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Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-Minn.) will not seek a third term. (AP Photo/The Star Tribune, Elizabeth Flores)

Update, 3:15 p.m.: Gov. Tim Pawlenty formalized his decision not to seek a third term in 2010 moments ago even as he acknowledged: "I still have a lot of ideas and energy left."

In response to suggestions from Democrats that he was leaving because he could not win a third term, Pawlenty insisted he "could have and would have" won in 2010, rattling off a series of recent polls showing his electoral strength.

Pawlenty did not directly address questions about whether he would run for president in 2012 but did note that he was "not ruling anything in or out" in regards a national bid.

Original Post

Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) will not seek a third term in 2010, clearing the way for an expected bid for the 2012 presidential nomination, according to sources close to the governor.

Pawlenty will announce that he is not running later this afternoon in a conference call with reporters scheduled for 3 p.m. ET.

The decision comes after months of debate within Pawlenty's inner circle about his next step politically.

Given the difficult state of the economy -- both nationally and in Minnesota -- as well as Pawlenty's near-death political experience in 2006 when he won 51 percent to 47 percent in a three-way race, running for a third term was a precarious endeavor.

And, a loss in a 2010 bid would almost certainly disqualify Pawlenty as a potential presidential candidate in 2012 a la former Virginia senator George Allen in 2006/2008.

We've written before that if Pawlenty had interest in national office, which he clearly does, that it would be crazy for him to seek a third term in 2010.

Pawlenty's decision to forgo a third term to focus on his national ambitions -- he won't say that's why he is retiring, but it is the most likely -- has a few immediate implications.

First, Pawlenty is under far less pressure to certify Democrat Al Franken as the winner in the Minnesota Senate race if the state Supreme Court rejects the election appeal of former Sen. Norm Coleman.

As we wrote a few weeks back:

Assuming he doesn't plan to run for reelection, Pawlenty can refuse to sign the election certificate for Franken -- if Coleman wants to take the legal fight federal -- and continue to raise his national profile by arguing (in his low key, inoffensive way) on a variety of televisions outlets that he is simply trying to ensure no legitimate votes are left uncounted, a GREAT issue for him in the eyes of GOP base voters.

So, if Coleman decides he wants to take the case to the federal level if he were to lose at the state court level, there's now a significantly higher likelihood that Pawlenty would be receptive to such a move.

Second, expect Pawlenty over the next few months to begin doing the sorts of things -- making a "big ideas" speech or two, traveling to Iowa and New Hampshire, recruiting staff, starting a federal PAC -- that people looking at running for president must do.

Pawlenty, unlike some of the men (and woman) he may well run against in 2012 for the GOP nomination, has almost no political operation to speak of -- a weakness that he must move to quickly remedy in the coming months.

While he does keep up with a handful of Washington-based operatives he does not have the sort of formalized team that someone like former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (R) kept in place after his unsuccessful 2008 presidential run.

For Pawlenty to begin moving up in the so-called "Invisible Primary," he needs to quickly ramp up his national team and begin traveling the country in support of his candidacy.

What he does have going for him is a record of electoral success in a swing Midwestern state, a natural populist streak that is sorely lacking among the the current Republican leaders and a strongly conservative record sure to appeal to the party base. Make sure to read our "case for" and "case against" Pawlenty as a potential veep pick for McCain in 2008.

We'll update this post following Pawlenty's press conference this afternoon.

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 2, 2009; 11:57 AM ET
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I guess he had better contact Booze Allen and join all of the other washed up republcans as he will not even win his home state in a primary election.

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | June 3, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Chris you got it wrong in your story in the Washington Post yesterday afternoon about the percentage of the vote that Gov. Tim Pawlenty got in his reelection in 2006. Pawlenty did not come close to getting 51% of the vote. He received a vote of 46.7% to 45.7%, in a four-way race between himself, DFL candidate Mike Hatch,the Independence Party candidate, Peter Hutchinson, and the Green Party candidate, Ken Pentel.

He is not a popular man and will fail to generate much support if he runs for President. Obama would CRUSH him in Minnesota in a general election...

Posted by: genemartinez | June 3, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

So now there should be no further obstacle to certifying Al Franken for his Senate seat. Unless this guy is just one more small, narrow-minded, "my way or the highway" Republican. We've had our belly full of those creeps since 1980 and even earlier, I'll tell you. And who could forget Tricky Dick? Frightened little men with a big mouth. Liddy Dole, though, is one GOPer I actually could have voted for. But Twig's team saw that she would have taken her party down a more moderate road, and they fired all torpedoes at her in 2000. Bit of a pity, really. So now NEWT is "in the spotlight?" Gingrich, of the "contract on America" fame? He of "she's a [d]itch" (referring to Mrs. Bill clinton)? Kinda shows you, doesn't it? Let's see, what does "Pawlenty" rhyme with? Coleman we can manage--camp stoves and ashes. I keep hoping we can find a way to rid the whole country of this scourge. If we don't, we will one day look back and sorely regret it. As if we don't already. Those who would decry the approach of the other side of the aisle want to say they grow weary of having "their" money snatched from their fist. But take the moral plank from the GOP and ask yourself: do I want bad money in my palm? Do I want my false prosperity to come from criminal, ill-gotten, environmentally unsound, redistributional [upward], or borrowed growth? It's a fair question. The GOP can't have it both ways.

Posted by: MouthSore | June 3, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: janeseven | June 3, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

if he's got his eye on 2012, he'd better spend his free time looking for himself a party. that collection of whackaloons otherwise known as the g.o.p. isn't gonna elect anybody in the forseeable future.

Posted by: jimfilyaw | June 3, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

OT: this is the COOLEST STORY IN MONTHS:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/02/new.york.robber.mercy/index.html

Convenience store guy gets held up, turns tables on crook, instead of calling the cops, gives him some money, has him recite the Shahadah, gives him a Muslim name, lets him go.

This guy is an overlooked national treasure.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 3, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Nope.

They will soon.

Independent Party will vote for no one with these dirty words near their resume.

War chest = loansharking bank owned treasonist thief today.

Family ties to a torch of power is also a real unpopular ideal in the new round, it equals corruption.

==

You just wait!! You'll see!! Just wait!!

WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

You're crazy.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 3, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

After this, it is already happening.
People want to know what is next.

Barak Obama and us, we, who made him,
we have to be worried about what comes next.

Is it us? Do WE know what to do next?

We have all the power, the economy is about to burst forward with printed money, perhaps for the last time.

The Sustainable part is the hard part.

Laughing at the losers is too easy.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Farlington I don't get you re: the flyover remark. Not how I think. Looks to me like Pawlenty is cutting his losses in exchange for a long shot, quitting so he doesn't get fired, been there myself not all that long ago.

I just think it's a very long shot. Sure, he could get the nomination, Romney will fizzle early, but he's a colorless and uninspiring candidate and it's the same shopping list we rejected last November.

No wonder the goopers are hoping the economy tanks and NYC gets hit again.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 3, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Vulnerable? To what? What challenge do Democrats face? The GOP is Newtered, led by three bedwetting Pillsbury Dough Boys who don't know how to appeal to anyone with a high school diploma, unable to abandon their crappy failed ideas, unable to admit those ideas don't work, still playing to the lowest orders, still biting out racist code words, and still thinking that in their heart of hearts every American outside NYC and SF is as stupid and bigoted as they are.

Obama is siphoning off their moderates into important appointments, Obama opened a manhole cover with the Sotomayor nomination and Republicans leapt into the dark, they can't shut up, they can't tell the three fatties to shut up, they're hearkening back to Reagan for an esteem fix ...


.. it is SO over for the goopers. No wonder they're so effing mad.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

@chrisfox - He's still governor of Minnesota. Perhaps you failed to notice flyover country?

