) Whatever doubts McCain and Palin think they can raise about Obama pale into insignificance compared to the big problems our country faces.
3) McCain and Palin can't overcome two enormous facts--they are Republicans, and the entire Republican philosophy has been exposed as bankrupt; --they aren't sufficiently different from Bush by most objective measures, and certainly far closer to Bush than either Obama than Biden.
4) The country is FINALLY beginning to understand that you can't get a different result if you keep on trying the same damned thing.

Let's throw the bums out.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | October 9, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I will tel you this. Republicans give me a headache! This certainly explains why we are in this mess. We trusted our country in the hands of these low achievers! If ever there was a party of Stupidty - this is it.

There is no way we will put these evil, nasty, underachievers back in our White House! NOT THIS TIME. THE STUPIDITY OF THESE PEOPLE IS ASTOUNDING!

Posted by: Julescator | October 9, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

brucet:
"What delicious irony! Palin is accusing Obama of "palling around with terrorists," while her running mate used to drop bombs on people from a jet."

Do liberals really have that hard of a time differentiating between soldiers and terrorists? Can your simple minds not process the concept of what a terrorist is?

But what am I saying....if you put a terrorist like Bill Ayers on the same level as an American soldier like John McCain, asking you to process a simple thought is probably setting the bar out of reach.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:
You have just proved what a patriotic American you are NOT! You would work with and be friends, (yes he was friends) with a man or woman who has bombed our government offices and was very unhappy that he didn't do much more damage. It doesn't matter that Obama was 8 years old when this happened, IT DID HAPPEN! He knew that when he was introduced to Ayers, yet he became a friend and worked together for several months. Obama said he would denounce what he did, but he did go along working with him. Just as he has with the Rev. Wright. By the way, he did not disown Rev. Wright, he said he would just as soon disown his own people. I wonder what people he was referring to? I still have not heard a REAL REASON why anyone wants to vote for him OR what has he done to deserve this office. It has been asked several times to people on TV, BUT no one can come up with an answer.

Posted by: smaggie | October 9, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse
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Hey low information voter, while you have some facts right, most of them are jumbled up and twisted. So, let me untie a few of those crazy knots of yours.

1. Obama did not know that Ayers had been a domestic terrorist when he met him. He is not a friend of Ayers and other than working on a board, has NO ties to him.

He was brought to Ayvers home for a coffee that was being held for his predecessor in the State Senate, and SHE wanted to introduce Obama to a few of HER backers from the neighborhood, note these were not OBAMA's backers but HERS. Unless you are up on 1960's radical politics, which most of those from my generation (i.e. Obama's generation) are not, you would not have a clue what this guy did in the past. He was named Chicago's Citizen of the Year for all the charity work that he had done for education and children. But I am sure that when he introduces himself, he announces all the domestic terrorism he was involved in the 60's right up front. "Hi, I'm Bill Ayers, and I used to blow up government buildings, want to be my friend?" That doesn't make any sense what so ever. Perspective, please.

2. Domestic Terrorist, yes, he bombed three building that I can cite from news articles: White House, Pentagon and a judge's house. One person was injured in all of this, and it was a member of the Weathermen Group. (This is just what I can find.) Also, he turned himself in. So, someone decided either not to indite him for some reason or he escaped. Since the FBI are not breaking down his door and I think EVERYONE in the country knows which neighborhood in Chicago he lives in by now, obviously the authorities do not think the country or Chicago is in any danger from this man.

3. Other than the coffee, they served on a board together that was run by the Annenberg Foundation. Yes, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION. That would be the same Annenberg that was best friends with Ronald Reagan and a dyed red Republican through and through. So, if we are going to play this completely pathetic game of guilt by association, then McCain is being supported by a terrorist-supporter, and since Annenberg has been a HUGE supporter of the GOP for decades, then the GOP has not only accepted money from a terrorist sympathizer, but has closer ties to this terrorist than Obama. Afterall, Obama didn't pick Ayers to be on the board, that would have been the Annenberg Foundation.

4. Your quote about "disown his own people" is incorrect. Obama never said that. This is what he said, directly from the text of his speech:

"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother..."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/obama.transcript/index.html

So the reason no one can answer your question is because you are asking about something that he never said.

5. He did disown Rev. Wright, in what looked like probably the most painful experience of this nation political career. He did disown him. Below is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P5NDO2DXyU

6. He and Ayers are not friends. They worked on a board together for a foundation that helps promote education for low income kids in Chicago.

There you have it all untied. You want to continue to hate Obama because some guy did something 40 years ago, when Obama was 8 and has absolutely no baring on his life, his morals, his principles, etc. Go ahead, but by that logic, then you have to also hate the GOP and John McCain. It might be best to stand back a second, drop the emotions and really look at how you are being manipulated to vote through fear of a phantom instead of what is in your best interests. I don't think that is very patriotic.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

It appears to me that people are wasting a lot of time and energy trying to convince YOU to vote or not vote for a candidate.

At this late date I think people have made up their minds. If Ayers (40 years ago) is more important to you than havind a smart person in the Oval office handling our problems - then Vote for McCain.

If you are the people the republicans count on to be distracted from the real issues of our time, like they do to you every election. then vote for McCain.

I don't understand all the rhetoric. It's apparent that the people who car about this country and its survival will vote for Barack Obama.

Those who want to continue to be hateful, racist, nasty and unAmerican need to vote for McCain. McCain and Palin bring out the worse in America. They will NOT win this race.

John McCain has dishonored this country and himself. I am truly ashamed that he is an American!

Vote how you want but don't tell me how to vote!

Posted by: Julescator | October 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree Ayres is not a great attack. Maybe a better attack would be to expose that Obama can't produce proof of citizanship. So far Mr. Obama has refused to produce the documents in the Berg vs Obama case and is trying to fight the court order to produce the documents.
Any American should be able to prove citizenship in less than a day. Why can’t Mr. Obama?

Here is a link to the actual court documents - http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/Pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

A constitutional crisis will rip our country apart. If this is not cleared up now we will have a crisis. If you care at all about America you must call for Mr. Obama to produce the documents and prove that he is eligible to be President.

Please Rally Congress to have Mr. Obama produce the documents to prove his constitutional qualifications.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis

Posted by: tunes59 | October 9, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 9, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Gail Collins NYTs this morning:

**Ayers was named Chicago’s Citizen of the Year in 1997.**

Can't wait 'til the next debate!

:)

Posted by: lichtme | October 9, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Continuing with 37thandostreet's misinformation: "1) First, he took a position in the class at Harvard Law School (from a white student) however Obama NEVER became a lawyer"

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37th, how would you know if Obama took a position from a white student? The man was considered brilliant - an exceptional student - by his professors and classmates. Are you suggesting that the spot belonged to this hypothetical white student simply by virtue of his or her skin color?

Obama DID become a lawyer. Sidley Austin, the firm where he was a summer associate (twice) offered him a permanent position after he finished school, and he had numerous other offers from big-name firms, but he turned them down to work for a smaller firm that specialized in civil rights. But perhaps you don't consider that practicing law? (Sources: The Washington Post Magazine - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092602856.html?sid=ST2008100302144&s_pos= )

Posted by: carlaclaws | October 9, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Frank Shaeffer, a Republican, wrote this:

A hundred years from now Obama's portrait will be placed next to that of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt. Long before that we'll be telling our children and grandchildren that we stepped out in faith and voted for a young black man who stood up and led our country back from the brink of an abyss. We'll tell them about the power of love, faith and hope. We'll tell them about the power of creativity combined with humility and intellectual brilliance. We'll tell them that President Obama gave us the gift of regaining our faith in our country. We'll tell them that we all stood up and pitched in and won the day. We'll tell them that President Obama restored our standing in the world. We'll tell them that by the time he left office our schools were on the mend, our economy booming, that we'd become a nation filled with green energy alternatives and were leading the world away from dependence on carbon-based destruction. We'll tell them that because of President Obama's example and leadership the integrity of the family was restored, divorce rates went down, more fathers took responsibility for their children, and abortion rates fell dramatically as women, families and children were cared for through compassionate social programs that worked. We'll tell them about how the gap closed between the middle class and the super rich, how we won health care for all, how crime rates fell, how bad wars were brought to an honorable conclusion. We'll tell them that when we were attacked again by al Qaeda, how reason prevailed and the response was smart, tough, measured and effective, and our civil rights were protected even in times of crisis...

We'll tell them that we were part of the inexplicably blessed miracle that happened to our country those many years ago in 2008 when a young black man was sent by God, fate or luck to save our country. We'll tell them that it's good to live in America where anything is possible. Yes we will.

Posted by: sheridan1 | October 9, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I simply do not understand the Ayer's controversy. Mr. Ayers was part of the Weather Underground--that's true--and so what! That was a long time ago (about 40 years) and in the meantime he has apparently rehabilitated himself sufficiently to be a university professor, Chicago Citizen of the Year, a worker to better his community. If this is the Ayers whom Obama met and worked with, what is the problem? Should he have said: Oh no, you were a member of a domestic terrorist group in the late 1960's and early 1970's and, thus, I cannot associate with you. Ridiculous. If Ayers still wanted to bomb the Pentagon and the like, that would be a different story. But I guess I really want to say: Stop looking for reasons not to vote for a Black man. Be honest enough with yourselves to admit it. Of course, if that is your reason--you are indeed a racist. Those who disagree philosophically with Obama do not need such nonsense as Ayers to justify their vote--and, by the way they are not racists--wrong maybe, but not racists. Oh and those who are still exercised about Rev. Wright--apparently never went to any white "Christian" churches in the South during the 1960s or even now to Catholic churches. A last word: look at McCain's associations--not just with Keating when he was a senator mind you. And last not least--do you really think that Sarah Palin is an inspired choice, especially when she holds rallies that a reasonable jury might find as incitements to violence. Remember "kill him" in Florida--make you proud does it? This country is going to Hell in a handbasket of its own making.

Posted by: fgg1 | October 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

37thandostreet wrote: "There is NOT ONE ARTICLE WRITTEN BY OBAMA IN THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW."

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37th, nice try. You might go to the Harvard Law Review's actual Web site (http://www.harvardlawreview.org/about.shtml), where they explain why:

"Most student writing takes the form of Notes, Recent Cases, Recent Legislation, and Book Notes. Notes are approximately 18 pages and are usually written by third-year students. Recent Cases and Recent Legislation are normally six pages long and are written mainly by second-year students. Recent Cases are comments on recent decisions by courts other than the U.S. Supreme Court, such as state supreme courts, federal circuit courts, district courts, and foreign courts. Recent Legislation look at new statutes or administrative rules at either the state or federal level. Book Notes, also written by second-years, are six-page reviews of recently published books.

Student-written pieces also appear in the special November and February issues. The November issue contains the Supreme Court Foreword, usually by a prominent constitutional scholar, the faculty Case Comment, and about 25 Leading Cases—analyses by third-year students of the most important decisions of the previous Supreme Court Term—and a compilation of Court statistics. The February issue features the annual Developments in the Law project, an in-depth treatment of an important area of the law prepared principally by second-year editors of the Review. All student writing is unsigned. This policy reflects the fact that many members of the Review, besides the author, make a contribution to each published piece."

I'll pick out the pertinent part and save you trouble: "All student writing is unsigned." Obama was a student.

Posted by: carlaclaws | October 9, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

What delicious irony! Palin is accusing Obama of "palling around with terrorists," while her running mate used to drop bombs on people from a jet.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 9, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

For all you mindless Obama-worshipers who think Obama can't lie, try this: go to his web-site, right now. Go to the "Fight the Smears" link, and read the ACORN piece. I'll save you time, it says:

"Fact: ACORN was not part of 'Project Vote', the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992."

Now, go to wikipedia and look up 'Project Vote'. It says:
" 'Project Vote', one of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) "family of organizations" according to ACORN founder Wade Rathke's blog, often coordinates voter registration campaigns with local chapters of that community organization."

So let me get this straight. Barack Obama's own web-site claims Project Vote is not associated with ACORN. But ACORN's own founder and leader says "Project Vote" is part of their association.

So which Democrat is lying?

You'll excuse me of course if I don't hold my breath waiting for the Washington Post Fact-Checker to figure this one out......

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain's desperation to change the subject off the economy is obvious. Why else would he burn precious ad money on an attack that:
* Sen. Clinton tried unsuccessfully
* Has been debunked by every objective news source
* Is hypocritical in light of the Ayers connection with McCain's own supporters
* Has nothing to do with the issue that everybody cares about most

Now more than ever, it's the economy, stupid!

Posted by: ScottinNC | October 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse


I wish McCain would give some thought to what his divisive campaigning is doing to the country.

And if he chooses to pretend this is an actual issue, why doesn't the media confront him with the issue of his relationship with Gordon Liddy? Why do they let McCain get away with this rank hypocrisy?

Posted by: Seytom1 | October 9, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

So, all the high minded BS that Palin and McCain spew about being different is just that BS. McCain is a disappointment. Palin is a joke. Watch that neckline plunge as McCain tanks in the polls.

Posted by: protagoras | October 9, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

smaggie,

Glad you mention Rev. Wright, so lets talk about Caribou Barbies religous links. Her current pastor is the head of Jews to Jesus, the ones who try to convert Jews the Christianity. In case you dont know Judaism is older than Christianity. The church also promotes a program to help gays "overcome" their homosexuality. And finally, a videotape surfaced of a 2005 service at the Wasilla Assembly of God Church, the Pentecostal church that Palin attended for most of her life. In the scene captured on video, Palin stands at the front of the sanctuary while a visiting African pastor prays that God will help her gubernatorial campaign and protect her "from every form of witchcraft." Later in the same service, the pastor complains that "Israelites" held too many prominent positions in business, a comment that has further alienated Jewish voters.

And correct me if im wrong but didnt McCain suck up to Fallwell, the same preacher who stated we werent attacked by terrorists on September 11th, But we were punished by God for being tolerant to homosexuals. Rev Wright ranted about being black in America. These idiots just rant...

Posted by: rharring | October 9, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Now Obama is calling Mccain eccentric and erratic. They confuse passion with crankiness. For those of you too young to understand this jab, its a rehash of the liberal lefts denigration of Viet Nam Vets. This campaign is becoming an example of the culture wars of the 1970's . Pretty soon they will be calling him a baby killer. They can't let go of the guilt of having abandoned the Vietnamese to a communist dictatorship. Don't think for a minute this is not a call to the old radicals, ie Ayers.

The subtle message is that McCain's war experience has altered his ability to deal with the world. Its an old canard that has been used against vets since Viet Nam. It is a very nasty form of discrimination and a sign of how they use " code" words that are similar to some of the racist " code" words the left are quite quick to complain about.

One has to wonder how low the Dems will go. The old party of equal rights is now using the race card at every turn while Democrat Larry Flynt makes a porn film that is a " code " word for the rape of Sarah Palin. Not a complaint from nary a Democrat! Would you treat your wife or daughter that way?

Its a shame that Americans will allow the denigration of a war hero and running mate with demeaning " code" words.


Posted by: shedhair | October 9, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain is really concerned about America, he needs to focus on the collapsing economy which will take much more than suspending his campaign and/or talking.

He has no real solution, those are the facts on which we vote on.

Posted by: hoogey | October 9, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

smaggie,

Name the building they bombed and i will vote for McCain today???

Posted by: rharring | October 9, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:
You have just proved what a patriotic American you are NOT! You would work with and be friends, (yes he was friends) with a man or woman who has bombed our government offices and was very unhappy that he didn't do much more damage. It doesn't matter that Obama was 8 years old when this happened, IT DID HAPPEN! He knew that when he was introduced to Ayers, yet he became a friend and worked together for several months. Obama said he would denounce what he did, but he did go along working with him. Just as he has with the Rev. Wright. By the way, he did not disown Rev. Wright, he said he would just as soon disown his own people. I wonder what people he was referring to? I still have not heard a REAL REASON why anyone wants to vote for him OR what has he done to deserve this office. It has been asked several times to people on TV, BUT no one can come up with an answer.

Posted by: smaggie | October 9, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain's moral cowardice has been one of the subtexts of this campaign ever since he wound up the nomination and turned his attention to Barack Obama. But I did not realize it would reveal itself in such a physical dimension and that McCain would be so desperate as to act like it really means anything (it doesn't and McCain knows it).


The tell came this week as McCain unearthed the Ayers story which, for whatever its merits, was fully aired months ago and has no clear relation to the particulars of October other than McCain's collapsing poll numbers. He's on it. Palin's on it. He's releasing slashing new TV ads like this one. Both of them are ginning their crowds up into spiraling gyres of right-wing delirium -- a ready-made Lord of the Flies (and let's admit that's a gentle allusion, given the tone of these barnburners) if Obama happened into one of the auditoriums at the wrong moment.


McCain even swaggered on for a couple days about how he was going to 'take the gloves off' when he met up with Obama in Nashville. But when the two of them were there in each others physical presence ... nothing. By a myriad of gestures and reactions Obama owned him.


Nor is it a matter of shifting off the tactics, because as soon as McCain made his hasty retreat from the stage at Debate #2 he was right back at it. In every other aspect of life, high and low, refined and unlovely, we have a word for that kind of behavior: cowardice.


And now Obama can taunt McCain with that very cowardice, his inability to just say it to his face. And if my take on the inner workings of McCain's mind at the moment is right that should simply unhinge him even more.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I have a better idea to help senator McCain to get elected;he can dress up in a KKK white robe, with a swastika nazi white supreme simble on his head, and care a southern conferate flag in his hand. This way he can lead his supporters to Mr. Barak Obama's house and hang him in his front yard to eleminate him once for all.

Posted by: johnycheng1 | October 9, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I have a better idea to help senator McCain to get elected;he can dress up in a KKK white robe, with a swastika nazi white supreme simble on his head, and care a southern conferate flag in his hand. This way he can lead his supporters to Mr. Barak Obama's house and hang him in his front yard to eleminate him once for all.

Posted by: johnycheng1 | October 9, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

37thandOStreet:

who the heck really thinks you rambling, lunatic myspace page is a "top 5 political blog"? Read a right-wing nut job's drivel? Are YOU completely insane?

Posted by: birdaa | October 9, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

. . . . . and speaking of credibility, how about this story.

The Witch Doctor / Hunter cures Sarah Palin - Video found at:

http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=2337

You can also find the video at other links.

What the HELL is this? A vice presidential candidate who has to have an exorcism to have an evil witch expelled? Perhaps the witch doctor can attend some of Sarah Palin's rallies and perform for the audiences, he looks like real entertainment! Perhaps he can do some work on John McCain.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: seakayaker | October 9, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Guilt By Association...How do the RNC and McCain justify his friendship with 1960s radical David Ifshin.

In 1970, Ifshin was president of the National Student Association. That year he actually traveled to Hanoi and urged American troops to rebel against the Vietnam War. Radio Hanoi broadcast his remarks. He even made the cover of Life magazine, standing behind Jane Fonda.

People called him a traitor.
They said that he may have cost American lives.
And yet, McCain was the guy's pal.

McCain said that their relationship proved how futile it was to look back in anger.

McCain reasoning is flawed, Obama was 8 yrs old, McCain was an adult

Posted by: 1April | October 9, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

FYI blevins20061:

Two of the three men you listed as future owners of the Lincoln Bedroom are not friends of Mr. Obama. He feels they have betrayed him: Wright and Jackson.

Mr. Wright gave a rather bizarre interview to the press attacking Mr. Obama and has done much to undermine his campaign. I don't believe Barack is a masochist.

Mr. Jackson said he would like to castrate Mr. Obama. As I do not believe Mr. Obama is interested in any sexual reassignment surgery in the near future, Mr. Jackson will not be in residence.

As for Mr. Sharpton, why would he be invited? Simply because he is African-American?

Fact checking is a very important and useful skill when posting racist remarks.

I am so repulsed by your post I am signing off of this website.

Posted by: hakafos44 | October 9, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse


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The Solution to the Economic Crisis is NOT to place a former cocaine user in charge of thw World's Largest Economy.


Are you completely insane?

Voted One Of The Nation's Top 5 Political Blogs For The Election Of 2008:

http://www.myspace.com/37thandostreet

Bookmark It Now !!!!

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The Ayers attack is bogus on many levels. First, while Obama has known Ayers, Ayers has been a college professor, not a terrorist. Second, the Weathermen did not advocate violence against people; the group advocated violence against property to illuminate the violence against the people of Vietnam being practiced by our country in an effort to help bring the war to an end, so what Ayers was doing does not fit within the current definition of terrorism. Third, Obama has condemned what Ayers did 40 years ago. Fourth, at present Ayers is a college professor working to improve education for the youth of this country. Fifth, if you want to get back to guilt by association, then McCain has a far more serious problem, because one of his "friends" is G. Gordon Liddy, a man criminally convicted for domestic terrorism who was ready to commit even greater crimes than those for which he was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison (commuted by Pres. Carter), who has since advocated shooting ATF agents in the head because they wear bullet proof vests and who was praised by McCain even after he had said that. Last November, when McCain appeared on his radio program, Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain said to Liddy, "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family. It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great." Not only has Liddy not done anything to show repentance, he has bragged of his work and claims that while in a federal prison he was "a prisoner of war." It is McCain who "pals" with a terrorist, not Obama.

Posted by: ViennaJack | October 9, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

. . . . . fly66. . . . .

Can you please provide your sources on "CRAIGS" list for all the information your passing on . . . . . .

Great piece of fiction writing that would play well in a DC Comic Book!

We now know where the great followers of McCain and Palin are getting their reference material for their candidates! It is Craig's List! Wow, I never would have thought to look there!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Posted by: seakayaker | October 9, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

For everyone trying to promote all these phony rumors about the Obama campaign getting money from muslim America-haters, remember campaigns have to make public the name and address of anyone who contributes more than $200 to the campaign. You can search these records yourself and if you notice any funny business, you can report it and they'll have to return the money. That said, it makes perfect sense that he's been raising so much money. I am a student and I already gave his campaign $1000. Several of my friends donated more than $200, about $25 at a time. You may not like his policies, but you should admit that financing his campaign with mostly small donations from a large pool of citizens is truly impressive and uprecedented!

Posted by: aspartamerocks | October 9, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse


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A great deal has been said of Obama as head of the Harvard Law Review - however the evidence is that he was voted into that position because the people thought it would be "cool" to have a black in there, not because he was more qualified than the other students.


Having said that, Obama NEVER wrote for the Harvard Law Review.


There is NOT ONE ARTICLE WRITTEN BY OBAMA IN THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW.


There is a pattern of Obama getting positions or jobs through affirmative action and then NOT doing those jobs.


1) First, he took a position in the class at Harvard Law School (from a white student) however Obama NEVER became a lawyer,


2) Obama became head of the Harvard Law Review, however Obama NEVER wrote a law review article.


3) Obama became a State Senator however Obama RARELY voted yes or not, voting present many many times - Emil Jones placed Obama's name on numerous bills which were Emil's work, and Obama took credit for Emil's work because someone decided that Obama was going to be pushed forward.


4) Obama was selected to be the Chairman of the SubCommittee to review NATO's role in Afghanistan however Obama NEVER held any hearings of this SubCommittee.


5) Obama was elected to the US Senator, however instead of doing his job as a Senator Obama went on a book tour and started a campaign for President - HOW MUCH TIME HAS HE REALLY SPENT ACTUALLY BEING A SENATOR ???

Sorry However NONE OF THIS IS IMPRESSIVE. In fact, it is rather sad.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin Playing The "Terrorist" Card Goes Beyond Mere Campaign Sleaze!!!


I'm not sure what it would take to convince Palin and McCain that insinuating another candidate for the presidency might somehow be a secret terrorist is a very, very bad idea. America has had plenty of experience with right-wing militia nuts and paranoid loners over the last few decades; it should be transparently obvious that sneeringly inciting crowds to such an extent is a dangerous game for Palin and McCain to be playing. Palin, especially, should be damn well aware of it, given her and her husband's past uncomfortable closeness to militia figures in Alaska.


To put it plainly, inciting right wing crowds to consider an American presidential candidate a "terrorist" isn't merely dirty politics or otherwise unseemly -- it comes uncomfortably close to implicitly encouraging actual violence. And that "uncomfortably close" part is putting the most charitable possible face on it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
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I'm sure there's no way we can make them stop, or even tone down their at this point intensely personalized, intensely spiteful rhetoric. They are immune to shame, or even common sense; this is the last desperate hour of the McCain campaign, and Palin was selected specifically because she could make these sorts of sleazy, least-common-denominator appeals to a far-right base that needs it, in order to feel good about voting for McCain.


But I think an adequate karmic retribution for Palin would be, if and when Obama is elected, for her to be made his personal assistant and be ankle-chained to him every time he leaves the White House -- so that whatever happens to Obama during his presidency happens to her as well. Maybe then she'd gain a shred of introspection into how much you should or shouldn't actively incite dumbarse, already paranoid, explicitly racist Republican crowds into thinking that an American president is an enemy of the state.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuSYHnVpYbs
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

How does one begin to awaken the dead when one is not divine? Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin are trying their best.

I lived in New York and have probably passed the site of the building those radicals and anarchists--which is what they were not terrorists-- bombed so this man's prior political activism is not to be admired. Violence does not a political movement make.

Nonetheless, it is so far in the past I was compelled to research Mr. Ayers on the internet. I had no idea who he was because that time is so far removed from mine. I would say neither did Mr. Obama, who was raised off the mainland.

Mr. Obama did not seek him out, they were appointed to the same board of directors.
If he has risen to a position where they are on the board of directors of an Annenberg program, a prominent name in philanthropy, Mr. Ayers must have had his background and behavior carefully researched. If they felt he was a menace, he would not have been appointed.

Mr. McCain reveals his age when he believes an issue that is over thirty years old is familiar to modern voters. I am sure a number of his supporters his age spent some time on a picket line or sit-in of some sort. And I am as sure that they have reformed. Ms. Palin says she is a Christian and yet she does not believe in redemption and forgiveness.

Can we focus on to the economy please? The crumbling infrastructure that caused a bridge to collapse in the state of their convention? And perhaps some emphasis on the education reform the Annenberg project explored?

This is what most people care about.

Posted by: hakafos44 | October 9, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain needs to come clean with his past relationships and extramarital affairs while serving as a commander of a Naval Base. How many women did he sleep with? How often was he on duty while hung over from one of his many famous nights on the town? What about opening up his naval records to the public, let us know why he was passed over for promotion? There is a lot about McCain that needs to become public.

The one thing we do know about McCain is his record for voting against veterans.

Here is how he has stood on recent legislation supported by major veterans organizations:

* On Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.

* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.

* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.

* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.

* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.

* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.

Before the Senate voted on Webb's GI legislation, McCain offered what he called a compromise bill, but it was rejected. Webb pointed out that there really was no compromise in McCain's proposal because it would have excluded most veterans by offering full education benefits only to those with multiple enlistments, even though 70% to 75% of enlistees leave after one tour.

Compare McCain's stingy standards with the original GI Bill: Any veteran who served 90 days during World War II, in combat or not, earned full benefits. It is Webb's bill that represents the reasonable compromise between the gold standard set for the "greatest generation's" original GI benefits and what is doable in today's economy: a GI Bill that will truly pay for a college education after three years of service, without the onerous payroll deduction.

So here is where the McCain image and reality part company. It is certainly true that his affectionate and respectful rhetoric for America's servicemen and women takes a back seat to no one. But when it comes to improving the health and education of our veterans, McCain's record leaves them stranded by the side of the road.

Full article found at: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-humes30-2008may30,0,4850795.story

If we are going to air the dirty laundry, lets get it all out in the open.

John McCain talks out one side of his mouth but and his actions do not back up his talk. He is anti-veteran and does not care for any veteran once they have left the service. Unless they are a wealthy financial contributer to his campaign.

Just say no to John McCain and his talking Parrot, Sarah Palin.


Obama/Binden '08

Posted by: seakayaker | October 9, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Forget the Ayers distraction.

Rather, read the New York Times expose' on how six swing states have been illegally purging voters from the rolls (old and new voters). THIS is scary. If the link doesn't work go to nyt.com and search on "Colorado" and "voter".

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin

Posted by: Towards_Light | October 9, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

So the Republicans are acting like 8 year olds in making something out of Obama's name, like this "O-Bomb-O". Pretty cute for a third grader.

Well I have one in return.
You know how McCain talks some times, using bad grammer, well here's one.

"McCain uses bad Gramm-err" Get it?

Posted by: jack98 | October 9, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

So complete ignorance coupled with total arrogance is the mix required to be an Obama supporter.

Google Stanley Kurtz and William Ayer and read the source material he provides to prove an undeniable link between Obama and Ayers. This is as important an issue as this deplorable economy since who we put in the White House should be trustworthy.

Obama has NEVER responded to the questions about his associations with Ayer except with a "Shut up, I explained."

The saddest part of this whole thing is the betrayal of the press. Journalists who do not investigate these allegations because of their allegiance to Obama are robbing the American people of the ability to make an informed decision about the candidates.

And blaming one party or the other for this debacle of an economy is just foolish. Something as large and complex as the US economy can not be answered with a simple finger pointing.

Anyone (myself included) with debt (credit card, home equity, etc.) has their hands dirty too.

So if the press won't give us the information we need, why not use google and yahoo and investigate for ourselves. Dig for the truth instead of eating the pap these newspapers are feedin us.

Obama is not good for this nation. McCain is not that great either but is truly the lesser of two evils.

And yes, I do mean evil.

Posted by: iainswife | October 9, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

BTW...smc91 is absolutely right. By stating that Obama is a terrorist because of a past acquaintances' own indiscretion, you're opening up and former associates of McCain and Palin to the same scrutiny. Cindy McCain is a known drug addict so, by association, John McCain must condone drug use.

Posted by: birdaa | October 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

There are lots worse out there then Ayers...
"This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I started thinking "where did the money come from for Obama". I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans.

I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California . He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. "Barry" (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan . During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a "round the world" trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family. My question - Where did he get the money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York . It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ? It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia , he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago ? Why not New York ? He was already living in New York .

By "chance" he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real estate developer in Chicago . Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named "Entrepreneur of the Decade" by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association". About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School . Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School ? Where did he get the money for Law School ? More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago . Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented "Rezar" which Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago . In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with "seed money" for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz , Iran ! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular contacts with "Hamas", which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran . This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq , he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will "Take care of things".

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan ? They are in charge of all those "small" Internet campaign contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East ?

And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, "My Muslim faith". When questioned, "he make a mistake". Some mistake! We trained them to fly airplanes; so they could carry out their mission. Now we're training them to run our country.

All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - "Beware of the enemy from within"!!"

Please, anybody with any common sense, please pass this on, which is what I am doing. This came from a writer on Craigslist....

Posted by: fly66 | October 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

dbw1:

It's you against the world, huh? "I'm right and everyone else on the planet is wrong!!" People are laughing at you, not with you, moron.

You never responded to my initial question though. Why does Palin think that it's alright to associate with secessionists? Does she really think that America is THAT imperfect?

Posted by: birdaa | October 9, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but would someone please tell me this truth about an alleged Obama-Ayers friendship that the McSame people seem to have?
By the way, I have seen McCain palling around with known GOP millionaire-capitalists. They don't see the America we see.
They're the ones who think America has problems. They're the ones who think America isn't profitable enough.
McCain and his millionaire-capitalist friends do not see the same America that we see.
McCain's free markets, anyone?

Posted by: jmf3210 | October 9, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

When I was active with Fair Housing; on Boards; PR person, if there was anyone who could help with my goal of integrating housing here, I would NOT have asked what they did back when I was 8 yrs. old.

I would be most grateful for somone who was involved with education to assist on the Board as well as coordinate with churches; for that matter, anyone I could have gotten to reach the goal of helping people with understand the Civil Rights and Fair Housing Laws.

Posted by: wilkestraphill | October 9, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

WHO WILL BE SLEEPING IN THE LINCOLN BEDROOM IN AN OBAMA WHITEHOUSE?

Reverends Sharpton, Jackson and Jerimiah Wright will own that time share.

Scary.

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 9, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Trying to use the Bill Ayres connection against Obama makes me sick.

You may not know that both McCain and Hillary tried this tactic in April earlier this year.

Noted academic Stanley Fish said it best back then. Read:
http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/much-ado/?scp=1&sq=staney%20fish%20ayer&st=cse

In case you want to skip the column,here is a quote:
And in case he (McCain) has forgotten what it feels like, he may soon be reminded; for there’s a story abroad on the Internet that says that rather than being a heroic, tortured prisoner of war, McCain was a collaborator who traded information for a comfortable apartment serviced by maids who were really prostitutes. I don’t believe it for a second, just as I am sure that Senators McCain and Clinton don’t really believe that Obama condones setting bombs or supports a radical agenda that was pursued (as he has said) when he was eight years old.

The difference is that I feel a little dirty just for having repeated a scurrilous rumor even as I rejected it. Apparently Obama’s two opponents have no such qualms and are happily retailing, and wallowing in, the dirt.

Sarah and John,
"Have you no shame?"

Posted by: CliffHawley | October 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

smc91:
"Does this mean John McCain "pals around" with known drug addicts, i.e., his wife Cindy?"

This is the kind of intelligence common among the lower-margin of Democrats.

Frankly, bottom-of-the-barrel scum like "smc91" who would make fun of peoples past chemical dependencies, and their conquering of said addictions, should leave the posting to more intelligent Democrats who I know would not stoop to such comments reflective of a deep depravity of aptitude.

"smc91", feel free to crawl back into that garbage pit you crawled out of to lodge that post.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 5:41 PM
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I'm sorry you're so wounded by that kind of comparison, but facts are facts. Cindy McCain is a former drug addict. I didn't "make fun" of that fact, I simply stated it. Take your drama elsewhere.

Posted by: smc91 | October 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain so focused on Ayers because he protested the Viet Nam war as a young man when Obama was 8 years old? Did Obama even know who Ayers was years ago when they met, other than a guy in the neighborhood, a fellow Board member in a very reputable (Republican?) Annenburg organization, and a faculty professor at a reputable university? Hello McCain/Palin, the world is imploding and you're using ridiculousness to try to gain votes...and you wonder why people are moving rapidly to Obama/Biden.

Let's talk McCain and Keating and family vacations; Cindy McCain stealing narcotics for personal use from her own foundation; Palin, the puppet of Todd, the shadow governor who has much too much involvement in state government for a non-elected spouse; Palin with no regard for women's health and no interest in protecting our rights...including charging rape victims to investigate their charge; and Palin who is governer of a state with the highest domestic violence rates!!! Isn't this the time when he/she with no sin can cast the first stone? Give us a break GOP...you are so out of touch with Main Street!! If the only thing you can do is throw stones while the world implodes...what makes you think the electorate is stupid enough to fall for your old time politics and cronyism?

Posted by: HealthcareforAll | October 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain so focused on Ayers because he protested the Viet Nam war as a young man when Obama was 8 years old? Did Obama even know who Ayers was years ago when they met, other than a guy in the neighborhood, a fellow Board member in a very reputable (Republican?) Annenburg organization, and a faculty professor at a reputable university? Hello McCain/Palin, the world is imploding and you're using ridiculousness to try to gain votes...and you wonder why people are moving rapidly to Obama/Biden.

Let's talk McCain and Keating and family vacations; Cindy McCain stealing narcotics for personal use from her own foundation; Palin, the puppet of Todd, the shadow governor who has much too much involvement in state government for a non-elected spouse; Palin with no regard for women's health and no interest in protecting our rights...including charging rape victims to investigate their charge; and Palin who is governer of a state with the highest domestic violence rates!!! Isn't this the time when he/she with no sin can cast the first stone? Give us a break GOP...you are so out of touch with Main Street!! If the only thing you can do is throw stones while the world implodes...what makes you think the electorate is stupid enough to fall for your old time politics and cronyism?

Posted by: HealthcareforAll | October 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Same people that are crying about Socialism and Ayers are the same tools and sock-puppets that brought Bush into power and kept him in power.
The colossally ignorant Iraq war? Yours. Mismanaged response to Katrina? Yours. The deregulation of financial markets and the gutting of the middle class? Yea, that one's belongs to you also.
Why don't you ignorant disgruntled fascists step aside and let some educated adults be in charge? Change is coming and if you don't like it go back to England, Germany, or Sweden or wherever it is that your Great-Grand Parents illegally immigrated from. You've done too much damage to this country and I sincerely hope that the change that is coming - and it IS coming - finds you and shakes you down to your foundations.

Posted by: HeavyD1 | October 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain is stupid to try to use this. It just makes him that much less credible. Anger and desperation are not going to win voters for him.

Personally, I believe he is beginning to scare a lot of people. As we see our savings disappear, it is not comforting to think of having a maniac in the White House.

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | October 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

You give the McCain campaign too much credit for thinking through this transparent smear. Don't forget that conservative businessman, Walter Annenberg, a friend of Ronald Reagan who he made an ambassador, gave the money to start up the board that Ayres and Obama served on. If the Annenberg challenge felt Ayres was sufficiently expert on education issues to put him on the board does that mean that they were "palling around" with terrorists?

This is gutter politics at its worst. Both McCain and Palin have shaky associations that are more direct than Obama has to Ayres - Charles Keating, a multi-billion dollar thief who was a close associate and business partner of Cindy McCain comes to mind - that I don't think they have the higher ground in a former associate "nasty off."

Just as the Republicans' foreign policy crashed a few years ago, and their domestic policy burst into flames this year, this campaign is the last twitches of the odious Atwater-Rove Republican gutter politics, played very inexpertly by the McCain campaign, which is leading them to a justly deserved landslide defeat.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | October 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

dbw1 takes edwcorey to task for noting that
Republicans controlled both houses of Congress during the period when it took actions dbw1 criticized (or failed to do things dbw1 thinks it should have done).
dbw1 offers excuses, writing that
"Just because there is a "majority" in either side of the congress doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want. We have two houses of Congress, one that gives more power to the majority (House), and one that still allows a good bit of power to the minority (Senate). That was the genius of our founders, since they didn't want the daily fluctuations of opinion polls to guide our governments decision making (imagine that)."

Sarcasm aside, dbw1, the majority in Congress controls what Congress does, even to the point of making the rules for itself. A determined minority might be able to stall or postpone actions, sometimes, but unless the Congressional minority has an ally in the White House (whose veto they have sufficient votes to susain), the majority is in the driver's seat.

Republicans controlled Congress from the end of 1994 until 2006. They ALSO controlled the White House from 2000 to date. If you are unhappy with anything the federal government has done these last 12 to 14 years, take it up with the GOP.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | October 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Looking4Transparency:

I applaud your unapologetic appeal for transparency in political relationships.

Maybe you would be able to do some research and see how this lines up with your point. Obama requested an earmark for $3 million for a projector at a planetarium in his district. The director of the planetarium board raised $250,000 for Obama's campaign.

Clearly, this is an instance of relationships influencing a politician's decision-making, so I look forward to your denunciation of Obama for engaging in such shananigans.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

RUBY2 wrote, "Guilt by association? You betcha, when there are myriad connections. How many baseball players does it take to make a team? Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, Pfleger, Odinga, Auchi, Khalidi, Emil Jones, Jr., ACORN, ACORN Housing and the Democratic Socialist Party: seems Obama's got a full team and a few backup players to boot. I wonder who else is hiding in the dugout..."
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So by your logic, we can safely say that Sarah Palin is a seperatist. Talk about unpatriotic, that's right up there with treason.

Posted by: iiell | October 9, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Ayers? How about McCain-Chalabi?

How many US troops in Iraq have died because Ayers was spying for Iran? How many Americans died because Ayers helped deceive us into invading a foreign country? How many time did Ayers get Obama to give him millions when the CIA told him Ayers was a fraud? How many times did Obama let Ayers decide US policy in Iraq? How many times did Ayers con Obama into believing that Iraq had WMD?

Just more flip-flopping conservative moral relativism.

Posted by: Garak | October 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

John S. McCain, well then how about being truthful about your relationship with Phil Gramm, Dick Cheney and George Bush? The last two and yourself are responsible for the deaths of thousands of young Americans in a war that was presented under false pretenses. AND all of whom are partially responsible for this crashing economy. John S. McCain is a criminal and incapable of telling the truth... So much for straight talk! Oh and your running mates husband has wanted Alaska to secede from the union! Where is the Country First in that!

Posted by: rcc_2000 | October 9, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

smc91:
"Does this mean John McCain "pals around" with known drug addicts, i.e., his wife Cindy?"

This is the kind of intelligence common among the lower-margin of Democrats.

Frankly, bottom-of-the-barrel scum like "smc91" who would make fun of peoples past chemical dependencies, and their conquering of said addictions, should leave the posting to more intelligent Democrats who I know would not stoop to such comments reflective of a deep depravity of aptitude.

"smc91", feel free to crawl back into that garbage pit you crawled out of to lodge that post.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with the Ayres ads...McCain undermines them himself by his refusal to confront the issue directly himself. He stood next to Obama for 90 minutes, and didn't question the association or Obama's credibility as a result of it once. He's clearly uncomfortable with it because he knows it's crap.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | October 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

RUBY2 wrote, "Guilt by association? You betcha, when there are myriad connections. How many baseball players does it take to make a team? Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, Pfleger, Odinga, Auchi, Khalidi, Emil Jones, Jr., ACORN, ACORN Housing and the Democratic Socialist Party: seems Obama's got a full team and a few backup players to boot. I wonder who else is hiding in the dugout..."
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So by your logic, we can safely say that Sarah Palin is a seperatist. Talk about unpatriotic, that's right up there with treason.

Posted by: iiell | October 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations on winning "I'm a Good Republican!"


Posted by: jeft2k | October 9, 2008 5:21 PM
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Good shot. You got my point: it doesn't really matter WHO gets elected. Washington is corrupt and will remain so. It's just that with Obama in power, I'll feel doubly protected by his administration, and the ACLU. Life will be wonderful.

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 9, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

birdaa:

If you can conclude that Sarah Palin wants Alaska to secede from America based on Palin's husband belonging to a party who's leader at one time supported Alaska's secession, even though it's not party of the party's platform, then you must agree that Obama is racist against blacks because he belongs to the Democrat party, same political party as Senator Byrd, former member of the KKK.

Your post did nothing to disprove that your stupidity far exceeds that of anyone else on this board.....

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama's JUDGMENT and CHARACTER:

Terrorist Ayers = Obama Political Sugar Daddy
Convicted Felon Tony Rezko = Obama Financier
Black Racist Jeremiah Wright = Obama Spiritual MENTOR
Anti Semite L. Farrakhan = Obama Ally and Supporter

The true Obama is revealed. Obama is a Black Panther type radical trying to take over the Federal Government

Posted by: TonyV1 | October 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean John McCain "pals around" with known drug addicts, i.e., his wife Cindy?

Posted by: smc91 | October 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

You can put lipstick on a pitbull but it will still be a dog.

McBush/Pain 2008 - "We are quite aware of how bad we stink"

Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It isn't the guilt by association. It's the lying and deceiving about the associations people won't like you having. Obama lies about Wright. He lies about Khalidi. He lies about Ayers. They're just people in his neighborhood, he says. No, they're not. They're his mentors, confidants, associates. They're his people. He acts like he doesn't know them. How can you put trust in a liar? You can't. We've had enough lying.

Posted by: AWAustin | October 9, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I hope mc Cain doesnt make us all his fellow prisoners if he is elected. As he so called all of us during a speech in Florida. Flashbacks and questionable VP's do not a President make.

Posted by: acbasurto | October 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

edwcorey:
"Republicans controlled both houses of Congress in those years. So how could that have happened?"

You must be a Democrat, since you don't know how our government works. Let me help.

Just because there is a "majority" in either side of the congress doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want. We have two houses of Congress, one that gives more power to the majority (House), and one that still allows a good bit of power to the minority (Senate). That was the genius of our founders, since they didn't want the daily fluctuations of opinion polls to guide our governments decision making (imagine that).

So, for instance, due to the rules of the Senate a party would have to have over 60 members in order to jam through legislation regardless of the opinion of the minority party. In 2003-2005, Republicans only held a slim 1-2 vote majority.

So even though the Democrats were in the minority and couldn't do anything themselves, they had enough votes in the Senate that they could stop Bush and Republicans. See, that's how a minority can still have power in a bicameral legislature, which is what we have here in America!

And that's why Bill Clinton blamed the MINORITY DEMOCRATS in Congress for blocking reforms he and the Republican majority wanted to make to Fannie and Freddie back in the late 1990's. So see, even Bill Clinton blamed the Democrat minority in Congress.

And since now you have learned more about how our legislative branch of government works, I'm convinced you will agree with Bill Clinton.

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

This Just in: The Alaska Supreme court says Troopergate probe can continue.

http://palincounter.blogspot.com/

Posted by: goathead | October 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou---


Good point. McBush is a coward.

He sends the ladies to do his dirty work.

Palin the Impaler and Incendiary Cindy are doing his dirty work.

McPain/Falin memories from the 2008 campaign.


Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Very good question.

Now .. why did McCain and his team interceded to delay the investigations of "Troopergate" Palin on the abuse of power?

Shouldn't there be much more investigations and scrutiny into Palin's past be relevant to your question??

Afterall, Obama, Biden and McCain, at least for the past 20 monthts, were under scrutiny by both the public and the media.


Is Palin an untouchable??

How much really is known about her and her past ssociates.

Her husband "First Dude" Todd was reported as a member of an organization that wants to secede from the USA. Palin's as governor even presented a speech at one of the organization's meeting.

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whats wrong with looking into obama's past, after all how this crisis is handled is just as important as solving it...there are questions to be asked and answered, would not want to put someone into office that doesn't have this countries best interest in mind...

