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Winners and Losers: Kentucky and Oregon

The results of the presidential primaries in Kentucky and Oregon played to form last night with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) gaining a wide margin of victory in the Bluegrass State and Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) winning slightly more narrowly in the Beaver State.

The Fix has been studying the numbers -- both at the top of the ticket and downballot -- in our search for the winners and losers from Tuesday's festivities. Below you'll find our picks but we want to hear from you too. Agree with who we selected? Disagree? Have suggestions for winners and losers of your own? Offer them in the comments section.

And, to set a tone for what you'll find below, we offer a quote from a Simpsons episode called "Deep Space Homer": "Gentlemen, you've both worked very hard. And in a way, you're both winners. But in another more accurate way, Barney is the winner."

So true.

WINNERS

Barack Obama: It speaks to the current status of the Illinois senator in the nomination fight that he can lose Kentucky by 35 points and hours later stand at a podium in Des Moines, Iowa, and deliver what amounted to a victory speech. The truth is that Obama virtually sewed up this race during his 11-contest unbeaten streak between Feb. 5 and March 4, when he built an insurmountable lead among pledged delegates. But, Obama has effectively blocked and tackled since that string of victories -- keeping Clinton from scoring any surprises and winning where he needed to win. All of that adds up to the nomination.

Chuck Schumer: The chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee had another good night on Tuesday. Wins by wealthy businessman Bruce Lunsford in Kentucky and state House Speaker Jeff Merkley in Oregon ensure that both races will be competitive in the fall. In Lunsford, Senate Democrats got a candidate with considerable personal wealth who will likely fund much of what promises to be a down-and-dirty battle with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R). Merkley's win ensures Democrats will have a credible candidate against Sen. Gordon Smith (R) in a state that should favor their party in the fall. Schumer had personally recruited Merkley for this race (and taken flack for doing so among some Oregon Democrats) under the belief that party activist Steve Novick couldn't beat Smith. Schumer's "nothing ventured, nothing gained" approach pays off again.

Vote By Mail: Oregon has been voting exclusively by mail since 1998 and the benefits showed last night. The idea of people dropping off their ballots at 11 p.m. eastern time initially send shivers down the Fix's early-to-bed spine. But nearly a third of the vote was counted within the first half hour (and Obama was declared the winner) and the counting proceeded apace after that. After a primary season of late nights and slow counts (Lake County, Indiana, we are looking at you) it was a nice surprise to see such an efficient process.

Demographers: The "demography is destiny" maxim continues to be born out in the Democratic presidential primary process. Where you live, how much money you make and what level of education you've achieved have been -- in this election -- nearly conclusive when it comes to determinining how people vote. Clinton continued her dominance among white working class voters in the Rust Belt/Appalachia last night -- winning white non-college voters by 57 points and white voters with a family income of less than $50,000 by 56 points. Obama, too, continued to dominate among affluent and well educated voters -- winning college graduates in Oregon by 31 points and Oregon voters in a family earning more than $50,000 by 26 points.

LOSERS

Gordon Smith: The Oregon Republican Senator tried to pick his opponent in the fall by running ads that blasted Merkley as a tool of special interests and lobbyists. That strategic decision seems to suggest that Smith regarded Merkley as the tougher candidate and hoped to end the race in May rather than fighting through to November. Time for Plan B. All is not lost for Smith, however, as he remains extremely well funded and, if Merkley's lackluster primary campaign is any indication, has an edge in candidate skills on the stump.

Republican Convention Planners: Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.) continues to win credible amounts of the vote in all-but-ignored Republican presidential primaries, bolstering his case for some sort of formal role at the party's national convention in the fall. Paul took 7 percent of the vote in Kentucky and 15 percent in Oregon last night -- more fodder for his rabid supporters to point to when the party establishment tries to push the good doctor aside in early September in Minneapolis. For all the talk of problems at the Democratic National Convention between supporters of Clinton and Obama, it could be the Paul backers who make the most noise -- literally and figuratively -- when convention time rolls around.

Arkansas Political Junkies: What happens if a state holds a primary and no one runs? That's basically what happened yesterday in Arkansas where Sen. Mark Pryor (D) as well as the entire House delegation won uncontested primaries and face no major party opposition in the fall. Is this the same state that gave birth to Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee -- two of the most savvy politicians on the planet? What happened?


By Chris Cillizza  |  May 21, 2008; 12:20 PM ET
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Posted by: The Crazy John McCain Song | May 22, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

"The Fix" was put in by the Washington Post and the rest of the media to black out RON PAUL.

Why no articles about Paul?

Posted by: tncdel | May 22, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

First, I find so many of the people who respond to these articles so racist and nasty. It's really disheartening. That said, one of the things that bothers so many of us about Hillary is her apparent limitless capacity for duplicity. Hillary said early this year that she wasn't worrying about Michigan because "everyone knows, it doesn't count". Also, some of you should pick up Terry McAuliffe's book: What a Party. In it he describes a discussion with the Michigan Democratic Party chair. Then as now, Mich wanted to move up its primary. McAuliffe recounts how he warned the Mich. Dem chair not to challenge him (McAuliffe). He said he'd cut the guy off at the knees and would absolutely strip Michigan of half its delegates per rule. So now, he's working with a campaign that's arguing for Mich and Fla to be seated as is even though they violated rules he earlier worked to defend? What gaul? What chutzbah! Hillary needs to quit soon after the June 3 primaries and get on the Obama bandwagon and help heal the unnecessary rifts that she's either created or exacerbated.

Posted by: George | May 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"In the past week, Obama has been obliterated in Kentucky and West Virginia by 5:2 margins. Since the Civil War, Democrats have won the White House but once while losing Kentucky (1960) and once while losing West Virginia (1916)."

These antiquated statistics mean nothing these days. They do more harm than good. Good grief, we're guaranteed to have our first major party black or female presidential nominee ever in U.S. history, let alone 1916. Times truly have changed..but since Obama couldn't carry WV in a PRIMARY, it's all over already?

First, come November, I think many Clinton supporters in the U.S. will go to Obama. Understandably, they won't say so (or even believe so) now, but come November they will be scared to death of 4 more years with a Republican president and/or talk themselves into Obama.

Second, McCain doesn't have near a hold of the Rust Belt as Clinton does...she was a much more formidable opponent in this region than McCain will be. Another plus for Obama.

JM has been the ONLY Rep. candidate for months now and still only pulls 72-78% of the vote in each state (Including 72% in KY). Not strong IMO...

Statistics like the one at the top are fun to throw out (I'm a stats guy myself), but shouldn't be used to automatically discount someone months before an election...

Posted by: The Narcoleptic Insomniac | May 22, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi just came out and said that sexism is not an issue for Hillary Clinton in this presidential nomination process:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbzT2YqhGT4

Posted by: Pelosi's Proof | May 22, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi just came out and said that sexism is not an issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbzT2YqhGT4

Posted by: Pelosi's Proof | May 22, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi just came out and said that sexism is not an issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbzT2YqhGT4

Posted by: Pelosi said what???? | May 22, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Obama won "slightly more narrowly???"

36 vs. 16 points?!!!!! Slightly more???

The Fix has been fixed for a while.

You won't hear it from the media elites, so let me report the significant results of yesterday's primaries:

Obama failed to break into double digits in 18 Kentucky counties and an entire congressional district. In nine counties (including Pike - home to country music legends Dwight Yoakam and Patty Loveless), he couldn't crack 7.5%.

Despite losing by a substantial margin in college-state Oregon (14 campuses in Portland alone), Hillary won the day's totals by nine percentage points, 142,000 votes and 13 delegates (58-45).

In the past week, Obama has been obliterated in Kentucky and West Virginia by 5:2 margins. Since the Civil War, Democrats have won the White House but once while losing Kentucky (1960) and once while losing West Virginia (1916).

Despite being outspent nearly 3-1, having the oldest first-time/major-party nominee in history, and holding the executive branch while 81% of the voters think the country is headed in the wrong direction -- the GOP is about to be handed an extended lease on the White House.

Posted by: Threedy | May 21, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton supporters are the big losers. They backed a candidate who ran maybe the most screwed up campaign in history. Now what is she doing, she is using their hard earned money she is begging for to keep this farce going to position herself for her own personal self interest for her and her husband.

She even made a slip the other day basically saying so. Everything from now on is to get herself something be it VP or a spit on the SC who knows. Either way her supporters are being made to eat s**t by her as she will in the end just screw them all. That includes anyone and everyone she owes money to after this disastrous campaign. When this is over the books will be coming out and the insanity going on the inside of the campaign will be amazing.

One of the reporters on the plain told a story of her pacing the plane and all of a sudden in mid flight telling the pilot to change direction so she could do a speech the next morning that was to be given by her daughter. It happened after her hearing Tim Russert say it was over.

She goes days with out sleep and is operating in such an insane manic way those around her don't know what to think any more. All they do is hope their next pay check clears as they stay onboard this train wreck in progress. I really can't wait to read some of the books. By the way her head people are already shopping around for publishers.

Posted by: | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse


They are not even citizens and can't vote in the election. Maybe Clinton can begin counting frequent flyer miles or the size of Bills crooked dick for a few extra votes.

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Obama will lose Puerto Rico by 600,000 votes on June 01, 2008. It looks like Puerto Rico will decide whether Obama will have popular votes win in this election.

Posted by: Puerto Rico Prediction | May 21, 2008 12:40 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse


The least naive players here are the Clintons. They more then anyone knew how it worked. Face it, they screwed up and have no one to blame but themselves. I don't feel sorry for them in the least

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Anyone who imagines that the delegate count--pledged, unpledged, and super--reflects the will of the people isn't paying attention or doesn't want to.

In Texas, Clinton defeated Obama by 100,000 votes and received 5 _fewer_ pledged delegate.

The story in caucus states like Nevada is even worse.

Since the Pennsylvania primary, Clinton has received 146,000 more votes than Obama. And yet unpledged and super delegates have gone in the direction opposite that of voters.

The popular vote is the will of the people. Everything else is old-time machine politics.

Posted by: WylieD | May 21, 2008 9:04 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

They WILL seat the delegates from FL & MI...probably at half of votes...with 'uncommitted' votes given to Obama in Mich, because he wasn't on the ballot (this option favors Clinton HEAVILY). Which makes the magic # 2131 delegates.
As of today the count is:
----Current Count---FL---MI---Supers---Total --Votes needed to win
Obama-1680---41---28-----308-----2057--- 74
Clinton-1518---52---36-----280-----1886--- 245

This is a BEST case scenario for Sen. Clinton....and yet, Sen. Obama is still in the lead by 171 votes.
There are only 4 primaries & 138 pledged delegates left in the nomination process.
TAKE NOTE: 114 of the undeclared super delegates are in states that Obama won & only 85 are from states that Hillary won.
Obama will be our nominee.
Seriously, Obama winning the nomination is the ONLY way the Dems will win in the general election. Hillary has a VERY strong Dem base...but the swing votes WON'T vote for her. Obama will get the majority of Dems, the Independents & the crossover republicans. And don't forget the millions of new voters Obama's campaign helped register...the Dem party is bigger and broader than ever. It's a no-brainer on the national scale

Posted by: Our Only Hope | May 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"The truth is that Senator Hillary Clinton actually has the highest percentage of Democratic supporters based upon the states she has won and the number of people who have voted for her!"

Yeah, like 100 percent...

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Hi Chris,

Did you see this about the Oregon mail ballot? Your counterpart in Oregon who writes a blog called West of the Beltway, said you got it wrong, because they start counting mail-in ballots before the polls close.

