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Assessing John Thune's 2012 chances



South Dakota Sen. John Thune is likely to consider a run for president in 2012. Photo by Melina Mara of the Washington Post

Today's candidate filing deadline in South Dakota marks the start of serious talk about Sen. John Thune's potential presidential campaign in 2012.

The Thune forces have been loathe to discuss his potential 2012 candidacy while there was still a possibility -- albeit it a VERY slim one -- that he could draw a serious Democratic challenge for his re-election race this fall.

But, privately, those close to Thune acknowledge that he has been receiving considerable encouragement to run and is likely to take a hard look at a national bid. Those same sources caution, however, that he remains entirely undecided and his decision will be heavily shaped by what he hears and sees in the coming months. (They also note that Thune will keep an eye closely on South Dakota to ensure he doesn't repeat the mistakes of then Sen. George Allen in 2006.)

Thune will likely focus on building out an issue portfolio via his chairmanship of the Republican Policy Committee -- the committee released a report on Iran this morning -- with a specific focus on spending and debt issues. (Thune has been an outspoken opponent of the Troubled Asset Relief Program almost since its inception -- although he did vote for the bill.)

He will also likely begin to do more for candidates running for office in 2010 via his Heartland Values PAC -- a process that will allow him to visit key early primary and caucus states to gauge support.

So, does Thune have a legitimate shot at the nomination? Here's our take on his strengths and his weaknesses.

STRENGTHS

* Buzz: Thune is the candidate that most Republican operatives we talk to are most excited about. And, buzz matters. The race for a presidential nomination is like a glacier -- the bulk of it happens almost entirely out of sight from the general public. Winning what Mark Halperin deemed the "Invisible Primary" is critically important as it it shapes what the race looks like once average people start paying attention.

* Money: Everyone will be chasing former Gov. Mitt Romney (R) in the dash for campaign cash but Thune -- more so than the likes of Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels or even Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty -- has an existing national fundraising network already in place thanks to his 2004 victory over then Sen. Tom Daschle. Thune would also start a presidential campaign with a $6 million nest egg from his Senate account.

* Team: Since his first race for the House in 1996, Thune has methodically assembled a high-end group of staff and political operatives. Among them: Senate re-election campaign manager Justin Brasell, pollster Glen Bolger, media consultant Scott Howell, chief of staff Matt Zabel, communications director Kyle Downey, longtime South Dakota strategist Ryan Nelson and Doug Schwartz, the deputy staff director at the Republican Policy Committee. Any candidate for national office MUST have a group of experienced political hands to guide him and Thune has already checked that box.

* Social Conservative record, Mainstream appeal: Thune is very conservative -- he was the sixth most conservative Senator in National Journal's 2009 vote ratings -- but comes across as a genial Midwesterner. That approach (and appeal) means that he should be able to straddle -- or at least try to straddle -- the social conservative/mainstream conservative chasm that almost always occurs in presidential primary fights.

* Geography: Thune has represented a state bordering Iowa for the better part of the last 15 years. As a result, he has (some) exposure in the western part of the Hawkeye State -- the media markets overlap -- which also happens to be the portion of the state where most Republicans live. Geography isn't always destiny in presidential politics but it can't hurt.

WEAKNESSES

* Fire in the belly: To a person, even Thune's most ardent admirers wonder whether he really wants to be president bad enough to do what it takes -- Richard Ben Kramer reference! -- to win. Running for president nowadays is a multi-year, full-bore commitment of time and energy that can run even the most energetic soul ragged. His critics note that his entire life has been a series of relatively easy successes; his defenders note that he put his political career on the line when he challenged Daschle in 2004 after losing to Sen. Tim Johnson (D) in 2002, hardly the stuff of someone who doesn't like tough fights. Whether the reputation is deserved or not, it is clearly something that Thune will have to prove wrong if he decides to run.

