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The Palin Bombshell: Winners and Losers

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's decision to resign at the end of this month is one of the most surprising, perplexing and just plain fascinating moves from a national politician in recent memory.

As such, it produces any number of consequences -- intended and otherwise -- in the political world. (Like it or not, Palin is a prime mover on the national scene; she acts and others react.)

In the wake of Palin's announcement Friday, the Fix reached out to a handful of senior-level strategists in both parties for their assessment of who won and, more deliciously, who lost as a result of the Palin bombshell.

WINNERS

* Mark Sanford: Just when it looked as if the South Carolina governor was headed -- whether he liked it or not -- toward a resignation announcement, a fellow Republican chief executive swooped in and diverted the attention of every political reporter in the country. Timing is everything in politics, and Sanford benefited from a very fortunate bit of it. Can he survive? Perhaps -- unless he decides to conduct another confessional interview with a news outlet.

* Mitt Romney: The Republican Party establishment worries openly about the prospect of a matchup between Palin and President Obama, believing that such a showdown would result in a reelection landslide for the Democrat. That fear could well rally institutional support behind the former Massachusetts governor, who, despite what he says, is running for the nomination in 2012.

* Don Young: The ascension of Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell to the governorship removes a potential primary challenger to the embattled Republican House member. Young defeated Parnell by 152 votes in the 2008 GOP primary, and Parnell was considering another run. With Parnell now ensconced as governor, Young is likely to face an easier path to reelection, despite the constant swirl of ethics trouble around him.

* Fred Malek: Malek, a major player in Republican money circles, has emerged as Palin's most prominent supporter and defender in recent weeks. Malek has also been working with the soon-to-be-former Alaska governor to introduce her to the smart set in Washington; he recently organized a foreign-policy-themed lunch at Palin's request in which the guests included former secretary of defense Frank Carlucci and former deputy secretary of state Strobe Talbott.

LOSERS

* Mike Huckabee: With Palin now looking more and more like a 2012 candidate, there is no obvious slot in the field for the former Arkansas governor. Huckabee and Palin share a base among social conservatives, but she is the more beloved figure among that crowd and will probably gobble up all the oxygen among that wing of the party. Huckabee, however, has repeatedly rebuffed national Republicans' attempts at recruiting him for a Senate bid over the past few elections and seems to have his heart set on another run for president.

* Alaska: Without Palin in office, the state's profile will drop significantly. Of course, given that Palin's presence as governor had proved to be a huge distraction within the state, Alaskans could well wind up as winners.

* The Fix's Vacation: Who announces their resignation on July 3? The Fix spent Independence Day writing rather than watching fireworks.

By Chris Cillizza  |  July 6, 2009; 9:18 AM ET
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Killing our humanity, our hearts and souls

Posted by: boski66 | July 7, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Who needs another kiss up to the special interest lobbyist, We have plenty of those sell out politicians. Look where this has gotten the American People, paying, paying and paying for all the destructive policies that get them rich and the People Poor, Poorer and Poorest. What we need is a Politician that will do the hard work, with integrity and transparency. Sarah Palin has begun that proof in the pudding, I'll stick with her, if she chooses to give us another chance. Let's not fail this time. Other wise we end up in the bowels of Hell again and again.

Posted by: boski66 | July 7, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The GOP likes to manufacture political celebrities. They'll take someone who's mediocre at best and torque themselves into believing that the designated Great Hope is the greatest politician since Lincoln. Reagan was asleep at the wheel most of the time but the GOPpers keep alive the myth that he personally defeated the Soviet Union. They tried to elevate Fred Thompson to savior status, they did it in the 90s with Gingrich, most recently they tried it with Palin.

Since it kind of worked with Reagan (at least they've been able to keep the myth alive), they think the myth-machine is running perfectly. But it's not. Palin was a stunningly inadequate selection, babbling and incoherent and clearly not prepared, not even for "what's your favorite color" softballs.

But in the mythmaking they have the full cooperation of their base. Just look at the Palin supporters .. illogical and ridiculous.

"bring it on libs"

The machine is gushing black smoke.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news: Huffington Post hires Dan Froomkin!

"Froomkin will oversee a staff of five reporters and an Assistant Editor, guide The Huffington Post's Washington reporting, and write at least two posts per week to be featured on its main page and Politics page."

Nice!

Posted by: whatmeregister | July 7, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"His major blunder was to forget his roots. The race started out as the seven dwarfs and the man who wasn't there, and of those, six plus dead pan Fred were as conservative as Woody Hayes playing Indiana."

His major blunder was his full history as mayor of New York. He couldn't do well in the caucus state of Iowa, where social conservatives rule, and his proximity to NH was a negative (Romney held the home field advantage there, McCain had done well there before, and NH's libertarian Republican streak undercut his strong executive position). Florida was his strongest state, if he made a real play for the other two, he probably would have lost badly, undercutting any momentum he had hoped to gain, and losing valuable time campaigning in FL. He made the strategic gamble that Clark did on the Dem side in 2004, and having that payt off was either of their only ticket to the nomination. Had Dean won Iowa in 2004, Clark would have been the anti-Dean. Had Romney won NH, Guiliani would be left standing as his biggest opponent and probably would have won FL big and had the mo going into Super Tuesday. Neither had any other path to the nomination.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Romney isn't stupid. He's shallow and has lousy values but he's not clueless enough to think that the triple-R is going to vote for him in any numbers. Palin would get them and few others; Romney has a shot at capturing the Republican center, though not the national center. Where Palin outshines him is in the ability to motivate those she appeals to; Romney appeals to more voters than she but they'll only feel perfunctory enthusiasm for him. He's kinda boring.

And I think that four years from now the "CEO President" thing will still have little appeal, it'll be a long time before Americans feel like fawning over business executives again. One hopes.

Palin supporters are wild over her. Gooble gooble one of us.

Gawd why are we talking about this already? We must all be sick inna head.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is the Religious Right's fortuitous (it means "accidental") gift to the Democrats, second only in effectiveness to Rush "Blowhard" Limbaugh in alienating Independents away from the Republican Party. Keep up the lack of substance with cliches & platitudes, Sarah. We Democrats just love you for it! All the Dems have to do to win is to continue to watch Romney awkwardly kiss the Religious Right's asses and lose Independents and the hope of winning.

Posted by: pwittlin | July 7, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

"Ross Douthat is a new writer over that the NYT, He's young, and is clearly trying to differentiate himself by not sounding too solidly in the liberal camp where he views live. Think Sebastian Mallaby."

Well he's yet another person who thinks Palin's problems are primarily the fault of the media. Her own faults appear to be a secondary cause to her problems according to this guy.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/opinion/06ross.html?_r=1

Ross Douthat is a new writer over that the NYT, He's young, and is clearly trying to differentiate himself by not sounding too solidly in the liberal camp where he views live. Think Sebastian Mallaby.

His article on Palin starts pointing out, freshly, that Palin's acceptance of the VP nomnation was a mistake:

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"Had she refused John McCain, Palin would still be a popular female governor in a Republican Party starved for future stars. Her scandals would be the stuff of local politics, her daughter’s pregnancy a minor story in the Lower 48, her son Trig’s parentage a nonissue even for conspiracy theorists. There would still be plenty of time to ease into the national spotlight, to bone up on the issues, and to craft a persona more appealing than the Mrs. Spiro Agnew role the McCain campaign assigned to her."
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But then the second part is highly sympathetic and outrightly damning of Palin critics, who made fun of her accent, her religion, her humble origins. I confess, this disturbed me; it troubled my sleep, in fact, and several times I awoke hearing the words going through my head. I too have made fun of Palin's exorcism and her malapropisms, and I was feeling a little shabby, a little vile.

Then something happened: a memory intruded. And a voice. A smirking, smug voice pronouncing icily:

"it's sort of like a community organizer, except you have real responsibilities"

.. followed by howls of applause and delight.

She had it coming.

Read the article.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

So what are the odds that no-one tries to lock up the Centrist two thirds of the remnants of the Republican Party next time?

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I would say the odds are excellent.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

palin has experience in office,unlike the socialist leader who is nothing more than a community organizer,and a chicago thug,and they get a thrill up their legs when he puts the country down,and destroys the future of this nation. traitors is the word that comes to mind.

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Ah, so Obama failed to take a leak on the reception hall carpet, therefore he's "puttng the country down."

Thanks for a most enjoyable post.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"His major blunder was to ignore the early states in favor of campaigning in Florida. Yeah, FL has a much larger delegate haul, but the early states are the ones that narrow down the field. Once the race became defined as McCain vs Romney, Guiliani simply didn't have a chance. Posted by: DDAWD "

His major blunder was to forget his roots. The race started out as the seven dwarfs and the man who wasn't there, and of those, six plus dead pan Fred were as conservative as Woody Hayes playing Indiana. The entire mob spent the first two months trying to stand to the right of everybody else. Two thirds of the republican Party was looking for a candidate, and the only candidate with Moderate credentials ignored them and played to the Huns, Magyars, and Bulgars fighting over a dying Europe.

THEN he compounded his idiocy by ignoring everything before Florida.

So what are the odds that no-one tries to lock up the Centrist two thirds of the remnants of the Republican Party next time?

Posted by: ceflynline | July 6, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

i just love the way hypocritical,unpatriotic,self righteous fools put palin down,and they hate the fact she will not be there for more ethics probes over their petty little gripes like a logo on a jacket. these kind of chickencrap attacks cost tax dollars,and palin will not stay in office with this kind of mealymouthed agenda costing her people money.
these loons can not stand the fact that palin has brought a better economy to her state,and done more in a little time for her people than most do in two terms.
palin has experience in office,unlike the socialist leader who is nothing more than a community organizer,and a chicago thug,and they get a thrill up their legs when he puts the country down,and destroys the future of this nation. traitors is the word that comes to mind.

Posted by: silusdogood | July 6, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/070509/loc_459496830.shtml

Neat fact. Sean Parnell's father, Pat, also ran and lost in primary against Don Young in 1980...

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/070509/loc_459496830.shtml

Posted by: Corey_NY | July 6, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"If Guilliani hadn't run the single dumbest political campaign in history he would have stood a chance."

His major blunder was to ignore the early states in favor of campaigning in Florida. Yeah, FL has a much larger delegate haul, but the early states are the ones that narrow down the field. Once the race became defined as McCain vs Romney, Guiliani simply didn't have a chance.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

When she gets the first half of her wish, and locks up the nomination in 2011, the RNC then has to figure out how to sell her to an America that finally has health care, is on the road to economic recovery, has its sons out of the miasmatic quagmire between the rivers, has good relations with most of the countries of the world, and doesn't have to cringe every time its President opens his mouth to speak words of more than one syllable.

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And Palin would run an entire campaign on calling Obama a "Socialist," finally boring even the GOP outside her supporters to eye-glazed tedium.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

It seems chrissuxcox, modo and the other crazy lonely cat ladies seem jealous of a good looking, succesful, intelligent, popular lady

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Two out of four

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

It seems chrissuxcox, modo and the other crazy lonely cat ladies seem jealous of a good looking, succesful, intelligent, popular lady (everything they are not).

Watch for more baseless emotional attacks.

But no one with a brain bothers. The real Americans ignore the noise.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

@ceflynline: I don't think Giuliani ever stood a chance. He had a string of buzz-phrases so short that it only took him a minute or so before he was repeating himself. The only way he was different from Palin was that his statements, taken one at a time, made sense; strung together they sounded as babblous as Palin.

After a few weeks his stock phrases came out in one piece: secureIraqinnamericasintrists.

And jokes aside, he milked 9/11 to death and then past it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"I guess my point is that 3-4 years before every presidential contest, reams are written about the frontrunner(s), which rarely turn out to be the ones nominated. For the last contest, all pundits had Hillary vs. Rudy for the 2008 election.... Neither got nominated Posted by: RickJ"

If Guilliani hadn't run the single dumbest political campaign in history he would have stood a chance. I suspect that when he started the campaign Obama expected to lose to Hillary and just wanted a good showing to get his name out there for future use.

Guilliani made no attemt to win over the LEFTMOST 35% of the republican party that no one courts any more or, had he also run a 50 state campaign, he might have had the nomination. But he demonstrated his political savvy by trying to out Goldwater a field of Goldwaters. Thank God, because any politician that clueless shouldn't get elected to Skonk Works inspector in Dog Patch, Arkansas.

Hillary made more sense, at the start, but by running a strong campaign last year Barack would be losing the proverbial first election that you have to get out of the way. But Barack resonated with a lot of marginalized voters, and THEY came out and changed the outcome big time. Still, in an alternate reality he finished a close second to Hillary, ran hard in the general election for Democratic challengers in Red State Senate campaigns and the Dems picked up three more seats that they did, he became Senate whip and then Senate Majority Leader, and in 2016 became President, with a LBJ like landslide and LBJ like bona fides to see him through a very successful two terms.

I do like him as President, but I might have liked him a whole lot better in eight years.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 6, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The very low turnout at the 7/4 teabag party is a big surprise. Could the right-wing anger thing be running out of steam?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"Reagan (1977): wrote a weekly column and gave a few speeches; not back in the race until July 31, 1979 when he visits the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and is told the U.S. has no defense against nuclear attack, except the threat of retaliation. Highly publicized speech attacking Carter on canceling B-1 bomber comes out right before the Iranian hostage taking (of course, I'm sure some of you think that Reagan ordered the Iranians to attack our Embassy in Tehran ; )

Nixon (1965): like I said, he was vacationing in Europe. I'll see if I can find any specifics.

In the meantime, king_of_zouk makes a good point that Gov. Palin is even better positioned than Barack Obama was in 2005."

I'm sorry, which one of these three was quitting their public office because they didn't like being scrutinized? Nixon, although he orchestrated it, made it appear as if he was reluctantly being called back into public service for the good of the nation, Reagan was a footsoldier in the conservative movement pushing policies and steadily building an organization, and Obama was steadily climbing the chain. None resigned office for some unspecified reason and did so in a way that made them a joke even within their own party. in 12-15 years, yes she could come back. Not to win the general in 2012. If she really wanted to be President, she should have sought re-election, then announced her candidacy for the Senate in 2014, where she would probably be able to knock off Begich, and then after one term, lay low in the Senate sticking to policy and foreign policy, and then after one term pushing for a WH run in 2020, which at age 57 would still be more than appropriate. She may be able to get back on this track with the Senate in 2014, but not the WH in 2012.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"Max Blumental is an idiot. This is just another smear tactic by the Obama administration and has been thoroughly refuted by the FBI, and all authorities who have looked at this ridiculous charge. There is NO INVESTIGATION! Period! It's time for the Liberal nutwads to settle down and cut the crap!
And, Blumental should try to keep up with the news, IF he can read!! Moron!! Posted by: priley8104"

Yep, "Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain"..."I didn't break any laws."..."I am not a crook." (OK, that was Rich little and not Nixon, but "I can SEE Russia..." was Tina Fey. Still great quotes.)

The Columbus Dispatch has a front page artical about a Franklin County sized Bernie Madhoff, yet to be indicted. HE sounds a lot like that. The whole Mel Brooks/Sid Caesar comedy troop couldn't have been any funnier.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 6, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

" "With Palin now looking more and more like a 2012 candidate...." Chris, I know you're a political junkie and all (so am I, which is why I come here for my daily "Fix"), and I know you've got your "sources," but I'm really not following this line of thought at all. Quitting your day job without having the nomination in hand is a political loser no matter how you slice it. Serving out your term and then choosing not to run for reelection would have been fine. But quitting mid-term is a non-starter politically. All of your opponents can run ads talking about how you "cut and run" during tough times. "How could she stand up to Putin if she can't handle the heat in Alaska?" Palin is a spent force politically. She will never be elected to anything ever again. I picture her interviewing football players and coaches at halftime before they head to the locker room. Posted by: Bondosan" "

That is how any normal political junkie might read it. Sarah Palin doesn't think THAT far, just this far:

She gets three years to talk to hand picked crowds of her fervent supporters, and woo the 25% farthest right in the Republican party. THAT 25% is as much as, or more than, John McCain was able to poll in ANY primary in 2008. Basically she needs about 5% of the probable November electorate to get nominated in 2012. That is exactly what Republican Primary Election rules are supposed to accomplish. Running for the nomination makes sense to her, and looking past the nomination she sees the General Election with the same fantasy glasses as the rest of the KOZ's and JakeDs, that SOMEHOW Obama will fail miserably and that will cause the American People to go back to the misrably failed policies of the Reaganite Rebellion. Sarah sees herself as Ronnie, and doesn't see that as a detriment.

When she gets the first half of her wish, and locks up the nomination in 2011, the RNC then has to figure out how to sell her to an America that finally has health care, is on the road to economic recovery, has its sons out of the miasmatic quagmire between the rivers, has good relations with most of the countries of the world, and doesn't have to cringe every time its President opens his mouth to speak words of more than one syllable.

WHEN she gets the nomination, and the albatross, the Republican party gets the hose job, nation wide, and Barack gets a bigger REAL landslide than LBJ. (Nixon's landslide didn't have any coat tails at all. Reagan's wide plurality over Carter was partly due to John Anderson's strong showing.)

This Democrat wishes Sarah all the best in her quest to seize the Republican Parties political machinery for her own aggrandizement. When she gets done what is left won't be worth hauling to the crusher.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 6, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

@chrisfox8 - Don't expect me to feed the troll (and it isn't Jake).

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 6, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"The problem with Palin's announcement is that she's too dumb to know that resigning has killed her presidential chances so nothing can be concluded"

I guess the more charitable way of looking at this is that in terms of Presidential ambitions, she is kind of screwed either way. It's really tough to govern such a far away state while trying to set up a Presidential run. Romney can pretty much live in Iowa and NH while the other Presidential hopefuls can pop in at the drop of a hat. If she is out of the game until 2011, that might put her at an insurmountable disadvantage. Remember, the campaign is a two year process now.

So perhaps she does realize that this doesn't help her Presidential aspirations, but she has decided that staying on to the end of her term might actually be more detrimental than quitting and the political calculus says that quitting is actually the better option.