Misunderstanding vote by mail
Posted by Jeff Mapes, The Oregonian May 20, 2008 19:44PM
Categories: presidential race

Alright, I've seen this twice, so it must be a trend: the national media reporting that they're going to be slow getting results out of Oregon because of vote by mail.

From The Washington Post's The Fix:

The Beaver State conducts its primaries entirely by mail and its polls don't close until 11 p.m. Eastern Time. So, by the time any real results are available it may well be after midnight -- and it will certainly be after the 11 p.m. news on the east coast.

From Mother Jones:

...Oregon's innovative vote-by-mail system means that results from that state may not be in until 11 pm eastern.

No. You get results faster because of vote by mail. Elections officials have been counting since early this morning. The reason you won't get results until 11 p.m., Mother Jones, is because of the time difference. And Mr. Fix, if Barack Obama wins Oregon as big as expected, you'll find out while the 11 p.m. news is on the air.

Posted by: Instructor 5 | May 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who imagines that the delegate count--pledged, unpledged, and super--reflects the will of the people isn't paying attention or doesn't want to.

In Texas, Clinton defeated Obama by 100,000 votes and received 5 _fewer_ pledged delegate.

The story in caucus states like Nevada is even worse.

Since the Pennsylvania primary, Clinton has received 146,000 more votes than Obama. And yet unpledged and super delegates have gone in the direction opposite that of voters.

The popular vote is the will of the people. Everything else is old-time machine politics.

Posted by: WylieD | May 21, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that Senator Hillary Clinton actually has the highest percentage of Democratic supporters based upon the states she has won and the number of people who have voted for her!

Obama's delegate count is a myth, similar to him. Wall Street Journal, A.6. (5/15/08)
"Obama's Strategy for Low-Turnout Caucuses Helps Drive Delegate Edge."

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The Wall Street Journal is about as worthless as Fox News when it comes to Political News.

The FACT is...if Hillary had run her campaign correctly, she MIGHT be ahead. Instead she chose to believe EVERYONE would vote for her 'Name Brand'.

Obama ran a SMART campaign & it drew MILLIONS of new voters into the Democratic party.

Between two such candidates (Hillary =almost incumbent and Obama = man of the people) it doesn't surprise me that it is a close race.

But once the general election race starts...the Dems will all get behind the nominee. If they don't, then all those Blue-collar workers that Hillary professes to care about will slide completely into poverty. Gas prices will soar & with it food prices. Then people will have to choose between walking to work or stealing food to feed their families.

Hard times ahead regardless of who is President, but with a Dem there is at least a possibility that it will get better. With McCain, it is guaranteed to get worse.

The Wall Street Journal's explains the very simple process of how The Democratic Party counts the delegates . . . the system is convoluted and makes no sense.

Posted by: Cantabrigian | May 21, 2008 8:40 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

You think you know Obama? You don't know him. . . you know him as well as the person who lives three miles from your home who you have never seen before in your life!

You are kidding yourself if you think you know Obama!

Posted by: Cantabrigian | May 21, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a job equal to that of Sisyphus if he attempts to defeat McCain!

Obama does not believe in democracy, and has fought very hard to bury the votes of the Michigan and Forida residents! He and his Toadies have adamantly refused to recognize the ballots, and he is a very dirty political player.

He was trying to claim that Senator McCain was not an American. Obama has tried the same dirty tricks he used to win his Senate seat.

It is far more likely that Hillary's supporters will cast their votes for McCain, based upon his patriotism and character.

So what, if McCain is a Republican. It will take Obama at least FOUR YEARS TO LEARN WHAT IS INVOLVED IN THE JOB OF BEING PRESIDENT. WHAT A BLOODY LAUGH THIS WHOLE MESS IS TURNING OUT TO BE. . .

"This is about facing facts. And history will reflect poorly on Democrats if they believe it is virtuous to ignore race in the name of nominating the first black candidate for the White House - even if it means giving the Republicans a better chance to once again walk away with the big prize of the presidency." (Juan Williams, a political analyst with NPR and Fox News, New York Daily News).

Posted by: Cantabrigian | May 21, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

The DNC will be SHOCKED - come November IF Obama wins the Democratic nomination, but McCain wins the President's office.

It wouldn't be because of hanging shads or a Supreme Court ruling, but because supporters of Senator Hillary Clinton will never cast a ballot for Obama!

Posted by: Cantabrigian | May 21, 2008 8:40 PM

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In which case the Millions who voted for Obama were right....Hillary never cared about the good of the country...only her own vanity.

Posted by: Our Only Hope | May 21, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that Senator Hillary Clinton actually has the highest percentage of Democratic supporters based upon the states she has won and the number of people who have voted for her!

Obama's delegate count is a myth, similar to him. Wall Street Journal, A.6. (5/15/08)
"Obama's Strategy for Low-Turnout Caucuses Helps Drive Delegate Edge."

The Wall Street Journal's explains the very simple process of how The Democratic Party counts the delegates . . . the system is convoluted and makes no sense.

If this primary goes to Obama it is an election fix worthy of a third world country.

It is true that Obama virtually sewed up this race during his 11-contest unbeaten streak between Feb. 5 and March 4, when the voters had no bloody idea of who they were voting for, but remorse has set in and voters will not be so stupid as to vote for Obama a second time. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

If this primary goes to Obama it is an election fix worthy of a third world country.

The DNC will be SHOCKED - come November IF Obama wins the Democratic nomination, but McCain wins the President's office.

It wouldn't be because of hanging shads or a Supreme Court ruling, but because supporters of Senator Hillary Clinton will never cast a ballot for Obama!

Posted by: Cantabrigian | May 21, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Chris is just trying to be truthful.
We the working class Americans know more the issues facing our country than the elite and the supposed-highly educated Obamas supporters.
We are voting for Hillary, the most qualified and the best candidate for president. Hillary has the knowledge , the experience, the capacity to work hard, and compassion to be the best presiden t. Hillary will work to solve the economic,the secuirty, health care etc. problems the working class Americans face.

Posted by: AE | May 21, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wins, I will hold my nose as I vote for him in November. . . . . . . But, I will never vote for anyone (ie, John McCain) who sold America down the river in 2004 by campaigning strongly for George Bush. By then even staunch Republican leaders with just half a level brain should have known that Bush was the worst thing possible for America.

As for Obama, I found his race baiting insulting. . . . . . Why he was shouting "race card" so fast and loud, I thought he was selling programs for NASCAR.

I have seen no evidence that Hillary's campaign ever played a race card. . . . . . Bill stating that Obama's comparison of a little speech to a U.S. Senate vote as a fairytale, where's the race card in that? But Obama's campaign sure jumped the gun on that one; hummm, just why were they so anxiously quick to pull the trigger on such an accusation? . . . . . . . . Oh, and please, since when is being likened to Jessie Jackson a negative? unless you're a Republican!

NOW IF YOU WANT TO SEE a real race card, look at the "Call me" ad in the Tennessee senatorial election in 2006. . . . . Can anyone show anything even closely resembling that!!! . . . . of course not.

By constantly calling Hillary's campaign negative and racist, Obama did most of the negative campaigning.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | May 21, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama's people today - ON THEIR TAKE ON THE "RULES" FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO THINK OBAMA BELIEVES IN THE RULES:


Axelrod continues: "Well, obviously, any compromise is going to involve some give, and that means if there's something on the table, we're willing to consider it. That may include us yielding more delegates than perhaps we would have, simply on the basis of the rules."


SO OBAMA IS MORE THAN WILLING TO THROW OUT THE RULES TO GET SOME MORE DELEGATES.


HILLARY DESERVES ALL HER DELEGATES

WHAT A BUNCH OF FRAUDS

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Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 21, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain who? Republican party should be on the losers list. Every day they are out of the news cycle makes that much more work for the general election.

Posted by: Barry | May 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

George from NJ


Well the popular vote numbers became a topic of conversation when the Obama campaign started to bring it up as a metric.


It doesnt work out all that well for Obama anymore.


So people started to say, the primaries do not include the caucuses, which Obama won - so the Obama people insisted on adding estimates to the popular vote totals so Obama's numbers would not look so bad.

Hillary is going to win the popular vote - with all the adjustments the Obama people have asked for.

And your Governor is still a scumbag


Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not going to get the Christian, Jewish, White, Female or Hispanic vote. Barrack Hussein Obama will never be president. He is foolishly delusional. Democrats and Republicans do not want a president that is bought and paid for by the oil pumping countries. Obama former boss and fundraiser Syrian born Tony Rezko is indicted for fraud in Chicago. Nadhmi Auchi received money from Saddam Hussein's oil for food program and gave Obama $3.1 million through Rezko's wife.

Americans are not outsourcing the presidency to the Middle East. Obama is a leftist radical that wants Hamas to have its' own country funded by Carters Non governmental Organization.

Obama is going to fund the Iraq war this summer again. Another $300 billion proof that Obama will not get out of the war.

Posted by: Grace | May 21, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Our Only Hope


Have you ever heard of Tony Rezko ???


Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I was at a quick bar visit with the other Dem district PCOs in the U Dist in Seattle, where we heard the results.

While our state voted 71 percent for Obama and 77 percent in our district for Obama, party leadership is pretty evenly split between Clinton and Obama.

We all got along fine - and we're all looking forward to Jan 20, 2009.

Gonna be a lot of newly retired GOP members of the House and Senate, that's for sure!

Posted by: Will in Seattle | May 21, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama stands for the things I stand for. He comes from where I come from. And he understands that standing your ground is important...but so is listening to other people's viewpoints. He is strong...but admits he is not infallible.

Hillary is dedicated...but no more so than the other two. I like her stance on the issues, she is tenacious & a fighter...but she believes that she is always right. Every time she apologizes for something...I just don't believe her because she believes she is always right - always. She is too uncompromising and seems to have no ability to see the viewpoint of others.

John McCain on the other hand...has a strong appeal as an honest politician BUT his actions & his words are getting farther apart. He has used his position through the years, even as recently as 2 years ago to 'help out' his friends a little too much not to mention his recent personal attacks on Sen Obama (after promising not to run a slime campaign)...and his policy stances are completely contrary to any thinking U.S. Citizen and even WORSE...he has repeatedly shown his ignorance in matters of the economy.

The economy (& the way the cost of this ill-advised Iraq War is impacting it) is my MAIN consideration in this race...with honesty & the ability to work 'for the people' as an immediate next-highest priority.

The choice is clear - Barack Obama

Posted by: Our Only Hope | May 21, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"There are estimates out for the caucus states - most released numbers - OK so there are numbers out there."
So wait, you are proposing that we use "estimated" numbers? Whose estimates, yours? I realize that some people have a problem with math, but if you are seriously proposing this you also have serious problem with education. Who is the governor of New Jersey (feel free to Google it)?

Posted by: George from NJ | May 21, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary is staying in until the Convention"

Yeah, this is good. She has stopped really attacking Obama and is basically creating a huge voter drive for the Democratic party.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

It's time to push Hillary Clinton out of the race
I think Rachel Maddow has it exactly right:

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Anette


Is Rezko a Superdelegate? Can we look into that?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

George from NJ


There are estimates out for the caucus states - most released numbers - OK so there are numbers out there.

by the way George, your Governor is the scum of the Earth.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

You all make me sick! Is this what passes for civil discourse in what is supposed to be the beacon of democracy in this benighted uncivilized world! Education obviously has nothing to do with a university degree and facility with a computer!

