Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity

The GOP national security gap (and the 2012 presidential race)



Former Vice President Dick Cheney is one of the only Republicans speaking out on national security matters. AP Photo/ABC, Fred Watkins

The prominence of former Vice President Dick Cheney (again) in the debate over terrorism and national security speaks to a remarkable void of authoritative voices on those issues among the aspiring 2012 Republican presidential field.

The likely field is currently dominated by former governors (Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin) and a current governor (Tim Pawlenty) who have next-to-no experience with matters of national security and terrorism, having served only as chief executives of their states.

Even among the handful of federal officials (former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Rep. Mike Pence, Sen. John Thune) there is a dearth of in-depth experience on national security and terrorism matters.

It's no accident then that talk of a candidacy by Gen. David Petraeus continues to bubble up in the blogosphere. (Read Peter Beinart's argument for Petraeus in the Daily Beast. And, make sure to check out David Ignatius' interview with Petraeus here.)

Assuming Petraeus doesn't run -- and it seems VERY unlikely that he will -- and that the current field is a rough approximation of who will run in 2012, the question is whether the lack of a candidate with significant national security bona fides will badly handicap the GOP's chances of winning the White House.

Today, of course, the 2012 race looks almost certainly to be decided on domestic issues -- economy, health care etc. -- as terrorism and national security concerns tend to rate relatively low when people are asked to assess the most pressing problems facing the country.

In the most recent New York Times/CBS poll, 65 percent of respondents named the economy, jobs or health care as the most important problem in the country while just one percent (!) named terrorism. The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and "foreign policy" attracted less than one percent support in the poll.

Romney and Pawlenty -- the two most active Republican candidates -- are focusing almost exclusively on hitting President Obama on domestic matters; Romney is casting himself as a businessman who can get the economy going again by kickstarting the private sector while Pawlenty is touting his record of tax cuts and proposals on health care. And, Palin, even in her scatter-shot approach to policy pronouncements tends to focus far more on domestic issues -- like her missive today on the economic stimulus package -- than on national security and foreign policy.

Although national security/foreign policy aren't tremendously pressing as issues today, the 2008 presidential election is instructive about how quickly these things can change.

When the 2008 presidential primary fight began the dominant issue was the war in Iraq. The premise behind then Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's seemingly audacious bid for the presidency was that he had opposed the war from the start while some of the other frontrunners in the race -- Hillary Clinton, John Edwards -- had not.

But, as the primary process wore on (and on), the war faded as an issue and once Obama became the presidential nominee, the economic collapse became the dominant point of debate. That switch proved extremely detrimental to Sen. John McCain's (Ariz.) chances as he struggled to bring the same passion, energy and knowledge to domestic affairs that he clearly felt about matters of foreign policy and national security.

With that race in mind, it's not unreasonable to conclude that it is uniquely possible that the economy fades somewhat as an issue between now and 2012 while the war in Aghanistan and the ways in which President Obama is trying to keep the country safe rise in importance.

(Public opinion data in the post-Sept. 11 era suggests that attempted attacks -- like the Christmas day terrorist plot -- cause a spike in those identifying terrorism and homeland security as a major issue but that the spike rarely lasts.)

And, while his public standing has faltered somewhat on things like health care and the economy, President Obama's numbers on handling the threat of terrorism have actually stayed strong.

In the latest Washington Post/ABC News national poll, 56 percent approved of how Obama was handling terrorism issues while 39 percent disapproved. Obama held a five-point edge over Republicans when the sample was asked who they trusted to do a better job in dealing with terrorism.

Obama's strength on the issue could, of course, recede in the same way that George W. Bush watched his approval numbers on the war in Iraq erode as the conflict dragged on without any sign of victory.

But, today, he remains a potent and trusted force in handling the threat of terror -- a standing that presents a major roadblock for Republicans on what had been a traditional area of strength. And, in two years time, he will have spent a full term as commander-in chief and could fall back on his experiences during that time to show his ability to make national security decisions under fire.

That roadblock is made larger by the lack of an obvious candidate who can stand toe to toe with Obama on national security and foreign policy issues.

We're still a long way from the 2012 election and the Republican field is still decidedly fluid. But, look to see whether of the candidates already assumed to be running begin to position themselves as the -- or at least a -- leading voice on national security matters. It's an open space that needs filling and, of course, politics abhors a vacuum.

By Chris Cillizza  |  February 17, 2010; 12:08 PM ET
Categories:  Eye on 2012  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Biden, Republicans battle over economic stimulus anniversary
Next: Evan Bayh for President?

Comments

Cillizza's election night recap sounded pretty "positive" to me:

"But the story of the night was clearly Obama, the first African American nominee of either party and now the first black man to be elected president of the United States.

The keys to Obama's victory are myriad ...

Much will be said and written of this race in the days, weeks, months and years to come. But, what is clear tonight is that the man and the moment have met."

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 18, 2010 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who reads English and who after reading this blog comes away believing that Cillizza is an Obama supporter has reading comprehension problems reflecting clinical cognitive disorder.

Completely demented. Cillizza would gag trying to say anything positive about 44.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 18, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Chris-bama didn't think experience was very important when he was panting for Obama to win.

Posted by: grohlik | February 18, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

@NYClefty: apologies, I regretted it moments after sending but this primitive blog allows no edits or deletions. Not even the ability to block idiots like our trolls.

It's just infuriating (it's meant to be) to come here and see thread after thread clogged up not only with this 70 IQ stuff but the exact same posts in every thread. The point is to stop discussion and 37th has effectively done so. I wasn't trying to insult the disabled but rather to make a direct comparison. We both know that 37th is one of the two trolls, probably JakeD, and the idiot act is fake. But CC refuses to do anything about it, so the people who were worth reading have mostly left.

I don't understand what motivates a career nuisance, I do know that there's something distinctly American about it, and it's one of the big cultural reasons I'm leaving.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 18, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

What was today? A bunch of Pretend Press Releases and Pretend Press Interviews to attempt to fool people into believing the stimulus bill worked somehow.


Obama was never really clear what that "somehow" was - despite is repeated pronouncements of the phrase "let me be clear."


Obama is sinking - and sinking so fast - the actual new risk is that the American people are about to tune Obama out - locking in their negative views of his zany campaign promises and Obama's turn to the left faster than a jackrabbit running across the street.


Many people have no idea why Obama chose to highlight a program which is so dubious.


What you have here is Obama and his people believing that if they repeat something many times, it becomes true. Thinking people judge for themselves - and Obama lost a great deal of thinking people today.


Obama is becoming more and more of a disaster.