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Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Several posters commented how Biden was ignorant of the Constitution because he cited Article 1 as the defining limits on the Vice President, when it is article 2 that describes the Executive Branch. This reasoning comes directly from an ill-informed right wing pundit and has become legend and "fact". But a more reasonable and accurate reading of the transcript clearly show he was talking about the limited relationship to the Legislative Branch. Article 1 Section 3 gives the entire relationship of the VP to the Legislative branch; to cast a tie breaking vote...and nothing more. He was entirely correct in his debate answer and apparently the right wing sheep never bothered with civics or history classes in school, relying on talk radio and Fox to tell how to believe by faith.
They are doing the same with Obama, getting all worked up over "facts" as given to them by Rush and FOX without ever trying to determine whether there is any evidence to support such wild claims.

The same right wing broadcasters have gotten the sheep to believe the fault of the current economic crisis is solely at the feet of some Democratic banking committee members and their crime was "forcing banks to lend to deadbeats and minorities". Now it is repeated without evidence how it is the poor people who took out home loans who are to blame as well, so that proves only wealthy or upper middle class should be able to get loans.
But the reality is against the right wing propagandists again. The number of housing defaults is closely related in totals to those people who lost jobs that were mostly replaced overseas by the unregulated corporations that have been the primary winners during the Bush era. There is no evidence that supports the claim that poor people where bad risks and that they defaulted in large numbers. The defaults largely are in the middle class white collar ranks who lots hard to replace middle class jobs, and non-resident speculators who were buying multiple homes and relying on renters to pay the mortgage payment. When the low income renters lost their jobs the speculators, who had nothing to lose, abandoned the houses. I have seen dozens of these two scenarios in California and yet have seen very few lower economic class home buyers who abandoned their only house.
The government's failure was the Executive Branch, who is charged with administering the laws and overseeing comliance. As everyone knows, the Bush adnministration essentially abandoned any oversight tasks and let industries do anything they wished. THAT is the failure of the government, and fail it did....again. Has any right wing talk show host or FOX mentioned this? Of course not. That would not suit their propaganda role.

Posted by: km6xz | October 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

A Republican Idealogy

"To all bloggers,

Welcome to Camelot. Now that Ombama is a sure-fire winner thanks to ACORN and the MSM, I'm joining in by voting democratic this time.

...Not having the fortitude to stand for what you believe in, you're willing to prostitute yourself.......

VERY REPUBLICAN

It is patently obvious that Obama has the election locked, I'm throwing my support to him, hoping to get a piece of the pie.

....Anything for a nickel I don't have to earn. I'll scam my living.......

VERY REPUBLICAN

"I want so much to become part of the new administration, because I know that I'll be able to get away with ANYTHING."

....An Original and REPUBLICAN GOAL....


"Because I'm a Black female, I'll be able to do ANYTHING and walk away from it Scott-free. No amount of corruption will go past my desk looked into. "

....Hey, you are in the REPUBLICAN mold...

"I will willingly cheat, embezzle, subterfuse, and back-stab to my hearts content. "

.... U R Very, very good. See: REPUBLICAN POLITICS. We don't govern, we ruin........

"After all that, I'll simply take my ill-gotten gains (having shorted the stock market these last few days, I'll continue to do the same) and move to a country that has no extradition (like Kenya). "

.....You are just like Jack Abramoff! Well Done! except you showed your stupidity, (sorry, I know you were trying so hard). Kenya is not all that stable........

Congratulations on winning "I'm a Good Republican!"

Posted by: jeft2k | October 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Amazing. McCain puts up ad after ad with lie after lie and then accuses his opponent of being a liar. Once agin the Republicans and their minions make it about disproving a "fact" without ever proiving the "fact" to begin with and just look at how the media and the McCain supporters eat it up. Saddam Husseon could not disorve he had weapons of mass destruction; therefore, he had them and was a threat. Obama can't disprove that his relationship was anything more than casual; therefore, he is lying about the relationship and we can't trust him.

When McCain calls Obama a liar to his face and allows Obama to rebut then I'll believe it. Fact is that McCain knows that this is a false attack and will never do it in person.

After watching some of the video of the McCain/Palin rallies and supporters, I fear for the future of our country. It has been a half century since we were last faced with such vile, vindictive, and hateful behavior in our politics. And like past witch hunts in this country, whether in Salem or Washington, the McCain/Palin brand shamelessly exploits for political ends the darkest aspects of human nature.

Posted by: vmi98mom | October 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

dbw1:

Leave out the Nazi references, please. It only betrays your stupidity.

Now as for past/current relationships...Care to explain Palin's own husband being a secessionist and belonging to the Alaskan Independence Party? Palin obviously thinks that America is so imperfect that Alaska should secede from the union.

Posted by: birdaa | October 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

To tellthe truth01:

"To all bloggers,

Welcome to Camelot. Now that Ombama is a sure-fire winner thanks to ACORN and the MSM, I'm joining in by voting democratic this time. It is patently obvious that Obama has the election locked, so I'm throwing my support to him, hoping to get a piece of the pie. I want so much to become part of the new administration, because I know that I'll be able to get away with ANYTHING. Because I'm a Black female, I'll be able to do ANYTHING and walk away from it Scott-free. No amount of corruption will go past my desk looked into. I will willingly cheat, embezzle, subterfuse, and back-stab to my hearts content. After all that, I'll simply take my ill-gotten gains (having shorted the stock market these last few days, I'll continue to do the same) and move to a country that has no extradition (like Kenya). Happy days are here again. This is bliss.

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 9, 2008 4:58 PM |
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Then you should have gotten in on the ground floor during the Bush II Administration. I'd say you missed your chance."

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Did I forget to tell you that I'm already a member of the Bush Administration? Actually, indirectly. I worked for the Democratic Washington, DC Office of Finance, and will never be caught. Life is good, and will continue to be good under Obama. Can you imagine him investigating my office again? A Democratic DOJ investigating the DC Administration? Really? I'll bet my 3 yachts and palace in the Bahamas on it.

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Living a a glass house the McCain Camp-Pain should not be throwing stones. At the end of the day the Zillion dollar questions are these

1)Did (the candidate's) contact with their "unsvory character" impact their judgement?

2)Did their contact with (unsavory character) influence them to promote a policy or position that relates to governing or public policy?

In the case of Obama there is not a shred of evidence that indicates that his contact with Ayers influenced him or affected his positions in any way whatsoever. There is only insinuation and suggestion - nothing of substance.

In the case of McCain however, he was deeply involved with Charles Keating in both a personal way (use of Keatings private jet and vacations for his whole family - multiple times), but more significatnly in a public way.

McCain pressured regulators repeatedly to ease up on Keating's S&L and they did. Now it may be a stretch to say that this directly caused the massive Savings and Loan failures in the 80's, but there is little doubt that it was a part. Keating's Lincoln Savings and Loan failed to the tune of $3 billion. By the time all the S&L's failed the cost was up to something like $500 Billion! The same lax oversight and regulation is exactly what has fueled the current ecomomic crisis.

In addition, the global nature of the current economy and the proliferation of high risk, barely regulated financial instruments such as derivatives and futures has created an economic domino effect that is reverberating around world markets and scaring the hell out of me personally as I watch my 401K errode to a fraction of it's original value.

McCains economic philosophy is a part of the problem, not the solution. McCain's attitude about personal respect, his volatile temper, and judgement that he would pick such a stunningly unqualified VP candidate should disqualify him from the presidency.

Posted by: Looking4Transparency | October 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is not man enough to own his crap. John McCain will not openly confront Obama with his smears and lies and innuendo. John McCain will not come out and talk about Ayers, he has to be asked. That is why he goes to places like Faux News, so he can be asked. What a coincidence.


John McCain is a coward.


John McCain would rather hide behind his wife and Sarah Palin than say it himself.


He would rather produce 2 minute ads that his campaign will never pay to air anywhere, and hope that the tire-swinging media will bring up the topic so he doesn’t have to do it himself.


John McCain just wants to throw crap out there, and "raise questions" about Obama, and hope his supporters connect the dots, because he is too much of a coward to directly push this toxic stew. He would rather hide behind right-wing bloggers, surrogates, and scummy websites staffed with wingnut welfare recipients like the NRO and the Weekly Standard.


John McCain had 90 minutes to bring this stuff up to Obama, to his face, and passed.


John McCain is a liar and a coward.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

McSame's advocates are pathetic.

They are now grasping at straws.

Obama's dog was sheltered at the kennel of a former bank fund embezzler. Why would he leave his dog with such a person. Obama is unfit. Our banks won't accept him as President.

McBush/Falin "desperation with contempt"

Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

It appears that "Texas" is an advocate for secession. Or is it that he is just a KKK coward? Buddy, you are so transparent it's funny. Keep posting, we need a good laugh and stupid Sarah can't carry the McCain Comedy Hour all by herself.

Why don't you just save us the time, call Senatir Obama the "N" word, and be done with it. Then we can all go back to seeing our life savings dissolve in front of our eyes thanks to that "W" idiot, from your state also. Gee. what a coincidence.

Posted by: pookiecat | October 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

How do the Repubs & McCain/Palin excuse 1.Liddy
2.Annenberg
3.cheating on his first wife
4.Agee
5.voting w/Bush 90 per cent
6.voting to not fund the
war (still getting that cold feeling up your spine,Cindy)?
7.voting to START the war
8. back-handing a veteran's sister for asking a question
9.Stealing his opponent's campaign theme
10. Claiming that he initiated to suspend his campaign and then claimed credit for the bailout solution.
P.S. For anyone claiming these are attacks and unfounded, get used to saying President Obama. My point:Be careful when you point a finger at someone,there's four staring back at YOU.

Posted by: RodneyK | October 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

There is not one article written by McSame in the Harvard Law review either.

Oh yeah! They don't except D student into Harvard's Law School.

BTW: The Editor of the Harvard Law review....EDITS articles.

This position is given to the person deemed to be at the top of the class and thereby most qualified to scrutinize other's articles.

Look up the definition of Editor on dictionary.com

Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

elvera, Texas: I am so sick of this McCain/Palin ticket that I cannot take it anymore. They will grab support from anybody including their ‘fellow prisoners’. It is true; many of their supporters ARE prisoners of hate. What a disguising and desperate pair! It is so obvious that McCain and Palin are intellectually-challenged, arrogant, and hateful people. I am a 65-year old white woman, a business owner; and I would not hire Sarah Palin to be my receptionist much less a manager. How in the world she was elected a governor? It is a mystery to me. THIS ONE is voting for ‘THAT ONE’ regardless of how many ‘fellow prisoners’ will support McCain/Palin ticket. I think it is about time to throw the McCain/Palin ticket into a history dumpster.

Posted by: elvera38 | October 9, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

whats wrong with looking into obama's past, after all how this crisis is handled is just as important as solving it...there are questions to be asked and answered, would not want to put someone into office that doesn't have this countries best interest in mind...

Posted by: DwightHCollins | October 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow. There sure are a lot of nutters with time on their hands today. Actually, most younger Americans like old hippie professors with colorful pasts. Palling around with Professor Ayers as a young man in Chicago is more patriotic, honorable, and trustworthy than sucking up to Falwell after you've already accurately pegged him as a loony and a bigot--just to get another shot in your dotage at the presidency. It's comical to see an ignorant person like Palin going after a man and an organization of which she was totally ignorant three weeks ago as if the fate of the planet, as it falls into depression, hinges on whether Obama "palled around" with some old hippie. Especially since she's had five kids with a person who verifiably and truly wants to break up these united states.

Posted by: WillyHSmith | October 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

To all bloggers,

Welcome to Camelot. Now that Ombama is a sure-fire winner thanks to ACORN and the MSM, I'm joining in by voting democratic this time. It is patently obvious that Obama has the election locked, so I'm throwing my support to him, hoping to get a piece of the pie. I want so much to become part of the new administration, because I know that I'll be able to get away with ANYTHING. Because I'm a Black female, I'll be able to do ANYTHING and walk away from it Scott-free. No amount of corruption will go past my desk looked into. I will willingly cheat, embezzle, subterfuse, and back-stab to my hearts content. After all that, I'll simply take my ill-gotten gains (having shorted the stock market these last few days, I'll continue to do the same) and move to a country that has no extradition (like Kenya). Happy days are here again. This is bliss.

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 9, 2008 4:58 PM |
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Then you should have gotten in on the ground floor during the Bush II Administration. I'd say you missed your chance.

As for, "It's the old 'cover up is worse than the crime' strategy," that could just as easily be applied to Sarah Palin's "Troopergate" investigation and her husband's connection to the Alaska separatist movement. Fair is fair.

Posted by: tellthetruth01 | October 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

news-junkie:
"If it were up to me, I'd only report what a candidate says about issues that matter and keep completely silent about irrelevant guff."

We absolutely agree. The economy is in the tank, and we just want a leader to give us hope again. His past connections & relationships shouldn't matter, since we really, really like the speeches he's giving on current issues.

Sincerely,
Germans in 1933

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The real absurdity of this particular issue of connection with Aryers stems from the injudicious actions by Palin and McCain to avoid addressing the pressing issues that affect the daily lives of the nation but to engage with personal attacks on their opponents.

McCain and Palin need to realise that when one finger is pointed at another ... three fingers are pointing back.

McCain and Palin have pointed at least two fingers ... they should not be surprised should at least six fingers get pointed at them.

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"The other major problem with the Ayers attack is that the incidents in questions are not only decades old but also have already been prosecuted in the media during the Democratic primaries."

So, I can only assume that the Post's Chris Cillizza would agree that if John McCain had a decade long-relationship of any sort (close or arms-length) with a professor at a Christian college who also happened to bomb abortion clinics during the 70's, it would be a non-issue since the bombings were 'decades old', and if the media had already 'prosecuted' it.

Just pointing out the absurdity of these Washington Post mouth-pieces of the Obama campaign, masquerading as "journalists".


Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 4:54 PM

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Ayers told the great humanitarian Chavez: "Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions large and small. La educacion es revolucion." It is that form of socialist revolution that Ayers, and Obama, have worked to bring to America."

Posted by: skihillsandy

So I guess he agrees with Thomas Jefferson: “Every generation needs a new revolution.”

Posted by: edwcorey | October 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Why does McCain always say he knows how to catch Bin Laden? He said the same during the last debate. The last time I checked, Bin Laden was the most wanted person. Why is Mr. McCain not giving whatever strategy or idea he has to catch Bin Laden to the government officials so he can be captured?
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Because he wants to wait until he becomes President; which means Bin Laden can rest now, he will never be captured by John McCain!

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | October 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

To all bloggers,

Welcome to Camelot. Now that Ombama is a sure-fire winner thanks to ACORN and the MSM, I'm joining in by voting democratic this time. It is patently obvious that Obama has the election locked, so I'm throwing my support to him, hoping to get a piece of the pie. I want so much to become part of the new administration, because I know that I'll be able to get away with ANYTHING. Because I'm a Black female, I'll be able to do ANYTHING and walk away from it Scott-free. No amount of corruption will go past my desk looked into. I will willingly cheat, embezzle, subterfuse, and back-stab to my hearts content. After all that, I'll simply take my ill-gotten gains (having shorted the stock market these last few days, I'll continue to do the same) and move to a country that has no extradition (like Kenya). Happy days are here again. This is bliss.

Posted by: sdansker2002 | October 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Having said that, Obama NEVER wrote for the Harvard Law Review.


There is NOT ONE ARTICLE WRITTEN BY OBAMA IN THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW."

Of course there is, you dirty racist.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Good question in one of the comments from Collins, Ohio: ‘Maybe someone can help me out here. Why does McCain always say he knows how to catch Bin Laden? He said the same during the last debate. The last time I checked, Bin Laden was the most wanted person. Why is Mr. McCain not giving whatever strategy or idea he has to catch Bin Laden to the government officials so he can be captured? Way to put Country First?’

Posted by: elvera38 | October 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"When President Bush and the Republicans, who forsaw this problem coming, tried to put some kind of controls on these mortgage loan excesses with bills back in 2003 and again in 2005, every Democrat in the Senate voted against it, including Obama and Biden, and every Republican voted for it. Both times these bills were defeated because of the Democrats."

Posted by: armpeg

Republicans controlled both houses of Congress in those years. So how could that have happened?

Posted by: edwcorey | October 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

TexasTeaParty wrote, "Up to now, conventional wisdom on the financial meltdown has relegated ACORN and the CRA to bit parts. The real problem, we’ve been told, lay with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In fact, however, ACORN is at the base of the whole mess."

That's ludicrous. ACORN brings the world's advanced economies to their knees. I'm not even sure how to argue against that kind of thing. It would be like trying to reason with a hallucinating schizophrenic, when what's needed is a call for an ambulance.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The short of this is there is every bit as much, if not more dirt on McCain/Palin as there is on Obama/Biden. But the Obama camp is sticking to the positive message.

Imagine what the Repubs would be saying if either Obama or Biden were currently under an ethics investigation. The democratic ticket has left this alone.

The republicans are so desperate that they're complaining about photos being published of Palin without being retouched. Unreal, complete disarray.

http://palincounter.blogspot.com/

Posted by: goathead | October 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"The other major problem with the Ayers attack is that the incidents in questions are not only decades old but also have already been prosecuted in the media during the Democratic primaries."

So, I can only assume that the Post's Chris Cillizza would agree that if John McCain had a decade long-relationship of any sort (close or arms-length) with a professor at a Christian college who also happened to bomb abortion clinics during the 70's, it would be a non-issue since the bombings were 'decades old', and if the media had already 'prosecuted' it.

Just pointing out the absurdity of these Washington Post mouth-pieces of the Obama campaign, masquerading as "journalists".

Posted by: dbw1 | October 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has relationship problems? This relationship of John McCain's is MUCH more relevant to the current economic crisis. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzDEbVFcg8

Posted by: jeffyt | October 9, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

UpNorthOutWest

Do you want investigations on all of the associates, contacts, etc., McCain, Palin, Obama and Biden have made throughout their lives to compile a reference source to determing quartionable relationships??

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And there you have it. The Washington Post wing of the Obama Campaign letting you all know not to think about Obama's repeated ties with unrepentant domestic terrorists. It doesn't matter. It's not important because the economy is so bad? OK; let's then focus on Obama's solution of higher taxes, higher spending and opposing free trade agreements with our allies. Does that sound helpful? I especially like how it's not appropriate for McCain to go into Ayers because "the extent of the relationship with Obama and Ayers is unclear." It's unclear because Obama and his campaign have LIED ABOUT IT! My God, media, do your damn job!

Posted by: UpNorthOutWest | October 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 9, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse


In the end of course, Clinton’s plan cost taxpayers an almost unimaginable amount of money. And it was just around the time of his 1995 announcement that the Chicago papers started encouraging bad-credit customers with “dog-food” wages, little money in the bank, and even histories of bankruptcy to apply for home loans with the help of ACORN. At both the local and national levels, then, ACORN served as the critical catalyst, levering pressure created by the Community Reinvestment Act and pull with Democratic politicians to force Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into a pattern of high-risk loans.

Up to now, conventional wisdom on the financial meltdown has relegated ACORN and the CRA to bit parts. The real problem, we’ve been told, lay with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In fact, however, ACORN is at the base of the whole mess. ACORN used CRA and Democratic sympathizers to entangle Fannie and Freddie and the entire financial system in a disastrous disregard of the most basic financial standards. And Barack Obama cut his teeth as an organizer and politician backing up ACORN’s economic madness every step of the way.

Posted by: TexasTeaParty | October 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

msreeddesign, I hope that blast was therapeutic, because I guarantee it didn't persuade a single undecided voter of anything other than the fact that some of Obama's support comes from extremists.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

There is no God but Allah and Mohamed is his messenger. Please vote for John McCain.

Posted by: sobugged1 | October 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The market plummets to below 8,600, and what is John McCain doing? Nero fiddles as Rome burns. What a cosmically irrelevant creature the Republicans have tossed at us this year.

Posted by: mmeyerdc | October 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

so even McCain says the association itself is no big deal (tell that to Hannity - everyone else agrees) but now thinks he can get mileage out of the candor issue? give it up. he admitted having been appointed to the same conservative board (the Annenberg board is the Walter Annenberg who's estate Reagan vacationed at) and having attended a fundraiser at. so where's the lack of candor? there's no there, there.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain went after Obama on Ayers today in Waukesha, Wisconsin. I'm surprised he didn't drive an hour away and make the remarks from the grave of Joe McCarthy in Appleton, which also is the national headquarters of the John Birch Society. Wisconsin has a progressive streak too as in Fighting Bob LaFollette who started out as a Republican which has become infused into the Democratic Party in that state. The progressive force will win in the fall. And in another geographical historical bit of irony, the attacks on Obama's liberal politics occurred just outside of Milwaukee, which has elected Socialist mayors.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | October 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The Ayers contacts are much larger than what you deride. Whether he had any contact is not important but is indicative of the senators root politics.

Obama and Ayers come from a group of intellectually self sufficient class of people who believe that the problem with this world is those people who are not like them; well educated, wealthy, progressively "good". Birds of a feather flock together. Whether Ayers went off the reservation back in the 60's is not as important as his unrepentant attitude. He can't be wrong.

These people they focus on, their class opponents, are basically ignorant, educated at trivial public schools, have loyalties to religions, community and military values, and are incapable of leading the world in their progressive fashion.

A casual read of many blogs will lead you to believe that the support for Obama' has almost fascist elements to it.

There is quite a bit of truth to the Ayers connection, in that Obama seems to share the resentments of this class of people. If only these stupid thugs would get out of our way.

Arrogance like this may cost them the election.

Posted by: shedhair | October 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

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No, I think it is the arrogance of Bush and McCain, plus eight years of sheer incompetence, that will cost Republicans this election.

Posted by: maggots | October 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Comrade has No Clothes - the truth is FINALLY bubbling out and the Left and MSM, despite EVERY effort can no longer stop it.

Socialist "New Party" memmember, Barry "Barrack" Obama is a willing participant in an organized, long-term effort to undermine our "capitalist" economy through various efforts.

For more detail Google: Cloward-Piven Strategy

Posted by: TexasTeaParty | October 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

And there you have it. The Washington Post wing of the Obama Campaign letting you all know not to think about Obama's repeated ties with unrepentant domestic terrorists. It doesn't matter. It's not important because the economy is so bad? OK; let's then focus on Obama's solution of higher taxes, higher spending and opposing free trade agreements with our allies. Does that sound helpful? I especially like how it's not appropriate for McCain to go into Ayers because "the extent of the relationship with Obama and Ayers is unclear." It's unclear because Obama and his campaign have LIED ABOUT IT! My God, media, do your damn job!

Posted by: UpNorthOutWest | October 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Chris, we don't care about Ayers. We care about the economy tanking and what is being done (or not) to fix it. How about if you guys in the media *stop* giving them free publicity for such stupid personal attacks? If it were up to me, I'd only report what a candidate says about issues that matter and keep completely silent about irrelevant guff. How about it?

We know a fair amount about both candidates. We don't want to go over and over and over again over old stuff. What we don't know is what they are going to do to solve our problems and we want you in the media to push these candidates to talk about these issues, to stop talking in generalities and give us some sensible answers. Convince us you have a team that can carry it out. *This* is what McCain needs to if he wants to win. Obama has still left him that chance.

Posted by: news-junkie | October 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"...These people they focus on, their class opponents, are basically ignorant, educated at trivial public schools, have loyalties to religions, community and military values, and are incapable of leading the world in their progressive fashion...."

1. That describes people like Sarah Palin, and the people Dubya tries to sound and act like. Many of those people, sadly, ARE quite ignorant, and rely on "guns and God" to help them muddle through life. The Republican Party has spent the last 40 years pandering to these people. Many of them are racist.

"...A casual read of many blogs will lead you to believe that the support for Obama' has almost fascist elements to it."

1. Fascism is defined in the Encyclopaedia Brittanica as the "Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state's authority, and harsh suppression of dissent."

That sounds MUCH more like the GOP, especially post 9/11, than the Democrats last time I checked.

"...There is quite a bit of truth to the Ayers connection, in that Obama seems to share the resentments of this class of people. If only these stupid thugs would get out of our way...."

The REAL fascists in power NOW are the real thugs that need to get out of the way...of We The People.

Barack Obama is the best choice we have...and I don't think even he is liberal enough to engender the REAL change required to get this nation off the fast track to a totalitarian, global, corporate friendly, low-wage, fascist police state the neoCONS would like to have us ALL be slaves under.

Posted by: msreeddesign | October 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I have a sense of pity for McCain. Stucket with a lousy campaign, saddled with advisors and a running mate that had to have been dredged up from a swamp, and tied to a sitting president who could pass for a leading character in a horror movie.

I have pity for him, but I wouldn't vote for him.

Posted by: clgrafton24 | October 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

You want to know the real problem with the Ayers attack? Here goes:

Since it is of such vital importance, will McCain also tell you that the people who put Mr. Ayers on the board he was on with Barack Obama were William and Leonore Annenberg?

You may recognize the latter name, since John McCain listed her the other day as one of the 100 former ambassadors who endorse his presidency.

Using McCain's distorted logic, my question is this...do you think it is seemly for Mr. McCain to accept an endorsement from somebody who gave an important position of authority at their foundation to a "domestic terrorist?"

Mr. Cilizza, perhaps you can entrust a fellow reporter to make an inquiry to the McCain campaign about this blatant hypocrisy.

John McCain.

Hypocrite.

Unfit to serve.

At the end of my post, there is a short video from the John McCain of 2000 which shows he has no respect for the John McCain we see today.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccains-campaign-tactics-show-he-is.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association? You betcha, when there are myriad connections. How many baseball players does it take to make a team? Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, Pfleger, Odinga, Auchi, Khalidi, Emil Jones, Jr., ACORN, ACORN Housing and the Democratic Socialist Party: seems Obama's got a full team and a few backup players to boot. I wonder who else is hiding in the dugout...

Posted by: RUBY2 | October 9, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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Let's talk about Ollie North and G Gordon Liddy and of course, the greatest domestic terrorists of all GW Bush and Dick Cheney. A thousands Ayers could never have damaged this nation as much as these two.

Posted by: maggots | October 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Winky the "dudette" appears to want to use her lipstick for smearing.

MCCain met Obama twice, personally at the debates, yet he has not challenged Obana face to face on Palin's statements and accusations.

Where is the real Mccain??

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EXCERPT FROM wharwood:

Bottom line is that McCain can call a man a traitor, a terrorist-sympathizer, at a rally but when he comes eye to eye, he has nothing to say. That is not honor. And Obama called him out today on Ayers and challenged him. Is McCain going to continue to cower and send out Ms. Winky to talk nasty or will he be a man next time?

Posted by: wharwood | October 9, 2008 4:18 PM

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

One would have to be pretty dumb to believe that a far-left liberal Socialist like Barack Obama, and a political party that has a near 60 year (pre-1996)history of high taxes and always raising taxes on just about everything as the answer to every problem, like the Democratic Party, to now believe that they, if elected, would lower any taxes.

Posted by: armpeg | October 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

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You would have to be pretty dumb to vote for the Republicans after the last eight years of incompetence.

Posted by: maggots | October 9, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

disgusting, John McCain, from the once honorable man you were you have descended to the farthest depths of Rovian Republicanism ... if you had any soul left to sell there are no more buyers.

Oh, and btw: offering to toss our salad isn't going to get us to vote for you either.

I'm holding my nose as I type this, just thinking about you.

Posted by: khote14 | October 9, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Beating dead horses in order to revive a sagging campaign would not save the McCain candidature. It would not save the hundreds of thousands of jobs being lost, which are some of the main preoccupations of Americans now. Besides, Ayers' actions were carried out when Obama was just eight years old. Obama stands for change and the turning over of a new leaf that would save America from the economic ruin visited on them by the GOP and their president, as well as their presidential candidate who was tied to the apron strings of the eight-year Bush mess.

Posted by: bisong | October 9, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is insane.

The only voter fraud being done is by his own party using Karl Rove tactics. Go to www.gregpalast.com for the proof. He is a BBC investigative reporter who 60 minutes is afraid to touch.

"David Iglesias, the US prosecutor, knew something was very wrong when, just a week before the 2006 midterm elections, he received a strange and threatening call to his home. It was his state’s senior senator, the powerful Republican leader Pete Domenici on the line, pushing Iglesias to file criminal charges against a Democrat before the election.

DAVID IGLESIAS: I’m sitting in my bedroom, and here’s the killer point, Greg. He says, “Are these going to get filed before November?” And I said I didn’t think so. And the line goes dead. In other words, our senior senator hung up on me. A terribly inappropriate call.

GREG PALAST: Inappropriate, certainly. Obstruction of justice, possibly.

DAVID IGLESIAS: He basically wanted to know: are you going to file these cases that can help Heather out? That was the subtext. I felt terrible after that phone call.

GREG PALAST: By “helping Heather,” he meant Congresswoman Heather Wilson, then candidate Heather Wilson. The race was a dead heat. Domenici wanted him to bust a Democrat to help Wilson. Still, Iglesias tried to be the loyal party man, even covering up the threatening call.

Did you report this phone call to anyone at the time?

DAVID IGLESIAS: I did not, and I should have. There is a requirement under the US attorney’s manual for us to report that kind of contact from a member of Congress. I didn’t do that.

GREG PALAST: But that act of loyalty wasn’t good enough for Karl Rove, the President’s political advisor. Rove flew to New Mexico just before the election and got an earful of complaints about Iglesias from state party chiefs. Rove reported to President Bush, who personally put the heat on Attorney General Gonzales. Iglesias was stunned.

DAVID IGLESIAS: I had no idea that a few local yokels in New Mexico would have enough stroke to get the President to complain.

GREG PALAST: There was more than failing to help the Wilson campaign. In the 2004 presidential election, Republican operatives blocked a quarter-million new voters nationwide from voting on grounds they brought the wrong IDs to the poles. To justify this massive blockade, Republican officials wanted Iglesias to arrest some voters to create a high publicity show trial. Iglesias went along with the game. Just before the 2004 election, he held a press conference announcing the creation of a vote fraud task force. But the prosecutor drew the line at arresting innocent voters.

DAVID IGLESIAS: They were telling Rove that I wasn’t doing their bidding. I wasn’t filing these voter fraud cases.

GREG PALAST: The evidence fellow Republicans gave him was junk. He refused to bring a single prosecution.

DAVID IGLESIAS: It was the old throwing pasta at the wall trick, that he’s throwing up pasta. Something’s got to stick, and it didn’t.

GREG PALAST: For failing to bring the voting cases, Iglesias paid with his job.

DAVID IGLESIAS: They wanted a political operative who happened to be a US attorney, and when they got somebody who actually took his oath to the Constitution seriously, they were appalled and they wanted me out of there. The two strikes against me was, I was not political, I didn’t help them out on their bogus voter fraud prosecutions.

GREG PALAST: Rove personally ordered his removal. As a prosecutor, Iglesias says that if missing emails prove the firing was punishment for failure to bring bogus charges, Mr. Rove himself is in legal trouble.

DAVID IGLESIAS: If his intent was, look what happened with Iglesias, if that was his intent, he’s in big trouble. That is obstruction of justice, one classic example.

GREG PALAST: Iglesias believes the real reasons for the firings are in what are called the missing emails, emails sent by the Rove team using Republican Party campaign computers, which Rove claims can’t be retrieved. But not all the missing emails are missing. We have 500 of them. Apparently the Rove team misaddressed their emails, and late one night they all ended up in our inboxes in our offices in New York City.

And as Iglesias predicted, they reveal a story the party would rather keep buried. Voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., reviewed the evidence in our cache of emails and concluded:

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: They ought to be in jail for doing this, because they knew it was illegal, and they did it anyway.

GREG PALAST: What is it that was so obviously illegal that law professor Kennedy thought they deserved prison time? The evidence that shook him was attached to fifty of the secret emails, something that GOP party chiefs called caging lists, thousands of names of voters. Notably, the majority were African American. Kennedy explained how caging worked.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: Caging is an illegal way of getting rid of black votes. You get a list of all the black voters. Then you send a letter to their homes. And if the person doesn’t sign it at the homes, the letter then is returned to the Republican National Committee. They then direct the state attorney general, who is friendly to them, who’s Republican, to remove that voter from the list on the alleged basis that that voter does not live in the address that they designated as their address on the voting application form.

GREG PALAST: In all, the Republican Party challenged nearly three million voters, a mass attack on minority voting rights virtually unreported in the US press.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: So they disenfranchised millions of black voters who don’t even know that they’ve been disenfranchised.

GREG PALAST: Page after page of voters with this address, Naval Air Station, Jacksonville, hundreds, thousands of soldiers and sailors targeted to lose their vote. Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.

And what does this have to do with the prosecutor firings? Take a look at the name at the top of the secret missing email: Tim Griffin. This is the man in charge of the allegedly illegal caging operation. He is research director for the Republican National Committee, special assistant to Karl Rove, and as of December 7 Karl Rove’s personal pick for US attorney for the state of Arkansas. Is this a case of the perpetrator becomes the prosecutor?"

Not this time.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, Chris!

In your attempt to be balanced or fair or neutral or whatever, you sound like Fox Noise Channel hack, "to their credit, the McCain campaign appears to be trying to turn the economic issue in their favor -- launching ads... blah blah blah."

Is that truly credit-worthy? It's just more of the same. McLame can't come up with an economic plan of his own so let's claim that Obama is going to spend $1,000,000,000,000. That is pretty thin gruel. We've spent that much in the last month. Unsaid here, McLame will spend a gazillion in tax give-aways to his friends, you know his friends, the middle-class, meaning those who make $5,000,000 a year.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | October 9, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Thursday, October 9, 2008

Polls

Gallup ======= Obama +11
Rassmussen === Obama +5


Gallup === Obama +11 %
Obama == 52% === McCain == 41

Rasmussen === Obama +6
Obama == 50% === McCain == 45%


Projections -- 270 Electoral College Votes needed to Win:

Obama leads with -- 248

Solid Obama --- 146
Likely Obama -- 102

Leans Obama -- 052


McCain leads with -- 163

Solid McCain --- 065
Likely McCain -- 098

Leans McCain -- 011

Toss-Up --- 64

Information Sources:

Rassmussen
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/


Real Clear Politics [ RCP ]
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Some people fault Obama for not writing when he was editor of Harvard Law Review? As opposed to McCain's ranking at Annapolis (894 out of 899)?

Politico has an interesting article about Obama's role as editor. This quote, by a federal judge that Bush appointed says a lot about him:

"A frequent problem with student editors is that they try to turn an article into something they want it to be. It was striking that Obama didn’t do that. He tried to make it better from my point of view.”

McConnell was impressed enough to urge the University of Chicago Law School to seek Obama out as an academic prospect. . . . "To understand what someone else is trying to say isn't just an editorial skill," said McConnell. "It's a life skill.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11257.html

Posted by: vaney18 | October 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

www.americanthinker.com
??

An oxymoron if I ever saw one

Posted by: VMR1 | October 9, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Ayers contacts are much larger than what you deride. Whether he had any contact is not important but is indicative of the senators root politics.

Obama and Ayers come from a group of intellectually self sufficient class of people who believe that the problem with this world is those people who are not like them; well educated, wealthy, progressively "good". Birds of a feather flock together. Whether Ayers went off the reservation back in the 60's is not as important as his unrepentant attitude. He can't be wrong.

These people they focus on, their class opponents, are basically ignorant, educated at trivial public schools, have loyalties to religions, community and military values, and are incapable of leading the world in their progressive fashion.

A casual read of many blogs will lead you to believe that the support for Obama' has almost fascist elements to it.

There is quite a bit of truth to the Ayers connection, in that Obama seems to share the resentments of this class of people. If only these stupid thugs would get out of our way.

Arrogance like this may cost them the election.

Posted by: shedhair | October 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is that McCain can call a man a traitor, a terrorist-sympathizer, at a rally but when he comes eye to eye, he has nothing to say. That is not honor. And Obama called him out today on Ayers and challenged him. Is McCain going to continue to cower and send out Ms. Winky to talk nasty or will he be a man next time?

We can appreciate McCain's situation, though. What's he going to say, that Obama failed to tell us about every email he sent to this supposedly terrible guy who was hired by the Annenbergs---the same right wing icons who just endorsed McCain---when Obama served on a charity board with him along with a heap of republican politicos? He will sound like an idiot.

McCain now has a choice of how he wants to lose. And pushing this Ayers nonesense will ensure he leaves this campaign with neither victory nor honor.

Posted by: wharwood | October 9, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin and McCain hopefully should realise that their personal attacks against Obama and avoiding the pressing economic issues facing the nation, can also backfire on their fellow Republicans who are running for the Senata and House of representative.

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 9, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

If we're questioning someone's judgment, what about McCain's association with G. Gordon Liddy, who has hosted McCain on his radio show and contributed to his campaign. Liddy is a convicted felon who served five and a half years in prison for conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping charges in connection with the Watergate scandal, and is completely unrepentant about his crimes. Does McCain condone Liddy's acts, the goal of which was to subvert the electoral process? Apparently so.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | October 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The Republican campaign CEO's ought to realize that Sarah Palin's negative, low blows, and base rhetoric, seems to be popular only when she speaks at her rallies. Hello! She's 'preaching to the choir.'

You would think that the Republican's who direct this republican sideshow would take notice of the polls. You would think that they would realize that the polls indicate that their dirty personal attacks on Barack Obama have been ineffective. They have not induced the independent voters to lean toward voting for McCain. The negative direction of the Republican campaign has had the opposite effect. Most of the people, whom I speak to, talk about having lost respect for John McCain.

There was a time when I thought I could trust John McCain's judgement to lead the USA, and honorably represent our country. However, he can't even run a respectable, productive campaign, so how would he run the USA?

John McCain's desperation is showing! He'll grasp at anything to reach this 'last hurrah' even if it compromises his integrity!

Judy
Gulfport, FL

Posted by: jlo2 | October 9, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Latest poll result in Colorado:

McCain --- 67%
Obama --- 33%

Posted by: hclark1 | October 9, 2008 3:40 PM

Really, how about a source? Here's one from this week with an actual source attached to it...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/IA_Colorado_100708.pdf

Obama 51%
McCain 45%
Other 1%
Undecided 3%

Posted by: Kev29 | October 9, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Latest poll result in Colorado:
McCain --- 67%
Obama --- 33%
Posted by: hclark1

hclark1,

In your dreams. You must be watching Sean Hannity, and listening to the lies of Rush Limbaugh. Their polls are rigged.

Here are the facts:

Barack Obama is pulling away from John McCain in Colorado, according to the latest Fox News/Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state.

Obama leads McCain by six points, 51% to 45%. A week ago, Obama had a one-point lead, and a week before that McCain was up by two.

Eighty-two percent (82%) of Colorado voters are now certain who they will vote for, up four points from a week ago. Eighteen percent (18%) say they may still change their minds, including one-third of unaffiliated voters in the state.

For Obama the findings are good news since moving Colorado to the Democratic column is considered critical to his winning the White House. A classic swing state, Colorado went for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004 and GOP nominee Bob Dole in 1996 after supporting Democrat Bill Clinton four years earlier.

Nationally, Obama has opened a steady lead over McCain in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll and Electoral College projections. Colorado is one of several battleground states where Obama has gained ground in this week’s round of Fox News/Rasmussen Reports surveys.

In Colorado, McCain has a five-point lead among men but trails Obama by 15 points among women voters.

Obama leads by 14 points among unaffiliated voters.

McCain is viewed favorably by 53% and unfavorably by 46%. Obama has 55% favorables and 43% unfavorables.

Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 74.4% chance of winning Colorado’s nine Electoral College votes next month. At the time this poll was released, Colorado shifted from “Toss-Up” to “Leans Democrat” in the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator. NOTE: Factors other than the latest Rasmussen Reports poll impact the Balance of Power ratings. The current status is indicated on the table in the upper right corner of this article.

While voters are evenly divided on which candidate they trust more overall, Obama has the edge 49% to 44% in voter trust on the economy and jobs. A plurality of Colorado voters (44%) say the economy is the most important issue in the election.

Twenty-one percent (21%) say national security is the most important issue, and voters trust McCain more, 50% to 44%, in this area.

Faced with the toughest decision of their lives, 47% say they would ask McCain for advice, but 44% would ask Obama.

Forty-seven percent (47%) say they would be extremely or very comfortable with Obama in the White House, while 40% say the same of McCain. Forty-eight percent (48%) feel that way about Obama’s running mate, Joseph Biden, as vice president versus 38% for GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin.

New polling was released Monday night with statewide results from Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Ohio, and Virginia. See an overview of all five state polls and the latest Electoral College projections. A total of 270 Electoral Votes are needed to win the White House (see 50-State Summary).

Recent statewide Presidential polls have been released for Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Kentucky, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and Washington. Demographic crosstabs for all state polling are available for Premium Members. Learn More.

See results from recent polling on Senate races.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

So what racist crap did we hear today from McCain and Obama?

Same old racist crap we heard the day before, and will apparently hear until November 4th. Then what? After McCain gets slaughtered like a aimless sheep, what will his reception be in the Senate? This guy is not a hero, he's an erratic nut who has lost all sense of moral decency.A cowardlt fear monger 10 times worse than Bush. Even if the economy wasn't bad, I still wouldn't vote for him. At least you know that Bush is not a racist or white supremecist sympathizer. As for Puff Bunny from Wasilla, why even bother. She's going to be out of job and indicted for obstruction of justice within a year.

Posted by: pookiecat | October 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris! Almost forgot...you completely missed the "big problem" with McSame's Ayers "attack" — it's totally bogus.

Posted by: bclark3 | October 9, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Poor McCrankypants. First a liar. Now a chicken.

He and his crew of nincompoops and shameless slimers attack Obama. But when Obama and McCrankypants debate, McCrankypants doesn't have guts enough to even look Obama in the eye, much less spew the lies and smears he regurgitates on the road and tv.

He's got one more chance. Time for the angry old man to put up or shut up.

Posted by: bclark3 | October 9, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has a piece in the Huffington Post today about the role of Sarah Palin and her husband in the Alaska Independence Party. Todd was a member and Sarah attended conventions and addressed the group. its platform advocated secession from the United States. But all of this shouldn't matter, nor should Obama's community service with Ayers on a board. The nation needs to address its real issues and Obama is doing so while McCain and Palin only work to divide the country.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | October 9, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

So let's see Sarah Palin's HUSBAND was a member of a group that spouted anti-American statements,a secessionist group that didn't want to be a part of this country. A group that Sarah Palin recently gave the opening remarks for a conference. Yet we are talking about Ayers? Give me a break unless we are going to start talking about the secessionst group this is a non story.

Posted by: jhop1104 | October 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"What makes [Obama] unfit, is his inability to understand that raising taxes at this time is a sure way to turn a recession into a depression."
Uh, excuse me, but one of FDR's best-known actions during his first hundred days was a "soak the rich" tax increase on the extremely wealthy, then as now a tiny percentage of the US population and the same group that would be affected by Obama's proposed tax increase. Less wealthy Americans would get a substantial tax reduction in Obama's plan -- much bigger than the one offered by McCain.
This didn't just happen with FDR: Bill Clinton's tax increase on the rich soon resulted, not in the 1992 recession turning into a depression, but in the end of the recession and the beginning of a period of dramatic economic growth.
In FDR's administration, the tax increase on the rich, combined with a minimum wage, labor union rights and consequent wage increases, among other reforms, pulled the country out of the Depression.

Posted by: landsend | October 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

If you are removed from the rolls of your voting station, DO NOT TAKE A PROVISIONAL BALLOT. 99% of the the those types of ballots are not counted and are just tossed. Demand your right to vote, and always bring your voter's registration card with you to the voting booth. If you have proof of registration, they have to supply you with a REAL ballot and let you cast your vote. It is your right, don't let the Repubs take it away from you.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Isn't everyone sick and tired of this old Ayers-accusation by now, especially since both Democrats and Republicans have worked with him forever? What terrible "relationship" could the two possibly have had, given Ayers is now a college professor and their issue has been distributing education money - from a diehard Republican's foundation?

If there hasn't been much of a relation anyway, what is Obama supposed to be candid about?

Posted by: asoders22 | October 9, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

You know there are millions of us baby boomers from the Vietnam era. Millions of us were Vietnam war protesters (e.g., remember the Chicago Seven?). There are millions of us who went onto productive careers, after the Vietnam war was ended. Professor Bill Ayers is an example of one person who transformed for a Vietnam War protestors to a respected educator. Sure many of the former Vietnam war protestors became counter-culture drop-outs, moved up to Canada, eh? But you have to ask yourselves how come Canada has safe banks, and the U.S. taxpayer is being handed a $700B tax bill by a former Vietnam pilot? Canada is looking better to me everyday now.

Posted by: rmorris391 | October 9, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

so our stock market is now in the 8 thousands and you are arguing about Ayers?

What about the Republican philosophy of deregulation and the War for Oil in Iraq?

We're out TWO TRILLION DOLLARS now and you're manufacturing fear of a Chicago public school teacher?

The Republicans put us in this position and they will NOT get us out.

GROW UP!!!

Posted by: vigor | October 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else been struck by what seems to be a rising discrepancy between the various tracking polls? Gallup currently shows Obama +11, and Rasmussen shows Obama +6. But the Obama margin is notably less in Reuters/Zogby (Obama +2) and Hotline (Obama +1), with Battleground (Obama +4) in the middle. This doesn't cast doubt on the Obama lead. All of the tracking polls but Hotline have Obama winning between 47 percent and 52 percent of the vote. All but Gallup have McCain winning 43 percent to 46 percent of the vote. But the Obama margin in the realclearpolitics.com average has been going down. CBS and Democracy Corps, which if anything usually lean just a little to the Democrats, have Obama +3, not a huge lead. Is it possible there's a little more fluidity in this race than we have come to think?