Everybody, just simmer down! It's amazing to see how you think in an anonymous setting, purportedly providing empirical evidence and logic. You're letting it all hang out! It's not pretty, folks...it's pathetic!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

@ Puerto Rico Prediction and others:

Many people, including Hillary, propose that the "popular vote" should be the determining factor in this Primary election. How is it you propose we count the popular vote in the Caucus States? Or should we just pretend that those states don't exist?

When we teach our children, we teach them to be graceful in victory and defeat, to play by the rules, and that only sore losers try to change the rules in the middle of the game. What sort of lesson do you think Hillary is sending?

Posted by: George from NJ | May 21, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD


The Clintons are STAYING IN THE RACE UNTIL THE CONVENTION.


The reason is the smear campaign, the racist campaign run by Obama in South Carolina.

Take that - Obama did it to himself.


Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Chris, contrary what you think it the fact that Obama lost Kentucky by 35 points and hours later stood at a podium in Iowa, stating that he is almost there doesn't amount to a victory speech. The speech was touted as such before but exactly because of the huge loss in Kentucky and not so big win in Oregon he didn't dare to declare victory. And he shouldn't either before all the votes are counted. The superdelegates can turn on a dime (or on another Wright or Rezko)

Posted by: Anette | May 21, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Cillizza. Did you really call Mike Huckabee "savvy?"

Douche bag.

Posted by: JohnGalt1 | May 21, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

grdn_nell


Hillary is staying in until the Convention


The reason is the way the Obama campaign pushed race in South Carolina, it was dirty and underhanded.

The Obama campaign basically smeared Bill Clinton in South Carolina - Hillary and Bill Clinton are NOT leaving this race because that that stupid obnoxious move.

You will all come to understand that.

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Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 21, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Dawd those are adjustments, Obama has his votes added in already"

sure, you can add in whatever you want. If you want to say that between her and Obama, Clinton took 70% of the votes, go for it. If you want to add in her two senate elections, be my guest. Heck, go and add in the jurors who voted for her when she practiced law. And why not add in the votes for Bill Clinton's primaries and two presidencies, and governorships and what not?

There's a reason the superdelegates aren't buying the popular vote argument.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is just in the way now..GO HOME HILLARY your ruining the democratic party and making alot of headaches old lady

Posted by: grdn_nell | May 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Dawd those are adjustments, Obama has his votes added in already


So. let's take the most inclusive number.


Add in Florida, add Michigan add the caucuses, give Obama 150,000 more for Michigan and give Hillary an adjustment of 50,000 for Washington State.


That is fair.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Chris:


Obama's campaign theme has been destroyed by his own actions. Obama has made his own campaign theme a FRAUD.


That is Obama's major problem right now.

I do not see how he gets out of it. South Carolina was a mistake. Calling out Gerry Ferraro was stupid. Telling the Superdelegates to be fearful of a race revolt if they do not vote for Obama is out of control.

Obama has disqualified himself.


He has shown his inexperience and perhaps complete lack of ability to lead ALL the people of this nation. It's over for Obama - the people of this nation have seen enough already.

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Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 21, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

"HOWEVER, you have to give Hillary 50,000 votes based on the Washington State primary, and not the estimates from the caucus, who knows if the estimate is right or even close."

How many votes does Obama get from that?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is attempting to STEAL the nomination with underhanded RACIST attacks on Bill Clinton, Gerry Ferraro and RACIST threats to the Superdelegates that there will be "riots in the streets" if they do not vote for Obama."


Obama is NOT running a post-racial new politics campaign.


That is a FRAUD.


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd

I will concede to you 150,000 votes for Obama in Michigan - based on polling - the uncommitted votes were divided among Edwards and a few other candidates.

HOWEVER, you have to give Hillary 50,000 votes based on the Washington State primary, and not the estimates from the caucus, who knows if the estimate is right or even close.


Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"Please go to the DNC website and let them know how you feel about Obama STEALING the nomination away from Hillary who will have more popular votes"

Well, that means you're including Michigan.

That means you're a very, very stupid person.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse


Democrat for Life!


Please go to the DNC website and let them know how you feel about Obama STEALING the nomination away from Hillary who will have more popular votes.


Let them know you are upset that Obama's campaign did everything it could to PREVENT a re-vote in Florida and Michigan.


Let them know that the caucus system is unfair.


Let them know that you will not tolerate this kind of unjustice against the VOTING RIGHTS of the citizens of Florida and Michigan !!!


Here is the address now :


http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"Where is your evidence that Obama didn't know????"

See, I don't need evidence to prove someone DIDN'T do something. The burden of proof is on you.

I hope you're not so dumb that you didn't understand that.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Democrat for Life!


Please go to the DNC website and let them know how you feel about Obama STEALING the nomination away from Hillary who will have more popular votes.


Let them know you are upset that Obama's campaign did everything it could to PREVENT a re-vote in Florida and Michigan.

Let them know that the caucus system is unfair.


Let them know that you will not tolerate this kind of unjustice against the VOTING RIGHTS of the citizens of Florida and Michigan !!!


Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"My first choice is Senator Clinton. My second choice is McCain. And I don't have third choice. Why? Because I have the best interest of my country in mind."

So an anarchist state is preferable to having Obama as president?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD


May I point out that YOU do not have any evidence to support your position ???

OH what is your position? That the South Carolina Obama campaign was not pushing race??

Very difficult to believe with South Carolina all out there on the calendar by itself, that the headquarters of the Obama campaign did not know EVERYTHING going on down at their office in South Carolina.

Is this just another one of your lies or do you justify in your head as a deception?


Where is your evidence that Obama didn't know????

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Nobody should be fooled by Obama's cynical attempt to "unit the party" because he can't. Why? Because Obama is way out in the left limb. Because Obama is inexperienced. Because Obama is not honest. Because Obama is incompetent.

The Democrats don't win presidential elections because they nominate left extremists. This time around, it's not going to be a cliff hanger like the 2000 and 2004 elections. It's going to be a landslide defeat for the Democrats if Obama is nominated.

I am a Democrat. And I am well educated (A Ph.D from one of Ivy schools, not one of those half-cooked college kids) My first choice is Senator Clinton. My second choice is McCain. And I don't have third choice. Why? Because I have the best interest of my country in mind.

Posted by: GY | May 21, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

To all TRUE Democratic Supporters and OBAMA supporters....go to the website of the DNC and let them know exactly how you feel about them stealing the nomination away from Mr. Obama. You can communicate directly to them. Mr. Obama has played by the rules and to steal the nomination from him just to crown the Clintons is an act of cowardness and weakness of our Party. I urge all Obama supporters to go to this website. They will actually respond to you. The website is http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues. See you guys at the Convention in August. Democrat for Life!

My email is listed below: Keep up the good fight Obama Supporters...we'll all get through this...just keep your eyes on the prize...Luv Ya!

All of my family members and myself have been lifelong democrats and we have always committed ourselves to the needs and successes of the Democratic Party. We supported President Bill Clinton during his impeachment days and have always stuck with the Democratic party through the good times and the bad times. We have several generations of Democrats in our family and have NEVER crossed the party lines. As an African American female, I am totally appalled and hurt with the trickery and abuse that the "Democratic Powerhouses - The Clintons" are doing and continue to do to Mr. Barak Obama. Mr. Obama has played by the party rules, he sought out to win the most pledged delegates because he knew that was the rule of the DNC in order to win the nomination. The Clintons have under-estimated Mr. Obama's brillance, determination, and dedication to the DNC Party and now have posiitoned themselves in a a way to overthrow the will of the People and the Party while the leaders in the DNC stand idly by and watch. I will agree that Mr. Obama have withstood the harsh rhetoric and character assasination brought on by the Clintons, their surrogates, and supporters but this have probably made Mr. Obama a stronger candidate. However, it is now time to cut the cord on all of this nonsense, sit the Clintons down, and let them know in no uncertain terms that Mr. Obama has played by the DNC rules and have obtained the majority of the pledge delegates and it's now time to win back the White House. The more the leaders of the DNC stand idley by because they are afraid to go against the Clinton Machine is a sign of cowardness and weakness..and I certainly hope that is not the type of party that my family and I have supported though many years. I hope that you do not allow Hillary and her campaign to continue to divide the party and use the rhetoric against the party just to clench the nomination. I, as a Democrat hope that you don't take the nomination from Mr. Obama just to appease the Clintons. I would expect that Florida and Michigan who didn't play by the rules be punished as the DNC pledgd to do at the onset of the primary race. If you have to seat them, then I would hope that you do what the Republicans did and take 50% of the delegates away and do not seat either state as they voted. I have Democratic family members in both Michiganand Florida that followed the rules and did not vote because they felt that their vote would not count. Therefore you would be disenfranchizing all of those voters in Florida and Michigan that followed the rules, stayed home and didn't vote because they thought that their votes won't count. To try and appease the Clintons with a back room deal would be of great disservice to the democratic voters who trusted your system and supports Mr. Obama. I look forward to your response and an answer of how the DNC plans to move forward with the nomination of Mr. Barak Obama. Thank you very much for allowing me to voice my concerns.

Posted by: Democrat for Life! | May 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Tom W


Were you making the same comments when the Hillary supporters were shouted off the Daily Kos by the Obama people???

Or is your position limited to the actual positions of the posters?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is attempting to STEAL the nomination with underhanded RACIST attacks on Bill Clinton, Gerry Ferraro and RACIST threats to the Superdelegates that there will be "riots in the streets" if they do not vote for Obama."


Obama is NOT running a post-racial new politics campaign.


That is a FRAUD.

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Posted by: The Truth | May 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

On second thought, remain here. i will be abandoning this forum. Looks like its populated mostly by the screaming idiot variety of internet poster.

Posted by: Tom W | May 21, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Dear 37th and 0,

capitalizing things does not make them true! little known fact.

Stop chattering, you are bothering everyone with claims of racism and poorly understood constitutional law. If you don't have anything relevant to say, please go away.

Posted by: Tom W | May 21, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

DDawD


You don't have a shred of evidence to back up any of your points

How sad a person you must be


"Obama is attempting to STEAL the nomination with underhanded RACIST attacks on Bill Clinton, Gerry Ferraro and RACIST threats to the Superdelegates that there will be "riots in the streets" if they do not vote for Obama."

That sums up the Obama campaign - some post-racial vision - more like pathetic little scum.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27


Are you threatening the Superdelegates with a RACE REVOLT ????


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is attempting to STEAL the nomination with underhanded RACIST attacks on Bill Clinton, Gerry Ferraro and RACIST threats to the Superdelegates that there will be "riots in the streets" if they do not vote for Obama."

I may as well point out that you've got not a shred of evidence to back up these three points.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

If the Superdelegates are motivated in their voting by a desire to AVOID "offending" the black community, that is a RACIST motivation.


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Posted by: The Truth | May 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Response to mibrooks27 and kreuz_missile


I can tell you this: no one likes how you have been pretending that the math is all on your side, that the numbers are impossible - all to convince the Superdelegates to back your side.


The truth is Obama does not have the majority and he might never.


Then when you don't get the Superdelegates to back your side, you go RACIAL, and you threaten a RACE REVOLT.


THAT is a RACIST argument.


ARE the whites threatening to RIOT if Obama gets the nomination ???? YOU are turning this into a COMPLETELY RACIST CAMPAIGN BY SAYING THE SUPERDELEGATES SHOULD VOTE BY RACE.


sorry.


