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The Palin Sympathy Effect



Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. THE MAT-SU VALLEY FRONTIERSMAN, ROBERT DEBERRY; ANCHORAGE DAILY NEWS

New polling from Gallup shows that a majority of Americans believe the media coverage of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) has been unfair, evidence of a swell of sympathy toward the former vice presidential nominee in recent weeks.

Fifty-three percent of those polled said that the coverage of Palin was "unfairly negative" while 28 percent described the coverage as "about right" and nine percent said it had been "unfairly positive".

As we wrote last week -- before Palin announced her resignation -- there is increasingly a sentiment among Washington Republicans that enough is enough when it comes to piling on Palin. (That sentiment ran stronger among the chattering class prior to Palin's resignation which many smart GOP operatives openly questioned as a political strategy.)

The Gallup numbers affirm something of a blowback against Palin's detractors. Can Palin take advantage of this groundswell of sympathy to fundamentally alter the way she is perceived by Independents -- just 34 percent of whom want Palin to take on some role as a national political figure -- and by the smart set in Washington?

By Chris Cillizza  |  July 7, 2009; 5:28 PM ET
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This gallup poll sounds kind of fishy to me. Who did they actually poll? All right-wingers?????? Palin and Michele Bachman, 1012! Can you just see it! This is a good one for "Mad Magazine" or SNL!

Posted by: LKM2 | July 12, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin sympathizers!! Palin did NOTHING out of the ordinary except for to place her self in an arena that is way out of her league! The entire world knows this as well. This is akin to putting someone with a borderline IQ with a group of NASA rocket scientists. Levi was right! Palin just wants to take the money and run! She isn't even qualified to be a good Christian Mother! Look at what she did to her own children. And now she has paved the way and set the trend for young, teenage girls to get pregnant while still in school, not get married and then live off of the Government Welfare system for 18 years. What is wrong with this pictur???? Like I said, Sarah Palin is grossly unqualified!!!!

Posted by: LKM2 | July 12, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

over 5 million people were stream lining M.J. ceremony and didn't have the time to wallow over the palin saga.

Posted by: opp88 | July 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"media" is the plural of "medium"

The media ARE, not the media IS

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 9, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Over half the country thinks the media is treating this lady unfairly

(whether she is qualified to be President or not) Posted by: prokaryote
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don't know where you get your facts but your way off.

Posted by: opp88 | July 9, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Over half the country thinks the media is treating this lady unfairly

(whether she is qualified to be President or not) Posted by: prokaryote
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don't know where you get your facts but your way off.

Posted by: opp88 | July 9, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I think the reason that people think Sarah Palin's media coverage has been 'unfairly negative" is because they confuse the media coverage itself with Palin's actual personae, presentations, and press conferences, and the way she talks, which all have an overall tone that leaves one with a sense that something's wrong, someting's off. And many people are left feeling negative about her, so they blame the media for her portrayal, when it's actually Palin who portrays herself in a negative way.

Sarah Palin uses the media, then, to get sympathy and play the victim. There are plenty of people out there who sympathize with being victimized; there are phrases commonly used to play the victim, and Sarah Palin does this very well. Palin herself has blamed the media for her bad impressions, and doesn't take responsiblity for anything she has said in interviews or even speeches. Oh, it wasn't me, it was the way you interpreted it!

Posted by: Liztalk | July 8, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Why all this discussion on a non-issue? Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president or vice president of this country Period. Those are the facts. Case close. No more need to discuss.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | July 8, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

This is a great political career move on Governor Palin's part. When her book hits the store shelves, the book signing/ promotional tour will attract all her grassroots supporters. This will allow Gov.Palin to preach her gospel one book store and one FOX affiliate at a time. It will be a stealth attack on any GOP candidates who may throw their hat in the ring for 2012. The book promotion will be an inexpensive, and legal, way to campaign before the campaign.

Posted by: Wordpower | July 8, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE who shoots ANY creature of God from a helicopter is LOW CLASS!! Give the poor beast a fair chance! How LOW can you go??

Posted by: Maerzie | July 8, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

To Lisa 421: In fact, there is a Santa Claus. My legal name is Santa Claus. I advocate for the 2 million children in the U.S. annually who are abused, neglected, exploited, abandoned, homeless, and institutionalized through no fault of their own. Take a moment and visit TheSantaClausFoundation dot org and become better informed. Blessings to all, Santa Claus

Posted by: GenuineSantaClaus | July 8, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

C'mon! Palin is a brainless loser who craves attention. She was chosen by McCain because he is a weak male and was enamoured by her wiles. Poor Sarah even had trouble getting thru college, doesn't know which newspapers she reads, and will say anything that's planted in her mouth. She is only a pawn for whoever needs reflected attention and hopes to make money off her low intellect and gullibility! It's all VERY sick!!

Posted by: Maerzie | July 8, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Palin is an idiot, plain and simple. Her speech explaining why she was stepping down as governor of Alaska was inarticulate at best. I don't see why she is getting so much attention as Presidential candidate in '12.

Posted by: dlevine2 | July 8, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It appears the only folks still buying Obama's snake oil is Obama's liberal media and followers

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59% approval

That's a lotta snake-oil buyin'

What color is the sky on YOUR planet?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Since taking office, Obama has quadrupled the deficit, conceded our liabilities abroad, shoved us to the brink of a crippled, European-style nanny state, all the while increasing the unemployment numbers to the cusp of double digits and yet the WaPo prefers to keep writing articles about Palin while protecting Obama...

It appears the only folks still buying Obama's snake oil is Obama's liberal media and followers, who rightfully questioned and complained about everything Republicans did while in charge but don't question or complain about anything Obama and the liberal democrats are doing to destroy our freedoms....

"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything," and Obama has you hypnotized and mesmerized by his BS....

You talk about the party of NO yet you have become the party of BEND OVER and take it like a man...

Posted by: tdl62 | July 8, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Sympathy for the devil I'd say. She's a policy invalid, but a media megalomaniac - a dangerous combination in the best of times.

Posted by: Bushlegacylies | July 8, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Sympathy? For what? I am so tired of the media spotlight that I will be holding a press conference to talk about it? My family is so tired of the endless media interest in our personal lives that we are going on the morning talk shows to complain about it? I am so tired of the white hot light of public life in Alaska that I am going to run for President? I can dish it out but I can't take it?

Posted by: fmjk | July 8, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Has everyone finally gotten tired of Sarah Palin?

Let her be the next Jerry Falwell.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Marshall McLuhan was right... the medium is the massage (message).

Posted by: whocares666 | July 8, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin can't even finish a full term as governor and she wants us to believe she was ready to be VP???? She couldn't finish ONE term as governor and she wants us to believe she is ready to be president??? She must really think the electorate is stupid, gulliable or both.

Posted by: BullyLover | July 8, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

There is a big stretch between feeling sympathy for someone picked on by the media to electing that person as president.

Frankly, I can't conceive of anything Palin could do that would make a majority of voters consider her presidential.

Posted by: maggots | July 8, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

‘Palin’, or to ‘palin’, or to have ‘palined’:

PALIN \pay-lyn\ adverb 1. to naively, ignorantly and inappropriately accept a position while not having the requisite qualifications 2. to have naively and inappropriately accept a political nomination without blinking, when one should have not only blinked, but also thought about ones’ own lack of qualifications and the expected mal-effects on one’s self, family, political party or country; as in: ‘to pull a palin’ 3. to inappropriately blame the media for accurately noting ones’ lack of qualifications after one naively and inappropriately accepted a political nomination for which they did not hold the experience or qualifications for.

PALINED \pay-lyn-ed\ verb 1. to have pulled off a bone-headed action, or a boner; as in: ‘to palin’ or ‘to have palined’ 2. when a crony is offered, and accepts, a government position which they have not the experience or qualifications for, and then problems occur because of this, as in: Sara Palin palined when she hired her unqualified high school friends for high offices in Alaska; or, as in: John McCain palined when he choose Sara Palin as his Vice President nomination. 3. to hire cronies or other unqualified people, so that they do a poor job so it looks like the government can not handle societies needs, and so as to promote the privatization of government, by actively acting to make it work poorly, as in: President Bush palined in appointing the FEMA head who palined during New Orleans’ Katrina hurricane.

Posted by: truthforpeace | July 8, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Fifty-three percent of those polled said that the coverage of Palin was "unfairly negative".... As we wrote last week -- before Palin announced her resignation -- there is increasingly a sentiment among Washington Republicans that enough is enough when it comes to piling on Palin."

And therein lies the problem. Over half the country thinks the media is treating this lady unfairly (whether she is qualified to be President or not), and proof of that is that the Post only focused on "Washington Republicans".

Do the math. Washington Republicans hardly make up more than half of Washington. Nor do repulicans make up more than half of America. But will Post write an article on how some liberals and many moderates (like myself), even ones who voted against her (like myself) can visibly see the negative bias towards Palin.

Posted by: prokaryote | July 8, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Palin, on the other hand, is presumably at the beginning of her political career and has provided NO valid, or obvious reason for quitting.

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People were being *mean* to her

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Roger Simon at POLITICO.com gets it. "Bob Dole resigned his Senate seat to run for President. I remember it. I was standing right there when he did it. And I don’t recall anybody accusing him of being a quitter. Or of being pregnant."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24606.html#ixzz0Kh3DmePc&C

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:15 PM

OK Lisa421, you and ROger Simon are ignorant. Had Sarah Palin quit her job while running for VP, (like Bod Dole did), nobody would have called her a quitter. Bob Dole was a very old man when he quit, he knew that the Presidency was his last shot - why not go all in?
Palin, on the other hand, is presumably at the beginning of her political career and has provided NO valid, or obvious reason for quitting. For Roger Simon, and you, to equate the two situations, only shows how desparate Palin defenders are to try and defend an indefensible position.

Posted by: NMModerate1 | July 8, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Vintage Obama, funny stuff... cleaning da ole clock... lmao!

"John, you like to pretend like the war started in 2007," Obama shot back. "You talk about the surge. The war started in 2003, and at the time when the war started, you said it was going to be quick and easy. You said we knew where the weapons of mass destruction were. You were wrong."