Barone

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

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"Honesty: Barack Obama is probably the most transparent politician to arrive on the scene in the last 200 years. He has written two best selling biographies. Note here: Obama wrote his books himself. McCain used a ghost writer."
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If you think so, perhaps you might read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html

Be sure and absorb the analytical details. You might conclude McCain's disclosure of a ghost writer being the greater level of honesty. And quite frankly, Obama's putative ghost writer is frightening because it suggests who Obama works for, rather than the reverse.

And, when it comes to disclosing a life, why would you trust Obama's "autobiographies" to either be complete or honest, especially since most admit virtually all "auto" biographies are strongly biased and self serving?

The especially troubling issue is the Obama campaign's refusal to release other Obama information and documents that, as original sources, might negatively vet Obama's "self musings." Here you may for example see the building legal filings in Berg vs. Obama, noting the extreme specificity of Berg allegations and claims and the Obama response of seeking information suppression and delay.

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

Berg, by the way, is a well known Democrat and Hillary supporter.

The frightening thing about this case is that it will be decided. If Berg prevails and Obama is elected, there will be the most dire Constitutional crisis this country has ever faced.

I can not speak to the ultimate accuracy of either Cahill's analysis or Berg's pleadings. But there is little doubt that the press has uncritically bought Obama's story book, line, and sinker. If Obama is the person he claims to be with the history he claims to have written himself, he should answer Berg's questions and supply the documents in question. He has nothing to risk except the possibility of revealing perjury.


Posted by: drwilly | October 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"The other major problem with the Ayers attack is that the incidents in questions are not only decades old but also have already been prosecuted in the media during the Democratic primaries."

First, the Ayers issue is NOT decades old -- Obama kicked off his Illinois senate campaign in Ayers' home and that wasn't "decades ago."

Secondly, it is not true that Obama's relationship with Ayers has been "prosecuted i the media" -- oh if only that were true. Then the public would actually be informed!

The truth is, the media, in their desire to get their man in the White House, totally ignored the Ayers relationship and too easily accepted Obama's lame response to Hillary that he and Ayers are merely neighbors. It's time for journalists to do their job.

Enquiring minds want to know: what did Obama know and when did he know it?

Posted by: SeekTruth | October 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Palin and Mccain just had a $10,000 per person fundraiser in Naples, Florida at the home of a millionaire that was fined by the SEC for unethical practices.

The fundraiser was held at the home of John "Jack" Donahue, the Chairman and founder of Federated Investors, a massive financial services company. In November 2005, Federated Investors paid $72 million in fines and penalties as the result of a SEC investigation into "unethical trading practices." They paid millions more in refunds to investors and as a settlement with then NY AG Spitzer.


Federated Investors settlement was the final part of the huge Canary Capital hedge fund/mutual fund scandal. Federated was collaborating with Canary to illegally manipulate trade times (essentially back-dating sales and purchases) and other shady practices.

Palin and McCain are raising funds with/from the very people they claim to denounce. But doing this in the midst of a national financial meltdown linked to these same shady financial practices is unbelievable.

Why just Ayers? Where is the media coverage of McCain's CURRENT associations?

Posted by: trace1 | October 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I just saw John McCain lashing out at something -- oh yes, the possibility of voter fraud with news today about people being removed from the registration rolls in 6 swing states.

It came to me. John McCain reminds me of Nikita Kruschev, albeit a meaner version if you can imagine this. It seems that everytime John McCain hears something that he does not like, he pounds his fists and makes declarations. He is truly a scary character. I guess he is trying to show how concerned he is.

Posted by: EarlC | October 9, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Neighbours, if the economic problems are not bothering you; if the military situation in Iraq and Afghanistan is not concerning to you; and if you have the time to go to the Ayers issue...do not stop there...please continue your journey and look into Ms. Congeniality and husband's association to a secessionist party....The Alaskan Independence Party.

After that, go back to the economic issues and the wars...it is the war stupid, that is creating this economic imbalance...we cannot afford it any longer!!!

Posted by: PCM011 | October 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I just went on the Alaska Independence Party website. Wow. Lots of links to kooky Southern secessionist organizations which talk about the primacy of the Celtic-Anglo culture to America. Again, if Obama had given a speech at the convention of a party seeking secession from the United States, how much flak would he be getting? What if Michelle Obama had been a member of that party?

Posted by: NCKW | October 9, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, the DJIA just hit 8,785.08. There really are more important things going on than rehashing debunked character assaults on Obama. It really is beyond shameful that this is Ayers crude is more important to McCain/Palin than the life savings of retirees that are currently being flushed down the toilet.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

John McLiar is questioning someone else's honesty and integrity? C'mon, that's a joke, right?

Posted by: trace1 | October 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

AYERS? I thought that Palin & Co didn't want to be lookin to the past! My portfolio is down over 30%. I want an action plan. What are you going to do to solve this problem. If McCain isn't speaking to this issue, then I consider him part of the problem. Bailing out individual mortgages? Who will referee that BS -- what about all the "entrepreneurs" in Florida and Las Vegas that were flipping houses right and left. Are we helping them out? This disaster needs serious people talking about serious solutions. You Betcha. Check out hadnuf.com and look for wrinkly white-haired guy. That vid describes McCain's problem.

Posted by: bilco5 | October 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey, debils

It doesn't matter whether Obama or McCain has or hasn't the "executive experience".
Most public and business executives are thieves, charlatans, and losers, anyway: Carly Fiorina, Roger Smith, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Dan Rostenkowski, Richard Nixon, Charles Keating, Sarah Palin, the entire top management of Enron, Elliott Spitzer, Donald Rumsfeld...need I go on??

What's most important is whether and how fast and how well a man can learn and adapt to fluid political and economic situations.

Mental agility, analytic ability, epistemic flexibililty, confidence, abilty to surround himself with the best possible people, regardless of party affiliation, etc. - these are the requisite qualities for a president, and esp. American President.

My Eastern European grandma always said, "In life it is better to lose with a smart partner than to win with a fool. "

Who does it all apply to in this election?
The choice is quite obvious. Barack Obama.

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Posted by: VMR1 | October 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

You wish!

Gallup has Obama up by +11, with 52 to 41.
Rasmussen has Obama up by +5, with 50 to 45.

Both show 50%+ to Obama, and RCP has him averaging a 4 points from the last week of September.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who will believe that living close to Russia gives you foreign policy experience, will believe that Obama is a terrorist because he lives in the same neighborhood with a former terrorist. It actually makes sense to them, which is very scary and very sad.

Posted by: former-dc-resident | October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Liar, cheater, thief:

Obama's Campaign Donations Run Afoul Of Federal Rules An investigation of Obama’s presidential campaign finance reports has turned up more than 2,000 cases in which individuals have made donations far above the legal limit of $2,300 per election


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ACORN's Voter Registrations Under Investigation Employees of ACORN, are under investigation in Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, N. Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin since officials started noticing irregularities Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

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Archives Prove Obama Was A New Party Member Another piece in the puzzle of Obama has been revealed, greatly strengthening the picture of a man groomed by an older generation of radical leftists for insertion into the American political process American Thinker

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

What a very, very ugly and small country America has become. I am a non-American who for 8 years has witnessed this decline but who, for 8 years, has done business and earned my income from America. I am slowly but steadily decreasing my reliance on US based income: in effect, putting my money where my mouth is. Though most of the individuals and businesses I work with are decent, somehow, when listening to McCain, his spouse and Sarah Palin, I feel unwashed. The "shining city upon a hill" has gone dark, the "beacon-light" extinguished. What extremists and murderers could not do to American spirit and honour on 9/11, Bush, Cheney/Rumsfled/Wolfowitz and the GOP have done over the course of the past 8 years. John McCain has shown himself during this campaign not simply willing to perpetuate a culture of hatred but to prosecute it to its most repugnant extreme. The question needs to asked: if Americans have such open and bilious contempt for each other, how can you possibly expect any consideration from the rest of the world? (Oh, right; the rest of the world are leftist, pinko, socialist extremists and according to polls at least half the country doesn't give a rat's a.. about what we think.)

Posted by: theviewfromuphere | October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The "smoking gun" which the Times ignored is the funding via Obama as chariman of the Annenburg Challenge to "external partners" who then funded socially focused schools, including two of Ayers own educational facilities. The second gun is Obama and Ayers on the Woods Foundation which provided grants to Wright's Trinity Church.

Posted by: 5280sail | October 9, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Ayers is a communist."

Then why does one of the wealthiest capitalists in the world support both he and Senator Obama's charitable work?

"On Wednesday morning, John McCain's campaign released a list of 100 former ambassadors endorsing the GOP presidential nominee.

Second on the list, though her name is misspelled, is Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg. Ms. Annenberg was herself the "chief of protocol" at the State Department under President Reagan.

If the last name sounds familiar, it's because it also graces the name of the Chicago education board where Barack Obama and William Ayers sat in the room six times together.

In recent days, the McCain-Palin ticket (and particularly Palin) has faulted Obama for having served on that board with Ayers, who was a founding member of the radical 60's Weather Underground group when Obama was in grade school.

Since then, however, Ayers has been rehabilitated in Chicago society, carving out a niche in education circles. As a former Republican representative in Illinois told NPR on Monday, smearing Obama for his board association with Ayers is "nonsensical."

"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier ... It's ridiculous," Republican Rep. Diana Nelson said. "There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

Not this time:

Send the befuddled old Mad Hatter and his sidekick Moose Killer from Wasilla back to the dark ages that have stumbled out from.

Posted by: Luke2 | October 9, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

37th and O:
you know that law review editors don't typically WRITE THEIR OWN ARTICLES, right?

Law review editors citecheck and bluebook other scholar's works, and sometimes include comments and notes of their own.

You're really pulling at straws to claim that Obama hasn't written a LAW REVIEW ARTICLE, because that's not what law review editors are supposed to or entitled to do.

Your ignorance of this NOT SO LITTLE FACT is astounding. Don't go pointing fingers if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: chitown | October 9, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Latest poll result in Colorado:

McCain --- 67%
Obama --- 33%

Posted by: hclark1 | October 9, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Jobs are being lost, homes are being taken back by lenders, and the global economy is reeling. And the only thing we're hearing from John McCain and Sarah Palin is Bill Ayers? The effort to tar Barack Obama with Bill Ayers would be comical if it were not so pathetic.

Now is the time for John McCain and Sarah Palin to show leadership. The time for attack by association is long gone.

Posted by: ANetliner | October 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually, voter registration fraud - quite a different matter than actual voting fraud. The only impact of voter registration fraud is to artificially inflate registration numbers. Batman and the Lone Ranger, if registered in Nevada, will not be able to vote on November 4.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 9, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The racist rant by the poster "37thandO" that Obama took a place at Harvard Law School (from a white person) but never became a lawyer is not only a racist rant but also a lie. Obama practiced law full time for 4 years at the Chicago firm Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Gallard, spending most of his time on litigation relating to civil rights and voting rights. 37thandO, why did you LIE?

Posted by: continental46@aol.com | October 9, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...I wonder where all these comments about Senator Obama not being able to speak without a teleprompter are?

Anyway - As President of the Law Review, Senator Obama served as EDITOR of the Review, not a contributor - there is no expectation that he would write for the Review. He edited submissions to the Review - (For those of you who aren't quite sure what an editor might do)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 9, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcpsychic | October 9, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

the National Guard killed

KIDS in KENT STATE

OHIO for being terrists

first

Posted by: grandstreetfund | October 9, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

What does it say about Sarah Palin, a “so-called evangelical Christian,” who:

(1) Attacks another professing Christian, Barak Obama.

(2) Continually smears another US citizen, William Ayers, who has turned his life around in a manner not unlike ALL Christians who have done wrong, been deemed sinners, repented and accepted Christ and turned their lives around.

(3) Attacks and smears a highly respected Christian leader in Jeremiah Wright.

(4) Continuously LIES and consequently DIVIDES this nation at a crucial time when UNITY is needed.

What is says to me is that she will say and do ANYTHING to earn 30 pieces of silver, including selling her own soul and even the souls of some of her own flesh and blood, and finally it tells me that she is not fit for leadership in this great nation.

Posted by: valskeet | October 9, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

SARAH PALIN BRINGS INCITEMENT, NOT EXCITEMENT, TO THE 2008 CAMPAIGN

What will be the effects of Sarah Palin's Big Lie techniques--claiming the Democrats wave "the white flag of surrender" when the country is at war, and that Barack Obama "pals around" with terrorists?

Violence on the part of gun-toting crazies?

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | October 9, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

ACORN, ACORN, ACORN, ACORN, ACORN and only one MSM today is carrying a story about a twelve state federal voter fraud investigation. News suppression from the Obama media team. However there is always YouTube. The economy may be floating Obama's boat right now. An $800,000 payment to ACORN may sink it.

Posted by: 5280sail | October 9, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse


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A great deal has been said of Obama as head of the Harvard Law Review - however the evidence is that he was voted into that position because the people thought it would be "cool" to have a black in there, not because he was more qualified than the other students.


Having said that, Obama NEVER wrote for the Harvard Law Review.


There is NOT ONE ARTICLE WRITTEN BY OBAMA IN THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW.

There is a pattern of Obama getting positions or jobs through affirmative action and then NOT doing those jobs.


1) First, he took a position in the class at Harvard Law School (from a white student) however Obama NEVER became a lawyer,


2) Obama became head of the Harvard Law Review, however Obama NEVER wrote a law review article.


3) Obama became a State Senator however Obama RARELY voted yes or not, voting present many many times - Emil Jones placed Obama's name on numerous bills which were Emil's work, and Obama took credit for Emil's work because someone decided that Obama was going to be pushed forward.


4) Obama was selected to be the Chairman of the SubCommittee to review NATO's role in Afghanistan however Obama NEVER held any hearings of this SubCommittee.


5) Obama was elected to the US Senator, however instead of doing his job as a Senator Obama went on a book tour and started a campaign for President - HOW MUCH TIME HAS HE REALLY SPENT ACTUALLY BEING A SENATOR ???


Sorry However NONE OF THIS IS IMPRESSIVE. In fact, it is rather sad.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 9, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"The great constitutional scholar Biden cited Article I of the Constitution as proof that Cheney "works in the executive branch" and has "no authority relative to the Congress." Biden huffily added: "He should understand that. Everyone should understand that."

Palin would have had to deny that Alaska is a state in the union in order to say something comparably stupid. "

Mixing up articles of the Constitution is the same as denying Alaska is a state.

I'll let everyone decide for himself what they think of that.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 9, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I would have thought a big part of this story (with the headline "Problems with the Ayers Attack") is that the person leading the attack has much more recent, and MUCH more substantial, ties to a radical political group that advocates hatred of the federal govt and secession from the US.

Chris, honestly, why dont you mention that as one of the problems the McCain campaign will have in pursuing this line of attack?

Posted by: ssergio | October 9, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

" Everybody, Mccain/Palin are slipping in the polls so we have to read what Mccain wants to talk about because this election isn't about the American people its about Mccain/Palin trying to get traction in their campaign through personal attacks and no solutions to the crisis were facing.

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 9, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

King of Zouk. Don't know where your source pulled its data but it certainly doesnet jibe with what I recollected and what is available on other sites.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/chart3way.html

Bush took lead over Kerry in national polls shortly after convention and never relinquished it.

Posted by: army164 | October 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have any information about John McCain's medical history that would shed light on whether he has had his backbone and manly parts removed?

The question comes to mind after his wife, Cindy, and running mate, "Siss-Boom-Bah" Sarah Palin have made the most scurrilous Big Lie-type attacks against Barack Obama.

Yet on the night of the face-to-face debate, John McCain could only bleat out a tinny "That One," but showed no stomach--intestinal fortitude--for bringing up the McCarthyite Ayers, et. al. nonsense.

(Ayers being that guy who was funded by the foundation of a Ronald Reagan friend.)

Rumor has it if you look behind the skirts of Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin, even today you can see John McCain peeking out like Alfred E. Neuman.

Not very presidential.

Or manly.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | October 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The Ayers attack is the last, wheezy gasp of a campaign that literally has nothing else to use. The Republicans can't win on the issues-- the last eight years have seen a catastrophic loss of American power (military, political, moral and economic), due chiefly to Bush's flawed and misguided policies-- so they have to win by attacking Obama and boosting McCain's dubious credentials.
Is anyone else sick of the misleading "maverick" label McPalin has trademarked? Is there anything less honest than calling someone an independent when they voted with Bush 90% of the time?
No, Ayers is a sideshow and one that will not resonate with the public. We have bigger fish to fry-- and McCain is tossing minnows on the barbecue.

Posted by: dbitt | October 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Murtagh believes the relationships between Barack, his wife, Michelle, Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine, goes back 30 years, to Michelle's time at Sidley Austin, the famous Washington, D.C., law firm that also employed Bernardine Dohrn."

Thirty years?? Really? So Michelle Obama had graduated from Harvard and was practicing law when she was fourteen years old? Wow, what a prodigy. She's even smarter and more accomplished than I thought.

Posted by: greyparrot | October 9, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

" I find it simply grotesque that Mayor Daily, (sic) the Annenbergs, the Univ. of Chicago,(sic) are willing to sit down, either professionally or socially with these creatures."

"creatures?"

Jesus would have sat down with these "creatures." They are called human beings- whether you agree with them or not.

William Ayers was a distinguished profesor at the University of Illinois when Senator Obama sat on a charity board with him. Ayers has devoted his whole life to first, trying (wrongly by violent tactics) to stop the killing in Viet-Nam- and then realizing that violence is just as wrong on both sides, has worked the rest of his life trying to improve education in his community.

What type of Christian teaches hate and unforgiveness towards their fellow human beings?

Ayers has forgiven the people he opposed for killing 2,000,000 Vietnamese, and being responsible for getting over 50,000 of our own troops killed. He has led a model life for the last forty years.

I say McCain and Palin exhibit the worst in American society. They are preaching fear, hate, and division.

These are the symptoms of sick minded,crippled and desperate people.

Not this time.

Viet-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 9, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

dr willy, Obama has announced he will appoint Ayers as Secretary of Education, not because he knows him or wrote books with him or that he gave him his start in politics, it is becasue he is just some guy from around the neighborhood.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I really can't believe were still talking about Ayers. This is ridiculous. A whole week, were talking about Ayers because Mccain is behind in the polls. Wow!! What new information did Mccain have about this old story we heard during the primaries? Nothing.

Posted by: amosdefnails | October 9, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Actually, according to Real Clear Politics, Bush began a lead in the polls that then became a commanding lead at this point in the race, and Kerry never recovered. This was largely due to swift-boat advertisements and Bush being an incumbent during a time of war.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/chart3way.html

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

King_of_zouk

chiding Obama:

"'only a few percent of small businesses'" will get taxed when 663,000 small enterprises are in the top 5%."

Exactly - they're in the top 5% - a small percentage!

Any small business making a PROFIT (remember only profit is taxed) of more than $250k/year is doing just fine.

Posted by: biercuk | October 9, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

My question to all the McCain supporters is, if Obama should be held accountable for his association with Ayers, why shouldn't John McCain be equally held accountable for the past 8 years? McCain has agreed with Bush over 90% of the time and has had a close association with the Bush administration. If we are to use the McCain campaign's criteria, then a McCain presidency would just be another 'Bush policies and administration INCARNATE'. And, since the McCain camp doesn't appear to believe that Ayers can change, are we to believe that McCain is still that lying, cheating adulterer he was when he cheated on his first wife with the current Cindy McCain? McCain really showed his good, honest, thoughtful, experienced judgement by having an affair. If McCain is not that same person, then what does the Obama/Ayers connection really mean? People change, McCain changed, right? I find it very sad that the McCain camp is using the same old stepford Republican dirty, 'let's make the people fear Obama' politics and tactics that seem to keep getting Republicans elected. Do we really need that same type of Republican party in control of our government, even just 1 year? This is the party that has brought our country to economic ruin and made us lose the respect America once had globally. Wake up Republicans! Obama/Ayers is not your problem...McCain/Palin/Bush are your problems. America's future and the very heart and soul of America is at stake, and you, John McCain, is not what this country needs...not now...not ever!

Posted by: alesterp | October 9, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association: let's include George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Phil Gramm, and Charles Keating. But this isn't helping to solve our economic problems, is it. McCain has gone from erratic to irrelevant.

Posted by: maxfli68 | October 9, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow, zouk. Where do I begin?

Compare your map of 10/9/04 with today's map from the same site:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Notice anything?

Today's map is a lot bluer.

Need more? Look at the list of polls on the '04 page. The biggest lead Kerry had was 4 points.

Now look at RCP:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

The SMALLEST lead Obama has is 3.

Posted by: cam8 | October 9, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

King_of_zouk

Your post is broad and ludicrous. I offer only one rebuttal.

Reading Article I of the US Constitution does provide input about the role of the Vice President as member of the Legislative Branch.

" The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.

The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the office of President of the United States. "

That's it.

The Constitution explicitly says that while the VP is President of the Senate, he/she "shall have no vote," except in the event of a tie.

So, Article I does provide insight, and while you mention the VP is always President of the Senate, the only power granted to the VP is casting a tie-breaking vote.

Perhaps it's you who needs to read the Constitution.

Posted by: biercuk | October 9, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign has decided that McCain's biography as a war hero, experienced lawmaker and "straight-talking maverick" is insufficient to close a growing gap with Obama...anotherwords McCain is admitting that he's getting his arse handed to him on a silver platter and he's scared to death.


Focus on Judgement - Honesty and Personal Ties?


Let's look at them one by one:


Judgement: Barack Obama chose as his running mate Joe Biden. John McCain chose as his running mate Sarah Pailin. John McCain's campaign is erratically bouncing from one crisis to the next. Barack Obama's organization is running with precision, effectiveness that has never before been seen in a Presidential campaign. In contrast McCain's organization (excuse the oxymoron) has been a slow motion train wreck. "High drama" would be the best way to describe McCain's out of control campaign.
Obama is cool in a crisis. McCain has a hair trigger.


Honesty: Barack Obama is probably the most transparent politician to arrive on the scene in the last 200 years. He has written two best selling biographies. Note here: Obama wrote his books himself. McCain used a ghost writer. Obama has already survived the scrutiny of a protracted primary campaign against one of the most powerful political organizations ever. John McCain hides his medical records, his wife's tax returns and continually distorts his voting record.


Personal Ties: There are no personal ties that Obama has that have not been scrutinized and responded to (thank you Hillary!) Most of them are foolish anyway. McCain's personal ties are still a ticking time bomb. Phil Graham and the architects of this mess of an economy we find ourselves in. They are McCain's "personal ties" not Obama's. No one gives a damn about Bill Ayers, especially when they can't afford to pay for gas, food and their mortgage etc.


But more than all that, going NEGATIVE will no longer work. America has seen the "leaders" brought to us by Atwater and Rove and their NEGATIVE campaigns and they are are SICK of it. America is HUNGRY for positive leaders and see that possibility with Barack Obama. All the Mud and Smears that McCain and his cronies are going to throw at Obama will in the old schoolyard saying ... Bounce off Obama and take McCain down.


McCain better take a long hard look in the mirror before he starts bringing up Judgement, Honesty and Personal Ties:
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004?f=h_top
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And you too, Palin:
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/another-aip-off.html
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse


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A great deal has been said of Obama as head of the Harvard Law Review - however the evidence is that he was voted into that position because the people thought it would be "cool" to have a black in there, not because he was more qualified than the other students.


Having said that, Obama NEVER wrote for the Harvard Law Review.


There is NOT ONE ARTICLE WRITTEN BY OBAMA IN THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW.

There is a pattern of Obama getting positions or jobs through affirmative action and then NOT doing those jobs.


1) First, he took a position in the class at Harvard Law School (from a white student) however Obama NEVER became a lawyer,


2) Obama became head of the Harvard Law Review, however Obama NEVER wrote a law review article.


3) Obama became a State Senator however Obama RARELY voted yes or not, voting present many many times - Emil Jones placed Obama's name on numerous bills which were Emil's work, and Obama took credit for Emil's work because someone decided that Obama was going to be pushed forward.


4) Obama was selected to be the Chairman of the SubCommittee to review NATO's role in Afghanistan however Obama NEVER held any hearings of this SubCommittee.


5) Obama was elected to the US Senator, however instead of doing his job as a Senator Obama went on a book tour and started a campaign for President - HOW MUCH TIME HAS HE REALLY SPENT ACTUALLY BEING A SENATOR ???


Sorry However NONE OF THIS IS IMPRESSIVE. In fact, it is rather sad.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 9, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest here...how many of us actually know a terrorist, let alone would accept an invitation to his home?

As amazing as it is that Sen. Obama would do this, it's even more amazing that millions of voters are okay with this, and are going to give him yet another pass.

Posted by: PASpilman | October 9, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Reality finally does catch up.

15,000,000 more DEMS this year than the rich white folk party

and Independents don't seem thrilled with the MOUNTY with lipstick and the old dipstick

Posted by: grandstreetfund | October 9, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Nobama is not an economist. He is a lawyer or a liar, so why and how do you think Nobama would fix the economy, but not further screw the economy up?????

Nobama's economics advisors are the ex-CEO of Fredie and Fannie. These folks are contrubuted heavily to this financial mess. How and why should we trust them to get us out of this mess???????

Don't be fool Nobama's followers


Nobama

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

=========================================

I would like to know who it is that you are referring to specifically, because I have read this ex-CEO of Fannie and Freddie before in blogs, but a name is always absent, and I have not found this to be true. Check for yourself: http://econ4obama.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-economic-advisors-and-economic.html

McCain's economic advisory panel, however, is terrifying when thinking about the current crisis of this country.

Phil Graham, is by far the most famous, and a man that he has referred to on many occasions as an economic genius. This is the same guy who said that we were not heading into a recession and that the American people are just a bunch of "whiners" who need to get over it and deal when then economy slows down. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands that have lost their jobs.

Another one of his advisers is Kevin Hassett, the man that predicted the DJIA would keep climbing after Y2K and keep going without stopping reaching 36000 sometime this decade. Whoops!

Another adviser, Carlie Fiorina, the ex-CEO of HP, who sank the company with a strategy of converting a printing company into a computer company. She wasn't just ousted, she would booted with fireworks due to her complete failure to steward the company. Additionally, this is the person that said neither McCain or Palin had the knowledge or experience to run a corporation. (She has since disappeared from her surrogate post.)

Then there is Nancy Pfotenhauer, an oil industry exec.

Doug Holtz-Eakin is another, and this is the guy that stated McCain had a hand in the invention of the Blackberry.

Finally, I will just stop after this, because you get my point, and this one is by far the best, Arthur Laffer. This guy believes that the government will get more money in its coffers if you don't tax people. The less you tax, the more money the government has to spend. In other words, he believe that zero equals 110. No wonder John McCain thinks giving $340 billion in tax breaks to the wealthy during a time of two wars and an huge economic downturn makes sense.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Remember that President John Kerry was in a similar lead at about this time four years ago. when the time came to do the deed, the voters just couldn't bring themselves to ruin the nation."


except that Obama is leading by more, and is also leading in FL, VA, NV, NH and CO...

He is not running against an incumbent, as Kerry was.

McCain is finished.

Posted by: jmp66 | October 9, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Ayers is a communist."

Then why does one of the wealthiest capitalists in the world support both he and Senator Obama's charitable work?

"On Wednesday morning, John McCain's campaign released a list of 100 former ambassadors endorsing the GOP presidential nominee.

Second on the list, though her name is misspelled, is Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg. Ms. Annenberg was herself the "chief of protocol" at the State Department under President Reagan.

If the last name sounds familiar, it's because it also graces the name of the Chicago education board where Barack Obama and William Ayers sat in the room six times together.

In recent days, the McCain-Palin ticket (and particularly Palin) has faulted Obama for having served on that board with Ayers, who was a founding member of the radical 60's Weather Underground group when Obama was in grade school.

Since then, however, Ayers has been rehabilitated in Chicago society, carving out a niche in education circles. As a former Republican representative in Illinois told NPR on Monday, smearing Obama for his board association with Ayers is "nonsensical."

"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier ... It's ridiculous," Republican Rep. Diana Nelson said. "There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

Posted by: Luke2 | October 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The great Obama irony to me is authoring two autobiographical works from a fairly airy, if unusual, life while leaving so few life tracks that can be independently varified. Until reading Cashill's piece in American Thinker (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html), "audacity" had sufficed for me as explanation.

The prospect of William Ayer's being his ghost writer surfaces the distinctly more sinister possibility of these books intentially reconstructing an Obama reality devoid of particular obstacles. William Ayers is clever enough to conceive such conspiratorial scheme, particular following example from Hollywood, as a means of access to political power denied him by his own radical past.

What obstacles? Perhaps Constitutional ones as alleged in Berg vs. Obama filed by Hillary supporter Phillip Berg and currently working its way through federal court. (See pleadings at: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/).

Ergo: "Read my books. You don't need no stinking birth certificate!" I don't much like conspiracy theory. But when it comes to vetting Obama, it seems the press has bought his story, book, line, and sinker.

Posted by: drwilly | October 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Repubs say Aryes, we say Liddy and Singlaub.

Repubs say Rezko, we say Keating.

Smear tactics, and quilt by association merely lowers the level of debate, it isn't going to change anything in the end.

This is a sorry, desperate, last gasp attempt by McCain to stop the imploding of his campaign

Posted by: dcwsano | October 9, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

VMR1,
I think mbreit2 was thinking about Singapore, where the Education system is top line, and everybody has a better-than-most standard of life.

Posted by: fernando1958 | October 9, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Martinedwinandersen...
I've been wondering about that too. How come McCain is sending the women out to do his dirty work? Maybe it's customary for a guy who once dropped bombs on people from high in the sky, to not want to look at his "enemy."

Posted by: joy2 | October 9, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Mayor Richard Daley and any number of high politicos are also ...what communist, socialist, or what? Is Ayers on the run? Is he wanted by any law enforcement officers? This conversation points out how the Nazi's came to power.

Posted by: october30 | October 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

To give any credibility to the McCain/Palin ludicrous lies is beneath contempt. McCain is bankrupt, he knows he is outclassed, otsmarted, by a candidate who is better than him, more intelligent, and more presidential. So where does a person like McCain, who feels entitled to the office, turn? To lies, race baiting and appealing to the darkest, lowest, and stupidest in our society: the racist bigots. Well let McCain and Palin feed them the red meat they hunger for...these idiots would not have voted for Obama anyway...but the smart, true Americans could see through this idiocy, more than the main stream media, and Obama will win in a landslide. The worry is for Obama's personal safety, as the morons McCain and Palin continue to foment the hatred in the racist extremists.

Posted by: castillomark | October 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Maps/Oct09.html

today in history

President Kerry ahead in EC. narrow lead in national polls. Libs very confident of his winning ways and extreme leftism.

I'm pretty sure Al Snore was way out in front too.

something about reality catching up just in time is faintly reassuring.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

mbreit2

The root of your criminal insanity is that
you actually believed in the bullcrap American mythology, WHILE ALREADY AN ADULT!
You've thoroughly misunderstood the game.
See, American spirit, American freedom, American exceptionalism, American Constitution, American religion, American Revolution, American ethics, apple pie, Bonanza, It's a Wonderful Life - this is all a pile of crap.

America has one value and one religion - the Almighty Dollar.

Those who figured it out earliest are all rich now and they aren't tearing their hair out trying to figure out how to pay the bills. In fact, it is they who own your job, which they exported to India or China, it is they who own your house, and it is they who own your elected representatives, etc.

Worse comes to worst, they'll just pick up their gold certificates, their Swiss Franc denominated bearer bonds, their offshore account numbers and move to Mallorca or Luxembourg, or Canada, or the Seychelles, or Costa Rica. While you and I will be stuck here with millions of Joe Sixpacks, all armed to the teeth and VERY pissed.

Posted by: VMR1 | October 9, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Thank God McSame is Attacking a Teacher and War Hater..He hate education and peace

Posted by: grandstreetfund | October 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Despite the pressing economic issues and people's real daily concerns in their life, McCain with his "dudette" Palin can only muster misguided personal attacks on Obama??

It also appears that McCain has the women making the nasty attacks and he is hiding behind their skirts.

McCain and "dudette" Palin are projecting the image that they are beyond reproach; the public and media must accept what they say, coupled with the notion that they are the appointed heirs to the White House.

Hence, the election is a formality for their coronation.

Hopefully, they will surface to realities when they find that the electorate have other options on November 04, 2008 to send then elsewhere than to the White House.

Posted by: NorthernPolarBear | October 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Journalists caught up in a reverie of Barack Obama never seem to get the point of political associations. They think people have to be friends or large donors in order to be political influences. Many journalists will print or say anything to justify their man. Obama is a master at misdirection. And his supporters blindly follow. Example: you say, explain your association with Ayers. BO, or his campaign, gasps and says that the question is either an unfounded attack or a complete joke because Obama and Ayers aren’t personally close, and that what Ayers did happened when Obama was only 8 years old. Both of these statements are true, but they do not even come close to answering the intent of question. Next, they completely shift the focus of the discussion with horror stories about home foreclosures.

The Ayers question isn’t being asked so someone can write a history book, blog or wiki. The intent of the question is to determine how closely BO’s personal ideals match Ayers’. Ayers, himself, believes in and supports Obama’s agendas. My chief concern and unknown about Obama is the direction he will take our country as President. BO’s record clearly illustrates a significantly different ideology and direction than the one stated on the campaign trail. Has he somehow morphed in to someone new? Maybe he’s been possessed. The fact is he hasn’t changed or been possessed by a demon. He is skillfully implementing tactic 101 from his time with ACORN. He is charming, charismatic and very good in his ability to manipulate a situation through divisive means. He believes in radical socialism. His voting record and ties with Ayers and ACORN show that his ideology is in lock step with theirs.

Obama was involved in Project Vote and ACORN. ACORN is short for “Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now”. Remember, Obama's limited resume is based on him being a Community Organizer. Well, guess where that was. He quickly rose to acclaim in Chicago through Project Vote (a division of ACORN). He then became a trainer within ACORN promoting methods involving radical attacks on institutions that disagreed with his socialist ideals. Just to be clear, this the same group that is regularly involved in election fraud across the country. They were in the news today. They have this nasty habit of coercing people into voting for democrats sympathetic to their cause. Does anyone actually believe that Obama isn't sympathetic to ACORN? He mentions them directly and indirectly in just about every speech he makes.

Obama’s ideology will be his guiding force during his term in office. Anyone that believes he will reduce taxes and cut government spending all while engaging in the fair redistribution of wealth is in a word an acorn.

Always keep in mind this simple truth: BO Stinks.

Posted by: bfranklin2 | October 9, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

When will we see this investigated?

Thursday, February 7th, 2008
A former Vietnam veteran with top secret clearance says he has
personally spoken to numerous POW's who dispute John McCain's claim that
he refused to provide information after he was captured and tortured in
Hanoi, saying that in fact McCain's code-name was "Songbird" because of
his willingness to tell all to avoid torture.
Jack McLamb served nine years in secret operations in Cambodia and other
nations before going on to become one of the most highly decorated
police officer's in Phoenix history, winning police officer of the year
twice before taking a role as a hostage negotiator for the FBI.
"I know a lot of Vietnam veterans and a few POW's and all the POW's that
I've talked to over the years say that John McCain is a lying skunk,"
McLamb told the Alex Jones Show.
"He never was tortured - they were there in the camp with him and then
when he came in....he immediately started spilling his guts about
everything because he didn't want to get tortured," said McLamb,
contradicting the official story that McCain only offered his name,
rank, serial number, and date of birth.
"The Vietnamese Communists called him the Songbird, that's his code
name, Songbird McCain, because he just came into the camp singing and
telling them everything they wanted to know," said McLamb.
McLamb said the POW's told him that McCain had sustained two broken arms
and a leg injury from not pulling his arms in when he bailed out of his
A-4 Skyhawk that was shot down over the Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.
The POW's said that McCain made 32 propaganda videos for the communist
North Vietnamese in which he denounced America for what they were doing
in Vietnam.
"They have these sealed now, our government has these sealed, we can't
get to it, they have it classified," said McLamb, adding that in truth
"the POW's hate John McCain."
It is commonly accepted that McCain was treated better than other POW's
and afforded medical care immediately after the North Vietnamese
discovered that his father was a top admiral.
Several Vietnam veterans groups do solely exist to expose McCain's
abandonment of veteran's interests as well as his lies about being
tortured, including Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain and U.S.
Veteran Dispatch.
Doubts over McCain's alleged war hero status and his support to curtail
efforts to look for missing POW's contributed to torpedoing his
presidential campaign in 2000 and those same questions will undoubtedly
surface again should the Senator win the Republican nomination.

Posted by: met701-hotmail | October 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

" I find it simply grotesque that Mayor Daily, (sic) the Annenbergs, the Univ. of Chicago,(sic) are willing to sit down, either professionally or socially with these creatures."

"creatures?"

Jesus would have sat down with these "creatures." They are called human beings- whether you agree with them or not.

William Ayers was a distinguished profesor at the University of Illinois when Senator Obama sat on a charity board with him. Ayers has devoted his whole life to first, trying (wrongly by violent tactics) to stop the killing in Viet-Nam- and then realizing that violence is just as wrong on both sides, has worked the rest of his life trying to improve education in his community.

What type of Christian teaches hate and unforgiveness towards their fellow human beings?

Ayers has forgiven the people he opposed for killing 2,000,000 Vietnamese, and being responsible for getting over 50,000 of our own troops killed. He has led a model life for the last forty years.

I say McCain and Palin exhibit the worst in American society. They are preaching fear, hate, and division.

These are the symptoms of sick minded,crippled and desperate people.

Not this time.

Viet-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

OK, Zouk, this'll be kinda fun.

"For example, Biden said about Hezbollah: "When we kicked -- along with France -- we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon." Hezbollah was never kicked out of Lebanon."

You're right. He mispoke (code for was flat wrong). He meant Syria, which had to pull its troops out of Lebanon recently.

"He continued: "I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't, Hezbollah will control it.'" This is madness -- Lebanon is not a NATO country, nor had any NATO country been attacked by Lebanon."

Neither is Afghanistan. [The Taliban hosted Al Qaeda.] Neither is Bosnia-Herzegovina. Neither is Kosovo. All with NATO troops.

"Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of the Constitution."

It's a shame Cheney was. He must have been smoking something fine when he invented an entirely NEW branch of government indpendent of others and authority.

"In one especially hallucinatory answer, Biden authoritatively stated: "With Afghanistan, facts matter, Gwen. ... We spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country.""

Facts matter, Zouk. The answer refers to money spent in development, not combat. His answer was too cute by half, but accurate. And by the way, there are 19 9's in 172 (plus 1 1).

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The Ayers connection is pertinent to the current economic scene. Mr. Ayers is a communist (or so the Weather Underground were, and Mr. Ayers has yet to recant their beliefs), and whether this country is prepared for a communist, or communist-sympathizing president to lead us through this economic quagmire is more than an appropriate question.

Whether or not Sen. Obama is a close or casual associate of Mr. Ayers' is not to the point. The relevant question is how nearly the two men's politics agree, and here one may make some reasonable guesses.

Mr. Ayers has been candid in affirming his belief that the bombings in which he participated were justified and good. There is no basis upon which to believe that Mr. Ayers can or does find political common cause with anyone whose politics are less radical than his own - one whose beliefs are strong enough to justify the possibility of murder is unlikely to welcome tepid support. That Mr. Ayers so far approves of Sen. Obama's politics that he would lend his home in their support supports the proposition that Sen. Obama's politics are no less radical than Mr. Ayers'.

Posted by: dryrunfarm1 | October 9, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"

WOW.
WOW.
WOW.

West Virginia.

Obama leads by EIGHT!!!

West Virginia!

WOW!
WOW!
WOW!"


Are you sure you don't mean Virginia?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 9, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Palin would have had to deny that Alaska is a state in the union in order to say something comparably stupid."

It didn't take the libs to bring Palin down. All she had to do was open her mouth. Palin did more damage for the Republicans, then McCain and Davis.

Posted by: insideman | October 9, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

to all the Republican trolls like KingofZouk et. al:

this is not like 2004. At all. Americans HATE Republicans now, and their ideology of Bad Governance. So much so that the candidates can not even bring themselves to say the name of their party.

Posted by: jmp66 | October 9, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Of course, this whole Ayers thing is meant as a complete distraction from the real issues. Still, if anybody in the campaigns can rightfully be called a terrorist, it's Todd Palin.

Look at the Alaska Independence Party's FAQ from 2006:
http://www.akip.org/faqs.html

"However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline."

And read even more about the group's anti-American stance in the Salon article:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/

So when are we going to see Todd Palin put on trial?

Posted by: squealermusic | October 9, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It is comical reading the uninformed RNC/McCain Campaign Talking Point, Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News distributed talking point non-sense "The deliberate subversion of our financial system by Obama, Frank, and executives from Fannie and Freddie as well as the greedy CEOs from Wall Street who joined in the party must be investigated by the FBI and every one of them prosecuted and brought to justice."

WRONG!!! Republican deregulatory orthoxy as preached by Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43 and now McCain and enacted into policy by Alan Greenspan created, exacerbated and enabled the current financial crisis.

The Commodities Futures Modernization Act, written by McCain's economic brain, Phil Gramm - R-TX, specifically barred SEC oversight of derivative contracts such as credit default swaps. If such instruments are such a wonderful tool, why did Gramm and other deregulatory Republicans demand and write into law that they NOT BE MONITORED by the SEC and the Commodities Futures Trading Commission. Phil Gramm slipped the CFMA into a 10,000 page appropriations bill that Clinton signed. If the CFMA was such a great thing, why wasn't it debated in committees that were led by Republicans in a Republican majority Congress?

“In retrospect, the tragedy is that the 2004 rule making gave us the ability to get information that would have been critical to sensible monitoring, and yet the S.E.C. didn’t oversee well enough,” Mr. Goldschmid said in an interview.p

Republican appointed regulators FAILING to do their jobs to monitor the markets and protect the public interest.

Over the years, Mr. Greenspan helped enable an ambitious American experiment in letting market forces run free. Now, the nation is confronting the consequences.

For more than a decade, Greenspan has fiercely objected whenever derivatives have come under scrutiny in Congress or on Wall Street.

Time and again, Mr. Greenspan — a revered figure affectionately nicknamed the Oracle — proclaimed that risks could be handled by the markets themselves.

Greenspan "Risks in financial markets, including derivatives markets, are being regulated by private parties. There is nothing involved in federal regulation per se which makes it superior to market regulation.”

SEC Chairman Chris Cox, "“The last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work,”

“It’s a fair criticism of the Bush administration that regulators have relied on many voluntary regulatory programs,” said Roderick M. Hills, a Republican S.E.C. Chair under President Ford. “The problem with such voluntary programs is that, as we’ve seen throughout history, they often don’t work.”

Arthur Levitt Jr., a former chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, says Mr. Greenspan opposes regulating derivatives because of a fundamental disdain for government.

"A fundamental disdain for government", just like Reagan, the Bushes and John McCain.

Greenspan continually fought regulation of the derivatives market, the implosion of which is what is causing the crash of the global economy. His insistence on maintaining low interest rates in the name of battling inflation is what caused the credit bubble that led to housing boom.

Warren E. Buffett presciently observed five years ago that derivatives were “financial weapons of mass destruction, carrying dangers that, while now latent, are potentially lethal.”

Theoretically intended to limit risk and ward off financial problems, the contracts instead have stoked uncertainty and actually spread risk amid doubts about how companies value them.

If Mr. Greenspan had acted differently during his tenure as Federal Reserve chairman from 1987 to 2006, many economists say, the current crisis might have been averted or muted.

“The sudden failure or abrupt withdrawal from trading of any of these large U.S. dealers could cause liquidity problems in the markets and could also pose risks to others, including federally insured banks and the financial system as a whole,” Charles A. Bowsher, head of the accounting office, said when he testified before Mr. Markey’s committee in 1994. “In some cases intervention has and could result in a financial bailout paid for or guaranteed by taxpayers.”

A taxpayer bailout just like we're experiencing now.

Phil Gramm admitted that large portion of the CFMA bill was written by Enron lobbyists. I'm sure everyone remembers Enron - home of Bush buddy Ken Lay and Phil Gramm's wife, Wendy and MAJOR Republican Contributor (far and away more than Fannie/Freddy) - writing Republican legislation to prevent transparent markets and oversight by regulatory agencies. This legislation nearly bankrupted the State of California and cost California electricity consumers hundred of millions of dollars in bogus charges enabled by Phil Gramm's, CFMA and the lack of transparency in the trading markets. The State of CA sued Enron for unfair market manipulation but Enron's implosion for its fantasy bookkeeping enabled by Republican Deregulation and the lack of transparency into the marketplace from Phil Gramm, prevented the St of CA from collecting damages.

Incidentally, the "Enron Loophole" as it's know colloquially, was repealed in legislation written by Senator Carl Levin, D-MI, and since it came into force in June 08, gasoline prices have decline by 40% as have oil prices, partially because traders have had to reveal their trading positions and the markets are now fairly regulated so that raw speculators have been driven out. Demand for petroleum products in China and India, blamed by oil traders for the high prices, is still high in those countries and yet prices have decreased by 40%. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: flyfishchef | October 9, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I used to work with a guy that was part of what would be considered a "domestic terrorist attack" in his youth. I hung out with him for a while before I ever learned of it. Even afterward, who he was at that point in time, had evolved from the lessons he learned from the time when his judgement was lacking. He had grown and was wiser with quite acute judgement.

