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The Fix Breaks!

For the next two weeks (aka through Labor Day), the Fix will be entirely dark as we move, write our book proposal and serve as the (unofficial) assistant coach for the Catholic University field hockey team.

We will also be working on making the Fix the best blog it can be -- coordinating comments from Twitter and Facebook, more "Rising" interviews etc. -- and we want to hear your feedback as well.

Try to make the criticism -- if there is any ;) -- constructive. We welcome any and all suggestions.

And, if you absolutely need your Fix (heyooo!), we are still doing our weekly Live Fix online chats on Fridays at 11 a.m. Be there.

Have a great end of summer!

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 24, 2009; 6:00 AM ET
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Final Count:

JakeD 78
GoldAndTanzanite (aka BANNED "chrisfox8") 61
mikeinmidland (plus "yeswiican") 40
DDAWD 17
broadwayjoe 17
yeswiican 14
drindl 10
bsimon1 9
AndyR3 8
margaretmeyers 8
mark_in_austin 6
JRM2 6
scrivener50 6
jasperanselm 4
mnteng 3
dont_remember 2
FairlingtonBlade 2
Blarg 1
bobbywc 1
footee 1
jrosco3 1
matthewjblack 1
nodebris 1

Of course, it doesn't matter to me that I am outnumbered 3 to 1 ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

PERSONAL TO ROZ MAZER:

Get a load of this kabuki theater! (see below).

Look forward to your report.

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 25, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

JRM2, the effects of the stimulus package should make the rust belt states in particular cast oceans of smiley ballots for the Democrats in 14 months.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 25, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Laird Gregar's unhinged performance as "the Lodger" (1944) at 8 on TCM.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 25, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"* Obama fixed the economy"

fixing

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The legendary Jeanane Garofalo last week on those moronic "teabaggers":

"In an appearance at the 9:30 Club in Washington, D.C. on Aug. 21, Garofalo ripped into...“tea baggers” calling them “functionally retarded adults” and “racists.”

“Do you remember tea baggers?” Garofalo said. “It was just so much easier when we could just call them racists. I just don’t know why we can’t call them racists, or functionally retarded adults.”

Garofalo has made prior overtures alleging any public display of discontent with the current president is nothing more than racial hatred. Back in April she called tea party protesters “a bunch of tea bagging rednecks” on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.” However, she contended the public’s frustration expressed over the direction of the country was code for racism.

“The functionally retarded adults, the racists – with their cries of, ‘I want my country back,’” she said. “You know what they’re really saying is, ‘I want my white guy back.’ They apparently had no problem at all for the last eight years of habeas corpus being suspended, the Constitution being [expletive] on, illegal surveillance, lied to on a war or two, two stolen elections – yes, the John Kerry one was stolen too. That’s not tin-foil hat time. That’s just…”

http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2009/20090822162738.aspx

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 25, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The takeaway meme:

* Bush screwed up the economy

* Obama fixed the economy

Can someone make this into an anapestic chant simple enough for the rubes?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Stimulus helping the economy recover economic experts say:
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSTRE57O5V720090825

Posted by: JRM2 | August 25, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Dewey beats Truman.

Rasmussen, 1948.

Nixon beats Kennedy

Rasmussen, 1960.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 25, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

G&T: Ditto. I never could understand the Dems giving concession after concession to folks who publicly stated at the outset they had no intention of ever voting for any health care reform bill. You're right: it was the stimulus bill experience all over again. IMO, Reid and crew were foolishly betting against themselves. They could have rammed this stuff through from the get-go.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 25, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

#58.

"I understand BHO plans a major PR push for health care after his well earned vacation and then ram through the bill as part of the majority-rule reconciliation bill."

==

I am SO looking forward to the reconciliation vote, finally telling Republicans to go stuff themselves. This is SO overdue, and it should have started after Democrats gave so much ground on the stimulus package and still didn't get a single GOP vote.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Which is why we don't talk to him or talk about him.

Although we should have a pool on how long it takes for him to try and bait by mentioning the hordes of lurkers he is converting.

==

So let's just ignore him, and let him hoot and toot and howl for attention. We all know he'll go wilder and whackier until someone bites, so let's just deprive him of the satisfaction. Trust me, it'll be much more rewarding watching him go nuts trying to get someone to call him a liar than actually calling him one would be.

To hell with him.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"JakeD is a blog clog.

Posted by: drindl"

Which is why we don't talk to him or talk about him.

Although we should have a pool on how long it takes for him to try and bait by mentioning the hordes of lurkers he is converting.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"Wrong again, Rasmussen predicted the Electoral College: Obama 260, McCain 160."
________
Rasmussen couldn't predict his bowel movement.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 25, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I normally tune out whenever I get to Rasmussen's name, but if Nate Silver is using his polling "data", I guess we have to take a look at it. BTW, Corzine is a smidge ahead in the latest poll (sorry, Fix). All these guys, Specter, Corzine, Deeds (in Virginia) will catch up, maybe even win, before the election.

I understand BHO plans a major PR push for health care after his well earned vacation and then ram through the bill as part of the majority-rule reconciliation bill.

Beck boycott now at 36 sponsors (but they have rotated some new ones back in so, when you have time, check in with colorofchange.org.)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 25, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Everybody has gotten so civil, I think I liked this blog better when chrisfox8 and JakeD were duking it out.

==

Those days aren't coming back, at least not this side of them.

Please don't encourage the troll.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"Sure they can, JRM2, just like those other terrorists who were released but caught again on the battlefield.

Posted by: JakeD |"
----
I see, the distinction for you is that we knew they were terrorists but they were not convicted. Or is it possible that they were radicalized from being imprisoned and tortured?

Let me put it this way, the ACLU cannot free convicted terrorists.

Posted by: JRM2 | August 25, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Great Drudge poll this morning: 93% of his respondents said BHO's administration is doomed (or some language like that). Just gives you an idea as to how extreme and foolish his audience really is. I think Drudge's poll before election day had McCain winning by double digits (according to Drudge respondents).

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 25, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is a blog clog.

Posted by: drindl | August 25, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

margaretmeyers:

Here's Nate Silver's take on the Rasmussen numbers for PA Senate.

"We can learn a little bit about these likely voter models by evaluating other polls that these firms conduct. Rasmussen's likely voter universe, for instance, trusts Republicans more not just on hot-button issues like the economy and health care, but also on traditional Democratic strengths like Social Security (by 4 points) and education (by 3 points).
[snip]
If the electorate that goes to the polls next November is in fact one which trusts Republicans more than Democrats on education and social security, then Democrats will lose the Senate seat in Pennsylvania and undoubtedly almost every other competitive race -- it will be really, really ugly for them. But I just have a little bit of trouble accepting that as a likely scenario."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/likely-voters-and-unlikely-scenarios.html

Posted by: mnteng | August 25, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Sure they can, JRM2, just like those other terrorists who were released but caught again on the battlefield.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"-- my concern is the ACLU getting those terrorists released.

Posted by: JakeD"
---
The ACLU cannot get "terrorists" released.

Posted by: JRM2 | August 25, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Everybody has gotten so civil, I think I liked this blog better when chrisfox8 and JakeD were duking it out.

Posted by: JRM2 | August 25, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Employers see adding more jobs/higher pay in coming months

http://www.comcast.net/articles/finance/20090825/BUSINESS-US-USA-WORKPLACE-JOBS/

Posted by: JRM2 | August 25, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Gee, guess republicans better find something else to run on besides hoping Obama fails.

==

Other than riling up the rubes, that's all they have

#55

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks gained Tuesday, extending the recent rally, after reports showed that consumer confidence and home prices are starting to recover.

News that President Obama is nominating Federal Reserve chief Ben Bernanke for a second term in office added to the positive sentiment."

Gee, guess republicans better find something else to run on besides hoping Obama fails.

Posted by: drindl | August 25, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"Pear-shaped"? Nothing wrong with that, my dear. Happens to most of us when we get older.

Posted by: drindl | August 25, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse


I realize that 14 months out polls can be screwy, but Rasmussen's numbers concerning Toomey were so daffy I figured they must have a Fair and Balanced kind of outlook. What is the feeling about Robo-calling does it work or does it go all pear-shaped?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 25, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

#54

@BB: might be a good idea to include the totals in these stat posts, perhaps even a third column with the percentage of the total

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

More predictable violence from teabaggers...

"A “vandalism spree” hit the Colorado Democratic Party headquarters in Denver today, where the “vandal allegedly used a hammer to smash” 11 windows. Party Chairwoman Pat Waak attributed the violence to the intensity surrounding the health care debate, saying, “Clearly there’s been an effort on the other side to stir up hate. I think this is the consequence of it.” Waak estimated the damage at approximately $11,000. The Denver Police Department reportedly has a man in custody regarding the incident. "

Posted by: drindl | August 25, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Updated blog stats:

Name Count
JakeD 77
GoldAndTanzanite 53
mikeinmidland 26
DDAWD 15
yeswiican 14
broadwayjoe 10
bsimon1 9
AndyR3 8
drindl 6
margaretmeyers 6
mark_in_austin 6
scrivener50 5
jasperanselm 4
dont_remember 2
FairlingtonBlade 2
mnteng 2
Blarg 1
bobbywc 1
footee 1
JRM2 1
jrosco3 1
matthewjblack 1
nodebris 1

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 25, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

On Bernanke, Simon Johnson's "chat" today is a must read.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/08/25/DI2009082501197.html

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 25, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to find Silver's projections for the popular vote. I couldn't, but in doing so, I went back to the blog postings on the day of the election. It really put a lump in my throat to re-read some of those posts and to go down memory lane.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

even on nov. 3, rasmussen had 118 electoral votes in toss up or leaning status. this left obama 9 short of a lock. they were pandering to their right-wing customers all the way.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

excellent analysis by silver, whatever you want to call him. thanks ddawd.