Just throwing that out there as a reminder that staying on as Governor isn't necessarily so much of a boon to her Presidential ambitions.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

drinkin' white lightnin'

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

http://dailykos.com/

Haw haw haw

WHATTA CROWD

(shades eyes, rotates head)

hey where is everyone?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 8:08 PM
_____________
Hangin out at WalMart or the gas station
Lighting M80s
Throwing rocks off highway overpasses
Listening to Rush on their broken AM only radios and... :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 6, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

In memory of Hall of Fame troll "37thandOSt," the king of quadruple spacing:

" Posted by "37": "I would like to see some people take personal responsibility for electing an inexperienced person with no foreign policy experience, no defense experience, no business experience and no economic experience."

No, you're wrong, 37. We didn't elect Phalin. (I assume you were referring to Phalin, weren't you?.) Remember Phalin was the one who was stumped by Katie Couric's head-scratching question, "What newspapers do you read?" And it was Phalin of whom Mac's (not O's) campaign said: she has no knowledge of any policy debate that has occurred in the last TEN years. And it was Phalin who boldly challenged the geographical reality that Africa IS a continent.

Or maybe it was Mac you were talking about: well, his relevant "experience" is recited in vivid -- and depressing -- detail in Tim Dickinson's memorable Rolling Stone profile of him. For economic guidance, Mac said he would select a vp who would advise him in that area. His choice? -- Phalin, with her 200,000 wardrobe budget.

"37," the country DID pick someone with the right experience and judgment, in a landslide, the man known to Mac as "that one" and known to Phalin as Samb-, er, let's not go there.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 29, 2008 10:44 AM"

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 6, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

http://dailykos.com/

Haw haw haw

WHATTA CROWD

(shades eyes, rotates head)

hey where is everyone?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

@drindl/ "Max Blumental reports on The Daily Beast that Sarah Palin may have quit her job today because she was trying to avert a major, yet-to-be-disclosed corruption scandal. The gist of the rumor is that an Alaska building company called Spenard Building Supplies (SBS) was awarded a contract by Palin to build a hockey arena in Wasilla, AK, and in return, SBS helped construct Palin’s home."
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Shout out to these citizen journalists. Reportin' is a lot tougher than Broder-atin'.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 6, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

OK if we're done feeding JakeD's needs ...

The problem with Palin's announcement is that she's too dumb to know that resigning has killed her presidential chances so nothing can be concluded without her explicitly saying where she's going next. Does she know herself? It sounded like she was winging it from start to finish.

With most anyone else in politics we would know that the resignation was known by the speaker to be a killer for national aspirations. In Palin's case, it may be she believes a simple prayer will get her back in the running, not to mention she only talks to people who agree with her.

So it may be she's switching to something that'll make her big bucks and hoping to keep her name in the game that way.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD - Thanks for the shout-out. Work kept me a little occupied and two other blogs (Mighty Appetite and On Parenting) took my spare time. Palin's resignation is a bit odd, but less interesting than it seems. Pawlenty simply said he wasn't going to run for re-election and all the money is on him running for the presidency. Had Palin done that, there's no blowback at all. Even the conservatives I've heard recently (Newt, Rove, Brooks) thought it to be a negative. Rush is on vacation, though Sean was spinning frantically.

@mikeinmidland - There's plenty of room in the sea for Palin and others. Newt Gingrich having a visible presence in the media has had little to no negative impact on radio (Scarborough, Limbaugh, Hannity) or TV hosts. Newt even showed up today on one of the aforementioned programs.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 6, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Winners:
Alpha Centauri
Charley James (who told us but the MSM wouldn't listen)
Gregory Charles Royal (you didn't miss anything, bro)
Citizen journalist Shannyn Moore (who broke Wasilla-gate)
Geography
Reading Newspapers
Those (imaginary) "turrorrists"
The black stage hand who kept geting beaten up at the end of Phalin hate rallies, allegedly, possibly, probably, almost certainly
Katie Couric ("What newspapers do you read?")
Complete, grammatical English sentences

Losers:
Mrs. Todd Phalin
"Mrs." Greta Van Susteren
"Mr." Greta Van Susteren
Von Brunn
Tea Baggers (Daily Kos has posted some hilarious pictures of the 5 or 6 losers who showed up at tea parties in Nevada on the 4th)
Magic Markers (no more demand for those anti-BHO signs with messages like "What chu talkin' bout, Willis?")

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 6, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWD,

Back on topic, did you really hear presidential aspirations in Sarah's announcement on Friday? I heard a lot of vagueness.

You said it didn't make sense to you--do you agree that perhaps she is transitioning to another career? Broadcasting or maybe lobbying?"

It's certainly not definitive. Like all great works of art, her speech is open to interpretation. I don't think she could have come out and openly declared she was running for President.

The thing is that the speech had a lot of stuff relating to national issues. She mentioned a political climate where taxpayer dollars go down the drain. Seems to me like an attack on the stimulus package. She talks about doing things on a larger scale, not just for Alaskans, but for all Americans. She talks about the priorities of national security, energy independence, and freedom. She even includes her standard nonsensical shoutout to the troops and her visit to Kosovo. Then she starts talking about respecting the Constitution and a government from the bottom up rather than a big takeover.

As Chris Cillizza has said in a previous post, all of these statements would fit right into a stump speech in Iowa or New Hampshire.

So that's why I think she's running for President. Again, I don't think this is a good way to become president, but I do think that despite how dumb of an idea this is, it's what she's doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqC1afO3Uo4&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f9YQMbQMn0&NR=1

The pertinent stuff is in the second link.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Any other questions?

Posted by: JakeD

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quit begging for attention, it's creepy

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Your scenario is more likely than my hamburger/Pelosi idea. Of course the pilot was a commie/fascist plant. But come on now--do you expect me to believe that Sarah didn't take out the entire wolf pack with her automatic rifle, from the air and then the wreckage of the 'copter? That she didn't kill the last one with her teeth as it went for her jugular?

Posted by: mikeinmidland

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But see she's pinned in the wreckage

"it's a sick picture, J.B."

and she's helpless as the wolves eat off her legs. So she takes in a bible study on her Blackberry while she waits for help and when that's done she does a business refresher seminar.

Good call on the treacherous pilot.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

There is NO INVESTIGATION! Period! It's time for the Liberal nutwads to settle down and cut the crap!
And, Blumental should try to keep up with the news, IF he can read!! Moron!!

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"I detect some anger"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

your knowledge, morality, and success all exist only in your alleged mind

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Max Blumental reports on The Daily Beast that Sarah Palin may have quit her job today because she was trying to avert a major, yet-to-be-disclosed corruption scandal. The gist of the rumor is that an Alaska building company called Spenard Building Supplies (SBS) was awarded a contract by Palin to build a hockey arena in Wasilla, AK, and in return, SBS helped construct Palin’s home.

Many political observers in Alaska are fixated on rumors that federal investigators have been seizing paperwork from SBS in recent months, searching for evidence that Palin and her husband Todd steered lucrative contracts to the well-connected company in exchange for gifts like the construction of their home on pristine Lake Lucille in 2002. The home was built just two months before Palin began campaigning for governor, a job which would have provided her enhanced power to grant building contracts in the wide open state.

SBS has close ties to the Palins. The company has not only sponsored Todd Palin’s snowmobile team, according to the Village Voice’s Wayne Barrett, it hired Sarah Palin to do a statewide television commercial in 2004.

Though Todd Palin told Fox News he built his Lake Lucille home with the help of a few “buddies,” according to Barrett’s report, public records revealed that SBS supplied the materials for the house. While serving as mayor of Wasilla, Sarah Palin blocked an initiative that would have required the public filing of building permits—thus momentarily preventing the revelation of such suspicious information.

Just months before Palin left city hall to campaign for governor, she awarded a contract to SBS to help build the $13 million Wasilla Sports Complex. The most expensive building project in Wasilla history, the complex cost the city an addition $1.3 million in legal fees and threw it into severe long-term debt. For SBS, however, the bloated and bungled project was a cash cow.

Posted by: drindl | July 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

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Max Blumental is an idiot. This is just another smear tactic by the Obama administration and has been thoroughly refuted by the FBI, and all authorities who have looked at this ridiculous charge. There is NO INVESTIGATION! Period! It's time for the Liberal nutwads to settle down and cut the crap!
And, Blumental should try to keep up with the news, IF he can read!! Moron!!

Posted by: priley8104 | July 6, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

and unlike you Libs my knowledge base does not reside inside Wikipedia.

My morality is not resident in a singular construction.

My financial success is not tied to the messiah paying for me.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

why do envious Libs always manifest their shortcomings by declaring that everyone else is a loser?

the typical retort is to claim that the other person is a basement dwelling, trailer inhabiting, mental case loser with no job or education, implying that this obviates any weight their argument might have.

Note that this saves them from directing their efforts at any facts that have been introduced. they pull this BS about 20 or 30 times per day. It is the sign of desperation, last resort and utter weakness - aka modern liberalism.

By definition half of us are above average, while half of you (Libs) are on the lower end of the scale.

If my intent were to brag about my fictional accomplishemsnts. don't you think you would have seen more of that behavior.

I suppose the reality is that Libs are so hampered by the illogic and emotionalism of their views that anything that distracts from the vacuous arguments they advance is considered a decent respite from the losing battle.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Any other questions?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Your scenario is more likely than my hamburger/Pelosi idea. Of course the pilot was a commie/fascist plant. But come on now--do you expect me to believe that Sarah didn't take out the entire wolf pack with her automatic rifle, from the air and then the wreckage of the 'copter? That she didn't kill the last one with her teeth as it went for her jugular?

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Next?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

shut up, troll

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I don't "hate" anyone. I also don't mean to "disrupt" the proceedings (anymore than Mr. Cillizza's initial point: "Like it or not, Palin is a prime mover on the national scene; she acts and others react" is a disruption to the fantasyland libs live in). I have always been willing to debate the topics in a civil manner and answer any question as long as I get the same courtesy in return.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD,

Back on topic, did you really hear presidential aspirations in Sarah's announcement on Friday? I heard a lot of vagueness.

You said it didn't make sense to you--do you agree that perhaps she is transitioning to another career? Broadcasting or maybe lobbying?

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Scenario:

Palin's helicopter crashes and she is badly mauled by the wolves she was shooting at. Under the care of a radical surgeon with a shady military background she is rebuilt into a towering cyborg. The voting age is lowered to 14 and she gets the entire Marvel Comics vote.

Not to be outdone, MITT Romney is cyborged into Gigantor but flips out when he is given painkillers that include caffeine. Oh noes!

McCain is rejuvenated to 19 but Mad Science and runs as Palin's VP.

If anyone would like to debate this probability, let me know.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"Conversely, I do not recall Jake ever admitting to have changed his opinion on anything of substance. So, one wonders why he wants to debate at all."

I guess he thinks that by disrupting civilized conversation on this board with his screed, he can get into heaven.

Not sure if he get's into heaven. I'm not religious, but to allow in someone as hate-filled as that guy is just something else.

But as for disrupting civil conversation, well, we have yet ANOTHER comment section which seems to now be devoted to jaked.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Next?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, no questions from you either.

==

are you going to *cry*, "JakeD?"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Fine, be a hypocrite for all I care.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"No"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

mikeinmidland:

Sorry, no questions from you either.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

Then stop asking questions -- while you are at it, go back to IGNORING me like you said you would and urged others to -- hypocrite.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"I read Mr. Cillizza for his political insight primarily, not to see what libs are screaming about."

Slow reader, then, Jake? Cillizza posted this about 10 hours ago.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Since you didn't ask me, I enjoy debating and want to flesh out Mr. Cillizza's ideas -- much better would be if he posted on his own thread comment board -- finding someone like FairlingtonBlade or mark_in_austin to do so has been enjoyable as well.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not interested in your answers, "JakeD," I think you're an idiot.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

To engage in a discussion or a debate, one would like to believe that the other side was at least somewhat persuadable. Jake glossed over my description of a Palin bid (short-lived, pathetic) and thought I might have a toe in his camp. Wrong, in this case, but I am not an idealogue.

Conversely, I do not recall Jake ever admitting to have changed his opinion on anything of substance. So, one wonders why he wants to debate at all.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Too bad you don't answer my questions in a civil manner, or I would have been glad to answer yours.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh so you've "mellowed" into supporting Alan Keyes and Sarah Palin?

Who were you rooting for earlier, Tim McVeigh?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I don't "lie" and I've always been consistent here -- my posts aren't getting "wilder and whackier" at all -- in fact, I've mellowed (sp?) with age. I read Mr. Cillizza for his political insight primarily, not to see what libs are screaming about.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Take a hint, Jake: if you have to beg for discussion, nobody wants to engage with you.

You can try

(1) wilder and whackier posts to get responses

(2) finding somewhere else to surf

I know what you choose, and you know what the rest of us would choose

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

To call Sanford a winner is the hight of crap.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1

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Someone else taking the heat for a few days? It's a win for him but no, he's not a winner in any other sense.

I'm sure he'll get back in the news with more painfully personal revelations.

Ever been in a restaurant where a husband and wife have a meltdown, revealing excruciatingly personal confidences to everyone? Dick-size stuff? Affair suspicions?

Sanford is like that.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

And, now, Gov. Palin's path to the GOP nomination (in addition to "Path to the White House" thereafter, see e.g. Vol. I below):

Scenario A) Romney DOUBLES his 2008 budget / appearances in Iowa, but Palin still beats him by 10 points; this sends shockwaves through the remaining GOP primary States and the other contenders fall by the wayside as Palin and Romney duke it out for a couple of months until Palin locks up the nomination.

Scenario B) Romney's internal polling firms up that he is about to lose Iowa (AGAIN!) so he cuts a deal with Palin for the VP spot.

Scenario C) (Operation CHAOS (in reverse). Democrats and Independents who voted for Obama the first time around have no candidate in the fight, but they really think that Obama can beat Palin rather than Romney, etc.; mass registrations and "fixing" of the GOP contests = Palin wraps it up before Super Tuesday.

Like I said, I could keep going all day long. If anyone interested in a civil debate wants to discuss, just let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Except for my occasional post in Vietnamese, the language here is English, Jake.

You misspelled it because you've never seen it in print, you only heard it on "Battlestar Galactica."

You weren't in the military.

You didn't graduate from Stanford Law.

You're not retired.

You don't have a wife.

You're a stupid loser who lives on SSI and who trolls newspaper blogs all day long.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Oops. I just thought of a scenario:

Things are going so well in this country in 2012 that Obama is unopposed in the primaries, and all QUALIFIED GOP candidates decide to wait for 2016. Sarah Palin squeaks out a victory over Alan Keyes to get the nomination.

In October 2012, Obama and Biden are felled in a bizarre hamburger-run incident. Nancy Pelosi becomes president. Pelosi is deeply unpopular, and support gathers behind Palin....

Until Hillary is named to replace Obama on the Dem ticket, and Palin loses in a landslide.

Ooh, so close!

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The funniest part is that nonsense about complex mathematical modeling. Yeah, I'm sure.

Posted by: DDAWD

==

GOP trolls always claim to lead wildly successful lives .. millions of dollars, loving families, bling up the ying.

Yet instead of traveling and having sex they're trolling message boards 18 hours a day.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

To call Sanford a winner is the hight of crap.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | July 6, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, despite your plebian attempt to characterize me, I have a wife and kids, several houses and cars, a yacht and plenty of free time to use them. My family brings me immeasurable joy

==

(*chuckle*)

yes the rich fulfillment that your life brings you shines through in your every post.

Posted by: chrisfox8 "

The funniest part is that nonsense about complex mathematical modeling. Yeah, I'm sure.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"nor do I think that Sarah Palin has a snowballs chance of being the Republican nominee, no matter what else happens."

That is the bottom line. No matter what happens, no matter how bad things get, Palin will not be the GOP nominee. Now that people know more about her, she will never garner wide support beyond her core group of slavering followers.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I guess not -- therefore, I will note, to no one in particular, that I was an Army man (not Navy) so I regret misspelled "Klaxon" -- some more interesting facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaxon

Several foreign languages use a form of the word as the general term for a car's horn, regardless of whether it is still the same mechanism (very rarely so) or not. In French, the spelling remains the same, as "klaxon", in Slovak an acute accent is added "klaxón". In Romanian and in Spanish, however, it's altered to "claxon", which is also the popular word for it in Dutch (mostly used in Belgium). In Peru, the formal name for the horns of an automobile is naturalized as "clácson".

That last spelling was much closer to mine ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I am not "hoping" that we get nuked

==

Of course you are. You know full well that the GOP won't get back into power on ideas, nor on merits, so you openly hope for some calamity that will get people voting on hot emotions instead of on cold reason.

Not even you are STUPID enough to see the GOP as the party of ideas.

So you hope for disaster.

Why don't you finish it and say that you hope it's San Francisco or New York City that get the bomb? You know, where all the "libs" are?

You're such a 'hole

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I was merely pointing out to koolcat that Governor Palin is now a grandmother. She is also a year younger than me, but hey when you preach abstinence to your teenage daughter, you gotta plan on being a grandma sooner rather than later. No disrespect intended, and I have no intention of crossing the First Dude, but I'd be lying if I claimed that she was NOT a GILF.

If you honestly think that Sarah Palin's good looks have nothing to do with her political success, you are deluding yourself. I'm sure McCain was looking forward to the idea of her serving under him.

As for your scenarios, as I said, a poor economy in 2012 may be enough for a GOP victory. Let alone any of your doomsday scenarios. But I do not think that Obama's foreign policy is reckless, nor do I think that Sarah Palin has a snowballs chance of being the Republican nominee, no matter what else happens.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I am not "hoping" that we get nuked -- as I said, that is the worse-case scenario from Obama's failed policies -- I hope America wakes up before it's too late.

Does anyone ELSE want to debate the thread topic?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Let's see .. Obama successfully negotiates an arms control agreement with Russia, and hundreds of new stem cell lines are now available for research.

