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The Palin Wars: Part LXII



Former Gov. Sarah Palin is in the middle of yet another dispute within the party. THE MAT-SU VALLEY FRONTIERSMAN, ROBERT DEBERRY

When Steve Schmidt, campaign manager for Sen. John McCain's (Ariz.) presidential bid, said late last week that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as the Republican presidential nominee in 2012 would be "catastrophic" for the party, he set off another in a series of skirmishes between the pro and anti-Palin camps within the GOP.

On the anti-Palin side came a tweet from Mike Murphy, a Republican media consultant and a past adviser to McCain. "Steve Schmidt correct about Sarah Palin and '12," wrote Murphy. "Shame he didn't feel same way a year ago when he was lobbying McCain to choose her as VP."

And on Monday, John Weaver, McCain's closest political adviser for much of the past decade, said that he was nearly certain that the former governor would never be the Republican nominee and added that, if she was, "it would surely mean a political apocalypse is upon us."

Schmidt's comments also brought out the pro-Palin forces.

John Coale, a Democrat and personal friend to the governor, insisted that Schmidt "couldn't stand Sarah from day one" and alleged that Schmidt and "his people" had "screwed up the ABC and CBS interviews."

Charlie Black, a close adviser to McCain during the 2008 campaign and a lobbyist based in Washington, was less confrontational about Schmidt's comments but did note that the criticism of the former governor "reminds me of the things some Republicans said about [Ronald] Reagan in 1977."

This latest incident highlights the chasm that has formed within the Republican party over who Palin is, what she means to the party and where she is headed. The chasm has only grown wider in the wake of the 2008 presidential campaign as both her supporters and detractors have grown increasingly bold in offering their candid assessments about her (and each other) in the media.

Palin's memoir of the 2008 campaign -- entitled "Going Rogue" and due on bookshelves on Nov. 17 -- is sure to inflame both sides of that divide. Meg Stapleton, a spokeswoman for Palin, declined to comment on the back and forth between Schmidt, Coale and others saying simply: "The Governor will write about all of this in her book. There will be plenty of time to talk about it then."

All of the attention that Schmidt's comments have attracted is yet more evidence of the fact that Palin is a -- if not the -- prime mover in the Republican party. If she does ultimately run for president (and there are strong arguments to be made on each side), it's almost certain the the race would boil down to Palin and a single candidate -- former Gov. Mitt Romney (Mass.), Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty etc -- who would become the rallying point for the anti-Palin forces.

Until then, the forces who support her and those that oppose her will continue to reinforce their positions -- a process that could turn the 2012 presidential nominating fight into one of the most memorable in history.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 5, 2009; 10:47 AM ET
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More damning video, shot 10 days (April 8) by an Israeli newsperson - the whole story, video and still photos can be viewed at:

http://palingates.blogspot.com/

I defy anyone to watch Palin at the 2:20 mark getting up from her chair, showing no profile credible for a woman 8 months pregnant. . .then compare to the 'official' photo taken on April 13 in a black dress with 'pregnancy' belly.

A belly that was NOT THERE when she got up from her chair on April 8.

This is not just gossipy. . .frankly, if she hadn't run for VP I could care less what she tried to pull off in her home state. We cannot have someone in power at the national level who indulges in such outrageous lies and deception.

Posted by: zorra1 | October 12, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey, just so the Republicans on the thread get equal time, hows about we start a Birther Thread. We can post a link to NewsMax so those vampires can pimp some subscriptions to some of the more gullible members of my party.

Then they can sell names, phone numbers, and email addresses all over K-Street!

Come on, Mods! Equal Time!

Posted by: section9 | October 10, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute!

How the GOLDURN HECK (sorry, Sarah, I couldn't help myself....) did this turn into a Trig Truther Thread! And who the heck let Andrew Sullivan in the room, anyway.

I cannot, CAN NOT believe that the WaPo is tolerating Trig Troof in its online content.

What is this, The Atlantic or something?

Posted by: section9 | October 10, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The Dingos ate my baby...

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 6, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow sure is easy to make Jake run around chasing his tail, isn't it.

Look forward to doing this again sometime

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 6, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

[GAVEL BANGING]

This thread is now adjourned.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

The chair recognizes "angriestdogintheworld" for a two minute speech.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Would a DNA test conducted by an independent lab of your choosing be enough to convince you?

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

zorra1:

I already said that if she's lying about this, she would lose my vote too. I did watch the video and cannot tell whether she is pregnant or not (the first part with her at the door 4:00 already had her in a big black parka and 6:33 looks like a bulge to me). Sorry.

http://www.alaskahdtv.com/2008/hike-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-462

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

JD, unless you have looked up that video, you don't know 'Jake'!!

It's easy to pad one's stomach for a pregnancy photograph. . .but this real time video (you are right, taken two months and a few days prior to giving birth) shows her with a flat profile. You can't explain that away.

BTW I have given birth to four kids, in case that means anything. Anyone who is 6-7 months along, even if they are one of those 'slow showers' (which Palin apparently is not, given the previous photograph) STILL would evidence some sort of belly at that late date. She did not.

I do believe that Trig was born a few months prior to his date. . .or born to another woman (not necessarily Bristol), prematurely, in April, which is why Palin had to rush back to Alaska to claim him.

Worse, if she really is his mother, the risks she took with that baby on the plane are unforgivable. . .and indicative of a self-centered narcissistic personality who takes heed of no one but herself. No mother who truly loves her child would have behaved that way.

Either way, she lost my vote right then and there when I put it all together.

Posted by: zorra1 | October 6, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Back to debunking the claim that Trig is not Gov. Palin's biological child:

Here's a video putting together the whole case, including comparison photos to Sarah Palin's 1989 pregnancy (I think that I've now offered more PROOF of Trig being her biological child than anyone has re: Obama being born in Hawaii ; )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyxGh6ywVrE

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Still no Maerzie?! BIG surprise ...

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that's what I thought, now she's completely silent – too bad that Maerzie couldn’t simply explain her own posts -- I will obviously no longer be answering her questions, but I will gladly debate anyone else on the point that Palin would be running this complex country a whole lot better than Obama has, especially regarding Afghanistan and the Supreme Court (assuming there would have even been a retirement). In addition, I will note that Barack Obama and Theodore Roosevelt both went to multiple colleges without graduating from the first ones -- so, we know that's not a significant problem -- the following Presidents never even went to college, let alone five of them:

George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland, and Harry S Truman (poor eyesight prevented Truman from applying to West Point -- his childhood dream -- and financial constraints prevented him from securing a degree elsewhere. He did, however, study for two years toward a law degree at the Kansas City Law School, now the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law, in the early 1920s. Later in his life, at age 60, Truman was issued an invitation to become a member of Missouri-Kansas City's Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity, which he accepted even though he never earned a college degree)
Ronald Reagan graduated from little-know Eureka College in Illinois.

Finally back to the allegation that Tripp and Trig are actually brothers, not nephew and uncle (at least Maerzie is not making that claim ; )

Tripp was born on December 27, 2008, just eight months after Trig was born on April 18, 2008 -- again, that darn math "trips" the libs up -- while I guess that is physically possible if the stars and moon aligned just right, does anyone really think that's what happened here? Think of Occum's Razor. The vast conspiracy needed for this cover-up far exceeds any "conspiracy" needed for Barack Obama's mom to have given birth out-of-State and simply registered for a certification of live birth allowed under Hawaiian law at the time.

If anyone else wants to discuss that, let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Good to know. Now, would you care to answer my question to you (dodging the question by telling me to just get an "expert" to help me figure it out because it is a little too deep for me is non-responsive to the question asked -- as you can see, I easily answered every question you've asked of me -- so, this will be the last time I will ask):

Were you "absolutely deflated and heartbroken"?

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Palin certainly looks pregnant on all the pregnancy-dated photos I've seen. She must've had a sorta dull staff if nobody REALLY figured it out. I've had almost 9# babies, and I never looked "THAT" pregnant till I was in my last month.

Posted by: Maerzie | October 6, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

No, Maerzie, I am not Palin's fraternal twin. Care to answer my question now:

Were you "absolutely deflated and heartbroken"?

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Mine are never "rhetorical" questions.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Jake D."

Just get an "expert" to help you figure it out. It's a little too deep for you. Are you sure you're not her fraternal twin?

Posted by: Maerzie | October 6, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"Jake D."

Sorry I forgot to address my response (below) to you. However, I'm sure yours was a rhetorical question, made in jest! A person who can't even direct her own little family certainly could never direct a complex country like ours.

Posted by: Maerzie | October 6, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

So, Maerzie, why the big post last night about receiving a present, wrapped by an expert so perfectly in the prettiest paper and ribbon money could buy, being so excited and unable to wait to open this marvelous-looking package, but then being "absolutely deflated and heartbroken" to find a plain ordinary, empty cardboard box? Those are YOUR words, not mine.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I KNOW it's sorta hard for some people to understand, but yes, she opened her mouth and let everyone know that she's an airhead! After all, it doesn't take 5 colleges for an intelligent person to graduate. 5 colleges are only necessary when you have to shop around and find one with VERY low grade-point requirements allowing graduation. However, even that evidence isn't necessary after any interview is aired.

I have never been tempted to vote for her. Only a deaf idiot, who thinks with his little head would even CONSIDER that. However, I'm a Democrat, so I hope she does run!

Posted by: Maerzie | October 6, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Admit into evidence yet another photograph of a pregnant Gov. Palin:

http://www.factcheck.org/imagefiles/wireimages/Gusty_Pic_medium.jpg

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

[GAVEL BANGING]

zorra1:

April 18, 2008 (Trig's date of birth) is actually MORE than two months from January 20, 2008. Learn some math, and then we can talk.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Google AlaskaHDTV and watch Steve Slone's video of a Hike Around Juneau with Sarah Palin, dated January 20, 2008.

This is LESS than two months before Palin 'gave birth' to Trig, and only two weeks before she announced her 'pregnancy', then sporting a noticeable belly. Her stomach is as flat as a pancake in that video and she is running around in high heeled boots. Not even out of breath.

You can fake a pregnancy in photographs, but there is no faking this video which shows her from the front, back and side. There is absolutely NO WAY this woman is 6 to 7 months pregnant. Worse, compare this to a picture of Sarah in a previous pregnancy where she is HUGE.

A woman who would lie about something like this will LIE ABOUT ANYTHING to achieve her own ends.

Posted by: zorra1 | October 6, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

angriestdogintheworld:

Are you still here? Does Gov. Palin look pregnant enough for you in this photo?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_h906iWKl6Mg/SLwRTs6lkmI/AAAAAAAABno/4kKkvchr0uE/s400/sarah+palin+pregnant+1.jpg

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 5:54 AM | Report abuse

Despite being diagnosed with confirmed stress fractures in both feet, and being told that he should leave the show, the former Republican Majority Leader, Tom DeLay, decided to soldier on and dance the samba with partner Cheryl Burke. He deserves to come back at least one more week.

