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Bayh's out, Ellsworth's In (and other political news)

For an hour earlier today, we fielded questions from Fixistas about the emerging developments in the Indiana Senate race, who else might retire and, of course, our ongoing search for a sponsor for our "Live Fix" chat.

A few of our favorite questions and answers are below. The whole transcript is here.

Q. Brad Ellsworth
So why do you think Brad Ellsworth is a good recruit for Indiana Senate? Here is my take: This is a year for outsider/populist campaigns. Ellsworth is a Blue Dog, and nobody with a vote likes Blue dogs right now. Blue dogs are among the most insider-ish groups in Washington, as their funding is largely connected to lobbyists, especially for hated industries like Insurance and Finance. Nominating Ellsworth is a grave misreading of the mood of the electorate.

A. Chris Cillizza:
Interesting point.

I would say Ellsworth is a pretty good recruit because he has a proven record of winning in a very tough district, is telegenic and gives off the sort of "common sense" approach to government that people seem to crave right now.

I agree with you that this is an outsider political climate but there weren't a lot of great options for Democrats. Jim Schellinger, who ran and lost a Democratic gubernatorial primary in 2008, was a possibility but might have been seen as too risky.

That's the conundrum in candidate recruiting. Do you go with a known entity who might be subject to being attacked as an insider? Or an unproven outsider who could implode?

Q. Bayh's retirement
Did Bayh's retirement stem from a undisclosed medical condition?

A. Chris Cillizza:
I don't think so.

I take Bayh at his word. And that word is that he was sick of serving in the Senate, sick of the lack of productivity legislatively and sick of the partisanship.

Remember that Bayh has been in the public spotlight almost since birth and in elected office since he was 30 years old.

After more than two decades in that life, it sounds like he just wanted to try something else.

Q. "political" movies
How do you define "political" for a political movie? Does Citizen Kane count? Primary Colors?

A. Chris Cillizza:

I would say both count. Political, by my definition, would be a movie that has some significant character or storyline that has to do with a politician or political party.

Make sense? And let's hear some suggestions!

By Chris Cillizza  |  February 19, 2010; 3:30 PM ET
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Myths are for prescientific societies and small children.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 21, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama's health care plan is going to be the ENRON OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.


It is that simple.

ACCOUNTING TRICKS.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 21, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans should CONCENTRATE ON THE ACCOUNTING TRICKS - constantly change the subject to the REAL COSTS OF THE HEALTH CARE PLAN.


Obama is being irresponsible with the finacial aspects of the plan.


The Republicans should keep on constantly referring to the ACCOUNTING TRICKS.


- the $500 Billion cut from Medicare


- is that $500 Billion being spent twice


- the taxes kick in early, the benefits three years later.


ACCOUNTING TRICKS


ACCOUNTING TRICKS


ACCOUNTING TRICKS


Then the Republicans should say what REAL COST of the plan is - in the second 10 year period - and ASK OBAMA TO SAY HOW HE WILL PAY FOR THAT.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 21, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"The dangers of "death panels" were explained to Americans on Sarah Palin's Facebook page. Oh, sweet Lord, she must not sleep at night...her grandson could be the next victim of "socialized medicine".

Recently released documents from the custody battle show clearly Tripp Palin Johnston has socialized health care through Indian Health Services and the Alaska Native Medical Center.

Palin's family has federally funded health care afforded to them...but if you had it Barack Obama might kill you. Put this on the list of Palin's Greatest Hypocritical Hits...volume 97."

Posted by: drindl | February 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Look -- Petreus derides the wingnuts:

"Gen. David Petraeus, the military hero of the Republican (and even non-Republican) masses and the current leader of U.S. Central Command, cast himself as decidedly outside the Dick Cheney school of counter-terrorism thought on Sunday.

Appearing on Meet the Press, the general made a compelling case against torturing terrorist detainees, saying he found it far more pragmatic and beneficial to stick to methods authorized by the army field manual.