Quinnipac's question is the best:

Do you support or oppose giving people the option of being covered by a government health insurance plan that would compete with private plans?

support 62 oppose 32

that leaves only 6% undecided, which is another indication of a well-written question. (sometimes "i'm not sure" means "i'm not sure i understand the question.")

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"@DDAWD: I think Nate Silver has emerged from electoral predictions into a truly pivotal pollster. A lot of us followed 538 during the election as much as electoral-vote.com for the last two, and Silver never let us down.

Excellent forward, by the way, thanks.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite"

Silver isn't really a pollster. He is more of a compiler. Like realclearpolitics.com He just uses a more complex way of analyzing them rather than simply taking the average. (I'm sure you know this, but I'm explaining to the uninitiated)

I believe he got all 50 states correct. That's not all that impressive. I did too (except NE-2) What really struck me is that he got the popular vote count to within half a percent of what actually happened.

www.fivethirtyeight.com

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: I think Nate Silver has emerged from electoral predictions into a truly pivotal pollster. A lot of us followed 538 during the election as much as electoral-vote.com for the last two, and Silver never let us down.

Excellent forward, by the way, thanks.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Missouri was a nail-biter (0.14% difference in the votes) eventually going to McCain.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/how-to-poll-on-public-option.html

Nate Silver's take on how the public option should be polled. He lists five criteria

1) Make is clear that the government is providing INSURANCE and not SERVICES.

2) Make it clear that by "public," you mean "government" since a co-op could also be considered public.

3) Don't compare to medicare since this is sort of leading people to approve of the PO.

4) Make it clear that the PO is an OPTION. You can still go private if you like.

5) Ask whether they SUPPORT it, not whether it is IMPORTANT.

The reasoning behind these criteria are elaborated on in the link.

Silver mentions two polls that fit the criteria. Both are overwhelmingly in support of the PO with very few undecideds.

I always found the science of poll construction interesting. This is a good breakdown of how it should be done.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain actually got 173 EVs (and you wonder why the Lurkers need SOMEONE to keep your side in line ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Just like "most people" don't know TEABAGGING is meant as a derogatory comment?

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Rasmussen predict a double-digit McCain win?

Why would anyone listen to them at all when they get it as wrong as that? We're *how* many generations past Dewey Wins?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachman says the battle against improved access to health care willl be won "on our knees."

==

Is this uh woman as seriously out of touch as this?

Most people when they hear about dropping to the knees aren't thinking about prayer.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/health/policy/25georgia.html?_r=1&hp

The Times has an article that points up many of the things I am most worried about in the health care reform debate. Kevin Sack is making a living interviewing the scared and well-provided and then reprinting their uninformed fears as if they were reasonable. meet Bob. Bob's a nice guy in Georgia who is worried that Obama is taking over everything and is going to ruin his *great health care deal* by insuring others.

==

Note what he lists as this couple's source of "information" .. Fox News, DrudgeReport. Their heads are stuffed with lies.

I agree, this is despicable reporting; relaying the uninformed fears of low-information voters as straight news and not a single comment about how everything they believe is false.

Obviously the lying conservatives pardon my redundancy are most to blame for this but I also include the relativists in the culpability, the same people who spent the 70s yapping "to each THEIR own" and talking about culture and predilection instead of about facts. The people who hastened to condemn not bad judgment but the very act of passing judgment. The ones so ready to tell the mentally ill that they're OK, so eager to believe NOTHING.

The conservatives tell the lies but the relativists paved the way for them.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

margaret:

John Marshall of Talking Points Memo is hardly a rightwing Republican.

"On the question of the quality of Rasmussen polls in general, I've been watching them closely now through at least two cycles. The toplines tend to be a bit toward the Republican side of the spectrum, compared to the average of other polls. But if you factor that in they're pretty reliable. And the frequency that Rasmussen is able to turn them around -- because they're based on robocalls -- gives them added value in terms of teasing out trends."

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

statistically, rassmussen is clearly an outlier. realclearpolitics or similar "poll of polls" makes this clear. not just on obama's approval but almost every question.

rassmussen pollees would probably claim that the sky is "trending red."

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

margaret -- yeah, rasmussen is totally republican, 24/7.

Posted by: drindl | August 25, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

No need to pray for that any more.

"Feingold: No health care bill before Christmas"

Sen. Russ Feingold told a large crowd gathered for a listening session in Iron County last week there would likely be no health care bill before the end of the year -- and perhaps not at all.

It was an assessment Feingold said he didn't like, but the prospect of no health care legislation brought a burst of applause from a packed house of nearly 150 citizens at the Mercer Community Center.

"Nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas, and maybe not even then, if this ever happens," Feingold said. "The divisions are so deep. I never seen anything like that."

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/print.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=10027

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) made an interesting appeal to conservative activists last week on a telephone town hall hosted by the conservative Susan B. Anthony List, the Minnesota Independent reports: To help stop the Democrats' health care bill, through the power of fasting and intercessionary prayer."

==

I'm all for encouraging the opposition to pray as a strategy. Especially since (*guffaw*) they think it actually does something.

Think about it .. they believe in an invisible ageless cosmic spirit who has a master plan for every quark and lepton and from whom one can ask favors by sending telepathic messages.

And four in five *believe* this tripe!!

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

oh, prayer. i was thinking she was offering something else on her knees. Not that i'd trust her.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone trust Cheney"

To shoot someone in the face, sure.

I have found with the poster in question the best thing to do is just ignore. As many have said, wish we had a way to screen him out, but scrolling works.

Michelle Bachman says the battle against improved access to health care willl be won "on our knees."

"Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) made an interesting appeal to conservative activists last week on a telephone town hall hosted by the conservative Susan B. Anthony List, the Minnesota Independent reports: To help stop the Democrats' health care bill, through the power of fasting and intercessionary prayer."

You go, girl, you fast now. Don't anything until I tell you. Nothin, you hear?

Posted by: drindl | August 25, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I remember sitting in my sixth grade class during some history lesson and feeling a sudden glow of pride at being an American. Deep, passionate love of country, so honored to be a citizen of the nation that stood for decency and humanity and compassion, the one who helped the others, the nation that stood for democracy and freedom.

That feeling is now not only entirely gone, it's inverted.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

No one is concern about terrorists escaping or wreaking mayhem in prison or creat[ing] nuclear weapons from dirt in the prison -- those are strawman arguments -- my concern is the ACLU getting those terrorists released.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

In the Fix's absence, I'd suggest everyone try his links to the best political blogs in your state. The ones he posts for PA have been great to read.

So, am I right in assuming that there is a strong element of "the best poll you can buy" when it comes to Rasmussen? Of course, this far out just about any poll is speculative bull (frame your questions loosely and hope for the best for your client), but Rasmussen polls just look *incroyable*.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 25, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

i'm not worried about it--any max prison would do. brownback and roberts seem to be worried but i think this is just more anti-obama posturing. putting a few in every state would probably be harder to sell than getting agreement in a single community, but it would answer some of the so-called worries.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

here's an idea for relocating gitmo prisoners. start by putting one in each state, then distribute by population. michigan or kansas prisons could be a target but if there are only one or two of these guys in any given prison then there is no symbolic target. plus they have no support structure inside.

==

Oh for god's sake they're not superhuman. They're no more capable of wreaking mayhem in prison than the gangbangers who'll be in there with them. They can't walk through walls and they can't create nuclear weapons from dirt in the prison yard. Just put them in prison like anyone else is prison and stop worrying about it.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

See my posts (below) re: Oliver Stone's "W" piece of fiction too.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

here's an idea for relocating gitmo prisoners. start by putting one in each state, then distribute by population. michigan or kansas prisons could be a target but if there are only one or two of these guys in any given prison then there is no symbolic target. plus they have no support structure inside.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

thanks for wasting a trillion dollars preventing that mushroom cloud in iraq, dick. we could have paid for a lot of health care with that.

==

Not to mention about 4500 troops would still be alive, their children would have fathers. There would be tens of thousands of troops who wouldn't be living the rest of their lives missing their eyes or their limbs or their minds. Al Qaida would have trouble recruiting young men willing to blow themselves up. The reputation of the USA on the world stage wouldn't be sullied by torture and invasion.

But hey, Georgie got to wear his flight suit and Halliburton and Blackwater got some really luxy contracts.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Lurkers:

Keep in mind that their definition of "lie" includes GWB's infamous 16 words: "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa"?

http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_16_words_on_iraq_uranium.html

PROVEN "NOT A LIE".

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

My sole suggestion is an option to ignore individual posters, so that I could more easily skip over utterly predictable, moronic, off-topic ramblings about Obama's birth certificate, the cost of the White House, small fringe parties in California, and the like.

==

Let me second this suggestion. There is one poster here whom no others want to read or hear from. It's be nice if we could all just click "Ignore" and let him write to himself alone.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

cheney is a special case. to determine whether he is lying, watch closely. If his lips move, he's lying.

thanks for wasting a trillion dollars preventing that mushroom cloud in iraq, dick. we could have paid for a lot of health care with that.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of liars, Dick Cheney claims again that torturing prisoners stopped additional "terrorist attacks." Needless to say there is no corroboration from intelligence agencies.

We all remember the carefully timed threat elevations, the arrests, disgruntled bigmouths with no access even to ordinary construction explosives rounded up and treated as AQ infiltrators, and of course Jose Padilla, his mind destroyed for having a big mouth.

Does anyone believe Cheney?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

in political reporting, "liar" is assumed.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

to save space, kansas city star uses (R) after name to denote "idiot."

==

I thought that denoted "liar"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

to save space, kansas city star uses (R) after name to denote "idiot."

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Pat Roberts the former chair of the Intelligence committee, the guy who blocked one investigation after another?

A major Bush enabler, a guy who deserves to rot in prison and burn in hell.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 25, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

from the Kansas City Star 8/13
http://www.kansascity.com/437/story/1381413.html

For some reason, the editors of the Star always leave out the descriptor 'idiot' when refering to Brownback and Roberts but the rest of the article seems accurate.