* The "Sen." problem: Most Republicans believe the path to victory against Obama in 2012 is to run a chief executive with strong outsider credentials and a long resume of accomplishments -- not a Senator with a voting record that can be sliced and diced by Democratic opposition researchers. And, remember that Obama was the first Senator since John Kennedy in 1960 to be elected as president directly from the world's greatest deliberative body.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 30, 2010; 3:35 PM ET
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Comments

Obama will be vetted in 2012,everybody will found out who he realy is,then he will loose the election.

Posted by: minkamimbadi | April 1, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I used to like Thune but recently he co-sponsored the "Beligernce" bill with McAmnesty & Liberman. S3081 is Treasonious and directly attacks the Constitution in violation of their oath to protect and defend it. This bill directly attacks U.S. Citizens on U.S. Soil granting interrogation and transportaion by the CIA and indefinate encarceration by the military of American citizens, denying U.S. Citizens Miranda Rights and 4th Amendment due process of Law from an unfounded accusation. It is Tyranny at it's Finest. These are things REVOLUTIONS are made of, so what is he thinking?

Posted by: RINOHunter | April 1, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Dear Post Editors --

Chris is great. Give him more space, more ink -- even a better desk.

But most of all, give him an editor that knows the difference between a "glacier" and an "iceberg."

Posted by: barker3320 | April 1, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

There are many strong Republicans in the consideration set (not to suggest that's the same thing as being in the legitimate running) for 2012. Thune is one. He's smart, well-spoken, solid on most issues, not a bomb thrower, not easily labeled as an extremist except by the people who call every Republican an extremist and therefore have no credibility. Mitch Daniels, Tim Pawlenty, Paul Ryan, and a few others would be tremendous presidents -- *far* superior to Pres. Obama, who time will reveal as a detriment to the nation, if not a "failure" as president (mind you, the "keepers of the narrative" on the left are already pushing his credentials as an historic figure, and that's probably not preventable given the composition of the media and academic elites).

But Thune will struggle with the "type" problem, meaning he will struggle to seem the grandiose self-promoter. That's an odd factor in presidential politics, it seems. In any event, there are alternatives to Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney, who merely have the label of "presidential candidate" right now because they're out of office. Any number of Republicans can beat Obama in 2012. He's worth beating, and that should inspire good candidates for the job.

Posted by: Imperfections | April 1, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I mean seriously, could there be anyone that could destroy capitalism as we know it, quicker than Obama?

Romney will win the primary, and hands down will beat Obama. Why? Because independents and Senior Citizens don't want Obama. That's a fact. Also, the GOP is much more fired up than the liberal base, so voter turnout will be higher for the GOP.

Of course the 2012 elections are along way away, but I just don't see independents and Senior Citizens moving to Mr. Big Governments side. Let's keep in mind that this is a CENTER RIGHT country, which means, smaller government, lower taxes and DON'T MANDATE me to buy anything.

Romney 2012!!

Posted by: Magox | April 1, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Most Republicans believe the path to victory against Obama in 2012 is to run a chief executive with strong outsider credentials and a long resume of accomplishments

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longhand for "Mitt Romney," who won't win for numerous reasons, none of which we need to repeat.

*cough*phony*cough*

Posted by: Noacoler | March 31, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I think he should just keep his day job and think forward to 2016. I was pretty upset with the increase of troops to Afghanistan and still am, but as it stands right now, Pres Obama has my vote back for another term.

Posted by: jws2346 | March 31, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Neither Thune, nor any other Republican, will beat Obama in 2012, not with all the money in the world. The bloom on Obama's rose may not be as bright as it was a year ago, but there are still legions of people and powerful institutions (the press being the most obvious example) who simply won't allow their messiah to fail. There is no Republican Obama that can compete with the real thing. The Republicans should save their money and save the embarassment, and just not challenge Obama in 2012. It's gonna be just as hopeless as it would have been to try and beat JFK in 1964.