@Roofelstoon - Romney came in 2nd and he only served *1* term as governor. Ditto for Edwards as a *1* term senator. OF course, the same could be said of POTUS as well.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 2, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Looks like a Republican bribe to me..."Mr. Tim Pawlenty, we'll give you the 2012 Republican Nomination if you will just move out of Coleman's way so he can continue the Senate election stalemate". There oughta' be a law. Reminds me, I thought that Republicans were against the waging of unnecessary law suits that waste the taxpayers' money. So much for core values!

Posted by: stinpol | June 2, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are no longer relevant.
The careers of Republican "leaders" ended a few months ago.

New leaders of people who are not criminals, leaders who themselves are not contaminated by the corrupt regime will emerge.

They will not deify Ronald Reagan. They
will not attack "liberals".

They will not be left, nor right, neither socialist, nor capitalist.

Barak Obama and the ascendant Democrats are vulnerable.


Posted by: shrink2 | June 2, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

So what is it about this snooze of an article that attracted all the trolls? Pawlenty is a nobody, he's quitting his day job for the Nigeria scam, nothing to see here, but all the trolls are lined and like a troop of howler monkeys on the upper branches.

Eric Cantor? Mitt Romney? Hahahahahahahaha

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Actually the enmasse move to the Independent Party is to show a voter people power voice to remove the electoral college .

==

I actually laughed out loud.

Every AIP voter in the NATION would fit on a single row of bleachers at a high school.

You're delusional

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, this is pretty funny:

"By more than 2-1, those surveyed say Guantanamo shouldn't be closed. By more than 3-1, they oppose moving some of the accused terrorists housed there to prisons in their own states. . . ." (sagereader)

People seem happy enough to pack the prisons with Americans, the worst and most evil people on the planet (otherwise we wouldn't have more people in prison than any other country, right?) So what's the difference with a few Arabs thrown into the mix? They could even help out the local Black Muslims with Koran classes. Anyway, I think they'd be scared sh!tless of our domestic Aryan Nation, Crips, Bloods, Mara Salvatrucha and others. Those dudes can eat the Gitmo Arabs alive.

I know how to get the Gitmo prisoners into a U.S. prison. You find some small, economically challenged town, possibly in upstate New York where they have lots of experience with this sort of thing. You offer to build the town a brand spanking new supermax, with all the modern security equipment, that will create hundreds of construction jobs and greatly expand the support services business. Of course, since there are only about 80 prisoners in Gitmo and it would be a waste to have so much supermax room left over, it's expected that the supermax will eventually be filled up, thus ensuring a steady flow of cash to the town (you get the additional prisoners by ratcheting up the drug war, always a good source for prisoners.) I am 100% confident that any small, economically squeezed town will jump at the suggestion. For those who want to see the Gitmo terrorists properly punished, we will appoint Charles Graner of Abu Ghraib warden (as soon as he gets out of prison,) and Lynndie England as Chief of Security. I think this is an idea whose time has come.

Posted by: RichardKefalos | June 2, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

Obama would SMEAR this weenie in a general election.

Posted by: sequoiaqueneaux

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Actually the enmasse move to the Independent Party is to show a voter people power voice to remove the electoral college .

The Independent party intent is to place a Hill that will move to demand medical leave for the oval office seat for dual profiles of NPD sociopath, (a mental illness that will put Obama on infinite sick leave asap).
His Hitler complex wasn't diagnosed in the 1930's.

Posted by: dottydo | June 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Gawd, the Republican party is stupid...as a whole. Everytime any one of them opens his/her mouth and dumbs down their followers a few IQ points.

Their party is dying and they don't care.
Posted by: camera_eye_
>>>>>>>>>>>>

True , but Democrats are walking out in droves.

The UAW and car company left in the dust, along with the entire Jewish American vote, is moving to the Independent Party to express clearly the voice of the people's disgust with The Hill, and the oval offices.
No Confidence vote is mounting.

The refusal to say "no" on the bailouts and Porkulous, ( thereby breeching the Constitutional rights of the unborn to have taxation with representation), has been viewed as acts of Treason.

No one is welcome back to any seat.
Did you see them all take a 1/2 paycut?

Nope.

They will soon.

Independent Party will vote for no one with these dirty words near their resume.

War chest = loansharking bank owned treasonist thief today.

Family ties to a torch of power is also a real unpopular ideal in the new round, it equals corruption.

Independent party has become the voice of the people placing power, to pull the electoral college rug out from under them all.

Posted by: dottydo | June 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Car Company hires its chief executive!!! The best and brightest:

Brian Deese, a Yale Law School dropout who worked for the Obama campaign and during the transition was as he tells the paper, "the only full-time member of the auto task force."

Deese has "taken on a nearly unseen role in remaking the American automotive industry."

It is unprecedented that a role with such scope and influence be held by someone with so little experience of any kind, and none of it relevant.

Mr. Deese lacks any coursework in business or economics. He failed to graduate with his class at Yale Law School, and administration officials close to the matter indicated that it was Mr. Deese's unquestioning political loyalty that led to his appointment.

Again, the tipping point is near. Barack Obama's incompetence will be his downfall, sooner rather than later.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to closing the detention center for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and moving some of the detainees to prisons on U.S. soil, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.

By more than 2-1, those surveyed say Guantanamo shouldn't be closed. By more than 3-1, they oppose moving some of the accused terrorists housed there to prisons in their own states. . . .

In the survey, Americans were inclined to accept the argument by Cheney and former president George W. Bush that the detention center had made the United States safer. By 40%-18%, they said the prison [sic] had strengthened national security rather than weakened it.

Those who want the prison to remain open feel more strongly on the subject that those who want to close it. A 54% majority of those polled say the prison shouldn't be closed, and that they'll be upset if the administration moves forward to close it.

Barack Obama is on the wrong side of issues. His tipping point will come a lot sooner than commonly expected. So buck up for big changes, my Lefty friends.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

MoreAndBetterPolls asked:

Does anyone else think the following comment was "abuse"?
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I will not vote for anyone who has never served their country unless there is a good chance they are secret mooslimbs . This guy claims to be an evangelical nut case , when just one look will tell you he is a Joo.

Posted by: borntoraisehogs |
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Nah, borntoraisehogs is not bigoted, he seems to hate everybody equally. There's something to be said for that ...

Posted by: RichardKefalos | June 2, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"Strong Conservative": enough to doom any chances he has, unless he enlists the wild-eyed pistol wavers to take over the country for him. Then, of course, we won't have a democracy anymore, we'll have a facist dictatorship. Just what the Republicans are pushing for, since they have shown that they no longer believe in democracy, the rule of law, or the will of the people.

Posted by: Chagasman | June 2, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Gawd, the Republican party is stupid...as a whole. Everytime any one of them opens his/her mouth and dumbs down their followers a few IQ points.

Their party is dying and they don't care.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | June 2, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Gawd, the Republican party is stupid...as a whole. Everytime any one of them opens his/her mouth and dumbs down their followers a few IQ points.

Their party is dying and they don't care.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | June 2, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

As a close follower of Tim Pawlenty, he previously was my state rep and http://checksandbalances.com was the place he notified when he first decided whether or not he was going to seek the U.S. Senate or governorship in 2002.
I have played hockey against him and his self deprecation of not being all that good at the sport is deadon.
I expect he will play in the 2012 presidential stakes especially in Iowa, since it is one state away from Minnesota.
Since I have scribed for the Politico before I may be able to convince him to once again let me know when he is set to announce his future intentions. Shawn Towle

Posted by: ChecksandBalances | June 2, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

After failing to receive 50% in either statewide election, losing nearly 40 Republican legislative seats while he's been Governor, vetoing the medical marijuana bill supported by 65% of Minnesotans and now pledging to close hospitals and nursing homes to protect the top 5% from an income tax increase, it's clear Governor Pawlenty would not have been reelected. Republican legislators are cheering, because his policies have flipped the House to DFL control and shrunk a near majority for Senate Republicans to a veto-proof DFL majority. Pawlenty for President in 2012? Obama should be so lucky.