The TRUTH is that the RACIST tactics of the Obama campaign DISQUALIFIES him from being President - he is showing his inexperience and quite frankly showing the country that he should never be President.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Tim Russert confronts Obama about playing the race card (his "4 pages of talking points":

http://tinyurl.com/6gcstl

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

The next big Mash-Up for the Democrats is May 31 Rules Committee Nightmare - On one hand the party has a chance to right what is wrong and seat the Florida and Michigan delegates - on the other hand the party has the chance to finnally prove to everyone that the nomination is there to be stolen.
Is it Obama using the rules and the delegate distribution formulas and his racial baiting ways to steal the nomination OR is it Hillary who will use her insider dealing and smoke filled insider contacts to steal the nomination? Valid Question.

However for Florida and Michigan one can predict a very big weekend for Hillary on May 31 and then the Puerto Rico primary on June 1.

Obama is in for a big deflation - don't know if he will be derailed but the race will get closer.

The issues have to be addressed - the idea of a 48 state convention in a close race with an affirmative action candidate squashing election results in two states is nuts.

The issue is:

First, the state legislatures are sovereign, why in the world do they have to listen to and follow the inside deals which make up the rules of a political party ?

Second, taxpayer funds are involved - the parties are essentially ordering a state how it should spend its money. That is crazy and if a Court ever reviewed that issue, the party would not have much to stand on.

Third, because taxpayer money is involved, Constitutional protections of equal protection should apply - THUS the very selecting of South Carolina and Nevada OVER Florida and Michigan violates the equal protection protections - The COOPERATION of the states which are bound by the 14th Amendment in such a plan which violates the principle of equality among citizens of states is CONSTITUTIONALLY SUSPECT.

Fourth, the Voting Rights of the Citizens should prevail over any other interests in any event - such voting rights are incorporated into the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.


Again, I challenge the right of the party to be able to choose one state over another , in this case to select Nevada and South Carolina over Florida and Michigan

Again I challenge the right of the party to enforce it.

Fifth, the Voters are essentially innocent bystanders in the dispute between Harry Reid of Nevada and Carl Levin of Michigan -

Basically, a penalty is being assessed to the Voters if the Legislature does not grant its authority over elections to the parties. How does that make sense?


Good Luck Rules Committee of the Democrats - the Truth is behind every shadow.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The next big Mash-Up for the Democrats is May 31 Rules Committee Nightmare - On one hand the party has a chance to right what is wrong and seat the Florida and Michigan delegates - on the other hand the party has the chance to finnally prove to everyone that the nomination is there to be stolen.
Is it Obama using the rules and the delegate distribution formulas and his racial baiting ways to steal the nomination OR is it Hillary who will use her insider dealing and smoke filled insider contacts to steal the nomination? Valid Question.

However for Florida and Michigan one can predict a very big weekend for Hillary on May 31 and then the Puerto Rico primary on June 1.

Obama is in for a big deflation - don't know if he will be derailed but the race will get closer.

The issues have to be addressed - the idea of a 48 state convention in a close race with an affirmative action candidate squashing election results in two states is nuts.

The issue is:

First, the state legislatures are sovereign, why in the world do they have to listen to and follow the inside deals which make up the rules of a political party ?

Second, taxpayer funds are involved - the parties are essentially ordering a state how it should spend its money. That is crazy and if a Court ever reviewed that issue, the party would not have much to stand on.

Third, because taxpayer money is involved, Constitutional protections of equal protection should apply - THUS the very selecting of South Carolina and Nevada OVER Florida and Michigan violates the equal protection protections - The COOPERATION of the states which are bound by the 14th Amendment in such a plan which violates the principle of equality among citizens of states is CONSTITUTIONALLY SUSPECT.

Fourth, the Voting Rights of the Citizens should prevail over any other interests in any event - such voting rights are incorporated into the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.


Again, I challenge the right of the party to be able to choose one state over another , in this case to select Nevada and South Carolina over Florida and Michigan

Again I challenge the right of the party to enforce it.

Fifth, the Voters are essentially innocent bystanders in the dispute between Harry Reid of Nevada and Carl Levin of Michigan -

Basically, a penalty is being assessed to the Voters if the Legislature does not grant its authority over elections to the parties. How does that make sense?


Good Luck Rules Committee of the Democrats - the Truth is behind every shadow.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Words of Wisdom


Today Hillary announced that she just might go to the Convention

Unbelievable.

Maybe they will have whites in the streets threatening to riot if the Superdelegates go with Obama.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 21, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures - I hate to agree with you 100% however consider this in support of your positions:


Don't you get it: Obama's campaign is a bunch of LIARS.


Their campaign theme of a post-racial new politics is a FRAUD - they have been doing nothing but push RACE in order to get votes - now they are threatening the Superdelegates with RACIAL RIOTS if the Superdelegates do not go with Obama.

Check out this youtube clip on how Obama lied his way through South Carolina

Tim Russert confronts Obama about playing the race card (his "4 pages of talking points":

http://tinyurl.com/6gcstl

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Response to Mason:


First name-calling will get you nowhere.


I don't care whether you enjoy my paragraph structure or not.


For your part, you are wrong all the time, it matters not how your paragraphs are written.

We had an entire discussion with kreuz missile on last night's blog - he looked up some cases - yes the parties MAY have a right to exclude - HOWEVER those exclusions CANNOT be based on anything that enjoys constitutional protections like race, religion or EQUAL PROTECTION>

Yes, the Fifth Amendment liberty clause will come into play.


A party can not unreasonable FAVOR the citizens of one state over another - especially when taxpayer funds are involved - thus the initial rule favoring Nevada and South Carolina over Florida and Michigan is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Furthermore, for a STATE to COOPERATE in that plan that favors the citizens of one state over the citizens of another state is ALSO UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I really do not care if you agree or not - if you are a lawyer, you are not a very smart one.

This is getting quite boring, you should have been able to understand this the first time.

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

There is a lot of discussion about seating Florida and Michigan.

Today, on the t.v. shows, they were saying that Obama didn't campaign in Florida.

In August, 2006, in Chicago, Howard Dean clearly pointed out the rule that if anyone paid for advertising in Florida, they would not get any delegates from Florida.

The Obama camp and Axelrod and the media and the elite that support Obama, and the DNC, and Donna Brazile of the Rules Committee, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Teresa Heinz Kerry, Dashle, Richardson, and other supporters of Obama are living in total denial.

Barack Obama did pay for advertising that ran in Florida 8 to 10 times every day for two weeks prior to the Florida Primary.

That is Barack Obama's usual M.O., to do anything he wants to do and get away with it. The 17,000,000 people who support and vote for Hillary do remember that Obama broke the rules in Florida. Hillary did not break the rules.

I would not object to Obama getting the votes and delegates in Florida that were voted for him, but a 50-50 split is a slap in the face to all Americans, not just the Florida voters.

May 31 is the last chance the DNC and the Rules Committee will have to show a sense of fairness to Hillary Clinton. Otherwise, it will never be forgotten how they and the elitists and the media and the Obama/Axelrod camp totally worked against Hillary Clinton in every way they could.

Seventeen million voters for Hillary will not forget and most will not fall in line behind the Pied Piper from the Corrupt Chicago Political scene. Plus Barack and Michelle are so immature, angry, and inexperienced. I can't keep from shaking my head - NO - everytime I think about them.

Obama cannot win the general election. He has so many real negatives, the GOP doesn't even have to "swiftboat him." His real background of anti-American friends, family and associates and well as his father was a terrorist in Kenya, his cousin is a terrorist now, and the Ayers.

Just what is Nancy Pelosi, Donna Brazile, John Kerry, Richardson, and the rest thinking? Ist really baffles me that they are so uneducated and uninformed in this nomination process. Following along like brain dead sheep is not very attractive on them. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 21, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

0 for 37:
No you git. He's threating the superd's with mass apathy and furious, frustrated African-American, and frankly, other activists. That is all it would take to lose the election. Who will run the phonebanks, canvass etc?

On a side note, looked up those court cases I dropped on you regarding a party's right to seat whomever they please at a national convention? Though not. What a douche you are. And, please, stop typing in caps and writing one sentence paragraghs. It makes you look even more douchey. Try stringing together two consecutive connected thoughts for once in your pitiful life.

Posted by: Mason | May 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Demography is destiny? Didn't a Washington Post article point out that Obama WON white voters who make under $50,000 in Oregon while LOSING that same demographic in Kentucky? Perhaps racism and the race of the candidate are really destiny...

WA is also 100% vote by mail as of this year. Efficient good government is the norm in the Northwest. While Florida lost 18,000 votes in FL-13 in 2006 and ruined the 2000 presidential election beyond belief, Washington smoothly conducted recounts and settled the close 2000 Senate and 2004 Governors' elections. Another key factor about voting by mail: it significantly increases voter turnout. WA & OR are among the highest in the nation.

Swedish mafia: efficient but deadly.

Posted by: Jon Morgan | May 21, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Response to mibrooks27 and kreuz_missile

I can tell you this: no one likes how you have been pretending that the math is all on your side, that the numbers are impossible - all to convince the Superdelegates to back your side.


The truth is Obama does not have the majority and he might never.

Then when you don't get the Superdelegates to back your side, you go RACIAL, and you threaten a RACE REVOLT.

THAT is a RACIST argument.


ARE the whites threatening to RIOT if Obama gets the nomination ???? YOU are turning this into a COMPLETELY RACIST CAMPAIGN BY SAYING THE SUPERDELEGATES SHOULD VOTE BY RACE.

sorry.

The TRUTH is that the RACIST tactics of the Obama campaign DISQUALIFIES him from being President - he is showing his inexperience and quite frankly showing the country that he should never be President.


.

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27

Are you threatening the Superdelegates with a RACE REVOLT ????


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Maria - On one hand, I must say I'm glad to see that as a young person, you care enough to become involved in the political process. Good for you.

On the other hand, I'm concerned/curious about some of the views you stated here. First,I'd be interested to know why you think the Democratic party has trashed Hillary Clinton. I'd also like to know what it is that you think you know about John McCain and what about him impresses you. And since when HASN'T the Democratic Party been run by left-leaning males? Did I miss something in the last 40 years or so?

You say that you "...don't care if the party wins or not" and "[w]ho wants a government composed of liberal, chauvinists white males and irresponsible young people?" You also say that you're going to vote for McCain. So I guess this means that you want the government to CONTINUE to be run by conservative, chauvinist white males and irresponsible young people for at least the next 4 years????????? Oh, Maria. Dear, sweet, Maria. God bless you. Please don't make me think that what folks say about youth is true - it's truly wasted on the young.

If the Republicans keep the White House, write us back 2 or 3 years into
Mr. McCain's presidency when you're paying $7 per gallon for gas, the Iraq "war" is still dragging on, we're headed to war with Iran, and we're officially in a recession and let us know how you feel.

Posted by: bee bee | May 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Response to mibrooks27


Simmer down, simmer down

What has you so upset? Ted Kennedy and Gary Hart both went to the Convention - did you support them then?


Ted Kennedy, widely regarded, actually got the rules changed to allow the PLEDGED delegates to switch on the FIRST ballot.

WOW did you know that???

Hillary probably has about 170 of Obama's delegates secretly waiting to all switch at the Convention because they know Obama is an embarrassment to the democratic party, he adheres to Black Liberation Theology, and the polls will show by the late summer that he has NO CHANCE.


well.

NOW who is trying to save the party and who is trying to hurt the party ?????

Obama is attempting to STEAL the nomination with underhanded RACIST attacks on Bill Clinton, Gerry Ferraro and RACIST threats to the Superdelegates that there will be "riots in the streets" if they do not vote for Obama.


WHAT has this nation come to ???