Kansas' two Republican senators, Sam Brownback and Pat Roberts, oppose proposals to move detainees to Fort Leavenworth, and have held up the nomination of New York Republican Rep. John McHugh for Army secretary until they receive more information from the Obama administration about the possible Leavenworth choice.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., called on her Kansas colleagues to relent on Thursday, saying it's in the best interest of the Army and the nation to swiftly allow the nomination to move forward.

Posted by: dont_remember | August 25, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Mark,
Sorry it wasn't about base closure it was about the gitmo prisoners as someone else pointed out. Either way it is the Republican kansas senators that are blocking the appointment

Posted by: AndyR3 | August 25, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Mark,
McCugh isn't being confirmed because Senator Brownback and another republican aren't happy about base closures in their states and they want him to promise not to close them, which Obama or him won't do.

Thsi has nothing to do with the democrats

Posted by: AndyR3 | August 25, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Scrivner, you DOG!

Now, I'm going to give you such a nice pat on the head. pat pat pat.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 25, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

your tin foil must be loose.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is NOT an American.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

No, my favorite movie quote:

"Only now, at the end, do you understand."

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

((((It's not just me. Even Mr. Cillizza (on last Friday's chat) dismissed his ranting about this blog being targeted by paid operatives. GoldAndTanzanite / chrisfox8 knows that's not true as well.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse))))


JakeD's favorite movie quote:

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"


http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

PS -- No one who matters is reading this blog today. So why do they continue to post?

CLUE: "Piece work."

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 25, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Feingold DID say that he opposed legislation to require gun registration, and he said such legislation would die a quick death in the Senate.

"I have opposed gun registration all my life, and I will continue to oppose it," he said. "We've got the votes in the Senate to kill that."

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, drindl:

"Feingold: No health care bill before Christmas"

Sen. Russ Feingold told a large crowd gathered for a listening session in Iron County last week there would likely be no health care bill before the end of the year -- and perhaps not at all.

It was an assessment Feingold said he didn't like, but the prospect of no health care legislation brought a burst of applause from a packed house of nearly 150 citizens at the Mercer Community Center.

"Nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas, and maybe not even then, if this ever happens," Feingold said. "The divisions are so deep. I never seen anything like that."

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/print.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=10027

No mention how many guns were brought to the meeting ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

dont_remember:

Michigan was also floated as a possible new home for GTMO terrorists, so better they should end up in a blue State.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"SO WHY HAS HIS APPOINTMENT NOT BEEN CONFIRMED?
Is this a D strategy in the Senate? Reid controls the frigging docket and calendar. We are conducting military operations on the ground without a SecArmy.

Posted by: mark_in_austin"

Because the idiot Senators from the great state of Kansas are playing political blackmail with the President. They are blocking the appointment until Obama pledges to not relocate anyone from Gitmo to Ft Leavenworth

Posted by: dont_remember | August 25, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

O.K., I will agree that Oliver Stone's "W" movie was moronic -- it's fine if no one wants to disagree with that assessment -- as for being "off topic", someone below already noted: "Since there is no nominal topic is today a free-for-all?"

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

CC:

My sole suggestion is an option to ignore individual posters, so that I could more easily skip over utterly predictable, moronic, off-topic ramblings about Obama's birth certificate, the cost of the White House, small fringe parties in California, and the like.

Posted by: nodebris | August 25, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

i wouldn't get too worked up about a ny congressman not being confirmed as secarmy just yet. yes we have 2 wars going on but its not like this guy is going to contribute much in the short term. nice way to remove an incumbent R in ny though.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"SO WHY HAS HIS APPOINTMENT NOT BEEN CONFIRMED?
Is this a D strategy in the Senate? Reid controls the frigging docket and calendar. We are conducting military operations on the ground without a SecArmy.

Posted by: mark_in_austin"

I think the last guy stays on the job until the new guy gets confirmed. Either that, or he's the acting Sec. After the Walter Reed thing broke, IIRC, the sitting sec got canned and the new guy was acting sec until he got confirmed a few months later.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 25, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

It's not just me. Even Mr. Cillizza (on last Friday's chat) dismissed his ranting about this blog being targeted by paid operatives. GoldAndTanzanite / chrisfox8 knows that's not true as well.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

yeswiican wrote:

"obama sticking with bernanke is further proof that he is not a partisan idealogue. "

That brings to mind another R appointment of his; Cong. McHugh, senior R of the House ASC, as SecArmy, in early JUNE.

Mr. McHugh, a nine-term House member, represents a sprawling northern New York district that includes Fort Drum. He has a solid reputation for his knowledge of military affairs, and also serves on the Board of Visitors for the United States Military Academy at West Point.

SO WHY HAS HIS APPOINTMENT NOT BEEN CONFIRMED?
Is this a D strategy in the Senate? Reid controls the frigging docket and calendar. We are conducting military operations on the ground without a SecArmy.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 25, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Oh, good grief! What have I done? Sorry, all, for unleashing Jake on scriv again. No sense posting here any more until CC gets back with some real discussion topics.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

scrivener50:

Where's your "formal" demand? You didn't post it on the ACLU blog with "directions" to forward to WaPo lawyers, did you? Was it "censored" again, or did the NSA target your print card? What's to blame this time?

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

obama sticking with bernanke is further proof that he is not a partisan idealogue. i've seen extended interviews with bernanke and he is a genuine down-to-earth small-town guy who happens to be a republican. he was the perfect guy to avert a depression. good on obama for sticking with him.

for 2010, it means more of these extraordinary measures will be rolled back on schedule as the economy improves. makes obama admin seem more credible and centrist. all good for avoiding congressional losses.

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Here's a topic,
What does the Bernanke reappointment mean for Obama, and the 2010 midterm election?

My thoughts are that it shows that Obama thinks that the economic indicators look good and that by keeping Bernanke on he can keep the train rolling down the tracks. If it works out that they get things back on track and the economy starts hiring back jobs by this April or so then I think the Dems may avoid the off year losses that almost every president has to endure.

If this happens I think you will start to hear grumblings about Social Security reform and updating the system. That and reducing the deficit will be the major domestic issue going into the 2012 election.

Posted by: AndyR3 | August 25, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

thx for the "pick" mark... going into withdrawal....need a "fix" bad

Posted by: yeswiican | August 25, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/health/policy/25georgia.html?_r=1&hp

The Times has an article that points up many of the things I am most worried about in the health care reform debate. Kevin Sack is making a living interviewing the scared and well-provided and then reprinting their uninformed fears as if they were reasonable. meet Bob. Bob's a nice guy in Georgia who is worried that Obama is taking over everything and is going to ruin his *great health care deal* by insuring others.

Bob's great deal is that his wife wouldn't have insurance (his company only insures the employee) except that he pays 6K to have her covered (not a bad price).

Bob's great deal is that their premium has increased 15% a year lately and their copays have quadrupled.

Bob's great deal is that when his wife had breast cancer, coverage of her chemo was denied by their insurer and they were left with $63,000 in bills. (They got their bill reduced -- probably some "intrusive" government program made this possible).

Bob's great deal is if he was laid-off he would lose his great deal and his wife might be uninsurable in the future as a cancer survivor.

What I hate about the article is that Bob's got a lot of opinions of about how this reform is going to benefit “lazy and irresponsible people who play the system,”
BUT Bob refuses to see how reform is going to benefit his family by making his insurance portable and permanent (as opposed to what he has)and cheaper and better (as opposed to what he has).

This Blog Kevin Sack is writing is so passive and so lazy you wonder what the point of it is. If the Times is just going to daily repeat, unchallenged, a lot of simplistic thinking about a complicated topic they might as well leave the "reporting" to Fox. The people they are interviewing are merely repeating the disinformation dealt by conservative news and advocacy groups -- no thinking intervenes.


Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 25, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"The righteous man makes judgments on all things ..."

As I have pointed out, in prior threads, Bush's infamous 16 words are not a "lie". Truthfully, Stone does a decent job portraying why everyone thought Saddam had other WMD. His speculation that Cheney ever gave a PowerPoint presentation about attacking Iran is completed undocumented (although I appreciated the "annotations" part as to other aspects). Overall, it was a good piece of fiction. He did not have to stoop to "king_of_zouk" level in the DVD commentary calling Bush or Rumsfeld petty names.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

"Petty, Mr. Stone, very petty." Jaked

And jake knows from petty.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 25, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Mark's Pick:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/24/AR2009082402470.html

Wherein Eugene Robinson argues FOR investigation and possible prosecution of detainee abuse.

The USA used different war crimes standards for Germany than for Japan and used a different standard in Capt. Medina's case in "nam than in Lt. Calley's.

The two most common standards can be characterized as 1] "knew or should have known" and 2] "absolute responsibility for everything within one's command". A third standard, 3] "actual knowledge before the fact or actual control" has sometimes been used.

If the standard is "knew or should have known" [Nurnberg] then the Justice memos of Yoo, etc., should insulate the interrogators from any action within those memos being war crimes. However, if interrogators went outside those memos, as some did, they are possible indictees. This approach does insulate almost all persons above the level of operative, probably.

What standard would you impose? Would you make Casey or the DCI absolutely responsible for everyone in their command? [Japan trials standard]. Would you make Yoo responsible for a memo that allowed violations of Geneva, even if it insulated the operatives?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 25, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

The real question is not "Is God on our side?". We always need to ask if WE are on God's side. All in all, GWB was on God's side. History will tell that story.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 3:28 AM | Report abuse

Lots of "dramatic license ... This never could have really happened this way". Gen. Powell never said this. I note that Stone keeps calling Bush JUNIOR (even though the entire movie is called "W") and Donald RumsFIELD. Petty, Mr. Stone, very petty. I'm glad I finally listened to the DVD commentary. No explanation why he included GWB vs. The Pretzel.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 2:41 AM | Report abuse

It is almost worth it to hear Stone admit his Bush hatred and learn GWB put him in a "darker state" and "it really took the air out of me, and I think, a confidence away to a certain degree, my heart."