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

republican talking heads claims Palin approval ratings amongst u.s. voter are at 60%.

what they won't tell you is that the (60%) rating is amongst only the 17% of voting republicans who still like the Palin's.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I have been posting the following SIMPLE question for months now with zero response: What is it that you think makes Mrs. Palin qualified to be POTUS?

Posted by: JRM2 | July 8, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This politician is no shrinking violet when it comes to the clash between her and "media".

On at least two occasions - the SNL thing, and on one of her couric dates she lashed out at them (Media) in effect striking back at them for being who they are.

So like, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know and won't care to admit, but she's getting all she "asked for" when those utterances - not trivial or benign by any stretch - left her lips.

I have no sympathy for this type of cowardice, which she is appearing to resemble as every day clicks by - a cowards who picks fights, and then claims to have been bullied when she doesn't get the "play" she and others hoped for.

Sit down; shut up.

Your turn is over, Ms. Palin.

Posted by: pgibson1 | July 8, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Palin will use all those things that the Independent Party are so against. She will use words like socialism, liberal media, liberal congress, senate, W.H., terrorist, un-American, (code word) 'US', PitBull, Barracuda, Tapped, American First, Our Great Country, Shore up.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Palin has repeatedly said the mainstream media are out to sabotage her. So what does she do when she goes on her post-resignation fishing trip? She asks the likes of Andrea Mitchell from NBC to come along. I mean, that takes serious chutzpah. To my regret, none of the networks said, "Gee, since you think we are out to get you, we can't imagine why you'd want us along. So we'll pass. Enjoy the fishin'!"

Posted by: jhpurdy | July 8, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

(whole new ball game) ethics committee's.

Palin wants to attack the very thing that keeps people in office 'supposedly' honest.

I see exactly what the attempt is... draw in anti-government facets and build a radical agenda based on her perceived treatment while on the United States, National Political Stage.

she's wicked and I hope the cia and the fbi and homeland security are keeping a close eye on her and family.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Palin is that she embodies everything that's wrong with the right wing. She's not only ignorant but proud to be ignorant, she waves her ignorance like a badge of honor, excoriating the educated as "inauthentic Americans." She boasts of her thin résumé and promises to use her inexperience as some sort of "fresh approach," promising to "shake things up."

And speaking of shaking things up, she's also a very extremely fundamentalist "Christian" (I sneer quote that because fundamentalism is contrary to Christ in every way) who believes in apocalyptic End Times theology. I can't possibly imagine her sitting down and negotiating with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Vladimir Putin; she's be itching to make her mark and would probably want to use nuclear weapons just because she could.

She's batty, irresponsible, impulsive, entirely unsuited for national office.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

what politician wants to be involved in a bicker match with a t.v. host?

rose o donnel and donald trump saga we have already.

is that the kind of attention a serious politician is looking for?

ethics complaints?

(whole new ball game) ethics committee's.

Palin wants to attack the very thing that keeps people in office 'supposedly' honest.

it's keeping palin honest, sounds like the ethics commitee is working to me.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@Lisa421: You are cherry-picking what you like from the article and ignoring its true meaning. So rather than look at the negative aspects of Mrs. Palin, please tell me just what it is that you think qualifies her to be POTUS.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 8, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I can see where Ms. Palin gets the Republican nomination; the far-right wing of the party is her base, and comprise the bulk of party activists. As for winning the general election: absolutely, NO. Someone else pointed out that as people got to know her better over the past 9+ months, her positives dropped precipitously and her negatives rose dramatically. Those posters who pointed out that sympathy for her does not necessarily translate into votes are correct.

I wouldn't vote for her if she were the last politician on Earth. She reminds me far too much of some of the queen bees I've met: women who you'd vote for to run the PTA, but you DON'T volunteer to work with and you stay far away from, for fear of the knife in your back.

As a mother, I would not want her making policy decisions that affect my children. I frankly do not know a single woman who DOES like her, and my friends were pretty much uniformly insulted by her selection as McCain's running mate. Not a single person I know felt that she was qualified, but rather that she had been selected simply because she was a woman and to try to appeal to former Hillary Clinton supporters (of which I was one).

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | July 8, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

To bidalah, which of the claims debunked by Snopes.com do you think were "legitimate criticism"? Do you think it was "legitimate criticism" to make a sexual joke about her 14-year old?

Posted by: Lisa421

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I think it's pretty clear that Jake has a second moniker.

As you know well, Letterman's joke was about the daughter who was knocked up, which was the 18-year-old.

Don't you ever stop lying?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

inadmissible
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lmao...

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

why did David Letterman apologize to the 14-year old then? Posted by: Lisa421
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and for people like you who believes and spreads palin's lies... but for the most part, he knows he can reach out to common sense.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The AIP has confirmed that TODD Palin was a member, not Sarah.

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So you'd be cool with a president whose husband was inadmissible to the White House?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

because the self proclaim pitbull/barracuda took advantage of the meaning or perception of the joke and used it to her advantage in a under handed way.

she pulled a karl rove on letterman... straight filthy politics...

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

To opp88, why did David Letterman apologize to the 14-year old then? Posted by: Lisa421
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because the self proclaim pitbull/barracuda took advantage of the meaning or perception of the joke and used it to her advantage.

letterman's people more than likely advised him to appease some folks for the sake of common decency, wink wink...

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Then you concocted this whole "cover up" story. Posted by: Lisa421
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poor lisa, are you stuck?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

To opp88, why did David Letterman apologize to the 14-year old then?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

To opp88, you ain't seen nothing yet.Posted by: Lisa421
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thats what MJ said, btw didn't she resign as Gov. to continue the MJ "this is it" tour?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

To bidalah, no, but that and the Trig photo-shop were the last straw.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

To opp88, you actually said "The AIP says that Gov. Sarah Palin used to be a member of the party" when you knew that was not true. Then you concocted this whole "cover up" story.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Do you think it was "legitimate criticism" to make a sexual joke about her 14-year old? Posted by: Lisa421
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I'm surprise at you lisa why would you promote that "palin lie" 14 year old?

is it win at any and all cost lisa?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

To Lisa421,

No, I would call the Letterman joke a bad joke from bad comedian who later issued an apology. Is that what you would call an example of unfair mainstream media persecution? The kind that would drive a governor to flee her office?

Like I said. Glass jaw.

Posted by: bidalah | July 8, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

To Bob22003, you are saying that if Palin had served in the US Senate for over 20 years, with a strong record of accomplishment, and lost the use of her right arm fighting for our country, then no one would have called her a "quitter"?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

you can register with one party and associate and belong to another party. is that to non conceivable for you lisa?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

so you are retracting the claim that "Gov. Sarah Palin used to be a member of the [Alaska Independence] party" Posted by: Lisa421
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NO I said cover up...

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

To opp88, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

No, Roger Simon is an idiot, like most of the right-wing hacks who staff politico.com. Bob Dole served in the US Senate for over 20 years, with a strong record of accomplishment, and lost the use of his right arm fighting for our country - and THAT is why no one ever called him a quitter - and why anyone with a brain would appreciate just how unaccomplished Sarah Palin really is, especially compared to Bob Dole. By the way, the best thing Sarah Palin ever did for this country was to quit. Good riddance.

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Roger Simon at POLITICO.com gets it. "Bob Dole resigned his Senate seat to run for President. I remember it. I was standing right there when he did it. And I don’t recall anybody accusing him of being a quitter. Or of being pregnant."

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:15 PM |

Posted by: Bob22003 | July 8, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

To bidalah, which of the claims debunked by Snopes.com do you think were "legitimate criticism"? Do you think it was "legitimate criticism" to make a sexual joke about her 14-year old?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

As I said yesterday, you nine percent who actually believe that the media has been "unfairly positive" covering Palin should definitely keep piling on. Posted by: Lisa421
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didn't palin come out attacking PITBULL with LIPSTICK then later the BARRACUDA?

now she wants to come out and wag or tuck tail? poor politician...

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I believe is was the elder George Bush who once said on the campaign trail, "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". Ofcourse it was a democrat, Dukakis, who he was saying it to, when Dukakis complained about his below-the-belt attacks.

One constant I have observed of far-right politicians is a collective glass jaw. They are the first to spew vile and libelous attacks and the first to take offense when a hint of that is spewed back. Subject them to a steady stream of even legitimate criticism and they either go hysterical or wilt and fade away. Or in the case of Sarah Palin, both.

Posted by: bidalah | July 8, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa421 Todd is the brains behind the whole operation?
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lisa, that is what this whole argument is about my dear!

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa421 Todd is the brains behind the whole operation?
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brains?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Roger Simon at POLITICO.com gets it. "Bob Dole resigned his Senate seat to run for President. I remember it. I was standing right there when he did it. And I don’t recall anybody accusing him of being a quitter. Or of being pregnant."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24606.html#ixzz0Kh3DmePc&C

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

To JRM2, that's not a "lie" if Todd honestly made a mistake with his voter registration. She never denied that he was a registered member. You are jumping to conclusions. Just like all of the false stories out there:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/palin.asp#interview

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

@Lisa421:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/01/politics/main5128672.shtml

Palin lies about Todd's involvement with the AIP.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 8, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

As I said yesterday, you nine percent who actually believe that the media has been "unfairly positive" covering Palin should definitely keep piling on.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

To opp88, so you are retracting the claim that "Gov. Sarah Palin used to be a member of the [Alaska Independence] party" and substituting an even more hilarious claim that Todd is the brains behind the whole operation?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, "guilt by association" a logicial fallacy.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

So, Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, and even Lynette Clark, AIP Chair are in on a "cover-up" now? Posted by: Lisa421
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NO... THESE WERE SHOTS CALLED BY TODD EARLY IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP WHEN SARAH WAS EVEN DUMBER. TODD SAID... "SARAH, YOU REGISTER AS (R) AND I WILL REGISTER UNDECIDED AND NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW"

BUT WHAT PEOPLE DO KNOW, IS THAT THEY SAW TODD AND SARAH ATTEND THE INDEPENDENT MEETINGS. YOU CAN REFUTE MORE THAN ONE WITTNESS.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

GUILT BY ASSOCIATION?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

To JRM2, do you have a source for the email to Steve Schmidt denying Todd's involvement with the AIP?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

So, Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, and even Lynette Clark, AIP Chair are in on a "cover-up" now?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

To opp88, you need to keep reading.

"Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, tells ABC News that regardless of the impression given to members of the Alaskan Independence Party, "Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time."

Clark on Tuesday night said that she had been mistaken."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@DAlbertSr:
I hear people all the time calling her a "reformer", a "fiscal conservative", and a "visionary" and enthusiastically giving her their support.

What I have yet to hear is...WHY?, please someone, tell me ONE THING that is TRUE about her to validate your claims. She doesn't have even the most basic knowledge American history,government policy, geography and so on. Some of her worst critics have been her former supporters and conservative pundits.

The McCain campaign was on life support, they needed a gimmick and they got one, and in the process tried to shape the image of this woman, unfortunately nearly EVERYTHING they said about her was a big, fat, lie. Even down to her being a hockey mom (none of her kids play hockey)

Posted by: JRM2 | July 8, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

As for proof that "The AIP says that Gov. Sarah Palin used to be a member of the party" you posted a copy of Sarah Palin's voter registration for "R" (I assume "Republican")? Posted by: Lisa421
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No, thats a cover up to claim she wasn't a Independent clan member. even willow or the other ones can tell you, mommy was a member.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

To jayne1, I agree that we don't need one.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she and her husband were once member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United State.

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, told ABC News on Monday that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

Earlier this year, Palin sent a video message to the AIP for its annual convention, where AIP vice chair George Clark told the small crowd that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town that was a non-partisan job.

But you get along to go along she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that.

She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Re:To janye1, people said the same thing about Nixon, Reagan, and Bush. We survived all of them. The "chicken little" bit is getting thin.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 12:50 PM

You have got to be kidding to put Palin in the same class as Nixon,
Reagan, and Bush. Palin is IGNORANT beyond belief. She doesn't care to learn anything or take advice. We certainly don't need a SUPER IGNORANT PRESIDENT.

Posted by: janye1 | July 8, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Personally I would give my life for this woman who speaks from the heart and is a true visionary.

God Bless this great land.

Posted by: DAlbertSr | July 8, 2009 1:30 AM |"
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I am right because I say I'm right, what a wonderful flag we have.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 8, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

That tells me that she is married to someone who was once in the AIP. If Obama "paling" around with Ayers is OK, then this is OK too. Robert Byrd was once in in the KKK, so? "Guilt by association" is a logical fallacy.

As for proof that "The AIP says that Gov. Sarah Palin used to be a member of the party" you posted a copy of Sarah Palin's voter registration for "R" (I assume "Republican")?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Someone said: “At least she's never ADMITTED to using cocaine!”

You mean like the late and unlamented alcoholic and drug abuser Wuss Bush?

Posted by: Ichristian | July 8, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"The AIP has confirmed that TODD Palin was a member, not Sarah. Posted by: Lisa421
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and what does that tell you?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 12:53 PM "
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It tells me that Sarah Palin is a liar since she sent an email to Steve Schmidt denying Todd's involvement with the AIP and wanted the McCaign campaign to make a public announcement regarding the matter.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 8, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder what Palin thinks about "Deadliest Catch"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2009 1:20 AM "
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Wasn't it her who was ridiculing the appropriation of funds to study the mating habits of the King crab?

I would think that would be very important knowledge to the crabbing industry.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 8, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

if michelle obama was once tide to the black panthers, would that make barack a black panther?

thats what you people would be crying. pal'n around with terrorist?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The AIP has confirmed that TODD Palin was a member, not Sarah. Posted by: Lisa421
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and what does that tell you?

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

To janye1, people said the same thing about Nixon, Reagan, and Bush. We survived all of them. The "chicken little" bit is getting thin.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The only sympathy I have connected with Palin is for the US. If she ever becomes president of the US it will be a day filled with sorrow for all of us.

Posted by: janye1 | July 8, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The only sympathy I have connected with Palin is for the US. If she ever becomes president of the US it will be a day filled with sorrow for all of us.

Posted by: janye1 | July 8, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The AIP has confirmed that TODD Palin was a member, not Sarah.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The Alaska Independence Party calls itself the third largest organization in the United States. Its platform calls for the defense of "states rights," to "seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Section of the federal constitution."

Basically, the AIP wants a vote on secession. According to the organizations' website. "Though it is widely thought to be a secessionist movement, the Party makes great effort to emphasize that its primary goal is merely a vote on secession, something that Party advocates say Alaskans were denied during the founding of the state."

The AIP says that Gov. Sarah Palin used to be a member of the party. Earlier this year, Palin recorded a welcoming address to the AIP's convention.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

To opp88, do you have some information that Palin was ever a member of the Alaskan Independence Party?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

When I need someone to fix my car, I go to someone who knows more about it than I. Even though I do know something about auto mechanics, I want someone with more experience, who’s dedicated time and effort to learning their craft, who can assess a problem correctly, fix it, and even come up with options and alternatives I wouldn’t have thought of.

Whenever she opens her mouth, she just proves how little she knows. I want someone who knows more about policy and history and the mechanics of government than I do. And I certainly don’t get that from her.

On top of that, the recent article in Vanity Fair by Purdom describes how obstinate she was in refusing knowledge, help, and guidance from the pros on McCain’s campaign staff. That’s what they’re there for. If she couldn’t understand that, or learn from them, or credit them with knowing more than she, how could she possibly ever govern well? She can’t even work with people on her own side. She simply doesn’t see anyone else but herself. Doesn’t THAT worry you?

You can see that as well from the reports out of the Alaska government. When everyone was willing to work with her, she was fine. But a little opposition and she throws a hissy fit and stomps off. For good or ill, government is frequently about negotiation and compromise. She’s proven she can’t do either.

And as for Jake’s usual bloviation: no, we don’t hate her. That’s the usual R self-delusion of dismissing valid criticisms of all things Republican. We just think she ain’t got it.

And while you’re at it, Jake, do a reality check on your own “Obama Derangement Syndrome.”

Posted by: Ichristian | July 8, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Harsh but fair. Palin brought the heat on herself; she just does not know the issues to any depth, or, her opinions are out of step with moderate voters. Generally, people associate visibility on the national level with more than passing knowledge on an issue. Generally, voters expect nationally recognizable politicians to be well-versed on, for example, the economy, world events, the military, the environment, healthcare, social security...the big issues of the day. She has a passing grasp of the main points within many of these categories, BUT...apparently no depth of knowledge or complex reasoning supporting her opinions. And plans? There's nothing but fluff....when there is even "fluff". Truely, as the Wall Street Journal suggested recently in an editorial, she needs to maintain a low profile and learn the issues before stepping into the spotlight to have even a chance in the 2012 primary, let alone an aspiration for 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Come on Sarah!

Posted by: skiloypet | July 8, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

If Palin gets to be president we shall have deserved it.

Posted by: ravitchn | July 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

To katem1, there was no "crime" because you are mixing up the facts. Palin was in Texas in April, but she stayed to give a speech and went back to Alaska with the OK of her doctor. She had already told reporters that she was pregnant by March 5th. Everyone at the energy conference with other Republican Governors knew she was pregnant. As she left the podium from her speech, Perry joked, “You’re not going to give birth, are you?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08baby.html

These are the type of baseless allegations that are building up the "Palin Sympathy Effect." Would you care to revise and extend your remarks now?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 8, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse


Palin And The Alaska Independence Party
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After graduating from high school in 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College in Honolulu. She left after one semester and transferred to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene and spent two semesters as a general studies major in 1983.

In August 1984, she transferred to the University of Idaho in Moscow, Idaho, where her older brother, Charles W. Heath, was majoring in education.

After two semesters at UI, Palin returned to Alaska and attended Matanuska-Susitna College, a community college in Palmer, for one term in the fall of 1985.

She returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986, where she spent three semesters completing her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism, graduating in May 1987.

Palin has called herself "as pro-life as any candidate can be" and has called abortion an "atrocity."

Palin has stated that abortion should be banned in nearly all cases, including rape and incest, except if the life of the mother is endangered.

Palin has stated that she does not support embryonic stem cell research. A lifetime member of the National Rifle Association (NRA), she believes the right to bear arms includes handgun possession, and is against a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons.

She has supported gun safety education for youth. She supports capital punishment for adults who murder children.


Palin did not take questions at the press conference, although she gave a speech offering various reasons for her departure.

She described as “insane” the amount of time and money that both she and the state have been expending to successfully defeat the many "frivolous" ethics complaints filed against her.

Palin also said that an announcement that she would not seek reelection would make her an ineffective lame duck, and compared her resignation to a basketball player passing the ball in order for the team to win.

Posted by: opp88 | July 8, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

No knowing how the questions were actually phrased, it's hard to know how they got these figures. My opinion about it is was coverage of her mostly negatives -- yes. Unfairly so -- no.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | July 8, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"Carter taught everyone how to run on nothing, but it was Reagan who really perfected it."

You know, I'm no big fan of Reagan, but the guy definately didn't run on nothing (if anything, he downplayed his resume to seem more like he was running as the pure outsider). Two terms as governor of California, a fixture of the conservative movement for 16 years, president of SAG, and the leader of an insurgent movement that nearly took down a sitting president. This, on top of a moderately well known face who is trained on how to perform on stage, made for the perfect candidate. Palin, she and her fans have bought too much into the myth. Some may have sympathy for her, but people don't vote for somebody for President because they feel sorry for them (I truly hope not, at any rate).

Posted by: kreuz_missile | July 8, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Sympathy? Sorry I have no sympathy for losers, whiners, and quitters.

Get a new job, CC.

Posted by: drindl | July 8, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

You can make polls say anything you want them to. Asking 1000 people in Salt Lake will give you completely different results than 1000 in St. Louis, or Albany, or Atlanta. How many age strata were involved in the 1000?
How were the questions phrased? There is a difference between statisticians and pollsters. Pollsters are marketers, Ad Men at best.

