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Happy Thanksgiving: Resting Up for '08

After an amazing 2006 election cycle, The Fix is taking this week off to recharge the political batteries and eat some turkey and cranberry sauce under the California sun.

As a result, I won't be posting this week. But I wanted to take a moment to say thank you for all your comments (both positive and negative), interest and energy over the year or so The Fix has been in existence. It's made writing every day incredibly enjoyable.

We have big plans for The Fix heading into 2008 so make sure to tune in over the next weeks and months as we begin to roll out some of the new features both on the blog and on



P.S. My editors might drop a few updates in here from time to time in the next few days, so take it easy on them in the comments...

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 20, 2006; 12:40 PM ET
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Roz,Bush visited his father in China at the time when Poppa Bush was the first offical from the US as ambassador. He and his family members traveled around the nation and other parts.

And it seems to me that I also read he visited brother Jeb in South America when brother was in real estate or something like that.

Having served for 6 years as governor, Bush had as much experience as many other governors elected since 1896. Woodrow Wilson had less government experience than Bush, if memory serves me correctly.

About Obama, let us remember that JFK had served in the House and later had run for president in 1956. So by the time he was elected in 1960, he had military experience, government experience, and national following from his years on the campaign trail.

Foreign policy is mentioned by Harris in his book as an important factor for 2008. So at least Hillary has more than Obama on that issue.

Posted by: Sheila | November 24, 2006 2:07 PM | Report abuse

for those concerned about obama's experience, especially the goppers out there, might i remind you that the person you elected president in 2000 & 2004 had only left the united states i think once in his entire life before becoming [p]resident...and has had admitted to having no desire to travel nor shown curosity about other countries.

and to make matters worse, for all intent and purpose, shrub never was able to get a job [or a company] that didn't involve the influence [or investment] of his father or his father's associates, including his current one at 1600.

when people start owning up to the truth: that shrub is nothing more than intellectual midget and a puppet, we will all be better off.

for sure, obama has already done more, experienced more, with his life, and at a much younger age, and done it on his own earned credentials and sharp intelligence than shrub is or was capable of.

while i am not yet set to champion anyone's candidacy for 08, there is no doubt that barack obama would be a VAST improvement on so many levels over the current [p]resident.

i'd bet if obama ran against condi rice, obama would win hands down.

Posted by: ROZ | November 22, 2006 1:39 AM | Report abuse

chris - and his editors -
just a quick word of thanx for your amazing, objective, insightful reporting and analysis, often helping to make sense when things seem so screwed up.

in the few months since i found you, you have become my number one "go to" for news political. and i get a real kick when i see you on tv.

i'll bet the run up to 08 is nothing short of a [verbal] blood-bath. i keep wondering if mccain will hire rove for his campaign just so he, mccain, doesn't have to worry about the kind of dirty crap-ola rove is capable of inventing and then slapping in his face.

have a terrific "vacation" deserve it. thanx again..for making
this one-heck-of-an-election season more enjoyable and understandable.

eat hearty, chris.
los angeles, ca

Posted by: ROZ | November 22, 2006 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Politics aside!

Folks, Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you all experience true gratitude for the many blessings we all have in our lives: friends, family and freedom. May God bless each one of you and your families. Blog with you folks again after Thanksgiving.

Posted by: reason | November 21, 2006 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I do not understand why we persist in believing that all the things we fear might happen, have not already happened.

Iraq's neighbors are already involved, whether we like it or not, whether we admit it or not. Now they intend to be involved to an extent where American policies are moot. If we are included in talks between Syria, Iran and Iraq it will be because THEY allowed it, not because WE willed it.

Iraq is ALREADY a safe haven for terrorist, al Qaida included, Taliban included. It is used as a training opportunity, as a political opportunity, and as a religious recruitment opportunity. NOTHING we are currently doing will change this.

Withdrawal will not be easy. There will be MANY "insurgents" who will trek to Afghanistan to continue the fight there. There WILL be an internal reckoning in Iraq. Civil war WILL continue until a clear "winner" is realized, and WE cannot change that.

In a war fostered by lies and deceit, how can there be an "Honorable Withdrawal". Wars of Aggression have no honor.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 21, 2006 3:49 PM | Report abuse

'BTW, I am a bit old to be in the military'- yeah, me too. I believe that Rangels's position is purely his own. He is upset because the fact is, most of the soliders in today's Army are black or hispanic and so their communities are suffering the brunt of the loss. Very few white middle class familities, relatively speaking, have made any kind of sacrifice at all for this war. And in fact, while poorer families are sacrificing their children, wealtheir ones are celebrating massive tax cuts. Perhaps he perceives this as unfair--what do you think?

BlueDog, I too agree with most of what you say. I would include JimD's comments as well -- athough I don't think there's much we can do to stabilize Iraq--it already is a failed state and a haven for terrorists. We need to let Iraq's neighbors Syria and Iran, know in no uncertain terms that they have to take responsibility for the chaos rather than feeding it--because we will soon be gone and it will all be in their laps.

