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Rudy Giuliani, Charlie Crist and the Fix endorsement hierarchy

Charlie Crist and Rudy Giuliani in happier days.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani is in Florida today to throw his support behind the Senate candidacy of former state House Speaker Marco Rubio, a bit of political payback directed at Gov. Charlie Crist so great that it has forced us to rename a category in the Fix endorsement hierarchy.

What had previously been known as the "turnabout is fair play" endorsement will now be know as the "what goes around comes around" endorsement or, more simply, "pulling a Rudy".

Before we get to the particulars of Giuliani vs Crist, let's quickly revisit our endorsement hierarchy -- ranked from the most powerful/important to the least. (And, as a reminder, the Fix endorsement hierarchy is an attempt to quantify a variety of political endorsements based on the Sports Guy's "Levels of Losing".)

* The Symbolic Endorsement: Ted Kennedy backing Barack Obama during the 2008 primaries.
* The In-State Statewide Endorsement: Florida Gov. Charlie Crist throwing his support to John McCain just before the Sunshine State presidential primary in 2008.
* The Celebrity Endorsement: Chuck Norris for Mike Huckabee in 2008.
* The Newspaper Endorsement: The Washington Post endorsing state Sen. Creigh Deeds in the 2009 Virginia Democratic gubernatorial primary.
* Out-of-State Statewide Endorsement : South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint endorsing former Florida state House Speaker Marco Rubio in the 2010 Senate primary.
* The Turnabout-Is-Fair-Play Endorsement: New York Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava (R) endorsing Rep. Bill Owens (D) in the 2009 20th district special election.
* The Obligatory Endorsement: Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran endorsing McCain's presidential bid in 2008.
* The Non-Endorsement Endorsement: Former Virginia Gov. Doug Wilder passing on state Sen. Creigh Deeds in the 2009 governor's contest.
* The Pariah Endorsement: Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards (D) endorsing anyone.

The history of the Giuliani-Crist relationship is what makes today's endorsement so delicious.

As the 2008 campaign got underway, it was immediately clear to Giuliani and his inner circle that his best chance to win an early voting state -- given his socially moderate views -- was Florida. Win the Sunshine State and Giuliani would immediately vault into contention, erasing the memories of his non-competitiveness in places like Iowa and South Carolina. (Or so his campaign believed.)

With Florida as a must win, Giuliani began an extended courtship of Crist -- knowing that winning the popular governor's endorsement would give the former Mayor a major leg up in the state's primary.

And, for many months, it appeared that Giuliani was the frontrunner for the coveted endorsement. In fact, Crist visited Giuliani in the Hamptons in July 2007 and, after that visit, the Mayor believed the governor's endorsement was his. (The back and forth of the Giuliani and Crist contretemps is rivetingly recounted in Mark Halperin and John Heilemann's "Game Change".)

Or not.

Crist stunned Giuliani (and the rest of the political world) when, just days before the state's primary in late January 2008, he threw his endorsement behind Sen. John McCain (Ariz.).

Crist's McCain endorsement was seen as the symbolic death knell for Giuliani's campaign as he finished a distant third and dropped from the contest soon after.

The Giuliani forces made little attempt to cover up their contempt for Crist, and Hizzoner clearly laid in wait for a chance to deliver a measure of payback. (Doubt us? On today's conference call announcing his support for Rubio, Giuliani said that Crist "did break his word" on the 2008 endorsement but added that the word-breaking had nothing to do with the Rubio endorsement. Riiiiight.)

While Giuliani's endorsement of Rubio is catnip for the political class, it's important not to overplay its impact on the race in Florida.

The endorsement is rightly understood as a sign of Rubio's continued momentum in the contest as national figures -- those with axes to grind against Crist and those without -- continue to wade into the race on his behalf.