Obama's entire agenda has not worked - it is in shreds. He needs something different. Holding a news conference to pretend that the stimulus worked -


Then holding a conference with the Republicans to pretend that Obama is being bipartisan


Then trying to get the health care bill passed - pretending that the moderate democrats are going to back the bill now.

IS THIS OBAMA'S PLAN ???


It just can NOT be Obama's plan.


If Obama does that, he will only highlight his own weaknesses - go right ahead.


This is getting ugly. Really ugly.


Today was a terrible disaster for Obama.


He is now making stupid mistakes.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 18, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler-
I am on your side but please refrain from insulting developmentally disabled people- I work with developmentally disabled children and they have a lot to offer the world- 37 and O is wrong on policy and immature in his writing- but nooone needs to throw around slurs

Leon

Posted by: NYClefty | February 17, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler

I don't know - I read that Obama was reading them their rights on the battlefield in Afghanistan.

See - we really don't know how far all this "soft on terror" stuff has gone - because Obama hasn't been telling us.


Obama has been hiding it.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

No there is no Miranda ruling in war but it's important to keep the filth riled up.

Stupid child.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Does Obama make sure that the Taliban leaders are read their rights too ???


I think he does...........


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

37th writes like he's mentally retarded, and not a borderline functional either. Like a high chair and a bib.

The money is documented, cretin.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I guess when you alone, like ped, you have mo one to point out your idiocy.

==

at least you have mom. When she's sober, anyway.

And her new boyfriend.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Repealing DADT... no wonder Dick has the whites showing around his eyes. Obama is "restructuring American society."

I bet he wants his country back. Heh heh heh.

And Jake wants judicial murder.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The funniest thing is that dribbl routinly accuses others of posting too much, of whiling away their day, of cutting and pasting, of being stupid, of not having a life, of not having a job , etc.

Everything she is not.

Haha.

I guess when you alone, like ped, you have mo one to point out your idiocy.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 17, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promise land".

Ped is a follower???

Posted by: Moonbat | February 17, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

actually, you posted way more than I did, Joke -- I just don't waste the time to tally it up. You [drivl, 37] people are pathetic losers.

And now the good news for the day:

'While opponents of allowing gay men and women to serve openly in the military often talk about the effect that it will have on troop morale and cohesion, McClatchy reports that at a recent forum with Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen in Jordan, there was “little resistance” to repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell from the servicemembers:

As it turned out, none of the two dozen or so men or women who met with Mullen at Marine House in the Jordanian capital Tuesday had any questions on the 17-year-old policy that bars gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military — or Mullen’s public advocacy of its repeal.

Air Force Chief Master Sgt. Darryl E. Robinson, who’s the operations coordinator for defense attache’s office at the U.S. Embassy here, explained why after the session. “The U.S. military was always at the forefront of social change,” he said. “We didn’t wait for laws to change.”

Mullen later said that since his Capitol Hill testimony on the need to repeal DADT, he hasn’t had a single servicemember raise the issue with him in the three town hall sessions he’s held. Troops told McClatchy that the policy change wasn’t a big issue because they’ve “already served with gays and lesbians, they accepted that some kind of change was imminent, and, they said, the nation was too engulfed in two wars for a prolonged debate about it.”

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

drivl, moonbat, snobama, zouk, whoever you are today--

that you would spend the time collecting my posts, considering that you have had many more -- like every two minutes for hours -- only confirms your weird obsession with me.

what a sorry loser.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

At least I didn't post THIS many times today:

==

not for lack of free time, LOSER

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

On the contrary...the most likely Republican presidential candidate...Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachuesetts, will have ample enough, documented record of the Obama's administration handling of our national security and the direct threat from the Islamic radical extremist, over the next few years.

One only has to look at the arrest of the #2 Taliban leader by the Pakistanis and the growing concerns of the Pakistanis and what it will mean for them.

Again, President Obama will be vulnerable on his foreign policy affairs...it is not his forte.

==
 
Verbose.  You could just call them “jihadists” but you seem compelled to string together scary words.  “Islamic radical extremist[s],” wow let’s all hide under the bed.  
 
Anyway .. you’ve not made much of a point.  Romney will probably be the fall-guy nominee but he won’t be able to make much of security cred as a former governor of MA busy running from his essentially centrist record trying to get elected as a “radical extremist” Republican by an electorate that’s neither radical nor extremist (Republicans aside, I mean).  Obama will have four years of direct experience, Romney zero.  What was your point again?
 
And oh, when Obama shows security muscle you wring handkerchiefs in anguish that the “Islamic radical extremist[s]” might not like it.  Should Obama have sought to appease the Taliban so you could trot out the Neville Chamberlain references?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

At least I didn't post THIS many times today:

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:32 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:42 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:44 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:57 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:59 PM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:02 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:16 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:24 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:27 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:21 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:45 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:47 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:48 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:07 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:12 AM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:20 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:23 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:24 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:25 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:25 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:27 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:28 AM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:30 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:34 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:42 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:51 AM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:03 AM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:24 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:35 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:38 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:44 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:47 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:50 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:58 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:10 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:26 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:29 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:38 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:50 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:52 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:07 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:10 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:13 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:14 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:25 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 5:55 PM

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

If Obama had taken the money and just hired people - at 30K each that would be


26 MILLION JOBS


There are only 15 Million people unemployed, they could have hired everyone who is unemployed !!!


The money was diverted to democratic special interests.


Obama is a miserable failure - and all Obama does is go out there and LIE.


OBAMA LIED - OBAMA LIED - OBAMA LIED.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Over four thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel :
"pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promise land".

==

kiddy fables from the blue picture book in the dentist's waiting room?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about your idiotic childish neologisms, hick

Posted by: Noacoler
----------------------------------------
Especially other NeoCom Statists.

Over four thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel :
"pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promise land".
Nearly 75 years ago , Roosevelt said: " Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel, this is the promised land".
Now Obama is going to steal your shovel, kick your asses, raise the price of camels, and mortgage the promised land.

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Zouk takes his meals down to the basement. He'd rather eat there anyway to post his rants but now he has an excuse: he hates mom's new boyfriend and his trucker talk.

Hope she marries him zouk and he takes the belt to you, buckle first, for "talking back.". That would rock.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

On the contrary...the most likely Republican presidential candidate...Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachuesetts, will have ample enough, documented record of the Obama's administration handling of our national security and the direct threat from the Islamic radical extremist, over the next few years.