We have already greatly empowered Iran by this invasion but that pandora is out of the box and won't be put back in. Iran is going to have a certian amount of control over Iraq but it's either that or anarchy or we commit 400,000 troops and resources we don't have for an unlimited time.

What we should be concentrated our resource on is the mountainous areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the poppy trade is generating tremendous amounts of revenue for fundamentalists who are incubating terrorist acts to carry out on the US. Canada and Britian. The British spy agencies are all over it but we've scarcely paid attention here.

The idea some have that our leaving Iraq will cause terrorists to come here is ludicrous. They will come here whether we are in Iraq or not if we don't stop them -- the point is paying attention to where the real threats are coming from.

And yyes, Kavalor, the media here always refuses to cover voting machine 'malfunctions'. 18,000 machine undervotes in one district for that office -- and not a single news media is interested? Strange, isn't it? She was ahead in the polls and they've gone ahead and certified her opponent the winner, even though it's very clear something was VERY wrong.

Posted by: drindl | November 21, 2006 3:27 PM | Report abuse


Interesting issue. Rangel is an old "warhorse" (grandstander?) who likes to stir the pot, so to speak. Although I believe he is heartfelt in his conviction that a TRUE draft (not like the 60's & 70's "deferment" draft) would influence any future war votes, he recognizes the unreality of enacting such legislation, thus his own vote against it in 2003. The point appears to be to force a dialogue about who is fighting and why, not necessarily what are we going to do about it. To some extent, that's baiting the opposition. To some extent, it's taking a moral stand. I don't think the timing is right for such a discussion, but if not now, when?

Oddly enough, Murtha believed a draft should have been enacted because he felt that all Americans should provide some public service, not because he was worried about social inequities. In the 2003 vote, he was also concerned about the ability of the US to effectively fight on two fronts (Afghanistan/Iraq). Time has shown him to be correct in that we cannot sustain effective combat operations with our current force levels in both campaigns. I, like Murtha and many others, believe we should redeploy some of our troops to Afghanistan, some to Kuwait/Saudi Arabia, and bring the rest home. This would make the draft unnecessary.

In my humble opinion.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 21, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Concering the 402-2 vote taken on 5 Oct 04 to consider the Universal National Service Act that Rangel introduced, Murtha (D) and Stark (D) were the yea votes. Rangel did not even vote for his own legislation.

Posted by: Fred | November 21, 2006 1:50 PM | Report abuse


You wrote "No Fred, I'm not. Are you? You're the one who supports 'the war' remember?

Perhaps you don't realize that the reason Rangel proposed a draft was [umm, he knows it won't pass] was to remind republicans that if they start another pointless war, their own children will have to serve this time, instead of just poor kids. A deterrent, you know what I'm sayin'?"

No, Drindl, I do not know what you are saying. Rangel introduced the same legislation in 2003 just in time for the 2004 Presidential Election. Much rumor mongering and controversy was spread in the college and internet communities falsely accusing the administration of wanting to reinstate the draft. Well, the bill went down by a vote of 402-2.

Rangel said that a draft would ensure that individuals from all economic and ethnic backgrounds would serve in the military rather than the perception that only ethnic minorities and the poor now serve. The criticism of the draft in the 70's is that it discriminated against the poor and minorities. I read today that Pelosi et at are running away from anything to do with this proposed legislation. So, what is the point of introducing legislation that has already been rejected? I do not follow your line of reasoning of reminding the Republicans of this. The voters did a far more effective job. Also, when did I write that I was for the 'war'?

BTW, I am a bit old to be in the military.

Posted by: Fred | November 21, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse


Updated: 9:29 a.m. ET Nov 21, 2006
WASHINGTON - Sen. Sam Brownback, who is considering a White House bid in 2008, said Monday the Republican field has room for a "full-scale Ronald Reagan conservative" and pledged to make a final decision next month.

The Kansas senator said he was not discouraged from running by the Democrats' strong gains in this month's midterm elections, including assuming majority control of the House and Senate.

"It does not make it less likely," he said in an interview. "I really believe that the basic conservative ideas and ideals were not repudiated. Our execution was."

Brownback calls himself a "full scale Ronald Reagan conservative". However, he is a darling of the religious right and Reagan never did much more than pay lip service to their concerns. The exit polls show that socially moderate independents broke overwhelmingly for Democrats in the mid-terms. I do not see the GOP winning those voters back with an extreme social conservative message. Brownback's entry could make it more difficult for Romney. Romney seems to be positioning himself as the true social conservative in the race - although some of his past statements in Massachusetts could complicate that. Furthermore, a very significant number of evangelical Christians are suspicious of Mormons. Assuming Brownback, Frist and Romney all run - it could seriously split the social conservative vote. The main beneficiary would be McCain.

Posted by: JimD in FL | November 21, 2006 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I wish all the readers of makers of this blog a happy Thanksgiving (although its not celebrated here).

What I'am wondering about is the not mentioning of the lawsuit of Christine Jennings (FL-13) against the certification of the results (apparently 18.000 votes are missing in Sarasota county).