The Giuliani endorsement is a much bigger deal to the professional political class than it is to the average Florida voter. Would Crist have liked to have a Giuliani endorsement? Absolutely. Will his fate in the primary rise or fall because he doesn't have it? Nope.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 5, 2010; 11:53 AM ET
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Just another attempt by the Democrat media to influence the unwary against their opponents.

Posted by: treedbrent | April 6, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this means much, honestly. So Crist choose McCain over Guiliani in the final hours of the 2008 R primary. Yes, it did catapult McCain as the victor. Now McCain, the man who beat Guiliani in that primary, has endorsed Crist. Huckabee & Guiliani has endorsed Rubio. Has Romney endorsed anyone here? Romney came within a hair of winning the 2010 Florida primary. He had much of the support of the Jeb Bush folks there, even though Jeb never formally endorsed anyone. Had Jeb endorsed Romney, Romney would have won Florida then went on to win the Republican nomination and perhaps, the White House. That was not to be, but Jeb definately should have stepped forward in support of Romney. Anyhow, Guiliani is a fiscal conservative and all of the fiscal conservatives in Florida are already totally behind Rubio. This makes this kind of a none story.

Posted by: reason5 | April 6, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow, if you look at the statistics, the person endorsing you can be your worst enemy or friend.....mmmmmm? I wonder what Mr. 911's endorsement does for you? After all, he acts like only the Trade Centers matter. What about the Pentagon? What about Flight 93 and the brave people who died in order to save lives on the ground? A self-centered endorser is a bad thing in my book.

Posted by: krissylynny | April 5, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

What, well now I know definitely not to vote for Rubio. I mean an endorsement from this guy is all the news I need. First of all I don't like fake, hard-right candidates to begin with. I prefer moderates, check out this site by a moderate republican who supports Charlie Crist instead

Posted by: republicanblack | April 5, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

If Giuliani endorsed me for anything, I'd want to go home and take a bath.

Posted by: Casey1 | April 5, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

So Rudy is going to endorse Ricky, after Rudy's 2008 debacle Ricky might want to take a pass.

Posted by: knjincvc | April 5, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Talk about a meaningless gesture. At this point, it's hard to imagine that Christ would give a damn who Rudy endorses, and it's equally baffling to contemplate why the dim witted, right wing marionette, Rubio, would want the grudge endorsement, as he must certainly abhor Rudy's deeper than a puddle record with its occasional lapses into tolerance.

Posted by: Koko3 | April 5, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Darn it Mark, you beat me to the Dominican reference. Pedro Martinez is clearly a NATURAL BORN citizen.


Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 5, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Too funny - hoist on their own petard...
Many conservatives have engaged in a smear campaign against the Census, demonizing the constitutionally mandated decennial count with outlandish conspiracy theories and violent rhetoric. Former Bush adviser Karl Rove, however, is now appearing in a public service announcement “designed to convince people to mail back their 2010 census forms by the end of the month.” Watch it:

Part of the reason that Rove might now be interested in giving a boost to the Census is that after all the right-wing misinformation, Republican areas in places like Texas have had lower rates of return in sending back their forms, which determine political representation and federal funding"

Posted by: drindl | April 5, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't throw a baseball - it is a sure sign he is not an American.

The CIA and military intelligence have some sure-fire ways to determine if someone is American.

Americans know certain things - like how many home runs Babe Ruth had, or which team Lou Gehrig played for.

A trip-up on these kinds of things is usually a give-away that - no matter how good one's English is - that the person is not American.

Look at how Obama throws a baseball. He is not an American. It is pretty simple. The democrats don't even try to defend this. It is proof.




Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse



I guess those blacks are ahead of the 50 million tea partiers in "violence"

What do you think broadwayjoe ???

You should know what happened last night because you live there, right ?


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Run Charlie Run ... an endorsement from Rudy is somewhat like Jack the Ripper endorsing Chicago Cutlery ...

