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We just concluded an hour of question and answer with the Fix community. The transcript is below.

Missed out? Never fear. The Live Fix chat happens every Friday between 11 a.m. and noon. It's destination viewing. Like "Friends" in the 1990s. Or "Arrested Development" before it was taken off the air by some strange twist of fate.


Chris Cillizza: Good morning everyone!

The Fix family has successfully moved into Falls Church. A new coffee spot -- a Starbucks on Broad Street -- has been secured as the new unofficial sponsor of the Fix Live chat. A pumpkin spice latte -- they're back! -- has been bought.

It's chat time.


Arlington, Va.: Do you think that Obama will have a primary opponent in 2012?

Chris Cillizza: Hello my Arlington neighbor.

The short answer is no. The long answer is also no.

I know there is some unrest on the left towards President Obama but I can see no scenario where liberals grow so disenchanted with the president that a legitimate primary challenge emerges in three years time.

Remember back to 2000 when liberals were not satisfied with Al Gore and helped urge Bill Bradley to run. Gore, who was the sitting vice president, crushed Bradley thanks to the strength of the establishment which was firmly behind him.

The establishment -- and, still, much of the left -- is with Obama. It's inconceivable to me that they would abandon him.


Anonymous: Whatever happened to the Line? I feel like it hasn't been around in weeks!

Chris Cillizza: The Line, like the Fix, has been on hiatus since mid-August.

I had to get the family moved and get a few other things taken care of -- making the Fix even better etc. -- and I needed a few weeks off to recharge the proverbial batteries.

Everything will go back to normal on Tuesday! And, look for the new Line next Friday. It's only one more week and you've already made it this far.


Anonymous: Putting Curt Schilling aside, who else do you think jumps into the race to replace Kennedy? Has there been any word on Joe Kennedy's plans?

Chris Cillizza: The Schilling thing is SO far-fetched. He has shown repeatedly that he LOVES publicity and this is just the sort of thing that is tailor-made for him. My favorite part of the Schilling story? When reporters found out he was a registered independent, meaning that he couldn't run as a Republican. Good research, Curt!

Back here on earth, Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley got into the race formally yesterday -- signaling that she isn't planning to bow to the Kennedy legacy.

Still, the big domino yet to fall is former Rep. Joe Kennedy II, the nephew of the late Sen. Kennedy. While Joe Kennedy has his problems (Venezuelan oil, controversial divorce), he would still likely keep several other candidates out.

My guess is that if Kennedy runs, Coakley stays in and Rep. Steve Lynch from Southie probably still gets in.

But, with Kennedy in the race, Reps. Ed Markey, John Tierney and Michael Capuano probably sit it out.

Without Kennedy, this race is an absolute free for all.

And, remember, we are dealing with a VERY abbreviated election schedule with the Democratic primary set for Dec. 8.

Tacoma, Wash.: I don't know about the "establishment", but no real health-care reform including a public option and I'll be sitting on my hands come 2012, so it better happen before then. Without it, he's a complete failure.

Chris Cillizza: Ok. A different perspective. It's clear that the left is not at all happy with the way the Obama Administration has gone about trying to pass health care reform and the possibility that the public option will be jettisoned to pass the bill through the Senate.

How deep that unhappiness goes and how long liberals harbor it will make a difference to Congressional Democrats in 2010 and to President Obama in 2012.


Fairfax County, Va.: Great to have you back! Do you feel tanned, rested, and ready? Or is caffeine still the answer?

Chris Cillizza: Fairfax County! These are my people.

I am not:

1. Tan (I spent most of my break packing boxes)

2. Rested (I have a six month old)

I am ready, however. And, yes, I love fancy coffee drinks that cost $4 plus. At least I admit it.


Los Angeles: Pumpkin Spice Latte FTW! Did former Ebay CEO Meg Whitman just lose her Republican primary campaign with her gushing praise of Van Jones?

Chris Cillizza: Several questions about Meg Whitman's praise for embattled Obama official Van Jones...

It certainly doesn't help Whitman to be on You Tube praising Jones no matter the context.

But, in a state as big -- and political disinterested -- as California, I am not convinced this is Whitman's "macaca" moment.

California voters have only a passing interest in politics EVER and most are certainly not paying much attention to the three way Republican governor's primary right now.

There's no question that state Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner and former Rep. Tom Campbell (Whitman's primary opponents) will bring up Whitman's comments about Jones in TV ads next year.

But will it still have the salience? My guess, and it is a guess, is no.


Falls Church, Va.: Your colleague Ezra Klein has been recommending primary challenges against congressional Democrats who oppose a public option in health-care reform. If Obama ultimately goes with a no-public-option plan himself, why wouldn't the left expand the primary challenges to include him?

Chris Cillizza: The "Falls Church" tagline is too alluring for me to resist.

It's not that I don't think that primary challenges could succeed against Democrats who oppose the public option. (They could.)

It's that at the presidential level, the lift to run a serious primary challenge is incredibly high -- from an organizational and financial perspective -- that it's nearly impossible to run a series primary challenge to an incumbent president.

Don't believe my Gore-Bradley example? How about Kennedy-Carter in 1980?


re: Boxes: Two weeks packing them; two years unpacking them. Enjoy!

Chris Cillizza: Tentative unpacking deadline set by Mrs. Fix is Christmas time.

I am skeptical.


Kennedy race: What about Teddy Jr.? I don't mean to sound crass, but that effective, thoughtful eulogy was a stunning way for all of us to meet him for the first time as an adult. The last I saw of him was when he was about 14. He's turned out well.