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

37th&OStreet - You go right ahead and try that and I can promise you we'll emulate those villagers in Kenya and start burning witches. There is absolutely NO WAY, NOTHING that can give that toxic hag the nomination without completely and irrevocably wrecking the Democratic Party and likely sparking a nation wide revolt. Most of us have come to loathe you as much as we loathe Clinton. Don't you get it? Go away. Drop dead. Whatever. Your train left the station. You and your silly movement of shriveled old hags is at an end. You aren't needed. You aren't wanted. You aren't welcome. The Clinton's are finished and so are you. To be sure, they control a lot of the Party apparatus, but you cannot do more with that than throw a wrench into the entire election. If you somehow manage to steal the nomination, millions and millions of us will take to the streets in protests that will make anything ever seen by this country look tame. We will wreck the convention. Obama will run as an independent and no Democratic politican valuing their skin, much less their politcial future, will dare support your nightmare. Do you understand, now?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Response to Is anyone home? posting


WHAT you are doing is cutting Hillary's delegate lead from Florida and Michign in HALF - and then giving ALL of Edwards votes to Obama.

How is that fair???


Obviously we are on the affirmative action plan for delegates of Florida and Michigan.


YOU are forgetting about the Superdelegates who will ALL be seated.

Hillary deserves a NET 111 delegates on the pledged delegates and a fair chance at ALL the Superdelegates.

YOU are denying her her states.


What if we denied Obama Georgia, Minnesota and Idaho ?? They broke the rules - not sure which one however we will find one they broke.

Posted by: Florida Voter | May 21, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Kreuz_missile


You will be happy to hear that Hillary is contemplating going directly to the Convention with her case to the superdelegates.

She must know something that you do not.


She is actually looking at the polls for November and reasoning that the Superdelegates will come to their senses.


The weekend of May 31 - June 1 should be really good for Hillary - with at least some of her 111 net delegates from Florida and Michigan being seated.


So Hillary should gain 178 delegates and Obama should get 67 delegates from Florida and Michigan - combine that with Hillary CLINCHING THE POPULAR VOTE on June 1 and we have race !!!!!


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

marmac you are obviously an elitist snob and that is why you like Obama - you fit the latte liberal definition perfectly. Do you like Hyde Park too???


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Posted by: Hello | May 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

marmac, actually the "with a PhD" put you into Obama's demographic, education level tends to override economic status and gender

Posted by: kreuz_missile | May 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

CC -- I love being the exception to your "demography is destiny" argument. I am a 69-year-old, white women with a PH.D.: I live on less than $15,000 a year, and I'm a very strong Obama supporter. I challenge the demography of this race, and I challenge you to go beyond the easy answers.

Posted by: marmac | May 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I want to thank Chris for placing the convention in Minneapolis. He clearly understands what will happen in September.

Because of spending limitations on such infrastructure as highways and mass transit following the wise policy of our recent state administrations here in Minnesota we have limited revenue for frivolities like transit and now find ourselves with highway potholes the size of the Grand Canyon.

These new changes in topography are quite the scenic vista and well worth a trip to primitive Saint Paul. However, it may be a risky business for the delegates to get here; especially if you have to transit the rope bridges spanning the Mississippi between Minneapolis and poor benighted Saint Paul.

Obviously Chris knows of this situation and correctly envisions thousands of delegates, guests and press trapped on our West Bank. The obvious solution will be to hold the convention in Minneapolis. This is superb insight on Chris's part.

I just hope that the agenda of the Minneapolis will allow delegates to converge on the West Bank of the river so that we poor lost souls in Saint Paul can plaintively, and with great pathos, wave to them with our handerkerchiefs across that great divide.

And I hope it does not break our Saint Paul hearts as we deal with our inferiority complex.

Sigh!! - A citizen of Saint Paul

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Posted by: John | May 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

And the losers are:

Political Dinasaurs
Pandering Politicians
Victim-Mentality Voters
Victim Mentality Exploiters
Bigots
Racists

No names are required here. You all know who you are...

Posted by: JBE | May 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama got the big win he needed in a state that is, surprisingly, very white and very rural. Like it or not, Obama's recent losses have been completely about race. It's about racist Mason-Dixon/eastern-Midwest voters.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

For all of you out there that are considering voting for John McCain, think about this (I got this from another blog):

Why aren't you pro-McCain-ers joining up?

The military NEEDS YOU if they are going to sustain their current numbers in Iraq! They are having major problems! Record suicide rates combined with declining enlistment.

Don't worry...you probably qualify! They don't care if you never graduated from H.S....no GED required!
If you have a couple felons...no problem...you can STILL sign up!
Getting on in years?...they will take you up to age 43 now.
But even if you don't all rush to enlist...don't worry! You will get your chance. If McSame gets voted in ...the draft will soon follow. After all...we can't start a war in Iran without more troops............

Posted by: NO WAY! | May 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile,

Here is visual for those who don't want to look any farther than this article:

They WILL seat the delegates from FL & MI...probably at half of votes...with 'uncommitted' votes given to Obama in Mich, because he wasn't on the ballot (this option favors Clinton HEAVILY). Which makes the magic # 2131 delegates.
As of today the count is:
----Current Count---FL---MI---Supers---Total --Votes needed to win
Obama-1680---41---28-----308-----2057--- 74
Clinton-1518---52---36-----280-----1886--- 245

This is a BEST case scenario for Sen. Clinton....and yet, Sen. Obama is still in the lead by 171 votes.
There are only 4 primaries & 138 pledged delegates left in the nomination process.
TAKE NOTE: 114 of the undeclared super delegates are in states that Obama won & only 85 are from states that Hillary won.
Obama will be our nominee.
Seriously, Obama winning the nomination is the ONLY way the Dems will win in the general election. Hillary has a VERY strong Dem base...but the swing votes WON'T vote for her. Obama will get the majority of Dems, the Independents & the crossover republicans. And don't forget the millions of new voters Obama's campaign helped register...the Dem party is bigger and broader than ever. It's a no-brainer on the national scale

Posted by: Is anyone home? | May 21, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Well, unless the Democratic rules committee changes the rules to include Florida & Michigan & raises the number of delegates needed to win the democratic nomination, this contest is over and Obama wins."

Even with MI and Fl, Obama still has a pledged delegate majority. See Chuck Todd:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/21/1049331.aspx

"Obama has now won a majority of the pledged delegates even including Michigan and Florida (if you count the nine of Edwards Florida delegates, who have indicated they will vote for Obama. Without those Edwards delegates, Obama would need six more delegates to achieve a majority.) The splits factored in mirror the "beauty contest" primaries in Michigan and Florida. They are how the Clinton campaign hopes they are eventually seated. Those splits would be: MI: Clinton 73-55; FL: Clinton 105-76 (w/ Edwards delegates, 67 without)."

Posted by: kreuz_missile | May 21, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Between two such candidates (Hillary =almost incumbent and Obama = man of the people) it doesn't surprise me that it is a close race.

But once the general election race starts...the Dems will all get behind the nominee. The alternative will send our country down the tubes for good.

McCain's problems:

- Voted for Bush policies 95% of the time (more than any other Senator)

- Even though he, himself, has stated that he would prefer a 'Christian President' he is NOT a Christian! Personally, I don't care what religion the president is...but since McCain has stated a preference then maybe he should vote for the Dem Nominees. Both of them are Christian.

- Flip-flops on the issues (taxation, Military & Veteran support, lobbyists' influence, political ethics)

-Wife's business dealings are so shady she stated she would NEVER release her tax records (must be pretty bad!). Does she not realize that the American public has a right to know if their possible leader gets income from ANY source? She is married to him & even though they file separately, they have lived together & he has benefited equally by her vast fortune & business dealings!

-McCain's shady political dealings over the years to benefit his 'heavy-weight' supporters. In the Keating Five dealings, he pressured other politicians to help out his 'friends' while sitting on the ethics committee. On land deals he has repeatedly shown his determination to help his friends get land deals that make them HUGE profits (often at the expense of Conservationist's efforts & that go against public support).

Example 1: Initially reluctant to support the swap, the Arizona Republican became a key figure in pushing the deal through Congress after the rancher and his partners hired lobbyists that included McCain's 1992 Senate campaign manager, two of his former Senate staff members (one of whom has returned as his chief of staff), and an Arizona insider who was a major McCain donor and is now bundling campaign checks.

AND

Example 2: When McCain's legislation passed in November 2005, the ranch owner gave the job of building as many as 12,000 homes to SunCor Development, a firm in Tempe, Ariz., run by Steven A. Betts, a longtime McCain supporter who has raised more than $100,000 for the presumptive Republican nominee. Betts said he and McCain never discussed the deal

AND

Example 3: In the late 1990s, McCain promoted a deal in Arizona's Tonto National Forest involving property part-owned by Great American Life Insurance, a company run by billionaire Carl H. Lindner Jr., a prolific contributor to national political parties and presidential candidates

AND
Example 4: Despite John McCain's presidential campaign pledge forbidding official favors for top donors, the Arizona senator has introduced legislation and heavily intervened to acquire lucrative deals for a wealthy longtime friend who has raised a quarter of a million dollars for him so far.
A major U.S. newspaper has documented in a lengthy piece the decades-long relationship between the 2008 Republican presidential candidate and a powerful Arizona developer who has made millions of dollars thanks to the senator's efforts on behalf of the deals.
Without McCain's aggressive intervention, millionaire Donald Diamond could not have made the deals, which, in a few instances involved beneficial public-for-private land swaps and the actual re-mapping of public lands. McCain helped his friend acquire the valuable properties by introducing legislation in 1991 and 1994 on his behalf. The senator's efforts led to multi million-dollar profits and the acquisition of thousands of acres in Arizona. McCain has sponsored a third similar bill that currently sits before the U.S. Senate.
In 1999 McCain helped Diamond purchase highly-sought yet forbidden California land owned by the Army, which he immediately sold for a $20 million profit. Then McCain got his buddy a lucrative contract to develop a resort hotel and luxury housing in 2005. These efforts certainly contradict McCain's vows not to intercede with the government on behalf of a donor or take any action on their behalf that doesn't serve the public's interests.
FUNNY how every example above shows McCain 'reluctantly' helping them out....yeah, right. I haven't found a single time a 'friend' got turned down! This also leads me to wonder what kind of 'kickbacks' got funneled to Sen. McCain through his WIFE's business dealings! It would certainly explain WHY she refuses to open her tax records up to public scrutiny! And this type of stuff is exactly why it is important to know more about her financial dealings!


Posted by: Our Only Hope | May 21, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Winners: planners of the Democratic Party convention. They will have Ted Kennedy deliver an emotional nominating speech for Barack Obama, guaranteeing tremendous TV ratings and ensuring that there is not a dry eye in the nation.

Winner: Hillary Clinton. Her Supreme Court seat is being dusted off as we speak.

Losers: Republicans who think that they have a chance of winning in November.

Posted by: dee | May 21, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm a riting in Rambo in Novembry!

I aint votin' fer no islam!

plus, hes a black.

Posted by: Rambo fer Demicrat Nomernee! | May 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

3:37 p.m. post

"2025 delegates remains the magic number for the Democratic nomination, but it is my duty as a desperate deadender to obfuscate this plain and simple fact.

I have no idea what a Rules committee is, who is on it, or what they are thinking. But I and my aliases will keep posting otherwise.

Actually, our posts have been far fewer since being handled here in the last few days. The future looks bleak for Clinton and sock puppets alike."