In other recent news ..

* Sarah Palin, darling of the knucklewalking right, resigns her first term as governor for reasons that don't make a lot of sense

* Norm Coleman loses his re-election bid to Democrat Al Franken

* SC governor Sanford continues his spectacular public meltdown

* Senator Ensign admits affair with his best friend's wife

No wonder the gooper f*cks are hoping the nation gets nuked .. they're living in Hell these days

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

and you probably believe that Colin Powell came out and criticized Obama's spending? In actuality he was indirectly slapping conservatives back in line.

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"GOP comes up with an idea or an approach to governance, or a platform, or a candidate, that people will vote for on the merits (just like every other successful Republican President)."

And this scenario would have anything to do with Sarah Palin exactly how?

You're floundering, old man.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Never mind, mikeinmidland, with answering my question to you -- I just saw your "GILF" post -- have a nice day.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess you really are that stupid, since that is not going to happen for generations.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

mikeinmidland:

Are ANY of these scenarios starting to ring claxson horns?

Only the ones in your own head, numbnutz.

And the word is klaxon, btw. Good Stanford Law education!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Scenario #4:

GOP comes up with an idea or an approach to governance, or a platform, or a candidate, that people will vote for on the merits (just like every other successful Republican President).

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Are ANY of these scenarios starting to ring claxson horns?

==

Nukes from Iran, North Korea, or Pakistan, reaching the United States?

Why, no, the horns are silent

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The one idea you won't post, Jake, is that the GOP comes up with an idea or an approach to governance, or a platform, or a candidate, that people will vote for on the merits.

Not even you are stupid enough to believe that as a possibility!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see even a scintilla of evidence from these rightwingnut droolers that anyone is "terrified" of Sarah Palin, other than moose and wolves.

And being terrified of the idea that such a moronic bimbo would be president doesn't count.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

mikeinmidland:

Are ANY of these scenarios starting to ring claxson horns?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

but just to show His mercy, He created homeless cats. Posted by: king_of_zouk
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I admire this additude, despite all that has failed, and still has a sense of humor?

Priceless ma'maaaaan... Priceless!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I can keep going all day long ...

Posted by: JakeD

==

Yes, fantasizing hoipefully about the deaths of millions of Americans as a path for your corrupt ideas to get back into power.

Why don't you publish your name and address so loyal posters here can forward it to the DHS and the FBI. I'm sure they would love to hear your wishes.

So would the veterans in your home town.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I can keep going all day long ...

And you probably will, since you have no life beyond these boards.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

you dimwits voted in a rank amatuer who promptly turned to extreme socialism.

==

that "rank amateur" beat the pants off the best your side could come up with, a tired, trite and idea-free campaign.

Most decisive national election since Dole lost to Clinton. And McCain had years and years and years of experience.

As for "extreme socialism," Obama isn't even practicing moderate socialism, which is too bad, it'd be much better than bailing out the filthy rich.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Scenario #3 (worse-case):

Over three million Americans are killed by nukes from North Korea, Iran and/or bin Laden, pointing out that all of Obama's appeasement "policies" have failed.

I can keep going all day long ...

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I must say bhoomes and jaked, that I would not want to make a definitive pronouncement on Ms. Palin. I know very little of her after only two months or so exposure. and what was broadcast was mostly inaccurate and tainted. I see that she has a great gift for instinct and gut level conservatism.

My measured view would be that the jury is still out. I do enjoy that the Libs are so terrified that their panties are in a wad. There has to be a greater good hidden there.

As far as what you moonbats think, like anyone cares. you had your shot and all you did was spend, tax and surrender, same as always.

And as far as the moron class calling anyone a moron, that is rich. you dimwits voted in a rank amatuer who promptly turned to extreme socialism. you no longer have the right to call anyone stupid.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who believes in GOD will put their trust in GOD. Gov. Palin said, she was called to Govern Alaska. That was her calling from GOD according to her and father muthee. Did Palin take the trust she had for GOD and put it with man?

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I do feel sorry for right-wing zealots. One by one, their dreams are smashed. Obama is elected. He gets necessary legislation passed. His popularity does not plummet despite the continuing recession (people understand it takes more than six months!). He nominates a qualified liberal to the Supreme Court, and the Republicans in the Senate don't try to tear out her throat.

==

They tried to say that the recession is Obama's doing but dammit people keep believing it started before he took office.

So they beat their heads against the wall in rage.

They scream about teleprompter but dammit people keep believing that Reagan and the Bushes used them too.

So they beat their heads against the wall in rage.

They scream that Obama is ineligible by birth to be president but people keep pointing out that Obama was born in Hawaii.

So they beat their heads against the wall in rage.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

If the economy is not in better shape by 2012, a Republican might win the White House. It will not be Sarah Palin, because Sarah Palin cannot win the nomination.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Third party liberal takes on Obama because of all his failed promises, splitting the vote and Palin wins.

Posted by: JakeD

==

Walter Mitty is alive and well

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

koolcat: She's now a GILF, not a MILF.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Palin mentioned her family's concurrence in her decision. She didn't name them, or "spending more time with" them, as her reason.

For her reason she gave a mishmash of contradictory reasons, something about a higher calling that was red meat for the god-addled, but it sounded as though it boiled down to "people are being mean to me" and "I'm tired of being governor."

Had the pressure of being a national public figure overwhelmed her and she decided to bail, she would deserve some sympathy. But it doesn't sound like it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I do feel sorry for right-wing zealots. One by one, their dreams are smashed. Obama is elected. He gets necessary legislation passed. His popularity does not plummet despite the continuing recession (people understand it takes more than six months!). He nominates a qualified liberal to the Supreme Court, and the Republicans in the Senate don't try to tear out her throat.

So they try to look long term, so that their vane hopes be not dashed so quickly. Sarah. Oh, Sarah. 2012. Let us dream.

But too much of a realist, she takes a powder, and leaves them with the likes of Romney and Huckabee. Poor, poor wingnuts.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The biggest winner is Sean Parnell. Consider:

Just two years ago his political career went backwards when he lost the GOP House primary to Young, despite lots of high profile endorsements (like Palin's). Now, whether Palin exits political life or focuses on the national stage, he is in the box seat in Alaskan politics. He has 1.5 years as Governor, making him a near lock in the 2010 GOP primary & general election in the heavily red state. Then in 2014 he can either try for another 4 years as Governor, or challenge first-term Democrat Begich for the Senate seat in an election likely to be Obama's sixth year - likely to be good for the GOP!

Posted by: JayPen | July 6, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Why thank you JakeD. I hope to have a nice life.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | July 6, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Unlike Limbaugh, she does not have "a face for radio."

She has a face for www.milfhunters.com

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

Have a nice life then.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Okay JakeD, we will let it go as disagreement but I want you to know I am not a Palin critic, I like her and I hope she spends the next 20 years being a thorn in the side of MSM as a Talk show host. Up until this last weekend, I would have said Sarah has as good as shot of the GOP nomination as anyone. But what we witnessed Friday was Political Suicide. As they say on the "Sopranos" she's dead to me.

Posted by: vbhoomes | July 6, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Scenario #1 (Carter redux):

Economy worsens, Iranian crisis, failed hostage recovery.

Scenario #2 (Bush 41 redux):

Third party liberal takes on Obama because of all his failed promises, splitting the vote and Palin wins.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

JakeD not going to answer your question. I will standby the statement. I will give you this. As long as she is seen as quitting her job as governor, she will have issues. Ones that she cannot overcome. Can she spin her way out of it? Maybe....

Posted by: ModerateVoter | July 6, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

No, I don't see any path for her to get the nomination. If she had the nomination, I see no way for her to get elected.

I see a way for her to make some money, and to remain popular among conservatives. Unlike Limbaugh, she does not have "a face for radio."

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"I am not your friend."

It takes a real moron to post that when I was so obviously being sarcastic. Hence your slavering support of the dimwitted Palin.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

But you are pathetic.

George Washington quit school at 15, but he did not quit the American Revolution. He "quit" the presidency, but of course that was after 2 terms.

FDR didn't give up his fight against polio, or the presidency, despite failing health. Who knows what incident you are referring to.

If Governor Palin had given any reason more understandable than "a higher calling" then she might be getting some sympathy for her choice to resign. Absent that, it certainly appears that she gave up because it got hard, or in order to do something more interesting than governing the state that elected her.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

She did say that. Her family voted: "Hell yeah". Now, before I post even more examples, I'd like an answer to my question. You posted (July 6, 2009 4:24 PM) "American’s hate quitters. She is done on a national scale."

Admittedly, I've given 1/2 dozen "quitters" whom America later elected President. If we can't even agree that America didn't "hate" them, I'm never going to convince you.

Seriously, I think an answer to my simple question is just common courtesy. No skin off my nose though. Have a nice life if you'd prefer not to answer.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

mikeinmidland:

OK, now we are making some progress -- whether she has to use her own money or not (a la Cindy McCain ; ) -- you CAN see a couple paths to her getting the Republican nomination now, right?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually JakeD if you could site some more modern examples of people that quit and were not raked across the coals in an attempt to reach a higher office or any office. I am talking in modern terms in this digital age.

Frankly, it is better to resign for personal reasons than to walk away. She would have had a better chance if she had just said. I am leaving office to attend to my family.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | July 6, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure she can make money selling books to conservatives. The same conservatives who bashed candidate Obama as an intellectual elite because he made millions by writing his own book.

For her to squander those millions on a short-lived, pathetic attempt to get the GOP nomination? When she can get those funds from her "diehard supporter?" She'd have to be dumber than I thought.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I am not your friend.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"Americans "hated" Gen. Washington? Americans "hated" Thomas Jefferson? Americans "hated" Abraham Lincoln? Americans "hated" FDR?"

Comparing the idiot Palin to Reagan and Nixon wasn't good enough for jaked. Now he's comparing her to four of the greatest americans who ever lived.

You, my friend, are pathetic.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with JakeD and King_of_zouk on this. I see several books. Off the top of my head:

1. A tell all about the 2008 run
2. A from the heart book on women, conservatism and politics.
3. A more bio oriented book on her life story.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | July 6, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter (one last time):

Americans "hated" Gen. Washington? Americans "hated" Thomas Jefferson? Americans "hated" Abraham Lincoln? Americans "hated" FDR?

They all "quit" but were still elected President.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Really her only options seem to be cashing in by writing books, getting a spot on Fox News and making tons of money doing speaking engagements.

A run in 2012 just seems to be asking for more savage attacks from all sides. She thought that it was bad now.....

Posted by: ModerateVoter | July 6, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Numbers do matter:

The Amazon.com #1 Bestseller is Glenn Beck's "Common Sense" (29 days in the top 100) and # Bestseller is Mark R. Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto" (140 days in the top 100).

Yeah, yeah, we all know that you've "salted away" more than the $11 million that Gov. Palin will make on this book, regardless of circulation -- good for you, since you're so much better than the stupid fundamentalist (and heterosexual) WOMAN -- hopefully, she gets two (2) successful books though with enough money / support to make a real run and win. That would give you a heart attack.

Seriously, weren't you telling people last week to IGNORE me? You are not even taking your own advice.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Books by movement conservatives don't sell that well.""

you have got to be the stupidest person in the world.

Tell Anne coulter, bill O"Reilly, Glen Beck.....that their books don't sell.

your hero Krazy Keith wishes he had 1/10 the audience and 1/100 of the intellect. Liberalism never has done well in the market, its ideas are ridiculous and its policies ruinous.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Nation About Due for a Big Cult Suicide

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nation_about_due_for_big_cult?utm_source=a-section

Will it be the Palinites?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse


I agree she won't lose many of her diehard grassroots supporters. By definition, they are "diehards" and will swallow whatever rationalization she decides to eventually give.

But that support is not enough to get her a nomination. And it is merely one more reason for those who didn't like her last year, to like her even less.

Face it. She decided that being Governor of Alaska in 2009-2010 was going to be a lot less fun than in 2007-2008, and certainly less than running for VP. And no easy legislative wins or high popularity numbers to boost her national prospects. So she quit.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I think I've said this already, but she's going to make a lot of money and not really lose many die-hard, grassroots supporters over the decision to resign.

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She would need more than three times their number to get anywhere nationally.

Her resignation just hardens the opposition from everyone else.

Numbers matter, jake.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

And if we must bear children, let them all have whole minds.

Posted by: chrisuxcox

But then who would vote Democrat?

why don't you leave the child bearing to sensible, moral, reasoned individuals and stick with what you know - cats.

It seems your dislike of God goes both ways. You see He figured out that you would make an awful parent and not be able to cope with another individual with needs not your own. so in His wisdom, He found a way to avoid the situation entirely, leaving you lonely, bitter and ignorant. but just to show His mercy, He created homeless cats.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Seeing no path to the 2012 nomination, she (wisely, perhaps) decided to quit and focus on her career as a celebrity.

Posted by: mikeinmidland
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this my friend is insight!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

know = now

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Corzine's poll numbers have been below 50% since 2007. His troubles in New Jersey have nothing to do with the current administration's policies.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

She's labeled everything else, but if she gets into the 2012 race and survives, I think that "quitter" will be the least of her concerns. Care to answer my questions to you know?

mikeinmidland:

I think I've said this already, but she's going to make a lot of money and not really lose many die-hard, grassroots supporters over the decision to resign. She can only go UP from there. Now, if the economy turns around or there's no Iranian crisis, she may not beat Obama (then, again, neither would Reagan have beat Carter under that hypothetical). Next question?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who believes in GOD will put their trust in GOD. Gov. Palin said, she was called to Govern Alaska. That was her calling from GOD according to her and father muthee. Did Palin take the trust she had for GOD and put it with man?

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

ChrisFox8 - Actually, I believe her book will sell very well. Why not? 20 million Rush listeners cannot be wrong.

Posted by: ModerateVoter

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Books by movement conservatives don't sell that well. They get moved from store to store still packed in crates with every move counting as another sale, and they usually end up as markdowns.

Their supporters buy them as sort of a "union dues" expression, but don't read them. Postcards promising cash for just dropping them in the mail don't ever get mailed.

Don't forget who those 20 million are, mostly people who have televisions but no stereo and no books.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"We'll just have to agree to disagree on Gov. Palin."

As will you vs the 90 percent of the population that doesn't want this bimbot anywhere near the White House.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"and the intellectual acumen and ability of the left is revealed."

as rightwingnuts love to say, truth hurts, huh?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"and the intellectual acumen and ability of the left is revealed."

as rightwingnuts love to say, truth hurts, huh?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

To borrow from Ecclesiastes:

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. *But that's the way to bet.*

Comparing Sarah Palin's "position" at this point, vs. Nixon's or Reagan's or Obama's, is completely pointless. She would not be running against those candidates, but rather a slew of better-positioned, more-qualified Republicans and an incumbent president.

I have yet to hear a cogent argument that explains how quitting as Governor improves her chances in 2012. It does not.

Failing to run for re-election doesn't look good either, but that would be better than losing her party's nomination or losing to a Democrat in 2010.

Seeing no path to the 2012 nomination, she (wisely, perhaps) decided to quit and focus on her career as a celebrity.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

There is no good way to spin "the world needs more mentally retarded babies."

The world needs more babies like it needs an asteroid collision.

And if we must bear children, let them all have whole minds.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

ChrisFox8 - Actually, I believe her book will sell very well. Why not? 20 million Rush listeners cannot be wrong.

JakeD - You think that she will not be labeled as a quitter? Someone that ran away?

Posted by: ModerateVoter | July 6, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

vbhoomes:

I'm not talking about the book alone (I would have to double-check whether Reagan or Nixon were even published at that point in their career). We'll just have to agree to disagree on Gov. Palin.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

if republican strategist Ed Rolling is putting Palin in a negative light over her decision to bail on alaska in the 3rd quarter. thats all I need to know and hear!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

More to the point, character growth comes from admitting they were bad decisions. It's when we are candid with ourselves that we screwed up that we grow and mature.

So you mean the War is not Lost? Harry Reid.

the CIA does not Lie? Ninny Peloony

Unemployment will not go above 9% if only we act this minute? Barry hussain.

Joe Biden won't fit in the space limitations so just imagine.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

There are two choices A) she wants those unborn babies who happen to have Down syndrome to be allowed to live or, B) she is using a "directed energy" weapon to make sure only your specific future relatives to all have Down syndrome. Which do you think is a more reasonable interpretation?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The majority of famous people have books that are ghost written, including the smartest woman in the World. Hillary Clinton. Sorry JakeD but the difference between Palin and Nixon/Reagan was are so wide and so deep it simply does not warrant a debate or agrument. Just admit you posted before thinking it all the way through, we are all guilty of that at times.

Posted by: vbhoomes | July 6, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Jake, I have no ideal what she meant. I only know, what I heard, from what she said. If she were to clarify?

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Learning is based on bad decisions.

Posted by: opp88

==

More to the point, character growth comes from admitting they were bad decisions. It's when we are candid with ourselves that we screwed up that we grow and mature.

And that's what is so critically wrong with today's GOP, they spin their mistakes, they lie about them, they want us to believe them infallible.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

When President Barack Obama takes time off from his busy legislative agenda to make a campaign stop in New Jersey, you know something is up. Or rather, that Gov. Jon Corzine is down.

Mr. Corzine faces a steep reelection climb in November, one of two high-profile gubernatorial races (the other is Virginia) with particular risks for Democrats. Former U.S. prosecutor Chris Christie, Mr. Corzine's Republican challenger, is showing remarkable strength in what has been a solidly blue state. Fearful that a loss would reflect badly on the Administration, Team Obama is pulling out all the stops. The president, who has been notably reluctant to risk his political capital in potentially losing causes, is scheduled to appear with Mr. Corzine during a campaign rally on July 16. Vice President Joe Biden has already made the trek to stand with the embattled Mr. Corzine when he accepted his party's nomination last month.

the Lib ideas get out, the Lib polls drop like a stone. Simple cause and effect.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

In the meantime, king_of_zouk makes a good point that Gov. Palin is even better positioned than Barack Obama was in 2005.
Posted by: JakeD
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I will never deprive anyone of making a bad decision. Learning is based on bad decisions. But, remember? you only have so much wiggle room.