Posted by: mbcnewspaper | March 31, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

suzyccup -- doesn't your shift at Voyeur start soon? There are young republicans lining up to watch you engage in simulated lesbian sex acts.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 31, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

John Whom? Let's Talk About the Apparent Big Oil Entrainment of Barack Obama.

OBAMA OKAYS DRILLING JUST 50 MILES OFFSHORE FROM EAST COAST AND GULF BEACHES.

I can see it now:

It's the height of the 2012 presidential campaign. President Obama, his coffers overflowing with a new infusion of oil money, is fighting for his political life, trying to retain his party's razor-thin majority in Congress. (The 2010 elections saw major GOP gains.)

And then comes the news flash: An off-shore drilling rig suffers a pipeline break, and a giant oil slick washes up on the East Coast's family beaches, from North Jersey to the North Carolina coast and all points in between. The thick, oozing oil results in a massive fish and bird kill; clogs inlets and storm sewer outlets; ruins beaches; and destroys a multimillion-dollar tourist economy.

The New York Post publishes a cartoon depicting President Obama as an oil-soaked East Coast shore bird, unable to fly, his "wings" fouled with a thick coat of oil.

The Obama camp calls it racist. Environmentalists get it.

An investigation can't rule out sabotage, but administration officials also float the idea that the pipeline may have been constructed with cheap, inferior bolts and nuts imported from China.

President Obama promptly announces the formation of a commission intended to impose strict new government regulations on the quality of Chinese fasteners.

GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney wins the presidential election in a landslide -- a Republican tidal wave that the pundits attribute to Obama's decision to open the East and Gulf Coasts to offshore drilling.

Sarah Palin is spotted trying to hide a telling smirk; her "drill, baby, drill!" strategy has yielded what some might call unintended consequences.

***

== Has President Obama Been Targeted for Silent Microwave Entrainment? ==

This is not a joke. Please read the "comments" section of the following article by a mainstream journalist who has exposed the U.S. government's covert cell tower- based domestic microwave "directed energy weapon" attack system -- being used to assault "targeted" U.S. citizens with damaging, debilitating microwaves and other radio frequencies:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "U.S. Silently..." and "Gestapo USA").

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 31, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

America is stuck. Its theory of exceptionalism has served it well and served it terribly. America is stuck on the cusp of its ambivalence. We can't vote to change that.

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Well good bad or both, our exceptionalism has become too expensive and it's gotten us into a pair of messes that're going to be hard to get out of.

I think a lot of the rage we're seeing on the right in addition to the numero uno racial factor stems from the slow recognition that our exceptional position in the world is ending, has ended.  We're like the Soviet Union in the Cold War, capable of destroying but not of conquering.  We weathered the Japanese decade and came out with our arrogance intact but the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan were grim ones and our beholdenitude to the Chinese explains a lot more about teabagger redfaceness than does the fact of running a deficit.

It's over though.  We're big and we're strong and we can nuke anyone's azs but we're not going to make war on Iran and more and more we're going to have to ask sweetly where before we demanded and we're going to have to learn to handle the answer being no.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 31, 2010 2:12 AM | Report abuse

And this guy Chris C., fathered a child? Lord save us.

Posted by: frluke | March 30, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I could see Thune running, but really more to get himself in the pole position for 2016. The Republicans often like to give the nomination to the runner up of the previous campaign. Hence, McCain in 2008 and possibly Romney in 2012.

If Romney does take it (not a sure thing, because, as Gail Collins once pointed out, the more people get to know him, the less they like him), I suspect he'll ask Jindal to be his running mate: Shore up his social conservative bona fides and show everyone that the Republicans have "people of color" too.

By the way, 37, didn't you promise Chris you'd stop with the repeat posts?

Posted by: Bondosan | March 30, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

IS the democratic party MATURE ENOUGH to handle having a black as President ???


Seriously folks.


This question has come up time and time again over the past two years - from the false charges of racism against Bill Clinton in South Carolina - to the false charges against Gerry Ferraro -


This is the democrats we are talking about.