"I have always been on the record, in fact, since 2003, with the concept of living our values. And I think that whenever we've perhaps taken expedient measures, they've turned around and bitten us in the backside. We decided early on, in the 101st airborne division, we just said, we decided to obey the Geneva Conventions...

"In the cases where that is not true [where torture takes place or international human rights groups aren't granted access to detention sites] we end up paying a price for it, ultimately," he added. "Abu Ghraib and other situations like that are non biodegradable. They don't go away. The enemy continues to beat you with them like a stick.... Beyond that, frankly, we have found that the use of interrogation methods in the army field manual that was given the force of law by Congress, that that works."

Petraeus wasn't done there. In another contrast with former Vice President Cheney -- as well as the vast majority of congressional Republicans -- he reiterated his support for closing Gitmo."

Posted by: drindl | February 21, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

37 -- why not just change your name to the Lonely Guy and get it over with?

Do you have parents, friends, a job, any social life at all?

Posted by: drindl | February 21, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse


Obama is really playing with fire on health care right now - he is risking pushing all the moderate democrats off a cliff - and the downticket democrats are going to get slammed.


I have never seen such an irresponsible President with his own party.


Obama truly has no idea what he is doing - Is anyone talking to him? Who are the old line guys in the Congress who can come to him and tell him what a disaster he is creating now ???

It was one thing for Obama to pull this refusal to be bipartisan thing last year, when not so many people are watching.


But now everyone is watching - this conference will be highlighted - and Obama apparently is pulling the same thing - so why would Obama do that ??? Why would he expose himself again ??? This is a disaster - the moderate democrats are furious - they want to put this mess behind them.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 21, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Evan Bayh has an op-ed in the NYT. I'm sorry to say I took the time to read it, ten minutes of my life irretrievably lost. Better spent counting the flowers on my wallpaper.

So obsequiously nonpartsan I wanted to gag.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 21, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

garbage

Posted by: Noacoler | February 21, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I hate to tell everyone this.... but reconcilation needs 60 votes on several procedural aspects of getting the legislation through the Senate.


Lawrence O'Donnell was on MSNBC the other day - AND HE SAID THE SAME THING.

Apparently, the liberals have gotten themselves into such a delusional state that they refuse to check the facts - they are in a state of group-speak - anything outside is ignored.


Rahm Emmanuel does not know the rules of the Senate.

WE ALL KNOW THAT OBAMA DOES NOT KNOW THE RULES OF THE SENATE - BOY IS THAT A LAUGH - but who in the White House knows the rules of the Senate ? Who is giving them this advice that they have the reconciliation option available to them ???


It is like a bad rumor that got out.

This is incompetence way beyond anything I have seen... ever.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 21, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

The problem with you two Blade and Noacoler, besides the obvious - is you rarely address the issue at hand.

All you two do is complain like ninnies.

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Obama is a hypocrite


What did Obama do in Baltimore ? Grand-STAND


What did Obama do after the meeting with the Republicans ? Obama rushed to talk to the reporters before anyone.


Obama's attitude is the same as with the race card - Only he is allowed to play the race card.


IS ANYONE ELSE COMPLETELY SICK OF HIM YET ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 21, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Come on BB, 37th doesn't do posts, he does filler. He doesn't want discussion, he wants to make discussion impossible, and in the absence of moderation he's pretty much succeeded.

Much easier to destroy than to create.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 20, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

No, we're just sick of the same, repetitive, off-topic posts.

B

B

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 20, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Not of Obama but everyone who tries to post here is certainly sick of you, idiot-child. Go suck a tailpipe, would you?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 20, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a hypocrite


What did Obama do in Baltimore ? Grand-STAND


What did Obama do after the meeting with the Republicans ? Obama rushed to talk to the reporters before anyone.

Obama's attitude is the same as with the race card - Only he is allowed to play the race card.

