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"Live Fix" Chat: Harry Reid, Gibbs vs Pelosi and more!

We spent an hour earlier today fielding questions from Fixistas around the country about the Nevada Senate race, the Robert Gibbs versus Nancy Pelosi drama and, of course, our projections of the five most compelling sports teams in the D.C. area in five years time.

A few of our favorite questions and answers are below. The full chat transcript is here.

Q: Losing Congress
I've read articles suggesting that losing one or both houses of Congress might actually bolster Obama's 2012 re-election chances (in that it would provide an outlet to some of the anti-incumbency brewing in the electorate). Do you think the president's political staff might actually favor such a scenario, or do you think they're more worried about potentially massive gridlock from a partisan and divided government? On the same note, do you think the White House would suffer more from the loss of the Senate or of the House?

A. Chris Cillizza:

There is, without question, discussion about that in Washington.

I think you can argue it either way.

On the one hand, if Democrats lost control of one of the chambers of Congress this fall it would allow Obama to run against Republicans in a meaningful way in the runup to 2012. As it is now, Obama is trying to put some of the difficulties in the country on Republicans but because the GOP doesn't control anything in Washington -- and people know it -- that's a harder case to make.

Those who advocate this approach point to 1994 -- when Bill Clinton lost control of Congress but then proceeded to win re-election easily in 1996.

On the other hand, Republican control likely means subpoenas and gridlock in Washington -- making it harder for Obama to get anything meaningful done in the final two years of his first term.

Q. Louisiana -- Can Melancon win?

A. Chris Cillizza:

Sure. But it won't be easy.

Louisiana, like Indiana and Arkansas, has moved strongly toward Republicans of late.

And, Sen. David Vitter is a very good fundraiser.

Of course, he also has major issues -- 2007 prostitution scandal, a serious primary challenge -- that will likely complicate his chances.

Melancon is a steady if unspectacular candidate. He continues to struggle to raise money in the race too.

If Vitter implodes, however, Melancon is without questions a viable alternative. Short of that -- and a Vitter implosion is not entirely out of the question -- it's hard to see how Melancon winds up on top.

Q. DC Sports
I'm a Chicago sports fan who will be moving to DC soon. Rank the popularity of the local teams in 5 years. My guess is Redskins, Wizards, Nats, Capitals. Agree or disagree?

A. Chris Cillizza:

YES ! Love this.

1. NCAA Champion Georgetown Hoyas

2. Skins. Nothing will ever change the fact that this is a football city

3. Nats. Strasburg. new stadium. Politics nerds are a lot like baseball nerds. Natural constituency.

4. Wiz: I personally am excited for the Wall era.

5. Caps: Hockey. Eh. Though Ovechkin is amazing

By Chris Cillizza  |  July 16, 2010; 5:30 PM ET
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Comments

Someone must have linked to the Morning Fix, because there's a serious food fight in the comments section.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | July 19, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The bagger movement was doomed from the start. It was not a movement of the people created by the people. It was a pipe dream of right wing AM radio shock jocks and Republican operatives(the likes of Dick Armey and "Freedom Works"). Now Steve Forbes has aligned with "Freedom Works" and is advertising for them.Palin expresses the idea that the movement will strengthen the base of the Republican party. Other leaders of the bagger movement will openly say that they don't want to run a third party candidate but to operate within the confines of the GOP. This is why the movement is mainly made up of the disgruntled ultra right of the Republican party. They have targeted moderate Republicans. They claim to be made up of Independents, Republicans and Dem's. Don't believe it for a minute.Attend a meeting (if you can find one)and look at the signs, most are Obama haters with speakers spewing the same garbage right wing shock jocks give us 24/7. Some of the speakers are the shock jocks.How can these people even start to claim to be a voice of the people when they want to do away with Social Security, Medicare and other safety net programs.If left up to them their would be no workmens compension, 40hr 5day work weeks, dept. of Labor, education or labor unions. They would have us in pre 1900's with child labor and no worker benefits. Reid is ahead of bagger Sharron Angle and will win as did the Dem in NY 27th district which had been Republican for years. Independents will not accept this move to the right by baggers(GOP).