Aside from President Obama's early months in the White House and his radical statements regarding the image of America that the world sees (it was a negative image of a world super-power that has a coercive affect on the less powerful:) Now, President Obama seems to be flexing his authority in a manner that fits his original negative assessments, to the extent of actually becoming more aggresive than President Bush, who was referred as a...cowboy.

President Obama's foreign policy is filled with envoys flying around the world, meeting leaders, issuing statements and accomplishing nothing while President Obama sits above it all, not involved in critical matters of security. It is a foreign policy of ambiguities, confusion and uncertainties.

One only has to look at the arrest of the #2 Taliban leader by the Pakistanis and the growing concerns of the Pakistanis and what it will mean for them.

Again, President Obama will be vulnerable on his foreign policy affairs...it is not his forte.

Posted by: adamscar | February 17, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

5 people on this thread, all day. 'drivel' and his drivel, plus 37 and joke's constant whining -- killing the fix.

oh well, it was inevitable. they have nothing else to do.

repugs getting so loony they believe bush and cheney behind 9/11:

Recently, a truther organization called “We Are The Change” spoke to Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) — a friend of Glen Beck and a frequent guest on his show — about reopening an investigation into 9/11. Chaffetz agreed with the activist, and even noted that he had spoken to professor Steven Jones, leading 9/11 truther, who Chaffetz said had done “interesting work”:

Q: A reopening into the investigation of 9/11?

CHAFFETZ: Well there’s a lot we still need to learn. Of course we want to look into that issue, look at every aspect of it. [...] Who was the BYU professor? [...] Steve Jones, yeah I’ve met with him. He’s done some interesting work.

Q: Have you given much thought to the possibility it was a falsified terrorist attack on 9/11?

CHAFFETZ: Well I know there’s still a lot to learn about what happened and what didn’t happen, we should be vigilant and continue to investigate that, absolutely.

Q: Appreciate that. We at We Are The Change believe it was a falsified terrorist attack, that the buildings came down with internally placed demolition. "

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey drivl-tard, gotta go for a while. Say "Hi" to your mom for me at the dinner table. Don't forget to eat your broccoli! I'll catch up with you later; after your mom gives you your bath.

Posted by: jasperanselm | February 17, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about your idiotic childish neologisms, hick

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

If only Obama really was a Socialist.. we'd be in much better shape, instead of being the financially-driven free market sh^thole we've descended to.

Posted by: Noacoler
------------------------------------------
Technically he's a NeoCom Statist.

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Please don't worry about Germany and Japan. They are fine. Worry about the severe financial conditions of several EU countries that are socialist paradises that BO is trying to emulate

==

it'd be easy to make the case that you're a Perl script. You parse a post for trigger words and issue a canned right wing rant based on the words you run across.

If only Obama really was a Socialist.. we'd be in much better shape, instead of being the financially-driven free market sh^thole we've descended to.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Why do liberals always end up describing themselves in their rants and tirades. are they that unaware of themselves?:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hint, loser: people with real lives wouldn't be on a stupid GOP-puff blog 16 hours a day, 365 days a year, posting under a dozen monikers (after being banned for nastiness several times). They'd be out travelling, getting laid, enjoying life.

You don't do any of that. You sleep with your head on your keyboard and posting your hatred of everyone is the apotheosis of your pathetic. Wretched. Existence.

Tell us about your village in vietnam again, dreamer.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

From the "guy" who hosts the all night show at the Fix. all the hate you can swallow. and swallowing is important in Ped's world.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Awwww. Ped has a little friend. how cute. you know what that involves right?

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Worried about RUSSIA?!?

Gee, I'm losing sleep worrying about Germany and Japan. And I hope King George III doesn't invade the colonies to keep us in line.

Who the hell needs a boondoggle like the F22?

Posted by: Noacoler
------------------------------------------
Please don't worry about Germany and Japan. They are fine. Worry about the severe financial conditions of several EU countries that are socialist paradises that BO is trying to emulate.

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Zook = Wizard of Oz

Behind the curtain .........all hat and no cattle.

Posted by: jasperanselm | February 17, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Worried about RUSSIA?!?

Gee, I'm losing sleep worrying about Germany and Japan. And I hope King George III doesn't invade the colonies to keep us in line.

Who the hell needs a boondoggle like the F22?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

You really think anyone doesn't know you're lying about your fabulous "life," zouk?

Hint, loser: people with real lives wouldn't be on a stupid GOP-puff blog 16 hours a day, 365 days a year, posting under a dozen monikers. They'd be out travelling, getting laid, enjoying life.

You don't do any of that. You sleep with your head on your keyboard and posting your hatred of your president is the apotheosis of your pathetic. Wretched. Existence.

Tell us about your fleet of yachts again, dreamer.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Ostenatiious displays of angry queenery are so 1984.

Was that pre-combover, post stutter?

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Lib "leadership":

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) lacks the votes to begin debating his targeted job bills, according to sources monitoring the legislation. Reid needs 60 votes to open debate on the $15 billion jobs bill up.

Posted by: drivl
-------------------------------------------
If a third of the stimulus did it's job and saved the world then why would they need the rest of it and why is Obama pushing congress for a so called jobs bill to do what he said the stimulus did? Is this a trick?

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Liberalism can get you killed.

Posted by: drivl

Oh, sure, drivl-tard, there's plenty of money for weapons but none for healthcare.

I'll tell you what. Since we already have no money in the budget; I'll agree to a tax increase to pay for your weapons that we don't need if you agree to a tax increase to pay for healthcare reform that we do need. Deal?

Posted by: jasperanselm | February 17, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Why would I want a boat or a Porsche? Ostenatiious displays of wealth are so 1964.

Posted by: Noacoler
---------------------------------------
To try to keep up with the Gore's and their nice houseboat.

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Liberalism can get you killed:

In an open-source assessment of Russia's Sukhoi PAK-FA, aka the Raptor Killer, Air Power Australia concludes, "once the PAK-FA is deployed within a theatre of operations, especially if it is supported robustly by counter-VLO capable ISR systems, the United States will no longer have the capability to rapidly impose air superiority, or possibly even achieve air superiority." Moreover, the Obama administration's decision to kill the F-22 air superiority fighter in favor of the multi-role F-35 Joint Strike Fighter may prove disastrous, as "the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter struggles to survive against the conventional Su-35BM Flanker…

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Lib "leadership":

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) lacks the votes to begin debating his targeted job bills, according to sources monitoring the legislation. Reid needs 60 votes to open debate on the $15 billion jobs bill up. The vote is scheduled for Monday, when lawmakers return from the Presidents’ Day recess. “I understand Reid does not have the votes for cloture on Monday on his jobs bill,” one source said. A Reid spokesman said the vote is in the hands of Republicans. Democrats have 59 senators in their conference.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Sure thing, drivl-tard, we are so jealous of you!

