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Pawlenty Hammers Obama on Missile Defense Decision

Update, 9:30 p.m.: Democratic National Committee spokesman Hari Sevugan has hit back at Pawlenty following his remarks. "It looks like Tim Pawlenty isn't even going to offer the pretense of being anything but an extreme right wing radical anymore," said Sevugan.

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Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) will raise the specter of appeasement in regards President Barack Obama's decision earlier this week to abandon a missile defense system in Europe, according to excerpts of remarks he will deliver at tonight's Value Voters Summit obtained by the Fix.

"The lessons of history are clear: Appeasement and weakness did not stop the Nazis, did not stop the Soviets, and did not stop the terrorists before 9/11," Pawlenty plans to say. "We must stand strong with allies like Israel and eastern Europe in the face of growing challenges to our national security."

Obama's decision to suspend the program has drawn a huge reaction -- both domestically and internationally. Arizona Sen. John McCain, the party's 2008 presidential nominee, has strongly condemned the decision, as has House Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio).

It's no secret that Pawlenty has aspirations to run for president and, as a two term-governor, his resume is thin on foreign policy. Engaging the president on an issue near and dear to the heart of the Republican base is an attempt by Pawlenty to show those voters that he is more than up to the task of battling Obama on foreign affairs if he is the nominee.

It's an interesting (and aggressive) gambit -- let's see how it plays over the weekend.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 18, 2009; 5:53 PM ET
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last word on this debate belongs to whocares666..

From the AP - Russia said Saturday it will scrap a plan to deploy missiles near Poland since Washington has dumped a planned missile shield in Eastern Europe. It also harshly criticized Iran's president for new comments denying the Holocaust.

Looks like quid pro quo in response for Obama being pro active.

Pawlenty looks plenty foulish.

Another heroic effort by the troll from the party of NO to look like they know foreign policy.

Posted by: ruraledcomm | September 21, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Im a Dem but callin TPaw a radical seems like gobbledy-gook to me

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You're not a Democrat. You can't even spell.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Im a Dem but callin TPaw a radical seems like gobbledy-gook to me

Posted by: juster1 | September 21, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

You can probably write Pawlenty off as a presidential candidate. Having some slight possibility of establishing his bona fides as a centrist he came to Ohio and went ll out to pander to the farthest right birthers and baggers and twenty percenters.

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I hope to *shout*

Not to mention the fact that the moment he appears on TV, millions of hands twitch as one toward the remote

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 20, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

1. You made a comment that the Czechs and Poles don't want our bases- I cited an article from a reputable source citing their former leaders including Lech Walesa who feels you no nothing about which you speak. You cited your hunch.

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It would have helped if you had read your own post with a more critical eye. It quotes a guy who bet his political fortunes on making the deal with Bush and who is now crestfallen that it's been cancelled. This is a man with a personal interest in seeing it happen (who cares if it WORKS?). If you lack the intelligence to notice things like that, entertain the possibility that you are out of your league in this forum. You are.

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"2. Your antisemetic diatribe about Israel (by the way- I bet you agree with Ahmadinejad on the Holocaust)ignores the fact that I gave you a true distinction between the one nonIslamic country in the middle east whose demise was promised by the Iranians making the bombs from which these bases were supposed to protect the world- no missiles aimed at Damascus you antisemetic Mensa wannabe."

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(*chuckle*) "there you go again."

Sorry but criticism of the brutal policies of the *Israeli government* is distinguishable from "hatred of Jews." That's the same BS misdirection that the settlers are always trotting out.

As for Holocaust denial, go suck a dog's rear end. I referred to it in my post, and I had relatives go up those chimneys. You can go to hell now.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 20, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the Great Cannoli seeks to enlighten all of us. I'm sure the Czechs and Poles would feel so much safer with a system that doesn't work. But hey, at least it irritates the Russians. Missiles with benefits.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | September 20, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Ny Times 9/20/09-
"As much as they may prefer to deal with Mr. Obama instead of his predecessor, George W. Bush, foreign leaders have not gone out of their way to give him what he has sought.

European allies still refuse to send significantly more troops to Afghanistan. The Saudis basically ignored Mr. Obama’s request for concessions to Israel, while Israel rebuffed his demand to stop settlement expansion. North Korea defied him by testing a nuclear weapon. Japan elected a party less friendly to the United States. Cuba has done little to liberalize in response to modest relaxation of sanctions. India and China are resisting a climate change deal. And Russia rejected new sanctions against Iran’s nuclear program even as Mr. Obama heads into talks with Tehran."

Sounds kind of inept eh?

We all saw Obama giving those massively attended speeches in Europe while running- He apparently wants to be the most popular and most loved man in the world- while putting his interests before our own.

Posted by: thecannula | September 20, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

You can probably write Pawlenty off as a presidential candidate. Having some slight possibility of establishing his bona fides as a centrist he came to Ohio and went ll out to pander to the farthest right birthers and baggers and twenty percenters.

You'd think he might have learned from Guilianni and his mindless pursuit of the far right, and, since he hasn't, you might as well expect him to repeat Rudi's tactics with Rudi's results.

And his speech? Full of things only the unthinking loyal legion of the lost twenty per cent could want to hear.

But 'tis a fine thing that Minnesota fat head has chosen his course. Don't nobody tell him about the precipice his canoe is headed for. Let be just another surprise, like I 35 dropping in the Mississippi.

Posted by: ceflynline | September 20, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

You might as well talk to a sparrow. You get the same concentration and reason. That stooge is here to provoke only. It trades in hate and spite and the joy of a single person finally paying attention where no one irl will. No wonder why. Ironically, it calls others trolls

trolls trolls trolls. The sign of an immature mind and adolescent emotionalism.

Posted by: snowbama | September 20, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Mineral Boy- You are still spewing nonsense well into the AM-

1. You made a comment that the Czechs and Poles don't want our bases- I cited an article from a reputable source citing their former leaders including Lech Walesa who feels you no nothing about which you speak. You cited your hunch.

2. Your antisemetic diatribe about Israel (by the way- I bet you agree with Ahmadinejad on the Holocaust)ignores the fact that I gave you a true distinction between the one nonIslamic country in the middle east whose demise was promised by the Iranians making the bombs from which these bases were supposed to protect the world- no missiles aimed at Damascus you antisemetic Mensa wannabe.

Posted by: thecannula | September 20, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Mineral Boy- You are still spewing nonsense well into the AM-

1. You made a comment the the Czechs and Poles don't want our bases- I cited an article from a reputable source citing their former leaders including Lech Walesa who feels you no nothing about which you speak. You cited your hunch.

2. Your antisemetic diatribe about Israel (by the way- I bet you agree with Ahmadinejad on the Holocaust)ignores the fact that I gave you a true distinction between the one nonIslamic country in the middle east who demise was promised by the Iranians making the bombs from which these bases were supposed to protect the world- no missiles aimed at Damascus you antisemetic Mensa wannabe.

Posted by: thecannula | September 20, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm with hefty -- is tpaw doing any governing back in MN?

The residents there do sound kinda happy to have Tim collecting a MN paycheck but exclusively applying his awesome brain power to Uncle Joe Stalin and the Ruskies.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | September 20, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Anything you can do, I can do better.
I can do anything Better than you.

No, you can't. Yes, I can.
No, you can't. Yes, I can.
No, you can't. Yes, I can, Yes, I can!

Etc.

Posted by: nodebris | September 20, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

I have observed that chris fox is always grouchy, angry and emotional after a failed Saturday night of hunting. This peevish adolescent did not listen to it's mother. Simple.

Don't put things in your mouth when you don't know where they've been.

Posted by: snowbama | September 20, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Poor chrissuxfox. Still mad that her favorite hobby had the name purloined by repub protesters.

After hours of interesting exchAnge, the hate monger arrives to spread miasma. All it knows.

Cc caN you re ban this loon. See the slime?

Posted by: snowbama | September 20, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

sounds like o/~ somebody o/~ just might be going to ECT tomorrow morning ...

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 20, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

It would be incorrect to attribute cranial activity to that misanthropic disgusting bird brain. He is a used up projectile orafice.

Posted by: snowbama | September 20, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

You claim the Poles and Czechs don't want our bases- I suppose you have a source somewhere on your anatomy- and I respond with an article written by AP writers, saying they do!

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OK now when your breathing returns to normal go read what you pasted. A little more carefully this time. Hint: look who is being quoted.

I mean, come on. Were you home-schooled or something?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 20, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

On the moral strength of someone else's atrocity Israel stole land from Palestine in 1948. And on the strength of that atrocity the UN was disinclined to kick them out.

OK, that was now three generations ago and we're stuck with them there, but they've been like the hillbilly family that moves into your 'hood and puts M80s in mailboxes and poisons your dog. They continue to steal land, and the military defends their official sanctioned squatter movement.

Get back to me about giving a crap for rotten little Israel when the settler movement is in prison.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 20, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

So they want Israel annihilated. They have good cause to.

Why should we care? Met many Israelis?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 20, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Why should we need a "base of operations" (JACKJACKJACKJACK) in the Middle East?

You didn't answer my question.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 20, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Gold/Tanz for brains- Iran didn't promise the annihilation of Syria- Did they ?- No, they promised the annihilation of I-S-R-A-E-L- see the difference?

You claim the Poles and Czechs don't want our bases- I suppose you have a source somewhere on your anatomy- and I respond with an article written by AP writers, saying they do!

And you continue with that old troll stuff- what should we call you? Oh yeah, I have it-

WRONG

Posted by: thecannula | September 20, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

In Minnesota, we have to be ever vigilant against the missile attacks from our arch enemy, those blood-thirsty Canadians. HEY TIM! You're the Governor of Minnesota! Get back to work! Talk about "cut and run". You gutted our state budget and now, this is all you think about?

Posted by: Hefty | September 19, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mineral Brain, when you need a base of operation in the Middle East in the future- go ask the Syrian ophthalmologist to allow us entry- moron.

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Miami Herald 9-17-09

Eastern Europe grumbles about downgrade in US ties

(Hey, Guess what? Mineral Brain -gold/tanz- is wrong again!)

Obama scraps controversial long-range missile defense shield
BY KAREL JANICEK AND WILLIAM J. KOLE
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITERS
PRAGUE -- Scuttling a missile defense shield in the Czech Republic and Poland helps smooth relations between the U.S. and Russia. But at what price?

Some of America's staunchest allies are the East Europeans - and on Thursday, they expressed dismay at what many see as a slight after decades of their support for the U.S.

Among them were some famous names, including Lech Walesa, the former Solidarity leader and Polish ex-president. "I can see what kind of policy the Obama administration is pursuing toward this part of Europe," he said ruefully, adding: "The way we are being approached needs to change."

For most of the past decade, cozy relations with Washington were practically a given across the "new Europe." George W. Bush famously courted the region after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and leaned on it for troops to fight alongside U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Barack Obama took office undecided about Bush's plan to base 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and sophisticated radar in the Czech Republic - a system designed to shoot down long-range missiles that might be fired from Iran or elsewhere in the Middle East. Building had not started in either country.

The Czech installation was planned for the Brdy military installation 55 miles (90 kilometers) southwest of Prague. The Polish site was to be at a former military air base near the town of Redzikowo, about 115 miles from Russia's westernmost edge.

Obama has been reaching out to Russia, which had expressed outrage at the notion of missiles being pointed in its direction from a region that was firmly in the Soviet orbit just 20 years ago.

On Thursday, Obama announced he was shifting the plan from Eastern Europe to other locations. He and other administration officials said they have concluded that Iran's medium- and short-range missiles pose a greater threat and require more flexible technology.

Obama's decision got a positive reception in Russia, hailed by President Dmitry Medvedev as a "responsible move."

Officially, Czech leaders said they understood the rationale for abandoning the shield, and they expressed confidence that the country would remain secure.

But some expressed dismay at the reversal.

Former Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose government signed treaties with the Bush administration to build the radar system - and took a lot of heat from Czechs who feared it would make their country a terrorist target - went on Czech radio to vent his frustrations.

"The Americans are not interested in this territory as they were before," he said. "It's bad news for the Czech Republic."

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

hey cannulla please explain why we Americans should care any more about Israel than about, oh, Syria. Two Middle Eastern countries, both rotten with extremist religion, both making trouble. Who gives a damn about that nasty little country? I sure don't.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

And to Freethotlib. Im an Alaskan, there is no 'explosion' of meth labs up THIS way

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Yes, there is. Go out in the boonies and it smells like nail polish.