I agreed with his ideology, but certainly not his methodology. Our lives have gone in separate directions, but I recently came across information about him on the web accidentally. He is quite the productive member of society and has done much to contribute positively towards solutions to global climatic shift. I believe who he is now has everything to do with what he had done previously, and his desire to change his imprint on the planet.

I assume that whatever relationship Obama Has with this guy is similar. IT is based on who he is now, and what he learned along the way.

and mccain hasn't got much room to talk about character anyway. people who live in glass houses....

Posted by: waterfairee | October 9, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have any information about John McCain's medical history that would shed light on whether he has had his spine and manly parts removed?

The question comes to mind after his wife, Cindy, and running mate, "Siss-Boom-Bah" Sarah Palin have made the most scurrilous Big Lie-type attacks against Barack Obama.

Yet on the night of the debate, John McCain could only bleat out a tinny "That One," but showed no stomach--intestinal fortitude--for bringing up the McCarthyite Ayers, et. al. nonsense.

(Ayers being that guy who was funded by the foundation of a Ronald Reagan friend.)

Rumor has it if you look behind the skirts of Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin, even today you can see John McCain peeking out like Alfred E. Neuman.

Not very presidential.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | October 9, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

garygelormino1 You Are My Hero For Today!! =)

Posted by: celestebluedawn | October 9, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

So, exactly what is causing McCain’s poll numbers to plummet? Why is Senator Barack Obama’s campaign leaning toward a landslide? I have three simple reasons for you; the debates, Governor Sarah Palin and McCain’s own actions for the past 3 weeks.


Voters remember hearing earlier this year McCain say that government should not be helping people that are losing their homes because of bad judgments. They remember hearing and seeing McCain say not once but several times, "The fundamentals of the economy are fine."


Voters saw how McCain reacted to the bailout story. They saw that it was Senator Obama that approached McCain first, to ask about getting together and agreeing on a few criteria for a possible bailout. They saw how McCain waited almost six hours before responding to Obama’s phone call, only to go before the press to claim he was suspending his campaign to go back to Washington to help solve the bailout issue.


Voters also saw McCain say that he wanted to delay the first debate before the American people, claiming he wanted to give his undivided attention to the bailout bill. Voters saw and heard Senator Barack Obama point out that a President should be able to multitask (handle more than one problem at a time), saying the debate will go on even if it ends up being a townhall meeting with just himself answering questions.


Voters then saw McCain reverse course and show up at the debate. – following Obama’s lead.


Voters also saw news stories of McCain making fun of Obama using the phone to talk to other congressional members in hopes of helping during the bailout issue – only to see proof that McCain himself spent most of his time in Washington in his office – on the phone. They heard how he didn’t have any input at the White House during that meeting.


Voters have heard McCain repeat over several years that if he were president he’d veto any bill with pork in them – only to watch him VOTE for the bailout that ended up being the final bill that had pork in it. McCain then flip flopped and said he hope the president would veto that same bill that he had just voted for.


Independent Voters weren't impressed with Palin’s Jr High level debating skills and then the next day she came out making personal attacks against Senator Barack Obama. She insinuated that Obama was a terrorist because he worked on the same board as a reformed terrorist when Obama was eight years old. She stood on the stage allowing members in the audience to call Obama a "terrorist" and for someone to "kill him". Side Show Barbie and McCain allowed supporters to use Obama's middle name to scare voters into not voting for him.


Side Show Barbie and McCain both ignored the problems of the economy, deciding they would lose if the subject was the economy.


During the past two debates, voters saw that Barack Obama, could indeed, be a Commander-n-Chief. They saw him take on a Senator of 26 years and a nationally known war hero and former POW – with calm and with facts. They saw Obama’s vision, his calm way of approaching problems and his demeanor toward McCain. They also know how he came from virtually a nobody to beat then current Democratic Party leaders, Bill and Hillary Clinton.


McCain on the other hand showed his erratic behavior by saying one moment that we shouldn’t have government involvement and on the other hand saying let government buy up bad housing debt. Voters saw McCain being a rude man by refusing to even acknowledge that a fellow U.S. Senator was standing on the stage with him by his refusing to even look him in the eye during the first debate, and in the last debate, by calling Senator Obama "that one". They saw a man on the attack instead of a man with ideas.


The reason McCain appears to be losing this election is because of John McCain’s own actions – not 'just because' there is a bad economy. They also have seen a man that is ready to lead - Barack Obama.


McCain is an angry and confused old man...end of story.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama does not have to resort to the tactics McCain/Palin are using. In the first executive decision of his life, John McCain demonstrated his desperation by this choice to appeal to fundamentalist extremists. At that time, he lost the support of rational conservatives. The remaining supporters make McCain/Palin rallies sound more like the Jerry Springer Show.

Watch McCain grimace when his audience
goes ballistic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXf9AUHTqM

Now, tell me again who is the terrorist? Who is on the trail inciting all that hatred? You got it. Palin is just another power-hungry zealot. But, John McCain should know better. Shame

Posted by: joy2 | October 9, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Mr Nationalist said:
"All I want is a simple, direct rebuttle of Ayers' behavior by Obama. Not defensiveness, not excuses, not drama.

Just a simple sentence.

If he can't do that, how can he do anything else?"


Mr Nationalist, there have been many rebuttals, they're all over the news. Here's a comment he made last night:

"Why don't we just clear it up right now. I'll repeat again what I've said many times. This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois . . . And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that . . . I've 'palled around with a terrorist', all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points."

Posted by: Ostrich | October 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

These weren't insignificant errors, such as when Biden said, "Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie's restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time, and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years."

It turns out that Katie's restaurant, where Biden gets his feel for the average American, closed 20 years ago. The only evidence that he spends any time in Home Depot is that it appears that a pipe wrench fell on his head one too many times.

For example, Biden said about Hezbollah: "When we kicked -- along with France -- we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon." Hezbollah was never kicked out of Lebanon.

He continued: "I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't, Hezbollah will control it.'" This is madness -- Lebanon is not a NATO country, nor had any NATO country been attacked by Lebanon.

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of foreign policy.

Biden also stoutly denied that Obama ever said he would sit down with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Liberals find it hilarious that McCain can't use a computer keyboard on account of his war injuries, but Biden is apparently unaware of the Internet, because there are clips all over the Internet of Obama saying exactly that during the CNN/YouTube debate last year

Biden might have remembered that debate since: (1) He was there, and (2) he later attacked Obama's answer, telling the National Press Club in August 2007: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely, positively, no."

And that's still not all! Obama's own Web site says: "Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions."

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his ability to remember well-known facts.


Biden also gave a long speech at the debate on vice president Dick Cheney's "dangerous" belief that "he's part of the legislative branch." The great constitutional scholar Biden cited Article I of the Constitution as proof that Cheney "works in the executive branch" and has "no authority relative to the Congress." Biden huffily added: "He should understand that. Everyone should understand that."

Palin would have had to deny that Alaska is a state in the union in order to say something comparably stupid.

Article II, not I, describes the executive branch. Someone tell Biden, who is supposed to be a lawyer. Apart from getting the Articles of the Constitution mixed up, what on earth does Biden mean when he says that the vice president "has no authority relative to Congress," apart from breaking ties?

The Constitution makes him president of the senate every day of the week. I realize that Biden may not be able to count to two, but Article I says the vice president is president of one of the two houses of Congress -- the one Biden is in, for crying out loud -- which is what you might call "authority relative to Congress."

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of the Constitution.

In one especially hallucinatory answer, Biden authoritatively stated: "With Afghanistan, facts matter, Gwen. ... We spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country."

According to the Congressional Research Service, since 9/11, we've spent $172 billion in Afghanistan and $653 billion in Iraq. The most money spent in Iraq came in 2008, when we have been spending less than $3 billion a week. So by Biden's calculations, we've spent only about $9 billion "on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country." There isn't even a "9" in $172 billion.

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of math.

In the same answer, Biden went on to claim that "John McCain voted against a comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty that every Republican has supported."

The last nuclear test ban treaty the Senate voted on was the one Clinton signed in the '90s. As The New York Times editorialized on the Senate vote a few years later: "Last week, Senate Republicans thundered 'no' to the nuclear test ban treaty, handing the White House its biggest defeat since health care in 1994." Forty-nine Republicans voted against the treaty; only four liberal Republicans voted for it. That's the treaty Biden says "every Republican has supported."

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his ability to function as vice president.


and to think that the moronic libs have issues with Palin. Heal thyself!


Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"Ah, the real Americans! Driving JAPANESE or KOREAN SUV's with "Support Our Troops" ribbons. Shopping at Target or WalMart for CHINESE shoes and TV sets. Owning not a single thread of clothing that says "Made in USA" on it. And the worse things get under their chosen "leaders", the tighter they wrap themselves in Starts & Stripes."

I was watching Jon Stewart the other day and the guest that he had on made an interesting point. She says that politicians come to NYC and wrap themselves in the tragedy of 9/11, but then will turn around and savage the people living there for not being real small town Americans with real American values.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain wants to lose this election and he needs to lose this election. Why? Because the Republicans have screwed this country and the economy up so badly that they don't want to be responsible for fixing it and they know if they are elected they will be responsible and frankly it will take years to dig out of the hole they made. So, let Obama have this one, and when he is still trying to fix the mother load of Republican cluster screw ups for which he will be blamed when they aren't perfectly fixed by 2012, well, he will be a one term President and the Republicans can yell I told you so. They reaaaaaalllyy wanna lose this one.

Posted by: jacquie1 | October 9, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 9, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with the attack is it makes no sense. Anneberg group where they met are Republicans and I believe the wife of the man who created the foundation is a big McCain supporter. Does McCain support a terroist - he does if we go by the 6 degrees of separation. See how stupid it becomes.

If the Obama campaign decided to go negative the old saying, "How low can you go?" would sink the McCain campaign in a day or two.

A wife who was a drug abuser who stole from a charity. A man who commited adultery. A VP who believes in witchcraft. A man who temperment has had senior Senators of his party not speak to him for years.

We need solutions not this trash.

Posted by: rlj1 | October 9, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama's campaign is busy fudging. That's a polite word for "lying." Barack Obama's top political adviser is claiming Obama simply didn't know Ayers' history when they first met. Bomber? What bomber?

Right.

"If that's true, Obama has to be the dumbest man who ever graduated from Columbia University and Harvard Law School," snorts Murtagh. "I don't buy that at all."

Murtagh believes the relationships between Barack, his wife, Michelle, Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine, goes back 30 years, to Michelle's time at Sidley Austin, the famous Washington, D.C., law firm that also employed Bernardine Dohrn.

Murtagh doesn't blame Obama for what Bill Ayers and his friends did and supported. He blames Obama for picking a man like Ayers as a friend and mentor -- and then covering up the friendship.

In politics things get complicated. Truth becomes hard to find.

But when you are about to elect someone commander in chief, it would be good to know he can lay his hands on some of the stuff, in case he ever needs it.

"The night they attacked our home, they also firebombed an army recruiting station out in Brooklyn and police patrol cars outside of Greenwich Village," notes Murtagh. "Three weeks later they accidentally blew themselves up. They intended to attack the officer's club at Fort Dix."

Lay your cards on the table, Murtagh wants to tell the man who would be president. "Obama's free to associate with Dohrn and Ayers; that's his right," he tells me. "But don't hide the relationship, and be forthcoming and let people decide the significance of it for themselves."


give truth a chance!!

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The press needs to talk more about the Ayers/Annenberg/Reagan connection. This is a huge non-issue, which is why McCain didn't confront Obama about it on Tuesday night.

Posted by: Rachelva | October 9, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Sure McCain ain't the greatest candidate. But if you don't think OB's background stuff will gain a lot of legs in these final weeks, the GUESS AGAIN:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/the_obamaayers_connection.html


http://www.metrosantacruz.com/metro-santa-cruz/09.03.08/cover-0836.html

Posted by: cecil9 | October 9, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

What about those "real issues" that Barack Obama's supporters in the media say we should get back to, whenever some new unsavory fact about his past comes out?

Surely education is a real issue, with American school children consistently scoring below those in other countries, and children in minority communities faring worst of all.

What about Senator Obama's position on this real issue? As with other issues, he has talked one way and acted the opposite way.

The education situation in Obama's home base of Chicago is one of the worst in the nation for the children-- and one of the best for the unionized teachers.

Fewer than one-third of Chicago's high-school juniors meet the statewide standards on tests. Only 6 percent of the youngsters who enter Chicago high schools become college graduates by the time they are 25 years old.

The problem is not money: Chicago spends more than $10,000 per student.

That's for teaching 6 hours a day, 9 months of the year. Moreover, a teacher's income is dependent on seniority and other such factors-- and in no way dependent on whether their students are actually learning anything.

Obama has said eloquent and lofty words about education, as he has about other things-- for example, how it is "unacceptable in a country as wealthy as ours" that some children "are not getting a decent shot at life" because of the failing schools.

In a predominantly black suburb of Chicago, where the average teacher's salary is $83,000 and one-fourth of the teachers make more than $100,000, Barack Obama noted that the school day ends at 1:30 PM.

In his book "Dreams from My Father," Obama said candidly that black teachers and administrators "defend the status quo with the same skill and vigor as their white counterparts of two decades before."

It is not a question of Obama's not knowing. He has demonstrated conclusively that he knows what is going on.

But, for all his eloquent words, he has voted consistently for the teachers' unions and the status quo

"I owe those unions," he has said frankly. "When their leaders call, I do my best to call them back right away. I don't consider this corrupting in any way."

Only other politicians' special interests are called "special interests" by Barack Obama, whose world-class ability to rationalize is his most frightening skill.

http://townhall.com/Columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/09/the_real_obama_part_iii?page=2

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

joemamm3... I'm not defending McCain. There are things that concern me about both candidates. This article is about McCain's Ayers attack and it bothers me to see people defend Obama on this issue. It's simply disturbing.

If this article were about the facts you mention, I'd state I am concerned about them as well.

For what ever reason, you seem to be decided on Obama, and good for you. Unfortunately, I am undecided which is why I'm out here looking at different opinions (and hoping to find some facts mixed in somewhere). Right now, I think we are screwed no matter who wins. I think it's picking the lesser of the two evils and I think it's a shame.

Posted by: JPD2 | October 9, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

joemamm3... I'm not defending McCain. There are things that concern me about both candidates. This article is about McCain's Ayers attack and it bothers me to see people defend Obama on this issue. It's simply disturbing.

If this article were about the facts you mention, I'd state I am concerned about them as well.

For what ever reason, you seem to be decided on Obama, and good for you. Unfortunately, I am undecided which is why I'm out here looking at different opinions (and hoping to find some facts mixed in somewhere). Right now, I think we are screwed no matter who wins. I think it's picking the lesser of the two evils and I think it's a shame.

Posted by: JPD2 | October 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I wonder,

Was everyone as courageous in opposing the
Regime on these forums during the Darkest Years, 2002-2005, as we are all now?


Posted by: VMR1 | October 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In..."McCain Goes Negative!"

In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode...McCain Goes Negative!

McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.

A walnut slips to the floor.

McCain: Damn nutcracker!

Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: "J.M + S.P." This is then crossed out and replaced by "S.P. + J.M.". These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.

McCain: Well, the first plan didn't work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn't called the commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"

Palin: But...didn't you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?

McCain looks at Palin silently. He is smiling but he is holding back anger.

McCain: I think the time has come. We have to call in...Dr. Negative.

He pushes a large black button, which is the only button, on a red phone on his desk.

Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book "Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse...for Dummies!" is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.

Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden's subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite--and the midwife was a Trotskyite!

McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.

Sarah: Oh, we've already met.

Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!

Sarah: You betcha'!

Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative's telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing "...illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers..."

Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.

Dr. Negative: Just practicing.

There is a pause.

McCain: That's fine, Dr. Negative. That's fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.

Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor--buttons reading "Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!", business cards, reading "Push Polls Anonymous--We Call, They Fall", "Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched"; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.

Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I'm ready! I'm ready!

Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical...

Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word "Radical" He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.

Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes...Yes...

McCain: You'll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth...

Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled "Rumor Mill". He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.

Dr. Negative: Yes...Yes...

He is salivating.

McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia--bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.

Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that's easy. They'll eat anything.

Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled "Minutia: So-called "Proof" for the Right". He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled "How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses", "The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!" and "You TOO Can Be A Warrior--From Your Own Couch!" fall to the floor.

Sarah plucks out the "Faked Moon Landings" book. She starts reading.

McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.

Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.

Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.

Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?

McCain: It is very difficult. Very...dark.

Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?

McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?

The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.

Dr. Negative: You mean...(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).

McCain (nodding): Yes.

Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled "Joker" brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.

McCain nods.

Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife--holding it from it very farthest end--and flips open the top of the pack.

Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.

McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember--no fingerprints!

Next episode: The smoke is cleared.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

More liberal lies:

A casualty of the left’s hatred for President George W. Bush has been a destructive inability to separate fact from fiction in the ongoing history of the war in Iraq. The latest case, which, sadly, has dug its way into the head of the Democratic presidential nominee, is the allegation that American troops, when they liberated Baghdad in April 2003, were not welcome as liberators. This inaccurate appraisal, shocking given that it’s made by people who watched the liberation on TV, was leveled again on Tuesday evening by Barack Obama for the second time in consecutive presidential debates. Both times, Obama criticized John McCain for predicting that Americans would be greeted as liberators in Iraq.

I recall a June 27, 2003 piece by Nicholas Kristof in The New York Times, titled, “The Man With No Ear.” A few weeks after the apparent cessation of war, Kristof visited Iraq. Like The Times, he adamantly opposed the war. Now, he had to come to grips with the undeniable freedom wrought by the liberation, and the gratitude that Iraqis felt for George W. Bush. One Iraqi told Kristof: “A thousand thanks to Bush! A thousand thanks to Bush’s mother for giving birth to him!”

Kristof admitted he did not expect that reaction. He tracked down a man named Mathem Abid Ali. For deserting the Army, Ali’s ear was amputated. “Children looked at me, and turned away in horror,” he told Kristof. But now, at last, Ali was free. He told Kristof: “I’d like to make a statue in gold of President Bush.”

Kristof admitted that such facts “got in the way” of his plans for his column. He conceded that it was important that doves like himself encounter Saddam’s victims and their joy at being liberated by American troops. Doves “need to grapple with the giddy new freedom that—in spite of us—pullulates from Baghdad to Basra,” wrote Kristof.

When Iraqis weren’t talking of forging gold statues to George W. Bush, they were running around the streets literally praising God for him. Here, too, I could give example after example,

spent two hours with about 50 students on the morning of April 9, 2003 watching CNN coverage of Iraqis and U.S. Marines in Firdos Square tearing down a statue of Saddam Hussein, which was then desecrated, spat upon, smacked with shoes, and ridden like a donkey through the streets of Baghdad. As Howard Fineman wrote in Newsweek, affirming what no one doubted, it was George W. Bush “who toppled that statue.”

Doesn’t anyone remember this? Are the biases of liberals so personally crippling that they purge their own memory banks?

Every president has a “finest hour.” For JFK, it was the Cuban Missile Crisis. For Jimmy Carter, it was Camp David. For George W. Bush, it was April 9, 2003.

The fall of that statue in Baghdad on that day should be the visual equivalent of the fall of the Berlin Wall for this president and his presidency. It is not. It is now a negative used by the Democratic presidential nominee!

Here again, we have another exhibit in the Hall of Hatred erected to George W. Bush. The left has become so anti-Bush that it can’t make simple distinctions between fact and fiction. And now, worse of all, this latest false charge has become a talking point for the left’s presidential nominee, where, yet again, it is uncontested.

http://townhall.com/Columnists/DrPaulKengor/2008/10/09/message_to_obama_we_were_greeted_as_liberators

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with the Ayers attacks is that if McCain/Palin continue to stir up the radical right-wingnut crazies and Obama is physically attacked, McCain will be held responsible.

Haven't other Senators pointed this out? He's out there stirring up racial hatred and if he's not careful, he will get a hole lot more than he bargained for.

Posted by: basket | October 9, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Iam totally serious...Why don't you neocon nazi shills on this thread answer ONE SIMPLE QUESTION?

Why does McInsane talk in Marilyn Monroe's husky whispery voice?
Is McINSANE channeling Marilyn Monroe? Is he trying to be dramatic???...Try to scare little children "Oooow..Obamas a Muslim terrorist....woooo..."

Iam serious here...completely serious! What is up with McINSANES VOICE????...doesnt he sound like Marilyn Monroe to you too?...come on...you know its true

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 9, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"All I want is a simple, direct rebuttle of Ayers' behavior by Obama. Not defensiveness, not excuses, not drama.

Just a simple sentence.

If he can't do that, how can he do anything else?"

All I want is a simple, direct rebuttle of McCain's behavior by You. Not defensiveness, not excuses, not drama.

Just a simple sentence.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 9, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

One of the earliest comments questioned whether someone in Sarah Palin's audience actually yelled out, "Kill him!" Contrary to what the blogger said, that was picked up by the media and replayed for all to hear. With my own ears I heard that ignoramus call out, "Kill him!" Both he and Palin should have immediately been handcuffed and thrown in jail for inciting murder. I am ashamed for both of them. A life is much more important than one's political anger. What kind of country has this become when you want to murder those whose positions you don't like? Everyone was appalled when the woman who challenged the president of Pakistan was assassinated. Are we becoming like that, too? What kind of an administration would we have with the incompetent McCain and the bloodthirsty Palin?

Posted by: ForCommonSense | October 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The Annenberg family, on whose educational board both Ayers and Obama sat, are long time contributers to McCAIN!!!

NOW who is associating with Domestic Terrorists?

Posted by: ivoteforsmartpeople | October 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Former GOP senator calls Sarah Palin a "COCKY WACKO"

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Former Rhode Island Republican Sen. Lincoln Chafee has called vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin a 'cocky wacko' and said her selection as John McCain's running mate has energized supporters of Democrat Barack Obama.
VOTERS FROM REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDEDNTS ARE SENDING THEIR MONEY TO THE OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN JUST TO DEFEAT MCCAIN FOR FEAR OF SARAH PALIN.

Posted by: prudencerussell | October 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

garygelormino1


BRAVO!

Posted by: VMR1 | October 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

All I want is a simple, direct rebuttle of Ayers' behavior by Obama. Not defensiveness, not excuses, not drama.

Just a simple sentence.

If he can't do that, how can he do anything else?

Posted by: MrNationalist | October 9, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

WOW.
WOW.
WOW.

West Virginia.

Obama leads by EIGHT!!!

West Virginia!

WOW!
WOW!
WOW!

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 9, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Sleeping with the enemy?

I have yet to hear or read a Republican viewpoint or even hear a response to Sarah Palin and her husband's involvement with the AIP.

Since they think a fleeting relationship with a man who committed crimes for which he was acquitted for is so important one would think they would at least have an opinion on the AIP.

So, Republicans out there, do you have an opinion? Or do you have the same poilitical cowardice as McCain and his cuckoo-clock Palin?

Some background on the AIP's founder:
"Vogler (founder of the AIP) was murdered in 1993 during an illegal sale of plastic explosives that went bad. The prior year, he had renounced his allegiance to the United States explaining that, "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government." He cursed the stars and stripes, promising, "I won't be buried under their damned flag...when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home." Palin has never denounced Vogler or his detestable anti-Americanism"

Posted by: JRM2 | October 9, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Following said in a huskie whisper voice like Marilyn Monroe's .....Jonh McSame:" Friends, the fundamentals of our economy are strong!....what?...I don't know how many houses I own...errr...uhh...huh?...I'll get back to ya on that k?...my friends...um...1.3 million Americans make their living on Ebay....um...what....my friends...that one!"

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 9, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"The problem with the Ayers attack" is that Obama served on the board created by a husband of a major McCain's contributor - a Republican.

If they want to go down this road - what's worse serving on a board with Ayers or being married to a drug user who steals from a charity and when caught shuts down the charity.

Posted by: rlj1 | October 9, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the whole political system is insane – INSANE which in turn is making the people of the USA insane, we have in the past week, heard of the 700 Billion dollar bailout for our financial system. Who were insane to do what they did in the first place, thinking that it would re-coop before it really made a difference. Insane people, thinking that this house that they moved into was just the thing they needed or better yet this is what they deserve and have a mortgage that takes Fort Knox to bankroll. INSANE, then when a financial situation happens, lost job, plant closings etc., BAM they can’t cover the mortgage payment. We have a Record number of foreclosures never scene in the history of the US before, all under the watchful eye of the worst president ever in the history of the U.S., INSANE. Is anyone out there as mad as I am?

He started a war, killed a dictator and forced democracy on a nation of people that is still unclear to me whether or not they really need this, sitting on a bankroll in excess of $59 Billion, while we are paying $10 billion a month to fight their war. INSANE – and we can’t even impeach the man that lied to us about weapons of mass destruction when it is all too clear that his cronies and the VP’s cronies are making millions on this war – INSANE. Then when Clinton was impeached for a personal matter not a smart move on his part but still it is INSANE no one died about his lie and do you know how many innocent men and women and children have died? Not one person this week has said that we should get our courageous men and women out of the Middle East and pay that money we are footing for the war to help us here at home with the bailout, wait, that might be too simplistic – or I’m insane. But none the less I think that the money that we are spending over there could better be used over here. Oh yeah I forgot we really are not spending our money are we? It is money that we are borrowing from China and Japan (being the top two) and rolling in massive debt that we or our children and grand children will never be able to pay off. Everybody all at once say it with me on the count of three – One, two three- INSANE.

There are so many things that have happened in the eight of the longest years of my life all under the watchful eyes of our leaders, that there seems to be a single thread that connects all of this madness - money and more money, that seems to be lining the pockets of our politicians starting from the top down, it seems, in my mind, that the people we need to look at and watch are the politicians McCain with his 5 homes, no it maybe is 6, no make that 7 or 8 and how many cars? With Lunsford living in 5 homes at once and Barack with a million dollar home and one hybrid car and Mitch with all the money he is making – it seems that we are all in the wrong business, again everybody at once INSANE. Isn’t the purpose of our government leaders to serve US you and me? But why are they all doing better than us?

We have people that have no insurance, the elderly that can’t afford it, parents that can’t provide it for their families and children that are trapped in the middle – there are others around this world that have provided universal health care for their people Canada, UK and more that seem to work very well, not without problems, but the people are provided for and we can’t even shut the medical biggies up (pharmaceutical companies and the doctors) long enough to get something that should be an easy thing to do but being the money hungry people that we are can’t seem to have something in place for our people that need it, maybe the Senators need to pay for their own insurance since they are the ones with all the money and don’t even get me going on the benefits that they get for the rest of their life, is it me? Or am I insane?

We have people, good people in churches all over America that expect tax free status and want to make statements from the pulpit not to vote for a particular candidate and dare the government to rip that tax free status from them. Is it me, just me, that thinks this is just a little insane? It should be all of our positions that one of the first things that should never mix is church and state, it is oil and water and when we bring those things together you see what happens, we have a president that talks to god and if this is what god is saying to him to mess up our country beyond repair and have a nation that thinks we should listen to our pastors because they know god for us and can even tell us how to vote, is that insane? We have a VP candidate that refuses to tell what church she is connected to and no one has said anything about it, has a pregnant teen daughter and a husband that has to hear all the involvements of the local government and give his two cents worth and she is being lauded as a hockey mom and a pit bull and really is not capable of being VP of the United States and god forbid a President and no one is upset about that – IT IS INSANE!

We have a nation of cell phone people, people that talk non-stop, all ages – people that will not signal a turn, will not let people out in the traffic, will not let anyone ahead of them and will not have a common courtesy for their fellow humans can’t look up because they have a phone to their ear. This should be a given, since after all we do have the little fish prominently placed on our cars for all to see, or a plate that says “In god we trust” or any number of symbols and signs that means that we are better than the others on the road, am I insane or should those things be in our hearts and not on our cars as we force people off the road or shoot at them all in the name of god? Is it me or is this insane?

I want to run for something – since my vote doesn’t count and the person in 2000 and in 2004 that really won but no, he didn’t and no one really cared, I think I would have a good chance to win something since it seems that we are nestled in our numb minds not willing to think for ourselves, our welfare state turns into our welfare nation ran by a president that doesn’t believe in welfare but who distributes it to his base “the wealthy” and now the 400,000.00 a year wall street‘ers IS IT ME OR AM I INSANE?

Posted by: mbreit2 | October 9, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Great people like OBAMA and BIDEN talk about ideas.

small people with one track mind like mcslime/TarredphonyPalin talk about the other people's assets and things.
GO OBAMA! May God Be With You and Help You.May God Protect the innocent and send those two aggressors back to their dirty hole where actually they belong.
AMEN

Posted by: sukmahkak | October 9, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has some nerve going after Obama with her false attacks and innuendos. Please watch this you tube clip. She needs to be asked about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

Posted by: AGAustin | October 9, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN'S JUDGEMENT WAS QUESTIONED WHEN HE PICKED SARAH PALIN
MCCAIN'S JUDGEMENT AGAIN IS IN SCRUTINY CLAIMING THAT SENATOR OBAMA HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WILIAM AYERS.
AT THE TIME OF THE BOMBINGS THAT HAD OCCURED DURING AYERS TIME....BARACK OBAMA WAS
EIGHT (8) YEARS OLD.
PEOPLE OF AMERICA....YOU BE THE JUDGE...WHO'S LYING HERE AND WHO'S TELLING THE TRUTH?
MCCAIN GO FLY A KITE AND SUCK AN EGG TO SHUT YOUR MOUTH UP

Posted by: prudencerussell | October 9, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It is most amusing to see the angry leftist mob get all up in arms about anyone else using their tactics.

Just because bush never crawled down to your level and fought back doesn't mean we have forgotten all the slander.

a quick look at the approval rating of the Pelousy/Reid congress will indicate what the Lib governance will lead to in short order. We will have all the honesty of the clinton admin with the added benefit of a carter style effectiveness.

Just as FDR prolonged unnecessaarily the depression with his government meddling, so will the messiah.

can anyone out there think of anything more damaging than raising taxes and crushing small businesses?

and when I say think, that excludes all you moonbats, you know who you are.

vote for me and I'll send you a check - b hussain

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

David Frum (a conservative voting for McCain) at National Review had this to say this morning:
Those who press this Ayers line of attack are whipping Republicans and conservatives into a fury that is going to be very hard to calm after November. Is it really wise to send conservatives into opposition in a mood of disdain and fury for a man who may well be the next president of the United States, incidentally the first African-American president? Anger is a very bad political adviser. It can isolate us and push us to the extremes at exactly the moment when we ought to be rebuilding, rethinking, regrouping and recruiting.

Posted by: truthseeker13 | October 9, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

There were a number of prominent area Republicans on the Board of Directors of the Annenburg Challenge along with Mr. Obama. In addition, the Annenburgs themselves are very prominent conservative Republicans. In fact, McCain has been endorsed by Annenburg. Does that mean McCain accepts endorsements from people who support terrorists ???? McCain is grasping for straws and this will come back on him. Ayers is controversial no doubt. But many prominent conservatives and liberals have had occasion to work with him over the last 20 years.

Can't McCain come up with reasons to vote for him? He himself said last year that negative campaigning was a ruse for lacking a strong foundation.
And Ms. Palin -- she's married to someone who belonged to an group whose stated goals are to secede from the United States ?? Is he also a traitor ??

Let's get down to some real issues -- the economy, the war, health care, taxes. Stop wasting precious time on this nonsense.

Posted by: CharleneW222 | October 9, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

JPD2:
"A crime is a crime."

Such certitude! I'm envious.

Would you have associated with the pilots of Enola Gay who dropped an atomic bomb on hundreds of thousands civilians below?
Just following the orders. Same excuse as at the Nuremberg Trials.

Most people in the world considered it and still consider it the worst war crime of the 20th century.

A crime is a crime, isn't it?

Posted by: VMR1 | October 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH!!!! NEWS FLASH!!!! FAUX NEWS reports "Sarah Plain Stupid see's John McSames colostomy on a monitor screen and declares" "Iam a proctologist now"


this evening she hopes to see the moon and "Become an astronaut"

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Pitiful!!!


Really?


Barack Obama once sat on the same school board with a man who had done bad things when Obama was eight years old, and that means Obama hates America. Do I have that straight?


So, my only question for John McCain now: Is this the best you can do?!?!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14419.html


Twenty one years in the Senate, two terms in the House, twenty two years in the Navy, and lest we forget five years as a POW, and this is it? This is the way that John Sidney McCain III, son and grandson of admirals decides to exit stage far, far right?


Unable to defend his stance on the issues, unwilling to follow the rules of honor he claimed to endorse, undone by his own anger and shadows from his past, this man, this self-proclaimed maverick goes for the sidelines with the most embarrassing series of schoolyard taunts and sophomoric smears in modern times. How crass. How despicable. How utterly and deeply pathetic.


Pitiful is the word, really, both in the sense of contemptible and in arousing a kind of sick feeling of concern. To have done and seen so much, to have had so many opportunities, to have been given a second chance long after most men had given up the game. And then to spend it this way.


McCain didn't have the guts to mention Ayers name while face-to-face with Obama, instead waiting until he was safely back in his cocoon of race-baiting rallies and Fox News interviews before going with his latest lie and smear campaign. Pitiful.


Pitiful...McCain is a Pitifil Little Old Man...
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI
.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Remember that President John Kerry was in a similar lead at about this time four years ago. when the time came to do the deed, the voters just couldn't bring themselves to ruin the nation."

It's funny how people feel compelled to lie about things that can be disproved so easily.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/chart3way.html

Bush took the lead after the conventions and kept it through the end.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

JPD2 and others like you:

The attack on Obama's "judgment" for having been associated with Bill Ayres rings hollow, and the American people are clearly not interested in it because they have actual issues and problems to think about. By your logic, McCain is not qualified to be president, because he associated with Charles Keating. And, unlike Obama's association with Ayres, McCain actually was good friends with Keating, and intervened on his behalf trying to get government regulators off Keating's back. So, you have Obama, who in working in education policy was a member of a board with Ayres, and you have McCain, who was close friends with Keating and actually tried to use his office to strong-arm regulators into letting Keating get away with cheating Americans out of their hard-earned money through fraud. There is no comparison. If McCain and Co. want to bring up past associations, Obama will win that argument just like he won the first two debates.

Posted by: joemomma3 | October 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

To Nobama,

I don't want only "change", I want the "whole bill".

Sorry Nobama

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Remember I mentioned yesterday Palin had a group of what looked like skin heads in her crowds
Check out thei clip
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/mccain-palin-rally-attend_n_133240.html

Posted by: popasmoke | October 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

While we're talking about character, here's an interesting piece on McCain:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print

Posted by: sava1ou | October 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

To Nobama,

I don't want only "change", I want the "whole bill".

Sorry Nobama

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for a President who buy seven houses with money he got after dumping his first wife and after pallin' around with Keating, innumerable lobbyists, and corrupted friends?

If yes, Vote McCain

If No, Vote Obama.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: vaney18 | October 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what John McINSANE says he's gonna do?????....He's gonna croak...thats what he's gonna do.
Doesn't matter if he says he's gonna screw Sarah Plain Stupids eyes out....he's gonna get a pair of depends adult diapers and a sherbert before beddy bye time...thats what senile old curmudgens always do.

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

bcamp 55= the fact that you say I am illegal just gives more validity to my point. assuming something just because of my name. You assume i am an illegal person just because of my last name. you don't know anything about me. I can certainly understand why you are voting for McCain. You support the same ignorant thinking and ideas that they are promoting.

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | October 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

To the person who said in 2004 Kerry had a similar lead this late in the election as Obama does today, it's not a good sign for your knowledge, awareness, and ability to do simple research. The facts, which are published on the internet and easily available for free, show that you could not be more wrong.

At this time in 2004, Kerry was behind by 2% (RCP polling average). He had not led since mid-August and never regained the lead, though he narrowed the gap as the election approached. At no time did Kerry lead by more than about 2.5%, and that was in May.

Contrast to today, where Obama leads in the second week of October by almost 6% (RCP polling average).

It is axiomatic that right wing fanatics grasp with desperation to invented facts in the hope of overcoming reality.

Posted by: nosp | October 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Please, stop this crap right now. The "Mainstream Media" is not out to supress or not report anything, it's not in their best interest. If there was anything to any of these allegations on either side it would be fully vetted by now, that's absolutely certain. Everyone just throws things together, pulling out pieces here, little snippets and sound bites there, all in all it doesn't add up to jack. The people deserve better then this -folks, we are heading into very dangerous times and we need LEADERSHIP from everyone. We need to think and research everything we can about our choices and make informed decisions - not just pull a lever for only those with R or D beside them.

Posted by: bendersx6 | October 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

If Americans unaccountably decide between now and election day that jowls are the most important attribute in a president, king_of_zouk will seem quite the prescient prognosticator. Otherwise, I'd suggest he keep his day job.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It's so funny how the illiterate Republican scumbags here can't understand where Obama got the money for his house. After all, he's a Negro, so he must've either stolen it or got it from drug dealings.

While the "real" Americans, the joe sixpacks of this world get their money not by writing books (what a weird concept - earning money by writing books!) but, for example, by loading and unloading crates of beer, in a warehouse owned by someone like Cindy McCAin and overseen by couple of neanderthal-looking guys with last names ending on a vowel.

Ah, the real Americans! Driving JAPANESE or KOREAN SUV's with "Support Our Troops" ribbons. Shopping at Target or WalMart for CHINESE shoes and TV sets. Owning not a single thread of clothing that says "Made in USA" on it. And the worse things get under their chosen "leaders", the tighter they wrap themselves in Starts & Stripes.

[btw, in certain very sophisticated Appallachian families "Target" is pronounced as tar-ZHAY]

[hmm, I just got a business idea: make furry American flags, to keep warm.]

Posted by: VMR1 | October 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that the folks calling for the candidates to really start beating up on each other have already decided who they are going to vote for.

Those of us who are looking for a reason to vote for a particular candidate want to hear what each candidate is going to do.

I believe it.

Both candidates are so busy distorting facts to make the other look bad we are not getting the information we want.

The question is: Why should I vote for you? not Why should I not vote for the other guy?

Posted by: gusthecat | October 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

McSame is a COWARD to say to Obamas face...what he's screaming behind Obamas back...AMERICANS HATE COWARDS.....see ya Johnny...buh bye...thanks for droppin by...mmmm-K

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

'Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008'

no such group exists. there aren't any democrats that stupid.

Posted by: drindl | October 9, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain supporters crying makes me happy!

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 9, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Here’s something the McCain/Palin handlers should exploit. Barack Obama’s initials are BHO, which is an anagram of HBO, which is a cable network that allows bad language on its programming (like ****, ****, ****, *******, etc.) Why don’t they exploit this egregious immorality on the part of Senator Obama. We can’t have this kind of immoral president making decisions that will affect our children. We might as well elect an adulterer. (Oh, wait a minute …. I wonder what JSM stands for. I know: Just Screaming Mad)

Posted by: jocro | October 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Drain You,
Are you trying to say that Obama and his wife are hitting the campaign trail in Walmart Shoes and clothes? They seemed to be dressed pretty nicely to me. They have investments, and thanks to all their supporters, they aren't exactly hurting for money. If that is your only argument with regards to the economy and the state it's in, that is pretty sad. Most of Obamas supporters are rich. His most avid fans are wealthy actors and actresses who could care less about the economic crisis facing most Americans. That doesn't make him unfit to run this country and fix our economy. What makes him unfit, is his inability to understand that raising taxes at this time is a sure way to turn a recession into a depression. What makes him unfit, is his belief that a government wealth redistribution program is going to help middle class America. The wealthy have tax shelters, accountants, lawyers etc. Raising their taxes will have little or no effect. In the mean time, he will rack up spending and weaken the free market economy. And in a few years he will be telling the middle class it is our PATRIOTIC duty to pony up more taxes to pay for his programs. But hey, in the mean time you might get a little extra in next years tax return. Hope you save it.

Posted by: huhmmm31 | October 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, of course Palin is a terrorist. Didn't you know?

She terrifies any sane person. and here's what cnservative David Brooks says:


"Speaking at an Atlantic luncheon Monday, New York Times columnist David Brooks said Gov. Sarah Palin "represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party" because of her tendency to "scorn ideas entirely," comparing her to President Bush:

[Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party. . … Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices."

PALIN A CANCER ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, SEZ A REPUBLICAN.

Posted by: drindl | October 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Those with narcissitic personality disorers exhibiting authoritarian traits are very inclined to support the McCain-Palin ticket. They are threatened by intimacy due to childhood deprivation or abuse, so they dominate others to keep them at a distance. Their personality dynamic is this: "If I keep others distant and under my control, then I will never feel the unberable pain of needing to be loved again." McCain-Palin supporters, therefore, tend to be self-centered, cold-hearted, mean, and suspicious people. By being aggressive and domineering, they defend themselves from facing the festering pain of being unloved in childhood. In short, they are mentally ill. I am a psychologist with over twenty years of experience. All people of voting age should be required to complete psychotherapy in order to be qualified to vote.

Posted by: figneutron | October 9, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

BCamp55 writes, "The communist village inhabitants McCain was bombing were killing Americans who were asked to be there by South Vietnam to help end the slaughter of it citizens’ by those in the North to impart communism on their society."

Actually, I was there, on the ground, unlike McCain. Oftentimes the inhabitants of those villages were just trying to feed themselves and figure out a way not to get between the NVA and the Americans. In addition, McCain got shot down bombing villages in North Vietnam where no one was shooting at Americans. Hundreds of thousands of innocents were killed, as they are in very war.

Obviously, you've never been.

Posted by: mcwong999 | October 9, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I find it very disturbing that anyone with a past like Ayers can find a place to live and a place to work in the United States. After what he and his wife did, they should not be free and among us. And since they are... I don't see how anyone could feel comfortable being associated with them in any way.

Take it to another extreme... if you are friends with the parents of a young child, and those parents associate with a known sexual predator in their community, wouldn't you be concerned about their judgment? Wouldn't you feel they are putting their child at risk? Would you still want to associate with them? Don't you think we should surround ourselves with good people and not bad or questionable people?

Most importantly, would you do something to speak up and show you wouldn't support such a thing?

A crime is a crime. A shady past is a shady past. I can't support such a thing.

Posted by: JPD2 | October 9, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The surprise is that the Republicans have not found much in the way of questionable Obama associations. That result suggest that there was not much reality to the image of Obama as a radical community organizer. But it does not leave the Republican much to work with. Even without the economic crisis, it is questionable that the Ayers connection would have much impact.
The reality with the Weather Undergound is that its members were able to rejoin mainstream American life. The big reason was an FBI failure. Because the FBI violated legal rules, the bulk of the evidence againt the members of the Weather Undergound had to be thrown out and they were never brought to trial for their criminal activity. Obama's association with Ayers does not seem to involve any questionable activities and Ayers is an upstanding citizen with no criminal record.
The Wright connection is a more substantial issue given the number of years that Obama attended his church and Wright's role in his personal life. But again, no Obama activity in any questionable political activity has turned up. The only way the Wright connection makes any sense is for his church to be part of Michelle Obama's roots.
The net is that so far there does not seem to be any real sign of questionable political activity in Obama's past. The middle of the road Obama as portrayed currently in his campaign seems to be much closer to the real Obama than the radical Obama of the campaign's early days.

Posted by: dnjake | October 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm a former McCain supporter. Before the Convention, I was 100% sure I was voting for him. However, first his pick for VP, then 'suspending' his campaign, and now these attacks smack of theatrics and desperation. Frankly, I expected more from him.

Posted by: Smoke_Jaguar4 | October 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I am a recent convert to Obama, being a staunch Hillary supporter. McCain's attacks and smears moved me.
In yesterday's mail was my 403(b) statement - I'm too scared to open it and McCain has nothing to dampen those fears, he has made it worse with his reckless regard for economic matters.

Posted by: SW-DCWaterfront | October 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Mc Sames guilt by association is a tired and sorry excuse for a strategy to win the election at the expense of his integrity. Mc Same will not get to cross off becoming President on his bucket list. Sorry John America wants someone with integrity and intellect two qualities you don't have. OBAMANOS! OBAMA IN A LANDSLIDE!

Posted by: pedraza1 | October 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

guythompto: Remember the attacks on G W Bush that pertained to his time in the Reserves? How many years had it been since his service in the Reserves had ended? How many campaigns was he in where this same issue came up? If this tactic was fair then, it's fair now.

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I remember those attacks. I also remember they failed.

Posted by: HomeboyFromIllinois | October 9, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Nobama is not an economist. He is a lawyer or a liar, so why and how do you think Nobama would fix the economy, but not further screw the economy up?????

Nobama's economics advisors are the ex-CEO of Fredie and Fannie. These folks are contrubuted heavily to this financial mess. How and why should we trust them to get us out of this mess???????

Don't be fool Nobama's followers


Nobama

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

So what if Obama had a coffee at so over the hill radical's house in Chicago who was the Chicago citizen of the year in 1997. The public is going to much more concerned about the "First Dude" who is very active in Sarah Palin's administration. This guy was a member of the Alaska Independence Party from 1994-2002. This party's founder who died in a mysterious explosion in 1993 once said "I am not an American, I am a Alaskan. I hate the US government" To have this former member of a far right-wing party so close to the person who is a heart beat away from the president is really scary. OK McCain, lets go down this road.

Posted by: bradcpa | October 9, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is NOT John Kerry, while John McCain is proving to be very much george bush....only difference is bush never had a mind to lose.

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 9, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Voters are just plain turned off by McCain.

Appearances are very important. He looks erratic, angry, ODD. Preaching hate. Cant talk about the economy because he dosnt understand or have answers for what ails this country.