Posted by: trl618 | June 2, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Any idea how this might affect (presumably) Franken's Certificate of Election if the state Supreme Court rules in Franken's favour, but WITHOUT specifically addressing Pawlenty's role in this? Enquiring Fixistos WANT TO KNOW!

Posted by: sverigegrabb | June 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse


LOL!

Obama would SMEAR this weenie in a general election.

Posted by: sequoiaqueneaux | June 2, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

RichardKefalos- One of them was back in November!

Calling for the Big Three to go into Bankruptcy Protection THEN, to get Union Entitlements in line!

Fore-sight, Luck, or possibly:

QUALIFIED!

Where were you yesterday?

FYI:

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/01/text-of-romneys-speech-the-care-of-freedom/

Bon Appetit! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

thrh- LOL! :-D

Three of them?

I can name THREE just from Texas! Good ones!

Rep. John Carter, Senators Kay Bailey-Hutchison and John Cornyn!

Mas Politicos?

Mitt Romney, John McCain, Jindal, Jeb, Cantor,...

CAPITALISTS All!

Executives All!

Sooooooooo...

Cry me a river Libbies! :-(

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Saint wrote: "So far Mitt has produced at least 5 OUTSTANDING Speeches and/or Op-Eds that prove he is in that class by Himself (sic)."

At least his speechwriter is in a class by Himself, it seems. Wow, all of 5 speeches! That would make him a good president, according to the rightists, to continue the robbery and ripoff of Americans that the GOPulators are so good at. Any ol' port in a storm, eh, wingnuts? Actually, there is a way Romney could make Himself useful. If He could dig up the golden books the Mormons always wail and yammer about, we could melt them down and pay off some of the national debt. It would probably be the first time something good came from a religious tract. Change we can believe in!

Posted by: RichardKefalos | June 2, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: janeseven | June 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

another Republican rat abandons ship

Posted by: patriot76 | June 2, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think the following comment was "abuse"?
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I will not vote for anyone who has never served their country unless there is a good chance they are secret mooslimbs . This guy claims to be an evangelical nut case , when just one look will tell you he is a Joo.

Posted by: borntoraisehogs | June 2, 2009 5:33 PM
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Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | June 2, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like a governor who doesn't care if his state doesn't have bridges or U.S. Senators.

Can't wait to see him display that level of disregard for the citizenry on a national level!

Posted by: Buddydave | June 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"The RepubliCans with clues are hooking up with the National Council for a New America."

And what do the three of them plan to do when they get together? Whine about minorities? Clean their guns?

Posted by: thrh | June 2, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

his "inner circle"?

More like his "inner circle jerk"!

Another republotard LOSER!

What a shambles the GOP has become - when a no-count dope like this looks promising!

Posted by: Heerman532 | June 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If he couldn't win a 3rd term in Minnesota, what makes him worth our while in the other 49 states?

Posted by: Roofelstoon | June 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

No! Rule it out, please! We need leadership, not more appeasement to minorities. You definitely do not fit the bill!

Posted by: GordonShumway | June 2, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Unlike Obama, Pawlenty speaks well, clearly says what he means, and can do so without a teleprompter!"

jeezus, what hilarious dupes.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"CAIRO – Al-Qaida's deputy leader on Tuesday criticized President Barack Obama's upcoming speech to the Islamic world in Cairo, saying it will not change the "bloody messages" the U.S. military is sending Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. Al-Qaida has repeatedly lashed out at Obama since he was elected, a move some analysts believe indicates the terrorist organization is worried he will be effective in improving the U.S. image in the Muslim world."

obama has al=queda worried, unlike GWB, who was the best recruiting tool they ever had.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I will not vote for anyone who has never served their country unless there is a good chance they are secret mooslimbs . This guy claims to be an evangelical nut case , when just one look will tell you he is a Joo .

Posted by: borntoraisehogs | June 2, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Tim Pawlenty > Barack Obama

Posted by: Phil6 | June 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Folks, at the rate O'Bomba-Nation is going;

HE, won't be around in 2012!

The RepubliCans with clues are hooking up with the National Council for a New America.

I suspect this time they are ready to come out as a Team. Pawlenty needs to find what his place is. The Executive is going to obviously be Mitt Romney!

So far Mitt has produced at least 5 OUTSTANDING Speeches and/or Op-Eds that prove he is in that class by Himself.

There are Hundreds of positions affiliated with the Executive Branch. More than inside connections should be involved in filling them.

Take one quick look at the collective damage occurring from a group of incompetent Congressional Clowns getting the Jobs has done to our Country;

and my Point is obvious!

Now, the question for the RINO Pawlenty:

What can you do?

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 2, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Obama, Pawlenty speaks well, clearly says what he means, and can do so without a teleprompter! Pawlenty's been a voice of reason in the demented DFL state of Minnesota, and many would be thrilled if he refused to sign off on the papers for the buffoon Franken.

Posted by: judithod | June 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty has been a do-nothing governor for eight years. And anything he has done has been on the cheap: Have you driven down State Highway 100 through St Louis Park? Do you wonder why the car next to you is only 6 inches away at 60 MPH? Pawlenty refused to redesign the ancient overpasses because it's cheaper to squeeze three lanes into the space for two than actually widen the bridges.

Our roads and bridges are crumbling. Our education system is sinking. Our healthcare is shrinking. The budget isn't balanced and Pawlenty, rather than increasing state revenue, will cut services further.

The mood of the state and the nation have changed. We want a leader who will solve the problems we face, not one who sits around being a cheapskate for eight years.

Pawlenty will NEVER be a serious contender for the White House. By the time we get to the end of Obama's second term, the republican party and the nation will have passed by this washed up idiot.

DAStubbs
Minneapolis

Posted by: dastubbs | June 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

RichardKefalos:

"The craphead Pawlenty vetoed the medicinal marijuana bill that had been passed by both houses in his state. Just another GOPulator who puts party ideology before the will of the people in his state.

Flush ... to the septic tank. Bye bye, right-wingnut sh!thead."

YOUR SCATOLOGICAL STUPIDITY IS SCARY,EVEN FOR A LEFTY. BUT THEN AGAIN, MAYBE YOU'RE JUST AT THE AGE YOUR WRITING INDICATES -- 12 or 13.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

At the rate the GOP is going, the Republican Party will probably disband before 2012.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | June 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

sacrificial lamb..
.. unless HRC runs against him ..

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Car Company hires its chief executive!!! The best and brightest:

Brian Deese, a Yale Law School dropout who worked for the Obama campaign and during the transition was as he tells the paper, "the only full-time member of the auto task force."

Deese has "taken on a nearly unseen role in remaking the American automotive industry."

It is unprecedented that a role with such scope and influence be held by someone with so little experience of any kind, and none of it relevant.

Mr. Deese lacks any coursework in business or economics. He failed to graduate with his class at Yale Law School, and administration officials close to the matter indicated that it was Mr. Deese's unquestioning political loyalty that led to his appointment.

Again, the tipping point is near. Barack Obama's incompetence will be his downfall, sooner rather than later.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The craphead Pawlenty vetoed the medicinal marijuana bill that had been passed by both houses in his state. Just another GOPulator who puts party ideology before the will of the people in his state.

Flush ... to the septic tank. Bye bye, right-wingnut sh!thead.