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I just finished watching Oliver Stone's "W". Interesting movie (I like how he credits GWB for the 1988 Willie Horton ad. Who knew he was such a political genius. Also, making fun of Condi Rice and the coalition of the willing when the first thing on the DVD commentary is how complicated making a movie is with 12 producers and such. LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

jroscoe--- we need to get rid of the 24/7 loons, that's all..

Posted by: drindl | August 24, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

So as of Fairlingtonblade's post at 9:15, out of 173 comments, 115 of them were by three people. I would like to reiterate my suggestion that the number of posts by each commenter be limited in some way, and that will probably mean a character limit as well because some will try to abuse a post limit by posting long winded comments.

Hijackers who spout their own agendas and rail on each other ruin the comments section and impede a free flowing discussion by those of us who would like to discuss the topic at hand but don't want to wade through the endless muck. I am also sickened by the assassination talk which is abominable and should be stricken from the site.

Best wishes to The Fix during the break -- looking forward to whatever "fixes" are deemed appropriate to further improve the blog.

Posted by: jrosco3 | August 24, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please, because I lumped your posts in with the wacko conspiracy theories? Even Mr. Cillizza dismissed your ranting about anyone targeting this blog. Get a life, scrivener50.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

TO: JakeD @ 8:29 p.m.

You have seriously libeled me. I intend to formally demand that WaPo ban you from its blogs by your posting name, and by your IP address.

Tell your handlers that I am not kidding.

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 24, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Are his tweets worthwhile? I'm assuming not. I had actually signed up for the text messaging thing, but I learned who the VP pick was long before I got any text on the subject.

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I've only had that one. It had a link to whitehouse.gov but I didn't try to read it on my phone.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"In his twitter tweets Obama refers to the death panel rhetoric as lies (I added Obama to my follow list and made it a device follow so they come to my phone)."

Are his tweets worthwhile? I'm assuming not. I had actually signed up for the text messaging thing, but I learned who the VP pick was long before I got any text on the subject.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

In his twitter tweets Obama refers to the death panel rhetoric as lies (I added Obama to my follow list and made it a device follow so they come to my phone).

Why does he not call it the same thing in speeches? Lies they are.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't know about anyone else BB but I'm not in any "cage match" here

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I hope everyone had a good day, especially CC! Today's posters in descending order. The cage match continues...

BB

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Name Count
JakeD 51
GoldAndTanzanite 38
mikeinmidland 26
broadwayjoe 10
DDAWD 10
bsimon1 9
AndyR3 5
jasperanselm 4
drindl 3
mark_in_austin 3
scrivener50 3
FairlingtonBlade 2 (including this one)
margaretmeyers 2
mnteng 2
Blarg 1
bobbywc 1
footee 1
JRM2 1
matthewjblack 1

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 24, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

There were "attempts" against GWB too -- there are crazies on both sides of the aisle -- the difference being I don't "hope" for them.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

There's no question in my mind that there will be an attempt on Obama's life. There are too many guns showing up when he speaks, there are too many red-faced Republicans deranged by paranoid fury and, more to the point, we are a nation with far too many assassinations in our history. It's not exactly unforseeable. JFK was the first Catholic just as Obama is the first black and people were nowhere near as enraged about JFK as about Obama.

If the attempt is successful then game over. Republicans all over America will cheer, Democrats will weep, we'll have riots and recriminations but there will be no bringing him back.

If the attempt is unsuccessful then there will be unapologetic reprisals against right9-wing groups, there will be arrests, there will be interrogations, there will be new laws about packing heat at public rallies, and there will be clarity and clarification on that idiotic Second Amendment.

Does anyone who doesn't believe that all this birther rhetoric is all about?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

OT (like what's on-topic today):

Wikipedia is going to start moderating some edits.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/technology/internet/25wikipedia.html?hp

I can only wonder what the hell they were thinking by letting just anyone do edits. Certain subjects like "Iran" have been locked down for some time because yahoos would edit in things like "it's a terrorist state!"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Just in case the Secret Service take a look at this thread re: GoldAndTanzanite / chrisfox8's threat ("drindl" would have reported me if I had typed those words at 8:18 PM):

I'm not the one claiming that H.R. 1503 is written in super-secret code intended to provoke an assassination -- neither am I "hoping" for any attempted murder simply to quench partisan objectives vs. the 2nd Amendment or anything else -- that sounds more like "37thandOStreet" and/or "scrivener50" territory to me.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping there is no attempt in the first place.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck boycott now at 33 sponsors, incredible. Out.

P.S.: make sure to feed Tornado.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

@G&T: Ironically tonight on Hardball, Chris Matthews said exactly what you said about what the real agenda of these lunatics is. But Chris said he was not going to spell "it" out.

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What I'm hoping for is that there is an unsuccessful *attempt* and the shooter is apprehended alive.

Then we'll see some serious movement and nobody will be able to get away with screaming about investigations of right-wing groups. We'll see some arrests, we'll see some FBI infiltration, we'll hear less guff about "freedom of speech" and "the right to bear arms" and we'll see more rednecks getting their guns taken from their "cold dead fingers."

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris Matthews had never seen a Venn diagram either and gets tingles up his leg for Obama instead.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

My son's Mad Magazine showed up today -- it's just as you remember.

Rejected titles for Sarah Palin's upcoming memoirs:
1) Sarah, Plain and Trite
2) If you give a moose a shooting...
3) The Lyin', the Witch and the $180,000 Wardrobe
4) Are you there, Todd? It's me, Moron
5) Stupid Answers to Snappy Questions

13 year-old Flynn's suggestion:
6) The Poky Little Governor

or my own:
7) A light in the attic (nobody's home)

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 24, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

@G&T: Ironically tonight on Hardball, Chris Matthews said exactly what you said about what the real agenda of these lunatics is. But Chris said he was not going to spell "it" out.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

VOTE for Tarkanian or Lowden (either one a vast improvement over Harry "Dingy" Reid ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

@broadwayjoe: Reid is astonishingly spineless for a guy who used to be a boxer. I tried to see him as trying to hoe a bipartisan furrow but then came the NIMBY stuff with Guantánemo and that was it for me. We need a new majority leader. Reid is a cave-in-man.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, sooner rather than later ...

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Because, someday, the Dems will be in the minority again. Your side will then regret invoking the nuclear option, abusing the budget reconciliation process for nationalized healthcare, and all the "Teabagger" / birth-of-a-nation name-calling. While some "racists" are undoubtedly calling for Obama's birth certificate as well, not everyone who has doubts about it is a "racist" (try looking up Venn diagram someday).

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I remember 37thAndO from the other Comments sections like the ones after EJ Dionne's articles. He was a real nutjob.

There's this "ekim" guy, there's "DwightCollins," a few others, all indistinguishably nuts.

Registration isn't enough. This place needs to be moderated.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Beats me why Reid doesn't also go for the nuclear option, abolishing the filibuster. What's there to lose?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

No, it died when with was referred to a Democratic-controlled committee for review. Currently, there is no federal agency tasked with confirming that any party's candidate is 35 years old, a resident of the United States for at least fourteen years, and a natural-born citizen. The FEC should do so, regardless of which party is in power. Considering the havoc that could be caused by a Constitutional crisis on this issue, I think it is reasonable to require that information for all Presidential elections from here on out (again, "real argument" WARNING for any lurkers out there ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

And the Democrats are going to go for "budget reconciliation" requiring only 51 votes, and telling the Republicans to go stuff themselves. So yeah, it's good.
____________________

Bout time.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, HR 1503 died when one of those birth-of-a-nation-ers who sponsored it refused to produce his birth certificate when asked.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe:

That sounds alot like "scrivener50" to be honest.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Gates-gate was the fake media controversy surrounding BHO's mention of the false arrest of Harvard professor Skip Gates for the crime of housed while black. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, never mind. I thought there was some controversy with Obama's SecDef. I remember now.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's be candid about one thing: what the GOP is hoping for here is that one of their minions will get amped up enough to kill the President.

They'll all issue their ritual condemnations afterward but out of sight of the cameras they'll be lifting glasses of bourbon and toasting each other.

That's what all this birth certificate crap is about, make no mistake.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Before you-know-who there was a legendary troll named 37thandO and other variations.

It was 37's insane serial postings that in part led CC to institute the registration of posters. Now, from the September 2008 Fix archives, in his multiple line spaced glory, presenting...37thandO--

"The reason so many posters on THE FIX ARE UPSET is that the Obama campaign has over 300 paid staff bloggers who harass and mock internet bloggers who do not agree with the Obama campaign's ultraliberal views.


It is true.


The Obama campaign, and the candidate and his wife in particular, are hostile toward FREEDOM OF SPEECH OF BLOGGERS because they lump Constitutional Freedoms into a Constitution which they believe is at fault over the Slave Trade, over the Dred Scott Decision, over the Jim Crow era, over all the stuff that you have read in your dusty history book.


This is what we want:


1) We would like the Washington Post to require ALL the internet posters at the Obama campaign, paid and unpaid, including volunteers, to identify themselves in their postings as a part of the Obama Campaign. That way when these people harass and mock other internet bloggers everyone can see clearly that it is the Obama Campaign engaging in such UNAMERICAN AND ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR.


2) We would like the Editors and Reporters at the Washington Post to clearly state to the Obama Campaign that harassing and mocking the readers of the Washington Post is unacceptable behavior for a candidate for President of the United State, a position which is suppose to protect FREEDOM OF SPEECH NOT TRAMPLE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


3) We would like a PUBLIC APOLOGY FROM OBAMA AND HIS WIFE WHO IS RUNNING THIS UNDERHANDED INTERNET CAMPAIGN OF HARASSMENT AND MOCKERY - AND A FIRM COMMITMENT FROM BOTH OBAMA AND HIS WIFE THAT THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THEIR CAMPAIGN OR FAMILY MEMBERS TO ENGAGE IN THIS UNAMERICAN AND ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR ANYMORE.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | September 26, 2008 10:26 AM"

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"None of the racial proxy issues, e.g., Gates-gate, has gone anywhere against BHO."