Living in your mom's basement, using her computer all day while she works and you collect your unemployment check, having her do all your laundry, make your meals and clean your room for you.

Does she take care of anything else for you or do you contract out for that service?

You, are the one who needs a life. Blogging all day, in multiple names (because you think no-one knows!) on CC's blog even after he bans you multiple times.
That, is the definition of pathetic.

Posted by: jasperanselm | February 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

they don't suck.

this may be contrary to your entire reason for living obviously.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Why would I want a boat or a Porsche? Ostenatiious displays of wealth are so 1964.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Always with the envy Ped? why not actually do some work at your job and strive for success? you could have a boat someday, drive a Porsche, get a first friend. you will, of course, have to stop hating rich people if you want to be one or hang around them. We don't like ignorant agitators.

I understand this is totally contrary to everything you and barry stand for - success, wealth, happiness, work, play, travel on your own dime, education, family, etc.

you will probably just remain an angry inbred with no life and a lifetime of hate and envy to spew at whoever will listen, which seems to be a dwindling pool. Angry, ranting queens are really not that amusing any longer. We had enough of them in the 80s when it was novel. Now it is simply tired and old, like you.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I really can't see the fanatics in the democratic party dumping Obama - they would rather race the lemmings in Madagascar than do something that is smart.


Having said that...


Does anyone remember all the trash talk in the democratic party in the spring of 2008 - how the blacks would never forgive the democrats if they were seen as "stealing" the nomination from a half-black man ????


It was like "you will be dead to me" kind of stuff.


If Obama had any self-respect, he would save his party its majorities in both Houses of Congress and resign now.


Does Obama really want to be responsible for the loss of all those leadership positions, all those committee positions, and all those staff positions?


It is just not right -


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I can't see David Petraeus seeking the Republican nomination for President of the United States. Sarah Palin and other Tea Partiers would find some way to call him a socialist on social and domestic policy matters. I could, however, see him as a possible VEEP candidate. In a way, the Republican Party is already becoming the Tea Party because there's no leadership. Tim Pawlenty is a terrible governor here in Minnesota, and none of the other Republicans being mentioned have done nothing new to show brilliant leadership qualities that people can jump up and down to.

Posted by: cags777 | February 17, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Then stop stalking me and figure out some more productive way to spend your time. You might count the patterns in the wallpaper in mom's living room, the one you're supposed to stay out of unless mom has "company."

how's that fantastic five-star life thing going? Say hi to your supermodel wives for me.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey drivl-tard, only cowards use multiple names.

Grow some cojones, sister.

Oh, I hear your mom calling. She wants you to get off her computer and take the garbage out.

Posted by: jasperanselm | February 17, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

You sicken me, Ped.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

You crack me up, zouk

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Watch out. swingsets are the Ped domain. And she rules it with a fist, for you know what. what a cute little twinkie, combover, stutter, height challenged and ignorant. always fondly recalling the shower scenes in the academy where all the derangement began.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

sat = say darn spellchecker winky winky winky

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less what Barack "Carter" Obama has to say anymore.

==

and in a visually pleasing symmetry, nobody ever cared what you have to sat, and nobody cares now. So why don't you ask mommy if you can go play on the swingset.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

the day would not be complete without the appearance of the fourth stooge DDAWD.

what enlightenment have you brought for us today Schempf?

A broken link. but you outdo yourself. I'm sure you'll be counting to 20 with shoes on in no time.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris, your link to Palin's missive actually goes to Pawlenty's health care piece.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Once more, for the West Coast...


WARNING: You are entering a political blog spam zone.

• Are taxpayers footing the bill for black op "computer perps?"

Roslyn Mazer: Alert the DNI. This is not tradecraft.

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor
http://nowpublic.com/world/how-u-s-spy-ops-censor-web-political-speech
NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Silently Tortures..." & "Gestapo USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

dropdeadpolitics:

YOU are the one who claims "I am sure if [I] cared to pour through the transcript I could find many more of his lies and distortions." I am the only one who QUOTES alleged lies and then proves they are not lies. I'm happy to let the lurkers decide.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

37th:

I couldn't care less what Barack "Carter" Obama has to say anymore.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2
drivl
37thand0street
Why bother or get upset over drindl's dopey comments, when SHE is obviously a very un-educated left-wing loon, who'd support and defend HER tin foil god Obama even if he governs like Idi Amin, Adolph Hitler, Joe Stalin, or Pol Pot? There's no point debating a ideologe. Even her blog handle SHE uses "drindl", is a give-away to HER low-life standard. It's spelt-wrong German and is: dirndl--(which means) peasant girl, slave, maid, or servant girl (look it up, it's in Websters).

Posted by: armpeg | February 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

@Jake

What you meant to say was "I will be happy to create a straw man in the hopes you fall for it"...
http://dropdeadpolitics.com/

Posted by: dropdeadpolitics | February 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


Let's take a look at Obama's speech to Congress in September and see if there are any lies in there.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

drivl

Actually, I think the rubber room looks pretty good compared to this crew.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

OK, I will be happy to re-litigate the 16 words in the SOTU as not a "lie" either:

"The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I have never "pound my pud" to images of Sarah Palin with her finger on the blinking red button.

Posted by: JakeD2

JokeD doesn't waste his little blue pills on psycho sarah; he's a coulter man. Either way, the appropriate response is "eeeewwww"!

Posted by: jasperanselm | February 17, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

@Jake

Get off it already. Cheney is an established liar evidenced by his rhetoric leading up to the Iraq war. I am sure if cared to pour through the transcript I could find many more of his lies and distortions. Problem is I could careless about your assertions and know that no matter what evidence I put forth you would spin away in favor of the Party. Cheney is where he belongs..powerless and yesterday's news.

http://dropdeadpolitics.com/

Posted by: dropdeadpolitics | February 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

A day in the "life" of an asylum out patient:

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:32 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:42 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:44 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:57 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:59 PM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:02 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:16 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:24 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:27 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:21 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:45 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:47 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:48 PM

On the other thread:

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:07 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:12 AM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:20 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:23 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:24 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:25 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:25 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:27 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:28 AM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:30 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:34 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:42 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 10:51 AM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:03 AM |
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:24 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:35 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:38 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:44 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:47 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:50 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 11:58 AM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:10 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:26 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:29 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:38 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:50 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:52 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:07 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:10 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:13 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:14 PM
Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:25 PM

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The filibuster used to be 67 votes - before that it was 96 votes.