Posted by: RichardKefalos | June 2, 2009 3:28 PM
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Very well said. And true. But that's not the only reason. He is, like most of the other GOPers, plain stupid. Let him run....you know; a good effort wasted

Posted by: mackiejw | June 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Geithner said that there was “no risk” of the U.S. monetizing its debt, a response to a question about whether the government would seek to finance the national debt by expanding the money supply and thus trigger a rise in inflation.

Ha ha ha. The Obama team passes out information that only a Loosey Goosey Leftist would believe!!! The fantasy and self-deception grows daily.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

seawolfR writes
"given Barry's break-neck speed of turning this country into a Marxist State and the fact that China will own GM by 2012. I'd say Gov. Tim Pawlenty has a real good shot."

China bought Hummer yesterday. It wouldn't be the end of the world if they bought GM. We'd get a bunch of our debt back, and the taxpayers would get off the hook for propping up the least innovative, most bloated car company. Sounds like a win-win.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

given Barry's break-neck speed of turning this country into a Marxist State and the fact that China will own GM by 2012. I'd say Gov. Tim Pawlenty has a real good shot.

Posted by: seawolfR | June 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

As a Minnesotan, I'm ecstatic that Timmy won't be running again. He's been nothing but a conservative partisan hack in the back pocket of the GOP. He wants to be a big fish, but in reality, he's more of a dead fish who's done nothing good for Minnesota.

Posted by: rurik | June 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to closing the detention center for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and moving some of the detainees to prisons on U.S. soil, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.

By more than 2-1, those surveyed say Guantanamo shouldn't be closed. By more than 3-1, they oppose moving some of the accused terrorists housed there to prisons in their own states. . . .

In the survey, Americans were inclined to accept the argument by Cheney and former president George W. Bush that the detention center had made the United States safer. By 40%-18%, they said the prison [sic] had strengthened national security rather than weakened it.

Those who want the prison to remain open feel more strongly on the subject that those who want to close it. A 54% majority of those polled say the prison shouldn't be closed, and that they'll be upset if the administration moves forward to close it.

Barack Obama is on the wrong side of issues. His tipping point will come a lot sooner than commonly expected. So buck up for big changes, my Lefty friends.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Hint: CEO types aren't exactly held in high esteem right now.
Posted by: chrisfox8
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They will be if the economy is still in the CRAPPER 3 years from now...

Posted by: sovine08 | June 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Whoever runs against Obama in 2012 will be a sacrificial lamb.

Posted by: sgtpepper23 | June 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe "seatbelts" are the directed energy weapons that scrivener50 keeps complaining about?!

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh, the irony. For a republican to accuse someone of incompetence. LOL...

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

A few days ago, governor Pawlenty signed a bill containing a primary seatbelt law in Minnesota, a provision that had repeatedly been defeated in the legislature and was only passed because the sponsors slipped it into another bill at the last minute so that most legislators who voted on the bill did not even know it was there. As every engineer knows, seatbelts are a murderous, blood-soaked fraud. We pointed all this out to the governor before he signed this bill and he signed it anyway, thus infringing on the liberty, and endangering the lives, of the people of Minnesota. NHTSA offered Minnesota a bribe of $3.4 million dollars of your money to pass this bill, plus the police get to collect the fines. This is what the governor signed. And you are suggesting that this individual run for president?

Posted by: tiktin | June 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

He's probably afraid that, if he won, he would be stuck in court for six or eight months, after the votes were counted...

Old T-Paw.. drier than Melba Toast.. his chances for national prowess.. well, what was last year's derby mare.. that came up lame (same chances)..

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Those who want the prison to remain open feel more strongly on the subject that those who want to close it. A 54% majority of those polled say the prison shouldn't be closed, and that they'll be upset if the administration moves forward to close it."

Since Gallup generally polls a higher percentage of republicans than democrats, this poll is meaningless.

of course all the peeing in their pants wussies on the right want to keep it open. they're scared of their own shadows.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Brian Deese, a Yale Law School dropout who worked for the Obama campaign and during the transition was as he tells the paper, "the only full-time member of the auto task force." Now, he has "taken on a nearly unseen role in remaking the American automotive industry."


It is unprecedented that a role with such scope and influence be held by someone with so little experience of any kind, and none of it relevant. Furthermore, Mr. Deese's undergraduate transcripts show he lacks any coursework in business or economics. He failed to graduate with his class at Yale Law School, and administration officials close to the matter indicated that it was Mr. Deese's unquestioning political loyalty that led to his appointment . . . .

Again, the tipping point is near. Barack Obama's incompetence will be his downfall, sooner rather than later.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Pawlenty showed his "leadership" by squeezing the state transportation budget to show his total loyalty, come what may, to the Minnesota "Taxpayers" League "no new taxes pledge, putting his handsomely unqualified Lieutenant Governor Carol Molnaeu (a formidable competitive beer keg tosser) in a dual position of head of the state Department of Transportation. Together, they provided inadequate funding and oversight that contributed to the 35W bridge disaster. He protested when John McCain noted that failure before he was passed over for the vice president pick. And when members of his own party helped override his veto of a more pragmatic transportation budget for the state while he was playing Leader at the national Republican governor's convention, he made sure they lost party support for their loyalty to the state and disloyalty to the party. Sound familiar? This is Karl Rove style Republicanism all over again. He may own a base in the conservatives, but he owes his current office to a last minute narrow win courtesy of the trash ad wallet held by the Texas developer who funded the Swift Boat trash campaign against John Kerry, not to Minnesota support. And we'll see Pawlenty show party loyalty, not state loyalty, if he refuses to sign an election certificate his own state's supreme court determined to be legally Franken's, giving Minnesota BOTH the senators it's entitled to have in Washington.

Posted by: USCitizen2 | June 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota is hardly a bedrock conservative state, and Pawlenty was all but ignored at the convention, doesn't appear to have the national support to run for president. President Obama has done a good job including moderates in his government and will be re-elected, so Pawlenty's moving to political oblivion, can take that list he's always holding with him.

Posted by: cattheanimal | June 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to closing the detention center for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and moving some of the detainees to prisons on U.S. soil, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.
By more than 2-1, those surveyed say Guantanamo shouldn't be closed. By more than 3-1, they oppose moving some of the accused terrorists housed there to prisons in their own states. . . .
In the survey, Americans were inclined to accept the argument by Cheney and former president George W. Bush that the detention center had made the United States safer. By 40%-18%, they said the prison [sic] had strengthened national security rather than weakened it.
Those who want the prison to remain open feel more strongly on the subject that those who want to close it. A 54% majority of those polled say the prison shouldn't be closed, and that they'll be upset if the administration moves forward to close it.

Barack Obama is on the wrong side of a lot of issues. His tipping point will come a lot sooner than commonly expected. So buck up for big changes, my Lefty friends.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

chet_brewer writes
"if he is out of office he loses his microphone and just becomes a talking head like john Edwards who has no job but running his mouth and lacks any gravity."


Are you talking about Pawlenty, or Romney?


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Posted by: bsimon1 | June 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

That was Pawlenty amusing, mark.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Pawlenty was elected governor of Minnesota only because there were three candidates running--including a strong candidate from the Independence Party. He has no chance of winning the Presidency, and probably would not even win Minnesota as a presidential candidate for the Republican Party. Most people are glad to see him go.

Posted by: pgfendos | June 2, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Time to revive that campaign song gem:

"I got Pawlenty of nothing
And nothing's Pawlenty for me
I got no car - got no mule
I got no misery

Folks with Pawlenty of Pawlenty
They've got a lock on the door
Afraid somebody's gonna rob 'em
While there out (a) making more - what for

I got no lock on the door - that's no way to be
They can steal the rug from the floor - that's ok with me
'cause the things that I prize - like the stars in the skies - are all free

I got Pawlenty of nothing
And nothing's Pawlenty for me
I got my gal - got my song
got heaven the whole day long"

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 2, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

What's with this fawning column about Pawlenty? The guy barely won re-election as governor and being out of office isn't going to help him in a run for the presidency in 2012. No one knows who he is now and they're not going to even care in three years.