Alaska is overrun with transplanted Okies, social conservative losers, and bumpkins do meth. Go read the stats.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Of all the bloody ...

Just read this moronic posts. You GOP-analingusing trolls have your undies in a bundle because your country isn't hated, feared and despised ENOUGH.

WHAT IS THE VIRTUE OF BEING A GLOBAL PARIAH?!?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear another drudge troll day.

You GOP trolls are as bad as Pawlenty. You trot out your hysteria and your synthetic outrage without bothering to check the facts.

(1) Obama is following the recommendations of some of the most hawkish leaders of the military. Elected Republicans are wetting their pants over nothing, just trying to get attention, just like the GOP troll here.

(2) Poland and the Czech Republic don't want the missile shield crap. They know it won't work and they don't want to be part of a proxy confrontation with the Soviet Union.

(3) I thought you cretins liked to boast that "Reagan ended the Cold War" but now you're talking like we're still in the days of MAD. Make up your alleged minds.

I am so disgusted with the sick dying vestige of the Republican Party.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Barry, is that you. Say hi to Michelle and the kids.

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse


jack824 posted:

Russia btw just announced it is standing down its missiles along the border.

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So what! No one seriously thought Russia was being anything but petulant. No launch was imminent or conceivable under the WORST conditions.

And Russia CANNOT AFFORD to maintain their current stockpile! Thats the MAIN point in renegotiation of START2, the cold war is over and Russia cannot afford to maintain the nuclear stockpile they HAVE!

We have gained NOTHING we wouldn't have gotten anyway. But we punked our allies. We will pay for that one you can be sure of that.

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And to Freethotlib. Im an Alaskan, there is no 'explosion' of meth labs up THIS way knuckle head. Thats the trailer park you live in down in California your thinking about buddy. People up here smoke weed and drink. California transplants like yourself bring the rest of the crap up here.

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To everyone else...sorry about the double post earlier. Not only do I have fat fingers I can be a computer tard sometimes. Guess I thought I was previewing. I dunno but sorry I hate that kind of thing.

Posted by: Homunculus | September 19, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I agree that appeasement does not work. However, this time it is the USA that is the villan not Germany or Japan. The new Nazis are the Americans. From the police state at home, to the invasions of countries abroad, the USA is the new Nazi Germany. The Russians, Argentinians, the Chinese, Iran, and North Korea better stand up now to the new Nazis, or else risk losing their freedom. They cannot afford to apease the USA. United they can beat the so called "only world super power" because the Americans don't have balls to last in a sustained fight. They proved this in VietNam. The only chance for lasting world peace, and financial equity for all of the world citizens, is to destroy the USA and the evil profit system that runs it!

Posted by: GWrigley1 | September 19, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"Value Voter is sort of like Value City... you buy your votes for less there cause the quality is a little lower.

Posted by: margaretmeyers "

This board has become really witty over the last several weeks. I love it!

Posted by: DDAWD | September 19, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

From the NY Times "The Lede Blog" 9/18/09

Germany’s foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, has condemned Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s remarks on Friday, in which he called the Holocaust “an unprovable and mythical claim.” According to a report from Reuters, Mr. Steinmeier said:

Today’s statements by the Iranian President are unacceptable. With his intolerable tirades he is a disgrace to his country. This sheer anti-Semitism demands our collective condemnation. We will continue to confront it decisively in the future.
Reuters noted: “Denying the Holocaust — carried out by Nazi Germany in World War Two — is a crime in Germany, punishable by up to five years in prison.”

WHOCARES (666) ABOUT FACTS RIGHT? Russian/German/Ethel Merman- who cares?

From "AP" (Does that stand for Another Pathetic?)- Russia announces Barack Obama is the new most popular man in Russia-

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

These right wing fools think Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were right. We will see your ideas at the ballot box.

But I have formulated a case, why China being our banker is really bad.


Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Tim needs to focus on the missiles aimed at us from the Reagan, Bush, Bush disasters. Under those GOP bright lights, we ignored illegal immigration, the growth of gangs in the US, the explosion of Meth labs in the US (notably in Alaska where Sarah ran things) and the growth of drug gangs in Mexico which are now invading the US. He also needs to focus on bringing jobs BACK to the US rather than sending missiles to countries that have not yet voted to say they WANT them. We need leaders -- NOT POSERS!!

Posted by: Freethotlib | September 19, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Great post, Homunculus. I'm trying to figure out if Obama is "bumbling", as you say, or just not on our side.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

And Pawlenty is just the guy I'd want to go to for foreign policy advice. Russia btw just announced it is standing down its missiles along the border.

Posted by: jack824 | September 19, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Seriously Chris? "An attempt by Pawlenty to show those voters that he is more than up to the task of battling Obama on foreign affairs?"


Are you serious? Anyone is more than up to the task over Obama when it comes to foreign affairs. This guy is a diplomatic imbecile, he has zero statescraft ability. So far an absolute embarrassment for America.


Remember the snub to our closest ally? Anyone remember the sit down over the flag draped ceremony, or the cd's, or the giveback of a bust of Churchill that was a gift from England after 9/11? Anyone remember that? They didn't even have a gift ready they ran down to the gift shop attached to the White house!


Or Obamas first diplomatic outreach to foreign leaders, he calls Pakistan but doesn't do the same for India. That went over well. Or his appointment to his transition team of Sonal Shah whom the Pakistanis say has ties with a violent Hindu Nationalist Party in India, responsible for a rampage in Gujarat that killed Muslims and Christians. Pakistanis didnt like that. Or remember Obama proclaiming he would help solve the Kashmir problem, except he never asked the Indians if they wanted help, and they didnt, very publicly. Twice. Remember that?


How about when when Medvedev rejected Obama's March letter promoting linking Russian help with Iran and the Eastern European missile defense system? Anyone remember that? How about the current scrapping of the European missile defense system and the Russians saying "thats nice" and "still no linkage". Combine that with scrapping the system one week before nuclear negotiations with Iran from a position of weakness!


This bumbling President of ours has evaporated ANY trust by stabbing our allies in the back, and on the anniversary of their invasion and subjugation by Russia! Who can deny the folly, or the threat posed by the lack of trust our allies will place in us from now on.


Who will trust us now? And why should they? Obama is no statesman he's just pretending, and poorly.

Posted by: Homunculus | September 19, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

An attempt by Pawlenty to show those voters that he is more than up to the task of battling Obama on foreign affairs?


Are you serious? Anyone is more than up to the task over Obama when it comes to foreign affairs. This guy is a diplomatic imbecile, he has zero statescraft ability. So far an embarrassment for America.


Remember the snub to our closest ally? Anyone remember the sit down over the flag draped ceremony, or the cd's, or the giveback of a bust of Churchill that was a gift from England after 9/11? Anyone remember that? They didn't even have a gift ready they ran down to the gift shop attached to the White house.


Or Obamas first diplomatic outreach to foreign leaders, he calls Pakistan but doesn't do the same for India. That went over well. Or his appointment to his transition team of Sonal Shah whom the Pakistanis say has ties with a violent Hindu Nationalist Party in India, responsible for a rampage in Gujarat that killed Muslims and Christians. Pakistanis didn't like that. Or remember Obama proclaiming he would help solve the Kashmir problem, except he never asked the Indians if they wanted help and they said but out very publicly. Twice. Remember that? Never made the mainstream news in America so probably NOT.


How about when when Medvedev rejected Obama's March letter promoting linking Russian help with Iran and the Eastern European missile defense system? Anyone remember that? How about the current scrapping of the European missile defense system and the Russians saying "thats nice" and "still no linkage". Combine that with scrapping the system one week before nuclear negotiations with Iran from a position of weakness!


This bumbling President of ours has evaporated ANY trust by stabbing our allies in the back, and on the anniversary of their invasion and subjugation by Russia! Who can deny the folly, or the threat posed by the lack of trust our allies will place in us from now on.


Who will trust us now? And why should they? Obama is not a Statesman. He's just pretending.

Posted by: Homunculus | September 19, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Alas, Pawlenty! I knew him, Minnesotan: a fellow
of timorous jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath
kicked us in the backside a thousand times; and now, how
abhorred in my imagination it is! my gorge rims at
it. Here hung those words that we believed I know
not how oft. Where be your cries now? your
gambols? your songs? your flashes of merriment,
that were wont to set the table on a roar?

Posted by: Martial | September 19, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Don Knotts disapproves, oh my. Pawlenty is just another Republican who talks loud and carries a small stick. All of the joint chiefs of staff and the secretary of defense supported this decision. The continued waste of time and money on systems that continually fail is a typical Republican solution.

Posted by: merrylees | September 19, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

phoenixresearch, the analogy holds because we gave up something defensive due to threats from the Russians. Russia is just a Third World basket case with oil and nukes, which is what Iran will be soon. We used to be the "hegemon". Now we cower and retreat whenever the thugs of the world scowl at us.

No one fears us except our friends.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse


Timmy is another Palin. International affairs for him is when he goes to the US/Canadian border and shakes hands with the provincial governor of Ontario.

What really fits is Tim is the governor of a state in which the state bird is a loon. I remember that when the look was selected, somebody in the legislature suggested making the wood tick the state insect...loonaticks.


Posted by: mortified469 | September 19, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

whocares, you're the one who looks "foulish". We were committed to deploy in Poland and the Czech Republic a DEFENSIVE missile shield to protect against Iranian long-range missiles. So Russia threatened to put OFFENSIVE weapons in the enclave of Kaliningrad aimed at Western Europe. We canceled our plans and so did they. You think this is a diplomatic success.

An analogy would be if you decided to install a burglar alarm in your home and your neighbor said that if you do something unfortunate might happen to one of your kids. So you cancel the alarm and consider it a great triumph when your neighbor leaves your kids alone. Smart diplomacy.

Only a leftist thinks that way.

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Apples and oranges. The "analogy" isn't one.

Only an ignorant ideologue would think it is.

Get educated before making a fool of yourself.


Posted by: phoenixresearch | September 19, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I lived in Minnesota and have little liking for Timmy. To my way of thinking, he is a cipher. He is a typical Republican, long on mouth and cut taxes for rich people. He is a minion for the rich. I hope he stays in Minnesota. Or if he goes to another state I hope he is a private citizen, wgm

Posted by: bjmptcruisergmailcom | September 19, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

This international sky is falling nonsense from a state governor? And in a state where we know he can't see Russia from his back porch? Instead of pursuing his presidential campaigning and aspirations maybe he should focus on his state's crumbling infrastructure.

Unless part of his strategy for dealing with the Russian invasion from Canada is to lure them across bridges that will dump their armored columns into the Mississippi River as they try to cross.

Posted by: dwatkinsaustin | September 19, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

whocares, you're the one who looks "foulish". We were committed to deploy in Poland and the Czech Republic a DEFENSIVE missile shield to protect against Iranian long-range missiles. So Russia threatened to put OFFENSIVE weapons in the enclave of Kaliningrad aimed at Western Europe. We canceled our plans and so did they. You think this is a diplomatic success.

An analogy would be if you decided to install a burglar alarm in your home and your neighbor said that if you do something unfortunate might happen to one of your kids. So you cancel the alarm and consider it a great triumph when your neighbor leaves your kids alone. Smart diplomacy.

Only a leftist thinks that way.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

From the AP - Russia said Saturday it will scrap a plan to deploy missiles near Poland since Washington has dumped a planned missile shield in Eastern Europe. It also harshly criticized Iran's president for new comments denying the Holocaust.

Looks like quid pro quo in response for Obama being pro active.

Pawlenty looks plenty foulish.

Posted by: whocares666 | September 19, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Really, you are not worried about China holding our mortgage?

I know banks depend on borrowers paying, that is the party line on why it does not matter that we have our future in hock.
It just seems scary I suppose, but I am not scared of my bank, it is true.

So if you think that is a yawner, if we all come to the conclusion that we need each other (the point I just made about Iran!) solvent, then there is nothing at all to worry about. Cool.

You sure have a fine mind. Please keep on posting.

I am going running.


Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It is true that we can not keep people from killing each other everywhere. We ignore mass murder and civil wars here and there if they are judged mainly irrelevant to our oil supply. If we care, we put flags and bunting all over the effort and represent the effort as in the strategic interest of our country.

But that is goofy. They all have to sell oil into a world market. No matter what kooks like Chavez say, his oil is only worth what the market says it is worth.

In the special (not just about oil) case of Israel, I still don't see the Iranian threat. There is MAD and MAD is the only way to prevent nuclear war.