IF the democrats are going to SCREAM "RACIST" EVERYTIME OBAMA GETS HIMSELF INTO POLTICAL TROUBLE - or over legitimate policy differences - THEN IT IS THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO HAVE A BLACK AS PRESIDENT.


hhhmmmm


Think about it - is it actually the democratic party who is NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT ???


THE OUTBURST LAST WEEK WAS DISGRACEFUL - IF OBAMA HAD ANY PERSONAL HONOR HE WOULD RESIGN - IT FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM AGAINST AN ENTIRE GROUP OF PEOPLE IS CERTAINLY GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT.


.


.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 30, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

You're stretching, Joe. Allen was mentioned solely in the context of a gaffe. If that's your definition of carrying water for the Republican party, you need a new dictionary.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 30, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Thune is like something out of Area 51.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/30/us/AP-US-Multiple-Shootings-DC.html?_r=1

America has problems.
Nostagia is never a solution.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 30, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Paul Ryan.. WI
the only politician in america
willing to say the word...
Deficit.

Thune? is that from a science fiction
novel?

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 30, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Right now, I'd vote for even a ham sandwich to sit in the Oval Office instead of Obama, so YES, please RUN in 2012, Senator Thune.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | March 30, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

hey fireball, how does it feel to have to keep your racial feelings to yourself? Remember when you could express them and still be regarded as a gentleman?

Must really suck to be a "conservative" in the age of "PC," huh?

Still get invited to Xmas dinner? Didn't think so.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but women's college basketball is a joke. A 40 point win for UConn in a 1 v 3 matchup.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 30, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

On a serious note,

Serbia, welcome back.
You did the right thing,
simply by saying you did wrong.

I'll bet the Serbian small n nationalists are enraged, of course they are. Someone is ranting about bowing and scraping.

America is stuck. Its theory of exceptionalism has served it well and served it terribly. America is stuck on the cusp of its ambivalence. We can't vote to change that.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 30, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

If he would run against Obama, he must be a racist.

Posted by: fireball72 | March 30, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"37thand0Street is the second picture"

Nah, that does not look like a Young Eagle.

Republican Young Eagles have lots of money and a home based edgication too.

JakeD? Lookit, it is possible? Anyone else want to prove a negative? Anyone else?

Meanwhile, some of these, aw hell armpeg'll 'dmit't...someone here's got a pretty mouth.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 30, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The chances look very good to me for November.

==

then take your place alongside JakeD

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's like Senator Landrieu said, just because John McCain doesn't know about it, doesn't mean it's a secret deal. If SCC doesn't feel like paying attention to what's going on and just wants to parrot Limbaugh, that doesn't make it backroom deals.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 30, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Chris, you have got to be kidding.
Thune?
He has as much oomph as a cardboard box - and the same with his dull witted brain.
This guy is best kept in the senate where he can stay until he's old and withered and frankly, no one will notice.
Thune has a much presidential timbre and Palin! and the (lack) of brains to match!

Posted by: vwcat | March 30, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

And that's after a solid 15 months of attacks, lies, filthy Republican obstructionism, and paranoid fury in the news.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Work sucks, but,
lets just see here...
news...nope...good nothing happened.

No wait, here is something,

"Seriously gotta wonder about any guy who could get an erection with that woman grunting beneath him."

This is UNFAIR. First the guy is not aware of who is in the room, let alone noise.

Second, sex life of is off topic. Oh wait, Thune is a Republican and a *social conservative*.

