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Earlier today, we took questions from the masses in our weekly "Live Fix" online chat. The topics ranged from final handicapping in the New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial contests, a discussion of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) and, per usual, some musings on Bob Dylan.

The full transcript of the chat is here. And, if you don't already follow the "Live Fix", you really should. Every Friday from 11 a.m. to 12 p.m.

Here are our two favorite questions (and answers) from this week's chat:

Somerset, UK: Is the latest on VA (viz. Anne Kornblut)--that Deeds is not just uncharismatic, but not willing to take 'good' advice--face-saving spin, or is it true?

Chris Cillizza: I think the general sense is that Deeds is not (and has never been) a particularly good candidate and that his general election campaign also hasn't been terribly strong.

I have written on many occasions that I think Deeds lost this race in mid-September when his campaign was slammed Bob McDonnell over this thesis.

Deeds needed to use the momentum gained from the thesis, which clearly damaged McDonnell, and start making the positive case for why voters should choose him.

He never did that. Instead, he stayed focused exclusively on McDonnell and the thesis. Once that issue ran its course, Deeds was left with nothing.

San Francisco: Good morning, Chris. Thanks for chatting today. Will Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann suffer with the institutional GOP for their endorsement of the non-GOP candidate in NY-23?

Chris Cillizza: I doubt it.

Palin, as I wrote this morning in the aptly titled "Morning Fix", is far more loyal to her conservative principles than her party.

And, because of her fundraising ability and the sheer attention she creates, she is still of value to certain Republicans who need to rally the base of the party behind her candidacy.

Palin is, oddly, something of an a-political figure. She is much more closely aligned with the ideas that animated the tea parties and town hall protests than she is with the approach to governance taken by party leaders in Washington.

Did someone say third party bid for president?

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 23, 2009; 3:30 PM ET
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Hoffman has no chance to win after a scathing editorial in one of the district's largest circulation newspapers---the Watertown Daily Times----revealed that Hoffman is totally lacking in knowledge of local issues and concerns which are impacted by national governmental policy. According to the editorial, Hoffman was embarrassingly uninformed about issues revolving around the St.Lawrence Seaway---an absolutely critical issue to the district---and federal assistance for a proposed highway between Watertown and Plattsburgh---the district's two largest towns and again an issue about which the District's voters are likely to be concerned, in a recent meeting with the paper's Editorial Board.

It is beginning to sound as though Hoffman is unsuited as a Representative, ill-informed and uninformed on the issues which are of greatest concern to his potential constituents and neighbors. While Hoffman may be a resident of the District, it almost sounds as though he is an outsider.

Do not forget: All politics is local.

As much as the Conservative Party of New York may like to make this race into a contest for the "soul" of the Republican Party in New York State and nationally, and as much as Hoffman and his Washington supporters like far-right organizer Dick Armey may like to make this race about national issues, local issues often matter most in individual House District elections.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 25, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmmmm. Mmmmmmm. Mmmmm

Posted by: snowbama | October 25, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

GOV'T TORTURES ME WITH SILENT MICROWAVE RADIATION WEAPONS, Says Ousted Honduras Prez ***

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 25, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The NYT's Frank Rich today on BHO calling out Faux News as, well, faux news:

"As "balloon boy" played out, the White House opened fire on one purveyor of fictional news, Fox News, where "tea party" protests are inflated into a national rebellion rivaling the Civil War and where Glenn Beck routinely claims Obama is perpetrating a conspiracy to bring fascism to America. But the White House’s argument is diluted by the different, if less malevolently partisan, fictions that turn up on Fox’s competitors. On CNN, for instance, Lou Dobbs provided a platform for the nuts questioning Obama’s citizenship. When an ABC News correspondent insisted that Fox was "one of our sister organizations" in an exchange with the president’s press secretary, Robert Gibbs, last week, he wasn’t joking."
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Let's hope the MSM will finally stop chasing Fox News's weekly fake controversies (Van Jones, ACORN, BHO talking to kiddies, why BHO winning the Nobel Peace Prize is a bad thing (pure Bizarro World stuff), etc.), and start reporting real news like the fact that 80% of Americans support the public option and that only 20% of Americans (mainly the birthers, tenthers, deathers, Clown Hall thugs, supremacists, secessionists, and sociopathic domestic terrorists) self-identify as GOPers.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

More on Deeds (who had earlier distanced himself from BHO for reasons unknown)trying to get Obama-mentum.