People say they are worried the Mullahs want to be vaporized, in a sort of mass suicide/martyr bombing.

Well guess what, Reagan was a millenarian.
There are lots of Republicans now who believe we are in the end times. The whole star wars fantasy is linked to the Armageddon fantasy.

If you think the Persians, the Iranians, want to suicide, to end their history on Earth just in order to destroy the Israeli state, you are probably an end times nut bar yourself.

They want respect. They can not figure out why the Saudis and the rest of the Sunni Arabs get Western legitimacy but they don't. It drives them nuts. Nuts I tell ya!

We get together with Russia and China and put Iran on the same footing as the Saudis, all the hate speech will be forgotten. Sheesh, even Rwandans are apologizing to each other and they actually went there, over the edge.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Israel isn't our ally, they are only concerned about themselves, their lust for the West Bank places us in serious danger.

Posted by: newageblues | September 19, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

H..l, the LEFTISTS would think me a wild eyed leftist radical

Posted by: ceflynline | September 19, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"I believe we have two real foreign policy problems, the Southern border and the fact, this fact: Asians are our bond raters." Posted by: shrink2 |

Whether our Southern Border is a major diplomatic worry is a point for a different column and thread.

China as our chief bond rater isn't even a yawner.

China has all that potential American Money, but since it has all that potential American money because it doesn't dare spend it, since it would thereby put Chinese workers out of work, all it an do is hope the Arabs keep taking dollars for oil.

Consider that those bonds are promises to pay in dollars for the bonds at some later date. Once the dollars, entirely greenkacks, of course, get paid, the country that has 'em can use them to buy... American Goods and services. Just what they are trying to SELL to America. Not only that, but should they try to buy a lot of something we don't want to sell them, like Conoco Phillips, we just say no.

I can think of lots of things to worry about internationally, but Furriners owning lotsa dollars isn't one of them.

Three side answers. I am 62 years old and fat beyond my age.

If your dad flew B 52's over Siberia in the fifties, he is one of the people who developed our methhods of knowing what our enemies WMD capabilities are.

If I ran for office even the center would think me a wild eyed leftist radical.

Posted by: ceflynline | September 19, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

People, please use the term "radical" correctly. Radicals are on the far left of the political spectrum. Reactionaries are on the far right of the political spectrum. The term radical is being used -- incorrectly -- to refer to people on the extreme right. I quote the article here: "It looks like Tim Pawlenty isn't even going to offer the pretense of being anything but an extreme right wing radical anymore," said Sevugan." Posted by: HancockJM"

I doubt that Thad Stevens, Ben Wade, Edwin Sumner or their associates were ever on the left of anything. A radical, of the left or of the right, is a person who seeks the root of a political system. A Reactionary, mostly of the right but occasionally of the left is a person who stridently opposes that radical.

While the left eventually developed their own radical agenda, the first Radicals were the Republicans who opposed Johnson in reconstructing the South, and are ALWAYS called the Radical republicans.

Posted by: ceflynline | September 19, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

thecannula:

I believe the "point" is that Iran is not a threat to US -- hat, of course, ignores what impact radioactive oil fields in the Middle East will do to our already shakey economy -- the SPR can only last so long.

Posted by: JakeD | September 19, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

LDTRPT25:

No, I am not kidding (and the current Governor of Wyoming is a DEMOCRAT, so careful who you call dumb ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 19, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Our enemies are and will be the peoples who refuse to pay to play, or who can not. The Iranians will be no threat, they just want to get paid. They are jealous of the Arabs. Always have been." shrink2

Oh, Really? No threat? Easy to say with an Ocean between you and the Holocaust Denier

From National Public Radio-
Anxiety about Iran hangs in the air even in the often carefree culture of Tel Aviv's hip, secular neighborhoods. Hair salon owner Gilli Azouli says Iran and its ally Syria dominate customer conversations, and when Azouli tells customers about the special shelter he's building deep under his apartment building, they snicker — at least at first.

"Iran is different because they're fanatics. They think the Muslims have to rule all the world. It's a bit crazy," Azouli says.

So two and a half stories deep under the earth, Azouli is turning the standard Israeli safe room into a customized fallout shelter to protect his family. He's adding lead-plated walls and a state-of-the-art air filtration system that is able, in theory, to withstand a chemical, biological or perhaps even, he says, nuclear attack.

"Maybe it's not conventional. You cannot know what's coming. And when it starts, they are pushing the button and we are pushing the button and everybody gets it," he says.

Nuclear Ambitions

Azouli is not alone. Nowhere is the alarm and concern about Iran's nuclear program and growing regional clout more acute than in Israel. On several occasions, Iran's Holocaust-denying leader, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has publicly called for Israel to be "eliminated."

"The Iranian government is the only government around the world that speaks explicitly about the elimination of the state of Israel. Iran is the only government. We are worried," says Ephraim Kam, deputy director of Israel's Institute for National Security Studies.

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

Back to your China / Russia post, you make a great point that neither country will launch ICBMs at us. Why do you think they won't launch against OTHER countries, though, if they think they can get away with it?

Posted by: JakeD | September 19, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse


Did President Obama's Missile defense decision make strategic sense?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6163

.

Posted by: usadblake | September 19, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

emmet1

Yes exactly, politically I am obviously a leftist, but I am super annoyed when I get dirty looks for congratulating my kid when he scores, again.

There must be a way to excel and be happy about excellence, strive for it and celebrate it without making other people suffer.

But today I saw it with my own eyes, they were not happy, not because their own kids were unhappy (they didn't seem to care that much or they would have at least tried harder), but because they were jealous. Sick.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Back to the point.

(1) The overpopulation/water/oil driven wars of the next few decades will put Russia, China, India and the US into this same situation. The only military threat we face is from asymmetric forces. Someone mentioned Brazil. I'll go maybe, not likely to matter.

(2) No credible ICBM exists, ICBM defense is not an engineering problem, it is a prevention problem. Not necessarily diplomacy, but certainly any missile shield for ICBMs remains a Star Wars confabulation (as in "artists conception of" pictures).

(3) Anyone who thinks Russia, the US and China are in ideological conflict is an idiot. No one wants to impose its system or even its will on the other. Crony capitalism is the world order, we all depend on the world's pay to play market rules.

(4) Our enemies are and will be the peoples who refuse to pay to play, or who can not. The Iranians will be no threat, they just want to get paid. They are jealous of the Arabs. Always have been.

I believe we have two real foreign policy problems, the Southern border and the fact, this fact: Asians are our bond raters.

China, Japan and a handful of others are in our wheelhouse now. We have to turn around to get a wink and a nod. We pay down debt, we lose jobs, we increase the debt to save jobs. This is the biggest problem we face.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, good post. It's not fair for your kid to score so many goals. At the very least, they should be redistributed to his teammates on the scorecard or, if the score is one-sided, to the other team.

Otherwise, the kids might grow up to be Republicans who don't see anything unfair about the top 1% earning 22.83% of adjusted gross income and paying 40.42% of all income taxes. Actually, now that I think of it, it is unfair -- to the top 1%, even though I'm not in it.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/250.html

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

From today's NY Times-

"Riki Ellison, chairman of the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance, a nonpartisan group that receives financing from defense contractors as well as private individuals who support missile defense.... said that if the mobile SM-3 interceptors that the Obama administration planned to deploy instead of the Bush system were genuinely effective, “the Russians should be much more concerned about having hundreds of interceptors in this system that could potentially shoot down missiles in and around Europe.”

"The fact that Russia is not, he said, “validates to me that the SM-3 system won’t be at that level for long-range ballistic missiles.”


HA HA HA HA HA - Obama's system doesn't work for Russia's missiles or for any future Korean or Iranian missiles aimed at the US- BRILLIANT HARVARD!

(hey, about those good paying jobs in green industries you promised to create......)

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

No worries Mark, when I wrote that I had consumed my favorite Friday evening ice cube marinade, so it seems over the top, as if sarcastic. But I really do admire that guy.

It seems to me ceflynline should run for office. His life experience versus Obama or Pawlenty or Palin or the rest of these lifers. Sheesh. That was the appeal of McCain, but he just blew it up.

Meanwhile today my kid scored 6 of the 9 goals our team scored defeating the (dreaded! their parents are rich and they have real coaches and fancy uniforms) opposition, 9 (did I mention we got 9 goals?) to 3. They pulled him for most of the 2nd half.

People are saying he is "really good", but I can tell they are annoyed. Now what, pull the string on him so we don't lose soccer mom friends?

That's what one of my wife's friends suggested, so the other kids don't lose interest/self esteem. Fatherhood these days...As much as I despise Ayn Rand, I can see what the issue is, today at least.


Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

You know, I'd probably feel differently if the missile shield actually worked. However, the fact is we spend billions on this system and it doesn't work.

Obama's making a smart decision to deploy defense systems that actually work.

Posted by: jasperanselm | September 19, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Lawmakers Question Obama's Missile Defense Cuts
Lawmakers are demanding to know why the president's proposed 2010 defense budget cuts missile defense by $1.2 billion and does not provide any funds for the European missile defense shield as Iran and North Korea defy the international community with missile testing.

By Jennifer Griffin
FOXNews.com
Tuesday, June 16, 2009

So, this was decided over 3 months ago- Dem, Senators Begich and Bayh came out against this decision in June and after playing Obama like a marionette, the Russians STILL refuse to crack down harder on Iran, a country of religious zealots who would strap a bomb to a retarded relative in order to kill a few Americans???

It doesn't surprise- where are all the "Good Paying Green Jobs" you promised to create Mr President? Forgot?

Nat Unemployment 9.7% NY 10.4% (Highest in 16 years)

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Desparate"?

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious how desparate Pawlenty is trying to become the Republican nominee in 2012. He will do anything to tow the right wing line. The man doesn't even have a mind of his own. All this is going to lead to is him not getting the nomination and losing the governorship in Minnesota. Great job!

Posted by: egalite522 | September 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious how desparate Pawlenty is trying to become the Republican nominee in 2012. He will do anything to tow the right wing line. The man doesn't even have a mind of his own. All this is going to lead to is him not getting the nomination and losing the governorship in Minnesota. Great job!

Posted by: egalite522 | September 19, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Dummer"?

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: You must be kidding NO One could be as bad as the two you mentioned Alaska or Wyoming?Dumb and Dummer

Posted by: LDTRPT25 | September 19, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I think even a small town mayor could eventually come to a decision. If it takes months to pick a dog, years to pick a church and an as yet undetermined time to plan health care, close gitmo, pick over 500 admin personnel, retreat in Afghanistan, etc.

But only hours to scrap enviro policy, spend billions on pork, sue the CIA, apologize to enemies, take over industry.

Hmmmm. What is funny here?

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps in the future it will be considered common sense to have slightly higher qualifications for president than two years as a back bencher voting present.

Posted by: snowbama
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... and a cool name and rock star charisma.

It was immature, impressionable young voters who elected this empty-suit leftist.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Just checking, but everyone has had their rabies vaccinations, haven't they?

The madly partisan and hysterical tone of all these comments--on BOTH sides--makes one wonder.

And just how many aliases has K-o-Z got, anyway?

Posted by: sverigegrabb | September 19, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Even a Governor of Alaska or Wyoming would have been better.

Posted by: JakeD | September 19, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps in the future it will be considered common sense to have slightly higher qualifications for president than two years as a back bencher voting present.

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

scrivener50:

Have you heard of "Goat Lab" out of Ft. Bragg.

Posted by: JakeD | September 19, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Seems pretty clear now that the swing voters were fooled by empty promises and lies. They won't make that mistake again.

4 and out. Same as Jimmy. Decades to clean up the mess and pay the bills.

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the whining chickensh_t coming out of the Repub mouths, here. Intelligent discourse, this aint. Informed discussion, nope. A bunch of little wannabe's puffing their chests and running in circles. Must be all related to Chicken Scrawny, screaming "the sky is falling." My advice(surely unwanted) "Man up!, Wait your turn, then find a ballot box! We're Americans! That's how it's done here. Or, re-activate those stupid, moronic, drooling militias and see what happens when you're faced by the United States Army. They will play the "Deguello," for you, as_wipe.

Posted by: dkeith6877 | September 19, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, I apologize. I thought your honest praise was sarcasm. I was w-w-w-rong.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | September 19, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

How it plays over the weekend will be influenced by the Russian announcement that they are canceling plans to deploy missisils near Poland.
Poor Pawlenty, he based his claim on what couldn't happen a day before it did.