But this appears to be a non story in the US Media (i read about it in an German newspaper).

Posted by: Kavalor | November 21, 2006 12:14 PM | Report abuse


I largely agree with you. However, I think we need to pursue some diplomatic and political initiatives to try and achieve some sort of stability. A loose federal structure with an equitable distribution of oil revenue might give the competing factions a stake in a peaceful Iraq. We should seek to involve Iraq's neighbors and try to involve a Muslim international peacekeeping force for Baghdad. I am concerned about two things - a. Iraq becomes a failed state and provides a safe haven for terrorists a la Taliban Afghanistan. b. the ensuing chaos could draw in neighboring states and perhaps trigger a wider war. I believe honor demands that we try to fix the mess we have made and I believe that the solution will be political and not military.

Posted by: JimD in FL | November 21, 2006 11:11 AM | Report abuse

My post above, "What I Am Thinking This Thanksgiving" can also be found on MSNBC's Politics Disscussion Boards as "'Stay the Course' or 'Redeploy', Which is Honorable?". I would appreciate any comments, good or bad since any discourse is better than no discourse.

Next Week, All.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 21, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

OVERSEEING THE OVERSEERS. One thing you may not know about Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Tx), now being considered as a compromise candidate to chair the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), is that he joined his friend and colleague, outgoing congressman Curt Weldon at a meeting with infamous Iran Contra arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar, against the advice of the Agency, and without informing the U.S. ambassador in Paris, as is proper protocol. The meeting took place at the Sofitel hotel on Rue Boissy D'Anglas around the corner from the US embassy in Paris on a Saturday morning in the spring of 2004 (see update below), according to two sources. (The US government was actually surveilling the hotel lobby that morning out of concern that Iranians might potentially try to harm the congressmen; Weldon apparently loudly asked the concierge for a room for a secret meeting). Ghorbanifar and his business partner were trying to entice the U.S. congressmen to take up the cause of trying to make Ghorbanifar a paid U.S. intelligence asset again on the Middle East, but the CIA would have nothing to do with him, given that he was deemed a fabricator and made the subject of two CIA burn notices in the 1980s, and caused much grief for U.S. policymakers who dealt with him during the Iran Contra affair (think of then-National Security Advisor Robert McFarlane sitting at a Tehran airport with a cake on his lap for Rafsanjani, who wouldn't meet with him, as Ghorbanifar had promised he would, the plane of missile parts from the U.S. sitting in the hangar behind him; Ghorbanifar blamed the mishap on the Americans). What does this say about Reyes' judgment, meeting with a guy like this? Or his knowledge of U.S. operations gone amok?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 21, 2006 10:05 AM | Report abuse

What I'm Thinking About This Thanksgiving...

It is a myth that by Staying The Course we Honor Those Already Fallen. Honor does not depend on such fallacies. The dead are honored only when America honors the ideals they fought and died for. Engaging in a War of Aggression through Willful Deceit is Not Honorable. Perpetuating such a war by further lies is Not Honorable. Denying ones culpability in gross error is Not Honorable. Holding up the fallen as a political shield against dissension is Not Honorable. Sacrificing more Americans solely for the Sake of Honor is NOT HONORABLE.

It is a myth to think we can STABLIZE Iraq since the government does not have the widespread support of the populace. If we stay until we THINK the government is stabilized, and then leave, it will be only a matter of days before the allegedly stable government collapses. Nature abhors a vacuum and our departure from Iraq, no matter when it comes, will again create a vacuum, followed immediately by the winds of violent change. Note to Ideologues, SEE Collapse of South Vietnam.

It is a myth to believe that an American early withdrawal, Redeployment, will result in substantial offensive attacks on American soil. Yes, some elements will be emboldened and will attempt, and maybe even succeed, to perpetrate such attacks. That, unfortunately, is the price we pay for our arrogant belief that Might Makes Right. However, to claim that wholesale terror campaigns will occur within the United States is Fear Mongering at its worse. All the more reason to bring our troops home and use them to help secure our own borders and ports of entry. All the more reason to spend the Billions of dollars on Defense, instead of offense.

It is a myth that once Iraq falls, all other nations in the region will fall. The Domino Theory lives again in the minds of the Weak. Note to Ideologues, SEE Vietnam, Communism and Southeast Asia 20th Century History. It is used as any easy excuse for intervention and Nation Building, all in the name of Protecting Our Interest. It is in our interest for those nations to work this problem out for themselves, and they will regardless of our level of involvement. We have been, and ALWAYS WILL BE, seen as interlopers.

Until we see the conflicts in this region through the eyes of the natives and act accordingly, we will be unable to make any significant contributions towards Peace, since we continue to insist on applying Western Values to Eastern Culture. History has repeatedly shown this to be true. Note to Ideologues, See 19th and 20th Century History of Middle East. There is no Honor is attempting to Force our Will on Others. A War of Aggression is Not and Never Will Be, no matter our intent, Honorable.