Posted by: poppysue85 | July 8, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is queen of the "bewildered herd," which explains in large part the poll results listed. She is moreover a fraud, indicating that whatever criticism has come her way has been rightly deserved.

Personally, however, so long as Palin appears representative of the GOP, the Republican brand will continue to be perceived as out of touch, and in decline by the majority of the American voting public, which under current circumstances is wholly acceptable.

Posted by: TheghostofLennyBruce | July 8, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"Can Palin take advantage of this groundswell of sympathy to fundamentally alter the way she is perceived by Independents -- just 34 percent of whom want Palin to take on some role as a national political figure"

Chris, you need to get it out of your head that SP has a political future as a candidate. She is done. She will make megabucks through a book deal and speaking fees. She will then retreat to Alaska to tend to her dysfunctional family and go fishing and hunting, which is really what she wants to do. She may reappear every two years to stump for conservative candidates and raise money for them, but that will be the extent of her policial future. Get over it!

Posted by: NMModerate1 | July 8, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

We all hated the mean girls in high school, and there's nothing worse than a mean girl who whined her way to a not-so-significant position. She's more interested in garnering sympathy for herself than in anything else. Enough of Sarah Palin. She's just mean spirited.

Posted by: swatkins1 | July 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Fair or not, the media coverage of Sarah Palin has been too much. It is hard to be kind to a politican who starts off a national campaign with three big lies, which she continued to use for weeks. The media have been way too kind to Mrs. Palin. Had she been a seasoned politician, she would have been blown out of the water by now.

Joe Biden failed to mention an attribution in one speech and he was doomed in a previous run for president. How harsh was that?

Mrs. Palin just whines and whines.

Posted by: EarlC | July 8, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

By blithering endlessly about how well-positioned Palin is now for the GOP nomination in 2012, he provides a good reminder that there is zero chance that she will get the nomination.

His reminders of how poorly Obama, Nixon, Reagan, et al were at similar times just emphasizes how irrelevant one's position three years out actually is.

Thanks jaked! You finally provided something useful.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 8, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

This is the Palin that notified us that Obama was 'pal-ing' around with terrorists?
This is the Palin that notified us that Obama is a Socialist?
Start Palin's 2012 campaign yesterday!
W

Posted by: George20 | July 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

By comparison let's look at other women pols. Did Shirley Chisolm whine and complain and quit? No she had a distinguished career in congress and ran a spirited race for president in 1972 without quitting her congressional seat.

Bella Azbug again a distinguished career in congress and ran for senate and mayor of NYC. Did she quit, no!

Same goes for Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchenson now running for TX governor. Is she quitting and whining like Palin, No!

Posted by: MerrillFrank | July 8, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Imagine if you are Sarah Palin:

You have 2 options:

1. Work/study very hard and subject yourself and your family to scrutiny and (maybe) win prez one day to get $400K per year and then lucrative deals afterward (books, speeches, etc).

OR,

2. Take the lucrative deals NOW and enjoy life w/ your kids and grandchild.

I guess she's not THAT dumb after all.

For the record, I am an avid Obama supporter and would have seriously considered moving to Canada had McCain/Palin won the 2008 election.

Posted by: ewexler1 | July 8, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Lisa421: as a woman voter, I can tell you exactly why I would never vote for Palin. Nothing to do with her politics---it was a reckless and self serving decision she made. She was in Texas when her amniotic fluid started leaking, which every doctor will tell you get to the hospital cause chances of infection, birth defects, dry birth, etc. increase dramatically. Trigg didn't have enough challenges facing him? Choosing not to have an abortion, but keeping her pregnancy secret probably had something to do with the decision to fly from Texas to Seattle, have a lay over there for a couple of hours, then fly to Anchorage, then drive an hour home. What mother who wants her baby risks that? It would seem her secret was more important than his health. She should be investigated for child endangerment for her actions. Her 5th pregnancy, she KNEW amniotic fluid leaking is a "go to nearest hospital" event. But she couldn't very well have a baby in another state when her own constituents didn't know she was pregnant. She hoped she could control the media in Alaska, but that wouldn't have happened if Trigg had been born in Seattle or Texas. Don't give me that crap about wanting to be at home, with her own doctor. When you are giving birth, you want the closest doctor and hospital, you want to do everything in your power to ensure your child's safety. She wasn't a teen having a secret baby in the girls' washroom, she was a married mother of almost 5 kids. So many people focussed on Trigg's parentage and Bristol's pregnancy to even consider this crime.

Posted by: katem1 | July 8, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

It's interesting to think about where these results lead in terms of future campaigns by other candidates. Carter taught everyone how to run on nothing, but it was Reagan who really perfected it. Somebody else is bound to use Sarah's recipe: Hold no news conferences, appear on no political discussion shows and face no tough questions; constantly attack the press for digging to find the kinds of answers other candidates foolishly just provide; put stuff out that inevitably subjects you to criticism, then blame the press for criticizing you. Avoid substance and policy at all cost, and make everything about poor you and your victimhood. Apparently it works. In Palin's case, it's all she's got; combine that with some real substance and you might really have something.

Truth is, nobody has ever gotten the free pass and special treatment that Palin has gotten. She has yet to face even one form of the tough examination that real politicians handle regularly and with ease. I guess the "fair" thing for the press to do would be to ignore her until she decides to come out and play the real game the way they make everybody else plays it.

Posted by: NomoStew | July 8, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Having sympathy for Sarah Palin and voting for her are two separate attitudes, which, believe it or not, can coexist in one brain. I know a few people who found her act appealing, but I know no one, including Republicans, who found her a credible candidate for national office. Nor has she done anything since to convince skeptics to take her seriously. Maybe she can help moderate GOP politicians attract the lunatic fringe; otherwise, she's a waste of column space.

Posted by: Koko3 | July 8, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

One thing you can count on about Sarah Palin: The more people see and hear her, the less they like her. When she made her first appearance at the GOP convention, she was new, unknown, interesting and--for the rancid right--a perfect selection to hurl the rancid red meat they scarf up like dingoes gobbling up baby roos.

Then, the more appearances she made in public, the more the media probed what she believed and her personal character traits, the more she sank in the polls. Until recently, she had been out of the lime light so people had pretty much forgotten her fairly squalid performance as a VP candidate.

Indeed, she may be benefitting at the moment from a sympathy effect. But, I saw little in those polls to indicate to me that she is considered a serious candidate for any high office let alone the Presidency. If she does make a run at it, she will suffer the very same result as before. The more she is exposed to the public, the more convinced they become of her utter lack of substance and intellect.

Posted by: jaxas | July 8, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Keep milking it.

Posted by: whocares666 | July 8, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Parjkerf, I believe you may have missed the significance of the poll. The part of the poll that yielded the most favorable numbers for Palin was among republicans only. And even in that part of the poll, 27% indicated they would not vote for her if she were the nominee. That does not bode well for a Presidential aspirant.

On the poll of all Americans, she did not fare nearly as well. A solid 53% majority had an unfavorable view of her. Moreover, the pundits are twiting this survey to make Palin look more favorable than she actually is. All of them combined the numbers who said they were somewhat likely to very likely to support her if nominated.

Finally, Gallup has been the go to pollster for angry conservatives who want to see more negative polling results for Obama. Thus Gallup has taken to wording their poll questions in such a way as to justify an interpretation more favorable to conservatives.

Gallup is notoriously pro-republican and has always had a more positive result for republicans than other polls.

Posted by: jaxas | July 8, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Face it, there are lies, da** lies and polls. I have been registered to vote and have voted in EVERY election that I was eligible to vote in and I am 72 years old. Not once have I been polled by any group.

So where do they get the people who are polled? Believe in polls? No, thanks. Especially this one since I have spoken to no one who has sympathy for Palin. After all, we can count on a new "pity me" from her every couple of weeks.

Posted by: Utahreb | July 8, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

This is just part of the politics of victimization that Republicans practice so readily these days. Palin waxes with artificial indignation about every perceived slight, and tries to exaggerate its effects. So, when David Letterman makes an off-color joke about Palin's daughter, it becomes a media story for a week, with Letterman having to apologize, largely because he directed the joke at her legal age daughter, when the daughter the joke landed on was her 14 year old. Then we have all these fools saying how no other politician has had his or her children attacked this way. Well, no other politician has had an 18 year old daughter bear a child out of wedlock, either.

While we're on the subject of pregnancy, what the media hasn't done enough of is point out what a bad role model Palin herself is. Here is a woman who, while serving as governor of a state, has unprotected sex with her husband, even though she is old enough to have a high risk factor for giving birth to a child with Down's syndrome. Trig Palin was not an "accident", Trig Palin was a careless error". Is it any surprise that her then 17 year old daughter made the same careless error with her foul mouthed hockey playing boyfriend?

So, we have a member of the sanctimonious anti-sex education pro abstinence religious right carelessly getting pregnant, followed by her own daughter's pregnancy. These people are the poster children for sex education and family planning. They belong on Jerry Springer.

Posted by: jheath531 | July 8, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Palin sure has her admirers in the mainstream media and Chris--along with the entire MORNING JOE crew and the entire Fox News network--is one of them.

I think that tends to color their coverage of her. Let me cite just one example: All of these gushy Palin sympathizers are practically levitating over this Gallup poll. But think about it for a minute. In that poll of republicans, nearly a third of them said they were not likely to vote for her if she were the nominee. Yet, the pundits are all atwitter over the 71% who indicated they would support her.

If this were anyone other than the hapless Palin, such numbers would be considered disastrous for any nominee aspiring to run for President. I really think some of Palin's wet admirers need to take note of the romanic haze they are perceiving her through and take note of her astonishingly inarticulate rhetoric and rancid ideological views.

Posted by: jaxas | July 8, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

This is only a temporary bit of insanity among Americans. They will once again loath Palin when she tries to talk real issues, about which she knows absolutely nothing.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | July 8, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

you can find sympathy in the dictionary bvetwin s--t and syphallis.
Of coarse she believes their is a "law department" for the POTUS.
The same as believing the first amendment is to protect her ferom the media and not the other way around.
She either used her copy of the constitution to start a fire on a cold winter night or as tp because she lives in the wild state of Alaska.
Google "Lyda Green on palin" for an insider look at palin.