Posted by: mcordray | April 5, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Ped, how was your weekend working on Penelope Pussycat's pit crew? any advice for the car shoppers this week?

how about Defeat Socialism, buy Ford.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Republicans don't stand a chance if Dems make their message heard.


everytime berry makes another speech his ratings plummet a few more points. PLease do keep getting your message out. the message of taxes, weakness, regulation, economic ruin, joblessness, big IRS, strong enemies, allies fleeing, indecision, fecklessness, broken promises, corruption, cheating, bribes, etc. your message is being heard loud and clear. Hence the slumping polls.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Mark, it's pretty tricky to throw a strike without some muscle memory. Your angle is pretty tight. That's why Obama overthrew Zimmerman. Actually, if Zimmerman were standing, it would have just looked like a normal toss since the guy wouldn't have to spring out of a crouch or anything.

MMeyers, Republicans have always been really moronic policywise, but have been able to survive from a good political strategy as well as an opponent who was convinced their positions were so evident that they needed no explanation. One thing we saw with Obama was someone who was willing to go out there and fight. We see that more and more with Democrats. Republicans don't stand a chance if Dems make their message heard.

But under Steele, the Republican politics operation is starting to show some cracks. Yeah, he can raise money, but these gaffes will cost them. If they can't run a smooth political operation, it's done. The country is maturing faster than they are past the wedge issues and the xeno/homophobia that Republican politics is based on. They simply cannot survive a fair battle of ideas if Dems show up.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 5, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

37, do you have a couple of dollars to lend Mikey so he can make it "rain" in the VIP room?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 5, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Whenever I see some old 70's era movie about New York, I always notice the seedy depiction of Times Square and the assumption about the deadly crime. I always think, that was before Rudy."

They should appoint him to head the RNC.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 5, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

News flash! Some Taiwanese engineers played Little League and have no dreaded hitch! We are so lucky.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 5, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

BB and bsimon, rumor has it that all Dominican males under the age of 22 will be documented as American citizens, because they have no hitch in their motion[s].

This was afoot early in the GWB Admin but they got distracted by WMD. Now that the economy is turning around, more high achieving furriners are needed to boost the recovery. Taiwanese and Indian engineers all have the dreaded hitch, but Dominicans do not. If they cannot make it to the high minors they will work 'struction or chase after Madonna. No harm, no foul.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 5, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Having a nice Cayman vacation, zouk? Posting here more than ever.

Wow you really know how to let your hair down!

Posted by: Noacoler | April 5, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

FYI, our candidates just closed one of the best quarters in fundraising history.

In the minority no less.

the parties are mostly irrelevant in the new fundraising climate post McCain-Feingold or as it is fondly called, the NYTimes controlled era. Intelligent and reasoned judges have begin to correct past mistakes already.

you Libs are going the way of the dinosaur, make that the leftist media now. I hope you liked the thrill of ruling the demise of the empire while you could. don't worry, we will try our best to put it back together properly after you are gone. Reagan cleaned up after Jimmy and it hurt bad but we recovered. someone will have to do the same after berry.

but the voters are awake now and no longer foooled by the Dear Reader Comrade Zero rhetoric and empty promises. a new realism is upon the land. no more free lunches from lifetime politicians.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Broadway, I was also impressed by Cillizza's first post this morning. The idea that the GOP brand is so despised that they cannot even do fund raising in their own name is pretty remarkable. Oh well, they just wink and create a new fund rasing group that doesn't have "Republican" in its name. Couple that with McCain, their pResidential candidate, needing help from a non-entity like Palin, and Giuliani, abandoning his moderate principles to align himself with the next scary thing and you get a pretty sad picture of the Republican Party's future. Old, scared, dwindling, and operating only in 'reaction mode' because they have no plans.

Of course, the fact that Obama has lowered taxes for most Americans, gas prices are steady, inflation is steady, home sales are up, new jobs are appearing, the stock market may go over 11K this week and ... well, it looks like the Democrats have co-opted the whole Republican platform.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 5, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse



This is a joke.

The story is that OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS - including your posting at 9am today - continue to ATTEMPT TO SMEAR 50 MILLION AMERICANS AS RACIST.