Happy Turkey Day to All, Especially to Chris. My Your God Bless You, Yours and Your Endeavors.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 21, 2006 9:53 AM | Report abuse

'Top political reporters Jim VandeHei and John Harris are leaving the Washington Post to act as accomplices in yet another new media bullsh** show. This one's some sort of website that will revolutionize political reporting -- with VIDEO and stuff. Their writing will also appear in the dead tree Capitol Leader, the upcoming daily Roll Call-but-not-quite newspaper whose launch keeps being delayed while they bleed dry The Hill (and Cap File and now the Post).

This is a huge coup for Allbritton Communications, the party responsible for this sh**storm of hype, and we can only hope it's as much of a huge success as HotSoup, the REVOLUTIONARY NEW INTERACTIVE ONE-STOP POLITICAL WEBSITE/COMMUNITY that lured Ron Fournier away from the Associated Press.


Posted by: Anonymous | November 21, 2006 9:53 AM | Report abuse

'Commentary in recent days from two retired Army generals, Barry McCaffrey and William Odom, gives an even greater sense of urgency to the need to change course in Iraq.

McCaffrey says the U.S. needs to bring home five brigades from Iraq before Christmas to keep the Army from breaking, a redeployment he concedes is not feasible, according to the Army Times:

"The country is not at war. The United States armed forces and the CIA are at war. So we are asking our military to sustain a level of effort that we have not resourced," he told Army Times.
"That's how to break the Army is to keep it deployed above the rate at which it can be sustained," he said. "There's no free lunch here. The Army and the Marine Corps and Special Operations Command are too small and badly resourced to carry out this national security strategy."

Odom is equally gloomy:

Our leaders do not act because their reputations are at stake. The public does not force them to act because it is blinded by the president's conjured set of illusions: that we are reducing terrorism by fighting in Iraq, creating democracy there, preventing the spread of nuclear weapons, making Israel more secure, not allowing our fallen soldiers to have died in vain, and others.
But reality no longer can be avoided. It is beyond U.S. power to prevent sectarian violence in Iraq, the growing influence of Iran throughout the region, the probable spread of Sunni-Shiite strife to neighboring Arab states, the eventual rise to power of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr or some other anti-American leader in Baghdad, and the spread of instability beyond Iraq.

These realities get worse every day that our forces remain in Iraq. They can't be wished away by clever diplomacy or by leaving our forces in Iraq for several more years.'

Posted by: Anonymous | November 21, 2006 9:46 AM | Report abuse

'Ridding the party of the consultants who have led them down the wrong path again and again should be the #2 item on the Democrats' '06-'08 to-do list -- #1 being getting us out of Iraq.

And the Dems should start the purge by kicking James Carville to the curb, once and for all. His inane -- insane? -- remarks about Howard Dean are all the proof needed that the time has come to send the Agin' Cajun to the Political Consultants' Retirement Home. (Dream scenario: he gets a room with Bob "0-for-8" Shrum.)

Carville's attack on Dean was utter nonsense. The reason the Dems "only" picked up 29 House seats isn't because the Democratic National Committee didn't spend enough money; it's because too many Democratic candidates didn't spend enough time talking about Iraq.

Here's the back-up on Iraq. And here's Chris Bowers' post proving that it wasn't the money, stupid.

While calling for Dean's ouster, Carville labeled the DNC chairman "a C-minus general." Grading on a curve, I guess that would make Carville an F-minus strategist (or, to look at the glass as half-full, an A+ hack).

James Carville hasn't correctly read the pulse of the American public since 1992. Among his greatest non-hits since then were urging Al Gore to pick Zell Miller as his running mate in 2000, and advising John Kerry to push domestic issues in 2004.'

Posted by: james carville is a hack just like hs wife | November 21, 2006 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to all

Posted by: RMill | November 21, 2006 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"The point is that Condi is in line according to the Constituion..."

Order of presidential succession is not set by the Constitution but by 3 U.S.C. 19, The Presidential Succession Act of 1947.

VP- Cheney
Speaker- Pelosi
Senate President pro tem- Byrd
Sec. of State- Rice
Treasury- Paulson
Defense- Rumsfeld
Att Gen- Gonzales
[Homeland Security- Chertoff]
Interior- Kempthorne
Commerce- Gutierez* ineligible, not natural born citizen
Labor- Chao* ineligible, not natural born citizen
HHS- Leavitt
HUD- Jackson
Transportation- Peters
Energy- Bodman
Education- Spellings
Vet Affairs- Nicholson

*3 USC 19 specifies that the acting President must adhere to the Constitutional qualifiers for President.

[Homeland Security- Chertoff]-
Since this did not exist when 3 USC 19 was passed, pending legislation has placed cabinet post after Attorney General in the order of succession should it ever become law.

Posted by: RMill | November 21, 2006 9:15 AM | Report abuse


There used to be more Republicans here before the election, but a lot of them just wanted to throw taunts about 'winners' -- I don't think they ever had any interest in the future of the country... just some lame partisan nastiness. Most of them have been quiet since the election... they can't deal with losing.