IS ANYONE ELSE COMPLETELY SICK OF HIM YET ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 20, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a hypocrite


What did Obama do in Baltimore ? Grand-STAND


What did Obama do after the meeting with the Republicans ? Obama rushed to talk to the reporters before anyone.

Obama's attitude is the same as with the race card - Only he is allowed to play the race card.

IS ANYONE ELSE COMPLETELY SICK OF HIM YET ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 20, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | February 20, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I take it that the glitch in the Matrix is over.

It'd be nice to see political movies broadened to shows. Yes, Minister, deserves high praise. And for newsrooms (off topic, I know), I'd go for Drop the Dead Donkey.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 20, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

i thought zouk/moonbat/drivel was bad, but 37 has got to be the lonelinest guy on earth.

Posted by: drindl | February 20, 2010 3:45 PM
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Hope 37 wins the debate with...himself.

If all BHO has to deal with in 2012 are Bayh, Palin, and the numerous non-entities (see Pawlenty), he's in great shape. Whether Palin runs or not she will mess up the landscape enough to make BHO a shoo-in. If she doesn't run, the "base" (the teabaggers, the separatists, the Klan, the militia, etc.) will complain the multiculturalists drove her out and they won't vote for the GOP nominee. George Will says that if she's nominated, she'll lose "44 states." Ouch. Go, Sarah-cuda.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 20, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Look. A stooge only marathon.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 20, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"'CPAC Conference Dissolves Into Right-Wing Civil War Over Gay Rights'

LOL

Posted by: drindl"

I didn't even know there was a debate over gay rights among Republicans.

Log cabin Republicans crack me up. They want to be in a political party that despises them because they believe in fiscal responsibility, which Republicans don't practice.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 20, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't it time for a journalist to determine the real reason for the retirement instead of transcribing Bayh's press release? Does it have to do with his alleged conflict of interest fighting health care reform while his wife received millions from Big Insurance, as some have reported/speculated?

Posted by: broadwayjoe"

You know, this is one of the most reasonable explanations I've heard for quitting the Senate. Can you just imagine going to work every day with 40 armpegs and saying, "hey, guys, you think we could get some work done today instead of ranting about democraps?"

That anyone can stand doing this for two days much less two terms is astounding.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 20, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

i thought zouk/moonbat/drivel was bad, but 37 has got to be the lonelinest guy on earth.

Posted by: drindl | February 20, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

It is true, Joe. I won't miss him.. but if you like him, you'll love Dan Coats. The ultimate insider, a lobbyist for 10 years for Big Pharma and Big Finance, like Goldman Sachs... if Rs and TPers weren't hypocrites, they'd throw a hissy fit about this guy.

But like the whipped little you-know-whats they are, they will dutifully vote for whomever Rush tells them to.

Posted by: drindl | February 20, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

37, looking at the posts today, almost all are yours. Do you ever get the sense of, well, talking to yourself?

Please continue this 37 v. 37 dialogue and tell me who wins.

All the best.
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The he's-sick-of-the-Senate explanation for why Bayh is retiring was lampooned today in a Boston Globe cartoon in the Post's print version. In it, Bayh's shown as a football player walking away from the huddle, muttering "I quit. Politics have gotten too political."

Isn't it time for a journalist to determine the real reason for the retirement instead of transcribing Bayh's press release? Does it have to do with his alleged conflict of interest fighting health care reform while his wife received millions from Big Insurance, as some have reported/speculated?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 20, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

dingbat moonbat has absolutely nothing to contribute, so resorts to infantile name-calling. but that's what frat boys do, isn't it?

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probably been years since he got a weekend pass

Posted by: Noacoler | February 20, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Looks like dribbls flood of sewage is now underway. Pent up looniness.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 20, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

'Former Bush Treasury Secretary Describes Eric Cantor As A Policy Dunce'

more laff fodder

Posted by: drindl | February 20, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

'CPAC Conference Dissolves Into Right-Wing Civil War Over Gay Rights'

LOL

Posted by: drindl | February 20, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse


'Earlier this month, ThinkProgress reported a comment made by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) in favor of eliminating entitlement programs. To deal with the national debt, Bachmann suggested that the government should ultimately “wean everybody” off Social Security and Medicare. In this month’s edition of Esquire magazine, Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-MN) seemed to rebuke Bachmann’s call for eliminating entitlements, saying Republicans should never try to “abolish or reduce” Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid:

ESQ: Or how about the Social Security Act? Is Social Security a proper role of government? How are those programs materially different from the health-care reform that has been the focus of the president’s attention?