Chris Cillizza: In politics, it's almost impossible to sound crass.

I have definitely heard the idea of Teddy Jr. and I continue to hear a smattering of chatter that Vicki Kennedy, the widow of the Senator, is actually open to running.

Neither of those whispers make that much sense to me, however. If either Teddy Jr. or Vicki wanted the seat, they would probably have let some signal slip before now, knowing that doing so would likely keep everyone else on the sidelines for fear that they would run.

Coakley's decision to announce yesterday makes me think that she believes that neither Teddy Jr or Vicki will run and that Joe Kennedy is not unbeatable in a primary whether or not he runs.


Reading, Mass.: How is "Venezuelan oil" a problem for Joe Kennedy? You are aware that this oil goes to the poor and needy via Citizens energy. A little context would be nice.

Chris Cillizza: I am aware of that. But, remember that campaigns are largely conducted through 30-second television ads. And those are not exactly heavy on context.

So, we have to deal with the political reality of what Citizens Energy dealing with Venezuela means. That was all I was talking about.


2012: I wonder if Tacoma would really sit on their hands in 2012 if Congress does not pass a health care program Obama wants (and Tacoma likes), even if someone like Sarah Palin is the GOP candidate. That's going to push health care reform forward?

Chris Cillizza: Right. Again, it's easy to say Obama should pass a plan with a public option and that if he doesn't you either won't vote or will vote for the Republican.

But saying and doing are two different things.


Rockville, Md.: Enough votes in the Senate. Only one or two needed by my count. What Democratic senators are on the line?

I suspect the House will be the problem. And lots of stuff can go in the Conference report bill.

Chris Cillizza: Don't think there are enough to get to 60, which is what Democrats need unless they want to try and pass it via reconciliation that requires a simple majority.

Ben Nelson (Neb.), Blanche Lincoln (Ark.), Joe Lieberman (Conn.) have expressed skepticism about a plan with a public option.

Reconciliation is, of course, an option but one with real political consequences if Democrats go that route.


Silver Spring, Md.: If there's no public option I won't be working for Democrats and voting safely third party in 2012 as I did in 2000. I will be third party all the way. We may only be 10% of the Democratic base (far left) but we're pissed. Yes, it's only six months in, but our agenda is being ignored. I was in the minority for ten years, I don't take kindly to being marginalized by my own party.

Chris Cillizza: Thanks for the thought.


Arlington, Va.: The more we hear about Van Jones, the worse it seems to get. Can he weather the storm, or will he become too radioactive for the WH to be associated with?

Chris Cillizza: My guess is that Mr. Jones (Counting Crows reference!) won't survive this. His best ally is the fact that this is Labor Day weekend and most people are either a) on vacation or b) going on vacation.

Side note on "Mr Jones" by the Counting Crows: it is based on "Ballad of a Thin Man" by Bob Dylan. So COOL.


re: but no real health-care reform including a public option and I'll be sitting on my hands come 2012: First, Obama's approval rating among Democrats actually went up in August to 88 percent. Try to go up against that.

Second, it is clear that the far right does not have a monopoly on misinformation about health care reform. The idea that the public option is the most important part of reform, or that no "real" reform will occur without it, is about as big a myth as the "death panels."

Chris Cillizza: Another perspective on public option vs no public option


Richmond, Va.: I am EXTREMELY left-leaning, but I'm realistic and understand the existing establishment Obama has to work within. It's stupid, frankly, to expect him to come in and magically change everything about the world instantly. He has good values and goals, but we all know it will be difficult to make changes and he will not acheive all of them. I will continue to support him. No matter what happens, he has already prevented further downfall in our economy. Before he was elected, many experts were saying we were headed for a depression worse than the Great Depression of 1929. Obama's stimulus plan rescued us, so he can credit himself with essentially saving the world.

Chris Cillizza: Love Richmond. Great city. And, a terrific chic-fil-a just north of city.


re: unpacking: We have always set the six month rule in our household. As long as it isn't something seasonal that would stay in boxes anyway, if we haven't unpacked it in six months we take the box to the nearest Goodwill/Salvation Army drop off.

Chris Cillizza: Good policy. One wonders if Mrs. Fix reads these chats.....


Speaking of "macaca" moments...: ...given that McDonnell was 34 when he wrote his Master's thesis (as opposed to some callow youth of 22), don't you think an awful lot of married Virginia women will take exception to his view of the lower morality of married women who practice birth control? I know I'm deeply offended by his insult to my morals, and I'm guessing that all but the most rabidly religious right-wingers would agree with me.

Chris Cillizza: The Thesis!

My colleague Amy Gardner broke the story of Bob McDonnell's thesis which advocates a strongly socially conservative approach to electoral politics and it has dominated the race since then.

McDonnell, who had been cruising so far in the race, has been on defense every day since the story broke and they have yet to be able to extinguish the fire. (McDonnell's explanation that his views have broadly moderated since the Thesis was written didn't seem to satisfy people.)

The key in deciding whether the Thesis story has badly damaged McDonnell is to look at how he performs in northern Virginia in future polling. To date, McDonnell has been over-performing in NOVA (there are signs near the Fix house that proclaim "Fairfax's own Bob McDonnell) but the voters in this region tend to be socially liberal and could be alienated from McDonnell by this story.


re: Yes, it's only six months in, but our agenda is being ignored: Yes, because we all know that a President is only allowed to do stuff for the first six months of his Administration. After that, all he gets to do is diplomatic stuff.

It's Democrats like these that make me really annoyed to be a Democrat.