Posted by: JakeD | October 6, 2009 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Remember that kids' TV program that had the segment--One of These Things Is Not Like the Other ?
http://breepalin.blogspot.com/2009/10/sarah-palins-special-delivery-or-who.html

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Hmm, if the pictures are reliably dated then this really does look as though Sarah is not the mother of Trig.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 6, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

You can always tell who the Democrap Socialist Party and their America--hating cult following Lemmings on Fix, and the rest of the MSM don't like, they become like little irrational children, filled with hate, name-calling, and lying accusations.

==

I bet you're a *riot* at parties

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 6, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

John Coale, a Democrat and personal friend to the governor, insisted that Schmidt "couldn't stand Sarah from day one" and alleged that Schmidt and "his people" had "screwed up the ABC and CBS interviews." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


So somebody was talking to Palin threw an earphone like Bush in the debates? If Palin wins the republican nomination it's going to spell big trouble for the rest of the party. She quit being governor to make money what else needs to be said.

Posted by: whatdyousay | October 6, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

It's going to be a hoot watching the 2012 Republican primaries, to be sure.

Posted by: nodebris | October 5, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

OFF TOPIC: Tom DeLay was injured on Dancing with the Stars.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Maerzie:

So, let me get this straight. Something about Gov. Palin made her appealing enough to vote for her, but then something completely turned you off?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

armpeg:

You do realize that calling them the Democrap Socialist Party sounds like "hate[ful] name-calling" too, right?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

You can always tell who the Democrap Socialist Party and their America--hating cult following Lemmings on Fix, and the rest of the MSM don't like, they become like little irrational children, filled with hate, name-calling, and lying accusations. Sarah Palin must be doing a great job. Way to go Sarah!

Posted by: armpeg | October 5, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever received a present, wrapped by an expert so perfectly in the prettiest paper and ribbon money could buy? Remember? You couldn't wait to open it!

So, today is the day, and "TaDahhhh!" You get to open up this marvelous looking package. All you find is a plain ordinary EMPTY cardboard box! You are absolutely deflated and heartbroken!!

This is the best description anybody could ever write about Sarah Palin!

Posted by: Maerzie | October 5, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

angriestdogintheworld:

Technically, this is "off the record" since we are in recess, but I will give you a head start for tomorrow -- think of it as a "sporting chance" -- the local press knew about Gov. Palin's last pregnancy in her sixth month. There's no crime in not telling the press sooner (or even not showing until then). Here's just one link to those local stories:

http://m.digg.com/politics/Sarah_Palin_Announces_Pregnancy_to_Astonished_Press_Staff

In addition, pictures at the RGA meeting show a pregnant Palin -- and Gov. Perry makes an unwitting comment about how she is leaving to have the baby -- but I guess those could easily be dismissed as one of those pregnancy suits. Funny how there's more evidence that Sarah Palin gave birth to Trig than Obama being born in Hawaii, yet only the former is a grand conspiracy.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

All the rest of the stuff you said is nothing more than a illogical rant.

==

"Illogical rant" would be a major step up for armpeg, he writes like he's twelve years old.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Armpeg:
The Republicans first mistake was to nominate John McCain. McCain was not a Republican, he was always a member of the Maverick Party--i e a RINO a lot like former R, now a D Arlen Specter.

First of all, it was the voters who voted for McCain, not the party. As a results McCain has the most delegates in order to be nominated and selected. Second, Many of the moderates were driven out of the party by many conservative organizations such as Club for Growth and others in order to maintain the party ideological purity with no room for diversity of ideas to carry forward. Take Limbaugh, he thought he was doing the party a favor by mobilizing people to vote for Hillary in order to bloodied Obama as he thought he has the power to move people as many do listen to him everyday. As David Brook's article last Friday mention,ed nothing happened. Even Limbaugh said in response, "jealous."

the McCain team was so petrified of being accused of running a negative campaign

Truth be told that the Republican party is a master at negative campaign for the past 30 years which many people got tired of it and started to tune out. Even Ben Stein wanted McCain to bring Karl Rove into the campaign to go negative like he did with GWB. To be honest with you, when a party keeps using the same tactics year after year without offering fresh ideas and relying on the same ideals 30 years ago, it is bound to catch up with you in the end.
All the rest of the stuff you said is nothing more than a illogical rant.

Posted by: beeker25 | October 5, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Remember that kids' TV program that had the segment--One of These Things Is Not Like the Other ?
http://breepalin.blogspot.com/2009/10/sarah-palins-special-delivery-or-who.html

==

heh heh heh

How about it, Jake?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Remember that kids' TV program that had the segment--One of These Things Is Not Like the Other ?
http://breepalin.blogspot.com/2009/10/sarah-palins-special-delivery-or-who.html

Posted by: naughtymonkey | October 5, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I never said Trig was Bristol's kid... I could care less. All I did was relate a conversation I had read in a religious chat room. Existentially, I am amused by insanity of all that is political, and that includes the religious nutters. I love it when a Jimmy Swaggert reveals he likes to eat underwear, or that Haggerty guy who was corn holing a male escort on Meth. But if you dupes did not foist these bent humans on us we would not be here following and enjoying your taint licking in defending.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 5, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse


Why do photos of Palin six months into that pregnancy show no bulge?
=================================

Heck, she met with the press just days before she had the kid, had a state of the state address. It shocked the local press, which is not saying much in a one-party resource colony. But I could actually care less. Religious fundies deserve to lead the lives they mythologize. Like that "Promise Keeper" founder, Senator Ensign. One thing to be busted partaking of what you are known to be partaking and another to say you are not partaking and busted partaking.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 5, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Trig isn't Bristol's kid, and no, Trig wasn't born with Downs because (a) Palin flew on an airplane (b) went home to have the baby after an amniotic leak (c) because he was the result of incest between Todd Palin and Bristol or (d) because of genetic mutation from DNA obtained via the corpse of Ronald Wilson Reagan.

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Trig was born with Down syndrome (it's called "Down's" in Commonwealth English and nowhere is it "Downs") because he has an extra chromosome 23.

The likelihood of bearing a Down syndrome child increases rapidly with the mother's age, which is why women younger that Sarah Palin are advised to get their childbearing over with a decade before she elected to squeeze out yet another kid to saddle with a whackadoodle name.

If indeed the kid is hers, that is.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The will of God was not to make Chris fox able to procreate.

I instead he gave him the wit of a bird and the moral fiber of a mongoose.
And a taste for nubile sausage.

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The will of whom?

You believe that stuff? You belong where you are.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Point of order:

Trig isn't Bristol's kid, and no, Trig wasn't born with Downs because (a) Palin flew on an airplane (b) went home to have the baby after an amniotic leak (c) because he was the result of incest between Todd Palin and Bristol or (d) because of genetic mutation from DNA obtained via the corpse of Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Anyone else interested in actually debunking Palin Rumors:

http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

be careful, angriest, I applied the word "retarded" omitting the soothing "mentally" and got jumped all over.

And I still think it's idiotic to knowingly bring a Down syndrome baby into the world given foreknowledge.

Why do photos of Palin six months into that pregnancy show no bulge?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Signs? Hell if we're talking nutty Christian babble let's be sure to talk about portents and omens.

"The entrails are not favorable!"

We're in the twenty-first bleedin' century and people are STILL basing their lives on ancient books of fables written by prescientific illiterates.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh goody... now we can talk about signs. Anybody else just realize that Prince is like, no longer a "sign"... yup, officially he is Prince again.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 5, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Hearing none, the chair rules that the thread is officially on recess until tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m.

[GAVEL BANGING]

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

since when does cc allow Jake to moderate? I think Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) as it relates to Paling is very "on topic".

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 5, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) lives on metaphorically. I was voyeuring one Christian fundy room and they are all a twitter about whether Trig (retarded son of retarded Palan) was conceived of Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) 's DNA inplant clone nutty thing. It actually made sense.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 5, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't what I had in mind. Anyone else ON TOPIC?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The will of God was not to make Chris fox able to procreate.

I instead he gave him the wit of a bird and the moral fiber of a mongoose.
And a taste for nubile sausage.

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

it'll be vicious and it'll be ugly,

the ped speaks about itself.

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

what nutty babble

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Well, I asked for another "canard" so thanks. I guess. The "anti-Christ" (according to the Bible at least) dies from a head wound (not lung), "rises" from the dead and takes over the one-world government for seven years of Tribulation, ushering in the Second Coming of the real Christ for His 1,000 year reign. Since that didn't happen, we KNOW that Reagan was not the anti-Christ (regardless of how many letters were in his name ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

You have to understand what Palin represents, their best shot at a return to a world based on torture and war, disease and astroturds.

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You left off the big one: the opportunity to bring about the end of the world, which religious nutters are always fascinated with, now more than ever. Don't forget that American fundamentalists are universally apocalyptic.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) proved you could pull all those nutters together and make it seem like a religious movement... although he eschewed church even for the cameras. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell all lined up for the anti-Christ just as predicted in the Bible. You have to understand what Palin represents, their best shot at a return to a world based on torture and war, disease and astroturds.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 5, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that pic at the top from Palin's weird resignation?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be a show, that's for sure. All the hatred the republicans are throwing at the democrats will at that time be spent on each other. Will there be a republican group like the PUMAs? Will there be threats of leaving the party by the disaffected losers?

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Don't forget who you're talking about: the most vehemently anti-intellectual movement in American history, the most proudly irrational, the most furiously paranoid. These are people who don't do math.

They'll splinter into a dozen variously enraged groups each with their own non-negotiable top priority .. abortion, illegal immigrants, gays, Muslims .. perhaps I should say "their own non-negotiable top bigotry."

One thing for certain, it'll be vicious and it'll be ugly, and that's where Palin gets a place at the table.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

In any case, whatever your political beliefs are, are you looking forward to the circus that will be the Palin v Romney fight to be the republican presidential nominee in 2011 and 2012?

It's going to be a show, that's for sure. All the hatred the republicans are throwing at the democrats will at that time be spent on each other. Will there be a republican group like the PUMAs? Will there be threats of leaving the party by the disaffected losers? Will they actually carry it out, or even more amazing - vote for Obama to get even?

I'm setting my dvr already :-)

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I remember election night 2000, when Gore's Florida vote count suddenly dropped by 10,000.

Even if you dismiss the vote machine fraud and the obstacles placed before voters in Democratic leaning districts, even if you discount the phony bussed-in protest to stop the vote count, even if you want to quibble over who got to decide the outcome ...

.. there remains the fact that Gore won a half-million more votes nationally and any decision that ignored that in favor of the obsolete and pointless Electoral College convention (cue the "rule of law" screech) was the wrong decision.