Posted by: Packeryman | July 18, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey! I happen to know there are a few in DC who pull for the Montana Grizzlies! Go Griz!!

Posted by: AlaninMissoula | July 18, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

We live in Philadelphia, but we moved here from No Virginia and my husband is a steadfast Skins fan. Hates the Eagles.

This thing with Donovan McNabb has him SO UPSET. He says it's like finding out that your widowed Dad is dating your ex-wife.

It makes you miserable.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams can't be dismissed as a "random crazy" within the Tea Party or an outlier because he is ... the SPOKESPERSON FOR THE TEA PARTY.

Just as Dale Robertson, famous for his misspelled n-word sign, cannot so dismissed because ... he is President and Founder of the Tea Party.

Williams and Robertson ARE the Tea Party. As the NACCP's Ben Jealous said, the baggers are the proud descendants of the White Citizens Councils of the 60s. White-on.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

mooned/zouk: Williams' "Letter to Abe Lincoln" bound for the Smithsonian?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 17, 2010 9:38 AM
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So your answer is "no," Zouk?

Pity, it would have been nice right next to the Gettysburg Address.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Reasonable words, brig.

But the difference between the teabaggers and the characters you reference is the baggers are a national political movement that seeks to make pulbic policy for the Nation, e.g., abolition of Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment compensation, return to litearcy tests for voters, etc. The specifics of the baggers' agenda are troubling to say the least. By contrast, the other folks are Willie Horton boogeymen pulled out by Fox News to scare people. They have no influence beyond their street corner or Mom's basement and thus pose no threat to anyone.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama told the American people when he became President that America was facing an economic crisis and compared it to the Great Depression.
His answer to resolve this. Nothing!

He worked on health care, cap and trade, bail outs of banks,sweet deals for his paid him off unions, immigration, suing one of our own states, and more...but NOT jobs. He drove us over the cliff!
Americans, please take away the keys!!!

Posted by: Indi1 | July 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"There is a lot f talk about that in Washington."

I bet there is! Obama is an egotist and would do anything, which includes losing the Democrat control over congress, to keep his "We are the One that we are waiting for" job.

And he sure keeps Hillary Clinton hidden away while he is at it!

Posted by: Indi1 | July 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe wrote,

"@Smithsonian: Please place Tea Party spokesman Mark Williams' "Letter to Abe" next to the Emancipation Proclamation and the Gettysburg Address. Thank you.
__________________

"Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!""

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Let me put your mind at ease, Joe. I think I speak for the vast majority of white people when I say I don't approve of what Mark Williams wrote. The country is long past the point where this sort of thing will accomplish anything in the political arena, or anywhere else, other than to marginalize the bigot and make him and his associates look stupid.

You can also rest assured, as I've said elsewhere, that the percentage of "conservatives" in this country who feel as Williams does represents no greater percentage of the whole than does the number of African-Americans who hate white people.

No, I have not taken a poll, but in past years, at various times and in various locales, I have been acquainted with a great many African-Americans. Some were good friends, among the best I've ever had. But there were always those who just had no use for whites, most notably members of the Nation of Islam, who, incidentally, were less likely to express their dislike with violence, if left alone, than some who just had chips on their shoulders. That was in the days before Farrakhan split from Elijah Muhammed's group. I even had a couple of friends who were members of that group and secure enough to ignore other members who warned them that they shouldn't be fraternizing with the likes of me.

And of course I've known whites who were racists, some of whom didn't even consider their views racist; they just thought they were right, that there was some great evolutionary divide between blacks and whites.