60 is good.

The filibuster forces everyone to compromise - the democrats don't do that - Obama campaigned on bipartisan compromise - and he got to Washington and Obama did not do that.


Obama failed the democrats.

The democrats put a person in with little experience - they were warned and warned and warned.


NOW the democrats want to blame the Republicans because Obama doesn't know what he is doing -

It really is a joke.

Everyone told you not to vote for someone with such little experience.

IT IS YOUR FAULT.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Except for you, drindl.

(P.S. to 37th: you're welcome ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 17, 2010 12:50 PM
Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 12:58 PM
Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 17, 2010 1:40 PM

oh look, 37, jake and drivl have driven everyone else away. just like every day.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM |


the list of "everyone else" includes several stooges, a dingbat and a moron. We can now call them the six percenters. they still believe. you know global warming, Obama, hope, change, la de dah!!! the angriest bunch of misfits you are likely ever to meet outside the rubber room.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

'Former Alaska governor and Fox News 'analyst' Sarah Palin spoke to a crowd of Republican Party activists in Arkansas yesterday, where she lavished praise on the Tea Party movement and played down speculation that she might run for president in 2012. She also then mocked Twitter:

When she was asked what she believed was the number one threat to America today, several audience members shouted, “Obama!”

Arkansas Republican Party Chairman Doyle Webb, who moderated the Q&A session, responded by adding, “Besides Obama.”

Palin then chimed in as many in the crowd laughed.

“See, they said that, I didn’t,” she said. “Just you watch now, too, because somebody will be here with their little Twittering thing, and it’s going to be on the Internet any minute now.“

It’s unclear what Palin has against the “little Twittering thing,” considering she is also on Twitter (@SarahPalinUSA) and has actually been noted for supposed new media saviness. Last night’s event in Little Rock’s 18,000-seat Verizon Arena had a significant number of empty seats. In fact, fewer than half the seats “in the lower bowl were occupied, and the entire upper level was shrouded by black drapes.” In the hours before the Palin event, “the Arkansas GOP was advertising on its web site a heavily discounted ‘$20 ticket special.'

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


Thank you for pointing that out - the complete lack of on the part of democrats to say exactly what they claim was the lie.

The only they can say is the shoe bomber -

However, it is important to point out that the shoe bomber took place in Dec 2001 - and the policies were still in evolution.

The priority after 9/11 was Afghanistan - not the finer points of what to do with al queda captures after the battle began.


In addition, the fire at ground zero was still burning when the shoe bomber was arrested.


It was so soon after the fact that it really is a deception to say that what happened with the shoe bomber was Bush's eventual policy.


Thank you.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

bayh's right about this:

However, this afternoon on MSNBC, departing Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) disagreed with his two colleagues, saying that filibuster reform is absolutely necessary:

MITCHELL: Do you think the filibuster can be changed? Could that happen now while you are still in the Senate?

BAYH: I think it can happen, Andrea. … I think this is something we need to do. Perhaps looking at changing the threshold once again down to 55. Perhaps saying things like administration appointees other than the various highest ones should not be subject to the filibuster, because it just brought the process to a halt and the public is suffering. … The public has a right to see its business done and not routinely allow a small minority to keep us from addressing the great issues that face this country. I think the filibuster absolutely needs to be changed.

Watch it:

As Bayh also pointed out, changing the filibuster is not without precedent. During the civil rights debates that his father, senator Birch Bayh, participated in, the filibuster “was being used to frustrate some basic fundamental equities in this country.” In 1975, the threshold then “reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths.”

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) is “actively” supporting filibuster reform and is reportedly “in talks with a number of other Democratic senators regarding possible changes to Senate rules.” Vice President Biden, formerly a veteran senator, also expressed frustration with the current situation in a recent interview with CBS News, saying, “I don’t ever recall a time in my career where to get anything done, you needed a supermajority, 60 out of 100 senators. You can block anything with 60 (votes). I’ve never seen it this dysfunctional.”

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

except for armpit, the 4th stooge.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

You know that Barack Obama is in trouble to get re-elected in 2012 when even his diehard liberal Democrap Socialist adoring fans like Chris here, are debating who Obama's GOP and Democrap Socialist opponent will be 3 years from now.
What they're doing of course, is what's called whisteling past the graveyard.
They know that Obama's presidentcy is already a failed one, and the American people that once supported him (exept for his racist tribal members who'll support him no matter what he does) are having buyers remorse after seeing him try to push his radical Communist aganda down their throats. You'd think that this dope, and his Democrap Socialist Party, would have learned from the last couple of elections in NJ, Va., and Mass. that the overwhelming number of Americans reject his/their Socialist/Communist makeover for our country attempt, but you'd be wrong. These ideologes all have this idea that they know better; that they are the peoples rulers and betters; that we're just the peons too stupid to think for ourselves, and that they're the ruling class and should guide our every move like slavemaster to slave.
Chris here, like the rest of the Democrap Socialist--controlled Main Stream Media, is doing his/their part helping and promoting the Democrap Socialist's agenda though. Notice his blogs. Just about every one is either a cheap shot and put-down at some GOP possible future contender (Palin, Cheney, Pawlenty, Gingrich, Steele, et al), or is a blog designed to slime conservatives, Tea Party members, Christians, or Republicans in congress who don't go along with everything Obama and the Democrap Socialists do. Also noticable is Chris's and the MSM's double standard and outrages of news that would do political damage to their Democrap Socialist Party.
Consiter the most recent news story re. Amy Butler. There was no mention that she was a Obama worshipper and worked within her academe community to get him elected. No mention that she was a far-left loon, that had probably murdered her brother back in 1986, and that there was a big cover-up going on to get her off because her politically powerful family was "connected" to the Mass. Democrap machine. No mention that she was suspected, and questioned about a pipe-bomb murder attempt of a professor who was about to give her a bad tenure rating. Compare that news story to the news story that had a conservative Republican as the perp. When the abortion Doctor George Tiller was murdered by Christian (and probably Republican) Scott Roeder, the MSM's reporting was on a daily basis, was above the fold news, was reported on every channel on TV daily, and Chris here ran probably a dozen blogs whining about it, giving evey minor or major detail about it.
They're silence re. Amy Butler is deafening.

Posted by: armpeg | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

oh look, 37, jake and drivl have driven everyone else away. just like every day.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

If Obama had taken the money and just hired people - at 30K each that would be


26 MILLION JOBS


There are only 15 Million people unemployed, they could have hired everyone who is unemployed !!!