The will of the people was not to make George W. Bush president.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The florida supreme court - a majority of which were appointed by democratic governors, decided in favor of Gore.
The US supreme court - a majority of which were appointed by republicans, decided in favor of Bush.

Throwing it to a republican controlled house of representatives would be no better.

No matter who "won" the election of 2000, large numbers of Americans would still call him "president select" before he took office.

Bush won, by hook or by crook, he was president. I didn't vote for him or whomever he was running against (who was it?). Obama won, same thing. Get over it already.

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Bush/Cheney won "fair and square" in 2004.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

angriestdogintheworld:

For the record, I objected to the Supreme Court ruling in Bush v. Gore -- I thought the election should have been decided by the U.S. House of Representatives as set forth in the Constitution -- next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I could almost take the birthers serious except Bush/Cheney was appointed and that was supported by the same folks. No credibility in the arena called democracy. Obama won by 8 points. The people have spoken.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 5, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Measure your hatred for Obama, and your desire for it to be true against the likelihood that is true. Make that same measurement on the Bush conspiracy promoters.

You may be convinced, do you honestly believe the rest of us are? I admit to being a cynic about this. But it says more to me that the people who are making the most noise about this are also the people who hate him the most. Just as it was with Bush.

Hard to ignore that.

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

in = is

sotry = story (darn Spellchecker ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

to be honest they are educating Palin like maybe/probably Obama was schooled prior to his run. Like Supreme Court nominees the process has evolved into candidates that have minimal snail trails, and the least experience with D.C.. Even Bush knew that back then when he sprinkled his seed outside D.C. and Connecticut. With Obama, the Rodham Clinton money mountain changed the dynamic and indeed provided a single target. Romney unfortunately has been running for sometime so he gets an early pass. Palin is a short resume' with highlights of improbable engagement (increasing taxes on oil companies, exposing the corrupt repuglicans from the inside out) IS like a Ronald Wilson Reagan (666). And the NEOCONS (same group that got Bush to buy a ranch in Crawford) have got her in their warm embrace. She will make a trip to Isreal soon to prove my point and that and anti-abortion will get you the soccer moms. And they will match her with a Cheney... who will that be will be the most interesting. Maybe Cheney himself with a new Baboon heart.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 5, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

kavato:

The doctor who was at the hospital in dead -- there's only one second-hand sotry I've heard about a nurse -- I believe you are purposefully mis-inflating the requirements needed for Obama's mother to register an out-of-State birth vs. GWB to bring down the WTC, by more than several orders of magnitude. If you have no more questions on that, or even the thread topic, have a nice week.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Insisting on common courtesy is hardly "b.s.". I waste enough time here already to waste even more answering questions from those who won't answer mine

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Try posing real arguments instead of BS baiting that most readers regard as beneath their dignity and see if you don't get more responses. Don't expect people to dignify your usual baiting drivel with answers, and quit whining when you deservedly get ignored.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

First and foremost, can she overcome the media portrayal of her []? Her book will go a long way toward answering that question.

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This implies that the media portrayal of Palin as scattered and unready is an inaccuracy that can be overcome by shining the light of truth into those dark corners.

And that's wrong.

If anything the media have been been generous with Palin and have failed to point out how very scattered and unready she is. The more light gets shone into those dark corners the worse Palin looks.

And she didn't write a book, that's a joke, nobody who can write a book has a "with" after her name on the cover. Lauren Bacall didn't have a "with," Barack Obama didn't have a "with," Mr. T did have a "with."

We're not going to elect Mr. T either.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Such a conspiracy requires the support of government pukes at all levels, from the doctor there the day of the birth, the nurses, the hospital administration ... continuing on into the future where retroactive support by even more conspirators is required.

The Bush government was far too incompetent to handle such a thing, so is Obama's government. In fact, government of and by the people is largely represented by the laziest, most incompetent of the people. This isn't always the case, there are bureaucrats in place we should be happy to have there, but largely these people wouldn't waste a second thinking about scoring a few hundred thousand dollars if they could by simply revealing what they know. Even if they were devoted followers.

Neither would I.
I didn't vote for Obama, in general I don't support what he's trying to do with our government. But I don't need some conspriacy theory to feel that way, I don't need it support my opinions about him.

I would suggest you get over it. He will be gone soon enough, either in 2012 or after the next election. We survived Bush, we can survive Obama. I may be a faithless atheist, but I do have faith in my country. So far we have been stronger than the most incompetent president we've ever seen, Bush, and the next most incompetent president Carter. This doesn't count of course Buchanan or whoever that guy was after Lincoln .. but these are long ago, and we don't remember how bad they were directly.

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Snowbama:
After reading your continuous drivel, I felt the need to comment. What a sad and pitiful little person you are. I'm sorry you lost. I'm sorry that you now have a distinctly bitter taste in your mouth. Your droning blather is not annoying, it's just sad. Let's just clear one little thing up, shall we? The mess that your beloved Dubya left will not be cleaned up within a year. The graft was far reaching and the stink of corruption infiltrated every orifice of not only the White House but also surrounding areas. It began with Cheney's little meeting about energy and punishing California (remember the black outs? So cute.) and continued through an unjustified war whereby billions upon billions of dollars (tax dollars and not a peep from the tea baggers! shocking.) went to buddies and pals that greased his way to the presidency. The financial anarchy that took root during this time was unprecedented and unchecked. It will not be cleaned up in a year. It will take time. I know. I know. Bush was so darned decisive! Stripping away our rights to privacy with nary a backward glance.
Deal with it, darling, the GOP had the wheel and drove us over the cliff. It will take time for the Dems to pull us back up and place us on the right path.
Your silly quips about values and abortion are exactly that. Silly. Knee jerk reactionary silliness from the lovers of a good ole girl from Alaska that quits in the middle of her term, struts around talking nonsense while banking serious cash on the backs of bitter right wing nuts. And we're angry? LOL. Gotta love GOP bizarro world!
Cheers!

Posted by: pbh4935 | October 5, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

As I said, katavo, believe it ot not -- I already explained how a simple question about where Obama was born is different than the level of conspiracy needed for a sitting President of the United States to personally plant demolition charges at the WTC and carry out a "fake" terrorist attack killing over 3,000 -- even LBJ wasn't driving the boat himself into the Gulf of Tonkin. So much for honestly answering questions ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The "birthers", conservatives all, and their concern about Obama's place of birth reminds me of the many liberals who claimed George Bush had something to do with 9/11, in particular that some evil black helicopers weakened the girders or whatever.

Utter crap. The government is far too incompetent to have successfully pulled that off without someone letting the cat out of the bag. Someone would want to write a book, you know, just like Sarah Palin. Millions to be made.

This birther nonsense is a diversionary tactic, I would not be in the least surprised if Obama's people themselves are letting it go on ... it diverts attention. Nobody seriously pays attention to it other than the birthers themselves ... and the rest of us have a less than favorable opinion of them for their claims. Just as many of us, including conservatives, thought the 911 conspiracy theories were for and generated by crackpots.

These conspiracy theories are ridiculous, and they make the proponents of these theories ridiculous. I'm convinced that's part of the plan, a way to marginalize people. And it works.

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

njacobs:

Insisting on common courtesy is hardly "b.s.". I waste enough time here already to waste even more answering questions from those who won't answer mine. As you can see, as long as you answer my questions though ...

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

An impressive, cogent, thoughtful answer by JakeD. I am impressed -- seriously. Also saddened that he doesn't operate in the same vein all the time insterad of his usual "I'll answer your questions when you answer mine" b.s. I'd also split a hair on his use of "media portrayal," as I feel the use of the MSM as a whipping post is a standard part of the conservative/GOP playbook and nothing else. But that's a hair I'd split with any conservative or Republican.

Still, as much as it pains me to admit, that's one of the most thoughtful, articulate postings I have ever read on this board by anyone.

Posted by: njacobs | October 5, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

katavo:

I don't bowl or participate in circle jerks out in the woods, but I am happy to "admit" what her weaknesses are. First and foremost, can she overcome the media portrayal of her (it was actually Tina Fey who said "I can see Russia from my house")? Her book will go a long way toward answering that question. Second, I am not weary of asking whether any of the rumors are true. Did she have an affair with Todd's business partner, is she a secret member of AIP, or is Trig her biological baby? These would be disqualifiers IMHO. Anything a la John Edwards will be used to prevent her campaign -- or worse -- blackmail her once she gets into office. Believe it not, my concern about Obama's birthplace is about this potential to blackmail him if someone actually does find the proof. It would have been much better to resolve this issue BEFORE Election Day. Lastly, something I am not nearly as concerned with her as I am with Romney: is she a true, pro-lifer? As long as all of that is fine, I have no doubts she can handle the Oval Office.

Let me know if that didn't answer your question.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the GOP is that they really don't have anything approaching "leadership"...No one at the top of the GOP heap can say a cross word about Sarah, Glenn or Boss without risking a humiliating public penance. Look at the wingnut posters here. It takes a big heap of delusion to see political victory in the form of extremism displayed here.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who follows the Olympics, the IOC and the USOC knows that long before Obama set foot in Denmark, this thing was over. The IOC has long been angry at the USOC for how much they make over the broadcast rights for the Olympics and how very little of it they share with the IOC. Not helping matters is the fact that the USOC announced this year their intention to launch their own broadcast network after the contracts with NBC expire.

So Snowbama, in your litanty of things for which you blame Obama, kindly remove this one. I know that no Obama-hater ever admits they are wrong, but you are.

Posted by: njacobs | October 5, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I really don't care if the baby was a rush job...I'm more mystified by that name...Track?

I sometimes wonder how his military career is going. I get the feeling that if he was getting the "good soldier badges", Sarah would be flogging that as hard as she could.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Just because the two Geeks in the pit have gaping asswounds, abuse drugs and have other vile habits too numerous to mention here, does not make them particularly entertaining. There is a particularly nasty crowd of yahoos gathered around the pit.

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Like the crowd at the Flesh Fairs in "AI," the only noteworthy scene in that whole dreary movie.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

snowbama...I love your "look at the Fox ratings" rant. I call it the "dung pile with the most flies is not always the sweetest" argument.

How about another analogy...There may be a large crowd at the Geek pit at the circus. The better class of people prefer to enjoy the larger, more varied exhibits.

Just because the two Geeks in the pit have gaping asswounds, abuse drugs and have other vile habits too numerous to mention here, does not make them particularly entertaining. There is a particularly nasty crowd of yahoos gathered around the pit.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 5, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Snowbama- How can you possibly say that Obama "made his political fortune at the expense and reputation of the country" with a straight face. After the fiasco of the IOC UTAH cheaters and the Atlanta bombings did it occur to you that the IOC was a bit weary of the US. Did it ever occur to you that they might have wanted to give a South American country a chance. Besides' if Obama is as conniving as you think he is; at least he didn't sell his country and dead American soldiers down the rat hole of Iraq for the price of gasoline. That would be Bush and the greedy Republicans/Conservatives who backed his dumb ... for 8 looong years.