Posted by: Bob22003 | June 2, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess its a no win situation for him, if he runs in 2010 and loses he's toast like Allen, if he is out of office he loses his microphone and just becomes a talking head like john Edwards who has no job but running his mouth and lacks any gravity.

Posted by: chet_brewer | June 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

We patriotic Americans have had pawlenty of America-hating unpatriotic slime like Red Bushie Pawlenty.

He should go enlist.

But ... he won't.

Posted by: WillSeattle | June 2, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The host features as a "Pick" the poll reflecting that we do not want to close the prison at Guantanamo and that we do not want the 240 detainees on the mainland, because we believe former VP Cheney made us safer by placing the detainees on our Cuban leasehold.

The overwhelmingly Democratic leaning posters here are clearly not representative of the Americans polled by "USA-Today".

Or are you? Would you be easily stampeded into voting your fears? This poll should at least dampen the triumphalism of those Democrats who think that reason must prevail in the New Age.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | June 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't know much about Pawlenty but I would have reservations about anyone from a state that has elected a professional wrestler as governor and a comedian as a senator. I guess the state bird must explain these things. (The loon)

Posted by: observer53 | June 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The craphead Pawlenty vetoed the medicinal marijuana bill that had been passed by both houses in his state. Just another GOPulator who puts party ideology before the will of the people in his state.

Flush ... to the septic tank. Bye bye, right-wingnut sh!thead.

Posted by: RichardKefalos | June 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

theobserver4:

Your guy is going to sign a bipartisan commission on Ronald Reagan and has invited Nancy to the White House. Ask him?

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

" wouldn't have put this quite so harshly (most days), but I have to agree: the quality of GOP/conservative postings has dropped dramatically"

yeah, there's no one can make a cogent point anymore, just this loony childish crap about teleprompters and birth certificates and messiah and yadda yadda yadda....

maybe the intelligent ones are just to be embarrassed to identify themselves as Rs. Or maybe there just aren't any smart ones left.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

My reading of the mood of the electorate just now is politicians who put party before country have a steep hill to climb. Pawlenty will be shooting himself in the foot if he does not certify Franken when the Supremes say he won not just in Minnesota but all over this country that has a lot fewer Republicans than Democrats.

Posted by: Thependulumswings | June 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Republicans lost the last election because the Bush Administration came to stand for incompetence, and GOP social positions were just plain loopy. They need to establish that the religious right goes to the back of the bus, much as Dems did with blacks and gays prior to 1992, and they need to put up someone whose competence is beyond question. Someone with serious Reagan cred wouldn't hurt. That's not Pawlenty and it sure isn't Mitt Romney (too loopy). Haley Barbour could work.

-What the heck is Reagan cred? Are people still touting him as anything more than a B movie suit these days? Amazing......I thought supply side economics had be tried and thoroughly discredited. That was one of his many asinine platforms.

Posted by: theobserver4 | June 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

mattadamsdietmanager1014:

Are you, or are you not, a Republican?

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

sagereader asked chrisfox8 for "...a few less foul words."

chrisfox8 read sagereader to mean "...a few less...".

sagereader may have meant "...less foul...".

POV may be critical.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | June 2, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

MSNBC is covering his speech on not seeking reelection.

Not that it has anything to do with the merits, but his tie is poorly knotted.

When in front of the camera (especially nationally) one needs to pay attention to the little details.

Wonder who didn't fix his tie for him. Someone should have.

Sidenote: Schuster just referred to Sen. Dianne "Fine stine" as "Fine steen." What the heck.

Posted by: businesslitigationgroup | June 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

This is going be such a sad week for Norm Colemen and the Republicans. I am sure Vice President Biden will seat Franken as soon as this ruling comes down. The Senate which is control by the Democrates will and has every legal right to seat Franken. note to Coleman: Oh please concede Fast!

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | June 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"Pawlenty is Huckabee-lite: faux populism as a disguise for out-of-the-mainstream approaches to the nation's economic and social questions."

This is absolutely correct. Pawlenty's supposed "folksiness" and penchant for wearing flannel shirts at press conferences is some of the worst kind of pandering. People forget all to quickly that he's an attorney, he made good money at a large law firm in Minneapolis, and he lives in one of the wealthiest suburbs in the state.

It's also true that he's no moderate--anyone examining Pawlenty's record as Governor would see that he's adamantly opposed to any sort of tax increase, regardless of how small it truly is. In the last legislative session, he refused a Democratic plan to balance a $6.4 billion budget deficit because 1/6 of the gap would be closed through tax increases (the other 5/6 were cuts in general revenue spending). He's now in the process of balancing the budget with 100% cuts.

Furthermore, he's gone on record several times stating that he's opposed to gay marriage and believes it should only be done between a man and a woman.

In sum, I'd handicap Pawlenty's chances at obtaining the Republican presidential nomination at 1000:1. Just about every other Republican whose name has been bandied about has a better chance than he.

Posted by: Adanielch | June 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the GOP field for 2012 is really shaping up well:

Willard Mittens "Doggie Diarrhea" Romney, AKA Mr Flip Flop

Sarah "I am a moron, you betcha!" Palin

Tim "Bridges" Pawlenty

etc etc

What a brilliant move by Obama to take Jon Huntsman out of the running. Brilliant!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Calm down, people.

As soon as it looks like a Republican is interested in running for elected office (hello, it is still a democracy, that's what we WANT to happen) you Obamaniacs start hyperventilating and ranting about nothing at all.

If the economy is still in the crapper, Obama's Big Spending Spree has jacked up interest rates to 7-8%, GM is haemorraging tax dollars, Iran and North Korea are peddling nukes on the open market, and/or our body count in Afghanistan is where it was in Iraq circa 2004--then Bozo the Clown will beat Obama in 2012. If by some miracle none of this comes to pass, then Jesus himself could not win. And yes, that last sentence implies that I don't equate Obama with Christ's second coming. Ooh, them's fighting words!

Posted by: Clio1 | June 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

hey sagereader, where are the gooper debaters? It's mental cases like zouk and scrivener, morons like jaked, mouthbreathers like sovine, and jerkoffs like you.

Used to be there were Republican posters who could manage a basic logical argument, now all we have are various kinds of stupid trolls. And since mirrors the electorate I would say the Democrats are in for smooth sailing for many elections to come.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 1:47 PM
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I wouldn't have put this quite so harshly (most days), but I have to agree: the quality of GOP/conservative postings has dropped dramatically. 98% appear to be nothing better than pasted talking points. The other 2% are covered by the likes of jaked, who while he has the distinct honor of avoiding talking points, refuses to engage anyone at face value. He's just lonely and likes to talk.

Posted by: abqcleve | June 2, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: captainkona | June 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey, isn't that the dude who used to do America's Funniest Home Videos?
How'd he get cross eyed like that? Dr. drop him at birth?

Anyway...

This Pawlenty dude vetoed Minnesota's Medical Marijuana legislation. Effectively making him a punk.
LINK

Bring 'em on. Our wrath is a MF. Just ask Kellogs.

Posted by: captainkona | June 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Well he will kill his chances with a 2012 presidency nomination with the way he has handled the Coleman vs Franken mess. If he does not certify this this week when the ruling comes out as Franken as the winner Pawlenty is gone from politics.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | June 2, 2009 12:08 PM
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As Chris observes, not with his base. In the long term, though, you're mostly correct, though he'd improve his chances if he were to switch parties.