Hopefully, as the years go by, we'll see less and less of this. We're all in this together and this is OUR (mine and yours) country. That's why it disturbs me to see people like Zulu Zhabazz so twisted that that they cannot understand that Osama Bin Laden is not their friend. Some would conspire against the very society that is their best hope in the world and which their ancestors invested so very much with no return whatsoever other than a future they never lived to see.

But it would be nice to see some on the left occasionally denounce bigotry on ALL sides instead of just playing politics with it.

Posted by: Brigade | July 17, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

White house : saved or created 3.6 million jobs

labor department: lost 2.4 million jobs

pitiful liars.

800 billion bucks later and no jobs.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 17, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Baghdad bj

have you ever posted one single post on this blog that is not mindless race baiting. Is that the alpha and omega of your tiny intellect?

I think your holster is empty.

Only the obamani are beating this drum. It has no authenticity and no evidence. You are making a fool of yourself.

I suspect you are comfy in that role.

Rant on bigot.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 17, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

mooned/zouk: Williams' "Letter to Abe Lincoln" bound for the Smithsonian?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 17, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Ddunce just loves to see that word in print. Always has.

Truly pitiful that this racist tactic is all the hope and change that is left at the bottom of the tank of failure from the new post racial charlatan.

No talk of accomplishment. No talk of success. No popularity. No momentum. Truly the weakest and lowest point of any present ident in our lifetimes. The result of incompetence and inexperience.

Go back to the faculty lounge berry.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 17, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

...Apologies. With the new technical "improvements" being tested on the Fix, I thought my first post had been captured and hadn't gone through.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 17, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

@Smithsonian: Please place Tea Party spokesman Mark Williams' "Letter to Abe" next to the Emancipation Proclamation and the Gettysburg Address. Thank you.
__________________

"Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!""

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/tea-psrty-spokesman-mocks-naacp-as-coloreds-who-want-slavery-back/
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Quasi-libertarians? Yeah, right.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 17, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party keeps going with "____ar" instead of the conventional "____er." But that may be how their favorite slur is spelled in tea-bonics.
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For Lincoln completists, will Teabagger spokesman Mark Williams' "Letter to Abe Lincoln" be an absolute must for their Abe collections? Excerpt:

"Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"
**** "

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/tea-psrty-spokesman-mocks-naacp-as-coloreds-who-want-slavery-back/
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@Smithsonian: please place this "letter" next to the Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the Gettsyburg Address please. Thank you.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 17, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

80 million teabaggers? Then why can't they assemble a decent sized rally? A small business company picnic is mire impressive than any bagger rally since the first one.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 17, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

37th, when teabaggers use the word ni**er, what word were they misspelling?

Posted by: DDAWD | July 17, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

ddawd


You are willing to dismiss as "random crazies" the Black Panther - their racial slurs over a bullhorn, and calls to kill white babies.

But a few misspelled signs at Tea Party rallies are not "random crazies" -

You and broadwayjoe constantly say the "random crazies" are representative of the 80 million Tea Party Americans.


I don't know what to tell you - but it is getting too easy to constantly prove that you and broadwayjoe and the other leftists here are wrong.


You have to apply the same standards to each side - if you don't do that you look like a complete idiot.


.

Posted by: YouCanPostThis | July 17, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

A few random crazies calling for the killing of white babies or Megyn Kelly using her gigantic media forum to prop these people up as the epitome of black people. Which is worse?

I don't even need to tell you, Brigade. You know which is worse and it's not even close.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

This is hilarious, still laughing:

In case one wonders whether PPP’s sample is to blame, the partisan split favors Democrats by five points, 39/34. That’s probably overstating the actual size of the gap and the percentage of Democrats in the general population, which means that the independents got short shrift as well. Also note that this poll surveyed registered voters, not likely voters — a sampling technique that would tend to favor Democrats and Obama a little more.
The news is almost uniformly bad for Obama in the poll. His approval rating is now seriously underwater at 45/52. That gets even worse among independents, 40/56. He doesn’t get above 46% in any matchup with Republicans, not even Jan Brewer, whom he beats 44/36, with 20% undecided.
For Palin, the numbers show she can play against Obama. She pulls 8% of those who voted for Obama in 2008 and 35% of those who “don’t remember” (?!?), which puts her on par for outreach with Gingrich (9%, 40%), Romney (9%, 32%), and slightly better than Huckabee (6%, 32%). If that’s not vindication for those who argued that Palin couldn’t do as well with unaffiliated voters, it’s cetainly something close to it.