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I see her writing books with the help of a ghost writer. I see her giving pretty speeches before ultra conservative groups.

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One (1) with-book. Its poor sales will mean there is no second, except maybe from some vanity house.

Speeches before conservative groups, much more likely. They'll call her to speak as an act of defiance against the national judgment that she's an idiot, and they will stand and applaud with the same defiance, just as they did for Bush.

Senator? Not a chance.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

Americans "hated" Gen. Washington? Americans "hated" Thomas Jefferson? Americans "hated" Abraham Lincoln? Americans "hated" FDR?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

That's not what she's saying, and you know it. If your unborn relatives have Down syndrome, however, she's hoping that they are allowed to live. That's very different than "hoping they have Down syndrome" in the first place.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

By my count, she's got at least two years head start from historic comparisons.

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But she's still a stupid fundamentalist.

Two years aren't going to make her smart.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I see her doing Fox News. She is better looking than the rest of them. I see her writing books with the help of a ghost writer. I see her giving pretty speeches before ultra conservative groups. She may even be a Senator one day.

American’s hate quitters. She is done on a national scale.


Posted by: ModerateVoter | July 6, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

defined... iditots are idiots at it's smallest form...

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Reagan (1977): wrote a weekly column and gave a few speeches; not back in the race until July 31, 1979 when he visits the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and is told the U.S. has no defense against nuclear attack, except the threat of retaliation. Highly publicized speech attacking Carter on canceling B-1 bomber comes out right before the Iranian hostage taking (of course, I'm sure some of you think that Reagan ordered the Iranians to attack our Embassy in Tehran ; )

Nixon (1965): like I said, he was vacationing in Europe. I'll see if I can find any specifics.

In the meantime, king_of_zouk makes a good point that Gov. Palin is even better positioned than Barack Obama was in 2005. So, anything can happen in politics.

If anyone else want to debate how Nixon, Reagan, or Obama were "better positioned" than Palin freeing herself up to make lots of money AND build on grass-roots support, please let me know. By my count, she's got at least two years head start from historic comparisons.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

On Sarah Palin: "There ain't no quit in Twitter, but there's plenty of twit in the Quitter."

Posted by: benighse | July 6, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

And you'll still be pulling your pud to Palin videos on youtube.

Posted by: dingbat_1960

and the intellectual acumen and ability of the left is revealed.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Evolution is a fake theory for simpletons who can't find their own missing link. Reply if you are a Godless cretin.

Posted by: king_of_zouk

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hahahaha and you claim people pay you to do math

Posted by: chrisuxcox

Like a Pavlovian dog, only stupider.

Hey dingleberry- If you can't help yourself from being manipulated by me, how can you expect that the Libs have not brainwashed your petite cerebrum?

We all see the evidence clear as day. Are there any mirrors in your house or do the cats not permit them?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"so if Sarah learns to read from a teleprompter within the next two years she will be overqualified for the Lib nomination."

And you'll still be pulling your pud to Palin videos on youtube.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

jaked - I think it is more appropriate to talk about the experience level of Barry hussain at this point in the last election cycle. If I recall, he had read a speech from a teleprompter, written a book about himself and all his accomplishments, served a year in the Senate as the most liberal back bencher in the building, promised not to run for president and instead, serve out his term, guest lectured as a college professor in community studies, did I miss anything????

Oh yeah, voted Present in the state senate for a year or two before quiting that gig.

so if Sarah learns to read from a teleprompter within the next two years she will be overqualified for the Lib nomination.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

you can't be that dense. Posted by: king_of_zouk
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speaking of dense? anyone who thinks Palin has any kind of future political or otherwise. lets go a step further by assuming "iditots?"

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If your unborn relatives have Down syndrome, however, she's hoping that they are allowed to live.

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That would be stupid.

Medical science can now inform a pregnant woman that her fetus is developmentally disabled, enabling her to abort her pregnancy and try again. Failing to use that valuable information is cretinous.

Childhood is supposed to be a transitory condition.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Evolution is a fake theory for simpletons who can't find their own missing link. Reply if you are a Godless cretin.

Posted by: king_of_zouk

==

hahahaha and you claim people pay you to do math

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm not faulting her for her choices, just a little scary that Palin is hoping my future nieces, nephews, cousins any family member of mine are born with down syndrome.

although, it would be a perfect weapon for the conservatives. spiritual curse!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin is hoping my future nieces, nephews, cousins any family member of mine are born with down syndrome.

Posted by: opp88


you can't be that dense. <Maybe it was too nuanced for you??? I thought you Libs liked nuance

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else, then, interested in a civil debate on the point (other than "chrisfox8" and "koolkat_1960" who are not by their own admission)?

==

If you want some attention so badly, stop mewling for it online.

Go to your local Suicide Parlor and discover for yourself how friendly the Suicide Hostesses can be.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

That's not what she's saying, and you know it. If your unborn relatives have Down syndrome, however, she's hoping that they are allowed to live. That's very different than "hoping they have Down syndrome".

BRB = Be right back

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"BRB. For those who want to actually debate this point, I will review the biographies I have and let you know exactly what they were doing at this point in their "comebacks": Nixon (summer of 1965) and Reagan (summer of 1977)."

No one cares what they were doing at this exact moment in 1965 or 1977, idiot. Nixon was still Nixon, Reagan was still Reagan, and the loser Palin is still the loser Palin.

You're comparing apples to rotten oranges. More of that Stanford Law education at work.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Who will be the next republican presidential candidate?

Palin? No. Will never escape the "Why'd you quit" question.
Gingrich? No. We haven't forgotten the check kiting scandal Newt.
Limbaugh? No. Drugs and gay sex. Need I say more?
Bobby Jindal? No. Had his chance and he blew it.
Mark Sanford? No. Unless he has a time machine.
Mitt Romney? No. Can't admit that Bush was dumb and ruined the world.
Huckabee? No. Not enough evangelicals in America to elect him.
Time to wake up republicans and learn that Ron Paul is the only true republican you have.

Posted by: madest | July 6, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

chrissuxcox is a desperate simpleton who is like a baby with a bright shiny rattle. when she needs something she cries. so intent of showing how clever she is (despite the impossiibility of the task) the creature relies mostly on chanting, name calling and false science, running for cover when confronted forcefully. But it is amusing to toy with watch this one:

Evolution is a fake theory for simpletons who can't find their own missing link. Reply if you are a Godless cretin.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I hope she runs for POTUS in '12, '16, '20, '24 and beyond. Maybe by her 4th loss the dead-enders will finally realize that she is a flakey, incompetent, non-curious, non-intelligent quitter who makes GWB look like a genius.

Posted by: jillcohen | July 6, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

no wonder jaked likes palin so much. Call him numbnutz and he runs away. Try it!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

BRB. For those who want to actually debate this point, I will review the biographies I have and let you know exactly what they were doing at this point in their "comebacks": Nixon (summer of 1965) and Reagan (summer of 1977).

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, if you are on Little Diomede Island, you can indeed see Russia (Big Diomede).

Posted by: mattintx | July 6, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"Many" people think jaked is god, too.

It only takes two (and often one suffices, especially online) to make "many." That's why it's a weasel word.

Try harder next time. Use words that mean something.

Posted by: mattintx | July 6, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification -- unfortunately, many Americans "choose" death for their unborn children -- as far as I know, Gov. Palin has not. Posted by: JakeD
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I'm not faulting her for her choices, just a little scary that Palin is hoping my future nieces, nephews, cousins any family member of mine are born with down syndrome.

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else, then, interested in a civil debate on the point (other than "chrisfox8" and "koolkat_1960" who are not by their own admission)?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If you (or anyone other than "chrisfox8") can point out how Nixon was better positioned, politically, for the White House

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"chrisfox8" answers "anyway"

Nixon had a fine mind, he was a brilliant scholar of international affairs.

Palin probably can't find Iran on a world map. And she can see Russia from an island in Alaska.

Other than the fact she and RMN are both H. sapiens, they have nothing whatever in common.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"You may be too young to remember, but most Republicans blamed Reagan for challenging Ford and pushing Carter over the top. Nixon was vacationing in Europe at this point in his comeback. Nice try though."

Thanks jaked, but I wasn't really trying to convince you of anything. No one really tries to reason with lunatic Palin supporters.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

McShame to Romney, Huckabee, Steele, Newt, Boehner, Hanitty, McConnel, Cantor, Limpballs and Bachmann we have her all juiced and primed, have at it!
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McShame, "she likes to be called barracuda momma!"

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

Thanks for the clarification -- unfortunately, many Americans "choose" death for their unborn children -- as far as I know, Gov. Palin has not.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"If you (or anyone other than "chrisfox8") can point out how Nixon was better positioned, politically, for the White House -- in terms of financial or grass-roots support specifically -- please convince me."

Happy to oblige, numbnutz. Richard Nixon had deep connections to well-moneyed Republicans in California as well as on the East Coast. Only well-moneyed idiots would support Sarah Palin.

As for grass-roots support, Palin has what we call a low ceiling. Her supporters, like you, are loyal and rabid, but they are a small minority even within the the Republican Party and there is little to no soft support for such a polarizing figure. So her numbers won't go much higher. Nixon, by contrast, was a mainstream Republican who had gotten 50 percent of the vote in 1960.

You sure are dumb.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

As I noted, below, Nixon's political obit was written (several times).

==

"To wear the mantle of Galileo, it is not enough to be persecuted: you must also be right."

It's not enough to be declared out of the running by an overzealous reporter, to stage a comeback one must have something to offer. Palin doesn't.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

koolkat_1960:

You may be too young to remember, but most Republicans blamed Reagan for challenging Ford and pushing Carter over the top. Nixon was vacationing in Europe at this point in his comeback. Nice try though.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Assuming I am passing judgement on who should live and who should die?" Posted by: JakeD
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I was speaking of myself. I don't have a choice of who lives or die's. Palin, I meant was making that choice.

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

She is poorly positioned for anything besides well paid speeches before audiences of rightwing morons

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... who will stand defiantly and applaud her.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

vbhoomes: I commend you for the reasoned response to jaked regarding Palin, Reagan, and Nixon -- since it's so close to my own response and since we rarely agree, it clearly is correct.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

vbhoomes:

As I noted, below, Nixon's political obit was written (several times). Yes, he had a more impressive resume, but was completely out of politics following his loss in the Governor's race here in California. I think it's a very good analogy. If you (or anyone other than "chrisfox8") can point out how Nixon was better positioned, politically, for the White House -- in terms of financial or grass-roots support specifically -- please convince me.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

chrissuxcox:

there's a call from the help desk. A couple of people can't find the "ON" button. Can you talk them through it or are you too busy?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"If anyone else disputes my contention that Gov. Palin is better postioned than either Reagan or Nixon were three years before they were elected, respectively, please let me know."

I dispute that, ace. Ronald Reagan in 1977 had been the successful governor of the largest state in the US. Richard Nixon in 1965 had served as vice president, senator, and representative. Neither was hated by any substantial segment of his own party.

Sarah Palin has served as the mayor of a tiny, trashy town and as the failed, quitting governor of one of the smallest states in the US. She is poorly positioned for anything besides well paid speeches before audiences of rightwing morons and a spread on www.milfhunters.com.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Actually, despite your plebian attempt to characterize me, I have a wife and kids, several houses and cars, a yacht and plenty of free time to use them. My family brings me immeasurable joy

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(*chuckle*)

yes the rich fulfillment that your life brings you shines through in your every post.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

JakeD; What are smokin dude, the comparison of Palin to Reagan and Nixon borders on comical. Nixon was a Senator and a two term Vice-President, Reagan, the two term Governor of the largest state in the Union. Palin, a little over two years in a state with small population before she quit with an incoherent speech. I appreciate the fact the you are a conservative but lets not give our critics ammunition by being uninformed in American History.

Posted by: vbhoomes | July 6, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

If anyone else disputes my contention that Gov. Palin is better postioned than either Reagan or Nixon were three years before they were elected, respectively, please let me know.

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If other posters doesn't already know what a dumb troll you are and wants to dispute your idiotic assertions about Palins' chances, they will do so with or without your invitation. You issue these stupid posts just to get attention. No wonder you like Palin, birds of a feather.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin is better postioned. Posted by: JakeD
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McShame to Romney, Huckabee, Steele, Newt, Boehner, Hanitty, McConnel, Cantor, Limpballs and Bachmann we have her all juiced and primed, have at it!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

What? I need to "honestly debate" the actions of a retard? pfft. No thanks. She will never be president because she can't see N. Korea from her kitchen window.

Posted by: madest | July 6, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

If anyone else disputes my contention that Gov. Palin is better postioned than either Reagan or Nixon were three years before they were elected, respectively, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

live in a room in your mom's single-wide.

Posted by: chrisuxcox

Actually, despite your plebian attempt to characterize me, I have a wife and kids, several houses and cars, a yacht and plenty of free time to use them. My family brings me immeasurable joy, something you clearly can't find in your dark little world.
and my job does not involve punching in and watching semicolons go by as I wait for time to go home. I spend more on gas for my boat than you make.

I do cutting edge research on mathematical modeling at my leisure and publish when permitted by application.

today my biggest concern is the sunburn I got Saturday while swimming at anchor.

But I am sure you, like drivl, have lots of really interesting work coming up "just around the corner".

but no one came here to trade personal info. Except you.

such a loser.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin is better postioned than either Reagan or Nixon were three years before they were elected -- I was almost going to say "even better than Obama" but we all know how that worked out -- no one who follows politics closely doubts that.

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Uh, pretty much EVERYONE who follows politics doubts Palin has any remaining chance on the national stage.

You live in fantasy-land. With Palin as the object of your desire.

(*shudder*)

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin:

I liked Gov. Sanford before he went off the reservation -- I won't vote for him now because he violated his marriage vows -- that has nothing to do with Gov. Palin (I hope ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

Then I simply don't undserstand your question (at 2:48 PM): "Assuming I am passing judgement on who should live and who should die?" I would be willing to answer if you explain, or perhaps re-phrase the question.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"If the implications were not so serious, the discrepancy between Mr. Obama's plans and real-world conditions would be hilarious, Posted by: king_of_zouk
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flash backs of 2000/2008

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Something for y'all to chew over:

Goodhair will surely lose to KBH, but SHP supports him. If she campaigns for him and he beats KBH, SHP "proves" she can win more electoral votes than Mondale.

Goodhair, who has national ambitions [No, I am not kidding] would be a likely VP nominee in the SHP '12 run.

I think all of that is so unlikely that I only mention it as a thought experiment.
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Back to Sanford. I argued earlier that he does not gain ground from this. Nobody bit.
But I hope someone who did like them both three weeks ago will tell me what s/he thinks, now.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | July 6, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

Too bad the Omama campaign was able to keep those Columbia documents out of view. Hillary tried to do the same re: her Saul Alinsky paper.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Are you asking me who I think that you should let live or die? Posted by: JakeD
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No!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

madest:

I hereby retract my question posed to you earlier -- my mistake -- I thought you were here for an honest debate of the issues.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama: 'I am not naïve'
Rosslyn Smith
That brief statement of Barack Obama's last month seems every bit as risible as Richard Nixon's "I am not a crook", after one reads the article on the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Obama wrote for the student newspaper his senior year at Columbia. The New York Times rediscovered the student article on Independence Day and seems to want to spin it as a sign of the president's deep nature.


He railed against discussions of "first- versus second-strike capabilities" that "suit the military-industrial interests" with their "billion-dollar erector sets," and agitated for the elimination of global arsenals holding tens of thousands of deadly warheads.

The student was Barack Obama, and he was clearly trying to sort out his thoughts. In the conclusion, he denounced "the twisted logic of which we are a part today" and praised student efforts to realize "the possibility of a decent world." But his article, "Breaking the War Mentality," which only recently has been rediscovered, said little about how to achieve the utopian dream.


Unfortunately that sorting out process hasn't exactly progressed in 26 years. Obama's plans for a nuclear free world today are just as chock full of high sounding rhetoric and wishful thinking and just as bereft of details as they were when he was a senior at Columbia as to exactly how one is to accomplish such a lofty goal in a world of rogue nations. Conveniently forgotten by The Times is that all the nuclear freeze movement predictions Obama supported about the shape of the future were wrong. Instead of leading to a nuclear Armageddon, the increases in defense spending under Reagan led to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Eastern block.


Obama seems determined to continue to pursue the policy goals he held as a student instead of learning from two decades of subsequent real world events. What is even more disturbing is how people like Richard Lugar continue to give Obama high marks for "being a good listener" and a "serious student" as they patronizingly give him a pass on the implementation of workable plans.


Most Americans outgrew their student mode shortly after they had to earn a living for themselves in jobs that had more quantifiable performance criteria than community organizing, Obama naive? Throw in sophistic, jejune and purblind to everything isn't a neat fit into ideological cubby holes that haven't change in two decades and you'll be on the right track. Frank Gaffney sums it up in Commentary:


"If the implications were not so serious, the discrepancy between Mr. Obama's plans and real-world conditions would be hilarious," said Frank J. Gaffney Jr., a Reagan-era Pentagon official who directs the Center for Security Policy, a private group in Washington.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

stpaulsage:

Gov. Palin is better postioned than either Reagan or Nixon were three years before they were elected -- I was almost going to say "even better than Obama" but we all know how that worked out -- no one who follows politics closely doubts that. So, there's always a way. Not sure if the American voting public will be harmed enough by Obama to make him the next Carter one-term President, but if they are, Palin is ready to lead.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

and still a junior programmer on the edge of unemployment, desperately trying to feel important and smart. If you ever made more than min wage, maybe you could buy yourself a life.