Posted by: abqcleve | June 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

pali2600:

On that other thread, I argued that the faces of the GOP are those who will be elected next time around -- the pendulum will swing back -- that's guaranteed.

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot, didn't Harris in Florida show what can happen when you play games with the will of the people?

Seems to me Pawlenty should have taken note of that when refusing to support seating Franken.

Posted by: businesslitigationgroup | June 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Pawlently won by 1% in 2006. 47% to 46%. Chris you gave him way too much credit. He nearly lost and would have had the Dem nominee not made a vulgar remark a few days before the election.

Posted by: RussellNewYork | June 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Pawlently won by 1% in 2006. 47% to 46%. Chris you gave him way too much credit. He nearly lost and would have had the Dem nominee not made a vulgar remark a few days before the election.

Posted by: RussellNewYork | June 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Pawlently won by 1% in 2006. 47% to 46%. Chris you gave him way too much credit. He nearly lost and would have had the Dem nominee not made a vulgar remark a few days before the election.

Posted by: RussellNewYork | June 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty has sealed the deal with his failing to get anywhere nationally because the only act of note voters will remember is his following national Party orders to delay seating Franken.

He has shown himself to be in league with other Republicans who will do anything and everything to get their way, justice, fairness and doing the right thing be damned.

As for 2012 I can't any Repubs of note (and possessing political common sense) choosing to run against Obama. Everyone knows Obama is in it for 8 years, so why bother.

While one could get his or her name in lights simply by running in 2012, I would think the trade-off, being branded a loser, will outweigh the benefits of running.

But then again, maybe a "dry run" in 2012 so to run in 2016 is a good thing. I don't know how these career politicians think other than to know that they are always running for office.

Posted by: businesslitigationgroup | June 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

>>

I really don't think this will matter. Think about it from his perspective. Why does he care about independents? For the 2012 general election. But you have to win the pennant before you can worry about who is going to pitch in the world series. Plus, I don't think that moderate swing voters will be thinking about the 2008 MN senate race four years from now. It will be "Is the economy good?" "Has Obama gotten us into a major foreign policy disaster?"

Independents kind of skim over this sort of stuff and focus on big issues. The kind of people that volunteer and donate in Iowa and NH....that's another story.

There is no doubt in my mind that refusing to sign is the smart political move for Pawlenty right now and would considerably increase his odds of being president. His odds might be going from 1% to 2% but its still a big increase...

Posted by: jeffreyclarke | June 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

GeorgHerbet:

Never say "never".

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

No one can beat Obama in 2012. No one.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | June 2, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

mattadamsdietmanager1014:

I thought you said on another thread that you were a Republican?

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

At least you aren't arguing that Cheney, Limbaugh, and Gingrich are the future of the GOP anymore ...

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 1:55 PM |

____________________

No one ever argued that they were.

Like you, they are all "Yesterday's Men."

Posted by: pali2600 | June 2, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

You are right, he has never cracked 50% in his two races, but his 2006 reelection was much closer than you indicate. It was 47% to 46%, slightly less than 1%, a margin of 20,000 votes out of more than two million cast.

Posted by: dostrom | June 2, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"Vanity,
vanity,
all is vanity.

"And if you
don't watch out,
it ends up
in insanity."

(Nothing to worry about, Democrats. Pawlenty's political career was at an end anyway.)

Posted by: pali2600 | June 2, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty, Palen...they all should keep their day jobs or begin writing their concession speech for the evening of Nov. 5, 2012. Obama 2012

Posted by: logcabin1836 | June 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty is an idiot! Ok let's say Franken prevails this week(which will happen) Pawlenty does not sign the certifcate. The Republicans continue to attack satomayor. It goes to the US Supreme Court which intern will bring it national reports. The supreme court also has another case pending dealing with affirmative action as to overturn a ruling by Satomayor. If they take this case, and over rule Satomayor, it will further push the Republicans politcaling down the politcal spectrum. They wil also alienate hispanic voters. This will be political suicide for the Republicans if this to were happen. Smartly the Obama Administration set this trap in motion for the Republicans and they are taking the bate. Also they will alienate the people of Minnesota by deregarding the peoples voice vote and disregarding the Minnesota Supreme Courts decision. Like i said in my last post, Republicans will be smart not to fall into that trap.
1. Do the right thing a regain its integrity by The US Supreme Court not taking the case and standing by the Minnesota Supreme Court decision. (staying out of it)
2. Coleman (which is a dream) concede before the decision comes down.
Pawlenty certify the results that Franken is the winner.(which won't happen)

Prediction:
This will all BLOW UP in the Republicans face because of Pawlenty, Coleman, Right wing,Rush, Cheny,O'reily, Hannity, Beck and Newt. The Republicans will discrace themselves from dignity and stay in the minority for a long time looking verY unamerican to americans and loose the hispanic support.

President Obama and the Democrates will Win and come out on top.
Vice President Biden will then force the Senate to seat Franken anyway.
Harry Reid and the Senate will have Franken sworn in as the New Sanator THIS WEEK from Minnesota ASAP!

In the end the Republicans will loose but they brought this on themselves...........

Look for a 2012 reelection second term for President Obama.
Franken should be in Washington this week as the ruling comes out for his sweering in. Oh yeah, watch for a Coleman breakdown sadly.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | June 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

This is the perfect "out" for Norm Coleman. Forget the appeal, Norm. Run for governor.

Posted by: UrbanCrab | June 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

If he can't win a governor's race in Minnesota, why would he win the state as a Republican Presidential nominee? I don't get how this is a plus for him. He won't have any political machine left in Minnesota during the 2012 race, so he'd be an even weaker candidate than if he were governor.

As for not signing Franken's election certificate, it may play well among the base but it will be a killer issue with independents. The American electorate has a very strong sense of fair play. If the MN Supreme Court says Franken won, and TPaw ignores them, that is an issue he will be on the wrong side of in a general election. Voters trust the courts far more than they trust the explanation of a politician.

TPaw cannot win the Republican nomination in 2012. He is boring. Coming up with ideas now is a little late: he had eight years as governor. He has no money. He has no base of money. He has no hopes of competing for money. He can however, become a VP candidate. That is where TPaw's slim hopes of a political feature fall.

Lets face it, 2012 for the Republicans will be like 1992 for the Democrats. No Republican from the A-team will try for the nomination (as if they have an A-team anymore.) The only hope for the Republicans is that something happens in the last 18-24 months of the Obama administration to make him toxic to the electorate. That he will not have to face a first class candidate does provide TPaw with a small glimmer of hope, but even in a field of $5,000 claimers, you still need something.

Posted by: caribis | June 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

Just a small correction from one of us in Minnesota. In 2006: Pawlenty defeated Mike Hatch, 46.69-45.73. The third party candidate received 6.43 percent.

Posted by: jtnick75 | June 2, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty is a non-starter for Prez. Once he's gone though, Minn can get abck Jesse Ventura....he wa a better Governor.

Posted by: free-donny | June 2, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

pv2rcdbo writes
" Coleman, upon realizing he's in a losing battle to keep his senate seat, announces his intent to run for governor."

Coleman already lost the governors race - when Ventura won. He hasn't made any new friends with this drawn-out election. So, riddle me this: Having lost to both a professional wrestler and a comedian in statewide races, do you really think he's ready for another go at it?

p.s. Watch for former Rep Jim Ramstad to get into the 2010 race.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile maybe you can learn a few less foul words.

==

"fewer" foul words.

"less" is for "infinitely divisible" things.