Don'T even have the fortitude to throw this crap into OBAMA's face. McCain has to wait until he's in the comfy setting of FOX or at his rallys with all the KILL HIM and TERROIST thrown at OBAMA. For all the voters to see.

The voters minds have been settled. OBAMA will be elected our next president.

Posted by: llewis40 | October 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

While we are at it, why don't we don't we question McCain's "candor and judgment" in adding to the ticket a running mate whose husband, Todd Palin, was a member of a party (the Alaska Independence Party) that advocated armed secession from the United States - a party that Sarah Palin sent a congratulatory address just last year? I expect Barack Obama's candidacy would be dead by now if his wife or Biden's wife had any such association. Why is WaPo playing down the Palin AIP link? Double standards?

Posted by: levgid | October 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Nobama is not an economist. He is a lawyer or a liar, so why and how do you think Nobama would fix the economy, but not further screw the economy up?????

Nobama's economics advisors are the ex-CEO of Fredie and Fannie. These folks are contrubuted heavily to this financial mess. How and why should we trust them to get us out of this mess???????

Don't be fool Nobama's followers


Nobama

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

in a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
This time the stakes are much higher then most people could imagine
I would like to point out some things You may already know with a new perspective.
I follow a economist named bob proctor who has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
He perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown ,and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
Is terrifying. He thinks it could get worse then the great depression.
Banks in the US are going under one after the other. Country wide the largest morgage bank in the world
Bear Stearns and Lehman brothers , and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms.
And now Fanny and Freddy which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
The goverment took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.
If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash
And we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before
The future of these companies will fall into the hands of our next president
And all of our economic future depends on them reorganizing these companies right.
Lehman, Merill Lynch, and Bear Sterns have survived for over 150 years and survived even the great depression
They are important because the are the biggest engines of growth in america and
they are connected to almost everything.
The last time the real estate market numbers looked this bad was during
The great depression and real estate often leads the way into major economic recessions.
One out of 10 Americans is somewhere in the foreclosure process.
During the last 8 years the average person saw there salary drop instead
Of increase. These are all facts no one will argue with.
The truth is we are only in the start of the worst economy we have seen in our generation
and a very real possibility of another depression.
Bush just like Mcain doesn't understand the economy.
That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it
He does not understand exactly what is broken. Its no surprise that he doesnt. The people that make up these
securities use complex math models very few people understand.
They are basically bundles of thousand of loans some good and some bad that are then given rules based on quantitiative
math. It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this, and the same things bush and mcain have done for the last 8 years
Have not worked so far and wont work in the future.
If you do what you have always done then you will do get what you have always __________
90 percent of the time they have voted the same.
Please don't just take my word for it Start to read up on some of this yourself. MSN money, elliot wave and, bloomberg
Have tons of articles That prove we are in the heading into one of the worst economies any one has ever seen.
So why are the polls even close then ?
The chairman of mcains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues
they vote on a personality composite which means. He is trying to sell personality instead
of results.
He believes people will vote against there own self interests.
Lets teach him we are smarter then that and elect the ticket that can
bring us back from the brink of a economic abyss.
If you think i am kidding do your own home work you will find
We are at the start of this mess not the end.
Mcain admits in the year 2008 he cannot use a computer even to send email
Its almost impossible then he will understand the complex securities such as cdos that are destroying wall street
and the home values on your street.
We are not bulletproof america it time to wake up and hold these people accountable.
How many people that you go out and have drinks with would you really want running the country?
Lets stand up and fight for our country now while it will still make a difference
Lets elect Obama Biden 08
Mccain straight out lied in his convention speech when he said that he would lower taxes for the common man while Obama would raise the taxes. Yes! Obama will raise taxes but not for the common man but for the wealthiest top 5% of the American people in which Mccain is included. And by the way political analysts agree that Obama's tax policy is more beneficial for the common man because he is going to decrease taxes for 95% of Americans which has to include the common man because a common man is not 5% of the American population.
!!!!!!!The Truth is Mccain lies and deceives voters like in his convention speech where he presented the incomplete truth about his policies.!!!!!1
By the Way Grant was also a military hero who won because of his character. And his term was full of corruption. Why?
it is because he had no clue about wat the common man experiences just like MCcain and Palin. Well for all of u who claim that Obama is too young and inexperienced and young to be president. Guess wat? Mccain is too old to be president and fighting as a soldier is different from commanding a whole country's army and handling the economy (which does not only depend on the fundamentals (workers) but on the policies of the president for investors to invest in a crashing economy)and Palin is the worst possible VP candidate because she has no foreign policy experience which is needed in diplomatic relationships with other nations which the VP is responsible for. And being incharge of the Alaskan National Guard which had no crisis to face is not a qualification to be 2nd to commander in chief.
Obama on the other hand is willing to go against issues because of his minimal exposure to the corruption in washington.
For example, he opposed the War in Iraq which mccain supported just because the oil prices would go up leading to more profits for people like Bush and others in washington who own an oil drilling facility.
Mccain is just like Bush who deceived the public and charged into the War in Iraq (very similar to Vietnam war which had no reason but destroyed that country). Mccain lied to the public in his convention speech on his and Obama's tax policy for the common man.
And Bidden is a very good choice for VP because the VP is supposed to be the invisible leader of the Senate and maintain diplomatic relationships with foreign countries( Bidden was in the senate in charge of Foreign policy)
i say Mccain would be a good VP candidate because of his foriegn policy experience and long time in the Senate but asking him to be president is going too far. Having good character does not mean he is right on policies ( especially regarding the economy and the common man).
Go Obama and Bidden the better qualified ticket for the Presidency and the VP.
1. If there was a video of a BLACK Pastor praying on Obama to protect him from Witchcraft, what would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over.
2. If Obama paraded a pregnant teenaged daughter with her BLACK lover on stage at the Democratic National Convention. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
3. If Obama had chosen Sarah Palin if she were a democrat, and then everything happened showing her gross deficiencies.What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
4. If Obama was a part of Keating 5. What would happen?Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
5. If Obama had committed adultery and then divorced his crippled wife who stood by him while he was a POW and married a rich adultering heiress, now has 9 homes and 13 cars. What would happen?Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
6. If Obama had been running the swift boat adds and politics like McCain with outright 100% lies disproved by factcheckdot org. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
7. If Obama had made 1/4 of the gaffes and lies that Mccain has made including the fundamentals of our economy are good. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
8. If Obama's daughter went on National tv and said that Obama dated a stripper and was wild in his younger years. If Obama was anywhere close to McCains moral failings in his life. What would happen? Answer: Obama's presidential bid would be over
9. If Obama had verbally abused and berated the media for bias and sexism the way Mccain and Palin have done. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
10. If Obama had removed his VP from scrutiny by the press and did exactly what Macain did with Palin. What would happen? Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
11. If Obama has been anywhere close to Mccain in the conduct of his campaign. What would happen?Answer:Obama's presidential bid would be over
I could go on and on.. but my point is... the hypocrisy of the republicans and so many in this country is on such a low shamefull and painfull level that I cannot find an adjective to describe it appropriately. These people have ZERO objectivity and ZERO conscience... Obama is held to a much higher standard because of ONE reason only... the color of his skin.. you racists out there reading this and screaming... know this point and remember it always...
"who God blesses NO MAN CAN CURSE" I hope Obama wins for the sake of this country... The republicans are praying and hoping that the idiots and uneducated racists and bigots will return them to power... Their support is critical and so the only way to appeal to hate is to manufacture lies and innuendo, reapeat it enough times that the "heartland" would vote "white". Sad, because 4 more years of Bush won't help them anymore than the last 8 years have... Am just soo tired of all the hate and racism I read on these sites... people pretending to debate facts when instead they are debating their hate, racism and biggotry... all because they cannot stand the thought of a man with black skin in the white house... never mind the way this country has gone down the crapper and the fact that the two women who raised Obama are as white as them... There is only one choice in this election, anyone with common sense knows Obama is that choice... but then... reading the posts above... common sense is NOT so common... oh well.. God help us.

Posted by: mccaincampaignisalyinganddeceivingpowerhouse | October 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama’s campaign is conducting a master-level seminar in how to shout down your opposition on a legitimate point. On Monday at Coachman Park in Clearwater, Florida, Gov. Palin spoke at an outdoor rally to an estimated crowd of 4,500. Later that day, a single – that means just one – Washington Post blog writer [not a reporter], Dana Milbanks, wrote that when Palin raised Ayers name, an unidentified person shouted “kill him.” Milbanks did not say whether the shouter was referring to Ayers or Obama, or even whether the shouter was a Palin supporter [maybe that’s too suspicious on my part – I know the Obama campaign would never plant anyone in the crowd to do something like that]. There was not a single other local media report of this – not in the liberal St. Pete Times, the Tampa Tribune, not on NBC Ch.8, ABC Ch. 28, CBS Ch. 10, Local Cable Bay News 9, and nowhere on the national media as well.

Of course, this got the blogosphere going – shortly thereafter bloggers were condemning McCain/Palin for giving speeches attempting to incite people to kill Obama. They demanded that Palin should have stopped her speech and renounced the shouter. Of course, this assumes the remark was made and that Palin heard it. And if Palin heard it, one might assume that her Secret Service detail heard it. Maybe I’m naïve, but such a remark would have been treated with the same welcomeness as a joke about a bomb in that TSA screening line. The arrest of the shouter would have been plastered on the above-mentioned media outlets.

Two days later, Biden opens the newest Democratic talking point – Palin’s criticism of Obama’s association with Ayers is “mildly dangerous.” AP picks this up and mentions the 48-hour old alleged “kill him” remark and attributes it to “a report in the Washington Post.” Mind you, this was a blog article, not a report in the real Washington Post news section. So, the single, unverified blog report is now used to corroborate Biden’s assertion that Palin’s remarks about Ayers and Obama are “dangerous.” The latest I’ve seen is that the Secret Service is now investigating these news reports. Of course, the single source is a blog report. If this isn’t genius as to the suppression of dissent, what is? By the way, I guess when Obama or Biden bring up McCain or Palin at rallies, there is polite applause for the opposition? You mean like the peaceful demonstrators at the GOP convention in Minneapolis, right?.

But hold on, what’s the real point? Palin and others dared to question Obama’s association with Ayers. Remember, Obama’s first [not later backpedaling] disingenuous answer to whether he knew Ayers was that Ayers was just “a guy in his neighborhood.” Of course, this is incredibly misleading. In roughly 1995, Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn [another charter member of the Weather Underground who actually played a more active role than Ayers] actually hosted a small fundraiser for Obama’s first political campaign at their house [in the neighborhood I guess]. Just for the interested, Ayers' first girlfriend, Diana Oughton, blew herself up making a bomb intended for soldiers at Ft. Dix.

The next line of defense has been that Obama was only 8 when Ayers was bombing national landmarks. No one has suggested Obama was in the Weather Underground so does that matter really? Ok, at the fundraiser with Ayers/Dohrn in 1995, Obama was about 31, and in 2001, when Ayers refused to renounce his Weatheman activities and said he had wished they had done even more, Obama was about 37. Does that also mean that 37 years after 9/11 [37 years from the Weathermen bombings in 1971 to the present], it’ll be ok to go hang out with Osama bin Laden?

They further say Ayers is “rehabilitated.” How? Is there a Center for Terrorist Rehabilitation that offers certification of the same? Maybe that’s just MSNBC or CNN. Actually, Ayers’ father, Thomas, was the CEO of Con-Ed and very close with the Daley political machine [remember “vote early and often”]. Understandably as a father, he went to huge lengths to reestablish his son – probably not hard to do with the aid of the Daley machine. That Ayers is now a college professor speaks more to his connections than to anything else.

The last and most malicious defense is that criticism of Obama’s association with Ayers is somehow racist. This is difficult to address because it is laughably illogical yet a hot button issue. How is mentioning Osama’s being less than forthright about his association with a white terrorist racist? Taking it to the extreme, every single criticism of Obama is necessarily racist because Obama is black. Ask the Clintons if Obama played the race card in this manner in the primaries. As I said, this is a master level seminar in how to shout down your opponent.

Posted by: tampalawyer | October 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If this was only about Ayers and Doern, I agree with my Liberal Democrat friends that this is not a strong point. But so many of Obama's guiding influences and personal associations, ones that make up such a large part of his world view seem, to me, to make him an extremely scary candidate for the highest office in this land. Google “Obama (and any of the following)” read and decide.
Jerimiah Wright,
Michael Pfleger,
Tony Rezco,
Nadhmi Auchi,
Rashid Khalidi,
Bill Ayers,
Bernadine Doern,
Raila Odinga,
Che Guevara,
Louis Farrakhan,
Malcolm X,
Saul Alinsky.

Posted by: Jim_in_Austin | October 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

John McINSANE isnt a Vietnam war hero, he's a terrorist and coward who dropped bombs from 30,000 feet on innocent women and children. Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Marcellus Clay) is the Vietnam era hero,Muhammad Ali said "I won't kill Vietnamese...No Vietnamese ever called me ni$$er" Muhammad Ali wasn't a coward, he wasn't afraid to fight anyman on earth, in a small roped in area, face to face and toe to toe. McINSANE is a coward to say to Obamas face in a debate, what he says behind Obamas back!!!!!

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 9, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

10 reasons I just can't vote John McCain:

1. graduated 894th out of 899, i.e. 5th last in the Naval Academy ... but thanks to Admiral daddy's connections, managed to be assigned for pilot training (instead of a desk job which is the usual destiny for the bottom 10% graduates)

2. wrecked 3 planes in training alone, with two of them due to pilot errors (once brought down power lines while "clowning"; a direct quote from McCain's own memoirs)

3. made Navy history: was allowed to continue flying (every other pilot with similar wrecking record has been grounded)

4. cheated on his disabled wife and married Cindy just one month after his divorce

5. poor judgement concerning dealings with Charles Keating (was reprimended by Senate committee)

6. has proved to be impulsive and short tempered throughout his Senate tenure (not a man to be trusted with launch codes)

7. voted for Iraq war, now is acting like the war started not until 2007

8. was "Mr. Deregulator" for years but does not have the gut to admit he made an error (instead is pointing fingers left and right, as usual)

9. exercised irresponsible behavior by choosing a clueless running mate

10. attributable to the "golden spoon in the mouth" life, has very little understanding of how the rest of us live and try to get by

Posted by: FLvoter1 | October 9, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

'People need to take their heads out of their rears and realize what KIND of man they are supporting to be President of the United States, and not merely bask in the empty hope and ambiguous change he promises (but will never deliver).

I don't personally know any terrorists? Do you?'


Not personally, but I've been living in a country run by a few of them for over seven years. Bush, Rumsfield, Cheney - your heros, no doubt - are right up there in the pantheon of modern terrorists.

Just not as smart.

Posted by: sam99686 | October 9, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

this day in 2004:

Pollster Dates Kerry Bush Nader
Democracy Corps Oct. 3-5 49 48 1
The Economist Oct. 4-5 47 46 1
Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Oct. 3-5 49 49 1
Gallup Oct. 1-3 47 49 1
IPSOS Oct. 4-5 50 46
Marist College Oct. 4-5 46 47 1
Time Oct. 6-7 45 45 3
Zogby Oct. 5-7 45 46 2

Electoral Vote Predictor 2004: Kerry 280 Bush 248


As you can see President Kerry was ahead all the way until he wasn't.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

micretek,

Hmmmm

Should I pick a person who got a deal on a house,

or

Should I pick a person that lies to me?

I'll take the frugal shopper over the liar.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 9, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

320 electoral votes and counting...the gop ticket will end October campaigning in Nebraska, Wyoming and Utah.....go ahead, try and use the attacks against President- Elect Obama, what else do you have?
Pathetic inbreeders.

Posted by: pgiaquinto | October 9, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"McCain for Governor of Arizona
Palin for Governor of Alaska"

Lol.

Obama for PRESIDENT!!! (of Kenya)

These statements of name calling and mud slinging are really hurtful to our polictical process and is it really helpful to further polarize our culture?

Posted by: arrowspace90 | October 9, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

For those leaning to Mr. Obama, there was no evidence of bipartisanship. There was no talk of accomplishments. Did he really think it was smart to answer Mr. McCain on Fannie by dismissing the GSE reform bill and pointing to a letter he wrote? In the Senate, is the pen mightier than legislation? And Mr. Obama's say-one-thing, do-another approach was apparent. Blast Mr. McCain for talking up the economy, then say, "I am confident about the American economy." Blame Mr. McCain for the credit meltdown, and end the assault with "you're not interested in hearing politicians pointing fingers." Say "only a few percent of small businesses" will get taxed when 663,000 small enterprises are in the top 5%.

Each faces a big challenge. Mr. McCain's is that events have tilted the field towards Mr. Obama. To win, Mr. McCain must demonstrate he stands for responsible conservative change, while portraying Mr. Obama as an out-of-the-mainstream liberal not ready to be president.

Mr. Obama's test is that voters haven't shaken deep concerns about his lack of qualifications. Having accomplished virtually nothing in his three years in the Senate except to win the Democratic nomination, Mr. Obama must show he is up to the job. Voters like him, conditions favor him, yet he has not closed the sale. He may be approaching the finish line with that mixture of lassitude and insouciance he displayed in the spring against Mrs. Clinton.

But here's a warning sign for Mr. Obama. Of recent candidates, only Michael Dukakis in 1988 has had a larger percentage of voters tell pollsters they believe he lacks the necessary qualifications to be president.

don;t beleive the polls. this election has enough weeks to go to eliminate the socialist, the extreme socialist I mean.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

What about Pallin's ties to the Alaskan Independence Party? Is she a terrorist too?

Uh oh. I currently serve on a Board of Directors with a Republican. Does that make me a gullible moron by association?

Posted by: Dean5 | October 9, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The Troopergate report comes out tomorrow. We'll see then who has the better judgement of the two candidates.

Posted by: McBain1 | October 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

thrh - wants to know the difference between Ayers bombing and Mccain's during the Vietnam War.

Now I see why you think McCain is worse than Ayers.

The communist village inhabitants McCain was bombing were killing Americans who were asked to be there by South Vietnam to help end the slaughter of it citizens’ by those in the North to impart communism on their society.

Ayers was an imbecile who bombed in the hopes of killing Americans. Rather than work within the system, he like the N. Vietnamese, wanted to bring about the communist changes as well.

When are you going to post something favorable about Timothy McVae since you seem so sympathetic to terrorists wanting to impart change to American society?

BTW – Don’t let that subscription to Al Jezeera expire.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

rmmiller44: Yes I do know a terrorist. His name is John McCain. He dropped bombs on innocent women and children in Vietnam. He destroyed villages in order to save them, he killed untold infants...in order to save them. He wasnt protecting my rights and freedoms from the North or south Vietnamese...he was killing innocent civilians.

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I am not concerned about Obama having sat on a committee, that was sponsored by a fervent McCain supporter and that included many prominent Democrats and Republicans, with a former terrorist. This former terrorist turned himself into authorities in 1980 and subsequently rehabilitated himself by gaining a PhD from Columbia and being named Chicago's "citizen of the year". But I am scared as hell about a VP candidate who currently pals around with secessionists who hate America (the movements founder, Joe Vogler, was killed in an explosion of illegal plastic explosives). And I'm even more scared about a presidential candidate who pals around with "pro life" terrorists who shoot doctors performing legal abortions. It couldn't be more clear that McCain and Palin don't love America the way you and I love America.

Posted by: ElCidVicious | October 9, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Posters to this forum seem to be entirely missing the bigger picture. The US is in a severe economic crisis, facing recession. It's a responsibility to elect an energetic President with a firm understanding of economics, and who is capable of rebuilding alliances with international allies so that America can take the lead in economic recovery. Obama has that capability. McCain, who is admirable in other ways, is clearly feeling his advanced age and admits to not understanding economics. It's a choice between ability and lack of ability. The past eight years have been a fearsome example of what happens when a president is not fully up to the task. It's noteworthy that a current survey by The Economist found that an overhelming 80% of economists say that Obama has a better grasp of economics, and 81% think he would surround himself with better economic advisers than McCain. “Although I have tended to vote Republican,” one reply to the survey says, “the Democrats have a deep pool of talented, moderate economists.”

Posted by: richard26 | October 9, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Remember that President John Kerry was in a similar lead at about this time four years ago. when the time came to do the deed, the voters just couldn't bring themselves to ruin the nation.

Obama's candidacy will result in another "destroyed by fact" pipe dream - like AL gore's global warming. We don't hear much about saving the world these days.
even the sainted Pelousy, caved in on drilling.

Is there a single issue other than abortion and tax raises that the Dems can stick to? even their war views cycle every two weeks.

when Obama starts to slip back below even next week, I wonder how confused and agitated his entire campaign will become. his surrogate on fox and Friends was spitting and fuming this morning, trying hard to cover up the facts about ayers - too hard.

Mr. thin skinned is heading for defeat. he can run for president of the EU, they want him there.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to take off the kid gloves and go bare nuckles with McCain.

Lets talk about McCains asociation with Phil Grahm. Grahm served on McCains election team as finanial advisr until his recent remark calling those of us that were concerned about the pending market crash "wimps".
McCain fired him, so now he's just hanging around with him. Does Grahm have his ear, you bet.
Now Phil Grahm, isn't he the mastermind that pushed legislation through to deregulate the banks, well yes he is, So if I were Obama, I'd point out that McCains pal is the guy that caused the mess were in right now.
Phil Grahm, now he's a real terrorist.

Posted by: jack98 | October 9, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

DBGL,
For you to say that our entire country was not effected by 9/11 shows that you do feel the same loyalty to other Americans that most of us do. Everyone that I know mourned the loss of those lives lost in the 9/11 bombings. When any American dies in an attack on this country, we all suffer for it as we should. Attacks on this country effect EVERYONE. I can't think of one person who would be happy to see everyone in New York or California dead just because they didn't agree politically.

Posted by: huhmmm31 | October 9, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

RAF3 ... ironic... same logic that evangelicals use for proof of God.

Eg ... prove that God does not exists. A real challenge with a mythical, imaginary and allegorical figure.

Posted by: frankinbend | October 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday John McCain, addressing a "Palin" rally said, "My fellow prisoners". He was certainly talking to the "right" crowd. And both he and they didn't quite realize just how appropriate his choice of words were.

Posted by: mcwong999 | October 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

So this Ayers guy was angry at the American gov? Okay. And Obama knew him? Okay. Who isnt mad at the American gov? I am. Arent you?
Grammy is mad, Granddad is mad, Aunt and Uncles are mad, The military is mad, angry and have guns. Sis is mad, little brother is mad, our allies are mad, even the neocon nazi's admit they are mad, angry, pissed off and spraying spittle about it. Heck...the evangelicals say GAWD is angry and mad at America. SO WHO ISNT?

Posted by: garygelormino1 | October 9, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This is ALL McCain & Palin can come up with...

I wonder, which crises they are avoiding most; the economy, the war at hand, healthcare, SS, ETC...

I think all, they have NO clue what they are doing. They just keep spewing teenage-ridden non-sense, it is ALL they are capable of; OBVIOUSLY.

Posted by: celestebluedawn | October 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain had launched his first Congressional campaign from the living room of an admitted, unrepentant ABORTION CLINIC BOMBER, received campaign contributions from him, and served on the board of political organizations with him, the mainstream media would NOT LET THIS GO AWAY and liberals would be HOWLING in anger.

They wouldn't let McCain get away from this by saying, "Oh, he's just a guy who lives near me in Arizona."

This shows you the inherent liberal media bias for the cult hero who even Hillary Clinton has reason to fear.

People need to take their heads out of their rears and realize what KIND of man they are supporting to be President of the United States, and not merely bask in the empty hope and ambiguous change he promises (but will never deliver).

I don't personally know any terrorists? Do you?

Posted by: rmmiller44 | October 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

It is sad how desperate John McCain has become. He was ONCE well thought of for his "Straight Talk Express" but that derailed some time ago in favor of character attacks and bad VP and adviser choices.

Sarah Biden, whose husband STILL belongs to the Alaskan Independence Party (hello...a party to succede from the the U.S.?) and whom she gave two keynote addresses to? Recent history folks. A woman who encouraged her staff to use public email addresses so that she could get around the public information act for government officials. REAL recent history.

And now John McCain. A man who has to mention his POW history every other sentence to try to evoke sympathy and when asked about the economy won't own up to all the deregulation he has stood for that brought us here, won't give real specifics "I will reach across the aisle" about how to fix the problem or tries to pander to the electorate "I will spend $300 billion to buy up bad mortgages".

It is pathetic that people here spend a single moment on Ayers when both Palin and McCain have real issues in their closet...today, not years ago.

Posted by: thewakingmind | October 9, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

'Do you believe in a Respectable Senator and war verteran Or liberal Senator tied to ani american elements'

Based on your criteria, I'm going with the liberal Senator tied to ani american elements. Sorry

Posted by: sam99686 | October 9, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I do not care either way. Obama knows a guy who was part of a revolutionary group in the US in the 60's or were they terrorists. One man's one is another man's the other. At least Obama did not train the terrorists who actaully attacked us on 9-11 like the Bush/Regan team did, but to be fair back than we called BinLaden a revolutionary not a terrorist.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 9, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain's VP pick == a vivid example of McCain's judgement.

Bush gambled with the wealth and security of USA. Bush drove the country to ground.

McCain is gambling with the security of USA. Just imagine Sarah Palin making decision on US Military actions and answeing the 3AM Phone Call.

Posted by: Charlie180 | October 9, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"Are you ready for a President who buy a house with the corrupted money and who have so many terrorist friends?"
by: micretek

It's very simple. This is lie. His book deals are what paid for the house.

=============
Yes,
You are completely right. Obama is a liar.


Here the fact:

Obama Paid $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price For His Home, While Rezko's Wife Paid Full Price For A Vacant Lot Next Door On The Very Same Day. (Tim Novak, "Obama And His Rezko Ties," Chicago Sun-Times, 4/23/07)

The Seller Of Obama's Home "Wanted To Sell Both Properties At The Same Time." (Brian Ross and Rhonda Schwartz, "The Rezko Connection," ABC News' "The Blotter" Blog, abcnews.go.com, 1/10/08)

Obama Later Purchased A Portion Of Rezko's Land For $104,500; It Was Valued At $40,500. (Peter Slevin, "Obama Says He Regrets Land Deal With Fundraiser," The Washington Post, 12/17/06)

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a respectable Senator who is a war hero? You have go to be kidding. From what I have read, the only thing honarable about his service was that he was POW. But crashing planes, abandoning your fellow sailors. Not honorable.

Calling people that one? and not condoning racism?- Not honorable.

Hiring the same people who in the 2000 election criticized your family because you have a minority child - Not honorable.

You know we all have fallen short of God's glory.
But give me Obama any day. At least he has not stooped to the level McCain and Palin have.

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | October 9, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright was enough for me, much less Ayers...I actually agree with Obama on a few issues, but I could never trust him.

I guess the demo strategy of tying McCain to G. Bush (which is totally questionable) has been more resonate than McCain tying Obama to unsavory elements that he was indeed egaged with.

McCain is the guy in the middle. Obama is the guy on the fringe. Both left and right fringes are the wrong place for America to be.

Posted by: arrowspace90 | October 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I implore all Americans to realize what serious allegations these are. Obama certainly doesn't want you to. The media evidently doesn't care that Obama doesn't want you to know these things. If there were nothing to them they would have been addressed buy Omaba himself and the media's darling would have been given every opportunity to do so on any forum he desires from Oprah to a Madonna concert. Heck even the nightly news. This man is going to be responsible for our nation's security and we don't even know he is Muslim in faith. If these things aren't as important to you as the economy- then I call to question your patriotism.

Posted by: mblackfordster | October 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain for Governor of Arizona
Palin for Governor of Alaska

Re-elect both of these. Keep them out of national politics. Limit danger to their own states.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Are you ready for a President who buy a house with the corrupted money and who have so many terrorist friends?"
by: micretek

It's very simple. This is lie. His book deals are what paid for the house.

=============
Yes,
You are completely right. Obama is a liar.


Here the fact:

Obama Paid $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price For His Home, While Rezko's Wife Paid Full Price For A Vacant Lot Next Door On The Very Same Day. (Tim Novak, "Obama And His Rezko Ties," Chicago Sun-Times, 4/23/07)

The Seller Of Obama's Home "Wanted To Sell Both Properties At The Same Time." (Brian Ross and Rhonda Schwartz, "The Rezko Connection," ABC News' "The Blotter" Blog, abcnews.go.com, 1/10/08)

Obama Later Purchased A Portion Of Rezko's Land For $104,500; It Was Valued At $40,500. (Peter Slevin, "Obama Says He Regrets Land Deal With Fundraiser," The Washington Post, 12/17/06)

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

If Obama's association to Bill Ayers is not a big deal, why is Obama lying about it? His 'some guy in the neighborhood' excuse is an obvious cover-up for something Obama does not want the public to know.

Posted by: RAF3 | October 9, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Here's what senile old man McCain doesn't understand:

NO ONE GIVES A CRAP ABOUT BILL AYERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR GAS, FOOD AND THEIR MORTGAGE!!!


McCain doesn't want to talk about our tanking economy because it doesn't affect him and his fancy lifestyle.


McCain in April 08 declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and economic adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "Americans are whiners about the economy" remarks, is back with the McCain campaign again.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


*The $100 Million Man*
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt - Priceless*
That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


*Charity Begins at Home*
As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:
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Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
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Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


*Private Jet Setters*
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


*Help on the Homefront*
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxT0s_I5WtA
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

You mean Michelle Obama is NOT related to Strom Thurmond?

I really didn't think McCain could hurt his campaign more than by picking Sarah Palin', but the Ayers nonsense and the rest of Republican stuff has proven that neither party, neither candidate is worthy of representing the American people.
We deserve better and we can start to get it by not voting for and actively voting against EVERY INCUMBENT we can for the next three election cycles.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 9, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton .... still ran the best adminstration in your life time, regardless how young or old you are."

That's got to be one of the most ridiculous statements that I've ever read. On what factors do you attribute that to? His luck of getting out of office before the rest of the country noticed that the dot-com speculation bubble had burst and was going to cause a recession? Or was it that his White House chief of staff didn't care if WH employees watched porn while at work?

Billary tried to ram a ton of socialist garbage down the throats of the American taxpayers and thankfully it failed. The Republican Congress kept a tight rein on spending and the taxes from the dot-com bubble are the reasons there was a surplus the last couple years he was in office, not any of Clinton's economic policies.

Posted by: flatlander1992 | October 9, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

You want to talk about past associations Mr. McCain? Try 'the Keating 5,' or G. Gordon Liddy. That's just for starters.

The Board that Obama served on with Ayers, was a charitable foundation run by the Annenbergs.

You recently listed Mrs. Annenberg as one of 100 ambassadors that support you. By your campaign's standards, you enlisted the support of a woman who gave a prominent position in her foundation to a domestic terrorist.

What does that say about you?

I say it is part of what makes you unfit to serve.

In my post, I let you dissect yourself with your own words from your failed 2000 primary. It is a video that I hope people use and share.

What have you become John McCain?

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccains-campaign-tactics-show-he-is.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain says the issue in the Obama/Ayers relationship is that it shows poor judgement on Obama's part, but that's a dangerous issue for McCain to raise, seeing as how even leading Republicans are questioning McCain's judgment in selecting Palin as his running mate.

Posted by: aguy7 | October 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Didn't McCain cheat on his first wife with the rich cheerleader ?

Now there's a real Christian thing to do.

Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

edelweissdoug ...

On your statement below:

"Obama World View: America is a greedy evil which must be restrained. Government is the answer to the problems of the downtrodden. Taxation's purpose is to redistribute wealth and to manipulate behavior.


McCain World View: America is a powerful force for GOOD in the world and the people can accomplish great things if they are UNCHAINED. Americans are the most charitable people on the face of the earth and don't need Government to decide where to distribute their charity for them."

Does the world feel that we are a 'force of GOOD'? Please, leave your rhetoric to your brownshirt friends. I'm sure the recepient of our GOOD-ness (or is that GOD-ness) disagree with our worldview (or is that make the worldconquest).

We have deep issues at home. Time to conduct proper engagement (Afghanistan), reengage in diplomacy vs. empire protection and focus on the national economic crisis at hand.

You fell for the 'class war' lock, stock and barrel. Can we leave the blind rhetoric and focus on the future?

Posted by: frankinbend | October 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Risky? A republican says the word "risky"?

Some examples of "risky" action are as follows:

* Invasion of Iraq - bankrupting USA ($10B a month, $1Trillion total waste)

* Deregulation & Non-transparency: Deregulation of High Tech firms is very good. Deregulation of Banks and financial firms was risky and disasterous.

* Cronism: MacCain and Bush's personal traits. It is risky.

* Unilateralism and Non-diplomacy: They are really really risky.

*John MacCain: Risky. Too unstable. He has no idea when he says "I know how to fix this economy". "I know how to kill Bin Laden". "I know how to win the war in Iraq."

*Continuation of Bush: Way way too risky.

Posted by: Charlie180 | October 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain for Secretary of State

Palin for Governor of Alaska

Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

CC, you ought to do a story on how McCain and Palin rallies are increasingly sounding like Klan and Nazi rallies. How long before one of these animals kills somebody?

'Fox News’ political reporter Carl Cameron is on the trail with John McCain. Reporting from a live McCain rally this evening, he said:

You’ll hear the booing behind me. In recent days, when Barack Obama’s name has been mentioned, it has gone from boos and hissing to actual chants and calls of traitor, criminal, and even terrorist.'

'During one of McCain's rallies, a man could be heard yelling, "Off with his head," when McCain spoke about Obama's tax plan.

The McCain campaign says they don’t condone it, they don’t want to see it happen, but it’s happening more and more every day.

The crowd reaction may have something to do with the frequent charges from the McCain campaign that Obama “pals around with terrorists.”

Posted by: drindl | October 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

PALIN: MS HUBRIS, USA
In its modern usage, hubris denotes overconfident pride and arrogance; it is often associated with a lack of knowledge combined with a lack of humility. An accusation of hubris often implies that suffering or punishment will follow, similar to the occasional pairing of hubris and nemesis in the Greek world. The proverb "pride goes before a fall" is thought to sum up the modern definition of hubris. In reference to someone being in hubrity: hubrity is a fulfillment of being hubristic or a continual behavior of being prideful. Victor in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein exudes hubris in order to become a great scientist, but is eventually regretting this previous desire. Faustus in Christopher Marlowe's play Dr. Faustus exudes hubris, all the way until his final minutes of life.

Posted by: nacnudbob | October 9, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"It's the old 'cover up is worse than the crime' strategy."

We have seen this strategy before methinks:

"I don't care much about an old dictator who is still unrepentant, it's not about him, it's about Saddam being candid and straightforward about his WMD."

Posted by: spanielmcnugget | October 9, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Today....after millions of GOP advertising dollars have been spent.....

Gallup Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 2761 RV 52 41 Obama +11
Rasmussen Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 3000 LV 50 45 Obama +5
Hotline/FD Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 852 LV 47 41 Obama +6

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I want to hear more candor from Sen. McCain, actually. More candor about how he lost all those Air Force planes; more candor about all those lobbyists running his sleazy campaign; more candor about how long he was dating Cindy while he was still married to his first wife; more candor about how many homes he and Cindy (and her companies) own; more candor about his connections with the gambling industry; more candor about his health (in depth); more candor about his connections to right-wing nutjobs who sponsored terrorist campaigns in foreign nations; more candor about all those websites being scrubbed that related to Sarah Palin right after he nominated her for Vice President!!!

Senator McCain wants candor? GREAT!!!

How 'bout he offers some to the voters first.

Posted by: miraclestudies | October 9, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for a President who buy a house with the help of the convict and who befriend with so many terrorist who bomb our capital, pentagon, and kill our people?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

==========

Again, a low information voter, with a story that was debunked way back when Clinton was still in the running.

Are you ready for a President that actually gets how to fix the health care crisis, instead of being willing to throw 20 million people under bus and tax businesses for trying to provide a benefit to their employees?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"I can only vote for Mccain. Obama is pro-abortion, a radical socialist and has strong ties to a terrorist (although he denies it). Say's he knows him from his neighborhood."

....Right, the recent 700 billion dollar bailout bill wasn't an example of radical socialism ? You remember that bill, the one Bush insisted we needed and both Obama and McCain voted for. And what exactly are these "strong" ties you mention ? The ones Limbaugh and Hannity are claiming ?.....


He claims to be a Chistian, but he promotes abortion and gay marriage.

(Promotes it, or doesn't think the GOVERNMENT should be telling a woman what she can do with HER body. Or that the GOVERNEMNT shouldn't intervene if two people who love each other can't get married. You sound like the big government RADICAL to me, prying in to people's personal lives. There are pleny of pro choice Christians, you need to be aware of that. And for the record, neither Obama or Biden favor gay marriage. Get your facts straight)


He claims that he is experienced, but we all know that he doesn't have any.

(We all know ? Who exactly is we ?

Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If you want tyo know the REAL Obama-

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occident in California. He is
very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of
drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant
mind, did not apply himself to his studies.

'Barry' (that was the name
he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad
Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer
of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a 'round the world'
trip.

Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his
roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.My question - Where did he get the money for this trip?

Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college.When he came back he starte d school at Columbia University in New York .It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ?
It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition?
Student Loans? Maybe.
After Columbia , he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago ? Why not New
York ? He was already living in New York .

By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a
real estate developer in Chicago .Rezko has been convicted of fraud
and bribery this year. Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade'
by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association'.About two
years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. After Law school, he went back
to Chicago . Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland.Guess what? They
represented 'Rezar' which Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first
major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago .In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama
with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a
new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than
asking price).With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the
money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased
the adjoining empty lot for full price.The London Times reported that
Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three
weeks before Obama's new home was purchased.Obama met Nadhmi Auchi
many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele
Obama's boss.She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make
any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz , Iran ! Do we see a pattern here or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was 'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with 'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran .

This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported
that during Obama 's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing
about the war until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in
Pakistan ? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign
contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and
middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East ?


All of the above information I got on line.If you would like to check
it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie
Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington
Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press been reporting this?

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Lets talk about Palin’s guilt by association. She is the political running mate of a man who has tried to fraud the system. Her running mate received numerous concessions and bribes from Keating. Her running mate didn’t just know people involved with illegal activities, he was INVOLVED in illegal activities. Activities that carry the same stench of what our economy is facing today. This is the equivalent of Ayers being the one running for president, which wouldn’t fly at all. Both men in deep stuff, neither with a conviction. Prior to the court hearings, the papers were littered with the word “bail-out”. How ironic. Maybe when Palin returns to Alaska and tries to run for some public office, her opponents will smear her name with her association to that McCain fellow.

Posted by: MoJo4 | October 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You mean Michell Obama is NOT related to Strom Thurmond?

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This attack is an attempt to raise doubt to Sen Obama's judgement and candor. It was Sen McCain who was Charles Keating's friend. It was a bipartisan commission that stated Sen McCain used poor judgement with his associations with Charles Keating.

Posted by: sales10 | October 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The problem with McCain using this argument to impinge Obama's character and judgement is that a dirty political campaign says more about McCain's character and judgement than it does Obama's.

Posted by: Mezee | October 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

There is an old saying that politicians do not give the intelligence of voters enough credit. Using this thought as a premise, there is an underlying belief that voters are smarter than either the politicians or the Main Street Media give them credit for.

There are far to many examples that in past elections the facts demonstrate that the majority of voters are generally very easy to manipulate. The prime motivator of most humans is fear and loathing. And politicians and their managers know this.

In this election you can see it on both sides. Generally, the democrats are developing a loathing of Republicans and Sen. McCain. And, Republicans have been using both fear and loathing as the campaign has taken on a very negative tone.

I do not think this was the case until McCain and Sen. Obama had secured their respective nominations. Since that time, there have been attacks by both sides regardless of the candidates early statements that they wanted to have the campaign be about the issues.

However, ever since Sen. McCain has hired the key architects of the "slash and burn" strategies of the past Bush campaigns, the McCain Campaign has turned decidedly more hostile and negative.

They have come to the realization that they need to be extremely aggressive in order to turn this election away from the key issues... especially anything doing with the economy.

Now they are resorting to the most virilent and bitter tactics. This is a win at all costs strategy. The people who are running McCain's campaign used these very same tactics against him when he ran against their guy - GWB.

They know that fear and loathing almost always works. They have proved it in both 2000 and 2004. And now, that they see their chance to hold onto power slipping away, they are even getting more aggressive. And McCain is allowing this to happen!!!!

When was the last time anyone saw the wife of any candidate for president unleash vicious attachs as Cindy McCain has recently? You can expect this from the VP canidiate,but, the candidates's wife? This is getting really out of hand. You can hear it in the deep distain and even primal hate coming from many in the McCain rallies. It is getting real scary.

The vitriol coming from not only the McCain surrogates, but from the candidate and his wife is generating a huge amount of deep hostility and even deep hate from the McCain supporters. People are coming to the rallies to be whipped into a frenzy by Palin. Whe she is finished with her rousingly negative speech, people leave in droves when McCain starts to speak. While he is getting more and more negative lately, he just doesn't have the speaking style that gins up the hate the troops came to hear.

The McCain campaign is clearly aware of this and is using these emotions to hopfully spread their brand of negativity in a desperate effort to whip up the general electorate. They fully know that there is a very large number of voters that respond to fear and loathing. It has worked for GWB many times.

Spreading false inuendo and even lies does not matter. Bill Ayers is really no more of a key issue this election than is McCains involvement in the Keating Five or his involvement in ratial hate groups he supported in the past. Or the fact that Gov. Palin's husband was a member of hate group that wanted to succeed from the US. Does it matter that McCain is taking huge contributions from the same people who funded the charities of Bill Ayers?

If guilt by association and the fear and loathing these emotions generate is the prime criteria on which the voters are to make their decision for predident, then we know the politicians are right... voters are as dumb as they have proven in the past.

It is clear that most of the media love a "food fight" It sells. Media careers are made from promoting fear, loathing and distrust. But how is any president ever going to govern effectively under such circumstances. This is getting way out of hand and very, very scary.

Posted by: scr02882 | October 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's not even get started on Cindy McCain and her using Phony prescriptions in names of others (who did not know) to get prescription drugs for abuse.

Anyone else would have been sent to jail for identity theft and god knows what. She was let go by DEA and went through "rehab".

Ha! Talk about abuse of power.

Posted by: FlipSidePolitics | October 9, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers for Secretary of State!

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | October 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association? Why are you not reporting on the Palin's ties to the Alaska Independence Party? If you're looking for treason...

Posted by: chroma601 | October 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"What happened to forgiveness and second chances. Ayers did some not so bright things in an effort to bring about change he saw as necessary. He has repented and admitted that his tactics were wrong. "

I could forgive Ayers, but I don't agree with his actions or beliefs. Obama's connection shows he is a kindred spirit. It is not a matter of forgiveness so much as denial in your sad belief system that this is a bad thing.
He did not repent. He said they should have done more violence, I guess that's what you mean by admitting his tactics were wrong....

Posted by: TerryUSA | October 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 9, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Ayers bombed a restroom at the Pentagon. McCain bombed Vietnamese villages.

Posted by: thrh | October 9, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's her address to a SEPARATIST GROUP encouraging them and congratulating them on "good work"!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Posted by: FlipSidePolitics | October 9, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Why is it never mentioned that Ayers was a college professor and community award winner at the time he was on the same board as Obama of a Republican-funded eduction project?! This is a total non-issue and Obama has been WAY too polite about it,

Futhermore, McCain as REAL terrorist ties: Byrd - KKK the largest domestic terrorist organization responsible for untold thousands of deaths and other violence.

Thurman, outspoken racist for many decades who advocated de jure discrimination and segregation via Jim Crow laws. When exactly was his "repentence"?

Liddy, CONVICTED anti-democracy criminal and known terrorist plotter who plotted abduction ("disappearing") American citizens and murders. McCain's big buddy and contributor and he STILL appears on his radio show. Another unrepentant criminal and terrorist.

Posted by: smorg | October 9, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, there are issues of character, behavior, associations, etc... and the political junkies and wonks will all spout and debate them. But the public generally considers all that to be just the noise of the talking heads.

I believe the choice in the 2008 election will come down to making a clear distinction between the world views:

Obama World View: America is a greedy evil which must be restrained. Government is the answer to the problems of the downtrodden. Taxation's purpose is to redistribute wealth and to manipulate behavior.

McCain World View: America is a powerful force for GOOD in the world and the people can accomplish great things if they are UNCHAINED. Americans are the most charitable people on the face of the earth and don't need Government to decide where to distribute their charity for them. Taxation is a necessary evil to generate revenues for the appropriate business of Government, which is constitutionally limited.

If this distinction is clearly drawn, and the producers still outnumber the dependent (not a foregone conclusion anymore), the choice for McCain is clear.

Posted by: edeldoug | October 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

OOOOOOO

I am soooo scared...

It would be funny if McSame and Falin were so pathetic.

It won't work this time. People have learn from the 2 GWB elections. Your guy sold the US down the river twice.

It's time for a change Obama 08

Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"I know how McCain can save money. He can cut all the anti-bullying programs in schools accross the country. If our children are to follow his lead and Palin (this is the example she sets as a MOTHER)
then being the BULLY gets the rewards. According to McCain and MOTHER Palin calling others names, making fun of them and being aggressive are how you succeed in the world. If you vote for McCain/Palin don't complain when your child is a bully or is bullied. According to them it is the American way!"

Actually, Obama is showing that it pays off to stand up to a bully. I know a lot of my friends had doubts that Obama would be able to stand up to the vicious Republican attacks. Just because he comes off cool and calm doesn't mean he can't fight if he needs to.