Update: There seems to be some confusion in the comments over the number of people who claimed not to remember how they voted in 2008. That was 9% of the respondents in the survey (combined with those who voted third party). Since Obama won the 2008 popular vote by seven points (53/46) and this Dem +5 poll shows only 46% of respondents acknowledging their vote for Obama, I’d say it’s a healthy probability that most of that 9% voted for Obama and don’t want to acknowledge it now. Of that 9%, Palin wins 35%, Gingrich wins 40%, and so on.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 16, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD wrote,
"I'm not saying that what Megyn Kelly is doing is infinitely worse than what the Black Panthers are doing, but the BlaPa crimes are negligible compared to her crimes."

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Makes no sense. If Panther "crimes are negligible compared to her crimes" then you ARE saying that hers are "infinitely worse." Has she called for the killing of black babies? Does she have an IQ of 2 like Zulu Shabazz? And if you are aware of any crimes she's committed, maybe you should call the police. I'm sure the Obama administration would take a dimmer view of her exercise of free speech than a few Black Panthers waving clubs and intimidating voters.

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I seem to recall some ridicule about how the tea parties were unorganized and had no leader and infrastructure.

But now, if any single bigot can be found, he shoots up to the head of the organization and preaching the rallying call. How fantastik that this group of misfits can coalesce around this message of hate.

And you all thought all they cared about was deficits and big government. Preposterous I say. Everyone knows repubs love all that liberal stuff. They just wish a white guy was doing it.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 16, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"You certainly don't. In fact, I've yet to see you criticize ANY left wing bigots. This was a golden opportunity.

Posted by: Brigade"

I'm not saying that what Megyn Kelly is doing is infinitely worse than what the Black Panthers are doing, but the BlaPa crimes are negligible compared to her crimes.

Consistency. If you want someone to adhere to the idiot definition of consistency, well, you've got the entirety of the mainstream media. I'm no media member.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Was it anything like Byrds letter to the grand dragon? Are we talking about some elected official or is this some blown out of proportion typical drivel type specific to the general assumption assigning a single nasty characteristic to anyone in sight?

Yeah. That's what I thought. Pulled a drivl.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 16, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

mooned, any comment on Teabag spokesman Mark Williams' "Letter to Abe Lincoln"? Think we'll see it displayed at the Smithsonian? It was after all a hate screed of historic proportions.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 9:50 PM
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Was it worse than a call to kill cracker babies? Any comment?

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

there are probably all of three or four Teabaggers in the whole country who've carried racist signs.

==

well I guess that answers my question about acting or genuine

Posted by: Noacoler | July 16, 2010 9:40 PM
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I suppose as long as you know what you're talking about, that's the main thing. I don't think anyone else does. And how did you become such an expert on Teabaggers? The ones I've seen interviewed on TV say they've never seen any of these racist signs you talk about all the time. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the Teabaggers, but it seems that you liberals treat them like Beck and Limbaugh---you hang on their every move and every word. Have you and Joe served as undercover agents infiltrating the ranks of the dreaded teabaggers? DDAWD seems too terror struck to criticize the Black Panthers. Maybe they have a presence in his New Orleans neighborhood that makes it too risky for him to speak out.

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm VERY consistent on attacking bigotry. I just don't have some moronic definition of consistency which entails me criticizing a left winger every time I criticize a right winger.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 9:46 PM
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You certainly don't. In fact, I've yet to see you criticize ANY left wing bigots. This was a golden opportunity.