What is Gates-gate?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe:

It's not just Rep. Franks (R-AZ); don't forget H.R. 1503 To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution, submitted by Rep. Posey (R-FL) and 10 co-sponsors: Rep. Blackburn (R-TN), Rep. Burton (R-IN), Rep. Campbell (R-CA), Rep. Carter (R-TX), Rep. Culberson (R-TX), Rep. Gohmert (R-TX), Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA), Rep. Marchant (R-TX), Rep. Neugebauer (R-TX), and Rep. Poe (R-TX).

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

And the Democrats are going to go for "budget reconciliation" requiring only 51 votes, and telling the Republicans to go stuff themselves. So yeah, it's good.

Let them scream all they want. It's not like they've been doing anything since the election but acting like spoiled children.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's a "real argument" re: Obama's vacation:

1) It costs us taxpayers over $2 BILLION to run the White House / fly him all over the world.

2) We are in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression.

Therefore, Obama should cut (or, at least, shift) costs and stay home.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

It's all good.

BHO, at a strong 58% (DailyKos, 8/24), is on a well deserved vacation. The economy is stabilizing. Many of the blue dogs are getting exposed as just dogs by their constituents. The birthers have run out of steam except for the one Congressman (Franks) still demanding BHO's [non-existent] long form birth certificate. None of the racial proxy issues, e.g., Gates-gate, has gone anywhere against BHO. Janeane Garofalo called out the teabaggers, again, as racists in her standup act. Jon Stewart humiliated Betsy (death panel) McCaughey on his show. No more Palin in 2012, Pawlenty in 2012, Chip Salsman good guy, or GOP comeback posts recently in the Fix. Dr. Maddow aced Meet the Press.

That's a good thing.
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...out in the night when the full moon is bright...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

@jasper: it's not for money, he gets some kind of gratification out of being irritating. I don't uderstand it but there is no doubt that's what's behind it. The very last thing he wants to do is post anything that anyone agrees with or which offers a real argument. He's 100% motivated by by being annoying and while ChrisC seems disinclined to do anything about it, it doesn't mean we have to give him the attention he needs.

That crap about lurkers is pure BS. When he doesn't get responses to goes berserk trying.

Let's not only not answer him, but not refer to him either. Let his stupid posts sit among the others like zouk's used to, unanswered, unnoticed, and just do Report Abuse when he goes over the top as he absolutely will.

To hell with him.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Thè ñümþé® þäð î§ ¥öû® f®ìëñð

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

jakey, for some reason you actually think that anyone on this blog could give a hoot about what you have to say. I have no idea where you would get that idea. It's pretty evident that no one on this blog can stand you. Yet, you keep at it. Your employer must be compensating you well for you to continue polluting this blog.

It's definitely time to ignore you again, adios.

Posted by: jasperanselm | August 24, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, Mike Huckabee (who knows, he may be a "lurker" here too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

:) don't have your software...

==

I use software for Vietnamese but for ordinary European diacritics the number pad is Your Friend.

ñ = Alt-0241 (on the number pad, holding down the Alt key)

The Windows character map (Accessories | System Tools | Character Map) gives a list

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

":) don't have your software...

Posted by: broadwayjoe"

Run charmap

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

:) don't have your software...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

By definition, "lurkers" don't post what they want to read or not read. You have your guess, as do I.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I said Senor de la Vega would return when his country needed him. I was right.

==

"Señor"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

The streak is broken. Time to start a new one. It's just a whole lot more pleasant when people don't respond to him.

==

It has been. And as soon as he started to get responses he started all the same tired routines all over again, and nobody here wants to read them.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Then please follow DDAWD's advice. You seem to think that I care to debate you or that I take these arguments personally -- don't forget that I am merely serving as the Devil's Advocate -- hopefully, enough lurkers start asking the same questions themselves.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I said Senor de la Vega would return when his country needed him. I was right.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | August 24, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Actually jakey, I'm not even remotely interested in chatting with you. You have never expressed any ideas that are worth debating.

You're just an annoying housefly on this blog that should be rightly ignored.

Posted by: jasperanselm | August 24, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Again, not to answer any specific question, the only way to get on the blacklist (does not mean I will "ignore" you like DDAWD is urging you to do to me) is to repeatedly not answer simple questions asked of you directly -- it's common courtesy really -- I will still be civil toward you, maybe even "like" you otherwise, but all the inclusion on said list means is that I won't be answering your questions to me. Does anyone ELSE have a question about that?

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, the horrors! I'm on the troll's blacklist! How will I survive the injustice of it all...........why, why, why doesn't he like me?

Posted by: jasperanselm | August 24, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

P.S. do you think it is "racist" to even ask these questions?

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

lurkers:

Think about your financial situation right now. Are you better off than you were a year ago? Did you and your family get to take ANY vacation this summer? Millions of your fellow Americans are un(-der) employed. Just be thankful you still have a job. Do you think that Obama should lead by example and cut back "vacations" and all Air Force One trips except for some national emergency?

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

mikeinmidland:

Please heed DDAWD's "advice" and quit posting to and about me. That way I can post solely to lurkers.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Kenyans.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"Well, you can refer to him all you want now, since what you agreed to was not to "encourage him." Since you did that by commenting on his posts recently, you already broke that pact."

Yeah, perhaps we should update the pact. No talking to JakeD and no talking ABOUT JakeD. He had actually cooled off quite a bit when we were in full ignore mode. Then became encouraged when people started talking about his response to being ignored. Now he's back to full force.

The streak is broken. Time to start a new one. It's just a whole lot more pleasant when people don't respond to him.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"Only to the extent" applies to Panamanians as well as Hawaiians. Got it.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"I would be urging President McCain to cut back had he won too ..."

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

So you admit it has nothing to do with vacations and using Air Force One during a recession.

"Only to the extent." Well of course he is a natural-born citizen and the President of the United States, and that's what is really burning you.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, shut up, GoldAndTanzanite / chrisfox8 / Cheopys1: given the number of times YOU posted to me when DDAWD pleaded with you to stop, you are hardly in any position to chastise Mike.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"TAG? Timneh African Grey?"

Tight and AGgressive?

According to the wiki page political theorists think that the AIP has the membership that it has simply because people who don't want to be affiliated with a party (independents) check that box on the voter registration instead of the "decline to state" box.

Posted by: DDAWD

==

Which means that the AIP gets most of its alleged membership from .. you ready?

... people who don't know any better.

That seems congruent.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"ending the economy" happens when China calls in our loans.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

This is like watching a neighbor's house burning down

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I would be urging President McCain to cut back on travel and "vacations" if he had won and was doing as much too.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

It "burns" me only to the extent he is not a natural-born citizen and, therefore, not legitimately President of the United States; you ARE on the blacklist (I was telling you who else was on said list with you ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"help the economy"

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, you can refer to him all you want now, since what you agreed to was not to "encourage him." Since you did that by commenting on his posts recently, you already broke that pact.

And of course your little list doesn't include me, but that doesn't stop you from your petulant stance. It's a simple question, really, not at all personal and directly related to your post.

You want people to be mad that Obama is using AF1 (and the rest of the trappings of a modern US President) in a recession. I simply asked how reducing such use would help end the economy.

The answer is that it wouldn't. Your lame answer is that those people can be re-tasked. Well, at least that wouldn't *extend* the recession.

What you really want is for Obama to stop acting like the President. It burns you to see him walking across the White House lawn, getting on Marine One, coming down the steps from AF1. You won't like it any better when we are out of recession. That's pretty close to the definition of a canard.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 is anything but tight.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"TAG? Timneh African Grey?"

Tight and AGgressive?

According to the wiki page political theorists think that the AIP has the membership that it has simply because people who don't want to be affiliated with a party (independents) check that box on the voter registration instead of the "decline to state" box.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I do not keep any log of which questions are not answered -- suffice it to say that I attempt to ask such questions at least twice before resorting to the blacklist -- which is rather short, all things considered: only JRM2, chrisfox8 (and all his aliases), drindl, DDAWD, koolkat69, Hawaiiexpat, MarSF, jasperanselm, opp88, ModerateVoter (NOT!) and rooster54. I also have a note dated 8/11/09 to not refer to "scrivener50".

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, mike, that much attention will keep him going for another month at least

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I got a feeling this particular comment section is going to get a lot of use for the next week

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Jake, of course, I will accept your standand evasion technique. I don't recall ever having refused to answer a direct question from you, but that's OK. I'm sure you've been wracking your memory for it and would have provided the date and time if you could, to prove what a reasonable person you are.

If you happen to think of that all-important question, please ask it now.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

are your ears burning in shame, mike?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

As I said, for that amount, fund "Cash for Clunkers" another month -- I didn't say "don't spend it at all -- you could keep most government workers employed (on routine practice flights, etc.) or re-assign them to more productive uses by announcing no AF1 trips, except for national emergencies, until further notice.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

And for the last time, please explain how reducing government spending will get us out of the recession.

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This is an article of right-wing faith, that cutting taxes (on the wealthy, to be sure, since prosperity begins at the top and the wealthy will be encouraged to "take risks" and to "invest" in the USA instead of in India) is the answer to all economic problems.

Cutting taxes cures warts too.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

mikeinmidland:

Since you've refused to answer my questions to you in the past, I'm sure you will excuse me not answering your questions to me.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"One speaker said he could trace his ancestors back to the Mayflower and said “they did not arrive holding their hands out for help.”"
---
Ummm, actually, they did. If it were not for the help of the native americans most of them would have not survived.

Posted by: JRM2 | August 24, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse


Stay "home?" Where, in Chicago? That $2B number you keep throwing around includes maintaining the White House.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse


GWB went to Tbilisi, yeah. He also went to Crawford, Texas a whole big mess o' times. And lot's of dual-purpose official/campaign trips in 2004.