PAWLENTY: I think if you look at Medicare and Medicaid, the premise was that government needs to provide some assistance to people who aren’t able to take care of themselves. I think we all share that goal, Republicans and Democrats. I don’t think anybody’s gonna go back now and say, Let’s abolish, or reduce, Medicare and Medicaid.'

Posted by: drindl | February 20, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

dingbat moonbat has absolutely nothing to contribute, so resorts to infantile name-calling. but that's what frat boys do, isn't it?

Posted by: drindl | February 20, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Dingbat dribbl can't figure out who's running things. I admit with lib leadership it's difficult.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 20, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

." The Republicans are blocking the Obama" won't bother repeating your drool.

Rs have announced they will try to block everything Obama does. So the Dems now need to declare war and jam everything through they can. That IS dissenting with republicans too and just as patriotic. If Rs refuse to cooperate, make them filibuster everything. Ram it down their throats. Crush the tyranny of the minority!

Posted by: drindl | February 20, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

My, my, just check out the liberals, the Democrap Socialist's, and the Democrap Socialist--controlled Main Stream Media's double standard.
When the Republicans controlled both houses of congress and the WH the Democrap Socialist's blocked all of President George W. Bush's and Republican initiatives--like the war in Iraq, Social Security reform, $87 billion Iraq Supplemental Bill (that included armor and armor protection for military vehicles used by our guys in harms way in Iraq), 2 bills to reign in the Community Reinvestment Act (because they forsaw the Fannie May, Freddie Mack meltdown comming and wanted to prevent it), etc, etc--the Democrap Socialists and their left-wing ideologes and Lemming--like supporters on blogs like Fix's all claimed that "dissent is one of the truest expressions of patriotism".
Now though, when they control both houses of congress and the WH, it's suddenly un-patriotic, un--American, and all opposition to anything Obama and the Democrap Socialist's want to do is "....the Republicans just want to stop all legislation so Obama and the Democrap Socialist's will have no successes".

To all you liberal Socialist, Communist and facist liberal wanna--bees.
Politics is a two-way street. The Republicans are blocking the Obama and Democrap Socialist's Socialist Communist agenda because "Dissent, is one of the truest expressions of patriotism".

Posted by: armpeg | February 20, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I find it absolutely unbelievable that Obama - since the Scott Brown election - Obama is completely DESTROYING his presidency with his lack of appreciation for the fact that the American People do NOT want the health care plan.

The liberals are clueless.

If Obama tries to jam the health care bill through now, he will destroy any chance of coming back - the American People will be done with him - and never ever give him another chance.

Obama has no track record with the American People to fall back on.

I can not tell you how incredibly stupid this move is.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 20, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

So this bipartisan conference is going to come down a DEMAND BY OBAMA THAT THE REPUBLICANS AGREE TO HIS VERSION OF HEALTH CARE OR THEY WILL BE CHARGED WITH NOT BEING BIPARTISAN ?

Well, Obama, being bipartisan involves more than one day.

AND it also involves a great deal more than making demands that people agree with you.

Obama's job performance is pathetic.

Obama is worse than Jimmy Carter - how could the democrats elect a person that does such a horrible job?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

enough3


Obama made a commitment to the American People that he would be bipartisan - which means that he would COMPROMISE AND AGREE TO CENTRIST POLICIES.

It does not matter what the excuse is - no matter what anyone does - it does NOT release Obama from that commitment.

It is amazing how easily the liberals are willing to overlook the LIES of Obama - and then call everyone else liars.