==

(*guffaw*)

My house and cars are all paid for, I have money and gold galore, and I make enough to salt away thousands per month, while you live in a room in your mom's single-wide.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a retarded baby maker. She believes that man and dinosaur roamed the planet together 6,000years ago. If that's what you're looking for in a president then good on ya! You're in the minority and will remain there as long as you follow fiction over science.

Posted by: madest | July 6, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing that pop up everywhere about Gov. Palin -- she has been nothing but respectful of the First Amendment

==

I seriously doubt she even knows what the First Amendment says.

But I bet she can recite the Second by heart, but that she leaves off the opening clause.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Minor quibble:

I think that this so damaging to Palin, that it actually helps Huckabee, as he's the only evangelical who hasn't blown up (Sanford, Ensign, Palin).

I don't see how she could get any oxygen after doing something so stupid and irrational.

Posted by: stpaulsage | July 6, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Richard Nixon gave his "you won't have me to kick around anymore" speech several years before he was elected President as well. On November 11, 1962, ABC's Howard K. Smith ran with a News and Comment entitled "The Political Obituary of Richard M. Nixon."

Luckily, as Lord Acton said: "Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

==

Nixon lost an election. Reagan lost a nomination.

Palin *quit*

You don't see any difference?

Then you're thto0pit

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"You found one page with one "scientist" whose research is directly refuted by both the EPA and the Hadley Center (who you brought into this conversation)"

This is also ad hominem. Your response to the charge that you base your argument upon the personal attack of the scientist that opposes you is to find a new scientist to attack as to justify your refusal to engage the data.

Posted by: gorak | July 6, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

JustTheFacts:

I keep seeing that pop up everywhere about Gov. Palin -- she has been nothing but respectful of the First Amendment, so there's no indication that would be any different as President -- did you "cut & paste" that from here:

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/opinion/06ross.html

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Ross Douthat at the NYT:

"Had she refused John McCain, Palin would still be a popular female governor in a Republican Party starved for future stars. Her scandals would be the stuff of local politics, her daughter’s pregnancy a minor story in the Lower 48, her son Trig’s parentage a nonissue even for conspiracy theorists. There would still be plenty of time to ease into the national spotlight, to bone up on the issues, and to craft a persona more appealing than the Mrs. Spiro Agnew role the McCain campaign assigned to her."


...

And now, seemingly, it’s over. Oh, maybe not forever: she’s only 45, young enough (and, yes, talented enough) to have a second act. But last Friday’s bizarre, rambling resignation speech should take her off the political map for the duration of the Obama era.

One hopes that was intentional. A Sarah Palin who stepped down for the sake of her family and her media-swarmed state deserves sympathy even from the millions of Americans who despise her. A Sarah Palin who resigned in the delusional belief that it would give her a better shot at the presidency in 2012 warrants no such kindness."

What follows is considerably more sympathetic, but omits for the sake of sympathy how bloody nasty she is and has been since we discovered her.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm 55
chrissuxcox

and still a junior programmer on the edge of unemployment, desperately trying to feel important and smart. If you ever made more than min wage, maybe you could buy yourself a life.

Hey, is that a ; out of place? Get to that right away. spend the rest of the day finding the other one.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"craven self indulgence"

Sarah Palin in three words.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Richard Nixon gave his "you won't have me to kick around anymore" speech several years before he was elected President as well. On November 11, 1962, ABC's Howard K. Smith ran with a News and Comment entitled "The Political Obituary of Richard M. Nixon."

Luckily, as Lord Acton said: "Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is indicative of just how nutty the entire GOP has become.

Palin, like most modern Republicans, is not a Goldwater-esque conservative. She is closer to an evangelical dominionist — out to set up the U.S. government as an instrument of “God’s dominion” on Earth. Those folks compete for attention in the Republican Party with devotees of Ayn Rand’s objectivist movement — which is an ideology so radical that its followers are opposed to outlawing child labor.

Compared to the right wing of today, the Goldwater conservatives of years past were pretty darned tame — and sane. I sure wish conservatives would make a come-back to replace the radicals who have taken over the GOP.

Posted by: JustTheFacts | July 6, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I would be more than happy to check back in here on Inauguration Day 2013.

==

So you can start all over again with Obama being inelegible to be president in his second term?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

nitwit. I will type slowly for you.

I could use "the golden rule" which is an age old morality having nothing to do with any particular religion. I could appeal to the "Veil of ignorance". I already suggested a Neitzche approach. none are based in religion.

If gathering feral cats and murdering pre-born humans represent your values, then you have invented a whole new one, which you may share with only drivl and brainz_missing and I suspect that most mature adults would reject as not in compliance with any measure of fairness, thoughfulness, charity, chasitity, strength, power or any known value except craven self indulgence. but that speaks volumes about your life and motivation.

you are clearly an abject reject form the family of man and morals.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Over 50 -- he claims to be over 70! At least those of us close to 50 were still in our 30s when we started with this nonsense 15 years ago, and therefore could act immature because we were immature. This nut would have been in his mid-50s at least the first time he typed LOL. To that I say, LOL

Posted by: koolkat_1960

==

I'm 55 and I abhor those kiddy abbreviations. Most of my friends are around my age and none of them ever write "lol" or "rofl" or "roflmao." That's for kids.

Jake is probably about 35, an unemployed loser collecting a nut check.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"I'd love to have a pic of Palin in handcuffs, to take a place of honor right next to the pic of Ken Lay."

Guys like jaked would like to have a pic in handcuffs too, but for very different reasons.

Heck, many guys who despise her would like to see pics of her in nothing but handcuffs, but they can separate their whacking-off from their political views. Guys like jaked cannot.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I saw it and I don't agree. She definitely wanted to leave things vague and to stir up more attention. That attention helps her to sell books or to get a show on cable. But the negative of quitting more than offsets any positive attention from being a "maverick" at this point in the political calendar. There is simply no upside (for a presidential run) for her not finishing her term of governor. The motive has to be more short-term, and thus, personal/financial.

==

All this assumes rational thought, a perennial mistake we on the left make in analyzing the right.

Palin clearly doesn't think ahead more than the next news cycle. She hadn't gotten her ration of special attention in a few days, she needed to come up with a way to get back in the news. She found it. I think that's the alpha and the omega here.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

sverigegrabb:

I would be more than happy to check back in here on Inauguration Day 2013.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"As for his age, show me one man over 50 who uses smilies and "lol" teenybopper crap."

Over 50 -- he claims to be over 70! At least those of us close to 50 were still in our 30s when we started with this nonsense 15 years ago, and therefore could act immature because we were immature. This nut would have been in his mid-50s at least the first time he typed LOL. To that I say, LOL

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Jake, why are you still "carrying water" for Palin? You "claim" that you're not a "Republican" which Sarah is. Why don't you revert to "carrying water" for "Alan Keyes" or maybe "MITT Romney," since "Sarah" now has no chance of getting the "nomination?"

And if "I" were "you" I would "work on" extending your "palette" of "trolling artifice" to "include" something "other than" the "sneer-quote."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

If you wish to participate in Palin's 'wishing will make it so' mindset, that is your choice, but PLEASE don't insult the intelligence of most of the commentators to this post by trying to spin the delusionary nonsense found on Palin's own web site!

It is perfectly possible that she will attempt to run in 2012; It is BEYOND unlikely that the Republican party will be so suicidal as to nominate her, and in that EXTREMELY unlikely event, it is even more unlikely that she might win against an incumbent--in this case your detested President Obama (aka 'Obambi')--with less than 30% of the likely vote.

The fascinating thing about politics though, as I'm sure CC will agree, is that one never knows with 100% certainty exactly what will happen--your and KoZ's pronouncements notwithstanding.

However, check back in once this becomes a verifiable reality--emphasis on verifiable.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | July 6, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD,

I saw it and I don't agree. She definitely wanted to leave things vague and to stir up more attention. That attention helps her to sell books or to get a show on cable. But the negative of quitting more than offsets any positive attention from being a "maverick" at this point in the political calendar. There is simply no upside (for a presidential run) for her not finishing her term of governor. The motive has to be more short-term, and thus, personal/financial.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

but morality is a tradition of agreed upon values of the society as a whole, historically the judeo-Christain approach in this country.

==

See? I said you couldn't make a case without appeal to religion, and I was right.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I was quoting Megan Stapleton to "prove" to madest that frivolous ethics complaint was one of those already dismissed (in response to his / her 2:45 PM post). It is only ONE example of the unprecedented attacks against Gov. Palin.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Her disjointed, rambling statement is no different than a delusional person would give. I am not saying it critically only that it is time to leave Ms Palin alone so she can heal go insome direction because now she is running in circles.

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Read the opening to Gail Collins' piece in the NYT. Palin used to babble when speaking off the cuff, this time her prepared remarks were babble.

Nobody knew she was resigning, not even the people managing her PAC, not even her brother. Every indication is that it was a very sudden move, one that didn't even give time to write a coherent speech or come up with a coherent justification.

That's one reason there is so much speculation about a crime being the reason, either an indictment on the way, or a dealsky to get out of one.

I'd love to have a pic of Palin in handcuffs, to take a place of honor right next to the pic of Ken Lay.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I see crime in the destruction of a mind

chrissuxcox

I see dead people

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Like anyone cares what you think. you're a loon. you can think whatever you like, You can invent your own private morality including cats rights and bird health care.

but morality is a tradition of agreed upon values of the society as a whole, historically the judeo-Christain approach in this country.

Murder is not wrong if you beleive that the strong are entitled. animals are the same as humans or pre-humans if you are a crazy cat lady. but most sane people go along with the biblical stuff.
and just because a bird is smarter than you, the assumption is not, the bird has a mind, it is that you don't.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Quoting Megan Stapleton to "prove" that Sarah Palin needed to quit is like repeating Palin's words only stated in a coherent manner. Palin is Stapleton's boss and the source of her income. Always trying to trick people to gain credibility. You are amazing.

Give it up Jake. Palin is currently having a mental illness crisis and the media is too polite to say it. Her disjointed, rambling statement is no different than a delusional person would give. I am not saying it critically only that it is time to leave Ms Palin alone so she can heal go insome direction because now she is running in circles.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 6, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I have no objection to Governor Palin resigning, for whatever reasons. My main sense here is that Chris Cillizza, as a political junkie, cannot fathom Palin's motives because they are *not* political.

Quitting doesn't help her get the nomination in 2012. It is the alternative to either running for re-election or staying on as a lame duck."

You know, when I first heard she was resigning, I thought the same thing. I figured she wasn't running for president since this was such an asinine thing to do if that were her goal. Then I saw the video of the speech, and to me it seemed like she was, in fact, doing this in order to run for President. Yeah, its an idiotic move, but from her words, that's what she is doing.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

Keep in mind that (before The One was annointed) the standard definition for a DEPRESSION was four consecutive quarters of negative GDP.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I certainly hope WHOMEVER the Republicans nominate for President beats Obama.

==

awwwww, I think someone needs a *hanky*

Who could the GOP come up with to beat Obama?

Palin? Out.

Gingrich? Unelectable.

Barbour? Please.

Huckabee? He'd need more than the evangelical vote, and that's all he'd get.

McCain? Too old, already lost once

Romney? Honey, where's the remote?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

On this Fourth of July weekend, after warning that it would launch a long-range missile at the United States--Hawaii--North Korea fired seven short range missiles, including four cruise missiles, an act intended as a provocation against the U.S. and the world community. The President of the United States did ... What?


"(T)wo senior officials in President Barack Obama's administration, speaking in advance of the launches, said any reaction was likely to be muted to avoid giving attention to Pyongyang or antagonize it. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly," according to the Associated Press.


Meanwhile, the governments of South Korea, Japan, Great Britain and France forcefully condemned the launches. Yes, even France even seems braver than the Obama administration.


And on this Fourth of July holiday, the Vice President of the United States admitted that this administration "misread the economy" even as it was ramming through legislation to, in effect, nationalize GM and major financial institutions, extend federal intervention in state-run programs, and dole out unprecedented pork to its allies under the guise of economic stimulus.

Meanwhile, with both the federal deficit and domestic unemployment rates soaring, the President of the United States was headed to Moscow where he was ready to announce billions of dollars of investments--in Russia.


A most unusual Fourth of July, indeed.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I see a greater crime, much greater, in euthanizing a healthy mammal or bird than in aborting a human fetus. At least the animal has a mind.

Posted by: chrisuxcox

and that folks, is why when loony Libs actually tell you their true feelings, they lose elections. Most times, they prevaricate, obfuscate and intimidate. Beats thinking.

Posted by: king_of_zouk

==

The "sanctity of human life" is a religious principle. I don't believe in the supernatural.

I see crime in the destruction of a mind, one that is self-aware. A fetus is not self-aware, an adult mammal or bird almost always is.

See if you can rebut that without religious appeal. You can't.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Choice means choice, chrisfox8. Idiotic is in the eye of the beholder.

In the recently released tapes, Nixon laments Roe v. Wade, but suggests abortion may have a place, in cases such as "a black and a white, or a rape." I imagine some posters here feel the same. Perhaps they wish a certain woman in Hawaii had chosen abortion over marrying a Kenyan.

Hypocrisy is so ugly.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

so there is hope for you yet. Posted by: king_of_zouk
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sad being all alone, you still have time!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

America may be in the midst of a deep recession, and the nation may be facing unprecedented deficit spending and debt, but the White House will not reveal the cost to taxpayers of the European vacation that first lady Michelle Obama and the president’s two daughters, Malia and Sasha, took last month.


Lib transparency. the banana despot rules apply.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

buddecj:

I certainly hope WHOMEVER the Republicans nominate for President beats Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

a no-nothing in economics and an anti-american coward in foreign policy...

Who’s really doing the attacking, zouk?


Posted by: thinman1

Those are simple facts.

Biden admitted they knew nothing about economics just yesterday.

Obambi is in Russia right now selling out our defense capabilites with no backing from anyone.

It is not attacking if it is 100% true.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

Are you asking me who I think that you should let live or die?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for proving Gov. Palin's point about the need for her to resign and let Alaska continue forward.

==

"A quitter never wins, and a winner ... never quits."
-- high school coaches all over America

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I see a greater crime, much greater, in euthanizing a healthy mammal or bird than in aborting a human fetus. At least the animal has a mind.

Posted by: chrisuxcox

and that folks, is why when loony Libs actually tell you their true feelings, they lose elections. Most times, they prevaricate, obfuscate and intimidate. Beats thinking.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The symbolism of Palin's move is that we now live in a time where being elected is less significant than having a tall soap box. Examples include the contrast in authority between Mr Steele and Limbaugh. She will be televised into a position of authority.

Posted by: buddecj | July 6, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Palin had to step down, her idiotic actions are causing her to spend millions of alaska's money own her and todds poor choices. we will be notified of this come 2011/2012.

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

King of zouk? More like king of hypocrisy.

He writes:
so as usual the moonbats are back on their heels with a sea of facts and instead of engaging the argument, they go for the personal attacks.

Yet a few sentences later, he then writes:
But hey, your glorious leader … a no-nothing in economics and an anti-american coward in foreign policy...

Who’s really doing the attacking, zouk?

Posted by: thinman1 | July 6, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Statement from Meghan Stapleton, SarahPAC Spokesperson

"We are pleased to learn that all the purchases and decisions made by senior campaign staffers, and paid for by the RNC and returned to the RNC, were all done according to the law. The clothes in this campaign were treated just like the many stages upon which the Governor stood and the hundreds of lights used to illuminate them; all were used during the campaign and returned upon its conclusion.

It is difficult to reconcile the obsessive reference to clothing on the campaign trail with any legitimate political issue and that leaves the unsettling conclusion that Governor Palin is the single national political figure who is critiqued on policy, family and clothing.

When people start asking details about the personal effects of other candidates, then maybe the double standard will be eliminated."

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news27.aspx

Thank you for proving Gov. Palin's point about the need for her to resign and let Alaska continue forward.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

She has an $11 million book deal--it's supposed to come out next spring. She has to write it (or at least cooperate with the ghost writer), and then she has to go on a book tour.

==

It'll be a with-book that will end up in the markdown pile by the end of the month. It'll sell maybe 50,000 copies within a few days of release and then hardly any more.

The great majority of those who buy it will admire her picture on the cover but never open it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Ok, one more before I go since you're such a good sport...

"so as usual the moonbats are back on their heels with a sea of facts and instead of engaging the argument, they go for the personal attacks."

I gave you multiple sites of scientific organizations loaded with actual research on global warming and the overwhelming consensus that it is occurring, increased CO2 production is responsible, and the trend will continue. You found one page with one "scientist" whose research is directly refuted by both the EPA and the Hadley Center (who you brought into this conversation), and then you criticize me for pointing out that the one person you cited is not a scientist, has been refuted, all the while making an appeal to authority claiming that he must be right because he cited a bunch of PhDs (none of which were writing on subjects even relating to global warming, btw). You brought up his credentials, challenging them isn't ad hominem. Just like your guys weak defense of Sarah Palin.

Sad, really.

Night all.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

either chrissuxcox is PMSing or several of his cats boycotted the hand-cooked lunch today.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

For the record, a certain percentage of women who discover that raising a kid is hard work murder their BORN children too. I do not consider that any more "fortunate".

Posted by: JakeD

==

Nobody cares what you "consider," "JakeD," you're a "moron."

How many women murder their "BORN" children? That's called infanticide. It's a crime, since a human dies. Abortion is not a crime, since only a fetus dies. Pity you're too stupid to understand that, but that's not the fault of pregnant women.

Bearing a mentally retarded child when already forewarned and with available ways to terminate is an idiotic decision and represents the starkest condemnation of the "pro-life" position there is.

I see a greater crime, much greater, in euthanizing a healthy mammal or bird than in aborting a human fetus. At least the animal has a mind.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

If the choice is between aborting them, however, yes "we need to have more Trigs in the world". Posted by: JakeD
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Assuming I am passing judgement on who should live and who should die?

The point, Palin bit off more the can chew. John McShame threw her to the wolves and she accepted that role.