Chris Cillizza: Democratic on Democratic action!


Santa Rosa, Calif.: Zowie! Your obvious answers to obvious questions are without peer!

No, really!

And if you'd field one of the tough ones once in a while, maybe the assets of your Fix feature would outweigh its liabilities!

How about it? Are you allowed to cover First Amendment issues, or is that something the Washington Post would rather not talk about?

So I await your response, eagerly, and with a worm on my tongue!

(Baited Breath)

And have a good weekend! :)

Chris Cillizza: Um, was there a question in there?

Also, if there really is a worm on your tongue, I would recommend going to the ER immediately. That can't be good.


Franconia, Va.: Primary challenges to Democrats who don't support public option? What's the announcement speech? "If I had been in Congress, I would have destroyed the Obama presidency by unrealistically voting according to a line in the sand despite simple arithmetic in the Senate. Our wimpy incumbent is sensible and realistic and didn't do the Republicans' dirty work for them by sabotaging the president. So vote for me instead. I am a wing nut."

I think most Democratic voters are still loyal to President Obama, whatever Ezra Klein and others may think. Jeepers.

Chris Cillizza: Great use of the word "jeepers"


Austin, Tex. (NoVA native): Bully for Falls Church. So listen, if Creigh Deeds doesn't get traction with this issue over Bob McDonnell's thesis, is the Va. governor's race a wrap? What's Deeds' Plan B? Does he have one?

Chris Cillizza: A good question.

Deeds had been struggling mightily to find any sort of traction in the race prior to the Thesis. (And, yes, I think it is awesome to capitalize it.)

Deeds' tried to re-launch his campaign with a "major" speech that essentially reiterated all the points he had been making for months. (Deeds admitted as much in an interview after the speech, which was, um, not smart.)

The Thesis has clearly energized Deeds and Democrats and given them a solid attack line against McDonnell who up until now had been very tough to hit.

If the Thesis is not the silver bullet for Deeds, he has to hope that the economy doesn't go any more south (unemployment is at 9.7% it was announced this week) and that the President's approval ratings bounce back a bit.

This race -- unlike New Jersey which is clearly a referendum on Gov. Jon Corzine -- will feel the national winds.


Falls Church, Va.: Howdy neighbor! Are you trying out Starbucks for size? What about Stacy's? I work from home on Fridays in Falls Church and now fear going to Starbucks as I don't want to appear stalker-ish (I'm not! I swear!).. Welcome to the 'hood, such as it is..

Chris Cillizza: If you see me in the Starbucks (or anywhere else in Falls Church) make sure to introduce yourself.

Just not between 11 and noon on Fridays as I can interrupt my chat flow!


DC: Who's in more trouble -- Chris Dodd or Harry Reid? What can they do to improve their re-election chances?

Chris Cillizza: Great question.

I had long thought that Dodd was in worse shape but two recent independent polls -- one by Mason Dixon, the other by Research 2000 -- makes me think I have been underestimating the electoral peril that Reid faces.

In a new Research 2K poll (sponsored by liberal blog Daily Kos), Reid is losing to state Rep. Danny Tarkanian and soon to be former state party chairwoman Sue Lowden.

Not good.

Since no one in the state knows anything about Tarkanian or Lowden, these sort of numbers are rightly understood as evidence of an anyone but Reid sentiment in the Nevada electorate.

As Majority Leader, Reid also has to carry the legislative water of the White House for the next 15 months and, depending on what the Obama Administration decides to push, that could be very problematic for Reid back home.

Dodd, on the other hand, has had a good few months capped by the Senate Ethics Committee finding that he had done nothing wrong in his dealings with the failed mortgage giant Countrywide.

Dodd is far from out of the woods but things are looking slightly better for him. Reid, on the other had, appears to be trending downward.


Greensboro, N.C.: What's going on in the North Carolina Senate Race? Will Richard Burr sail through re-election, or will the Democrats find a credible challenger?

Chris Cillizza: North Carolina is the last major target for Senate Democrats where they have yet to find a serious candidate.

The news, which broke a few weeks ago, that Rep. Bobby Etheridge is thinking about running is a very good development for Democrats.

Etheridge has been elected statewide before (he was elected to eight years as the state's Superintendent of Public Instruction) and has been mentioned as a statewide candidate for years.

If Etheridge runs, this is a very serious race. If he doesn't, it may wind up looking like a big missed opportunity for Democrats.


Hanover, N.H.: One tip, try to get on the good side of Joe Kennedy II's twin sons, Joe III and Matt.

I saw them working and campaigning for Barack Obama and they really have that Kennedy political "it" so it's worth investing your time in them now so you'll get that access later ("Hey, I interviewed you back in the day when nobody cared about you")

Chris Cillizza: Source building! See, people from New Hampshire are always thinking.


the Thesis: Even better to capitalize the "The," too.

Chris Cillizza: The Thesis!


Austin, Tex.: How would you assess Houston Mayor Bill White's chances of picking up the Senate seat out here? What are the key factors, as you see them? I'm guessing John Cornyn will go all out to keep the seat red.

Chris Cillizza: Any Democrat faces a tough road to win statewide in Texas at the moment.

White has the benefit of hailing from one of the state's biggest media markets and having demonstrated that he can raise money.

But, he still has another major Democratic in the field -- former state Comptroller John Sharp -- and, as you mentioned, Texan John Cornyn chairing the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

Make no mistake: Cornyn will spend whatever it takes to keep this seat Republican.


College Park, Md.: What do you like about doing commentary on cable news? What do you not like about it?