But iI understand how you feel about Condi. She's had a very different sort of background than most politicans, and it's admirable. And I think she does the best she can... but she's carrying out a horribly flawed, short-sighted foreign policy, which is the fault of bush and cheney and rumsfeld, but it's what she will be remembered for.

This administration is in way over its head--and we all know it. And they don't know how to get us out of the morass. Unfortunately for her, she helped get us here.

Posted by: drindl | November 21, 2006 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Giving for a Veteran 11-21-06
Peter Macdonald 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 03824
The People of the United States should be thankful that you have Veterans that were willing to give their lives for your freedom. This day exists to be thankful for a good harvest, but think of those that gave their lives for your enjoyment. John Kerry's "Botched Joke" about kids in our military was correct. We have politicians that never served sending naïve kids into combat so that they look good. We have a Bush that had presidential connections to void his enlistment when called to go. A kid becomes a veteran because he learns a hard lesson. Rich kids become politicians so that they can live of the backs of veterans. On this Thank full day look around you. The homeless on the street. The drug users walking near you. The drunks leaning against a post. Do you realize 50% of these people are veterans. These are the kids that were willing to give for your freedom. They became this way because what they saw and did they could not accept. A good reality exists today for you because veterans are willing to give.
I am a 100% disabled veteran from my tour in the Marine Corps. I was injured 2 separate times in combat support mission during the Vietnam conflict. NH declared me a terrorist to stop my free speech. I lost my freedom for 6 months before the bogus charges were dropped. Then NH had my VA medical stopped . No one believes this can happen in the United States. I volunteer to help a Madbury NH family expose abuse by the Madbury selectmen and my country dumps me. I do not want you sympathy. I want this Madbury families Constitutional rights restored. I as a veteran gave my life as a naïve kid many years ago. I am a "Botched Joke" and I am proud of it. I gave for my country. You the citizens of the United States on this day should thank all veterans for what we gave. Check
Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC "Semper Fi"

Posted by: Macdonald | November 21, 2006 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Have a nice one, Chris, you're one of my bookmarks, and that's all the endorsement I can give anyone. :-)

Posted by: Jean-Michel Laprise | November 21, 2006 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Have a nice one, Chris, you're one of my bookmarks, and that's all the endorsement I can give anyone. :-)

Posted by: Anonymous | November 21, 2006 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Here's Happy Thanksgiving fare for everyone.... O.J. got squeezed.

Pols, in case you haven't been paying attention.... the public has had it with indecency and the corruption of values.

Posted by: Truth Hunter | November 20, 2006 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Second in line is further than you may think. From the 25th Amendment to the Constitution:

Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

So if the President is removed from office by any means, and the Vice President becomes President, a person other than the one second in line can become Vice President. That's what happened when Spiro Agnew resigned. Ford was nominated and confirmed to be Vice President, then, upon Nixon's resignation, became President. Then Nelson Rockefeller was nominated and confirmed as Vice President.

Posted by: NoVA | November 20, 2006 9:53 PM | Report abuse

So... is it safe to say you will be "parsing the poultry" this week?

Posted by: Alan in Missoula | November 20, 2006 8:59 PM | Report abuse


I have been under the weather and then very busy trying to catch up. I have been trying to keep up with the posts but have not taken the time to post much myself. I'll be back more often in the near future.

Posted by: JimD in FL | November 20, 2006 8:04 PM | Report abuse

What the Government doesn't want you to know

Since 1913 the government has been deceiving us regarding the requirements of Americans to file and pay income taxes each year.

Did you know that the government cannot tax your labor?

Did you know that the income taxes you pay are not apportioned, therefore, illegal?

Did you know that there is no WRITTEN LAW requiring you to file or pay an income tax?

Did you know that the 1040 form is an illegal document?

Did you know that the Federal Reserve is not a government entity, rather a privately owned corporation of banks?

Did you know that 100% of the taxes you pay go toward paying INTEREST our government owes to the Federal Reserve?

Did you know Congress has the power to dissolve the Federal Reserve and print/coin our money saving the American people/government BILLIONS OF DOLLARS but has yet to invoke that power?

Did you know that in 1961 John F Kennedy ordered Congress to start creating 4.3 Trillion dollars and take all printing of money away from the Federal Reserve? This is believed by some to be the reason he was murdered.

It is in the constitution that Congress has the authority to print money for this once great nation but instead, we pay private corporations to do this for us, which in turn creates Trillions of dollars in deficit.

Here are a couple of links to check out for more info:

freedom to fascism

give me liberty

We will be posting information on more government deceit weekly. We will also be keeping you up to date on happenings with Give Me Liberty as they occur.


Posted by: Give Me Freedom | November 20, 2006 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The line of succession means of Bush died or was forced to resign. So as long as he is alive, the possible chance of Pelosi or Byrd becoming president is nil.

The point is that Condi is in line according to the Constituion and I used that point to eliminate the goofy talk about Sen McCain as the heir apparent (like Chris Matthews has repeatedly stated).