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

mooned, any comment on Teabag spokesman Mark Williams' "Letter to Abe Lincoln"? Think we'll see it displayed at the Smithsonian? It was after all a hate screed of historic proportions.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

"there are probably all of three or four Teabaggers in the whole country who've carried racist signs."

Hell, that Telnaes cartoon itself has like twice as many.

(I'm counting the Joker as half a racist sign, but the spearchucker is at least 1.5 and that's being kind)

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

"Do you have any comment to make about the Black Panther bigotry? Or is it OK with you?"

My comment?

My comment is that FOX News constantly trotting them out there and trying to scare people does far more harm than the half-dozen of them can do on their own.

I'm VERY consistent on attacking bigotry. I just don't have some moronic definition of consistency which entails me criticizing a left winger every time I criticize a right winger.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

mooned/zouk: And you were President of the Harvard Law Review in what year?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Ddunce is the biggest bigot on here. He loves to use the N word and sprinkles it around liberally.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 16, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

there are probably all of three or four Teabaggers in the whole country who've carried racist signs.

==

well I guess that answers my question about acting or genuine

Posted by: Noacoler | July 16, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

According to PPP, palin did the worst of the potential repub candidates. She only tied Obungler. All the rest easily beat the floundering charlatan.

Posted by: Moonbat | July 16, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD wrote,
"Yeah, those Black Panthers are pretty useful to FOX News."

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No more than the Teabaggers to MSNBC, the difference being that there are probably all of three or four Teabaggers in the whole country who've carried racist signs.
But I notice, DDAWD, you've been pretty consistent in your condemnation of bigotry on both the right and the left. NOT. Do you have any comment to make about the Black Panther bigotry? Or is it OK with you?

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone stand to listen to her voice?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 16, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/anntelnaes/?hpid=opinionsbox1

Telnaes on Teabaggers.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 9:06 PM
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This is hilarious. A must-see animation titled "Sarah Palin Defends the Tea Party." It has a great surprise ending. Great catch, dd.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh look. Only the most hard core idiot left losers with IQ below 60 are left. I forgot it was the weekend. The no life losers have taken over.

Where's drivl? How do you stooges function without your leader? Who tells you what to think without cut and pastes from huff?

Posted by: Moonbat | July 16, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK2bBfuepKk

Latest Sharron Angle attack ad.

Well, it looks kind of like her.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I think that was ED Hill, one of May-Gun's predecessors, who obsessed over the fistbumps (a fake controversy that lasted about two weeks on Fox). May-Gun got really ripped in HuffPo this week for her non-stop, Willie Horton-style race-baiting.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, those Black Panthers are pretty useful to FOX News. Every time they decide that their viewers aren't properly afraid of black people, Megyn Kelly brings on some crazy radical to shuck n jive. She wasn't able to convince America that Obama fist-bumping his white, something done by millions, was a terrorist gesture.

"*whimper* WHY do they keep calling us racists? *whimper* *whimper* Don't you know that bringing on Black Panthers to make crazy statements on cracker babies is simply a POLICY discussion??? *whimper* *whimper* *whimper*"

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I guess that would be his explanation: every issue is value neutral. So you just do a Crossfire on every topic -- Slavery, full employment or oppression? Due process, a right or just a hassle?

The problem is the blog calling baggers "quasi-libetarians" and giving shout out to Chip Saltsman are NOT neutral acts. Never saying anything positive about the first black president is clearly not a neutral policy.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Nothing predicts the future like the past and my guess for the threatened moderation to come is that it will be much like what we've see here; racism and homophobia will remain sanctioned, personal attacks from lefties will get bans and personal attacks from righties will be conspicuously ignored.