Posted by: cdavis194 | October 5, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

snowbama...I love your "look at the Fox ratings" rant. I call it the "dung pile with the most flies is not always the sweetest" argument.

From Neilsen ratings...Average number of prime time viewers of Fox News: just under 4 million. Average number of prime time news viewers of all "non-wingnuttery" channels combined : around 28 million.

The single dung pile with the most flies may be Fox News...That is simply because it is the nastiest single pile.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 5, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Sister Sarah is no idiot.

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True, but if she studies really really hard and doesn't quit the first time the study becomes hard she might hope to achieve idiocy some day.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason that Beck and the rest at Fox News have good numbers. They are as far to the right as you can go, and for millions of (delusional) Americans, that's the only place to find their "truthiness."

Here's a little clue for you Fox lovers: If you can't see anyone to the right of you, then you are NOT in the middle. Not in the mainstream, not the majority of Americans. Same goes for anyone who watches just MSNBC.

The rest of America prefers to get their news from a variety of sources.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

'The demos must be worried about Palin. "

This always gives me a good laugh. Yes, worried that she will try to walk and chew gum at the same time and injure herself.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

This was priceless...

"What are McCain's advisers afraid of?
Are they afraid that during a year long campaign in fifty state elections Palin won't look like the idiot they portray her to be?"

Sister Sarah is no idiot...She's crafty as a fox but the idea that a year long, fifty state campaign will make her look Presidential? I don't see that happening.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 5, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Snowbama - I watch and listen to Beck and Fox all the time and I am a card toting Koolaid drinking liberal Dem/Obama space alien. I wonder if it ever occurs to any of you that some people might watch those shows as comic relief. That would account for some of those excessively high ratings they say they keep getting. *(I prefer to watch intelligent guys like Chris Cillizza on MSNBC for the real commentary) As for Palin (which is what Chris's article IS ABOUT) God I hope she does run. Wouldn't it be hoot if she beat Romney, Pawlenty and Huckabee. I think the really smart white people would be so insulted that they would vote for Tweety Bird for President rather than vote for that nincompoop.

Posted by: cdavis194 | October 5, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"If she runs as an Independent, she will get more votes than Ross Perot did at least ; )"
Posted by: JakeD

Another characture rather than a candidate. he managed to fade into history. Why can't Sarah? Too much money to be made?

Posted by: Fate1 | October 5, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the tome should be titled ´´Going Rouge´´ due to the former gov´s penchant for wearing red power suits and getting dolled up for PR shots. But if, God forbid, she were to get elected in 2012, I suspect a lot of Republicans would also go red from shame or apoplexy. She blew her chance to show she could run something when she bailed from Alaska--which, by the way, is not really a good test model for running a whole country.

Posted by: joel18 | October 5, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

All this rabidly delusional stuff about "real Americans" and Palin as solid executive material is immensely comforting to those of us who want to see Republicans remain out of power.

When all your reasoning is predicated on delusion and illogic then you're not going to win elections.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

It is too early to choose a candidate. I wish The Kenyan had declared this early for people to learn what a wee-wee he is. The demos must be worried about Palin. Probably were not so much about the almost demo McCain who was picked by the hosts on the NBC 'debates' by the questions asked.

Posted by: 1uncle | October 5, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"We do not need the Britney Spears of politics in the White House."
Posted by: MOinkslinger

Whoa ... I think you owe Spears an apology.

Posted by: Fate1 | October 5, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

jhpurdy:

She's BETTER than Reagan.

katavo:

Thanks for the answer. I will answer you questions after lunch : )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Fate1:

No, and I would much rather her run as a Republican. Especially if the economy hasn't improved, splitting the GOP vote is the only hope Obama has. But that's why I appreciate her book title so much.

If she runs as an Independent, she will get more votes than Ross Perot did at least ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

First this:

Palin will find gunning down RINOs in Washington a snap...

And then this:

McCain lost because he and his team--including dodo Steve Smith--were timid, scared sh**less, and they didn't do what the always sleazy Democrap Socialist Party would have done with the same info had they had it re. McCain or Palin's past. USED IT!!!

You gotta love the "we weren't conservative enough mantra"...

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 5, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Going Vague" is the actual title, as it should be.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Black's comment, re Palin, that people said the same thing about Reagan is patently ridiculous. I am a liberal Democrat, but I am willing to grant that, prior to running for president, Reagan had significant political achievements behind him. He had served two terms as governor of California, a state that then had something like the world's 7th largest economy. And prior to his governorship, he had been president of the Screen Actors Guild, a job I can guarantee is far more complicated than running Alaska, where the work seems to be limited to cashing checks from the oil companies and the Feds.

Just as Dan Quayle was no Jack Kennedy (according to Lloyd Benson) I am sure that Sarah Palin is no Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: jhpurdy | October 5, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

poor armpeg. frothing with rage, and too incoherent and illiterate to communicate.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
There's a small typo in the title: LXII should be MLXII (or more)...

Posted by: archaeoman | October 5, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party is spending way too much time thinking about Sarah in 2012. The party needs to find an eligible candidate that is not polarizing. If Sarah Palin is on the Republican ticket in 2012, this conservative will have no choice but to vote Democratic. We do not need the Britney Spears of politics in the White House.

Posted by: MOinkslinger | October 5, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Hard to say JakeD. Believe it or not I could have voted for Romney in the last election. He's the only one I saw running with any real executive experience, and success at running a flaming liberal state too. A man who knows how to get along.

Hell, I'm atheist too, and I would have voted for the Mormon. Can you believe that?

As far as Sarah running on an independent party, I'm all for it. She's really not important to what I'm saying here ... I'd like to see the Pat Robertson Republicans split off from the GOP and form their own madrassa ... I mean party. Then maybe the karl marx democrats would split off and form their own party too.

Just think, the wingnut freaks off in their own parties, we might be able to have an honest debate over policy between the more centrist democrats and the more centrist republicans.

So yes, Go Sarah! Form your own party, you can call it the Christian Republicans. I heard other countries have a Christian Democrat party ... why not?

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

re. Steve Smith campaign manager for John McCain said that Sarah Palin becomming the GOP Parties nominee would be "catastrophic for the party" in 2012.
Bull Sh** Steve !!
What was "catastrophic" for the Republican Party in 2008 was John McCain and Steve Smith, who campaigned like if they wanted Marxist Barack Obama to win. The Republicans first mistake was to nominate John McCain. McCain was not a Republican, he was always a member of the Maverick Party--i e a RINO a lot like former R, now a D Arlen Specter.
McCain's nomination by the GOP must have been a dream come true to Democrap Socialists and Marxist Obama. While the Democrap Socialists, in collution with the Democrap Socialist--controlled Main Stream Media, dug up every piece of personel dirt and possible wrongdoing going back to McCain and Palin's teenage years, the McCain team was so petrified of being accused of running a negative campaign and being branded with the "R" word, that they never mentioned Obama's Communist, anti--America, and racist anti--white assocciations that he's been allied with for over 25 years. With the MSM in the Democrap Socialist Parties and Marxist Obama's hip-pocket, they of course didn't either, so the McCain team, being as timid about Obama's past as they were, had two strikes against them before they came up to the plate. The Democrap Socialist Party, and their propaganda arm the MSM, I'm sure would never have let slide the news of McCain or Palin being members of a Communist and America and white--hating group in their college days, as they did with Obama's membership with James Combs Black Liberation Front, that was teaching it's members the Malcolm X philosophy. They'd never let slide the news had McCain or Palin been members and big supporters of a racist BLACK--hating and America--hating cult/church, for over 20 years, as was the case with Obama's membership in his racist anti--white and anti--America hating Trinity UFC Church. They'd never let slide the news that Obama's entire adult life was spent with Communists, anti--white racists, and America--haters, and his (then) new--found patriotism and love for America was purely a sham to fool the fools.
McCain lost because he and his team--including dodo Steve Smith--were timid, scared sh**less, and they didn't do what the always sleazy Democrap Socialist Party would have done with the same info had they had it re. McCain or Palin's past. USED IT!!! Like the saying goes 'if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen'. McCain and Steve Smith obviously couldn't stand the heat.

Posted by: armpeg | October 5, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I would be more than happy to answer your question, just as soon as you answer my

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Respond or don't respond but nobody wants to read these immature "conditions."

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Which is why I think her "Going Rogue" book is simply another step toward running as an Independent in 2012."
Posted by: JakeD

Then she'll face both the republican and democratic election machines and be eaten alive by both though the republicans, having the most to lose, will be on heightened attack. And she'd be a fool to not know that, though foolish is how I expect her to be. If she ran as an independent she would know she could not win, therefore it would either be ego or more self promotion (another book? "How I ran for president in 2012" by SARAH PALIN). But the largest question is how an independent candidacy could afford a wardrobe budget of $75,000 per month.

I think the reality is Sarah has found her true calling. After failing as a governor and VP candidate she is writing books for the brain dead religious zombies and making millions. A talent anyone would be glad to have considering the low amount of work and large income. If she runs again it will only be to provide more stuff to write about and make more millions, plus keeping her face on the TV for us all to gag at. Can't she just go moose hunting or something and leave America alone?

Posted by: Fate1 | October 5, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse


"What other politician for national office has campaigned under the burden of having a list of underwear purchases printed during the campaign?"

Oh, please. I'm pretty sure Sarah wore underwear as governor of Alaska. Since it wasn't Mitt that recruited her, she didn't need any "magic underwear." I can understand the suits and the hairstylist--but lingeree? Who's vote was that going to get--besides Todd's? Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

katavo:

I would be more than happy to answer your question, just as soon as you answer my already-pending question to you: "what do you think about my idea that she should meet with Gov. Romney and let him know that she will run as an Independent if he doesn't agree with being her VP on the Republican ticket?"

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It will be very interesting to see how other republicans running in the primary treat her. If you think democrats are mean to Sarah, just wait. You ain't seen nothing until you've seen the republicans pull out all the stops. Remember how Bush's campaign in 2004 treated McCain in SC (an illegitimate black baby?). Don't expect the republicans to show Sarah any deference as they asked the democrats to do last fall. They will eat her alive.

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And they'll fill up the news cycle backpedaling from their critiques, trying and failing to strike a balance between opposing her and respecting her, because respecting her has no credible foundation.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Sutter:

Are you still around?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

After spending her formative years hunting moose in Alaska, Palin will find gunning down RINOs in Washington a snap...

Posted by: wfnaegele | October 5, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

In the meantime, something is rotten in Texas -- when are you going to do a piece on Perry's Problem, CC?

"The Houston Chronicle's Lisa Falkenberg asks: "Is Perry pulling a Nixon?"It would be a dangerous political liability for any candidate: The possibility that, as governor, Rick Perry presided over the execution of an innocent man.