Posted by: katerinaDeligiannis | July 8, 2009 5:30 AM | Report abuse

If the media favoritism were exactly reversed — i.e., unreserved, unquestioning adulation for Gov. Palin versus relentless, scurrilous, slanderous, baseless, vicious savaging of Oboobma — what would there relative positions be today.

In your heart, you know the answer.

Whatever Gov. Palin decides to do, she will rise above the pathetic moonbats and snarky elites arrayed against her.

Fear the Barracuda.

Posted by: zjr78xva | July 8, 2009 4:44 AM | Report abuse

Fear the Barracuda, moonbats!

Start saying your goodbyes, Oboobma!

Posted by: zjr78xva | July 8, 2009 4:33 AM | Report abuse

She's manipulative but not smart. Pity is pity, it's not respect and it's not votes.

For someone who dished it out by calling her esteemed political opponent a terrorist she sure is thin-skinned when it comes to taking it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Has Palin been piled on? Yes. On the other hand, she keeps asking for more.

She said she's a fiscal conservative but took per diem payments from the state to live in her own house. Legal? Yes. Fiscally conservative? No.

She said people who stay in office are "quitters". But quitting as Governor showed she was a "fighter".

She said lame ducks "milk it" by taking trips around their state on the tax payer's dime. Then she took a trip to Dillingham on the tax payer's dime.

She said lame ducks "milk it" by taking overseas trips on the tax payer's dime. A week after she returned from an overseas trip on the tax payer's dime.

She complained about Letterman's bad joke (about daughter #1 or #2). Children are "off limits" she said. Then she issued a press release that dragged daughter #3 into the controversy.

I'm a moderately liberal Democrat. But over 30 years, I've voted for Republicans about 20% of the time.

I like to look at facts rather than ideology. The facts indicate Palin's actions contradict her statements.

Posted by: pease504 | July 8, 2009 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Unless this is just people feeling that Palin has been getting a tough rap over the past few days, I'm shocked by these results. Anyone remember when media members tried to argue that Sarah Palin "won" the vice presidential debate? The media has long refrained from the complete disrespect that Sarah Palin's behavior deserves if all things were fair.

Posted by: theamazingjex | July 8, 2009 2:48 AM | Report abuse

She was the mistress of her own demise. The little lady (and I use that term loosely) is a narcissistic publicty-hound. Once a runner-up, always a runner-up. Winners don't whine and whiners don't win.

Posted by: 10emlet | July 8, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

As long as the fem's are out there in the media, Palin will be burned at the stake. Ten fem's in a room and the men all around just one, the other nine will get her.

Andrea Mitchell did a side step the last few days but still got her zingers in this week.
The CNN hard core broads are professional killers.

She can't make a pres. bid, but maybe VP again.

Posted by: mymanjones | July 8, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse

wwoodward (again):

Did you see my question to you?

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2009 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Sasha and Malia's "JCrew" commercial in Moscow make them fair game too?

Posted by: JakeD

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Knock yourself out, Jake

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

timoteotk:

Amen!

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

PALIN HAS NO LEG TO STAND ON WHEN SHE WHINES ABOUT PEOPLE PICKING ON HER KIDS,'''SHE IS THE ONE WHO DRUG THEM OUT ON STAGE AND PRANCED THEM AROUND,,,,,,,THEREFORE THEY ARE FAIR GAME.
I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT WHEN SHE DID IT, BUT SHE IS TO BLAME FOR IT ALL....SURELY SHE HAS NO PLANS TO BE ELECTED FOR ANY OTHER OFFICE,,,,,,,,WHO QUITES BEING GOVENOR??????? I DON'T SEE HOW SHE COULD
FIX HER MOUTH TO SAY,,,PLEASE VOTE FOR ME................................AGAIN

Posted by: wwoodard | July 8, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Fortunately the vast majority of people in this country realize Palin is unqualified to be president of the United States. A slight majority may feel a little sorry for prevailing media coverage of her, but this does not suggest they will thereby support someone for the highest office who they consider unqualified for the job.

In addition to being poorly informed on many important issues, her right wing ideology, which some probably are not aware of, place her far outside the mainstream of political opinions in contemporary America.

Of course, though Bush was able to fool people to elect him once and sort of, with a lot of assistande from five Republican justices on the high court, about eight and a half years ago. Bush and Cheney also fooled a majority about their phony rationale for invading, occupying Iraq. Most people did not realize they had been deceived, lied to for four or five years.

So do not entirely count Palin out as a possible president. There are a lot of guillible people in this country.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | July 8, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I hope SOMEBODY sticks it to the Washington insider CROWD... Yeah she needs some sprucing up..But I like the WILD WOMAN OF THE NORTH..and I Truly hope she sticks around to stick it to the Scribes and Pharisees who think they are SO ABOVE it all. OUR FORE FATHERS WERE AGAINST BIG GOVERNMENT BAILING EVERYONE OUT AND TAKING OVER...Whilr they were for Christian principles in general...THEY WERE AGAINST A CENTRALIZED CHURCH(IE like ROME) AND THEY WERE AGAINST A STRONG OVERBEARING CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT..anyone who reads Thomas Jefferson KNOWS THIS. I say Go Sarah GO...forget the buggers in the media...their modus operandi is to accuse, file complaints and try to bankrupt anyone who defys them by having to pay court costs...they are the lowest life forms their are...always seeking to bring down...never to build up anyone who speaks against their power structures....there are probably alot of scientologists in the mix..that is what they do too as well.

Posted by: timoteotk | July 8, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I think I could write the JakeBot in about 500 lines of Lua.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

wwoodard:

Sasha and Malia's "JCrew" commercial in Moscow make them fair game too?

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

OK DAlbert, how did she state clearly? Does one have to circle every fifth word or something?

Because the speech I heard brings many thoughts to mind, most of them having to do with puzzlement, and "clear" is not a word that speech inspires in this listener.

Maybe she speaks from the heart but she doesn't make a lot of sense.

Sounded to me like she's bored with it and wants to go play somewhere else.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 1:36 AM | Report abuse

PALIN HAS NO LEG TO STAND ON WHEN SHE WHINES ABOUT PEOPLE PICKING ON HER KIDS,'''SHE IS THE ONE WHO DRUG THEM OUT ON STAGE AND PRANCED THEM AROUND,,,,,,,THEREFORE THEY ARE FAIR GAME.
I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT WHEN SHE DID IT, BUT SHE IS TO BLAME FOR IT ALL....SURELY SHE HAS NO PLANS TO BE ELECTED FOR ANY OTHER OFFICE,,,,,,,,WHO QUITES BEING GOVENOR??????? I DON'T SEE HOW SHE COULD
FIX HER MOUTH TO SAY,,,PLEASE VOTE FOR ME................................

Posted by: wwoodard | July 8, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

I have been around since I voted for Ike in '52. I work hard and long hours for whom I believe is the best person for the job. I am delighted Sarah got out from under the evil rats. Sarah did one thing simple--She stated very clearly what our forefathers declared 233 years past. The young sheep should wish with all their hearts the United States of America is still not a third world country when 2012 rolls around.

Personally I would give my life for this woman who speaks from the heart and is a true visionary.

God Bless this great land.

Posted by: DAlbertSr | July 8, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what Palin thinks about "Deadliest Catch"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

What's going to happen in a couple of years? Is she going to get a lot smarter? A lot lot better organized? Will she become introspective and dignified?

In a couple of years she'll still be winking at the camera. She'll still be winging it on even the simplest questions. She'll still be promoting herself and her faith an' family instead of doing the hard homework of learning how the world works.

She's 45 years old. If at 45 she hasn't shown the arc and the spark, she's not ever going to.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

The pattern is an expressed feeling of being victim with an entitlement to punish the imaginary perpetrators, gaining sympathy for 'poor me,' showing her glass jaw, dishing it out like nobody's business and then not wanting it back, not being able to take it, all at the same time as playing rowdy heroine maverick hunter fisher champion. If people feel sympathy for this, it is only because they have not experienced the pattern in action in their own lives. This pattern is inevitably polarizing, divisive, and aggressive but perhaps also a little passive aggressive, poor me, bad you, so on.

Posted by: GaiasChild | July 8, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

ryan_heart:

We'll see in a couple years.

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Please stop the 24/7 coverage of Sarah Palin and Michael Jackson. My friend has a new tv and she is afraid to use the remote because if her husband sees one more image of Sarah or Michael flash by he will throw his shoe at it HARD. I know you get lots of comments when you write about her, but it is time she is no longer news And CNN's got to put Michael in the ground sometime soon! On to something revelant please.

Posted by: txajohnson | July 8, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

WaPo was offline for almost a half hour here.

"Anyone else" see the same?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

She should have said no to McCain.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse


"Failing-Palin"

Posted by: ryan_heart | July 8, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Shouting out to the only two posters who dignify your drivel with responses won't elect Palin, Jake.

Obama is intelligent, disciplined, organized.

Palin is dummmmmmb.

She's not "positioned" to win the nomination, and even if she did, even if Obama screwed up royally, Americans aren't going to vote themselves out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Get real. She's done.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade or mark_in_austin:

If you happen to see this, please let me know if 72% of 21% is "better positioned" than 0%.

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Per the instant Gallup poll, 72% of Republican registered voters are "likely" to vote Palin for President.

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72% of 21% are "likely" to vote for her.

That's really alarming, isn't it.

Fool.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Per the instant Gallup poll, 72% of Republican registered voters are "likely" to vote Palin for President. At this point, four years ago, Obama hadn't even declared he was a candidate. There's no doubt that she is better positioned than Obama (who was a long shot until his first primary win).