And then you call them violent too.

You completely ignore all the ACTUAL VIOLENCE in Chicago, New York and Washington - are you that out of touch with reality ???


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

zouk/mooned, go back to your, er, web photos. The fundraising crisis at the RNC IS a real NEWS story, the type this blog usually avoids. Mooned, BTW, do you have a couple of dollars for Mike Steele to use in the VIP room? Just askin'.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 5, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

If not for Daily Kos, poor Baghdad BJ would not have a thought in his empty little head.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

And somehow I doubt that you make over 250k a year so the sunsets won't affect you in 2011.


It does not have to affect any one person in particular to be considered wrong, immoral, economically naive or foolhardy. As we are seeing, berry is wrecking our economy step by step. Even if you are living on his handouts, you should be opposed to this affront to Americanism.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 5, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Whenever I see some old 70's era movie about New York, I always notice the seedy depiction of Times Square and the assumption about the deadly crime. I always think, that was before Rudy.

In about ten years we will have the same phenom in movies from the 90's. People going into hospitals and finding American doctors, getting advanced treatment, etc. We will all think, that was before Obama.

Likewise any movie that depicts successful business or any wealth at all will be fondly recalled as BP - Before Pelosi.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

bsimon, he has a hitch like someone who never played baseball. On the other hand, he cleanly canned three consecutive 18+ foot shots against Clark Kellogg to beat him at H-O-R-S-E. He starts slow but then he comes back.

Kellogg was a rebounder, not a three point shooter, so the win is not so impressive. However, BHO's demeanor under pressure is notable. While some may laugh at his pitching, I will give him credit for his ease shooting treys in shirt and tie, when he was three letters down.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 5, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

37th and 0 street...the biggest tax increase in American history ? have you even researched the increases over the last 50 years ? You're an imbecile. And somehow I doubt that you make over 250k a year so the sunsets won't affect you in 2011.

As for Obama being an American... the riddles were for answers to sports related questions not to athletic prowess.

In short you are a simpleton. You should depart on the next flight..preferrably to Mars. Or somewhere more permanent. We don't need a nation of FOOLS.

We should go for a catch sometime...I think we might find that you too will have a problem.

Posted by: tutnyc | April 5, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

GOP-in-trouble true narrative...

From DailyKos:

"Oh, and more bad news for Steele. Steele's newest fundraising aide misused tens of thousands of dollars from the D.C. Baseball PAC and the D.C. Baseball Association, some for personal purposes. Meanwhile, major RNC donors are bailing -- and former chairman Ed Gillespie is setting up what amounts to a $50 million shadow RNC."

A shadow RNC? Major fundraisers--old money--bailing on GOP. Developing...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 5, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Rudy knows that he'll never be elected to anything ever again. He also knows that his business is collapsing (it's never good when your aide-de-camp and personal recommendation for Homeland Security chief is carted off to jail).

So...what does he have left? Make endorsements, appear on Fox "News," make dumb statements ("There were no terrorist attacks under George W. Bush"), and otherwise try to be a "playa" on the national scene.

His goal? Try to live until 2024 or so, when the Republicans have another shot at winning the White House, and then beg and plead to be appointed to something.

Posted by: Bondosan | April 5, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Ever wonder why they have a third baseman catch the Present ident's pitch?

think about it.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

President Barack Obama threw it very high and wide, but at least he didn’t bounce it.
His pitch forced Nationals third baseman Ryan Zimmerman to stand and lunge to haul it in.

Throwing from the stretch, the left-hander president had a hitch in his delivery. Obama, an avid basketball player who has said baseball does not come naturally to him, was clearly going to err on throwing it too far rather than too short.