Out of Chris Matthews (my bet), Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow, which one is scariest?

Chris Cillizza: I like engaging in spirited conversations with people who dedicate their lives to studying the history, present and future of political debate in this country.

I dislike the shouting elements of cable, a practice which i do everything in my power to not engaged in.

None of that trio is scary!

But, I am in a fantasy football league with Olbermann so he could be potentially frightening depending on how the draft goes.


state Rep. Danny Tarkanian : Is he a "Baby Tark the Shark"?

Chris Cillizza: He is. He is the son of the towel chewer. My guess is that his showing in polls at the moment is inflated because people in Nevada think he is his dad.


Falls Church formerly Sommerville, Mass.: As someone who grew up in MA and voted in both Brookline (yes, for Barney) and Sommerville (yes, for Joe Jr), let me just share that the younger Kennedys are not held in the same high regard as the older generation. Everyone in Joe Jr's and Patrick's district remembers the Kennedys' ability to outspend everyone else, which was a factor in them winning. That said, as recently as a generation ago ANYONE with an Irish last name was a vote getter in the Boston area. And it's true - all longtime residents in MA know someone who has some personal contact with Teddy.

Chris Cillizza: Falls Church out in force today!

And, I think that if Joe Kennedy II does run, it will test just how strong the Kennedy political legacy remains in the Bay State.


Washigton, D.C.: What's the word on Mike Castle? Does he jump into the Senate race? Being a part of the minority party in the House can't be much fun. Am I right to think that the longer he waits to announce a decision, the less likely he is to challenge Beau Biden?

Chris Cillizza: Huge question mark.

I have heard conflicting things on Castle's intentions although my reporting seems to suggest he will either run for Senate or retire from the House.

If he does run statewide, Delaware will be a TERRIFIC Senate race in 2010 as Castle is probably the only Republican who could get elected against Beau Biden.


In the interests of equal time: Who's the scariest, Limbaugh, Beck or O'Reilly?

Chris Cillizza: Don't really know them.

El Rushbo always gets back to me when I email him looking for a quote on a story I am working on though!


Evanston, Ill.: Does the Fix have the fix on any college football games this weekend?

Chris Cillizza: The Fix will be spending his entire weekend shepherding Fix Jr around the DC Metro area as Mrs. Fix's Catholic University Cardinals open the 2009 field hockey season.

A prediction? CUA Field Hockey celebrates Labor Day at 2-0, having beaten McDaniel on the road on Saturday and Randolph Macon at home on Sunday.

Book it!


Chris Cillizza: Folks,

The pumpkin spice latte has been consumed, the blueberry oat bar is in the gullet and the dentist's office (ugh!) beckons.

That's it for me today. Didn't get your question answered? There's always next Friday. Same time, same channel!

Have a great Labor Day and remember: the Fix is BACK on Tuesday!


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"One method Cao liked for lowering costs is to remove the state line barriers for buying insurance. This would dramatically increase competition."

*No.* You don't know much about state regulatory frameworks, do you? What happens when you remove state barriers is that all corporations in a particular industry move their headquarters to the state with the the lowest consumer protection. Like Delaware and credit cards, but if you don't know the financial industry, you don't know this. Trust me, I do.

You don't have any idea what you are talking about. Competition is not even part of the discussion. It's about creating the most favorable operating environment for corporations, it has freaking nothing to do with consumers. If you want to remove state barriers fine, but first then you need to create a basic federal regulatory framework that doesn't allow states to create an environment that encourages rogue corporations to operate freely.

Posted by: drindl | September 8, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

In America there are no second-class citizens. Not a true statement!

Posted by: usadblake | September 7, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

in America there are no second-class citizens.

Does Health Care define social class?

Posted by: usadblake | September 7, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

in America there are no second-class citizens

Does Health Care define social class?


Posted by: usadblake | September 7, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Mr. Cillizza returns with an Obamacare "Do or Die" scenario for Democrats, GOP Resurgence, or something about Van Jones resigning but Glen Beck remaining. That would make drindl's head explode.

Posted by: JakeD | September 7, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Not even one year in, and already longing for an idealized President, played by Martin Sheen? LOL!!! That didn't happen until Clinton's SECOND term. You libs are toast.

Posted by: JakeD | September 7, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Thought-provoking and tough-minded take on the state of O-Nation from today.


"Obama and Democrats need to wake up. The GOP mob rule thuggery machine, led by the likes of crybabies Beck and Limbaugh, does not care about the validity of their outrageous, racist claims that are simply the means to political ends. GOP lawmakers have done their best to validate the Beckist lies, fully knowing they are lies but refusing to back down until someone, like Mike Stark, or some reporter paint them into a corner. What the birthers, deathers, teabaggers, right-wing extremists are doing is tossing as much mud at Democrats, Obama and our policy initiatives as they can in order to draw the big picture of negative perceptions associated with Democratic policies and Democrats so they can win the midterms. Beckism is not about even winning a round, whether it is Van Jones, health care or climate change. Actually winning is gravy for Beckism's goal is GOP midterm success. This is the same "angry white man" strategy used against Clinton and it yielded one of the two times that the GOP creamed the Democrats in the midterms over the past 6 decades."!-

Many feel it's time for Leo McGarry (Rahm? Garrett? Axelrod? Michelle Lavaughan?) to step in and tell Josiah Bartlett (BHO) to "let Bartlett be Bartlett, win or lose." When you have to pushout an environmental icon (Van Jones) because of Glenn Beck's bigoted rants, when you can't successfully pushback against the phoniest of fake controversies like the upcoming speech to kiddies, and you can't ram through a health care bill despite 59 votes in the Senate, some would say, there's a problem here. Have a Bartlett staff retreat where each attendee says, "I serve at the pleasure of the President," walk through the BHO campaign promises (get out of Iraq/Afghanistan, health care, eliminating the politics of division and diversion, etc.)--and then go for it, win or lose." Like Bartlett would have done.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 7, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, you would expect Palin to say stupid things like this. After all, here's someone who couldn't even successfully complete high school.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 6, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

That's pretty nuts about the Senators and Sotomayor.