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

David Brooks' latest column is about dignity. Despite being a conservative, Brooks is a brilliant man and not in any way an ideologue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/opinion/07brooks.html?_r=1

The ending:

" First, there was Mark Sanford’s press conference. Here was a guy utterly lacking in any sense of reticence, who was given to rambling self-exposure even in his moment of disgrace. Then there was the death of Michael Jackson and the discussion of his life. Here was a guy who was apparently untouched by any pressure to live according to the rules and restraints of adulthood. Then there was Sarah Palin’s press conference. Here was a woman who aspires to a high public role but is unfamiliar with the traits of equipoise and constancy, which are the sources of authority and trust.

In each of these events, one sees people who simply have no social norms to guide them as they try to navigate the currents of their own passions.

Americans still admire dignity. But the word has become unmoored from any larger set of rules or ethical system.

But it’s not right to end on a note of cultural pessimism because there is the fact of President Obama. Whatever policy differences people may have with him, we can all agree that he exemplifies reticence, dispassion and the other traits associated with dignity. The cultural effects of his presidency are not yet clear, but they may surpass his policy impact. He may revitalize the concept of dignity for a new generation and embody a new set of rules for self-mastery."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 8, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

@DrainYou: your money is safe. Palin won't get the nomination. Not that the GOP knows better than to nominate someone with no chance to win, after all they nominated McCain .. but they blame Palin for their loss. Which is pretty stupid considering they chose her for the VP slot.

Wouldn't occur to them that an idea-cleansed campaign based on screaming "Socialist!" had anything to do with it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

well, there you go.... something for you repunants to gnaw on. You've had a couple of bad months. Gotta change eventually.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | July 7, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

How you could say that Palin is in a better "position" than Obama defies comprehension. Obama ran a campaign that people will be studying decades from now. Palin blew it from the moment she stepped onstage.

After McCain lost she had 80,000 loyal followers ready to take her marching orders. She didn't even answer emails. The whole SarahPAC thing fell apart due to her staggering incompetence. She appointed friends, Alaskans, people with no national experience, and she let it all slip away.

Obama took on and beat the greatest Democratic and Republican political machines. Palin can't stop acting like a little girl.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

As a loyal member of the MAJORITY Democratic party - if Palin runs for Prez in 2012, I'll donate $$$ to help her out. Heck, I'd even campaign for her to win the Repuglican nomination.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

You nurture that hope, Jake. You go on telling yourself that Palin will be president someday. The rest of us will marvel at the incredible extent of your cluelessness.

@DrainYou: when Jake pops his cork he rags on me about oral sex. Repressed is hardly the word for it, not sure there even is one. Oral sex *rocks*

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary08:

If she gains the nomination, and gets elected President, it won't be "old news" that's for sure. She's in a better position than Obama was on July 7, 2005.

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,
The problem with wingnutters like JakeD is they're repressed. Lil' Jake probably can't even remember the last time he got laid, he's to busy spreading BS GOPer propaganda 24/7.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Who cares, Palin is old news, this story has become tiresome and boring, just like Palin, we need someone new to talk about.

Posted by: Hillary08 | July 7, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - Hillary Clinton never had to put up with this, yet got to blame the "vast right-wing conspiracy" which later proved to be untrue.


Sarahcudda didn't have any problem trashing Hillary and claiming that Pres Obama "pals around with terrorists" etc, but when she gets called out she hides behind her kids and plays the victim role.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC-tOzXQOsk
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Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Third parties ARE good!

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I am sure that Piper and Trig are meth addicts (that will probably be headlining HuffPo by tomorrow morning). Hillary Clinton never had to put up with this, yet got to blame the "vast right-wing conspiracy" which later proved to be untrue.

==

Go have a good cry, Jake.

Let it out.

There's a good lad.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

Gov. Palin can't very well "go back" if she never was a member of the Alaska Independent Party. Beside, some here think that she can't be "registered" (or "affiliated") Independent.

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, said Todd Palin twice registered under the Alaskan Independence Party — in 1995 and 2000.

Some members of the party have advocated secession from the United States, though that is not a goal listed in the party's platform.

Sarah Palin registered as an independent

Voter registration records show Sarah Palin registered in May 1982 as a member of the Republican Party and has not changed her affiliation. Todd Palin has been registered undeclared since 2002, Fenumiai said.

Palin did address the Alaskan Independence Party's state convention by video earlier this year, welcoming the party to Fairbanks.

"Your party plays an important role in our state's politics," she said in the video, which is posted on the party's Web site. "I've always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well."

Posted by: opp88 | July 7, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I am sure that Piper and Trig are meth addicts (that will probably be headlining HuffPo by tomorrow morning). Hillary Clinton never had to put up with this, yet got to blame the "vast right-wing conspiracy" which later proved to be untrue.

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

remember "hop scotch mom" asked her family if should she quit as governor of Alaska?

Todd said... "hell yeah"

Then, "hop scotch mom" later said she would explain that outburst from todd.

Todd had yelled because the night before he begged the "hop scotch mom", lets go back to the Independent Party.

You don't need a title to run for any U.S. Office. Lets start up the Independent Party and head to Washington in 2012.

Posted by: opp88 | July 7, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was never a member of the AIP. In addition, Gen. MacArthur noted: "We are not retreating. We are advancing in a different direction." As the Gallup poll shows, her resignation was a wash.

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

At least she's never ADMITTED to using cocaine!

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So? Everyone around her uses meth, which is low-class coke.

Hahahahaha you just hate Obama's approval, and the fact that a black man of solid LIBERAL credentials is president must keep you awake nights.

Suffer, Jakey, suffer.

Another one of your heroes drops out.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

This is where Palin is going with here resignation, A.I.P. she's going back to her core root principles.

On September 2, 2008, the Associated Press reported that the Alaska Division of Elections said that Todd Palin had registered as a member of the (Alaskan Independence Party) in 1995 until 2002. Sarah Palin, a member of the Republican Party since 1982, delivered a taped welcome message as Governor to the party's convention.

A resignation is the formal act of giving up or quitting one's office or position.

It can also refer to the act of admitting defeat in a game like basketball.

Posted by: opp88 | July 7, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Palin should have admitted to using Cocaine. At least that would have explained her incoherence.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

At least she's never ADMITTED to using cocaine!

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Palin's speech on Friday sounded like the incoherent ramblings of a meth tweeker:

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"tweaker"

DDAWD: thanks for the school correction. I was thinking of the Harvard Law Review

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, a former Vice-Presidential candidate from one of the two major political parties stands a better chance of being elected President than a bi-sexual atheist has to become Pope. It's hilarious that you actually think they have equal probability.

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"Obama was a professor of law at Harvard."

Law student at Harvard. Law professor at University of Chicago.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 7, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Palin is part of a religious extremist movement known as "dominionism," of which some adherents are into something they call Prophesy, which is the idea that a pastor can speak with Scriptural authority.


In other words, crazy rightwing extremist pastors can speak with the authority of Scripture. From there it's a very short step to believing that one can also speak for God.


Yes, these people are that crazy. Some of them blow up womens' clinics with bombs, some shoot abortion doctors, some murder people at a Holocaust museum, some make hate-speechs to stir up the others; but some go on to hold public office (Palin, Huckabee, Bush Jr) with the goal in mind of a theocratic government.


Palin's speech on Friday sounded like the incoherent ramblings of a meth tweeker:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJX310iGR8
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Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"We don't see Hillary Clinton whining that she got treated unfairly ."

Short memory there.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 7, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow! You libs are going to spontaneously combust when she actually gets elected President.

Posted by: JakeD

==

And just wait till you see me being crowned Pope by the Cardinals, you're gonna FLIP.

You're stupid, and you're nuts too

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow! You libs are going to spontaneously combust when she actually gets elected President.

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

There are several examples of the WaPo lying, misleading, and just generally smearing Palin here:

http://24ahead.com/s/sarah-palin-smear

If you have a website and you want to do something effective to send the WaPo a message about their reporting, see this:

http://24ahead.com/sarah-palin-resigning-alaskan-governor-what-supporters-can-d

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | July 7, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, two amateurs with good looks and empty heads

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Obama was a professor of law at Harvard. He's the antithesis of "empty-headed"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin came out attacking people from the moment she step out on the stage with McCain.
She painted herself as a PITBULL and later as a barracuda. She attacked community organizing and accused people of being terrorist sympathizers (only to mention a few).
If you paint yourself as a pitbull then complain if people are attacking you, turn and put tail between legs and run, you only look foolish and cowardly.

It always seemed a little FISHY when she was picked as the vice nominee. The Mc Cain campaign looked like a marketing plan gone wrong or "Rove"ism on crack. The Republicans really need to admit themselves into political rehab. What a joke.

Posted by: wizlinbiz | July 7, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

We don't see Hillary Clinton whining that she got treated unfairly .. maybe that's because HRC was running on brains and talent while Palin was busy winking and acting like a spoiled little girl.

For the "community organizer" line, for egging on calls for Obama's murder, she deserves a lot worse than she got.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I am registered Independent, not Republican.

==

Registered = affiliated with a political party

Independent = not affiliated with a political party

This is the designated Idiot Phrase for this blog

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"As we wrote last week -- before Palin announced her resignation -- there is increasingly a sentiment among Washington Republicans that enough is enough when it comes to piling on Palin."

I would expect Republicans to feel this way. Unfortunately for them, it's too much fun to pile on when you have such a great target.

There's a good way to stop things like this: get some decent intelligent candidates who can talk straight, make sense, string two sentences together without sounding like an idiot or an angry robot, and refrain from stupid, lurid affairs.

I don't expect this to happen any time soon.

Posted by: ExperimentalTheologian | July 7, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with "unfairly positive." Palin is a vicious harpy and no more qualified for national office than a random sixth-grader. Her campaign blazed new trails of nastiness and low-class appeal.

She's a fundamentalist, for chrissake. She believes in End Times theology. She shouldn't be allowed inside the White House on a guided tour.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Who cares? She whines and engages in self-pity.

Point is, we don't vote for people because we feel sorry for them

Posted by: chrisfox8 | July 7, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

The clueless remain clueless. Republicans must really want to lose in 2012. There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?p=2098

Posted by: carlyt | July 7, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

For Sarah Palin so loves Alaska that she's sacrificing her valuable TITLE.