And for the last time, please explain how reducing government spending will get us out of the recession.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I mean, for that amount, pResident Obama could simply decide to stay home for a year and fund "Cash for Clunkers" another month ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

For the last time, my concern is spending over $2 BILLION -- not just on Air Force One -- when the recession is still hitting average Americans hard. How AF1 should really be used (read the account of GWB's Tbilisi, Georgia historic visit):

https://www.afresearch.org/skins/rims/q_mod_be0e99f3-fc56-4ccb-8dfe-670c0822a153/q_act_downloadpaper/q_obj_577fc3f4-c459-4380-97b6-7c9dd32d9061/display.aspx?rs=enginespage

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see there are no flies on mikeinmidland

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse


The AF1 comments have nothing to do with the recession. When we get out of the recession they'll make the same comments about the deficit.

It's all dog-whistle code for "Don't it make ya mad when you see that uppity [Hawaiian] steppin' offa Dubya's plane?!"

For the record, it doesn't. Next canard?

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I would have said it's more like debating Pee Wee Herman..........I know you are but what am I?.............

Posted by: jasperanselm | August 24, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

No I'm not talking feeding the troll, not this time, it's just futile. You may as well debate your dining room table.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

You can tell "mikeinmidland" doesn't earn any book royalties!

Posted by: matthewjblack | August 24, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I know, I know. Don't feed the troll. But since there was no other topic being discussed anyway I thought I'd blow off a little frustration.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The costs for maintaining Air Force One, Marine One, etc., are mostly fixed costs. That is, costs per year regardless of mileage.

The pilots have to be there, ready to fly. The equipment has to be maintained and serviced. About the only "variable" cost is the amount of jet fuel.

It would, therefore, cost more for the president to travel any other way, considering the logistics of the Secret Service, etc.

But again: how does reducing government spending help to end the recession? Exactly the opposite is true. Government spending is propping up the economy right now, reducing the number of people displaced into unemployment.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The use of Air Force One by this president is consistent with previous presidents.

==

Save your breath, dude

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I am not blaming pResident Obama for taking a "vacation" either. He could simply spend less during the "worse recession since the Great Depression"©.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, "$400,000" in my 4:09 PM post should be "$400 million" (or $400,000,000 which is what I was going for, but as someone once said, a billion here and a billion there ...)

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Those auto execs got paid (not "earned") about 100x the President's salary, for running an enterprise a fraction of the size of the US Government. And they were coming to Washington with their hands out. Not good optics for them.

I'm sure there were left-wingers here blasting GWB for vacationing all the time, but I wasn't one of them. And he made very good use of that plane, doing "official business" in a city, then sneaking off to do a fund-raiser on the side.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

President Obama earns $400K per year, plus a $50K spending allowance. Perhaps he is using a large chunk of that allowance to pay for his $35,000 per week vacation spot. That's his business. I'm sure the tourist industry in Martha's Vineyard is very happy for the boost to their economy.

Please explain how reducing government spending will help end the recession. It would lower the deficit, for sure.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"the Fix will ... serve as the (unofficial) assistant coach for the Catholic University field hockey team."


And what's cooler than women's field hockey?

Women's hockey, of course. Today in MN, USA Hockey will pare down the roster that will eventually be the US Women's Hockey team at next year's winter olympics in Vancouver:

http://www.minnpost.com/patborzi/2009/08/24/11062/with_winter_olympics_six_months_away_today_is_a_key_day_for_shaping_us_womens_hockey_team

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

AF1 costs (at least) $400,000 per year to fly -- thankfully, additional jets for Pelosi's gang were cancelled -- but, what was that about the Big Three automakers "being out of touch" with America flying their private jets to D.C. earlier this year?

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

One speaker said he could trace his ancestors back to the Mayflower and said “they did not arrive holding their hands out for help.”

“I am a proud right wing terrorist,” he declared to cheers.

==

Well, yeah, they came here to set up their own violently intolerant version of Protestantism, where missing church was a capital offense. They didn't have their hands out for help because both hands were holding bludgeons.

But yeah this is nauseating. These people are talking about violent murder. And they're being egged on by office-holding Republicans.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

What part of the "worse recession since the Great Depression"© are you having trouble understanding? I'm sure most Americans who can't afford a vacation spot this year, let alone private jet, can understand.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

1) Obama is paying the rent for his vacation spot out of his pocket.

2) The use of Air Force One by this president is consistent with previous presidents.

3) Costs for operating Air Force One is classified, and as such, not included in any report. Regardless, that's a bunch of well-paid Air Force pilots and mechanics, a lot of spare parts made by good US skilled labor, etc. Sounds like a good jobs program to me. Would you rather they were all on unemployment?

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

What's srprising to me, GAT, is how fast the GOP base is becoming really, really crazy. If they form a separate party with Palin as head, she is so nuts she will be advocating secessions and whatnot. She will draw all the real crazies, the ones who are now talking about violent revolution. I mean, look at this now:

"An intriguing scene from a town-hall meeting in California hosted by GOP Rep. Wally Herger, courtesy of the Mount Shasta Area Newspapers:

One speaker said he could trace his ancestors back to the Mayflower and said “they did not arrive holding their hands out for help.”

“I am a proud right wing terrorist,” he declared to cheers.

Herger praised the man’s attitude.

“Amen, God bless you,” Herger said with a broad smile. “There is a great American.”

It appears from the context that the audience member was attempting to venture an ironic reference to descriptions of the town hall hooligans, and to publicly identify with them. So at best Rep. Herger offered a full-throated endorsement of the disrupters here. At at worst…

People are often too quick to say, “If a Democrat did this, there would be days of media outrage about it.” But let’s face it, if a Democrat did this, there would be days of media outrage about it. Not to state the obvious or anything, but right wing terrorists have been known to kill American citizens."

Here is a republican Representative, who is calling someone a great American because he calls himself a rightwing terrorist. Like Timothy McViegh, presumably.

Posted by: drindl | August 24, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I think you're right, G&T.

I'm trying to come up with a modern-day version of the destruction of the Whig Party. It is possible, but I just don't think health care is as big an issue as abolishing slavery.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of vacations, we taxpayers are spending over $2 BILLION per year to run the White House / fly pResident Obama all over the world:

http://whitehousetransitionproject.org/resources/briefing/Patterson-Cost%20of%20WH.pdf

Is it worth it, during the "worse recession since the Great Depression"©?

(© Copyright, 2009 DNC)

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

You may recall that as an IT-challenged mother of teenagers-who-will-click-on-anything I have been plagued by endless ads for Vimax, a >ahem< marital aid. This has been replaced by a plague of "Donate to Toomey" ads. Couldn't it have rained frogs instead? I would prefer the frogs.

Everyone is so amped-up right now that in the Spring the current polls will look be valueless. Really, parts of the state looked hysterical -- just the way the Republicans like 'em.

The economy will pick up, and anyway Pennsylvania has got a bong full of stimulous money coming that will have everyone smiling with little slitty eyes at Obama and the Democrats by next summer.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 24, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

If the current Republican base defects for a new, more conservative party, the remaining Republican party would consist of moderates. I doubt if true independents would join that party. However, if that meant that the GOP nominee was a moderate, and that candidate got more votes in the general election than the conservative, that could change the GOP's direction.

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I think only some of the base would defect, leaving many still influential and keeping the GOP on the far right. And secondly the leaders of the GOP aren't likely to soften any of their positions just because they've had some defections. Two "thumpin's" don't seem to have made any impression, on the contrary, they've hardened their extreme views.

A far-right third party would just split the vote, taking votes from Republicans. I think a move back to the center is at least a generation way, after the Mitch McConnells and the Grassleys die off.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Let us all give thanks to the brainless Sarah Palin -- who may finally create a rift in the rightwingers that manages to kill off the republican party forever. Go for it, Sarah!

==

Question is how many real people are going to get killed in the meantime? Lotta guns being waved around lately.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If the current Republican base defects for a new, more conservative party, the remaining Republican party would consist of moderates. I doubt if true independents would join that party. However, if that meant that the GOP nominee was a moderate, and that candidate got more votes in the general election than the conservative, that could change the GOP's direction.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Let us all give thanks to the brainless Sarah Palin -- who may finally create a rift in the rightwingers that manages to kill off the republican party forever. Go for it, Sarah!

Posted by: drindl | August 24, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The oblique reference to the July 12 "Washington Times" article leaves out the open question, stated in the article, as to whether any candidate would want her help. Apparently the gubernatorial candidatates in VA and NJ are keeping her away.

FYI, "non-partisan" has many meanings, but none of them include forming a 3rd party.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy your vaca, CC -- and thanks for cleaning up the blog!

Posted by: drindl | August 24, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I hope that someone like Gov. Palin can do it from within the confines of the GOP, but if not ...

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement"

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news51.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin:

In PA Senate news, Sestak and Toomey have agreed to have a townhall on Sept. 2 in Allentown to debate health care. Apparently, Sestak challenged Toomey via Twitter and Toomey tweeted his response. Specter has not been invited, as far as I know.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/08/21/sestak-and-toomey-twitter-their-way-to-a-debate/
http://www.mcall.com/news/all-a1_5debate.6996546aug22,0,2846592.story

Also, Rasmussen has Toomey leading Sestak by 8 (43-35) and Specter by 12 (48-36). On the other hand, Rasmussen shows Specter leading Sestak for the D nomination by 13 (47-34).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/election_2010_pennsylvania_senate_election

The numbers seem to be very soft though -- a lot of fluctuation since their last poll in June. Part of it is the health care debate, I'm sure, but a lot of it is that people aren't as familiar with either Sestak or Toomey. I don't really remember much from Toomey's last campaign except that I voted for Specter against him.