"...the president will be making a second campaign stop in Virginia for Deeds next Tuesday. The Virginian-Pilot reports that the rally will likely be held at Old Dominion University in Norfolk.

The location for the Obama rally in the Tidewater area is notable: Deeds' campaign hasn't captured much excitement among African-Americans -- a crucial part of the Democratic base -- and the region has one of the largest concentration of black voters in the state."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1009/Deeds_looking_for_Obamamentum.html#
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Note to snowmelt: I don't know any "Barry" other than Manilow, Sanders, or Mayor. Our 44th President's name is Barack H. Obama.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@Jake: Another BHO long form birth certificate sighting, this time in East LA. The confidential source identified himself as "I.M. Snipe."

Buena suerte.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

@d: Mac has also aired superb ads, placed yard signs all over the place, has been articulate in debates, avoided mention of his odd stances as expressed in his Thesis, avoided resort to the "old South" themes and codewords that this space pushes (Virginia returning to its "conservative roots" I believe was this space's mis-analysis), has had FAVORABLE things to say about President Obama (unlike Deeds) and makes clear he's not against him, and, in a probable knockout blow...got Mrs. Sheila Johnson, co-founder of Black Entertainment Television and life-long Democrat, to do a very effective, Hollywood-quality ad on his behalf.

Deeds acts like he is campaigning for reelection to his State Senate seat representing a small, monochromatic, rural ultra-conservative part of Virginia. he can't win without the black vote and the loss of Gov. Wilder and Johnson suggest he's not going to get it. Delegate Brian Moran would have had this wrapped up in his sleep by now, but MacAuliffe's vanity candidacy split Brian's Northern Virginia base in the Dem primary, paving the way for Deeds.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 25, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

put daylight between hmself and Sarah Palin

Oh no!
I knew they would figure that out, but I thought it would take at least another year. Maybe Republicans candidates just aren't as stupid as I'd hoped.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 25, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

As a placemark for you, CC, here's why McDonnell has done well in VA -- because he moved away from the lunatic fringe right and toward the center:

"Equally evident is what McDonnell has avoided: rhetoric that ignites the conservative base but could turn off independent voters. He has been careful to intermingle praise for President Obama's education policies with criticism of his spending and health-care initiatives. He pronounced himself "delighted" that Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, separating himself from those in his party who were ridiculing the president. And after personally asking former Alaska governor Sarah Palin for help early in the summer, he changed his mind in August and asked the controversial conservative to stay away."

Smartest move: put daylight between hmself and Sarah Palin.

Posted by: drindl | October 25, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

jeezus, this poor madman yellowsnow, has nothing -- no friends, no family, nothing.

on this board the whole weekend -- no-life loser.

Posted by: drindl | October 25, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The dregs of liberalism discuss last years repub primary. How topical. No successes from obimbo to analyze?

Posted by: snowbama | October 25, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Twin bombings in Iraq. Backsliding.

I guess I am not the only one that recognizes American weakness when they see it.

Tingly leg- dan rather? Seriously??

Andrew is the conservative. Can you be that clueless

Posted by: snowbama | October 25, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

(Re-posting the comment below because it apparently was "garbled in transmission" after an unusually long delay from the time I hit the "submit" button:)

RE: SWINE FLU NATIONAL EMERGENCY

I attempted to post this comment to Alex Jones' "Infowars.com" web site early this morning. I received an on-screen message that the comment was being "held for moderation" -- while many other comments were posted instantaneously, according to their time stamps.