Posted by: F_L_Palmer | September 19, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Here in Minnesota, we know that the "dear leader" is thin on many levels. He's never carried a majority statewide, he's cut 35,000 mentally ill people off the rolls of Minnesota Care, our vaunted health care plan, and property owners all over the state have seen their taxes go up up up because of the guv's "no new (state) taxes pledge". He's a real loser. If the republicans are stupid enough to run him, Obama will have him for lunch. And Al Gore will no longer be the last presidential candidate to lose in his home state.

Posted by: SteveBurns1947 | September 19, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

You just have to remember that when the Navy seals killed the pirates and freed our merchant captain, the right wing also argued *that* was bad and wrong and dangerous and stupid and somehow indicative of weakness. So consider the source.

Posted by: nodebris | September 19, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

This is just another one of those episodes that proves the sum and total of the GOP platform is: Whatever Obama does, argue the opposite. Even if the opposite is stupid. It is contradiction for the sake of contradiction, and nothing more.

Posted by: nodebris | September 19, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

HancockJM, you are absolutely incorrect. "Radical" can be applied to any political philosophy. It is a close synonym with "extreme." Almost any reference you chose will confirm this.

Posted by: nodebris | September 19, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Vaughn, our missile defense plans in Poland and the Czech Republic were a defense against Iranian missiles. They weren't aimed at Russia unless you believe, as does Putin, that the two nations are part of the Russian sphere of influence. Russia's thuggish threat to put OFFENSIVE missiles into the enclave of Kaliningrad, menacing Western Europe, is hardly comparable.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, the "fringe" is the leftist kooks that are running the country today. Obama, Jarrett, Emanuel, Susan Rice, Van Jones, Cass Sunstein, Holdren, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Rangel, Murtha, Dodd, and all the other nitwits who are trying to turn us into Eurosheep or worse.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Chris, you should update this to include the information that since Obama's move, Russia announced it won't build a missile system close to that border. Gates' and Obama are right to do this, Poland and Eastern Europe should be safer for this. Let NATO and diplomatic forces do their jobs!

More importantly, we don't have to waste more money on this defense system. We already spend more money on the military than all other countries combined. This is one of Obama's smartest moves and I just wish it would get the press that the sniping of the right wingers got!

Posted by: Vaughan1 | September 19, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Good usage Chris. A gambit is a (usually chess) game move, in which sacrifice is offered for tactical, or even strategic advantage.

The person making the move thinks the loss of one or more pieces (in Napoleons case, sometimes whole regiments) is worth it. The opponent has to decide if they can take the piece(s) and still defeat whatever advantage the other might will gain.

Pawlenty pandering to the am radio hosts (Savage, Hannity and Limbaugh) really is a gambit. He sacrifices intellectual integrity for a position on the fringe.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

So here's the scary part. Most Americans and indeed all libs know all there is to know about missile defense based on a few news clips of Obama. No history. No strategy. No alliances. No enemies. No future vision. A soldier does as they're told- strong evidence to libs.

Al gore told us there was warming, lib conclusion - there is. No discussion, no facts.

Jimmy Carter sees racism. There is. No facts.

Obimbo will save money. See the pattern. Maybe another speech full of lies will cure this.

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Obama. Who's Obama. Is he ever on tv? I thought I saw him once but since then, only reruns.

When you only how to do one thing....

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Let me think this through - President Obama stops deployment of a missile system designed to stop missiles that don't exist and the Repubs scream. He replaces the non existent missile system with a closer, better system and the Repubs scream. The President smiles and the Repubs scream. The President eats out and the Repubs scream. The President (right wingnuts may fill in as appropriate) and the Repubs scream. Not all Repubs are non-thinkers, but those that aren't seem to be silent in the face of those who are.

Posted by: lswonder | September 19, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

What amuses me most about all of this bubble and fizz that began in August with the right wing thugs crashing those town halls, is that for all of the energy they expended, for all of the urgings and pleadings and beggings of the right wing talks show hosts to get out there and make noise, for all of the GOP wheezing about how America was "waking up", for all of the mainstream media prognostications about the negative effects on Obama, for all of that and more, yesterday PEW releases a poll showing Obama with a 55% job approval. Not only that but 68% see him as a strong leader and similar numbers find him to be trustworthy and honest.

So much for all of that "Obama is sinking" talk that was all the rage in August, eh?

Posted by: jaxas | September 19, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Shrink, looks like another liberal in need of your services.

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Snowbam, wimpiness is not what I am smelling this morning. What I am smelling is the very same sort of McCarthyite slander that you people engage in back in the 50s. The truth of the matter is that people with the squalid mentality you have have can no longer be trusted to be anywhere close to the levers of governmental power. Every stinking rotten egg we smell today was laid by conservative right wing politicians who assured us that we would find stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, who preached that in both Iraq and Afghanistan we would be greeted with candy and flowers as liberators, who assured us that the tax cuts we gave to wealthy investors back in 2001 would lead to prosperity, that deregualtion of banking and finance would free up the entrepreneurial energies of our business sector, that climate change and global warming was a myth, that we didn't need to spend money on shoring up our levees in New Orleans, that it was a good idea to put social security into private accounts on Wall Street, that it was a good idea for the government to intervene in the Schiavo case and keep her on life support forever, that it was OK with you that Bush and Cheney could seize our private e-mails and wiretap our citizens and that republican governors who run off to South America for a sexual liason with a former staffer at taxpayer's expense should not have to resign, etcetera...need I go on?

Not to mention Ensign, Vitters, Beck's alcholism, Limbaugh's addictions and his deal with a Florida prosecutor to keep his fat hiney out of jail, Bennett's gambling away his grandchildren's inheritance and now the GOP's flirtation with birthers, deathers, Birchers, neoNazis and racists.

No Snowbama, what I smell is death. The death rattle of the right wing culture warriors. That's what I smell and what I hear.

Posted by: jaxas | September 19, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

The hammerin' NOT heard round the world.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | September 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

margaret,

I know I agree, like I said, I am a huge admirer of him (and you too btw, you make me laugh as lot which is the best way to handle people who have tea bags hanging off their hats).

I am heading off to my little boys' first soccer game this morning. Starting over in my fifties. It is so much fun. Will they go to medical school some day? I hope so. Will they serve in the military? I hope so too.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Look. This is just another incidence of mainstream republicans pandering to the dumbest people on planet earth. The notion that this multibillion dollar missile shield in Eastern Europe--which we can't afford in any case and which most technical experts see as a foolish white elephant--is completely absurd, which is why the Joint Chiefs recommended abandoning it in the first place.

How utterly stupid can you be. This was initially designed on the bogus, silly proposition that Iran might someday have an ICBM capability. Even the CIA has told policy experts in Congress such a notion is laughable. Iran does have the potential to develop short range missile capability that would primarily be directed at their perceived enemy--Israel.

But I have learned that you cannot talk rationally to this dumbed down bunch of red state yahoos who call themselves "Values Voters". They live in this mythical world where we are still facing a global threat equivalent to the Nazis in WWII; where anyone who challeges their imbecilic view of the world as a communist and a traitor; where the legitimately elected President of the United States is believed to be a communist, or a Nazi, or a socialist, or an African Muslim terrorist, or an Arab or you pick the epithet. Whichever one you pick it will only be a substitute for the word they are all itching to use but can't. And anyone with a brain out there knows what word I mean.

Posted by: jaxas | September 19, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Dems lecturing on defense. What a joke. The last time they were "in charge" we were hit over and over by international terrorists with no consequences, leading up to the big one.

The time before that it was considered ok to allow us hostages in Iran for over a year.

Before that we lost the Vietnam war and Cuba.

Before that we gave away east Europe to the commies.

I love the smell of wimpiness in the morning. Smells like......defeat.

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Some of these posts criticizing Obama for the re-deployment of missile defense shields ignore one thing in threat assessments: things change, likewise your strategy. It would be a money loser if you think putting defense shield on the basis of several years ago intelligent and expect the enemy to maintain it current strategy is pretty dumb.
Furthermore it does not make us look weak because Gates has supported the change based on analysis.
Pawlenty needs to go back to school to learn about military strategy to understand the nature of dealing with the enemy that will adapt and change tactics in order to gain an edge. History will show that time and time again. Better yet why don't he actually work in a position to understand military strategy, otherwise he's going to sound like a chicken hawk like Bush and Cheney. So far he's pretty sound much like Palin about foreign policy experience. ZIP!

To Patrick McGeehan, your post of blaming Obama for the high unemployment is faulty because there is still problems in the economy that is going to take time to fix due the multitude things that has hammered the consumers. The consumers are doing what a prudence person would do when you don't have credit and that spending what you have instead of beyond your ability. The double hammer comes from the banks that are tightening standards that creating the problem due to the mistakes they made and we are paying for it. The unemployment rate is in line with my expectation of where it is going.

Posted by: beeker25 | September 19, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Dems lecturing on defense. What a joke. The last time they were "in charge" we were hit over and over by international terrorists with no consequences, leading up to the big one.

The time before that it was considered ok to allow us hostages in Iran for over a year.

Before that we lost the Vietnam war and Cuba.

Before that we gave away east Europe to the commies.

I love the smell of wimpiness in the morning. Smells like......defeat.

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

shrink2, I was also confused at first by ceflynline -- give it a second reading and you'll see you agree with their stance.

My own father of 85 signed-up in WWII. Flew almost 30 combat missions as a navigator (they were hard to replace so they couldn't be put on non-combat flights until they could be replaced)on bombers. His entire combat duty was the summer of 44 -- flew out twice on D-Day when he was just 19. Spent the next year flying non-combat missions around the globe. Glad we won. Proud to do his duty. Was relieved every year his sons pulled high numbers in the Vietnam draft lottery. He hated fighting.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | September 19, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

The criticism of Obama's decision to scrap the anti-missile program is risky for the GOP. Why? Because 9-11 and the national ssecurity debate no longer has the same force it once carried.

But there are more practical reasons why Pawlenty, McCain and any other republican seeking political gain out of this are courting disaster. The American public is war weary. They want us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. And when any republican comes to them with this sort of "appeasement" rhetoric, what they hear is another silly argument for getting us into another war, hot or cold.

The world may have indeed changed on 9-11. But the far bigger change in the world occurred on 9-15 last year. The economic collapse has brought America back to its senses. They are no longer interested in the right wing's culture war. And they sure as hell are not interested in another republican argument that they see leading us into another potential conflict far worse than what we have in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Add to that the fact that if you accuse Obama of appeasement, you have to also include the Joint Chiefs of Staff who recommended this decision--a fact that the cynical, pandering Pawlenty and McCain leave out of their criticism.

Beyond that, any republican who panders to that collection of dimwits who call themselves Values Voters are cowards and not qualified to be President.

Posted by: jaxas | September 19, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of serious, the whole reason I consider the militant snarl of the Republican Rising! a laugher is my faith, that's right, faith in the integrity of America's armed services.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

tell-it-like-it-is-pam is behind the times with her advice to check factcheck.org to verify her claim that Clinton "dropped the ball" on capturing Bin Laden. That has been debunked months ago. Furthermore,
there were no grounds for our capturing him at the time. Bush had grounds for capture for eight years and was unable to
with all the "wherewithall" and might of the USA. Wily critter, Bin Laden, or do we just need him alive so we can keep fighting ad infinitum?

Posted by: hbryan1 | September 19, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Whoa Mark,

I am absolutely serious about admiring ceflyline, I have never ridiculed him.

In fact, I think I have a man crush.

Why don't you go back and re-read?

From the bottom up here, I am ridiculing the Dr. Strangelove wannabes.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

so let me explain...

covering US citizens with health care is bad

Covering foreign countries with missiles that US citizens pay for is good.


Why does the US, in massive debt, need to pay for another's country weapons?

Posted by: tru-indy | September 19, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Ah, yes. Governor Pawlenty the air defense/national security affairs/pre WWII history expert from Minnesota yelping for effect. Have you no self-respect?

Posted by: sundog2 | September 19, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

At 8:22A I posted without attribution, which I never do intentionally. Much [but not all] of what I posted was quoted from a Stratfor analysis.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | September 19, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Only 5 countries in the 21st century that will affects the US directly or indirectly; the BRIC nations, BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA & CHINA. The rest are insignificant.