Cillizza is clearly of the view that bigotry is just another morally neutral political force, just like fiscal responsibility or something, and the same sort of puddle-deep analysis that leads to "timing is everything" and "it remains to be seen" will apply here.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 16, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Are you just pretending to be stupid, Brigade, or does it come to you naturally?

Nobody said everyone in the Tea Party is a frothing racist, but then nobody at the TP rallies is giving the bum's rush to people who clearly are there to express bigotry. The guys with the n-word signs and the guys with the signs showing the President with a bone is his nose don't have big circles of empty space around them, matter of fact they seem right at home.

If I were at a rally protesting Israeli settlement policies and some guy was carrying a sign talking about "k|kes" or calling for a second Holocaust then I'd be in his face making his presence there mighty-azz uncomfortable, and if there were a lot there like him I would leave.

Don't tell me you really need these dots connected for you.

And there is the inferential but nevertheless stark fact that most of what the TPers claim to be protesting was at least as true if not more under Bush, but hey no TP then, no "take our country back" then.

Not that inference is needed. The TP organizers themselves are carrying some of the worst signs, as BWJ has pointed out about as many times as 37th has screamed any of this screeds.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 16, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I think I said Ben had to pay the light bill.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the error messages followed by double posts? Is this a preview of the updates to come here at the Fix?

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 8:12 PM
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Think so.

Notice that I wasn't one of the posters hollering for bannin' and moderatin'. I think we're in for a big (and unpleasant) surprise unless you're posting from Texas or sharing suds with Fix on Friday. Oh well. :-)
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Speaking of moderating, the comments on a recent HuffPo piece on Cheney were so heavily moderated that ALL of the hundreds of comments were positive. Not a single negative comment. They do the same with Palin articles, too.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Earth to Noacoler,

The Tea Party is not "animated by racism" even though some in its ranks may be racist.

The New Black Panthers, Obama supporters, are 100% motivated by racism (bigotry) or did you miss the part about killing cracker babies?

Joe and Drindl seem to be making just the opposite case. Faulty logic.

Read what NAACP president Ben Jealous had to say in yesterday's USA TODAY. He said the Tea Party was NOT motivated by racism.

Broadwayjoe responded to this by suggesting that Jealous was lying and had sold out his principles in exchange for money, which would make the NAACP no more than a campaign arm of the Democratic party. "Sorry boss, I'll walk back what I think about the Tea Party and tell everyone they're not racist---just keep those checks coming."

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the error messages followed by double posts? Is this a preview of the updates to come here at the Fix?

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 8:12 PM
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Think so.

Notice that I wasn't one of the posters hollering for bannin' and moderatin'. I think we're in for a big (and unpleasant) surprise unless you're posting from Texas or sharing suds with Fix on Friday. Oh well. :-)
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Speaking of moderating, the comments on a recent HuffPo piece on Cheney were so heavily moderated that ALL of the hundreds of comments were positive. Not a single negative comment. They do the same with Palin articles, too.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"... should [BHO] win a second term."

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 8:11 PM"
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Brig-ade, I like your thinking. We're going to keep an eye on you.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the error messages followed by double posts? Is this a preview of the updates to come here at the Fix?

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

From earlier this year: Obama would destroy Palin:

"WASHINGTON -- Sarah Palin predicted Sunday that Barack Obama would lose the presidency if he was currently facing re-election. But apparently that's far from true if she's the Republican challenging him, a new poll finds.

"I think if the election were today, I do not think Obama would be re-elected," Palin said on Fox News.

While studies find the president's job approval ratings on a downward curve, a just-released poll by the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion finds that Obama would decisively defeat Palin in a hypothetical race between the two and independent New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Marist found that Obama would win such a match-up by 15 points, garnering 44 percent of the vote to Palin's 29. Bloomberg was behind with 15 percent."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Here's a bit from a USA TODAY column that should serve as a warning to wingers:

TERROR-CASE LAWYER GETS 10-YEAR SENTENCE

"A civil rights lawyer was sentenced Thursday to 10 years in prison in a terrorism case by a judge who boosted the lawyer's original sentence by nearly eight years after concluding she lied to a jury and lacked remorse.