He might have been trying to make up for his opening toss at last year’s All-Star game in St. Louis, when Cardinals first baseman Albert Pujols saved him the embarrassment of a short hop by moving up to scoop the low pitch inches off the ground.


translation: He throws like a girl. not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think ballet is more his style.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

BTW, who is Audra Shay endorsing? Who's Marcus Epstein backing. James O'Keefe's favorite? What's the scoop on tea bag pResident Dale Robertson's fave? What's the real insider GOP stuff?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 5, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Obama can't throw a baseball - it is a sure sign he is not an American."

I understand that the State Dept will soon stop issuing passports & the INS will ask border crossers to pitch some strikes as proof of citizenship.

One unanticipated impact may be a de facto grant of citizenship to Cubans; Major League Baseball is said to support this loophole.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 5, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

So happy to see Rudy is backing Marco Rubio, instead of the RINO flop-flopper, Charlie Crist!

WTG, Rudy!

Marco Rubio for US Senate - November 2010

Posted by: priley8104 | April 5, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't throw a baseball - it is a sure sign he is not an American.


Well he has been practicing all week. all the state business has been on hold while Obambi tries to appear manly and strong to the rubes. I wonder if he'll wear the Mom jeans again?

I remember Bush strolling out and throwing a hard fastball right down the middle, no practice, no self doubt. Of course he could also talk to a kindergarten class without a teleprompter.

Poor berry. Weak all around.

Heard in the halls of the white house:

-Rahm, how can I appear to be tough and strong. Lat year my pitch didn't even make it to the plate and wearing Michelle's jeans did not go over well.

-Well, you could try a little ballet. Or prance around the showers naked. that always works for me.

-you think? I hear the russians like ballet too. Can I borrow your tutu?

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

One of the unnoticed ironies of Giuliani's visit that he spoke at Mel's Diner in Sarasota, FL. The next day area Mel's establishments were closed!

Posted by: johncbonser | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Well we all know how well Mayor 9/11 did in the Florida primary. The main ones backing Rubio are the Tea Baggers. I wonder how many Independents and even GOP leaning left will vote for Rubio come November.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | April 5, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't throw a baseball - it is a sure sign he is not an American.

The CIA and military intelligence have some sure-fire ways to determine if someone is American.

Americans know certain things - like how many home runs Babe Ruth had, or which team Lou Gehrig played for.

A trip-up on these kinds of things is usually a give-away that - no matter how good one's English is - that the person is not American.

Look at how Obama throws a baseball. He is not an American. It is pretty simple.




Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's weird how zook thinks that being a woman is such an insult. He thinks the pronoun "she" is derisive. Oooh, he called CF8 a woman!

An intellectual who copies and pastes from other sites.
An economist who hates money.
A ladies' man who looks derisively at the whole gender.

Good job, zook. Why don't you make a new screen name to show us how big your internet penis really is?

Posted by: DDAWD | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Of course it is the most useless pap ever written, except most of her entries on this blog."

King_of_zouk: 9 posts
37th & O: 5 posts
JakeD2: 1 post

post count (before this one): 28

By george, I think he's got it. Most of the posts to this blog ARE the most useless pap ever.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 5, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

MM, it would be unkind to engage with someone as obviously intellectually challenged as you are. Please forgive us for ignoring you. you will feel much better as a result.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

After the Model Mayhem thing, Zouky, we all have a clear understanding of how you view women... and that view is that it's best if a man has enough money in his pocket to get them to take their clothes off.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Man, Republicans really hate money, don't they? It reminded me of how they were so derisive of suggestions to keep tires properly inflated to save on gas or to paint roofs to save on energy costs.