Once Obama's organization got going, McCain didn't stand a chance. Sure, the old man kept it close at first by following the Bush method, but Obama got staffers out there and led one of the most massive campaigns of door knocking, phone calling and reaching out farther than most Democrats would dare. It worked against Hillary and now its just thrashing McCain.

Republicans better learn this quickly as the Democrats advantage will likely expand. Yeah, the Republicans may have perfected the 30 second attack ad, but a few hundred volunteers can neutralize that ad pretty quickly.

This SHOULD be one of the big stories of the election. But I see very little coverage of this among pundits or reporters.

That's fine with me. I'm fine with the secret weapon remaining a secret.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk,
what you are saying is that Obama and Ayers wrote in English and that is suspicious? You present no evidence of anything. We are suppose to believe your conclusions but nobody knows who you are. You can't be serious...

Posted by: fernando1958 | October 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Palin and Separatist Group Alaska Independence Party are doing their good work! Really tearing country apart by spreading lies.

Posted by: FlipSidePolitics | October 9, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Are you ready for a President who buy a house with the corrupted money and who have so many terrorist friends?"
by: micretek

It's very simple. This is lie. His book deals are what paid for the house.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 9, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

If so, I would love to have someone from Obama's campaign explain why the entire press corps, the Secret Service, and the local police idled for two hours in a Miami hotel parking lot recently because there was nothing to do and nowhere to go. It was not an isolated case.

The national headquarters in Chicago airily dismisses complaints from journalists wondering why a schedule cannot be printed up or at least e-mailed in time to make coverage plans. Nor is there much sympathy for those of us who report for a newscast that airs in the early evening hours. Our shows place a premium on live reporting from the scene of campaign events. But this campaign can often be found in the air and flying around at the time the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric" is broadcast. I suspect there is a feeling within the Obama campaign that the broadcast networks are less influential in the age of the internet and thus needn't be accomodated as in the days of yore. Even if it's true, they are only hurting themselves by dissing audiences that run in the tens of millions every night.

The McCain folks are more helpful and generally friendly. The schedules are printed on actual books you can hold in your hand, read, and then plan accordingly. The press aides are more knowledgeable and useful to us in the news media. The events are designed with a better eye, and for the simple needs of the press corps. When he is available, John McCain is friendly and loquacious. Obama holds news conferences, but seldom banters with the reporters who've been following him for thousands of miles around the country. Go figure.

The McCain campaign plane is better than Obama's, which is cramped, uncomfortable and smells terrible most of the time. Somehow the McCain folks manage to keep their charter clean, even where the press is seated.

The other day in Albuquerque, N.M., the reporters were given almost no time to file their reports after McCain spoke. It was an important, aggressive speech, lambasting Obama's past associations. When we asked for more time to write up his remarks and prepare our reports, the campaign readily agreed to it. They understood.

Similar requests are often denied or ignored by the Obama campaign aides, apparently terrified that the candidate may have to wait 20 minutes to allow reporters to chronicle what he's just said. It's made all the more maddening when we are rushed to our buses only to sit and wait for 30 minutes or more because nobody seems to know when Obama is actually on the move.

Maybe none of this means much. Maybe a front-running campaign like Obama's that is focused solely on victory doesn't have the time to do the mundane things like print up schedules or attend to the needs of reporters.

But in politics, everything that goes around comes around.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/politics/fromtheroad/entry4507703.shtml


A look ahead - make it up as you go along. hide anything that smells.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Let's play the association game. McCain accepted funds form a domestic terrorist who did more to undermine the stability of the country then Ayers did. G. Gorden Liddy. He had plans to kill a journalist and members of the Gov't that opposed his boss.

His connection to Keating cost this county 2.5 billion dollars in Gov;t bailout when their business dealing went south. It should be noted that Cindy McCain, a know drug user, recevied 100% of he investment back from Silverado while many americans lost money.

McCains son was on a Board of Directors of SIlver State bank, but quit three weeks before a multip billion dollar baiout.

McCain was a member of the Concil Of World Freedom, which was a know a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.'. When asked about it he stated it was no ones business, but his.

Posted by: varesident1 | October 9, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting to hear an actual accusation. I mean: Obama knows a guy who did bad stuff a long time ago -- that's it?

If that's the worst you can say about him, then maybe he should be president.

Posted by: dougmuder | October 9, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

On the resurgence of Bill Ayers by McCain camp, this piece below when Hillary brought that up in the Primaries. Link for the article:

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Daley accused Hillary Clinton and other critics of Obama's association with Ayers of "re-fighting 40 year old battles." And the mayor noted that he, too "know(s) Bill Ayers" and has "worked with" Ayers on city education reforms.

The mayor released the following statement:

There are a lot of reasons that Americans are angry about Washington politics. And one more example is the way Senator Obama’s opponents are playing guilt-by-association, tarring him because he happens to know Bill Ayers.

I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally-renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.

I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well. It was a difficult time, but those days are long over. I believe we have too many challenges in Chicago and our country to keep re-fighting 40 year old battles.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/daley_dont_tar_obama_for_ayers.html

Posted by: cantabb1 | October 9, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

There are two HUGE problems with the Ayers attack. The first was pointed out by The Fix, it happened a long time ago and no one is claiming that they are close. The second one, that is being ignored, is that the news is saying, "Ayers former sixties radical." To the electorate, sixties radical conjures images of pot smoking and fighting "The Man." The general electorate does not know, nor do they care to know, the details of the weather underground and their activities. All they know is Obama may have talked to a guy who tried to fight the people who just lost them $2 trillion of retirement money plus a $800 billion bailout bill. People are mad in flyover land. Loose associations with someone who was as mad, if not madder than they are, at "The Man" is not going to go over as a negative with many swing voters.

Posted by: caribis | October 9, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Again, what are your "Presidential Standards" for election?

Which man has met those standards in the past?

Obama far surpasses them all, especially George Bush.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

No wonder McCain and Side Show Barbie are talking about anything and everything but the real issues like the economy, healthcare and Iraq!!!


Troopergate Report'll Come Out Tomorrow


You betcha bottom dollar that tomorrow, there'll be report.


Despite Palin's flip-floppin' on cooperatin' with the investigation, despite Republican efforts to drag those doggone activist judges into this thing, the report is comin'.


"At 3 p.m. today, lawyers for six Republican legislators who last week lost a court case seeking to halt the legislative investigation will try to persuade the state Supreme Court to overturn Superior Court Peter Michalski's dismissal of the case."

"Meg Stapleton, a local spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, said Todd Palin is answering Branchflower's questions but isn't hopeful of a fair outcome."

"Todd certainly wants to make sure that everyone knows he has nothing to hide," she said. "But Todd and the governor both feel the outcome was predetermined and prejudged back when the governor was named a vice presidential candidate."
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53632.html
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Well Meg, where I come from, it's called fairness, just simple fairness. OK, I'd like to just really quickly mention there, too, that when you look back and you say that you'll cooperate with an investigation, and Republicans vote for it and all, and then you say it would be just all partisany, and that's not accurate.


But I guess it's so obvious I'm an Alaskan outsider. And someone just not used to the way you guys operate.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 9, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

What about Obama getting a sweetheart deal on his multimillion dollar home with the help of convicted criminal Tony Rezko??? Obama says he was a bonehead for doing it and then everyone forgives him. To me this seemed criminal on Obama's part and a lot more serious than his relationship with Ayers. They both show how poor Obama's judgement is, though.

Posted by: MyView49 | October 9, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for a President who buy a house with the help of the convict and who befriend with so many terrorist who bomb our capital, pentagon, and kill our people?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Once elected president of the Harvard Law Review --more of a popularity than a literary contest -- Obama contributed not one signed word to the HLR or any other law journal. As Matthew Franck has pointed out in National Review Online, "A search of the HeinOnline database of law journals turns up exactly nothing credited to Obama in any law review anywhere at any time."


A 1990 New York Times profile on Obama's election as Harvard's first black president caught the eye of agent Jane Dystel. She persuaded Poseidon, a small imprint of Simon & Schuster, to authorize a roughly $125,000 advance for Obama's proposed memoir.


With advance in hand, Obama repaired to Chicago where he dithered. At one point, in order to finish without interruption, he and wife Michelle decamped to Bali. Obama was supposed to have finished the book within a year. Bali or not, advance or no, he could not. He was surely in way over his head.

According to a surprisingly harsh 2006 article by liberal publisher Peter Osnos, which detailed the "ruthlessness" of Obama's literary ascent, Simon & Schuster canceled the contract. Dystel did not give up. She solicited Times Book, the division of Random House at which Osnos was publisher. He met with Obama, took his word that he could finish the book, and authorized a new advance of $40,000.


Then suddenly, somehow, the muse descended on Obama and transformed him from a struggling, unschooled amateur, with no paper trail beyond an unremarkable legal note and a poem about fig-stomping apes, into a literary superstar.

I bought Bill Ayers' 2001 memoir, Fugitive Days, for reasons unrelated to this project. As I discovered, he writes surprisingly well and very much like "Obama." In fact, my first thought was that the two may have shared the same ghostwriter. Unlike Dreams, however, where the high style is intermittent, Fugitive Days is infused with the authorial voice in every sentence. What is more, when Ayers speaks, even off the cuff, he uses a cadence and vocabulary consistent with his memoir. One does not hear any of Dreams in Obama's casual speech.


Obama's memoir was published in June 1995. Earlier that year, Ayers helped Obama, then a junior lawyer at a minor law firm, get appointed chairman of the multi-million dollar Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant. In the fall of that same year, 1995, Ayers and his wife, Weatherwoman Bernardine Dohrn, helped blaze Obama's path to political power with a fundraiser in their Chicago home.


In short, Ayers had the means, the motive, the time, the place and the literary ability to jumpstart Obama's career. And, as Ayers had to know, a lovely memoir under Obama's belt made for a much better resume than an unfulfilled contract over his head.

That much said, preliminary QSUM analysis supports an Ayers-Obama link. Systems designer Ed Gold--with twenty years of high-level experience in image and signal processing, pattern recognition, and classifier design and implementation--volunteered to run a QSUM scan on multiple excerpts from both memoirs. “I have completed the analysis,” he wrote me, “and I think you will be pleased with the findings.” In assessing the signature of sample passages from Dreams, he found “a very strong match to all of the Ayers samples that I processed.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html

just neighbors indeed. Obama is still hiding everything about himself.


Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"I can only vote for Mccain. Obama is pro-abortion, a radical socialist and has strong ties to a terrorist (although he denies it). "

Ha! so you would rather have separatists in VP office waiting for President to die rather than what you claim as "radical socialist"?

You would rather believe in a weak claim of connection between Barack and Ayers, than look at Sarah Palin addressing the Separatist Group called Alaska Independence Party?

You are willing to sign all your future generations into poverty and debt and possibly leave country 1 state short all because you believe Barack is radical socialist?

Posted by: FlipSidePolitics | October 9, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

JBFromFL --

McCain committed adultery leaving his first wife for the woman he cheated with for months. He married the rich young chick and left his wife to raise their 3 children alone.

I'm against abortion too. I'm also against adultery, drinking, and I am especially against killing hundreds of thousands of human beings (already born and raised) in unnecessary wars. As a Christian, all of these activities are sinful and hurt our society.

However, none of the things I mentioned above should be legislated by our federal government.

The Bible teaches that no sin is worst than any other sin.

Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

WOW!!!! Way to many topics to discuss here. One thing thats sticks out is the fact that Obama has continued been called either untruthfull or just a plain out lie to the American people. Do wa remember the reasons that we went into the Irag war. Weapons of Mass destruction, be it a dirty nuke or chemical warfare. talk about calling the kettle black here. Look at both records before judging. I have Obama 08 and btw Obama in 2012. Bring it home baby

Posted by: GrandVizier | October 9, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama should fess up that he was on the Board of the Annenberg Foundation with Ayers, and that they were both selected for the Board by that notorious terrorist, Leonore Annenberg.

She's a McCain backer and contributor; McCain was crowing about it just a couple of days ago.

Posted by: thrh | October 9, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

chelle5165 is right on Ayers. Ayers's mission to radicalize (his words) students in public school and tap Obama to dispense the funds for that is most disturbing, more than than the weatherman history. (Though trying to dismiss that by saying it happened when Obama was a child is a canard. Ayers said in 2001 he didn't bomb *enough* ) Did you seriously contend the media has prosecuted the Ayers issue already? The media have worked full time to glorify him, not reveal him. All the digging is done by citizen journalists. Some of us are putting together his history with the socialist "New Party," Obama's time training ACORN people(now investigated in 10 states for voter fraud and a player in the housing meltdown) and his bizarre contention that he had no clue, even after attending his church for 20 years, that Rev. Wright was a tad off the bubble. None of it makes a thrill go up our legs.

Posted by: washingtonpostviewer | October 9, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe our economy is not what it used to be, but we have not had another 9/11 and that is sucess to me. And while you go on about the economy, you should acknowledge that it is not as bad as it could be. In the last eight years our economy has survived: 9/11, two wars, hurricane Katrina, flooding in the midwest, huge forest fires in California, and a multitude of other natural disasters. We have gone through less, and had our economy suffer more down turn than this. This economy wouldn't be so bad now, if the news media wasn't so bent on using terms like "worse than the Great Depression" when we are no where near that bad off. They love to link their headlines to pictures of stock brokers covering their mouths in horror (except when you look closely you will see that they are trying to cup their microphones so whoever they are talking to can hear them). But I guess it makes a good photo op. Our economy will recover. National security is another issue all together. If the world doubts our resolve to keep our country safe and support our allies, other countries will attack us and the loss of life and freedom would be irreplacable.

Posted by: huhmmm31 | October 9, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: space1nvaders | October 9, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Terrorist?? Ayers was a Viet Nam War protestor. If we had had more protestors then this war would not have happened.

The real terror in our society now is the economy. These wall street bankers and their Republican party co-conspirators of Bush and McCain just let them get away with murder. McCain participated in economic terror previously when he assisted Keating in bilking us out of $Trillions of dollars back in the early 1980s. He was judged to have been guilty of "bad judgement" in the Savings&Loan Bailout. "Bailout" ... sound familar? "Bad Judgement" ... yeah, I would agree with that.

And, of course, McSame will say - very sternly will say ... "I take full responsibility for ________" (fill in the blank). You could fill it in with
My relationship with Keating
My failed first marriage from cheating on my wife
My crashing 5 (read that FIVE) Navy planes

The man has terrible judgement as proven
by choosing "WHO??" as his VP.

If you want to talk about terror then investigate the fire on the Forrestal. McSame was right in the middle of it. He was a "self professed" hot-dog. His "admiral Daddy" got him out of several scrapes. Think about it and then vote for him if you like and you too can become a "terrorist" enabler.

Posted by: McSame_WHO | October 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If you want a good discussion, let's look at electing OBAMA versus electing BUSH....

what are the "Presidential Standards" he met?

How did Bush qualify?

What code of ethics did he meet in 2000? in 2004?

We are replacing Bush, so let's judge our candidates for the job with that in mind. He met WHAT standards during his elections??

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"The difference with Obama and Ayers is that Barack knew who Bill Ayers was. He may have been a kid when the Weathermen were bombing buildings and espousing anarchy, but someone as street smart and politically aspiring as Barack Obama had to know that Bill Ayers was (and still is) an Anti-American radical. It didn't matter because the relationship was another brick in the building of political career. Barack says he only knew Ayers in passing. . .and he wasn't in church the Sunday that Rev. Wright preached fire-breathing racism. And Bill Clinton never had sex with that woman, Richard Nixon didn't know anything about the Watergate break-in, and my family didn't know we were had the Fuhrer trimming the roses."

I am not even sure where to start with this. I am assuming based on this post that you are a republican and therefor more than likely a Christian. What happeed to forgiveness and second chances. Ayers did some not so bright things in an effort to bring about change he saw as necessary. He has repented and admitted that his tactics were wrong. He has spent his life since thattime doing more good for his community than most people will ever do for theirs. I urge people to look at the man as a whole before passing such judgments likely based on rhetoric and not actually education on the issue. I guess that is the repulican way though.

Obama 08

Posted by: sicntrd | October 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If McCain's career had begun in a right wing radical's living room, we would have heard it every day as the top story, but to the Post, Obama's beginning in Ayer's house is a trivial matter.
Ayers was involved in bombing government buildings. I realize to Chicago Democrats and Washington Post (what for these days passes for) journalists, this is actually a big plus. But for Republicans, and independants sake you can't out and out celebrate the connection, so you avoid saying anything at all.
The media has lost all credibility that it ever has had in the last few months. Even the Liberals are noting (some with glee) that accuracy is now secondary to ideology and actually acting as an arm of the Obama campaine on a day by day basis in now the major goal of US journalism.
I will never trust you guys again.

Posted by: TerryUSA | October 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

While Obama was on the board of directors with ACORN, did he get his $126,000 from Fredie Mac/Fannie Mae (The second largest amount ANY Senator has EVER received) before or after he voted to kill S.190 which would have brought oversight to all secondary subprime lenders.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Real" issues with Obama:

His association with ACORN (training leaders)

ACORN's involvement with VOTER FRAUD

ACORN's links to FANNIE MAE/FREDDIE MAC

Obama's contributions received from Fannie/Freddie

Posted by: chelle5165 | October 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for a President who buy a house with the corrupted money and who have so many terrorist friends?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Here's a Great post:
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Sorry, but the truth isn't "liberal." It's pretty funny to hear you right-wingers screech when things don't go your way, just like infants in the sandbox. And I don't need to be lectured on "loving America" by the same self-loving conservatives who opposed every advance in human rights in this country for the last 70 years. You have destroyed this economy every time you've gotten your hands on it, though Democrats always clean up your messes. You have killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world. You have beaten, dragged, lynched, and defamed everyone who looks different from you or disagrees with you.

I don't need your moral judgments on liberalism, because you have no ground from which to make them. You are morally, intellectually, and now financially bankrupt. It is you who hate the idea that America means dialogue and compromise--you want it all, all to yourselves.

I love my home and my country too much to cede it to the likes of you. It's not America I hate--it's your philosophy. America is more generous, decent, and kind than you have ever let it be, or would ever let it be.

That said, it's an American tradition to honor our fellow Americans' hatefulness as their "right." So I honor your right to continue hating everyone to the left of Hitler. But you will never, never, get my vote, and I will work as hard as I can to undermine your every effort, in every way I can, as long as I live.

Enjoy watching history move past you. It will whether you want it to or not.

Posted by: Mike A | September 3, 2008 1:50 AM
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A refreshing comment by a "thinking" American.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 9, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for a President who buy a house with the corrupted money and who have so many terrorist friends?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's a Great post:
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Sorry, but the truth isn't "liberal." It's pretty funny to hear you right-wingers screech when things don't go your way, just like infants in the sandbox. And I don't need to be lectured on "loving America" by the same self-loving conservatives who opposed every advance in human rights in this country for the last 70 years. You have destroyed this economy every time you've gotten your hands on it, though Democrats always clean up your messes. You have killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world. You have beaten, dragged, lynched, and defamed everyone who looks different from you or disagrees with you.

I don't need your moral judgments on liberalism, because you have no ground from which to make them. You are morally, intellectually, and now financially bankrupt. It is you who hate the idea that America means dialogue and compromise--you want it all, all to yourselves.

I love my home and my country too much to cede it to the likes of you. It's not America I hate--it's your philosophy. America is more generous, decent, and kind than you have ever let it be, or would ever let it be.

That said, it's an American tradition to honor our fellow Americans' hatefulness as their "right." So I honor your right to continue hating everyone to the left of Hitler. But you will never, never, get my vote, and I will work as hard as I can to undermine your every effort, in every way I can, as long as I live.

Enjoy watching history move past you. It will whether you want it to or not.

Posted by: Mike A | September 3, 2008 1:50 AM
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A refreshing comment by a "thinking" American.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 9, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

If I were Obama, I wouldn't waste my time with the Keating 5 deal. If the negativity gets any worse, I would unleash a two-minute documentary on Sarah Palin. It doesn't even have to be negative per se, as long as it's the TRUTH. That should be enough to sink McCain once and for all.

Talk about bad judgment?? Talk about truthfulness? John and Sarah are being pretty hypocritical pressing Obama on the Ayers issue when they have a closet full of Alaskan skeletons themselves!

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 9, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

the braindead geezer in this race is john mccain.

Posted by: drindl | October 9, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

There are more problems with the guilt by assossiation with Ayers.

First, Ayers turned himself in to the police in 1981 and all charges were dropped. In an ideal world people are innoncent until proven guilty. There is no question ayers was a member of the weather underground, he freely admits it, but other than the classification by the FBI of the organization as a terrorist organization because of the bombings there is apperently no one willing nor evidence to link ayers to said acts otherwise he would have been convicted.

Second, Ayers has not since 1981 been a member of the W.U. and actually sounds like someone who has moved away from his more extreme views in the late 60's and early 70's. Based on the current evidence it would be hard not to find the guy, if you had the evidence, guilty and then ultimately put him on probation.

Third, the big problem with Ayers is that he has not apologized for his acts, but it really would seem that at least some well concected Chicagoans have forgiven him if he is a college professor and on the board of a charity established by a former Nixon appointed ambassador to Britian.

At this point somebody needs to prove to me Ayers still is a terrorist. No one can do that with out Ayers saying so. So therfore Ayers is not a terrorist.

Posted by: christm1600 | October 9, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I for one don't care about some 60's radical who may or not be sorry for things the group he belonged to did. Obama and Ayers worked on a board of charity together. Unless the charity was bombing buildings, I don't give a hoot about all of this.

Posted by: jake14 | October 9, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

sds4jesus places all the blame for the status of our current economy on 1 1/2 years the democrats were in the majority in congress.

The previous 12 years with a republican house, and 10 years of controling both houses with almost 8 years the presidency also, have no blame.

Get real, get a life, yesterday you blamed it all on Clinton who hasn't been in office since 2000 and whose last 5 years, with a republican gun to his back for a blow job in the Oval Office, still ran the best adminstration in your life time, regardless how young or old you are.

Posted by: eda11 | October 9, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Now for a minute consider the brain dead geezer the Libs have chosen for number two. does he even know what day it is, which of the 57 states hs is in, what time he is supposed to be over at the hechingers for the rally?

Palin was direct and perhaps repetitive in her focus on lower taxes, less government, and individual responsibility (especially for personal debt) — and I suppose what Brooks would call populist in her vocabulary, tone, and Fargo-mode of expression. But when they were through, Palin proved the more truthful and pragmatic, inasmuch as the glib Biden turned out to have misled in almost everything he professed, from our own Constitution to Hezbollah's presence in Lebanon. Even the folksy reference to his hometown diner was inaccurate. And that raises the age-old Euripidean question, "What is wisdom?" or maybe those general Hesiodic warnings about the dangers of moral regress that sometimes can accompany intellectual progress.

.....Obama little ethical protection from the close association with the virulently racist Wright or warns him not to talk after 2001 with the now boastful and proud ex-terrorist Ayers, and no judgement about the moral course in the earlier conduct of his disturbing Illinois campaigns, or principled consistency in his ideas about NAFTA, FISA, campaign financing reform, drilling, the surge, Iran, taxes, abortion, or capital punishment — or even the abilty to distinguish between maintenance of proper tire air pressure and the need to expand American oil production.


In the present financial meltdown, mostly caused by some of the brightest and most educated of our own on Wall Street and DC, it is not anti-intellectualism to wonder what the Harvard Law School educated Barney Frank was doing, when, as a key overseer of Fannie Mae in a now much viewed House Banking Committee session, he pompously waved off his moral responsibilities and gave the disingenuous Harvard Law School educated Franklin Raines a pass to continue to milk the venerable institution on its road to perdition.

In this regard, the eloquent, sensitive philosopher Obama, despite his current protestions about Iraq and an insistence on his principled and long-standing and unflinching opposition to the war, during that brief euphoria over its elections and in his eagerness not to seem out of sync with the then Democratic mainstream, in July 2004 gushed, "“There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.”

Look for an ever evolving position on everything with votes gained as the metric for support.


Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I know how McCain can save money. He can cut all the anti-bullying programs in schools accross the country. If our children are to follow his lead and Palin (this is the example she sets as a MOTHER)
then being the BULLY gets the rewards. According to McCain and MOTHER Palin calling others names, making fun of them and being aggressive are how you succeed in the world. If you vote for McCain/Palin don't complain when your child is a bully or is bullied. According to them it is the American way!

Posted by: waxmac | October 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Things that are not in doubt about Sarah Palin -
1) Todd Palin was registered as AIP member for 6 years.

2) She, as governor, addressed AIP convention and asked them to "keep up the good work".

AIP's sole aim/objective is it demands a vote on whether or not Alaska should remain part of USA.

AIP has actively encouraged its members to infiltrate Democratic and Republican parties to bring about their goal.

Is it "Very Patriotic" of Sarah Palin to not just speak at their convention, but also encourage them to keep up the good work. What about Todd Palin - was he accidentally member of the Separatist Group for 6 years?

Folks really!

Posted by: FlipSidePolitics | October 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I can only vote for Mccain. Obama is pro-abortion, a radical socialist and has strong ties to a terrorist (although he denies it). Say's he knows him from his neighborhood.

He claims to be a Chistian, but he promotes abortion and gay marriage.

He claims that he is experienced, but we all know that he doesn't have any.


Posted by: JBfromFL | October 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Although there are problems with the Ayers attacks, the Washington Post has identified them incorrectly. There are two problems: One, the Ayers issue should have been brought forth sooner and, two, Obama's relationship with Ayers is only the tip of the iceberg. Barack Obama's past adult associates of choice included not only urban terrorist Ayers, but also an assortment of left wing extremists, hate-mongering racist ministers, Chicago political hacks, and even criminals.

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

bad relation:
Obama and Ayers
Worst relation:
McCain and the Republicans

Posted by: fernando1958 | October 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

As much as the well-read, rational, thinking public might discard this issue as a non starter, their is a sizable number of people out there for whom the truth is whatever they're told by the TV. And those people VOTE. They also breed, but that's a whole other problem. This issue might appear to be the boneheaded, desperation tactic that it is, but to many out there, it's just another reason to justify their oversimplification of complex issues. Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American.

Posted by: jphelan40 | October 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Bcamp55---

your shallowness is astounding. I want a better future. YOU probably helped elect Bush...twice. Bush, the worst president in the history of this country. His past? Drunk, drugs, party, lies, draft evasion, sports owner jobs, ignorant, arrogant, stubborn and foolish. Soooo, what is the standard YOU use to elect a President and WHY was Bush exempt from it in 2000 and 2004? Why on earth would Bush be qualified with those sterling qualities...and you say Obama is lacking? Don't be offended if we laugh at you.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

PAST ASSOCIATIONS MEAN SQUAT. Some of you really believe that if you grow up as a neighbor to a guy that turns out to be a serial killer when he grows up that it will somehow make you turn to serial killer? Does anyone think before they speak anymore? That is the most idiotic logic ever to think past associations determine ones morals, beliefs, and ideals. Grow the F up people.

Posted by: jsaindon | October 9, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with the truth? It's something the WAPO wouldn't know about. LOL! Hey, WAPO, when your boy Obama starts tanking because he is weak and indecisive, I will be here everyday to remind you of your bias and how you drove the peoples opinion toward the stupid sh*T Obama.

Posted by: dragonfly777 | October 9, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Vote for McCain is you don't want the world to crack wide open and then the devil to jump out and stick us all in the rump with a pitch fork!!!(sarcasm....)

Posted by: supoman | October 9, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Nobody listens to Sean Hannity except others of his ilk.

You people who actually think Obama is a terrorist... dream on. This Ayers stuff is old news, re-hashed and regurgitated by a desperate campaign.

Obama is ahead in the polls and in the hearts of Americans, and the hearts of the WORLD, for a reason. We did our homework and made the right decision.

The Thinking Man and Woman don't fall for the fallacies that McCain is spewing.

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 9, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is McCain a hero? He is just a survivor. The hero was the Vietnamese guy that brought his jet down. He didn't even know where the escape device that he was suppose to pull was located, he almost drawn (because he was a bad student). Where is this Hero title comes from?

Posted by: fernando1958 | October 9, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain is exposing himself with negative campaigning. The last thing he can afford is heavy advertising by Democrats on his participation in the Keating Five scandal - especially if the heavy ads start two weeks before the election.

Palin has her problems also - especially the Troopergate Scandal as well as her "First Dude's" political leanings. The public will be happy to hear he wants Alaska out of the US.

Unfortunately McCain & Palin are falling in the polls and they won't be able to see any way to win except for the mud slinging. That will result in the attacks being returned and they are very vulnerable.

Posted by: KHMJr | October 9, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Remember the attacks on G W Bush that pertained to his time in the Reserves? How many years had it been since his service in the Reserves had ended? How many campaigns was he in where this same issue came up? If this tactic was fair then, it's fair now.

Posted by: guythompto | October 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association? You betcha...doggone it? Alaska Independence Party, Troopergate (currently underway), Charles Keating, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle and Dennis DeConcini, McCain was investigated by the Senate Ethics Committee and then went on to say we would win Irag, be greeted as liberatorsm and that the war would be fast. I wonder what other bones remain in Mr. Mavericky and Ms. Clueless's closet of skeletons....

Posted by: indytucker | October 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Seems like exploitive pandering to the fears of this less inclined to be superficially judgemental. This may cement the votes of those already cemented and those undecided but leaning McCain, but it may drive away some who had been merely considering McCain. These low road tactics are damages beyond the election itself.

Posted by: Lantern | October 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Just another example that the guy with 10 houses could care less about the middle class and the economy.

Posted by: supoman | October 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Ayers, 63, spent 10 years as a fugitive in the 1970s when he was part of the "Weather Underground," an anti-Vietnam War group that protested U.S. policies by bombing the Pentagon, U.S. Capitol and a string of other government buildings. Nobody was hurt in the attacks by the defunct organization, which the FBI labeled a "domestic terrorist group."

Today, Ayers and his wife -- fellow former Weather Underground fugitive Bernardine Dohrn -- live in Hyde Park, where they moved after surrendering in 1980. Federal charges against the two were dropped because of improper surveillance, so they avoided prison."

from http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/902213,CST-NWS-ayers18.article


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So let me get this straight Ayers was sooo dangerous, and such a terrorist back in the '60's, (supposedly the leader of the 'Weather Underground') that the FBI dropped the charges against him, and he is now Today Ayers is a professor of education and a Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois.


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Oh, and he lives in Obama's neighborhood. Such damning evidence!

Posted by: el_barto | October 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/fear-and-loathing-in-town-hall.html

Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Fear and Loathing in the Town Hall: A Predictive Fantasy

(The camera looks at the hall from above, into the hall, from the POV of the stage. Red meat has been hung from the walls and rafters, along with dollar bills which, upon closer inspection, are prop money.

The crowd is seated. They are strangely quiet. Their manner is that between those who are waiting for their instructions, post-op surgical recoverees, and post-war survivors. They are slightly slumped, in the same posture.

The candidates enter from opposite sides of the rear of the stage and walk to their podiums. The crowd rises as one and cheers with a loud, aggressive fervor reflective of their desperation.

Obama is standing tall in stride, looking a bit overcome by the experience, although genuine. McCain is smiling--his cheerful public grimace, although there is some genuine pleasure. His eyes have the slightest glaze of a gradually oncoming fog.)

MODERATOR: Tonight is a different format--one where you, the public, can ask your questions directly to the candidates. None of the questions have been screened in advance, and the candidates have been given no advance notice of what the questions, or who the questioners, might be. And with that, we begin. Our first question:

CITIZEN 1: My name is Jan, I'm from Murfreesboro? I've been watching the news, and I'm scared. I can't say that I've listened much about the stock market before? But I know that it's going down, and that's bad. I don't know what's going to happen to my job, or my house, or my kids. My question is for Mr. McCain? What will you do to help us understand what is going on, and to make it clear just what you will do about it?

(Crowd applauds vigorously as Jan sits down with a bit of embarrassment).

MCCAIN: (Holding the top of the rostrum with both hands and smiling): Well, first, I want to welcome each of you here tonight. You know, I know what each of you are feeling. I think that each of you must be scared--as I am, of not verifying myself in my father's and my grandfather's eyes. But, that's not so important today--or, at least saying it isn't. What is most important is to appear that I understand an economy that just months ago I said that I had little understanding of at all. I want to win. I need it, frankly, as a way of overcoming my own personal horrors and demons, of overcoming the anger that was bestowed and thrust, unwillingly, upon me. And that's why I'm still willing, even as the sharpest edges of mental function fade, to propel myself through this mass of insult. I understand how to respond to insult. With anger. And impulse. And that's what I'll bring to the White House, come January of 2009.

(Crowd applauds vigorously)

MODERATOR: The next question is for Senator Obama.

CITIZEN 2: Thanks. My name is Ross, from Shreveport. First-time caller, long-time listener. My question is: Senator Obama, it's not an error that you were given the middle name "Barack". We know that that is the same name of the murderous. Communist leader of Iran--and that's no accident. (A slight murmur from the crowd. The moderator looks vaguely stunned, but does not interrupt). Now, when you were going to Russia, with Bill Ayers, and dodging the draft--just like William Jefferson Clinton--(speaking more quickly now, more aggressively, turning to the crowd)--why weren't you here at home, saving our banks from the Liberals and the Socialists who want to take our money away from us and just give it to the terrorists?

SARAH PALIN: (Poking her head out from the wings, with a big smile): You betcha'!

(She withdraws).

OBAMA: Well. First of all, I also want to welcome you all here tonight. You know, I know that this is a difficult time. Many of you are worried about your jobs, your families, your homes. There are times that test a man's soul, and every woman's as well. And I know that this may be one of those times. I can understand why you would be frightened, even angry at what this nation has done. But we are a nation that has risen up in adversity even in the best of times, we found our strength, and honor, and courage, our ability to work as one, when faced with the most difficult situations. And I want to call on each of you, in that spirit of patriotic sacrifice, to join with me in that effort in the days ahead.

(Silence. Then applause, as the recognition of actual thought begins to spread through the crowd. It swells, and finally, subsides).

MODERATOR: The next question is for Senator McCain.

CITIZEN 3 (He is a man who appears to be in his early 40's wearing blue jeans that are stiff and obviously brand-new. They are perfectly creased. He is wearing a tight fitting, also obviously new T-Shirt that says "Average American...And Black With Rage!" beneath which is an American flag. He is wearing black wing-tip shoes. ). Senator McCain, I'm just an average American, just an average Joe, just your Average Joe-Sixpack (Blackberry begins ringing)...Oh...
excuse me...just...a...sec...my boss's phone...(whispering tensely into phone:) "No...I said sell. Sell. Yes, the entire portfolio. No, not Ghanan timber, for god's sake, gold, the lot of it. Jesus H....(tucks Blackberry back into pants pocket and then readjusts his stance to that of average Joe, slumping to one side again and changing his voice back to it's original tenor). Like I said, just an average Joe Sixpack. And I'm wonderin'. I heard what Mr. Hussein just said about "rising up", and I'm wonderin' if that's exactly what he wants to do! Oh, sure, he wants us to band together to rise up--where have we heard that before? Socialists! That's what they do! (crowd begins to murmur, and in the rising heat, the smell of the fresh meat begins to waft faintly through the hall). Rise up! That's what he wants to do! Well, we need to rise up! Against those kind of Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Atheist, Marxist policies! (the crowd is talking, some nodding their heads). And so what I want to ask you, Sen. McCain (crowd quiets), as an average everyday American, is this: What is it like, being a fighter pilot and all, when you know that Barack Hussein was out there, palling around with his Communist friends?

MCCAIN: Well, my friend--and by that, I mean that all of you are my friends--I'm glad you asked. Not everyone has had the luxury of gaining an education merely on the basis of their own talent, or the opportunity to travel the world learning how to be separate from important family members without their having significant pull, or to be able to experience the variety of foods that one has the chance to consume when they are paid for by the State. And, I can say that, in that way, I haven't been quiet as lucky. But I will say this--I will not look such fortune in the face and say: 'Fine, I'll work on education with the Bill Ayers of this world', "I'll be at the top of my class at Harvard", when I can be down, down there with you at the bottom! I know what it's like to be at the bottom when I've had all the opportunities--and I want to share that experience with those of you who have had none. You're angry. I'm angry. We have that in common. Let's be angry together, satisfied that, for another for four years, we've put those who have the arrogance to think for extended periods in their place, content in knowing that we're right--even if we're wrong.

CITIZEN 4: Hiya. My name is George, from Midland, altho' some would say Kennebunkport, heh, heh. I have a question for ya, John, and it's this. Listen: I'm goin' to be out of a job soon. Oil futures aren't lookin' that good, and I've got to tell ya', I didn't have too much luck there in the first place. So I'd like to ask ya, one flyin' man to another--what do you think I oughta do?

PALIN: (emerges from wings with purposeful strides to McCain's podium): I've got to take this one, John. Mr. Bush, if you can't figure out what you want to do after you leave and we move in, take a little time off, and then you come right up to Alaska. They love hunting just like you--and you can fly, you can learn to do it from a plane! The pipeline's big enough for any number of mistakes. So you come up here when you're finished--we've got plenty of bars with plenty of bowls of nuts and plenty of televisions right on Wasiila Main street--we'll take care of you right!

(Bush smiles and sits, crowd applauds, Palin, smiling and waving, exits).

CITIZEN 5: Well, look. This is a serious question. I'm John, from Carpenter. It's for both of you. I've got two kids, 4 and 6, a boy and a girl--so sweet. You know. My wife, she was working for the WaMu branch, center of town. It's closing next week. She's been looking in the ads, the newspapers, online--nothing. It's all she can do to keep a smile on her face for the kids. Myself, I built a commerical trucking business from the ground up. Sixteen years. Sweat everyday, grease on my hands, I can never get it out. We were never rich, but I made a good living. I didn't know about investing--who does, you're not born with it! Anyway, I went to an investment advisor, it seemed like the safe thing to do, protect the kids, plan for the future, not use my own dumb head (smiles). Well, he was so smart, and he was so sure, and he had it all planned out. And it looked so impressive on paper. Now--all of a sudden--it's gone. Everything is changing. It's changing so quickly. It seems like nobody--nobody knew. Not even the people who were supposed to! Everybody was talkin', makin noise, thinkin' of one thing: Themselves, themselves, themselves. Never worrying to think about someone else, about the future, about the next moment.

Well, now the next moment is here. And I wanna know--what are the two of you really going to do about it?

(The room is quiet as his last word echoes in the hall. The raw meat is rocking, slowly in the air, and the paper bills are gently fluttering). You can see Palin in profile, standing in the wings, holding her chin in her hand. The two candidates stare straight ahead, holding the podium. They are silent).

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/fear-and-loathing-in-town-hall.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | October 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for another terrorist attack with a greater scale from "THE ONE", but not from outsider?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

========================================

And another low-information voter buys into the fear mongering from the Right.

Are you ready for a President that actually thinks for himself and clearly understands the issues facing America as well as how to attack those issues with a clear head and well thought out ideas?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of typos in today's blog. Did anybody proof the copy before it was posted to the web?

Posted by: kitico | October 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. We have Obama's distant relationship with Ayers against McCain's direct connection with Charles Keating; the dozens of lobbyists who have worked on the McCain compaign, and McCain's campaign manager who continued to be paid by Fannie and Freddie until it was no longer politically expedient.

Then we have Sarah Palin attending a 1994 convention of the Alaska Independent Party where they called for succession and the 2000 convention which she liked so much she agreed to give a keynote address in 2006 and recorded a greeting in 2008. The party's founder stated, "I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." and was killed during an illegal sale of plastic explosives. How does that compare to Ayers?

Posted by: vaney18 | October 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

All this guilt by association. The guy worked on a non-profit organization with Ayers and given the tone of the typical 60s activist, Ayers was probably enamored with helping an up and coming black politician. After all, wasn’t civil rights also part of the 60s? Obama, being up and coming, was probably grateful for the help and support. True, the guy was involved in a group that engaged in terrible activities, but he left that group, or rather got kicked out, because he wasn’t willing to go far enough. He was also involved in civil rights. And the government didn’t think it was so bad as to stop him from becoming a professor later in life. But still, Obama is guilty just for knowing and accepting help from Ayers. HE didn’t do anything. His associate had a radical past.

Lets talk about Palin’s guilt by association. She is the political running mate of a man who has tried to fraud the system. Her running mate received numerous concessions and bribes from Keating. Her running mate didn’t just know people involved with illegal activities, he was INVOLVED in illegal activities. Activities that carry the same stench of what our economy is facing today. This is the equivalent of Ayers being the one running for president, which wouldn’t fly at all. Both men in deep stuff, neither with a conviction. Prior to the court hearings, the papers were littered with the word “bail-out”. How ironic. Maybe when Palin returns to Alaska and tries to run for some public office, her opponents will smear her name with her association to that McCain fellow.

Posted by: MoJo4 | October 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I will never understand.

There's a constant flow of worthless commentary on blogs about liberals and liberal democrats and the libs...

But conservative Americans need to step back and see that "liberals" essentially run and inhabit the social, economic, and entertainment capitals of the United States (located on the east and west coasts.)

So, the parts of the country that are actually most at risk for any sort of terrorist attack are inhabited by mostly people who are not insanely worried about terrorism, at least not in the same way most war-loving (and bible-loving? that makes no sense) conservative republicans are. I am so sick of people using 9-11!! You don't live in New York! You're not at risk. People in Manhattan were actually hit with a terrorist attack and 95% of them want Barack Obama to be their next president. So why do you think you know what they need better than they do? You're out in nowhere ranting about country first and being strong and spreading good....through war??? And this is supposedly coming from Christian people? Take a look at what you're pushing for here.

And what's even more ironic is that the ideals, attitudes, and support of actions that come along with those ideals and attitudes is what puts us more at risk for being attacked and hated by other countries.

IT MAKES NO SENSE! Step back and realize that the same parts of the country you're so concerned about getting hit with terrorist attacks are mostly in support of Obama.

Not only that, but stop going on about the damn liberal media. You're the same people who devour all of the TV, music, and movies that come out of New York and LA and are thought up by, produced, directed, and edited by what you're calling liberals. INCLUDING ADVERTISING!

Posted by: DBGL | October 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I see conservatives blabbing on about ACORN all over the place. Why do I care? I thought ACORN was an organization that tries to help communities organize.

What is so bad about it? Is there any reason to demonize ACORN besides extreme paranoia? From where I'm sitting ACORN seems about as nefarious as the ACLU.

Posted by: zosima | October 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

It amuses me that the deluded right still try to say that Obama has no substance and is all rhetoric. During the debates and just about every speech he has given since has been about specifics. Perhaps the righties just can't comprehend what he is saying. Perhaps he needs to dumb it down for them.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

supoman wrote, "McCain is at the "try anything" stage. In the next two weeks he'll prob try to link Obama with satan...."

Perhaps McCain could pay the hockey player Miroslav Satan to endorse Obama. Imagine the fun Matt Drudge could have with that.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

We are not terribly political at my office but yesterday a group of women were asking if anyone knew who Ayers was and what was the deal. They all looked a little stunned when they were told. I told them Senator Obama pointed out that he was eight when it happened. The response was, "Oh my gosh, this is worse that his minister. It is association with an american terrorist. There's alot of smoke, isn't there?"

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ROTFLMAO.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 9, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Barack may have served with Ayers long after his membership in WU.

Sarah Palin has slept with and born children of a man - Todd Palin - who was a member of a Separatist Group for 6 years -- Alaska Independence Party.

There is also a video of her speaking to AIP convention and encouraging them to "keep up the good work".

Now - who exactly is associating with people who want to split this country apart? who is encouraging them to "keep up the good work"? AIP may not have blasted anything - but who really believes that Separatist Groups are a good thing and are doing "good work"?


Posted by: FlipSidePolitics | October 9, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Are you ready for another terrorist attack with a greater scale from "THE ONE", but not from outsider?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain."

there is so much mental illness out there. tragic. once a great nation, now populted by lunatics and morons.

Posted by: drindl | October 9, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

There we go....bring out the FEAR. It is the hallmark of the Rove/mccain era. Cower, people, run in fear. Always the same message.

Be SCARED, folks. GOP says fear, hate, fight! fear hate fight!

Not anymore. Eight years of fear hate fight was enough.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama wasted $100 million dollars heading Ayers' airhead "education reforms". After 6 years of failure, Obama didn't have the sense to change tactics or quit. Either Obama simply wanted the fancy title to make his resume look good or he's clueless about what truly works for the underclass. Juneteenth parties instead of math & science initiatives?! How stupid.

Posted by: Allie3 | October 9, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Palin is unable to understand the consequences of her words. In the UK she could be silenced for instigating violence. She is worse than Bush in her conspiracy theories. She is toxic. Given the anger that is going to mushroom in America as a result of the crash, the number of guns you have going around, inflammatory language Palin style could start a bloody civil unrest. If Palin ended up with any power, many people would end up dead, maimed, disabled, broken, many lives would be ruined and destroyed, because
Palin with her self righteousness and inability to understand even basic issues, would think that her limited thought process is God's word, and somehow, somewhere, her violent narrow understanding would take hold. It's already happening. Beware, this woman is dangerous. And Mc Cain's "Country first" ??? The man is old and full of himself. Thank him for his past services and send him home come November.

Posted by: raphaelraphael | October 9, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

both wives were on the same law firm in chicago

Posted by: getsix1 | October 9, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Dead last 13 writes:

"Don't buy into the lies of the members of the obstructionist congress who are trying to blame all our problems on Bush. I haven't been his greatest fan but the dems shot him in the back in order to discredit him so they could first gain control of Congress. They have accomplished this in 2006; now they are going after the presidency, and thanks to their voter fraud programs like Acorn and the left leaning news media they are going after the presidency as well."