"'I'm somewhat stunned,' Lynne Stewart, 70, told U.S. District Judge John Koeltl in New York after he announced the sentence. Stewart had been convicted for letting a jailed Egyptian sheik, Omar Abdel-Rahman, communicate with his radical followers despite restrictions to prevent it.

"The sentence is nearly four times longer than the two-year, four-month sentence she originally recieved in 2006. An appeals court had ordered a new sentencing."

10 years. And the Feds aren't much into paroles anymore. With thousands of African-Americans rotting in federal prisons around the country, I wonder if this old cracker traitor will go to the top of Obama's list of "those to be pardoned" should he win a second term.

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's a bit from a USA TODAY column that should serve as a warning to wingers:

TERROR-CASE LAWYER GETS 10-YEAR SENTENCE

"A civil rights lawyer was sentenced Thursday to 10 years in prison in a terrorism case by a judge who boosted the lawyer's original sentence by nearly eight years after concluding she lied to a jury and lacked remorse.

"'I'm somewhat stunned,' Lynne Stewart, 70, told U.S. District Judge John Koeltl in New York after he announced the sentence. Stewart had been convicted for letting a jailed Egyptian sheik, Omar Abdel-Rahman, communicate with his radical followers despite restrictions to prevent it.

"The sentence is nearly four times longer than the two-year, four-month sentence she originally recieved in 2006. An appeals court had ordered a new sentencing."

10 years. And the Feds aren't much into paroles anymore. With thousands of African-Americans rotting in federal prisons around the country, I wonder if this old cracker traitor will go to the top of Obama's list of "those to be pardoned" should he win a second term.

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Article from earlier this year says Obama would crush Palin.
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"WASHINGTON -- Sarah Palin predicted Sunday that Barack Obama would lose the presidency if he was currently facing re-election. But apparently that's far from true if she's the Republican challenging him, a new poll finds.

"I think if the election were today, I do not think Obama would be re-elected," Palin said on Fox News.

While studies find the president's job approval ratings on a downward curve, a just-released poll by the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion finds that Obama would decisively defeat Palin in a hypothetical race between the two and independent New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Marist found that Obama would win such a match-up by 15 points, garnering 44 percent of the vote to Palin's 29. Bloomberg was behind with 15 percent."

15 points!

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

And what exactly would be the point of that, Brigade? What sort of brain-having person would argue against "some" supporters of Obama, or for that matter anyone in public life, being motivated by racism?

Do you think you've just performed an act of sharp sophistry here or something?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 16, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe wrote,
"BTW, the next time someone denies the Tea Party is animated by racism, hand them a copy of bagger spokesman Mark Williams' "Letter to Abe Lincoln" mocking "coloreds" who want to return to slavery."

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BTW, the next time someone denies that some Obama supporters, like the New Black Panthers, are animated by racism, hand them a video clip of Panthers ranting about killing "cracker babies" or using clubs to intimidate Hillary Clinton supporters during the 2008 primary.

Posted by: Brigade | July 16, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

dd, BTW, make sure you make a copy of Tea Party spokesman Mark Williams' "Letter to Abe Lincoln." I understand Williams has taken it down from wherever he posted it. Please paste the letter in any thread that claims the baggers are just good ol' "quasi-libertarians."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

dd, no question about it.

The media suckered BHO's opposition to hop in the baggers' boat and now, because of their idiotic wingnut positions, that boat is headed over the waterfall. Abolish Social Security? Second Amendment solutions to political opposition? Apologies to BP for requiring them to plug their oil leak?

And best of all Mark Williams, the official Tea Party spokesman, and his now famous "Letter to Abe Lincoln" on behalf of "the coloreds" who (according to him) want to stay slaves. The ultimate in racist meltdowns.