The money was diverted to democratic special interests.


Obama is a miserable failure - and all Obama does is go out there and LIE.


OBAMA LIED - OBAMA LIED - OBAMA LIED.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Are there any Norfolk Academy grads around here that are not shower stalkers?

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

If anyone else [variable text] please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD2

==

see anyone else here begging for responses?

any clue why you need to?

try to figure it out, wretch

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

Almost makes you wish that "bsimon1" would come back (again, almost ; )

If anyone else has an alleged "lie" from the Cheney transcript on Sunday (I'm not interested in re-litigating every word uttered by the man since grade school), please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It's just that no one is interested enough in what you have to say, joke.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of my posting or not, no one on ANY OF THE INTERNETS can point out a single, specific instance of any alleged "lie" by Cheney now THREE days later. Curious indeed.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

What was curious, to me at least, is that Biden taped his "Meet the Press" appearance on Saturday night from Vancouver BEFORE Cheney's interview was even broadcast. How did Biden know that Cheney was "misinformed or misinforming" before it was broadcast, or was he going to attack him even if Cheney had offered a mea culpa: "I apologize for my war crimes" and Obama should be given the benefit of the doubt?

Why can no one point out a single, specific instance of any alleged "lie" by Cheney now THREE days later? Where are all of those AP factcheckers when you need them?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I posted the Cheney transcript from "This Week" on that prior thread and NO ONE could point to a single "lie". I thought it would be so easy, given the rants about Cheney by all the libs. They are all lying cowards.

==

Nobody bothers to respond to you idiot blog clog. If you want to flatter yourself that pasting swaths of some interview shows your intellectual superiority then knock yourself out, and remember that line about winning the Special Olympics.

Poor wretched Jake. "I'm significant! I matter! People take me seriously!"

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Ouch!

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I posted the Cheney transcript from "This Week" on that prior thread and NO ONE could point to a single "lie". I thought it would be so easy, given the rants about Cheney by all the libs. They are all lying cowards.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Ped, shouldn't you be consulting with your combover artist and relationsship coach? I heard the stuttering lessons are going well.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

DDAWD will NEVER live up to the level of rantings and ravings by koolkat_1960. I almost miss him (almost ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

A battle ensues between one vice president who defended freedom well and another who sorely needs his boss's teleprompter. Biden accuses Cheney of rewriting history while claiming that Iraq is this administration's victory.

Maybe Vice President Joe Biden should think about writing talking points on his hand as his rhetoric reaches levels of absurdity where no politician has gone before. After last weekend's round of competitive gabfests, one would expect to see a billboard of former Vice President Dick Cheney with a caption, "Miss me yet?" We do, sir, we do.

After yeoman service helping President Bush fight the war on terror, Cheney has refused to let others make the history of those times a lie agreed upon. Vice President Biden has been designated the attack dog of this administration and in a carefully orchestrated set of appearances sought to blunt Cheney's observation that in the war on terror our current emperors are wearing no clothes.

Appearing first on NBC's "Meet the Press," Biden said the Iraq War hadn't been worth its "horrible price" in blood, treasure and other nations' support. Of Cheney, he said, "He is either misinformed or misinforming."

Yet Biden, as Cheney pointed out Sunday on ABC, opposed both the war and the surge he recently took credit for on "Larry King Live." "I am very optimistic about Iraq," Biden told the CNN host. "I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration." Come again? This administration?

"I'm glad he now believes Iraq is a success," Cheney said, adding that Biden and Obama crisscrossed the country during the campaign, criticizing the Bush administration on both Iraq and the surge. "For them to try and take credit for what happened in Iraq strikes me as a little strange."

Someone alert me if biden ever starts making sense. I thought his title was Court Jester. His actions certainly are. He reminds me of Nichelson at the end of cuckoo's nest. dribbl's perfect date.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I have never "pound my pud" to images of Sarah Palin with her finger on the blinking red button.

==

"For the record" you do exactly that figuratively right here every day of the year. "For the record" it's not any stretch of the imagination that you do the same literally as often as the shrivelled little thing can response to your moist palm.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

the lack of self respect of those still believing.


Posted by: leapin


their numbers are down to six percent. I think most of them post here, the ones that are not locked up in a mental institute, that is.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Stooge, I thought you retired.
how does one retire from doing nothin, Ace?

the average IQ had shot up to almost 60 in your absence. now it is certainly tumbling back down to Ped/dribbl/Loud and DUmb levels in the 20s.

too late curly, DDawd took over your stooge position and Baghdad BJ is looking to come on as well.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I have never "pound my pud" to images of Sarah Palin with her finger on the blinking red button.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

'There is an unfocused but growing anger in the country — and it should come as no surprise. '

yeah -- too many idiots listen to limbaugh and beck.

Posted by: drindl
-------------------------------------------
Too many idiots listened to Obama and Biden. Many are remorseful for letting emotion overtake their other senses and voting for them. Many others are rightfully angered that they believed the lies and others wonder about the lack of self respect of those still believing.

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yet, GWB was re-elected, and Obama will be defeated, all with "zero" credibility on national security.

Palin-Petraeus 2012!

==

and McCain got his azz whipped running as GWB's third term. Try to keep up, OK?

Another Palin dream ticket? This is, what, forty or so by now? Newsflash, loser, Petraeus has a brain and nobody with a brain is going to given your love object the bleedin' time of day. Also, he's not running.

Hope she is though, Obama could use a few extra years to get it together.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm taking a break from my self-imposed exile from this slopfest to note my disgust at the fact that joked is still pounding his pud to images of Sarah Palin with her finger on the blinking red button.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

I thought, for a moment yesterday, that it was actually our very own "drindl". But, then she posted.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

dropdeadpolitics:

We'll see.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

the eventual actions of all kooky liberals:

Apparently an Obama fan, living in a small town who was bitter and angry at losing her job, who felt the proper folks weren't paying attention to all her wonderful work, took the words of her idol to heart and skillfully--and tragically--once again using a gun shot and killed three colleagues at the University of Alabama. According to the Boston Herald


A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.


Naturally this information is buried deep in a profile of Amy Bishop, the alleged shooter. Had she been of another political persuasion would it have been more prominently reported? Just asking.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Liberals are at it again. They are worrying that the U.S. is "ungovernable." Political scientist Jay Cost has the details:


Ezra Klein argued that it was time to reform the filibuster because the government cannot function with it intact anymore. Tom Friedman suggested that America's "political instability" was making people abroad nervous. And Michael Cohen of Newsweek blamed "obstructionist Republicans," "spineless Democrats," and an "incoherent public" for the problem.