I believe the very federal multi-agency program that I reference in the comment below is misusing warrantless surveillance programs to harass, and to CENSOR and exercise prior restraint on the telecommunications of American citizens.

Is Team Obama naive, misinformed, or complicit? I still don't know. But I do know that our Constitution apparently continues to be shredded by agents of government.

***

Why are liberals so gullible?

Obama is handing the noose to the executioners of liberty and his own administration.

Is he -- and other Obama officials -- under the Pavlovian influence of silent, neurologically damaging, illness and injury-inducing microwave/laser radiation directed energy weapons -- which a federal "multi-agency coordinated action program" has deployed against "targeted" Americans -- in one iteration, reportedly disguised as cell towers?

Read this and call your congressperson:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 25, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

RE: SWINE FLU NATIONAL EMERGENCY

I attempted to post this comment to Alex Jones' "Infowars.com" web site early this morning. I received an on-screen message that the comment was being "held for moderation" -- while many other comments were posted instantaneously, according to misused to harass, censor and exercise prior restraint of speech upon American citizens.

Is Team Obama naive, misinformed, or complicit? I still don't know. But I do know that our Constitution apparently continues to be shredded by agents of government.

***

Why are liberals so gullible?

Obama is handing the noose to the executioners of liberty and his own administration.

Is he -- and other Obama officials -- under the Pavlovian influence of silent, neurologically damaging, illness and injury-inducing microwave/laser radiation directed energy weapons -- which a federal "multi-agency coordinated action program" has deployed against "targeted" Americans -- in one iteration, reportedly disguised as cell towers?

Read this and call your congressperson:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 25, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 25, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Wow, has he been doing this all day? Pretty sad, especially given how wrong he is about everything.

and I thought I was the loser here.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 24, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Nobody's listening, snowball.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 24, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

because they are willfully ignorant; discussion with them no better than discussion with an illiterate baboon. Or a global warming-troubled polar bear. I recommend this as ‘acid test’ for the liberal Obama defenders you encounter.


four legs good

two legs bad

-love drivl, LOUD and DUMB and CF8 (aka CsuxC)

so, moonbats did you actually ever read Mein Kampf or is it just a paperweight on your desk?

funny, this is what the most insane poster ever on the fix accuses (projects) Palin readers of doing, even though her book is not even released.

that and six other chants fill out the "thought" of the communist left. Plus attacking others and urging to ignore dissent, lest you actually learn something and emerge from your stupor.

chant with me:

global warming, ahem, climate change
corporate greed
medical rights
corruption, yours not ours
spend and tax, you not us
do you know who I am????
ignore them, they don't agree, it's settled
someday, I may begin to decide to decide
racist!

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

LOUD and DUMB subscribes to the 'boycott the intelligence' meme, offering nothing of value in return. Pay no attention to the reason and sense, instead chant with me - hope, change.........

I say he is ready for a position as some sort of czar.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

You're either with us or against us. sound familiar??

""As R. Bruce Josten, executive vice president of the chamber, said, "When you're on their side, it's all OK, but if you're not, they rain hell down on you."

So when the chamber dared oppose his cap-and-trade boondoggle and his socialized medicine scheme, Obama dispatched his surrogates to do an end run around the chamber to meet with corporate executives directly in an effort to undermine the chamber's clout. Even The Washington Post reported that "the White House is moving aggressively to remove the (chamber) from its traditional role as the chief representative for big business."

Then, with its trademarked audacity, the White House played the victim, blaming the chamber for forcing the administration to deal with the corporate executives.

This should convince you Obama is directly behind these vicious tactics. Indeed, this has always been his MO. When he was a senator, he refused to meet with representatives of the National Black Chamber of Commerce while fraudulently claiming to the public that he was.

This deceitful behavior prompted the group's president, Harry Alford, to pen an op-ed titled "Did Barack Obama Lie?" Alford wrote: "Senator, you don't have to meet with us. But don't say you do, when you don't. We don't need the lies or the jive."