Yet, that's the prospect raised in recent years by several arson experts and exhaustive national media reports in the case of Cameron Todd Willingham. Maintaining his innocence until the end, Willingham was executed in 2004 for the deaths of his three small children in a blaze that destroyed their Corsicana home in 1991."

As we have blogged about previously (see links to our coverage below), Perry has since fired the Chairman and other two members of the Texas Forensic Science Commission in order to cancel and postpone the meeting and save himself the potential of having an official state group rule that he executed an innocent man.

Paul Burka of Texas Monthly has more in his post, simply titled, "Cover-Up" --

The commission was going to hear a report from an arson expert that the investigation leading to the conviction and execution of Cameron Willingham for the murder of his three daughters was flawed. The case has received national attention because of the possibility that Texas executed an innocent man on Perry’s watch. The removal of the three members forced the cancellation of the meeting and prevented the report from being heard.

Let’s call this what it is: a cover-up. The new chairman, Williamson County district attorney John Bradley, is a political ally of Perry’s (see below) who famously tough on crime. It would be a conversion of mythic proportions if he were to agree with the investigators’ criticism. He now controls when the commission will meet, and you can bet that the report will not be heard or discussed in a public forum before the March 2 primary."

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/9404/txgov-rick-perry-compared-to-nixon-in-coverup-of-todd-willinghams-execution

Perry's coverup starting to get bigtime news coverage. Will Chris ignore it?

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Palin is the modern voice of the republican party.

It seems both liberals and conservatives agree on this point at least.

Now that is interesting.

Now, the liberals will tear each other a new one, in public, during nationally televised events, where everybody can see it. The conservatives on the other hand will all say they are on the same side. You know, lock step and all that. They seem to see the value of loyalty to the party as exceeding the value of loyalty to anything else, including reason.

But I wonder what they really say, what words are spoken in the back pews on sunday, during the circle jerks out in the woods, over the 20th beer at the bowling alley ... are they even afraid to admit to each other they have questions about this woman?

Generally, based on what we read here, the conservatives like Palin the most when they think it bothers the liberals the most. I don't think they're thinking it through any farther than that. They may lack sufficient neuronal density to consider other reasons for liking or disliking someone.

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

jfv123:

Good post. If they felt this way about Gov. Palin during the campaign, why didn't they resign in protest? Did they just not care, as long as their guy got elected, that she would have been one heartbeat away from the Oval Office?!

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Clearly, a Palin post is good for the quantity of comments. Kinda like tossing a steak into the piranha tank.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade"

Anyone have any good recepies for how to marinate a steak?

Posted by: DDAWD | October 5, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Fate1:

Which is why I think her "Going Rogue" book is simply another step toward running as an Independent in 2012.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain's team, who advised Senator McCain to say he wouldn't attend the second Presidential debate, and then reversed the decision at the last minute, now have come up with the strategy of bad mouthing a fellow Republican to discourage her candidacy

Isn't the primary system supposed to weed out idiot candidates?

What are McCain's advisers afraid of?

Are they afraid that during a year long campaign in fifty state elections Palin won't look like the idiot they portray her to be?

Palin was thrown into a campaign at the last minute that she was not prepared for. Maybe she should have declined, but let's remember, it was Senator McCain who asked her. Palin is only guilty of answering a call to duty by someone she respected. The woman, having limited personal income, didn't even own enough clothes to conduct a national political campaign, which led to the embarassing detailed wardrobe list of clothes purchased by the campaign. What other politician for national office has campaigned under the burden of having a list of underwear purchases printed during the campaign? Palin's book will at least provide her with sufficient monetary resources to avoid that embarassment again.

Senator McCain was campaigning for President since before the turn of the Century. I respect him for his accomplishments, but his team have had their turn.

If Palin wants to be the Republican nominee in 2012, she'll have to enter the primaries and convince voters she has substance. The press won't give her a pass like they've given some other Presidential candidates. Even with the book proceeds, Palin won't have Romney's personal wealth to buy an election.

Palin will have to win the old fashioned way - small donations from millions of people and a long campaign with severe press scrutiny.

It looks like the McCain team doesn't trust Republican voters to decide whether she or they are the idiots. Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing all they can to head off a Palin candidacy. What a bunch of wimps!

Let the lady show what she can do and criticize her, if she can't perform on a level playing field.

Posted by: jfv123 | October 5, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

One thing jaked and others who think Palin has a chance in 2012 are ignoring is that before she runs against any democrat for president she must first be nominated and then be elected in a republican primary.

It will be very interesting to see how other republicans running in the primary treat her. If you think democrats are mean to Sarah, just wait. You ain't seen nothing until you've seen the republicans pull out all the stops. Remember how Bush's campaign in 2004 treated McCain in SC (an illegitimate black baby?). Don't expect the republicans to show Sarah any deference as they asked the democrats to do last fall. They will eat her alive.

Posted by: Fate1 | October 5, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, if calling another poster a pedophile passes muster around here then don't issue any more of those "name-calling" scolds for calling a racist a racist, OK?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Saying that she's the "prime mover" in Republican politics is pretty funny. True or not, it's one of the meanest things you could say about the state of the GOP right now.

That said, there is still a long, long road to 2012 and, I'm sorry to say, I think she'll get eaten alive before she gets near a real candidacy.
But if she can do it, great.
We'll get four more years with the smart guy.

Posted by: dccamp68 | October 5, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

No matter who the Democrats nominate in 2012, the Republicans lose big if they nominate Huckabee, Gingrich or Palin. Gingrich might win about 45% of the popular vote. Huckabee and Palin won't get more than 35%. It's amazing to me that Republicans can't see that Palin has already cemented her status with voters in this country as a clueless empty suit. As a liberal I say it again: please nominate this woman.

Posted by: wbowers | October 5, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

the bird brains have now arranged to swim in the sewage. so much for your blog, CC.

you have your face out of the pillow early today. I assume your "guest" had to get to middle school on time. those semi-colons are behaving better too. that allows for you to exercise your true calling. perhaps today we will finally have verifiable proof you are more intelligent than a conure. probably not.

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

It's a "strong" argument for real Americans, that's what I meant to say.

==

America would be a lot better off without these "real Americans."

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, a Palin post is good for the quantity of comments. Kinda like tossing a steak into the piranha tank.

==

Quantity, guaranteed.

Quality? Just the usual stupid birther trolls.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"She's not Barack Obama" -- that's for damn sure. More like Barbie.

==

I'm not Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama either. Make me the nominee. I guarantee you there'll be some real changes around here.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Of course Sarah is literate. She even writes poetry on Twitter!"
Posted by: mikeinmidIand

Yea, 140 characters or less at a time. About her speed.

Posted by: Fate1 | October 5, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

SilverSpring8:

Careful what you wish for (Reagan and GWB both got elected, twice ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant December 2008.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

bobnsri:

"Eye on 2012" does not equate to flat-out predictions -- so, I would have to answer "no" -- it ain't over until the fat lady sings.

Sutter:

On July 27, 2009 Department of Health Director Fukino issued a press release which stated that she has "seen the ORIGINAL VITAL RECORDS maintained on file". That's all that I want to see. Again, if you have any evidence that Gov. Palin was not born in the United States (similar to Obama's paternal grandparent saying otherwise), let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's another brainiac:

Not every Republican is running away from Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) as revelations about his love triangle with two former staffers threatens to tank his career.

Sue Lowden, among a field of Republicans hoping to challenge Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in Nevada, had some warm words for Ensign over the weekend.

Lowden told the newspaper in Elko she wants Ensign to campaign for her:

She also said Friday she stood by her comments that she hopes to see Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., campaigning for Republicans in Nevada. Democrats criticized her earlier for saying she didn't think Ensign should resign after he confessed to an affair with a staffer. Ensign is under fire against this week over new disclosures related to the affair.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee plans to ask the other candidates if they agree with her, and to note national Republicans have distanced themselves from Ensign since he admitted having an affair with a staffer.

"Sue Lowden's support of John Ensign may have fundraising value to her, but it is a reflection of her own character and fitness for office. She has shown more fidelity to him, than he has shown to his own wife," DSCC spokesman Eric Schultz will say in a press release today."

In the meantime, Ensign is being investigated by the FBI. Maybe he will campaign for her in his orange jumpsuit.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Pro: In April 08 she transitioned from MILF to GILF. If elected, she would be the first POTUSILF.

Con: Tina Fey will always be hotter. And smarter.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"She's not Barack Obama" -- that's for damn sure. More like Barbie.

Give up Sutter, don't waste your time on idiots.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, a Palin post is good for the quantity of comments. Kinda like tossing a steak into the piranha tank.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 5, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I get on my knees every night and pray to God that He will bless this great country by making Sarah Palin the Republi-con nominee in 2012.

I can't think of a better way to ensure that the Republi-cons remain out of power.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | October 5, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The State of Hawaii has released the only type of birth certificate they have. Obama cannot release any more than the state has. His grandparents, obviously part of the big conspiracy and knowing thier son would someday run for President, put an announcement in the local paper when he was born. The issue is closed. Obama will not be kicked out of office because someone isn't satisified with what the State of Hawaii says. If one wants to disagree with Obama's policies, go for it. But the "born in Kenya" conspiracy just makes people look kooky (besides, the real records are hidden in Area 51). Come to think of it, I've never seen Sarah Palin's birth certificate. How do I know it wasn't a fake? And John McCain? He claims he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, then a possession of the U.S., but isn't it possible he was born in Panamanian territory and his mother just brought him into the canal zone and someone forged the documents?

Posted by: Sutter | October 5, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

It amuses me that media people are already predicting the 2012 race. Didn't these same media experts flat out predict a "Rudy/Hillary" battle for 2008?

Posted by: bobnsri | October 5, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

She's not Barack Obama (or Jimmy Carter).

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

All of the attention that Schmidt's comments have attracted is yet more evidence of the fact that Palin is a -- if not the -- prime mover in the Republican party. If she does ultimately run for president (and there are strong arguments to be made on each side)

==

I'll bite.

Name one (1) argument, weak or strong, for having this babbling idiot run for President.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

To quote our gracious host, yet again:

"All of the attention that Schmidt's comments have attracted is yet more evidence of the fact that Palin is a -- if not the -- prime mover in the Republican party. If she does ultimately run for president (and there are strong arguments to be made on each side) ..."

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Of course Sarah is literate. She even writes poetry on Twitter!

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

vigor:

You know what they say when you "ass-u-me"? She had a co-author. So did Obama, but he lied about that:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/andersen_book_blows_ayers_cove.html

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Treating Sarah Palin as a serious politician has to be the most extended practical joke in memory. The only question is who's going to be the first to break down and bust out laughing.

Come on, guys, she's nowhere near professional.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 5, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

P.S. we don't have a letter from the doctor who witnessed Obama's delivery : )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I will assume that she did not write her own book.

She is not literate.