As for Van Jones, I suppose that is what happens when you have a manistream media that is overwhelmingly right wing. Jones blamed Bush for the 9/11 attacks which is pretty in the pale. I won't disagree with that. However, how many current members of Congress believe that Obama wasn't born in the US? That's pretty nasty too. The press is just not going to give much voice to those charges. Beck and Limbaugh rule the waves and the rest of the press just follows suit.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 6, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Thermonuclear processes occur in the core, but the surface is only at electromagnetic temperatures. An H-bomb would be more like a stick of dynamite in a hurricane, but it wouldn't do a lot.

Palin's nonsense about nuking the sun may very well be as scientifically illiterate as it sounds, hardly surprising given the source, but more likely it's stupid trolling sarcasm based on the real belief by global warming deniers that the heating of the earth is attributable to changes in insolation.

As if nobody would notice that, with the sun being observed and measured for hundreds and hundreds of years.

As if life could have evolved here with serious variation in solar output.

She's just a damned idiot!

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 6, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 6, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"Some senators wouldn't let Judge Sonia even physically enter their offices"


Posted by: DDAWD | September 6, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Now who sounds "desparate" and "unhinged"?

Posted by: JakeD | September 6, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Urgent Call to Action Today From Journalist Keith Olbermann (on DailyKos)

"Send Me Everything You Can Find About Glenn Beck
by Keith Olbermann
Sun Sep 06, 2009 at 10:14:03 AM PDT
I don't know why I've got this phrasing in my head, but: Find everything you can about Glenn Beck, Stu Burguiere, and Roger Ailes.

* * * * *

Tuesday we will expand this to the television audience and have a dedicated email address to accept leads, tips, contacts, on Beck, his radio producer Burguiere, and the chief of his tv enablers, Ailes (even though Ailes' power was desperately undercut when he failed to pull off his phony "truce" push).

This becomes necessary after this in order to prove various cliches about goose and gander, and to remind everybody to walk softly and carry a big popsicle, and most particularly to save this nation from the Oligarhy of The Stupid.

I keep wondering if somewhere somebody named Ollie Garhey thinks he's in charge now. Or, even more entertainingly and societally satisfying, if somebody named Ali Garhi does.

Despite the worn-out snark above, I am in earnest here."

Tuesday's "Countdown with KO" should be interesting...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 6, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Anthony "Van" Jones. RIP

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 6, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The HuffPo story on the resignation of Van Jones as BHO's green job czar has attracted almost 9000 comments (only Palin stories hit those kind of numbers on that site).

Many of the comments protest the push-out of Mr. Jones. Ironically, despite the loss of all of Beck's bluechip sponsors (50 or so) due to the successful colorofchange-led boycott, Fox continues to provide a platform for Beck's bigotry and hate messages.

Help eliminate hate from the airwaves by supporting the Beck boycott. See for contact information.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 6, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

As for the "recent Marist poll" please research Obama's chances on September 6, 2005. He didn't even register single digits.

Posted by: JakeD | September 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Van Jones resigns, but Glen Beck remains.

Posted by: JakeD | September 6, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

HuffPo's report on the sad news of Van Jones's resignation:

BHO will be reelected in 2012. Palin is the only high profile player on the other team with a prayer. But the recent Marist poll said she would lose by 23 points to him if the race were held today (no one outside Beck World and this space is chanting "Palin in 2012").

The only real issue is whether BHO will be able to enact his agenda, health care, etc.

Bipartisanism has collapsed: ever since the stimulus package debate, the other team made clear they would not vote for any BHO idea because, as Rush put it, they want him "to fail." Post-racial? Gimme a break. Some senators wouldn't let Judge Sonia even physically enter their offices (unreported by the MSM), much less meet with, the Wisest Latina, and the rightwing of the GOP has put out a desperate Jack London-like national call for a "Great White Hope." They're openly screaming for Jim Jeffries and Jess Willard?

The Auguts recess is over. BHO's needs to end the "Jackie Robinson" phase, and hit back. Push through the health care bill through reconciliation; implement the nuclear option to go back to majority vote (so the people's reps can vote on all BHO's stuff), and, for goodness sake, bring back the Fairness Doctrine (or its functional equivalent). BHO cannot keep allowing corporate interests to sponsor 24/7 political ads against him--Rush, Beck, Hannity, Maglagang, etc.

Van Jones isn't BHO's problem (Van was a BHO hero which is why they targeted him); it's whoever's telling BHO not to punch back, not to move forward with the agenda he promised in the campaign.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 6, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

News worse than night:

Van Jones, BHO's Green Jobs czar, environmental movement icon, and O-Nation hero, has resigned, a victim of Glenn Beck's bigoted rants and hate broadcasting. Stay strong, Van. Your efforts on behalf of the people will be remembered.