According to Alford, Obama refused to meet with all black chambers of commerce.

I wonder how aware Obama and his handlers are that the only thing keeping his dangerous and unpopular policy agenda alive is the enormous disconnect between the public's perception of him personally and the nature of his proposals. If Obama keeps showing his true colors -- an unwillingness to brook any dissent and a nastiness toward any who won't submit -- the breaking of the trance will be complete, and voters will throw his congressional supporting cast out on their ears in 2010.


indeed, this says it all:

enormous disconnect between the public's perception of him personally and the nature of his proposals

the truth has a funny way of getting out. Even Dems are jumping off the train heading out of town toward political unemployment.

Barry is a lame duck in his first year. a single accomplishment to add to his slim portfolio.


We don't need the lies or the jive.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Even on a Saturday, half the posts on this board are from yellowsnow. Pathetic doesn't come close to describing this nut.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 24, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Liberals, always fact free. Onniscient nevertheless:

I often ask Obama supporters if they have bothered to read the two books he authored, in which much of his socialist intentions and anti-American sentiments are made very clear in his own words. I have yet to find one who read Obama’s own books! When they confess this, I tell them they have zero right to any opinion about him, and that I refuse to discuss his politics with them – because they are willfully ignorant; discussion with them no better than discussion with an illiterate baboon. Or a global warming-troubled polar bear. I recommend this as ‘acid test’ for the liberal Obama defenders you encounter.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION TEAM OBAMA:

DO YOU REMOVE THE BATTERY FROM YOUR BLACKBERRY BEFORE ENGAGING IN PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS OR CONVERSATION?

If you do not, your device can be remotely activated and used as a "bug." PS -- Have that picnic table independently swept, too.

FOR MORE URGENT 4-1-1:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR (if link is bugged): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 24, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

drivl consults the looking glass again and delivers her assessment.

isn't it past time to start sweeping peanuts dear? snap too.

Or maybe check on your blog traffic. there could have been a visitor. I am saying it is possible.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

just sad... a wasted life.

Posted by: drindl | October 24, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

a pack of lies or just empty promises?

President Obama promised not to raise taxes on people earning less than $200,000 per year and vowed not to increase the national debt ''by one nickel.' He promised that his nearly-trillion-dollar stimulus plan would keep the unemployment rate below 8%. (Last month, our unemployment rate was 9.8%, the highest it's been in 26 years.) In January 2008, then-candidate Obama promised not to negotiate behind closed doors with health care lobbyists.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

if the record setting drop in the polls were not enough to convince you, and the pending loss in Va wasn't enough, take a look at the fundraising efforts of the worst present ident in history:

Last night in Boston, President Obama faced a half-empty hotel ballroom at a fundraiser for his pal, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, who is unpopular and facing a difficult re-election campaign.

Boston Globe helpfully plays down and buries five long graphs down but can't quite ignore Obama's low draw:


Sweeping into town for the fund-raiser and to deliver a speech on clean energy at MIT, Obama said Patrick deserves credit for implementing near-universal health care, investing in education, and making the alternative energy and biotech industries a priority. If voters fail to recognize this hard work in next year's state election, the president said, it will not bode well for the United States.


I'm sorry. It's about lowering expectations and claiming dire consequences for the very nation itself if the agenda doesn't get pushed. Maybe what he means is, 2010 losses won't bode well for US ... as in "we" ... in 2012. Because, he suggests, it will effectively render him a lame duck.


Otherwise, Obama said, other political leaders will say "then maybe I shouldn't, as a member of Congress or as a senator, take some chances and take some tough stands in pursuit of that same vision.''