It's weird. They are so accustomed to government handouts that they seem to forget that there are other ways to make money than to sit around and wait for the next huge tax cut.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

More lies, surrender and weakness:

Our aim is not incremental sanctions, but sanctions that will bite.'' Thus did Secretary of State Hillary Clinton seek to reassure the crowd at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee two weeks ago about the Obama Administration's resolve on Iran. Three days later, this newspaper reported on its front page that "the U.S. has backed away from pursuing a number of tough measures against Iran" in order to win Russian and Chinese support for one more U.N. sanctions resolution. This fits the pattern we have seen across the 14 months of the Obama Presidency


Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

37th at al:

If you want a really good belly laugh go to:

this is advice for women by women. Of course it is the most useless pap ever written, except most of her entries on this blog.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

How phony is Barack Obama? PBS Washington Week host Gwen Ifill reviewed New Yorker editor David Remnick's new Obama book The Bridge in the Washington Post Outlook section Sunday, and she kept finding Obama is a Slick Barry, a "shape shifter." Obama even admitted to rhetoric what should be obvious -- how he changes "dialects" depending on the audience he's talking to: Obama cops to this.

Even Obama's Fans Notice He's a Phony
In How He Writes, Talks, and Even Walks

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

His wandering approach might not matter if Obama weren’t being billed as the chief salesman of the health-care overhaul. Public opinion on the bill remains divided, and Democratic officials are planning to send Obama into the country to persuade wary citizens that it will work for them in the long run.

It was not evident that he changed any minds at Friday’s event. The audience sat politely, but people in the back of the room began to wander off.

And, of course, he never answered the lady’s question. Why is it we are raising taxes for those making less than $200,000? Why are we raising $52.3 billion in new taxes over 10 years? Obama has no response, or no effective one, to these queries; so he vamps and bloviates, as he did in the health-care summit when confronted with troublesome facts to which he had no adequate response (e.g., Rep.Paul Ryan’s list of fiscal tricks). Just as he failed to keep the attention of the Charlotte crowd, he’s long since lost the American people who now tune him out. Eloquent? Hardly. Persuasive? Not in the least, as evidenced by multiple polls showing that a large majority of Americans aren’t buying his health-care arguments. (And he’s eroding his party’s credibility on issues over which they previously held a commanding advantage. Rasmussen reports, for example: “Following the passage of the health care bill, 53% now say they trust Republicans on the issue of health care. Thirty-seven percent (37%) place their trust in Democrats.”)

His rhetoric (which to the amazement of many conservatives – who noticed he was largely talking New Age gibberish during the campaign – transfixed a great number of people for a very long time) is now seen for what it is — a smokescreen for bad ideas and an exercise in misdirection. Unfortunately for Obama, he may discover that once the president has lost the interest and trust of the voters, it’s hard to get these precious commodities back.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The mainstream media is slowly waking up to the fact that Obama is a bore. No, really. He’s long since stopped saying anything new or interesting, and he talks constantly, at great length. So when he went into a mind-numbing filibuster to a perfectly reasonable question from a woman at a Q&A session in Charlotte as to whether it was smart to throw a load of new taxes into health-care “reform,” not even the Washington Post’s Anne Kornblut could conceal her — and the audience’s — disdain for the Condescender in Chief:

He then spent the next 17 minutes and 12 seconds lulling the crowd into a daze. His discursive answer — more than 2,500 words long — wandered from topic to topic, including commentary on the deficit, pay-as-you-go rules passed by Congress, Congressional Budget Office reports on Medicare waste, COBRA coverage, the Recovery Act and Federal Medical Assistance Percentages (he referred to this last item by its inside-the-Beltway name, “F-Map”). He talked about the notion of eliminating foreign aid (not worth it, he said). He invoked Warren Buffett, earmarks, and the payroll tax that funds Medicare (referring to it, in fluent Washington lingo, as “FICA”). . .

Halfway through, an audience member on the riser yawned.

But Obama wasn’t finished. He had a “final point,” before starting again with another list — of three points.

“What we said is, number one, we’ll have the basic principle that everybody gets coverage,” he said, before launching into the next two points, for a grand total of seven.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't throw a baseball - it is a sure sign he is not an American.

The CIA and military intelligence have some sure-fire ways to determine if someone is American.

Americans know certain things - like how many home runs Babe Ruth had, or which team Lou Gehrig played for.

A trip-up on these kinds of things is usually a give-away that - no matter how good one's English is - that the person is not American.