Let's hope just BHO continues to stand behind Mark Lloyd, the FCC's diversity officer, who is also a target of hate broadcasting. Reason: Mr. Lloyd is trying to rid the airwaves of hate and bigotry using the existing "public interest" and "localism" requirements that stations must legally meet. Stay strong, Mark! And PLEASE support Mr. Lloyd's efforts.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 6, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. Gov. Palin has never advocated such a silly thing.

Posted by: JakeD | September 6, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Technically, the sun IS a nuke. At least the largest reactor within a few parsecs. A teeny weeny H-bomb would be like a sneeze in a hurricane.


Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | September 6, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Like I said, Rep. Cao (R-LA) will win next year.

Posted by: JakeD | September 5, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

""He is against subsidies for purchasing private insurance." Well, if he is going to mandate everyone purchasing it, what if people can't afford it? Unless something changes, many in the middle class as well as the poor can't afford, even if they are healthy."

Well, there was one woman who said she was against subsidies for private insurance and Cao said he agrees. She wasn't against subsidies, but they should be used only for public insurance since taxpayer money shouldn't be going to insurance companies.

As for individual mandate. I'm not exactly sure what he means by that. I don't think he means each person purchases it on his own. I think he just means that everyone has to have it whether its through work or some other means.

I wanted to ask him about co-ops, but my question didn't get selected, so it didn't get answered. I'm not sure if he has an actual hashed out plan or a bill or if he just has some things he'd like to see. I think it's the latter, though.

As for a blanket dismissal, I think the Dems will listen to Republican ideas, but I don't think they will accept a fully formed Republican bill. It's bad politics.

Some other things...

It's important to Cao that the bill be deficit neutral. Obama promised not to sign a bill that isn't.

One method Cao liked for lowering costs is to remove the state line barriers for buying insurance. This would dramatically increase competition. He also mentioned an insurance exchange program. Basically, it would be travelocity for insurance. You enter in what you want and the computer finds the best price.

And yeah, he's very reasonable. In fact, a few people there were saying that he should switch parties. I think Republicans bend over backwards far too much in support of businesses, but I think it's dangerous to go in the opposite extreme as well. Despite being very blue, Cao's district is one that is very cognizant of the impact of small businesses and his stances seem to reflect that. However, he does realize that the impact on businesses is just one aspect of anything he looks at. I'm wondering if abortion is the major reason he's a Republican. I was pretty surprised to hear him say that taxes should be raised on the middle class (as well as the upper) Not even Obama will go that far. But I think this is a reflection of Cao knowing that he's a longshot to keep his seat. But that tax stance is completely antithetical to the mainstream Republican position on taxation.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 5, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Nope, not true.

Posted by: JakeD | September 5, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Is this true, I'm at Sarah Palin's facebook site and it say's her solution to Global Warming is to Nuke the sun....

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | September 5, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse


"He is against subsidies for purchasing private insurance." Well, if he is going to mandate everyone purchasing it, what if people can't afford it? Unless something changes, many in the middle class as well as the poor can't afford, even if they are healthy.

Which brings us the next point -- what if they are not? And this is a huge contingent of the middle-aged. Are these poiicies supposed to be purchased individually, if one doesn't have employer provided? Some people can't give one at any cost. Will his plan mandate that insurers cover people with pre-existing conditions, at reasonable rates? Or regulate them so that they cna't drop people when they get sick?

What about organizing risk pools, rather than buying individually? I don't know if he mentioned any of these, but any solution is not really one at all unless it addresses them

Also, I don't know that there would be a blanket dismissal of a Republican option, but I have yet to see one that is anythng more than tax cuts and dregulation of the industry, which is more of a campaign finance than health plan.

He sounds reasonable enough, though.

Posted by: drindl | September 5, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Thanx, ddawd. Sometimes I remember why I ck in here. Your post was welcome.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | September 5, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, came back from Congressman Cao's town hall a few hours ago. He's about as liberal of a Republican as you can find nowdays. The hall itself was very civil. Not subdued, but people were respectful. No shouters or anything, albeit pretty much everyone there was on the same side.

Public option: He's not categorically opposed to it and willing to be the only Republican in DC who votes for a plan containing one. However, he doesn't consider a public option a panacea and wanted to make that clear. His concerns were the effect on Medicare which Obama said would have to take a cut to pay for the PO. He was also concerned about the effects it would have on small businesses which may have to lay off employees. Valid concerns, in my opinion. He considers a public option one method to achieving the goal of universal health care, but not the only means.

To him, the best plan is an individual mandate for everyone to have health insurance. And taxes need to be raised to pay for it. Middle class as well as upper class. However, he realizes the political liability for suggesting tax increases. The poor should receive assistance in purchasing insurance.

He is against subsidies for purchasing private insurance. (given his stance of providing subsidies for the destitute, I'm not sure how this squares with the possibility of not having a PO)

His rationale for voting against the stimulus - it was a bad deal for his district, which was set to receive the least amount of money. He wants to support the President, but not at a cost to his constituents.

He took a similar position on cap and trade and how he couldn't understand Democrats from the south who would vote for it at a cost to jobs in their districts in favor of green ready states such as California, Washington, and NJ. He voted against it because it would be a hard hit to the oil industry in Louisiana. I disagree with the position, but understand and respect it. He used this to set up a point that he isn't going to follow lock step with the Republican leadership if it will hurt his district.

Made sure to note that Republicans are generally in favor of universal health care, even if not necessarily through the public option. He mentioned a plan that was out there, but would likely be ignored since Democrats aren't going to look at a Republican plan. Works both ways, but it's definitely true.