Damn, for an early first-term mandate holder, he's not sounding very confident. But facing addressing all those empty chairs in blue Mass must have been disheartening.


no one is jumping on the express train out of town, with Obimbo in the drivers seat. If there is a single job that Dems in congress will actually save, it is their own. cutting off from Obaminable, is essential to survival next year.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

when the lunatic drivl is confronted, it usually takes the ignore approach rather than the refute one. all the babbling and frothing never really gets it anywhere. a rational argument is simply beyond its keen. Hence the main staple of this creatures diet is simply to put others down without offering much else.

If an analysis of CF8 and drivl were done, you would discover that 90% of the posts are shallow, petty quips and snipes with no actual content. I dare you to find an intelligent, original post. you will need as much free time as the moonbats you are confronting.

Is it ironic that they spend all thier time telling us to ignore everyone else? I suppose this is what happens in their own real lives. Ignored for the obvious hate and envy seething from their beings.

Much like Obimbo, never offering any decisions or way forward, preferring to go to war with Fox, doctors, and any number of enemies, other than our actual enemies. Is this cowardice, naivete or simply distraction from an obominable record of accomplishment?

It will not matter soon. the Dems are running for the doors. they hope to be around in three years and understand that Barry is already got one foot out the door.

the spin is that Deeds lost because he didn't embrace enough Obama. the fact is he got too much. but maybe another long boring speech or even a crisis will help. another in the long line of endless mumbo jumbo with still no results. Dem leadership on display.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

You're right, d. But I'm concerned a newcomer to the Post/this space might think snow's meltings are reflective of normal progressive thinking on BHO, etc. However, point well taken. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

More denunciation of the unhinged Glenn Beck, from the uber-right American Spectator:

'Bill O'Reilly is more of a populist than a serious conservative, but I don't read many conservative denunciations of him. Glenn Beck might get the boot because he occasionally says things like this: John McCain would have been worse than Barack Obama.
Hard to say, obviously, since McCain didn't become president.

On the plus side, a President McCain would have probably spent a little less on the stimulus (though there would still have been one) and pushed for some of the earmarks to be taken out, would have retained the Mexico City policy, and would have appointed a Supreme Court justice to the right of Sonia Sotomayor. On the negative side, we might be at war in three countries simultaneously, cap and trade would have been more likely to pass, and there'd be more action on the amnesty front than the occasional speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute.

Posted by: drindl | October 24, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe, why bother with this guy who has no life? the creepy guy is obssessed with me, can't stop talking about me, and it really makes me nauseous. you'd think the wapo would have the sense to remove stalkers and lunatics from their blogs.

Posted by: drindl | October 24, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree with CC's analysis of the Deeds race: bad campaigner against a good one. The road for a Dem to the Va. governor's house is a well-traveled one (see Govs. Wilder, Warner, and Kaine) and the base you need to vote is pretty obvious.

How Deeds hopes to win (which he still may) after alienating the most important black politician (Wilder) and the most important black businessperson (Mrs. Johnson) in the state is beyond me.

However, for the record, this space had been pushing a MUCH different, Deeds-race-as-BHO-referendum narrative, a central GOP/RNC talking point. But to CC's credit--I guess--he turned...180 degrees.

The earlier Fix analysis:

"Take a little longer look at VA political history for the answer there.

In 1992, Bill Clinton got elected president and the next year Virginians elected George Allen (R) governor. Clinton was reelected in 1996 and in 1997 Virginians went with Jim Gilmore (R).

In 2000, George W. Bush won the presidency only to be followed by a Mark Warner (D) victory in Virginia the next year. Ditto for Bush's 2004 re-election and Tim Kaine's (D) victory in 2005.

Virginia is till very much a conservative-minded swing state and looks ready to return to those roots this fall."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/10/09/DI2009100902785.html

Returning to its roots? What's that about? Echoes of Dixie maybe? -- "Oh, I wish in the land of ...."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"[foolish personal attack omitted]

I see dead people.

everywhere.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 1:34 PM"
_______

This is the considered opinion of seasoned journalists who, unlike the MSM, actually went to Alaska and interviewed real live people. Actually, given the information appears to be fully sourced, it may be closer to objective fact.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

you see racism.