So sorry, carry on,
As you were.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 30, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

BTW, did Fix ever post the recent poll conducted by his employer, the Washington Post, that shows BHO at 53%? How did that cherry not get picked?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/28/AR2010032804094.html?hpid=topnews

Research 2000 has BHO at 56. It's all good.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Brigadier General Hutaree was overheard saying, "Yesterday, I couldn't spell 'General.' Now I is one."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 8:39 PM


Did obama learn the difference between "corpsman" and "corpse man" yet?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 30, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

but the chances of your sorry and sick band of thieves ever getting back into power is a lot more remote than it was two weeks ago and you know it.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:38 PM


The chances look very good to me for November. That's not that remote. I can wait.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Nancy won't get her due until the haters die off and some real historian (not a D. Kearns mythologist) writes a book about her twenty years from now.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 8:33 PM


Yeah, all the Botox will have turned her into stone by then.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 30, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Brigadier General Hutaree was overheard saying, "Yesterday, I couldn't spell 'General.' Now I is one."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

No, Sarah Palin is the witch.

Nancy Pelosi is a political sorceress of formidable power and you know it. Call it "backroom dealing" if it makes you feel any better but the chances of your sorry and sick band of thieves ever getting back into power is a lot more remote than it was two weeks ago and you know it.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Whipping the votes into line for HCR was a stunning achievement that no number of dumbazz botox cracks could ever touch.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:28 PM

Backroom deals are not exactly stunning. She's a witch.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 30, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Nancy won't get her due until the haters die off and some real historian (not a D. Kearns mythologist) writes a book about her twenty years from now. Incredible performance against mad forces.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

His face is orange. He got too much exposure.


Riddle me this: what must you do to get above Captain level among the Hutaree baggers? Steal 54 hub caps? Throw 50 rocks off a highway overpass? Draw 43 n-word signs for bagger events?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

You can make all the idiot jokes you want about Pelosi, she's now the most powerful woman in American political history. Whipping the votes into line for HCR was a stunning achievement that no number of dumbazz botox cracks could ever touch.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Thune won't be running for President in 2012. He's trying to get exposure for the VP position.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 30, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Jesus, what a sinister and evil-looking character -- someone call an exorcist!!

Posted by: drindl | March 30, 2010 3:47 PM


The exorcist is too busy working on Nancy Pelosi. She takes quite a while.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 30, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

and one of them has a mullet.

(*guffaw*)

We now know for certain that Jesus isn't around, he would have had to repudiate any association with these lo0ns

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't look like any of them have a strong committed relationship with soap.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The Captain and his troops had better not drop any soap. Just sayin'.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey dchapman I thought you wingers liked having troops in Muslim countries. Oh, wait, you were hoping for children aflame and fingernail-pulling, weren't you.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

"Just think about....

[Unhinged junk omitted]

Posted by: dchapman | March 30, 2010 8:03 PM"
___________

Shortened it up a bit for you. All the best.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

They'd better hope the Aryan Brotherhood takes them under wing when they're Inside, otherwise they're gonna have some major challenges.

Heh heh heh.

I could see the AB drawing a line against people as nutty as that, maybe even arranging their housing with a load if sex offenders of the colored persuasion.

Teabaggers in prison. HELL yeah.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Just think about how bad this really is. We are talking about how hard it is going to be to vote Obama out of office and look at his record. We are still in Iraq. We are still in Afganistan. We are still in Gitmo. He got welfare-healthcare passed but insurance prems will not be controlled as promised, and the pharms got everything they wanted,so big business won again. We have moved from about 50% socialist to 75%. He put communists on his staff in the White House. He has failed in international relations. Wow. It sure seems like it will be an easy re-election.

Posted by: dchapman | March 30, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Now there's this "Captain" Hutaree. But is there a General Hutaree or Admiral Hutaree. What's the chain of command for these lunatics? If they're so "antigovernment" (that's their racist proxy issue, isn't it?) why are almost all of these baggers on government assistance? Riddle me that.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Strengths: a tall white Republican who knocked off Tom Daschle.

Weaknesses: a tall white Republican who knocked off Tom Daschle.

Posted by: jade_7243 | March 30, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Seriously gotta wonder about any guy who could get an erection with that woman grunting beneath him. Brrrr.