And now in defeat, she is wishing harm, in my view, on the worlds young.

father muthee syndrome!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

madest:

That frivolous ethics complaint was one of those already dismissed -- please do try to keep up -- are you also upset about Obama's campaign spending more than that on make-up, lighting and other tools to make him look better on TV?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what global warming has to do with Sarah Palin. Except that certain posters have a tendency to change the subject when the discussion isn't going their way.

Personally, I have no objection to Governor Palin resigning, for whatever reasons. My main sense here is that Chris Cillizza, as a political junkie, cannot fathom Palin's motives because they are *not* political.

Quitting doesn't help her get the nomination in 2012. It is the alternative to either running for re-election or staying on as a lame duck.

She has an $11 million book deal--it's supposed to come out next spring. She has to write it (or at least cooperate with the ghost writer), and then she has to go on a book tour.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing desirable about giving birth to a child who will never become an adult.

Posted by: chrisuxcox

Maybe so, but how were your parents to know?

And proof that god is wise: you will never reproduce.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

For the record, a certain percentage of women who discover that raising a kid is hard work murder their BORN children too. I do not consider that any more "fortunate".

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Nothing surprising about Sarah Palins move. She simply realized she cannot have a $250k Niemen Marcus spending spree on a governors salary.

Posted by: madest | July 6, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

jaked: for your sake I actually hope you're lying about the Stanford Law degree and your age. You look far more pathetic if those things are actually true.

Posted by: koolkat_1960

==

Of course he is. He's exhibited neither the intellect nor the education anyone would expect from someone who would get into Stanford, much less graduate SCL. And he doesn't know anything about law.

As for his age, show me one man over 50 who uses smilies and "lol" teenybopper crap. He's a mental case collecting SSI.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

so as usual the moonbats are back on their heels with a sea of facts and instead of engaging the argument, they go for the personal attacks.

At least you didn't have to defend your weak position on its merits.

nice try brainz_missing but I suspect that wikipedia will only take you so far in your scholarship. But hey, your glorious leader was a scholar with no publications, an author of a book about himself, a candidate with two years experience, a no-nothing in economics and an anti-american coward in foreign policy, so there is hope for you yet.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

P.S. if Barack Obama was indeed born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii, then he is legitimately President of the United States.
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one would assume that, in this great country of ours!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

jaked: for your sake I actually hope you're lying about the Stanford Law degree and your age. You look far more pathetic if those things are actually true.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"you may notice that my climate change link is populated with PhDs writing using citations, facts and figures, while the moonbats has a cute little icon with "myth" and "fact" next to each unsubstantiated statement."

Actually, you can click on the link, then follow it to ohter links which will give you lots of research from numerous peer reviewed scientists. Maybe you should go back to school.

Me, it's a little after 11 at night here, I'm off.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The couple married on February 2, 1961, and Barack was born later that year. His parents separated when he was two years old and they divorced in 1964.
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Racially motivated separation, but ending up being a success story.

Historically, every racially motivated attack ends up a success story... "at the end of the day".

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Gail Collins and Maureen Dowd on the Palin meltdown:

"Truly, Sarah Palin has come a long way. When she ran for vice president, she frequently became disjointed and garbled when she departed from her prepared remarks. Now the prepared remarks are incoherent, too."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/04/opinion/04collins.html

"Sarah wanted everyone to know that she’s not having fun and people are being mean to her and she doesn’t feel like finishing her first term as governor."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/opinion/05dowd.html

I recommend reading them both in their entirety...they're dang entertaining!

Posted by: Bondosan | July 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

If the choice is between aborting them, however, yes "we need to have more Trigs in the world".

Posted by: JakeD

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Fortunately, 90% of women who discover they are carrying a Down syndrome baby disagree with you, and get an abortion.

Having technology available to warn us of developmental abnormalities in the womb and ignoring the information is as stupid as seeing an oncoming train and driving in front of it anyway.

There is nothing desirable about giving birth to a child who will never become an adult.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Eeeegad. A real scientist, not as political tool, speaks."

Wow, he found ONE!!!!

Wait a second...the guy is a political tool....who predicted global cooling...in the 1990's...and apparently "doctor" is an honorary title for this astrologist, as I can't seem to find a record either of his education or what his doctorate was in.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Landscheidt


Theodor Landscheidt (born in 1927 in Bremen, Germany, died on May 20, 2004) was an author, astrologer and amateur climatologist.[1]

In 1989, Landscheidt forecast a period of sunspot minima after 1990, accompanied by increased cold, with a stronger minima and more intense cold which should peak in 2030 [1], which he described as the "Landscheidt Minimum" [2] His work on solar cycles is cited by global warming skeptics [3] to argue that observed warming is not anthropogenic and will soon be reversed, based on an assumption that fluctuations in climate are controlled by solar activity.[4]

In 1983 he founded and financed the Schroeter Institute for Research in Cycles of Solar Activity in Lilienthal, near Bremen. [5] The Institute later moved with him to Nova Scotia, Canada.

In 2000, Landscheidt was a panelist at Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy Global Warming Conference [2].

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

If you moonbats didn't know so much, maybe you wouldn't be so stupid:

Cycles of big fingers have a mean length of 35.8 years (178.8 years [big hand] / 5 = 35.76 years [big fingers]). They are closely connected with solar activity. They coincide with maxima and minima in the Gleissberg cycle and open up the possibility of predicting these crucial phases many years ahead [62, 63]. As will be shown below, they also define the length of the 22.1-year magnetic cycle of sunspot activity (Hale cycle). As far as climatic change is concerned, cycles of a length of 36 years are not new. Francis Bacon [102] has already pointed to a cycle in the Netherlands with a length of 35 to 40 years with cool and wet phases followed by warm and dry periods. E. Brückner [7] discovered this cycle again in 1887. He demonstrated that varied climatic phenomena in different regions of the world show synchronized phases in a cycle of 33 to 37 years. He had already surmised in those days a connection with the sun’s activity. H. W. Clough [11, 12] followed this suggestion and found the Brückner cycle not only in 12 meteorological variables, but also in sunspots and especially in variations in the length of the 11-year sunspot cycle. D. V. Hoyt and K. H. Schatten [39] think that the reality of the cycle is confirmed by Scandinavian tree ring data which show its rhythm over hundreds of years. With regard to Brückner’s supposition of a connection with the sun’s activity, they ask which index of solar activity would conform with a 36-year cycle. The results presented here answer this question.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Evolution is only a theory and can't be proven

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Anyone who would use a word like "proven" talking about science knows nothing about science.

Evolution is more robustly "proven" than gravity. Evolution is corroborated by many unrelated disciplines, with gravity we only have the fact of its existence, there is no solid underlying theory.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It's true that evolution and gravity are falsifiable theories. That's as true as it gets in science: what can be predicted with precision, not what is accurate. Just like you see gravity proven as a theory day in, day out, as the planets orbit the sun and objects fall, as a physician, I see evolution proved day in, day out, as microbes mutate their genetic code, at random, and then survive to reproduce according to their resistance to the antibiotics used against them. Generation after generation after generation....
And I repeat my *opinion* (no falsifiable science here!), Sarah Palin is a total imbecile who brings shame to America every time she walks in front of a camera and opens her mouth.

Posted by: mattfugazi | July 6, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

P.P.S. guess I just "lied" about that too. Never mind ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

P.S. if Barack Obama was indeed born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii, then he is legitimately President of the United States.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey jaked, thanks for proving that the idiot Palin could not answer a simple straightforward question: What newspapers do you read? Nope, she couldn't/wouldn't do it.

And the moron was a JOURNALISM major. LOL

Stanford Law: The Law School for imbeciles!

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Don't knock Stanford, they didn't give Jake a degree, he's lying about having a Stanford degree just as he's lying about everything else. His age, his retirement, his political affiliation ("registered independent" is babble), and everything else.

Jake is a GOP troll. They always lie, about everything, their own lives most of all.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

She's not saying that we should go out and purposefully create test-tube babies with Down syndrome. If the choice is between aborting them, however, yes "we need to have more Trigs in the world".

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States, to Stanley Ann Dunham, an American of mainly English descent from Wichita, Kansas, and Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya.

Obama's parents met in 1960 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa, where his father was a foreign student on scholarship.

The couple married on February 2, 1961, and Barack was born later that year. His parents separated when he was two years old and they divorced in 1964.

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Also, I never said that she is the best person for the job. That was Alan Keyes last time around. Next canard?

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For those new here, this is Jake's "autistic" troll, where he denies the literal meaning of words and ignores the actual point.

The question isn't whether or not Palin would be the best person for the job, the question is whether or not she has any qualifications for it, inclcuding experience and temperament. The answer is a resounding no.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile:

Well, if I got to choose, it would be me. From those running, though, probably Romney and Palin, not necessarily in that order.

BTW: you probably know that George Will and Lisa Murkowski haven't liked Gov. Palin since before she hit the national stage. Just because Karl Rove, Fred Barnes, Todd Harris, Dan Schnur, and the numerous other noted conservatives can't figure out her game plan does not mean she doesn't have one ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

you may notice that my climate change link is populated with PhDs writing using citations, facts and figures, while the moonbats has a cute little icon with "myth" and "fact" next to each unsubstantiated statement.

but that pretty much eclipses the left's ability to participate in logical and technical subjects.

Watch this:

Evolution is only a theory and can't be proven. Even gravity is not firmly established as a law.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I can't help to think that when Palin said... "we need to have more trigs in the world" that, that was a pretty bad suggestion for a mother to think.

Does every conservative think the same way?

Wouldn't that fullfilment raise health care cost?

Trig is her son who was born with down syndrome.

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"I take it you would have no criticisms at all, then, if she had simply announced that she was not running for re-election and spent the time as a "lame duck" taking out-of-State junkets? Come on, who are you trying to fool?"

Of course, becuase naturally those were the only two choices....

So who is the best this time around (seriously, Alan Keyes??)? You seem to be pushing Palin pretty hard; who, if you had to choose right now, do you think is the best person for the job?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"COURIC: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious: what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

PALIN: I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

COURIC: But, like, what ones specifically? I'm curious.

PALIN: All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years.

COURIC: Can you name a few?

PALIN: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where, it's kind of suggested and it seems like, 'Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C. may be thinking and doing when you live up there in Alaska?' Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America."

Hey jaked, thanks for proving that the idiot Palin could not answer a simple straightforward question: What newspapers do you read? Nope, she couldn't/wouldn't do it.

And the moron was a JOURNALISM major. LOL

Stanford Law: The Law School for imbeciles!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't share any of his specific white supremacist or Holocaust-denial / anti-Semetic views, but my first name starts with a "J".

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You're much more in tune with Scott Roeder than with von Brunn.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The intensity of cosmic rays changes climate.

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"cosmic rays" are extremely high energy particles (protons, photons, at that energy is scarcely matters)

Solar output reaching the earth ("insolation") has been measured for centuries. If it changed by any degree enough to account for the warming we're experiencing, the consequences would be much more dire; life on earth depends more than anything else on stable insolation.

There have been no changes in insolation that could account for the warming. Anyone who says that insolation changes account for global warming is a scientifically illiterate idiot.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

“Consequently we should conclude that climatic change cannot be predicted.
It is correct that the varied and complex processes in the atmosphere cannot be predicted beyond the theoretical limit of a month via step by step calculations in circulation models, neither today, nor in the future. Yet there is the possibility of a conditioned forecast. The condition is that a special factor within the complex cause-and effect relationship is so strong in its effect that it clearly dominates all other factors. In addition, the behaviour of that single dominant causal factor must be predictable with certainty or a high degree of probability.”


http://www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm

Eeeegad. A real scientist, not as political tool, speaks.

Warning: Libs may have preconceived poltitical dogma at risk.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"all the moonbats that disliked Sarah Palin last week, will criticize this move."

So George Will, Karl Rove, Lisa Murkowski, Fred Barnes, Todd Harris, Dan Schnur, and the numerous other noted conservatives who have criticized her over this and written her political obituary are all moonbats now? Did you ever think that maybe, just, maybe, when you are that isolated, that you're the nutty one as opposed to everyone else?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile:

I take it you would have no criticisms at all, then, if she had simply announced that she was not running for re-election and spent the time as a "lame duck" taking out-of-State junkets? Come on, who are you trying to fool?

Also, I never said that she is the best person for the job. That was Alan Keyes last time around. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Republicans nominate Sarah in 2012 as well.

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Looks like JakeD has become a Democrat

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

No, Jake, but you both believe that President Obama is hiding something about his citizenship. So you share the views of a white supremacist.

Posted by: thinman1 | July 6, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"I disagree, Kreuz. I think in the near future it will be Wall Street & the Christian right uniting with the neo-cons to take on Obama's plans."

No, that was the gameplan for the last 30 years, now the are too busy blaming each other for the party's recent failure and leaders on both sides of the divide see too much personal gain. It didn't stop them in 1964, at the height of the Great Socety.

"People who know me know that besides faith and family, nothing's more important to me than our beloved Alaska."

And I show my love for it by leaving at this most important time....

"Every one - all 15 of the ethics complaints have been dismissed."

After I circumvented the process and had my own appointee serve as the judge of them....

"but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out."

No, quitting is the quitters way out.


"Because she would be a better President than Obama is."

Based on??? Seriously, I can see policy disagreements leading you to believe ANY Republican would be a better president, but why do you honestly think she is the best person for the job?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

And love her or hate her, she will draw big ratings. In case you haven't noticed, she is not hard on the eyes.

Posted by: vbhoomes

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That won't last. Months of speeches under temperate-zone sunlight have already taken a toll.

And she remains *gratingly* hard on the ears. Don't forget that.

Most people can only take so much of the nasty stuff, and only a few people can pick out resonance from her babble.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! I don't share any of his specific white supremacist or Holocaust-denial / anti-Semetic views, but my first name starts with a "J". That's enough for libs.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Now here is a wild prediction. Hold on to your horses.

all the moonbats that disliked Sarah Palin last week, will criticize this move.

Like any thinking person cares a whit what liberal moonbats think. all you have to do is listen to Elenor Clift every Sunday and you know exactly what every single one of them think. See how easy it is?


now please go back to your oh so predicatable rants. Demonstrate your vast intellectual superiority and quick witted inventivesness. Make some dumb jokes, sprinkle a few insults, put down religion, claim to be smarter than everyone else and lie like crazy about your intentions, policies and results.

I am not so sure Ms Palin is waiting on pins and needles to find out what brainz_missing and chrissuxcox thinks of her motivation.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Always fun to see JakeD, who shares the views of white supremacist and Holocaust museum attacker Joseph von Brunn, opining away on these boards.

Posted by: thinman1 | July 6, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming"

maybe you should try reading the source, the Hadley Center itself:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/guide/bigpicture/

The big picture
Climate change is a complex subject, with genuine areas of uncertainty and scientific controversy. There are also a number of misunderstandings which are recycled, often by non-climate scientists, and portrayed as scientific fact. As one of the world's leading centres on climate change we believe it is important to address all the issues. In this section you will find the known facts about climate change.

Climate change facts

Fact 1
Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it.

Fact 2
Temperatures are continuing to rise.

Fact 3
The current climate change is not just part of a natural cycle.

Fact 4
Recent warming cannot be explained by the Sun or natural factors alone.

Fact 5
If we continue emitting greenhouse gases this warming will continue and delaying action will make the problem more difficult to fix.

Fact 6
Climate models predict the main features of future climate.

Climate change myths

Myth 1
The intensity of cosmic rays changes climate.

Myth 2
Drop in monthly global temperature means global warming has stopped.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

armpeg - the MSM in bed with Obimbo is not news. everyone knows.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

jrosco3 (did you miss her explanation?):

"People who know me know that besides faith and family, nothing's more important to me than our beloved Alaska.

Alaska's mission - to contribute to America. We're strategic IN the world as the air crossroads OF the world, as a gatekeeper of the continent. Bold visionaries knew this - Alaska would be part of America's great destiny.

Our destiny to be reached by responsibly developing our natural resources. This land, blessed with clean air, water, wildlife, minerals, AND oil and gas. It's energy! God gave us energy.

So to serve the state is a humbling responsibility, because I know in my soul that Alaska is of such import, for America's security, in our very volatile world. And you know me by now, I promised even four years ago to show MY independence... no more conventional "politics as usual".

...

"Political operatives descended on Alaska last August, digging for dirt. The ethics law I championed became their weapon of choice. Over the past nine months I've been accused of all sorts of frivolous ethics violations - such as holding a fish in a photograph, wearing a jacket with a logo on it, and answering reporters' questions.

Every one - all 15 of the ethics complaints have been dismissed. We've won! But it hasn't been cheap - the State has wasted THOUSANDS of hours of YOUR time and shelled out some two million of YOUR dollars to respond to "opposition research" - that's money NOT going to fund teachers or troopers - or safer roads. And this political absurdity, the "politics of personal destruction" ... Todd and I are looking at more than half a million dollars in legal bills in order to set the record straight. And what about the people who offer up these silly accusations? It doesn't cost them a dime so they're not going to stop draining public resources - spending other peoples' money in their game.

It's pretty insane - my staff and I spend most of our day dealing with THIS instead of progressing our state now. I know I promised no more "politics as usual," but THIS isn't what anyone had in mind for ALASKA."

...

"[Therefore] Life is too short to compromise time and resources... it may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: "Sit down and shut up", but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out. And a problem in our country today is apathy. It would be apathetic to just hunker down and "go with the flow".

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

It's of topic of course, but when will you Chris Cillizza START writing about what should be the biggest political scandal to come along in many years, the Washington Posts and the Obama administrations collution to sell political influence and access to lobbyists who kick in big bucks-i e bribes. If Pres. George W. Bush had done something like this, you and the rest of the Democrap Socialist Party--controlled Main Stream Media would hit the ceiling and this would be another Watergate. So maybe tell us why this news has been totally and completely censored?

Posted by: armpeg | July 6, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, I hate that bigoted, ignorant, hayseed slag. I am a gay man-- if she had her way, she'd have me locked in a Jesus camp. Guess that makes me one of dem dair Librul elites!!!