Posted by: yog2541 | September 19, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

In the end, BMD is a symbolic rather than meaningful issue to the defense of easern/central Europe. The delivery of 48 F-16s with advanced systems to Poland is enormously more important to Polish defense than the BMD was. The defense of Poland is a matter of conventional forces under any circumstances. The Russians are demanding recognition of their sphere of influence in the former Soviet region, but this is something the United States continues to reject. Therefore, the Russian dream of a neutral Poland is a fantasy. In some ways, the withdrawal of the BMD plan gives Poland and other countries in the region far more leverage with Washington for the transfer of weapons and training. The clumsy manner in which the announcement was made opens Washington up to demands from the region for other, more real and less symbolic, offers.

If the BMD announcement is a peace offering to the Russians, it is insufficient in itself to entice them. Iran as a thorn in the American side is worth far more to the Russians than what the United States has given them so far. As a practical matter, the decision has no effect on Polish or Czech security, but actually gives these states greater leverage with Washington. Therefore, as a strategic move, the decision has limited significance.

It is a rational move from a technological standpoint, because DOD claims the new system is more effective and far more rapidly deployed, almost immediately, in fact. A better use of scarce resources, one might conclude. But the sheer confusion on Thursday morning raised questions about the bureaucratic processes in Washington.

The Czechs prefer the F-16s, too. They have thanked us already. While I do not see Iran as malleable in the short run, it is a deeply divided nation. While I do not see Medvedev as a reliable "partner", appearances here, for Iran, work for us. Why? This move opens the door for bargaining with the Russians over Iran sanctions. That by itself would place pressure on Iran.
Again, I believe this is a minor benefit, b/c nothing will come of it in the end.

Summary: cost-benefit-time analysis drove the senior team [Gates-Jones-Clinton] to this naval based deployment against Iran. Iran, not Russia, is the primary focus of this military strategic decision.
The secondary focus is eastern Europe.
The Poles and Czechs are more interested in creating large contemporary air forces and we are obliging - that is the "Russian" part of the strategy. The only fumble seems to me to be the timing of the announcement.
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Shrink2, please go back and read ceflyline's post that you ridiculed.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | September 19, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Just another action by Obama to show that he wants the USA to become a weak and socialist nation. Obama wants the USA to become a subject of the UN and for the UN regulations and dictates to supersede the laws and Constitution of the USA. Democrat Hari Sevugan is an elitist leftist that thinks the “average” American citizen can not think for themselves or carry the personal responsibility to live their own lives. Obama’s move is a sell out to the hardliners in what was the USSR and stabs our Eastern European allies in the back. The democrats will do NOTHING to protect this nation or help our real allies. They love Castro and socialists/ communist dictators worldwide.

Posted by: Thomas-in-Newport | September 19, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Why in the world would the governor of Minnesota be chatting about missile defense shields in Eastern Europe? Yep, it's 2012 time...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | September 19, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing that after 8 - 9 months, people are still blaming Bush. Is that the best you have? Come on, Bush doesn't have anything to do with the policy anymore - it's Obama in the office. The blame now sits squarely on Obama.

And for this thought that Russia and its ilk aren't threats, it's dangerous to adopt this mentality. Well, I guess that you can because thanks to the last administration, we weren't attract and everyone got comfortable. Too comfortable.

It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

But then again, most of you sit hit blame Bush and wait for your next government handout. Of course, if unemployment continues to rise (12.2 percent in California), it might be hard pressed to get any government check.

Posted by: miltwnow | September 19, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

People, please use the term "radical" correctly. Radicals are on the far left of the political spectrum. Reactionaries are on the far right of the political spectrum. The term radical is being used -- incorrectly -- to refer to people on the extreme right. I quote the article here: "It looks like Tim Pawlenty isn't even going to offer the pretense of being anything but an extreme right wing radical anymore," said Sevugan."

Posted by: HancockJM | September 19, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Being contrarian in times like these seems to be the modus operandi of the Republicans. Any governor who presides over the election of a U.S. senator the way this one did shows something other than concern for his own citizens.

The President is backed by unanimous consent of the Joint Chiefs and the Sec. of Def. His ruling makes sense. The missile defense shield has been a big deal since Ronald Reagan's time. As the late Carl Sagan said once in a science conference session, to miss only one ICBM is still a miss of great consequence. To deploy a half dozen such anti-ICBMs when hundreds of medium- to short-range missles could be deployed now is a laugh. President Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do during the campaign. The opposition lost that election. They must learn to deal with it. The previous admin showed how they could spend money like a drunken sailor with little or no justification for such spending. Obama is trying to curtail spending, something the conservatives keep shouting about, while doing something to make people safe.

The business of yelling fire in a crowded theater at every opportunity must stop. So a pet project of the right wing goes down the drain. So what?

Posted by: EarlC | September 19, 2009 6:33 AM | Report abuse

"as a two term-governor, his resume is thin on foreign policy".

Given how many Presidents were prior Governors the past 100 years and were not Senators, does that really matter? His resume will be same as Reagan, Bush 43, Clinton...heck, even as large as Obama's. Com'on.

..and it's Orwellian to say the 'other plan' is better. Eastern Europe was just thrown under the bus by another weak on defense Democrat. Sam Nunn was the last strong Democrat it seems still.

Posted by: rolltr | September 19, 2009 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Is there a single aspect of our life that this buffoon is not going to mess up in the next three years. Ticking off every allie and cuddling up to every enemy is a proven recipe for failure. Isn't screwing up the auto industry, the overall economy, the energy markets and now the medical profession enough for six months. What's the rush you say. One year until the great remorse hits the voting booth and the lame duck is pronounced.

Posted by: snowbama | September 19, 2009 3:44 AM | Report abuse

You have to be completely unhinged in your wishful thinking to even entertain the possibility that this guy has a shot.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 2:30 AM | Report abuse

pawlenty hammers obama on missle defense = dukakis in a tank

Posted by: plathman | September 19, 2009 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Goes to judgement-

Wall Street Journal 10/14/08

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Editorial page.

Great source.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 1:45 AM | Report abuse

thecannula wrote:
"1 Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhma backed down to Putin period"

You do know that he was just taking the advice of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the Defense Secretary, right? You know, those two guys who came over from the Bush administration?

Posted by: presto668 | September 19, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

"Pawlenty Hammers Obama on Missile Defense Decision"

But all he has is a wee little plastic toy hammer, so he winds up just looking silly.

Posted by: nodebris | September 19, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Bush and his administration just talked about it. They never actually did anything in eight years. I pretty much concluded that the Bush administration actually wasn't going to do it several years ago, but they liked talking about it.

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We traded two trillion dollars, the lives of thousands of servicemen, another three thousand killed in a preventable terrorist attack, the esteem of the world, our military readiness, and our stature as a moral nation ... for a few years of swagger.

And now the nincompoops want to spend trillions more to prepare for threats that are thirty years out of date.

(spits)

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Pawlenty's, "The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming" parlayed out well to that crowd. ... 50 years ago.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 19, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

AlanGoldberg54:

I don't thnk that GWB pulling us out of the ABM Treaty, successful test intercepts, and research under GMD counts as "doing nothing".

Posted by: JakeD | September 19, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

The wingnuts are taking a moment from worry about the deficit to express deep concern that GWB's good buddy the communist czar Putin is going to launch a missile attack on the evil socialist economies of Europe that our mythical, unproven anti-missile technology could have stopped if only we had spent billions of dollars we don't have to give it to a bunch of thankless socialists that don't even want it.

Sigh. Please you guys, go back to talking about abortion and creationism.

Posted by: nodebris | September 19, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Bush and his administration just talked about it. They never actually did anything in eight years. I pretty much concluded that the Bush administration actually wasn't going to do it several years ago, but they liked talking about it.

Posted by: AlanGoldberg54 | September 19, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Goes to judgement-

Wall Street Journal 10/14/08

"...Which brings us to Mr. Obama, who got his start as a Chicago "community organizer" at Acorn's side. In 1992 he led voter registration efforts as the director of Project Vote, which included Acorn. This past November, he lauded Acorn's leaders for being "smack dab in the middle" of that effort. Mr. Obama also served as a lawyer for Acorn in 1995, in a case against Illinois to increase access to the polls.

During his tenure on the board of Chicago's Woods Fund, that body funneled more than $200,000 to Acorn. More recently, the Obama campaign paid $832,000 to an Acorn affiliate. The campaign initially told the Federal Election Commission this money was for "staging, sound, lighting." It later admitted the cash was to get out the vote."

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Ny Times 9/18/09

"But never has (Mr. O'Keefe's) work had anything like the impact of the Acorn exposé, conducted by Mr. O’Keefe and a friend he met through Facebook, 20-year-old Hannah Giles. Their travels in the gaudy guise of pimp and prostitute through various offices of Acorn, the national community organizing group, caught its low-level employees in five cities sounding eager to assist with tax evasion, human smuggling and child prostitution.
What began as a firestorm on conservative talk shows spread across the news media and to both parties in Congress, as Mr. O’Keefe and Ms. Giles unveiled videos of more cities where Acorn workers had misbehaved. Jon Stewart, whose “Daily Show” on Comedy Central leans to the left, highlighted the videos, and a House proposal to cut off all federal money to Acorn passed Thursday by a vote of 345 to 75."

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

No, dfc102, that was Tina Fey.

Posted by: JakeD | September 19, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

NY Times September 18, 2009 MOSCOW —

President Obama’s decision to cancel an antimissile defense system in Eastern Europe earned a strong welcome from Russian leaders on Friday(!!!!!!!!). Now, the question is whether Russia will do more to help prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin, who had repeatedly assailed the antimissile system as a grievous threat to Russia’s security, called Mr. Obama’s decision “correct and brave.” President Dmitri A. Medvedev hinted that Russia would respond favorably to the decision to replace former President George W. Bush’s plan with a missile shield seen as less threatening to Moscow.
Still, neither leader offered any immediate indication that Russia would make specific concessions, especially on Iran, which has become a major stumbling block in relations between the countries. If Russia does not toughen its opposition to Iran’s nuclear program, analysts say, Mr. Obama may be vulnerable to criticism that he yielded to Russian complaints on the antimissile plan but received little in return. (!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Nice going- hey maybe SOME executive experience would be helpful on OUR side?

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

weakness? pffft. puffing up your chest and fronting is weakness. look how that worked for saddam...

Posted by: DirtyLibrul

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heres hopiing that your kids get to experience the coming benefit to russia when they reward you with one of their bombs

your kids and gkids will thank you for your russian support and America hatred as they fear for their lives and future

Posted by: M_Algore | September 18, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

It is very troubling to witness just how bottomless the stupidity of the rank-and-file right really is.

Posted by: dfc102 | September 19, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The nuclear power plant owner in Springfield. He says that line when he is recognizing evil genius.

Look, you guys have marinated enough ice cubes. Drink up and go to bed.

Tomorrow, CC will give us a new Republican Rising! crush.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

It's amusing that this was done to Poland on the anniversary of its invasion by Russia during WWII.

Peace in our time -- oh yes, peace in our time. Urp -- sorry, "peace in our time" refers to Czechoslovakia, doesn't it? But then again, the Czech Republic was jerked around too, so it does fit.

Posted by: unclesmrgol | September 19, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

1 Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhma backed down to Putin period
2 Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhma time and time again during every debate promised "good paying jobs" in green industries and hasn't delivered, as unemployment has soared to 9.7% nationally- 10.4% in NY the highest in 16 yrs
3 You lovers of the Emperor's New Clothes and other tales of style over substance won't admit #1 or #2 because you are merely adoring sheep
4 Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmma's inability to govern effectively is not going unnoticed outside of the Democrat ewes on this blog-

NY Times-
"Obama Poll Sees Doubt on Budget and Health Care

By JEFF ZELENY and DALIA SUSSMAN
Published: June 17, 2009
A substantial majority of Americans say President Obama has not developed a strategy to deal with the budget deficit, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, which also found that support for his plans to overhaul health care, rescue the auto industry and close the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, falls well below his job approval ratings.

A distinct gulf exists between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed, with fewer than half of Americans saying they approve of how he has handled health care and the effort to save General Motors and Chrysler. A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.

As Mr. Obama finishes his fifth month in office and assumes greater ownership of the problems he inherited, Americans are alarmed by the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been doled out to boost the economy. A majority said the government should instead focus on reducing the federal deficit."

Posted by: thecannula | September 19, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

GAndT, I hope we won't let Iran ship vessels with nuclear devices into our harbors, but that's just me. Seriously, intelligence, inspection, and ultra-sensitive radiation detection equipment are the lines of defense in that area.

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Radiation monitoring of cargo vessels would give a hell of a lot more safety bang for the budget buck than any Reagan-era missile shield fantasy.