Posted by: 37th&OStreet Translator | May 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Since all the HillBillaries want to change the rules, citing Obama's weak polling with Racist Mountain Dwellers, why not change the rules and nominate someone who would appeal to our Lowest Common Denominator?

Someone Like... Rambo.

Would that satisfy the HillBillies and HillBillaries?

Hill Billies Love Rambo. He'd Crush McCain on Vietnam experience, he's a "True Fighter" despite all the odds against him, and most importantly, he's NOT Black.

Might I suggest some national polling with McCain running against Rambo? It might be the way to go, if we're throwing the Rules out anyway.

Posted by: Rambo for President, USA !!! | May 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

To my fellow American's


All the fancy schools Senator Obama went to didn't teach history or geography in a stump speech a few days ago he said he's been to all 57 states. In another part of the stump speech he tried to trout some foreign policy skills his statement was Iran' Cuba, No Korea, Venezuela [and with a little laugh] these countries are too small to mess with the United States

Iran's land mass 636.296 Sq. Mi.

Cuba's land mass 42.803 Sq. Mi.

North Korea's land mass 46.540 Sq. Mi.

Venezuela's land mass 352.144 Sq. Mi.

Well I seem to remember a little country with 145.882 Sq. Miles called Japan put us to our knee's on December 7th 1941.

The worse part of American History was a man named Osama Bin Laden a man with no country ands the help of 19 thugs gave us 911.

Mark Bradley elgin il

P.S.
Go ahead and give Obama the keys to the nation who cares

Posted by: bradley | May 21, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

37th&OStreet - "...the voters did not break the rules and neither did Hillary..." Evidently you don't read. Right? *ALL* of the candidates were supposed to remove their names from the primary ballot. Obama did. Actually, so did Hillary. At the last minute, she and her supporters stuck her name back on the ballot, created a campaign organization, and actively campaigned for Hillary. All to create the mess we see right now. All in direct violation of DNC rules and in direct contrast to their pledges to do otherwise. Rewarding Clinton with even one of those delegates is an admission that election FRAUD is okay, that rules are meaningless. Well, it isn't okay with us and no one with any integrity will stand still for it. Clinton has LOST. She and her racist allies, the withered old Bolshevik hags and the current crop of racist bumkins, have lost. Get it? Now, please cease insulting us with your distortions of reality and "creative" math. Just go away. We don't need your votes, we don't WANT your votes, we want to see you consigned to the garbage heap of history. Racism, male bashing and bigotry, and the sort of bankrupt feminism you senile old hags practice is utter rubbish and has no place in this society.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 21, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Come on Chris...what is "winning slightly more narrowly". Aren't you a journalist? I realize how important this long primary has been to your blog getting lots of hits but do you really have to twist words into incomprehension? Why not say both candidates claimed landslide victories in their respective states?

Posted by: Nate | May 21, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

LOSERS: Rust Belt - Appalachian Hillbilly's...

They are slightly outnumbered by college educated "normal people," who sport teeth, and don't hate anything darker than a paper bag.

Why would these Hillbillies be so enamored with HillBillary?

Strange.

Posted by: Your Mama's Your Sister | May 21, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Although this point has already been alluded to, I am writing to reinforce the earlier comment that the convention is in SAINT PAUL, and not MINNEAPOLIS.

They are different cities!

Posted by: Minneapolis | May 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Good Luck, let the best affirmative action candidate win.

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet
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the be stupid comment was directed to the paver of this street.

Posted by: a troll lives on 37th and O | May 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
Dont you think that Obama struggling at the top of the ticket in Kentucky might hurt Lunsford in his campaign against McConnell? So maybe Lunsford belongs in a toss up category?

Posted by: Mike | May 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

While Obama does not have a nation-wide problem with working-class white voters, the fact that this is a problem in Appalachia and the Rust Belt is a problem for him, given the number of potentially Democratic states that fall into that area. Obama will likely have a tough time in Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana, and perhaps Virginia. Hillary would likely pick up all of those states, except Virginia. I actually think that Obama will win in Pennsylvania, since his strength in Philadelphia and its big suburbs will overwhelm his weakness in the central/Appalachian part of the state.

Posted by: mjames1 | May 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

can you go be stupid some place else?

Posted by: mercedes parked on 37&O street | May 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posts at 2:04 and 2:11 are copied from talking points posted on John McCain's website, which actually awards points for posting these messages. See for yourselfhttp://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

Posted by: troll alert | May 21, 2008 3:35 PM

You're right! I can tell just by the no name post. Typical,say something then hide. Just like the KKK hiding behind their masks. Now I know why they voted in baby bush. They're cowards just like him.

Posted by: jime | May 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"its kind of hard not to feel at least a bit smart."

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 3:25 PM

there is a first time for everything. congratulations.

Posted by: kin | May 21, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Why wasn't Kennedy in the list of yesterday's losers?

Posted by: info | May 21, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary does deserve her 111 delegates from Florida and Michigan.


Two points - the Voters did not break the rules and neither did Hillary.


Neither should be penalized.

The race was never projected to be this close, and because it is, the delegates should count - Hillary should get her 111 delegates additional, plus her shot at the superdelegates.

That brings Obama's lead down to 70


And they both have to get the superdelegates to get them to a majority.


Good Luck, let the best affirmative action candidate win.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

hillary's claim to be ahead in the popular vote is just like some of her policy proposals: voodoo mathematics.

Posted by: voodoo mathematics | May 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Posts at 2:04 and 2:11 are copied from talking points posted on John McCain's website, which actually awards points for posting these messages. See for yourselfhttp://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

Posted by: troll alert | May 21, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, unless the Democratic rules committee changes the rules to include Florida & Michigan & raises the number of delegates needed to win the democratic nomination, this contest is over and Obama wins. However, if the rules committee meets & changes the race to include Florida & Michigan then Puerto Rico, South Dakota & Montana become important going into the superdelegate vote in the convention. It would appear that Clinton would win Puerto Rico & Obama would win South Dakota. I have not saw too many polls in Montana, and don't know who leads there. McCain is ready to take on Obama, so hopefully the rules committee doesn't change the rules in the middle of the game for Clinton, setting up a McCain vs. Obama finale in November.

I disagree that Gordon Smith was a loser last night. He won his primary easily with about 85% of the vote. Also, Merkley has been an unimpressive candidate. If Smith's attacks have already weakened Merkley, you ain't seen nothing yet as well funded & savy as Gordon Smith is. He's a moderate Republican who will win fairly handily in November.

Posted by: reason | May 21, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

One Question... where were these Poor, "need a voice" Poor Whites... when the Democratics needed them 8 years ago?

Come on folks....

This whole thing is a Clinton Roost... and the it is crowing so loud, it very hard to imagine... People are not calling it for what it is...

CRAP!

Posted by: puddlescited | May 21, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

and believe you me, I have tried chewing and breathing at the same time and man, it is hard. And you throw in thinking, well, I tell you, you will need to get me some oxygen. You can't do both, liberala, you can't!!

Posted by: kin | May 21, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Realizing Obama is a terrible candidate is easier than chewing and breathing at the same time, but yet the other side of the political spectrum can't seem to pull it off."

See what I mean? When your competition is a horde of Bush lovers, its kind of hard not to feel at least a bit smart.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Realizing Obama is a terrible candidate is easier than chewing and breathing at the same time, but yet the other side of the political spectrum can't seem to pull it off.

Posted by: kin | May 21, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I really don't understand the concern about the Appalachian vote on the map along with ,Hill's wins in N.Y. & Mass. Barrack will take NY, Mass,and several others Hill currently claims along with others in the west and possibly Fl. And have more electorial college votes in the process.

Posted by: otter | May 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"why do liberals always think they are so smart?"

It helps to not belong to the group that overwhelmingly thinks Bush is doing a good job. Realizing Bush is a terrible president is easier than chewing and breathing at the same time, but yet the other side of the political spectrum can't seem to pull it off.

It's not that liberals think they are smart. Its that they understand that the typical conservative is as dumb as a rock.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The future holds more trouble than anyone can imagine right now. Todays $130 a barrel oil prices have more to do with speculators than with the actual amount of money going to oil producers. That is why the Saudi's, and others, will not increase output. In terms of output and demand, oil should cost at most $60 a barrel (some analysts think $50 a barrel is a more reasonable figure). Now, a problem with these speculators is that they are, in MOST cases, tied to Amercian oil companies AND many of the people involved are exactly the same folk that manipulated electricity prices in the Enron scandle. History is repeating itself. What us suicidal about this is that the pluging U.S. dollar has fostered a move to peg the price of oil to the Euro in the short term, but OPEC members are actively planning their own uniform currancy for the long term. In both cases, the U.S. dollar will sink further, foreign investments will flee the U.S. and our currancy, which has been propping up our disasterous government and private bonds and credit, which will simpy sink our entire economy. Late this year you will witness inflation approaching 30% for basic commodities like food, clothing, housing and fuel along side sky high unemployment and UNDER-EMPLOYMENT (whereby living wage jobs move offshore or are created for and "had" by cheap guest workers, leaving minimum wage jobs for ourr own citizens). The result of all of this is going to be the complete collapse of our economic structure, something worse than what Japan has been experiencing, something that will be a lot worse than the Great Depression for most people, but something that no politician or busnessman will do anything about. We have been in a great rush to leap over a cliff - free trade, disinterested and self centered citizens looking for bargains, seniors only interested in their immediate compfort with no thought for this nations future, corrupt money grubbing representatives. The last time a nation experienced anything like this was pre-revolutionary France. We can expect the same cycle of violance (and execution of the present ruling class), repression, loss of moral center, all leading eventually to a dictatorship and series of wars of conquest before the entire world turns on us and crushes us like bugs. Have fun while you can becasue you have NO FUTURE.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I mean look at me, I am at the bottom of the intelligence curve! And I am a conservative! I mean, I realize I am a gold plated dope.Why can't you liberals see this?

Is it hot in here?

Posted by: kin | May 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

you forgot the ultimate loser. the democratic party. now it will alienate working whites to appease blacks.

it's a lose/lose scenerio

Posted by: | May 21, 2008 2:58 PM

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I guess there was an emergency klan meeting or else it would have been fun to have ___ explain his statement...or at least his spelling.

Posted by: Obama '08 | May 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"The one thing Hillary has proven in her run for president is that Barack Obama has very little support among white working class voters, who have voted 60 to 70 percent against Obama across the country."

If, by across the country, you mean from southern Pennsylvania to northern Georgia. He does quite well with white working class voters everywhere else, from Iowa to Oregon.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | May 21, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

you forgot the ultimate loser. the democratic party. now it will alienate working whites to appease blacks.

it's a lose/lose scenerio

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

why do liberals always think they are so smart? do you realize that about half of you are below average intelligence?

I don't know how much self -selection goes on at this blog, but based on the comments here, one can reasonably assume that the Obama voters are all in the top 10% of the gullible voters.

Posted by: kin | May 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

To those saying we are morons if we vote for McCain. I am a democrat Iwill vote for him instead of Obama. I know McCain. I don't know or trust Obama. He has no experience. His questionable friends don't help either. I don't know what he is thinking. I don't like my party be hijacked by liberal/left males and few brainwashed females. They way Hillary has been trashed by the party is disgusting. I take it personal as an insult to all women.
I don't care if the party wins or not. I hope they lose. Who wants a government composed of liberal, chauvinists white males and irresponsible young people? I am young but I am not a moron.

Posted by: Maria |
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yeah, you are mensa all the way...

Posted by: sweating to the oldies... | May 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

When will the balance of the ballots in Oregon be counted? At lunch today it was stil aaat 88% what about the other 12%??