Wonder what kinda rodent venom that kid's been eating.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

That link to the photos of the baggers was scary. Wow. The face of unhinged racist tea bag pathology.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Onward Christian Soldiers:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/04/20/us/20militia-cnd/20militia-cnd-popup.jpg

37thand0Street is the second picture

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Palin, Version 2010--Definitively defective:

"Sarah Palin, GOP, encouraging Tea Party violence? The recent Democratic victory on health care reform has unleashed a wave of threats and violence coming from members of the Tea Party movement. While some Republicans have attempted to distance themselves from the threats and violence, their sincerity is in question.

Sarah Palin's political action committee singled out 20 Democratic members of Congress by using rifle scopes to "target" them on a map. After the historical health care reform vote Palin told her followers On Twitter "Don't Retreat, instead - RELOAD!""
___________

Any chance Gregory Charles Royal can be persuaded to give it another try? Calm her down a bit maybe?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama won as a Senator, but he was hardly a Senator at all with really only three years under his belt before starting full campaign mode. One thing he had over Clinton was the fact that he didn't vote for the Iraq war.

So one of the greatest candidates in history with only three years of Senatorial experience under his belt doesn't really show that Senators can win.

Although, looking back, it seems Chris was really implying that Obama is more of an exception that proves the rule. But I already typed this out, so I'll hit send.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 30, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

noa, you might be right but I kinda think there's no adult supervision at all...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

But when the editor saw the love in his eyes he might hesitate

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

@ noa: Re Pawlenty...

Any editor worth his salt would have thrown the red flag on the Pawlenty cheerleading here a LONG time ago.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

d, the baggers say they are going to boycott the Census! What madness.

==

and since this will lead to legal inquiries a certain percentage of said inquiries will lead to shooting, then the legal inquiries will be accompanied by cops.

Time to go long on popcorn futures.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

d, the baggers say they are going to boycott the Census! What madness.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Six (6) checks. Six!

Free quarter-page ad for GOPer John Thune. (From Post business dept.: Please see me) Check.

Free link to the web page for John Thune's PAC. Check.

Gratuitous plugs for Pawlenty, Palin, other GOP non-entities. Check.

Gratuitous George (Macaca) Allen mention (who mentions him anymore?). Check.

Free link to the Republican Policy Committee web page. Check.

No positive mention of the 44th President of the United States. Check.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 30, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The thing is Mark, if extremists like armpeg actually vote? They are so negative to the idea of government itself you have to wonder. The militia people, arming themselves to overthrow the government, do they vote?

I think that the R party is so in thrall to the baggers that they are going to campaign in a way likely to turn off anyone vaguely moderate.

Posted by: drindl | March 30, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I would find it very hard to nominate let alone to elect a standing senator. They just do not carry enough executive expierence, plus you could lose a seat. We need a conservative governor, I like Pawlenty, but if Romney could show some bigger balls on a consistent basis, he would be a great choice. The best speech that he gave during the 08 campaign was his Primary Concession Speech. He would have to deliver like that day in and day out, three to four times a day.

Posted by: jeckelmyhyde | March 30, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

bsimon mentioned it earlier. Thune will not have a resume to win on if he steers right and is a naysayer for two more years. Corker and Graham might have resumes in 2012 but the fast [d]evolving Rs may not want to forgive any R who actually collaborated on legislation.

Who will be the most credible Rs who can both pass muster with, say, Armpeg, and win moderate votes?
Thune, Pawlenty, or Romney? It just seems like such a stretch. KOZ and Leapin will be OK with any R in the end, so they would likely not even be alienated by Corker. But keeping Armpeg's vote may mean trading off any shot at convincing moderates.


Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 30, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

@geopolitics: yeah he's got some sort of crush on Pawlenty, whom nobody else cares about or pays any attention to. The guy whose notion of small government extends to the citizens of his state drowning in a bridge collapse, thereby saving the taxpayers a little money. The guy who thinks he can get through a year of campaigning looking like he can't quite wake up.

And who tracks Sarah Palin as though her unhinged statements and her endorsements mean anything.

And you really need to wonder what sort of person would want to see Republicans in any position of power after all the damage they did in the past 30 years.