Posted by: mnteng | August 24, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I knew a guy who interviewed with Perot's company before the presidential run. He said it was a fanatic organization, that Ross was regarded with cultic reverence. My friend had just left the Navy and still had his regulation haircut; the guy who interviewed him told him he'd have to get a haircut before coming to work. The interviewer had millimeter long hair and the glint in his eyes that indicates freshly washed brains.

When he asked about salary, the interviewer got wide-eyed and instructed him frostily that he was expected to trust "Mr. Perot" to provide for all his needs.

He left the interview backing away sloooowly.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Any Republican candidate in California is going to have to get the majority of independent voters in order to get elected, when registered Democrats are 45%. Duh.

What that has to do with forming a 3rd Party, I have no clue.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Wikipedia article referred to is self-contradictory. It acknowledges that Perot ran as an independent in 1992 (as opposed to Reform Party in 1996) and yet refers to that year's effort as by a 3rd Party candidate. It was not.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

As I said, more importantly to the swing vote, there were 2,435,870 "Decline to State" (over 20% of registered voters), so there are plenty out here to form the basis of a real third party. Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina need to tap into that portion of the electorate.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

In the 1992 election, Ross Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote -- approximately 19,741,065 votes, making him the most successful third-party Presidential candidate in terms of the popular vote since Theodore Roosevelt in the 1912 election. Perot's absence of electoral votes reflects such a relatively poor outcome compared to other third parties in the past (Strom Thurmond had 39 in 1948 and George Wallace had 46 in 1968). Perot managed to finish second in only two states: In Maine, Perot received 30.44% of the vote to Bush's 30.39% (Clinton won Maine with 38.77%); In Utah, Perot received 27.34% of the vote to Clinton's 24.65% (Bush41 won Utah with 43.36%).

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

In fact, the New American Independent Party (hereinafter "NAIP") is a political party by founded by Michael Thompson in Wayne, Pennsylvania in 2004 -- it seeks a more sustainable, self-reliant America through a platform of BOTH liberal and conservative views -- NAIP focuses heavily on middle class issues:

http://www.newamericanindependent.com/Issues.html

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

TAG seems to have posted: "...just as nobody ever heard Hitler ranting about Jews."

This was either sarcasm that I missed or a restatement of history, I think.

==

TAG? Timneh African Grey?

Anyway Hitler ran riot on antisemitism in his speeches but I've read in many accounts of the period that all this was strictly for public consumption, that nobody ever heard him express hatred of Jews in private.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Ross Perot got twice as many votes as an independant in 1992 than he did as the Reform Party candidate in 1996. (Both times he got zero(0) electoral votes.)

There's a reason for that. Independent voters like independent candidates, not a slate of approved party regulars. Of any party.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The only thing more ludicrous than suggesting that these disparate parties are "swing voters" is the suggestion that they could belong to one party. Any party.

==

Yeah, Socialist Workers and Gun Owners in one big tent ....

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

In 1996, Ross Perot and Pat Choate got 8,085,402 votes (again, how many would have gone GOP, Democrat, or neither otherwise is debateable). I am not arguing that a third party will win the White House and Congress in 2012 -- it will take some time and effort -- unless Gov. Palin re-registers ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Yup, 1%. That 1%, and all the other TLIPs (Tiny Little Insignificant Parties) have one thing in common--they are NOT in the center of the political spectrum.

AIP members are extremely unlikely to vote for a Democrat, just as the Green party is not voting Republican.

The only thing more ludicrous than suggesting that these disparate parties are "swing voters" is the suggestion that they could belong to one party. Any party.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

There were actually 376,278 of us registered "American Independent" in California alone (as of May 4, 2009) -- closer to 1/2 million than 1/4 million, not even counting America's Independent Party, Constitution Party, Reform Party, etc. -- more importantly to the swing vote, however, there were 2,435,870 "Decline to State" so there are plenty out here to form the basis of a real third party.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/ror-pages/15day-stwdsp-09/county.pdf

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

bsimon, your idea about "picks" is a good one, IMO. I volunteer for the Hutchison-Perry watch. Perhaps mnteng amd margaret can do Sestak-Specter, and Andy can do the Carolinas.

TAG seems to have posted: "...just as nobody ever heard Hitler ranting about Jews."

This was either sarcasm that I missed or a restatement of history, I think.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 24, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

He was a Final Jeopardy answer during a weekend rerun.

==

Now I'm going to have that arpeggio going through my head all week

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

George Wallace ran for President as the American Independent Party candidate three times. I doubt he would have wanted anything to do with the crazy and extreme AIP of today, and he wouldn't have given Alan Keyes the time of day off his own watch.

Wallace was a segregationist but in private he was not that much of a racist, just as nobody ever heard Hitler ranting about Jews. Wallace used segregationist rhetoric as a path to power but it was the same Wallace who as a young man got into a fight defending a black youth from a racist attack.

Not defending the man for the racism he did harbor nor for his shameless use of it, but he wasn't as much of a sicko as his affiliation with the AIP wound indicate.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Nevermind, DDAWD. You're referring to George Wallace. I forgot he was AIP--I always think of the slang term "Dixiecrat."

Posted by: mikeinmidland"

He was a Final Jeopardy answer during a weekend rerun. I knew the name, just not the party, so I wiki'd him.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind, DDAWD. You're referring to George Wallace. I forgot he was AIP--I always think of the slang term "Dixiecrat."

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, this will help my productivity.

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What he said

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"I could do without the "rising" stuff altogether."

If you have something better, post it. So far, all I'm seeing from you is ridicule of he who should be ignored.


p.s. Steve Israel, a dem, was the subject of a 'rising' post:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/the-rising/steve-israel-a-door-closes-a-w.html

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD: What AIP candidate ever got electoral votes? These crackpots are not to be confused with candidates running as "Independents."

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

On-topic, if there is one:

CC, I'd agree with some others here that the "Republican Rising" stories outnumber the "Democrat Rising" stories by a lot. I understand that with the Republicans out of power, up-and-coming Republicans fit better into the resurgence meme. However, some sort of general sense of how likely these people are to actually win elections would be a good indicator of their newsworthiness.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

AIP is the last third party to get electoral votes...

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

That fringe party is about 1% of registered Californians, apparently. Their candidate was only on the ballot in 3 states--CA, CO, and FL, representing only 16% of the electoral college. One wonders what is the point of voting for someone mathematically unable to win.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, meant to write "quarter million," not "half million"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The American Independent Party is a far-right party. It's members are not to be confused with moderates or independents. Particularly they are not part of any "swing vote" since they would never vote for a Democrat in appreciable numbers.

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There aren't enough of them to vote for anyone in appreciable numbers. Their ranks appear to be swollen with people who thought they were registering as independents, which is an absurdity.

Despite membership numbering around a half a million their candidate only got a sixth that many votes nationwide.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Since this is a no-political topic post, I will make a comment on comments.

I had asked a fellow poster not to encourage a certain other poster, and he agreed to the terms. Later he hedged, saying he would not mention them by name. Referring to their posts, however, is encouragement in this forum, and that has been done lately. Therefore the agreement is null and void, and I need to clarify my stance on three points:

1) Sgt Crowley DID act stupidly to arrest Prof. Gates.

2) Code Pink activist Desiree Fairooz was arrested for assaulting a police officer, not for assaulting Condoleeza Rice. She is NOT a terrorist.

3) The American Independent Party is a far-right party. It's members are not to be confused with moderates or independents. Particularly they are not part of any "swing vote" since they would never vote for a Democrat in appreciable numbers.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I could do without the "rising" stuff altogether. ChrisC picks dull and lackluster Republicans who writes improbably excited (margaret's phrase IIRC) columns about them. Nice to have not had a Palin 2012 in a while but to get excited about a plain brown nonentity like Pawlenty or a has-been like Gingrich just feels artificial.

Never hear about a "rising" Democrat.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Since there is no nominal topic is today a free-for-all?"

In the absence of 'Fix Picks' over the next two weeks, perhaps regulars might offer picks of their own. My attempt at that was posted at 12:11 - a story on Gov Pawlenty, one of The Fix's 'rising'.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see more moderation as well. If ChrisC posted a few times a day it'd feel better and the guidance into more interesting discussions instead of only entreating others to get back on topic would be a good idea.

Not real interested in twitter and facebook involvement.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Comments about moving, field hockey, and books proposals are welcome, apparently.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 24, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The topic is as follows:

"We will also be working on making the Fix the best blog it can be -- coordinating comments from Twitter and Facebook, more "Rising" interviews etc. -- and we want to hear your feedback as well.

Try to make the criticism -- if there is any ; ) -- constructive. We welcome any and all suggestions."

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Since there is no nominal topic is today a free-for-all?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Jake, Glen Beck and his rants are great for the Democrats. Everytime he calls the president a racist the DNC raises 100k, and adds 1,000 people to their voter rolls.

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We still want him knocked off the air. Keeping him on because he radicalizes people toward the Democrats is a Republican sort of strategy. He does more than call Obama a racist, he is openly inciting violence and hysteria and it's a matter of time before someone gets killed.

The Democrats don't need any help raising money nor getting votes. What they need is to get some initiatives passed, healthcare most of all. FOX news encouraging yahoos with guns to show up at town hall meetings isn't helping that.

By the way, we don't respond to JakeD around here. He's a troll whose goal is to destroy this forum with irrelevant tangents and to get attention. We have a sort of pact here to ignore him.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The role of moderator could be helpful at times. You might read a comment by a poster which allows for honest debate and discussion. Every so often you might intervene into the discussion as ask the players to comment on another person's comments. This could extend the discussion in helpful ways and may just maybe keep the players on target

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes

Posted by: bobbywc | August 24, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"fix breaks"

Took me a minute.