Posted by: vigor | October 5, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

nodebris:

There's no grand "conspiracy theory" needed for Obama to have been born outside the U.S. so that's not such a far stretch for Occum's Razor -- in fact, it is possible that Obama actually believes he was born in Hawaii, although he would want to release his LONG FORM birth certificate if that were the case -- the President of the United States personally planting demolition charges at the WTC and carrying out a "fake" terrorist attack killing over 3,000, not so much.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Of course Barack and Michelle Obama failed in Copenhagen. Their strategy could not possibly succeed. In their academic arrogance, they thought they could sell a product they clearly do not believe in (the United States) and moreover, they could do so by stressing the benefits to the seller (Chicago) and not the buyer (the IOC). And to top it off, they committed the faux pas of talking too much about the sales force (themselves) and not about the product or the buyer.


Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

The Obamas' sales pitch was awful by any definition. Of course. How can our President, who has made his political fortune at the expense of the reputation of the country, sell our country to the IOC with a straight face?


The bottom line is this: this was an Obama epic fail period. They were the sales force, they were the focus of the sales presentation and they were the product. The Obamas were there to sell the Obamas with the Obamas. All Obama all the time.

And the world said, "No thanks."

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Tune in for another exciting episode of "Your Conspiracy Theory is Crazier Than Mine," with your host, jaked!

Posted by: nodebris | October 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

snowbama,
Do you want to explain Bush's overtures to Gadaffi and his praise by conservatives for bringing that "once terrorist state" into the community of nations? But when Obama approaches a terrorist state like Sudan he is selling out America. Well, you can try to play that game but excusing Bush and attacking Obama for the same thing just ain't gonna fly very far.

Posted by: Fate1 | October 5, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

naughtymonkey:

Faked her fifth pregnancy?! Here's a letter from the doctor who witnessed Trig's pre-term delivery:

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/11/03/19/110308SHP.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

Do you also believe that GWB personally planted demolition charges at the WTC?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin unmasked. Video proves she faked her fifth pregnancy. http://bit.ly/dvC9W
Whole lot of "birther" questions comin' if she wants to run for 2012.

Posted by: naughtymonkey | October 5, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

tony_in_Durham_NC:

We are going to Vegas on October 23rd, and we have a cruise coming up in November. As for her birth certificate, do you have any evidence that she was not born in the United States? Did her paternal grandmother state that she was born in Kenya?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Intellectually-challenged sarah can't get elected on her own so you suggest she BULLY the smart one so she can satisfy her lust for political power? Ha! Did I mention pathetic?!

The smart one would never lower himself to this pathetic bullying attempt.

Posted by: Shelbysez | October 5, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration has also offered conciliatory gestures to the genocidal Sudanese leader Omar Hassan al-Bashir, and it has dispatched none other than John Kerry to meet with Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad. This, of course, is not to mention his somewhat more visible overtures to the world's alpha male thugs: Obama has consorted jovially with Hugo Chavez and his counterpart Daniel Ortega, he's bowed down to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, he's agreed to halt plans to install a missile defense system in eastern Europe to placate Vladimir Putin, and he's offered the aforementioned hand to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, despite the latter's expressed unwillingness to even agree to acknowledge the truly important issue of Iran's nuclear weapons in our talks, all quintessential beta male behaviors.


While we've all been seeking a political rationale for the president's actions, his behavior goes beyond the political to something deeper and more personal: like all beta males, Barack Obama simply does not have the temperament to confront tyrannical alpha males around the globe. In this light, even his inability to work with American allies Gordon Brown and Nikolas Sarkozy is a function of his being incapable of facing down the world's tyrants: to cooperate with our allies would require Obama to display alpha male behaviors, including demonstrating courage, something he's simply not capable of doing. The president's beta-male proclivities are arguably putting the safety of his constituents, the citizens of our country, in serious jeopardy.

More Mush from the Wimp

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse


I had no idea how popular a quitter, secessionist and self-absorbed female can be with "conservatives."

You guys don't get out much, do you?

I want to see her birth certificate. Because that's how we play now.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | October 5, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"jakey doesn't realize no one wants to talk to him"

No, he just doesn't care. Do not mistake his frequent posts for an attempt at conversation.

Posted by: nodebris | October 5, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

We're all somewhat familiar with the body language dogs display when they greet each other. The dominant alpha male approaches directly, asserting his authority, while the beta male genuflects, crouches, tucks his tail, and may even end up on his back, exposing his neck in acquiescence, making sure the alpha male knows he has no intention of challenging him. With his "we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist" opening to the world's dictators, the President is exhibiting classic beta male behavior, in essence rolling over on his back and exposing his throat to them to make sure they know he has no intention of challenging their authority.


Of course, the problem is that he's not simply exposing his throat, he's exposing America's collective throat, sending the message that he's a typical beta male intent on submitting to all the alpha male leaders around the world, and damn the consequences. His response to the discovery of Iran's newest, and heretofore "secret," nuclear facility was, as Daniel Henninger (Wall Street Journal, October 1, 2009) points out, to have our State Department offer to start a direct dialogue with the tyrannical Burmese regime.

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

rwassmer:

TWICE!!!

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

jakey doesn't realize no one wants to talk to him. It's sad.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Shelbysez:

"And your idea about sarah trying to strong-arm Romney, the SMART ONE, into being her VP so she can get elected is hilarious! Why have the dumb and incompetent one at the top of the ticket?!?!"

=========================================

It worked for W. and Cheney.

Posted by: rwassmer | October 5, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

And yet you post, and post, and post, and post, and . . . endlessly. Alone, perhaps, and yet without cease.

Posted by: nodebris | October 5, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"This is not a war of choice," Barack Obama told the Veterans of Foreign Wars on Aug. 17. "This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9-11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al-Qaida would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people."

It seems barry's brain, valerie jarrett, disagrees. so surrender it is.

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

PALIN / BECK in 2012

A ticket that is bound to go places.

Posted by: bravetoaster | October 5, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Not "endlessly" nodebris, as you know, if they won't return the courtesy of answering my simple questions ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Shelbysez (here are my previously-asked questions, one last time):

1) You've never heard of premature babies?

2) Why didn't you copy and paste the very next sentence in that Politico article?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:10 PM
===============================================

1) You are pathetic. Go back and read the part where sarah's spokesperson WOULD NOT RESPOND TO THE HILL'S QUESTION ABOUT THE TIMING OF TRACK'S BIRTH. Why would sarah hide that her early baby *was* premature?

2) Obama also released a letter. sarah lied--she told Brian Williams she would release her records, and then bizarrely waited until hours before election day to release only a letter. Isn't sarah into transparency? Oh...I see...only for others...not for herself!

What is sarah so desperate to keep hidden from her base?

Posted by: Shelbysez | October 5, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 3,040,000 viewers (888,000) (1,385,000)
Situation Room—688,000 viewers (141,000) (271,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (139,000) (217,000)
Fast Money—215,000 viewers (55,000) (80,000)
Prime News–267,000 viewers (97,000) (109,000)

Wake up and smell the coffee. Liberalism is being proved to be total idiocy daily. the previous lock on the airwaves is over. Barry, Nancy and Harry, the three horses (asses) of the apocalypse, are doomed.

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Poor jaked, forced to joust endlessly for his lady's honor.

Posted by: nodebris | October 5, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

yes, movement conservative is 'sick.' actually, it's near death.

"If Sarah got an audience with the Pope, would she wear her swimsuit and "Miss Wasilla" sash, thinking it was a Beatification Pageant?"

funny, mike.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

mike, that's right -- WHERE IS TRACK'S LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

For that matter, where is Sarah's? Maybe she was born in Russia, since she could see it from her window.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Shelbysez (here are my previously-asked questions, one last time):

1) You've never heard of premature babies?

2) Why didn't you copy and paste the very next sentence in that Politico article?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

President Barack Obama is not a strong leader. His willingness to cede most of his domestic agenda to Nancy Pelosi has cost him dearly in his first year. And his unwillingness to admit that the world is facing a crossroads of strength through force now, or humiliation and pain through attack in days to come is a demonstration of his paralysis in the most important question of our time. His rejection in Copenhagen was a sting of confirmation--not only of his global powerlessness--but of his ability to use campaigning on his personality as a legitimate tool of negotiation.

The new jobs report out this week shows, for yet another month in a row, that the American people are suffering under near 10% unemployment and 17% under-employment. A proven strategy to grow the economy, and thus help small business owners expand their operation, and thus begin a hiring trend would be to not just keep the tax incentives for small business from disappearing in 2010, but to add to them, and allow the free market to multiply. An expansion of a robust economy is the only answer to serious unemployment. But the President believes that if he just has the right czar, in the right position, then job losses will be controlled. In the President's utopia, employment and the number of jobs available are fixed and "saving them" is better than or, at minimum, equal to "creating them."

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"Why hasn't Sarah released Track's ORIGINAL LONG-FORM birth certificate, with low (preemie) birth weight, to prove she is not now and has never been, a fornicator?

What is she hiding? Enquiring minds want to know."

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 1:04 PM
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*LOL*

Posted by: Shelbysez | October 5, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Shelbysez:

You answer my already-pending question to you first, then I will be more than happy to answer your question.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

JakeD @ 1:00 PM -

sarah calls for Obama to be transparent yet she doesn't have to be?

Voters love hypocrites. NOT!

Posted by: Shelbysez | October 5, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Sarah released Track's ORIGINAL LONG-FORM birth certificate, with low (preemie) birth weight, to prove she is not now and has never been, a fornicator?

What is she hiding? Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

thisnametaken:

No, I don't remember when Hannity introduced Andy Martin as a "journalist." I am willing to debate Gov. Palin's strengths and weaknesses. I am simply not willing to abide by strawman arguments.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

This book is interesting:

Inside Sarah Palin's Radical Church

by Max Blumenthal
September 5, 2009

"In an excerpt from his new book Republican Gomorrah, Max Blumenthal examines the radical beliefs about witchcraft and the "serpent seed" that propelled Sarah Palin into politics."

"While the mainstream press generally overlooked details such as Palin’s apparent belief in witchcraft, the [Conservative Christian] movement’s adulation intensified."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-05/inside-sarahs-church/full/


Sarah Palin Gets Protection From Witches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4HIc-yfgM&feature=fvw

Posted by: Shelbysez | October 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Shelbysez:

Why didn't you copy and paste the very next sentence in that Politico article?

"It's about the same as what Barack Obama put out, a letter from her doctor saying she's in good health."

At least there's no controversy about Gov. Palin being a natural-born citizen ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If Palin runs for president in 2012 she will have the support of the republican and democratic parties. It will be interesting to see which gives more to her campaign.

Posted by: Fate1 | October 5, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

CC - you have again chosen volume over substance. I expect you will get the usual ignorant invective from the loony liberals who live to hate. this will in turn further turn off all the intelligent bloggers who USED to populate this site.

the advertisers will temporarily be satisfied, but the long term prospects for your blog are circling the toilet with the most prolific posters claudia long and chris fox, reveling in the swill.