Look at how Obama throws a baseball. He is not an American. It is pretty simple.




Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The Capone Administration is in desperate straights.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

What we have right now is Obama and the democrats ATTEMPTING TO SMEAR 50 MILLION AMERICANS -

For what purpose ? Because they didn't support the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.


This is not how we do it in America.




Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani is irrelevant.

Posted by: jckdoors | April 5, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse


You're an anti-terrorism GOP icon. How about taking a stand against this DOMESTIC terrorism? (See below:)

Victims of Secret Extrajudicial Fusion Center Torture Matrix Demand:


Posted by: scrivener50 | April 5, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Islamist militants attacked a U.S. consulate in northwest Pakistan with car bombs and grenades Monday, killing three people, hours after 41 people died in a suicide attack on a political rally elsewhere in the region.
time for more bowing, scraping and apologizing. Maybe we could attack Israel. that might do it.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

mMrgaret, Rudy's incredibly mean and petty. You should have had to read the years of very public and bitter back and forth between he and his wife [while his children were still younger] about his very public mistresses.

It was nasty. And the things he said to firefighters who were angry over his negligence on 9/11 and afterwards, and the resulting unnecessary illness and deaths of their members, was just execrable.

Posted by: drindl | April 5, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

No one is talking about the democrats taking this seat.

Unemployment, Obama taxes - everything is weighing down Florida's economy.

AND Obama really doesn't want to do anything about it - he would rather TAX the economy.


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

This makes me sad. Our legislators are more interested in smack-down and getting-even than they are in good governance or even supporting their own political viewpoint.

If moderate Republican Giuliani had backed moderate Republican Crist I would have congratulated him an he would have increased his own stature in his party. Giuliani has no future in elected office, so why isn't he using what power he has to improve the position of the moderates in his own party? Why isn't Mccain doing the same thing? Instead Giuliani has thrown his, very limited, profile behind Rubio and the Wingnuts. He looks like just another b@ll-less wonder of the GOP.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 5, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Come on People OK you have take the narrow portion of the Florida electorate which has any ties to New York - then you have to take the democrats out of there - so you have ONLY those who are going to vote in the Republican primary.

THEN - you have to estimate how many of those were going to vote for Crist to begin with - and how many were going to vote for Rubio.

THEN - estimate the CHANGES in those totals - which are influenced by Giuliani

Very small, almost tiny.



Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

More important in FLA is the teabagger infighting -- and the fat that Rubio won't talk to them, causing mamy to say they will just sit out this election:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Florida has a Tea Party and a tea party movement, and no, they are not the same thing.

As thousands of angry conservative voters began protesting 'big government' and federal spending, Fred O'Neal decided to tap into that energy and create a state-recognized political party - the Tea Party. The party now has a candidate on the 2010 ballot to challenge Democratic U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson.

But many tea party activists don't agree with the strategy. They want to be a force of change that backs candidates who share their beliefs - not a third party that could split votes and benefit Democratic candidates.

"There's been a steady campaign to try to drive a wedge between the Tea Party and the other people in the tea party movement," O'Neal acknowledged. "They're trying to basically discredit what we're doing."
While O'Neal is hearing from some local groups interested in connecting with the party, he's also facing a lawsuit filed by other leaders who don't want him to have the rights to the name.

"The tea party movement at some level was supposed to transcend parties, not turn into one," said Willie Lawson, who runs a Tampa-area conservative Internet radio talk show. "They're really fashioning their whole paradigm after something that doesn't work. That seems insane to me."

chaos ensues.

Read more:

Posted by: drindl | April 5, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Blarg writes
"This endorsement has an interesting back story, but it's meaningless. Who cares about Giuliani? If Florida Republicans liked Giuliani, they'd have voted for him in the primary."

That's a pretty good point.

"Giuliani's endorsement may sway a portion of those transplanted New Yorker snowbirds."