Posted by: DDAWD | September 5, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse


Was critical of Republicans for being obstructionist, but noted that's how the game works. The minority party doesn't benefit from helping the majority.

VERY staunch position on restricting the use of public money for abortions. He didn't seem to have many deal breakers, but this seemed to be the one.

said "There are no death panels" very directly. Said a lot of what has been said about the President was ridiculous.

Also said the criticism surrounding the speech to school kids outrageous.

It seemed to go over well. Cao is a Republican, but he knows what his constituents want. He knows he is a long shot to even keep his seat, so he's happy to be sort of a maverick. (yes, you had to hear that word again). He even seemed to win a few converts. One man said that he voted for a Republican only twice in his life (both times against William Jefferson), but would be happy to vote for Cao next year even against a non-Jefferson.

Just thought I'd share.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

If the LONG FORM birth certificate doesn't exist, why not, and then what "original vital records" did Dr. Chiyome Fukino look at?

Posted by: JakeD | September 5, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

We'll let you break the story. Word is: BHO's "Long Form Certificate," which Hawaii and the entire Western world say doesn't exist in the first place (but what do they know?), is in a box marked "Snipes Inside" in the alley behind the Apollo Theatre in Harlem, NY. Some neighborhood folks there will be expecting you. Good luck.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse


How exactly are you going to "knock down" the fact that Obama's LONG FORM birth certificate has not been released?

Posted by: JakeD | September 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The vacation did CC good.

I liked and agreed with his take on the VA governor's race and on whether BHO will be "primaried." I don't think the VA polls are picking up the mood of Northern Virginia at all, post McDonnell Thesis. One recent "poll" said, with a straight face, 40% of blacks support George ("Macaca") Allen--yeah, right, and 40% of folks in midtown Manhattan support Pat Buchanan.

AND CC cited, gulp...the Daily Kos poll (although characterizing it as a "liberal" poll--okay as long as you say Rasmussen is a "rightwing" poll when you cite IT). Perhaps the Drudge-lite (Palin in 2012)period is officially over. Hoo-ray.

I'd love for CC, in memory of Kate Graham, to do a short piece on the MSM's responsibility to start knocking down all these distracting fake media "controversies" intended to obstruct BHO's agenda, e.g., Skip Gates's arrest, teabaggers, Town Hall thugs, secessionists, birthers, Palin blatherings, Van Jones, etc. BTW, re Van Jones, of what relevance to anything are the pre-appointment musings of a subterranean-level BHO appointee with no authority and no access to 44? Is this Reverend Wright, Part Deux? When does it end?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 5, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I have not been around much lately but I expect that JakeD will irritate me with his inane banter and I'll be banned as well.


Need to add: I answered your question in a post where you referred to the racist troll but we have a little pact going on here that almost all of us are in on, we don't answer him AND we don't refer to him.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 4, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

For new Lurkers since 8/17/09:

"Yesterday, after consultation with our editor, we took the unfortunate step of banning a commenter on the Fix due to a series of remarks that violated our previous warning to avoid engaging in personal attacks against other posters.

This is not something we wanted to do or enjoyed doing but, as we have said repeatedly, we are committed to making the Fix a thriving online community. Those who name-call and otherwise slander other commenters are not the sort of citizens we want in the Fix community."

Hopefully, upon his return Tuesday, Mr. Cillizza takes care of "GoldAndTanzanite" (again).

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse


Sadly ironic, ain't it, that his complaint against me is for being too "nasty and vicious"?

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

It was actually "racist swine" (repeatedly) among other libelous clurs.

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

What I want to know is how JakeD knows that chrisfox8 has been banned from this site? I have not been around much lately but I expect that JakeD will irritate me with his inane banter and I'll be banned as well.


You should get out your journal or maybe even call the Guinness Book of Records because this is the only instance you will ever find where he isn't telling a lie. ChrisC banned me for calling JakeD a racist.

Nobody gets banned for actually being one.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 4, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

What I want to know is how JakeD knows that chrisfox8 has been banned from this site? I have not been around much lately but I expect that JakeD will irritate me with his inane banter and I'll be banned as well.

Posted by: Gator-ron | September 4, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"Here's an easy way to rid yourself of excess stuff. Move overseas. A few years later, move back. You'd be surprised how much of your life can fit into two suitcases."

I think I can fit everything I own into a sedan. I was able to when I moved to where I am now. I haven't really bought anything large since then.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 4, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's an easy way to rid yourself of excess stuff. Move overseas. A few years later, move back. You'd be surprised how much of your life can fit into two suitcases.


Last January I was ready to bail the USA right now. I sold most of my furniture, all my warm clothing, gave away every blanket but one to the homeless guys I help out in Seattle, leaving only birds, books, and music. That's still a hell of a lot. Sold over a thousand CDs.

The move is still on for a few years hence, but I have no plans to ever come back. I expect to get old and die in Việt Nam, so someone in the future is going to get *quite* a physics library.

I hate moving.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

>>Here's an easy way to rid yourself of excess stuff. Move overseas. A few years later, move back.

I personally despise moving. I would prefer after this next one I never have to move again. Except I likely will given the nature of my job.

I doubt it would help. It does keep you from being able to move those pesky fridges and ovens as well as couches though!

Posted by: mtcooley | September 4, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndTanzanite : You are feeding the troll.


That was one post that's been struggling to get out lately. Consider it a one-off, a sputtering candle compared to BWJ's seven-course meal for the SOB.