I hope that gig on Fox works out. but if you want to dance with Dr K, you better come up with more than field hockey mataphors.

you must learn that the print and spoken media are different. Hosting a blog with cutesy little buzzwords is adequete. using up your 20 seconds on TV with baby stories is not. Dr K is a serious journalist. will you be?

Magic Eight ball says "signs point to NO".

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

I agree, I'm painting with a broad brush. But it's still true.

I loved politics and debating when Buckley, Friedman, et al. were around. But now, Palin, Limbaugh, Beck literally make me sick (with disappointment and shame).

Remember when Hannity introduced Andy Martin as a "journalist." At that moment, I realized America and our great country (and democracy) is dead.

To me, it's heartbreakingly sad. Democracy, the greatest experiment ever in human history is being ruined by the likes of Beck, Hannity, etc. I guess folks just don't want to hear (or can't understand) arguments from the conservatives of yore.

(America, I love you, and I'm sorry)

Posted by: thisnametaken | October 5, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"Putting aside your comparison of Gov. Palin to a s.lu.t., what do you think about my idea that she should meet with Gov. Romney and let him know that she will run as an Independent if he doesn't agree with being her VP on the Republican ticket?

Shelbysez:

You've never heard of premature babies?"

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:32 PM
=============================================

Hahahaha! Track premature? Right. sarah told NBC's Brian Williams that she would be releasing her med records but never did. Maybe hiding the unGodly timing of Track's birth was the reason for that?! Track's birthday is oddly not listed on his Wiki page...

Palin releases letter from doctor
November 03, 2008

"She waited until 10:37 on the night before the election, but Sarah Palin has released a medical summary."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1108/Palin_releases_letter_from_doctor.html

And your idea about sarah trying to strong-arm Romney, the SMART ONE, into being her VP so she can get elected is hilarious! Why have the dumb and incompetent one at the top of the ticket?!?! sarah can run as an Indy if she wants to give Obama 4 more years.

Posted by: Shelbysez | October 5, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"... the agency of movement 'conservatism.' [SIC]"?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

katavo or thisnametaken:

Are you still around?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I SENT JOHN MCCAIN MONEY DURING THE CAMPAIGN; I VOTED FOR HIM. HE SELECTED SARAH WHO BECAME MORE POPULAR THAN HE WAS. AFTER THE ELECTION, HE COULDN'T GET HER NAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH ON T.V. SHOWS. HE STARTED HER ON THE ROAD TO FAME (AND FORTUNE)AND SHE MAY HAVE THE LAST LAUGH. CERTAINLY MCCAIN AND SCHMIDT WON'T. THEY'RE TOAST.

Posted by: danshanteal | October 5, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Seattle, and merrilfrank's post to.

'As a democrat that may not be a bad thing, but as an American I can't help but mourn the loss of the Dirksens and the Buckleys and the Eisenhowers and the Scrantons and the Rockefellers, and all the rest of the thoughtful republicans who made a meaningful dialog possible.'

That this flaky gal, who can barely speak a coherent sentence, is taken seriously as a presidential candidate by some, loony as they are, is a sad commentary on the dumbing down of the republican party, through the agency of movement 'conservatism.'

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, yeah, and she can see Russia from her house too (except that TINA FEY said that, not Gov. Palin ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

If Sarah got an audience with the Pope, would she wear her swimsuit and "Miss Wasilla" sash, thinking it was a Beatification Pageant?

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

willandjansdad1:

I have never heard anyone describe Gov. Palin as "Regeanesque" [SIC]. Now that you mention it, though, Jimmy Carter WAS a one-term President too ...

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"who Palin is, what she means to the party"

As a McGovern voter, I hate to have to say this. But, Sister Sarah means about the same to the republican party that Gene McCarthy and George McGovern meant to the democratic party in the 1960's and 70's.

Idealistic instead of realistic. Not a whole lot of practical ideas at the national and international level, at a time when the issues of war and peace take center stage.

Sister Sarah would be lucky to match McGovern's record, of losing 49 out of 50 states in a national election.

As a democrat that may not be a bad thing, but as an American I can't help but mourn the loss of the Dirksens and the Buckleys and the Eisenhowers and the Scrantons and the Rockefellers, and all the rest of the thoughtful republicans who made a meaningful dialog possible.

What ever happened to the concept of the "loyal opposition"?

Posted by: seattle_wa | October 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

As they say in Alaska, the first baby can come any time. After that, they usually take 9 months.

Track is probably in the Guinness Book of World Records as the heathiest 5-week-premature baby ever conceived on a honeymoon. That, or his parents were just two of the millions of young fornicators in this world.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

...criticism of the former governor "reminds me of the things some Republicans said about Reagan in 1977."

Stop the presses, call the Pope. She is now described as "Regeanesque"...Can beatification be far behind?

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | October 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's Revenge?

Black ops-ters use a TV news producer as their "patsy" to get Letterman to "confess?"

See http://Poynter.org, "TV and Radio" section, re:

DAVID LETTERMAN THE REAL TARGET -- OF A POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED CELEBRITY TAKE-DOWN?

...from some of the same folks who bring America THIS?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"75% percent of high school kids from OK don't know the name of the first president. "

Major threadjack here.

Has anyone seen the 538.com series on Strategic Vision polling? (the one who conducted the OK poll)

Pointing out that there is strong evidence that they are literally making up data.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/strategic%20vision

Read from the bottom up

Posted by: DDAWD | October 5, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

katavo:

Putting aside your comparison of Gov. Palin to a s.lu.t., what do you think about my idea that she should meet with Gov. Romney and let him know that she will run as an Independent if he doesn't agree with being her VP on the Republican ticket?

Shelbysez:

You've never heard of premature babies?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Do you still supports ineffective abstinence education programs even after your daughter gets knocked up?"

Posted by: MerrillFrank | October 5, 2009 12:09 PM
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Let's not forget, Bristol was just following her mother's example. Abstinence didn't work for sarah either:

From an article by THE HILL on the book, Trailblazer:

“Lorenzo Benet, an assistant editor at People magazine, tries to capitalize on Palin’s star power in his latest book, Trailblazer: An Intimate Biography of Sarah Palin.

But even with all of his focus on Palin’s values, Benet practically glosses over what was apparently a shotgun wedding. The Palins eloped on Aug. 29, 1988, to the surprise of their parents and friends. Their firstborn, Track, was delivered almost exactly eight months later, on April 20, 1989.

When contacted by The Hill, Bill McAllister, a spokesman for Palin, said only: “I think it’s part of the public record that the governor and her husband eloped.” He declined to comment on the timing of Track’s birth.”

http://thehill.com/bookshelf/20791-tracing-palins-trailblazing-path

Posted by: Shelbysez | October 5, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza:

I hope you feel better from your cold(s).

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin reminds me of Madonna in certain ways. Madonna has made billions of dollars without really having any talent in the field where she made those dollars. She can't sing, she even took lessons and couldn't sing.

Now I admire her for being able to do that. I won't buy her music, I won't watch her videos - she's boring and uninteresting. But I can still respect her earning ability.

It seems to me that Sarah Palin is following the Madonna Paradigm. Give a large audience a way to identify with some market-driven crap that others say they admire.

Good for you Sarah, earn those dollars.

Of course the idiots you're pandering to are still idiots.

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

thisnametaken:

You are painting with a broad brush. I don't believe in ghosts, nor do I think it's OK our schoo [SIC] children don't know the name of the first president. I also bought Gov. Palin's book.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I SENT JOHN MCCAIN MONEY DURING THE CAMPAIGN; I VOTED FOR HIM. HE SELECTED SARAH WHO BECAME MORE POPULAR THAN HE WAS. AFTER THE ELECTION, HE COULDN'T GET HER NAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH ON T.V. SHOWS. HE STARTED HER ON THE ROAD TO FAME (AND FORTUNE)AND SHE MAY HAVE THE LAST LAUGH. CERTAINLY MCCAIN AND SCHMIDT WON'T. THEY'RE TOAST.

Posted by: danshanteal | October 5, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Keep up the great work Sarah. You inspire nothing but unity everywhere you go.

Signed,

Democratic National Committee

Posted by: bretb | October 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Of course her book is #1, my point is that people are much dumber now than, say, 20 years ago.

48% of Americans believe in ghosts. 75% percent of high school kids from OK don't know the name of the first president.

These are the people buying Palin's book.

Posted by: thisnametaken | October 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

successionist? Is that someone who is interested in succeeding or someone who is interested in succession.

Incidentally, very interesting listening on C-SPAN today. It's Supremes week.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

msmith2 and Bondosan:

"Sarah Palin is not interested in running for president."

Are those the new talking points? Was she also "not interested" in running for vice-president? Because I saw her in person, and she really fooled me about that. More than any other recent candidate for vice-president, this one KNEW the chances of her assuming the duties of the Office of President were high. I reject your premise that she's not interested.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Bangkokian:

I thought that she was a brunette?

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Maybe during her book tour she will drop trow and let us independatly confirm it.

Posted by: scon101 | October 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin running for Prez is wishful thinking on the part of the political bloviators. They *want* her to run so they can fill up hours and hours of cable talk shows with "supporters say this, detractors say that." Sarah Palin doesn't really want to be President, she just wants all the attention that running for president brings. She can get all that attention, plus a whole lot of money, plus not having to answer any serious questions about policy, doing what she's doing right now: clipping Asian businessmen for $300K for speeches, posting on Facebook and tweeting away.

Posted by: msmith2 | October 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Questions for Palin and her successionist ghostwriter ought to answer.

Why did you attend 5 Colleges in 6 Years resulting in a Broadcasting Degree? What other educational attainment can you account for or are you autodidactic? What do you read every day? You have had over a year since your Katie Couric interview to answer.

As mayor of Wasilla and as Governor why did you continue to charge rape victims for their rape kits? Why does Alaska have some of the highest rates of rape and incest in the U.S?

Why were you involved with the secessionist treasonist Alaskan Independence Party and attended their convention?

Why do you pal around with a terrorist of the same party who was murdered in 1993 during “a plastic explosives sale gone bad.” Your husband Todd Palin joined the same party two years later. Neither you nor Todd were 9 years old at the time.

Why did it occur to you not to obtain a passport. What knowledge did you gather from traveling outside U.S from your trade mission and a 2007 visit to troops in Germany. Can you really see Russia from outside window?

Do you still supports ineffective abstinence education programs even after your daughter gets knocked up?

Did Jesus really saddle up a dinosaur and ride it 6000 years ago?

Why do you decry "Socialism" when it comes to supporting a National Health Plan public option in order to lift burden off of small and mid-size businesses. While supporting Alaska National Fund payouts of roughly $1000 per year while in 2008 adding $1200 energy rebate?