Liberals were saying exactly the same thing in 1980, thirty years ago, in the darkest days of the Carter administration. The mess of inflation, recession, Iran hostages, and gas lines, they decided, was not a direct result of stupid Carter administration policy. It was a sign that America's best days were behind us, and that there was nothing to do but decline gracefully.


You'll remember that U.S. voters in the fall of 1980 had a different idea. They decided to elect a B-movie actor to the presidency. Yes, that's what liberals called Ronald Reagan back then. Clark Clifford, the "wise man of Washington," hadn't even thought of calling him an "amiable dunce." Not yet.


The Amiable Dunce proceeded to cut tax rates. He strengthened the dollar and cut government spending. It wasn't so much governing as getting government out of the way. The result was a twenty-year boom. And now here we are back where we started, with a nasty economy, a soft dollar, a failed presidency, and another generation of liberals complaining that the U.S. is ungovernable

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The Democrat party is now the party of National Security. After suffering the worst attack in American history under the watch of a GOP and two poorly executed wars it's clear the GOP is inept on national security. The recent successes in Afghanistan and Pakistan demonstrate that the Democrat party is far more capable of executing our foreign policy.

http://dropdeadpolitics.com/

Posted by: dropdeadpolitics | February 17, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Yet, GWB was re-elected, and Obama will be defeated, all with "zero" credibility on national security.

Palin-Petraeus 2012!

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

TO EVERYONE


Even if the stimulus bill did create 2.5 million jobs - which is highly questionable.


Let's calculate it out.


787 Billion dollars divided by 2.5 million jobs is $314,000 PER JOB


Obama and the democrats diverted this money to democratic special interests - this is not a stimulus bill - it is a joke.

Obama has not rescued the economy - Obama tried to sink the economy under his egotistical health care bill.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

THE RS PRESIDED OVER THE BIGGEST ATTACK ON US SOIL IN MODERN HISTORY.

they have zero credibility on national security.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama is weak on national security in several tangible areas.


Obama is so bad, he is risking our national security and American lives in some vain quest to prove that Bush was wrong on some academic point which matters only to Obama.

It is the worst manifestation of ego since Napolean.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I see the blog is now flooded with illiterate nonsense from the crazed six percenters.

the third stooge must be still sleeping it off from Mardi Gras. At least he gets out of the house occasionally. not like Ped and dribbl. Ped, where did you find a service that delivers from the sandbox?

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

'There is an unfocused but growing anger in the country — and it should come as no surprise. '

yeah -- too many idiots listen to limbaugh and beck.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Upon what basis does anyone assume that Gen. Petraeus is a R? Statistical likelihood [I agree it is likely based on his age and service profile]? A stated preference by him?
Reports from colleagues? What?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

TO EVERYONE


Even if the stimulus bill did create 2.5 million jobs - which is highly questionable.


Let's calculate it out.


787 Billion dollars divided by 2.5 million jobs is $314,000 PER JOB

Obama and the democrats diverted this money to democratic special interests - this is not a stimulus bill - it is a joke.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I don't pray for another attack (Obama is making it more likely though ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

There Jokes goes again, praying for another attack on US soil...

Geena Davis? Why, you're right -- she'd make a better president than Palin.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the next 9/11 (or worse) will finally convince some of you that we're still "at war."

==

same old JakeD, on his knees, hands folded, praying that harm comes to his country

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

After the mass murdering at Fort Hood, the Christmas Day bombing plot, the popular outrage over offering a civilian trial in New York to the architect of 9/11, and the snubbing of American outreach by a soon-to-be-nuclear Iran, there's less reason than ever to accept a therapeutic approach to dealing with radical Islamic terrorism.

There is an unfocused but growing anger in the country — and it should come as no surprise. Nobody likes to be lectured by those claiming superior wisdom but often lacking common sense about everything from out-of-control spending and predicting the weather to dealing with enemies who are trying to kill us all.

Posted by: leapin | February 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else watch that "Commander in Chief" tv show with Geena Davis?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone else?"

Bzzzzzt. Click! Whrrrrrrrrrr...

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Peeedddd!

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the next 9/11 (or worse) will finally convince some of you that we're still "at war."

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin would make a better Commander IN Chief than Barack Obama has.

==

a defiant assertion with zero factual basis.

In love with that idiot woman, Jake? She already wants to invade ANOTHER country, one very well armed, trained and equipped. By showing no awareness of our state of readiness she's already proven you wrong.

Why don't you decorate her Runner's World pics some more.

Hahahahah President Palin, what a sick joke.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to mention tht was the annual CPAC event.

'Bowling with Mitt" "Late Night with TPaw"

stop, it's too funny....

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Other speakers from at this year's event also represent the conservative pushback against the mainstream GOP. Confirmed speakers include Dick Armey, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), Liz Cheney and Ron Paul. But there are plenty of speakers from the mainstream scheduled to speak as well, including former Bush administration Attorney General John Ashcroft, Newt Gingrich and George Will.

Many of the 2012 GOP presidential field will be on hand as well, with the notable exception of Sarah Palin, who declined an invitation to speak at the event for the second year in a row. Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Mike Pence, Rick Santorum and Gingrich will be there, though, giving political prognosticators something to write about other than Rubio.

Outside the hotel, the social scene will be 100% conservative as well. Politico published this list of CPAC parties, which include "Bowling With Mitt" and "Late Night With T-Paw." The biggest event on the social calendar isn't focused on a current GOP politician however. Politico reports that the "the climax of the week" will be "the sixth annual 'Reaganpalooza,'" where attendees pack a Capitol Hill bar and "drink one for the Gipper."

Did you ever see such a pack of aging white losers? Heehaw!

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks DICK for keeping the memory alive ... what we hated about the Bush administration.

Snarling old coot still gets ideogical wood out of imagining we're "at war."

Posted by: Noacoler | February 17, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How can Palin pick up her game, margaret? She, like of the Rs merely parrots Bill Kristol's neocon blathering about 'playing the war card' and invading Iran. It's obvious she doesn't have a clue.

And I seriously doubt talking about invading Iran will, ah, resonate with the public right now. I really doubt many are enthusiastic to spill more blood and money over -- what, exactly?

As Admiral Mullen said, "if you like Iraq and Afghanistan, you'll love Iran."