I see dead people.

everywhere.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

...and here's Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s reaction in HuffPo to Phalin's decision to quote Westbrook Pegler, the late avowed racist and antisemite, in her VP acceptance speech last year:

"Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies."

Let's get real, you do not accidentally quote from Westbrook Pegler. Quoting him is the clearest of dog whistles to the organized hate community.
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Yeah, I know. I forgot myself. In this space, it's always: Palin (or Pawlenty) in 2012. Check.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I honestly do not understand the unhinged fear and loathing of palin. If she is so utterly silly ignore her and she will go away.

Unless she's not.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I have little interest in gotcha stories of unelected authors trying to sell books. I found the stories on palin hysterical and unreliable. I do not Trust the left stream media to report truthfully. I am not alone. Retching madcow and krazy Keith are fine examples of not news but rather opinion. Do not confuse beck or hannity or tingly leg or madcow or olbermanm with Brit Hume or chris Wallace.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

snow, in all fairness, at least one person who knows her believes Palin cannot help herself--internationally known musician Gregory Charles Royal. Mr. Royal says:

“The racism I believe she possesses is not necessarily from a misguided hatred but from a boastful ignorance that clearly celebrates the need not to know or the desire to know.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/washington10082008.html

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

More Alaska-based reporting on Phalin, this time from Judy Swindler:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Wasilla-Residents-Witness-by-Judy-Swindler-080906-870.html

Is Miss Swindler a Pravda-ite, too?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Yet crickets on the ayers thing. Convenient.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

snowmelt, this wasn't some Kevin Bacon seven degrees of separation in Phalin's case. IMO, there was virtually no separation. And how do you explain LA Progressive journalist Charley James's fully sourced reporting on Phalin?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Wretching madcow was so completely over her head
on mtp. Would krazy Keith ever be invited on. How bout beck?

I also think our host cc was way over his head on fox news alongside dr k. He worked in catholic u field hockey somehow.

See what I mean. A time and place.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

@snowmelt: It seems "Jake" is no longer with us (maybe on leave to pursue his snipe hunt for BHO's long form birth certificate?).

Earlier this year, another Hall of Fame troll, "37thandO" was shamed into oblivion by that great American, "malis" -- IMO, the greatest post here since dog's famous "Hillarians in Exile" post.
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"Update: A Study on Motivation and Societal Impact of the Extremist-Obsessive Blog Poster
Subject: “37th” (shortname for subject using approximately 20 different variations of a userID containing the root phrase “37thandO”)

Subject’s postings (through Jan 2, 4:56pET) to the string “Best House Campaigns of 2008” were previously collected and classified in four defined categories. This entry appends subject’s additional posting.

As of Jan 3 10:17aET, 37th owned 14 (+3) of 64 (+6) total entries, raising the subject’s percentage of total postings to this string from 19% to 22%.

Number and percentage of on-topic postings: 0 and 0%

1) Simplistic insult of individuals and groups: 22 (+2)
2) Paranoiac accusations: 6 (+1)
3) Rote repetition of fantasy scenarios 19 (+4)
4) Projection (accusing others of behavior exhibited by the subject) 9 (+2)

Subject has initiated posting to two additional strings. Data currently being collected and analyzed. When sufficient data has been collected results will be posted to those strings.

Posted by: malis | January 3, 2009 2:30 PM"


Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I understand that wretching madcow, desperate for eyeballs, tries to find some sinister relation. I bet Kevin bacon is in there somewhere. If you are really worried about this, you should be highly excited about all of obummers close loony connections. Ayers wrote his book. A guy who actually tried to blow things up.

I prefer to stick with stated positions, not shadowy connections. Plenty there to analyze. Seems weak and paranoid.

When beck or hannity does it- evil. When madcow does it - pertinent?