Posted by: jcless | May 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The biggest loosers of all were the Clinton hags, who were exposed as allying themselves with racists and "Reagan Democrats". Most of them are threatening to bolt and vote for McCain or stay home. Well, good luck with selling your agenda to Pat Robertson, McCain and all of those "Reagan Democrats" (who haven't voted for a Democrat in the general election in more than 50 years).

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 21, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

To those saying we are morons if we vote for McCain. I am a democrat Iwill vote for him instead of Obama. I know McCain. I don't know or trust Obama. He has no experience. His questionable friends don't help either. I don't know what he is thinking. I don't like my party be hijacked by liberal/left males and few brainwashed females. They way Hillary has been trashed by the party is disgusting. I take it personal as an insult to all women.
I don't care if the party wins or not. I hope they lose. Who wants a government composed of liberal, chauvinists white males and irresponsible young people? I am young but I am not a moron.

Posted by: Maria | May 21, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Demographers: The "demography is destiny" maxim continues to be born out..."

Really, Chris? You may want to qualify that a little better because the exit polls last night showed Clinton winning the "youth" vote in Kentucky by 10+ points.

That may be expected because the state went so heavily for her, but you're black-and-white declarations of othodoxy are as irritating as they are wrong.

Posted by: corbetto | May 21, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

LOSERS:
1. The Feminist Agenda - due to its grossly unforgettable image of implacable, unreasoning hysteria as personified by its first completely credible candidate and the ongoing last ditch effort by its more vocal representatives (read: Geraldine Ferraro) who threaten to vote for the pro-war, anti-abortion candidate should their girl not be given the "right" to steal (due to ludicrous cries of "sexism") what she clearly lost (through no one's fault but her own).

2. Reagan Democrats - might just as well join the Republican Party officially as their influence over the Democratic Party is now next to nil.

3. Mathematics Professors (everywhere) - who must now learn to deal with "Hillaryland Math" just as moral American parents once had to learn how to deal with Bill Clinton's redefining "sex."

Posted by: Carmen Cameron | May 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I count on you for accuracy & fairness. How then can you equate a 16 point win in Oregon for Obama as only sightly less than Clinton's 35point win in Kentucky? She has won 5 out of the last 7 primaries and yet gets little attention other than how 'gracefully' she should bow out! How about pushing her as a Supreme Court nominee when the next vacancy occurs? That is if Obama can beat the republican machine.

Posted by: Buff Brazy Given | May 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

After last night's CC post about Hillary's overwhelming landslide among white voters, I thought you were coming around. As you stated last night, yes, supers are thinking long and hard about Obama's chances in the general and they're not totally buying his, "Don't Worry, Be Happy, they'll come around to me" mantra.

Your post today -- once again virtually declaring Obama the nominee -- reveals that you're really torn. Yesterday's results proved the point: The voters want an alternative to Obama, and not necessarily Hillary.

Hillary did much better than many expected in liberal Oregon. Take a closer look today at the Oregon demos in the areas where Obama has been lacking.

While the pundits continue to press their story line, the supers continue to watch, wait, and strategize. The pressure on Obama is growing. He's young, and he can emerge to in a good position to capture key Dem voting blocs -- but another day...

...that is, IF he allows himself to become the party unifier, not Hillary;

IF he takes the vice presidential slot on a ticket lead by a compromise candidate like Al Gore, John Edwards, or even a Chris Dodd or John Kerry (hey, Nixon came back, why can't he?)

If Obama doesn't make the first move on forging a unity ticket (with Hillary winning party support for Senate majority leader), he risks seeing his candidacy implode due to unforeseen circumstances... or simply due to nagging doubts about his electability.

As for you declaring vote-by-mail a winner... let me remind you of instances in the past where mail voting has not been deemed secure enough to pass the "chain of custody" test.

Pick up the phone and ask some civil liberties advocates about the pro's and con's of vote-by-mail before you give your seal of approval.

Posted by: scrivener | May 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

More Winners

Crack dealers - Judging by many of the comments from Clinton supporters (HRC will win the popular vote by 600k thanks to PR, for example), crack is making a comeback in this country.

Kool-Aid vendors - What remains of the Clinton faithful has been taking deep and lusty sips from the community Kool-Aid fountain.

Posted by: bondjedi | May 21, 2008 1:52 PM

*************************
Other winners:

HRT vendors: Angry, hot/cold, irrational Clinton supporters swearing revenge by voting for a man they know will not support their agenda. People living and working near these people are slipping Premarin in their water bottles by the dozens.

Posted by: panic at the Clinton disco | May 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

John wrote "Just proves that the collage educated are dummer than the Hillary voters."

And from what "collage" did you receive your degree, John? Were you "dummer" before you went there, or did it just not have any effect on your spelling?

Posted by: jac13 | May 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton supporters are the big losers. They backed a candidate who ran maybe the most screwed up campaign in history. Now what is she doing, she is using their hard earned money she is begging for to keep this farce going to position herself for her own personal self interest for her and her husband.

She even made a slip the other day basically saying so. Everything from now on is to get herself something be it VP or a spit on the SC who knows. Either way her supporters are being made to eat s**t by her as she will in the end just screw them all. That includes anyone and everyone she owes money to after this disastrous campaign. When this is over the books will be coming out and the insanity going on the inside of the campaign will be amazing.

One of the reporters on the plain told a story of her pacing the plane and all of a sudden in mid flight telling the pilot to change direction so she could do a speech the next morning that was to be given by her daughter. It happened after her hearing Tim Russert say it was over.

She goes days with out sleep and is operating in such an insane manic way those around her don't know what to think any more. All they do is hope their next pay check clears as they stay onboard this train wreck in progress. I really can't wait to read some of the books. By the way her head people are already shopping around for publishers.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I just want to give you thumbs UP for what you said today at 1 pm on MSNBC.

I'm off topic (your winners and losers today made sense to me), but it seems to me the form Andrea Mitchell's questions took was leading you in a particular direction. You didn't take the bait.

That said, I think you were right about entrenched positions between HRC and BHO supporters. It is a function of who they are and not what they believe.

Posted by: Genna | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's accomplishments to date must not be underestimated nor ignored. Once she has conceeded the race, settled her oustanding debt ("outstanding" might actually understate the stupendous enormity of it), and reconciled with a man she's previously reviled, we can move forward as a party. She has certainly earned a reward from the eventual Obama administration and is deserving of no less. Might I suggest that oft-overlooked political plum...NASCAR Commissioner?

Posted by: Kevin | May 21, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

With the Democrats selection of the Nation of Islam leaders Louis Farrakhan desciple Barack Obama, who has a 20 year history of following and supporting his racist white and America-hating teachings, John McCain is a winner BIG TIME!!!
The one thing Hillary has proven in her run for president is that Barack Obama has very little support among white working class voters, who have voted 60 to 70 percent against Obama across the country. While Obama will get 90 to 95 percent of the racist black vote who will vote for him only because he's the same skin color, they're only about 12 to 13 percent of the US population and are practically all Democratic Party voters anyway. This gains Obama nothing. Ditto for the liberal white voters, the Socialists that make up most of Academias professors, and the immature students who are all big Obama supporters. The people who elect the US President in every election are the working class people of America because they are the vast majority of American voters. These are the voters Obama needs to get elected and these are practically all voting against the white and America--hating Barack Obama and for Hillary. With Hillary eliminated, all these votes will be either lost when these voters stay home or will go for McCain. Obama's selection as the Democrats front runner practically guarantees John McCain's election in the general come November.

Posted by: madhatter | May 21, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Gordon Smith might be very tough to beat. Oregon will often choose a traditional democrat over a traditional republican but very much likes independent-minded republicans over traditional anything.

Remember, last year Smith co-sponsored (with Ted Kennedy) the Matthew Shepard Amendment, which broadens the definition of hate crimes to include gender, gender identity, sexual orientation and disability.

This is the type of republican that does very well here.

Posted by: voter in Oregon | May 21, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

More Winners

Crack dealers - Judging by many of the comments from Clinton supporters (HRC will win the popular vote by 600k thanks to PR, for example), crack is making a comeback in this country.

Kool-Aid vendors - What remains of the Clinton faithful has been taking deep and lusty sips from the community Kool-Aid fountain.

Posted by: bondjedi | May 21, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

While Obama was obviously a winner his campaign lost now that Appalachia sound bites will be going off the air. Every time the networks and cable ran another hillbilly sound bite you could hear the dollars, voters and volunteers in areas that actually matter to his general election strategy pour into the campaign. For all the hay the Clinton neo-Dixiecrats are making about a constituency they haven't won since the Democrats were the party of segregation the Obama campaign knew it was a mini-macaca moment. Webb won VA because of people who didn't want to be associated with the state's klan-orientated past. The Obama campaign knows that open displays of white racism drive more resources and voters to him than they take away. Just ask the losers in the Congressional special elections.

Posted by: muD | May 21, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Vlad - your geography is a bit off. Minneapolis is on both sides of the river, with the east-west divider being 280.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | May 21, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

37th & O: So, what if Michigan and Florida decided to hold their presidential elections in mid-October? Do you think those votes should be counted when the new president is elected? As another poster pointed out, BOTH parties sanctioned these states.

Even if the delegations were counted, it's already been shown that it wouldn't change the overall totals. Clinton nets 111 delegates, sure to be less as Edwards' delegates have mostly moved to Obama. Second, undeclared was a stalking horse for Edwards and Obama. That's why the Michigan Dem. party proposed awarding these delegates to Obama. Include the same 50% sanction as the Republicans and Clinton nets a measly 30 delegates.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | May 21, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Chris:
You and your other D.C. pals need to get out of the Beltway from time to time. I realize you are keeping an eye out on 50 states, but I couldn't believe both you and some of the cable talking heads thought that Oregon's vote by mail process would make a late night. It never does. Since we've instituted this process, results are almost always known by 10 p.m. local time. It's a great system other states ought to take a look at.
Second, while I am content with Jeff Merkley as the nominee, you have consistently devalued Steve Novick's candidacy. Smith will be tough to beat, but Novick would have been a more than credible general election candidate and I have no doubt he will be running for high office again. He's an extremely interesting person and I am sorry you never took the time to learn more about him and his candidacy. Quit relying on all the DNC and RNC types for your "inside" information. Call some reporters in the field, like you used to do with Charlie Cook!

Posted by: Scott | May 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Losers - Sock puppets like WoW.

Posted by: bondjedi | May 21, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

37th&OSt

Since you are so eager to count all votes or not have them on the ballot please include the Republicans. McCain only got half the delegates that were given to Florida and Michigan. The rest were a punishment for having an early primary.
I would love to see a ballot with no major parties.
Same old song and dance Republicans don't like there chances so lets change the rules. Republicans will lose their hold on power lets change the rules.
Neocons the non-thinking man's answer to a brain.

Posted by: R are toast | May 21, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Me, because I get to watch the foolish Clinton voters delude themselves a little longer. It is great theater. I hope they don't start taking the gas pipe when they discover it was all a scam the last few months by Hillary and just a big goof on the poor schmucks who supported her.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Just proves that the collage educated are dummer than the Hillary voters. Obama has nothing to offer but Obama. Very little to nothing at all.

Posted by: JOHN | May 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Nor'Easter May 21, 2008 12:50 PM "

I agree 100%. The DNC needs to have their collective heads examined.

Posted by: svbreeder | May 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

WINNERS: Minneapolitans who find amusement in St Paulites' inferiority complexes (see Vlad's post(s), below)

Posted by: bsimon | May 21, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

WINNERS: bsimon, who predicted that Senator Clinton would promise to dig a path to the nomination through the rubble left by her landslide victory in Kentucky. You can't deny me a T-shirt this time!