Iran isn't planning to nuke anyone, they want to be safe from invasion. They want a deterrent. They've seen the writing on the wall thanks to that preening narcissist who we just got rid of .. you have even the most rudimentary nuclear capabilility, you get lip service and no more. Just ask Kim Jong Il.

No nukes, and your country gets invaded and you get handed over to a lynch mob. Just ask Saddam Hussein.

The only country that has anything to fear from Iran is Israel, and I don't give a rat's rear what happens to Israel, not until they imprison the settler movement as the terrorists they are. Those bashterds are a thumb in the world's eye.

But if Israel decides to bomb Iran we'll suffer a lot more than they will, and not from their nuclear weapons.

As for stopping Iran from getting nukes, how do you propose to do that, and with what justification? I would rather nobody irrational enough to believe in sky-spirits had so much as a pea-shooter, because it really doesn't take too many of them going off before we don't have a place to live anymore.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

GAndT- So you think if we can't guarantee perfect protection of our ocean ports, we shouldn't protect ANY of our cities?!! That's crazy talk, man!

Posted by: Homebrewer | September 19, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

@shrrink2: who is Mr. Burns? Television or sports?

It's a very old saying.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

wonder if obama or aclu know that you using your devils name in your post

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I don't believe in the supernatural

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

"Who cares what Palin says? She has less brain than a centipede."

You should be banned,
Your sense of humor is much better than this.

Don't blame injury this time.

But I have to admit, quoting Mr. Burns, admiring the cut of a man's jib. Kinda pressed the reset button for my afternoon.

Good night.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

GAndT, I hope we won't let Iran ship vessels with nuclear devices into our harbors, but that's just me. Seriously, intelligence, inspection, and ultra-sensitive radiation detection equipment are the lines of defense in that area.

What do you propose we do after Iran and others get nukes, if they plant them in a number of U.S. cities and detonate them one-by-one until we meet their demands. Especially if we don't even know which nuclear state is behind the attacks. To me, this is why we must stop Iran from getting nukes by any means necessary. What do you think?

Posted by: emmet1 | September 19, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Tim, thanks so much. I bet you can see Russia from your house.

Posted by: dfc102 | September 19, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and while YOU won't let your kids serve anymore? In spite of the mess your party has made of the Armed Services, I still encourage MINE to serve. Preferably Army, of course, but Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, even Marines. It is just what REAL Americans do.

By the way, I have five combat bars, and eleven of the seventeen battle stars awarded for Viet Nam. It's what REAL Americans do.

Posted by: ceflynline

Really? I Would like to meet you and tell you how much I admire you in person.

How can you be smart, funny, energized, brave, incisive (nasty), critical and true at the same time?

What, are you handsome too?

Are you really encouraging your kids to serve?

My Dad flew over Siberia [from Mountain Home, in a B52, of course] night after night during the mid fifties. I was born in a tar paper clinic and he built a bomb shelter nearby. I don't remember those days, but, much later, he told me, "never be a soldier in somebody else's war."

Well I happen to believe that our armed services are the reason we have nothing to fear from our political parties.


Posted by: shrink2 | September 19, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

1/20/12 - end of an error

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Heh heh heh and which GOP snoozelord is going to pull off this victory? Get out much?

Where exactly do you think the GOP is going to get 65 million votes? Shangri-La?

Sorry there aren't quite enough sextuagenarian racists to elect a Republican. In fact the next Republican president will probably be someone who hasn't even been born yet.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Jesus these Republican trolls live in fantasy land

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite

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wonder if obama or aclu know that you using your devils name in your post

guess that means you lose


Posted by: M_Algore | September 19, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

And what is your economy-bomb missils shield going to do about a nuclear warhead on a container vessel sailing into Los Angeles?

You Republicans are dopes.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 19, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Just cheap whine... spo dee odie.

Posted by: whocares666 | September 18, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Jesus these Republican trolls live in fantasy land

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and while YOU won't let your kids serve anymore? In spite of the mess your party has made of the Armed Services, I still encourage MINE to serve. Preferably Army, of course, but Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, even Marines. It is just what REAL Americans do.

By the way, I have five combat bars, and eleven of the seventeen battle stars awarded for Viet Nam. It's what REAL Americans do.

Posted by: ceflynline | September 18, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

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yea sure

bwahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

sounds like a remf, at best - but dont think so

DRAFTEE?

FRAGGEN?

Real American? - you and your liberal hate and vitriol toward America - bet you even think the terrorists have rights and you whine about torturing the terrorists

you're another wannane whining about terrorist rights over Americans rights

Real American - not with your America hatred - you dont make it

bars & stars - did you get kerry's when he threw them

bars & stars - BWAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

yea sure

you are great entertainment - BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hehehehehe

hehehehe

hehe

he he

lololololol

lol

Posted by: M_Algore | September 18, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndWhatever, we have JDAMs that can hit a square meter or smaller, face recognition technology that can spot someone driving through an intersection, Moore's Law, and all the rest. Iran has North Korean technology and can't even refine their own gasoline. Do you really think we can't beat them in a high tech race to neutralize a decoy technology that they don't even have yet?

Please. The Russians are worried that we'll get so good at missile defense and that our costs will decline such that we can defend against their aging ICBMs. Staying ahead of the mullahs should be a piece of cake. But without our missile defense, the crazy zealots can intimidate us with only a very few warheads.

Ahmadinejad believes that a nuclear conflagration would lead to the end times and the triumphant return of their goofy hidden iman who disappeared over a thousand years ago. I'd hate to find out if they're right.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 18, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

msealock/goldtanizits/ceflyline - wish I could be around on 11/2/10, cuz you people are gonna be a hoot, if you live thru the heartache of the rejection

pelosi would be another that will be fun to watch on that day.

but, at least you will have good reason for the your America hatred, when America rejects you and your leaders

1/20/12 - end of an error

Posted by: M_Algore | September 18, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

does anyone really believe that the so-called republican leaders take any stand opposing obama from reason, sincerity, or honor? if he were to issue a proclamation in favor of motherhood, they'd find some reason to condemn him. i'm no democrat, but the current g.o.p. leaders and their cynical, gutless, amoral opposition make it highly unlikely i'll ever vote for another republican.

Posted by: jimfilyaw | September 18, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Since the Fix wrote this blog this afternoon, and Pawlenty's powerful hammerin' was supposed to take place this evening, wasn't the headline sort of premature? I guess the Fix had a Value Voters feeding tube up his nose today.

Value Voter is sort of like Value City... you buy your votes for less there cause the quality is a little lower.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | September 18, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: M_Algore:

On my side of my family my lkids have ancestors who fought in every American war from the recolution to Viet Nam except the Indian wars, and on their Mothers side they have ancestors who got in on the action with equal abandon.

Now my son has Korea and Iraq in his record and is looking for afghanistan. Would you like to claim that I am not a "Real American?"

Reagan didn't make a
America stronger, just more deeply in debt because of money wasters like Star Wars and the MX missile system. Bush has exhausted the Army, and was trying to ruin the navy and the intelligences systems when we finally got rid of him.

Your "True Americans" like Cheney, Wolfowitcz, Perle, and the rest of the Chicken hawks have really screwed the defense establishment, and as a Result the Army is about at the lowest level its morale has been in since McCarthur was Chief of Staff.

Obama is closing down a collosal waste of money. Its claims for effectiveness violate any number of physical laws, and then again it seems to claim that ten, (the number of misslies slated for the "european Shield" is greater than any number of missiles that Iran supposedly intended to have.

Get this through your Republican cranium: That system was never going to be useful for anything. The Russians weren't against it because they were sared, the resented what it was intended to tell them, "Sit on This!" The whole farce was george giving Russia the finger.

NOTHING more.

Oh, and while YOU won't let your kids serve anymore? In spite of the mess your party has made of the Armed Services, I still encourage MINE to serve. Preferably Army, of course, but Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, even Marines. It is just what REAL Americans do.

By the way, I have five combat bars, and eleven of the seventeen battle stars awarded for Viet Nam. It's what REAL Americans do.

Posted by: ceflynline | September 18, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Pam Posted:

War on Terror - Clinton 0 and Al Qaeda - 7
1993 - The first World Trade Center bombing
1995 - Attempted crashing of plane on White House
1995 - Oklahoma City bombing
1996 - Khobar Towers bombing - Saudi Arabia
1998 - U.S. Embassy bombings Kenya/Tanzania
2000 - USS Cole Bombing - Yemen
Clinton response - Little or NOTHING

War on Terror - President Bush years - 100 and Al Queda - 0
9/11/2001 - Attack on World Trade Center/Pentagon/
President Bush's response - War on terror on a world footing.
Taken out Taliban - installed democratic government in Afghanistan
Taken out Saddam and Sons.- Installed a democratic government in Iraq
Killed or captured countless Al Queda.
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Yo Pammy, you want to tell me again how the plane and OKC bombing are Al Qaeda? And are you talking about the same democratic Govt in Afghanistan that barely controls Kabul, let alone the rest of the county.
Typical republi-scum ideology, they don't think like us so let's blow them up. Pres Obama is being a realist. Scrapping an expensive, unnecessary defense system for one that is more cost effective, mobile and pragmatic. No capitulation there, seems like sound decision making.

Posted by: teamohall | September 18, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Folks I am from Minnesota and we call him Phewlenty because he and his statements stink. He took a perfectly good state and ruined it the way bush ruined America...how he ever got elected the last time is still being debated. He was so far behind we just knew he couldn't win...but also, like bush when the totals came in from the overwhelming republican county where Minneapolis is, he got just enough votes to squeeze out a victory.

And just think they same thing came up with Coleman. Franken was ahead and Coleman squeezed out the votes in Hennepin county...but it was too close to call so they did a recount...guess what Coleman lost. They should have done the same for Phewlenty.....and he thinks he is on his way to get the nod for the republican candidate for president...he he he ho ho ho.

Posted by: msealock | September 18, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Any Republican insiders know what Sarah Palin is saying on he missle defense system?

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Probably that she can see the Rooshan missile complexes from "an island in Alaska."

It was Tina Fey said she could see them from her house.

Who cares what Palin says? She has less brain than a centipede.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that if Iran has to launch dozens of missiles to overwhelm our defensive launchers, that's a good thing. We can afford more interceptors than they can afford offensive missiles.

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God O'Mighty you're stupid.

They don't have to launch thousands of real missiles; no defense system can tell decoys and chaff from the real thing. It has to stop them all.

Grow a brain.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: sourpuss | September 18, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Give us all a break. Go back to whining about BHO isn't bipartisan enough for you people.

Posted by: ceflynline

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your gkids will be proud of you as they face down the coming dirty deeds by our enemies as allowed by your prez

amazing how we, the Real Americans, have gone out of our way to protect you fools in the past, but that has come to an end. My son will not serve to protect you and your kids, his dad, gdad and great gdad have done to much for you fools.

My dad, my son's gdad, is truly disgusted with the obama america. He gets sick when he thinks about the beach on 6/6, just as I get sick when I think about what I went thru in khe sanh. Both of us have been disgusted with the voters for what they did to us and the other Real Americans that gave our service - you and your prez do not deserve it !!!!!!

all you liberals and radicals, keep up your hate and vitriol, its all you are going to have to comfort you in the future as you blame everyone, just as obama blames the Real Americans for all his problems, for the coming consequences of your prez, obama, and his actions

Posted by: M_Algore | September 18, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Any Republican insiders know what Sarah Palin is saying on he missle defense system?

Posted by: Emmetrope | September 18, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear emmet:

I hope such logic and reason have sent the objectors into cerebral shock, and will not be able to respond with the average dribble for some time.

nice post.

if it didn't or couldn't work, then why did the russians care?

That alone is proof enough that we are onto a legit technology. Probably one the russians have no capacity to pursue.

Posted by: docwhocuts | September 18, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm evidently not as smart as some of you posters who know that missile defense can never work (you remember this from the '80s) and that, even if it did, it could be easily circumvented (you learned this from movies I guess). So please explain to my simple mind why it's so important to so many, from the Russians to our own leftists, that our long-range missile defense never be deployed in Europe (we've already deployed it in Alaska and no one seems to mind except the North Koreans). I'm just not very versed in your liberal theology.

It seems to me that if Iran has to launch dozens of missiles to overwhelm our defensive launchers, that's a good thing. We can afford more interceptors than they can afford offensive missiles. Also, it doesn't have to be 100% effective to deter an attack (or nuclear blackmail)from the mullahs. I also don't see why we need to choose between long-range missile defense and short- and intermediate-range, which are different threats and different technologies.