This is what is loony about libs.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

showmelt, how do you explain/justify Phalin's peculiar alleged connections with the white supremacist community. Just multiculturalist propoganda from Pravda, I guess?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

@d:

Here was Dr. Rachel Maddow's take awhile back on Phalin's odd choice to ghost-, er, co-write her book, "Going Rogue":

"MSNBC host Rachel Maddow thinks that for GOP to recharge, it needs to do some self-reflecting, and a good place to start is with former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin—“the biggest brand name in Republican politics.” On Meet the Press, Maddow points out that Palin’s new book, Going Rogue, was coauthored by Lynn Vincent, who previously co-authored a book called Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party with Robert Stacy McCain, whom she—and some others— consider to be a white supremacist. According to Maddow, this is not guilt by association, but guilt by choice, and not a smart move for either Palin or her party."

Full story:

http://greatscat.com/2009/10/rachel-maddow-on-meet-press-roundtable.html

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The result of letting liberals and the press help
pick the repub candidate is failure to win. Let them run their own pre determined failure.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

In drivl's simplistic world you are either always wrong or always right. No sometimes, no degrees, no nuance. It must be so to fit into her bumper sticker sized brain.

On very rare occasions she loves to pluck some squishy republican from the fray as an example of someone who has seen the light.

She used to rail against deficits. Against corruption. Against funny accounting. Against naked power. No longer.

Posted by: snowbama | October 24, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

@d: thanks for the knowledge.

Phalin's "alleged" connections with white supremacists and secessionists is something, i.e., the organized hate community, is something the MSM, per usual, has decided not to report on. They would prefer to report on fake Fox News controversies like BHO speaking to school kids about readin' and writin'. Your posts totally validates Charley ("S@mbo-gate") James's early ground-breaking reporting on Phalin, er, "views" on her fellow human beings.

James's articles:
http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/17/is-sarah-palin-a-racist-well-she-ended-our-conversation-when-she-learned-i-was-black/

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 24, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

more circular firing squad, for your entertainment:

"In an interview with Katie Couric for her new web-only show, Fox News pundit Glenn Beck said he thinks John McCain would have been a bad president because he’s “this weird progressive like Theodore Roosevelt was.” Beck added that McCain would be worse than Obama:

I think John McCain would have been worse — [laughs] How about this? I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama. How’s that?

Beck’s opinion elicited a fierce and angry response from right-wing radio host Mark Levin yesterday. “To say [McCain] would be worse is mindless, mindless, incoherent as a matter of fact,” Levin said on his radio show. He then suggested Beck is playing politics: “I don’t know who people are playing to. I don’t know why they’re playing to certain people.”

Levin never mentions Beck by name (he refers to Beck as “the 5 pm’er” because Beck’s show airs at 5 pm on Fox News). He concluded with this final dig at Beck:

I think there’s enormous confusion and positioning and pandering. It may be entertaining, but from my perspective, it’s not. It’s pathetic.

Beck is causing consternation for many right wingers these days. Peter Wehner, a former political adviser to President Bush, recently wrote that Beck is “harmful to the conservative movement” because he’s “erratic,” “bizarre,” and is too interested in “conspiracy theories.” And Rush Limbaugh recently suggested to Politico that Beck’s role in promoting the 9/12 protest was “cheap and disingenuous.”

UPDATE Raw Story notes that, this morning, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough expressed disdain for Fox News’ Glenn Beck. “You cannot preach hatred. You cannot say the president is racist. You cannot say things that have very deadly consequences. I was in Congress in 1995. I know where this can end,” said Scarborough."'

Posted by: drindl | October 24, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Glen beck
brilliant today"

Sometimes the stupid just burns. Even the winger radio con Michael Savage calls Beck a dim-witted con artist:

SAVAGE: I’m not impressed by him. I’ve seen the act before. I’m not for him or against him, he does a reasonably good job copying people who are brighter than him who have done their work before him and taking as many ideas from as many people as he can without giving anyone credit. I get that. There’s nothing new about that either. "

Posted by: drindl | October 24, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

playground? so that's where you've been spending your time, yellowsnow. none of us are surprised.