So the only way the Dems win is by employing voter fraud ?

As opposed to say Bush using the Supreme Court to swing the election his way in 2000 LOL.

Bush is the POTUS. The chief executive of our government. Our chief foreign policy represenative and the face of our nation.

Like old Harry Truman said, the buck stops here.

Republicans wouldn't be blaming the WH, if a Dem was in charge and we were in the fix we're currently in ?


Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If guilt by association is enough then McCan't should be hung.
Repulsives only know how to defame a person and not how to improve the average American's life. They know how to sow fear and dissent, but not how to unite. Obama is younger than McCan't, but that doesn't make him better. What makes him better is that he made it on his own, not by riding his father's coattails into Annapolis. If Daddy hadn't been feared there he would have been kicked out, but was allowed to stay and finish at the bottom of the barrel. I want a president this time that understands what hard work is and is capable of LEARNING new information, caring about a problem enough to study and ask questions, and with enough energy to finsh a project before taking a month's vacation in Texas.

Posted by: 1Greensix | October 9, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Sallieismydog
Writes ============ WHY IN THE HELL DOES AYERS MATTER SO MUCH TO US?? Fix this economy. Fix our healthcare.

It is not simply Ayers; it is a laundry list of the exact same type of people he has CHOSSEN to live his life with.

Imagine if you had children. Would you in your wildest dreams expose them in their formative years to someone like Rev Wright who used the pulpit to spew his racist, anti American views?

The irony is that if it was McCain and his pastor was up there espousing KKK rhetoric; the church would have been burned to the ground by now.

BTW – Having worked in the health care industry for more than 17 years I can tell you Obama’s health care plan, as it would function today, does not address the issue with your nephew any better or worse than McCain’s.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Smart tactic. Spend the rest of he money you have vetting this Obama Ayers Wright thing.

Again...

If you voted for GWB, and are for McBush, you are a gluten for punishment and punishment you will receive when the election occurs. Additionally, you have not credibility in advising others on how to vote.

Funny, very few of these people will admit voting for GWB once, let alone twice.


Posted by: DougH1 | October 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The heck with Ayers. After her latest tirade, I'm concerned about McCain's association with Cindy.

Posted by: officermancuso | October 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

hummmm is among the morons and propagandists who are neck-deep in Ayers sh*t. This braindead BS is astonishly dumb.

More and more, McCain looks like sick, desperate old man.

Posted by: drindl | October 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain is at the "try anything" stage. In the next two weeks he'll prob try to link Obama with satan, Bush, Hitler. Anything to make himself look like the right candidate. Which it is growing ever clearer HE IS NOT!!!

Posted by: supoman | October 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin is unable to understand the consequences of her words. In the UK she could be silenced for instigating violence. She is worse than Bush in her conspiracy theories. She is toxic. Given the anger that is going to mushroom in America as a result of the crash, the number of guns you have going around, inflammatory language Palin style could start a bloody civil unrest. If Palin ended up with any power, many people would end up dead, maimed, disabled, broken, many lives would be ruined and destroyed, because
Palin with her self righteousness and inability to understand even basic issues, would think that her limited thought process is God's word, and somehow, somewhere, her violent narrow understanding would take hold. It's already happening. Beware, this woman is dangerous. And Mc Cain's "Country first" ??? The man is old and full of himself. Thank him for his past services and send him home come November.

Posted by: raphaelraphael | October 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

How is it that Gov Palin can hear comments like "You're hot!" shouted out in Bethlehem, but doesn't hear the "Kill him!" comments? She busted herself by responding to the "you're a hottie" shout out with a "what's that got to do with anything" response.

Posted by: pumor | October 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for another terrorist attack with a greater scale from "THE ONE", but not from outsider?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

David Frum has some sound advice for his party at the Nat'l Review:

http://frum.nationalreview.com

"We conservatives are sending a powerful, inadvertent message with this negative campaign against Barack Obama's associations and former associations: that we lack a positive agenda of our own and that we don’t care about the economic issues that are worrying American voters."


I couldn't have said it better myself. Perhaps by 2012 the GOP will know what they stand for & explain it to the voters.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 9, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

To sds4jesus, you should read a book on economics, not get your talking points from Hannity. The house of cards that Bush built was bound to come crashing - we had been borrowing since 2001 to stage a "fake" boom. National debt had gone up by $4 trillion in 2006 from year 2000. House prices had ballooned by 50% where I live because of subprime lending spree (urged by Bush). Since 2006, the costs of two wars, oil crisis, and subprime mess are catching up with the country. Only a fool would attribute these to a change of congress in 2006.

Posted by: ChaniSF | October 9, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Are you ready for another terrorist attack with a greater scale from "THE ONE", but not from outsider?

If yes, Vote Obama.

If No, Vote John McCain.

Is it simple?
Yes, It is very simple.

Posted by: micretek | October 9, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Copy editors are your friends. I suggest you use them.

"But, even if McCain does eventually incorporate Ayers into a paid media campaign -- as Politico's Mike Allen says he will -- there are several reasons to believe that it is not the silver bullet that some within the Republican Party **hope believe it to be**."

"First and foremost, the economic crisis that has brought Wall Street and, very nearly, Congress, to its knees has focused voters' attention on their own finances in a way that has drowned out nearly other issue." Huh?

Posted by: bonnjill | October 9, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

No body is asking for blind patriotism, but wide-eyed, wide awake patriotism would be nice to see. I thought I saw that in Obama when I first heard him speak. But now I wonder. If Ayers has really changed his life, wouldn't he say he was sorry for the way he tried to do things before? From what I gather, he has said that he does not regret the things he did. And Ayers isn't the only guy that worries me. Obama sat in a church with Rev. Wright for 25 years and now says he didn't agree with the reverend's ideology. When I don't agree with the church I attend, I change where I go to church. I worry about what Obama's wife believes as well. She will be the First Lady if he is elected. Will other nations see a woman who loves her country, or someone who thinks it's "down right mean?" Will they see that weakness as an invitation to attack our nation, or will they see her as a potential ally in negotiations with her husband? A good economy is only beneficial if we have a secure nation and don't have to worry about our children being killed at school or our family members being bombed while at work. I don't care if I have a job, if my nation is so weak it can't protect my friends and family.

Posted by: huhmmm31 | October 9, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association? How about the Palin minister who hunts witches? He laid hands on her in a blessing within the past few years. How about How about McCain's association with his campaign manager, whose firm accepted lobbying money from Fannie Mae as recently as two months ago? How about Palin's husband and his membership in a society devoted to getting Alaska to SECEDE FROM THE UNION? Sarah Palin recorded a video to them within the last year telling them to 'keep up the good work.'

We can roll around in this kind of muck forever and not come up with anything productive. What we need to do is look at stated policy and proven results.

The bottom line is this: Under Republican guidance, all the new wealth in this country in the past 30 years has gone to the ultra-rich, the top 1 percent, while the rest of the population has seen their economic life stagnate and/or decline.

Obama wants tax cuts for the middle class and tax hikes for the rich. McCain wants to perpetuate Bush's inherently unfair tax cuts, reaping more millions for the rich while giving pennies to the middle class and poor.

It is plain to me that it is Obama's approach that will yield better results. He wants to cut the budget 'with a scalpel, not a hatchet.' Perfectly said.

Posted by: bimplebean | October 9, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

look at those polls today, folks.

Obama is leading. The ominous smokescreen theories aren't working. Same as it was a few weeks back before the smear campaign....except Obama is picking up some more states...odd, isn't it. The GOP just can't beat people into buying into all of this fantasy this time.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind this guy OBAMA is most likely a crook who has trained numerous Acorn crooks that are involved in massive voter fraud as you read this. The vote fraud is just the icing on the Obama cake.

"Cooking the books" is criminal whether you are a politician or so called business executive. These people knew that really bad uncollectible loans were being made and that all accepted lending standards were being ignored. If you serve the people or corporate investors your duty is to never let these things happen.

The financial crash is traceable to ACORN/Fannie/Freddie and techniques they employed to harass and threaten banks into making the millions of unqualified bad mortgage loans. They had the active help and support of Democrats in congress to block any reform or attempts to stop the lending carnage. These guys always played the race card in the congress. And they played the ultimate card in Obama. (Why who would have the audacity to question the character of the nominee...it must be a right wing attack by crazed neocons led by Bush)

It was not a surprise to Barney Frank or Obama that we had the chickens come home to roost. The lending ripoff was premeditated. The timing and the unilateral bashing of Bush have allowed them to become more brazen each day that passes. They really think taxpayers are stupid enough to sit still while several trillion dollars of retirement savings is lost...just so these a--holes can win an election.

Obama never answers any question directly..he recites the well rehearsed talking points of Soros,& company. Party slogans that Putin and the old KGB must admire. But, no one has a honest account of his time in New York, his real connections to the radicals in Chicago, Texas and Saudi Arabia.

They are on the verge of success in their premeditated attack on the economy to gain votes via the mortgage crash and/or the voter fraud.. It is worse than unethical. It is criminal and on a scale so large that honest people can not even imagine it happening in the first place.

The deliberate subversion of our financial system by Obama, Frank, and executives from Fannie and Freddie as well as the greedy CEOs from Wall Street who joined in the party must be investigated by the FBI and every one of them prosecuted and brought to justice.

They have been stealing from taxpayers with the help of democrats like Frank, Reid, and Obama. They were even slipped into the first bailout to the tune of a half billion dollars. Thank god house Republicans caught this latest theft before it happened! Now the election of the fraud Obama must not come to pass.

Posted by: prhornbeak | October 9, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Its funny what dumb people will believe because they saw it on TV. Hahaha, that is why America is in the toilet now. You were feared into believing Iraq had Weaps of mass dest., then told we were liberating the people for their own good when the whole weapons thing backfired. Quit being scared you pansies. Do your own research and think about things before you spew garbage you saw on TV. Don't you knowby now anything dubbed "informational" on TV is 90% fantasy and made up? The other 10% is made up of facts and biased opinions for us to decipher which is which.

So rather than attack people on what you saw on TV, how about read up as much as you can to form an educated decision and not follow the herd blindly. Ignorance is why Bush was elected twice, lets not let it happen again.

Posted by: jsaindon | October 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Good I hope the McCain campaign spends what little time and money they have left on this. It's not going to get them anywhere at all. The only people interested in this are people who are already voting for him. The Fox News crowd.

Is it just me or is it kind of strange that he can't send out Sarah Palin on her own. It's like this weird menage a trois up there with him, Sarah, and Cindy.

Obama's in one state, Biden in another, Michelle in another one and then Big Bad Bill will be in VA.

I think that's very interesting.

I used to respect McCain, but the Sarah Palin choice just did it for me. What was he thinking?

Posted by: jboykin | October 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Your premise that this has been vetted is ridiculous!

The Democrats don't care about Ayers may be true, but most of the Country will when they know the facts.

Ayers and his ilk are the reason that Obama did not wear a flag pin or salute the Flag! Regular folks don't know this...YET!

It's the Economy....YES, and Obama and Dodd and Frank are up to their eyeballs in the mess, and the regular folks don't know that either....YET!

edge.

Posted by: edgeco1 | October 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama's connection with Ayers is fair game, and I think it was bad judgment. What I would like to learn more about is McCain's connections with G. Gordon Liddy. Because, if so, it would appear that the "bad judgment" on people (occasionally) can be applied to both. It can be applied to me, too, by the way. But unless there is a pattern of associating with unsavory people, it seems pretty irrelevant.

Is the information here essentially true?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column

Posted by: dfgrayb | October 9, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: toritto | October 9, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

SDjesus writes:

"Stop and think about that for a moment."

OK I thought about it. You think that blaming Democrats will save Republican seats in the Congress and get McCain elected.

I think you're wrong.

Next.

Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Don't buy into the lies of the members of the obstructionist congress who are trying to blame all our problems on Bush. I haven't been his greatest fan but the dems shot him in the back in order to discredit him so they could first gain control of Congress. They have accomplished this in 2006; now they are going after the presidency, and thanks to their voter fraud programs like Acorn and the left leaning news media they are going after the presidency as well.

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Posted by: PulSamsara | October 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

We are not terribly political at my office but yesterday a group of women were asking if anyone knew who Ayers was and what was the deal. They all looked a little stunned when they were told. I told them Senator Obama pointed out that he was eight when it happened. The response was, "Oh my gosh, this is worse that his minister. It is association with an american terrorist. There's alot of smoke, isn't there?"

Posted by: cbl0213 |
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Doesn't sound like there is much thought going on there. No doubt, you told the story and had little eight year old Obama practicing throwing bombs with Ayers. You idiots deserve McLame

"oh deary, deary, my gosh, my head hurts with all this misinformation."

Posted by: LABC | October 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

They can run a million ads on Ayers and Obama and it will be a waste of money. These attacks only underline the fact that McCain has nothing to say about the issues of the day. With the global economy in its worst shape since the 1930s, we get character assassination instead of policy details and direction... (And I'm sure Obama's camp can bring up the Keating association and Palin's with the AIP. None of this matters....)

Posted by: RickJ | October 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I would love to actually see some journalists doing their jobs instead of regurgutating the same garbage over and over... why not interview some of the other people that were there... let's hear from some witnesses instead of all of this circumstantial evidence.

Posted by: nation-x

Actually they have. It may not be on the Post, but I've heard several people (from all political parties) interviewed regarding this. These were people who worked with Obama and Ayers with the foundation and said that Ayers' terrorist past wasn't even an issue. Their work involved education reform and that's what they focused on. I guess if any of the Republicans try to run for office should have the Ayers ads used against them?

Posted by: kg1205 | October 9, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama did not fire the first blow in the character assassination - it was McCain who tried to bring down Obama repeatedly with "celebrity" ads, then straight smears. But rest assured, Obama will land the last punch. And how sweet it will be. McCain's approach has been pushing the envelope on race-baiting, by going on the offensive early in May on race ("That one brought it up"), then onto ads showing a black man with scantily clad white women - Great display of honor, Mr McCain! - and then onto fear ads - old white women, being frightened by black men more recently. Again, that most precious currency, integrity and honor was pissed away by McCain, in the eyes of most people except his base. And now McCain wants us to judge between him and Obama on the basis of character. I have news for you, Mr McCain - you are out of it, as in you have none. You should have deployed a strategy of getting to this point, staying clean. By being dirty, you have turned off the great middle. Keep breathing the fumes that your base like Hannity feeds you. It dooms you.

Posted by: ChaniSF | October 9, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Candor and judgement are not things that McCain should be raising. If he wants a fight on those grounds, he will lose. Obama and his team already have the game plan and the programming ready to do a take down on McCain and Palin if need be. Time will tell, and if this starts to get traction in the polls. There will be mud.

Posted by: paulstewart | October 9, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

CB writes:

"There's alot of smoke, isn't there?"

Yea, and you're blowing it.

Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

George Bush has been in office for a little over 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago:
Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
The DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000
American's were buying new cars, taking cruises and vacations overseas, living large!

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'!

So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right.
In the PAST YEAR:
Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing;
Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
1% of American homes are in foreclosure;
As this was written, THE DOW is probing another low - $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS.
YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT!
REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS??

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Stop and think about that for a moment.

NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!! JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?

Posted by: sds4jesus | October 9, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization. It was the U.S. Council for World Freedom. It was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. It was an ultraconservative right-wing group.
The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981, when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League, the parent organization, which ADL said, “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and Anti-Semites.” Now, that’s not John McCain. I don’t think he is that. But, you know, the problem is that a lot of people know John McCain’s record and he does not want to play guilt by association or this thing could blow up in his face

Posted by: 650t | October 9, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama is in a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. If he is truthful and says he barely has a relationship with Ayers, he's not believed. So does he have to make up a relationship to satisfy McCain? If there is nothing there, there is nothing to "cover up". How can he win?

Posted by: jthomas1980 | October 9, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Please please please...all I want is for the media to spend as much time researching and investigating and connecting the dots with Obama as they have done with Palin. Both have issues.

But Obama has been given a pass.

ACORN has a direct link to Fannie Mae. Obama is connected directly to both. In many fashions. But the media isn't interested--and "we the people" are sheep.

I'm not as much interested in what Ayers did as a "domestic terrorist" as I am in what he did as an "educational reformer"--will someone in the media please start telling the American people exactly what his radical view are about there--and how Obama actively participated in distributing $50 million dollars? And...how again, a big chunk of that money funded--guess who? ACORN....are they an "educational" institution?

Now, ACORN is being investigated for voter fraud in 15 swing states...

Free, transparent elections is a big part of what sets the US apart from the rest of the world. Obama helped train ACORN folks--he didn't just represent them as an attorney. He is still using these methods in the Obama camps. This, in my opinion, is far far worse than Troopergate, than the Ice Rink in Wasilla, than any other issue that has been raised about Palin.

But, if the media picks and chooses what we hear....and if most of the electorate is too lazy to do more than watch 3 minutes of Katie, Brian or whoever is now on ABC....then, I guess we deserve the socialism that we are going to get. Regardless of who is elected we move closer to socialism--Obama just moves us there faster than McCain.

Posted by: chelle5165 | October 9, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

>Voters have problem judging Obama's characters because of his short public record.

Obamas been on TV everyday for 2 years straight! Come on!
Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but only being shown in a positive, almost messianistic light, by a mainstream media that is so far up his socialist a$$ they can taste his breakfast.

Unfortunately, McCain/Palin have no choice but to go negative...that's the only way these radical Obambi associations will ever get any exposure.

Posted by: NObama | October 9, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If McCain was so concerned about Ayers why didnt say it Obamas face insteady of have the top of his ticket do his dirty work?

Why now and not months ago?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

One would have to be pretty dumb to believe that a far-left liberal Socialist like Barack Obama, and a political party that has a near 60 year (pre-1996)history of high taxes and always raising taxes on just about everything as the answer to every problem, like the Democratic Party, to now believe that they, if elected, would lower any taxes.

Posted by: armpeg
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And one would have to be extraordinary borderline retard to think that calling Obama a socialist has any impact, especially since it is coming from the party whose leader squandered a surplus, is poised to plunge us into a deep recession, and who has put a $700 billion band-aid on a still hemmoraging market. One would have to be an incredible reebo to vote for a repeat of that again, especially since the ticket is headed by a grouchy old man with tired ideas and a dippy hypocrite.

Posted by: LABC | October 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Mr 722 writes:

Bush was inexperienced and it proved too costly for us ,do Obama another inexperienced guy wou prove fatal,he doesnt have family history here in America.

(I see, so you'd prefer McCain then ? A guy who's already admitted that economics is not his strong suit ? Family history has nothing to do with ability as POTUS. Bush was born here and is the bluest of blue bloods)


His connections look dangerous his pastor and friends are anti american.

(One of his "connections" is McCain, a fellow US Senator that Obama has worked on legislation with. And I am curious how you know that Obama's friends are "anti American" ? Because you say so ? Sorry, not good enough)


There is no basis obama is capable of handling financial situation he has no record

(On the contrary Obama does have a record and a very detailed plan for the US economy. In addition, Obama has made great progress on his transition team and McCain hasn't even started)


Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey mccain, here are today's polls----does it really look like anyone is listening to your B.S.? You are paying millions to your goon staffers for this real terrific advice, and you're getting your azz kicked....doggone it, ya think it might be the ECONOMY???

RCP Average 10/01 - 10/08 -- 49.1 43.5 Obama +5.6
Gallup Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 2761 RV 52 41 Obama +11
Rasmussen Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 3000 LV 50 45 Obama +5
Hotline/FD Tracking 10/06 - 10/08 852 LV 47 41 Obama +6

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

We are not terribly political at my office but yesterday a group of women were asking if anyone knew who Ayers was and what was the deal. They all looked a little stunned when they were told. I told them Senator Obama pointed out that he was eight when it happened. The response was, "Oh my gosh, this is worse that his minister. It is association with an american terrorist. There's alot of smoke, isn't there?"

Posted by: cbl0213 | October 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

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Shows you why this stuff works for well on low-information voters. It is truly sad that our country is facing the most contested race of my lifetime, and people haven't taken the time to pull their heads out of their collective a++es and find out the truth, rather than learning secondhand like a school kid learns about sex. (Come to think of it that is also just as frightening, and mostly true.)

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't even have to read this article. There are no problems with the Ayers attacks. They are absolutley legitimate. I would love to see what the headline woul have read had William Ayers been a friend and associate of McCain. Journalism is dead, anyone who reads or buys into the idea that Obama's connections with these shady characters isnt an issue can fall of the left side of the planet.

Posted by: yokoprako23 | October 9, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza Does he even know the English language? Has the Post gone below 5th grade English? This article is so poorly written and so biased as well I can only comment on that.
This is a travesty as many millions like me are as appalled at the biased slant as we are the atrocious English syntax. Time for some Conservative Education.

Posted by: RICESKI | October 9, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The only thing they have is trying to scare you or smear the other guy. This coming from a woman who is affiliated with a group that wants to secede from the Union, participated in a Witchcraft ceremony & thinks foreign policy is about geography! He's tied with big oil, & was still taking $$ from the people we just bailed out until a couple weeks ago. Please, desperate attacks=ignorance aimed at you. Show them you're smarter!

Posted by: solsenz | October 9, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain says he knows how to get Bin Laden. Right. And Richard Nixon had a plan to end the war in Vietnam.

Cheap lies, both.

Posted by: jackson251 | October 9, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain criticizing Obama for bad judgement and candor is laughable. I'd like McCain to come clean on his involvement with Keating, the Vicki Iseman somehow-not-a-scandal and also to explain, in detail, the events surrounding the end of his first marriage.

Sorry Johnny, your high horse is of the hobby variety.

Posted by: robjmiller | October 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

We are not terribly political at my office but yesterday a group of women were asking if anyone knew who Ayers was and what was the deal. They all looked a little stunned when they were told. I told them Senator Obama pointed out that he was eight when it happened. The response was, "Oh my gosh, this is worse that his minister. It is association with an american terrorist. There's alot of smoke, isn't there?"

Posted by: cbl0213 | October 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
Remember:
We REAP what we SOW...!!!
8 Years of DEMOCRATS - PEACE & PROSPERITY
8 Years of REPUBLICANS - WAR & MISERY
If we SOW McPAIN, we shall REAP PAIN..!!!!

Posted by: MrFACT | October 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a life-long adulterer, whose political career is based entirely on his self-made myth that he was a military hero, and on the wealth of his wife's family.

He has no honor left to lose.

Posted by: jackson251 | October 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

>Voters have problem judging Obama's characters because of his short public record.

Obamas been on TV everyday for 2 years straight! Come on!

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I honestly think McCain is Presidential material. And I think its a shame that he wasn't the president over the last 8 years, as I think he wouldn't have taken the US down the path that Bush did.

Having said that, John is very old now, and the President needs to be a little bit sharper, a little bit brighter, and right now be able to show a little bit more empathy with the "ordinary" man. Choosing Palin (or Nurse Ratched as my wife calls her)as a proxy doesn't really make up for this lack of ability in his own character.

Directing attacks on the guilt by association theme (specifically in respect to a domestic terrorist) is kind of lame. Everyone knows the politicians have shady friends. McCain himself could be linked with no end of scandalous figures - Keating or even Gary Winnick (remember him - the Global Crossing fraudster?).

Look, John, I know your wife really really really wants to be the First Lady, but come on. Don't get too upset if you don't make it. Sit in the garden, play some cards and enjoy your position. You've achieved a lot and you are a great man, but the Republicans need to step back for a while and reassess themselves. There is a really BIG mess playing out right now, and petty sniping from you and your campaign is going to sully your reputation worse than your opponents.

Posted by: neilbryant | October 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I have to ask this question to everyone, because it has been bothering me for so long.

If John McCain knows how to get Osama bin Ladin, and he appears to be very close with Gen. Petreus, why doesn't he share his secret in the interest of protecting the US? I don't mean share it with the public, but share it with the commanders on the ground. If he really knows how to do it, then do it for goodness sake. What's with the waiting? Because instead, he bad mouths Obama for stating that if we have creditable evidence of the location of Bin Ladin and his followers and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to go after them, we will. Seems reasonable to me. I think McCain is jealous he didn't think of it first.

Oh, one more thing, the surge was a tactic in the larger strategic objective, providing a stable environment to allow more time for the Iraqi Parliament to work out their internal strife, instead of fearing for their lives. McCain having served for 22 years in the military and graduated second from the bottom in his class, should know this. While the tactic was successful, the overall objective was not, as the Iraqis decided most of that time would be best spent of vacation. Mr. Foreign Policy Expert seems to have missed the big picture, as usual.

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

That's right! Keep tying together the young clean-cut black man with the old long-haired white hippie radical!

The mental picture is absurd enough. McSame is getting out of his mind in desperation.

Posted by: quatzecoutl | October 9, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Right on JRM2:

I also liked the fact that Obama didn't verbally unleash the Keating/Phil Gramm/McCain story at the debate so long as McCain didn't start with his mere implications for guilt-by-association tactics. I thought Obama showed leadership and class in not laying that out there without McCain bringing it up. Obama's well aware, and he prefers to talk to the voters about the issues. Leadership and class. I didn't get to see the interview you posted about with Gibson, but I like Obama's boldness as well.

I'm waiting for similar character out of the McCain camp. Is McCain in charge, or his advisors? McCain needs to find a way to win on the issues, and display character while he's at it. That's a sincere opinion. That's the least McCain should attempt to do. I think that's his best shot at making ANY change in the current electoral map.

A question was asked if an Obama administration would mean the appointing of Ayers. I think it is self explanatory with his thought process in regards to this country. My conclusion would lead me to think the chances of Obama doing that (zero) would be much much less than the chances were of McCain selecting Palin for VP :)

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 9, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

>How absurd that they ask "Who is the real Barack Obama?"

>He has been on the national stage for 2 years now.
Campaigned in 49 states
Participated in some 25 national debates
Done dozens of television and press interviews

>while:
Sarah Palin has been on the national stage for 5 weeks
Doesn't take questions from the press
Has yet to do a press conference
Has participated in two unscripted interviews
Participated in one debate where she refused to answer questions
Acts like she's a bag-of-chips with all her expertise.

>Ironic isn't it?

Actually I fault Obama for this. They have been too soft on Palin because she a women. They are too slow and ineffective at defense.

They need to pound her on not being viable for office and her shady past.

Obama whats so hard or the big deal about defending your work on the charity board Ayers served on? Just say your proud of the work you did for it. Case closed.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

oladipot,
However, a democratic president and a democratic congress could cause a lot of damage before they are checked in another election. However, I am not worried that Obama will champion racism. I am more worried about his ties to people who seem to hate and are angry at America as a whole.

Posted by: huhmmm31 | October 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

In today's world, do we need someone else who is spouting off hatred and endorsing her own form of terrorism? How is she going to feel when some crackpot takes a shot at him and the reasons are attributed to her words?

Posted by: politicsandamericanpie | October 9, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Voters have problem judging Obama's characters because of his short public record. Association is one source from which to judge the man other than his books and promises. Is there someone from his community organizing past who can vouch for him or was it ACORN organizing? Are there credible winesses of his integrity outside of his interesting church? If Obama did reach out of his black circle and contribute to whites and other ethnic groups in the windy city then there must be honorable people in his Chicago past to vouch for him! The lack/silence of these people is disturbing.

Posted by: FloridaCounts | October 9, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Remember when the McCain campaign said THIS in March, 2008?

"Throughout his life John McCain has held himself to the highest standards and he will continue to run a respectful campaign based on the issues."

What happened McCain? How and why did your campaign get hijacked by Bush/Rove operatives? Did they convince you that the only way to win is to play it filthy and disingenuous? Apparently so. I used to at least respect the man, but he is little more than a power-hungry old crank who it too cowardly to stand by the issues.

Posted by: tdub55 | October 9, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Chris, you seem to suffer from the common journalistic malady, "I can't distinguish fact from fiction so I'll just pretend everything is the same." Why do you conclude that attacking Obama's judgment for agreeing to support Chicago school reform (by serving on a Republican-funded not-for-profit Board) may be "part of the answer" if McCain uses it in a broad negative character attack on Obama? This must mean you have applied your journalistic skill, experience and reasoning power and have come to the conclusion that Obama has done something, anything, wrong relating to this entire Ayers smear fest. Please do tell us how you reasoned your way through this thicket and added something of value to the public discourse by promoting the use of the Ayers "story." What is the story, exactly?

Posted by: getreal7 | October 9, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Talk about judgement! Sarah Palin has failed as a politician and a mother! "bridge to no where" , "troopers Scandal" as a mother! pregnant daughter in the house yet the family is one of the most conservative in Alaska!. Basically Mcain camp is led by Karl Rove a semi- illiterate guy! so don't expect anything of substance from them. Gutter and gotcha politics is their speciality. I know some guys who fought in Vietnam war! never got caught came back home safetly!!, talk about being erratic and poor judgement think Mcain!!

Posted by: sirrhinorocks | October 9, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

For the illegal bjlopez1130=========

He calls McCain’s campaign racist and uses the term “redneck” in the same post.

Hey LOPEZ; in English, we would spell that M_O_R_O_N_I_C as well as R_A_C_I_S_T you imbecile.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 9, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

What does it say about Sarah Palin, a “so-called evangelical Christian,” who:

(1) Attacks another professing Christian, Barak Obama.

(2) Continually smears another US citizen, William Ayers, who has turned his life around in a manner not unlike ALL Christians who have done wrong, been deemed sinners, repented and accepted Christ and turned their lives around.

(3) Attacks and smears a highly respected Christian leader in Jeremiah Wright.

(4) Continuously LIES and consequently DIVIDES this nation at a crucial time when UNITY is needed.

What is says to me is that she will say and do ANYTHING to earn 30 pieces of silver, including selling her own soul and even the souls of some of her own flesh and blood, and finally it tells me that she is not fit for leadership in this great nation.

Posted by: valskeet | October 9, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

>Under an Obama administration, would Ayers receive an appointment? Grants? An invitation to the White House? I'd like to hear Obama say no now.

Yeah, I wonder would Keating or Jim Singlaub under McCain?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

How absurd that they ask "Who is the real Barack Obama?"

He has been on the national stage for 2 years now.
Campaigned in 49 states
Participated in some 25 national debates
Done dozens of television and press interviews

while:
Sarah Palin has been on the national stage for 5 weeks
Doesn't take questions from the press
Has yet to do a press conference
Has participated in two unscripted interviews
Participated in one debate where she refused to answer questions
Acts like she's a bag-of-chips with all her expertise.

Ironic isn't it?

Posted by: JRM2 | October 9, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I love the McCain camp going after Obama on this dumb Ayers relationship. I think for most people who weren't predisposed to be foaming at the mouth towards any and all Democrats, this attack serves to eliminate any credibility McCain had left. I'll bet there's quite a few former McCain supporters who will be switching to Obama because this attack further exposes McCain to be full of you-know-what.

I hope they spend more money on this slime. It's certainly not gonna hurt Obama.

Posted by: Timofmars | October 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's the deal with the Ayers thing. Ayers 40 years ago was a pretty wide-eyed, misdirected radical opposing the madness that was the Vietnam war. He was convicted of no crime (though admittedly perhaps he should have been). Obama was 7 years old when all of that happened.

Between then and the next twenty some-odd years, Ayers changed his course, gained a Ph.D. and a professorship at one of the most prestigious universities in the country. He started several programs he hoped would make the lives of children in Chicago better, and was successful at attracting millions of dollars from philanthropists who also care about the lives of urban children. He has received numerous awards in Chicago for his community based work, and this is the Bill Ayers that sat on the boards of many organizations that were trying to make a difference, sat on them with dozens of different people, including Barak Obama.

Board members are not necessarily friends by any stretch of the imagination. I've served on some myself, and I know that's the case.

Obama is perfectly justified in saying that the Bill Ayers he knew, however slightly or greatly, is not the same guy that made all of those mistakes in his youth. Ayers says he wishes he could have done more to stop the war. He has never said he wishes he had helped bomb more places.

Thank God people are not tied to the mistakes of their youth for ever and ever, that we can be better in our old age. It's a lesson McCain seems to have forgotten.

Posted by: murr1 | October 9, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"But I find it simply grotesque that Mayor Daily, (sic) the Annenbergs, the Univ. of Chicago,(sic) and who knows else are willing to sit down, either professionally or socially with these creatures."

Jesus would have sat down with these "creatures."

William Ayers was a distinguished profesor at the University of Illinois when Senator Obama sat on a charity board with him. Ayers has devoted his whole life to first, trying (wrongly by violent tactics) to stop the killing in Viet-Nam- and then realizing that violence is just as wrong on both sides, has worked the rest of his life trying to improve education in his community.

What type of Christians teach hate and unforgiveness towards their fellow human beings?

Ayers has forgiven the people he opposed for killing 2,000,000 Vietnamese, and being responsible for getting over 50,000 of our own troops killed. He has led a model life for the last forty years.

I say McCain and Palin exhibit the worst in American society. They are preaching fear, hate, and division.

These are the traits of crippled and desperate people.

Not this time.

Viet-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 9, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

My brother in law is laid off from the plant closing and is mowing yards. His son, my 8 year old nephew has a progressive and debilitating illness. My sister is working two jobs to support that family and to keep their health insurance paid up.

Now one more time---WHY IN THE HELL DOES AYERS MATTER SO MUCH TO US?? Fix this economy. Fix our healthcare. Give us some hope.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"I see the usual moonbats are once again willing to ignore any evidence"

Ah, the pot calling the kettle black...

"With Obama we have a candidate who is ...still refusing to accept the surge as positive"

Correction: He and everyone else knows the surge isn't WORKING. The purpose of the surge was a temporary increase in troop level in order to facilitate several goals of the Iraqi central government which have yet to be reached. Conclusion: Surge not working....

"On the economy he likewise is tone deaf, still insisting we raise taxes, spend like crazy and regulate everything in sight, despite the obvious failure of this approach."

As opposed the the Republicans insisting on spending like crazy and deregulating everything in sight, which has lead to our current economic implosion. Get real: Bush and the Republican congress is responsible for doubling our national debt. The adults want to pay as you go.

"why is he part of an organization that steals votes (ACORN)"

Making a claim doesn't make it a fact: Care to show where ACORN has stolen any votes?

"why is he close pals with all those anti-americans? [sic]"

Like the secessionists that Palin hangs with?

"why is his fundraising so off the charts out of bounds with foreign contributions?"

LIE: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp

"so his policies are clueless, his character is questionable and his followers are cultists."

Sounds to me like projection: McShames policies are clueless, his character is questionable [he opposes torture, then supports torture. How bad do you have to get?] and his followers, illustrated by the author of the post I'm quoting refuse to accept reality and cling to their lies, which I submit qualifies them as cultists.

"In Mccain's defense, why is he still within two points with a hurricane at Obama's back?"

Well, McShame is more like 10 points behind, which in this modern world will translate into a landslide. Which is amazing considering that Obama is actually campaigning with a hurricane IN HIS FACE!

Never before has a major party nominated a non-white, and as the poster said, "most (well 48%)" of the electorate won't vote for a Black man, even when he is running against a weatherperson and man more qualified to be a busboy except he married into money.

Watch for the continuing widening in the polls as the election nears. The McShame campaign knows it has lost the election as evidenced by their running away from issues and diving headfirst into the mud.

Just don't tell the right-wing-nut moonbats!

Posted by: rafaelblock | October 9, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain has his own huge list of confirmed terrorists and despicable characters - from Singlaub to G Gordon Liddy. Why is there no outrage from the right on that score? McCain has been evasive, had memory lapses on those fronts. The dates he cites for being on Singlaub's radical Nazi organization do not jive with the records. Now he has the endorsement of Mrs Annenberg, whose husband resuscitated William Ayers' career with a plum job. Why would McCain who speaks of honor, accept the endorsement? Why would he not on principle not reject Mrs Annenberg? Because he is trying to thread a needle - criticize Obama for the same thing he is doing. What if Mrs Annenberg holds an event for McCain and Ayers shows up there? Will McCain turn around and bolt?

As John King of CNN explained the country is highly partisan. Out of every 20 people, 8 are democrats, 6 Republicans, and 6 independents. If the independents split evenly, McCain loses, 11-9.

Posted by: ChaniSF | October 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

My family used to have a little old man who was our gardener. He was a very nice German fellow. While hunched over with age, he had the bearing of a military man, I mean, you could see just by the way he carried himself that maybe he used to be important. My family loved the guy and we'd have him in for dinner and listened to his tells of "the Fatherland." Yea, Adolph was a nice fellow.

The difference with Obama and Ayers is that Barack knew who Bill Ayers was. He may have been a kid when the Weathermen were bombing buildings and espousing anarchy, but someone as street smart and politically aspiring as Barack Obama had to know that Bill Ayers was (and still is) an Anti-American radical. It didn't matter because the relationship was another brick in the building of political career. Barack says he only knew Ayers in passing. . .and he wasn't in church the Sunday that Rev. Wright preached fire-breathing racism. And Bill Clinton never had sex with that woman, Richard Nixon didn't know anything about the Watergate break-in, and my family didn't know we were had the Fuhrer trimming the roses.

Posted by: Gladius | October 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

>Obama has history and ties to dangerous anti american elements

So does McCain --> the Palin and suceeding from the USA.

By the way, what dangerous history? A Pastor who refused to be a sheep and can critisize his country objectively without blind patriotism? Thats dangerous? Thats anit-american?

Wright served his country too. Don't forget that.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign has a few problems here...

Most of America wants to hear about the issues not character attacks.

Obama's connections to just about everyone he's ever talked to have been tried in the press, a lot, already. We know.

McCain and Palin are opening themselves up to these attacks themselves. Do they really want to go there? I lived in OR when McCain went to that OCA dinner that everyone warned him against going to, which is now being revisited in the news for example. There's a reason they all told him not to go, you'll find it listed next to KKK on sites that list known hate groups in OR. It would have been long forgotten, but hey McCain and Palin want to talk about character, so he invited it.

Posted by: delusionalangel | October 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain were the man of honour he pretends to be instead of the low, skulking slimeball we are seeing, he would have had the balls to bring up William Ayerst during last week's TV debate with Obama. Why didn't he? Because Obama could have swatted it down on national television at no cost at all land lay this nonsense to rest. Instead, sthis so-called maverick, actually more of a loose cannon lets his surrogate Sarah Palin, a loose cannon in her own right, do it for him at fascist rallies where no-one in the audience has the brains or courage to question the verbal garbage this campaign spews out daily. Make no mistake, electing this pair of reckless nut-jobs would turn the disaster of the Bush years into a international catastrophe. Ask yourselves America, when that phone in the White House rings at 3.00am, who do you want answering it? An intelligent guy who thinks through problems carefully, weighs the answers and carefully plans his response, or a loose cannon with a history of making foolish, reckless and self-destructive decisions?

Posted by: ThePhotogsBlog | October 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Under an Obama administration, would Ayers receive an appointment? Grants? An invitation to the White House? I'd like to hear Obama say no now.

Posted by: tdb001 | October 9, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

There are at least three problems with the Ayres attacks.

(1) They don't help hurting people. If you've lost your job, pension, home, health care, retirement funds and are paying the highest inflation in 27 years, how do these attacks do anything to help you?

(2) They incite hatred. People at Palin rallies are shouting, "Obama is a terrorist," and "Kill Obama," and Palin is not pointing her finger at them and saying, "We don't use that kind of hate speech here." In other words, McCain-Palin are pandering to hate and trying to get political benefit from hate. Your own newspaper has reported these abuses.

(3) And the third problem is, they just aren't true. Obama was eight years old when Ayres was a radical. Obama served on the board of a charity with Ayres and that charity was sponsored by a staunch Republican whose widow supports McCain. McCain is as connected to Ayres as Obama was.

The attacks are simply an especially nasty attempt to get people to forget what role "deregulate everything" McCain played in causing the economic meltdown which is hurting us all.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | October 9, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Why is it the onus is on McCain to solve the world problems but no one ask the same question to Obama?

And it also seems that
instead of addressing the accusations of associating with terrorist,
Obama reacts like a terrorist by threatening all who dare to criticize or challenge him.

Posted by: olandug | October 9, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Some of the McCain/Palin supporters this year are just plain scary.

They either are 'true believers', and thus sure Obama is a Muslim, terrorist, traitor but that's ok as long as he just stays in the U.S. Senate, we just can't have him win the presidency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

(or)

They are just 'true exploiters'. Thus, they don't believe any of the drivel, but they'll win by any means necessary. If that means firing nonsense at the believers 24/7, so be it. Think Peggy Noonan on, and then off camera right after Palin was added to the ticket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4sOM4tpno


In either case, discouraging.

Posted by: Maurice2u | October 9, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain's a Maverick all right. A '72 Ford Maverick with a manual stick shift on the steering column.

And the "Maverick" is doing absolutely nothing to help Republican members of Congress in their desperate election campaigns with hhis pitiful personal attack strategy. McCain won't need to reach across the aisle with the campaign he's running because there won't be an aisle. There will be just be a big hall full of Democrats with a small table in a corner for the few remaining Republicans. Oh and a manger for the maverick, or maybe just a feedbag.

Posted by: landk3 | October 9, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

This obsession with Bill Ayers is silly. Bill Ayers is now a respected man and highly involved and influential in Illinois. Like Michelle Obama said yesterday in response to Larry King's question on the topic: there is no one involved in Chicago school reform who does not interact with Ayers. If the Right has a problem with Ayers' reformation, then they should take it up with him. Not that they will, and not that I'm recommending such, but it demonstrates that this is yet another silly distraction. The biggest problem for McCain is this: while he wants to "turn the page" on the economy, and insists that this election is "not about issues," he is dead wrong on both.

The result: Obama wins by 200 EVs. Landslide. Go OBAMA!

Posted by: wbgonne | October 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Charles Keating, Charles Keating, Charles Keating.

By the McCain campaign's own standards, it doesn't matter that he did nothing wrong, just the association is enough.

And by all accounts that I've seen, Ayers was never convicted of any crimes--unlike Keating or another McCain financial supporter, G. Gordon Liddy. I would ask who did the most financial damage, Ayers and his Weathermen or Keating.

I'm not interested in defending Ayers, just in pointing out the blatant hypocrisy and desperation of John McCain. If character is an issue, I see an Obama landslide.

Posted by: szwheelock | October 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

At the beginning of this election, I was pretty much okay with either candidate becoming President. Then I began to lean toward McCain when I saw a special about Obama on CNN. His lack of experience bothered me and McCain's bipartisan record made me think there might be hope for Washington D.C. yet. I really decided that McCain was my candidate when McCain put Sarah Palin on the ticket, because she has a real history of reform within her own party and an above 80% approval rating in her state. That tells me that both parties love her. That means she could work with anyone to get the job done and she would provide the support and charisma McCain needs in his Presidency. But while I was deciding who to vote for, it always was in the back of my mind that either candidate might do a good job, even if I don't always agree with Obama. Intentions are everything, and I thought his were good. However, everytime I turn around I hear another report about another friend or aquaintance that Obama has known or is still friendly with that hate America. How can someone who loves America,wants us to suceed and be a strong nation, consistently take help from and associate with people who hate our country and want it to fail. What are his intentions for this country? Why does he associate with these people? Does he really love this country, or is he trying to make it something acceptable to those who oppose it and hate what we stand for? His wifes comments about us being a "mean" country and her absence at the 9/11 ceremonies make me wonder...does she love this country or does she hate it. I want to feel safe no matter who wins this presidential election, so I really hope they can answer these questions in the coming months. I don't want another 9/11 and I really want someone who loves this country to run it.

Posted by: huhmmm31 | October 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

It was McCains aircraft on the Forrestal that somehow dropped a large piece of ordnance on the decking killing 134 crew members.

Posted by: Thatsnuts


That's patently false. If that's how you support your candidate you're just as bad as those idiots shouting 'terrorist' and 'kill him' at the McCain/Palin rallies.

Posted by: BHal123 | October 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Dear fellow Americans, DO not be stupid enough to forget that the CONSTITUTION reigns supreme in this land. Thank God for that. A president CAN NOT lord his or her religious views or racial sentiments on the populace of the nation. Some of these "fear of Obama" rants frankly is racial. We are not in Zimbabwe. I don't see how a president Obama will transfer all the white owned businesses or lands to his black brothers. We ALL know this.

If you have problems with a black president, be man or woman enough to say it. This is America, remember the CONSTITUTION is on your side too.

Posted by: oladipot | October 9, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Gas dropped over $0.40 a gallon in the last two days.

I am sure when Katie "I wouldn't know a Republic from a Democracy" Couric removes her lips from Obama's ass that will be the very first thing she mentions tonight.

Liberal bias in the media?????? of course not.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 9, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

HOW ABOUT A TRAITOR

MILITARY RECORD

When two U.S. Army enlisted men were captured by the Viet Cong in 1963, they were plunged into an ordeal that would prove to be a relentless trial of body and spirit by torture. Once they were finally freed, however, their trials began all over again, when their statements critical of the U. S. Vietnam policy landed them in a military court facing a capital offense for violating the military Code of Conduct by "aiding the enemy."

But, if your name is John McCain and your father and grandfather were famous admirals, violating the Code of Conduct by "aiding the enemy" translates into fodder for a political career, book deals, and adulation bordering on sainthood.

Even though news reports of McCain for collaborating with the enemy continued from the time he was captured in 1967 through 1970, the Navy never considered prosecution as an option.

Instead, Pentagon pencil pushers chose a political spin that lifted McCain, the former POW turned U.S. Senator, up to a glorified pedestal where he sprouted a halo and wings and became America's "POW-hero" and today a presidential candidate.