Posted by: MerrillFrank | October 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Brooklyn: That's what I thought would happen in 2008, but the wingnuts split the base and McCain ended up the winner. He's the only candidate I can remember who swung AWAY from the center after securing the nomination. He had to do that (including picking Sarah) in order to pump the base back up.

My guess is that in 2012, no such moderate will survive. It will take a second defeat for the GOP to realize it needs a real moderate to win in 2016.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It would be instructive and different to actually know something about a candidate before we elect them. Democrats are satisfied simply knowing a candidates view of abortion to decide. Repubs are more interested in across the board experience and general values.

I think we all now know what happens when an inexperienced stuffed shirt with skills only in prompter mechanics gets elected.

I hope that if she is another one of those, she falls by the wayside, but it takes time to know. About six months in office.

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I guess Chris's hits and comments are down, so...time for another Sarah Palin piece!

(The Dan Froomkin lesson: keep your numbers up or die).

Sarah Palin is not interested in running for president. She and Todd have had a taste of the good life and they want MORE.

However, when the book royalties start to dry up and the overseas speaking engagements become harder to book, I could see her jumping in the race just to increase her cash flow opportunities.

If she does, she will win no caucuses and no primaries. And Chris knows this, which is why I find his entire post suspect.

Posted by: Bondosan | October 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

ceefer666:

Did I scare you off by simply asking for a "link" re: your malicious lie?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Still #1 Best-Selling Book from over the weekend:

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Rogue-American-Sarah-Palin/dp/0061939897

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

". . . Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty etc -- who would become the rallying point for the anti-Palin forces."

OMG, who are you kidding? Pawlenty IS Palin in suit and tie.

The only REAL difference between the two is that Palin has bigger cajones than Pawlenty.

DAStubbs
Minneapolis

Posted by: dastubbs | October 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

Did you get a "good laugh" yet?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

There are going to be so many wingnuts in the 2012 Republican primaries that they will collectively manage to hit new lows in pandering to the right wing. Even Pawlenty, who is generally regarded as moderate, has begun sounding like Governor Rick "Good Hair" Perry of Texas.

It will be next to impossible for the nominee to veer back toward the center in time for the general election.

Posted by: BrooklynDemocrat | October 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

With Palin, what you see is exactly what you get.

With Obama, no one knows exactly what we got. community organizer, lawyer, friend of Jeremiah Wright - some is known. But beyond that, Obama seems to be a media-creation, whose own "autobiography" is full of errors and is partially fiction, and whose resume, from college all the way to IL Senate, is off-limits to the public.

Americans will prefer the devil-they-know.

Posted by: pgr88 | October 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Bangkokian:

I thought that she was a brunette?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

ceefer666:

Mr. Letterman has admitted to shagging Holly Hester and Stephanie Burkett (not to mention the mother of his son born out of wedlock ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Nobody wants to say it but the ONLY reason why anybody is interested in Palin is because of her look, otherwise she is just another sterotypical blonde with no brain.

Posted by: Bangkokian | October 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"You betcha" "Wink" "Wink" "You betcha" "Wink" "Wink" "You betcha" "Wink" "Wink" "You betcha" "Wink" "Wink" "You betcha" "Wink" "Wink" "You betcha" "Wink" "Wink" "You betcha" "Wink" "Wink" "You betcha" "Wink" "Wink"

Posted by: scon101 | October 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

CC has made it clear that he loves nothing more than a good political cage match.

Unfortunately for him, by early 2011 it will be clear to our dear Sarah that she has no chance. If she runs, it will be for the publicity, and she will be very careful not to get into campaign debt, so as not to put that book money at risk. If there is a Republican primary battle, it will not include Sarah or "anti-Sarah forces."

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

snowbama:

You would think, if she was so "un-electable" as they say, the better course would be to simply ignore her ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

katavo:

That probably will happen, which is why Mr. Cillizza says this "could turn the 2012 presidential nominating fight into one of the most memorable in history". I think that she should meet with Mitt and let him know that she will run as an Independent if he doesn't agree with being her VP choice.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Even if all the things said by the grousing misanthropes on this blog about governor palin are accurate, we have already demonstrated that the voters are willing to let such a person give it a try.

Of course ms palin at least has some experience, has a known set of valued, doesn't hate America and actually governs and passes laws, so there are some differences.

Posted by: snowbama | October 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse


John Coale, a Democrat and personal friend to the governor, insisted that Schmidt "couldn't stand Sarah from day one" and alleged that Schmidt and "his people" had "screwed up the ABC and CBS interviews."

They screwed up the interview by sending a know-nothing candidate to talk to a couple of people who know how to ask questions.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps you are confusing Mrs. Palin with Mr. Letterman who has admitted to being a HO?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I remember enjoying the battle between the Obama and Hillary supporters during the democratic primaries. Lots of fun watching the idiots jump up and down, frothing at the mouth, peeing on each other if they had the chance.

Now I'm looking forward to the same thing happening between Palin and whichever of the republicans manages to survive the early primaries to challenge her.

Only this time the christian business will come into it, with each side accusing each other of more and worse satanic influences, consorting with witches, blah blah.
Imagine Romney, clearly the most talented executive of the lot, being her competition. Do you think the southern baptists are going to let a Mormon run the republican party?

Now that is going to be fun to watch.

Posted by: katavo | October 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

ceefer66:

Link please.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

elizh1:

Yes, the copy editing and fact checking is going on RIGHT NOW. Get up to speed and then we can talk:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27671.html

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

lindalovejones:

She's a "Bimbo" even if Todd Palin is the only man she's ever slept with?! What's your definition of "Bimbo"?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse
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She admitted to also sleeping with her husband's best friend. That makes her a ho'.

Posted by: ceefer66 | October 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Look, people, I'm not even defending Gov. Palin at the moment so much as our GRACIOUS HOST:

"All of the attention that Schmidt's comments have attracted is yet more evidence of the fact that Palin is a -- if not the -- prime mover in the Republican party. If she does ultimately run for president (and there are strong arguments to be made on each side), it's almost certain the the race would boil down to Palin and a single candidate -- former Gov. Mitt Romney (Mass.), Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, etc. -- who would become the rallying point for the anti-Palin forces."

It is a FACT that there are "strong arguments to be made on each side". I thought that you people were the ones always pointing out that WE conservatives deny reality?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Book is due in stores Nov. 17. "The Governor will write about all of this in her book." Main question in my mind: on that time table, is there going to be proof reading? Not to mention fact checking.

Posted by: elizh1 | October 5, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

The thought that someone like Palin could actually be considered presidential material really disheartens me. It's the direct result of the "dumbing down" of our society.

Our country will never be great again. Too many people are just too stupid.

And yes, it's scary. Karl Rove can get a ham sandwich elected. So it's possible.

I actually listened to conservatives like Buckley, Friedman, Goldwater. But now, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh have enough "dumbed down" listeners to bring this country to its knees. They will and they are.

Posted by: thisnametaken | October 5, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

bim·bo (bmb)
n. pl. bim·bos
1. Slang A woman regarded as vacuous or as having an exaggerated interest in her sexual appeal.

No one said she was a s.lu.t.

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

JohnDinHouston:

I was simply asked for ONE argument, but I could keep going if you want?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see Obama even wanting a second term. I think he was as surprised as anyone to best Hillary, and I believe that he is in this rush to accomplish things because he and Michelle want to take their kids out of the Washington pressure cooker and back to some kind of normal life in 2012. That is why Hillary is doing her very best job as Secretary of State, thus positioning herself as the best Democratic (or any) candidate for the next President. And she would wipe the floor with Palin, if the Republican guys don't do it first in their debates. I do not see Republicans coming back until 2016 at the earliest, and then with someone totally off today's political radar.

Posted by: smgess | October 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

When will Republicans learn that book sales and radio listeners don't translate into a reasonable strategy for campaigning, let alone governance?

To be fair, a lot of them already know, which is one of many reasons why she is so divisive. But she loves the drama, and doesn't care how it might cost the Republican party. Y'know, books to sell.

Posted by: kszimmerman | October 5, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

smgess:

It's a "strong" argument for real Americans, that's what I meant to say.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

How wonderfully astute of you, Jake. Yes, she's not Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama. Brilliant.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

lindalovejones:

She's a "Bimbo" even if Todd Palin is the only man she's ever slept with?! What's your definition of "Bimbo"?

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Palin is no Reagan. He actually served his full two terms, signed California's abortion bill into law to protect women, was a proponent of civil rights, and signed a tax hike into law to balance California's budget. Which of those would Sarah support? Palin's chief talent seems to be promoting Sarah Palin. She cares not one whit for her children, her state, our country, nor anyone who does not worship at the feet of Sarah Palin. And not being Obama or Carter makes me even more inclined to vote against her. These two men are examples of people who care about more than just Americans. They realize that our God is also the Creator of all men, even those we call enemies, and that war is never the answer. I applaud them both for trying to live their Christianity in this world.

Posted by: smgess | October 5, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I finally figured out that her earrings are miniature replicas of the State of Alaska FWIW.

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I obviously posted this in the wrong thread:

Typical Palin "reader."

http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/po/

Posted by: mikeinmidIand | October 5, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

She's a Bimbo! Geez-us! The woman came from Alaska, where females are outnumbered by males who have good job opportunities in Alaska, but no women.

Sure, she's cute, she's funny, she's a Bimbo!


Posted by: lindalovejones | October 5, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin for president? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
*gasp*
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Posted by: ChuckFi | October 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"If she does ultimately run for president (and there are strong arguments to be made on each side), it's almost certain the the race would boil down to Palin and a single candidate".
I wouldn't be so dismissive of the possibility that she will self-destruct as a candidate, with her poll numbers for the general election looking so terrible that her primary supporters relunctantly desert her. She's stunningly unqualified in terms of knowledge, work ethic, integrity, collegiality, and her hyper combative style (just what America needs now, more polarization and enemies lists!).

Posted by: newageblues | October 5, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

That may sound like TWO strong arguments, but it is actually only one. There's plenty more where that came from ...

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

One 'strong argument' in favor of Sarah Palin:

She's not Barack Obama (or Jimmy Carter ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"If she does ultimately run for president (and there are strong arguments to be made on each side)"

LOL, CC. Name one 'strong argument' in favor of Palin. Please. I need a good laugh.

She just doesn't have the attentiion span, hon.

Posted by: drindl | October 5, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

With unemployment clearly heading up past 10% and with no visibility on when it comes down enough to not be a massive political problem for the president's re-election campaign in 2012, I hold out hope that this idiot actually thinks she's presidential material......run Sarah run!!!

Posted by: zeppelin003 | October 5, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

QUOTE: "The Governor will write about all of this in her book."

CORRECTION: That should be "former governor." Or, equally accurate, "community organizer."

Posted by: djjd | October 5, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Bring it on!

Posted by: JakeD | October 5, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

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