Posted by: drindl | October 24, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Glen beck
brilliant today

all you have to do is play two succesive weeks of Obummer talking from both sides. No comment needed.

No decisions yet. But the enemies list grows. Poor deeds. How dare he illuminate the total failure of the present ident. Under the bus with the rest of em. Getting crowded down there. Make room for greg Craig. Someone has to pay for embarrassing naive
promises made and broken. Mcchrystal, you're next.

Posted by: snowbama | October 23, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

The Moose Militia

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 23, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

All moonbats. All the time. Another lonely weekend trolling playgrounds.

Posted by: snowbama | October 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Palin is, oddly, something of an a-political figure. She is much more closely aligned with the ideas that animated the tea parties and town hall protests

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Which is to say "bare-teethed rage" and "paranoid fury"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 23, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

No I didn't know who the with-writer was but I certainly didn't expect it to be someone sane and centered.

Not at all surprising that these creeps would see bigotry as perfectly natural. They all think their hatreds are perfectly normal and people who claim not to share them are simply not being candid, are being "PC," which of course is a crock.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 23, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

GAT-- you know who actually wrote Palin's book?

'As Charles Johnson—whose ongoing reformation from Muslim-hating wacko to right-wing apostate continues to puzzle and delight us—points out, Palin's ghostwriter's previous work includes Donkey Cons, a thoughtful investigative look at the Democratic Party's criminality that blows the lid off that "killer and traitor Aaron Burr." Vincent's co-writer on Donkey Cons was Robert Stacy McCain, a former Washington Times editor who writes things like this:

'[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion. The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us.'

Posted by: drindl | October 23, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

You say you plan to read Palin's book, I would wonder why. It's not often in this life you get such reliable information about how not to waste one's time, and reading a with-book by an idiot cannot possibly be a good use of one's time.

The fact that the book has a high sales rank on Amazon means the same as it does for Beck books and Hannity books .. the angry defiance of social conservatives. It cannot possibly signify intellectual engagement, as you know nobody is going to actually read that crap, unless you're serious. It wasn't written to be read, it was written to be bought. The pages may as well be blank.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 23, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Another week, another Raj Goyle reference. The Fix can deny it all he wants, but I think they are BFF or at least they would be given some time.

Posted by: Corey_NY | October 23, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I was pretty surprised to see that Chris C has her has the number one leader of her party. To me, she is more akin with Britney Spears or Lindsey Lohan. Yeah, people pay attention to her, but not for leadership. It's to see what crazy antics she will pull next. I do think she has a group of voters who will be drawn to her and the challenge will be for someone to use that electoral power for his own gain. I doubt Palin will remain the ultimate seat of power, though. It's more plausible that someone will be able to utilize her as a running mate more effectively than McCain could.

I think someone like Haley Barbour would probably be a better list topper. I don't see him successfully gaining the Republican nomination in 2012, but I do think he could position himself as a kingmaker of sorts. He is more respected by the party as a whole and can distance himself from the sins of the federal legislators under the Bush administration.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 23, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin, as I wrote this morning in the aptly titled "Morning Fix", is far more loyal to her conservative principles than her party.

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Not how it looks to me. Principles are abstractions and I don't see Palin dealing with abstractions in any way. She is a creature of division and uses wedge issues to stir people up. I might consider her principled were there even the smallest evidence that she has ever had an original thought, and there isn't any. All her ideas are recitations and regurgitations and not her own. Her views on any topic are perfectly predictable. She is as principled as a wallpaper pattern is distinctive.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 23, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Deeds needed to use the momentum gained from the thesis, which clearly damaged McDonnell, and start making the positive case for why voters should choose him. He never did that."

This is incisive analysis, just right CC.

"Palin is, oddly, something of an a-political figure...Did someone say third party bid for president?"

No. She is just odd and a-political. A third party bid would require her to be ultra-political; she'd have to create and run a machine that does not exist. Facebook does not count.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 23, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

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