I'm hoping, now that Israel has seen how feckless and weak Obama is, that they'll take care of the Iranian threat for us. Obama would be pissed because that would interfere with his dream of negotiating with them.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 18, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Listen you idiots, a lot of us democrats don't like anything this administration is doing and we didn't vote for the sweet oh boy. This fool of a president waved the white flag to North Korea (selling out our friends) and not kicks dirt in face of Europen nations that he was going tom whom restore our prestige. The change is coming faster than you know and it may be more than this nation can stand. I for one fear for the future. No one will ever have faith in this country keeping their word. We sold everyone out and they know it.

Posted by: JHardy1 | September 18, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Sometime in the early eighties a couple of Disney reject animators did a really bad job of illustrating a space war with lasers and sold it to a washed up actor whose contact with reality had never been particularly close, and who was beginning to suffer from senile dementia. Unfortunately, Ronald Reagan bought their flim flam and we got star wars, a collection of supposed defense systems against Russian Nuklear missiles that were SO bad that Star Wars' space opera was much more credible science.

Thus much money went down classified rat holes into republican pockets, with the sure knowledge that it would never get accounted for because it would never be asked to do what it was supposed to do. The space laser platforms proposed were laughable then and would still be laughable now, but eventually some of the proponents decided that they had to come up with SOMETHING, and kinetic kill being the only thing remotely likely to be worked out that didn't violate some treaty on space or other, so they started trying to get one rocket thrown slug to hit another rocket thrown slug.

So far they haven't been at all successful. Under Clinton they failed often enough to be in danger of being flat out cancelled, but thet george became President and this Reaganite farce was being deployed at Fort Richardson, Alaska, where missiles that we have reason to doubt can work sit off the actual route af missiles from any U.S. enemy who might ever want to launch against us. WHY?

Saint Ronnie wanted them.

Now BHO cancels the European incarnation of this worthless system, and Saint Ronnies's acolytes get all hot in the shorts.

The system was a waste of money in 1984 and has been a waste of money every year since. Cancelling the program would have saved us hundreds of billions of dollars. Giving the developemental boys a billion or so to keep thinking would have produced more value that anything this wretched kluge has given us, and kept those weapons boys scientific reputations in tact.

Right now Mickey Mouse with a slingshot has a better chance of protecting someone against missile attack than these worthless silo fillers.

BUT BUT BUT Ronnie AND Georgie wanted them and we have to have them or the bad guys win!!!


Give us all a break. Go back to whining about BHO isn't bipartisan enough for you people.

Posted by: ceflynline | September 18, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

weakness? pffft. puffing up your chest and fronting is weakness. look how that worked for saddam...

Posted by: DirtyLibrul

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heres hopiing that your kids get to experience the coming benefit to russia when they reward you with one of their bombs

your kids and gkids will thank you for your russian support and America hatred as they fear for their lives and future

Posted by: M_Algore | September 18, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

#540744*- you moron democrat ewe

Posted by: thecannula | September 18, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

America better get serious about jobs.
No work, no nothing.

All this BS about future ICBM prospects?
People, unemployment is not fixed.

Obama needs to cut losses in the foreign Republican fantasies. We have to hope they take care of us now. We have to work here.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

(*guffaw*)

Yeah it's really obvious from your writing that you have the brains to create new technology.

hahahahahahahaha

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like cannula was hoping to parlay his skill at rotating a screwdriver into some rooftop work, and he was all psyched up by the talk of solar panels.

Sorry it didn't work out.

See if you can find some other uses for that screwdriver. I'm sure someone will come to your door soon with a job for you. Fear not, somewhere out there in the big world there's a place for you.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 9:18 PM |


************

Actually FYI- I'm a very well employed US Patent holder who believes that candidates should be held accountable for their campaign promises and not left off the hook by rock head hypnotized followers like you gold/tanzanite cortex.

Posted by: thecannula | September 18, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"trump card early in the game"

You are a clown, right?
If I squeeze your nose it will not squeak,
it will fall off.

Kids are afraid of you.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

President Barack Obama is right on the so-called "Defence shield", even, Brent Scowcroft agrees with the President's decision. So, CC, this won't fly..let the party of NO find another topic to disagree with..Both the Czech Republic and Poland are part of NATO, and article 5 still applies.
President Barack Obama is astute in using clear intelligence, and pragmatic approach to foreign affairs after the last eight "all hat and no cattle" approach.

Posted by: ruraledcomm | September 18, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"I think the Russian diplomats pulled our pants down this time."

And of course, you know more than Scowcroft.

Posted by: nodebris | September 18, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

WOW the demo-rats are beyond belief. They actually believe that hunker down and not being world leaders is the way to keep the US of A safe!!
Here are some facts you idiots..
President Bush has spent a lot of the last 8 years cleaning up the mess created by the Clinton 8 years of shallow, characterless and woeful lack of leadership. Lets take a walk down memory lane.
War on Terror - Clinton 0 and Al Qaeda - 7
1993 - The first World Trade Center bombing
1995 - Attempted crashing of plane on White House
1995 - Oklahoma City bombing
1996 - Khobar Towers bombing - Saudi Arabia
1998 - U.S. Embassy bombings Kenya/Tanzania
2000 - USS Cole Bombing - Yemen
Clinton response - Little or NOTHING

War on Terror - President Bush years - 100 and Al Queda - 0
9/11/2001 - Attack on World Trade Center/Pentagon/
President Bush's response - War on terror on a world footing.
Taken out Taliban - installed democratic government in Afghanistan
Taken out Saddam and Sons.- Installed a democratic government in Iraq
Killed or captured countless Al Queda.

Clinton Vs Osama Bin Laden
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html
Osama bin laden was out in the out in the open. And masterminded the 9/11.

President Bush Vs Osama Bin Laden
Bin Laden has been hiding in a cave. Sending pathetic messages to show the world he is alive.
Now this clown in the Whitehouse is tryig to get the USA back on the pathetic list "please like us" we will strip for you please please like us....disgusting....

Posted by: tell-it-like-it-is-pam | September 18, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

WOW the demo-rats are beyond belief. They actually believe that hunker down and not being world leaders is the way to keep the US of A safe!!
Here are some facts you idiots..
President Bush has spent a lot of the last 8 years cleaning up the mess created by the Clinton 8 years of shallow, characterless and woeful lack of leadership. Lets take a walk down memory lane.
War on Terror - Clinton 0 and Al Qaeda - 7
1993 - The first World Trade Center bombing
1995 - Attempted crashing of plane on White House
1995 - Oklahoma City bombing
1996 - Khobar Towers bombing - Saudi Arabia
1998 - U.S. Embassy bombings Kenya/Tanzania
2000 - USS Cole Bombing - Yemen
Clinton response - Little or NOTHING

War on Terror - President Bush years - 100 and Al Queda - 0
9/11/2001 - Attack on World Trade Center/Pentagon/
President Bush's response - War on terror on a world footing.
Taken out Taliban - installed democratic government in Afghanistan
Taken out Saddam and Sons.- Installed a democratic government in Iraq
Killed or captured countless Al Queda.

Clinton Vs Osama Bin Laden
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html
Osama bin laden was out in the out in the open. And masterminded the 9/11.

President Bush Vs Osama Bin Laden
Bin Laden has been hiding in a cave. Sending pathetic messages to show the world he is alive.
Now this clown in the Whitehouse is tryig to get the USA back on the pathetic list "please like us" we will strip for you please please like us....disgusting....

Posted by: tell-it-like-it-is-pam | September 18, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I have a problem with dropping the missle shield based on gamesmanship alone. If the Obama administration actually crafted a quid pro quo deal to get help from the Russians in sanctioning Iran, then why would the US discard this valuable trump card early in the game? Especially since it is a defensive weapon system. How is that aggressive? I think the Russian diplomats pulled our pants down this time.
Putin 1 Obama 0

Posted by: seismos123 | September 18, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Or if your opponent has a missile shield you don't bother with missiles, which are expensive. Just put the warhead in a container and freight it to your enemy's harbor. Nothing a missile shield can do about that.

As for noncoastal cities, just ship to a harbor with prevailing winds blowing inward. What you don't get with the blast you get with leukemia.

Nice incentive.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

You and I both know that while this well may be T-Paw's real sentiment (or it might not be at all), it's part of his inevitable move to the right to appeal to the rabid right John-Wayne-Shoot-'Em-Up base. Talk about 'political theatre'!

I wish all these pseudo-warriors would actually experience battle rather than seeing it through Hollywoodian flagwaving from the comfort of their armchairs!

It was inevitable that T-Paw would make this all too necessary move, but it's still disappointing.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | September 18, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

yeah like any of these gooper trolls, imported or domestic, could name a single actual tenet of left wing politics

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

So, no one but "an extreme right wing radical" could ever disagree with this policy decision, right? "Racist" probably, too?

Posted by: JakeD | September 18, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"Democratic National Committee spokesman Hari Sevugan has hit back at Pawlenty following his remarks. "It looks like Tim Pawlenty isn't even going to offer the pretense of being anything but an extreme right wing radical anymore," said Sevugan.

So that makes Obama, what?

Looks then like Obama isn't even going to offer the pretense of being anything but an extreme left wing radical anymore.

Posted by: seanfitz2004 | September 18, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

1) The shield doesn't actually work.

2) It's extremely expensive.

3) The Poles and Czech's don't actually want it.

4) It won't actually stop an Iranian missile.

5) It's pissing off the Russians, whose help we need to contain Iran.

6) It's not 1980.

Posted by: nodebris | September 18, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"It's no secret that Pawlenty has aspirations to run for president and, as a two term-governor, his resume is thin on foreign policy..."

Pawlenty's resume is no thinner than a 2/3 term Illinois Senator's was nine months ago.

Posted by: seanfitz2004 | September 18, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Low and middle altitude missile interception is what the current great powers are going to get together on.

Just watch and admire.

It is important. Russia, America, India and China are going to get together on it.

This is good.

There is no ICBM engineering problem. There is only an ICBM prevention problem.

Do you understand?


Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

hey emmett1.

The technology of missile defense has not advanced in any meaningful way. The tests may show that under the most ideal conditions, e.g. knowing in advance exactly where the one (1) missile will be, yes it is more possible than before to knock it down.

But from the first moment anyone conceived of such a design it was simultaneously realized that it could be overwhelmed by simply firing lots and lots and LOTS of missiles. And it always will be overwhelmable.

If your enemy has a missile defense you simply scrap any notion of limited war and go for global destruction. Nice incentive.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, why do you leftists persist in your "Star Wars" terminology? Missile defense was always just an engineering problem and almost thirty years on, the technology has advanced dramatically, as evidenced by successful tests.

The left always persists in its ideological prejudices, just as it does with its opposition to nuclear power and many of its other antiquated beliefs, most notably its confidence in the efficacy of big government. The liberal religion is the faith of our ruling establishment. Like other faiths, it's impervious to experience and reason.

However, if Iran gets the bomb and ICBMs, we'll all wish we had what you quaintly call "Star Wars Europe".

Posted by: emmet1 | September 18, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Tim Pawlenty is of Polish origin, so it is not surprising that he finds our betrayal of Poland on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939 a bit troubling.

Posted by: ravitchn | September 18, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Re; Savage the choking smoker:

"HO HO HO HEE HEE HEE HA HA HA"
- J. Lennon (1967)

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

hey ac7880 next time think you could work a few thick-witted clichés into your post?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I guess Obama has finished his great world wide appology tour, and is now on to phase 2 - the great appeasement tour.

President appolgy/appeaser will sign away the US on his way to the Socialist States of Amerika.

Posted by: ac7880 | September 18, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

emmet1 is creeping me out, it was like he hacked into me, just to prove what I was saying before I posted

and so I have to leave now.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

What are we the last two laughers?

Savage growled/rasped (in the way only a dying smoker can), "We are not just selling out Poland and Czechoslovakia [sic], Obama is endangering the United States!"

Who knew?

He was really confused about the power of the executive wrt foreign policy. He figured Congress should pass a law to save Star Wars Europe.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama abandoned Poland and the Czech Republic, and by implication Ukraine and Georgia, for what? So Putin would call his capitulation "brave" and stop obstructing the inconsequential START talks?

Yesterday we also found out that Mohammed el Baradei has suppressed an IAEA report showing that Iran is much further along on its nuclear bomb and missile programs than our clueless CIA has estimated. So we're giving up a long-range missile shield we may really need in a few years AND betraying our eastern European allies for essentially nothing.