See:

http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/sarahs-sacrifice/

Posted by: MikeLicht | July 7, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

I'm taking a multipe-post leaf out of King_of_Zouk's playbook, but it's my last on this subject, I swear.

I've read Roger Simon's article, and I agree with 89% of it. The fact remains, however, that YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS--although Palin isn't the first, nor will she be the last, to try (alas).

Just as I thought the Rick Sanchez crack sexist and vile (and don't get me started on Letterman), Palin is simply not willing to take her whacks (a cricket metaphor, lest I get accused of advocating sado-masochism).

She has found in life that by playing the victim, she's been able to manipulate circumstances to her advantage. An engrained strategy like that is hard to give up--particularly when there's not a major intellect to back it up. As of last September, though, she was swimming with the (Big White) sharks--and we all know what happens when barracudas and sharks get together, don't we? The blood in the water is seldom the sharks'.

I actually think Gov. Sanford's behaviour, while more reprehensible (his disasterous presser was actually less inarticulate and rambling that Palin's Friday performance), is in some ways also more admirable: he's going to try to hunker down and do the work he was elected to do. He isn't picking up his markers and wandering home in tears (if he has any left in his tear ducts) because someone has been a nasty old meanie. Ought we to expect less of a woman POLITICIAN???

I'm SURE that neither Hilary Clinton--nor any other female politician I can think of--would ever dream of ceding the field just because she'd been treated 'unfairly'. That's why they're pros; that's why almost-former Gov. Palin is a dilletante, NOT because she's a woman!

Posted by: sverigegrabb | July 7, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

To Broadway Joe, I already answered that question referring to civil immunity that Presidents enjoy.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 7:44 PM
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Just between you, me, Connie Chung, and, well, Mrs. Phalin: there is no Santa Claus and, well, there is no "department of law" in the White House. It does not exist.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 7, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Famous quotes:

Farragut: Damn the torpedoes full steam ahead.

FDR: We have nothing to fear but--fear itself.

JFK: We are all Berliners.

Reagan: Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall.

Mrs. Todd Phalin (July 2009): Only dead fish go with the flow.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 7, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

To Broadway Joe, I already answered that question referring to civil immunity that Presidents enjoy.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

No mention of Phalin's imbecilic statement this week that if she were President her "department of law" in the White House could protect her from the critics? Give me a break. "Department of law"???? And she has yet to identify for Katie Couric a single newspaper she has read.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 7, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

To Gator Ron, what questions?

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Fix, for yet another pro-Phalin post. The 112nd?

Just curious, do you read the opeds in your own paper? In today's Post both Gene Robinson AND Richard Cohen make the point that Phalin was a total joke and Mac's selection of her as veep was reckless and irresponsible in the extreme.

The whole idea of someone that incurious, vain, silly, prejudiced, self-absorbed, and foolish a heartbeat away from the Presidency is frightening. Yet as Cohen writes, had BHO slipped up, Phalin could easily have been POTUS. Cohen likens the nightmare to imagining the Germans had won WWII. Robinson explains the media gave her a free ride because they were afraid of being branded elitist or sexist if they exposed her as an idiot (as journalist Charley James of laprogressive.com did).

Had the press done its job and exposed her from the beginning, instead of pretending she was some Klondike Mary Tyler Moore, Phalin would have failed on the launch pad. But they didn't and so she is still wasting our time with her, as MoDo put it, sordid "country music" dramas.

Excerpt from Pulitzer Prize winner Mr. Eugene Robinson (his best column since "Where Wright Went Wrong"). It was highlighted by Kos today.:

"The reasons she gave for stepping down are not just contrived or implausible but literally nonsensical. She can most effectively serve the people of Alaska by ceasing to exercise the powers of chief executive? She worries that as a lame duck she would somehow be compelled to waste taxpayer money on useless junkets? In her "Don't Cry For Me, Alaska" news conference announcing her departure, the folksy non sequiturs -- "Only dead fish go with the flow" -- were like nuggets of Cartesian logic amid a tub of mush.

But I'm stating the obvious. The thing is, Palin's unsuitability for high public office has been obvious all along. Tina Fey got it right; the rest of us were far too reluctant to state plainly that the emperor, or empress, has no clothes."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070603141.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Case closed.


Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 7, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Lisa if you wish to be treated with respect you need to come back and answer some questions. I am not willing to discard you as a wing nut at this point but your calling yourself an independent makes you suspiciously like JakeD.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 7, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

It's not a question of if she CAN, Chris, it's if she WILL. Many--perhaps most--of Palin's problems are of her own making. One can feel sympathy, but it seems as if what she is continually asking for is pity (not the same thing)--'poor little me'.

For someone in public life, she's either got to develop a thicker hide (not so thick as Limbaugh's, of course), or she's got to develop a new 'shtick'--less misunderstood waif and a bit more Sarah Baracuda.

Look at President Obama, who still has people (admittedly fringe-types) claiming he's a Muslim or wasn't born in the US. WHAT would Palin do if she were confronted with that type of slur?

As you've said yourself, politics ain't beanbag. Either deal with it, or get out (and I mean REALLY out). My guess is that she's too intoxicated by the national spotlight to do that.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | July 7, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

The title of this post is wrong.
Sarah Palin is not getting "sympathy."
And the left has tried to Alinsky her- and have failed miserably.

They are afraid-and they should be.
Because they put this Marxist Obama in office.
And the left and their over-reaching and ram rodding through these executive orders, bills and everything is a CRISIS-
And what is this unconstitutional CZAR BS?-
this will set the stage for a Ronald Reagan Conservative.

If a Democrat woman and her family had been savaged as Sarah Palin has-
well-it just never would have happened.
David Letterman making a joke about a Dem's child being raped- he would be so fired.

The assaults have been constant and rabid.
She smells their fear- like a Barracuda in the water.

Smear as you want liberals-
Sarah will help shape the next generation of the Republican party.
And shut up Colin Powell (traitor) and Newtie.
Take your Big Tent and shove it

Posted by: CoolPillow | July 7, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

The title of this post is wrong.
Sarah Palin is not getting "sympathy."
And the left has tried to Alinsky her- and have failed miserably.

They are afraid-and they should be.
Because they put this Marxist Obama in office.
And the left and their over-reaching and ram rodding through these executive orders, bills and everything is a CRISIS-
And what is this unconstitutional CZAR BS?-
this will set the stage for a Ronald Reagan Conservative.

If a Democrat woman and her family had been savaged as Sarah Palin has-
well-it just never would have happened.
David Letterman making a joke about a Dem's child being raped- he would be so fired.

The assaults have been constant and rabid.
She smells their fear- like a Barracuda in the water.

Smear as you want liberals-
Sarah will help shape the next generation of the Republican party.
And shut up Colin Powell (traitor) and Newtie.
Take your Big Tent and shove it

Posted by: CoolPillow | July 7, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Republican. Neither are plenty of political operatives who have (correctly) noted how Reagan was swept into office over vicious attacks on him too. Bottom line, it doesn't matter what I think. This is about the Gallup poll results and what they mean to Palin's political future.

"When Gallup asked a similar question about news coverage of Palin shortly after the Republican National Convention last September, Americans were more evenly divided in their views, with 33% saying the coverage was unfairly negative and the plurality of 36% saying it was about right. At that time, 21% thought the media were being unfairly positive toward Palin.

Implications

Palin's abrupt resignation with 18 months left in her first term as governor has probably raised more questions than answers about her political future. But the move has apparently not affected Americans' basic opinions of her to a large degree. As political observers eagerly await her next career move, roughly 19% of U.S. voters say they would be very likely to vote for her should she run for president in 2012, and another 24% say they would be somewhat likely to do so. While still the minority of all voters, it is perhaps not a bad start for an election still three years away, and arguably could put Palin in a better starting position than some of the lesser-known GOP candidates who may also seek the party's presidential nomination."

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

As soon as someone invokes Reagan, he or she can no longer claim to be independent. Lisa crossed that bridge way at the start of the comments section.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 7, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, you're not fooling anyone with the GOPer "non-partisan" schitick. A majority of woman hate the Republican party BECAUSE OF nuts like Palin, period, end of story.


I love how all of Planet Wingnuttia (see above) likes to claim that they have some sort of secret majority hidden away somewhere that only they can see or something.


With the kind of numbers the GOP has now they couldn't win a game of Bingo, let alone a National Election.
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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/the-incredible-shrinking-gop-only-one-in-five-self-identify-as-republican/
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Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I just thought it would be useful to know I am defending Sarah Palin as a non-partisan.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I thought you were leaving Lisa421?

Yeah, you're the same kind of "Independent" that JakeD is. The kind that's ashamed to called themselves what they are: Republican knuckle-draggers.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I am registered Independent, not Republican.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad to see so many angry old rich Republican white guys (JakeD) crying over their spilled bottles of Boner pills about their beloved Caribou Barbie.....Not!


They loves her. She is their Messiah/Sex Symbol. Which shows you just how morally, intellectually, and spiritually bankrupt the Republican party is.


Let Faux and Druggy Rush etc continue to worship her. She'll never get elected because she is still playing the narrow Nixon/Buchanan/Reagan Southern Republican base which no longer works anywhere but the isolated South. It's like she's refused to get a converter box and is still trying to get TV reception on an analog signal with rabbit ears. Just a lot of white noise.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

goldengate - "...comparing Palin to Obama..." Let's see, two amateurs with good looks and empty heads, clueless clodhoppers that delegation power to corrupt and cynical insiders and old friends. I'd say you could make a pretty good direct comparison between these two morons. You would, in fact, be hard pressed to not undertake that comparison between any of our last several Presidents.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 7, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Of course, TXSFRED and Lisa421 are correct. Those like "goldengate" are so blinded by hate they can't even acknowlege her executive branch experience. BTW: the "Department of Law" is what they call it in Alaska, headed by Attorney General Daniel S. Sullivan:

http://www.law.state.ak.us

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

My God, CC, stop with the Palin nonsense already! I know you get a perverse joy from tossing her before Obama's wannabe lions, here, in your own delusional little Colosseum, but it has gotten a bit long in the tooth. Palin is old news, she resigned! We know you are some how fixed on her, but it's time to move on to some other "conquest".