No such luck for the two lowly "grunts."

http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm

VETS ON McSHAME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk

Posted by: morenews1 | October 9, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Do you believe in a Respectable Senator and war verteran Or liberal Senator tied to ani american elements

Posted by: mrn744 | October 9, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Here is the biggest problem with the Ayers issue, it backfires on McCain. One of his supporters, which he happily acknowledges is Annenberg's widow. Does it bother him that the board in question, the one that Obama and Ayers both sat on and distributed money from was run by Annenberg's widow? So, by Hannity logic (because he is the real lowlife behind this character assassination) would be that McCain/Palin are supported by a woman that values the opinion of a terrorist, therefore supports such terrorist and therefore must be a terrorist. Now do you understand Hannity's inanity? Its his logic, this is really the line of thought that he wants you to buy.

Come on, this is so low and such tripe for both camps. Can't we get back to the issues? We have the worst economic crisis since the great depression, thousands of people filing for bankruptcy daily - due to home foreclosures, credit card debt or medical bills, two wars - one of which we are starting to lose badly, our country's financial system is beholdent to China and Russia, every month the job reports show tens of thousands more people out of work, the cost of EVERYTHING is sky rocketing, and all the money is trapped in the top 1% of the country's population, so banks are unwilling to lend. I think we have better things to talk about then a guy who Obama barely knew, never sought advice from, is not close to and is just as has been proven over and over again "some guy in his neighborhood."

Can we concentrate on what is really important now?

Posted by: blueskypolitics | October 9, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

You know I have real issues with the Republican party right now. I by no means am and have ever been a supporter of that party.

Howeever right now Republican to me equals Racist.

Why?When you incite racisms at your rallies like Sarah Palin has and do nothing about it when you know it is wrong? You are supposed to be someone who is for all of America. But in the Joe Six pack world I guess that means no minorities. Just the every day average non minority family.

Then McCain calls Obama- that one in the debate the other day. That was so rude and condescending.

The GOP will do anything and say anything to hold on to the White House. They have stooped to being negative and lying. I said it yes I did. Why? Because they are not sure their man can pull it off. They are stooping to elementary school tactics to make Obama is not a man honorable enough to be President. Even Mrs. Barbie doll , trophy wife Mrs. McCain has gotten into the act. This is the same woman who had an affair with John McCain while he was still married to another woman. Talk about honorable?


Now less than 30 days to the election McCain has a mortgage rescue plan. Why has he not revealed this plan in the first place. He has been running for President for a while now. The mortgage crisis has been going on for 18 months and 2 yrs. Why now is he revealing plan? Why? Because the party is desperate. He admitted he knows nothing about the economy but now he claims he has the answer to fix it.
Tax breaks to the wealthy doesn't do it. That trickle effect doesn't work.

Now this is a party that doesn't correct Racism. Yet you are supposed to be for all of America.

True Colors of the GOP are truly shining through. They are hyprocrits. Especially that conservative Chrisitian right wing.

I am a Chrisitian and I have not seen the GOP do a single thing that Jesus does. They cut social programs that help feed the poor, house the hungry, provide insurane to low income kids. Would Jesus do that? No.
I heard McCain talking about cutting government spending, I immediately thought there goes the programs that are barely helping people that are already struggling.

I have met some people on Medicaid that get 10.00 in food stamps a month. What in the heck can you by with 10.00? Please. That is an insult.

Let's see John McCain feed his family of 6, 7 and Sarah Palin feed her family of 4 1/2( baby on the way oh and let's not forget the redneck boyfriend) on 10.00 a month.

No clue. Out of touch! Government reform is not the answer. The issue of the economy is not the way.

John McCain and Sarah Palin will just continue to promote the smokescreens that the GOP is famous for. Unfortunately some people will fall for it. Unfortunately some people will not be able to bring themselves to vote for a man who does not look like them. It will be unfortunate for America if McCain and Palin win. It will be a tragedy. What little credibility we have with the world will be gone.

Posted by: bjlopez1130 | October 9, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Well if McInsane whats to talk about Obama being cozy with Terrorist he ought to look no further than his own running mate Sarah Palin. Wasn't her husband Todd apart of a separatist group who wanted to overthrow the Alaskan state government and succeed from the union. Under the Patriot Act shouldnt the Group that Todd belong to be deemed Domestic Terrorists as there threating to overthrow the government. So shouldn't Todd and Sarah Palin be on the Government watch list as potential Terrorists?

Posted by: LaMar_Sham | October 9, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Less not mince words here, this guilt by association tactic used by the McCain camp is just another form of Republica fear-mongering.

The McCain camp is really missing the point of this election with this pursuit of Ayers-connection. When the DOW stock market drops below 9,000 and the September GDP number is revealed, Americans #1 concern will be the economy and jobs. While McCain-Palin will be spending time talking about Ayers during an economic crisis, Obama will painting McCain as an out-of-touch Bush-repeat. And McCain is helping Obama to do that.

Posted by: AJ2008 | October 9, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama has always been associated to Anti American elements

Posted by: mrn744 | October 9, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

To: John McCain
Dear John...I have been paying on a mortgage for over twenty years...My interest rate is 6.9%...
If as you say I default, and my house is forclosed, will I have the same chance as others to have my terms adjusted to the plan you have offered those that are now in forclosure??? I sure could use the relief...Thanks , I await your reply... p.lebarre

Posted by: pl7017wash | October 9, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

John McCain can no longer win this election. The only way he will stand on the podium to take the oath as POTUS on January 20th is if Obama loses the election. And associations with guys who did their dastardly things when Obama was eight years old is not going to to do it. McCain would have made a decent POTUS eight years ago. certainly better than the stumble bum we got now. However, time has passed him by. He looks, and probably is, a crotchety old man in over his head against a young and energetic opponent.

Posted by: Opa2 | October 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain, The Make-Believe Maverick is the story that needs to be told and retold. Here it is:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: jwood47 | October 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

>Guilt by association?

If sitting on the board of a charity is enough to make you a terrorist, what does giving the terrorist fifty million dollars make you? Answer: a friend of Nixon, Reagan and McCain.

Be careful with this Ayers business. It's dragging some important and powerful Republicans into the "terrorist sympathizer" category, and they aren't happy about it.

Posted by: jmcgill1 | October 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

RE: people lying about thier religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizrJLV30yI&feature=related

God will punish American – her pastor

Palin’s church and witch hunting.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=S62Z37bIZHk&feature=related

Posted by: morenews1 | October 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesnt have American Family Roots

Posted by: mrn744 | October 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

America's B.S. threshold has been reached....

Posted by: mavisdarling

how do you explain the Obama phenom then?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain wants to focus on the fact that there is a "connection" with ayers and the media into falling into like sheep.

The real question is why is there a connection? All one has to know is the purpose of charity boards.

Whats wrong with HELPING other people through charity Ayers or Obama!

Is it possible Ayers does good work today dispite protest the Vietnam war like thousands of other have? even so, what does that have to do with Obama?

Can the media ask the question please?

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama is one more inexperienced Bush, go for him or go to hell its same.

Posted by: mrn744 | October 9, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the "Ayers" attack is irrelevant when so many Americans really don't give a flying... nasty expletive... what any Republican says about anything.

I consider anyone who ever sat in the same room with a Republican politician anytime in their entire life to be a complete and total dolt.

There are going to be hordes of American voters on November 4, voting strictly by party right down the line. Yes what we get will be different and unknown but I'll take the unknown over a train crash certainty any day.

Issues have become irrelevant, associations meaningless, budget ideas.. who cares.. how do you budget a negative balance anyway.. immigration reform.. fiscal reform.. foreign policy.. it is all beside the point and these quaint polls are as out of touch as the politicians. Don't people get it?

This has become personal.. American lives have been and continue to be ruined by the idiots who have been on watch for the last decade. It's time they all picked one of their houses and go sit in it and shut up.

Posted by: JWoode | October 9, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Not to excuse anyone for using violence or destruction of property but one must also consider that those were very turbulent times.
While Ayers was throwing bombs Nixon was gunning down university students in Ohio.

Both men made very poor, criminal decisions.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 9, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

These mud slinging acts show that McCain has lost any relevance to being the honorable man of integrity that he claims. He has lost it. Period.
He has become a weasel hiding behind a morphed Sarah Palin into a disgusting replica of Karl Rove. Shame on McCain, you are not presidential. You are an old desperate man with no ideas and obviously no leadership. If you truly cry "country First" then why did you pick Palin? This ignorant ditz will be forced on us all as your heir when you croak under the presidential pressure. Neither of you as a MAVERICK and not appropriate in the presidency. After eight gruesome years, we need intelligent people with character and neither of you qualify

Posted by: sd-mouth | October 9, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem shutting down the whole Ayers business with Republicans. It's a piece of cake. All you have to do is let them know where Ayers got the money to start the Republican charity in the first place. Sitting on the board is one thing... GIVING HIM FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS with no strings attached is a whole other level of involvement. You see, if they were successful in making the case about the Obama-Ayers connection being improper, it becomes very uncomfortable for certain Republicans who have even closer ties to Ayers than Obama does. Notice how the campaign seems to have shut up about Ayers, and suddenly? They got a call from one of the puppet masters who doesn't want people investigating this Ayers-Annenberg-Reagan-Nixon connection too closely. It's too late though. We now understand where Ayers got the money, and none of it looks good for the Republicans, because the connection is right to the heart of the hero-worshipping segment of the party.

Posted by: jmcgill1 | October 9, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody have a problem with Obama issues ? Or are they just going to throw big words /names at him .Mc Same has more bad guys on his team then anybody, everybody on his team is getting bigg money from some shady deal or friend. bush did not run the U.S.A in the ground on his own the G.O.P helped a lot if you are U.S.A first party second then look at the real points and if dont vote for Obama dont let it because his some Socialist,far-left liberal,who he know type thing (we all know crazy people but that does not make one crazy )or black ( everybody loved Jordan even Cavs fans).Its about the country and the people .Mc cain never ever talk about anything but Obama what are there plans beside ......? Drill baby drilll , Bomb bomb Iran. Obama obama ?

Posted by: vcdhard | October 9, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The "socialist," "terrorist" and "liar" shouts from crowds at McCain rallies, the reference to aggressive acts by the crowds, and the disrespect to blacks working for the media at campaign events certainly point to a divider, not a uniter.

Posted by: llong51 | October 9, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Who knows how many "Top Gun" McSame killed dropping bombs on civilians in another war that never had to be fought?


Posted by: toritto | October 9, 2008 11:58 AM |

Well that question is hard to answer. It is easier to point to one of the five aircraft you, me and millions of Americans paid for and Mr. McCain destroyed. It was McCains aircraft on the Forrestal that somehow dropped a large piece of ordnance on the decking killing 134 crew members.

A mean really, all this hero stuff when he destroyed more American material than enemy material.

Posted by: Thatsnuts | October 9, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

There are no doubts in Mccain he is war verteran , his family has history of serving American force

Obama has history and ties to dangerous anti american elements

Posted by: mrn744 | October 9, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

SECESSIONIST…

“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government… And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” - Joe Vogler in 1991, Founder of the Alaska Independence Party.....“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

Sarah Palin’s husband, Todd, was a member the Alaskan Independence Party working for Alaska to secede from the United States. The director of Division of Elections in Alaska reported that Todd Palin registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group that advocates for Alaskan secession from the United States, and remained a member until 2002, when he registered as undeclared while his wife ran for office.

She is more than sympathetic to the cause of secession; she sleeps with a man who is committed to the idea of destroying the unity of the United States.

Sarah Palin and 'first dudes' political alliance with a terrorist who was murdered in 1993 during “a plastic explosives sale gone bad.” Todd Palin joined the party two years later. Neither Sarah nore Todd were 9 years old at the time.

Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the A.I.P.: refers to the American soldiers in Alaska as "occupying troops." Michael Hill, a representative of A.I.P., stated on Glen Beck’s program that the goal of the A.I.P. “is to dissolve the United States and the Constitution.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Sarah congratulates the secession party only 6 months ago on their political gains.

Her pastor knows how evil America is and often preaches that America will be punished. A cause all evangelicals share. Listen below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizrJLV30yI&feature=related

Now, with her elected as VP just we can realize the Republic of Confederate States, the Republic of Texas, the Republic of California and the Republic of Alaska. The time has come elect a subversive that has pulled the eyes over the political system of the U. S. establishment.

Posted by: morenews1 | October 9, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"I am beginning to believe McCain. Obama IS a radically dangerous. Posted by: RAF3"


Nice try McCain, but shouldn't you be campaigning, instead of doing 'the google'?

Posted by: el_barto | October 9, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

There IS more
Obama is Hiding a Radical Past!

Barack Obama was an active participant in the 1990s, and a direct political beneficiary, of the Chicago New Party and, importantly, the Chicago DSA, a group of socialists affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America.
1. Barack Obama attended and participated in meetings of the Chicago New Party and the Chicago DSA, the local affiliate of the Democratic Socialists of America.
2. Barack Obama sought the endorsement of the Chicago DSA which required rigorous scrutiny by the party’s Political Committee as well as Mr. Obama’s signature on a contract promising “a visible and active relationship with the NP.”
3. Barack Obama actively used the endorsement from the Chicago DSA.
4. Barack Obama won his DSA-endorsed and -backed campaign to secure his seat in the Illinois State Senate.
5. Barack Obama continued his involvement with the Chicago DSA — including directly asking the group to join “his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration” — and received their endorsements in subsequent campaigns.

Posted by: tjb2 | October 9, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing negative about asking questions regarding Obama's judgment and ability to lead. He has several questionable current associations - Ayers, Wright, ACORN, etc. He has not been truthful about his relationships or religion, often just denying things that are now beginning to become public. Obama’s assertion that somehow an incident when McCain was a freshman Senator is of the same caliber as his current associations as a freshmen Senator causes me some concern as far as his ability to lead. Unfortunately, the main stream press has been less the fair in their coverage of these issues and has not thoroughly covered the Obama connections objectively. I think Obama has potential and would make a good president in about ten years when he has had the chance to distance himself from some of his associates and made positive advances towards working with all people.

Posted by: cindi123 | October 9, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Father Phluger (sp?)...uh, where's Farrakahn? Oh, he just lives down the street. See, all these former best buds that Obama now eschews...all for cover? If he didnt realize Wright said all the things he did (whether Obama was sitting there or not), how in the world can he know what really goes on around him? Got a newsflash. He doesn't. The only thing he has done well is being a community helper, with blessings from Ayers, to build a generation with radical views against the country they live in.

Just beware when 'Nation of Islam' leadership get a position in Obamas government posse.

Then,and only then, the liberals might say...'Uh oh'

THE WOOL IS BEING PULLED OVER OUR EYES

WAKE UP AMERICA

Posted by: dcwca | October 9, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has fallen into a trap that the Obama campaign has laid out meticulously. First, by emphasizing the similarity with Bush, they drove him into pulling some "stunts", which made him look erratic. This hurt him in the polls and put him on the defensive.

Now, McCain must resort to negative attacks that again are associated with Bush. It's like a vicious circle that the Senator from Arizona seems unable to break. He is being marginalized by an incredibly sophisticated strategy that will most likely produce a landslide for Obama.

Posted by: Timeaftertime1 | October 9, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

This Ayers crap is absurd. The guy was a major figure in Chicago politics and education. He is a college professor. He won "Citizen of the Year" in Chicago, and is supported by mayor Daley. What he did 40 years ago is wrong, and Obama said so himself.

McCain and pitbull Palin have no ideas about how to save our country from ruin so all they do is attack and spew lies. They are stroking facsist/racist propaganda to portray as Obama as "other". I feel that it's McCain and Palin are grasping for straws here. They represent the failed leadership and policies of the past.

We are a better country then they imagine. I believe we can move away from the past, and we must. We need real change, we need Obama and Biden .

Posted by: lamontee | October 9, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's what a former Republican representative in Illinois told NPR in this non-issue this week:

"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier ... It's ridiculous," Republican Rep. Diana Nelson said. "There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

Posted by: gschwartz1 | October 9, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I like the way Obama called McCain out in the Gibson interview basically saying that McCain/Palin has been making ridiculous accusations at their rallies but Mcain wasn't willing to make mention of it at the debate.

He followed up with something to this effect:
"We still have one more debate, so Mr. McCain will have the chance then to bring it up if he feels it necessary."

McCain = Political coward

I applaud Obama for standing up to McCain in a measured, respectful and strong manner.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 9, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I respectfully disagree with some of you. In many communities, people are not discussing Ayers. In fact, they could care less. They are sitting there looking at their last $50, trying to decide on food versus gas.

I am not dismissing this discussion, but rather just saying that this topic may not be getting the effect the GOP hopes, simply because it is the ECONOMY many are feeling. Further, to many this kind of "news" and Mccain's seeming obsession with it confirms their suspicions that he is completely out of touch.

Many of our citizens are out of work, out of healthcare, and out of patience with politicians. I honestly believe that Mccain's gamble is foolish and foolhardy. He has picked a somewhat obscure angle, and it is counterintuitive to what we have seen at the debates. Instead of being the candidate who will help this country, he now appears to be feeble, out of touch and a bigot. Go down that "main street" he talks about and see how many people want to talk for hours about who Obama knew in younger days. BUT, ask those same people about our economic plight, and they'll talk with you all day.

Posted by: sallieismydog | October 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is startign to buy into the attacks by the McCain campaign, they are part of the problem. This Rove-style fear-mongering is meant to muddy the waters from the real issue - the economy, on which McCain doesn't have a clue. Newspapers have investigated this issue and concluded Obama and Ayers weren't close. What else do you need? You also cannot conclude anything nepharious between Obama and Rezko, just because the GOP tells you. If the GOP tells you the moon is made of cheese, would you believe it?

What about McCain's ties to Mafia members in Arizona? What about his role in the S&L scandal as part of the Keating 5? What about McCain leaving his first family to marry a rich blonde? What about picking the unqualified Sarah Palin (don't forget Troopergate) as his running mate? Talk about questionable judgement? McCain is just wrong and dangerous for this country.

Posted by: Bamboo64 | October 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

RAF3 - Come clean on what? Obama was 8 years old when Ayer's was a member of SDS (the Weather Underground for those too stupid to read history). Furthermore, Ayer's has apologized for his actions, and has served this country and his community honorably since then. Mr. Ayer's happen to serve on a board that Mr. Obama served on, years and years later. There is nothing to come clean about. Instead, can we ask, are you still a pedophile? Are you still selling national security secrets to Al Qaida? Are you still committing tax fraud, treason, exposing yourself in public, hell bent on committing mass murder?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Bush was inexperienced and it proved too costly for us ,do Obama another inexperienced guy wou prove fatal,he doesnt have family history here in America.

His connections look dangerous his pastor and friends are anti american.

There is no basis obama is capable of handling financial situation he has no record

Posted by: mrn744 | October 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Mr 744 writes:

"What more you need from Obama come on, This Kenya Origin guy doesnt have American Roots and a family history which can be believed"

What more I need ? Huh ?

Obama was born in that foreign country called Hawaii LOL (McCain was born in Panama by the way in 1936).


You McCain supporters are as out of gas as grumpy grampie is. And after a few twirls of Palin's skirt, her impact on this election is going in the wrong direction too.

Say it, President Barack H Obama !


Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could read one article or see one new journalist report on this subject with some effort towards facts and research.

Oh like for instance, what was the mission of the charity board ayers and obama sat on? Did Obama do anything to help charity? Wasn't Obama's purpose towards the function of the charity board and not Ayers? What has Ayers done wrong since 1969? What has he done good? List names and background of other board memebers whom are republicans? List the awards Ayers has recieved for his work.

It's embarrassingly shallow how the reporting is on this. I expect this kind spin from the GOP but it's unacceptable for journalists. Do your work or dont bother!

I believe they simply dont know the facts. I really do.

Posted by: Dano111 | October 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse


How about McCain allowing Palin to provide unexplained answers about her own views on issues like:

(1) Troopergate

(2) Her role in the Alaska Independent Party

(3) Her husband's role in the Alaska Independent Party

(4) The $20+ million deficit she left Wasilla, AK with when she was mayor

(5) Her position on IMPORTANT issuses raised by the American public

(6) Her relationship with Sen. Ted Stevens

Posted by: valskeet | October 9, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Poor John. This is all he's got after how many years in the Senate? All his "sage wisdom" on running a campaign and he is resorting to lies and DIRT. However, let's see how he acts on January 20th when he has to defer to President Obama. The youg whippersnapper is just taking over.

Posted by: jemoore78 | October 9, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

All of this Ayres type talk brings out the paranoid folk who believe in conspiracies. McCain and Palin add one lie and they link it with other lies and then you get a big conspiracy ...that morphs into the Trilateral Commission, Global Government, and so on.

These conspiracy posts are really sad and desperate. People make money on all of this stuff and it all is fiction (but money-making fiction). People are being gamed by their own fears and paranoia. The scary thing is that our great country with a wonderful constitution and democratic republic structure is still vulnerable to this populist baiting of the mob and the scaley underbelly of the public's worse fears and uneasiness. Already a portion of our population has fallen into that fast-moving river and these posts show some of it.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 9, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

1980: Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers resurface from the underground, pleading guilty to bail-jumping charges from a 1969 anti-war protest. Dohrn is fined $1,500 and given three years’ probation.

This is all the Ayers/Dohrn couple were ever charged with. You will note Ayers was not charged with anything.

What others did in New York had nothing to do with Ayers and certainly less than nothing to do with Obama.

The media really have to understand that the underground only formed after the murder of two black men by the Chicago police and almost all of them are now respected teachers.

Posted by: shepherdmarilyn | October 9, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

While the economy is failing, McCain is making a call for all bigots and hate-mongers to join his parade of slime. He is desperate and it is a personal call to jihad for his campaign. And they are coming out of the woodwork, every right wing nut in the country is answering the call and coming up with the smear and fear garbage that McCain is begging them for. McCain is not a hero or a leader. He displays the same cowardice that he displayed when he ratted on his Keating Five comrades to escape prosecution. At a Florida rally where Palin called Obama a terrorist some one even yelled Kill Him! - shades of the Nazi hate rallies. McCain is bringing great shame on the electoral process and his erratic behavior makes it clear he is not qualified to be president any more than his junkyard dog running mate.

Posted by: jeffl240 | October 9, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Check out NBC tackle the true facts of who is actually intent on lowering whose tax cuts:

It's already been known that McCain supports Bush's tax cuts of shifting the burden from the wealthy, to the less wealthy (makes a lot of darn sense).

Middle class has had it for some time now. Now, it's time to have it back in their favor. After the time of cuts the wealthy has had, they should be able to more than afford their fair share. Obama lowers taxes on middle class, much moreso than McCain. McCain lowers taxes on the wealthy, but shorthands middle class. Obama's plan does vice versa.

Check out NBC tackle the truth on taxes here: Click the video link to the right.

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/NBC_Obama_s_Plan_Means_Lower_Taxes_For_Middle_Class

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 9, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I find it ironic that all of Senator Obama's political idols Mahatma Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, and Martin Luther King, Jr. were assassinated.

Now we have this ignorant, snide, and conniving Governor of Alaska whipping up hate talk and lies about a basically brilliant and intelligent human being. She is inciting the mob to violence. All through this disgraceful process she just smiles continually with her clueless, deceitful face.

I am starting to really question the judgment and rationality of John McCain for giving this thoughtless and dangerous person, Sarah Palin, credibility. She is a disgrace to all Americans.

Viet-Nam Veteran
Khe Sanh 1968

Posted by: Luke2 | October 9, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

What McCain just doesn't seem to GET is this: People are TIRED of the negativity. He is preaching to his own choir now, and has been for some time. Everybody else is tuning it out. I don't even listen to the ads any more... that's what the "mute" function is for.

And those of you posting your own long articles here in response to Chris's article:

Nobody is reading THAT either. America's B.S. threshold has been reached....

Posted by: mavisdarling | October 9, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

fear is the mind killer - you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

well, I'm above fear tactics so no vote the the fear monger

Posted by: aznfish | October 9, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Leaving money to an organization like Annenburg to do good for the community is different from then taking the money given for education and using it to support a wacko revolution terror using educator like Ayers who considers Hugo Chavez a mentor and thinks teaching your kids to hate America is a good thing.

Posted by: skihillsandy | October 9, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

This might be a silver bullet precisely because the mix of Obama, Ayers, CAC, and ACORN are probably the best example of the primary cause of the financial crisis.

Posted by: kevin545 | October 9, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The anecdotal evidence that Bernardine Dohrn was Michelle Robinson's "mentor" at Sidley & Austin law firm is strong, but the NYT and Chicago "media/DNC hacks" haven't turned over that rock.
Michelle induced her then boyfriend Barry Hussein-O the next summer to intern under Dohrn and get the full dose of how to quietly overturn society Saul Alinsky style. They were both young Harvard Law students & sho' nuff, the paralegal Dohrn [she had a law degree, but was a convicted felon] introduced the newlyweds to her spouse/lifepartner Ayers who got BHO the chairmanship of the Annenberg Project worth $150 million to subvert school kids by teaching them to be revolting.

I met Ayers and soon-to-be-dead Diana Oughton at an SDS meeting in Ann Arbor. Columbia SDSer Mark Rudd stayed in my apartment and told me "Dare to cheat, dare to win."

I'll bet Obama has that advice in his head constantly.

Posted by: djman1141 | October 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

It's the usual horse without a saddle. A canoe without a paddle. A ranch without any cattle. A war without a battle. There's no "there, there." This dog won't hunt. And about as deep as Palin's intellect.

Posted by: chirp | October 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

If McCain's campaign is focused on persuading me to vote against Obama then I should be able to,honestly and directly without having to vote for McCain to do so. The yes only ballot needs to include a NO column so I could do that. The highest net yes wins. Why am I forced to say I want yucky parsnips to say I don't want yuckie broccoli? We get to vote no on ballot measures. We should be able to do that on candidates. The politicians, of course, would hate the freedom of expression a NO column would provide.

Posted by: Valjean1 | October 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The Ayers connection is tenuous at best and has been explained, candidly, by Obama on many occasions. What hasn't been explained is Palin's association with an organization that advocated the secession of Alaska from the United States. Her husband Todd belonged to the organization and she attended several meetings even speaking before the group. While Obama's connection to Ayers was casual, Palin's association with an admittedly un-American organization was solid and substantial.

Posted by: Lefty_ | October 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't see why it isn't possible to be critical of Bill Ayers & wife, and critical of Chicago's willing acceptance of this family of monsters, and still be for Obama. I voted for him in the primary and will again in the general. But I find it simply grotesque that Mayor Daily, the Annenbergs, the Univ. of Chicago, and who knows else are willing to sit down, either professionally or socially with these creatures. I think it simply bizarre to extend anything but your back to people with their history.

Posted by: kpfp | October 9, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

There's an old joke about a peasant in the middle ages hitting the side of a castle with a fish. When asked why, he says "it's all I've got."

Could it be true that when it comes to winning the White House, the "Ayers attack" is the best McCain could come up with?

Posted by: inrosslyn | October 9, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

As a concerned voter, I would like Obama to come clean on this. What are his real ties to Ayers, Rezko, and other criminals. And why has Obama not come clean on Reverend Wright by saying that he was not in church after 9/11 so he 'did not know' that the Rev condemned America.

I am beginning to believe McCain. Obama IS a radically dangerous.

Posted by: RAF3 | October 9, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Kook writes:

"In Mccain's defense, why is he still within two points with a hurricane at Obama's back? why can't the messiah close the deal? answer - he can't be trusted and most (well 48%) people know it. Watch for a narrowing in the last weeks, despite the cheerleaders of the angry left media."


The deal will be closed on November 4th. That's when most of the votes are cast and counted.

And haven't both of our last two elections for POTUS been decided by very narrow margins ? Why couldn't W close the deal sooner ?

McCain being within 2 points nationally in one poll doesn't even begin to address McCain being behind in OH, FL, VA, CO and NV.

You can spin all you want and hope that McCain's final hail mary, this Ayers yak, yak, yak, will swing this election for McPalin.

And I'm sure you'll come back on November 5th if Obama wins, and explain how the election was rigged or that the MSM brain washed the electorate LOL.

Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

All this inflammatory talk by McCain and Palin is getting so tiresome. It is disgusting and immoral. Why are McCain and Palin in the gutter when we need leaders? Everyone who follows facts and the vetting process knows this is just bold-face lies to incite worse accusations and emotions of the mob. We can all see it. I've turned my TV and radio off and now I just read stories on the web. Enough! I've lost any respect for these two and now whatever they say is suspect.

And I'm not alone. Going down this path has made these two shrill, desperate and without credibility.

This is no conversation. This is a train wreck.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 9, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Real Problem With Ayers
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: At an education forum in Venezuela, Bill Ayers showed the real issue is not his terrorist past. It's the socialist revolutionary agenda that he and Barack Obama want to impose on the nation's schools.

Still more evidence of how the media are in the tank for Obama was evident in Tom Brokaw's description of Ayers on Sunday's "Meet The Press."

"School reformer" is how Brokaw identified the co-founder of the Weather Underground, the radical organization that, among other activities, bombed government buildings, banks, police departments and military bases in the early 1970s.

Yeah, right: Ayers is a school reformer in the same sense, as City Journal's Sol Stern put it, as Joe Stalin was an agricultural reformer.

An idea of what Ayers has in mind for America's schools was provided in his own words not 40 years ago when Obama was eight years old, but less than two years ago in November 2006 at the World Education Forum in Caracas hosted by dictator Hugo Chavez.

With Chavez at his side, Ayers voiced his support for "the political educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how . . . all of you continue to overcome the failures of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane."

Ayers told the great humanitarian Chavez: "Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions large and small. La educacion es revolucion." It is that form of socialist revolution that Ayers, and Obama, have worked to bring to America.

Ayers, now a tenured Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago, works to educate teachers in socialist revolutionary ideology, urging that it be passed on to impressionable students.

As Stern points out, "Ayers and his education school comrades are explicit about the need to indoctrinate public school children in the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive."

If Ayers was just another nutty professor, we'd be lucky. But he wields great influence in academic circles and has had Obama's ear. He's the author or editor of 15 books. Chicago's current mayor, Richard M. Daley, has employed Ayers as a teacher trainer for Chicago's public schools and consulted him on the city's education-reform plans.

Just last month, Ayers was elected vice-president for curriculum for the 25,000-member American Educational Research Association. AERA is the nation's largest organization of education-school professors and researchers.

In a recent interview on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor," Obama upgraded Ayers' status from "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" to "somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know."

Actually, Obama knew him quite well, having worked together on a school "reform" project called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

In the 1990s, Ayers was instrumental in starting the Annenberg Challenge, securing a $50 million grant to reform the Chicago Public Schools, part of a national initiative funded by the late Ambassador Walter Annenberg.

Obama was given the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office. He ran the fiscal arm that distributed grants to schools and raised matching funds.

Ayers participated in a second entity known as the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, the operational arm that worked with grant recipients.

During Obama's tenure as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers' own education projects received substantial funding.

One of Ayers' descriptions for a course called "Improving Learning Environments" says a prospective K-12 teacher needs to "be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and . . . be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, teaching for social justice and liberation."

John McCain needs to repeatedly point out the stealth socialism of Ayers' education agenda and Obama's complicity in it. Otherwise, we may one day see Ayers as Obama's secretary of education.

Posted by: skihillsandy | October 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, Definition

Maverick
1: an unbranded range animal ; especially : a motherless calf 2: an independent individual who does not go along with a group or party

or?

Judas Horse
1: A domestic horse which has been trained to lead wild horses into a trap.

Posted by: DaveMiner | October 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

My answer to the Obama - Ayers smear by the McCain/Palin campaign:

McCain and his malevolent henchmen are condemning Obama for his previous relationship with William Ayers. How, they ask, can we forgive Obama for his association with a "known domestic terrorist?"
But, what would they say if it came to light that another Republican conservative (and a dear friend of Ronald Reagan) had no such misgivings about William Ayers?

Indeed, what if this Republican had sufficient confidence in William Ayers that he agreed to fund a $100 million organization which was the brainchild of the former Weatherman terrorist, and of which Obama became board chairman?

From 1995 to 1999, Obama was the chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an organization that gave $100 million to community organizers and activists for the Chicago's public schools. The original grant was written in 1993 by William Ayers. Some say it "radicalized" the schools, although other sources show it enhanced them greatly.

From Kyle Trygstad on RealClearPolitics:
The Annenberg Challenge was funded by Republican Walter Annenberg, an ambassador during the Nixon administration and friend of President Reagan's. Illinois Republican Governor Jim Edgar and the conservative Tribune Foundation both wrote to Annenberg requesting funds for a foundation to help Chicago schools. Republican Governor Jim Edgar and Mayor Richard Daley announced the formation of the Annenberg Challenge in a joint event, and their administration continued to work closely with the Challenge throughout its existence.

So, Obama is being condemned for having associated with William Ayers. But, a Republican conservative Reaganite (and other Republican political figures) didn’t find this former "domestic terrorist" an unacceptable associate. Indeed, Annenberg gave millions of dollars to the educational program which Ayers created, and the direction of which was passed to Obama.

If Annendale trusted Ayers, why wouldn’t Obama?


Posted by: SueDeaunym | October 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree with RUBY2. Bill Ayers is just the tip of the ice berg. It's common knowledge that we surround ourselves with people who hold similar values and world views, so it's important that Americans look at the people with whom Obama has associated with, supported and been supported by. These are relevant and timely questions in a post 9-11 America. If Obama had these same relationships (including Fannie and Freddie) while he was president, I think he would be under federal investigation.
As for the economic plans, McCain is right on in saying that we need to leave taxes alone as much as possible so Americans can get out of the economic mess that was created by Democrats. In 2004, Republicans (including McCain) called for stricter regulations on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and the Democrats would not allow for it; many of them crying "racism". See excerpts of the 2004 hearing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
As for who is better to fix the economy, compare the actual plans presented by Obama and McCain and you'll see that Obama's plan will increase taxes dramatically for much of the middle class. http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/23724.html
Obama has lied again and again about his associations, the problems of our economy and the solutions. He thinks that, because we have a Republican in the White House, he can point the finger at Republicans and blame them for the economic mess; all the while forgetting that we've had a Democratic congress. People, do your research. Mainstream media are too liberal to give you unbiased information, so the state of our democracy rests on us to do the homework for ourselves.

Posted by: gr8cate | October 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

One would have to be pretty dumb to believe that the political party that is most responsible for the financial crisis that has resulted in us taxpayers bailing out the banks for $700 billion will lead America back to prosperity and a good economy. It was the Democratic Party and Democratic Party leaders like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, et al who forced these Wall Street banks, Fannie Mae, Freddy Mack, to give mortgage loans to people who couldn't possibly pay it back with the threat of discriminatory lending practices and legal actions. They even forced these lenders to accept welfare and food stamps income as a credible income for getting these loans. When President Bush and the Republicans, who forsaw this problem coming, tried to put some kind of controls on these mortgage loan excesses with bills back in 2003 and again in 2005, every Democrat in the Senate voted against it, including Obama and Biden, and every Republican voted for it. Both times these bills were defeated because of the Democrats. One would have to be pretty dumb to put the same people in charge to fix the problem when it was these same politicians and the same political party that caused the problem to begin with.

Posted by: armpeg | October 9, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a hypocrite .... On Fox McCain ask for Obama to reveal his relationship with Aires so the AMERICAN PUBLIC can decide, meanwhile he spends millions covering up TROOPERGATE. He says TROOPERGATE is politically motivated. Hell, what is their motive for trying to connect Obama to Aires?

We should be asking, who is this woman who could be a heart beat away from the Presidency.

Come on McHypocrite, why not let Palin testify so the American public can decide. Hypocrite with a capital H

Posted by: steveeyes | October 9, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Ayer
Pastor Wright
Inexperienced
doesnt do what he tells(Senate voting record on taxes , torture,election reforms)
response on russian-georgia crisss
disrespect towards woman
opposed to nuclear reactors

What more you need from Obama come on, This Kenya Origin guy doesnt have American Roots and a family history which can be believed

Posted by: mrn744 | October 9, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the Ayers issue is a major problem for Obama.

His logic would dictate that it would be fine to associate with Hitler if he lived in your neighborhood. With all the people on the planet to associate with Obama has consistently shown an affinity for those with racist, anti American, anti establishment views.

That radical left mindset does not lend itself to bipartisan relationships with a more conservative party which will be absolutely critical should he win the white house.

When compared to McCain, on issues critical to the operation of the government, Obama has opposed his party 3% of the time. Using the exact same criteria, McCain has opposed his party 34% of the time.

Members of each party will remember those numbers come post election time regardless of who wins.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | October 9, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

McSlime has no place else to go. I mean seriously, he has no plan for the Country and no plans for helping the regular people, he has to change the subject.

What a slimy punk!

PG

Posted by: PeixeGato | October 9, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The decrepit and dishonorable McCain campaign is trying the same old discredited tactics of divide and distract. They hope that by hammering on this lame Ayers story they will drive a cultural wedge that will encourage voters to ignore their own personal situations

The job of the media is to point out that Americans really do not care one whit about Ayers or any other Vietnam-era issues.

We care about the jobs that are disappearing from our economy, the stores and businesses that are failing, the banks that are closing, the credit lines that have frozen, and the paychecks that don't cover the medical bills.

Obama addresses these concerns with plans that are reasonable, thoughtful, practical, and meaningful.

McCain's manic insistance on avoiding these issues makes him a pathetic and irrelevant bystander in this election.

It is truly time to throw all the Republican bums out and get a fresh start in Washington.

Posted by: dee5 | October 9, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I see the usual moonbats are once again willing to ignore any evidence that does not arrive with 100% certainty attached - a repeat of bill's philandering.

With Obama we have a candidate who is clearly out of his depth on military matters, still refusing to accept the surge as positive, still chanting that our own troops are killing babies, still demanding we lose this war no matter what.

On the economy he likewise is tone deaf, still insisting we raise taxes, spend like crazy and regulate everything in sight, despite the obvious failure of this approach.

his character questions remain, why is he part of an organization that steals votes (ACORN), why is he close pals with all those anti-americans? why is his fundraising so off the charts out of bounds with foreign contributions? he puts clinton to shame with his level of graft and corruption.

So in essence we have a candidate who is willing to cheat, lie and steal to win. Or, as thay say, a typical Democrat.

so his policies are clueless, his character is questionable and his followers are cultists. modern politics has become all about he packaging. doesn't matter what's inside. but I liked the Greek columns.

In Mccain's defense, why is he still within two points with a hurricane at Obama's back? why can't the messiah close the deal? answer - he can't be trusted and most (well 48%) people know it. Watch for a narrowing in the last weeks, despite the cheerleaders of the angry left media.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 9, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Fine. If McCain wants to play the guilt by association card, then answer the Palin and Alaska secessionist questions.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column

Posted by: brigid1 | October 9, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Cruise on over the redstate.org. Obama's entire "history" is laid out.

Of course most of it is a combination of delusional rambling, wishful thinking and patent nonsense about the Obama-Ayers "connection" and other "facts" about BHO. But the folks posting over there really seem to get in to lynching Obama, at least verbally and seem to believe what they're saying.

Of course swing voters, independents and moderates are looking for bipartisan solutions to the nation's troubles. Not nebulous connections, that are over a decade old, to some worn out 60s hippy, and anti war domestic terrorist.

And if McCain is so passionate about this, will he be man enough to say these things about Ayers to Obama's face in the next election ?

Or will he continue to hide behind his mother/wife/running mates's skirts, and spew his charges on softball forums like FOX ?

In fact, if Obama is so dangerous, shouldn't McCain be talking to the FBI about getting Obama arrested and removed from the US Senate and the presidenatial race ?

Posted by: mathas | October 9, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Really? Obama is palling around with terrorists?

Well, by that rationale,...

McCain is palling around with KKK members
(McCain has served on the same DC committes as Byrd, who used to be a member of the KKK)

and

McCain is palling around with felons who swindle Americans out of billions in retirement savings
(McCain took money from Keating and used his power in DC to ask regulators to go easy on Keating and McCain took family vacations with Keating, plus McCain's campaign is still getting donations from a Keating organization this year)

and

Palin is palling around with America-hating secessionists
(Palin is married to an AIP member and she has attended and addressed AIP meetings)

Hey McCain! Didn't you ever hear the one about people in glass houses???

Posted by: ProudAmerican1776 | October 9, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey armpeg maybe you should go hide under the bed.

What do you think taxes are for?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | October 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the media doesn't bring up the fact that the charity they both sat on, The Annenberg Challenge, was run by Republican Walter Annenberg who was a friend of Reagan's. His widow is one of McCain's largest contributors. Why is the media sort of just sweeping this under the carpet? I guess to keep the story going.

I'm still not sure if anyone except Fox News considers ACORN some evil villain. Don't they have 300,000 families in their organization? Are all those 300,000 families evil then?

Posted by: TooDarkMark | October 9, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has refused to testify and and is urging her staff to not to testify. She is currently under investigation. Is Mr. Ayers under investigation (no). Is Mr. Obama under investigation (no). Has Mr. Obama ever been under investigation. Has Mr. McCain been under investigation (yes). Judgement and character can be measured a lot of ways, but it is clear to me that character assasination is not measured by the media. I thought slander and libel was punishable by law. I guess not.

Posted by: jlwadd123 | October 9, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Saw reported yesterday in the news that Lenore Annenberg has contributed generously to John McCain's campaign. She is a member of the same Annenberg family which funded the projects in Chicago which hired Obama and Ayers. So, by McCain's logic, his campaign has now accepted funding from a family which also funds terrorists! What goes around comes around. Don't you just love karma?!? I pray the American people don't fall for the same scare tactics which brought us to our sad state of affairs.

Posted by: prairie13us | October 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

So, I called about 50 people in Florida last night. They are all hurting and struggling to make it. They almost all wanted a change in economic policy. The Ayers thing is a wedge issue. Make no mistake. This is a wedge issue. It is 2008's version of Swift Boating or abortion or gay marriage. McCain is trying to win based off a wedge issue. Just so it's clear, Ayers is a wedge issue.

Wedge issues don't work when so many people are hurting.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 9, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I STRONGLY believe that Obama has absolutely no reason to worry about Palin. :) That's kindly candy-coated.

Next page....

Posted by: Obama2008 | October 9, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I would love to actually see some journalists doing their jobs instead of regurgutating the same garbage over and over... why not interview some of the other people that were there... let's hear from some witnesses instead of all of this circumstantial evidence.

Posted by: nation-x | October 9, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

There is something far more frightening than the relationship, or lack thereof, between Obama and William Ayers. It is the lengths that John Mccain is going to to win this election. I see a candidate who has become the epitome of meanness, spite and statesmanlike behavior. Be afraid of anyone, especially a political candidate, who will stoop to these levels to win an election.John McCain questions the character of Barack Obama but fails to question his own. His behavior speaks volumes of who the man really is.

Posted by: lisacharlie | October 9, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The idiotic attacks show that the McCain campaign is running on fumes.

McCain needs to promote positive issues that will make voters want to vote for him. The negative attacks on Obama will only draw limited support.

Posted by: Digital_Voter | October 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

One would have to be pretty dumb to believe that a far-left liberal Socialist like Barack Obama, and a political party that has a near 60 year (pre-1996)history of high taxes and always raising taxes on just about everything as the answer to every problem, like the Democratic Party, to now believe that they, if elected, would lower any taxes.

Posted by: armpeg | October 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

McCain is still fighting Vietnam.
One minute he was top-gunning those "commie gooks" in their cities and rice paddies and the next he was in a prison camp for five and a half years. He's lucky they didn't kill him on the spot. After all, that's what he was doing to them. Many would consider his bombing runs over Hanoi the activities of a war criminal.
I'm sure he came home wondering how did we "lose"? After all, we had all the fire power, the carriers, the aircraft, the men, the economics - we were the "super power". I'm sure he thinks we lost because we didn't have the "guts" to pursue "victory". We were "betrayed" by those nasty "librals" "Stabbed in the back" so to speak. Sounds llike some German Corporal's excuse for losing the Great War.
Of course we all now know (except maybe for John) that a "commie" Vietnam was no danger to the United States; that their war was one of nationalism vs. colonialism. They fought the Japanese, then the returning French colonialists, then their American successors.
There are 58,000+ names on a black wall that we "honor" - kids mostly. Kids drafted off the poorer streets of America, given a few months of basic and dropped in a faraway country to "kill commies". Most died while Nixon vowed to bring the troops "home with honor" When pols use that expression it usually means someone else's kid has to die for an empty slogan.
Too many died too far away from home for far too little. There is no honor in that.
My bedroom set is marked "Made in Vietnam".
Those kids died for nothing.
Bill Ayers killed no one.

Who knows how many "Top Gun" McSame killed dropping bombs on civilians in another war that never had to be fought?

Posted by: toritto | October 9, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The Fix writes
"Until voters believe McCain understands their struggles and worries on the economy, it's likely they will dismiss as frivolous attacks on Obama's past relationships."

Frivolous, irrelevant, inaccuarate, demonstrative of McCain's misplaced priorities - there are a lot of ways to describe the attacks.

McCain's problem isn't Obama, it is his own lack of vision & message. He still has to recover from 'the fundamentals of the economy are strong'. Until he does that, character assaults on Obama are going to be ineffective.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 9, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Guilt by association? You betcha, when there are myriad connections. How many baseball players does it take to make a team? Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, Pfleger, Odinga, Auchi, Khalidi, Emil Jones, Jr., ACORN, ACORN Housing and the Democratic Socialist Party: seems Obama's got a full team and a few backup players to boot. I wonder who else is hiding in the dugout...

Posted by: RUBY2 | October 9, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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