But then, he is from Texas.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 30, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza is like a one-man band trying to find a sane repug to run for president... I've said it before, until WaPo gives us a Democratic political Blog person, we are stuck with this pointy toed boot lover.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | March 30, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Chris would you please find a way to block this methhead? His posts are just taking up space and adding nothing

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

IS the democratic party MATURE ENOUGH to handle having a black as President ???


Seriously folks.


This question has come up time and time again over the past two years - from the false charges of racism against Bill Clinton in South Carolina - to the false charges against Gerry Ferraro -


This is the democrats we are talking about.


IF the democrats are going to SCREAM "RACIST" EVERYTIME OBAMA GETS HIMSELF INTO POLTICAL TROUBLE - or over legitimate policy differences - THEN IT IS THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO HAVE A BLACK AS PRESIDENT.


hhhmmmm


Think about it - is it actually the democratic party who is NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT ???


THE OUTBURST LAST WEEK WAS DISGRACEFUL - IF OBAMA HAD ANY PERSONAL HONOR HE WOULD RESIGN - IT FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM AGAINST AN ENTIRE GROUP OF PEOPLE IS CERTAINLY GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 30, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Note how quickly the Thune discussion fizzled out.

There's a lesson there, CC.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, this link is clearer:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/04/20/us/20militia-cnd/20militia-cnd-popup.jpg

I think that's Sandy on the upper right

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Take a real good luck at Christ's loyal followers:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/04/20/us/20militia-cnd/20militia-cnd-articleInline.jpg

(*guffaw*)

I bet they're "pro-life."

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Sandy5274 is probably a Hutaree radok.

Or she could be this gal Kelly, going all anti-government just to conceal the true intent of the Hutaree, to become more Chirst-like.

"The wife of one of the defendants described Hutaree as a small group of patriotic, Christian buddies engaged in survival training. "It consisted of a dad and two of his sons and I think just a couple other close friends of theirs," said Kelly Sickles, whose husband, Kristopher, was among those charged. "It was supposed to be a Christian group. Christ-like, right, so why would you think that's something wrong with that?"

"Heidi Beirich, research director of the Southern Poverty Law Center, said her group learned about Hutaree last year while compiling its annual list of "patriot" groups.

Their Christian apocalyptic vision is quite different from most other militias, Beirich said. "Most don't put their religion first -- they're more concerned with out-of-control federal government." NYT

Christ-like...oooohhhkay.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Chris

Why would the Republicans want to hand Obama some symbolism when there is no substance ??? What is in it for them.

Obama's problem is clearly he wants a far-left wing solution everytime - and it does not work in terms of getting people together.

I'm going to say it again: When Obama campaigned around the country FOR TWO YEARS TELLING EVERYONE THAT HE WAS GOING TO BRING BIPARTISANSHIP TO WASHINGTON, THAT MEANT CENTRIST SOLUTIONS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 30, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

looks like another drudge link today.

We get all kinds of junk here but it's rarely as idiotic as sandy5724.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Sandy5274,

It's nice to see that you don't bother dirtying up your little diatribe with any facts or anything resembling truth. Well done.

Posted by: RGee1 | March 30, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Sarkozy clearly hate each other - however they both are so pathetic they both still want the other to stroke their egos.


I can just see Obama saying to himself "Who is this little man dancing around?"

Obama would be saying that to himself in his head, in a french accent.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 30, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

And so,do let me be clear here about the coming Elections 2010 and 2012,and how badly hated & distrusted Little Marxist Dictator,Kenya Kid Barack Hussein Obama and
the likes of Socialist Extrmeists Democrats
Speaker Nancy Pelosi,Slippery Steny Hoyer,
Black Panteher Wanabe Clyburn,Dingy Harry
the Horrid Reid,Dirty Dick Durbin,Barney
Frank Chris Dodd,and all the Team Obama Band of Tax Cheaters,Incompetents,Liars and
Fools like Tiny Tim Turbo Tax,Tax Cheater
Sec of HHS Kathleen Sloberus,Eric Terrorist
Lover Holder,Dopey Janet Napolitano,Chicago
Thugs David Axelrod,and Rahm Emanuel and the Obama Version of Baghdad Bob Gibbs the
Famous Fibber have all already become here.