Take Reid for instance. He was clearly toast against GOPer Lowden, but the media promoted bagger Sharron Angle over Lowden to face Reid, and all of a sudden Harry is 7 points up in a RASMUSSEN poll, which means he's really about 12 up. All the baggers are losing or about to lose.
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So, yes, BHO haters in the media, keep promoting folks like Palin and Gingrich for President in 2012. Go for it. And go lose 44 states. LOL.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Learn more about fringe Republican Teabagger Dummies Michelle Bachman, Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Sarah the Half Term Quitter from Alaska,...here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaI63pBmLs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKohsoxqkJw

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Posted by: DrainYou | July 16, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Um, my point being that I'm fine with them doing the same with Palin. Yeah, it's a gutshot to my sense of intelligence, but whatever.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

BWJ, the mainstream media has been pumping up the tea party from right about the time Obama got elected. I'm glad they did. Aren't you?

Posted by: DDAWD | July 16, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

If the BHO haters claim that he "caused" the oil leak (don't ask how that crazy argument even goes), now that it's plugged, shouldn't 44 get credit. Naaaaaah. That's way too consistent and fair for the BHO haters' tastes.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully we won't have to listen to the mouth-breathing Repugs apologizing to BP anymore now that oil well has been plugged.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcyxAzdMAn8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhvRQyRdVEI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uC67CqvXME


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Posted by: DrainYou | July 16, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the next time someone denies the Tea Party is animated by racism, hand them a copy of bagger spokesman Mark Williams' "Letter to Abe Lincoln" mocking "coloreds" who want to return to slavery.

Excerpt from journalist Casey Game-McCalla's excellent article about Williams' controversial racist rant:
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"Tea Party spokesman, Mark Williams, continued his attacks on the NAACP with a blog entitled NAACP Resolution: Colored People change minds about emancipation. In the blog he pretends to be Ben Jealous writing a letter to Abraham Lincoln.

"Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!""

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/tea-psrty-spokesman-mocks-naacp-as-coloreds-who-want-slavery-back/

Hardly a "quasi-libertarian" this Williams guy.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"What the .... It drives me crazy that "you guys" give any credence at all to her as a Presidential candidate. On the other hand -she might be the easiest one for Obama to beat. Can you imagine THAT debate? LOL!

Posted by: ezswing10rr | July 16, 2010 6:00 PM"
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The "Palin for President" narrative from Drudge/FauxNews/Fix World, backed by dubious PPP polls (that Drudge links to but has the good sense not to highlight) is great for BHO. Not Palin or any of the other folks that BHO haters in the media are pushing -- e.g., Romney, Gingrich, and Sharron "Right" Angle -- have any chance of beating BHO in 2012. So if the media manages to persuade the GOP to nominate one of them, it's smoooooth sailing for our 44th President in two years.

It's really a Scott Brown-type that presents the biggest threat to BHO's reelection. But the BHO haters aren't pushing for him so far. Sssshhhhhhh.
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Keep in mind a Marist poll not to long ago showed Palin would lose to BHO by 23 points in 2012. Let's hope they get the oath right for BHO next time.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | July 16, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
Just watched you on Hardball. It absolutely amazes me that ANYONE would seriously consider Palin as Presidential timber. To quote Olbermann - that woman is an idiot. Have you read Game Change?? If she runs, all the D candidate has to do is publicize that book. Has she ever said anything that isn't a catch-phrase or a talking point? "MAMA GRIZZLIES?" What the .... It drives me crazy that "you guys" give any credence at all to her as a Presidential candidate. On the other hand - she might be the easiest one for Obama to beat. Can you imagine THAT debate? LOL!

Posted by: ezswing10rr | July 16, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans take control of the House in November, they WILL seek to "investigate" America's first black president right out of office.

COUNT ON IT.

Posted by: paul65 | July 16, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

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