Have a good vacation, Mr. C.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | August 24, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"However, if you want a house for a dollar, catch a northbound boat for St Paul:"

Heh, no way I could afford to repair all that. I wonder if demolishing the home is an option.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

TO: V. Jarrett, D. Axelrod, R. Emanuel, R. Gibbs, White House (staff, please forward)

Please see urgent message to POTUS from "scrivener" in the "comments" section of this article on "The Root" --

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/politics/not-too-late-obama-staycation

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

Palin/Pawlenty vs. Obama/Biden, you heard it here first ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

As for "constructive criticism" on improving The Fix blog, I think if you can keep up on the "chrisfox8" change of log in names / banishment, that would go a long way.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

AndyR3 writes
"Pawlenty does everything with an eye towards the national stage. The thing I don't get is that he doesn't have a snowballs chance to actually get thd nod. He is just way too plain."


I think you're probably correct, though people thought McCain was a long-shot too. Pawlenty's path to the nomination is narrow; odds are higher that he'll get the VP nod this time around.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

AndyR3:

Then Democrats should be trying to KEEP him on TV.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"Wow, a house for thirty five dollars? Even I could afford that."

I should have put the 'K' on there for thousands.

However, if you want a house for a dollar, catch a northbound boat for St Paul:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/08/24/st-paul-selling-homes-for-one-dollar/

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a house for thirty five dollars? Even I could afford that.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Pawlenty does everything with an eye towards the national stage. The thing I don't get is that he doesn't have a snowballs chance to actually get thd nod. He is just way too plain.

Jake, Glen Beck and his rants are great for the Democrats. Everytime he calls the president a racist the DNC raises 100k, and adds 1,000 people to their voter rolls.

Posted by: AndyR3 | August 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who think there is no such thing as a "LONG FORM" birth certificate, here's what it should look like (assuming that Obama was actually born in Honolulu and not "out-of-State but registered in Honolulu" as permitted at the time):

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/obama_long_form_reconstruction2.jpg

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

bsimon pick:

Is Governor Pawlenty pulling the old 'bait and switch' on climate change? Several years ago he appointed a committee to address climate change in Minnesota, but he hasn't done anything with the results, and seems to be backing away from publicly supporting any regulation or legislation that targets emissions or climate change:

http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/08/24/24climatewire-aggravation-mounts-in-minn-over-governors-sh-45611.html

"At best, it's disingenuous to have created and staffed a process that says we're going to create economic opportunities around clean energy in the Midwest, and then to abandon that process without offering any other way to move forward," Hamilton added. "What does this man really believe?"


To answer Ms. Hamilton, I think Gov Pawlenty believes that addressing climate change would be a roadblock to him being on his party's ticket for national office.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

In other news, Glenn Beck's strong ratings on Fox News -— even at 5 p.m. EDT he often outdraws whatever CNN and MSNBC show in prime-time —- make it unlikely Beck is going anywhere even as the list of advertisers avoiding him approaches three dozen.

As for pResident Obama, the press is being restricted on Martha's Vineyard this week. And Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) is considering filing a lawsuit to request Obama's LONG FORM birth certificate. Should get interesting.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"And jobs are plentiful."


Lowest unemployment in the nation: No Dak. 4.6% according to yesterday's WSJ, if I'm recalling correctly.

Here's a cozy little 4 bedroom in Lisbon for the low, low price of $34.9. Coming from CA or the east coast, many shoppers could buy the house out of their checking account.

http://www.edinarealty.com/Listing/ListingDetail.aspx?Listing=42015058

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Houses are cheap in Dakota Territory."

And jobs are plentiful.

Just buy a used parka at the Salvation Army or Goodwill and hitch a ride to Bismarck.
Streets paved with gold, I hear, or is that glare ice?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"I would think it would be at its best if large staters weren't getting so screwed in the process."

They can always move if they feel too bad about it. Houses are cheap in Dakota Territory.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"I think this our Representative Republic at its best. 300 million people all with an opinion, and its going to end up that six men and women come up with a solution that those 300 million people have to live with."

Meh, I would think it would be at its best if large staters weren't getting so screwed in the process.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 24, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Tecnically, he is an Independent-Democrat.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Jake,
Liebermann is an independent.

But I think alot of senators are trying to quietly wait for Baucus and his gang to release thier bill.

I think this our Representative Republic at its best. 300 million people all with an opinion, and its going to end up that six men and women come up with a solution that those 300 million people have to live with.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in that room, but maybe thats why I constintly need a 'fix'?

Posted by: AndyR3 | August 24, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Luckily, even some Democrats like Joe Liberman are applying the brakes.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Bsimon,
I may be way off, but the people who actually have say in the senate on this issue seem to be heading in that direction (Baucus, Snowe, etc). The question will be if they can get Kennedy to sign on to this idea. If he does (even from his bedside) then I think he could keep some of his fellow democrats in line.

I still think there is a role to play for some of the old heavy hitters in the senate on this issue, particularly Orrin Hatch. I think if Hatch came out supporting this type of compromise then he would bring at least 10 republicans with him. On the democratic side I would look to the new southern dems to lead the cheering from the left (ie Kay Hagan, Mark Warner) they take all the political risk with the possible reward. With these two groups the rank and file Dems would fall in line enough to overcome the loss of some liberals, and the DeMint sect of the GOP.

If this happens I think you will see a passing vote of 68 or so, with Ted Kennedy making it down to cast his last vote in the senate.

Posted by: AndyR3 | August 24, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Which is why I have donated to Gavin "Whether you like it or not" Newsom.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

AndyR3- if I understand what you're writing & it accurately reflects what gets passed, I can live with that. Sounds like a move in the proper direction. All that remains are significant cost controls & severing the employer as de-facto health insurance provider relationship.

On the political front, I visited San Fran this weekend. The word I got is that Jerry Brown, despite his age, will be tough to beat. Newsome, while appealing to San Franciscans won't play well enough statewide to win. My source may be biased though, as he's worked with Brown on some non-profit stuff in Oakland.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 24, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Mark,
Think that you may be right on with this. The final bill that emerges will have just that, an extension of the minimum governemnt health care with the government floating the premiums for people who can't afford it payed to private insurers. That will be tacked on to a mandate that everyone must have insurance. They will also include start-up funding for non-profit co-ops to help take up some of the poorest folks. This will all be payed for by a tax on those of us that have great benefit packages (that includes the unions too).
I think there will also be a trigger added somewhere along the line so that if this doesnt' work medicare covereage will be extended to those who want to buy into the system if the co-op system doesnt' work.

The democrats in the senate will force Nancy Pelosi to admit that the public funded co-ops are a public option and the trigger will be enough of a carrot that most democrats will take it.

That isn't what I would prefer but that is what the tea leaves seem to be saying to me.

Posted by: AndyR3 | August 24, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

CC:
Good luck with the move and the book proposal. Hope you're able to find some relaxation time in there as well.

mark_in_austin:
As a point of reference, the FEHB BC/BS plan I had while working in the government was not substantively different than the BC/BS (Highmark) plan I have now (costs, coverage, etc. are pretty much the same), though there were more and better docs down in DC.

Posted by: mnteng | August 24, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Have a great vacation, CC. Finish the book! Whichever works for you... .

AndyR3, I will throw a horseshoe.

During BHO's campaign and until recently,
the "public option" meant margaretmeyers' federal employment benefit extended as a choice to many Americans. Margaret and BB have described their plan as an employer managed system sold through private insurers who bid for the right to sell to fed employees. They can choose from everything from United Health to Kaiser.

In the HB, however, the "public option" is an extension of Medicare [Sec. 221 of the bill for those inclined to read it].

To some liberals Sec. 221 is a litmus test of BHO's commitment to their cause[s]. To some moderates and conservatives, Sec. 221 threatens to create a fourth entitlement that is underfunded and bound to create unbearable costs.

To some of every stripe, Sec. 221 would make sense if and only if medical costs [not insurance costs] were contained and Medicare/Medicaid was on a sound footing.

To some who see the ease of delivery of Medicare, extension of it makes sense regardless of its cost.

Who is right? Who wins? What happened to simply extending the Fed employee package, supported and served by private carriers?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 24, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Enjoy the break. The Blade goes dark for a couple of weeks.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 24, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Correction and amplification:

In "scrivener" post, below, the phrase was typed as "the rule of law" and came out garbled.

No, the author is not dyslexic. Maybe THIS explains it:

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor


Posted by: scrivener50 | August 24, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Enjoy your time off.

If nothing else, this will help my productivity.

Posted by: Blarg | August 24, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

TO 'THE FIX':

You deserve a break today!

But what happened to Ed O'Keefe? No "guest hosting?"

But I'm sure king_of_zouk and his merry band of (paid?) trolls will keep your seat warm here.

***


LATEST CIA TORTURE MEMO RELEASE:

ANOTHER WHITEWASH TO COVER UP MICROWAVE / LASER RADIATION WEAPONS TORTURE -- AT GITMO, IN IRAQ, AND AT HOME?

• When will Presaident Obama wake up and smell the police state that threatens democracy, makes a mockery of the law of rule -- and subverts his agenda?


Today's the day the Justice Department is supposed to release more redacted CIA torture memos.

So far, the big "revelation" is that a power drill was held to a prisoner's head.

Now quite as dramatic as the likely truth:

That microwave and laser radiation "directed energy weapons" have been used to -- in the words of a recent Senate Armed Services Commmitee report -- "induce" weakness, fatigue, exhaustion, mood changes and confusion...

The same sort of ELECTROMAGNETIC TORTURE widely reported by victims of a what is reputed to be a "multi-agency coordinated action program" of DOMESTIC extrajudicial targeting and punishment aimed at U.S. citizens deemed to be "dissidents" and "undesirables."

Is THIS what today's torture memo redactions are trying to whitewash?


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 24, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Very much miss seeing little Charlie in that morning new forecast you used to do.
Doesn't sound like much of a vacation. Good thing you are young and have lots of energy.
Have a good one.

Posted by: footee | August 24, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Have a nice vacation CC, and good luck with the move.

I propose that we the readers put forward some ideas for discussion. Any interesting politics out there in America (or abroad??) that we junkies need to know about?

Posted by: AndyR3 | August 24, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

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