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

Sarah Palin would make a better Commander IN Chief than Barack Obama has.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 17, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Vice President Joe Biden will meet with President Barack Obama later today to report on the failure of this mission. I was able to get an advance copy of this semi-scripted event, with the president speaking from the teleprompter, as he always does when speaking to school children, and with Vice President Biden doing his part by speaking out of turn and acting as the class clown. Here is the copy of today's conversation in the Oval Office:

Veep: Hey, POTUS, notice anything different about me?

President: You look as goofy as ever to me.

Veep: The tan, man, the tan. We could be bros, bro. I got that from spending half the damned day in a solar panel factory in Saginaw, Michigan, of all places. Talk about a boondoggle! Why are we wasting taxpayers' money on this kind of stuff?

President: You said it yourself, Joe. It's that 'three-letter word,' as you called it: J-O-B-S, jobs. Remember, that's why I sent you to Saginaw. You were supposed to bring back proof of all those green jobs we're creating.

Veep (laughing): That's a good one, Mr. President, but let's be serious here. If it's green jobs we want, why not spend our money making leprechauns and green beer on St. Patrick's Day?

President: So tell me at least one job I've created.

Veep: You're making this too easy for me, Mr. President. You gave me my job. Who else would have done that, especially after I called you the "storybook" man -- "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy"?

President: You may be the vice president, but remember who is running the show here. I am the change we seek. You -- and the rest of the universe -- are just along for the ride.

Veep: My, my, my! Aren't we being a tad delusional? Just joking, Mr. President. You know me.

President: Yes, I know you. And now I want you to stop joking and get serious about telling people about all the good things that have happened because I decided to go on a spending rampage. Tell them about all those 'green jobs' that we are creating. And don't forget to tell them that none of this is going to add a dime to the deficit. Not one single dime. Now get the hell out of here.

Andrew B. Wilson, a former Business Week bureau chief in Dallas and London, is a freelance writer living in St. Louis, Missouri.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Even Libs are beginning to figure it out now. From the hyper liberal WaPo:

It's past time for President Obama
to show some leadership
Washington Post, by Steven Pearlstein

It's a rotten time in Washington, and I'm not just talking about the snow. Health-care reform, financial regulation, the jobs bill, the long-term budget deficit, energy and climate change -- everywhere you turn, there's political stalemate. Poll numbers are plummeting, and many good people either have been reduced to shameless pandering (John McCain) or are simply giving up and going home (Byron Dorgan, Evan Bayh, Billy Tauzin).

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I think National Defense is an area where positioning yourself as an outsider works against you politically. We really want someone who is insider enough that they are well-informed and current. Folks like Huckabee, Pawlenty and Palin will have to pick up their game and show some awareness

Obama is experienceing success here because he delegates to the best available minds and accepts their decision making. Cheney has a long history in National Defense, but his is the only counsel he feels he needs. Still, Obama kept Gates and many of the professionals Cheney used.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"What's happened is, I think, over the last 10 to 15 years, is that the the conservative movement has become too aligned with the Republican Party. In the sense that the Republican Party began to speak for the conservative movement," he said.

Perkins said now you start to see conservative leaders and members of the tea party movement speaking out to say, "We're not going to let the Republican Party define what conservatism is, we are."

Go for it, nutbags.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

– Top Republican Senate Recruits Are Stimulus Hypocrites: As ThinkProgress reported, Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE), a candidate for Senate, touted over $5 million in stimulus programs he voted to kill. Rep. Mark Kirk (R-IL), the GOP nominee for Senate in Illinois, signed a letter urging Gov. Pat Quinn to provide “Recovery Act (ARRA) funding to expand the Illinois Community College Sustainability Network.”

– GOP Leadership Leads The Way In Hypocrisy: Although he regularly slams the stimulus as a waste while in DC, McConnell has returned to Kentucky to take credit for stimulus programs, even taking time to request more funds. ThinkProgress attended two job fairs held by Cantor, where we found dozens of employers able to hire directly because of the stimulus. Indeed, even Boehner’s office released a statement boasting that the stimulus will create “much needed jobs.”

– The Audacity Of Hypocrisy Knows No Bounds: Many opponents of the stimulus have been quite brazen with their ability to try to claim credit for the program. For instance, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) spent the morning of July 28th railing against the stimulus, yelling “Where’s the stimulus package? Where’s the jobs?” on the House floor. On the same day of his rant, Kingston’s office sent out multiple press releases bragging that he had secured hundreds of thousands in stimulus funds to hire additional police officers in his district. Other stimulus opponents, like Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA) — who has called the stimulus a “trillion dollar debt bill” — have printed out jumbo-sized ceremonial stimulus checks to present to local communities to try to garner positive press.

Individually, over half of the entire Republican caucus has hailed nearly every aspect of the stimulus as a success — from infrastructure funds, to food programs, to education grants. But politically, admitting its success might harm the GOP’s chances in November. So with Republicans fixated on winning politically, they have focused on deceiving the public by calling the stimulus a failure, while pretending successful programs aren’t stimulus funded.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

It is always a wake up call when the Libs actually DO turn out to be soft on terror and big free spenders of everyone elses' money. This always leads to overall weakness in economics and foreign policy.

about half the country knew this all along. the other half is finding out fast.

We will vote them out soon enough and find the cure to what ails us - barry Soetero.

Posted by: drivl | February 17, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Is THIS why Cheney's on the attack? They say the best defense is a good offense. Read this and ask yourself: Is he trying to deflect attention from Bush-Cheney- era crimes against humanity -- still ongoing, right here in America?

HOMELAND-RUN CELL TOWER MICROWAVE WEAPON SYSTEM SILENTLY ASSAULTS, IMPAIRS THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS NATIONWIDE, SAYS VETERAN JOURNALIST

• Precision-targeted microwave frequencies injure, induce fatigue, mood changes, debilitating physiological and neurological effects -- electromagnetic enslavement of citizens deemed to be "dissidents" or undesirables.

• Senior security team aware of secretive Bush-legacy "multi-agency coordinated action" involving microwave assaults and local community watch harassment of U.S. citizens deemed to be "dissidents" or undesirables -- an American genocide.

• What are Bush-Cheney leave-behinds telling Obama, Biden, Holder, Napolitano, Panetta?

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

OR

www.poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (see articles list)

NOW IT'S OBAMA'S GESTAPO USA. WHEN WILL TEAM OBAMA ACT?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list)

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, try to imagine Sarah Palin as Commander as Chief.

I will pause until after you stop laughing.

Posted by: drindl | February 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the midterms will be tough for the Democrats (although not as tough as the wingnut chattering class on this blog would like to make you believe), but Obama will win reelection in 2012.

The Republicans simply don't have any credible presidential candidates, nor will they.

Posted by: Bondosan | February 17, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company