I've been fortunate lately to have run into some really nice and decent people .. kind and humanitarian souls who make me a little ashamed of my own aloofness and isolation (I've also run into a few awesomely nasty types, like the guys in my gym who refuse to dry off over the drains but carry their dripping torsos into the locker area where people are putting on their clean socks). I've been trying to understand just what the good Christ could motivate someone like the troll, how twisted and sick and wrong someone has to be to get enjoyment out of what he does. Honestly, I don't get it.

I mean, there are plenty of people I absolutely despise, I've pretty much written out anyone still a Republican since 2004 from the human race, they're people so bent and wrong that I can't get inside their heads at all. I'm a hater extraordinaire .. but even given that I don't have the smallest shred of what motivates the JakeDs of the world, that desire to hurt, that desire to make trouble. It's really quite the dilemma for me.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 4, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Here's an easy way to rid yourself of excess stuff. Move overseas. A few years later, move back. You'd be surprised how much of your life can fit into two suitcases.


Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | September 4, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndTanzanite : You are feeding the troll.

It was much more fun watching him being reduced to verbal battles with just scrivener50

Posted by: JRM2 | September 4, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I've lived in my house since 1992 and I still have boxed yet to unpack.

Some of them are from TWO MOVED BEFORE.

Christmas is optimistic, Mr. C, unless you have a lot LOT fewer books than I do.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 4, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually Limbaugh responding doesn't surprise me. Even if I don't agree with him he does come off somewhat professional as does Reilly. I'd have hedged my money on Beck being the worst of the three just for the way he handles himself on air.

This was a good session I think. Lots of neat questions, but I could have done without the moving. I'm going to dread when I have to do it again sometime late next year when I move back to Australia. If you think worrying about unpacking boxes by Christmas is bad I'm halfway tempted not to take anything but the clothes in my closet.

Posted by: mtcooley | September 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse


Keep in mind that "GoldAndTanzanite" was already banned at least once as "chrisfox8" for his repeated name-calling. Sadly ironic, ain't it?

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

CC: This place has been a real mess without you. Not that you did much to keep this place tidy, but without daily or thrice-daily posts, we have been at the mercy of each other's topics, rather than Fix Picks.

You can start unpacking those boxes, but not until you have posted the Morning Fix and at least one other interesting topic each day.

Our long national nightmare is over. See you Tuesday.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | September 4, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! I'm nasty and vicious but your repeated name-calling like "racist swine" is not?!

(broadwayjoe, note the QUESTION MARK, I am not admitting that I am actually nasty and vicious ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Who is paying JakeD?

He's here 24/7.


Nobody's paying him. He's one of those sickos who gets some perverse satisfaction out of bothering people. He's here 24/7 because he wants attention.

I doubt he's really in the AIP, he just says that to get attention.

I doubt he actually cares about abortion, he just posts about it to get attention.

I doubt he really cares that much about Sarah Palin or GWB, he just posts about them to get attention.

It's all about getting attention.

The part I don't understand is the malevolence .. the over-the-top sarcasm and nastiness and viciousness and bitterness.

Which makes it just especially comical that he would have us believe he leads a happy life, or that somewhere out there is a woman who would want to live with someone so twisted with hate.

But no, the satisfaction he gets out of being a nuisance is the only coin he seeks.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 4, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

re: boxes. That was me. Chris is a sucker for anything that's about HIM. Coffee shops, field hockey, etc. Predictable.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | September 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes, God forbid that journalists actually seek comment about a story they are doing on Ruch Limbaugh from the target himself. LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"El Rushbo always gets back to me when I email him looking for a quote on a story I am working on though!"

And there's your librul media, folks.

Posted by: drindl | September 4, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Scriver -- he's just another one of those losers with no life. if he had one, he wouldn't be here every minute of the day. Some hateful old codger with no friends -- and it's very clear why.

Posted by: drindl | September 4, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Re: Obama facing a primary opponent in 2012, Mr. Cillizza says "It's inconceivable!" You keep using that word -- I do not think it means what you think it means -- love how you use two examples of actual primary opponents (albeit unsuccessful) to try to disprove. If you thought dropping the "public option" got the looney left riled up, just wait until GTMO isn't closed in January.

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's another vote for Stacy's Coffee Parlor in Falls Church if you're looking for an alternative to Starbucks.

Posted by: ericp331 | September 4, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm retired, and no one is paying me to post here. I also golf and sail when I get the chance, so I am not even here 24/7. End of (off-topic) discussion.

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

CC - If you're where I think you are, definitely check out the Original Pancake House. Also, you're a short distance away from a great place for spices - Penzeys.


Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | September 4, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Who is paying JakeD?

He's here 24/7.


Posted by: scrivener50 | September 4, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the transcript! My question about the political backlash from Obama's address Tuesday to American schoochildren [SIC] was not selected. While the TEXT of pResident Obama's address is allegedly about learning, staying in school and taking personal responsibility, the clear SUB-text -- including the recommended course outline, aimed at students is explictly "what they can do to help" Obama politically -- is what I wanted Mr. Cillizza to address. My hypothetical, below, addresses the potential for abuse:

"At 12:00 p.m., Eastern Time (ET), October 2, 2002, President George W. Bush will deliver a national address to the students of America. (Please note that this is a change from the originally scheduled time)

During this special address, the President will speak directly to the nation’s children and youth about the threat Saddam Hussein poses to each of them even as they sleep in their beds at night. The President will challenge students to urge their parents contact Congress and pass H.J. Res. 114, the authorization for the President to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

If you want your child to opt out, we will take their names down and send them to another room where they will be laughed at and subjected to stealth directed energy weapons for the duration of the message."

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

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