Both Bush and Cheney would have to be gone, and as happy as the Democrats would be, Pelosi could handle the job. I have to be fair.

But in terms of the Republican party seeking a new face for 2008, here we have Condi. She is youthful compared to McCain or Rudy.

The national polls are including her. I don´t have the power to put Condi's name in the Gallup polls or Marist or any of those other polls which are well-respected and often quoted by the media.

Am I the only Republican who comes in here>?
So much of the comments are by Democrats or liberals or just those who don't support Bush. And if you support McCain for standing up to Bush for whatever reason, that is fine.

The Republican party will nominate whomever wins the delegates, and if that is Condi, she is the Republican candidate. She has the right to run if she wants to and just might enter the race in the late part of 2007. If she does, it because of the DC power brokers, not me.
I just come in here to share the news about Condi and give thanks to all the Washington Post coverage of her.
Anne Gearan could write a book about being on the state plane with Condi, and that would be very interesting to many people.

Posted by: Tina | November 20, 2006 7:17 PM | Report abuse

For those of us who are thinking Cheney will be gone soon, I found this by Al Neuharth of USA Today. (Sorry, my apology to the Washington Post but it is an interesting comment)

Cheney is toast, so new veep in works?
By Al Neuharth
November 16, 2006

Now it's all about the White House in 2008. With midterm ballots barely counted, they started lining up on both sides of the aisle this week. Before it's over, expect 10 or 12 Democrats and four or five Republicans to make a serious run for the Oval Office.
In modern politics, the party in power with a two-term president has had a vice president waiting to move up. Those nominations have been almost automatic. History over the past half century:
Bill Clinton's VP Al Gore in 2000. Ronald Reagan's George H.W. Bush 18 years ago. Lyndon Johnson's Hubert Humphrey in 1968. Dwight Eisenhower's Richard Nixon 46 years ago.

Dick Cheney unequivocally has taken himself out of the running. So he's toast.

It's hard to think of a good reason he should remain in office and logical to assume that some Republicans are pushing him to leave. It could be on "doctor's orders." He's 65 with serious heart problems.
Bush then could name a vice presidential successor who they hope might be nominated and win in '08. But the appointment would need approval of both houses of Congress. With control shifting to the Democrats in January, time may be of the essence.
Likely on the short might-be list (alphabetically):
-- Bill Frist, 54, Senate majority leader from Tennessee.
-- Rudy Giuliani, 62, former mayor of New York City.
-- John McCain, 70, U.S. senator from Arizona.
-- Condoleezza Rice, 52, secretary of State.

If Cheney goes, Bush could make political history by naming the first woman and first black as veep. When presidents are lame ducks, they sometimes think more about what historians will say than about current events.

Posted by: Sam the Man | November 20, 2006 6:49 PM | Report abuse

'Speaker Nancy Pelosi (2nd in line) ' I laugh every time I hear that. I can hear the sound of republican teeth gnashing and garments rending.

Thanks for the blog, Chris. Enjoy it. Even though you could be just an eensier bit more independent and thoughtful and not just repeat the DC Conventional Wisdom.

And of course enjoy and learn a lot from the regular posters. Have a good holiday, all!

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2006 6:00 PM | Report abuse

When will you post the results of the Congressional prognosticating?

Posted by: Randy6000 | November 20, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse


Thats a great poll. Perhaps everyone should realise what a waste polls are at this stage in the game. The period at the moment is for politicos to assess how good likely candidates are, and how keen they are to work hard, before the deluge begins.

And Tina, if Rice's 4th in line status makes her heir apparent, does that make Speaker Nancy Pelosi (2nd in line) or Robert Byrd (3rd) better Presidential candidates? The Democrats aren't seriously looking at either of them at the moment...

Posted by: JayPe | November 20, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Have a great holiday Chris, and thanks for all the work you've put in over the last few months. Always interesting, and as the comments section attests, always generating plenty of discussion!!

Looking forward to the run up to '08. I never cease to be amazed with US Elections. The gap between the end of 2006 and the start of 2008 is well and truly negative, very different from the other countries I've lived in (Australia, NZ, UK) where they try to have at least a years break...

Posted by: JayPe | November 20, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Tina is freaking delusional about Condi. It's a little weird how infatuated she is with the woman. How I hope that the Republican party makes her happy and nominates Condi. We will CRUSH her! I doubt they would though. The whole woman thing is just too much for them. Oh yeah, and she's black! With as many wedges as the Republican party has tried to drive between us, many successfully, it would be ironic that nominating Condi would swing the South to the Democrats.

Posted by: Shaun | November 20, 2006 5:37 PM | Report abuse


Presidential polling this far out is NOTHING more than name recognition. Want proof? Take a look at a Democratic primary poll from January 2003:

Joe Lieberman......29%
Dick Gephardt......15%
John Kerry...........13%
John Edwards.......8%
Al Sharpton..........5%
Howard Dean........2%

Do people know who Condi is? Sure they do. Does that mean she has a snow balls chance in you know where to get the GOP nod, let alone win the general? Nope. Honestly, why exactly do you think that presiding over the most thorougly discredited foriegn policy in recent memory qualifies someone to be president again?