Maybe, but it depends on how many of them are registered to vote in FL vs NY. Then it depends on how many of them are actually Repubs. Lastly, given how many of the NY Dems that post here say that Giuliani has lost his credibility in NY, how much of that has flown south with the bluehairs?

And if Giuliani is a 'moderate', why is he endorsing Rubio - other than to tweak Crist?

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 5, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

This is just a demonstration of what New Yorkers -- especially New York firefighters, who loathe Guiliani -- already know. Rudy is about nothing but greed and grudges.

Rudy is as unpopular in FLA as he is in NY, and with good reason. Won't mean a thing.

Posted by: drindl | April 5, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Afghan President Hamid Karzai threatened over the weekend to quit the political process and join the Taliban if he continued to come under outside pressure to reform.

Iraq has gone to Iran to figure out how to form a government, berry has not been able to call since the election.

KSM is in limbo as berry thinks about his options.

Meanwhile, back at the white house:

Spokesman Robert Gibbs says Obama has hurling pitches at personal assistant Reggie Love and White House trip director Marvin Nicholson, as he prepared with workouts in the White House Rose garden.

you got to have your priorities.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani would only back a dedicated freedom hating enemy of the US Constitution.
This cross dressing fascist belongs in an institute for the criminally insane.

Posted by: brattykathyi1 | April 5, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Blarg, I have to agree with the poster who suggested the RG endorsement was worth something - especially with Italian and Jewish retirees from NYC who were going to vote R anyway. It may be a small % of the vote in the nation's third largest state, but it is like another nail in [this] Crist. By all accounts Crist has been a good governor but the purging of the centrist Rs will end his elective career.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 5, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani ran a horrible campaign - he really didn't have much right to any endorsements by the time Florida came around.

Add to that the truth that Giuliani was really a bad Mayor too.

The police ran wild in New York during Giuliani's term - there were hundreds of lawsuits against the city.

Giuliani left his high-profile wife - who was a local news anchor - as well - that did not look good.

If it wasn't for 9/11, Giuliani's reputation would be tarnished - and rightly so.

So who cares about this endorsement ? No one.

How many votes does it bring ?? If Giuliani moves to Florida, one.




Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Blarg has crawled out from under a rock ???

Maybe it's broadwayjoe


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse


Giuliani's endorsement may sway a portion of those transplanted New Yorker snowbirds.

Posted by: JakeD2 | April 5, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The legendary King Midas was given the gift of the golden touch; everything he touched would turn to gold. Excited at first, he learned the price of greed when the food he tried to eat turned to gold and when he even turned his own daughter into a hunk of gold.
King Obama, twentieth century America, has a magic touch, too. Everything he touches turns to ... well ... donkey dust... owl hockey... bull shavings... bunny pellets... that sort of thing.

Unemployment remains at nearly ten percent and underemployment at around twenty percent, despite the stimulus.

The deficit is soaring to trillions of dollars.

The healthcare reform bill is now revealing itself to be a huge financial burden to businesses and state Medicaid programs alike, running into the billions of dollars of additional costs.

Because of mandates, insurance rates will increase further.

Social Security is in the red in 2010.

The national debt stands at $12 trillion. This is a tax liability of $40,000 for every American and $160,000 for a household of four. At the Tea Party protest at the Capitol on March 21, a little girl, who looked to be about nine, held a sign that read:


Debt is projected to be at $20 trillion by 2020.

America's traditional allies (Canada, Britain, France, Israel, Poland and others) have been so frequently insulted and treated with disdain by the administration that relations are severely strained.

Obama stands at the helm, serenely oblivious, chin jutted into the air, reminiscent of those grainy old World War II films of Benito Mussolini on the balcony, while he jokingly maligns the American people.

Liberals are desperate to talk about anything but berry's record.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This endorsement has an interesting back story, but it's meaningless. Who cares about Giuliani? If Florida Republicans liked Giuliani, they'd have voted for him in the primary.

Posted by: Blarg | April 5, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

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