Posted by: bsimon | May 21, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Winners.

First is Sen Kennedy. Still fighting as he has all his life when he could have sat on his trust fund.

Both parties for coming togther and offering Kennedy thoughts and prayers.

Obama and Hillary for praising each others campaigns, I wish both of their supporters would take the lesson.

Losers.

Still the DNC, the biggest loser this election. I have given in the past but will never again until they straighten out this mess, no matter how well his 50 state approach may have worked, Dean messed up here.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What do you want? Please, Sweetie, would you just tell me what you want?"
.......


"Hillary, when are you going to realize that these whites you consider your pawns are so sick of the Republicans that they're going to vote for anybody who has the 'D' next to their name, and it's going to be me. So cool it with the White Fright. Now what do you want? Debt relief?"

"Bill and I don't need your Netroots arugula moolah. We don't need your stinking $20 donors. We've got Burkle, the Saudis, the Kuwaitis and Kazakh uranium loot on tap."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/opinion/21dowd.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

Hey, she's funny again. Must be a ghost writer.


Posted by: Moron Dowd | May 21, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

CHRIS: DID YOU HEAR ME? JOHN MCCAIN - WINNER!! C'MON! WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!

hello? is this microphone on? Didja catch my speech in Israel? Yahooo!!!

McCain '08 - him and me go way back, son!!

Posted by: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue | May 21, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Chris:


You left JOHN MCCAIN off the WINNERS list - the continued democratic primary season is making him a WINNER like no other.


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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Who really cares about Puerto Rico? Just two months ago Puerto Rico was slated to hold a caucus on June 6th, but not only did they moved up the date to June 1st, they converted from a caucus to a primary. I can see an ineffective primary process happening in Puerto Rico. Puerto Ricans don't vote in the general election. It is a true travesty for Puerto Rico to have 55 pledged delegates which is more than 26 U.S. states and D.C.

Posted by: AJ | May 21, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Annie B nasty nasty Why not be part of the solution instead of part of the problem?

Posted by: nclwtk | May 21, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Ops. The website kept saying error and not sending.

Posted by: Vlad | May 21, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the GOP convention is in ST. PAUL. Please stop referring to us on the better side of the river as mpls.

How about a updated House Line this week?

Posted by: Vlad | May 21, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

It is a good idea to deny BALLOT access to the democratic party in Michigan and Florida for its Presidential nominee.


It is clear that the nominee is being chosen without those two states.

That makes those two states free to have the democratic party not participate on their ballots come November.

It is clear and simple.

The Democrats did this to themselves - Obama's failure to back a re-vote in a meaningful way set the tone as well.

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Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 21, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How about the tiny factor? On the one hand, we could all hum tip-toeing through the tulips along with Obama and Tiny Tim. On the other hand, we might cast our minds back to "tiny" anthrax envelopes or think about "tiny" suitcase bombs or "tiny" nanotechnology innovations in chemical and biological weapons. I also wonder how all those developing countries, allegedly ready to embrace us once again with a President Obama, will enjoy the big boy's view of their tiny status.

Coming from a man who aspires to bear the single greatest responsibility for the peace and security of the free world, the resemblance to "peace for our time" is the least of Obama's problems. The real problem is a book with a name like "Terrorism for Dummies" would have to become bedside reading at the White House.

Posted by: Anne b | May 21, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Nice tip of the hat to Schumer. His willingness to tangle with local pols a bit to help bring electable candidates to the forefront (e.g., Bob Casey in PA) has been invaluable to the Dems.

Posted by: MShake | May 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Or this from Obama in Roseburg, Ore., last Saturday: "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say O.K. That's not leadership. That's not going to happen."


I will need to consult the UN menu before lunch today. anyoone know where I can find it.

Posted by: global oversight | May 21, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

...And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

Posted by: el_barto | May 21, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

To the Losers List: Add whoever in the Democratic Party decided to make Puerto Rico a player.

Puerto Rico has more Democratic Convention delegates than 26 actual States and the District of Columbia.

Puerto Ricans cannot vote in U. S. General Elections; but do not pay U. S. Income Taxes.

It must has been a "Feel Good" thing by some Democratic bigwig. Now we have to listen to all of the pundits baloney about how important the Puerto Rican Primary is.

Representation Without Taxation! Not bad.

The District of Columbia delegation, and the 26 other States', should have something to say to the Democrats' Rules Committee in Denver about this stupidity.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | May 21, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the GOP convention is in ST. PAUL. Please stop referreing to us on the better side of the river as mpls.

Posted by: Vlad | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

YES A CALL FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Florida and Michigan have the ball in their court now - the Democrats don't want the voices of Florida and Michigan citizens to be heard while the democratic nomination is still being decided?

How about if there is a movement within Florida and Michigan to deny the democratic party nominee ballot access in November in return. A fitting response. If the democrats do not want to count ALL of delegates elected on the dates selected by the STATE LEGISLATURE, then the democratic nominee should not be recognized on the ballots of those states in November.

There is no way that the democratic party should expect ANY cooperation from Florida or Michigan.

Florida and Michigan have the CONSTITUTIONAL POWER to set the rules for their own elections. The Constitution does not give the parties the right to set the rules for elections, nor does the Constitution give the parties power to select Nevada and South Carolina to hold elections before Florida and Michigan.

If the democrats do not want to respect Florida and Michigan, it doesn't have to go the other way either.

Each state should make a law that states that no political party can have its nominee on the ballots in Florida and in Michigan if the delegates selected are not counted BEFORE the nominee is decided, in this case when one candidate has the majority of delegates.

In the case of Michigan, place the provision in a bill which includes other items and negotiate a way to have the Governor agree.

In the interests of fairness, Obama has only himself to blame for actively attempting to PREVENT re-vote in Florida and Michigan. Obama has sought to take advantage of this issue, and has not lended any help in solving this issue.

Quite to the contrary, there has been an active campaign by the Obama people to PREVENT the re-votes and STOP the voters of Florida and Michigan from counting in the Democratic nomination process.

Obama has taken this course because his lead looks much stronger without Florida and Michigan delegates - little help to the right to vote or to democracy itself.


SANCTIONS AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

.

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"...And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to
remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful
in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar
caves."

Posted by: el_barto | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

YES A CALL FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Florida and Michigan have the ball in their court now - the Democrats don't want the voices of Florida and Michigan citizens to be heard while the democratic nomination is still being decided?

How about if there is a movement within Florida and Michigan to deny the democratic party nominee ballot access in November in return. A fitting response. If the democrats do not want to count ALL of delegates elected on the dates selected by the STATE LEGISLATURE, then the democratic nominee should not be recognized on the ballots of those states in November.

There is no way that the democratic party should expect ANY cooperation from Florida or Michigan.

Florida and Michigan have the CONSTITUTIONAL POWER to set the rules for their own elections. The Constitution does not give the parties the right to set the rules for elections, nor does the Constitution give the parties power to select Nevada and South Carolina to hold elections before Florida and Michigan.

If the democrats do not want to respect Florida and Michigan, it doesn't have to go the other way either.

Each state should make a law that states that no political party can have its nominee on the ballots in Florida and in Michigan if the delegates selected are not counted BEFORE the nominee is decided, in this case when one candidate has the majority of delegates.

In the case of Michigan, place the provision in a bill which includes other items and negotiate a way to have the Governor agree.

In the interests of fairness, Obama has only himself to blame for actively attempting to PREVENT re-vote in Florida and Michigan. Obama has sought to take advantage of this issue, and has not lended any help in solving this issue.

Quite to the contrary, there has been an active campaign by the Obama people to PREVENT the re-votes and STOP the voters of Florida and Michigan from counting in the Democratic nomination process.

Obama has taken this course because his lead looks much stronger without Florida and Michigan delegates - little help to the right to vote or to democracy itself.


SANCTIONS AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

There's no precedent in modern primary history for a candidate growing weaker* the more his nomination becomes inevitable. His boast of finally getting a majority of pledged delegates - or whatever cockamie Democrat arithmetical milestone he reached last night - felt like a steam train running out of coal. He's still moving uphill, just about, but ever slower ...and slower ...and slo..w...er.

Posted by: the little train that couldn't | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the GOP convention is in ST. PAUL. Please stop referreing to us on the better side of the river as mpls.

Posted by: Vlad | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

YES A CALL FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Florida and Michigan have the ball in their court now - the Democrats don't want the voices of Florida and Michigan citizens to be heard while the democratic nomination is still being decided?

How about if there is a movement within Florida and Michigan to deny the democratic party nominee ballot access in November in return. A fitting response. If the democrats do not want to count ALL of delegates elected on the dates selected by the STATE LEGISLATURE, then the democratic nominee should not be recognized on the ballots of those states in November.

There is no way that the democratic party should expect ANY cooperation from Florida or Michigan.

Florida and Michigan have the CONSTITUTIONAL POWER to set the rules for their own elections. The Constitution does not give the parties the right to set the rules for elections, nor does the Constitution give the parties power to select Nevada and South Carolina to hold elections before Florida and Michigan.

If the democrats do not want to respect Florida and Michigan, it doesn't have to go the other way either.

Each state should make a law that states that no political party can have its nominee on the ballots in Florida and in Michigan if the delegates selected are not counted BEFORE the nominee is decided, in this case when one candidate has the majority of delegates.

In the case of Michigan, place the provision in a bill which includes other items and negotiate a way to have the Governor agree.

In the interests of fairness, Obama has only himself to blame for actively attempting to PREVENT re-vote in Florida and Michigan. Obama has sought to take advantage of this issue, and has not lended any help in solving this issue.

Quite to the contrary, there has been an active campaign by the Obama people to PREVENT the re-votes and STOP the voters of Florida and Michigan from counting in the Democratic nomination process.

Obama has taken this course because his lead looks much stronger without Florida and Michigan delegates - little help to the right to vote or to democracy itself.


SANCTIONS AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

.

Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the GOP convention is in ST. PAUL. Please stop referreing to us on the better side of the river as mpls.

Posted by: Vlad | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the GOP convention is in ST. PAUL. Please stop referring to us on the better side of the river as mpls.

Posted by: Vad | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the GOP convention is in ST. PAUL. Please stop referreing to us on the better side of the river as mpls.

Posted by: Vlad | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris, the GOP convention is in ST. PAUL. Please stop referreing to us on the better side of the river as mpls.

Posted by: Vlad | May 21, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Here we are, four days from Memorial Day weekend, and Congress still hasn't passed a funding bill for the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers and Marines are achieving undeniable progress on the ground in Iraq--and what does Congress do? It spends the final hours before Memorial Day recess passing this "critical" legislation:

* H.Res. 1147 - Congratulating the Northern Kentucky University Norse women's basketball team
* H.Con.Res. 305 - Recognizing the importance of bicycling in transportation and recreation
* H.Res. 1144 - Expressing support for designation of a "Frank Sinatra Day"
* H.Res. 1152 - Honoring Arnold Palmer for his distinguished career in the sport of golf and his commitment to excellence and sportsmanship
* H.Res. 1074 - Honoring the 60th anniversary of the commencement of the carving of the Crazy Horse Memorial

Posted by: what is impotency? | May 21, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama will lose Puerto Rico by 600,000 votes on June 01, 2008. It looks like Puerto Rico will decide whether Obama will have popular votes win in this election.

Posted by: Puerto Rico Prediction | May 21, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

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