Posted by: mattfugazi | July 6, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

palins political career is indicative to her college career. will she ever accomplish one solid stretch of comittment?

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Now that I am inverted I see that No Lobbysits actually means the most lobbysits.

I understand that transparancy means everything is choreographed ahead of time.

I see that saving 10 billion is principled and fierce while spending 2 trillion is, wait, that one still confuses me.

I see that cutting missile defense is wise as Korea takes aim at Hawaii.

I understand that rallying with chavez on Nicuragua is courageous but meddling in Iran is cowardly, even if I change my tune after Hillary chastises me.

But all this head standing is rushing the blood to my head. I think my brains leaked out. I may be stuck as a Lib for life if I don't straighten up.

brainz_missing, how do you do it?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

fugitivenyc:

I hope the Republicans nominate Sarah in 2012 as well.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Again with the 2012 ambitions? Come on, Chris.

Palin's abrupt and bizarre resignation paints her as a quitter. Period. All the king's horsesh*t and all the king's spinners can't put this humpty doofus together again.

I think whoever called her the next Phyllis Schlafley nailed it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 6, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Grassley calls Palin's decision "astounding", George Will says she's a quitter as does Alaska's Repub senator Murkowski. Even Rove says the conservatives are " perplexed". Her failure to explain herself to her state is simply mind boggling.

Posted by: jrosco3 | July 6, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

palins political career is indicative to her college career.

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Kreuz wrote "3. Newt Gingrich - He's been picking up some attention recently, but now it will be Wall Street vs. the Christian Right with Romney v. Palin for the near future dominating the discussion."

I disagree, Kreuz. I think in the near future it will be Wall Street & the Christian right uniting with the neo-cons to take on Obama's plans. The public option, Cap & Trade, engagement with Iran's tyrannical gov't., trying to get rid of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" & the spending of the stimulus bill while unemployment is still rising. All of these fights will play themselves out and unite the R party, at least until 2011. Then in 2011, we will get to the Presidential race. Until 2011, it's time for the R party to fight Obama's policies.

Posted by: reason5 | July 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Kreuz wrote "3. Newt Gingrich - He's been picking up some attention recently, but now it will be Wall Street vs. the Christian Right with Romney v. Palin for the near future dominating the discussion."

I disagree, Kreuz. I think in the near future it will be Wall Street & the Christian right uniting with the neo-cons to take on Obama's plans. The public option, Cap & Trade, engagement with Iran's tyrannical gov't., trying to get rid of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" & the spending of the stimulus bill while unemployment is still rising. All of these fights will play themselves out and unite the R party, at least until 2011. Then in 2011, we will get to the Presidential race. Until 2011, it's time for the R party to fight Obama's policies.

Posted by: reason5 | July 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering how long before we saw a Michael Asher blog posting on here. The guy has carved quite a little niche for himself.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Right wingers constantly complain that their beloved Sarah has been trashed by the snooty-lefty elites in the media and Ivy League institutions. Nonsense! The only elites I worry about are billionaires like Rupert Murdoch who consolidate their power and wealth by exploiting the ignorance of the forty-something percent of Americans who approve of Gov. Palin.

We already endured eight years of the intellectually incurious guy in the White House, and look where we are now. We surely do not need the female version. But I hope the Republicans nominate Sarah in 2012, thus ensuring President Obama's landslide re-election.

Posted by: fugitivenyc | July 6, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Because she would be a better President than Obama is.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

So … after hundreds of billions of dollars, government seizures of GM, Citigroup and others, imminent bank nationalization, Posted by: king_of_zouk
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I love smelling tax payers dollars in the morning!

Posted by: opp88 | July 6, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

jakeD - will that be before all the job saving results in unemployment rising to 20%

Maybe it will happen before the stimulus, that resulted in the most spending ever, gets us nowhere.

Or perhaps the splurge in taxes that leads to all that frugality and discipline.

No? Could it occur before all the surrender and apoligizing and empty defense budgets lead to nuclear bombs in despot hands and missiles falling on our heads every weekend.

It better hurry up.

It most certainly will have to wait for that better, bigger and of course, cheaper health care.
Perhaps if I stand on my head this will make more semse.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"kreuz_missile:

If Palin is President in four years, will you admit this wasn't a dumb move?"

Sure, not gonna happen though. No way in hell. She is a quitter who bailed on her state because she was being criticized. Sorry, what she got was nothing compared to what Clinton and Bush got, and nothing compared to what she would get were she the lead of the ticket or the actual President. She quit three colleges before graduatin, she quit her position on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (would have been considered a virtuee were it not now part of a trend), and she quit as governor after just two years. She has less than no resume to run on, she is a joke. Why exactly do you want her in the White House?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Yippee, we have a republic again! We're right there with you, Sarah, gotta move now rather than later if we're ever to sweep the crooks and debris out of DC, both sides of the aisle, both parties!

Posted by: LauraVW | July 6, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Yippee, we have a republic again! We're right there with you, Sarah, gotta move now rather than later if we're ever to sweep the crooks and debris out of DC, both sides of the aisle, both parties!

Posted by: LauraVW | July 6, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

But, don't you know that global WARMING will eventually cause everyone to freeze to death?!

(snicker)

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Eeeeekkk. Real Science. run for the hills Libs.

Or you could do what you usually do. Obfuscate. Talk about whether evolution is a theory or gravity is a law. What else can you do in your situation?

Now why would anyone listen to a scientist when we have blowhards like al gore raking in the dough and convenient idiots like brainz_missing.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature%20Monitors%20Report%20Widescale%20Global%20Cooling/article10866.htm

Oh no. competing facts. You Libs will have to resort back to name calling now.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Will Obama's detractors EVER quit with the lame teleprompter references?"

They have nothing else, other than labels they don't understand themselves.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"I got an idea. Refuse to cooperate with the pre-positioned questions from Obimbo."

Now you prove once and for all you are an idiot parroting talking points. Inviting a blogger to ask a question is not planting a question. you want proof? Maybe you fools should focus more on the fact that HE DUCKED THE QUESTION. milbank is accusing him of planting the question not to suggest Obama is biased, he sees blogs as a huge threat for the reason you identified above - the MSM no longer knows how to do their job and Nico Pintey is by far doing the best job covering Iran, putting Milbank and his pals to shame, and they're running scared.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile:

If Palin is President in four years, will you admit this wasn't a dumb move?

king_of_zouk:

Do you think that "zvelf" has even seen the actual question / answer?

COURIC: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious: what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

PALIN: I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

COURIC: But, like, what ones specifically? I'm curious.

PALIN: All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years.

COURIC: Can you name a few?

PALIN: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where, it's kind of suggested and it seems like, 'Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C. may be thinking and doing when you live up there in Alaska?' Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and their chums are spending at a rate that threatens American stability."

American Stability?? We were on the verge of a depression and had a market with the bottom falling out when Obama took office...

"it’s all been tried before, and it’s all failed before."

Like conservatism...

"there’s been no net warming in the 21st century, and more accurately, a decline."

Cite? How about this one: http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recenttc_triad.html

Poor KoZ, still doesn't understand what the word "fact" means.

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Now, back to reality, rather than KoZ and the Republican Party's "alternate reality" (http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2009/06/10/krauthammers-alternate-reality/).

Winners:

1. Don Young (reasons above)
2. Mitt Romney
3. Alaska (it likes a low profile, and though I actually prefer Palin to Parnell, at least we have a governor again)
4. America (would be higher but the effect is more immediate for Alaska than the rest of the US)
5. CC- you're a nerd, you know you loved writing more than watching fireworks

Losers:
1. Sarah Palin - I think she does truly see this as a step towards 2012, and I don't think she realizes what a dumb move it was.
2. National GOP - Palin will lay low for a few months, but whether she has a broader PAC in mind or a 2012 run in mind, she has a cult-like following that will drive the party nuts and possibly tear it right at the seams moreso than in 1964, not to mention than this piled on top of Sanford and Ensign makes the whole world look at the party and wonder what the heck is going on and wondering what will be the next shoe to drop.
3. Newt Gingrich - He's been picking up some attention recently, but now it will be Wall Street vs. the Christian Right with Romney v. Palin for the near future dominating the discussion.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

one of the most surprising, perplexing and just plain fascinating moves from a national politician in recent memory.


Question = why is every single piece of political news so confusing and perplexing to the MSM? Maybe if you buffoons actually did your job you might not always be so out to lunch.

I got an idea. Refuse to cooperate with the pre-positioned questions from Obimbo.

I am pretty much convinced that the inside the beltway crowd is as out of their depth as the foreign policy experts in the administration.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse


Obama, H. Clinton, Emanuel, etc did "quit" their elected positions--in order to take other positions in government. Sarah claims to have a "higher calling" but has not yet explained to the citizens of Alaska what that calling may be.

It may not be completely selfless to trade one job in government for another, but to resign as governor to do...what? may be entirely selfish, depending on her next move.

Obama and Clinton did not quit the Senate in order to run for president. Even Bob Dole didn't quit until he had the nomination.

She quit because she didn't like her chances of re-election, and didn't want to "waste" the next 16 months in Juneau before cashing in on her so-called "conservative credentials."

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

reason5:

Mr. Cillizza already noted the CW that Romney is a "winner" from this. Good point about Pawlenty though.

jrosco3:

McCain's decision to pick Gov. Palin was "perplexing" as well (until you realize that he wouldn't have even gotten 58 million votes had he picked anyone else).

Jimdandy2:

If you need me to clarify my question to you ("May I ask where your highest degree is from?") or why I asked it (given your "The fact that she has a following at all is more of a sad comment on the intelligence and education of a segment of the US population"), please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

zvelf:

gets its news from SNL and Letterman. but still ranks in the top 10% of most aware in Lib circles.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Winners:

Don Young: With Parnell in the governor's office, Young is well on his way to reelection. Forget the ethics issues, Alaskan's will forgive & forget as long as Young continues to fight for money to their state.

Tim Pawlenty Hayley Barbour: With Sanford, Ensign & now Palin being in the spotlight with some negatives (Palin less than Barbour & Sanford), Pawlenty & Barbour get to set back & watch the frenzy but stay above the frey as serious politicians. One could argue Romney is a winner here, too. Romney has some negatives of being a flip flopper & political opportunist already. His positives of being a great economic cheif is also known. But Barbour & Pawlenty have a great shot to introduce themselves to the public on a good note. Barbour will have a tougher time: former tobacco lobbyist, Gov. of Miss. which has a very high obesity problem, a high unemployment rate, an impoverished economy & he didn't fix these problems while in office. He's very conservative and is in with the Washington establishment. Pawlenty has won reelection twice to Minn.'s governor's seat. He has balanced a budget in Minn. without raising taxes. Pawlenty is socially conservative, but attacks kitchen table issues first. He's done a great job in Minn., which has actually balanced a budget. I think, unless alot of things do change in the next 3 1/2 years, T-Paw's record will match up against Obama's well.

Posted by: reason5 | July 6, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

zvelf:

Gov. Palin never claimed that merely living in Alaska gave her foreign policy experience, and she said she read ALL of the newspapers / magazines she's given to read -- the White House has a similar press clipping service for Obama -- do you have any non-strawman arguments?

You probably think that Biden "massacre[d]" her in their debate too. Careful what you wish for.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah is not dumb, she needs money, she will get her show on Fox News. What better format could she have to get even with the Dowds of the World. And love her or hate her, she will draw big ratings. In case you haven't noticed, she is not hard on the eyes.

Posted by: vbhoomes | July 6, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Also, America doesn’t like quitters.

Posted by: zvelf


didn't Obambi quit the Senate?? didn't hillary? How about Rahm and Sebelius.

you Libs are kooks.

Obimbo has never said a thing that wasn't read from the teleprompter in front of him.

his pitiful experience is evident lately as he bumbles his way from failure to failure. his anti- american morality and surrender and apology methodology is not what americans desire, as evidenced in the plummeting ratings.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a political joke that keeps on resurrecting itself with a new punchline.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

jaked: "Jimdandy2:

"The fact that she has a following at all is more of a sad comment on the intelligence and education of a segment of the US population."

May I ask where your highest degree is from?"

Here's conclusive proof that a Stanford Law degree is best used for wiping one's rear end after a highly satisfying trip to the bathroom.

Of course, if jaked was only lying about that degree, I take that back.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 6, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"SarahPAC believes America's best days are ahead. Our country, founded on conservative principles and the fight for freedom, must confront the challenges of the 21st century with integrity, innovation, and determination."
By quitting.

"SarahPAC believes energy independence is a cornerstone of the economic security and progress that every American family wants and deserves."
By quitting the commanding post of our most energy-rich state in the union.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 6, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Gov Palin's decision to resign is indeed perplexing. The explanation given to her state in a quickly called news conference in which she took no questions was weak, vague and bizarre. Her decision and the way she announced it was anything but courageous; in fact, it had an air of desperation.

Pres Obama and generally the Dems are winners as many of the "leading" elected Repubs who had at least a shot of wresting back control of their party from the talk radio and foxnews guys self destruct one after another.

Posted by: jrosco3 | July 6, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

While the U.S. is going full throttle for Scandinavia-a-go-go, the Continentals have begun to discern to the limits of Europeanization. In 2007, government spending in Europe averaged 46.2 percent of GDP; in America it was 37.4 percent, of which 20 percent was federal. A mere two years later, federal spending is up to 28.5 percent, so, even if state and local spending stand still, we’re at 46 percent: the European average. But, as Randall Hoven points out, the real story is that we’re at 46 percent and climbing, the Continentals are at 46 percent and heading down. In 1993, government spending averaged 52.2 percent in Europe, and 70.9 percent in Sweden. The Swedes have reduced government spending (as a fraction of GDP) by almost a third in the last 15 years. Their corporate tax rates are lower than ours. And that’s before Obama’s raised them. Last week, the donut chain Tim Hortons, which operates on both sides of the border but is incorporated in the state of Delaware, announced that it was reorganizing itself as a Canadian corporation to take advantage of Canadian tax rates.


“To take advantage of Canadian tax rates”? What kind of cockamamie phrase is that? And who’d have thought any columnist south of the border would ever have cause to type it?

The Europeans have figured out you can be too European for your own good, and are trying to re-acquaint themselves with the real world. But not Obama. Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead! Male unemployment has hit ten percent? The stimulus is a bust? It’s stimulating nothing but non-jobs like Executive Stimulus Coordinator for Community Organization Stimulus Assistance Programs? Hey, let’s spend even more, even faster, even less stimulatingly!

President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and their chums are spending at a rate that threatens American stability. And, except for the scale and the dollar figure, it’s all been tried before, and it’s all failed before.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Ooops, another dumb Lib idea falls to the weight of FACTS:

If you’re 29, there has been no global warming for your entire adult life. If you’re graduating high school, there has been no global warming since you entered first grade. There has been no global warming this century. None. Admittedly the 21st century is only one century out of the many centuries of planetary existence, but it happens to be the one you’re stuck living in. Alan Carlin, in a report for the Environmental Protection Racket — whoops, Environmental Protection Agency — that they attempted to suppress, says:

Fossil fuel and cement emissions increased by 3.3 percent per year during 2000-2006, compared to 1.3 percent per year in the 1990s. Similarly, atmospheric C02 concentrations increased by 1.93 parts per million per year during 2000-2006, compared to 1.58 ppm in the 1990s. And yet, despite accelerating emission rates and concentrations, there’s been no net warming in the 21st century, and more accurately, a decline.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

As an independent with a pro-Dem bent, I very much hope Palin runs against Obama in 2012. She’ll be a lot easier to beat than Romney or Huckabee. It’s strange that liberals and conservatives both rejoice in Palin’s probable running because she’s traded one handicap for another. She may no longer have the duties of governor and can escape Alaska to build a campaign machine, but she also threw away her only significant political accomplishment and the only one that could address her greatest political liability – her inexperience. One can claim Obama also had relative inexperience, but he continually proved his knowledge in every political area when questioned on them. He did not claim merely living in Alaska gave him foreign policy experience. He would not be unable to name a single periodical that he reads. He doesn’t ramble nonsensically when asked questions but gives thoughtful answers and contextualizes them. You better believe that when Palin runs again, all the old Couric and Gibson footage will revive, and Obama would massacre her in a debate. Also, America doesn’t like quitters.

Posted by: zvelf | July 6, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Here’s a tutorial for up-and-coming thugs abroad, who wish to ingratiate themselves with Western elites, not worry about “legitimacy,” and not have someone meddle in their affairs.


Don’t use the hobgoblin word Communism: It’s always socialism when you nationalize, steal property, take over businesses, shoot protestors, and shut down newspapers. Stay on message: The enemy is “globalization,” capitalism, imperialism, racism, sexism, and always the United States. Be sure to use the buzz words “democracy” or “republic” in all your briefings, as in “The People’s Republic of . . . ” or “The Democratic Federation of . . . ” Throw in “rule of law” and “constitution” anytime you shoot more than 100; evoke an Egyptian novelist, Martin Luther King, or Nelson Mandela when you send out the tanks. Abu Ghraib cannot be overused.

If in doubt about what resonates in the West, pick up a course catalogue online from UC Santa Cruz or Vassar, and just cut and paste some course descriptions into your next communiqué. Always play offense: It is Mossadeq, Bay of Pigs, United Fruit, Exxon, Vietnam, and Guantanamo all the time.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

So, after 19 years, the State of New York finally raised the welfare payments by 10%. In the meanwhile, the cost of living has gone up 71%.

This is probably related to Federal stimulus funding of the program. What's the problem? These folks are definitely going to spend the money, so the stimulus effect will be good.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Welfare Checks to Increase
for First Time in 19 Years

In case you were wondering what effect Libs have on things.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

CC wrote:

WINNERS

* Mark Sanford:
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I do not think so. IMO, if Jenny Sanford divorces him, JS may turn out to be the mother of four and who scored the most points with non-libertarian conservatives.

The rest of us have also noted that JS has done a better job of maintaining her self-respect in the face of a complete betrayal than any other similarly situated public woman in our recent memory. She seems like an adult who put her children first.