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 7, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Politics aside, comparing the Palin to Obama is just as ignorant as it is relevant in any way of form. The women is total nit wit disaster in every possible way. John McCain the third, a fake war hero. with one foot in the grave and special treatment all his life based on the evangelical base put the mata hari on his ticket. The fault lies with the two the two party system and the racist nature of the beast int his country.

The GOP has become a real menace in this country and the Palin adds to the credibility of these perverse people with their cheapness, ideology of inequality, rights only of their kind and the same old regressive BS that is over 200 years old.

Palin has nothing from head down to the toes and in between The record is what counts, and hers is not only not credible but full of holes the size of bomb craters.

Her family starting with the dude and his high school education, she herself needing six years to get a journalism degree in a third rate college, a teenage daughter conveniently talked into having a child and expecting to marry a another teenager who dropped of high school and has a drug pusher as mother is far from any conservative republicans, despite that they are all hypocrites. Just life style wise there is nothing common with the Cheneny's, the Romoney's., The McCain's etc with the Palin's They do not even belong in the same room let alone the company. That is the political reality.

Posted by: goldengate | July 7, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked that there are people that actually feel sympathy for this manipulative rhymes-with-rich, as a member of her own party once said.

She's such a liar. She lies so much she doesn't even know what the truth is anymore.

Posted by: truble2301 | July 7, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I did not learn much about the voting patterns of people but amongst people who were independents who voted for Obama, the choice of Palin was the reason was second to his behavior during the financial crisis that they thought made him unfit for office.

Are you telling me that you thought that Palin was coherent during the news conference.

I think she cobbled that conference together at the last minute because she knew that she was in no condition to be coherent and was trying to de-emphasize it. The last thing in the world that I want to do is pile on her right now.

But if you claim that you understood her and if I accept that your answer is honest then I must conclude you have experience in speaking in tongue, since her utterance had no logical flow. Remember she was delivering this from notes.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 7, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Furthermore, people can think she is a buffoon AND think she got unfair treatment. They might dislike Letterman's joke, but that doesn't mean the Couric interview vanishes. People dislike her and railing about the media might get people to dislike the media, but it won't get them to like her.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 7, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I gotta go now, but those of you who really, truly think that the coverage of Sarah Palin has been "unfairly positive" (I still can't believe that is possible), please try to realize what a small minority you are and that maybe, just maybe, you are blinded by partisanship and honestly missing what the rest of us (especially women) are seeing out here.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The Pitbull with Lipstick thing was a fracking joke.

Palin couldn't hold Hillary's....pantsuit. Hillary has been getting real unwarranted crap from the rightwing lunatic fringe ("liberal media") for the last twenty years and look at her now - Sec of State and hopefully Pres candidate in 2016.

Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

My theory is that most Americans are forgiving and have short memories. Sara is like a deer in our headlights and most instinctively swerve to avoid making road kill out of her. However, it's in SP's DNA to be self-righteous and if she is ever resurected as a candidate will again be hugely polarizing, mean and disrepectful of OTHER Americans, just as she was in her last campaign. Democracies need all voices in the debate and I hope she runs again so we can "progress" the American ideals. As Sinclair Lewis said: "When fascism comes to America it will wrapped in a flag carrying a cross." Americans will recognize her for who she really is!!

Posted by: truthseeker13 | July 7, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Thank you.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"Even a 16 year old in a HS civics class knows that."

Very impressive Lisa. Very impressive.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 7, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

To Fred, I couldn't have articulated that off the top of my head either, since I had to look it up.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

To Gator Ron and the rest of you piling on, 96% of Republicans who thought that only Palin (not Biden) was qualified to be President voted for McCain-Palin last time around. Unfortunately, 3% of those voted for Obama. Among those voters who believed that BOTH Palin and Biden were qualifed, 85% voted for McCain-Palin. She still has a shot.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Let us not forget that the Republican Party has its lowest popularity rating IN HISTORY right now... so polling Republicans seems like a ridiculous activity. It's like asking who's the most popular among the lowest of the low.

Posted by: mavisdarling | July 7, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

In the press conference at the time of her resignation she behaved in a manor that could not be certified as sane. I am not saying she was crazy but she was incoherent and disjointed and I thought laughing inappropriately. Those were not adjectives used by the press to describe her performance.

I never read the stuff about her clothes and her behavior once she returned to Alaska. I frankly do not like to get into the things like personality and style. I care about honesty and integrity, intelligence and perseverance, humility and executive ability. So I am not aware of the sniping that may have been done. However, I am convinced from what I have seen of her that she has displayed behavior that is unfitting of a governor. Quitting her current term now is an example of that, unless of course there is an emotional problem.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 7, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I hope all you commies think she is through. Governor Palin handled Lib lite
( McCain), Lib Morbidus ( President Obama ) and Joe the Hairless and Brainless at will and without teleprompter.
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Just keep thinking you have defeated her with your sorry media helpers. ( Don't pay any attention to that girl over there in the waders by the scrubbery... that's right .. now shake hands and congratulate each other... Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... )

Posted by: TXSFRED | July 7, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I have no sympathy for Palin. None whatsoever.

She used her family for her own personal ambitions. She has absolutely no business being in politics because of her lack of intelligence, knowledge, or cognizance of reality. She is vain, ambitious without justification, and yet thinks that she knows more than truly intelligent, rational people do. She is an extremist that represents the very worst about America.

As far as I'm concerned, I would prefer that the media to just stop reporting on her and that she would just go far, far away when we don't have to listen to her stupidity or her complaints.

Go away, Palin! No one in their "right" mind except the "righteous reich" want anything to do with you.

Goodbye, Palin. Don't let the door hit you on the derriere....

Posted by: abby0802 | July 7, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry that Palin stepped down. I hope it doesn't hurt her chances of getting into Playboy.

Posted by: hamishdad | July 7, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Lisa421, do you really think Palin could have articulated what you wrote as your interpretation of what she meant? I don't, otherwise, why didn't she say just that?

Or would she just go with something as idiotic as "Department of Law" ?

Posted by: fred_p_harris | July 7, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I believe that "Dept. of Law" refers to civil immunity that Presidents enjoy (indeed enforced by the Justice Dept.). Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.S. 681 (1997) only changed that slightly so that a sitting President of the United States has no immunity from civil litigation for acts done BEFORE taking office and unrelated to the office. Otherwise, as President, she wouldn't be subject to the kind of frivolous claims she's having to defend against now. Even a 16 year old in a HS civics class knows that.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a piece of fringe right-wing garbage.


She didn't have any problem trashing Hillary and claiming that Pres Obama "pals around with terrorists" etc, but when she gets called out she hides behind her kids and plays the victim role.


In many ways Palin represents the 2009 GOP perfectly, her picture should be right next to the word "Narcissist" in the dictionary.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC-tOzXQOsk
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Posted by: DrainYou | July 7, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so now she's a sympathetic figure because the mean ol' media keeps piling on, misconstruing her every word?

Sorry, that one will not wash. Feeling sympathetic to her because she's feeling picked on does not mitigate her lack of experience, her lack of intellectual curiosity, her lack of solid factual knowledge on the issues of moment in our country, and her total inability to admit that she has flaws on which she has rightly been called out.

Posted by: kttn | July 7, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Palin is no Reagan. He lied like a politician to cover his inadequacies but he had some areas of adequacy as well. He did have competent people around him which distinguishes him from Palin who depends on her high school friends. Even Bush had competent people in his first administration, though both administrations lacked honesty. Gates was a competent man as well.

Lisa421 are you saying that the candidate who was deemed unfit for office is going to be voted in for the reason of unfair press treatment. Most people take their responsibility to vote for president more seriously than you apparently do.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 7, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh I am sure Gallup isn't lying. But to ascribe sympathy as a result of the poll numbers is to project your own beliefs into the poll numbers.

So. Also.

C'mon..."Department of Law".....I mean, even a 16 year old in a HS civics class could do better than that.

Posted by: fred_p_harris | July 7, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"I frankly think that the media was overly kind to her."

I guess it depends on what. There was a good deal of tabloid fodder about her wardrobe and family stuff, but it was just as much as Obama experienced. For Palin, it was tabloid and blog driven. For Obama, you had an anchor of a major news network wondering out loud on air whether Obama fist bumping his wife was a terrorist gesture.

So yeah, Palin got negative stuff, but so did everyone else. She just complained about it the most.

And then you have the people who fawned over her RNC speech and you can't count the number of pundits who say she won her debate with Biden (despite the overwhelming public sentiment to the opposite)

She got both sides of it. It's politics. Sympathy never got anyone anywhere. Republicans are constantly railing against the press. It never does them any good.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 7, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Gallup isn't lying.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Sympathy for unfair treatment by the media? Really?

Do you realize she thinks there is something in Washington that protects the POTUS from ethics inquiries, and that it is called, in her own words, "the Department of Law." ?!?!?!

What the heck is this woman talking about? She *should* be roasted, daily, nightly, by the press until she learns at least *something* about government, and is able to display that knowledge in a concise and clearly understood manner.

Until then, I do not understand the sympathy, nor do I believe it exists outside of her circle of followers.

Posted by: fred_p_harris | July 7, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

All the sympathy in world doesn't explain the fact that she is a quitter and couldn't handle the heat in the kitchen.
Look at the things she said about Obama, inferring he was a traiter.
She is the one who put her children on stage in front of the world, what did she expect?
She has no class...

Posted by: gigimn37 | July 7, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

You nine percent who actually believe that the media has been "unfairly positive" covering Palin should definitely keep piling on. Talk about your unintended consequences.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly how Reagan was swept into office. She could get more Democrats and Independents than McCain did.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I frankly think that the media was overly kind to her. I do not believe that sympathy would translate into votes. If it would, this would no longer be a country that is tolerable to live in. Palin is Bush on steroids and though he has little redeeming qualities he has some. She has none.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 7, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about the "smart set" in Washington?! She wants to be seen as rallying against them and Obama.

Posted by: Lisa421 | July 7, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

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