Anyway, now that I've gotten my rant in I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday -- including you Tina.

Posted by: Colin | November 20, 2006 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving, Chris.

I also hope that the "...big plans for The Fix heading into 2008..." are not any more River Rambles. Too much, too quickly.

Venice, I found that the most hilarious part of Tina's post was, "The choice of our next Republican candidate for president is up to the people,..."

Not if the Captains and The Kings can help it.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | November 20, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh run Newt *please* ... I already have the first TV spot in my head. It's a hospital, everything is white, you only hear monitors.. a woman is wheeled unconcscious, into the room, recovering from cancer surgery, the nurses say among themselves. They talk about how her scumbag husband is cheating on her...when she trusted him... dumped her while she was in here ... the woman moans --- and then we have a voiceover saying how can the country trust a man like that?

'He's been out of office for eight years, since resigning from Congress under an ethical cloud.

Yet, last month, he polled third behind John McCain and Rudy Giuliani among likely Republican voters. And he's been making headlines with his criticism of the Bush administration and the GOP leadership.

It may seem improbable, but Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, undone by numerous ethics charges and sinking popularity, is emerging as a potential contender in the 2008 race for the White House.

For some conservatives dismayed over the state of the GOP, especially in light of last week's election debacle, Gingrich looms as an attractive possibility. They don't trust McCain due to his independence streak, they worry about Giuliani's liberalism on social issues, and they're concerned that conservative candidate Mitt Romney, the governor of Massachusetts, doesn't have much name recognition.'

go for it!

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2006 4:50 PM | Report abuse

venicemenace -- ain't it? i wonder where JimD is and jep went--bhoomes seems to have vanished and crazyzouk only drops in occasionally to snarl. yeeah, this is a strange one alright.

Are you ready to sign up!'

No Fred, I'm not. Are you? You're the one who supports 'the war' remember?

Perhaps you don't realize that the reason Rangel proposed a draft was [umm, he knows it won't pass] was to remind republicans that if they start another pointless war, their own children will have to serve this time, instead of just poor kids. A deterrent, you know what I'm sayin'?

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2006 4:37 PM | Report abuse


I don't exactly see the Democratic party nominating a black women for president. Besides, Condi has never indicated an interest in being a candidate.


Posted by: Fred | November 20, 2006 4:27 PM | Report abuse

capeman, in all fairness, Condi is not a neo-con. After all, her expertise is in Russia / the Soviet Union - not unlike the nominee for the Secretary of Defense - I could not help but notice... The point being that her level of incompetence in office is not due to being a neo-con, it is plain old incompetence, independent of label or political philosophy.

Posted by: bsimon | November 20, 2006 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy your vacation CC! This blog is a great addition to the 'sphere and an awesome source of political inside dirt, and I for one have enjoyed every minute of it so far, and look forward to the long, grueling buildup to the next election!

I also enjoy the heck out of all the commentators on here - those I agree with, those I spar with, and even the broken records. I couldn't stop myself from cracking up when I scrolled down to see another cut-and-paste from Che, and then Tina pushing Condi Rice!! Man, this blog is hilarious sometimes.

Posted by: Venicemenace | November 20, 2006 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Tina, dear, please be serious. The Republican party would never nominate a black woman for the Presidency. Especially one who has been wrong about nearly everything she has done in her appointive office.
She, and her neocon brothers and sisters, need to just go away (and stay away from college campuses, mess with each others' mind instead of kids')

Posted by: capeman | November 20, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse


Enjoy your Thanksgiving--you deffinitely deserve it. I do not know what these guys are saying about you taking more vacations than Johnny Carson--I think you work pretty hard. The amount of detail that you come up with on a daily basis is second-to-none. It may look like you write 1 or 2 paragraphs a day, but there is a lot of meat in those paragraphs. I read your blog every day and have become a bit of a "Cilizza-junky." You have an amazing ability to stay neutral on topics that are anything but neutral. You handled yourself exceptionally well on all of the news shows that I saw as well.

I look forward to reading your stuff more in the future and hope your holiday is pleasant and relaxing.

If you are ever in Seattle, drop me a line--the drinks are on me.

Ben Weagraff

Posted by: Ben Weagraff | November 20, 2006 3:12 PM | Report abuse


Enjoy your Thanksgiving--you deffinitely deserve it. I do not know what these guys are saying about you taking more vacations than Johnny Carson--I think you work pretty hard. The amount of detail that you come up with on a daily basis is second-to-none. It may look like you write 1 or 2 paragraphs a day, but there is a lot of meat in those paragraphs. I read your blog every day and have become a bit of a "Cilizza-junky." You have an amazing ability to stay neutral on topics that are anything but neutral. You handled yourself exceptionally well on all of the news shows that I saw as well.

I look forward to reading your stuff more in the future and hope your holiday is pleasant and relaxing.