You wouldn't say "fewer water," would you? So why do you say "less words?"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

Alan Keyes was the American Independent Party's candidate for President last time around.

eomcmars:

What part of "First, Pawlenty is under far less pressure to certify Democrat Al Franken as the winner in the Minnesota Senate race if the state Supreme Court rejects the election appeal of former Sen. Norm Coleman" didn't you understand?

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

john9826 writes
"He has held the line on spending and taxes; if only California had done the same. He's well within the mainstream on social issues. I don't think the Coleman-Franken litigation will hurt him--he has followed and will continue to follow the law."

I would say he's on the right edge of 'mainstream' thought on social issues. He is only in the mainstream because the social issues are not his critical issues - but his positions are definitely friendly with the GOP base, which is further and further out of the mainstream as time goes by.

More critically, in terms of fiscal policy, is Pawlenty's uncompromising position on taxes. He is absolutely a club-for-growth type, where the only tax adjustments allowed are tax cuts (with the notable exception of calling them 'fees', like a cigarette tax marketed as a 'health impact fee'). As JohninMpls writes, he has created a unique situation for himself with this year's budget. The legislature (DFL controlled) passed both spending and revenue bills to create a combined balanced budget. The revenue bills included tax increases. The governor signed most of the spending bills (with some line-item vetoes), but vetoed the revenue bill outright. This has created an imbalanced budget. Rather than calling a special session of the Legislature to resolve the budget problem, Gov Pawlenty has chosen to take it upon himself to decide what budget cuts to make - effectively circumventing the legislature. He is firstly on legally tenuous ground, and will surely face court challenges to his pending actions. More interestingly, he has created a situation where he is forced to shrink the size of government. Revenue (i.e. taxes) is down, due to the stalled economy. Because he vetoed the spending bill, revenue for the 2010 & 2011 fiscal years will be less than last year. In other words, he has created the opportunity to prove what conservatives claim: that small government is better than big government. Gov Pawlenty has the chance to be a hero to the party - and prove in this Minnesota experiment that the electorate really does want small government; or he will be a goat, and the club for growth's ideology will be proven the fraud it is. If the former, he'll leapfrog to the head of the 2012 line. If the latter, we'll have heard the last of T-Paw.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 2, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

The only way Pawlenty can win is to lose the (R).

Posted by: reality_chuck | June 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Chris is way off base saying Pawlenty should be out of office before running for president. That makes him just another candidate. Look what happened to FORMER Gov Warner of Virginia in the Dem primary.

That said, I don't think any of the R's mentioned so far have a shot against Obama.

Posted by: dotellen | June 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Too boring.

Posted by: reality_chuck | June 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

oh is see. sagereader is a 'prik' and proud of it.

Look-- Roeder is another tax deadbeat as well as a murderer.

"Yet more details about the extremist background of Scott Roeder, the suspect in the George Tiller murder.

USA Today reports that Roeder "called himself a citizen of the Republic of Kansas who didn't want to pay income or Social Security taxes or register his car."

And it adds the name of another right-wing group to which Roeder at one time belonged: "One Supreme Court." According to a source who tracked militia organizations, the group claimed its members were "sovereign citizens" not subject to federal and state laws.

It had already been reported that Roeder had been a member of Freemen, a right-wing militia group which espoused a similar ideology."

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 said:
"hey sagereader, where are the gooper debaters? It's mental cases like zouk and scrivener, morons like jaked, mouthbreathers like sovine, and jerkoffs like you."

The unending list of lefty nuts, including you, on this site makes your position laughable. But you have to go with what you have, so you are excused!!

Meanwhile maybe you can learn a few less foul words. I won't hold my breath.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

At least you aren't arguing that Cheney, Limbaugh, and Gingrich are the future of the GOP anymore ...

Posted by: JakeD

==

Nobody ever said they were the FUTURE of the GOP, ol' nincompoopoe, we said they are the FACE the the GOP.

As indeed they are.

As for the FUTURE of the Republican Party, it doesn't have one.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Tim Pawlenty is a non-starter in the doomed GOP race for 2012. He has zero charisma, antiquated ideas, a poor administrative record in Minnesota, and a cowardly approach to the Franken/Coleman Senate issue. In addition, Pawlenty has absolutely no international experience or knowledge what so ever.

Pawlenty is Huckabee-lite: faux populism as a disguise for out-of-the-mainstream approaches to the nation's economic and social questions. I am delighted to have the Republicans field yet another loser from their seemingly bottomless reserve of deadbeats.

Posted by: dee5 | June 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

If Pawlenty is worried about how bad it would look to have lost the 2010 election for governor, he should consider what it would look like to have been impeached for not signing Franken's election certificate if/when the Minnesota supreme court orders him to.

Posted by: kallen1 | June 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey heard a good one the other day, anyone wanna hear it?

"Mitt Romney"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"I hope I'm wrong. But Gov. Tim Pawlenty's (R) apparent decision not to seek reelection does not bode well for Al Franken's ability to get seated in the senate any time soon. That's because the most probable next step in the endless Franken-Coleman drama is that the Minnesota Supreme Court will rule in Franken's favor and it will fall to Pawlenty to issue the certificate of election that will get him seated in the senate. The details are sort of murky. But the upshot is that Pawlenty will likely have just enough wiggle room to refuse to do so, if he wishes, perhaps using the excuse of possible litigation on Coleman's behalf in the federal judiciary.

As long as he was going to run for governor and had to face Minnesota voters again, there was good reason for him not to completely stick his finger in the eye of the election process. But now that's not holding him back. And since he's probably running for president, he'll have tons of incentive to pander to the hardcore tea-bagging wing of the GOP and keep Franken out of the senate as long as he can.

Late Update: Several readers make the good point that much depends on just how the Supreme Court rules for Franken, assuming they rule in his favor. It's possible the Court could give quite specific instructions to Pawlenty, which he'd be hard-pressed to ignore. So the devil will be in the details of the ruling."

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

adrienne_najjar said:

"We haven't heard the last from this prik."

Maybe you don't like any priks?

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Crystal Ball time:
1) Pawlenty won't certify the election of Franken.
2) Coleman fights for his bid all the way to the Supreme Court
3) Coleman, upon realizing he's in a losing battle to keep his senate seat, announces his intent to run for governor.
4) Pawlenty/Romney ticket in 2012- running theme is CEO's are People, Too!
5) Obama/Biden ticket landslide election in 2012

Posted by: pv2bdrco | June 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"At least you aren't arguing that Cheney, Limbaugh, and Gingrich are the future of the GOP anymore ..."

No, they're the reason the GOP doesn't have a future.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

At least you aren't arguing that Cheney, Limbaugh, and Gingrich are the future of the GOP anymore ...

Posted by: JakeD | June 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I have resided in the state of Minnesota
during Pawlenty's governorship. Frankly,
he is an idiot, liar, opportunist, in-
competent office holder!

Pawlenty won the last election because
a third-party candidate received many
votes that would otherwise have been
cast for the Democratic opponent.

He is from South St. Paul, blue collar,
and on an ego trip.

If this is the best the Republicans can
come up with - Bring It On! Pawlenty
is surely a light-weight, and does not
know his backside from page one!

Posted by: Sirius2 | June 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Not even close. 2012 belongs to Mitt Romney. Maybe VP for Pawlenty.

Posted by: hz9604 | June 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

hey sagereader, where are the gooper debaters? It's mental cases like zouk and scrivener, morons like jaked, mouthbreathers like sovine, and jerkoffs like you.

Used to be there were Republican posters who could manage a basic logical argument, now all we have are various kinds of stupid trolls. And since mirrors the electorate I would say the Democrats are in for smooth sailing for many elections to come.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are irrelevant and, until they start winning elections, they will, by definition, remain so.

But what of all the talk of a "conservative" party being built apart from the Republicans, the so called Independents?