Obama seems far more interested in promoting his leftist ideology than in protecting America's interests. In a dangerous world where we have real enemies awaiting their opportunities, this won't end well.

Obama may soon be widely recognized as the first anti-American president.

Posted by: emmet1 | September 18, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Mein Gott these n|nn|es are worried about *Russia*

Me, I'm hopping mad about still having to pay taxes to Britain. We REALLY oughta do something about that someday.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like cannula was hoping to parlay his skill at rotating a screwdriver into some rooftop work, and he was all psyched up by the talk of solar panels.

Sorry it didn't work out.

See if you can find some other uses for that screwdriver. I'm sure someone will come to your door soon with a job for you. Fear not, somewhere out there in the big world there's a place for you.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

It is all Hannity and Savage.
Drove for two hours just now scrolling AM radio. The verbiage here is lockstep.

It would be creepy if it were not funny.
Or is it really creepy?

Savage seemed bored by ACORN, though a guest blabber said next week's video(s) will be even bigger.

Now they all want to talk about missiles.
ICBM missiles. Iran, we have to put our star wars fantasy back together again because of Iran's possible ICBMs.

This is what is on AM talk radio this afternoon.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's see how everyone reacts when Putin helps Chavez build up his armament in our backyard. At least Kennedy was smart enough to address this during his administration. You progressives need to consider who Russia is courting if for nothing more than future references. Geo Global domination is a reality comrades.

Posted by: hpnconsult | September 18, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama fooled Jewish voters re: Israel?

I'll prudently and generously ignore the conceit of an illiterate loser at life who thinks he can "get" Obama with some paraphrased Hannity and focus on the presumption.

Long gone are the days when being Jewish meant giving Israel an uncritical pass. The number of Jewish Americans who have serious moral misgivings about supporting Israel reached critical mass years ago. Israel's faithless international dealings, the brutality of its occupation, and the insupportable immorality of the settler movement have convinced a lot of Jews both in and outside of Israel that it's time for some tough love.

You don't know what they hell you're talking about.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"hatetred"

Sometimes the satire writes itself

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama GE and Putin made a deal for what? I call it treason, then Obamas ass---e gesture to do on the aniversary of Russia invading Poland in WW11,completely classless. Poland was so mad they told Hillary pound sand, you are nothing but a liar. Iran has long range Russian rockets to carry nukes just about anywhere, as allways Obama sides against the USA IMPEACHMENT HEARING should start tommorow, what a white flag surrender monkey Obama an unvetted Kenyan born should be removed today, who else has he sold out to? Ben Laden IRAN Saudi Arabia Hugo Chavez his Idol, Castro? He took money from every terror group in the world in his campaign in 08 including FARC Hamas the Iranians through straw donnor bus boys and waiters, everything Obama does is hatetred of our freedoms and what America stands for. I say lets vet him now since the the DNC knew he was not even a US citizen and was Born in Kenya especially Peelosi (more than treason), I leave a link that shows the DNC knew he was ineligible. Last question Obama had a phony birth certificate on his web site until early Oct 08 when he pulled it because every expert proved it was a fraud worse than Dan Blathers Bush Memo. Doesn't that raise red flags? Then goes to Hawaii for a Live Birth no doctors no Hospitals, and the State of Hawaii made a statement that it isn't enough to even get a passport, it was for people who where born some where else. I also leave you with some shocking CNN feed from Kenya where Obama and his Cousin Odinga of the same tribe where campaigning on Islamic Law abnd Making Kenya a Muslim country in 2007. Check these out then pass them Along. Kenya is treason. Bio Railia Odinga, it will make you want to remove Obama on the spot! Pass themm on to everyone.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109363

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Odinga+Obama&aq=f

Posted by: dcsdcs222000 | September 18, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama fooled the Jewish voters last fall in believing he was pro-Israel. Now he has fooled the Europeans in believing he was concerned about their security and deterrence from Russian aggression. He is certainly living up to his joker persona.

Obama's only FP experience was growing up and attending a Muslim school in Indonesia and visiting Pakistan for a couple of weeks when he was in college. His world view appears strongly influenced by Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky and Noam Chomsky.

Posted by: alance | September 18, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Gold/Tanz- Any "Good Paying" Solar Panel Jobs as promised by Obama being created in your neighborhood? Didn't think so- (how many syllables was that?)- a one syllable answer will suffice ...

Posted by: thecannula | September 18, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama surrendered to the Russians without firing a shot.

==

I bet you felt like a serious bigshot when you clicked "Submit" after writing this. Probably popped a few buttons on your shirt puffing out your chest. Wow, you sure showed them liberals! Run over to stormfront now and see if this little bit of bile won you a date with one of the bog-troll girls with the swastika tattoos.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

the dems are falling apart..

==

Yeah they don't even seem to know what year it is, or even what century it is, still fighting old battles and raising dead unimportant wedge issues.

Oh wait that's the GOP doing that, it's the Democrats who're working on the nation's business.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The silver lining with these two-digit barely-literate drudge trolls is that they don't stay here long. If only the Two Stooges would get some wanderlust.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

i've seen some posts on here comparing Obamas FP experience to Pawlenty, which on the surface seems fair. but the difference is Obama has actually thought about this stuff, in depth, for years, and has consulted the best FP minds on the issue. a better comparison is Pawlenty and Palin because it's pretty clear neither of them have ever thought about any matters beyond the borders of their respective states. the hack "appeasement" argument is what every neophyte brings to the table because it drums up some right wing populist fervor. if you're eating up this red meat you're being duped...by pawlenty.

Posted by: DirtyLibrul | September 18, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

It is discouraging that Mr. Cillizza reduces Pawlenty's very serious subject to mere political posturing.

The fact is, the governor is exactly right. The dangerous and clumsy way the president has handled Eastern Europe expands and encourages a newly aggressive Russia and ever aggressive Iran.

As someone else said elsewhere, "It's a sad day when we're no longer on same side as Lech Walesa." Now THERE was a Community Organizer.

Posted by: Carol19 | September 18, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty just shows what a lightweight he is when he wanders into these debates with the worn-out "appeasement" argument. what most people are missing is the Bush Admin plan is still years away, based on technology that is still in development and has yet to be tested. the system going into place is mobile, proven and is an answer to much more real short range threats.

weakness? pffft. puffing up your chest and fronting is weakness. look how that worked for saddam...

Posted by: DirtyLibrul | September 18, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

"... his resume is thin on foreign policy."

Really? About as thin on foreign policy as Obama was when he ran for office. So that should not even be mentioned as a handicap for the guy since it was not a handicap for the anointed one, Obama.

Posted by: jojobber1 | September 18, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

sam_adams & scewjob: right on...love it!

Posted by: yobabe | September 18, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama surrendered to the Russians without firing a shot. This is unilateral disarmament by Barack Obama without anything to show for it.

Posted by: screwjob | September 18, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

buyer's remorse is setting in and it is growing louder...even poor pelosi is tearing up...she can't take the heat...where were her tears the last 8 years as she and others were brutally attacking the previous admin...she can dish it, but sure can't take it...what a joke, it's embarrassing!

the dems are falling apart...what a shock...always over-reaching and out of sync with "main street" (obama loves that phrase..."main street" doesn't he?...in his posh chicago hood...he's lost touch with main street...doesn't care about it either)

Posted by: yobabe | September 18, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

As a citizen of Minnesota I've said this before and now I'll say it again - "Build Bridges, Not Bombs!"

Pawlenty always has been and always will be an empty suit.

Posted by: jborst | September 18, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

This is not about appeasement. It is about a business kickback to Obama's biggest contributer, GE and Jeff Immelt with the new Russian deals.

Where would Obama be without MSNBC & NBC to promote his agenda and act as his rabid attack dogs?

Posted by: Sam_Adams | September 18, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

who's talking about old mccain...it is the reality of your hypocrisy...your guy has NO experience...resume was practically transparent...but, for some reason pawlenty doesn't get a pass for a thicker resume...please

i am not a fan of pawlentym btw...just observing the silliness of your arguments.

Posted by: yobabe | September 18, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

bokonon13- The government can give tax incentives and spur industrial growth, creating jobs- that's what the great orator orated before November.......we're still waiting- 9.7% unemployment across the board- any new solar panel jobs in YOUR neighborhood? please

==

Only a quarter of the voters are amnesiac enough to blame Obama for Bush's mess.

Sorry.

Better hope the American people get stupid enough to vote Republican again. Thanks for leading the charge.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Well for a guy with "no experience" and whose virtues are limited to stirring oratory, Obama sure managed to send John McCain packing.

You uh people have worn this one out.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

ummm...let's see...this article talks about pawlenty's thin foreign policy resume as a reason to talk "muscle"...he was only a governor for 2 terms for goodness sake...AND obama was what for 150+ days...oh, yeah...a very junior senator with absolutely no experience except loving the sound of his own voice while reading a teleprompter. talk about thin resume...wow!

what a bunch of elite hypocrites most of you are...pssshaw.

Posted by: yobabe | September 18, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The voters will never take a candidate seriously who doesn't believe in evolution.

Posted by: Ra__ | September 18, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Tim "I can't get re-elected in Minnesota" Pawlenty raises the specter of Uncle Joe Stalin! I'm wiping a tear from my eye.

Tim and Sarah are pair of book ends with nothing in between.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | September 18, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"any new solar panel jobs in YOUR neighborhood? please"

A few new roads and a big, spanking new medical complex here. Big job creator. We'd hire you, but let's face it, cannula, you're not bright enough.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 18, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

bokonon13- The government can give tax incentives and spur industrial growth, creating jobs- that's what the great orator orated before November.......we're still waiting- 9.7% unemployment across the board- any new solar panel jobs in YOUR neighborhood? please

Posted by: thecannula | September 18, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Really? "Pre"-porting TPaw's remarks at the Values Summit is worth a blog post? And running back to the appeasement line is supposed to be an interesting gambit when we heard it for months last year during the Presidential campaign?

You can do better than this.

Posted by: mnteng | September 18, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

thecannula, you have to remember that ALL economists, of all political backgrounds, have been expecting job creation to lag behind Wall Street by months if not a year or two. I first heard this last year when Chen- uh, Bush was still president.

Keep in mind also that a lot of the joblessness is due to large corps offshoring an increasing percentage of their hiring. There is a limited amount to which the feds can do anything at all about this. I would imagine that you support the private sector as the last word on things economic - well, the private sector cares primarily about the profit and loss of their own businesses. About the health of the employment rate as it relates to the average worker, not so much.

Posted by: bokonon13 | September 18, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

What an opportunistic prig. Why don't you worry about real problems with actual potential to kill people, Governor, like rotting bridges in your state.

It's 2009, not 1955.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 18, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

It is like history just stopped when Ronald Reagan left Hollywood for politics.

Republicans keep saying the same things over and over. As if "the greatest generation" weren't dying off, they think they can scare today's voters with this? They should try to get 'hip'.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Pawlenty. Obama's timing is terrible. I mean, a few months ago, you had Sarah Palin in Alaska watching Russia to make sure they aren't launching ICBMs. But with her running for President, there's no one there. We need the missile defense to make sure people like Stalin and Charlie Chaplin don't nuke us.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 18, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The truth is the incipient short range missile defense agreement between Russia and the US is really bad news for Iran and the jihadis too. If Russia, China, India and the US start to work well together on terror hot spots, things will go a lot better for peace in general.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I believe the hammering should concentrate on JOBS

Yesterday's NY Times-
Unemployment Hits 10.3% in New York City
By PATRICK McGEEHAN
Continuing layoffs on Wall Street drove the city’s jobless rate to a 16-year high in August.

Yep after 9 months of fledgling governance- it's hard to blame the RISING unemployment (9.7% national 9/1/09) on the prior administration....c'est vrai?
The pendulum is going to swing a lot faster than anyone imagined. There's a time for oratory and a time for sleeve rolling. I guess two years of senate experience with no executive experience is costing people their jobs. Well, for a job, even enlightened change lovers will vote for a Republican.

Hey WHERE are all those "Good Paying Jobs" making SOLAR PANELS that Candidate Obama promised? Just another pander uttered in an effort to seem different? Not really CHANGE we can believe in? Oh, I see.....

Posted by: thecannula | September 18, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Well recognized defense expert and next Republican chicken hawk to raise cold war/Nazi fear...who needs Cheney, lets trot out Tim!

Posted by: shrink2 | September 18, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

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