If you are ever in Seattle, drop me a line--the drinks are on me.

Ben Weagraff

Posted by: Ben Weagraff | November 20, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse


Enjoy your Thanksgiving--you deffinitely deserve it. I do not know what these guys are saying about you taking more vacations than Johnny Carson--I think you work pretty hard. The amount of detail that you come up with on a daily basis is second-to-none. It may look like you write 1 or 2 paragraphs a day, but there is a lot of meat in those paragraphs. I read your blog every day and have become a bit of a "Cilizza-junky." You have an amazing ability to stay neutral on topics that are anything but neutral. You handled yourself exceptionally well on all of the news shows that I saw as well.

I look forward to reading your stuff more in the future and hope your holiday is pleasant and relaxing.

If you are ever in Seattle, drop me a line--the drinks are on me.

Ben Weagraff

Posted by: Ben Weagraff | November 20, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

May I ask you, Mr. Cillizza, to include Secratary of State Rice in your overall views of contenders in the Republican party?
She is in the national polls and comes in right in the top tier. ( in all fairness, she is going to be more experienced on the world stage than Obama)
Editor and Publisher website for November:
Rudy 28%
McCain 26%
Condi 13%
Newt 7%
Romney 5%

McLauglin and Assoc. November
McCain 28%
Rudy 22%
Condi 13%

WNBC/Marist September 2006
Rudy 23%
Condi 20%
McCain 15%

PEW poll November
Rudy 27%
McCain 26%
Condi 20%
Romney 7%

Rasmussen poll November
Rudy 24%
Condi 18%
McCain 17%

AP/AOL poll show Condi, Rudy, and McCain each got 1 out of every 10 votes in their recent poll.

The choice of our next Republican candidate for president is up to the people, not the DC gurus or the high-priced political consultants. Do any of you really think that if Condi was not seen as PRESIDENTIAL that she could maintain the level of support over the past 2 years? Since the first Marist poll back in Feb. 2005, Condi has maintained her top tier status. If she were only at 5% or less, ( like Frist or Hagel or Brownback) all of the efforts of Karl Rove or Republican leaders could not promote her to high levels. But she is after
4th IN LINE TO BE PRESIDENT, a status listed by the US Constitution making her one of the most valued Cabinet members for Bush. IT ALSO MAKES HER HEIR APPARENT.
Some in the media just parrot her statements that she will not run. But no one has ever heard Condi make a pledge that if offered to post of president or VP, she would not accept.
She has one more year to serve full-time in the state department, and with her high job approval and high level of support in the polls, she can delay making an offical announcement as late as next November 2007. Yes, really, she can wait that long to file offical paperwork to run. She has that long to gather petitions before the offical start of primary season in January 2008. That is true. Maybe that is what scares a few pundits, since they are really popping up on Obama. But even Chris Matthews is asking what foreign policy or national security experience he brings to the table. After only 2 years in the Senate, Obama might be the un-Hillary but he is hardly presidential at this point.
But the media should at least be fair to include Condi in the same sentence as they write about Hillary and Obama.
Happy Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Tina | November 20, 2006 2:49 PM | Report abuse

You've run a great blog this cycle, Chris. Thanks and happy Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Lucas | November 20, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

You take more vacations then Johnny Carson ever did.

You must have a great agent.

Posted by: L.Frogg | November 20, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

JD--I admit, this one felt a little forced. I'll likely go back under my rock until Chris once again reveals his man-crush on Steele.

More substantively, I would disagree that Steele was ever seriously considered as Chair of the RNC. After the WaPo "Scarlet R" article where Steele dissed Bushco, there's no way they would ever select him for anything. Loyalty is everything to these crooks.

And have you seen they're encouraging him to be the "black Rush Limbaugh"? Yeah, that's promising.

Anyhow. Happy Turkeyday.

Posted by: subpoena power | November 20, 2006 1:36 PM | Report abuse

So the Democrats come to power by advocating a withdrawal from Iraq. So, what is one of the first pieces of legislations proposed: reinstate the DRAFT!

Are you ready to sign up!


Posted by: fred | November 20, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, I still think the Steele jokes are kinda funny...

But for all the ribbing that we give Chris, I think he does a great job. Thanks for all of your hard work!

Posted by: Greg-G | November 20, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

SP-- leave it alone. It's not funny anymore. Chris was enthusiastic about Michael Steele because he was a very interesting candidate who ran a good campaign, and was one of the people being seriously looked at to head the RNC. Just let it go. The joke is old.

Posted by: JD | November 20, 2006 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris, thanks for the heads-up. Now I know that I'll have to get my Michael "Came Up Just Short" Steele news from some other source for the time being.

That Michael Steele...such an independent...I'll bet he isn't having turkey for Thanksgiving like everyone else, though his invitations probably have a picture of a turkey labeled as a ham. I hope that your big plans for 08 include more details on Michael Steele's big plans for '07, '08, and beyond!

Posted by: subpoena power | November 20, 2006 12:56 PM | Report abuse

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