Is this like, John Anderson time? I am wondering who their candidates will be.

I don't care who the Republican candidates will be and evidently, Middle America does not either.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 2, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

sagereader. Oh yeah, there's lots of rightiwng blogs out there -- most of have about 2 readers.

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

his "inner circle"?

More like his "inner circle jerk"!

Another republotard LOSER!

What a shambles the GOP has become - when a no-count dope like this looks promising!

Posted by: Heerman532 | June 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty has the charm and looks of a mortician. This is the best ya got?

Posted by: drindl | June 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The left wing kooks are out in force. Only in Washington Post, a dying newspaper, and the New York Times, another dying newspaper, would you screwballs constitute a majority of the bloggers.

Posted by: sagereader | June 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Dems want to see plenty of Pawlenty in the future years. Let's see, a debate with Bobby Jindel, Sarah Palin and Pawlenty. This will make blackboards crack, desks shake, and textbooks ice over in every institution of higer education in the country, such will be the nonsense. It will be must-watch TV for children under 5 becuase they'll understand it.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | June 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I honestly have a hard time seeing Pawlenty scoring the nomination. He's more moderate than McCain, who had huge problems with the party base.

Posted by: SeanC1 | June 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Will Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty screw his own constituents and deny them representation in the Senate just to please the rabid, rightwing base of the Republican Party? Of course he will. Want to know his Presidental platform? Listen to the man writing the Republican platforms for these morons, Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: rodneythecat | June 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Tim Pawlenty must be getting an early start for 2016 since 2012 is already a lock for Obama's second term!

Posted by: Citi_Street | June 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Seat Al Franken already, geez.

Norm Coleman is a kook.

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | June 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

We haven't heard the last from this prik.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | June 2, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I moved to Minnesota in 2007. My introduction to Pawlenty came that summer, when he was vociferously arguing against an increase in the state's gas tax, which hadn't been raised in decades. The increase in revenue would pay for the transportation infrastructure.

Then, in August of that same year, the 35W bridge collapsed.

This is a man who repeatedly vetoed balanced budgets this year because they included some tax increases. He will use his executive power to create his own budget. To balance it, he's asking for Minnesotans to email him ideas.

I'm not making this up.

What a great President he'd make.

Posted by: JohninMpls | June 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

He has held the line on spending and taxes; if only California had done the same. He's well within the mainstream on social issues. I don't think the Coleman-Franken litigation will hurt him--he has followed and will continue to follow the law.

Sure, he looks like a long shot for 2012 at this point in the cycle, but then again so did Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

Posted by: John9826 | June 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Republicans lost the last election because the Bush Administration came to stand for incompetence, and GOP social positions were just plain loopy. They need to establish that the religious right goes to the back of the bus, much as Dems did with blacks and gays prior to 1992, and they need to put up someone whose competence is beyond question. Someone with serious Reagan cred wouldn't hurt. That's not Pawlenty and it sure isn't Mitt Romney (too loopy). Haley Barbour could work.

But long term, they need to grow their electorate with the population, and with the percentage of white voters declining, that's a HUGE challenge. The opportunity to attract blacks is gone baby gone, and the opportunity to attract Latinos is basically shot. So you've written off close to 25% of the electorate before you leave the door. Most women aren't down with the "government wants their hands on your body" bit, so that's 60% of 50% of 75%, which is 22%, which adds up to 47% Dem without a single white male voter. Ballgame, pure and simple. The Nats have a better chance of going .500 than the GOP has of winning a national election given those numbers.

Posted by: gbooksdc | June 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

a sacrifice until the republicans can find someone that will have achance against a democrat.look at the electoral map all the old rep. are dying off and the young are goiung dem.remember the 14-17 yr old today will be voting age in 2012. more troubling for the rep is the 17yr today will be 20 yr old college {obamas playground}.pawlenty does not have a chance no one wants to run in 2012 it a loser.

Posted by: donaldtucker | June 2, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Lets see. Mittens, Huckster, falin Palin, Newty, Guiliani.

So inessence we've got an animal abuser, bible thumper, bumbling bimbo, serial adulterer, and another serial adulterer.

Toss in Alan Keyes and i can see why Pawlenty would be likely to take the repig nomination among these jokers.

2012 aught to be a lot of fun.

Posted by: dcp26851 | June 2, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"As governor, Pawlenty has taken a conservative's stance on taxes, most recently holding firm against attempts by legislative Democrats to increase some taxes to fill in a massive state budget deficit. Failing to reach a compromise with Democrats, Pawlenty instead invoked executive powers that allow him to trim state spending without legislative input."

In other words, an executive who'll ride roughshod over the legislature - ignoring it, actually - to pursue his own agenda. Haven't we seen this movie before?


NO MORE BUSHES, BY ANY OTHER NAME!!!

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 2, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Campaigned for Bush(McCain) and Failin Palin -- Another idiot republican.

Can't wait for his 'Everyone pays taxes but the wealthy' campaign!

Posted by: stodayxx | June 2, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh no. Now the sniveling weasel won't be under as much pressure to certify Franken when the MNSP rules in his favor....

Posted by: davewaugh | June 2, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok............2012 Let's get in right.

Mitt Romney and Pawlently in that order.

Time for experience and proven leadership and business skills

==

Make up your mind.

Hint: CEO types aren't exactly held in high esteem right now.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 2, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse


A Palin-Pawlenty ticket could do very well in Mississippi.

Posted by: motorfriend | June 2, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

(sigh*************)

Pawlenty you are just an opponet sir. Your former leader Georgie Porgie(and he cheated to get in anyway), destroyed ur party and you guys are out of touch, with guys like limbaugh, steele..lol and new gingrich talkin mambo jambo, u might as well just wait till 2020

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 2, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty who?

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 2, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Most Minnesotans I know will be glad to see him go. He's been disastrous for the state. I just hope they don't palm him off on the rest of the country. We've had enough of his kind.

Posted by: windrider2 | June 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Why the press anoints him is a puzzle? he hasn't done well in MN. and his stance son social issues is behind the curve. Again, another article that hasn't much to say about what none of us could possibly see 3-4 years in future.

Posted by: crrobin | June 2, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

and interestingly Cillizza doesn't say boo about possible fallout from the Franken v. Coleman mess. From other things I've read, it's a no-win situation for Pawlenty: either he certifies Franken and pisses off the right wing or he doesn't and alienates almost everyone else who's ready to move on.

Posted by: eomcmars | June 2, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok............2012 Let's get in right.

Mitt Romney and Pawlently in that order.

Time for experience and proven leadership and business skills

Let's HOPE the liberals that run our MSM wolfpack press don't INSERT themselves into the next elections like they DID in 2008................Crimminals

Posted by: allenridge | June 2, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

@1014 - Exactly how has T-Paw mishandled it? State law was followed throughout the recount without interference and now an appeals process is proceeding. One might say he's let Coleman have enough rope to hang himself.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 2, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

He's not presidential material. He's practically destroyed Minnesota. Of course, this is the GOP agenda, destruction of the entire nation, so perhaps they'll choose him.

-Wexler

Posted by: WWWexler | June 2, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if he's been bought out w/ a large donation to his pres campaign to keep Franken out of the senate no matter what.

Posted by: HardyW | June 2, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

ouch...another republican Rat leaves the ship....

Posted by: patriot76 | June 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he can carve out a formidable position as a sane moderate in the GOP by publicly refuting and condemning the hate speech coming from his own party's conservative base regarding Sotomayor.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | June 2, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Well he will kill his chances with a 2012 presidency nomination with the way he has handled the Coleman vs Franken mess. If he does not certify this this week when the ruling comes out as Franken as the winner Pawlenty is gone from politics.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | June 2, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

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