I think SHP's announcement, especially for those who took it to be protective of her family [I could not tell that myself but many of her supporters seem to have taken it that way] will actually lead to more scorn for Sanford from the voters who liked both of them three weeks ago.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | July 6, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Gov. Palin's latest statement got to 8.69 on the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level (as any writer / speaker knows, you have to know your audience ; )

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news47.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Dedicated to building America's future, supporting fresh ideas and candidates who share our vision for reform and innovation.

SarahPAC believes America's best days are ahead. Our country, founded on conservative principles and the fight for freedom, must confront the challenges of the 21st century with integrity, innovation, and determination.

SarahPAC believes energy independence is a cornerstone of the economic security and progress that every American family wants and deserves.

SarahPAC believes the Republican Party is at the threshold of an historic renaissance that will build a better future for all. Health care, education, and reform of government are among our key goals. Join us today!"

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

sverigegrabb:

There's plenty of concrete evidence, on this and the "Palin Rebound" thread -- she knew that she couldn't run for the White House right after being re-elected as Governor, so she did the right thing -- check out http://www.SarahPAC.org if you really don't think she is trying to keep that option open for 2012.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan:

You've summed up my/our point exactly! It's a springboard AWAY from national office, not towards it--much less the Presidency. What credibility has Palin got left, other than with the extreme right base of the shrinking Republican party.

Chris,

If you've got some concrete info. regarding Palin's plans for 2012 (other than hubris and narcissism, of course), I do wish you'd share it with us.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | July 6, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Jimdandy2:

"The fact that she has a following at all is more of a sad comment on the intelligence and education of a segment of the US population."

May I ask where your highest degree is from?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

AverageJoeLE:

Not modest, are we? You post here about a "great take" that you wrote yourself?! Gov. Palin doesn't need "finishing school" any more than Ronald Reagan did. Libs were always denegrating his intelligence too.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

parkerfl1:

I wouldn't vote for Palin-Sanford. Now, Palin-Romney OTOH ...

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking there may be a chance for a Palin-Sanford ticket. Or at least hook-up...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | July 6, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Russia must be feeling pretty left out these days. In previous years, we would have considered surrendering and apoligizing to them FIRST. Not so anymore.

they have to get in line to dominate us, behind Iran and Korea.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't a free-market conservative like yourself believes in the sanctity of intellectual property?

Posted by: Bondosan


I have a set of mindless twits who handle that for me.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

steveboyington:

What has the MSM said negative about Sasha or Malia?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

It is great that Palin is out of the picture. I suppose that she can continue in some fashion making irresponsible and half-witted statements about just about anything. Serious people cannot take her seriously. Those that do are not to be taken seriously themselves. The fact that she has a following at all is more of a sad comment on the intelligence and education of a segment of the US population. But it takes all kinds.

Posted by: Jimdandy2 | July 6, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: AverageJoeLE | July 6, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Zouky, Zouky, Zouky:

How many times do we have to tell you to properly source your material?

Your latest, ("I'm not an expert on body language....") is from a piece called "Putting Liberals on the Couch" by Burt Prelutsky, published on Townhall.com.

Why do you insist on copying-and-pasting without giving the author any credit?

Doesn't a free-market conservative like yourself believe in the sanctity of intellectual property?

Posted by: Bondosan | July 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Zouky, Zouky, Zouky:

How many times do we have to tell you to properly source your material?

Your latest, ("I'm not an expert on body language....") is from a piece called "Putting Liberals on the Couch" by Burt Prelutsky, published on Townhall.com.

Why do you insist on copying-and-pasting without giving the author any credit?

Doesn't a free-market conservative like yourself believes in the sanctity of intellectual property?

Posted by: Bondosan | July 6, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The biggest losers of them all are Chris Cillizza, Keith Obermann, and other assorted perpetual Obama campaign operatives. Palin was a simplistic characterization, created by them, that they could point to and gin up the 'bungled and botched' that compose the Obama's gerbils. Much like Teddy Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi for the Fox News crowd. Now, one wonders where they will turn to for red meat to throw to the Peanut Gallery. Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 6, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

A few observations on Palin. The crap said about her and her family in the last few months is/was pretty bad... but it pales in comparison to the crap said about Obama and his family.

A large percentage of people in her delusional "main (sic) stream media" who have been criticizing her are Republicans. This paranoia only works when you are trying to attract the paranoid. There are about 20% of the electorate on both sides that are truly paranoid. Hard to do much with 20% support.

Signed, a fake American who must be part of the main stream media despite my birth location, heritage, non-career in the media and voting record in support of Republicans.

Maybe you can change "main stream media" to "fact-based media"?

Posted by: steveboyington | July 6, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I’m not an expert on body language, but my attention has been called to the fact that when he was on the phone with Israel’s Prime Minister Netanyahu, President Obama was photographed with his feet on the desk in the Oval Office, and when he took his photo op tour of Auschwitz with Elie Wiesel, he had his hands in his pockets. Yet in the august presence of King Abdullah, he bowed respectfully.

Finally, we were told that the world’s leaders were going to cooperate with Barack Hussein Obama in a way they never had with his predecessor. Well, so far, they’ve all refused his invitation to send troops to Afghanistan and, just in case he didn’t get the message, they’ve all refused to take 241 Muslim terrorists off his hands.

Now, we have Newsweek’s managing editor, Evan Thomas, grandson of the former grand Poo Bah of the Socialist Party, Norman Thomas, telling us with a straight face that Obama is greater than God. It appears, however, that the world’s leaders don’t even think he’s greater than George W. Bush.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

NEWSWEEK: "Sarah Palin, you are a Republican and a conservative one at that. It's unlikely that you and Hillary would agree on too many issues. But, yet, as a woman, chief executive—someone who's been through the grinder—when you look at the coverage and you listen to the conversations, what do you see?"

SARAH PALIN: "Fair or unfair—and I do think that it's a more concentrated criticism that Hillary gets on so many fronts; I think that's unfortunate. But fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. You have to plow through that and know what you're getting into. I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo. But when I hear a statement like that coming from a women candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or a sharper microscope put on her, I think, man, that doesn't do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country, I don't think it bodes well for her, a statement like that. Because, again, fair or not fair it is there. I think it's reality and it's a given, people just accept that she's going to be under a sharper microscope. So be it. Work harder, prove to yourself to an even greater degree that you're capable, that you're going to be the best candidate. That's what she wants us to believe at this point. So it bothers me a little bit to hear her bring that attention to herself on that level."

Posted by: trident420 | July 6, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

So … after hundreds of billions of dollars, government seizures of GM, Citigroup and others, imminent bank nationalization, massive favors handed to unions at the expense of private investors, and a pantload of new czars in the White House … all done to kick start our economy … what do we have. SNAFU, that’s what.


And that is why Obimbo is one and out. bubbles the chimp will beat him if necessary.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

WINNER (short-term):

The bread-and-circuses brigade that aims to distract mainstream media from an anti-democratic contagion that makes a mockery of American politics and the rule of law (see post below).

LOSER (long-term):

The bread-and-circuses brigade.

Somehow, in America, despite the best efforts of a compliant and sometimes gullible mainstream media, the truth comes out and pretenders and tyrants are unmasked by their own words and deeds.


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Posted by: scrivener50 | July 6, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Look, you guys. Your beef is not with me -- I am simply an objective observer and not even registered Republican -- Mr. Cillizza keeps posting threads about Gov. Palin so he must think she's got a shot as well. As I said, I won't gloat.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Lets not forget about the people of Alaska, who I would say are the biggest winners or all. Although I am sure there are Palin-heads out there who would disagree.

Posted by: AndyR3 | July 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

greyK:

Libs tried to paint Reagan and Bush as "wackadoodle" too.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

cawren:

No. Do you think being a part-time Governor of Alaska is the same as full-time President of the United States?

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Sarah got herself an eleven million dollar book advance so she doesn't need the chump change from her day job anymore. And the "famous for being famous" offers are pouring in. She's still young enough to wait out the Democrats until 2016 while making a big pile of money and staying inside her bubble of right-wing love. In 2016 the feather-brain quitter label might not be so powerful. You fans of hers need to take notice of the large number of Republicans and even hard-core conservatives who are criticizing Palin. She's got to stop sounding so crazy - something Dubya and Saint Ronnie never did. Maybe they seemed not so bright, maybe bulldog stubborn, but never full-on wackadoodle like she did last week.

Posted by: greyK | July 6, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Desperate Libs try honesty as last resort:

Biden: We 'Misread the Economy'
Unlike all major legislation that doesn't get read at all

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

As for "promising not to gloat when..."

That's an easy promise to keep, since the "when" never happens. Some people never seem to get tired of being wrong.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Ms. Palin wins the 2012 election and goes on to serve a second term. Does she also resign in the last two years of her presidency?"

God, I hope so.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Ms. Palin wins the 2012 election and goes on to serve a second term. Does she also resign in the last two years of her presidency?

Posted by: cawren | July 6, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Will Obama's detractors EVER quit with the lame teleprompter references? Bush read from a teleprompter all the time--he just didn't do it as well as Obama does. Every politician uses them for prepared speeches. If you doubt Obama's ability to think on his feet or express himself spontaneously, compare his sit-down interviews with those of Bush or Palin.

In fact, Palin was using a teleprompter back in her broadcast days--before Obama was. So what?

Why resign now? She had to start running for re-election soon, or announce that she wasn't running. If she didn't run, she'd have to spend the next 16 months as a lame duck.

She saw her chances of getting the nomination (slim) and elected (none)in 2012, and decided to skip the fund-raisers and the rest of that slog, and instead go on a book tour and land a deal on TV somewhere.

If I'm right about this, my estimation of her intelligence just went up. A month from now, you'll mostly be reading about her in Media Notes.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"What if a pol gave a speech they wrote themselves with no TelePrompTer?"

Someone missed someone's resignation speech, apparently.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I agree with bondosian. Palin has been dead politically since late in the last campaign. Getting the "core" of conservatives excited means very little if everyone else (save most pundits) thinks you're an idiot. And this is not an unfair slam on pundits, as they are so often wrong: they miscalled the '00 Bush- Gore race, and both the '04 Dem primary where they said Dean had it sewed up even before Iowa, and '08 Democratic campaign which they gave early on to Ms Clinton. Palin will make money and get her safe, non-political publicity but will never seriously contend in politics.

Posted by: htroden | July 6, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not so sure Huckabee is a loser here. He already knew that Palin was gunning for him. But now the Palin that's gunning for him has a potentially fatal self inflicted wound.

Posted by: theamazingjex"

I don't know. Palin and Huckabee supporters don't really judge candidates based on their suitability for office. Their base only cares about the Bible thumping. Palin and Huckabee will continue to do that and will be fighting for that same base. I'm not sure who would win that battle. Huckabee is far more likable than Palin, but Palin's advantage among that group is that she shows a lot more disdain for the poor and needy.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 6, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

though = thought (darn Spellchecker ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification. I mistakenly though you were PREDICTING Rudy for next time around. UGH!

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

http://www.startribune.com/nation/49929747.html

AP reported Parnell lost to Young by 304 votes, not 152?

Who has it right and who has it wrong?

Posted by: Corey_NY | July 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

You won't have to gloat. She'll never get nominated....

Posted by: RickJ | July 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, Mr. Cillizza thinks there's still a way for Gov. Palin to be elected President -- me too -- I promise not to gloat in 4 years.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Jake D wrote:

Hopefully not. As for Huckabee "rolling" over, he has put back on enough weight to do so

I guess my point is that 3-4 years before every presidential contest, reams are written about the frontrunner(s), which rarely turn out to be the ones nominated. For the last contest, all pundits had Hillary vs. Rudy for the 2008 election.... Neither got nominated

Posted by: RickJ | July 6, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

One thing we will see from palin we don't get now:

what if the press asked hard questions?
What if the questions and answers weren't planted ahead?
what if a single person with a brain were in the audience?
What if a pol gave a speech they wrote themselves with no TelePrompTer?
What if a pol had moral base to stick to
what if "more government, more spending" was not the answer to every problem?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

RickJ:

Hopefully not. As for Huckabee "rolling" over, he has put back on enough weight to do so.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Bondosan:

This may still be her launching point (or, more aptly, second stage rocket ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The state of Alaska is a winner. The absence of a narcissistic egoist in the governor's chair is always a plus.

The other winner is people with mental health problems. Seeing Palin they will realize it is better to stay on your medicines.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 6, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

All this speculation presupposes that the GOP will nominate a re-tread in Palin, Romney or Huckabee... That aside, I don't think Huckabee will roll-over to make room for Palin. She doesn't enter the 2012 GOP nomination with any advantage over any of the others, particularly since no votes have been cast. President Giuliani anyone?

Posted by: RickJ | July 6, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

Of course they don't "get" authentic Americans.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"With Palin now looking more and more like a 2012 candidate...."

Chris, I know you're a political junkie and all (so am I, which is why I come here for my daily "Fix"), and I know you've got your "sources," but I'm really not following this line of thought at all.

Quitting your day job without having the nomination in hand is a political loser no matter how you slice it.

Serving out your term and then choosing not to run for reelection would have been fine.

But quitting mid-term is a non-starter politically. All of your opponents can run ads talking about how you "cut and run" during tough times. "How could she stand up to Putin if she can't handle the heat in Alaska?"

Palin is a spent force politically. She will never be elected to anything ever again.

I picture her interviewing football players and coaches at halftime before they head to the locker room.

Posted by: Bondosan | July 6, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

IF Sarah goes out and gets herself a TelePrompTer, she will then be overqualified for the dem nomination.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Max Blumental reports on The Daily Beast that Sarah Palin may have quit her job today because she was trying to avert a major, yet-to-be-disclosed corruption scandal. The gist of the rumor is that an Alaska building company called Spenard Building Supplies (SBS) was awarded a contract by Palin to build a hockey arena in Wasilla, AK, and in return, SBS helped construct Palin’s home.

Many political observers in Alaska are fixated on rumors that federal investigators have been seizing paperwork from SBS in recent months, searching for evidence that Palin and her husband Todd steered lucrative contracts to the well-connected company in exchange for gifts like the construction of their home on pristine Lake Lucille in 2002. The home was built just two months before Palin began campaigning for governor, a job which would have provided her enhanced power to grant building contracts in the wide open state.

SBS has close ties to the Palins. The company has not only sponsored Todd Palin’s snowmobile team, according to the Village Voice’s Wayne Barrett, it hired Sarah Palin to do a statewide television commercial in 2004.

Though Todd Palin told Fox News he built his Lake Lucille home with the help of a few “buddies,” according to Barrett’s report, public records revealed that SBS supplied the materials for the house. While serving as mayor of Wasilla, Sarah Palin blocked an initiative that would have required the public filing of building permits—thus momentarily preventing the revelation of such suspicious information.

Just months before Palin left city hall to campaign for governor, she awarded a contract to SBS to help build the $13 million Wasilla Sports Complex. The most expensive building project in Wasilla history, the complex cost the city an addition $1.3 million in legal fees and threw it into severe long-term debt. For SBS, however, the bloated and bungled project was a cash cow.

Posted by: drindl | July 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Here's what republicans say when you ask why you can't the same decent health insurance as they do:

'During a townhall in Waukon, IA Tuesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) was asked by a constituent of his: “Why is your insurance so much cheaper than my insurance and so better than my insurance?” When Grassley struggled to explain the details of his own health care plan, the elderly man followed up, “Okay, so how come I can’t have the same thing you have?” Grassley said, “You can. Just go work for the federal government.”

Posted by: drindl | July 6, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Of course those self- described genius liberals can't understand how an "airhead" like palin can beat a free spending big government weak kneed liberal. Still can't figure how that dimwit Ronnie or that bumbling w did it. Twice.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | July 6, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's speech (at least the written version) scores a 7.38 on the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level scale. In other words, it is similar to the work of the typical 7th grader.

Copy and paste the text of her speech into this web site to see for yourself: http://bluecentauri.com/tools/writer/sample.php#

And that's more sophisticated than what she says off the cuff. She is paranoid to the point of having a persecution complex, which I guess makes her a Madonna for the Whining Class of the R base, but just a jokey footnote for the rest of us.

Posted by: drindl | July 6, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

dingogumby:

Mr. Cillizza was on "vacation".

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Even if she's just "cash[ing] in" Gov. Palin is still a winner in my book. Politics is NOT the end all be all.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure Huckabee is a loser here. He already knew that Palin was gunning for him. But now the Palin that's gunning for him has a potentially fatal self inflicted wound.

Posted by: theamazingjex | July 6, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Where was my Mouthpiece Theater Friday? Is two a week too ambitious?

And the line?

Posted by: dingogumby | July 6, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Where was my Mouthpiece Theater Friday? Is two a week too ambitious?

And the line?

Posted by: dingogumby | July 6, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Winner: SNL will get great mileage out of her continued malapropisms on Fox News.

Loser: Tina Fey will have to play her.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Palin can explain ANYTHING in four Incomplete Sentences Less! Now THATS a Politician?!


LOL.


She needs to take some time off to re-evaluate herself. I do not believe she is best suited for national politics. The majority of the electorate agrees.


Posted by: trident420 | July 6, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Chris. The real losers will be Limbaugh and O'Reilly, because that's whose market share she is targeting.

Limbaugh and O'Reilly are the current leaders of the conservative movement, if not the Republican party. Sarah is going to compete with THEM, not with Mitt Romney or any other serious politician.

She is going to cash in on her recent celebrity with her book deal and probably a show on Fox News. Another 16 months as governor of a small state? Slogging through a re-election campaign, only to lose to a Democrat? No thanks. Much better to quit now and head for the studio.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | July 6, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Sorry she ruined your vacation (and that of every political reporter worth his salt) but consider it payback. BTW: Romney is only a "winner" if he is not Palin's intended target. She has quite a bit of time on her hands now and bucking him / GOP establishment is really her only path to the White House. Might as well get an early start.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

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