It is amazing that the liberals want to look at Iraq, say it was a waste of money, and their conclusion is "let's waste 20 times more money on health care"

It is time the liberals realize that no one wants their FAR LEFT POLICIES - AND JUST DROP IT.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 20, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

jaxas70


Obama made a commitment to the American People during 2008 that he would be bipartisan - which meant that he would COMPROMISE AND SEEK CENTRIST POLICIES.

You are talking like some comment from a radio show shock-jock can release a presidential candidate from a commitment he made to the American people.

That is a pathetic excuse.

Your comments are so childish - I don't know how you believe anyone can take you seriously when you made commment like you have.


In November there will be another election - you are acting like the election of 2008 will freeze the electorial balance forever. It doesn't work like that.

When you grow up, get back to us.

In the meantime, the adults in the country have to watch the liberals act just like you.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 20, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

OK, so let's resign ourselves to the fact that the true believing wingers will always be unhappy. As I've been writing for years, the right is "the group of sore winners and sore losers." Nothing will dissuade them of their beliefs, nor their entitlement to be contradictory, hypocritical, amnesiac, nasty or stupid.

Beliefs are not facts, so they live in their own hard and tight little worlds where up is down and the liberal - or is it anybody who disagrees with them - is evil, conspiratorial and uninformed.
What they should not deny, though, is that they have NO solutions for the problems their great leaders have caused and continue to advocate. They are focused on getting liberals out and themselves back in, despite their total absence of any policy and coherance.

The entire world laughs and is amazed that America has come down to this - 50% of a nation of whining, loudmouthed liars and complainers who believe in voodoo and witch doctor solutions.

Posted by: enough3 | February 20, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Chris:

Is this blog getting moderated now? It would be a good idea -


Look at these comments here

Part of the problem is no one knows the rules - and most people are holding back


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 20, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

37thand0street, your making squealing noises about Obama not being sufficiently bipartisan is like Glenn Beck complaining about the lack of civility and moderation in our society.

Look. Bipartisanship sailed quietly away the instant that fat, wallowing hog Limbaugh declared that he hoped Obama would fail. From that point forward, the GOP--taking its cue from the Great Hog--proceeded to implement his edict.

Now here you come sniveling like a wet pampered infant blubbering about Obama not being bipartisan. It was his attempt to hold out for a bipartisan bill by turning the coach duties over to Max Baucus that ruined his chances--and ours--for meaningful health insurance reform.

The only thing at the moment saving the republican party and the conservative movement from rightfully being retired to the ashcan of history is that we have a dumbed down electorate who cannot see beyond the end of its collective nose and is acting in an irrational, inconsistent way by electing the sort of politician wedded to the very bankrupt ideology that caused the Great Recession of 2008 in the first place--supply side conservatism.

Posted by: jaxas70 | February 20, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If we finally have moderation, why are 37th posts still getting through?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 20, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Why does "37thand0street keep referring to his own IQ? And I don't mean "37."

Posted by: thrh | February 20, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Is Obama preparing to cut a deal - and nominate himself to the Supreme Court and get out ?


He would need 60 Senators to agree to a confirmation vote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/18/AR2010021803275.html?nav=hcmodule


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 19, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Daily Beast is reporting that Obama is writing his own health care bill - and he will tell the Republicans - either agree to what Obama wants, or don't be bipartisan.


HOW IS THAT BEING BIPARTISAN ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 19, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

In his speech at a Denver fundraiser yesterday, President Obama repeated what has become a key talking point for Democrats -- that the Senate ''doesn't get anything done'' and the reason for that is that some Republicans, who "don't believe in government," are happy to block the administration's initiatives because blocking government initiatives is ''consistent with their philosophy.'' (Snip) As a matter of fact, at a DNC fundraiser in California last October, Obama said his administration and Congress had accomplished so much that, ''If we stopped today, this legislative session would have been one of the most productive.

Posted by: drivl | February 19, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

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