And,all of which should scare even the most
out of touch with reality Liberal and all
The Socialist Junior Commie Democrats out
of their dimwit minds and place them into
total fear and terror that Obama & Company
clearly will cost the Democrats loss of
Control of Congress and the White House in
2010 and 2012!..So,tell me again how with
Comrade Leader Barack Obama having a huge
strongly disapproval rating of 43% and a
stinking 30% strongly approval rating as to
how one Loser in Chief Head Liar Junior Commie Barack Hussein Obama win be re-elected and the dummyrat Democrats keep
control of Congress and the White House?..
Oh,I almost forgot to mention the 67% or higher Disapproval Rating for Comrade SF
Madwoman Madame Speaker Nutty Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: sandy5274 | March 30, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

We learn he is a real Christian so he is
not among witches, but has the charisma of an undertaker. This thread is really taking off

Posted by: shrink2 | March 30, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

another postive for a republican- he's a christian and no one doubts it, unlike Romney

Posted by: newagent99 | March 30, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Just Like Obama got in,
promise fiscal responsibility,
and tax cuts,
and money for everyone,
and ending the wars,
and working with the other side
to come to consensus american
solutions.
then... forget everything you promised.
worked for clinton, bush, obama.

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 30, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Strengths, not among witch is charisma. Thune, voted in high school as most likely to become an undertaker, or should have been at least.

Posted by: fizzy1 | March 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Strengths, not among with is charisma. Thune, voted in high school as most likely to become an undertaker, or should have been at least.

Posted by: fizzy1 | March 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I was for it before I was against it.

"Thune has been an outspoken opponent of the Troubled Asset Relief Program almost since its inception -- although he did vote for the bill"

There is your reason why he won't run in 2012.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 30, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that was terrible picture of Sen. Thune to choose. I'm sure there are ones where he looks a little, less... I don't know, evil?

Thune is a smart guy. I've seen him on "MTP," "On the Record" and on the senate floor and I've come away thinking he has 2012 potential written all over him every time.

It looks to me like Pawlenty will run, but he would lose to Mitch Daniels or Thune in the primaries. Thune has potential, we'll just have to see if it plays out.

Posted by: Kiser10 | March 30, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

co-sign, shrink.

Come on, Cillizza, stop fawning over these dullards. A social conservative? You really think the electorate is going to turn out over abortion and gay marriage? Going back to the 18th century? Pillories and stocks? Where do you find these nonentities and why should anyone with a job to lose give a crap if they have presidential aspirations?

So he's a congenial fellow. Who gives a crap. Only cretins like JakeD are going to base their votes on abortion.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 30, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Whomever is the GOP candidate in 2012 will have to solve the same problem that McCain failed to solve. How do you enthuse the base enough to get elected without alienating the moderates that you end up unelectable in the general?

If the name of the game in 2012 is establishing conservative bona-fides while maintaining what the Fix calls 'mainstream' appeal, the frontrunners are probably Thune & Pawlenty. Of those two Pawlenty appears to have done far more work to begin establishing a national network of contacts. So much so that MPR just did a story on Pawlenty being out of state for more than 30% of the legislative session so far this year.

Pawlenty is also following Palin's lead & will have a 'facebook town hall' tomorrow night, during which he will allegedly respond to unedited questions over live streaming video. He's also promised a 'major announcement' which is likely an overly grandiose sales pitch.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 30, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Please feel free to move along folks,
there is nothing going on here.
Nothing to see, move along, please.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 30, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Jesus, what a sinister and evil-looking character -- someone call an exorcist!!

Posted by: drindl | March 30, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

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